g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-April.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 1 00:39:17 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:39:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. In-Reply-To: <20070331204016.47343.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 21:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. ESL has every right to charge what they think is appropriate.....and the market foces will eventually force thwm out of business.....a la Enron etc.... [Nelson] LOL! I seem to recall someone making the same argument about ESL in this forum about 8-10 years ago but they're still going strong so Jeff must be doing something right! <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 00:30:53 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:30:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes In-Reply-To: <757619.54589.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 1 01:08:38 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. In-Reply-To: <20070331204016.47343.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <531669.51973.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: You almost forgot that you own a FERRARI of CASSETTE DECKS as well !! In this case you own a 1000ZXL which should quality as a FERRARI ENZO of CASSETTE DECKS unless you don't agree on this !!! I believe that a lot of this forum's members will agree on this as well. At the same time, a 1000ZXL is not an ordinary Nak and it is very complex plus requirement of special alignment tool to keep it in spec. Not a lot of people have the kinds of equipment that ESL have to do the right job. If I were Jeff and I have all his special skill as well as parts and equipment I will charge the same as he did. Of course you decide whether you want my service or not because this is your MONEY. WITH ALL RESPECT let's go back to enjoy our beloved NAK DECKS because I kniow what I will do when I find my beloved 1000ZXL one day. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: An Enzo costs $500000 . Thats half a million dollars....or more depending on the other selected options. If I owned a Ferrari Enzo, I would not flinch an eyelid on a $6000 brake pads. A Nak zxl costs $1000-1500 used. I can understand another $1500 to repair to factory specs. Not three times the price. thats akin to Ferrari charging a million dollars to bring it upto specs... So there you go. I have refuted this argument. ESL has every right to charge what they think is appropriate.....and the market foces will eventually force thwm out of business.....a la Enron etc.... Charging a premium is one thing. Gouging the public is another. I can unsrstand a labor rate of $100 per hour. Not $500 per hour. Hmmmm...thats my humble opinion anyway. Ram Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } As I see it, market forces will decide. If ESL is too expensive, they will get no work and will lower prices or go out of business. If people are willing to pay that amount, then he has every right to charge it. Ferrari charge $6000 for a set of brake pads on an Enzo – I am sure they don’t cost that much to produce. At least with a Nak, you can choose not to send it to ESL, but I am not sure if there are third party brake pads for an Enzo Regards... Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: March 31, 2007 11:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra, I only voiced my opinion. I did not intend starting a war of words here. Thanks and I reiterate that one affords logically what one wants to afford. Its a perception thing and we all have perceived values of things material and immaterial. We all understand that people are in business to make a living. I do too. There is reasonability and then there is gouging. I immensely respect ESLs ability to repair/ refurbish Naks. But guys! An open heart surgery reimburses a doctor today for less than $4000 in many insurance plans.$3500-$4500 for a cassette deck! You bet thats a lot of perception distortion here. I guess thats whats free market is all about. Jeff is only doing what the market in his opinion wants.....or not! Time will tell the truth. We shall all witness that sooner rather than later. Pour your guts out folks. PLease! I am in a mood for it this afternoon! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carla at bratgrrl.com Sun Apr 1 02:21:50 2007 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:21:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes In-Reply-To: <008901c773b8$8ba01790$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com> <008901c773b8$8ba01790$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <200703311721.50073.carla@bratgrrl.com> I got the tape cover off OK, and I don't see anything obvious like mangled tape. I found and downloaded a service manual, so I'll be taking it apart and see what happens next. It's a great tape deck- can't just throw it away without trying. On Saturday 31 March 2007 10:18, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: > Carla > > It is probably stuck because of tape wound round the right capstan shaft. > If U slide off the cover [4 prongs] upwards U should be able to see into > the compartment & confirm this. > > Judicious careful prodding witha very small jewellers screwdriver through > the slot in the tape outer casing should enable U to [eventually] unspool > the tape [probably in small bits] to free the tape & allow the eject to > work again. > > To rectify a reoccurrence U need to clean the capstan shafts, pinch rollers > etc with the appropriate cleaners/reconditioners to restore grip. > > If this doesn't work then repeat before assuming it needs new parts as the > build up of contaminants to good running has taken 'n' years so... > > Let me know if U succeed > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carla Schroder" > To: "naktalk" > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:56 PM > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes > > >I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: > > > > 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work > > 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. > > > > When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, the > > Stop > > button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been > > having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd like > > to > > fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, but > > I > > haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken > > the cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) > > > > thanks, > > Carla > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Carla Schroder > > Linux geek and random computer tamer > > check out my Linux Cookbook! > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ > > best book for sysadmins and power users > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > >= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > >= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > >= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > > 30/03/2007 13:15 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder Linux geek and random computer tamer check out my Linux Cookbook! http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ best book for sysadmins and power users ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 03:13:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. In-Reply-To: <531669.51973.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070401011334.31604.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: You almost forgot that you own a FERRARI of CASSETTE DECKS as well !! In this case you own a 1000ZXL which should quality as a FERRARI ENZO of CASSETTE DECKS unless you don't agree on this !!! I believe that a lot of this forum's members will agree on this as well. At the same time, a 1000ZXL is not an ordinary Nak and it is very complex plus requirement of special alignment tool to keep it in spec. Not a lot of people have the kinds of equipment that ESL have to do the right job. If I were Jeff and I have all his special skill as well as parts and equipment I will charge the same as he did. Of course you decide whether you want my service or not because this is your MONEY. WITH ALL RESPECT let's go back to enjoy our beloved NAK DECKS because I kniow what I will do when I find my beloved 1000ZXL one day. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: An Enzo costs $500000 . Thats half a million dollars....or more depending on the other selected options. If I owned a Ferrari Enzo, I would not flinch an eyelid on a $6000 brake pads. A Nak zxl costs $1000-1500 used. I can understand another $1500 to repair to factory specs. Not three times the price. thats akin to Ferrari charging a million dollars to bring it upto specs... So there you go. I have refuted this argument. ESL has every right to charge what they think is appropriate.....and the market foces will eventually force thwm out of business.....a la Enron etc.... Charging a premium is one thing. Gouging the public is another. I can unsrstand a labor rate of $100 per hour. Not $500 per hour. Hmmmm...thats my humble opinion anyway. Ram Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } As I see it, market forces will decide. If ESL is too expensive, they will get no work and will lower prices or go out of business. If people are willing to pay that amount, then he has every right to charge it. Ferrari charge $6000 for a set of brake pads on an Enzo – I am sure they don’t cost that much to produce. At least with a Nak, you can choose not to send it to ESL, but I am not sure if there are third party brake pads for an Enzo Regards... Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: March 31, 2007 11:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra, I only voiced my opinion. I did not intend starting a war of words here. Thanks and I reiterate that one affords logically what one wants to afford. Its a perception thing and we all have perceived values of things material and immaterial. We all understand that people are in business to make a living. I do too. There is reasonability and then there is gouging. I immensely respect ESLs ability to repair/ refurbish Naks. But guys! An open heart surgery reimburses a doctor today for less than $4000 in many insurance plans.$3500-$4500 for a cassette deck! You bet thats a lot of perception distortion here. I guess thats whats free market is all about. Jeff is only doing what the market in his opinion wants.....or not! Time will tell the truth. We shall all witness that sooner rather than later. Pour your guts out folks. PLease! I am in a mood for it this afternoon! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sun Apr 1 05:41:48 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:41:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice Message-ID: My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I'm an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 1 06:09:15 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:09:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070401040914.MGMD24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> > PLC? I did PLC design work for close to 20 years. As far as the Tech, I too will ask someone on this site about a simple cleaning and calibration on my lovely Dragon. Before I spend $1500- $2000 for a Dragon rebuild, I'd buy a nice new digital recorder. Or two or three working Dragons. >That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a >problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech >did (I'm an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels >most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent >question that could have been much better handled from a >"proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly >because I was very surprised... > >But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very >unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. > >Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about >that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... > >I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever >doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL > >Rick >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 1 10:12:18 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:12:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes References: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com><008901c773b8$8ba01790$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <200703311721.50073.carla@bratgrrl.com> Message-ID: <001b01c77435$7729df30$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Carla You probably wouldn't see mangled tape. The tape would be tightly wound around the right capstan shaft preventing it from exiting the corresponding matching hole in the cassette body due to its increased circumference. Shine a torch at it & see if it is shiny brown instead of grey metallic in this hole. If U cannot then I was mistaken & problem is elsewhere. The dirty capstan shafts & pinchrollers allied to a failing idler tyre would all have contributed to the problems creation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Schroder" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes >I got the tape cover off OK, and I don't see anything obvious like mangled > tape. I found and downloaded a service manual, so I'll be taking it apart > and > see what happens next. It's a great tape deck- can't just throw it away > without trying. > > On Saturday 31 March 2007 10:18, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: >> Carla >> >> It is probably stuck because of tape wound round the right capstan shaft. >> If U slide off the cover [4 prongs] upwards U should be able to see into >> the compartment & confirm this. >> >> Judicious careful prodding witha very small jewellers screwdriver through >> the slot in the tape outer casing should enable U to [eventually] unspool >> the tape [probably in small bits] to free the tape & allow the eject to >> work again. >> >> To rectify a reoccurrence U need to clean the capstan shafts, pinch >> rollers >> etc with the appropriate cleaners/reconditioners to restore grip. >> >> If this doesn't work then repeat before assuming it needs new parts as >> the >> build up of contaminants to good running has taken 'n' years so... >> >> Let me know if U succeed >> >> Dave >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carla Schroder" >> To: "naktalk" >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:56 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes >> >> >I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: >> > >> > 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work >> > 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. >> > >> > When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, >> > the >> > Stop >> > button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been >> > having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd >> > like >> > to >> > fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, >> > but >> > I >> > haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken >> > the cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) >> > >> > thanks, >> > Carla >> > -- >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > Carla Schroder >> > Linux geek and random computer tamer >> > check out my Linux Cookbook! >> > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ >> > best book for sysadmins and power users >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> >= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> >= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> >= >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: >> > 30/03/2007 13:15 >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder > Linux geek and random computer tamer > check out my Linux Cookbook! > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ > best book for sysadmins and power users > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 13:15 > > From manunta at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 10:33:52 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:33:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ferraris and vintage Message-ID: Hi to everybody, provided this is not an e-mail to advocate the reasons of anybody, I'd like to share my thoughts about refurbishing vintage equipment, being they decks, cars or motorcycles. I know of bikes lovers who buy an old Norton for a bunch of Euros and then spend twice as much the paid to get that old piece of metal to totally restore it. I know of very rare spare parts which are sold for a price which would buy a whole new bike... Passion has no price. Regarding the insanity of people who are willing to spend so much money for a game (isn't this a game for grown-up children, after all?), I suspend my judgement because it not my own business. But I also know it's quite normal to buy an old Jaguar for, say, 2.000 Euros and then to spend 5.000 Euros to refurbish chassis, engine and interiors. My sister owns an old Fiat 500 which isn't worth the cost of its insurance: it often dies in the middle of the road, the brakes are almost non-existent, it barely run at 80km/h... Despite this, she continuously gets offers to sell the 500 for more than 1.000 Euros... Who has money is also free to spend them in the way she/he likes more... And, after all, the value of a piece of equipment in nothing if it doesn't work, and the value of a spare part to make it work is the same of the whole unit when it works properly... Enjoy (all together)! Marco Manunta www.m2tech.biz _________________________________________________________________ Hai sempre tutte le risposte? Sfida gli amici con Duel Live! http://specials.it.msn.com/DuelLive.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 12:38:44 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: <20070401040914.MGMD24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <626534.27115.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All right. Thats exactly what I said about the 1000ZXL repair. ESL is slowly killing itself with outrageousness. By the way I did acquire another 1000zxl. Now I can restore myself, cannibalising and/or having Tom fix it for a reasonable fee. Case closed on ESL. Ram Roland wrote: > PLC? I did PLC design work for close to 20 years. As far as the Tech, I too will ask someone on this site about a simple cleaning and calibration on my lovely Dragon. Before I spend $1500- $2000 for a Dragon rebuild, I'd buy a nice new digital recorder. Or two or three working Dragons. >That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a >problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech >did (I'm an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels >most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent >question that could have been much better handled from a >"proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly >because I was very surprised... > >But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very >unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. > >Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about >that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... > >I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever >doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL > >Rick >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 1 13:08:34 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:08:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick I mean no offence but in fairness, it seems you want your cake and to eat it. You wanted the job done on the cheap - it was and you were not satisfied - and then you expect Jeff Galin to be help you out of this situation with free advice after you took the bread from his mouth and gave it to a tech you now admit was not up to the job. Put yourself in JG's position and I think you'd feel Rick was taking advantage of you. Peace Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RICHARD FIne Sent: 01 April 2007 04:42 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I’m an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sun Apr 1 14:39:09 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:39:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING Message-ID: <460FA7ED.1030106@marrscommunications.com> Hello, One point I want to make perfectly clear, I am not defending ANYONE or ANYTHING, just making a statement or Food for thought. Something that needs to said about "restoration" on any electronic device, (not to mention the mechanical end of it), Unlike restoring a automobile where you can "see" what needs to be done, you must replace ALL electrolytics, in addition to components you "think" might fail. Especially when offering a warranty, which is expected for a large expenditure. Most people wanting to have a restoration done, don't really understand just what that means. A true restoration means tearing down the unit completely. In this case, transport included. Taking boards out of the unit and replacing "most" components on that board, that was originally populated by a robot. Especially with SMD devices of today. IF this is really being done, and you are NOT calling a "repair" a "restoration", you are not talking about a hourly rate, you are talking about a project that will take DAYS or possibly a month. Where the misunderstandings arise is the consumer does not realize what a True restoration involves. We tend to think of it as a repair. Let's face it everyone, there are some of us that will spend whatever we can possibly afford, to keep our passions alive. Myself included. Later, ____ Fred From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 15:25:49 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING In-Reply-To: <460FA7ED.1030106@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <713840.1576.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Point well taken. I still do not think any restoration of any magnitude should for a qualified technician cost @$200-300 per hour in fees. I am talking well experienced here like ESL claims they are. They are entitled to a good fat fee, no doubt.....I would gladly pay in advance! But what are they proclaiming to be? Rocket scientists? I think I don't just understand what some of you are feeling, because I believe in appropriate rewards for any job. just not outrageousness. I refrain from saying anything else in this matter, because I am guessing I am in the minority here. free Market economy rules and will decide ESLs future.....we shall perhaps live to see it....perhaps some of us may not! Good luck ESL. You have lost me until you are reasonable. Sorry Jeff. I have great respect for you, not your fees! Thanks for all the pro/con responses. Enjoy your Naks anyway! Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hello, One point I want to make perfectly clear, I am not defending ANYONE or ANYTHING, just making a statement or Food for thought. Something that needs to said about "restoration" on any electronic device, (not to mention the mechanical end of it), Unlike restoring a automobile where you can "see" what needs to be done, you must replace ALL electrolytics, in addition to components you "think" might fail. Especially when offering a warranty, which is expected for a large expenditure. Most people wanting to have a restoration done, don't really understand just what that means. A true restoration means tearing down the unit completely. In this case, transport included. Taking boards out of the unit and replacing "most" components on that board, that was originally populated by a robot. Especially with SMD devices of today. IF this is really being done, and you are NOT calling a "repair" a "restoration", you are not talking about a hourly rate, you are talking about a project that will take DAYS or possibly a month. Where the misunderstandings arise is the consumer does not realize what a True restoration involves. We tend to think of it as a repair. Let's face it everyone, there are some of us that will spend whatever we can possibly afford, to keep our passions alive. Myself included. Later, ____ Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram = From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sun Apr 1 16:37:41 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:37:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329173404.00881460@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070329173404.00881460@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4321355F-CE25-4D29-9172-260B4A33368E@thegreatbear.net> hello again both pinchrollers look ok, there is no undue movement i made the open cassette and in play the tape is held firmly, there's no curl or other movement that i can see. i guess i really need to check the tension now accurately. tom do you know the US cost of the Teac MTT8131? If it's alot cheaper than the UK price I've got, I'll happily purchase one from you. thanks adrian On 30 Mar 2007, at 00:34, Hi Tech wrote: > Adrian, > I can't watch your movie. A capstan can be bent when it is slid > backwards, > but not removed from the bearing. To verify, remove the 2 screws > and the > pitch knob on the azimuth plate. Watch the pinchroller in play if > it moves > to and fro, then the capstan is bent. I do not understand why the > deck has > no wow. > Take a scrap cassette and cut the plastic on 1/2 of the shell so > the area > around the heads is exposed. Be sure not to remove the guides at > each edge > of the cassette. Remove the pressure pad. Load this "open cassette" > into > the deck and play. If the tape seems to curl away from the top or > bottom > edge of the head, try pulling the bent capstans pinch roller back a > bit > with a small tool. If the tape curl ceases, then you know the > cause. If > not, there may be tension or guide issues. > The test bench method of verifying a bent capstan would be to use > the > Information Terminals M-300 jig as a master plane jig. It has a > block that > can verify what is perpendicular to the cassette,and what lies at > an angle. > > tom brucker > > At 09:12 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >> i'll look at each contact more carefully next time I open it up.. >> >> I cannot see anything caught around the pinch roller bearings, Tom, >> but what I can see somthing maybe more worrying: >> >> >> the top capstan shaft is not running true.. it's got a very slight >> wobble in it, you can see this quite clearly. >> >> I've managed to make a little movie of it, have a look here: >> >> http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/700II_capstan.MOV >> >> it's not the best, but you can make out the wobble, look at it's >> shadow about too.. >> >> the previous owner replaced the capstan belt, so he would have >> removed each flywheel and capstan, could a shaft have got bent or is >> it more likely to be the bearing? >> >> using Luis's calibration tapes I can't hear any obvious speed >> variation, but I can definately hear level variation in recordings... >> >> >> >> adrian >> >> >> >> >> On 29 Mar 2007, at 15:54, Hi Tech wrote: >> >>> With a pointy tool apply a bit of pressure to each gold finger >>> inside the >>> connector so that the finger ends up a bit closer to the middle. >>> Get rid of >>> the foam. There may be a sheen of silicone polish causing the touch >>> controls to be internittent. Detergent cleaning? >>> The Teac torque gauge is the standard...that was what Nak shipped. >>> I did >>> not know there were different versions. They type I have has 0-120 >>> gram-cm >>> scales, and "SRK-CT" on it. The tape travel cassette, or open >>> cassette is >>> also ok from Teac. It has a mirror that permits viewing the tape >>> as it >>> moves across the head and guides. Small amounts of tape curl can be >>> easily >>> detected. The more likely pinch roller problem is cotton stuck in >>> the >>> bearings. Inspect. There is a gentleman on eBay that rebuilds all >>> pinchrollers for a flat amount. I have heard he does a good job. If >>> the >>> rubber is crowned, or has deep grooves, you may need rollers, but a >>> deck in >>> this condition would have serious head wear. >>> The 700 and 1000 calibrate, in theory, as well as, say a >>> 680, but in >>> practice the 20kHz playback stability is not as good as later >>> decks. When I >>> set these up I adjust for flat at 18kHz, and expect 20kHz to be >>> -2dB or >>> better. Adjusting the bias to get flat at 20 often increases the >>> harmonic >>> distortion beyond spec, which has a detrimental effect on >>> recording. The >>> deck also may be set for CrO2 tape. Check the rear panel record cal >>> control >>> adjustments. >>> The 700 and 1000 are worth owning for their beauty, mic inputs >>> (1000 has >>> a blend mic fader), pitch control, and solid transport. >>> tom brucker >>> >>> >>> At 12:33 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >>>> hello again >>>> >>>> mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both >>>> directions ok now but I now have some other problems.. >>>> >>>> >>>> the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record, >>>> pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes >>>> pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!! >>>> I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later >>>> and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam >>>> pad to >>>> gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts >>>> for >>>> the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could >>>> put too much pressure on the PCB joints.. >>>> >>>> I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF >>>> compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as >>>> long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape >>>> mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first. >>>> >>>> I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according >>>> to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual >>>> states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other >>>> makes >>>> still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son >>>> Ltd. >>>> can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. >>>> Am I >>>> right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range >>>> for >>>> the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable? >>>> >>>> DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can >>>> the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to >>>> check >>>> for waving or slippage? >>>> >>>> My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and >>>> definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my >>>> options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel >>>> ones? >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> adrian >>>> >>>> p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> hello again >>>>> >>>>> it looks like i've fixed my problem! >>>>> >>>>> thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I >>>>> don't >>>>> have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed >>>>> with it, I though I could do no harm! >>>>> >>>>> I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the >>>>> brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual >>>>> indication of torque) >>>>> >>>>> this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on >>>>> RW.. >>>>> >>>>> now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually >>>>> increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my >>>>> guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no >>>>> folding tape and the FF autostop works now! >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any >>>>> tape torque meters still available? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> adrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks for the help tom.. >>>>>> >>>>>> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and >>>>>> S.M. >>>>>> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up >>>>>> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the >>>>>> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. >>>>>> >>>>>> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until >>>>>> now... >>>>>> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to >>>>>> mine (he delivered) >>>>>> >>>>>> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape >>>>>> folding >>>>>> >>>>>> FF is fine but no autostop >>>>>> >>>>>> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in >>>>>> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not >>>>>> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or >>>>>> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to >>>>>> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then >>>>>> pause or nothing happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks again >>>>>> >>>>>> adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian, >>>>>>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >>>>>>> photo >>>>>>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >>>>>>> causing it >>>>>>> to bind. >>>>>>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >>>>>>> complex >>>>>>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >>>>>>> lasting, but it >>>>>>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, >>>>>>> perhaps a >>>>>>> tire is >>>>>>> slipping? >>>>>>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >>>>>>> take up >>>>>>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >>>>>>> roller >>>>>>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >>>>>>> beginning, but not >>>>>>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tom brucker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>>>>>> hello all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> seemed like a good buy... >>>>>>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>>>>>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF >>>>>>>> shutoff >>>>>>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons >>>>>>>> for this.. >>>>>>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working >>>>>>>> properly.. I >>>>>>>> hope I can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> adrian >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ >>>>>>>> listinfo/ >>>>>>>> naktalk >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Brucker CSM >>>>>>> Hi Tech Service >>>>>>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>>>>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>>>>>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>>>>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ >>>>>>> listinfo/ >>>>>>> naktalk >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>>> naktalk >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 16:58:36 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! In-Reply-To: <20070401140938.38706115943@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <712464.47991.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 1 17:11:39 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! In-Reply-To: <712464.47991.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <139893.89348.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunately that is reality. It is not free to try to own the best. Anyway to all my beloved Nakkers, HAPPY APRIL FOOL DAY !!! Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. 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URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 17:22:11 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:22:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective Message-ID: <000801c77471$85ab9710$0301a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Hey fellow Nakkers, I've posted similar comments before over the years.....each time a new discussion breaks out regarding Jeff Galin's fees for restorations. I have had five higher end Naks restored by ESL and I am very happy with all of them. I've also had tune-ups and repairs on numerous other decks done by Kannan and Tom Brucker at vastly lower costs, and I have been very happy with those as well, but they are tune-ups and repairs, and do not require the labor and rare parts investment of a re-build. You should select your service provider based on what you want, and what you think the value of a particular deck is. I personally would not send a CR-3 or a Cassette Deck One to ESL for a re-furb, the value is simply not there. My Dragon, 680ZX and CR-7 are another story however. I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. Some people want to have their decks...and other gear....in as close to new condition as possible......that is what you are paying for when you hire ESL to do a re-furbish. When you add the cost for a deck on ebay or audiogon to the cost of an ESL rebuild, you generally are in the range of what the decks cost new in the 80s, and still far below an adjusted 'new' value. As pointed out by another member....Gra' I think, many audiophiles are spending huge amounts for esoteric pieces of equipment.....like $5000 for a phono cartridge. These Naks were, and are, esoteric audiophile equipment by any standard, and for that type of equipment, in 'new' condition, you must evaluate it's value to you and select your repair/refurbish options accordingly. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 1 17:39:08 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:39:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING In-Reply-To: <713840.1576.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c77473$e4774030$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ram, The days of payment being down to cost plus fair reward have sadly long since gone. In these times of blatant greed, if a seller has greater demand than he can supply at a particular price then up goes the price, until such point that supply more or less meets demand. It means of course that at times only the well off can now afford the product. Unfortunately capitalism not only creates great innovaters but also a degree of self-satisfying and don't care about the unfairness of it. Don't get me wrong, I am not a staunch socialist by a long shot, but that doesn't mean that I don't see the other side of the coin and it isn't always very nice. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 14:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING Point well taken. I still do not think any restoration of any magnitude should for a qualified technician cost @$200-300 per hour in fees. I am talking well experienced here like ESL claims they are. They are entitled to a good fat fee, no doubt.....I would gladly pay in advance! But what are they proclaiming to be? Rocket scientists? I think I don't just understand what some of you are feeling, because I believe in appropriate rewards for any job. just not outrageousness. I refrain from saying anything else in this matter, because I am guessing I am in the minority here. free Market economy rules and will decide ESLs future.....we shall perhaps live to see it....perhaps some of us may not! Good luck ESL. You have lost me until you are reasonable. Sorry Jeff. I have great respect for you, not your fees! Thanks for all the pro/con responses. Enjoy your Naks anyway! Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hello, One point I want to make perfectly clear, I am not defending ANYONE or ANYTHING, just making a statement or Food for thought. Something that needs to said about "restoration" on any electronic device, (not to mention the mechanical end of it), Unlike restoring a automobile where you can "see" what needs to be done, you must replace ALL electrolytics, in addition to components you "think" might fail. Especially when offering a warranty, which is expected for a large expenditure. Most people wanting to have a restoration done, don't really understand just what that means. A true restoration means tearing down the unit completely. In this case, transport included. Taking boards out of the unit and replacing "most" components on that board, that was originally populated by a robot. Especially with SMD devices of today. IF this is really being done, and you are NOT calling a "repair" a "restoration", you are not talking about a hourly rate, you are talking about a project that will take DAYS or possibly a month. Where the misunderstandings arise is the consumer does not realize what a True restoration involves. We tend to think of it as a repair. Let's face it everyone, there are some of us that will spend whatever we can possibly afford, to keep our passions alive. Myself included. Later, ____ Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sun Apr 1 19:36:26 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:36:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXLs and expert Nak support In-Reply-To: <200704011542.l31FfjZc012275@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704011542.l31FfjZc012275@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C9429B686DE78A-1230-2F5@webmail-stg-d03.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ram You sound like a nice guy, and I really enjoy reading your contributions, but I think you're headed in the wrong direction with your 1000ZXLs. You're kidding yourself if you think that you're going to solve the problems in one machine by swapping in parts or assemblies from the other. You might get it going, but is that enough - don't you want it to work the way it did when it was new all those decades ago? People like Jeff have spent years of their business lives working up solutions for Nak owners - in an environment where they have no Nakamichi Corp to fall back on. They have the ability to keep those beautiful old decks working like new. But the reality is that this involves a lot of their time and resources in exchange for a lot of your money. If you want to run a 1000ZXL and really enjoy it, you'll save yourself a lot of grief by having one of the small number of remaining genuine Nak experts look after it. Over the decades that I spent looking after Naks, I saw too many of their high level machines irreparably damaged by attempted repairs by owners, and by ill equipped and uninvolved "professional" repairers. As a consequence, there are many Nak owners out there who have machines that do little more than just limp along. I've said before on Naktalk that I think ZX-9s and ZX-7s are better machines anyway - they are - they're just not as big and impressive (?) looking. If I was in your shoes Ram, I'd sell the 1000ZXls and shoot for the world's largest collection of ZX-9s or ZX-7s instead. I hope you accept that the above is from-the-heart advice from a fellow Naklover who admires your dedication and passion. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 5 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! (shanti ramachandran) 2. Re: FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! (LENA WONG) 3. ESL Another Perspective (rjkent at comcast.net) 4. RE: RESTORATION / REFURBISHING (Shaun Montgomery) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <712464.47991.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/71c0af7b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <139893.89348.qm at web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unfortunately that is reality. It is not free to try to own the best. Anyway to all my beloved Nakkers, HAPPY APRIL FOOL DAY !!! Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/276c5979/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:22:11 -0700 From: Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective To: Message-ID: <000801c77471$85ab9710$0301a8c0 at robertbwpur6ye> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey fellow Nakkers, I've posted similar comments before over the years.....each time a new discussion breaks out regarding Jeff Galin's fees for restorations. I have had five higher end Naks restored by ESL and I am very happy with all of them. I've also had tune-ups and repairs on numerous other decks done by Kannan and Tom Brucker at vastly lower costs, and I have been very happy with those as well, but they are tune-ups and repairs, and do not require the labor and rare parts investment of a re-build. You should select your service provider based on what you want, and what you think the value of a particular deck is. I personally would not send a CR-3 or a Cassette Deck One to ESL for a re-furb, the value is simply not there. My Dragon, 680ZX and CR-7 are another story however. I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. Some people want to have their decks...and other gear....in as close to new condition as possible......that is what you are paying for when you hire ESL to do a re-furbish. When you add the cost for a deck on ebay or audiogon to the cost of an ESL rebuild, you generally are in the range of what the decks cost new in the 80s, and still far below an adjusted 'new' value. As pointed out by another member....Gra' I think, many audiophiles are spending huge amounts for esoteric pieces of equipment.....like $5000 for a phono cartridge. These Naks were, and are, esoteric audiophile equipment by any standard, and for that type of equipment, in 'new' condition, you must evaluate it's value to you and select your repair/refurbish options accordingly. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/c6a01e2a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:39:08 +0100 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001b01c77473$e4774030$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ram, The days of payment being down to cost plus fair reward have sadly long since gone. In these times of blatant greed, if a seller has greater demand than he can supply at a particular price then up goes the price, until such point that supply more or less meets demand. It means of course that at times only the well off can now afford the product. Unfortunately capitalism not only creates great innovaters but also a degree of self-satisfying and don't care about the unfairness of it. Don't get me wrong, I am not a staunch socialist by a long shot, but that doesn't mean that I don't see the other side of the coin and it isn't always very nice. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 14:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING Point well taken. I still do not think any restoration of any magnitude should for a qualified technician cost @$200-300 per hour in fees. I am talking well experienced here like ESL claims they are. They are entitled to a good fat fee, no doubt.....I would gladly pay in advance! But what are they proclaiming to be? Rocket scientists? I think I don't just understand what some of you are feeling, because I believe in appropriate rewards for any job. just not outrageousness. I refrain from saying anything else in this matter, because I am guessing I am in the minority here. free Market economy rules and will decide ESLs future.....we shall perhaps live to see it....perhaps some of us may not! Good luck ESL. You have lost me until you are reasonable. Sorry Jeff. I have great respect for you, not your fees! Thanks for all the pro/con responses. Enjoy your Naks anyway! Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hello, One point I want to make perfectly clear, I am not defending ANYONE or ANYTHING, just making a statement or Food for thought. Something that needs to said about "restoration" on any electronic device, (not to mention the mechanical end of it), Unlike restoring a automobile where you can "see" what needs to be done, you must replace ALL electrolytics, in addition to components you "think" might fail. Especially when offering a warranty, which is expected for a large expenditure. Most people wanting to have a restoration done, don't really understand just what that means. A true restoration means tearing down the unit completely. In this case, transport included. Taking boards out of the unit and replacing "most" components on that board, that was originally populated by a robot. Especially with SMD devices of today. IF this is really being done, and you are NOT calling a "repair" a "restoration", you are not talking about a hourly rate, you are talking about a project that will take DAYS or possibly a month. Where the misunderstandings arise is the consumer does not realize what a True restoration involves. We tend to think of it as a repair. Let's face it everyone, there are some of us that will spend whatever we can possibly afford, to keep our passions alive. Myself included. 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URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Apr 1 19:42:34 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:42:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <48f7410666a949ea94be20d19b922df0.nakamichi@ispwest.com> We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Sun Apr 1 19:46:45 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:46:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 References: <658358.21520.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c77485$b73eff60$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Thanx guys, I will have to figure out where exactly this is. On the right side looking at the front? ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Yup, that's what it is. On the right side of the machine it slides in between the switches and screws into the frame of the machine. SJ kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Looks like covering over the bias adjustment presets - to reduce HF leakage Kannan Max Havlik wrote: In regards to the silver colored part left over after reassembling my BX300, Thanx for all the replies, don't you just hate it when something is left over? 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 19:58:21 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXLs and expert Nak support In-Reply-To: <8C9429B686DE78A-1230-2F5@webmail-stg-d03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <147008.85988.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, I agree with you on the ZX series of decks. i have both of them in superb condition. In fact, both of them have never ever been to a service shop in the last 30 years. All I do is clean the transport and demag with han-dmag myself. I shal l post the true condition of my ZXL when one engineer I know(rather well) goes through it this summer. John, please remember that this zxl was running perfect when I pulled the battery cover and shorted something in the power PCB. Stand by in August for a status on this machine. I sincerely think for reasonable dollars I shall have a superb machine.....rivalling my ZX9/7 decks. Thanks for your defense of ESL. I just cant swallow their fees. Thank God, they are not physicians, and not the only ones. People would die in hordes! for inability to pay their fees...which I repeat borders on extortion. Regards Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi Ram You sound like a nice guy, and I really enjoy reading your contributions, but I think you're headed in the wrong direction with your 1000ZXLs. You're kidding yourself if you think that you're going to solve the problems in one machine by swapping in parts or assemblies from the other. You might get it going, but is that enough - don't you want it to work the way it did when it was new all those decades ago? People like Jeff have spent years of their business lives working up solutions for Nak owners - in an environment where they have no Nakamichi Corp to fall back on. They have the ability to keep those beautiful old decks working like new. But the reality is that this involves a lot of their time and resources in exchange for a lot of your money. If you want to run a 1000ZXL and really enjoy it, you'll save yourself a lot of grief by having one of the small number of remaining genuine Nak experts look after it. Over the decades that I spent looking after Naks, I saw too many of their high level machines irreparably damaged by attempted repairs by owners, and by ill equipped and uninvolved "professional" repairers. As a consequence, there are many Nak owners out there who have machines that do little more than just limp along. I've said before on Naktalk that I think ZX-9s and ZX-7s are better machines anyway - they are - they're just not as big and impressive (?) looking. If I was in your shoes Ram, I'd sell the 1000ZXls and shoot for the world's largest collection of ZX-9s or ZX-7s instead. I hope you accept that the above is from-the-heart advice from a fellow Naklover who admires your dedication and passion. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 5 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! (shanti ramachandran) 2. Re: FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! (LENA WONG) 3. ESL Another Perspective (rjkent at comcast.net) 4. RE: RESTORATION / REFURBISHING (Shaun Montgomery) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <712464.47991.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. Ram = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/71c0af7b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <139893.89348.qm at web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unfortunately that is reality. It is not free to try to own the best. Anyway to all my beloved Nakkers, HAPPY APRIL FOOL DAY !!! Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Grant, You are right about our insanity....defending ESL. Well lets agree here to disagree and pursue our insanity our own special way! By the way, I did buy those cd/dvd players and have 4 ipods too! Call me mad! I still like my Naks. About the only sanity left in me is to watch how much these things cost to service.lol Ram bastard wrote: Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! Grant Mike, Thats why I bought another 1000zxl on audiogon last Thursday. Again, Mike, mildly put, when you own something, you never spend more than what it cost you to own it. i dont care if its aMercedes or a Ferrari or a Nak, albeit a ZXL. Yes a ZXL is a great machine. But charging three times the purchase price to get it to specs. Come on Nakkers. Lets love our Naks but not go insane. Thats what feeds the gougers. Believe me ESL would have all our businesses if they were a little reasonable. But they choose not to be........its fair. their choice. Everything has a price of purchase. A 1000ZXL repair too. I love my Naks( Have 9 of them) You would call me insane. I am not insane. Just practical. The old ZXL will donate parts and Ill have the new one like ESL next week. Sorry Jeff Galin. Some of us Nakkers have a little sanity left in us. The others....well good luck. Kep defending ESL and their fees. Please do not be SUCKERS. You like Naks because you are sane. Dont lose it! Sorry Jeff Galin, I had to let it out. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/276c5979/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:22:11 -0700 From: Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective To: Message-ID: <000801c77471$85ab9710$0301a8c0 at robertbwpur6ye> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey fellow Nakkers, I've posted similar comments before over the years.....each time a new discussion breaks out regarding Jeff Galin's fees for restorations. I have had five higher end Naks restored by ESL and I am very happy with all of them. I've also had tune-ups and repairs on numerous other decks done by Kannan and Tom Brucker at vastly lower costs, and I have been very happy with those as well, but they are tune-ups and repairs, and do not require the labor and rare parts investment of a re-build. You should select your service provider based on what you want, and what you think the value of a particular deck is. I personally would not send a CR-3 or a Cassette Deck One to ESL for a re-furb, the value is simply not there. My Dragon, 680ZX and CR-7 are another story however. I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. Some people want to have their decks...and other gear....in as close to new condition as possible......that is what you are paying for when you hire ESL to do a re-furbish. When you add the cost for a deck on ebay or audiogon to the cost of an ESL rebuild, you generally are in the range of what the decks cost new in the 80s, and still far below an adjusted 'new' value. As pointed out by another member....Gra' I think, many audiophiles are spending huge amounts for esoteric pieces of equipment.....like $5000 for a phono cartridge. These Naks were, and are, esoteric audiophile equipment by any standard, and for that type of equipment, in 'new' condition, you must evaluate it's value to you and select your repair/refurbish options accordingly. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/c6a01e2a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:39:08 +0100 From: "Shaun Montgomery" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <001b01c77473$e4774030$7300a8c0 at Shaun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ram, The days of payment being down to cost plus fair reward have sadly long since gone. In these times of blatant greed, if a seller has greater demand than he can supply at a particular price then up goes the price, until such point that supply more or less meets demand. It means of course that at times only the well off can now afford the product. Unfortunately capitalism not only creates great innovaters but also a degree of self-satisfying and don't care about the unfairness of it. Don't get me wrong, I am not a staunch socialist by a long shot, but that doesn't mean that I don't see the other side of the coin and it isn't always very nice. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 14:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING Point well taken. I still do not think any restoration of any magnitude should for a qualified technician cost @$200-300 per hour in fees. I am talking well experienced here like ESL claims they are. They are entitled to a good fat fee, no doubt.....I would gladly pay in advance! But what are they proclaiming to be? Rocket scientists? I think I don't just understand what some of you are feeling, because I believe in appropriate rewards for any job. just not outrageousness. I refrain from saying anything else in this matter, because I am guessing I am in the minority here. free Market economy rules and will decide ESLs future.....we shall perhaps live to see it....perhaps some of us may not! Good luck ESL. You have lost me until you are reasonable. Sorry Jeff. I have great respect for you, not your fees! Thanks for all the pro/con responses. Enjoy your Naks anyway! Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hello, One point I want to make perfectly clear, I am not defending ANYONE or ANYTHING, just making a statement or Food for thought. Something that needs to said about "restoration" on any electronic device, (not to mention the mechanical end of it), Unlike restoring a automobile where you can "see" what needs to be done, you must replace ALL electrolytics, in addition to components you "think" might fail. Especially when offering a warranty, which is expected for a large expenditure. Most people wanting to have a restoration done, don't really understand just what that means. A true restoration means tearing down the unit completely. In this case, transport included. Taking boards out of the unit and replacing "most" components on that board, that was originally populated by a robot. Especially with SMD devices of today. IF this is really being done, and you are NOT calling a "repair" a "restoration", you are not talking about a hourly rate, you are talking about a project that will take DAYS or possibly a month. Where the misunderstandings arise is the consumer does not realize what a True restoration involves. We tend to think of it as a repair. Let's face it everyone, there are some of us that will spend whatever we can possibly afford, to keep our passions alive. Myself included. 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In-Reply-To: <48f7410666a949ea94be20d19b922df0.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <874143.73032.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wait a minute folks, I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for our Naks sake. But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable request for sincere service at a fair cost. There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is extortion. For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is bordering on that now. They were not as bad in 2005-2006. Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are getting tired of your high fees! Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. Respectfully, Ram "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! 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Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Wait a minute folks, > > I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for > our Naks sake. > > But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable > request for sincere service at a fair cost. > > There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is > extortion. > For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is > bordering on that now. > They were not as bad in 2005-2006. > > Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be > considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential > customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? > > ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service > place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers > are getting tired of your high fees! > > Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. > > Respectfully, > Ram > > > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 21:06:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [!! SPAM] RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <460FFD6E.3030108@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <930675.9041.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doug, No one said fortunes are being made. You are referring out of context to the posting. Smiling back at you. Ram Doug Locke wrote: If fortunes are being made by ESL in restoring Nakamichi decks, then why not just buy the spares and start up in business restoring Nakamichi tape decks, undercut ESL by a bit and still make loadsa money! After all servicing/restoring naks is just so easy. In fact now I've though of it maybe thats what I'll do, now where did I put that service manual? With a smile. Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Wait a minute folks, > > I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for > our Naks sake. > > But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable > request for sincere service at a fair cost. > > There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is > extortion. > For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is > bordering on that now. > They were not as bad in 2005-2006. > > Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be > considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential > customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? > > ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service > place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers > are getting tired of your high fees! > > Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. > > Respectfully, > Ram > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 21:10:02 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:10:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <874143.73032.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Today, we live in a world where gouging is an acceptable byproduct of capitalism. And I think we all appreciate the fine line between what is an acceptable price to pay for a product or service and what is insane. But this is subjective. If I had very deep pockets...well I will pay whatever anyone wants if I want it bad enough. The same can be said about the price of gas..we have to buy it and close our eyes when we fill up...but aren't the oil companies gouging us all? Notwithstanding their rationale we dont believe anything they say, but we can choose to buy a vehicle thats more fuel efficient because the problem will never go away. With our Naks there is very little option in having our beloved decks running like new....and so ESL can do as it pleases. Thats capitalism at work. One day we will frown upon gouging but it wont be in my lifetime but it will happen as the world continues to evolve and capitalism is fine tuned and improved to a level we can only dream of today. Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck like new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new status is enormous not to say stressful. Cheers boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Wait a minute folks, > > I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for >our Naks sake. > > But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable >request for sincere service at a fair cost. > > There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is >extortion. > For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is >bordering on that now. > They were not as bad in 2005-2006. > > Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be >considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential customers >and know you are the best.....but at what price??? > > ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service >place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are >getting tired of your high fees! > > Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. > > Respectfully, > Ram > > > > > >"nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: > We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to >him...It is simple.Stephen >Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just >GREED in it's pure form! >Best regards, > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] >Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM >To : naktalk at naks.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. > >Rick, > >Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. > >He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My >brain felt numb and dumb! > >Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and >spending $4500 to >refurbish. > >We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd >and dvd players cost >less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars >and all these high end >units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. > >ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 >in todays dollars >adjusted for inflation. > >I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I >might be able to afford it, >and I really can! > >Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. > >Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today >difficult to sell. > >Only the dumb ones fall for it. > >Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to >for help with these great >machines. > >I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them >come on! > >Regards, >Ram, > >RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of >fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. >He replied that he >always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. > >I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so >I could relay it to >the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: > > >Hi Rick, > >I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my >time. This will include >some basic installation tips. > >The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > > > >So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just >mail ESL a check for >$93.50 > > >Enjoy your weekend!!! > >Rick > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for earth-friendly autos? >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Fine Dining & Fancy Food. Check Out This Collection Of Good Eats. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!378 From lporretta at shaw.ca Sun Apr 1 21:23:59 2007 From: lporretta at shaw.ca (Luis Porretta) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:23:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: References: <874143.73032.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401c77493$4cbd5700$6400a8c0@LPFADESK> Boogie, While what you write may be true, the evolution of Capitalism would suggest that somebody spotting an business opportunity would make use of it. If it is true that so little competition exists for a service and the business operating that service takes advantage of this financially, then competition would be the only thing that will bring down those prices. I would suggest that those 'in the trade' who are technically able, seize this opportunity. If a person is offered a cheaper deal for the same quality of work from another technician, they will the get all the NAK business they will ever need. If the prices being quoted are correct, it seems to me that throwing away a Nak when it is failing and buying another would make more sense than getting it repaired, that is, if there exists no person in North America who can adequately repair a NAK apart from the maligned party. Power to the people! Best regards - Luis Porretta Today, we live in a world where gouging is an acceptable byproduct of capitalism. And I think we all appreciate the fine line between what is an acceptable price to pay for a product or service and what is insane. But this is subjective. If I had very deep pockets...well I will pay whatever anyone wants if I want it bad enough. The same can be said about the price of gas..we have to buy it and close our eyes when we fill up...but aren't the oil companies gouging us all? Notwithstanding their rationale we dont believe anything they say, but we can choose to buy a vehicle thats more fuel efficient because the problem will never go away. With our Naks there is very little option in having our beloved decks running like new....and so ESL can do as it pleases. Thats capitalism at work. One day we will frown upon gouging but it wont be in my lifetime but it will happen as the world continues to evolve and capitalism is fine tuned and improved to a level we can only dream of today. Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck like new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new status is enormous not to say stressful. Cheers boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Wait a minute folks, > > I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL >for our Naks sake. > > But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable >request for sincere service at a fair cost. > > There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there >is extortion. > For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now >is bordering on that now. > They were not as bad in 2005-2006. > > Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be >considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential >customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? > > ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service >place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are >getting tired of your high fees! > > Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. > > Respectfully, > Ram > > > > > >"nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: > We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to >him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over >the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! >Best regards, > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] >Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM >To : naktalk at naks.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. > >Rick, > >Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. > >He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. >My brain felt numb and dumb! > >Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy >and spending $4500 to refurbish. > >We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best >cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high >end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very >ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. > >ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take >$9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. > >I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I >might be able to afford it, and I really can! > >Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. > >Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today >difficult to sell. > >Only the dumb ones fall for it. > >Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn >to for help with these great machines. > >I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let >them come on! > >Regards, >Ram, > >RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of >fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. >He replied that he >always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. > >I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used >so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his >answer: > > >Hi Rick, > >I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my >time. This will include some basic installation tips. > >The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > > > >So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... >just mail ESL a check for $93.50 > > >Enjoy your weekend!!! > >Rick > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for earth-friendly autos? >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > > >--------------------------------- >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== _________________________________________________________________ Fine Dining & Fancy Food. Check Out This Collection Of Good Eats. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!378 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Apr 1 21:26:38 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:26:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice References: Message-ID: <002901c77493$abaffb00$0201a8c0@home> 100% agree with you Gra! Probably 85% of you guys out there tinker with your Naks as a hobby where "your time is your own". The rest of us do it as part of our living where we charge our time according to our experience, overheads, test equipment spares inventory, and throughput ect......... Within that there is always time made available for free advise to one and all up to a point, (try getting that from some of the other professions out there). Hence the valuable contributions made by the people on Naktalk. But that time has to be clawed back somehow...in the end in business there is no free lunch, (even if the Bank manager pays) Lets save any moaning emails and venom for those that don't come up to scratch rather than those that may charge more than some, can afford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This site is turning more into an agony column every day ;-) T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice Rick I mean no offence but in fairness, it seems you want your cake and to eat it. You wanted the job done on the cheap - it was and you were not satisfied - and then you expect Jeff Galin to be help you out of this situation with free advice after you took the bread from his mouth and gave it to a tech you now admit was not up to the job. Put yourself in JG's position and I think you'd feel Rick was taking advantage of you. Peace Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RICHARD FIne Sent: 01 April 2007 04:42 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I'm an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 31/03/07 20:54 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 22:17:21 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <004401c77493$4cbd5700$6400a8c0@LPFADESK> Message-ID: <743615.5440.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luis, I couldnt have said it better myself. We needs more Balas, Kannans and Toms doing yomen service. And all of these are pros mind you. Ram Luis Porretta wrote: Boogie, While what you write may be true, the evolution of Capitalism would suggest that somebody spotting an business opportunity would make use of it. If it is true that so little competition exists for a service and the business operating that service takes advantage of this financially, then competition would be the only thing that will bring down those prices. I would suggest that those 'in the trade' who are technically able, seize this opportunity. If a person is offered a cheaper deal for the same quality of work from another technician, they will the get all the NAK business they will ever need. If the prices being quoted are correct, it seems to me that throwing away a Nak when it is failing and buying another would make more sense than getting it repaired, that is, if there exists no person in North America who can adequately repair a NAK apart from the maligned party. Power to the people! Best regards - Luis Porretta Today, we live in a world where gouging is an acceptable byproduct of capitalism. And I think we all appreciate the fine line between what is an acceptable price to pay for a product or service and what is insane. But this is subjective. If I had very deep pockets...well I will pay whatever anyone wants if I want it bad enough. The same can be said about the price of gas..we have to buy it and close our eyes when we fill up...but aren't the oil companies gouging us all? Notwithstanding their rationale we dont believe anything they say, but we can choose to buy a vehicle thats more fuel efficient because the problem will never go away. With our Naks there is very little option in having our beloved decks running like new....and so ESL can do as it pleases. Thats capitalism at work. One day we will frown upon gouging but it wont be in my lifetime but it will happen as the world continues to evolve and capitalism is fine tuned and improved to a level we can only dream of today. Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck like new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new status is enormous not to say stressful. Cheers boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Wait a minute folks, > > I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL >for our Naks sake. > > But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable >request for sincere service at a fair cost. > > There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there >is extortion. > For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now >is bordering on that now. > They were not as bad in 2005-2006. > > Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be >considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential >customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? > > ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service >place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are >getting tired of your high fees! > > Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. > > Respectfully, > Ram > > > > > >"nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: > We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to >him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over >the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! >Best regards, > > >------- Original Message ------- > >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] >Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM >To : naktalk at naks.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. > >Rick, > >Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. > >He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. >My brain felt numb and dumb! > >Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy >and spending $4500 to refurbish. > >We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best >cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high >end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very >ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. > >ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take >$9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. > >I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I >might be able to afford it, and I really can! > >Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. > >Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today >difficult to sell. > >Only the dumb ones fall for it. > >Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn >to for help with these great machines. > >I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let >them come on! > >Regards, >Ram, > >RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of >fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. >He replied that he >always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. > >I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used >so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his >answer: > > >Hi Rick, > >I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my >time. This will include some basic installation tips. > >The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > > > >So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... >just mail ESL a check for $93.50 > > >Enjoy your weekend!!! > >Rick > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for earth-friendly autos? >Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > > > >--------------------------------- >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== _________________________________________________________________ Fine Dining & Fancy Food. 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Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 1 22:53:55 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:53:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c7749f$e0259550$7300a8c0@Shaun> The following are what B & W service: * Dragon * 480/481/482 (including "z" models) * 580/581/582 (including "z" models) * 660ZX / 670ZX / 680ZX / 681ZX / 682ZX / * BX-1/BX-2 * BX-100/BX-125/BX-150/BX-300 * LX-3/LX-5 * ZX-7/ZX-9 * RX-202/RX-303/RX-505 * CR-1/CR-2/CR-4/CR-5/CR-7 * Cassette Deck 1/Cassette Deck 1.5/Cassette Deck 2 * DR-1/DR-2/DR-3/DR-8/DR-10 * MR-1 / MR-2 Which is basically 1979 onwards Shaun Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck like new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new status is enormous not to say stressful. Cheers boogie From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:04:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <585856.77982.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. Regards, Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: If anyone needs a cheaper repair quote for classic Nak work, in addition to Tom and Kannan may I suggest Willy Herman in the SF bay area. He's a retired Nak technician who is working out of his home in Orinda and still has some parts left over from his years as the owner of SF Stereo. He can be reached at - willyherm at gmail.com He's also selling some stuff on eBay under the screen name "willyherm" He's currently in the middle of a project of restoring his own 700ZXL. He showed me a little baggie of caps he had removed from it - looked like a bunch of little orange beetles - haha. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Apr 1 23:10:11 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:10:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <002e01c7749f$e0259550$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:53:55 +0100 > >The following are what B & W service: > > * Dragon > * 480/481/482 (including "z" models) > * 580/581/582 (including "z" models) > * 660ZX / 670ZX / 680ZX / 681ZX / 682ZX / > * BX-1/BX-2 > * BX-100/BX-125/BX-150/BX-300 > * LX-3/LX-5 > * ZX-7/ZX-9 > * RX-202/RX-303/RX-505 > * CR-1/CR-2/CR-4/CR-5/CR-7 > * Cassette Deck 1/Cassette Deck 1.5/Cassette Deck 2 > * DR-1/DR-2/DR-3/DR-8/DR-10 > * MR-1 / MR-2 > >Which is basically 1979 onwards > >Shaun > > >Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont >tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck >like > >new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of >experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new >status is enormous not to say stressful. > >Cheers >boogie > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Win a trip for four to a concert anywhere in the world! http://www.mobilelivetour.ca/ From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Apr 1 23:12:06 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:12:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Message-ID: In a message dated 4/1/2007 2:10:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! I'll ditto that! Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Apr 1 23:18:39 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:18:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] the horse is dead References: <585856.77982.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c774a3$5f834c40$31d417c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> May we now please have peace with this ESL and allied costs 'thing'--I humbly ask--the bones from the poor horse are already visible! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. Regards, Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: If anyone needs a cheaper repair quote for classic Nak work, in addition to Tom and Kannan may I suggest Willy Herman in the SF bay area. He's a retired Nak technician who is working out of his home in Orinda and still has some parts left over from his years as the owner of SF Stereo. He can be reached at - willyherm at gmail.com He's also selling some stuff on eBay under the screen name "willyherm" He's currently in the middle of a project of restoring his own 700ZXL. He showed me a little baggie of caps he had removed from it - looked like a bunch of little orange beetles - haha. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 1 23:19:39 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:19:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair In-Reply-To: <585856.77982.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c774a3$77fc6770$7300a8c0@Shaun> As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 1 23:21:47 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:21:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! In-Reply-To: <20070401140938.38706115943@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of bastard Sent: 01 April 2007 15:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] FACT: NakTalkers ARE insane!!! Ram, fellow Nakkers, To the big wide world outside the padded cell, do you really think we NakTalkers are sane!? We, who in the dim & distant past were innocent music lovers, somehow drifting to obsess over black & silver boxes of decaying electronics! We, who fuss over an obscure, outdated music technology, who covert our one 'special' brand to the exclusion of others, who aren't fulfilled with one example, but are compelled to multiple ownership. Apparently, the 'sane' folk all ditched their cassette decks & bought CD players when the multi-nationals told them to, & as we know they've since ditched those outdated old nails too, in favour of iPods! But we couldn't do that to our cherished friend 'Mr Nakamichi', could we? Fact is, we're all insane @ NakTalk, that's why we're on this list; likeminded company helps us feel normal! Bravo, Grant! Well said!! The 1000ZXL? From the moment you feast your eyes on it ... just listening to a couple of tracks ... You [Ram] know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Yes, it's totally over the top, the absolute zenith of the technology, the pinnacle of design & stunningly beautiful to boot! It was pure indulgence to build, pure indulgence to buy new & 27 years on, it's still pure indulgence! But one very pertinent detail has changed: Now it's old & worn out! If you crave that indulgence in 2007, then whatever ESL charge is the price of admission - period. Let's get this in perspective; there are plenty of audiophools paying alot more for phono cartridges than what ESL may charge to fully rebuild a ZXL. And one thing's a dead certainty: Two clapped out ZXLs won't make one new ZXL! And a refurbished ZXL should be near as damn it is to swearing a new ZXL. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2880 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:28:39 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <189996.43112.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, Bala has nurtured 2 zxls to perfect health. I am in touch with him regularly. Kannan I do not know with zxls,so I shall refrain from commenting. Tom Brucker has personally offered to repair my zxl and that speaks volumes about his capability. Parts are not a big deal for good techs. There are capacitors and transistors still being made that could be replaced by a competent tech in a snap. Electronics PCB spares( caps, resistors and other parts) are being made to better tolerances now than they were 35 years ago. I shall personally see to it that my ZXL is refurbished to perfection and then pass the information as to who did it when completed. We shall all benefit from this one experience....all of us Nakamichi lovers without losing our homes in fees to ESL and the like. Await my posting in August/September. Ram boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:53:55 +0100 > >The following are what B & W service: > > * Dragon > * 480/481/482 (including "z" models) > * 580/581/582 (including "z" models) > * 660ZX / 670ZX / 680ZX / 681ZX / 682ZX / > * BX-1/BX-2 > * BX-100/BX-125/BX-150/BX-300 > * LX-3/LX-5 > * ZX-7/ZX-9 > * RX-202/RX-303/RX-505 > * CR-1/CR-2/CR-4/CR-5/CR-7 > * Cassette Deck 1/Cassette Deck 1.5/Cassette Deck 2 > * DR-1/DR-2/DR-3/DR-8/DR-10 > * MR-1 / MR-2 > >Which is basically 1979 onwards > >Shaun > > >Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont >tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck >like > >new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of >experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new >status is enormous not to say stressful. > >Cheers >boogie > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Win a trip for four to a concert anywhere in the world! http://www.mobilelivetour.ca/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:30:37 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] the horse is dead In-Reply-To: <001201c774a3$5f834c40$31d417c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Message-ID: <316531.53656.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The horse will not be deboned until we find good reasonable doctors for our Naks...each and every one of them. Sorry. Now this is my one passion. Ram WMEDrewes wrote: May we now please have peace with this ESL and allied costs 'thing'--I humbly ask--the bones from the poor horse are already visible! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. Regards, Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: If anyone needs a cheaper repair quote for classic Nak work, in addition to Tom and Kannan may I suggest Willy Herman in the SF bay area. He's a retired Nak technician who is working out of his home in Orinda and still has some parts left over from his years as the owner of SF Stereo. He can be reached at - willyherm at gmail.com He's also selling some stuff on eBay under the screen name "willyherm" He's currently in the middle of a project of restoring his own 700ZXL. He showed me a little baggie of caps he had removed from it - looked like a bunch of little orange beetles - haha. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:31:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair In-Reply-To: <003901c774a3$77fc6770$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <182746.8131.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Shaun. Keep such lists coming day by day, one by one. Ram Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. Regards, Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 1 23:37:48 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:37:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective Message-ID: <27349250.1175463468117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> ---- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hey fellow Nakkers, > > I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the > range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something > in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power of money, not the cost of an object. Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than the originals. I see others on eBay pushing that calculator smoke screen and I bypass their auctions immediately. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:43:07 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: <27349250.1175463468117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <782221.74081.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland, This is the best weekend I am having , after I got this fee debate ignited. Never have had such response ever on anything. ESL is getting free publicity,albeit negative, on this issue. Its people like you with great common sense Roland that keep our group going. Kudos. Ram Roland wrote: ---- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > Hey fellow Nakkers, > > I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the > range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something > in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power of money, not the cost of an object. Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than the originals. I see others on eBay pushing that calculator smoke screen and I bypass their auctions immediately. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <48f7410666a949ea94be20d19b922df0.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Apr 2 00:38:40 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:38:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: <782221.74081.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782221.74081.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46103470.4000607@whiteapple.u-net.com> What a strange discussion group this is turning into, personal vendetta's seem to abound. If you don't like the ESL prices then just don't use them, why look for a way of "punishing" them for the temerity to charge more than you can afford! A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next for the self appointed guardians of probity? I think that Ferrari sports cars are overpriced, that's why I don't buy them, I can actually work that out all by myself! Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Roland, > > This is the best weekend I am having , after I got this fee debate > ignited. > > Never have had such response ever on anything. > > ESL is getting free publicity,albeit negative, on this issue. > > Its people like you with great common sense Roland that keep our group > going. > > Kudos. > Ram > > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 00:53:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070401225359.30789.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 2 00:56:23 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479083.1098.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:53:55 +0100 > >The following are what B & W service: > > * Dragon > * 480/481/482 (including "z" models) > * 580/581/582 (including "z" models) > * 660ZX / 670ZX / 680ZX / 681ZX / 682ZX / > * BX-1/BX-2 > * BX-100/BX-125/BX-150/BX-300 > * LX-3/LX-5 > * ZX-7/ZX-9 > * RX-202/RX-303/RX-505 > * CR-1/CR-2/CR-4/CR-5/CR-7 > * Cassette Deck 1/Cassette Deck 1.5/Cassette Deck 2 > * DR-1/DR-2/DR-3/DR-8/DR-10 > * MR-1 / MR-2 > >Which is basically 1979 onwards > >Shaun > > >Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont >tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck >like > >new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of >experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new >status is enormous not to say stressful. > >Cheers >boogie > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Win a trip for four to a concert anywhere in the world! http://www.mobilelivetour.ca/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 01:10:03 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:10:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair In-Reply-To: <003901c774a3$77fc6770$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Apr 2 01:23:30 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:23:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46103EF2.7000707@whiteapple.u-net.com> I have no problem accepting that you think Fred's belts are junk, I have no problem with Ram thinking that ESL's prices are outrageous, but why not just point these things out and then leave me with the right to make a judgement for myself. If I buy Fred's belts or get an ESL service I certainly could not say that I was unaware of the situation could I, after all the condemnation that has appeared recently. If someone wants to get worked up about the behaviour of others, there are far bigger issues worthy of indignation and outrage. Doug Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: > > A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next > for the self appointed guardians of probity? > > Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of > junk and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it > did. They weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they > were for, and they were twice as think as the originals. As far as > I'm concerned, that put the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts > are not just overpriced, they're junk. > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Apr 2 01:40:53 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:40:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <20070401225359.30789.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: See below: Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 23:54 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram [Nelson] Duh .... I'm not a tech and I doubt I could afford to buy a BX100 at the moment, not having been able to work for nigh on 18 months, so the only thing I'm challenged by is a lack of money! <> But if you think you can set up a financially viable service centre to rival ESL in the USA, well ... good luck! Really. Peace Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 01:51:40 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective Message-ID: <188306.62976.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are so outraged about spending $20 plus for a belt, but what have we done to offset $200 billion dollars of trade deficit with the Chinese? Nothing against them, but the other day I picked up a Motorola mobile phone - Made in China. An ipod - Made in China. Wait a minute, whats going on..? BG ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Locke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 7:23:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective I have no problem accepting that you think Fred's belts are junk, I have no problem with Ram thinking that ESL's prices are outrageous, but why not just point these things out and then leave me with the right to make a judgement for myself. If I buy Fred's belts or get an ESL service I certainly could not say that I was unaware of the situation could I, after all the condemnation that has appeared recently. If someone wants to get worked up about the behaviour of others, there are far bigger issues worthy of indignation and outrage. Doug Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: > > A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next > for the self appointed guardians of probity? > > Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of > junk and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it > did. They weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they > were for, and they were twice as think as the originals. As far as > I'm concerned, that put the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts > are not just overpriced, they're junk. > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. 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Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends Isy >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:08:34 +0100 > >Rick >I mean no offence but in fairness, it seems you want your cake and to eat >it. You wanted the job done on the cheap - it was and you were not >satisfied - and then you expect Jeff Galin to be help you out of this >situation with free advice after you took the bread from his mouth and gave >it to a tech you now admit was not up to the job. Put yourself in JG's >position and I think you'd feel Rick was taking advantage of you. >Peace >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of RICHARD FIne > Sent: 01 April 2007 04:42 > To: naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice > > > My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I >purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention >of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job >was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would >cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up >to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. > That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem >that >I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I�m an >electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I >asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been >much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his >answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... > > But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very >unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. > > Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. >it >is the responses I got that shock me.... > > I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing >business with Jeff Galin and ESL > > Rick >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps � find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From flifton at mac.com Mon Apr 2 02:19:44 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:19:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today In-Reply-To: <200704012257.l31MvOb6017758@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704012257.l31MvOb6017758@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <11EC4775-BD18-437C-90FE-2D2C60540E0F@mac.com> This is an interesting thread. I can certainly see Roland's point here, but does this law (products become cheaper and more efficient) really apply to vintage Naks? I would think the best way to determine what a Nak would cost today would be to figure out the "actual" cost of building one today. To be fair, you'd have to come up with values for parts as if they were new and available. My guess would be that today the actual cost of manufacturing would be somewhat less, given the current state of asian labor markets and advances in precision part manufacture. However, I think high-end audio retail mark-up is higher now, so perhaps a Nak would actually cost something close to it's original price? Coincidentally (or not?), I paid ESL about a $1000 to beautifully restore my $200 ebay ZX-7. That makes its total cost pretty close to its original retail... Jeff and his staff, btw, were courteous and professional at every turn and did absolutely excellent work. cheers, Fred On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:57 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Roland > Date: April 1, 2007 2:37:48 PM PDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: rjkent at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > ---- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >> Hey fellow Nakkers, > >> >> I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the >> range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to >> something >> in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. > > Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will > become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. > > The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power > of money, not the cost of an object. > > Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under > $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than > the originals. > > I see others on eBay pushing that calculator smoke screen and I > bypass their auctions immediately. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Mon Apr 2 02:37:35 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. References: <874143.73032.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c774bf$201aa0a0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> My Fellow Nalktalkers, We don't profess to be the cheapest or the fastest but we do profess to be the best. We have found that the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of the low price fades, and we think that years from now, while you are enjoying your beautiful deck, you will, too. You won't find a customer dissatisfied or disappointed with the performance of their Nakamichi deck after our experts perform a complete thorough overhaul. It's not magic, it's experience and unsurpassed craftsmanship! We still overhaul and refurbish the 1000ZXL, 700ZXL & 700ZXE as well as all the other classic machines. Tomorrow, we will be starting the 2nd week of an overhaul on a Gold 1000ZXL LIMITED. This process is usually a 2 week project. We are not slow at what we do, we take pride in doing the job right and perfection takes time. Over 300 parts will be used to refurbish this machine. And some of you think that we overcharge? We don't overcharge, we over work! Please remember that this is a hobby for most of you, but no longer for me. Many other servicers hang out on these hobby forums to solicit work. I don't. Do you have any idea the cost of doing business? As an Electrical Engineer, I would have been much better off if I did not convert my hobby into my business over 35 years ago. To my supporters, I thank you. To the others, oh well. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Wait a minute folks, I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for our Naks sake. But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable request for sincere service at a fair cost. There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is extortion. For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is bordering on that now. They were not as bad in 2005-2006. Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are getting tired of your high fees! Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. Respectfully, Ram "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Debates here seem to get even worse than ones on IBOC / Hybrid Digital radio in the FMTuners group on Yahoo, with about 2500 members. I agree that maybe the repair costs of a ZXL should be high since no more parts are being manufactured for it, and a few persons have the right tools to repair them. Try to find cheap NOS Mullard tubes, it's the same thing. But, say, my two BX-2s for example, they sell for nothing. The cheapest price I could find to be able to know what the problem with the decks was, to simply get them to be able to play a cassette, was at least $30 per unit(In a local Nak-certified repair shop that doesn't even know what aligning a tuner is : forget it). I have two good-for-nothing decks waiting to be repaired, I currently have $40 CAD - nothing else, and I would have to ship my units far away to know that it's probably just a few $5 rubber parts(Pinch rollers, idler) that are too old. Is there a way to get ANY old electronics working without paying at least $100? (I have two Nak BX-2s, a Superscope CD-330, a Sansui TU-D99X tuner and a Toshiba PC-G22 cassette desk that are screwed but I can't repair : Simply because tuners need people to have tons of expensive tools to work on them, and there's almost no help and information for cassette decks on the Internet(OK, there's naktalk, but the only thing I've been able to fix by going here is the cam motor, and to know that orange caps are the cause of my recording dropouts. Kermit tried to help much, but where is he now?) Isy Fidelman a écrit : > Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends > > Isy From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 03:00:22 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <503392.54158.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, The ZXL uses most of the alignment gauges standard to the decks running the classic mechanism. The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. The reason why most people are not able to service the ZXL series is that it requires a mixed knowledge of logic, computing and analogue circuits. More importantly, is a thorough understanding of how everything works in harmony. If you look at a deck like the CR7, chunks of circuits are replaced with complete ICs and so everything is so much simpler. Again, the CR7 nor any of the manual adjust decks isn't capable of customizing Eq like the the 1000ZXL. But a lot of myth seemed to have descended upon the ZXLs over the last few years. I am beginning to believe that the recent string of success stories with this machine are if any, a strong indicative that its just like any other Nakamichi deck which has its fair share of issues that need to be addressed. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:56:23 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. >From: "Shaun Montgomery" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:53:55 +0100 > >The following are what B & W service: > > * Dragon > * 480/481/482 (including "z" models) > * 580/581/582 (including "z" models) > * 660ZX / 670ZX / 680ZX / 681ZX / 682ZX / > * BX-1/BX-2 > * BX-100/BX-125/BX-150/BX-300 > * LX-3/LX-5 > * ZX-7/ZX-9 > * RX-202/RX-303/RX-505 > * CR-1/CR-2/CR-4/CR-5/CR-7 > * Cassette Deck 1/Cassette Deck 1.5/Cassette Deck 2 > * DR-1/DR-2/DR-3/DR-8/DR-10 > * MR-1 / MR-2 > >Which is basically 1979 onwards > >Shaun > > >Jeff has a monopoly and his only competitor is B&W in the UK and they dont >tackle the older machines. So Iam afraid if one really wants their deck >like > >new there is no other facility. Not anyone can service a ZXL regardless of >experience/knowledge because the challenge to complete the job to like new >status is enormous not to say stressful. > >Cheers >boogie > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Win a trip for four to a concert anywhere in the world! http://www.mobilelivetour.ca/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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SJ Max Havlik wrote: Thanx guys, I will have to figure out where exactly this is. On the right side looking at the front? ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Yup, that's what it is. On the right side of the machine it slides in between the switches and screws into the frame of the machine. SJ kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Looks like covering over the bias adjustment presets - to reduce HF leakage Kannan Max Havlik wrote: In regards to the silver colored part left over after reassembling my BX300, Thanx for all the replies, don't you just hate it when something is left over? 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 2 03:52:58 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:52:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: <20070401040914.MGMD24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070401040914.MGMD24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <461061FA.8010803@snet.net> Here's the deal. Jeff's shop is located less than 30 minutes from where I live. I know through an audio dealer with a decent in house tech that ESL is often backlogged on repairs in the order of about 6 weeks or so because they have a thriving business. The techs have a level of competency that is world class and they have at times set straight repairs that the local shop tech completely bungled... such as the very challenging calibration of the OMS-7 CD player. I recall a friend who had a Jaguar and used to marvel at the fact that every time he got an oil change it cost $600 because of the little incidental work that this complex machine required. I also know a guy who bought a Jaguar completely in parts and over two years he invested many hundred hours assembling it. What I'm getting at is that these are not simple machines that anyone can work on. You need special tools, gauges, tapes, etc. Ask anyone here who does serious repair work and they'll tell you to stay away unless you have the tools and knowledge. Now, if I brought a 22 year old Jaguar to the best shop in the country, told the guy I didn't have much history on it and asked what I should do, should I really be shocked if the answer is that most assemblies should be rebuilt and that several hundred hours at a reasonable (for top flight service) rate will cost a lot of money? Can I go elsewhere? Sure, my local garage can do the belts, muffler, and a brake job. They might even do them really well and it would cost thousands less. But would I pretend that the car had been rebuilt? Same with our Nakamichi's. Ask any of the tech wizards on this forum if tearing down a deck isn't a serious investment of time. Ask if certain transports aren't downright scary to deal with one you get to the little pieces. If you want to repair a deck piecemeal as things go wrong that's fine. BUT, if you have a machine that is 20 plus years old and want it to be as close to the day it left the factory as possible except that the performance has been tweaked by people who have been familiar with the product since the day the original product line was fleshed out, then there's only one option in the US and that would be ESL. If you think this is an endorsement for ESL, bear in mind that I've never been a customer even though I could drive there! I have a friend who wouldn't bring his tape deck anywhere else, but I can't afford to have my Naks rebuilt and restored the way Jeff would want to. I have spoken to him a number of times about very specific issues and think that if you stated that you want exactly XYZ done and nothing else regardless of Jeff's professional opinion and advice, the price is quite in line and reasonable. I will say that even if the repairs are overly complete, and the quality of work is overly good, and the price seems overly steep, I think that Jeff gets a bad rap within this group. There are a lot of people who will never realize the influence he exerted on Nakamichi toward the end of their interest in cassettes. Belts and other parts that are hard, but not impossible to find today have been available largely because of his efforts. If it seems like he's the only one with parts it's only because he had to take out large loans so that he could provide Nakamichi with the incentive to produce items by promising to buy essentially entire inventories. Ed From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 04:03:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <010801c774bf$201aa0a0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <67822.22180.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh well what Jeff? What?????????? jeff at eslabs.com wrote: My Fellow Nalktalkers, We don't profess to be the cheapest or the fastest but we do profess to be the best. We have found that the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of the low price fades, and we think that years from now, while you are enjoying your beautiful deck, you will, too. You won't find a customer dissatisfied or disappointed with the performance of their Nakamichi deck after our experts perform a complete thorough overhaul. It's not magic, it's experience and unsurpassed craftsmanship! We still overhaul and refurbish the 1000ZXL, 700ZXL & 700ZXE as well as all the other classic machines. Tomorrow, we will be starting the 2nd week of an overhaul on a Gold 1000ZXL LIMITED. This process is usually a 2 week project. We are not slow at what we do, we take pride in doing the job right and perfection takes time. Over 300 parts will be used to refurbish this machine. And some of you think that we overcharge? We don't overcharge, we over work! Please remember that this is a hobby for most of you, but no longer for me. Many other servicers hang out on these hobby forums to solicit work. I don't. Do you have any idea the cost of doing business? As an Electrical Engineer, I would have been much better off if I did not convert my hobby into my business over 35 years ago. To my supporters, I thank you. To the others, oh well. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Wait a minute folks, I am not recommending putting anyone out of business. We need ESL for our Naks sake. But ESL has to listen to us Naktalkers and heed to our reasonable request for sincere service at a fair cost. There high fees that are acceptable by todays standards. Then there is extortion. For lack of a better word, I use the term extortion. ESLs fees now is bordering on that now. They were not as bad in 2005-2006. Jeff Galin, I am sure you have read these for a while now. Please be considerate to all of use at Nak Talk. We are all your potential customers and know you are the best.....but at what price??? ESL should be remembered as the Nakamichi Mecca and not the service place that grossly overcharged......cause like it or not Naktalkers are getting tired of your high fees! Thanks for listening all, esp Jeff Galin. Respectfully, Ram "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/31/2007 10:37:06 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! 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They're lubricating and cleaning all the transport mechanisms and inspecting the capstan clearances with calipers. Maybe there's a mechanical alignment involved or maybe I'm just talking about one little part of a much bigger repair. The reason I've always felt Jeff gets a bad rap here is because the rate isn't really that inflated, In fact it's right in line with what you'd expect for people with decades of experience with these machines. It's the fact that Jeff doesn't want to send you out the door with three belts installed at $98 plus tax (or whatever it is). What happens in three months when the control motor develops a dead spot.. and how about next year when the idler tire starts chattering... Ed From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 2 04:24:23 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:24:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <20070401225359.30789.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070401225359.30789.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46106957.7030202@snet.net> I appreciate the crusade, but I would imagine that you'd be surprised by the response of any technician in this forum if you requested a complete rebuild/refurb of your deck to as close to new off the assembly line condition as possible, and then hot rod the calibration a little too. By the time any technician secured the parts and spent the number of hours that goes into the ESL service (assuming they have ALL the proper jigs), the price tag would not be far off from ESL. If that's not the service you require then there are already technicians who can do totally competent repair work. Even though Jeff's practically right in my town, I still sent my CR-7A to Stephen Sank in New Mexico because I didn't want a full rebuild or even a comprehensive tune-up. I knew exactly the repair I wanted and Jeff was willing to barter with a couple of other decks I had that I offered as partial payment. Yes, his hourly fee was less, but this kindness ultimately bled him to death as he had to leave the Naktalk group because he couldn't help but give free advice at the expense of getting even the paying work done. Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gra" > > I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at > a fair fee schedule than ESL. > > This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. > > Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in > the USA! > > I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. > > PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than > later. > Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 2 04:37:02 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:37:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING and oscilloscopes In-Reply-To: <461064A0.4060202@snet.net> References: <713840.1576.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <461064A0.4060202@snet.net> Message-ID: <46106C4E.6050606@yahoo.ca> Edward Noyes a écrit : > > The reason I've always felt Jeff gets a bad rap here is because the > rate isn't really that inflated, In fact it's right in line with what > you'd expect for people with decades of experience with these > machines. It's the fact that Jeff doesn't want to send you out the > door with three belts installed at $98 plus tax (or whatever it is). > What happens in three months when the control motor develops a dead > spot.. and how about next year when the idler tire starts chattering... That's exactly what I experienced after buying my first Nak in 2005, I bought it "just serviced" for $120, -3 days after I got it, cam motor to rebuild, dead spots, -after I rebuilt the cam motor, drive motor to rebuild, -after that, transport wiring harness starts to give up, still not fixed, -then, I notice that recording produces dropouts, probably orange caps, not fixed, I don't want to change every caps at $2 each, -then, treble on left channel started often disappearing, started destroying BASF normal tapes, it turns out that somewhere between the capstan and the pinch roller, there's something pushing the tape on the sides. Fix : putting the pinch roller spring tension on the other possible setting fixes the problem, but, while it works, the pinch roller pressure isn't supposed to be changed on this deck, so it's not the fix the transport should have. Now, after tinkering so much with the deck, the capstan's speed needs to be re-adjusted, as well as the azimuth. Once I'll change the recording section caps, it'll be the bias settings. I think I'd have to get a 'scope (For much other uses than repairing my old amps and tuners, building new stuff too), and start to learn how to adjust these decks, I can't afford getting things repaired. Now, it's time to get a part-time job to get an oscilloscope ;-) Now, remembering the older topics about the 465 oscilloscopes, I finally got the quote from the near-by store selling used test equipment : Does $450 CAD sound right for a 465B with two probes? There was a good post about the differences between the 465, 475, etc. but I see that the store has the 465/A/B and 475/475A , what do A/Bs have over the normal ones? What's the DM44 option offering? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 04:41:13 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <658570.33437.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This debate has become very heated, ands some prominent members have stayed away from saying anything about it. Jeff himself has pointed out that it isn't easy to do business, which I agree. Today's world is very competitive, with rising costs and diminishing margins. And hence businesses have to come up with ever innovative ways to stay afloat. Repairing a Nakamichi deck to many members here is simply replacing the faulty part/s and voila it works! But repair to a service tech is more then just that - its checking the health of the whole machine to ensure that everything is in spec. Not that a service tech can make a Dragon sound like a N-1000ZXL. But he ensures that a Dragon sounds and functions perfectly like a Dragon should. Refurbishment is a totally different issue altogether.It involves a complete tear-down, and for most of the Naks, many things can go wrong. It entails replacement of many mechanical and electrical parts, cleaning, lubrication..calibration and so on.. There's so much work and its very exhaustive. And its not just the ZXLs, ZXs or Dragons, but every deck. On that end, I can understand when Jeff quotes for a refurbishment of any given deck. It ensures that your deck works for the next decade or more without a spot of trouble. But, does the owner want that refurbishment? Does he want a complete overhaul or just a 'just get the thing working'? While we are arguing about fiercly about ESL's astronomical costs, we have ask ourselves, is ESL giving us what we ask for? I think Ram wanted to get his previously working ZXL going again, and that was just a repair job. It could have been, 'Hey Ram, your deck is working again, and while its here, do you want to do a check and alignment on this guy? I also found a few things amiss and we could take the time to fix it for you'. Now thats service. Given that the age of most of the decks are well above 10 years, most of the decks need a refurbish to sound new. Mainly because these things are not built to last for eternity, and like every other electro-mechanical device, it needs periodic care. But my question is, does the customer want it? Is it right to simply quote for a full re-furbish every time? Is it right to force the customer to accepting this by quoting him a full overhaul job? In my profession, I am the authorized service agent for the worlds best metal detectors for food, pharmaceutical and garment industries. The pharma customers do not ask questions nor hesitate and require that we come four times a year to perform a full calibration and purchase original spares only. We also have customers who run their machines until they fall apart and then call us as a final resort (just get the machine going customers). We service both ends accordingly and have commanded the trust and respect of all our clients. Because they trust that we know what is best for the machines, but we also respect the customer's wishes and demands. I think Jeff does not need to be taught how to do business, but he has to be customer oriented. I think by shying away from simpler service and spares requests, you are missing out on tremendous portion of income. Back in the hey-day of the decks, these might not have been substantial. But today more and more parts are wearing out and there is a every increasing of demand for spares - why miss out on that? Sure you don't need to solicit here or anywhere for business. But new comers and people who suddenly need service on their trusty Naks are not going to put you on the top of the list when they need service. If you need an example, consider Terry DeWick of DeWick repairs. He is a regular in another forum and has given enough repair tips to write a book on repairing McIntosh equipment. Yet people all over the world go to him to work on their McIntosh equipment. And mind you, my McIntosh MR78 is more expensive then the N-1000ZXL. Do you know how much he charges me for a full overhaul? Less then $1000. And he is fully recommended by McIntosh themselves ( and they too will work on your equipment). When I contacted him with regards to my spotty laser for a Mac cd player, he simply pointed out two ways - get a new laser or clean with some window cleaner. No 'your player needs a laser change, and do not attempt to touch it because it needs gauges jig and factory trained personnel' stories. That's service oriented and please Jeff - while we work with machines, we are people with feelings and a finite pocket. Try to balance the needs of the machines with the needs of your customers. Because its your customers who help you pay your rent, salaries and overheads. Best Regards, Bala G ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Mon Apr 2 06:07:05 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:07:05 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] re: ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: <200704011541.l31Ff9hG012265@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Robert, Right on the nail!!! One thing overlooked in the original 'bagging' over Dragon chassis mounts... ESL no doubt developed an upgrade out of necessity/longevity as an in-house 'fix'. For Jeff to supply to a third party, he would have to assemble a parts kit and write up some instructions as indicated., all of which takes time, and Jeff runs a business. As in car repairs, the actual part is often the least expensive component. I haven't encountered an unhappy ESL customer yet!.. or B&W customer, to play it straight.. myself included on both counts. A wee anecdote to explain... Over the years I have asisted my brother, who owns and runs a mechanics workshop, specialising in Honda tuning.. he has an excellent reputation for expertise and quality of work...which is a guaranteed 'crap' magnet.. Some of you wouldn't believe the number of ' spongers', 'wannabee's" and 'wally's" that come through the door, even to this day .. their sole intention being to bleed as much advice and 'how too' without any intention of ever paying a cent for it... you know,, "could you just have a look at this and tell me what's wrong" type... What these 'tyre kickers' forget is that younger bro' has to earn a living, and expertise is often 'proprietry' and that experience is my brother's most tradeable item!... regularly the cost of repair or the 'hot up' ( caps on backwards types) far exceeds the ability to pay... Hondata kits are not cheap.. then there is the fitting and tuning.. Often we used to " inflate" prices to get rid of the time wasters.. it is not a practise we are proud of... but is necessary. As it is, genuine customers can often consume over 25% of the day just in discussions and queries over the phone.. something that is impracticle to charge for. However, should one of those 'suspect customer's' actually want the repair carried out, they were never ripped off. The difference between quoted and actual was often a nice surprise, and good for customer relations :o). No doubt Jeff has seen his fair share of similar at ESL... One point I would echo though is: Jeff, could you please give a rough indication of what parts you can supply...at least in relation to model type?.. that way could possibly cut down on the number of 'nags' you receive from people like myself on a ' parts fishing ' expedition? ( in NZ, and probably Aussy.. the expertise is often still here, but usually no parts :o( , and the cost of shipping a deck overseas is prohibitive.. if I visited the US or UK.. a different story. I would pre-arrange and lug it with me) sorry for harping.. regards to all Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Apr 2 07:12:10 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:12:10 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem In-Reply-To: <46103470.4000607@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <782221.74081.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46103470.4000607@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070402171008.02246db0@paradise.net.nz> I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only shows 88:88. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance Brett From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 07:20:12 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:20:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective Message-ID: Bravo Robert! I completely agreed with you!!! For so...when my lovely gifted Dragon, will need a "Deeper" reparation...(Not only replacing Belts or some drop of oil), I will travel from Israel where I live to B&W in UK!. Peace,ALEX! From: rjkent at comcast.netTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:22:11 -0700Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective Hey fellow Nakkers, I’ve posted similar comments before over the years.....each time a new discussion breaks out regarding Jeff Galin’s fees for restorations. I have had five higher end Naks restored by ESL and I am very happy with all of them. I’ve also had tune-ups and repairs on numerous other decks done by Kannan and Tom Brucker at vastly lower costs, and I have been very happy with those as well, but they are tune-ups and repairs, and do not require the labor and rare parts investment of a re-build. You should select your service provider based on what you want, and what you think the value of a particular deck is. I personally would not send a CR-3 or a Cassette Deck One to ESL for a re-furb, the value is simply not there. My Dragon, 680ZX and CR-7 are another story however. I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something in the $5000 to $6000 range in today’s dollars. Some people want to have their decks...and other gear....in as close to new condition as possible......that is what you are paying for when you hire ESL to do a re-furbish. When you add the cost for a deck on ebay or audiogon to the cost of an ESL rebuild, you generally are in the range of what the decks cost new in the 80s, and still far below an adjusted ‘new’ value. As pointed out by another member....Gra’ I think, many audiophiles are spending huge amounts for esoteric pieces of equipment.....like $5000 for a phono cartridge. These Naks were, and are, esoteric audiophile equipment by any standard, and for that type of equipment, in ‘new’ condition, you must evaluate it’s value to you and select your repair/refurbish options accordingly. 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Put your 700/ll "Horizontally"...take out the shine metallic cassette door, & the 'Capstan housing"...you will find an a little hole for oiled them...use ONLY two drops... wait a least one hour so the oil will enter till the end of the capstans...that of course make after that you change the two belts. (BTW...Any Sewing machine oil...will be as good as the originally "Luma 100" that Nak sold me during 1978) Good luck & announce us the results after my advice...OK? Peace,ALEX! > From: adrian at thegreatbear.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved!> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:37:41 +0100> To: naktalk at naks.com> > hello again> > both pinchrollers look ok, there is no undue movement> > i made the open cassette and in play the tape is held firmly, there's > no curl or other movement that i can see.> > i guess i really need to check the tension now accurately.> > tom do you know the US cost of the Teac MTT8131? If it's alot cheaper > than the UK price I've got, I'll happily purchase one from you.> > > thanks> > adrian> > > > > On 30 Mar 2007, at 00:34, Hi Tech wrote:> > > Adrian,> > I can't watch your movie. A capstan can be bent when it is slid > > backwards,> > but not removed from the bearing. To verify, remove the 2 screws > > and the> > pitch knob on the azimuth plate. Watch the pinchroller in play if > > it moves> > to and fro, then the capstan is bent. I do not understand why the > > deck has> > no wow.> > Take a scrap cassette and cut the plastic on 1/2 of the shell so > > the area> > around the heads is exposed. Be sure not to remove the guides at > > each edge> > of the cassette. Remove the pressure pad. Load this "open cassette" > > into> > the deck and play. If the tape seems to curl away from the top or > > bottom> > edge of the head, try pulling the bent capstans pinch roller back a > > bit> > with a small tool. If the tape curl ceases, then you know the > > cause. If> > not, there may be tension or guide issues.> > The test bench method of verifying a bent capstan would be to use > > the> > Information Terminals M-300 jig as a master plane jig. It has a > > block that> > can verify what is perpendicular to the cassette,and what lies at > > an angle.> >> > tom brucker> >> > At 09:12 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote:> >> i'll look at each contact more carefully next time I open it up..> >>> >> I cannot see anything caught around the pinch roller bearings, Tom,> >> but what I can see somthing maybe more worrying:> >>> >>> >> the top capstan shaft is not running true.. it's got a very slight> >> wobble in it, you can see this quite clearly.> >>> >> I've managed to make a little movie of it, have a look here:> >>> >> http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/700II_capstan.MOV> >>> >> it's not the best, but you can make out the wobble, look at it's> >> shadow about too..> >>> >> the previous owner replaced the capstan belt, so he would have> >> removed each flywheel and capstan, could a shaft have got bent or is> >> it more likely to be the bearing?> >>> >> using Luis's calibration tapes I can't hear any obvious speed> >> variation, but I can definately hear level variation in recordings...> >>> >>> >>> >> adrian> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 29 Mar 2007, at 15:54, Hi Tech wrote:> >>> >>> With a pointy tool apply a bit of pressure to each gold finger> >>> inside the> >>> connector so that the finger ends up a bit closer to the middle.> >>> Get rid of> >>> the foam. There may be a sheen of silicone polish causing the touch> >>> controls to be internittent. Detergent cleaning?> >>> The Teac torque gauge is the standard...that was what Nak shipped.> >>> I did> >>> not know there were different versions. They type I have has 0-120> >>> gram-cm> >>> scales, and "SRK-CT" on it. The tape travel cassette, or open> >>> cassette is> >>> also ok from Teac. It has a mirror that permits viewing the tape > >>> as it> >>> moves across the head and guides. Small amounts of tape curl can be> >>> easily> >>> detected. The more likely pinch roller problem is cotton stuck in> >>> the> >>> bearings. Inspect. There is a gentleman on eBay that rebuilds all> >>> pinchrollers for a flat amount. I have heard he does a good job. If> >>> the> >>> rubber is crowned, or has deep grooves, you may need rollers, but a> >>> deck in> >>> this condition would have serious head wear.> >>> The 700 and 1000 calibrate, in theory, as well as, say a> >>> 680, but in> >>> practice the 20kHz playback stability is not as good as later> >>> decks. When I> >>> set these up I adjust for flat at 18kHz, and expect 20kHz to be> >>> -2dB or> >>> better. Adjusting the bias to get flat at 20 often increases the> >>> harmonic> >>> distortion beyond spec, which has a detrimental effect on> >>> recording. The> >>> deck also may be set for CrO2 tape. Check the rear panel record cal> >>> control> >>> adjustments.> >>> The 700 and 1000 are worth owning for their beauty, mic inputs> >>> (1000 has> >>> a blend mic fader), pitch control, and solid transport.> >>> tom brucker> >>>> >>>> >>> At 12:33 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote:> >>>> hello again> >>>>> >>>> mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both> >>>> directions ok now but I now have some other problems..> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record,> >>>> pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes> >>>> pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!!> >>>> I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later> >>>> and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam > >>>> pad to> >>>> gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts > >>>> for> >>>> the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could> >>>> put too much pressure on the PCB joints..> >>>>> >>>> I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF> >>>> compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as> >>>> long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape> >>>> mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first.> >>>>> >>>> I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according> >>>> to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual> >>>> states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other > >>>> makes> >>>> still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son > >>>> Ltd.> >>>> can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. > >>>> Am I> >>>> right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range > >>>> for> >>>> the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable?> >>>>> >>>> DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can> >>>> the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to > >>>> check> >>>> for waving or slippage?> >>>>> >>>> My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and> >>>> definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my> >>>> options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel > >>>> ones?> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> thanks> >>>>> >>>> adrian> >>>>> >>>> p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok?> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> hello again> >>>>>> >>>>> it looks like i've fixed my problem!> >>>>>> >>>>> thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I > >>>>> don't> >>>>> have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed> >>>>> with it, I though I could do no harm!> >>>>>> >>>>> I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the> >>>>> brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual> >>>>> indication of torque)> >>>>>> >>>>> this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on> >>>>> RW..> >>>>>> >>>>> now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually> >>>>> increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my> >>>>> guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no> >>>>> folding tape and the FF autostop works now!> >>>>>> >>>>> I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any> >>>>> tape torque meters still available?> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> thanks> >>>>>> >>>>> adrian> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for the help tom..> >>>>>>> >>>>>> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and > >>>>>> S.M.> >>>>>> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up> >>>>>> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the> >>>>>> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue..> >>>>>>> >>>>>> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until > >>>>>> now...> >>>>>> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to> >>>>>> mine (he delivered)> >>>>>>> >>>>>> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape> >>>>>> folding> >>>>>>> >>>>>> FF is fine but no autostop> >>>>>>> >>>>>> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in> >>>>>> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not> >>>>>> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or> >>>>>> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to> >>>>>> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then> >>>>>> pause or nothing happen.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight..> >>>>>>> >>>>>> thanks again> >>>>>>> >>>>>> adrian> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian,> >>>>>>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a> >>>>>>> photo> >>>>>>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle,> >>>>>>> causing it> >>>>>>> to bind.> >>>>>>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a> >>>>>>> complex> >>>>>>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long> >>>>>>> lasting, but it> >>>>>>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, > >>>>>>> perhaps a> >>>>>>> tire is> >>>>>>> slipping?> >>>>>>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper> >>>>>>> take up> >>>>>>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch> >>>>>>> roller> >>>>>>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the> >>>>>>> beginning, but not> >>>>>>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> tom brucker> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote:> >>>>>>>> hello all> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection...> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> seemed like a good buy...> >>>>>>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last> >>>>>>>> year> >>>>>>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there..> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop..> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not> >>>>>>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech..> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FF and RW seem fast though..> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF > >>>>>>>> shutoff> >>>>>>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons> >>>>>>>> for this..> >>>>>>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is..> >>>>>>>> this is> >>>>>>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin?> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working> >>>>>>>> properly.. I> >>>>>>>> hope I can.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> adrian> >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>>> =========> >>>>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>>> =========> >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ > >>>>>>>> listinfo/> >>>>>>>> naktalk> >>>>>>>> ========------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>>> =========> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Brucker CSM> >>>>>>> Hi Tech Service > >>>>>>> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> >>>>>>> Nashville, TN 37211> >>>>>>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> >>>>>>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net> >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -> >>>>>>> =========> >>>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -> >>>>>>> =========> >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/ > >>>>>>> listinfo/> >>>>>>> naktalk> >>>>>>> ========-------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -> >>>>>>> =========> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------> >>>>>> =========> >>>>>> Register your Nak today! 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It s nice to know what our repair options are on both sides of the Atlantic especially now that both my CR3 and BX125 need servicing (haven t had any trouble with my beloved CR7 since i purchased it new in 1993 and i hope it stays that way for another 14 years) perhaps seeking out and sharing info on Nak service people should be what our fellow Nakers' focus should be on the reapair/rebuilding front and just let ESL remain another option. Have you got a web address or phone number for MD audio. A Google search yielded no results. Thanks martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Montgomery" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:19:39 +0100 As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. 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Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: 02 April 2007 09:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Details are on Google etc [on the Idorset site] but no own website MD Audio Visual 167 Barrack Road Christchurch Dorset BH23 2AP Telephone: 01202 473901 Magnify telephone number Fax: 01202 473901 Mobile: Not listed Contact Name: Not listed ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair as i listen to Ralph Towner's guitar on my CR7 i want to thank you Shaun for letting us know about MD Audio Visual in the UK. It s nice to know what our repair options are on both sides of the Atlantic especially now that both my CR3 and BX125 need servicing (haven t had any trouble with my beloved CR7 since i purchased it new in 1993 and i hope it stays that way for another 14 years) perhaps seeking out and sharing info on Nak service people should be what our fellow Nakers' focus should be on the reapair/rebuilding front and just let ESL remain another option. Have you got a web address or phone number for MD audio. A Google search yielded no results. Thanks martin _____ From: "Shaun Montgomery" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:19:39 +0100 As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 31/03/2007 20:54 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: magnify.gif Type: image/gif Size: 889 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Apr 2 13:07:17 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:07:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 Message-ID: After looking into the insides of my 550 portable Nak I may have disturbed something for my first field recording had nothing on the right channel. After disassembly and careful reassembly the recording is back on the right channel but not perfectly. After recording, the right channel has some distortion in the playback. I replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made no difference. Also the bias setting does not come up fully in the right channel. I then discovered that this does not occur with the normal tape setting. Only with the CrO2 setting. Same with mic or line input and dolby makes no difference. Can anyone suggest where to look for the cause, please? David From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 15:00:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <658570.33437.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610598.49539.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I an notgoing to top that one and I am ending this debate right here. Thanks everyone for participating. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: This debate has become very heated, ands some prominent members have stayed away from saying anything about it. Jeff himself has pointed out that it isn't easy to do business, which I agree. Today's world is very competitive, with rising costs and diminishing margins. And hence businesses have to come up with ever innovative ways to stay afloat. Repairing a Nakamichi deck to many members here is simply replacing the faulty part/s and voila it works! But repair to a service tech is more then just that - its checking the health of the whole machine to ensure that everything is in spec. Not that a service tech can make a Dragon sound like a N-1000ZXL. But he ensures that a Dragon sounds and functions perfectly like a Dragon should. Refurbishment is a totally different issue altogether.It involves a complete tear-down, and for most of the Naks, many things can go wrong. It entails replacement of many mechanical and electrical parts, cleaning, lubrication..calibration and so on.. There's so much work and its very exhaustive. And its not just the ZXLs, ZXs or Dragons, but every deck. On that end, I can understand when Jeff quotes for a refurbishment of any given deck. It ensures that your deck works for the next decade or more without a spot of trouble. But, does the owner want that refurbishment? Does he want a complete overhaul or just a 'just get the thing working'? While we are arguing about fiercly about ESL's astronomical costs, we have ask ourselves, is ESL giving us what we ask for? I think Ram wanted to get his previously working ZXL going again, and that was just a repair job. It could have been, 'Hey Ram, your deck is working again, and while its here, do you want to do a check and alignment on this guy? I also found a few things amiss and we could take the time to fix it for you'. Now thats service. Given that the age of most of the decks are well above 10 years, most of the decks need a refurbish to sound new. Mainly because these things are not built to last for eternity, and like every other electro-mechanical device, it needs periodic care. But my question is, does the customer want it? Is it right to simply quote for a full re-furbish every time? Is it right to force the customer to accepting this by quoting him a full overhaul job? In my profession, I am the authorized service agent for the worlds best metal detectors for food, pharmaceutical and garment industries. The pharma customers do not ask questions nor hesitate and require that we come four times a year to perform a full calibration and purchase original spares only. We also have customers who run their machines until they fall apart and then call us as a final resort (just get the machine going customers). We service both ends accordingly and have commanded the trust and respect of all our clients. Because they trust that we know what is best for the machines, but we also respect the customer's wishes and demands. I think Jeff does not need to be taught how to do business, but he has to be customer oriented. I think by shying away from simpler service and spares requests, you are missing out on tremendous portion of income. Back in the hey-day of the decks, these might not have been substantial. But today more and more parts are wearing out and there is a every increasing of demand for spares - why miss out on that? Sure you don't need to solicit here or anywhere for business. But new comers and people who suddenly need service on their trusty Naks are not going to put you on the top of the list when they need service. If you need an example, consider Terry DeWick of DeWick repairs. He is a regular in another forum and has given enough repair tips to write a book on repairing McIntosh equipment. Yet people all over the world go to him to work on their McIntosh equipment. And mind you, my McIntosh MR78 is more expensive then the N-1000ZXL. Do you know how much he charges me for a full overhaul? Less then $1000. And he is fully recommended by McIntosh themselves ( and they too will work on your equipment). When I contacted him with regards to my spotty laser for a Mac cd player, he simply pointed out two ways - get a new laser or clean with some window cleaner. No 'your player needs a laser change, and do not attempt to touch it because it needs gauges jig and factory trained personnel' stories. That's service oriented and please Jeff - while we work with machines, we are people with feelings and a finite pocket. Try to balance the needs of the machines with the needs of your customers. Because its your customers who help you pay your rent, salaries and overheads. Best Regards, Bala G ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 2 15:12:42 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:12:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RESTORATION / REFURBISHING and oscilloscopes In-Reply-To: <46106C4E.6050606@yahoo.ca> References: <713840.1576.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <461064A0.4060202@snet.net> <46106C4E.6050606@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <4611014A.1040507@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Edward Noyes a écrit : >> >> The reason I've always felt Jeff gets a bad rap here is because the >> rate isn't really that inflated, In fact it's right in line with what >> you'd expect for people with decades of experience with these >> machines. It's the fact that Jeff doesn't want to send you out the >> door with three belts installed at $98 plus tax (or whatever it is). >> What happens in three months when the control motor develops a dead >> spot.. and how about next year when the idler tire starts chattering... > That's exactly what I experienced after buying my first Nak in 2005, I > bought it "just serviced" for $120, > -3 days after I got it, cam motor to rebuild, dead spots, > -after I rebuilt the cam motor, drive motor to rebuild, > -after that, transport wiring harness starts to give up, still not fixed, > -then, I notice that recording produces dropouts, probably orange caps, > not fixed, I don't want to change every caps at $2 each, > -then, treble on left channel started often disappearing, started > destroying BASF normal tapes, it turns out that somewhere between the > capstan and the pinch roller, there's something pushing the tape on the > sides. Fix : putting the pinch roller spring tension on the other > possible setting fixes the problem, but, while it works, the pinch > roller pressure isn't supposed to be changed on this deck, so it's not > the fix the transport should have. > > Now, after tinkering so much with the deck, the capstan's speed needs to > be re-adjusted, as well as the azimuth. Once I'll change the recording > section caps, it'll be the bias settings. > > I think I'd have to get a 'scope (For much other uses than repairing my > old amps and tuners, building new stuff too), and start to learn how to > adjust these decks, I can't afford getting things repaired. Now, it's > time to get a part-time job to get an oscilloscope ;-) > Now, remembering the older topics about the 465 oscilloscopes, I finally > got the quote from the near-by store selling used test equipment : Does > $450 CAD sound right for a 465B with two probes? Depends on condition and whether calibrated, but pretty high. I paid well under half for a nice (but by no means mint) 465B, calibrated 'unofficially', no probes, a couple of years ago. A pair of new 100MHz probes (not Tek) set me back $40. I am not sure what the CAD vs. the USD rate is nowadays. > There was a good post about the differences between the 465, 475, etc. > but I see that the store has the 465/A/B and 475/475A , what do A/Bs > have over the normal ones? The 475 series are higher frequency 'scopes. Higher price and no advantage over the 465 for audio work. The 465A is an improvement. The 465B is a significant upgrade/redesign. It is said to be one of Tek's best 'scopes, ever. Search Google for the specs and descriptions, you'll find a ton. Complete service manual on Tomas' site. > What's the DM44 option offering? The DM44 is a DMM addition (sits on top of the 'scope). I don't have it on mine but used it and similar ones at work for many years. Nice to have but by no means essential (I have a 0.5% Triplet DMM). I believe it doesn't add that much to used 'scope prices. -- Ron From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 2 15:42:49 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:42:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL / FREDS BELTS and JEFF's W's __STATEMENT In-Reply-To: <4611008E.60109@marrscommunications.com> References: <200704020022.l320MmS0018886@zxe.naks.com> <4611008E.60109@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46110859.8040306@marrscommunications.com> > Well I'll be damned, I have my 1st complaint, and to my SURPRISE who do > you think it might be from? That's right, it's JEFF W.! Now isn't it > funny I have not heard anything from the customer? Jeff, IF I receive a > complaint from a customer about ANY issue, I make it right. If belt size > is incorrect, it is replaced. If a refund is requested it is given once > the belts are returned. If my interchange information is incorrect, the > customer is offered a full refund. The following is also offered: If the > customer will return my new belts along with his old belts, which allows > me to make corrections to my interchange / application information, the > customers old belts along with a NEW set are sent FREE OF CHARGE > INCLUDING POSTAGE, for their trouble. I am not aware of WHICH customer > you had purchase a kit so you could make a statement like you have, but > something told me where my 1st complaint would come from. IF you are > really attempting to solve the belt "problem" for this group, then you > have discovered that is easier said than done. And when you THINK you > have it solved, you WILL find, incorrect belt application or > interchange mistakes that must be corrected. So where is YOUR answer to > this belt "problem". You are just now reaching the point where I was 9 > months ago, when I made the decision to offer my belt kits. Please have > YOUR customer contact me for a full refund. He can also KEEP my belts, > because no matter what I do to correct the problem, YOUR opinion of MY > belts will always remain the same. You are the typical type of person, > the rest of us who have actually DONE something, expect we have to deal > with in life. Grow up and DO something Son. To the REST of the group: > I was invited to join this group by a existing member, and want everyone > to be aware, my belt kits were for sale on eBay before I even new this > group EXISTED. I did not show up here to sell or defend ANYTHING. If you > feel my kit prices are too expensive, you always have the option of pick > a choose from several vendors that offer you the SAME product. If you > elect to purchase my kits, where my product is NOT the same, and my > "make it right" policy stands, your business would be appreciated. This > WILL be my final post on THIS subject but I must confess, it appears > this group is more about who has the biggest _______ rather than common > interest, and that is just B.S. Talk is cheap. Fred > > naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >>Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >>Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: ESL Another Perspective (Bansijeff at aol.com) >> 2. RE: Cheaper quality advice & repair (martinferreira at hotmail.com) >> 3. Re: ESL Another Perspective (Doug Locke) >> 4. RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive >> advice. (Graham Nelson) >> 5. Re: ESL Another Perspective (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >> 6. RE: re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice (Isy Fidelman) >> 7. Value of Nak today (Fred Lifton) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:57:32 EDT >>From: Bansijeff at aol.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >>In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: >> >>A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next >>for the self appointed guardians of probity? >> >> >> >>Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of junk >>and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it did. They >>weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they were for, and they >>were twice as think as the originals. As far as I'm concerned, that put >>the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts are not just overpriced, they're >>junk. >>Jeff W >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/7359b615/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:10:03 +0000 >>From: >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/1330039f/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:23:30 +0100 >>From: Doug Locke >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <46103EF2.7000707 at whiteapple.u-net.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>I have no problem accepting that you think Fred's belts are junk, I have >>no problem with Ram thinking that ESL's prices are outrageous, but why >>not just point these things out and then leave me with the right to make >>a judgement for myself. >>If I buy Fred's belts or get an ESL service I certainly could not say >>that I was unaware of the situation could I, after all the condemnation >>that has appeared recently. >>If someone wants to get worked up about the behaviour of others, there >>are far bigger issues worthy of indignation and outrage. >> >>Doug >> >> >>Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: >>> >>> A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next >>> for the self appointed guardians of probity? >>> >>>Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of >>>junk and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it >>>did. They weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they >>>were for, and they were twice as think as the originals. As far as >>>I'm concerned, that put the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts >>>are not just overpriced, they're junk. >>>Jeff W >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>See what's free at AOL.com >>>. >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:40:53 +0100 >>From: "Graham Nelson" >>Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive >> advice. >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>See below: >> >>Gra' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >>Of shanti ramachandran >> Sent: 01 April 2007 23:54 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. >> >> >> Gra" >> >> I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a >>fair fee schedule than ESL. >> >> This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. >> >> Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the >>USA! >> >> I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. >> >> PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than >>later. >> Ram >> [Nelson] Duh .... I'm not a tech and I doubt I could afford to buy a BX100 >>at the moment, not having been able to work for nigh on 18 months, so the >>only thing I'm challenged by is a lack of money! <> But if you >>think you can set up a financially viable service centre to rival ESL in the >>USA, well ... good luck! Really. >> >> Peace >> >> Gra' >> >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070402/aef551bf/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 5 >>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <188306.62976.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>We are so outraged about spending $20 plus for a belt, but what have we done to offset $200 billion dollars of trade deficit with the Chinese? Nothing against them, but the other day I picked up a Motorola mobile phone - Made in China. An ipod - Made in China. Wait a minute, whats going on..? >> >>BG >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: Doug Locke >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 7:23:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective >> >>I have no problem accepting that you think Fred's belts are junk, I have >>no problem with Ram thinking that ESL's prices are outrageous, but why >>not just point these things out and then leave me with the right to make >>a judgement for myself. >>If I buy Fred's belts or get an ESL service I certainly could not say >>that I was unaware of the situation could I, after all the condemnation >>that has appeared recently. >>If someone wants to get worked up about the behaviour of others, there >>are far bigger issues worthy of indignation and outrage. >> >>Doug >> >> >>Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: >>> >>> A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next >>> for the self appointed guardians of probity? >>> >>>Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of >>>junk and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it >>>did. They weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they >>>were for, and they were twice as think as the originals. As far as >>>I'm concerned, that put the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts >>>are not just overpriced, they're junk. >>>Jeff W >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>See what's free at AOL.com >>>. >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Don't pick lemons. >>See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >>http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/f10593b9/attachment-0001.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 6 >>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:07:55 +0000 >>From: "Isy Fidelman" >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >>I have emailed Jeff 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years and he has been >>very clear and right with things. >>Everything has a cost and working Naks is not that easy. >>As Graham says the person you chose didn't feel your expectations so that is >>not Jeff's fault. >>Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends >> >>Isy >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Graham Nelson" >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice >>>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:08:34 +0100 >>> >>>Rick >>>I mean no offence but in fairness, it seems you want your cake and to eat >>>it. You wanted the job done on the cheap - it was and you were not >>>satisfied - and then you expect Jeff Galin to be help you out of this >>>situation with free advice after you took the bread from his mouth and gave >>>it to a tech you now admit was not up to the job. Put yourself in JG's >>>position and I think you'd feel Rick was taking advantage of you. >>>Peace >>>Gra' >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>>Behalf >>>Of RICHARD FIne >>> Sent: 01 April 2007 04:42 >>> To: naktalk >>> Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice >>> >>> >>> My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I >>>purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention >>>of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job >>>was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would >>>cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up >>>to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. >>> That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem >>>that >>>I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I’m an >>>electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I >>>asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been >>>much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his >>>answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... >>> >>> But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very >>>unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. >>> >>> Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. >>>it >>>is the responses I got that shock me.... >>> >>> I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing >>>business with Jeff Galin and ESL >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you >>need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 7 >>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:19:44 -0700 >>From: Fred Lifton >>Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: <11EC4775-BD18-437C-90FE-2D2C60540E0F at mac.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>This is an interesting thread. I can certainly see Roland's point >>here, but does this law (products become cheaper and more efficient) >>really apply to vintage Naks? I would think the best way to determine >>what a Nak would cost today would be to figure out the "actual" cost >>of building one today. To be fair, you'd have to come up with values >>for parts as if they were new and available. >> >>My guess would be that today the actual cost of manufacturing would >>be somewhat less, given the current state of asian labor markets and >>advances in precision part manufacture. However, I think high-end >>audio retail mark-up is higher now, so perhaps a Nak would actually >>cost something close to it's original price? >> >>Coincidentally (or not?), I paid ESL about a $1000 to beautifully >>restore my $200 ebay ZX-7. That makes its total cost pretty close to >>its original retail... Jeff and his staff, btw, were courteous and >>professional at every turn and did absolutely excellent work. >> >>cheers, >>Fred >> >>On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:57 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>From: Roland >>>Date: April 1, 2007 2:37:48 PM PDT >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Cc: rjkent at comcast.net >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> >>> >>>---- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hey fellow Nakkers, >>>> >>>> >>>>I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the >>>>range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to >>>>something >>>>in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. >>>> >>>> >>>Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will >>>become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. >>> >>>The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power >>>of money, not the cost of an object. >>> >>>Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under >>>$7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than >>>the originals. >>> >>>I see others on eBay pushing that calculator smoke screen and I >>>bypass their auctions immediately. >>> >>> >>> >> >>-------------- next part -------------- >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070401/1d02d3dc/attachment.html >> >>------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 12 >>*************************************** >> >> >> >> From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Apr 2 15:54:01 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:54:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice In-Reply-To: <577999.53416.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <577999.53416.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A3B7@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Well, I've been trying to avoid this... but... A cassette deck, especially a 1000ZXL, is a fetish item. Yea, they sound great when they work, and they are a load of fun to tinker with, but a $300 CD-R unit will make recording just as good, if not better. If sound quality for the money is your ultimate goal, you could get a $100 SACD/upsampling player that would absolutely obliterate the best source items from the 1980s at ten, even twenty, times the price. 1000ZXLs cost so much because they are rare, they are visually stunning, and they are IN DEMAND, which is ultimately the biggest driver of price. ESL can charge what they do, because they are one of the few places that can repair these things. Supply and demand, the most basic of economic principals. Low supply + high demand = REALLY HIGH PRICES. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Apr 2 16:38:41 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:38:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: <200704020022.l320MmRx018886@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704020022.l320MmRx018886@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: What a coincidence this is: This is precisely my concern about Bob Toephers Vintage Electronics belts for the 300 ..... thicker, one third shorter and until I hear otherwise they wont be going anywhere near my deck ...... I believe the tension would cause damage ...... do you think he has sent me the wrong ones Jeff as you recomended his supply of belts .... unfortunately he supplied no part or stock number with his order so I only have the fact they are 163mm long to refer to. ian scotland From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: ESL Another Perspective In a message dated 4/1/2007 3:46:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, doug at whiteapple.u-net.com writes: A short while ago it was a crime to sell over priced belts, what next for the self appointed guardians of probity? Just yesterday I saw a belt set sold by Fred on eBay. It was a lot of junk and it didn't remotely resemble the OEM belts that he claimed it did. They weren't even the right length for the model he claimed they were for, and they were twice as think as the originals. As far as I'm concerned, that put the whole controversy to rest - Fred's belts are not just overpriced, they're junk. Jeff W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Apr 2 16:47:51 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:47:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Another Perspective In-Reply-To: <27349250.1175463468117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <27349250.1175463468117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <695213tjvkkofapv3fnknleo7g431a676k@4ax.com> On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:37:48 -0400, Roland wrote: > >---- rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >> Hey fellow Nakkers, > >> >> I would remind everyone that the higher end Nak decks sold new in the >> range of $1400 to $2500 in the 80s......this would equate to something >> in the $5000 to $6000 range in today's dollars. > >Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. > >The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power of money, not the cost of an object. Such calculators do not take into account wether or not that object can be obtained new as retail today. You may be lucky to get a still sealed boxed NAK today but it is rare and usually the price goes to show it. A Nak that has not beenused since it was made 20+ years ago will need work on the belts and any idlers with rubber on them, and perhaps also the grease in some places. And when you buy new you get a warranty, you don't get that if you buy a sealed box 20+ years old today. >Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than the originals. That is a recent object for which there is still research and development being done to enhance the product. In fact if you can live with plasma screens with technology that is 1-2 generations behind they are much cheaper. Not nesecarily bad or poor but older design that is cheaper because the development costs have been recouped. >I see others on eBay pushing that calculator smoke screen and I bypass their auctions immediately. A little salt is all you need to take to understand the price comments when sellers hype the wares. If you have no appreciation for object that are no longer manufactured, and for which there are no new replacement parts, then you are blind to facts. You need to remember that by and large cassettes are history and they and their related technology doesn't get cheaper just because you think it should. Marketing mechanisms are at work that dictate what it cost today if it was expensive before, and not that many were sold how could it become cheper used now if there is still a lot of people who wan it and can and will pay for it? Those people who throw lots of money at cassette decks today are the people who would do the csame for factory new stuff earlier. But they can't and they have others reasons for now buying cheap and restoring themselves, such as but not limited to, inability to sacrifice the time to restore, don't know how to restore, have no skills with electronics, aren't very technical. -Mikkel From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 16:57:43 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL Message-ID: <562311.53923.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Derrick, Well thats a really realistic way to look at cassettes. I have the sony W33 cd-recorder which is incredible as it can record live sound without sacrificing the dynamics - and sure it trumps some of Nakamichi's best efforts. Back when the ZXL was released, my dad was another young man, fighting the tide and trying to root himself. Money was scarce, and work was even more scarce. Having to hang on the his job, and trying to build a family and his love for music there was only that much he could afford. Those were the best years of his life, nevertheless and the best in the world were those big bold Nakamichi ZXL decks that he could only flaunt on store-fronts. Today, in his greying years, a chance to listen to the ZXLs is like going back in a time machine to those golden years. Finally being able to play his yellowing but very precious tapes on these great machine. When his N-1000ZXL had a capacitor problem last year, I saw his eyes filled with sadness, and anxiety. As he watched tv while I worked on his baby late nights and brought it back to its peak. I used to wonder, but now I know, how much this would have meant to many of those who still go back to their golden days thanks to these beautiful time machines. From a technical point of you, a CD is brick-walled at 20kHz and it only goes so high. And SACD? they never had half the sweetness and appeal of cassettes. The N-1000ZXL goes sky high with a frequency response way beyond 30kHz right down to below 10Hz. Besides specs, most important is the sweet treble with the incredible sound-stage and micro and macro dynamics. Something you can achieve with careful usage of digital mastering equipment or careless recording on an ABLE-caled cassette tape. You choose. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 9:54:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice Well, I’ve been trying to avoid this… but… A cassette deck, especially a 1000ZXL, is a fetish item. Yea, they sound great when they work, and they are a load of fun to tinker with, but a $300 CD-R unit will make recording just as good, if not better. If sound quality for the money is your ultimate goal, you could get a $100 SACD/upsampling player that would absolutely obliterate the best source items from the 1980s at ten, even twenty, times the price. 1000ZXLs cost so much because they are rare, they are visually stunning, and they are IN DEMAND, which is ultimately the biggest driver of price. ESL can charge what they do, because they are one of the few places that can repair these things. Supply and demand, the most basic of economic principals. Low supply + high demand = REALLY HIGH PRICES. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Apr 2 17:13:37 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:13:37 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net In-Reply-To: <562311.53923.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562311.53923.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A3BA@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> CDs are brick walled at 22kHz aren't they? But they can go down to about 5Hz (at least that's what my manual tells me!) :-) Anyhow, the aforementioned 192KHz upsampling effectively recreates the spatial loss (I don't think many, even any, of his can hear over 20KHz). SACD do not have this problem, and the ones I have sound absolutely stellar. The quality of sound on CDs is dramatically increasing. Very rarely do you get those 1988 quality ear-bleeders (which were probably straight transfers from tape anyway, clipped and compressed at the hands of some digital newbie). I just can't see any comparison between a DSD remastered SACD and a pre-recorded cassette, on ANY machine. I have a couple on both, and it's not even in the same ballpark even with a tape deck that in real money terms, cost about 4 times what my SACD player cost. But I like recording to cassette, easier and less finiky, and I just have more fun doing it. And of course with a nice Nak, the sound quality is great, no doubt. The difference between my CR-5 and Cass Deck 2 is HUGE. I can't even listen to stuff recorded on the latter, but it's playback is pretty good. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Derrick, Well thats a really realistic way to look at cassettes. I have the sony W33 cd-recorder which is incredible as it can record live sound without sacrificing the dynamics - and sure it trumps some of Nakamichi's best efforts. Back when the ZXL was released, my dad was another young man, fighting the tide and trying to root himself. Money was scarce, and work was even more scarce. Having to hang on the his job, and trying to build a family and his love for music there was only that much he could afford. Those were the best years of his life, nevertheless and the best in the world were those big bold Nakamichi ZXL decks that he could only flaunt on store-fronts. Today, in his greying years, a chance to listen to the ZXLs is like going back in a time machine to those golden years. Finally being able to play his yellowing but very precious tapes on these great machine. When his N-1000ZXL had a capacitor problem last year, I saw his eyes filled with sadness, and anxiety. As he watched tv while I worked on his baby late nights and brought it back to its peak. I used to wonder, but now I know, how much this would have meant to many of those who still go back to their golden days thanks to these beautiful time machines. >From a technical point of you, a CD is brick-walled at 20kHz and it only goes so high. And SACD? they never had half the sweetness and appeal of cassettes. The N-1000ZXL goes sky high with a frequency response way beyond 30kHz right down to below 10Hz. Besides specs, most important is the sweet treble with the incredible sound-stage and micro and macro dynamics. Something you can achieve with careful usage of digital mastering equipment or careless recording on an ABLE-caled cassette tape. You choose. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 9:54:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice Well, I've been trying to avoid this... but... A cassette deck, especially a 1000ZXL, is a fetish item. Yea, they sound great when they work, and they are a load of fun to tinker with, but a $300 CD-R unit will make recording just as good, if not better. If sound quality for the money is your ultimate goal, you could get a $100 SACD/upsampling player that would absolutely obliterate the best source items from the 1980s at ten, even twenty, times the price. 1000ZXLs cost so much because they are rare, they are visually stunning, and they are IN DEMAND, which is ultimately the biggest driver of price. ESL can charge what they do, because they are one of the few places that can repair these things. Supply and demand, the most basic of economic principals. Low supply + high demand = REALLY HIGH PRICES. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center . ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ________________________________ Expecting? 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I believe the tension would cause damage ...... do you think he has sent me the wrong ones Jeff as you recomended his supply of belts .... unfortunately he supplied no part or stock number with his order so I only have the fact they are 163mm long to refer to. ian scotland Looks like he sent you a belt for one of the 2-head machines. A lot of people, even on Naktalk, don't realize that the transport of the BX-300 is different than the other BX decks. Email me at my own email address and I'll get you a belt for your BX-300. Do you need the tension belt and the idler tire too? Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 2 17:19:48 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A3B7@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <728162.95203.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, It's as simple as this... The key here is, if it's worth the price to YOU to fix/restore then it's worth it. If not, then it's not worth it. This goes for Naks, Corvettes, or your air conditioner. Bob "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Well, I’ve been trying to avoid this but A cassette deck, especially a 1000ZXL, is a fetish item. Yea, they sound great when they work, and they are a load of fun to tinker with, but a $300 CD-R unit will make recording just as good, if not better. If sound quality for the money is your ultimate goal, you could get a $100 SACD/upsampling player that would absolutely obliterate the best source items from the 1980s at ten, even twenty, times the price. 1000ZXLs cost so much because they are rare, they are visually stunning, and they are IN DEMAND, which is ultimately the biggest driver of price. ESL can charge what they do, because they are one of the few places that can repair these things. Supply and demand, the most basic of economic principals. Low supply + high demand = REALLY HIGH PRICES. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 15:44:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:44:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070402084450.008816a0@earthlink.net> Richard, The epoxy is working. If you analyze the classic chassis, you will find that the spacers and screws must insulate the 3 aluminum layers , and the head block, from each other. There is one specific longer screw that goes into the correct hole that provides each layer with a single point ground. It is very common to receive decks with mixed up screws, and no ground! Obviously I've never tested whether single point grounding is superior to conventional, which would a consequence of the ESL change. Perhaps it does improve the sound? It certiainly would make the decks hold up in shipping! Removing the existing nylon without bending the soft aluminum would be a trick worth $75. I imagine Jeff tore up a few 480s trying to figure it out. tom brucker At 09:32 AM 3/31/07 -0700, RICHARD FIne wrote: >>>> I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 16:17:45 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:17:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070402091745.008822b0@earthlink.net> Everyone take a deep breath. We all need each other. About 2 months ago I posted a request that the technicians on this list share information and cooperate to solve some of the tough problems. One positive reply came in from Australia. In my world, idealism reigns. I firmly believe there are enough Nakamichi repairs to keep the few techs remaining busy. Yes, one can make a lot of money if one has new parts. One can also make a lot of money flipping certain models. I repair big screens to make my living. Let's not make money into a divisive issue. The reason NakTalk exists is to give each other serious "inside" information, and information is power. Jeff Galin might go ballistic when I post a tip or cure. He, however, has enough experience to know that this is a free forum. It is logical that repair problems require different levels of expertise from DIY to ESL. We are lucky to have choices. If I fail to repair a unit, and only charge 25% of an ESL quote, is there any value in that? No. When weighing service charges the only measure is the value TO YOU! Whatever you spend 4100 or $1000, you must have a use that will justify the cost. tom brucker At 08:41 PM 3/31/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I�m an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 15:50:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:50:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problems In-Reply-To: <2387BDB6-D953-49C3-8598-DE68C697BA91@mac.com> References: <200703311738.l2VHcHRo003103@zxe.naks.com> <200703311738.l2VHcHRo003103@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070402085020.008816a0@earthlink.net> Fred, Use your finger to stall the capstan motor pulley. Turn the flywheel with your finger. If the belt slips over the capstan pulley, you need a new belt. There was also an excellent tip on cleaning the capstan bearing with a pipe cleaner posted last month! tom brucker At 11:04 AM 3/31/07 -0700, you wrote: >I now have a better idea as to the problem with my CR-3. The left >(supply) side capstan isn't turning well. If I spin the flywheel by >hand it eventually starts turning. I'm reasoning the problem must >therefore be either: the belt is not adequately gripping the flywheel >to turn it, or the capstan bearings are dried up causing too much >friction. The flywheel does seem to spin quite freely, as best I can >tell pushing it with a swab. The pinch roller also spins free. > >I applied a small amount of Caig's Caikleen RBR rubber rejuvenator on >the belt, but it didn't seem to help. > >It seems we just covered this, but I skimmed the archive and didn't >see it. Does anyone remember when we discussed this? Any thoughts >much appreciated. > >best, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 17:06:23 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:06:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" In-Reply-To: <479083.1098.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070402100623.00882180@earthlink.net> Mike is correct. The ZXL is special. I am human, and may not be up to the task. We will see. I was the first person in the USA to change a scan IC on a PIoneer plasma panel that didn't work for Pioneer. One slip and I would destroy a $7000 part. That doesn't mean I can make a balking ZXL work! It means I am willing to try, and I be very careful not to damage anything! ESL has crossed the bridge and has a track record with ZXLs. My purpose here on NakTalk is to keep our worthy machines out of the dustbins! We absolutely need each other. ESL has some unopened parts boxes from their Nakamichi fire sale. Let's come up with ways to HELP Jeff get these parts in circulation. Let's find ways to value everyone on NakTalk. Anyone we piss off is a loss to this community. tom brucker At 03:56 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 17:11:58 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:11:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: <461052BE.3030703@yahoo.ca> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> Antione, Have you posted the 2 BX 2 problems here? I will try and help. I believe in respectful debate. tom brucker At 08:47 PM 4/1/07 -0400, you wrote: >I had fun deleting about 50 posts telling 2-3 different opinions on this >subject today. > >Debates here seem to get even worse than ones on IBOC / Hybrid Digital >radio in the FMTuners group on Yahoo, with about 2500 members. > >I agree that maybe the repair costs of a ZXL should be high since no >more parts are being manufactured for it, and a few persons have the >right tools to repair them. Try to find cheap NOS Mullard tubes, it's >the same thing. > >But, say, my two BX-2s for example, they sell for nothing. The cheapest >price I could find to be able to know what the problem with the decks >was, to simply get them to be able to play a cassette, was at least $30 >per unit(In a local Nak-certified repair shop that doesn't even know >what aligning a tuner is : forget it). > >I have two good-for-nothing decks waiting to be repaired, I currently >have $40 CAD - nothing else, and I would have to ship my units far away >to know that it's probably just a few $5 rubber parts(Pinch rollers, >idler) that are too old. Is there a way to get ANY old electronics >working without paying at least $100? (I have two Nak BX-2s, a >Superscope CD-330, a Sansui TU-D99X tuner and a Toshiba PC-G22 cassette >desk that are screwed but I can't repair : > >Simply because tuners need people to have tons of expensive tools to >work on them, >and there's almost no help and information for cassette decks on the >Internet(OK, there's naktalk, but the only thing I've been able to fix >by going here is the cam motor, and to know that orange caps are the >cause of my recording dropouts. Kermit tried to help much, but where is >he now?) > >Isy Fidelman a écrit : >> Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends >> >> Isy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Apr 2 17:29:58 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:29:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender In-Reply-To: <728162.95203.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A3B7@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> <728162.95203.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A3BB@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Absolutely. Frankly I wish all classic cars were supported as well as Vettes and Mustangs. They have big, fanatical fan bases, and in general are really easy to fix. Whoever made the Nak = Ferrari comparison was dead on. Parts are hard to find, and someone capable of putting them in correctly is even harder. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Guys, It's as simple as this... The key here is, if it's worth the price to YOU to fix/restore then it's worth it. If not, then it's not worth it. This goes for Naks, Corvettes, or your air conditioner. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:39:24 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Message-ID: <668064.96997.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure but what you are comparing is technology released in the year when IBM released the IBM AT PC. Today's technology is leapfrogged by huge leaps and bounds to putting clusters of 64-bit computers. And its so much more listenable then digital. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 11:13:37 PM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net CDs are brick walled at 22kHz aren’t they? But they can go down to about 5Hz (at least that’s what my manual tells me!) J Anyhow, the aforementioned 192KHz upsampling effectively recreates the spatial loss (I don’t think many, even any, of his can hear over 20KHz). SACD do not have this problem, and the ones I have sound absolutely stellar. The quality of sound on CDs is dramatically increasing. Very rarely do you get those 1988 quality ear-bleeders (which were probably straight transfers from tape anyway, clipped and compressed at the hands of some digital newbie). I just can’t see any comparison between a DSD remastered SACD and a pre-recorded cassette, on ANY machine. I have a couple on both, and it’s not even in the same ballpark even with a tape deck that in real money terms, cost about 4 times what my SACD player cost. But I like recording to cassette, easier and less finiky, and I just have more fun doing it. And of course with a nice Nak, the sound quality is great, no doubt. The difference between my CR-5 and Cass Deck 2 is HUGE. I can’t even listen to stuff recorded on the latter, but it’s playback is pretty good. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] My pet hamsters know when I am playing my ZXL - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Derrick, Well thats a really realistic way to look at cassettes. I have the sony W33 cd-recorder which is incredible as it can record live sound without sacrificing the dynamics - and sure it trumps some of Nakamichi's best efforts. Back when the ZXL was released, my dad was another young man, fighting the tide and trying to root himself. Money was scarce, and work was even more scarce. Having to hang on the his job, and trying to build a family and his love for music there was only that much he could afford. Those were the best years of his life, nevertheless and the best in the world were those big bold Nakamichi ZXL decks that he could only flaunt on store-fronts. Today, in his greying years, a chance to listen to the ZXLs is like going back in a time machine to those golden years. Finally being able to play his yellowing but very precious tapes on these great machine. When his N-1000ZXL had a capacitor problem last year, I saw his eyes filled with sadness, and anxiety. As he watched tv while I worked on his baby late nights and brought it back to its peak. I used to wonder, but now I know, how much this would have meant to many of those who still go back to their golden days thanks to these beautiful time machines. >From a technical point of you, a CD is brick-walled at 20kHz and it only goes so high. And SACD? they never had half the sweetness and appeal of cassettes. The N-1000ZXL goes sky high with a frequency response way beyond 30kHz right down to below 10Hz. Besides specs, most important is the sweet treble with the incredible sound-stage and micro and macro dynamics. Something you can achieve with careful usage of digital mastering equipment or careless recording on an ABLE-caled cassette tape. You choose. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: " Beckner, Derrick " To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 9:54:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice Well, I’ve been trying to avoid this… but… A cassette deck, especially a 1000ZXL, is a fetish item. Yea, they sound great when they work, and they are a load of fun to tinker with, but a $300 CD-R unit will make recording just as good, if not better. If sound quality for the money is your ultimate goal, you could get a $100 SACD/upsampling player that would absolutely obliterate the best source items from the 1980s at ten, even twenty, times the price. 1000ZXLs cost so much because they are rare, they are visually stunning, and they are IN DEMAND, which is ultimately the biggest driver of price. ESL can charge what they do, because they are one of the few places that can repair these things. Supply and demand, the most basic of economic principals. Low supply + high demand = REALLY HIGH PRICES. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 18:36:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" Message-ID: <392165.64519.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There have been many experienced and valued techs even where I come from who have shyed away from the ZXLs. Those techs are not bad techs. The ZXL, as I said, requires a very different skill set as it took automation in cassette decks to a new level. Aside from Nakamichi and ESL Labs, I have known, and worked with a number of people who specialize and work on classic brands. However, most of them are willing to do repairs and service, if not free advice. Only when requested do they do a full restoration. Will ESL ever provide such service? I am sure that ESL's track record with the ZXL is hard earned and they well deserve the reputation that they have. But I have been quietly seeing stories of him refusing to sell spares and quoting people high prices for some spares. Why? Because our community is small, and we have a common goal of preserving the Nak legacy I hope to see all of us working together because it takes every one us to keep all our machines working. ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 11:06:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" Mike is correct. The ZXL is special. I am human, and may not be up to the task. We will see. I was the first person in the USA to change a scan IC on a PIoneer plasma panel that didn't work for Pioneer. One slip and I would destroy a $7000 part. That doesn't mean I can make a balking ZXL work! It means I am willing to try, and I be very careful not to damage anything! ESL has crossed the bridge and has a track record with ZXLs. My purpose here on NakTalk is to keep our worthy machines out of the dustbins! We absolutely need each other. ESL has some unopened parts boxes from their Nakamichi fire sale. Let's come up with ways to HELP Jeff get these parts in circulation. Let's find ways to value everyone on NakTalk. Anyone we piss off is a loss to this community. tom brucker At 03:56 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There was also an excellent tip on cleaning the capstan bearing with a pipe cleaner posted last month! tom brucker At 11:04 AM 3/31/07 -0700, you wrote: >I now have a better idea as to the problem with my CR-3. The left >(supply) side capstan isn't turning well. If I spin the flywheel by >hand it eventually starts turning. I'm reasoning the problem must >therefore be either: the belt is not adequately gripping the flywheel >to turn it, or the capstan bearings are dried up causing too much >friction. The flywheel does seem to spin quite freely, as best I can >tell pushing it with a swab. The pinch roller also spins free. > >I applied a small amount of Caig's Caikleen RBR rubber rejuvenator on >the belt, but it didn't seem to help. > >It seems we just covered this, but I skimmed the archive and didn't >see it. Does anyone remember when we discussed this? Any thoughts >much appreciated. > >best, >Fred >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 20:30:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" In-Reply-To: <392165.64519.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <768611.15398.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the ball Bala. Keep 'em coming folks! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: There have been many experienced and valued techs even where I come from who have shyed away from the ZXLs. Those techs are not bad techs. The ZXL, as I said, requires a very different skill set as it took automation in cassette decks to a new level. Aside from Nakamichi and ESL Labs, I have known, and worked with a number of people who specialize and work on classic brands. However, most of them are willing to do repairs and service, if not free advice. Only when requested do they do a full restoration. Will ESL ever provide such service? I am sure that ESL's track record with the ZXL is hard earned and they well deserve the reputation that they have. But I have been quietly seeing stories of him refusing to sell spares and quoting people high prices for some spares. Why? Because our community is small, and we have a common goal of preserving the Nak legacy I hope to see all of us working together because it takes every one us to keep all our machines working. ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 11:06:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" Mike is correct. The ZXL is special. I am human, and may not be up to the task. We will see. I was the first person in the USA to change a scan IC on a PIoneer plasma panel that didn't work for Pioneer. One slip and I would destroy a $7000 part. That doesn't mean I can make a balking ZXL work! It means I am willing to try, and I be very careful not to damage anything! ESL has crossed the bridge and has a track record with ZXLs. My purpose here on NakTalk is to keep our worthy machines out of the dustbins! We absolutely need each other. ESL has some unopened parts boxes from their Nakamichi fire sale. Let's come up with ways to HELP Jeff get these parts in circulation. Let's find ways to value everyone on NakTalk. Anyone we piss off is a loss to this community. tom brucker At 03:56 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 20:34:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070402091745.008822b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <61582.20608.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Thanks for coming to bat. Now we are talking. Its people like Kannan, Bala and you that keeps us Nakkers happy and our Naks live and kicking! Thanks Ram Hi Tech wrote: Everyone take a deep breath. We all need each other. About 2 months ago I posted a request that the technicians on this list share information and cooperate to solve some of the tough problems. One positive reply came in from Australia. In my world, idealism reigns. I firmly believe there are enough Nakamichi repairs to keep the few techs remaining busy. Yes, one can make a lot of money if one has new parts. One can also make a lot of money flipping certain models. I repair big screens to make my living. Let's not make money into a divisive issue. The reason NakTalk exists is to give each other serious "inside" information, and information is power. Jeff Galin might go ballistic when I post a tip or cure. He, however, has enough experience to know that this is a free forum. It is logical that repair problems require different levels of expertise from DIY to ESL. We are lucky to have choices. If I fail to repair a unit, and only charge 25% of an ESL quote, is there any value in that? No. When weighing service charges the only measure is the value TO YOU! Whatever you spend 4100 or $1000, you must have a use that will justify the cost. tom brucker At 08:41 PM 3/31/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> My dragon is being worked on now by one of the techs that post here. I purchased all the belts, and door lamp from Jeff Gallin with the intention of installing them myself about a year ago. I found of course, that the job was far too complicated for me, so I got a quote from Jeff on what it would cost to service and bring my Dragon to spec. He quoted me something like up to $1500 to $2000. I was floored, I couldn't imagine paying half that. That is when I contacted the Tech from this site. There was a problem that I didn't feel comfortable with the fix that the Tech did (I’m an electrician... I work service and instrument/plc panels most everyday) so I asked Jeff Galin what he used.. an innocent question that could have been much better handled from a "proffessional" company... I then posted his answer here... mostly because I was very surprised... But, what shocked me, was his response here, which was very unproffessional, imature, and not at all truthful. Say what you want about me asking questions.. I don't care about that.. it is the responses I got that shock me.... I will sell my Dragon, all my tapes, all my Nak gear before ever doing business with Jeff Galin and ESL Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 20:43:48 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] March is "in like a lamb, out like a lion" In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070402100623.00882180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <158558.78179.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nalk Talkers, I started this whole issue of jeff charging too much for the ZXL. I started this not to piss off Jeff of ESL or anyone else for that matter. Its like this. I just wanted a free exchange of opinions in this Nakamichi forum. Thats it. We found that Jeff is a great technician, no doubt. We also found that there are some who do not care what it costs at ESL. They appreciate it. Thats perfectly fine. This being a free arena to exchange thoughts is why I joined.... not to piss off anyone! So Jeff Galin, here it goes, I did not try to demoralise you or chastise your practice of charging premium dollars. just kept a free exchange of opinions going, albeit a little passionately that some would have, including you, preferred. Jeff, I, now, therefore, want you to be Nalk Talks friend, because you have a special talent that most of us appreciate and want to reward you and our Naks with. Free opinions are not what we are looking for. Great service( not forced rebiulds) is what we are looking for with a reasonable turn around time and resonable fees to go with it. You see Jeff, we are all Nak addicts. That does not mean we are all wealthy oil magnates who can pull money off trees in our backyard. Please Jeff. Listen and modify!...Please....We all need you and folks like you. Thanks for listening all. Sorry for being wordy! Ram( a Nak NUT) Hi Tech wrote: Mike is correct. The ZXL is special. I am human, and may not be up to the task. We will see. I was the first person in the USA to change a scan IC on a PIoneer plasma panel that didn't work for Pioneer. One slip and I would destroy a $7000 part. That doesn't mean I can make a balking ZXL work! It means I am willing to try, and I be very careful not to damage anything! ESL has crossed the bridge and has a track record with ZXLs. My purpose here on NakTalk is to keep our worthy machines out of the dustbins! We absolutely need each other. ESL has some unopened parts boxes from their Nakamichi fire sale. Let's come up with ways to HELP Jeff get these parts in circulation. Let's find ways to value everyone on NakTalk. Anyone we piss off is a loss to this community. tom brucker At 03:56 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> For ZXL you need not only the parts but the correct gauges and test jigs to perform necessary calibrations and adjustment. This deck is special and that is why ESL has the upper hand in this case and I think this is what some ZXL owners might not realize. If you don't plan to own this deck, definitely some other capable people in this forum can handle most of the repair and restoration decks. In general for most Nak decks, find a broken machine might swap the necessary parts for repairs. Mike boogie man wrote: Thanks for the list Shaun. I would like to add that when I mention ESL has a monoploy I didn't overlook the likes of our technical gurus (Tom, Kannan, Bala....etc) who do great work BUT they will be hard pressed to bring a machine like a ZXL to like new status simply beacuse they don't have access to the parts necessary which ESL has as its disposal. If the playing field was level, we wont be having this discussion. Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 2 22:10:42 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:10:42 -0400 Subject: BX-2 Problems (was: Re: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensive advice) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46116342.2030206@yahoo.ca> Hi Tom, Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. 1ST deck A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. Now, the fixes I brought already : 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed burnishing, that's done. 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque now. Problems with the black BX-2 : ----------------------------------- 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how to fix this one, it's just a little painful. ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. 2ND deck A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. Problems with the silver BX-2 : ----------------------------------- 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because I don't feel like paying shipping twice. Antoine Hi Tech a écrit : > Antione, > Have you posted the 2 BX 2 problems here? I will try and help. I believe > in respectful debate. > > tom brucker > > At 08:47 PM 4/1/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> I had fun deleting about 50 posts telling 2-3 different opinions on this >> subject today. >> >> Debates here seem to get even worse than ones on IBOC / Hybrid Digital >> radio in the FMTuners group on Yahoo, with about 2500 members. >> >> I agree that maybe the repair costs of a ZXL should be high since no >> more parts are being manufactured for it, and a few persons have the >> right tools to repair them. Try to find cheap NOS Mullard tubes, it's >> the same thing. >> >> But, say, my two BX-2s for example, they sell for nothing. The cheapest >> price I could find to be able to know what the problem with the decks >> was, to simply get them to be able to play a cassette, was at least $30 >> per unit(In a local Nak-certified repair shop that doesn't even know >> what aligning a tuner is : forget it). >> >> I have two good-for-nothing decks waiting to be repaired, I currently >> have $40 CAD - nothing else, and I would have to ship my units far away >> to know that it's probably just a few $5 rubber parts(Pinch rollers, >> idler) that are too old. Is there a way to get ANY old electronics >> working without paying at least $100? (I have two Nak BX-2s, a >> Superscope CD-330, a Sansui TU-D99X tuner and a Toshiba PC-G22 cassette >> desk that are screwed but I can't repair : >> >> Simply because tuners need people to have tons of expensive tools to >> work on them, >> and there's almost no help and information for cassette decks on the >> Internet(OK, there's naktalk, but the only thing I've been able to fix >> by going here is the cam motor, and to know that orange caps are the >> cause of my recording dropouts. Kermit tried to help much, but where is >> he now?) >> >> Isy Fidelman a écrit : >> >>> Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends >>> >>> Isy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 2 23:50:08 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:50:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Updates on idler(silver BX-2 problems in an other topic) Message-ID: <46117A90.8010002@yahoo.ca> I looked and cleaned/lubed my silver BX-2's idler, it's not even able to get the hub to start turning anymore. The motor pulley sticks well to the idler, which does not seem to be too much worn out, but it can't turn the hub wheels without starting them manually. Antoine From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 3 00:47:01 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:47:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? Message-ID: > The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. ABLE alignment jig? I can't remember off the top of my head what it is you're referring to..the test box? I think there are also some extender cards (one for the 1000zxl and one or two for the 700zxl) that make life easier (although lack of the 700zxl's card can be worked around). There is also the 5Hz RAMM signal adjustment tape. I prefer to think of the 1000zxl as an example (both the good and the bad aspects) of what is usually referred to as an "over-engineered" machine. It's really remarkable for what it accomplishes, but for the average user/person, it's overkill at the cost of excessive complexity. I have a soft spot for those kinds of examples.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 3 00:57:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:57:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today Message-ID: <49D0BC57-CD78-4A36-93F5-033DB050BD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> > > Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will > > become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four > years. > > > > The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power > > of money, not the cost of an object. > > > > Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under > > $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than > > the originals. I think these statements, like the inflation calculator, are only partly true. From a certain utilitarian aspect it is true particularly for modern electronic things, but only if what you think of as "better" agrees with what the manufacturers. For the most part, the manufacturer's goal is usually "cheaper" (to make), not better. And "better" when it is considered, usually equates to "more features." If it happens to be better quality, or if the feature set happens to be one you like more, then that's an added bonus for the manufacturer, but it doesn't seem to usually be the explicit goal. Things such as build quality and repairability over the long term aren't usally included in this equation. Whereas is is probably true the new plasma screen TVs are cheaper to produce, and, for the parts that are integrated together (i.e. the screen itself), the are probably better build quality.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 3 01:13:53 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:13:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today In-Reply-To: <49D0BC57-CD78-4A36-93F5-033DB050BD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <49D0BC57-CD78-4A36-93F5-033DB050BD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <46118E31.9050303@yahoo.ca> New technologies become better and better, because they still advance, but once development is nearly stopped in favor of newer technologies, what matters is then cost reduction. Kimo B. Yap a écrit : >> > Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product will >> > become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to four years. >> > >> > The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying power >> > of money, not the cost of an object. >> > >> > Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for under >> > $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better than >> > the originals. > > I think these statements, like the inflation calculator, are only > partly true. From > a certain utilitarian aspect it is true particularly for modern > electronic things, but > only if what you think of as "better" agrees with what the > manufacturers. For the > most part, the manufacturer's goal is usually "cheaper" (to make), not > better. > And "better" when it is considered, usually equates to "more > features." If it happens > to be better quality, or if the feature set happens to be one you like > more, then > that's an added bonus for the manufacturer, but it doesn't seem to > usually be > the explicit goal. > > Things such as build quality and repairability over the long term > aren't usally > included in this equation. Whereas is is probably true the new plasma > screen TVs are cheaper to produce, and, for the parts that are integrated > together (i.e. the screen itself), the are probably better build > quality.-kby From martin.short at nstarch.com Tue Apr 3 01:26:10 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:26:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice In-Reply-To: <200704021540.l32Feh3N032326@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "Absolutely. Frankly I wish all classic cars were supported as well as Vettes and Mustangs. They have big, fanatical fan bases, and in general are really easy to fix. Whoever made the Nak = Ferrari comparison was dead on. Parts are hard to find, and someone capable of putting them in correctly is even harder." That why I drive Jaguar!! at least on the weekends..... you can still get heaps of mech parts for MkI's onwards, and adapt those that you can't... and they are one helluva lot less technical than my Naks..but sound as good wound out :o) IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 3 02:24:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:24:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2007 4:08:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: I think these statements, like the inflation calculator, are only partly true. From a certain utilitarian aspect it is true particularly for modern electronic things, but only if what you think of as "better" agrees with what the manufacturers. For the most part, the manufacturer's goal is usually "cheaper" (to make), not better. And "better" when it is considered, usually equates to "more features." If it happens to be better quality, or if the feature set happens to be one you like more, then that's an added bonus for the manufacturer, but it doesn't seem to usually be the explicit goal. Things such as build quality and repairability over the long term aren't usally included in this equation. Whereas is is probably true the new plasma screen TVs are cheaper to produce, and, for the parts that are integrated together (i.e. the screen itself), the are probably better build quality.-kby I totally agree with this analysis. I would add that in the real world today, the movement is not toward high-end superior high-sampling-rate digital as some have suggested, but toward MP-3, which is true low-fidelity. I know musicians who have had all their CD's transferred to MP-3 and gave away the CD's. These are of course people who grew up listening to music on their computers (ughh) and sometimes earphones and who also have hearing loss. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 02:40:37 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <82158.51580.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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However, it isn't to say that 1000ZXL was way ahead of its time, but Nakamichi set out really high goals in order to achieve full equalization control and a automated system that resulted in a tight, and ruler flat response for a full frequency range. And remember, at that time the other makers like Aiwa were not even quoting full freq response for their top decks yet. But in retrospect, it is a little over complex (my wife asked me - this is a cassette deck, what is there to compute?) for the average user who just wants a good recorder or to get the best off his pre-recorded tapes. But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they almost seem to posses their own character. How strange we are! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 6:47:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. ABLE alignment jig? I can't remember off the top of my head what it is you're referring to..the test box? I think there are also some extender cards (one for the 1000zxl and one or two for the 700zxl) that make life easier (although lack of the 700zxl's card can be worked around). There is also the 5Hz RAMM signal adjustment tape. I prefer to think of the 1000zxl as an example (both the good and the bad aspects) of what is usually referred to as an "over-engineered" machine. It's really remarkable for what it accomplishes, but for the average user/person, it's overkill at the cost of excessive complexity. I have a soft spot for those kinds of examples.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 04:26:42 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <82158.51580.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070403022642.12944.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, The whole purpose of generating that kind of talk was to develop a consensus, that, ESL is unfairly expensive! While I belive that Jeff Galin was a fantastic technician, I also believe that he is ridiculously expensive. I am sure that there are techs( like you or Tom for example) that can and will refurbish at a reasonable fee with great quality our beloved Naks, including the mighty 1000ZXL, even in the absence of so called jigs. This challenge was to get people like Tom, you and many other Nak passionates out there to tone up and get it going so Jeff can realise he is not the only one! I hope I motivated at least one technician in a country so we are covered all over the globe. You see Bala, monopoly isnt good for business exept the business that has monopoly. Competition spawns higher quality and fair prices and efficient( speedier) service. I hope you got my drift! Lets get this kicking. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. 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In-Reply-To: <82158.51580.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <233095.21660.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 3 05:00:36 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <233095.21660.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554940.75092.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 05:30:35 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin and speaking your mind In-Reply-To: <554940.75092.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <333077.24817.qm@web84112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok Guys, Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Honestly, how many times can you guys say the same thing over and over again. You remind me of lawyers who are being paid by the word. Anybody who wants Galin to work on their deck and is willing to pay his asking price has every right to spend his or her money that way. Anybody who can't afford him or is unwilling to pay that much can look for service elsewhere. If Galin only wants to take on restoration work as opposed to repair work that is his right as well. I say turn this board back to a discussion about the decks and how to keep them adjusted and running and finding parts and such. There, I have spoken my mind. Larry LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 3 05:30:34 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <171225.12109.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997938.5160.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: I let the forum members to make their own decision. If what other members decide that what you claim is correct I will sincerely offer my resignation from this forum. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, What you said was rude and uncalled for. All I let out is that I am not a Hyppocrit. Thats all. And I accept your apology. I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 3 05:35:50 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:35:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice In-Reply-To: <200704030233.l332XJY0007149@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704030233.l332XJY0007149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C943B84F62A754-BF8-A179@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ram and everyone else I spoke on Jeff's side not "because of his status and not wanting to antagonise him", but because I agree with what he does in the main part. My own business had similarities - we took our time to do very high quality work - we worked on all Naks - from 500s to 1000ZXLs - and we charged accordingly. If I was still in business and you were in Australia, you'd probably be saying "John Gipps is very expensive and hasn't got time to give free advice". But seriously guys, this is getting really boring now - you've done it to death. I just went through about 12 emails and almost every topic was "Jeff G.....advice". Can't you give it a rest now and get back to topics about Nakamichis rather than about people. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 2. Re: 1000zxl service equipment? (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 3. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) 4. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <82158.51580.qm at web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070402/89b21144/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <474321.51980.qm at web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes its the test box I am referring to. Yes the ZXLs had the extension card. I got around the 1000ZXL by removing the side panel for the playback board. For the rest of the cards, I soldered wires from the test points, and remove adjacent cards in order to access the adjustment points. Yes the 5Hz tape is another special addition. The 1000ZXL reminds me of Ampex's effort to built a world's first workable video recorder. 20 years later, Sony and JVC essentially put much of the complex circuitry in ICs and came out with smaller, more reliable units. However, it isn't to say that 1000ZXL was way ahead of its time, but Nakamichi set out really high goals in order to achieve full equalization control and a automated system that resulted in a tight, and ruler flat response for a full frequency range. And remember, at that time the other makers like Aiwa were not even quoting full freq response for their top decks yet. But in retrospect, it is a little over complex (my wife asked me - this is a cassette deck, what is there to compute?) for the average user who just wants a good recorder or to get the best off his pre-recorded tapes. But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they almost seem to posses their own character. How strange we are! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 6:47:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. ABLE alignment jig? I can't remember off the top of my head what it is you're referring to..the test box? I think there are also some extender cards (one for the 1000zxl and one or two for the 700zxl) that make life easier (although lack of the 700zxl's card can be worked around). There is also the 5Hz RAMM signal adjustment tape. I prefer to think of the 1000zxl as an example (both the good and the bad aspects) of what is usually referred to as an "over-engineered" machine. It's really remarkable for what it accomplishes, but for the average user/person, it's overkill at the cost of excessive complexity. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070402/c6199cb5/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20070403022642.12944.qmail at web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, The whole purpose of generating that kind of talk was to develop a consensus, that, ESL is unfairly expensive! While I belive that Jeff Galin was a fantastic technician, I also believe that he is ridiculously expensive. I am sure that there are techs( like you or Tom for example) that can and will refurbish at a reasonable fee with great quality our beloved Naks, including the mighty 1000ZXL, even in the absence of so called jigs. This challenge was to get people like Tom, you and many other Nak passionates out there to tone up and get it going so Jeff can realise he is not the only one! I hope I motivated at least one technician in a country so we are covered all over the globe. You see Bala, monopoly isnt good for business exept the business that has monopoly. Competition spawns higher quality and fair prices and efficient( speedier) service. I hope you got my drift! Lets get this kicking. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <233095.21660.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 05:51:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin and speaking your mind In-Reply-To: <333077.24817.qm@web84112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <739636.72873.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well said Larry. Ram Larry Sachs wrote: Ok Guys, Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Honestly, how many times can you guys say the same thing over and over again. You remind me of lawyers who are being paid by the word. Anybody who wants Galin to work on their deck and is willing to pay his asking price has every right to spend his or her money that way. Anybody who can't afford him or is unwilling to pay that much can look for service elsewhere. If Galin only wants to take on restoration work as opposed to repair work that is his right as well. I say turn this board back to a discussion about the decks and how to keep them adjusted and running and finding parts and such. There, I have spoken my mind. Larry LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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If I was still in business and you were in Australia, you'd probably be saying "John Gipps is very expensive and hasn't got time to give free advice". But seriously guys, this is getting really boring now - you've done it to death. I just went through about 12 emails and almost every topic was "Jeff G.....advice". Can't you give it a rest now and get back to topics about Nakamichis rather than about people. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 2. Re: 1000zxl service equipment? (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 3. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) 4. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <82158.51580.qm at web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <474321.51980.qm at web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes its the test box I am referring to. Yes the ZXLs had the extension card. I got around the 1000ZXL by removing the side panel for the playback board. For the rest of the cards, I soldered wires from the test points, and remove adjacent cards in order to access the adjustment points. Yes the 5Hz tape is another special addition. The 1000ZXL reminds me of Ampex's effort to built a world's first workable video recorder. 20 years later, Sony and JVC essentially put much of the complex circuitry in ICs and came out with smaller, more reliable units. However, it isn't to say that 1000ZXL was way ahead of its time, but Nakamichi set out really high goals in order to achieve full equalization control and a automated system that resulted in a tight, and ruler flat response for a full frequency range. And remember, at that time the other makers like Aiwa were not even quoting full freq response for their top decks yet. But in retrospect, it is a little over complex (my wife asked me - this is a cassette deck, what is there to compute?) for the average user who just wants a good recorder or to get the best off his pre-recorded tapes. But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they almost seem to posses their own character. How strange we are! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 6:47:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. ABLE alignment jig? I can't remember off the top of my head what it is you're referring to..the test box? I think there are also some extender cards (one for the 1000zxl and one or two for the 700zxl) that make life easier (although lack of the 700zxl's card can be worked around). There is also the 5Hz RAMM signal adjustment tape. I prefer to think of the 1000zxl as an example (both the good and the bad aspects) of what is usually referred to as an "over-engineered" machine. It's really remarkable for what it accomplishes, but for the average user/person, it's overkill at the cost of excessive complexity. I have a soft spot for those kinds of examples.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070402/c6199cb5/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20070403022642.12944.qmail at web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, The whole purpose of generating that kind of talk was to develop a consensus, that, ESL is unfairly expensive! While I belive that Jeff Galin was a fantastic technician, I also believe that he is ridiculously expensive. I am sure that there are techs( like you or Tom for example) that can and will refurbish at a reasonable fee with great quality our beloved Naks, including the mighty 1000ZXL, even in the absence of so called jigs. This challenge was to get people like Tom, you and many other Nak passionates out there to tone up and get it going so Jeff can realise he is not the only one! I hope I motivated at least one technician in a country so we are covered all over the globe. You see Bala, monopoly isnt good for business exept the business that has monopoly. Competition spawns higher quality and fair prices and efficient( speedier) service. I hope you got my drift! Lets get this kicking. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <233095.21660.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. " Bala and all, It has never been a question of taking sides. The main beef is ESL's supposedly extortionate charge out rate that has developed into a circular and denigrating arguement. The main issue centres around the fact or conception that ESL rebuild to meet or exceed the OEM specification and charge accordingly , rather than just fix the immediate problem. OUR problem is, most , myself included, cannot usually afford the former, so opt for the latter. Would I like my Naks rebuilt to as new or better?.. absolutely...but I cannot afford to do so for all my naks... (43 last count..and yes it is a fetish/obsession) To put things in perspective, in Oz, it costs me A$95.00 per hour to have my Holden serviced, plus parts if required. A typical service is 2.5 hours. Back in NZ for me to get some 'whiteware' (washing machine)or 'brownware' (TV/video etc) fixed is $15.00 per labour unit of 10 minutes, or NZ$90.00 per hour.. and probably similar in Oz.. An average repair bill... $150.00. My tech in NZ charges NZ$80.00 hr labour. The averaged repair bill for my Naks is NZ$450.00 labour and parts for say 6 -6.5 hours work per deck.. ( I received a good discount as a preferred customer :o)...) The last job I had done was a bias oscillator rebuild , some orange caps replaced, a clean and lube on a VGC silver 480Z: cost NZ$350... to some not worth it on such a 'lowly' deck, but I am a collector /user and like to have everything working. My point is, these are all just fix the immediate problems. As I understand it, a rebuild on a 1000ZXL takes two weeks: to strip, clean, repair, replace, and upgrade as necessary, including a complete recap, reassemble, test, repack. That is 80 hours work, and given the complexity of the machine doesn't seem unreasonable. The popular figure quoted for ESL to do this is around US$4000.00, and it is the enormity of that amount for a cassette deck that has a few in a tail spin.. but this only equates to US$50.00 per hour which is a cheaper hourly rate than any typical service in NZ or OZ for a washing machine!! , and has included any parts in the equation. So in my estimation and appreciation at least Jeff Galin ain't getting rich out of his business at all. The perceived value equation for this level of work is entirely up to the individual. As a fervent DIY'er, I will continue to service my own decks, and hence value the input from Tom, Ron, Bala, Kannan, etc for the freely given advice in maintaing my precious naks, and where it is beyond my capabilities, I will continue to get things fixed locally on an as needs basis: shear economics and the cost of shipping overseas dictate that.. but if the ' tats lotto' should cough favourably, would I send f my ZX's or 680's to ESL?.. you bet... might even buy a Z XL... cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 3 05:58:54 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:58:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? Message-ID: <18223523.1175572735006.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> We were discussing a new three head deck that was available only in Japan. I think it was a Pioneer, the price was aroud $600 and it did the noise reduction and headroom expansion in the digital domain, then reverted back to analog to be put on tape. Does anyone remember the model number for the deck or the link? My hard drive ate itself and I had lost all bookmarks. From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 3 06:00:56 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 0:00:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting (cheap) item on eBay Message-ID: <12857165.1175572856263.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> No, I am not the seller. I happen to catch this item on the 'YOU LOSE' email that eBay sends when you lost out on an auction. I thought it was interesting enough to mention here as it applies to cassette recorders in general. It does not state the length of the DVD but I did send a question to the seller. From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Apr 3 06:05:50 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:05:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting (cheap) item on eBay In-Reply-To: <12857165.1175572856263.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <200704030406.l33463Qp007979@zxe.naks.com> LOL man don't you HATE to see that email in your inbox?? I mean, dam I know I lost.. do you have to rub it in fleabay???? LOL.... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Roland > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:01 AM > To: navtalk > Subject: [naktalk] Interesting (cheap) item on eBay > > No, I am not the seller. I happen to catch this item on the 'YOU LOSE' > email that eBay sends when you lost out on an auction. From martin.short at nstarch.com Tue Apr 3 06:10:59 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:10:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Apologies.. In-Reply-To: <200704030354.l333s9FN007815@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I see in the time it took me to cobble up my email on ESL , three, yes three, naktalks have come through, so apologies to all for extending the arguement... don't you people up top ever sleep?. I now consider the hobby horse is now well and truely flogged and thus unrideable... the end. MS IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:06:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <318911.47796.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friends, Please do not come onto each other is such harsh terms - it is really not necessary. I think this whole thing was about everyone airing their views about why Jeff charges this much for his service. Having said that, the consensus is that service does exist for lesser charges and Jeff is at the top of the pyramid - in terms of thoroughness and extend of service. So let us move forward and hope that things do change for the better - if they do not, then its already at its best and we have to accept that. I think Ram is furious as to why someone should charge so much and get away from it. Looking at the bigger picture, I can understand both Ram and Jeff's point of view and respect both. My request is that Jeff also services customers who do not want a full overhaul. But since alternatives exist (like Tom), and Jeff feels that he'd rather concentrate on the full restorations, what can we say? Mike, Ram and everyone else. I think its time to put an end to this topic as everyone seems to have aired their views. Any further we go will only result in unwanted bitterness. Let us be friends. Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:30:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Ram: I let the forum members to make their own decision. If what other members decide that what you claim is correct I will sincerely offer my resignation from this forum. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, What you said was rude and uncalled for. All I let out is that I am not a Hyppocrit. Thats all. And I accept your apology. I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <318911.47796.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <595182.32529.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Friends, Please do not come onto each other is such harsh terms - it is really not necessary. I think this whole thing was about everyone airing their views about why Jeff charges this much for his service. Having said that, the consensus is that service does exist for lesser charges and Jeff is at the top of the pyramid - in terms of thoroughness and extend of service. So let us move forward and hope that things do change for the better - if they do not, then its already at its best and we have to accept that. I think Ram is furious as to why someone should charge so much and get away from it. Looking at the bigger picture, I can understand both Ram and Jeff's point of view and respect both. My request is that Jeff also services customers who do not want a full overhaul. But since alternatives exist (like Tom), and Jeff feels that he'd rather concentrate on the full restorations, what can we say? Mike, Ram and everyone else. I think its time to put an end to this topic as everyone seems to have aired their views. Any further we go will only result in unwanted bitterness. Let us be friends. Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:30:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Ram: I let the forum members to make their own decision. If what other members decide that what you claim is correct I will sincerely offer my resignation from this forum. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, What you said was rude and uncalled for. All I let out is that I am not a Hyppocrit. Thats all. And I accept your apology. I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <637039.65969.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope they didn't put a hard drive into that deck :) But that sounds cool, and if the ZXL was built today, I think it might look like the Pioneer effort. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roland To: navtalk Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:58:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? We were discussing a new three head deck that was available only in Japan. I think it was a Pioneer, the price was aroud $600 and it did the noise reduction and headroom expansion in the digital domain, then reverted back to analog to be put on tape. Does anyone remember the model number for the deck or the link? My hard drive ate itself and I had lost all bookmarks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:20:29 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <318911.47796.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411049.75226.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep. Lets agree to disagree and that there are numerous views. It was a full day of argumentative discussions and towards the end it kind of started getting ugly. I never want ugliness. Friends we are with one common interest. Nakamichi. Lets Nak,nak nak and not Nit pick. I started it, i am ending this topic. NO more. Enough said. Long live Nakamichi. Regards Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Friends, Please do not come onto each other is such harsh terms - it is really not necessary. I think this whole thing was about everyone airing their views about why Jeff charges this much for his service. Having said that, the consensus is that service does exist for lesser charges and Jeff is at the top of the pyramid - in terms of thoroughness and extend of service. So let us move forward and hope that things do change for the better - if they do not, then its already at its best and we have to accept that. I think Ram is furious as to why someone should charge so much and get away from it. Looking at the bigger picture, I can understand both Ram and Jeff's point of view and respect both. My request is that Jeff also services customers who do not want a full overhaul. But since alternatives exist (like Tom), and Jeff feels that he'd rather concentrate on the full restorations, what can we say? Mike, Ram and everyone else. I think its time to put an end to this topic as everyone seems to have aired their views. Any further we go will only result in unwanted bitterness. Let us be friends. Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:30:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Ram: I let the forum members to make their own decision. If what other members decide that what you claim is correct I will sincerely offer my resignation from this forum. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, What you said was rude and uncalled for. All I let out is that I am not a Hyppocrit. Thats all. And I accept your apology. I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! Best regards, ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. 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Get started.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 06:20:38 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <318911.47796.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <647111.46451.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep. Lets agree to disagree and that there are numerous views. It was a full day of argumentative discussions and towards the end it kind of started getting ugly. I never want ugliness. Friends we are with one common interest. Nakamichi. Lets Nak,nak nak and not Nit pick. I started it, i am ending this topic. NO more. Enough said. Long live Nakamichi. Regards Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Friends, Please do not come onto each other is such harsh terms - it is really not necessary. I think this whole thing was about everyone airing their views about why Jeff charges this much for his service. Having said that, the consensus is that service does exist for lesser charges and Jeff is at the top of the pyramid - in terms of thoroughness and extend of service. So let us move forward and hope that things do change for the better - if they do not, then its already at its best and we have to accept that. I think Ram is furious as to why someone should charge so much and get away from it. Looking at the bigger picture, I can understand both Ram and Jeff's point of view and respect both. My request is that Jeff also services customers who do not want a full overhaul. But since alternatives exist (like Tom), and Jeff feels that he'd rather concentrate on the full restorations, what can we say? Mike, Ram and everyone else. I think its time to put an end to this topic as everyone seems to have aired their views. Any further we go will only result in unwanted bitterness. Let us be friends. Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:30:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Ram: I let the forum members to make their own decision. If what other members decide that what you claim is correct I will sincerely offer my resignation from this forum. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, What you said was rude and uncalled for. All I let out is that I am not a Hyppocrit. Thats all. And I accept your apology. I have not accused anyone of anything. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for myself as well. With all respect, how do you know that I am a Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free market society. I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading that way right now !!! I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my sincere appology. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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This looks interesting... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Roland > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:01 AM > To: navtalk > Subject: [naktalk] Interesting (cheap) item on eBay > > No, I am not the seller. I happen to catch this item on the 'YOU LOSE' > email that eBay sends when you lost out on an auction. > > I thought it was interesting enough to mention here as it applies to > cassette recorders in general. > > It does not state the length of the DVD but I did send a question to the > seller. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hardouin at intnet.mu Mon Apr 2 07:13:02 2007 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:13:02 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Deck Td700 Mk 1 Message-ID: <001101c774e5$984a2fc0$0400000a@DARWIN> Hi, Got a cassete deck TD700MK 1 dating 1977 and am looking for some spre parts .I would be gald to hear from you about any information on this subject Thanks and regards Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Apr 3 07:37:43 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:37:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 Message-ID: I agree its about time to give Jeff a rest. I would really appreciate some guidance on my 550 as below. David Message: 2 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:07:17 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" After looking into the insides of my 550 portable Nak I may have disturbed something for my first field recording had nothing on the right channel. After disassembly and careful reassembly the recording is back on the right channel but not perfectly. After recording, the right channel has some distortion in the playback. I replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made no difference. Also the bias setting does not come up fully in the right channel. I then discovered that this does not occur with the normal tape setting. Only with the CrO2 setting. Same with mic or line input and dolby makes no difference. Can anyone suggest where to look for the cause, please? David From tansuntjay at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 08:18:14 2007 From: tansuntjay at gmail.com (Tan Sun Tjay) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:18:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? Pioneer T-D7 ?? In-Reply-To: <18223523.1175572735006.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <008d01c775b7$dea8fc30$0401a8c0@D4LXC55> Digital processing system on-board 3 head single tape deck T-D7 Desired retail price: 68,250 Yen * Digital processing system loading. Actualizing the substantial improvement of the sound quality functional aspect. * Digital noise reduction loading. * The legato link conversion by the fact that it loads, to extend the upper limit to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural sound is possible. * Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment. * If sound recording is started instantaneously playback sound of the source equipment starts with the connection with the digital equipment, and music stops, convenient digital synchronizer functional loading where also sound recording stops. * It loads digital FLEX function, clearing playing back sound. * Digital XD FLAT SYSTEM loading. According to the tape which you use sound recording frequency characteristic tuning to flat. * The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is adjusted automatically, digital ALCA functional loading. Tape deck T-D7 65,000 Yen earlier December 1,000 units 　After the cassette being developed, 30 years or more elapses, even with age of digital media appearance, It succeeded in improving the sound quality and performance substantially with the development of the technology which digitalizes the internal signal processing of the analog tape deck, being domestic, to receive high appraisal it was possible that high sound quality. As for this technology, hiss noise (just the noise, “sir”) analyzing with digital processing, because it is possible, to remove, also the tape where the hiss noise which past is recorded is many clearing playing back with the sound quality is possible. 　This time sells “T-D7” this corporation individual technology “Z=concept to load the “legato was developed because of digital audio equipment such as CD player including the “digital processing system”, link conversion” which, the efficiency which is approached digitally with analog sound recording was actualized, it is the high sound quality model. Mechanism and the circuit anew the design, in addition, front panel the advanced and high-class impression finished in the design which overflows. “Digital processing system” 　Usually, in the tape deck the analog signal which is recorded on the tape is grasped with the head, the line before outputting that signal, the cassette peculiar revision work such as “revision of high pass” and “revision of level” becomes necessary. These were done until recently in all analog circuits. In addition, friction of the tape and the head hiss noise occurred with cause, function for the noise decrease like Dolby noise reduction in order to decrease this spread. In addition at this corporation, the function, original technology “FLEX” which reproduces the tape where high pass is confined to clearing was loaded, but it was something this due to the analog circuit. 　This consecutive process (high pass revision level revision noise removal “FLEX” and so on) being everything digital, the signal the fact that it processes is the “digital processing system”. 　Analog In addition to the fact that deterioration of the signal is little in comparison with the circuit, analyzing just hiss noise with digital signal processing, in order to remove, SN ratio improves markedly and (90dB which is a match to CD), actualizes clean sound.
1. “Digital processing system” loading Function for signal processing and the pioneer individual high sound quality conversion which have done until recently in the analog circuit (XD FLAT, ALCA and FLEX) by the fact that signal processing being digital, it actualized the substantial improvement of the sound quality functional aspect. 　 2. “Digital noise reduction” loading When playing back the cassette peculiar hiss noise which occurs, analyzing with digital processing, it decreases substantially by the fact that it removes, it actualizes the high SN ratio which is equal to the digital equipment. For example, also the tape whose 10 years ago is old, clearing revives with the sound quality. 3. “Legato link conversion” loading In case of the tape deck, the metal tape (the type � “), the upper limit of playback frequency zone becomes approximately 21kHz even with when you use, but this corporation individual technology by the fact that the “legato is adopted for the digital audio equipment until recently link conversion” which is loaded, the upper limit is extended to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural sound is made possible. 4. Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment >From the digital re-gray fabric where such as CD sampling frequency had the OPTICAL output of 44.1kHz and MD, making input digitally, it makes sound recording possible. With T-D7 the simplicity of connection with the other equipment it considered, the digital input terminal (OPTICAL) provided even on the front. 5. Digital synchronizer functional loading With the connection with the digital equipment, when playback sound of the source equipment (input of the digital data is grasped, if) green sound is started instantaneously starts and music stops, it is the convenient function where also sound recording stops. 6. Digital FLEX (Frequency Level Expander) functional loading Sound of the tape being confined, as for the main cause of being audible, there is sound quality deterioration of high pass. Digital FLEX adjusts high pass level to 1/f quality automatically and is packed, even with the tape which the sound whose high pass quality is bad is confined clearing plays back with sound. 7. Digital XD (Extended Dynamic Range) FLAT SYSTEM loading Sound recording frequency characteristic is tuned to flat according to the tape which you use, furthermore, the dynamic range of high pass is expanded. 8. Digital ALCA (AUTO Level Control with tape Analysis) Functional loading The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is adjusted automatically, sound recording of optimum level is made possible. 9. The adoption “of Z-concept]” Z-concept technology is formed by the below-mentioned three technologies, decreases the waveform distortion and by the fact that accurate signal transmission is pursued, assures high sound quality conversion. 1) Stabilizer signal detection Removing the vibration and resonance, as you improve wow flutter, it actualizes the signal detection which it stabilizes. a) Cassette stabilizer Cassette half the rotational oscillation of the motor, is protected from the vibration from the sound pressure and outside, It increases. The special stabilizer of approximately 70g is equipped on receiving side of the substance, cassette half is held effectively with software touch. By the fact that the vibration is held down, stability travelling is actualized and clearing whose irregularity noise is little sound is reproduced. b) Digital tension stabilizer According to the size of winding diameter of the tape, the micro-computer controls the voltage of the reel motor, does retraction with proper tape tension. Especially, so far to become unstable, the tape which is tend it starts winding wow flutter improves. c) Wing chassis Form of sabot of adapter unit of power transformer and adapter unit of cassette mechanic manufacture The husband it does, it isolates the circuit baseplate from power transformer and the rotational oscillation of the motor by from the insulator effectively letting escape the vibration outside. 2) Accurate transmission (time base accurate transmission) The high speed active servo regulator which is formed from the amplifier private trance coil was adopted for the amplifier power circuit. It is possible to make the power supply voltage fluctuation stabilize with load fluctuation instantaneously with high-speed servo. In other words, be able to follow to also the sudden fluctuation of the music signal speedily, faithfully you record play back the source where the dynamic range of CD and the like is wide. 3) Jitter free conversion (time base faithful conversion) As is adopted for DAC, noise outside zone is attenuated, the precision due to clock jitter was improved. 10. Other merits Dolby B/C type NR Dolby HX PRO (elapsed time of sound recording playback) 4 column electronic counter tape remaining amount time indication Front and back 15 tune jump selections of music headphone terminal Timer sound recording playback CD-Deck synchronizer [attaching REC mute
Wow and flutter 0.09%WRMS (JIS) Frequency characteristic (type 4) 20Hz~21kHz Audio frequency range (type 4) 20Hz~40kHz Frequency characteristic (type 2) 20Hz~20kHz Audio frequency range (type 2) 20Hz~40kHz Frequency characteristic (type 1) 20Hz~20kHz Audio frequency range (type 1) 20Hz~40kHz SN ratio (DOLBY NR-OFF) 82dB* (DOLBY NR-ON) 90dB* (TYPE Ⅰ tape third distortion factor ratio 3%, auditory sensation weighting and band-pass filter) Size 420 (W) ×128 (H) ×280(D) mm Mass 5.0kg Electric power consumption 19W * With main deck of digital system loading, the specifications when you use digital NR -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:59 PM To: navtalk Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? We were discussing a new three head deck that was available only in Japan. I think it was a Pioneer, the price was aroud $600 and it did the noise reduction and headroom expansion in the digital domain, then reverted back to analog to be put on tape. Does anyone remember the model number for the deck or the link? My hard drive ate itself and I had lost all bookmarks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 3 09:46:22 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:46:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <233095.21660.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oi! Accusing NakTalk members of hypocrisy just because they don't share your opinions is way out of order! That's insulting and entirely uncalled for. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 03 April 2007 03:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Tue Apr 3 10:40:13 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:40:13 +0100 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <233095.21660.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233095.21660.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <461212ED.9050704@whiteapple.u-net.com> Well Ram, first ESL is the target of your diatribe, now every one (including me) who disagrees with your views are hypocrites. I resent your accusation and you being offensive, strident and believing that your own view is paramount above all others is something far worse than hypocrisy!. It would be best to apologise and then just shut up. Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Bala, > > Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak > their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. > > We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak > Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service > them or not sell them parts. > > I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can > buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. > > I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. > > Reagrds > Ram > > *//* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 3 10:44:24 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:44:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? Pioneer T-D7 ?? In-Reply-To: <008d01c775b7$dea8fc30$0401a8c0@D4LXC55> References: <18223523.1175572735006.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> <008d01c775b7$dea8fc30$0401a8c0@D4LXC55> Message-ID: <20070403084420.JBMW23423.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Ah yes, that's the cassette deck that I was making reference. By any chance, have you heard this player in action? At 02:18 AM 4/3/2007, you wrote: >Digital processing system on-board 3 head single tape deck T-D7 > >Desired retail price: 68,250 Yen > >* Digital processing system loading. Actualizing the substantial >improvement of the sound quality functional aspect. >* Digital noise reduction loading. >* The legato link conversion by the fact that it loads, to extend >the upper limit to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural >sound is possible. >* Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment. >* If sound recording is started instantaneously playback sound of >the source equipment starts with the connection with the digital >equipment, and music stops, convenient digital synchronizer >functional loading where also sound recording stops. >* It loads digital FLEX function, clearing playing back sound. >* Digital XD FLAT SYSTEM loading. According to the tape which you >use sound recording frequency characteristic tuning to flat. >* The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is >adjusted automatically, digital ALCA functional loading. > >Tape deck T-D7 65,000 Yen earlier December 1,000 units From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 3 12:21:09 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:21:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? Pioneer T-D7 ?? In-Reply-To: <008d01c775b7$dea8fc30$0401a8c0@D4LXC55> Message-ID: That's the one. When I had a bit more money, I tried to buy one via Japan Amazon but I couldn't get them to reply to my emails ... while Pioneer themselves didn't want to export them into Europe. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tan Sun Tjay Sent: 03 April 2007 07:18 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? Pioneer T-D7 ?? Digital processing system on-board 3 head single tape deck T-D7 Desired retail price: 68,250 Yen * Digital processing system loading. Actualizing the substantial improvement of the sound quality functional aspect. * Digital noise reduction loading. * The legato link conversion by the fact that it loads, to extend the upper limit to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural sound is possible. * Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment. * If sound recording is started instantaneously playback sound of the source equipment starts with the connection with the digital equipment, and music stops, convenient digital synchronizer functional loading where also sound recording stops. * It loads digital FLEX function, clearing playing back sound. * Digital XD FLAT SYSTEM loading. According to the tape which you use sound recording frequency characteristic tuning to flat. * The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is adjusted automatically, digital ALCA functional loading. Tape deck T-D7 65,000 Yen earlier December 1,000 units 　After the cassette being developed, 30 years or more elapses, even with age of digital media appearance, It succeeded in improving the sound quality and performance substantially with the development of the technology which digitalizes the internal signal processing of the analog tape deck, being domestic, to receive high appraisal it was possible that high sound quality. As for this technology, hiss noise (just the noise, “sir”) analyzing with digital processing, because it is possible, to remove, also the tape where the hiss noise which past is recorded is many clearing playing back with the sound quality is possible. 　This time sells “T-D7” this corporation individual technology “Z=concept to load the “legato was developed because of digital audio equipment such as CD player including the “digital processing system”, link conversion” which, the efficiency which is approached digitally with analog sound recording was actualized, it is the high sound quality model. Mechanism and the circuit anew the design, in addition, front panel the advanced and high-class impression finished in the design which overflows. “Digital processing system” 　Usually, in the tape deck the analog signal which is recorded on the tape is grasped with the head, the line before outputting that signal, the cassette peculiar revision work such as “revision of high pass” and “revision of level” becomes necessary. These were done until recently in all analog circuits. In addition, friction of the tape and the head hiss noise occurred with cause, function for the noise decrease like Dolby noise reduction in order to decrease this spread. In addition at this corporation, the function, original technology “FLEX” which reproduces the tape where high pass is confined to clearing was loaded, but it was something this due to the analog circuit. 　This consecutive process (high pass revision level revision noise removal “FLEX” and so on) being everything digital, the signal the fact that it processes is the “digital processing system”. 　Analog In addition to the fact that deterioration of the signal is little in comparison with the circuit, analyzing just hiss noise with digital signal processing, in order to remove, SN ratio improves markedly and (90dB which is a match to CD), actualizes clean sound.
1. “Digital processing system” loading Function for signal processing and the pioneer individual high sound quality conversion which have done until recently in the analog circuit (XD FLAT, ALCA and FLEX) by the fact that signal processing being digital, it actualized the substantial improvement of the sound quality functional aspect. 　 2. “Digital noise reduction” loading When playing back the cassette peculiar hiss noise which occurs, analyzing with digital processing, it decreases substantially by the fact that it removes, it actualizes the high SN ratio which is equal to the digital equipment. For example, also the tape whose 10 years ago is old, clearing revives with the sound quality. 3. “Legato link conversion” loading In case of the tape deck, the metal tape (the type � “), the upper limit of playback frequency zone becomes approximately 21kHz even with when you use, but this corporation individual technology by the fact that the “legato is adopted for the digital audio equipment until recently link conversion” which is loaded, the upper limit is extended to approximately 40kHz, playback of more natural sound is made possible. 4. Digital input terminal (OPTICAL) equipment >From the digital re-gray fabric where such as CD sampling frequency had the OPTICAL output of 44.1kHz and MD, making input digitally, it makes sound recording possible. With T-D7 the simplicity of connection with the other equipment it considered, the digital input terminal (OPTICAL) provided even on the front. 5. Digital synchronizer functional loading With the connection with the digital equipment, when playback sound of the source equipment (input of the digital data is grasped, if) green sound is started instantaneously starts and music stops, it is the convenient function where also sound recording stops. 6. Digital FLEX (Frequency Level Expander) functional loading Sound of the tape being confined, as for the main cause of being audible, there is sound quality deterioration of high pass. Digital FLEX adjusts high pass level to 1/f quality automatically and is packed, even with the tape which the sound whose high pass quality is bad is confined clearing plays back with sound. 7. Digital XD (Extended Dynamic Range) FLAT SYSTEM loading Sound recording frequency characteristic is tuned to flat according to the tape which you use, furthermore, the dynamic range of high pass is expanded. 8. Digital ALCA (AUTO Level Control with tape Analysis) Functional loading The digital input sound recording time, sound recording level is adjusted automatically, sound recording of optimum level is made possible. 9. The adoption “of Z-concept]” Z-concept technology is formed by the below-mentioned three technologies, decreases the waveform distortion and by the fact that accurate signal transmission is pursued, assures high sound quality conversion. 1) Stabilizer signal detection Removing the vibration and resonance, as you improve wow flutter, it actualizes the signal detection which it stabilizes. a) Cassette stabilizer Cassette half the rotational oscillation of the motor, is protected from the vibration from the sound pressure and outside, It increases. The special stabilizer of approximately 70g is equipped on receiving side of the substance, cassette half is held effectively with software touch. By the fact that the vibration is held down, stability travelling is actualized and clearing whose irregularity noise is little sound is reproduced. b) Digital tension stabilizer According to the size of winding diameter of the tape, the micro-computer controls the voltage of the reel motor, does retraction with proper tape tension. Especially, so far to become unstable, the tape which is tend it starts winding wow flutter improves. c) Wing chassis Form of sabot of adapter unit of power transformer and adapter unit of cassette mechanic manufacture The husband it does, it isolates the circuit baseplate from power transformer and the rotational oscillation of the motor by from the insulator effectively letting escape the vibration outside. 2) Accurate transmission (time base accurate transmission) The high speed active servo regulator which is formed from the amplifier private trance coil was adopted for the amplifier power circuit. It is possible to make the power supply voltage fluctuation stabilize with load fluctuation instantaneously with high-speed servo. In other words, be able to follow to also the sudden fluctuation of the music signal speedily, faithfully you record play back the source where the dynamic range of CD and the like is wide. 3) Jitter free conversion (time base faithful conversion) As is adopted for DAC, noise outside zone is attenuated, the precision due to clock jitter was improved. 10. Other merits Dolby B/C type NR Dolby HX PRO (elapsed time of sound recording playback) 4 column electronic counter tape remaining amount time indication Front and back 15 tune jump selections of music headphone terminal Timer sound recording playback CD-Deck synchronizer [attaching REC mute
Wow and flutter 0.09%WRMS (JIS) Frequency characteristic (type 4) 20Hz~21kHz Audio frequency range (type 4) 20Hz~40kHz Frequency characteristic (type 2) 20Hz~20kHz Audio frequency range (type 2) 20Hz~40kHz Frequency characteristic (type 1) 20Hz~20kHz Audio frequency range (type 1) 20Hz~40kHz SN ratio (DOLBY NR-OFF) 82dB* (DOLBY NR-ON) 90dB* (TYPE Ⅰ tape third distortion factor ratio 3%, auditory sensation weighting and band-pass filter) Size 420 (W) ×128 (H) ×280(D) mm Mass 5.0kg Electric power consumption 19W * With main deck of digital system loading, the specifications when you use digital NR -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:59 PM To: navtalk Subject: [naktalk] Mind if I ask about a cassette deck? We were discussing a new three head deck that was available only in Japan. I think it was a Pioneer, the price was aroud $600 and it did the noise reduction and headroom expansion in the digital domain, then reverted back to analog to be put on tape. Does anyone remember the model number for the deck or the link? My hard drive ate itself and I had lost all bookmarks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 3 14:47:31 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:47:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin and speaking your mind In-Reply-To: <739636.72873.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <739636.72873.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46124CE3.1060807@snet.net> I've been on this list for nearly ten years. A search on the earliest archives will show me as one of the original contributors to the web site with detailed info about various models. I have seen some flames go back and forth and even saw Wouter banish a member of this forum for being excessively rude. Even so, I think I'm about two postings away from removing myself as this discussion really seems to be going nowhere. Simply put, go where you want to go for service. There are choices and we all have a right to whatever choice we want to make. That's it. Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Well said Larry. > Ram > > Larry Sachs wrote: > > Ok Guys, > > Enough is enough. Give it a rest already. Honestly, how many times > can you guys say the same thing over and over again. You remind > me of lawyers who are being paid by the word. Anybody who wants > Galin to work on their deck and is willing to pay his asking price > has every right to spend his or her money that way. Anybody who > can't afford him or is unwilling to pay that much can look for > service elsewhere. If Galin only wants to take on restoration > work as opposed to repair work that is his right as well. > > I say turn this board back to a discussion about the decks and how > to keep them adjusted and running and finding parts and such. > There, I have spoken my mind. > > Larry > > > LENA WONG wrote: > > Ram: > Of course you can say whatsoever you want to say but > please don't try to guess what is in my mind. You can speak > for yourself but please don't try to say that you speak for > myself as well. > > With all respect, how do you know that I am a > Hyppocrit? Who tell you that I am afraid of Jeff G. ? I don't > need parts or service from him but I truely believe in free > market society. > > I think this forum is for people to discuss about Nak > freely but not personnal attack and I think you are heading > that way right now !!! > > I don't care what you say about Jeff G. because this is > not important in my life but don't try to talk like everybody > agrees in what you have said so far. At least I am not !!! > > If what I said so far has offend anyone here I offer my > sincere appology. > > > > Best Regards, > Mike > > > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Bala, > > Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not > choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and > speak differently. > > We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no > one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear > he might not service them or not sell them parts. > > I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have > others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back > for advice to. > > I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. > > Reagrds > Ram > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Dr Ram, > > What is this challenge all about really? It > looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps > because of his status and not wanting to antagonize > him. But I think it was good because it really rattled > Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out > there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to > question Jeff freely. > > > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: shanti ramachandran > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives > very expenisive advice. > > Gra" > > I shall prove that there are technicians who can do > the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. > > This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. > > Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service > center here in the USA! > > I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. > > PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will > happen sooner than later. > Ram > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even > very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he > hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems > long before his accident derailed him more > completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't > do much for his business. Plus, he never was able > to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand > ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to > invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any > cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that > time.) > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com > Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives > very expenisive > advice. > > > We can easily put him out of business...Just don't > send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen > Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the > phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! > Best regards, > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and > previews at Yahoo! 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Your new message! > Get new email alerts > > with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > <%0Ahttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Apr 3 16:18:47 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:18:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Meter Problem Message-ID: My 580 has recently developed a problem with the left vu meter. When in play mode the meter goes to the 0 mark and sets there waiting for the music to start. Same thing with record mode. Other than that it works fine. Is this common, an easy fix, or is it time to find a service tech? Thanks, Dennis Ball From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Apr 3 16:34:04 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin and speaking your mind In-Reply-To: <46124CE3.1060807@snet.net> References: <739636.72873.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46124CE3.1060807@snet.net> Message-ID: <18253.212.78.164.66.1175610844.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ok, Ed, you I don't want to lose: 'Emergency moderation of all list traffic is enabled' So until things settle down, i'll have to be reading everything for a while... Wouter ps. and Yes, this is the 10th year already... > I've been on this list for nearly ten years. A search on the earliest > archives will show me as one of the original contributors to the web > site with detailed info about various models. I have seen some flames go > back and forth and even saw Wouter banish a member of this forum for > being excessively rude. > > Even so, I think I'm about two postings away from removing myself as > this discussion really seems to be going nowhere. Simply put, go where > you want to go for service. There are choices and we all have a right to > whatever choice we want to make. That's it. > > Ed > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 3 17:15:02 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:15:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair References: <000101c77513$390efb20$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <01cd01c77602$da794020$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> MessageShaun I can certainly endorse what U said about MD Audio Visual. Although the guy there din't have what I was after [a CR-3 reel motor] he was extremely helpful & ready to pass on information. They do repairs for local nakamichi units & only charge currently £12.50 for estimating [the norm now I believe is arounf £40+VAT] & do servicing for a low rate as well [dependant on model]. Will definitely try them out myself when I need the deck fixing again as the first contact did impress with their courteous response & helpful approach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair And the days that they are open are Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: 02 April 2007 09:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Details are on Google etc [on the Idorset site] but no own website MD Audio Visual 167 Barrack Road Christchurch Dorset BH23 2AP Telephone: 01202 473901 Fax: 01202 473901 Mobile: Not listed Contact Name: Not listed ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair as i listen to Ralph Towner's guitar on my CR7 i want to thank you Shaun for letting us know about MD Audio Visual in the UK. It s nice to know what our repair options are on both sides of the Atlantic especially now that both my CR3 and BX125 need servicing (haven t had any trouble with my beloved CR7 since i purchased it new in 1993 and i hope it stays that way for another 14 years) perhaps seeking out and sharing info on Nak service people should be what our fellow Nakers' focus should be on the reapair/rebuilding front and just let ESL remain another option. Have you got a web address or phone number for MD audio. A Google search yielded no results. Thanks martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Shaun Montgomery" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:19:39 +0100 As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. 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Name: magnify.gif Type: image/gif Size: 889 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 17:06:36 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:06:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sleep In-Reply-To: References: <200704030354.l333s9FN007815@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403100636.00881480@earthlink.net> At 03:10 PM 4/3/07 +1100, you wrote: >... don't you people up top ever sleep?. >MS > I was lucky enough to receive a phone call from Bala at 2 pm in the US. I realized quickly that it was night in Singapore. " 3AM" he gaily said. "I never sleep!" So there you go! tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 17:15:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:15:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Deck Td700 Mk 1 In-Reply-To: <001101c774e5$984a2fc0$0400000a@DARWIN> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403101529.008817a0@earthlink.net> What parts do you need? Belts will have to be generic substitutes. tom brucker At 09:13 AM 4/2/07 +0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi, Got a cassete deck TD700MK 1 dating 1977 and am looking for some spre parts .I would be gald to hear from you about any information on this subject Thanks and regards Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 16:49:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: BX-2 Problems (was: Re: [naktalk] re: Jeff Galin gives very expensiveadvice) In-Reply-To: <46116342.2030206@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> Antione, The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn before causing severe problems. Do #1 before #2. #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and adjust until they feel the same. If the tape still curls, try exchanging the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the cassette cover plate. Is it detached? The head base has a pin that rides on the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head base holding. The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. HTH tom brucker At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. > >I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. > >1ST deck > >A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. > >Now, the fixes I brought already : >1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >burnishing, that's done. >2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >now. > >Problems with the black BX-2 : >----------------------------------- >1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >to fix this one, it's just a little painful. > >---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. > >---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. > >---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. > > >2ND deck > >A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. > >Problems with the silver BX-2 : >----------------------------------- >1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. > >2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. > >---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >I don't feel like paying shipping twice. > > >Antoine > >Hi Tech a écrit : >> Antione, >> Have you posted the 2 BX 2 problems here? I will try and help. I believe >> in respectful debate. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 08:47 PM 4/1/07 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> I had fun deleting about 50 posts telling 2-3 different opinions on this >>> subject today. >>> >>> Debates here seem to get even worse than ones on IBOC / Hybrid Digital >>> radio in the FMTuners group on Yahoo, with about 2500 members. >>> >>> I agree that maybe the repair costs of a ZXL should be high since no >>> more parts are being manufactured for it, and a few persons have the >>> right tools to repair them. Try to find cheap NOS Mullard tubes, it's >>> the same thing. >>> >>> But, say, my two BX-2s for example, they sell for nothing. The cheapest >>> price I could find to be able to know what the problem with the decks >>> was, to simply get them to be able to play a cassette, was at least $30 >>> per unit(In a local Nak-certified repair shop that doesn't even know >>> what aligning a tuner is : forget it). >>> >>> I have two good-for-nothing decks waiting to be repaired, I currently >>> have $40 CAD - nothing else, and I would have to ship my units far away >>> to know that it's probably just a few $5 rubber parts(Pinch rollers, >>> idler) that are too old. Is there a way to get ANY old electronics >>> working without paying at least $100? (I have two Nak BX-2s, a >>> Superscope CD-330, a Sansui TU-D99X tuner and a Toshiba PC-G22 cassette >>> desk that are screwed but I can't repair : >>> >>> Simply because tuners need people to have tons of expensive tools to >>> work on them, >>> and there's almost no help and information for cassette decks on the >>> Internet(OK, there's naktalk, but the only thing I've been able to fix >>> by going here is the cam motor, and to know that orange caps are the >>> cause of my recording dropouts. Kermit tried to help much, but where is >>> he now?) >>> >>> Isy Fidelman a écrit : >>> >>>> Let's just go back to Naks and music my friends >>>> >>>> Isy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 17:21:54 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403102154.008817a0@earthlink.net> David, two areas cause problems in the first generation Naks. The most common are the gold cable and edge connectors. Each pin must be slightly bent towards the connectors' center so the finger puts more pressure on the circuit board. This is a bit tedious, and you will need a narrow pointed tool. The secong area is the record / play switch. It is the long multi pin slide switch. Clean by spraying Caig brand DeOxit cleaner in one end, and let the cleaner run through. Other traditional contact cleaners will work about 30 days. You may still find replacement switches, but installation requires quite a bit of soldering. On the 550 specifically, the tape type push switches also require cleaning with deoxit. drill a small hole about 2mm from the switch body rear, and spray deoxit. If you desire you can put a spot of silicone to reseal the switch. tom brucker At 03:37 PM 4/3/07 +1000, you wrote: >I agree its about time to give Jeff a rest. > >I would really appreciate some guidance on my 550 as below. > >David > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:07:17 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >After looking into the insides of my 550 portable Nak I may have disturbed >something for my first field recording had nothing on the right channel. >After disassembly and careful reassembly the recording is back on the right >channel but not perfectly. > >After recording, the right channel has some distortion in the playback. I >replaced Q302 in the bias osc but this made no difference. Also the bias >setting does not come up fully in the right channel. >I then discovered that this does not occur with the normal tape setting. >Only with the CrO2 setting. Same with mic or line input and dolby makes no >difference. > >Can anyone suggest where to look for the cause, please? > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 17:49:33 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:49:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice In-Reply-To: <8C943B84F62A754-BF8-A179@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com> References: <200704030233.l332XJY0007149@zxe.naks.com> <200704030233.l332XJY0007149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403104933.008881f0@earthlink.net> John, I plan to purchse the WES classic Nakamichi belt on your recommendation. I was searching their catalog for the BX 1 idler, since my source has suddenly been discontinued. Is the CIA718 idler by any chance the Nakamichi? I e mailed them to ask for measurements, and received only prices. The RT3319 tire does not measure correctly, even though it is described as "DR series tire". thank you. tom brucker At 11:35 PM 4/2/07 -0400, johngipps at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Ram and everyone else I spoke on Jeff's side not "because of his status and not wanting to antagonise him", but because I agree with what he does in the main part. My own business had similarities - we took our time to do very high quality work - we worked on all Naks - from 500s to 1000ZXLs - and we charged accordingly. If I was still in business and you were in Australia, you'd probably be saying "John Gipps is very expensive and hasn't got time to give free advice". But seriously guys, this is getting really boring now - you've done it to death. I just went through about 12 emails and almost every topic was "Jeff G.....advice". Can't you give it a rest now and get back to topics about Nakamichis rather than about people. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 24 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-request%40naks.com",>naktalk-request@ naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-owner%40naks.com",>naktalk-owner at naks .com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 2. Re: 1000zxl service equipment? (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 3. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) 4. Re: Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("bg3009%40yahoo.com",>bg3009 at yahoo.com> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("82158.51580.qm%40web39611.mail.mud.yahoo. com",>82158.51580.qm at web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 @yahoo.com> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("grahamanelson%40googlemail.com",>grahaman elson at googlemail.com> wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com",>naktalk-bounces@ naks.com [<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com%5dOn",>mailto:nak talk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nakamichi%40ispwest.com",>nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ 20070402/89b21144/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("bg3009%40yahoo.com",>bg3009 at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("474321.51980.qm%40web39612.mail.mud.yahoo .com",>474321.51980.qm at web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes its the test box I am referring to. Yes the ZXLs had the extension card. I got around the 1000ZXL by removing the side panel for the playback board. For the rest of the cards, I soldered wires from the test points, and remove adjacent cards in order to access the adjustment points. Yes the 5Hz tape is another special addition. The 1000ZXL reminds me of Ampex's effort to built a world's first workable video recorder. 20 years later, Sony and JVC essentially put much of the complex circuitry in ICs and came out with smaller, more reliable units. However, it isn't to say that 1000ZXL was way ahead of its time, but Nakamichi set out really high goals in order to achieve full equalization control and a automated system that resulted in a tight, and ruler flat response for a full frequency range. And remember, at that time the other makers like Aiwa were not even quoting full freq response for their top decks yet. But in retrospect, it is a little over complex (my wife asked me - this is a cassette deck, what is there to compute?) for the average user who just wants a good recorder or to get the best off his pre-recorded tapes. But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they almost seem to posses their own character. How strange we are! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("kby%2bnaktalk%40alumni.caltech.edu",>kby+ naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu> To: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 6:47:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? The odd one is the ABLE alignment jig. ABLE alignment jig? I can't remember off the top of my head what it is you're referring to..the test box? I think there are also some extender cards (one for the 1000zxl and one or two for the 700zxl) that make life easier (although lack of the 700zxl's card can be worked around). There is also the 5Hz RAMM signal adjustment tape. I prefer to think of the 1000zxl as an example (both the good and the bad aspects) of what is usually referred to as an "over-engineered" machine. It's really remarkable for what it accomplishes, but for the average user/person, it's overkill at the cost of excessive complexity. I have a soft spot for those kinds of examples.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("Naktalk%40naks.com",>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ 20070402/c6199cb5/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 @yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("20070403022642.12944.qmail%40web36806.mai l.mud.yahoo.com",>20070403022642.12944.qmail at web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, The whole purpose of generating that kind of talk was to develop a consensus, that, ESL is unfairly expensive! While I belive that Jeff Galin was a fantastic technician, I also believe that he is ridiculously expensive. I am sure that there are techs( like you or Tom for example) that can and will refurbish at a reasonable fee with great quality our beloved Naks, including the mighty 1000ZXL, even in the absence of so called jigs. This challenge was to get people like Tom, you and many other Nak passionates out there to tone up and get it going so Jeff can realise he is not the only one! I hope I motivated at least one technician in a country so we are covered all over the globe. You see Bala, monopoly isnt good for business exept the business that has monopoly. Competition spawns higher quality and fair prices and efficient( speedier) service. I hope you got my drift! Lets get this kicking. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("bg3009%40yahoo.com",>bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 @yahoo.com> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("grahamanelson%40googlemail.com",>grahaman elson at googlemail.com> wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com",>naktalk-bounces@ naks.com [<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com%5dOn",>mailto:nak talk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nakamichi%40ispwest.com",>nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ 20070402/10e3e6d4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 @yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("233095.21660.qm%40web36804.mail.mud.yahoo .com",>233095.21660.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bala, Unfortunately, we live in a world where people do not choose to speak their minds. They think one thing and speak differently. We are a Hyppocratic society. sad but true. Therefore no one in Nak Talk antagonises Jeff Galin and ESL, for fear he might not service them or not sell them parts. I am unlike those, fearless, Bala. If I wreck one I have others I can buy or people like Tom and you to fall back for advice to. I speak my mind. I can not be a Hyppocrit. Reagrds Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("bg3009%40yahoo.com",>bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote: Dr Ram, What is this challenge all about really? It looked like a lot of people sided with him, perhaps because of his status and not wanting to antagonize him. But I think it was good because it really rattled Naktalk down to its foundations that people were out there collecting Nakamichis and could afford to question Jeff freely. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 @yahoo.com> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:53:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra" I shall prove that there are technicians who can do the same thing at a fair fee schedule than ESL. This is a personal challenge to you and ESL. Nak Talkers, rest assured we shall have such a service center here in the USA! I believe in putting my money where my mouth is! I shall. PLease watch Gra'.....and ye shall see. This will happen sooner than later. Ram Graham Nelson <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("grahamanelson%40googlemail.com",>grahaman elson at googlemail.com> wrote: Yes, Stephen did give free advice (and he even very generously gave me a BX1 as a present) but he hit the poor guy buffers with cash flow problems long before his accident derailed him more completely. So, free advice and low pricing didn't do much for his business. Plus, he never was able to fix Carlos Gulzman's ZXL, which I understand ESL could have done if Carlos had been willing to invest in it. (But Carlos didn't think any cassette machine was worth refurbishing at that time.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com",>naktalk-bounces@ naks.com [<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk-bounces%40naks.com%5dOn",>mailto:nak talk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("nakamichi%40ispwest.com",>nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 01 April 2007 18:43 To: <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("naktalk%40naks.com",>naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. We can easily put him out of business...Just don't send your Naks to him...It is simple.Stephen Sank USED TO GIVE A LOT OF FREE ADVICE over the phone.So,what? It is just GREED in it's pure form! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 3 18:57:00 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:57:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair In-Reply-To: <01cd01c77602$da794020$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <000501c77611$19c968a0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Yep, that's my opinion of them too. To date they have fixed my 550 twice and my BX-2. The BX-2 I bought for under £5 and they fixed it for about £30 and that included demag, clean tape path and calibrate for TDKSA. Pretty reasonable is how I would describe that. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: 03 April 2007 16:15 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Shaun I can certainly endorse what U said about MD Audio Visual. Although the guy there din't have what I was after [a CR-3 reel motor] he was extremely helpful & ready to pass on information. They do repairs for local nakamichi units & only charge currently £12.50 for estimating [the norm now I believe is arounf £40+VAT] & do servicing for a low rate as well [dependant on model]. Will definitely try them out myself when I need the deck fixing again as the first contact did impress with their courteous response & helpful approach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Montgomery To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair And the days that they are open are Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: 02 April 2007 09:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Details are on Google etc [on the Idorset site] but no own website MD Audio Visual 167 Barrack Road Christchurch Dorset BH23 2AP Telephone: 01202 473901 Magnify telephone number Fax: 01202 473901 Mobile: Not listed Contact Name: Not listed ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair as i listen to Ralph Towner's guitar on my CR7 i want to thank you Shaun for letting us know about MD Audio Visual in the UK. It s nice to know what our repair options are on both sides of the Atlantic especially now that both my CR3 and BX125 need servicing (haven t had any trouble with my beloved CR7 since i purchased it new in 1993 and i hope it stays that way for another 14 years) perhaps seeking out and sharing info on Nak service people should be what our fellow Nakers' focus should be on the reapair/rebuilding front and just let ESL remain another option. Have you got a web address or phone number for MD audio. A Google search yielded no results. Thanks martin _____ From: "Shaun Montgomery" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:19:39 +0100 As I have mentioned before, MD Audio Visual in Barrack Road, Christchurch, Dorset, UK have been repairing/servicing Naks for over 20 years. They have a fair amount of spares such that they sometimes get enquiries from B & W for spares that they are unable to source! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 April 2007 22:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cheaper quality advice & repair Jeff, Thanks. I hope this dialogue continues until we explore and expose all the great Nak technicians who would repair and refurbish at a reasonable fee. No cheap mind you. Reasonable is what alll Nakkers are looking for. Cheap connotes junk...worthless. I mean reasonable and fair! NalkTalkers, come on. There might be more technicians you all know! Let it out so all of us Nak owners have abundant resources. 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Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 3 21:40:06 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:40:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> Hi Tech a écrit : > Antione, > The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch > roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn > before causing severe problems. > It even looks pretty recent. > Do #1 before #2. > #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque > cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode > to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and > adjust until they feel the same. I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter finishing to rewind it. > If the tape still curls, try exchanging > the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's > donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you > describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the > cassette cover plate. Is it detached? The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? > The head base has a pin that rides on > the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head > base holding. > I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. > The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. > Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible though). > HTH > > tom brucker > > At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >> >> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >> >> 1ST deck >> >> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >> >> Now, the fixes I brought already : >> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >> burnishing, that's done. >> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >> now. >> >> Problems with the black BX-2 : >> ----------------------------------- >> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >> >> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >> > >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't > >> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >> >> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >> >> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >> >> >> 2ND deck >> >> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >> >> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >> ----------------------------------- >> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >> >> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >> >> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >> >> >> Antoine >> From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 3 23:58:51 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:58:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? Message-ID: <0E7C936A-B228-457D-8A54-CACBB988B8D6@alumni.caltech.edu> > Yes its the test box I am referring to. Ah, but least the test box can be cobbled together from off-the- shelf parts using the schematic in the service manual, unlike the jigs for mechanical alignment or some of the alignment tapes.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Apr 4 00:32:14 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:32:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today In-Reply-To: <49D0BC57-CD78-4A36-93F5-033DB050BD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 4 00:32:59 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:32:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? Message-ID: <73493C32-5B3F-45CB-962D-0ABBB4E395A1@alumni.caltech.edu> > But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they > almost seem to posses their own character. > > How strange we are! I think over-engineered things, despite their drawbacks tend to have a lot of that character, perhaps because they usually sucked so much of a company's resources to get them out the door. The amount of effort to get such a beast into production often seems exponential with respect to the increasing degree of complexity. Many a good company, even in the better days, has been killed by such products. Read Frederick Brooks' book, "The Mythical Man- Month", especially the chapter on "The Second-System Effect" for backrground--technically the 1000zxl was the third system of its lineage by marketing designation, but maybe the 1000 II was really more of a "version 1.1" rather than a "version 2.0" that the 1000zxl is.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Apr 4 01:01:37 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:01:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 Bug Message-ID: Tom Many thanks for your advice. I will pick up some Deoxit today and see how I go. David >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:54 -0500 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403102154.008817a0 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David, > two areas cause problems in the first generation Naks. The most >common are the gold cable and edge connectors. Each pin must be slightly >bent towards the connectors' center so the finger puts more pressure on the >circuit board. This is a bit tedious, and you will need a narrow pointed >tool. The secong area is the record / play switch. It is the long multi >pin slide switch. Clean by spraying Caig brand DeOxit cleaner in one end, >and let the cleaner run through. Other traditional contact cleaners will >work about 30 days. You may still find replacement switches, but >installation requires quite a bit of soldering. > On the 550 specifically, the tape type push switches also require >cleaning with deoxit. drill a small hole about 2mm from the switch body >rear, and spray deoxit. If you desire you can put a spot of silicone to >reseal the switch. >tom brucker From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 02:24:11 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? Message-ID: <274246.59881.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is true. I have seen complex machinery that almost seem pose their own character. They're more advanced then their brethens and that usually makes us treat them as more then machines. When I worked the ZXLs, I treated it which as much care and respect as I would have given a living patient (if I were a doctor). And for several reasons, we just seem to develop a special bond to it.. The 1000 really put the cassette into the hi-fi spectrum when it came, and the 1000II did little more then that. But the 1000ZXL took things to the highest level by covering every conceivable aspect of cassette tape recording - so yes you are right that this is really the second generation. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 6:32:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service equipment? But its the decks like the ZXLs that have a spot, because they almost seem to posses their own character. How strange we are! I think over-engineered things, despite their drawbacks tend to have a lot of that character, perhaps because they usually sucked so much of a company's resources to get them out the door. The amount of effort to get such a beast into production often seems exponential with respect to the increasing degree of complexity. Many a good company, even in the better days, has been killed by such products. Read Frederick Brooks' book, "The Mythical Man-Month", especially the chapter on "The Second-System Effect" for backrground--technically the 1000zxl was the third system of its lineage by marketing designation, but maybe the 1000 II was really more of a "version 1.1" rather than a "version 2.0" that the 1000zxl is.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed Apr 4 02:29:31 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:29:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4612F16B.8080606@caribsurf.com> I am told by my english audiophile friends that there is good sounding valve(tube) equipment coming out of china and the price is attractive. Perhaps you should explore this source for your audio preamp. The Quad 22 is a valved preamp but it has its limitations. Modern solidstate preamps can sound very good an they do offer exceptional facilities (like remembering the volume level of each source so that when you switch from RIAA, to tuner, to CD, the volume level remains the same as it remembers the differences in level of the sources and compensates! I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. . Philips introduced the digital audio tape recorder which had compatibility with analog tapes and was intended to replace the cassette tape recorders but it never caught on. Sony, at the time, introduced the minidisc which was very popular in Japan and a bit less so in the UK but it was not popular in the USA. I have one which I use for recording live shows - it is much smaller than a Nak (fits in my pocket) and the sound quality when transferred to CD, is very good.. Naks are excellent cassette tape recorders with a frequency response that extends to 20 Khz (and beyond albeit at reduced level). However, the convenience of alternative modern recording/playback equipment helped to make the Naks (and other cassette recorders) redundant. I enjoy listening to my BX300 but good as it is, it does not compare with SACD on playback. When my cassette recorders were faulty, I used the VCR for recording analog with an extended frequency range but it was not a convenient storage system. There is a place for everything! While it is true that CD is limited to 22kHz (there are many who feel that the frequencies above 20 kHz add realism to the playback of recorded music perhaps because although it is beyond our hearing, there are intermodulation products from these frequencies which fall into the normal audio range we have.) Those who favour vinyl are the supporters of extended frequency response and are as fanatic about their equipment as nak owners. I collect concert (music) DVDs but I am disappointed that often the full potential of the DVD for recording wideband audio is not exploited Regards Paul martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > > Dear Nak lovers > > Perhaps comparing Nakamichi quality to other high fidelity components > would provide a better example than plasma TVs or digital technology. > > Take tube amplifiers for instance. to produce a class A tube amp > today with point to point wiring one woud have to dish 10 times the > price one originally cost in the 60s. Simply put the manual > labour required is expensive compared to the labour saving > technology employed in modern electronics. This contradicts the > generalization that a product will become twice as efficient and half > the cost every three to four years. Let s face it, we are dealing with > vintage stuff, and whether it is tube amps, musical instruments or > tape decks, the manufacturing practices needed are not part of the > mainstream, thus more expensive to produce. > > to share an anecdote, I recently visited the electronics department of > a technical college in montreal hoping to find a graduate willing > to build me a stereo tube pre-amp for my late 60s Quad monoblock amps. > To my disapointment (but not to my surprise) tube amp tecnology is not > part of any curriculum. When i mentioned that there was a market > niche for tube equipment, one instructor looked at me as if i was from > another planet. I coud have let him know about McIntosh, Conrad > johnson, Soldano, Mesa Boogie, Quad, Antique Sound Lab and many others > but decided to leave it at that and forget about acquiring a tube > preamp that i could afford. > > So we audiophiles have to have some level of affluence or do a lot of > saving to pay qualified, devoted technicians to (re)build or repair > our vintage equipment. The other option is to embrace the digital age > of robotically produced disposable gear where the law of economies > seems to prevail. > > thanks for listening > > Martin F > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /"Kimo B. Yap" / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /naktalk at naks.com/ > Subject: /[naktalk] Value of Nak today/ > Date: /Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:57:00 -0700/ > > > Not really. There's a law of economies that states a product > will > > become twice as efficient and half the cost every three to > four years. > > > > The fact that some inflationary calculator only shows buying > power > > of money, not the cost of an object. > > > > Three years ago you probably couldn't find a plasma TV for > under > > $7K Now, they are not only more plentiful, they are better > than > > the originals. > > > I think these statements, like the inflation calculator, are only > partly true. From > a certain utilitarian aspect it is true particularly for modern > electronic things, but > only if what you think of as "better" agrees with what the > manufacturers. For the > most part, the manufacturer's goal is usually "cheaper" (to make), > not better. > And "better" when it is considered, usually equates to "more > features." If it happens > to be better quality, or if the feature set happens to be one you > like more, then > that's an added bonus for the manufacturer, but it doesn't seem to > usually be > the explicit goal. > > Things such as build quality and repairability over the long term > aren't usally > included in this equation. Whereas is is probably true the new plasma > screen TVs are cheaper to produce, and, for the parts that are > integrated > together (i.e. the screen itself), the are probably better build > quality.-kby > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low > as $771/month* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 2007-04-03 5:32 AM > From johngipps at aol.com Wed Apr 4 07:05:00 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:05:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WES Components Parts Message-ID: <8C9448DEE9B2BE8-C6C-2C4F@WEBMAIL-RE15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom By the way, WES don't promote it as "the WES classic Nakamichi belt" - that's just what I used it for - and I found it as good as the original Nak part OC08096. I assume that the belts they are offering now are the same - my last order of this part from WES was in about 2000. There was an idler in their catalogue that wasn't exactly the same as a BX idler - but very close - I have used it by necessity dozens of times and it worked just as well as the original Nak part OC80635. I don't know whether it's still in their catalogue - give me a few days to go and fetch my remaining stock and I'll then be able to give you a part number. I can't comment yet on the CIA718 idler. The RT3319 tyre in the WES catalogue was an item I encouraged them to stock for the DT series (500, 600 series) way back - it was fine then, but I haven't ordered any for ages, and it's possible that they may have changed supplier or there may be a misprint in the catalogue re the dimensions. Perhaps get a couple anyway and see what happens. I'll also look out my remaining stock of these and advise in a few days time. Hey, isn't it quiet all of a sudden on this forum. Regards John Gipps John,I plan to purchse the WES classic Nakamichi belt on your recommendation.I was searching their catalog for the BX 1 idler, since my source has suddenly been discontinued. Is the CIA718 idler by any chance the Nakamichi? I e mailed them to ask for measurements, and received only prices. The RT3319 tire does not measure correctly, even though it is described as "DR series tire". thank you. tom brucker ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed Apr 4 13:14:34 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:14:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Do we have Nak Songwriters? Message-ID: <4613889A.9060708@caribsurf.com> I hve just received some spam from Itunes, advertising their latest music: *New in Music* NEW IN MUSIC Don't mess with the Dragon Is this a Nak composition? Regards Paul From adrian at thegreatbear.net Wed Apr 4 16:42:36 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:42:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? References: <497F9823-F3EE-482C-9709-E35DBC0A31B4@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <94310AFC-B5F5-4E86-9DE1-84BC5E5285A4@thegreatbear.net> hi i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non working condition. all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 580_green_caps.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32275 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. adrian From johngipps at aol.com Wed Apr 4 17:24:16 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:24:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <200704041500.l34F0Qse028831@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704041500.l34F0Qse028831@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C944E47111F7BA-F74-C79@WEBMAIL-RD15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Adrian The first 580's were the very first introduction of the dual capstan transport as found in so many models - and in it's earliest form, the pinch rollers were of different diameter. I do recall some early 580's with green caps - at least you've been spared that problem. I think I've got a service manual for that deck - it was a provisional manual and not in the nice blue cover of later 580 series. You'll find pretty well everything other than some transport parts are the same as in later 580's and you'll be able to use the normal service manual for most things. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 36 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Do we have Nak Songwriters? (Paul Carrington) 2. 580 green not orange caps? (adrian at thegreatbear.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:14:34 -0400 From: Paul Carrington Subject: [naktalk] Do we have Nak Songwriters? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4613889A.9060708 at caribsurf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I hve just received some spam from Itunes, advertising their latest music: *New in Music* NEW IN MUSIC Don't mess with the Dragon Is this a Nak composition? Regards Paul ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:42:36 +0100 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <94310AFC-B5F5-4E86-9DE1-84BC5E5285A4 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non working condition. all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 580_green_caps.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32275 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070404/483be70d/580_green_caps.jpg -------------- next part -------------- I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. adrian ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 36 *************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 19:38:26 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:38:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tire for 500,600, etc. reel tables Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070404123826.008898d0@earthlink.net> Thanks to John Gipps there is a reel table tire available for the 600 , 550, 500 transport: WES type RT3319. I intend to order a bulk order for the WES classic Nak belt, and will order these tires if there is a need among NakTalkers. Symptoms of worn reel tires would be shaky, noisy/uneven rewind/ff and possible auto stop at random points. Post to me off list with the number of tires. Cost will be reasonable (can't quote because I didn't ask, but their other prices are reasonable). tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Wed Apr 4 17:19:41 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <94310AFC-B5F5-4E86-9DE1-84BC5E5285A4@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <996162.38680.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: I suspect that those orange caps might already been replaced in your 580. The 580 is a very good machine and I remember AUDIO MAGAZINE uses a 582 to do all their cassette tapes reviews throughout the entire 80's. The only weak point on that transport seems to be the plastic holder which secure the cassette door ejector cable with a screw. The plastic holder broke frequently. I think Nak has issued a service bulletin to fix this problem. Enjoy. Mike "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non working condition. all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 19:38:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:38:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WES Components Parts In-Reply-To: <8C9448DEE9B2BE8-C6C-2C4F@WEBMAIL-RE15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070404123824.0088dc30@earthlink.net> John, Is the RT3319 tire for the supply and take up reels? Wow. It has been a long time since I have worked on one, but that tire could be very handy. Thankfully the modified aluminum pulleys have held up well. If you think there was a specific tire for C80635, I must have missed it in the catalog. The idler is on the same page with the RT3319, so I assumed there were no other tires listed. thanks for your help. I am posting the 500 reel tire on Naktalk. tom At 01:05 AM 4/4/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom By the way, WES don't promote it as "the WES classic Nakamichi belt" - that's just what I used it for - and I found it as good as the original Nak part OC08096. I assume that the belts they are offering now are the same - my last order of this part from WES was in about 2000. There was an idler in their catalogue that wasn't exactly the same as a BX idler - but very close - I have used it by necessity dozens of times and it worked just as well as the original Nak part OC80635. I don't know whether it's still in their catalogue - give me a few days to go and fetch my remaining stock and I'll then be able to give you a part number. I can't comment yet on the CIA718 idler. The RT3319 tyre in the WES catalogue was an item I encouraged them to stock for the DT series (500, 600 series) way back - it was fine then, but I haven't ordered any for ages, and it's possible that they may have changed supplier or there may be a misprint in the catalogue re the dimensions. Perhaps get a couple anyway and see what happens. I'll also look out my remaining stock of these and advise in a few days time. Hey, isn't it quiet all of a sudden on this forum. Regards John Gipps John,I plan to purchse the WES classic Nakamichi belt on your recommendation.I was searching their catalog for the BX 1 idler, since my source has suddenly been discontinued. Is the CIA718 idler by any chance the Nakamichi? I e mailed them to ask for measurements, and received only prices. The RT3319 tire does not measure correctly, even though it is described as "DR series tire". thank you. tom brucker ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 19:38:25 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> References: <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> Antione, On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. tom brucker At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tech a écrit : >> Antione, >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >> before causing severe problems. >> >It even looks pretty recent. >> Do #1 before #2. >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >> adjust until they feel the same. >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >finishing to rewind it. >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >> The head base has a pin that rides on >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >> base holding. >> >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >> >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >though). >> HTH >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>> >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>> >>> 1ST deck >>> >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>> >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>> burnishing, that's done. >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>> now. >>> >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>> >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>> >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >> >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>> >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>> >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>> >>> >>> 2ND deck >>> >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>> >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>> >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>> >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>> >>> >>> Antoine >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 19:49:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:49:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <94310AFC-B5F5-4E86-9DE1-84BC5E5285A4@thegreatbear.net> References: <497F9823-F3EE-482C-9709-E35DBC0A31B4@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070404124959.0088d590@earthlink.net> Too old for orange caps. For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. The 580M and 530 receiver were an interesting pair. tom brucker At 03:42 PM 4/4/07 +0100, you wrote: > > >hi > >i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non >working condition. > >all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. > >it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias >adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. > > >This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records >well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't >have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, >which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\580_green_caps.jpg" > > >I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported >by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different >design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. > > >adrian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 4 20:54:23 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:54:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: <352969.95492.qm@web84115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070404135423.0087f2d0@earthlink.net> On direct monitoring during recording the playback SHOULD be brighter, and hissier (is that a word?) Bias noise is the name of this effect. Bias will self erase in a few minutes, so to make your bias set method work, record the white noise, and increase the bias setting "1 hour" for every ten on the tape counter. Rewind the tape, and play, comparing tape to source. Note which "hour" has the flattest response. It may be easier to hear if you turn down the bass on your amplifier. tom brucker At 08:11 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi all, I am using Maxell XL II and have followed the directions in the manual for adjusting the recording bias by recording inter-station FM hiss at -20 to -30db and switching between source and monitor while using headphones. No matter how far I turn the adjustment knob the recorded signal still sounds brighter to me. Any suggestions? Larry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Wed Apr 4 23:34:56 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404124959.0088d590@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <115536.42892.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: What is the difference between the 580 and the 580M? Thanks. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: Too old for orange caps. For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. The 580M and 530 receiver were an interesting pair. tom brucker At 03:42 PM 4/4/07 +0100, you wrote: > > >hi > >i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non >working condition. > >all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. > >it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias >adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. > > >This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records >well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't >have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, >which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\580_green_caps.jpg" > > >I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported >by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different >design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. > > >adrian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lotloggin at aol.com Thu Apr 5 00:26:09 2007 From: Lotloggin at aol.com (Lotloggin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:26:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Hello, I just purchased a 700II and for some reason when the Play button is pushed it will immediately return to Stop. The head block is moving into position, it just will not stay. FF & Rew are working flawlessly. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Pete ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 5 00:30:17 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:30:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: <1B1826CD-E322-475B-BA68-7F8BBF2478D8@alumni.caltech.edu> Are the capstans turning (you can feel them--should be on as soon as the deck is powered on, not just in play)? Does it "play" ok if there is no tape in the deck?-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 5 00:35:11 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:35:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? Message-ID: > For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest > Nakamichi. Does my "700 II M" count :-)? 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 01:25:36 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <115536.42892.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85043.43036.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The M supports Type IV, Metal Bias tapes (ZX in nakamichi speak). I believe it was the first deck Nakamichi introduced that supported Metal. Introduced in 1978. SJ LENA WONG wrote: Tom: What is the difference between the 580 and the 580M? Thanks. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: Too old for orange caps. For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. The 580M and 530 receiver were an interesting pair. tom brucker At 03:42 PM 4/4/07 +0100, you wrote: > > >hi > >i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non >working condition. > >all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. > >it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias >adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. > > >This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records >well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't >have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, >which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\580_green_caps.jpg" > > >I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported >by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different >design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. > > >adrian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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Does it "play" ok if there is no tape in the deck?-kby ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 5 02:15:36 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:15:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Unfortunately at this point, I think you're going to have to wait for Tom or one of the other more technical types. Could be that the capstan belt is slipping when the pinch rollers engage either because it's loose or the pinch rollers have frozen grease, but I'm not sure what the simplest way is for you to diagnose that. Seems like it's the tape isn't moving fast enough out of the forward capstan, or it could be that the auto-shutoff which is different on the 700II iirc than on future machines, is tripping too soon. I think the latter is a common problem on the 700II but I don't know the solution and it also usually isn't quite so blatant (i.e. it usually manifests itself by randomly shutting off occasionally with no provocation somewhere in the middle of a tape).-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 03:19:08 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C Message-ID: <215465.92002.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats a good one ----- Original Message ---- From: Willy Hermann To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:07:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. 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I took him up on it, and now that they have been returned, installed, and put in service, I am very happy with the results and can recommend you give his product a try. Regards, Max -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Apr 5 04:15:00 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 belts In-Reply-To: <000601c77727$0cfb8ab0$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <500558.62894.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Max: Have you notice any extra Wow & Flutter on your BX-300 with this replacement belt? If not then it is quite robust. Thanks for sharing this piece of info with us. Regards, Mike Max Havlik wrote: Dear friends, several weeks ago my BX300 began acting up and I looked to Ebay for a source of belts and an idler tire. I found Fred's Ebay site offering belts for sale, but no belts for an BX300. I inquired of him why that was, and he responded that if I would send him my belts, he would get me reliable replacements in exchange for using mine as reference to make up kits that he may provide to other Naksters. I took him up on it, and now that they have been returned, installed, and put in service, I am very happy with the results and can recommend you give his product a try. Regards, Max ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Apr 5 04:21:25 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:21:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 belts Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2007 7:09:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, madmaxhavlik at comcast.net writes: Dear friends, several weeks ago my BX300 began acting up and I looked to Ebay for a source of belts and an idler tire. I found Fred's Ebay site offering belts for sale, but no belts for an BX300. I inquired of him why that was, and he responded that if I would send him my belts, he would get me reliable replacements in exchange for using mine as reference to make up kits that he may provide to other Naksters. I took him up on it, and now that they have been returned, installed, and put in service, I am very happy with the results and can recommend you give his product a try. Regards, Max Anyone who wants a belt kit for a BX-300 can get one from me for $10 including shipping and the belt is way thinner than the one Fred is selling - like the OEM belt. Capstan belt, idler wheel, and tension belt included. I bought a bunch of them for testing. The same capstan belt and tension belt will work on a CR-4, and I believe the CR-5 and CR-7 as well. Just shoot me an email. Jeff Whittier _bansijeff at aol.com_ (mailto:bansijeff at aol.com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 5 04:45:11 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:45:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910704041945q6fee5aeehf5058dce4b26d839@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tom, I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of next week. OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant on it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. On 4/4/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > Antione, > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > tom brucker > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tech a écrit : > >> Antione, > >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch > >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn > >> before causing severe problems. > >> > >It even looks pretty recent. > >> Do #1 before #2. > >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a > torque > >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play > mode > >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and > >> adjust until they feel the same. > >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, > >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of > >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter > >finishing to rewind it. > >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging > >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from > Jeff's > >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you > >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the > >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? > >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? > >> The head base has a pin that rides on > >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and > head > >> base holding. > >> > >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport > >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. > >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. > >> > >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled > >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because > >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels > >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible > >though). > >> HTH > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom, > >>> > >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, > >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. > >>> > >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one > and > >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to > them. > >>> > >>> 1ST deck > >>> > >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has > gear > >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few > >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. > >>> > >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : > >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed > >>> burnishing, that's done. > >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would > pull > >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the > >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of > torque > >>> now. > >>> > >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a > bit > >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how > >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. > >>> > >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of > >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange > caps > >>> > >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't > >> > >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't > >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or > >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The > >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the > tape > >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not > >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones > for > >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more > on > >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. > >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get > damaged. > >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, > >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which > >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension > spring > >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is > >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be > damaged? > >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far > >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. > >>> > >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller > >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the > >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by > >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2ND deck > >>> > >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock > >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around > what > >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is > >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. > >>> > >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I > should > >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. > >>> > >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber > >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, > because > >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antoine > >>> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 5 05:40:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:40:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46146FB8.50204@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Antione, > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? AFAIK, All Sankyo transports use electrical slip (under driven reel motor) for take up torque in Play mode. There is no mechanical clutch. -- Ron > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > tom brucker > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: >> Hi Tech a écrit : >>> Antione, >>> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >>> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >>> before causing severe problems. >>> >> It even looks pretty recent. >>> Do #1 before #2. >>> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >>> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >>> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >>> adjust until they feel the same. >> I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >> but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >> my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >> finishing to rewind it. >>> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >>> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >>> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >>> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >>> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >> The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >>> The head base has a pin that rides on >>> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >>> base holding. >>> >> I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >> and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >>> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >>> >> Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >> only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >> the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >> and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >> though). >>> HTH >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>>> >>>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>>> >>>> 1ST deck >>>> >>>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>>> >>>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>>> burnishing, that's done. >>>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>>> >>>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>>> >>> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >>> >>>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>>> >>>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>>> >>>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2ND deck >>>> >>>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>>> >>>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>>> >>>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>>> >>>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Antoine From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 5 05:44:01 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:44:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] tire for 500,600, etc. reel tables In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404123826.008898d0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404123826.008898d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46147081.5040007@rcn.com> Tom, Do you have a URL for the WES catalog? Thanks in advance, -- Ron tom brucker wrote: > Thanks to John Gipps there is a reel table tire available for the 600 , > 550, 500 transport: WES type RT3319. I intend to order a bulk order for > the WES classic Nak belt, and will order these tires if there is a need > among NakTalkers. Symptoms of worn reel tires would be shaky, noisy/uneven > rewind/ff and possible auto stop at random points. Post to me off list > with the number of tires. Cost will be reasonable (can't quote because I > didn't ask, but their other prices are reasonable). > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 06:34:10 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404135423.0087f2d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <251013.78594.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom, I'll give that a try, although I don't understand why any noise on the tape will self erase. However, I suspect that any explanation would probably make my head spin. lol. Larry Hi Tech wrote: On direct monitoring during recording the playback SHOULD be brighter, and hissier (is that a word?) Bias noise is the name of this effect. Bias will self erase in a few minutes, so to make your bias set method work, record the white noise, and increase the bias setting "1 hour" for every ten on the tape counter. Rewind the tape, and play, comparing tape to source. Note which "hour" has the flattest response. It may be easier to hear if you turn down the bass on your amplifier. tom brucker At 08:11 PM 4/1/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi all, I am using Maxell XL II and have followed the directions in the manual for adjusting the recording bias by recording inter-station FM hiss at -20 to -30db and switching between source and monitor while using headphones. No matter how far I turn the adjustment knob the recorded signal still sounds brighter to me. Any suggestions? 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Seems like it's the tape isn't moving fast enough out of the forward capstan, or it could be that the auto-shutoff which is different on the 700II iirc than on future machines, is tripping too soon. I think the latter is a common problem on the 700II but I don't know the solution and it also usually isn't quite so blatant (i.e. it usually manifests itself by randomly shutting off occasionally with no provocation somewhere in the middle of a tape).-kby ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Thu Apr 5 07:11:36 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:11:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: <200704050438.l354cOnL007986@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the technical ease at which this could be done. Any comments? cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:28:35 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:28:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Hi Pete! Again & again...lubricate the two capstans...with two drops on each capstan of sewing oil...it's exactly the same mechanisms that my first Nak that i owned in 1978, still with me for sale "AS IT" for a mere $:500.00 Shipping & handling at the buyer expenses! Good luck, ALEX! From: Lotloggin at aol.comDate: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:08:00 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please HelpTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi KBY, I appreciate your quick response. The capstans are turning and the deck does go into Play mode without a tape in it. Thanks again for your help Pete Are the capstans turning (you can feel them--should be on as soon as the deck is powered on, notjust in play)? Does it "play" ok if there is no tape in the deck?-kby See what's free at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=wlmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tansuntjay at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 07:38:11 2007 From: tansuntjay at gmail.com (Tan Sun Tjay) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:38:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007701c77744$9b3e2090$0501a8c0@D4LXC55> I think to build a 400 Hz/15kHz tone generator or Sinusoid/sine wave generator or simple oscillator using PLL IC chip and/or discrete components is not really a complicated task (Google could help you find the schematics). Maybe you could ask your local repair shop help to build you one and connect it to the tape input via tape input/output switch box or similar device. That's my two cents; I hope it could spark better ideas or comments. tjay -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of martin.short at nstarch.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the technical ease at which this could be done. Any comments? cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Apr 5 08:37:45 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:37:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 record noise Message-ID: Further to Tom's advice I tried DeOxit on the record/play switch several times and tightened the gold plug contacts. This hasn't helped a lot unfortunately with the distortion when recording on Type 2 tape. I also tried some in the volume pots. What are the odds for improvement on dismantling and cleaning the record switch? I dismantled a 581 record switch a few years ago but I had replaced it with a new one so didn't get to try it. I will check B & W for availability of a new one but will try a dismantle if anyone can recommend this course. Thanks David >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:54 -0500 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403102154.008817a0 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David, > two areas cause problems in the first generation Naks. The most common are the gold cable and edge connectors. Each pin must be slightly bent towards the connectors' center so the finger puts more pressure on the circuit board. This is a bit tedious, and you will need a narrow pointed tool. The secong area is the record / play switch. It is the long multi pin slide switch. Clean by spraying Caig brand DeOxit cleaner in one end, and let the cleaner run through. Other traditional contact cleaners will work about 30 days. You may still find replacement switches, but installation requires quite a bit of soldering. On the 550 specifically, the tape type push switches also require cleaning with deoxit. drill a small hole about 2mm from the switch body rear, and spray deoxit. If you desire you can put a spot of silicone to reseal the switch. >tom brucker From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 01:06:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <54853.19677.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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David On 5/4/07 8:01 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:11:36 +1100 > From: martin.short at nstarch.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > m> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board > calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board > calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) > > Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For > my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key > tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but > another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on > board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, > CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for > calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. > > I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the > technical ease at which this could be done. > > Any comments? > > cheers, > > Martin > > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Apr 5 13:13:11 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:13:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Value of Nak today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4614D9C7.2010507@caribsurf.com> Gra' The Hypex UcD400 modules with +/-56V but at present only a 500w transformer so that will limit the output. It is supposed to be capable of 400wpc into 4 ohms (the impedance of the Maggies) and I am thinking of a new PSU which will be dual mono but I may use 2x330w toroids instead of two 500w toroids which would be the ultimate! It sounds very good Regards Paul Graham Nelson wrote: > Paul > > Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Carrington > Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today > > > I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since > acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power > for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is > not exploited > Regards > Paul > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Apr 5 13:39:45 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:39:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tone generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi.. another useful bit of software for all OS's is Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ This is open source so free! It's a powerful audio editor and can generate waveforms. I used it to create 10 seconds of 1kHz, 10kHz, 15kHz to setup the bias on my old 580, worked a treat. adrian On 5 Apr 2007, at 11:47, David Thompson wrote: > Martin > > After advice from Luis, I connect the Nak deck to a computer and > use a free > software tone generator called ToneGen. You can select tones close > to 400 > and 15k. This one is Macintosh software but there are similar PC > ones. I > also use MeterH.exe (via VirtualPC) as an audio level meter. I > found them by > Google search. > > David > > > On 5/4/07 8:01 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" request at naks.com> > wrote: > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:11:36 +1100 >> From: martin.short at nstarch.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> > CA2572B4.001C1234 at unauthorised.ici.co >> m> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board >> calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on- >> board >> calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) >> >> Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always >> convenient. For >> my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a >> number of key >> tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future >> use, but >> another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having >> no on >> board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, >> CR3 & 5, >> CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non - >> naks for >> calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. >> >> I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I >> don't the >> technical ease at which this could be done. >> >> Any comments? >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Apr 5 13:59:24 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:59:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tone generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4614E49C.9080502@caribsurf.com> My Aiwa XK009 Excelia used the alternate frequencies approach for adjusting the bias (remember the level should be -20 preferably if you wish to use 20kHz) but I found a white or pink noise source can give very accurate results for a listening adjustment (rather than metered one) if the adjustment is made comparing the source with the tape playback Regards Paul adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi.. > > another useful bit of software for all OS's is Audacity: > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > This is open source so free! > > It's a powerful audio editor and can generate waveforms. > > I used it to create 10 seconds of 1kHz, 10kHz, 15kHz to setup the bias > on my old 580, worked a treat. > > > adrian > > > On 5 Apr 2007, at 11:47, David Thompson wrote: > >> Martin >> >> After advice from Luis, I connect the Nak deck to a computer and use >> a free >> software tone generator called ToneGen. You can select tones close >> to 400 >> and 15k. This one is Macintosh software but there are similar PC ones. I >> also use MeterH.exe (via VirtualPC) as an audio level meter. I found >> them by >> Google search. >> >> David >> >> >> On 5/4/07 8:01 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" >> wrote: >> >> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:11:36 +1100 >>> From: martin.short at nstarch.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Message-ID: >>> >> >>> m> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>> >>> A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board >>> calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board >>> calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) >>> >>> Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always >>> convenient. For >>> my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number >>> of key >>> tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, >>> but >>> another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having >>> no on >>> board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 >>> & 5, >>> CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non >>> -naks for >>> calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. >>> >>> I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I >>> don't the >>> technical ease at which this could be done. >>> >>> Any comments? >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: > 2007-04-04 1:09 PM > > From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Apr 5 14:03:43 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:03:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070404124959.0088d590@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My 580, with the meter problems, has about a dozen orange caps in it. It's serial # 10959 and has another sticker that says, CSA File No. LL 41769. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:50 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? Too old for orange caps. For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. The 580M and 530 receiver were an interesting pair. tom brucker At 03:42 PM 4/4/07 +0100, you wrote: > > >hi > >i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non >working condition. > >all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. > >it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias >adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. > > >This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records >well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't >have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, >which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\580_green_caps.jpg" > > >I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported >by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different >design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. > > >adrian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 14:35:36 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <54853.19677.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070405123536.16259.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 5 14:54:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:54:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: <007701c77744$9b3e2090$0501a8c0@D4LXC55> References: <007701c77744$9b3e2090$0501a8c0@D4LXC55> Message-ID: <4614F16E.7060002@rcn.com> It's just a bit more complicated than that. You will also need a read out device. Decks that include the test tone oscillator internally, use the level display but change its sensitivity. If you build an external oscillator box, you will need to include a display (possibly, to be connected to the deck output); preferably, with a sensitivity adjustment. -- Ron Tan Sun Tjay wrote: > I think to build a 400 Hz/15kHz tone generator or Sinusoid/sine wave > generator or simple oscillator using PLL IC chip and/or discrete components > is not really a complicated task (Google could help you find the > schematics). > Maybe you could ask your local repair shop help to build you one and connect > it to the tape input via tape input/output switch box or similar device. > That's my two cents; I hope it could spark better ideas or comments. > > tjay > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of martin.short at nstarch.com > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:12 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 > > A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board > calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board > calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) > > Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For > my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key > tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but > another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on > board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, > CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for > calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. > > I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the > technical ease at which this could be done. > > Any comments? > > cheers, > > Martin From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 15:21:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <20070405123536.16259.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <636194.31607.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 16:10:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <574870.66212.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 15:19:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:19:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: <115536.42892.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404124959.0088d590@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405081951.00880530@earthlink.net> M was for metal. Beyond that, they painted the oval transport buttons silver! I recall something else garrish...was it an orange power button? I consider the 580M an ugly duckling! The 530 receiver was designed to match. Too much gray plastic in one stack. tom brucker At 02:34 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom: What is the difference between the 580 and the 580M? Thanks. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: Too old for orange caps. For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. The 580M and 530 receiver were an interesting pair. tom brucker At 03:42 PM 4/4/07 +0100, you wrote: > > >hi > >i've just been given (from an eBay seller no less) an old 580 in non >working condition. > >all it needed was a cam belt and calibration using Luis's tapes. > >it plays and records well now and I even managed to get the bias >adjusted for SA90's after much recording and rerecording. > > >This is almost my oldest Nak but it is the only one that records >well. It hasn't had the orange cap disease yet and in fact doesn't >have orange caps but green ones. Either they've all been replaced, >which I doubt or some other models didn't have them. > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\580_green_caps.jpg" > > >I noticed that this model of 580 (low serial number) isn't supported >by B&W as they have spares issues. It does seem to have a different >design of takeup pinch roller than later classic mech decks I own. > > >adrian > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 15:53:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:53:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405085305.00881100@earthlink.net> Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 15:32:04 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:32:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 green not orange caps? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405083204.00881100@earthlink.net> Yes, That would be rare! Since it was a factory modification. Stay tuned for the rarest of all, the SILVER 680!!! tom brucker At 03:35 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> For you collectors, the 580 M might be the rarest Nakamichi. Does my "700 II M" count :-)? (I assume not since it's not really an off-the-shelf product, but it was done by Nak factory-approved) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 16:29:23 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:29:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910704041945q6fee5aeehf5058dce4b26d839@mail.gmail.co m> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> Antione, OOO now we have something. Beneath the brass motor pulley is a clutch that produces a force that pushes the idler towards the reel table. This clutch is the felt type, and is impossibly small. I'll bet your silicone has made the felt slippery, and there is not enough force to keep the idler in contact with the reel. This clutch is very difficult to service. Are there any DIY suggestions for removing silicone? tom brucker At 07:45 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of next week. OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant on it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. On 4/4/07, Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> wrote: Antione, On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. tom brucker At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tech a écrit : >> Antione, >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >> before causing severe problems. >> >It even looks pretty recent. >> Do #1 before #2. >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >> adjust until they feel the same. >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >finishing to rewind it. >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >> The head base has a pin that rides on >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >> base holding. >> >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >> >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >though). >> HTH >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>> >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>> >>> 1ST deck >>> >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>> >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>> burnishing, that's done. >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>> now. >>> >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>> >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>> >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >> >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>> >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>> >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>> >>> >>> 2ND deck >>> >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>> >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>> >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>> >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>> >>> >>> Antoine >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 16:52:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:52:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 record noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405095234.007a2600@earthlink.net> David, Can you describe the distortion? Under biased recordings are tinny and harsh, overbiased are clean but dull. The 550 may have been calibrated for Agfa or Sony type 2 tapes, which were terrible matches for the deck. You might compare a TDK SA recording to a BASF or Agfa, or try a ferrichrome if you have one. The fact that EX recording is ok exonerates all the audio circuits. tom brucker At 04:37 PM 4/5/07 +1000, you wrote: >Further to Tom's advice I tried DeOxit on the record/play switch several >times and tightened the gold plug contacts. This hasn't helped a lot >unfortunately with the distortion when recording on Type 2 tape. I also >tried some in the volume pots. > >What are the odds for improvement on dismantling and cleaning the record >switch? >I dismantled a 581 record switch a few years ago but I had replaced it with >a new one so didn't get to try it. > >I will check B & W for availability of a new one but will try a dismantle if >anyone can recommend this course. > >Thanks > >David > > > >>Message: 1 >>Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:54 -0500 >>From: Hi Tech >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403102154.008817a0 at earthlink.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>David, > > two areas cause problems in the first generation Naks. The most >common are the gold cable and edge connectors. Each pin must be slightly >bent towards the connectors' center so the finger puts more pressure on the >circuit board. This is a bit tedious, and you will need a narrow pointed >tool. The secong area is the record / play switch. It is the long multi >pin slide switch. Clean by spraying Caig brand DeOxit cleaner in one end, >and let the cleaner run through. Other traditional contact cleaners will >work about 30 days. You may still find replacement switches, but >installation requires quite a bit of soldering. > On the 550 specifically, the tape type push switches also require >cleaning with deoxit. drill a small hole about 2mm from the switch body >rear, and spray deoxit. If you desire you can put a spot of silicone to >reseal the switch. > >>tom brucker > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 16:45:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:45:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tire for 500,600, etc. reel tables In-Reply-To: <46147081.5040007@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404123826.008898d0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070404123826.008898d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405094515.0088db90@earthlink.net> Ron, www.WEScomponents.com John, John and I are trying to ID the belts and tires that are faithful substitutes, and will post the results here. Prices are all reasonable, but shipping on small orders is high. The plan is to make a bulk order, and send spares out surface mail to NakTalkers. We are trying to verify through testing which substitutes perform within Nakamichi's specifications. While this may sound like an elaborate marketing scheme, this is a pure NakTalk benevolent effort (so I can have a good source for my repairs, too!) BTW ANYONE may join our effort. Of particular interest is WHERE the NAkmichi OEM source might have been? Those with excellent google skills, and especially those that can search in world languages could aid this effort. Small belts for electronics are made by precision rubber molding companies. The holy grail would be to find the company that supplied the Japanese deck manufacturers. Has anyone investigated Sankyo, the company????? tom brucker At 11:44 PM 4/4/07 -0400, you wrote: >Tom, > >Do you have a URL for the WES catalog? > >Thanks in advance, > >-- Ron > > >tom brucker wrote: >> Thanks to John Gipps there is a reel table tire available for the 600 , >> 550, 500 transport: WES type RT3319. I intend to order a bulk order for >> the WES classic Nak belt, and will order these tires if there is a need >> among NakTalkers. Symptoms of worn reel tires would be shaky, noisy/uneven >> rewind/ff and possible auto stop at random points. Post to me off list >> with the number of tires. Cost will be reasonable (can't quote because I >> didn't ask, but their other prices are reasonable). >> tom brucker >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 16:31:58 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:31:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <46146FB8.50204@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405093158.00883e10@earthlink.net> Thanks, I thought that might be the case. Can you tell how much I dislike the gear mod?? I don't even know how it works! For gear mod decks the reel motor torque adjustment is quite critical. tom brucker At 11:40 PM 4/4/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tech wrote: >> Antione, >> On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing >> the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. >> Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the >> take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > >AFAIK, All Sankyo transports use electrical slip >(under driven reel motor) for take up torque in >Play mode. There is no mechanical clutch. > >-- Ron > > >> Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for >> adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's >> tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. >> These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: >>> Hi Tech a écrit : >>>> Antione, >>>> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >>>> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >>>> before causing severe problems. >>>> >>> It even looks pretty recent. >>>> Do #1 before #2. >>>> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >>>> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >>>> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >>>> adjust until they feel the same. >>> I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >>> but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >>> my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >>> finishing to rewind it. >>>> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >>>> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >>>> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >>>> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >>>> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >>> The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >>>> The head base has a pin that rides on >>>> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >>>> base holding. >>>> >>> I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >>> and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >>>> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >>>> >>> Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >>> only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >>> the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >>> and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >>> though). >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>>> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>> >>>>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>>>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>>>> >>>>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>>>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>>>> >>>>> 1ST deck >>>>> >>>>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>>>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>>>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>>>> >>>>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>>>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>>>> burnishing, that's done. >>>>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>>>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>>>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>>>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>>>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>>>> >>>>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>>>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>>>> >>>> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >>>> >>>>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>>>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>>>> >>>>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>>>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>>>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>>>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>>>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>>>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>>>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>>>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>>>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>>>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>>>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>>>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>>>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>>>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>>>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>>>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>>>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>>>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2ND deck >>>>> >>>>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>>>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>>>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>>>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>>>> >>>>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>>>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>>>> >>>>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>>>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>>>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Antoine >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 5 17:35:33 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <46146FB8.50204@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <46146FB8.50204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910704050835w6d99ff44j4e123a19a84bf35b@mail.gmail.com> Yes, it switches from one side to the other by the reel motor's rotation, but the gear seems to stay locked on the spindle it was last used on. If I just went on play mode and stopped, if I push manually the gear on the left, after a certain point, it will be pushed like by a spring in position on the left spindle. I may be wrong, since it's been months since I opened that BX-2, but I think that's how it works. On 4/4/07, Ron wrote: > > Hi Tech wrote: > > Antoine, > > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were > changing > > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in > the > > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > > AFAIK, All Sankyo transports use electrical slip > (under driven reel motor) for take up torque in > Play mode. There is no mechanical clutch. > > -- Ron > > > > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi Tech a écrit : > >>> Antione, > >>> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn > pinch > >>> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn > >>> before causing severe problems. > >>> > >> It even looks pretty recent. > >>> Do #1 before #2. > >>> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a > torque > >>> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play > mode > >>> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and > >>> adjust until they feel the same. > >> I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, > >> but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of > >> my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter > >> finishing to rewind it. > >>> If the tape still curls, try exchanging > >>> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from > Jeff's > >>> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you > >>> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the > >>> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? > >> The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? > >>> The head base has a pin that rides on > >>> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and > head > >>> base holding. > >>> > >> I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport > >> and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. > >>> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. > >>> > >> Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled > >> only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because > >> the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels > >> and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible > >> though). > >>> HTH > >>> > >>> tom brucker > >>> > >>> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Tom, > >>>> > >>>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions > sometimes, > >>>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. > >>>> > >>>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one > and > >>>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to > them. > >>>> > >>>> 1ST deck > >>>> > >>>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has > gear > >>>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few > >>>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. > >>>> > >>>> Now, the fixes I brought already : > >>>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor > needed > >>>> burnishing, that's done. > >>>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would > pull > >>>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that > the > >>>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of > torque > >>>> now. > >>>> > >>>> Problems with the black BX-2 : > >>>> ----------------------------------- > >>>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a > bit > >>>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know > how > >>>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. > >>>> > >>>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of > >>>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange > caps > >>>> > >>> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't > >>> > >>>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I > don't > >>>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. > >>>> > >>>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back > or > >>>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The > >>>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the > tape > >>>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not > >>>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones > for > >>>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more > on > >>>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position > repeatedly. > >>>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get > damaged. > >>>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more > muffled, > >>>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, > which > >>>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension > spring > >>>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is > >>>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be > damaged? > >>>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far > >>>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. > >>>> > >>>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch > roller > >>>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the > >>>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by > >>>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2ND deck > >>>> > >>>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, > stock > >>>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around > what > >>>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller > is > >>>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. > >>>> > >>>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : > >>>> ----------------------------------- > >>>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I > should > >>>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. > >>>> > >>>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. > >>>> > >>>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The > rubber > >>>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, > because > >>>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 17:40:11 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <636194.31607.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070405154011.68698.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lots of variables with records/cartridges. I use an "Empire 2000T". Late 70's vintage. One main variable could be the phono pre-amp. I use a Pioneer SX-1250. However I do not use records too often. It would sure be nice to have the time to play all of my collection once in a while. Someday maybe time will allow. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 5 17:40:04 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:40:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910704050840w1d601fdey9a90412739d76a93@mail.gmail.com> OK, it's not just supposed to be the motor pushing it in place? It was like this even before I applied silicone : The arm was completely loose. I tinkered a bit more with the idler, putting some "contact-cleaner-that-doesn't-clean-contacts-but-is-a-good-solvent" and it seemed to start working better and better. I was able to rewind and ff the tape a few times. In fact I applied the silicone lubrificant with Q-tips directly on the idler, so I don't know if it's the thing that did this. All I can tell is that the whole arm was a bit greasy before. On 4/5/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > Antione, > OOO now we have something. Beneath the brass motor pulley is a clutch that > produces a force that pushes the idler towards the reel table. This clutch > is the felt type, and is impossibly small. I'll bet your silicone has > made > the felt slippery, and there is not enough force to keep the idler in > contact with the reel. This clutch is very difficult to service. Are > there any DIY suggestions for removing silicone? > > tom brucker > > At 07:45 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Hi Tom, > > I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of > next week. > > OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that > my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant > on > it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. > > On 4/4/07, Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> > wrote: > Antione, > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > tom brucker > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tech a écrit : > >> Antione, > >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch > >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn > >> before causing severe problems. > >> > >It even looks pretty recent. > >> Do #1 before #2. > >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a > torque > >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play > mode > >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and > >> adjust until they feel the same. > >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, > >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of > >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter > >finishing to rewind it. > >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging > >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from > Jeff's > >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you > >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the > >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? > >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? > >> The head base has a pin that rides on > >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and > head > >> base holding. > >> > >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport > >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. > >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. > >> > >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled > >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because > >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels > >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible > >though). > >> HTH > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom, > >>> > >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, > >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. > >>> > >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one > and > >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to > them. > >>> > >>> 1ST deck > >>> > >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has > gear > >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few > >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. > >>> > >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : > >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed > >>> burnishing, that's done. > >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would > pull > >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the > >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of > torque > >>> now. > >>> > >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a > bit > >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how > >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. > >>> > >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of > >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange > caps > >>> > >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't > >> > >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't > >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or > >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The > >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the > tape > >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not > >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones > for > >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more > on > >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. > >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get > damaged. > >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, > >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which > >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension > spring > >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is > >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be > damaged? > >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far > >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. > >>> > >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller > >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the > >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by > >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2ND deck > >>> > >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock > >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around > what > >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is > >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. > >>> > >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I > should > >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. > >>> > >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber > >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, > because > >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antoine > >>> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 17:42:18 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <786186.58060.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070405154218.4788.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 17:44:05 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <769758.22001.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This may not be appropriate here but gasoline will dissolve silicon rubber. In automotive you cannot use silicon if it can come in contact with gasoline. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Antione, OOO now we have something. Beneath the brass motor pulley is a clutch that produces a force that pushes the idler towards the reel table. This clutch is the felt type, and is impossibly small. I'll bet your silicone has made the felt slippery, and there is not enough force to keep the idler in contact with the reel. This clutch is very difficult to service. Are there any DIY suggestions for removing silicone? tom brucker At 07:45 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of next week. OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant on it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. On 4/4/07, Hi Tech wrote: Antione, On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. tom brucker At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tech a écrit : >> Antione, >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >> before causing severe problems. >> >It even looks pretty recent. >> Do #1 before #2. >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >> adjust until they feel the same. >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >finishing to rewind it. >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >> The head base has a pin that rides on >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >> base holding. >> >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >> >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >though). >> HTH >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>> >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>> >>> 1ST deck >>> >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>> >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>> burnishing, that's done. >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>> now. >>> >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>> >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>> >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >> >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>> >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>> >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>> >>> >>> 2ND deck >>> >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>> >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>> ----------------------------------- >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>> >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>> >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>> >>> >>> Antoine >>> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca From jvbrhg at seanet.com Thu Apr 5 18:05:39 2007 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:05:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX Message-ID: <005401c7779c$4161cb00$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> Fellow Nakers- Recently when I turn on my 680ZX and load a cassette, it goes immediately into play, and the stop button seems to have no affect at first. Within a few seconds I am able to stop it with the stop button. Any clues as to what's happening here? Randall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Apr 5 18:19:02 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX In-Reply-To: <005401c7779c$4161cb00$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <005401c7779c$4161cb00$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: i know this sounds obvious but are you sure you haven't inadvertently switched the Timer switch into play? this will automatically put the deck into play or record when it's switched on.. useful for unattended recording... adrian On 5 Apr 2007, at 17:05, JVB/RHG wrote: > Fellow Nakers- > > Recently when I turn on my 680ZX and load a cassette, it goes > immediately into play, and the stop button seems to have no affect > at first. Within a few seconds I am able to stop it with the stop > button. > > Any clues as to what's happening here? > > Randall > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 18:58:35 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX Message-ID: <807725.52566.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rand, Without putting a cassette in, and when you leave the door open, does the REC light come on? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: JVB/RHG To: NAKTALK Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 12:05:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX Fellow Nakers- Recently when I turn on my 680ZX and load a cassette, it goes immediately into play, and the stop button seems to have no affect at first. Within a few seconds I am able to stop it with the stop button. Any clues as to what's happening here? Randall ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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Randall Seattle, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 ZX >i know this sounds obvious but are you sure you haven't inadvertently >switched the Timer switch into play? > > this will automatically put the deck into play or record when it's > switched on.. useful for unattended recording... > > > adrian > On 5 Apr 2007, at 17:05, JVB/RHG wrote: > >> Fellow Nakers- >> >> Recently when I turn on my 680ZX and load a cassette, it goes >> immediately into play, and the stop button seems to have no affect at >> first. Within a few seconds I am able to stop it with the stop button. >> >> Any clues as to what's happening here? >> >> Randall >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 > 1:09 PM > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 5 19:51:12 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <406976.12976.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070405175112.55967.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Can you describe "phase correlation"? thanks, Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats the opposite Bob, which is perfectly ok. I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. So my playback chain is extremely simple. Any one using the Soundcraftsmen eq? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:42:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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I'm not familiar with deOxit (probably just shows I'm out of date), but over here in Australia, the product I like is CRC 226 - a cleaner with a light lubricant - works well on R/P switches, pots, etc. But it sounds as though you've tried cleaning the R/P switch and improving the edge connector force. Have you actually cleaned the gold contacts in the edge connectors? There is a product I use for this (can't remember it's name because I bought heaps of it a decade ago) - it's an abrasive attached to both sides of a flexible flat core - you can clean all the gold fingers inside the edge connector sockets with it and it doesn't damage them - and the edge connectors themselves can be cleaned with the same product under a little finger pressure. I'm sure if you go through the RS Components or Farnell catalogues you'll find such a product. I wouldn't bother trying to get inside an R/P switch - if you're confident it's the culprit, and if it doesn't respond to being flooded with a cleaning product while being manually switched 50 or so times, then just replace it. You can use a generic R/P switch, but you obviously need to find one with the same number of switches and same footprint. If you need help with this I'll go back through some records and see if I can find notes on a generic for DT series - I'm pretty sure I've used one at some point. I recall that you said recording on EX type tape (normal position) was ok, and the distortion occured only on SX position tapes. This makes it likely that the problem is in bias adjust circuitry or is a worn head. If you have adjusted the SX bias correctly, then you may have a worn head. A worn head will give lower distortion with EX and normal position tapes than with SX or high position tapes. A worn head will often also give different distortion and frequency response on L and R channels. Have a look at the head surface under a strong light - a new head is smoothly convex, a worn head shows what you'd expect after a hundred kilometres or so of tape have run across it - no longer smoothly convex. If you haven't got the bias adjusted correctly, this may be because a bias adjust preset pot or some other passive component in the SX bias circuitry is defective. Have a look at VR301, VR302, VR303, VR304, C306, C307, C309, C310, and the tape switch SW005 (clean it as per R/P switch above). You replaced Q302 - this is part of the bias oscillator and if it had been defective, it would have influenced both tape types and both channels. Good luck - 550's are worth the effort. John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 40 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help (Lotloggin at aol.com) 2. Re: Bias Adjustment on BX-300 (martin.short at nstarch.com) 3. RE: Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help (Alex Cozac) 4. RE: Bias Adjustment on BX-300 (Tan Sun Tjay) 5. 550 record noise (David Thompson) 6. RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:02:24 EDT From: Lotloggin at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, I will wait to hear from someone else, I do appreciate your help. I will check the pinch rollers as well as the belts. I should probably add that when I constantly apply pressure to the play button, the deck will play, although it is a bit faster than what it should be. The belts look newer from what I gathered, I am not sure if they are exact replacements. Would ill fitting belts cause problems? Thanks again Unfortunately at this point, I think you're going to have to wait for Tom or one of the other more technical types. Could be that the capstan belt is slipping when the pinch rollers engage either because it's loose or the pinch rollers have frozen grease, but I'm not sure what the simplest way is for you to diagnose that. Seems like it's the tape isn't moving fast enough out of the forward capstan, or it could be that the auto-shutoff which is different on the 700II iirc than on future machines, is tripping too soon. I think the latter is a common problem on the 700II but I don't know the solution and it also usually isn't quite so blatant (i.e. it usually manifests itself by randomly shutting off occasionally with no provocation somewhere in the middle of a tape).-kby ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070405/5da97c02/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:11:36 +1100 From: martin.short at nstarch.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the technical ease at which this could be done. Any comments? cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:28:35 +0000 From: Alex Cozac Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Pete! Again & again...lubricate the two capstans...with two drops on each capstan of sewing oil...it's exactly the same mechanisms that my first Nak that i owned in 1978, still with me for sale "AS IT" for a mere $:500.00 Shipping & handling at the buyer expenses! Good luck, ALEX! From: Lotloggin at aol.comDate: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:08:00 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please HelpTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi KBY, I appreciate your quick response. The capstans are turning and the deck does go into Play mode without a tape in it. Thanks again for your help Pete Are the capstans turning (you can feel them--should be on as soon as the deck is powered on, notjust in play)? Does it "play" ok if there is no tape in the deck?-kby See what's free at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=wlmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070405/b8b94bea/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 00:38:11 -0500 From: "Tan Sun Tjay" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <007701c77744$9b3e2090$0501a8c0 at D4LXC55> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think to build a 400 Hz/15kHz tone generator or Sinusoid/sine wave generator or simple oscillator using PLL IC chip and/or discrete components is not really a complicated task (Google could help you find the schematics). Maybe you could ask your local repair shop help to build you one and connect it to the tape input via tape input/output switch box or similar device. That's my two cents; I hope it could spark better ideas or comments. tjay -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of martin.short at nstarch.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bias Adjustment on BX-300 A while back I posed a question about the feasability an out-board calibration box that generates 400/15K tones.. ie: mimics the on-board calibration of the 582/ZX-7 etc, but drew no response (or fire!!) Though I can drag out my T-100 to do this, it is not always convenient. For my BX300 I simply hooked it up to the T-100 and ran through a number of key tape types and noted the setting of the bias control for future use, but another add on unit would be really handy for use with Naks having no on board calibration facility: eg: 480Z, 482Z, BX300, RX505, LX;'s, CR3 & 5, CD and DR series. Such a box would also be useful for other non -naks for calibration.. my Aiwa F880 springs to mind. I guess the market would be minimal/ not much interest? , and I don't the technical ease at which this could be done. Any comments? cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:37:45 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] 550 record noise To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Further to Tom's advice I tried DeOxit on the record/play switch several times and tightened the gold plug contacts. This hasn't helped a lot unfortunately with the distortion when recording on Type 2 tape. I also tried some in the volume pots. What are the odds for improvement on dismantling and cleaning the record switch? I dismantled a 581 record switch a few years ago but I had replaced it with a new one so didn't get to try it. I will check B & W for availability of a new one but will try a dismantle if anyone can recommend this course. Thanks David >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:54 -0500 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bug in the 550 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070403102154.008817a0 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David, > two areas cause problems in the first generation Naks. The most common are the gold cable and edge connectors. Each pin must be slightly bent towards the connectors' center so the finger puts more pressure on the circuit board. This is a bit tedious, and you will need a narrow pointed tool. The secong area is the record / play switch. It is the long multi pin slide switch. Clean by spraying Caig brand DeOxit cleaner in one end, and let the cleaner run through. Other traditional contact cleaners will work about 30 days. You may still find replacement switches, but installation requires quite a bit of soldering. On the 550 specifically, the tape type push switches also require cleaning with deoxit. drill a small hole about 2mm from the switch body rear, and spray deoxit. If you desire you can put a spot of silicone to reseal the switch. >tom brucker ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <54853.19677.qm at web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 20:08:04 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <782845.12413.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That would be phase differences Bob, usually perceived as the smearing of the sound. I also noted that when using graphic equalizers, the soundstage also looses some depth. I switched from a Pioneer 9800 graphic to the Phase Linear and it gives somewhat better results. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 1:51:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Can you describe "phase correlation"? thanks, Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats the opposite Bob, which is perfectly ok. I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. So my playback chain is extremely simple. Any one using the Soundcraftsmen eq? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:42:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? 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Beneath the brass motor pulley is a clutch that > produces a force that pushes the idler towards the reel table. This clutch > is the felt type, and is impossibly small. I'll bet your silicone has made > the felt slippery, and there is not enough force to keep the idler in > contact with the reel. This clutch is very difficult to service. Are > there any DIY suggestions for removing silicone? > > tom brucker > > At 07:45 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> > Hi Tom, > > I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of > next week. > > OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that > my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant > on > it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. > > On 4/4/07, Hi Tech > wrote: > Antione, > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > tom brucker > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tech a écrit : > >> Antione, > >> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch > >> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn > >> before causing severe problems. > >> > >It even looks pretty recent. > >> Do #1 before #2. > >> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque > >> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play > mode > >> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and > >> adjust until they feel the same. > >I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, > >but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of > >my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter > >finishing to rewind it. > >> If the tape still curls, try exchanging > >> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from > Jeff's > >> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you > >> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the > >> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? > >The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? > >> The head base has a pin that rides on > >> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and > head > >> base holding. > >> > >I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport > >and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. > >> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. > >> > >Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled > >only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because > >the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels > >and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible > >though). > >> HTH > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tom, > >>> > >>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, > >>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. > >>> > >>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one > and > >>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to > them. > >>> > >>> 1ST deck > >>> > >>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has > gear > >>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few > >>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. > >>> > >>> Now, the fixes I brought already : > >>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed > >>> burnishing, that's done. > >>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would > pull > >>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the > >>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of > torque > >>> now. > >>> > >>> Problems with the black BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a > bit > >>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how > > >>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. > >>> > >>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of > >>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange > caps > >>> > >> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't > >> > >>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't > >>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or > >>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The > >>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the > tape > >>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not > >>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones > for > >>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more > on > >>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. > >>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get > damaged. > >>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, > > >>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which > >>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension > spring > >>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is > >>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be > damaged? > >>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far > >>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. > >>> > >>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller > >>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the > >>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by > >>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. > >>> > >>> > >>> 2ND deck > >>> > >>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock > > >>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around > what > >>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is > >>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. > >>> > >>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : > >>> ----------------------------------- > >>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I > should > >>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. > >>> > >>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. > >>> > >>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber > >>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, > because > >>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. > >>> > >>> > >>> Antoine > >>> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 21:44:08 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <782845.12413.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782845.12413.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Phase correlators adjust the phase of two or more channels to minimize the differences or to effect a difference. It's a crutch used to fix recordings with phase problems. I've been taught the recording flat is best unless you need to correct a deficient source. The guy who sold me my Nakamichi decks used to teach recording and I took some of his classes. I think many people try to make recording more complicated than it really needs to be. So, no "sound theory" needed for this question, unless you just like discussions for the sake of discussions. This is one of those things I always thought was obvious. -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -- > Hi fellow members, > > After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us > since Monday morning. > > It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful > debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. > > Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed > membership to start another chain. > > Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or > record on your Naks? From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 22:43:37 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20139.44296.qm@web50008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> well I for one would like to know what you learned in the classes do tell could be useful to me for sure don't know about the others everything I have been told is just drive the crap out the them. Jerry McPhail wrote: Hi all, Phase correlators adjust the phase of two or more channels to minimize the differences or to effect a difference. It's a crutch used to fix recordings with phase problems. I've been taught the recording flat is best unless you need to correct a deficient source. The guy who sold me my Nakamichi decks used to teach recording and I took some of his classes. I think many people try to make recording more complicated than it really needs to be. So, no "sound theory" needed for this question, unless you just like discussions for the sake of discussions. This is one of those things I always thought was obvious. -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -- > Hi fellow members, > > After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us > since Monday morning. > > It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful > debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. > > Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed > membership to start another chain. > > Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or > record on your Naks? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 18:01:39 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <20070405154218.4788.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599719.52445.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob and Bala, I erred on the zxl and dolby C. Apologies for that oversight. The ZXL can have an outboard dolby C though. Recording flat and playback with equalization( if required) is my preferred route too. if recorded well from a rich source, i have found no need for eq on playback at all on the zxl, zx, Dragon, Cr series decks at all! Prerecorded tapes are another breed and anything applies there. Otherwise we can not obtain linear frequency respose as our Naks were intended too. Moreover, when we add equalization through an equalizer, we are adding artificial distortion that the artist never intended in the recording in the first place. I am therefore against artificially companding and expanding or vice versa in a cassette recording, because distortion is imminent. Thanks Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 21:34:58 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <782845.12413.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070405193458.9812.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Thats why i seldom try to use my equalizer for both re/pb. Flat/Flat is always smoother sounding. Its just my opinion. ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: That would be phase differences Bob, usually perceived as the smearing of the sound. I also noted that when using graphic equalizers, the soundstage also looses some depth. I switched from a Pioneer 9800 graphic to the Phase Linear and it gives somewhat better results. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 1:51:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Can you describe "phase correlation"? thanks, Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats the opposite Bob, which is perfectly ok. I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. So my playback chain is extremely simple. Any one using the Soundcraftsmen eq? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:42:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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I think an EQ on playback makes up for room acoustics, speakers etc so I have mine set to what sounds good in my den. I also think that recording flat will work when played back on other decks/stereos. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob and Bala, I erred on the zxl and dolby C. Apologies for that oversight. The ZXL can have an outboard dolby C though. Recording flat and playback with equalization( if required) is my preferred route too. if recorded well from a rich source, i have found no need for eq on playback at all on the zxl, zx, Dragon, Cr series decks at all! Prerecorded tapes are another breed and anything applies there. Otherwise we can not obtain linear frequency respose as our Naks were intended too. Moreover, when we add equalization through an equalizer, we are adding artificial distortion that the artist never intended in the recording in the first place. I am therefore against artificially companding and expanding or vice versa in a cassette recording, because distortion is imminent. Thanks Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Bala, I record flat and playback through EQ. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gotcha. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? My way is the mirror of Bob's method. I use a Phase Linear semi-parametric eq to tweak the sound during the recording phase and then playback totally flat. You can do this with the C40, which is a parametric equalizer. I have C28 but I am using an Audio Note M2 feeding into my MC2500 power amp. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 9:21:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bob, Interesting that you use the same settings for all sources on playback. I find that records require a little more treble area tweaking than cd( which need bass) The Naks( Cr7,zxl ZX7/9) however sound great flat on a flat recording with dolby C. Thanks for the inpput. ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi fellow members, After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us since Monday morning. It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed membership to start another chain. Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you play or record on your Naks? I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also recommendations from our experts. Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and away and advising us on the above. Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this matter too. Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. Thanks Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Paul Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is not exploited Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Apr 6 00:07:34 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:07:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX In-Reply-To: <000601c777a7$2a0c6e50$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> References: <005401c7779c$4161cb00$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> <000601c777a7$2a0c6e50$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> Message-ID: <20070405220729.XBHE24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Randall, Ditto here! I really cannot contribute much but I do read almost all posts. I figure I'll get out of the way from the 'gurus'. hehehehe Roland At 01:23 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote: >Adrian- > >Thanks so much for the tip. That was exactly it !!! I have never >used the timer feature on my machine, do you use it often? > >While I don't often post, I do read NAKTALK frequently and glean a >lot of good info. > >Thank You again for the tip. > >Randall >Seattle, WA From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 6 00:08:44 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:08:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <8FD8B50E-8D94-4593-9092-7C1149C7DD57@alumni.caltech.edu> Bala, Was this a generic question about Dolby C on the zxl, or wrt to Ram's particular setup? > How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? If the former, I use the fitted NR-100 that's sort of designed for it. > I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do > the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. I'm curious why any phase difference issues should be better doing the eq on record rather than playback. My preference is like Bob's; keep the recording as close to the "original" as possible (unless an unusual original) and fix up what needs to be fixed up later (if anything ) as needed so it accounts for different acoustics, equipment, etc. in the playback environment.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 01:14:54 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <132835.24500.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, You and Bob make perfect sense about recording flat so that you can correct for variations in the playback system later. However, my reason for eq is for fixing the errors in defective recordings. But by also opting out the eq during playback, I also have to get the playback loop sounding neutral and right. I get the best sound by doing that. Sure your could use something to fix the smearing caused by the eqs, but why are we adding a box to correct one problem and introduce another, then a second box to correct the first one's problem and so on? Its good to have an rq on the playback system, I mean you never know when the sound might need a little tweaking , a little help here and there, you know. When I had my McIntosh C33, ten years ago, it was a great help especially for playing cassettes on my 670ZX. 5-band parametric equalizer, true loudness control and even had an expandor and compandor for recoding to tape. My dad still prefers the idea of having the eq handy, so its setup on his rig, a Sansui 500A tube amp driving a vintage pair of Bose 901 MkIIs. Pros and Cons but no harm really.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 6:08:44 AM Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Was this a generic question about Dolby C on the zxl, or wrt to Ram's particular setup? How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? If the former, I use the fitted NR-100 that's sort of designed for it. I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. I'm curious why any phase difference issues should be better doing the eq on record rather than playback. My preference is like Bob's; keep the recording as close to the "original" as possible (unless an unusual original) and fix up what needs to be fixed up later (if anything ) as needed so it accounts for different acoustics, equipment, etc. in the playback environment.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 01:27:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:27:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- we begin the quest Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405182739.007a4490@earthlink.net> Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B test tape Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape speed a bit slow 10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal 9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow 9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow 9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " 42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast 9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady 42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast 9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " I have a sample of FRY 9.2 I will test tomorrow. Analysis to follow after I sleep on it. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Fri Apr 6 03:59:12 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:59:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 belts References: <500558.62894.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c777ef$2c94b220$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> It's working just fine for me, Max ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 belts Max: Have you notice any extra Wow & Flutter on your BX-300 with this replacement belt? If not then it is quite robust. Thanks for sharing this piece of info with us. Regards, Mike Max Havlik wrote: Dear friends, several weeks ago my BX300 began acting up and I looked to Ebay for a source of belts and an idler tire. I found Fred's Ebay site offering belts for sale, but no belts for an BX300. I inquired of him why that was, and he responded that if I would send him my belts, he would get me reliable replacements in exchange for using mine as reference to make up kits that he may provide to other Naksters. I took him up on it, and now that they have been returned, installed, and put in service, I am very happy with the results and can recommend you give his product a try. 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A reminder to all that listening to one's music is the basic outcome and satisfaction of our endeavors as Nakamichi gear users. Mighty fine stuff.... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- original message --- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:07:34 -0400 From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 ZX Randall, Ditto here! I really cannot contribute much but I do read almost all posts. I figure I'll get out of the way from the 'gurus'. hehehehe Roland At 01:23 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote: >Adrian- > >Thanks so much for the tip. That was exactly it !!! I have never >used the timer feature on my machine, do you use it often? > >While I don't often post, I do read NAKTALK frequently and glean a >lot of good info. > >Thank You again for the tip. > >Randall >Seattle, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Apr 6 05:26:14 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:26:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Its the music that matters........ In-Reply-To: <003d01c777f2$ee62c5b0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> References: <003d01c777f2$ee62c5b0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Message-ID: <20070406032608.FSKS24906.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Mr. Bleus, I thank you but you must have me mixed with another gentleman. I do know the Roland that you make mention but yes, I do have both Marathon sets and they are stunning and even though we love our analog, Carlos showed us that the sound engineer behind the mixer can make all the difference. I'll continue to read and enjoy and hopefully leave the personal fray to wear itself out. Roland At 10:26 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote: >You know Roland, the gurus often remain silent, as the wishfuls >grovel around making noise. I wonder where the tape man might be >now, dear old Carlos, and also several other of the Nakkers from the >late 1990s. I do miss those delightful weary oldsters and their >angelic comments of yesteryears. > >Have you listened to the original Nak Marathon cassette music >recently. A joy to revisit at regular intervals, and I'll reiterate >that your contribution was one of the best of those made into the >project. Yours, and the honorable Salim, Nicholas, Michael, Rob, >Eddy, et al. A reminder to all that listening to one's music is the >basic outcome and satisfaction of our endeavors as Nakamichi gear >users. Mighty fine stuff.... > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Regards, > >Bleus > > >--- original message --- > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:07:34 -0400 >From: Roland >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 ZX > >Randall, > >Ditto here! I really cannot contribute much but I do read almost all >posts. I figure I'll get out of the way from the 'gurus'. hehehehe > >Roland > >At 01:23 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote: > >Adrian- > > > >Thanks so much for the tip. That was exactly it !!! I have never > >used the timer feature on my machine, do you use it often? > > > >While I don't often post, I do read NAKTALK frequently and glean a > >lot of good info. > > > >Thank You again for the tip. > > > >Randall > >Seattle, WA >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 03:18:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <132835.24500.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <959823.36189.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks, I have found that at my talent level for recording( Novice at best), I do more damage when equalizing the recorded signal, than when equalizing the playback signal. Especially, in Nakamichi cassette decks most of whose frequency response on standard tapes is like Bala says almost, " RULER FLAT". Therefore, while playback we can tweak to our tastes and room acoustics. I have an MC 40 preamp which has exp/compandor and rec eq settings. I reached this after screwing up a lot of recordings over the years. Then I realized that my 802 Series 3( B&W Of course) were a little handicapped. when I replaced my rig with the 801 Series 3s, my entire audio world changed. The 801s are true monitors in every sense of the word . and with the Naks as source, I seldom, if ever( unless its prerecorded) use the eq even for playback. So much for my bla bla bla. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Kimo, You and Bob make perfect sense about recording flat so that you can correct for variations in the playback system later. However, my reason for eq is for fixing the errors in defective recordings. But by also opting out the eq during playback, I also have to get the playback loop sounding neutral and right. I get the best sound by doing that. Sure your could use something to fix the smearing caused by the eqs, but why are we adding a box to correct one problem and introduce another, then a second box to correct the first one's problem and so on? Its good to have an rq on the playback system, I mean you never know when the sound might need a little tweaking , a little help here and there, you know. When I had my McIntosh C33, ten years ago, it was a great help especially for playing cassettes on my 670ZX. 5-band parametric equalizer, true loudness control and even had an expandor and compandor for recoding to tape. My dad still prefers the idea of having the eq handy, so its setup on his rig, a Sansui 500A tube amp driving a vintage pair of Bose 901 MkIIs. Pros and Cons but no harm really.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 6:08:44 AM Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Was this a generic question about Dolby C on the zxl, or wrt to Ram's particular setup? How do you record on the ZXL with Dolby C? If the former, I use the fitted NR-100 that's sort of designed for it. I usually have jitters about phase correlation which is why I do the eq in the record phase once carefully and control the input gain. I'm curious why any phase difference issues should be better doing the eq on record rather than playback. My preference is like Bob's; keep the recording as close to the "original" as possible (unless an unusual original) and fix up what needs to be fixed up later (if anything ) as needed so it accounts for different acoustics, equipment, etc. in the playback environment.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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I noticed when recording on a Type 2 tape and switched the tape selector to normal and back again to CrO2, that the normal set parts played back OK but not the CrO2 parts. This indicated to me that the record switch is OK. I have tried electrical adjustments 9 (recording bias current) and 10 (Record/Playback level). With 9, my cheapie VTVM doesn't register anything off the output jack but then I don't really know how to connect it. But going by meter readings instead, neither the right channel VR302 (CrO2) or VR304 (Normal) have any effect on the meter level. This leads me to suspect a problem in the bias circuit somewhere. Am I getting warm? I have already replaced the right transistor in the bias oscillator. I will try replacing the corresponding capacitor as well. David >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:52:34 -0500 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 record noise >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070405095234.007a2600 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David, > Can you describe the distortion? Under biased recordings are tinny >and harsh, overbiased are clean but dull. The 550 may have been calibrated >for Agfa or Sony type 2 tapes, which were terrible matches for the deck. >You might compare a TDK SA recording to a BASF or Agfa, or try a >ferrichrome if you have one. The fact that EX recording is ok exonerates >all the audio circuits. >tom brucker At 04:37 PM 4/5/07 +1000, you wrote: >Further to Tom's advice I tried DeOxit on the record/play switch several >times and tightened the gold plug contacts. This hasn't helped a lot >unfortunately with the distortion when recording on Type 2 tape. I also >tried some in the volume pots. > >What are the odds for improvement on dismantling and cleaning the record >switch? >I dismantled a 581 record switch a few years ago but I had replaced it with >a new one so didn't get to try it. > >I will check B & W for availability of a new one but will try a dismantle if >anyone can recommend this course. > >Thanks > >David > From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Apr 6 13:55:36 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:55:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 record noise Message-ID: John Thanks for your comments also. There is some wear on the head so that may be the main cause. I suspect these heads are not available now. I will pick up some ceramic caps to replace the ones you pointed to and see if that helps at all. Otherwise I don't think I can do much else. David >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:59:20 -0400 >From: johngipps at aol.com >Subject: [naktalk] 550 record noise >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <8C945C34582A8A9-1F5C-4823 at mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Hi David >I certainly agree with Tom that the edge connectors and R/P switch are very often the culprits in 500s, 550s, and 600 series. I'm not familiar with deOxit (probably just shows I'm out of date), but over here in Australia, the product I like is CRC 226 - a cleaner with a light lubricant - works well on R/P switches, pots, etc. But it sounds as though you've tried cleaning the R/P switch and improving the edge connector force. Have you actually cleaned the gold contacts in the edge connectors? There is a product I use for this (can't remember it's name because I bought heaps of it a decade ago) - it's an abrasive attached to both sides of a flexible flat core - you can clean all the gold fingers inside the edge connector sockets with it and it doesn't damage them - and the edge connectors themselves can be cleaned with the same product under a little finger pressure. I'm sure if you go through the RS Components or Farnell catalogues you'll find such a product. >I wouldn't bother trying to get inside an R/P switch - if you're confident it's the culprit, and if it doesn't respond to being flooded with a cleaning product while being manually switched 50 or so times, then just replace it. You can use a generic R/P switch, but you obviously need to find one with the same number of switches and same footprint. If you need help with this I'll go back through some records and see if I can find notes on a generic for DT series - I'm pretty sure I've used one at some point. >I recall that you said recording on EX type tape (normal position) was ok, and the distortion occured only on SX position tapes. This makes it likely that the problem is in bias adjust circuitry or is a worn head. If you have adjusted the SX bias correctly, then you may have a worn head. A worn head will give lower distortion with EX and normal position tapes than with SX or high position tapes. A worn head will often also give different distortion and frequency response on L and R channels. Have a look at the head surface under a strong light - a new head is smoothly convex, a worn head shows what you'd expect after a hundred kilometres or so of tape have run across it - no longer smoothly convex. If you haven't got the bias adjusted correctly, this may be because a bias adjust preset pot or some other passive component in the SX bias circuitry is defective. Have a look at VR301, VR302, VR303, VR304, C306, C307, C309, C310, and the tape switch SW005 (clean it as per R/P switch above). You replaced Q302 - this is part of the bias oscillator and if it had been defective, it would have influenced both tape types and both channels. > Good luck - 550's are worth the effort. > John Gipps From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Apr 6 14:57:11 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:57:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <200704051706.l35H6b1j016686@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704051706.l35H6b1j016686@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I record direct from CD into the tape deck, if its vinyl that I a recording from the Linn setup I have to come from the separate preamp .. (like the rest of you probably) ..... but my amps have no tone controls and I subscribe to the shortest interconnect approach so no graphic equaliser is allowed in such an approach. So on playback I just accept the character of the tape, most recordings are so sweet I am grateful for them ...... mind you Bala .... the Soundcraftsman would be one I might allow to interrupt my prejudices against tone controls. The other day Agfa and ...I guess basic Sony tapes were described as problematic ...... most times this is not the case BUT if I have a tape sounding weird its often an agfa or sony ...... I have one ferric chrome which certainly sounds weird on a Nak ..... which is to be expected I suppose. peace ian r scotland From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:27:04 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <277010.55123.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ian, The Soundcraftsmen is totally different as its based on inductors rathen than the normal capacitor based eqs. And its expensive to make them and difficult to get them sounding right. But the are sonically way better. I haven;t got it, but find the Phase Linear semi-parametric not too bad, especially when doing archival recordings. Cheers! Bala --- earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > I record direct from CD into the tape deck, if its > vinyl that I a > recording from the Linn setup I have to come from > the separate preamp > .. (like the rest of you probably) ..... but my amps > have no tone > controls and I subscribe to the shortest > interconnect approach so no > graphic equaliser is allowed in such an approach. So > on playback I > just accept the character of the tape, most > recordings are so sweet I > am grateful for them ...... mind you Bala .... the > Soundcraftsman > would be one I might allow to interrupt my > prejudices against tone > controls. > > The other day Agfa and ...I guess basic Sony tapes > were described as > problematic ...... most times this is not the case > BUT if I have a > tape sounding weird its often an agfa or sony ...... > I have one > ferric chrome which certainly sounds weird on a Nak > ..... which is to > be expected I suppose. > > peace > > ian r > scotland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 15:03:38 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <866239.64182.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, Sony FE-CR is a non recommended tape for any Nakamichi. Every instruction manual, I presume, says that clearly. Naks are not equalized or calibratable for these typeIII tapes. Thats why they sound very muddy! Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: I record direct from CD into the tape deck, if its vinyl that I a recording from the Linn setup I have to come from the separate preamp .. (like the rest of you probably) ..... but my amps have no tone controls and I subscribe to the shortest interconnect approach so no graphic equaliser is allowed in such an approach. So on playback I just accept the character of the tape, most recordings are so sweet I am grateful for them ...... mind you Bala .... the Soundcraftsman would be one I might allow to interrupt my prejudices against tone controls. The other day Agfa and ...I guess basic Sony tapes were described as problematic ...... most times this is not the case BUT if I have a tape sounding weird its often an agfa or sony ...... I have one ferric chrome which certainly sounds weird on a Nak ..... which is to be expected I suppose. peace ian r scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? 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All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B test tape BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed details Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape speed a bit slow 10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal 9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow 9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow 9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " 42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast 9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady 42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast 9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings Here are some preliminary thoughts: This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or violin tone. Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure to the motor. The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other belts. Smooth belts measure better. Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they measure the same but have different speed results. Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk membership personal use only. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 15:35:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:35:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070406083559.008949a0@earthlink.net> Pete, As I recall the auto stop acts very quickly on the 700. If the take up reel is turning, and you can figure out how to remove the top silver face (download manual from links on Naks.com), you can observe the auto stop. Is the belt so stretched that it fails to turn the optical wheel? Is the lamp illuminated on the optical wheel? If both of these are ok, then there is a problem with the head base solenoid drive circuitry. Solenoids have a 2 level drive: high current to pull the solenoid , and low current to hold the solenoid in place. The hold current may be too low , or missing. tom brucker At 06:26 PM 4/4/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hello, I just purchased a 700II and for some reason when the Play button is pushed it will immediately return to Stop. The head block is moving into position, it just will not stay. FF & Rew are working flawlessly. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Pete ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Apr 6 18:14:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:14:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Message-ID: Hey Tom, Thanks for doing such a thorough test! I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are 75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's fried! all the best Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 6 18:18:39 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070406083559.008949a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <418843.5129.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Could it be a bad connection or bad photo transister? Bob Hi Tech wrote: Pete, As I recall the auto stop acts very quickly on the 700. If the take up reel is turning, and you can figure out how to remove the top silver face (download manual from links on Naks.com), you can observe the auto stop. Is the belt so stretched that it fails to turn the optical wheel? Is the lamp illuminated on the optical wheel? If both of these are ok, then there is a problem with the head base solenoid drive circuitry. Solenoids have a 2 level drive: high current to pull the solenoid , and low current to hold the solenoid in place. The hold current may be too low , or missing. tom brucker At 06:26 PM 4/4/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hello, I just purchased a 700II and for some reason when the Play button is pushed it will immediately return to Stop. The head block is moving into position, it just will not stay. FF & Rew are working flawlessly. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Pete ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Apr 6 20:17:09 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:17:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 550 record noise In-Reply-To: <200704051801.l35I11iM017302@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704051801.l35I11iM017302@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: 550 record noise SNIP Have a look at the head surface under a strong light - a new head is smoothly convex, a worn head shows what you'd expect after a hundred kilometres or so of tape have run across it - no longer smoothly convex. SNIP Do you know I never thought of it that way before, thank you John (as in your remark about "hundreds of K's") ..... I have only owned one tape deck for 30 years until recently .... the SONY TC152 portable ...... it never developed a worn head in all that time and non of the new to me eBay naks I now have had that symptom ....... I wonder why ...... is it normally a sign of pro use or poor tapes and maintenance? Can it strike any deck or is it always related to hard usage and abusage. Thanks for catching me out with that view John .... I really enjoy your postings as I said to you before I wish there were other Nak geeks in Scotland but as far as I know there are no active members in Southern/Central or Northern Scotland as far as I know (Cornwall is just too far even though I used to live there:-) ....... unless some post to me in the light of this email! ian r scotland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Apr 6 20:21:48 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:21:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <8CD22FC4-00E1-4BCF-8077-5B81AF2958CD@alumni.caltech.edu> Bala, Actually, what I was asking (but I guess I didn't make it clear) was why applying the eq to the recording will result in a less muddy sound than applying the equivalent eq on playback? I'd have thought it would just make a muddy recording. But you said something about gain, so is the idea that the degree of mud is significantly gain sensitive?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Apr 6 21:24:48 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:24:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Do we have Nak Songwriters? References: <4613889A.9060708@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c77881$48d8f1c0$b207010a@hurtignok> > Don't mess with the Dragon > > Is this a Nak composition? > Regards > Paul Actually it is...! It goes something likes this: Don't mess with the Dragon, or turn its heads around. Don't tilt the good old wagon - it might refuse to sound! No, treat it like your old soulmate, and give it time to calibrate... Best Regards, Per From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Apr 6 23:01:27 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:01:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <8CD22FC4-00E1-4BCF-8077-5B81AF2958CD@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: I only apply equalisation "correction" when recording old 78's that were not recorded at today's standard. For this purpose I use a special phono amp, with a variety of settings - the Graham Slee "Jazz Club." Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 06 April 2007 19:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Actually, what I was asking (but I guess I didn't make it clear) was why applying the eq to the recording will result in a less muddy sound than applying the equivalent eq on playback? I'd have thought it would just make a muddy recording. But you said something about gain, so is the idea that the degree of mud is significantly gain sensitive?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 01:03:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:03:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070406180329.0088d100@earthlink.net> I am intrigued by the 10" belt. I don't have anything that loose to try, but the old Nak C8096 measures 10.2" . If that 10" Italian belt is smooth, it might just work! I remember somewhere a discussion of elastic properties. If you barely stretch something then it stretches like crazy under load. The 9.2 belt is stretched to the max, so it vibrates (stretches) very little logitudinally. A dip into Wikipedia on elastic properties is in order. Between the lines is John Nelson's assumption that ESL was buying the 2004 Nak belt, which means their work might not meet spec? That is why I want to test with a newer machine. Notice also that the FRX 9.2 wasn't tested. It is very thick! Any 0.5mm belt or thinner is a contender. tom At 12:14 PM 4/6/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hey Tom, Thanks for doing such a thorough test! I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are 75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's fried! all the best Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 7 02:48:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:48:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Message-ID: Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current sit uation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 05:21:05 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Message-ID: <691426.98598.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra and Kimo, So were you the Graham in the Graham Slee?! This is the same problem my dad got himself in. For 35 years a shop has been patronizing, has been mistakenly recording 78rpm records using the standard RIAA eq. Well, when the 78s were cut, RIAA wasn't out yet and a simpler curve was used. In fact, the major brands all had their own curves. The Jazz Club is good, and covers some of the majpr curves. Because in my dad's case, the damage was done over a span of 35 years and the songs were all on cassettes, we had to reverse eq using a Phase Linear eq. However, through mistakes and plenty of advice from members here in Naktalk and elsewhere, I started getting results. A lot depends on how one balance source and record gains, and does his eq. This gives a good result with minimal smear. Once I get this sounding right, monitored through my vintage Senheisser 560 II, and again for confirmation through a quad of McIntosh ML1Cs I get it on reel at 15ips on my Ampex. From the reel, I either play directly, or transfer to tapes, especially for play on the Nak 600. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 5:01:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? I only apply equalisation "correction" when recording old 78's that were not recorded at today's standard. For this purpose I use a special phono amp, with a variety of settings - the Graham Slee "Jazz Club." Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 06 April 2007 19:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Bala, Actually, what I was asking (but I guess I didn't make it clear) was why applying the eq to the recording will result in a less muddy sound than applying the equivalent eq on playback? I'd have thought it would just make a muddy recording. But you said something about gain, so is the idea that the degree of mud is significantly gain sensitive?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 05:40:39 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Message-ID: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Apr 7 05:43:22 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:43:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk References: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018901c778c6$e43f4d40$90884446@a72400shuttle> Bala - why would you quit this group? Please reconsider. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 7 05:54:44 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:54:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070407035437.ZRCL24015.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Bala, That need not be for you to be aggravated and leave. How we spend out money to keep our Naks going is one thing, value is to each his own. But for you to leave and take your knowledge is another thing. Zero percent of Bala is more than a 100% loss. Roland At 11:40 PM 4/6/2007, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, > > This is something good that you brought up and you summed > things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always > told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I > always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No > one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and > position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand > and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words > for those posts that really require them. > >My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in >the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and >personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is >undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It >wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are >different and people have to know how to treat them and their >weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine >with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that >the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique >sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and >love everyone of them. > >However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to >say thanks to each and every one of you. > >Best Regards >Bala Ganesh > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM >Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk > >Hi Y'all, > >Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole >days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. > >That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you >needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers >shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! >And now, long gone. > >Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on >eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller >maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done >that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people >they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for >originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an >indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck >with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking >for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to >Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor >built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so >scarce, and people now express that frustration. > >My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone >ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 >price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was >still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics >recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people >are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished >decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people >frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. > >My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models >which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. > >Jeff W > > > > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >It's here! Your new message! >Get >new >email alerts with the free >Yahoo! >Toolbar. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 7 06:05:18 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:05:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Message-ID: In a message dated 4/6/2007 8:44:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. Hi Bala, Before you quit Naktalk, can I ask you a question? If you answer it, then I got you to not quit! Have you ever compared the sound of the 680 to a 700ZXL? There's really something marvelous about the 680. I'm wondering if you or anyone else who might have owned both decks might have something to say on the subject. all the best Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 7 06:09:06 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What about rtr's? Message-ID: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Just curious what the gurus think of rtr's when compared to the average Nak. In other words, ZXL, Dragon and ZX9 aside. Now, I'm not talking the hassle of setting up the tape and cleaning the heads. I'm talking strictly the recording, playback and maintenance of an rtr. Add in the availability of part into the maintenance portion of owning one. I must admit that I think lust comes into play whenever I view rtr's and of course a quick trip through the Nakamichi section is always a treat. I own a Dragon and love it. It is just a sweetheart. Thoughts? And am I mistaken that parts are quite available? It appears that Revox A77, B77 and the PR99 abound in quantity. Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 7 06:12:09 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:12:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070407041202.RNTH15840.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Say Jeff, I'm glad you asked Bala that question as I was wondering myself. I cannot afford a ZXL of any type but I've been considering a 682 because they are still reasonably price. Sure glad you asked that question before Bala quits. A healthy discussion should take about 7-10 of intake and of course time makes you forget and....well, I forget things after 7-10 minutes but that's another forum. At 12:05 AM 4/7/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/6/2007 8:44:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: >My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in >the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and >personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is >undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It >wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are >different and people have to know how to treat them and their >weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine >with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that >the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique >sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and >love everyone of them. > >Hi Bala, > >Before you quit Naktalk, can I ask you a question? If you answer >it, then I got you to not quit! > >Have you ever compared the sound of the 680 to a 700ZXL? There's >really something marvelous about the 680. I'm wondering if you or >anyone else who might have owned both decks might have something to >say on the subject. > >all the best > >Jeff W > > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lotloggin at aol.com Sat Apr 7 07:25:26 2007 From: Lotloggin at aol.com (Lotloggin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:25:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Tom, I appreciate the response. I will check these things ASAP and get back to you. Thank you again for taking the time to answer. Pete Pete, As I recall the auto stop acts very quickly on the 700. If the take up reel is turning, and you can figure out how to remove the top silver face (download manual from links on Naks.com), you can observe the auto stop. Is the belt so stretched that it fails to turn the optical wheel? Is the lamp illuminated on the optical wheel? If both of these are ok, then there is a problem with the head base solenoid drive circuitry. Solenoids have a 2 level drive: high current to pull the solenoid , and low current to hold the solenoid in place. The hold current may be too low , or missing. tom brucker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sat Apr 7 08:33:22 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:33:22 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070407183200.04f3ed78@paradise.net.nz> I sent this message while the list was busy "discussing" other matters. Can anyone help here? ******************************************************************************************* I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only shows 88:88. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance Brett From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Apr 7 10:18:33 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:18:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Message-ID: Hi Bala, I would definitely ask you to please reconsider leaving. Your contribution is seriously valued by many here, not least me. Perhaps just "lurk" for a while...... Warm greetings - Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 4/7/2007 5:40:39 AM >>> Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! 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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 03:07:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <414802.94623.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Well said. I could'nt have put it better if I tried. Enough said. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 06:23:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What about rtr's? In-Reply-To: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <580699.9701.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland, I have a few AKAIs and the Naks ( cr7,zxl zx9 and dragon) will give them a real run for the money. Reel to reels are very much comparable to the Nak big wigs, except that they best tapes available fr reels is EE or SA/UDXLII typeII tapes, whereas the Naks can chew Metal(TYpe Iv) tapes and record higher db with less distortion. Comparing type II tapes on both, reels have an openness lacking in the mid level Naks. May be the higher headroom and tape speed help the reels. Recording with dbx on reels is like listening to the CD with superb bass and no noise! Nak high ends are almost untouchables wvhen when compared to reels except for the high speed or wider width reels. The above has been my observation. Ram Roland wrote: Just curious what the gurus think of rtr's when compared to the average Nak. In other words, ZXL, Dragon and ZX9 aside. Now, I'm not talking the hassle of setting up the tape and cleaning the heads. I'm talking strictly the recording, playback and maintenance of an rtr. Add in the availability of part into the maintenance portion of owning one. I must admit that I think lust comes into play whenever I view rtr's and of course a quick trip through the Nakamichi section is always a treat. I own a Dragon and love it. It is just a sweetheart. Thoughts? And am I mistaken that parts are quite available? It appears that Revox A77, B77 and the PR99 abound in quantity. Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 06:29:09 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <20070407041202.RNTH15840.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <514286.10951.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff and Roland, I personally think the 1000zxl will cream the 680zx. I have both and thats what I've heard. The 1000zxl has bass thats difficult to describe...best heard. Its got treble that accompanies this thunderous bass effortlessly. This combo is missing in the 680 zx...the 700zxl will be very close to the 1000zxl. Like Bala has always said, each Nak has its attributes and thats why most of us have many different examples in our set up. Wish you all the best Bala. Ram I shall miss you here at NalkTalk. Roland wrote: Say Jeff, I'm glad you asked Bala that question as I was wondering myself. I cannot afford a ZXL of any type but I've been considering a 682 because they are still reasonably price. Sure glad you asked that question before Bala quits. A healthy discussion should take about 7-10 of intake and of course time makes you forget and....well, I forget things after 7-10 minutes but that's another forum. At 12:05 AM 4/7/2007, you wrote: In a message dated 4/6/2007 8:44:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. Hi Bala, Before you quit Naktalk, can I ask you a question? If you answer it, then I got you to not quit! Have you ever compared the sound of the 680 to a 700ZXL? There's really something marvelous about the 680. I'm wondering if you or anyone else who might have owned both decks might have something to say on the subject. all the best Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 7 11:56:15 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:56:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070406105410.00882150@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070406105410.00882150@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46176ABF.9060405@xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Thanks for this test, very interesting reading, must have consumed quite a lot of your time! Wouter tom brucker wrote: > > Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just > yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, > or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk > membership personal use only. > > tom brucker > > > > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Apr 7 12:17:15 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:17:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: 07 April 2007 01:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. [Nelson] Actually Jeff, they weren't always happy and polite - they were occasionally a lot more vitriolic than you have just witnessed and often about the very same subjects!!! Gra' . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Apr 7 12:23:49 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:23:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <691426.98598.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LOL! No, I wish I were Graham Slee - he's one clever bloke! A tip for you and your Dad, Bala. Some "modern" 33.3 rpm copies of 78's were straight copies WITHOUT correcting for the non-standard equalisation of the 78's. So, if you want to hear the correct sound from them, or to dub to cassette (or CD) try the setting for the original 78, not RIAA. I've noticed this with a few HMV recordings, for example. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 07 April 2007 04:21 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? Gra and Kimo, So were you the Graham in the Graham Slee?! This is the same problem my dad got himself in. For 35 years a shop has been patronizing, has been mistakenly recording 78rpm records using the standard RIAA eq. Well, when the 78s were cut, RIAA wasn't out yet and a simpler curve was used. In fact, the major brands all had their own curves. The Jazz Club is good, and covers some of the majpr curves. Because in my dad's case, the damage was done over a span of 35 years and the songs were all on cassettes, we had to reverse eq using a Phase Linear eq. However, through mistakes and plenty of advice from members here in Naktalk and elsewhere, I started getting results. A lot depends on how one balance source and record gains, and does his eq. This gives a good result with minimal smear. Once I get this sounding right, monitored through my vintage Senheisser 560 II, and again for confirmation through a quad of McIntosh ML1Cs I get it on reel at 15ips on my Ampex. From the reel, I either play directly, or transfer to tapes, especially for play on the Nak 600. Bala Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Apr 7 12:37:24 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:37:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would like to say I very much hope Bala does NOT quite NakTalk because he has been one of the most influential members, not least because he breathed new life into ZXL technology, and thence NakTalk. that older members had never thought was possible. Bala - I hope you will stay but will understand if you feel doing so is untenable or if you need a fresh challenge. Either way, please stay in touch. Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 07 April 2007 04:41 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Apr 7 15:33:01 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:33:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46179D8D.4090101@marrscommunications.com> Hello to the group. Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > > tom brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net > > Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 > > * Previous message: [naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? <035307.html> > * Next message: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > <035332.html> > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] > [ subject ] [ author ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >April 7, 2007 >Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. > Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt > > >The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >test tape > >BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >details > > >Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >speed a bit slow >10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings > >New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " > > >Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady > > >FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " > >42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady > > >42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " > > >FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " > > >Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings > > >Here are some preliminary thoughts: >This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. > The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. > I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >violin tone. > Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >to the motor. > The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >belts. Smooth belts measure better. > > >Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. > > I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >measure the same but have different speed results. > >Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >membership personal use only. > >tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * Previous message: [naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? <035307.html> > * Next message: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > <035332.html> > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] > [ subject ] [ author ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > More information about the Naktalk mailing list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wenevermet at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 15:39:13 2007 From: wenevermet at yahoo.com (Alex) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] WF measurements Message-ID: <206952.85579.qm@web53905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear all, I'm "some time" reader of the board and this is my first post. First of all I would like to thank all of you for the priceless info I could gather here with respect to the Nak problems and maintenance, and especially Luis for his calibration tapes (I had hell of a fun to set up the deck with those). I am an owner of LX-5 in relatively good condition, which still has an original belt and idler. The latter one should be replaced in the future (grumbling sounds at the end of RWD/FFRW), but the torque is still ok and well, I don't have to tell you about the sound. The recent Tom's posts concerning the measurements of WF with various belts are quite interesting. I have got one spare belt from turntableneedles.com that claimed to be the OEM specs (9.3") but so far there were no needs for testing it. However it would be interesting to measure WF anyway at some stage - the problem is that I cannot spend that money usually asked for T-100. Since nowadays the computers are just as usual as tape decks 20 years ago, it should be possible to measure WF with 3KHz tape and audio board. Out there some software is available for this purpose but this is mostly commercial product with capabilities far beyond the needs of most of the community members. I've managed to find a couple of papers dedicated to WF measurement standards and even started to think about writing my own code for analysis, but then, as it usually happens, my current work eat up all my time, and some lack of knowledge here and there also was discovered to be an annoying obstacle. So dear Naktalkers here is the question. Is anybody here ever tried to use his silicon work-horse for the purpose of monitoring Nak health? Perhaps some sort of accessible solution would be found, if we'll discuss this matter. all the very best, Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From rpipan at comcast.net Sat Apr 7 17:14:52 2007 From: rpipan at comcast.net (rpipan at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:14:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] belts/tires for naks Message-ID: <040720071514.10751.4617B56C00006D11000029FF2216527966020E9F079F9D@comcast.net> Hi All, I have a BX300 and a 680. The following question, while displaying my Nak ignorance, is real. Are the various belts and replacement "tires" identical for both units? Thanks for your help. Richard From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 18:04:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] belts/tires for naks In-Reply-To: <040720071514.10751.4617B56C00006D11000029FF2216527966020E9F079F9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <80842.91776.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Richard, The 680 is a belt driven unit, whereas the BX 300 is direct drive. The belts are different. They are available on ebay. Ram rpipan at comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I have a BX300 and a 680. The following question, while displaying my Nak ignorance, is real. Are the various belts and replacement "tires" identical for both units? Thanks for your help. Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 7 18:46:07 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:46:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 belts Message-ID: Dear Naktalkers, Recently I bought a lot of different belts off the web to do tests on possible replacement belts for the 8096C classic transport belt. In order to get some belts at a reasonable cost to test, I bought a batch wholesale and have some left over. The place I bought them from required a substantial minimum order, and it was literally as cheap for me to buy 20 belts as it was to buy a single one due to the conditions of the minimum order. This belt turned out to be an exact match for the BX-300, but didn't come up to original specs on the classic transport. The direct-drive capstan transport of the BX-300 is very forgiving of generic belts, and this particular belt works perfectly on the BX-300. It is a thin 9.2 inch circumference belt. (9.2x.2x.25) If you want a belt kit for a BX-300 consisting of capstan belt, tension belt, and idler tire, including shipping I'm selling the package for $10. I have about a dozen of these left. I do have a Paypal account. Anyone that wants one, send me an email. Jeff Whittier ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Sat Apr 7 20:46:40 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:46:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bala, the good old days In-Reply-To: <200704071000.l37A05TZ008665@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704071000.l37A05TZ008665@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <65A5BC34-F776-4209-A15B-30A1C7FEE629@mac.com> Bala, I've enjoyed your contributions to this forum very much over the years. Part of what makes Naktalk great is that it really feels like a stable community, with international experts from across the world. We've weathered storms before (I recall setting one off myself with some off-handed political remarks), so I hope you will re-consider your decision and continue to enlighten us with your presence. However we all got here, as the original owner of an 80's Dragon or an unlucky ebayer of a dead 480, we all share an interest in these amazing machines and the remarkable sound they can produce. Preserving that sound should be what keeps us here. Naks can unlock the sounds hidden on cassettes, and those sounds are all deserving cultural artifacts. Naks can make the past sing, can let a single person or a whole orchestra reach across years and miles with a depth of clarity, with dynamics, range and tone that are virtually un- matched by any other cassette deck, or even many other formats and technologies. Whatever we think about who charges how much for what repair, I hope we can all remember our common ground: a love for the incredible sounds our Naks can produce when they are healthy and happy. Now, back to trying to get my CR3 to work... best, Fred From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 20:28:57 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:28:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <46179D8D.4090101@marrscommunications.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070407132857.00886290@earthlink.net> I almost forgot, Jeff is in correspondence with someone that uses a 10" belt in the classic. He will receive a sample of that belt shortly for testing. Your might be worth trying. tom brucker At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Hello to the group. Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred ---------- [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest tom brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? * Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------- April 7, 2007 Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B test tape BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed details Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape speed a bit slow 10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal 9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow 9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow 9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " 42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast 9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady 42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast 9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings Here are some preliminary thoughts: This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or violin tone. Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure to the motor. The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other belts. Smooth belts measure better. Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they measure the same but have different speed results. Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk membership personal use only. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ---------- * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? * Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------- More information about the Naktalk mailing list ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 20:38:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WF measurements In-Reply-To: <206952.85579.qm@web53905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070407133850.00886b40@earthlink.net> Alex, I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and Flutter meters on eBay. I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The most these sell for is $35. A software program would have to adopt the three weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, Average, and peak values. A very powerful tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the low frequency limit is on the average sound card? tom brucker At 06:39 AM 4/7/07 -0700, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I'm "some time" reader of the board and this is my >first post. First of all I would like to thank all of >you for the priceless info I could gather here with >respect to the Nak problems and maintenance, and >especially Luis for his calibration tapes (I had hell >of a fun to set up the deck with those). I am an owner >of LX-5 in relatively good condition, which still has >an original belt and idler. The latter one should be >replaced in the future (grumbling sounds at the end of >RWD/FFRW), but the torque is still ok and well, I >don't have to tell you about the sound. > >The recent Tom's posts concerning the measurements of >WF with various belts are quite interesting. I have >got one spare belt from turntableneedles.com that >claimed to be the OEM specs (9.3") but so far there >were no needs for testing it. However it would be >interesting to measure WF anyway at some stage - the >problem is that I cannot spend that money usually >asked for T-100. >Since nowadays the computers are just as usual as tape >decks 20 years ago, it should be possible to measure >WF with 3KHz tape and audio board. Out there some >software is available for this purpose but this is >mostly commercial product with capabilities far beyond >the needs of most of the community members. I've >managed to find a couple of papers dedicated to WF >measurement standards and even started to think about >writing my own code for analysis, but then, as it >usually happens, my current work eat up all my time, >and some lack of knowledge here and there also was >discovered to be an annoying obstacle. > >So dear Naktalkers here is the question. Is anybody >here ever tried to use his silicon work-horse for the >purpose of monitoring Nak health? Perhaps some sort of >accessible solution would be found, if we'll discuss >this matter. > >all the very best, Alex > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 20:42:03 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:42:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070407183200.04f3ed78@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> Brett, I have not encountered :)) that problem. I suspect the counter mode button may be stuck. 88:88 is all segments lit, a common electronic counter display after reset. I'll bet the counter reset is a computer reset that goes from 88:88 to 00:00 when the button is released. tom brucker At 06:33 PM 4/7/07 +1200, you wrote: >I sent this message while the list was busy "discussing" other >matters. Can anyone help here? >*************************************************************************** **************** >I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. >The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only >shows 88:88. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance > >Brett > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 20:55:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:55:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <133890.83594.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070407135538.00886100@earthlink.net> Bala, I personally want to apologize. I have agreed to work on far too many fronts. I seek your guidance in these matters. Like a kid playing outside on a summer evening, I just don't want to come in for my bath. I feel your presence and passion half way around the world. That presence doesn't take the great circle route, but passes through earth's very core. That is what you mean to me. You speak through the core. tom brucker At 08:40 PM 4/6/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/>Yahoo! Toolbar.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 21:58:45 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:58:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070405085305.00881100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tom - I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of reworking it. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Apr 7 21:59:28 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:59:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What about rtr's? In-Reply-To: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400, Roland wrote: >Just curious what the gurus think of rtr's when compared to the >average Nak. In other words, ZXL, Dragon and ZX9 aside. > >Now, I'm not talking the hassle of setting up the tape and cleaning >the heads. I'm talking strictly the recording, playback and >maintenance of an rtr. Add in the availability of part into the >maintenance portion of owning one. Most rtr are rather simple. The Studer decks and others like them offer some more advanced features, but you can still use a deck even if the electronic counter isn't working. Usually the decks are quite large, and extremely HEAVY. I had to take my Studer A80-R to pieces and lift it up in my apartment by hand. I could fee lthe excersize still after 9 months. Probably should have asked a couple of guys from work to do it for me for beer. >I must admit that I think lust comes into play whenever I view rtr's >and of course a quick trip through the Nakamichi section is always a treat. > >I own a Dragon and love it. It is just a sweetheart. > >Thoughts? I alwyas wanted a Nak, but had several rtr decks in my youth, some good some not so good. But in the last 4 years I have aquired more than considerably beyond what I thought was possible while being mostly unemployed and not having any kind of budget to get 100% working units or buy parts for them. Most of the things a rtr decks needs is love and care - and lots of it. >And am I mistaken that parts are quite available? It appears that >Revox A77, B77 and the PR99 abound in quantity. The rtr decks of the professional variety enjoy the demand by professionals all over the globe, therefore Studer is still able to help out. And Otari may still sell stock decks. Also Tascam. I don't know about Sony or any of the other proonly stuff, I do not work in a studio or know anyone who does so I am not in the loop so to speak. Some manufacturers gave up years ago. Akai for example gave up in the mid 80s. Teac held on til 2001 when X-2000RBL stopped production. Ampex gave up many moons ago. So did Tandberg, Philips, Braun, Grundig, Technics, Pioneer and so on. Parts? Well Pioneer may have a litle and ditto Technics, there are a few places on the web that lsits ancient Techncis stuff under the Panasonic umbrella. Wether it is for real to get a new VU for a Techncis RS-1506 for $36 I don't know, but why list it in our day and age if the parts are unobtainable for a deck from 1980? I only got one Nak so far. A freebie. With abusted transport panel so I don't yet know wether it works. But I am here since a long time because one day I will find a way to fix mine or get another one, and as I already colelct WAY too many audio related things - for instance I got 10 or so headphones by Pioneer alone in my headphone collection - and I lack the space to keep stuff hooked up and lately also for storage even. Collecting all the good old stuff is simply not possible. But heck if people THROW a Rega Planar 3 with belt, lid, Ortofon MMC-1 & OM-30 cartridges in the original box and carry them to the recycling deposit and just leave them ther what can I do ? I can't LEAVE them there? I gotta take them home. I gotta keep them. Maybe in 5 years I have 10 Naks. Maybe I will have more Naks that need attention. There is still cassette and open reel tape being made. I think as long as that is true there will be more than just a casual following. Though reels are not to be found in retail outlets and cost a LOT, cassettes have only recently dissappeared from retailoutlets and can still be found in well priced lots here and there. Hey I even got some Sony ElCaset stock from 1976 still sealed 12 to a box. I still need to get a 3head Nak. And a few more cassette decks, some Akais I think. And reel decks, a Pioneer RT-909 10.5'' deck and a Technics RS-777, and maybe a Teac 7'' deck too X-3 or X-7R. One thing I am still unsure about how to proceed into is tube amps. I got two working Tube reel decks and I'd like to hear something all tube. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Apr 7 22:07:28 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:07:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What about rtr's? In-Reply-To: <580699.9701.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <580699.9701.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:23:31 -0700 (PDT), shanti ramachandran wrote: >Roland, > >I have a few AKAIs and the Naks ( cr7,zxl zx9 and dragon) will give them a real run for the money. > >Reel to reels are very much comparable to the Nak big wigs, except that they best tapes available fr reels is EE or SA/UDXLII typeII tapes, whereas the Naks can chew Metal(TYpe Iv) tapes and record higher db with less distortion. Reel decks also had TYPE III for a while. I have a Sony FerroChrome reel somewhere in a red box. I also have a BASF and a AGFA FerroCrhome cassette. >Comparing type II tapes on both, reels have an openness lacking in the mid level Naks. May be the higher headroom and tape speed help the reels. With rtr you can expect more wo noise reduction or riding on edge-of-specs. >Recording with dbx on reels is like listening to the CD with superb bass and no noise! Agree. With the high requirements for DBX to do its thing reel deck have always been better disposed at yielding the mechanical side for dbx to be worth it. Not saying that cassettes could not get there, but it was at more effort to arrive there. Reel decks have always been more easy to clean the heads and tape path on. Cassette decks only a few models have good head access, such as Luxman K115, Studer S721, several Sansui models like SC-1110, SC-2100 and SC-5300. And others too. Which cassette deck comes close to being the ultimate in sound, looks, use, cleaning, support, parts and service compared to price paid for new and used? It is not a straightforward question esp with relation to the price. You really have to have been able to audition lots of decks over time to know how it is when service time comes along and the warranty ended a long time ago. -Mikkel From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Apr 7 23:24:53 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:24:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bala no! Message-ID: <005501c7795b$3052b520$bed117c4@home> Well Bala I think it is sad that you will be leaving us! There I was hoping to see your thesis on the refurbishment of a 1000ZXL.All your knowledge lost to the rest of us. Your leaving the group will leave such a big void .I think you should reconsider! Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 21:52:01 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070407135538.00886100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <480618.70748.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom and fellow NalkTalkers, Its people with passion for our machines that keeps us and our Naks going. These are people like you, Bala, Jeff W,Dean, Kanna and the like. I felt as Bala perhaps did( I am not speaking for him) that there was quite a bit of venom in the posts kicked off by me about ESLs charges, and that drove him to a point of quitting Nak Talk! We all value Bala's opinion very much. Bala I respect you for the knowledge you possess and for the way in which you narrated it in these posts here at Nalktalk. I Ram Hi Tech wrote: Bala, I personally want to apologize. I have agreed to work on far too many fronts. I seek your guidance in these matters. Like a kid playing outside on a summer evening, I just don't want to come in for my bath. I feel your presence and passion half way around the world. That presence doesn't take the great circle route, but passes through earth's very core. That is what you mean to me. You speak through the core. tom brucker At 08:40 PM 4/6/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get tures/mail/> new email alerts with the free < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/>Yahoo! Toolbar.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 7 22:52:18 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520822.47042.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. Thanks for coming by us. We appreciate it more than you would imagine. Regards, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: Thanks Tom - I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of reworking it. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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That should bring the deck up and running. Also reset the azimuth motor back to center and check if the blip killed the motion sensor and tape counter light bulbs on the transport. Not that I am teaching you what to do, but it may make it faster to turn his deck around. I am supposed to swap a transport on his second 680ZX which has a jammed pinch roller mechanism when I planned to visit him this June. I think I'd probably send the mechanism to him and if he runs into a problem, please try to help him. Chances are I may carry on to my final destination in Missouri directly. I don't wish to hold a grudge against anyone, and have no intentions against anyone. But money is not an issue Tom, and I willing to pay whatever one asks for - what is more important is that one keeps his word and remains true to it. That value is something that even money cannot buy. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 2:55:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Bala, I personally want to apologize. I have agreed to work on far too many fronts. I seek your guidance in these matters. Like a kid playing outside on a summer evening, I just don't want to come in for my bath. I feel your presence and passion half way around the world. That presence doesn't take the great circle route, but passes through earth's very core. That is what you mean to me. You speak through the core. tom brucker At 08:40 PM 4/6/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff, This is something good that you brought up and you summed things up pretty well. When I bought cassette decks, I was always told by owners that it worked the last time they used it. But I always braced myself and eventually got the machines working. No one it wrong, but its just how we understand each other and position ourselves. The senior members would probably understand and having seen such arguments, would reserve their valued words for those posts that really require them. My own mission has been to personally instill people's confidence in the ZXL series of decks, after having heard it perform and personally restoring 3 1000ZXL and 700ZXLs (a second 700ZXL is undergoing restoration) from total failure to fully functioning. It wasn't hard, and it was simply worth the sound. But the machines are different and people have to know how to treat them and their weaknesses. Having taken this stance, I've drawn flak and thats fine with me. Some people did listen to me, and have come back clear that the ZXL was indeed a top-flight deck. But every Nak has its unique sound and its place, which is why I retain so many types of Naks and love everyone of them. However, now I have decided to quit Naktalk, and hence would like to say thanks to each and every one of you. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 8:48:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk Hi Y'all, Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! And now, long gone. Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people now express that frustration. My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated and annoyed - and annoying. My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/>Yahoo! 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URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Sun Apr 8 03:36:58 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:36:58 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070407183200.04f3ed78@paradise.net.nz> <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070408133327.044d0a18@paradise.net.nz> Hi Tom Thank you for this. I've checked the button and it doesn't seem to be stuck. I've tried holding it down and holding it with a combination of other buttons but no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that when I hold the button the 88:88 does dim very very slightly. Could there be another way of resetting this button? Brett At 06:42 a.m. 8/04/2007, you wrote: >Brett, > I have not encountered :)) that problem. I suspect the counter mode >button may be stuck. 88:88 is all segments lit, a common electronic >counter display after reset. I'll bet the counter reset is a computer reset >that goes from 88:88 to 00:00 when the button is released. > >tom brucker > >At 06:33 PM 4/7/07 +1200, you wrote: > >I sent this message while the list was busy "discussing" other > >matters. Can anyone help here? > >*************************************************************************** >**************** > >I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. > >The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only > >shows 88:88. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Brett > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paulkoo at comcast.net Sun Apr 8 03:40:25 2007 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:40:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C Message-ID: <040820070140.19858.461848090005916900004D922213575333010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Welcome Willy. I remember you from your work at DB Audio in Berkeley. In fact, you may have setup my SOTA turntable. I could not affort to have both a Nak and a SOTA then but was forturnate enough to be given a CR-7A by a friend three years ago. We have a very active Bay Area Nak following. Robert Kent actually hosted a Nak Fest two years ago with a very good turnout. Maybe we can revive the Bay Area Nak group. Paul Koo -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: shanti ramachandran > Willy, > > Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. > > Thanks for coming by us. > We appreciate it more than you would imagine. > > Regards, > Ram > > Willy Hermann wrote: > Thanks Tom - > > I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent > to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I > should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that > I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have > been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and > only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco > Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi > technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country > (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the > line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual > which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I > didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete > set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping > Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it > for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. > I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of > reworking it. > > Willy Hermann > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C > > > Hi Willy, > Welcome to Naktalk. > You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several > members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. > Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have > been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to > maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). > > tom brucker > > At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:08:59 +0000 Size: 9085 URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Sun Apr 8 06:18:16 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:18:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? In-Reply-To: <20070405123536.16259.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. I don't use equalization of any kind; my preamp doesn't even have tone controls. Using any type of signal processing only adds noise and distortion. I find careful matching of components/interconnects a much better idea. I can tell you this, though: I lived with an Aiwa 660 cassette deck, which I still find to be better than the 770 or 990 (even though the 990 has the best heads of the three), until recently. I stumbled onto a Nak 480, and have been a convert ever since! Even though all those Aiwa'a have Dolby C, my Nak 480 is much quieter, and the transport is rock solid and steady. Wow and Flutter? Not with the Nak! In fact, I recently bought another 480! Peace, Mike >From: Bob Naylor >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk]Whats your opinion? >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:35:36 -0700 (PDT) > >Ram, > I record everything flat and use a 12 band equilizer to tweak the sound >on playback. I use this EQ with the same settings for playing CD's, FM >stereo, tape, or records. It works for my room/speakers. > Bob > >shanti ramachandran wrote: > >Hi fellow members, > > After the storm theres always a calm breeze. Thats whats been hitting us >since Monday morning. > > It was nice to see varied opinions and I love this forum for the >forceful debate we generated on an important issue. Our Nak Service. > > Now that that dust has settled, I have a question to ask our esteemed >membership to start another chain. > > Do you folks use ( or recommend) any bass, midrange, treble when you >play or record on your Naks? > > I do not yet, because I feel the sound that comes flat is absolutely >sweet from my speakers on almost any Nak I play/record from. > > Lets hear opinions with facts on sound theory too and also >recommendations from our experts. > > Jeff Galin, I consider you to be an expert( and respect you immensely >for that) and you are invited too, putting our past differences aside and >away and advising us on the above. > > Of course, Bala, Tom...etc.. you all are invited to shed light on this >matter too. > > Waiting for the varied opinions on this aspect of listewning/recording. > > Thanks > Ram >Graham Nelson wrote: > Paul > >Which make/model of Class D amp are you using with your Nak set up? > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Paul Carrington >Sent: 04 April 2007 01:30 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Value of Nak today > > >I have a Leak stereo 60 somewhat modded but have set it aside since >acquiring a class D amplifier (solidstate) This gives me increased power >for my Maggies and sound as smooth as the valve amplifier sounded. .... is >not exploited >Regards >Paul > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 8 07:03:20 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:03:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What about rtr's? In-Reply-To: References: <20070407040858.UKUT21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <20070408050313.BBXT9384.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> > hahahaha, Mikkel, the only thing I've ever found thrown out was a TDK D90 used!!! The only money deal I've ever had was buying a DM-10 for $8 from the local Salvation Army. I find it simply amazing that even though I got every two weeks, I've NEVER seen a deal on a Nakamichi deck. And I've been going to three Salvation Army stores for the last four years. Yea, like some local hi-fi or pawn shop doesn't have a silent deal with the guys who work there. There was a gent on Naktalk that spoke highly of Otari. This gent had some very, very professional recording equipment. >But heck if people THROW a Rega Planar 3 with belt, lid, Ortofon MMC-1 & OM-30 >cartridges in the original box and carry them to the recycling >deposit and just leave >them ther what can I do ? I can't LEAVE them there? I gotta take >them home. I gotta >keep them From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 8 07:04:10 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:04:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit Message-ID: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Where's Kermit? Last I recall, he was taking a sabbatical for a project? From esteyes at cox.net Sun Apr 8 08:00:24 2007 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:00:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] bala, don't go Message-ID: <009d01c779a3$32ed2160$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> as another lurker i do not post often, but i do so much enjoy all the naktalk i read. i also enjoy all of bala's commentary and insight. it will be a sad day for me, and the list, to lose bala. bala please stay. neil in san marcos, ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was making tapes on my dad's Aiwa F990 from the age of 10, when my love for tape and analogue in general got ignited. I got my first Nak, a 670ZX when I was 16. Despite having grown-up with audio, I never ever belittle those who are new and who own a Nak with high hopes. I dislike to discourage people that repairing the only way to repair a Nak is through specialist advice and equipment. Some repairs yes, but not all. This stance and my support for the ZXL series has had some people who have been hostile towards me. In the same way, some very good members have been beaten down by others and Naktalk has lost these very valuable people. My departure is not new, but will it become the norm? I do not know the future of Naktalk, but if talent and the community spirit is to be retained, a greening of Naktalk is needed. People who disparage others should be ignored - we are all here with one common love and passion. And that passion should see us through barriers of age, race, creed , continents and experience. The day I see such respect and humility between Nakkers will be the day I will become active in Naktalk again. For the rest of you gentlemen, my email is bg3009'at'yahoo.com and my skype id is ams_bala . Thank You all and God Bless. Bala ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil05 at abv.bg Sun Apr 8 10:44:02 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:44:02 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5 Message-ID: <2424869.602541176021842574.JavaMail.nobody@mail04.abv.bg> Hello! In my LX 5 (s/n 18611) this noise comes from the capstan motor EG 51OED – 2B, when running. Is it allowed to put a drop or two oil on the front shaft/bearing (between the pulley and the housing?) Is the rear bearing is in the housing and not possible to be oiled? I have some oil isoflex PDP 65 I have seen one different and more heavy capstan motor in one older LX 5 s/n appr. 8000, running absolutely without noise, label like MMX 5A2LSD, was the older motor better? Thank you all and have a nice time! Valentin From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 8 11:31:52 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:31:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5 Message-ID: Hello Valentin, Yes...you dan drop 2 drops of Sewing Machine oil, exactly in the place that you describe...& I'm sure that all the noise will disappear...BUT...BUT...also can be that your capstan belt is stretched out...so check that & changed it, after that you oiled the capstan motor bearing. Good luck,ALEX! > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:44:02 +0300> From: phil05 at abv.bg> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5> > Hello! In my LX 5 (s/n 18611) this noise comes from the capstan motor EG 51OED – 2B, when running. Is it allowed to put a drop or two oil on the front shaft/bearing (between the pulley and the housing?) Is the rear bearing is in the housing and not possible to be oiled? > > I have some oil isoflex PDP 65> > I have seen one different and more heavy capstan motor in one older LX 5 s/n appr. 8000, running absolutely without noise, label like MMX 5A2LSD, was the older motor better?> > Thank you all and have a nice time! Valentin> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. 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URL: From wenevermet at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 14:49:57 2007 From: wenevermet at yahoo.com (Alex) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: WF measurements Message-ID: <33297.28067.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hallo Tom, Well, indeed, when I look at the US ebay offers - I'm ready to gnaw my fingers off. 35 USD is a great price, but unfortunately I am located in Germany, where stuff like this won't go for less than 50-70 euro (if I recall it correctly). Right now there are two W&F meters - Leader LFM-3616, Kenwood FL-180A as well as TEAC test tapes, but I am afraid the final price will be exorbitant (considering the age and market size). If not - I definitely will grab one of those. Frequency analysis is readily available in many audio record software packages, as well as filtering. Custom filter design is also quite advanced in modern software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated signal - please correct me if I am wrong. cheers, Alex Original message: Alex, I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and Flutter meters on eBay. I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The most these sell for is $35. A software program would have to adopt the three weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, Average, and peak values. A very powerful tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the low frequency limit is on the average sound card? tom brucker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Apr 8 15:08:31 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:08:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: WF measurements In-Reply-To: <33297.28067.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <33297.28067.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4618E94F.5060604@cox.net> Hi - The recent posts about wow and flutter reignited my interest in being able to measure it myself, so I successfully bid on a W&F meter on ebay and it should arrive in a week. However, I am very interested in a software package which could help to analyze the components of the W&F. Yes, the primary signal is 3kHz, and measuring it's accuracy will tell you the speed. But it is how the 3kHz is varying which is really of interest. The 3kHz will be modulated by lower frequency components which are what the W&F meter are measuring. Think of an eccentric record - the primary signal you are listening to is the piano note in the song, but it is being modulated by a once-per revolution eccentricity, and that is really the measurement you are interested in making. Identifying the modulation signatures in the 3kHz can help pinpoint the sources of wow or flutter by looking for the mechanical devices which rotate at the frequencies found in the signatures. Does the way I've stated this make sense? Tim Barrett Alex wrote: > hallo Tom, > > Well, indeed, when I look at the US ebay offers - I'm > ready to gnaw my fingers off. 35 USD is a great price, > but unfortunately I am located in Germany, where stuff > like this won't go for less than 50-70 euro (if I > recall it correctly). Right now there are two W&F > meters - Leader LFM-3616, Kenwood FL-180A as well as > TEAC test tapes, but I am afraid the final price will > be exorbitant (considering the age and market size). > If not - I definitely will grab one of those. > > Frequency analysis is readily available in many audio > record software packages, as well as filtering. Custom > filter design is also quite advanced in modern > software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would > concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure > if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important > since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated > signal - please correct me if I am wrong. > > cheers, Alex > > Original message: > > Alex, > I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and > Flutter meters on eBay. > I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The > most these sell for is $35. > A software program would have to adopt the three > weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, > Average, and peak values. A very powerful > tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. > Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with > the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a > rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the > low frequency limit is on the average sound card? > > tom brucker > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Custom > filter design is also quite advanced in modern > software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would > concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure > if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important > since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated > signal - please correct me if I am wrong. Yes, you are, and here's why... 3KHz frequency modulated by 20Hz (actually, lower) contains both frequencies, plus sum and difference products. In the measurement, the higher frequencies are filtered out and the residual being read is the lower frequency. Thus, if the measurement chain has poor low frequency response, the reading will be erroneous, on the low side. Note that the lowest wow frequency in a cassette deck is a fraction of one Hz, which is one reason why wow in a cassette deck is even more irritating to the ear than wow in a turntable (which is about 0.5Hz). -- Ron > cheers, Alex > > Original message: > > Alex, > I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and > Flutter meters on eBay. > I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The > most these sell for is $35. > A software program would have to adopt the three > weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, > Average, and peak values. A very powerful > tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. > Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with > the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a > rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the > low frequency limit is on the average sound card? > > tom brucker From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Apr 8 17:29:00 2007 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:29:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 in Australia Message-ID: <000a01c779f2$a1fe69c0$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> I am bidding on a non-working ZX-9 in Austalia that appears to have white lettering on some of the EQ buttons. Is this common? Is it a special factory calibration or what? Thanks to all in the group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 9 00:15:19 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C In-Reply-To: <040820070140.19858.461848090005916900004D922213575333010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <496238.34076.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> paul, I'm 90 miles east of you. Bob paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: Welcome Willy. I remember you from your work at DB Audio in Berkeley. In fact, you may have setup my SOTA turntable. I could not affort to have both a Nak and a SOTA then but was forturnate enough to be given a CR-7A by a friend three years ago. We have a very active Bay Area Nak following. Robert Kent actually hosted a Nak Fest two years ago with a very good turnout. Maybe we can revive the Bay Area Nak group. Paul Koo -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: shanti ramachandran > Willy, > > Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. > > Thanks for coming by us. > We appreciate it more than you would imagine. > > Regards, > Ram > > Willy Hermann wrote: > Thanks Tom - > > I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent > to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I > should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that > I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have > been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and > only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco > Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi > technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country > (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the > line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual > which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I > didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete > set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping > Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it > for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. > I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of > reworking it. > > Willy Hermann > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C > > > Hi Willy, > Welcome to Naktalk. > You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several > members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. > Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have > been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to > maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). > > tom brucker > > At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:08:59 +0000 Willy, Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. Thanks for coming by us. We appreciate it more than you would imagine. Regards, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: Thanks Tom - I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of reworking it. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 01:29:30 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:29:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt Message-ID: Hi all and thanks for the welcome. I have been doing a little belt testing with my 700ZXL and thank Tom Brucker for all his work. My measurements tracked his well, being somewhat lower because of using the 700. Again, thanks to Jeff Whittier for supplying the belts I was using. I don't have a caliper with which to measure the belts, so I'm going by careful ruler measurement (caliper on order). My original belt, with which I experienced no slipping, is slightly larger than 10" - I'm guessing it's in the 10.2" range. Like Toms measurments, I found it to be greatly better than the rest. My only reason for the post is to express concern at the use of the 9.2" belt substitute. First of all, I found it to be dreadful in both measured and audible W/F and would have a hard time returning a machine to a client using it as a replacement. My major concern is about lateral berring wear using a belt that tight. Having worked on many cassette decks as well as open reel machines and turntables, the general design philosophy seems to be that the belt be only tight enough to stay in place and not derail, but not really stretched at all. That way, rotational energy is transferred from one pulley to the other with a minimum of pressure on any of the berrings, which should reduce wow and flutter and minimize wear. I would think a belt a full inch shorter would run the risk of doing damage to the drive train. I also think the difference in speed between belts is due not to the tightness, since I didn't experience any slippage with any of the belts. I think it is due to the thickness of the belt. Effective pulley size (which, along with motor speed, determines tape speed) is the radius of the pulley plus half the thickness of the belt. Help me here, Tom, and let me know if that makes sense to you. All of this leads us to change belts only when absolutely necessary and cherish the original belts with the white marks on them. Jeff may still have another possibility and we'll keep trying. You people are dangerous! I've only been a member of the group a few days and I'm already back into being a total geek. Willy Hermann From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 9 01:51:33 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:51:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt Message-ID: Hi Willy, I've got a question for you - what results did you get on your 700ZXL with the second belt I sent you? It was about 10.0 inches circ, .02 thick, and .25 wide. It comes from Italy. I'm sending one to Tom this week too. 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Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt Hi Willy, I've got a question for you - what results did you get on your 700ZXL with the second belt I sent you? It was about 10.0 inches circ, .02 thick, and .25 wide. It comes from Italy. I'm sending one to Tom this week too. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 9 03:49:46 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:49:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070406180329.0088d100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070406180329.0088d100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46199BBA.5060509@snet.net> ESL was largely responsible for the post 2000 Nakamichi belt manufacturing (along with good ol' Patty in parts). As a result Jeff did buy many of these and we even spoke at one time about the lack of direction indicators and such with Jeff stating that he was very interested in installing some of the new belts and doing some tests. Unfortunately we never got to speak on the subject again, but I have always wondered if the new belts were not quite as good as the originals. Ed Hi Tech wrote: >I am intrigued by the 10" belt. I don't have anything that loose to try, >but the old Nak C8096 measures 10.2" . If that 10" Italian belt is >smooth, it might just work! I remember somewhere a discussion of elastic >properties. If you barely stretch something then it stretches like crazy >under load. The 9.2 belt is stretched to the max, so it vibrates >(stretches) very little logitudinally. A dip into Wikipedia on elastic >properties is in order. > Between the lines is John Nelson's assumption that ESL was buying >the 2004 Nak belt, which means their work might not meet spec? That is why >I want to test with a newer machine. Notice also that the FRX 9.2 wasn't >tested. It is very thick! > Any 0.5mm belt or thinner is a contender. > >tom > >At 12:14 PM 4/6/07 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hey Tom, > >Thanks for doing such a thorough test! > >I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when >they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are >75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's >looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking >at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. > >The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's >fried! > >all the best > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 9 03:57:05 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:57:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46199D71.40103@snet.net> As an old timer it wasn't really that wonderful back then. Belts were even more scarce as Nak hadn't agreed to make more. People knew less about fixing ZXL's than today with the ABLE circuit generally being considered unrepairable and several big brains conspiring on how to reverse engineer it. Ebay was around then too and people were also getting ripped off. There were plenty of bad service places (especially Torrence!) and a few good ones and if you got your deck back from Stephen (then in New Mexico) within three months, you were a very lucky person. And ESL was operating under the exact same business model then as now. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days > of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. > > That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you > needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared > their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! > And now, long gone. > > Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay > and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller > maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done > that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they > can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to > do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL > - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better > warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 > repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for > an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the > current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people > now express that frustration. > > My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone > ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 > price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was > still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently > expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are > confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks > with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated > and annoyed - and annoying. > > My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which > will turn into financial black holes. 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URL: From paulkoo at comcast.net Mon Apr 9 06:07:33 2007 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:07:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C Message-ID: <040920070407.3225.4619BC0500085F0F00000C992200735834010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> Please see Ti Kan's web link of Nak Fest in SF Bay Area. Sorry for using this threat as I don't know how to start a new one. http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/audio/sfnaks/ Paul -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bob Naylor paul, I'm 90 miles east of you. Bob paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: Welcome Willy. I remember you from your work at DB Audio in Berkeley. In fact, you may have setup my SOTA turntable. I could not affort to have both a Nak and a SOTA then but was forturnate enough to be given a CR-7A by a friend three years ago. We have a very active Bay Area Nak following. Robert Kent actually hosted a Nak Fest two years ago with a very good turnout. Maybe we can revive the Bay Area Nak group. Paul Koo -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: shanti ramachandran > Willy, > > Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. > > Thanks for coming by us. > We appreciate it more than you would imagine. > > Regards, > Ram > > Willy Hermann wrote: > Thanks Tom - > > I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent > to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I > should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that > I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have > been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and > only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco > Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi > technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country > (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the > line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual > which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I > didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete > set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping > Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it > for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. > I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of > reworking it. > > Willy Hermann > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C > > > Hi Willy, > Welcome to Naktalk. > You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several > members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. > Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have > been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to > maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). > > tom brucker > > At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:08:59 +0000 Willy, Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. Thanks for coming by us. We appreciate it more than you would imagine. Regards, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: Thanks Tom - I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of reworking it. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Here is the URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: "All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-)." Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me is about 2 hours old. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Mon Apr 9 15:11:03 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:11:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest References: <3.0.3.32.20070406180329.0088d100@earthlink.net> <46199BBA.5060509@snet.net> Message-ID: <009d01c77aa8$91bdfbf0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi All, The belts, that I am using and selling, are the Nakamichi premium originals. They are brand new from old stock and perform flawlessly. We are measuring much better wow & flutter specs than I have heard mentioned on Naktalk. It is necessary to use the original Nakamichi W&F test tape to obtain these results on a properly working machine. We don't see or measure any differences between the belts, regardless of the batch or when they were made. All of these belts were sold to Nakamichi by the original Japanese manufacturer. I have tried hundreds of others and have never found the perfect replacements. I have found a good usable replacement for the CR-7 direct drive motor system. These are available for much less. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest ESL was largely responsible for the post 2000 Nakamichi belt manufacturing (along with good ol' Patty in parts). As a result Jeff did buy many of these and we even spoke at one time about the lack of direction indicators and such with Jeff stating that he was very interested in installing some of the new belts and doing some tests. Unfortunately we never got to speak on the subject again, but I have always wondered if the new belts were not quite as good as the originals. Ed Hi Tech wrote: I am intrigued by the 10" belt. I don't have anything that loose to try, but the old Nak C8096 measures 10.2" . If that 10" Italian belt is smooth, it might just work! I remember somewhere a discussion of elastic properties. If you barely stretch something then it stretches like crazy under load. The 9.2 belt is stretched to the max, so it vibrates (stretches) very little logitudinally. A dip into Wikipedia on elastic properties is in order. Between the lines is John Nelson's assumption that ESL was buying the 2004 Nak belt, which means their work might not meet spec? That is why I want to test with a newer machine. Notice also that the FRX 9.2 wasn't tested. It is very thick! Any 0.5mm belt or thinner is a contender. tom At 12:14 PM 4/6/07 EDT, you wrote: Hey Tom, Thanks for doing such a thorough test! I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are 75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's fried! all the best Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 9 15:24:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:24:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <009d01c77aa8$91bdfbf0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> References: <3.0.3.32.20070406180329.0088d100@earthlink.net> <46199BBA.5060509@snet.net> <009d01c77aa8$91bdfbf0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <461A3E73.8020602@rcn.com> jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > Hi All, > > The belts, that I am using and selling, are the Nakamichi premium > originals. They are brand new from old stock and perform flawlessly. > We are measuring much better wow & flutter specs than I have heard > mentioned on Naktalk. It is necessary to use the original Nakamichi W&F > test tape to obtain these results on a properly working machine. We > don't see or measure any differences between the belts, regardless of > the batch or when they were made. All of these belts were sold to > Nakamichi by the original Japanese manufacturer. I have tried hundreds > of others and have never found the perfect replacements. I have found a > good usable replacement for the CR-7 direct drive motor system. These > are available for much less. What is he source of these, Jeff? > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > > www.nakamichi.us > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Edward Noyes > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > > ESL was largely responsible for the post 2000 Nakamichi belt > manufacturing (along with good ol' Patty in parts). As a result Jeff did > buy many of these and we even spoke at one time about the lack of > direction indicators and such with Jeff stating that he was very > interested in installing some of the new belts and doing some tests. > Unfortunately we never got to speak on the subject again, but I have > always wondered if the new belts were not quite as good as the originals. > > Ed > > Hi Tech wrote: >> I am intrigued by the 10" belt. I don't have anything that loose to try, >> but the old Nak C8096 measures 10.2" . If that 10" Italian belt is >> smooth, it might just work! I remember somewhere a discussion of elastic >> properties. If you barely stretch something then it stretches like crazy >> under load. The 9.2 belt is stretched to the max, so it vibrates >> (stretches) very little logitudinally. A dip into Wikipedia on elastic >> properties is in order. >> Between the lines is John Nelson's assumption that ESL was buying >> the 2004 Nak belt, which means their work might not meet spec? That is why >> I want to test with a newer machine. Notice also that the FRX 9.2 wasn't >> tested. It is very thick! >> Any 0.5mm belt or thinner is a contender. >> >> tom >> >> At 12:14 PM 4/6/07 EDT, you wrote: >> >> Hey Tom, >> >> Thanks for doing such a thorough test! >> >> I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when >> they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are >> 75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's >> looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking >> at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. >> >> The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's >> fried! >> >> all the best >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 15:33:15 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <01b301c77a97$d96b3280$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <707509.66833.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Folks, I had paid this seller $1442 through Payal 2 weeks ago and bought the 1000ZXL through audiogon. 6 days after paying him he refunds my money back and said he has an issue with the left channel. No sound at all...and he did not want to waste my time. I do not know hwy he has listed again on Craigs list. I would suggest caution at this point in time with this seller! Ram Dan wrote: FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in the group. Here is the URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: “All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-).” Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me is about 2 hours old. Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Apr 9 15:41:57 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:41:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] More on 550 Message-ID: Wow! The non-working ZX9 on ebay Australia sold for $546.66 to a buyer in Russia. I need a little more help with my 550. The tape alarm light now flashes on during play and record, and the auto shut off is not working. I checked the position of the reed switch and it seems OK. My guess is it is a transistor, cap or diode but unfortunately I don't know enough about how circuits work. Also does anyone know a source of a new or used record/play head for a 550? Thanks David From Lotloggin at aol.com Mon Apr 9 19:45:03 2007 From: Lotloggin at aol.com (Lotloggin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:45:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Hi Tom, I am ready to get started on the 700II repair, although I am unable to locate the downloadable 700II manual on the naks.com links page. I searched all provided links and cannot find it. Is is still available or am I missing something? Again thanks for you help. Pete Pete, As I recall the auto stop acts very quickly on the 700. If the take up reel is turning, and you can figure out how to remove the top silver face (download manual from links on Naks.com), you can observe the auto stop. Is the belt so stretched that it fails to turn the optical wheel? Is the lamp illuminated on the optical wheel? If both of these are ok, then there is a problem with the head base solenoid drive circuitry. Solenoids have a 2 level drive: high current to pull the solenoid , and low current to hold the solenoid in place. The hold current may be too low , or missing. tom brucker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Apr 9 20:33:38 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:33:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824CE8FD-95B7-4A41-B460-D56AC5AC82D2@thegreatbear.net> hi.. i don't believe anyone has posted a full PDF version of the 700II service manual I have an original copy and recently scanned some pages for Bala and also posted these on the Ebaman site. These were all related to the electronics of the transport. I am happy to scan any particular piece, although the whole manual will take me too long! If you with help here can isolate exactly which bit you need, I'll scan the relevant section. adrian On 9 Apr 2007, at 18:45, Lotloggin at aol.com wrote: > Hi Tom, > I am ready to get started on the 700II repair, although I am > unable to locate the downloadable 700II manual on the naks.com > links page. I searched all provided links and cannot find it. Is is > still available or am I missing something? Again thanks for you help. > Pete > > > Pete, > As I recall the auto stop acts very quickly on the 700. If > the take > up reel is turning, and you can figure out how to remove the top > silver > face (download manual from links on Naks.com), you can observe the > auto > stop. Is the belt so stretched that it fails to turn the optical > wheel? Is > the lamp illuminated on the optical wheel? If both of these are > ok, then > there is a problem with the head base solenoid drive circuitry. > Solenoids > have a 2 level drive: high current to pull the solenoid , and low > current > to hold the solenoid in place. The hold current may be too low , or > missing. > > tom brucker > > > > > See what's free at AOL.com. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 9 20:59:45 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:59:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit In-Reply-To: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com> All I know is that the KVG website moved from woods-and-waters.com to kvglabs.com, and that there's no reply from him with the old e-mail address. I just tried contacting him from him new e-mail address at kvglabs.com. The new site doesn't have all the technical information PDFs he had before. On 4/8/07, Roland wrote: > > Where's Kermit? Last I recall, he was taking a sabbatical for a project? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 9 21:37:36 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:37:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tom and the Group, I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, than any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, and helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than what they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " GAME " of proving or defending my product? The group will get some information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the answer. Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I know for a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a offshore manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the ultimate replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, does NOT exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to date and compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone could "hear" the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in making everyone understand ! The belts you are testing are the same belts everyone has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became unavailable, ( WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support E.S.L. 100%. If I had the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this planet because I PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. After all, when their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the exception of E.S.L.), because they are ALL coming from the SAME manufacturers! I started researching all of this about a year ago and originally put the project on hold because of this FACT. When I found "my guy", I knew I something NEW to offer and brought the project back to life. For now, the group will just have to settle for the " Best Available". Coming from the manufacturing industry I understand why no one is offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased production cost for a "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to produce a belt with tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", predicated on the sales forecast of today. Even if I manage to convince "my guy" to produce the "Original", his purchase requirements for that 1 SKU will be out of site. I hope I am wrong about this, but if every member of Naktalk purchased 100 belts each, we would not put a dent in what his requirements to produce will demand. I will estimate his minimum to produce this "ORIGINAL", will be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 million units, in addition to die cost, which I would have to pay, IF his original no longer exist. In closing, this small time deal I have right now is working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF the "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue my involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than the "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative about it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. Not to worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around and help / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred Hi Tech wrote >Fred, > Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >manufacturers. This is very good news. > >I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >is all about materials and construction. > >tom brucker > >At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: > > > Hello to the group. >Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred > >---------- > > > >[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > > tom brucker >0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net > Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 > * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >---------- > April 7, 2007 >Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. > Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt > > >The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >test tape > >BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >details > > >Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >speed a bit slow >10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings > >New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " > > >Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady > > >FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " > >42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady > > >42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " > > >FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " > > >Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings > > >Here are some preliminary thoughts: >This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. > The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. > I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >violin tone. > Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >to the motor. > The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >belts. Smooth belts measure better. > > >Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. > > I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >measure the same but have different speed results. > >Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >membership personal use only. > >tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >---------- > >* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >---------- > More information about the >Naktalk mailing list > ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 9 22:14:09 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:14:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net> <461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Tom and the Group, > > I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come > to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my > product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts > won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, than > any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned > previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair > shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, and > helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than what > they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " GAME " > of proving or defending my product? The group will get some > information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him > up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so > everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive > belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to > keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is > the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The > 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a > cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it > will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the answer. > Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I know for > a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a offshore > manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the ultimate > replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, does NOT > exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to date and > compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone could "hear" > the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in making everyone > understand ! The belts you are testing are the same belts everyone > has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became unavailable, ( WITH THE > EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support E.S.L. 100%. If I had > the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this planet because I > PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. After all, when > their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it makes NO DIFFERENCE > WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the exception of E.S.L.), > because they are ALL coming from the SAME manufacturers! I started > researching all of this about a year ago and originally put the > project on hold because of this FACT. When I found "my guy", I knew I > something NEW to offer and brought the project back to life. For > now, the group will just have to settle for the " Best Available". > Coming from the manufacturing industry I understand why no one is > offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased production cost for a > "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to produce a belt with > tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", predicated on the sales > forecast of today. Even if I manage to convince "my guy" to produce > the "Original", his purchase requirements for that 1 SKU will be out > of site. I hope I am wrong about this, but if every member of Naktalk > purchased 100 belts each, we would not put a dent in what his > requirements to produce will demand. I will estimate his minimum to > produce this "ORIGINAL", will be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 > million units, in addition to die cost, which I would have to pay, IF > his original no longer exist. In closing, this small time deal I have > right now is working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF > the "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue > my involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only > stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. > Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than the > "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative about > it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. Not to > worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around and help > / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred > > Hi Tech wrote > >>Fred, >> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>manufacturers. This is very good news. >> >>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>is all about materials and construction. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> Hello to the group. >>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >> >>---------- >> >> >> >>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >> >> tom brucker >>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >>---------- >> April 7, 2007 >>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >> >> >>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>test tape >> >>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>details >> >> >>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>speed a bit slow >>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >> >>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >> >> >>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >> >> >>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >> >>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >> >> >>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >> >> >>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >> >> >>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >> >> >>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>violin tone. >> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>to the motor. >> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >> >> >>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >> >> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>measure the same but have different speed results. >> >>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >>membership personal use only. >> >>tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >>---------- >> >>* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >>---------- >> More information about the >>Naktalk mailing list >> >><<<< >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 9 22:34:01 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:34:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2007 1:20:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! Yeah, I noticed your new offering was a belt kit for a Dragon for around $25. Since the Dragon only uses a cam belt and a counter belt, both of which are widely available for about 89 cents, I'm sure that's very profitable for you. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Apr 9 22:43:23 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:43:23 +0100 Subject: [!! SPAM] [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com><4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com><3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net><461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <461AA56B.1080706@whiteapple.u-net.com> Well Bala looks as though you have the right idea after all!!! I thought the postings were moderated yet this gets through? Doug Locke. Marrs Communications wrote: > YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO > OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! > > Marrs Communications wrote: >> Hi Tom and the Group, >> >> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have >> come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw >> my product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts >> won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, >> than any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned >> previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair >> shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, >> and helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than >> what they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " >> GAME " of proving or defending my product? The group will get some >> information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him >> up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so >> everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive >> belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to >> keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is >> the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The >> 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a >> cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it >> will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the >> answer. Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I >> know for a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a >> offshore manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the >> ultimate replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, >> does NOT exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to >> date and compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone >> could "hear" the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in >> making everyone understand ! The belts you are testing are the same >> belts everyone has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became >> unavailable, ( WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support >> E.S.L. 100%. If I had the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this >> planet because I PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. >> After all, when their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it >> makes NO DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the >> exception of E.S.L.), because they are ALL coming from the SAME >> manufacturers! I started researching all of this about a year ago and >> originally put the project on hold because of this FACT. When I >> found "my guy", I knew I something NEW to offer and brought the >> project back to life. For now, the group will just have to settle >> for the " Best Available". Coming from the manufacturing industry I >> understand why no one is offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased >> production cost for a "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to >> produce a belt with tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", >> predicated on the sales forecast of today. Even if I manage to >> convince "my guy" to produce the "Original", his purchase >> requirements for that 1 SKU will be out of site. I hope I am wrong >> about this, but if every member of Naktalk purchased 100 belts each, >> we would not put a dent in what his requirements to produce will >> demand. I will estimate his minimum to produce this "ORIGINAL", will >> be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 million units, in addition to >> die cost, which I would have to pay, IF his original no longer >> exist. In closing, this small time deal I have right now is >> working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF the >> "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue my >> involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only >> stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. >> Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than >> the "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative >> about it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. >> Not to worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around >> and help / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Apr 9 22:49:01 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:49:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com > References: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070409204852.URTO21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Antoine, thanks for the update on Kermit and his new website. I'll make a bookmark. He impressed me with his knowledge. Just wondering if his disability was starting to get the best of him or yet worse,....... At 02:59 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >All I know is that the KVG website moved from >woods-and-waters.com > to kvglabs.com, and that >there's no reply from him with the old e-mail >address. I just tried contacting him from him >new e-mail address at >kvglabs.com. The new site >doesn't have all the technical information PDFs he had before. > >On 4/8/07, Roland < rjlbjk at cox.net> wrote: >Where's Kermit? 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 9 23:06:02 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:06:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461A9FF0.7060102@marrscommunications.com> References: <461A9FF0.7060102@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <461AAABA.4@marrscommunications.com> Hello Group, What you don't understand. Jeff started this crap with me on eBay. My language is MILD to what he used on eBay. Why did your B.S. stop on eBay Jeff? Did you get a warning from eBay? And Jeff, better check you research,____ the Dragon uses 3 blets plus the idler. End of conversation. Fred > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2007-April/035386.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > > Marrs Communications marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > > Mon Apr 9 22:14:09 CEST 2007 > > * Previous message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the > quest <035384.html> > * Next message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > <035385.html> > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] > [ subject ] [ author ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO >OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! > >Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Tom and the Group, >> >> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come >> to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my >> product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts >> won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, than >> any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned >> previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair >> shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, and >> helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than what >> they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " GAME " >> of proving or defending my product? The group will get some >> information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him >> up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so >> everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive >> belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to >> keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is >> the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The >> 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a >> cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it >> will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the answer. >> Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I know for >> a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a offshore >> manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the ultimate >> replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, does NOT >> exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to date and >> compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone could "hear" >> the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in making everyone >> understand ! The belts you are testing are the same belts everyone >> has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became unavailable, ( WITH THE >> EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support E.S.L. 100%. If I had >> the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this planet because I >> PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. After all, when >> their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it makes NO DIFFERENCE >> WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the exception of E.S.L.), >> because they are ALL coming from the SAME manufacturers! I started >> researching all of this about a year ago and originally put the >> project on hold because of this FACT. When I found "my guy", I knew I >> something NEW to offer and brought the project back to life. For >> now, the group will just have to settle for the " Best Available". >> Coming from the manufacturing industry I understand why no one is >> offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased production cost for a >> "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to produce a belt with >> tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", predicated on the sales >> forecast of today. Even if I manage to convince "my guy" to produce >> the "Original", his purchase requirements for that 1 SKU will be out >> of site. I hope I am wrong about this, but if every member of Naktalk >> purchased 100 belts each, we would not put a dent in what his >> requirements to produce will demand. I will estimate his minimum to >> produce this "ORIGINAL", will be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 >> million units, in addition to die cost, which I would have to pay, IF >> his original no longer exist. In closing, this small time deal I have >> right now is working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF >> the "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue >> my involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only >> stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. >> Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than the >> "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative about >> it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. Not to >> worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around and help >> / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred >> >> Hi Tech wrote >> >>>Fred, >>> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>>manufacturers. This is very good news. >>> >>>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>>is all about materials and construction. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello to the group. >>>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >>> >>>---------- >>> >>> >>> >>>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>> >>> tom brucker >>>>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >>> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> April 7, 2007 >>>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >>> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >>> >>> >>>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>>test tape >>> >>>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>>details >>> >>> >>>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>>speed a bit slow >>>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >>> >>>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >>> >>> >>>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >>> >>>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >>> >>> >>>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >>> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >>> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>>violin tone. >>> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>>to the motor. >>> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >>> >>> >>>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >>> >>> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>>measure the same but have different speed results. >>> >>>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>>or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >>>membership personal use only. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>>---------- >>> >>>* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> More information about the >>>Naktalk mailing list >>> >>><<<< >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070409/7e435a11/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * Previous message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the > quest <035384.html> > * Next message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest > <035385.html> > * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] > [ subject ] [ author ] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > More information about the Naktalk mailing list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lotloggin at aol.com Mon Apr 9 23:13:51 2007 From: Lotloggin at aol.com (Lotloggin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:13:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Play Not Engaging, Please Help Message-ID: Hello Adrian, I appreciate your response. If you are willing to scan a few pages relating to the auto stop & optical wheel section that Tom was talking about I would be extremely grateful. Thank you again for the offer. Pete hi.. i don't believe anyone has posted a full PDF version of the 700II service manual I have an original copy and recently scanned some pages for Bala and also posted these on the Ebaman site. These were all related to the electronics of the transport. I am happy to scan any particular piece, although the whole manual will take me too long! If you with help here can isolate exactly which bit you need, I'll scan the relevant section. adrian ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Mon Apr 9 14:30:02 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:30:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 in Australia - eBay offering In-Reply-To: <200704091001.l39A0xoM003243@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704091001.l39A0xoM003243@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C948B9EE3417F6-1608-64D@WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com> Hi Rainer and Joy The labelling on that unit is on the preset adjustor covers - these are plastic covers that slip off to allow calibration. It looks as though the owner has stuck on some labels to help him remember which adjuster is which. In any event, as a user of ZX-7s and ZX-9s, I always leave those covers off - I find them a nuisance, and I actually think the deck looks nicer without them. So if it was me, I wouldn't worry about the labelling on them - it'll probably clean off anyway. Having said that, I didn't attempt to look into the general condition of the ZX-9 - but it's a wonderful model. Good luck John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 53 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: bala, don't go (Doug Locke) 2. Re: WF measurements (Alex) 3. Re: Re: WF measurements (Tim Barrett) 4. Re: Re: WF measurements (Ron) 5. ZX-9 in Australia (Rainer & Joy-Ell) 6. RE: OC08096C (Bob Naylor) 7. Beating a dead belt (Willy Hermann) 8. Re: Beating a dead belt (Bansijeff at aol.com) 9. RE: Beating a dead belt (Willy Hermann) 10. Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest (Edward Noyes) 11. Re: The Good Ole Days of Naktalk (Edward Noyes) 12. RE: OC08096C (paulkoo at comcast.net) 13. RE: OC08096C (Roland) 14. Re: WF measurements (Per) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:34:36 +0100 From: Doug Locke Subject: Re: [naktalk] bala, don't go To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4618C53C.9020406 at whiteapple.u-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who mostly just reads the emails due to my inability to contribute very much to the technical side of things, can I just say to Bala that it would be a great loss if he leaves the list. Having been a member for quite a long while I remember the gap left by Carlos when he left and can only say that there would be a big gap Bala without your erudute comments. Doug Locke. Neil Sturtevant wrote: > as another lurker i do not post often, but i do so much enjoy all the > naktalk i read. i also enjoy all of bala's commentary and insight. it > will be a sad day for me, and the list, to lose bala. > > bala please stay. > > neil in san marcos, ca > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/0453c248/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Subject: [naktalk] Re: WF measurements To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <33297.28067.qm at web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hallo Tom, Well, indeed, when I look at the US ebay offers - I'm ready to gnaw my fingers off. 35 USD is a great price, but unfortunately I am located in Germany, where stuff like this won't go for less than 50-70 euro (if I recall it correctly). Right now there are two W&F meters - Leader LFM-3616, Kenwood FL-180A as well as TEAC test tapes, but I am afraid the final price will be exorbitant (considering the age and market size). If not - I definitely will grab one of those. Frequency analysis is readily available in many audio record software packages, as well as filtering. Custom filter design is also quite advanced in modern software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated signal - please correct me if I am wrong. cheers, Alex Original message: Alex, I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and Flutter meters on eBay. I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The most these sell for is $35. A software program would have to adopt the three weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, Average, and peak values. A very powerful tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the low frequency limit is on the average sound card? tom brucker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:08:31 -0400 From: Tim Barrett Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: WF measurements To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4618E94F.5060604 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi - The recent posts about wow and flutter reignited my interest in being able to measure it myself, so I successfully bid on a W&F meter on ebay and it should arrive in a week. However, I am very interested in a software package which could help to analyze the components of the W&F. Yes, the primary signal is 3kHz, and measuring it's accuracy will tell you the speed. But it is how the 3kHz is varying which is really of interest. The 3kHz will be modulated by lower frequency components which are what the W&F meter are measuring. Think of an eccentric record - the primary signal you are listening to is the piano note in the song, but it is being modulated by a once-per revolution eccentricity, and that is really the measurement you are interested in making. Identifying the modulation signatures in the 3kHz can help pinpoint the sources of wow or flutter by looking for the mechanical devices which rotate at the frequencies found in the signatures. Does the way I've stated this make sense? Tim Barrett Alex wrote: > hallo Tom, > > Well, indeed, when I look at the US ebay offers - I'm > ready to gnaw my fingers off. 35 USD is a great price, > but unfortunately I am located in Germany, where stuff > like this won't go for less than 50-70 euro (if I > recall it correctly). Right now there are two W&F > meters - Leader LFM-3616, Kenwood FL-180A as well as > TEAC test tapes, but I am afraid the final price will > be exorbitant (considering the age and market size). > If not - I definitely will grab one of those. > > Frequency analysis is readily available in many audio > record software packages, as well as filtering. Custom > filter design is also quite advanced in modern > software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would > concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure > if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important > since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated > signal - please correct me if I am wrong. > > cheers, Alex > > Original message: > > Alex, > I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and > Flutter meters on eBay. > I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The > most these sell for is $35. > A software program would have to adopt the three > weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, > Average, and peak values. A very powerful > tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. > Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with > the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a > rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the > low frequency limit is on the average sound card? > > tom brucker > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! 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Custom > filter design is also quite advanced in modern > software (MATLAB, LabView etc). Therefore I would > concentrate entirely on W&F measurement. I am not sure > if the 20 Hz lower audio board limit is important > since one should analyse the 3KHz frequency modulated > signal - please correct me if I am wrong. Yes, you are, and here's why... 3KHz frequency modulated by 20Hz (actually, lower) contains both frequencies, plus sum and difference products. In the measurement, the higher frequencies are filtered out and the residual being read is the lower frequency. Thus, if the measurement chain has poor low frequency response, the reading will be erroneous, on the low side. Note that the lowest wow frequency in a cassette deck is a fraction of one Hz, which is one reason why wow in a cassette deck is even more irritating to the ear than wow in a turntable (which is about 0.5Hz). -- Ron > cheers, Alex > > Original message: > > Alex, > I have found a fairly regular offers on Wow and > Flutter meters on eBay. > I purchased one to send to a NakTalker for $25. The > most these sell for is $35. > A software program would have to adopt the three > weighting curves used in the industry, as well as RMS, > Average, and peak values. A very powerful > tool would be to add the frequency analysis display. > Wow and flutter spectrum is 0.1Hz to about 30 Hz with > the W&F in specific frequencies correlating with a > rotating part, or elastic part. I wonder what the > low frequency limit is on the average sound card? > > tom brucker ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:29:00 -0600 From: Rainer & Joy-Ell Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 in Australia To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <000a01c779f2$a1fe69c0$410110ac at gateway.2wire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am bidding on a non-working ZX-9 in Austalia that appears to have white lettering on some of the EQ buttons. Is this common? Is it a special factory calibration or what? Thanks to all in the group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/d6b4ba7b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 15:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Naylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <496238.34076.qm at web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" paul, I'm 90 miles east of you. Bob paulkoo at comcast.net wrote: Welcome Willy. I remember you from your work at DB Audio in Berkeley. In fact, you may have setup my SOTA turntable. I could not affort to have both a Nak and a SOTA then but was forturnate enough to be given a CR-7A by a friend three years ago. We have a very active Bay Area Nak following. Robert Kent actually hosted a Nak Fest two years ago with a very good turnout. Maybe we can revive the Bay Area Nak group. Paul Koo -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: shanti ramachandran > Willy, > > Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. > > Thanks for coming by us. > We appreciate it more than you would imagine. > > Regards, > Ram > > Willy Hermann wrote: > Thanks Tom - > > I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent > to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I > should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that > I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have > been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and > only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco > Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi > technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country > (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the > line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual > which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I > didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete > set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping > Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it > for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. > I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of > reworking it. > > Willy Hermann > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C > > > Hi Willy, > Welcome to Naktalk. > You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several > members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. > Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have > been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to > maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). > > tom brucker > > At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:08:59 +0000 Willy, Nak Talkers need folks like you with a passion for our Machines. Thanks for coming by us. We appreciate it more than you would imagine. Regards, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: Thanks Tom - I'm now in the midst of going through the belts which have kindly been sent to me. I'll also do some W/F testing, since I have a T-100. I guess I should say at this point, after reading three days worth of NakTalk, that I'm amazed and pleased to find Nak decks still have a following. I have been out of the Nak world for a few years, as I was not a nak dealer and only took care of my original customers. I sold my business (San Francisco Stereo) last fall after 22 years of ownership. I have been a Nakamichi technician since 1977 when the first 1000 and 700 came into the country (working for the Sounding Board in Berkeley) and was a Nak dealer until the line completely fell into the dumper. (I even have a 580 owners manual which I got E[tsuro] Nakamichi to sign when the machine was current.) I didn't sell my service stuff along with the business, so I have a complete set of service manuals, test tapes and set-up jigs. I have been helping Jeff W out with some of his vintage Nak stuff and would consider doing it for others, since I have a bit of extra time on my hands at this point. I've had a 700ZXL of my own for years and am just in the process of reworking it. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OC08096C Hi Willy, Welcome to Naktalk. You have asked the "64 thousand dollar question". We have several members working on this problem. All currently available belts are not OEM. Some of these substitutes are better than others. Our mutual goals have been to find or create the parts, gauges, and alignement tapes required to maintain our Nakamichis. We also are looking for good technicians (hint). tom brucker At 05:07 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a good source for America's Favorite capstain belt? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/048328b8/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:29:30 -0700 From: "Willy Hermann" Subject: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all and thanks for the welcome. I have been doing a little belt testing with my 700ZXL and thank Tom Brucker for all his work. My measurements tracked his well, being somewhat lower because of using the 700. Again, thanks to Jeff Whittier for supplying the belts I was using. I don't have a caliper with which to measure the belts, so I'm going by careful ruler measurement (caliper on order). My original belt, with which I experienced no slipping, is slightly larger than 10" - I'm guessing it's in the 10.2" range. Like Toms measurments, I found it to be greatly better than the rest. My only reason for the post is to express concern at the use of the 9.2" belt substitute. First of all, I found it to be dreadful in both measured and audible W/F and would have a hard time returning a machine to a client using it as a replacement. My major concern is about lateral berring wear using a belt that tight. Having worked on many cassette decks as well as open reel machines and turntables, the general design philosophy seems to be that the belt be only tight enough to stay in place and not derail, but not really stretched at all. That way, rotational energy is transferred from one pulley to the other with a minimum of pressure on any of the berrings, which should reduce wow and flutter and minimize wear. I would think a belt a full inch shorter would run the risk of doing damage to the drive train. I also think the difference in speed between belts is due not to the tightness, since I didn't experience any slippage with any of the belts. I think it is due to the thickness of the belt. Effective pulley size (which, along with motor speed, determines tape speed) is the radius of the pulley plus half the thickness of the belt. Help me here, Tom, and let me know if that makes sense to you. All of this leads us to change belts only when absolutely necessary and cherish the original belts with the white marks on them. Jeff may still have another possibility and we'll keep trying. You people are dangerous! I've only been a member of the group a few days and I'm already back into being a total geek. Willy Hermann ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:51:33 EDT From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Willy, I've got a question for you - what results did you get on your 700ZXL with the second belt I sent you? It was about 10.0 inches circ, .02 thick, and .25 wide. It comes from Italy. I'm sending one to Tom this week too. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/04cb8b96/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:11:35 -0700 From: "Willy Hermann" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff - It's the best of the lot by far. It's not all that far off the mark, but speed has to be adjusted to correct for thikness, which is no big deal. Like Tom, I've always heard about "ground" belts for turntables. I wonder if the original Nak belts were ground, or at least smoothed somehow. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beating a dead belt Hi Willy, I've got a question for you - what results did you get on your 700ZXL with the second belt I sent you? It was about 10.0 inches circ, .02 thick, and .25 wide. It comes from Italy. I'm sending one to Tom this week too. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/7236dbfd/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:49:46 -0400 From: Edward Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46199BBA.5060509 at snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ESL was largely responsible for the post 2000 Nakamichi belt manufacturing (along with good ol' Patty in parts). As a result Jeff did buy many of these and we even spoke at one time about the lack of direction indicators and such with Jeff stating that he was very interested in installing some of the new belts and doing some tests. Unfortunately we never got to speak on the subject again, but I have always wondered if the new belts were not quite as good as the originals. Ed Hi Tech wrote: >I am intrigued by the 10" belt. I don't have anything that loose to try, >but the old Nak C8096 measures 10.2" . If that 10" Italian belt is >smooth, it might just work! I remember somewhere a discussion of elastic >properties. If you barely stretch something then it stretches like crazy >under load. The 9.2 belt is stretched to the max, so it vibrates >(stretches) very little logitudinally. A dip into Wikipedia on elastic >properties is in order. > Between the lines is John Nelson's assumption that ESL was buying >the 2004 Nak belt, which means their work might not meet spec? That is why >I want to test with a newer machine. Notice also that the FRX 9.2 wasn't >tested. It is very thick! > Any 0.5mm belt or thinner is a contender. > >tom > >At 12:14 PM 4/6/07 EDT, you wrote: > > >Hey Tom, > >Thanks for doing such a thorough test! > >I'm still working on getting more belts, and will send them to you when >they arrive. There are a couple of sources in Europe for belts which are >75mmx0.5x5mm or thereabouts and I haven't given up yet. However, it's >looking like Jeff Galin's belt is just simply higher-quality. From looking >at your test, I'm thinking it may not be the measurements. > >The lesson I'm getting here is, don't change your classic belt unless it's >fried! > >all the best > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >See what's free at AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070408/b215633f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:57:05 -0400 From: Edward Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Good Ole Days of Naktalk To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46199D71.40103 at snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As an old timer it wasn't really that wonderful back then. Belts were even more scarce as Nak hadn't agreed to make more. People knew less about fixing ZXL's than today with the ABLE circuit generally being considered unrepairable and several big brains conspiring on how to reverse engineer it. Ebay was around then too and people were also getting ripped off. There were plenty of bad service places (especially Torrence!) and a few good ones and if you got your deck back from Stephen (then in New Mexico) within three months, you were a very lucky person. And ESL was operating under the exact same business model then as now. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > Some Naktalk members have been waxing nostalgic for the good ole days > of Naktalk when everyone was happy and polite, etc., etc. > > That was when Nakamichi was still in business. Back then, if you > needed a part, you ordered it from Torrence or Japan. DIY'ers shared > their info happily and repairs cost $60 an hour. Those days were GREAT! > And now, long gone. > > Today's Naktalker probably logged on after getting ripped off on eBay > and is trying to repair something on a deck which the seller > maintained was in perfect condition when sent. Been there, done > that. Looking around for a repair, they discover the only people they > can find are ESL, who want more than the deck sold for originally to > do a re-build, not a repair. Don't consider that an indictment of ESL > - you get what you pay for, a better-than-new deck with a better > warranty than Nakamichi offered. But someone looking for a $200 > repair gets quoted a $900 rebuild estimate, and turns to Naktalk for > an alternative. There's a certain frustration factor built in to the > current situation, since parts for repairs are so scarce, and people > now express that frustration. > > My guess is that the polite old Naktalkers would have also gone > ballistic into orbit like Ram if they had ever been quoted a $4500 > price for a repair/rebuild. It was all very different when Nak was > still in business. Personally, I find the emotional dynamics recently > expressed on Naktalk just par-for-the-course when people are > confronted with the impossibility of maintaining their cherished decks > with no parts available outside of ESL. It makes people frustrated > and annoyed - and annoying. > > My plan is, get a lot of parts decks. And avoid the old models which > will turn into financial black holes. But that's just my plan. > > Jeff W > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Bob Naylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 22:17:38 +0000 Size: 929 Url: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070409/e7b4f0c6/attachment-0001.mht ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:00:33 -0400 From: Roland Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20070409050026.VYAV7167.eastrmmtao103.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul, forgive me if I am finding humor in your typo! At 12:07 AM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >Please see Ti Kan's web link of Nak Fest in SF Bay Area. Sorry for >using this threat as I don't know how to start a new one. > >http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/audio/sfnaks/ > >Paul > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070409/9cc914f9/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:52:17 +0200 From: "Per" Subject: Re: [naktalk] WF measurements To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <024701c77a8c$c4c1e500$b207010a at hurtignok> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi all, CLIO Win 7 offers wow & flutter analysis http://www.cliowin.com/7wow.htm Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 53 *************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 9 23:45:19 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461AAABA.4@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <157661.78237.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Fred: I think Jeff did not count the auto azimuth motor belt in addition to the cam and counter belts. Mike Marrs Communications wrote: Hello Group, What you don't understand. Jeff started this crap with me on eBay. My language is MILD to what he used on eBay. Why did your B.S. stop on eBay Jeff? Did you get a warning from eBay? And Jeff, better check you research,____ the Dragon uses 3 blets plus the idler. End of conversation. Fred http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/2007-April/035386.html --------------------------------- [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the questMarrs Communications marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 9 22:14:09 CEST 2007 Previous message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Next message: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Tom and the Group, > > I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come > to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my > product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts > won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, than > any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned > previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair > shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, and > helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than what > they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " GAME " > of proving or defending my product? The group will get some > information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him > up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so > everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive > belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to > keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is > the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The > 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a > cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it > will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the answer. > Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I know for > a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a offshore > manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the ultimate > replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, does NOT > exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to date and > compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone could "hear" > the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in making everyone > understand ! The belts you are testing are the same belts everyone > has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became unavailable, ( WITH THE > EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support E.S.L. 100%. If I had > the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this planet because I > PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. After all, when > their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it makes NO DIFFERENCE > WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the exception of E.S.L.), > because they are ALL coming from the SAME manufacturers! I started > researching all of this about a year ago and originally put the > project on hold because of this FACT. When I found "my guy", I knew I > something NEW to offer and brought the project back to life. For > now, the group will just have to settle for the " Best Available". > Coming from the manufacturing industry I understand why no one is > offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased production cost for a > "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to produce a belt with > tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", predicated on the sales > forecast of today. Even if I manage to convince "my guy" to produce > the "Original", his purchase requirements for that 1 SKU will be out > of site. I hope I am wrong about this, but if every member of Naktalk > purchased 100 belts each, we would not put a dent in what his > requirements to produce will demand. I will estimate his minimum to > produce this "ORIGINAL", will be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 > million units, in addition to die cost, which I would have to pay, IF > his original no longer exist. In closing, this small time deal I have > right now is working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF > the "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue > my involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only > stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. > Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than the > "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative about > it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. Not to > worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around and help > / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred > > Hi Tech wrote > >>Fred, >> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>manufacturers. This is very good news. >> >>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>is all about materials and construction. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> Hello to the group. >>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >> >>---------- >> >> >> >>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >> >> tom brucker >>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >>---------- >> April 7, 2007 >>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >> >> >>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>test tape >> >>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>details >> >> >>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>speed a bit slow >>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >> >>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >> >> >>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >> >> >>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >> >>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >> >> >>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >> >> >>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >> >> >>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >> >> >>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>violin tone. >> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>to the motor. >> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >> >> >>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >> >> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>measure the same but have different speed results. >> >>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >>membership personal use only. >> >>tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >>---------- >> >>* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> >>---------- >> More information about the >>Naktalk mailing list >> >><<<< >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 9 23:45:56 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:45:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Moderating In-Reply-To: <461AA56B.1080706@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com><4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com><3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net><461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> <461AA56B.1080706@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <461AB414.8060807@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I was just in the process of setting up moderation again after having released the 'emergency moderating' since things seemed to have calmed down when the next outburst happened. So the list is being moderated from now on by me and Bala (yes!) and someone else from the US timezone preferrably, so mail me offline if you're interested. Wouter Doug Locke wrote: > Well Bala looks as though you have the right idea after all!!! > I thought the postings were moderated yet this gets through? > > Doug Locke. From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 00:35:23 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:35:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES In-Reply-To: <009d01c77aa8$91bdfbf0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi, Anyone here ever compared their Naks to the Sony TCK A6ES? I would be interested to find out how the Sony compares to say the BX-300, the RX-505 (leaving aside the non-autoreverse function) and the CR-7. Cheerio! Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 06:53:18 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:53:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit In-Reply-To: <20070409204852.URTO21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com> <20070409204852.URTO21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hello Roland, Antoine, et al; Out of curiousity I checked that link and found something on the menu at the left that said Technical Library. Reading some of the pdfs was interesting in fact some of the pdfs are almost verbatim the same as handouts I got in the recording classes I took from the guys who sold me my Nakamichi 1000 and 550. I'm wondering if it is the same guy because when I looked at the rest of the websight it mentioned a pattern 77 preamp. I bought my nakamichis from Specialized Recording and Audio, which was a small company working out of this guy's basement, it was him and his girlfriend who ran this place. Traffic was hell to get there because they were located near the famous western electric plant that made vacuum tubes. The thing I remmember besides how great those classes were was how helpful the owner was. Besides the classes, I mean. I was going to buy one of his amplifiers and speakers but he referred me over to another store because he thought their amps and speakers would be a better match for what I wanted. Amazing, recommending a competitor! Boy times have changed, now competitors maul each other like all the bullcrap firestorm that started over whose replacement belt to buy! Anyway, I originally bought the nakamichi 550 and 1000 and 3 akg D190 mikes from him, then he referred me to David Beatty's to buy a turntable. He sold Dual but recommended I buy a Denon direct drive and also he sold his brand of equipment like amps and speakers but he sent me to David Beatty to buy my reel-to-reel, turntable, amp and speakers -- I got the denon, a Revox A77, the nakamichi 610 and 620 and apair of magnepan speakers. He sold nakamichi but sent me to David Beatty for the amp 610 and 620 because they sold it at a lowr price than he could! Anyway, the point of all this rambling is that after I took a few of his classes I decided to get better mikes and outboard mike preamps, so I bought 3 of their in-house modified Beyer M160 ribbon mikes, and a special 3 channel mike preamp they made just for nakamichi and revox A77 tape recorders, it was the model Tan 77AN. I bought 2 spare sets of tubes which turned out to be a good thing because I've been going to local stores to buy more spare tubes and nobody stocks 6X4, 5879 or Western Electric 396A tubes, which is what this mike preamp uses. Anyway, this websight you gave the link to, it mentioins a 77 preamp, and I wonder if this is the same as the Tan 77AN that I bought for my nakamichis. Anyone have any info on these mike preamps that were made for nakamichi cassette decks? On 4/9/07, Roland wrote: > > Antoine, thanks for the update on Kermit and his new website. I'll make a > bookmark. > > He impressed me with his knowledge. Just wondering if his disability was > starting to get the best of him or yet worse,....... > > > At 02:59 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: > > All I know is that the KVG website moved from woods-and-waters.com to > kvglabs.com, and that there's no reply from him with the old e-mail address. > I just tried contacting him from him new e-mail address at kvglabs.com. The > new site doesn't have all the technical information PDFs he had before. > > On 4/8/07, Roland < rjlbjk at cox.net> wrote: > Where's Kermit? Last I recall, he was taking a sabbatical for a project? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography From paulkoo at comcast.net Tue Apr 10 08:02:14 2007 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:02:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OC08096C Message-ID: <041020070602.9346.461B2865000ED72A000024822206824693010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> :) I swear I am not a terrorist. PK -------------- Original message -------------- From: Roland Paul, forgive me if I am finding humor in your typo! At 12:07 AM 4/9/2007, you wrote: Please see Ti Kan's web link of Nak Fest in SF Bay Area. Sorry for using this threat as I don't know how to start a new one. http://www.ibiblio.org/tkan/audio/sfnaks/ Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Roland Subject: RE: [naktalk] OC08096C Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 05:02:25 +0000 Size: 919 URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 10 10:55:36 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:55:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES Message-ID: Hi Kelvin, I have a number of decks, including Nakamichi. The TC-KA3ES/TC-KA6ES is a very competent machine and amongst the last of the superdecks from the major manufacturers. It has a market parallel with machines from some other makers such as Pioneer (CT-S740/830S) and TEAC (V6030/8030S). Recordings on the latter - a V8030S are brilliant, make no mistake. I have heard that the Sony also is top flight. Both sport Dolby S, which is a revelation. Background noise is non-existent, although it is not a especially concerning issue for me. However, when comparing these various marques, and I include Nakamichi, many of them have a particular sonic characteristic which is peculiar to the stable, whether it be Pioneer, Sony, Nakamichi etc. TEAC is pretty neutral. I happen to like these subtle nuances, which why I also like lots of different sorts of tapes. However, the TC-Ka3//6ES - that's your question - wonderful battleship of a machine - quartz-clocked double capstan drive, motors are brushless, coreless, slotless FG type, calibration is auto or fully metered manual bias, level and eq, centre mount drive with ceramic holder, isolated powers supplies (the entire chassis is split into three sections as with all top ES models, walled-off with copper shielding, three heads, rec and pb are an amorphous material, bias current runs at 160kHz - there's more of course - just can't remember. On a quiet tape - like a true natural chrome such as an eighties BASF, or a TDK SA-X and with Dolby S, hiss is not audible - dynamic range is -63.8 (SA-X) + 3.6dB (315Hz MOL) + 24dB min Dolby S = 91.4dB. Buy with confidence. Marc >>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 4/10/2007 12:35:23 AM >>> Hi, Anyone here ever compared their Naks to the Sony TCK A6ES? I would be interested to find out how the Sony compares to say the BX-300, the RX-505 (leaving aside the non-autoreverse function) and the CR-7. Cheerio! Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Apr 10 12:58:18 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:58:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The belt quest Message-ID: Fred wrote: >I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come >to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my >product from the testing process. Fred I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a bad weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can only be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest for answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other sour comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack and let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in the calmer wqters for your efforts. BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder belt for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from the local camping supplies store. In Easter peace David From joenapolillo at verizon.net Tue Apr 10 13:28:16 2007 From: joenapolillo at verizon.net (joenapolillo at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:28:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Newbe Questions Message-ID: <30906400.8221991176204496321.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, new to the list. Before I start posting I would like to know how to decompress the archives that are posted on the web site. I have downloaded the archive and tried several utilities to uncompress the file without success. Your guidance with this would be helpful. From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Apr 10 14:02:55 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:02:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES References: Message-ID: <004f01c77b68$2d4dff10$d1d117c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Hey Marc Hugo what about the Pioneer CT-S830S manual you kindly offered to send me so that I can rev mine against my NAKS? Nice to know you are still in the land of the ever rising sun in the Free State! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES > Hi Kelvin, > > I have a number of decks, including Nakamichi. The TC-KA3ES/TC-KA6ES is a > very competent machine and amongst the last of the superdecks from the > major manufacturers. It has a market parallel with machines from some > other makers such as Pioneer (CT-S740/830S) and TEAC (V6030/8030S). > Recordings on the latter - a V8030S are brilliant, make no mistake. I > have heard that the Sony also is top flight. Both sport Dolby S, which is > a revelation. Background noise is non-existent, although it is not a > especially concerning issue for me. > > However, when comparing these various marques, and I include Nakamichi, > many of them have a particular sonic characteristic which is peculiar to > the stable, whether it be Pioneer, Sony, Nakamichi etc. TEAC is pretty > neutral. I happen to like these subtle nuances, which why I also like > lots of different sorts of tapes. > > However, the TC-Ka3//6ES - that's your question - wonderful battleship of > a machine - quartz-clocked double capstan drive, motors are brushless, > coreless, slotless FG type, calibration is auto or fully metered manual > bias, level and eq, centre mount drive with ceramic holder, isolated > powers supplies (the entire chassis is split into three sections as with > all top ES models, walled-off with copper shielding, three heads, rec and > pb are an amorphous material, bias current runs at 160kHz - there's more > of course - just can't remember. > > On a quiet tape - like a true natural chrome such as an eighties BASF, or > a TDK SA-X and with Dolby S, hiss is not audible - dynamic range is -63.8 > (SA-X) + 3.6dB (315Hz MOL) + 24dB min Dolby S = 91.4dB. > > Buy with confidence. > > Marc > >>>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 4/10/2007 12:35:23 AM >>> > > > Hi, > > Anyone here ever compared their Naks to the Sony TCK A6ES? I would be > interested to find out how the Sony compares to say the BX-300, the RX-505 > (leaving aside the non-autoreverse function) and the CR-7. Cheerio! > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. > https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or > more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use > of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, > disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in > reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by > replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your > computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are > present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or > damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 10 15:10:09 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:10:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit In-Reply-To: References: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com> <20070409204852.URTO21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <461B8CB1.40302@yahoo.ca> Jerry McPhail a écrit : > Hello Roland, Antoine, et al; > > Out of curiousity I checked that link and found something on the menu > at the left that said Technical Library. Oh great! It's back. Nice! > Reading some of the pdfs was > interesting in fact some of the pdfs are almost verbatim the same as > handouts I got in the recording classes I took from the guys who sold > me my Nakamichi 1000 and 550. I'm wondering if it is the same guy > because when I looked at the rest of the websight it mentioned a > pattern 77 preamp. I bought my nakamichis from Specialized Recording > and Audio, which was a small company working out of this guy's > basement, it was him and his girlfriend who ran this place. Traffic > was hell to get there because they were located near the famous > western electric plant that made vacuum tubes. You're most likely talking about Kermit there! He told me he visited Western Electric often when he was young because he lived near them. > The thing I remmember > besides how great those classes were was how helpful the owner was. > Besides the classes, I mean. I was going to buy one of his amplifiers > and speakers but he referred me over to another store because he > thought their amps and speakers would be a better match for what I > wanted. Amazing, recommending a competitor! He still does! I was looking for a cheap phono cartridge. He recommended me a Grado even though he sells custom Shure V15 needles. > Boy times have changed, > now competitors maul each other like all the bullcrap firestorm that > started over whose replacement belt to buy! Anyway, I originally > bought the nakamichi 550 and 1000 and 3 akg D190 mikes from him, then > he referred me to David Beatty's to buy a turntable. He sold Dual but > recommended I buy a Denon direct drive and also he sold his brand of > equipment like amps and speakers but he sent me to David Beatty to buy > my reel-to-reel, turntable, amp and speakers -- I got the denon, a > Revox A77, the nakamichi 610 and 620 and apair of magnepan speakers. > He sold nakamichi but sent me to David Beatty for the amp 610 and 620 > because they sold it at a lowr price than he could! Anyway, the point > of all this rambling is that after I took a few of his classes I > decided to get better mikes and outboard mike preamps, so I bought 3 > of their in-house modified Beyer M160 ribbon mikes, and a special 3 > channel mike preamp they made just for nakamichi and revox A77 tape > recorders, it was the model Tan 77AN. I bought 2 spare sets of tubes > which turned out to be a good thing because I've been going to local > stores to buy more spare tubes and nobody stocks 6X4, 5879 or Western > Electric 396A tubes, which is what this mike preamp uses. Anyway, this > websight you gave the link to, it mentioins a 77 preamp, and I wonder > if this is the same as the Tan 77AN that I bought for my nakamichis. > Anyone have any info on these mike preamps that were made for > nakamichi cassette decks? As I know him, everything he builds is custom made for the client and he will not make the same thing more than a few times, so only him would know. Don't try to understand his circuits either, there's probably a lot of never-publicly-released WE "ways of wiring things" in there(He had access to it). > On 4/9/07, Roland wrote: >> Antoine, thanks for the update on Kermit and his new website. I'll >> make a >> bookmark. >> >> He impressed me with his knowledge. Just wondering if his >> disability was >> starting to get the best of him or yet worse,....... >> >> >> At 02:59 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote: >> >> All I know is that the KVG website moved from woods-and-waters.com to >> kvglabs.com, and that there's no reply from him with the old e-mail >> address. >> I just tried contacting him from him new e-mail address at >> kvglabs.com. The >> new site doesn't have all the technical information PDFs he had before. >> >> On 4/8/07, Roland < rjlbjk at cox.net> wrote: >> Where's Kermit? Last I recall, he was taking a sabbatical for a >> project? >> >> > > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 10 15:22:18 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:22:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> References: <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <4617921E.30401@marrscommunications.com> <3.0.3.32.20070407132556.00885300@earthlink.net> <461A9600.9040802@marrscommunications.com> <461A9E91.9050102@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <461B8F8A.1050301@snet.net> Please, take these juvenile playground antics elsewhere - we were better off without either of these polar views as I'm not sure that either of you have really brought anything of value to the mix. As for me, it's time to unsubscribe. It's been wonderful taking part in this forum until recently. Thanks to all who made a difference. Ed Marrs Communications wrote: > YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO > OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Tom and the Group, >> >> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have >> come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw >> my product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts >> won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, >> than any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned >> previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair >> shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, >> and helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than >> what they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " >> GAME " of proving or defending my product? The group will get some >> information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him >> up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so >> everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive >> belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to >> keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is >> the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The >> 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a >> cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it >> will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the >> answer. Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I >> know for a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a >> offshore manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the >> ultimate replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, >> does NOT exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to >> date and compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone >> could "hear" the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in >> making everyone understand ! The belts you are testing are the same >> belts everyone has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became >> unavailable, ( WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support >> E.S.L. 100%. If I had the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this >> planet because I PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. >> After all, when their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it >> makes NO DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the >> exception of E.S.L.), because they are ALL coming from the SAME >> manufacturers! I started researching all of this about a year ago and >> originally put the project on hold because of this FACT. When I >> found "my guy", I knew I something NEW to offer and brought the >> project back to life. For now, the group will just have to settle >> for the " Best Available". Coming from the manufacturing industry I >> understand why no one is offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased >> production cost for a "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to >> produce a belt with tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", >> predicated on the sales forecast of today. Even if I manage to >> convince "my guy" to produce the "Original", his purchase >> requirements for that 1 SKU will be out of site. I hope I am wrong >> about this, but if every member of Naktalk purchased 100 belts each, >> we would not put a dent in what his requirements to produce will >> demand. I will estimate his minimum to produce this "ORIGINAL", will >> be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 million units, in addition to >> die cost, which I would have to pay, IF his original no longer >> exist. In closing, this small time deal I have right now is >> working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF the >> "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue my >> involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only >> stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. >> Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than >> the "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative >> about it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. >> Not to worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around >> and help / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred >> >> Hi Tech wrote >> >>>Fred, >>> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>>manufacturers. This is very good news. >>> >>>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>>is all about materials and construction. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello to the group. >>>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >>> >>>---------- >>> >>> >>> >>>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>> >>> tom brucker >>>>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >>> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> April 7, 2007 >>>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >>> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >>> >>> >>>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>>test tape >>> >>>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>>details >>> >>> >>>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>>speed a bit slow >>>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >>> >>>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >>> >>> >>>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >>> >>>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >>> >>> >>>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >>> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >>> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>>violin tone. >>> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>>to the motor. >>> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >>> >>> >>>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >>> >>> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>>measure the same but have different speed results. >>> >>>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>>or repeating in a less worn deck. 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 10 16:14:23 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:14:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Message-ID: No, Ed, Please hang in there, you are one of the founders!! Give Wouter a chance - a couple of days to set everything up, and then I am certain it will be fine. Marrs Communications is new to the scene - you are not, and your wealth of experience is very much needed. Take care - Marc >>> enoyes at snet.net 4/10/2007 3:22:18 PM >>> Please, take these juvenile playground antics elsewhere - we were better off without either of these polar views as I'm not sure that either of you have really brought anything of value to the mix. As for me, it's time to unsubscribe. It's been wonderful taking part in this forum until recently. Thanks to all who made a difference. Ed Marrs Communications wrote: > YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO > OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Tom and the Group, >> >> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have >> come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw >> my product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts >> won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, >> than any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned >> previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair >> shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, >> and helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than >> what they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " >> GAME " of proving or defending my product? The group will get some >> information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him >> up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so >> everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive >> belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to >> keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is >> the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The >> 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a >> cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it >> will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the >> answer. Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I >> know for a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a >> offshore manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the >> ultimate replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, >> does NOT exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to >> date and compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone >> could "hear" the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in >> making everyone understand ! The belts you are testing are the same >> belts everyone has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became >> unavailable, ( WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support >> E.S.L. 100%. If I had the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this >> planet because I PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. >> After all, when their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it >> makes NO DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the >> exception of E.S.L.), because they are ALL coming from the SAME >> manufacturers! I started researching all of this about a year ago and >> originally put the project on hold because of this FACT. When I >> found "my guy", I knew I something NEW to offer and brought the >> project back to life. For now, the group will just have to settle >> for the " Best Available". Coming from the manufacturing industry I >> understand why no one is offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased >> production cost for a "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to >> produce a belt with tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", >> predicated on the sales forecast of today. Even if I manage to >> convince "my guy" to produce the "Original", his purchase >> requirements for that 1 SKU will be out of site. I hope I am wrong >> about this, but if every member of Naktalk purchased 100 belts each, >> we would not put a dent in what his requirements to produce will >> demand. I will estimate his minimum to produce this "ORIGINAL", will >> be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 million units, in addition to >> die cost, which I would have to pay, IF his original no longer >> exist. In closing, this small time deal I have right now is >> working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF the >> "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue my >> involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only >> stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. >> Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than >> the "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative >> about it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. >> Not to worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around >> and help / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred >> >> Hi Tech wrote >> >>>Fred, >>> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>>manufacturers. This is very good news. >>> >>>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>>is all about materials and construction. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello to the group. >>>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >>> >>>---------- >>> >>> >>> >>>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>> >>> tom brucker >>>>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >>> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> April 7, 2007 >>>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >>> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >>> >>> >>>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>>test tape >>> >>>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>>details >>> >>> >>>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>>speed a bit slow >>>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >>> >>>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >>> >>> >>>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >>> >>>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >>> >>> >>>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >>> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >>> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>>violin tone. >>> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>>to the motor. >>> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >>> >>> >>>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >>> >>> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>>measure the same but have different speed results. >>> >>>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>>or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >>>membership personal use only. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>>---------- >>> >>>* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> More information about the >>>Naktalk mailing list >>> >>><<<< >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 17:28:29 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <387715.12416.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, Bala et al, Quitting when a storm brews is not what one should do. That makes us a quitter and tells the bad ones that we cant sustain hostility. Ed, Bala etc...you are the ones that made Naktalk so interesting. Trust me, we can purge the foul languaged nasty ones automatically by not responding to their posts and by screening as Wouter has agreed to. Moderation is the way to weed out unwanted posts and personal insults. We are here for talking about our beloved Naks....and help on these beauties. Thanks Wouter for listening to us to moderate the posts. Ram Marc Hugo wrote: No, Ed, Please hang in there, you are one of the founders!! Give Wouter a chance - a couple of days to set everything up, and then I am certain it will be fine. Marrs Communications is new to the scene - you are not, and your wealth of experience is very much needed. Take care - Marc >>> enoyes at snet.net 4/10/2007 3:22:18 PM >>> Please, take these juvenile playground antics elsewhere - we were better off without either of these polar views as I'm not sure that either of you have really brought anything of value to the mix. As for me, it's time to unsubscribe. It's been wonderful taking part in this forum until recently. Thanks to all who made a difference. Ed Marrs Communications wrote: > YOU KNOW WHAT JEFF? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO > OFFER AND_____MY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A PRICK !!!! > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Tom and the Group, >> >> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have >> come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw >> my product from the testing process. NO, I am not concerned my belts >> won't make the grade, Jeff W. I KNOW they are as good or better, >> than any replacement available today. Something I have not mentioned >> previously, I am also currently selling my belt kits to 7 repair >> shops, and the list continues to grow which is great for feedback, >> and helps to make freight. ALL of them tell me, they are better than >> what they have been using the past few years. So why continue this " >> GAME " of proving or defending my product? The group will get some >> information about my 8096C substitution from Willy. Jeff W. put him >> up to purchasing a set of my belts for his 700ZXL, and just so >> everyone knows before this fact is exploited, I sent him the drive >> belt for a 1000, which is incorrect for the 700ZXL. I told Willy to >> keep the 1000 belt and sent him 2 additional belts at NO CHARGE. 1 is >> the current belt being sold in my kit, which I KNOW works great. The >> 2nd is for him to try. It has a wider face but in my opinion, has a >> cross section which will prevent it from being a contender because it >> will probably NOT spec out. It will be interesting to find the >> answer. Back to the point, the reason I made this decision ? Tom, I >> know for a fact, unless someone in the group gets lucky and finds a >> offshore manufacturer, CURRENTLY producing the "ORIGINAL", OR the >> ultimate replacement that spec's out as well as the "ORIGINAL" 8096C, >> does NOT exist on this planet. Take the best you have measured to >> date and compare it to a genuine "ORIGINAL", and I doubt anyone >> could "hear" the difference. One thing I have been unsuccessful in >> making everyone understand ! The belts you are testing are the same >> belts everyone has been using since the "ORIGINAL" became >> unavailable, ( WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E.S.L. ). By the way, I support >> E.S.L. 100%. If I had the only "ORIGINALS" and parts, left on this >> planet because I PURCHASE THEM, I would also be taking his approach. >> After all, when their gone, their gone. So, as of right now, it >> makes NO DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU PURCHASE YOUR BELTS!, (again with the >> exception of E.S.L.), because they are ALL coming from the SAME >> manufacturers! I started researching all of this about a year ago and >> originally put the project on hold because of this FACT. When I >> found "my guy", I knew I something NEW to offer and brought the >> project back to life. For now, the group will just have to settle >> for the " Best Available". Coming from the manufacturing industry I >> understand why no one is offering the "ORIGINAL". Due to increased >> production cost for a "ORIGINAL", it simply is not cost effective to >> produce a belt with tolerances as tight as the "ORIGINAL", >> predicated on the sales forecast of today. Even if I manage to >> convince "my guy" to produce the "Original", his purchase >> requirements for that 1 SKU will be out of site. I hope I am wrong >> about this, but if every member of Naktalk purchased 100 belts each, >> we would not put a dent in what his requirements to produce will >> demand. I will estimate his minimum to produce this "ORIGINAL", will >> be in the neighborhood of 500,000 to 1 million units, in addition to >> die cost, which I would have to pay, IF his original no longer >> exist. In closing, this small time deal I have right now is >> working, the product I am supplying is working, an IF the >> "ORIGINAL" thing works out, it could be a home run. If I continue my >> involvement with finding the ultimate 8096C replacement, I only >> stand to LOSE on the publicity side of this deal because of Jeff W. >> Right now, if I were to supply a belt that spec'ed out BETTER than >> the "ORIGINAL" he and his supporters would find something negative >> about it or my price. I just have NO interest in playing this GAME. >> Not to worry, I have very thick skin and will continue to be around >> and help / advise anyway I can. My best to all, Fred >> >> Hi Tech wrote >> >>>Fred, >>> Yes. We are all interested. If you send several belts label them with >>>something that would make a good name. We can't have 3 "fred belts". You >>>may have done exactly what is needed, finding an OEM belt supplier to the >>>manufacturers. This is very good news. >>> >>>I found my spirit dampened a bit after the testing. I sincerely hope we can >>>find a good belt! I periodically reinstalled and retested both the worn and >>>new C8096C belts during testing, hoping something in my methodology might >>>have made the poor results, but found no such variation. I want to throw up >>>my hands and claim the original belt is magical, but I know it is not. This >>>is all about materials and construction. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 08:33 AM 4/7/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello to the group. >>>Tom, we briefly discussed the possibility of me sending some samples for >>>testing but it got lost in the "heat of passion". If you are still >>>interested, I have 3-4 belts ( 8096C ) subs, I would like to send you for >>>testing. I have another one that looks promising but I will not receive it >>>for about 3, possibly 4 weeks. ( My turnaround on order delivery). One of >>>the samples I am sending is the belt (8096C) sub, I am currently selling. I >>>do have a SKU that is 10.1, but I ruled it out because of length. Also, I >>>am in negotiations with my source about a IDENTICAL 8096C. I did manage to >>>discover they once manufactured the exact 8096C, but discontinued it >>>several years ago. One commit they made was the production cost was higher >>>on that SKU due to tolerance, and at THAT time sales did not warrant the >>>cost of continued production. They are going to research their sales >>>history with that SKU and consider manufacturing it again, IF it makes >>>sense. Let me know if you still want to mess with the belts I currently >>>have. It's good to see calm waters group! Fred >>> >>>---------- >>> >>> >>> >>>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>> >>> tom brucker >>>>>>0%232.0%20in%20the%20quest&In-Reply-To=>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> Fri Apr 6 17:54:10 CEST 2007 >>> * Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> April 7, 2007 >>>Thanks to Jeff Whittier sending some replacements for the classic capstan >>>C8096C belt, I spent the afternoon measuring the various belts I have on hand. >>> Thanks to John Nelson for a Nakamichi OEM belt >>> >>> >>>The deck used was a parts donor deck, also sent by Jeff, that needed a >>>pinch roller guide de-gunking. This deck was really frozen. It came with an >>>original Nakamichi belt. Original Nakamichi belts have a white mark on the >>>inside, and an arrow indicating direction on the outside. This belt slipped >>>badly that I, as a technician, would replace it. >>>All measurements are wow+flutter RMS Nakamichi T-100 analyzer, Sony WS48B >>>test tape >>> >>>BELT UNDER TEST MEASURED % Subjective Observ. Relative Speed >>>details >>> >>> >>>Worn Nakamichi belt: 0.07-0.11 weighted (wtd) large swings tape >>>speed a bit slow >>>10.2" stretched 0.13-0.16 un wtd. fairly small swings >>> >>>New Nak C8096C belt: 0.08-0.10 wtd fairly steady tape speed nominal >>>9.2" thin 0.13-0.15 un wtd " " >>> >>> >>>Jeff's belt 0.16-0.19 wtd fairly steady speed very slow >>>9.2" thicker 0.22-0.24 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>FBS 9.4 common generic 0.18- ?? wtd large swings speed slow >>>9.4" very narrow 0.24- ?? un wtd " " >>> >>>42-2000 from MCM 0.16-0.22 wtd medium swings speed fast >>>9.4" rough surface 0.20-0.22 un wtd very steady >>> >>> >>>42-545 from MCM 0.13-0.16 wtd fairly steady speed fast >>>9.7" 0.19-0.22 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>FRY 9.2 from PRB 0.29-0.33 wtd fairly steady speed perfect >>>Russell Industries 0.33-0.36 unwtd " " >>> >>> >>>Nakamichi C8096C 0.11-0.20 wtd large swings speed slow >>>purch. 2004, no marks 0.16-0.20 unwtd medium swings >>> >>> >>>Here are some preliminary thoughts: >>>This test is a real world test, with a used deck. It represents what most >>>of our 20 year old Naks might reproduce after a belt replacement. Note that >>>new 480 specification is 0.06 wtd and 0.12 unwtd, specs that no belt met. >>> The first observation is that it is wise to keep the original belt as >>>long as possible! My second observation is that the belt Nakamichi >>>supplied in 2004 is not a good as the original C8096C with the white marks. >>>The 2004 belt is better than all the generics I tested. >>> I added a subjective line about the variations in my readings. >>>Small steady readings are better than large swings. Large swings indicate >>>Wow, and are probably caused by belt slippage. Small differences between >>>witghted and unweighted measurements are desireable. Large differences >>>indicate higher frequency flutter that can change the timbre of piano or >>>violin tone. >>> Speed differences correlate with the belt's tightness. While speed can >>>be adjusted for any new belt, the slower belts apply more bearing pressure >>>to the motor. >>> The FRW 9.2 and MCM 42-2000 belts have a rough surface, unlike the other >>>belts. Smooth belts measure better. >>> >>> >>>Those of you who have read my opinions of measurements would want me to >>>comment on the sound of these different belts. I'd like to do that, but >>>I'll have to find time! Missing, perhaps, from this survey are the ESL >>>belts, and some belts from WES in Australia. While there is a possibility >>>that the ESL belt is the same as the 2004 Nakamichi C8096C belt, I refuse >>>to speculate. The WES belts are being ordered in a few days. The other >>>question that arises is this: is it possible that Nakamichi added a special >>>manufacturing step in the original white mark C80986C belt? I have hear >>>of "precision ground" turntable belts, which seem to have rough surfaces. >>>The Nakamichi design seems to rely on a tightly stretched weaker belt that >>>perhaps had lower wow, because the flywheel and pulley did not slip, low >>>flutter from a smooth surface, and low W+F because the elastic stretch was >>>closer to the material's maximum, and low load on the capstan motor bearings. >>> >>> I will make further caliper size measurements of these belts, and will >>>add measurements of any belts sent this way. What makes sense is to >>>compare the original C8096C sound to the MCM 42-545 or Jeff's belt, as they >>>measure the same but have different speed results. >>> >>>Please, do not use this information to promote one belt over another just >>>yet. It is in no way a conclusive test, and would be worthwhile verifying, >>>or repeating in a less worn deck. The information is intended for NakTalk >>>membership personal use only. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>>---------- >>> >>>* Previous message: <035307.html>[naktalk] Re: Whats your opinion? >>>* Next message: <035332.html>[naktalk] Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest >>>* Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ >>>thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >>> >>>---------- >>> More information about the >>>Naktalk mailing list >>> >>><<<< >>> >>> >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 17:25:21 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:25:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The belt quest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070410102521.0089b9c0@earthlink.net> David, Thanks! BTW, there is a 550 strap on eBay, but it looks like a threadded boss is broken off. Can anyone enlarge the picture and comment? I am fully aware that belt and idler sellers have money, and I hope, profits at stake in any "testing". I am sincerely trying to test and post in the best way, and to avoid posting "expert" endorsements or poor test results that might cause the type of fighting we are witnessing. I anticipated some level of animosity and I am sorry to see it. Let's see if we can get back on track, to the benefit of all Nakamichi owners. I daresay NakTalk is a tiny percentage of the potential belt market. When anyone opts to market their products through internet sales, they must accept that the internet will also be the clearing house for evaluations, good and bad, or their product, their customer service, and their consistency. I will be sensitive to these issues as I have absolutely no interest in belt sales. Feel free to call if you want to discuss any concerns. Can we agree to trust and respect each other and keep NakTalk "green". Bala's point was that we would all benefit by using the same respect due our own fathers. tom brucker >Fred wrote: >>I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come >>to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my >>product from the testing process. > >Fred > >I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a bad >weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can only >be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me >and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest for >answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other sour >comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack and >let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all >benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in the >calmer wqters for your efforts. > >BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder belt >for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from the >local camping supplies store. > >In Easter peace > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 18:17:58 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:17:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More on 550 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070410111758.007eda20@earthlink.net> The tape alarm is a funny toy. What it does is allow a recordist to set up a light to blink warning when the tape is near the end. It integrates the auto stop pulses, so if the auto stop doesn't work, there may be an electronic problem common to both. I would replace all the blue tantalum caps on the counter board with miniature electrolytics. I have a used 600 head, if you want to "hot rod" your 550. For an exact match you will need a 350 or 500 parts machine. IIRC the guide is not welded to this head, allowing it to be relapped. tom brucker At 11:41 PM 4/9/07 +1000, you wrote: >Wow! The non-working ZX9 on ebay Australia sold for $546.66 to a buyer in >Russia. > >I need a little more help with my 550. The tape alarm light now flashes on >during play and record, and the auto shut off is not working. I checked the >position of the reed switch and it seems OK. My guess is it is a transistor, >cap or diode but unfortunately I don't know enough about how circuits work. > >Also does anyone know a source of a new or used record/play head for a 550? > >Thanks > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 10 18:24:37 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:24:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070402101158.00882690@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070403094950.00881aa0@earthlink.net> <4612AD96.4010300@yahoo.ca> <3.0.3.32.20070404123825.0088ca70@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070405092923.00882740@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <461BBA45.9040906@yahoo.ca> Hi Tom, About the silver deck, the clutch is completely loose on the silver deck. I'm not sure if it was like this before I applied silicon with a cotton swab. Would it be a good idea to get a new idler arm or to spray my principally ethanol based contact cleaner in it? Now, about the black one. I brought it at the same home as the silver one, so I can compare them now. 1. I can confirm it, there's no clutch with gear drive. 2. Now I understand what was the tension spring you were talking about : It's the one attached to the pinch roller. That's also the one that I told I attached to the 2nd hole on the pinch roller. When it's in the other hole, the heads and pinch roller are loose, but it provides more tension on playback, and therefore, the tapes aren't tossed on the side and damaged. When it's on the hole it's supposed to be, the heads go in stop position even when the transport is upside-down. Hi Tech a écrit : > Antione, > OOO now we have something. Beneath the brass motor pulley is a clutch that > produces a force that pushes the idler towards the reel table. This clutch > is the felt type, and is impossibly small. I'll bet your silicone has made > the felt slippery, and there is not enough force to keep the idler in > contact with the reel. This clutch is very difficult to service. Are > there any DIY suggestions for removing silicone? > > tom brucker > > At 07:45 PM 4/4/07 -0700, you wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > I'll look for it, but I'm not going to see my black BX-2 until Thursday of > next week. > > OK, for the torque, I never saw how to change it on the BX-2. I know that > my idler is far from sticky though, since I sprayed silicone lubrificant on > it recently. It's going worse than before because it's just too slippy. > > On 4/4/07, Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> > wrote: > Antione, > On the black BX2, remove the cassette cover plate as if you were changing > the idler tire. It is easy to see the spring below the pinch roller. > Can anyone comment on the gear drive take up.....is there a clutch in the > take up spindle, or does the motor torque setting provide the only slip? > > Take up has to get better. There are directions on several sites for > adjusting reel motor torque. If the tire is the problem, then try Dean's > tire. We have seen a few sticky idlers. Disassemble carefully and clean. > These are difficult to change if you break the plastic. > > tom brucker > > At 03:40 PM 4/3/07 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi Tech a écrit : >> >>> Antione, >>> The black BX2 has severe tape travel problems. While a worn pinch >>> roller might be responsible, my guess is that it would look VERY worn >>> before causing severe problems. >>> >>> >> It even looks pretty recent. >> >>> Do #1 before #2. >>> #2Your take up torque might be too high. Since you do not have a torque >>> cassette, find a good working deck and stall the take up reel in play mode >>> to "calibrate" your fingers. Compare a good deck to the black BX2, and >>> adjust until they feel the same. >>> >> I would have never thought that this could be a cause of this problem, >> but I know that the drive motor is pulling tapes extremely hard. One of >> my cassette's tape was even pulled out of one of the spools sfter >> finishing to rewind it. >> >>> If the tape still curls, try exchanging >>> the pinch roller with the silver deck. I can send a used pinch from Jeff's >>> donated parts units. #1 The head base ought not to behave the way you >>> describe. Check the coil spring beneath the pinch roller, beneath the >>> cassette cover plate. Is it detached? >>> >> The pinch roller's tension spring or something else? >> >>> The head base has a pin that rides on >>> the mode cam, and this spring provides both pinch roller pressure and head >>> base holding. >>> >>> >> I tried to see what you mean by looking at the silver BX-2's transport >> and I can't see it. It seems hidden well. >> >>> The silver BX 2 just needs a pinch roller. >>> >>> >> Well, I'm not sure it's a pinch roller problem, the tape gets pulled >> only by the capstan sometimes, and it goes out of the cassette, because >> the take up spool isn't fast enough. The idler slides on the hub wheels >> and squeaks just like loose belts on a car engine(It's almost inaudible >> though). >> >>> HTH >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 04:10 PM 4/2/07 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> Some problems have been posted a few times, I got solutions sometimes, >>>> sometimes it was just too strange to be solved. >>>> >>>> I have a black and a silver BX-2, I'll just call them the silver one and >>>> the black one. I need help with the problems with an arrow next to them. >>>> >>>> 1ST deck >>>> >>>> A few details about the black BX-2 first : Bought serviced, it has gear >>>> drive, a modified circuit(there are silver caps bypassing a few >>>> electrolytics), and the Dolby chips are in IC sockets. >>>> >>>> Now, the fixes I brought already : >>>> 1. I had mode change problems, it turned out that the cam motor needed >>>> burnishing, that's done. >>>> 2. Sometimes, the drive motor would stop and only the capstan would pull >>>> the tape, pulling it out of the cassette shell. It turned out that the >>>> drive motor needed burnishing, that's done, and there's plenty of torque >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Problems with the black BX-2 : >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> 1. The transport wires are not offering good contact ; I move them a bit >>>> and sometimes the capstan motor or the cam motor just stop. I know how >>>> to fix this one, it's just a little painful. >>>> >>>> ---> 2. When listening to tapes just recorded, I notice lots of >>>> dropouts, the volume is inconsistent as well. It's probably orange caps >>>> >>>> >>> >from what I've been told. Which ones, I don't know though, I don't >>> >>> >>>> always have fun observing a PCB to find out the schematic, and I don't >>>> know how a cassette deck record amp works anyways. >>>> >>>> ---> 3. Here's the problem that I need help for : When playing back or >>>> recording a cassette with the pinch roller at the default tension(The >>>> spring is attached with Lock-Tite in that position), it pushes the tape >>>> on the side, as if the pinch roller surface and the capstan were not >>>> parallel to each others. With thin tapes, like BASF Ferro Extra ones for >>>> example, I hear the tape being scrunched. The tape goes more and more on >>>> the side, and then, it turns back in it's initial position repeatedly. >>>> The same thing happens with every tapes, but they don't all get damaged. >>>> The only effect is that the left channel sounds more and more muffled, >>>> and then, it returns to normal again. I found a cheapo solution, which >>>> is to attach the not-supposed-to-be-adjusted pinch roller tension spring >>>> in the hole next to the one it attaches itself normally(this hole is >>>> there for higher-end decks I think). Could the pinch roller be damaged? >>>> Could the capstan bearing be worn? Could the head's azimuth be so far >>>> that it's not placed right? I'm not sure. >>>> >>>> ---> 4. An other intriguing problem is that the heads and pinch roller >>>> go back in stop position only by the force of gravity. If I hold the >>>> transport upside-down, the heads go in play or pause position just by >>>> being pulled down. My silver BX-2 doesn't act like this. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2ND deck >>>> >>>> A few details about this one : Not bought serviced, idler drive, stock >>>> circuit, probable 3rd-party pinch roller - the rubber is put around what >>>> seems like a nylon wheel. Kermit told me that the real pinch roller is >>>> completely black, just like my black BX-2. Stock circuit. >>>> >>>> Problems with the silver BX-2 : >>>> ----------------------------------- >>>> 1. No torque. I'm stupid, I just figured it's an idler problem. I should >>>> try to put a little silicon lube maybe, to see if things improve. >>>> >>>> 2. Does not sound as good as the black BX-2, needs alignment I guess. >>>> >>>> ---> 3. Is the pinch roller hurting the deck's performance? The rubber >>>> is extremely hard on this one. I don't want to buy an idler now, because >>>> I don't feel like paying shipping twice. >>>> >>>> >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 10 18:28:39 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:28:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <461B8F8A.1050301@snet.net> Message-ID: <000701c77b8d$4cf888b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ed, Wouter has already said that he will be modrating this forum for a while, until things have calmed down. Why don't you watch for a while and then re assess the situation. Don't let the vociferous minority win again. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 10 April 2007 14:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Please, take these juvenile playground antics elsewhere - we were better off without either of these polar views as I'm not sure that either of you have really brought anything of value to the mix. As for me, it's time to unsubscribe. It's been wonderful taking part in this forum until recently. Thanks to all who made a difference. Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Tue Apr 10 18:53:03 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:53:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: <200704101000.l3AA06P4019291@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704101000.l3AA06P4019291@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Jerry, The TAN-77 amp was indeed a Kermit product. It stands for "The Amplification Nation". I don't know what happened to Kermit, he stopped answering email and phone messages a while ago and I never heard anything. Hope he's okay. cheers, Fred (in Portland) On Apr 10, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > > > Hello Roland, Antoine, et al; > > Out of curiousity I checked that link and found something on the menu > at the left that said Technical Library. Reading some of the pdfs was > interesting in fact some of the pdfs are almost verbatim the same as > handouts I got in the recording classes I took from the guys who sold > me my Nakamichi 1000 and 550. I'm wondering if it is the same guy > because when I looked at the rest of the websight it mentioned a > pattern 77 preamp. I bought my nakamichis from Specialized Recording > and Audio, which was a small company working out of this guy's > basement, it was him and his girlfriend who ran this place. Traffic > was hell to get there because they were located near the famous > western electric plant that made vacuum tubes. The thing I remmember > besides how great those classes were was how helpful the owner was. > Besides the classes, I mean. I was going to buy one of his amplifiers > and speakers but he referred me over to another store because he > thought their amps and speakers would be a better match for what I > wanted. Amazing, recommending a competitor! Boy times have changed, > now competitors maul each other like all the bullcrap firestorm that > started over whose replacement belt to buy! Anyway, I originally > bought the nakamichi 550 and 1000 and 3 akg D190 mikes from him, then > he referred me to David Beatty's to buy a turntable. He sold Dual but > recommended I buy a Denon direct drive and also he sold his brand of > equipment like amps and speakers but he sent me to David Beatty to buy > my reel-to-reel, turntable, amp and speakers -- I got the denon, a > Revox A77, the nakamichi 610 and 620 and apair of magnepan speakers. > He sold nakamichi but sent me to David Beatty for the amp 610 and 620 > because they sold it at a lowr price than he could! Anyway, the point > of all this rambling is that after I took a few of his classes I > decided to get better mikes and outboard mike preamps, so I bought 3 > of their in-house modified Beyer M160 ribbon mikes, and a special 3 > channel mike preamp they made just for nakamichi and revox A77 tape > recorders, it was the model Tan 77AN. I bought 2 spare sets of tubes > which turned out to be a good thing because I've been going to local > stores to buy more spare tubes and nobody stocks 6X4, 5879 or Western > Electric 396A tubes, which is what this mike preamp uses. Anyway, this > websight you gave the link to, it mentioins a 77 preamp, and I wonder > if this is the same as the Tan 77AN that I bought for my nakamichis. > Anyone have any info on these mike preamps that were made for > nakamichi cassette decks? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 19:02:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest In-Reply-To: <000701c77b8d$4cf888b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <890709.29426.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ditto that! Ram Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message Ed, Wouter has already said that he will be modrating this forum for a while, until things have calmed down. Why don't you watch for a while and then re assess the situation. Don't let the vociferous minority win again. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: 10 April 2007 14:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Belt measurements- #2.0 in the quest Please, take these juvenile playground antics elsewhere - we were better off without either of these polar views as I'm not sure that either of you have really brought anything of value to the mix. As for me, it's time to unsubscribe. It's been wonderful taking part in this forum until recently. Thanks to all who made a difference. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 10 19:13:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:13:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070408133327.044d0a18@paradise.net.nz> References: <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070407183200.04f3ed78@paradise.net.nz> <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070410121328.0088dc50@earthlink.net> If you have the skills to measure, IC606 pin 33 is reset. It should go H after power-on. Pins 5,6,and 7 are the counter button inputs. If any of these are low, it will lock up the counter. tom brucker At 01:36 PM 4/8/07 +1200, you wrote: >Hi Tom >Thank you for this. > >I've checked the button and it doesn't seem to be stuck. I've tried >holding it down and holding it with a combination of other buttons >but no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that when I hold >the button the 88:88 does dim very very slightly. > >Could there be another way of resetting this button? > >Brett > >At 06:42 a.m. 8/04/2007, you wrote: > >>Brett, >> I have not encountered :)) that problem. I suspect the counter mode >>button may be stuck. 88:88 is all segments lit, a common electronic >>counter display after reset. I'll bet the counter reset is a computer reset >>that goes from 88:88 to 00:00 when the button is released. >> >>tom brucker >> >>At 06:33 PM 4/7/07 +1200, you wrote: >> >I sent this message while the list was busy "discussing" other >> >matters. Can anyone help here? >> >*************************************************************************** >>**************** >> >I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. >> >The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only >> >shows 88:88. >> > >> >Any suggestions? >> > >> >Thanks in advance >> > >> >Brett >> > >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Apr 10 22:22:13 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:22:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Belts Message-ID: <461BF1F5.1010003@caribsurf.com> Tom, I have an MCM 42-1990 9x.21x.031 "rubber" belt which I am told works on the BX300. I was a little surprised at the tension which seems more consistent with neoprene that rubber. Altho' MCM advertises them on their website as Rubber, the plastic envelope it comes in describes it as a Flat Belt (no rubber is mentioned). I have checked its length and it is 9.0 and the width does look like it could be 0.21... Regards Paul C From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Tue Apr 10 22:59:34 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:59:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem Message-ID: I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with no sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume control to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music being played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same result. This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? Thanks boogie _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 10 23:33:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:33:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Have you tried cleaning the PB head? The belt is an unlikely suspect. -- Ron boogie man wrote: > I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the > following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: > > After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with > no sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume > control to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music > being played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same > result. > > This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock > and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt > problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I > would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? > > Thanks > boogie From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 23:54:35 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem In-Reply-To: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <599828.5066.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This could be due to Stop button light ! Similar to 582. If the light is blown, then it mutes the line output. This could be the major reason. Kannan Ron wrote: Have you tried cleaning the PB head? The belt is an unlikely suspect. -- Ron boogie man wrote: > I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the > following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: > > After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with > no sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume > control to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music > being played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same > result. > > This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock > and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt > problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I > would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? > > Thanks > boogie ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 11 00:15:59 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem In-Reply-To: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20070410221559.58458.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is the tape losing contact with the heads? Bob Ron wrote: Have you tried cleaning the PB head? The belt is an unlikely suspect. -- Ron boogie man wrote: > I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the > following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: > > After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with > no sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume > control to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music > being played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same > result. > > This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock > and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt > problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I > would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? > > Thanks > boogie ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 01:03:53 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:03:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem In-Reply-To: <599828.5066.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan: The stop button light seems to work as usual. It lights up as usual. In fact all the respective button lights are lit and appears normal. thanks boogie >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:54:35 -0700 (PDT) > >This could be due to Stop button light ! Similar to 582. If the light is >blown, then it mutes the line output. > This could be the major reason. > Kannan > >Ron wrote: > >Have you tried cleaning the PB head? The belt is an >unlikely suspect. > >-- Ron > > >boogie man wrote: > > I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the > > following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: > > > > After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with > > no sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume > > control to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music > > being played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same > > result. > > > > This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock > > and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt > > problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I > > would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > boogie >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >TV dinner still cooling? >Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ RealLiveMoms: Share your experience with Real Live Moms just like you http://www.reallivemoms.ca/ From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 01:05:22 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:05:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem In-Reply-To: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron: The first thing I did was to clean the areas I am required to including the PB head. But the result's the same. thanks boogie >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:33:06 -0400 > > >Have you tried cleaning the PB head? The belt is an >unlikely suspect. > >-- Ron > > >boogie man wrote: >>I would gretaly appreciate any information anyone can shed on the >>following problem I am experiencing with my ZX-9: >> >>After calibrating, I engaged the play button only to be surprised with no >>sound. The meters showed no activity and I had to turn the volume control >>to the maximum position to get only a faint sound of the music being >>played from the tape. I have tried several tapes with the same result. >> >>This is the first problem I have ever had with this deck which is stock >>and which has performed flawlessly up to today. Could this be a belt >>problem? I am not skilled in the art of deciphering or repairing so I >>would have to find a repair facility. Any ideas? >> >>Thanks >>boogie >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don�t waste time standing in line�try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Apr 11 02:14:19 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:14:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) In-Reply-To: <000001c77bb9$19ed5960$0602a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: I have access to an old EP with about 4-6 tracks on it all sung by Ferrier, including one of her most famous, "Blow the Wind Southerly". Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark caton Sent: 10 April 2007 22:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) Some time ago on this group, someone asked if anyone owned a specific track by this lady. Having just upgraded my turntable arm (Hadcock, marvellous, oh yes), and dived through various parts of my collection of vinyl, I came across an album of this ladies. If the person who raised the question wants to repeat it (before everyones’ gone!), I will see if that track is on this album. And then I might use by CR-7 to copy it. It’s a bit long winded trying to look for this old thread on the archives!. Cheers, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Apr 11 02:29:54 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:29:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who suggested ways to remedy my problem. But the actual problem was not the deck but ME......I know you all are probably laughing by now but when I engaged the azimuth button to adjust the record head, I did not disengage this button creating a mute-type result. I went over all the steps and all looks well. Thanks to all boogie _________________________________________________________________ This Easter, Hop Over To Live Maps For Some Cultural Enlightenment. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!101 From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 04:52:30 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:52:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk storms In-Reply-To: References: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200704110251.l3B2oxJc032581@zxe.naks.com> Hello everyone, I'm not a frequent contributor to Nalktalk but I am always here - lurking. In the world at large, me and my 300 tape decks probably belong in the insane asylum. In Naktalk I found something the world at large does not offer, which is a 'place' to meet like minded people. I couldn't help noticing that recently the 'emotional wow and flutter' of Nalktalk has reached alarming levels. Even though I have some very serious issues of my own at this time (e.g. how will me and my family survive for the next three months) I felt a need to say to you all that I care about Naktalk. I certainly hope the group will not come apart (or split) because of these recent storms. All the best, Victor From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 11 05:53:15 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:53:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) In-Reply-To: <000001c77bb9$19ed5960$0602a8c0@markantec> References: <000001c77bb9$19ed5960$0602a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: <20070411035307.JXE1232.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Mark, here's the original thread for the guy looking for her recordings. From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 17 14:09:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu Mar 17 17:03:52 2005 Subject: [naktalk] Request? Message-ID: I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! Colin At 05:42 PM 4/10/2007, you wrote: >Some time ago on this group, someone asked if anyone owned a >specific track by this lady. > >Having just upgraded my turntable arm (Hadcock, marvellous, oh yes), >and dived through various parts of my collection of vinyl, I came >across an album of this ladies. If the person who raised the >question wants to repeat it (before everyones' gone!), I will see if >that track is on this album. And then I might use by CR-7 to copy it. > >It's a bit long winded trying to look for this old thread on the archives!. > >Cheers, > >Mark >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:30:51 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:30:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Kermit In-Reply-To: <461B8CB1.40302@yahoo.ca> References: <20070408050403.SOKF10053.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <17d5ee910704091159p49bf0f48j6e49619e2188e5b@mail.gmail.com> <20070409204852.URTO21439.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <461B8CB1.40302@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Hello Antoine, Thank you for writing back with the information. I'll try to contact him if nothing else because Im down to my last set of tubes and maybe he can still get the tubes. My son is learning electronics in college but damned if he can make heads or tails of the Tan 77AN maintenance instructions and neither can the instructor. Maybe somebody on this list can explain this to me, if so that would be really swell and I will pass the info to my son. Heres the paragraph we cant follow: "Renewal Instructions: 5879 must not be substituted. Replacement 5879s must be matched to each other with respect to transconductance, equivalent series resistance and emissivity at bogey value. Do not substitute 6X4 with selenium or silicon types because B+ voltages will be increased beyond the design maxima. 396A may be substituted by 6FQ7 or 6CG7 after converting the tube socket according to Diagram 3. Replace the 396A load (0.225 Meg) with 0.11 Meg, the grid leak (1 Meg) with 0.25 Meg and the autobias resistor (4.1K) with 5.1K bypassed by a 100 microFarad Sprague Atom. The conversion and substitution reduces overall gain by 5 dB and decreases the maximum output level from 30 dBm to 24 dBm." Oh swell, thats clear as mud. reading Swahili is easier. Reminds me of a slogan you used to see on billboard when I was a kid: Is This Trip really Necessary? LOL. BTW, does any other company make preamps or aftermarket gear for nakamichi cassette decks. Its a hell of an idea making mike preamps just special for nakamichi cassette decks. I wish you guys could have been in those classes I took and I wish Id taken all the classes but Im a photographer by trade and only wanted to learn how to get the most out of my cassette decks. My wife, Vera, is a violinist and I record her practices and her chamber music trio with my own tape decks to save the money of not having to goto a studio. Anyway, he would end each class session with letting somebody bring in their tape deck that they didn't like the sound of and he'd make a recording with it and make it sound really swell then he'd explain how he made it sound that good. People would bring in all sorts of tape decks and try to stump him. One day I took my old Berlant-Concertone 20/20 and Altec 633 mike that I bought after I was first married in 1955. I never really got it to sound good but oh my what a suprise to see how good it could sound. Sorry, I'm rambling again. On 4/10/07, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Jerry McPhail a écrit : > > Hello Roland, Antoine, et al; > > > > Out of curiousity I checked that link and found something on the menu > > at the left that said Technical Library. > Oh great! It's back. Nice! > > Reading some of the pdfs was > > interesting in fact some of the pdfs are almost verbatim the same as > > handouts I got in the recording classes I took from the guys who sold > > me my Nakamichi 1000 and 550. I'm wondering if it is the same guy > > because when I looked at the rest of the websight it mentioned a > > pattern 77 preamp. I bought my nakamichis from Specialized Recording > > and Audio, which was a small company working out of this guy's > > basement, it was him and his girlfriend who ran this place. Traffic > > was hell to get there because they were located near the famous > > western electric plant that made vacuum tubes. > You're most likely talking about Kermit there! He told me he visited > Western Electric often when he was young because he lived near them. > > The thing I remmember > > besides how great those classes were was how helpful the owner was. > > Besides the classes, I mean. I was going to buy one of his amplifiers > > and speakers but he referred me over to another store because he > > thought their amps and speakers would be a better match for what I > > wanted. Amazing, recommending a competitor! > He still does! I was looking for a cheap phono cartridge. He recommended > me a Grado even though he sells custom Shure V15 needles. > > Boy times have changed, > > now competitors maul each other like all the bullcrap firestorm that > > started over whose replacement belt to buy! Anyway, I originally > > bought the nakamichi 550 and 1000 and 3 akg D190 mikes from him, then > > he referred me to David Beatty's to buy a turntable. He sold Dual but > > recommended I buy a Denon direct drive and also he sold his brand of > > equipment like amps and speakers but he sent me to David Beatty to buy > > my reel-to-reel, turntable, amp and speakers -- I got the denon, a > > Revox A77, the nakamichi 610 and 620 and apair of magnepan speakers. > > He sold nakamichi but sent me to David Beatty for the amp 610 and 620 > > because they sold it at a lowr price than he could! Anyway, the point > > of all this rambling is that after I took a few of his classes I > > decided to get better mikes and outboard mike preamps, so I bought 3 > > of their in-house modified Beyer M160 ribbon mikes, and a special 3 > > channel mike preamp they made just for nakamichi and revox A77 tape > > recorders, it was the model Tan 77AN. I bought 2 spare sets of tubes > > which turned out to be a good thing because I've been going to local > > stores to buy more spare tubes and nobody stocks 6X4, 5879 or Western > > Electric 396A tubes, which is what this mike preamp uses. Anyway, this > > websight you gave the link to, it mentioins a 77 preamp, and I wonder > > if this is the same as the Tan 77AN that I bought for my nakamichis. > > Anyone have any info on these mike preamps that were made for > > nakamichi cassette decks? > As I know him, everything he builds is custom made for the client and he > will not make the same thing more than a few times, so only him would > know. Don't try to understand his circuits either, there's probably a > lot of never-publicly-released WE "ways of wiring things" in there(He > had access to it). -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:43:39 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:43:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: References: <200704101000.l3AA06P4019291@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, On 4/10/07, Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Jerry, > The TAN-77 amp was indeed a Kermit product. It stands for "The Amplification > Nation". I never knew what the Tan meant, I just assumed he named the thing after the color. Hilarious name, oh well it was the 1970's! The set of 3 of the damned preamps cost as much as the Nakamichi 1000 did but it was worth the money. And Im not really complaining about the cost, that Berlant-Concertone 20/20 set me back $525 in 1955! And my cameras are all Linhof so I dont skimp my equipment. > I don't know what happened to Kermit, he stopped answering email and phone > messages a while ago and I never heard anything. Hope he's okay. Actually Im surprised to hear he's still in business. If I would have spent as much time as he did when I knew him doing freebies Id have gone bust quick. Guess I'm not as nice a guy, yes? Hell, I told him once he ought to spend more time looking to his own business and focus more on making money and not spend all his time giving himself away so he could support that gorgeous doll he was marrying. -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Apr 11 11:12:03 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:12:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) Message-ID: Kathleen Ferrier, the great British contralto. I missed that request but possibly can also assist. I have several albums - four or more just inherited which are in good condition - mainly Brahms and Schubert lieder. My dad has Mahler's Kindertotenlieder by Ferrier on CD. My vinyl setup is not quite Mark's pedigree!! But any assistance is gladly offerred free to the group. Mark, tell us about the rest of your vinyl set-up. Cheers - Marc >>> mark.l.caton at btinternet.com 4/10/2007 11:42:13 PM >>> Some time ago on this group, someone asked if anyone owned a specific track by this lady. Having just upgraded my turntable arm (Hadcock, marvellous, oh yes), and dived through various parts of my collection of vinyl, I came across an album of this ladies. If the person who raised the question wants to repeat it (before everyones' gone!), I will see if that track is on this album. And then I might use by CR-7 to copy it. It's a bit long winded trying to look for this old thread on the archives!. 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From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Wed Apr 11 11:26:35 2007 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:26:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Suggested ethic Message-ID: <5qjac9$66ksvg@smtp.talktalk.net> Suggested ethic Our old headmaster used to say: "If you haven't anything good to say about someone, then say nothing" I think certain members of this forum would do well to think on this before clicking SEND. Recently postings that have spilled over into personal comments (even abuse) upset the majority for the short-term feel-good factor of the one clicking SEND. If you have a personal issue, then take it off-list. Respectfully Kev McGee Manchester UK From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Apr 11 12:28:07 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:28:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've just caught up with this thread ... don't feel too bad about it, Boogie - I've done the very same thing with my ZX9! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boogie man Sent: 11 April 2007 01:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved Thanks to everyone who suggested ways to remedy my problem. But the actual problem was not the deck but ME......I know you all are probably laughing by now but when I engaged the azimuth button to adjust the record head, I did not disengage this button creating a mute-type result. I went over all the steps and all looks well. Thanks to all boogie _________________________________________________________________ This Easter, Hop Over To Live Maps For Some Cultural Enlightenment. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!101 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Apr 11 13:15:28 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:15:28 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Straps and toys Message-ID: Tom wrote: >David, >Thanks! BTW, there is a 550 strap on eBay, but it looks like a threaded >boss is broken off. Can anyone enlarge the picture and comment? The seller will not post outside the USA. But my substitute is pretty good. >The tape alarm is a funny toy. What it does is allow a recordist to set up >a light to blink warning when the tape is near the end. It integrates the >auto stop pulses, so if the auto stop doesn't work, there may be an >electronic problem common to both. I would replace all the blue tantalum >caps on the counter board with miniature electrolytics. > I have a used 600 head, if you want to "hot rod" your 550. For an exact >match you will need a 350 or 500 parts machine. IIRC the guide is not >welded to this head, allowing it to be relapped. As you mention, the problem with the tape alarm is that the circuit also includes the auto tape stop and this is malfunctioning too. I have made some progress. A change of transistor 733 got it working again except that the shut off occurs after a few seconds. I am now replacing tantalum caps (this one has orange ones) and have ordered 2 more transistors - 2SK30A. I have trouble getting diode 1S1555. I googled one parts list and saw 1N4148 listed as an alternative so may try that if it proves necessary. Heads are hard to come by. I will look out for the other models. There is a very poor looking 600 in the US. Also a 'new in the box' 350 in Canada going for $1,100 and a new 500 for $995! There is a BX-2 head going for $30. ESL have new ones but cost more than the 550 is worth, to me at least. A secondhand one is a possibility though. David From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Wed Apr 11 13:16:34 2007 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark caton) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:16:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) In-Reply-To: <20070411035307.JXE1232.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <001501c77c2a$dd4bee00$0602a8c0@markantec> Hey Roland, well found - seriously what's the secret - is there a search facility I couldn't see? I have found Number 4 - Handel - He was despised - this is on Decca LXT 2757 - A Recital of Bach and Handel Arias - Sir Adrian Boult and the London Philharmonic. Oh, and is Colin still on the list? Mark _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 11 April 2007 04:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) Mark, here's the original thread for the guy looking for her recordings. >From cmmarsh at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 17 14:09:55 2005 From: cmmarsh at ntlworld.com (Colin Marsh) Date: Thu Mar 17 17:03:52 2005 Subject: [naktalk] Request? Message-ID: I have been reading the posts about setting up and playing records an it seems to me that many Naktalk members also owners and collectors of, shall we say, Rare recordings. I put myself into this category. About 35 years ago I managed to acquire copies of some very rare recordings from the BBC record library (I had a friend working there at the time), buy finally the cassettes have succumbed to constant playing and age! I have been trying to get hold of the original records as long as I can remember but with no success to date. Is it possible that somewhere in your record collections lurk these records? The recordings are very early, and appeared on 78s and LPs in 1952 I think? The artist was Kathleen Ferrier and the tracks are: ( 1 and 2) Gluck - Orfeo and Euridice - What is life to me without thee? and Che Puro Ciel. (3) Gruber - Silent Night, Holy Night (4) Handel - Messiah - He was despised. As you will know, if you recognisef these recordings, when they come up for sale they are highly sought after! These tracks where all re-released many times over the years but the effects of remixing, re - mastering and Stereoising took its toll I have many of these re- released recordings and they don't compare with those cassette recordings from the BBC, they used Neal decks at that time! If you guys have these recordings and would consider providing me with a Nak copy, please contact me as it would fill a hole in my collection! Colin At 05:42 PM 4/10/2007, you wrote: Some time ago on this group, someone asked if anyone owned a specific track by this lady. Having just upgraded my turntable arm (Hadcock, marvellous, oh yes), and dived through various parts of my collection of vinyl, I came across an album of this ladies. If the person who raised the question wants to repeat it (before everyones gone!), I will see if that track is on this album. And then I might use by CR-7 to copy it. Its a bit long winded trying to look for this old thread on the archives!. Cheers, Mark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 11 13:22:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23295.89743.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me too with the zx7 and zx 9 and wondered why! Alls well that ends well. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: I've just caught up with this thread ... don't feel too bad about it, Boogie - I've done the very same thing with my ZX9! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boogie man Sent: 11 April 2007 01:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved Thanks to everyone who suggested ways to remedy my problem. But the actual problem was not the deck but ME......I know you all are probably laughing by now but when I engaged the azimuth button to adjust the record head, I did not disengage this button creating a mute-type result. I went over all the steps and all looks well. 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Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Apr 11 13:36:22 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:36:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Straps and toys References: Message-ID: <006d01c77c2d$a1a3fd40$0201a8c0@home> Re the 550 switching off after a few seconds, check that the reed switch is opening a closing as the Magnet rotates! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] Straps and toys > Tom wrote: > >David, > >Thanks! BTW, there is a 550 strap on eBay, but it looks like a threaded > >boss is broken off. Can anyone enlarge the picture and comment? > > The seller will not post outside the USA. But my substitute is pretty good. > > > >The tape alarm is a funny toy. What it does is allow a recordist to set up > >a light to blink warning when the tape is near the end. It integrates the > >auto stop pulses, so if the auto stop doesn't work, there may be an > >electronic problem common to both. I would replace all the blue tantalum > >caps on the counter board with miniature electrolytics. > > I have a used 600 head, if you want to "hot rod" your 550. For an exact > >match you will need a 350 or 500 parts machine. IIRC the guide is not > >welded to this head, allowing it to be relapped. > > As you mention, the problem with the tape alarm is that the circuit also > includes the auto tape stop and this is malfunctioning too. I have made some > progress. A change of transistor 733 got it working again except that the > shut off occurs after a few seconds. I am now replacing tantalum caps (this > one has orange ones) and have ordered 2 more transistors - 2SK30A. I have > trouble getting diode 1S1555. I googled one parts list and saw 1N4148 listed > as an alternative so may try that if it proves necessary. > > Heads are hard to come by. I will look out for the other models. There is a > very poor looking 600 in the US. Also a 'new in the box' 350 in Canada > going for $1,100 and a new 500 for $995! There is a BX-2 head going for > $30. ESL have new ones but cost more than the 550 is worth, to me at least. > A secondhand one is a possibility though. > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/07 22:59 > > From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Apr 11 13:36:24 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:36:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved References: Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E2E@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hey Boogie I too have just caught up with this thread....and I too have left the azimuth button depressed...and I too have experienced that sinking feeling when you think the wheels have just fallen off the great ZX-9! Never mind, all is well again :] Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed 4/11/2007 8:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved I've just caught up with this thread ... don't feel too bad about it, Boogie - I've done the very same thing with my ZX9! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of boogie man Sent: 11 April 2007 01:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem-----resolved Thanks to everyone who suggested ways to remedy my problem. But the actual problem was not the deck but ME......I know you all are probably laughing by now but when I engaged the azimuth button to adjust the record head, I did not disengage this button creating a mute-type result. I went over all the steps and all looks well. Thanks to all boogie _________________________________________________________________ This Easter, Hop Over To Live Maps For Some Cultural Enlightenment. http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!101 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 11 17:21:35 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:21:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Straps and toys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070411102135.0088e8c0@earthlink.net> I could buy the strap and sent it to you. 1N4148 are interchangeable with 1S1555. A BX2 head would be very different. Be patient and we'll find a good head. tom At 09:15 PM 4/11/07 +1000, you wrote: >Tom wrote: >>David, >>Thanks! BTW, there is a 550 strap on eBay, but it looks like a threaded >>boss is broken off. Can anyone enlarge the picture and comment? > >The seller will not post outside the USA. But my substitute is pretty good. > > >>The tape alarm is a funny toy. What it does is allow a recordist to set up >>a light to blink warning when the tape is near the end. It integrates the >>auto stop pulses, so if the auto stop doesn't work, there may be an >>electronic problem common to both. I would replace all the blue tantalum >>caps on the counter board with miniature electrolytics. >> I have a used 600 head, if you want to "hot rod" your 550. For an exact >>match you will need a 350 or 500 parts machine. IIRC the guide is not >>welded to this head, allowing it to be relapped. > >As you mention, the problem with the tape alarm is that the circuit also >includes the auto tape stop and this is malfunctioning too. I have made some >progress. A change of transistor 733 got it working again except that the >shut off occurs after a few seconds. I am now replacing tantalum caps (this >one has orange ones) and have ordered 2 more transistors - 2SK30A. I have >trouble getting diode 1S1555. I googled one parts list and saw 1N4148 listed >as an alternative so may try that if it proves necessary. > >Heads are hard to come by. I will look out for the other models. There is a >very poor looking 600 in the US. Also a 'new in the box' 350 in Canada >going for $1,100 and a new 500 for $995! There is a BX-2 head going for >$30. ESL have new ones but cost more than the 550 is worth, to me at least. >A secondhand one is a possibility though. > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Apr 11 19:38:33 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:38:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) In-Reply-To: <001501c77c2a$dd4bee00$0602a8c0@markantec> References: <20070411035307.JXE1232.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <001501c77c2a$dd4bee00$0602a8c0@markantec> Message-ID: <20070411173824.TSYS1288.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Mark, I did it the old 'click and search method'. I went to naks.com > Naktalk, Archives and then opened up each month by the gzip'd file. Netscape has a search function and that's how I got it. My email program also has a search function where I can search all the messages stored but I only go back so far. At 07:16 AM 4/11/2007, you wrote: >Hey Roland, well found – seriously what’s the >secret – is there a search facility I couldn’t see? > >I have found Number 4 - Handel - He was >despised – this is on Decca LXT 2757 – A Recital >of Bach and Handel Arias – Sir Adrian Boult and the London Philharmonic. > >Oh, and is Colin still on the list? > >Mark > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Wed Apr 11 21:02:20 2007 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark caton) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:02:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) In-Reply-To: <20070411173824.TSYS1288.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000601c77c6b$eed463f0$0602a8c0@markantec> Roland, Thanks for that - yes I went to the archives - didn't think about using your method tho. For future reference. Cheers, Mark _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 11 April 2007 18:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Kathleen Ferrier (OT) Mark, I did it the old 'click and search method'. I went to naks.com > Naktalk, Archives and then opened up each month by the gzip'd file. Netscape has a search function and that's how I got it. My email program also has a search function where I can search all the messages stored but I only go back so far. At 07:16 AM 4/11/2007, you wrote: Hey Roland, well found - seriously what's the secret - is there a search facility I couldn't see? I have found Number 4 - Handel - He was despised - this is on Decca LXT 2757 - A Recital of Bach and Handel Arias - Sir Adrian Boult and the London Philharmonic. Oh, and is Colin still on the list? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Apr 11 16:34:16 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:34:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Kermits well being In-Reply-To: <200704111000.l3BA0XRk004149@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRk004149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Yes i recall Kermit had serious health matters in his recent past that may have recurred. lets hope not. I visited his website last night and saw all the documents and pdf's where there ...... but I forgot to check when the site was last updated which might give some indication of whether he is active or not. I very much hope so Is there any other naktalkers in Kansas who could physically go and check out the address he gives on the site ian r scotland From: Fred Lifton Hi Jerry, The TAN-77 amp was indeed a Kermit product. It stands for "The Amplification Nation". I don't know what happened to Kermit, he stopped answering email and phone messages a while ago and I never heard anything. Hope he's okay. cheers, Fred (in Portland) From flifton at mac.com Wed Apr 11 21:38:30 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:38:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] one Fred, two Fred In-Reply-To: <200704111000.l3BA05oD004131@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704111000.l3BA05oD004131@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <71D04EE2-25C7-4269-A91C-B1B0FC13A064@mac.com> Hi David, Just FYI, there are two Freds on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. cheers, Fred (from Portland) On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> Fred wrote: >>> I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have >>> come >>> to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my >>> product from the testing process. >> >> Fred >> >> I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just >> had a bad >> weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing >> can only >> be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly >> appreciated by me >> and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real >> quest for >> answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what >> other sour >> comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority >> flack and >> let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We >> will all >> benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will >> around in the >> calmer wqters for your efforts. >> >> BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement >> shoulder belt >> for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets >> cheaply from the >> local camping supplies store. >> >> In Easter peace >> >> David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Wed Apr 11 23:54:53 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] For the sake of Digest readers, please trim your replies Message-ID: Each reply to the latest 'blowup' had seven pages of text to page through before I got to the next response. Please try to be considerate to those who are subscribed to the digest version of the list and trim off the extra stuff at the bottom of your responses. From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 02:05:40 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes In-Reply-To: <71D04EE2-25C7-4269-A91C-B1B0FC13A064@mac.com> Message-ID: <604286.80301.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. cheers, Fred (from Portland) On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Fred wrote: I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my product from the testing process. Fred I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a bad weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can only be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest for answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other sour comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack and let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in the calmer wqters for your efforts. BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder belt for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from the local camping supplies store. In Easter peace David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 12 02:11:01 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:11:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Kermits well being In-Reply-To: References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRk004149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <461D7915.9070409@yahoo.ca> The site was last updated on Feb 1st. earthrite at gn.apc.org a écrit : > Yes i recall Kermit had serious health matters in his recent past that > may have recurred. lets hope not. I visited his website last night and > saw all the documents and pdf's where there ...... but I forgot to > check when the site was last updated which might give some indication > of whether he is active or not. > I very much hope so > > Is there any other naktalkers in Kansas who could physically go and > check out the address he gives on the site > > ian r > scotland > > > From: Fred Lifton > > Hi Jerry, > The TAN-77 amp was indeed a Kermit product. It stands for "The > Amplification Nation". > > I don't know what happened to Kermit, he stopped answering email and > phone messages a while ago and I never heard anything. Hope he's okay. > cheers, > Fred (in Portland) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Apr 12 03:26:41 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:26:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] one Fred, two Fred In-Reply-To: <71D04EE2-25C7-4269-A91C-B1B0FC13A064@mac.com> References: <200704111000.l3BA05oD004131@zxe.naks.com> <71D04EE2-25C7-4269-A91C-B1B0FC13A064@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070412012632.DWJQ1236.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Fred, yes, I agree and with Wouter and Bala doing some moderator work, it should get cleaned up. I rarely post but completely enjoy the gurus bantering with info. >May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This >bickering will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. > >cheers, >Fred (from Portland) From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Apr 12 08:09:00 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:39:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c77cc9$128a6940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available. I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? Thanks and Best Regards Soumi From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Apr 12 12:38:18 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:38:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes Message-ID: Yes they are, I'm not at all sure who is sending this post. However, English XLII-S Maxells are superb and in no way, manner or form deficient when compared with Japanese units. They are made at the Maxell Europe plant in Apley, Shropshire and typically are in the purple Mystic wrap. Buy with confidence. Marc >>> r1seals at yahoo.com 4/12/2007 2:05:40 AM >>> I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. cheers, Fred (from Portland) On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Fred wrote: I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my product from the testing process. Fred I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a bad weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can only be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest for answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other sour comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack and let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in the calmer wqters for your efforts. BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder belt for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from the local camping supplies store. In Easter peace David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:00:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes In-Reply-To: <604286.80301.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <628285.34614.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, The new xlii-s are great. You will admire their sound. You will find it for $1 plus shipping on batteriesandbutter,com Goodluck. Ram Russ Seals wrote: I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. cheers, Fred (from Portland) On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Fred wrote: I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my product from the testing process. Fred I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a bad weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can only be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest for answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other sour comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack and let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in the calmer wqters for your efforts. BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder belt for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from the local camping supplies store. In Easter peace David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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It no longer shuts off but the tap alarm light is constant, not flashing now but constant and the meters lights go dimmer. So some more poking to do yet and I will check around the reed switch again. Fred from Portland ­ thanks for clarifying from your end on the strap. There are a few Davids to I see. David T >Message: 13 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:36:22 +0100 From: "Terry Finn" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Straps and toys To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <006d01c77c2d$a1a3fd40$0201a8c0 at home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Re the 550 switching off after a few seconds, >check that the reed switch is opening a closing as the Magnet rotates! >T. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Thompson" To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Straps and toys > Tom wrote: > >David, > >Thanks! BTW, there is a 550 strap on eBay, but it looks like a threaded > >boss is broken off. Can anyone enlarge the picture and comment? > > The seller will not post outside the USA. But my substitute is pretty good. > > > >The tape alarm is a funny toy. What it does is allow a recordist to set up > >a light to blink warning when the tape is near the end. It integrates the > >auto stop pulses, so if the auto stop doesn't work, there may be an > >electronic problem common to both. I would replace all the blue tantalum > >caps on the counter board with miniature electrolytics. > > I have a used 600 head, if you want to "hot rod" your 550. For an exact > >match you will need a 350 or 500 parts machine. IIRC the guide is not > >welded to this head, allowing it to be relapped. > > As you mention, the problem with the tape alarm is that the circuit also > includes the auto tape stop and this is malfunctioning too. I have made some > progress. A change of transistor 733 got it working again except that the > shut off occurs after a few seconds. From joenapolillo at verizon.net Thu Apr 12 14:02:25 2007 From: joenapolillo at verizon.net (joenapolillo at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:02:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Questions about repair 582. Message-ID: <20279991.14071176379345599.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> I am an original owner of a 582. The machine recently had to be repair for the cassette door release. I saw in the archive that someone thought there was a NAK released change for this problem. I fixed it but if something has been release by NAK I would like to know. Second, I am considering replacing all the belts and the idler tire. About $130 for the parts. I would perform the labor considering I can now assemble and disassemble the drive subassembly in minutes. My question to the group is would it be better to replace the deck with a CR - 7A or CR - 5A or should I pursue the belt replacement? I look forward to the groups insight. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 12 15:08:41 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:08:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <001201c77cc9$128a6940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <001201c77cc9$128a6940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during > a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to > construct one using whats available. > I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus > out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list > etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? > > Thanks and Best Regards > Soumi Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. Now... If you want to buy a record player... First step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a player plus a separate cartridge, or separate turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays several records automatically). All this will narrow down your choices to the point where you can start evaluating several models. Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer full automation, for convenience. For direct drive variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 goes for $800 to $1200. This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. This can happens when I start to talk about turntables... Peace, -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 12 15:24:42 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:24:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about repair 582. In-Reply-To: <20279991.14071176379345599.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20279991.14071176379345599.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <461E331A.2040902@rcn.com> joenapolillo at verizon.net wrote: > I am an original owner of a 582. The machine recently had to be > repair for the cassette door release. I saw in the archive that > someone thought there was a NAK released change for this problem. > I fixed it but if something has been release by NAK I would like to > know. > > Second, I am considering replacing all the belts and the idler > tire. About $130 for the parts. I would perform the labor > considering I can now assemble and disassemble the drive > subassembly in minutes. My question to the group is would it be > better to replace the deck with a CR - 7A or CR - 5A or should I > pursue the belt replacement? > > I look forward to the groups insight. I owned a 582 for 17 years (bought new) and enjoyed it immensely. Over that period, I made a couple of hundred recordings that I enjoy to this day. I thought the 582 was the ultimate cassette deck. Several years ago I bought a (used) CR-7 and discovered that -- as good as the 582 was -- the CR-7 sounds better, not to mention that it also has more features. It was interesting that cassettes made on the 582 sounded better when played on the CR-7. Last year I bought a CR-5. Sonically, it sounds just as good as the CR-7, though is doesn't have some of the frills. I used it to record several cassettes (recording from the CR-7 to the CR-5) and can't hear any difference between the original and the copy. That, to me, is high praise. To answer your question: If you are satisfied with the 582, by all means keep it, it's a great deck. If you wish to upgrade, the CR-5 will deliver better sound. If you have the budget, the CR-7 will provide additional features and convenience. -- Ron From jamiep8 at msn.com Thu Apr 12 14:49:25 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:49:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes In-Reply-To: <604286.80301.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. The best Maxell tapes were the ones manufactured through 1984; Maxell called these epitaxial. Later tapes used black magnetite, which is good enough, I suppose, but they don't last as long. They have a higher MOL, but their over-all sound is not as buttery. Anyway Nak decks are pre-biased for TDK SA90, so why use another brand? SA90's sound fantastic in my Nak 480!!!! Cheers, Mike >From: Russ Seals >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:05:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in >England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody > >Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds >on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for >webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to >remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. > > >May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering >will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. > > >cheers, >Fred (from Portland) > >On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > > Fred wrote: > I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come > to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my > product from the testing process. > > > Fred > > > I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a >bad > weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can >only > be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me > and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest >for > answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other >sour > comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack >and > let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all > benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in >the > calmer wqters for your efforts. > > > BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder >belt > for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from >the > local camping supplies store. > > > In Easter peace > > > David > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Can�t afford to quit your job? � Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in 1 year. http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866143 From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 12 14:53:02 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:53:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about repair 582. References: <20279991.14071176379345599.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <019001c77d01$82156cf0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Joe my only Q is ?$130? This guy [http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html] has the belt kit for $19 + p&p. They are not original but the ones he supplied for my 480Z worked fine. Plus tires from ESL [their 5 yr gtee] are $6 +p&p. Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Questions about repair 582. >I am an original owner of a 582. The machine recently had to be > repair for the cassette door release. I saw in the archive that > someone thought there was a NAK released change for this problem. > I fixed it but if something has been release by NAK I would like to > know. > > Second, I am considering replacing all the belts and the idler > tire. About $130 for the parts. I would perform the labor > considering I can now assemble and disassemble the drive > subassembly in minutes. My question to the group is would it be > better to replace the deck with a CR - 7A or CR - 5A or should I > pursue the belt replacement? > > I look forward to the groups insight. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 11/04/2007 > 17:14 > > From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Apr 12 16:41:36 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:41:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes Message-ID: I must say, I enjoy them all - the older ones (badged "high epitaxial") and those more recent ones that exclusively use black magnetite. Earlier versions used a specific orientation of goethite particles with a proprietary binder and cobalt-compound coating. However, in both instances chemical vapour deposition epitaxy is the process used by Hitachi-Maxell in applying the coating. Later versions had a wider orientation (ratio of variation in particle size) which produced changes in frequency characteristics, sensitivity plots, magnetic retentivity and gauss(coercivity)/degauss measurements. I wouldn't quite understand any potential changes in longevity though. Glad you enjoy TDK SAs. Also good to know another 480 owner. Amazing decks!! Marc >>> jamiep8 at msn.com 4/12/2007 2:49:25 PM >>> Hi. The best Maxell tapes were the ones manufactured through 1984; Maxell called these epitaxial. Later tapes used black magnetite, which is good enough, I suppose, but they don't last as long. They have a higher MOL, but their over-all sound is not as buttery. Anyway Nak decks are pre-biased for TDK SA90, so why use another brand? SA90's sound fantastic in my Nak 480!!!! Cheers, Mike >From: Russ Seals >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:05:40 -0700 (PDT) > >I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in >England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody > >Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds >on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for >webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to >remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion. > > >May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering >will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored. > > >cheers, >Fred (from Portland) > >On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > > Fred wrote: > I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come > to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my > product from the testing process. > > > Fred > > > I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a >bad > weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can >only > be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me > and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest >for > answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other >sour > comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack >and > let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all > benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in >the > calmer wqters for your efforts. > > > BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder >belt > for a 550. I ended up getting some webbing and end brackets cheaply from >the > local camping supplies store. > > > In Easter peace > > > David > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! 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From jmcalli at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 17:27:31 2007 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <001201c77cc9$128a6940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <62448.41850.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not sure if I'm a guru, but I have some metalworking experience and I've repaired and modified turntables and record players. What you're considering has certainly been done. If you haven't already, do an Internet search for "DIY turntable". If you have access to metalworking tools (a lathe, drill press or vertical mill, and bandsaw [optional] would probably suffice), it would be fairly easy to fabricate the main parts. You could easily fabricate aluminum platter(s) on the lathe and the base could be made of hardwood. Consider cannibalizing or buying the tonearm assembly. A used SME tonearm, or the like, shouldn't cost too much. Check out this example: http://www.theanalogdept.com/bushman1.htm James soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi all Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available. I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? Thanks and Best Regards Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 12 17:54:45 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:54:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <001201c77cc9$128a694 0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> Message-ID: <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 (II) are widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines. For new machines I have good experiences with Project Turntables, which I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" and a 12". All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter that DD). For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to any Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, or even a straight SME. For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point evo III. For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been recently discontinued, or any Ortofon you like. My 2c. LP. Ron wrote: > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Hi all >> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However >> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult >> to construct one using whats available. >> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus >> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading >> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? >> >> Thanks and Best Regards >> Soumi > > Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your > chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. > It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, > garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. > > Now... If you want to buy a record player... First > step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a > player plus a separate cartridge, or separate > turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your > automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts > and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays > several records automatically). > > All this will narrow down your choices to the point > where you can start evaluating several models. > > Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar > to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For > the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer > full automation, for convenience. For direct drive > variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this > series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to > $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For > deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, > with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). > The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 > goes for $800 to $1200. > > This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. > This can happens when I start to talk about > turntables... > > Peace, > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Apr 12 19:23:34 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:23:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes Message-ID: > You will admire their sound. You will find it for $1 plus shipping > on batteriesandbutter,com That's if you're willing to buy a couple hundred. They're slightly more expensive for smaller quantity (but still a good deal). I have had some problems with the shells; tape seems to stick in rewind mode. Happens on more than one deck; can be bad from the start or start happening after, say, autocal. The old rap-on-something-hard will fix it, but often only temporarily. In conjunction with this, I've found them noisier in rewind (on the whole). I don't think it's necessarily maxell or b&b that's the problem, but they must have been jarred oddly during shipping or stored badly at some point.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Apr 12 20:59:15 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:59:15 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Questions about repair 582. Message-ID: Joe, The latest research hasn't come up with any good generic capstan belt for the 582. You can get a NOS Nak belt from ESL for $55. The other rubber however is commonly available. The idler tire is MCM part number 32-710. The cam belt is a PRB SCQ4.8 and is also available from MCM and the SCA5.0 also works too. It is slightly wider and fatter and grabs the pulley quite nicely. I believe any generic 7.5 inch X 0.39 belt will work for the tape counter - maybe someone can confirm it. Comes in way below $130. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Apr 12 21:30:06 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:30:06 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Maxell tapes - Sending mail server found on sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC904A8A453@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> I bought a bunch of these from B&B about a year or two ago, and found that the 60 minute tapes were basically ruined. They sound like they were exposed to extreme heat and warped. The 90 and 100 minute tapes were fine. I have a feeling the have a HUGE backstock of tape that may be several years old and might not have been stored in optimum conditions. Still, the price is excellent. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Maxell tapes - Sending mail server found on sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org You will admire their sound. You will find it for $1 plus shipping on batteriesandbutter,com That's if you're willing to buy a couple hundred. They're slightly more expensive for smaller quantity (but still a good deal). I have had some problems with the shells; tape seems to stick in rewind mode. Happens on more than one deck; can be bad from the start or start happening after, say, autocal. The old rap-on-something-hard will fix it, but often only temporarily. In conjunction with this, I've found them noisier in rewind (on the whole). I don't think it's necessarily maxell or b&b that's the problem, but they must have been jarred oddly during shipping or stored badly at some point.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 21:33:39 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:33:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110704121233u73cdc22ava5cab701462bdaac@mail.gmail.com> I second Luis' comments. I picked up a pristine Thorens TD165 on eBay a while back and found a really good deal on a Shure M97xE cartridge - after a belt replacement and fixing some cable issues I've been absolutely blown away at the sound that thing puts out. I marvel at how cheaply those babies go for considering what they can do. -Tim On 4/12/07, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 (II) are > widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines. > > For new machines I have good experiences with Project Turntables, which > I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" and a 12". > > All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter that DD). > > For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to any > Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, or even > a straight SME. > > For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point evo III. > For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been recently > discontinued, or any Ortofon you like. > > My 2c. > > LP. > > > > Ron wrote: > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi all > >> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However > >> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult > >> to construct one using whats available. > >> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus > >> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading > >> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? > >> > >> Thanks and Best Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your > > chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. > > It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, > > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, > > garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. > > > > Now... If you want to buy a record player... First > > step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that > > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a > > player plus a separate cartridge, or separate > > turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your > > automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic > > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts > > and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays > > several records automatically). > > > > All this will narrow down your choices to the point > > where you can start evaluating several models. > > > > Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar > > to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For > > the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products > > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer > > full automation, for convenience. For direct drive > > variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this > > series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, > > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to > > $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For > > deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, > > with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 > > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). > > The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 > > goes for $800 to $1200. > > > > This turned out longer than anticipated... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461E913D.4020208@peromarta.org> Hi Adrian, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi luis > > i bought a set of you tapes last year.. > > i've used them and had excellent results.. > > i was just reading your site updates and have a question relating to the > calibration.. > > I've used the meter software you recommended and I set the levels to > maximum with the minimum yellow (difference).. I've noticed though that > when the difference is lowest, the levels are not at maximum and where > the levels are maximum the difference has crept up the scale... So far > I've gone for the lowest difference which gives the higher but not > highest levels.. The thing is you deck's amp section may not be perfectly aligned (try the 400HHz tape for this), so there may be small differences in level. Load the 400Hz, and look for max. levels (difference should be quite small anyway, as there is no phase difference). If there is an obvious difference in the L and R levels, your amp PB gain needs calibrating, check SM. From there move to the 15KHz, look for max L and R, and from there slightly adjust (no more than 1 or 2 clicks away) to obtain min. difference. > > what is most important, minimum difference or maximum levels? > > > many thanks and I hope your nak upgrade services is a success! > > > regards > > > adrian I am copying the naktalk list, as this may be of interest to some. Thanks, best rgds, LP From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Apr 12 22:43:18 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:43:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <62448.41850.qm@web30614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some of the old TTs from the 1960's can be made to sound very respectable. Putting aside the Thorens TD124 and the Garrard 301 or 401, which command collectors' premium prices, the Lencos/Goldrings make for good motor units that can, if you wish, be mounted into a more substantial base unit (e.g. marble.) The original Lenco arms are also potential killers if they are in good condition (and if they are not, spares are still available!) ... but you have to think laterally to make them so. For example, consider one of the basic designs of a TT arm is that the wire is run from the headshell through the arm tube and (more often than not) soldered onto a phono lead, which you will connect up to your amplifier. Ask yourself, why does the wire have to be down the tube? It doesn't. Thence, the Lenco arms, much criticised because of the quality of wires, can be upgraded with some decent new Litz by taping it down the outside of the arm! Gra' Hi all Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available. I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? Thanks and Best Regards Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Apr 12 23:01:03 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:01:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <001201c77cc9$128a6940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <002601c77d45$b20b9f30$b207010a@hurtignok> Soumi, Have a look at the Bix+ turntable kit. http://www.diyhifisupply.com/diyhs_bix.htm Looks interesting to me. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question > Hi all > Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a > couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one > using whats available. > I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out > there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc > etc etc that might help me in this. ? > > Thanks and Best Regards > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From phil05 at abv.bg Thu Apr 12 23:47:30 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:47:30 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 Message-ID: <705047046.528021176414450378.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Apr 13 00:05:07 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:05:07 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5 Message-ID: <851849926.529101176415507556.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Thank you very much Alex, now is absolutely quiet! >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Alex Cozac >Относно: RE: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5 >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Неделя, 2007, Април 8 12:31:52 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hello Valentin, > >Yes...you dan drop 2 drops of Sewing Machine oil, exactly in the place that you describe...& I'm sure that all the noise will disappear...BUT...BUT...also can be that your capstan belt is stretched out...so check that & changed it, after that you oiled the capstan motor bearing. > >Good luck,ALEX! > > > >> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:44:02 +0300> From: phil05 at abv.bg> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5> > Hello! In my LX 5 (s/n 18611) this noise comes from the capstan motor EG 51OED – 2B, when running. Is it allowed to put a drop or two oil on the front shaft/bearing (between the pulley and the housing?) Is the rear bearing is in the housing and not possible to be oiled? > > I have some oil isoflex PDP 65> > I have seen one different and more heavy capstan motor in one older LX 5 s/n appr. 8000, running absolutely without noise, label like MMX 5A2LSD, was the older motor better?> > Thank you all and have a nice time! Valentin> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >_________________________________________________________________ >i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=wlmailtagline > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 13 04:31:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:31:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <001201c77cc9$128a694 0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <461EEB86.5020007@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 (II) are > widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines. I agree about the Thorens. I used to own a TD125 that was quite good. Replaced it later with a Lenco G80 with Lenco arm (I forget the model number) that was also quite good with even lower rumble, but completely manual. This was many years ago -- today I insist on, at least, auto shut off at the end of a record. > For new machines I have good experiences with Project Turntables, which > I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" and a 12". > > All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter that DD). I am familiar with all the claims for belt drive vs. DD, but 'quieter' it certainly ain't. This is way OT for Naktalk, but if you wish to move the discussion to AudioTalk, I'll be happy to explain exactly why. -- Ron > For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to any > Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, or even > a straight SME. > > For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point evo III. > For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been recently > discontinued, or any Ortofon you like. > > My 2c. > > LP. > > > > Ron wrote: >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Hi all >>> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However >>> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult >>> to construct one using whats available. >>> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you >>> gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, >>> reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? >>> >>> Thanks and Best Regards >>> Soumi >> >> Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your >> chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. >> It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, >> if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, >> garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. >> >> Now... If you want to buy a record player... First >> step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that >> budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a >> player plus a separate cartridge, or separate >> turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your >> automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic >> (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts >> and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays >> several records automatically). >> >> All this will narrow down your choices to the point >> where you can start evaluating several models. >> >> Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar >> to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For >> the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products >> of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer >> full automation, for convenience. For direct drive >> variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this >> series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, >> I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to >> $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For >> deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, >> with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 >> (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). >> The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 >> goes for $800 to $1200. >> >> This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. >> This can happens when I start to talk about >> turntables... >> >> Peace, >> >> -- Ron From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Apr 13 01:06:08 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:06:08 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT - Transport CD player OMS 3E, OMS 4E Message-ID: <1334923153.531481176419168499.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Hello!Please help, if possible. Are the Sony transports in both players the same? My OMS 4E has Sony 152, but defective transport control and data processors. Is thus parts in OMS 3E compatible? I can by one OMS 3E with other defects and may be easy change the whole transport and control unit? Thank you in advance... From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Apr 13 02:42:12 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:42:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <461ED1E4.5000901@marrscommunications.com> Hello Group, What is the current value of a super clean, 100% working ZX-7? Thanks, Fred M From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Apr 13 05:16:53 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:16:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT - selling all my stuff In-Reply-To: <200704121955.l3CJs9ne007537@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704121955.l3CJs9ne007537@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070413031645.SITR1286.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Victor, While I sit and drool over your collection, I can help but wonder why you are selling such expensive items as a lot. You are basically ruling out 99.99% of the world that can afford them. I'll assume that it is time consuming for your to catalog each deck but from what I understand, you're not working now as it is. Where else can you earn the kind of money you'll make by working and putting EACH deck up for auction. Just my thoughts. Roland What do you have for Nak decks? At 03:55 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I though I'd let everyone know that I am selling off all my tape >decks, tapes, CD's, LP's etc. >Started with the R2R decks in one lot of 63 decks (item 300100998204) >A cassette deck lot will follow (244 of them, including 29 Naks) and >then the CD's (1200) and the LP's (500). >If they don't sell in lots, I'll start selling them one at a time. > >All the best, >Victor >. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 07:44:44 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:44:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5 Message-ID: Bravo...I'm happy...that your problem was solved! Peace,ALEX! > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:05:07 +0300> From: phil05 at abv.bg> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5> > Thank you very much Alex, now is absolutely quiet!> > > > >-------- Оригинално писмо --------> >От: Alex Cozac > >Относно: RE: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5> >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Изпратено на: Неделя, 2007, Април 8 12:31:52 EEST> >----------------------------------> >> >Hello Valentin,> > > >Yes...you dan drop 2 drops of Sewing Machine oil, exactly in the place that you describe...& I'm sure that all the noise will disappear...BUT...BUT...also can be that your capstan belt is stretched out...so check that & changed it, after that you oiled the capstan motor bearing.> > > >Good luck,ALEX!> >> >> >> >> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:44:02 +0300> From: phil05 at abv.bg> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Squealing noise from capstan motor LX 5> > Hello! In my LX 5 (s/n 18611) this noise comes from the capstan motor EG 51OED – 2B, when running. Is it allowed to put a drop or two oil on the front shaft/bearing (between the pulley and the housing?) Is the rear bearing is in the housing and not possible to be oiled? > > I have some oil isoflex PDP 65> > I have seen one different and more heavy capstan motor in one older LX 5 s/n appr. 8000, running absolutely without noise, label like MMX 5A2LSD, was the older motor better?> > Thank you all and have a nice time! 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 07:57:36 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:57:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question Message-ID: My beloved Gra, Seriously...I don't agree! Sorry, as an "Vintages" turntable guru fan, instead to find & update an Lenco arm...will much better or easier to acquire a Dual ALL in ONE, automatic (One record on the platter ONLY!) turntable as I own one per example the CS-721 which use a extremely reliable & fully "Maintenance Free" DD motor, superb Gimbals arm came mostly fitted with a Shure V-15 type 3 MM cartridge (Maybe in Europe also with a similarly cartridge made on Dual's demand by Ortofon, a little bit rare!), but exist. Complete with the originally & very handsome base & plinth. This in my sincerely & heart fully advise! BTW...Today MUST be very affordable priced!!! Peace,ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable QuestionDate: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:43:18 +0100 Some of the old TTs from the 1960's can be made to sound very respectable. Putting aside the Thorens TD124 and the Garrard 301 or 401, which command collectors' premium prices, the Lencos/Goldrings make for good motor units that can, if you wish, be mounted into a more substantial base unit (e.g. marble.) The original Lenco arms are also potential killers if they are in good condition (and if they are not, spares are still available!) ... but you have to think laterally to make them so. For example, consider one of the basic designs of a TT arm is that the wire is run from the headshell through the arm tube and (more often than not) soldered onto a phono lead, which you will connect up to your amplifier. Ask yourself, why does the wire have to be down the tube? It doesn't. Thence, the Lenco arms, much criticised because of the quality of wires, can be upgraded with some decent new Litz by taping it down the outside of the arm! Gra' Hi allIve been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available.I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ?Thanks and Best RegardsSoumi ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Your friends are close to you. Keep them that way. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 08:06:47 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:06:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question Message-ID: Hi Tim & Luis, Yes; Thorens can be also...but is NOT so "Maintenance Free"...as the Dual per example like a CS-721 (Made in Germany!), with Thorens after a few years you must as in our lovely Nak Decks...change the belt (Not a big problem...but boring one!!!), SME series 3 specially for the high compliance Shure/Ortofon.Stanton/Pickiring MM type cartridges will fit 7 deliver the best sound together with a Thorens TD125 - 125/ll -126 - 126/ll - 126/lll (Best of such series...once came directly from the factory fitted with SME series 3 arm...Ultimately choice...if he want to stack on Thorens of course!?). My Free advice! Peace,ALEX! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:33:39 -0500From: tim.skorick at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable QuestionI second Luis' comments. I picked up a pristine Thorens TD165 on eBay a while back and found a really good deal on a Shure M97xE cartridge - after a belt replacement and fixing some cable issues I've been absolutely blown away at the sound that thing puts out. I marvel at how cheaply those babies go for considering what they can do. -Tim On 4/12/07, Luis Peromarta wrote: Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 (II) arewidely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines.For new machines I have good experiences with Project Turntables, whichI strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" and a 12". All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter that DD).For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to anyRega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, or even a straight SME.For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point evo III.For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been recentlydiscontinued, or any Ortofon you like.My 2c. LP.Ron wrote:> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:>> Hi all>> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However>> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult >> to construct one using whats available.>> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus>> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading>> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? >>>> Thanks and Best Regards>> Soumi>> Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your> chances of ending up with a player are close to zero.> It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools,> garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise.>> Now... If you want to buy a record player... First> step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a> player plus a separate cartridge, or separate> turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your> automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts> and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays> several records automatically).>> All this will narrow down your choices to the point > where you can start evaluating several models.>> Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar> to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For> the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer> full automation, for convenience. For direct drive> variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this> series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to> $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For> deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar,> with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control).> The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291> goes for $800 to $1200.>> This turned out longer than anticipated... 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If you have access to metalworking tools (a lathe, drill press or vertical mill, and bandsaw [optional] would probably suffice), it would be fairly easy to fabricate the main parts. You could easily fabricate aluminum platter(s) on the lathe and the base could be made of hardwood. Consider cannibalizing or buying the tonearm assembly. A used SME tonearm, or the like, shouldn't cost too much. Check out this example: http://www.theanalogdept.com/bushman1.htm James soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi allIve been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available.I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ?Thanks and Best RegardsSoumi ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=wlmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Mike> > > >From: Russ Seals > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes> >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:05:40 -0700 (PDT)> >> >I need some information on some Maxell XL II S tapes that were made in > >England are they worth buying or not Mark or anybody> >> >Fred Lifton wrote: Hi David,Just FYI, there are two Freds > >on the list. I'm the one who suggested the camping supply store for > >webbing, but I am NOT the one who is selling belts. I usually try to > >remember to sign my name Fred (from Portland) to avoid confusion.> >> >> >May I also repeat other members' pleas to Ed: please stay. This bickering > >will all blow over and, in the meanwhile, it's very easily ignored.> >> >> >cheers,> >Fred (from Portland)> >> >On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote:> >> >> >> > Fred wrote:> > I have been thinking about this belt "Quest" all weekend and have come> > to a conclusion. I think the best thing for me to do is withdraw my> > product from the testing process.> >> >> > Fred> >> >> > I am disappointed that you lost your cool on this or perhaps just had a > >bad> > weekend for some reason. If your belts are good then Tom's testing can > >only> > be good for you. Tom's support and integrity is greatly appreciated by me> > and many others on this list. His effort is not a game but a real quest > >for> > answers. I for one will be guided by his results no matter what other > >sour> > comments might arise. I suggest that you rise above the minority flack > >and> > let Tom test a few of your samples as you previously offered. We will all> > benefit from an independent view. There is plenty of good will around in > >the> > calmer wqters for your efforts.> >> >> > BTW, you earlier made a suggestion for getting a replacement shoulder > >belt> > for a 550. 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Have a number of new Nak belts on their way (from ESL - Fantastic Service) to ensure that the deck has the consumables required to run it for a while. Lets keep in touch to swap ideas / we may be able to learn from each other. Very generous help that I have recieved so far from the experts on this list is very much appreciated. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 11:01:15 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:01:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the replies regarding the Sony. Interesting to know but not sure if I need another cassette deck.....unless I get rid of something to make way........??? By the way, anyone know what is the difference between the Nak test tapes DA09011A and the DA09012A? I have a DA09011A and can't really figure out how useful it is. >From: Marc Hugo >To: , >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:55:36 +0200 > >Hi Kelvin, > >I have a number of decks, including Nakamichi. The TC-KA3ES/TC-KA6ES is a >very competent machine and amongst the last of the superdecks from the >major manufacturers. It has a market parallel with machines from some >other makers such as Pioneer (CT-S740/830S) and TEAC (V6030/8030S). >Recordings on the latter - a V8030S are brilliant, make no mistake. I have >heard that the Sony also is top flight. Both sport Dolby S, which is a >revelation. Background noise is non-existent, although it is not a >especially concerning issue for me. > >However, when comparing these various marques, and I include Nakamichi, >many of them have a particular sonic characteristic which is peculiar to >the stable, whether it be Pioneer, Sony, Nakamichi etc. TEAC is pretty >neutral. I happen to like these subtle nuances, which why I also like lots >of different sorts of tapes. > >However, the TC-Ka3//6ES - that's your question - wonderful battleship of a >machine - quartz-clocked double capstan drive, motors are brushless, >coreless, slotless FG type, calibration is auto or fully metered manual >bias, level and eq, centre mount drive with ceramic holder, isolated powers >supplies (the entire chassis is split into three sections as with all top >ES models, walled-off with copper shielding, three heads, rec and pb are an >amorphous material, bias current runs at 160kHz - there's more of course - >just can't remember. > >On a quiet tape - like a true natural chrome such as an eighties BASF, or a >TDK SA-X and with Dolby S, hiss is not audible - dynamic range is -63.8 >(SA-X) + 3.6dB (315Hz MOL) + 24dB min Dolby S = 91.4dB. > >Buy with confidence. > >Marc > > >>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 4/10/2007 12:35:23 AM >>> > > >Hi, > >Anyone here ever compared their Naks to the Sony TCK A6ES? 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Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/ From danzone7 at aol.com Fri Apr 13 11:57:33 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:57:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owner "Cleaning and Maintenance Kit" List Message-ID: <009d01c77db2$28b43d60$0307a8c0@DR1> Hi all, After coveting a Nakamichi for more than 15 years, I joined NakTalk quite a while ago and "listened" to what the Nak aficionados preferred and warned about before taking the plunge. I looked around locally for a decent deck in clean condition, and finally picked up a cosmetically beautiful NAK CR-7A at a garage sale many months ago. I tested it with tape record and play back with a set of headphones before buying it, and all of the basic functions (play, rewind, FF, record, remote, displays, counter, azimuth, tape type selector, etc.) worked, although it has a couple of readily apparent performance flaws (record channel balance output is not equal, fade lamp is stuck on, etc.). The seller said that it "worked great before he put it in storage 10 years ago", which as I often read on this list is the kiss of death - ha! I purchased it anyway (it was a pretty good deal) with the expectations that I will need to put some more time and money into getting the unit fully up to spec and ready for enjoyment. My goal is to have a qualified tech go through it and fix whatever flaws it has, as well as do some preventative maintenance on parts that are likely to fail in the future. It seems like a solid machine, but I'm sure that is probably needs to have belts changed (it has the gear upgrade already), rollers addressed, some lubing, perhaps the often mentioned "orange cap disease" remedied, and possible other issues. Before I start playing tapes through the machine, my first goal was to assemble a "NAK Cleaning and Maintenance Kit". I've waited 15 years for this machine, so I can easily wait a little while longer to make certain that I have everything I need to clean and maintain the unit, and not do anything to harm it. I want to do a thorough clean, de mag and lube so that I can fully evaluate the deck afterward and know exactly what the problems are and generate a true list of problems to remedy. It is certainly probable that the issue with recording is simply a dirty head, or a problem with the actual blank tape or tape shell. However, I'm cautious and wish to engage the expertise of this forum before proceeding. I have read a number of threads recently that warn of the dangers from a drop of silicone or oil in the wrong place, threads from a Q-tip fouling rotating parts, etc. I don't want to cause more problems - as they say, "I know enough to be dangerous". In another lifetime I was a motion picture camera technician, and besides all of the specialized test machines, jigs and gauges I also had a witches brew of various lubricants, solvents and greases - each with their list of specific do's and don'ts. Many of those items might have been useful to me for this application, but are long gone now; and the expertise that went with them is also sadly pretty rusty. * My question to this forum is: What is a recommended "NAK Cleaning and Maintenance Kit" from the perspective of a newbie owner? In your replies, please specify the exact item, the specific purpose, and hopefully where one can be currently obtained. This list would be most beneficial if targeted to new NAK owners with minimal tech skills and equipment. More qualified & experienced NAK owners undoubtedly already know what is needed and what to do (and - more importantly - what not to do!). This list should be divided into a "BASIC" kit for those with no desire, time and inclination to pop the cover and dig into the guts of the machine; and a more "ADVANCED" kit for those that have the capability, time or irresistible urge to delve deeper and get to more user serviceable parts. I am sure that there are many NakTalkers on both sides of the divide, and I believe both lists would be immensely helpful. Probably just as important is the experienced recommendations and knowledge of the NAK experts (don't use this solvent on that surface, etc.). Also, depending upon where one is located in the world, there are a variety of different solvents, as well as chemically similar solvents that go under differing brand names. Since there is nothing as intimidating as a blank page, as a precursor to this list I'll get started with what I do already have or know about from my own experience: > DEMAGNETIZER. After reading many of the guru's hearty recommendations, I obtained a HAN-D-MAG demagnetizer. These are readily available online for about $70, have a protective surface to protect against accidental bumps, and have the requisite power to do the job properly whereas others that are much cheaper are apparently too wimpy (even apparently Nakamichi's own D-10 model). > SOLVENTS and CLEANERS. In my other life we used these basic solvent types, and I am not certain which ones are applicable to specific uses on the care of a NAK: [1] - Acetone. This is available in most hardware stores and even some drug stores. It is great because it dries virtually immediately - no waiting. However, it is exceedingly harsh on many materials, often will leave a visible residue (such as on glass) that requires a secondary cleaning with a different cleaner, and it will vaporize paint and melt most plastics on contact. I would assume that there are few surfaces within a NAK that this could be used on safely. [2] - 99% Alcohol. This is a much milder and safer cleaning solvent than acetone, although it takes a while to dry and also has materials and surfaces that it will damage, including many types of paint and some plastics. Most alcohol available at drug stores is "rubbing alcohol" that is 70% or 90%. You want 99%, and I was surprised that even my local electronics stores didn't carry it. When I was a tech, we would get this by the gallon from an industrial source and I never thought twice about the chemical composition. Now, trying to source a small quantity for NAK maintenance, it is a surprising challenge. I have seen various chemical descriptions such as Denatured Alcohol, Isopropyl Alcohol, Anhydrous Alcohol, tert-Butanol Alcohol, etc. 99% isopropyl alcohol is easy to locate online and very inexpensive - but is this the right stuff? I am also uncertain what surfaces within a NAK are safe or are recommended for this cleaner / solvent. [3] - BT67 / Naptha. These are two brand names representing the type of solvent that leaves behind a residue of lubricant, which is very useful in many applications. There are many variations of this type of cleaner, all of them fairly different, most of them petroleum based, and I am sure that wherever you live in the world you have access to differing variations. Many of these have restrictions on shipping because they are highly flammable. I have heard of a few brand names of these type of solvents mentioned in various threads over the past few months, but what I am looking for is the true chemical description name, and the specific uses. A note for those that will use this inside their home - most of these stink pretty badly! I am uncertain what surfaces within a NAK are safe or recommended for this type of cleaner / solvent. [4] - SOAP and WATER. I know this sounds dumb to include, but you would be surprised how many experienced techs go though a wide range of exotic cleaning solvents to try and remove a pesky residue only to find out afterward that it was water soluble and just wipes off with soap and water. Water is death to most electronics, so obviously use with caution around a NAK, and there is probably nothing inside the cover that is safe for water. But most external surfaces are safe for a soft, lint free rag (such as the cheap faux-chamois ones for sale at Costco or Home Depot) that is lightly moistened. Don't let it drip! [5] - Contact Cleaner. There are a multitude of chemically different "Contact Cleaners", most retail in large spray containers. I've used these in the past to clean PCBs, switches and dirty trim pots - are there specific types of contact cleaners recommended (or not recommended), and specific do's and don'ts for using this on a NAK? [6] - Head Cleaner. I have read that 99% Isopropyl Alcohol is not suitable for NAK heads - is that true? Is there a specific head cleaner that the more experienced members of this forum can recommend? Electronics stores routinely package "Recording Head Cleaners", however these have no associated info (VHS head, Cassette tape head, etc.?) and my local electronics stores have been no help - is there a generic chemical composition to look for or stay away from? There is a seller on eBay who routinely packages "SR-Audio Tape Head and Pinch Roller cleaner kits" (the current eBay auction number is 170100708561). Has anyone on this list used this? [7] - Rubber Roller and Belt Cleaner. I am out of my element here, knowing only that rubber is susceptible to drying and cracking, that various cleaners and solvents are harmful to NAK belts and rollers, and that there is a difference between Rubber and Neoprene care and maintenance. [6] - Connector Cleaner. I mention the brand name Caig because it seems to be universally accepted as an excellent product for the input & output connectors on the NAK (as well as other components in your system). In essence it both cleans and applies a contact & transmission enhancing film on the RCA connectors on the back of your unit. There are a bunch of people on eBay selling this product. > LUBRICANTS. I'll not go into my own experience, since it won't be relevant to a NAK. However, very recently on NakTalk there was reference to Sewing Machine Oil. I'm guessing that these come in a variety of chemical compositions and densities - is there a specific brand that someone can recommend, and for what specific purposes? Any good online sources to recommend? Here is a link to one that is for sale at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H8Q41Y/ref=nosim/?tag=dealtime-office-20 &creative=380333&creativeASIN=B000H8Q41Y&linkCode=asn - is this acceptable? Any other specific types of lubricant recommendations and specific uses would be greatly appreciated. > SPECIALIZED "DRIP" APPLICATORS . I used to have a variety of very small squeeze bottles with metal needle type applicator tips for light oils - one of these would have been perfect for the sewing machine oil. Does anyone know of a good source for these type of bottles? > SPECIALIZED "STICK" APPLICATORS. I like to use what are called "Orange Sticks". These are small diameter soft wood sticks that are sold at a variety of electronics stores. You can even use shish-ka-bob sticks sold at grocery stores, but they are more brittle and harder to cut and shape. The beauty is that you can cut the tips easily in a variety of shapes to pin point a tiny spec of lube in the right place or make a tiny wedge to scrape clean a difficult to access spot. Because they are relatively soft, they will not damage anything that you might bump into, and unlike the dreaded Q-Tip they don't have filaments to dislodge and foul moving parts. Most commercially available electronic foam swabs are huge and cannot reach tiny spaces. I am sure that there are many in this forum that have there own specialized tools and applicators - please let us know! > SCREWDRIVERS. I used to have nylon tipped screwdrivers that would not mar the anodized surface of screw heads. I no longer have these, and cannot locate a seller online. It doesn't appear that anyone has popped the lid of my NAK, and I would prefer not to mark up the screw heads when I take the cover off. Does anyone have a source for non-marring screwdrivers? > MULTIMETER. After futzing around with a cheapo unit for years, I took the plunge and bought a nice and versatile Fluke 179 Digital Multi Meter. I bought this for a variety of uses, and for the purpose of this specific NAK list it is overkill. I am sure that there are many "Advanced" NAK owners who would like to know what is a "good and inexpensive" Multi Meter that is currently available that would benefit them in evaluating and testing their beloved NAK. I've tried to keep this information relevant to the less technical NAK owner and specifically avoided the more hard-core testing tools such as waveform monitors and the Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer meant for the truly knowledgeable NAK techs. I apologize for the resulting length of this posting, but I'm confident that many others have interest in this list compilation and will derive benefit from the responses to this query. I look forward to the replies! Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And a nice set of calibration ;) http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. Dan wrote: > Hi all, > > > > After coveting a Nakamichi for more than 15 years, I joined NakTalk > quite a while ago and “listened” to what the Nak aficionados preferred > and warned about before taking the plunge. I looked around locally for > a decent deck in clean condition, and finally picked up a cosmetically > beautiful NAK CR-7A at a garage sale many months ago. I tested it with > tape record and play back with a set of headphones before buying it, and > all of the basic functions (play, rewind, FF, record, remote, displays, > counter, azimuth, tape type selector, etc.) worked, although it has a > couple of readily apparent performance flaws (record channel balance > output is not equal, fade lamp is stuck on, etc.). > > > > The seller said that it “worked great before he put it in storage 10 > years ago”, which as I often read on this list is the kiss of death – > ha! I purchased it anyway (it was a pretty good deal) with the > expectations that I will need to put some more time and money into > getting the unit fully up to spec and ready for enjoyment. My goal is > to have a qualified tech go through it and fix whatever flaws it has, as > well as do some preventative maintenance on parts that are likely to > fail in the future. It seems like a solid machine, but I’m sure that is > probably needs to have belts changed (it has the gear upgrade already), > rollers addressed, some lubing, perhaps the often mentioned “orange cap > disease” remedied, and possible other issues. > > > > Before I start playing tapes through the machine, my first goal was to > assemble a “NAK Cleaning and Maintenance Kit”. I’ve waited 15 years for > this machine, so I can easily wait a little while longer to make certain > that I have everything I need to clean and maintain the unit, and not do > anything to harm it. I want to do a thorough clean, de mag and lube so > that I can fully evaluate the deck afterward and know exactly what the > problems are and generate a true list of problems to remedy. It is > certainly probable that the issue with recording is simply a dirty head, > or a problem with the actual blank tape or tape shell. However, I’m > cautious and wish to engage the expertise of this forum before > proceeding. I have read a number of threads recently that warn of the > dangers from a drop of silicone or oil in the wrong place, threads from > a Q-tip fouling rotating parts, etc. > > > > I don’t want to cause more problems – as they say, “I know enough to be > dangerous”. In another lifetime I was a motion picture camera > technician, and besides all of the specialized test machines, jigs and > gauges I also had a witches brew of various lubricants, solvents and > greases – each with their list of specific do’s and don’ts. Many of > those items might have been useful to me for this application, but are > long gone now; and the expertise that went with them is also sadly > pretty rusty. > > > > * My question to this forum is: What is a recommended “NAK Cleaning and > Maintenance Kit" from the perspective of a newbie owner? In your > replies, please specify the exact item, the specific purpose, and > hopefully where one can be currently obtained. > > > > This list would be most beneficial if targeted to new NAK owners with > minimal tech skills and equipment. More qualified & experienced NAK > owners undoubtedly already know what is needed and what to do (and – > more importantly – what not to do!). This list should be divided into a > “BASIC” kit for those with no desire, time and inclination to pop the > cover and dig into the guts of the machine; and a more “ADVANCED” kit > for those that have the capability, time or irresistible urge to delve > deeper and get to more user serviceable parts. I am sure that there are > many NakTalkers on both sides of the divide, and I believe both lists > would be immensely helpful. Probably just as important is the > experienced recommendations and knowledge of the NAK experts (don’t use > this solvent on that surface, etc.). Also, depending upon where one is > located in the world, there are a variety of different solvents, as well > as chemically similar solvents that go under differing brand names. > > > > Since there is nothing as intimidating as a blank page, as a precursor > to this list I’ll get started with what I do already have or know about > from my own experience: > > > >> DEMAGNETIZER. After reading many of the guru’s hearty > recommendations, I obtained a HAN-D-MAG* *demagnetizer. These are > readily available online for about $70, have a protective surface to > protect against accidental bumps, and have the requisite power to do the > job properly whereas others that are much cheaper are apparently too > wimpy (even apparently Nakamichi’s own D-10 model). > > > >> SOLVENTS and CLEANERS. In my other life we used these basic solvent > types, and I am not certain which ones are applicable to specific uses > on the care of a NAK: > > > > [1] – Acetone. This is available in most hardware stores and even some > drug stores. It is great because it dries virtually immediately – no > waiting. However, it is exceedingly harsh on many materials, often will > leave a visible residue (such as on glass) that requires a secondary > cleaning with a different cleaner, and it will vaporize paint and melt > most plastics on contact. I would assume that there are few surfaces > within a NAK that this could be used on safely. > > > > [2] – 99% Alcohol. This is a much milder and safer cleaning solvent > than acetone, although it takes a while to dry and also has materials > and surfaces that it will damage, including many types of paint and some > plastics. Most alcohol available at drug stores is “rubbing alcohol” > that is 70% or 90%. You want 99%, and I was surprised that even my > local electronics stores didn’t carry it. When I was a tech, we would > get this by the gallon from an industrial source and I never thought > twice about the chemical composition. Now, trying to source a small > quantity for NAK maintenance, it is a surprising challenge. I have seen > various chemical descriptions such as Denatured Alcohol, Isopropyl > Alcohol, Anhydrous Alcohol, tert-Butanol Alcohol, etc. 99% isopropyl > alcohol is easy to locate online and very inexpensive – but is this the > right stuff? I am also uncertain what surfaces within a NAK are safe or > are recommended for this cleaner / solvent. > > > > [3] – BT67 / Naptha. These are two brand names representing the type of > solvent that leaves behind a residue of lubricant, which is very useful > in many applications. There are many variations of this type of > cleaner, all of them fairly different, most of them petroleum based, and > I am sure that wherever you live in the world you have access to > differing variations. Many of these have restrictions on shipping > because they are highly flammable. I have heard of a few brand names of > these type of solvents mentioned in various threads over the past few > months, but what I am looking for is the true chemical description name, > and the specific uses. A note for those that will use this inside their > home – most of these stink pretty badly! I am uncertain what surfaces > within a NAK are safe or recommended for this type of cleaner / solvent. > > > > [4] – SOAP and WATER. I know this sounds dumb to include, but you would > be surprised how many experienced techs go though a wide range of exotic > cleaning solvents to try and remove a pesky residue only to find out > afterward that it was water soluble and just wipes off with soap and > water. Water is death to most electronics, so obviously use with > caution around a NAK, and there is probably nothing inside the cover > that is safe for water. But most external surfaces are safe for a soft, > lint free rag (such as the cheap faux-chamois ones for sale at Costco or > Home Depot) that is lightly moistened. Don’t let it drip! > > > > [5] – Contact Cleaner. There are a multitude of chemically different > “Contact Cleaners”, most retail in large spray containers. I’ve used > these in the past to clean PCBs, switches and dirty trim pots – are > there specific types of contact cleaners recommended (or not > recommended), and specific do’s and don’ts for using this on a NAK? > > > > [6] – Head Cleaner. I have read that 99% Isopropyl Alcohol is not > suitable for NAK heads – is that true? Is there a specific head cleaner > that the more experienced members of this forum can recommend? > Electronics stores routinely package “Recording Head Cleaners”, however > these have no associated info (VHS head, Cassette tape head, etc.?) and > my local electronics stores have been no help – is there a generic > chemical composition to look for or stay away from? There is a seller > on eBay who routinely packages “SR-Audio Tape Head and Pinch Roller > cleaner kits” (the current eBay auction number is 170100708561). Has > anyone on this list used this? > > > > [7] – Rubber Roller and Belt Cleaner. I am out of my element here, > knowing only that rubber is susceptible to drying and cracking, that > various cleaners and solvents are harmful to NAK belts and rollers, and > that there is a difference between Rubber and Neoprene care and maintenance. > > > > [6] – Connector Cleaner. I mention the brand name Caig because it seems > to be universally accepted as an excellent product for the input & > output connectors on the NAK (as well as other components in your > system). In essence it both cleans and applies a contact & transmission > enhancing film on the RCA connectors on the back of your unit. There > are a bunch of people on eBay selling this product. > > > >> LUBRICANTS. I’ll not go into my own experience, since it won’t be > relevant to a NAK. However, very recently on NakTalk there was > reference to Sewing Machine Oil. I’m guessing that these come in a > variety of chemical compositions and densities – is there a specific > brand that someone can recommend, and for what specific purposes? Any > good online sources to recommend? Here is a link to one that is for > sale at Amazon: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H8Q41Y/ref=nosim/?tag=dealtime-office-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B000H8Q41Y&linkCode=asn > > - is this acceptable? Any other specific types of lubricant > recommendations and specific uses would be greatly appreciated. > > > >> SPECIALIZED “DRIP” APPLICATORS . I used to have a variety of very > small squeeze bottles with metal needle type applicator tips for light > oils – one of these would have been perfect for the sewing machine oil. > Does anyone know of a good source for these type of bottles? > > > >> SPECIALIZED “STICK” APPLICATORS. I like to use what are called > “Orange Sticks”. These are small diameter soft wood sticks that are > sold at a variety of electronics stores. You can even use shish-ka-bob > sticks sold at grocery stores, but they are more brittle and harder to > cut and shape. The beauty is that you can cut the tips easily in a > variety of shapes to pin point a tiny spec of lube in the right place or > make a tiny wedge to scrape clean a difficult to access spot. Because > they are relatively soft, they will not damage anything that you might > bump into, and unlike the dreaded Q-Tip they don’t have filaments to > dislodge and foul moving parts. Most commercially available electronic > foam swabs are huge and cannot reach tiny spaces. I am sure that there > are many in this forum that have there own specialized tools and > applicators – please let us know! > > > >> SCREWDRIVERS. I used to have nylon tipped screwdrivers that would not > mar the anodized surface of screw heads. I no longer have these, and > cannot locate a seller online. It doesn’t appear that anyone has popped > the lid of my NAK, and I would prefer not to mark up the screw heads > when I take the cover off. Does anyone have a source for non-marring > screwdrivers? > > > >> MULTIMETER. After futzing around with a cheapo unit for years, I took > the plunge and bought a nice and versatile Fluke 179 Digital Multi > Meter. I bought this for a variety of uses, and for the purpose of this > specific NAK list it is overkill. I am sure that there are many > “Advanced” NAK owners who would like to know what is a “good and > inexpensive” Multi Meter that is currently available that would benefit > them in evaluating and testing their beloved NAK. > > > > I’ve tried to keep this information relevant to the less technical NAK > owner and specifically avoided the more hard-core testing tools such as > waveform monitors and the Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer meant for the truly > knowledgeable NAK techs. I apologize for the resulting length of this > posting, but I’m confident that many others have interest in this list > compilation and will derive benefit from the responses to this query. I > look forward to the replies! > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 13 12:51:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:51:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <461EEB86.5020007@rcn.com> References: <200704111000.l3BA0XRl004149@zxe.naks.com> <001201c77cc9$128a694 0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <461E2F59.7090400@rcn.com> <461E5645.3070509@peromarta.org> <461EEB86.5020007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <461F609F.1010501@rcn.com> Here's a short list: Speed accuracy: depends on motor, drive train configuration and platter. Best technology: DD. I feel that speed accuracy is not very important, as record lathes aren't that accurate, anyway. 0.25% is good (DC is easily 0.01%) Speed constancy: (lowest W&F) that also depends on the above components. Affected by build quality more than the specific technology. 0.1% is acceptable, less than 0.05% is better. Rumble: depends on motor, platter and drive train characteristics and the amount of damping designed into the unit (including plinth design and execution). Best is DD. -50db is OK (depends on your system; high end systems require -60db or lower). Resonances. The best TTs will have very little, with very low Q. Mostly depends on design and execution quality. No spec numbers are ever published -- they would be too complicated for the general public to understand. Look for anti-resonant platter, unit plate and base (plinth). Best technology tends to be outboard motor(s) with belt drive. This also highly depends on the arm/cartridge combination. Evaluate by careful listening and comparisons. Listen for minimal coloration. All the above are interdependent. Final player quality depends on the design philosophy, chosen technologies (especially the motors and drive train) and detail, as well as the quality of implementation. I haven't even touched on the arm, whose quality is more of 'black magic' than anything else. What they do is design as best as they can, then build, test and modify, again and again, until they hit on what they feel is the best trade off. It's highly subjective, as there is no such thing as an 'ideal' arm. The cartridge is even more so. Characteristics of the arm and cartridge are interdependent for best performance, such as stylus compliance, tip mass and tracking force vs. arm mass and damping. The arm manufacturer will tell you what cartridge characteristics are best suited for their particular arm. Personally, I favour high compliance cartridges in low mass arms. Tends to give 'open', 'live' sound (but not shrill, when correctly damped). Do a lot of listening before choosing. As to building your own... Some responses here sounded like all you have to do is turn on a lathe and out will come a record player. Good luck with that :-) . -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi Ron > First off I want to know what features would I look for in an audiophile grade turntable ? > I believe there would be some pointers on the mechanics, platter, tone arm and of course cartridge and stylus. > So if I were to be interested in the Pioneer that you have, could it be a starter for an audiophile upgrade ? > > Best > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question > > >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Hi Ron >>> That was educative to say the least ... but I would appreciate if you could tell me more. >>> I havent any idea of the budget that i needed. >> >> I suggest you search ebay on 'Dual turntable'. Just >> reading the ads is educational (though keep it mind >> that for every truthful seller there are a lot of >> not so truthful sellers :-) ). >> >>> What i prefer is a manual setup where if possible, the stylus would return to the carriage. >> >> That's fully automatic. It you can live with the hardship >> of returning the arm yourself (I do and seem to survive >> just fine), you'll have more freedom of selection. >> >>> (or whatever that is) >>> Sound .. well thats the most important for me and i understand its the stylus that makes all the difference. >> >> Actually, *everything* makes all the difference... >> This includes the base, motor, transmission, >> platter, arm and, yes, the cartridge. >> >>> What i would prefer to get is a barebones system so that i can put in the required stylus etc later. >> >> Just about any player will provide the ability >> to change cartridges. The almost universal >> standard mounting is 2 screws with 1/2" spacing. >> >>> What do you suggest here ? >> >> What is your budget? >> >> For example, I have for sale a Pioneer turntable >> with an Audio-Technica cartridge. Fully automatic, >> 2 speed, for 10" and 12" records. Works perfectly >> and in good shape. Not an audiophile table, by any >> means, but still quite respectable. $75 plus >> shipping. I have been using it, very infrequently, >> with the system in my basement. >> >> Another example: I just sold my ReVox B791, in >> excellent condition with a new Shure cartridge. >> Fully automatic, with linear arm. $500. >> >> Another example: I bought a Dual 5000 in great >> condition (that did require a comparatively minor >> repair), with a good Shure cartridge. Paid just >> under $200. (This is an excellent turntable and >> the price was very enticing. It would normally go >> on the eplace, for $350 or so). >> >> As you can see, I play with the equipment almost >> as much as listen to my LPs (I have about 750, >> mostly classical and opera). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >>> >>> Thanks again >>> Soumi >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" >>> To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question >>> >>> >>>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>>> Hi all >>>>> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too difficult to construct one using whats available. >>>>> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from you gurus out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, reading list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and Best Regards >>>>> Soumi >>>> >>>> Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your >>>> chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. >>>> It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, >>>> if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, >>>> garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. >>>> >>>> Now... If you want to buy a record player... First >>>> step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that >>>> budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a >>>> player plus a separate cartridge, or separate >>>> turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your >>>> automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic >>>> (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts >>>> and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays >>>> several records automatically). >>>> >>>> All this will narrow down your choices to the point >>>> where you can start evaluating several models. >>>> >>>> Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar >>>> to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For >>>> the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products >>>> of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer >>>> full automation, for convenience. For direct drive >>>> variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this >>>> series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, >>>> I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to >>>> $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For >>>> deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, >>>> with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 >>>> (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). >>>> The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 >>>> goes for $800 to $1200. >>>> >>>> This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. >>>> This can happens when I start to talk about >>>> turntables... >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> >>>> -- Ron From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Apr 13 12:51:52 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:51:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owner "Cleaning and Maintenance Kit" List Message-ID: Hi Dan, I believe that the fader light on constantly is how it should be. My CR-7 / Dragon and ZX-9 all has the same issue. One problem sorted. I use a Han D Mag also. _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) For lubrication, I use prolong precision oil for the capstan and gear shafts if necessary. It comes with a needle dispensing tip which is very useful. found a supplier in UK after a search. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 13 13:32:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:32:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461F6A35.20801@rcn.com> Alex, In my experience, Thorens tables are very reliable. I don't count belt replacement (also necessary with Dual 5000, for example) to be a maintenance problem. Takes 2 minutes every 10 years or so. Much easier than, say, a CR-7. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Tim & Luis, > > Yes; Thorens can be also...but is NOT so "Maintenance Free"...as the > Dual per example like a CS-721 (Made in Germany!), with Thorens after a > few years you must as in our lovely Nak Decks...change the belt (Not a > big problem...but boring one!!!), SME series 3 specially for the high > compliance Shure/Ortofon.Stanton/Pickiring MM type cartridges will fit 7 > deliver the best sound together with a Thorens TD125 - 125/ll -126 - > 126/ll - 126/lll (Best of such series...once came directly from the > factory fitted with SME series 3 arm...Ultimately choice...if he want to > stack on Thorens of course!?). My Free advice! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:33:39 -0500 > From: tim.skorick at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question > > I second Luis' comments. I picked up a pristine Thorens TD165 on > eBay a while back and found a really good deal on a Shure M97xE > cartridge - after a belt replacement and fixing some cable issues > I've been absolutely blown away at the sound that thing puts out. I > marvel at how cheaply those babies go for considering what they can do. > > -Tim > > On 4/12/07, *Luis Peromarta* > wrote: > > Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 > (II) are > widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines. > > For new machines I have good experiences with Project > Turntables, which > I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" > and a 12". > > All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter > that DD). > > For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to any > Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, > or even > a straight SME. > > For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point > evo III. > For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been > recently > discontinued, or any Ortofon you like. > > My 2c. > > LP. > > > > Ron wrote: > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi all > >> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However > >> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too > difficult > >> to construct one using whats available. > >> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from > you gurus > >> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, > reading > >> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? > >> > >> Thanks and Best Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your > > chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. > > It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, > > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, > > garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. > > > > Now... If you want to buy a record player... First > > step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that > > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a > > player plus a separate cartridge, or separate > > turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your > > automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic > > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts > > and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays > > several records automatically). > > > > All this will narrow down your choices to the point > > where you can start evaluating several models. > > > > Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar > > to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For > > the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products > > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer > > full automation, for convenience. For direct drive > > variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this > > series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, > > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to > > $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For > > deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, > > with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 > > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). > > The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 > > goes for $800 to $1200. > > > > This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. > > This can happens when I start to talk about > > turntables... > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Apr 13 13:26:04 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:26:04 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 Message-ID: <244321936.660051176463564438.JavaMail.nobody@mail06.abv.bg> after my posting, i check and correct the "reel motor speed in play mode", - 4,0 V with VR 601, was very small correction necessary. The extremely high take - up torque remains. There is sliding betwenn the felt clutch and the take-up reel hub disc, but may be there is too strong friction? The tape has the big tension may be in the cassete shell, between the take up right capstan and take up hub, there is obviously too strong friction to the inner pin guide in the shell, take up side, and the tape leave rests on this pin guide. This rests after that scratch the tape. The deformation (wrapped edges) of the tape is also may be possible from this pin... Thank you, if somebody can help with advise. >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Валентин Пенев >Относно: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >До: naktalk at naks.com >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Април 13 00:47:30 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... > >Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? > >But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? > >Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 13 13:56:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:56:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK Owner "Cleaning and Maintenance Kit" List In-Reply-To: <009d01c77db2$28b43d60$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <009d01c77db2$28b43d60$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <461F6FD5.9080706@rcn.com> The list is short: Demagnetizer -- congratulations, you already have one. Head cleaner -- IPA or commercial head cleaning solution, for heads and everything else. Stay away form Acetone and MEK. Unless you know what you are doing, do not remove the cover; meaning, you do not need contact cleaner. Cotton swabs - best are those made for technical work. Q tips work fine if you roll them between your fingers before use, to eliminate stray whiskers (and use then extra carefully). Light machine oil in a tiny squeeze bottle. Small piece of soft rag. Dampen (do not wet) for outside cleaning. Demagnetize head and tape path every 10-25 hours of use. Clean the same every 50 hours or so. Lubricate pinch roller pinions and capstan bearings once a year (too little is far better than too much). That's it! Anything else is repair, rather than maintenance, and should only be done on an 'as needed' basis. -- Ron Dan wrote: > Hi all, > > > > After coveting a Nakamichi for more than 15 years, I joined NakTalk > quite a while ago and “listened” to what the Nak aficionados preferred > and warned about before taking the plunge. I looked around locally for > a decent deck in clean condition, and finally picked up a cosmetically > beautiful NAK CR-7A at a garage sale many months ago. I tested it with > tape record and play back with a set of headphones before buying it, and > all of the basic functions (play, rewind, FF, record, remote, displays, > counter, azimuth, tape type selector, etc.) worked, although it has a > couple of readily apparent performance flaws (record channel balance > output is not equal, fade lamp is stuck on, etc.). > > > > The seller said that it “worked great before he put it in storage 10 > years ago”, which as I often read on this list is the kiss of death – > ha! I purchased it anyway (it was a pretty good deal) with the > expectations that I will need to put some more time and money into > getting the unit fully up to spec and ready for enjoyment. My goal is > to have a qualified tech go through it and fix whatever flaws it has, as > well as do some preventative maintenance on parts that are likely to > fail in the future. It seems like a solid machine, but I’m sure that is > probably needs to have belts changed (it has the gear upgrade already), > rollers addressed, some lubing, perhaps the often mentioned “orange cap > disease” remedied, and possible other issues. > > > > Before I start playing tapes through the machine, my first goal was to > assemble a “NAK Cleaning and Maintenance Kit”. I’ve waited 15 years for > this machine, so I can easily wait a little while longer to make certain > that I have everything I need to clean and maintain the unit, and not do > anything to harm it. I want to do a thorough clean, de mag and lube so > that I can fully evaluate the deck afterward and know exactly what the > problems are and generate a true list of problems to remedy. It is > certainly probable that the issue with recording is simply a dirty head, > or a problem with the actual blank tape or tape shell. However, I’m > cautious and wish to engage the expertise of this forum before > proceeding. I have read a number of threads recently that warn of the > dangers from a drop of silicone or oil in the wrong place, threads from > a Q-tip fouling rotating parts, etc. > > > > I don’t want to cause more problems – as they say, “I know enough to be > dangerous”. In another lifetime I was a motion picture camera > technician, and besides all of the specialized test machines, jigs and > gauges I also had a witches brew of various lubricants, solvents and > greases – each with their list of specific do’s and don’ts. Many of > those items might have been useful to me for this application, but are > long gone now; and the expertise that went with them is also sadly > pretty rusty. > > > > * My question to this forum is: What is a recommended “NAK Cleaning and > Maintenance Kit" from the perspective of a newbie owner? In your > replies, please specify the exact item, the specific purpose, and > hopefully where one can be currently obtained. > > > > This list would be most beneficial if targeted to new NAK owners with > minimal tech skills and equipment. More qualified & experienced NAK > owners undoubtedly already know what is needed and what to do (and – > more importantly – what not to do!). This list should be divided into a > “BASIC” kit for those with no desire, time and inclination to pop the > cover and dig into the guts of the machine; and a more “ADVANCED” kit > for those that have the capability, time or irresistible urge to delve > deeper and get to more user serviceable parts. I am sure that there are > many NakTalkers on both sides of the divide, and I believe both lists > would be immensely helpful. Probably just as important is the > experienced recommendations and knowledge of the NAK experts (don’t use > this solvent on that surface, etc.). Also, depending upon where one is > located in the world, there are a variety of different solvents, as well > as chemically similar solvents that go under differing brand names. > > > > Since there is nothing as intimidating as a blank page, as a precursor > to this list I’ll get started with what I do already have or know about > from my own experience: > > > >> DEMAGNETIZER. After reading many of the guru’s hearty > recommendations, I obtained a HAN-D-MAG* *demagnetizer. These are > readily available online for about $70, have a protective surface to > protect against accidental bumps, and have the requisite power to do the > job properly whereas others that are much cheaper are apparently too > wimpy (even apparently Nakamichi’s own D-10 model). > > > >> SOLVENTS and CLEANERS. In my other life we used these basic solvent > types, and I am not certain which ones are applicable to specific uses > on the care of a NAK: > > > > [1] – Acetone. This is available in most hardware stores and even some > drug stores. It is great because it dries virtually immediately – no > waiting. However, it is exceedingly harsh on many materials, often will > leave a visible residue (such as on glass) that requires a secondary > cleaning with a different cleaner, and it will vaporize paint and melt > most plastics on contact. I would assume that there are few surfaces > within a NAK that this could be used on safely. > > > > [2] – 99% Alcohol. This is a much milder and safer cleaning solvent > than acetone, although it takes a while to dry and also has materials > and surfaces that it will damage, including many types of paint and some > plastics. Most alcohol available at drug stores is “rubbing alcohol” > that is 70% or 90%. You want 99%, and I was surprised that even my > local electronics stores didn’t carry it. When I was a tech, we would > get this by the gallon from an industrial source and I never thought > twice about the chemical composition. Now, trying to source a small > quantity for NAK maintenance, it is a surprising challenge. I have seen > various chemical descriptions such as Denatured Alcohol, Isopropyl > Alcohol, Anhydrous Alcohol, tert-Butanol Alcohol, etc. 99% isopropyl > alcohol is easy to locate online and very inexpensive – but is this the > right stuff? I am also uncertain what surfaces within a NAK are safe or > are recommended for this cleaner / solvent. > > > > [3] – BT67 / Naptha. These are two brand names representing the type of > solvent that leaves behind a residue of lubricant, which is very useful > in many applications. There are many variations of this type of > cleaner, all of them fairly different, most of them petroleum based, and > I am sure that wherever you live in the world you have access to > differing variations. Many of these have restrictions on shipping > because they are highly flammable. I have heard of a few brand names of > these type of solvents mentioned in various threads over the past few > months, but what I am looking for is the true chemical description name, > and the specific uses. A note for those that will use this inside their > home – most of these stink pretty badly! I am uncertain what surfaces > within a NAK are safe or recommended for this type of cleaner / solvent. > > > > [4] – SOAP and WATER. I know this sounds dumb to include, but you would > be surprised how many experienced techs go though a wide range of exotic > cleaning solvents to try and remove a pesky residue only to find out > afterward that it was water soluble and just wipes off with soap and > water. Water is death to most electronics, so obviously use with > caution around a NAK, and there is probably nothing inside the cover > that is safe for water. But most external surfaces are safe for a soft, > lint free rag (such as the cheap faux-chamois ones for sale at Costco or > Home Depot) that is lightly moistened. Don’t let it drip! > > > > [5] – Contact Cleaner. There are a multitude of chemically different > “Contact Cleaners”, most retail in large spray containers. I’ve used > these in the past to clean PCBs, switches and dirty trim pots – are > there specific types of contact cleaners recommended (or not > recommended), and specific do’s and don’ts for using this on a NAK? > > > > [6] – Head Cleaner. I have read that 99% Isopropyl Alcohol is not > suitable for NAK heads – is that true? Is there a specific head cleaner > that the more experienced members of this forum can recommend? > Electronics stores routinely package “Recording Head Cleaners”, however > these have no associated info (VHS head, Cassette tape head, etc.?) and > my local electronics stores have been no help – is there a generic > chemical composition to look for or stay away from? There is a seller > on eBay who routinely packages “SR-Audio Tape Head and Pinch Roller > cleaner kits” (the current eBay auction number is 170100708561). Has > anyone on this list used this? > > > > [7] – Rubber Roller and Belt Cleaner. I am out of my element here, > knowing only that rubber is susceptible to drying and cracking, that > various cleaners and solvents are harmful to NAK belts and rollers, and > that there is a difference between Rubber and Neoprene care and maintenance. > > > > [6] – Connector Cleaner. I mention the brand name Caig because it seems > to be universally accepted as an excellent product for the input & > output connectors on the NAK (as well as other components in your > system). In essence it both cleans and applies a contact & transmission > enhancing film on the RCA connectors on the back of your unit. There > are a bunch of people on eBay selling this product. > > > >> LUBRICANTS. I’ll not go into my own experience, since it won’t be > relevant to a NAK. However, very recently on NakTalk there was > reference to Sewing Machine Oil. I’m guessing that these come in a > variety of chemical compositions and densities – is there a specific > brand that someone can recommend, and for what specific purposes? Any > good online sources to recommend? Here is a link to one that is for > sale at Amazon: > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H8Q41Y/ref=nosim/?tag=dealtime-office-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B000H8Q41Y&linkCode=asn > > - is this acceptable? Any other specific types of lubricant > recommendations and specific uses would be greatly appreciated. > > > >> SPECIALIZED “DRIP” APPLICATORS . I used to have a variety of very > small squeeze bottles with metal needle type applicator tips for light > oils – one of these would have been perfect for the sewing machine oil. > Does anyone know of a good source for these type of bottles? > > > >> SPECIALIZED “STICK” APPLICATORS. I like to use what are called > “Orange Sticks”. These are small diameter soft wood sticks that are > sold at a variety of electronics stores. You can even use shish-ka-bob > sticks sold at grocery stores, but they are more brittle and harder to > cut and shape. The beauty is that you can cut the tips easily in a > variety of shapes to pin point a tiny spec of lube in the right place or > make a tiny wedge to scrape clean a difficult to access spot. Because > they are relatively soft, they will not damage anything that you might > bump into, and unlike the dreaded Q-Tip they don’t have filaments to > dislodge and foul moving parts. Most commercially available electronic > foam swabs are huge and cannot reach tiny spaces. I am sure that there > are many in this forum that have there own specialized tools and > applicators – please let us know! > > > >> SCREWDRIVERS. I used to have nylon tipped screwdrivers that would not > mar the anodized surface of screw heads. I no longer have these, and > cannot locate a seller online. It doesn’t appear that anyone has popped > the lid of my NAK, and I would prefer not to mark up the screw heads > when I take the cover off. Does anyone have a source for non-marring > screwdrivers? > > > >> MULTIMETER. After futzing around with a cheapo unit for years, I took > the plunge and bought a nice and versatile Fluke 179 Digital Multi > Meter. I bought this for a variety of uses, and for the purpose of this > specific NAK list it is overkill. I am sure that there are many > “Advanced” NAK owners who would like to know what is a “good and > inexpensive” Multi Meter that is currently available that would benefit > them in evaluating and testing their beloved NAK. > > > > I’ve tried to keep this information relevant to the less technical NAK > owner and specifically avoided the more hard-core testing tools such as > waveform monitors and the Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer meant for the truly > knowledgeable NAK techs. I apologize for the resulting length of this > posting, but I’m confident that many others have interest in this list > compilation and will derive benefit from the responses to this query. I > look forward to the replies! > > > > Dan From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 14:09:09 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 In-Reply-To: <244321936.660051176463564438.JavaMail.nobody@mail06.abv.bg> Message-ID: <513628.69710.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi your ZX9 take up reel torque may seem strong but does not cause problem. The circuit keeps the torque constant when you try to stop the reels and hence you feel the strong force and it is supposed to work that way. If you load a new cassette and see that no problem in playing - it is fine. I also felt teh same way when I first tried some new Classic transport machines. Kannan Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: after my posting, i check and correct the "reel motor speed in play mode", - 4,0 V with VR 601, was very small correction necessary. The extremely high take - up torque remains. There is sliding betwenn the felt clutch and the take-up reel hub disc, but may be there is too strong friction? The tape has the big tension may be in the cassete shell, between the take up right capstan and take up hub, there is obviously too strong friction to the inner pin guide in the shell, take up side, and the tape leave rests on this pin guide. This rests after that scratch the tape. The deformation (wrapped edges) of the tape is also may be possible from this pin... Thank you, if somebody can help with advise. >-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ >Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >Äî: naktalk at naks.com >Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 00:47:30 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... > >Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? > >But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? > >Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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God bless - and Rest Regards, Per From: Victor Trifu > Hello everyone, > I have enjoyed being a part of this group, > even though I have not posted too frequently. > For personal reasons that have nothing to do > with the group, I now have to say goodbye > and unsubscribe. > Wishing all the best to everyone, > Victor From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Apr 13 15:10:03 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:10:03 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 Message-ID: <57934708.688971176469803065.JavaMail.nobody@mail06.abv.bg> Hi! And thank you, Kannan! But I have with new TDK SA tape again light wavelike edges after 1 x play. One additional information - in the ZX 9, after I adjust the reel motor speed in play mode from 3,8 V to 4,0 V (VR 601, TP1) as in the service manual, (remain the same "high" torque), I checked this in 2 other perfect working LX 5 - and they was in both exact 2,6 V, instead of 4,0 V (!), as in the servise manual LX 5, has the same motor and may be circuit. (I measure with Fluke) Then I adjust the reel motor speed (play) in the ZX 9 to 2,6 V, it seems, that not only the speed, but also the torque decreases and now is may be similar as in the LX 5 and 670 ZX. But...is this logical and normal? Affect this "speed" adjustment not only speed, but also torque? I tought, that the take - up reel hub torque is depending only on the force of the felt clutch friction, because torque must be constant at different speeds from different tape diameter of the take up reel? Now what to do? To adjust the LX 5 to 4,0V and leave ZX 9 at 4,0 V speed? The problem with the wavelike edges ist may be only at TDK SA and SA-X last production, but my naks are adjusted at this tape... I will check the tape traveling with several other tape brands. Thank you again and may be there is some additional advise? >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Относно: Re: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Април 13 15:09:09 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hi > your ZX9 take up reel torque may seem strong but does not cause problem. The circuit keeps the torque constant when you try to stop the reels and hence you feel the strong force and it is supposed to work that way. If you load a new cassette and see that no problem in playing - it is fine. > I also felt teh same way when I first tried some new Classic transport machines. > > Kannan > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > >after my posting, i check and correct the "reel motor speed in play mode", - 4,0 V with VR 601, was very small correction necessary. The extremely high take - up torque remains. There is sliding betwenn the felt clutch and the take-up reel hub disc, but may be there is too strong friction? > >The tape has the big tension may be in the cassete shell, between the take up right capstan and take up hub, there is obviously too strong friction to the inner pin guide in the shell, take up side, and the tape leave rests on this pin guide. This rests after that scratch the tape. The deformation (wrapped edges) of the tape is also may be possible from this pin... > >Thank you, if somebody can help with advise. > > >>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ > >>Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >>Äî: naktalk at naks.com >>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 00:47:30 EEST >>---------------------------------- >> >>Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... >> >>Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? >> >>But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? >> >>Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 13 15:21:05 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <461ED1E4.5000901@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <243489.63112.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, I bought a mint one locally (mint) with original box, remote, manual, everything that came with it for $460. I had also bought one off e-bay for $300 that worked fine. Bob Marrs Communications wrote: Hello Group, What is the current value of a super clean, 100% working ZX-7? 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God bless - and Rest Regards, Per From: Victor Trifu > Hello everyone, > I have enjoyed being a part of this group, > even though I have not posted too frequently. > For personal reasons that have nothing to do > with the group, I now have to say goodbye > and unsubscribe. > Wishing all the best to everyone, > Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Apr 13 15:43:53 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:43:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Value / Willy Herman / Jeff Whittier / Fred M. In-Reply-To: <461BC413.1020706@marrscommunications.com> References: <461BC413.1020706@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <461F8918.3030709@marrscommunications.com> Hello to the group, I am making this post to publicly apologize to Wily Herman for wrongly accusing him, of purchasing a belt kit from me for his 700ZXL, because Jeff Whittier put him up to it. This was NOT the case and I want the group to be aware of it. Attached, you will see Willy's email to me about this very subject, along with his last attempted post to the group. I am also copying Willy on THIS post, hoping he will return. Please reconsider Willy! Secondly, I want to apologize for " losing it " with Jeff Whittier. I normally would not even consider making a post like that, but after 2-3 months of "dealing" with him, I had meltdown. Peace Jeff. One thing I want to reiterate, when I joined this group I had no intention of even mentioning my belt kits, but immediately had to start defending them or myself after my very FIRST post. This subject matter will NOT be mentioned again in the future. Lastly, I consider myself very knowledgeable in the electronics field, but it is obvious to me the knowledge in this group is vast. I hope I am allowed to "start over" with this group and place ourselves on common ground. I am considering the purchase of a very clean, supposedly working, ZX-7. What is the current "top dollar" being paid for them right now? Thanks, Fred M. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Argument > From: > "Willy Hermann" > Date: > Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:47:16 -0700 > To: > > > To: > > > >Hi Fred - > >I seem to have lost your phone number or I would have called. > >I want you to know that Jeff Whittier did NOT "put me up" to ordering your >belt kit. I ordered it off eBay without any conversation with him. I am >appalled by his conduct on NakTalk and have withdrawn my subscription. I >don't have time for nonsense like that. I tried to post a final message on >NakTalk, but I unfortunately unsubscribed before the message cleared, so it >kicked it. Here it is, for what it's worth: > >Hi all - > >Just a word to everyone - Fred from Marrscommunications said in his last >diatribe that Jeff 'put me up' to buying a belt kit from him. Not true at >all. I bought that kit without ever discussing it with Jeff. Fred did ship >the wrong capstain belt by accident and was VERY good about appologizing and >sending me replacements. The problem had to do with an error in his >substitution sheet -- no big deal. I was a retailer for years and have >absolutely no problem with anyone making a profit in resales. We'd all have >to research everything we bought from scratch if they didn't. > >That said, I'm appalled at how quickly the rhetoric deteriorated and, after >five big days in this group, am withdrawing. I may have been of benifit to >some of you, having worked on Naks for thirty years, but even in retirement >I don't have the time or need to read the petty jabberings of immature >people. > >Ciao > >Willy Hermann > >Thanks for your help and I look forward to receiving the proper belt from >you soon. > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am also copying Willy on THIS post, hoping he will return. Please reconsider Willy! Secondly, I want to apologize for " losing it " with Jeff Whittier. I normally would not even consider making a post like that, but after 2-3 months of "dealing" with him, I had meltdown. Peace Jeff. One thing I want to reiterate, when I joined this group I had no intention of even mentioning my belt kits, but immediately had to start defending them or myself after my very FIRST post. This subject matter will NOT be mentioned again in the future. Lastly, I consider myself very knowledgeable in the electronics field, but it is obvious to me the knowledge in this group is vast. I hope I am allowed to "start over" with this group and place ourselves on common ground. I am considering the purchase of a very clean, supposedly working, ZX-7. What is the current "top dollar" being paid for them right now? Thanks, Fred M. --------------------------------- Subject: Argument From: "Willy Hermann" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:47:16 -0700 To: To: Hi Fred - I seem to have lost your phone number or I would have called. I want you to know that Jeff Whittier did NOT "put me up" to ordering your belt kit. I ordered it off eBay without any conversation with him. I am appalled by his conduct on NakTalk and have withdrawn my subscription. I don't have time for nonsense like that. I tried to post a final message on NakTalk, but I unfortunately unsubscribed before the message cleared, so it kicked it. Here it is, for what it's worth: Hi all - Just a word to everyone - Fred from Marrscommunications said in his last diatribe that Jeff 'put me up' to buying a belt kit from him. Not true at all. I bought that kit without ever discussing it with Jeff. Fred did ship the wrong capstain belt by accident and was VERY good about appologizing and sending me replacements. The problem had to do with an error in his substitution sheet -- no big deal. I was a retailer for years and have absolutely no problem with anyone making a profit in resales. We'd all have to research everything we bought from scratch if they didn't. That said, I'm appalled at how quickly the rhetoric deteriorated and, after five big days in this group, am withdrawing. I may have been of benifit to some of you, having worked on Naks for thirty years, but even in retirement I don't have the time or need to read the petty jabberings of immature people. Ciao Willy Hermann Thanks for your help and I look forward to receiving the proper belt from you soon. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 17:00:48 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 In-Reply-To: <57934708.688971176469803065.JavaMail.nobody@mail06.abv.bg> Message-ID: <863596.4620.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your question is really a nice one - My answer is that I cannot answer this correctly without somebody like Tom or Jeff of Eslabs as a trained Nak technician could answer. But my experience is that it should be 4 V as described in the Service manual. Reel motor supply at play around 3.8 V might not cause significant change in torque but 2.6V will be affecting even tape to head contact - and play quality at HF. so that should be corrrected. Also you need the torque meter to really check the actual torque exerted on the tape. But if you want , you can experiment with 3.2V range ( on your ZX 9 and see whether the marking on the tape ( SA ) does not occur - I suspect it is not due to this but I may be wrong. Since you know you can adjust this voltage ( I have seen this adjustment on 582 but do not remmeber whether such a facility exist on ZX 9 ?) try it and it can be brought back to 4V! Kannan Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: Hi! And thank you, Kannan! But I have with new TDK SA tape again light wavelike edges after 1 x play. One additional information - in the ZX 9, after I adjust the reel motor speed in play mode from 3,8 V to 4,0 V (VR 601, TP1) as in the service manual, (remain the same "high" torque), I checked this in 2 other perfect working LX 5 - and they was in both exact 2,6 V, instead of 4,0 V (!), as in the servise manual LX 5, has the same motor and may be circuit. (I measure with Fluke) Then I adjust the reel motor speed (play) in the ZX 9 to 2,6 V, it seems, that not only the speed, but also the torque decreases and now is may be similar as in the LX 5 and 670 ZX. But...is this logical and normal? Affect this "speed" adjustment not only speed, but also torque? I tought, that the take - up reel hub torque is depending only on the force of the felt clutch friction, because torque must be constant at different speeds from different tape diameter of the take up reel? Now what to do? To adjust the LX 5 to 4,0V and leave ZX 9 at 4,0 V speed? The problem with the wavelike edges ist may be only at TDK SA and SA-X last production, but my naks are adjusted at this tape... I will check the tape traveling with several other tape brands. Thank you again and may be there is some additional advise? >-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >Îò: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Îòíîñíî: Re: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >Äî: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 15:09:09 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hi > your ZX9 take up reel torque may seem strong but does not cause problem. The circuit keeps the torque constant when you try to stop the reels and hence you feel the strong force and it is supposed to work that way. If you load a new cassette and see that no problem in playing - it is fine. > I also felt teh same way when I first tried some new Classic transport machines. > > Kannan > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > >after my posting, i check and correct the "reel motor speed in play mode", - 4,0 V with VR 601, was very small correction necessary. The extremely high take - up torque remains. There is sliding betwenn the felt clutch and the take-up reel hub disc, but may be there is too strong friction? > >The tape has the big tension may be in the cassete shell, between the take up right capstan and take up hub, there is obviously too strong friction to the inner pin guide in the shell, take up side, and the tape leave rests on this pin guide. This rests after that scratch the tape. The deformation (wrapped edges) of the tape is also may be possible from this pin... > >Thank you, if somebody can help with advise. > > >>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ > >>Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >>Äî: naktalk at naks.com >>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 00:47:30 EEST >>---------------------------------- >> >>Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... >> >>Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? >> >>But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? >> >>Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Apr 13 17:02:13 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:02:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Value / Willy Herman / Jeff Whittier / Fred M. Message-ID: Bravo Fred, Now, about that ZX-7!!! Top dollar - well I do remember an unblemished one going for the high $400s - the functional claims, well, we're all a bit conservative about expectations in that area. The problem that I notice with the ZXs is that the sellers seem to be very aware of the value of them....... Best of luck on that!! Marc >>> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com 4/13/2007 4:39:55 PM >>> Fred, Hats off to you for being man enough to say sorry. Its takes a lot of guts to do what you did. We have to heal folks! We are begining that process, I guess. Lets talk Naks in a civilized fashion openly. Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hello to the group, I am making this post to publicly apologize to Wily Herman for wrongly accusing him, of purchasing a belt kit from me for his 700ZXL, because Jeff Whittier put him up to it. This was NOT the case and I want the group to be aware of it. Attached, you will see Willy's email to me about this very subject, along with his last attempted post to the group. I am also copying Willy on THIS post, hoping he will return. Please reconsider Willy! Secondly, I want to apologize for " losing it " with Jeff Whittier. I normally would not even consider making a post like that, but after 2-3 months of "dealing" with him, I had meltdown. Peace Jeff. One thing I want to reiterate, when I joined this group I had no intention of even mentioning my belt kits, but immediately had to start defending them or myself after my very FIRST post. This subject matter will NOT be mentioned again in the future. Lastly, I consider myself very knowledgeable in the electronics field, but it is obvious to me the knowledge in this group is vast. I hope I am allowed to "start over" with this group and place ourselves on common ground. I am considering the purchase of a very clean, supposedly working, ZX-7. What is the current "top dollar" being paid for them right now? Thanks, Fred M. --------------------------------- Subject: Argument From: "Willy Hermann" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:47:16 -0700 To: To: Hi Fred - I seem to have lost your phone number or I would have called. I want you to know that Jeff Whittier did NOT "put me up" to ordering your belt kit. I ordered it off eBay without any conversation with him. I am appalled by his conduct on NakTalk and have withdrawn my subscription. I don't have time for nonsense like that. I tried to post a final message on NakTalk, but I unfortunately unsubscribed before the message cleared, so it kicked it. Here it is, for what it's worth: Hi all - Just a word to everyone - Fred from Marrscommunications said in his last diatribe that Jeff 'put me up' to buying a belt kit from him. Not true at all. I bought that kit without ever discussing it with Jeff. Fred did ship the wrong capstain belt by accident and was VERY good about appologizing and sending me replacements. The problem had to do with an error in his substitution sheet -- no big deal. I was a retailer for years and have absolutely no problem with anyone making a profit in resales. We'd all have to research everything we bought from scratch if they didn't. That said, I'm appalled at how quickly the rhetoric deteriorated and, after five big days in this group, am withdrawing. I may have been of benifit to some of you, having worked on Naks for thirty years, but even in retirement I don't have the time or need to read the petty jabberings of immature people. Ciao Willy Hermann Thanks for your help and I look forward to receiving the proper belt from you soon. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Occassional oil to the platter bearing and as you say, a very easy to fit belt once in a long while. The on board strobe makes it a piece of cake to set the speed up correctly. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 13 April 2007 12:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question Alex, In my experience, Thorens tables are very reliable. I don't count belt replacement (also necessary with Dual 5000, for example) to be a maintenance problem. Takes 2 minutes every 10 years or so. Much easier than, say, a CR-7. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Tim & Luis, > > Yes; Thorens can be also...but is NOT so "Maintenance Free"...as the > Dual per example like a CS-721 (Made in Germany!), with Thorens after a > few years you must as in our lovely Nak Decks...change the belt (Not a > big problem...but boring one!!!), SME series 3 specially for the high > compliance Shure/Ortofon.Stanton/Pickiring MM type cartridges will fit 7 > deliver the best sound together with a Thorens TD125 - 125/ll -126 - > 126/ll - 126/lll (Best of such series...once came directly from the > factory fitted with SME series 3 arm...Ultimately choice...if he want to > stack on Thorens of course!?). My Free advice! > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:33:39 -0500 > From: tim.skorick at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question > > I second Luis' comments. I picked up a pristine Thorens TD165 on > eBay a while back and found a really good deal on a Shure M97xE > cartridge - after a belt replacement and fixing some cable issues > I've been absolutely blown away at the sound that thing puts out. I > marvel at how cheaply those babies go for considering what they > can do. > > -Tim > > On 4/12/07, *Luis Peromarta* > wrote: > > Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125 > (II) are > widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines. > > For new machines I have good experiences with Project > Turntables, which > I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9" > and a 12". > > All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter > that DD). > > For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to any > Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference, > or even > a straight SME. > > For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point > evo III. > For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been > recently > discontinued, or any Ortofon you like. > > My 2c. > > LP. > > > > Ron wrote: > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi all > >> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now. However > >> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too > difficult > >> to construct one using whats available. > >> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from > you gurus > >> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers, > reading > >> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ? > >> > >> Thanks and Best Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your > > chances of ending up with a player are close to zero. > > It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good, > > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools, > > garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise. > > > > Now... If you want to buy a record player... First > > step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that > > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a > > player plus a separate cartridge, or separate > > turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your > > automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic > > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts > > and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays > > several records automatically). > > > > All this will narrow down your choices to the point > > where you can start evaluating several models. > > > > Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar > > to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For > > the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products > > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer > > full automation, for convenience. For direct drive > > variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this > > series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive, > > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to > > $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For > > deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar, > > with better motor and fine speed control) or B291 > > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control). > > The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291 > > goes for $800 to $1200. > > > > This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry. > > This can happens when I start to talk about > > turntables... > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2186 (20070413) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Apr 13 17:08:41 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:08:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: UPDATE Transistors x 2 now replaced and they are running cool. All lamps changed and they are now of equal brightness. Caps ordered from digikey to remedy (Hopefully) the recording issue (Crackling Noise) on the left channel. Just then Auto ABLE to fix. Will keep you all posted. Many thanks to Bala / Tom / Ron for your assistance thus far. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 17:29:36 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Wish you all the best Victor In-Reply-To: <200704131025.l3DAOXrl021565@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <928597.66241.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Victor it is nice to see your auction - on ebay but sad to know that your passion could not be sustained due to finacial reason. If ever you offer your machines seperately would you consider offering some of your Naks to this group at a fixed price offer before turning them on to ebay? I also want to know your experience with 1000ZXL before you leave this group on maintaining this beast. thanks Kannan Victor Trifu wrote: Hello everyone, I have enjoyed being a part of this group, even though I have not posted too frequently. For personal reasons that have nothing to do with the group, I now have to say goodbye and unsubscribe. Wishing all the best to everyone, Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also want to know your experience with 1000ZXL before you leave this group on maintaining this beast. thanks Kannan Victor Trifu wrote: Hello everyone, I have enjoyed being a part of this group, even though I have not posted too frequently. For personal reasons that have nothing to do with the group, I now have to say goodbye and unsubscribe. Wishing all the best to everyone, Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Apr 13 18:53:19 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:53:19 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 Message-ID: <1943761883.702771176483199416.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> AHA! You have ofcourse right, Kannan, thank you. The torque was not high, but UNEVEN! I cleaned very well the motor pulley, idle wheel and both corresponding parts of the reel hub and now is peace. Good reason to understand that te other LX 5 need adjustment of the reel motor speed in play - 4,0 V. Thank you and have a nice day! >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Относно: Re: Re: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Април 13 18:00:48 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Your question is really a nice one - My answer is that I cannot answer this correctly without somebody like Tom or Jeff of Eslabs as a trained Nak technician could answer. But my experience is that it should be 4 V as described in the Service manual. Reel motor supply at play around 3.8 V might not cause significant change in torque but 2.6V will be affecting even tape to head contact - and play quality at HF. so that should be corrrected. Also you need the torque meter to really check the actual torque exerted on the tape. But if you want , you can experiment with 3.2V range ( on your ZX 9 and see whether the marking on the tape ( SA ) does not occur - I suspect it is not due to this but I may be wrong. Since you know you can adjust this voltage ( I have seen this adjustment on 582 but do not remmeber whether such a facility exist on ZX 9 ?) try it and it can be brought back to 4V! > Kannan > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > Hi! And thank you, Kannan! But I have with new TDK SA tape again light wavelike edges after 1 x play. > >One additional information - in the ZX 9, after I adjust the reel motor speed in play mode from 3,8 V to 4,0 V (VR 601, TP1) as in the service manual, (remain the same "high" torque), I checked this in 2 other perfect working LX 5 - and they was in both exact 2,6 V, instead of 4,0 V (!), as in the servise manual LX 5, has the same motor and may be circuit. (I measure with Fluke) > >Then I adjust the reel motor speed (play) in the ZX 9 to 2,6 V, it seems, that not only the speed, but also the torque decreases and now is may be similar as in the LX 5 and 670 ZX. But...is this logical and normal? > >Affect this "speed" adjustment not only speed, but also torque? I tought, that the take - up reel hub torque is depending only on the force of the felt clutch friction, because torque must be constant at different speeds from different tape diameter of the take up reel? > >Now what to do? To adjust the LX 5 to 4,0V and leave ZX 9 at 4,0 V speed? > >The problem with the wavelike edges ist may be only at TDK SA and SA-X last production, but my naks are adjusted at this tape... I will check the tape traveling with several other tape brands. > >Thank you again and may be there is some additional advise? > > > > >>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>Îò: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>Îòíîñíî: Re: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >>Äî: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 15:09:09 EEST >>---------------------------------- >> >>Hi >> your ZX9 take up reel torque may seem strong but does not cause problem. The circuit keeps the torque constant when you try to stop the reels and hence you feel the strong force and it is supposed to work that way. If you load a new cassette and see that no problem in playing - it is fine. >> I also felt teh same way when I first tried some new Classic transport machines. >> >> Kannan >> >>Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ >wrote: >> >>after my posting, i check and correct the "reel motor speed in play mode", - 4,0 V with VR 601, was very small correction necessary. The extremely high take - up torque remains. There is sliding betwenn the felt clutch and the take-up reel hub disc, but may be there is too strong friction? >> >>The tape has the big tension may be in the cassete shell, between the take up right capstan and take up hub, there is obviously too strong friction to the inner pin guide in the shell, take up side, and the tape leave rests on this pin guide. This rests after that scratch the tape. The deformation (wrapped edges) of the tape is also may be possible from this pin... >> >>Thank you, if somebody can help with advise. >> >> >>>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>>Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ >> >>>Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >>>Äî: naktalk at naks.com >>>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Àïðèë 13 00:47:30 EEST >>>---------------------------------- >>> >>>Hello! I have often light warped tape at one or both borders, most at TDK SA. Tape traveling is OK, all heads, capstan and guides are clean. But the take - up torque seems to be very strong, may be 2 times stronger as in my other LX 5 and 670 ZX - controled with the fingers... >>> >>>Torque cannot be adjusted. Is it a good idea to clean with peace of paper (+ isopropylen) between the felt clutch and the disc of the reel hub thake-up ass'y? Or is it something better possible? >>> >>>But why the torque is going higher, is it not logical to be lower after time? >>> >>>Thank you all and have a nice time! valentin >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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Autos. > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 13 23:58:41 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:58:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question Message-ID: My dears Ron & Shaun, Yes...it's 100% OK...any belt drive Thorens, it's fine...also a heavy ones which I like very much of course..., when I was much younger during the 70 - till late 90ties, I own several times Thorens tables, my last one was the TD-126 Mk-3 fitted from the factory with a Sme Series 3/Ortofon OM-40 (First series Not the last one Super!)...I was very delight with the reliable & superb sound that they produce. But today I collect 4 tables, mainly the Technics SL-120/Rega RB-300 arm & today in use a Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge, trough my ARC-Sp-9 Mk-3 control unit. Also I own a Dual 721 a DD "All in One" automatic table, a Technics SL-10 also a DD very small size table & a Project once top of the line turntable which sorry folks...don't recall the model in this moment when I write you! Peace,ALEX! > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:07:36 +0100> > Couldn't agree more Ron. My TD125 is very, very easy to maintain.> Occassional oil to the platter bearing and as you say, a very easy to fit> belt once in a long while. The on board strobe makes it a piece of cake to> set the speed up correctly.> > Shaun> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> Sent: 13 April 2007 12:32> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question> > > > Alex,> > In my experience, Thorens tables are very reliable.> I don't count belt replacement (also necessary with> Dual 5000, for example) to be a maintenance problem.> Takes 2 minutes every 10 years or so. Much easier> than, say, a CR-7.> > -- Ron> > > Alex Cozac wrote:> > Hi Tim & Luis,> > > > Yes; Thorens can be also...but is NOT so "Maintenance Free"...as the> > Dual per example like a CS-721 (Made in Germany!), with Thorens after a > > few years you must as in our lovely Nak Decks...change the belt (Not a > > big problem...but boring one!!!), SME series 3 specially for the high > > compliance Shure/Ortofon.Stanton/Pickiring MM type cartridges will fit 7 > > deliver the best sound together with a Thorens TD125 - 125/ll -126 - > > 126/ll - 126/lll (Best of such series...once came directly from the > > factory fitted with SME series 3 arm...Ultimately choice...if he want to > > stack on Thorens of course!?). My Free advice!> > > > Peace,> > > > ALEX!> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:33:39 -0500> > From: tim.skorick at gmail.com> > To: naktalk at naks.com> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question> > > > I second Luis' comments. I picked up a pristine Thorens TD165 on> > eBay a while back and found a really good deal on a Shure M97xE> > cartridge - after a belt replacement and fixing some cable issues> > I've been absolutely blown away at the sound that thing puts out. I> > marvel at how cheaply those babies go for considering what they > > can do.> > > > -Tim> > > > On 4/12/07, *Luis Peromarta* > > wrote:> > > > Agree with Ron about vintage, but I prefer Thorens. 160s or 125> > (II) are> > widely available on ebay, and are great, relaiable machines.> > > > For new machines I have good experiences with Project> > Turntables, which> > I strongly recomend. I own a rare "Studie" model, dual arm 9"> > and a 12".> > > > All belt driven (to my taste, lower W&F and lower rumble, quiter> > that DD).> > > > For the Thorens, the stock arm is good enough, but an upgrade to> any> > Rega or carbon fiber Project-audio arm would make a difference,> > or even> > a straight SME.> > > > For great value MC carts, tray the hi-level sumiko blue point> > evo III.> > For great MM carts, try to find a Shure V15MR, which as been> > recently> > discontinued, or any Ortofon you like.> > > > My 2c.> > > > LP.> > > > > > > > Ron wrote:> > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:> > >> Hi all> > >> Ive been intending to buy a turntable for some time now.> However> > >> during a couple of searches i realised it would not be too> > difficult> > >> to construct one using whats available.> > >> I would love to hear more about the feasibility of this from> > you gurus> > >> out there .. what do i need to keep in mind, any pointers,> > reading> > >> list etc etc etc etc that might help me in this. ?> > >>> > >> Thanks and Best Regards> > >> Soumi> > >> > > Building a turntable does not make any sense. Your> > > chances of ending up with a player are close to zero.> > > It's like building a car instead of buying one; Good,> > > if your hobby us building cars and you have the tools,> > > garage and money to do it with; foolhardy otherwise.> > >> > > Now... If you want to buy a record player... First> > > step: decide on a budget. Second (and based on that> > > budget) consider getting a one piece solution, a> > > player plus a separate cartridge, or separate> > > turntable, arm and cartridge. Third, decide on your> > > automation requirements: fully manual, semi automatic> > > (shuts off at end of record), fully automatic (starts> > > and stops at the push of a button) or changer (plays> > > several records automatically).> > >> > > All this will narrow down your choices to the point> > > where you can start evaluating several models.> > >> > > Personally, I prefer vintage record players, similar> > > to my preference for vintage cassette recorders. For> > > the mid budget, I am preferential to Dual products> > > of the 70s-80s. I dislike changers but do prefer> > > full automation, for convenience. For direct drive> > > variety evaluate the 701, 704 and others in this> > > series $150 and up on the eplace). For belt drive,> > > I can heartily recommend the 5000 or 7000 ($200 to> > > $600. often. with a good cartridge included). For> > > deluxe features, see the ReVox B795, B791 (similar,> > > with better motor and fine speed control) or B291> > > (similar, with internal preamp and remote control).> > > The B700 series start at $150 to $600 and the B291> > > goes for $800 to $1200.> > >> > > This turned out longer than anticipated... Sorry.> > > This can happens when I start to talk about> > > turntables...> > >> > > Peace,> > >> > > -- Ron> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > __________ NOD32 2186 (20070413) Information __________> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Your friends are close to you. Keep them that way. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 14 00:10:24 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Value / Willy Herman / Jeff Whittier / Fred M. Message-ID: Hi Y'all, If you check the Naktalk archives you will find that in the recent controversy I posted exactly two very short emails. 1. Agreeing with Fred's comment that if you're not buying your classic belt from ESL, all the others seem to be more or less the same. 2. Stating that Fred's generic belts are overpriced. I'll stick with both statements. I'm trying to keep it simple and honest. I've never used any profanity and don't intend to start. So far I've spent over $200 researching various generic belts for various Nak models and am still continuing with the project. So far, I've come up with good belts for the Sankyo direct-drive mechanism and am now looking for a low-cost supplier for those belts with a minimum order of less than $25. As soon as I get a good source for retail sales of single belts, I'll let everybody know. Jeff Whittier ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 14 00:27:47 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:27:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Value / Willy Herman / Jeff Whittier / Fred M. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462003E3.5050008@xs4all.nl> And this was the last post in this series. Further posts about this 'incident' will not appear on the list. Wouter Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > If you check the Naktalk archives you will find that in the recent > controversy I posted exactly two very short emails. > > 1. Agreeing with Fred's comment that if you're not buying your > classic belt from ESL, all the others seem to be more or less the same. > > 2. Stating that Fred's generic belts are overpriced. > > I'll stick with both statements. I'm trying to keep it simple and > honest. I've never used any profanity and don't intend to start. > > So far I've spent over $200 researching various generic belts for > various Nak models and am still continuing with the project. So far, > I've come up with good belts for the Sankyo direct-drive mechanism and > am now looking for a low-cost supplier for those belts with a minimum > order of less than $25. As soon as I get a good source for retail > sales of single belts, I'll let everybody know. > > Jeff Whittier > > > From phil05 at abv.bg Sat Apr 14 00:41:43 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:41:43 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 Message-ID: <1579376163.679091176504103404.JavaMail.nobody@mail07.abv.bg> Sorry, but there is no text and i cannot open the attached file... Is this only tape deck registration request? Regards >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Hi Tech >Относно: Re: Re: [naktalk] excessively strong take-up torque ZX 9 >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Април 13 20:15:46 EEST >---------------------------------- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 14 01:38:54 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:38:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question Message-ID: <13681254.1176507534502.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Alex, Briefly, at this is really off topic, how do you compare the 721 to the Thorens/? Do you consider the 701 to be the same as the 721? I have a Sony BioTracer and it beat the pants off a TD160 that I owned shortly. The X600 BioTracer works EXTREMELY weel. Roland ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > My dears Ron & Shaun, > > Yes...it's 100% OK...any belt drive Thorens, it's fine...also a heavy ones which I like very much of course..., when I was much younger during the 70 - till late 90ties, I own several times Thorens tables, my last one was the TD-126 Mk-3 fitted from the factory with a Sme Series 3/Ortofon OM-40 (First series Not the last one Super!)...I was very delight with the reliable & superb sound that they produce. But today I collect 4 tables, mainly the Technics SL-120/Rega RB-300 arm & today in use a Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge, trough my ARC-Sp-9 Mk-3 control unit. Also I own a Dual 721 a DD "All in One" automatic table, a Technics SL-10 also a DD very small size table & a Project once top of the line turntable which sorry folks...don't recall the model in this moment when I write you! > > Peace,ALEX! > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 04:31:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:31:10 +0800 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <98047.27954.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ben, Ram, So I guess you found out that the ZXL can be fixed and it isnt too complex or hard. Its just a little more then a regular cassette deck so it requires some understanding of its nature. What else can this be but a beauty..rather imposing one that is! My sonlikes the press the transport controls and watch them magically light up... and he just goes into a reverie watching those massive FL meters..! Our success rates with this deck seems to be going up and I see others wanting to know about this performer - thats good as it means that we respect and acknowledge each others likes and tastes. Bala __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Apr 14 01:31:36 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:31:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Value / Willy Herman / Jeff Whittier / Fred M. In-Reply-To: <462003E3.5050008@xs4all.nl> References: <462003E3.5050008@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20070413233124.SRFG1236.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> FINALLY!!!!!!!!!! At 06:27 PM 4/13/2007, you wrote: >And this was the last post in this series. >Further posts about this 'incident' will not appear on the list. > >Wouter > >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>Hi Y'all, >> >>If you check the Naktalk archives you will find that in the recent >>controversy I posted exactly two very short emails. >> >>1. Agreeing with Fred's comment that if you're not buying your >>classic belt from ESL, all the others seem to be more or less the same. >> >>2. Stating that Fred's generic belts are overpriced. >> >>I'll stick with both statements. I'm trying to keep it simple and >>honest. I've never used any profanity and don't intend to start. >> >>So far I've spent over $200 researching various generic belts for >>various Nak models and am still continuing with the project. So >>far, I've come up with good belts for the Sankyo direct-drive >>mechanism and am now looking for a low-cost supplier for those >>belts with a minimum order of less than $25. As soon as I get a >>good source for retail sales of single belts, I'll let everybody know. >> >>Jeff Whittier >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sat Apr 14 02:47:33 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor's auctions Message-ID: <20070414004733.8FEA11CA38@smtp.amb.org> Wow! Even if you're not going to buy this many decks, it's worthwhile to see the photos of these auctions. "Impressive" would be a gross understatement! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Tandberg-TCD-910-TCD-3004-TCD-3014A_W0QQitemZ300101351265QQihZ020QQ http://cgi.ebay.com/Nagra-T-Audio-plus-62-other-reel-to-reel-tape-decks_W0QQitemZ300100998204QQihZ020QQ -Ti From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Apr 14 03:05:00 2007 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:05:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question References: <13681254.1176507534502.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <001101c77e30$ed869a60$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> In the late 80's I went to a high end stereo shop and told them I wanted to purchase a really good turntable before they became extinct. I didn't want to make the same mistake I made by not buying a dragon before they were no longer available! They sent me to the Sony store to order a PS-x555ES linear tracking bio-tracer, and to another competetor for an AKG P25md cartridge! As unbelievable as it was they said they couldn't get their hands on anything that would match that combination. I took their advice and never regreted it. Specs are as follows wow & flutter 0.015% SNR 78db (din-B) Speed deviation within +- 0.0003% Tracking Error +- 0.07 degrees I realize specs aren't everything and it might not have some of the character of a big old belt-drive table, but it definetly gets the job done. It may be like comparing a BX-300 to a 1000zxl! P.S. I originally wanted to build my own turntable as well but reallized that I would be re-inventing the wheel (Again!). I was also told that it cost SONY a lot more to build this table than what they sold it for, even in mass production. No way you can compete with that! 80stech ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question > Alex, > > Briefly, at this is really off topic, how do you compare the 721 to the Thorens/? Do you consider the 701 to be the same as the 721? > > > I have a Sony BioTracer and it beat the pants off a TD160 that I owned shortly. The X600 BioTracer works EXTREMELY weel. > > > Roland > > > ---- Alex Cozac wrote: > > My dears Ron & Shaun, > > > > Yes...it's 100% OK...any belt drive Thorens, it's fine...also a heavy ones which I like very much of course..., when I was much younger during the 70 - till late 90ties, I own several times Thorens tables, my last one was the TD-126 Mk-3 fitted from the factory with a Sme Series 3/Ortofon OM-40 (First series Not the last one Super!)...I was very delight with the reliable & superb sound that they produce. But today I collect 4 tables, mainly the Technics SL-120/Rega RB-300 arm & today in use a Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge, trough my ARC-Sp-9 Mk-3 control unit. Also I own a Dual 721 a DD "All in One" automatic table, a Technics SL-10 also a DD very small size table & a Project once top of the line turntable which sorry folks...don't recall the model in this moment when I write you! > > > > Peace,ALEX! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winamped at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 03:23:02 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:23:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play Message-ID: Hello All, After some searching I have found a Dragon locally that I have the option to purchase. So far I did a very quick and light initial check of the unit and it appears to play tapes fine in the "Forward Play" but when playing a tape back in "Reverse Play" there is a light audible ticking/clicking coming from the unit itself. I didn't want to play any tape very long for the chance of either damaging the unit or the tape, however, it did seem to me that the sound was a bit more obvious when playing an old(er) higher quality tape which would seem to indicate to me that it has something to do with the amount of torque required to pull the tape, since I believe that older tapes were a bit thicker(?)....I might have my info wrong on that. Physically the deck looks great (the gentleman has had it in the same location for "years" and I'd be tempted to believe it from the look of the surroundings). I don't currently have the opportunity to rip the case apart to do in depth evaluation, but I'm willing to bet that this problem sounds like something that is probably common to Dragons that others more familiar can give me initial advice on. One one hand, if this is a problem that will cost hundreds and hundreds (and hundreds) of dollars to fix, I can probably pass and continue to look around....on the other hand, if this is something that either can be fixed without completely tearing the unit apart to the bare casing, I wouldn't mind giving it a shot (and I guess that would partially depend on the availabilty of any specialized parts...meaning would I even be able to find any parts that are recommended as being bad). I will finish with this comment though. I'm not completely familiar with the workings of the Dragon, but if this is a problem that would only effect the reverse play, but the forward play would (could) continue to work fine, I could option with that as a solution too. I don't have a problem with having to get up and flip a tape over after 30-45 minutes of play personnaly - as long as the playback sound quality would not be messed up. I'm not currently planning on taping with this unit. ....but then again, I'm sure that "something" in common between the two play modes prevents that from happening!..... ;) Come on someone, tell me to "just back slowly away from the Dragon and run away!!!" (hopefully that's a funny joke) Thank you for any inputs or advice you can give. I'm completely sure that depending on your replies I'll come dancing back asking for further help. :) ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From jmcalli at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 05:04:41 2007 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <461F609F.1010501@rcn.com> Message-ID: <79.15743.qm@web30611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, "Some responses" must refer to my post. I didn't say all you need to do is "turn on a lathe." A person of normal intelligence with motivation and resources can build a turntable. It has been done, and I provided a link. When schools actually taught shop skills many people used to fabricate things. A few dedicated hobbyists still do. The turntable design would be the important part, but with plenty of examples to draw from, it's not rocket science. They're fairly simple electromechanical devices and all the more complex parts (tonearms and drive motors) are available over the counter. With access to basic machine tools it might take a weekend to lay out and fabricate the metal parts. If you can't locate a usable platter from an existing turntable you could build one, and it might take an hour to with a 12" lathe (after turning it on). For a production run, invest some wood patterns and pour the raw aluminum castings and finish machine them. Add some basic wood joinery skills for the turntable base, if you wanted to use wood. If a person doesn't have the all the skills he could find someone to assist at any stage. The original poster may live in a country where he has access to skilled artisans at reasonable cost. Soumi wanted advice and encouragement. Why would you want to discourage him if he has a curiosity in learning and wants to fabricate something himself? Do you think it will add to global warming? Cause a chain reaction that will destroy the universe? James Ron wrote:As to building your own... Some responses here sounded like all you have to do is turn on a lathe and out will come a record player. Good luck with that :-) . -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 05:13:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <98047.27954.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877790.41900.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I just cant wait to get it back now. Meanwhile, the dragon came with heads literally floating.(From Sank) This would mean, either I keep it as a parts deck or send it somewhere(Tom?) to have a proper alignment and calibration. Mr. Sank was honest enough to say he did not want to charge me anything. Its got muffled sound and doesnt even calibrate. The heads are all over town in the assembly. The motors are strong and fiesty. speed is perfect. Any advice? Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ben, Ram, So I guess you found out that the ZXL can be fixed and it isnt too complex or hard. Its just a little more then a regular cassette deck so it requires some understanding of its nature. What else can this be but a beauty..rather imposing one that is! My sonlikes the press the transport controls and watch them magically light up... and he just goes into a reverie watching those massive FL meters..! Our success rates with this deck seems to be going up and I see others wanting to know about this performer - thats good as it means that we respect and acknowledge each others likes and tastes. Bala --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 14 07:14:48 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:14:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Bala, Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's size and presence. I am now hooked on it. The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a deck sat there. I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll just have to wait for those caps to arrive! Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may actually come off worse! Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 08:48:00 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the touch of two buttons! After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's size and presence. I am now hooked on it. The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a deck sat there. I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll just have to wait for those caps to arrive! Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may actually come off worse! Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 08:52:33 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <796246.31827.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, Well obviously we can't glue things back into place. Its the heads, and nothing but the original mounts and fittings would do. Chances are we have to get parts off a parts deck to repair it. If the repair is massive, then my suggestion is to make this a parts deck. Get some photos for Tom to assess this deck..then you can better decide. Lets not scrap this deck if it can be repaired - albeit within a reasonably cost and effort. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:13:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, I just cant wait to get it back now. Meanwhile, the dragon came with heads literally floating.(From Sank) This would mean, either I keep it as a parts deck or send it somewhere(Tom?) to have a proper alignment and calibration. Mr. Sank was honest enough to say he did not want to charge me anything. Its got muffled sound and doesnt even calibrate. The heads are all over town in the assembly. The motors are strong and fiesty. speed is perfect. Any advice? Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ben, Ram, So I guess you found out that the ZXL can be fixed and it isnt too complex or hard. Its just a little more then a regular cassette deck so it requires some understanding of its nature. What else can this be but a beauty..rather imposing one that is! My sonlikes the press the transport controls and watch them magically light up... and he just goes into a reverie watching those massive FL meters..! Our success rates with this deck seems to be going up and I see others wanting to know about this performer - thats good as it means that we respect and acknowledge each others likes and tastes. Bala Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sat Apr 14 11:24:03 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070414092403.D6E461EE86@smtp.amb.org> G K writes: > After some searching I have found a Dragon locally that I have the > option to purchase. So far I did a very quick and light initial check > of the unit and it appears to play tapes fine in the "Forward Play" > but when playing a tape back in "Reverse Play" there is a light > audible ticking/clicking coming from the unit itself. Most likely the auto azimuth adjustment motor has hit the end of its travel. If the same tape plays fine in one direction but causes clicks in the other direction, then the deck is probably in need of a basic head alignment. Don't let the deck do this for long, it's surely not a good thing. > I will finish with this comment though. I'm not completely familiar > with the workings of the Dragon, but if this is a problem that would > only effect the reverse play, but the forward play would (could) > continue to work fine, I could option with that as a solution too. I > don't have a problem with having to get up and flip a tape over after > 30-45 minutes of play personnaly - as long as the playback sound > quality would not be messed up. I'm not currently planning on taping > with this unit. Even though it appears to play ok in the forward direction with the tape(s) you tested, the fact that the basic alignment is off means that when you play tapes that was recorded also with bad alignment, then the auto azimuth motor could also hit the end and click in the forward direction too. > Come on someone, tell me to "just back slowly away from the Dragon and > run away!!!" (hopefully that's a funny joke) The Dragon is a lovely machine if in good shape. I don't know about your particular example, but if a head alignment is all it needs then it's not that big a deal. I would let someone with the proper equipment, test tapes and knowledge to do it. -Ti From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 14 12:59:58 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:59:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4620B42E.5040803@xs4all.nl> That is the better ZXL talk! You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! Keep in mind this is just my impression! Wouter Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger > 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. > Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. > But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it > performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good > knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine > covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is > aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the > touch of two buttons! > > After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. > > Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their > later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise > shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. > And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Benstratford at aol.com" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > > Bala, > > Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on > them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which > introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the > larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality > of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's > size and presence. I am now hooked on it. > The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality > between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her > inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the > troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a > deck sat there. > I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and > really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the > potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll > just have to wait for those caps to arrive! > Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them > all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares > unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may > actually come off worse! > Best Regards, Ben From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 12:36:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888738.46941.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala and Ben, How true. I ve had the zxl for only a week functioning. But did it record or what! I have one tape recorded on it. A lowly Maxell normal bias cheap tape. I recroded some Indian Gazal instrumentals with deep bass and crisp highs. After recording on the zxl after the two touch magic, ( the secret is the eq calibration by ABLE) the sound was better than the cd source( a McIntosh cd player, mind you) and I am still in disbelief at the extraction of such sound from a normal bias cassette. Just waiting for this baby to come back from Tom! and then shall share more. Thanks Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the touch of two buttons! After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's size and presence. I am now hooked on it. The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a deck sat there. I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll just have to wait for those caps to arrive! Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may actually come off worse! Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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The deck plays great when I hold the play head in a certain position. The head assembly is just not right and I am too much of a clutz to try on my own. It needs an adjustment jig and azimuth adjustment( of system) Let me get the other three back. Then it will be the Dragon's turn. Thanks Does Tom have the jigs for the Dragon? Regards Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, Well obviously we can't glue things back into place. Its the heads, and nothing but the original mounts and fittings would do. Chances are we have to get parts off a parts deck to repair it. If the repair is massive, then my suggestion is to make this a parts deck. Get some photos for Tom to assess this deck..then you can better decide. Lets not scrap this deck if it can be repaired - albeit within a reasonably cost and effort. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:13:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, I just cant wait to get it back now. Meanwhile, the dragon came with heads literally floating.(From Sank) This would mean, either I keep it as a parts deck or send it somewhere(Tom?) to have a proper alignment and calibration. Mr. Sank was honest enough to say he did not want to charge me anything. Its got muffled sound and doesnt even calibrate. The heads are all over town in the assembly. The motors are strong and fiesty. speed is perfect. Any advice? Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ben, Ram, So I guess you found out that the ZXL can be fixed and it isnt too complex or hard. Its just a little more then a regular cassette deck so it requires some understanding of its nature. What else can this be but a beauty..rather imposing one that is! My sonlikes the press the transport controls and watch them magically light up... and he just goes into a reverie watching those massive FL meters..! Our success rates with this deck seems to be going up and I see others wanting to know about this performer - thats good as it means that we respect and acknowledge each others likes and tastes. Bala --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 12:44:23 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <156334.4401.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> GK, Its the NAAC azimuth hunting for a spot on reverse. It might be a small error correction issue. Bala, can you fill in here? Ram G K wrote: Hello All, After some searching I have found a Dragon locally that I have the option to purchase. So far I did a very quick and light initial check of the unit and it appears to play tapes fine in the "Forward Play" but when playing a tape back in "Reverse Play" there is a light audible ticking/clicking coming from the unit itself. I didn't want to play any tape very long for the chance of either damaging the unit or the tape, however, it did seem to me that the sound was a bit more obvious when playing an old(er) higher quality tape which would seem to indicate to me that it has something to do with the amount of torque required to pull the tape, since I believe that older tapes were a bit thicker(?)....I might have my info wrong on that. Physically the deck looks great (the gentleman has had it in the same location for "years" and I'd be tempted to believe it from the look of the surroundings). I don't currently have the opportunity to rip the case apart to do in depth evaluation, but I'm willing to bet that this problem sounds like something that is probably common to Dragons that others more familiar can give me initial advice on. One one hand, if this is a problem that will cost hundreds and hundreds (and hundreds) of dollars to fix, I can probably pass and continue to look around....on the other hand, if this is something that either can be fixed without completely tearing the unit apart to the bare casing, I wouldn't mind giving it a shot (and I guess that would partially depend on the availabilty of any specialized parts...meaning would I even be able to find any parts that are recommended as being bad). I will finish with this comment though. I'm not completely familiar with the workings of the Dragon, but if this is a problem that would only effect the reverse play, but the forward play would (could) continue to work fine, I could option with that as a solution too. I don't have a problem with having to get up and flip a tape over after 30-45 minutes of play personnaly - as long as the playback sound quality would not be messed up. I'm not currently planning on taping with this unit. ....but then again, I'm sure that "something" in common between the two play modes prevents that from happening!..... ;) Come on someone, tell me to "just back slowly away from the Dragon and run away!!!" (hopefully that's a funny joke) Thank you for any inputs or advice you can give. I'm completely sure that depending on your replies I'll come dancing back asking for further help. :) ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 14 14:56:27 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:56:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <79.15743.qm@web30611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <79.15743.qm@web30611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4620CF7B.40508@rcn.com> James McAllister wrote: > Ron, > > "Some responses" must refer to my post. I didn't say all you need to do > is "turn on a lathe." Please take the spirit of my response, rather then the wording. What I meant to say was that it is highly unlikely a one-of-a-kind turntable will even start to approach the performance of professionally designed and manufactured turntable. The same considerations apply to building your own cassette deck. Or wrist watch. Or food processor. I likened it to building your own car. Unless one is a devout hobbyist whose aim is to build a car, rather than use it, it's folly. Most people do not understand what goes into the design and implementation of a turntable, let alone understand the underlying physics and math required for that understanding. > A person of normal intelligence with motivation and resources can build > a turntable. It has been done, and I provided a link. When schools > actually taught shop skills many people used to fabricate things. A few > dedicated hobbyists still do. > > The turntable design would be the important part Exactly! That's why! > but with plenty of > examples to draw from, it's not rocket science. No, it's not rocket science. It's turntable science. Well beyond the capability of a budding analog audiophile that has never designed or even built machinery. See on the web project descriptions by people that 'built' their own plinth. Even that alone was a big project that took weeks. > They're fairly simple electromechanical devices ... The 'simplicity' is very misleading. When you look at a turntable you can't tell the huge amount of engineering smarts that went into every tiny detail. > and all the more complex > parts (tonearms and drive motors) are available over the counter. The 'complex parts' do not affect the result as much as their combination. One is most likely bound to end up with an expensive dud performing not quite as well as a run-of-the-mill $25 old Garrard changer. How will the builder control resonances in the base/platter/arm/cartridge? Yet these dramatically affect the overall sound and coloration of the turntable. > With access to basic machine tools it might take a weekend to lay out > and fabricate the metal parts. If you can't locate a usable platter > from an existing turntable you could build one, and it might take an > hour to with a 12" lathe (after turning it on). For a production run, > invest some wood patterns and pour the raw aluminum castings and finish > machine them. Add some basic wood joinery skills for the turntable > base, if you wanted to use wood. If a person doesn't have the all the > skills he could find someone to assist at any stage. The original > poster may live in a country where he has access to skilled artisans at > reasonable cost. > > Soumi wanted advice and encouragement. Why would you want to discourage > him if he has a curiosity in learning and wants to fabricate something > himself? Do you think it will add to global warming? Cause a chain > reaction that will destroy the universe? No, just consume a lot of effort and money with a small chance of success. Not very satisfying. I did not mean to discourage, but to point out the pitfalls and risk. Turning on the lathe is the tiniest part of the problem. -- Ron > > James > > */Ron /* wrote: > > As to building your own... Some responses here sounded > like all you have to do is turn on a lathe and out will > come a record player. Good luck with that :-) . > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 14 15:31:50 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:31:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turntable Question In-Reply-To: <13681254.1176507534502.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> References: <13681254.1176507534502.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <4620D7C6.5070701@rcn.com> Roland wrote: > Alex, > > Briefly, at this is really off topic, how do you compare the 721 to the Thorens/? Do you consider the 701 to be the same as the 721? How can one be brief about turntables? :-) The Dual 701 and 721 are similar in design and build. Both are DD. Both use long, low mass arm. Both are poorly damped (by design, I guess). Both are at their best with high compliance MM cartridge. I doubt very much you could hear a difference in a blind test. The 721 is newer and generally preferable. No great sonic differences if you compare the models, but could be big difference if you compare two specific units. I owned a 701 (before the 721 came out), with a Shure V15 of the day, and loved it. Replaced it with a twice as expensive ReVox B791. > I have a Sony BioTracer and it beat the pants off a TD160 that I owned shortly. The X600 BioTracer works EXTREMELY weel. I don't care much for the Sony. If you think it beat the pants off a TD160, then it's right *for you*. I wonder what cartridge you had in the Thorens table. I would think that -- everything else being equal -- it would sound livelier than the Sony. I have never owned a BioTracer, but installed a couple and listened to them briefly. I remember a stolid, over-damped presentation. I would prefer a Dual DD table any day of the week, but that's a personal preference. I wonder what Alex will have to say. -- Ron > > > Roland > > > ---- Alex Cozac wrote: >> My dears Ron & Shaun, >> >> Yes...it's 100% OK...any belt drive Thorens, it's fine...also a heavy ones which I like very much of course..., when I was much younger during the 70 - till late 90ties, I own several times Thorens tables, my last one was the TD-126 Mk-3 fitted from the factory with a Sme Series 3/Ortofon OM-40 (First series Not the last one Super!)...I was very delight with the reliable & superb sound that they produce. But today I collect 4 tables, mainly the Technics SL-120/Rega RB-300 arm & today in use a Ortofon Jubilee MC cartridge, trough my ARC-Sp-9 Mk-3 control unit. Also I own a Dual 721 a DD "All in One" automatic table, a Technics SL-10 also a DD very small size table & a Project once top of the line turntable which sorry folks...don't recall the model in this moment when I write you! >> >> Peace,ALEX! From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 14 15:46:45 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:46:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 19:05:39 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:05:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462109E3.3010104@peromarta.org> Hi Ben. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. > Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd > source? A next negeration copy is always degradated in some way. If sounds better to you is a mere psychoacoustic issue. Specifically when recording CD's, the tape hiss may act as "analog dither" (to put it some way) so some poorly digitally mastered CDs may indeed sound better. Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have > no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about > recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the > results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. You can't record off a turntable. You at least need a RIAA eq & gain stage. Most pre-amps feed the "tape out" signal from source, unbuffered, so you are basically recording off the redio or off the CD (Newer McIntosh preamps specifically, buffer the tape out). Not true for the TT, it's signal has been trough the phono preamp. > Best Regards, Ben. > > Best rgds, LP. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Apr 14 18:01:06 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:01:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think you are partly right, Ben - but the recording onto the cassette cannot be "better" than the source in as far as it cannot be more accurate. However, subjectively, it may sound more pleasant to the ear. We used to have a member on this group (may be he's lurking still?) who always dubbed his CDs onto tape usually using a CR7 and replayed them on a ZX9 because, he felt, they sounded better to his ear than on the CD or even on the CR7. The ZX9, he felt, took off the shrillness of the CD (and, to a lesser extent, the dub from a CR7), making it a much more pleasurable listen. To some, this may be indicative of the ZX9 adding colour to the music! Maybe, may be not. But who cares, just as long as we enjoy the music! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 14 April 2007 14:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 19:48:57 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <439842.17405.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive those. Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard to be believed Ben. Try it and ye shall see! You see the ZXL records much better than any other ( yes all other brands included IMHO) machine for only one reason. It can custom tailor any tape because of ABLE equalization!...and has azimuth adjustment of the record head( NO OTHER DECK HAS THIS COMBO) You could play with the 70/120 eq too if you choose to on playback....or go over or under bias too! This deck is truely a KING of cassette decks. They made this one for the future in 1980-1982 and we are in the future ......aren't we? LONG LIVE THE 1000ZXL! THE KING KONG OF CASSETTE DECKS! If I may? Regards, Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 14 19:56:54 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:56:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 20:21:03 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:21:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46211B8F.7020009@peromarta.org> Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Hi Luis, > The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I > was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of > any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then > replayed. True, but I doubt It would make a lot of difference. When using the tape out instead of a direct connection from source to tape, you use twice the wire, twice the capacitance. And the the source sees twice the load (the deck and the amp). It "could" make a difference if the input impedance of the amp is very low. Well constructed amps have Rin > 50KOhm, and Rin of the deck is about that too, so no big deal, the source sees around 25KOhm. It is certainly an issue if you connect several decks in parallel to an unbuffered tape out loop, as the source probably won't be able to properly drive that load, plus a lot C in wires, will filter out the high end. My 2c. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all > capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, > to me anyway. > Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to > other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results > from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? > I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any > different? > Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, > perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? > Best Regards, Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 20:23:47 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:23:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <439842.17405.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <439842.17405.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46211C33.9030704@peromarta.org> Hi Ram, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ben, > > Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the > 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass > department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited > to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows > and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never > get to hear those or rather perceive those. > > Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX > will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. I hope you don't mean that the deck records on the tape the missing lows and highs that were filtered out by the CD (not exactly the DAC) ;) Best rgds, LP. From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 14 20:19:43 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:19:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <439842.17405.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c77ec1$7aefeb00$7300a8c0@Shaun> >.. You see CDs are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive those. ..< Aren't they still filtered out by the DAC before being sent to the Tape In socket? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Apr 14 20:24:31 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:24:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turnable Question & Answer! In-Reply-To: <200704141000.l3EA0c7N010731@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704141000.l3EA0c7N010731@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: hello Deck designers There is an 'infamous' turntable design on the inner-net which I have lost the url for but its details are indelibly remembered by me. http://www.altmann.haan.de/turntable if this doesnt take you to the wonders i describe than use the 2nd one below and navigate back to the turntable pages http://www.altmann.haan.de/tonearm/Tonepics/Andrew's_arm.JPG or this one is reputed to be interesting for different reasons http://www.krishu.de/ If I said it would be of interest to anyone on the list who is interested in knitting, balsa wood, motorbikes and plywood and diy hifi I hope that would catch most you. Possibly catch you off balance ;-> ... perhaps we could all benefit from a group laugh ..... for some of the more august amongst us prepare to have your understanding of engineering specifications squarely confronted! I recommend these pages highly and they are all in very good taste with nothing sleazy and are like nothing you have ever seen ..... build your own turntable clearly it can be done ...... with "mums and Milwaukee's help" thanks mum jolly good wishes to you all and enjoy Ian r scotland From: James McAllister Subject: Slightly OT: Turntable Question Ron, "Some responses" must refer to my post. I didn't say all you need to do is "turn on a lathe." A person of normal intelligence with motivation and resources can build a turntable. It has been done, and I provided a link. When schools actually taught shop skills many people used to fabricate things. A few dedicated hobbyists still do. The turntable design would be the important part, but with plenty of examples to draw from, it's not rocket science. They're fairly simple electromechanical devices and all the more complex parts (tonearms and drive motors) are available over the counter. With access to basic machine tools it might take a weekend to lay out and fabricate the metal parts. If you can't locate a usable platter from an existing turntable you could build one, and it might take an hour to with a 12" lathe (after turning it on). For a production run, invest some wood patterns and pour the raw aluminum castings and finish machine them. Add some basic wood joinery skills for the turntable base, if you wanted to use wood. If a person doesn't have the all the skills he could find someone to assist at any stage. The original poster may live in a country where he has access to skilled artisans at reasonable cost. Soumi wanted advice and encouragement. Why would you want to discourage him if he has a curiosity in learning and wants to fabricate something himself? Do you think it will add to global warming? Cause a chain reaction that will destroy the universe? James Ron wrote:As to building your own... Some responses here sounded like all you have to do is turn on a lathe and out will come a record player. Good luck with that :-) . -- Ron From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sat Apr 14 20:28:03 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:28:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 600 transport stuck with photo.. Message-ID: hi i'm interested in a 600 version 1, I think, that doesn't play, RW or FF... play holds down for a few seconds then pops up.. no movement to the transport in any mode. I don't know much else about it. ..linked below is a picture of the head area: www.thegreatbear.net/images/600_head_area.jpg terrible looking wear on the pinch roller and very dirty.. does anything else look terminal here?.. the heads look not too worn to me, am i right? Are 600 pinch rollers still available or "re-rubberable"? I'd like a deck that is fixable but not a parts deck.. thanks for help.. adrian From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Apr 14 20:49:18 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:49:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs References: <462109E3.3010104@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <006601c77ec5$9d40b870$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Well in some cases a copy from a digital source CAN sound better than the original. I remember reading about this phenomenon in the highly regarded Danish magazine High Fidelity. Especially a harsh recording can be smoothed by the noise added so that it sounds better - or more friendly to the ear. But that was back in the eighties with CD players still in its childhood. I look forward to test this when my naks and my hifi is perfectly set up (when will that be, sigh...) Best Regards, Per. PS: Please note, you that read the daily digest, that I cut away all the text that was not needed for this post to be understood :-) From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 20:59:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <315738.33803.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ditto all of the below statements. The key words being as long as we love the music and how it sounds. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: I think you are partly right, Ben - but the recording onto the cassette cannot be "better" than the source in as far as it cannot be more accurate. However, subjectively, it may sound more pleasant to the ear. We used to have a member on this group (may be he's lurking still?) who always dubbed his CDs onto tape usually using a CR7 and replayed them on a ZX9 because, he felt, they sounded better to his ear than on the CD or even on the CR7. The ZX9, he felt, took off the shrillness of the CD (and, to a lesser extent, the dub from a CR7), making it a much more pleasurable listen. To some, this may be indicative of the ZX9 adding colour to the music! Maybe, may be not. But who cares, just as long as we enjoy the music! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 14 April 2007 14:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 21:01:07 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <728511.14076.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winamped at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 21:03:44 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:03:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play Message-ID: Hello Ti and shanti and thanks for your replies. So it sounds as if you're each thinking it could be the showing of two possible problems? I think I'm reading you each correctly. Without tearing the unit apart, is there some test I could try with a tape to help get more information that I could provide if need be? As I said, the gentleman I've been speaking to on this is allowing me access to the deck (although I won't be able to get out to his place for a day or two) so I can try something else if need be. Also, if I'm replying to my own post incorrectly I apoligize to everyone. I've done newsgroups and chat groups before but never a mailing list so I'm trying to figure out how to reply within a thread. And I do agree with Ti on the Dragon being really nice. That's why I'm willing to take it needing some work as long as it is feasable to fix (or have fixed) without taking a loan out on my car! :) Thanks all- ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From winamped at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 21:16:52 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why No List Of Service Centers Message-ID: Hello All, I'm a new kid on the block here so maybe this has been addressed before: Why doesn't naks.com have a link to a page of service centers/shops that work on Nakimichi decks? Just from doing a simple search on Google, it doesn't seem to be the easiest to decypher with some of the links that come up. Maybe it's considered an endorsement which would be viewed bad?...it also sounds as if some folks here do some "tinkering" as something of a side project/hobby (not to miminmalize what you all do, just that a number of you seem to have a lot of fun at it regardless of a finacial exchange). It's great that they do that, but they could be asked if they wanted to be listed or left off. The current "Links" page has a pointer to "Sonic Sense" but that appears to be because of the Nakamichi overview that's given and not a reference to any work they do anymore. It just seems that unless a person writes down individual comments in postings when they happen to come up, that you have to dig through the archived messages to find anyone other than Eslabs....who I'm not bashing here, but who knows, I might have a place/person right around the corner from where I live that I didn't even know existed. It's not quit fair to compare that it's like taking your car to the Ford dealer in the next state because you don't know about the one around the corner, but hopefully you get my point. Honestly, if you gave me the option to drive an hour or two away to a shop (and talk to the people personally) or box up and mail a deck across the country....I'd at least make the drive just so I could check out the local place. I'm certainly not getting on anyone about "not" having a listing here at Naks, it just seems like it would be the best way to share that type of information to everyone considering how long this site has been around. There wouldn't even have to be any mention of what each place does/how good or bad they are/how much they charge, just contact info...at least then people would have a starting point to ask in the discussion area here. I'm sure there's a sensible reason that once someone tells me a light bulb will go off in my head, but I just can't think of one at the moment....maybe there's only 2 places on the earth that work on them anymore and all the regulars know about them and I just haven't been around long enough to know that. Can someone please help to educate me? I know...I'm being a pest...Thanks for being patient! ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Apr 14 21:56:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:56:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: > Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette > on the 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in > the bass department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs > are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and > therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by > the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive > those. > > Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/ > 670ZX will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. > Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard to be believed Ben. Try > it and ye shall see! > This is sort of the age-old question of what "better" means. Does the signal off a badly scratched record sound better or worse after it's been through a click/pop filter? Well, yes and no. Yes, it is probably more pleasant. No, it is not "accurate" with respect to the original as the record. On the other hand, it's more accurate with respect to the original recording, at least in the sense that the clicks & pops weren't in the "original" recording. Trouble is, none of us knows what the original ("live") recording sounded like, and we would hear it differently even if we were all present. So there's no simple answer to that question. > I was thinking about recording direct off a > turntable or off the radio to compare the results. FM is limited to 15kHz top. Now, at my age, even though my hearing is probably better than most my age (and some younger, I don't hear like I used to so it's probably not as big a deal. This is even if you have a good station (we have a very good classical public radio station locally that I like and record from a lot); it's inherent in the way FM standards are designed. That doesn't mean you can't get a "good" recording from FM, but it won't necessarily show the deck off either (only show up more egregious defects).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sat Apr 14 22:38:51 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070414203851.A01F91EE43@smtp.amb.org> G K writes: > Hello Ti and shanti and thanks for your replies. So it sounds as if > you're each thinking it could be the showing of two possible problems? > I think I'm reading you each correctly. > > Without tearing the unit apart, is there some test I could try with a > tape to help get more information that I could provide if need be? Does the clicking happen while one of the green arrow auto azimuth indicator light on the cassette door is blinking? -Ti From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 22:45:27 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:45:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Why No List Of Service Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46213D67.4040101@peromarta.org> I am not too sure if I should put this link here but here I go: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=links G K wrote: > Hello All, > I'm a new kid on the block here so maybe this has been addressed before: > > Why doesn't naks.com have a link to a page of service centers/shops > that work on Nakimichi decks? Just from doing a simple search on > Google, it doesn't seem to be the easiest to decypher with some of the > links that come up. > From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 22:50:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:50:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46213E98.5050302@peromarta.org> If the machines is in good mechanical shape, i.e. it plays in both directions, FF, REW, and records, and cosmetics are nice, get the dragon. Send it out for service for a full clean / demag / calibration, The azimuth clicking is due to poor PB head alignment, if it's only heard in one direction. You can try to do it yourself too. http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html Best rgds, LP. G K wrote: > Hello Ti and shanti and thanks for your replies. So it sounds as if > you're each thinking it could be the showing of two possible problems? > I think I'm reading you each correctly. > > Without tearing the unit apart, is there some test I could try with a > tape to help get more information that I could provide if need be? As > I said, the gentleman I've been speaking to on this is allowing me > access to the deck (although I won't be able to get out to his place > for a day or two) so I can try something else if need be. > > Also, if I'm replying to my own post incorrectly I apoligize to > everyone. I've done newsgroups and chat groups before but never a > mailing list so I'm trying to figure out how to reply within a thread. > > And I do agree with Ti on the Dragon being really nice. That's why > I'm willing to take it needing some work as long as it is feasable to > fix (or have fixed) without taking a loan out on my car! :) > > Thanks all- > > ___________________________________________________________ > Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. > Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 14 22:55:58 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:55:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 600 transport stuck with photo.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46213FDE.8080201@peromarta.org> Could be a belt problem too, or it may need a motor re-build. She had similar problems... : http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/600II.html best rgds, LP. adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi > > i'm interested in a 600 version 1, I think, that doesn't play, RW or > FF... play holds down for a few seconds then pops up.. no movement to > the transport in any mode. I don't know much else about it. > > ..linked below is a picture of the head area: > > www.thegreatbear.net/images/600_head_area.jpg > > > terrible looking wear on the pinch roller and very dirty.. does anything > else look terminal here?.. the heads look not too worn to me, am i right? > > Are 600 pinch rollers still available or "re-rubberable"? > > I'd like a deck that is fixable but not a parts deck.. > > > thanks for help.. > > > adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark.l.caton at btinternet.com Sat Apr 14 23:27:05 2007 From: mark.l.caton at btinternet.com (Mark Caton) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:27:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turnable Question & Answer! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c77edb$a692e1d0$0602a8c0@markantec> Hey Ian, I enjoyed that - great read, and good pics. Puts my tweaking in the shade. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: 14 April 2007 19:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT: Turnable Question & Answer! hello Deck designers There is an 'infamous' turntable design on the inner-net which I have lost the url for but its details are indelibly remembered by me. http://www.altmann.haan.de/turntable if this doesnt take you to the wonders i describe than use the 2nd one below and navigate back to the turntable pages http://www.altmann.haan.de/tonearm/Tonepics/Andrew's_arm.JPG or this one is reputed to be interesting for different reasons http://www.krishu.de/ If I said it would be of interest to anyone on the list who is interested in knitting, balsa wood, motorbikes and plywood and diy hifi I hope that would catch most you. Possibly catch you off balance ;-> ... perhaps we could all benefit from a group laugh ..... for some of the more august amongst us prepare to have your understanding of engineering specifications squarely confronted! I recommend these pages highly and they are all in very good taste with nothing sleazy and are like nothing you have ever seen ..... build your own turntable clearly it can be done ...... with "mums and Milwaukee's help" thanks mum jolly good wishes to you all and enjoy Ian r scotland From: James McAllister Subject: Slightly OT: Turntable Question Ron, "Some responses" must refer to my post. I didn't say all you need to do is "turn on a lathe." A person of normal intelligence with motivation and resources can build a turntable. It has been done, and I provided a link. When schools actually taught shop skills many people used to fabricate things. A few dedicated hobbyists still do. The turntable design would be the important part, but with plenty of examples to draw from, it's not rocket science. They're fairly simple electromechanical devices and all the more complex parts (tonearms and drive motors) are available over the counter. With access to basic machine tools it might take a weekend to lay out and fabricate the metal parts. If you can't locate a usable platter from an existing turntable you could build one, and it might take an hour to with a 12" lathe (after turning it on). For a production run, invest some wood patterns and pour the raw aluminum castings and finish machine them. Add some basic wood joinery skills for the turntable base, if you wanted to use wood. If a person doesn't have the all the skills he could find someone to assist at any stage. The original poster may live in a country where he has access to skilled artisans at reasonable cost. Soumi wanted advice and encouragement. Why would you want to discourage him if he has a curiosity in learning and wants to fabricate something himself? Do you think it will add to global warming? Cause a chain reaction that will destroy the universe? James Ron wrote:As to building your own... Some responses here sounded like all you have to do is turn on a lathe and out will come a record player. Good luck with that :-) . -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From winamped at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 23:07:04 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:07:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Why No List Of Service Centers Message-ID: Thank you for the link. Now that I feel like an idiot, how did I miss that subpage of naks.com? I honestly don't see it on the main page anywhere. Unless it's a sub of a sub page that I didn't see. But I was close on the number of shops....instead of the earth, there's two listed in the US! :) = = = Original message = = = I am not too sure if I should put this link here but here I go: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=links ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 15 00:30:43 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:30:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimo But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they can't be in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I missing something? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 14 April 2007 20:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive those. Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard to be believed Ben. Try it and ye shall see! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 15 00:42:42 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <728511.14076.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909539.52683.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 15 01:12:45 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:12:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Why No List Of Service Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46215FED.3020804@xs4all.nl> Why? Because it's kind of unofficial and started for the 'gauges project' and grew into this, still a work in progress. Wouter G K wrote: > Thank you for the link. Now that I feel like an idiot, how did I miss > that subpage of naks.com? I honestly don't see it on the main page > anywhere. Unless it's a sub of a sub page that I didn't see. > > But I was close on the number of shops....instead of the earth, > there's two listed in the US! :) > > = = = Original message = = = > > I am not too sure if I should put this link here but here I go: > > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=links > > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Apr 15 02:08:07 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:08:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Graham, you only pasted in my quote of Ram. I was making the same point you are below it... > But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they > can't be > in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I > missing > something? > > Gra' > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Apr 15 02:46:06 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:46:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <15940AFD-8D24-449B-81AE-2D77C6E98FD7@alumni.caltech.edu> > The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - > 25kHz +/- 3db. First, just because it's only +/-3 down to 18, doesn't mean it can't put enough out to cause some issues at, say, 15Hz or so (e.g. even if it's -6). Since the deck does the RAMM encoding using a 5Hz tone, the bare response on the heads and basic R/P circuitry ness to be able to get something (although not necessarily flat) out of that; the limitation 20Hz or whatever is done later in the electronics. That said, I don't actually like using the subsonic filter in the ZXL because it isn't particularly good (one of its few weak points). At least some review of it both measured and commented (so not likely a typo) on the fact that it isn't particularly low or have a particularly steep cutoff at 20Hz, and so can affect things in teh 20-40Hz range (I can't recall the actual spec, but I think it's in the Audio magazine review that's on Bleus' site). For this reason, I prefer to record with no filtration and just always use the subsonic filter in my receiver, which is 18dB/oct below 15Hz and thus seems less likely to affect frequencies above 20Hz. I seem to recall the review suggested that it might be because of confusing the RAMM circuitry (which is mentioned as the actual reason to use the subsonic filter in the OM) the cutoff may have had to be higher and/or the slope less steep.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winamped at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 02:26:50 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:26:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon "Ticking/Clicking" In Reverse Play Message-ID: >Does the clicking happen while one of the green arrow auto azimuth >indicator light on the cassette door is blinking? > >-Ti Ti, You're right, I forgot to mention that with everything else I wrote. The light does flash while in "Reverse Play" while it is solid in "Forward Play." Something else that I'm pretty sure I noticed was that when I hit the "Stop" button, the ticking did not stop right immediately, but seemed to slow down for an additional one or two ticks (ticktickticktick(hit stop)..tick....tick). Guess this isn't sounding promising.... Luis Peromarta, That's a really nice site and set of directions you have. I'm impressed. I'm also thinking that I might try to ebay a $$ Nak "before" I'd want to try working on a $$$$ Dragon (not the funniest joke, but I try). In seriousness though...since the thought has occured to me, I'm almost tempted to do something like that. Owning an older deck (and especially a Dragon) it would probably make sense for me to try out some maintenance on a simpler (read that as less expensive) deck to start off with so I know more for when (not if) I have problems down the road. Years back I did some electronics component repair so I'd expect that with some practice common tasks such as board soldering and wiring would be very much the same. Anyways, I talk too much....I'll think about doing work on a Dragon but it's the comfort factor of having someone who knows what they're doing working on it by sending it out. Of course, it appears that there are only two places in the US that do that by the other message I have here. ;) Thanks for everyone's continued patience. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From winamped at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 02:41:09 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:41:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Why No List Of Service Centers Message-ID: >Why? >Because it's kind of unofficial and started for the 'gauges project' and >grew into this, still a work in progress. > >Wouter Wouter, Thanks for the info. I don't know what the guages project is (sorry, must've missed that reading through the archives)...it's probably not relavant to this thread so no need to explain. Well, as a follow-up question...so should people be contacting naks.com administration with a heads up when they find a shop that works on Nakimichis (works on them the "right" way that is)? Could be something I'm poking my nose into that's been going on in the background-sorry if so.... I mean if people submitted messages with a title something like "Nak Servicing Shop Update-Please Update List" then I'd imagine the mimimum to be done would be to take the info at face value and add it to a list, but maybe some additional work would be involved, to ensure covering your backside, by contacting said location/individual and asking for permission to list them. Argh!....I really need to just shut up and settle down I guess. I don't mean to come in like a bull to a china store since you've all been here for years. Second nature from my professional life that I find hard to clamp off when I'm not working-plus too much caffeine. Please carry on... :) ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 15 02:53:51 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:53:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Humble and grovelling apologies, Kimo ... please understand my brain isn't in gear today !!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 15 April 2007 01:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Graham, you only pasted in my quote of Ram. I was making the same point you are below it... But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they can't be in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I missing something? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 03:53:02 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding a manual In-Reply-To: <001101c77e30$ed869a60$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <20070415015302.82198.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys. I'm doing some research for my remote projects and am looking for the service manuals for either the 580M or the 581. If anyone has an electronic copy I would really appreciate it. Email me directly at p9019 at yahoo.com Thanks, Scott J. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 03:54:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259032.96735.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, What are we missing. in digital? The great sound ! Thats all that we are missing. Theory and practice are totally different... arent they? Analogue just sounds better, may be the human hearing mechanism has to have some theoretical distortion for perception of smooth! Thats why we all say( most) that digital is harsh...dont we Gra? Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Kimo But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they can't be in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I missing something? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 14 April 2007 20:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive those. Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard to be believed Ben. Try it and ye shall see! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 04:03:08 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <909539.52683.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17104.72675.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 04:26:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <830408.58023.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I can answer that question having put both the 1000ZXL and Dragon on a live reocord mix. This was a stage event and all I was given was the signal feed from a 32 channel mixer from some guys who thought that cassettes were a pre-historic museam piece. Both decks ran on consequtive days with the ZXL taking side A and Dragon taking Side B of the same tape (TDK-MAXG). The ZXL was simply input equals to output. Period. With the Dragon...well..you can hear the characteristic tape compression somewhat, and it started clipping when transients closed in at about +8dB. Is it a bad deck? No...certainly not! But definitely not cut out for this purpose. When playing back the tape at home, it just shook me how real the ZXL capture was and it was like listening to reel to reel. The best way to experience is to record at home of a good direct cut LP. I like using some direct cuts like the Three Blind Mice series, or some older Latin ones from Toshiba and Denon. It not only gives a good bass, but also makes you feel the dynamic power cassettes can give. Suprisingly, the same cuts recorded on a Sony W33 recorder gives what one would expect out of a CD. Is cassette better then CD? This is a rough comparison and more of us need to experience it before coming to any opinion. And with these machines, what the specs dont tell you, your ears will. When you listen to the ZXL, you can definitely tell that this guy is playing way way lower than the 680ZX. And its more smoother and sustained........ In my recordings, I've never used the filters and the Bias switch is in the normal position. When I get the time, i am going to try this one. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:56:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to hear those or rather perceive those. Playing back on the zxl or the Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard to be believed Ben. Try it and ye shall see! This is sort of the age-old question of what "better" means. Does the signal off a badly scratched record sound better or worse after it's been through a click/pop filter? Well, yes and no. Yes, it is probably more pleasant. No, it is not "accurate" with respect to the original as the record. On the other hand, it's more accurate with respect to the original recording, at least in the sense that the clicks & pops weren't in the "original" recording. Trouble is, none of us knows what the original ("live") recording sounded like, and we would hear it differently even if we were all present. So there's no simple answer to that question. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. FM is limited to 15kHz top. Now, at my age, even though my hearing is probably better than most my age (and some younger, I don't hear like I used to so it's probably not as big a deal. This is even if you have a good station (we have a very good classical public radio station locally that I like and record from a lot); it's inherent in the way FM standards are designed. That doesn't mean you can't get a "good" recording from FM, but it won't necessarily show the deck off either (only show up more egregious defects).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 04:31:37 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <27968.75748.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, Once someone gave me a badly done minidisc in which the digital nastines with all its shrill and pitch was crystal clear. Their claim was that this was a high-def recording. I trasnferred it to tape on my 680ZX but its was not good. Eventually, I used my 600 to do the tranfer onto chrome tape. The person was stunned! I just couldn't help but laugh. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:01:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I think you are partly right, Ben - but the recording onto the cassette cannot be "better" than the source in as far as it cannot be more accurate. However, subjectively, it may sound more pleasant to the ear. We used to have a member on this group (may be he's lurking still?) who always dubbed his CDs onto tape usually using a CR7 and replayed them on a ZX9 because, he felt, they sounded better to his ear than on the CD or even on the CR7. The ZX9, he felt, took off the shrillness of the CD (and, to a lesser extent, the dub from a CR7), making it a much more pleasurable listen. To some, this may be indicative of the ZX9 adding colour to the music! Maybe, may be not. But who cares, just as long as we enjoy the music! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 14 April 2007 14:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 15 04:49:12 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <17104.72675.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <115128.83292.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 15 06:13:10 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:13:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just what does Tri-tracer mean? Message-ID: <20070415041258.TNTB1288.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I see an awful lot of these decks on eBay but never knew what Tri-tracer meant. Are they all three headed decks? From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 15 12:17:03 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:17:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just what does Tri-tracer mean? Message-ID: Hello Roland! Yes!!! 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URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 15 12:27:46 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:27:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with new recording Message-ID: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias Osc circuit'. I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is damaged when their failure occurs. The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both labelled 47000P[G] ]. My questions for the group are - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the Dolby C inclusion ?] - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. Tolerance: ±10% Working voltage: 100Vdc Temperature range: -40C to +85C Value (µF) Case Size (mm) B H L Pitch 0.001 2.8 10 5.3 3 0.0022 2.9 10 5.5 3.5 0.0047 3.1 12.5 5.8 3.5 Thanks Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 12:31:06 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <115128.83292.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <232107.49957.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 15 13:23:22 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:23:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." In-Reply-To: <232107.49957.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who remember it ... A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story directly from their designer at that time. In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 15 April 2007 11:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 14:02:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <112157.52836.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, Respectfully, I do not imagine anything. Hearing is(or you may call Listening) is truely believing. And I am not selling anything here. Just MHO. Thats all! Take it or leave it. I still do not believe that specs are important but not everything. Its the subtleties that matter. Thats why we are so passionate about our Naks. Most at least! Refards Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who remember it ... A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story directly from their designer at that time. In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 15 April 2007 11:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Apr 15 14:22:18 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:22:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Why No List Of Service Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <462218FA.60201@xs4all.nl> Hi GK, Well those listed there are the ones talked about on naktalk and 'trusted' in one way or another (cheap or expensive). In the 'old days' Stephen Sank would have been listed but he seemed to have stopped servicing Naks. If anyone wants to contact Tom van der Hoff contact me off-list, you must be willing to bring and collect your Nak (personally) next to Rotterdam (The Netherlands) form him to do servicing. I think adding ones is not that easy since it requires special skills/tools to repair naks. And the gauges project is a recent project where some naktalk members are in the process of 'cloning' the Nakamichi gauges needed to calibrate the heads/transport, cloning because there are rare to find! Wouter G K wrote: >> Why? >> Because it's kind of unofficial and started for the 'gauges project' and >> grew into this, still a work in progress. >> >> Wouter > > Wouter, > Thanks for the info. I don't know what the guages project is (sorry, > must've missed that reading through the archives)...it's probably not > relavant to this thread so no need to explain. > Well, as a follow-up question...so should people be contacting > naks.com administration with a heads up when they find a shop that > works on Nakimichis (works on them the "right" way that is)? Could be > something I'm poking my nose into that's been going on in the > background-sorry if so.... > > I mean if people submitted messages with a title something like "Nak > Servicing Shop Update-Please Update List" then I'd imagine the mimimum > to be done would be to take the info at face value and add it to a > list, but maybe some additional work would be involved, to ensure > covering your backside, by contacting said location/individual and > asking for permission to list them. > > Argh!....I really need to just shut up and settle down I guess. I > don't mean to come in like a bull to a china store since you've all > been here for years. Second nature from my professional life that I > find hard to clamp off when I'm not working-plus too much caffeine. > Please carry on... :) > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 15 17:18:41 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:18:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46224251.1050109@rcn.com> Explains why 'non believers' insist on blind (better still, double blind) listening tests. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may > differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains > want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who > remember it ... > > A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" > speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain > coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't > make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all > identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the > cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They > consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse > than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the > viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight > of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any > difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all > to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story > directly from their designer at that time. > > In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor > other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with > regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran > *Sent:* 15 April 2007 11:31 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > > I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure > that came with the deck. > It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) > > You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com > > I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. > There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. > But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really > matters. Hearing is believing. > > The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a > little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with > Bala....and its only MHO.:) > > > Thanks. > Ram From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 15 16:41:38 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <232107.49957.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691081.25151.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just want to know whether the specifciation on the ZXL have changed during its production cycle. I have the owner/service manuals and the brochures of the ZXL and the tolerances are higher than what you mention in your previous messages. If that turn out that your machine have lower numbers, then I just want to update my reference data base of this deck. Most of the brochures and test reports available in the internet on the 1000ZXL have the same numbers as I have seen and that is why I am interested to know whether along the production cycle of the ZXL, Nakamaichi has improved the electrical performance of the deck. Thanks, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Taking this a step further, "Hearing is Believing" is the main reason the esoteric "high end" consumer electronics business exist. An example would be using zip cord for speaker wire instead of Monster cable, and how it is twisted. I am NOT defending zip cord but only using this as a example. I will go out on a limb and say my belief is, as long as you use more than sufficient cable size (gauge), based on the length of the run, and silver, copper or "gold" is used for capacitance reasons, you can hear NO difference. How the signal "travels" on the conductor, is Smoke and Mirrors. Yet, most people would fight to the death against this theory. Another widely unknown fact, you can take any particular product and remove it from Bland $.05 packaging, place it in a " high quality" $.35 package and sales will increase 2 fold just because of consumers perception. Same applies to the cosmetics of electronics equipment. An example would be Teac vs Tascam, although they used Tascam to approach a different market. As you said, for the most part, it's ALL in the mind! Fred From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 15 18:25:03 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:25:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." In-Reply-To: <46224251.1050109@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c77f7a$a0244e20$7300a8c0@Shaun> Pity they didn't try different coloured curtains. That may have shown a correlation between preferences of colour and perceived sound. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 15 April 2007 16:19 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." Explains why 'non believers' insist on blind (better still, double blind) listening tests. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may > differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains > want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who > remember it ... > > A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" > speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain > coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't > make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all > identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the > cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They > consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse > than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the > viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight > of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any > difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all > to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story > directly from their designer at that time. > > In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor > other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with > regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran > *Sent:* 15 April 2007 11:31 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > > I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure > that came with the deck. > It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) > > You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com > > I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. > There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. > But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really > matters. Hearing is believing. > > The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a > little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with > Bala....and its only MHO.:) > > > Thanks. > Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2190 (20070415) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From jamiep8 at comcast.net Sun Apr 15 18:56:20 2007 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:56:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Message-ID: <041520071656.14010.46225933000EE838000036BA2200760180C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> Hi. Any help would be appreciated. I own a Nak 480, which is running too fast. I have confirmed this in three other decks, another 480, an Aiwa 990, and my car deck, an Alpine 7525. Tapes made on the machine in question are too slow in all the other decks. Is there an adjustment screw or knob somewhere inside where I can make a correction? HELP!!! Peace, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 15 19:52:06 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:52:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 References: <041520071656.14010.46225933000EE838000036BA2200760180C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00fe01c77f86$c840e5b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Mike There is a free download service manual for the 480 [not the 480Z] on www.ebaman.com that will enable U to check out the options better. Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jamiep8 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Hi. Any help would be appreciated. I own a Nak 480, which is running too fast. I have confirmed this in three other decks, another 480, an Aiwa 990, and my car deck, an Alpine 7525. Tapes made on the machine in question are too slow in all the other decks. Is there an adjustment screw or knob somewhere inside where I can make a correction? HELP!!! 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In-Reply-To: <000401c77f7a$a0244e20$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <000401c77f7a$a0244e20$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <46226AEA.8000503@rcn.com> This is way OT, but worthy of mention. IIRC, it was related in 'Hidden Persuaders' by Vance Packard. A laundry detergent manufacturer tested packaging of their products by asking people to evaluate the product (not the package). Testers that received the product in a red box responded that it was too harsh on fabrics while those that received it in a brown box thought it wasn't effective enough. The product itself was the same in all samples, only the box was different. Not too long ago I described a listening test that proved that what people heard heavily depended on what they saw. It is generally accepted by psychologists that sight prevails over hearing. -- Ron Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Pity they didn't try different coloured curtains. That may have shown a > correlation between preferences of colour and perceived sound. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 15 April 2007 16:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." > > > > Explains why 'non believers' insist on blind (better still, double blind) > listening tests. > > -- Ron > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: >> Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may >> differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains >> want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who >> remember it ... >> >> A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" >> speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain >> coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't >> make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all >> identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the >> cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They >> consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse >> than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the >> viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight >> of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any >> difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all >> to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story >> directly from their designer at that time. >> >> In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor >> other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with >> regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran >> *Sent:* 15 April 2007 11:31 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure >> that came with the deck. >> It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) >> >> You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com >> >> I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. >> There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. >> But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really >> matters. Hearing is believing. >> >> The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a >> little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with >> Bala....and its only MHO.:) >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ram From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 15 20:51:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:51:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Recording. Message-ID: So there is some merit in recording from a good radio station, but frequency response limited to 15kHz. CD is limited to 20kHz, How about recording from a vinyl source or live recordings with microphone set like the CM-300's for example? Anyone tried this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Apr 15 20:52:34 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:52:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." In-Reply-To: <46226AEA.8000503@rcn.com> References: <000401c77f7a$a0244e20$7300a8c0@Shaun> <46226AEA.8000503@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46227472.8030909@cox.net> I find this all very interesting from a different perspective - I'm an engineer in a company that makes instruments which measure color. These instruments are used primarily for quality control in manufacturing, but they are also used in R&D labs. We're in a lot of consumer industries including food, textiles, coatings, tile, powders, pharmaceuticals, and so on. We have so many industrial and commercial customers only because much of perceived quality is based on visual appearance. It's true. Tim B Ron wrote: > > This is way OT, but worthy of mention. IIRC, it was > related in 'Hidden Persuaders' by Vance Packard. > > A laundry detergent manufacturer tested packaging of > their products by asking people to evaluate the product > (not the package). Testers that received the product > in a red box responded that it was too harsh on fabrics > while those that received it in a brown box thought it > wasn't effective enough. The product itself was the same > in all samples, only the box was different. > > Not too long ago I described a listening test that > proved that what people heard heavily depended on what > they saw. It is generally accepted by psychologists > that sight prevails over hearing. > > -- Ron > > > > Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> Pity they didn't try different coloured curtains. That may have shown a >> correlation between preferences of colour and perceived sound. >> >> Shaun >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Ron >> Sent: 15 April 2007 16:19 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." >> >> >> >> Explains why 'non believers' insist on blind (better still, double >> blind) >> listening tests. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Graham Nelson wrote: >>> Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may >>> differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our >>> brains want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those >>> who remember it ... >>> >>> A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" >>> speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that >>> certain coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. >>> That didn't make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers >>> were all identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of >>> the cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same >>> results: They consistently identified certain coloured speakers as >>> being better/worse than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was >>> then placed between the viewers and the speakers, which were >>> re-ordered. Deprived of the sight of the colour of the speakers, >>> the dealers could no longer tell any difference in the sound from >>> all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all to guess at which company >>> I am talking about but I got this story directly from their designer >>> at that time. >>> >>> In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor >>> other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) >>> with regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of >>> hi fi. >>> >>> Gra' >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran >>> *Sent:* 15 April 2007 11:31 >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >>> >>> I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure >>> that came with the deck. >>> It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) >>> You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com >>> I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are >>> another. >>> There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. >>> But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really >>> matters. Hearing is believing. >>> The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss >>> and a >>> little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with >>> Bala....and its only MHO.:) >>> Thanks. >>> Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 15 21:07:55 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <691081.25151.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <135758.79176.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: I just want to know whether the specifciation on the ZXL have changed during its production cycle. I have the owner/service manuals and the brochures of the ZXL and the tolerances are higher than what you mention in your previous messages. If that turn out that your machine have lower numbers, then I just want to update my reference data base of this deck. Most of the brochures and test reports available in the internet on the 1000ZXL have the same numbers as I have seen and that is why I am interested to know whether along the production cycle of the ZXL, Nakamaichi has improved the electrical performance of the deck. Thanks, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Testers that received the product in a red box responded that it was too harsh on fabrics while those that received it in a brown box thought it wasn't effective enough. The product itself was the same in all samples, only the box was different. Not too long ago I described a listening test that proved that what people heard heavily depended on what they saw. It is generally accepted by psychologists that sight prevails over hearing. -- Ron Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Pity they didn't try different coloured curtains. That may have shown a > correlation between preferences of colour and perceived sound. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 15 April 2007 16:19 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing." > > > > Explains why 'non believers' insist on blind (better still, double blind) > listening tests. > > -- Ron > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: >> Not withstanding that the performances of the same model of deck may >> differ, hearing ain't anyway always believing! We hear what our brains >> want us to hear. Forgive this recounting of a tale by those who >> remember it ... >> >> A certain famous UK speaker maker in the 1980's produced a "bookshelf" >> speaker in different colours. Dealers, no less, complained that certain >> coloured speakers didn't sound as good as other colours. That didn't >> make sense to the maker or the designer as the speakers were all >> identically spec'd. The only difference was the colour of the >> cabinets. They set up a test with several dealers. Same results: They >> consistently identified certain coloured speakers as being better/worse >> than other colour. A an acoustic curtain was then placed between the >> viewers and the speakers, which were re-ordered. Deprived of the sight >> of the colour of the speakers, the dealers could no longer tell any >> difference in the sound from all the speakers. I'll leave it to y'all >> to guess at which company I am talking about but I got this story >> directly from their designer at that time. >> >> In short, we should not underestimate the power of imagination, nor >> other senses, to confuse our perceptions of what we hear (or see) with >> regard to the music produced by our Naks or any other items of hi fi. >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *shanti ramachandran >> *Sent:* 15 April 2007 11:31 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure >> that came with the deck. >> It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) >> >> You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com >> >> I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. >> There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. >> But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really >> matters. Hearing is believing. >> >> The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a >> little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with >> Bala....and its only MHO.:) >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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George On 4/15/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gra, > > What are we missing. in digital? The great sound ! Thats all that we are > missing. > > Theory and practice are totally different... arent they? > > Analogue just sounds better, may be the human hearing mechanism has to have > some theoretical distortion for perception of smooth! Thats why we all say( > most) that digital is harsh...dont we Gra? > Ram > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Kimo > > But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they can't be > in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I missing > something? > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kimo B. Yap > Sent: 14 April 2007 20:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > > > Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the > 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass > department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to > 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and > some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to > hear those or rather perceive those. > > Playing back on the zxl or the > Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a > revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard > to be believed Ben. Try it and ye shall see! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Apr 15 23:23:32 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:23:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <54919B95-C884-4605-B846-6BC0D00EBA12@alumni.caltech.edu> > I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and > send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 16 00:06:37 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:06:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Recording. Message-ID: > So there is some merit in recording from a good radio station, but > frequency > response limited to 15kHz. CD is limited to 20kHz, How about > recording from > a vinyl source or live recordings with microphone set like the > CM-300's for > example? Anyone tried this? I have not recorded directly with mics. I have duped tapes done on XL- II 7.5ips R2R that were recorded with AKG-450s. I tended to prefer R2R for live recording back when I did that as I was schlepping things to concert halls (as opposed to doing it at home or in a studio where the deck lived full time), and the extra time afforded by a 6-head auto-reverse R2R was worth a lot to me in a live concert setting.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Apr 15 21:45:14 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <135758.79176.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <352988.41814.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: Much appreciated for that. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: I just want to know whether the specifciation on the ZXL have changed during its production cycle. I have the owner/service manuals and the brochures of the ZXL and the tolerances are higher than what you mention in your previous messages. If that turn out that your machine have lower numbers, then I just want to update my reference data base of this deck. Most of the brochures and test reports available in the internet on the 1000ZXL have the same numbers as I have seen and that is why I am interested to know whether along the production cycle of the ZXL, Nakamaichi has improved the electrical performance of the deck. Thanks, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? 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I am a recent digital to analogue convert and I ve used the same so called sophisticated system for over 11 years now. Its going to take me some time to revert BACK IF AT ALL! I have been a rebel all my life( approcahing 50 rapidly!) and am not going to mellow down anytime soon! Enjoy Analogue and especially, our Naks. Regards, Ram george valkov wrote: Ram, I have stated my views on the analog vs. digital sound in great detail on a couple of occasions on the list, so I will not bore most of the subscribers by rehashing it all again. In short: 1. I cannot accept the total negation of digital technology - like any tool, when used properly it can provide fantastic results 2. An excellent digital recording (mostly SACD, but on occasion CD as well) played back through an excellent system gives me exactly the same pleasure (hairs standing on the back of my neck, goosebumps, etc.) as an equally excellent analog recording. I will not list my system here, because neither this list nor this subject are about "mine is bigger". George On 4/15/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gra, > > What are we missing. in digital? The great sound ! Thats all that we are > missing. > > Theory and practice are totally different... arent they? > > Analogue just sounds better, may be the human hearing mechanism has to have > some theoretical distortion for perception of smooth! Thats why we all say( > most) that digital is harsh...dont we Gra? > Ram > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Kimo > > But surely, if the da converter filters out the transient lows they can't be > in the analogue o/p that's recorded by the cassette player, or am I missing > something? > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kimo B. Yap > Sent: 14 April 2007 20:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > > > Yes I am. The cassette recorded on a properly calibrated cassette on the > 1000ZXL will sound better than the source CD, especially in the bass > department because of the Analogue difference. You see CDs are limited to > 20-20000 hertz by a hard and fast line, and therefore transient lows and > some super highs are filtered out by the da converter and we never get to > hear those or rather perceive those. > > Playing back on the zxl or the > Dragon/CR7/10000ZXL/ZX9/ZX7/680ZX/670ZX will truely be a > revelation in the sound spectrum. Smoothness is velvety and has to be heard > to be believed Ben. 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 15 21:54:44 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:54:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" In-Reply-To: <46223F07.8040400@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Well Fred, up to last week I would have wholly agreed with you. I have tried multi strand cable, solid core cables of differing diameters and strands and could hear little difference to make me want to expriment further. QED 79 strand seemed to be a fair general purpose speaker cable and I stayed with that. However, last year I purchased a s/h pair of bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers that came with a ready prepared set of Linn speaker cables (beautifully made and very substantial). These weren't quite long enough and I joined them to a set of QED 79 strand cable until such time as I could get a new set of custom length (5 metre lengths) speaker cable. The sound then was very detailed and somewhat brighter than I was accustomed to or desired. I put it down to the characteristics of the Rogers LS6 Speakers. A couple of weeks ago I finally had some multi stranded (140 odd strands per cable) bi-wired speaker cables made up and duly swopped with the existing cables. I was totally surprised to hear that the system sounded noticeably less detailed, slightly warmer sounding and as if there was a slight but auduble veil over the music. There was also a need to turn up the volume control a notch too. I checked every aspect of the installation and could find nothing untoward, either with polarity or phase when listened to with a Bib test tape. The sound has less life to it but at the same time a little easier on the ear than before. The only change that has been made to the original set up is that previously the Linn cables were joined together at the speaker end so that they could be termintaed onto a single set of speaker terminals. The new set are not joined together and they use both sets of speaker outputs on the Nakamichi Receiver1. I remain puzzled by the audible change! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: 15 April 2007 16:05 To: A Nak Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" Hi Graham and the group, The following statement is not intended to start a big controversy but to expand on "Hearing is Believing" Your statement on this subject hit the nail on the head. Taking this a step further, "Hearing is Believing" is the main reason the esoteric "high end" consumer electronics business exist. An example would be using zip cord for speaker wire instead of Monster cable, and how it is twisted. I am NOT defending zip cord but only using this as a example. I will go out on a limb and say my belief is, as long as you use more than sufficient cable size (gauge), based on the length of the run, and silver, copper or "gold" is used for capacitance reasons, you can hear NO difference. How the signal "travels" on the conductor, is Smoke and Mirrors. Yet, most people would fight to the death against this theory. Another widely unknown fact, you can take any particular product and remove it from Bland $.05 packaging, place it in a " high quality" $.35 package and sales will increase 2 fold just because of consumers perception. Same applies to the cosmetics of electronics equipment. An example would be Teac vs Tascam, although they used Tascam to approach a different market. As you said, for the most part, it's ALL in the mind! Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2190 (20070415) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sun Apr 15 21:57:46 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:57:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with new recording In-Reply-To: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: hi ian.. i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias oscillator.. i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I think I'll use www.digikey.com they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you only want a small quantity.. have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is excellent and details for other components are likely to have gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ you might have a harder time getting the other components from maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components and order codes here.. adrian On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, wrote: > Hi > > Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which I > have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new belts, > rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result is that the > deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. > having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP > [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - > little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried again > after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type unit] the > unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. > > After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck is > potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias Osc > circuit'. > > I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen Sank > re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of the two > orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator transformer marked > 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors would normally fix > these issues as normally nothing else is damaged when their failure > occurs. > > The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the > 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that may > be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both labelled 47000P > [G] ]. > > My questions for the group are > > - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or > [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the > Dolby C inclusion ?] > - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the same > job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 > - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a > massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? > > Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors > > > A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other film > and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are inductively > wound and have an epoxy resin coating. > > > > > > Tolerance: > > ±10% > > > > > > > > Working voltage: > > 100Vdc > > > > > > > > Temperature range: > > -40C to +85C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Value (µF) > > Case Size (mm) > > > > > > > > > > B > > H > > L > > Pitch > > 0.001 > > 2.8 > > 10 > > 5.3 > > 3 > > 0.0022 > > 2.9 > > 10 > > 5.5 > > 3.5 > > 0.0047 > > 3.1 > > 12.5 > > 5.8 > > 3.5 > > > > > Thanks > Dave > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 00:32:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <352988.41814.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070415223252.77344.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> wecome. LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Much appreciated for that. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: I just want to know whether the specifciation on the ZXL have changed during its production cycle. I have the owner/service manuals and the brochures of the ZXL and the tolerances are higher than what you mention in your previous messages. If that turn out that your machine have lower numbers, then I just want to update my reference data base of this deck. Most of the brochures and test reports available in the internet on the 1000ZXL have the same numbers as I have seen and that is why I am interested to know whether along the production cycle of the ZXL, Nakamaichi has improved the electrical performance of the deck. Thanks, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I have the original 1000zxl owners manual and marketing brochure that came with the deck. It was a 1980-1982 model( I dont know for sure) You might want to check out Mr.Bleus website at angelfire.com I reiterate, that specs are one thing and your ears are another. There are great decks from pther manufacturers with superb specs. But when one turns the sound on and listens, thats what really matters. Hearing is believing. The human perception of sound, perhaps needs alittle hiss and a little less harshness to define it as smooth.... I agree here with Bala....and its only MHO.:) Thanks. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Can you be able to show me what year(s) of the Brochure and owner manual show those data as the brochures and test reviews that I have seen so far have numbers higher than yours? As far as I know only 680, 660/670 series have frequency response down to 10Hz based on manufacturer/owner manual/brochures spec. Thanks. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, WRONG! From the owners manual and the Brochure: Freq Response: 20-20000Hz +-0.5dB and at -20db record level 10-25000Hz, +/-3dB If compared to the 680ZX( I have that one too) the response is similar with similar dB characteristics and parameters. However, due to the zxls eq parametric correction capability, its a far superior recording deck. Period. There is no comparison. Any comments. Please. Welcome. Regards ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: The ZXL has frequency response 20Hz - 20kHz +/- 0.75db and 18Hz - 25kHz +/- 3db. The 680, 660/670 series do have frequency down to 10Hz though but only with +/- 3db. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 16 01:16:24 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:16:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" In-Reply-To: <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <46223F07.8040400@marrscommunications.com> <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <17d5ee910704151616j3f8482adr1af5313df4ff73d9@mail.gmail.com> I already compared CAT5, dual OFC coaxial and standard 16AWG cable(The cables were only 5 feet long), and there was no difference to the sound with the system I used. I only noticed a difference when I connected a cable to the A output of my amp, and one to the B input. The sound was much less loud, and I found out that when one of the speaker output is off, it's shorting both terminals. The amp(Which magically resists to output shorts) was running shorted when testing one of the cables, and that was the cause of the sound difference. An other reason why you could have heard a difference is that an higher gauge = less high freqs or things like that. On 4/15/07, Shaun Montgomery wrote: > > Well Fred, up to last week I would have wholly agreed with you. I have > tried > multi strand cable, solid core cables of differing diameters and strands > and > could hear little difference to make me want to expriment further. QED 79 > strand seemed to be a fair general purpose speaker cable and I stayed with > that. > > However, last year I purchased a s/h pair of bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers > that came with a ready prepared set of Linn speaker cables (beautifully > made > and very substantial). These weren't quite long enough and I joined them > to > a set of QED 79 strand cable until such time as I could get a new set of > custom length (5 metre lengths) speaker cable. The sound then was very > detailed and somewhat brighter than I was accustomed to or desired. I put > it > down to the characteristics of the Rogers LS6 Speakers. A couple of weeks > ago I finally had some multi stranded (140 odd strands per cable) bi-wired > speaker cables made up and duly swopped with the existing cables. I was > totally surprised to hear that the system sounded noticeably less > detailed, > slightly warmer sounding and as if there was a slight but auduble veil > over > the music. There was also a need to turn up the volume control a notch > too. > I checked every aspect of the installation and could find nothing > untoward, > either with polarity or phase when listened to with a Bib test tape. The > sound has less life to it but at the same time a little easier on the ear > than before. > > The only change that has been made to the original set up is that > previously > the Linn cables were joined together at the speaker end so that they could > be termintaed onto a single set of speaker terminals. The new set are not > joined together and they use both sets of speaker outputs on the Nakamichi > Receiver1. > > I remain puzzled by the audible change! > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Marrs Communications > Sent: 15 April 2007 16:05 > To: A Nak > Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" > > > Hi Graham and the group, > The following statement is not intended to start a big controversy but > to expand on "Hearing is Believing" > > Your statement on this subject hit the nail on the head. Taking this a > step further, "Hearing is Believing" is the main reason the esoteric > "high end" consumer electronics business exist. An example would be > using zip cord for speaker wire instead of Monster cable, and how it is > twisted. I am NOT defending zip cord but only using this as a example. > I will go out on a limb and say my belief is, as long as you use more > than sufficient cable size (gauge), based on the length of the run, and > silver, copper or "gold" is used for capacitance reasons, you can hear > NO difference. How the signal "travels" on the conductor, is Smoke and > Mirrors. Yet, most people would fight to the death against this theory. > Another widely unknown fact, you can take any particular product and > remove it from Bland $.05 packaging, place it in a " high quality" $.35 > package and sales will increase 2 fold just because of consumers > perception. Same applies to the cosmetics of electronics equipment. An > example would be Teac vs Tascam, although they used Tascam to approach a > different market. As you said, for the most part, it's ALL in the > mind! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 00:47:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" In-Reply-To: <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <210005.14426.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shaun, Fred et al, Therefore, I reiterate,"Hearing Is Believing!" I rest my case. Shut! Regards, Ram Shaun Montgomery wrote: Well Fred, up to last week I would have wholly agreed with you. I have tried multi strand cable, solid core cables of differing diameters and strands and could hear little difference to make me want to expriment further. QED 79 strand seemed to be a fair general purpose speaker cable and I stayed with that. However, last year I purchased a s/h pair of bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers that came with a ready prepared set of Linn speaker cables (beautifully made and very substantial). These weren't quite long enough and I joined them to a set of QED 79 strand cable until such time as I could get a new set of custom length (5 metre lengths) speaker cable. The sound then was very detailed and somewhat brighter than I was accustomed to or desired. I put it down to the characteristics of the Rogers LS6 Speakers. A couple of weeks ago I finally had some multi stranded (140 odd strands per cable) bi-wired speaker cables made up and duly swopped with the existing cables. I was totally surprised to hear that the system sounded noticeably less detailed, slightly warmer sounding and as if there was a slight but auduble veil over the music. There was also a need to turn up the volume control a notch too. I checked every aspect of the installation and could find nothing untoward, either with polarity or phase when listened to with a Bib test tape. The sound has less life to it but at the same time a little easier on the ear than before. The only change that has been made to the original set up is that previously the Linn cables were joined together at the speaker end so that they could be termintaed onto a single set of speaker terminals. The new set are not joined together and they use both sets of speaker outputs on the Nakamichi Receiver1. I remain puzzled by the audible change! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: 15 April 2007 16:05 To: A Nak Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" Hi Graham and the group, The following statement is not intended to start a big controversy but to expand on "Hearing is Believing" Your statement on this subject hit the nail on the head. Taking this a step further, "Hearing is Believing" is the main reason the esoteric "high end" consumer electronics business exist. An example would be using zip cord for speaker wire instead of Monster cable, and how it is twisted. I am NOT defending zip cord but only using this as a example. I will go out on a limb and say my belief is, as long as you use more than sufficient cable size (gauge), based on the length of the run, and silver, copper or "gold" is used for capacitance reasons, you can hear NO difference. How the signal "travels" on the conductor, is Smoke and Mirrors. Yet, most people would fight to the death against this theory. Another widely unknown fact, you can take any particular product and remove it from Bland $.05 packaging, place it in a " high quality" $.35 package and sales will increase 2 fold just because of consumers perception. Same applies to the cosmetics of electronics equipment. An example would be Teac vs Tascam, although they used Tascam to approach a different market. As you said, for the most part, it's ALL in the mind! 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Pity they didn't try different coloured curtains. That may have shown a correlation between preferences of colour and perceived sound. Shaun - From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 02:03:44 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:03:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Recording. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I've recorded string quartets and string trios to my 1000 (original 1000, not 1000ZXL) with Beyer M160 ribbon mikes and a set of Kermit's swell 77AN mike preamps and I can tell you the result was damn near indistinguishable from the live performance. Did the same with a 550 and a set of AKG D190E mikes and got very good results wiuth that setup too. Normally I used BASF Chromdioxide tape cassettes exclusively but sometimes TDK or Nakamichi tape cassettes. On 4/15/07, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > So there is some merit in recording from a good radio station, but > frequency response limited to 15kHz. CD is limited to 20kHz, How about > recording from a vinyl source or live recordings with microphone set like > the CM-300's for example? Anyone tried this? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 16 04:20:46 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <54919B95-C884-4605-B846-6BC0D00EBA12@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <233665.17207.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 16 10:11:39 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:11:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording References: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <001b01c77ffe$dc5ad6f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Adrian Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other components may have also been affected. Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same for the 480 & 480Z Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & many thanks for ur help so far Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording > hi ian.. > > i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias > oscillator.. > > i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I think > I'll use www.digikey.com > > they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right for this > circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you only want a > small quantity.. > > have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is excellent > and details for other components are likely to have gone too... > http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ > > you might have a harder time getting the other components from maplin.. i > don't know if they do fusible resistors and the transistor mentioned is > an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find a european equivalent.. I have > an equivalents book and when I've finished my order I'll let you have a > copy or post the components and order codes here.. > > adrian > > > On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, > wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which I have >> provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new belts, rubber >> treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result is that the deck now >> plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP [Heybrook >> TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - little recorded & >> distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried again after a head reclean & >> demagnetise [TDK cassette type unit] the unit didn't overwrite the >> earlier captured details so.. >> >> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck is >> potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias Osc >> circuit'. >> >> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen Sank re >> 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of the two orange >> capacitors next to the erase oscillator transformer marked 472 with >> 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors would normally fix these issues as >> normally nothing else is damaged when their failure occurs. >> >> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the 480 >> deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that may be being >> referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both labelled 47000P [G] ]. >> >> My questions for the group are >> >> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or [confirm >> that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the Dolby C inclusion >> ?] >> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the same job as >> do C302 & C303 on the 480 >> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >> >> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >> >> >> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other film and >> foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are inductively wound and >> have an epoxy resin coating. >> >> >> >> >> >> Tolerance: >> >> ±10% >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Working voltage: >> >> 100Vdc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Temperature range: >> >> -40C to +85C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Value (µF) >> >> Case Size (mm) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> H >> >> L >> >> Pitch >> >> 0.001 >> >> 2.8 >> >> 10 >> >> 5.3 >> >> 3 >> >> 0.0022 >> >> 2.9 >> >> 10 >> >> 5.5 >> >> 3.5 >> >> 0.0047 >> >> 3.1 >> >> 12.5 >> >> 5.8 >> >> 3.5 >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 14/04/2007 > 21:36 > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Apr 16 11:42:04 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:42:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording In-Reply-To: <001b01c77ffe$dc5ad6f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <001b01c77ffe$dc5ad6f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <36211339-10EF-4A6D-B0BA-00FA54AEFF08@thegreatbear.net> hi dave.. i've got the downloaded SMs for my 480, 680, 682 and 582 and looking at the components list and schmatic, the bias oscillators seem to look the same... I haven't got around to ordering the parts yet.. it's on my todo list.. I'll let you know when I do, hopefully this or next week. if your 480z is anything like the regular 480, which i guess it is.. it's quite easy to get at both sides of the PCB.. i'd just get the bits from maplins, which is quick and easy then try to replace the orange caps first. I haven't done that yet as I wanted to have all the bits on hand when I started in case there were other failures.. adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 09:11, wrote: > Adrian > > Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as > Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at > fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough > having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other > components may have also been affected. > > Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same > for the 480 & 480Z > > Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & > many thanks for ur help so far > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing > with newrecording > > >> hi ian.. >> >> i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias >> oscillator.. >> >> i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I >> think I'll use www.digikey.com >> >> they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right >> for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you >> only want a small quantity.. >> >> have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is >> excellent and details for other components are likely to have >> gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ >> >> you might have a harder time getting the other components from >> maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the >> transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find >> a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've >> finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components >> and order codes here.. >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which >>> I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new >>> belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result >>> is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >>> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP >>> [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - >>> little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried >>> again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type >>> unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. >>> >>> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck >>> is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias >>> Osc circuit'. >>> >>> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen >>> Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of >>> the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator >>> transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors >>> would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is >>> damaged when their failure occurs. >>> >>> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the >>> 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that >>> may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both >>> labelled 47000P [G] ]. >>> >>> My questions for the group are >>> >>> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or >>> [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the >>> Dolby C inclusion ?] >>> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the >>> same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 >>> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >>> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >>> >>> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >>> >>> >>> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other >>> film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are >>> inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tolerance: >>> >>> ±10% >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working voltage: >>> >>> 100Vdc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Temperature range: >>> >>> -40C to +85C >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Value (µF) >>> >>> Case Size (mm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> H >>> >>> L >>> >>> Pitch >>> >>> 0.001 >>> >>> 2.8 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.3 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 0.0022 >>> >>> 2.9 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.5 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> 0.0047 >>> >>> 3.1 >>> >>> 12.5 >>> >>> 5.8 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >> 14/04/2007 21:36 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 16 11:44:19 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:44:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910704151616j3f8482adr1af5313df4ff73d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003401c7800b$cf8edb30$7300a8c0@Shaun> That's interesting Antoine, My Nakamichi Receiver 1 shows which speaker combination is in use on the front panel (either A, B, A+B, Off or Remote). I note that the A indicator (both on it's own and when used together with B) is significantly dimmer. Could this mean anything unusual in the amplifier? Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: 16 April 2007 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" I already compared CAT5, dual OFC coaxial and standard 16AWG cable(The cables were only 5 feet long), and there was no difference to the sound with the system I used. I only noticed a difference when I connected a cable to the A output of my amp, and one to the B input. The sound was much less loud, and I found out that when one of the speaker output is off, it's shorting both terminals. The amp(Which magically resists to output shorts) was running shorted when testing one of the cables, and that was the cause of the sound difference. An other reason why you could have heard a difference is that an higher gauge = less high freqs or things like that. On 4/15/07, Shaun Montgomery wrote: Well Fred, up to last week I would have wholly agreed with you. I have tried multi strand cable, solid core cables of differing diameters and strands and could hear little difference to make me want to expriment further. QED 79 strand seemed to be a fair general purpose speaker cable and I stayed with that. However, last year I purchased a s/h pair of bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers that came with a ready prepared set of Linn speaker cables (beautifully made and very substantial). These weren't quite long enough and I joined them to a set of QED 79 strand cable until such time as I could get a new set of custom length (5 metre lengths) speaker cable. The sound then was very detailed and somewhat brighter than I was accustomed to or desired. I put it down to the characteristics of the Rogers LS6 Speakers. A couple of weeks ago I finally had some multi stranded (140 odd strands per cable) bi-wired speaker cables made up and duly swopped with the existing cables. I was totally surprised to hear that the system sounded noticeably less detailed, slightly warmer sounding and as if there was a slight but auduble veil over the music. There was also a need to turn up the volume control a notch too. I checked every aspect of the installation and could find nothing untoward, either with polarity or phase when listened to with a Bib test tape. The sound has less life to it but at the same time a little easier on the ear than before. The only change that has been made to the original set up is that previously the Linn cables were joined together at the speaker end so that they could be termintaed onto a single set of speaker terminals. The new set are not joined together and they use both sets of speaker outputs on the Nakamichi Receiver1. I remain puzzled by the audible change! Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 13:30:26 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording In-Reply-To: <36211339-10EF-4A6D-B0BA-00FA54AEFF08@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <244161.93258.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys most probably the two transistors are also to be replaced evn if they are OK from my experience. Also check some of the resostors in that circuit part for changes in their values. Once replaced ( all of these) you will note that it works ! The circuit is the same for 581/582/68X 48X series as well as ZX 9/7. If you need any specific help contact me. When you replace the capacitors as well transistors matching values and gain is preferable. good luck Kannan "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi dave.. i've got the downloaded SMs for my 480, 680, 682 and 582 and looking at the components list and schmatic, the bias oscillators seem to look the same... I haven't got around to ordering the parts yet.. it's on my todo list.. I'll let you know when I do, hopefully this or next week. if your 480z is anything like the regular 480, which i guess it is.. it's quite easy to get at both sides of the PCB.. i'd just get the bits from maplins, which is quick and easy then try to replace the orange caps first. I haven't done that yet as I wanted to have all the bits on hand when I started in case there were other failures.. adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 09:11, wrote: > Adrian > > Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as > Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at > fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough > having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other > components may have also been affected. > > Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same > for the 480 & 480Z > > Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & > many thanks for ur help so far > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing > with newrecording > > >> hi ian.. >> >> i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias >> oscillator.. >> >> i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I >> think I'll use www.digikey.com >> >> they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right >> for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you >> only want a small quantity.. >> >> have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is >> excellent and details for other components are likely to have >> gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ >> >> you might have a harder time getting the other components from >> maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the >> transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find >> a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've >> finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components >> and order codes here.. >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which >>> I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new >>> belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result >>> is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >>> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP >>> [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - >>> little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried >>> again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type >>> unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. >>> >>> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck >>> is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias >>> Osc circuit'. >>> >>> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen >>> Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of >>> the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator >>> transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors >>> would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is >>> damaged when their failure occurs. >>> >>> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the >>> 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that >>> may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both >>> labelled 47000P [G] ]. >>> >>> My questions for the group are >>> >>> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or >>> [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the >>> Dolby C inclusion ?] >>> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the >>> same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 >>> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >>> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >>> >>> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >>> >>> >>> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other >>> film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are >>> inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tolerance: >>> >>> ±10% >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working voltage: >>> >>> 100Vdc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Temperature range: >>> >>> -40C to +85C >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Value (µF) >>> >>> Case Size (mm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> H >>> >>> L >>> >>> Pitch >>> >>> 0.001 >>> >>> 2.8 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.3 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 0.0022 >>> >>> 2.9 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.5 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> 0.0047 >>> >>> 3.1 >>> >>> 12.5 >>> >>> 5.8 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >> 14/04/2007 21:36 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Mon Apr 16 13:57:12 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:57:12 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 counter problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070410121328.0088dc50@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.0.20070407183200.04f3ed78@paradise.net.nz> <3.0.3.32.20070407134203.008861d0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070410121328.0088dc50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070416235352.037e0490@paradise.net.nz> Unfortunately this is out of my league. Guess I'll live with the problem as sending it for service (the other end of New Zealand) is likely to cost around $200 NZD Thank you for the advice - I appreciate it. Brett At 05:13 a.m. 11/04/2007, you wrote: >If you have the skills to measure, IC606 pin 33 is reset. It should go H >after power-on. Pins 5,6,and 7 are the counter button inputs. If any of >these are low, it will lock up the counter. > >tom brucker > >At 01:36 PM 4/8/07 +1200, you wrote: > >Hi Tom > >Thank you for this. > > > >I've checked the button and it doesn't seem to be stuck. I've tried > >holding it down and holding it with a combination of other buttons > >but no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that when I hold > >the button the 88:88 does dim very very slightly. > > > >Could there be another way of resetting this button? > > > >Brett > > > >At 06:42 a.m. 8/04/2007, you wrote: > > > >>Brett, > >> I have not encountered :)) that problem. I suspect the counter mode > >>button may be stuck. 88:88 is all segments lit, a common electronic > >>counter display after reset. I'll bet the counter reset is a computer reset > >>that goes from 88:88 to 00:00 when the button is released. > >> > >>tom brucker > >> > >>At 06:33 PM 4/7/07 +1200, you wrote: > >> >I sent this message while the list was busy "discussing" other > >> >matters. Can anyone help here? > >> > >*************************************************************************** > >>**************** > >> >I've just noticed that the counter on my CR-7 is not working. > >> >The counter mode button doesn't change anything and the display only > >> >shows 88:88. > >> > > >> >Any suggestions? > >> > > >> >Thanks in advance > >> > > >> >Brett > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> >========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > >> > > >>Tom Brucker CSM > >>Hi Tech Service > >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 16 14:37:12 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:37:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing withnewrecording References: <244161.93258.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c78023$f5008090$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Thanks Kannan I have found supplies for the 2SC945 transistor on the www.dalbani.co.uk website at v low cost & am tempted to buy there but I have struggled to identify the 3 capacitors [2 off .0047 & 1 off .0033 uf] needed from their very scant details & no pics. I would prefer to but from one place as they all have minimum odrer values/p&p charging. Are you able to advise me which I need. Their E.CAP/47UF 100VD part code seemed like one of them but ?? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing withnewrecording Guys most probably the two transistors are also to be replaced evn if they are OK from my experience. Also check some of the resostors in that circuit part for changes in their values. Once replaced ( all of these) you will note that it works ! The circuit is the same for 581/582/68X 48X series as well as ZX 9/7. If you need any specific help contact me. When you replace the capacitors as well transistors matching values and gain is preferable. good luck Kannan "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi dave.. i've got the downloaded SMs for my 480, 680, 682 and 582 and looking at the components list and schmatic, the bias oscillators seem to look the same... I haven't got around to ordering the parts yet.. it's on my todo list.. I'll let you know when I do, hopefully this or next week. if your 480z is anything like the regular 480, which i guess it is.. it's quite easy to get at both sides of the PCB.. i'd just get the bits from maplins, which is quick and easy then try to replace the orange caps first. I haven't done that yet as I wanted to have all the bits on hand when I started in case there were other failures.. adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 09:11, wrote: > Adrian > > Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as > Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at > fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough > having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other > components may have also been affected. > > Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same > for the 480 & 480Z > > Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & > many thanks for ur help so far > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing > with newrecording > > >> hi ian.. >> >> i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias >> oscillator.. >> >> i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I >> think I'll use www.digikey.com >> >> they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right >> for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you >> only want a small quantity.. >> >> have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is >> excellent and details for other components are likely to have >> gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ >> >> you might have a harder time getting the other components from >> maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the >> transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find >> a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've >> finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components >> and order codes here.. >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which >>> I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new >>> belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result >>> is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >>> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP >>> [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - >>> little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried >>> again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type >>> unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. >>> >>> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck >>> is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias >>> Osc circuit'. >>> >>> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen >>> Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of >>> the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator >>> transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors >>> would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is >>> damaged when their failure occurs. >>> >>> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the >>> 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that >>> may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both >>> labelled 47000P [G] ]. >>> >>> My questions for the group are >>> >>> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or >>> [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the >>> Dolby C inclusion ?] >>> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the >>> same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 >>> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >>> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >>> >>> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >>> >>> >>> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other >>> film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are >>> inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tolerance: >>> >>> ±10% >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working voltage: >>> >>> 100Vdc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Temperature range: >>> >>> -40C to +85C >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Value (µF) >>> >>> Case Size (mm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> H >>> >>> L >>> >>> Pitch >>> >>> 0.001 >>> >>> 2.8 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.3 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 0.0022 >>> >>> 2.9 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.5 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> 0.0047 >>> >>> 3.1 >>> >>> 12.5 >>> >>> 5.8 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >> 14/04/2007 21:36 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 15:36:28 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing withnewrecording In-Reply-To: <008a01c78023$f5008090$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <573237.89025.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dave Their E Cap is electrolyitic capacitors and cannot be used. Try other suppliers ( like Maplin ? I know RS Electronics UK has enough varieties?) If you still have problem I can send you the caps - I have to look in to my parts inventory ) by mail Let me know kannan ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Thanks Kannan I have found supplies for the 2SC945 transistor on the www.dalbani.co.uk website at v low cost & am tempted to buy there but I have struggled to identify the 3 capacitors [2 off .0047 & 1 off .0033 uf] needed from their very scant details & no pics. I would prefer to but from one place as they all have minimum odrer values/p&p charging. Are you able to advise me which I need. Their E.CAP/47UF 100VD part code seemed like one of them but ?? Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing withnewrecording Guys most probably the two transistors are also to be replaced evn if they are OK from my experience. Also check some of the resostors in that circuit part for changes in their values. Once replaced ( all of these) you will note that it works ! The circuit is the same for 581/582/68X 48X series as well as ZX 9/7. If you need any specific help contact me. When you replace the capacitors as well transistors matching values and gain is preferable. good luck Kannan "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi dave.. i've got the downloaded SMs for my 480, 680, 682 and 582 and looking at the components list and schmatic, the bias oscillators seem to look the same... I haven't got around to ordering the parts yet.. it's on my todo list.. I'll let you know when I do, hopefully this or next week. if your 480z is anything like the regular 480, which i guess it is.. it's quite easy to get at both sides of the PCB.. i'd just get the bits from maplins, which is quick and easy then try to replace the orange caps first. I haven't done that yet as I wanted to have all the bits on hand when I started in case there were other failures.. adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 09:11, wrote: > Adrian > > Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as > Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at > fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough > having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other > components may have also been affected. > > Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same > for the 480 & 480Z > > Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & > many thanks for ur help so far > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing > with newrecording > > >> hi ian.. >> >> i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias >> oscillator.. >> >> i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I >> think I'll use www.digikey.com >> >> they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right >> for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you >> only want a small quantity.. >> >> have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is >> excellent and details for other components are likely to have >> gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ >> >> you might have a harder time getting the other components from >> maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the >> transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find >> a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've >> finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components >> and order codes here.. >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which >>> I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new >>> belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result >>> is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >>> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP >>> [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - >>> little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried >>> again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type >>> unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. >>> >>> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck >>> is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias >>> Osc circuit'. >>> >>> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen >>> Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of >>> the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator >>> transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors >>> would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is >>> damaged when their failure occurs. >>> >>> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the >>> 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that >>> may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both >>> labelled 47000P [G] ]. >>> >>> My questions for the group are >>> >>> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or >>> [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the >>> Dolby C inclusion ?] >>> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the >>> same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 >>> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >>> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >>> >>> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >>> >>> >>> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other >>> film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are >>> inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tolerance: >>> >>> ±10% >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working voltage: >>> >>> 100Vdc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Temperature range: >>> >>> -40C to +85C >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Value (µF) >>> >>> Case Size (mm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> H >>> >>> L >>> >>> Pitch >>> >>> 0.001 >>> >>> 2.8 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.3 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 0.0022 >>> >>> 2.9 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.5 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> 0.0047 >>> >>> 3.1 >>> >>> 12.5 >>> >>> 5.8 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >> 14/04/2007 21:36 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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As the transistors ordered are of the same type I am hoping their substitution connection will be obvious to me but would appreciate any further pointers you may have re this. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing withnewrecording Guys most probably the two transistors are also to be replaced evn if they are OK from my experience. Also check some of the resostors in that circuit part for changes in their values. Once replaced ( all of these) you will note that it works ! The circuit is the same for 581/582/68X 48X series as well as ZX 9/7. If you need any specific help contact me. When you replace the capacitors as well transistors matching values and gain is preferable. good luck Kannan "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi dave.. i've got the downloaded SMs for my 480, 680, 682 and 582 and looking at the components list and schmatic, the bias oscillators seem to look the same... I haven't got around to ordering the parts yet.. it's on my todo list.. I'll let you know when I do, hopefully this or next week. if your 480z is anything like the regular 480, which i guess it is.. it's quite easy to get at both sides of the PCB.. i'd just get the bits from maplins, which is quick and easy then try to replace the orange caps first. I haven't done that yet as I wanted to have all the bits on hand when I started in case there were other failures.. adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 09:11, wrote: > Adrian > > Thanks for that pointer to Kannan's article. I was hoping [as > Stephen Sanks note of 2000] that only 2 condensors would be at > fault/affected. Not sure if my skills/equipment will be good enough > having briefly read Kannan's article which, as U say, suggest other > components may have also been affected. > > Do U happen to know if the Bias osc componentry referenced the same > for the 480 & 480Z > > Pls send me a list of ur components/codes anyway as U suggest & > many thanks for ur help so far > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing > with newrecording > > >> hi ian.. >> >> i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias >> oscillator.. >> >> i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I >> think I'll use www.digikey.com >> >> they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right >> for this circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you >> only want a small quantity.. >> >> have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is >> excellent and details for other components are likely to have >> gone too... http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ >> >> you might have a harder time getting the other components from >> maplin.. i don't know if they do fusible resistors and the >> transistor mentioned is an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find >> a european equivalent.. I have an equivalents book and when I've >> finished my order I'll let you have a copy or post the components >> and order codes here.. >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which >>> I have provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new >>> belts, rubber treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result >>> is that the deck now plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >>> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP >>> [Heybrook TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - >>> little recorded & distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried >>> again after a head reclean & demagnetise [TDK cassette type >>> unit] the unit didn't overwrite the earlier captured details so.. >>> >>> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck >>> is potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias >>> Osc circuit'. >>> >>> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen >>> Sank re 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of >>> the two orange capacitors next to the erase oscillator >>> transformer marked 472 with 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors >>> would normally fix these issues as normally nothing else is >>> damaged when their failure occurs. >>> >>> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the >>> 480 deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that >>> may be being referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both >>> labelled 47000P [G] ]. >>> >>> My questions for the group are >>> >>> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or >>> [confirm that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the >>> Dolby C inclusion ?] >>> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the >>> same job as do C302 & C303 on the 480 >>> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >>> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >>> >>> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >>> >>> >>> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other >>> film and foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are >>> inductively wound and have an epoxy resin coating. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tolerance: >>> >>> ±10% >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Working voltage: >>> >>> 100Vdc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Temperature range: >>> >>> -40C to +85C >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Value (µF) >>> >>> Case Size (mm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> H >>> >>> L >>> >>> Pitch >>> >>> 0.001 >>> >>> 2.8 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.3 >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> 0.0022 >>> >>> 2.9 >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> 5.5 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> 0.0047 >>> >>> 3.1 >>> >>> 12.5 >>> >>> 5.8 >>> >>> 3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >> 14/04/2007 21:36 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:31 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100431.0088c560@earthlink.net> Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <4620B42E.5040803@xs4all.nl> References: <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <124835.89167.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100430.0088f900@earthlink.net> Wouter, You missed the 60s and 70s. We began our meter lust with the blue McIntosh 5" meters, dancing to the music like nothing else. I have the Yamaha B1+UC1 amplifier with the best needle meters known to the free world. Find an old 1000-II. The meter ballistics are true Vu, as found in recording desks (consoles to the Americans). Have spent years recording, there is nothing better than the slow/ fast combination displayed by true Vu needles. While the 660 has tiny meters, there are some who find needles ...real. tom brucker At 12:59 PM 4/14/07 +0200, Wouter Heijke wrote: >That is the better ZXL talk! >You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. >First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. >didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it >when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later >here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully >functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, >fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! >Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also >found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. >Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it >gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice >as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! >Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a >friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it >for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! > >Keep in mind this is just my impression! > >Wouter > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger >> 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. >> Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. >> But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it >> performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good >> knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine >> covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is >> aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the >> touch of two buttons! >> >> After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. >> >> Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their >> later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise >> shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. >> And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Benstratford at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> Bala, >> >> Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on >> them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which >> introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the >> larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality >> of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's >> size and presence. I am now hooked on it. >> The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality >> between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her >> inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the >> troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a >> deck sat there. >> I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and >> really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the >> potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll >> just have to wait for those caps to arrive! >> Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them >> all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares >> unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may >> actually come off worse! >> Best Regards, Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Why No List Of Service Centers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100428.0088f850@earthlink.net> There were Nakamichi servicers worldwide. The dynamics of the loss of parts and shrinking demand, and lack of dealer based service centers has caused all but an intrepid few to abandon Nak service. The attitude here is to provide all the self help and diagnostics within our community. Your prospective Dragon may have a simple spot of dirt on the play head, or have orange cap problems in the auto azimuth circuit. My own repairs are proceeding at a slower pace than I had hoped, however I am learning many new tricks after so many years away from Nak repairs. If you are in the US, ESL can completely rework your Dragon, essentially resetting its clock back to new condition. I can repair your Nak, but I have parts limitations. Willy Herman in Berkeley CA can also be recommended. Steve Sank was a resource for repairs, but he may have phased that business out. Robert Kent appears to be repairing simple problems. A service center quickly reaches a dead end IF/WHEN head alignment checks are required. Special flexibility was built into Nakamichi head blocks, thus they required special custom gauges and alignment tapes. NakTalk is currently trying to duplicate these rare gauges, produce tapes, and to some extent, purchase test equipment, to meet this need. Typical functional Dragons sell for 400-600 $ US. On your deck I would budget 200 for repairs, unless you are interested in the ESL makeover. tom brucker At 08:41 PM 4/14/07 -0400, you wrote: >>Why? >>Because it's kind of unofficial and started for the 'gauges project' and >>grew into this, still a work in progress. >> >>Wouter > >Wouter, >Thanks for the info. I don't know what the guages project is (sorry, >must've missed that reading through the archives)...it's probably not >relavant to this thread so no need to explain. >Well, as a follow-up question...so should people be contacting >naks.com administration with a heads up when they find a shop that >works on Nakimichis (works on them the "right" way that is)? Could be >something I'm poking my nose into that's been going on in the >background-sorry if so.... > >I mean if people submitted messages with a title something like "Nak >Servicing Shop Update-Please Update List" then I'd imagine the mimimum >to be done would be to take the info at face value and add it to a >list, but maybe some additional work would be involved, to ensure >covering your backside, by contacting said location/individual and >asking for permission to list them. > >Argh!....I really need to just shut up and settle down I guess. I >don't mean to come in like a bull to a china store since you've all >been here for years. Second nature from my professional life that I >find hard to clamp off when I'm not working-plus too much caffeine. >Please carry on... :) > > >___________________________________________________________ >Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. >Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding a manual In-Reply-To: <20070415015302.82198.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001101c77e30$ed869a60$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100428.0088f900@earthlink.net> Scott I can xerox part of the schematic if you find no .pdf tom brucker At 06:53 PM 4/14/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi guys. I'm doing some research for my remote projects and am looking for the service manuals for either the 580M or the 581. If anyone has an electronic copy I would really appreciate it. Email me directly at <p9019 at yahoo.com Thanks, Scott J. ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out <new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <728511.14076.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100429.0088f850@earthlink.net> Ram, Response is below 5Hz. 5 Hz is the RAMM frequency! That is one more octave! tom brucker At 12:01 PM 4/14/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out <new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100429.0088f920@earthlink.net> Ben, The NY Times Sunday had an article about Ipod docking tube type amplifiers "repairing" the digital compression flaws. There are many people who record cd to cassette to eliminate the supersonic garbage that most cd players create. tom brucker At 09:46 AM 4/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> I was wondering about how to get the most out of the ZXL's abilities. Are you saying Ram that the tapes of cd's can sound better than the cd source? Surely the best it can do is match the source isn't it? I have no experience in this area as you may notice. I was thinking about recording direct off a turntable or off the radio to compare the results. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate some help. Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <884750.88044.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <796246.31827.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100429.0088f850@earthlink.net> Yessir! When you ship, cushion the heads in kleenex so they don't scratch or flex the head wires over much. tom At 03:40 AM 4/14/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Bala, Lets see. The sound in source is phenomenal. The deck plays great when I hold the play head in a certain position. The head assembly is just not right and I am too much of a clutz to try on my own. It needs an adjustment jig and azimuth adjustment( of system) Let me get the other three back. Then it will be the Dragon's turn. Thanks Does Tom have the jigs for the Dragon? Regards Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, Well obviously we can't glue things back into place. Its the heads, and nothing but the original mounts and fittings would do. Chances are we have to get parts off a parts deck to repair it. If the repair is massive, then my suggestion is to make this a parts deck. Get some photos for Tom to assess this deck..then you can better decide. Lets not scrap this deck if it can be repaired - albeit within a reasonably cost and effort. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:13:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, I just cant wait to get it back now. Meanwhile, the dragon came with heads literally floating.(From Sank) This would mean, either I keep it as a parts deck or send it somewhere(Tom?) to have a proper alignment and calibration. Mr. Sank was honest enough to say he did not want to charge me anything. Its got muffled sound and doesnt even calibrate. The heads are all over town in the assembly. The motors are strong and fiesty. speed is perfect. Any advice? Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ben, Ram, So I guess you found out that the ZXL can be fixed and it isnt too complex or hard. Its just a little more then a regular cassette deck so it requires some understanding of its nature. What else can this be but a beauty..rather imposing one that is! My sonlikes the press the transport controls and watch them magically light up... and he just goes into a reverie watching those massive FL meters..! Our success rates with this deck seems to be going up and I see others wanting to know about this performer - thats good as it means that we respect and acknowledge each others likes and tastes. Bala ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 17:04:27 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:04:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910704151616j3f8482adr1af5313df4ff73d9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> <46223F07.8040400@marrscommunications.com> <002701c77f97$eafbd3b0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070416100427.007a44c0@earthlink.net> Antione, When making conclusions about sound differences, remember there exist stereos with higher resolution than your own. If you cannot hear a difference, it may mean you cannot resolve the difference. Our brains are wonderful. Once you teach your brain to hear on a high resolution stereo, you can go back to low resolution stereos and resolve differences. This is the "golden ear" effect. tom brucker At 07:16 PM 4/15/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> I already compared CAT5, dual OFC coaxial and standard 16AWG cable(The cables were only 5 feet long), and there was no difference to the sound with the system I used. I only noticed a difference when I connected a cable to the A output of my amp, and one to the B input. The sound was much less loud, and I found out that when one of the speaker output is off, it's shorting both terminals. The amp(Which magically resists to output shorts) was running shorted when testing one of the cables, and that was the cause of the sound difference. An other reason why you could have heard a difference is that an higher gauge = less high freqs or things like that. On 4/15/07, Shaun Montgomery <spmontgomery at ntlworld.com> wrote: Well Fred, up to last week I would have wholly agreed with you. I have tried multi strand cable, solid core cables of differing diameters and strands and could hear little difference to make me want to expriment further. QED 79 strand seemed to be a fair general purpose speaker cable and I stayed with that. However, last year I purchased a s/h pair of bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers that came with a ready prepared set of Linn speaker cables (beautifully made and very substantial). These weren't quite long enough and I joined them to a set of QED 79 strand cable until such time as I could get a new set of custom length (5 metre lengths) speaker cable. The sound then was very detailed and somewhat brighter than I was accustomed to or desired. I put it down to the characteristics of the Rogers LS6 Speakers. A couple of weeks ago I finally had some multi stranded (140 odd strands per cable) bi-wired speaker cables made up and duly swopped with the existing cables. I was totally surprised to hear that the system sounded noticeably less detailed, slightly warmer sounding and as if there was a slight but auduble veil over the music. There was also a need to turn up the volume control a notch too. I checked every aspect of the installation and could find nothing untoward, either with polarity or phase when listened to with a Bib test tape. The sound has less life to it but at the same time a little easier on the ear than before. The only change that has been made to the original set up is that previously the Linn cables were joined together at the speaker end so that they could be termintaed onto a single set of speaker terminals. The new set are not joined together and they use both sets of speaker outputs on the Nakamichi Receiver1. I remain puzzled by the audible change! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: 15 April 2007 16:05 To: A Nak Subject: [naktalk] "Hearing is believing" Hi Graham and the group, The following statement is not intended to start a big controversy but to expand on "Hearing is Believing" Your statement on this subject hit the nail on the head. Taking this a step further, "Hearing is Believing" is the main reason the esoteric "high end" consumer electronics business exist. An example would be using zip cord for speaker wire instead of Monster cable, and how it is twisted. I am NOT defending zip cord but only using this as a example. I will go out on a limb and say my belief is, as long as you use more than sufficient cable size (gauge), based on the length of the run, and silver, copper or "gold" is used for capacitance reasons, you can hear NO difference. How the signal "travels" on the conductor, is Smoke and Mirrors. Yet, most people would fight to the death against this theory. Another widely unknown fact, you can take any particular product and remove it from Bland $.05 packaging, place it in a " high quality" $.35 package and sales will increase 2 fold just because of consumers perception. Same applies to the cosmetics of electronics equipment. An example would be Teac vs Tascam, although they used Tascam to approach a different market. As you said, for the most part, it's ALL in the mind! Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2190 (20070415) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 16 17:48:09 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:48:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL Message-ID: <8C94E55C41FD616-1D70-911E@MBLK-R02.sysops.aol.com> I bet Ram is Pacing up and down with anticipation of it's return. Maybe he's filling the car up as we speak!! Well done Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Apr 16 14:37:09 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:37:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES Message-ID: Howzit Walter, I have it here - as I'm sure you recall, it's the CT-S740S (combined with CT-S640S and CT-S540S). The CT-S830S is identical to the -740 except for the manual bias overide (it will defeat S-Auto BLE, as BLE will defeat HX-Pro.). It's in German and English. Confirm you're still at: P.O. Box 4291 Durban 4000. Then I will despatch it immediately!! Cheers meneer!! Marc >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 4/10/2007 2:02:55 PM >>> Hey Marc Hugo what about the Pioneer CT-S830S manual you kindly offered to send me so that I can rev mine against my NAKS? Nice to know you are still in the land of the ever rising sun in the Free State! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Comparison of Naks to Sony TCK A6ES > Hi Kelvin, > > I have a number of decks, including Nakamichi. The TC-KA3ES/TC-KA6ES is a > very competent machine and amongst the last of the superdecks from the > major manufacturers. It has a market parallel with machines from some > other makers such as Pioneer (CT-S740/830S) and TEAC (V6030/8030S). > Recordings on the latter - a V8030S are brilliant, make no mistake. I > have heard that the Sony also is top flight. Both sport Dolby S, which is > a revelation. Background noise is non-existent, although it is not a > especially concerning issue for me. > > However, when comparing these various marques, and I include Nakamichi, > many of them have a particular sonic characteristic which is peculiar to > the stable, whether it be Pioneer, Sony, Nakamichi etc. TEAC is pretty > neutral. I happen to like these subtle nuances, which why I also like > lots of different sorts of tapes. > > However, the TC-Ka3//6ES - that's your question - wonderful battleship of > a machine - quartz-clocked double capstan drive, motors are brushless, > coreless, slotless FG type, calibration is auto or fully metered manual > bias, level and eq, centre mount drive with ceramic holder, isolated > powers supplies (the entire chassis is split into three sections as with > all top ES models, walled-off with copper shielding, three heads, rec and > pb are an amorphous material, bias current runs at 160kHz - there's more > of course - just can't remember. > > On a quiet tape - like a true natural chrome such as an eighties BASF, or > a TDK SA-X and with Dolby S, hiss is not audible - dynamic range is -63.8 > (SA-X) + 3.6dB (315Hz MOL) + 24dB min Dolby S = 91.4dB. > > Buy with confidence. > > Marc > >>>> winniepoohlove at hotmail.com 4/10/2007 12:35:23 AM >>> > > > Hi, > > Anyone here ever compared their Naks to the Sony TCK A6ES? 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From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 18:04:09 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070416100431.0088c560@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <404911.24123.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I knew this deck was recording superb before disaster struck. I am also glad you took this deck up above all the others for service ( including my own Rx and 680 zx) I can wait for the other two, but his one, I cant wait to hear the thunderous bass and smooth treble, all at the same time, with no tweaks to the preamp eq buttons. Thanks again, Tom. With service personnel like you how could one have remorse? We need more Balas and Tom Bruckers here in Naktalk. Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 18:09:05 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070416100431.0088c560@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <93495.20256.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 18:13:29 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070416100429.0088f850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <626731.22096.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom for the correction. Lol. Ram Hi Tech wrote: Ram, Response is below 5Hz. 5 Hz is the RAMM frequency! That is one more octave! tom brucker At 12:01 PM 4/14/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Please make sure if there is too much rumble from your turntable to turn on your subsonic filter on. The zxl has frequency response down to 10Hertz, so the rumble will be cleanly audible on tape if left alone. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Luis, The turntable, CD and Tuner are connected to my Integrated amplifier. I was thinking that the amp / speakers / cables would act as filters of any input source that is then routed to the tape deck and then replayed. When taping CD's, on the Dragon / CR-7 / ZX-9, they are all capable of producing results that are indistinguishable from the source, to me anyway. Now, as the ZXL has improved specs, will there be any difference to other decks? Perhaps there will be. Would you expect better results from cd or tuner or turntable in the way they are currently connected? I see some audiophile cd's and vinyl for sale, how would these be any different? Sorry if this is OT a bit, but there must be an optimum set up for naks, perhaps a minumum of units in the signal path is the trend? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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If the current idler from WES is the same, I'm sure you would find it useful. My generic solution for the "classic belt" is the 75 X 0.6 X 5 from WES - once again - I'm hoping their current offering is the same as that sold before 2000. Here is a list of belt measurements that I developed over a period and found useful - it's not exhaustive, but the dimensions quoted are also the part number in a WES catalogue... BX100 CAPSTAN BELT 54 * 0.6 * 5 BX100 COUNTER BELT 57 * 0.8 BX300 B/T BELT 25 * 1.0 BX300 CAPSTAN BELT 72 * 0.6 * 6 CR3 CAPSTAN BELT 80 * 0.6 * 5 CR3 B/T BELT 25 * 1.0 480 CAPSTAN BELT 75 * 0.6 * 5 480 CONTROL BELT 37 * 1.6 480 COUNTER LARGE 75 * 1.0 480 COUNTER SMALL 37 * 0.8 ZX9 CAPSTAN BELT 72 * 0.6 * 5 680 COUNTER BELT 35 * 0.8 As I've said already, I used to order these from WES pre 2000 - use caution, they may not be the same part from the same source today. I hope that someone somewhere finds something useful in the above. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 35 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. WES Components Parts (johngipps at aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:05:00 -0400 From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] WES Components Parts To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8C9448DEE9B2BE8-C6C-2C4F at WEBMAIL-RE15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Tom By the way, WES don't promote it as "the WES classic Nakamichi belt" - that's just what I used it for - and I found it as good as the original Nak part OC08096. I assume that the belts they are offering now are the same - my last order of this part from WES was in about 2000. There was an idler in their catalogue that wasn't exactly the same as a BX idler - but very close - I have used it by necessity dozens of times and it worked just as well as the original Nak part OC80635. I don't know whether it's still in their catalogue - give me a few days to go and fetch my remaining stock and I'll then be able to give you a part number. I can't comment yet on the CIA718 idler. The RT3319 tyre in the WES catalogue was an item I encouraged them to stock for the DT series (500, 600 series) way back - it was fine then, but I haven't ordered any for ages, and it's possible that they may have changed supplier or there may be a misprint in the catalogue re the dimensions. Perhaps get a couple anyway and see what happens. I'll also look out my remaining stock of these and advise in a few days time. Hey, isn't it quiet all of a sudden on this forum. Regards John Gipps John,I plan to purchse the WES classic Nakamichi belt on your recommendation.I was searching their catalog for the BX 1 idler, since my source has suddenly been discontinued. Is the CIA718 idler by any chance the Nakamichi? I e mailed them to ask for measurements, and received only prices. 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URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 16 18:21:09 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:21:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding a manual References: <001101c77e30$ed869a60$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> <3.0.3.32.20070416100428.0088f900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006901c78043$3e624420$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Tom Do you happen to have the 480Z service manual. If so I would appreciate a scan/email of the Bias Osc circiut text desc [page 9 in the equiv 480 SM]. I am trying to equate the componentry in the circuit to that on the 480Z main PCB being C301 -305, Q301 - 4, R301-2 & T301 to establish the equivalents. Being very much a layman I need to be ultra cautious before messing with any electrical substitutions. Thanks dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help finding a manual > Scott I can xerox part of the schematic if you find no .pdf > > > tom brucker > > > At 06:53 PM 4/14/07 -0700, you wrote: > >>>>> > > Hi guys. > > > > I'm doing some research for my remote projects and am looking for the > service manuals for either the 580M or the 581. > > > > If anyone has an electronic copy I would really appreciate it. > > > > Email me directly at <p9019 at yahoo.com > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott J. > > > > > ---------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check out > < c=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new > cars at Yahoo! Autos. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > <<<<<<<< > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 > 16:22 > > From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 16 19:12:45 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:12:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Tom, Would you believe it my CD player has just stopped working! It keeps spitting the disc's back out. It's a Nak OMS-5EII. Lets try to clean the lense and see if this helps. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 19:17:37 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <8C94E55C41FD616-1D70-911E@MBLK-R02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070416171737.77599.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I was never more impatient on a repair yet! Yes I am eagerly awaiting the monster deck back. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: I bet Ram is Pacing up and down with anticipation of it's return. Maybe he's filling the car up as we speak!! Well done Tom. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 19:52:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL Message-ID: <597201.85812.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well looks likes we have one more for the 1000ZXL! Welcome Tom. I will take some pictures off my deck to show how they have to be bundled. The part damaged was the 39volts supply? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: tom brucker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:04:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 19:56:06 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <739259.29592.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well Tom I love meters. And thats another reason why I am using McIntosh amps. I also love the meters of the Nak 600, and Teac X1000R reel to reel... Should we petition to have a version of the ipod with VU meters? That would give me just one...just one reason to buy one of those things.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Wouter, You missed the 60s and 70s. We began our meter lust with the blue McIntosh 5" meters, dancing to the music like nothing else. I have the Yamaha B1+UC1 amplifier with the best needle meters known to the free world. Find an old 1000-II. The meter ballistics are true Vu, as found in recording desks (consoles to the Americans). Have spent years recording, there is nothing better than the slow/ fast combination displayed by true Vu needles. While the 660 has tiny meters, there are some who find needles ...real. tom brucker At 12:59 PM 4/14/07 +0200, Wouter Heijke wrote: >That is the better ZXL talk! >You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. >First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. >didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it >when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later >here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully >functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, >fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! >Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also >found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. >Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it >gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice >as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! >Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a >friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it >for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! > >Keep in mind this is just my impression! > >Wouter > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger >> 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. >> Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. >> But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it >> performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good >> knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine >> covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is >> aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the >> touch of two buttons! >> >> After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. >> >> Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their >> later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise >> shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. >> And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Benstratford at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> Bala, >> >> Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on >> them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which >> introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the >> larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality >> of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's >> size and presence. I am now hooked on it. >> The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality >> between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her >> inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the >> troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a >> deck sat there. >> I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and >> really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the >> potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll >> just have to wait for those caps to arrive! >> Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them >> all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares >> unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may >> actually come off worse! >> Best Regards, Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 19:59:43 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 20:16:36 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <739259.29592.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181238.7637.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Even if the petition succeeds, the meters would be larger than the ipod itsel! Lol. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Well Tom I love meters. And thats another reason why I am using McIntosh amps. I also love the meters of the Nak 600, and Teac X1000R reel to reel... Should we petition to have a version of the ipod with VU meters? That would give me just one...just one reason to buy one of those things.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Wouter, You missed the 60s and 70s. We began our meter lust with the blue McIntosh 5" meters, dancing to the music like nothing else. I have the Yamaha B1+UC1 amplifier with the best needle meters known to the free world. Find an old 1000-II. The meter ballistics are true Vu, as found in recording desks (consoles to the Americans). Have spent years recording, there is nothing better than the slow/ fast combination displayed by true Vu needles. While the 660 has tiny meters, there are some who find needles ...real. tom brucker At 12:59 PM 4/14/07 +0200, Wouter Heijke wrote: >That is the better ZXL talk! >You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. >First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. >didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it >when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later >here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully >functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, >fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! >Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also >found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. >Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it >gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice >as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! >Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a >friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it >for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! > >Keep in mind this is just my impression! > >Wouter > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger >> 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. >> Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. >> But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it >> performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good >> knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine >> covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is >> aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the >> touch of two buttons! >> >> After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. >> >> Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their >> later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise >> shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. >> And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Benstratford at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> Bala, >> >> Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on >> them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which >> introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the >> larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality >> of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's >> size and presence. I am now hooked on it. >> The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality >> between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her >> inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the >> troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a >> deck sat there. >> I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and >> really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the >> potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll >> just have to wait for those caps to arrive! >> Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them >> all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares >> unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may >> actually come off worse! >> Best Regards, Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at xenacom.net Mon Apr 16 20:18:12 2007 From: paul at xenacom.net (Paul Tombleson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:18:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012001c78053$a87d66e0$f97834a0$@net> Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good condition. I'm the proud owner of 3 Naks. 582, MR-1 and CR7. however I'm thinking I don't need 3 decks. And I'm using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need right now. Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my old favorite deck. Paul Tombleson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Apr 16 20:22:00 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:22:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bala Message-ID: <001e01c78054$209851d0$a5d117c4@home> Bala ,your calling in life is to produce that repair manual for the 1000ZXL !!! Do not wait too long! We need it! With it more and more of these old superb decks would become working again and come out of the shadows!!! walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I'm using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need > right now. > > Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my > old favorite deck. > > > > Paul Tombleson > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 16 20:47:33 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <93495.20256.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <496814.89856.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at xenacom.net Mon Apr 16 20:59:51 2007 From: paul at xenacom.net (Paul Tombleson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:59:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110704161135v15d3e0e6r8adf6d2609cf0266@mail.gmail.com> References: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012001c78053$a87d66e0$f97834a0$@net> <6bddc1110704161135v15d3e0e6r8adf6d2609cf0266@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <014c01c78059$75f0aba0$61d202e0$@net> Thanks Tim… that helps me think about what I want to do then. Paul From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 I paid just around a hundred dollars recently for a pristine 582 on eBay that came with original manual/supplement, the Nak azimuth screw, and a sealed Nakamichi ZX-60 tape. This might not be the norm, however. -Tim On 4/16/07, Paul Tombleson wrote: Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good condition. I'm the proud owner of 3 Naks… 582, MR-1 and CR7… however I'm thinking I don't need 3 decks. And I'm using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need right now. Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my old favorite deck. Paul Tombleson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 16 21:41:21 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:41:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: <468A9F90-4CAC-4E88-AEC4-412CEF580466@alumni.caltech.edu> > Prior repairs were > not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the > mechanism > are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be > bundled? I'm not sure which ones you mean. I assume by the bias board you mean the CPU boards? Maybe giving both the sources & destinations (at least broadly speaking; e.g. "from the mechanism to the logic/RAMM boards" as opposed to "from the mechanism to the PB Dolby/Rec Dolby boards") would help. Speaking of 'not well done prior repairs'--this one is mostly for the techs--how about some stories of things you couldn't believe. Not so much the run of the mill some traces got lifted unsoldering, or stuff like that, but truly awful things--preferably if it only looks like they were done by someone that was supposed to be competent--e.g. was being paid. For example, I can do a pretty good job soldering on a good day but if it's really complicated or I have to undo and redo something a number of times, or it's hard to get the part out, etc., I know I'm not always that paitient so some of my more "project" kind of machines show issues there. But I know my limits enough to know that if it's a machine I really cared about or someone else's I just wouldn't touch it and send it to someone better than I. But I've seen some awful things from the e-bay machines. Two come to mind and I will give examples: 1. My "project" 700zxl--mostly working now except needs alignment as the next steps--sounds OK, but oddly only autocals successfully when the receiver underneath it is turned on (so even though it's kind of shielded, needs the EMF from the transformer or something?). It had a number of traces on different boards cut very neatly. Some looked like they were factory mods that should up on later version boards, but others (plus some rewiring) looked like features were progressively being disabled as they failed due to a bad component, rather than fixing the problem. 2. One of my 1000zxls: It's the most sad in this aspect. I got it from someone who seemed to really care about his machines. It mostly arrived with a power supply electrolytic that got snapped off during shipping as a problem, but had some other minor issues that got fixed when it went in. It still had a problem with external NR (turned out partly relays and partly a bad connector for the NR-100 in the NR-100 itself, but I didn't know better at the time...), and I've since had some other issues, some self-inflicted--but I digress. What was sad about this machine and what makes it a royal pain to work on (I can imagine the tech I used to have commenting on it during his time with it...) is that someone removed all the connectors on the 4 removable boards (PB Dolby, Detector, Record Amp, and Record Dolby) and their matching connectors on the Main PCB, made pins out of what looks like paper clip wire for the 4 removable boards, and soldered them directly into the Main PCB. At this point one of the connectors on the detector boards has even those removed and wires routed around the back of the Main PCB and soldered to where they would normally connect to--can't remember/don't know if this was my tech or was done before, but I know the boards were soldered in directly before he ever touched it. Please, no personal attributions, insults, etc. Just keep it to the facts and no insinuations about others on the list.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 16 22:48:55 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:48:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes Message-ID: <4623E137.7060900@xs4all.nl> To all 1000ZXL lovers, Went digging in old personal email (1999/2000) from Goto, a former Nak technician and found some on the 1000ZXL, Enjoy! Wouter It took a lot of time for the development of 1000ZXL. At one time, it would seem that products would be cancelled, if could not get the satisfactory performance. The day before the meeting which has to be opened for the big decision, one engineer drew a response curve by 'HAND!' to conceal the actual bad characteristics and presented it to the meeting. By that irregular action, we could continue to develop. It means that model was not achieved the target during development! 1000ZXL was shipped out in 1980. We had a problem in the first exhibition in that year. Those days, we were using the special demonstration tape. One of contents was a heavy low tone and loudly sound of the steam locomotive live recorded. That was a good sound to demonstrate the 1000ZXL quality. But at the same time, it made it a trouble in RAMM computer. We spent time to fix it from the investigation. Anyway 1000ZXL had a many troubles until become the production stabled from develop, and the best cassette deck too! Among of Nak products, 1000ZXL limited is the king! 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual sound quality. However the playback head was selected out! The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the high frequency. PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! That is an advantage. And the total number of model is not clear. We guess it was around 100 units. I am sorry for the response that was so late. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 16 22:55:40 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:55:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) In-Reply-To: <468A9F90-4CAC-4E88-AEC4-412CEF580466@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <468A9F90-4CAC-4E88-AEC4-412CEF580466@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4623E2CC.7030902@xs4all.nl> Well.... got my Dragon from a friend who took it from Singapore, bought in in a audio shop there.... Bad shape, technically, optically reasonable. When I opened it up the big shock! No AutoAzimuth unit!!!! Tom van der Hoff in the good old days when there were enough pars fixed everything, even placed new heads, now plays fine and is a Dragon again! Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> Prior repairs were >> not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the >> mechanism >> are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be >> bundled? > > But I've seen some awful things from the e-bay machines. Two come to > mind and I will give examples: > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 16 23:08:03 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:08:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes Message-ID: <465B6B8A-1022-4668-8872-FC76C8B8F6A6@alumni.caltech.edu> > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 23:13:22 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) In-Reply-To: <4623E2CC.7030902@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <147230.34441.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I received a CR2A with blasted Microprocessor - I have never seen any Nak microprocessor going bad> i had to investigate very carefully why it had happened. Finally I found somebody plucked two connectors on the wrong sockets - very difficult as most of the connectors will either have different number of pins or atleast different color! I used that CR2A for gear drive partsrequired to convert a BX300! kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Well.... got my Dragon from a friend who took it from Singapore, bought in in a audio shop there.... Bad shape, technically, optically reasonable. When I opened it up the big shock! No AutoAzimuth unit!!!! Tom van der Hoff in the good old days when there were enough pars fixed everything, even placed new heads, now plays fine and is a Dragon again! 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Apr 16 23:11:05 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:11:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <496814.89856.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691354.90149.qm@web86510.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Mike For what its worth, I quote (except for my ), from a Autumn 1980 Nak/NSS Press release: London, August, 1980 - Natural Sound Systems proudly announces "The Ultimate Recording Investment" ( 27 years later, I think we may have got that right ;-) "With A.B.L.E. Alignment, frequency response is a Record-Shattering (;-) 10Hz to 25,000Hz + - 3dB on any Quality tape. On quality ferric, chrome/chrome equivalent, and metal formulations, response from 20Hz 20,000Hz is within+ - 0.5dB - far more accurate than has ever been achieved heretofore (what!) on a cassette deck or , for that matter, on open reel equipment. A unique Bias-set switch changes the entire range of Bias possibilities + - 12.5% to accomodate tapes of the future" I think you might want to allow for a "little" Copy writers license in there methinks :-) Regards Terry LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 23:17:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <496814.89856.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070416211745.73932.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, I shall post on this matter ASAP. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Apr 16 23:24:16 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:24:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-5EII Repairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009D59DF-8FB2-44EC-A78B-B0CA02406D11@thegreatbear.net> hi ben... the runners often get sticky grease.. my old sony 333esd has had the same problem.. i cleaned the old grease off with IPA then regreased ... it seems fine now... as per usual.. i think the nak CD players have special issues... there's a very experienced tech on the www.diyaudio.com forums who's worked on these cd players alot.. here's a link to one of the OSM threads: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php? s=&threadid=75951&highlight= adrian On 16 Apr 2007, at 18:46, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Lens cleaned and now working but the pick up is not travelling > properly, it is sticking or jumping ahead I.E. missing out sections > of the track. Do the runners get lubricated does anyone know? Or > maybe there's a belt that is slipping? > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 16 23:27:14 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:27:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes In-Reply-To: <465B6B8A-1022-4668-8872-FC76C8B8F6A6@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <465B6B8A-1022-4668-8872-FC76C8B8F6A6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4623EA32.9040501@xs4all.nl> You got the interesting part! What is this 'filter' he talkes about? Bala?? I was looking for the low freq of 1000zxl, remembered reading something about it.... Actually the quotes came from 2 emails and I did not remember if i published both before. Still is interesting to read. Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! > > Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original > but do remember seeing your quote > of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I > didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. > > Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are > you listening and thinking > what I am heh-heh...-kby > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 23:27:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <691354.90149.qm@web86510.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632566.85372.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Terry! You stole the owrds out of my mouth! Satisfied Mike? Thanks Ram TERRY FINN wrote: Hi Mike For what its worth, I quote (except for my ), from a Autumn 1980 Nak/NSS Press release: London, August, 1980 - Natural Sound Systems proudly announces "The Ultimate Recording Investment" ( 27 years later, I think we may have got that right ;-) "With A.B.L.E. Alignment, frequency response is a Record-Shattering (;-) 10Hz to 25,000Hz + - 3dB on any Quality tape. On quality ferric, chrome/chrome equivalent, and metal formulations, response from 20Hz 20,000Hz is within+ - 0.5dB - far more accurate than has ever been achieved heretofore (what!) on a cassette deck or , for that matter, on open reel equipment. A unique Bias-set switch changes the entire range of Bias possibilities + - 12.5% to accomodate tapes of the future" I think you might want to allow for a "little" Copy writers license in there methinks :-) Regards Terry LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 23:35:11 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes In-Reply-To: <465B6B8A-1022-4668-8872-FC76C8B8F6A6@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <684186.45943.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Infact Stephen Sank had measured 12 Hz to 35 Khz response ( rec/replay ) on lowly 582 ( search old Naktalk archives). Bias trap had limited that to 26 Khz at -20 dB level. The real problem is the Bias trap on play circuit ( Goto is also referring the same when he mentioned 1000ZXL upper response). 1000ZXL has a play circuit wihout any DC filter capacitor and so can go down further than this 12 Hz ( also troublesome - requires trimming to reduce DC offset!!!). The circuit ( of 1000 ZXL can be adopted ) can produce same results on a Dragon or your 680 or for that matter a 582. I do not know whether 700ZXL has similar circuit topology ( for play)? The 1000 ZXL service manual also refers to special adjustment to capacitor values to flatten the lower end from 60 Hz to 20 Hz. The kudos go to the Nakamichi heads. Stephen sank had infact pointed to this low frequency response that is special to Nakamichi recorders. again - Nakamichi published figures for that matter on many of their recorders are very conservative and nakamichi did not need these figures to sell their stuff! Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 16 23:55:41 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:55:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <00527AA2-3CE0-45AC-9A2B-7B59EFC16FAD@alumni.caltech.edu> > The real problem is the Bias trap on play circuit ( Goto is also referring the same when he mentioned 1000ZXL upper response). > 1000ZXL has a play circuit wihout any DC filter capacitor and so can go down further than this 12 Hz ( also troublesome - requires trimming to reduce DC offset!!!). >The circuit ( of 1000 ZXL can be adopted ) can produce same results on a Dragon or your 680 or for that matter a 582. I do not know whether 700ZXL has similar circuit topology ( for play)? > The 700zxl uses the exact same playback Dolby board as the 1000zxl (they are interchangable even in physical form factor). FWIW the same is true of the Record Dolby board, but not the record amp. However, for playing at half-speed, these shouldn't be an issue as the frequencies going in are < 20kHz and coming out, since it's at half-speed, < 20kHz (or therabouts) or so.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 16 23:43:34 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <691354.90149.qm@web86510.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467851.32372.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Terry: Thanks for your clarification as I have not seen any description like this in any 1000ZXL owner/service/brochures as well as audio test results over here in the U.S. up to this moment ( as far as I know of ) and I will update your stated quotes in my data base. My next question is whether this extension of frequency response is a factory preset ( this means that all the 1000ZXL can go this low as well as +/-0.5db other than +/-0.75db as published ) or this is a special tweak result? Now I just wonder why Nakamichi does not update this marvelous piece of information in their ZXL brochures ever if this is indeed offical. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike TERRY FINN wrote: Hi Mike For what its worth, I quote (except for my ), from a Autumn 1980 Nak/NSS Press release: London, August, 1980 - Natural Sound Systems proudly announces "The Ultimate Recording Investment" ( 27 years later, I think we may have got that right ;-) "With A.B.L.E. Alignment, frequency response is a Record-Shattering (;-) 10Hz to 25,000Hz + - 3dB on any Quality tape. On quality ferric, chrome/chrome equivalent, and metal formulations, response from 20Hz 20,000Hz is within+ - 0.5dB - far more accurate than has ever been achieved heretofore (what!) on a cassette deck or , for that matter, on open reel equipment. A unique Bias-set switch changes the entire range of Bias possibilities + - 12.5% to accomodate tapes of the future" I think you might want to allow for a "little" Copy writers license in there methinks :-) Regards Terry LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 16 23:44:46 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <632566.85372.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <584020.44286.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: Not satisfied yet but exciting and very impressed !!!! Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Terry! You stole the owrds out of my mouth! Satisfied Mike? Thanks Ram TERRY FINN wrote: Hi Mike For what its worth, I quote (except for my ), from a Autumn 1980 Nak/NSS Press release: London, August, 1980 - Natural Sound Systems proudly announces "The Ultimate Recording Investment" ( 27 years later, I think we may have got that right ;-) "With A.B.L.E. Alignment, frequency response is a Record-Shattering (;-) 10Hz to 25,000Hz + - 3dB on any Quality tape. On quality ferric, chrome/chrome equivalent, and metal formulations, response from 20Hz 20,000Hz is within+ - 0.5dB - far more accurate than has ever been achieved heretofore (what!) on a cassette deck or , for that matter, on open reel equipment. A unique Bias-set switch changes the entire range of Bias possibilities + - 12.5% to accomodate tapes of the future" I think you might want to allow for a "little" Copy writers license in there methinks :-) Regards Terry LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 23:52:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes In-Reply-To: <684186.45943.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648466.57459.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Its a shame that we have lost Stephen Sank to refurbish our great machines from the past. He has assured me he willbe back after a year's hiatus. Its obvious from the way the Naks sound that the low frequencies are subsonic in nature on certain tracks. Regards, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Infact Stephen Sank had measured 12 Hz to 35 Khz response ( rec/replay ) on lowly 582 ( search old Naktalk archives). Bias trap had limited that to 26 Khz at -20 dB level. The real problem is the Bias trap on play circuit ( Goto is also referring the same when he mentioned 1000ZXL upper response). 1000ZXL has a play circuit wihout any DC filter capacitor and so can go down further than this 12 Hz ( also troublesome - requires trimming to reduce DC offset!!!). The circuit ( of 1000 ZXL can be adopted ) can produce same results on a Dragon or your 680 or for that matter a 582. I do not know whether 700ZXL has similar circuit topology ( for play)? The 1000 ZXL service manual also refers to special adjustment to capacitor values to flatten the lower end from 60 Hz to 20 Hz. The kudos go to the Nakamichi heads. Stephen sank had infact pointed to this low frequency response that is special to Nakamichi recorders. again - Nakamichi published figures for that matter on many of their recorders are very conservative and nakamichi did not need these figures to sell their stuff! Kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Would that better ( ignore practical technical difficulities ) just like some dual speed cassette decks ( TEAC C-3X for example ) ? Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 00:02:55 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <584020.44286.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599599.7477.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, Thats what this forum is all about. passionate and Nak lovers like you , me and others. Keep the juice flowing! Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Not satisfied yet but exciting and very impressed !!!! Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Terry! You stole the owrds out of my mouth! Satisfied Mike? Thanks Ram TERRY FINN wrote: Hi Mike For what its worth, I quote (except for my ), from a Autumn 1980 Nak/NSS Press release: London, August, 1980 - Natural Sound Systems proudly announces "The Ultimate Recording Investment" ( 27 years later, I think we may have got that right ;-) "With A.B.L.E. Alignment, frequency response is a Record-Shattering (;-) 10Hz to 25,000Hz + - 3dB on any Quality tape. On quality ferric, chrome/chrome equivalent, and metal formulations, response from 20Hz 20,000Hz is within+ - 0.5dB - far more accurate than has ever been achieved heretofore (what!) on a cassette deck or , for that matter, on open reel equipment. A unique Bias-set switch changes the entire range of Bias possibilities + - 12.5% to accomodate tapes of the future" I think you might want to allow for a "little" Copy writers license in there methinks :-) Regards Terry LENA WONG wrote: Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 00:05:05 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes In-Reply-To: <470623.19128.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109476.34927.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would think there would be tremendously extended head room at double the spped to facilitate higher highs....if the source material could feed it! Must be an LP with a supersensitive cartridge on a Dragon or CT turntable! Hmmmm makes my mind wonder! Ram LENA WONG wrote: How about twice the speed ? Would that better ( ignore practical technical difficulities ) just like some dual speed cassette decks ( TEAC C-3X for example ) ? Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 17 00:11:13 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:11:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL Message-ID: <227C46B9-7ABD-4272-A4B0-8B4BE2229E01@alumni.caltech.edu> > My next question is whether this extension of frequency response is > a factory preset ( this means that all the 1000ZXL can go this low > as well as +/-0.5db other than +/-0.75db as published ) or this is > a special tweak result? > > Now I just wonder why Nakamichi does not update this > marvelous piece of information in their ZXL brochures ever if this > is indeed offical. Thanks. Given that this is an announcement press release (and thus early), and Ram's manual is also early, I would guess they all behave pretty much the same, but for mfg. or other reasons they felt they didn't want to always meet that spec, and that the 10Hz was either a typo or an early claim that they later updated to the higher number (get a better success rate and it doesn't cost you anything for that odd machine that can't make 10Hz).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 17 00:21:22 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:21:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historical notes Message-ID: <20F94755-FBF6-43C4-9317-F513C8EE00D4@alumni.caltech.edu> > How about twice the speed ? Would that better ( ignore practical technical difficulities ) just like some dual speed cassette decks ( TEAC C-3X for example ) ? I think the feeling has been (for what it's worth), or at least is for me: 1. The higher speed shortens the already too-short (for us opera listeners, at least) length of recording time per side. 2. The higher speed is less of a challenge in that it's just that the physics works a lot better--one of the reasons why even lousy R2R performance is often better than good cassette performance. 3. Given #2, with Nak heads and such, doubling the speed seems like the cheap easy way out (for the mfg) to upping the specs, at the expense of #1. Halving the speed, on the other hand: 1. Doubles the length of time per side and makes it competetive with 10.5" reels at 7.5ips 2. Gives from an audible standpoint of view at least an arguably equivalent performance (using the 40kHz head mentioned above). 3. Is just fun to meet the challenge of having the physics work AGAINST you and still coming out ahead. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 17 00:29:52 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:29:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff used to do this for ZX9's upon request. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 April 2007 19:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 17 00:39:42 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:39:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: > ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for > playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. > Jeff? > How adjustable we talkin' about? I mean, it is adjustable with a screwdriver--that's pretty much "user accessible". To me, the trick is getting it to do it in a way that doesn't require an alignment tape and T-100. To me, if "user-adjustable" means just adding a knob instead of a screwdriver, it's not worth it.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 17 00:27:44 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <227C46B9-7ABD-4272-A4B0-8B4BE2229E01@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <152009.82243.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So I think it is indeed valuable for Ram to publish a scan of his owner manual ( just the page that shows the spec ) which shows the better specification so we can retain an important piece of historial reference. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: My next question is whether this extension of frequency response is a factory preset ( this means that all the 1000ZXL can go this low as well as +/-0.5db other than +/-0.75db as published ) or this is a special tweak result? Now I just wonder why Nakamichi does not update this marvelous piece of information in their ZXL brochures ever if this is indeed offical. Thanks. Given that this is an announcement press release (and thus early), and Ram's manual is also early, I would guess they all behave pretty much the same, but for mfg. or other reasons they felt they didn't want to always meet that spec, and that the 10Hz was either a typo or an early claim that they later updated to the higher number (get a better success rate and it doesn't cost you anything for that odd machine that can't make 10Hz).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 00:41:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <227C46B9-7ABD-4272-A4B0-8B4BE2229E01@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <247053.69648.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo. Actually what I am reading off is a 1000ZXL brochure from Nakamichi that says frquency response: at -20 dbRecord level 10-25000 Hz,+-3dB and at the same record level, 20-20000 Hz,+-0.75dB The owners manual which is in fron of me reads only, 18-25000 Hz,+-3db at -20 dB record level. I was trying to scan a copy on my scanner, but cant find a usb cable to connect my scanner! As you say, the brochure was, perhaps to lure customers( and the deck may have gone to 10Hz for all that we know) and the owners manual was very conservative so as to not get into legal quagmires! There. Its settled then Mike. Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: My next question is whether this extension of frequency response is a factory preset ( this means that all the 1000ZXL can go this low as well as +/-0.5db other than +/-0.75db as published ) or this is a special tweak result? Now I just wonder why Nakamichi does not update this marvelous piece of information in their ZXL brochures ever if this is indeed offical. Thanks. Given that this is an announcement press release (and thus early), and Ram's manual is also early, I would guess they all behave pretty much the same, but for mfg. or other reasons they felt they didn't want to always meet that spec, and that the 10Hz was either a typo or an early claim that they later updated to the higher number (get a better success rate and it doesn't cost you anything for that odd machine that can't make 10Hz).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 06:32:51 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes Message-ID: <435539.25506.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well the first thing is that the tape noise will go down noticeably. And you will have some extended headroom so you could record a more hotter signal and thus get better dynamics. Fearful as the ZXL's bass is, its probably going to displace the four 12in woofers on my speakers. I've played back tapes made on a 680ZX, with the source material being a direct LP. It was played back using a Benz Ruby II. The playback on the ZXL was more extended and the treble was more sweeter. I do not think that the ZXL was adding any artifacts, but rather playing back the material on the tape with better fidelity. The deck does not seem to be handicapped by the fact that there is no playback head azimuth adjustment. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:05:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes I would think there would be tremendously extended head room at double the spped to facilitate higher highs....if the source material could feed it! Must be an LP with a supersensitive cartridge on a Dragon or CT turntable! Hmmmm makes my mind wonder! Ram LENA WONG wrote: How about twice the speed ? Would that better ( ignore practical technical difficulities ) just like some dual speed cassette decks ( TEAC C-3X for example ) ? Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original but do remember seeing your quote of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are you listening and thinking what I am heh-heh...-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Usual cassette decks at that time did not go as low as the 680s and ZXLs did. But most importantly, you did not want the rumble to affect your RAMM encoded tapes. Because of the extreme frequency response of the ZXL, you have to worry about all these issues, that do not matter on conventional cassette decks. Having said that, the 1000ZXL is not just something that record from DC to Daylight frequencies on tape. What is actually does is give you extended, sustained bass AND a sweet and open treble at the same time. Overall its a very pleasing deck to listen to, and those who own or have listened to the 1000ZXL will have experienced this. And it delivers all these as a balanced and enjoyable package . Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:27:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000zxl historic notes You got the interesting part! What is this 'filter' he talkes about? Bala?? I was looking for the low freq of 1000zxl, remembered reading something about it.... Actually the quotes came from 2 emails and I did not remember if i published both before. Still is interesting to read. Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! > > Wouter, thanks for refreshing us on that; I did not see the original > but do remember seeing your quote > of the 1000zxl ltd at one point when it was being discussed, but I > didn't remember the 40-40kHz thing. > > Hmmm, that means it could go to 20-25kHz at half-speed...Bala, are > you listening and thinking > what I am heh-heh...-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 08:04:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <979040.52871.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:39:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? How adjustable we talkin' about? I mean, it is adjustable with a screwdriver--that's pretty much "user accessible". To me, the trick is getting it to do it in a way that doesn't require an alignment tape and T-100. To me, if "user-adjustable" means just adding a knob instead of a screwdriver, it's not worth it.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 01:30:10 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <152009.82243.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <901511.20950.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, The spec I read off was from a brochure of the zxl. The manula does say, 18-25000 at +-3dB @-20 rec level. Its the brochure that says 10-25000 for the same parameters above. Sorry for my error. Why these two specs....may be marketing and then the lawyers bla bla bla to Nak, so they stuck to conservatism in owners manual! Thanks for being persistant mark. Ram LENA WONG wrote: So I think it is indeed valuable for Ram to publish a scan of his owner manual ( just the page that shows the spec ) which shows the better specification so we can retain an important piece of historial reference. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: My next question is whether this extension of frequency response is a factory preset ( this means that all the 1000ZXL can go this low as well as +/-0.5db other than +/-0.75db as published ) or this is a special tweak result? Now I just wonder why Nakamichi does not update this marvelous piece of information in their ZXL brochures ever if this is indeed offical. Thanks. Given that this is an announcement press release (and thus early), and Ram's manual is also early, I would guess they all behave pretty much the same, but for mfg. or other reasons they felt they didn't want to always meet that spec, and that the 10Hz was either a typo or an early claim that they later updated to the higher number (get a better success rate and it doesn't cost you anything for that odd machine that can't make 10Hz).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 02:25:20 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:25:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? Message-ID: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut down, leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. Adjustment of VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My first thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee drawing to much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and shutting down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to the fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is something simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and reseating the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and hope to keep it running for the rest of my days. Thanks, Samuel Crider -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winamped at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 03:05:44 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:05:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Re: Why No List Of Service Centers Message-ID: Thanks for the overview Tom. I think I was a bit on the track with my initial e-mail noting that there are a number of folks in here that engage in servicing on the side/as a hobby/or whatever you'd like to term it. I don't disagree with what you say, but right there in your overview you've noted a number of individuals who may or may not work on a Nak depending on the situation....so I'm wondering why it's never gotten to a point where you'd want those people listed if the trust and long term relationship is there. One a note in relation to "openly advertised" service centers, it would appear from some of the rather heated discussions a couple weeks ago regarding one of them....that there is an interest expressed from some folks in regards to who's out there, what they do (or don't do), and past experiences from other Nak enthusiasts. I'd be willing to bet that out of the regulars who post here, there are a number of lurkers that would be very happy with some way of knowing what their options are. I realize in the short time I've been around, that in "here" (at naks.com) it is something akin to a backyard cookout, meaning that most everyone is on very friendly terms and they like to hang out to swap stories and help the various cooks with advice and some helpful hands on. Professional cooks are not always needed (but not turned away). But if there's a chance that some of the food will go bad just because someone wants their food cooked with some spice that only a pro might have, potentially that means that the pool of resouces gets smaller a lot quicker. I forget where I read it (here or somewhere on the net) but somebody who works on Naks said that a lot of the maintenance repair work that he does is fixing up problems caused by technicians who really didn't know what they were doing. If a cross-reference of known service centers were kept, at least you could rest at ease knowing that if nothing else, a person has the option to take it to a reliable place...so that some time down the road that person can re-introduce that Nak back into the pool rather than the dump. As a last note of my overlong message. I was sitting around with some spare time the other night and did a google search for: "authorized Nakamichi service" There were a lot of dead-ends and non-related stuff, but I did find some listings...and I e-mailed some of the places. So far I have gotten positive replies from two shops: sound-smith.com approvedaudioservice.com I'm waiting for replies from two other shops who list themselves as Nak service. I'm just throwing these two up for reference. Maybe you or some of the others have dealt with these folks and have thoughts. Also, one of the links was actually for the official Nak site with a couple shops listed, but I haven't had a chance to e-mail any of them yet asking if they still work on Naks. Thanks for your patience in reading all this. I don't mean to offend or stir up things. It's just being new here I thought I'd bring a different viewpoint from an outsider. Gary >There were Nakamichi servicers worldwide. The dynamics of the loss of parts >and shrinking demand, and lack of dealer based service centers has caused >all but an intrepid few to abandon Nak service. > The attitude here is to provide all the self help and diagnostics within >our community. Your prospective Dragon may have a simple spot of dirt on >the play head, or have orange cap problems in the auto azimuth circuit. >My own repairs are proceeding at a slower pace than I had hoped, however I >am learning many new tricks after so many years away from Nak repairs. If >you are in the US, ESL can completely rework your Dragon, essentially >resetting its clock back to new condition. I can repair your Nak, but I >have parts limitations. Willy Herman in Berkeley CA can also be >recommended. Steve Sank was a resource for repairs, but he may have phased >that business out. Robert Kent appears to be repairing simple problems. >A service center quickly reaches a dead end IF/WHEN head alignment checks >are required. Special flexibility was built into Nakamichi head blocks, >thus they required special custom gauges and alignment tapes. NakTalk is >currently trying to duplicate these rare gauges, produce tapes, and to some >extent, purchase test equipment, to meet this need. > Typical functional Dragons sell for 400-600 $ US. On your deck I >would budget 200 for repairs, unless you are interested in the ESL makeover. > >tom brucker ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 17 03:45:15 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <292875.80809.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra: You mean Jeff can install a manual playback azimuth control onto a ZX-9 just like the CR-7A and CD-1? That definitely sounds interesting. Thanks. Mike Graham Nelson wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Jeff used to do this for ZX9's upon request. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 April 2007 19:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Tue Apr 17 04:36:40 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:36:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 In-Reply-To: <00fe01c77f86$c840e5b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: Dave: Thanks for the tip. Once my registration is approved, I will be able to view and/or download the service manual for the 480. Peace, Mike >From: >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:52:06 +0100 > >Mike > >There is a free download service manual for the 480 [not the 480Z] on >www.ebaman.com that will enable U to check out the options better. > >Regards >Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jamiep8 at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:56 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 > > > Hi. Any help would be appreciated. I own a Nak 480, which is running too >fast. I have confirmed this in three other decks, another 480, an Aiwa 990, >and my car deck, an Alpine 7525. Tapes made on the machine in question are >too slow in all the other decks. Is there an adjustment screw or knob >somewhere inside where I can make a correction? HELP!!! Peace, Mike > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: >14/04/2007 21:36 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates Fall Again! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18679&moid=7581 From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 17 16:16:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:16:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4624D6CB.10402@rcn.com> sam's mail wrote: > Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! > > Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages > correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 > seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut down, > leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. Adjustment of > VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My first > thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee drawing to > much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and shutting > down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to the > fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is something > simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and reseating > the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and hope to > keep it running for the rest of my days. > > > Thanks, > Samuel Crider There could be several causes. Most common is a worn/slippery idler tire, but you say that yours is new (and, presumably, correctly installed). The second most common cause is a bad reel motor. The ability to FF/REW does not guaranty that the motor is good. IME, reel motors do not generally respond well to overhauling. However, if you feel adventurous and enjoy gambling, try to open the motor up, clean brushes and commutator and lubricate bearings at both ends. Even if it doesn't solve the problem, it can't do any harm if done correctly. VR601 should affect the motor torque during play. If you do not have a torque meter, see if it affects the voltage supplied to the motor during play. If not, you have a problem right there. The last cause could be a fault in the motor drive circuit. I kinda doubt it, but a fault in the logic is also a distant possibility. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 15:26:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:26:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070417082620.00888b70@earthlink.net> Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 15:26:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:26:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <739259.29592.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070417082620.00887a00@earthlink.net> Funniest idea I've ever heard. You are a genius. One of the tube Ipod docks had a magic eye tube with a green lense that would bounce with the music. tom At 10:56 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well Tom I love meters. And thats another reason why I am using McIntosh amps. I also love the meters of the Nak 600, and Teac X1000R reel to reel... Should we petition to have a version of the ipod with VU meters? That would give me just one...just one reason to buy one of those things.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Wouter, You missed the 60s and 70s. We began our meter lust with the blue McIntosh 5" meters, dancing to the music like nothing else. I have the Yamaha B1+UC1 amplifier with the best needle meters known to the free world. Find an old 1000-II. The meter ballistics are true Vu, as found in recording desks (consoles to the Americans). Have spent years recording, there is nothing better than the slow/ fast combination displayed by true Vu needles. While the 660 has tiny meters, there are some who find needles ...real. tom brucker At 12:59 PM 4/14/07 +0200, Wouter Heijke wrote: >That is the better ZXL talk! >You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. >First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. >didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it >when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later >here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully >functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, >fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! >Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also >found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. >Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it >gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice >as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! >Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a >friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it >for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! > >Keep in mind this is just my impression! > >Wouter > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger >> 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. >> Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. >> But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it >> performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good >> knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine >> covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is >> aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the >> touch of two buttons! >> >> After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. >> >> Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their >> later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise >> shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. >> And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Benstratford at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> Bala, >> >> Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on >> them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which >> introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the >> larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality >> of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's >> size and presence. I am now hooked on it. >> The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality >> between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her >> inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the >> troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a >> deck sat there. >> I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and >> really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the >> potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll >> just have to wait for those caps to arrive! >> Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them >> all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares >> unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may >> actually come off worse! >> Best Regards, Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 16:21:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:21:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fun with Ram's ZXL In-Reply-To: <496814.89856.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <93495.20256.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070417092137.00885870@earthlink.net> 1000ZXL Measured response with Maxell MX tape, -20Vu no dolby : 13.5 Hz- 27.6 kHz +0.5 -3dB. 16.6 Hz - 26.2 kHz +- 1dB peak of +1dB at 23kHz, otherwise flat with rolloff at extremes. tom brucker At 11:47 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom: I would like to clarify that the 18Hz to 25kHz +/-3db frequency response is obtained from offical Nakamichi published data ( owner manual/brochures), not from individual deck measurement outside Nakamichi. You can claims that you measure it down to 5Hz and I have no problem with that at all and I can accept that number based on your measurement methodology. What I am trying to point out to RAM is that I have not seen any OFFICAL nakamichi figure saying that it go down to 10Hz from nakamichi owner/service/brochure. So does another gentleman who has responded here earlier ( I forgot his name, it could be Kimo, sorry ). With all respect, I just want to have this clear here. Thanks. Best Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I had Mike(or Marc)) yesterday requesting a frequency response of this deck as specified by Nakamichi. I mentioned it says 10Hz-25000Hz +-3db atr -20 rec level I want to see if you could substantiate that for the gentleman please? Regards, Ram tom brucker wrote: Well I'm having fun now. What would you guess the -3dB point is for EX type 1 tape recorded at 0 Vu in a ZXL is? wrong! A hair above 12kHz. S/N with Dolby on ref 3% THD (+9Vu by the way) -66dB. -64dB ref 1% THD !!!!! THD at 0Vu is 0.6%. I put in the worst tapes I have for record calibration ; all flat 20-20kHz, @ less than 1/2 dB !!!! This is a marvelous deck. I suppose this deck is typical of an eBay machine. The play azimuth was a tweak off. The supply side reel was missing an inner bushing so the tape rattled in rewind. The mode cam squeals just a bit. Prior repairs were not well done. All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? When Ram slid the battery holder out, an aluminum lip touched a transistor, opening the -12volt supply by burnining circuit foil traces. Also damaged were 2 parts in the meter power supply. The power supply now has full insulation to prevent future shorting. I know many of you have been waiting for your decks, and I apologize in advance for grabbing this repair ahead of yours. I didn't want Ram to suffer more remorse. I'll tell you what gang, I am really glad I was invited to join NakTalk. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 17 16:26:07 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:26:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? References: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c780fc$56ddd140$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Samuel Your problem sounds like the one that I have with my CR-3E, now partly fixed When U say all new rubber does this include the pinchwheels & idler. If not then they would both benefit from a good application(s) of rubber reconditioner [US or UK brands] to restore grip PLUS use of a strong cleaner [Kontak or ?] on the capstans to remove material & restore the grip . See help article on 'vintage-electronics.net' US website. Regardless of other issues this will ensure that the takeup is there. Back to ur issue. On my CR-3 this stopped frequently usually leaving a small loop of tape. Apparently with these 'nylon geared' idlers this is a common problem & is due to a faulty reel motor getting a badspot [due to low infrequent use]. Remedy to try first was the application of Deoxit spray through the small 'slots' to the rear opf the motor with intermittent use & reapplication after drying. This has certainly worked for me [thanks to Jeff. Bala, Kannan etc at Naktalk] to a large degree. If your BX300 has been upgraded to the nylon gearing then this could also be [part of] the issue but I would go for the rubber reconditioner on idler/pinchwheels method first as this seems more likely to be the problem. I believe that one of the Naktalk subscribers can do new pinchwheels for the older Naks so this would be another option if they look worn. Hope this helps & pls mail me if U need more Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: sam's mail To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut down, leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. Adjustment of VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My first thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee drawing to much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and shutting down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to the fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is something simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and reseating the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and hope to keep it running for the rest of my days. Thanks, Samuel Crider ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 16:22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 17:19:20 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <182099.95648.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well for one thing, the meters are pretty much going to hover around the same point because the digital music is so squashed of dynamics. But it shows that magic eye tubes and moving coil meters are so close to nature and never cease to amaze us. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:26:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Funniest idea I've ever heard. You are a genius. One of the tube Ipod docks had a magic eye tube with a green lense that would bounce with the music. tom At 10:56 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well Tom I love meters. And thats another reason why I am using McIntosh amps. I also love the meters of the Nak 600, and Teac X1000R reel to reel... Should we petition to have a version of the ipod with VU meters? That would give me just one...just one reason to buy one of those things.. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Wouter, You missed the 60s and 70s. We began our meter lust with the blue McIntosh 5" meters, dancing to the music like nothing else. I have the Yamaha B1+UC1 amplifier with the best needle meters known to the free world. Find an old 1000-II. The meter ballistics are true Vu, as found in recording desks (consoles to the Americans). Have spent years recording, there is nothing better than the slow/ fast combination displayed by true Vu needles. While the 660 has tiny meters, there are some who find needles ...real. tom brucker At 12:59 PM 4/14/07 +0200, Wouter Heijke wrote: >That is the better ZXL talk! >You guys have the same emotional feelings I had. >First time I saw a 680ZX was with a friend of my parents in the 80's.. >didn't have any money then being a teenager.... BUT I did remember it >when I found one badly beat up in a second hand Audio store years later >here in Amsterdam... After spending a lot it was (and is) fully >functional! Tom van der Hoff found me rack handles, the tiny knobs, >fixed the auto azimuth and .. it's meters! >Afther that bought 2 more from a friend and also his 700ZXE, and also >found a 682ZX which was a disapointment meter-looks-wise. >Then the next step was the bigger brother, the 1000ZXL! In a way it >gives the same thrill as the 680ZX only more intense, the meters, twice >as nice, the size, twice as big, it's performance twice as good! >Found mine in San Francisco (pre-ebay times) and had it delivered with a >friend there and picked it up and took it home myself... TvdH took it >for an overhaul and now it's still the best thing I ever had and will have! > >Keep in mind this is just my impression! > >Wouter > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Yes, and they are a sure beauty. Especially the 680 and the bigger >> 1000ZXL meters. The later decks had smaller segments..not too nice. >> Yes we seem to enjoy how the deck seem to take on a character itself. >> But when you have the deck fully covered, in terms of service, it >> performs reliably. Its with so many features, it really takes a good >> knowledge of tape recording to appreciate how thouroughly the machine >> covers the different aspect of tape recording. Your deck is >> aligned completely just like the engineer does at the studio - at the >> touch of two buttons! >> >> After changing the caps, let me know how the progress is. >> >> Hit by a truck? The built of the ZXL is so solid it make some of their >> later creations somewhat flimsy. The weakpoint is the flimsy noise >> shields on the top of the computer boards and the bottom of the deck. >> And oh! Don't forget the wood polish! >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Benstratford at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:14:48 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs >> >> Bala, >> >> Since I first saw a 680 with the blue meters I've been hooked on >> them. Then reviewing your website detailing the 1000ZXL rebuild which >> introduced me to this deck close up, I also fell in love with the >> larger better defined meters and the general layout and functionality >> of the beast. When I first saw one in the flesh, I was amazed by it's >> size and presence. I am now hooked on it. >> The fact that it teases me with brief periods of full functionality >> between niggling problems only brings our relationship closer as her >> inner workings are revealed. My enjoyment of this hobby is in the >> troubleshooting and repair of the problems rather than just having a >> deck sat there. >> I wait with anticipation the day that I can record on the ZXL and >> really understand it's capabilities and compare the results to the >> potential represented by it's specifications. In the mean time I'll >> just have to wait for those caps to arrive! >> Would I buy another one? Yes, probably several. But only to get them >> all fully functional. I could not envisage breaking one up for spares >> unless it was hit by a truck or something. Even then the truck may >> actually come off worse! >> Best Regards, Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 18:16:06 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <75911.40654.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That sounds easy.. but I think the DSPic does not have enough 'oomph' do to this fast enough. Perhaps a TI DSP would be better. My question to you now is that on any deck, either head is fixed as a reference point for the other. If we allow both heads to be adjustable, wouldn't it introduce inaccuracies on the machine? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:26:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 18:59:29 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070417082620.00888b70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <627286.4639.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know how Marantz did MAAC on the SD930? It sounds like they used a piezo to very quickly move the head azimuth, Here's the deck on Wouter's new web site.http://www.vintagecassette.com/Marantz/SD_930 I think they might have detected high frequency level very very quickly, but, am not sure. I don't think they did a split core on a single channel like Nak. All references to this deck seem to be in German. I guess it didn't come to the states. SJ Hi Tech wrote: Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out =X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Tue Apr 17 19:00:40 2007 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:00:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Parts Message-ID: Does anyone have a source for the washer retainers for the idler tire or the retainers for the reel hubs? On a side note I have been working with some Belt manufacturers but it has been very time consuming. Also I have been working on the lenses for the RX series but again its finding a solution that will be cost effective. I have been really busy in my "Real" Job so hopefully this summer I can really get some Nak stuff done. Best to All Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793-4641 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 17 19:18:23 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:18:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Heads and Hardness and Good Tapes In-Reply-To: <200704171001.l3HA0fOq015655@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704171001.l3HA0fOq015655@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C94F2B89B281AC-1D0C-5977@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ian You're Sony TC152 head is probably ferrite, glass ferrite, or Sendust - all harder than Nakamichi's heads which I think were mainly Permalloy - someone correct me if I'm wrong - they may have used Sendust in a few heads. Nakamichi used to argue that they could only get the head performance they wanted from softer head materials - so I guess that the probabability of having to have heads replaced at some point is one of the prices Nakamichi owners pay for the incredible sound of a Nakamichi. I may have underestimated the mileage when I said "a hundred kilometres or so" - it turns out that if you play 417 C90s (both sides) - thats 100km. I'm sure lots of Nak owners have played a lot more than 417 C90s before their heads were badly worn. I have always sworn by the better Maxell and TDK tapes to give not only very good specs and sound, but also good head wear characteristics. With these tapes (eg TDK SAX, Maxell UD), I rarely find that my tape path needs cleaning - so the tapes are not dropping much tape emulsion. I'd love to hear what others think of different tape brands and types. It must be lonely being Scotlands only Nak geek Ian - but I look forward to your voice of reason whenever a new Naktalk arrives. Regards John Gipps SNIP Have a look at the head surface under a strong light - a new head is smoothly convex, a worn head shows what you'd expect after a hundred kilometres or so of tape have run across it - no longer smoothly convex. SNIP Do you know I never thought of it that way before, thank you John (as in your remark about "hundreds of K's") ..... I have only owned one tape deck for 30 years until recently .... the SONY TC152 portable ...... it never developed a worn head in all that time and non of the new to me eBay naks I now have had that symptom ....... I wonder why ...... is it normally a sign of pro use or poor tapes and maintenance? Can it strike any deck or is it always related to hard usage and abusage. Thanks for catching me out with that view John .... I really enjoy your postings as I said to you before I wish there were other Nak geeks in Scotland but as far as I know there are no active members in Southern/Central or Northern Scotland as far as I know (Cornwall is just too far even though I used to live there:-) ....... unless some post to me in the light of this email! ian r scotland ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 17 19:45:14 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:45:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <4A960815-A7A0-4491-8DFA-BDBDE6032DFD@alumni.caltech.edu> > Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6- > track head inside. No I don't want to do that. > The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That > would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. > You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. > Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise > itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat > compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it > sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the > music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 17 19:43:10 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <627286.4639.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <364372.7242.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott: Below is a poor translation of how Marantz's MAAC works from a well-known Japanese website on Japanes home-front classic audio: " The agitation mass adjustment mechanism which is loaded onto SD-930 to be called gMAACh, MRANTZ AUTO AZIMUTH@ It was the abbreviation of CONTROL. As for the PRP-93 type head which was developed in one for MAAC, recording head RH-93 and playback [he] Being something which loads [tsudo] PH-93 type as the combination head, as for reproducing head PH-93, the one channel It divided into 2 slits, they were 4 slit heads of L1 L2 and R1 R2. As for gap width 0.7ƒÊ high working accuracy Now with the function where so it actualizes, does the phase comparison of L1 and L2, R1 and R2, inspects agitation mass error accurately It did. In addition, being set by optimum gap width as the recording head, 4ƒÊ, now it does recording head RH-93, It is. As for four signals which the MAAC head plays back, in the private 1 tip/chip IC which was developed individually, critical phase ratio [pie] for the agitation mass adjustment which utilizes the character where comparison, pulse conversion and data processing are done, become deformed with voltage [zo] (the piezoelectric ceramic element) to be sent as the voltage which responds to the control signal in the actuator 3/100 seconds from here It was designed in such a way that agitation mass adjustment is done at operating time inside. In addition, as for agitation mass error quantity real tie It was designed in such a way that it is indicated in the indicator with [mu]. Being complicated it is close to NAAC of [nakamichi] the high-level mechanism [marantsu] actualizes and excessively it is not widely known that it is on-board but, by the fact that it should observe very, The deck technology where [marantsu] is superior had been shown. " "MAAC agitation mass error High accuracy 4 slit phase inspection and 3/100 seconds in answering time, Real time indicatory [hueizuinjiketa]c all worldwide beginnings Automatic agitation mass control of digital age MAAC (Marantz AUTO Azimath Control) @Solving all agitation mass errors * Agitation mass error is inspected worldwide for the first time and high accuracy @4 slit constitution MAAC heads * 1 tip/chip MAAC exclusive uses IC which acquire high reliability * You respond with worldwide highest speedh 3/100 secondsh @h Piezoh [akuchiyueitadoraibu] * The worldwide beginning and agitation mass error can be looked over @MAAC phase indicator" From an interview of a guy called Gregg Schnitzer from MFSL ( Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab ) is the following quote: " ......Years later I did tons of research with Steve Mascenik of Nakamichi and Hiro Nakamichi relented, made the changes we suggested and also did auto azimuth align for playback. Remember the Dragon? The remote ladder azimuth control for car decks was one of my bright ideas. ......." Although there is no proof on how accurate on what he claims !! If what he said is true, then the NAAC from Nakamichi might originate from this side of the continent !! Hope this help, Mike Scott Johnson wrote: Does anyone know how Marantz did MAAC on the SD930? It sounds like they used a piezo to very quickly move the head azimuth, Here's the deck on Wouter's new web site.http://www.vintagecassette.com/Marantz/SD_930 I think they might have detected high frequency level very very quickly, but, am not sure. I don't think they did a split core on a single channel like Nak. All references to this deck seem to be in German. I guess it didn't come to the states. SJ Hi Tech wrote: Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out =X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Apr 17 20:31:42 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:31:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Heads and Hardness and Good Tapes Message-ID: Sorry Ian, Devon is also too far then. (Next to Cornwall for our overseas friends) I think I read somewhere that Nak stated their heads were good for 10,000 hours of usage, with the comment that their pressure pad lifted helps to ensure longevity by reducing the friction. If I find the reference I'll let you know. A few members of our group can re-lap the heads, and this can be done twice per head I think. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Tue Apr 17 21:36:37 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:36:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <00719c1203d74aa39396da425854b8a3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Yes,that was another unnecessary toy auto-playback azimuth feature similar to infamous Dragon... ------- Original Message ------- >From : Scott Johnson[mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent : 4/17/2007 9:59:29 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Does anyone know how Marantz did MAAC on the SD930? It sounds like they used a piezo to very quickly move the head azimuth, Here's the deck on Wouter's new web site. http://www.vintagecassette.com/Marantz/SD_930 I think they might have detected high frequency level very very quickly, but, am not sure. I don't think they did a split core on a single channel like Nak. All references to this deck seem to be in German. I guess it didn't come to the states. SJ Hi Tech wrote: Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out =X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 17 23:35:22 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:35:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike, It replaces the azimuth control for recording. I think he might still have one or two fully refurbished and converted still in stock. They were selling for around $1200, I think.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 17 April 2007 02:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Gra: You mean Jeff can install a manual playback azimuth control onto a ZX-9 just like the CR-7A and CD-1? That definitely sounds interesting. Thanks. Mike Graham Nelson wrote: Jeff used to do this for ZX9's upon request. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 April 2007 19:00 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr Tue Apr 17 23:07:35 2007 From: j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr (Gaston Rieffel) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:07:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: mad BX 300 : any cure ? Message-ID: > > > Dear Doctor, > Many BX 300 manifest today some serious troubles when asked to > play. The TMP 4315 seems to be the cause of this illness. How can > I test it ? Some replacing is it necessary ? > Thanks for answers from owners of this wonderful deck, wich have > been able to cure this situation. > Regards > Guschty > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 350 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 23:11:22 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:11:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? In-Reply-To: <4624D6CB.10402@rcn.com> References: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> <4624D6CB.10402@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1cc47db60704171411w2bf32892pd6b18dccdc178c16@mail.gmail.com> Great! I'll try to get after it tonight. Anybody know about how much the motor voltage should vary with VR601? Thanks again for the help. Samuel Crider On 4/17/07, Ron wrote: > > sam's mail wrote: > > Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! > > > > Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages > > correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 > > seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut down, > > leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. Adjustment of > > VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My first > > thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee drawing to > > much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and shutting > > down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to the > > fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is something > > simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and reseating > > the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and hope to > > keep it running for the rest of my days. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Samuel Crider > > There could be several causes. Most common is a > worn/slippery idler tire, but you say that yours > is new (and, presumably, correctly installed). > > The second most common cause is a bad reel motor. > The ability to FF/REW does not guaranty that the > motor is good. > > IME, reel motors do not generally respond well to > overhauling. However, if you feel adventurous and > enjoy gambling, try to open the motor up, clean > brushes and commutator and lubricate bearings at > both ends. Even if it doesn't solve the problem, > it can't do any harm if done correctly. > > VR601 should affect the motor torque during play. > If you do not have a torque meter, see if it affects > the voltage supplied to the motor during play. If > not, you have a problem right there. > > The last cause could be a fault in the motor drive > circuit. I kinda doubt it, but a fault in the logic > is also a distant possibility. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 23:26:28 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:26:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Heads and Hardness and Good Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <056901c78137$12c6eec0$0307a8c0@DR1> For those of us with less personal familiarity with what constitutes a worn head, is their a visual or mechanical way to gauge when a Nak head needs to be either replaced or re-lapped other than the resultant sound quality? Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Heads and Hardness and Good Tapes Sorry Ian, Devon is also too far then. (Next to Cornwall for our overseas friends) I think I read somewhere that Nak stated their heads were good for 10,000 hours of usage, with the comment that their pressure pad lifted helps to ensure longevity by reducing the friction. If I find the reference I'll let you know. A few members of our group can re-lap the heads, and this can be done twice per head I think. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 18 00:30:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:30:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60704171411w2bf32892pd6b18dccdc178c16@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> <4624D6CB.10402@rcn.com> <1cc47db60704171411w2bf32892pd6b18dccdc178c16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46254A73.6030904@rcn.com> It will be in the range of 2 point something Volts to over 4V. However, the correct adjustment is for a certain torque under certain conditions. It's all spelled out in the service manual. -- Ron sam's mail wrote: > Great! > > I'll try to get after it tonight. Anybody know about how much the motor > voltage should vary with VR601? Thanks again for the help. > > Samuel Crider > > > On 4/17/07, *Ron* > wrote: > > sam's mail wrote: > > Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! > > > > Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages > > correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 > > seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut > down, > > leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. > Adjustment of > > VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My first > > thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee > drawing to > > much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and shutting > > down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to the > > fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is something > > simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and > reseating > > the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and > hope to > > keep it running for the rest of my days. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Samuel Crider > > There could be several causes. Most common is a > worn/slippery idler tire, but you say that yours > is new (and, presumably, correctly installed). > > The second most common cause is a bad reel motor. > The ability to FF/REW does not guaranty that the > motor is good. > > IME, reel motors do not generally respond well to > overhauling. However, if you feel adventurous and > enjoy gambling, try to open the motor up, clean > brushes and commutator and lubricate bearings at > both ends. Even if it doesn't solve the problem, > it can't do any harm if done correctly. > > VR601 should affect the motor torque during play. > If you do not have a torque meter, see if it affects > the voltage supplied to the motor during play. If > not, you have a problem right there. > > The last cause could be a fault in the motor drive > circuit. I kinda doubt it, but a fault in the logic > is also a distant possibility. > > -- Ron From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 01:02:03 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <364372.7242.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <101474.28975.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Years ago ran that web page through Babelfish (or some other web site translation program). I couldn't remember if Marantz did the split core or not. Now that I see the translation again, it looks like they did the split core, but, on both channels where Nak only did one channel. I was trying to create a US language version of that web page by using the translation as a base and replacing odd words with more appropriate words, but, it was too hard and I stopped. I looked for a while for one to come up on eBay, but, they seem to be as rare as hens teeth. SJ LENA WONG wrote: Scott: Below is a poor translation of how Marantz's MAAC works from a well-known Japanese website on Japanes home-front classic audio: " The agitation mass adjustment mechanism which is loaded onto SD-930 to be called gMAACh, MRANTZ AUTO AZIMUTH@ It was the abbreviation of CONTROL. As for the PRP-93 type head which was developed in one for MAAC, recording head RH-93 and playback [he] Being something which loads [tsudo] PH-93 type as the combination head, as for reproducing head PH-93, the one channel It divided into 2 slits, they were 4 slit heads of L1 L2 and R1 R2. As for gap width 0.7ƒÊ high working accuracy Now with the function where so it actualizes, does the phase comparison of L1 and L2, R1 and R2, inspects agitation mass error accurately It did. In addition, being set by optimum gap width as the recording head, 4ƒÊ, now it does recording head RH-93, It is. As for four signals which the MAAC head plays back, in the private 1 tip/chip IC which was developed individually, critical phase ratio [pie] for the agitation mass adjustment which utilizes the character where comparison, pulse conversion and data processing are done, become deformed with voltage [zo] (the piezoelectric ceramic element) to be sent as the voltage which responds to the control signal in the actuator 3/100 seconds from here It was designed in such a way that agitation mass adjustment is done at operating time inside. In addition, as for agitation mass error quantity real tie It was designed in such a way that it is indicated in the indicator with [mu]. Being complicated it is close to NAAC of [nakamichi] the high-level mechanism [marantsu] actualizes and excessively it is not widely known that it is on-board but, by the fact that it should observe very, The deck technology where [marantsu] is superior had been shown. " "MAAC agitation mass error High accuracy 4 slit phase inspection and 3/100 seconds in answering time, Real time indicatory [hueizuinjiketa]c all worldwide beginnings Automatic agitation mass control of digital age MAAC (Marantz AUTO Azimath Control) @Solving all agitation mass errors * Agitation mass error is inspected worldwide for the first time and high accuracy @4 slit constitution MAAC heads * 1 tip/chip MAAC exclusive uses IC which acquire high reliability * You respond with worldwide highest speedh 3/100 secondsh @h Piezoh [akuchiyueitadoraibu] * The worldwide beginning and agitation mass error can be looked over @MAAC phase indicator" From an interview of a guy called Gregg Schnitzer from MFSL ( Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab ) is the following quote: " ......Years later I did tons of research with Steve Mascenik of Nakamichi and Hiro Nakamichi relented, made the changes we suggested and also did auto azimuth align for playback. Remember the Dragon? The remote ladder azimuth control for car decks was one of my bright ideas. ......." Although there is no proof on how accurate on what he claims !! If what he said is true, then the NAAC from Nakamichi might originate from this side of the continent !! Hope this help, Mike Scott Johnson wrote: Does anyone know how Marantz did MAAC on the SD930? It sounds like they used a piezo to very quickly move the head azimuth, Here's the deck on Wouter's new web site.http://www.vintagecassette.com/Marantz/SD_930 I think they might have detected high frequency level very very quickly, but, am not sure. I don't think they did a split core on a single channel like Nak. All references to this deck seem to be in German. I guess it didn't come to the states. SJ Hi Tech wrote: Bala, There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would work in any 3 head deck. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level ) down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send you by email off list if thats OK. I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike. I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that was put together by Nak that is basically a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High Fidelity, I think). When they quote Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz. I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out =X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Apr 18 01:13:49 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:13:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E6A@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi all I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. But......putting all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve impulses sent directly to the brain, which then interprets the impulses as sound....be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. See here.... http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref =DN0407US I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ............. Insert your favourite audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to person. One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound pretty "sweeeet! ! Just thought I would share my thoughts... Regards David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 01:43:48 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:43:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 play engages then takeup drive drops out? In-Reply-To: <46254A73.6030904@rcn.com> References: <1cc47db60704161725h7552925en6b6eed518c5dac94@mail.gmail.com> <4624D6CB.10402@rcn.com> <1cc47db60704171411w2bf32892pd6b18dccdc178c16@mail.gmail.com> <46254A73.6030904@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1cc47db60704171643k1edb7941j8eafc117746a3ef0@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Ron, Super info. That should help to figure out if the drive circuit is the culprit or not. Samuel On 4/17/07, Ron wrote: > > > It will be in the range of 2 point something > Volts to over 4V. However, the correct adjustment > is for a certain torque under certain conditions. > It's all spelled out in the service manual. > > -- Ron > > > > sam's mail wrote: > > Great! > > > > I'll try to get after it tonight. Anybody know about how much the motor > > voltage should vary with VR601? Thanks again for the help. > > > > Samuel Crider > > > > > > On 4/17/07, *Ron* > wrote: > > > > sam's mail wrote: > > > Greeting from the Planet of New Orleans! > > > > > > Any ideas on the cause of this? All new rubber installed. Engages > > > correctly into play mode, then drops takeup reel drive in about 3 > > > seconds. Unit then senses a speed error and preforms a logic shut > > down, > > > leaving a small loop of tape hanging from the tape shell. > > Adjustment of > > > VR601(takeup reel speed) seems to have no noticeable effect. My > first > > > thoughts were... could this be caused by the reel motor mabee > > drawing to > > > much current in play/rec? Causing a overload logic gate and > shutting > > > down the drive signal. But, I"m not sure about this theory due to > the > > > fact that the motor appears ok in rr/ff. I'm hoping this is > something > > > simple, that can be cured by just breaking the motor down and > > reseating > > > the brushes along with a light lube? I really dig this deck and > > hope to > > > keep it running for the rest of my days. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Samuel Crider > > > > There could be several causes. Most common is a > > worn/slippery idler tire, but you say that yours > > is new (and, presumably, correctly installed). > > > > The second most common cause is a bad reel motor. > > The ability to FF/REW does not guaranty that the > > motor is good. > > > > IME, reel motors do not generally respond well to > > overhauling. However, if you feel adventurous and > > enjoy gambling, try to open the motor up, clean > > brushes and commutator and lubricate bearings at > > both ends. Even if it doesn't solve the problem, > > it can't do any harm if done correctly. > > > > VR601 should affect the motor torque during play. > > If you do not have a torque meter, see if it affects > > the voltage supplied to the motor during play. If > > not, you have a problem right there. > > > > The last cause could be a fault in the motor drive > > circuit. I kinda doubt it, but a fault in the logic > > is also a distant possibility. > > > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 07:24:33 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:24:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E6A@babbage.usq.edu.au> References: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E6A@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: Hi David, Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that > certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality > tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both > in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is > so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi > generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little > doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*……putting > all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not > something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and > think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the > world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input > through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world > though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our > skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced > vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three > of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing > nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses > as sound….be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > > > > I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the > best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a > look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > > > > See here…. > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > > > > I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, > and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the > complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that > which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course > not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an > exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of > electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) > better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A > it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially > an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most > are just average to terrible) CD sound a little …………. Insert your favourite > audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly > different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to > person. > > > > One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a > good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing > work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to > store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound > pretty "sweeeet! ! > > > > Just thought I would share my thoughts… > > > > Regards > > > > David King > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, > as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > > The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect > those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable > precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the > time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its > receipt. > > The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of > education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD > 00244B / NSW 02225M) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 07:47:05 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:47:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Please.....! Don't name the Dragon "Infamous"...as I own on;e this feature REALLY works!!! Peace,ALEX! > From: nakamichi at ispwest.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:36:37 -0700> > Yes,that was another unnecessary toy auto-playback azimuth feature similar to infamous Dragon...> > > > ------- Original Message -------> >From : Scott Johnson[mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com]> Sent : 4/17/2007 9:59:29 AM> To : naktalk at naks.com> Cc : > Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs> > Does anyone know how Marantz did MAAC on the SD930? It sounds like they used a piezo to very > quickly move the head azimuth, > Here's the deck on Wouter's new web site. http://www.vintagecassette.com/Marantz/SD_930 > I think they might have detected high frequency level very very quickly, but, am not sure. I > don't think they did a split core on a single channel like Nak. All references to this deck seem > to be in German. I guess it didn't come to the states.> > SJ> > Hi Tech wrote:> Bala,> There is a way to do it that doesn't require special heads. Program a DSP> ic to process several non-harmonically related frequencies in parallel> fashion and compare phase. A logical summation network varies the azimuth> and attempts to have the highest number of in-phase bands. Design it with> half the adjustment range of the Dragon, and give it time weighting so it> won' t hunt. It won't track tape skew as well as a Dragon, but it would> work in any 3 head deck.> > tom brucker> > At 10:59 AM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: > >>>>> ok..now theoretically..it is possible to modify a 1000ZXL for playback> azimuth. But this is a job I would check with ESL Labs.. Jeff? > > Bala> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: LENA WONG > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:20:46 AM> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs> > Audio Magazine's review did show the frequency response ( -20db level )> down to 13Hz +/-3db which is really amazing. Testings also show the ruler> flat frequency response using the A.B.L.E. which equals those from the TEAC> Z5000/6000/7000 series of mastering decks. The 1000ZXL will be the ultimate> machine if it also has the playback head azimuth control just like the much> later DRAGON/CR7/CD-1/DR-1. Really unbelievable.> > > Mike> > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote:> > I shall try and scan a copy of that page wqhen I find some time and send> you by email off list if thats OK.> I'd be interested as well. My (original) SM & 1000zxl LTD OM agrees with Mike.> > I don't have the actual single 1000zxl Nak flier, but I do have one that> was put together by Nak that is basically> a compilation of reviews in 3 US magazines (Stereo Review, Audio, and High> Fidelity, I think). When they quote> Nak's listing of the specs, 18Hz is the +/-3dB point, however, most> measured +/-3dB down to about 13Hz.> > I believe my point about not having to be within the +/-3dB point to cause> problems later still applies, whichever of these is correct.> -kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today!> http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here:> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today!> http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here:> http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > ----------> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out> =X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new> cars at Yahoo! Autos.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> <<<<> > > Tom Brucker CSM> Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd.> Nashville, TN 37211> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > ---------------------------------> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Apr 18 11:20:44 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:20:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Quite, you make your point!! I don't think that David would disagree that the original sound (which is neither analogue ("an analogue") nor digital) is purity per se. After all, the word analogue simply means an analogy of something else, the closest copy of, a resemblance; etc. all that stuff, without wanting to be pedantic!! It's down to the way that such "purity" is stored really. I must say, I would agree that the majority of those I have known in the sound engineering scene certainly have a respect and use for both. So, in that sense, both our hi-fi understanding of the terms "analogue" and "digital' are about the storage medium - both are "analogues". David's right, "digital formats" are a doddle to edit. And the human ear is like a speaker in reverse - hardwired to the sensory centres of the brain. But I liked you analogy of your wife playing the violin 'live' - using the terms "pure and perfect" are apt because that is indeed "purity" of sound (even if a 747 is concurrently doing a start-up behind her) because that would be, annoyingly enough, "purity" too. Not to mentioning deafening. LOLs!! The minute we transform that reality into an entity to be stored, it is merely a fascimile of the reality that was. Best wishes to you all - Marc >>> jerry.mcphail at gmail.com 4/18/2007 7:24:33 AM >>> Hi David, Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that > certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality > tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both > in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is > so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi > generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little > doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But***putting > all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not > something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and > think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the > world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input > through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world > though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our > skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced > vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three > of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing > nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses > as sound*.be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > > > > I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the > best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a > look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > > > > See here*. > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > > > > I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, > and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the > complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that > which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course > not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an > exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of > electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) > better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A > it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially > an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most > are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ****. Insert your favourite > audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly > different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to > person. > > > > One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a > good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing > work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to > store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound > pretty "sweeeet! ! > > > > Just thought I would share my thoughts* > > > > Regards > > > > David King > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. 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QLD > 00244B / NSW 02225M) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Apr 18 12:05:02 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:05:02 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog References: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E6A@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E38@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi Jerry The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either, especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog Hi David, Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that > certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality > tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both > in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is > so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi > generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little > doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting > all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not > something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and > think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the > world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input > through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world > though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our > skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced > vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three > of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing > nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses > as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > > > > I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the > best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a > look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > > > > See here.. > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > > > > I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, > and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the > complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that > which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course > not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an > exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of > electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) > better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A > it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially > an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most > are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite > audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly > different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to > person. > > > > One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a > good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing > work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to > store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound > pretty "sweeeet! ! > > > > Just thought I would share my thoughts. > > > > Regards > > > > David King > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. 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QLD > 00244B / NSW 02225M) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. 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You would want to keep on listening without getting tired...Theres this smoothness you will be amazed by.....its like the tube amps and preamps...tubelike smoothness,,,analogue like smoothness! Its just my perception, pure or not! Ram David King wrote: Hi Jerry The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either, especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog Hi David, Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that > certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality > tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both > in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is > so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi > generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little > doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting > all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not > something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and > think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the > world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input > through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world > though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our > skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced > vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three > of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing > nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses > as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > > > > I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the > best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a > look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > > > > See here.. > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > > > > I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, > and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the > complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that > which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course > not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an > exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of > electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) > better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A > it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially > an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most > are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite > audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly > different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to > person. > > > > One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a > good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing > work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to > store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound > pretty "sweeeet! ! > > > > Just thought I would share my thoughts. > > > > Regards > > > > David King > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 18 15:40:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:40:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E38@babbage.usq.edu.au> References: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E6A@babbage.usq.edu.au> <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E38@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <46261FDB.2010300@rcn.com> David, I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but usually many more) sine waves. So, what you are saying is that a single sine wave is 'pure' while the sum of sine waves (each of which is separately pure) is not pure???? The controversy of analog vs. digital is puzzling to me, carried as it often is, by people that do not fully understand the issue and discuss in emotional, human-sensory/psychological terms a subject that is purely technical. BTW, The human hearing mechanism is not purely analog, but contains a binary portion. Digital reproduction is to analog reproduction what SS device are to tubes, what CDs are to LPs, etc., etc.. It's a newer technology for achieving the same result. It is possible to design a digital system that will sound like an analog one (and even the reverse, though it's not as easy), if that's what one wants to do. IOW, the whole con and pro discussion is moot. -- Ron David King wrote: > Hi Jerry > > The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either , especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. > > Regards > > David > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail > Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer > but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the > better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and > disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in > the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. > > But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not > pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself > IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless > something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I > think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's > better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" > really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the > sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking > isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the > Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if > this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound > like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play > her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record > it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. > > On 4/17/07, David King wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that >> certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality >> tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both >> in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is >> so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi >> generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little >> doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting >> all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not >> something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and >> think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the >> world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input >> through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world >> though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our >> skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced >> vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three >> of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing >> nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve >> impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses >> as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? >> >> >> >> I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the >> best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a >> look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. >> >> >> >> See here.. >> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US >> >> >> >> I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, >> and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the >> complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that >> which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course >> not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an >> exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of >> electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) >> better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A >> it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially >> an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most >> are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite >> audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly >> different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to >> person. >> >> >> >> One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a >> good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing >> work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to >> store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound >> pretty "sweeeet! ! >> >> >> >> Just thought I would share my thoughts. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> David King From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Apr 18 15:17:54 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:17:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog Message-ID: Howdy Ram, Couldn't agree more!! I do it all the time - I wouldn't even go as far as stipulating those sorts of machines and tapes always. Colouration, maybe - but hardly more tweaked than it would already have been tweaked by the greasy-haired chap in the black tee-shirt, complete with pebble glasses and Westlake speakers placed on their sides (let me assure you, this is their worldwide dress code) at the mastering desk in the first place. I have no illusions about the "sonic opinions" imposed by studios on the final mix. I've seen it first hand. One thing I like about transferring to the analogue cassette format is the moving from +-100dB (absurd) dynamic range to the +-60ish (much more realistic) of tape. My experience of real live classic concerts is very far from "head plugged into the soundboard" supposed realism of digital retrieval. No audience member sits in the orchestra pit. At live rock concerts, everything is loud and noise floors are also high. DR (a repeatedly trumpeted hallmark of digital sound) is never as high in the audience as 100dB because just as at the piano recital or live jazz quartet performance, your ears constantly adjust to hear faint sounds and attenuate sensitivity to protect themselves from loud sounds. The dynamic range is consequently far more akin to that experienced on tape and vinyl. CD's (DDD) wild swings in dynamic range are at odds with a live listening experience which at least partly explains listener fatigue. The other probable cause as proposed by Dave Berriman is the odd-order (non-harmonic) distortion prevalent in DAC outputs, artifacts that apparently cannot be removed by digital filtering. Cheers - Marc >>> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com 4/18/2007 1:48:08 PM >>> David, Yes I had said that about recording cd to a Nak. I have tried other machines but nothing does it like a Nak. Try recording an SACD or a DVD audio to a perfectly calibrated 1000 zxl or a zx 9 on a Type IV cassette(tdk/maxell) and you will see a revelation..... The sound will be colored, no doubt, but you will like these colors. You would want to keep on listening without getting tired...Theres this smoothness you will be amazed by.....its like the tube amps and preamps...tubelike smoothness,,,analogue like smoothness! Its just my perception, pure or not! Ram David King wrote: Hi Jerry The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either, especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog Hi David, Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that > certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality > tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both > in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is > so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi > generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little > doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting > all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not > something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and > think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the > world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input > through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world > though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our > skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced > vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three > of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing > nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses > as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > > > > I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the > best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a > look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > > > > See here.. > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > > > > I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, > and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the > complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that > which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course > not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an > exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of > electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) > better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A > it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially > an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most > are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite > audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly > different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to > person. > > > > One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a > good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing > work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to > store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound > pretty "sweeeet! ! > > > > Just thought I would share my thoughts. > > > > Regards > > > > David King > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. 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The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 16:50:57 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:50:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <4A960815-A7A0-4491-8DFA-BDBDE6032DFD@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070418095057.00885680@earthlink.net> Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file.  You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of  the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 16:50:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:50:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: mad BX 300 : any cure ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070418095056.00886d20@earthlink.net> Guschty, Would you share with us the symptoms when you press play? The TMP4315 you reference is an IC, and causes no problems in my experience. nakdoc At 11:07 PM 4/17/07 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Dear Doctor, Many BX 300 manifest today some serious troubles when asked to play. The TMP 4315 seems to be the cause of this illness. How can I test it ? Some replacing is it necessary ? Thanks for answers from owners of this wonderful deck, wich have been able to cure this situation. Regards Guschty ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 17:50:20 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <528396.70875.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the 670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows down. But why compand 3:1 ? And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into the ext loop on the ZXL. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 17:36:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <46261FDB.2010300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <457862.78163.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, The CR7 is a classic example of analogue sounding digital! And Ron, the human mechanism, listening included, is a 100% Analogue apparatus. I know because I am a doctor! There are absolutely no zeros and ones in biological entities and we can not even decipher the binaries unless we use imagination and thats what helps us calculate. Like someone posted yesterday, Analogue is a word to depict analogous or similar! Therefore, digital is also in a way simulating the original! Therefore, digital is an Analogue medium too, just compressed and controlled, not like pure Analogue, which has no limits ! Digital I believe has limitations imposed by that human imagination. Thanks Ram Ron wrote: David, I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but usually many more) sine waves. So, what you are saying is that a single sine wave is 'pure' while the sum of sine waves (each of which is separately pure) is not pure???? The controversy of analog vs. digital is puzzling to me, carried as it often is, by people that do not fully understand the issue and discuss in emotional, human-sensory/psychological terms a subject that is purely technical. BTW, The human hearing mechanism is not purely analog, but contains a binary portion. Digital reproduction is to analog reproduction what SS device are to tubes, what CDs are to LPs, etc., etc.. It's a newer technology for achieving the same result. It is possible to design a digital system that will sound like an analog one (and even the reverse, though it's not as easy), if that's what one wants to do. IOW, the whole con and pro discussion is moot. -- Ron David King wrote: > Hi Jerry > > The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either , especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. > > Regards > > David > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail > Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer > but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the > better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and > disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in > the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. > > But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not > pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself > IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless > something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I > think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's > better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" > really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the > sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking > isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the > Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if > this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound > like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play > her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record > it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. > > On 4/17/07, David King wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that >> certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality >> tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both >> in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is >> so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi >> generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little >> doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting >> all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not >> something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and >> think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the >> world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input >> through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world >> though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our >> skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced >> vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three >> of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing >> nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve >> impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses >> as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? >> >> >> >> I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the >> best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a >> look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. >> >> >> >> See here.. >> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US >> >> >> >> I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, >> and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the >> complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that >> which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course >> not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an >> exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of >> electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) >> better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A >> it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially >> an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most >> are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite >> audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly >> different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to >> person. >> >> >> >> One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a >> good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing >> work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to >> store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound >> pretty "sweeeet! ! >> >> >> >> Just thought I would share my thoughts. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> David King ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Apr 18 22:10:15 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:10:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <457862.78163.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <457862.78163.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46267B27.5040609@whiteapple.u-net.com> Ram isn't it true that nerves do not transmit their impulses in a completely analogue fashion, trying to dig out the memories from the lectures but I seem to remember that an action potential is constant once the threshold has been reached and the impulse triggered and the pattern of firing conveys the information. I will will check back in the notes when I get a chance. Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ron, > > The CR7 is a classic example of analogue sounding digital! > > And Ron, the human mechanism, listening included, is a 100% > Analogue apparatus. I know because I am a doctor! There are absolutely > no zeros and ones in biological entities and we can not even decipher > the binaries unless we use imagination and thats what helps us calculate. > > Like someone posted yesterday, Analogue is a word to depict analogous > or similar! > > Therefore, digital is also in a way simulating the original! > Therefore, digital is an Analogue medium too, just compressed and > controlled, not like pure Analogue, which has no limits ! > Digital I believe has limitations imposed by that human imagination. > > Thanks > Ram > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 18 23:22:49 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:22:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <457862.78163.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <457862.78163.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46268C29.9020903@rcn.com> shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ron, > > The CR7 is a classic example of analogue sounding digital! I am not sure I agree. I think this is a very subjective conclusion. The CR-7 sounds more analytical than many other decks (Naks included). This is because it has a very low level of nonlinear distortion. What one person will call 'digital sounding', someone else may call 'accurate'. > And Ron, the human mechanism, listening included, is a 100% > Analogue apparatus. I know because I am a doctor! There are absolutely > no zeros and ones in biological entities and we can not even decipher > the binaries unless we use imagination and thats what helps us calculate. To be sure. I didn't say 'digital', I said 'binary'. What I meant was that pitch is sensed though hairs in the cochlea, each tuned to a different frequency. This means that the frequency range to which we respond is *discrete* in nature -- each hair either vibrates or it doesn't (though the amplitude of response is continuous and thus, analog in nature). > Like someone posted yesterday, Analogue is a word to depict analogous or > similar! Semantically, yes. But in engineering, 'analog' refers to quantities that can attain any continuously variable value within a range. 'Digital', OTOH, refers to quantities that can attains only discrete values within the range. IOW (and again, in engineering speak) digital has some finite resolution while analog has infinite resolution. That's *all* there is to it. > Therefore, digital is also in a way simulating the original! Therefore, > digital is an Analogue medium too, just compressed and controlled, not > like pure Analogue, which has no limits! In light of the definitions I offered above, your response quoted above is incomprehensible to me. Digital does not simulate (the original or anything else); it's as much a method of reproduction as analog is. In addition, digital is not an 'analog medium' (or any medium, for that matter). It's simply a scheme for representing signals. In addition, digital, by itself, is not compressed (of course, if one wishes to compress, one may; both in the analog and digital domains). You say it's 'controlled'? I have no idea what this means. Finally, you say analog 'has no limits'... I have news for you, it certainly does. > Digital I believe has limitations imposed by that human imagination. Again, I do not follow. Care to elaborate? Regards, -- Ron > > Thanks > Ram > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > David, > > I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound > (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but > usually many more) sine waves. So, what you are > saying is that a single sine wave is 'pure' while > the sum of sine waves (each of which is separately > pure) is not pure???? > > The controversy of analog vs. digital is puzzling to > me, carried as it often is, by people that do not > fully understand the issue and discuss in emotional, > human-sensory/psychological terms a subject that is > purely technical. > > BTW, The human hearing mechanism is not purely analog, > but contains a binary portion. > > Digital reproduction is to analog reproduction what SS > device are to tubes, what CDs are to LPs, etc., etc.. > It's a newer technology for achieving the same result. > It is possible to design a digital system that will > sound like an analog one (and even the reverse, though > it's not as easy), if that's what one wants to do. IOW, > the whole con and pro discussion is moot. > > -- Ron > > > > David King wrote: > > Hi Jerry > > > > The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a > pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. > That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and > playback techniques could sound better than all but the most > advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording > engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like > good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 > would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close > to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, > quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there > being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good > for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation > work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and > presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor > digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either > , especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, > distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording > techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to > the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a > plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to > replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people > would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of > course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously > not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some > more pleasing to the ear for it. > > > > Regards > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail > > Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog > > > > Hi David, > > > > Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an > audio engineer > > but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten > from the > > better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and > > disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of > the two in > > the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. > > > > But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular > is not > > pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound > in itself > > IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and > unless > > something. So unless something changes the sound from its > original state, I > > think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, > maybe it's > > better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like > "perfect" > > really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is > hysterical, the > > sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone > talking > > isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius > in the > > Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? > H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if > > this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many > records sound > > like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to > my wife play > > her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" > and record > > it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and > perfect either. > > > > On 4/17/07, David King wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> > >> > >> I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently > about that > >> certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any > high quality > >> tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital > domain now both > >> in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. > Digital is > >> so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, > storage, multi > >> generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there > is little > >> doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. > *But*..putting > >> all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a > minute (not > >> something you would normally do in an economy minded business > world) and > >> think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not > perceive the > >> world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather > input > >> through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive > the world > >> though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the > back of our > >> skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave > induced > >> vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends > vibrations to three > >> of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to > the hearing > >> nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve > >> impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the > impulses > >> as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? > >> > >> > >> > >> I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, > one of the > >> best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. > Have a > >> look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. > >> > >> > >> > >> See here.. > >> > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US > >> > >> > >> > >> I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure > and perfect, > >> and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete > with all the > >> complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, > even that > >> which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, > of course > >> not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital > can make an > >> exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the > capture of > >> electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound > (perceived) > >> better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and > than D to A > >> it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are > essentially > >> an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average > (and most > >> are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert > your favourite > >> audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is > slightly > >> different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from > person to > >> person. > >> > >> > >> > >> One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer > played a > >> good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was > in doing > >> work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just > one way to > >> store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can > sound > >> pretty "sweeeet! ! > >> > >> > >> > >> Just thought I would share my thoughts. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> David King From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 23:23:29 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <46267B27.5040609@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <889874.49285.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doug, Right you are about action potential generations. Conduction, however is a complex neurochemical phenomenon and I can not explain it any way but in analogue terms. I fail to recollect the exact mechanisms, but can look up some physiology books when i find time. Its been over 25 years since school Doug, and I ve been in clinical practice since! So sorry for my non explanation.\ Thanks. Ram Doug Locke wrote: Ram isn't it true that nerves do not transmit their impulses in a completely analogue fashion, trying to dig out the memories from the lectures but I seem to remember that an action potential is constant once the threshold has been reached and the impulse triggered and the pattern of firing conveys the information. I will will check back in the notes when I get a chance. Doug. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ron, > > The CR7 is a classic example of analogue sounding digital! > > And Ron, the human mechanism, listening included, is a 100% > Analogue apparatus. I know because I am a doctor! There are absolutely > no zeros and ones in biological entities and we can not even decipher > the binaries unless we use imagination and thats what helps us calculate. > > Like someone posted yesterday, Analogue is a word to depict analogous > or similar! > > Therefore, digital is also in a way simulating the original! > Therefore, digital is an Analogue medium too, just compressed and > controlled, not like pure Analogue, which has no limits ! > Digital I believe has limitations imposed by that human imagination. > > Thanks > Ram > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:35:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:35:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <528396.70875.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070418163539.00888a40@earthlink.net> DBX is a linear compressor. In record the signal is compressed 3 to 1, so soft sounds are made louder. The problem is that loud high frequency sounds can be compressed to the point where the tape becomes non linear, introducing distortion and level errors. In playback, the signal is expanded 1 to 3. Worst case might be a sound at saturation that is compressed, recorded in an attenuated form, and then expanded, resulting in a much lower level . DBX is spectacular when there are no saturation problems and perfect alignment. Obviously it is found in only the better cassettes. tom brucker . At 08:50 AM 4/18/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the 670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows down. But why compand 3:1 ? And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into the ext loop on the ZXL. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 23:40:09 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:40:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <012001c78053$a87d66e0$f97834a0$@net> References: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> Paul, I am a big fan of the 582 over the MR1. The transport is better. That being said, the MR1 looks much better and is easier to repair. I know you could sell the MR1 for more than the 582. tom brucker At 02:18 PM 4/16/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C78032.216BC6E0" Content-Language: en-us Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good condition. Im the proud owner of 3 Naks& 582, MR-1 and CR7& however Im thinking I dont need 3 decks. And Im using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need right now. Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my old favorite deck. Paul Tombleson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 00:25:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:25:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070418172530.00891100@earthlink.net> Ben, The 1000ZXL has 3 small relays in the audio path. These were notorious for intermittent channels and noise in the Nakamichi 730 receiver and might be the source of your channel problems. If you look at the 3 vertical boards, one relay (subsonic filter) is on the 3rd board, and two are on the mother board between the first and second plug-ins. These 2 switch the external processor loop. Install a jumper across the external processor in/out, and engage the front panel switch in external position. If the intermittent channel is cured, then cleaning these relays will do the trick. I use a sharp dental pick to open the clear cover on the side tab, and clean with 100% deoxit. HTH tom brucker At 01:12 PM 4/16/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Would you believe it my CD player has just stopped working! It keeps spitting the disc's back out. It's a Nak OMS-5EII. Lets try to clean the lense and see if this helps. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 00:46:46 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <644902.50871.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am also a big fan of 582 as it is still a spectacular machine with individual channel level/ bias calibration facility unlike MR1. Secondly it can be tweaked because of its single board with easy access to parts. infact it is a perfect machine to implement 1000 ZXL play back circuit to experiment - provided one could get time to do it? Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Paul, I am a big fan of the 582 over the MR1. The transport is better. That being said, the MR1 looks much better and is easier to repair. I know you could sell the MR1 for more than the 582. tom brucker At 02:18 PM 4/16/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C78032.216BC6E0" Content-Language: en-us Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good condition. Im the proud owner of 3 Naks& 582, MR-1 and CR7& however Im thinking I dont need 3 decks. And Im using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need right now. Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my old favorite deck. Paul Tombleson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 00:52:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <862510.61745.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, my outboard DBX processor allows me to control the ratio up to 2. In talking to Kermit before, we also discussed compandor/expandor ratio and the ideal was about 1.2 . In decks, where the ratio was fixed, I believe it was about this number also. 3 seems a little too high to me. Of course one has to be very careful in setting the recording volume when using NR - for Dolby its marked on the VU meters. Again I think there was a discussion about this somewhere in late 2005. Where to manufacturer pegged the dolby reference also mattered as it spoke about the quality of the deck - Nak has always been 0dB. For dbx, I do not see such an indication, but I usually never stray above 0dB. I use an Aiwa XK009 and I do hear non-linearity above 8dB peaks. So I give as much headroom and never go till that high. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:35:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs DBX is a linear compressor. In record the signal is compressed 3 to 1, so soft sounds are made louder. The problem is that loud high frequency sounds can be compressed to the point where the tape becomes non linear, introducing distortion and level errors. In playback, the signal is expanded 1 to 3. Worst case might be a sound at saturation that is compressed, recorded in an attenuated form, and then expanded, resulting in a much lower level . DBX is spectacular when there are no saturation problems and perfect alignment. Obviously it is found in only the better cassettes. tom brucker . At 08:50 AM 4/18/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the 670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows down. But why compand 3:1 ? And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into the ext loop on the ZXL. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 00:33:33 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:33:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> References: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <012001c78053$a87d66e0$f97834a0$@net> <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110704181533j213492edobf2e809b89ce550a@mail.gmail.com> MR1 looks BETTER than a 582??? BLASPHEMY!!!! GET A ROPE! Okay I love those analog vu meters and the whole beautiful front face of the 582, I'm biased. -Tim On 4/18/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > Paul, > I am a big fan of the 582 over the MR1. The transport is better. That > being said, the MR1 looks much better and is easier to repair. I know > you > could sell the MR1 for more than the 582. > > tom brucker > > At 02:18 PM 4/16/07 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C78032.216BC6E0" > Content-Language: en-us > > > Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good > condition. > > Im the proud owner of 3 Naks& 582, MR-1 and CR7& however Im thinking I > dont need 3 decks. And Im using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer > need right now. > > Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my > old favorite deck. > > > > Paul Tombleson > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at xenacom.net Thu Apr 19 00:37:38 2007 From: paul at xenacom.net (Paul Tombleson) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:37:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> References: <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <487471.46807.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c7820a$2cee0a30$86ca1e90$@net> Yes you are right Tom about the transport of the 582, The MR1 is rack mount so I use it for conveyance in me setup... But I love the (monster size) 582 and I know I will get flack for this but some days I just love the sound of the 582 over the CR-7 (I'm putting my flame retarded suite on now!!)... remember, I said some days not all days...LOL Thanks for the input Tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 Paul, I am a big fan of the 582 over the MR1. The transport is better. That being said, the MR1 looks much better and is easier to repair. I know you could sell the MR1 for more than the 582. tom brucker At 02:18 PM 4/16/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C78032.216BC6E0" Content-Language: en-us Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good condition. Im the proud owner of 3 Naks& 582, MR-1 and CR7& however Im thinking I dont need 3 decks. And Im using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer need right now. Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my old favorite deck. Paul Tombleson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 00:53:11 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:53:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 In-Reply-To: <644902.50871.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070418164009.008895a0@earthlink.net> <644902.50871.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110704181553t6cf61047qef14c24d97a9a3dc@mail.gmail.com> Adjusting the 582 is a dream come true - just hit the (easily accessed) test posts with your VTVM leads, adjust the vrs until you get a perfect level, move on to the next one. I love that deck. -Tim On 4/18/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > I am also a big fan of 582 as it is still a spectacular machine with > individual channel level/ bias calibration facility unlike MR1. Secondly it > can be tweaked because of its single board with easy access to parts. infact > it is a perfect machine to implement 1000 ZXL play back circuit to > experiment - provided one could get time to do it? > Kannan > > *Hi Tech * wrote: > > Paul, > I am a big fan of the 582 over the MR1. The transport is better. That > being said, the MR1 looks much better and is easier to repair. I know you > could sell the MR1 for more than the 582. > > tom brucker > > At 02:18 PM 4/16/07 -0400, you wrote: > >>>> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C78032.216BC6E0" > Content-Language: en-us > > > Just an enquiry as to the worth of a 582 in good condition to very good > condition. > > Im the proud owner of 3 Naks& 582, MR-1 and CR7& however Im thinking I > dont need 3 decks. And Im using the MR-1 and CR-7 for all my transfer > need right now. > > Anyhow, just looking to see what the list has to say about the worth of my > old favorite deck. > > > > Paul Tombleson > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Thu Apr 19 01:14:19 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:14:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Something about Analog Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199E73@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi Ron In response.... "I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but usually many more) sine waves. So, what you are saying is that a single sine wave is 'pure' while the sum of sine waves (each of which is separately pure) is not pure????" Yes I regret the use of the word pure. I was meaning complex as opposed to simple. "The controversy of analog vs. digital is puzzling to me, carried as it often is, by people that do not fully understand the issue and discuss in emotional, human-sensory/psychological terms a subject that is purely technical." Now careful there Ron. Technical yes, but at the end of the day the technology at least in a high quality recording device such as a tape deck exists solely to provide the listener with an enjoyable listening experience..this is a psychological and emotional judgement, and one that I contend differs in each and every one of us to some degree. I am talking about tape decks and HI FI here, not cold theory. "It is possible to design a digital system that will sound like an analog one (and even the reverse, though it's not as easy), if that's what one wants to do. IOW, the whole con and pro discussion is moot." My point exactly. There can be a perceived difference between the two techniques. And the fact that you can add a plugin to (modify, distort, change, colour.. call it what you will) a digital recording within Pro Tools just proves that sometimes that analog something that comes from tape based recording excluding DAT of course can be desirable to some people for certain recording projects. BTW, it was never meant to be a digital versus analog debate..that's just silly. My very living depends on digital techniques and I could never go back. I used to work on AMPEX quadraplex VTRs in my television days and compared to what you can do with video servers there is no comparison. I was really only offering support to the notion that analog can offer a listening experience that a lot of poorly mastered digital material can't. Likewise, of course, a well mastered digital recording will blow a noisy hissy tape recording out of the water. There is a place for both, at least until the day comes when either ourselves or the decks we collect and refurbish are long gone. Regards David This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 08:11:08 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <224392.38963.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, You are right about those relays. However, I changed them to miniature sealed relays after I started experiencing a loud 'hic!' when turned from EXT back to normal NR. Usually the contacts are worn and DeOxit (I used Progold..but what difference...) is a temporary fix. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:25:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Ben, The 1000ZXL has 3 small relays in the audio path. These were notorious for intermittent channels and noise in the Nakamichi 730 receiver and might be the source of your channel problems. If you look at the 3 vertical boards, one relay (subsonic filter) is on the 3rd board, and two are on the mother board between the first and second plug-ins. These 2 switch the external processor loop. Install a jumper across the external processor in/out, and engage the front panel switch in external position. If the intermittent channel is cured, then cleaning these relays will do the trick. I use a sharp dental pick to open the clear cover on the side tab, and clean with 100% deoxit. HTH tom brucker At 01:12 PM 4/16/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Would you believe it my CD player has just stopped working! It keeps spitting the disc's back out. It's a Nak OMS-5EII. Lets try to clean the lense and see if this helps. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 02:45:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <862510.61745.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <222130.21095.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Are you suggesting that one should not stray above 0 db VU while using dolby? Nakamichi manuald never mention this anywhere? PLease elaborate. Thanks Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ok, my outboard DBX processor allows me to control the ratio up to 2. In talking to Kermit before, we also discussed compandor/expandor ratio and the ideal was about 1.2 . In decks, where the ratio was fixed, I believe it was about this number also. 3 seems a little too high to me. Of course one has to be very careful in setting the recording volume when using NR - for Dolby its marked on the VU meters. Again I think there was a discussion about this somewhere in late 2005. Where to manufacturer pegged the dolby reference also mattered as it spoke about the quality of the deck - Nak has always been 0dB. For dbx, I do not see such an indication, but I usually never stray above 0dB. I use an Aiwa XK009 and I do hear non-linearity above 8dB peaks. So I give as much headroom and never go till that high. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:35:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs DBX is a linear compressor. In record the signal is compressed 3 to 1, so soft sounds are made louder. The problem is that loud high frequency sounds can be compressed to the point where the tape becomes non linear, introducing distortion and level errors. In playback, the signal is expanded 1 to 3. Worst case might be a sound at saturation that is compressed, recorded in an attenuated form, and then expanded, resulting in a much lower level . DBX is spectacular when there are no saturation problems and perfect alignment. Obviously it is found in only the better cassettes. tom brucker . At 08:50 AM 4/18/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the 670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows down. But why compand 3:1 ? And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into the ext loop on the ZXL. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 12:08:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: <839059.96018.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well the manual never does. But when you look at the meter scale, you can see the reference VU setting for dolby marked by the double-d symbol. Thats what you should set for. Its usually the norm for decks, Kermit had some excellent papers on this but his revamped site took them out. I should call him and have him put it back Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:45:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Bala, Are you suggesting that one should not stray above 0 db VU while using dolby? Nakamichi manuald never mention this anywhere? PLease elaborate. Thanks Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ok, my outboard DBX processor allows me to control the ratio up to 2. In talking to Kermit before, we also discussed compandor/expandor ratio and the ideal was about 1.2 . In decks, where the ratio was fixed, I believe it was about this number also. 3 seems a little too high to me. Of course one has to be very careful in setting the recording volume when using NR - for Dolby its marked on the VU meters. Again I think there was a discussion about this somewhere in late 2005. Where to manufacturer pegged the dolby reference also mattered as it spoke about the quality of the deck - Nak has always been 0dB. For dbx, I do not see such an indication, but I usually never stray above 0dB. I use an Aiwa XK009 and I do hear non-linearity above 8dB peaks. So I give as much headroom and never go till that high. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:35:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs DBX is a linear compressor. In record the signal is compressed 3 to 1, so soft sounds are made louder. The problem is that loud high frequency sounds can be compressed to the point where the tape becomes non linear, introducing distortion and level errors. In playback, the signal is expanded 1 to 3. Worst case might be a sound at saturation that is compressed, recorded in an attenuated form, and then expanded, resulting in a much lower level . DBX is spectacular when there are no saturation problems and perfect alignment. Obviously it is found in only the better cassettes. tom brucker . At 08:50 AM 4/18/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the 670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows down. But why compand 3:1 ? And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into the ext loop on the ZXL. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Kimo, The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to work properly. tom brucker At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head inside. No I don't want to do that. The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only playback a la the Dragon. If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy way to reset exactly to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical feasibility of that is. Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for me I'm not sure more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need excessive compression, does it? DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more "standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a deck with it, so I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not actually be). BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Apr 19 13:43:21 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:43:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070418163539.00888a40@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070418163539.00888a40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <462755D9.9030507@snet.net> Tom, I think you mean 2 to 1 with DBX. Thanks, Ed Hi Tech wrote: >DBX is a linear compressor. In record the signal is compressed 3 to 1, so >soft sounds are made louder. The problem is that loud high frequency sounds >can be compressed to the point where the tape becomes non linear, >introducing distortion and level errors. In playback, the signal is >expanded 1 to 3. Worst case might be a sound at saturation that is >compressed, recorded in an attenuated form, and then expanded, resulting in >a much lower level . DBX is spectacular when there are no saturation >problems and perfect alignment. Obviously it is found in only the better >cassettes. > >tom brucker > > >. At 08:50 AM 4/18/07 -0700, you wrote: > > >Tom, > > The beauty of it was Naks used the same heads as the rest of the >670, 680 series of decks. Of course, like reel to reel when you slow down >or speed up the deck you need to built in the required eq network. But by >nature of the tape speed, dynamic and headroom suffers as the speed slows >down. But why compand 3:1 ? > >And also, when I refer to dbx, its an outboard dbxII processor wired into >the ext loop on the ZXL. > >Bala >----- Original Message ---- >From: Hi Tech >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:50:57 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs > >Kimo, > The ZXL injects RAMM onto the audio track, so the heads are simple stereo. >The 1/2 speed decks used a different EQ, on top of the standard 120/70 uS >eq. I think their headroom was significantly less as a result. DBX >compands all frequencies 3:1, so it is very sensitive to high frequency >overload in cassettes. Dolby C actually employed hi frequency high volume >level compression to optimise for cassette, which is why there was never a >Dolby C reel to reel. A DBX deck would surley have to have Dolby Hx to >work properly. > >tom brucker > >At 10:45 AM 4/17/07 -0700, you wrote: > > >Well unless you want it to do NAAC? But that means putting the 6-track head >inside. No I don't want to do that. >The best is to have a knob to do a manual azimuth adjust. That would take a >one last gripe of the 1000ZXL. > >You actually only need 3 tracks since it isn't auto-reverse--that would be >nice, too, but for me auto-reverse isn't worth a lot if if it's only >playback a la the Dragon. >If you're allowing manual, I guess what I want then (if you're going to >bother to change from the current "screwdriver access") is at least an easy >way to reset exactly >to "factory" spec for recording new stuff. That addresses your other issue >about having both adjustable. Mind you, I'm not sure what the technical >feasibility of that is. >Kimo, we could get a decent response at half speed.. but tape noise itself >would be higher and the sound would be somewhat compressed..unless you use >DBX. What do you think? Otherwise it sounds a lot less harm that quashing >all that goodness out of the music and cramming it into an mp3 file. > >You are right about getting extended headroom at double-speed and it is >something I tend to forget that the pretty specs are all at -20dB. But for >me I'm not sure >more headroom is worth 2x the tape. I wasn't actually thinking of anything >much better than 680zx performance at half-speed--that doesn't seem to need >excessive compression, does it? >DBX would be OK, although for cassettes I really prefered more >"standardized" things--some people have raved about Dolby-S,. I never had a >deck with it, so >I can't speak, but that feels more standardized (even if it may not >actually be). > >BTW all the files on my ipod (unless I couldn't get them any other way) are >ALAC (the Apple Lossless codec) which I believe is an LZW variant so >not "lossy." You only get about 2:1 compression over the raw file, but no >MP3 artifacts. NOT debating the merits or lack thereof of the CD redbook >standard, but at least it's theoretically not worse.-kby > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/li >stinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >---------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out >=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM->new >cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 16:08:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:08:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419090848.007a4470@earthlink.net> I think in the equalization applications 2% is very important. How about leaving those caps in, but changing coupling and other functional caps? The is also one cap in the dolby that sets a time constant. Those ought to be 2% as well. The panasonic ECQ-P (Z) series polypros are 2 or 1% in most values. tom At 07:12 PM 4/18/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Thanks for this suggestion, I'll let you know the results. Having difficulty finding better than 5% tolerance caps at digikey for 75% of the PP caps that may need replacing. Is 5% too high compared with 2% original tolerance in general? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Apr 19 18:21:02 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:21:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] head alignment tool Message-ID: <006901c7829e$ba91f600$2fd117c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> The item on eBay is not worth paying $70 for( or more) .It features quite often on eBay.I even got one in 2004 at $47.If I were nearer to the fundis I would send you mine for the 'manufacturing team'! walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Apr 19 22:34:26 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:34:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs Message-ID: Tom, Most of the 2 % are 50V but current ones are 100V, Would 50V be too low? They are also available at 250 & 400V which I would assume to be too high. Will keep searching, Thanks. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 19 23:57:09 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:57:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Repairs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419165709.008935f0@earthlink.net> I would use 100volt in the bias oscillators. 250v won't hurt, but will be larger. Everything else can be 50 volt. tom At 04:34 PM 4/19/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Most of the 2 % are 50V but current ones are 100V, Would 50V be too low? They are also available at 250 & 400V which I would assume to be too high. Will keep searching, Thanks. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From theshorty at bigpond.com Fri Apr 20 09:10:49 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (theshorty at bigpond.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:10:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] re: 582 Message-ID: <6058656.1177053050026.JavaMail.root@web02sl> "MR1 looks BETTER than a 582??? BLASPHEMY!!!! GET A ROPE! Okay I love those analog vu meters and the whole beautiful front face of the 582, I'm biased." Absolutely :o) Yeah, I am a big 582 series fan...so if I had to ditch one deck out of those three, then it would be the MR1, no contest, and if it is the LED metering you liked in the MR1, then upgrade to a 582Z... one thing with Classic Naks though..and 582's etc in particular... they are an absolute sod to fit into racks...shelf hogs that they are.. cheers, Martin From christopher.winter at siemens.com Fri Apr 20 11:47:24 2007 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter, Christopher) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:47:24 +0200 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Something about Analog In-Reply-To: <46261FDB.2010300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA027119A9@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hello Ron, this interesting thread about digital vs. analog triggered me to add my two cents: You state ... I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but usually many more) sine waves... Well, being an engineer, I can tell you, that this is wrong! Thinking in terms of sine waves composing any given signal is nothing more than a theoretic model called Fourier Synthesis. Although this MODEL has proven to give accurate results in signal analysis, channel design and so forth, it is STILL A MODEL and cannot claim to be NATURE's REALITY! So this is where the interpretation starts, since many people tend to think of models as reality - that's the main misunderstanding. So - in my opinion - the main difference between analog gear and digital gear is, that the analog concept tries to retain to curve envelope as close as possible and contributes as less own signal components as possible, which I would call NATURAL. I know, that the CURVE already is a model, and that acoustical perception is far more complicated than current biological models can (or can't!) explain. But if it comes to sensual perception, anyone can't ignore subjectivity! E.g. Dolby acts primarily on frequency bands and so called suppression factors in the amplitude domain, an approach which also follows psycho acoustic models, which are MODELS - so some people dislike dolby or any processing. Digital on the other hand assumes fourier synthesis being OK and accurate, assumes sampling theorem being OK and accurate, assumes filtering is allowed for suppressing "artifacts" and then totally disintegrates the signal! At this stage the SIGNAL IS GONE - it exists only on a meta-layer! Digital processing gives it a numerical representation and RECONSTRUCTS the signal form afterwards, using weird tricks as adding noise for D/A conversion, additional filtering etc. So - what we get at the end is a recontructed/regenerated signal, thought to be the perfect representation of what has been A/D converted. But this - to be honest - applies only to the signal path between A/D output (after sampling) and just before D/A conversion, and that's insufficient. So I say: you may not hear, if it's digital, but you're fooled - it's NOISE rather than MUSIC... Just my two cents... Best regards, Christopher -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. April 2007 15:41 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog David, I am sure that, as an engineer, you know that sound (any sound whatsoever) contains at least one (but usually many more) sine waves. So, what you are saying is that a single sine wave is 'pure' while the sum of sine waves (each of which is separately pure) is not pure???? The controversy of analog vs. digital is puzzling to me, carried as it often is, by people that do not fully understand the issue and discuss in emotional, human-sensory/psychological terms a subject that is purely technical. BTW, The human hearing mechanism is not purely analog, but contains a binary portion. Digital reproduction is to analog reproduction what SS device are to tubes, what CDs are to LPs, etc., etc.. It's a newer technology for achieving the same result. It is possible to design a digital system that will sound like an analog one (and even the reverse, though it's not as easy), if that's what one wants to do. IOW, the whole con and pro discussion is moot. -- Ron David King wrote: > Hi Jerry > > The point I was making, is that unless you are listening to a pure sine wave, the sound "waveforms" we hear in life are complex. That is why it is just possible that good analog recording and playback techniques could sound better than all but the most advanced and expensive digital techniques. I am not a recording engineer either but rather a technician who just happens to like good quality analog over average to good digital. I bet the 1000 would sound great recording the violin. At least you a coming close to capturing the waveforms without the limiting factors of sampling, quantizing and compression. You are perfectly correct about there being advantages in both analog and digital. Digital is very good for editing, and in video particularly good for multi generation work. It's just that I think analog is better for acquisition and presentation provided the signal hasn't been too degraded by poor digital techniques. Analog recording is obviously not perfect either , especially with signal to noise issues, phase errors, w & F, distortion etc., but on a good machine and with good recording techniques the result can be great....not perfect, but pleasing to the ear. That is why I thought it amusing that Pro Tools have a plugin to do just that....add dsp produced analog warmth to replicate the sound of analog. As Ram said I think, some people would even argue that recording a CD back to a good deck (Nak of course) can actually sound more pleasing to the listener. Obviously not a perfect copy, as it has a colour of its own now, but to some more pleasing to the ear for it. > > Regards > > David > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Jerry McPhail > Sent: Wed 4/18/2007 3:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Something about Analog > > Hi David, > > Thanks for the great belly laugh you've given me. I'm not an audio engineer > but I've worked around many ... and the consensus I've gotten from the > better engineers is that analog and digital have advantages and > disadvantages and the thing to do is use both and get the best of the two in > the record. Like, track analog, edit digital, mix down to analog. > > But the comment that got me laughing was the "sound in particular is not > pure and perfect...." Well, maybe RECORDED sound isn't but sound in itself > IS, well, sound -- at least the last time I checked it was, and unless > something. So unless something changes the sound from its original state, I > think it's pretty safe to, say that sounmd is perfect. Well, maybe it's > better to say that the concept of relative descriptions like "perfect" > really doesn't apply to an original sound. I mean this is hysterical, the > sound of the sea isn't "pure and perfect"? The sound of someone talking > isn't "pure and perfect"? A violin solo played on a Stradivarius in the > Concertgebeouw in Vienna isn't "pure and perfect"? H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s! Man if > this is how recording engineers think today no wonder so many records sound > like crap!!! Oh well, that's swell, I'll just keep listening to my wife play > her violin live even though the sound isn't "pure and perfect" and record > it onto my Nakamichi 1000....which I presume isn't pure and perfect either. > > On 4/17/07, David King wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> I thought it was most amusing reading the comments recently about that >> certain "analog sound" one gets when recording on a Nak or any high quality >> tape based recording device. I work in an entirely digital domain now both >> in non linear video and audio editing / recording environments. Digital is >> so much more versatile in terms of non linear instant access, storage, multi >> generational dubbing, lossless transfers etc etc. I think there is little >> doubt that digital is not only the future but the here and now. *But*..putting >> all the obvious logistical and storage advantages aside for a minute (not >> something you would normally do in an economy minded business world) and >> think of the human being. We are an analog being, and do not perceive the >> world around us in 1's and 0's. Electronically, we still gather input >> through analog optics and microphones. Biologically, we perceive the world >> though our eyes and ears, thankfully not yet a USB port on the back of our >> skull. Can you think of a more analog device than a sound wave induced >> vibration of a thin membrane of skin which in turn sends vibrations to three >> of the smallest bones in the body which then transmit them to the hearing >> nerve in the inner ear, translating these vibrations to become nerve >> impulses sent directly to the brain, which then *interprets* the impulses >> as sound..be it music, speech or that special Nak sound? >> >> >> >> I do a lot of work supporting audio studios running Pro Tools, one of the >> best known digital audio recording and editing solutions around. Have a >> look at one of the latest DSP plugins you can get for recording. >> >> >> >> See here.. >> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=48&langid=100&itemid=24916&ref=DN0407US >> >> >> >> I just happen to believe that sound in particular is not pure and perfect, >> and needs as high a frequency bandwidth as possible, complete with all the >> complex waveforms and distortions that are inherent in sound, even that >> which falls outside our ever diminishing hearing response. Now, of course >> not even the best Nak or any recording device analog or digital can make an >> exact copy of the original sound, but it just may be that the capture of >> electrical waveforms as they vary in real time, could sound (perceived) >> better than a system which can only sample at a fixed rate, and than D to A >> it again to be heard through a pair of speakers which again are essentially >> an analog device. It might even be possible to make an average (and most >> are just average to terrible) CD sound a little ..... Insert your favourite >> audiophile word here, to the ear, which for me by the way is slightly >> different from left to right. Imagine how it must vary from person to >> person. >> >> >> >> One amusing incident I witnessed, was when our audio engineer played a >> good quality record on a broadcast turntable for my son who was in doing >> work experience. His eyes lit up as he realised that MP3 is just one way to >> store and replay sound, and that even archaic old technology can sound >> pretty "sweeeet! ! >> >> >> >> Just thought I would share my thoughts. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> David King ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jpdarcis at cesmail.net Fri Apr 20 12:11:12 2007 From: jpdarcis at cesmail.net (Jean-Paul Darcis) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:11:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A Message-ID: <462891C0.2060104@cesmail.net> Hi, My present location is Finland. I am trying to locate a belt kit to return my CR3A to its original working condition and I am giving up on Ebay which, as I expected, proved to be unreliable. Any suggestions ? Thanks for bearing with this basic question ... -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Jean-Paul Darcis Keep your documents and emails lean and efficient! Focus on the content, not on fluff, and zip! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Apr 20 13:15:58 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:15:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a belt for my CR3A In-Reply-To: <462891C0.2060104@cesmail.net> References: <462891C0.2060104@cesmail.net> Message-ID: <4628A0EE.2050801@marrscommunications.com> Hi Jean, I am wondering if you purchased one of my kits and it was incorrect? If you did, and there is a problem please contact me directly at the address above so I can correct the problem. If you did NOT purchase one of my kits, I offer satisfaction guaranteed! The item # is: 270110330092. Many thanks! Fred Jean-Paul Darcis wrote: > Hi, > > My present location is Finland. I am trying to locate a belt kit to > return my CR3A to its original working condition and I am giving up on > Ebay which, as I expected, proved to be unreliable. Any suggestions ? > > Thanks for bearing with this basic question ... > -- > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Jean-Paul Darcis > Keep your documents and emails lean and efficient! > Focus on the content, not on fluff, and zip! > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 20 13:40:04 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:40:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A References: <462891C0.2060104@cesmail.net> Message-ID: <009e01c78340$a38a6490$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Actually jean-Paul Both Jeff Whittier & I bought kits from Ebay, reasonably priced, from an Italian source for the CR-3 deck & they were very good quality - see jeff's comments on Naktalk. The current Ebay item ref for this is 200101797485 for the capstan & tension belt set. I would recommend them to anyone dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean-Paul Darcis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A Hi, My present location is Finland. I am trying to locate a belt kit to return my CR3A to its original working condition and I am giving up on Ebay which, as I expected, proved to be unreliable. Any suggestions ? Thanks for bearing with this basic question ... -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Jean-Paul Darcis Keep your documents and emails lean and efficient! 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URL: From wenevermet at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 20:33:28 2007 From: wenevermet at yahoo.com (Alex) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning Message-ID: <591553.74082.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear all, While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" :) What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - where should I hunt for the cause? cheers, Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lenaw at flash.net Fri Apr 20 21:44:49 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Idler Tyre Message-ID: <593677.89788.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Forum Members: Just saw ESL advertised in ebay of replacement Idler Tyres for different Nakamichi Models for $5.95 each plus shipping. Eay item number is: 300103785182. Read the description inside the auction for full details. Hope this help. Regards, Mike P.S. NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ESL AND THAT EBAY SALE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Apr 20 22:11:05 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:11:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning In-Reply-To: <591553.74082.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <591553.74082.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46291E59.8060609@whiteapple.u-net.com> Can I tag on here to make this a more general enquiry. The capstans of my 680zx also spin as soon as you switch the deck on. I assume this is normal but does that mean that it is inadvisable to leave the deck switched on until you are just ready to use it and then switch off afterwards. With most hi fi gear it is often recommended to at least warm up for a while before use, how long is needed for a Nak? Is it really necessary for this, the capstans on my Aiwa XK-007 for instance only spin when needed and there does not appear to be any unwanted effects on tape speed etc. Thanks. Doug. Alex wrote: > Dear all, > > While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable > money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to > check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, > I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, > and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" > :) > > What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, > the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the > deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or > this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - > where should I hunt for the cause? > > cheers, Alex. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 20 22:12:38 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning In-Reply-To: <591553.74082.qm@web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <586986.72405.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My 2 LX5's capstans do NOT rotate when powered up. Bob Alex wrote: Dear all, While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" :) What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - where should I hunt for the cause? cheers, Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 20 22:44:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning In-Reply-To: <586986.72405.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555366.79676.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, In my experience with most naks, the capstain motor starts rotating on power up. The only exceptions have been the mid 90s decks like the Dr series( 1,2 and 3) Even the MR1 spins on power up.I gues there must be no harm done as these capstains are all self lubricating and the more they run, the better they keep performing except for the belts! then again, a deck shut off for prolonged periods becomes junk ultimately. The belts bind and harden too! Please correct me if I am wrong. Ram My 2 LX5's capstans do NOT rotate when powered up. Bob Alex wrote: Dear all, While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" :) What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - where should I hunt for the cause? cheers, Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Apr 21 07:20:57 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:50:57 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Requesting info about this statement References: <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006601c783d4$d9f58480$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi All I came across an Ebay Auction with the seller advertising this statement : ------------------------------------ Lastly, It's heads (which had virtually zero use) were polished to remove the years of oxidation that builds up over time. ***that is something to remember when buying ANY used deck, they may be advertised to have low usage but even sitting in storage or in a stereo rack, the record/playback heads will build up oxidation over the years. Plus... all plastic and rubber parts are getting brittle over time. ------------------------------------ The auction item # is : 320103820900 Any comments on this please ? Thanks and Regards Soumi From johngipps at aol.com Sat Apr 21 04:34:43 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:34:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 65 In-Reply-To: <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom As stated previously, the belt I found very successful was the 75X0.6X5 from WES - 75mm is the diameter and that translates to 236mm or 9.28" as a circumference. This belt was chosen by comparison with the last of my genuine Nak belts and I found no degradation in specs and no sonic degradation either. I'd like to make a point about measuring specs for different capstan belts as an indicator of their suitability. Obviously, the specs quoted by Nakamichi are those of a new machine - all new and in perfect service condition - properly adjusted. The Nakamichi specs do not apply to a well worn machine even if every effort has been made to service it comprehensively - they didn't even apply to a several years old machine back in the days when all genuine consumable parts were replaced at service time. So if a generic capstan belt fitted today doesn't result in a W&F figure as good as a new Nakamichi, it doesn't prove that the belt isn't as good as an original Nak belt - it may be as good - the specs measured are dependant on dozens of other factors as well. I guess my point is, that unless the tests are conducted on a near new transport in immaculate service order, that the capstan belt measurements may not mean a lot, and even drawing conclusions from the comparison of measurements may be risky. Regards John Gipps Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:13 -0500 From: tom brucker Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419165013.00890e60 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI It is great to have so many motivated Talkers working to find good belts for the classic. As requested, here are the measurements for the C8096C belt. These are not exact as my micrometer skills may be lacking. width 4.8mm 0.195" thickness 0.5mm 0.018" circumference* 231mm 9.06" *measured by flattening the belt, and doubling this length...in other words, the actual circumference is larger the circumference generally is quoted as 9.2" or 235mm Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net *************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sat Apr 21 04:37:19 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:37:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions In-Reply-To: <8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com> <8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C951D51DB4563D-7AC-137C9@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom As stated previously, the belt I found very successful was the 75X0.6X5 from WES - 75mm is the diameter and that translates to 236mm or 9.28" as a circumference. This belt was chosen by comparison with the last of my genuine Nak belts and I found no degradation in specs and no sonic degradation either. I'd like to make a point about measuring specs for different capstan belts as an indicator of their suitability. Obviously, the specs quoted by Nakamichi are those of a new machine - all new and in perfect service condition - properly adjusted. The Nakamichi specs do not apply to a well worn machine even if every effort has been made to service it comprehensively - they didn't even apply to a several years old machine back in the days when all genuine consumable parts were replaced at service time. So if a generic capstan belt fitted today doesn't result in a W&F figure as good as a new Nakamichi, it doesn't prove that the belt isn't as good as an original Nak belt - it may be as good - the specs measured are dependant on dozens of other factors as well. I guess my point is, that unless the tests are conducted on a near new transport in immaculate service order, that the capstan belt measurements may not mean a lot, and even drawing conclusions from the comparison of measurements may be risky. Regards John Gipps Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:13 -0500 From: tom brucker Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419165013.00890e60 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI It is great to have so many motivated Talkers working to find good belts for the classic. As requested, here are the measurements for the C8096C belt. These are not exact as my micrometer skills may be lacking. width 4.8mm 0.195" thickness 0.5mm 0.018" circumference* 231mm 9.06" *measured by flattening the belt, and doubling this length...in other words, the actual circumference is larger the circumference generally is quoted as 9.2" or 235mm Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net *************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Apr 21 14:18:19 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:18:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Requesting info about this statement In-Reply-To: <006601c783d4$d9f58480$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: I would guess that oxidisation on metal surfaces will depend on the conditions of storage. As for the plastics, that would depend on the plastic type and might also be subject to storage conditions. I do know, however, from personal experience that plastics can seriously deteriorate. I have (but rarely use) a Quad 44 preamp, which uses plastic dip switches. Mine became so brittle that just touching them with a pencil made them break and I had to have the unit returned to Quad for replacements. The Quad 44 was never in storage and always lived in a warm centrally heated house out of direct sunlight. But that didn't stop the plastic fatigue. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: 21 April 2007 06:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Requesting info about this statement Hi All I came across an Ebay Auction with the seller advertising this statement : ------------------------------------ Lastly, It's heads (which had virtually zero use) were polished to remove the years of oxidation that builds up over time. ***that is something to remember when buying ANY used deck, they may be advertised to have low usage but even sitting in storage or in a stereo rack, the record/playback heads will build up oxidation over the years. Plus... all plastic and rubber parts are getting brittle over time. ------------------------------------ The auction item # is : 320103820900 Any comments on this please ? Thanks and Regards Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Apr 21 03:55:11 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:55:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a belt for my CR3A In-Reply-To: <46295DA7.9080106@marrscommunications.com> References: <462891C0.2060104@cesmail.net> <4628A0EE.2050801@marrscommunications.com> <46291E56.8070209@cesmail.net> <46295DA7.9080106@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46296EFF.2080800@marrscommunications.com> Jean-Paul, > I went all the way back to July 1, 2006 and do not find a sale to you > on any item. I did not start selling the Nakamichi belts until the > end of October. Could you have purchased it under a different name? > Thanks, Fred > > Jean-Paul Darcis wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I indeed recently ordered a kit but I never received it. Please check >> your records, I bought it through ebay and I am not sure who the seller >> was. But since you seem to remember an order to Finland, which is >> probably not a very common location for your customers to be, may be ... >> >> Best regards >> -- >> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >> Jean-Paul Darcis >> Keep your documents and emails lean and efficient! >> Focus on the content, not on fluff, and zip! >> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpdarcis at cesmail.net Sat Apr 21 12:19:46 2007 From: jpdarcis at cesmail.net (Jean-Paul Darcis) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:19:46 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A Message-ID: <4629E542.2010405@cesmail.net> Thanks Dave, I placed my order with Jeff. It looks like the source you are mentionning (could it be joboz at libero.it ?) still has belts to sell but my order seems to have fallen through the cracks of the postal service somewhere between Italy and the US (at the time of placing my order, I have not realized the vendor was in Europe and I gave my US address to him...). I have been assured a replacement will be shipped again if the loss is confirmed). Thanks -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Jean-Paul Darcis Keep your documents and emails lean and efficient! Focus on the content, not on fluff, and zip! *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joenapolillo at verizon.net Sat Apr 21 12:55:34 2007 From: joenapolillo at verizon.net (joenapolillo at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:55:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding meter lamp for 582. Message-ID: <31132950.2350071177152935039.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I am working on getting my 582 back in to good shape. I will have it open to replace the idler tire and belts and would like to replace the lamp above the meters that no longer works. Does anyone know where I can get one of these lamps? Thanks. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Apr 21 13:05:23 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:05:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 tape end Message-ID: I am back to working on the 550 after a break away. The tape alarm light was showing before on play etc. I have managed to fix that but now the end of tape shut off is not working. Is the problem more likely to be in the Tape Alarm and Shut Off circuit or the Solenoid Driver Circuit? The solenoid does click off at power off. I replaced a couple of caps in the solenoid circuit but to no effect. I would appreciate any pointers. Did someone on this list buy a ZX-9 in Sydney for AU$667.20 on ebay on Friday? I would be interested to hear how it goes seeing I was knocked out. David From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sat Apr 21 16:57:43 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:57:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding meter lamp for 582. In-Reply-To: <31132950.2350071177152935039.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> References: <31132950.2350071177152935039.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3FD651E6-EEB7-4060-AA46-528A23396C59@thegreatbear.net> looking at the service manual.. the meter lamps are rated at 12V and 80mA i'd imagine you should be able to get these at any good electronic parts suppliers.. the bulbs for the transport buttons sometimes blow too, these are 12V 25mA types.. as for the idler tyre.. are you sure you need one? On this type of deck the idler is much longer lasting than the later decks and very, very difficult to replace.. search these lists for details.. I have a 582 and several similar aged nakamichis and none, so far, have needed this tyre replaced.. but they've all needed replaced orange capacitors and some have had stuck pinch roller pivots.. these seem to be the most common issues... regards adrian On 21 Apr 2007, at 11:55, wrote: > I am working on getting my 582 back in to good shape. I will have > it open to replace the idler tire and belts and would like to > replace the lamp above the meters that no longer works. Does > anyone know where I can get one of these lamps? > > Thanks. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 21 17:07:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding meter lamp for 582. In-Reply-To: <31132950.2350071177152935039.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <548845.85476.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you know the size and voltage? Bob joenapolillo at verizon.net wrote: I am working on getting my 582 back in to good shape. I will have it open to replace the idler tire and belts and would like to replace the lamp above the meters that no longer works. Does anyone know where I can get one of these lamps? Thanks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 21 17:56:27 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:56:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A References: <4629E542.2010405@cesmail.net> Message-ID: <00a201c7842d$9edb10a0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> No problem All I can say is that their service was very good BUT more importantly so was the capstan belt, endorsed independantly by Jeff Whittier who had also bought at the same time for his CR ? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean-Paul Darcis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] Anyone you recommend ? Need a belt for my CR3A Thanks Dave, I placed my order with Jeff. It looks like the source you are mentionning (could it be joboz at libero.it ?) still has belts to sell but my order seems to have fallen through the cracks of the postal service somewhere between Italy and the US (at the time of placing my order, I have not realized the vendor was in Europe and I gave my US address to him...). I have been assured a replacement will be shipped again if the loss is confirmed). 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URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 21 19:14:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:14:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Need help finding meter lamp for 582. Message-ID: I believe it may be a 14V 60mA lamp that you require. I use a UK supplier: _www.dalbani.co.uk_ (http://www.dalbani.co.uk) . You may want to check the service manual to verify that this is the correct rating prior to ordering. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 22 01:09:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (hitech77 at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:09:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Requesting info about this statement Message-ID: <17101520.1177196974863.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have seen reel to reel heads rust. That destroys them. Otherwise I think the statement is silly. Plastics with fire retardant added do get brittle, but I've only seen this problem inb TVs....and classic Nak mechanisms.Not much can be done about it. It sounds to me like this auction is for a beat up machine. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >Sent: Apr 21, 2007 12:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Requesting info about this statement > >Hi All >I came across an Ebay Auction with the seller advertising this statement : >------------------------------------ >Lastly, It's heads (which had virtually zero use) were polished to remove >the years of oxidation that builds up over time. ***that is something to >remember when buying ANY used deck, they may be advertised to have low usage >but even sitting in storage or in a stereo rack, the record/playback heads >will build up oxidation over the years. Plus... all plastic and rubber >parts are getting brittle over time. >------------------------------------ >The auction item # is : 320103820900 > >Any comments on this please ? > >Thanks and Regards >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johngipps at aol.com Sun Apr 22 01:32:25 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:32:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning Message-ID: <8C9528473FCA20D-EE8-13C29@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> Hi Alex and Doug The LX-3 and LX-5 are unusual in that they both have a transistor in the capstan motor circuit and the capstans don't rotate until the play command is made. Doug, I often have my Nakamichi decks running for days with their capstans rotating - and this has been the case for decades - it doesn't seem to trouble them. If I'm not playing tapes for a period of weeks or months, I switch on the decks anyway - this creates warmth within the unit and discourages moisture - it also tends to prolong the life of electronic equipment in general - you often hear of equipment failing when switched on after a prolonged period of non-use. Regards John Gipps Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <591553.74082.qm at web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" :) What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - where should I hunt for the cause? cheers, Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:11:05 +0100 From: Doug Locke Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46291E59.8060609 at whiteapple.u-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I tag on here to make this a more general enquiry. The capstans of my 680zx also spin as soon as you switch the deck on. I assume this is normal but does that mean that it is inadvisable to leave the deck switched on until you are just ready to use it and then switch off afterwards. With most hi fi gear it is often recommended to at least warm up for a while before use, how long is needed for a Nak? Is it really necessary for this, the capstans on my Aiwa XK-007 for instance only spin when needed and there does not appear to be any unwanted effects on tape speed etc. Thanks. Doug. Message: 8 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <586986.72405.qm at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My 2 LX5's capstans do NOT rotate when powered up. Bob ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 06:14:49 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning Message-ID: <534433.33631.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, Some years ago, with many people leaving their equipment switched on for hours, its was said to extend the life of electronic equipment, as switch on transients were eliminated. However, this doesn't quite apply to mechanical components, especially motors, cams, levers and actuators as they wear out with use. So the logic of keeping the equipment switched on is right, but the motors running does make me think twice - especially decks like the Dragon. What are your opinions on this? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:32:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning Hi Alex and Doug The LX-3 and LX-5 are unusual in that they both have a transistor in the capstan motor circuit and the capstans don't rotate until the play command is made. Doug, I often have my Nakamichi decks running for days with their capstans rotating - and this has been the case for decades - it doesn't seem to trouble them. If I'm not playing tapes for a period of weeks or months, I switch on the decks anyway - this creates warmth within the unit and discourages moisture - it also tends to prolong the life of electronic equipment in general - you often hear of equipment failing when switched on after a prolonged period of non-use. Regards John Gipps Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <591553.74082.qm at web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" :) What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - where should I hunt for the cause? cheers, Alex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Message: 7 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:11:05 +0100 From: Doug Locke Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46291E59.8060609 at whiteapple.u-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I tag on here to make this a more general enquiry. The capstans of my 680zx also spin as soon as you switch the deck on. I assume this is normal but does that mean that it is inadvisable to leave the deck switched on until you are just ready to use it and then switch off afterwards. With most hi fi gear it is often recommended to at least warm up for a while before use, how long is needed for a Nak? Is it really necessary for this, the capstans on my Aiwa XK-007 for instance only spin when needed and there does not appear to be any unwanted effects on tape speed etc. Thanks. Doug. Message: 8 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <586986.72405.qm at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My 2 LX5's capstans do NOT rotate when powered up. Bob AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 06:27:28 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK To The 10s..... Performance? Message-ID: <888522.25232.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, I have a boxed DR10, which is the only Nak I bought brand new. I think they were more of a pale shadow compared to even the better Nak efforts. The DR10 is a rebadged DR2. While it does sound much better then a normal cassette deck, its still a has many things lacking, in the sonics and features department. I re-wired the screen cables from the head to the playback amp using pure silver wire and did a number of mods on this unit in 2002. It helped open up and smoothen the treble a little. I was planning to work further on it, when the 680ZX knocked on my door, and changed my world forever. While most of us here agree about the Dragon series and 1000 series equipment, the real qualities of the DR10 at least can't be compared to the Dragon. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Fred S.C. Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:10:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK To The 10s..... Performance? Found an old 8 page sales brochure showcasing the Nak 10 line. AV-10, RE-10, DVD-10, MB-10 and the DR-10. Anyone have experience with the sonic quality of these components? Since they were issued close to "The End", are they just a mere shadow of Nakamichi's legacy products? There is a great picture of the Dragon-CD / DAC and PS as pedigree of the 10 series with the following: "The DRAGON-CD Player --- no audio component better represents Nakamichi's quest for sonic integrity and pursuit of the accurate reproduction of the musician's original intent." Comments? Another Fred in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 06:06:28 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:06:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning In-Reply-To: <8C9528473FCA20D-EE8-13C29@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John: Would running the Naks for long periods not wear out the bearings? I am referring to a ZX-9. Is a machine fixable if this occurs? Thanks boogie >From: johngipps at aol.com >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning >Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:32:25 -0400 > > Hi Alex and Doug > > The LX-3 and LX-5 are unusual in that they both have a transistor in the >capstan motor circuit and the capstans don't rotate until the play command >is made. > > Doug, I often have my Nakamichi decks running for days with their >capstans rotating - and this has been the case for decades - it doesn't >seem to trouble them. If I'm not playing tapes for a period of weeks or >months, I switch on the decks anyway - this creates warmth within the unit >and discourages moisture - it also tends to prolong the life of electronic >equipment in general - you often hear of equipment failing when switched on >after a prolonged period of non-use. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 5 > >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:33:28 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Alex > >Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Message-ID: <591553.74082.qm at web53903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >Dear all, > > > >While I'm still trying to get W&F meter for reasonable > >money here in Germany (no luck so far) in order to > >check whether it is possible to do that check with PC, > >I've got a BX-300, which is running ok at the moment, > >and I hope that was the end of "grab-all-Naks-disease" > >:) > > > >What I noticed actually that in contrary to BX-300, > >the capstans of LX-5 do not spin upon powering the > >deck up. Is it normal for the classic mechanism (or > >this particular model) or am I in trouble? If so - > >where should I hunt for the cause? > > > >cheers, Alex. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >Message: 7 > >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:11:05 +0100 > >From: Doug Locke > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <46291E59.8060609 at whiteapple.u-net.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Can I tag on here to make this a more general enquiry. The capstans of > >my 680zx also spin as soon as you switch the deck on. I assume this is > >normal but does that mean that it is inadvisable to leave the deck > >switched on until you are just ready to use it and then switch off > >afterwards. With most hi fi gear it is often recommended to at least > >warm up for a while before use, how long is needed for a Nak? > >Is it really necessary for this, the capstans on my Aiwa XK-007 for > >instance only spin when needed and there does not appear to be any > >unwanted effects on tape speed etc. > > > >Thanks. > >Doug. > > > > > > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Bob Naylor > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 capstans spinning > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <586986.72405.qm at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >My 2 LX5's capstans do NOT rotate when powered up. > > Bob > >________________________________________________________________________ >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >from AOL at AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get the Kung Fu Bunny Theme pack free! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/Themes/Messenger/Reward/Default.aspx?Locale=en-CA# From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 22 11:42:12 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:42:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL IC's Message-ID: Walter, I believe you may have some details of these. I am about to replace all orange caps with new polystyrenes....... then the Auto A.B.L.E. to tackle. Best Reagards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Apr 22 12:15:29 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:15:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19dm23p1cnt0ogskms65b8ede5hqi5o571@4ax.com> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:23:34 -0700, "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: >> You will admire their sound. You will find it for $1 plus shipping >> on batteriesandbutter,com > >That's if you're willing to buy a couple hundred. They're slightly >more expensive for smaller quantity (but still >a good deal). I have had some problems with the shells; tape seems to >stick in rewind mode. Happens on >more than one deck; can be bad from the start or start happening >after, say, autocal. The old rap-on-something-hard >will fix it, but often only temporarily. In conjunction with this, >I've found them noisier in rewind (on the whole). >I don't think it's necessarily maxell or b&b that's the problem, but >they must have been jarred oddly during shipping >or stored badly at some point.-kby Could be that the shells do not spend the nesecary time in the moold before being taken out and sent down the assembly line. Probably because they manufacture these to a price point now that there is a low demand and those who chose them do so because of the brand name the factory might implement some shortcuts to save on production cost, even if it is just to turn out more items per time unit. If the tapes are OK and the shells are marginal now then the tape itself might be next point they save costs or manufacturing quality on. Stock up now! -Mikkel From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Apr 22 13:15:13 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:15:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions References: <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com><8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <8C951D51DB4563D-7AC-137C9@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006c01c784cf$7f91d970$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Tom, John, My tuppence worth. I am still trying to find my Nakamichi belts reference list, but still have lot of 'stuff' to unpack. I have successfully used an 80x0.6x5mm belt, code BLT277, sourced from Tradetech in Auckland NZ, and currently have three machines running on this: 582Z/682ZX/482Z, as this is what my Tech fitted. However, amongst all my acquired bits and bobs from the former NZ Nak tech, there were some anotated packets of belts. BLT277 is noted as "a bit big", and BLT276 as "Good". BLT276 is a 75x0.6x5mm belt, so that fits in with both your determinations. Cost is NZ$2.60 + postage!!. We'd probably find that most of the former "audiocraft" serviced nak are running on this belt!! I'll have to have a play myself as soon as I get some spare time. Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions Hi Tom As stated previously, the belt I found very successful was the 75X0.6X5 from WES - 75mm is the diameter and that translates to 236mm or 9.28" as a circumference. This belt was chosen by comparison with the last of my genuine Nak belts and I found no degradation in specs and no sonic degradation either. I'd like to make a point about measuring specs for different capstan belts as an indicator of their suitability. Obviously, the specs quoted by Nakamichi are those of a new machine - all new and in perfect service condition - properly adjusted. The Nakamichi specs do not apply to a well worn machine even if every effort has been made to service it comprehensively - they didn't even apply to a several years old machine back in the days when all genuine consumable parts were replaced at service time. So if a generic capstan belt fitted today doesn't result in a W&F figure as good as a new Nakamichi, it doesn't prove that the belt isn't as good as an original Nak belt - it may be as good - the specs measured are dependant on dozens of other factors as well. I guess my point is, that unless the tests are conducted on a near new transport in immaculate service order, that the capstan belt measurements may not mean a lot, and even drawing conclusions from the comparison of measurements may be risky. Regards John Gipps Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:13 -0500 From: tom brucker Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419165013.00890e60 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI It is great to have so many motivated Talkers working to find good belts for the classic. As requested, here are the measurements for the C8096C belt. These are not exact as my micrometer skills may be lacking. width 4.8mm 0.195" thickness 0.5mm 0.018" circumference* 231mm 9.06" *measured by flattening the belt, and doubling this length...in other words, the actual circumference is larger the circumference generally is quoted as 9.2" or 235mm Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sun Apr 22 16:04:54 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:04:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Vol 50, Issue 67 - LX-5 Capstans Spinning In-Reply-To: <200704221002.l3MA1Hnq028608@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704221002.l3MA1Hnq028608@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C952FE5660766A-9E8-14CA1@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bala and boogie Since the early 70s, I've always had high level Nakamichi decks in my hifi system at home - in the early days, a 700 Mk2 (I preferred the appearance to the 1000 Mk2) - then a 582 - various of the 670/680 family - and finally a ZX-7, a ZX-9, and an RX202 - these three decks are still in my home system - I was never tempted to change them for later machines that we sold in our hifi shop. I use the ZX-7 more than the others, and it is asking me to service it at the moment. I have always found it convenient to power up the whole system with one switch on the amplifier - so unless I switch off the cassette decks, they are on with capstans running whenever the system is on - I don't now and have never switched them off. I guess they would average about ten hours per week - and there are often times when the system is left on for days. I can see the point you're making guys, but it doesn't seem to have happened to my decks, and having serviced an awful lot of the classic transport in my time, while I have replaced quite a lot of capstan motors, I can't say I've come across worn capstan bearings. My own ZX-7 and ZX-9 normally had "full services" about every seven or eight years - that is a total strip down of the transport, all new perishables, and in the earlier days before parts problems - the take up and supply assemblies were changed also. Everything that moved was cleaned and properly lubricated. I'm sad to admit that my ZX-7 hasn't had a full service for eleven years now. I think you will find that the majority of classic transport owners have had similar experiences with mechanical longevity - it will depend a little on whether they have afforded proper servicing when it was necessary. As far as capstan motor failure is concerned, I've replaced these in young machines and old ones - hours of use must come into it, but not as much as you might think. I have noted that there seems to be a correlation between climate and service interval. In Brisbane where I live, a full service seems to last for about ten years - but clients in North Queensland and Papua New Guinea used to get only about five years between services - these places were more tropical - hotter and wetter. As far as a Dragon or ZX-9 is concerned, you would expect the capstan motors in these to be less affected by hours of use than a conventional capstan motor that is not only commutated, but also rotates faster. Boogie, if you have damaged capstan bearings or a damaged capstan motor in a ZX-9, you have a real problem - yes fixable, but possibly at the expense of turning a lesser ZX-9 into a donor. I did have a customer once with a ZX-9 motor problem after parts had become difficult - we ended up using the capstan motor and the plate it's mounted on from a 480 (same capstan motor as in a ZX-7) to replace the ZX-9 motor and plate. So it's capstan drive became the same as a ZX-7, and there's not a lot wrong a with ZX-7 after all. (yes we put in a "classic" capstan belt as well). This hybrid could be dubbed a ZX-8 - certainly a very cheap and easy way to get a ZX-9 with a motor problem working well again. Regards John Gipps Message: 12 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <534433.33631.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John, Some years ago, with many people leaving their equipment switched on for hours, its was said to extend the life of electronic equipment, as switch on transients were eliminated. However, this doesn't quite apply to mechanical components, especially motors, cams, levers and actuators as they wear out with use. So the logic of keeping the equipment switched on is right, but the motors running does make me think twice - especially decks like the Dragon. What are your opinions on this? Bala Message: 14 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:06:28 -0400 From: "boogie man" Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed John: Would running the Naks for long periods not wear out the bearings? I am referring to a ZX-9. Is a machine fixable if this occurs? Thanks boogie *************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joenapolillo at verizon.net Sun Apr 22 17:23:12 2007 From: joenapolillo at verizon.net (joenapolillo at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:23:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [naktalk] 582 Rewind Problem? Capacitors? Message-ID: <30516995.2494701177255392897.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> I have been working on getting my Nak 582 back into good functional condition. I have replace the idler tire, cam belt, and motion sensor belts. I have to still replace the capstant and tape counter belts. I am still having problems with the deck rewinding tapes. The deck has no problem fast forwarding the same tape it will not rewind. I have diagramed the mechanical arrangement and have determined that the direction of the idler motor does not change based on function the tire is just moved from the supply to the take up based on the function. So why will the deck not rewind? It seems to have the problems the most when it gets close to completing the operation. If anyone has any suggestions on the next step let me know. Also what is the problem with the capacitors? Is there a thread that has already discussed this issue? If so please point to it. If not, if anyone could provide me with the information I am sure that I can handle the replacement of the caps. If the information you have has a source for the parts get, if not and anyone knows where to get the parts or the specifications for the parts I am sure that I can find and replace the caps myself. I would also like to thank Adrian for the information on the lamp that is used in the meter bar. I will see if I can find a source local for the part. Thanks. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 17:41:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Vol 50, Issue 67 - LX-5 Capstans Spinning In-Reply-To: <8C952FE5660766A-9E8-14CA1@FWM-D06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <211866.4181.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, Nice information there. I am used to leaving my decks on all night long and shutting in the morning. Now I guess, I do not have to fear damage due to the above. Thanks Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala and boogie Since the early 70s, I've always had high level Nakamichi decks in my hifi system at home - in the early days, a 700 Mk2 (I preferred the appearance to the 1000 Mk2) - then a 582 - various of the 670/680 family - and finally a ZX-7, a ZX-9, and an RX202 - these three decks are still in my home system - I was never tempted to change them for later machines that we sold in our hifi shop. I use the ZX-7 more than the others, and it is asking me to service it at the moment. I have always found it convenient to power up the whole system with one switch on the amplifier - so unless I switch off the cassette decks, they are on with capstans running whenever the system is on - I don't now and have never switched them off. I guess they would average about ten hours per week - and there are often times when the system is left on for days. I can see the point you're making guys, but it doesn't seem to have happened to my decks, and having serviced an awful lot of the classic transport ! in my time, while I have replaced quite a lot of capstan motors, I can't say I've come across worn capstan bearings. My own ZX-7 and ZX-9 normally had "full services" about every seven or eight years - that is a total strip down of the transport, all new perishables, and in the earlier days before parts problems - the take up and supply assemblies were changed also. Everything that moved was cleaned and properly lubricated. I'm sad to admit that my ZX-7 hasn't had a full service for eleven years now. I think you will find that the majority of classic transport owners have had similar experiences with mechanical longevity - it will depend a little on whether they have afforded proper servicing when it was necessary. As far as capstan motor failure is concerned, I've replaced these in young machines and old ones - hours of use must come into it, but not as much as you might think. I have noted that there seems to be a correlation between climate and service interval. In Brisbane where I live, a full service seems to last for about ten years - but clients in North Queensland and Papua New Guinea used to get only about five years between services - these places were more tropical - hotter and wetter. As far as a Dragon or ZX-9 is concerned, you would expect the capstan motors in these to be less affected by hours of use than a conventional capstan motor that is not only commutated, but also rotates faster. Boogie, if you have damaged capstan bearings or a damaged capstan motor in a ZX-9, you have a real problem - yes fixable, but possibly at the expense of turning a lesser ZX-9 into a donor. I did have a customer once with a ZX-9 motor problem after parts had become difficult - we ended up using the capstan motor and the plate it's mounted on from a 480 (same capstan motor as in a ZX-7) to replace the ZX-9 motor and plate. So it's capstan drive became the same as a ZX-7, and there's not a lot wrong a with ZX-7 after all. (yes we put in a "classic" capstan belt as well). This hybrid could be dubbed a ZX-8 - certainly a very cheap and easy way to get a ZX-9 with a motor problem working well again. Regards John Gipps Message: 12 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <534433.33631.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John, Some years ago, with many people leaving their equipment switched on for hours, its was said to extend the life of electronic equipment, as switch on transients were eliminated. However, this doesn't quite apply to mechanical components, especially motors, cams, levers and actuators as they wear out with use. So the logic of keeping the equipment switched on is right, but the motors running does make me think twice - especially decks like the Dragon. What are your opinions on this? Bala Message: 14 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:06:28 -0400 From: "boogie man" Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 Capstans spinning To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed John: Would running the Naks for long periods not wear out the bearings? I am referring to a ZX-9. Is a machine fixable if this occurs? Thanks boogie *************************************** --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Apr 22 18:09:08 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:09:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: 682ZX Service Manual Message-ID: <042220071609.23233.462B88A4000CE61900005AC122165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Does anyone have a Nakamichi 682ZX Service Manual in PDF form that I can download? I am currently using a 680ZX manual, which does work, but I would rather use the correct manual. Any help will be appreciated, THANKS! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 18:40:18 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 582 Rewind Problem? Capacitors? In-Reply-To: <30516995.2494701177255392897.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <318592.70421.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please look at 582 service manual for some of the check points for DC voltages when you switch to rewind. The Voltage across motor should be around 12 V ( the direction would change basing on the DC voltage potential whether it is +Ve or Negative on the Motor terminal( marked with Red dot or connected to Red wire or marked as +Ve terminal). There could be a problem with the drive transistor when you switch to Rewind operation. this is my Guess. secondly - i do not know how you replaced the idler tire ? If you have dismatled the transport to do this, there is good chance you have not correctly aigned the clutch to unbreak when you try rewind operaion on the supply spool reel. Kannan joenapolillo at verizon.net wrote: I have been working on getting my Nak 582 back into good functional condition. I have replace the idler tire, cam belt, and motion sensor belts. I have to still replace the capstant and tape counter belts. I am still having problems with the deck rewinding tapes. The deck has no problem fast forwarding the same tape it will not rewind. I have diagramed the mechanical arrangement and have determined that the direction of the idler motor does not change based on function the tire is just moved from the supply to the take up based on the function. So why will the deck not rewind? It seems to have the problems the most when it gets close to completing the operation. If anyone has any suggestions on the next step let me know. Also what is the problem with the capacitors? Is there a thread that has already discussed this issue? If so please point to it. If not, if anyone could provide me with the information I am sure that I can handle the replacement of the caps. If the information you have has a source for the parts get, if not and anyone knows where to get the parts or the specifications for the parts I am sure that I can find and replace the caps myself. I would also like to thank Adrian for the information on the lamp that is used in the meter bar. I will see if I can find a source local for the part. Thanks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sergeyleonid at hotmail.com Sun Apr 22 19:30:07 2007 From: sergeyleonid at hotmail.com (Serge Zemskov) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:30:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?q?=28=C2=C5=DA_=D4=C5=CD=D9=29?= Message-ID: PROMPT WHAT TO UNDERTAKE NAKAMICHI ZX 9: 1. The RAISED ACOUSTIC NOISE UNDER TO WIND ENGINE, 2. AT REPRODUCTION the SOUND VANISHES ON METAL THROUGH 1-2 SECONDS, ON the NORMAL IN 5 SECONDS. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Apr 22 23:11:17 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:11:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL IC's Message-ID: <004701c78522$c569dc60$ecd117c4@home> Ben ,is this what you recall ? I actually found a supplier for them(at least in his lists) However trying to order them from him got no response.I think it was a language problem as they were in Thailand! rgds Walter PS---see how long I have been at Bala to do his 1000ZXL thesis! ----- Original Message ----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams Bala,why dont you do a complete resume for the cures for this old lady! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams Hi Walter, I'm at work, so this is all off-memory. I had been looking at the computing side of the 1000ZXL. The analogue op amps are either still available or better substitues have come out. Except for the actual microprocessors, of which there are two in this deck, most of the other components have modern, pin-compatible replacement. The most troublesome part has to be the memory chips. They are the older type which need constant power, without which they loose their data. A modern plug in module is available for this chip which actually takes the data and writes it into a modern EEPROM. So data retention is there, and no batteries are needed. This memory chip was used in many old pinball machines and other games. So many of these chips have failed which prompted the creation of this plug in module. I have the URL at home and I will post it here shortly. The other chips, like the logic gates, are of c! ourse still easy to get. The data latch is being made by a company called Intersil. This new chip has improved specs. So practically most of the computing circuit can be repaired except of course for the computing chip. I have the software flowchart and some programming details with me, and getting a modern USD1.00 to do the job isnt that hard. The valuable commodity here is time. So I think decks like the 1000ZXL, 700ZXE and their cousins which all use these devices do have some more years to go after all. Question is, are we willing to let our defences down and embrace that fact? Regards Bala drewes wrote: Bala,There does seem to be any response to your posting.Do you have any reference for the replacement IC ? How available is it?Maybe one can finally have joy with these old master pieces! rgds Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of parts and Tascams > Hi guys, > > While looking through a list of old computer > ICs, I came across the D5101 CMOS RAM IC. This Ic is > being used in much of the ZXE and ZXL decks I believe. > And they are a source of major letdown. Seems this IC > was also used in many pinball and early computer > circuits from 1977 thru 1989. Now there is a > replacement IC module which just plugs i! nto the socket > of the IC, and it doesnt require batteries since it > writes into an internal EEPROM upon power down. > > Bala > --- TRANSPLATA at aol.com wrote: > > Try Mouser electronics for switches > > Regards, > > Jean-Pierre > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 00:29:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:29:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) In-Reply-To: <468A9F90-4CAC-4E88-AEC4-412CEF580466@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070422172915.00894d30@earthlink.net> Kimo, You might have success replacing the deleted edge connectors with a newer conector. The Digikey.com Waldom pin-style looks promising. WM3230-ND for example is a 10 pin connector. These have 2.54 mm lead spacings and 3.96 mm is also available. You could measure the best fit lead spacing on your 1000ZXL and use the spacing that minimizes drilling. Your 700ZXL problem is odd. Don't you just love things that work, but make no sense? tom brucker At 12:41 PM 4/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Prior repairs were not well done.   All the wires beneath the bias board behind the mechanism are unbundled. Can someone advise me on how they are supposed to be bundled? I'm not sure which ones you mean. I assume by the bias board you mean the CPU boards? Maybe giving both the sources & destinations (at least broadly speaking; e.g. "from the mechanism to the logic/RAMM boards" as opposed to "from the mechanism to the PB Dolby/Rec Dolby boards") would help. Speaking of 'not well done prior repairs'--this one is mostly for the techs--how about some stories of things you couldn't believe. Not so much the run of the mill some traces got lifted unsoldering, or stuff like that, but truly awful things--preferably if it only looks like they were done by someone that was supposed to be competent--e.g. was being paid. For example, I can do a pretty good job soldering on a good day but if it's really complicated or I have to undo and redo something a number of times, or it's hard to get the part out, etc., I know I'm not always that paitient so some of my more "project" kind of machines show issues there. But I know my limits enough to know that if it's a machine I really cared about or someone else's I just wouldn't touch it and send it to someone better than I. But I've seen some awful things from the e-bay machines. Two come to mind and I will give examples: 1. My "project" 700zxl--mostly working now except needs alignment as the next steps--sounds OK, but oddly only autocals successfully when the receiver underneath it is turned on (so even though it's kind of shielded, needs the EMF from the transformer or something?). It had a number of traces on different boards cut very neatly. Some looked like they were factory mods that should up on later version boards, but others (plus some rewiring) looked like features were progressively being disabled as they failed due to a bad component, rather than fixing the problem. 2. One of my 1000zxls: It's the most sad in this aspect. I got it from someone who seemed to really care about his machines.     It mostly arrived with a power supply electrolytic that got snapped off during shipping as a problem, but had some other     minor issues that got fixed when it went in. It still had a problem with external NR (turned out partly relays and partly     a bad connector for the NR-100 in the NR-100 itself, but I didn't know better at the time...), and I've since had some     other issues, some self-inflicted--but I digress. What was sad about this machine and what makes it a royal pain to work     on (I can imagine the tech I used to have commenting on it during his time with it...) is that someone removed all the connectors     on the 4 removable boards (PB Dolby, Detector, Record Amp, and Record Dolby) and their matching connectors on the     Main PCB, made pins out of what looks like paper clip wire for the 4 removable boards, and soldered them directly into     the Main PCB. At this point one of the connectors on the detector boards has even those removed and wires routed around     the back of the Main PCB and soldered to where they would normally connect to--can't remember/don't know if this was my tech     or was done before, but I know the boards were soldered in directly before he ever touched it. Please, no personal attributions, insults, etc. Just keep it to the facts and no insinuations about others on the list.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From daves at intergate.com Mon Apr 23 01:36:50 2007 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:36:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <01b301c77a97$d96b3280$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <001e01c78537$1acc7190$96ee64d0@neptune> Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not appear to be on. -----Original Message----- From: Dan [mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in the group. Here is the URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: "All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-)." Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me is about 2 hours old. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 23 00:45:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:45:59 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_(=C2=C5=DA_=D4=C5=CD=D9)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070422174559.00890730@earthlink.net> Serge, English is not your native language. >>>> PROMPT WHAT TO UNDERTAKE NAKAMICHI ZX 9: translation: what recommended repairs for 2 problems: 1. The RAISED ACOUSTIC NOISE UNDER TO WIND ENGINE, translation: hiss noise ? squeal noise when fast wind tape? ? recommend lubricating mode cam and replacing mode cam belt. Clean fast wind idler tire. 2. AT REPRODUCTION the SOUND VANISHES ON METAL THROUGH 1-2 SECONDS, ON the NORMAL IN 5 SECONDS. translation: sound vanishes in seconds Clean pinch rollers. Verify that pinch roller guides are not sticky. Do they rise into correct position in play or are they not contacting the tape? Verify guide height if the gauge is available. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Apr 23 05:42:19 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:42:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <001e01c78537$1acc7190$96ee64d0@neptune> References: <01b301c77a97$d96b3280$0307a8c0@DR1> <001e01c78537$1acc7190$96ee64d0@neptune> Message-ID: <20070423034222.LNUR22457.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Dan, The guy who keeps posting these craigslist offering must be a lonely, lonely individual. This has to be the third of fourth time I've seen this same ad with the very same pictures and the very same words. According to another on this Naktalk list, when they contacted the person for some reason, the seller was fishy in his response and remarks. A giant BEWARE was given to him. So, BEWARE!!!!!! At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: >Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not >appear to be on. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan [mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San >Francisco area > >FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy >tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in the >group. Here is the URL: > >http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html > >I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what >happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: > >"All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of >the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still >have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. >He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he >is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen >within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen >tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked >pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff >was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for >the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the >total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for >all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for >the Gold edition :-)." > >Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: > >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg >http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg > >The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me >is about 2 hours old. > >Dan >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Apr 23 10:39:17 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:39:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <20070423034222.LNUR22457.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <01b301c77a97$d96b3280$0307a8c0@DR1> <001e01c78537$1acc7190$96ee64d0@neptune> <20070423034222.LNUR22457.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <914E8DDC-0D6D-4C36-9D74-A3FB43115CB8@thegreatbear.net> might be worth looking at his? other pictures form the same photobucket account: http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/?start=20 there seems to be a whole set of Nak calibration tapes and other nice hifi ... of course this account could be someone else's not the craiglist's sellers... adrian On 23 Apr 2007, at 04:42, Roland wrote: > Dan, > > The guy who keeps posting these craigslist offering must be a > lonely, lonely individual. This has to be the third of fourth time > I've seen this same ad with the very same pictures and the very > same words. > > According to another on this Naktalk list, when they contacted the > person for some reason, the seller was fishy in his response and > remarks. > > A giant BEWARE was given to him. > > So, BEWARE!!!!!! > > At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: >> Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not >> appear to be on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan [ mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San >> Francisco area >> >> FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy >> tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in >> the group. Here is the URL: >> >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html >> >> I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what >> happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his >> reply: >> >> “All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each >> of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I >> still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is >> actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's >> manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. >> This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to >> record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat >> there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it >> too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything >> that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an >> issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the >> deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets >> not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-).” >> >> Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: >> >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg >> >> The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me >> is about 2 hours old. >> >> Dan >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 14:51:43 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <20070423034222.LNUR22457.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <243235.17774.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, That was me who paid the seller ( Nik Martinov) $1442for the zxl on March 26th and he did not ship fr a week. Initially he appreciated a check and I refused. He wanted a 3% extra to cover paypal. I agreed.( 1400plus 42) When I querried as to the shipment, he refunded the paypal payment and said when tested prior to shipping, one of the channels did not work! Thsa seller, I am told by Tom Brucker of Hi Tech has already sold the deck to someone esle from Nak Talk. I hope all went off well. I would be extra careful with sellers like that! Just spooky, thats all. Ram Roland wrote: Dan, The guy who keeps posting these craigslist offering must be a lonely, lonely individual. This has to be the third of fourth time I've seen this same ad with the very same pictures and the very same words. According to another on this Naktalk list, when they contacted the person for some reason, the seller was fishy in his response and remarks. A giant BEWARE was given to him. So, BEWARE!!!!!! At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not appear to be on. -----Original Message----- From: Dan [ mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in the group. Here is the URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: “All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-).” Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me is about 2 hours old. 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URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Mon Apr 23 16:34:39 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:34:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Franciscoarea In-Reply-To: <914E8DDC-0D6D-4C36-9D74-A3FB43115CB8@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <005a01c785b4$86ed3ad0$0307a8c0@DR1> Roland and Adrian, I posted that original message on April 9th. The reason that you are seeing it again on NakTalk is that David posted a reply to my post yesterday (04.22.07): > At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: >> Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not >> appear to be on. As a result, my entire post was reprinted, including the links. Ram was the person who warned us that the seller had flip-flopped on the sale of the 1000XL to him, (at least he got his money back!). I checked the posting for the tapes and accessories and it has been pulled from CraigsList. (Possibly already sold). Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:39 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Franciscoarea might be worth looking at his? other pictures form the same photobucket account: http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/?start=20 there seems to be a whole set of Nak calibration tapes and other nice hifi ... of course this account could be someone else's not the craiglist's sellers... adrian On 23 Apr 2007, at 04:42, Roland wrote: > Dan, > > The guy who keeps posting these craigslist offering must be a > lonely, lonely individual. This has to be the third of fourth time > I've seen this same ad with the very same pictures and the very > same words. > > According to another on this Naktalk list, when they contacted the > person for some reason, the seller was fishy in his response and > remarks. > > A giant BEWARE was given to him. > > So, BEWARE!!!!!! > > At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: >> Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not >> appear to be on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan [ mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San >> Francisco area >> >> FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy >> tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in >> the group. Here is the URL: >> >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html >> >> I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what >> happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his >> reply: >> >> "All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each >> of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I >> still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is >> actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's >> manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. >> This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to >> record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat >> there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it >> too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything >> that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an >> issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the >> deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets >> not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-)." >> >> Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: >> >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg >> http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg >> >> The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me >> is about 2 hours old. >> >> Dan >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 23 16:54:15 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area In-Reply-To: <243235.17774.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56378.50043.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram and all the Folks, I did order one item from this seller ( much less than $1500 ) and paid by PayPal and I received it within three days. However, I am not sure about other higher price stuffs that he offers. So like Ram said, proceed with care and make sure you can recover the money if something went wrong. Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Folks, That was me who paid the seller ( Nik Martinov) $1442for the zxl on March 26th and he did not ship fr a week. Initially he appreciated a check and I refused. He wanted a 3% extra to cover paypal. I agreed.( 1400plus 42) When I querried as to the shipment, he refunded the paypal payment and said when tested prior to shipping, one of the channels did not work! Thsa seller, I am told by Tom Brucker of Hi Tech has already sold the deck to someone esle from Nak Talk. I hope all went off well. I would be extra careful with sellers like that! Just spooky, thats all. Ram Roland wrote: Dan, The guy who keeps posting these craigslist offering must be a lonely, lonely individual. This has to be the third of fourth time I've seen this same ad with the very same pictures and the very same words. According to another on this Naktalk list, when they contacted the person for some reason, the seller was fishy in his response and remarks. A giant BEWARE was given to him. So, BEWARE!!!!!! At 07:36 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: Wonder if the A.B.L.E. indicator lamps are working as they do not appear to be on. -----Original Message----- From: Dan [ mailto:danzone7 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Francisco area FYI - A person has just posted an assortment of Nakamichi Metalloy tapes, test tapes and remotes that may be of interest to some in the group. Here is the URL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/308351717.html I contacted him for more information and pricing, as well as what happened to the 1000ZXL that all this goes with, and here is his reply: “All I have is what you see in the pictures. I want $25 for each of the Nakamichi metalloy tapes. They are still factory sealed! I still have the 1000ZXL, my Dad is the original owner. It is actually his. He still has the original box and packaging, owner's manual. Once he is ready to sell it it will be going for $1500obo. This will happen within the next three months. He only used it to record a dozen tapes or so and the rest of the time it just sat there and looked pretty. I am selling the RM-200 remote for it too. All this stuff was purchased in one day. It was everything that was available for the 1000ZXL. Obviously money was not an issue at the time so the total came to about $9K, $4.5K for the deck and about the same for all the accessories! He only regrets not paying the extra $500 for the Gold edition :-).” Here are some pictures of the 1000ZXL: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0498.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0497.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0496.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0495.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0494.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/nik_martinov/DSCF0493.jpg The CraigsList posting is about 8 hours old, the email reply to me is about 2 hours old. 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Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 23 21:51:23 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:51:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: > Kimo, > You might have success replacing the deleted edge connectors > with a > newer conector. The Digikey.com Waldom pin-style looks promising. > WM3230-ND for example is a 10 pin connector. These have 2.54 mm lead > spacings and 3.96 mm is also available. You could measure the best > fit lead > spacing on your 1000ZXL and use the spacing that minimizes drilling. Thanks; I'll take a look. Seem to have some other issues now; cobbled together the test box (or enough to fiddle with the bias settings) and wound up with a logic issue, which I hope isn't the uPD546C--after finishing the azimuth part of the test, it either immediately goes into alarm mode (like it couldn't calibrate the tape) or acts as if I only asked it to do azimuth (rewinds, but doesn't light the set/end light. Hopefully a bad gate somewhere, but I need to mull this one over a bit as I'm slow at reading things I can actually test. I still need to find lights. Note that the size is important for the 1000zxl (as well as some fo the 680zx ones) as they have these fitted blue rubber sleeves, so getting something too small doesn't work too well, either. I got some that were the right voltage and current from a model railroad store, but they were too small to work well for the places that need those. Stupid question; does one need a particularly high DVM (being used as the VTVM referenced in the service manuals) to read the current (or voltage actually as specified in the manual even though it says "current") for the bias oscillator? I say this because I have never been able to get good readings using the procedure in the book with an (old) Fluke 8202A. > Your 700ZXL problem is odd. Don't you just love things that > work, but > make no sense? > > tom brucker Only slightly less than problems that "fix themselves" while you're look at them :-).-kby > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 23 22:06:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:06:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: Hi Kimo, I recently sourced a load of lamps from _www.dalbani.co.uk_ (http://www.dalbani.co.uk) of the following varieties: 12V 40mA , 12V 60mA & 14V 60mA (All wire ended) These were perfect for the 1000ZXL. Not sure how the size compares to your requirement but I can send you one to check if you like? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 23 22:23:49 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:23:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: <858D6186-DDCF-444B-8C74-C5C155E07F60@alumni.caltech.edu> > I recently sourced a load of lamps from _www.dalbani.co.uk_ > (http://www.dalbani.co.uk) of the following varieties: > > 12V 40mA , 12V 60mA & 14V 60mA (All wire ended) Thanks! I actually just saw your link in the post for the 582 meter lamp and went there. I think the 1000zxl's bulbs are actually 12v 30mA, but I''ll re-check to be sure. I didn't see any there on that page, but I don't think I saw 40mA ones, either; was it a special request? Would a scan with a ruler be easier to send to get at least a rough guess?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 23 22:47:13 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:47:13 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: Hi Kimo, You are correct, they should be 30mA but after hours of searching those proved elusive in the extreme at the right size. These 40 mA were subsequently the best available substitutes and have been fitted & work very well with even brightness across the panel. They were there last time I ordered. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 06:31:47 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: <61690.46930.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, This logic problem is for the 1000ZXL right? Make sure that the computer pcb actually receives the run command(Pin 5, IC710). Also the 400Hz oscillator working on the bias section (C103) ? Because after azimuth its the bias adjustment. Make sure the maximum bias current, bias trap and bias current adjustments are done - I have a feeling something is not quite right in these areas. I've yet to see a uPD546 fail its quite a well made chip. I had a problem with these bulbs, so when i used a slightly bigger replacement, I used a blue permanent marker to color them. These blulbs even came with leadout wires...and were like a few dollars for a dozen. I still have many of them, so if anyone wants them, I'd be willing to send some. Well a modern DVM should not be a problem , so long it has a high impedance input that doesn't load down the circuit. I have not seen the specs for the 8202. My Fluke 87 performs alright though. Best Regards, Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:51:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Kimo, You might have success replacing the deleted edge connectors with a newer conector. The Digikey.com Waldom pin-style looks promising. WM3230-ND for example is a 10 pin connector. These have 2.54 mm lead spacings and 3.96 mm is also available. You could measure the best fit lead spacing on your 1000ZXL and use the spacing that minimizes drilling. Thanks; I'll take a look. Seem to have some other issues now; cobbled together the test box(or enough to fiddle with the bias settings) and wound up with a logic issue, which I hope isn't the uPD546C--after finishing the azimuth part of the test, it either immediately goes into alarm mode (like it couldn't calibrate the tape) or acts as if I only asked it to do azimuth (rewinds, but doesn't light the set/end light. Hopefully a bad gate somewhere, but I need to mull this one over a bit as I'm slow at reading things I can actually test. I still need to find lights. Note that the size is important for the 1000zxl (as well as some fo the 680zx ones) as they have these fitted blue rubber sleeves, so getting something too small doesn't work too well, either. I got some that were the right voltage and current from a model railroad store, but they were too small to work well for the places that need those. Stupid question; does one need a particularly high DVM (being used as the VTVM referenced in the service manuals) to read the current (or voltage actually as specified in the manual even though it says "current") for the bias oscillator? I say this because I have never been able to get good readings using the procedure in the book with an (old) Fluke 8202A. Your 700ZXL problem is odd. Don't you just love things that work, but make no sense? tom brucker Only slightly less than problems that "fix themselves" while you're look at them :-).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 24 08:32:09 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:32:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: > Hi Kimo, > > This logic problem is for the 1000ZXL right? Make sure > that the computer pcb actually receives the run command(Pin 5, > IC710). Also the 400Hz oscillator working on the bias section > (C103) ? Because after azimuth its the bias adjustment. Make sure > the maximum bias current, bias trap and bias current adjustments > are done - I have a feeling something is not quite right in these > areas. I've yet to see a uPD546 fail its quite a well made chip. > > I had a problem with these bulbs, so when i used a slightly bigger > replacement, I used a blue permanent marker to color them. These > blulbs even came with leadout wires...and were like a few dollars > for a dozen. I still have many of them, so if anyone wants them, > I'd be willing to send some. > > Well a modern DVM should not be a problem , so long it has a high > impedance input that doesn't load down the circuit. I have not seen > the specs for the 8202. My Fluke 87 performs alright though. > > Best Regards, > Bala Bala, Yes, it is a 1000zxl (not the gold one). Thanks for the hints; will look into it. If you reverse-engineered the algorithm, it would be helpful to see it. A blue permanent marker--hmm, I'll have to see how that looks. If they are only slightly larger (and I can't see them being too much larger and still fitting in the housing), shouldn't the boots stretch over them (carefully)? Too small, they tend to fall off unless I want to glue or tape them on. "Modern" is relative. It's about 25 years old, so, probably not modern enough. Scott Johnson pointed out needing a high enough frequency rating for AC RMS voltages and suggested the 8606 which has been replaced by the 189, which is what I was looking at (for when it comes up cheap on ebay). They are actually only spec'd at 100kHz, but I guess that's close enough to get a decent reading at 105kHz.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 24 04:44:19 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:44:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - I Know When I'm Beaten Message-ID: <042420070244.8606.462D6F02000F25BE0000219E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I recently acquired a 682ZX that won't play, rewind or fast-forward for more than a second. You hit the button and the deck tries to do what you ask it to do, but then it stops almost immediately. I figured that the rubber parts were all tired, so I got a set of belts off of eBay and a new idler tire, and cracked open the deck. I also got a lamp, because I'm sure that the tape-sensor lamp is probably burnt out, too. I have a good amount of soldering and mechanical skills, but when I saw how complex this machine is, I knew that I was NOT the man for the job. Truthfully, I could probably pull it off, but I would run the risk of getting something horribly out of adjustment, or worse, I would break something. So I'm taking it to a local repair shop that works on Naks and I'll let them fix it. Is Stephen Sank still fixing Naks? I thought I heard somewhere that he was no longer doing this. I would consider sending it to him. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 24 05:02:13 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! Message-ID: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 24 05:46:32 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:46:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi 1000ZXL for sale in the San Franciscoarea In-Reply-To: <005a01c785b4$86ed3ad0$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <914E8DDC-0D6D-4C36-9D74-A3FB43115CB8@thegreatbear.net> <005a01c785b4$86ed3ad0$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <20070424034633.VROI22457.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Thanks Dan. I am going to keep a mental note on when it shows up again. Roland At 10:34 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote: >Roland and Adrian, > >I posted that original message on April 9th. The reason that you are seeing >it again on NakTalk is that David posted a reply to my post yesterday >(04.22.07): From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 24 11:35:17 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:35:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording References: <00b201c77f48$b8923170$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <01d701c78653$de9f2e10$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Adrian Just to let U know. I bought my components to fix the non erase/record from Cricklewood Electronics who even had the pukka transistors. I actually only needed to replace the 2 4700pf capacitors [most likely ones to go] & it was back working. If U haven't got yours yet I can recopmmend this place as a source of spares - very helpful on the phone, quick to send & cheapish to post with no min order. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording badly initially & not erasing with newrecording > hi ian.. > > i have several naks all with your problem.. non functioning bias > oscillator.. > > i haven't ordered the parts for my 480, 680, 682 or 582 yet but I think > I'll use www.digikey.com > > they have an excellent range of panasonic capacitors just right for this > circuit... I'd expect Maplin's finest would be ok if you only want a > small quantity.. > > have you read kannan's pages about the orange caps? This is excellent > and details for other components are likely to have gone too... > http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ > > you might have a harder time getting the other components from maplin.. i > don't know if they do fusible resistors and the transistor mentioned is > an NEC japanese type, you'd need to find a european equivalent.. I have > an equivalents book and when I've finished my order I'll let you have a > copy or post the components and order codes here.. > > adrian > > > On 15 Apr 2007, at 11:27, > wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Recently acquired a cosmetically very nice 480Z needing tlc which I have >> provided in the form of thorough cleanup, mainly new belts, rubber >> treatment for slipping idler/pinchwheels. Result is that the deck now >> plays prerecorded cassettes quite well. >> having fixed play I moved on to recording, initially from LP [Heybrook >> TT2 with Hadcock unipivot] which proved a disaster - little recorded & >> distortion abounded etc. Worse when I tried again after a head reclean & >> demagnetise [TDK cassette type unit] the unit didn't overwrite the >> earlier captured details so.. >> >> After some advice feedback the best suggestion is that the deck is >> potentially suffering from 'orange caps failure in the Bias Osc >> circuit'. >> >> I have found a reference in earlier Naktalk archives [Stephen Sank re >> 482Z - 2000]. Stephen advised that 'the replacement of the two orange >> capacitors next to the erase oscillator transformer marked 472 with >> 0.0047uf/100V polyester capacitors would normally fix these issues as >> normally nothing else is damaged when their failure occurs. >> >> The only foc service manual I can find is that on Ebaman for the 480 >> deck & in this [page 9]it details the two capacitors that may be being >> referred to by Stephen as C302 & C303 [both labelled 47000P [G] ]. >> >> My questions for the group are >> >> - Can anyone provide a service manual download for the 480Z or [confirm >> that circuitry is essentially the same - excepting the Dolby C inclusion >> ?] >> - confirm that capacitor references for the 480Z that do the same job as >> do C302 & C303 on the 480 >> - confirm that the Maplins UK capacitor details shown below [at a >> massive £0.11 ] are the suitable items to effect a fix ? >> >> Maplins - Mylar Film Capacitors >> >> >> A range of general purpose capacitors supplementing the other film and >> foil capacitor ranges in this catalogue. They are inductively wound and >> have an epoxy resin coating. >> >> >> >> >> >> Tolerance: >> >> ±10% >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Working voltage: >> >> 100Vdc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Temperature range: >> >> -40C to +85C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Value (µF) >> >> Case Size (mm) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> H >> >> L >> >> Pitch >> >> 0.001 >> >> 2.8 >> >> 10 >> >> 5.3 >> >> 3 >> >> 0.0022 >> >> 2.9 >> >> 10 >> >> 5.5 >> >> 3.5 >> >> 0.0047 >> >> 3.1 >> >> 12.5 >> >> 5.8 >> >> 3.5 >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 14/04/2007 > 21:36 > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 11:58:07 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - I Know When I'm Beaten In-Reply-To: <042420070244.8606.462D6F02000F25BE0000219E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070424095807.69906.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, No Steve isnt repairing Naks anymore. He is taking a break from Naks for at least til next year. How do I know? I got a letter from him and also aan unrepaired deck back. Some other individuals have not received what they sent back for over 2-3 years now. Ram hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I recently acquired a 682ZX that won't play, rewind or fast-forward for more than a second. You hit the button and the deck tries to do what you ask it to do, but then it stops almost immediately. I figured that the rubber parts were all tired, so I got a set of belts off of eBay and a new idler tire, and cracked open the deck. I also got a lamp, because I'm sure that the tape-sensor lamp is probably burnt out, too. I have a good amount of soldering and mechanical skills, but when I saw how complex this machine is, I knew that I was NOT the man for the job. Truthfully, I could probably pull it off, but I would run the risk of getting something horribly out of adjustment, or worse, I would break something. So I'm taking it to a local repair shop that works on Naks and I'll let them fix it. Is Stephen Sank still fixing Naks? I thought I heard somewhere that he was no longer doing this. I would consider sending it to him. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 24 15:15:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:15:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! In-Reply-To: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <462E02F6.9070702@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? > > Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... > > 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. > > 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. > > 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". > > 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. > > 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! > > 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. > > 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. I love these crazy decks... If it weren't for item 7, I would suspect the speed sensor (auto shut off) circuitry. For item 7 alone, I would look at the control motor and/or leaf switches and/or timer switch logic. So, you could have a combination of faults, or it's something I haven't thought about :-). In such cases, I find that nothing beats good ol' systematic step by step troubleshooting. (Find whether the PLAY line is still pulled low after stop[ping ; if so, find what pulls it; etc., etc..). -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 15:35:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! Message-ID: <834885.35554.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well do not panic - this is a drop-out caused by a bad rectifier or regulator that supplies power to the processor or logic section. I've seen this problem happen even in reel decks that run on processor based control. It seems to work fine, then looses its mind only to recover back in a few days. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:02:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 15:55:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:55:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! In-Reply-To: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070424085551.008871c0@earthlink.net> Often times it helps to identify the common elements when you have multiple problems. In your case, the 5 volt power supply is in common with the mechanism control microprocessor and the counter. Look for excessive ripple, possibly caused by a bad capacitor. If you have a DVM, measure the AC volts in the 5 volt supply. AC should be almost zero. Also note, a low DC reading indicates lots of AC ripple is present. tom brucker At 03:02 AM 4/24/07 +0000, you wrote: >PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? > >Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... > >1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. > >2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. > >3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". > >4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. > >5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! > >6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. > >7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From phil05 at abv.bg Tue Apr 24 16:19:26 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:19:26 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] Question monitor switch in 660 ZX Message-ID: <1664967485.237721177424366493.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Hello! Is this modification possible - an external monitor switch tape/source in 660 ZX? Or this is very complicated? Has 660 ZX separated rec/pb amplifiers as 670 ZX and is it possible to use the circuit diagram of 670 ZX? Thank you very much again for all the help! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Нека музиката бъде с теб! http://musicidol.btv.bg/ From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 24 16:47:08 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:47:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Behaving Strangely In-Reply-To: <8C9549636C72D4B-6D4-29E7@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> References: <200704241001.l3OA0ghe010662@zxe.naks.com> <8C9549636C72D4B-6D4-29E7@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C954969138BEFC-6D4-2A12@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> Sorry Wouter - I pressed send before altering the subject line - here it is again. Hi hwbosshoss (what's your name?) Firstly, your BX300 does not have a lever to stop it playing when there's no tape in the cassette holder - you may have confused the record protect switch or the eject switch for this. All Nakamichis can be put in the play mode with no tape in the holder - as long as the door is closed. Secondly, please check to see if the repeat and memory switches are on - I suspect that they might be. This would explain why the unit goes into play after the counter resets. Thirdly, the most likely fault causing intermittent reset of the counter would be a defective Q601, or less likely, a defective C601. You could replace Q601 (2SC945) with a BC639 - same pinout and size, but they don't fail as often. C601 is 1uF 50V electrolytic - any nice new electrolytic of the same value and size - the voltage rating could be as low as 5V - so for instance 1uF 16V, 25V etc would be ok. Q601 and C601 are on the main PCB - the one that also contains the 42 pin chip IC601. My money's on Q601. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. *************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 24 17:12:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:12:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX300 Behaving Strangely Message-ID: <042420071512.1901.462E1E540005D5A30000076D22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, John: Thank you so much for your detailed reply about my BX-300! I really appreciate it! I posted this same query on a couple of audio-related newsgroups, and your diagnosis is the most detailed (and helpful) of all the ones I received. Someone else mentioned dirty leaf switches in the mode cam system. What are your thoughts? Once again, THANKS so much for your help. *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: johngipps at aol.com > Sorry Wouter - I pressed send before altering the subject line - here it is > again. > > > > Hi hwbosshoss (what's your name?) > > Firstly, your BX300 does not have a lever to stop it playing when there's no > tape in the cassette holder - you may have confused the record protect switch or > the eject switch for this. All Nakamichis can be put in the play mode with no > tape in the holder - as long as the door is closed. > > Secondly, please check to see if the repeat and memory switches are on - I > suspect that they might be. This would explain why the unit goes into play after > the counter resets. > > Thirdly, the most likely fault causing intermittent reset of the counter would > be a defective Q601, or less likely, a defective C601. You could replace Q601 > (2SC945) with a BC639 - same pinout and size, but they don't fail as often. C601 > is 1uF 50V electrolytic - any nice new electrolytic of the same value and size - > the voltage rating could be as low as 5V - so for instance 1uF 16V, 25V etc > would be ok. Q601 and C601 are on the main PCB - the one that also contains the > 42 pin chip IC601. My money's on Q601. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comca > st.net> > > > PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? > > Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is > doing...please consider the following seven facts... > > 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always > perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. > > 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. > > 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but > the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the > counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". > > 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the > problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start > to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck > correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck > almost never corrects itself now. > > 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS > return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is > very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually > PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! > > 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will > stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the > counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon > return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can > start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. > > 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or > fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but > it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop > the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and > IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. > > > > *************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at AOL.com. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL > at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: BX300 Behaving Strangely Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:48:02 +0000 Size: 4608 URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 24 17:14:26 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: BX300 Behaving Strangely In-Reply-To: <8C954969138BEFC-6D4-2A12@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> References: <200704241001.l3OA0ghe010662@zxe.naks.com> <8C9549636C72D4B-6D4-29E7@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> <8C954969138BEFC-6D4-2A12@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9549A61D8DA3F-6D4-2C79@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> Hi again hwhossboss Whoops. You better check SW709 first (the counter reset switch on the Control Switch PCB) - if it's playing up it may respond to a spray type cleaner. My money is no longer on Q601 or C601 - wrong reset. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. *************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil05 at abv.bg Tue Apr 24 17:19:39 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:19:39 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - I Know When I'm Beaten Message-ID: <477371508.251971177427979741.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> If I can help, I think, you have may be a burn out small 12 V lamp in the auto - stop assy and only this must be changed. Please exscuse my english... If this is the reason, to change the lamp, dismount the top cover, the front plate and if the auto - stop assy is still not visible at the front right side of the mechanism at the end of the long rubber belt from the take-up reel, dismounte the mechanism assy, or move this enough back ( 6 screws and some cables, very carefully). Then you will see in the right side of the mechanism the the auto – stop assy . And the small lamp. Unsolder the old and solfder an new 12 V smallest lamp with low light/power I don't know the exact parameter, but they are not so important, it is important some light and low temerature of the lamp. This lamp must light continuously at power switch on. Good luck and ask may be first also somebody with more experiance? Regards, Valentin >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Относно: [naktalk] 682ZX - I Know When I'm Beaten >До: naktalk at naks.com >Изпратено на: Вторник, 2007, Април 24 05:44:19 EEST >---------------------------------- > >I recently acquired a 682ZX that won't play, rewind or fast-forward for more than a second. You hit the button and the deck tries to do what you ask it to do, but then it stops almost immediately. > >I figured that the rubber parts were all tired, so I got a set of belts off of eBay and a new idler tire, and cracked open the deck. I also got a lamp, because I'm sure that the tape-sensor lamp is probably burnt out, too. > >I have a good amount of soldering and mechanical skills, but when I saw how complex this machine is, I knew that I was NOT the man for the job. Truthfully, I could probably pull it off, but I would run the risk of getting something horribly out of adjustment, or worse, I would break something. > >So I'm taking it to a local repair shop that works on Naks and I'll let them fix it. > >Is Stephen Sank still fixing Naks? I thought I heard somewhere that he was no longer doing this. I would consider sending it to him. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 17:48:19 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: BX300 Behaving Strangely Message-ID: <202757.56147.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, The unusual thing is that several logic related things are happening at onece - and they go away after a few days. This exact thing happened on my Teac reel deck and it was solved after changing the bridge rectifier. Any chance of a similar thing here thing happening here? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: hwhossboss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:14:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: BX300 Behaving Strangely Hi again hwhossboss Whoops. You better check SW709 first (the counter reset switch on the Control Switch PCB) - if it's playing up it may respond to a spray type cleaner. My money is no longer on Q601 or C601 - wrong reset. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. *************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 24 18:00:23 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps Message-ID: <042420071600.21145.462E299700036A820000529922165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, there are a few miniature lamps on my 682ZX that are not working and seem to be blown. The MAIN one is the tap transport lamp, which I think is the key to my whole problem with this unit (no play, FF, or RW). I am also speaking of the lamp above the cassette door, and the lamp for the STOP button. I do not have a 682ZX service manual, so I am using a 680ZX service manual instead. According to the 680ZX service manual, the lamp above the cassette door is 12v 60mA, and the lamp for the STOP button is 12v 25mA, and the lamp for PCB letter "B" (which I believe is my tape transport lamp) is 12v 60mA. Are these values the same for the 682ZX? From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 22:04:23 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:04:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: <042420071600.21145.462E299700036A820000529922165499769C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070424150423.008905c0@earthlink.net> For reference There are two miniature lamps common in Nakamichis B8552 12V 25ma dim. used in function indicators, auto stop. common substitutes are: sharp RLMPM017AFZZ, JVC V1395084-001 , Panasonic YEAL01110, Sony 1-518-644-11 B8586 12v 60ma bright. Used in cassette well and meter lamp common substitutes are : Nakamichi B90132, Alpine 65B43747J01, MCM 25-1370, Clarion 017-0338-06. A larger lamp B8553 was used in 480 meter bars. These are twice the size of the B8552. 14V 80ma common substitutes are: MCM 25-2700 The 1000ZXL uses B8721 12V 30ma for the ABLE , B8722 12V 60ma for the tape functions, and B8552 for shut off. I have never seen these lamps to verify their size, but the B8586 ought to work well in place of the B8722. HTH tom brucker At 04:00 PM 4/24/07 +0000, you wrote: >OK, there are a few miniature lamps on my 682ZX that are not working and seem to be blown. The MAIN one is the tap transport lamp, which I think is the key to my whole problem with this unit (no play, FF, or RW). > >I am also speaking of the lamp above the cassette door, and the lamp for the STOP button. > >I do not have a 682ZX service manual, so I am using a 680ZX service manual instead. > >According to the 680ZX service manual, the lamp above the cassette door is 12v 60mA, and the lamp for the STOP button is 12v 25mA, and the lamp for PCB letter "B" (which I believe is my tape transport lamp) is 12v 60mA. > >Are these values the same for the 682ZX? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 24 22:04:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:04:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Behaving Strangely In-Reply-To: <8C954969138BEFC-6D4-2A12@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9549636C72D4B-6D4-29E7@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> <200704241001.l3OA0ghe010662@zxe.naks.com> <8C9549636C72D4B-6D4-29E7@WEBMAIL-RD19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070424150424.0089b100@earthlink.net> How about NakTalk??? Answers from Singapore, Australia, and the USA. wow. tom brucker At 10:47 AM 4/24/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Sorry Wouter - I pressed send before altering the subject line - here it is again. Hi hwbosshoss (what's your name?) Firstly, your BX300 does not have a lever to stop it playing when there's no tape in the cassette holder - you may have confused the record protect switch or the eject switch for this. All Nakamichis can be put in the play mode with no tape in the holder - as long as the door is closed. Secondly, please check to see if the repeat and memory switches are on - I suspect that they might be. This would explain why the unit goes into play after the counter resets. Thirdly, the most likely fault causing intermittent reset of the counter would be a defective Q601, or less likely, a defective C601. You could replace Q601 (2SC945) with a BC639 - same pinout and size, but they don't fail as often. C601 is 1uF 50V electrolytic - any nice new electrolytic of the same value and size - the voltage rating could be as low as 5V - so for instance 1uF 16V, 25V etc would be ok. Q601 and C601 are on the main PCB - the one that also contains the 42 pin chip IC601. My money's on Q601. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:02:13 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - Behaving STRANGELY! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <042420070302.28535.462D733500039A6400006F7722165258569C9C01089C9C010D990 8 at comcast.net> PLEASE HELP! How do I fix this???? Here is a detailed description to tell everyone exactly what my BX-300 is doing...please consider the following seven facts... 1) If you turn the deck off and leave it alone overnight, the deck will always perform OK immediately after being switched on the next day. 2) However, after a few minutes of use, the deck will start to behave strangely. 3) If the deck happens to be playing, it will play normally and sound fine, but the individual zeroes in the digital counter will start flickering and the counter will constantly re-set itself back to "0000". 4) If you let the deck continue to play while this weird flickering happens, the problem sometimes corrects itself and the counter will stop flickering and start to count normally again and the deck operates normally. HOWEVEVER, the deck correcting itself is an event that is starting to get more rare...the deck almost never corrects itself now. 5) If you stop the deck while the counter is flickering, the deck will ALWAYS return to PLAY mode all by itself--EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. This is very strange because there is a tape-sensing lever in the deck that actually PREVENTS the deck from playing if no tape is in the deck! 6) If you stop the deck while the counter is operating normally, the deck will stay stopped, just as it should. HOWEVER...I should point out that if the counter starts to flicker while the deck is stopped, then the deck will soon return itself to PLAY mode...EVEN IF NO TAPE IS IN THE MACHINE. The counter can start to flicker at any time, whether the deck is in PLAY mode or is stopped. 7) When the counter flickers and you stop the deck and attempt to rewind or fast-forward the tape, the deck will follow the command for a few seconds, but it will always stop itself and return itself to PLAY mode. The only way to stop the deck permanently when the counter is flickering is to stop the deck and IMMEDIATELY turn the power off. *************************************** ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 03:15:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: <523618.11654.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, The blue marker does cast a slightly different hue as to the original green, recently I got a teal colored marker from my wife. This is a closer match. For most of the decks, the cassette compartment light is out. The bulbs fit in there nicely, and looking at the space for the ABLE lights, the bulbs should have no problem going in there. With the marker colouring, you do not need the boots (I actually call the socks! heh!). Besides, after long heat cycles, the boots become fragile and tend to tear when I take them out. 25 years is a long way for instruments Kimo. Even the venerable TD460A Tek scopes are looking ancient by today's standard. I think they will still work for a slightly higher frequency. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:32:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Hi Kimo, This logic problem is for the 1000ZXL right? Make sure that the computer pcb actually receives the run command(Pin 5, IC710). Also the 400Hz oscillator working on the bias section (C103) ? Because after azimuth its the bias adjustment. Make sure the maximum bias current, bias trap and bias current adjustments are done - I have a feeling something is not quite right in these areas. I've yet to see a uPD546 fail its quite a well made chip. I had a problem with these bulbs, so when i used a slightly bigger replacement, I used a blue permanent marker to color them. These blulbs even came with leadout wires...and were like a few dollars for a dozen. I still have many of them, so if anyone wants them, I'd be willing to send some. Well a modern DVM should not be a problem , so long it has a high impedance input that doesn't load down the circuit. I have not seen the specs for the 8202. My Fluke 87 performs alright though. Best Regards, Bala Bala, Yes, it is a 1000zxl (not the gold one). Thanks for the hints; will look into it. If you reverse-engineered the algorithm, it would be helpful to see it. A blue permanent marker--hmm, I'll have to see how that looks. If they are only slightly larger (and I can't see them being too much larger and still fitting in the housing), shouldn't the boots stretch over them (carefully)? Too small, they tend to fall off unless I want to glue or tape them on. "Modern" is relative. It's about 25 years old, so, probably not modern enough. Scott Johnson pointed out needing a high enough frequency rating for AC RMS voltages and suggested the 8606 which has been replaced by the 189, which is what I was looking at (for when it comes up cheap on ebay). They are actually only spec'd at 100kHz, but I guess that's close enough to get a decent reading at 105kHz.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 25 18:27:27 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:27:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Botched repairs (was: Fun with Ram's ZXL) Message-ID: > This logic problem is for the 1000ZXL right? Make sure that the > computer pcb actually receives the run command(Pin 5, IC710). Also > the 400Hz oscillator working on the bias section (C103) ? Because > after azimuth its the bias adjustment. Make sure the maximum bias > current, bias trap and bias current adjustments are done - I have a > feeling something is not quite right in these areas. I've yet to > see a uPD546 fail its quite a well made chip. OK, there does seem to be a run command generated (pin 5), but the output (pin 4) goes to about 2VDC (but it looks like it's pulsed from the H2 output of the CPU on pin 6 and that I only see about 150mV on, so I'm guessing it's not straight DC). The 400Hz oscillator works OK on 0db and does the auto-azimuth OK, so I think it's ok. The bias adjustments while perhaps not perfect should be good enough for the deck to at least start the autocal. The problem I was trying to trace when this happened was that it wouldn't calibrate anything other than a Type 1 and took forever at that (and also seemed underbiased at the end), so I think the adjustments should be good enough to get to tryijng to autocal. What seems to be the issue is that a signal pulses on the D1 output port of the CPU (CN7 pin 7) when auto azimuth completes. A secondary symptom that sometimes shows up is that if the deck acts more like it's just auto-azimuthing rather than auto-caling, it sometimes switches to the "B" memory (and no other, although most times it stays unchanged from what it was before) which is also multiplexed on D1. This would be in conjunction with a clock pulse placed on H0 (IC701 pin 26), but this looks legit as I know that under normal operation, if one of ABCD and/or Manual EQ) were previously active, they are deactivated when the auto-cal starts (after the auto-azimuth), so it looks like to do that both H0 and H1 have to pulse since the half controlled by H1 handles the Manual EQ and ABC, where as H0 controls D, but also run and end. It is having both run and end high simultaneously that seems to trigger the error condition. Does this look correct and/or does it help? Thanks, Bala.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 16:22:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:22:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Victor's cassette collection In-Reply-To: <200704110251.l3B2oxJc032581@zxe.naks.com> References: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070425092252.0089bb80@earthlink.net> Victor, I am sorry your collection did not find a home. I assume that most of the decks would be for sale at the prices listed in your eBay ad. Would you prefer NakTalker wait for the eBay auctions, or would it be ok to contact you directly? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Apr 25 17:16:43 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:16:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps Message-ID: <042520071516.1361.462F70DB0009B8820000055122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Tom: Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # B8552 (12v, 25mA). However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't seem to find the Sharp or Sony parts. Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics on it. This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright or hot. As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a good fit. If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go with that. Thanks again, *andy* From herrmann at jeol.com Wed Apr 25 17:17:45 2007 From: herrmann at jeol.com (Anders Herrmann) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:17:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-303 problems Message-ID: Hi George, I'm a recent subscriber to the naks.com mailing list, and I saw your post involving your RX-303 auto-reverse problem. My RX-303 has a similar problem with auto-reverse and I wondered if you ever got an answer to your questions. Many thanks for your reply ! -Andy (Boston, MA, US) From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 25 19:43:41 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:43:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Victor's cassette collection In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070425092252.0089bb80@earthlink.net> References: <461C0292.7060909@rcn.com> <3.0.3.32.20070425092252.0089bb80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <462F934D.8030800@xs4all.nl> Just to let you know... I noticed Victor unsubscribed right after hist last post... Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > Victor, > I am sorry your collection did not find a home. I assume that most of > the decks would be for sale at the prices listed in your eBay ad. Would > you prefer NakTalker wait for the eBay auctions, or would it be ok to > contact you directly? > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 19:30:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Victor's cassette collection In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070425092252.0089bb80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <536800.53386.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Victor is keeping all his decks he said in an email to me 3 days ago. I am happy for him, although I would have wanted a few of his decks. Only if wishes were horses. Ram Hi Tech wrote: Victor, I am sorry your collection did not find a home. I assume that most of the decks would be for sale at the prices listed in your eBay ad. Would you prefer NakTalker wait for the eBay auctions, or would it be ok to contact you directly? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 19:28:10 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:28:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX-303 problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10704251028x7b47e604u4a35a03ea89d15b1@mail.gmail.com> I don't have an RX-303 and never had one. Must be someone else on the list. George On 4/25/07, Anders Herrmann wrote: > Hi George, > > I'm a recent subscriber to the naks.com mailing list, and I saw your > post involving your RX-303 auto-reverse problem. > > My RX-303 has a similar problem with auto-reverse and I wondered if > you ever got an answer to your questions. > > Many thanks for your reply ! > > > -Andy (Boston, MA, US) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 20:05:38 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: <042520071516.1361.462F70DB0009B8820000055122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <807705.87338.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If any lamp has higher current rating( having lesser resistance) add small resistor to reduce the current and use it. Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, Tom: Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # B8552 (12v, 25mA). However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't seem to find the Sharp or Sony parts. Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics on it. This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright or hot. As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a good fit. If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go with that. Thanks again, *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Apr 25 21:00:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:00:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps Message-ID: <042520071900.25923.462FA5440009F8F30000654322165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Consolidated Electronics has a sub-miniature lamp rated at 12 volts, 35 mA. Would the brightness of this lamp be comparable to the Nak's original lamp? How about heat? I'm talking about the lamps behind the Play/Stop buttons. *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 22:05:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:05:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service manual project-Help needed Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070425150513.00889100@earthlink.net> Happy happy day! I have been given most of the Nakamichi service manuals, bulletins, etc. When I first joined Naktalk we discussed the massive job of scanning and archiving these manuals and several folks voluntered. The time has come! I can now loan these manuals without time constraints to Talkers willing to scan and upload to the ebaman site. Someone will have to post scanning format, resolution, and other details. It is probably time to watermark the pages if someone could design the watermark. It might also be time to collect contributions for access to the database...? Unlike all the other projects I have going, I can delegate the manual shipping to others and get them out quickly. I do need a list of manuals that already have complete, hi-resolution scans. Would users of our existing manuals list the scans that are low quality or incomplete? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 25 21:07:07 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:07:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: <042520071516.1361.462F70DB0009B8820000055122165548869C9C01 089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070425140707.0088ab90@earthlink.net> These were lamps that I used to sub with the Nakamichi parts, because Nak lamps were the least expensive.Brightness and size will be exact. I will double check availability for Sony, JVC and Sharp. tom brucker At 03:16 PM 4/25/07 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, Tom: > >Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # B8552 (12v, 25mA). > >However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't seem to find the Sharp or Sony parts. > > >Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. > > >I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics on it. This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright or hot. > > >As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a good fit. > > >If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go with that. > > >Thanks again, > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Apr 26 18:44:56 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:44:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - No Output Message-ID: <042620071644.14195.4630D708000D176B0000377322165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I managed to grab another BX-300 off of eBay, sold "as is". This is NOT the same BX-300 that I said was behaving strangely in another post. This BX-300 has good tape movement and seems to have been well cared for....but there is no sound when you play a tape. The meters don't register anything either. Any ideas for possible solutions? Thanks in advance.... *andy* (Who seems to be a magnet for sick Naks lately!) From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 20:11:57 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - No Output In-Reply-To: <042620071644.14195.4630D708000D176B0000377322165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <653461.9067.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is the tape/source selector switch in the tape position? SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: OK, I managed to grab another BX-300 off of eBay, sold "as is". This is NOT the same BX-300 that I said was behaving strangely in another post. This BX-300 has good tape movement and seems to have been well cared for....but there is no sound when you play a tape. The meters don't register anything either. Any ideas for possible solutions? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 21:40:25 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:40:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] idler and reel washers Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070426144025.008892c0@earthlink.net> I am searching for sources of replacement washers. from JVC are these part #s : Sankyo mechanism idler VKZ4004-004 cost is about $2.50 Sankyo reel table 99990313T cost is about $2.50 back ordered at present. I will search for a lower priced washer and post those results. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 26 21:40:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:40:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions In-Reply-To: <8C951D51DB4563D-7AC-137C9@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> <200704201002.l3KA1I3k019193@zxe.naks.com> <8C951D4C128FC65-7AC-137BB@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070426144024.00892e60@earthlink.net> John and all, Thank you for the excellent information. I, too, struggled the belt measurments. Here are the 3 reasons why measurements on a used deck may be valid: 1. We all have used decks. 2. A new "white mark" C8096 belt was the reference. The used C8096 measured almost as well as the new belt. 3. The goal here is to discover which of many compromises might perform better, not which belt meets specifications or which seller has the "best" belt. Jeff Galin is the only servicer capable of installing new motors, belts, bearings, idlers, and pinchrollers to produce a deck with new specifications. Since he has a supply of C8096, my testing is of little value to him. It is possible that a machine in better condition might perform better with substitute belts, so I will run the testing with a second deck. tom brucker At 10:37 PM 4/20/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom As stated previously, the belt I found very successful was the 75X0.6X5 from WES - 75mm is the diameter and that translates to 236mm or 9.28" as a circumference. This belt was chosen by comparison with the last of my genuine Nak belts and I found no degradation in specs and no sonic degradation either. I'd like to make a point about measuring specs for different capstan belts as an indicator of their suitability. Obviously, the specs quoted by Nakamichi are those of a new machine - all new and in perfect service condition - properly adjusted. The Nakamichi specs do not apply to a well worn machine even if every effort has been made to service it comprehensively - they didn't even apply to a several years old machine back in the days when all genuine consumable parts were replaced at service time. So if a generic capstan belt fitted today doesn't result in a W&F figure as good as a new Nakamichi, it doesn't prove that the belt isn't as good as an original Nak belt - it may be as good - the specs measured are dependant on dozens of other factors as well. I guess my point is, that unless the tests are conducted on a near new transport in immaculate service order, that the capstan belt measurements may not mean a lot, and even drawing conclusions from the comparison of measurements may be risky. Regards John Gipps Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:13 -0500 From: tom brucker <hitech77 at earthlink.net> Subject: [naktalk] Classic belt dimensions To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070419165013.00890e60 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI It is great to have so many motivated Talkers working to find good belts for the classic. As requested, here are the measurements for the C8096C belt. These are not exact as my micrometer skills may be lacking. width 4.8mm 0.195" thickness 0.5mm 0.018" circumference* 231mm 9.06" *measured by flattening the belt, and doubling this length...in other words, the actual circumference is larger the circumference generally is quoted as 9.2" or 235mm Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net *************************************** ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From clintmschd at aol.com Thu Apr 26 22:31:38 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:31:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - No Output In-Reply-To: <653461.9067.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9565906BB5E78-318-D34F@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> Hey Andy, Clint here, it sounds to me like there's a possible problem with the playback head. I would check to make sure it's clean and demag the head. It's possible it could be the switch itself. I doubt if it's in the wiring, not an issue with Naks. It's either the playback head itself, the wires leading to it, sometimes they come loose or the solder breaks off from age, or the switch is out. It's one of the two or both. I've had many BX300's in my time. Longest run i've had with them was 8 yrs. I'll bet it's the wires because the mechanism moves up and down on that deck. I dig the LX, RX and ZX series myself. I have one each of them and they're all nice. The DR series are cool as hell too. I don't consider it a "Big Boy" Nak as i deem them but, it holds it own with them. Very quiet. The LX series has that "Star Trek" kind of look to them, stealth in appearence but, don't be fooled, it's every bit a Nakamichi. If you have any more questions and hey, good luck! Clint -----Original Message----- From: p9019 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 - No Output Is the tape/source selector switch in the tape position? SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: OK, I managed to grab another BX-300 off of eBay, sold "as is". This is NOT the same BX-300 that I said was behaving strangely in another post. This BX-300 has good tape movement and seems to have been well cared for....but there is no sound when you play a tape. The meters don't register anything either. Any ideas for possible solutions? Thanks in advance.... *andy* (Who seems to be a magnet for sick Naks lately!) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <042620072045.24548.46310F65000D8B9700005FE422165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I did some checking around, and I think I have found a good source for those pesky micro-miniature bulbs. As many of you know, Nakamichi used a TINY bulb rated at 12v 25mA for various lighting jobs. One of the places that my 682ZX uses them is to light up its function keys (Stop, Rec, Play, etc.), and I have discovered that my STOP button has burned out. Aaargh! The size of the bulb is approximately 6mm long by 3mm wide. Tony's Trains (www.tonystrains.com) sells a bulb that is rated at 12v 30mA and is 5mm by 1.7mm wide...plenty small enough to fit wherever the original Nak bulb was mounted. I have just ordered these for my 682ZX and I will let you all know how they work out. Unfortunately, you cannot buy these bulbs singly...only in packs of 10. Would anyone be interested in my spares? I only needed a couple of these bulbs! For the record (or is it tape?), my 682ZX uses a 12v 60mA bulb to light up the cassette well and to light the tape movement sensor, and I was able to get the EXACT replacement for these bulbs at RADIO SHACK, of all places! The Radio Shack stock number for the 12v 60mA bulb is 272-1092. Cheers, *andy* From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Apr 26 23:53:42 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:53:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 In-Reply-To: <653461.9067.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress :-) _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ From clintmschd at aol.com Fri Apr 27 00:16:22 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:16:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C95667A830D0D9-318-D94F@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I'm not Scott,i'm Clint. -----Original Message----- From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 2:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Scott, How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress :-) _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 02:20:22 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] idler and reel washers Message-ID: <752468.72823.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I got those washers at a much lower price, about few cents each. Need any quantity? I think these are also the washers that Ram lost on his MR1. I managed to scrounge these from my box, but there are new replacements available. Let me know. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: tom brucker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:40:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] idler and reel washers I am searching for sources of replacement washers. from JVC are these part #s : Sankyo mechanism idler VKZ4004-004 cost is about $2.50 Sankyo reel table 99990313T cost is about $2.50 back ordered at present. I will search for a lower priced washer and post those results. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 02:34:05 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <411583.16868.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The ST-7 remote is pretty much done. I built the first one and sold it to Mark who has been using it. It's listed on my web site http://www.nakremotes.com/ST-7_Remote.htm, but, not in that sexy little HP case I showed people earlier. It's in the standard 2.6" x 2.6" x 1.1" box that my tape deck remotes are in using old tape deck remote PC boards that were found to be incompatible with older nak decks. I did a run of ST-7 remote boards for the HP case, but, screwed it up. The board sat in the housing rotated 90 degrees. I recently got a new set of boards in that fixed that problem. I just haven't built one up yet. But anyway they are available in my standard black box now, but, if you order one it won't ship until next week at the earliest, I ran out of the IR windows and ordered a bunch this morning from Mouser. Hopefully they will arrive before I leave on business again. If they don't then it won't ship until the week after that. Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off the power. The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe that playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. SJ winnie pooh wrote: Scott, How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress :-) _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 27 04:55:10 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:55:10 -0600 Subject: FW: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 Message-ID: I received the ST-7 remote transmitter some 2 weeks ago. I hooked it up and notice I had 8 radio stations at the control of my hand held remote. The Sony vcr code I had programmed in my universal remote for my Nakamichi cassette deck remote transmitter also worked for my Nakamichi ST-7 remote transmitter. These 2 remote transmitters are a must for Nakamichi cassette deck and Nakamichi ST-7 tuner fans. >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) > >The ST-7 remote is pretty much done. I built the first one and sold it to >Mark who has been using it. It's listed on my web site >http://www.nakremotes.com/ST-7_Remote.htm, but, not in that sexy little HP >case I showed people earlier. It's in the standard 2.6" x 2.6" x 1.1" box >that my tape deck remotes are in using old tape deck remote PC boards that >were found to be incompatible with older nak decks. I did a run of ST-7 >remote boards for the HP case, but, screwed it up. The board sat in the >housing rotated 90 degrees. I recently got a new set of boards in that >fixed that problem. I just haven't built one up yet. But anyway they are >available in my standard black box now, but, if you order one it won't ship >until next week at the earliest, I ran out of the IR windows and ordered a >bunch this morning from Mouser. Hopefully they will arrive before I leave >on business again. If they don't then it won't ship until the week after >that. > > Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote >receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a >report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces >to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck >using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a >bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off >from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify >the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off the >power. > > The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't >figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn >off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared >receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport >controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and >then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe that >playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. > > SJ > >winnie pooh wrote: > >Scott, > >How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress :-) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. >http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Don�t quit your job � Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: text5.txt URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Apr 27 15:01:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:01:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I AM OFFICIALLY AN IDIOT! Message-ID: <042720071301.13448.4631F420000797DC0000348822155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I just got another BX-300 off of eBay, and yesterday I posted a question about how to fix it...because it had no output when playing a tape. With one simple question, Scott Johnson fixed my problem AND proved how much smarter he is than I. "Is the tape/source selector switch in the tape position?" That was all that was wrong! I can't believe that I didn't have the common sense to check the tape/source switch! Boy, my face is as red as the BX-300's level meters! By the way, I got this BX-300 from its original owner, and it came complete with the original receipt, owner's manual and TWO Nakamichi BX-300 brochures--one about the BX-300's features, and one showing reprints of various audio magazine reviews of the BX-300. Got the whole package for just $101 shipped to my door! I am satisfied, to say the least. A big THANK YOU to Scott and all you other Nak maniacs! It's really great to have such a valuable source of help and information about these beautiful machines. *andy* From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 27 15:49:58 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I AM OFFICIALLY AN IDIOT! In-Reply-To: <042720071301.13448.4631F420000797DC0000348822155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <191340.23732.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great deal Andy! I have a pdf of the service manual if you're interested. It's an 8 meg file. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I just got another BX-300 off of eBay, and yesterday I posted a question about how to fix it...because it had no output when playing a tape. With one simple question, Scott Johnson fixed my problem AND proved how much smarter he is than I. "Is the tape/source selector switch in the tape position?" That was all that was wrong! I can't believe that I didn't have the common sense to check the tape/source switch! Boy, my face is as red as the BX-300's level meters! By the way, I got this BX-300 from its original owner, and it came complete with the original receipt, owner's manual and TWO Nakamichi BX-300 brochures--one about the BX-300's features, and one showing reprints of various audio magazine reviews of the BX-300. Got the whole package for just $101 shipped to my door! I am satisfied, to say the least. A big THANK YOU to Scott and all you other Nak maniacs! It's really great to have such a valuable source of help and information about these beautiful machines. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Apr 27 16:28:30 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:28:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I AM OFFICIALLY AN IDIOT! In-Reply-To: <042720071301.13448.4631F420000797DC0000348822155670749C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <042720071301.13448.4631F420000797DC0000348822155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070427142832.KTDW28347.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Andy, What is your impression of the BX300 and what other decks have you the privilege to compare? At 09:01 AM 4/27/2007, you wrote: >I just got another BX-300 off of eBay, and yesterday I posted a >question about how to fix it...because it had no output when playing a tape. > >With one simple question, Scott Johnson fixed my problem AND proved >how much smarter he is than I. > >"Is the tape/source selector switch in the tape position?" > >That was all that was wrong! I can't believe that I didn't have the >common sense to check the tape/source switch! > >Boy, my face is as red as the BX-300's level meters! > >By the way, I got this BX-300 from its original owner, and it came >complete with the original receipt, owner's manual and TWO Nakamichi >BX-300 brochures--one about the BX-300's features, and one showing >reprints of various audio magazine reviews of the BX-300. > >Got the whole package for just $101 shipped to my door! I am >satisfied, to say the least. > >A big THANK YOU to Scott and all you other Nak maniacs! It's really >great to have such a valuable source of help and information about >these beautiful machines. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjkent at comcast.net Fri Apr 27 17:28:18 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:28:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote Message-ID: <000301c788e0$aec24e90$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> My apologies to Scott for being a little slow to test his power strip remote....I have been exceptionally busy. However, I have tested it with one of my CR-4s and it works flawlessly. I am using it with a Sony RMT-V191A remote and with Scott's receiver unit jumpered per Scott's instruction sheet for the Sony VHS code. The transport buttons on the remote work all of the CR-4 transport functions, and the power button on the remote cycles the power strip. Scott supplied a 10' long mini connector cable to connect the receiver unit to the plug strip....that is plenty long enough to locate the power strip conveniently. Scott's new dip switch configuration inside the receiver unit is very convenient. I plan to test it with my Dragon and a 682ZX, but it should be fine with those as well since the remote function is the same as the prior units. I can recommend this remote package highly. Scott....the timing of the power strip 'power off' does not matter with my CR-4 configuration. But of course, the wallwart for the remote receiver cannot be plugged into the controlled power strip or else you cannot turn it on. Robert Kent Scott wrote: Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off the power. The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and then rewind and shut off. 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URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Fri Apr 27 18:33:51 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:33:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote In-Reply-To: <000301c788e0$aec24e90$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <200704271635.l3RGYDZE021774@zxe.naks.com> would this work for the rx 505? i have his first remote for the 505 and it works well. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rjkent at comcast.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote My apologies to Scott for being a little slow to test his power strip remote....I have been exceptionally busy. However, I have tested it with one of my CR-4s and it works flawlessly. I am using it with a Sony RMT-V191A remote and with Scott's receiver unit jumpered per Scott's instruction sheet for the Sony VHS code. The transport buttons on the remote work all of the CR-4 transport functions, and the power button on the remote cycles the power strip. Scott supplied a 10' long mini connector cable to connect the receiver unit to the plug strip....that is plenty long enough to locate the power strip conveniently. Scott's new dip switch configuration inside the receiver unit is very convenient. I plan to test it with my Dragon and a 682ZX, but it should be fine with those as well since the remote function is the same as the prior units. I can recommend this remote package highly. Scott....the timing of the power strip 'power off' does not matter with my CR-4 configuration. But of course, the wallwart for the remote receiver cannot be plugged into the controlled power strip or else you cannot turn it on. Robert Kent Scott wrote: Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off the power. The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe that playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. SJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 19:12:54 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote In-Reply-To: <000301c788e0$aec24e90$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <903835.89105.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert, thanks for the feedback. I went to Fry's and selected two outlet strips that had screws holding it together (a lot are sonic welded together) so that I could open them to put in my relay and input connector. One outlet strip actually was bad. The neutral wire was NOT connected! What a piece of crap. Anyway, on those outlet strips all the outlets are connected together and I could not separate them. I have found a new outlet strip that uses standard dual outlet modules like the ones in a house wall socket. These are connected together in sets of two. I have modified that one to only switch the last two outlets. The other four are non-switched. For all future outlet strips I will be using this new outlet strip even though it is kind of expensive. I realize you are busy and appreciate any time you are able to devote to testing. No rush. In a couple weeks I will probably be ready to make this new Power Control version available. In the mean time only you and I will have the luxury of controlling their decks transport and power via a regular remote control. :-) Also I'm working on a beefed up switched outlet that will switch my RX-505, ST-7 tuner, Stax CA-Y preamp and Adcom GFA-535 amp. This requires a much heftier relay than the one I have been using (2 Amps -> 15 Amps) My problem is I'm looking for an outlet strip that has enough room inside for this larger relay. I might use my APC UPS Outlet strip that recently died due to battery failure. Scott J. rjkent at comcast.net wrote: My apologies to Scott for being a little slow to test his power strip remote....I have been exceptionally busy. However, I have tested it with one of my CR-4s and it works flawlessly. I am using it with a Sony RMT-V191A remote and with Scott’s receiver unit jumpered per Scott’s instruction sheet for the Sony VHS code. The transport buttons on the remote work all of the CR-4 transport functions, and the power button on the remote cycles the power strip. Scott supplied a 10’ long mini connector cable to connect the receiver unit to the plug strip....that is plenty long enough to locate the power strip conveniently. Scott’s new dip switch configuration inside the receiver unit is very convenient. I plan to test it with my Dragon and a 682ZX, but it should be fine with those as well since the remote function is the same as the prior units. I can recommend this remote package highly. Scott....the timing of the power strip ‘power off’ does not matter with my CR-4 configuration. But of course, the wallwart for the remote receiver cannot be plugged into the controlled power strip or else you cannot turn it on. Robert Kent Scott wrote: Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off the power. The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe that playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. SJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Apr 27 22:50:26 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:50:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. Message-ID: I am currently replacing caps in a 1000ZXL and it was quite a challenge locating the replacements. But in particular, I found it impossible to locate a Polypropylene 620pF 100V J tolerance (5%) substitute. In order to overcome this, I have placed an order for the manufacture of a batch with higher spec's. The spec's are as follows: Polystyrene, Axial, 620pF, 160V, F Tolerance (1%). Each ZXL utilises 4 of these on the Record Eq Amp PCB. Should anyone else be considering a similar project, or if you just want to stash them for the future, I would be happy to supply some of the above as I will have some spares. Sorry, Not trying to start a supply business at all, just trying to be helpful. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 28 00:43:11 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:43:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c7891d$70929520$7300a8c0@Shaun> I purchased my BX-300 about 18 mths ago from the States at a premium price of $200. I had it serviced at B & W and gear upgraded at a cost of approx £140. So far I have been very, very pleased with the reproduction of my mostly home made cassettes from the 70's and 80's. I recently replaced my Philips CD 104 with an Arcam CD72 and again, feel that the upgrade was a worthwhile improvement over the aged Philips. Over the last few years (well, about ten actually) I have let my old turntable rest on it's laurels, virtually in retirement as I had become lazy and had decided to give CD a chance to catch up as the medium matured. Well a couple of days ago I took my turntable, a Thorens TD125 with a SME 3009 Series II improved tonearm and Ortofon VMS 20E cartridge, into my local hi-fi shop (MD Audio Visual in Christchurch, Dorset) to have it serviced prior to winding it up again, just to see how it sounded. It needed a new belt and the the phono plug on the lead from the tone arm needed re soldering. The motor and spindle were lubricated and the stylus thoroughly cleaned. Oh yes, the thumbwheel on the anti skate assembly had vanished so a new assembly had to be ordered from SME. Total cost was parts £25 and labour £10. I consider that to be reasonable beyond expectation. When I got home I hooked it up and quickly grabbed one of the only two albums lying around that had escaped being stored. It was Rock Follies, the songs from the BBC TV series made in 1976 written by Andy Mackay (who also played saxes). I dropped the stylus gently onto the first track, turned up the volume a bit and waited for the result. I was dumb founded; no, more like sent into a state of shock. What I heard was music, sweet music like I had not heard for years. I sat down and listened. Everything that I had tried to correct on the reproduction from the CD player, lack of bass, unlifelike musical reproduction of many instruments, was suddenly there in spades. Ray Russell's guitar solos growled like they should and Andy Mackay's sax had all the bite and raspy leading edges that I am so used to hearing live. The bass guitar dug deep and with plenty of drive, as it should do with rock music. All of this without ever sounding harsh or tiring to listen to. It just sounded right. Next I dug out my otherquickly available LP; Hans Vollenweider playing Bach Organ Music on the organ of the Grossmunster Zurich. It was a revelation. I had forgotten how good that old HMV Concert Classic Series LP was. Very close to real live organ too. And believe you me, I live close to the Christchurch Priory which has a wonderful fully restored organ to which I have been to listen on many occassions and am fully aware of how a full church organ sounds. I have some excellent CD's of Peter Hurford playing Bach Organ pieces at different venues, including the 10000 pipe organ at the Sydney Opera House, and brilliant as they are, they do not compare sonically with this 1960 vinyl recording. I have enjoyed this evenings music in a way that I have not done for a long time and I cannot stop smiling. Furthermore I am very glad that I did not sell off my LP collection when I started to invest in CD. The question now is, is my BX-300 up to the task of making faithfull recordings onto my supply of TDK-SA cassettes that the machine has now been specifically set up for? Up to now I have only used it for replay. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 02:22:09 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <003601c7891d$70929520$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <20070428002210.69719.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shaun, Welcome to the world of analogue music again! Yes your BX would do a good job. A ZX7/9 would do a better job than the BX or even better would be a 700zxe/zxl or the best the monster deck 1000ZXL. the advantage the other decks have over the BX is that you can calibrate them to specific bias/levels depending on the tape sensitivity and formulations. Try recording with a metal bias cassette. I have seen that any metal bias tape records better than any other tape. Period. Enjoy the Thorens....and the Nak, of course! Ram Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message I purchased my BX-300 about 18 mths ago from the States at a premium price of $200. I had it serviced at B & W and gear upgraded at a cost of approx £140. So far I have been very, very pleased with the reproduction of my mostly home made cassettes from the 70's and 80's. I recently replaced my Philips CD 104 with an Arcam CD72 and again, feel that the upgrade was a worthwhile improvement over the aged Philips. Over the last few years (well, about ten actually) I have let my old turntable rest on it's laurels, virtually in retirement as I had become lazy and had decided to give CD a chance to catch up as the medium matured. Well a couple of days ago I took my turntable, a Thorens TD125 with a SME 3009 Series II improved tonearm and Ortofon VMS 20E cartridge, into my local hi-fi shop (MD Audio Visual in Christchurch, Dorset) to have it serviced prior to winding it up again, just to see how it sounded. It needed a new belt and the the phono plug on the lead from the tone arm needed re soldering. The motor and spindle were lubricated and the stylus thoroughly cleaned. Oh yes, the thumbwheel on the anti skate assembly had vanished so a new assembly had to be ordered from SME. Total cost was parts £25 and labour £10. I consider that to be reasonable beyond expectation. When I got home I hooked it up and quickly grabbed one of the only two albums lying around that had escaped being stored. It was Rock Follies, the songs from the BBC TV series made in 1976 written by Andy Mackay (who also played saxes). I dropped the stylus gently onto the first track, turned up the volume a bit and waited for the result. I was dumb founded; no, more like sent into a state of shock. What I heard was music, sweet music like I had not heard for years. I sat down and listened. Everything that I had tried to correct on the reproduction from the CD player, lack of bass, unlifelike musical reproduction of many instruments, was suddenly there in spades. Ray Russell's guitar solos growled like they should and Andy Mackay's sax had all the bite and raspy leading edges that I am so used to hearing live. The bass guitar dug deep and with plenty of drive, as it should do with rock music. All of this without ever sounding harsh or tiring to listen to. It just sounded right. Next I dug out my otherquickly available LP; Hans Vollenweider playing Bach Organ Music on the organ of the Grossmunster Zurich. It was a revelation. I had forgotten how good that old HMV Concert Classic Series LP was. Very close to real live organ too. And believe you me, I live close to the Christchurch Priory which has a wonderful fully restored organ to which I have been to listen on many occassions and am fully aware of how a full church organ sounds. I have some excellent CD's of Peter Hurford playing Bach Organ pieces at different venues, including the 10000 pipe organ at the Sydney Opera House, and brilliant as they are, they do not compare sonically with this 1960 vinyl recording. I have enjoyed this evenings music in a way that I have not done for a long time and I cannot stop smiling. Furthermore I am very glad that I did not sell off my LP collection when I started to invest in CD. The question now is, is my BX-300 up to the task of making faithfull recordings onto my supply of TDK-SA cassettes that the machine has now been specifically set up for? Up to now I have only used it for replay. Shaun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 28 03:05:48 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:05:48 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] ST-7 Message-ID: You are absolutely correct Scott. I have access to 16 different stations. >From: Scott Johnson >To: mark8559 at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) > >You should have 16 station presets. Use the "0" button to do a SHIFT 9-16 >to access the other 8 memories. The "0" button will toggle between SHIFT >On and Off. > > SJ > >Mark Exstedt wrote: > I received the ST-7 remote transmitter some 2 weeks ago. I hooked it up >and >notice I had 8 radio stations at the control of my hand held remote. The >Sony vcr code I had programmed in my universal remote for my Nakamichi >cassette deck remote transmitter also worked for my Nakamichi ST-7 remote >transmitter. These 2 remote transmitters are a must for Nakamichi cassette >deck and Nakamichi ST-7 tuner fans. > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The ST-7 remote is pretty much done. I built the first one and sold it to > >Mark who has been using it. It's listed on my web site > >http://www.nakremotes.com/ST-7_Remote.htm, but, not in that sexy little >HP > >case I showed people earlier. It's in the standard 2.6" x 2.6" x 1.1" box > >that my tape deck remotes are in using old tape deck remote PC boards >that > >were found to be incompatible with older nak decks. I did a run of ST-7 > >remote boards for the HP case, but, screwed it up. The board sat in the > >housing rotated 90 degrees. I recently got a new set of boards in that > >fixed that problem. I just haven't built one up yet. But anyway they are > >available in my standard black box now, but, if you order one it won't >ship > >until next week at the earliest, I ran out of the IR windows and ordered >a > >bunch this morning from Mouser. Hopefully they will arrive before I leave > >on business again. If they don't then it won't ship until the week after > >that. > > > > Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote > >receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a > >report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces > >to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck > >using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a > >bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off > >from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify > >the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off >the > >power. > > > > The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't > >figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn > >off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared > >receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport > >controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and > >then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe >that > >playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. > > > > SJ > > > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > >Scott, > > > >How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress >:-) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. > >http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don�t quit your job � Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. >Start Today! >http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Don�t quit your job � Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 From jamiep8 at msn.com Sat Apr 28 07:16:15 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:16:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070425140707.0088ab90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I was wondering if you could help me out. I own 2 Nakamichi 480 cassette decks, both of which make wonderful recordings. One of them produces recordings that sound great in my car deck, an Alpine 7525, while the other one only produces recordings that sound great when played back, but not when played on the other 480, or my car deck. I've thought about playing a tape recorded on the "good" 480, on the "not so good" 480, and adjusting the azimuth as it plays, so as to make these decks compatible with each other, and to make both of them compatible with my car deck. Can I successfully do this by ear? Should I even attempt to do this by ear? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:07:07 -0500 > >These were lamps that I used to sub with the Nakamichi parts, because Nak >lamps were the least expensive.Brightness and size will be exact. > I will double check availability for Sony, JVC and Sharp. > >tom brucker > >At 03:16 PM 4/25/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Hi, Tom: > > > >Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # B8552 >(12v, 25mA). > > > >However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't seem >to >find the Sharp or Sony parts. > > > > > >Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. > > > > > >I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics on >it. > This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright or >hot. > > > > > >As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio >Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a >good fit. > > > > > >If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go with >that. > > > > > >Thanks again, > > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i�m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Apr 28 07:36:17 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:36:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Message-ID: My dear Shaun, Yes...I'm extremely happy for you, that you "Rediscovered" the magic of "Vinyl"...I completely agreed with your statement!!! However...please change your cartridge, because "Don't match 100% the Sme Series 2 Improved arm mass" (Hoping that you own NOT the fixed shell?). If you own the "Fixed" shell...leave the cartridge, & change only the needle/stilly for a better one 30FL...which use a better stilly profile...helping you to guard your precious Vinyl collection. Also...I'm 1005 sure that the "Rubber Damping' inside your old 20E needle it's damaged/aged...cleaning yhe "Tip" NOT help. Happy listening, Alex! From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:43:11 +0100Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 I purchased my BX-300 about 18 mths ago from the States at a premium price of $200. I had it serviced at B & W and gear upgraded at a cost of approx £140. So far I have been very, very pleased with the reproduction of my mostly home made cassettes from the 70's and 80's. I recently replaced my Philips CD 104 with an Arcam CD72 and again, feel that the upgrade was a worthwhile improvement over the aged Philips. Over the last few years (well, about ten actually) I have let my old turntable rest on it's laurels, virtually in retirement as I had become lazy and had decided to give CD a chance to catch up as the medium matured. Well a couple of days ago I took my turntable, a Thorens TD125 with a SME 3009 Series II improved tonearm and Ortofon VMS 20E cartridge, into my local hi-fi shop (MD Audio Visual in Christchurch, Dorset) to have it serviced prior to winding it up again, just to see how it sounded. It needed a new belt and the the phono plug on the lead from the tone arm needed re soldering. The motor and spindle were lubricated and the stylus thoroughly cleaned. Oh yes, the thumbwheel on the anti skate assembly had vanished so a new assembly had to be ordered from SME. Total cost was parts £25 and labour £10. I consider that to be reasonable beyond expectation. When I got home I hooked it up and quickly grabbed one of the only two albums lying around that had escaped being stored. It was Rock Follies, the songs from the BBC TV series made in 1976 written by Andy Mackay (who also played saxes). I dropped the stylus gently onto the first track, turned up the volume a bit and waited for the result. I was dumb founded; no, more like sent into a state of shock. What I heard was music, sweet music like I had not heard for years. I sat down and listened. Everything that I had tried to correct on the reproduction from the CD player, lack of bass, unlifelike musical reproduction of many instruments, was suddenly there in spades. Ray Russell's guitar solos growled like they should and Andy Mackay's sax had all the bite and raspy leading edges that I am so used to hearing live. The bass guitar dug deep and with plenty of drive, as it should do with rock music. All of this without ever sounding harsh or tiring to listen to. It just sounded right. Next I dug out my otherquickly available LP; Hans Vollenweider playing Bach Organ Music on the organ of the Grossmunster Zurich. It was a revelation. I had forgotten how good that old HMV Concert Classic Series LP was. Very close to real live organ too. And believe you me, I live close to the Christchurch Priory which has a wonderful fully restored organ to which I have been to listen on many occassions and am fully aware of how a full church organ sounds. I have some excellent CD's of Peter Hurford playing Bach Organ pieces at different venues, including the 10000 pipe organ at the Sydney Opera House, and brilliant as they are, they do not compare sonically with this 1960 vinyl recording. I have enjoyed this evenings music in a way that I have not done for a long time and I cannot stop smiling. Furthermore I am very glad that I did not sell off my LP collection when I started to invest in CD. The question now is, is my BX-300 up to the task of making faithfull recordings onto my supply of TDK-SA cassettes that the machine has now been specifically set up for? Up to now I have only used it for replay. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: 28 April 2007 02:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] ST-7 You are absolutely correct Scott. I have access to 16 different stations. >From: Scott Johnson >To: mark8559 at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: FW: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) > >You should have 16 station presets. Use the "0" button to do a SHIFT 9-16 >to access the other 8 memories. The "0" button will toggle between SHIFT >On and Off. > > SJ > >Mark Exstedt wrote: > I received the ST-7 remote transmitter some 2 weeks ago. I hooked it up >and >notice I had 8 radio stations at the control of my hand held remote. The >Sony vcr code I had programmed in my universal remote for my Nakamichi >cassette deck remote transmitter also worked for my Nakamichi ST-7 remote >transmitter. These 2 remote transmitters are a must for Nakamichi cassette >deck and Nakamichi ST-7 tuner fans. > > > >From: Scott Johnson > > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ST-7 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The ST-7 remote is pretty much done. I built the first one and sold it to > >Mark who has been using it. It's listed on my web site > >http://www.nakremotes.com/ST-7_Remote.htm, but, not in that sexy little >HP > >case I showed people earlier. It's in the standard 2.6" x 2.6" x 1.1" box > >that my tape deck remotes are in using old tape deck remote PC boards >that > >were found to be incompatible with older nak decks. I did a run of ST-7 > >remote boards for the HP case, but, screwed it up. The board sat in the > >housing rotated 90 degrees. I recently got a new set of boards in that > >fixed that problem. I just haven't built one up yet. But anyway they are > >available in my standard black box now, but, if you order one it won't >ship > >until next week at the earliest, I ran out of the IR windows and ordered >a > >bunch this morning from Mouser. Hopefully they will arrive before I leave > >on business again. If they don't then it won't ship until the week after > >that. > > > > Also Robert Kent got the first of the new power control tape deck remote > >receivers for testing. It's not on my web site yet. I'm waiting for a > >report back from Robert on if he found any problems. This one interfaces > >to modified outlet strips (contains a relay) to switch power to the deck > >using the power button on the universal remote. I played around with it a > >bit before sending it out and it's cool. I can turn the power on and off > >from across the room. The other day I was thinking that I should modify > >the code to execute of "STOP" a half second before actually turning off >the > >power. > > > > The power control unit has a spare DIP switch inside and I haven't > >figured out what to do with it yet. Maybe a setting to automatically turn > >off the deck after 8 hours of inactivity (inactivity on the infrared > >receiver that is since I can't detect inactivity on the decks transport > >controls) or automatically turn on once a week, play for half an hour and > >then rewind and shut off. This could be useful for those that believe >that > >playing the deck periodically will prolong its life. > > > > SJ > > > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > >Scott, > > > >How's the ST-7 remote project going? Hopefully, it's still in progress >:-) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. > >http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t quit your job – Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. >Start Today! >http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cl assesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3 D866144 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t quit your job – Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cla ssesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D 866144 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Apr 28 12:43:46 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:43:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Transistor Diode In-Reply-To: <200704281000.l3SA0WAP008516@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Most likely is is a diode adjacent to a transistor with printing a little out of line. David On 28/4/07 8:00 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: [naktalk] transistor > To: Nakamichi Nakamichi > Message-ID: <814472.10073.qm at web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Guys, > On a schematic I see a transistor part # "1S2471" When I do a search on > Mouser it tells me it's a diode. What am I missing? > Thanks, Bob > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070427/32c008a2/atta > chment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Apr 28 12:51:00 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:51:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate hours Message-ID: I am getting desperate trying to correct the tape end shut off on my 550. The solenoid does not trigger to trip the stop control off, but the solenoid does click off on power off. I have replaced all the likely suspects and others from the circuit diagrams and operating descriptions. I have carefully checked the tracks and connections on the boards and all seem to be OK. It is probably something simple but it has me beat at the moment. Any Suggestions Please???? David T From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 28 14:50:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:50:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46334323.4030400@rcn.com> If you mark the current position of the head adjustment screw before disturbing it, there is no harm in trying. If you fail, you can always go back. OTOH, don't hope for anything but *some* improvement. There is no way your will achieve accurate adjustment by ear. -- Ron Michael Pisano wrote: > I was wondering if you could help me out. I own 2 Nakamichi 480 cassette > decks, both of which make wonderful recordings. One of them produces > recordings that sound great in my car deck, an Alpine 7525, while the > other one only produces recordings that sound great when played back, > but not when played on the other 480, or my car deck. I've thought about > playing a tape recorded on the "good" 480, on the "not so good" 480, and > adjusting the azimuth as it plays, so as to make these decks compatible > with each other, and to make both of them compatible with my car deck. > Can I successfully do this by ear? Should I even attempt to do this by > ear? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike > > >> From: Hi Tech >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps >> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:07:07 -0500 >> >> These were lamps that I used to sub with the Nakamichi parts, because Nak >> lamps were the least expensive.Brightness and size will be exact. >> I will double check availability for Sony, JVC and Sharp. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 03:16 PM 4/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >> > >> >Hi, Tom: >> > >> >Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # B8552 >> (12v, 25mA). >> > >> >However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't >> seem to >> find the Sharp or Sony parts. >> > >> > >> >Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. >> > >> > >> >I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics >> on it. >> This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright >> or hot. >> > >> > >> >As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio >> Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a >> good fit. >> > >> > >> >If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go >> with that. >> > >> > >> >Thanks again, >> > >> >*andy* >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 28 14:57:28 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:57:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate hours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463344B8.3060307@rcn.com> David Thompson wrote: > I am getting desperate trying to correct the tape end shut off on my 550. > The solenoid does not trigger to trip the stop control off, but the solenoid > does click off on power off. I have replaced all the likely suspects and > others from the circuit diagrams and operating descriptions. I have > carefully checked the tracks and connections on the boards and all seem to > be OK. > > It is probably something simple but it has me beat at the moment. > Any Suggestions Please???? Yes, isolate the fault. Based on the schematic, measure whether you are getting the trigger at it's originating point. If so, repeat, working forward along the path, until you find the point where the trigger disappears. Mass replacing of parts, in the hope of hitting the bad one, is hardly ever a good approach. -- Ron > > David T > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 28 13:59:25 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:59:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 Message-ID: I'm with you Gra', never more than 4. Perhaps the choice in Uk is a let down! Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Apr 28 14:47:53 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:47:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FOR ROLAND: My Thoughts On The BX-300. Message-ID: <042820071247.16094.46334279000DCB7100003EDE22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Roland: My impression of the BX-300 is that it is a GREAT deck. It does not have a couple of features that hard-core audiophiles may consider to be essential, but it is still a fantastic deck. A simply outstanding "meat and potatoes" 3-head deck. When I make recordings on my BX-300, I cannot tell the difference between the recording and the original source. It is my main all-round deck to use for books on tape and for rock and some jazz. Having said all of that, I will say that I also own a 682ZX. Now THIS is a deck that is truly impressive. The sound of the 682ZX seems much more "open", and it is easier to envision a complete stereo soundstage when you hear music with a lot of instruments in it, like classical or jazz. I don't know why people don't talk more about the 680 series decks. They are some of my favorite Nakamichis, and were truly state-of-the-art when they came round in the late 1970's / early 1980's. Built like absolute tanks, with truly brilliant performance and very advanced features. But in case you think my 682ZX has made me forget about my BX-300...remember...I just bought my SECOND BX-300 off of eBay! I can't go without my BX-300! (My first BX-300 is the one that started behaving strangely. I've talked about it here on NakTalk.) Those are the only two Nakamichi decks that I have had extensive experience with. But I plan to add some others to my stable! Cheers, *andy* From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 28 15:15:55 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:15:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) Message-ID: In the last 24 hours I have replaced all the Polypropylene caps (53 of them) on a 1000 ZXL. Why, well the left meter would zoom up and down with a crackling noise when recording, and the auto A.B.L.E function (and azimuth only) was not working at all. So what the heck, let's do it. Now the deck still plays as it did before but I'm certain it sounds better, perhaps due to the tighter tolerance Polystyrene Caps? Maybe. Ran auto A.B.L.E. and azimuth a few times and it works every time with a faster conclusion than it did before it stopped working in the first place. When recording, the meters are equal and steady which is an improvement. The only problem being that there is very little being recorded. Probably need to set the bias adjustment now, Any suggestions? Even though not yet finished, I'm ecstatic with the progress. Could I thank you guys for your assistance thus far, Bala, Tom, John G, Kannan & Ron. If you could only see me smile now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Apr 28 16:39:30 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:39:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] F.Y.I. NEW RX-505 ON EBAY ITEM# 140112591643 Message-ID: <46335CA2.1060004@marrscommunications.com> TEXAS FRED From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 17:45:47 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) Message-ID: <782782.80538.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The exclusive and elusive club of 1000ZXL lovers grows! Welcome Ben, and I am sure you know the pot of sonic gold was worth it. I know you have tirelessly pursued in greening the deck and have thought about it both awake and in sleep. The fruits are well earned, and with the 1000ZXL, the rewards are big. The problem you are having is due to the zero offsets on the playback and record amp. Make sure you have it adjusted as per the service manual. I had a problem in which my 1000ZXL stopped calibrating last night. Turned out, a bad op-amp (IC510) had prevented the auto azimuth from working and the auto-cal from proceeding. Regards, Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:15:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) In the last 24 hours I have replaced all the Polypropylene caps (53 of them) on a 1000 ZXL. Why, well the left meter would zoom up and down with a crackling noise when recording, and the auto A.B.L.E function (and azimuth only) was not working at all. So what the heck, let's do it. Now the deck still plays as it did before but I'm certain it sounds better, perhaps due to the tighter tolerance Polystyrene Caps? Maybe. Ran auto A.B.L.E. and azimuth a few times and it works every time with a faster conclusion than it did before it stopped working in the first place. When recording, the meters are equal and steady which is an improvement. The only problem being that there is very little being recorded. Probably need to set the bias adjustment now, Any suggestions? Even though not yet finished, I'm ecstatic with the progress. Could I thank you guys for your assistance thus far, Bala, Tom, John G, Kannan & Ron. If you could only see me smile now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 28 18:07:02 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:07:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) Message-ID: Bala, I'm looking through the digikey catalog trying to find some suitable connectors so I can remove the PB dolby PCB, (as I don't have the Extension Card M-9058 (DA090658A)), to allow access for the adjustments, Is there any easy way to avoid this? I guess step 2 of the electrical adjustments section in the manual is where to start? I may have to try and make a test unit also one day. Now Tom has repaired my T-100, I'll be able to progress further soon. Shame I don't have any gauges yet to get the mechanical alignments done. Still, we're on to this with the gauges project. Thanks Again. Keeping the (ZXL) Faith. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 19:17:34 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) Message-ID: <1297.68039.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ben, Put the deck on the side, with the metal side of the RAMM pcb bottom. Get the metal panel closest to the playback board off. This is done by removing the screws attaching it to the front panel, the bottom main pcb and the top cross bar. In order to flip the back panel down, remove the shoulder screw that acts as a hinge, the screws on either end and the center. The panel should be able to come off, and you have access to the playback dolby board! This also gives me very intimate contact with the connector pins which I clean with cotton buds and Caig ProGold. T100...nice. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:15:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (Almost) In the last 24 hours I have replaced all the Polypropylene caps (53 of them) on a 1000 ZXL. Why, well the left meter would zoom up and down with a crackling noise when recording, and the auto A.B.L.E function (and azimuth only) was not working at all. So what the heck, let's do it. Now the deck still plays as it did before but I'm certain it sounds better, perhaps due to the tighter tolerance Polystyrene Caps? Maybe. Ran auto A.B.L.E. and azimuth a few times and it works every time with a faster conclusion than it did before it stopped working in the first place. When recording, the meters are equal and steady which is an improvement. The only problem being that there is very little being recorded. Probably need to set the bias adjustment now, Any suggestions? Even though not yet finished, I'm ecstatic with the progress. Could I thank you guys for your assistance thus far, Bala, Tom, John G, Kannan & Ron. If you could only see me smile now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Apr 28 20:55:07 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:55:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Message-ID: Just noticed that all tapes recorded on the CR-7 which play very well on the CR-7 do not play well on other naks. On all other decks, the left channel is a lot lower than the right. Must be azimuth I would guess, Any views? Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 29 00:59:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070428225912.94540.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, What about the dragon? Thats should be like the CR7. Regards, Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Just noticed that all tapes recorded on the CR-7 which play very well on the CR-7 do not play well on other naks. On all other decks, the left channel is a lot lower than the right. Must be azimuth I would guess, Any views? Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Sun Apr 29 06:05:51 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:05:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps In-Reply-To: <46334323.4030400@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron: Thanks for the suggestion! I was actually able to correct my problem by adjusting the azimuth screw approximately one-half turn. Tapes now play back EXACTLY the same on both decks, and also on my car deck. My Nak 480's beat every other brand of deck I own/have tried. The clarity and stability are unmatched! Peace, Mike >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps >Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:50:43 -0400 > > >If you mark the current position of the head adjustment screw >before disturbing it, there is no harm in trying. If you fail, >you can always go back. > >OTOH, don't hope for anything but *some* improvement. There >is no way your will achieve accurate adjustment by ear. > >-- Ron > > >Michael Pisano wrote: >>I was wondering if you could help me out. I own 2 Nakamichi 480 cassette >>decks, both of which make wonderful recordings. One of them produces >>recordings that sound great in my car deck, an Alpine 7525, while the >>other one only produces recordings that sound great when played back, but >>not when played on the other 480, or my car deck. I've thought about >>playing a tape recorded on the "good" 480, on the "not so good" 480, and >>adjusting the azimuth as it plays, so as to make these decks compatible >>with each other, and to make both of them compatible with my car deck. Can >>I successfully do this by ear? Should I even attempt to do this by ear? >>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike >> >> >>>From: Hi Tech >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX Miniature Lamps >>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:07:07 -0500 >>> >>>These were lamps that I used to sub with the Nakamichi parts, because Nak >>>lamps were the least expensive.Brightness and size will be exact. >>> I will double check availability for Sony, JVC and Sharp. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>>At 03:16 PM 4/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>> > >>> >Hi, Tom: >>> > >>> >Thanks so much for the part substitutions for the Nakamichi lamp # >>>B8552 >>>(12v, 25mA). >>> > >>> >However, the JVC and Panasonic numbers are no longer valid. Can't seem >>>to >>>find the Sharp or Sony parts. >>> > >>> > >>> >Panasonic's replacement number is YEAL01193. >>> > >>> > >>> >I am a bit hesitant to order this because I can't get any specifics on >>>it. >>> This lamp is for the STOP button and I don't want it to be too bright >>>or hot. >>> > >>> > >>> >As for the 12v 60mA bulbs, I was actually able to get those from Radio >>>Shack, of all places! They are very small and look like they will be a >>>good fit. >>> > >>> > >>> >If I can get specs on the Panasonic bulb, it looks like I will go with >>>that. >>> > >>> > >>> >Thanks again, >>> > >>> >*andy* >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 08:18:53 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:18:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Message-ID: Ram, That was my first instinct - to play the tapes in the Dragon which will be ok. But no, it also has a lower left channel, maybe not so low as the other decks, difficult to be precise as the Dragon meters are less comprehensive than some decks. I need to give this some thought. Perhaps a tracking issue? The CR-7 had a service and new heads in 2002 @ Bowers and Wilkins and has not been overused since. Probably needs a return trip soon, But I'd like to sort this out myself. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The noise is caused by the reel motor, indicating that the machine is in need of some re-capping. This is something that is tedious and I wouldn't straightaway recommend it, but since the machine is having noise, this is becoming a necessity. The bulbs I have are not exactly the equivalents. They fit in there, and do give off a similiar brightness as the original ones. Another member has tracked down exact equivalents for Nak bulbs a few days ago. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:39:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Hi everyone. I have just come back into possession of my 1000 ZXL which has been sitting in my fiance's apartment in Korea while I've been out of the country for most of the last two years. It has received some repairs by a guy seven months ago who came highly recommended and has some experience with Naks and auto cal features. He cannabalized a part from something else to get the ABLE working (it was completely non-functional). (And Kimo, I DO remember that you'd like to know exactly what was used to accomplish that; as soon as I can find out, I'll let you know.) I arrived back in Korea a few days ago. I see the ABLE is now PARTLY functional. When I press the 'Run' button, the Azimuth button next to it flashes, as it should, and then the Bias lights at the top flash for a while, alternating between left and right but not going past that. It gets stuck there. On two occasions when I tried again, after the Bias buttons flashed the Level AND EQ lights all flashed together and nothing further happened. Can someone suggest where the problem might be? The other problem is noise. I don't yet have my interconnect cable so am listening through headphones. There is a constant buzzing noise, slightly audible before engaging Play, and VERY noticeable once the cassette is playing. The level of the buzz DOES NOT ALTER when the music changes volume; that is, if the music's LOUD you can just about drown out the buzz. MOST UNDESIRABLE, I'm sure you'll agree. When you FF or Rewind, the buzzing increases in speed. I have a service manual. If anyone is able to suggest where I need to investigate - and can even tell me the relevant page number on the manual so that I can identify the proper components - I would be very grateful. And Bala, regarding the lights you have in stock for this machine, some years ago a number of the lights on my ZXL were replaced (before I acquired it), but with dimmer lights; that is, they don't shine as strongly as the rest. The EQ lights and perhaps four others are involved. It was Stephen Sank who previously serviced the deck and informed me of this. If you have the correct replacements, I'd be keen to have them and would happily send you what you ask for them. In anticipation, many thanks for anyone who can help me. 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I would check the REC head height before anything else. -- Ron From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Apr 29 13:24:27 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:24:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 In-Reply-To: <200704281000.l3SA0WAP008516@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704281000.l3SA0WAP008516@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex / Shaun Alex if I understand you ..... you are saying Alex should replace the VMS 20 stylus with a '30 FL'. What is a 30FL ..... I ask because I need a new stylus for my Ortofon VMS30 and can only find unbranded replacements (albeit from a respected firm) ..... "The replacement stylus company" or something like that in Wales who have OEM replacements but I expect they are last of the line old stock at £40 ..... and you talk about aged damping polymers etc. So I have not know what to buy and began looking for a new stylus but one can't audition them these days so thats not a easy process either. Knowing what to buy secondhand isnt easy either if one cant get replacement styli or servicing (at a price I can afford guys!) So is the 30FL an updated Ortofon replacement stylus or ........ what? I recall te VMS cartridges were supposed to have 400 mf resistance to sound right ..... I never achieved that .... have you Alex? You know dont you that the 20 upgrades to the 30 by dint of the replacement styli ....? Thanks for your posts and dont let the off topikers get too agitated this neednt be a long thread! ian r PS. The weather here in Scotland's southern hills is an unprecedented 21 degrees ...... heavens its April but the garden is enjoying it so far and so am I Good Lord From: Alex Cozac Subject: RE: BX-300 My dear Shaun, Yes...I'm extremely happy for you, that you "Rediscovered" the magic of "Vinyl"...I completely agreed with your statement!!! However...please change your cartridge, because "Don't match 100% the Sme Series 2 Improved arm mass" (Hoping that you own NOT the fixed shell?). If you own the "Fixed" shell...leave the cartridge, & change only the needle/stilly for a better one 30FL...which use a better stilly profile...helping you to guard your precious Vinyl collection. Also...I'm 1005 sure that the "Rubber Damping' inside your old 20E needle it's damaged/aged...cleaning yhe "Tip" NOT help. Happy listening, Alex! From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 15:46:10 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:46:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) Message-ID: Well, I thought I'd clean the decks and reorganise everything on the racks etc. That's when I noticed the Input & Output wiring to the 1000 ZXL were the wrong way around - IDIOT. With my hands shaking, I swapped them and performed a short recording from the tuner....... FANTASTIC! The deck is recording very very well. Will have to try a few more sources, but this now resolves all outstanding issues with this deck and it runs perfectly. Lets hope it stays that way. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 15:48:39 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:48:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Message-ID: Thanks Ron, The deck is now on the bench awaiting investigation. As the levels are equal when played back on this deck, It may be that the record and playback heads are both equally misaligned wouldn't you think? I'll have a look. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Apr 29 16:13:46 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:13:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Message-ID: Dear Ian, Yes I own also a VMS30 MKll (Blue colour stylus front body) which use the "Fine Line" tip stylus shape whole cartridge, + with two newer model Super OM body,one "TP4" for my Technics SL-10 turntable & the normal one with screws with two 40 Stylus & one 30. Yes it's true that Ortofon need 400/500 mf but at that time Ortofon also released some type of pins 210 mf capacitor so with such add on capacitor the nominally mf was dropped to an a much lower/real capacitance, for mostly or the arms leads during the 70/80ties era! To my knowledge, exist there in UK an a Ortofon official representative. The Ortofon company still producing VMS Mkll new stylus, so I don't recommend you, my dear Ian, to buy some "Generic OEM ones...mostly from Switzerland or "Musunic" there in UK. Yes MUST buy fresher ones as stocked many years what you wrote aged damping/polymers is true. Maybe the VMS 20MKll was newer that the VMS 30MKll, but with Elliptical point instead the more expensive "Fine Line" one as the earlier 30Mkll. BTW...To your mail address can I send you some photos, that tomorrow I will make specially for you & already have the private mail address of Shaun, so for him it's OK Peace, Alex! > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:24:27 +0100> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: earthrite at gn.apc.org> Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20> > Hi Alex / Shaun> > Alex if I understand you ..... you are saying > Alex should replace the VMS 20 stylus with a '30 > FL'.> > What is a 30FL ..... I ask because I need a new > stylus for my Ortofon VMS30 and can only find > unbranded replacements (albeit from a respected > firm) ..... "The replacement stylus company" or > something like that in Wales who have OEM > replacements but I expect they are last of the > line old stock at £40 ..... and you talk about > aged damping polymers etc.> > So I have not know what to buy and began looking > for a new stylus but one can't audition them > these days so thats not a easy process either. > Knowing what to buy secondhand isnt easy either > if one cant get replacement styli or servicing > (at a price I can afford guys!)> > So is the 30FL an updated Ortofon replacement stylus or ........ what?> > I recall te VMS cartridges were supposed to have > 400 mf resistance to sound right ..... I never > achieved that .... have you Alex? You know dont > you that the 20 upgrades to the 30 by dint of the > replacement styli ....?> > Thanks for your posts and dont let the off > topikers get too agitated this neednt be a long > thread!> > ian r> > PS. The weather here in Scotland's southern hills > is an unprecedented 21 degrees ...... heavens its > April but the garden is enjoying it so far and so > am I> > Good Lord> > > > From: Alex Cozac > Subject: RE: BX-300> > My dear Shaun,> > Yes...I'm extremely happy for you, that you > "Rediscovered" the magic of "Vinyl"...I > completely agreed with your statement!!! > However...please change your cartridge, because > "Don't match 100% the Sme Series 2 Improved arm > mass" (Hoping that you own NOT the fixed shell?). > If you own the "Fixed" shell...leave the > cartridge, & change only the needle/stilly for a > better one 30FL...which use a better stilly > profile...helping you to guard your precious > Vinyl collection.> Also...I'm 1005 sure that the "Rubber Damping' > inside your old 20E needle it's > damaged/aged...cleaning yhe "Tip" NOT help.> > Happy listening,> > Alex!> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As the > levels are equal when played back on this deck, It may be that the > record and playback heads are both equally misaligned wouldn't you > think? Not necessarily. It could even be that the guide height is mis-adjusted. This would cause *some* loss in left channel volume even on this deck, but probably not enough to be noticeable. As I said, I'd check REC head first. If incorrect, I'd follow with PB head and guides. Good luck, -- Ron I'll have a look. > Best Regards, Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johngipps at aol.com Sun Apr 29 18:21:43 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 In-Reply-To: <200704291000.l3TA0MLu027870@zxe.naks.com> References: <200704291000.l3TA0MLu027870@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C958919BF43E0A-918-82C0@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ben If your CR-7 problem was just azimuth, I would expect the other decks to have roughly equal L & R signals that lacked high frequency detail when playing a tape made on your CR-7 - as they all seem to play back with weak L channel - I'd be more inclined to suspect that the CR-7 track alignment is out - do you have a track alignment tape? Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:55:07 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just noticed that all tapes recorded on the CR-7 which play very well on the CR-7 do not play well on other naks. On all other decks, the left channel is a lot lower than the right. Must be azimuth I would guess, Any views? Best Regards, Ben. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 29 19:31:17 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:31:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c78a84$34a233f0$7300a8c0@Shaun> I think this is the UK disributor/dealer: Henley Designs UK distribution of Audia Flight , Ortofon , Beyer Dynamic , Vienna Acoustics , Roksan and Van Den Hul in addition to distributing Pro-Ject in both the UK and Ireland. Company formerly known as Ortofon UK. Official homepage . Henley Designs Ltd., Unit 11 Moorbrook, Southmead Industrial Park, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 7HR. Tel : +44 1 235 511166. Fax : +44 1 235 511266. Email : info at henleydesigns.co.uk Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 29 April 2007 15:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Dear Ian, Yes I own also a VMS30 MKll (Blue colour stylus front body) which use the "Fine Line" tip stylus shape whole cartridge, + with two newer model Super OM body,one "TP4" for my Technics SL-10 turntable & the normal one with screws with two 40 Stylus & one 30. Yes it's true that Ortofon need 400/500 mf but at that time Ortofon also released some type of pins 210 mf capacitor so with such add on capacitor the nominally mf was dropped to an a much lower/real capacitance, for mostly or the arms leads during the 70/80ties era! To my knowledge, exist there in UK an a Ortofon official representative. The Ortofon company still producing VMS Mkll new stylus, so I don't recommend you, my dear Ian, to buy some "Generic OEM ones...mostly from Switzerland or "Musunic" there in UK. Yes MUST buy fresher ones as stocked many years what you wrote aged damping/polymers is true. Maybe the VMS 20MKll was newer that the VMS 30MKll, but with Elliptical point instead the more expensive "Fine Line" one as the earlier 30Mkll. BTW...To your mail address can I send you some photos, that tomorrow I will make specially for you & already have the private mail address of Shaun, so for him it's OK Peace, Alex! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 20:23:01 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:23:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 Message-ID: Hi John, No, I don't have the track alignment tape at the moment, I'm hunting for one though. I's there any way around not having the tape? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sun Apr 29 20:30:24 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:30:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82BAEBA1-124E-4973-804E-400BB7533C14@thegreatbear.net> wow.. that's devotion! Didn't that cost a lot? bit late now but I found this ebay store with some suitable values: http://stores.ebay.com/ComponentLand i wish i had a zxl to put some in! I'll check my other naks but I don't think they used that part... adrian On 27 Apr 2007, at 21:50, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > I am currently replacing caps in a 1000ZXL and it was quite a > challenge locating the replacements. > But in particular, I found it impossible to locate a Polypropylene > 620pF 100V J tolerance (5%) substitute. In order to overcome this, > I have placed an order for the manufacture of a batch with higher > spec's. > The spec's are as follows: > Polystyrene, Axial, 620pF, 160V, F Tolerance (1%). > Each ZXL utilises 4 of these on the Record Eq Amp PCB. > Should anyone else be considering a similar project, or if you just > want to stash them for the future, I would be happy to supply some > of the above as I will have some spares. > Sorry, Not trying to start a supply business at all, just trying to > be helpful. > Best Regards, Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 21:22:28 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. Message-ID: Hi Adrian, I was a fair cost, but Didn't want to compromise and wanted polystyrene. I can now share them out to others to get their decks in A1 shape. In fact due to the minimum order quantities from various suppliers, I have many spares of all farad values for future projects. If you want to save on postage and ordering in multiples of 10 or so, I may be able to help if you need any. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Apr 29 21:28:22 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:28:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. Message-ID: In a message dated 29/04/2007 19:38:20 GMT Standard Time, adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: http://stores.ebay.com/ComponentLand Adrian, This link is for the 300V mica caps from RS Componenents. Polypropylene or, better - polystyrene would be suitable replacements. The ZXL had 51 orange caps out of the 53 Polypropylene ones and a total of 405 caps in all! Keep searching for the ZXL, it is a wonderful deck. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Apr 29 23:04:08 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:04:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LOL! Well done, Ben - you're that much closer to Nirvana! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 29 April 2007 14:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) Well, I thought I'd clean the decks and reorganise everything on the racks etc. That's when I noticed the Input & Output wiring to the 1000 ZXL were the wrong way around - IDIOT. With my hands shaking, I swapped them and performed a short recording from the tuner....... FANTASTIC! The deck is recording very very well. Will have to try a few more sources, but this now resolves all outstanding issues with this deck and it runs perfectly. Lets hope it stays that way. Best Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clintmschd at aol.com Mon Apr 30 00:07:11 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:07:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. In-Reply-To: <82BAEBA1-124E-4973-804E-400BB7533C14@thegreatbear.net> References: <82BAEBA1-124E-4973-804E-400BB7533C14@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <8C958C1DEFA581C-11F4-1061B@webmail-dd02.sysops.aol.com> Hey, anyone out there need a Nak? Got 4 nice ones, 2 must go. clintmschd at aol.com 1-916-670-8535 -----Original Message----- From: adrian at thegreatbear.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Fan's - 620pF Capacitors. wow.. that's devotion! Didn't that cost a lot? bit late now but I found this ebay store with some suitable values: http://stores.ebay.com/ComponentLand i wish i had a zxl to put some in! I'll check my other naks but I don't think they used that part... adrian On 27 Apr 2007, at 21:50, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > I am currently replacing caps in a 1000ZXL and it was quite a > challenge locating the replacements. > But in particular, I found it impossible to locate a Polypropylene > 620pF 100V J tolerance (5%) substitute. In order to overcome this, > I have placed an order for the manufacture of a batch with higher > spec's. > The spec's are as follows: > Polystyrene, Axial, 620pF, 160V, F Tolerance (1%). > Each ZXL utilises 4 of these on the Record Eq Amp PCB. > Should anyone else be considering a similar project, or if you just > want to stash them for the future, I would be happy to supply some > of the above as I will have some spares. > Sorry, Not trying to start a supply business at all, just trying to > be helpful. > Best Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/> naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:31:17 +0100 I think this is the UK disributor/dealer: Henley Designs UK distribution of Audia Flight, Ortofon, Beyer Dynamic, Vienna Acoustics, Roksan and Van Den Hul in addition to distributing Pro-Ject in both the UK and Ireland. Company formerly known as Ortofon UK. Official homepage. Henley Designs Ltd., Unit 11 Moorbrook, Southmead Industrial Park, Didcot, Oxon, OX11 7HR.Tel : +44 1 235 511166. Fax : +44 1 235 511266. Email : info at henleydesigns.co.uk Shaun -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: 29 April 2007 15:14To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Dear Ian, Yes I own also a VMS30 MKll (Blue colour stylus front body) which use the "Fine Line" tip stylus shape whole cartridge, + with two newer model Super OM body,one "TP4" for my Technics SL-10 turntable & the normal one with screws with two 40 Stylus & one 30. Yes it's true that Ortofon need 400/500 mf but at that time Ortofon also released some type of pins 210 mf capacitor so with such add on capacitor the nominally mf was dropped to an a much lower/real capacitance, for mostly or the arms leads during the 70/80ties era! To my knowledge, exist there in UK an a Ortofon official representative. The Ortofon company still producing VMS Mkll new stylus, so I don't recommend you, my dear Ian, to buy some "Generic OEM ones...mostly from Switzerland or "Musunic" there in UK. Yes MUST buy fresher ones as stocked many years what you wrote aged damping/polymers is true. Maybe the VMS 20MKll was newer that the VMS 30MKll, but with Elliptical point instead the more expensive "Fine Line" one as the earlier 30Mkll. BTW...To your mail address can I send you some photos, that tomorrow I will make specially for you & already have the private mail address of Shaun, so for him it's OK Peace, Alex! _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked Scott what I could do to get a copy of the info on the FAQ page, and he kindly gave me this solution: "Why don't you google for it and when you find it hit the cached link." By doing this I was able to view (and save) a copy of the FAQ page. Thank goodness! I suggest you all do the same! TONS of good information on there! I e-mailed Scott again and asked him if he plans to put the FAQ page back up, but as of yet I haven't heard from him. Just thought I would let you folks know! Hopefully Scott isn't leaving Naks behind! *andy* From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 30 16:06:52 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:06:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: Hi Bernard, Like you I am a fan of the ZXL. When I got my first one 3 months ago, the level in the left channel was lower than the right during recording and it would zoom up and down if I adjusted the line input level slider for the left channel. In addition to this, calibration was sporadic. I researched many areas and asked lots of questions from all on this list. Bala and others helped enormously to pinpoint the issues. One piece of information you will quickly realise with the nakamichi decks of this era is that some of the capacitors employed, we now know are starting to fail. These are predominantly orange polypropylene capacitors. Out of the 405 capacitors in your machine, 53 are polypropylene and 51 of them are these orange type. A quote from Steven Sank previously submitted on this list reads: You should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of every last one of those orange film capacitors which number 51 in the 1000ZXL. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also sound better. Steven was an active member of this list up until about 18 months ago, and was well regarded by many. Anyway, I have just replaced these capacitors in my ZXL and all of the problems disappeared. It now works beautifully. Many would, and did, try to encourage me to just replace those that had failed, but in this instance, I decided to replace them all in order to rule out any with borderline performance that could have been causing other potential problems. I would certainly encourage you to consider these parts to be suspect and enquire if someone could test them for you. Good Luck. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the technique of adjusting Play Head Track in lieu of the Track Alignment Tape is simply to adjust the Play Head Head-Height Adjuster for maximum output on both channels when playing a test tape with the same (fairly high) level recorded on both channels. You could use a 400Hz Level Tape for this purpose (both channels 400Hz at 200nWb/m) - but frequencies a little higher work better. If you have a deck that you are sure is adjusted properly - make a recording on it at 0dB at somewhere in the 1kHz to 3kHz area (see what works best for you in terms of Track adjustment sensitivity). Use this tape to adjust the Playback Head Height on your CR-7. Before you touch the track adjuster - please mark its current position with a marking pen - just in case you want to back track. Correct track will give the highest playback readings. Adjust Track then Azimuth and repeat these two until both are correct. When you are confident that Play Head Track is correct, do Record Head Track. For this, record 400Hz 0dB on both channels, and adjust Record Head Track (Record Head Height) until the playback output is maximised for both channels - as on the Play adjustment, do Track then Azimuth for the Record Head and repeat in turn until both are correctly adjusted. Don't bother doing accurate record level and bias adjustments until these mechanical adjustments are completed. The above technique can be used on any Nakamichi two head or three head that has a Head Height adjuster - obviously on a two head deck (eg 480), you just do Playback Track. I haven't played with a CR-7 for ages, and there may be complications due to its automated calibration features. Please let me know how you get on, and if the above is confusing, my apologies - sometimes these things are easy enough to do, but very hard to explain in an email. Regards John Gipps Message: 8 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0400 From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Benstratford at aol.com Message-ID: <8C958919BF43E0A-918-82C0 at mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ben If your CR-7 problem was just azimuth, I would expect the other decks to have roughly equal L & R signals that lacked high frequency detail when playing a tape made on your CR-7 - as they all seem to play back with weak L channel - I'd be more inclined to suspect that the CR-7 track alignment is out - do you have a track alignment tape? Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:55:07 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just noticed that all tapes recorded on the CR-7 which play very well on the CR-7 do not play well on other naks. On all other decks, the left channel is a lot lower than the right. Must be azimuth I would guess, Any views? Best Regards, Ben. Message: 10 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:23:01 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi John, No, I don't have the track alignment tape at the moment, I'm hunting for one though. I's there any way around not having the tape? Best Regards, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 17:49:46 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <533808.72962.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bernard, Ok, that means you are going to enjoy the 1000ZXLs ability to reproduce the piano in full fidelity! And thats another beauty of the deck - you have a complete recording studio plus engineer inside that case! The toughest challenge to any reproduction machine is classical music and I have seen may machines fail miserably as they tend to sound compressed and lack the dynamics. Even reel to reels. However, the top breed of Naks will never let you down even on the most toughest passages. The only cranky thing is the RAMM system that might sometime get tricked during pianissimos.Another person who loves classical music and ZXLs is Kimo What I will do is guide your tech in diagnosing the various stages and he can trace the problems with the machine. After having fixed it, he can perhaps take the chance to replace the Film (orange) and electrolytic caps if he has the facilities to align the machine. From my experiences, it isn't that all problems are caused by these caps, although they are known to cause many types of mischief. I have fixed a few of these machines here in Singapore so I do not mind doing it. However postage will be a bear - and it may well be a general fault. So lets try to get it fixed within your current area first. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:16:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 19:42:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:42:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Won a Dragon parts deck Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430124252.0089d4d0@earthlink.net> I finally got a parts deck. Thanks to Jeff W for helping me find one. I need the play head, and this deck has a broken cassette holder. Are there any other NakTalkers that need parts? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 19:14:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:14:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430121437.0089c700@earthlink.net> Ben, Guide height and/or head height is out of adjustment. I fid it odd that it was serviced 2 years ago as these settings do not drift. Make a 400Hz calibration tape on your ZXL in a cheap cassette. Cut away the plastic around the pressure pad and remove the pad. Have a mirror shop make a small mirror that will fit in the cassette at 45 degrees allowing a direct view of the heads. This is a tape travelling viewer. Put it in your CR7. Note what happens in play. Look at both guides and note any tape curl or sideways skewing of the tape. If the guides are in line and seem to "hit" the tape in line with the cassette's own guides, then you have a head height problem. If there is tape curl and skewing, then you have a guide problem. Adjust only the guide that seem to have the most curl associated with it. While adjusting, the curl should decrease AND the 400Hz playback should even out. If you do not have Luis' cal tape, make an azimuth tape on the ZXL (use a calibrated section of the tape as it will have all the tones) or wait for the T100 to arrive. Adjust the play azimuth. Run the CR7 into the ZXL and monitor using the extra gain and ZXL meters. After setting playback, adjust the record head if needed. This is a poor man's method, but with the ZXL at hand you can arrive at a close alignment. tom brucker At 09:48 AM 4/29/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Thanks Ron, The deck is now on the bench awaiting investigation. As the levels are equal when played back on this deck, It may be that the record and playback heads are both equally misaligned wouldn't you think? I'll have a look. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 19:31:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:31:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: References: <731155.34753.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430123113.0089de20@earthlink.net> Bernard, There is a strong possibility that the buzzing symptom is what causes the bias ABLE to "bail". Bias is adjusted at -20VU, so the buzz interferes! I'll bet there is a power supply problem. The ZXL has some fairly heavy capacitors that could break their connections in shipping. Since you are in Korea.....many of us have wondered if there is a Japanese Nakamichi club. I know there is a McIntosh club that uses the orignial Macs, so there must be a Nak club. You may discover Nakamichi service in Japan, or even in Korea. tom brucker At 08:16 PM 4/30/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 30 19:02:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:02:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430120213.00894960@earthlink.net> Ben, Sometimes I wish I could see as well as I hear. Your Florida ZXL is in mint condition, and packed extrremely well. As I understand it you purchased it in broken condition. The erase oscillator is not functioning, and may be the only problem. I would leave positive feedback. tom brucker At 09:46 AM 4/29/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Well, I thought I'd clean the decks and reorganise everything on the racks etc. That's when I noticed the Input & Output wiring to the 1000 ZXL were the wrong way around - IDIOT. With my hands shaking, I swapped them and performed a short recording from the tuner....... FANTASTIC! The deck is recording very very well. Will have to try a few more sources, but this now resolves all outstanding issues with this deck and it runs perfectly. Lets hope it stays that way. Best Regards, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bob31411 at msn.com Mon Apr 30 21:33:16 2007 From: bob31411 at msn.com (ROBERT CRABTREE) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:33:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 2 Problem - Won't Play Message-ID: Hello, I am new to the group. Have been watching the messages for about a week or so, and have checked out some of the archives trying to learn some you Nakee's lingo. I recently acquired ($10) a Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2. Also got a functioning CD Player 3 and Receiver 2, each for $10. Not a bad deal. Anyway, I have two problems. 1. Need a remote control for the Receiver 2 2. The cassette deck does not play. It has FF and REW, however when I press play, the head loads as if it wants to play, but no capstan motion. The belt is fine. I appears that the drive motor for the capstan is just turning too slow. (I took the tape mech out so I could look at it more closely) The unit is strapped for 120v 60HZ, so I am reasonably sure that the voltage setting is strapped correctly. Bad Motor? Bad motor drive circuitry? Take up reel will turn correctly with no tape installed. Two questions: 1. Is this a known problem with a deck this old? 2. Is there a fix for this, or is it totaled? Thanks. I hope these aren't stupid questions. I have been searching the web for a couple weeks now and then found your group. Bobby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tapes do sound great on the deck which it has recorded itself, but not on the other decks. Will let you know how it progresses. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Apr 30 22:09:03 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:09:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX - Shy Level Meters Message-ID: Just plugged in the latest and LAST (So I'm told) acquisition. A vey nice deck with low mileage and one careful owner!!??!! Aren't they all. This one at first try functions well in every respect except, the level meters come on when powered up and after about 1 minute, they go off. It may be my imagination, but they seem to come back on whenever I don't look at them. When I do they go off again. My first thought is Caps again, anyone else seen this one? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Apr 30 22:04:42 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:04:42 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 References: Message-ID: <001701c78b62$cb102fc0$80a3ed7d@tec> Down here in NZ you can only get generic ones. I had to get a generic VMS20 type and slightly alter the mount to fit it onto a M20FL model, which was the predecessor to the VMS30. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Dear Ian, Yes I own also a VMS30 MKll (Blue colour stylus front body) which use the "Fine Line" tip stylus shape whole cartridge, + with two newer model Super OM body,one "TP4" for my Technics SL-10 turntable & the normal one with screws with two 40 Stylus & one 30. Yes it's true that Ortofon need 400/500 mf but at that time Ortofon also released some type of pins 210 mf capacitor so with such add on capacitor the nominally mf was dropped to an a much lower/real capacitance, for mostly or the arms leads during the 70/80ties era! To my knowledge, exist there in UK an a Ortofon official representative. The Ortofon company still producing VMS Mkll new stylus, so I don't recommend you, my dear Ian, to buy some "Generic OEM ones...mostly from Switzerland or "Musunic" there in UK. Yes MUST buy fresher ones as stocked many years what you wrote aged damping/polymers is true. Maybe the VMS 20MKll was newer that the VMS 30MKll, but with Elliptical point instead the more expensive "Fine Line" one as the earlier 30Mkll. BTW...To your mail address can I send you some photos, that tomorrow I will make specially for you & already have the private mail address of Shaun, so for him it's OK Peace, Alex! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:24:27 +0100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: earthrite at gn.apc.org > Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 > > Hi Alex / Shaun > > Alex if I understand you ..... you are saying > Alex should replace the VMS 20 stylus with a '30 > FL'. > > What is a 30FL ..... I ask because I need a new > stylus for my Ortofon VMS30 and can only find > unbranded replacements (albeit from a respected > firm) ..... "The replacement stylus company" or > something like that in Wales who have OEM > replacements but I expect they are last of the > line old stock at £40 ..... and you talk about > aged damping polymers etc. > > So I have not know what to buy and began looking > for a new stylus but one can't audition them > these days so thats not a easy process either. > Knowing what to buy secondhand isnt easy either > if one cant get replacement styli or servicing > (at a price I can afford guys!) > > So is the 30FL an updated Ortofon replacement stylus or ........ what? > > I recall te VMS cartridges were supposed to have > 400 mf resistance to sound right ..... I never > achieved that .... have you Alex? You know dont > you that the 20 upgrades to the 30 by dint of the > replacement styli ....? > > Thanks for your posts and dont let the off > topikers get too agitated this neednt be a long > thread! > > ian r > > PS. The weather here in Scotland's southern hills > is an unprecedented 21 degrees ...... heavens its > April but the garden is enjoying it so far and so > am I > > Good Lord > > > > From: Alex Cozac > Subject: RE: BX-300 > > My dear Shaun, > > Yes...I'm extremely happy for you, that you > "Rediscovered" the magic of "Vinyl"...I > completely agreed with your statement!!! > However...please change your cartridge, because > "Don't match 100% the Sme Series 2 Improved arm > mass" (Hoping that you own NOT the fixed shell?). > If you own the "Fixed" shell...leave the > cartridge, & change only the needle/stilly for a > better one 30FL...which use a better stilly > profile...helping you to guard your precious > Vinyl collection. > Also...I'm 1005 sure that the "Rubber Damping' > inside your old 20E needle it's > damaged/aged...cleaning yhe "Tip" NOT help. > > Happy listening, > > Alex! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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WAY TOO SMALL! I knew they would be a good bit smaller, but these are fairly MICROSCOPIC, and I don't like the insulated leads. SO....I decided that I'd rather take my chances with the 12v 35mA lamps I was able to get from a local stereo repair shop. The bastards SOAKED me for _$15_ (plus sales tax) for just FOUR of those lamps! But they are the same size as the original Nak lamps, and I think they will look pretty much the same when lit. QUESTION: Will the 35mA rating make a difference? I'm using one in the auto shut-off circuit, and a couple more in two of the function keys (Pause, Stop). Any info will be MUCH appreciated! *andy* From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 23:41:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Won a Dragon parts deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <562189.84036.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Dragon thats a wreck in the head department. I need the front cassette cover( Mr. Sank never returned that one) and also need the head assembly. I shall however send it to Tom when he is done with my 680zx and rx505. Thanks Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM May need the head fixings for his deck? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 00:21:34 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Aiwa and Nakamichi In-Reply-To: <789392.18857.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Different heads though. There was a period when Aiwa car stereos used the Nak mechanism...with a different head. I wonder if there existed a family relationship between Aiwa and Nakamichi?? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands There you go! Alex, you made valid point about the ZXL being more difficult to bring to factory spec. On the outset, what looks like a complex brew of parts, its actually shares many similar components to the other Nak decks. The unique parts are the computers which are based on a very reliable microprocessor. This same processor also powers the logics of the Aiwa AD- F990 / FF90, 6700 and 6900 family of decks among others. I've had a F990 for 24 years and not a spot of trouble. From my experience in working with Nak decks, they are all built to a certain standard of reliability. They are all Nakamichis! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:54:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hello Folks! Again I write why I hear during 1984, when I was a little bit more "Younger'...with better hears of course...Je...Je...Je...! Now to point...I was delighted to compare side by side a new Dragon versus a 1000ZXL...we took one same cassettes from the same 12 units box TDK SA-X 100 minutes...once we recorded side "A" with the 1000ZXL after that using the same interconnects we kook up the Dragon & record side "B"...same source of course!. After so...we (half dozen "Audiophiles" mad's), after finish an lovely dinner & after a few cups of Green tea...we sit to hear both decks...playback of course...!. So...to MY hears...definitively I can assure to all of you...that the 1000ZXL SOUND BETTER...FULLEST SOUND...that the Dragon. Of course...IF...& ONLY IF...you never hear both side by side...a Dragon can be 100% providing an a superb quality sound. It's 100% comprehended that BOTH units MUST be 100% calibrated, and during 1984 those units were...today it's sadly "ANOTHER" issue. 1000ZXL it's "HARD" to bring again 100% calibrated at the same level...when the unit leave the factory...or was possible to be returned to the "Factory"...(Expensive but the "Best" possible!), to be repaired & calibrated like "NEW"...today only a very few of you can bring back the "Collector" deck 1000ZXL normal one or the "Golden" one to the same standards or better that was possible during 1984. But during "Meantime"...the Dragon can be do it as right today it's possible to obtain originally spare parts. which seems me that is extremely important...or I'm wrong?. I say it! ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:22:59 +0100 > > Ron, > > It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential > or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. Expectation is simply not a > sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so. > > If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have because it > satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different > matter. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 21 July 2007 21:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The > panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of > young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran > two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the > same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to > 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch > set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set > to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully > > ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. See them now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 00:21:58 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:21:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I daresay in sales volume, the Dragon is easiest to own because it sold the best. Is there a worldwide sales summary by volume? Of the top decks, I would estimate sales from most to least as follows: Dragon 682ZX MR1/BX300 *perhaps #1 or 2 ? 680 ZX7 700II/1000II CR7 582 .... in no particular order: ZX9 1000ZXL 700ZXE,ZXL Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 00:22:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:22:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A25FDE.6010807@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I would also like to put in a shamless plug for alignment! When a review places one deck ahead of another, the "wild card" is how closely calibrated are the decks? The adjustable Naks have an advantage in Dolby over any non-adjustable deck, UNLESS the other deck is properly aligned. I rarely service any deck that doesn't benefit from a bit of tweaking, naks included. It would be a shame to pass up a beautiful deck based on some past listening experience through a misaligned deck. High end stereo reviews often received manufacturers' replies along the lines of "it must have had a problem, 'it must not have been broken in, ' It was used with the wrong cables.." all to obscure a bad review. Cassette deck reviews unfortunately can be disputed for much more tangible reasons. I will admit to a certain amount of "technical bias". Being interested in Nakamichi engineering I like many, rationalize that the automatic ZXL or the fully manual ZX7 "ought" to sound better than the 482, but does it really? During my first weeks on Naktalk a series of posts extolling the 600 (not II) for its sound caught my attention. While not a technical "whiz-bang" the 600 is a simple deck with a profound sound. The 600, however, isn't on anyone's top 10 list. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply again I would have not posted this message. About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice side so I love it. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Popular Naks are: > > 1. Dragon > 2. CR-7 > 3. ZX-9 > 4. 1000ZXL Limited > 5. DR-2 > 6. 1000 > 7. RX-505 > 8. DR-1 > 9. 682ZX > 10. CR-2 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nik_martinov at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 01:10:58 2007 From: nik_martinov at hotmail.com (Nik Martinov) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:10:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-1 for sale Message-ID: I decided to sell my DR-1. It is in mint condition and comes with the owner's manual. The unit has had around 25 tapes through it and one recording. Perefect in every respect. Everything works as it should. I do not have the original box but it will be very carefully packed and will arrive in perfect shape. $500 is the cost of the unit, plus shipping via a shipper of your choice, plus paypal's 3%. Or MO/Personal Check to save the 3%. Let me know if you are interested. Thanks, Nik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:06:13 2007 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (MARK BATES) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:06:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What lubrcants should I use for my NAK ZX-7 LX-5 and 582 Message-ID: What lubricants should I use and where. I have just got to the capstam belt and need to go 1 level deeper to replace the other belts. . Also, do any of the motors need to be lubricated? Any help will be appreciated Thanks, Mark _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Aug 1 14:03:52 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:03:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: Message-ID: <005901c7d434$074a82a0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> I don't know about the Dragon being the easiest to own.. certainly there are plenty available, but demand keeps the prices up, so buy in price is high. In terms of model life, the Dragon was certainly one of the longest lived. I guess that longevity was partly due to the package being 'right' for it's target market which in turn breeds success and long model run. The Dragon initially appealed to those who had plenty of money and wanted a cassette deck that was very whizzy ( High button count and good meters), the fast food convenience of auto reverse playback to impress people ( recording didn't matter) and it had an impressive name.. from that the Urban legend that is now "Nakamichi Dragon" was born. The Dragon package was also easily accomodated within a home.. the 700/1000 series are not. The Dragon was aimed at the well heeled enthusiast, and succeeded admirably, and is valid to this day. As said, it would be very interesting to know the real sales volumes of Nakamichi cassette decks.. and I would almost put money on it being the BX100/125/150 range in terms of total units built, but of the top decks I would concur with Tom's list below except I would move the ZX-7 up to second place. To harp on the Dragon vs ZXL debate a little bit further.. these were decks for different target markets so to 'fight' over which is the superior is pointless.The Dragon was aimed at the audio Enthusiast, the 1000ZXL was aimed at the Audiophile.. a different species...Similarly, with their turntable, the Dragon CT and the TX1000.. different demographic purchasers. >From my experience here, those that like convenience are in the Dragon camp.. the hardcore are in the ZX7/9, CR-7, ZXL camp and never the twain seem to want to meet! The rest of us will no doubt just get on with it and enjoy the music! Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands I daresay in sales volume, the Dragon is easiest to own because it sold the best. Is there a worldwide sales summary by volume? Of the top decks, I would estimate sales from most to least as follows: Dragon 682ZX MR1/BX300 *perhaps #1 or 2 ? 680 ZX7 700II/1000II CR7 582 .... in no particular order: ZX9 1000ZXL 700ZXE,ZXL Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 1 14:11:54 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:11:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B0788A.5000101@xs4all.nl> I saw posts again on the nak vs others mail. They will be allowed but keep it 'positive'. Those attacking other members WILL be banned from now on, something people asked me about if that happened to them when they didn't receive any mail, well it never happened (ok once) until now. So there is a zero tolerance regime from now on, watch your step and keep it FRIENDLY! Wouter From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Aug 1 14:27:39 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:27:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: Message-ID: <006301c7d437$59707320$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Right on Tom..... A 482Z sounds different to a ZX-7.. not worse, and in some cases prefered ( different ears and hence appreciation), yet some would say that cannot be so.. Both the 600 and 600 II are on this person's top 10 list, because of their 'sound'... very appealing to me.( I have a great example of each, and several partially functional machines for restoration one day)., and similarly so the 500 and 580. The early Nak two headers had something special going for them.. lost a bit with the 480, but perhaps regained some ground with the 480Z, the last of the classic two headers ( excluding the RX-303). cheers, Martin ---- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > I would also like to put in a shamless plug for alignment! > When a review places one deck ahead of another, the "wild card" is how > closely calibrated are the decks? The adjustable Naks have an advantage in > Dolby over any non-adjustable deck, UNLESS the other deck is properly > aligned. I rarely service any deck that doesn't benefit from a bit of > tweaking, naks included. It would be a shame to pass up a beautiful deck > based on some past listening experience through a misaligned deck. > High end stereo reviews often received manufacturers' replies along the > lines of "it must have had a problem, 'it must not have been broken in, ' > It was used with the wrong cables.." all to obscure a bad review. > Cassette > deck reviews unfortunately can be disputed for much more tangible reasons. > I will admit to a certain amount of "technical bias". Being interested > in Nakamichi engineering I like many, rationalize that the automatic ZXL > or > the fully manual ZX7 "ought" to sound better than the 482, but does it > really? During my first weeks on Naktalk a series of posts extolling the > 600 > (not II) for its sound caught my attention. While not a technical > "whiz-bang" the 600 is a simple deck with a profound sound. The 600, > however, isn't on anyone's top 10 list. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:35 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply > again I would have not posted this message. > > About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you > handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over > again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message > (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought > I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. > To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, > while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice > side so I love it. > > Wouter > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> >> Popular Naks are: >> >> 1. Dragon >> 2. CR-7 >> 3. ZX-9 >> 4. 1000ZXL Limited >> 5. DR-2 >> 6. 1000 >> 7. RX-505 >> 8. DR-1 >> 9. 682ZX >> 10. CR-2 >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed Aug 1 14:28:31 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:28:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What lubrcants should I use for my NAK ZX-7 LX-5 and 582 References: Message-ID: <00c801c7d437$78bc13b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Mark 'Prolong' precision oil has been touted as very good for capstan lube & I can confirm the quality of vdH spindle oil in the same capacity [pricey but excellent quality]. I have also used the UK brand of rubber reconditioner on the idler tyres & pinch wheels [480Z& CR-3] with good results. Might be an idea to treat the motors with Deoxit [D5 or gold] ahead of their needing it to avoid the common failure issues rtelated to limited or non-use ? Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK BATES" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] What lubrcants should I use for my NAK ZX-7 LX-5 and 582 > What lubricants should I use and where. I have just got to the capstam > belt and need to go 1 level deeper to replace the other belts. . Also, do > any of the motors need to be lubricated? Any help will be appreciated > Thanks, > Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.11.0/929 - Release Date: 31/07/2007 17:26 > > From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Wed Aug 1 14:44:14 2007 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:44:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <005901c7d434$074a82a0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: I have lived with several of them, Dragon, ZX-9,7, CR-7A, I like the CR-7A best, which in my humble opinion is the most reliable, best value for money and the most useful. Recording is fool proof with the auto cal with azimuth alignment, I normally do not like any of this auto stuff on any thing, but the auto cal on the CR-7A, I have never bested it with manual settings. Playback of prerecorded tapes is near perfect with manual Azimuth. The dragon recording settings are manual and one needs considerable experience and experimentation to get the best settings for a particular tape. The CR-7 has a dedicated computer for recording parameter settings. The display meters look ancient on the Dragon, on the CR-7 they look modern even by todays standards. I do not miss the autoreverse or the NAAC of the Dragon (usuallly the first to fail). They are nice features but the added complexity and reliability issues associated with them make them expensive. I would trade them both for a well implemented auto cal, as it has more value for me. The wireless remote control on the CR-7 is another benefit in terms of value and usefulness. The Dragon and none of the other units have. They only drawbacks to Naks in general I find is durability compared to Revox and Tanberg. I have a Revox 215, this unit will last another 20-40 years without any repair. It is so well built. >From: "Martin & Karen Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:03:52 +1000 > > >I don't know about the Dragon being the easiest to own.. certainly there >are plenty available, but demand keeps the prices up, so buy in price is >high. In terms of model life, the Dragon was certainly one of the longest >lived. I guess that longevity was partly due to the package being 'right' >for it's target market which in turn breeds success and long model run. >The Dragon initially appealed to those who had plenty of money and wanted a >cassette deck that was very whizzy ( High button count and good meters), >the fast food convenience of auto reverse playback to impress people ( >recording didn't matter) and it had an impressive name.. from that the >Urban legend that is now "Nakamichi Dragon" was born. The Dragon package >was also easily accomodated within a home.. the 700/1000 series are not. >The Dragon was aimed at the well heeled enthusiast, and succeeded >admirably, and is valid to this day. > >As said, it would be very interesting to know the real sales volumes of >Nakamichi cassette decks.. and I would almost put money on it being the >BX100/125/150 range in terms of total units built, but of the top decks I >would concur with Tom's list below except I would move the ZX-7 up to >second place. > >To harp on the Dragon vs ZXL debate a little bit further.. these were decks >for different target markets so to 'fight' over which is the superior is >pointless.The Dragon was aimed at the audio Enthusiast, the 1000ZXL was >aimed at the Audiophile.. a different species...Similarly, with their >turntable, the Dragon CT and the TX1000.. different demographic purchasers. > >From my experience here, those that like convenience are in the Dragon >camp.. the hardcore are in the ZX7/9, CR-7, ZXL camp and never the twain >seem to want to meet! The rest of us will no doubt just get on with it and >enjoy the music! > >Cheers, > >Martin > >----- Original Message ----- > From: hitech at bellsouth.net > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:21 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > I daresay in sales volume, the Dragon is easiest to own because it sold >the best. Is there a worldwide sales summary by volume? Of the top decks, I >would estimate sales from most to least as follows: > Dragon > 682ZX > MR1/BX300 *perhaps #1 or 2 ? > 680 > ZX7 > 700II/1000II > CR7 > 582 > .... in no particular order: > ZX9 > 1000ZXL > 700ZXE,ZXL > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:34 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different >decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at >different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different >markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this >is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a >person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or >Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That >doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the >decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our >passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste >of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed >very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other >decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to >talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of >it. > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very >superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any >deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the >supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by >simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. >The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with >real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not >made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to >solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who >do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or >has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm >tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. >Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the >superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a >very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really >don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make >all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting >down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's >anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, >including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL >can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of >the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is >completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce >infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. >I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the >slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend >your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. >However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, >especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last >post and which you argued against. > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully >ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the >best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one >bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > Jeff W > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Aug 1 14:47:31 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:47:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help References: <200708011000.l71A05X4027062@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7d43a$206b8ee0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> OK, I confess, I have now joined the 1000ZXL club, thanks to some fortuitous timing and pricing. (I had forgotten how big these beasts are.) Anyway, the price reflected condition, and was bought as a 'not working' parts deck..though cosmetically VGC, figuring the transport and heads would be recoverable if it was totally U/S. It was dead in the shop, but when plugged in at home, the drive in the car must have reconnected something as I now have playback for 30 minutes or so from cold.. after which the LH channel starts to spit and fluctuate and then drop significantly in level with occasional spiking, so I daren't plug it in to my main system for fear of blowing a speaker or worse. As this is a repeatable event, must be related to a component failing once fully warmed up? The ABLE function is dead, and only have the 400hz cal tone on LH channel.. have yet to try a basic recording.. maybe this week end. I am currently sourcing service manual, but would appreciate some guidance and help off list (Bala??) to at least fully restore playback, if this is possible for someone as electronically illiterate as me to do. I have yet to find a good Tech here in Sydney, and failing that, might have to lug it back to NZ for repair. Any help and advice on this off list would be much appreciated. cheers, Martin From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 1 14:59:17 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:59:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help In-Reply-To: <008a01c7d43a$206b8ee0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <200708011000.l71A05X4027062@zxe.naks.com> <008a01c7d43a$206b8ee0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <46B083A5.1030602@xs4all.nl> Welcome to the 1000ZXL owners club! Bala has left Naktalk for now, so contact him directly for any ZXL questions you may have. Wouter Martin & Karen Short wrote: > OK, I confess, I have now joined the 1000ZXL club, thanks to some > fortuitous timing and pricing. (I had forgotten how big these beasts > are.) From lenaw at flash.net Wed Aug 1 15:02:26 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61729.37746.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With auto-calibration, you lose the creativity in recording ( of course this is my own opinion ). Autocalibration tries to make sure that everything is in line with what it is supposed to be. Sometimes, if you try to do a little under/over biasing a maunal calibration system might be more versatile. In the end it is all up to the preference of the user(s). For durability I mean you are talking about the construction of the deck(s). In general REVOX/STUDER and TANDBERG seem to put more emphasis on the materials in making their transport system compared with the Naks and sure they could be more durable but according to my past experience the TANDBERG is not reliable at all and very very difficult to service ( I own several of the top models of TANDBERG in the past ). Also their heads wore out much quicker than those of the Naks. Sure the TANDBERG has wonderful sound and I really like that kind of sound as well. Yes, the REVOX/STUDER are very well built. IMHO. Mike Jacob Maniyatte wrote: I have lived with several of them, Dragon, ZX-9,7, CR-7A, I like the CR-7A best, which in my humble opinion is the most reliable, best value for money and the most useful. Recording is fool proof with the auto cal with azimuth alignment, I normally do not like any of this auto stuff on any thing, but the auto cal on the CR-7A, I have never bested it with manual settings. Playback of prerecorded tapes is near perfect with manual Azimuth. The dragon recording settings are manual and one needs considerable experience and experimentation to get the best settings for a particular tape. The CR-7 has a dedicated computer for recording parameter settings. The display meters look ancient on the Dragon, on the CR-7 they look modern even by todays standards. I do not miss the autoreverse or the NAAC of the Dragon (usuallly the first to fail). They are nice features but the added complexity and reliability issues associated with them make them expensive. I would trade them both for a well implemented auto cal, as it has more value for me. The wireless remote control on the CR-7 is another benefit in terms of value and usefulness. The Dragon and none of the other units have. They only drawbacks to Naks in general I find is durability compared to Revox and Tanberg. I have a Revox 215, this unit will last another 20-40 years without any repair. It is so well built. >From: "Martin & Karen Short" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:03:52 +1000 > > >I don't know about the Dragon being the easiest to own.. certainly there >are plenty available, but demand keeps the prices up, so buy in price is >high. In terms of model life, the Dragon was certainly one of the longest >lived. I guess that longevity was partly due to the package being 'right' >for it's target market which in turn breeds success and long model run. >The Dragon initially appealed to those who had plenty of money and wanted a >cassette deck that was very whizzy ( High button count and good meters), >the fast food convenience of auto reverse playback to impress people ( >recording didn't matter) and it had an impressive name.. from that the >Urban legend that is now "Nakamichi Dragon" was born. The Dragon package >was also easily accomodated within a home.. the 700/1000 series are not. >The Dragon was aimed at the well heeled enthusiast, and succeeded >admirably, and is valid to this day. > >As said, it would be very interesting to know the real sales volumes of >Nakamichi cassette decks.. and I would almost put money on it being the >BX100/125/150 range in terms of total units built, but of the top decks I >would concur with Tom's list below except I would move the ZX-7 up to >second place. > >To harp on the Dragon vs ZXL debate a little bit further.. these were decks >for different target markets so to 'fight' over which is the superior is >pointless.The Dragon was aimed at the audio Enthusiast, the 1000ZXL was >aimed at the Audiophile.. a different species...Similarly, with their >turntable, the Dragon CT and the TX1000.. different demographic purchasers. > >From my experience here, those that like convenience are in the Dragon >camp.. the hardcore are in the ZX7/9, CR-7, ZXL camp and never the twain >seem to want to meet! The rest of us will no doubt just get on with it and >enjoy the music! > >Cheers, > >Martin > >----- Original Message ----- > From: hitech at bellsouth.net > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:21 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > I daresay in sales volume, the Dragon is easiest to own because it sold >the best. Is there a worldwide sales summary by volume? Of the top decks, I >would estimate sales from most to least as follows: > Dragon > 682ZX > MR1/BX300 *perhaps #1 or 2 ? > 680 > ZX7 > 700II/1000II > CR7 > 582 > .... in no particular order: > ZX9 > 1000ZXL > 700ZXE,ZXL > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:34 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different >decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at >different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different >markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this >is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a >person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or >Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That >doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the >decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our >passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste >of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed >very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other >decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to >talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of >it. > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very >superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any >deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the >supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by >simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. >The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with >real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not >made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to >solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who >do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or >has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm >tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. >Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the >superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a >very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really >don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make >all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting >down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's >anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, >including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL >can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of >the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is >completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce >infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. >I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the >slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend >your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. >However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, >especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last >post and which you argued against. > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully >ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the >best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one >bid against me! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 1 16:37:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:37:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk and measurements-feedback please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B09AA3.50203@rcn.com> hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > I caught a bit of an idea in a prior post, that measurements be used to > validate posts of subjective information. As a frequent poster of > measurements, I would like to hear some thoughts about what measurements > might be the most meaningful to NakTalkers? If I had a practical list I > could post measurements of the decks that come in for service. I presently > have a 700ZXL and a 1000ZXL here. What measurements might differentiate > these two, or validate their overall performance? Why not just the usual? Frequency response, THD, noise, W/F. For auto calibrating decks (CR-7 etc.), accuracy of the auto calibration vs. ideal would be nice, but maybe too time consuming to do. -- Ron > > I am envisioning a short list of measurements, as I am terribly behind in > my Nak repairs. > > tom > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 16:44:01 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:44:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars In-Reply-To: <46B0788A.5000101@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter and all NakTalkers: I did not realize the issue has resulted in casualties. From the 20th to the 23rd all my posts bounced, and after a week in Boston I resent the good ones. I did so out of ignorance that this thread had run towards the dark side. I spoke with John Nelson yesterday, and we discussed the "ZXL" club. For those of you who have , at some point, discovered a component or sound system which so altered your own perceptions of recorded sound, the proverbial "paradigm shift" which causes a new awareness of what is possible, know the High End phenomenon. Those with the means to buy the eponentially more expensive high end stereos may realize that the price for small increments of improvement is quite high. Those who are rational or have other values can seek opportunities to listen to the High End stuff without ownership. From the common person's point of view, pursuit of the High End is irrational and foolish; the sound of wires is the whipping post. A ZXL can be many things; a high cost for detailed improvements, a revelatory deck, a fool's investment, or a braggard's jewel. I want everyone who felt disrespected by another in this group to understand that your experience is no more valid, or invalid, than anothers'. NakTalk is a wonderful opportunity to share our experiences, but it is at its best when we disagree AND respect our individual opinions. What might help this situation is to ask yourself before SEND "am I just repeating myself?". tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars I saw posts again on the nak vs others mail. They will be allowed but keep it 'positive'. Those attacking other members WILL be banned from now on, something people asked me about if that happened to them when they didn't receive any mail, well it never happened (ok once) until now. So there is a zero tolerance regime from now on, watch your step and keep it FRIENDLY! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 1 17:11:40 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:11:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B0A2AC.10204@xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Your posts bounced because naktalk stopped to exist. It is because I started to get too many email from (quiet) members asking what had happened that I decided to try it one more time. Wouter hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Wouter and all NakTalkers: > I did not realize the issue has resulted in casualties. From the 20th to > the 23rd all my posts bounced, and after a week in Boston I resent the good > ones. I did so out of ignorance that this thread had run towards the dark > side. > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 1 17:16:52 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement In-Reply-To: <46ACC724.1080906@cox.net> Message-ID: <550007.41934.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, Does that mean when the dolby was off you had no noise? Bob Tim Barrett wrote: Norman - I replaced many of the 'orange caps' in my ZX-7 several years ago. Attached is an Excel file with a list that I made at the time. I didn't replace all of caps in the machine, but I did replace most of them. In my case, the symptom was crackling noises in one channel during recording, and the offending cap was on the dolby board. I don't think you can count on every ZX-7 having the exact same parts in them, so this list may not be comprehensive for your machine. Tim Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi, I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do someone has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps for a ZX7? What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? 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URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 1 18:30:19 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:30:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help Message-ID: <08BD4AD7-5744-45F3-8273-9FBEFF85C9BF@alumni.caltech.edu> Welcome from me as well. I'm not Bala, but I can give you some hints. I was able to work through a lot of issues one of mine had. I'm sure I didn't take the easiest way; patience, however, was the key item and proceeding slowly and methodically. Yours is hopefully easier because the boards aren't hard-wired in... First, as we've told others, you need to worry about the ABLE last, as it doesn't have a chance of working unless everything else works; in your case with the 400Hz oscillator and/or playback not working completely each in and of themselves would be sufficient, so start with those. The tricky part is you can't really record without the ABLE working unless there are values still stored in the memory (even if they aren't good ones there needs to be something--and I'd guess that's not the case here). For the 400Hz, the oscillator itself is OK because it's a mono oscillator that's fed as a single signal into the record Dolby board and split there onto both channels. Since it's not the oscillator itself, I'd deal with it later when you work on record stuff; basic playback at least you need to handle first. However, do you hear it on both channels in the headphones and just the meter is dead on on the right channel, or does it really not appear anywhere? If the transport is working and playback is cranky (and thermally sensitive) that shouldn't take too long to figure out. There's only one board that really should control that, plus, of course, issues with the playback head. The playback head probably isn't thermally sensitive (especially of the problem appears even if the deck sits for 30 minutes on but not playing and then still fails). The playback Dolby board (vertical one on the right) is the only one that should have a problem here, or possible the where the contacts from its socket go into the main PCB (the horizontal one it plugs in). I'd first verify that the problem isn't sensitive to just gently wiggling the board (bad socket contacts). If that doesn't help, then visually inspecting the bottom (main pcb) where it plugs in is next. If that shows nothing, I'd pull out that board, visually inspect it, and clean the contacts with deoxit (just in case). If none of those reveal anything, a can of freeze spray should help you isolate at least the area of the bad compnents on the playback board and/or at least verify that that's where it's at and it's not something I forgot elsewhere.-kby From koman56 at otenet.gr Wed Aug 1 17:48:59 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:48:59 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars plus opinions for CR-7 calibration In-Reply-To: <46B0A2AC.10204@xs4all.nl> References: <46B0A2AC.10204@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <46B0AB6B.5090109@otenet.gr> Hi Wouter I just returned from a10 day vacation and went through all naktalk posts... I am one of the "quiet" members myself asking you to keep up the forum alive...I know there are times that only few members are posting mails and sometimes things get wild with all different opinions back and forth but as Tom wisely suggests this is what is all about as long as we respect our individual opinions. As for myself i own 5 NAKs (including a CR-7E a Dragon and a RX - 505) and now that i do have some more time to spare i will start "shooting" questions that will help me bring up my beloved decks to the best possible working state....To start with and because i am sending my CR-7E to B&W (UK) for service, since here in Athens Greece there is no such thing (unless someone has any info about it!!!), i would like to hear opinions from members of the forum on what tapes should i ask the deck to be calibrated for, for optimum performance...(the deck is not with the gear upgrade but i have managed following the NAK bulletin NR-0056 to perform the modification of the record eq. with a trustworthy no NAk technician). In addition i would like to hear opinions on whether it is worth the price (or not) to perform the gear upgrade........ Any suggestions are welcomed but please be patient with me since i have no technical qualifications, i am just a NAK lover as many of this forum are! Thanking all for their inputs in advance Manos Athens Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Tom, > Your posts bounced because naktalk stopped to exist. > It is because I started to get too many email from (quiet) members > asking what had happened that I decided to try it one more time. > Wouter > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > >> Wouter and all NakTalkers: >> I did not realize the issue has resulted in casualties. From the >> 20th to >> the 23rd all my posts bounced, and after a week in Boston I resent >> the good >> ones. I did so out of ignorance that this thread had run towards the >> dark >> side. >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Aug 1 18:37:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:37:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 6:06:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: With auto-calibration, you lose the creativity in recording ( of course this is my own opinion ). Autocalibration tries to make sure that everything is in line with what it is supposed to be. Sometimes, if you try to do a little under/over biasing a maunal calibration system might be more versatile. In the end it is all up to the preference of the user(s). For durability I mean you are talking about the construction of the deck(s). In general REVOX/STUDER and TANDBERG seem to put more emphasis on the materials in making their transport system compared with the Naks and sure they could be more durable but according to my past experience the TANDBERG is not reliable at all and very very difficult to service ( I own several of the top models of TANDBERG in the past ). Also their heads wore out much quicker than those of the Naks. Sure the TANDBERG has wonderful sound and I really like that kind of sound as well. Yes, the REVOX/STUDER are very well built. IMHO. Mike Hi Mike, I totally agree with you about auto-calibration, at least up until now. Yesterday I blew my mad money on a 682ZX off Craigslist and I'm hoping to do some comparisons with my 680 to see if I can hear a real difference between auto and manual calibration. I haven't got the new deck set up yet - I've got to take one of my old decks out of my stereo cabinet just to get the new one in. Actually, I really need to sell some stuff as old decks are starting to fill the closets. Compulsive audiophile acquisition disorder. I bought a Nak AV-500 from a guy who told me, he has a rule, whenever he buys anouther piece of audio gear, he makes sure he sells one too. Have you ever noticed the W & F of the Revoxes and Tandberg? The specs are actually quite high. I used Revox equipment of various kinds at work in the 70's and 80's but I got rid of my last Revox, an A-770, about 3 years ago because I just couldn't live with the noise any more. They were just from a different age, when we all accepted a high noise floor as normal. Tom and maybe someone else has been talking about the Nak 600, which I also used back in the early days. It was built like a tank, and had a transport which could play tapes that other decks couldn't manage. Tapes were so much more badly made back then. But the 600 also had a very high noise floor. I understand how anyone can simply like the tone of their deck, apart from performance issues. I think most of the decks which people put forward as their favorite deck are ones which have a really nice tonal quality, and are not necessarily superior in performance specs. Hey, somebody said how much the loved their CR-1. My hat's off to them, with that attitude you'll save yourself a lot of money. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 20:44:12 2007 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My thought about Naktalk In-Reply-To: <46B0AB6B.5090109@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <124919.94224.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have been a member of Naktalk for a little over 4 yrs. I am not technical when it comes to the electronics, but I do enjoy the comments and fixes of those who are. I would like to post more, but I feel I do not have that much to contribute to the group other than my own experiences. I have gotten to know Tom Brucker through email and phone conversation quite well, and believe me this group is very lucky that he is here. My first Nak was a RX-202 that I acquired through ebay...typically it did not work well...and after $250 plus dollars (little did I know I could have bought 3 more for this price) got a functional deck back. Loved the sound but wanted to know more about 3 head recording and Playback. 12 decks later I have come to enjoy the unique sound that is Nakamichi as well as the uniqueness of the different decks that were produced. I have a rebuilt ESL ZX-7, a Sanktified ZX-7, 2 682zx's, 2 680zx's, 680, 660zx, 2 LX-5's, CD-1, Harman Kardon cd-491, and finally a Bruckerized Onkyo TA-2090. (Tom is currently performing his magic on my 680 and one of my LX-5's). Recording wise my favorite is the ZX-7. Nakamichi, ESL, and Steven Sank have done a marvelous job in true sound reproduction. I like Jazz and after calibrating and recording a tape made from a new CD nothing gives me more pleasure than playing it back on my various decks. Play back wise my 680zx is my favorite; it does something special to a tape after it has been recorded. The 682zx, LX-5, 660zx, and the TA-2090 come in next with no clear front runner. Next I would list, again in no particular order, the 680, CD-1, and the HK CD-491. I record with Maxell XLII mainly because it is readily available; I would like to use metal but we all know the story there. Thanks to everyone for their inputs and opinions regarding these wonderful machines. John Nelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 1 20:39:57 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:39:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: > Yesterday I blew my mad money on a 682ZX off Craigslist and I'm > hoping to do some > comparisons with my 680 to see if I can hear a real difference > between auto > and manual calibration. Looking at Wouter's pages, the 682zx appears to be partially auto- calibrating and, for the purposes of what Mike was talking about don't apply. It's auto-cal for the azimuth--I don't know how creative one wants to be with this; I suppose you could just not autocal, but OK, you can't get a specifically mismatched record azimuth very easily. It's auto-cal for level, but I assume it's like the 680zx so has separate record level controls; that's probably a better way to mismatch channels if you really want to. It's manual for bias, which is what Mike was talking about adjusting, and it has "fixed" (i.e. requires tools and skills the average user doesn't have) rec. EQ. I admit it's nice to know you can tweak things the way you want, but in practice most people don't use a cassette deck that way that I know of--at least not me. It doesn't seem like many people even take advantage of tweaking playback EQ which is documented, so I can't imagine MOST users even wanting to bother with tweaking the bias. 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It's auto-cal for level, but I assume it's like the 680zx so has separate record level controls; that's probably a better way to mismatch channels if you really want to. It's manual for bias, which is what Mike was talking about adjusting, and it has "fixed" (i.e. requires tools and skills the average user doesn't have) rec. EQ. I admit it's nice to know you can tweak things the way you want, but in practice most people don't use a cassette deck that way that I know of--at least not me. It doesn't seem like many people even take advantage of tweaking playback EQ which is documented, so I can't imagine MOST users even wanting to bother with tweaking the bias. When I used to want decks with adjustable bias it was to adjust it correctly for the tape being used, not to mis-adjust it deliberately. Just my 2 cents.-kby You're right about auto-cal. Thanks for straightening that out. Sometimes I've had to use either under-biasing or over-biasing (as judged by the reading from a 15K test tone) to get the results I wanted out of some kind of tape, though in my memory I think they were not the major tape brands, not Nak, Maxell, TDK, etc. Fuji, maybe, or something else I bought on sale somewhere. I'm assuming that if I ran test tones of other frequencies, (which I could from my 610) I would probably find the frequency which suited my ears for the bias setting, but I've never spent enough time doing that. It seems to me that the recording EQ should simply be the same as the playback EQ - isn't this so? If it's not, can you explain why? JW ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 1 23:55:51 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, John Nelson and I were talking yesterday about orange capacitor replacements. The 680 used capacitors that are a lighter orange than the high failure types, and I thought it worthwhile to explore whether a cap change might alter his 680's sound towards something less pleasing. Has anyone changed orange caps in a 580, 582, or 680 and not been happy with the sound? I'm especially interested in the midrange sound differences. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Yesterday I blew my mad money on a 682ZX off Craigslist and I'm hoping to do some comparisons with my 680 to see if I can hear a real difference between auto and manual calibration. Looking at Wouter's pages, the 682zx appears to be partially auto-calibrating and, for the purposes of what Mike was talking about don't apply. It's auto-cal for the azimuth--I don't know how creative one wants to be with this; I suppose you could just not autocal, but OK, you can't get a specifically mismatched record azimuth very easily. It's auto-cal for level, but I assume it's like the 680zx so has separate record level controls; that's probably a better way to mismatch channels if you really want to. It's manual for bias, which is what Mike was talking about adjusting, and it has "fixed" (i.e. requires tools and skills the average user doesn't have) rec. EQ. I admit it's nice to know you can tweak things the way you want, but in practice most people don't use a cassette deck that way that I know of--at least not me. It doesn't seem like many people even take advantage of tweaking playback EQ which is documented, so I can't imagine MOST users even wanting to bother with tweaking the bias. When I used to want decks with adjustable bias it was to adjust it correctly for the tape being used, not to mis-adjust it deliberately. Just my 2 cents.-kby From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 2 01:59:48 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:59:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 4:39:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: Jeff, John Nelson and I were talking yesterday about orange capacitor replacements. The 680 used capacitors that are a lighter orange than the high failure types, and I thought it worthwhile to explore whether a cap change might alter his 680's sound towards something less pleasing. Has anyone changed orange caps in a 580, 582, or 680 and not been happy with the sound? I'm especially interested in the midrange sound differences. tom Hi Tom, Well, I'm just about to find out. One of my 2 680's is malfunctioning - a tape transport issue. I took it over to Willy's, as I know he has the jigs to re-align the transport. I also asked him to change the bias oscillator orange caps. I have another 680 which is in pristine condition, and I'm going to do some serious listening when I get the first one back. Willy once warned me about the very issue you raised - maybe changing caps which haven't failed isn't a good idea as it might change the sound. We'll see. I too would be very interested to hear if anyone has had a negative experience with cap change. 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Thu Aug 2 04:13:40 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:13:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk and measurements- feedback please Message-ID: <8C9A2C1E07141BF-CDC-9D96@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom, ???? I would probably be most interested in speed accuracy/W+F measurements. I think just about all Naks will beat most other brand decks in freq. response providing the alignment/azimuth is correct, so I don't think that spec is all that important. Most older Naks only had Dolby B and you can get outboard processors for NR so I don't think S/N ratio would top my list either. If I had a wishlist, I wish Mean Time Before Belt Replacement (MTBBR) was a measurable spec. As I am discovering the hard way, proper belts are essential in most belt driven Naks to perform their best! So short answer: wow/flutter. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 2 04:53:50 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:53:50 -0700 Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: <77DECA99-9369-42CF-BEEB-1310DACC351C@alumni.caltech.edu> > It seems to me that the recording EQ should simply be the same as the > playback EQ - isn't this so? If it's not, can you explain why? Only for an "ideal" tape, if that. The recording EQ is the EQ that's applied so that when a flat input signal read off the tape has the designated "standardized" EQ applied, the result (remember the tape's response isn't flat) at the output jacks is flat. Thinking of it in a different way, if the rec EQ were the same as the playback EQ, then there would be no EQ adjustment at all for different batches of tape. What the EQ calibration does is try to figure out where the input signal has to be boosted or cut so that when the designated curve is applied on playback, things come out flat. It might not be possilbe, for example, to get flat response from both the boosted high end tapes (say Maxell XL-IIS) and their non-boosted versions (Maxell XL-II), for example--both are the same playback EQ of 70us (in the example I gave). The naks that do EQ adjustment cheat a little (maybe) in that they basically adjust for 70us playback EQ. If you then actually record at 120us playback EQ, then the deck shifts things by a standardized amount to compensate for the difference between 70us and 120us standardized playback EQ curves. In an ideal world this doesn't matter but the whole reason rec EQ adjustment is being done is because things aren't ideal. However, I suspect that this isn't really significant.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 2 05:25:30 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:25:30 EDT Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 8:02:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: The naks that do EQ adjustment cheat a little (maybe) in that they basically adjust for 70us playback EQ. If you then actually record at 120us playback EQ, then the deck shifts things by a standardized amount to compensate for the difference between 70us and 120us standardized playback EQ curves. In an ideal world this doesn't matter but the whole reason rec EQ adjustment is being done is because things aren't ideal. However, I suspect that this isn't really significant.-kby Pardon my ignorance of this subject, but the only Nak decks that perform this adjustment are the 1000ZXL and 700ZXL, right? The 682ZX, for instance, has the auto azimuth adjustment and the auto level calibration (the A & L of A.B.L.E.) and the 700ZXE has auto A & B & L but not EQ adjustment, right? I've never owned a ZXL, and am not real likely to do so unless I win the lottery, so I'm not really familiar with this feature in anything other than a general way. It seems to me that recording EQ adjustment was maybe an issue with early 70's type tapes and maybe even today with no-name brands, but once tapes got better in the late 80's its imporatance would have faded, which is probably why Nak abandoned it. Does this calibration require test tones of different frequencies? I myself have noticed in manual calibration of bias that different test tones can give different results, although I have generally simply compared the source to the tape if I thought that there was some bias issue happening. I actually like manual bias setting, for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post. Usually problems with bias are from using crap tapes, and you can avoid the problem most of the time just by using TDK or Maxell, although they offer types which are more or less "hot" which can be matched to whatever works best for an individual deck - again, comparing source to tape will give you a pretty good idea, with or without a test tone. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 2 06:09:43 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:09:43 -0700 Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: <345EAE63-5E2D-4258-9183-D34A38793F20@alumni.caltech.edu> > It seems to me that recording EQ adjustment was maybe an issue > with early > 70's type tapes and maybe even today with no-name brands, but once > tapes got > better in the late 80's its imporatance would have faded, which is > probably why > Nak abandoned it. Does this calibration require test tones of > different > frequencies? I myself have noticed in manual calibration of bias > that different > test tones can give different results, although I have generally > simply > compared the source to the tape if I thought that there was some > bias issue > happening. I actually like manual bias setting, for the reasons I > mentioned in > the previous post. Usually problems with bias are from using crap > tapes, and > you can avoid the problem most of the time just by using TDK or > Maxell, > although they offer types which are more or less "hot" which can > be matched to > whatever works best for an individual deck - again, comparing > source to tape will > give you a pretty good idea, with or without a test tone. > I hope Marc Hugo chimes in as he's better at answering this question. However, at a minimum even when dealing with TDK and Maxell, the -X and -S (respectively) tapes are supposed to have rising high end response, ostensibly to help lesser decks get flat response, relative to their non -X and -S suffixed brethren (i.e. TDK MA vs MA-X, Maxell MX vs MX-S, etc.) even if you don't want to get into the more debatable changes in the same "named" formulations over time or different batches, or differences between TDK & Maxell. I would think that a deck adjusted for one the -X or -S type tapes would not be properly adjusted relative to their non-suffixed siblings, and vice versa. I had my 700II adjusted for TDK-MA and UDXL- I at one point and didn't want to use MA-X or UDXL-IS when it came out for that reason. And yes, the 700 and 1000zxl decks are the ones I was thinking of.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Aug 2 06:25:50 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) In-Reply-To: <345EAE63-5E2D-4258-9183-D34A38793F20@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <614722.66271.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For non-Nak, take a look at the TEAC Z-5000/6000. Both of these two decks have manually adjustable B.L.E. for individual Left and Right Channels and so in theory it can calibrate any tape in the world to a ruler flat frequency response ( TYPE-I, II and IV ). Of course the TEAC lack the playback/record heads Azimuth adjustment "A" that the Naks have. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: It seems to me that recording EQ adjustment was maybe an issue with early 70's type tapes and maybe even today with no-name brands, but once tapes got better in the late 80's its imporatance would have faded, which is probably why Nak abandoned it. Does this calibration require test tones of different frequencies? I myself have noticed in manual calibration of bias that different test tones can give different results, although I have generally simply compared the source to the tape if I thought that there was some bias issue happening. I actually like manual bias setting, for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post. Usually problems with bias are from using crap tapes, and you can avoid the problem most of the time just by using TDK or Maxell, although they offer types which are more or less "hot" which can be matched to whatever works best for an individual deck - again, comparing source to tape will give you a pretty good idea, with or without a test tone. I hope Marc Hugo chimes in as he's better at answering this question. However, at a minimum even when dealing with TDK and Maxell, the -X and -S (respectively) tapes are supposed to have rising high end response, ostensibly to help lesser decks get flat response, relative to their non -X and -S suffixed brethren (i.e. TDK MA vs MA-X, Maxell MX vs MX-S, etc.) even if you don't want to get into the more debatable changes in the same "named" formulations over time or different batches, or differences between TDK & Maxell. I would think that a deck adjusted for one the -X or -S type tapes would not be properly adjusted relative to their non-suffixed siblings, and vice versa. I had my 700II adjusted for TDK-MA and UDXL-I at one point and didn't want to use MA-X or UDXL-IS when it came out for that reason. And yes, the 700 and 1000zxl decks are the ones I was thinking of.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 2 08:53:26 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:53:26 EDT Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 11:48:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: For non-Nak, take a look at the TEAC Z-5000/6000. Both of these two decks have manually adjustable B.L.E. for individual Left and Right Channels and so in theory it can calibrate any tape in the world to a ruler flat frequency response ( TYPE-I, II and IV ). Of course the TEAC lack the playback/record heads Azimuth adjustment "A" that the Naks have. Mike Hey Mike, Do these decks use multiple frequencies for the EQ calibration? JW ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Aug 2 12:45:29 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:45:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk and measurements-feedback please Message-ID: <8C9A30960D3A45A-7FC-B2C6@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Personally Tom I would?be interested in Frequency Response and Wow/Flutter to compare how they measure up to the claimed values. Best Regards, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Aug 2 14:09:19 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:09:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help References: <08BD4AD7-5744-45F3-8273-9FBEFF85C9BF@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <009201c7d4fd$f4a13b10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Kimo, Thanks for the advice, I'll have a good look at this over the week end, and definitely closely inspect the various board contacts. The level meter is fully functional on both channels, which is a relief, and playback is great for about 30 - 40 minutes ( through headphones) before the left channnel drops in level by about 10dB (on the decks meters), and starts spiking to max level with a sharp crack through the headphones, interspersed with occassional boughts of normality for a second or two. Because of the spiking, I haven't plugged the deck into my main system yet. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimo B. Yap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help > Welcome from me as well. > > I'm not Bala, but I can give you some hints. I was able to work through a > lot of issues one of mine had. I'm sure I didn't take > the easiest way; patience, however, was the key item and proceeding > slowly and methodically. Yours is hopefully easier because > the boards aren't hard-wired in... > > First, as we've told others, you need to worry about the ABLE last, as it > doesn't have a chance of working unless everything > else works; in your case with the 400Hz oscillator and/or playback not > working completely each in and of themselves would > be sufficient, so start with those. The tricky part is you can't really > record without the ABLE working unless there are values > still stored in the memory (even if they aren't good ones there needs to > be something--and I'd guess that's not the case here). > > For the 400Hz, the oscillator itself is OK because it's a mono oscillator > that's fed as a single signal into the record Dolby board > and split there onto both channels. Since it's not the oscillator itself, > I'd deal with it later when you work on record stuff; basic > playback at least you need to handle first. However, do you hear it on > both channels in the headphones and just the meter is dead on > on the right channel, or does it really not appear anywhere? > > If the transport is working and playback is cranky (and thermally > sensitive) that shouldn't take too long to figure out. There's only one > board that > really should control that, plus, of course, issues with the playback > head. The playback head probably isn't thermally sensitive (especially of > the > problem appears even if the deck sits for 30 minutes on but not playing > and then still fails). The playback Dolby board (vertical one on the > right) > is the only one that should have a problem here, or possible the where > the contacts from its socket go into the main PCB (the horizontal one > it plugs in). I'd first verify that the problem isn't sensitive to just > gently wiggling the board (bad socket contacts). If that doesn't help, > then visually > inspecting the bottom (main pcb) where it plugs in is next. If that shows > nothing, I'd pull out that board, visually inspect it, and clean the > contacts > with deoxit (just in case). If none of those reveal anything, a can of > freeze spray should help you isolate at least the area of the bad > compnents > on the playback board and/or at least verify that that's where it's at > and it's not something I forgot elsewhere.-kby > > From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Aug 2 14:24:01 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:24:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars References: <46B0A2AC.10204@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009801c7d500$01dbd950$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Wouter, OK, that explains it. I was beginning to think I had been excommunicated!! I am glad that you have decided to give it another shot, as this is a very valuable forum for me, and too valuable to let go.. being totally selfish about it!. Advice from Tom, Bala, Kannan, Scott, Ron and many others has helped me immensly as I try and maintain this obsession. And, like the 750 other lurker's, I generally lurk as well being a non techo, just content to listen in. In every organisation or club I have ever been a part of, there are always those with a strong opinion, to the detriment of the quiet majority. The important thing is to ensure that needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.. to sort of quote a favourite movie line. Cheers, and thanks for Naktalk, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak vs nak wars > Hi Tom, > Your posts bounced because naktalk stopped to exist. > It is because I started to get too many email from (quiet) members asking > what had happened that I decided to try it one more time. > Wouter > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >> Wouter and all NakTalkers: >> I did not realize the issue has resulted in casualties. From the 20th >> to >> the 23rd all my posts bounced, and after a week in Boston I resent the >> good >> ones. I did so out of ignorance that this thread had run towards the >> dark >> side. >> > > > From lenaw at flash.net Thu Aug 2 14:49:41 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228487.68176.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Yes, they do. TEAC Z-5000/6000/7000 use three frequencies and I believe most of the decks ( high-end ) out there that offer these features ( auto as well as manual B.L.E. ) use three frequencies to perform the calibration. Nak 700/1000ZXL uses 4 frequencies. I do not know how much better the 4 frequencies over the 3 frequencies though. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/1/2007 11:48:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: For non-Nak, take a look at the TEAC Z-5000/6000. Both of these two decks have manually adjustable B.L.E. for individual Left and Right Channels and so in theory it can calibrate any tape in the world to a ruler flat frequency response ( TYPE-I, II and IV ). Of course the TEAC lack the playback/record heads Azimuth adjustment "A" that the Naks have. Mike Hey Mike, Do these decks use multiple frequencies for the EQ calibration? JW --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 2 18:28:54 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:28:54 -0700 Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: > Yes, they do. TEAC Z-5000/6000/7000 use three frequencies and I > believe most of the decks ( high-end ) out there that offer these > features ( auto as well as manual B.L.E. ) use three frequencies to > perform the calibration. Nak 700/1000ZXL uses 4 frequencies. > Only the 1000zxl uses 4; the 700zxl uses 3.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Aug 2 06:09:43 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 21:09:43 -0700 Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: <345EAE63-5E2D-4258-9183-D34A38793F20@alumni.caltech.edu> > It seems to me that recording EQ adjustment was maybe an issue > with early > 70's type tapes and maybe even today with no-name brands, but once > tapes got > better in the late 80's its imporatance would have faded, which is > probably why > Nak abandoned it. Does this calibration require test tones of > different > frequencies? I myself have noticed in manual calibration of bias > that different > test tones can give different results, although I have generally > simply > compared the source to the tape if I thought that there was some > bias issue > happening. I actually like manual bias setting, for the reasons I > mentioned in > the previous post. Usually problems with bias are from using crap > tapes, and > you can avoid the problem most of the time just by using TDK or > Maxell, > although they offer types which are more or less "hot" which can > be matched to > whatever works best for an individual deck - again, comparing > source to tape will > give you a pretty good idea, with or without a test tone. > I hope Marc Hugo chimes in as he's better at answering this question. However, at a minimum even when dealing with TDK and Maxell, the -X and -S (respectively) tapes are supposed to have rising high end response, ostensibly to help lesser decks get flat response, relative to their non -X and -S suffixed brethren (i.e. TDK MA vs MA-X, Maxell MX vs MX-S, etc.) even if you don't want to get into the more debatable changes in the same "named" formulations over time or different batches, or differences between TDK & Maxell. I would think that a deck adjusted for one the -X or -S type tapes would not be properly adjusted relative to their non-suffixed siblings, and vice versa. I had my 700II adjusted for TDK-MA and UDXL- I at one point and didn't want to use MA-X or UDXL-IS when it came out for that reason. And yes, the 700 and 1000zxl decks are the ones I was thinking of.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 2 18:32:46 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:32:46 EDT Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/2/2007 5:55:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Yes, they do. TEAC Z-5000/6000/7000 use three frequencies and I believe most of the decks ( high-end ) out there that offer these features ( auto as well as manual B.L.E. ) use three frequencies to perform the calibration. Nak 700/1000ZXL uses 4 frequencies. I do not know how much better the 4 frequencies over the 3 frequencies though. Hey Mike, Are you sure that those 4 test tones are used specifically in the EQ calibration, and they're not just 4 test tones present on the deck, like 400Hz for level, 15KHz for bias, etc? It occurred to me thinking about this, that simply using Dolby C would introduce a wild card in EQ calibrations, which might be why Nak abandoned EQ calibration. You can get some strange results in frequency response out of the same tape just by using 1. no Dolby, 2. Dolby B, 3. Dolby C - the biggest difference being with Dolby C which seems to have its own high-frequency quirks, at least on my spectrum analyzer. That variance may be more than the EQ calibration compensates for, so why have it. Just a thought. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 2 18:41:27 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:41:27 EDT Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:20:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: I would think that a deck adjusted for one the -X or -S type tapes would not be properly adjusted relative to their non-suffixed siblings, and vice versa. I had my 700II adjusted for TDK-MA and UDXL-I at one point and didn't want to use MA-X or UDXL-IS when it came out for that reason. I think that the -X and -S type tapes were formulated to be used with Dolby C, and their hot FR is meant to be compatible with the sometimes strange FR that Dolby C results in, above 15KHz for the most part. I think it's probably a good rule of thumb to not use these tapes on a machine which only has Dolby B, like the ZXL's and the 70's decks. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From berlin40 at msn.com Thu Aug 2 20:49:09 2007 From: berlin40 at msn.com (S. Puille) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:49:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <61729.37746.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I could have never afforded one of the more expensive Nakamichi decks for its shop price, but was always fascinated from the scaled Dragon as soon as it came out. I had, and still have, an enormous compact tape collection with rare LPs of the late 60s to the mid70s - recorded on Onkyos, Kenwoods, Aiwas, Duals, Alpines, Tandbergs, Nakamichis, ... from friends all over the world. Finally, nine years ago, I got my Dragon, in near mint condition in its original box, from a professional sound engineer in my neighbourhood who had no usage for it because all musicians he guided recorded on CD. He was glad to get rid of it (these were pre-ebay times) and made me a very fair price. I even got a remote control (new in the box) and am a happy man since. To copy my tapes for friends I use an about 25 years old Revox B 710 Mk. I (!), also with remote control which the Revox service in my town professionally installed. Both units work perfectly together ever since. Stephan _________________________________________________________________ Sie suchen E-Mails, Dokumente oder Fotos? Die neue MSN Suche Toolbar mit Windows-Desktopsuche liefert in sekundenschnelle Ergebnisse. Jetzt neu! http://desktop.msn.de/ Jetzt gratis downloaden! From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 3 01:40:11 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:40:11 -0500 Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) In-Reply-To: <345EAE63-5E2D-4258-9183-D34A38793F20@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: I think there is a bit of confusion about record EQ and record EQ! Let me explain. There are two playback EQ standards for the compact cassette, commonly called 120uS and 70uS. In playback the treble is rolled off a set amount. The number refers to the hinge point of the equalization. Because this roll off would ruin the frequency response, Record EQ is applied as the exact recriprocal of the play EQ. In other words the record EQ boost is cancelled by the playback EQ cut giving flat response. Philips used this boost/cut to improve recording performance. The primary benefit is to reduce tape hiss. Dolby B and C use dynamic boost/cut to further reduce hiss. To adjust for flat frequency response, the playback amplifiers are matched to the heads so that frequency response meets a standard. Nakamichi supplied calibration tapes with 400Hz, 10kHz, 15kHz, and 20kHz standard levels that are used to confirm or adjust the play EQ. Note that this EQ is INDEPENDENT of the 120/70uS described above. Additionally many designs used a record EQ to achieve flat frequency response (Teac did in almost all early designs) . The process is as follows: adjust and align playback to standard using calibration tapes. Adjust and align record/play response at 400Hz for equal levels. Adjust bias at the manufacturer's recommended frequency for equal R/P level. (Manufacturer chooses frequency which results in flattest overall response with SPECIFIED tape). Adjust record EQ for flat response at whatever frequency manufacturer specifies. Typically bias will adjust for equal levels at 15kHz, and EQ for flat response at 18kHz or 20kHz. So we have Playback EQ aka "preemphasis" and Record EQ...two different EQs. ZXL alignment adjusts 3 frequencies (400Hz the 4th) of Record EQ to achieve flatter response between the extremes. A note for the UD XL2S and TDK SA-X fans...when Nak decks are recalibrated for these tapes, which are NOT the tapes specified by Nakamichi, the band from 8kHz to 12 kHz is depressed by about 0.75 dB...not a lot, but certainly not as flat as TDK SA. Dolby however doubles the errors! tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Record EQ (was [naktalk] Nak vs other brands) It seems to me that recording EQ adjustment was maybe an issue with early 70's type tapes and maybe even today with no-name brands, but once tapes got better in the late 80's its imporatance would have faded, which is probably why Nak abandoned it. Does this calibration require test tones of different frequencies? I myself have noticed in manual calibration of bias that different test tones can give different results, although I have generally simply compared the source to the tape if I thought that there was some bias issue happening. I actually like manual bias setting, for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post. Usually problems with bias are from using crap tapes, and you can avoid the problem most of the time just by using TDK or Maxell, although they offer types which are more or less "hot" which can be matched to whatever works best for an individual deck - again, comparing source to tape will give you a pretty good idea, with or without a test tone. I hope Marc Hugo chimes in as he's better at answering this question. However, at a minimum even when dealing with TDK and Maxell, the -X and -S (respectively) tapes are supposed to have rising high end response, ostensibly to help lesser decks get flat response, relative to their non -X and -S suffixed brethren (i.e. TDK MA vs MA-X, Maxell MX vs MX-S, etc.) even if you don't want to get into the more debatable changes in the same "named" formulations over time or different batches, or differences between TDK & Maxell. I would think that a deck adjusted for one the -X or -S type tapes would not be properly adjusted relative to their non-suffixed siblings, and vice versa. I had my 700II adjusted for TDK-MA and UDXL-I at one point and didn't want to use MA-X or UDXL-IS when it came out for that reason. And yes, the 700 and 1000zxl decks are the ones I was thinking of.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From craigsires at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 05:52:01 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:52:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My first Nakamici... a close to mint RX-202 Message-ID: <5902fb8b0708022052t51bfba14l29827683971fe6cb@mail.gmail.com> After lusting a Nakamichi cassette deck for close to three decades, I finally ponied up to the bar at ebay. I can not believe how lucky I was to find a RX-202 in virtually mint condition for under 90 usd. This deck looks as if it was just taken out of the box fifteen years ago, looked at, and put back in the box. I'll tell you how new this deck seems to me,..(no I'm not trying to sell it)...Most brand new electronic components have a certain smell when the guts heat up and burn off and stabilize when first powered on. This deck has that same smell. No, it's not the acrid smell of a resistor frying, it's the smell of Nakamichi in the morning. The bay window is flawless. I opened it up and it looks like just out of the factory. My friend from High Screwll days all those years ago (1976 to be exact), had a 600, brand new that his father had bought for him. About the same time my Father had bought a Hitachi portable. That was a great portable deck. I think it was rs-209 or something like that). We were all into cassettes back then. Anyway, it's going to be a lot of fun to start recording music again on tape and playing around with getting the best reproduction out of the tools I have. One last thought, visually, all of the RX series should be placed high, close to eye level in a darkened room. The lighted bay window reminds me of how some expensive jewelery or paintings are displayed. Regards, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also was the "FIRST" to use Dolby NR (B)...noise reduction...be 500% sure...THAT...is NOT comparable to Dragon...so IF...you dream...that you get something like Dragon...you are WRONG!!!. Yes...was fabricated like a Sherman tank!!! Hope that works well & if yes...enjoy it!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0500From: dieseldude1 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] advent model 201 greetings, just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really that good? sam c _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Aug 3 14:19:59 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:19:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60708021834s2239eaebhac4cf98aa3815816@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cc47db60708021834s2239eaebhac4cf98aa3815816@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46B31D6F.9090308@snet.net> Having owned a couple of these decks, I feel as though I can speak as something of an expert. The Advent 201 was essentially a Wollensak with Nakamichi produced heads and electronics. It is built like a tank, but with one serious design flaw which was the capstan sleeve bearing which was made of relatively soft brass which would wear over time. This would cause tape speed to slow down and eventually stall the transport (if you could still bear to listen to it). While the Advent 201 was not the first deck with Dolby (that would be the Harman Kardon CAD-5 in 1971... another machine with Nak electronics), it was one of the early Dolby units. Interestingly, the Advent 100 which preceded it was an all Nakamichi design (and also a travesty in terms of reliability). At one point Nero Nakamichi went on record saying that he was "forced" to make such a bad machine. In it's day, the performance of the Advent 201 was about as good as it got. With a frequency response that extended out to about 15k or so, it was nothing less than remarkable. In addition, it was the only cassette deck at the time that had Dolby level and bias adjustments that could be accessed by the user. Ed sam's mail wrote: > greetings, > > just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a > tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the > consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is > really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of > all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really > that good? > > sam c > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Fri Aug 3 13:53:38 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:53:38 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? Message-ID: <20070803115338.F12321BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers tell me what the differences are between these two machines? Thanking you in advance, Grant -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 3 14:15:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <300361.55075.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex: The Advent 201/201A 's transport is not built by Nakamichi. It is built by Wollensak. The previoud 200 uses a Nakamichi transport which is not a successful design. The internal electronic system is designed by Advent people. I recall someone said some of the electronics are designed by Henry Kloss. Yes, it is the first deck with DolbyB even though this first has been claimed by Harman Kardon as well. This deck was really good at its time and if you look at its numbers, actually its performance is limited by the kind of tape that is available in the market at that time ( quoted from Len Wong's article on Advent 201 ). I still own a Advent 201A and playback using a commerical pre-recorded Advent Process CR/70 cassette tape, the sound is still very pleasing. Definitely the 201 cannot be used to compare with the Naks' performance and I would that they cannot be compared at all. Advent 201 should be treated as a classic in the history of cassette technology, IMHO. Best Regards, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Dear Sam, For his "Era"...was...Nakamichi produce the transport & maybe the two heads issues! Also was the "FIRST" to use Dolby NR (B)...noise reduction...be 500% sure...THAT...is NOT comparable to Dragon...so IF...you dream...that you get something like Dragon...you are WRONG!!!. Yes...was fabricated like a Sherman tank!!! Hope that works well & if yes...enjoy it!!! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 greetings, just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really that good? sam c --------------------------------- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Aug 3 18:36:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:36:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/2007 9:26:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, g.bastard at earthling.net writes: To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers tell me what the differences are between these two machines? 1. No tape monitor on the 681 ZX 2. I beleive the Dolby circuits are different - correct me if I'm wrong on this. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Aug 3 18:37:26 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:37:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? Message-ID: Grant, I think the only difference is the 681 does not have tape monitoring facility during recording (Although it still has 3 heads!) No idea why this was an option, hence there aren't many 681's about I presume. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 3 19:48:07 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? In-Reply-To: <20070803115338.F12321BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <933379.98969.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 681ZX does not has the tape monitor switch. I think that is the only difference between these two decks. Hope this help. Mike bastard wrote: To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers tell me what the differences are between these two machines? Thanking you in advance, Grant -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 23:47:24 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61952.63214.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe that the lack of a tape monitor function was as deleted from the 681ZX as a cost saving measure. Only one set of dolby circuits are needed. That one set is switched between encode and decode like in 2 head decks. With the 682ZX two sets are needed. One dedicated to encode and one dedicated to decode. If the deck didn't have dolby there would virtually be not cost to adding the tape monitor function. I believe they use the same Dolby chips (uA7300 or something like that). SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/3/2007 9:26:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, g.bastard at earthling.net writes: To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers tell me what the differences are between these two machines? 1. No tape monitor on the 681 ZX 2. I beleive the Dolby circuits are different - correct me if I'm wrong on this. Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 3 23:56:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:56:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? In-Reply-To: <933379.98969.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <933379.98969.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46B3A4A5.80909@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > 681ZX does not has the tape monitor switch. I think that is the only > difference between these two decks. Hope this help. It's not just the switch... By forgoing tape monitoring it is possible to do without separate electronics for record and PB. This means just one Dolby circuit instead of two. This allows for some cost saving, while record and PB performance are still the same as the 682. Personally, I wouldn't buy a 681. Monitoring off the tape is a very important feature for me. -- Ron > > > Mike > > */bastard /* wrote: > > > To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers > tell me what the differences are between these two machines? > > Thanking you in advance, > Grant From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sat Aug 4 01:54:16 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:54:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] E-Rings & Washers In-Reply-To: <46B3A4A5.80909@rcn.com> Message-ID: Does anybody know a source for metric e-rings and washers? I need some in the 1.5 to 3 mm range, (pinch roller size). Thanking you in advance, Dennis From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 4 00:58:32 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 17:58:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It only has 2 Dolby ICs, not 4. This is why it has no record monitor. I think the retail was $100 less in the US. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? In a message dated 8/3/2007 9:26:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, g.bastard at earthling.net writes: To save me hours of trawling the archives, can any fellow Nakkers tell me what the differences are between these two machines? 1. No tape monitor on the 681 ZX 2. I beleive the Dolby circuits are different - correct me if I'm wrong on this. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 4 01:01:22 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:01:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 In-Reply-To: <300361.55075.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 201 frequency response died at about 14kHz, and the head wore out very quickly. The 201A was one of the first metal capable decks. I saw very few of those as top load decks were out of fashion by that time. I do not recall where the treble fell off. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] advent model 201 Alex: The Advent 201/201A 's transport is not built by Nakamichi. It is built by Wollensak. The previoud 200 uses a Nakamichi transport which is not a successful design. The internal electronic system is designed by Advent people. I recall someone said some of the electronics are designed by Henry Kloss. Yes, it is the first deck with DolbyB even though this first has been claimed by Harman Kardon as well. This deck was really good at its time and if you look at its numbers, actually its performance is limited by the kind of tape that is available in the market at that time ( quoted from Len Wong's article on Advent 201 ). I still own a Advent 201A and playback using a commerical pre-recorded Advent Process CR/70 cassette tape, the sound is still very pleasing. Definitely the 201 cannot be used to compare with the Naks' performance and I would that they cannot be compared at all. Advent 201 should be treated as a classic in the history of cassette technology, IMHO. Best Regards, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Sam, For his "Era"...was...Nakamichi produce the transport & maybe the two heads issues! Also was the "FIRST" to use Dolby NR (B)...noise reduction...be 500% sure...THAT...is NOT comparable to Dragon...so IF...you dream...that you get something like Dragon...you are WRONG!!!. Yes...was fabricated like a Sherman tank!!! Hope that works well & if yes...enjoy it!!! Peace, ALEX! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 greetings, just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really that good? sam c ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Aug 4 15:33:57 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <94827.65895.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 201A has a harder head so it lasts longer and also the frequency response is better than the original 201. With all respect I have never heard that the 201A is metal capable. It still has switch selection for Normal/CrO2 only. That is new for me. Thanks. Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: 201 frequency response died at about 14kHz, and the head wore out very quickly. The 201A was one of the first metal capable decks. I saw very few of those as top load decks were out of fashion by that time. I do not recall where the treble fell off. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 6:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] advent model 201 Alex: The Advent 201/201A 's transport is not built by Nakamichi. It is built by Wollensak. The previoud 200 uses a Nakamichi transport which is not a successful design. The internal electronic system is designed by Advent people. I recall someone said some of the electronics are designed by Henry Kloss. Yes, it is the first deck with DolbyB even though this first has been claimed by Harman Kardon as well. This deck was really good at its time and if you look at its numbers, actually its performance is limited by the kind of tape that is available in the market at that time ( quoted from Len Wong's article on Advent 201 ). I still own a Advent 201A and playback using a commerical pre-recorded Advent Process CR/70 cassette tape, the sound is still very pleasing. Definitely the 201 cannot be used to compare with the Naks' performance and I would that they cannot be compared at all. Advent 201 should be treated as a classic in the history of cassette technology, IMHO. Best Regards, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Dear Sam, For his "Era"...was...Nakamichi produce the transport & maybe the two heads issues! Also was the "FIRST" to use Dolby NR (B)...noise reduction...be 500% sure...THAT...is NOT comparable to Dragon...so IF...you dream...that you get something like Dragon...you are WRONG!!!. Yes...was fabricated like a Sherman tank!!! Hope that works well & if yes...enjoy it!!! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 greetings, just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really that good? sam c --------------------------------- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Aug 5 01:09:18 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 09:09:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 681ZX & 682ZX - What are the differences? References: <20070803115338.F12321BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <005101c7d6ec$7c6b6f30$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> G'day Grant, Apart from the Technical differences already covered ( single dolby circuit/no tape monitor), the 681ZX could really be regarded as a 2 head machine with separate rcord and playback heads, if that makes sense. I think only Nakamichi did this, with their 481/581/660ZX, and 681ZX decks, and quite why I am not sure unless it was a price point. The aim was to provide a machine that was effectively a two head deck, but with a record and playback performance of a full head machine. In a nutshell a "two" head machine with optimised record and playback head gaps if you like? How is your 1000ZXL going? cheers, Martin From kulak at ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 5 09:44:10 2007 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:44:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi repairer in Australia? Message-ID: <000001c7d734$6996f300$0600a8c0@sn85g4> Does anyone know of a good repairer in Australia (Melbourne). Have an ailing RX505. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Aug 5 10:00:04 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:00:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 Message-ID: Dear Mike! Thanks so much for your clarify my memory! I own one of those for 4 days only..., as disagree with ONLY One meter! Peace, ALEX! Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 05:15:09 -0700From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: RE: [naktalk] advent model 201To: naktalk at naks.com Alex: The Advent 201/201A 's transport is not built by Nakamichi. It is built by Wollensak. The previoud 200 uses a Nakamichi transport which is not a successful design. The internal electronic system is designed by Advent people. I recall someone said some of the electronics are designed by Henry Kloss. Yes, it is the first deck with DolbyB even though this first has been claimed by Harman Kardon as well. This deck was really good at its time and if you look at its numbers, actually its performance is limited by the kind of tape that is available in the market at that time ( quoted from Len Wong's article on Advent 201 ). I still own a Advent 201A and playback using a commerical pre-recorded Advent Process CR/70 cassette tape, the sound is still very pleasing. Definitely the 201 cannot be used to compare with the Naks' performance and I would that they cannot be compared at all. Advent 201 should be treated as a classic in the history of cassette technology, IMHO. Best Regards, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Sam, For his "Era"...was...Nakamichi produce the transport & maybe the two heads issues! Also was the "FIRST" to use Dolby NR (B)...noise reduction...be 500% sure...THAT...is NOT comparable to Dragon...so IF...you dream...that you get something like Dragon...you are WRONG!!!. Yes...was fabricated like a Sherman tank!!! Hope that works well & if yes...enjoy it!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0500From: dieseldude1 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] advent model 201 greetings, just got my paws on an old advent 201. this deck is truly built like a tank, the reviews claim its the first dolby b unit released to the consumer market, i don't use nr and long ago decided that hiss is really not an issue. stereophile list it in the top 100 components of all time, right up there with the dragon. is this little beast really that good? sam c Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 15:23:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:23:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Ailing RX-505 Message-ID: <080520071323.15340.46B5CF6A000CF03300003BEC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Steve: What problems are you having with your RX-505? There are several people on this mailing list who are excellent technicians and are very experienced in troubleshooting Nakamichi decks. Furthermore, many times a deck will have problems that are quite easily repaired. I'm not saying that most problems are easy enough for the average person to tackle, but you would be surprised at what can be done. Best of Luck, *andy* From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sun Aug 5 20:42:07 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:42:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fellow Naktalkers, First I'd like to say thanks to all the contributors here! With the information I've read here, I've been able to restore both a 580 & a 582 to perfect working condition. Initially I thought the way naks are built that they would be very complicated to work on. What I've found is just the opposite. The build quality makes them easier to work on, in my experience anyway. My current problem involves a 670ZX with no output. If you listen carefully with headphones you can just hear the tape playing - but not enough volume to register on the meters. I haven't seen any mention of a similar problem here, and was looking for some guidance as to where to start looking for the problem. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:54 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] E-Rings & Washers Does anybody know a source for metric e-rings and washers? I need some in the 1.5 to 3 mm range, (pinch roller size). Thanking you in advance, Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 08/02/2007 2:22 PM From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 6 00:00:12 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:00:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The proper tool is called "snap ring plier" , but I have yet to find one with small enough tips to fit. What I do is insert a flat blade screwdriver that happens to only fit in at an angle. When I turn the screwdriver slightly and carefully, the snap ring loosens somewhat. I use a second small flat blade to lift (lightly pry) the clip off. Reinsertion is the reverse procedure. I have broken a post off, so be careful. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal Nak Talkers, What's the preferred method for removing those nasty little spring clips / stopper rings / retaining clips / snap rings, what ever it is you want to call them. I started to remove the cassette holder from a model 582 and I need to detach the pneumatic damper arm. It's held in place by a single "clip" but it doesn't want to budge. It seems as though the pin on the cassette holder is simply made of plastic and I'm afraid of breaking it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 6 02:36:55 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <105724.12242.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like you need to read Nakamichi NR-0039. You can get a copy on Wouter's Wiki page. http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Basically your stop lamp is probably burnt out and causing the deck to mute. SJ Dennis Ball wrote: Fellow Naktalkers, First I'd like to say thanks to all the contributors here! With the information I've read here, I've been able to restore both a 580 & a 582 to perfect working condition. Initially I thought the way naks are built that they would be very complicated to work on. What I've found is just the opposite. The build quality makes them easier to work on, in my experience anyway. My current problem involves a 670ZX with no output. If you listen carefully with headphones you can just hear the tape playing - but not enough volume to register on the meters. I haven't seen any mention of a similar problem here, and was looking for some guidance as to where to start looking for the problem. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:54 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] E-Rings & Washers Does anybody know a source for metric e-rings and washers? I need some in the 1.5 to 3 mm range, (pinch roller size). Thanking you in advance, Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 08/02/2007 2:22 PM ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 6 06:35:34 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:35:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for the tip! I need to increase my selection of screwdrivers, now I've got an excuse... I ended up leaving the cassette holder attached. There was just enough play to rotate it out of the way and get the head block off so I could remove the pinch roller assembly. They were frozen so tight it took a propane torch to get them apart. Thanks again, Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal The proper tool is called "snap ring plier" , but I have yet to find one with small enough tips to fit. What I do is insert a flat blade screwdriver that happens to only fit in at an angle. When I turn the screwdriver slightly and carefully, the snap ring loosens somewhat. I use a second small flat blade to lift (lightly pry) the clip off. Reinsertion is the reverse procedure. I have broken a post off, so be careful. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal Nak Talkers, What's the preferred method for removing those nasty little spring clips / stopper rings / retaining clips / snap rings, what ever it is you want to call them. I started to remove the cassette holder from a model 582 and I need to detach the pneumatic damper arm. It's held in place by a single "clip" but it doesn't want to budge. It seems as though the pin on the cassette holder is simply made of plastic and I'm afraid of breaking it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 08/04/2007 2:42 PM From dball1 at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 6 06:40:09 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:40:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX In-Reply-To: <105724.12242.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Scott, You called it! The stop lamp was out... I just happened to have a micro lamp from radio shack, 12v 60ma that worked great. Now if I can get the right meter to work properly I'll be all set. Thanks so much, Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX Sounds like you need to read Nakamichi NR-0039. You can get a copy on Wouter's Wiki page. http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Basically your stop lamp is probably burnt out and causing the deck to mute. SJ Dennis Ball wrote: Fellow Naktalkers, First I'd like to say thanks to all the contributors here! With the information I've read here, I've been able to restore both a 580 & a 582 to perfect working condition. Initially I thought the way naks are built that they would be very complicated to work on. What I've found is just the opposite. The build quality makes them easier to work on, in my experience anyway. My current problem involves a 670ZX with no output. If you listen carefully with headphones you can just hear the tape playing - but not enough volume to register on the meters. I haven't seen any mention of a similar problem here, and was looking for some guidance as to where to start looking for the problem. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:54 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] E-Rings & Washers Does anybody know a source for metric e-rings and washers? I need some in the 1.5 to 3 mm range, (pinch roller size). Thanking you in advance, Dennis ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Aug 6 10:56:22 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:56:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356057.93970.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Its also handy to have available a large,ish magnet for when the clip springs into the air and and disappears onto the floor or into the the carpet, its amazing what else you might find:-) T. hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: The proper tool is called "snap ring plier" , but I have yet to find one with small enough tips to fit. What I do is insert a flat blade screwdriver that happens to only fit in at an angle. When I turn the screwdriver slightly and carefully, the snap ring loosens somewhat. I use a second small flat blade to lift (lightly pry) the clip off. Reinsertion is the reverse procedure. I have broken a post off, so be careful. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:43 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Retaining Clip Removal Nak Talkers, What's the preferred method for removing those nasty little spring clips / stopper rings / retaining clips / snap rings, what ever it is you want to call them. I started to remove the cassette holder from a model 582 and I need to detach the pneumatic damper arm. It's held in place by a single "clip" but it doesn't want to budge. It seems as though the pin on the cassette holder is simply made of plastic and I'm afraid of breaking it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 14:24:12 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:24:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I'm Selling a Cassette Deck Message-ID: <080620071224.22318.46B712EC0009D6F30000572E22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have a non-Nakamichi deck for sale -- a harman/kardon CD391. Here it is on eBay, if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250151775660&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015 I hope I haven't broken any rules by mentioning a non-Nak deck. Please accept my apologies if I have! *andy* From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 6 22:47:43 2007 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (MARK BATES) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:47:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 transport problems Message-ID: My 582 will rewind fine but to ff the tape you have to hold the button for it to work and I also get no action when I press the play button. All the motors are turning and all belts are present. The pinch rollers do not move up and make contact with the capstans. Could this be al problem in the circuit or a mechanical problem? Any help will be appreciated. Mark _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage�get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Aug 7 01:28:04 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:28:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 transport problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, I just spent last weekend working on a 582 with the same problem... After a period of non-use, the grease in the pinch roller pivot gets stiff and they will no longer move up to contact the capstan. If you're lucky, you can apply some alcohol or wd40 to the pivot point on the pinch rollers to free them up. If not, you'll need to completely remove the pinch roller assembly. I tried to free mine with alcohol for about 24 hours before I gave up and removed the assemblies. In the end it took the heat from a propane torch to get them apart. Just put a drop of alcohol/wd40 on the pivot point and try to move them up and down with your finger. Be gentle so as to not wreck the alignment. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of MARK BATES Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:48 PM To: NAKTALK at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 transport problems My 582 will rewind fine but to ff the tape you have to hold the button for it to work and I also get no action when I press the play button. All the motors are turning and all belts are present. The pinch rollers do not move up and make contact with the capstans. Could this be al problem in the circuit or a mechanical problem? Any help will be appreciated. Mark _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 08/05/2007 4:16 PM From btorre at ix.netcom.com Tue Aug 7 00:28:41 2007 From: btorre at ix.netcom.com (Ben Torre) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:28:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] advent model 201 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070806182824.03b7ace0@ix.netcom.com> At 09:33 AM 8/4/07, you wrote: >The 201A has a harder head so it lasts longer and also the frequency >response is better than the original 201. >With all respect I have never heard that the 201A is metal capable. >It still has switch selection for Normal/CrO2 only. That is new for me. >>The 201A was one of the first metal capable decks. I saw very few >>of those as top load decks were out of fashion by that time. I do >>not recall where the treble fell off. The 201A was the first **chromium dioxide** capable deck, and also the first with Dolby "B". Came out in 1968 as I recall. Even came with a demonstration cassette of DuPont Crolyn, which was the first CrO2 tape; one side had an orchestral recording (pretty darned good) and the other side was left blank for the user. It also had an option for an out-board discrete mic preamp. A variation of the circuit appeared in The Audio Amateur some years back, though I forget the issue. Transport was by Wollensak, and that means there are a short ton of parts out there that can be scavenged from all those AV department machines destined for the dumpster. Metal particle tape came out around 1980. I recall it well. Shortly thereafter, Dolby "C" came out. This was long after the 201. Advent moved out of their offices as listed in the owner's manual around the summer of 1986. Btw, Wollensak also made a consumer deck based on that same transport. Model was 4766 in the US market, and 4766C in the Canadian market. They used two meters instead of Advent's single meter, and added an FeCr position. Actually sounded better than the 201A, but there were power supply hum issues related to a bad grounding rig. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/07 2:42 PM From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 7 02:16:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:16:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 transport problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46B7B9C2.5060500@rcn.com> Somehow I suspect the pinch roller arms are not the problem here. Based on the description, it sounds like an electrical or logic problem. -- Ron Dennis Ball wrote: > Mark, > > I just spent last weekend working on a 582 with the same problem... > > After a period of non-use, the grease in the pinch roller pivot gets stiff > and they will no longer move up to contact the capstan. > > If you're lucky, you can apply some alcohol or wd40 to the pivot point on > the pinch rollers to free them up. If not, you'll need to completely remove > the pinch roller assembly. I tried to free mine with alcohol for about 24 > hours before I gave up and removed the assemblies. In the end it took the > heat from a propane torch to get them apart. > > Just put a drop of alcohol/wd40 on the pivot point and try to move them up > and down with your finger. Be gentle so as to not wreck the alignment. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of MARK BATES > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:48 PM > To: NAKTALK at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 transport problems > > > My 582 will rewind fine but to ff the tape you have to hold the button for > it to work and I also get no action when I press the play button. All the > motors are turning and all belts are present. The pinch rollers do not move > up and make contact with the capstans. > Could this be al problem in the circuit or a mechanical problem? Any help > will be appreciated. > > Mark From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Aug 5 21:26:40 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:26:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX Message-ID: Is the stop button light burned out?-kby From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Aug 7 16:12:23 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:12:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kimo, Yes it was.... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 3:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem with 670ZX Is the stop button light burned out?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 08/05/2007 4:16 PM From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 7 16:41:07 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:41:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine Message-ID: -See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220137831253&fromMakeTrac k=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:us May be just what one of you recording machine collectors would like? Anyone with current contact with Kermit? May be he'd like it? Has to be collected but I'm sure something can be sorted out. Gra' From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 7 22:19:03 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:19:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine In-Reply-To: <17884511.1186498111574.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml10> Message-ID: Yes Roland, but if anyone abroad wanted it badly, I'm sure one or other of us Brits would be willing to help out by collecting it and arranging for it to be boxed and sent on. No? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Roland [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: 07 August 2007 15:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Graham Nelson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine Read shipping details, as in, NONE. Local pickup only. In the UK ---- Graham Nelson wrote: > > -See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220137831253&fromMakeTrac > k=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:us > > May be just what one of you recording machine collectors would like? > Anyone with current contact with Kermit? May be he'd like it? > > Has to be collected but I'm sure something can be sorted out. > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Aug 7 16:48:31 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:48:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine Message-ID: <17884511.1186498111574.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml10> Read shipping details, as in, NONE. Local pickup only. In the UK ---- Graham Nelson wrote: > > -See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220137831253&fromMakeTrac > k=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:us > > May be just what one of you recording machine collectors would like? > Anyone with current contact with Kermit? May be he'd like it? > > Has to be collected but I'm sure something can be sorted out. > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 20:45:05 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:45:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have heard two ZX nines one of which was original from Nak(a) while the other(b) was overhauled and had cap replacements. (B) sounded amazing with super clean highs and well defined bass but was polite and warm in its presentation. (A) sounded amazing as well but there was an extra something in the bass that I found more appealing. As you can tell I prefer the sound of (A) and I wonder how many Naks that have cap replacement sound as good as Nak intended. Replacing caps and aligning everything to generate the appropriate frquency response is wonderful but getting the sound to Nak standards is another! Cheers boogie >From: >Reply-To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:55:51 -0500 > >Jeff, > John Nelson and I were talking yesterday about orange capacitor >replacements. The 680 used capacitors that are a lighter orange than the >high failure types, and I thought it worthwhile to explore whether a cap >change might alter his 680's sound towards something less pleasing. Has >anyone changed orange caps in a 580, 582, or 680 and not been happy with >the >sound? I'm especially interested in the midrange sound differences. > >tom > > > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >Of >Kimo B. Yap >Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:40 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > >Yesterday I blew my mad money on a 682ZX off Craigslist and I'm hoping to >do some >comparisons with my 680 to see if I can hear a real difference between >auto >and manual calibration. > > >Looking at Wouter's pages, the 682zx appears to be partially >auto-calibrating and, for the purposes of what Mike >was talking about don't apply. It's auto-cal for the azimuth--I don't know >how creative one wants to be with this; >I suppose you could just not autocal, but OK, you can't get a specifically >mismatched record azimuth very easily. >It's auto-cal for level, but I assume it's like the 680zx so has separate >record level controls; that's probably a better >way to mismatch channels if you really want to. It's manual for bias, which >is what Mike was talking about >adjusting, and it has "fixed" (i.e. requires tools and skills the average >user doesn't have) rec. EQ. > > >I admit it's nice to know you can tweak things the way you want, but in >practice most people don't use a cassette >deck that way that I know of--at least not me. It doesn't seem like many >people even take advantage of >tweaking playback EQ which is documented, so I can't imagine MOST users >even >wanting to bother with >tweaking the bias. When I used to want decks with adjustable bias it was to >adjust it correctly for the tape >being used, not to mis-adjust it deliberately. Just my 2 cents.-kby > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ See Fireworks On Live Image Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=Fireworks&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP From badanth at aim.com Wed Aug 8 00:50:43 2007 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:50:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9A75C851CFE8F-174-516C@FWM-M13.sysops.aol.com> That's what's great about this wonderful place isn't it? Anthony PS: I'll buy one of the recordings if anyone get's it to work. ;0) -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson To: Roland ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 4:19 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine Yes Roland, but if anyone abroad wanted it badly, I'm sure one or other of us Brits would be willing to help out by collecting it and arranging for it to be boxed and sent on. No? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Roland [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: 07 August 2007 15:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Graham Nelson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sugden Record cutting machine Read shipping details, as in, NONE. Local pickup only. In the UK ---- Graham Nelson wrote: > > -See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220137831253&fromMakeTrac > k=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:us > > May be just what one of you recording machine collectors would like? > Anyone with current contact with Kermit? May be he'd like it? > > Has to be collected but I'm sure something can be sorted out. > > Gra' > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 14:39:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:39:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 "problem" Message-ID: <080920071239.10146.46BB0B180006C0D2000027A222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Has the idler tyre on your BX-2 ever been replaced? I am guessing that the clunking sound you are hearing is the sound of the rubber idler tyre being put under a load. The tyre is probably worn and its surface is no longer consistent. Playing a tape magnifies the problem. When you press Play, RW, or FF, the idler tyre pivots over to the appropriate tape hub and spins, causing the hub to move. The tyre is in constant contact with the hub when it is operating; therefore, any irregularity in the surface of the tyre can often be heard. It's kind of like driving down the road with a big nail sticking out of one of your car tyres -- the noise is pretty hard to miss. I would bet that the clunking also occurs during RW or FF but is harder to hear because of the noise of the rewinding process itself. Just my guess.... P.S.: If the idler tyre has never been replaced, it is a VERY good idea to go ahead and replace it now. The tyre is very inexpensive and easy to find! (Semi-easy to install) One more thing: Keep in mind the possibility that the cassette itself is the source of the clunking sound. I have a cassette that does something very similar to what you describe. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 9 15:50:12 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:50:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 "problem" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BB1B94.3090304@rcn.com> Make sure the noise is not coming form the cassette itself. A very low noise is normal for many (or even most) cassettes. Another possibility is the hub (the part you call 'spinner'). Make sure it's in good shape. -- Ron SheldO wrote: > Hi there. I have a perfectly running BX-2 but there seems to be some > mechanical noise coming from the right tape "spinner" (I dont know the > correct terminology for it ... but you know ... the spinning part that > moves the tape reel). When I play the deck with no tape in it there is > no noise at all but as soon as a tape is put in it outputs a sound. Even > though this light "clunking" sound can only be heard when you press your > ear against the tape door im still wondering if there could be a minor > problem. As I said the recording and playback of tapes sounds and works > PERFECTLY. Do you know what the problem could be? Thanks! From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 15:50:46 2007 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (MARK BATES) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:50:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Where can I purchase orange caps for my NAKS? Message-ID: Hello, Where can I purchase orange caps or equivalents for my NAKS? Thanks again. Mark _________________________________________________________________ See what you�re getting into�before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Aug 9 16:35:29 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:35:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Where can I purchase orange caps for my NAKS? References: Message-ID: <002c01c7da92$8bec7b80$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Mark, Ben from this forum has spent of lot of time finding the right replacement caps and can assemble a set for most Naks. Mail him at Benstratford at aol.com for more informations. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK BATES" To: Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Where can I purchase orange caps for my NAKS? > Hello, > Where can I purchase orange caps or equivalents for my NAKS? Thanks again. > Mark > > _________________________________________________________________ > See what you're getting into.before you go there > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Aug 9 16:57:49 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:57:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Where can I purchase orange caps for my NAKS? In-Reply-To: <002c01c7da92$8bec7b80$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002c01c7da92$8bec7b80$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <17d5ee910708090757y306da490n1acd28a582ef635c@mail.gmail.com> This is an option. You can use polystyrene and polypropylene Vishay "Orange Drops" or Panasonic caps and they should do the job well too. 2007/8/9, Per : > > Hi Mark, Ben from this forum has spent of lot of time > finding the right replacement caps and can assemble > a set for most Naks. Mail him at Benstratford at aol.com > for more informations. Best Regards, Per > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MARK BATES" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:50 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Where can I purchase orange caps for my NAKS? > > > > Hello, > > Where can I purchase orange caps or equivalents for my NAKS? Thanks > again. > > Mark > > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This could be as simple as replacing the idler wheel and tape tension belt. I'd try that first. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 9 18:26:10 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:26:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001001c7da9d$74ee3f80$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <00b801c7daa1$ff1f2710$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Sounds like the reel motor is playing up. You could try Deoxit [carefully thru the rear slots] to deal with any electrical contact issues. The issue arises thru infrequent use & the motors develop bad contact spots which the Deoxit [& the Gold version] help to overcome If Deoxit [after several tries] fails to work then a new reel motor is the cure. Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello all I have a problem with one of my CR7s. It stops half way through playing a tape and part of the tape is loose between the reels (if thats good english). Any suggestions on how to solve this problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Any suggestions on how to solve this problem? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Aug 9 21:42:30 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:42:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: <001b01c7dabd$6c501450$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Thanks Scott I do have a gear idler assembly So now what?? Will sleepless nights help? :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 10 01:51:52 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:51:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 In-Reply-To: <001b01c7dabd$6c501450$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> References: <001b01c7dabd$6c501450$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <46BBA898.8060606@rcn.com> Jannis wrote: > Thanks Scott > > I do have a gear idler assembly > > So now what?? Now there are (at least) two possibilities. One is a fault in the cut off sensor. Unlikely, but possible. If the sensor is OK, I would strongly suspect the reel motor. First, check the takeup torque during PLAY. The service manual specifies how. If the adjustment is correct but the problem remains, consider replacing the motor. Following the manual procedure requires a torque meter. If you do not have one, try this: play a cassette from the beginning and measure the voltage across the reel motor. Note where on the tape the deck stops. Rewind and play again. Measure the voltage again and adjust VR601 to increase the reading by bout 0.2V. Note where the deck stops now. If the tape plays longer before stopping, you can repeat a couple of times, but it's not healthy to increase VR601 too much. > Will sleepless nights help? :-) I kinda doubt it. But some folks believe that squirting contact cleaner into the motor helps. They may even be right :-). -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 10 02:46:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:46:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Look CLOSELY.... (Here's The Link) Message-ID: <081020070046.26815.46BBB57C000AD781000068BF22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> What the heck was done to this CR-1A ????? (Click on link below.) Read the description and look closely at the photo showing the inside components. Also look closely at the photo showing the back of the unit. Very odd! *andy* http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-TAPE-DECK-CR-1A-CASSETTE-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ170138629214QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 05:30:55 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Look CLOSELY.... (Here's The Link) In-Reply-To: <081020070046.26815.46BBB57C000AD781000068BF22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <296184.4905.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe it's a IEC-I, IEC-II circuit! That would be cool, but, probably not the case. You know what would be really cool. A tube output stage! SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: What the heck was done to this CR-1A ????? (Click on link below.) Read the description and look closely at the photo showing the inside components. Also look closely at the photo showing the back of the unit. Very odd! *andy* http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-TAPE-DECK-CR-1A-CASSETTE-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ170138629214QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 10 15:19:12 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:19:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Look CLOSELY.... (Here's The Link) In-Reply-To: <081020070046.26815.46BBB57C000AD781000068BF22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <081020070046.26815.46BBB57C000AD781000068BF22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46BC65D0.5050202@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > What the heck was done to this CR-1A ????? (Click on link below.) > > Read the description and look closely at the photo showing the inside > components. Also look closely at the photo showing the back of the unit. > > Very odd! > > > *andy* > I imagine someone added a mic input. -- Ron From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Mon Aug 13 18:29:46 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:29:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f626b27ae82c3bde498933e1bae63c9@austin.rr.com> hello Ben, just to say thanks for sending your spare feet...they arrived in fine condition last wednesday...took with to recover repaired 670zx on saturday and they were installed on the spot...look and operate great! glad to say that 670zx is likewise back in fine fettle...there were several deficiencies corrected; as of this writing there are no outstanding repair conditions and only a few cosmetic issues to resolve...technicians did remark that replacement belts which are supposed to be correct are 'somewhat less than spec' and therefore w&f may be greater than expected until 'they stretch some.' i'll include one shot of your feet in action just in case aol is unhappy with too many attachments.... too many thanks for this kind donation 'pay it forward' style, rgds, dave dickerson, austin, tx -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards Ben -----Original Message----- From: d. dickerson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 5.29pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] it lives! hello Ben,? ? just to say thanks for sending your spare feet...they arrived in fine condition last wednesday...took with to recover repaired 670zx on saturday and they were installed on the spot...look and operate great!? ? glad to say that 670zx is likewise back in fine fettle...there were several deficiencies corrected; as of this writing there are no outstanding repair conditions and only a few cosmetic issues to resolve...technicians did remark that replacement belts which are supposed to be correct are 'somewhat less than spec' and therefore w&f may be greater than expected until 'they stretch some.'? ? i'll include one shot of your feet in action just in case aol is unhappy with too many attachments....? ? too many thanks for this kind donation 'pay it forward' style,? ? rgds,? ? dave dickerson, austin, tx? On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:34, Benstratford at aol.com wrote:? >? > Hi Dave,? > ?? > I have 4 spare feet for you - packed up and ready to go for your > 670ZX.? Hopefully they will be perfect.? Just make sure that the > screws are not too long and poke something they shouldn't.? > ?? > If you can mail me a shipping address off list, I'll sent them off > soonest.? > ?? > Best Regards, Ben? > ========---------------------------------------------------------> =========? > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? > ========---------------------------------------------------------> =========? > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ==========? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 14 14:01:26 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:01:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! Message-ID: <081420071201.15657.46C199960009981400003D2922165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Glad to hear that your 670ZX is back in action! It's always great when a nice piece of gear comes back to life. Now if only I could resurrect this CR-7a I have. It's really fried! Oh well, someday soon.... Enjoy your deck! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 14 14:48:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:48:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? Message-ID: <081420071248.14742.46C1A4B4000476CB0000399622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I recently won the bidding on a fairly clean Nakamichi 700 (not the 700 II). I am waiting for this deck to arrive. I didn't even really mean to win the auction, but since bidding had only reached $5.00 with just a few hours left, I entered a "joke" bid of $50.00...and wound up winning the deck for just over $45.00!!! I did some checking, and it seems that the 700 really doesn't sell for much at all. Why is this? I know that it is not able to play metal tapes, but I would have thought that a 3-head, dual-capstan deck like this one would sell for at least a bit more. And it's so good looking, as well! I'm not complaining about the low price I paid, that's for sure. But it seems strange that such a nice deck would sell for so little. What is the story about the 700? Could it be the age? *andy* From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Aug 14 19:04:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:04:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] it lives! Message-ID: Andy, Really Fried - can be translated as a collection of small problems. Be methodical and be prepared to learn new skills as you go. Don't assume anything. Draw up a plan and ask nicely of Ron / Kannan / Tom Etc for pointers. I hope you can save it. Good Luck, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Aug 14 20:23:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:23:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? Message-ID: Andy, I would, in my ignorance, assume that rubber replacements would be a challenge. Capacitors apparently do not generally cause issues like the occasional later decks. Metal capability would put me off. Microphone inputs could be advantageous. Manual record head azimuth adjustment is a plus. To me though, it's ugly. A very good deck compared to others in it's time and even today if it works well. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 14 21:33:59 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:33:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: <081420071248.14742.46C1A4B4000476CB0000399622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: The 700 doesn't sell for much because it is old. That being said, it is the best looking, most substantial (save for the 1000), and very well suited for playback. Looks are a matter of opinion, but I find it still causes a "double take" when you see one. Nothing short of a ZXL catches the eye like the 700. Its transport has flywheels that weight more than most Japanese decks-the entire deck- giving the 700 very low wow and flutter. Dolby B is precisely matched using discrete parts. Meters are true, professional VU. Motors are oversized and the mechanism uses thick, plated metal. It is limited by being optimized for chrome tape. The heads do not have the dynamic range of later crystalloy, but the record azimuth calibration is easy and trouble free. The 700 was $700 in 1973, and it settled the argument that cassettes could be a high fidelity medium. There is a wired remote on eBay right now. You can tell I am partial to the deck. It will do a fine job playing your metal tapes (in 70uSec position). Let us know what you hear! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? I recently won the bidding on a fairly clean Nakamichi 700 (not the 700 II). I am waiting for this deck to arrive. I didn't even really mean to win the auction, but since bidding had only reached $5.00 with just a few hours left, I entered a "joke" bid of $50.00...and wound up winning the deck for just over $45.00!!! I did some checking, and it seems that the 700 really doesn't sell for much at all. Why is this? I know that it is not able to play metal tapes, but I would have thought that a 3-head, dual-capstan deck like this one would sell for at least a bit more. And it's so good looking, as well! I'm not complaining about the low price I paid, that's for sure. But it seems strange that such a nice deck would sell for so little. What is the story about the 700? Could it be the age? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 14 21:40:12 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:40:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording Message-ID: <081420071940.22692.46C2051B000F19CB000058A422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> As you all my remember from my comments a few days ago, my 682ZX won't auto-calibrate. No big deal, I said to myself, because it still made good recordings. Well, it looks like I will be working on my 682ZX even sooner than I thought. I went to do some recording with it last night, but now there is a new problem: The only thing that is recorded is a low rumble, mainly on the left channel. Whilst recording, if I flip the tape monitor switch to "Source" I hear the source just fine, but when I flip the switch to "Tape" all I hear is the low rumble, and that's exactly what is recorded. What could the problem be? I tried flipping the Tape Monitor switch back and forth a few times, but it didn't help. *andy* From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 22:15:56 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:15:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: <081420071248.14742.46C1A4B4000476CB0000399622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <081420071248.14742.46C1A4B4000476CB0000399622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Congrats on your amazing bid! The 700 is a swell deck, if I hadnt bought a 1000 I was going to buy a 700 but ended deciding to spend the extra $$$ to get the topflight 1000. I think what hurts the 700's price is many things. Its not as well known as the other models. I've heard people gripe about the oddball sideways loading of the 700. It doesnt have the legendary status of the Dragon. It gets a bad rap for unreliability that is unfair. It doesnt have Dolby C or metal tape, altho' I dont like metal tapes myself and its hard to find a good Dolby C so I never cared about those things. Yeah, maybe the age has something to do with it,l look at the prices for other 1970's Naks like 600 or 500 and they dont go for much but the 550 portable does and the 1000 seems to maintain a good price. Enjoy your 700! What a swell deck! If you decide you dont want it I bet Kermit would buy it off you. He likes all those oldest kind of decks. On 8/14/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > I recently won the bidding on a fairly clean Nakamichi 700 (not the 700 > II). I am waiting for this deck to arrive. > > I didn't even really mean to win the auction, but since bidding had only > reached $5.00 with just a few hours left, I entered a "joke" bid of > $50.00...and wound up winning the deck for just over $45.00!!! > > I did some checking, and it seems that the 700 really doesn't sell for > much at all. > > Why is this? > > I know that it is not able to play metal tapes, but I would have thought > that a 3-head, dual-capstan deck like this one would sell for at least a bit > more. And it's so good looking, as well! > > I'm not complaining about the low price I paid, that's for sure. But it > seems strange that such a nice deck would sell for so little. > > What is the story about the 700? Could it be the age? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 15 15:43:01 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:43:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording In-Reply-To: <081420071940.22692.46C2051B000F19CB000058A422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think the orange caps in the play amp and dolby are giving problems. Usually we see only one channel. You must be living right! You might also tighten the pc board screws that secure the boards to the steel chassis. This is an electrical ground path. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording As you all my remember from my comments a few days ago, my 682ZX won't auto-calibrate. No big deal, I said to myself, because it still made good recordings. Well, it looks like I will be working on my 682ZX even sooner than I thought. I went to do some recording with it last night, but now there is a new problem: The only thing that is recorded is a low rumble, mainly on the left channel. Whilst recording, if I flip the tape monitor switch to "Source" I hear the source just fine, but when I flip the switch to "Tape" all I hear is the low rumble, and that's exactly what is recorded. What could the problem be? I tried flipping the Tape Monitor switch back and forth a few times, but it didn't help. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Aug 16 13:51:28 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:51:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Cassette Deck? LOL Message-ID: <081620071151.26465.46C43A40000114620000676122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Something makes me want to bid on this, just to see it work. Holy cow! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300142271999&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT&refitem=300142268147&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget From lenaw at flash.net Wed Aug 15 05:07:15 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <735264.83546.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: I have the same feeling like yours on the 700. I saw one in the 70s when I was a young kid and I told myself that I will own one someday. I did bought a used one in the late 90s. Well, I paid $200 for it at that time because the deck is in mint condition with its original double boxes and wired remote control. There is not a scratch at all on the Al. front panel and the wooden case and all functions work. It has that modern look that really depends on whether you like how it look or not. I do, but some might not so it is very subjective. Yes, it cannot play metal. I consider it playback chrome tapes wonderfully. Yes, it does not has the pad lifter so the head might wear out faster but I did not use it that much nowaday so it might still last for quite a while. Its frequency response and W&F are considered right at the top in its time ( 1974 ). Also I found out that it is meaingless to compare decks that are designed in different era. For example, how can you expect a deck designed in the 70s that has frequency response over 20kHz while the best you can get is only up to 15kHz. If we can hear a 1000ZXL in 1974 then all those science friction dreams will come true. Overall I consider the 700 as a very good looking and sounding deck. You can still use metal particle Type-II tape on this machine ( i.e. TDK HX-S, DENON HD-8, etc. etc ). You never know because it might be very expensive ten years from now while its colelctor value might outrun how it works. Best Regards, Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: The 700 doesn't sell for much because it is old. That being said, it is the best looking, most substantial (save for the 1000), and very well suited for playback. Looks are a matter of opinion, but I find it still causes a "double take" when you see one. Nothing short of a ZXL catches the eye like the 700. Its transport has flywheels that weight more than most Japanese decks-the entire deck- giving the 700 very low wow and flutter. Dolby B is precisely matched using discrete parts. Meters are true, professional VU. Motors are oversized and the mechanism uses thick, plated metal. It is limited by being optimized for chrome tape. The heads do not have the dynamic range of later crystalloy, but the record azimuth calibration is easy and trouble free. The 700 was $700 in 1973, and it settled the argument that cassettes could be a high fidelity medium. There is a wired remote on eBay right now. You can tell I am partial to the deck. It will do a fine job playing your metal tapes (in 70uSec position). Let us know what you hear! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? I recently won the bidding on a fairly clean Nakamichi 700 (not the 700 II). I am waiting for this deck to arrive. I didn't even really mean to win the auction, but since bidding had only reached $5.00 with just a few hours left, I entered a "joke" bid of $50.00...and wound up winning the deck for just over $45.00!!! I did some checking, and it seems that the 700 really doesn't sell for much at all. Why is this? I know that it is not able to play metal tapes, but I would have thought that a 3-head, dual-capstan deck like this one would sell for at least a bit more. And it's so good looking, as well! I'm not complaining about the low price I paid, that's for sure. But it seems strange that such a nice deck would sell for so little. What is the story about the 700? Could it be the age? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 08:25:52 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording In-Reply-To: <081420071940.22692.46C2051B000F19CB000058A422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <800007.57127.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like a bad orange cap in the playback amplifier or possibly in the dolby decoder. SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: As you all my remember from my comments a few days ago, my 682ZX won't auto-calibrate. No big deal, I said to myself, because it still made good recordings. Well, it looks like I will be working on my 682ZX even sooner than I thought. I went to do some recording with it last night, but now there is a new problem: The only thing that is recorded is a low rumble, mainly on the left channel. Whilst recording, if I flip the tape monitor switch to "Source" I hear the source just fine, but when I flip the switch to "Tape" all I hear is the low rumble, and that's exactly what is recorded. What could the problem be? I tried flipping the Tape Monitor switch back and forth a few times, but it didn't help. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Aug 15 11:57:02 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:57:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel Message-ID: <005701c7df22$a96c07e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Check out picture no. 6 (of 10) from Ebay item 330155788081 Says more than many words about tape travel... He must have used a tape partly cut open to allow this. By the way: I remem- ber someone on this list explaining how to this - or am I wrong? Best Regards, Per From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Aug 15 12:22:43 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:22:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? References: <081420071248.14742.46C1A4B4000476CB0000399622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a701c7df26$400f3c00$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Andy, What a good score.!! I can only endorse these decks...massive, heavy and solid. They are great playback machines and recording isn't half bad either. In this day and age, post metal, there is no disadvantage there and for me Dolby C always 'sucked' and I only use Dolby B anyway to retain playback compatibility across my range of Naks. Hopefully yours will be a good one, but they are quite repairable if you know a Tech with a heart! cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? > > I recently won the bidding on a fairly clean Nakamichi 700 (not the 700 > II). I am waiting for this deck to arrive. > > I didn't even really mean to win the auction, but since bidding had only > reached $5.00 with just a few hours left, I entered a "joke" bid of > $50.00...and wound up winning the deck for just over $45.00!!! > > I did some checking, and it seems that the 700 really doesn't sell for > much at all. > > Why is this? > > I know that it is not able to play metal tapes, but I would have thought > that a 3-head, dual-capstan deck like this one would sell for at least a > bit more. And it's so good looking, as well! > > I'm not complaining about the low price I paid, that's for sure. But it > seems strange that such a nice deck would sell for so little. > > What is the story about the 700? Could it be the age? > > > *andy* > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 06:27:32 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel In-Reply-To: <005701c7df22$a96c07e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <849203.58472.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, he used the Nakamichi DA09011A which is shown in the last picture, bottom tape on the left column. SJ Per wrote: Hi, Check out picture no. 6 (of 10) from Ebay item 330155788081 Says more than many words about tape travel... He must have used a tape partly cut open to allow this. By the way: I remem- ber someone on this list explaining how to this - or am I wrong? Best Regards, Per ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 06:10:32 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:10:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel In-Reply-To: <005701c7df22$a96c07e0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <005701c7df22$a96c07e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <4b6f92900708162110i1df2f7d8k88c33826a28797db@mail.gmail.com> The 'tape travel' test tape is cut away and has a mirror just for this purpose. A very useful test tape! Willy On 8/15/07, Per wrote: > > Hi, > > Check out picture no. 6 (of 10) from Ebay item 330155788081 > Says more than many words about tape travel... He must have > used a tape partly cut open to allow this. By the way: I remem- > ber someone on this list explaining how to this - or am I wrong? > > Best Regards, > > Per > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Aug 17 17:45:20 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:45:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording Message-ID: Andy, PB Caps are C125 C135, C225, C235. They're 0.033uF, 100V, 5% Tolerance. Check these first. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Aug 17 14:56:19 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:56:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: <735264.83546.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735264.83546.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46C59AF3.3070605@snet.net> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from possible additional head wear, the 700 should play metal fine as the playback eq is the same 70us that chrome uses, Is this not true? Ed From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 17 15:36:32 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:36:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel In-Reply-To: <005701c7df22$a96c07e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: Tape travel cassettes are primarily troubleshooting tools. When one of the many causes of tape curl causes the left channel to fade out, the mirror cassette (tape travel) can demonstrate the problem instantly. The mirror is also useful to confirm that there is no dirt at the pad lifter. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Per Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:57 AM To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel Hi, Check out picture no. 6 (of 10) from Ebay item 330155788081 Says more than many words about tape travel... He must have used a tape partly cut open to allow this. By the way: I remem- ber someone on this list explaining how to this - or am I wrong? Best Regards, Per ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 17 17:47:09 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:47:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Non-nak parts search- Conniseur (Sugden BD1 part) Message-ID: Can any of our members recommend a source for Sugden turntable parts? We need a rubber motor mount. I can't seem to find the Bowers and Wilkin's service department web link any more. Thank you. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 16:06:08 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:06:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Has Stopped Recording Message-ID: <081720071406.7258.46C5AB500005737D00001C5A22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Thanks for your input, Tom. I haven't started digging into the deck yet (I have to excavate it from my audio rack first), but I strongly suspect it might be nothing more than a bad or dirty connection. I don't know if I mentioned this to you yet or not, but during recording, you can briefly hear very short bursts of sound, as if the deck is trying to record properly. But the thing that tells me it could be caps is the fact that it worked perfectly a couple of weeks ago and has just started having this problem when it was turned on after those two weeks of inactivity. *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 17 15:21:30 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Cassette Deck? LOL In-Reply-To: <081620071151.26465.46C43A40000114620000676122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <36065.68198.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually AIWA has one also which is much more elaborated and advanced ( AD-WX99 ) . hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Something makes me want to bid on this, just to see it work. Holy cow! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300142271999&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT&refitem=300142268147&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Aug 17 18:09:52 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:09:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? 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URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 18 01:01:13 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:01:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements Message-ID: Several months ago bass response was discussed in the ZXL vs. 680 debate. I took this opportunity to measure Ram's 680ZX and thought I'd share the results. serial 13723, unmodified TDK SA tape vintage 1982 reference level was -2dB at 400 Hz all measurements relative to -2: Frequency Hz level dB input level dB 400 +0.0 0.0 300 +0.3 0.0 200 +0.5 0.0 100 +0.5 0.0 80 +0.5 0.0 50 +0.2 0.0 40 +0.3 0.0 35 0.0 0.0 30 -0.5 -0.1 27 -0.5 -0.1 24 -0.2 -0.2 20 0.0 -0.4 18 -0.2 -0.4 16 -0.5 -0.5 14 -1.0 -0.5 12 -2.5 -0.7 10 -4.5 -1.0 ref -20dB high frequency roll off, worst channel was -3dB at 24kHz, 0.0 at 20kHz A few observations: overall response is 16-20kHz +- 0.5dB Bass roll of below 12Hz appears by design. The input amplifiers also exhibit a rolloff, in effect the tape response would be a bit flatter if the input amps were better. I tried to find head bumps. These are peaks in bass response that are a function of the record head shape. While I suspect there may be bumps at 20,40 and 80 hz, the tiny boost in amplitude can hardly be called a "bump". The ZXL has a low frequency equalizer to calibrate bass response +- 0.5dB. The 680ZX does this without a special equalizer! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 17 19:11:22 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <160152.5646.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess Playback might be fine but not Recording. Correct me if this is not right. Thanks. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from possible additional head wear, the 700 should play metal fine as the playback eq is the same 70us that chrome uses, Is this not true? You're right in my book.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From packratt at erols.com Sat Aug 18 03:36:37 2007 From: packratt at erols.com (packratt at erols.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:36:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] e-mail change Message-ID: <46C64D25.90500@erols.com> Sorry about the OT I sent this message a week ago to mailman at naks.com with no response. How can I change the e-mail address that receives messages from the forum? Thanks Le From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 17 18:49:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? In-Reply-To: <46C59AF3.3070605@snet.net> References: <735264.83546.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46C59AF3.3070605@snet.net> Message-ID: <46C5D19C.9000909@rcn.com> Edward Noyes wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from possible additional head wear, > the 700 should play metal fine as the playback eq is the same 70us that > chrome uses, Is this not true? > > Ed Yea, but it will not record or erase metal tapes. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 17 18:54:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:54:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C5D2C5.5000402@rcn.com> Following a suggestion of a member here, I made one of these cassettes for myself. I found that the mirror -- while a nice thing to have -- is by no means essential on Sankyo transports. The tape path is easily viewable without it. The tape traveling cassette is easily made, it only took a few minutes. -- Ron hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Tape travel cassettes are primarily troubleshooting tools. When one of the > many causes of tape curl causes the left channel to fade out, the mirror > cassette (tape travel) can demonstrate the problem instantly. The mirror is > also useful to confirm that there is no dirt at the pad lifter. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Per > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:57 AM > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] Tape travel > > > Hi, > > Check out picture no. 6 (of 10) from Ebay item 330155788081 > Says more than many words about tape travel... He must have > used a tape partly cut open to allow this. By the way: I remem- > ber someone on this list explaining how to this - or am I wrong? > > Best Regards, > > Per > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 18 03:49:34 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:49:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements Message-ID: <1A3A8DD9-266B-4428-9187-DFF4E93A21D7@alumni.caltech.edu> Nice numbers!-kby From lenaw at flash.net Sat Aug 18 05:00:40 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545424.20694.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to offical Nakamichi specification, the frequency response are: 680ZX: 10Hz to 22kHz ( ZX, SX, EX ) @ -20db Record Level 660/670ZX: 10Hz to 22kHz ( ZX ) @ -20db Record Level 10Hz to 20kHz ( SX, EX ) @ -20db Record Level This is published numbers from Nakamichi. So real-world measurement could be much better as somebody has pointed out over here in the past as Nakamichi is conservative in this area. Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Several months ago bass response was discussed in the ZXL vs. 680 debate. I took this opportunity to measure Ram's 680ZX and thought I'd share the results. serial 13723, unmodified TDK SA tape vintage 1982 reference level was -2dB at 400 Hz all measurements relative to -2: Frequency Hz level dB input level dB 400 +0.0 0.0 300 +0.3 0.0 200 +0.5 0.0 100 +0.5 0.0 80 +0.5 0.0 50 +0.2 0.0 40 +0.3 0.0 35 0.0 0.0 30 -0.5 -0.1 27 -0.5 -0.1 24 -0.2 -0.2 20 0.0 -0.4 18 -0.2 -0.4 16 -0.5 -0.5 14 -1.0 -0.5 12 -2.5 -0.7 10 -4.5 -1.0 ref -20dB high frequency roll off, worst channel was -3dB at 24kHz, 0.0 at 20kHz A few observations: overall response is 16-20kHz +- 0.5dB Bass roll of below 12Hz appears by design. The input amplifiers also exhibit a rolloff, in effect the tape response would be a bit flatter if the input amps were better. I tried to find head bumps. These are peaks in bass response that are a function of the record head shape. While I suspect there may be bumps at 20,40 and 80 hz, the tiny boost in amplitude can hardly be called a "bump". The ZXL has a low frequency equalizer to calibrate bass response +- 0.5dB. The 680ZX does this without a special equalizer! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Aug 18 08:36:29 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:36:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good? Message-ID: Hello Ed, YES...you are 100% corect! Good luck,ALEX! > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:56:19 -0400> From: enoyes at snet.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 - No Good?> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from possible additional head wear, > the 700 should play metal fine as the playback eq is the same 70us that > chrome uses, Is this not true?> > Ed> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 16:03:36 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:03:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: 682ZX Won't Record Message-ID: <081820071403.27120.46C6FC38000B883F000069F022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Just before removing the 682ZX from my audio rack, I tried recording once again. This time, I did not hear any rumble at all, but the level meters looked the same as they did when the rumble occurred...they both registered very low fluctuations, around -30dB or so. I used a tape that I had previously recorded some music on. I tried recording off of the radio. When I listened back to the tape after trying to record on it, the radio did not get recorded at all, and I could still faintly hear the previously-recorded music, but the level of the music was now greatly diminished. One question that immediately sprang to mind: How completely does the erase head erase a tape? I would have thought that it should be a complete erasure, but I could very well be wrong. One thing is now certain: The record head is now completely non-functional. A good Naktalk friend says it might be the bias oscillator, so I guess that will be one of the culprits I should take a look at. Tom and Scott both think that there is a bad cap in the playback amp or dolby decoder -- but the deck plays perfectly with both Dolby B & C. Am I missing something here? *andy* From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Aug 18 18:39:34 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:39:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: 682ZX Won't Record Message-ID: <5498C745-64CD-4C69-85EB-AC556815A440@alumni.caltech.edu> > One question that immediately sprang to mind: How completely does > the erase head erase a tape? I would have thought that it should be > a complete erasure, but I could very well be wrong. One thing is > now certain: The record head is now completely non-functional. Now it sounds like [a] bad cap[s] in the bias oscillator, which I think (but I'm not sure) is the same as the erase oscillator on this machine (some are separate some are the same)-- it is more likely to be the same if there is NOT independent bias adjusment for each channel either user or auto. For the purposes of this discussion the erasure should be complete. If you're comparing to a bulk eraser, then maybe it's not "complete". 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I remember someone a while back recommending the 1000ZXL on the basis that it's low-frequency response could be observed in the inaudible throbbing of his woofers, a fact I found laughable, as that's exactly how you can blow out your speakers. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Aug 19 14:59:30 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:59:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: 682ZX Won't Record Message-ID: <081920071259.14184.46C83EB20009603D0000376822155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> My 682ZX has six bias adjustment pots -- two Left and Right pots for each tape type. I'm starting to wonder if this machine could not auto-calibrate because of the bias caps starting to go bad -- in other words, maybe the auto-calibrate problem actually has the same cause as the non-record problem?!? *andy* From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Aug 19 21:19:04 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:19:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Non-nak parts search- Conniseur (Sugden BD1 part) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C897A8.2020408@whiteapple.u-net.com> Tom, I don't know how much help this is for you, but there is a small company in the UK that used to hold spares for Sugden, Goldring Lenco et al. I have an email address of *technical-and-general at fsmail.net* for them. If it helps I would be willing to purchase something for you and send it on. In respect of Bowers and Wilkins I am sure they are still at www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk. Regards. Doug Locke hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Can any of our members recommend a source for Sugden turntable parts? We > need a rubber motor mount. I can't seem to find the Bowers and Wilkin's > service department web link any more. > Thank you. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From craigsires at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 06:07:49 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:07:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... Message-ID: <5902fb8b0708192107s3f853fd9gb6d1e45495c81781@mail.gmail.com> After reading a lot alot, about my first Nakamichi, an almost mint RX-202 I bought through ebay a few weeks ago, I've come to this conclusion..The dual capstan, pad lifter "classic" Nakamichi drive is akin to the high maintenence trophy wife. Who in their right mind would spend upwards of a thousand dollars just to get a 25 year old tape deck "back to spec"? And here's another thing...There are people on ebay that are totally ripping off afficianados of not just Nakamchi, but other classic vintage stereo gear. If they don't give a return policy or guarantee- tell 'em to shine on. If they say something like.."might be an easy fix"- I think they might really mean-"Could be a boat anchor too". I really love my 202, and I'd like to have another Nakamichi, perhaps the zx7 or 9 or the Dragon in future, but I will be very careful to make sure that it hasn't been rode hard and put up wet. Regards, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Aug 20 07:37:17 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:37:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/19/2007 10:28:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, craigsires at gmail.com writes: I've come to this conclusion..The dual capstan, pad lifter "classic" Nakamichi drive is akin to the high maintenence trophy wife. Hi Craig, JFYI, the Sankyo mechanism 3 head decks (the direct drive BX-300, CR-4-5-7 and the belt drive CR-3, Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5 and DR-1) also have the dual capstan and pad lifter. They are not considered the "classic" transport and are not particularly high maintenance. The dual capstan/ pad lifter scheme greatly inproves wow-and-flutter by eliminating scrape flutter, as well as extending head life to as much as 10,000 hours by minimizing contact between tape and head, according to the Nak literature. The heads on decks which don't have the pad lifter/dual capstan mechanism wear out much more quickly. Enjoy your deck. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 20 14:37:59 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:37:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... In-Reply-To: <5902fb8b0708192107s3f853fd9gb6d1e45495c81781@mail.gmail.com> References: <5902fb8b0708192107s3f853fd9gb6d1e45495c81781@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C98B27.2070508@rcn.com> Craig Sires wrote: > After reading a lot alot, about my first Nakamichi, an almost mint > RX-202 I bought through ebay a few weeks ago, I've come to this > conclusion..The dual capstan, pad lifter "classic" Nakamichi drive is > akin to the high maintenence trophy wife. Who in their right mind would > spend upwards of a thousand dollars just to get a 25 year old tape deck > "back to spec"? Well... First, most of us do notdo spend a kilobuck for their Nak deck. For those that do, $1000 is the same as $100 to you. And whose to say what a hobby is worth to anyone? > And here's another thing...There are people on ebay > that are totally ripping off afficianados of not just Nakamchi, but > other classic vintage stereo gear. There are (many, many) people on ebay that totally rip off anyone they can, period. Not just Nakamichi, not just cassette decks, not just stereo gear -- every one! > If they don't give a return policy or guarantee- tell 'em to shine > on. Try this and you'll never again buy anything on ebay :-). > If they say something like.."might be an easy fix"- I think they > might really mean-"Could be a boat anchor too". "I plugged it in and the light came on, so I have no reason to believe it doesn't work perfectly"? That's the scammers' oldest trick in the book. But far from the only one. If this fazes you out, stay away from ebay (like, if you can't stand the smoke, stay away from the kitchen)... -- Ron > I really love my 202, and I'd like to have another Nakamichi, > perhaps the zx7 or 9 or the Dragon in future, but I will be very > careful to make sure that it hasn't been rode hard and put up wet. > Regards, Craig > From craigsires at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 15:23:28 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:23:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My RX-202...Sorry to rant too much Message-ID: <5902fb8b0708200623v35b42533i432a4c1f8a41d2da@mail.gmail.com> You are right, this is a hobby that many take pleasure in. After re-reading my email, it does come off a little bombastic! I'm just tickled to finally have a Nak. Also, most of my ebay transactions have been good even if occasionally you're rolling the dice. I've got a lot more to learn about Naks and really appreciate the knowlege shared on this board. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:19 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Non-nak parts search- Conniseur (Sugden BD1 part) Tom, I don't know how much help this is for you, but there is a small company in the UK that used to hold spares for Sugden, Goldring Lenco et al. I have an email address of *technical-and-general at fsmail.net* for them. If it helps I would be willing to purchase something for you and send it on. In respect of Bowers and Wilkins I am sure they are still at www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk. Regards. Doug Locke hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Can any of our members recommend a source for Sugden turntable parts? We > need a rubber motor mount. I can't seem to find the Bowers and Wilkin's > service department web link any more. > Thank you. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 20 15:42:28 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:42:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... In-Reply-To: <5902fb8b0708192107s3f853fd9gb6d1e45495c81781@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One purpose for the NakTalk archives is that it gives members a good accounting of possible defects in a used Nak deck. ebaY has always had a bit of danger, and everyone's bids ought to reflect the potential for some repair. The good news is that we have a handful of repair options that do not include extensive expensive restoration. And the other good news is we have many do-it-yourself solutions well documented. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Craig Sires Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... After reading a lot alot, about my first Nakamichi, an almost mint RX-202 I bought through ebay a few weeks ago, I've come to this conclusion..The dual capstan, pad lifter "classic" Nakamichi drive is akin to the high maintenence trophy wife. Who in their right mind would spend upwards of a thousand dollars just to get a 25 year old tape deck "back to spec"? And here's another thing...There are people on ebay that are totally ripping off afficianados of not just Nakamchi, but other classic vintage stereo gear. If they don't give a return policy or guarantee- tell 'em to shine on. If they say something like.."might be an easy fix"- I think they might really mean-"Could be a boat anchor too". I really love my 202, and I'd like to have another Nakamichi, perhaps the zx7 or 9 or the Dragon in future, but I will be very careful to make sure that it hasn't been rode hard and put up wet. Regards, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 20 15:51:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:51:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: 682ZX Won't Record In-Reply-To: <081820071403.27120.46C6FC38000B883F000069F022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: The low frequency noise and meter movement is a playback orange cap problem, which is masked when you play music. Your record and erase problems are a second and possibly 3rd problem. Change the two 0.0047uF caps in the bias oscillator. There is some evidence that when these leak just a bit, the bias and erase currents are reduced. Typically these caps cause catastrophic failure requiring 2 transistors and a resistor. Another possibility is severe head misalignment. Erase head height is adjustable, but more likely there may be record/play head height misadjustments. This is a case where you just have to begin at the beginning with a full head alignment. I can't think of a DIY method for confirming proper head alignment. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: 682ZX Won't Record Just before removing the 682ZX from my audio rack, I tried recording once again. This time, I did not hear any rumble at all, but the level meters looked the same as they did when the rumble occurred...they both registered very low fluctuations, around -30dB or so. I used a tape that I had previously recorded some music on. I tried recording off of the radio. When I listened back to the tape after trying to record on it, the radio did not get recorded at all, and I could still faintly hear the previously-recorded music, but the level of the music was now greatly diminished. One question that immediately sprang to mind: How completely does the erase head erase a tape? I would have thought that it should be a complete erasure, but I could very well be wrong. One thing is now certain: The record head is now completely non-functional. A good Naktalk friend says it might be the bias oscillator, so I guess that will be one of the culprits I should take a look at. Tom and Scott both think that there is a bad cap in the playback amp or dolby decoder -- but the deck plays perfectly with both Dolby B & C. Am I missing something here? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 21 00:06:41 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:06:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a thought to those who hot-rod nakamichis: If your tapes are copies of CDs, then subsonics are no longer a problem. Finding the rolloffs in the 680ZX might make a neat modification for bass freaks. There is room for an additional octave of flat bass resoponse. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 01:43:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:43:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: 700 Tri-Tracer Service Manual Message-ID: <082020072343.19346.46CA273A000CB13A00004B9222155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Does anyone know where I can get a (preferably free) download of the service manual for the 700 Tri-Tracer? I just got one of these decks and I always like to keep a service manual on hand for any deck that I have. Many thanks in advance.... *andy* From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 05:30:08 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <247759.18513.qm@web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ya know Tom that is just the reason that I bought my bx 300 first I could afford it now "not" when it came out and I think that is why there are a lot of us out there that are doing the same thing, and then factoring in the going through it calibration and what have you from some of the people that have the proper tools to do the job and doing it right and I will say that my hat is off to you for doing a great job on my BX-300 but people that buy on e-bay it's just a crap shoot. ya just don't know what you are going to receive. The archives is a invaluable tool to me to look through and see what the other nak brethren have to say about there beloved nak deck. And I hope that all that are reading this will go and take a gander and see how people treated each other with respect and kindness and fun this is what this site is all about we on naktalk have the best cassette decks ever produced. Anyway think I will go and listen to or record some music just my two penny's Thanks Wouter for a great site. hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: One purpose for the NakTalk archives is that it gives members a good accounting of possible defects in a used Nak deck. ebaY has always had a bit of danger, and everyone's bids ought to reflect the potential for some repair. The good news is that we have a handful of repair options that do not include extensive expensive restoration. And the other good news is we have many do-it-yourself solutions well documented. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Craig Sires Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 from ebay...two weeks later... After reading a lot alot, about my first Nakamichi, an almost mint RX-202 I bought through ebay a few weeks ago, I've come to this conclusion..The dual capstan, pad lifter "classic" Nakamichi drive is akin to the high maintenence trophy wife. Who in their right mind would spend upwards of a thousand dollars just to get a 25 year old tape deck "back to spec"? And here's another thing...There are people on ebay that are totally ripping off afficianados of not just Nakamchi, but other classic vintage stereo gear. If they don't give a return policy or guarantee- tell 'em to shine on. If they say something like.."might be an easy fix"- I think they might really mean-"Could be a boat anchor too". I really love my 202, and I'd like to have another Nakamichi, perhaps the zx7 or 9 or the Dragon in future, but I will be very careful to make sure that it hasn't been rode hard and put up wet. Regards, Craig ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 14:32:08 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:32:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... Message-ID: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, the 700 Tri-Tracer arrived yesterday. First of all, it wasn't packed very well at all. Basically thrown in a box with a few (just a few) styro peanuts thrown in. What was STUPID was the fact that the deck was put into the box resting on its FACE, and the bottom of the box was lined with small, flat Priority Mail boxes and maybe a handful of peanuts. I lifted the deck out and the calibration door had come off. GREAT, I thought. Right off the bat, I have a broken deck! Fortunately, that wasn't the case. The door simply had come off during shipping (here's an idea -- why not TAPE THE DOORS CLOSED?). The door snapped right back on with no problems and works perfectly. *whew!* Before I go any further, I should point out that this particular auction had all the trademarks of a typical "disappointing rip-off" auction. The photo (there was only one photo) was taken from very far away, and the item description was extremely brief...it basically just said "worked perfectly when I last used it" and the deck was no longer wanted because "I gave away all my tapes" (very convenient, since that means that no one could ask him to test it NOW). That is why I entered the "joke" bid of $50.00...and why I was surprised that I had won it. Still, I don't actually feel ripped off...or maybe I did get ripped off? Read on... The deck has several small dings in the wood and a couple of noticeable dings on the top edge of the silver face, but still looks fairly nice. The silver brushed aluminium face is dirty, but all lettering is intact, all knobs and switches are present, and they all work. Dirt is the main reason why this deck looks shabby at the moment, but I am certain that this deck will clean up VERY well and will look very classy. I plugged the deck in and turned it on. All lights work perfectly, and the VU meters look FANTASTIC! I really *love* the way they look! What a blast from the past to see VU meters again. Since I had never actually used a 700, I was curious about how the tape function buttons would feel, because they look quite different from the usual Nakamichi angled buttons. Here's where I got a very nice surprise! These buttons are a "feather touch" type that don't even seem to move when you press them, yet all of the buttons work and light up perfectly, and the feel is quite "futuristic" in that really cool retro manner. For those of you who have never used this type of button, let me tell you that it is REALLY cool. As I said, the buttons don't seem to move at all when you press them--they sort of just "sense" that you are pressing them. There is no audible click from the buttons, and you cannot see them move when you press them. But the deck never fails to do what you ask it to do. EXTREMELY COOL. I looked inside the tape area to take a look at the heads. Here's where I got VERY confused. The Tri-Tracer is a 3-head design. But the deck looks like a TWO-head deck at first glance. A big square play head and what seems to be the record head were visible, but I couldn't see the erase head. So where is the erase head? Is it next to the supply pinch roller? Has this deck been modified, or am I just too ignorant of how a Tri-Tracer is put together? (Click on link below to see photo.) http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/hwbosshoss/8b905EzEHwnc*3kPBSWb9EMHI7WAM11vSbM8v4xQp5Fd3Ig= As for playback, there is a problem because the right channel does not work. You do hear a rushing sound in the right channel whenever you turn the deck on or off, so it could be a cap problem or loose connection somewhere. I should point out that the right channel VU meter does move when the rushing sound occurs. Since it looks like I will be fooling with the playback amp of my 682ZX, I should be getting all the education I may need to address this problem! I know I may sound like a fool, but I still don't really think I was ripped off. The deck is very cool, it looks very nice, it gives me something to tinker with, and I didn't pay very much for it. But I will be upset if I find out that any of the original heads were removed! Grrrrr..... *andy* From benstratford at aol.com Tue Aug 21 14:53:52 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:53:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In-Reply-To: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C9B2097605F046-E18-D462@MBLK-M41.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy, Don't worry, the erase head is where it should be! Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 1:32 pm Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... OK, the 700 Tri-Tracer arrived yesterday. First of all, it wasn't packed very well at all. Basically thrown in a box with a few (just a few) styro peanuts thrown in. What was STUPID was the fact that the deck was put into the box resting on its FACE, and the bottom of the box was lined with small, flat Priority Mail boxes and maybe a handful of peanuts. I lifted the deck out and the calibration door had come off. GREAT, I thought. Right off the bat, I have a broken deck! Fortunately, that wasn't the case. The door simply had come off during shipping (here's an idea -- why not TAPE THE DOORS CLOSED?). The door snapped right back on with no problems and works perfectly. *whew!* Before I go any further, I should point out that this particular auction had all the trademarks of a typical "disappointing rip-off" auction. The photo (there was only one photo) was taken from very far away, and the item description was extremely brief...it basically just said "worked perfectly when I last used it" and the deck was no longer wanted because "I gave away all my tapes" (very convenient, since that means that no one could ask him to test it NOW). That is why I entered the "joke" bid of $50.00...and why I was surprised that I had won it. Still, I don't actually feel ripped off...or maybe I did get ripped off? Read on... The deck has several small dings in the wood and a couple of noticeable dings on the top edge of the silver face, but still looks fairly nice. The silver brushed aluminium face is dirty, but all lettering is intact, all knobs and switches are present, and they all work. Dirt is the main reason why this deck looks shabby at the moment, but I am certain that this deck will clean up VERY well and will look very classy. I plugged the deck in and turned it on. All lights work perfectly, and the VU meters look FANTASTIC! I really *love* the way they look! What a blast from the past to see VU meters again. Since I had never actually used a 700, I was curious about how the tape function buttons would feel, because they look quite different from the usual Nakamichi angled buttons. Here's where I got a very nice surprise! These buttons are a "feather touch" type that don't even seem to move when you press them, yet all of the buttons work and light up perfectly, and the feel is quite "futuristic" in that really cool retro manner. For those of you who have never used this type of button, let me tell you that it is REALLY cool. As I said, the buttons don't seem to move at all when you press them--they sort of just "sense" that you are pressing them. There is no audible click from the buttons, and you cannot see them move when you press them. But the deck never fails to do what you ask it to do. EXTREMELY COOL. I looked inside the tape area to take a look at the heads. Here's where I got VERY confused. The Tri-Tracer is a 3-head design. But the deck looks like a TWO-head deck at first glance. A big square play head and what seems to be the record head were visible, but I couldn't see the erase head. So where is the erase head? Is it next to the supply pinch roller? Has this deck been modified, or am I just too ignorant of how a Tri-Tracer is put together? (Click on link below to see photo.) http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/hwbosshoss/8b905EzEHwnc*3kPBSWb9EMHI7WAM11vSbM8v4xQp5Fd3Ig= As for playback, there is a problem because the right channel does not work. You do hear a rushing sound in the right channel whenever you turn the deck on or off, so it could be a cap problem or loose connection somewhere. I should point out that the right channel VU meter does move when the rushing sound occurs. Since it looks like I will be fooling with the playback amp of my 682ZX, I should be getting all the education I may need to address this problem! I know I may sound like a fool, but I still don't really think I was ripped off. The deck is very cool, it looks very nice, it gives me something to tinker with, and I didn't pay very much for it. But I will be upset if I find out that any of the original heads were removed! Grrrrr..... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 21 15:31:45 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:31:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In investigating where the circuits might be improved I discovered a flaw in my test. There was significant signal distortion below 16Hz at -2dB. I reran the test at -20dB. Measurements added in brackets are the corrected readings. The rise around 60Hz is more AC hum than tape non-linearity, in my opinion. Factory specs are 10-22kHz +-3dB. This deck is 10-24k Hz +1,-3dB with SX tape. (Nakamichi midrange is typically ruler flat with SA tape. It is rather bumpy with Sony, BASF, and AGFA type II.) Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX frequency response, with detailed bass measurements Several months ago bass response was discussed in the ZXL vs. 680 debate. I took this opportunity to measure Ram's 680ZX and thought I'd share the results. serial 13723, unmodified TDK SA tape vintage 1982 reference level was -20dB at 400 Hz Frequency Hz level dB input level dB 400 +0.0 0.0 300 +0.3 [+0.1] 0.0 200 +0.5 [+0.3] 0.0 100 +0.5 [+0.6] 0.0 80 +0.5 [+0.7] 0.0 50 +0.2 [+0.7] 0.0 40 +0.3 [+0.6] 0.0 35 0.0 [+0.3] 0.0 30 -0.5 [-0.2] -0.1 27 -0.5 [-0.2] -0.1 24 -0.2 [-0.3] -0.2 [-0.1] 20 0.0 [+0.3] -0.4 [-0.2] 18 -0.2 [+0.5] -0.4 [-0.2] 16 -0.5 [+0.4] -0.5 [-0.4] 14 -1.0 [+0.1] -0.5 [-0.5] 12 -2.5 [-1.1] -0.7 [-0.6] 10 -4.5 [-3.2] -1.0 [-0.8] ref -20dB high frequency roll off, worst channel was -3dB at 24kHz, 0.0 at 20kHz A few observations: overall response is 16-20kHz +- 0.5dB Bass roll of below 12Hz appears by design. The input amplifiers also exhibit a rolloff, in effect the tape response would be a bit flatter if the input amps were better. I tried to find head bumps. These are peaks in bass response that are a function of the record head shape. While I suspect there may be bumps at 20,40 and 80 hz, the tiny boost in amplitude can hardly be called a "bump". The ZXL has a low frequency equalizer to calibrate bass response +- 0.5dB. The 680ZX does this without a special equalizer! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 21 15:41:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:41:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In-Reply-To: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: The erase head and supply side guide are one integrated unit. This deck does have a great feel. I find the "thunk" of the head base solenoid to be pleasing. The other neat sound is the very high speed wind of FF and RW. Your channel may simply be cured by reseating and cleaning the many edge connectors, especially the middle one which connects the head wires to the circuit boards. A service manual would be a great aid in disassembly, as these are somewhat of a puzzle. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... OK, the 700 Tri-Tracer arrived yesterday. First of all, it wasn't packed very well at all. Basically thrown in a box with a few (just a few) styro peanuts thrown in. What was STUPID was the fact that the deck was put into the box resting on its FACE, and the bottom of the box was lined with small, flat Priority Mail boxes and maybe a handful of peanuts. I lifted the deck out and the calibration door had come off. GREAT, I thought. Right off the bat, I have a broken deck! Fortunately, that wasn't the case. The door simply had come off during shipping (here's an idea -- why not TAPE THE DOORS CLOSED?). The door snapped right back on with no problems and works perfectly. *whew!* Before I go any further, I should point out that this particular auction had all the trademarks of a typical "disappointing rip-off" auction. The photo (there was only one photo) was taken from very far away, and the item description was extremely brief...it basically just said "worked perfectly when I last used it" and the deck was no longer wanted because "I gave away all my tapes" (very convenient, since that means that no one could ask him to test it NOW). That is why I entered the "joke" bid of $50.00...and why I was surprised that I had won it. Still, I don't actually feel ripped off...or maybe I did get ripped off? Read on... The deck has several small dings in the wood and a couple of noticeable dings on the top edge of the silver face, but still looks fairly nice. The silver brushed aluminium face is dirty, but all lettering is intact, all knobs and switches are present, and they all work. Dirt is the main reason why this deck looks shabby at the moment, but I am certain that this deck will clean up VERY well and will look very classy. I plugged the deck in and turned it on. All lights work perfectly, and the VU meters look FANTASTIC! I really *love* the way they look! What a blast from the past to see VU meters again. Since I had never actually used a 700, I was curious about how the tape function buttons would feel, because they look quite different from the usual Nakamichi angled buttons. Here's where I got a very nice surprise! These buttons are a "feather touch" type that don't even seem to move when you press them, yet all of the buttons work and light up perfectly, and the feel is quite "futuristic" in that really cool retro manner. For those of you who have never used this type of button, let me tell you that it is REALLY cool. As I said, the buttons don't seem to move at all when you press them--they sort of just "sense" that you are pressing them. There is no audible click from the buttons, and you cannot see them move when you press them. But the deck never fails to do what you ask it to do. EXTREMELY COOL. I looked inside the tape area to take a look at the heads. Here's where I got VERY confused. The Tri-Tracer is a 3-head design. But the deck looks like a TWO-head deck at first glance. A big square play head and what seems to be the record head were visible, but I couldn't see the erase head. So where is the erase head? Is it next to the supply pinch roller? Has this deck been modified, or am I just too ignorant of how a Tri-Tracer is put together? (Click on link below to see photo.) http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/hwbosshoss/8b905EzEHwnc*3kPBSWb9EMHI7WAM11 vSbM8v4xQp5Fd3Ig= As for playback, there is a problem because the right channel does not work. You do hear a rushing sound in the right channel whenever you turn the deck on or off, so it could be a cap problem or loose connection somewhere. I should point out that the right channel VU meter does move when the rushing sound occurs. Since it looks like I will be fooling with the playback amp of my 682ZX, I should be getting all the education I may need to address this problem! I know I may sound like a fool, but I still don't really think I was ripped off. The deck is very cool, it looks very nice, it gives me something to tinker with, and I didn't pay very much for it. But I will be upset if I find out that any of the original heads were removed! Grrrrr..... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 21 16:24:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:24:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In-Reply-To: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082120071232.12333.46CADB48000D6E490000302D22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46CAF58B.8050600@rcn.com> I owned a 700 for several years and all that time it had 3 heads. 'Worked last time it was used' is an ebay euphemism. Translated into English it means, 'I know there is something wrong with it, but I don't want to mention details'. Yet, knowing that beforehand and assuming you understand the language, you were not ripped off. You paid more or less what the deck is worth: if you can fix it yourself, it was a good deal; if you can't, well, it wasn't. Once you have it running correctly, you will find that it's a very nice deck. Excellent sound, (rare) variable pitch capability. I was thinking of bidding myself, except that I sold my service manual a long time ago and even with the manual, it's not the easiest deck to work on. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, the 700 Tri-Tracer arrived yesterday. > > First of all, it wasn't packed very well at all. Basically thrown in a box with a few (just a few) styro peanuts thrown in. > > What was STUPID was the fact that the deck was put into the box resting on its FACE, and the bottom of the box was lined with small, flat Priority Mail boxes and maybe a handful of peanuts. > > I lifted the deck out and the calibration door had come off. > > GREAT, I thought. Right off the bat, I have a broken deck! > > Fortunately, that wasn't the case. The door simply had come off during shipping (here's an idea -- why not TAPE THE DOORS CLOSED?). The door snapped right back on with no problems and works perfectly. > > *whew!* > > Before I go any further, I should point out that this particular auction had all the trademarks of a typical "disappointing rip-off" auction. The photo (there was only one photo) was taken from very far away, and the item description was extremely brief...it basically just said "worked perfectly when I last used it" and the deck was no longer wanted because "I gave away all my tapes" (very convenient, since that means that no one could ask him to test it NOW). > > That is why I entered the "joke" bid of $50.00...and why I was surprised that I had won it. > > Still, I don't actually feel ripped off...or maybe I did get ripped off? Read on... > > The deck has several small dings in the wood and a couple of noticeable dings on the top edge of the silver face, but still looks fairly nice. The silver brushed aluminium face is dirty, but all lettering is intact, all knobs and switches are present, and they all work. Dirt is the main reason why this deck looks shabby at the moment, but I am certain that this deck will clean up VERY well and will look very classy. > > I plugged the deck in and turned it on. All lights work perfectly, and the VU meters look FANTASTIC! I really *love* the way they look! What a blast from the past to see VU meters again. > > Since I had never actually used a 700, I was curious about how the tape function buttons would feel, because they look quite different from the usual Nakamichi angled buttons. > > Here's where I got a very nice surprise! > > These buttons are a "feather touch" type that don't even seem to move when you press them, yet all of the buttons work and light up perfectly, and the feel is quite "futuristic" in that really cool retro manner. For those of you who have never used this type of button, let me tell you that it is REALLY cool. As I said, the buttons don't seem to move at all when you press them--they sort of just "sense" that you are pressing them. There is no audible click from the buttons, and you cannot see them move when you press them. But the deck never fails to do what you ask it to do. EXTREMELY COOL. > > I looked inside the tape area to take a look at the heads. Here's where I got VERY confused. The Tri-Tracer is a 3-head design. But the deck looks like a TWO-head deck at first glance. > > A big square play head and what seems to be the record head were visible, but I couldn't see the erase head. > > So where is the erase head? Is it next to the supply pinch roller? > > Has this deck been modified, or am I just too ignorant of how a Tri-Tracer is put together? > > (Click on link below to see photo.) > > http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/hwbosshoss/8b905EzEHwnc*3kPBSWb9EMHI7WAM11vSbM8v4xQp5Fd3Ig= > > As for playback, there is a problem because the right channel does not work. You do hear a rushing sound in the right channel whenever you turn the deck on or off, so it could be a cap problem or loose connection somewhere. I should point out that the right channel VU meter does move when the rushing sound occurs. > > Since it looks like I will be fooling with the playback amp of my 682ZX, I should be getting all the education I may need to address this problem! > > I know I may sound like a fool, but I still don't really think I was ripped off. The deck is very cool, it looks very nice, it gives me something to tinker with, and I didn't pay very much for it. > > But I will be upset if I find out that any of the original heads were removed! Grrrrr..... > > > *andy* > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Aug 21 19:10:26 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:10:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/21/2007 7:10:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: This deck does have a great feel. I find the "thunk" of the head base solenoid to be pleasing. Hi Tom, Apparently, Nakamichi wasn't pleased with it. >From the BX-300 Nak promo brochure - "The BX-300 features Nakamichi's 'Silent Mechanism' in which a microprocessor-controlled Motor-Driven Cam replaces conventional solenoids. There's no mechanical shock to upset head alignment..." and from the BX-1&2 brochure "Compared with conventional solenoids, the Motor-Driven Cam has several advantages. It consumes power only when changing modes and so generates less heat. This helps improve reliability. It positions the heads rapidly but more gently than a solenoid plunger and so helps maintain long-term head alignment. And just before the heads contact the tape, the mechanism slows down to prevent tape damage - a feat no ordinary solenoid can perform! The Motor-Driven Cam also generates less vibration and noise than a solenoid which helps minimize flutter and the chance of head misalignment." all the best Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 14:47:38 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:47:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer...Additional Thoughts... Message-ID: <082220071247.14079.46CC306A000D0777000036FF22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have popped the wooden case off and taken a look around. After using DeOxit on all of the pots, switches, and edge connectors I could see, there is still quite a bit of noise and volume fluctuation, especially in the right channel. However, this noise and fluctuation is not consistent. The deck can play perfectly well for several minutes before I hear anything rude, but then it can also be rude quite a few times in the next few minutes, before going back to normal behaviour. I will be digging further into the deck, concentrating on cleaning the connector that Tom has mentioned--the one that connects the head wires to the rest of the circuitry. But at this stage, it's looking more and more like (a) faulty cap(s). Shouldn't be too big a deal to find, once my ESR meter gets here. One more thing: This has to be the most awesomely complicated cassette transport I have *ever* seen! And Tom, you are so right! Those flywheels are MASSIVE! All in all, I don't feel ripped off...the deck is over 30 years old for crying out loud, and besides, I like tinkering! :-) *andy* From enoyes at snet.net Wed Aug 22 14:55:20 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:55:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CC3238.2080701@snet.net> While the facts mentioned may be true, none of the effects or problems (i.e.: tape damage, alignment issues, etc.) have ever been an issue in the time I've run my early naks. Bear in mind that the promo brochures are written by marketing people who want to be able to create as many reasons as possible why you should be dissatisfied with your 'old' deck. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/21/2007 7:10:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > hitech at bellsouth.net writes: > > This deck does have a great feel. I find the "thunk" of the head base > solenoid to be pleasing. > > Hi Tom, > > Apparently, Nakamichi wasn't pleased with it. > > From the BX-300 Nak promo brochure - > "The BX-300 features Nakamichi's 'Silent Mechanism' in which a > microprocessor-controlled Motor-Driven Cam replaces conventional > solenoids. There's no mechanical shock to upset head alignment..." > > and from the BX-1&2 brochure > "Compared with conventional solenoids, the Motor-Driven Cam has > several advantages. It consumes power only when changing modes and so > generates less heat. This helps improve reliability. It positions > the heads rapidly but more gently than a solenoid plunger and so helps > maintain long-term head alignment. And just before the heads contact > the tape, the mechanism slows down to prevent tape damage - a feat no > ordinary solenoid can perform! The Motor-Driven Cam also generates > less vibration and noise than a solenoid which helps minimize flutter > and the chance of head misalignment." > > all the best > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 22 16:34:01 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:34:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow, neat stuff. In the reel to reel world the solenoids always have a positive "clack" sound. The 700 was a more muted "thunk". Tandberg TCD330 was the "clack". Thunk seems more elegant than clack. This is an example of high class engineering. Vibration energies must be disappated somewhere. The head adjustment screws are as likely a place as anywhere. I remember the 600-II had serious problems keeping its azimuth screw in one place. It HAD to have lock paint in a visible blob to keep it from turning "by itself". Mode cams did dominate the hi end cassette market, and all 2nd generation VCR and Camcorder mechanisms. Was the Nakamichi the first mode cam??? The 580 hit the US in 1978...and I began to repair in 1978. I must be a child of the mode cam. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... In a message dated 8/21/2007 7:10:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: This deck does have a great feel. I find the "thunk" of the head base solenoid to be pleasing. Hi Tom, Apparently, Nakamichi wasn't pleased with it. From the BX-300 Nak promo brochure - "The BX-300 features Nakamichi's 'Silent Mechanism' in which a microprocessor-controlled Motor-Driven Cam replaces conventional solenoids. There's no mechanical shock to upset head alignment..." and from the BX-1&2 brochure "Compared with conventional solenoids, the Motor-Driven Cam has several advantages. It consumes power only when changing modes and so generates less heat. This helps improve reliability. It positions the heads rapidly but more gently than a solenoid plunger and so helps maintain long-term head alignment. And just before the heads contact the tape, the mechanism slows down to prevent tape damage - a feat no ordinary solenoid can perform! The Motor-Driven Cam also generates less vibration and noise than a solenoid which helps minimize flutter and the chance of head misalignment." all the best Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Aug 22 17:22:27 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:22:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Got The 700 Tri-Tracer...First Thoughts... Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/2007 7:38:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: In the reel to reel world the solenoids always have a positive "clack" sound. The 700 was a more muted "thunk". Tandberg TCD330 was the "clack". Thunk seems more elegant than clack. This is an example of high class engineering. Vibration energies must be disappated somewhere. The head adjustment screws are as likely a place as anywhere. I remember the 600-II had serious problems keeping its azimuth screw in one place. It HAD to have lock paint in a visible blob to keep it from turning "by itself". Hey Tom, So you're saying you're more of a "thunk" guy than a "clack" guy? JW ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Aug 23 01:54:01 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:54:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer...SORTED!!! Message-ID: <082220072354.21239.46CCCC9900052A70000052F722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> All Hail DeOxit!!! When I first took the wooden cover off of the 700, I managed to thoroughly apply DeOxit (regular and gold) on a few of the tab connectors that were visible, as well as the front panel switches and pots. But the problems--low frequency rumbling and rather loud static spikes, mainly in the right channel--still persisted. But I knew that there had to be more connectors deeper inside the machine. I removed the main circuit board and applied both types of DeOxit to all of the other tab connectors. This included connections to the playback amplifier and both Dolby boards, plus the two tabs that connected all of the front panel controls to the rest of the circuitry. BINGO! It's as if this 700 has become a different deck entirely! Preliminary tests have been super. All noise has stopped, and both channels sound as clear as a bell. In fact, I was struck by just how quiet this deck is...even with Dolby off!!! I have played a couple of tapes so far, and everything sounds and works like new. (knocking on wood furiously!) I know this deck is very primitive compared to my ZX-9, ZX-7, 682ZX, and CR-7a decks, but I'm really warming up to this (not so) little guy. It will never sound as sophisticated as those decks, but there is still something very satisfying about the 700's distinctively retro look, feel, and sound. I really like it, and I think it's going to become my main deck for listening to books on tape. Fingers crossed.... *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Thu Aug 23 15:03:45 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer...SORTED!!! In-Reply-To: <082220072354.21239.46CCCC9900052A70000052F722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <72633.38532.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy: No matter how it sounds compared with other Naks, the 700 always has its distinctive look that makes it standout by itself among all the Naks. Even if my 700 quits working someday, I will still keep mine. Cheers. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: All Hail DeOxit!!! When I first took the wooden cover off of the 700, I managed to thoroughly apply DeOxit (regular and gold) on a few of the tab connectors that were visible, as well as the front panel switches and pots. But the problems--low frequency rumbling and rather loud static spikes, mainly in the right channel--still persisted. But I knew that there had to be more connectors deeper inside the machine. I removed the main circuit board and applied both types of DeOxit to all of the other tab connectors. This included connections to the playback amplifier and both Dolby boards, plus the two tabs that connected all of the front panel controls to the rest of the circuitry. BINGO! It's as if this 700 has become a different deck entirely! Preliminary tests have been super. All noise has stopped, and both channels sound as clear as a bell. In fact, I was struck by just how quiet this deck is...even with Dolby off!!! I have played a couple of tapes so far, and everything sounds and works like new. (knocking on wood furiously!) I know this deck is very primitive compared to my ZX-9, ZX-7, 682ZX, and CR-7a decks, but I'm really warming up to this (not so) little guy. It will never sound as sophisticated as those decks, but there is still something very satisfying about the 700's distinctively retro look, feel, and sound. I really like it, and I think it's going to become my main deck for listening to books on tape. Fingers crossed.... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 24 03:24:33 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:24:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Does NakTalk Have Photo Hosting? Message-ID: <082420070124.25442.46CE335100033C240000636222165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was wondering if there was a way to upload photos to NakTalk. Every time I open one of my decks up, I always take photos of the progress, and I was thinking that these photos could possibly help others when working on their decks. I was just wondering about how to do this, in the spirit of "every bit of knowledge helps". Not that I have any sort of monopoly on knowledge about these decks, mind you! LOL *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 24 09:48:02 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:48:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Does NakTalk Have Photo Hosting? In-Reply-To: <082420070124.25442.46CE335100033C240000636222165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082420070124.25442.46CE335100033C240000636222165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46CE8D32.4080509@xs4all.nl> Hi Andy, No photohosting that you can upload to the site, but what you can do is email to me and i'll put it somewhere on the site. After that you could make a wiki page using the photos. What you can also do is send the photo's plus a html page describing what you did like the page Kannan made: http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ Wouter hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I was wondering if there was a way to upload photos to NakTalk. > > Every time I open one of my decks up, I always take photos of the progress, and I was thinking that these photos could possibly help others when working on their decks. > > I was just wondering about how to do this, in the spirit of "every bit of knowledge helps". > > Not that I have any sort of monopoly on knowledge about these decks, mind you! LOL > > > *andy* > From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 24 23:10:46 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:10:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? In-Reply-To: <220550.19002.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, I am trying to finish my nakTalk repairs, so I haven't looked at my parts units. Hang in there. I got your MB1 ready. It will ship UPS Monday. Its interesting to listen to. I theory it ought to have a better high end than the old OMS series, but to my ear it is about the same, with less bass life than the OMS 7. The OMS was a magical player (bass only). The MB1 has separate DACs and appears to reclock to remove jitter, but in it's heart it is a Sony. The data board looks like a Sony even though it has Nak Ics on it. The DAC board is all Nak. The front left corner of the main board had broken at some point. I did not make any makshift repairs. If you wanted to improvise a new support it might help to mechanically strengthen the board. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:20 PM To: Nak Cassette Deck list Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Aug 26 01:37:14 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <763048.80763.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom thanks for working on this - I also need a spare belt for MB2 as the tray loading is weak because of this belt. Secondly I have Dragon - it needs two things - The pinch rollar pivots need correct alignment( I removed the hardened glue- Needs head height adjustment jig to do that right( Infact I could bring to almost correct but could not adjust the nut - probably you are th correct person to do it. Secondly the when you press reverse during forward play , I could hear the surge on the playback amps ( I suspect the Muting but could not get time right now, If you can take up these two alone , rest of the alignment etc I can take care of. Let me know whether you would be having time as it is needed as quickly as within 4 weeks time. I also need you to tell me the mode of payment as well as the amount ( I can use paypal - quick and easy) I can also give you my credit card or US Postal money order as well along with a bank check MB1/ CD players are very decent player thanks and wait for the dragon door when ever you get time to look in to it Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Kannan, I am trying to finish my nakTalk repairs, so I haven't looked at my parts units. Hang in there. I got your MB1 ready. It will ship UPS Monday. Its interesting to listen to. I theory it ought to have a better high end than the old OMS series, but to my ear it is about the same, with less bass life than the OMS 7. The OMS was a magical player (bass only). The MB1 has separate DACs and appears to reclock to remove jitter, but in it's heart it is a Sony. The data board looks like a Sony even though it has Nak Ics on it. The DAC board is all Nak. The front left corner of the main board had broken at some point. I did not make any makshift repairs. If you wanted to improvise a new support it might help to mechanically strengthen the board. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:20 PM To: Nak Cassette Deck list Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Aug 26 03:18:39 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:18:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? Message-ID: <082620070118.4954.46D0D4EF000E48560000135A22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> To anyone interested: Take a look at the auction description for this 582. It records but it won't play! Hey, maybe I could combine it with my 682ZX, which will play but won't record -- together they will make up one good deck! Seriously, what could be the problem with this 582? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-582-3-Head-Cassette-Deck-for-Parts-or-Repair_W0QQitemZ300145034006QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 26 15:12:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:12:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: <082620070118.4954.46D0D4EF000E48560000135A22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082620070118.4954.46D0D4EF000E48560000135A22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46D17C2E.2090003@rcn.com> Yea, I saw this. I am going to bid on it. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > To anyone interested: Take a look at the auction description for this 582. It records but it won't play! > > Hey, maybe I could combine it with my 682ZX, which will play but won't record -- together they will make up one good deck! > > Seriously, what could be the problem with this 582? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-582-3-Head-Cassette-Deck-for-Parts-or-Repair_W0QQitemZ300145034006QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 26 18:52:16 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:52:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: <082620070118.4954.46D0D4EF000E48560000135A22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: The easy answer is that the mode cam alignments are way off. Play and record are just a few degrees of rotation apart. I'll bet someone turned adjustments trying to "fix" something else. Count on all adjustments being "a bit off". Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? To anyone interested: Take a look at the auction description for this 582. It records but it won't play! Hey, maybe I could combine it with my 682ZX, which will play but won't record -- together they will make up one good deck! Seriously, what could be the problem with this 582? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-582-3-Head-Cassette-Deck-for-Parts-or-Repair_W 0QQitemZ300145034006QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From flifton at mac.com Sun Aug 26 21:01:00 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:01:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Info on Nak 250 In-Reply-To: <200708241000.l7OA0Fsk021491@zxe.naks.com> References: <200708241000.l7OA0Fsk021491@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Nakkers, Back after a long lurk. Hope all of you are well. I'm starting to restore a 250 and am looking for the service manual. Anyone have a copy? I'm also curious about the cables for the power supply, a brick- type and a DIN plug. Why two? What's the difference? Has anyone made any cables recently who could recommend parts? As you can see, I've been gone a while, but I haven't gotten any smarter. cheers, Fred From fsclaol at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 01:39:30 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Love My 600 Message-ID: <759327.60457.qm@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally had some time to spend with the squealing 600 and did some very basic house cleaning. After a very minimal lube she stopped and I started to play some cassettes |*-*| which may have originally been recorded on, the 600, RX 505 or DR 10. Wow, she's still alive and well and sounds great for being 30 years old. There are some minor rewind traction issues. A slight drop in level in the left channel (recording & 400Hz calibration) but the playback sounds wonderful. Revisited the archives for the advise when I first posted. Once again thank you all for suggestions and Kermit for the old link to the service manual. Where is Kermit? Hope he is well and just listening to his 600, 600 MK II and Nakamichi collection and tapes. Fred in CT. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Mon Aug 27 02:06:57 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: <200708261001.l7QA1Jf5026029@zxe.naks.com> References: <200708261001.l7QA1Jf5026029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: My guess is the simplest: the light bulb under the 'play' button is burned out. Simple fix. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Aug 27 04:01:30 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:01:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description! Message-ID: <082720070201.16692.46D2307A000169370000413422165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> This item description brings typical eBay seller "optimism" to new highs! Anyone need a "tape eater"? It works perfectly! Check it out: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-5-Tape-Deck_W0QQitemZ280146630023QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 27 05:25:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:25:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: References: <200708261001.l7QA1Jf5026029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <46D24434.7060608@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > My guess is the simplest: the light bulb under the 'play' button is > burned out. Simple fix. Are you sure that a burned light bulb can cause it to go to REC mode? Personally, I thought about Tom's solution (control cam out of whack) or a stuck logic line. This last can be a bear to troubleshoot (IIRC, it's all CMOS MSI logic), but, most likely, I have spare parts in my junk box. I hope no one here wants it. If someone does, please let me know and I'll bow out. I have a soft spot for the 582. It was my second Nak, bought to replace the 700. Bought it new. Not the best (my current CR-7 trounces it) but it served for many years with nary a problem, except for replacement of just one electrolytic cap a couple of years before I finally sold it. -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 07:05:10 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:05:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description! Message-ID: Hello! Seems me an a "Multi-Voltage" unit...! If "eats" tapes...need I think a deep pinch & capstans cleaning & maybe a belt change!!!ALEX! > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:01:30 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description!> > > This item description brings typical eBay seller "optimism" to new highs!> > Anyone need a "tape eater"? It works perfectly!> > Check it out:> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-5-Tape-Deck_W0QQitemZ280146630023QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Learn. Laugh. Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Aug 27 12:15:34 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:15:34 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description! References: Message-ID: <008801c7e893$37092050$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Probably just a new idler tyre... looks like it suffers a bit from vibration though :o).. or I have had one to many beers.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description! Hello! Seems me an a "Multi-Voltage" unit...! If "eats" tapes...need I think a deep pinch & capstans cleaning & maybe a belt change!!! ALEX! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:01:30 +0000 > Subject: [naktalk] Excellent eBay Description! > > > This item description brings typical eBay seller "optimism" to new highs! > > Anyone need a "tape eater"? It works perfectly! > > Check it out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-5-Tape-Deck_W0QQitemZ280146630023QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Aug 27 14:14:27 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:14:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 27 17:10:55 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:10:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon CT turntable corrosion ? Message-ID: Have any Dragon CT turntable owners found black spot corrosion on circuit boards inside this Nakamichi turntable? I am repairing one that had extensive black pitting only on the foil side, which seemed to be beneath the green coating, and only on the motor drive board. No corrosion was found on the logic board or the parts side of the motor board. Very mysterious! I am also searching for a link to the operations manual. If none is available, can someone take the time to describe the auto-center procedure, especially concerning the glass platter? If anyone has a parts machine, my customer needs 2 of the leg tower covers. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 27 19:31:37 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <872131.59047.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, We're all somewhat crazy! My list; CD-1 CD-1.5 CD-2 MR1 (2) LX5 (2) CR3 CR5 ZX7 (2) My favorites are the CD-1 and the CR5. I like the manual playback azimuth control on the CD1. For sound, it's tuff call which is best (among the three head models) but I sure like the CR5! I used to have a car with a cassette deck and dolby B. The CR5 seemed to sound the best with dolby B played back in the car with either type 1 or type 2. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Aug 27 20:17:40 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:17:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: Andy, My new drastically reduced fleet: 680 (First Nak) workshop system The main 4 decks all compatible with dolby b + c Dragon ZX-9 1000 ZXL x 2 (One @ Hi Tech for service) Room now for a 682ZX (Also with dolby b + c - Currently Seeking). Now I can just about use the decks that I have rather than some collecting dust. Will probably get more because I like tinkering with them as you do. Take it easy, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 27 21:00:10 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:00:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy, 580, 582 & 670ZX... about the same number of other brands would like to acquire, 600, 700 & 680ZX/682ZX Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 08/26/2007 9:34 PM From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 27 21:12:11 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:12:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what's in your collection Message-ID: I have two 680 decks, an MR1, and will probably have a working Dragon someday, a 730 receiver, and a TD800 car deck. I also have 6 T100 analyzers (3 broken). I will someday have a 700II and a 600II, and perhaps a TD700 all because NakTalk got me interested in these classics again. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 27 21:33:17 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:33:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? References: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012701c7e8e1$1e4766f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Andy As U know the current collection is 480Z CR-3 682ZX all now fully functioning thanks to quality assist from the forum gurus, incl yourself, to guide me to the problem areas & suggest fixes that have resolved the issues. Best of luck with ur 682 troubleshooting Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? > > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping > there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the > TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. > > Here's what I have: > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > CR-7a (currently not working) > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 26/08/2007 > 21:34 > > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Aug 27 22:14:33 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:14:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6412A3A8-C33A-4651-AF5E-8DD336E617A3@thegreatbear.net> hi andy here' my list - i've in the process of weeding it out a bit as it's too big for our small house! 550 700 II (my favourite if it was working properly!) 480 582 680 (my favourite at the moment) 682 ZX (for sale at the moment) adrian On 27 Aug 2007, at 13:14, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm > hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just > list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. > > Here's what I have: > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > CR-7a (currently not working) > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:02:29 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:02:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX on ebay Message-ID: <518b7b10708271402t2c0c7165rfdda686a0fb86b6b@mail.gmail.com> Adrian, So this must be yours then: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330158864177&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 George On 8/27/07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi andy > > here' my list - i've in the process of weeding it out a bit as it's > too big for our small house! > > 550 > 700 II (my favourite if it was working properly!) > 480 > 582 > 680 (my favourite at the moment) > 682 ZX (for sale at the moment) > > > adrian > > On 27 Aug 2007, at 13:14, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm > > hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. > > > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just > > list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. > > > > Here's what I have: > > > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > > ZX-7 > > ZX-9 > > CR-7a (currently not working) > > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > > > > *andy* > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Aug 27 23:03:37 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:03:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <872131.59047.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <872131.59047.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c7e8ed$bfeb23a0$3fc16ae0$@utah.edu> Nah none of us are crazy. We just know what we likeJ Here is my list: (2) CR7-A - I like the them the best for recording. (1) MR-2 - used for upgrading one of the CR7's for the gear upgrade. Now it is just a spare deck for loaning out to friends (1) Dragon - The best for playback (1) T-100 plus alignment cassettes - great for repairs and for calibrating the dragon to a perfect recording eq and levels The CR7-A does sound fantastic, however I like the stability and auto azimuth of the Dragon. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:32 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Andy, We're all somewhat crazy! My list; CD-1 CD-1.5 CD-2 MR1 (2) LX5 (2) CR3 CR5 ZX7 (2) My favorites are the CD-1 and the CR5. I like the manual playback azimuth control on the CD1. For sound, it's tuff call which is best (among the three head models) but I sure like the CR5! I used to have a car with a cassette deck and dolby B. The CR5 seemed to sound the best with dolby B played back in the car with either type 1 or type 2. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjjorge1943 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 02:09:36 2007 From: jjjorge1943 at yahoo.com (Jorge Garces) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What's in your collection? Message-ID: <315316.22565.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi everybody. I'm a newbie in this group, and I just want to learn from you guys how to enjoy my newly acquired Dragon. I just plugged it on last night however, the tape didn't even move? The unit has been kept unused for maybe up to ten years - it was kept clean and my sister-in-law thought that it was still working. It was offered to me at the best price possible (zero dollars) and I was so thrilled to own a dragon - I know I could get it fixed and enjoy its sound to the best my ears could take. I used to tinker in some circuitry during my college days, but I got diverted to software during my professional days. Now, I'd be looking for a nak-serviceman in the neighborhood. Could anyone recommend a reliable and reasonable serviceman in Toronto, Canada? I really couldn't believe this unit is not working... it looks so neat and awesome! I think I've written enough for my first email... I do not write much... am an engineer ;-)) --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Aug 28 02:34:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:34:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: Face it. We're all crazy. But Tom and Willy can look forward to many happy years of Nak repairs to come. By any definition, I've got too many. But I hope some of them will last well into my retirement along with my 2000 tapes. Here's sort of a list (the ones I use regularly) - I've probably got other ones in the closet, which may or may not work at the moment. I sold or gave away all my Sankyo 2 head decks early this year. Jeff W Dragon, ZX-7, 2 680's, 682ZX, 582, 3 BX-300's, MR-1B, RX-303, 480, 481, Cassette Deck 1, CR-3, 550 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Aug 28 03:27:48 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <177062.54802.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is what I have for my Naks. 582 ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Tue Aug 28 03:24:28 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:24:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My decks...I have it bad! Message-ID: <00c501c7e912$2de39080$6500000a@John687DEA0AFB> I have way to many decks... 3 - ZX-7 2 - 682zx 2 - 680zx 1 - 680 1 - 660zx 2 - LX5 1 - CD1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Aug 28 14:06:59 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:06:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? References: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00d601c7e96b$efae79b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Ok, Andy, I'm going for the 'loupy-lou' or sick puppy award.. collect the set if you like.. but there are a few on this list who give me a run for the money.. my fleet.....and a rough indication of condition 500 (1 near mint + 2 spares.. all white end caps) 600 (1 near mint silver + 2 black, 1 playback/1 spares..) 600II ( 1 vgc + 1 playback only) 700 ( good, but need to sort FF/RW.. v.sluggish) 700 II ( vgc, as above, both ) 480 (1 Black, 1 silver plus a few spares decks) 481 (near mint good) 480Z ( 2 black, 1 silver, all good) 482Z (2 good) 580 ( 1 good + 1 spare) 580M ( needs repair) 582 ( 1 playback, 1 untested) 582Z (good) 670ZX (playback only.. needs bias osc repair I think) 680ZX (1 playback only.. recorded OK in NZ, not very well Oz!!+ 1 unknown, yet to test) 682ZX ( good) LX-3 ( 2 good, 1 playback only) ZX-7 ( 1 good, 1 playback, 1 spares deck) BX-125 (good) BX-150 (1 black, 1 silver, both good) BX-300 (good) RX-202 (2 both good) RX-505 ( good) MR-1 (good) CR-2A (good) CR-3E (good) CR-5 (2 good.. slightly different case construction, slightly different sound.. make of that what you will!!) CD-2 (good) DR-3 (good) DR-2 (good) 1000ZXL ( recent score, playback mostly OK, needs restoration, so that is 52 roughly, not counting the few dismantled machines).. all functional decks in regular use though a 610/620 set up. looks bad, but quite a few decks are ex techo rubbish bins, obtained for a 'song' or a slab of beer, and a couple of shops got to know me back in NZ and dumped their trades my way, again for a beer or two.. and I am a sucker for unloved and homeless Naks. and to add to the insanity.. yes Grant.. A couple of Tandberg TCD310/II's, both needing some TLC but great when working, an Hitachi D980 , my first 3 head.. a Technics RS-B55 and RS-B100 ( both great decks ), Pioneer CT-93, Aiwa F770 (great) and F880 (good), AD1250 ( old!!) , Sansui D550M (good) SC3330 (black), SC3300 (silver), both good, a TEAC V670, good, and I'll throw in a Revox B77 and Fostex M20 for good measure. :o) Martin From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Aug 28 14:28:34 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:28:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX on ebay In-Reply-To: <518b7b10708271402t2c0c7165rfdda686a0fb86b6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10708271402t2c0c7165rfdda686a0fb86b6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8FDA316E-CFE5-481D-9068-D47346C34720@thegreatbear.net> hi george - yes it is... any questions feel free to ask me... as i already have a 680 - i thought i'd sell the 682. I prefer the manual adjustments of the 680, the larger meters are more to my liking and i don't ever use the Dolby C.. adrian On 27 Aug 2007, at 22:02, george valkov wrote: > Adrian, > > So this must be yours then: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&rd=1&item=330158864177&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 > > George > > On 8/27/07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> hi andy >> >> here' my list - i've in the process of weeding it out a bit as it's >> too big for our small house! >> >> 550 >> 700 II (my favourite if it was working properly!) >> 480 >> 582 >> 680 (my favourite at the moment) >> 682 ZX (for sale at the moment) >> >> >> adrian >> >> On 27 Aug 2007, at 13:14, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> >>> I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm >>> hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. >>> >>> So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just >>> list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. >>> >>> Here's what I have: >>> >>> 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) >>> 682ZX (my overall favorite) >>> ZX-7 >>> ZX-9 >>> CR-7a (currently not working) >>> BX-300 (my first Nak) >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 14:40:04 2007 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My decks...I have it bad! In-Reply-To: <00c501c7e912$2de39080$6500000a@John687DEA0AFB> Message-ID: <86688.58346.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I forgot my RX-505 and RX-202... --- John Nelson wrote: > I have way to many decks... > > 3 - ZX-7 > 2 - 682zx > 2 - 680zx > 1 - 680 > 1 - 660zx > 2 - LX5 > 1 - CD1> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 15:00:29 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:00:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: <082820071300.21985.46D41C6D0008EC3A000055E122165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ben, Let me tell you, I can *highly* recommend the 682ZX. That is a fantastic deck, with sound that rivals my ZX-9 and ZX-7. Mine has a couple of issues right now, but both are easy enough to fix. It gives me rock-solid performance and has done for several months since I acquired it. Easily my favorite Nakamichi deck! Hope you can find one in good nick! Enjoy! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 15:18:31 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:18:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Won't Play Message-ID: <082820071318.1826.46D420A7000394F10000072222165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Jorge and Welcome! Sorry you are having some trouble with your (free) Dragon! Here's one thing to check: Open the cassette door but do not insert a tape. Switch the Dragon on. Take a look at the capstans (the skinny, shiny chrome bars near the bottom left and bottom right corners). Each capstan is located directly above a pinch roller (a thick black rubber tire). Are the capstans spinning? They should start to spin immediately after the Dragon is switched on. If you can't tell if they are spinning, it's OK to GENTLY touch the side of the capstans with your finger to see if they are spinning. Close the cassette door and press PLAY. Remember, do NOT insert a cassette tape. Does anything happen when you press PLAY? Do you see any lights shining on the front of the deck? Does REWIND and FF work? Sorry for all the questions. Keep hanging out with us! Someone can surely help you get your Dragon going again! *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 15:30:09 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <177062.54802.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <146502.3146.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits during Oct provided you are interested. kannan LENA WONG wrote: Here is what I have for my Naks. 582 ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lelio at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 28 15:37:14 2007 From: lelio at sympatico.ca (Lelio Simonassi Jr) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:37:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? - Answer to Andy Message-ID: Hi Guys, My current collection: BX150 RX-303 RX505 CR-5 Dragon (looking for parts) The infection spreads........... Lee From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 28 17:13:36 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Won't Play In-Reply-To: <082820071318.1826.46D420A7000394F10000072222165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <583729.79789.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, Does the dragon have the small light bulb for the tape motion sensor? Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, Jorge and Welcome! Sorry you are having some trouble with your (free) Dragon! Here's one thing to check: Open the cassette door but do not insert a tape. Switch the Dragon on. Take a look at the capstans (the skinny, shiny chrome bars near the bottom left and bottom right corners). Each capstan is located directly above a pinch roller (a thick black rubber tire). Are the capstans spinning? They should start to spin immediately after the Dragon is switched on. If you can't tell if they are spinning, it's OK to GENTLY touch the side of the capstans with your finger to see if they are spinning. Close the cassette door and press PLAY. Remember, do NOT insert a cassette tape. Does anything happen when you press PLAY? Do you see any lights shining on the front of the deck? Does REWIND and FF work? Sorry for all the questions. Keep hanging out with us! Someone can surely help you get your Dragon going again! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Aug 28 18:16:20 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:16:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: <2AFA78C8-9ADB-48DE-A30D-19049230AF64@alumni.caltech.edu> 1 Dragon (playback deck for dubbing time-shifted things to primary deck) 1 680zx (used for half-speed) 1 RX505 (used to do some time shifting overnight) 2 700II (one was my first Nak back circa 1979; the other is a parts machine) 1 480 (parts machine) 1 700zxl 2 1000zxl 1 1000zxl ltd (primary deck) -kby > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm > hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just > list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. > > Here's what I have: > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > CR-7a (currently not working) > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > *andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Tue Aug 28 18:27:29 2007 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:27:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <146502.3146.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9B7A7769FABFC-F28-1459@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> Wow, I'm the low man on the l *-* l?Totem pole. I've only got the lowly BX-2 and CR1A to go with my?mighty CR7A. Some of you guys may need therapy... ;0) -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 9:30 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Hi Mike what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits during Oct provided you are interested. kannan LENA WONG wrote: Here is what I have for my Naks. ? 582? ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1:?currently cannot record?) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working?) ? ? Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w.smetanig at chello.at Tue Aug 28 18:44:53 2007 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (w.smetanig at chello.at) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:44:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: <7944589.1188319493307.JavaMail.root@viefep11> Hello again - after a short retirement from this wonderful group! My completely functional Naka-Decks are: 1x Dragon 1x 1000 ZXL 1x 700 ZXL 1x RX-505 1x CR-7 1x CR-5 1x CR-4 1x LX-5 1x LX-3 1x ZX-7 1x ZX-9 2x MR-1 1x BX-300 1x ZX-680 1x ZX-682 for repair (bulbs and adjustments) 1x 700 ZXE 1x 1000 ZXL 1x 700 II and a lot of ReVox tape machines and decks, too Wolfgang ---- "Kimo B. Yap" schrieb: > 1 Dragon (playback deck for dubbing time-shifted things to primary deck) > 1 680zx (used for half-speed) > 1 RX505 (used to do some time shifting overnight) > 2 700II (one was my first Nak back circa 1979; the other is a parts > machine) > 1 480 (parts machine) > 1 700zxl > 2 1000zxl > 1 1000zxl ltd (primary deck) > > -kby > > > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm > > hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. > > > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just > > list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. > > > > Here's what I have: > > > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > > ZX-7 > > ZX-9 > > CR-7a (currently not working) > > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > > > > *andy From jberger at well.com Tue Aug 28 19:30:34 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: <200708271003.l7RA1lK6014488@zxe.naks.com> References: <200708271003.l7RA1lK6014488@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: What could be wrong with me?! I tried to look at the listing, and couldn't find it. I'll defer to Tom on this. A burned out bulb under the 'play' button can cause it to mute playback, yet playback works fine when recording and going between 'tape/source' (because the record lamp is lit), but wouldn't make it go into record. I still have my 582; maybe it's time to get it out of the garage and blow the carbon out of the pipes.... > Message: 7 > Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:25:40 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <46D24434.7060608 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Berger wrote: > > My guess is the simplest: the light bulb under the 'play' button is > > burned out. Simple fix. > > Are you sure that a burned light bulb can cause it to go to REC mode? > > Personally, I thought about Tom's solution (control cam out of > whack) or a stuck logic line. This last can be a bear to > troubleshoot (IIRC, it's all CMOS MSI logic), but, most likely, > I have spare parts in my junk box. > > I hope no one here wants it. If someone does, please let me > know and I'll bow out. I have a soft spot for the 582. It was > my second Nak, bought to replace the 700. Bought it new. Not From jberger at well.com Tue Aug 28 19:35:37 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 600 won't move spindles, and another garage sale find (non-Nak) Message-ID: I tried to play a tape on my 600 yesterday, and found that the spindles won't move (play, FF, REW). I can hear the motor turning, and it has worked within the past month. Likely causes? Slipped belt? Needs new belt made of unobtanium? The garage sale find was a Teac Tascam Portastudio 144 for $20. A four-track recording studio that ran the cassette at 3-3/4 and recorded four tracks across. Needed some cleaning on the controls, but works like a champ! I'll have to track down a manual for it, to figure out everything it can do, but it was a nice toy for the price! From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 28 21:31:21 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:31:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem] Message-ID: <46D47809.1050902@xs4all.nl> I'm forwarding this one because it was mailed to many addresses except the right one... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Subject: Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:56:16 +0100 Size: 3951 URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Aug 28 21:24:38 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:24:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2007 12:20:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, badanth at aim.com writes: Some of you guys may need therapy I'd get therapy, but I'm saving up for a ZX-9. JW ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigsires at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 03:40:34 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:40:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <00d601c7e96b$efae79b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <082720071214.5328.46D2C023000D2F19000014D022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <00d601c7e96b$efae79b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <5902fb8b0708281840x5e29fb5eibcdbd35dce90cf52@mail.gmail.com> Love makes the world go 'round n 'round and the music comes out here. Very cool! Craig On 8/28/07, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > > Ok, Andy, > > I'm going for the 'loupy-lou' or sick puppy award.. collect the set if > you > like.. but there are a few on this list who give me a run for the money.. > > my fleet.....and a rough indication of condition > > 500 (1 near mint + 2 spares.. all white end caps) > 600 (1 near mint silver + 2 black, 1 playback/1 spares..) > 600II ( 1 vgc + 1 playback only) > 700 ( good, but need to sort FF/RW.. v.sluggish) > 700 II ( vgc, as above, both ) > 480 (1 Black, 1 silver plus a few spares decks) > 481 (near mint good) > 480Z ( 2 black, 1 silver, all good) > 482Z (2 good) > 580 ( 1 good + 1 spare) > 580M ( needs repair) > 582 ( 1 playback, 1 untested) > 582Z (good) > 670ZX (playback only.. needs bias osc repair I think) > 680ZX (1 playback only.. recorded OK in NZ, not very well Oz!!+ 1 unknown, > yet to test) > 682ZX ( good) > LX-3 ( 2 good, 1 playback only) > ZX-7 ( 1 good, 1 playback, 1 spares deck) > BX-125 (good) > BX-150 (1 black, 1 silver, both good) > BX-300 (good) > RX-202 (2 both good) > RX-505 ( good) > MR-1 (good) > CR-2A (good) > CR-3E (good) > CR-5 (2 good.. slightly different case construction, slightly different > sound.. make of that what you will!!) > CD-2 (good) > DR-3 (good) > DR-2 (good) > 1000ZXL ( recent score, playback mostly OK, needs restoration, > > so that is 52 roughly, not counting the few dismantled machines).. all > functional decks in regular use though a 610/620 set up. > > looks bad, but quite a few decks are ex techo rubbish bins, obtained for > a > 'song' or a slab of beer, and a couple of shops got to know me back in NZ > and dumped their trades my way, again for a beer or two.. and I am a > sucker > for unloved and homeless Naks. > > and to add to the insanity.. yes Grant.. > > A couple of Tandberg TCD310/II's, both needing some TLC but great when > working, an Hitachi D980 , my first 3 head.. a Technics RS-B55 and RS-B100 > ( both great decks ), Pioneer CT-93, Aiwa F770 (great) and F880 (good), > AD1250 ( old!!) , Sansui D550M (good) SC3330 (black), SC3300 (silver), > both > good, a TEAC V670, good, and I'll throw in a Revox B77 and Fostex M20 for > good measure. > > :o) > > Martin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at comcast.net Wed Aug 29 03:02:55 2007 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:02:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Collection Message-ID: <082920070102.15798.46D4C5BF00037F9E00003DB62200760180C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> As I was reading today's naktalk digest, I thought I would list my collection: Nakamichi 480 (2; one silver, one black) Nakamichi 480z (black) Revox B 215 Aiwa ADF-990 (black) Aiwa ADF-770 (2 black) Aiwa ADF-660 (2 silver) Akai GXF-51 (silver) Pioneer CTF-550 (my first deck bought Jan. '79, still working great NEVER repaired!!) The Nakamichi 480 is incredible, considering the year it was manufactured; it beats all of the Aiwa's I have, even though it does not have Dolby C (the Aiwa's do). It makes fantastic recordings that sound great in my car deck (Alpine 7525; I also own the Alpine 7618, but have yet to install it). In fact, I recommend this deck as the best no-fault, bare-bones deck out there! How many 2-head decks have dual capstan? The price these go for is CRIMINAL! I also love the Aiwa 660. It beats both the 770 and 990, which have auto-tuning. I bought the 660 in 1986, and have had it serviced twice, but it sounds as goos as the day I got it! These go for pennies on ebay. Buy one that works-you won't regret it. The Revox B 215 is also great, but very pricey. Has auto-tuning as well, and a rock-solid mechanism that probably will last longer than me. It certainly has out-lasted the medium itself!! This deck plays back tapes the best of any I own. It makes store-bought high-speed-dubbed record-label cassettes sound better than they have any right to sound!!!! Happy listening, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 22:35:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <975975.6796.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John locate the record protecting limit switch on top of the cassette well - if that is malfunctioning , it would not allow the record mode? hope this resolves your problem Kannan John Berger wrote: What could be wrong with me?! I tried to look at the listing, and couldn't find it. I'll defer to Tom on this. A burned out bulb under the 'play' button can cause it to mute playback, yet playback works fine when recording and going between 'tape/source' (because the record lamp is lit), but wouldn't make it go into record. I still have my 582; maybe it's time to get it out of the garage and blow the carbon out of the pipes.... > Message: 7 > Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:25:40 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <46D24434.7060608 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Berger wrote: > > My guess is the simplest: the light bulb under the 'play' button is > > burned out. Simple fix. > > Are you sure that a burned light bulb can cause it to go to REC mode? > > Personally, I thought about Tom's solution (control cam out of > whack) or a stuck logic line. This last can be a bear to > troubleshoot (IIRC, it's all CMOS MSI logic), but, most likely, > I have spare parts in my junk box. > > I hope no one here wants it. If someone does, please let me > know and I'll bow out. I have a soft spot for the 582. It was > my second Nak, bought to replace the 700. Bought it new. Not ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:51:45 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:51:45 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: Dragon (Sanktified) ZX-7 (sounds better than the Dragon and presently is getting a tune up!) LX-5 (Sanktified) LX-5 LX-3 BX-2 Would like to have: RX-505 and 680ZX - Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Arizona >>I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping >>there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. >> >>So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list >>the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. >> >>Here's what I have: >> >>700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) >>682ZX (my overall favorite) >>ZX-7 >>ZX-9 >>CR-7a (currently not working) >>BX-300 (my first Nak) >> >> >>*andy _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <146502.3146.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <369968.29794.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kannan: The A.B.L.E. of the 700ZXL is not function. It has been in my cabinet for the last three years. I will keep that in mind. Thanks. Regards, Michael kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Mike what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits during Oct provided you are interested. kannan LENA WONG wrote: Here is what I have for my Naks. 582 ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Aug 29 09:13:40 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:13:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? References: <369968.29794.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c7ea0c$20817290$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> I thought I was the only Naknuts arround till i read what you guys have. My collection consists of: 582 BX 2 BX 125 (I can't be bothered to replace the rubber idler again) BX 300 CR 4 CR 7 x 2 (one eats tapes) How about we all end in the same loony bin (Nakward) and spend our old days listening to each other's recording and drooling on tape decks and all over the place ? ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Hi Kannan: The A.B.L.E. of the 700ZXL is not function. It has been in my cabinet for the last three years. I will keep that in mind. Thanks. Regards, Michael kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Mike what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits during Oct provided you are interested. kannan LENA WONG wrote: Here is what I have for my Naks. 582 ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luggage? 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From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:24:38 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection?To: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 8/28/2007 12:20:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, badanth at aim.com writes: Some of you guys may need therapy I'd get therapy, but I'm saving up for a ZX-9. JW Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Learn. Laugh. Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Aug 29 10:54:39 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re What is in your collection Message-ID: Andy You have become addicted! Mine are: 581 - owned from new, in need of some attention 582 - nicely balanced sound with depth ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell Any thoughts on this one ­ can freighting a deck (ZX-9) 2500km help to put calibration out? This one was serviced by an agent in Sydney a couple of years ago but I thought the highs were a little dull so checked calibration (with Luis' tapes and service manual) and found it needed adjusting. David From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Aug 29 11:04:20 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:04:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity Message-ID: I have been calibrating 3 decks lately ­ 582, Cassette 1 and ZX-9. I have been frustrated getting a good result on the 582 but discovered why today. I have used Luis' calibration tapes, a tone generator application and a PPM meter. I followed Luis's FAQ and used the 1kHz tape to adjust the play head height. After that I had trouble getting everything else right and the playback volume was down. Today I tried the 400Hz tape (as the manual says) and the play head height adjusted differently. Voila, the rest followed much better and the good sound and volume returned. Checking back on the other two machines, there is no difference in the play head height setting with either the 1kHz or 400Hz tape. Any thoughts on why the 582 was different? Anything to do with the classic mechanism? David From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Aug 29 14:23:02 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:23:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem Message-ID: <082920071223.25356.46D565260001A8550000630C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For those of you who might have had trouble with the message Wouter forwarded, here it is below: ============================ From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Subject: Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:56:16 +0100 Hi Guys, I�m new to Nakamichi technology, and I�m already a convinced user ... But I could really use some help. My Nakamichi ZX 660 (bought third hand) was working fine until the weekend. Then the Cam started jumping out of position. It held - but with loud clicks - if I kept the play/wind/rewind button depressed. But when I let go, it returned to the stop position. I first thought that it was simply a matter of adjusting the Cam/control motor to align the Cam�s position letters with the Pointer via PCB controls VR 402 & VR 403. But this didn�t work. The only position the Cam holds is Pause. For all other commands itthe Cam first takes up the correct position, then it�s as if the control motor goes into reverse and returns the Cam to the stop position. I�m hampered by not having a 660 service manual, though I�m getting pointers from a 700 ZXE maintenance manual. I hope you can help - and the news isn�t all bad, Regards, Peter Brooke (Scotland) From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 15:14:55 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <660873.95912.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is something called Head Tilt - your 582 requires ( probably) the tilt to be adjusted correctly. This requires much more expensive gauage from Nak Kannan David Thompson wrote: I have been calibrating 3 decks lately ­ 582, Cassette 1 and ZX-9. I have been frustrated getting a good result on the 582 but discovered why today. I have used Luis' calibration tapes, a tone generator application and a PPM meter. I followed Luis's FAQ and used the 1kHz tape to adjust the play head height. After that I had trouble getting everything else right and the playback volume was down. Today I tried the 400Hz tape (as the manual says) and the play head height adjusted differently. Voila, the rest followed much better and the good sound and volume returned. Checking back on the other two machines, there is no difference in the play head height setting with either the 1kHz or 400Hz tape. Any thoughts on why the 582 was different? Anything to do with the classic mechanism? David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lelio at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 29 15:23:37 2007 From: lelio at sympatico.ca (Lelio Simonassi Jr) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:23:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon buttons and Knobs In-Reply-To: <200708291000.l7TA0sRu024070@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Any of you Nak nuts have Dragons that you are parting out. I need The 12 fine calibration knobs the zx bias button the autofader cover plate (between the fader buttons) Bought the dragon from a guy who recently divorced and the story is that the ex wanted to hurt him. I'm restoring this war survivor. Nutty about my "new dragon"!...... now I get why people keep saying its one of the best... its not just sound but features. Im selling my RX303 if anyone is interested - Recently serviced and in great condition. email me at lelio at sympatico.ca Cheers Lee From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 15:29:12 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:29:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re What is in your collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the ZX7 adjustments stay in place during shipping. Only the 600II had problems with loose screws. My guess is the agent in Sydney did not use actual alignment cassettes. When I worked for a Nakamichi dealer we opened and calibrated every Nakamichi we sold, and across the board they were perfectly aligned with just minor differences in bias and level adjustments needed. Speed was correct on every deck! I do not know if they received QC in Santa Monica, or arrived from Japan, but they certainly traveled across the US. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re What is in your collection Andy You have become addicted! Mine are: 581 - owned from new, in need of some attention 582 - nicely balanced sound with depth ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell Any thoughts on this one ­ can freighting a deck (ZX-9) 2500km help to put calibration out? This one was serviced by an agent in Sydney a couple of years ago but I thought the highs were a little dull so checked calibration (with Luis' tapes and service manual) and found it needed adjusting. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 16:02:17 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon buttons and Knobs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <878269.86055.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dragon' buttons are molded one piece unit - you cannot get single button pieces or fix them to broken area. Bias knobs can be replaced as theye are removable I have a Dragon ( works as a parts unit ) with broken bias knob plastic projections - canot replace unless I get a full piece Kannan Lelio Simonassi Jr wrote: Hi All, Any of you Nak nuts have Dragons that you are parting out. I need The 12 fine calibration knobs the zx bias button the autofader cover plate (between the fader buttons) Bought the dragon from a guy who recently divorced and the story is that the ex wanted to hurt him. I'm restoring this war survivor. Nutty about my "new dragon"!...... now I get why people keep saying its one of the best... its not just sound but features. Im selling my RX303 if anyone is interested - Recently serviced and in great condition. email me at lelio at sympatico.ca Cheers Lee ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 18:26:29 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:26:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity In-Reply-To: <660873.95912.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <660873.95912.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110708290926q25d888d1j47e4b128579c23f7@mail.gmail.com> I've found that digital applications (tone generators, level meters, etc) don't deliver as accurately as old school analog test equipment. I use old Motorola and HP tone generators and an RCA VTVM and don't have as many problems as when the same data was being transmitted/received by soundcards and software. Just my $.02 -Tim P.S. The 582 is a joy to adjust, I love every square inch of that deck. On 8/29/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > There is something called Head Tilt - your 582 requires ( probably) the tilt > to be adjusted correctly. > This requires much more expensive gauage from Nak > Kannan > > > David Thompson wrote: > > I have been calibrating 3 decks lately ­ 582, Cassette 1 and ZX-9. > I have been frustrated getting a good result on the 582 but discovered why > today. > > I have used Luis' calibration tapes, a tone generator application and a PPM > meter. I followed Luis's FAQ and used the 1kHz tape to adjust the play head > height. After that I had trouble getting everything else right and the > playback volume was down. Today I tried the 400Hz tape (as the manual says) > and the play head height adjusted differently. Voila, the rest followed much > better and the good sound and volume returned. > > Checking back on the other two machines, there is no difference in the play > head height setting with either the 1kHz or 400Hz tape. > > Any thoughts on why the 582 was different? Anything to do with the classic > mechanism? > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From blkmacster at cox.net Wed Aug 29 18:27:03 2007 From: blkmacster at cox.net (macster) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:27:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <200708281001.l7SA133E001768@zxe.naks.com> References: <200708281001.l7SA133E001768@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Here is a list of what I have: 2 CR7A's 1 CR5A 1 CR3A 1 CR2A 1 CR1A 1 681ZX (NOT WORKING0 1 BX-150 M~ From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 18:42:14 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:42:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: References: <200708281001.l7SA133E001768@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110708290942i14e06199g4c9170a816d7492f@mail.gmail.com> Alright I'll bite: 481Z 500 582 600 BX-125 CR-1A CR-3A RX-202 ... as well as a pile of non-working decks that I'm restoring in my spare time (I love ebay). -Tim From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 18:54:08 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:54:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perhaps the control potentiometer on the mode cam itself is dirty? This pot is the source of the mode cam voltage. I've lost track of your model #. Fooling with the record protect switch is a good idea. If the deck tries to record on a cassette with the tab removed, then a logic problem is very likely. If it does not go into record, I would go back to the mode cam adjustments or cleaning the pot. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Berger Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? What could be wrong with me?! I tried to look at the listing, and couldn't find it. I'll defer to Tom on this. A burned out bulb under the 'play' button can cause it to mute playback, yet playback works fine when recording and going between 'tape/source' (because the record lamp is lit), but wouldn't make it go into record. I still have my 582; maybe it's time to get it out of the garage and blow the carbon out of the pipes.... > Message: 7 > Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:25:40 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Could Be Wrong With This Deck? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <46D24434.7060608 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Berger wrote: > > My guess is the simplest: the light bulb under the 'play' button is > > burned out. Simple fix. > > Are you sure that a burned light bulb can cause it to go to REC mode? > > Personally, I thought about Tom's solution (control cam out of > whack) or a stuck logic line. This last can be a bear to > troubleshoot (IIRC, it's all CMOS MSI logic), but, most likely, > I have spare parts in my junk box. > > I hope no one here wants it. If someone does, please let me > know and I'll bow out. I have a soft spot for the 582. It was > my second Nak, bought to replace the 700. Bought it new. Not ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 19:03:35 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: <00e401c7ea0c$20817290$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: The ESL idler tire will last 5 years. It is a bit oversized, and I recommend it for your BX125. The NAk ward hospital will house all old people ennamored with obsolete technology! Do you realize there are hard core tv nuts who believe the old 1950's round faced color picture tube are superior to today's crts? I have a consignment area and we've sold 8 tracks, even a quad 8 track, and a QS decoder! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:14 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? I thought I was the only Naknuts arround till i read what you guys have. My collection consists of: 582 BX 2 BX 125 (I can't be bothered to replace the rubber idler again) BX 300 CR 4 CR 7 x 2 (one eats tapes) How about we all end in the same loony bin (Nakward) and spend our old days listening to each other’s recording and drooling on tape decks and all over the place ? ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Hi Kannan: The A.B.L.E. of the 700ZXL is not function. It has been in my cabinet for the last three years. I will keep that in mind. Thanks. Regards, Michael kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Mike what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits during Oct provided you are interested. kannan LENA WONG wrote: Here is what I have for my Naks. 582 ( 1 ) 660ZX ( 1 ) 670ZX ( 3 ) 682ZX ( 2 ) 700 ( 1: first Nak ) 1000-II ( 1 ) MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) ZX-9 ( 1 ) DRAGON ( 3 ) 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who are just as weird as I am. So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any other Nakamichi products. Here's what I have: 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) 682ZX (my overall favorite) ZX-7 ZX-9 CR-7a (currently not working) BX-300 (my first Nak) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luggage? 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URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 20:43:49 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:43:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem In-Reply-To: <082920071223.25356.46D565260001A8550000630C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Peter, Remove the front panel, and pull the meters forward a bit. In front of the mode cam are several white nylon levers and a small copper spring. This is the record lock lever. Clean all the pivot points with degreaser. Look at the pin which extends into the mode cam, and gently make it so the pin is on the left side of a cam track. You will not need to do this if the cam can rotate 1/2 way around when play is pressed. This only applies if the cam rotates about 30 degrees and returns to stop. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem For those of you who might have had trouble with the message Wouter forwarded, here it is below: ============================ From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Subject: Please Help - ZX 660 Control Motor - Cam Problem Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:56:16 +0100 Hi Guys, I’m new to Nakamichi technology, and I’m already a convinced user ... But I could really use some help. My Nakamichi ZX 660 (bought third hand) was working fine until the weekend. Then the Cam started jumping out of position. It held - but with loud clicks - if I kept the play/wind/rewind button depressed. But when I let go, it returned to the stop position. I first thought that it was simply a matter of adjusting the Cam/control motor to align the Cam’s position letters with the Pointer via PCB controls VR 402 & VR 403. But this didn’t work. The only position the Cam holds is Pause. For all other commands itthe Cam first takes up the correct position, then it’s as if the control motor goes into reverse and returns the Cam to the stop position. I’m hampered by not having a 660 service manual, though I’m getting pointers from a 700 ZXE maintenance manual. I hope you can help - and the news isn’t all bad, Regards, Peter Brooke (Scotland) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 20:53:37 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:53:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I never recommend adjusting the head height without the proper tape. Luis's tape will work if there is no other option, but the actual alignment has a very small "window" of correctness...in other words a very small turn of the height adjustment make a large difference. NEVER remove the height adjust gear and adjust the two individual gears beneath. As mentioned these are the tilt adjustments, and nothing short of the jig will set tilt correctly. Your test process has revealed that there is some tape travel problem with the 582. Luis has a special deck that he uses exclusively for the alignment tapes, so the same deck would have been used for the 1kHz and 400Hz tapes...unless these tapes have 2 different sources? BTW, Luis sent me a set of tapes to check against the cal tapes. I really need to get that job done! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity I have been calibrating 3 decks lately ­ 582, Cassette 1 and ZX-9. I have been frustrated getting a good result on the 582 but discovered why today. I have used Luis' calibration tapes, a tone generator application and a PPM meter. I followed Luis's FAQ and used the 1kHz tape to adjust the play head height. After that I had trouble getting everything else right and the playback volume was down. Today I tried the 400Hz tape (as the manual says) and the play head height adjusted differently. Voila, the rest followed much better and the good sound and volume returned. Checking back on the other two machines, there is no difference in the play head height setting with either the 1kHz or 400Hz tape. Any thoughts on why the 582 was different? Anything to do with the classic mechanism? David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 29 20:58:07 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:58:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: What is in your collection In-Reply-To: <8C9B7FBFD0BC67F-AB8-3543@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dan, I see you are one of the few with a 600II. If you have the time I'd love to hear about that deck vs. the 480 sound wise. The 600II was the best 2 head HEAD Nak made, and I believe that head was not used in any other models. The IM supression was not needed (from the 600) because this head had significantly lower distortion. BTW, this head is relappable if wear becomes a problem. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: What is in your collection Here's my list, although I've been away from home on business for a while. Hopefully I remembered everything.... 680 (my first Nak) 680ZX 600 (2) 600II 480 BX-100 BX-125 BX-300 MR-2B (5) MR-1B (2) Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 21:35:33 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:35:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: References: <00e401c7ea0c$20817290$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <6bddc1110708291235p306eed1fx85eb3e2ad51f4129@mail.gmail.com> I love 8-tracks! 8-tracks had the potential to be sonically superior to regular microcassettes, it's my understanding that by and large the mastering and duplication of retail 8-tracks was sub-standard. -Tim On 8/29/07, hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > > > The ESL idler tire will last 5 years. It is a bit oversized, and I recommend > it for your BX125. > The NAk ward hospital will house all old people ennamored with obsolete > technology! Do you realize there are hard core tv nuts who believe the old > 1950's round faced color picture tube are superior to today's crts? > I have a consignment area and we've sold 8 tracks, even a quad 8 track, > and a QS decoder! > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 29 21:49:30 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:49:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D5CDCA.5050003@rcn.com> hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > The ESL idler tire will last 5 years. It is a bit oversized, and I > recommend it for your BX125. > The NAk ward hospital will house all old people ennamored with obsolete > technology! Do you realize there are hard core tv nuts who believe the > old 1950's round faced color picture tube are superior to today's crts? Tom, these nuts will go absolutely berserk if you explain to them that there are no longer *today's* CRTs. This technology is dead and almost buried. I doubt any displays are made with CRTs anymore. Reigning technologies today are Plasma, DLP, LCOS, LCD etc. -- Ron > I have a consignment area and we've sold 8 tracks, even a quad 8 > track, and a QS decoder! > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Jannis > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:14 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? > > I thought I was the only Naknuts arround till i read what you guys > have. > My collection consists of: > > 582 > > BX 2 > BX 125 (I can't be bothered to replace the rubber idler again) > BX 300 > > CR 4 > CR 7 x 2 (one eats tapes) > > > How about we all end in the same loony bin (Nakward) and spend our > old days listening to each other’s recording and drooling on tape > decks and all over the place ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* LENA WONG > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? > > Hi Kannan: > The A.B.L.E. of the 700ZXL is not function. It > has been in my cabinet for the last three years. I will keep > that in mind. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Michael > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan >/* wrote: > > Hi Mike > what is the problem with 700 ZXL ? is it just not recording > or any other issues, I can look at it if my time permits > during Oct provided you are interested. > kannan > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Here is what I have for my Naks. > > 582 ( 1 ) > 660ZX ( 1 ) > 670ZX ( 3 ) > 682ZX ( 2 ) > 700 ( 1: first Nak ) > 1000-II ( 1 ) > MR-1 ( 1: under repair ) > ZX-9 ( 1 ) > DRAGON ( 3 ) > 700ZXL ( 1: currently cannot record ) > 1000ZXL ( 1: non-working ) > > > Mike > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > I am wondering if I am crazy to own so many tape > decks, so I'm hoping there are others out there who > are just as weird as I am. > > So I'm taking a poll: What Nakamichi tape decks do > you own? Just list the TAPE DECKS - don't list any > other Nakamichi products. > > Here's what I have: > > 700 Tri-Tracer (super cool!) > 682ZX (my overall favorite) > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > CR-7a (currently not working) > BX-300 (my first Nak) > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > == From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Aug 30 13:24:53 2007 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:24:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B90F852F0D2A-4A8-7A41@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> CR-7E (primary playback) ZX-9 (primary recording) 700 TriTracer (those old times sound) Can't name the favorite one, I like the all. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 16:35:15 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: What's In My Collection Message-ID: <726264.23425.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm totally out of my league here, however here goes: 600 RX-505 Gone but not forgotten DR-10 Nakamichi Demagnitizer pen type Nakamichi RM-15? which went with the RX-505 Fred in CT --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Aug 30 16:28:10 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:28:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:01:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: Mine are: 581 - owned from new, in need of some attention 582 - nicely balanced sound with depth ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell Hey David, Before selling your Cassette Deck 1, I would do some very careful A-B listening tests with it. Nakamichi boosted the output on some models, and left the output low on others, even though the published specs on output in the manuals are rated the same. If you very carefully match the output on the Cassette Deck 1 to the other decks (by lowering the output on the others to match the Cassette Deck 1) I think you might find that it actually has a very good sound. I think it's a very under-rated deck. I've got one, and it has a really good tone, and it has the adjustable playback azimuth that your other decks don't. Back in the day, speaker salesmen would bait-and-switch customers by turning up the volume on cheap speakers to make customers think that the cheap speaker was better than the brand-name used for comparison. Nakamichi did more or less the same thing with their flagship decks like the 582 and ZX-9 and some others. If you actually carefully match the decks, you'll find some under-rated models really sound great, all other things being equal. I think the Cassette Deck 1 falls in that category. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Aug 30 16:44:05 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:44:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads Message-ID: <002401c7eb14$3a20f460$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Does any one know whether one can find the original ear pads or for the SP-7 headphones? If not what could be a good alternative? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 30 17:37:41 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <620628.84330.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, I also have a CD1 & 1.5 and I agree these are very under rated. They both sound great on playback and record. The manual azimuth adjustment on the CD1 has been very handy at times, Tapes recorded many years ago on cheaper machines sound extremely good played on these decks. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:01:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: Mine are: 581 - owned from new, in need of some attention 582 - nicely balanced sound with depth ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell Hey David, Before selling your Cassette Deck 1, I would do some very careful A-B listening tests with it. Nakamichi boosted the output on some models, and left the output low on others, even though the published specs on output in the manuals are rated the same. If you very carefully match the output on the Cassette Deck 1 to the other decks (by lowering the output on the others to match the Cassette Deck 1) I think you might find that it actually has a very good sound. I think it's a very under-rated deck. I've got one, and it has a really good tone, and it has the adjustable playback azimuth that your other decks don't. Back in the day, speaker salesmen would bait-and-switch customers by turning up the volume on cheap speakers to make customers think that the cheap speaker was better than the brand-name used for comparison. Nakamichi did more or less the same thing with their flagship decks like the 582 and ZX-9 and some others. If you actually carefully match the decks, you'll find some under-rated models really sound great, all other things being equal. I think the Cassette Deck 1 falls in that category. 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Aug 30 17:42:19 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:42:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] revisiting my 700 II Message-ID: <5AFE6DDF-E2BF-4F01-8198-9A3207FCA4C3@thegreatbear.net> hi i've recently got a T100 and I've dug out my 700II that i'd love to get working properly again.. bought about 12 months ago / previous owner had replaced all belts with Nak. originals from B&W and bought the original S.M. B&W will not service this machine anymore. recap on problems: 1. top capstan looks very slightly bent (probably last owner when he changed the capstan belt) (weighted wow and flutter has 1% speed deviation and average of 0.08%, peaking around 0.1% - this is as it should be isn't it?) 2. using a homemade tape path viewer - it looks ok - the tape isn't skewed or moving around, although pinch rollers do look a little old - there is a clear shiny part even after cleaning.. 3. initially RW folded tape and didn't work all the time - I adjusted the torque by guestimating--(but didn't have a tape torque cassette) This seemes to stop the tape folding on rewind. 4. after cleaning and reseating all the internal connectors I still have issues with going into RW and FF, RW especially - Tom advised this is likely to be belts or felt problems in the reel idler. (The service manual only says to replace these if the tape torque cannot be set correctly. Anyone had any experience of servicing these or could do it for me?) 5. playback seems ok - i haven't tested record again since getting it back out.. i think my next move would be to learn more about my t100 and make some more tests before spending any more money getting a torque tape or replacing parts? any other advice gratefully received! thanks adrian From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Aug 30 18:10:52 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:10:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads Message-ID: These are an excellent substitute that were a perfect fit to my SP-7's eBay UK: Item No: 200140716786 Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Aug 30 21:06:27 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:06:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... Message-ID: Hi Guys, Been having a problem with my 680Zx. It reproduces properly (it just had kittens today), but it will not record, not even the built-in test tones. I did some signal tracing. It is producing bias and applying the bias current to the record head but not the erase head. With regard to the informal poll as to what Naks are in my collection: one 500, one 581 (destined to ship to a friend soon), two 550, two 600, three 600-II, one 680ZX, and one BX-2 (destined to be given away once I find which cardboard box I stuffed it in). My favorite? I can answer that three ways. The most enjoyable for me, overall, is my 600. The sound is exactly what I wanted, it's aesthetically pleasing even by modern standards, I find the meters very intuitive and the transport controls are easy for my dexterity (roughly that of an elephant); other controls are well grouped, uncluttered and straightforward. Its high reliability is endearing as well. The 550 has made me the most money of all my Naks, so it is my best "breadwinner" and hence my most favorite come time to pay the rates. Interestingly, as an aside, of all the recorders great and small I've owned the one that made me the most money, and is still making me money, is my ugly, old, cumbersome, redoubtable, monophonic Ampex 602 reel-to-reel. Go figure! The decline of the popularity of cassettes has meant that my once-lucrative 550 seldom has a chance to make money these days. That's a pity! The 680ZX's remarkable engineering features and amazing bass impact makes it my favorite from a technical-appreciation point of view. Such solidity and sense of power from a "mere cassette" is inspiring. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 30 21:40:35 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:40:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D71D33.3040808@xs4all.nl> THANKS for the tip Ben, just got a pair for my SP-7's! Wouter Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > These are an excellent substitute that were a perfect fit to my SP-7's > eBay UK: Item No: 200140716786 > Best Regards, Ben From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 30 22:11:03 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:11:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <002401c7eb14$3a20f460$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: Try Electronic Service Labs first jeff at eslabs.com. This may be the only place to find new pads. They also sell a good idler tire! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:44 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads Does any one know whether one can find the original ear pads or for the SP-7 headphones? If not what could be a good alternative? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Aug 30 21:43:53 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:43:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads Message-ID: No problem Wouter. You may think they look small on arrival but they will fit fine. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Aug 30 22:37:21 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:37:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46D72A81.3010108@xs4all.nl> Welcome back Kermit! Wouter Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Guys, > From danbarham at aol.com Fri Aug 31 00:23:11 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:23:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 600II vs 480 ( was RE:What is in your collection) Message-ID: <8C9B96B7BEB027D-FDC-1868@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom, ???? My 600II was my second NAK, aqcuired last year. I had to free up a completely gummed up transport when I got it because the pause button was completely frozen and the rest of the mechanism was really sluggish! After freeing up everything it sounded?fantastic for a while. My wife didn't believe a cassette tape could sound so good!?Unfortuately, after a few months the W+F became really bad and is now intolerable. I haven't gotten around to try swapping belts yet. It has what I believe to be the original NAK belt installed, because it is?a sort of tan in color. I have a genuine NAK replacement belt and a generic that I want to try both of. My 480 was acquired in non-operating condition and I have not gotten around to bringing it back to life yet so I couldn't tell you how it compared to the 600II. I'm finishing up a month of business and vacation tomorrow so am looking forward to getting home and working on the NAKS again. (Some Pioneers, Denon, Sony and Aiwa's too!) I will post my results when I get them done. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 30 22:24:21 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:24:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kermit, Glad to hear about your 600. You like the 600 more than the 600II? The transport buttons on the 600 are a hoot! Nothing like them in any brand. Could the erase head plug be in the wrong 2p connector? I think the 680 has an empty connector that is a test point. The erase head should plug in right next to the bias transformer. Another possibility is an open wire at the erase head. If you had bias for record, you could record perfectly on new tape, and partially record on used tape, so I think your bias is not on at all. The two 4700pf orange caps may have shorted, opening reesistor R331 or R330, and damaging Q301,Q302. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... Hi Guys, Been having a problem with my 680Zx. It reproduces properly (it just had kittens today), but it will not record, not even the built-in test tones. I did some signal tracing. It is producing bias and applying the bias current to the record head but not the erase head. With regard to the informal poll as to what Naks are in my collection: one 500, one 581 (destined to ship to a friend soon), two 550, two 600, three 600-II, one 680ZX, and one BX-2 (destined to be given away once I find which cardboard box I stuffed it in). My favorite? I can answer that three ways. The most enjoyable for me, overall, is my 600. The sound is exactly what I wanted, it's aesthetically pleasing even by modern standards, I find the meters very intuitive and the transport controls are easy for my dexterity (roughly that of an elephant); other controls are well grouped, uncluttered and straightforward. Its high reliability is endearing as well. The 550 has made me the most money of all my Naks, so it is my best "breadwinner" and hence my most favorite come time to pay the rates. Interestingly, as an aside, of all the recorders great and small I've owned the one that made me the most money, and is still making me money, is my ugly, old, cumbersome, redoubtable, monophonic Ampex 602 reel-to-reel. Go figure! The decline of the popularity of cassettes has meant that my once-lucrative 550 seldom has a chance to make money these days. That's a pity! The 680ZX's remarkable engineering features and amazing bass impact makes it my favorite from a technical-appreciation point of view. Such solidity and sense of power from a "mere cassette" is inspiring. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Aug 30 23:50:19 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:50:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads References: Message-ID: <001901c7eb4f$c258ed20$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Thank you very much Ben. They look to be just what I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SP-7 headphone ear pads These are an excellent substitute that were a perfect fit to my SP-7's eBay UK: Item No: 200140716786 Best Regards, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Aug 30 22:40:40 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:40:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... Message-ID: <33125254.1188506440194.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Pleased to see reverent Gray back and alive!! I thought I was in a Star Trek time warp! Hope all is well and we get to see more of you! ---- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Been having a problem with my 680Zx. It reproduces properly (it just > had kittens today), but it will not record, not even the built-in > test tones. I did some signal tracing. It is producing bias and > applying the bias current to the record head but not the erase head. > > With regard to the informal poll as to what Naks are in my > collection: one 500, one 581 (destined to ship to a friend soon), two > 550, two 600, three 600-II, one 680ZX, and one BX-2 (destined to be > given away once I find which cardboard box I stuffed it in). > > My favorite? I can answer that three ways. > > The most enjoyable for me, overall, is my 600. The sound is exactly > what I wanted, it's aesthetically pleasing even by modern standards, > I find the meters very intuitive and the transport controls are easy > for my dexterity (roughly that of an elephant); other controls are > well grouped, uncluttered and straightforward. Its high reliability > is endearing as well. > > The 550 has made me the most money of all my Naks, so it is my best > "breadwinner" and hence my most favorite come time to pay the rates. > Interestingly, as an aside, of all the recorders great and small > I've owned the one that made me the most money, and is still making > me money, is my ugly, old, cumbersome, redoubtable, monophonic Ampex > 602 reel-to-reel. Go figure! The decline of the popularity of > cassettes has meant that my once-lucrative 550 seldom has a chance to > make money these days. That's a pity! > > The 680ZX's remarkable engineering features and amazing bass impact > makes it my favorite from a technical-appreciation point of view. > Such solidity and sense of power from a "mere cassette" is inspiring. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From skyfox at new.rr.com Thu Aug 30 04:41:15 2007 From: skyfox at new.rr.com (skyfox at new.rr.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:41:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Message-ID: Glad to see I'm not the only inmate in the Nakward. 1 CR1A - Use for parts 1 BX300 - My first Nak deck purchased new 3 550 - One is a parts deck 1 580 2 581 1 582 1 600 1 600II 2 660ZX - One is a parts deck 1 670ZX 2 680 3 680ZX 2 700 tri tracer - One is a parts deck 1 700ZXE 1 700ZXL 1 1000 tri tracer (The deck that started it all) Non Nak Decks 1 Luxman K8 2 Technics RS9900US 1 Teac C3x 1 Sony TC-K850ES Still looking for the perfect 700II tri tracer to complete the 700 series. From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Aug 31 07:45:56 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:45:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D6D2A9-3911-4265-B526-1B2345DD6E79@kvglabs.com> Hi Tom, On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:24 PM, wrote: > Kermit, > Glad to hear about your 600. You like the 600 more than the > 600II? The > transport buttons on the 600 are a hoot! Nothing like them in any > brand. They're almost the same to me, but the 600 has an ever-so-slight edge to the 600-II and its front panel is tidier. But both are so nice as to be my favorites. > Could the erase head plug be in the wrong 2p connector? I think > the 680 > has an empty connector that is a test point. The erase head should > plug in > right next to the bias transformer. Another possibility is an open > wire at > the erase head. > If you had bias for record, you could record perfectly on new tape, > and > partially record on used tape, so I think your bias is not on at > all. The > two 4700pf orange caps may have shorted, opening reesistor R331 or > R330, and > damaging Q301,Q302. > I'll check those items. Thanks! But first I need to repair two 600-II, one 600, the 500, my Revox B77- HS Mk. II, Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, a Dual 1218, a Rega Planar 3, then I'll get the 680ZX going. Then I'll finish the rest of my repairs: Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F7171, Uher 4400 Report Stereo, Pioneer Rt-1011L and too many clapped-out Shure M67 and M68 mixers to keep track of! I swear that M67s and M68s breed like rabbits. I forget how many I have, but they're great little problem solvers. I have a Shure M688 (stereo version of the M68) and a shockmounted Sennheiser MD421U microphone (the popular humbucking radio broadcast presenter's microphone) on a desk stand hooked up to my computer's sound card to use with my Skype setup. What, you think I'm going to use that cheapie little electret mic that came with the computer and cost $1.99? No! Then I want to finish restoring my Magnecorder PT-63 and Akai M-8, possibly my old Revere reel-to-reel (my first-ever tape recorder), some Wollensak 2700 series audiovisual mono cassette recorder/players. Of course, this presumes I live long enough to do all those repairs. By the time I'm finished, 8-track tapes, love bead necklaces and bell bottom jeans will have come back into fashion, the Spin Doctors will have made a comeback and some young garage band will have released a techno music video cover of "The Age Of Aquarius" on YouTube. Shine on, brother! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Wed Aug 29 03:25:43 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:25:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's in your collection? In-Reply-To: <315316.22565.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c7e9db$84ed91e0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> I'm just sitting here with my lone CR-7A and great sound :-) I'd have a 682ZX but we just had a baby girl a few months ago so I'll be holding off on that purchase for awhile. Andy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jorge Garces Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:10 PM To: nak talk Subject: [naktalk] What's in your collection? Hi everybody. I'm a newbie in this group, and I just want to learn from you guys how to enjoy my newly acquired Dragon. I just plugged it on last night however, the tape didn't even move? The unit has been kept unused for maybe up to ten years - it was kept clean and my sister-in-law thought that it was still working. It was offered to me at the best price possible (zero dollars) and I was so thrilled to own a dragon - I know I could get it fixed and enjoy its sound to the best my ears could take. I used to tinker in some circuitry during my college days, but I got diverted to software during my professional days. Now, I'd be looking for a nak-serviceman in the neighborhood. Could anyone recommend a reliable and reasonable serviceman in Toronto, Canada? I really couldn't believe this unit is not working... it looks so neat and awesome! I think I've written enough for my first email... I do not write much... am an engineer ;-)) _____ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Fri Aug 31 15:38:06 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 600s NakTalking........ Message-ID: <542425.52823.qm@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Kermit, Good to see you back........ Our 600s have got to get together and Talk...... LOL Fred in CT..... --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:40:12 2007 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:40:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: <49D6D2A9-3911-4265-B526-1B2345DD6E79@kvglabs.com> References: <49D6D2A9-3911-4265-B526-1B2345DD6E79@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30708310640y6fc28c6byfae0249724804885@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kermit, Thanks God you're fine...It's great to hear from you.Naks 550 and 600 are great recorders,no doubt.What other portables did you own?How do they compare?I remember you disliked Nagra III a lot...Can you share your thoughts about Nagra?Is Stellavox any better?Some claim it is more musical than Nagra.How do they compare sonically to top Naks?Thanks. Best regards,A On 8/31/07, Kermit Gray wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:24 PM, > wrote: > > > Kermit, > > Glad to hear about your 600. You like the 600 more than the > > 600II? The > > transport buttons on the 600 are a hoot! Nothing like them in any > > brand. > > They're almost the same to me, but the 600 has an ever-so-slight edge > to the 600-II and its front panel is tidier. But both are so nice as > to be my favorites. > > > > Could the erase head plug be in the wrong 2p connector? I think > > the 680 > > has an empty connector that is a test point. The erase head should > > plug in > > right next to the bias transformer. Another possibility is an open > > wire at > > the erase head. > > If you had bias for record, you could record perfectly on new tape, > > and > > partially record on used tape, so I think your bias is not on at > > all. The > > two 4700pf orange caps may have shorted, opening reesistor R331 or > > R330, and > > damaging Q301,Q302. > > > > I'll check those items. Thanks! > > But first I need to repair two 600-II, one 600, the 500, my Revox B77- > HS Mk. II, Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, a Dual 1218, a Rega Planar 3, > then I'll get the 680ZX going. > > Then I'll finish the rest of my repairs: Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F7171, > Uher 4400 Report Stereo, Pioneer Rt-1011L and too many clapped-out > Shure M67 and M68 mixers to keep track of! I swear that M67s and > M68s breed like rabbits. I forget how many I have, but they're great > little problem solvers. I have a Shure M688 (stereo version of the > M68) and a shockmounted Sennheiser MD421U microphone (the popular > humbucking radio broadcast presenter's microphone) on a desk stand > hooked up to my computer's sound card to use with my Skype setup. > What, you think I'm going to use that cheapie little electret mic > that came with the computer and cost $1.99? No! > > Then I want to finish restoring my Magnecorder PT-63 and Akai M-8, > possibly my old Revere reel-to-reel (my first-ever tape recorder), > some Wollensak 2700 series audiovisual mono cassette recorder/players. > > Of course, this presumes I live long enough to do all those repairs. > By the time I'm finished, 8-track tapes, love bead necklaces and bell > bottom jeans will have come back into fashion, the Spin Doctors will > have made a comeback and some young garage band will have released a > techno music video cover of "The Age Of Aquarius" on YouTube. Shine > on, brother! > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 31 15:46:40 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:46:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600II vs 480 ( was RE:What is in your collection) In-Reply-To: <8C9B96B7BEB027D-FDC-1868@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dan, You do have an original white Nak belt in your 600 II. Wow + flutter can also be a worn idler. The original idler was yellow-white plastic with a large aluminum pulley. Bearings would wear rapidly and produce a wobble. The replacement was cast metal with the same pulley. I have one new and one used pulley if that's what you need. If the generic belt works please let us know the source. This belt is very thin and skinny, and I would think , difficult to substitute. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 600II vs 480 ( was RE:What is in your collection) Hi Tom, My 600II was my second NAK, aqcuired last year. I had to free up a completely gummed up transport when I got it because the pause button was completely frozen and the rest of the mechanism was really sluggish! After freeing up everything it sounded fantastic for a while. My wife didn't believe a cassette tape could sound so good! Unfortuately, after a few months the W+F became really bad and is now intolerable. I haven't gotten around to try swapping belts yet. It has what I believe to be the original NAK belt installed, because it is a sort of tan in color. I have a genuine NAK replacement belt and a generic that I want to try both of. My 480 was acquired in non-operating condition and I have not gotten around to bringing it back to life yet so I couldn't tell you how it compared to the 600II. I'm finishing up a month of business and vacation tomorrow so am looking forward to getting home and working on the NAKS again. (Some Pioneers,! Denon, Sony and Aiwa's too!) I will post my results when I get them done. Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 31 15:52:19 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:52:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What a great line up. Somebody trade him a 500 ! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of skyfox at new.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? Glad to see I'm not the only inmate in the Nakward. 1 CR1A - Use for parts 1 BX300 - My first Nak deck purchased new 3 550 - One is a parts deck 1 580 2 581 1 582 1 600 1 600II 2 660ZX - One is a parts deck 1 670ZX 2 680 3 680ZX 2 700 tri tracer - One is a parts deck 1 700ZXE 1 700ZXL 1 1000 tri tracer (The deck that started it all) Non Nak Decks 1 Luxman K8 2 Technics RS9900US 1 Teac C3x 1 Sony TC-K850ES Still looking for the perfect 700II tri tracer to complete the 700 series. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-December.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 02:21:33 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:21:33 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: I am not sure who Willy is. It sounds like he repairs and can tune up Nakamichi cassette decks. If he is in the U.S, I could use another source that I may need for my stereo maintence. Does he also work on other stereo equipment?> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:36:04 -0800> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue> To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com> CC: > > Is this something that just recently started happening> to these Naks? I suppose Nakamichi never had any info> or bulletin on a common problem. Maybe Jeff Galin at> ESL has a fix or replacement part?> > If Willy says the 660zx meter has problems he would> not fix, I could have him take it out and we could> send it to you (or would you want the entire deck)?> > Thanks,> David> > --- Tom Brucker wrote:> > > No meters, but I did send some 480 meters to John> > Nelson, and he is trying to transplant into a 682.> > He said last week the spacing of the magnet was a> > bit different. I am going to look at other models.> > Maybe between all of us we can find a solution.> > I have had good luck rebuilding meters for> > Pioneer Spec 1 and Yamaha B2 amplifiers, using my> > stereo microscope and steady hands, and I would be> > willing to try yours if you can mail the meter by> > itself. I promise not to make it worse.> > > > tom> > > > > >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Dec 1 05:33:06 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:33:06 EST Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/2007 8:06:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I am not sure who Willy is. It sounds like he repairs and can tune up Nakamichi cassette decks. If he is in the U.S, I could use another source that I may need for my stereo maintence. Does he also work on other stereo equipment? Willy Hermann is the former owner of San Francisco Stereo, which he sold a couple of years ago. He lives in Orinda, California. He was trained by Nakamichi and was a tech at DB Audio and the Sounding Board in Berkeley, where I bought my first new Nak around 1984, a BX-300. I remember buying a CR-3 from him around 1991 at SF Stereo, and I still have the receipt. I happened to buy a deck from him on eBay. When I went to pick it up, we got to talking and I found out he didn't know about Naktalk, so I turned him on to the group. It turns out Tom Brucker has a memory of wandering into DB Audio 30 years ago and talking to him. As far as i can tell, his first love is probably turntable setup. I think he was a Linn dealer, among other things. He's worked on a bunch of stuff for me. But with any vintage audio, parts are hard to come by, so don't expect any miracles. I have found it's often easier to replace something than repair it. You can reach him at - _willyherm at gmail.com_ (mailto:willyherm at gmail.com) Or by phone at 415-999-4113. Jeff Whittier **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 07:24:10 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:24:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <497982.93138.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Mark, I don't know how much work Willy is doing. I do know Tom Bruckner, who is on this list, has made many people happy. Also, other names come up on the web as being reliable and competent: Mark Wilson in Minnesota, Mike Zuccaro in San Diego... Tom is in Nashville. Willy is in California. Why don't you check with him first and see if he can help you. If not, try Tom or someone close to you. I think all of these techs will talk to you on the phone and give good advice. Note that the better techs wind up with a queue, so speedy work is not always possible, but I think the wait is worth getting it done right. I'm taking some decks to Willy and plan to send some other work to Tom in the future (sorry Tom that I never got the HK2000s sent off to you - other things took over and I think you've been busy enough:-) David --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > > I am not sure who Willy is. It sounds like he > repairs and can tune up Nakamichi cassette decks. If > he is in the U.S, I could use another source that I > may need for my stereo maintence. Does he also work > on other stereo equipment? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 00:21:47 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:21:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480 VU meter dri In-Reply-To: <200712011101.lB1B0lYb017326@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <56309.41921.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com> Henk, I have a Tandberg R2R (9240XD) in restoration at present. As 'great' as Tandbergs were...their parts are now purely 'unobtanium ' in the States. So the loyalty and fervor for Tandberg over here has just about died. My tech had to make 'frakenmeters' by taking the guts from other meters and stuffing them inside the "Cross Field" cases and then there were calibration issues using the same circuitry. My FW motor function seemed to be intermittent-almost a warm-up issue as you described on your cssette deck. Turned out to be a cracked solder joint and so it goes. Tascam, Revox and Otari are much betters vintage pieces to go with here with regard to finding any kind of realistic OEM part's stock. I do love Tandberg, but to hell with searching the Earth for parts. Even Naks are better in this respect IMHO. Lots of Tandberg R2R decks here on ebay, even my same deck-problem is that the same parts are worn out on all of them like those idiotic, fragile peak meters. Kevin > Jim, > > If the meter is still stuck, it's not the static > charge in the plastic > housing. The Zerostat would do the trick in that > case. Anyway, if > static was the cause, the meters would stick > half-way, even when > switching of the Nak. I don't recall for certain > whether this was the > case with yours. > > Electronics will likely to be the cause. I would try > and switch the > left and right meter to their respective connections > on the motherboard > and see whether the defunct is changing over to the > other meter. > Shorting the left and right live wires at the meters > is an easier test > and then see what happens. In this latter case the > tale will be less > revealing. > > A bit off topic: Got a Tandberg TCD310 cassette deck > recently, proving > to be rather dead on arrival. Only the capstan motor > worked but not the > head-block solonoid and none of the direct driven > reels (No idlers, > guys ! ) After an hour hooked on the mains suddenly > one of the reel > motors started hesitatingly. An other hour and both > reels were running > (simultaniously slowly running counter acting, > Tandberg's way to > straighten slack in inserted tapes) and the solonoid > for the head block > was slowly reviving. In a day the thing worked OK, > with not a fuse > replaced! A day later I tested recording and that > too was working OK, > acceptable in sound without an adjustment done. > Downside, high W&F, but > OK for pop and even that might improve over time in > this Phoenix. > > If Tandberg decks would abound, I could live without > (a few of) my > Naks. Grin > > Happy listening. > Henk Schenk > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 2 10:28:22 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:28:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? Message-ID: <001601c834c5$b025fb60$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> He's got NO chance !! Take a look at ebay item 350000657276 for optimism !! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I might be willing to pay that much for a CR 5, CR 7 or a ZX 7 or 9 but I doubt anyone would pay that much for a BX1! Happy listening Martin F PS by the way i am selling a CR-3, 220 volt version on Ebay UK item number 120192447472 for anyone in Europe or other 220-volt countries who might be interested. It's not as cheap as you would find in the US but it has been checked and calibrated and there is a guarantee. From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:28:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? He's got NO chance !! Take a look at ebay item 350000657276 for optimism !! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 3 12:10:09 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:10:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? In-Reply-To: References: <001601c834c5$b025fb60$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <4753E411.3080002@xs4all.nl> There will always be people out there (you could call them ignorant) that think they own a unique piece of history with their BX-1 (listprice $299) I suppose the seller misplaced the decimal sign, 19.99 is a more realistic price. Wouter martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > Although Naks in Europe generally sell for more than in North America, > this is still too high an asking price especially for a BX1. > Adam Smith the father of capitalism is known to to have written that a > product is worth what anyone is willing to pay for it. > I might be willing to pay that much for a CR 5, CR 7 or a ZX 7 or 9 > but I doubt anyone would pay that much for a BX1! > Happy listening > Martin F > PS by the way i am selling a CR-3, 220 volt version on Ebay UK > item number 120192447472 for anyone in Europe or other 220-volt > countries who might be interested. It's not as cheap as you would find > in the US but it has been checked and calibrated and there is a guarantee. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:28:22 +0000 > Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? > > He's got NO chance !! > > Take a look at ebay item > 350000657276 > > > for optimism !! > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 12:39:49 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:39:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? Message-ID: <120320071139.4545.4753EB0500036FDE000011C122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dave: I must be doing something wrong, because when I click on the link, I just get a blank browser window. Is this an eBay auction of some kind? What is the guy asking for the BX-1? Cheers, *andy* From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Dec 3 13:46:11 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:46:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? In-Reply-To: <120320071139.4545.4753EB0500036FDE000011C122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <120320071139.4545.4753EB0500036FDE000011C122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <09FE3AAF-4A5C-4FA0-8223-E1F9F3D27186@thegreatbear.net> he's asking £199 UK BIN price!! but of course he's got a Make An Offer too - so cynical me is thinking that he's trying to increase the perceived value for some buyers who don't know much about Naks so he'll get a much higher offer than he would normally get.. look at all the other old tat he's selling at inflated prices and look at the actual final auction prices he really sells for in his feedback... adrian On 3 Dec 2007, at 11:39, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, Dave: > > I must be doing something wrong, because when I click on the link, > I just get a blank browser window. > > Is this an eBay auction of some kind? > > What is the guy asking for the BX-1? > > > Cheers, > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 15:48:20 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:48:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Is this guy 'off his trolley'? In-Reply-To: <200712031102.lB3B1EPg009880@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <219475.68537.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Better said, "A fool and his money will soon be parted". And so it goes on ebay.....except that it can cause a 'trend' wherein fools believe Naks are worth more than they really are. You don't usually see that kind of bravado on craigslist, but then you don't usually see the selection as well. Kevin > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:51:46 +0000 > From: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' > ? > Although Naks in Europe generally sell for more than > in North America, this is still too high an asking > price especially for a BX1. > Adam Smith the father of capitalism is known to to > have written that a product is worth what anyone is > willing to pay for it. > I might be willing to pay that much for a CR 5, CR 7 > or a ZX 7 or 9 but I doubt anyone would pay that > much for a BX1! > Happy listening > Martin F > PS by the way i am selling a CR-3, 220 volt version > on Ebay UK > item number 120192447472 for anyone in Europe or > other 220-volt countries who might be interested. > It's not as cheap as you would find in the US but it > has been checked and calibrated and there is a > guarantee. > > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:28:22 +0000 > Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? > > He's got NO chance !! > > Take a look at ebay item > 350000657276 > for optimism !! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 16:21:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:21:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: USA service referrals Message-ID: <17146475.1196695310085.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Audio Lab www.theaudiolab.com Cambridge MA 617864-9810 and ESL ESL.com in CT are also on the American list. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em >Sent: Dec 1, 2007 12:24 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue > >Hi Mark, > >I don't know how much work Willy is doing. I do know >Tom Bruckner, who is on this list, has made many >people happy. > >Also, other names come up on the web as being reliable >and competent: Mark Wilson in Minnesota, Mike Zuccaro >in San Diego... Tom is in Nashville. Willy is in >California. Why don't you check with him first and >see if he can help you. If not, try Tom or someone >close to you. I think all of these techs will talk to >you on the phone and give good advice. > >Note that the better techs wind up with a queue, so >speedy work is not always possible, but I think the >wait is worth getting it done right. I'm taking some >decks to Willy and plan to send some other work to Tom >in the future (sorry Tom that I never got the HK2000s >sent off to you - other things took over and I think >you've been busy enough:-) > >David > >--- Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> >> I am not sure who Willy is. It sounds like he >> repairs and can tune up Nakamichi cassette decks. If >> he is in the U.S, I could use another source that I >> may need for my stereo maintence. Does he also work >> on other stereo equipment? > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. >Make Yahoo! your homepage. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 3 16:11:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:11:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: <17505973.1196694698022.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 3 22:26:07 2007 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:26:07 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? References: <120320071139.4545.4753EB0500036FDE000011C122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006901c835f3$1e9b2bf0$7200000a@corp.halex.com.au> andy, copy the number and paste it into the search box of your eBay window, and hit search, it will take you to the page. wants 199 british Pounds, about US$400. Picked up a usable BX1 last week in australia for AUD$15. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley' ? > > Hi, Dave: > > I must be doing something wrong, because when I click on the link, I just > get a blank browser window. > > Is this an eBay auction of some kind? > > What is the guy asking for the BX-1? > > > Cheers, > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 12:46:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:46:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his trolley'? Message-ID: <120420071146.22091.47553E3100061AAF0000564B22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> You may have a point, Kevin. Speaking of trends, has anyone noticed how much 700 Tri-Tracers are going for lately? Just a few months ago, I won an auction for a fully functional 700 with a "joke" bid of only $50. I didn't even really mean to win the auction. I did some checking, and a couple other 700's were going for around that much, maybe a bit more. Now, I see them going for between $100 and $200, and I *never* see them going for the bargain-basement prices I saw just a few months ago. Why the sudden jump in price? *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 01:32:31 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:32:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: <17930932.1196814751819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The CR-7A was released by Nakamichi after I had left the retail environment, so I am unfamiliar with this deck. Having one to play with, I wanted to share a few interesting notes. The first is that the auto calibrate did not like TDK-SA or Maxell UDXL-II, going to error mode, but was fine with Maxell UDXS-II, as it was with UDXL-I. Anyone else run into a fairly narrow window of acceptable recording tape? The second is the treble rolls off at 22-23kHz using Maxell MA. I thought the CR-7A heads were the same as in the ZX-7, but this may not be so, since this is BX-300,MR-1 territory. The interesting observation is what appears to be a brick wall bass cutoff. Flat to 11 Hz., it is -5dB at 10Hz ! This is with the subsonic off. I wonder if Nakamichi had to design for the unlimited bass bandwidth in CDs? A neat mod would be to strip this brick wall filter out and let it bloom. I'd hate to guess what the bass phase shift looks like. This is by far the most service friendly Nakamichi. Wire bundles are actually not in the way, and the boards hinge and lock for access and adjustment. The idler is rubber tire (yay). The auto calibrate is very fast, and locks in within 1/2 dB, which is excellent. It has a manual play azimuth knob much like the Nak car stereos. Setting it is easy by ear if you have a mono mode on your preamp. I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Dec 5 12:58:50 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:58:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: <120520071158.27285.4756927A00008DC300006A9522165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom, The CR-7 has the exact same heads as the BX-300. Same with the CR-3 through CR-5. Since I repaired it, my CR-7 auto-calibrates just fine with TDK-SA, Maxell XL-II, Maxell UDXL-II, and even the TDK low-noise D tapes. I don't have any Maxell UDXS-II's, but they are probably OK too. It has auto-calibrated with every tape I've tried so far. The treble rolloff is a bit strange with Maxell MA... Have you checked to see if this deck has the "correct" record EQ modification? The bass cutoff is very weird. And yes, I do dearly love those nifty hinged circuit boards! :-) *andy* From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Dec 5 13:18:39 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:18:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] TT700 value drop? Message-ID: <21113522.1196857119969.JavaMail.root@ps3> Andy, I don't know any reason for these superb decks to drop in value, besides age. The version 1 and version II samples in my possession sit on top of my collection display and NEVER fail to impress my guests, be they audiophiles or not. They both sound very good too, like the TT1000s, and are reliable. Soundwise on the top of my list of Naks, although measurements do show some drawbacks. But I prefer to trust my ears anyway. I can imagine the bargain deals you have observed recently are a stochastic coincidence. Let's wait and see the future market developments. Currently a TT700 Mrk 1 is on offer on the Dutch auction website. It has a bid of 170 dollar on it's second day and I expect it to end between 200 and 300 easily. Happy Listening under the Nak Tree Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Dec 5 13:44:28 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:44:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations Message-ID: <23116426.1196858668778.JavaMail.root@ps3> Tom, I have a CR-7e at home that very happily eats any tape I've thrown it's way so far. Extremely versatile machine. I usually stick to SA and UDXL II, so these types of tape I've tested extensively. I can test only up to 20 kHz, and the CR-7 reaches this limit quite strong (I allway test up to the 0 dB point to see the loss of dynamics in high frequenties) Bass cutoff? I've not looked at that at all. What is the response at 5 Hz and lower? What happens with the low filter switched on? (Isn't this filter permanently in function somehow?) It might be a dip filter for recording vinyl? For CD's I see less reason. Indeed an interesting and tantalizing mod to free this Nak of filters. It is a nice machine to work on, but it is also advanced with many technical extra's. I hope mine will not fail. I did repair the standard problems in the command motor and the reel motor. The rubber idler was used for the oldest versions, later ones have gears. The older versions are also devoid of a little mod to make better use of the UDXL S and SA-X type of tapes with increased high frequentie responses. There is a mod available also for decreasing the azimuth adjustment step size . These mod's I found on the Scott and Sank websites a while ago. I like to hear what you can find out about the bass cutoff. Happy Listening under the Nak Tree Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 5 15:11:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:11:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <17930932.1196814751819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17930932.1196814751819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4756B18A.5080902@rcn.com> Tom Brucker wrote: > The CR-7A was released by Nakamichi after I had left the retail environment, so I am unfamiliar with this deck. Having one to play with, I wanted to share a few interesting notes. > The first is that the auto calibrate did not like TDK-SA or Maxell UDXL-II, going to error mode, but was fine with Maxell UDXS-II, as it was with UDXL-I. Anyone else run into a fairly narrow window of acceptable recording tape? My CR-7a has calibrated every tape I ever threw at it with aplomb. This includes Maxell XL-II and TDK SA, which are my favorite tape formulations. Most of my tapes are of the former. > The second is the treble rolls off at 22-23kHz using Maxell MA. I thought the CR-7A heads were the same as in the ZX-7, but this may not be so, since this is BX-300,MR-1 territory. The interesting observation is what appears to be a brick wall bass cutoff. Flat to 11 Hz., it is -5dB at 10Hz ! This is with the subsonic off. I wonder if Nakamichi had to design for the unlimited bass bandwidth in CDs? A neat mod would be to strip this brick wall filter out and let it bloom. I'd hate to guess what the bass phase shift looks like. I believe the CR-7 tape heads are the same as other Sankyo transport higher end decks: BX-300, MR-1, CR-5 etc.. As you know, high frequency response depends not only on heads, but also on circuitry and it can vary between decks, even of the same model. > This is by far the most service friendly Nakamichi. Wire bundles are actually not in the way, and the boards hinge and lock for access and adjustment. The idler is rubber tire (yay). The auto calibrate is very fast, and locks in within 1/2 dB, which is excellent. It has a manual play azimuth knob much like the Nak car stereos. Setting it is easy by ear if you have a mono mode on your preamp. I agree. I didn't like the Dragon internal wiring. I thought it was 'kludgey'. > I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? At the time I chose the CR-7, I thought it sounded at least as good as the Dragon, maybe better, and it was substantially less money. For me it was a no brainer. -- Ron > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 16:26:26 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:26:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Is this guy 'off his trolley'? In-Reply-To: <200712051102.lB5B0sX3011455@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <646386.79461.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Sometimes I think I have ebay figured out and then all reason is dashed. Of course there is the supply & demand issue at work there all the time. If enough people have been satisfied for say a 700 TT, then a vacuum could temporarily form wherein you could 'steal' one. That's how I got my 505 and that's how I got my Pioneer CT-F900. But that usually takes months and months of viewing, unless you're just lucky enough to be there at the right time. I actually saw that 700 go through for $50....I didn't know that was you.;-) The deck isn't modern enough to really interest me at present, but they were magnificent in their day. Kevin > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:46:57 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy 'off his > trolley'? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: shoeihell at yahoo.com > Message-ID: > > <120420071146.22091.47553E3100061AAF0000564B22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > You may have a point, Kevin. > > Speaking of trends, has anyone noticed how much 700 > Tri-Tracers are going for lately? > > Just a few months ago, I won an auction for a fully > functional 700 with a "joke" bid of only $50. I > didn't even really mean to win the auction. I did > some checking, and a couple other 700's were going > for around that much, maybe a bit more. > > Now, I see them going for between $100 and $200, and > I *never* see them going for the bargain-basement > prices I saw just a few months ago. > > Why the sudden jump in price? > > > *andy* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Dec 5 17:03:02 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:03:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 5 References: <200712051100.lB5B0sX2011455@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003901c83758$50f5e0c0$4001a8c0@main> My CR7A seems to be at home with almost any tape I throw at it. Maybe it is not really calibrated after the auto calibration, but it thinks it is since it automatically rewinds and goes into record mode. I have "played back" the auto cal sounds it uses and it seems to do two a short checks at several levels not just at 400 and 15,000 HZ. With any of my Nak decks the calibration must be done after several feet of tape is passed. Even then there is some variation as the tape goes along. I do not hear a problem but can see some variation in HF level on a tape recording only the HF the full length of the tape. My hearing at HF is not all that good anymore anyway. One additional item. For some reason I have never gotten all four decks to allow interchange of recorded tapes (using test tones.) Not sure if it is metering or real. Two decks were calibrated professionally. The CR7A was repaired and calibrated at ELS. The AX 7 was repaired and calibrated by Tom Brucker. I used Luis P test tapes to calibrate the 682ZX and Dragon. If I record a 15K test tone at -25dB on the ZX7, it plays back at -35 to - 40 dB on the CR7A, -15 to -20dB on the Dragon and -30 to -40 on the 682ZX. If I record a 15 K test tone at -20dB on the dragon it shows -30 on all three other decks (but -20 on the Dragon in both directions). If I record a 15K test tone at - 25 dB on the 682 ZX it plays back at -40 on the ZX7, -35 on the Dragon and - 40 on the CR7A. If I record a 15K test tone at -20dB on the CR7A it plays back at -30 forward, -15 reverse on the Dragon, - 35 to - on the CZX7 and -20 on the 682ZX. I do notice that on both the CR7A and the ZX7 both calibrated by Pros, the tone is one dB above 0 when I look at source using the tone they generated. My best guess is that maybe the Dragon needs tweaked a bit since the playback (of a tape recorded on a different deck ) is different in level in the two directions. Seemed ok when I tried to use the Luis tape though. I am thoroughly confused by all of this. Am I looking for something that is just not to be? Any ideas as to what is going on. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Dec 5 17:06:19 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:06:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2007 11:59:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? In the past couple of weeks I've been doing a lot of comparisons between my 670ZX, 680, and BX-300. I came to the same conclusion - the BX-300 was designed to make tapes off CD, the older decks were designed for making tapes off LP's. I ran the same tape through the different decks and carefully watched the results on a spectrum analyzer. This doesn't give you the same results as frequency response on a T-100, which is the response to a test tone. Test tones are designed to contain very little overtones of the harmonic series, while musical sources are rich in them. A musical tone of 440 Hz generated by say, the piano, will have considerable energy at 880 Hz, 1760 Hz, 3520 Hz, 7040 Hz (all octaves of A=440), plus high harmonics of E, C#, and even a very high Bb is in there too. And there are probably resonances in the piano itself of the lower octaves, like 220 Hz, 110 Hz and 55 Hz. The balance between all of these harmonics is what we call "tone" and is why one piano sounds different than another, or any other instrument. It is the difference in how decks process these overtones that make any two given decks sound different, and the bench test "FR" is just one component of that. As expected, the older decks were "sweeter" and the BX-300 (same transport and heads as the CR-7) was more "transparent." Curiously, the BX-300 contained MORE sonic information (about 2dB) in the 8K to 16K octave on the spectrum analyzer - try it for yourself. This is not what the normal graph for FR would show. It means that the overtones generated by the musical content were present in that range, rather than being filtered out or at least down. This is also the range of tape hiss, so the older decks were perhaps designed to subdue it. Listening to a relatively cheap 1980's analog commercial tape, the 680 and 670ZX seemed to improve it. But the BX-300 seemed to make all the deficiencies more obvious. Listening to a well-recorded tape made from a digital source (DAT master live concert tape) the BX-300 gave excellent results, and was less colored than the 670ZX and 680 - it sounded just like the original, which didn't need any improvement. I personally liked the colored sound for my LP's, and I've got a Koetsu cartridge on my Linn. But I very much prefer the transparent approach for digital sources - pretty much seconding Tom's theory. Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 5 19:56:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:56:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 5 Message-ID: <9094427.1196880999984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good post Bill. NakTalkers are among the few who are in a position to discover these differences. A couple of things will help (everyone). The most important tape you can own is 400Hz Dolby Reference level. This is 0Vu on all Nakamichis. Luis has this level on his tape. You begin any analysis by measuring with an external meter the output level of this tape played with the output level control at maximum. Whatever level you measured becomes the reference level for all other measurements. The smaller Naks output 0.7 volts at 0Vu, the classic Naks 1 volt, and the MR- and ZXL 1.4 volts. One can convert from one level to another easily if the external measurements are read in dB. Not all meters are the same. Meters have their own calibrations, and the LED ladder types have different "steps" or step increments. Using the Dolby level reference, note the meter reading when the output level matches the specified level in the service manual. This is one key point, since meters could be adjusted 2dB higher than reference, causing all recordings to be 2 dB low! If you have no external meter to compare one deck's level to another, you get lost even before you try high frequency recordings! Your observation that the 2 "pro" aligned decks play back 1dB high. This is probably a meter issue rather than an play level issue. I say this because LED ladder meters have a threshold that causes the next LED to light. If the deck is set up so the Dolby ref. level is just below triggering the +1 step, is takes almost no additional level to make the reading +1. "Pros", as far as I know, have no consistent method of calibrating step type meters. Needle meters, on the other hand, do not have this variable! So if you understand the step meter issue, it is easy to understand the 15kHz record response at -20Vu! The steps around -20 are very far apart (e.g the difference between -20 and -30 is 10 to 1), and the log compression of the dB scale on these meters is very crude, even in the Nakamichi.Additionally, while a -20 step seems close to a -25, the volume differences are almot 1/2. You can never compare step meter levels with different step values either. I have found the ZX7 to be pretty good, but I tend to ignore these meters and rely on my T100 display, which IS a reliable meter even at low levels. if you have an external meter, and compensate for dB differences at Dolby level, then your 15kHz results will be much closer. The 15kHz reference tape playback out to be exact, in fact, unless the play head azimuth is off! And here lies the trap of adjustability. One can often make an adjustment, say of bias for a weak treble, when the actual problem is head a mislignment. The deck will "test" fine level wise, but its tapes won't sound good on other decks. If I may suggest a tried and true method for NakTalkers to deal with the question of which deck is correct, and which needs tweaking, it will reduce the potential for frustration. If you have a freshly aligned deck, find a music tape you enjoy listening to. Play it in that deck listening carefully for changes in sound field image and treble as you switch from mono to stereo. Choose the tape that has the least apparent change. Label this tape your reference tape, and save it for testing purposes only. Compare the sound of this tape on each of your decks (matching volume levels by ear, not by meters). You will easily be able to sort the decks, because you have a tape you are confident of. With some of my repairs I have included reference tapes with tones and music in attempt to distribute a reference to collectors that will be useful on all their machines. Luis's tapes are a second excellent tool. I have a needle type AC voltmeter and a speed W/F meter for sale cheap ($85 for the pair) if anyone wants to really get into testing. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Shenefelt >Sent: Dec 5, 2007 10:03 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 5 > >My CR7A seems to be at home with almost any tape I throw at it. Maybe it is >not really calibrated after the auto calibration, but it thinks it is since >it automatically rewinds and goes into record mode. I have "played back" >the auto cal sounds it uses and it seems to do two a short checks at several >levels not just at 400 and 15,000 HZ. > >With any of my Nak decks the calibration must be done after several feet of >tape is passed. Even then there is some variation as the tape goes along. >I do not hear a problem but can see some variation in HF level on a tape >recording only the HF the full length of the tape. My hearing at HF is not >all that good anymore anyway. One additional item. > > For some reason I have never gotten all four decks to allow interchange of >recorded tapes (using test tones.) Not sure if it is metering or real. Two >decks were calibrated professionally. The CR7A was repaired and calibrated >at ELS. The AX 7 was repaired and calibrated by Tom Brucker. I used Luis P >test tapes to calibrate the 682ZX and Dragon. >If I record a 15K test tone at -25dB on the ZX7, it plays back at -35 to - >40 dB on the CR7A, -15 to -20dB on the Dragon and -30 to -40 on the 682ZX. >If I record a 15 K test tone at -20dB on the dragon it shows -30 on all >three other decks (but -20 on the Dragon in both directions). >If I record a 15K test tone at - 25 dB on the 682 ZX it plays back at -40 >on the ZX7, -35 on the Dragon and - 40 on the CR7A. >If I record a 15K test tone at -20dB on the CR7A it plays back at -30 >forward, -15 reverse on the Dragon, - 35 to - on the CZX7 and -20 on the >682ZX. >I do notice that on both the CR7A and the ZX7 both calibrated by Pros, the >tone is one dB above 0 when I look at source using the tone they generated. >My best guess is that maybe the Dragon needs tweaked a bit since the >playback (of a tape recorded on a different deck ) is different in level in >the two directions. Seemed ok when I tried to use the Luis tape though. > >I am thoroughly confused by all of this. Am I looking for something that is >just not to be? Any ideas as to what is going on. >Bill Shenefelt >http://sheneskillies.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lenaw at flash.net Wed Dec 5 23:03:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:03:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <146369.10400.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Based on what you have observed it will be interesting to compare the BX-300 with the ZX7/9 and DRAGON as well. These decks are released at around the same time frame as the BX-300 where CD technology has just arrived. I wonder whether the ZX7/9 and DRAGON are designed to make tapes out of CD or LP? Best Regards, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/4/2007 11:59:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? In the past couple of weeks I've been doing a lot of comparisons between my 670ZX, 680, and BX-300. I came to the same conclusion - the BX-300 was designed to make tapes off CD, the older decks were designed for making tapes off LP's. I ran the same tape through the different decks and carefully watched the results on a spectrum analyzer. This doesn't give you the same results as frequency response on a T-100, which is the response to a test tone. Test tones are designed to contain very little overtones of the harmonic series, while musical sources are rich in them. A musical tone of 440 Hz generated by say, the piano, will have considerable energy at 880 Hz, 1760 Hz, 3520 Hz, 7040 Hz (all octaves of A=440), plus high harmonics of E, C#, and even a very high Bb is in there too. And there are probably resonances in the piano itself of the lower octaves, like 220 Hz, 110 Hz and 55 Hz. The balance between all of these harmonics is what we call "tone" and is why one piano sounds different than another, or any other instrument. It is the difference in how decks process these overtones that make any two given decks sound different, and the bench test "FR" is just one component of that. As expected, the older decks were "sweeter" and the BX-300 (same transport and heads as the CR-7) was more "transparent." Curiously, the BX-300 contained MORE sonic information (about 2dB) in the 8K to 16K octave on the spectrum analyzer - try it for yourself. This is not what the normal graph for FR would show. It means that the overtones generated by the musical content were present in that range, rather than being filtered out or at least down. This is also the range of tape hiss, so the older decks were perhaps designed to subdue it. Listening to a relatively cheap 1980's analog commercial tape, the 680 and 670ZX seemed to improve it. But the BX-300 seemed to make all the deficiencies more obvious. Listening to a well-recorded tape made from a digital source (DAT master live concert tape) the BX-300 gave excellent results, and was less colored than the 670ZX and 680 - it sounded just like the original, which didn't need any improvement. I personally liked the colored sound for my LP's, and I've got a Koetsu cartridge on my Linn. But I very much prefer the transparent approach for digital sources - pretty much seconding Tom's theory. Jeff W --------------------------------- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 15:27:20 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:27:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Not a Nak, but still cool Message-ID: <518b7b10712060627q1c493bcdp3e5464342166ba65@mail.gmail.com> Don't know much about this one, probably a decent Akai deck (no Nak of course), but I love the look. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLASSIC-AKAI-GX-F91-AUDIOPHILE-CASSETTE-DECK_W0QQitemZ110200734941QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Dec 6 15:29:46 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:29:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 6 References: <200712061101.lB6B1NIa012647@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002401c83814$744c2db0$4001a8c0@main> If one must rely on the reference tone at both 400 and at 15K with readout of out jack and voltmeter, how do you "calibrate" when using a different tape? I did try to tweak the inner controls with the output jack using a fluke voltmeter but do use different formulas and brands of tape for which I just use the outside controls and adjustments using only the led meters. Should you use the readout in volts to see where it is correct, note the meter reading and then go to that meter reading on a new tape? What is voltage is dB on the meters that is what voltage is 15K to be set at? What voltage is 400 cps to be set at. If it is different on different decks what are the values for the 7A, the 682zx a, the Dragon, and the zx7? Not sure I know which are older and newer but my guess is the dragon and 7a are new and the 682 and zx7 old??? Would the Luis tapes give me the right values and then do my external adjustments to get that value when I use a new tape? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 15:49:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:49:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: <9396006.1196952555879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Dec 6 16:17:55 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:17:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <9396006.1196952555879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9396006.1196952555879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <475812A3.6080108@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tom, The 1st and 2nd generation Sony machines were the same way! I still use a CDP-501ES and CDP-620ES for that reason. Fred M. Tom Brucker wrote: > Some may wonder why Nak might engineer bass performance in a different > way, since turntable rumble is also possibly bad for recordings. If > you ever listened to the OMS- series of Nak CDs, especially the OMS-7, > it had better bass than any contemporary player. The difference was > easily recognizable. I'll bet Nak had trouble making cassette copies > from the OMS-7. > > > > BTW, the CR-7A I evaluated is miscalibrated in the SX position, so > ignore my comments about TDK-SA. Thanks to NakTalkers for setting me > on the correct path. > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LENA WONG > Sent: Dec 5, 2007 4:03 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench > > Jeff: > > Based on what you have observed it will be interesting to > compare the BX-300 with the ZX7/9 and DRAGON as well. These decks > are released at around the same time frame as the BX-300 where CD > technology has just arrived. I wonder whether the ZX7/9 and DRAGON > are designed to make tapes out of CD or LP? > > > Best Regards, > Mike > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/4/2007 11:59:33 P.M. Pacific Standard > Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: > > I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older > decks, and I wonder if the source material used for > recording is the chief reason? > > > In the past couple of weeks I've been doing a lot of > comparisons between my 670ZX, 680, and BX-300. I came to the > same conclusion - the BX-300 was designed to make tapes off > CD, the older decks were designed for making tapes off LP's. > > I ran the same tape through the different decks and carefully > watched the results on a spectrum analyzer. This doesn't give > you the same results as frequency response on a T-100, which > is the response to a test tone. Test tones are designed to > contain very little overtones of the harmonic series, while > musical sources are rich in them. A musical tone of 440 Hz > generated by say, the piano, will have considerable energy at > 880 Hz, 1760 Hz, 3520 Hz, 7040 Hz (all octaves of A=440), > plus high harmonics of E, C#, and even a very high Bb is in > there too. And there are probably resonances in the piano > itself of the lower octaves, like 220 Hz, 110 Hz and 55 Hz. > The balance between all of these harmonics is what we call > "tone" and is why one piano sounds different than another, or > any other instrument. It is the difference in how decks > process these overtones that make any two given decks sound > different, and the bench test "FR" is just one component of that. > > As expected, the older decks were "sweeter" and the BX-300 > (same transport and heads as the CR-7) was more > "transparent." Curiously, the BX-300 contained MORE sonic > information (about 2dB) in the 8K to 16K octave on the > spectrum analyzer - try it for yourself. This is not what the > normal graph for FR would show. It means that the overtones > generated by the musical content were present in that range, > rather than being filtered out or at least down. This is also > the range of tape hiss, so the older decks were perhaps > designed to subdue it. > > Listening to a relatively cheap 1980's analog commercial tape, > the 680 and 670ZX seemed to improve it. But the BX-300 seemed > to make all the deficiencies more obvious. Listening to a > well-recorded tape made from a digital source (DAT master live > concert tape) the BX-300 gave excellent results, and was less > colored than the 670ZX and 680 - it sounded just like the > original, which didn't need any improvement. I personally > liked the colored sound for my LP's, and I've got a Koetsu > cartridge on my Linn. 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Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Dec 6 17:27:28 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:27:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <146369.10400.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <146369.10400.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071206162729.WMNS2903.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Mike, way back when the BX300 came out, I bought one from a now defunct hi-fi store called Tech Hifi until Tweeter competed with them. I recall listening to the BX300 and didn't even think of the Dragon because of the price but the salesman offered to audition the Dragon for the heck of it. Drool, drool and triple drool!!! I bought the BX300 and I still have tapes made in 1986 or so. I am now a now a present owner of a Dragon. There is no possible way that the BX300 could have been made to compete in recordings of either the LP or a CD with the Dragon. However, I will say this, CD completely sucked when they came out and even if they could theoretically hit the 120db S/N. The BX300 is certainly a capable machine and I would consider buying another because of the price only as they can be bought for less than $200. Actually, I'm considering a rtr instead. On with the debate!! At 05:03 PM 12/5/2007, you wrote: >Jeff: > > Based on what you have observed it will be interesting to > compare the BX-300 with the ZX7/9 and DRAGON as well. These decks > are released at around the same time frame as the BX-300 where CD > technology has just arrived. I wonder whether the ZX7/9 and DRAGON > are designed to make tapes out of CD or LP? > > >Best Regards, >Mike > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Dec 6 17:22:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:22:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/2007 12:14:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Based on what you have observed it will be interesting to compare the BX-300 with the ZX7/9 and DRAGON as well. These decks are released at around the same time frame as the BX-300 where CD technology has just arrived. I wonder whether the ZX7/9 and DRAGON are designed to make tapes out of CD or LP? Well, I have done the spectral comparison in the past with my ZX-7. It has the curve like the 680 and 670ZX. I don't have the Dragon set up in the same system as the spectrum analyzer. I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was looking forward to doing this comparison between these different decks and I'll let you know. Jeff **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 6 17:26:26 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:26:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Storing Naks Message-ID: <3311507.1196958386454.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 17:42:32 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:42:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench References: Message-ID: <00c201c83827$007cd480$c901a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay > 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and > told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was looking > forward to doing this comparison between these different decks and I'll let > you know. I'd suggest filing a claim with ebay / PayPal (depending on how you paid, of course). Assuming you win the claim (and unless the seller can provide a tracking number to prove he shipped something, you should), he'll have more "money problems" than he would if he just shipped what you paid for... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From greynlds at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 17:43:47 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:43:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Storing Naks References: <3311507.1196958386454.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00d201c83827$2ce95bb0$c901a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Tom Brucker" > Bob, cold and dry are fine conditions. What hurts the belts is sitting in one place for > years. Is there a way to power up and run a cassette in each deck every 6 months? Cold to a point is fine, but if it gets really cold, won't it cause problems with things like belts? -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 19:44:35 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (Raymundo) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems In-Reply-To: <200712061102.lB6B1NIb012647@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <592015.6123.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? Ray ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 23:58:59 2007 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:58:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Storing Naks In-Reply-To: <00d201c83827$2ce95bb0$c901a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <887698.8241.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Yes I do plan on rotating them so they get used every couple months or so. It's highly unlikely that they will ever get below 35 degrees F. Bob Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: From: "Tom Brucker" > Bob, cold and dry are fine conditions. What hurts the belts is sitting in one place for > years. Is there a way to power up and run a cassette in each deck every 6 months? 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URL: From danbarham at aol.com Fri Dec 7 04:37:58 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:37:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter tests Message-ID: <8CA0699B1CACF0E-4A0-67B9@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all, ???? A while back I was overhauling a slew of MR-2's and ran into trouble with replacement capstan belts. The first few machines got either new Nak belts or the originals were good enough to continue using. Those machines came out good as new. But after going through all of my new belts and salvaging the last of the still good ones, it was time for some replacements. I tried the PRB FRX6.7 which fits great but produced a wholly unacceptable .35% W+F! I put my dilemma out there to the list. Fred of Marrs Communications came to the rescue and offered me his MR-2 kit for free if I wouldn't mind evaluating it for him. So I did. Here are the results: Tests were run on an MR-2 with completely rebuilt transport with the gear idler drive. I used Nakamichi test tape DAO9006A (3kHz WOW/SPEED tape) and measurements were taken on a Leader LFM-39A wow/flutter meter. For the record, Nakamichi's published specs for the MR-2 are: .11% WTD peak and .06% WTD RMS with +/- .5% speed variation. An original Nakamichi capstan belt produced the following numbers: .095% peak and .05% WTD with -.2% speed deviation.?Fred's kit belt produced the following numbers: .12% peak and .08% WTD with +/-0% speed deviation. Not bad, just barely over the published specifications. For my own curiosity, I measured the original NAK belt and?Fred's belt?and came up with these numbers: NAK-.019x.200x7.0", MARS-.021x.152x6.8" The PRB belt was .035x.206x6.7". So in conclusion, if the original belt is still good or you have a genuine Nak replacement belt, it is clearly the way to go. Fred's belt is a decent alternative, beats the price of a genuine belt and his kit also includes an idler tire and counter belt. The PRB belt is absolutely unacceptable and listening to anything played with it was torturous. While I was in the W+F testing mood, I also got around to testing different belts on a personal Nak favorite of mine- the 600II. Here are my results using the same test tape and meter as above: Off the shelf with no tuning or cleaning other than making sure the heads were clean and demagnetized, an original belt produced .11% avg with .12% peak, and .055%avg WTD with .065%peak WTD @ -.1% speed deviation. I cleaned and rebuilt both hubs, cleaning all the rubber and steel drive parts and retested: .10%avg with .11% peak and .05%avg WTD with .055%peak WTD @ -.2% speed deviation. Then I exchanged the black drive belt for an old, original (but used)?white Nakamichi belt and got these numbers: .12% avg with .13% peak and .055%avg WTD with .06%peak WTD @-.4% speed deviation. Finally, I tried a PRB FRW10.1 and produced these numbers: .12%avg with .13%peak and .055%avg WTD with .06%peak WTD @ +.8% speed deviation. I was surprised at these tests. I was surprised that the Nak white belt didn't do so good and I was in a state of shock that the PRB belt did better than the Nak white belt, especially after the disaster of the PRB belt on the MR-2. Let me know if you have any questions or comments on these tests. I am planning on trying the 600II belts again but readjusting the speed to spec and then see if the W+F numbers improve or not. The 600II is a sweet machine and I would love to complete a System 1 using it. So far I only have the 600II though. The rest of the components turn up once in a while on eBay but the price they go for is always more than I care to pay. As I've said before here, patience will reward me someday... Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Fri Dec 7 04:46:54 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Favorite commonly available blank tapes Message-ID: <8CA069AF1C59D9E-4A0-6807@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Salutations everyone! ??? I took a quick look online the other day at commonly available blank tape for sale here in the US and the results were pretty grim. For Type I tape, it seems Maxell UR and TDK D are widely available with a few other brands like Memorex and Sony scattered here and there. For type II, Maxell XLII was very common but nearly every other brand and tape was few and far between. We all know that no one makes type IV tape anymore and unless you are willing to pay extortion prices, the only way to find these are in used lots and garage sales, etc. So my question is this: Of the tapes still available, which do you prefer? I know many of you have been stocking up over the years and may have a lifetime supply of TDK SA or whatever your favorite tape is for your own needs. I did not have as much foresight however and want to know if there is any hope left from what you can still go into a store and buy. Looking forward to your responses and any discussion this may generate. Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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It actually sounds just fine for this purpose. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 7 15:13:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:13:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <00c201c83827$007cd480$c901a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <00c201c83827$007cd480$c901a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <475954EF.3040002@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > >> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and >> told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was >> looking forward to doing this comparison between these different decks >> and I'll let you know. Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even respond. ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours as soon as allowed by ebay policy. Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new name, immediately. If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't very bright, may produce results. Good luck, -- Ron > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Dec 7 15:32:27 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:32:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <475954EF.3040002@rcn.com> Message-ID: You might also tell the guy you know where he lives and will get someone to pay him a visit. It's a bluff but can work if you say enough to sow the seeds of doubt in his mind. I got rid of a trouble maker in one on-line club by doing this - I convinced him I knew where he lived, that I'd seen pictures of him with a lady ("Was that your sister or your girlfriend? Never mind, I'll find out soon enough ...", etc.. That is, using the old tricks of scam clairvoyants! (Boy, you'd have never seen such a nasty piece of work turn so fast and be incredibly nice to me ... Before slinking off outta sight. Yeah, I know that's hardly ethical but I fight fire with fire. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:13 PM To: Geoffrey Reynolds; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > >> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my >> money and told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money >> problems." I was looking forward to doing this comparison between >> these different decks >> and I'll let you know. Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even respond. ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours as soon as allowed by ebay policy. Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new name, immediately. If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't very bright, may produce results. Good luck, -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 7 15:24:59 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:24:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems In-Reply-To: <592015.6123.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <592015.6123.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475957BB.9000005@rcn.com> Raymundo wrote: > Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in > the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm > sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then > starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it > almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it > goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of > torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? > > Ray > The belt only drives the supply capstan, it is not the first suspect here. One possibility is dried up capstan bearings. They should be taken apart, cleaned throughly and lubricate. Another possibility is a bad driver IC in the capstan motor. This is a job for an experienced tech. Unless you are one, consider having a professional deal with your CR-7. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 7 15:31:50 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:31:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Storing Naks In-Reply-To: <887698.8241.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <887698.8241.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47595956.8030501@rcn.com> Bob Naylor wrote: > Guys, Yes I do plan on rotating them so they get used every couple > months or so. It's highly unlikely that they will ever get below 35 > degrees F. > Bob Another approach is to move the deck to Stop mode, dismount belts, put a couple of desiccant bags in the deck and package as hermetically as possible. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 15:44:03 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:44:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems Message-ID: <28330594.1197038643476.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ray, Replace the orange cap on the motor drive board. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Raymundo >Sent: Dec 6, 2007 12:44 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems > >Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? > >Ray > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lenaw at flash.net Fri Dec 7 15:45:05 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:45:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <413361.9687.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do not know the whole story here but Victor Trifu ( former NakTalk member ) used to be quite a honest person in the past ( also I assume this seller is really Victor ). Sometimes this year he had indicated that he had encountered some finanical problem ( layoff ) that he has to sell his whole tape/cassette decks collection. But again I do not know the whole story so it is better not to provide any comment here. Good luck though. Mike Graham A Nelson wrote: You might also tell the guy you know where he lives and will get someone to pay him a visit. It's a bluff but can work if you say enough to sow the seeds of doubt in his mind. I got rid of a trouble maker in one on-line club by doing this - I convinced him I knew where he lived, that I'd seen pictures of him with a lady ("Was that your sister or your girlfriend? Never mind, I'll find out soon enough ...", etc.. That is, using the old tricks of scam clairvoyants! (Boy, you'd have never seen such a nasty piece of work turn so fast and be incredibly nice to me ... Before slinking off outta sight. Yeah, I know that's hardly ethical but I fight fire with fire. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:13 PM To: Geoffrey Reynolds; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > >> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my >> money and told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money >> problems." I was looking forward to doing this comparison between >> these different decks >> and I'll let you know. Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even respond. ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours as soon as allowed by ebay policy. Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new name, immediately. If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't very bright, may produce results. Good luck, -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Dec 7 16:04:48 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:04:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <413361.9687.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <413361.9687.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071207150449.TOVV16464.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Mike, Are you talking about the guy who had a TON of tape decks including rtrs? And a cat in the photo? it was gimmemytapedeck or screwloose.com or something like that? His account had been hijacked and someone actually on this board reported the auction and ebay did take the auction down. I know I saw the auction also and reported it too. Roland At 09:45 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >I do not know the whole story here but Victor Trifu ( former NakTalk >member ) used to be quite a honest person in the past ( also I >assume this seller is really Victor ). Sometimes this year he had >indicated that he had encountered some finanical problem ( layoff ) >that he has to sell his whole tape/cassette decks collection. But >again I do not know the whole story so it is better not to provide >any comment here. Good luck though. > > >Mike > > >Graham A Nelson wrote: >You might also tell the guy you know where he lives and will get someone to >pay him a visit. It's a bluff but can work if you say enough to sow the >seeds of doubt in his mind. I got rid of a trouble maker in one on-line >club by doing this - I convinced him I knew where he lived, that I'd seen >pictures of him with a lady ("Was that your sister or your girlfriend? >Never mind, I'll find out soon enough ...", etc.. That is, using the old >tricks of scam clairvoyants! (Boy, you'd have never seen such a nasty piece >of work turn so fast and be incredibly nice to me ... Before slinking off >outta sight. Yeah, I know that's hardly ethical but I fight fire with fire. > >Graham > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Ron >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:13 PM >To: Geoffrey Reynolds; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench > > >Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > From: > > > >> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay > >> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my > >> money and told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money > >> problems." I was looking forward to doing this comparison between > >> these different decks > >> and I'll let you know. > >Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even respond. > >ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days after auction >end. I'm not sure about now), after which they refuse to entertain any >complaint. I recommend you file yours as soon as allowed by ebay policy. > >Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact >the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) >This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it >did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay >can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is meaningless, since >he/she can open a new one, under a new name, immediately. > >If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police at his/her >location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't very bright, may produce >results. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've wanted a ZX-9 for about 25 years. Ebay is a bunch of crooks. They don't do anything because they're in on the scam - they're getting a commission. Fraud suits them just fine as long as they get their fees. I recently noticed that I guy I know slightly was doing shill bidding. I sent them the proof. They suspended him for 1 month. Now he's selling again under the same name. Basically, they let him get away with it. Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jldcat at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 17:08:24 2007 From: jldcat at yahoo.com (John DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:08:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Not a Nak, but still cool In-Reply-To: <518b7b10712060627q1c493bcdp3e5464342166ba65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <230700.71308.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I owned an Akai GX-9 for years, very cool deck, killer looks and fun to use. Decent sounding too, but of course, no Nak... --- george valkov wrote: > Don't know much about this one, probably a decent > Akai deck (no Nak of > course), but I love the look. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLASSIC-AKAI-GX-F91-AUDIOPHILE-CASSETTE-DECK_W0QQitemZ110200734941QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large > group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 17:31:30 2007 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:31:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Favorite commonly available blank tapes In-Reply-To: <8CA069AF1C59D9E-4A0-6807@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <308043.98283.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know batteries and butter has a large selection at a good price. Here in northern California my local grocery store stocks the 2-packs of Maxell XLII and last summer I had seen the same 2-packs of XLII at Dimple Music. Haven't checked Dimple for several months. Bob danbarham at aol.com wrote: Salutations everyone! I took a quick look online the other day at commonly available blank tape for sale here in the US and the results were pretty grim. For Type I tape, it seems Maxell UR and TDK D are widely available with a few other brands like Memorex and Sony scattered here and there. For type II, Maxell XLII was very common but nearly every other brand and tape was few and far between. We all know that no one makes type IV tape anymore and unless you are willing to pay extortion prices, the only way to find these are in used lots and garage sales, etc. So my question is this: Of the tapes still available, which do you prefer? I know many of you have been stocking up over the years and may have a lifetime supply of TDK SA or whatever your favorite tape is for your own needs. I did not have as much foresight however and want to know if there is any hope left from what you can still go into a store and buy. Looking forward to your responses and any discussion this may gene! rate. Dan Barham Chicagoland --------------------------------- More new features than ever. 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I got some tapes out of storage, and plugged her in, with only a set of wires hooked up to the line output. Nothing on the input. Powered it up, the display works, but displays "Err". The moniter shows "tape" and the tape type is "type 1" None of the buttons make any changes, or work. Then I inserted a Maxell XLII-S 60 tape, then a BASF metal IV 120. I also unpluged the line out wires (though thay work fine with the previous deck). Even tried powering it up with the tapes inserted. Nothing changed. Any ideas on whats wrong, and how I could go about fixing it? I typed everything I could think of, let me know any other info you would like me to post. Thanks Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 18:39:33 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (Raymundo) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:39:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] victor trifu [givememytapedeck] sold me deck too In-Reply-To: <200712071103.lB7B25eS014870@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1153.20455.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I too bought a carver deck from victor trifu 3 weeks ago that has not arrive. I try to contact with no answer. I thought this guy was a legimate good ebay seller. Has he snap ?? Ray > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:42:32 -0500 > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <00c201c83827$007cd480$c901a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > From: > > > I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay > > 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my > money and > > told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I > was > looking > > forward to doing this comparison between these different decks and > I'll > let > > you know. > > I'd suggest filing a claim with ebay / PayPal (depending on how you > paid, of > course). Assuming you win the claim (and unless the seller can > provide a > tracking number to prove he shipped something, you should), he'll > have more > "money problems" than he would if he just shipped what you paid > for... > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Dec 7 19:28:48 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:28:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] victor trifu [givememytapedeck] sold me deck too Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2007 10:24:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p_c_guy at yahoo.com writes: I too bought a carver deck from victor trifu 3 weeks ago that has not arrive. I try to contact with no answer. I thought this guy was a legimate good ebay seller. Has he snap ?? Ray Hi Ray, Below is a copy of the only communication I have had with Victor sent on November 28. The Monday mentioned came and went. He hasn't answered any of my emails, doesn't have a phone number listed with eBay, doesn't have a street address listed with eBay. Jeff Jeff, I'll do my best to ship out your ZX-9 in the next couple of days or Monday at the latest. Past few weeks I've had nothing but continuing troubles (including financial...) and as a result I was not able to do much of anything... Sorry for this mess and hope you are not too pissed (I know I would be...) Victor **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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For more info about which version your deck is, you need to check the SN on the back of the deck. If the units SN is before or around serial number A130-09400 then you only (hopefully) need the idler tire replacement. Good luck Manos Raymundo wrote: >Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? > >Ray > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From lenaw at flash.net Fri Dec 7 20:03:36 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:03:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <20071207150449.TOVV16464.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <450967.63549.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland: That is him. Mike Roland wrote: Mike, Are you talking about the guy who had a TON of tape decks including rtrs? And a cat in the photo? it was gimmemytapedeck or screwloose.com or something like that? His account had been hijacked and someone actually on this board reported the auction and ebay did take the auction down. I know I saw the auction also and reported it too. Roland At 09:45 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: I do not know the whole story here but Victor Trifu ( former NakTalk member ) used to be quite a honest person in the past ( also I assume this seller is really Victor ). Sometimes this year he had indicated that he had encountered some finanical problem ( layoff ) that he has to sell his whole tape/cassette decks collection. But again I do not know the whole story so it is better not to provide any comment here. Good luck though. Mike Graham A Nelson wrote: You might also tell the guy you know where he lives and will get someone to pay him a visit. It's a bluff but can work if you say enough to sow the seeds of doubt in his mind. I got rid of a trouble maker in one on-line club by doing this - I convinced him I knew where he lived, that I'd seen pictures of him with a lady ("Was that your sister or your girlfriend? Never mind, I'll find out soon enough ...", etc.. That is, using the old tricks of scam clairvoyants! (Boy, you'd have never seen such a nasty piece of work turn so fast and be incredibly nice to me ... Before slinking off outta sight. Yeah, I know that's hardly ethical but I fight fire with fire. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:13 PM To: Geoffrey Reynolds; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > >> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my >> money and told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money >> problems." I was looking forward to doing this comparison between >> these different decks >> and I'll let you know. Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even respond. ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours as soon as allowed by ebay policy. Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new name, immediately. If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't very bright, may produce results. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 7 20:06:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:06:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475999C0.4040302@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:21:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact > the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) > This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it > did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay > can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is > meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new > name, immediately. > > Hi Ron, > > I don't think Victor Trifu is a scammer - he's the guy with 275 tape > decks. But he's not exactly practicing the Golden Rule either. > I already started a process thru eBay. Since I paid with Paypal, I'm > not too worried about the money as there's Buyer's Protection for the > purchase. But what I really want is the deck. I've wanted a ZX-9 for > about 25 years. > Ebay is a bunch of crooks. They don't do anything because they're in on > the scam - they're getting a commission. Fraud suits them just fine as > long as they get their fees. I recently noticed that I guy I know > slightly was doing shill bidding. I sent them the proof. They > suspended him for 1 month. Now he's selling again under the same name. > Basically, they let him get away with it. Never said Victor was a crook. I was commenting on ebay's practices. Their *only* concern is their bottom line. So, they are far more interested in not rocking the boat than cleaning up their operation. I fully agree with your assessment. Unfortunately, ebay has got to the point where they control their industry (if you can call it that). If your hobby is, say, Heathkit instruments or (gasp) Nakamichi decks, they close to being the only game in town; so, one is forced to deal with the devil. I do so myself, from time to time, But I tread carefully. -- Ron -- Ron > > Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 7 20:10:20 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:10:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems In-Reply-To: <28330594.1197038643476.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28330594.1197038643476.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47599A9C.4060308@rcn.com> Tom, I do not recall an orange cap on the motor PCB. What C number do you have in mind? -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Ray, > Replace the orange cap on the motor drive board. > > tom > > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Raymundo >> Sent: Dec 6, 2007 12:44 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems >> >> Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >> the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >> sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >> starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >> almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >> goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >> torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 16:45:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:45:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer Message-ID: <31663380.1197042334612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Victor is not a scammer. He decided to sell his enormous collection this spring because of money problems. I am sorry that his problems are acute and still persist. It sounds like the issue is not having the cash for ZX-9 postage. Is anyone here friends with Victor that might shed more light on his situation? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Dec 7, 2007 8:13 AM >To: Geoffrey Reynolds , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench > >Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >> From: >> >>> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >>> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and >>> told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was >>> looking forward to doing this comparison between these different decks > >> and I'll let you know. > >Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even >respond. > >ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days >after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they >refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours >as soon as allowed by ebay policy. > >Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact >the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) >This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it >did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay >can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is >meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new >name, immediately. > >If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police >at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't >very bright, may produce results. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 7 20:32:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:32:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 eBay Message-ID: <33013240.1197055954964.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 00:08:16 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:08:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] T100 eBay auction Message-ID: <8308308.1197068896303.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Is anyone on NakTalk outside the USA interested in or bidding on the T100 with 2 days to go? If so, I'd be happy to be an intermediary to inspect the unit before shipping it overseas. I believe the seller has sold other Nak stuff, so his descriptions should be accurate. If no one is interested in it I may purchase it for Bala (who we all miss). tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Dec 8 01:02:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:02:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2007 2:58:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Victor is not a scammer. He decided to sell his enormous collection this spring because of money problems. I am sorry that his problems are acute and still persist. It sounds like the issue is not having the cash for ZX-9 postage. Is anyone here friends with Victor that might shed more light on his situation? Hey Tom, Thanks for the input. I actually used the F-word and A-word in a series of exchanges with eBay today (not exchanges with Victor) I told them that the you-won-it screen and the Paypal you-bought-it screen for the ZX-9 do not contain any telephone number or street address through which I can reach Victor, and asked them what I can do about it. They sent me back a form letter-email which told me I ought to call him and work it out. When I asked them what his number is, they told me they couldn't give it to me out of respect for the seller's privacy. 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My 18 month old HP computer bit the dust last week with mother board problems and I just laid out $1K to replace it, and then I had a $1K emergency dental problem this week. I'd be down to the rent money if I bid on the one you repaired. I can hear several Naktalkers saying "So what, that never stopped you before." Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 00:24:09 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:24:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems Message-ID: <28420387.1197069849373.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ron is correct...the orange cap is on the ZX-9 motor. Sorry. The one time I had trouble with a slow BX 300 motor I had broken one of the surface mount resistors near a screw on the motor drive board. It is difficult to inspect without removing the motor. If you have a meter it might be wise to confirm that the power supply is correct while the deck is slowing down. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Dec 7, 2007 1:10 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems > > >Tom, I do not recall an orange cap on the motor >PCB. What C number do you have in mind? > >-- Ron > > > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> Ray, >> Replace the orange cap on the motor drive board. >> >> tom >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Raymundo >>> Sent: Dec 6, 2007 12:44 PM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems >>> >>> Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >>> the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >>> sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >>> starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >>> almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >>> goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >>> torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>> Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 8 00:28:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:28:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 help Message-ID: <15198843.1197070098143.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Dec 8 03:00:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:00:49 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: V.Trifu's email Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2007 4:21:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: >From the one post I archived: victor_trifu at yahoo.com no other info in that post, and his web page is now gone. That email address doesn't work. Thanks for trying. Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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Jeff W --------------------------------- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 8 15:17:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:17:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer In-Reply-To: <31663380.1197042334612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <31663380.1197042334612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <475AA77E.5000900@rcn.com> Shipping money???? Didn't the buyer pay for shipping along with payment for the item itself? -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Victor is not a scammer. He decided to sell his enormous collection this spring because of money problems. I am sorry that his problems are acute and still persist. It sounds like the issue is not having the cash for ZX-9 postage. Is anyone here friends with Victor that might shed more light on his situation? > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 7, 2007 8:13 AM >> To: Geoffrey Reynolds , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench >> >> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >>> From: >>> >>>> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >>>> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and >>>> told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was >>>> looking forward to doing this comparison between these different decks >>>> and I'll let you know. >> Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even >> respond. >> >> ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days >> after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they >> refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours >> as soon as allowed by ebay policy. >> >> Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact >> the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) >> This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it >> did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay >> can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is >> meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new >> name, immediately. >> >> If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police >> at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't >> very bright, may produce results. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 8 15:26:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:26:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems In-Reply-To: <47599600.4090303@otenet.gr> References: <592015.6123.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47599600.4090303@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <475AA995.3020007@rcn.com> Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Hi Ray > > Without being a NAK tech this sounds to me like an idler tire problem Manos, I doubt it's an idler problem. The idler does not affect tape speed. Usually, a failing idler causes take up problems which the auto shut-off circuit senses, that, in turn, stops the transport. Usually, speed problems are associated with the capstans. Could be electrical (often, motor PCB) or mechanical (capstan bearings, pinch rollers, etc.) -- Ron (i > had same issue about a year ago and with a new idler tire everything > came back to normal) > You can buy a new one for 5 USD plus shipping from ES Labs and also > find instructions from Jeff Galin of ESL for replacing it yourself. > Try this link: www.eslabs.com for above info. > All the above if your deck is the old version and not with the idler > tire upgrade in which case you should seek more help from the teckies in > the site.... > For more info about which version your deck is, you need to check the SN > on the back of the deck. If the units SN is before or around serial > number A130-09400 then you only (hopefully) need the idler tire > replacement. > Good luck > Manos > > > > > > Raymundo wrote: > >> Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >> the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >> sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >> starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >> almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >> goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >> torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? >> >> Ray From roleo at telus.net Sat Dec 8 02:39:36 2007 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:39:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts References: <450967.63549.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c8393b$316f98b0$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> Attention 680ZX owners: I have parted out my beloved 680ZX and placed the parts on E-bay - they're ALL up for grabs! This was the deck I used to record my contribution to the Nak Marathon tape we did a few years ago. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html There are a few more parts I will add shortly like the knobs and case, but most of the important pieces are already posted in case anyone is interested. Taking this deck apart I came to appreciate how well built this deck is!! A tank!! -- Roland You can find the parts here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZroleo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Dec 8 15:58:24 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:58:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071208145822.QSRA5378.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Jeff, I don't know why eBay told you that they couldn't give you his Victor T. phone number. I think that you have to have an open dispute with a seller or buyer. This opens up an option where eBay WILL give you full contact info because they encourage communication. If you paid by Paypal, file a dispute there also. I did it with a seller just a few months ago. It's something called Get Contact Information or the like. eBay will also send an automated email to the seller notifying that someone (you) has requested contact information. I don't know this Victor T., I've nothing against him and I do have some sympathy for someone who gets behind but there is ZERO excuse for non communication. At 07:02 PM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/2007 2:58:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: >Victor is not a scammer. He decided to sell his enormous collection >this spring because of money problems. I am sorry that his problems >are acute and still persist. It sounds like the issue is not having >the cash for ZX-9 postage. Is anyone here friends with Victor that >might shed more light on his situation? > > > >Hey Tom, > >Thanks for the input. I actually used the F-word and A-word in a >series of exchanges with eBay today (not exchanges with Victor) >I told them that the you-won-it screen and the Paypal you-bought-it >screen for the ZX-9 do not contain any telephone number or street >address through which I can reach Victor, and asked them what I can >do about it. They sent me back a form letter-email which told me I >ought to call him and work it out. When I asked them what his >number is, they told me they couldn't give it to me out of respect >for the seller's privacy. > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the >hottest >products and >top >money wasters of 2007. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Dec 8 16:02:50 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:02:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: V.Trifu's email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071208150250.CLMR2903.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Jeff W, I've not been reading ALL the messages relating to your dilemna but here is the link on eBay to find info. It's called Find Contact Information http://search.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?AdvSearch&sofindtype=9 Good luck. At 09:00 PM 12/7/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/7/2007 4:21:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >hitech at bellsouth.net writes: > From the one post I archived: >victor_trifu at yahoo.com > >no other info in that post, and his web page is now gone. > >That email address doesn't work. >Thanks for trying. > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the >hottest >products and >top >money wasters of 2007. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat Dec 8 18:13:36 2007 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:13:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 help References: <15198843.1197070098143.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001d01c839bd$ab75b7c0$6801a8c0@number2> Thanks I'll give it a try. I was hoping for something easy like this. I don't want to complain to the seller. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 help Welcome to the world of Nakamichi. Remove the top cover and you will see a white gear and 3 copper leaf contacts. This is the cam gear. At its bottom is a worm gear on a small motor. It is very common for the motor to stall, which can be remedied by squirting contact cleaner inside the tiny slits in the white nylon end of the motor. To get yours running, turn the deck on, press play, and nudge the worm geat with a pencil eraser or your pinkie. It should jump inot play mode. tom brucker ---Original Message----- From: orders at pennysconstruction Sent: Dec 7, 2007 11:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 help I just recently bought a DR-1 from ebay. I just got around to testing it right now. I got some tapes out of storage, and plugged her in, with only a set of wires hooked up to the line output. Nothing on the input. Powered it up, the display works, but displays "Err". The moniter shows "tape" and the tape type is "type 1" None of the buttons make any changes, or work. Then I inserted a Maxell XLII-S 60 tape, then a BASF metal IV 120. I also unpluged the line out wires (though thay work fine with the previous deck). Even tried powering it up with the tapes inserted. Nothing changed. Any ideas on whats wrong, and how I could go about fixing it? I typed everything I could think of, let me know any other info you would like me to post. Thanks Mike Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Dec 8 19:09:07 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:09:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Favorite commonly available blank tapes In-Reply-To: <120720071221.14451.47593AE500049A570000387322155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <120720071221.14451.47593AE500049A570000387322155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA07DC8F02FA22-B7C-2F91@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy, Thanks for the reply. Maxell XLII seems to be nearly the only game in town when it comes to finding a Type II tape available anywhere (in the US anyway). The reason I was asking is that I was thinking about recalibrating all my machines for that tape since it is still on the market. I have been doing all?my Nak machines Type II calibrations with TDK SA as the factory did but since that tape is becoming more and more scarce maybe setting up machines for what's still out there is the way to go. Same story for TDK D and Type I calibrations. I was calibrating a 600 recently for Maxell XLII and Maxell UR and I could not get the UR to work. No matter what I did it would not fall in to specs. I switched over to TDK D and it calibrated just fine. To the credit of the 600, recordings done with TDK D sounded quite nice. In fact, for being such a low tech, two head, single capstan, one motor, mechanically actuated deck, it sounds incredible! It has a mellow, smoothness and rich quality to the sound that I have not experienced with too many other machines. This deck really took me by surprise! Anyway, has anyone else experienced similar difficulties with Maxell UR's? Perhaps it was just the 600 I was working on did not like it. Dan Barham Chicagoland -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: danbarham at aol.com Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 6:21 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Favorite commonly available blank tapes Hi, Dan: Maxell XL-II is easily found where I live (the local CVS pharmacies actually stock it). I guess I'm lucky, because Maxell XL-II is my favorite all-round tape. I also like TDK-SA's, but I never find them unless they are used. I use TDK-D (also easily found) for copying books on tape. It actually sounds just fine for this purpose. *andy* ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Dec 8 19:27:03 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR2 capstan belt test. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CA07DF103F80C6-B7C-304C@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom, Yes, the felt I was talking about was part of a bulletin for the 600II, Subject: Modification on Reel Hub Ass'y, No. NR-0034, which was released on 7/27/78. This was to improve flutter characteristics. This would also apply to the 600 and I believe the 500 and 550 as well since they share the same core mechanism (the dual tracers). I became aware of this mod when it was included in a service manual I had bought from Mike Thomason at vintageaudiomanuals.com. If you have never dealt with him, I have been very happy with the quality of his reproductions and he always includes all of the service releases and additional info that pertains to that particular model. I'm not plugging his business, just letting you know my experience with him. This mod had been incorporated in one of the 600's I was recently working on and it seemed to work very well. The Nak part # for the felt is OCO4010A and is listed as "Back tension felt". I think the thickness of the felt is critical, the felt I was trying to use was thick enough that I couldn't put the e-ring clip back on the shaft. I guess this will have to be a trial and error to get right but I think would be worth it. Dan Barham Chicagoland -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: danbarham at aol.com Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 6:04 pm Subject: RE: MR2 capstan belt test. I'd love to find a source for 600 belts. That one was really skinny.? Sony is the only company that might have felt. The used to have sheets of felt for reel to reel clutches, but it was thicker. Generally if I have a felt problem I will sand it very lightly to give it a fresh knap. If the glue oozes like the old Revox brakes did, then new felt would be needed. I have some old parts decks and new reel tables...is the "kit" a part of a bulletin? I'll bet denim would work as a felt substitute. The only 600 mod I recall was the brake timing to prevent tape spill. ? tom ? ? Tom Brucker? csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: danbarham at aol.com [mailto:danbarham at aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:43 PM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: MR2 capstan belt test. Hi Tom, ? ???? I sure will. I wanted to give Fred first crack at a response. I also ran some W+F tests on a 600II that I think you'll find interesting. By the way, would you happen to have or know where I could obtain that very thin felt material used as a retrofit kit for the 600/600II supply hub back tension kit? The felt I have here is too thick. ? Dan Barham -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: danbarham at aol.com Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 2:03 pm Subject: MR2 capstan belt test. Dan, Be sure to post your Marrs belt test on NakTalk. It is good info. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arichison at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 22:09:42 2007 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:09:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <523216.23105.qm@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> blank tape is hard to come by I am doing alot of vcr taping and those good tapes are becoming extinct too oh well, nak sounds so much better, thank you for the insight and research on the nak oms 7 and its bass response, I want one now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From koman56 at otenet.gr Sat Dec 8 22:53:12 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:53:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 speed problems In-Reply-To: <475AA995.3020007@rcn.com> References: <592015.6123.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47599600.4090303@otenet.gr> <475AA995.3020007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <475B1248.5040400@otenet.gr> Hi Ron After reading other posts before yours i realized i had it wrong .......Of course you are right! O/H Ron έγραψε: > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: >> Hi Ray >> >> Without being a NAK tech this sounds to me like an idler tire problem > > Manos, I doubt it's an idler problem. The idler > does not affect tape speed. Usually, a failing > idler causes take up problems which the auto > shut-off circuit senses, that, in turn, stops > the transport. > > Usually, speed problems are associated with the > capstans. Could be electrical (often, motor PCB) > or mechanical (capstan bearings, pinch rollers, > etc.) > > -- Ron > > > > > (i >> had same issue about a year ago and with a new idler tire everything >> came back to normal) >> You can buy a new one for 5 USD plus shipping from ES Labs and also >> find instructions from Jeff Galin of ESL for replacing it yourself. >> Try this link: www.eslabs.com for above info. >> All the above if your deck is the old version and not with the idler >> tire upgrade in which case you should seek more help from the teckies >> in the site.... >> For more info about which version your deck is, you need to check the >> SN on the back of the deck. If the units SN is before or around >> serial number A130-09400 then you only (hopefully) need the idler >> tire replacement. >> Good luck >> Manos >> >> >> >> >> >> Raymundo wrote: >> >>> Has any one had speed problems with there nak cr7 or can guide me in >>> the right direction. I have not used it in while, belt looks OK but I'm >>> sure it could use new one. It plays fine for about 5 to 10 minutes then >>> starts to slow down 30-40 minutes later. Sometimes is so slow it >>> almost stops. I try another tape and starts OK for a few minutes and it >>> goes back to slow. Does the direct motor supposed to have plenty of >>> torque cause I can stop it kind of easily? >>> >>> Ray > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Dec 8 23:33:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:33:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: V.Trifu's email Message-ID: In a message dated 12/8/2007 1:35:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rjlbjk at cox.net writes: I've not been reading ALL the messages relating to your dilemna but here is the link on eBay to find info. It's called Find Contact Information Thanks everybody for all the help with this situation. I finally got a phone number for Victor out of eBay after using profanity in my 3rd email to them. He hasn't responded to my message. I asked eBay customer service how to contact Victor and in their first reply to my inquiry they suggested I should call him and work it out myself. When I asked eBay customer service in a second email what his phone number is (which I also asked for in the first email) they told he they couldn't give it to me out of privacy concerns. In my third email I pointed out to them they themselves had told me to contact him, and I used the F-word and A-word. Then they gave it to me. I think I'll try profanity in the 2nd email the next time. I'm always good for one polite email, then after that, you've got to get results. Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 13:42:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:42:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts Message-ID: <120920071242.24934.475BE2CC000712830000616622155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Roland: I saw a couple of the auctions for your 680ZX parts. You state that the deck was working when it was taken apart. I'm not complaining, just curious -- Why would you take apart a working deck?? Especially one that is as great as the 680ZX is? I could never bring myself to do that. I can understand taking apart a 480 or some other deck that isn't so high-end. Why couldn't you sell the deck as one piece? Again, I'm not complaining. I am just curious. *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Dec 9 15:09:46 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:09:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts In-Reply-To: <120920071242.24934.475BE2CC000712830000616622155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <120920071242.24934.475BE2CC000712830000616622155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <475BF72A.2060209@xs4all.nl> So am I! I've bought many decks (broken) for parts and haven't been able to destroy them. My first 680ZX (the picture next to the 680zx on naks.com and the picture Roland uses in it's auction) was in a bad, bad, bad shape when i bought it, I just wanted to get it to work and that's what happened. I think 3-head naks are keepers, 2 head naks (LX-3/480) I have for parts... if it ever comes to it. Wouter hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Roland: > > Again, I'm not complaining. I am just curious. > > > *andy* > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 9 15:43:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:43:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: V.Trifu's email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475BFF13.9070202@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/8/2007 1:35:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > rjlbjk at cox.net writes: > > I've not been reading ALL the messages relating to your dilemna but > here is the link on eBay to find info. > > It's called Find Contact Information > > > Thanks everybody for all the help with this situation. I finally got a > phone number for Victor out of eBay after using profanity in my 3rd > email to them. He hasn't responded to my message. > > I asked eBay customer service how to contact Victor and in their first > reply to my inquiry they suggested I should call him and work it out > myself. When I asked eBay customer service in a second email what his > phone number is (which I also asked for in the first email) they told he > they couldn't give it to me out of privacy concerns. In my third email I > pointed out to them they themselves had told me to contact him, and I > used the F-word and A-word. Then they gave it to me. I think I'll try > profanity in the 2nd email the next time. I'm always good for one > polite email, then after that, you've got to get results. > > Jeff W This is a bit confusing. IME, ebay will provide full contact information to both parties of a close auction, no dispute necessary. If one side asks for it, they will provide the information to both. See: http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/AdvSearch?sofindtype=9 -- Ron -- Ron From r1seals at yahoo.com Sun Dec 9 16:59:18 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:59:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] marthon Tape In-Reply-To: <475BFF13.9070202@rcn.com> Message-ID: <664542.6629.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Ron what ever happen to the marathon tape project I was going through the archive came across this project and was wondering how I could get one of these? or maybe you could tell me who to get in touch with. thanks Russ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 17:59:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:59:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] OMS-7 Message-ID: <33131824.1197219578020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Any OMS-7 owners out there? Does the player play burned CDs? I know pickups are still available from Sanyo. Is the treble listenable when compared to the current crop of wideband DVD/CD players? Oddly the other old CD player with good bass was the Pioneer Laserdisc CLD-900 and 909. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Richison >Sent: Dec 8, 2007 3:09 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) > >blank tape is hard to come by >I am doing alot of vcr taping and those good tapes are >becoming extinct too >oh well, nak sounds so much better, >thank you for the insight and research on the nak oms >7 and its bass response, I want one now. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From roleo at telus.net Sun Dec 9 17:46:22 2007 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:46:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts References: <120920071242.24934.475BE2CC000712830000616622155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <475BF72A.2060209@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002201c83a83$084956d0$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> Good question! I have had this deck sitting on my shelf for a few years not being used. I have a CR-5 (works with my system remote from my CA-7 preamp.) in my main system, and (sadly) even that I rarely ever use, and I knew the chances of using this one again were slim to none. Although, in my opinion, it is one of the prettiest decks Nakamichi ever made. I have been parting out quality reel to reel decks for years (TEAC X-2000R. X-1000R and AKAI GX -747) and found a large number of people who needed / wanted parts. I thought instead of selling it whole, I would see what the market was like for a quality cassette deck in parts. It took me forever to convince myself to do this. But I finally did it. I hope it helps others to resurrect some decks that have been waiting for a donor... - Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts > So am I! > I've bought many decks (broken) for parts and haven't been able to destroy > them. > My first 680ZX (the picture next to the 680zx on naks.com and the picture > Roland uses in it's auction) was in a bad, bad, bad shape when i bought > it, I just wanted to get it to work and that's what happened. > I think 3-head naks are keepers, 2 head naks (LX-3/480) I have for > parts... if it ever comes to it. > Wouter > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Roland: >> >> Again, I'm not complaining. I am just curious. >> >> >> *andy* >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 18:46:12 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:46:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Parts Message-ID: <28898353.1197222372429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 17:30:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:30:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer Message-ID: <1386194.1197217811196.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I agree with you, and it must be frustrating for Jeff. How about sharing VT's eBay id so NakTalkers can take this into consideration before bidding on his future auctions. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Dec 8, 2007 8:17 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor is not a scammer > > >Shipping money???? Didn't the buyer pay for shipping >along with payment for the item itself? > >-- Ron > > > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> Victor is not a scammer. He decided to sell his enormous collection this spring because of money problems. I am sorry that his problems are acute and still persist. It sounds like the issue is not having the cash for ZX-9 postage. Is anyone here friends with Victor that might shed more light on his situation? >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: Dec 7, 2007 8:13 AM >>> To: Geoffrey Reynolds , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench >>> >>> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >>>> From: >>>> >>>>> I bought a ZX-9 from Victor Trifu on eBay >>>>> 2 weeks ago and he still hasn't sent it. He's just pocketed my money and >>>>> told me that he hasn't sent it because he has "money problems." I was >>>>> looking forward to doing this comparison between these different decks >>>>> and I'll let you know. >>> Far too typical of ebay, though most scammers do not even >>> respond. >>> >>> ebay has a cut off time for complaints (used to be 30 days >>> after auction end. I'm not sure about now), after which they >>> refuse to entertain any complaint. I recommend you file yours >>> as soon as allowed by ebay policy. >>> >>> Be aware that ebay's help is limited to *trying* to contact >>> the scammer. (The whole complaint process is automated.) >>> This is of limited usefulness with most scammers, though it >>> did (finally) prompt my last one to refund my money. Ebay >>> can also cancel the scammer's account, but that is >>> meaningless, since he/she can open a new one, under a new >>> name, immediately. >>> >>> If all else fails, threaten the scammer to contact the police >>> at his/her location. An idle threat, but if the scammer isn't >>> very bright, may produce results. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> -- Ron Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 9 22:45:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:45:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] marthon Tape In-Reply-To: <664542.6629.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <664542.6629.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <475C620F.4030203@rcn.com> The original discs were made by Carlos and cost $5 for the pair of CDs. I wonder whether he still has the original files. Of course, any of us that has the set can make a copy for you. Where are you located? -- Ron Russ Seals wrote: > Hi Ron what ever happen to the marathon tape project I was going > through the archive came across this project and was wondering how I > could get one of these? > or maybe you could tell me who to get in touch with. thanks Russ > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 18:01:06 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:01:06 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: V.Trifu's email Message-ID: <2439515.1197219666093.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 9 17:54:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:54:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Favorite commonly available blank tapes Message-ID: <31625284.1197219255468.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 03:47:06 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:47:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Block Diagram Variations Message-ID: <121020070247.5210.475CA8AA000C79590000145A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have two T-100 Audio Analyzers, one of which I'm selling on eBay right now. (The auction ends in a few minutes...bid early and bid often!) The two T-100's were sitting side-by-side earlier today, and that's when I noticed that the block diagrams on the tops of the units were different. I had never noticed this before. I wish I could take a photo of these two diagrams to show everyone, but the wife is on holiday right now and has the blasted digital camera! Does anyone have any background on why the T-100 (or at the very least, its block diagram) was altered? *andy* From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Dec 10 12:17:40 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:17:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon discs Message-ID: Kermit made the last one. Unfortunately I never received the one I paid for. It appeared to get lost in the mail to Australia. David >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:45:51 -0500 >From: Ron vSubject: Re: [naktalk] marthon Tape >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <475C620F.4030203 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >The original discs were made by Carlos and cost $5 >for the pair of CDs. I wonder whether he still has >the original files. Of course, any of us that has >the set can make a copy for you. Where are you >located? >-- Ron Russ Seals wrote: >> Hi Ron what ever happen to the marathon tape project I was going >> through the archive came across this project and was wondering how I >> could get one of these? >> or maybe you could tell me who to get in touch with. thanks Russ > From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 13:14:46 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:14:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] marthon Tape In-Reply-To: <475C620F.4030203@rcn.com> Message-ID: <175739.78029.qm@web50006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm In Texas and yes I would love a copy if you would tell me what your time is worth I'll send you the money. E-mail me off list if you would. Ron wrote: The original discs were made by Carlos and cost $5 for the pair of CDs. I wonder whether he still has the original files. Of course, any of us that has the set can make a copy for you. Where are you located? -- Ron Russ Seals wrote: > Hi Ron what ever happen to the marathon tape project I was going > through the archive came across this project and was wondering how I > could get one of these? > or maybe you could tell me who to get in touch with. thanks Russ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Dec 10 22:59:19 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:59:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment jig Message-ID: <001101c83b77$ecf58700$c6e09500$@utah.edu> Long time no post. I do have a pressing issue. I need to find out the thickness of Nakamichi's tape guide jig. Wollensak made one about .098 thick however when used to check the naks, the guides are showing a slight variation. A local machine shop is going to build one at .095 thickness. Logically this makes sense. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From jrplosay at gci.net Tue Dec 11 03:41:57 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:41:57 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 Imbalance References: <200712101102.lBAB2BHB026942@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005801c83b9f$664f21c0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Just finished cleaning up a Nak 581 that I picked up. It plays superbly, and I love the styling. And issue cropped up when I tried to run the calibration procedures on some Type II tape. When I put the deck into record and selected the 400Hz record level tone, one meter pegs to the right and one to the left. If I switch to the 15kHz bias adjustment tone, the meters swing the other way (the one that was high is now low, and the one that was low is now high). I'm thinking there may be old orange caps (yes, they're still there) in the record path so I ordered a SM and an OM to make sure I knew what I was doing. Any thoughts? Might somebody make a PDF copy of the tape calibration procedure for me until my OM comes in? Thanks. From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 05:05:02 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:05:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon discs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, You should write to him about it. I know he's sent refunds back to several whose copy got lost. The last I heard from his assistant Ann I don't think he's working any longer because of bad health so if you ask of a refund I know he'd want to send it to you. On Dec 10, 2007 5:17 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit made the last one. Unfortunately I never received the one I paid > for. > It appeared to get lost in the mail to Australia. > > David > > >Message: 9 > >Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:45:51 -0500 > >From: Ron > vSubject: Re: [naktalk] marthon Tape > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <475C620F.4030203 at rcn.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >The original discs were made by Carlos and cost $5 > >for the pair of CDs. I wonder whether he still has > >the original files. Of course, any of us that has > >the set can make a copy for you. Where are you > >located? > > >-- Ron > > > > > Russ Seals wrote: > >> Hi Ron what ever happen to the marathon tape project I was going > >> through the archive came across this project and was wondering how I > >> could get one of these? > >> or maybe you could tell me who to get in touch with. thanks Russ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh, and make sure that the proper tape type is selected (EX/SX/ZX), proper tape EQ (120/70) and Dolby noise reduction is OFF. As for the proper bias / level calibration procedure, it's pretty straightforward. For setting the record level, set the proper tape type and tape EQ, and activate the 400Hz tone. Put the tape monitor switch in "Source" position and verify that both meters are showing 0dB. The put the tape monitor switch into the "Tape" position and start recording. Use a small flathead screwdriver to tweak the left and right level controls for the appropriate tape type until both meters are within at least 1dB of the 0dB mark. To set the bias level, do the same procedure, except activate the 15kHz tone instead. NOTE: The bias adjustment will be significantly more sensitive than the level adjustment. *andy* From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 12:51:55 2007 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:51:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 Message-ID: Hi all! Anyone know where the small push buttons can be obtained?............some of them no longer hold when pushed in. Many thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this was what you were after. Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:59:19 -0700 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment jig To: Message-ID: <001101c83b77$ecf58700$c6e09500$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Long time no post. I do have a pressing issue. I need to find out the thickness of Nakamichi's tape guide jig. Wollensak made one about .098 thick however when used to check the naks, the guides are showing a slight variation. A local machine shop is going to build one at .095 thickness. Logically this makes sense. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Around 4 mic pre-amps but they look slightly used. Audiometrics turntable preamp Appears to be a never used Panasonic RAMSA WR-8112 12 channel mixer in one of those all metal storage cases. Email offlist for contact info as I will not reply onlist. Roland From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 04:02:13 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:02:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 'Display Only' sold Message-ID: Now that the auction is over, I want all the Nakers to know about this. I did not bid (I'm not that crazy!). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160187695818&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have my lovely Nakamichi Dragon although > Alex would say his is lovelier!!> > I bought an Otari reel to reel just yesterday. This sellers father > worked at a radio station and it was a backup that was never used but > it came with XLR input/output. I bought a never used ATI MM100 > impedance matcher for XLR to 1/4" RCA.> > Here are some of the other items this guy had just sitting in storage > as he has NO interest in any of it.> > ATI DP100-1 single source impedance matcher. He has three individual units.> > Around 4 mic pre-amps but they look slightly used.> > Audiometrics turntable preamp> > Appears to be a never used Panasonic RAMSA WR-8112 12 channel mixer > in one of those all metal storage cases.> > Email offlist for contact info as I will not reply onlist.> > Roland> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 11:24 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote: >Dear Roland you wrote...I still have my lovely Nakamichi Dragon although >Alex would say his is lovelier. > >Yes is 100% truer as was a gift of one of my best Music lover" buddy >which pas away... so emotionally I will keep it till I will meet him there...! > >Have a nice Holidays & a superbly 2008 year! > >Cheers, > >ALEX! > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Thu Dec 13 15:29:34 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport Message-ID: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Forum Members: I saw this on ebay ( ebay # 350005841663 ). The seller is from Italy and he has been in this business for sometimes. In this particular ebay item the seller claims that all the belts are original. If that is true, then his asking price is really really good and also good for those of us who have Naks with classic transports. Thanks. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 13 18:47:39 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4761703B.3020102@peromarta.org> Dear all, I recently serviced a CR-4, and the owner walken in with one of these belts, + SM. The belt was definitively NOT original (about 25% narrower), but it did deliver well within specs, no noticeably difference compared to the original. Best rgds, LP. LENA WONG escribió: > Hi Forum Members: > I saw this on ebay ( ebay # 350005841663 ). > The seller is from Italy and he has been in this business for sometimes. > In this particular ebay item the seller claims that all the belts are > original. If that is true, then his asking price is really really good > and also good for those of us who have Naks with classic transports. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Dec 13 18:03:06 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:03:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 8:58:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Hi Forum Members: I saw this on ebay ( ebay # 350005841663 ). The seller is from Italy and he has been in this business for sometimes. In this particular ebay item the seller claims that all the belts are original. If that is true, then his asking price is really really good and also good for those of us who have Naks with classic transports. Thanks. Regards, Mike Hi Mike, I bought one of these belts last year and had it tested on a T-100. It was way better than a PRB, but it did not perform to specs, assuming Gianni is still selling the same belt as last year. Maybe he's found a better one. It does closely resemble the original in size. It also needed a speed adjustment. The same seller's belts for the Sankyo mechanism decks perform at spec, and are a pretty good deal. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Dec 13 18:16:19 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:16:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i've bought a revox a77 service kit from him - he's a good seller, very conscientious, even sent a belt he forgot to pack a few days later.. i email him re. his classic transport belts recently and got this reply: "We use Kenwood, Leader and Meguro W/F Meters, for Nak units W/F std is < 0.06%." he didn't say if they were original though... adrian On 13 Dec 2007, at 14:29, LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Forum Members: > I saw this on ebay ( ebay # > 350005841663 ). The seller is from Italy and he has been in this > business for sometimes. In this particular ebay item the seller > claims that all the belts are original. If that is true, then his > asking price is really really good and also good for those of us > who have Naks with classic transports. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Dec 13 18:49:34 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:49:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476170AE.6070904@marrscommunications.com> Hello Members, F.Y.I., I have purchased this vendors belts for the classic transport. I thought I found a source for the "original" 8096C for MY kits. Very nice product! Only 1 problem, his 8096C belt is too long! Almost NO tension at all ! Happy Holidays, Fred M LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Forum Members: > I saw this on ebay ( ebay # 350005841663 > ). The seller is from Italy and he has been in this business for > sometimes. In this particular ebay item the seller claims that all the > belts are original. If that is true, then his asking price is really > really good and also good for those of us who have Naks with classic > transports. Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Dec 13 18:52:29 2007 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:52:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need Help Message-ID: Hi NakTalkers! I am new to this list and I could not find an answer to my question anywhere else so please pardon me if this question has already been asked before. I have a Cassette Deck 1 which worked fine until one day it stopped playing. It still Rewinds and Fast Forwards but when I press the Play button I hear a click but nothing happens, it does'nt start playing. I was wondering if anyone has experienced the same problem and have any ideas of what could be wrong with it. Any sugestions! Thanks & best regards Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Dec 13 19:23:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:23:49 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/2007 9:56:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: I recently serviced a CR-4, and the owner walken in with one of these belts, + SM. The belt was definitively NOT original (about 25% narrower), but it did deliver well within specs, no noticeably difference compared to the original. Hi Luis, Gianni's belts work fine on the Sankyo transport, within specs as measured on a T-100, but it's the "classic transport" or "standard transport" belts which are the issue. As of the first batch of belts Gianni offered for the classic transport on eBay, they didn't perform at spec. I don't know if he has changed belts now. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 13 19:59:52 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:59:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport References: <949562.77738.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f601c83dba$58d8e540$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Have had belt kits for a CR-3 [excellent] & 682ZX from this guy over the past year. Haven't yet used the capstan one [all the others were fine] for the 682 but the CR-3 was perfect [also confirmed independantly by Jeff W in the States at the same time]. Prices also very reasonable for the quality provided. Would definitely use him again Dave ---- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Belts for Classic Transport Hi Forum Members: I saw this on ebay ( ebay # 350005841663 ). The seller is from Italy and he has been in this business for sometimes. In this particular ebay item the seller claims that all the belts are original. If that is true, then his asking price is really really good and also good for those of us who have Naks with classic transports. Thanks. Regards, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Thanks. > > > Regards, > Mike > > Hi Mike, > > [....] > > The same seller's belts for the Sankyo mechanism decks perform at spec, > and are a pretty good deal. Not surprising, as the Sankyo transport is less critical of belt quality. -- Ron > > Jeff W From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 17:59:21 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:59:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt Message-ID: <4828179.1197651561051.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I found a belt that is a bit loose, but "does no harm". I will test it when I get a chance, but I know Jeff and others might want get one to play with. Pioneer REB-290 is $8.00 retail. It is for the CT-F1000 ! It is a thin, wide 10.3" belt. I have confirmed it fits the classic pulley. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From sad124 at wowway.com Fri Dec 14 23:02:59 2007 From: sad124 at wowway.com (Scott Duncan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:02:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nakamichi TD-35Z Message-ID: <000601c83e9d$179864f0$7fc02f45@DUNCANS> Wondering if any of you pros can help. I have this mobile unit. Everything works great, except recently it stopped accepting tapes. I put a cassette in, the unit holds the tape as if it is going to play, then spits it out. Very frustrating, would love to listen to my tapes again. Any ideas on what causes this problem and is there an easy fix? Or If the fix is extensive, Does anybody know who would repair the unit? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My issue is with a newly recieved Nak 581. It plays superbly, and both channels seem balanced. However, I stuff a Type-II tape in (and have tried several different ones now) on the calibration routine and it goes wacky. Here's the set-up: Tape Type switch to SX Dolby off Tape Equal to 70usec. Rec Level at max There is no tape/source switch even though this is a 3-head deck. Go figure, bean counters .... Pop a tape in a set to record and let her go. Switch calibration switch to 400Hz tone. Left level meter goes to ~-3dB and fluctuates, right meter goes to -13dB solid. Can't be adjusted any further. Switch calibration tone to 15kHz: Left level meter goes to -30dB solid, and right level meter goes to -3dB and fluctuates. I'm thinking old dried caps in the calibration path somewhere, but wanted to get opinions while I wait for my SM and OM to show up. Any other ideas or specifics? Thanks. From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat Dec 15 03:21:59 2007 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:21:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 help References: <15198843.1197070098143.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005701c83ec1$45c1d400$6801a8c0@number2> Tom I finally got around to trying this tonight, and it seems to have worked. I'm a little unsure exactly which thing I did to get it to work, but the end result is that it does. So thanks to you and Andy who sent me laik with pictures (outstanding) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 help Welcome to the world of Nakamichi. Remove the top cover and you will see a white gear and 3 copper leaf contacts. This is the cam gear. At its bottom is a worm gear on a small motor. It is very common for the motor to stall, which can be remedied by squirting contact cleaner inside the tiny slits in the white nylon end of the motor. To get yours running, turn the deck on, press play, and nudge the worm geat with a pencil eraser or your pinkie. It should jump inot play mode. tom brucker ---Original Message----- From: orders at pennysconstruction Sent: Dec 7, 2007 11:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 help I just recently bought a DR-1 from ebay. I just got around to testing it right now. I got some tapes out of storage, and plugged her in, with only a set of wires hooked up to the line output. Nothing on the input. Powered it up, the display works, but displays "Err". The moniter shows "tape" and the tape type is "type 1" None of the buttons make any changes, or work. Then I inserted a Maxell XLII-S 60 tape, then a BASF metal IV 120. I also unpluged the line out wires (though thay work fine with the previous deck). Even tried powering it up with the tapes inserted. Nothing changed. Any ideas on whats wrong, and how I could go about fixing it? I typed everything I could think of, let me know any other info you would like me to post. Thanks Mike Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 15 15:07:45 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:07:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt References: <4828179.1197651561051.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00e201c83f23$e00f8d60$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Tom Found this reference on the 'turntable needles.com' website for the CT-F1000 machine @ only $6 but the measurements are not as your10.3 but as below. Is this the same belt [ur length is after stretching in use] or ? Click4Tips ACCESSORIES Audiophile LP's CARTRIDGES DRIVE BELTS HARDWARE IDLER WHEELS NEEDLES/Styli PRE-AMPS TURNTABLES ?Why Shop Here? Customer Feedback Repair Links About Us Belt Install VIDEO! DRIVE BELTS > 8-TRACK - TAPE DECK - REEL TO REEL > PIONEER > CT-F1000 > AVCR (House Brand) Email this to a friend 9.9 Inch Flat Belt, Medium FBM9.9 Drive belt for many types of equipment. In Stock Starts @ Qty Y $5.95 Detailed Description .025 Inch / .6mm Thick .203 Inch [13/64"] / 5.16mm Wide 9.9 Inch / 25.2cm Inside Circumference (total length) a.. Meets or exceeds OEM specs. Found in many types of equipment. a.. This belt is of recent manufacture. Original belts no longer exist. If they did, they'd be too old to sell in good conscience. As far as we can tell, even if the manufacturer name was stamped on the belt, all belts supplied with original turntables were outsourced to a belt specialist manufacturer, like ours are today. Our belts are made using state-of-the-art vulcanization chemistry, formimg highly crosslinked polymetric structures which ensure long-term elastic stability even under the harshest conditions. a.. Prior to installation of your new belt, the belt path should be cleaned. Here in the repair shop we would use common household rubbing alcohol (isopropyl) or a similar solution to clean the old, (often invisible) belt residue from the entire belt path, including the 'lip' or ridge around the underside of the platter, so it doesn't contaminate the new belt. With the belt off, we would get the turntable into play condition and hold an alcohol soaked Q-tip on the side of the spinning belt motor pulley. It's amazing how much black contamination comes off from the old belt. See our belt installation page for related details. Mail Orders: Click Letter Your Cart Is Empty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt >I found a belt that is a bit loose, but "does no harm". I will test it when >I get a chance, but I know Jeff and others might want get one to play with. >Pioneer REB-290 is $8.00 retail. It is for the CT-F1000 ! It is a thin, >wide 10.3" belt. 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However, I stuff a Type-II tape in (and have > tried several different ones now) on the calibration routine and it goes > wacky. > > Here's the set-up: > Tape Type switch to SX > Dolby off > Tape Equal to 70usec. > Rec Level at max > There is no tape/source switch even though this is a 3-head deck. Go > figure, bean counters .... I believe the 481 was a low cost 3 head deck. It dis offer the sonic advantage of dedicated rec and PB heads, but not the record monitoring facility. With no tape monitoring, only about half the electronics is required, which allowed Nak to offer it at far lower cost than, say, the 582. -- Ron > Pop a tape in a set to record and let her go. Switch calibration switch > to 400Hz tone. Left level meter goes to ~-3dB and fluctuates, right > meter goes to -13dB solid. Can't be adjusted any further. Switch > calibration tone to 15kHz: Left level meter goes to -30dB solid, and > right level meter goes to -3dB and fluctuates. > > I'm thinking old dried caps in the calibration path somewhere, but > wanted to get opinions while I wait for my SM and OM to show up. Any > other ideas or specifics? Thanks. From dbauer45 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 15:46:43 2007 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:46:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 581 - Strange Imbalance on Calibration References: <200712141100.lBEB0SAr016809@zxe.naks.com> <001f01c83ebd$0353be20$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <000b01c83e60$254e9a70$0100a8c0@asusm2n4sli> Jim, I think the only difference between the 581 and 582 is the tape monitor circuitry and monitor switch. The bean counters back in the day had price points to meet and the 480 / 580 lines were respectively, 2-head, 3-head w/o tape monitor, and 3-head with tape monitor. Back when I was a young bean myself, my entry level 480 was the jewel of my system. Now my 582 and 680ZX are filling the desires of my youth and the tapes made so long ago on the 480 are still just stunning to listen to. So if you need that monitor loop watch for an X82. I can not help with your calibration problem, but it sounds like you are on the right track by suspecting orange caps. Here is a link to a 582 service manual. Again, it should be applicable to your deck without the monitor circuitry. http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/pdf/nakamichi_582_service_manual.pdf Cheers, dino ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Plosay" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] 581 - Strange Imbalance on Calibration > Sorry to all, as I started this thread right before I disappeared on > business travel and couldn't keep it going. > > My issue is with a newly recieved Nak 581. It plays superbly, and both > channels seem balanced. However, I stuff a Type-II tape in (and have > tried several different ones now) on the calibration routine and it goes > wacky. > > Here's the set-up: > Tape Type switch to SX > Dolby off > Tape Equal to 70usec. > Rec Level at max > There is no tape/source switch even though this is a 3-head deck. Go > figure, bean counters .... > > Pop a tape in a set to record and let her go. Switch calibration switch > to 400Hz tone. Left level meter goes to ~-3dB and fluctuates, right meter > goes to -13dB solid. Can't be adjusted any further. Switch calibration > tone to 15kHz: Left level meter goes to -30dB solid, and right level > meter goes to -3dB and fluctuates. > > I'm thinking old dried caps in the calibration path somewhere, but wanted > to get opinions while I wait for my SM and OM to show up. Any other ideas > or specifics? Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at verizon.net Sat Dec 15 16:21:43 2007 From: jmtooley at verizon.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:21:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: <2538DCE4CCC54EE9821C04C7A11F7992@JohnPC> Would this interest cassette deck folks? EBay Item number: 260193969994. John T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sun Dec 16 13:56:41 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:56:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. Message-ID: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jim Just a quick email to try to steer you in the right direction. From your descriptions, it doesn't sound to me like an orange cap problem or to do with defective electrolytics - it sounds like your record head is out of alignment. You have said that it plays back ok on both channels, so please don't change the play head azimuth or track alignment adjusters - the little white plastic toothed discs near the play head. The record head and play head are close together - the record head is on the left as you look at the headblock. (Further to the left is the erase head). On the headblock, the leftmost adjuster is record head azimuth, second from the left is a vertical cluster of three white plastic discs - the centre one is the record head track alignment. I believe your problem lies here. Get hold of an owners manual, and check out the record level adjustment procedure at 400Hz - but instead of adjusting the record level presets, firstly adjust the track alignment of the record head - adjust it so as to maximise the output at 400Hz - while you are doing this, don't be concerned at the absolute level, or whether the L and R channels are the same - simply try to maximise L and R whatever they may read. After this rough adjustment of record head track alignment, adjust record head azimuth at 15KHz as per the owners manual - once again, don't be too concerned about absolute level, adjust azimuth for a maximum value of L and R at 15KHz. Then adjust record level using the record level presets for the type of tape you are recording on. Hopefully by now, the record head is at least roughly adjusted. Now repeat the whole lot and hopefully you will end up reasonably close to the mark -? keep repeating until no further changes occur. I'm assuming that your newly acquired 581 doesn't have some other major misalignment or service need - but the fact that it plays ok indicates to me that the record head alignment is the first place to look. Good luck - I hope the above helps rather than confuses. ? Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 16 15:24:16 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:24:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter In-Reply-To: <2538DCE4CCC54EE9821C04C7A11F7992@JohnPC> References: <2538DCE4CCC54EE9821C04C7A11F7992@JohnPC> Message-ID: <47653510.9050306@rcn.com> I'm intrigued and would like to bid on it. If anyone else is interested, please let me know (no sense in us bidding against each other and jacking up the price). -- Ron John M. Tooley wrote: > Would this interest cassette deck folks? EBay Item number: 260193969994. > > John T. > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 16 20:24:34 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:24:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. In-Reply-To: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47657B72.3090207@peromarta.org> And take care while you are at it. MOre than 1 full turn of the adjustment gears may indicate fault is somewhere else. If you playback head is missaligned, you may be getting the exact same simptoms. I think you could use a reference. http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_faq.html Best rgds, LP. johngipps at aol.com escribió: > Hi Jim > > Just a quick email to try to steer you in the right direction. From your > descriptions, it doesn't sound to me like an orange cap problem or to do > with defective electrolytics - it sounds like your record head is out of > alignment. You have said that it plays back ok on both channels, so > please don't change the play head azimuth or track alignment adjusters - > the little white plastic toothed discs near the play head. > > The record head and play head are close together - the record head is on > the left as you look at the headblock. (Further to the left is the erase > head). On the headblock, the leftmost adjuster is record head azimuth, > second from the left is a vertical cluster of three white plastic discs > - the centre one is the record head track alignment. I believe your > problem lies here. > > Get hold of an owners manual, and check out the record level adjustment > procedure at 400Hz - but instead of adjusting the record level presets, > firstly adjust the track alignment of the record head - adjust it so as > to maximise the output at 400Hz - while you are doing this, don't be > concerned at the absolute level, or whether the L and R channels are the > same - simply try to maximise L and R whatever they may read. > > After this rough adjustment of record head track alignment, adjust > record head azimuth at 15KHz as per the owners manual - once again, > don't be too concerned about absolute level, adjust azimuth for a > maximum value of L and R at 15KHz. Then adjust record level using the > record level presets for the type of tape you are recording on. > > Hopefully by now, the record head is at least roughly adjusted. Now > repeat the whole lot and hopefully you will end up reasonably close to > the mark - keep repeating until no further changes occur. > > I'm assuming that your newly acquired 581 doesn't have some other major > misalignment or service need - but the fact that it plays ok indicates > to me that the record head alignment is the first place to look. > > Good luck - I hope the above helps rather than confuses. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail > ! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From redwolf754 at charter.net Sun Dec 16 20:46:26 2007 From: redwolf754 at charter.net (Kenneth Shiflett) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:46:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c8401c$58a66160$030fa8c0@boxq30> Sounds like a broken belt -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need Help Hi NakTalkers! I am new to this list and I could not find an answer to my question anywhere else so please pardon me if this question has already been asked before. I have a Cassette Deck 1 which worked fine until one day it stopped playing. It still Rewinds and Fast Forwards but when I press the Play button I hear a click but nothing happens, it does'nt start playing. I was wondering if anyone has experienced the same problem and have any ideas of what could be wrong with it. Any sugestions! Thanks & best regards Nadeem _____ Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sun Dec 16 20:49:28 2007 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:49:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. References: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <47657B72.3090207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <013201c8401c$c5a22920$6801a8c0@number2> LP Can you tell me about the equipment you have in the picture called "azumuth adjustment" in this link http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html Or hit me with a link, or something I could look into it myself. I'm thinking that is a test equipment that shows a pattern while you adjust the playback head, yes? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. > And take care while you are at it. MOre than 1 full turn of the > adjustment gears may indicate fault is somewhere else. If you playback > head is missaligned, you may be getting the exact same simptoms. > > I think you could use a reference. > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_faq.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > johngipps at aol.com escribió: > > Hi Jim > > > > Just a quick email to try to steer you in the right direction. From your > > descriptions, it doesn't sound to me like an orange cap problem or to do > > with defective electrolytics - it sounds like your record head is out of > > alignment. You have said that it plays back ok on both channels, so > > please don't change the play head azimuth or track alignment adjusters - > > the little white plastic toothed discs near the play head. > > > > The record head and play head are close together - the record head is on > > the left as you look at the headblock. (Further to the left is the erase > > head). On the headblock, the leftmost adjuster is record head azimuth, > > second from the left is a vertical cluster of three white plastic discs > > - the centre one is the record head track alignment. I believe your > > problem lies here. > > > > Get hold of an owners manual, and check out the record level adjustment > > procedure at 400Hz - but instead of adjusting the record level presets, > > firstly adjust the track alignment of the record head - adjust it so as > > to maximise the output at 400Hz - while you are doing this, don't be > > concerned at the absolute level, or whether the L and R channels are the > > same - simply try to maximise L and R whatever they may read. > > > > After this rough adjustment of record head track alignment, adjust > > record head azimuth at 15KHz as per the owners manual - once again, > > don't be too concerned about absolute level, adjust azimuth for a > > maximum value of L and R at 15KHz. Then adjust record level using the > > record level presets for the type of tape you are recording on. > > > > Hopefully by now, the record head is at least roughly adjusted. Now > > repeat the whole lot and hopefully you will end up reasonably close to > > the mark - keep repeating until no further changes occur. > > > > I'm assuming that your newly acquired 581 doesn't have some other major > > misalignment or service need - but the fact that it plays ok indicates > > to me that the record head alignment is the first place to look. > > > > Good luck - I hope the above helps rather than confuses. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail > > ! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jrplosay at gci.net Mon Dec 17 05:36:17 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:36:17 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - Strange Imbalance on Calibration References: <200712161102.lBGB1wgq006390@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <01f301c84066$5d6151c0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Any other confirmations of probable (possible) orange-cap disease? Other possible things to look for (bad transistor in the rec circuit)? From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 17 07:18:37 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/2007 7:07:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: I'm intrigued and would like to bid on it. If anyone else is interested, please let me know (no sense in us bidding against each other and jacking up the price). -- Ron Hey Ron, I'm also interested in it. How much do you want it? Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 17 09:16:21 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:16:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. In-Reply-To: <013201c8401c$c5a22920$6801a8c0@number2> References: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <47657B72.3090207@peromarta.org> <013201c8401c$c5a22920$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <47663055.9010309@peromarta.org> orders at pennysconstruction escribió: > LP > Can you tell me about the equipment you have in the picture called "azumuth > adjustment" in this link http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html > Or hit me with a link, or something I could look into it myself. I'm > thinking that is a test equipment that shows a pattern while you adjust the > playback head, yes? > Thanks Mike Correct, It's a T-100 analyzer. It's an all-in-one Nakamichi Audio Analyzer. It's not only for the playback head, It's used throughout the deck for adjustments. It's a level and peak meter, tone generator, wow&flutter meter, etc. You can do without it, however, for most part of the calibration proccess, but certainly, not others. Best rgds, LP. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Dec 17 12:45:21 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:45:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: <121720071145.5769.47666151000D4BC70000168922155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was going to bid on it as well, but not very strongly, as my T-100 that does me just fine. *andy* From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Mon Dec 17 13:20:38 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:20:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <16567197.1197894038219.JavaMail.root@ps1> Hello Jim and John, Good explanation of John, very clear. Additional; I would like you to first take a look at the left pivot arm containing the left pinch roller and tape guide. If this one has got stuck on its post (old grease hardening with age) The post will pivot in the chassis it stickt into. And this will cause a misalignment of the tape guide which will result in the symptoms you've mentioned. If this is the cause aligning record (play) heads will only result in further mis alignment. So please note the status of this pivot first. If this pivot post is fixed and the pivot arm is freely moving (compare with the right pivot) then this should be OK. Then adjusting record head might be worth a try, but the cause of misalignment in record head is a mistery. Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ------------------------------ Hi Jim Just a quick email to try to steer you in the right direction. From your descriptions, it doesn't sound to me like an orange cap problem or to do with defective electrolytics - it sounds like your record head is out of alignment. You have said that it plays back ok on both channels, so please don't change the play head azimuth or track alignment adjusters - the little white plastic toothed discs near the play head. The record head and play head are close together - the record head is on the left as you look at the headblock. (Further to the left is the erase head). On the headblock, the leftmost adjuster is record head azimuth, second from the left is a vertical cluster of three white plastic discs - the centre one is the record head track alignment. I believe your problem lies here. Get hold of an owners manual, and check out the record level adjustment procedure at 400Hz - but instead of adjusting the record level presets, firstly adjust the track alignment of the record head - adjust it so as to maximise the output at 400Hz - while you are doing this, don't be concerned at the absolute level, or whether the L and R channels are the same - simply try to maximise L and R whatever they may read. After this rough adjustment of record head track alignment, adjust record head azimuth at 15KHz as per the owners manual - once again, don't be too concerned about absolute level, adjust azimuth for a maximum value of L and R at 15KHz. Then adjust record level using the record level presets for the type of tape you are recording on. Hopefully by now, the record head is at least roughly adjusted. Now repeat the whole lot and hopefully you will end up reasonably close to the mark - keep repeating until no further changes occur. I'm assuming that your newly acquired 581 doesn't have some other major misalignment or service need - but the fact that it plays ok indicates to me that the record head alignment is the first place to look. Good luck - I hope the above helps rather than confuses. Regards John Gipps From orders at pennysconstruction.com Mon Dec 17 13:54:18 2007 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:54:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. References: <8CA0DFA3CCA8822-C10-4680@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> <47657B72.3090207@peromarta.org><013201c8401c$c5a22920$6801a8c0@number2> <47663055.9010309@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <007001c840ab$efeef7a0$6801a8c0@number2> LP Thanks for the reply. Anybody know of something like this that is just for playback head adjustment? Is there such a thing? Or should I just use my ear? I have a DR-1 and I checked out the playback head. You can hear the adjustment. Thanks Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re 581 - strange imbalance on calibration. > > > orders at pennysconstruction escribió: > > LP > > Can you tell me about the equipment you have in the picture called "azumuth > > adjustment" in this link http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html > > Or hit me with a link, or something I could look into it myself. I'm > > thinking that is a test equipment that shows a pattern while you adjust the > > playback head, yes? > > Thanks Mike > > Correct, It's a T-100 analyzer. It's an all-in-one Nakamichi Audio > Analyzer. It's not only for the playback head, It's used throughout the > deck for adjustments. It's a level and peak meter, tone generator, > wow&flutter meter, etc. > > You can do without it, however, for most part of the calibration > proccess, but certainly, not others. > > Best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 17 15:17:46 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:17:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - Strange Imbalance on Calibration In-Reply-To: <01f301c84066$5d6151c0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> References: <200712161102.lBGB1wgq006390@zxe.naks.com> <01f301c84066$5d6151c0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <4766850A.1010208@rcn.com> Jim Plosay wrote: > Any other confirmations of probable (possible) orange-cap disease? Why not resort to old, boring, non-glamorous, mundane troubleshooting? Like, maybe, feed a signal to both channels and measure level at both meters; go back, stage by stage, until you hit on the cause for the low reading meter; correct the cause. Who, knows, it may even be an orange (or green or black) cap. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 17 15:23:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47668646.5050206@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/2007 7:07:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > I'm intrigued and would like to bid on it. If > anyone else is interested, please let me know > (no sense in us bidding against each other > and jacking up the price). > > -- Ron > > Hey Ron, > > I'm also interested in it. How much do you want it? It's one instrument that I do not already have. I thought it would be fun to play with it. I would like to get it, but bid through Snipe and can easily cancel. I do have some other projects for the cold winter days, so, if you really want it, just let me know. It's no big deal. -- Ron > > Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 17 15:24:38 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:24:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter In-Reply-To: <121720071145.5769.47666151000D4BC70000168922155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <121720071145.5769.47666151000D4BC70000168922155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <476686A6.50202@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I was going to bid on it as well, but not very strongly, as my T-100 that does me just fine. I doubt very much it's 1/10 as good as a T-100. Why bother? -- Rom From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Dec 17 15:47:21 2007 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:47:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need Help In-Reply-To: <004001c8401c$58a66160$030fa8c0@boxq30> References: <004001c8401c$58a66160$030fa8c0@boxq30> Message-ID: Thanks for your reply! Upon checking I found out that the capstan belt was loose. I have bought a new belt and will try to replace it and see if it works. Thanks for the replay again. Regards From: redwolf754 at charter.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need HelpDate: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:46:26 -0600 Sounds like a broken belt -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes BenzSent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:52 AMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Not Playing Need Help Hi NakTalkers! I am new to this list and I could not find an answer to my question anywhere else so please pardon me if this question has already been asked before. I have a Cassette Deck 1 which worked fine until one day it stopped playing. It still Rewinds and Fast Forwards but when I press the Play button I hear a click but nothing happens, it does'nt start playing. I was wondering if anyone has experienced the same problem and have any ideas of what could be wrong with it. Any sugestions! Thanks & best regards Nadeem Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 17:02:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:02:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <8579896.1197907331538.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Wait a minute gang. Didn't he say EX and ZX calibrated fine? If so, the head alignment is fine. The problem is probably due to underbias in the bad channel. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "wnn523484 at tiscali.nl" >Sent: Dec 17, 2007 6:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration > >Hello Jim and John, > >Good explanation of John, very clear. > >Additional; I would like you to first take a look at the left pivot >arm containing the left pinch roller and tape guide. If this one has >got stuck on its post (old grease hardening with age) The post will >pivot in the chassis it stickt into. And this will cause a misalignment >of the tape guide which will result in the symptoms you've mentioned. > >If this is the cause aligning record (play) heads will only result in >further mis alignment. So please note the status of this pivot first. >If this pivot post is fixed and the pivot arm is freely moving (compare >with the right pivot) then this should be OK. Then adjusting record >head might be worth a try, but the cause of misalignment in record head >is a mistery. > >Henk Schenk >Netherlands >www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >------------------------------ >Hi Jim > >Just a quick email to try to steer you in the right direction. From >your descriptions, it doesn't sound to me like an orange cap problem or >to do with defective electrolytics - it sounds like your record head is >out of alignment. You have said that it plays back ok on both channels, >so please don't change the play head azimuth or track alignment >adjusters - the little white plastic toothed discs near the play head. > >The record head and play head are close together - the record head is >on the left as you look at the headblock. (Further to the left is the >erase head). On the headblock, the leftmost adjuster is record head >azimuth, second from the left is a vertical cluster of three white >plastic discs - the centre one is the record head track alignment. I >believe your problem lies here. > >Get hold of an owners manual, and check out the record level >adjustment procedure at 400Hz - but instead of adjusting the record >level presets, firstly adjust the track alignment of the record head - >adjust it so as to maximise the output at 400Hz - while you are doing >this, don't be concerned at the absolute level, or whether the L and R >channels are the same - simply try to maximise L and R whatever they >may read. > >After this rough adjustment of record head track alignment, adjust >record head azimuth at 15KHz as per the owners manual - once again, >don't be too concerned about absolute level, adjust azimuth for a >maximum value of L and R at 15KHz. Then adjust record level using the >record level presets for the type of tape you are recording on. > >Hopefully by now, the record head is at least roughly adjusted. Now >repeat the whole lot and hopefully you will end up reasonably close to >the mark - keep repeating until no further changes occur. > >I'm assuming that your newly acquired 581 doesn't have some other >major misalignment or service need - but the fact that it plays ok >indicates to me that the record head alignment is the first place to >look. > >Good luck - I hope the above helps rather than confuses. > >Regards > >John Gipps > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 16:52:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:52:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt Message-ID: <2303042.1197906776603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I measured it and it is indeed 9.9 inches. It does feel a bit loose, but it is better than the classic when it is too stretched to work, and it is thin. Marrs Communications' belts are the best bet right now. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com >Sent: Dec 15, 2007 8:07 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt > >Tom > >Found this reference on the 'turntable needles.com' website for the CT-F1000 >machine @ only $6 but the measurements are not as your10.3 but as below. Is >this the same belt [ur length is after stretching in use] or ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Click4Tips > > > > > ACCESSORIES > > Audiophile LP's > > CARTRIDGES > > DRIVE BELTS > > HARDWARE > > IDLER WHEELS > > NEEDLES/Styli > > PRE-AMPS > > TURNTABLES > > > > > > ?Why Shop Here? > > Customer Feedback > > Repair Links > > About Us > > Belt Install VIDEO! > > > > > > DRIVE BELTS > 8-TRACK - TAPE DECK - REEL TO REEL > PIONEER > > CT-F1000 > > > AVCR (House Brand) > > > > Email this to a friend > > 9.9 Inch Flat Belt, Medium FBM9.9 > Drive belt for many types of equipment. > > In Stock Starts @ Qty > Y $5.95 > > > > Detailed Description > .025 Inch / .6mm Thick > .203 Inch [13/64"] / 5.16mm Wide > 9.9 Inch / 25.2cm Inside Circumference (total length) > > > > > a.. Meets or exceeds OEM specs. Found in many types of >equipment. > a.. This belt is of recent manufacture. Original belts no >longer exist. If they did, they'd be too old to sell in good conscience. As >far as we can tell, even if the manufacturer name was stamped on the belt, >all belts supplied with original turntables were outsourced to a belt >specialist manufacturer, like ours are today. Our belts are made using >state-of-the-art vulcanization chemistry, formimg highly crosslinked >polymetric structures which ensure long-term elastic stability even under >the harshest conditions. > a.. Prior to installation of your new belt, the belt path >should be cleaned. Here in the repair shop we would use common household >rubbing alcohol (isopropyl) or a similar solution to clean the old, (often >invisible) belt residue from the entire belt path, including the 'lip' or >ridge around the underside of the platter, so it doesn't contaminate the new >belt. With the belt off, we would get the turntable into play condition and >hold an alcohol soaked Q-tip on the side of the spinning belt motor pulley. >It's amazing how much black contamination comes off from the old belt. See >our belt installation page for related details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Orders: Click Letter > > > > Your Cart Is Empty > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Brucker" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:59 PM >Subject: [naktalk] pretty good classic capstan belt > > >>I found a belt that is a bit loose, but "does no harm". I will test it when >>I get a chance, but I know Jeff and others might want get one to play with. >>Pioneer REB-290 is $8.00 retail. It is for the CT-F1000 ! It is a thin, >>wide 10.3" belt. I have confirmed it fits the classic pulley. >> >> tom >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: >> 13/12/2007 09:15 >> >> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 17 16:58:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:58:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: <29088502.1197907110178.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a Leader LFM-3610 w/f meter for $35 if anyone wants one. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Dec 16, 2007 8:24 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter > > >I'm intrigued and would like to bid on it. If >anyone else is interested, please let me know >(no sense in us bidding against each other >and jacking up the price). > >-- Ron > > > > >John M. Tooley wrote: >> Would this interest cassette deck folks? EBay Item number: 260193969994. >> >> John T. >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 17 17:23:28 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:23:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/2007 8:03:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: It's one instrument that I do not already have. I thought it would be fun to play with it. I would like to get it, but bid through Snipe and can easily cancel. I do have some other projects for the cold winter days, so, if you really want it, just let me know. It's no big deal. -- Ron Hi Ron, It would speed up my belt quest. I don't have a T-100. I'm going to bid on it, but I can't afford to go too high. BTW, it looks like Vistor Trifu burned me. I opened a dispute on Paypal. He hasn't responded (or sent the ZX-9). His phone is now disconnected. Jeff **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Mon Dec 17 18:13:33 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:13:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit Application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a tad long winded but This is my problem culled from the Naktalk forum... In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave Jay, I concur with Dave. Most like the reel motor is playing up cause it has not been used. Reviving this motor by cleaning the brushes is not likely to be possible. Cleaning with de-oxid as Dave describes is a possible alternative. Changing the motor (with reel assembly) is another option. A less sure, but easy, option is to leave the deck into FF action without cassette for at least an hour. Squirting deoxid will be a plus during this time. And then try again. It might work, but the problem can re-appear after prolonged period of non use. Keep the Naks alive, Henk Schenk, Netherlandshttp://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ I'm back up and running. I think it was leaving it on FF for an hour and a half about 3 or four times in 1 with a combo of deoxit and just rechecking to make sure the wheel was seated down in that groove. It's nice to be hearing things I didn't know were there again. I slapped in an XLII of a perfectly recorded Quadrophenia, off of brand new virgin vinyl circa 1989, recorded on a halfway decent TEAC deck, and man oh man. 3 dimensional doesn't begin to describe it. That particular tape always sounded good, I remember making it knowing it was going to sound good, but it's nice to be surprised by an 18 year old cassette. Jay So...here it is 2 months later, and the machine is back to not working again. I'm pretty sure that I'm NOT applying the DeOxit in the proper place, and I would love to give that another go round before I allow someone else the privilege of the oh-so-expensive sounding Shipping, replacement of the reel motor, and return shipping. If you all could try to give a VERY detailed description of EXACTLY where to squirt that De-Oxit. "You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor", is good and I totally appreciate it, but the way my mind works is I need a photo or really specific GPS coordinates. I would totally appreciate second opinions too, even if it's just restating the same thing a different way. Sometimes Nakamichi gets lost in translation. _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Mon Dec 17 19:06:25 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:06:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <31798083.1197914785553.JavaMail.root@ps4> Jim, Tom Bruckner is right. I had not seen the calibration was fine on specific tape types and wrong in one. This directs in the way Tom is pointing to. Sorry, I did not do my home work (once again). Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ------------- Wait a minute gang. Didn't he say EX and ZX calibrated fine? If so, the head alignment is fine. The problem is probably due to underbias in the bad channel. tom brucker From lenaw at flash.net Mon Dec 17 19:31:20 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:31:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <916285.64884.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Sorry to hear what has happened to you. I believe that you should be able to recover your money from PayPal as I believe the insurance for Victor Trifu from PayPal should be good to $2000 based on his past record. Take care. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/17/2007 8:03:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: It's one instrument that I do not already have. I thought it would be fun to play with it. I would like to get it, but bid through Snipe and can easily cancel. I do have some other projects for the cold winter days, so, if you really want it, just let me know. It's no big deal. -- Ron Hi Ron, It would speed up my belt quest. I don't have a T-100. I'm going to bid on it, but I can't afford to go too high. BTW, it looks like Vistor Trifu burned me. I opened a dispute on Paypal. He hasn't responded (or sent the ZX-9). His phone is now disconnected. Jeff --------------------------------- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kskreider at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 20:29:25 2007 From: kskreider at gmail.com (Keith S. Kreider) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:29:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Repair (ZX-7 and CR-5A) Message-ID: <4766CE15.5060305@gmail.com> Hi folks, I am back on the list after a lengthy hiatus. (I unsubbed back in 10/2004) Someone on an on-line forum had suggested that I post a query here to search for a place to repair one or both of my decks without waiting in the lengthy ESL queue. I have one ZX-7 that has a left channel that drops out partially. It has done this erratically for a while and it has been 'serviced' by Paul at Pro Digital twice, yet the problems re-arises. Someone noted a phenomena referred to as "orange cap disease" which is news to me. I also have a CR-5A that does not always allow me to FFW or RW all of the time like it is hitting resistance. Other times it will stop playing mid tape side. I know that it is in need of gears. I can replace the tires easily, but if it sits for a few months I have to do it again and I think that gears may fix the problem. I would like to find someone close to home if possible, but will obviously ship it when/if needed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Keith From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 17 22:41:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:41:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Repair (ZX-7 and CR-5A) In-Reply-To: <4766CE15.5060305@gmail.com> References: <4766CE15.5060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4766ED0E.30309@rcn.com> Keith S. Kreider wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am back on the list after a lengthy hiatus. (I unsubbed back in 10/2004) > > Someone on an on-line forum had suggested that I post a query here to > search for a place to repair one or both of my decks without waiting in > the lengthy ESL queue. > > I have one ZX-7 that has a left channel that drops out partially. It > has done this erratically for a while and it has been 'serviced' by Paul > at Pro Digital twice, yet the problems re-arises. Someone noted a > phenomena referred to as "orange cap disease" which is news to me. > > I also have a CR-5A that does not always allow me to FFW or RW all of > the time like it is hitting resistance. Other times it will stop > playing mid tape side. I know that it is in need of gears. I can > replace the tires easily, but if it sits for a few months I have to do > it again and I think that gears may fix the problem. > > I would like to find someone close to home if possible, but will > obviously ship it when/if needed. Any insight is greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Keith Re your CR-5: it's not enough to just replace the tire. You should make sure everything else is in working condition, then service, clean and lube the deck. If done properly, a new tire should last fro a couple of years of normal service, longer for occasional use. You want someone 'close to home', yet refrained from stating where 'home' was... -- Ron From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 17 23:46:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:46:49 EST Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES Message-ID: The techies delight has now appeared on eBay check this listing out - 320197673728 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 01:42:42 2007 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:42:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Closet Cleanout References: <4766CE15.5060305@gmail.com> <4766ED0E.30309@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8410e$e6c69260$0100a8c0@asusm2n4sli> Would anyone be interested in a new, untouched DR-10? I picked it up from a failed retailer who presented me with the unopened box. It has never been touched by human hands. I verified its fully working condition using cotton gloves and a Maxell metal tape and repackaged it after recording and playing back for a few minutes. Serious inquiries only. dino From kskreider at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 23:44:17 2007 From: kskreider at gmail.com (Keith S. Kreider) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:44:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Location Message-ID: <4766FBC1.3010107@gmail.com> Sorry Folks, I meant to mention that I am located in the San Francisco Bay Area. Northern California. Thanks for the replies that have come in so far. Keith From ivchat at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 02:19:42 2007 From: ivchat at gmail.com (Ivo Atanasov) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:19:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Closet Cleanout In-Reply-To: <002c01c8410e$e6c69260$0100a8c0@asusm2n4sli> References: <4766CE15.5060305@gmail.com> <4766ED0E.30309@rcn.com> <002c01c8410e$e6c69260$0100a8c0@asusm2n4sli> Message-ID: <491dedb60712171719x3c248c70n2829ff71ec97bcb6@mail.gmail.com> Hello Dino, I'm interested. I have 10 naks, most working perfect, but not DR10. What's the price and where is your location? Regards Ivo On Dec 17, 2007 4:42 PM, Dean Bauer wrote: > Would anyone be interested in a new, untouched DR-10? I picked it up from > a > failed retailer who presented me with the unopened box. It has never been > touched by human hands. I verified its fully working condition using > cotton > gloves and a Maxell metal tape and repackaged it after recording and > playing back for a few minutes. > > Serious inquiries only. > > dino > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Dec 18 02:24:25 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:24:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c84114$ba080be0$3201000a@gabrenas> I am interested however however many others are as well? Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES The techies delight has now appeared on eBay check this listing out - 320197673728 See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 01:16:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:16:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nakamichi TD-35Z Message-ID: <27586776.1197937019044.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Dec 18 04:03:29 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:03:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig In-Reply-To: <8CA0A2D2121A727-5F8-124D@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01c84122$910b27a0$3201000a@gabrenas> I am not sure if Nakamichi's guide gauge is anything like this however I have found a machinist that has created a very nice jig or gauge that measures .095" thick and two tools at .150" for setting the tape path. I need to take some photos and post it when I get a sec. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   -----Original Message----- From: johngipps at aol.com [mailto:johngipps at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; gabrenas at math.utah.edu Subject: Nakamichi Alignment Jig Hi Victor I hope I've interpreted your email correctly. I'm assuming that you're asking the thickness of the slides on a Nakamichi DA9051 gauge - these slides are moved to contact the guide surface on which the tape runs in the "classic transport", and facilitate guide alignment. The left hand (supply roller guide) slide is 3.81mm thick (0.150"), and while the right hand (take-up roller guide) slide itself is also 3.81mm, it is tipped and has a tip thickness of 4.39mm (0.173"). I hadn't noticed this tip previously, but the take-up side guide does have a noticeably wider channel than the supply side guide. Hope this was what you were after. Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:59:19 -0700 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment jig To: Message-ID: <001101c83b77$ecf58700$c6e09500$@utah.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Long time no post. I do have a pressing issue. I need to find out the thickness of Nakamichi's tape guide jig. Wollensak made one about .098 thick however when used to check the naks, the guides are showing a slight variation. A local machine shop is going to build one at .095 thickness. Logically this makes sense. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 08:14:52 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:14:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110712172314l25c5d878gfc4f9b31eafd278f@mail.gmail.com> Um. Wow. I guess there's no point trying to get everyone else to not bid so I can steal these huh :-) -Tim On Dec 17, 2007 4:46 PM, wrote: > > The techies delight has now appeared on eBay > check this listing out - > 320197673728 > > > ________________________________ > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 08:32:53 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:32:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110712172314l25c5d878gfc4f9b31eafd278f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110712172314l25c5d878gfc4f9b31eafd278f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110712172332q4563fa62u830beea0869ed669@mail.gmail.com> Okay I'm the high bidder at $75 - DON'T MESS THIS UP FOR ME GUYS:-) -Tim On Dec 18, 2007 1:14 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Um. Wow. I guess there's no point trying to get everyone else to not > bid so I can steal these huh :-) > > -Tim > > > On Dec 17, 2007 4:46 PM, wrote: > > > > The techies delight has now appeared on eBay > > check this listing out - > > 320197673728 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 10:04:15 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:04:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: <000601c84114$ba080be0$3201000a@gabrenas> References: <000601c84114$ba080be0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <6bddc1110712180104v54c35db6l2d575ca3f082a3db@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure - I was joking. There is no way that this will be as cheap as I want it to be by the sale date, but I can dream. And extort :-) -Tim On Dec 17, 2007 7:24 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > I am interested however however many others are as well? > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Bansijeff at aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES > > The techies delight has now appeared on eBay > check this listing out - > 320197673728 > > > > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 14:22:08 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:22:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wow and flutter meter Message-ID: <121820071322.11468.4767C98000046D1900002CCC22147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: >I doubt very much it's 1/10 as good as a T-100. Why bother? Just for the play factor. Something to mess around with. Don't you like to tinker now and then? But I have decided not to bid on it, since it does seem to have interest from others on Naktalk. Good luck, if you decide to go for it. *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 15:34:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:34:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES Message-ID: <28249.1197988451947.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I've got a big bid in. I don't need the set, but someone on NakTalk does. It will get passed on. Willy, do you have a complete set? Luis? Tim, are you interested for yourself or are you repairing for others? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Skorick >Sent: Dec 18, 2007 1:32 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES > >Okay I'm the high bidder at $75 - DON'T MESS THIS UP FOR ME GUYS:-) > >-Tim > >On Dec 18, 2007 1:14 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: >> Um. Wow. I guess there's no point trying to get everyone else to not >> bid so I can steal these huh :-) >> >> -Tim >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2007 4:46 PM, wrote: >> > >> > The techies delight has now appeared on eBay >> > check this listing out - >> > 320197673728 >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 15:17:16 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:17:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Location Message-ID: <28631071.1197987436757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Keith, I recommend Willy Herman. He lives in your area. I could also do them but I have turned into one of those slow technicians too. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Keith S. Kreider" >Sent: Dec 17, 2007 4:44 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Location > >Sorry Folks, I meant to mention that I am located in the San Francisco >Bay Area. Northern California. Thanks for the replies that have come >in so far. > >Keith >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From jrplosay at gci.net Tue Dec 18 17:59:45 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (James Plosay) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:59:45 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration In-Reply-To: <200712181101.lBIB1cTb001358@zxe.naks.com> References: <200712181101.lBIB1cTb001358@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the help and replies. To date, Thanks Henk -- I examined the left tape guide and pinch roller assy and it seems to move free and operate correctly. I don't have a Nak tape guide tool, but it seems to swing and rise freely. I may teflon lube it for good measure. Tom -- No, I never said EX or ZX calibrated fine. I've only tried SX-tapes as that's what I use the most of, and was starting off with that type. Should I try a EX too just for giggles? I did try to adjust the RH azimuth, and was able to get the 400Hz levels close. Trouble is that killed the 15kHz levels as follows: (now) 400Hz -- L: -3dB, R: -2db (best I could get them adjusted roughly equal using RH Az and then REC Level adjustment 15kHz -- L: -20dB, R: -25dB. at least they're close and ~equal, but not at all near the level they need to be using the BIAS adjustment. Jim From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 18:13:51 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:13:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: <28249.1197988451947.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28249.1197988451947.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110712180913g42e2d71s9f093ad574711469@mail.gmail.com> A lot of both. On Dec 18, 2007 8:34 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > I've got a big bid in. I don't need the set, but someone on NakTalk does. It will get passed on. Willy, do you have a complete set? Luis? Tim, are you interested for yourself or are you repairing for others? > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Tim Skorick > >Sent: Dec 18, 2007 1:32 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TEST GAUGES > > > >Okay I'm the high bidder at $75 - DON'T MESS THIS UP FOR ME GUYS:-) > > > >-Tim > > > >On Dec 18, 2007 1:14 AM, Tim Skorick wrote: > >> Um. Wow. I guess there's no point trying to get everyone else to not > >> bid so I can steal these huh :-) > >> > >> -Tim > >> > >> > >> On Dec 17, 2007 4:46 PM, wrote: > >> > > >> > The techies delight has now appeared on eBay > >> > check this listing out - > >> > 320197673728 > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Dec 18 19:03:14 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:03:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD - 4 Player Message-ID: <157876.26348.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone have experience with Naks CD - 4 player / changer? Good, Bad, Ugly? And what would it be worth in VG - E condition? Full Functioning....... Thanks in advance. Fred in CT --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 18 20:30:50 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:30:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration In-Reply-To: References: <200712181101.lBIB1cTb001358@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <47681FEA.4030408@peromarta.org> Jim, did you by any chance mark original positions of the gears? Do not move them more than 1/ or 3/4 of a turn without references. rgds, Lp. James Plosay escribió: > Thanks all for the help and replies. > > To date, Thanks Henk -- I examined the left tape guide and pinch roller assy and it seems to move free and operate correctly. I don't have a Nak tape guide tool, but it seems to swing and rise freely. I may teflon lube it for good measure. > > Tom -- No, I never said EX or ZX calibrated fine. I've only tried SX-tapes as that's what I use the most of, and was starting off with that type. Should I try a EX too just for giggles? > > I did try to adjust the RH azimuth, and was able to get the 400Hz levels close. Trouble is that killed the 15kHz levels as follows: (now) > 400Hz -- L: -3dB, R: -2db (best I could get them adjusted roughly equal using RH Az and then REC Level adjustment > 15kHz -- L: -20dB, R: -25dB. at least they're close and ~equal, but not at all near the level they need to be using the BIAS adjustment. > > Jim > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 18 15:14:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:14:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig Message-ID: <6056429.1197987245958.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Victor has machined a copy of the Wollensak guide height an head penetration gauge. It has to be tested and the 3 head markings need to be added. This gauge will function like the information terminal M-300 gauge. It can also mechanicall set tilt fairly closely! It has yet to be tested, so cross your fingers. BTW, the M-300 was the alignment gauge used in the 500-600 decks. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Gabrenas >Sent: Dec 17, 2007 9:03 PM >To: johngipps at aol.com, naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig > >I am not sure if Nakamichi's guide gauge is anything like this however I >have found a machinist that has created a very nice jig or gauge that >measures .095" thick and two tools at .150" for setting the tape path. I >need to take some photos and post it when I get a sec. > >Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics            Email:             >gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB >  >-----Original Message----- >From: johngipps at aol.com [mailto:johngipps at aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:51 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com; gabrenas at math.utah.edu >Subject: Nakamichi Alignment Jig > >Hi Victor > >I hope I've interpreted your email correctly. I'm assuming that you're >asking the thickness of the slides on a Nakamichi DA9051 gauge - these >slides are moved to contact the guide surface on which the tape runs in the >"classic transport", and facilitate guide alignment. > >The left hand (supply roller guide) slide is 3.81mm thick (0.150"), and >while the right hand (take-up roller guide) slide itself is also 3.81mm, it >is tipped and has a tip thickness of 4.39mm (0.173"). I hadn't noticed this >tip previously, but the take-up side guide does have a noticeably wider >channel than the supply side guide. > >Hope this was what you were after. > >Regards > >John Gipps > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:59:19 -0700 > >From: "Victor Gabrenas" > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment jig > >To: > >Message-ID: <001101c83b77$ecf58700$c6e09500$@utah.edu> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Long time no post. I do have a pressing issue. I need to find out the > >thickness of Nakamichi's tape guide jig. Wollensak made one about .098 thick > >however when used to check the naks, the guides are showing a slight > >variation. A local machine shop is going to build one at .095 thickness. > >Logically this makes sense. > > > >Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Vic > > > > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > > > > > >More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From N4229K at aol.com Tue Dec 18 22:20:35 2007 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:20:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak retainer washers (a new breed) Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I was talking to Tom Bruckner yesterday and told him that I have recently produced new retainer washers for Naks that are made out of a new plastic (which snap on and off easily) and very reusable. I will sell to naktalk guys for 10 pieces for $12 shipped anywhere on the planet. I also have a new idler tire for 480/680 etc that are much bigger than the big tire that goes on a 505. It also replaces that rounded tire used on some of the older decks by Nak. I could never figure out which decks had the 2 different tires. I know the 480 has had both tires installed in it by Nak. Any info on this by serial number and model would be appreciated. Happy Holidays to ALL, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793-4641 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Tue Dec 18 23:05:57 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (James Plosay) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:05:57 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration In-Reply-To: References: <200712181101.lBIB1cTb001358@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Just tried an EX-type tape on this deck. The weird gets weirder. The meters didn't move at all off rest during the 400Hz tone while trying to adjust tape rec level calibration, and also didn't move during the 15kHz bias calibration but I could get them to move by adjsutments, but not enough to properly set them. They were still -40dB although I could get some response out of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Plosay Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:59 am Subject: Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration To: naktalk at naks.com > Thanks all for the help and replies. > > To date, Thanks Henk -- I examined the left tape guide and pinch > roller assy and it seems to move free and operate correctly. I > don't have a Nak tape guide tool, but it seems to swing and rise > freely. I may teflon lube it for good measure. > > Tom -- No, I never said EX or ZX calibrated fine. I've only tried > SX-tapes as that's what I use the most of, and was starting off > with that type. Should I try a EX too just for giggles? > > I did try to adjust the RH azimuth, and was able to get the 400Hz > levels close. Trouble is that killed the 15kHz levels as follows: > (now)400Hz -- L: -3dB, R: -2db (best I could get them adjusted > roughly equal using RH Az and then REC Level adjustment > 15kHz -- L: -20dB, R: -25dB. at least they're close and ~equal, > but not at all near the level they need to be using the BIAS > adjustment. > > Jim > > > > From danbarham at aol.com Wed Dec 19 00:24:41 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:24:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: TEST GAUGES Message-ID: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Regarding the gauges up for bid, these are too valuable to just let anyone have them and?ask other people to refrain?from bidding. If I had any money right now I would be bidding several hundred dollars for these, I don't care who I'm bidding against. May I suggest if there is anyone to step aside for and let them win the bid, it be one of the people who are involved in the Nak Gauges project still ongoing. Tom, I know we have discussed loaner sets before, could this be one? The gauges project seems to be moving pretty slowly, no disrespect to the parties involved however, I know it is quite an undertaking. I suspect however that a sniper will swoop in at the last second and snag these up for an obscene amount. Like I said before, if I had money right now, I wouldn't think twice about spending an obscene amount on these. When was the last time you saw a large group of genuine Nak gauges come up for bid? Besides that one on Craigslist San Francico several months ago who never replied to my inquiries (bogus listing?), let me think...never? Hopefully, whoever wins this can bring some benefit to the Nak community. Dan Barham Chicago, IL ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Dec 19 09:43:57 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:43:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig In-Reply-To: <6056429.1197987245958.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6056429.1197987245958.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4768D9CD.20607@xs4all.nl> Simply GREAT news! Is it just for the 500 and 600 or will it also apply to decks like 250/350/550? Will it be easy to produce more of these? Wouter Tom Brucker wrote: > Victor has machined a copy of the Wollensak guide height an head penetration gauge. It has to be tested and the 3 head markings need to be added. This gauge will function like the information terminal M-300 gauge. It can also mechanicall set tilt fairly closely! It has yet to be tested, so cross your fingers. BTW, the M-300 was the alignment gauge used in the 500-600 decks. > > tom brucker > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Dec 19 09:51:48 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:51:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: TEST GAUGES In-Reply-To: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> The gauges project... well I know Bala now has a set of gauges (owned by Tom) for measure etc... the project is running for almost one year now... I never refrain from bidding when i want something, but I suppose this one will go skyhigh. Wouter danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Regarding the gauges up for bid, these are too valuable to just let > anyone have them and ask other people to refrain from bidding. If I > had any money right now I would be bidding several hundred dollars for > these, I don't care who I'm bidding against. May I suggest if there is > anyone to step aside for and let them win the bid, it be one of the > people who are involved in the Nak Gauges project still ongoing. Tom, > I know we have discussed loaner sets before, could this be one? The > gauges project seems to be moving pretty slowly, no disrespect to the > parties involved however, I know it is quite an undertaking. I suspect > however that a sniper will swoop in at the last second and snag these > up for an obscene amount. Like I said before, if I had money right > now, I wouldn't think twice about spending an obscene amount on these. > When was the last time you saw a large group of genuine Nak gauges > come up for bid? Besides that one on Craigslist San Francico several > month! s ago who never replied to my inquiries (bogus listing?), let > me think...never? Hopefully, whoever wins this can bring some benefit > to the Nak community. > > Dan Barham > Chicago, IL From roleo at telus.net Tue Dec 18 23:16:07 2007 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:16:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD - 4 Player References: <157876.26348.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c841c3$96c17c70$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> Hi Fred! I bought my CD-4 in the early 1990's and it has served me well. It is internally identical to the "CD Player 4" that Nakamichi also made when they lost temporarily lost their senses and changed their design in the mid 90's. Their remotes are also interchangeable. (See links below for picture comparison) The CD-4 is a wonderful single disc player which also has digital coaxial output -- a feature I use when copying discs on my TASCAM. Even my Nak OMS-7 player does not feature digital out, so I am not getting rid of this player until it dies. The ONLY problem I have had with my player is that if I jump tracks too fast with the 'forward track' button, it seems to lose it's place, and the only way to reset it is to turn off the power for a moment. However, in day to day playing this rarely causes any problems. Just forward tracks slowly. If you find a good specimen, I would recommend this player for sure. If I found a minty one, I would pay up to $200.00, though I have seen them go for more than that on E-bay. "CD Player 4" prices will be lower as their design was not as popular. -- Roland CD Player 4 http://i6.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/c7/8f/a6e0_3.JPG CD-4 http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/vdungyhct/nakamichicd42.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred S.C. Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD - 4 Player Anyone have experience with Naks CD - 4 player / changer? Good, Bad, Ugly? And what would it be worth in VG - E condition? Full Functioning....... Thanks in advance. Fred in CT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Dec 19 14:00:14 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:00:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <6163802.1198069214756.JavaMail.root@ps1> Jim, I do hope you can return to the original settings, cause the results so far do impress me that we're going nowhere. To sum up my thoughts: I still mistrust the left hand pinch assy strongly! Be sure the adjustment knob on top of the post does not move at all (not the tiniest movement!) when engaging the head block. Any tiny movement here will be a big problem. Can you push the pivot arm down it's post against the spring pressure? Compare with the right hand side. If this post is firmly fixed it still can be it's adjustment is out of wack. But this is not normal failure, this can only be done by someone tinkering with it AND not returning to it's original state afterwards. This might be the cause of course. Secondly, the record head height adjustment might be way off. Again not a normal failure, but done by someone tinkering with it. When switching over to EX tape, did you also switch the bias selector to EX?!?! Otherwise the symptom's are understandable. (I just have to ask, sorry). Electronics failure in the bias circuitry might be the issue here. Anyway, in almost every case, serious help may be in order. Alas, it's a three head deck without monitoring option, otherwise a final option is feasible; - Be sure a pre-recorded tape sounds fine on play back, - Start recording some popular music and systemetically adjust left pivot heigt, record head height, record head azymuth and listen for an improvement on headphones. - If one adjustement results in dramatic improvements, optimize this one and then keep reiterating until a reasonable sound is obtained. - From that point on start adjusting the normal way. It is doable, but requires tedious time and iteration, AND WILL ONLY WORK WHEN THE DECK IS ELECTRONICALLY SANE. Of which i cannot be sure at this time. Good luck, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ------------------------------------------ I did try to adjust the RH azimuth, and was able to get the 400Hz levels close. Trouble is that killed the 15kHz levels as follows: (now) 400Hz -- L: -3dB, R: -2db (best I could get them adjusted roughly equal using RH Az and then REC Level adjustment 15kHz -- L: -20dB, R: -25dB. at least they're close and ~equal, but not at all near the level they need to be using the BIAS adjustment. Jim From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Dec 19 16:27:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:27:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Holiday advice In-Reply-To: <4766FBC1.3010107@gmail.com> References: <4766FBC1.3010107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47693868.4040501@rcn.com> Just received this piece of wisdom from a friend and feel that, in the spirit of the coming holiday, I should share it with all... -- Ron ------------------------------- To my friends who enjoy a glass of wine... and those who don't: As Ben Franklin said: "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria." In a number of carefully controlled trials, scientists have demonstrated that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) - bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do NOT run that risk when drinking wine & beer (or tequila, rum, whiskey or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting. Remember: Water = Poop, Wine = Health. Therefore, it's better to drink wine and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of shit. There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I'm doing it as a public service. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 19 17:21:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: TEST GAUGES Message-ID: <8126871.1198081290158.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kiawjin at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 17:29:25 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: <744522.3593.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The CR-7A was released by Nakamichi after I had left the retail environment, so I am unfamiliar with this deck. Having one to play with, I wanted to share a few interesting notes. The first is that the auto calibrate did not like TDK-SA or Maxell UDXL-II, going to error mode, but was fine with Maxell UDXS-II, as it was with UDXL-I. Anyone else run into a fairly narrow window of acceptable recording tape? The second is the treble rolls off at 22-23kHz using Maxell MA. thought the CR-7A heads were the same as in the ZX-7, but this may not be so, since this is BX-300,MR-1 territory. The interesting observation is what appears to be a brick wall bass cutoff. Flat to 11 Hz., it is -5dB at 10Hz ! This is with the subsonic off. I wonder if Nakamichi had to design for the unlimited bass bandwidth in CDs? A neat mod would be to strip this brick wall filter out and let it bloom. I'd hate to guess what the bass phase shift looks like. This is by far the most service friendly Nakamichi. Wire bundles are actually not in the way, and the boards hinge and lock for access and adjustment. The idler is rubber tire (yay). The auto calibrate is very fast, and locks in within 1/2 dB, which is excellent. It has a manual play azimuth knob much like the Nak car stereos. Setting it is easy by ear if you have a mono mode on your preamp. I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? tom brucker TomPlease advice how to modify this brick wall filter out ?Thank youMikemaxcel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From kiawjin at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 17:29:25 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench Message-ID: <744522.3593.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The CR-7A was released by Nakamichi after I had left the retail environment, so I am unfamiliar with this deck. Having one to play with, I wanted to share a few interesting notes. The first is that the auto calibrate did not like TDK-SA or Maxell UDXL-II, going to error mode, but was fine with Maxell UDXS-II, as it was with UDXL-I. Anyone else run into a fairly narrow window of acceptable recording tape? The second is the treble rolls off at 22-23kHz using Maxell MA. thought the CR-7A heads were the same as in the ZX-7, but this may not be so, since this is BX-300,MR-1 territory. The interesting observation is what appears to be a brick wall bass cutoff. Flat to 11 Hz., it is -5dB at 10Hz ! This is with the subsonic off. I wonder if Nakamichi had to design for the unlimited bass bandwidth in CDs? A neat mod would be to strip this brick wall filter out and let it bloom. I'd hate to guess what the bass phase shift looks like. This is by far the most service friendly Nakamichi. Wire bundles are actually not in the way, and the boards hinge and lock for access and adjustment. The idler is rubber tire (yay). The auto calibrate is very fast, and locks in within 1/2 dB, which is excellent. It has a manual play azimuth knob much like the Nak car stereos. Setting it is easy by ear if you have a mono mode on your preamp. I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? tom brucker TomPlease advice how to modify this brick wall filter out ?Thank youMikemaxcel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Dec 19 17:55:35 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:55:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks serviced here... Message-ID: <002401c84260$034905b0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, www.ebay.com - item 270197707967 - another entry for the Nak service list? Wish you all a Happy Holiday Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Dec 19 20:39:06 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:39:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized user group / community - an international association of some kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 19 18:20:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:20:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Another classic belt for Europe, Canada, Asia, etc Message-ID: <33184058.1198084830284.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Manos called yesterday from Greece. NakTalk is truly worlwide. We were talking about classic capstan belts, and I related my discovery of an excellent belt made by Kenwood. I never posted to NakTalk because these belts quickly became NLA (no longer available) after I ordered 20. Manos remined me that there may be Kenwood parts suppliers in other continents that have some of these belts, so here is the part number to order: Kenwood brand D16-0092-08 flat belt this replaces 0C8096 capstan in 580-up with specs nearly identical to the Nak original. It is a bit narrower, and may not last as long, but sound wise it is the best I've found. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 19 17:05:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:05:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <3463874.1198080340316.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Replace the 2 orange caps (472) in the bias oscillator. You have a rare condition where the caps are leaking enough to change the bias level, but have not yet shorted. Do not run anymore recording tests until you change them. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: James Plosay >Sent: Dec 18, 2007 4:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration > >Just tried an EX-type tape on this deck. The weird gets weirder. The meters didn't move at all off rest during the 400Hz tone while trying to adjust tape rec level calibration, and also didn't move during the 15kHz bias calibration but I could get them to move by adjsutments, but not enough to properly set them. They were still -40dB although I could get some response out of them. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: James Plosay >Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:59 am >Subject: Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration >To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Thanks all for the help and replies. >> >> To date, Thanks Henk -- I examined the left tape guide and pinch >> roller assy and it seems to move free and operate correctly. I >> don't have a Nak tape guide tool, but it seems to swing and rise >> freely. I may teflon lube it for good measure. >> >> Tom -- No, I never said EX or ZX calibrated fine. I've only tried >> SX-tapes as that's what I use the most of, and was starting off >> with that type. Should I try a EX too just for giggles? >> >> I did try to adjust the RH azimuth, and was able to get the 400Hz >> levels close. Trouble is that killed the 15kHz levels as follows: >> (now)400Hz -- L: -3dB, R: -2db (best I could get them adjusted >> roughly equal using RH Az and then REC Level adjustment >> 15kHz -- L: -20dB, R: -25dB. at least they're close and ~equal, >> but not at all near the level they need to be using the BIAS >> adjustment. >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lenaw at flash.net Wed Dec 19 21:41:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:41:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <69847.28493.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like that idea. Thanks. Mike Per wrote: An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized user group / community - an international association of some kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... Best Regards Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Dec 19 22:25:38 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:25:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] another classic belt Message-ID: In a message dated 12/19/2007 12:29:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Manos called yesterday from Greece. NakTalk is truly worlwide. We were talking about classic capstan belts, and I related my discovery of an excellent belt made by Kenwood. I never posted to NakTalk because these belts quickly became NLA (no longer available) after I ordered 20. Manos remined me that there may be Kenwood parts suppliers in other continents that have some of these belts, so here is the part number to order: Kenwood brand D16-0092-08 flat belt this replaces 0C8096 capstan in 580-up with specs nearly identical to the Nak original. It is a bit narrower, and may not last as long, but sound wise it is the best I've found. One thing I would warn Naktalkers about is that when I ordered this belt from several suppliers, the order was filled with a different D16-0092 Kenwood belt. I guess I have ordered 15 of these belts from various suppliers, and only 4 were the belt Tom is talking about. Kenwood made another belt with the D16-0092 prefix which the suppliers don't distinguish between. I got the last 4 correct ones from Herman Electronics but I've heard from Kenwood itself they've got more in Japan. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Dec 19 22:26:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:26:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: CD-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 12/19/2007 1:13:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, roleo at telus.net writes: The ONLY problem I have had with my player is that if I jump tracks too fast with the 'forward track' button, it seems to lose it's place, and the only way to reset it is to turn off the power for a moment. However, in day to day playing this rarely causes any problems. Just forward tracks slowly. If you find a good specimen, I would recommend this player for sure. If I found a minty one, I would pay up to $200.00, though I have seen them go for more than that on E-bay. "CD Player 4" prices will be lower as their design was not as popular. I also own a CD-4, in fact we have 2 of them in the house as my son has one too. One of those also forward tracks unreliably. They do usually play CD-R's though, which earlier Naks don't. I would strongly disagree however that one is worth $200. I had Willy Herman repair one of them for me and lots of the parts no longer exist. It's really kind of a dinosaur. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Wed Dec 19 23:06:55 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:06:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <476995FF.2060700@otenet.gr> I strongly agree with Per, put me on the list too, we have to oil the machine to keep it going..... But i also believe that we should not leave out people who are just looking for a free forum to find remedies and get help for fixing their gear.. All the best Manos Athens - Greece O/H Per έγραψε: > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > user group / community - an international association of some > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Dec 20 01:13:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:13:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another classic belt for Europe, Canada, Asia, etc Message-ID: In a message dated 12/19/2007 3:55:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I'm sorry for the typos in my previous message. Jeff, I thought I could persuade Kenwood US to order from Japan, but I have failed. This is an excellent opportunity for someone in Japan to order these belts! What Jeff is saying is that the last 2 digits must be -08, otherwise the belt will be different. Hi Tom, I talked with Kenwood USA myself. They told me the belt is still in stock in Japan and the parts number is still valid. Actually, when I ordered the belt using the correct part number, it was "East Coast Transistor Parts," an authorized Kenwood dealer, who pulled a fast one on me and substituted a different 9.2 inch Kenwood belt. I had this happen with another place too. I was only able to get the right belt from Herman Electronics, and i got the last 4 of those. I would suggest to anyone ordering the belt to actually verify the correct width and thickness before committing any money, as I must have laid out nearly a hundred bucks on the wrong belts. The 9.2 belt I got works fine in the BX-300, MR-1 & CR-4-5-7 however, so it wasn't a total loss. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Thu Dec 20 05:09:46 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:09:46 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration References: <200712191101.lBJB1Mkt000899@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <008001c842be$283090b0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Luis -- No, I did not mark them, but I returned them to their original position quite carefully except when it appeared as if it was making an improvement. I got the SX-type 400Hz calibration close, but not dead on so there's still something funky going on. I still think a re-capping is in order, but am waiting for my SM to arrive. > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:30:50 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47681FEA.4030408 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Jim, did you by any chance mark original positions of the gears? > > Do not move them more than 1/ or 3/4 of a turn without references. > > rgds, Lp. > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Dec 20 13:28:07 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:28:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl><002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> <476995FF.2060700@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <000f01c84303$cadbbb60$b207010a@hurtignok> Mike and Manos, Thanks for the support. You are right, Manos, that NakTalk Forum should stay as it is - free and open to those that chose to subscribe. What I meant was that we should consider creating a parallel and formal organisation that has the ressources and power to speak and act on behalf of us Nak owners. I think it could create opportunities that we miss out on only having forums like NakTalk and NakChatt. Best Regards, Per From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Dec 20 13:50:47 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:50:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <476A6527.8080906@cox.net> I agree with Per. Although I seldom contribute to the discussions, I do follow many of the threads and benefit from the collective experience and wisdom of the active Naktalk group. Perhaps there are many others like me who do the same? This could be one small way for me to personally contribute to this cause. May I suggest that along with helping to fund the construction of alignment guages that some nominal amount of collected dues be given to Wouter to help defray the costs of running the Naktalk forums and website. He has done a fantastic job of maintaining order through the years. Tim Barrett Virginia, USA Per wrote: > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > user group / community - an international association of some > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wanted to post a guide to fix the cam and drive motor one day though, but my camera died since... > All the best > Manos > Athens - Greece > > O/H Per έγραψε: >> An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized >> user group / community - an international association of some >> kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be >> raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good >> and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would >> be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough >> money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like >> Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet >> and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other >> association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) >> a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get >> anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the >> legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... >> >> Best Regards >> >> Per Borgen >> Denmark From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 20 16:19:56 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:19:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit Application References: Message-ID: <058801c8431b$c874b990$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Take a look at Andy's photo documented fix for a Nak control motor at http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw and http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw One of these slides shows the slots on the rear of the control motor & the rear of the REEL motor is similar. The reel motor is the one that has the brass pulley that engages with the rubber wheeled idler . When administering the Deoxit this is best done with the machine facing down to allow an easy application & for the fluid to flow down through the motor. Quickly remove any excess Deoxit if this gets on to the capstan belt or remove/get this belt out of the way whilst doing this. Several repeat doses may be needed with 'drying' out [followed by running, loaded up or just fast fwd/reverse] in between, so the process may take several days. Additionally it may also need a slight adjust to the torque control [VR???] adjuster - your manual will identify which one this is Hope this helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit Application This is a tad long winded but This is my problem culled from the Naktalk forum... In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave Jay, I concur with Dave. Most like the reel motor is playing up cause it has not been used. Reviving this motor by cleaning the brushes is not likely to be possible. Cleaning with de-oxid as Dave describes is a possible alternative. Changing the motor (with reel assembly) is another option. A less sure, but easy, option is to leave the deck into FF action without cassette for at least an hour. Squirting deoxid will be a plus during this time. And then try again. It might work, but the problem can re-appear after prolonged period of non use. Keep the Naks alive, Henk Schenk, Netherlandshttp://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ I'm back up and running. I think it was leaving it on FF for an hour and a half about 3 or four times in 1 with a combo of deoxit and just rechecking to make sure the wheel was seated down in that groove. It's nice to be hearing things I didn't know were there again. I slapped in an XLII of a perfectly recorded Quadrophenia, off of brand new virgin vinyl circa 1989, recorded on a halfway decent TEAC deck, and man oh man. 3 dimensional doesn't begin to describe it. That particular tape always sounded good, I remember making it knowing it was going to sound good, but it's nice to be surprised by an 18 year old cassette. Jay So...here it is 2 months later, and the machine is back to not working again. I'm pretty sure that I'm NOT applying the DeOxit in the proper place, and I would love to give that another go round before I allow someone else the privilege of the oh-so-expensive sounding Shipping, replacement of the reel motor, and return shipping. If you all could try to give a VERY detailed description of EXACTLY where to squirt that De-Oxit. "You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor", is good and I totally appreciate it, but the way my mind works is I need a photo or really specific GPS coordinates. I would totally appreciate second opinions too, even if it's just restating the same thing a different way. Sometimes Nakamichi gets lost in translation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. 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URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Dec 20 16:49:45 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:49:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 581 - strange imbalance on calibration Message-ID: <8CA113714387065-B94-51B8@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jim, Henck, Tom Henck - I discounted the common problem of the rollers not swinging up into position properly because Jim said that playback performance was good. If Jim's machine had this problem, I would expect it to have poor play performance, not just poor record performance. Tom - I agree that it's always a good idea to replace the two 4.7nF caps in the bias oscillator - they are so likely to fail or already be defective, that I always replace them in every Nak I get my hands on (as long as the customer agrees). I can't say I've noticed them just a little defective and thus producing a smaller than expected bias oscillator output - if this was the case, then there'd be a common reporting of Nakamichi decks becoming under-biased over time, and producing a rising frequency response - I haven't found that. In my experience, the bias oscillator either works well or outputs either nothing or a small wretchedly distorted output. In any event, I certainly agree that Jim would be wise to replace these two caps. Jim - I still suspect the record head track alignment - I think that my opinion here is probably based on your initial description where one channel was up and one down - easy to achieve with incorrect track, whereas a bias oscillator problem would normally send both channels in the same direction. I have read in your emails that you've tried adjusting record head azimuth, but not record head track, and I do agree that it's a bit scary playing around with the track and azimuth adjusters if you haven't got all the right gear and experience - but as long as you leave the play head adjusters alone, I don't see you doing any harm. If the deck plays well, and you don't interfere with that, you can get pretty close to correct record track with the procedure I originally described. You can also make quite a good job of record azimuth by simply adjusting for best highs on record. It really is very hard trying to diagnose problems for people without the luxury of having the unit on the bench - we're all just throwing in ideas and hopefully, if you try them all, you might win. Once again, good luck with your deck Jim. Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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My email address is : mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thanks & kind regards Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Dec 20 16:57:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:57:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A observations on the bench In-Reply-To: <744522.3593.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <744522.3593.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476A90F7.1010708@rcn.com> KIAW JIN WONG wrote: > The CR-7A was released by Nakamichi after I had left the retail environment, > so I am unfamiliar with this deck. Having one to play with, I wanted to share a few interesting notes. > The first is that the auto calibrate did not like TDK-SA or Maxell UDXL-II, going to error mode, > but was fine with Maxell UDXS-II, as it was with UDXL-I. > Anyone else run into a fairly narrow window of acceptable recording tape? I have owned a CR-7 for many years now and never had a problem auto calibrating, including many TDK SA cassettes. I would suspect your CR-7 is in need of repair or adjustment. > The second is the treble rolls off at 22-23kHz using Maxell MA. I suspect your deck already has the EQ mod. Without it, HF roll off was said to start well under 20KHz. > thought the CR-7A heads were the same as in the ZX-7, but this may not be so, since this is BX-300,MR-1 territory. > The interesting observation is what appears to be a brick wall bass cutoff. Flat to 11 Hz., it is -5dB at 10Hz ! > This is with the subsonic off. I wonder if Nakamichi had to design for the unlimited bass bandwidth in CDs? Or for the 0.5 Hz component in turntable rumble? > A neat mod would be to strip this brick wall filter out and let it bloom. > I'd hate to guess what the bass phase shift looks like. > This is by far the most service friendly Nakamichi. Wire bundles are actually not in the way, > and the boards hinge and lock for access and adjustment. The idler is rubber tire (yay). > The auto calibrate is very fast, and locks in within 1/2 dB, which is excellent. > It has a manual play azimuth knob much like the Nak car stereos. > Setting it is easy by ear if you have a mono mode on your preamp. The azimuth control is digitally controlled. its resolution is (what Stephen Sank felt) too low. Stephen came up with a very simple mod that doubles this resolution, involving replacement of one resistor. -- Ron > I can understand why many prefer the CR-7A to older decks, > and I wonder if the source material used for recording is the chief reason? > > tom brucker > > TomPlease advice how to modify this brick wall filter out ?Thank youMikemaxcel > From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 17:31:39 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:31:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit Application In-Reply-To: <05ca01c8431c$6ff28850$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <05ca01c8431c$6ff28850$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: thanks man...now I feel like I'm cooking with gas merry effing christmas! From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.comTo: jaymalonson at hotmail.comSubject: Fw: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit ApplicationDate: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:24:37 +0000 Take a look at Andy's photo documented fix for a Nak control motor at http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw and http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw One of these slides shows the slots on the rear of the control motor & the rear of the REEL motor is similar. The reel motor is the one that has the brass pulley that engages with the rubber wheeled idler . When administering the Deoxit this is best done with the machine facing down to allow an easy application & for the fluid to flow down through the motor. Quickly remove any excess Deoxit if this gets on to the capstan belt or remove/get this belt out of the way whilst doing this. Several repeat doses may be needed with 'drying' out [followed by running, loaded up or just fast fwd/reverse] in between, so the process may take several days. Additionally it may also need a slight adjust to the torque control [VR???] adjuster - your manual will identify which one this is Hope this helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 De-Oxit Application This is a tad long winded butThis is my problem culled from the Naktalk forum...In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes:New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new.From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com You probably just need a new idler tire.Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" -http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PMSubject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorwhat is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luckdaveJay, I concur with Dave. Most like the reel motor is playing up cause it has not been used. Reviving this motor by cleaning the brushes is not likely to be possible. Cleaning with de-oxid as Dave describes is a possible alternative. Changing the motor (with reel assembly) is another option. A less sure, but easy, option is to leave the deck into FF action without cassette for at least an hour. Squirting deoxid will be a plus during this time. And then try again. It might work, but the problem can re-appear after prolonged period of non use. Keep the Naks alive, Henk Schenk, Netherlandshttp://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ I'm back up and running. I think it was leaving it on FF for an hour and a half about 3 or four times in 1 with a combo of deoxit and just rechecking to make sure the wheel was seated down in that groove. It's nice to be hearing things I didn't know were there again. I slapped in an XLII of a perfectly recorded Quadrophenia, off of brand new virgin vinyl circa 1989, recorded on a halfway decent TEAC deck, and man oh man. 3 dimensional doesn't begin to describe it. That particular tape always sounded good, I remember making it knowing it was going to sound good, but it's nice to be surprised by an 18 year old cassette. JaySo...here it is 2 months later, and the machine is back to not working again. I'm pretty sure that I'm NOT applying the DeOxit in the proper place, and I would love to give that another go round before I allow someone else the privilege of the oh-so-expensive sounding Shipping, replacement of the reel motor, and return shipping. Ifyou all could try to give a VERY detailed description of EXACTLY where to squirt that De-Oxit. "You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor", is good and I totally appreciate it, but the way my mind works is I need a photo or really specific GPS coordinates.I would totally appreciate second opinions too, even if it's just restating the same thing a different way.Sometimes Nakamichi gets lost in translation. The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. Get it now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: From britri at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 18:38:29 2007 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Matthew Stocker) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:38:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: My immediate gut reaction says this is a good idea. My finances and love for analog music tell my soul that this is something to which I would contribute a considerable sum of seed money: $300 — $500. The only potential downside I see is that the beauty of this group is in its simplicity -- acknowledging and always appreciative of Wouter's commitment, dedication and efforts to host this group. Merry Christmas all, Brian On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Per wrote: > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > user group / community - an international association of some > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure > the > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Dec 20 18:39:56 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:39:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl><002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> <476A6527.8080906@cox.net> Message-ID: <003301c8432f$5e2d2540$b207010a@hurtignok> Tim, I totally agree with you. Only an hour before I read your post I sent a PayPal contribution to Wouter via www.naks.com - something I should have done a long time ago as I - like you - have enjoyed to read the repair stories, etc. a lot and have picked up huge amounts of valuable info from forum members. (Thanks) Without being able to share anything of value yet (my Naks are still in storage due to space and health issues, sigh, sigh) a small contribution is what I can do for now. Best wishes, Per Borgen Tim Barrett wrote: "...May I suggest that along with helping to fund the construction of alignment guages that some nominal amount of collected dues be given to Wouter to help defray the costs of running the Naktalk forums and website. He has done a fantastic job of maintaining order through the years... From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 18:49:42 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:49:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... Message-ID: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... I bought a parts deck from someone in New York. I mailed a check to him on Nov. 25. As of today (December 20), my check has yet to arrive. It is nowhere to be found. I won't stop payment on the check, because my stupid bank charges me more to stop payment on the check than this check is worth!! I bought another deck from a seller on eBay with PERFECT feedback. The seller lives in the very next state. The deck was mailed at the beginning of December by one of the seller's idiot employees, who did not purchase tracking, delivery confirmation, or insurance of any kind. Needless to say, the deck has yet to arrive, and has been so long in coming that the seller has decided to issue a refund. In a possible third scenario, someone has sent me a deck for repair from Washington state. They used UPS, but have yet to get any tracking number from them, and, you guessed it, the deck has yet to arrive. WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!? *andy* From WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com Thu Dec 20 21:39:49 2007 From: WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com (TSL) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:39:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX303 lamp Message-ID: Tape well lamp inside one of my 303s has expired. Before I disassemble merely for its replacement, I thought it wisest to ask if some form of replacement can in fact be had. No luck from three diff search engines thus far. But as I haven't seen it yet or measured voltage to it, an alternative to oem may well exist. All thoughts welcome. Thanx. Cheers. TSL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can view the reason provided for the cancellation by selecting the (bid history) link from the individual item page. Please be cautious if you are contacted about purchasing this item after the bid has been cancelled and as always avoid paying for your eBay item using instant wire transfer services through Western Union or MoneyGram as these payment methods are unsafe when paying someone you do not know. Regards, eBay From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Dec 20 23:26:07 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:26:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What happened to the gauges auction? Message-ID: <20071220222608.YRN3253.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I'm checking my eBay watch list and the auction for those 680 Manual and gauges was killed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320197673728 From lenaw at flash.net Fri Dec 21 00:12:01 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:12:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item 320197673728 : Nakamichi 680 Cassette Deck Service Manual & 11 Gauge s In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110712201334j77df65cek278f1c007e4543b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <334314.27182.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Definitely the seller was provided with another offer that he/she cannot refuse !!! Amen. Mike Tim Skorick wrote: All bids for this item were canceled, the item is still listed but with the admonition that bidding has ended. -Tim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Dec 20, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item 320197673728 : Nakamichi 680 Cassette Deck Service Manual & 11 Gauge s eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item Dear eBay Community Member, The bid that you entered for the item (320197673728) has been cancelled. You can view the reason provided for the cancellation by selecting the (bid history) link from the individual item page. Please be cautious if you are contacted about purchasing this item after the bid has been cancelled and as always avoid paying for your eBay item using instant wire transfer services through Western Union or MoneyGram as these payment methods are unsafe when paying someone you do not know. Regards, eBay ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 01:07:37 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] What happened to the gauges auction? In-Reply-To: <20071220222608.YRN3253.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <78225.1829.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wonder if someone offered the guy big bucks to stop the auction? Roland wrote: I'm checking my eBay watch list and the auction for those 680 Manual and gauges was killed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320197673728 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 02:31:59 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:31:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <951246.93684.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw a story on the news earlier this week about a post card that finally arrived after something like 60 years. Post at the time it was sent was only one cent. The post office has\d no explaination as to where the post card had been all this time. 1 month doesn't seem like that long anymore. Be patient, give it another couple months. SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... I bought a parts deck from someone in New York. I mailed a check to him on Nov. 25. As of today (December 20), my check has yet to arrive. It is nowhere to be found. I won't stop payment on the check, because my stupid bank charges me more to stop payment on the check than this check is worth!! I bought another deck from a seller on eBay with PERFECT feedback. The seller lives in the very next state. The deck was mailed at the beginning of December by one of the seller's idiot employees, who did not purchase tracking, delivery confirmation, or insurance of any kind. Needless to say, the deck has yet to arrive, and has been so long in coming that the seller has decided to issue a refund. In a possible third scenario, someone has sent me a deck for repair from Washington state. They used UPS, but have yet to get any tracking number from them, and, you guessed it, the deck has yet to arrive. WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Fri Dec 21 03:07:53 2007 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:07:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... References: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <016001c84376$4c138a10$6801a8c0@number2> Andy I have been selling a lot of stuff on ebay, and shipping a lot also. IMO the US Post Office is slower right now, but not to that degree. They also lost some packages recently too. Also I might sugest you put a stop payment on the check anyway. It will cost you less than if someone else gets the check. Who eve rgats the check can cash it, for more than it was written for, yes I have experiance with this too. Even IF your bank reimbersis you the full amount of the check, you will get nothing for you time. You will have to chase the bank around town to get it straightened out too. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... > > Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? > > I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... > > > I bought a parts deck from someone in New York. I mailed a check to him on Nov. 25. > > As of today (December 20), my check has yet to arrive. It is nowhere to be found. I won't stop payment on the check, because my stupid bank charges me more to stop payment on the check than this check is worth!! > > > I bought another deck from a seller on eBay with PERFECT feedback. The seller lives in the very next state. > > The deck was mailed at the beginning of December by one of the seller's idiot employees, who did not purchase tracking, delivery confirmation, or insurance of any kind. > > Needless to say, the deck has yet to arrive, and has been so long in coming that the seller has decided to issue a refund. > > > In a possible third scenario, someone has sent me a deck for repair from Washington state. They used UPS, but have yet to get any tracking number from them, and, you guessed it, the deck has yet to arrive. > > > WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hrameshrao at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 05:04:08 2007 From: hrameshrao at gmail.com (Ramesh Rao) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:34:08 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <476995FF.2060700@otenet.gr> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl> <002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> <476995FF.2060700@otenet.gr> Message-ID: Hi all Pl include me on the list. It is a very good idea to promote and sustain the same. I bought 670ZX a year ago and am very happy with the performance. I want to buy another good Nak and would like to invest to the tune of $ 700-1000. Can any one suggest me a good Nak preferable working at 220 Volts? Best regards H Ramesh Rao Bangalore, INDIA On 20/12/2007, Emmanuel T. Komninos wrote: > > I strongly agree with Per, put me on the list too, we have to oil the > machine to keep it going..... > But i also believe that we should not leave out people who are just > looking for a free forum to find remedies and get help for fixing their > gear.. > All the best > Manos > Athens - Greece > > O/H Per έγραψε: > > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > > user group / community - an international association of some > > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the > > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > > > Best Regards > > > > Per Borgen > > Denmark > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Regards H Ramesh Rao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 20 16:59:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:59:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners Message-ID: <14811209.1198166370249.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The Nak gauges is a good test case of informal cooperation on a higher, altruistic level. If it falters, THEN a formal Association would be beneficial. I have, in the past, suggested that we support Wouter, our NakTalk host, with money, but he continues to be altruistic himself. He sets the standard for the Talkers. If money was the center of his effort, we would no doubt, be a selfish group. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Per >Sent: Dec 20, 2007 6:28 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners > >Mike and Manos, Thanks for the support. You are right, Manos, >that NakTalk Forum should stay as it is - free and open to those >that chose to subscribe. What I meant was that we should consider >creating a parallel and formal organisation that has the ressources >and power to speak and act on behalf of us Nak owners. I think it >could create opportunities that we miss out on only having forums >like NakTalk and NakChatt. Best Regards, Per >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 06:02:24 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:02:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Holiday Advice In-Reply-To: <8CA1140C5A31144-89C-5ACD@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA1140C5A31144-89C-5ACD@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Same from me all the "Naktalkers! Happy & prosperous New 2008 year...continuing our Joy listening cassettes trough all such Nak decks...whatever their models! Peace, ALEX! To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:59:09 -0500From: johngipps at aol.comSubject: [naktalk] OT: Holiday AdviceHi RonI always enjoy reading your stuff - and your holiday advice was no exception. Happy Xmas Ron, and to all Naktalkers.RegardsJohn Gipps More new features than ever. 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URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 21 06:09:00 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:09:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... Message-ID: I AGREE WITH YOU THE MAIL IS VERY SLOW HERE IN USA I ALSO EXPERIENCED LONG DELAYS IN DELIVERY OF MAIL. IT MAYBE DUE TO HOLIDAY SEASON. ALI **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Fri Dec 21 06:48:18 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:48:18 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 581 - strange imbalance on calibration References: <200712201100.lBKB0bu0026316@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00a301c84395$16675d00$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Henk -- I will triple check the left capstan/pinch roller assy again. And "yes", I did switch the tape type to EX when I tried to calibrate an EX-type tape. I was so confounded that I triple checked everything, as it seemed like the test tones had just died. But I also put back in an SX-type tape and it was funky-part II as reported. > > When switching over to EX tape, did you also switch the bias selector > to EX?!?! Otherwise the symptom's are understandable. (I just have to > ask, sorry). Tom -- I will bring the deck home and replace those caps as specified. Probably this weekend. Christmas stuff is coming and getting in the way of fun ....er, hobby stuff. > > Replace the 2 orange caps (472) in the bias oscillator. You have a rare > condition where the caps are leaking enough to change the bias level, but > have not yet shorted. Do not run anymore recording tests until you change > them. > > tom brucker > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 19 17:24:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:24:14 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig Message-ID: <9298458.1198081454641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is universal and can be used with every deck made. Wouter, would you please repost the Nakgauges invitation post so others might join with a "click"? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Wouter Heijke >Sent: Dec 19, 2007 2:43 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Alignment Jig > >Simply GREAT news! >Is it just for the 500 and 600 or will it also apply to decks like >250/350/550? >Will it be easy to produce more of these? > >Wouter > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> Victor has machined a copy of the Wollensak guide height an head penetration gauge. It has to be tested and the 3 head markings need to be added. This gauge will function like the information terminal M-300 gauge. It can also mechanically set tilt fairly closely! It has yet to be tested, so cross your fingers. BTW, the M-300 was the alignment gauge used in the 500-600 decks. >> >> tom brucker >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 21 00:06:06 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:06:06 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Gauge auction cancelled by seller Message-ID: <25700283.1198191966379.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Oh well. Someone offered big bucks no doubt to have the auction cancelled. What we learn from this is to work together to raise bids high enough to keep the seller from going private. The auction was cancelled at $80. I had a bid for $370 that I'm assuming the seller couldn't see because I was the high bidder. What this does mean is that there is heavy interest in gauges. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 21 09:54:50 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:54:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: <003301c8432f$5e2d2540$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <8CA0FE44CE53AD3-CC0-4E6F@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> <4768DBA4.7000708@xs4all.nl><002501c84276$d9fc8bc0$b207010a@hurtignok> <476A6527.8080906@cox.net> <003301c8432f$5e2d2540$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <476B7F5A.4020302@xs4all.nl> Per / Tim / Others, Greatly appreciate your donation Per! And Tim, thanks for mentioning this, nice to hear from you! I think this Association can be a good thing, just like the whole gauges initiative, the belts, idlers and remote that came out of Naktalk. What I do think is that the idea should be worked out well to work without problems.. But for the gauges duplication project project, If that goes into a more 'clear' state and we get presented with a conclusion of the measuring and a list of steps to take and a cost calculation me and you and others can start contributing. Buying a set, if we/someone can fund it we may make it work to lend the set to members for a (small) fee so the investors get their money back and in the end we have money to buy/fabricate additional stuff. Asking a fee is always cheaper then buying a set that you only need now and then. Just my 2cts. Wouter Per wrote: > Tim, I totally agree with you. Only an hour before I read your post I > sent a PayPal contribution to Wouter via www.naks.com > - something I should have done a long time ago as I - like you - have > enjoyed to read the repair stories, etc. a lot and have picked up huge > amounts of valuable info from forum members. (Thanks) Without being > able to share anything of value yet (my Naks are still in storage due > to space and health issues, sigh, sigh) a small contribution is what I > can do for now. Best wishes, Per Borgen > > Tim Barrett wrote: > > "...May I suggest that along with helping to fund the construction > of alignment guages that some nominal amount of collected dues > be given to Wouter to help defray the costs of running the Naktalk > forums and website. He has done a fantastic job of maintaining order > through the years... From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 21 09:38:12 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:38:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakgauges mailinglist In-Reply-To: <9298458.1198081454641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9298458.1198081454641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <476B7B74.6060909@xs4all.nl> Ok Tom, This basically was the initial invitation post to naktalk on Feb/12/2007. Subscribe to nakgauges list: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakgauges It's not advertised on the website since the group will be limited to those interested from Naktalk and those directly involved. Wouter Tom Brucker wrote: > It is universal and can be used with every deck made. > Wouter, would you please repost the Nakgauges invitation post so others might join with a "click"? > > tom brucker > From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 09:40:34 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:40:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <951246.93684.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444761.22612.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found a link to the story. The postcard was sent in 1914 and arrived 93 years later. Remarkable it was in excellent condition. (If it was UPS, it would have been mangled beyond recognition.) http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071214/koddities/oddity_long_lost_card SJ Scott Johnson wrote: I saw a story on the news earlier this week about a post card that finally arrived after something like 60 years. Post at the time it was sent was only one cent. The post office has\d no explaination as to where the post card had been all this time. 1 month doesn't seem like that long anymore. Be patient, give it another couple months. SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... I bought a parts deck from someone in New York. I mailed a check to him on Nov. 25. As of today (December 20), my check has yet to arrive. It is nowhere to be found. I won't stop payment on the check, because my stupid bank charges me more to stop payment on the check than this check is worth!! I bought another deck from a seller on eBay with PERFECT feedback. The seller lives in the very next state. The deck was mailed at the beginning of December by one of the seller's idiot employees, who did not purchase tracking, delivery confirmation, or insurance of any kind. Needless to say, the deck has yet to arrive, and has been so long in coming that the seller has decided to issue a refund. In a possible third scenario, someone has sent me a deck for repair from Washington state. They used UPS, but have yet to get any tracking number from them, and, you guessed it, the deck has yet to arrive. WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 21 12:19:45 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:19:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners Message-ID: Hi Ramesh, Go for the CR 7A in excellent condition you wont be sorry. An excellent condition 700ZXL , 700ZXE( which is the export model with 220V of 700ZXL) or maybe you could get lucky and get a 1000ZXL Bala :) assuming he has one for sale, I bet it wont expensive but worth it condisering he is the authority on the 1000ZXL.and even have one for sale, that you would be dream come true! I have a 1000ZXL myself but it still sitting idle , one of these days I will get time and fix it. Bala is in India so I guess that might be best for you since your country voltage requirement has 220V. Hope this helps you! Best Regards! Ali **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 12:41:56 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:41:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10712210341jc2aa9efgc5e29afda6a77394@mail.gmail.com> The 700ZXE is not the export model of the 700ZXL, it is a 700 deck with different electronics, 220V or 110V has nothing to do with it. On 12/21/07, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Ramesh, Go for the CR 7A in excellent condition you wont be sorry. An > excellent condition 700ZXL , 700ZXE( which is the export model with 220V of > 700ZXL) or maybe you could get lucky and get a 1000ZXL Bala :) assuming he > has one for sale, I bet it wont expensive but worth it condisering he is the > authority on the 1000ZXL.and even have one for sale, that you would be > dream come true! I have a 1000ZXL myself but it still sitting idle , one of > these days I will get time and fix it. Bala is in India so I guess that > might be best for you since your country voltage requirement has 220V. Hope > this helps you! > > Best Regards! > Ali > > > ________________________________ > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Dec 21 12:42:19 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:42:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ali! WRONG...Bala lives in Singapore!!! Have a nice & prosperous new 2008 year! Cheers,ALEX! From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:19:45 -0500Subject: Re: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck OwnersTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Ramesh, Go for the CR 7A in excellent condition you wont be sorry. An excellent condition 700ZXL , 700ZXE( which is the export model with 220V of 700ZXL) or maybe you could get lucky and get a 1000ZXL Bala :) assuming he has one for sale, I bet it wont expensive but worth it condisering he is the authority on the 1000ZXL.and even have one for sale, that you would be dream come true! I have a 1000ZXL myself but it still sitting idle , one of these days I will get time and fix it. Bala is in India so I guess that might be best for you since your country voltage requirement has 220V. Hope this helps you! Best Regards! Ali See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. _________________________________________________________________ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Dec 21 12:57:44 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:57:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <476BAA38.9080300@marrscommunications.com> Hello Andy and the Group. The U.S. Postal Service is extremely slow right now, both in the U.S. and International. I started receiving complaints from customers about not receiving there package, about the 3rd week in November. Since then, it has only gotten worse. Fred M. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? > >I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... > > >I bought a parts deck from someone in New York. I mailed a check to him on Nov. 25. > >As of today (December 20), my check has yet to arrive. It is nowhere to be found. I won't stop payment on the check, because my stupid bank charges me more to stop payment on the check than this check is worth!! > > >I bought another deck from a seller on eBay with PERFECT feedback. The seller lives in the very next state. > >The deck was mailed at the beginning of December by one of the seller's idiot employees, who did not purchase tracking, delivery confirmation, or insurance of any kind. > >Needless to say, the deck has yet to arrive, and has been so long in coming that the seller has decided to issue a refund. > > >In a possible third scenario, someone has sent me a deck for repair from Washington state. They used UPS, but have yet to get any tracking number from them, and, you guessed it, the deck has yet to arrive. > > >WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!? > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 15:06:31 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:06:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item Message-ID: <122120071406.20302.476BC867000C674000004F4E22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> That's really too bad, Tim. For the record, I had a *huge* bid ready for that item. I hate unscrupulous sellers who make "back door deals" and end their auctions early, which I'm sure has happened in this case. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 21 15:35:39 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:35:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Holiday Advice In-Reply-To: <8CA1140C5A31144-89C-5ACD@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA1140C5A31144-89C-5ACD@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <476BCF3B.2000603@rcn.com> johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron > > I always enjoy reading your stuff - and your holiday advice was no > exception. Happy Xmas Ron, and to all Naktalkers. > > Regards > > John Gipps You, too, John. And everyone else, as well. May the coming year be enjoyable and prosperous to all. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 21 15:48:30 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX303 lamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476BD23E.3010204@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Tsl, I think a miniature lamp of 6volts available from Radio Shack > should work well as a tape well lamp in your BX 300 . Hope this helps! > > Ali > I am not sure about the RX303 (the subject deck) without looking it up, but the BX300 requires a 12V lamp. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 21 15:52:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:52:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476BD33D.80305@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > I AGREE WITH YOU THE MAIL IS VERY SLOW HERE IN USA I ALSO EXPERIENCED > LONG DELAYS IN DELIVERY OF MAIL. IT MAYBE DUE TO HOLIDAY SEASON. > > > ALI > Agreed. I wonder if it's another aspect of the 'dumbing down' of America. Another thought: it's to be expected of any monopolistic business in a capitalistic environment. How to deal with it? Calmly. Grin and bear it. -- Ron From lenaw at flash.net Fri Dec 21 15:49:18 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:49:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item In-Reply-To: <122120071406.20302.476BC867000C674000004F4E22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <322869.49947.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy: Unfortunately this happens a lot in ebay. This is just another disappointing outcome. However, "naac_tr" from Turkey might still have some of these gauges available for a price. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: That's really too bad, Tim. For the record, I had a *huge* bid ready for that item. I hate unscrupulous sellers who make "back door deals" and end their auctions early, which I'm sure has happened in this case. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 21 15:58:02 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:58:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <476BAA38.9080300@marrscommunications.com> References: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476BAA38.9080300@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <476BD47A.6000308@xs4all.nl> I've also noticed it, but did got your package Fred! The sad thing is that they also increased shipping costs for international mail/packages dramatically, this makes it even less interesting to buy off-ebay in the US. Wouter Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello Andy and the Group. The U.S. Postal Service is extremely slow > right now, both in the U.S. and International. I started receiving > complaints from customers about not receiving there package, about the > 3rd week in November. Since then, it has only gotten worse. Fred M. > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in >> the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? >> >> I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Dec 21 16:03:20 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:03:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <48108.91947.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ramesh I am currently in Bangalore and have a CR7 for Sale - you can contact me on my mobile 9964646057 anytime on Saturday and Sunday more information Kannan Ramesh Rao wrote: Hi all Pl include me on the list. It is a very good idea to promote and sustain the same. I bought 670ZX a year ago and am very happy with the performance. I want to buy another good Nak and would like to invest to the tune of $ 700-1000. Can any one suggest me a good Nak preferable working at 220 Volts? Best regards H Ramesh Rao Bangalore, INDIA On 20/12/2007, Emmanuel T. Komninos wrote: I strongly agree with Per, put me on the list too, we have to oil the machine to keep it going..... But i also believe that we should not leave out people who are just looking for a free forum to find remedies and get help for fixing their gear.. All the best Manos Athens - Greece O/H Per έγραψε: > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > user group / community - an international association of some > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Regards H Ramesh Rao ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Dec 21 16:49:05 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:49:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Weird holiday cheer Message-ID: <20071221154905.MEPK15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I also would like extend peace and cheer to all on this Naktalk board. The weird part is that I think I recognize more names on this board than I do with people I interact in real life!!! Okay, this is stretching it a bit. Peace From WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com Fri Dec 21 17:54:00 2007 From: WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com (TSL) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:54:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners References: <48108.91947.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If I may be so bold as a newest of new posters (indeed less than 24hrs), I am a member of Jag-Lovers forum. Interestingly enough also hosted by our Scandinavian friends (please correct if I've misplaced my geography Mr Heijke). Though the site http://www.jag-lovers.org/ may well surpass the features this group here would require just at the moment, I offer it up as a possible template of the possibilities when a group of international, diverse persons, with a bent towards a particular subject matter, combine their respective talents for the better of all. Indeed the internet has helped redefine the term "community" and I for one find it extremely refreshing and delivering of hope for our future. Though it may be of no real import, note that they went with the .org option. Cheers TSL, WA state, USA 3 303s 4 202s 2 CR-1As 1 VDP 1 wife 1 son 2 dogs 1 mortgage No partridge, treed or otherwise. ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 07:03 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners Hi Ramesh I am currently in Bangalore and have a CR7 for Sale - you can contact me on my mobile 9964646057 anytime on Saturday and Sunday more information Kannan Ramesh Rao > wrote: Hi all Pl include me on the list. It is a very good idea to promote and sustain the same. I bought 670ZX a year ago and am very happy with the performance. I want to buy another good Nak and would like to invest to the tune of $ 700-1000. Can any one suggest me a good Nak preferable working at 220 Volts? Best regards H Ramesh Rao Bangalore, INDIA On 20/12/2007, Emmanuel T. Komninos > wrote: I strongly agree with Per, put me on the list too, we have to oil the machine to keep it going..... But i also believe that we should not leave out people who are just looking for a free forum to find remedies and get help for fixing their gear.. All the best Manos Athens - Greece O/H Per έγραÏ^ε: > An International Association of Nakamichi Tape Deck Owners? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe we should cónsider turning NakTalk into a formalized > user group / community - an international association of some > kind? With a reasonable member fee, money could easily be > raised to buy important tools, gauges, etc. for the common good > and for future projects. If just 200 nak owners worldwide would > be willing to pay 10 dollars a year, it would soon amount to enough > money to buy / develop gauges like these. And with software like > Skype it would not be a problem for members (of the board) to meet > and decide on projects, etc - face to face - just like in any other > association. I would be the first in line to pay 10 dollars (or more) > a year to an organisation like this - even if I did not personally get > anything else out of my contribution - other than helping to secure the > legacy of Nakamichi Tape Decks. Just a New Years wish... > > Best Regards > > Per Borgen > Denmark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Regards H Ramesh Rao ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:54:08 2007 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Matthew Stocker) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:54:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <444761.22612.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444761.22612.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have been shipping a substantial # of packages lately. I have found fedex ground/home delivery to be an excellent carrier and MUCH less expensive than UPS (in a way that Bose has become the McDonalds of home audio, UPS has become the McDonalds of carriers: mediocre, expensive, regarded to be good but isn't, etcetera) I get the impression UPS is the rate by which ebay's freight calculator gives the freight cost and attempts to be the default shipper for paypal. When selling heavy and high dimensional weight audio gear, due to double boxing (essential), the sticker shock turns many would be buyers away. Best, Brian From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 23:00:28 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:00:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Darn Those Guys!!! Message-ID: <122120072200.18347.476C377C0009B605000047AB22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have e-mailed the "seller" of the Nakamichi gauges on eBay...you know, the one who pulled the plug on the auction because they most probably received a "back door deal" offer that they couldn't refuse. I told them that I belong to a Nakamichi owner's group and that there had been a lot of discussion about those gauges in the past few days. I also told them that several people were waiting until the final day to battle it out over those gauges. Lastly, I told them in no uncertain terms that they lost a lot of money by ending the auction early and giving in to a "back door deal" offer, because no matter what kind of offer they might have received, I (and several others) were prepared to bid BIG for those gauges. I'm not kidding, the snipe bid I had prepared was four figures. I WANTED THOSE GAUGES AND WAS PREPARED TO PAY *BIG* FOR THEM. Then I put my money where my mouth is, and told the seller that I would DOUBLE any offer they may have gotten. I realize that this is indeed eBay, and that if you miss a "rarity" auction you shouldn't worry because eventually another one pops up, but this really pissed me off. Of course, no reply yet..... I am an eBay seller myself, and I have received "back door deal" offers to end my auctions early. In EVERY case, I knew darn well that the "back door deal" offer was being made because the buyer wanted the item but did NOT want it badly enough to bid hard for it. Cheapskate buyers like this don't like competition, because they don't want to pay a lot and they know they would have to bid hard if they want a chance to win an auction like this one. Furthermore, they like to strike early on in an auction because they hope that sellers are dazzled if their offer is a lot more than the current bid, but I am not fooled that easily. In EVERY case, I have chosen to let the auction run its course, and I ALWAYS wound up selling the item for a LOT more than what the "back door" buyer was offering to pay. Unfortunately, with the Nakamichi gauge auction, there was a "perfect storm" situation. There was not enough bid activity on the item, and this seller was gullible enough to snap at a "back door deal" offer. I'll bet the buyer got those damn gauges for a couple hundred bucks, tops.... *andy* From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 21 23:44:23 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:44:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners Message-ID: Hi Alex! Nice to hear from you! thanks for correcting me! I didn't knew Bala was in singapore! I thought he was in India! :) lol. Regarding my post about the 700 ZXE can some please inform me what what the difference between the 700ZXL and the 700ZXE apart from the line voltage variation?! My understanding was that it was the same machine with differen voltages. Wishing you Alex and everyone here! a great new year and happy holidays! With Best Regards! Ali **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Dec 22 00:03:13 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:03:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX303 lamp Message-ID: Hi Ron, both 6 v and 12 miniature lamps are available at local Radio Shack, I replaced the burnt bulb in one of my Nak's tape well with one from Radio Shack and it works like new! Hope this helps! Thanks! Ali **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 00:25:16 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:25:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10712211525p12ce6464oda745b4af7482b33@mail.gmail.com> Ali, Both the 700ZXE and the 700ZXL were produced with power supplies depending on the markets they were made for - they are different decks not because of different voltages. Have a look on Wouter's other site - http://www.vintagecassette.com/Nakamichi/700ZXE. In short, the ZXE is a "dumbed down" ZXL, without the full ABLE calibration, without tape marking for the RAMM, etc. It's been a long time since I had one of these, I'm sure a current owner will jump in with more details. George On Dec 21, 2007 10:44 PM, wrote: > > Hi Alex! Nice to hear from you! thanks for correcting me! I didn't knew > Bala was in singapore! I thought he was in India! :) lol. > > Regarding my post about the 700 ZXE can some please inform me what what > the difference between the 700ZXL and the 700ZXE apart from the line voltage > variation?! My understanding was that it was the same machine with differen > voltages. > > Wishing you Alex and everyone here! a great new year and happy holidays! > > With Best Regards! > Ali > > > ________________________________ > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 22 00:55:36 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:55:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476C5278.3070604@xs4all.nl> The ZXE doesn't have the E in ABLE, it only has ABL, you'll have a tape selector unlike the ZXL decks. It's RAMM doesn't store anything on tape, but works like the 680ZX RAMM. I always see my 700ZXE as the step up from the 680ZX and a step down from the 700ZXL. Simply a great deck. Wouter BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Regarding my post about the 700 ZXE can some please inform me what > what the difference between the 700ZXL and the 700ZXE apart from the > line voltage variation?! My understanding was that it was the same > machine with differen voltages. > From lenaw at flash.net Sat Dec 22 01:03:58 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:03:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Darn Those Guys!!! In-Reply-To: <122120072200.18347.476C377C0009B605000047AB22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <385090.32728.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy: Unfortunately that is part of the real life. You just have to live on that. Let's wait for next opportunity. Cheers. Best Regards, Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have e-mailed the "seller" of the Nakamichi gauges on eBay...you know, the one who pulled the plug on the auction because they most probably received a "back door deal" offer that they couldn't refuse. I told them that I belong to a Nakamichi owner's group and that there had been a lot of discussion about those gauges in the past few days. I also told them that several people were waiting until the final day to battle it out over those gauges. Lastly, I told them in no uncertain terms that they lost a lot of money by ending the auction early and giving in to a "back door deal" offer, because no matter what kind of offer they might have received, I (and several others) were prepared to bid BIG for those gauges. I'm not kidding, the snipe bid I had prepared was four figures. I WANTED THOSE GAUGES AND WAS PREPARED TO PAY *BIG* FOR THEM. Then I put my money where my mouth is, and told the seller that I would DOUBLE any offer they may have gotten. I realize that this is indeed eBay, and that if you miss a "rarity" auction you shouldn't worry because eventually another one pops up, but this really pissed me off. Of course, no reply yet..... I am an eBay seller myself, and I have received "back door deal" offers to end my auctions early. In EVERY case, I knew darn well that the "back door deal" offer was being made because the buyer wanted the item but did NOT want it badly enough to bid hard for it. Cheapskate buyers like this don't like competition, because they don't want to pay a lot and they know they would have to bid hard if they want a chance to win an auction like this one. Furthermore, they like to strike early on in an auction because they hope that sellers are dazzled if their offer is a lot more than the current bid, but I am not fooled that easily. In EVERY case, I have chosen to let the auction run its course, and I ALWAYS wound up selling the item for a LOT more than what the "back door" buyer was offering to pay. Unfortunately, with the Nakamichi gauge auction, there was a "perfect storm" situation. There was not enough bid activity on the item, and this seller was gullible enough to snap at a "back door deal" offer. I'll bet the buyer got those damn gauges for a couple hundred bucks, tops.... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Dec 22 01:13:02 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:13:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Unprecedented Problems.... In-Reply-To: <476BD47A.6000308@xs4all.nl> References: <122020071749.9262.476AAB36000187EA0000242E22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476BAA38.9080300@marrscommunications.com> <476BD47A.6000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <476C568E.3070100@marrscommunications.com> Hi Wouter, Was there postage due on your package?? F. Marrs Wouter Heijke wrote: > I've also noticed it, but did got your package Fred! > The sad thing is that they also increased shipping costs for > international mail/packages dramatically, this makes it even less > interesting to buy off-ebay in the US. > > Wouter > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hello Andy and the Group. The U.S. Postal Service is extremely slow >> right now, both in the U.S. and International. I started receiving >> complaints from customers about not receiving there package, about >> the 3rd week in November. Since then, it has only gotten worse. Fred M. >> >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Has anyone else in the U.S. been experiencing the extreme delays in >>> the U.S. mail, either in shipping or receiving? >>> >>> I mean, I know it's the holidays, but COME ON....... >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From craigsires at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 04:48:17 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:48:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nice Ebay Suspect Auction Message-ID: <5902fb8b0712211948k31619c07i15e54a486b698153@mail.gmail.com> This one is Number 140191828297. Full of flowery descriptions and absolutely no buyer support. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Dec 22 06:48:20 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:48:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A letter for thought References: <122120072200.18347.476C377C0009B605000047AB22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01c8445e$42f73150$9fd417c4@home> Maybe the buyer paid even a lot more than you suggest Maybe the buyer is a member off this forum Maybe the seller is a member of this forum Maybe because of members of this forum's perceived class action ensured that there were not enough bids initially so the seller got scared and sold to the first guy who offered which appeared to the seller to be a reasonable offer. Maybe the seller,because of the activities of Naktalk,thought the commodity was too valuable to sell and holds it for another day. Maybe the seller's toe itched so he withdrew the item from auction Maybe the seller was not gulllible but very clever and sold it for a fortune,as there are people arround who are prepared to do that! Maybe he did not want Naktalk to have problems as the members would hold back and at the last moment cut one anothers throats by putting in ridiculously high bids,defeating any colusion that might have been planned and sowing dissent of high proportions. Maybe the selller wants to let the set be a loan set to Naktalk, so he withdrew it Who knows? The purpose of this little PIOUS letter is to let people be aware that there is always more to what it seems than what meets the eye.All sorts of people are members---and that is what makes the forum great! Let us not judge! In our country ,(South Africa) ,any class of people who collude together to keep a price down (or push it up)are committing an offence(viz it is against the law and the Competition Board is going to catch you!!!)---but then we come from the Bush..... walter PS ;'Bush' in local terms can loosely be described as a wild area with natural trees or thorn trees growing, away from civilisation(sometimes also referred to as "the Sticks")--yes Naks are owned in such places as well---the belts and orange caps tend to last longer in such areas! .For those of a different country or 'culture' to ours --'Bush' here has no reference to any living PERSON or other connotations! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] Darn Those Guys!!! > > I have e-mailed the "seller" of the Nakamichi gauges on eBay...you know, > the one who pulled the plug on the auction because they most probably > received a "back door deal" offer that they couldn't refuse. > > I told them that I belong to a Nakamichi owner's group and that there had > been a lot of discussion about those gauges in the past few days. > > I also told them that several people were waiting until the final day to > battle it out over those gauges. > > Lastly, I told them in no uncertain terms that they lost a lot of money by > ending the auction early and giving in to a "back door deal" offer, > because no matter what kind of offer they might have received, I (and > several others) were prepared to bid BIG for those gauges. > > I'm not kidding, the snipe bid I had prepared was four figures. I WANTED > THOSE GAUGES AND WAS PREPARED TO PAY *BIG* FOR THEM. > > Then I put my money where my mouth is, and told the seller that I would > DOUBLE any offer they may have gotten. > > I realize that this is indeed eBay, and that if you miss a "rarity" > auction you shouldn't worry because eventually another one pops up, but > this really pissed me off. > > Of course, no reply yet..... > > I am an eBay seller myself, and I have received "back door deal" offers to > end my auctions early. In EVERY case, I knew darn well that the "back > door deal" offer was being made because the buyer wanted the item but did > NOT want it badly enough to bid hard for it. Cheapskate buyers like this > don't like competition, because they don't want to pay a lot and they know > they would have to bid hard if they want a chance to win an auction like > this one. > > Furthermore, they like to strike early on in an auction because they hope > that sellers are dazzled if their offer is a lot more than the current > bid, but I am not fooled that easily. In EVERY case, I have chosen to let > the auction run its course, and I ALWAYS wound up selling the item for a > LOT more than what the "back door" buyer was offering to pay. > > Unfortunately, with the Nakamichi gauge auction, there was a "perfect > storm" situation. There was not enough bid activity on the item, and this > seller was gullible enough to snap at a "back door deal" offer. > > I'll bet the buyer got those damn gauges for a couple hundred bucks, > tops.... > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 06:58:31 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:58:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Association of Nakamich Tape Deck Owners happy new year! Kanan- Thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3017.54296.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali thanks for your Greetings, My best wishes for the Xmas/ New Year and all other special festival to all the Nakamaniacs. I also would like to thank Mike - (LENA) for his greetings- wish him all the best and would reply him in person when I return to US ( 1st jan 2008) Kannan BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Kanan, This is Ali, how have you been?! Havent heard from you in a long time! miss your posts you are one of the brains here! I read your posts with great interest!. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Dec 22 15:26:28 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:26:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX303 lamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <476D1E94.7050301@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron, both 6 v and 12 miniature lamps are available at local Radio > Shack, I replaced the burnt bulb in one of my Nak's tape well with > one from Radio Shack and it works like new! > Hope this helps! > > Thanks! > > Ali Just FYI, I replace burned out lamps in Sankyo transports with lamps from All Electronics. Be aware that the 12V lamp current must be 35mA or 40mA. Most lamps on the market are twice that or more and should not be used. The All Electronics lamps cost was very low. The last lamp I bought from Nak in Torrance, several years ago, cost $11, including shipping. It came with the small metal part that holds it down and the colored cap, though. -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 15:29:28 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:29:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! Message-ID: <122220071429.18260.476D1F480003F3BE0000475422155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello All: I just want to extend my warmest wishes for a Happy Christmas and ALL THE BEST IN 2008 for every member of the Naktalk community! I truly regard many of you as genuine friends, and always look forward to my reading my e-mails over coffee every morning. We are all very lucky to have such a great group of friends who help each other out and who can chat about almost anything... COMFORT AND JOY TO YOU ALL, AND....ENJOY THE MUSIC! *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 22 15:38:12 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:38:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Darn Those Guys!!! Message-ID: <24000259.1198334292621.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, With all due respect, I don't believe the gauges are worh 4 figures. With that kind of money we could certainly create a NakTalk loaner set. What I did to get my second set was to offer to buy within my service professionals newsgroup. You might check with each service center in your area asking specifically if they once were authorized Nakamichi. I guarantee that any gauges you find will be dusty and cheap. When new the Nak gauges came in two sets. The first was $700 US. The second, for the BX 300 transport, was another $350. Gauges will not make a servicer rich! They only provide a reference for the few times that a reference is needed. They are very easy to use, and that is a plus, but they are not the only option. Please trust me when I tell you that the wollensak/Information Terminals gauge will do almost all alignments. Manos' servicer in Greece has 2 sets. If you seriously want gauges I would contact Manos to convey your offer to buy. tom -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Dec 21, 2007 4:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Darn Those Guys!!! > > >I have e-mailed the "seller" of the Nakamichi gauges on eBay...you know, the one who pulled the plug on the auction because they most probably received a "back door deal" offer that they couldn't refuse. > >I told them that I belong to a Nakamichi owner's group and that there had been a lot of discussion about those gauges in the past few days. > >I also told them that several people were waiting until the final day to battle it out over those gauges. > >Lastly, I told them in no uncertain terms that they lost a lot of money by ending the auction early and giving in to a "back door deal" offer, because no matter what kind of offer they might have received, I (and several others) were prepared to bid BIG for those gauges. > >I'm not kidding, the snipe bid I had prepared was four figures. I WANTED THOSE GAUGES AND WAS PREPARED TO PAY *BIG* FOR THEM. > >Then I put my money where my mouth is, and told the seller that I would DOUBLE any offer they may have gotten. > >I realize that this is indeed eBay, and that if you miss a "rarity" auction you shouldn't worry because eventually another one pops up, but this really pissed me off. > >Of course, no reply yet..... > >I am an eBay seller myself, and I have received "back door deal" offers to end my auctions early. In EVERY case, I knew darn well that the "back door deal" offer was being made because the buyer wanted the item but did NOT want it badly enough to bid hard for it. Cheapskate buyers like this don't like competition, because they don't want to pay a lot and they know they would have to bid hard if they want a chance to win an auction like this one. > >Furthermore, they like to strike early on in an auction because they hope that sellers are dazzled if their offer is a lot more than the current bid, but I am not fooled that easily. In EVERY case, I have chosen to let the auction run its course, and I ALWAYS wound up selling the item for a LOT more than what the "back door" buyer was offering to pay. > >Unfortunately, with the Nakamichi gauge auction, there was a "perfect storm" situation. There was not enough bid activity on the item, and this seller was gullible enough to snap at a "back door deal" offer. > >I'll bet the buyer got those damn gauges for a couple hundred bucks, tops.... > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 15:39:09 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:39:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD Message-ID: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello All: I have developed an alternative method for replacing the idler tire in a deck with the Sankyo tape transport. I believe that my method is superior to the method described by ESL, because it does not require you to cut and remove the retaining washer that holds the idler pulley, so the deck stays in one piece. Thus, the security of the retaining washer is not compromised. In all fairness, I will say that my method does require attention to detail and a fair amount of finesse. But if you are as good at it as I am, you can remove and replace an idler tire in only minutes. (Sorry, had to toot my own horn there....) Luis has kindly posted the steps and photos of my idler tire installation method on his website: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_idler_tyre.html Check it out, and let me know what you think! *andy* From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 23 01:29:43 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:29:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: hello Andy, tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used three different browsers and same result with each same holds true for cr7 motor essay probably just me, thanks, dave dickerson, austin, tx, us From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Dec 23 01:45:34 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:45:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] RX303 lamp Message-ID: Thanks for the info Ron will get them a try next time a need bulb for my nak, Ali **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Dec 23 11:25:06 2007 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:25:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Merry Christmas to all the NakTalkers Message-ID: Hello Everyone! Merry Christmas to all the members of this wonderful forum and very best wishes for 2008. Regards Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Sun Dec 23 13:59:58 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:59:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE Replacement Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232BC214D5@mail.mmsav.com> Hello all, I don't understand all the trouble with simply removing the idler wheel??? I worked at authorized Nakamichi servicing dealers from 1978-1999 and have probably replaced dozens if not scores of idler wheels. It is easiest to do this while the deck is resting on it's rear panel with the front panel and transport facing up. (Better visibility!) Simply remove the cover plate on the back of the cassette compartment, use a plastic screw driver or chamois stick to support the Idler Wheel, and then use a very small screwdriver to gently pop the plastic retaining washer off, taking care that it doesn't pop into the air by keeping your finger on it. Lift the Idler Pulley off taking care not to loose the slip washer on the backside, replace the tire, drop it back in place, and reinstall the retaining washer with your finger and fingernail. A few things to make it easier are a magnetized #0 Phillips screwdriver so the cassette compartment cover plate screws don't fall into the transport, and a moistened finger to hold the retaining washer when reinstalling the idler pulley. It just takes a few minutes. Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 ------------- __O ----------- _\<, ---------- (_)/(_) From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 23 17:13:49 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:13:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> Hi Dave, I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, it's probably just you. Anybody else has problems with the site? Best rgds, LP. d. dickerson escribió: > hello Andy, > > tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used three > different browsers and same result with each > > same holds true for cr7 motor essay > > probably just me, > > thanks, > > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 15:53:06 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:53:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD Message-ID: <122320071453.14951.476E7652000A2AC900003A6722147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dave: Good to hear from you again! I have found that Luis' site must sometimes be manually refreshed. Go to his site again, and when you reach it, hit your F5 key. This will clear your browser's previously-saved version of his site and should give you a brand new connection. Let me know if you still can't see my photos....They work perfectly for me. Is anyone else having problems viewing Luis' site? *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 23 16:43:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:43:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <476E8217.3020105@rcn.com> Andy, A long time ago I was asked for a detailed description of how to replace the idler. Since I still have it on file, I attach it here. Hope it will make it through the NakTalk server. As you can see (I hope), the main difference is that I do not advocate cutting -- and then reinstalling -- the tire with the idler still in place. This increases the chance of breaking the idler mount, which is irreplaceable. (Nak didn't offer it separately -- only as part of a 'reel motor assembly'.) Instead, I stuff a small piece of clean rag behind the idler before removing the washer; if it falls, it remains of the rag and is easy to retrieve, rather than disappearing into the transport, never to be found again. Also, I remove it with a flat nose plier, rather than a long nose one, to get better grip. The whole job takes just a few minutes. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All: > > I have developed an alternative method for replacing the idler tire in a deck with the Sankyo tape transport. > > I believe that my method is superior to the method described by ESL, because it does not require you to cut and remove the retaining washer that holds the idler pulley, so the deck stays in one piece. Thus, the security of the retaining washer is not compromised. > > In all fairness, I will say that my method does require attention to detail and a fair amount of finesse. > > But if you are as good at it as I am, you can remove and replace an idler tire in only minutes. (Sorry, had to toot my own horn there....) > > Luis has kindly posted the steps and photos of my idler tire installation method on his website: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_idler_tyre.html > > Check it out, and let me know what you think! > > *andy* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SankyoIdler.doc Type: application/msword Size: 31232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Dec 23 17:37:35 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:37:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD Message-ID: In a message dated 12/23/2007 8:16:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: Anybody else has problems with the site? It was extremely slow to set up on my computer. Don't know why. I have to agree with Doug that the washer isn't much of a problem once you get used to it. It just takes the right touch to get the washer off, and you can prevent it from flying off into space by using a little piece of scotch tape when you're removing it - and when you're putting it back on. The first time I did it, it took quite a while, but I can do the whole thing in a few minutes now. I don't really think Andy's method is so good, as I've had old tires which would have been very hard to remove using his method. I think it's much easier to remove the old tire with the ESL method. The various replacement tires have their own characteristics too - although Tom doesn't like it, the MCM tire listed on Scott's website sits very nicely in the groove, and was easier to seat than some of the others I've tried. I've had some of them last for years, but they do need to be used regularly. They get a patina if they're not used. Usually running the deck in FF for 10 minutes is enough to wear that off. They're so cheap, if you have a few decks which use them, you can get a few year's supply for around $10. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sun Dec 23 18:37:11 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:37:11 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! References: <200712231110.lBNBA5gZ009289@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002301c8458a$72fcc270$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Merry Christmas everyone! From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Dec 23 19:23:30 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:23:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071223182328.ITTJ15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Dave, Try using Internet Explorer as I could not view BOTH pictures and text with Firefox and had to change the display type to Internet Explorer. I use Netscape Navigator and it allows you to change the display type for either Firefox or Internet Explorer without. At 07:29 PM 12/22/2007, you wrote: >hello Andy, > >tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >three different browsers and same result with each > >same holds true for cr7 motor essay > >probably just me, > >thanks, > >dave dickerson, austin, tx, us > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Dec 23 19:24:56 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Luis, I think you need to change the webpage for Internet Explorer and Firefox and others. I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. At 11:13 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >I run that apache webserver and seems to be just >fine, so as you say, it's probably just you. > >Anybody else has problems with the site? > >Best rgds, LP. > >d. dickerson escribió: >>hello Andy, >>tried url and was able to read text, but no >>photos came up...used three different browsers and same result with each >>same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>probably just me, >>thanks, >>dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 20:53:49 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:53:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <483262.7095.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Dave, The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make sure you have that turned on. David --- "d. dickerson" wrote: > hello Andy, > > tried url and was able to read text, but no photos > came up...used three > different browsers and same result with each > > same holds true for cr7 motor essay > > probably just me, > > thanks, > > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 23 21:07:46 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:07:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <476EC012.4040401@rcn.com> I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, > it's probably just you. > > Anybody else has problems with the site? > > Best rgds, LP. > > d. dickerson escribió: >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >> three different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 24 09:17:15 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:17:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <476EC012.4040401@rcn.com> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> <476EC012.4040401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <476F6B0B.8010200@peromarta.org> Yes, it uses javascript allover. Please allow your browsers to execute javascript. rgds, LP. Ron escribió: > > I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running > Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. > > -- Ron > From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 24 09:26:39 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:26:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <476F6D3F.2060001@peromarta.org> Hi Roland, the sites uses javascript extensively. Please allow your browser to execute javascript. It works on firefox, IE, camino & safari. Best rgds, LP. Roland escribió: > Luis, > > I think you need to change the webpage for Internet Explorer and Firefox > and others. > > I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Dec 23 22:09:02 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:09:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <483262.7095.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <483262.7095.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476ECE6E.1030801@yahoo.ca> The pics are at the bottom of the page, by the way. fripp_em a écrit : > Hi Dave, > > The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make > sure you have that turned on. > > David > > --- "d. dickerson" wrote: > > >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >> came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Dec 23 22:10:20 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:10:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD Message-ID: In the spirit of Jeff Foxworthy's "You know you're a redneck when..." You know you've got too many Nak decks when the loading icon on Vista reminds you of the Sankyo idler tire. JW **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 24 02:14:10 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:14:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <476EC012.4040401@rcn.com> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> <476EC012.4040401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <2f3da3b8118f45bcd7f1d70fc009b0d4@austin.rr.com> thanks guys and best holiday wishes.... was finally able to few pictures from wife's macbook with os 10.4.11 and safari dave d, austin, tx, us On 23 Dec 2007, at 14:07, Ron wrote: > > I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running > Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Dave, >> I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, >> it's probably just you. >> Anybody else has problems with the site? >> Best rgds, LP. >> d. dickerson escribió: >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>> three different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu Mon Dec 24 02:49:25 2007 From: Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu (Grover Zinn (imap)) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:49:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <483262.7095.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <483262.7095.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2668D0F8-399B-4493-8133-A41FE86D70F9@oberlin.edu> No problems with text or pictures here. Running an Mac with Leopard (10.5.1) and Safari 3.0. I'll try Mozilla on the Mac later. Best Grover Grover A. Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:53 PM, fripp_em wrote: > Hi Dave, > > The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make > sure you have that turned on. > > David > > --- "d. dickerson" wrote: > >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >> came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bwana747 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 24 03:40:58 2007 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:40:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD In-Reply-To: <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <122220071439.5111.476D218D000E0326000013F722155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <476E893D.9000703@peromarta.org> <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: The web page works for me with Firefox if javascript is enabled (internet options). At first I was looking for the photos to appear to the left side of the text. With Firefox the photos appear neatly grouped at the bottom of the page. Those photos can be viewed full size by selecting each with a mouse left-click. The bottom of the page may be where the photos will appear when viewed with Internet Explorer though I haven't tried viewing the page with that browser. Bob > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:56 -0500> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: rjlbjk at cox.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD> > Luis,> > I think you need to change the webpage for > Internet Explorer and Firefox and others.> > I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer.> > _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! *andy* From calman46 at verizon.net Mon Dec 24 15:53:31 2007 From: calman46 at verizon.net (calman46) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:53:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon References: <200712241101.lBOB1HtM004971@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <017e01c8463c$c0fa7280$0bd5fea9@james> Hello all, My Dragon has weak playback in the right side on reverse playback not to bad on foward play. I just bought it and has been sitting for about 8 years . The seller told of the issues and it was priced as such. Could this be caused by dirty switches etc.. The heads are clean and de-magged. I will mostly like bring it to ESL . But it doesn't hurt to ask, any thoughts ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:01 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 24 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SANKYO IDLER TIRE Replacement (Doug Guth) > 2. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 3. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 4. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD (Ron) > 5. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 6. Re: Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! (Jim Plosay) > 7. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Roland) > 8. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Roland) > 9. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (fripp_em) > 10. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD (Ron) > 11. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 12. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 13. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 14. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 15. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (d. dickerson) > 16. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Grover Zinn (imap)) > 17. RE: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (bwana747 _) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:59:58 -0500 > From: Doug Guth > Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE Replacement > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232BC214D5 at mail.mmsav.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > I don't understand all the trouble with simply removing the idler > wheel??? I worked at authorized Nakamichi servicing dealers from > 1978-1999 and have probably replaced dozens if not scores of idler wheels. > It is easiest to do this while the deck is resting on it's rear panel with > the front panel and transport facing up. (Better visibility!) Simply > remove the cover plate on the back of the cassette compartment, use a > plastic screw driver or chamois stick to support the Idler Wheel, and then > use a very small screwdriver to gently pop the plastic retaining washer > off, taking care that it doesn't pop into the air by keeping your finger > on it. Lift the Idler Pulley off taking care not to loose the slip washer > on the backside, replace the tire, drop it back in place, and reinstall > the retaining washer with your finger and fingernail. A few things to > make it easier are a magnetized #0 Phillips screwdriver so the cassette > compartment cover plate screws don't fall into the tra! > nsport, and a moistened finger to hold the retaining washer when > reinstalling the idler pulley. It just takes a few minutes. > > > > > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > > ------------- __O > ----------- _\<, > ---------- (_)/(_) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:13:49 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476E893D.9000703 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Dave, > > I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, > it's probably just you. > > Anybody else has problems with the site? > > Best rgds, LP. > > d. dickerson escribió: >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:53:06 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: ddickerson at austin.rr.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <122320071453.14951.476E7652000A2AC900003A6722147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > Hi, Dave: > > Good to hear from you again! > > I have found that Luis' site must sometimes be manually refreshed. Go to > his site again, and when you reach it, hit your F5 key. This will clear > your browser's previously-saved version of his site and should give you a > brand new connection. > > Let me know if you still can't see my photos....They work perfectly for > me. > > Is anyone else having problems viewing Luis' site? > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:43:19 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476E8217.3020105 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Andy, > > A long time ago I was asked for a detailed description of > how to replace the idler. Since I still have it on file, I > attach it here. Hope it will make it through the NakTalk > server. > > As you can see (I hope), the main difference is that I do > not advocate cutting -- and then reinstalling -- the tire > with the idler still in place. This increases the chance > of breaking the idler mount, which is irreplaceable. (Nak > didn't offer it separately -- only as part of a 'reel motor > assembly'.) Instead, I stuff a small piece of clean rag > behind the idler before removing the washer; if it falls, > it remains of the rag and is easy to retrieve, rather than > disappearing into the transport, never to be found again. > Also, I remove it with a flat nose plier, rather than a > long nose one, to get better grip. The whole job takes > just a few minutes. > > -- Ron > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Hello All: >> >> I have developed an alternative method for replacing the idler tire in a >> deck with the Sankyo tape transport. >> >> I believe that my method is superior to the method described by ESL, >> because it does not require you to cut and remove the retaining washer >> that holds the idler pulley, so the deck stays in one piece. Thus, the >> security of the retaining washer is not compromised. >> >> In all fairness, I will say that my method does require attention to >> detail and a fair amount of finesse. >> >> But if you are as good at it as I am, you can remove and replace an idler >> tire in only minutes. (Sorry, had to toot my own horn there....) >> >> Luis has kindly posted the steps and photos of my idler tire installation >> method on his website: >> >> http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_idler_tyre.html >> >> Check it out, and let me know what you think! >> >> *andy* > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: SankyoIdler.doc > Type: application/msword > Size: 31232 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/1b087f39/SankyoIdler-0001.doc > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:37:35 EST > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 12/23/2007 8:16:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > luis at peromarta.org writes: > > Anybody else has problems with the site? > > > > It was extremely slow to set up on my computer. Don't know why. > I have to agree with Doug that the washer isn't much of a problem once you > get used to it. It just takes the right touch to get the washer off, and > you > can prevent it from flying off into space by using a little piece of > scotch > tape when you're removing it - and when you're putting it back on. The > first > time I did it, it took quite a while, but I can do the whole thing in a > few > minutes now. > I don't really think Andy's method is so good, as I've had old tires which > would have been very hard to remove using his method. I think it's much > easier to remove the old tire with the ESL method. The various > replacement tires > have their own characteristics too - although Tom doesn't like it, the MCM > tire listed on Scott's website sits very nicely in the groove, and was > easier to > seat than some of the others I've tried. I've had some of them last for > years, but they do need to be used regularly. They get a patina if > they're not > used. Usually running the deck in FF for 10 minutes is enough to wear > that > off. They're so cheap, if you have a few decks which use them, you can > get a > few year's supply for around $10. > Jeff W > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/b79e69d5/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:37:11 -0900 > From: Jim Plosay > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <002301c8458a$72fcc270$0201a8c0 at D3JKMYB1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Merry Christmas everyone! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:23:30 -0500 > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20071223182328.ITTJ15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dave, > > Try using Internet Explorer as I could not view BOTH pictures and > text with Firefox and had to change the display type to Internet Explorer. > > I use Netscape Navigator and it allows you to change the display type > for either Firefox or Internet Explorer without. > > > > > At 07:29 PM 12/22/2007, you wrote: >>hello Andy, >> >>tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>three different browsers and same result with each >> >>same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >>probably just me, >> >>thanks, >> >>dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:56 -0500 > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net at eastrmimpo01.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Luis, > > I think you need to change the webpage for > Internet Explorer and Firefox and others. > > I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. > > At 11:13 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Dave, >> >>I run that apache webserver and seems to be just >>fine, so as you say, it's probably just you. >> >>Anybody else has problems with the site? >> >>Best rgds, LP. >> >>d. dickerson escribió: >>>hello Andy, >>>tried url and was able to read text, but no >>>photos came up...used three different browsers and same result with each >>>same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>>probably just me, >>>thanks, >>>dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:53:49 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <483262.7095.qm at web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Dave, > > The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make > sure you have that turned on. > > David > > --- "d. dickerson" wrote: > >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >> came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:07:46 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476EC012.4040401 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running > Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Dave, >> >> I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, >> it's probably just you. >> >> Anybody else has problems with the site? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> d. dickerson escribió: >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>> three different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:17:15 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476F6B0B.8010200 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Yes, it uses javascript allover. Please allow your browsers to execute > javascript. > > rgds, LP. > > Ron escribió: >> >> I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running >> Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. >> >> -- Ron >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:26:39 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476F6D3F.2060001 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Roland, > > the sites uses javascript extensively. Please allow your browser to > execute javascript. It works on firefox, IE, camino & safari. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Roland escribió: >> Luis, >> >> I think you need to change the webpage for Internet Explorer and Firefox >> and others. >> >> I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:09:02 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476ECE6E.1030801 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The pics are at the bottom of the page, by the way. > > fripp_em a écrit : >> Hi Dave, >> >> The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make >> sure you have that turned on. >> >> David >> >> --- "d. dickerson" wrote: >> >> >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >>> came up...used three >>> different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:10:20 EST > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In the spirit of Jeff Foxworthy's "You know you're a redneck when..." > > You know you've got too many Nak decks when the loading icon on Vista > reminds you of the Sankyo idler tire. > > JW > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/628d7801/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:14:10 -0600 > From: "d. dickerson" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <2f3da3b8118f45bcd7f1d70fc009b0d4 at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > thanks guys and best holiday wishes.... > > was finally able to few pictures from wife's macbook with os 10.4.11 > and safari > > dave d, austin, tx, us > > On 23 Dec 2007, at 14:07, Ron wrote: > >> >> I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running >> Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, >>> it's probably just you. >>> Anybody else has problems with the site? >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> d. dickerson escribió: >>>> hello Andy, >>>> >>>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>>> three different browsers and same result with each >>>> >>>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>>> >>>> probably just me, >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:49:25 -0500 > From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <2668D0F8-399B-4493-8133-A41FE86D70F9 at oberlin.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > No problems with text or pictures here. Running an Mac with Leopard > (10.5.1) and Safari 3.0. I'll try Mozilla on the Mac later. > > Best > > Grover > > Grover A. Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:53 PM, fripp_em wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> >> The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make >> sure you have that turned on. >> >> David >> >> --- "d. dickerson" wrote: >> >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >>> came up...used three >>> different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:40:58 -0600 > From: bwana747 _ > Subject: RE: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The web page works for me with Firefox if javascript is enabled (internet > options). At first I was looking for the photos to appear to the left side > of the text. With Firefox the photos appear neatly grouped at the bottom > of the page. Those photos can be viewed full size by selecting each with a > mouse left-click. The bottom of the page may be where the photos will > appear when viewed with Internet Explorer though I haven't tried viewing > the page with that browser. > > Bob > > >> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:56 -0500> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: >> rjlbjk at cox.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE >> INSTALLATION METHOD> > Luis,> > I think you need to change the webpage >> for > Internet Explorer and Firefox and others.> > I can only view the >> text and photos using Internet Explorer.> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/8d21c9dd/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 24 > *************************************** From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 24 18:39:50 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:39:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon In-Reply-To: <017e01c8463c$c0fa7280$0bd5fea9@james> References: <200712241101.lBOB1HtM004971@zxe.naks.com> <017e01c8463c$c0fa7280$0bd5fea9@james> Message-ID: <476FEEE6.7090502@peromarta.org> Well, a full calibration always helps. http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_faq.html Best rgds, LP. calman46 escribió: > Hello all, My Dragon has weak playback in the right side on reverse > playback not to bad on foward play. I just bought it and has been sitting > for about 8 years . The seller told of the issues and it was priced as > such. > Could this be caused by dirty switches etc.. The heads are clean and > de-magged. I will mostly like bring it to ESL . But it doesn't hurt to ask, > any thoughts ? > From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Dec 25 19:36:16 2007 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:36:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000td Message-ID: <000c01c84725$08b598a0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Merry Christmas to all I am looking at purchasing a 1000td after having had a td700 for several years. Looking at the specs for the pre amp on the 1000td it is rated at 30hz-50khz while the td700 is 10hz-50khz! Is this correct? It would be a huge dissapointment if the 1000td would not live up to the performance of the td700. Thanks 80stech -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 21:21:50 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:21:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon In-Reply-To: <017e01c8463c$c0fa7280$0bd5fea9@james> Message-ID: <922867.67377.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My guess would be a orange cap problem. SJ calman46 wrote: Hello all, My Dragon has weak playback in the right side on reverse playback not to bad on foward play. I just bought it and has been sitting for about 8 years . The seller told of the issues and it was priced as such. Could this be caused by dirty switches etc.. The heads are clean and de-magged. I will mostly like bring it to ESL . But it doesn't hurt to ask, any thoughts ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:01 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 24 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SANKYO IDLER TIRE Replacement (Doug Guth) > 2. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 3. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 4. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD (Ron) > 5. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 6. Re: Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! (Jim Plosay) > 7. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Roland) > 8. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Roland) > 9. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (fripp_em) > 10. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD (Ron) > 11. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 12. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Luis Peromarta) > 13. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 14. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 15. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (d. dickerson) > 16. Re: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (Grover Zinn (imap)) > 17. RE: SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION METHOD > (bwana747 _) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:59:58 -0500 > From: Doug Guth > Subject: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE Replacement > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232BC214D5 at mail.mmsav.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > I don't understand all the trouble with simply removing the idler > wheel??? I worked at authorized Nakamichi servicing dealers from > 1978-1999 and have probably replaced dozens if not scores of idler wheels. > It is easiest to do this while the deck is resting on it's rear panel with > the front panel and transport facing up. (Better visibility!) Simply > remove the cover plate on the back of the cassette compartment, use a > plastic screw driver or chamois stick to support the Idler Wheel, and then > use a very small screwdriver to gently pop the plastic retaining washer > off, taking care that it doesn't pop into the air by keeping your finger > on it. Lift the Idler Pulley off taking care not to loose the slip washer > on the backside, replace the tire, drop it back in place, and reinstall > the retaining washer with your finger and fingernail. A few things to > make it easier are a magnetized #0 Phillips screwdriver so the cassette > compartment cover plate screws don't fall into the tra! > nsport, and a moistened finger to hold the retaining washer when > reinstalling the idler pulley. It just takes a few minutes. > > > > > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > > ------------- __O > ----------- _\<, > ---------- (_)/(_) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:13:49 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476E893D.9000703 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Dave, > > I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, > it's probably just you. > > Anybody else has problems with the site? > > Best rgds, LP. > > d. dickerson escribió: >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:53:06 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: ddickerson at austin.rr.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <122320071453.14951.476E7652000A2AC900003A6722147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > Hi, Dave: > > Good to hear from you again! > > I have found that Luis' site must sometimes be manually refreshed. Go to > his site again, and when you reach it, hit your F5 key. This will clear > your browser's previously-saved version of his site and should give you a > brand new connection. > > Let me know if you still can't see my photos....They work perfectly for > me. > > Is anyone else having problems viewing Luis' site? > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:43:19 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476E8217.3020105 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Andy, > > A long time ago I was asked for a detailed description of > how to replace the idler. Since I still have it on file, I > attach it here. Hope it will make it through the NakTalk > server. > > As you can see (I hope), the main difference is that I do > not advocate cutting -- and then reinstalling -- the tire > with the idler still in place. This increases the chance > of breaking the idler mount, which is irreplaceable. (Nak > didn't offer it separately -- only as part of a 'reel motor > assembly'.) Instead, I stuff a small piece of clean rag > behind the idler before removing the washer; if it falls, > it remains of the rag and is easy to retrieve, rather than > disappearing into the transport, never to be found again. > Also, I remove it with a flat nose plier, rather than a > long nose one, to get better grip. The whole job takes > just a few minutes. > > -- Ron > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Hello All: >> >> I have developed an alternative method for replacing the idler tire in a >> deck with the Sankyo tape transport. >> >> I believe that my method is superior to the method described by ESL, >> because it does not require you to cut and remove the retaining washer >> that holds the idler pulley, so the deck stays in one piece. Thus, the >> security of the retaining washer is not compromised. >> >> In all fairness, I will say that my method does require attention to >> detail and a fair amount of finesse. >> >> But if you are as good at it as I am, you can remove and replace an idler >> tire in only minutes. (Sorry, had to toot my own horn there....) >> >> Luis has kindly posted the steps and photos of my idler tire installation >> method on his website: >> >> http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_idler_tyre.html >> >> Check it out, and let me know what you think! >> >> *andy* > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: SankyoIdler.doc > Type: application/msword > Size: 31232 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/1b087f39/SankyoIdler-0001.doc > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:37:35 EST > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 12/23/2007 8:16:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > luis at peromarta.org writes: > > Anybody else has problems with the site? > > > > It was extremely slow to set up on my computer. Don't know why. > I have to agree with Doug that the washer isn't much of a problem once you > get used to it. It just takes the right touch to get the washer off, and > you > can prevent it from flying off into space by using a little piece of > scotch > tape when you're removing it - and when you're putting it back on. The > first > time I did it, it took quite a while, but I can do the whole thing in a > few > minutes now. > I don't really think Andy's method is so good, as I've had old tires which > would have been very hard to remove using his method. I think it's much > easier to remove the old tire with the ESL method. The various > replacement tires > have their own characteristics too - although Tom doesn't like it, the MCM > tire listed on Scott's website sits very nicely in the groove, and was > easier to > seat than some of the others I've tried. I've had some of them last for > years, but they do need to be used regularly. They get a patina if > they're not > used. Usually running the deck in FF for 10 minutes is enough to wear > that > off. They're so cheap, if you have a few decks which use them, you can > get a > few year's supply for around $10. > Jeff W > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/b79e69d5/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:37:11 -0900 > From: Jim Plosay > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Happy Christmas, EVERYONE! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <002301c8458a$72fcc270$0201a8c0 at D3JKMYB1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Merry Christmas everyone! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:23:30 -0500 > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20071223182328.ITTJ15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dave, > > Try using Internet Explorer as I could not view BOTH pictures and > text with Firefox and had to change the display type to Internet Explorer. > > I use Netscape Navigator and it allows you to change the display type > for either Firefox or Internet Explorer without. > > > > > At 07:29 PM 12/22/2007, you wrote: >>hello Andy, >> >>tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>three different browsers and same result with each >> >>same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >>probably just me, >> >>thanks, >> >>dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:56 -0500 > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20071223182453.KCSI6098.eastrmmtao101.cox.net at eastrmimpo01.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Luis, > > I think you need to change the webpage for > Internet Explorer and Firefox and others. > > I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. > > At 11:13 AM 12/23/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Dave, >> >>I run that apache webserver and seems to be just >>fine, so as you say, it's probably just you. >> >>Anybody else has problems with the site? >> >>Best rgds, LP. >> >>d. dickerson escribió: >>>hello Andy, >>>tried url and was able to read text, but no >>>photos came up...used three different browsers and same result with each >>>same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>>probably just me, >>>thanks, >>>dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:53:49 -0800 (PST) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <483262.7095.qm at web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Dave, > > The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make > sure you have that turned on. > > David > > --- "d. dickerson" wrote: > >> hello Andy, >> >> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >> came up...used three >> different browsers and same result with each >> >> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >> >> probably just me, >> >> thanks, >> >> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:07:46 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476EC012.4040401 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running > Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Dave, >> >> I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, >> it's probably just you. >> >> Anybody else has problems with the site? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> d. dickerson escribió: >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos came up...used >>> three different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:17:15 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476F6B0B.8010200 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Yes, it uses javascript allover. Please allow your browsers to execute > javascript. > > rgds, LP. > > Ron escribió: >> >> I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running >> Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. >> >> -- Ron >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:26:39 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476F6D3F.2060001 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Roland, > > the sites uses javascript extensively. Please allow your browser to > execute javascript. It works on firefox, IE, camino & safari. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Roland escribió: >> Luis, >> >> I think you need to change the webpage for Internet Explorer and Firefox >> and others. >> >> I can only view the text and photos using Internet Explorer. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:09:02 -0500 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <476ECE6E.1030801 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The pics are at the bottom of the page, by the way. > > fripp_em a écrit : >> Hi Dave, >> >> The web page uses javascript to load the images. Make >> sure you have that turned on. >> >> David >> >> --- "d. dickerson" wrote: >> >> >>> hello Andy, >>> >>> tried url and was able to read text, but no photos >>> came up...used three >>> different browsers and same result with each >>> >>> same holds true for cr7 motor essay >>> >>> probably just me, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> dave dickerson, austin, tx, us >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:10:20 EST > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In the spirit of Jeff Foxworthy's "You know you're a redneck when..." > > You know you've got too many Nak decks when the loading icon on Vista > reminds you of the Sankyo idler tire. > > JW > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071223/628d7801/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:14:10 -0600 > From: "d. dickerson" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] SANKYO IDLER TIRE - AN ALTERNATIVE INSTALLATION > METHOD > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <2f3da3b8118f45bcd7f1d70fc009b0d4 at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > thanks guys and best holiday wishes.... > > was finally able to few pictures from wife's macbook with os 10.4.11 > and safari > > dave d, austin, tx, us > > On 23 Dec 2007, at 14:07, Ron wrote: > >> >> I didn't see any pictures, either. Is the site running >> Java scripts or Flash? My browser will reject these. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Dave, >>> I run that apache webserver and seems to be just fine, so as you say, === message truncated === --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Dec 26 18:14:00 2007 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:14:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1KHz, Nakamichi Nr. DA 09007A on eBay Message-ID: Hi everyone! Just saw this on German eBay. Anyone interested? Item Number : 260196382512 Regards Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Glynn Davies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Dec 27 10:54:00 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (pdb at mit.bolignet.dk) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:54:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Recording on a Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6839b2c0712270154n48c2e260p2bd7b5a586e43eaa@mail.gmail.com> Hi Glynn, You have to get yourself a microphone amp of some kind to produce a line output to feed ur wonderful 600. A Nak 610 preamp w mic, phono and line would be a nice companion but it is a rare beast. Others on this list might have some suggestions reg. what to buy. Good luck. Best Regards, Per From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Dec 27 13:47:12 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:47:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Recording on a Nakamichi 600 Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232BC214D9@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Glynn, Nakamichi used to make a nice little three channel microphone mixer to use with their decks. They had had a booklet showing how to record various size music groups using three mics. Some of the original, and most prized, RCA "Shaded-Dog" Living Stereo and Mercury record albums used three microphones to record an entire orchestra. These were very realistic sounding albums. I had fun years ago with my Nakamichi 550 and a set of Nakamichi microphones. You can purchase any high quality microphone mixer/preamp to raise the signal level to match the line inputs of your 600 deck. Happy Recording! Doug ________________________________ From: Glynn Davies [glynndavies at shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Recording on a Nakamichi 600 I would like to record onto my Nak 600 through a mike but the only input connections assume you are recording direct from an amplifier or receiver. Does anyone know if I can record using a mike and how I should go about it. Thanks, Glynn Davies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Dec 28 17:33:48 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:33:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Strange One, Indeed.... Message-ID: <122820071633.24642.4775256C0003F8AF0000604222165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Anyone ever heard of one of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/BRUEL-KJAER-TYPE-7400-DIGITAL-CASSETTE-RECORDER_W0QQitemZ280187429316QQihZ018QQcategoryZ25423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Dec 28 18:15:28 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:15:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A Strange One, Indeed.... In-Reply-To: <122820071633.24642.4775256C0003F8AF0000604222165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <905998.645.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They seem to be around: Description: Use for storage and reconstruction of Data Output by instruments having IEC / IEEE or B & K low power Interface Input to IEC/IEEE Interface bus system of data recorded according to ECMA 34 Storage of reference spectra from B & K real Time Analyzers Recording up to 500 kbytes in a 8-bit format to any tape Extensive Search facilities with numeric display of tape location read after write Verify function And many functions more Power Supply : 110 / 220 VAC LINE or Dc Operation 10 VDC to 30 VDC / 16 Watt http://cgi.ebay.nl/Bruel-Kjaer-7400-Digital-Cassette-Recorder-IEC-IEEE_W0QQitemZ180056184702QQihZ008QQcategoryZ83654QQcmdZViewItem http://forsale-archives.amateurhams.com/Diodes/Bruel-kjaer-digital-cassette-recorder-7400-tested/ --- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Anyone ever heard of one of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/BRUEL-KJAER-TYPE-7400-DIGITAL-CASSETTE-RECORDER_W0QQitemZ280187429316QQihZ018QQcategoryZ25423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 28 22:34:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:34:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Strange One, Indeed.... In-Reply-To: <122820071633.24642.4775256C0003F8AF0000604222165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <122820071633.24642.4775256C0003F8AF0000604222165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47756BF0.6090406@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Anyone ever heard of one of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/BRUEL-KJAER-TYPE-7400-DIGITAL-CASSETTE-RECORDER_W0QQitemZ280187429316QQihZ018QQcategoryZ25423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* Bruel & Kjaer is a highly respected, high end instrumentation manufacturer. I used to be very familiar with their product line, but that was a long time ago. As far as I recall, they were not in the high fidelity business. Going by the name alone, I would suspect the unit is intended for either data or scientific audio recording. I would check the model carefully to make sure it's suitable for high quality music recording. -- Ron From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Dec 29 06:52:40 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:52:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Service and parts etc. Message-ID: While searching for belt sources in Australia I found this useful list of sources of parts and services in Australia and overseas. Some may find a gem or two. http://www.bassboy.com.au/getreel/site/help.htm Also manuals: http://stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm Also kit speakers and tube amplifiers: http://stonessoundstudio.com.au/index.htm David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 29 01:14:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:14:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Strange One, Indeed.... Message-ID: <24961565.1198887270726.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is a data recorder. Knowing B&K the transport ought to be nice. I wonder if Tandberg might have been the OEM. It has the Tandberg look. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Dec 28, 2007 10:33 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A Strange One, Indeed.... > > >Anyone ever heard of one of these? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/BRUEL-KJAER-TYPE-7400-DIGITAL-CASSETTE-RECORDER_W0QQitemZ280187429316QQihZ018QQcategoryZ25423QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From francosly at iol.it Sat Dec 29 11:56:27 2007 From: francosly at iol.it (francosly) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:56:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 References: <122820071633.24642.4775256C0003F8AF0000604222165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003001c84a09$76593ce0$1d01a8c0@franco> Hi Andy, as soon as I have any news, I will tell you immediatly. Happy new 2008!!! Franco Hi, can you please tell me when the Nakamichi T-100 arrives? The mail is running very slow here in the USA, and I want to make sure that everything is OK. THANK YOU...ANDY From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Dec 29 15:26:29 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:26:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY NEW YEAR In-Reply-To: <003001c84a09$76593ce0$1d01a8c0@franco> Message-ID: <78969A427F2048DE9EFC0EA9BCA6D695@GrahamNPC> I'm just passing thru again and would like to wish all my friends here a happy and healthy 2008. Gra' From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 29 16:34:26 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:34:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak retainer washers (a new breed) Message-ID: <10644036.1198942466901.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pathpp at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 18:17:23 2007 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:17:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <311900.76730.qm@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I own a CR-1A and it has a weak motor that turns the mechanism that moves the gears into place when switching from play to rewind or fast forward. It's the first time I've looked at it, but that's what seems to be the problem. Would that be the Ca80007 control motor? I found someone that has one for sale. I do plan to sell the deck, but if I could get it working, it may sell for a better price. Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Pat Joseph ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Dec 30 19:25:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:25:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2007 10:08:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pathpp at yahoo.com writes: I own a CR-1A and it has a weak motor that turns the mechanism that moves the gears into place when switching from play to rewind or fast forward. It's the first time I've looked at it, but that's what seems to be the problem. Would that be the Ca80007 control motor? I found someone that has one for sale. I do plan to sell the deck, but if I could get it working, it may sell for a better price. Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Pat Joseph Your problem might be solved simply by squirting DeOxIt into the slots of the control motor. They are notoriously problematic, especially if they're not being used. You might have to do the DeOxIt several times, but this fix has worked for a lot of people. Good luck! Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Sun Dec 30 20:44:50 2007 From: wjw at warwick.net (William Wheatley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:44:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem Message-ID: <4777F532.8000008@warwick.net> Hello All, I have a Nak Dr-8 that I have had for several years, and though it gets used on a regular basis, it has not had a lot of hours of use logged onto it. A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm using. I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, to even up any tension. Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it stopping on the other side while recording. Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any adjustments that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked that might need replacing? I'm no repairman when it comes to Naks, but I do keep the deck clean and demagnitized. Thanks, Bill From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Dec 30 22:01:00 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:01:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071230210057.GYHH476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Pat and Jeff W, I recall Andy had taken some short movies clip of how to DeOxit that motor. I cut and pasted this info from an email just a couple of weeks ago. I hope this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take a look at Andy's photo documented fix for a Nak control motor at http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw and http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw One of these slides shows the slots on the rear of the control motor & the rear of the REEL motor is similar. The reel motor is the one that has the brass pulley that engages with the rubber wheeled idler . When administering the Deoxit this is best done with the machine facing down to allow an easy application & for the fluid to flow down through the motor. Quickly remove any excess Deoxit if this gets on to the capstan belt or remove/get this belt out of the way whilst doing this. Several repeat doses may be needed with 'drying' out [followed by running, loaded up or just fast fwd/reverse] in between, so the process may take several days. Additionally it may also need a slight adjust to the torque control [VR???] adjuster - your manual will identify which one this is Hope this helps Dave At 01:25 PM 12/30/2007, you wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >In a message dated 12/30/2007 10:08:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >pathpp at yahoo.com writes: >I own a CR-1A and it has a weak motor that turns >the mechanism that moves the gears into place when >switching from play to rewind or fast forward. It's >the first time I've looked at it, but that's what >seems to be the problem. Would that be the Ca80007 >control motor? I found someone that has one for sale. >I do plan to sell the deck, but if I could get it >working, it may sell for a better price. > Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. > >Pat Joseph > >Your problem might be solved simply by squirting DeOxIt into the >slots of the control motor. They are notoriously problematic, >especially if they're not being used. You might have to do the >DeOxIt several times, but this fix has worked for a lot of people. > >Good luck! > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >See AOL's >top >rated recipes and >easy >ways to stay in shape for winter. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pathpp at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 22:56:30 2007 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:56:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <916459.47637.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> pathpp at yahoo.com writes: I own a CR-1A and it has a weak motor that turns the mechanism that moves the gears into place when switching from play to rewind or fast forward. It's the first time I've looked at it, but that's what seems to be the problem. Would that be the Ca80007 control motor? I found someone that has one for sale. I do plan to sell the deck, but if I could get it working, it may sell for a better price. Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Pat Joseph Your problem might be solved simply by squirting DeOxIt into the slots of the control motor. They are notoriously problematic, especially if they're not being used. You might have to do the DeOxIt several times, but this fix has worked for a lot of people. Good luck! Jeff W Thanks for the advice. I'll look for some DeToxIt and try cleaning it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From pathpp at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 23:13:01 2007 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:13:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR-1A Message-ID: <61737.482.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, did I come to the right place, or what! You guys are awesome! Thanks so much. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 02:13:14 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:13:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: <916459.47637.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498380.48117.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, you forgot to mention that root of the problem is a dead spot that has formed at that particular spot on the motor. Just spraying it full of Dexoit won't do anything. You have to take the motor off the transport so that it can run continuously and then run it for several minutes after the Deoxit. The brushes will help to scrape away the carbon deposits that have formed from the high current arcing when the motor is enabled from a dead stop. The most effective way to rejuvanate the motor is to take the motor apart. Put the rotating part of the motor in a drill and while spinning it, gently sand the commutator with fine grit sand paper. Lightly oil and reassemble. I think I have links to some pictures on my web site in the FAQ section. www.nakremotes.com BTW - I really like the Stone Sound Studio link that David Thompson sent out the other day. At the bottom it has a link to my Model List web page with a note, "The most comprehensive list in the Galaxy courtesy of Scott Johnson". Haha. I'm sure there is an even more comprehensive list somewhere in this vast galaxy, maybe even on this very small planet. Patrick Joseph wrote: pathpp at yahoo.com writes: I own a CR-1A and it has a weak motor that turns the mechanism that moves the gears into place when switching from play to rewind or fast forward. It's the first time I've looked at it, but that's what seems to be the problem. Would that be the Ca80007 control motor? I found someone that has one for sale. I do plan to sell the deck, but if I could get it working, it may sell for a better price. Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Pat Joseph Your problem might be solved simply by squirting DeOxIt into the slots of the control motor. They are notoriously problematic, especially if they're not being used. You might have to do the DeOxIt several times, but this fix has worked for a lot of people. Good luck! Jeff W Thanks for the advice. I'll look for some DeToxIt and try cleaning it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 31 06:50:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:50:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:02:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Jeff, you forgot to mention that root of the problem is a dead spot that has formed at that particular spot on the motor. Just spraying it full of Dexoit won't do anything. Hi Scott, Actually, the cam motor of one of my BX-300 had exactly the same problem last month. I didn't disassemble it, I just sprayed it very carefully with DeOxIt. I had to repeat the process a week later. My BX-300 has worked fine since then, and that's all it really needed.So I really have to disagree about "spraying it with DeOxIt won't do anything." Worked fine for me several times in the past on at least 4 different decks. I don't recommend spraying it "full of DeOxIt" so don't misquote me. I really don't think anyone should go for a complicated fix until the simple ones have been tried first. I put my BX-300 in "repeat" mode and let it go thru the entire cycle a few times with a short tape after letting the DeOxIt dry, which makes the cam mechanism cycle through its stations. For the reel motor, which can develop similar problems, it's a good idea to let the deck run if Fast Forward for a while after DeOxIt-ing it and letting it dry. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 31 16:16:55 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:16:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477907E7.6050401@rcn.com> To put the whole thing into perspective: squirting some contact cleaner (DeOxit or whatever) into the motor may fix the problem (or if may not). If it does, it's likely to be a temporary fix. Taking the motor apart and rebuilding it correctly will, in most cases, bring it back to like-new condition (at least, if the brushes/commutator/bearings are in good shape). If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer will curse him, but the buyer's money will be safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor or replace it and then fully disclose what's been done, in which case he is golden... -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/30/2007 8:02:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > p9019 at yahoo.com writes: > > Jeff, you forgot to mention that root of the problem is a dead spot > that has formed at that particular spot on the motor. Just spraying > it full of Dexoit won't do anything. > > Hi Scott, > > Actually, the cam motor of one of my BX-300 had exactly the same problem > last month. I didn't disassemble it, I just sprayed it very carefully > with DeOxIt. I had to repeat the process a week later. My BX-300 > has worked fine since then, and that's all it really needed.So I really > have to disagree about "spraying it with DeOxIt won't do anything." > Worked fine for me several times in the past on at least 4 different > decks. I don't recommend spraying it "full of DeOxIt" so don't misquote > me. > I really don't think anyone should go for a complicated fix until the > simple ones have been tried first. I put my BX-300 in "repeat" mode and > let it go thru the entire cycle a few times with a short tape after > letting the DeOxIt dry, which makes the cam mechanism cycle through its > stations. For the reel motor, which can develop similar problems, it's > a good idea to let the deck run if Fast Forward for a while after > DeOxIt-ing it and letting it dry. > > Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 31 16:28:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:28:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem In-Reply-To: <4777F532.8000008@warwick.net> References: <4777F532.8000008@warwick.net> Message-ID: <47790A8E.60905@rcn.com> One possible scenario: the deck has marginal take up problem. This would cause the tape to form a loop to at the take up side, causing the shut off mechanism to stop the deck. Or course, this would be as apt to happen during PB as during recoding, but -- since it's intermittent -- the occurrence during recording could be misleading. To check, wait until it happens the next time and observe whether the tape is loose on the takeup side. If so, it may be that all the deck needs is routine service (internal cleaning/lubrication). -- Ron William Wheatley wrote: > Hello All, > I have a Nak Dr-8 that I have had for several years, and though it > gets used on a regular basis, it has not had a lot of hours of use > logged onto it. > A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. > This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute > tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm > using. > I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, > to even up any tension. > Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during > the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the > cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it > stopping on the other side while recording. > > Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any adjustments > that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked that might > need replacing? > > I'm no repairman when it comes to Naks, but I do keep the deck clean > and demagnitized. > Thanks, > Bill From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 31 18:26:51 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:26:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer will curse him, but the buyer's money will be safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor or replace it and then fully disclose what's been done, in which case he is golden... Hi Ron, Again, in my own experience, I have had at least 4 decks (2 CR-3's & 2 BX-300's) for which the DeOxIt was a PERMANENT fix, right up to this day. Everything that you and Scott say is very nice in theory, but it does not match my own experience. In my memory, which is that of an old man and maybe isn't so great, it is also you and Scott who advocate changing all the orange caps in any given deck, and I think this kind of advice is the kill-the-fly-with-an-RPG kind, which is likely to cause as many problems as it solves with many deck owners. In my experience, a lot of the decks I have bought on eBay were ones the pr evious owner tried to do a DIY fix on and failed. Then they sell it on eBay. I have bought a lot of Nak decks which needed repair to correct the repairs the previous owner had attempted. I have had several decks which had failed cam motors, so I'm quite sure from my own experience that if the DeOxIt doesn't work, you'll know it right away. I would say flat out, always try the simplest fix first. If it doesn't work, go to plan B. Let's wait to see if the CR-1 in question responds to the DeOxIt well before suggesting a rebuild of the motor. Happy New Year Jeff **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 31 18:33:45 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:33:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/2007 12:22:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wjw at warwick.net writes: A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm using. I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, to even up any tension. Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it stopping on the other side while recording. Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any adjustments that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked that might need replacing? I had a BX-300 with a similar problem, except that it would inexplicably stop in playback every once in a while as well as recording. It needed a new tape tension belt, and I believe I also squirted a little DeOxIt in the reel motor. This advice is probably going to tick off Ron and Scott, but it worked for me and the deck is still going strong 3 years later. Jeff **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Dec 31 18:59:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:59:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR-1A Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:27:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Ok, maybe saying that spraying it with Deoxit alone won't do anything. I should have said it will do very little as you found out the first time when it went bad a week later. Now it's been a month, which isn't a very long time. Running the deck in repeat mode on a short tape is a really bad idea. The cause of the problem in the first place is starting the motor from a stop in a particular place which is exactly what you were going. You need to remove the motor from the back of the transport and let it run continuously. This high current start will slowly pit the commutator and the problem will reoccur more quickly. Hi Scott, I've tried this DeOxIt fix on a number of my Sankyo mechanism decks, most recently the one I mentioned about a month ago. Those of us who try this have often found from experience it has to be done a couple of times, and I'm assuming that is because the slot is so small you can't hit all the right places in a single shot. It has worked well for me on 2 CR-3's and 2 BX-300's, and it's been a few years now with 3 of them. It also did not work for several decks, and I found that out right away. I don't think every problem with a cam motor is the dead-spot variety as you assume. I have exactly that problem with a CR-4 and am familiar with its characteristics - the motor will move normally until the dreaded day it comes to rest on the dead spot. It's not a gradual failure of the motor, or a "weak" motor, as the owner of the CR-1 suggests. I always find it curious when people tell me that something which has worked perfectly well is a "bad idea." Happy Holidays Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 21:43:43 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430176.37258.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, I have never recommended changing all the caps. I have suggested that a particular problem most likely is caused by a orange caps, but, I never recommended just replacing all of them. I may not have said it, but, decks with orange cap disease or suspected orange cap disease needs to be carefully diagnosed. If it's a low signal level in one channel then the signal should be traced through the deck and the faulty block identified. Then try replacing the orange caps in that block. Regarding the control motor in CR-1, I only suggested that carbon needs to be scraped off and that just spraying Dexoit by itself won't do anything. Apparently it's effective enough for you. If you read my email again you will see that I did not say that "have to" take the motor apart and do a complete rebuild. I suggested that along with Dexoit the motor should be removed from the transport and run continuously for a while to scrape away the carbon traces off the commutator. In the end I said, "The most effective way to rejuvanate the motor is to take the motor apart." I'm sorry if you felt I made you look like a complete moron or something. It was not my intent. I only wanted to expand on the Deoxit suggestion. My decks are buried in my system getting and getting one out is not an easy task. Once I do get around to taking it out and opening it up I want it to stay fixed. SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer will curse him, but the buyer's money will be safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor or replace it and then fully disclose what's been done, in which case he is golden... Hi Ron, Again, in my own experience, I have had at least 4 decks (2 CR-3's & 2 BX-300's) for which the DeOxIt was a PERMANENT fix, right up to this day. Everything that you and Scott say is very nice in theory, but it does not match my own experience. In my memory, which is that of an old man and maybe isn't so great, it is also you and Scott who advocate changing all the orange caps in any given deck, and I think this kind of advice is the kill-the-fly-with-an-RPG kind, which is likely to cause as many problems as it solves with many deck owners. In my experience, a lot of the decks I have bought on eBay were ones the previous owner tried to do a DIY fix on and failed. Then they sell it on eBay. I have bought a lot of Nak decks which needed repair to correct the repairs the previous owner had attempted. I have had several decks which had failed cam motors, so I'm quite sure from my own experience that if the DeOxIt doesn't work, you'll know it right away. I would say flat out, always try the simplest fix first. If it doesn't work, go to plan B. Let's wait to see if the CR-1 in question responds to the DeOxIt well before suggesting a rebuild of the motor. 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If interested, please reply privately to victor_trifu at yahoo.com Sorry the spam :) Victor From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Feb 1 08:17:14 2007 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:17:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment gauge photo's In-Reply-To: <200701311921.l0VJK3v3015850@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Soumi, Check here for pix.... photo's of a significant number of the alignment gauges from my own collection... at least you can see what these 'things' look like.. http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/NZ_Nakfan/photos/browse/39a7 cheers, Martin From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 15:36:00 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:36:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <002a01c7456c$bbbabb30$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070201083600.00852a40@earthlink.net> I have to get scanning and camera capability here at work. Actually, I could take these home and photograph them there. Where would I send the photos ? tom At 12:49 AM 2/1/07 +0530, you wrote: >Hi Tom >It would be good to see the pics of the jigs laid out on a table if possible >... could you arrange that ? > >Best Regards >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 1 17:12:06 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:12:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <000d01c7461b$ba796e10$6701a8c0@main> While waiting for another Nak deck to be repaired for me, I bought a used Dragon on eBay (I could not resist it despite my little use of the decks. Sort of at that stage of my life that I want to get some things I always wanted but could not afford). All seemed to work well until I tried to adjust the left channel 400 cps setting on Metal tape. The pot did not bring up the bias signal on one channel above about -35 dB on the deck meter. (All other pots seemed fine though for both type 1 and type 2 tape as well as right channel 400 cps on metal). If I pushed the adjustment knob in a little and wiggled it, it worked, bringing the reading into the desired adjustable range and allowing adjustment, but if I released the knob the reading would again drop out of adjustable range. Sounded like a circuit board cold soldier joint or something on the pot to me. I removed the front cover enough to get inside from the right front edge of the deck. I sprayed the pot with contact cleaner and cycled it a bit. Still no good. I then touched up the soldier joints on that pot. Still no good. Looking at the circuit board side (from the edge since I did not completely disassemble it) the center (wiper?) tap seems closest to the edge and the ends of the pot seemed furthest from the edge. The circuit board photo in the repair manual seemed to show the upper contact closest to the edge was directly connected by the board traces to the wiper terminal( furthest from the edge of the board). I jumped the top of the upper end joint of the pot to the center (wiper?) joint with a wire (which seems what the circuit board does or should be doing, but my image in the manual is not all that great on the board traces between components) and the signal was so high that I needed to adjust the pot the whole way down (counterclockwise) got it to balance at 0 dB on the tape. There are two other resistors in line after that pot. R210 and R211. It could be one of those is open or shorted making the range incorrect. I cannot reach them from the edge without disassembly. Also it could be the pot is not right. I am not sure if turning the pot the whole way counterclockwise from the front decreases the pot resistance to 0 ohms or increases it to the 10,000 ohm value. I hate to have to remove the front completely (to do that, I need to remove some boards to get to the ribbon connectors from the board containing the pot) to get at the circuit board and maybe cause another problem. The deck seems ok now and I am able to get it to give me proper meter ranges on all tape types on both 400 and 15 k cps calibrations. It is quiet, well channel isolated and the levels seem correct transferring a tape to another Nak. I am awaiting some calibration tapes from Luis to check things further. I know it is not right, but it seems to work. I would rather get it right but don't want to fool around and mess something else up trying to get the adjustment range centered. Any thoughts on what might be wrong or as to me taking any further action? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 1 18:09:49 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:09:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070201083600.00852a40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070201170949.39282.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, How about sending them to each individuals e-mail addresses? Bob Hi Tech wrote: I have to get scanning and camera capability here at work. Actually, I could take these home and photograph them there. Where would I send the photos ? tom At 12:49 AM 2/1/07 +0530, you wrote: >Hi Tom >It would be good to see the pics of the jigs laid out on a table if possible >... could you arrange that ? > >Best Regards >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Feb 1 07:51:00 2007 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:51:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Name That Tune! References: <3.0.3.32.20070131131351.00852810@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04b401c745cd$551c2ab0$6401a8c0@Laptop> I am restoring some old tapes of radio programs from the 70's by replacing all the music with the original recordings. Problem is, there are three songs I still can't identify. The first two songs I have a recording of. The third, I only know the tune and I whistled a couple of bars. (Okay I know it's corny but it was that or humming it!) Can anyone identify any of these three songs or the artists who performed them? All three are from the mid 1970's. Song 1 is instrumental, Song 2 is a vocal and Song 3 is a country song that was a pop crossover around 1977. Any help is greatly appreciated. Mystery Song 1.wma Mystery Song 2.wma Mystery Song 3.wma If the links do not work you can also find them here: http://www3.telus.net/Rolands_Webspace/Mystery%20Music/ From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 1 18:26:40 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <000d01c7461b$ba796e10$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <297172.80075.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Is the pot leads soldered directly to the circuit board? Maybe when you push on the pot and it works correctly maybe there's a trace on the board that's cracked? I would think that the two resistors you mentioned cannot be open or you probably would not get anything at all. Is the resistor cracked? Maybe someone else had been pushing on the pot too hard???? Bob Bill Shenefelt wrote: While waiting for another Nak deck to be repaired for me, I bought a used Dragon on eBay (I could not resist it despite my little use of the decks. Sort of at that stage of my life that I want to get some things I always wanted but could not afford). All seemed to work well until I tried to adjust the left channel 400 cps setting on Metal tape. The pot did not bring up the bias signal on one channel above about -35 dB on the deck meter. (All other pots seemed fine though for both type 1 and type 2 tape as well as right channel 400 cps on metal). If I pushed the adjustment knob in a little and wiggled it, it worked, bringing the reading into the desired adjustable range and allowing adjustment, but if I released the knob the reading would again drop out of adjustable range. Sounded like a circuit board cold soldier joint or something on the pot to me. I removed the front cover enough to get inside from the right front edge of the deck. I sprayed the pot with contact cleaner and cycled it a bit. Still no good. I then touched up the soldier joints on that pot. Still no good. Looking at the circuit board side (from the edge since I did not completely disassemble it) the center (wiper?) tap seems closest to the edge and the ends of the pot seemed furthest from the edge. The circuit board photo in the repair manual seemed to show the upper contact closest to the edge was directly connected by the board traces to the wiper terminal( furthest from the edge of the board). I jumped the top of the upper end joint of the pot to the center (wiper?) joint with a wire (which seems what the circuit board does or should be doing, but my image in the manual is not all that great on the board traces between components) and the signal was so high that I needed to adjust the pot the whole way down (counterclockwise) got it to balance at 0 dB on the tape. There are two other resistors in line after that pot. R210 and R211. It could be one of those is open or shorted making the range incorrect. I cannot reach them from the edge without disassembly. Also it could be the pot is not right. I am not sure if turning the pot the whole way counterclockwise from the front decreases the pot resistance to 0 ohms or increases it to the 10,000 ohm value. I hate to have to remove the front completely (to do that, I need to remove some boards to get to the ribbon connectors from the board containing the pot) to get at the circuit board and maybe cause another problem. The deck seems ok now and I am able to get it to give me proper meter ranges on all tape types on both 400 and 15 k cps calibrations. It is quiet, well channel isolated and the levels seem correct transferring a tape to another Nak. I am awaiting some calibration tapes from Luis to check things further. I know it is not right, but it seems to work. I would rather get it right but don't want to fool around and mess something else up trying to get the adjustment range centered. Any thoughts on what might be wrong or as to me taking any further action? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 1 18:56:58 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:56:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <002d01c7462a$5f2d8d20$6701a8c0@main> Yes, I remelted the joints to see if that would help but to no avail. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 1 18:58:54 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 12:58:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <003301c7462a$a51c6220$6701a8c0@main> Bob; I cannot reach to do anything with or even to see the two resistors. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Thu Feb 1 19:47:50 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:47:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] www.naks.mine.nu contents moved. Message-ID: Dear group. I have now moved the contents from www.naks.mine.nu to www.ebaman.com Everything that was on naks.mine.nu is now accessible on ebaman. Consequently I have shut down the download page on naks.mine.nu, and asks all people to update their bookmarks etc. Naks.mine.nu will be on-line for a while, but it will eventually shut down completly (when there is no more visitors). The only difference you will notice, apart from new lay-out, is that you now can upload manuals and other stuff, directly, no more problems with ftp or large e-mail attachments. The other changes is that everyone needs to register before downloading/uploading and there is a download limit of currently 5 files a day. The maximum filesize for up-loading is currently some 700 MB. I trust that this, my new services will fullfill everyones needs. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 23:26:15 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:26:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment gauge photo's In-Reply-To: References: <200701311921.l0VJK3v3015850@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702011426i465e4a8aqeb8c7c52ccece9f3@mail.gmail.com> Can someone repost this photo(s) on a site that doesn't require membership? -Tim On 2/1/07, shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: > > Soumi, > > Check here for pix.... photo's of a significant number of the alignment > gauges from my own collection... at least you can see what these 'things' > look like.. > http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/NZ_Nakfan/photos/browse/39a7 > > cheers, > > Martin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Shenefelt Sent: 01 February 2007 16:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot While waiting for another Nak deck to be repaired for me, I bought a used Dragon on eBay (I could not resist it despite my little use of the decks. Sort of at that stage of my life that I want to get some things I always wanted but could not afford). All seemed to work well until I tried to adjust the left channel 400 cps setting on Metal tape. The pot did not bring up the bias signal on one channel above about -35 dB on the deck meter. (All other pots seemed fine though for both type 1 and type 2 tape as well as right channel 400 cps on metal). If I pushed the adjustment knob in a little and wiggled it, it worked, bringing the reading into the desired adjustable range and allowing adjustment, but if I released the knob the reading would again drop out of adjustable range. Sounded like a circuit board cold soldier joint or something on the pot to me. I removed the front cover enough to get inside from the right front edge of the deck. I sprayed the pot with contact cleaner and cycled it a bit. Still no good. I then touched up the soldier joints on that pot. Still no good. Looking at the circuit board side (from the edge since I did not completely disassemble it) the center (wiper?) tap seems closest to the edge and the ends of the pot seemed furthest from the edge. The circuit board photo in the repair manual seemed to show the upper contact closest to the edge was directly connected by the board traces to the wiper terminal( furthest from the edge of the board). I jumped the top of the upper end joint of the pot to the center (wiper?) joint with a wire (which seems what the circuit board does or should be doing, but my image in the manual is not all that great on the board traces between components) and the signal was so high that I needed to adjust the pot the whole way down (counterclockwise) got it to balance at 0 dB on the tape. There are two other resistors in line after that pot. R210 and R211. It could be one of those is open or shorted making the range incorrect. I cannot reach them from the edge without disassembly. Also it could be the pot is not right. I am not sure if turning the pot the whole way counterclockwise from the front decreases the pot resistance to 0 ohms or increases it to the 10,000 ohm value. I hate to have to remove the front completely (to do that, I need to remove some boards to get to the ribbon connectors from the board containing the pot) to get at the circuit board and maybe cause another problem. The deck seems ok now and I am able to get it to give me proper meter ranges on all tape types on both 400 and 15 k cps calibrations. It is quiet, well channel isolated and the levels seem correct transferring a tape to another Nak. I am awaiting some calibration tapes from Luis to check things further. I know it is not right, but it seems to work. I would rather get it right but don't want to fool around and mess something else up trying to get the adjustment range centered. Any thoughts on what might be wrong or as to me taking any further action? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 02:33:40 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:33:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I am looking for a CR4A ?- anybody is interested to sell? Message-ID: <489415.23414.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi I am looking for a CR4A or BX300 in pristine condition ? Anybody is interested in selling please contact me off list. thanks Kannan --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Feb 2 02:35:15 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:35:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment gauge photo's In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110702011426i465e4a8aqeb8c7c52ccece9f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c7466a$6fbec740$3201000a@gabrenas> Amen! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment gauge photo's Can someone repost this photo(s) on a site that doesn't require membership? -Tim On 2/1/07, shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: Soumi, Check here for pix.... photo's of a significant number of the alignment gauges from my own collection... at least you can see what these 'things' look like.. http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/NZ_Nakfan/photos/browse/39a7 cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 2 06:05:26 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:05:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: Dear Bill! Really I hate to write my advise for the third time...but exceptional I will do it! First NEVER forgot that all Nak deck are vintage units, per example my Dragon was made during 1984, ALWAYS...ALWAYS...when some of you get a unit from Audiogon/eBay & others places...for me near 100% that was "Sitting/Resting" unused for long time (If the seller NEVER...but NEVER..., try to "FIX???" by himself something wrong inside? I really hope that yours Bill it's like mine an a "Factory" sealed unit!) ...your prime issue is to MOVE FORWARD & BACK... all the potentiometers (A lot on a Dragon) at least 20 TIMES...for make some "Self Cleaning" procedure...that is WHAT I make to mine that was boxed & unused for 20 years...before I plug the mains power I also spray some "Servisol" (A UK product available here in Israel) pots cleaning with lubricant form OUTSIDE I only take away the tinny black knobs & spray trough the pot...NOT an a PERFECT solution...but better that nothing..."WORKS". Regarding your question How to find the "MIDDLE" position of any potentiometer is relative easy per example (It's how I do it!)...move the knob toughly/fully to the left put your bigger finger so...,where the knob stops will be 7.00 o'clock time, grasping very well the knob BOW move it till the same biggest finger will show you 12.00 o'clock time (Virtually of course!)...do the same operation to all the others knobs, at normal/chrome & metal potentiometers...AFTER...you finish the "Self Cleaning" process issue...as happen with my "Gifted" Dragon NO more calibration issue failure. I hope very heart fully my dear Bill, that my advise if do it as I described, sorry if my mother language is NOT English..., whatever I'm 100% sure that you will cope well my explanation. Please post me the results? Peace, Alex! Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:12:06 -0500From: william.shenefelt at verizon.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot While waiting for another Nak deck to be repaired for me, I bought a used Dragon on eBay (I could not resist it despite my little use of the decks. Sort of at that stage of my life that I want to get some things I always wanted but could not afford). All seemed to work well until I tried to adjust the left channel 400 cps setting on Metal tape. The pot did not bring up the bias signal on one channel above about -35 dB on the deck meter. (All other pots seemed fine though for both type 1 and type 2 tape as well as right channel 400 cps on metal). If I pushed the adjustment knob in a little and wiggled it, it worked, bringing the reading into the desired adjustable range and allowing adjustment, but if I released the knob the reading would again drop out of adjustable range. Sounded like a circuit board cold soldier joint or something on the pot to me. I removed the front cover enough to get inside from the right front edge of the deck. I sprayed the pot with contact cleaner and cycled it a bit. Still no good. I then touched up the soldier joints on that pot. Still no good. Looking at the circuit board side (from the edge since I did not completely disassemble it) the center (wiper?) tap seems closest to the edge and the ends of the pot seemed furthest from the edge. The circuit board photo in the repair manual seemed to show the upper contact closest to the edge was directly connected by the board traces to the wiper terminal( furthest from the edge of the board). I jumped the top of the upper end joint of the pot to the center (wiper?) joint with a wire (which seems what the circuit board does or should be doing, but my image in the manual is not all that great on the board traces between components) and the signal was so high that I needed to adjust the pot the whole way down (counterclockwise) got it to balance at 0 dB on the tape. There are two other resistors in line after that pot. R210 and R211. It could be one of those is open or shorted making the range incorrect. I cannot reach them from the edge without disassembly. Also it could be the pot is not right. I am not sure if turning the pot the whole way counterclockwise from the front decreases the pot resistance to 0 ohms or increases it to the 10,000 ohm value. I hate to have to remove the front completely (to do that, I need to remove some boards to get to the ribbon connectors from the board containing the pot) to get at the circuit board and maybe cause another problem. The deck seems ok now and I am able to get it to give me proper meter ranges on all tape types on both 400 and 15 k cps calibrations. It is quiet, well channel isolated and the levels seem correct transferring a tape to another Nak. I am awaiting some calibration tapes from Luis to check things further. I know it is not right, but it seems to work. I would rather get it right but don't want to fool around and mess something else up trying to get the adjustment range centered. Any thoughts on what might be wrong or as to me taking any further action? Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ylombard at voila.fr Fri Feb 2 10:12:18 2007 From: ylombard at voila.fr (ylombard at voila.fr) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:12:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Name That Tune! Message-ID: <16721844.238771170407538278.JavaMail.www@wwinf4101> Roland, why don't you try this site. http://www.midomi.com/ May be you can find your answers. Yves > Message du 01/02/07 à 18h40 > De : "Roland Alford 2" > A : "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Copie à : > Objet : [naktalk] Name That Tune! > > I am restoring some old tapes of radio programs from the 70's by replacing > all the music with the original recordings. Problem is, there are three > songs I still can't identify. > > The first two songs I have a recording of. The third, I only know the tune > and I whistled a couple of bars. (Okay I know it's corny but it was that or > humming it!) Can anyone identify any of these three songs or the artists > who performed them? > > All three are from the mid 1970's. Song 1 is instrumental, Song 2 is a > vocal and Song 3 is a country song that was a pop crossover around 1977. Any > help is greatly appreciated. > > > Mystery Song 1.wma > > Mystery Song 2.wma > Mystery Song 3.wma > > If the links do not work you can also find them here: > > http://www3.telus.net/Rolands_Webspace/Mystery%20Music/ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 18:21:21 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:21:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] I am looking for a CR4A ?- anybody is interested to sell? In-Reply-To: <489415.23414.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070202112121.0085bb00@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1042 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 18:41:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:41:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60702011652h58d57dc2w89d4c1e8eaf1459b@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070202114152.0085b5b0@earthlink.net> The pitch control is broken, a very common problem. I have not seen an equivalent replacement part, as this control had a center tap to return speed to standard during record. The common repair is to leave the pot installed, but disconnect it and add a VR to the small pcb, and readjust the speed. You will loose the pitch option. I believe the hum is just the motor vibrating. It is running as fast as it can! tom brucker At 06:52 PM 2/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Greetings, I have a MR-2 that seems to run at about 2x speed in play mode and produces a mechanical hum which is transmitted thruout the entire unit. Record speed seems to be OK with no problems. First time I've encountered this oddity. Anybody, know the fix for this? Thanks, Samuel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 18:44:44 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:44:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <000d01c7461b$ba796e10$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070202114444.0085b270@earthlink.net> Bill, I wonder if shipping pushed the knob in, cracking the control's carbon element? You would have to desolder the control and inspect it with a magnifying glass. If it is bad, and ESL will not supply a replacement, then repair might be possible using conductive silver paint . tom brucker At 11:12 AM 2/1/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> While waiting for another Nak deck to be repaired for me, I bought a used Dragon on eBay (I could not resist it despite my little use of the decks. Sort of at that stage of my life that I want to get some things I always wanted but could not afford). All seemed to work well until I tried to adjust the left channel 400 cps setting on Metal tape. The pot did not bring up the bias signal on one channel above about -35 dB on the deck meter. (All other pots seemed fine though for both type 1 and type 2 tape as well as right channel 400 cps on metal). If I pushed the adjustment knob in a little and wiggled it, it worked, bringing the reading into the desired adjustable range and allowing adjustment, but if I released the knob the reading would again drop out of adjustable range. Sounded like a circuit board cold soldier joint or something on the pot to me. I removed the front cover enough to get inside from the right front edge of the deck. I sprayed the pot with contact cleaner and cycled it a bit. Still no good. I then touched up the soldier joints on that pot. Still no good. Looking at the circuit board side (from the edge since I did not completely disassemble it) the center (wiper?) tap seems closest to the edge and the ends of the pot seemed furthest from the edge. The circuit board photo in the repair manual seemed to show the upper contact closest to the edge was directly connected by the board traces to the wiper terminal( furthest from the edge of the board). I jumped the top of the upper end joint of the pot to the center (wiper?) joint with a wire (which seems what the circuit board does or should be doing, but my image in the manual is not all that great on the board traces between components) and the signal was so high that I needed to adjust the pot the whole way down (counterclockwise) got it to balance at 0 dB on the tape. There are two other resistors in line after that pot. R210 and R211. It could be one of those is open or shorted making the range incorrect. I cannot reach them from the edge without disassembly. Also it could be the pot is not right. I am not sure if turning the pot the whole way counterclockwise from the front decreases the pot resistance to 0 ohms or increases it to the 10,000 ohm value. I hate to have to remove the front completely (to do that, I need to remove some boards to get to the ribbon connectors from the board containing the pot) to get at the circuit board and maybe cause another problem. The deck seems ok now and I am able to get it to give me proper meter ranges on all tape types on both 400 and 15 k cps calibrations. It is quiet, well channel isolated and the levels seem correct transferring a tape to another Nak. I am awaiting some calibration tapes from Luis to check things further. I know it is not right, but it seems to work. I would rather get it right but don't want to fool around and mess something else up trying to get the adjustment range centered. Any thoughts on what might be wrong or as to me taking any further action? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Feb 3 04:34:12 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:04:12 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment Jigs References: <200702021102.l12B1WPP016820@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001a01c74744$2e4c0270$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> I saw the pics from the Yahoo groups site and i think the R/P Head stroke gauge is the easiest jig to start with. If we could get a clearer (brighter and bigger) pic and some dimensions maybe we could get going. Also, is it possible to copy those pics and post them on another site so others can see unrestricted ? What are your thoughts ? Best Soumi -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Skorick Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment gauge photo's Can someone repost this photo(s) on a site that doesn't require membership? -Tim On 2/1/07, shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: Soumi, Check here for pix.... photo's of a significant number of the alignment gauges from my own collection... at least you can see what these 'things' look like.. http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/NZ_Nakfan/photos/browse/39a7 cheers, From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Feb 3 13:30:41 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:30:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <00ab01c7478f$1eb43350$6701a8c0@main> I did some measurements on VR103, 22K metal tape left channel EQ adjustment pot (Control is EQ 400 cps not bias) that seemed to malfunction. It is open pretty much and the board lead from the wiper terminal is also open. I soldered a jumper from the wiper to the pin 2 out on FC-41and two 5k resistors, one from each end of the pot to the wiper jumper. This should simulate a centered setting on the pot, but with 10k not 22k as it should be. I'm not sure if that is ok or if I need to replace the 5 k with 10 k resistors. I had thought the pot to be 10 k not 22 k when I did it. The range is very limited since most of the pot is dead, but I now can get about a 4 dB adjustment range centered on 0dB. Not sure if I can get a replacement pot or not but at least all is adjustable for the tapes I use now. Even if I can get a new 22K pot it will be difficult to replace the defective pot without removing a lot of stuff to get to the board surface from the face rather than the edge. Anyone have a 22K pot, part number 0B07277A? What is a "semi-fixed" variable resistor? Is this a normal 3 pole miniature variable resistor or does semi-fixed imply something else? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 3 16:27:32 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:27:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7478f$1eb43350$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <33334.86829.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI eventhough you can use any Potentiometer meeting 22K linear Ohm - 1/2 watt spec, this item has to be exactly the same for fixing Bias adjusting plastic holder and the knob - cosmetic problem for a Dragon. If you use the same item - with fixed internal resistor by passing the actual item - You cannot do manual calibraion? This pot is an old item - not easily can be procured through regular electronic componenet stores. Only another Doner Dragon can do that job! Does anybody has another solution? kannan Bill Shenefelt wrote: I did some measurements on VR103, 22K metal tape left channel EQ adjustment pot (Control is EQ 400 cps not bias) that seemed to malfunction. It is open pretty much and the board lead from the wiper terminal is also open. I soldered a jumper from the wiper to the pin 2 out on FC-41and two 5k resistors, one from each end of the pot to the wiper jumper. This should simulate a centered setting on the pot, but with 10k not 22k as it should be. I'm not sure if that is ok or if I need to replace the 5 k with 10 k resistors. I had thought the pot to be 10 k not 22 k when I did it. The range is very limited since most of the pot is dead, but I now can get about a 4 dB adjustment range centered on 0dB. Not sure if I can get a replacement pot or not but at least all is adjustable for the tapes I use now. Even if I can get a new 22K pot it will be difficult to replace the defective pot without removing a lot of stuff to get to the board surface from the face rather than the edge. Anyone have a 22K pot, part number 0B07277A? What is a "semi-fixed" variable resistor? Is this a normal 3 pole miniature variable resistor or does semi-fixed imply something else? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 3 17:16:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:16:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <33334.86829.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <33334.86829.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C4B560.3040803@peromarta.org> If you use more metal / sx tapes, try replacing with one of the ex setting. I myself don't use ex at all. I understand you have tried turning the pot a few times in case it is a stain problem. rgds, LP kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > HI > eventhough you can use any Potentiometer meeting 22K linear Ohm - 1/2 > watt spec, this item has to be exactly the same for fixing Bias > adjusting plastic holder and the knob - cosmetic problem for a Dragon. > If you use the same item - with fixed internal resistor by passing the > actual item - You cannot do manual calibraion? > > This pot is an old item - not easily can be procured through regular > electronic componenet stores. Only another Doner Dragon can do that job! > > Does anybody has another solution? > kannan > > */Bill Shenefelt /* wrote: > > I did some measurements on VR103, 22K metal tape left channel EQ > adjustment pot (Control is EQ 400 cps not bias) that seemed to > malfunction. It is open pretty much and the board lead from the > wiper terminal is also open. I soldered a jumper from the wiper to > the pin 2 out on FC-41and two 5k resistors, one from each end of > the pot to the wiper jumper. This should simulate a centered > setting on the pot, but with 10k not 22k as it should be. I'm not > sure if that is ok or if I need to replace the 5 k with 10 k > resistors. I had thought the pot to be 10 k not 22 k when I did > it. The range is very limited since most of the pot is dead, but I > now can get about a 4 dB adjustment range centered on 0dB. Not sure > if I can get a replacement pot or not but at least all is adjustable > for the tapes I use now. Even if I can get a new 22K pot it will > be difficult to replace the defective pot without removing a lot of > stuff to get to the board surface from the face rather than the edge. > Anyone have a 22K pot, part number 0B07277A? What is a > *"semi-fixed"* variable resistor? Is this a normal 3 pole miniature > variable resistor or does semi-fixed imply something else? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 3 17:41:30 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:41:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <33334.86829.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <33334.86829.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C4BB3A.2090508@rcn.com> I am not familiar with the Dragon, but in the past have had occasion to need a pot for a specific mechanical arrangement. I grafted a new pot onto the front mechanical part of the old pot. This worked for many years (AFAIK, it's still working today :-) ). I wonder if it's possible to do in the Dragon? -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > HI > eventhough you can use any Potentiometer meeting 22K linear Ohm - 1/2 > watt spec, this item has to be exactly the same for fixing Bias > adjusting plastic holder and the knob - cosmetic problem for a Dragon. > If you use the same item - with fixed internal resistor by passing the > actual item - You cannot do manual calibraion? > > This pot is an old item - not easily can be procured through regular > electronic componenet stores. Only another Doner Dragon can do that job! > > Does anybody has another solution? > kannan > > */Bill Shenefelt /* wrote: > > I did some measurements on VR103, 22K metal tape left channel EQ > adjustment pot (Control is EQ 400 cps not bias) that seemed to > malfunction. It is open pretty much and the board lead from the > wiper terminal is also open. I soldered a jumper from the wiper to > the pin 2 out on FC-41and two 5k resistors, one from each end of > the pot to the wiper jumper. This should simulate a centered > setting on the pot, but with 10k not 22k as it should be. I'm not > sure if that is ok or if I need to replace the 5 k with 10 k > resistors. I had thought the pot to be 10 k not 22 k when I did > it. The range is very limited since most of the pot is dead, but I > now can get about a 4 dB adjustment range centered on 0dB. Not sure > if I can get a replacement pot or not but at least all is adjustable > for the tapes I use now. Even if I can get a new 22K pot it will > be difficult to replace the defective pot without removing a lot of > stuff to get to the board surface from the face rather than the edge. > Anyone have a 22K pot, part number 0B07277A? What is a > *"semi-fixed"* variable resistor? Is this a normal 3 pole miniature > variable resistor or does semi-fixed imply something else? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Feb 3 18:02:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:02:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Somebody else may have already addressed this, but this info isn't correct. I own a CR-3A and a BX-300, and the belt for the CR-3A is considerably longer than the one for the BX-300. The BX-300 belt seems to be the same as the classic belt used for the 480, 680, etc., although it has a different part number in the manual - which could be a typo, as the two parts numbers are very similar. The original CR-3A belt is available on Ebay from 2 guys in Italy, who have access to a stash of them at a reasonable price. One thing that I have found about the BX-300 is that it's direct-drive system allows the use of a generic belt like the PRB FRM9.2 without the wow-and-flutter problems that the same generic belt may cause on the older decks. It's dual capstan Sankyo system is much more forgiving than the original transport, and gives lower wow-and-flutter results to boot. One more reason why the BX-300 is one of the best decks ever made. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Feb 3 19:28:06 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:28:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Now that Quantegy stopped making tape, which is best tape and most reliable source? Message-ID: I was planning on having my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape when I sent it to Mr. Brucker, but I received a notice last week that they will no longer be making tape (again). I would like to know what you guys like best for bias II tape. I will use this type tape for most recording. Thanks, Rick Fine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Feb 3 20:56:13 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:56:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <007301c747cd$5c4f7f10$6701a8c0@main> Right now I can adjust the metal position EQ(400cps) and bias 15K signals to 0 dB on recording and they hold true on playback(the 15k is of course at -20 on playback). I just do not know if this affects anything else since I do not have an actual 22K pot, just the remnants of it and two 5 K resistors to the center tap. Does it affect anything? Assuming instead, as Luis recommends, I used the EX position and adjusted it to the correct 0 dB position on the meters for both the 400 and 15K signals during calibration, would it record correctly and playback correctly using metal tape in the EX position? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 3 22:38:46 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:38:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <007301c747cd$5c4f7f10$6701a8c0@main> References: <007301c747cd$5c4f7f10$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45C500E6.3030306@peromarta.org> Well, what I meant is physically exchanging the pots, not using EX for metal settings. Bias current on metals is quite higher than on ex tapes, I doubt it can be adjusted that way. best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Right now I can adjust the metal position EQ(400cps) and bias 15K > signals to 0 dB on recording and they hold true on playback(the 15k is > of course at -20 on playback). I just do not know if this affects > anything else since I do not have an actual 22K pot, just the remnants > of it and two 5 K resistors to the center tap. Does it affect anything? > Assuming instead, as Luis recommends, I used the EX position and > adjusted it to the correct 0 dB position on the meters for both the 400 > and 15K signals during calibration, would it record correctly and > playback correctly using metal tape in the EX position? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Feb 3 22:54:38 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:54:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070201083600.00852a40@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070201083600.00852a40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45C5049E.3060706@xs4all.nl> I can place pictures on the website, just send them to me. Wouter Hi Tech wrote: > I have to get scanning and camera capability here at work. Actually, I > could take these home and photograph them there. Where would I send the > photos ? > > tom > > At 12:49 AM 2/1/07 +0530, you wrote: > >> Hi Tom >> It would be good to see the pics of the jigs laid out on a table if possible >> ... could you arrange that ? >> >> Best Regards >> Soumi >> From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Feb 3 23:02:20 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:02:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards Message-ID: <45C5066C.1010803@cox.net> Hello, all! This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very little activity on Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both Audiotalk and Naktalk; if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the Audiotalk side. I could use some advice on a sound card issue, advice on either: A. making my existing card work or B. choosing a new sound card A. I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX since I bought it new about 5 years ago. It's been used with a home-assembled PC clone running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought a new computer and am in the process of setting it up and loading all my stuff in it. The new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed the Creative hardware in the new computer, installed the downloaded XP driver for it, and the basic sound card functions work. However, none of the old software that I install from the original CD (Play Center, EAX, WAV editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I don't think they like XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from the Creative site, but not full versions, so the old software has to be installed and working before the updates can be installed. No matter which way I go about it, I can't get the updated software to work in the machine. Without the software, the external connection box which comes with the sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an upgrade to Vista comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the mail, when it arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like it and if my installed programs continue working. So, for the existing sound card, I need help making all of its functions work. Any help is appreciated. However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new sound card. B. Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I like having the external patch bay like the old sound card had, it allows me to plug line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very conveniently without crawling around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It must work with XP Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good A/D functions. I have done some preliminary googling for sound card reviews but am having a very hard time finding any useful information out there. Advice from someone with real world experience would be appreciated. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 3 23:15:33 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot In-Reply-To: <007301c747cd$5c4f7f10$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <980232.99445.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Referring to Dragon service manual The EX position uses 50 K pot not 22K Metal postion in Dragon uses 10 K - pot. where as Type II tapes use 22K. Type 2 and Normal can be exchanged not Metal. Metal requires much higher bias and low pot. Kannan Bill Shenefelt wrote: Right now I can adjust the metal position EQ(400cps) and bias 15K signals to 0 dB on recording and they hold true on playback(the 15k is of course at -20 on playback). I just do not know if this affects anything else since I do not have an actual 22K pot, just the remnants of it and two 5 K resistors to the center tap. Does it affect anything? Assuming instead, as Luis recommends, I used the EX position and adjusted it to the correct 0 dB position on the meters for both the 400 and 15K signals during calibration, would it record correctly and playback correctly using metal tape in the EX position? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 00:20:51 2007 From: lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com (Evan Lowery) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:20:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SA-X tapes Message-ID: <929773.37739.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do any of you know where there is a good source for new (sealed) SA-X and MA/ MA-X? besides eBay (or manybe eBay if its cheap? 60 minute lengths would be best. Thanks -Evan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 4 01:09:06 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:09:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] sound cards In-Reply-To: <45C5066C.1010803@cox.net> Message-ID: <685209.95438.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Platinum EX works with Windows XP SP2 Pro, unless you got XP 64-bit, I don't think that a lot of sound cards work with it. As for a new soundcard, the Onkyo soundcard could be something to look at, no patchbay, but great playback(I don't know for recording). The next best cards are the Auzentech X-Meridian and Razer AC-1(About the same thing, different ADC tho), then the highest-end X-Fi. --- Tim Barrett a écrit : > Hello, all! > > This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very > little activity on > Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both > Audiotalk and Naktalk; > if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the > Audiotalk side. > > I could use some advice on a sound card issue, > advice on either: > A. making my existing card work > or > B. choosing a new sound card > > A. > I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX > since I bought it new > about 5 years ago. It's been used with a > home-assembled PC clone > running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought > a new computer and > am in the process of setting it up and loading all > my stuff in it. The > new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed > the Creative > hardware in the new computer, installed the > downloaded XP driver for it, > and the basic sound card functions work. However, > none of the old > software that I install from the original CD (Play > Center, EAX, WAV > editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I > don't think they like > XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from > the Creative site, > but not full versions, so the old software has to be > installed and > working before the updates can be installed. No > matter which way I go > about it, I can't get the updated software to work > in the machine. > Without the software, the external connection box > which comes with the > sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an > upgrade to Vista > comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the > mail, when it > arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like > it and if my > installed programs continue working. > > So, for the existing sound card, I need help making > all of its functions > work. Any help is appreciated. > > However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new > sound card. > > B. > Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I > like having the > external patch bay like the old sound card had, it > allows me to plug > line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very > conveniently without crawling > around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It > must work with XP > Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good > A/D functions. I > have done some preliminary googling for sound card > reviews but am having > a very hard time finding any useful information out > there. Advice from > someone with real world experience would be > appreciated. > > Tim > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Feb 4 01:57:36 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:57:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SA-X tapes Message-ID: <7385702.1170550656437.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Here ya go! The main website address is www.tape.com http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/prodinfo/tdk/tdk_cassettes.html?E+cassette ---- Evan Lowery wrote: > Do any of you know where there is a good source for > new (sealed) SA-X and MA/ MA-X? besides eBay (or > manybe eBay if its cheap? 60 minute lengths would be > best. > > Thanks > > -Evan > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Feb 4 04:08:24 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:08:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards In-Reply-To: <685209.95438.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <685209.95438.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> I think that in order to make this particular sound card work in this particular computer, I will have to get a fresh CD of drivers and software for XP. On browsing my options, though, the E-MU 1616M is beginning to look very attractive (it even has a phono input!!!) and perhaps I'll move on from the Audigy. There's another computer in the house which could benefit from it. But before I plunk down any more $$, I'll survey the field of available cards. I had never heard of the ones you mention. Where does one learn about these things other than from the advice of others? Thanks everyone, for your help. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: > The Platinum EX works with Windows XP SP2 Pro, unless > you got XP 64-bit, I don't think that a lot of sound > cards work with it. > > As for a new soundcard, the Onkyo soundcard could be > something to look at, no patchbay, but great > playback(I don't know for recording). The next best > cards are the Auzentech X-Meridian and Razer > AC-1(About the same thing, different ADC tho), then > the highest-end X-Fi. > > --- Tim Barrett a écrit : > > >> Hello, all! >> >> This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very >> little activity on >> Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both >> Audiotalk and Naktalk; >> if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the >> Audiotalk side. >> >> I could use some advice on a sound card issue, >> advice on either: >> A. making my existing card work >> or >> B. choosing a new sound card >> >> A. >> I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX >> since I bought it new >> about 5 years ago. It's been used with a >> home-assembled PC clone >> running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought >> a new computer and >> am in the process of setting it up and loading all >> my stuff in it. The >> new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed >> the Creative >> hardware in the new computer, installed the >> downloaded XP driver for it, >> and the basic sound card functions work. However, >> none of the old >> software that I install from the original CD (Play >> Center, EAX, WAV >> editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I >> don't think they like >> XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from >> the Creative site, >> but not full versions, so the old software has to be >> installed and >> working before the updates can be installed. No >> matter which way I go >> about it, I can't get the updated software to work >> in the machine. >> Without the software, the external connection box >> which comes with the >> sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an >> upgrade to Vista >> comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the >> mail, when it >> arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like >> it and if my >> installed programs continue working. >> >> So, for the existing sound card, I need help making >> all of its functions >> work. Any help is appreciated. >> >> However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new >> sound card. >> >> B. >> Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I >> like having the >> external patch bay like the old sound card had, it >> allows me to plug >> line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very >> conveniently without crawling >> around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It >> must work with XP >> Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good >> A/D functions. I >> have done some preliminary googling for sound card >> reviews but am having >> a very hard time finding any useful information out >> there. Advice from >> someone with real world experience would be >> appreciated. >> >> Tim >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Feb 4 04:49:16 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:49:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards In-Reply-To: <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> Message-ID: <002001c7480f$7191d340$3201000a@gabrenas> I currently use an EMU-1820M. Works great! Comes with a descent software package as well. Discwelder is also a nice program to have if you plan on burning some DVD-Audio. Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 8:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RE : [naktalk] sound cards I think that in order to make this particular sound card work in this particular computer, I will have to get a fresh CD of drivers and software for XP.   On browsing my options, though, the E-MU 1616M is beginning to look very attractive (it even has a phono input!!!) and perhaps I'll move on from the Audigy.  There's another computer in the house which could benefit from it.  But before I plunk down any more $$, I'll survey the field of available cards.  I had never heard of the ones you mention.  Where does one learn about these things other than from the advice of others? Thanks everyone, for your help. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: The Platinum EX works with Windows XP SP2 Pro, unless you got XP 64-bit, I don't think that a lot of sound cards work with it. As for a new soundcard, the Onkyo soundcard could be something to look at, no patchbay, but great playback(I don't know for recording). The next best cards are the Auzentech X-Meridian and Razer AC-1(About the same thing, different ADC tho), then the highest-end X-Fi. --- Tim Barrett a écrit : Hello, all! This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very little activity on Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both Audiotalk and Naktalk; if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the Audiotalk side. I could use some advice on a sound card issue, advice on either: A. making my existing card work or B. choosing a new sound card A. I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX since I bought it new about 5 years ago. It's been used with a home-assembled PC clone running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought a new computer and am in the process of setting it up and loading all my stuff in it. The new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed the Creative hardware in the new computer, installed the downloaded XP driver for it, and the basic sound card functions work. However, none of the old software that I install from the original CD (Play Center, EAX, WAV editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I don't think they like XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from the Creative site, but not full versions, so the old software has to be installed and working before the updates can be installed. No matter which way I go about it, I can't get the updated software to work in the machine. Without the software, the external connection box which comes with the sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an upgrade to Vista comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the mail, when it arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like it and if my installed programs continue working. So, for the existing sound card, I need help making all of its functions work. Any help is appreciated. However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new sound card. B. Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I like having the external patch bay like the old sound card had, it allows me to plug line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very conveniently without crawling around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It must work with XP Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good A/D functions. I have done some preliminary googling for sound card reviews but am having a very hard time finding any useful information out there. Advice from someone with real world experience would be appreciated. Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Feb 4 06:17:03 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:17:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards In-Reply-To: <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> References: <685209.95438.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> Message-ID: <45C56C4F.9050206@yahoo.ca> Tim Barrett a écrit : > I think that in order to make this particular sound card work in this > particular computer, I will have to get a fresh CD of drivers and > software for XP. Probably, I wonder if someone has it for download. If it's the same disc as the Audigy 2 ZS/Platinum/Platinum Pro, I have 3 : One came with my Audigy 2 ZS, I then bought the Platinum internal bay at a surplus store, coming with two times the bundle software ;-) > On browsing my options, though, the E-MU 1616M is beginning to look > very attractive (it even has a phono input!!!) and perhaps I'll move > on from the Audigy. There's another computer in the house which could > benefit from it. But before I plunk down any more $$, I'll survey the > field of available cards. I had never heard of the ones you mention. > Where does one learn about these things other than from the advice of > others? Computer hardware news websites, hardware forums, etc. Yes, it's pretty hard to know about every sound cards, there are lots of manufacturers. Auzentech, Bluegears, EMU/Creative, M-Audio, Razer, Onkyo, GadgetLabs(Nice quality decent priced studio cards(8in/out 24/48 and 4in/out 24/96), but the company doesn't exist anymore - they released the driver source and now XP drivers are built by the community), DiamondMM, all make sound cards. Only Creative build it's own chipset, most others use C-Media chips(I2S ins and outs, 24/192 spdif, live DD and DTS encoding, decoding) what changes the most is the card layout. The EMUs are supposed to be good. > > Thanks everyone, for your help. > > Tim > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> The Platinum EX works with Windows XP SP2 Pro, unless >> you got XP 64-bit, I don't think that a lot of sound >> cards work with it. >> >> As for a new soundcard, the Onkyo soundcard could be >> something to look at, no patchbay, but great >> playback(I don't know for recording). The next best >> cards are the Auzentech X-Meridian and Razer >> AC-1(About the same thing, different ADC tho), then >> the highest-end X-Fi. >> >> --- Tim Barrett a écrit : >> >> >>> Hello, all! >>> >>> This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very >>> little activity on >>> Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both >>> Audiotalk and Naktalk; >>> if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the >>> Audiotalk side. >>> >>> I could use some advice on a sound card issue, >>> advice on either: >>> A. making my existing card work >>> or >>> B. choosing a new sound card >>> >>> A. >>> I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX >>> since I bought it new >>> about 5 years ago. It's been used with a >>> home-assembled PC clone >>> running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought >>> a new computer and >>> am in the process of setting it up and loading all >>> my stuff in it. The >>> new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed >>> the Creative >>> hardware in the new computer, installed the >>> downloaded XP driver for it, >>> and the basic sound card functions work. However, >>> none of the old >>> software that I install from the original CD (Play >>> Center, EAX, WAV >>> editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I >>> don't think they like >>> XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from >>> the Creative site, >>> but not full versions, so the old software has to be >>> installed and >>> working before the updates can be installed. No >>> matter which way I go >>> about it, I can't get the updated software to work >>> in the machine. >>> Without the software, the external connection box >>> which comes with the >>> sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an >>> upgrade to Vista >>> comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the >>> mail, when it >>> arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like >>> it and if my >>> installed programs continue working. >>> >>> So, for the existing sound card, I need help making >>> all of its functions >>> work. Any help is appreciated. >>> >>> However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new >>> sound card. >>> >>> B. >>> Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I >>> like having the >>> external patch bay like the old sound card had, it >>> allows me to plug >>> line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very >>> conveniently without crawling >>> around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It >>> must work with XP >>> Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good >>> A/D functions. I >>> have done some preliminary googling for sound card >>> reviews but am having >>> a very hard time finding any useful information out >>> there. Advice from >>> someone with real world experience would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Tim From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Feb 4 06:20:29 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:20:29 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 6 Belts In-Reply-To: <200702040355.l143tG1H010994@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Here is one specific belt set that is cheaper. Any other sources around? David On 4/2/07 1:55 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/UK-NAKAMICHI-CR-3-CLASSIC-SerVice-Kit_W0QQitemZ200073 306791QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:18:05 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: [naktalk] .Belts > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone bought belts from this guy and are they any good? > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAKAMICHI-2-3-4-5-6-BX-LX-MR-RX-ZX-Series-BELT-KIT_W0Q > QitemZ140080599430QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI > tem > > Gra' > -------------- next part -------------- > From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Feb 4 06:45:22 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:45:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards References: <685209.95438.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> <45C56C4F.9050206@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <00ce01c7481f$a9316080$9e274446@a72400shuttle> A lot of tapers use this digital audio card http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile2496-main.html From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Feb 4 08:07:31 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:07:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Now that Quantegy stopped making tape, which is best tape and most reliable source? Message-ID: Hello Rick! My advise is the same as I'm using today! here in Israel, where I live. I found near a year ago 2 boxes of 10 cassettes 90 minutes Fuji Z-ll, I brought those 2 boxes & this is my today Type ll bias tape. So bottom line, find any good tape stock buy them & use them as your recording tape cassette. Doesn't matter for which brand was calibrated your specific Dragon unit, I'm 100% sure that was for TDK Sa or SA-X type, sorry but today it's almost impossible to obtain "REGULARLY"...this tape made during the 80ties-middle-90ties!. Good Luck & enjoy your lovely unit! Alex! From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:28:06 -0800Subject: [naktalk] Now that Quantegy stopped making tape, which is best tape and most reliable source? I was planning on having my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape when I sent it to Mr. Brucker, but I received a notice last week that they will no longer be making tape (again). I would like to know what you guys like best for bias II tape. I will use this type tape for most recording. Thanks, Rick Fine _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Feb 4 08:31:08 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:31:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SA-X tapes Message-ID: Hi Evan, The types you mention are not made anymore - all the TDK Metals not for some years now, and SA-X as of last year where they were assembled at TDK's plant in Thailand. Remaining stock of these disocntinued lines might be found here and there. Try: http://www.tapecenter.com/tdksaxaudtap.html http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+cassette http://www.protape.co.uk/epages/protape.storefront http://www.totalmedia.com/ I have not checked the above links for a while. To be successful, you will need speed, cunning and guile, not to mention, money!! Metal, outside auctions is gone - unless, as they say, you know a guy who knows a guy... To the auctions, cheap is not a word that metal sellers understand. SA-X stocks have diminished far faster than XLII-S, for various reasons. Best of luck - Marc >>> lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com 2/4/2007 1:20:51 AM >>> Do any of you know where there is a good source for new (sealed) SA-X and MA/ MA-X? besides eBay (or manybe eBay if its cheap? 60 minute lengths would be best. Thanks -Evan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 09:41:15 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:41:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] sound cards In-Reply-To: <45C54E28.3000002@cox.net> Message-ID: <729518.23193.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the E-MU 0404 and love it. I got it mainly for the digital ins and outs (for transfering to and from DAT), but, the analog ins and outs have really impressed me. Before this card I had the Hercules Game Theatre sound card with external box for all the I/O. I liked all the features, but, it really wasn't executed very well (mediocre driver and analog sound quality). I guess the word "Game" in the name should have given me a clue as to it's target audience. The 0404 is the best sound card I've ever used. I'd love to get the 1212 or the 1616, but, I really don't need the multi channel capability plus I got my card for a song. Well almost, I got it used off eBay for around $40 a couple years ago (about 1/2 the going used price at the time). The seller had the absolute worst description and picture. I only knew it was a 0404 because I matched up the black blobs in the picture with pictures of 0404 cards in other auctions. Excellent quality for the money. BTW - analog in is sampled at 24-bit, 96kHz max. SJ Tim Barrett wrote: I think that in order to make this particular sound card work in this particular computer, I will have to get a fresh CD of drivers and software for XP. On browsing my options, though, the E-MU 1616M is beginning to look very attractive (it even has a phono input!!!) and perhaps I'll move on from the Audigy. There's another computer in the house which could benefit from it. But before I plunk down any more $$, I'll survey the field of available cards. I had never heard of the ones you mention. Where does one learn about these things other than from the advice of others? Thanks everyone, for your help. Tim Antoine Deschênes wrote: The Platinum EX works with Windows XP SP2 Pro, unless you got XP 64-bit, I don't think that a lot of sound cards work with it. As for a new soundcard, the Onkyo soundcard could be something to look at, no patchbay, but great playback(I don't know for recording). The next best cards are the Auzentech X-Meridian and Razer AC-1(About the same thing, different ADC tho), then the highest-end X-Fi. --- Tim Barrett a écrit : Hello, all! This is an issue for Audiotalk though there is very little activity on Audiotalk these days. I have sent this to both Audiotalk and Naktalk; if anyone cares to respond we should keep it on the Audiotalk side. I could use some advice on a sound card issue, advice on either: A. making my existing card work or B. choosing a new sound card A. I have been using a Creative Audigy Platinum EX since I bought it new about 5 years ago. It's been used with a home-assembled PC clone running Win98 and then Win2000P. I recently bought a new computer and am in the process of setting it up and loading all my stuff in it. The new computer is an XP pro machine. I have installed the Creative hardware in the new computer, installed the downloaded XP driver for it, and the basic sound card functions work. However, none of the old software that I install from the original CD (Play Center, EAX, WAV editing, burning) will work on the new machine. I don't think they like XP. Updates for the software can be downloaded from the Creative site, but not full versions, so the old software has to be installed and working before the updates can be installed. No matter which way I go about it, I can't get the updated software to work in the machine. Without the software, the external connection box which comes with the sound card is useless. To compound this problem, an upgrade to Vista comes with the machine. The Vista upgrade is in the mail, when it arrives I will probably try it out to see if I like it and if my installed programs continue working. So, for the existing sound card, I need help making all of its functions work. Any help is appreciated. However, I suspect I'll have to end up getting a new sound card. B. Advice for a new sound card is appreciated too. I like having the external patch bay like the old sound card had, it allows me to plug line level devices in (like my ZX-7) very conveniently without crawling around in the dark recesses behind the computer. It must work with XP Pro and Vista, hopefully, and it must have very good A/D functions. I have done some preliminary googling for sound card reviews but am having a very hard time finding any useful information out there. Advice from someone with real world experience would be appreciated. Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? 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Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Sun Feb 4 11:20:04 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:20:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SA-X tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: another good source of type II sony's is here: http://www.thomann.de/gb/sony_uxs_c90.htm it's a german proaudio retailer and offers very cheap shipping at fixed price to the UK.. I haven't checked other countries.. I haven't tried these tapes.. I've still got a supply of SA90's to use up when I've finally replaced all the orange caps in my decks and they start recording again!! regards adrian On 4 Feb 2007, at 07:31, Marc Hugo wrote: > Hi Evan, > > The types you mention are not made anymore - all the TDK Metals not > for some years now, and SA-X as of last year where they were > assembled at TDK's plant in Thailand. > > Remaining stock of these disocntinued lines might be found here and > there. Try: > > http://www.tapecenter.com/tdksaxaudtap.html > > http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/?E+cassette > > http://www.protape.co.uk/epages/protape.storefront > > http://www.totalmedia.com/ > > I have not checked the above links for a while. To be successful, > you will need speed, cunning and guile, not to mention, money!! > Metal, outside auctions is gone - unless, as they say, you know a > guy who knows a guy... > > To the auctions, cheap is not a word that metal sellers understand. > > SA-X stocks have diminished far faster than XLII-S, for various > reasons. > > Best of luck - Marc > > > > > > >>>> lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com 2/4/2007 1:20:51 AM >>> > Do any of you know where there is a good source for > new (sealed) SA-X and MA/ MA-X? besides eBay (or > manybe eBay if its cheap? 60 minute lengths would be > best. > > Thanks > > -Evan > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be > subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include > one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for > the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, > distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action > in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender > by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from > your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no > viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any > loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From jagtar at semplay.com Sun Feb 4 11:31:11 2007 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 10:31:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SA-X tapes In-Reply-To: <929773.37739.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Evan It's possible that I might have some stock of TDK MA C60 tapes all sealed as new that I put away. I might have some MA XG C90's too but remember paying a premium price for these, let me know if you are interested, maybe I can look at my stock this week. Also in stock is some BASF Chrome Super 2 in C60. Regards Jagtar (London UK) On 3/2/07 23:20, "Evan Lowery" wrote: > Do any of you know where there is a good source for > new (sealed) SA-X and MA/ MA-X? besides eBay (or > manybe eBay if its cheap? 60 minute lengths would be > best. > > Thanks > > -Evan > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 4 13:17:01 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:17:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] donated decks through naks.com Message-ID: <45C5CEBD.7060709@xs4all.nl> Here are some recent donations through naks.com visitors. Here are the descriptions, please send these people email to the address listed here. Wouter DONATIONS: ---------------- Birger Hofmann birger.hofmann at telia.com 480 Lee Boynton leeboy at slingshot.co.nz 700 TriTracer Had idler wheels and playing heads but have lost them. GARY PIERAZZI pierazzi at pacbell.net RX202 the units reversing mechanism needs repair - it does not work. Also this is preventing it from playing a cassette in either direction. It was working fine until just recently and then gave out. GARY PIERAZZI pierazzi at pacbell.net BX125 this item needs the output potentiometer to either be cleaned or replaced. Depending on it's 'rotated' position the output of the left channel can drop out. From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Feb 4 13:55:08 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:55:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards Message-ID: <00d401c7485b$b39504a0$6701a8c0@main> I have an Echo Audio Gina card. It works on my xp pro software. I had a previous model of Gina which worked on windows prior to my going to XP. Not sure if my Gina 24 would work on Vista. My experience has been when you change operating systems many things can go bad with hardware and programming. The Gina has analog and digital inputs and outputs the patchbay front is for analog. using 1/4 " phono plugs (one stereo pair for input and 4 stereo pairs for output. The digital (both optical and coax), separate input and output, are on the back along with a big cable which runs to the Gina sound card in the computer. The only problem I have with the card is getting settings correct. Not very intuitive. It can let you monitor either during recording or during playback I am using both Adobe audition and the older Syntillium Cool Edit Pro (bought out by Adobe) for recording software. This unit is a recording card, not a sound card for computer noises. I would recommend you contact Echo and look at the different cards they have. http://www.echoaudio.com/ It is the only card I have used so I cannot recommend it over or under another brand. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Sun Feb 4 16:31:05 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: <20070204153105.2B0DA2F595@xprdmxin.myway.com> Hello All,I have been searching for a BX-300 and have been actively bidding on EBay but bidding for this unit for the past few weeks has been fustrating pricing is all over the map with recent pricing at or around $200.00.So I have a few other local prospects and was wondering what your thoughts were regarding BX-300 versus the LX-5 and the 582Z.� Should I continue bidding on the BX-300 is it that much better then the other two? I just do not know, please advise.Thank you,Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Sun Feb 4 16:57:50 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:57:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] sound cards - Behringer UC-202 In-Reply-To: <729518.23193.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702041559.l14Fx115018511@zxe.naks.com> Cheap no frills usb sound card. Works very well and has a optical output. 30 bux. Works very well if you don't need multichannel audio ins... http://www.fullcompass.com/product/316870.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sun Feb 4 17:28:13 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:28:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Since no responce on last question, I will reword it.... Message-ID: I wanted to have my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape, as, I was planning to send it in to Mr. Brucker to have it serviced and calibrated. I received a notice last week from Quantegy that they will no longer be making tape (again). My question: What is the best quality tape/cassette shell still being produced? What are your favorites (only tape still being produced)? Thanks, Rick Fine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 4 17:36:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:36:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: Hi Dan, I kind of knew this subject was coming when I said something to Kannan about the BX-300 being one of the best Naks. Most Nak nuts consider the best Naks to be the ZX-9, the 1000ZXL, the 7000ZXL, and maybe the Dragon and one of the 680 series, take your pick, and we could mention some others for argument's sake. Nakamichi itself made their test tapes on the ZX-9, so that shows what they thought. In about 1986, after months of reading brochures and talking to sales people at various Bay Area audio shops I bought a new BX-300. I have never regretted that decision. I figured it was 95% as good as a Dragon, at 1/3 the cost. It had much lower wow-and-flutter than the classic decks, and I could actually hear the difference. In the case of all the classic decks which I have owned like the LX-5, the 482, 680, etc. the tone was great but the transport just wasn't quite as stable, and was prone to problems. I had the gear idler upgrade, and used that BX-300 for 20 years until I realized the high end was slightly diminished. I literally wore it out doing tape-trading (no, I'm not a Deadhead.) So I've now replaced it with 2 BX-300's off eBay. I paid $51 for one of them, which turned out to need a tape tension belt and an idler wheel. Once I figured out how to change the idler wheel, which is still available at MCM contrary to rumors of it's demise, I lost my fear of the old rubber idler system and now I'm perfectly happy with it. Recently, as my older Naks are approaching the end of their useful life, or at least are starting to near retirement like their owner, I have discovered that the BX-300 has one very, very, useful feature which sets it apart from the LX-5, 482, 680, etc. The direct drive system of the BX-300 is very forgiving of generic belts. The classic transport decks need an original Nak belt to sound good and keep within specs for wow-and-flutter. The BX-300 doesn't, and has lower wow-and-flutter to boot. Also, as far as I know, the BX-300 is the only direct-drive Nak with a pitch-control, which I have found a very useful feature. That settles the argument for me. I think my BX-300's will still sound good when the old decks are starting to fail, and is still the best deck for the money 20 years later. If money is no object, get one of the classic decks and have it rebuilt by Jeff Galin. I sent him my ZX-7 for a rebuild a year ago, and he's not answering my emails about it's status. I'm sure it will sound absolutely great when I get it back, if I'm still alive. Otherwise, I think a BX-300 off eBay in good condition - maybe needing an idler wheel, which is no big deal - is a great choice. that's my 2 cents. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 4 17:46:46 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:46:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Since no responce on last question, I will reword it.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C60DF6.2030302@peromarta.org> Hi Richard, search the archives. Earlier this year, a thread was started for the topic, "TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007" or something like that. Your dragon needs no "calibration" for a particular tape, as you do so for every tape before recording (at least you should). rgds, LP. RICHARD FIne wrote: > I wanted to have my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape, as, I was > planning to send it in to Mr. Brucker to have it serviced and > calibrated. I received a notice last week from Quantegy that they will > no longer be making tape (again). > My question: > What is the best quality tape/cassette shell still being produced? What > are your favorites (only tape still being produced)? > > Thanks, > > Rick Fine > > From moydan at excite.com Sun Feb 4 17:52:17 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:52:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: <20070204165217.6B61F8B34C@xprdmxin.myway.com> Jeff,Thank you very much for your thoughtful summary.Dan --- On Sun 02/04, < Bansijeff at aol.com > wrote:From: [mailto: Bansijeff at aol.com]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:36:39 ESTSubject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582ZbottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7>face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Hi Dan, I kind of knew this subject was coming when I said something to Kannan about the BX-300 being one of the best Naks. Most Nak nuts consider the best Naks to be the ZX-9, the 1000ZXL, the 7000ZXL, and maybe the Dragon and one of the 680 series, take your pick, and we could mention some others for argument's sake. Nakamichi itself made their test tapes on the ZX-9, so that shows what they thought. In about 1986, after months of reading brochures and talking to sales people at various Bay Area audio shops I bought a new BX-300. I have never regretted that decision. I figured it was 95% as good as a Dragon, at 1/3 the cost. It had much lower wow-and-flutter than the classic decks, and I could actually hear the difference. In the case of all the classic decks which I have owned like the LX-5, the 482, 680, etc. the tone was great but the transport just wasn't quite as stable, and was prone to problems. I had the gear idler upgrade, and used that BX-300 for 20 years until I realized the high end was slightly diminished. I literally wore it out doing tape-trading (no, I'm not a Deadhead.) So I've now replaced it with 2 BX-300's off eBay. I paid $51 for one of them, which turned out to need a tape tension belt and an idler wheel. Once I figured out how to change the idler wheel, which is still available at MCM contrary to rumors of it's demise, I lost my fear of the old rubber idler system and now I'm perfectly happy with it. Recently, as my older Naks are approaching the end of their useful life, or at least are starting to near retirement like their owner, I have discovered that the BX-300 has one very, very, useful feature which sets it apart from the LX-5, 482, 680, etc. The direct drive system of the BX-300 is very forgiving of generic belts. The classic transport decks need an original Nak belt to sound good and keep within specs for wow-and-flutter. The BX-300 doesn't, and has lower wow-and-flutter to boot. Also, as far as I know, the BX-300 is the only direct-drive Nak with a pitch-control, which I have found a very useful feature. That settles the argument for me. I think my BX-300's will still sound good when the old decks are starting to fail, and is still the best deck for the money 20 years later. If money is no object, get one of the classic decks and have it rebuilt by Jeff Galin. I sent him my ZX-7 for a rebuild a year ago, and he's not answering my emails about it's status. I'm sure it will sound absolutely great when I get it back, if I'm still alive. Otherwise, I think a BX-300 off eBay in good condition - maybe needing an idler wheel, which is no big deal - is a great choice. that's my 2 cents. Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 4 17:59:14 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Since no responce on last question, I will reword it.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640053.44885.qm@web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maxell and Sony both make reliable products. Khan RICHARD FIne wrote: I wanted to have my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape, as, I was planning to send it in to Mr. Brucker to have it serviced and calibrated. I received a notice last week from Quantegy that they will no longer be making tape (again). My question: What is the best quality tape/cassette shell still being produced? What are your favorites (only tape still being produced)? Thanks, Rick Fine ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 4 20:29:09 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:29:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c74892$bfa5d5d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Dan, I bought my BX-300 off Ebay about 18 mths ago for $200 and had it sent to me here in the UK. I sent it to B & W for a service and a gear upgrade (about £140). The overall cost seems a little high these days but I am perfectly happy with what I am hearing, believe you me. Pre-recorded tapes have never sounded so good and my old home recordings have a new lease of life. Yes, a Dragon with self correcting playback azimuth would be nice, but not at the price being asked. For me it's not a question of cost as such, as at my time of life (I'm 62 and retired) I could afford any Nak I fancied, rather more it is about being able to hear any real differences with my older ears and their undoubted loss of high frequency resolution. Like Jeff, I am more likely to hear wow and flutter and listening to my Bib test tape the wow and flutter is not audible on the piano passage they offer as a test. The other real improvement over other machines I have listened to is the background noise; it is very much quieter on a Nak and that includes the BX-300. Tonally it is not quite so beguiling as the classic decks but is still very fine and with excellent bass reproduction. I have got a BX-2 in my office and I enjoy that in it's intended enviroment. I also have a 550 which is back in the repair shop. However, since installing my BX-300 in my main room set up, that is the machine that is getting most played (with the aid of a Nak Receiver 1 and a pair of Bi-wired Rogers LS6 speakers). Cheers Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sun Feb 4 21:09:24 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:09:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Best places to purchase Maxell tape? Message-ID: Do they still make the Maxell XL II S? Where can I purchase for the best prices? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Sun Feb 4 22:03:31 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:03:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best places to purchase Maxell tape? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c7489f$ed6b7170$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> You can still find some deals on ebay but these are no longer being manufactured. I recently found 50 of them for around $100 us on ebay so they are not priced to badly if you find the right deal. Maxell still manufactures the XL-II which is a good tape, they can be had for around $1 each at various retailers. http://www.totalmedia.com/ has a good selection Happy recording! Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD FIne Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:09 PM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Best places to purchase Maxell tape? Do they still make the Maxell XL II S? Where can I purchase for the best prices? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 22:42:48 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:42:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Best places to purchase Maxell tape? In-Reply-To: <005401c7489f$ed6b7170$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> References: <005401c7489f$ed6b7170$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702041342g4c22237epcd9475f47682ef07@mail.gmail.com> I picked up a ton of them recently on Batteries And Butter and another site whose name I don't recall. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sun Feb 4 23:42:13 2007 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:42:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs In-Reply-To: <200702031104.l13B128g000959@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "I saw the pics from the Yahoo groups site and i think the R/P Head stroke gauge is the easiest jig to start with. If we could get a clearer (brighter and bigger) pic and some dimensions maybe we could get going." Soumi, The reason the pics are small is twofold: 1) Due to my transfer, I have had to relinquish my broadband connection in NZ, and my PC's with all my nak info is in storage. I am relying on a laptop and 56K dialup!! I will not be re-established on broadband until we move into our new house in Oz, so transmitting high res pictures is not desireable at the moment. If you can wait two months or so, then I can send the large original JPEG's taken with a 6MP SLR. 2) My 'site' was set up to be useable by most people, ie: those people still on dialup as well, and hence an appropriate picture size/ resolution was used. Anything else can be accomodated The EH stroke gauges should indeed be the easiest to reproduce, and so far, to me, the most useful. About 4% of the Nak's I have encountered have had head alignment issues as received, the rest seem as good as the day they left the factory, even after 20 good years of use. By contrast, probably 75% of my 'classic' naks have suffered from sticking or 'solid' pinch rollers and in most cases required removal or significant disturbance to rectify... must be the climate in NZ.. and hence the EH stroke gauges are great for getting them realigned easily. Any of the gauges could be reproduced, it is only a question of 'cost'. Cheers, Martin From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Feb 5 00:21:08 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:21:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C66A64.9010808@cox.net> I have a few Nak alignment fixtures: 9039 Tilt check gauge 9047 'Stroke Check Gauge' 9090 'Stroke Check Gauge S' 9051 'E.H. Stroke Check Gauge' 9091 'Guide Height Gauge S' The 9047 and 9090 appear identical to me, only the numbers are different and the names slightly different. The 9051 and the 9091 are very, very similar. The only obvious difference is an additional bevel on one part of the 9091. Otherwise, they look mechanically identical. I have no place to post pictures. Can I take pictures and send them to someone to post? I can draw up a 2D storm in Autocad, but accurately measuring the dimensions and characteristics of the Nak parts might be tricky. Tim shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: > "I saw the pics from the Yahoo groups site and i think the R/P Head stroke > gauge is the easiest jig to start with. If we could get a clearer > (brighter > and bigger) pic and some dimensions maybe we could get going." > > > Soumi, > > The reason the pics are small is twofold: > 1) Due to my transfer, I have had to relinquish my broadband connection in > NZ, and my PC's with all my nak info is in storage. I am relying on a > laptop and 56K dialup!! I will not be re-established on broadband until we > move into our new house in Oz, so transmitting high res pictures is not > desireable at the moment. If you can wait two months or so, then I can > send the large original JPEG's taken with a 6MP SLR. > 2) My 'site' was set up to be useable by most people, ie: those people > still on dialup as well, and hence an appropriate picture size/ resolution > was used. Anything else can be accomodated > > The EH stroke gauges should indeed be the easiest to reproduce, and so > far, to me, the most useful. About 4% of the Nak's I have encountered have > had head alignment issues as received, the rest seem as good as the day > they left the factory, even after 20 good years of use. By contrast, > probably 75% of my 'classic' naks have suffered from sticking or 'solid' > pinch rollers and in most cases required removal or significant > disturbance to rectify... must be the climate in NZ.. and hence the EH > stroke gauges are great for getting them realigned easily. > > Any of the gauges could be reproduced, it is only a question of 'cost'. > > Cheers, > > Martin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 00:58:47 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:58:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 belt & idler Message-ID: <1cc47db60702041558g2ff36e29h42e466300ab9ad4d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Just measured my old wornout tire with a micrometer. Here are the numbers: 15.1mm X 11.35mm X 2mm I wonder how reduction in size has occurred from wear and shrinkage. Does anybody know the oem size? How about a known fully functional aftermarket replacement? Do I understand that MCM offers a tire that works . Anybody have the part number? How about a belt number? OK, I'm guilty, I admit it, I've been a bad boy. I broke down & tried the newer Sony ES decks. Have to admit they are well built. But, they don't come anywhere near the vibe or sweetness of the Naks. The Sony's just didn't produce the same music. Like someone reached in and disturbed the music's soul. Thanks in advance to all, Sam Long Live Analog!! Long Live Nakamichi! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Mon Feb 5 00:59:06 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:59:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs In-Reply-To: <45C66A64.9010808@cox.net> References: <45C66A64.9010808@cox.net> Message-ID: Upload them to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs I have a few Nak alignment fixtures: 9039 Tilt check gauge 9047 'Stroke Check Gauge' 9090 'Stroke Check Gauge S' 9051 'E.H. Stroke Check Gauge' 9091 'Guide Height Gauge S' The 9047 and 9090 appear identical to me, only the numbers are different and the names slightly different. The 9051 and the 9091 are very, very similar. The only obvious difference is an additional bevel on one part of the 9091. Otherwise, they look mechanically identical. I have no place to post pictures. Can I take pictures and send them to someone to post? I can draw up a 2D storm in Autocad, but accurately measuring the dimensions and characteristics of the Nak parts might be tricky. Tim shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: "I saw the pics from the Yahoo groups site and i think the R/P Head stroke gauge is the easiest jig to start with. If we could get a clearer (brighter and bigger) pic and some dimensions maybe we could get going." Soumi, The reason the pics are small is twofold: 1) Due to my transfer, I have had to relinquish my broadband connection in NZ, and my PC's with all my nak info is in storage. I am relying on a laptop and 56K dialup!! I will not be re-established on broadband until we move into our new house in Oz, so transmitting high res pictures is not desireable at the moment. If you can wait two months or so, then I can send the large original JPEG's taken with a 6MP SLR. 2) My 'site' was set up to be useable by most people, ie: those people still on dialup as well, and hence an appropriate picture size/ resolution was used. Anything else can be accomodated The EH stroke gauges should indeed be the easiest to reproduce, and so far, to me, the most useful. About 4% of the Nak's I have encountered have had head alignment issues as received, the rest seem as good as the day they left the factory, even after 20 good years of use. By contrast, probably 75% of my 'classic' naks have suffered from sticking or 'solid' pinch rollers and in most cases required removal or significant disturbance to rectify... must be the climate in NZ.. and hence the EH stroke gauges are great for getting them realigned easily. Any of the gauges could be reproduced, it is only a question of 'cost'. Cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Mon Feb 5 02:24:13 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 02:24:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs In-Reply-To: References: <45C66A64.9010808@cox.net> Message-ID: The pictures are now located in the "Service Information" Category. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:59 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs Upload them to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Alignment jigs I have a few Nak alignment fixtures: 9039 Tilt check gauge 9047 'Stroke Check Gauge' 9090 'Stroke Check Gauge S' 9051 'E.H. Stroke Check Gauge' 9091 'Guide Height Gauge S' The 9047 and 9090 appear identical to me, only the numbers are different and the names slightly different. The 9051 and the 9091 are very, very similar. The only obvious difference is an additional bevel on one part of the 9091. Otherwise, they look mechanically identical. I have no place to post pictures. Can I take pictures and send them to someone to post? I can draw up a 2D storm in Autocad, but accurately measuring the dimensions and characteristics of the Nak parts might be tricky. Tim shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: "I saw the pics from the Yahoo groups site and i think the R/P Head stroke gauge is the easiest jig to start with. If we could get a clearer (brighter and bigger) pic and some dimensions maybe we could get going." Soumi, The reason the pics are small is twofold: 1) Due to my transfer, I have had to relinquish my broadband connection in NZ, and my PC's with all my nak info is in storage. I am relying on a laptop and 56K dialup!! I will not be re-established on broadband until we move into our new house in Oz, so transmitting high res pictures is not desireable at the moment. If you can wait two months or so, then I can send the large original JPEG's taken with a 6MP SLR. 2) My 'site' was set up to be useable by most people, ie: those people still on dialup as well, and hence an appropriate picture size/ resolution was used. Anything else can be accomodated The EH stroke gauges should indeed be the easiest to reproduce, and so far, to me, the most useful. About 4% of the Nak's I have encountered have had head alignment issues as received, the rest seem as good as the day they left the factory, even after 20 good years of use. By contrast, probably 75% of my 'classic' naks have suffered from sticking or 'solid' pinch rollers and in most cases required removal or significant disturbance to rectify... must be the climate in NZ.. and hence the EH stroke gauges are great for getting them realigned easily. Any of the gauges could be reproduced, it is only a question of 'cost'. Cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Mon Feb 5 03:40:11 2007 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:40:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassette Forum eGroup..... References: <200702050008.l15086UT026606@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006c01c748ce$f57496b0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Greetings..... Since there has been a bit of activity related to cassette tapes on NakTalk recently, I wanted to offer a web link to another eGroup, that focuses on cassette tape issues. Interesting disussions currently about cassette comparisons, particularly metal bias classics. Also lots of photos and reference documents available in the eGroup's info archives. Check out the Cassette Forum, perhaps you'll be interesting in joining that growing community of cassette tape enthusiasts: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/CassetteForum/ Best regards, K.J. Bleus, Moderator Cassette Forum eGroup From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 5 04:33:15 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:03:15 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Alignment jigs (Tim Barrett) References: <200702050008.l15086UU026606@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002401c748d6$60732ab0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Tim You can send them to me to these email IDs : soumitra at soumitrab.com noneyhoney at hotmail.com I use AutoCAD 14 and i can get 2000 as well ... so you can also send in your CAD drawings if needed. I have a Nak group here : http://soumitrab.com/Naks/ So i can post the pics and other related data here. Best Soumi From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 5 04:41:46 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:11:46 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: Alignment jigs References: <200702050008.l15086UU026606@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002801c748d7$90c9a0d0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Martin Good luck with the moving. Hope everything goes well. I moved home recently after 32 years in the former home and i know what moving is like. Well, feel free to send in the pics when you are nice n settled. Yes, i guess EH & R/P stroke gauges i think are indeed useful. I have a 3 head and a 2 head NAK and their playback characteristics are not the same as one would think. I have been going thru the posts here and alignments are definitely required. Lets hope we can have something going. Best Soumi From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 5 06:45:16 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:15:16 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Pics of Gauges References: <200702050008.l15086UU026606@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006501c748e8$d1b26350$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all I have posted the pics of the gauges and can be viewed here : http://soumitrab.com/Naks/ Best Soumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Feb 5 08:59:38 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:59:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jeff and everyone else, I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 and CR-7. Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/ From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 5 09:42:50 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:12:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Need Jig Dimensions ... References: <200702050008.l15086UU026606@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <009701c74901$a024a6e0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all I have posted a thread with 3 pics of a jig and the required dimensions. Please let us know what these are . Best Soumi From manunta at hotmail.com Mon Feb 5 13:51:07 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:51:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website Message-ID: Hi to everybody, I've put new hi-rez pictures of my RM-1/RCNAK remote control on my website www.m2tech.biz/Products.htm. Comments are welcome. I rememeber to all Naks fans that the remote is on sale and fits both non-autoreverse and autoreverse models. The first production lot is to be shipped tomorrow towards USA. I ship directly to buyers outside USA. Cheers, Marco _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le tue informazioni. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 5 15:14:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:14:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 belt & idler In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60702041558g2ff36e29h42e466300ab9ad4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cc47db60702041558g2ff36e29h42e466300ab9ad4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C73BBB.9080805@rcn.com> sam's mail wrote: > Hi, > > Just measured my old wornout tire with a micrometer. Here are the numbers: > > 15.1mm X 11.35mm X 2mm > > I wonder how reduction in size has occurred from wear and shrinkage. > Does anybody know the oem size? How about a known fully functional > aftermarket replacement? Do I understand that MCM offers a tire that > works . Anybody have the part number? How about a belt number? The MCM P/N is 32-5665. They work just fine and cost less than a buck apiece. I used quite a few of them. Never a problem and they seem to last at least as long as the original parts. -- Ron > OK, I'm guilty, I admit it, I've been a bad boy. I broke down & tried > the newer Sony ES decks. Have to admit they are well built. But, they > don't come anywhere near the vibe or sweetness of the Naks. The Sony's > just didn't produce the same music. Like someone reached in and > disturbed the music's soul. > > > Thanks in advance to all, > Sam > Long Live Analog!! > Long Live Nakamichi! From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 5 16:45:21 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200916.11596.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I have an CD-1.5 and two MR1's. I believe the MR1 is basically the same as the BX300. The CD-1.5 was my first Nak which I bought new in the early 90's. It did go down on me once and it went to Nakamichi in southern California. Since then it has been a wonderful machine! I don't know if I can tell the difference between the MR1's and the CD-1.5. winnie pooh wrote: Hi Jeff and everyone else, I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 and CR-7. Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 16:30:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:30:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Since no responce on last question, I will reword it.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070205093040.00852af0@earthlink.net> Rick, The Dragon's calibration (record performance) can be adjusted by you. The big 3, TDK SA, Maxell UDXLII, And Fuji type 2, and their -S sisters, all have similar bias points. The tapes that are radically different are BASF, Agfa, Sony. I would not be too concerned if you choose the big 3, but for the very different brands, choose one you can stock up on. tom brucker At 08:28 AM 2/4/07 -0800, RICHARD FIne wrote: >>>> I wanted to have my Dragon calibrated for Quantegy tape, as, I was planning to send it in to Mr. Brucker to have it serviced and calibrated. I received a notice last week from Quantegy that they will no longer be making tape (again). My question: What is the best quality tape/cassette shell still being produced? What are your favorites (only tape still being produced)? Thanks, Rick Fine ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 16:54:35 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:54:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. Bang & Olufsen demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same size. I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire skip-slip of the Sankyo. I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I will just fall back on theory. BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought to give this classic a listen! At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: > >Hi Jeff and everyone else, > >I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about >it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I >did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & >Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in >to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 >is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. > >I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 >is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a >lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 >and CR-7. > >Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! >http://msnuk.match.com/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 17:35:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:35:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <291430.89955.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good explanation about Classic nak transport superiority over Sankyo transport. However The heads on Sankyo do not seem to be different from Older classic transport to me. Infact CR7A has as much headroom as that of any other Nak that I have heard. kannan Hi Tech wrote: One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. Bang & Olufsen demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same size. I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire skip-slip of the Sankyo. I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I will just fall back on theory. BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought to give this classic a listen! At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: > >Hi Jeff and everyone else, > >I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about >it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I >did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & >Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in >to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 >is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. > >I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 >is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a >lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 >and CR-7. > >Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! >http://msnuk.match.com/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 5 18:02:00 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment Message-ID: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Feb 5 18:31:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:31:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C769F4.2030804@peromarta.org> Hi Bob, Yes temperature certainly can influence, not only on electronics, but on mechanical tolerances and oil fluidity (not sure about translation here, sorry :( ) 44Hz drift is aprox 1,5% which seems a little high for me. I would re calibrte with the deck warm, and try the test repeteadly for a few days in the same temperature condition. Best rgds, lp. Bob Naylor wrote: > *Guys,* > *Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the > tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A > few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. > Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions?* > *Thanks, Bob* > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Mon Feb 5 18:33:41 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:33:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes it will vary with temperature because of the components within the motor-driver circuit will will change on temperature. Best approach is to do as the recommend with high-quality instrumentation such as scopes and dvm's: At least one hour warm-up time. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:02 PM To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment Guys, Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 5 18:47:47 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <442098.78188.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been using a DVOM that reads hz. I believe it's accurate since when I test my home's electrical it reads exactly 60hz. I do have an automotive digital scope that maybe I'll get out and experiment. Thanks Tom and Luis. Bob Tomas Larsson wrote: Yes it will vary with temperature because of the components within the motor-driver circuit will will change on temperature. Best approach is to do as the recommend with high-quality instrumentation such as scopes and dvm's: At least one hour warm-up time. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:02 PM To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment Guys, Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions? Thanks, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 5 19:12:56 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:12:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: Hi Y'all, Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - Direct Drive models - Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same for CR-4 and MR-1) Classic Transport ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as follows - Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) Hope this helps, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buddam at lsbu.ac.uk Mon Feb 5 19:44:52 2007 From: buddam at lsbu.ac.uk (Budd, Adrian Mark) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:44:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z References: Message-ID: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has marginally greater W&F than the other decks. Adrian This e-mail message may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Please do not disseminate or distribute this message other than to its intended recipient without permission of the author. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 5 19:52:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:52:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: In a message dated 2/5/2007 10:48:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, buddam at lsbu.ac.uk writes: Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has marginally greater W&F than the other decks. Adrian According to the data, the BX-300 is almost as good as the other direct drive Naks, the Dragon and the ZX-9. It is way ahead of the classic transport decks listed. Lower numbers mean better performance. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Feb 5 19:58:27 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:58:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) Message-ID: On first inspection, a few mechanical issues like door won't open when lever pushed and counter won't reset to zero - just 100. The more significant issue is nothing happens when RAMM button pressed? Will check for loose wires etc when more time, but wondered if this is a common problem with this deck? Any ideas? Apart from that its playing nicely at the moment and well worth £36. Many Thanks, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 20:04:55 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:04:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> Specs and actual measurements are two different things. Your data all contains the term "less than". Here's what is behind the W/F game. W/F are variations in speed. These variations have their own frequencies. Drift is the lowest frequency , followed by wow, up to 12-15 Hz, and flutter >15 Hz. A deck might have 3.7Hz from a flywheel, 7.4Hz from a motor, 11.2 Hz from a pinch roller, 14.8 Hz from bearing wobble, 21.6 Hz from belt stretch, 37Hz from tape stick-slip, all in different amplitudes and all lumped together as Wow and Flutter. Some standards people got together and decided some flutter frequencies are MORE AUDIBLE than others, so they instituted "weighting" WRMS is a weighted spec, as are JIS and DIN specs. Each weighted measurement yields different numbers, because each deck has a unique set of speed variation frequencies. JIS ignores the higher frequencies, WRMS is in the middle, and DIN has the broadest filter window. If you have followed this so far, then take the next step. Try measuring UNweighted , or better yet, Unweighted peak. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer is a rather unique instrument to evaluate decks, and what I see on the classic Nak transport is the lowest peak Un weighted W/F . That is the measurement story. There is a HUGE public problem with specs....rarely do they correlate with what we hear. Try recording a solo violin on both classic and Sankyo decks. In playback, you will hear what sounds like a better tone on the classic deck. The ear can pick out the added high peak flutter on string sounds easily. This to me is the best test. I like the mention of the BIB test tape with the piano recording to evaluate Wow. That is an excellent audible test. Your point about belts is very well taken. I am trying to have custom Nak belts made for the classic mech . so there may be hope. Ironically, no W/F test tape exists with residual less than 0.04% WRMS, so those low numbers on the newer decks are all a marketing game that Nak decided to play. I call W/F a "game" because the manufacturers have always played specification battles. The JIS standard makes every cheap Japanase plastic flywheel deck spec better than a European Tandberg or B&O, which use the DIN wtd Peak standard. You know which sounds better; the specs "play a lying game" misunderstood by those who do not know the "rest of the story". BTW for all trying to set tape speed with a frequency counter, the counter is measuring an instantaneous speed sample, and peak flutter and wow will produce some high numbers. You have to average a lot of readings, or set the gate time long if you have the option. The proper tool is a wow/flutter/ speed meter or Nak T100, which measures very long averages through analog means. The frequency counter method is a work-around since W/F meters are not generally availible. tom brucker At 01:12 PM 2/5/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Y'all, Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - Direct Drive models - Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same for CR-4 and MR-1) Classic Transport ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as follows - Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) Hope this helps, Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 5 20:18:44 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:18:44 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: Hi Tom, I play and teach North Indian bamboo flute. As you may or may not know, Indian music is always performed with a drone accompaniment, which plays the same tone over and over, just like a test tone. Years ago, I made a live tape on my BX-300 of an Indian instrument called shruthi box, which is like a little accordion playing a single chord endlessly. I practiced with that tape in my studio every day for 5 years. That tape became the reference standard by which I judge every tape deck. Taking your principle of real-world listening, I found that the BX-300 could play my shruthi box tape flawlessly with no discernable wow-and-flutter, and my LX-5 could not. I've now tested it out on other classic transport decks too. It was exactly your principle of real-world listening which led me to notice that the classic transport had inferior wow-and-flutter to the BX-300's direct drive system. If you can get belts made to the original Nak specs, I'll buy a bunch of them. all the best Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Feb 5 20:24:08 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:24:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <161469.96051.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> An Excellent explanation which puts this subject well and truly to bed! Thanks, T. Hi Tech wrote: Specs and actual measurements are two different things. Your data all contains the term "less than". Here's what is behind the W/F game. W/F are variations in speed. These variations have their own frequencies. Drift is the lowest frequency , followed by wow, up to 12-15 Hz, and flutter >15 Hz. A deck might have 3.7Hz from a flywheel, 7.4Hz from a motor, 11.2 Hz from a pinch roller, 14.8 Hz from bearing wobble, 21.6 Hz from belt stretch, 37Hz from tape stick-slip, all in different amplitudes and all lumped together as Wow and Flutter. Some standards people got together and decided some flutter frequencies are MORE AUDIBLE than others, so they instituted "weighting" WRMS is a weighted spec, as are JIS and DIN specs. Each weighted measurement yields different numbers, because each deck has a unique set of speed variation frequencies. JIS ignores the higher frequencies, WRMS is in the middle, and DIN has the broadest filter window. If you have followed this so far, then take the next step. Try measuring UNweighted , or better yet, Unweighted peak. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer is a rather unique instrument to evaluate decks, and what I see on the classic Nak transport is the lowest peak Un weighted W/F . That is the measurement story. There is a HUGE public problem with specs....rarely do they correlate with what we hear. Try recording a solo violin on both classic and Sankyo decks. In playback, you will hear what sounds like a better tone on the classic deck. The ear can pick out the added high peak flutter on string sounds easily. This to me is the best test. I like the mention of the BIB test tape with the piano recording to evaluate Wow. That is an excellent audible test. Your point about belts is very well taken. I am trying to have custom Nak belts made for the classic mech . so there may be hope. Ironically, no W/F test tape exists with residual less than 0.04% WRMS, so those low numbers on the newer decks are all a marketing game that Nak decided to play. I call W/F a "game" because the manufacturers have always played specification battles. The JIS standard makes every cheap Japanase plastic flywheel deck spec better than a European Tandberg or B&O, which use the DIN wtd Peak standard. You know which sounds better; the specs "play a lying game" misunderstood by those who do not know the "rest of the story". BTW for all trying to set tape speed with a frequency counter, the counter is measuring an instantaneous speed sample, and peak flutter and wow will produce some high numbers. You have to average a lot of readings, or set the gate time long if you have the option. The proper tool is a wow/flutter/ speed meter or Nak T100, which measures very long averages through analog means. The frequency counter method is a work-around since W/F meters are not generally availible. tom brucker At 01:12 PM 2/5/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Y'all, Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - Direct Drive models - Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same for CR-4 and MR-1) Classic Transport ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as follows - Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) Hope this helps, Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Feb 5 21:00:21 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:00:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57648.37375.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Just wonder have you tried to record the same piece of music on the LX5 and then listen to it to see how it sounds. Then play this piece of music recorded on the LX5 on the BX-300 and see how it sounds again? Thanks. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Tom, I play and teach North Indian bamboo flute. As you may or may not know, Indian music is always performed with a drone accompaniment, which plays the same tone over and over, just like a test tone. Years ago, I made a live tape on my BX-300 of an Indian instrument called shruthi box, which is like a little accordion playing a single chord endlessly. I practiced with that tape in my studio every day for 5 years. That tape became the reference standard by which I judge every tape deck. Taking your principle of real-world listening, I found that the BX-300 could play my shruthi box tape flawlessly with no discernable wow-and-flutter, and my LX-5 could not. I've now tested it out on other classic transport decks too. It was exactly your principle of real-world listening which led me to notice that the classic transport had inferior wow-and-flutter to the BX-300's direct drive system. If you can get belts made to the original Nak specs, I'll buy a bunch of them. all the best Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 5 22:17:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:17:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: In a message dated 2/5/2007 12:19:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: Just wonder have you tried to record the same piece of music on the LX5 and then listen to it to see how it sounds. Then play this piece of music recorded on the LX5 on the BX-300 and see how it sounds again? Thanks. Mike Hi Mike, I have done that many times with several different Nak decks. In my listening opinion, the BX-300 was almost as good as the ZX-7 and the Dragon (which I also own), with maybe a slightly lower W&F than the ZX-7, but the ZX-7 has that uncanny classic Nak sound, which some comes from the heads and others say is the pre-amp engineering. In the 80's I owned both the LX-5 and the 482. In 1986 or so I bought a BX-300 new, and it seemed to me to be way ahead of the LX-5 and the 482, which I wound up selling to friends after doing lots of listening comparisons. I did all kinds of listening and technical tests. My friends never complained to me about buying the LX and 482 - they weren't as sensitive to the w&f issues as I am, and were used to Sony's. For them, it was a big step up. I happen to be addicted to the tone of the 680 series, which is more or less like the ZX-7, and really enjoy listening to them, but they weren't as good as the BX-300 in recording from CD's. The CR-4, which I also own has really good performance too, but doesn't have a pitch control. I now make ridiculously low bids on eBay, and sometimes to my utter amazement I come up with a great deck. I recently got a 480 off Craigslist in almost unused condition for $30 and it sounds absolutely great, for a 480. The guy who owned it was apparently a digital engineer in the 80's and never used it as he looked down on analog. His loss was my gain. I think it depends somewhat on the source material. The older classic decks do sound very good, very warm, with old tapes and tapes made from records. I have used my ZX-7 for archiving material from records, and sent it to ESL in January of last year for a rebuild as I want to spend my old age archiving all the great recordings I have going back to the 50's. I still haven't gotten it back, although I'm supposed to have it in the "priority cue" whatever that means. I do not own a T-100, but several of my decks have been tested by techs with one. The various Nak specs which I presented from the manuals have always proven generally correct, as far as I know. Interestingly, when I put my ZX-7 and BX-300 on a spectrum analyzer and tried to figure out why they sounded different, the BX-300 actually had MORE high frequency sound content in the octaves where most usefully, musically, significant overtones are found. This surprised me, and makes me think the warm, classic Nak sound is in the pre-amp, not the heads, but that's just a layman's opinion. My technical expertise consists of knowing how to change a belt or an idler wheel, and using a can of DeOxIt. Instant carpet cleaner works great for taking stacking rubber foot marks off the top of old decks, by the way. However, if the source material is digital, I would challenge anybody to do a blind listening test with the BX-300 and the original source. I had a 25-year old BX-300 worked on by Willy Herman, the former owner of SF Stereo, a month or 2 ago (he fixed a problem with the record function in about 2 minutes) and he was laughing when he went back and forth from "monitor" to "source" with his Rotel CD, saying, "You just can't hear ANY difference." Now let me say, if you love the old Nak decks, I'm sure you want someone like Tom or Kannan to work on them. A guy who loves and works on those decks is OK with me. I would not hesitate to send an old deck to either of them for repair. But, I really do believe that the BX-300 is "the best Nak for the money" which to me is as true today as it was in 1986. all the best Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Feb 5 23:59:38 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:59:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't get it. I was going to order one from Scott Johnson eventually, for my RX machine. Whats this one? On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:51:07 -0600, Marco Manunta wrote: > Hi to everybody, > I've put new hi-rez pictures of my RM-1/RCNAK remote control on my > website www.m2tech.biz/Products.htm. Comments are welcome. I rememeber > to all Naks fans that the remote is on sale and fits both > non-autoreverse and autoreverse models. The first production lot is to > be shipped tomorrow towards USA. I ship directly to buyers outside USA. > Cheers, > Marco > _________________________________________________________________ > Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le > tue informazioni. > http://www.live.com/ -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 00:05:00 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:05:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <57648.37375.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070205170500.00851620@earthlink.net> There is a neat phenomenon that a tape played back on the machine which recorded it will have lower audible W/F. This is because only one set of frequencies is present, albeit twice in amplitude. tom brucker At 12:00 PM 2/5/07 -0800, LENA WONG wrote: >>>> Jeff: Just wonder have you tried to record the same piece of music on the LX5 and then listen to it to see how it sounds. Then play this piece of music recorded on the LX5 on the BX-300 and see how it sounds again? Thanks. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Tom, I play and teach North Indian bamboo flute. As you may or may not know, Indian music is always performed with a drone accompaniment, which plays the same tone over and over, just like a test tone. Years ago, I made a live tape on my BX-300 of an Indian instrument called shruthi box, which is like a little accordion playing a single chord endlessly. I practiced with that tape in my studio every day for 5 years. That tape became the reference standard by which I judge every tape deck. Taking your principle of real-world listening, I found that the BX-300 could play my shruthi box tape flawlessly with no discernable wow-and-flutter, and my LX-5 could not. I've now tested it out on other classic transport decks too. It was exactly your principle of real-world listening which led me to notice that the classic transport had inferior wow-and-flutter to the BX-300's direct drive system. If you can get belts made to the original Nak specs, I'll buy a bunch of them. all the best Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 00:05:01 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:05:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070205170501.00850100@earthlink.net> Cool! I guess I have to put an asterix on the MR1, BX300 and DR7. My beef with the Sankyo transport has everything to do with the reel idler. It makes sense that the direct drive should be better. Thanks for the observations. I hope everyone understands a bit more about specs. Jeff made his choice by listening, even though he claims to have used the spec sheet. tom brucker At 02:18 PM 2/5/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, I play and teach North Indian bamboo flute. As you may or may not know, Indian music is always performed with a drone accompaniment, which plays the same tone over and over, just like a test tone. Years ago, I made a live tape on my BX-300 of an Indian instrument called shruthi box, which is like a little accordion playing a single chord endlessly. I practiced with that tape in my studio every day for 5 years. That tape became the reference standard by which I judge every tape deck. Taking your principle of real-world listening, I found that the BX-300 could play my shruthi box tape flawlessly with no discernable wow-and-flutter, and my LX-5 could not. I've now tested it out on other classic transport decks too. It was exactly your principle of real-world listening which led me to notice that the classic transport had inferior wow-and-flutter to the BX-300's direct drive system. If you can get belts made to the original Nak specs, I'll buy a bunch of them. all the best Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 01:07:02 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:07:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808912.49510.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This one is priced a little high at 89 Euro (about $115.06 USD) plus shipping and does not give you ability to have more than one remote controlled tape deck in the same room. At least as far as I can tell. My remote receiver has the ability to response to 1 of 4 remote code (Sony Beta VCR, Sony VHS VCR, Sony 8mm VCR and Sony LDP or in future versions the option of Sony DVD player instead of Sony LDP) This way you can have multiple units in the same room independantly controlled. Mine also had the ability to control the RX series as well as the Dragon, you will have to read on my web site how that is controlled. I don't supply a handheld remote transmitter with mine because I figured just about everyone has a universal remote already. Although if you want a remote that is preprogrammed to control my receiver I have a variety for sale for $15 each. My remote receiver plugs into the back of the tape deck via a pigtail connector out the back for $40 plus shipping. Shipping within the US is $4 and shipping worldwide is $7. Some decks do not supply power out the standard 8-pin remote jack and will require an external AC adapter. I can provide this adapter for $6 (US 110VAC wall plug only). The other remote receiver does have one feature that I haven't released yet and that's power control. I have a number of PC Boards built up just waiting for code developement. This unit will cost an extra $15 and will require a little DIY on your part. It will provide power out to control a 5V relay which you will have to wire up to switch your mains. Since many of my customer are international I can not make these mains relay boxes for each country. The web site for my remote is http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html Scott J. jerryjg wrote: I don't get it. I was going to order one from Scott Johnson eventually, for my RX machine. Whats this one? On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:51:07 -0600, Marco Manunta wrote: > Hi to everybody, > I've put new hi-rez pictures of my RM-1/RCNAK remote control on my > website www.m2tech.biz/Products.htm. Comments are welcome. I rememeber > to all Naks fans that the remote is on sale and fits both > non-autoreverse and autoreverse models. The first production lot is to > be shipped tomorrow towards USA. I ship directly to buyers outside USA. > Cheers, > Marco > _________________________________________________________________ > Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le > tue informazioni. > http://www.live.com/ -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Feb 6 01:20:15 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:20:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] phono preamp Message-ID: <45C7C9BF.8070201@cox.net> Seems to me I remember someone on this list speaking about a nice DIY phono preamp design. I'd like to build one for moving magnet cartridges to use with my computer setup. Does anyone out there know of one which is tried and true? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unioncitizen at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 03:12:46 2007 From: unioncitizen at earthlink.net (unioncitizen at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:12:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping Message-ID: <45C7E41E.8050807@earthlink.net> Hi, I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" Here are some clues, maybe: +++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds before stopping. +++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high 500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a completely blank brand new TDK SA. +++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a part? Is the Pope Catholic? I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) stress. Has this happened to you? What did you do? Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. Lou B. From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Feb 6 03:37:43 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:37:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 installed new idler wheel Message-ID: <45C7E9F7.7090909@caribsurf.com> As a matter of interest does it FF and REW ok? without a tape does it work in play without stopping? Regards Paul, From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Feb 6 03:53:58 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:53:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping Message-ID: Hi Lou, 1. The washer is supposed to be in the front of the idler, not behind it. Sometimes they're clear, not black. Not having the washer is probably enough to make the idler fail. It's a part found in lots of places on different Naks, including holding the pinch roller assembly on its axle. Do you know anyone with a parts deck? 2. Maybe it needs a tape tension belt. You can use PRB SCY3.2 for this, I think. Once you're in the area of the idler wheel, the tape tension belt is easy to replace. 3. Don't be sure Adam Liberman sent you the right tire. Use MCM's 32-5665. A tire I once got from Dean, who sells them on eBay, turned out to be slightly bigger than the 32-5665, and I had to replace it with the one from MCM in one of my decks, which if memory serves me right was a BX-300. The slightly bigger one seems to work OK in the BX-1, BX-2, MR-2, BX-100, BX-125, and BX-150 and most people getting one from Dean have had success with it in those decks. I bought 5 of them from Dean before finding the right one at MCM, and I think they worked in the 2 head decks, which may not have the same tolerances as the 3-head BX-300. Adam may use the same one that Dean sells - I'm pretty sure they sell exactly the same classic transport idler wheel. 4. The really nasty possibility is that the reel motor is fried. hope this helps Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unioncitizen at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 04:01:52 2007 From: unioncitizen at earthlink.net (unioncitizen at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:01:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 installed new idler wheel In-Reply-To: <45C7E9F7.7090909@caribsurf.com> References: <45C7E9F7.7090909@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <45C7EFA0.5030701@earthlink.net> Hello, Paul, Yes to both. It FFs and REWs ok. It "plays" without a tape for as long as I keep it running. Thanks. LB Paul Carrington wrote: > As a matter of interest does it FF and REW ok? without a tape does it > work in play without > stopping? > Regards > Paul, > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From unioncitizen at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 04:24:33 2007 From: unioncitizen at earthlink.net (unioncitizen at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:24:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C7F4F1.3060501@earthlink.net> Hi, Jeff, There certainly was a washer as you describe in front of the wheel, but tire suppliers say there should be one behind it also. See below. My comments are below your comments: Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Lou, > > 1. The washer is supposed to be in the front of the idler, not behind > it. Sometimes they're clear, not black. Not having the washer is > probably enough to make the idler fail. It's a part found in lots of > places on different Naks, including holding the pinch roller assembly on > its axle. Do you know anyone with a parts deck? Both Liberman's instructions and those from a source frequently mentioned here, nakamichi.us (electronics service labs) identify this front washer, but both mention a washer that is supposed to be BEHIND the wheel as well: "7) Lift off the idler hub and watch for a black washer that should be on the bottom of the shaft. If it comes off with the hub, put it back on shaft. [from ESL's instructions for replacement of tire]" No such item was there. > 2. Maybe it needs a tape tension belt. You can use PRB SCY3.2 for > this, I think. Once you're in the area of the idler wheel, the tape > tension belt is easy to replace. OK. I can deal with this, if nothing else works. Where can I find the PRB SCY3.2? > 3. Don't be sure Adam Liberman sent you the right tire. Use MCM's > 32-5665. A tire I once got from Dean, who sells them on eBay, turned > out to be slightly bigger than the 32-5665, and I had to replace it with > the one from MCM in one of my decks, which if memory serves me right was > a BX-300. The slightly bigger one seems to work OK in the BX-1, BX-2, > MR-2, BX-100, BX-125, and BX-150 and most people getting one from Dean > have had success with it in those decks. I bought 5 of them from Dean > before finding the right one at MCM, and I think they worked in the 2 > head decks, which may not have the same tolerances as the 3-head BX-300. > Adam may use the same one that Dean sells - I'm pretty sure they sell > exactly the same classic transport idler wheel. In the same vein, who is MCM, or who might have the item? > 4. The really nasty possibility is that the reel motor is fried. Of course, that is a truly nasty possibility. But I gather I wouldn't be the first to whom this happened. Everyone else has recovered, so should I. Got a lead to a repair person? (I assume ESL would do the job, based on my short two days reading of the list.) The guy from whom I bought the deck is willing to take it back, but (given what I paid) I think I ought to keep it and invest whatever it takes to make it work. Another BX-300 would probably be twice or three times the money. And there's no guarantee that it would not need a repair as well. Many thanks for the thoughts. Let's see what happens next. Lou From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Feb 6 04:53:55 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:53:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping Message-ID: Hi Lou, I stand corrected about the black washer. I just looked in a BX-100 parts deck I have. Send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, and I'll send you the washer from my BX-100. Shoot me an email at bansijeff at aol dot com PRB belts, including the SCY3.2 are commonly available at electronic parts stores. They are also available from Russell Industries on line I think. MCM can be found at _www.mcminone.com_ (http://www.mcminone.com) Send me a self-addressed stamped envelope and $1 and I'll send you one of their idler wheels. If the deck really needs repair, keep in mind that Jeff Galin at ESL takes well over a year for his priority queue, and God knows how long for a regular repair job. I sent him a ZX-7 for a rebuild in his priority queue more than a year ago, and he doesn't answer my emails inquiring into the status of the job. I also sent him a BX-300 for a regular repair job, and I might die of old age before I get that one back. There are a few other people repairing decks, including Dean who sells the idler wheels on eBay, but if they need parts, that can be a problem. Jeff Galin has all the parts, and he charges top dollar, but of course does a great job, or so I've heard. I'll know more when I actually get one of my decks back. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unioncitizen at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 06:09:30 2007 From: unioncitizen at earthlink.net (unioncitizen at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:09:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C80D8A.4070701@earthlink.net> Thanks so much, Jeff, I'll send you a private e-mail regarding this. Lou B. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Lou, > > I stand corrected about the black washer. I just looked in a BX-100 > parts deck I have. > Send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, and I'll send you the washer > from my BX-100. > Shoot me an email at bansijeff at aol dot com > > PRB belts, including the SCY3.2 are commonly available at electronic > parts stores. They are also available from Russell Industries on line I > think. > > MCM can be found at www.mcminone.com > Send me a self-addressed stamped envelope and $1 and I'll send you one > of their idler wheels. > > If the deck really needs repair, keep in mind that Jeff Galin at ESL > takes well over a year for his priority queue, and God knows how long > for a regular repair job. I sent him a ZX-7 for a rebuild in his > priority queue more than a year ago, and he doesn't answer my emails > inquiring into the status of the job. I also sent him a BX-300 for a > regular repair job, and I might die of old age before I get that one > back. There are a few other people repairing decks, including Dean who > sells the idler wheels on eBay, but if they need parts, that can be a > problem. Jeff Galin has all the parts, and he charges top dollar, but > of course does a great job, or so I've heard. I'll know more when I > actually get one of my decks back. > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Feb 6 09:26:57 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:56:57 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping References: <200702060221.l162KbKl015279@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c749c8$933b6aa0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Lou That washer is integral to the staying put of the tyre. Perhaps because of the new tire it is engaging well enough not to slip off straightaway hence the slightly longer play life. However, you can do a small fix for this. *) If you have any old photographic film or any such thin plastic material, then cut out a small hole and push it into the axle of the tyre (all the time supporting the back so that it doesnt break) and taking it as far back so as to hook into the notch. *) Twisting a small piece of nickel wire. *) Or buying some plastic / metal locks from your electronics parts shop. Best Soumi From manunta at hotmail.com Tue Feb 6 10:13:23 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:13:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website Message-ID: Hi to Naks fans, I must thank Scott Johnson for his thorough comparison of his remote receiver and my remote control system. Indeed, they are two different products, aimed at different users. His is a versatile, complete receiver which joins low cost to nice features. Mine is an item aimed at people who like ease of use and handcraftmanship and don't want to bother with unversal remote, configurations, set-ups, ect. Of course my product is more expensive. Partly, this is due to the fact that I sell in Euros, and the exchange rate against USD is very unfavorable for the latter. Partly, the reason is that manufacture is refined and more complete. Also, I ship a dedicated remote with the receiver. No need to rememeber which key of a VCR remote is used to perform which command on our Nak, everything is clear and easy to use. Also, alas, the price includes 20% VAT for UE buyers. Extra UE buyers will save that amount (that's my fault, I didn't specify it, sorry). But the main reason, maybe less apparent, of the extra cost, is that there is a factory and a company behind the product. My remote control system is CE certified and RoHS compliant. That means that is will not cause disturbances to other equipment and will not be disturbed by them. It also means that it has been tested against high voltage surges and statics, thus it is very unlikely it will be damaged. RoHS compliance means that no dangerous materials have been used to manufacture it, and also means that I'm paying in advance for recycling and disposal of the unit when it will reach the end of its working life (hopefully very late..). This is called quality and care for environment, and I'm sure that many people will appreciate. Moreover, Non-CE and/or non-RoHS products could'n be sold in UE. Another appeal point, I believe, to my product, is that I offer two years warranty in the European Union. This means that should your M2Tech remote control system be defective, I'll replace it, provided the faulty one is returned. My distributor, Eslabs, is responsible for customer support in the USA, please contact him to know more. Scott lists some features of my product, describing them as drawbacks. I have a different point of view. Single code set: true, when you want to operate many different decks in the same room, this can be very boring if all react to the same commands. But, apart that I wonder how many Naks fans operate more than one deck at a time (for what reason should they? Maybe a doulbe blind listening test...), I figured out a scenario in which code sharing is very useful: dubbing. If I put a blank cassette in a Nakamichi deck and a recorded, record-protected cassette in another Nakamichi deck, I can manage dubbing with a single remote. In fact, my system works this way: when I press "RECORD" on the remote, this puts the deck in paused record mode if the cassette is not protected, in paused play mode otherwise. So, after pressing "RECORD", you'll have a deck ready to play and another ready to record. When you press "PLAY", both decks activate and dubbing starts. Pressing "PAUSE" or "STOP" causes simultaneous operation of the decks: a sort of synchro-dubbing is possible. Remote decks: I've tested my remote control system against a Dragon and it worked. I'm waiting for a RX-303 to test the remote against it, but I have no fear there will be any problem. I don't like competition, I'd rather prefere cooperation and completion. I'm not going to change my product to make it more similar to Sott's one. You all can visit both sites and make your idea about both products. I'll be happy to serve all the discerning Naks lovers who have their top class decks and want to give them the best they find around. I'm sure most of our friends in www.naks.com are not the kind of people who buy a Ferrari and then use it with cheap tyres, thus losing the enjoyment of sport driving... Enjoy and stay tuned for more from www.m2tech.com! Marco Manunta _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro ancora. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 6 13:45:14 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:45:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website In-Reply-To: <808912.49510.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <808912.49510.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19606.212.78.164.66.1170765914.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've had the pleasure of testing/using Scott's unit since December 2006 and must say I really like it. It's good looking (as far as one would care about looks of a IR unit), well manufactured and easy to use with the Sony remote for my tv (no need for a Nth remote). It's ability to be used next to my stacked other Naks is more then welcome to me (no need to unplug and plug the unit to another deck). I think everyone should determine their own needs and buy the unit of their needs. Wouter > This one is priced a little high at 89 Euro (about $115.06 USD) plus > shipping and does not give you ability to have more than one remote > controlled tape deck in the same room. At least as far as I can tell. My > remote receiver has the ability to response to 1 of 4 remote code (Sony > Beta VCR, Sony VHS VCR, Sony 8mm VCR and Sony LDP or in future versions > the option of Sony DVD player instead of Sony LDP) This way you can have > multiple units in the same room independantly controlled. Mine also had > the ability to control the RX series as well as the Dragon, you will have > to read on my web site how that is controlled. I don't supply a handheld > remote transmitter with mine because I figured just about everyone has a > universal remote already. Although if you want a remote that is > preprogrammed to control my receiver I have a variety for sale for $15 > each. My remote receiver plugs into the back of the tape deck via a > pigtail connector out the back for $40 plus shipping. > Shipping within the US is $4 and shipping worldwide is $7. Some decks do > not supply power out the standard 8-pin remote jack and will require an > external AC adapter. I can provide this adapter for $6 (US 110VAC wall > plug only). > > The other remote receiver does have one feature that I haven't released > yet and that's power control. I have a number of PC Boards built up > just waiting for code developement. This unit will cost an extra $15 > and will require a little DIY on your part. It will provide power out > to control a 5V relay which you will have to wire up to switch your > mains. Since many of my customer are international I can not make these > mains relay boxes for each country. > > The web site for my remote is > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html > > Scott J. > From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Feb 6 14:01:18 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:01:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website In-Reply-To: <19606.212.78.164.66.1170765914.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200702061303.l16D2a8k028756@zxe.naks.com> Yep, I prefer the discrete black box over a silver box as the black is hidden and not an eye sore to the complement of other black components. Scott's box is easy to set up and works from my Sony Remote Commander. It's a low cost option for someone who doesn't need a dedicated remote. Scotts box works with the RX series NOW which is what I have it connected to. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 6 15:27:50 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:27:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <45C7F4F1.3060501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <864376.22439.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lou, Welcome to the group. I also buy Naks from ebay but almost always I have to do something to them. I recently bought one that was advertised "near mint" The SOB didn't work at all! I almost always have to do an alignment so when you buy off ebay, plan on working on them and hope for the best. Your only protection is paying by pay-pal. Bob unioncitizen at earthlink.net wrote: Hi, Jeff, There certainly was a washer as you describe in front of the wheel, but tire suppliers say there should be one behind it also. See below. My comments are below your comments: Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Lou, > > 1. The washer is supposed to be in the front of the idler, not behind > it. Sometimes they're clear, not black. Not having the washer is > probably enough to make the idler fail. It's a part found in lots of > places on different Naks, including holding the pinch roller assembly on > its axle. Do you know anyone with a parts deck? Both Liberman's instructions and those from a source frequently mentioned here, nakamichi.us (electronics service labs) identify this front washer, but both mention a washer that is supposed to be BEHIND the wheel as well: "7) Lift off the idler hub and watch for a black washer that should be on the bottom of the shaft. If it comes off with the hub, put it back on shaft. [from ESL's instructions for replacement of tire]" No such item was there. > 2. Maybe it needs a tape tension belt. You can use PRB SCY3.2 for > this, I think. Once you're in the area of the idler wheel, the tape > tension belt is easy to replace. OK. I can deal with this, if nothing else works. Where can I find the PRB SCY3.2? > 3. Don't be sure Adam Liberman sent you the right tire. Use MCM's > 32-5665. A tire I once got from Dean, who sells them on eBay, turned > out to be slightly bigger than the 32-5665, and I had to replace it with > the one from MCM in one of my decks, which if memory serves me right was > a BX-300. The slightly bigger one seems to work OK in the BX-1, BX-2, > MR-2, BX-100, BX-125, and BX-150 and most people getting one from Dean > have had success with it in those decks. I bought 5 of them from Dean > before finding the right one at MCM, and I think they worked in the 2 > head decks, which may not have the same tolerances as the 3-head BX-300. > Adam may use the same one that Dean sells - I'm pretty sure they sell > exactly the same classic transport idler wheel. In the same vein, who is MCM, or who might have the item? > 4. The really nasty possibility is that the reel motor is fried. Of course, that is a truly nasty possibility. But I gather I wouldn't be the first to whom this happened. Everyone else has recovered, so should I. Got a lead to a repair person? (I assume ESL would do the job, based on my short two days reading of the list.) The guy from whom I bought the deck is willing to take it back, but (given what I paid) I think I ought to keep it and invest whatever it takes to make it work. Another BX-300 would probably be twice or three times the money. And there's no guarantee that it would not need a repair as well. Many thanks for the thoughts. Let's see what happens next. Lou ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 6 15:37:57 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:37:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <45C7E41E.8050807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206083757.00852420@earthlink.net> As the tape pack size increases, the TU reel rotates more slowly, and the torque required to turn the reel increases. Two possible problems: An undersized tire, or a noisy reel sensor. I do not like the MCM tire. I find it undersized. It will work, but doesn't have much margin for wear. The idler creates pressure by spinning against a slip clutch built in the swing arm. If that clutch is sticky the idler will stall. It is really difficult to remove the reel motor pulley and fix this problem. A noisy reel sensor is easily diagnosed by using a oscilloscope to view the waveform. As a DIY, get the deck in play mode, and snip one cam motor wire (or flip the cam belt off). Now the deck stays in play. If the idler stalls it will continue to spill tape (unplug to stop it). If the reel sensor is bad, the whole tape will play successfully. We "high priced guys" have a number of tricks. I am happy to share some with the group. A NakTalker sent me a "lowly" 480 that is eating my lunch. I wish I had someone to talk to!! It persists in looping tape, as if the supply capstan was running faster than the takeup, or the back tension was too low. I can fix it by using a small belt, however the W/F is too high. Lubricating the reel spindle helped a bit, so I may have some reel friction issues. tom brucker At 09:12 PM 2/5/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a >Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for >a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started >playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would >stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right >side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common >occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the >problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in >California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very >nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it >still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" > >Here are some clues, maybe: > >+++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from >the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I >started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds >before stopping. > >+++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high >500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the >middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before >quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a >completely blank brand new TDK SA. > >+++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is >supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not >to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such >thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the >machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the >unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I >do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured >that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part >somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would >cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that >washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a >part? Is the Pope Catholic? > >I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair >technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind >of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional >tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) >stress. > >Has this happened to you? What did you do? > >Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. > >Lou B. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 16:47:03 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:47:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206083757.00852420@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <757018.21862.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Some times you notice different reasons for reel drive stopping. Once I found the reflective tape behind the reel hub needed cleaning for the sensor to work. That is when the reel hub rotational speed comes down then the sensor stops. I find this could be the problem here. Use alhocol soaked cloth to clean the back of the reel hub (take up side where the sensor is located- careful not to damage any part). Also you may need to adjust the reel drive torque after installing a tire. Check the voltage across reel drive motor terminals( should be atleast about 2 V without a tape and should increase to about 3 to 3.7 Volts when a tape is played. However the voltage will be 6V when FF or REW mode ( this is for BX series decks where discrete circuit is used for reel motor drive). I also noticed a failed sensor ( in that case the deck will not play at all). Finally the reel motor is bad - in this case motor will work for FF and REW Kannan Hi Tech wrote: As the tape pack size increases, the TU reel rotates more slowly, and the torque required to turn the reel increases. Two possible problems: An undersized tire, or a noisy reel sensor. I do not like the MCM tire. I find it undersized. It will work, but doesn't have much margin for wear. The idler creates pressure by spinning against a slip clutch built in the swing arm. If that clutch is sticky the idler will stall. It is really difficult to remove the reel motor pulley and fix this problem. A noisy reel sensor is easily diagnosed by using a oscilloscope to view the waveform. As a DIY, get the deck in play mode, and snip one cam motor wire (or flip the cam belt off). Now the deck stays in play. If the idler stalls it will continue to spill tape (unplug to stop it). If the reel sensor is bad, the whole tape will play successfully. We "high priced guys" have a number of tricks. I am happy to share some with the group. A NakTalker sent me a "lowly" 480 that is eating my lunch. I wish I had someone to talk to!! It persists in looping tape, as if the supply capstan was running faster than the takeup, or the back tension was too low. I can fix it by using a small belt, however the W/F is too high. Lubricating the reel spindle helped a bit, so I may have some reel friction issues. tom brucker At 09:12 PM 2/5/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a >Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for >a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started >playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would >stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right >side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common >occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the >problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in >California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very >nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it >still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" > >Here are some clues, maybe: > >+++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from >the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I >started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds >before stopping. > >+++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high >500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the >middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before >quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a >completely blank brand new TDK SA. > >+++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is >supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not >to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such >thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the >machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the >unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I >do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured >that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part >somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would >cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that >washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a >part? Is the Pope Catholic? > >I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair >technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind >of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional >tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) >stress. > >Has this happened to you? What did you do? > >Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. > >Lou B. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 6 17:29:20 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:29:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <757018.21862.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070206162920.59935.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Would that be the same for the MR1? Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Some times you notice different reasons for reel drive stopping. Once I found the reflective tape behind the reel hub needed cleaning for the sensor to work. That is when the reel hub rotational speed comes down then the sensor stops. I find this could be the problem here. Use alhocol soaked cloth to clean the back of the reel hub (take up side where the sensor is located- careful not to damage any part). Also you may need to adjust the reel drive torque after installing a tire. Check the voltage across reel drive motor terminals( should be atleast about 2 V without a tape and should increase to about 3 to 3.7 Volts when a tape is played. However the voltage will be 6V when FF or REW mode ( this is for BX series decks where discrete circuit is used for reel motor drive). I also noticed a failed sensor ( in that case the deck will not play at all). Finally the reel motor is bad - in this case motor will work for FF and REW Kannan Hi Tech wrote: As the tape pack size increases, the TU reel rotates more slowly, and the torque required to turn the reel increases. Two possible problems: An undersized tire, or a noisy reel sensor. I do not like the MCM tire. I find it undersized. It will work, but doesn't have much margin for wear. The idler creates pressure by spinning against a slip clutch built in the swing arm. If that clutch is sticky the idler will stall. It is really difficult to remove the reel motor pulley and fix this problem. A noisy reel sensor is easily diagnosed by using a oscilloscope to view the waveform. As a DIY, get the deck in play mode, and snip one cam motor wire (or flip the cam belt off). Now the deck stays in play. If the idler stalls it will continue to spill tape (unplug to stop it). If the reel sensor is bad, the whole tape will play successfully. We "high priced guys" have a number of tricks. I am happy to share some with the group. A NakTalker sent me a "lowly" 480 that is eating my lunch. I wish I had someone to talk to!! It persists in looping tape, as if the supply capstan was running faster than the takeup, or the back tension was too low. I can fix it by using a small belt, however the W/F is too high. Lubricating the reel spindle helped a bit, so I may have some reel friction issues. tom brucker At 09:12 PM 2/5/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a >Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for >a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started >playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would >stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right >side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common >occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the >problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in >California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very >nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it >still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" > >Here are some clues, maybe: > >+++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from >the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I >started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds >before stopping. > >+++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high >500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the >middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before >quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a >completely blank brand new TDK SA. > >+++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is >supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not >to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such >thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the >machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the >unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I >do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured >that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part >somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would >cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that >washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a >part? Is the Pope Catholic? > >I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair >technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind >of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional >tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) >stress. > >Has this happened to you? What did you do? > >Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. > >Lou B. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 17:41:32 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:41:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <20070206162920.59935.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <832749.30427.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes - MR1 is modified BX300, try these other possibilities. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Kannan, Would that be the same for the MR1? Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Some times you notice different reasons for reel drive stopping. Once I found the reflective tape behind the reel hub needed cleaning for the sensor to work. That is when the reel hub rotational speed comes down then the sensor stops. I find this could be the problem here. Use alhocol soaked cloth to clean the back of the reel hub (take up side where the sensor is located- careful not to damage any part). Also you may need to adjust the reel drive torque after installing a tire. Check the voltage across reel drive motor terminals( should be atleast about 2 V without a tape and should increase to about 3 to 3.7 Volts when a tape is played. However the voltage will be 6V when FF or REW mode ( this is for BX series decks where discrete circuit is used for reel motor drive). I also noticed a failed sensor ( in that case the deck will not play at all). Finally the reel motor is bad - in this case motor will work for FF and REW Kannan Hi Tech wrote: As the tape pack size increases, the TU reel rotates more slowly, and the torque required to turn the reel increases. Two possible problems: An undersized tire, or a noisy reel sensor. I do not like the MCM tire. I find it undersized. It will work, but doesn't have much margin for wear. The idler creates pressure by spinning against a slip clutch built in the swing arm. If that clutch is sticky the idler will stall. It is really difficult to remove the reel motor pulley and fix this problem. A noisy reel sensor is easily diagnosed by using a oscilloscope to view the waveform. As a DIY, get the deck in play mode, and snip one cam motor wire (or flip the cam belt off). Now the deck stays in play. If the idler stalls it will continue to spill tape (unplug to stop it). If the reel sensor is bad, the whole tape will play successfully. We "high priced guys" have a number of tricks. I am happy to share some with the group. A NakTalker sent me a "lowly" 480 that is eating my lunch. I wish I had someone to talk to!! It persists in looping tape, as if the supply capstan was running faster than the takeup, or the back tension was too low. I can fix it by using a small belt, however the W/F is too high. Lubricating the reel spindle helped a bit, so I may have some reel friction issues. tom brucker At 09:12 PM 2/5/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a >Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for >a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started >playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would >stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right >side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common >occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the >problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in >California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very >nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it >still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" > >Here are some clues, maybe: > >+++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from >the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I >started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds >before stopping. > >+++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high >500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the >middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before >quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a >completely blank brand new TDK SA. > >+++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is >supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not >to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such >thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the >machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the >unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I >do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured >that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part >somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would >cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that >washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a >part? Is the Pope Catholic? > >I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair >technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind >of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional >tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) >stress. > >Has this happened to you? What did you do? > >Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. > >Lou B. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Feb 6 20:49:32 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:19:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Thread response ? References: <200702061631.l16GVY9j000793@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005801c74a27$eecc60e0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi All Still awaiting people's contribution towards this thread : http://soumitrab.com/Naks/YaBB.pl?num=1170664355/0#0 Thanks in Advance. Best Soumi From charlesp at darwin.sfbr.org Tue Feb 6 20:57:26 2007 From: charlesp at darwin.sfbr.org (Charles Peterson) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:57:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon In-Reply-To: <200702061631.l16GVY9i000793@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702061631.l16GVY9i000793@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45C8DDA6.9050707@darwin.sfbr.org> This is what worries me about Scott Johnson's remote: the bug that affects RX-303, RX-505, and Dragon. The website still warns about this bug: >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, RX-505 and the Dragon. For these decks, do not power off the deck with the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not received a reply to that email. It sounds like the alternative remote does not have this problem. Charles > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:01:18 -0500 >From: "DM2" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Message-ID: <200702061303.l16D2a8k028756 at zxe.naks.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Yep, I prefer the discrete black box over a silver box as the black is >hidden and not an eye sore to the complement of other black components. >Scott's box is easy to set up and works from my Sony Remote Commander. It's >a low cost option for someone who doesn't need a dedicated remote. Scotts >box works with the RX series NOW which is what I have it connected to. > From DM2 at marctronixx.com Tue Feb 6 21:28:55 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:28:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon In-Reply-To: <45C8DDA6.9050707@darwin.sfbr.org> Message-ID: <200702062030.l16KUCUd004486@zxe.naks.com> Hmm.. I have the 505 connected to scotts toy and I just powered the deck down.. seems nothing happened... let me power it back up....... lights up.... tape spools move.... tape plays..... sound comes out... don't smell any burning thus far or anything not working as it should. It was shut off for a few seconds.... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Charles Peterson > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:57 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon > > This is what worries me about Scott Johnson's remote: the bug that > affects RX-303, RX-505, and Dragon. The website still warns about this > bug: > > >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, > RX-505 and the Dragon. For these decks, do not power off the deck with > the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code > that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is > available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when > the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control > CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be > open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< > > So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote > first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It > seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not > want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. > > I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested > in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not > received a reply to that email. > > It sounds like the alternative remote does not have this problem. > > Charles > > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:01:18 -0500 > >From: "DM2" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Message-ID: <200702061303.l16D2a8k028756 at zxe.naks.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Yep, I prefer the discrete black box over a silver box as the black is > >hidden and not an eye sore to the complement of other black components. > >Scott's box is easy to set up and works from my Sony Remote Commander. > It's > >a low cost option for someone who doesn't need a dedicated remote. Scotts > >box works with the RX series NOW which is what I have it connected to. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 21:55:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:55:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45C8EB32.6070109@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record > headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud > transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use > cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. > I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ > MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating > parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and > motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. > Bang & Olufsen > demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the > flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same > size. But the capstans are not, so B&O's views are adopted in Nak decks. This is the distributed resonance that Nakamichi was touting. I've listened to the B&O 5000 (and compared side by side to the 582) and -- as nice as it was -- it had nothing on Nak decks. > I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of > the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire > skip-slip of the Sankyo. The Sankyo transport does NOT slip the idler tire. Rather, the reel motor is driven with low voltage, providing *electrical* slip. This is far, far smoother and infinitely superiour to the *mechanical* slip of old style transports. > I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make > measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I > will just fall back on theory. That's OK, but you really should base the theoretical conclusions on accurate data. -- Ron > BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought > to give this classic a listen! > At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: >> Hi Jeff and everyone else, >> >> I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about >> it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >> RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I >> did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & >> Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in >> to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 >> is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >> CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. >> >> I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >> storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >> borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 >> is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >> better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a >> lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 >> and CR-7. >> >> Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >> the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 22:07:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:07:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C8EDFA.7040805@rcn.com> Speed variation with time is normal, though yours is a bit too much. Certainly, temperature is a factor, as is the condition of the speed trim pot. Adjusting a BX-300 to exactly 3000Hz is fairly difficult. I can usually set it to +/- 15Hz with little trouble. But even as you adjust, tap the pot and it jumps by 10-30Hz... I improved speed constancy in an MR-1 by replacing the pot with a 10 turn one. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Guys,* > *Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the > tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A > few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. > Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions?* > *Thanks, Bob* > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 22:18:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:18:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <45C8F08B.7050100@rcn.com> From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, that use the same transport. From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO SPEC. -- Ron Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: > Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has > marginally greater W&F than the other decks. > > Adrian From lenaw at flash.net Tue Feb 6 22:28:10 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <45C8F08B.7050100@rcn.com> Message-ID: <418553.24504.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the 582, " W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS ". This means that W&F number will be even higher in term of WTD PEAK. Is that true? Mike Ron wrote: >From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, that use the same transport. >From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO SPEC. -- Ron Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: > Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has > marginally greater W&F than the other decks. > > Adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 22:35:01 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45C8F485.3050603@rcn.com> Tom, I am trying to follow your rationale here, with little success... You reject W&F weighted measurements, then complain that the measurements do not reflect *audible* W&F. But weighting was designed expressly for better correlation with audibility. Weighted specs are far more meaningful for music recorders (though not for, say instrumentation recorders). Using these specs, the Sankyo transport is just as good (actually, better) than the classic one. Before choosing the CR-7 over the Dragon, I carefully compared them side by side, listening, along with music, to piano solo (that I prefer to strings for this purpose) and found the CR-7 just as good. Your mileage obviously varies :-). -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Specs and actual measurements are two different things. Your data all > contains the term "less than". Here's what is behind the W/F game. > > W/F are variations in speed. These variations have their own frequencies. > Drift is the lowest frequency , followed by wow, up to 12-15 Hz, and > flutter >15 Hz. A deck might have 3.7Hz from a flywheel, 7.4Hz from a > motor, 11.2 Hz from a pinch roller, 14.8 Hz from bearing wobble, 21.6 Hz > from belt stretch, 37Hz from tape stick-slip, all in different amplitudes > and all lumped together as Wow and Flutter. Some standards people got > together and decided some flutter frequencies are MORE AUDIBLE than others, > so they instituted "weighting" WRMS is a weighted spec, as are JIS and DIN > specs. Each weighted measurement yields different numbers, because each > deck has a unique set of speed variation frequencies. JIS ignores the > higher frequencies, WRMS is in the middle, and DIN has the broadest filter > window. > If you have followed this so far, then take the next step. Try measuring > UNweighted , or better yet, Unweighted peak. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer > is a rather unique instrument to evaluate decks, and what I see on the > classic Nak transport is the lowest peak Un weighted W/F . That is the > measurement story. > There is a HUGE public problem with specs....rarely do they correlate > with what we hear. Try recording a solo violin on both classic and Sankyo > decks. In playback, you will hear what sounds like a better tone on the > classic deck. The ear can pick out the added high peak flutter on string > sounds easily. This to me is the best test. > I like the mention of the BIB test tape with the piano recording to > evaluate Wow. That is an excellent audible test. > > Your point about belts is very well taken. I am trying to have custom Nak > belts made for the classic mech . so there may be hope. > Ironically, no W/F test tape exists with residual less than 0.04% WRMS, so > those low numbers on the newer decks are all a marketing game that Nak > decided to play. > > I call W/F a "game" because the manufacturers have always played > specification battles. The JIS standard makes every cheap Japanase plastic > flywheel deck spec better than a European Tandberg or B&O, which use the > DIN wtd Peak standard. You know which sounds better; the specs "play a > lying game" misunderstood by those who do not know the "rest of the story". > > BTW for all trying to set tape speed with a frequency counter, the > counter is measuring an instantaneous speed sample, and peak flutter and > wow will produce some high numbers. You have to average a lot of readings, > or set the gate time long if you have the option. The proper tool is a > wow/flutter/ speed meter or Nak T100, which measures very long averages > through analog means. The frequency counter method is a work-around since > W/F meters are not generally availible. > > tom brucker > > At 01:12 PM 2/5/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower > wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of > course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. > > Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - > > Direct Drive models - > Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak > ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak > BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same > for CR-4 and MR-1) > > Classic Transport > ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak > 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak > LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak > 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak > > So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading > all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also > way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. > > And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs > above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive > belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. > The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic > PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic > belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic > transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will > not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. > > The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as > follows - > Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) > Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) > Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) > > Hope this helps, > > Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Tue Feb 6 22:39:12 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:39:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: <14717803.1170797952316.JavaMail.root@web20> I just looked up my 680zx...specs @1-7/8ips Less than 0.08 WTD Peak Less than 0.04WTD RMS I am 60 years old, and if you guys can hear the difference more power to you. I am just glad we have naks to listen too. Whether they are Sanyo or Classic transport's, Nakamichi made some "Mighty Fine Recorders"; and we are all lucky to have the ones we do... John ---- Ron wrote: > > From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: > W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, > that use the same transport. > > From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: > W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO > SPEC. > > -- Ron > > > > > Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: > > Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has > > marginally greater W&F than the other decks. > > > > Adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 23:28:20 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:28:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx-300 installed new idler tire, but still stopping In-Reply-To: <45C7E41E.8050807@earthlink.net> References: <45C7E41E.8050807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45C90104.3050008@rcn.com> If the deck FF and REW well for a full cassette, side to side, the problem is not with the new tire or a missing washer. Two things come to mind. First, while replacing the idler, the deck should be cleaned and lubricated. Specifically, the outside surface of the idler and the matching surfaces on the hubs should be left squeaky clean. The idler pivot should get one drop of oil. Second, the reel motor may have developed a dead spot, in which case it should be replaced. This is far more expensive than the idler tire... -- Ron unioncitizen at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new here, and new to the ownership of a(n) ebay purchase: a > Nakamichi BX-300. Got it home the other day and found it would play for > a few seconds to a minute or two (depending on whether I started > playback in the middle of the tape or the beginning) and then it would > stop -- with a loop of tape hanging out of the cassette on the right > side. I found this group pretty quickly and saw that this is a common > occurrence with this deck. I concluded that the idler wheel was the > problem. I obtained a rubber wheel/tire for same from Liberman sound in > California. It arrived today, and I installed it. The machine ran very > nicely for much longer than it had after I received it last week. But it > still stopped running. Of course, the question is, "what to do?" > > Here are some clues, maybe: > > +++Before the changed tire, the machine would run a tape started from > the beginning until counter reached about 190. Then it would quit. If I > started the tape in the middle, it would go for maybe 10 or 20 seconds > before stopping. > > +++After the tire change today, it runs to a counter reading of high > 500s to over 600 from the beginning before stopping. If started in the > middle, it only runs a few seconds to about half a minute before > quitting. This is the result whether I use a pre-recorded tape or a > completely blank brand new TDK SA. > > +++The tire installation instructions mention a black washer that is > supposed to be on the shaft behind the idler wheel. One is cautioned not > to lose the washer. But the washer was not there. Not at all. No such > thing was on the shaft, and no such thing fell from the shaft into the > machine or onto the floor when I removed the wheel. I reassembled the > unit without the washer hoping it would work anyway (what else could I > do in that circumstance? And it did work, after a fashion.). I figured > that if it failed to operate, I could track down the additional part > somewhere. Could its absence be causing un-necessary friction that would > cause the mechanism to stop? Do some versions of this model lack that > washer? If the washer is likely the problem, where might I obtain such a > part? Is the Pope Catholic? > > I know I could send this machine on to one or more expensive repair > technicians for overhaul, and I will do that if I have to, but I'm kind > of hoping that my modest (so far) investment will lead to a functional > tape deck without too much more budgetary (and, more importantly, time) > stress. > > Has this happened to you? What did you do? > > Many thanks in advance for any thoughts. > > Lou B. From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Feb 6 23:29:36 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:29:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote Message-ID: <000a01c74a3e$4b8df210$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Charles, I too have been using one of Scott's remotes with my RX-505 for a couple of months now. At his suggestion, I leave the remote sensor powered on at all times. It works all functions including reverse perfectly, and without any problems to the deck. I am using it with a Sony RMT-191A remote I picked up on Ebay, but it also works fine with a Sony universal remote I have. His jumper system to employ different remotes is very effective. The version I have also operates my Dragon perfectly, and all of my CR-x decks (but it requires external power for these due, I think, to a voltage feed difference at the DIN jack). My version does not operate my 670ZX or 682ZX, but I believe Scott is working on that for the next version also. This remote is quite good.....especially for the price Scott is charging. Robert Kent Charles wrote: >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, >>> >the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code >that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is >available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when >the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control >CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be >open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< >So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote >first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It >seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not >want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. >I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested >in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not >received a reply to that email. >Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Feb 6 23:38:23 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:38:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote ???? Message-ID: <22404231.1170801503658.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml09> Okay, it appears that I totally missed the location of where one can view Scott's remote. Anyone have the web address please? From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 23:40:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:40:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <418553.24504.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <418553.24504.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C903CE.209@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > For the 582, " W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS ". This means that W&F number will be > even higher in term of WTD PEAK. Is that true? Oops... It should have said, 0.1% *peak*, NOT RMS. Sorry about that. -- Ron > > > Mike > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: > W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, > that use the same transport. > > From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: > W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO > SPEC. > > -- Ron > > > > > Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: > > Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has > > marginally greater W&F than the other decks. > > > > Adrian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 23:51:19 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:51:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon In-Reply-To: <200702062030.l16KUCUd004486@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <374023.2378.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The bug ONLY effects the first unit I sent to Wouter. Your unit is fine. DM2 wrote: Hmm.. I have the 505 connected to scotts toy and I just powered the deck down.. seems nothing happened... let me power it back up....... lights up.... tape spools move.... tape plays..... sound comes out... don't smell any burning thus far or anything not working as it should. It was shut off for a few seconds.... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Charles Peterson > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:57 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon > > This is what worries me about Scott Johnson's remote: the bug that > affects RX-303, RX-505, and Dragon. The website still warns about this > bug: > > >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, > RX-505 and the Dragon. For these decks, do not power off the deck with > the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code > that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is > available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when > the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control > CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be > open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< > > So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote > first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It > seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not > want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. > > I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested > in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not > received a reply to that email. > > It sounds like the alternative remote does not have this problem. > > Charles > > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:01:18 -0500 > >From: "DM2" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website > >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >Message-ID: <200702061303.l16D2a8k028756 at zxe.naks.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Yep, I prefer the discrete black box over a silver box as the black is > >hidden and not an eye sore to the complement of other black components. > >Scott's box is easy to set up and works from my Sony Remote Commander. > It's > >a low cost option for someone who doesn't need a dedicated remote. Scotts > >box works with the RX series NOW which is what I have it connected to. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 6 23:56:14 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Scott's Remote In-Reply-To: <000a01c74a3e$4b8df210$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <280356.3574.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The latest version is now available that works with the 670/680 series decks. My web site should be updated by tomorrow morning. I will be offering universal remotes that are preprogrammed to my units internal jumper settings. Again my web site is http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html Check it tomorrow after the update. SJ rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Charles, I too have been using one of Scott’s remotes with my RX-505 for a couple of months now. At his suggestion, I leave the remote sensor powered on at all times. It works all functions including reverse perfectly, and without any problems to the deck. I am using it with a Sony RMT-191A remote I picked up on Ebay, but it also works fine with a Sony universal remote I have. His jumper system to employ different remotes is very effective. The version I have also operates my Dragon perfectly, and all of my CR-x decks (but it requires external power for these due, I think, to a voltage feed difference at the DIN jack). My version does not operate my 670ZX or 682ZX, but I believe Scott is working on that for the next version also. This remote is quite good.....especially for the price Scott is charging. Robert Kent Charles wrote: >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, >>> >the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code >that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is >available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when >the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control >CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be >open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< >So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote >first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It >seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not >want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. >I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested >in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not >received a reply to that email. >Charles ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Feb 6 23:58:55 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:58:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon In-Reply-To: <200702062030.l16KUCUd004486@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702062030.l16KUCUd004486@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I would be interested to hear S.J.'s reply on that bug .My unit, the RX303 would be affected. I do like the fact that I an use two '303's together in a Dual Dubbing mode with the other remote. That would be the penultimate in convienience; Auto-reverse and R.C. dual dubbing on a NAK '303! 90 minutes record time ( with the near-instant flip of tape from the unit) all from the comfort of your couch!! Maybe look into some leaderless tape for that. On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:28:55 -0600, DM2 wrote: > Hmm.. I have the 505 connected to scotts toy and I just powered the deck > down.. seems nothing happened... let me power it back up....... lights > up.... tape spools move.... tape plays..... sound comes out... don't > smell > any burning thus far or anything not working as it should. It was shut > off > for a few seconds.... > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Charles Peterson >> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:57 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Bug in Scott Johnson's remote for RX and Dragon >> >> This is what worries me about Scott Johnson's remote: the bug that >> affects RX-303, RX-505, and Dragon. The website still warns about this >> bug: >> >> >>> On version 1.19 of the code there is a bug that affects the RX-303, >> RX-505 and the Dragon. For these decks, do not power off the deck with >> the remote receiver powered. I am working on another version of the code >> that will fix this bug. I will send out an upgraded chip when it is >> available. What happens is the remote receiver outputs are at +5V when >> the deck is unpowered and current will flow into the transport control >> CPUs inputs pins. The updated code will change the remotes outputs to be >> open drain and not drive current into the deck. <<< >> >> So what happens if you power off deck but forget to power off the remote >> first? Does the current flow into the deck and damage the deck? It >> seems to me this is a catastrophe waiting to happen, and I would not >> want to have a unit, even temporarily, with such a bug. >> >> I emailed Scott about this two months ago and said I would be interested >> in buying his remote once he gets this bug fixed. I have still not >> received a reply to that email. >> >> It sounds like the alternative remote does not have this problem. >> >> Charles >> >> > >> >Message: 2 >> >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:01:18 -0500 >> >From: "DM2" >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] New pictures of my remote control on my website >> >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> >Message-ID: <200702061303.l16D2a8k028756 at zxe.naks.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> > >> >Yep, I prefer the discrete black box over a silver box as the black is >> >hidden and not an eye sore to the complement of other black components. >> >Scott's box is easy to set up and works from my Sony Remote Commander. >> It's >> >a low cost option for someone who doesn't need a dedicated remote. >> Scotts >> >box works with the RX series NOW which is what I have it connected to. >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thread response ? In-Reply-To: <005801c74a27$eecc60e0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200702061631.l16GVY9j000793@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853e60@earthlink.net> I measured A=24mm B=49 mm for the top arm, and A=18mm B=52mm for the bottom arm. I have used a 20 cent ruler, not having any precision tools. I can't make any sense of the other measurements and cannot measure angles. This gauge is almost never used. Only the 250/350 500/550 600 needed stroke check gauges. tom brucker At 01:19 AM 2/7/07 +0530, you wrote: >Hi All >Still awaiting people's contribution towards this thread : >http://soumitrab.com/Naks/YaBB.pl?num=1170664355/0#0 > >Thanks in Advance. > >Best >Soumi >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] speed adjustment In-Reply-To: <45C8EDFA.7040805@rcn.com> References: <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <145151.30263.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853db0@earthlink.net> Ron, You can tap any mechanism and the W/F changes by 1 or 2 % . Kinda makes you want to lock your deck in a sound proof room! I have seen many people use a 10 turn pot. Popular mod. tom brucker At 04:07 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Speed variation with time is normal, though yours is a bit >too much. > >Certainly, temperature is a factor, as is the condition of >the speed trim pot. Adjusting a BX-300 to exactly 3000Hz >is fairly difficult. I can usually set it to +/- 15Hz with >little trouble. But even as you adjust, tap the pot and it >jumps by 10-30Hz... I improved speed constancy in an MR-1 >by replacing the pot with a 10 turn one. > >-- Ron > > > >Bob Naylor wrote: >> *Guys,* >> *Can the tape speed vary by temperature or??? Example, I adjusted the >> tape speed with Luis' 3khz tape and got a CR3A to a freq of 3006hz. A >> few service manuals I have for other machines say plus or minus 15hz. >> Checking it a few days later I get 3050hz. Any opinions?* >> *Thanks, Bob* >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]Further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: <45C8EB32.6070109@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853310@earthlink.net> I enjoy this group because everyone thinks in depth. I welcome debate...that is how we learn. Often times we make simple statements that others may dispute, and the debate is ok, but it shall never become a contest. Let's all learn from this. Capstan diameter in dual decks always uses a smaller supply side (by a very tiny amount) capstan to provide back tension. The difference is so small that the flutter frequencies must be very similar. B & O built a flutter meter with a variable low frequency filter to measure the flutter and wow frequencies. I wish I had one. I assume the BC 8000, 8500 and 9000 also used distributed resonance, however it has been so long since I have worked on one I don't know if they would compare sonically. The BC 5000 was an average deck sonically, I agree, but it was this design principle that they taught us while training for this model. You are correct about the Sankyo reel motor torque, however, the tire does slip, because that is what wears it out. The torque requirement to turn the TU reel rises and speed drops as the tape is played, so there has to be some stick/slip introduced. All consumer electronics are engineered to balance performance and cost. I like the felt clutch better than the idler. One could argue both produce stick/slip flutter. The question is ; which produces the lowest frequence, lowest peak amplitude flutter? No one would argue that the mechanism that found its way into the ZX7 has an inferior reel drive clutch to the Sankyo mechanism would they? Nakamichi very much had to engineer decks for cost savings at retail. When we sold 480s easily, the BX1 was suddenly introduced and a lower price point. Both transport lines were built, offering customers a budget level Nak or a cost is no object Nak. I wish there was some test equipment on hand to measure this stuff. The good news is all the mechanisms Nakamichi used or built are excellent. Small differences exist as they must. That engineering data has not been published for us to cite, unfortunately. tom brucker At 03:55 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tech wrote: >> One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record >> headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud >> transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use >> cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. >> I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ >> MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating >> parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and >> motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. > > > Bang & Olufsen >> demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the >> flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same >> size. > >But the capstans are not, so B&O's views are adopted in Nak >decks. This is the distributed resonance that Nakamichi was >touting. I've listened to the B&O 5000 (and compared side >by side to the 582) and -- as nice as it was -- it had >nothing on Nak decks. > >> I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of >> the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire >> skip-slip of the Sankyo. > >The Sankyo transport does NOT slip the idler tire. Rather, >the reel motor is driven with low voltage, providing >*electrical* slip. This is far, far smoother and >infinitely superiour to the *mechanical* slip of old style transports. > >> I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make >> measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I >> will just fall back on theory. > >That's OK, but you really should base the theoretical >conclusions on accurate data. > >-- Ron > > >> BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought >> to give this classic a listen! >> At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: >>> Hi Jeff and everyone else, >>> >>> I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt about >>> it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >>> RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my BX-300, I >>> did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by Bowers & >>> Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! Listeng in >>> to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the BX-300 >>> is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >>> CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. >>> >>> I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >>> storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >>> borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the CD1.5 >>> is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >>> better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 leave a >>> lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, RX-505 >>> and CR-7. >>> >>> Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >>> the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) >> Tom Brucker CSM >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: <45C8F485.3050603@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175650.00853e00@earthlink.net> Ron, I often write like "Mr. know-it-all". I know I leave lots of room for discussion, and I should be less pompous. In a news group we just don't have the time to write in a consistent and accurate fashion. You have to meet me to understand. I come from the "Absolute Sound" (the journal, now magazine) school that finds no correlation between specs and sound quality. That is what I was trying to share with everyone. Have you ever looked at plasma tv "contrast ratio" specs?? Do you know that there is no standard for measuring this, so the marketing departments just make up a number that sounds better than their competition? The same silliness goes on in audio. It is almost tradition. My luxury is having a Nak T100 on my service bench. It has been there 25 years. I have looked at W/F measurements on every deck I've serviced. I began to form my wacky, inconsistent opinions when I measured Un weighted , and could see visually what the deck was actually doing. I want a deck with minimum peak flutter. Yes, audibility ought to be an issue, but which W/F filter standard is correct? They can't all be can they? In an absolute sense, my deck should produce 0% W/F. That would be inaudible. Masking and filtering are physio-psycho techniques that make music sound better when transferred in a noisy medium. Dolby is exactly this. You have done 100% the correct thing, make a choice based on sound. A trained listener can hear all sorts of things on a high resolution stereo. I can hear things even with a crappy stereo. One huge advantage CD has over tape is the absence of Wow (they have flutter, but it is pretty small). Quite a few people can hear the differences. For arguments sake lets say the classic deck has more Wow and the Sankyo has more flutter. On music, the classic will sound better with harpsichords and violins, while the Sankyo will sound better with organ and piano. The two decks could have exactly the same measured W/F, yet sound different when we use them. tom brucker At 04:35 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Tom, I am trying to follow your rationale here, with little >success... You reject W&F weighted measurements, then >complain that the measurements do not reflect *audible* W&F. >But weighting was designed expressly for better correlation >with audibility. Weighted specs are far more meaningful for >music recorders (though not for, say instrumentation >recorders). Using these specs, the Sankyo transport is just >as good (actually, better) than the classic one. > >Before choosing the CR-7 over the Dragon, I carefully >compared them side by side, listening, along with music, to >piano solo (that I prefer to strings for this purpose) and >found the CR-7 just as good. Your mileage obviously varies >:-). > >-- Ron > > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Specs and actual measurements are two different things. Your data all >> contains the term "less than". Here's what is behind the W/F game. >> >> W/F are variations in speed. These variations have their own frequencies. >> Drift is the lowest frequency , followed by wow, up to 12-15 Hz, and >> flutter >15 Hz. A deck might have 3.7Hz from a flywheel, 7.4Hz from a >> motor, 11.2 Hz from a pinch roller, 14.8 Hz from bearing wobble, 21.6 Hz >> from belt stretch, 37Hz from tape stick-slip, all in different amplitudes >> and all lumped together as Wow and Flutter. Some standards people got >> together and decided some flutter frequencies are MORE AUDIBLE than others, >> so they instituted "weighting" WRMS is a weighted spec, as are JIS and DIN >> specs. Each weighted measurement yields different numbers, because each >> deck has a unique set of speed variation frequencies. JIS ignores the >> higher frequencies, WRMS is in the middle, and DIN has the broadest filter >> window. >> If you have followed this so far, then take the next step. Try measuring >> UNweighted , or better yet, Unweighted peak. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer >> is a rather unique instrument to evaluate decks, and what I see on the >> classic Nak transport is the lowest peak Un weighted W/F . That is the >> measurement story. >> There is a HUGE public problem with specs....rarely do they correlate >> with what we hear. Try recording a solo violin on both classic and Sankyo >> decks. In playback, you will hear what sounds like a better tone on the >> classic deck. The ear can pick out the added high peak flutter on string >> sounds easily. This to me is the best test. >> I like the mention of the BIB test tape with the piano recording to >> evaluate Wow. That is an excellent audible test. >> >> Your point about belts is very well taken. I am trying to have custom Nak >> belts made for the classic mech . so there may be hope. >> Ironically, no W/F test tape exists with residual less than 0.04% WRMS, so >> those low numbers on the newer decks are all a marketing game that Nak >> decided to play. >> >> I call W/F a "game" because the manufacturers have always played >> specification battles. The JIS standard makes every cheap Japanase plastic >> flywheel deck spec better than a European Tandberg or B&O, which use the >> DIN wtd Peak standard. You know which sounds better; the specs "play a >> lying game" misunderstood by those who do not know the "rest of the story". >> >> BTW for all trying to set tape speed with a frequency counter, the >> counter is measuring an instantaneous speed sample, and peak flutter and >> wow will produce some high numbers. You have to average a lot of readings, >> or set the gate time long if you have the option. The proper tool is a >> wow/flutter/ speed meter or Nak T100, which measures very long averages >> through analog means. The frequency counter method is a work-around since >> W/F meters are not generally availible. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 01:12 PM 2/5/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Y'all, >> >> Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower >> wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of >> course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. >> >> Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - >> >> Direct Drive models - >> Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak >> ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak >> BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same >> for CR-4 and MR-1) >> >> Classic Transport >> ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak >> 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak >> LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak >> 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak >> >> So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading >> all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also >> way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. >> >> And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs >> above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive >> belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. >> The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic >> PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic >> belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic >> transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will >> not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. >> >> The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as >> follows - >> Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) >> Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) >> Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Jeff >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From luis at peromarta.org Wed Feb 7 10:58:28 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:58:28 +0100 Subject: Gauges measurements - was: [naktalk] Thread response ? In-Reply-To: <005801c74a27$eecc60e0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200702061631.l16GVY9j000793@zxe.naks.com> <005801c74a27$eecc60e0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45C9A2C4.2040801@peromarta.org> I think the unit(s) has to be dismantled, and carefullly measure to 1/10th of mm. and then drawed on a-cad or u-station. The springs have to be equally measured, # turns, diamenter, thread diameter, and natural lengh, so new springs can be ordered. My dad has just retired, he's got a masters degree in mechanical eng., and has spent his entire life designing and manufacturing wagon trains. He voulnteers to do it, but of course would need a lend of a unit(s). I promise to return them in inmaculate condition ;) Best rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi All > Still awaiting people's contribution towards this thread : > http://soumitrab.com/Naks/YaBB.pl?num=1170664355/0#0 > > Thanks in Advance. > > Best > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 7 21:15:12 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:15:12 EST Subject: [naktalk]further flutter thoughts Message-ID: Hi Folks, One problem I have with Tom's postings about the wow-and-flutter specs is that Tom seems to segregate Nak decks into 2 categories, "classic transport" and "Sankyo transport" as he does in this posting. The MR-2, BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 are single-capstan "Sankyo" transports, but the BX-300 and CR-4 are two-capstan, direct drive machines which should not be lumped into the same category as the inferior 2-head, 1-capstan decks. They have better, not worse, wow-and-flutter readings than the classic decks on every T-100 I have ever heard of, except apparently Tom's. The "Sankyo" mechanism is just part of the transport, and the very superior direct-drive motors and 2-capstan strategy of the BX-300 and CR-4 are a big part of their performance. Tom is really talking about 1-capstan machines versus 2-capstan machines, and seems to lump the BX-300 into the 1 capstan group, which it isn't. Jeff In a message dated 2/7/2007 11:25:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Ron, I often write like "Mr. know-it-all". I know I leave lots of room for discussion, and I should be less pompous. In a news group we just don't have the time to write in a consistent and accurate fashion. You have to meet me to understand. I come from the "Absolute Sound" (the journal, now magazine) school that finds no correlation between specs and sound quality. That is what I was trying to share with everyone. Have you ever looked at plasma tv "contrast ratio" specs?? Do you know that there is no standard for measuring this, so the marketing departments just make up a number that sounds better than their competition? The same silliness goes on in audio. It is almost tradition. My luxury is having a Nak T100 on my service bench. It has been there 25 years. I have looked at W/F measurements on every deck I've serviced. I began to form my wacky, inconsistent opinions when I measured Un weighted , and could see visually what the deck was actually doing. I want a deck with minimum peak flutter. Yes, audibility ought to be an issue, but which W/F filter standard is correct? They can't all be can they? In an absolute sense, my deck should produce 0% W/F. That would be inaudible. Masking and filtering are physio-psycho techniques that make music sound better when transferred in a noisy medium. Dolby is exactly this. You have done 100% the correct thing, make a choice based on sound. A trained listener can hear all sorts of things on a high resolution stereo. I can hear things even with a crappy stereo. One huge advantage CD has over tape is the absence of Wow (they have flutter, but it is pretty small). Quite a few people can hear the differences. For arguments sake lets say the classic deck has more Wow and the Sankyo has more flutter. On music, the classic will sound better with harpsichords and violins, while the Sankyo will sound better with organ and piano. The two decks could have exactly the same measured W/F, yet sound different when we use them. tom brucker At 04:35 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Tom, I am trying to follow your rationale here, with little >success... You reject W&F weighted measurements, then >complain that the measurements do not reflect *audible* W&F. >But weighting was designed expressly for better correlation >with audibility. Weighted specs are far more meaningful for >music recorders (though not for, say instrumentation >recorders). Using these specs, the Sankyo transport is just >as good (actually, better) than the classic one. > >Before choosing the CR-7 over the Dragon, I carefully >compared them side by side, listening, along with music, to >piano solo (that I prefer to strings for this purpose) and >found the CR-7 just as good. Your mileage obviously varies >:-). > >-- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 7 21:44:18 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:44:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206175650.00853e00@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070205130455.00857a30@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070206175650.00853e00@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45CA3A22.7080709@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Ron, > I often write like "Mr. know-it-all". I know I leave lots of room for > discussion, and I should be less pompous. In a news group we just don't > have the time to write in a consistent and accurate fashion. You have to > meet me to understand. I come from the "Absolute Sound" (the journal, now > magazine) school that finds no correlation between specs and sound > quality. Well, I guess we have a lot we disagree about :-). I am an Engineer with many years of experience in Audio -- design, service and use. Our first disagreement probably relates to the definition of 'good' sound quality. You probably define it as "that which sounds good to me". I define it as "that whose output closely duplicates its input". By my definition, there is a very strong correlation between specs and sonic quality. As a matter of fact, the equipment 'knows' nothing about sound quality. All it knows is what signal comes in and what signal goes out. What happens to the audio signal as it goes through a piece of equipment is defined by the specs. Terms like "the soul of music", "sweet treble" and "assertive bass" are totally meaningless from the equipment point of view. They denote emotional human reaction to the sound, not a property of the equipment. If you define sound quality by these emotions, then, indeed, specs correlate with them (if at all) far less than with the cost of the equipment or it's color or what a reviewer (that probably gets kickback) says about it. I read Stereophile (for amusement, rather than edification) and often can't believe the BS in their reviews. Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of silence, one of which is better? > That is what I was trying to share with everyone. Have you ever > looked at plasma tv "contrast ratio" specs?? Do you know that there is no > standard for measuring this, so the marketing departments just make up a > number that sounds better than their competition? I know that, all too well. It simply says that marketers lie. Don't slam specs just because some scammers misuse them. > The same silliness goes on in audio. It is almost tradition. For sure. That's how terms like High Fidelity have lost their meaning. What about the ads that blabber about their cable high resolution? Resolution of any analog device (cables, amps and speakers included) is infinite. Any cable, any amp, any speaker. Years ago, IMD (Intermodulation Distortion) was usually specified as so many percent for 60Hz and 7KHz, at a ratio of 4 to 1. One manufacturer started to advertise their amp as: "IMD: 4 to 1", without specifying the percentage distortion. They figured audiophiles will figure that "4 to 1" was a good spec. Bottom line: the specs say it all, provide they are TRUE AND COMPLETE. If not, they say nothing. -- Ron > My luxury is having a Nak T100 on my service bench. It has been there > 25 years. I have looked at W/F measurements on every deck I've serviced. I > began to form my wacky, inconsistent opinions when I measured Un weighted , > and could see visually what the deck was actually doing. I want a deck with > minimum peak flutter. > Yes, audibility ought to be an issue, but which W/F filter standard is > correct? They can't all be can they? In an absolute sense, my deck > should produce 0% W/F. That would be inaudible. Masking and filtering are > physio-psycho techniques that make music sound better when transferred in a > noisy medium. Dolby is exactly this. > You have done 100% the correct thing, make a choice based on sound. A > trained listener can hear all sorts of things on a high resolution stereo. > I can hear things even with a crappy stereo. One huge advantage CD has > over tape is the absence of Wow (they have flutter, but it is pretty > small). Quite a few people can hear the differences. For arguments sake > lets say the classic deck has more Wow and the Sankyo has more flutter. > On music, the classic will sound better with harpsichords and violins, > while the Sankyo will sound better with organ and piano. The two decks > could have exactly the same measured W/F, yet sound different when we use > them. > > tom brucker > > At 04:35 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >> Tom, I am trying to follow your rationale here, with little >> success... You reject W&F weighted measurements, then >> complain that the measurements do not reflect *audible* W&F. >> But weighting was designed expressly for better correlation >> with audibility. Weighted specs are far more meaningful for >> music recorders (though not for, say instrumentation >> recorders). Using these specs, the Sankyo transport is just >> as good (actually, better) than the classic one. >> >> Before choosing the CR-7 over the Dragon, I carefully >> compared them side by side, listening, along with music, to >> piano solo (that I prefer to strings for this purpose) and >> found the CR-7 just as good. Your mileage obviously varies >> :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> Specs and actual measurements are two different things. Your data all >>> contains the term "less than". Here's what is behind the W/F game. >>> >>> W/F are variations in speed. These variations have their own frequencies. >>> Drift is the lowest frequency , followed by wow, up to 12-15 Hz, and >>> flutter >15 Hz. A deck might have 3.7Hz from a flywheel, 7.4Hz from a >>> motor, 11.2 Hz from a pinch roller, 14.8 Hz from bearing wobble, 21.6 Hz >>> from belt stretch, 37Hz from tape stick-slip, all in different amplitudes >>> and all lumped together as Wow and Flutter. Some standards people got >>> together and decided some flutter frequencies are MORE AUDIBLE than others, >>> so they instituted "weighting" WRMS is a weighted spec, as are JIS and DIN >>> specs. Each weighted measurement yields different numbers, because each >>> deck has a unique set of speed variation frequencies. JIS ignores the >>> higher frequencies, WRMS is in the middle, and DIN has the broadest filter >>> window. >>> If you have followed this so far, then take the next step. Try measuring >>> UNweighted , or better yet, Unweighted peak. The Nakamichi T100 analyzer >>> is a rather unique instrument to evaluate decks, and what I see on the >>> classic Nak transport is the lowest peak Un weighted W/F . That is the >>> measurement story. >>> There is a HUGE public problem with specs....rarely do they correlate >>> with what we hear. Try recording a solo violin on both classic and Sankyo >>> decks. In playback, you will hear what sounds like a better tone on the >>> classic deck. The ear can pick out the added high peak flutter on string >>> sounds easily. This to me is the best test. >>> I like the mention of the BIB test tape with the piano recording to >>> evaluate Wow. That is an excellent audible test. >>> >>> Your point about belts is very well taken. I am trying to have custom Nak >>> belts made for the classic mech . so there may be hope. >>> Ironically, no W/F test tape exists with residual less than 0.04% WRMS, so >>> those low numbers on the newer decks are all a marketing game that Nak >>> decided to play. >>> >>> I call W/F a "game" because the manufacturers have always played >>> specification battles. The JIS standard makes every cheap Japanase plastic >>> flywheel deck spec better than a European Tandberg or B&O, which use the >>> DIN wtd Peak standard. You know which sounds better; the specs "play a >>> lying game" misunderstood by those who do not know the "rest of the story". >>> >>> BTW for all trying to set tape speed with a frequency counter, the >>> counter is measuring an instantaneous speed sample, and peak flutter and >>> wow will produce some high numbers. You have to average a lot of readings, >>> or set the gate time long if you have the option. The proper tool is a >>> wow/flutter/ speed meter or Nak T100, which measures very long averages >>> through analog means. The frequency counter method is a work-around since >>> W/F meters are not generally availible. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 01:12 PM 2/5/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>> Hi Y'all, >>> >>> Tom's assertion, seconded by Kannan, that the classic transport has lower >>> wow-and-flutter than the BX-300 just isn't supported by the facts, which of >>> course never stopped anyone on Wikipedia. >>> >>> Here's the W & F stats from the manuals - >>> >>> Direct Drive models - >>> Dragon - Less than 0.019% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.04 WTD Peak >>> ZX-9 - Less than 0.022% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.045 WTD Peak >>> BX-300 - Less than 0.027% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.048 WTD Peak (same >>> for CR-4 and MR-1) >>> >>> Classic Transport >>> ZX-7 - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD Peak >>> 680, 670, RX-303, - Less than 0.04% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.08 WTD > Peak >>> LX3, 480 - Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.11 WTD Peak >>> 481- Less than 0.06% WTD RMS, Less than + or - 0.12 WTD Peak >>> >>> So, the BX-300 is way ahead of the classic transport in W&F. After reading >>> all the brochures in the 1980's that's why I bought it. The BX-300 is also >>> way ahead of every Tandberg, Revox, Studer, Tascam, etc. >>> >>> And let me re-iterate another point. In order to achieve the W&F specs >>> above, all the Nak classic transport decks MUST have the original Nak drive >>> belt. The cam belt isn't so critical - you can use a generic for that. >>> The BX-300's direct drive will achieve the same W&F results with a generic >>> PRB belt. The BX-300's direct drive is much more forgiving of the generic >>> belt. Since the supply of original belts is almost exhausted, the classic >>> transport decks are reaching the end of their life within specs, and will >>> not reach their original specs with the generic belts now available. >>> >>> The generic parts numbers for BX-300 belts and idler I believe are as >>> follows - >>> Drive Belt - PRB FRM9.2 (works great) >>> Tape Tension Belt - PRB SCY3.2 (I have not actually tried this one) >>> Idler Wheel - MCM 32-5665 (I have used a lot of these) >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Jeff > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 7 21:49:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:49:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853310@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070205095435.00853bd0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853310@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45CA3B47.7050806@rcn.com> Tom, I believe the difference in capstan diameter is large, because the capstan rotate also at different speeds. I wasn't referring to the 1% difference required to keep the tape taut. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > I enjoy this group because everyone thinks in depth. > I welcome debate...that is how we learn. Often times we make simple > statements that others may dispute, and the debate is ok, but it shall > never become a contest. Let's all learn from this. > > Capstan diameter in dual decks always uses a smaller supply side (by a very > tiny amount) capstan to provide back tension. The difference is so small > that the flutter frequencies must be very similar. B & O built a flutter > meter with a variable low frequency filter to measure the flutter and wow > frequencies. I wish I had one. I assume the BC 8000, 8500 and 9000 also > used distributed resonance, however it has been so long since I have worked > on one I don't know if they would compare sonically. The BC 5000 was an > average deck sonically, I agree, but it was this design principle that they > taught us while training for this model. > > You are correct about the Sankyo reel motor torque, however, the tire does > slip, because that is what wears it out. The torque requirement to turn the > TU reel rises and speed drops as the tape is played, so there has to be > some stick/slip introduced. All consumer electronics are engineered to > balance performance and cost. I like the felt clutch better than the idler. > One could argue both produce stick/slip flutter. The question is ; which > produces the lowest frequence, lowest peak amplitude flutter? No one would > argue that the mechanism that found its way into the ZX7 has an inferior > reel drive clutch to the Sankyo mechanism would they? Nakamichi very much > had to engineer decks for cost savings at retail. When we sold 480s easily, > the BX1 was suddenly introduced and a lower price point. Both transport > lines were built, offering customers a budget level Nak or a cost is no > object Nak. > I wish there was some test equipment on hand to measure this stuff. The > good news is all the mechanisms Nakamichi used or built are excellent. > Small differences exist as they must. That engineering data has not been > published for us to cite, unfortunately. > > tom brucker > > At 03:55 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record >>> headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud >>> transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use >>> cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. >>> I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ >>> MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating >>> parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and >>> motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. >>> Bang & Olufsen >>> demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the >>> flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same >>> size. >> But the capstans are not, so B&O's views are adopted in Nak >> decks. This is the distributed resonance that Nakamichi was >> touting. I've listened to the B&O 5000 (and compared side >> by side to the 582) and -- as nice as it was -- it had >> nothing on Nak decks. >> >>> I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of >>> the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire >>> skip-slip of the Sankyo. >> The Sankyo transport does NOT slip the idler tire. Rather, >> the reel motor is driven with low voltage, providing >> *electrical* slip. This is far, far smoother and >> infinitely superiour to the *mechanical* slip of old style transports. >> >>> I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make >>> measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I >>> will just fall back on theory. >> That's OK, but you really should base the theoretical >> conclusions on accurate data. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought >>> to give this classic a listen! >>> At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff and everyone else, >>>> >>>> I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt > about >>>> it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >>>> RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my > BX-300, I >>>> did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by > Bowers & >>>> Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! > Listeng in >>>> to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the > BX-300 >>>> is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >>>> CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. >>>> >>>> I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >>>> storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >>>> borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the > CD1.5 >>>> is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >>>> better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 > leave a >>>> lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, > RX-505 >>>> and CR-7. >>>> >>>> Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >>>> the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 7 22:09:12 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:09:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: <45CA3B47.7050806@rcn.com> Message-ID: <492044.97262.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I can get a micrometer in there, I'll measure the capstans and post. May take a few days. Bob Ron wrote: Tom, I believe the difference in capstan diameter is large, because the capstan rotate also at different speeds. I wasn't referring to the 1% difference required to keep the tape taut. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > I enjoy this group because everyone thinks in depth. > I welcome debate...that is how we learn. Often times we make simple > statements that others may dispute, and the debate is ok, but it shall > never become a contest. Let's all learn from this. > > Capstan diameter in dual decks always uses a smaller supply side (by a very > tiny amount) capstan to provide back tension. The difference is so small > that the flutter frequencies must be very similar. B & O built a flutter > meter with a variable low frequency filter to measure the flutter and wow > frequencies. I wish I had one. I assume the BC 8000, 8500 and 9000 also > used distributed resonance, however it has been so long since I have worked > on one I don't know if they would compare sonically. The BC 5000 was an > average deck sonically, I agree, but it was this design principle that they > taught us while training for this model. > > You are correct about the Sankyo reel motor torque, however, the tire does > slip, because that is what wears it out. The torque requirement to turn the > TU reel rises and speed drops as the tape is played, so there has to be > some stick/slip introduced. All consumer electronics are engineered to > balance performance and cost. I like the felt clutch better than the idler. > One could argue both produce stick/slip flutter. The question is ; which > produces the lowest frequence, lowest peak amplitude flutter? No one would > argue that the mechanism that found its way into the ZX7 has an inferior > reel drive clutch to the Sankyo mechanism would they? Nakamichi very much > had to engineer decks for cost savings at retail. When we sold 480s easily, > the BX1 was suddenly introduced and a lower price point. Both transport > lines were built, offering customers a budget level Nak or a cost is no > object Nak. > I wish there was some test equipment on hand to measure this stuff. The > good news is all the mechanisms Nakamichi used or built are excellent. > Small differences exist as they must. That engineering data has not been > published for us to cite, unfortunately. > > tom brucker > > At 03:55 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >> Hi Tech wrote: >>> One huge advantage an LX5 , 680 or 582 has over the BX 300 is in record >>> headroom. The heads on the classic decks are better able to handle loud >>> transients. Some folks never "record in the red", but for those who use >>> cassette for live recording this headroom can be significant. >>> I would argue that the classic mechanism has lower flutter than the BX300/ >>> MR1. Flutter frequencies are determined by the diameters of the rotating >>> parts. Classic mechanisms have larger pinch rollers, flywheels, and >>> motor/pulley, so the flutter frequencies are lower. >>> Bang & Olufsen >>> demonstrated that staggering the various diameters also improved the >>> flutter (listen to the Beocord 5000), and the Bx 300 flywheels are the same >>> size. >> But the capstans are not, so B&O's views are adopted in Nak >> decks. This is the distributed resonance that Nakamichi was >> touting. I've listened to the B&O 5000 (and compared side >> by side to the 582) and -- as nice as it was -- it had >> nothing on Nak decks. >> >>> I also prefer the reel idler clutch on the classic over either version of >>> the Sankyo mechanism. The felt slip surface is much smoother than the tire >>> skip-slip of the Sankyo. >> The Sankyo transport does NOT slip the idler tire. Rather, >> the reel motor is driven with low voltage, providing >> *electrical* slip. This is far, far smoother and >> infinitely superiour to the *mechanical* slip of old style transports. >> >>> I wish I had a spectrum analyzer to make >>> measurements in these low frequency areas to share, so lacking evidence I >>> will just fall back on theory. >> That's OK, but you really should base the theoretical >> conclusions on accurate data. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> BTW I was floored by the low W/F of Jon Ochoi's 700. Piano fans ought >>> to give this classic a listen! >>> At 07:59 AM 2/5/07 +0000, winnie pooh wrote: >>>> Hi Jeff and everyone else, >>>> >>>> I just want to say I think the BX-300 is a very good machine, no doubt > about >>>> it. Then again, I happen to have a BX-300 as well as a Cassette Deck 1.5, >>>> RX-505 and CR-7. After I finished doing my DIY adjustments to my > BX-300, I >>>> did a quick comparison with my professionally calibrated CR-7 (by > Bowers & >>>> Wilkins UK). Have to say that the BX-300 sounds very good indeed! > Listeng in >>>> to it thru my SP-7 headphones showed that the CR-7 is better but the > BX-300 >>>> is not far behind. Tried recording some tracks and playing it back on the >>>> CR-7 and BX-300: again the same impressive findings. >>>> >>>> I haven't been using the BX-300 much but now it has been pulled out of >>>> storage! The next one on my to do list is the CD1.5, maybe this time I'll >>>> borrow my bro-in-law's oscilloscope and do it properly. Although the > CD1.5 >>>> is supposed to be pretty similar to the BX-300, I still find the BX-300 >>>> better in all respects. Incidentally, the headphone amp of the CD1.5 > leave a >>>> lot to be desired, certainly not as good as the ones in the BX-300, > RX-505 >>>> and CR-7. >>>> >>>> Now all I am waiting for is Scott's remote "gadget" so that I can control >>>> the RX-505 or BX300 without lifting my bum off the couch.............:-) >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 22:09:57 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:09:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]further flutter thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070207150957.00853cf0@earthlink.net> Yes, Jeff is correct. I lump. The MR1 is another dual capstan model. I prefer big diameter, heavy parts over small light parts. By my criteria, the old 700 is the best ever. I just finished Mr. Kent's CR4, Sankyo direct drive dual capstan. W/F measured 0.04 to 0.06% WRMS, with big peaks. I checked take up torque, and it was a bit high, and the stick-slip as observed with my torque gauge exactly coincided with the W/F peaks. I adjusted torque to proper level and the peaks dropped to 0.05%. Un weighted, however, was .16%, with the major component flutter. With the T100 you can listen to the W/F filter output. Deep thumps are wow, and raspy hissing is flutter. You can use your ears to discern the spectrum. Is this CR4 out of spec, since the spec is 0.027% WRMS? No, because my tape residual is 0.04%. This deck adds a bit, but it is well below audibility. Most people, by the way, can hear 0.2% . The 700 I finished was 0.04% WRMS with no peaks...smooth as silk. As measured the 700 is "better" than the CR4. Perhaps the NakTalk question of the day is: what are the real W/F measurements we see in our machines? I'll try and post more this week as I am working on Naks all week :)). In a telephone conversation a question was raised about tape formula changes with time. I compared my reference TDK SA-X to a newer SA-X in the new shell. WHOA!!! Huge difference. It had almost +2dB more level and an extra 2 dB of high end. I can tell that tape has changed! tom brucker At 03:15 PM 2/7/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> Hi Folks, One problem I have with Tom's postings about the wow-and-flutter specs is that Tom seems to segregate Nak decks into 2 categories, "classic transport" and "Sankyo transport" as he does in this posting. The MR-2, BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150 are single-capstan "Sankyo" transports, but the BX-300 and CR-4 are two-capstan, direct drive machines which should not be lumped into the same category as the inferior 2-head, 1-capstan decks. They have better, not worse, wow-and-flutter readings than the classic decks on every T-100 I have ever heard of, except apparently Tom's. The "Sankyo" mechanism is just part of the transport, and the very superior direct-drive motors and 2-capstan strategy of the BX-300 and CR-4 are a big part of their performance. Tom is really talking about 1-capstan machines versus 2-capstan machines, and seems to lump the BX-300 into the 1 capstan group, which it isn't. Jeff In a message dated 2/7/2007 11:25:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Ron, I often write like "Mr. know-it-all". I know I leave lots of room for discussion, and I should be less pompous. In a news group we just don't have the time to write in a consistent and accurate fashion. You have to meet me to understand. I come from the "Absolute Sound" (the journal, now magazine) school that finds no correlation between specs and sound quality. That is what I was trying to share with everyone. Have you ever looked at plasma tv "contrast ratio" specs?? Do you know that there is no standard for measuring this, so the marketing departments just make up a number that sounds better than their competition? The same silliness goes on in audio. It is almost tradition. My luxury is having a Nak T100 on my service bench. It has been there 25 years. I have looked at W/F measurements on every deck I've serviced. I began to form my wacky, inconsistent opinions when I measured Un weighted , and could see visually what the deck was actually doing. I want a deck with minimum peak flutter. Yes, audibility ought to be an issue, but which W/F filter standard is correct? They can't all be can they? In an absolute sense, my deck should produce 0% W/F. That would be inaudible. Masking and filtering are physio-psycho techniques that make music sound better when transferred in a noisy medium. Dolby is exactly this. You have done 100% the correct thing, make a choice based on sound. A trained listener can hear all sorts of things on a high resolution stereo. I can hear things even with a crappy stereo. One huge advantage CD has over tape is the absence of Wow (they have flutter, but it is pretty small). Quite a few people can hear the differences. For arguments sake lets say the classic deck has more Wow and the Sankyo has more flutter. On music, the classic will sound better with harpsichords and violins, while the Sankyo will sound better with organ and piano. The two decks could have exactly the same measured W/F, yet sound different when we use them. tom brucker At 04:35 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Tom, I am trying to follow your rationale here, with little >success... You reject W&F weighted measurements, then >complain that the measurements do not reflect *audible* W&F. >But weighting was designed expressly for better correlation >with audibility. Weighted specs are far more meaningful for >music recorders (though not for, say instrumentation >recorders). Using these specs, the Sankyo transport is just >as good (actually, better) than the classic one. > >Before choosing the CR-7 over the Dragon, I carefully >compared them side by side, listening, along with music, to >piano solo (that I prefer to strings for this purpose) and >found the CR-7 just as good. Your mileage obviously varies >:-). > >-- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 22:32:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:32:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX5, dolby-C In-Reply-To: <516457.27959.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070207153224.008502d0@earthlink.net> Interesting, I was just playing with a new formula SA-X tape with a CR4, and the dolby B was flat while the C had a +2.5dB boost in the mid-treble. This deck was just calibrated using a T100. I have always felt C was not very linear, but my measurement seems larger than I remember. I assume you get 0Vu @ 400Hz. with Luis' tape on both decks ? tom brucker At 01:19 PM 2/7/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I just got another LX5. this newer one also seems to have issues with dolby-C. When playing back a tape recorded on a "cassette deck 1.5" there's something about it that I just cannot describe. It sounds OK but... When the LX5 records with dolby-C and played back on the 1.5, it sounds great. When a tape recorded with dolby-B on the 1.5 it sounds great played back on the LX5. Maybe one way to somewhat describe the sound is when listening to a single sideband voice with the AGC set too fast. This is not an accurate explanation but close. This experiment that I mentioned a few days ago had issues with the "cassette deck 1" I also made this test with a little CR3 and all is well. I did go through all the alignment procedures with Luis' tape on this newer LX5. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <45C8F08B.7050100@rcn.com> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> Again, there is no Wow and Flutter test tape made with 0.027 % residual, so these numbers are sales gimmicks. See my previous post. At Nakamichi's training the engineers laughed about the JIS standard, and brought up the point about the test tapes. Nakamichi's test tape at had residual flutter written on the cassette label. Any "measurement" below the test tape residual flutter was considered by them as invalid. ( the residual flutter spectrum matched the mechanism used to manufacture the test tape) Think of this...I measure a CR 7 and get 0.04% W/F. This is my test tape residual. What then is the deck's measurement? 0.01%, 0.03%? 0.005% I do not know the answer. Would I attempt to repair the CR7 since 0.04% is almost twice the spec??? tom brucker 04:18 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: > > From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: >W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, >that use the same transport. > > From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: >W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO >SPEC. > >-- Ron > > > > >Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: >> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has >> marginally greater W&F than the other decks. >> >> Adrian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 7 22:42:37 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:42:37 EST Subject: [naktalk]further flutter thoughts Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2007 1:24:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: As measured the 700 is "better" than the CR4. Perhaps the NakTalk question of the day is: what are the real W/F measurements we see in our machines? Hi Tom, Your measurements are of one 700 and one CR-4. Don't necessarily generalize from that. I have a CR-4 I consider expendable. As far as I can tell, both the CR-3 and CR-4, which have very different motors, are prone to dead spots in their motors which happen from oxidation during long periods of dis-use. I always laugh when I see someone on eBay brag "My Nak has been in storage for 15 years" as if that was a good thing. We really can't tell what state the motors are in, in the CR-4 you repaired. I would always choose a well-maintained old deck over a neglected newer one. My own CR-4 is something I purchased off of Craigslist for $100. It worked great for one day, then it happened to refuse to start the next time I used it. I took the cover off and found it worked fine with a nudge to the flywheel. Then I did some research, maybe on Naktalk, I don't remember, and found out about the oxidation problem. If the deck stops in the position that the oxidation is in, it won't start up again correctly. I like to fall asleep listening to music, and the deck doesn't get turned off until the morning. If my CR-4 won't start up right, as it does every once in a while, I spin the supply-side capstan counter clockwise with my finger, and it starts right up. Since the CR-4 doesn't have any lights like the classic decks, it can stay on all night without burning anything out. I really don't care if I wear this one out, as it's hours I haven't logged on one of the decks I happen to really love. all the best Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 7 00:56:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:56:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070206175652.00852580@earthlink.net> RAMM searches for blank spaces, but only on tapes made on the Nak. In record it adds low frequency pulses in the blanks areas. I wouldn't worry about that until you get the belts replaced. There is a fix for the broken door release, but most people simply glue it. tom brucker At 01:58 PM 2/5/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> On first inspection, a few mechanical issues like door won't open when lever pushed and counter won't reset to zero - just 100. The more significant issue is nothing happens when RAMM button pressed? Will check for loose wires etc when more time, but wondered if this is a common problem with this deck? Any ideas? Apart from that its playing nicely at the moment and well worth £36. Many Thanks, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 7 23:03:28 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:03:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 vs CR7 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CC9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Hello, Is the CR5 essentially the same as the CR7 minus the calibration and azimuth functions? I've had a Dragon and some high end Yamaha's over the years, and have really preferred the CR5 to any of them as far as playing tapes recorded and played on the same deck. Really think they are the real steals for Nak decks. Of course the Dragon was tops, by far, for playing back tapes from various sources. Even tapes I made on my Kenwood 20 odd years ago sounded really good. From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Wed Feb 7 23:06:44 2007 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:06:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Silence In-Reply-To: <200702072111.l17LAm2Y009327@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of silence,one of which is better?" Yes, Ron, Apparently, there are two forms of silence: Plain ordinary, bog standard 'silence' which what we encounter most of the time, and then there is the extra special 'dark' silence, a much rarer form :o), ...that is usually only encountered by 'gifted' magazine reviewers and the 'converted'. As a humble chemist, the difference is beyond my comprehension, but I posed the question to some physicist friends of mine. They have categorically stated that it is NOT due to phases of the moon, and instead is directly proportional to solar activity.. the less.. the darker.... It is the reduced level of stray sub atomic particles that makes silence 'darker'.. I had always thought there was only 'fuzzy' silence, and 'not so fuzzy' silence, depending upon whether you were using Dolby B or C. As to whether a Nakamichi is better at reproducing these various silences, I'll have to experiment, taking into account transport effects... TIC, Martin From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 7 23:07:54 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:07:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 belts Message-ID: Hi Y'all Several people have emailed me about BX-300 belts and idler wheel parts numbers. Here's the info- Drive belt - PRB FRM9.2 (Also called EVG 1407.88, same belt, same package) from Russell Industries Tension belt - PRB SCY3.2 from Russell industries Idler wheel MCM 32-5665 from MCM Electronics Russell Industries PRB and EVG lines are commonly carried by local parts stores. MCM has web ordering. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 7 23:12:20 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:12:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] Silence Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2007 2:08:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, shorty at nznet.gen.nz writes: "Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of silence,one of which is better?" I don't know if this is relevant, but when Nakamichi introduced the RAMM system which allowed the user to find different tracks on a tape, the big engineering problem was called "watermarking" I believe - being able to distinguish between silence which was part of the music, and the silence between tracks. Nak was I think the first company to solve this problem. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 00:27:43 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX5, dolby-C In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070207153224.008502d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <718289.61937.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Yes I did. I got all the levels set, on both decks. None were very far off, if at all. Your phrase of "not linear" is a good way to describe it. It appears that the bass is enhanced on playback on the LX5. The music recording levels were 0db to plus 5. I've also tried to record below 0db with peaks of less than +3 with the same results. All recordings were from CD. I'll make more tests with other decks. BTW this test was done with both Maxell XL1 and XL2 (not XL2S) Bob Hi Tech wrote: Interesting, I was just playing with a new formula SA-X tape with a CR4, and the dolby B was flat while the C had a +2.5dB boost in the mid-treble. This deck was just calibrated using a T100. I have always felt C was not very linear, but my measurement seems larger than I remember. I assume you get 0Vu @ 400Hz. with Luis' tape on both decks ? tom brucker At 01:19 PM 2/7/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I just got another LX5. this newer one also seems to have issues with dolby-C. When playing back a tape recorded on a "cassette deck 1.5" there's something about it that I just cannot describe. It sounds OK but... When the LX5 records with dolby-C and played back on the 1.5, it sounds great. When a tape recorded with dolby-B on the 1.5 it sounds great played back on the LX5. Maybe one way to somewhat describe the sound is when listening to a single sideband voice with the AGC set too fast. This is not an accurate explanation but close. This experiment that I mentioned a few days ago had issues with the "cassette deck 1" I also made this test with a little CR3 and all is well. I did go through all the alignment procedures with Luis' tape on this newer LX5. 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URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Thu Feb 8 03:04:30 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:04:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes Message-ID: I am very curious how others have found the Maxell MS tape to compare to the XL_II. The cost of the Maxell MS is almost 2x that of the XL-II, is it worth the extra cost? Thanks, Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 03:13:14 2007 From: lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com (Evan Lowery) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:13:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Message-ID: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I installed it, with some difficulty, and other encounters mentioned later) The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't really tested it a lot over a long time) About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because of excess tape slack) But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. It usually only stops in play because of the tape slack. (So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, or most do) A few points: 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed that the tire is maybe just slightly not on center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more in one area, so there is an uneven movement on playback. Ok more than a few points... 3.I know I should just have this thing completely serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? Is this the "standard/original?) 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... (Hope it is ok!) A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable transport? I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I should have known better, except that the guy said he tested it, (then comes an explative or such) Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? headroom and such? I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice as long; much more informative) If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that would be great. Thanks -Evan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Feb 8 04:09:27 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:39:27 +0530 Subject: Gauges measurements - was: [naktalk] Thread response ? References: <200702072110.l17LAm2X009327@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002401c74b2e$8cdc5fe0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Luis Thats a great step ahead. I had in fact written to Tom telling him the best thing would be for the units to be lent so we could take it off, measure, make dies and reassemble them and send them back. I live in an industrial city where such fabrications are commonplace and if someone does decide to agree to send their set, i too would take extreme care to get the measurements, and return them in an immaculate condition / condition as received. Best Soumi >I think the unit(s) has to be dismantled, and carefullly measure to >1/10th of mm. and then drawed on a-cad or u-station. > >The springs have to be equally measured, # turns, diamenter, thread >diameter, and natural lengh, so new springs can be ordered. > >My dad has just retired, he's got a masters degree in mechanical eng., >and has spent his entire life designing and manufacturing wagon trains. > >He voulnteers to do it, but of course would need a lend of a unit(s). >I promise to return them in inmaculate condition ;) > >Best rgds, LP. From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 8 04:08:21 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:08:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Message-ID: Hi Evan, 1.When the washer issue came up with Lou's BX-300 I went an looked at an old BX-100 I have for parts, and yes indeed there is a black washer behind the idler wheel, about the same size as the lock washer. It's kind of hard to get one at a parts store if you don't have the original to take in. 2. If the idler tire isn't on center, that could be the reason your deck isn't working right. I have found that the MCM 32-5665 idler wheel is easier to center than the one available from Dean on eBay, but I haven't ever seen the ESL tire. Someone mentioned measuring the one he took off an old deck - that doesn't always give you the right info unless you know the history of the deck, as it may be the wrong tire that was mounted. The uneven movement you describe is probably the problem with the deck. What is "the rubber on the idler motor"? 3. It could be very expensive to have it serviced. Calibration isn't that hard to do, if someone shows you how. Just reading the service manual might be enough, but you will need test tones. 4. Parts are hard to get. You might have to strip a parts deck. A new reel motor comes up on eBay a couple of times a year. Regarding the LX-5 versus BX-300, I say the BX-300 is better because of its lower wow-and flutter and pitch control and I sold my LX-5 because of it, Tom likes the LX-5 because of its classic transport and heads. I'm sure Tom and I both agree that the BX-2 is a crap deck, with the Sankyo transport, single capstan, and all the problems associated with the rubber idler tire. It is simpler in design than the BX-300, but that's because the BX-300 is the result of a much more sophisticated engineering effort. The part of the transport which you see in the front may look similar in the BX-2 and BX-300, but believe me, the direct-drive motors and double-capstan technology of the BX-300 are way, way, superior. That results in specs for wow-and-flutter way below the LX-5 and BX-2. Tom says specs don't matter - to him. When the BX-300 was introduced, it was originally called the "ZX-5" which indicates what Nakamichi thought of it, one click below the ZX-7. It was actually designed after the ZX-9 and the Dragon, and tried to make the direct-drive technologies developed for those decks available at a more affordable cost. As far as I know, it was Nak's attempt to give the highest performance for the least money, and was the only deck they ever designed with that in mind. It is essentially the same as the MR-1, which was their top professional deck, intended for the most discriminating recording engineers. As far as the BX-2 versus LX-5 goes, the heads and pre-amp section of the LX-5 are way superior, resulting in better headroom, frequency response, etc., and the LX-5 is a 2-capstan deck which really makes a big difference in performance. Not to mention the pressure pad lifter which makes the heads last 5 times longer. The BX-2's single capstan is in the cheap seats, like a Sony. just my opinion Jeff In a message dated 2/7/2007 6:15:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com writes: 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed that the tire is maybe just slightly not on center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more in one area, so there is an uneven movement on playback. Ok more than a few points... 3.I know I should just have this thing completely serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? Is this the "standard/original?) 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... (Hope it is ok!) A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable transport? I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I should have known better, except that the guy said he tested it, (then comes an explative or such) Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? headroom and such? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Thu Feb 8 04:26:28 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:26:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes References: Message-ID: <002001c74b30$ebb8d1e0$0201a8c0@eagle> Hi Rick, I am currently using both...really can not tell much difference. I like the case on the MS, but they both sound quite good. I record mainly with my 682zx and ZX-7. I found the last batch I bought (last Summer) online; and paid $1.49 for the MS and .99 for the XLII. John ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes I am very curious how others have found the Maxell MS tape to compare to the XL_II. The cost of the Maxell MS is almost 2x that of the XL-II, is it worth the extra cost? Thanks, Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: 2/7/2007 3:33 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Thu Feb 8 04:30:36 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:30:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 References: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701c74b31$7f9f8570$0201a8c0@eagle> I have two LX-5's and I think they sound wonderful...really good sound. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Lowery" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 > I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of > idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) > > I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I > installed it, with some difficulty, and other > encounters mentioned later) > > The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't > really tested it a lot over a long time) > About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because > of excess tape slack) > But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- > slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. > > It usually only stops in play because of the tape > slack. > (So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, > or most do) > > A few points: > > 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer > (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler > hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was > all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as > someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) > > 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate > with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed > that the tire is maybe just slightly not on > center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), > but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more > in one area, so there is an uneven movement on > playback. > > Ok more than a few points... > > 3.I know I should just have this thing completely > serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? > Is this the "standard/original?) > > 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such > as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the > idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too > much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... > (Hope it is ok!) > > A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the > BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is > "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did > someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable > transport? > I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned > for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" > deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I > should have known better, except that the guy said he > tested it, (then comes an explative or such) > > Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more > impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter > and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) > (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and > all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") > > What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? > Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think > its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other > fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? > headroom and such? > I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost > double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice > as long; much more informative) > > If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that > would be great. > > Thanks > -Evan > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Cheap talk? > Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > http://voice.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: 2/7/2007 3:33 PM > > From lenaw at flash.net Thu Feb 8 05:00:33 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:00:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901644.17666.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff: Not all the classic transports from Nakamichi have the same W&F number. The LX and 480 series seem to have a higher W&F number than the other Naks which use the same type of transport ( classic version ). For example, the LX-5 has a W&F ( rms ) of 0.06 while the 1000ZXL and 670ZX have a number of 0.04; both higher than the BX-300 ( 0.027 ). It seems that most of the later Nak decks have lower W&F numbers than the earlier models except the ZX9 and DRAGON. I am fortunate to listen to a fully restored 670ZX, 682ZX, DRAGONs, and BX-300 ( I don't have a LX-5 or a CR-7 as well as 700/1000ZXL ) in a same system setup and same piece of music ( pre-recorded commerical ). I don't own the BX-300 and it was borrowed from a local friend as mine is broken. In this listening session, only the DRAGONs have a W&F number lower than the BX-300 ( 0.019 vs 0.027 ). I cannot hear any significiant difference in term of W&F on all these machines ( my ears may not be as good as yours ) but the 670ZX provides the most in term of headroom, dynamic and musical content on the piece of music during playback. I believe the same result could be applied to the 680ZX as well. The BX-300 is also a very musical machine but not as good as the 670ZX, 682ZX as well as the DRAGONs. With all respect, this is my own experience only and should not apply to others which may not have the same result as mine and the BX-300 could be better in those cases. Happy Listening and Collecting, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Evan, 1.When the washer issue came up with Lou's BX-300 I went an looked at an old BX-100 I have for parts, and yes indeed there is a black washer behind the idler wheel, about the same size as the lock washer. It's kind of hard to get one at a parts store if you don't have the original to take in. 2. If the idler tire isn't on center, that could be the reason your deck isn't working right. I have found that the MCM 32-5665 idler wheel is easier to center than the one available from Dean on eBay, but I haven't ever seen the ESL tire. Someone mentioned measuring the one he took off an old deck - that doesn't always give you the right info unless you know the history of the deck, as it may be the wrong tire that was mounted. The uneven movement you describe is probably the problem with the deck. What is "the rubber on the idler motor"? 3. It could be very expensive to have it serviced. Calibration isn't that hard to do, if someone shows you how. Just reading the service manual might be enough, but you will need test tones. 4. Parts are hard to get. You might have to strip a parts deck. A new reel motor comes up on eBay a couple of times a year. Regarding the LX-5 versus BX-300, I say the BX-300 is better because of its lower wow-and flutter and pitch control and I sold my LX-5 because of it, Tom likes the LX-5 because of its classic transport and heads. I'm sure Tom and I both agree that the BX-2 is a crap deck, with the Sankyo transport, single capstan, and all the problems associated with the rubber idler tire. It is simpler in design than the BX-300, but that's because the BX-300 is the result of a much more sophisticated engineering effort. The part of the transport which you see in the front may look similar in the BX-2 and BX-300, but believe me, the direct-drive motors and double-capstan technology of the BX-300 are way, way, superior. That results in specs for wow-and-flutter way below the LX-5 and BX-2. Tom says specs don't matter - to him. When the BX-300 was introduced, it was originally called the "ZX-5" which indicates what Nakamichi thought of it, one click below the ZX-7. It was actually designed after the ZX-9 and the Dragon, and tried to make the direct-drive technologies developed for those decks available at a more affordable cost. As far as I know, it was Nak's attempt to give the highest performance for the least money, and was the only deck they ever designed with that in mind. It is essentially the same as the MR-1, which was their top professional deck, intended for the most discriminating recording engineers. As far as the BX-2 versus LX-5 goes, the heads and pre-amp section of the LX-5 are way superior, resulting in better headroom, frequency response, etc., and the LX-5 is a 2-capstan deck which really makes a big difference in performance. Not to mention the pressure pad lifter which makes the heads last 5 times longer. The BX-2's single capstan is in the cheap seats, like a Sony. just my opinion Jeff In a message dated 2/7/2007 6:15:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com writes: 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed that the tire is maybe just slightly not on center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more in one area, so there is an uneven movement on playback. Ok more than a few points... 3.I know I should just have this thing completely serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? Is this the "standard/original?) 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... (Hope it is ok!) A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable transport? I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I should have known better, except that the guy said he tested it, (then comes an explative or such) Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? headroom and such? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 8 05:37:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:37:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2007 8:06:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Hi Jeff: Not all the classic transports from Nakamichi have the same W&F number. The LX and 480 series seem to have a higher W&F number than the other Naks which use the same type of transport ( classic version ). For example, the LX-5 has a W&F ( rms ) of 0.06 while the 1000ZXL and 670ZX have a number of 0.04; both higher than the BX-300 ( 0.027 ). It seems that most of the later Nak decks have lower W&F numbers than the earlier models except the ZX9 and DRAGON. I am fortunate to listen to a fully restored 670ZX, 682ZX, DRAGONs, and BX-300 ( I don't have a LX-5 or a CR-7 as well as 700/1000ZXL ) in a same system setup and same piece of music ( pre-recorded commerical ). I don't own the BX-300 and it was borrowed from a local friend as mine is broken. In this listening session, only the DRAGONs have a W&F number lower than the BX-300 ( 0.019 vs 0.027 ). I cannot hear any significiant difference in term of W&F on all these machines ( my ears may not be as good as yours ) but the 670ZX provides the most in term of headroom, dynamic and musical content on the piece of music during playback. I believe the same result could be applied to the 680ZX as well. The BX-300 is also a very musical machine but not as good as the 670ZX, 682ZX as well as the DRAGONs. With all respect, this is my own experience only and should not apply to others which may not have the same result as mine and the BX-300 could be better in those cases. Happy Listening and Collecting, Mike Hi Mike, Ah, yes, a man after my own heart - he actually sits down and compares great classic decks! What absolute fun! I have an LX-3 that I bought on eBay from a guy who seemed totally honest, who said that it had been fully rebuilt by Jeff Galin and had the lowest W&F numbers he had ever seen from any LX deck whether LX-3 or Lx-5 on his T-100. This fellow sells under the name "disperare" or something like that, and is an engineer who lives in Texas. I paid $200 for the deck. No one bid against me. "Rebuilt by ESL" is a good thing IMHO and I have really enjoyed this deck. It does in fact have very low W&F, the lowest of any classic deck I have owned except for my ZX-7. If this deck were the only classic transport deck I had ever owned, I would probably have a different opinion of them. I have an old 680 which needs work - the supply side pinch roller assembly doesn't come up into position. It worked when I first got it and has low hours on it, and in the days it worked I really loved the tone. I think Nakamichi went to great lengths to get these 680 series decks to sound good at half-speed, and it shows. At full speed they really do have an uncanny tone. I recently bought a 670ZX which also has great tone, but when it arrived the left channel VU meter doesn't work. Playback is fine, it sounds great. But, I've got a question for you. If the headroom is so great, why do the meters only go to plus 7 or so? My first Naks were an LX-5, a BX-300 and a 482, so I'm not someone who used the 680 and 670ZX back in their heyday, so maybe I don't really understand them like someone who used them in 1980 and ever since. I still remember the 682ZX sitting on the shelf of the Sounding Board in Berkeley in the 80's - I really wanted to buy it, but I didn't have a lot of money back then and decided to buy the BX-300 when it came out. The Sounding Board had some kind of challenge like, bring in any deck, except the Dragon, and if it has better performance tested on a T-100 than the BX-300, they would give you $50 or something. Nobody won that challenge. No deck beat it. I do totally agree that the 680 series are exceptional decks and envy anyone who has a fully restored one. For financial reasons, I had to select one among my decks that I would choose for ESL to rebuild, and chose my ZX-7, because it has Dolby C. I remember that in the late 90's Nakamichi stopped supporting the 680 series for parts distribution, and I think it's really hard to find parts. I've already made plain my theory that since the BX-300 has a direct-drive that is much more forgiving of generic belts, it may represent a better choice going off into the future than the classic transport decks, which require the dwindling supply of original Nakamichi belts to stay within specs. So, I have never said that the BX-300 is "The Best Nak," only the best for the money, which I believe was the intent with its design. Enjoy your decks! Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Feb 8 06:23:18 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:23:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <951720.57863.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff: I am glad to read that you finally wrote " best for the money" which I think would be the most appropriate statement regarding the value/sonic performance of the BX-300. I don't have any compliant about the "playback" performance of the BX-300 for the price it commands in the open market. If you ask me whether I would like to own one, sure I will be glad to have the BX-300 ( or ZX-5 in Japan ) in my collection ( close to 30 decks at this moment ). For the nakamichi models that I wrote previously they do all have "classic transport" other than the DRAGON but not necessary means "great classic decks" from my point of view. They might be great decks within their price range when compared with decks manufactured by other vendors. My experience told me that there are decks out there that sound better than these great Nak decks ( forgive me if this statement offends all die-hard Nak fans over here in this forum ). There is a section of the recorded music on the tape that I listen to with these decks that causes the meters' level to exceed +5 more than momentarily. The music does not seem to distort under the 670ZX but the other way around under the BX-300. That is what I mean by greater headroom ( my interpretation of this terminology ). If that is not how you think of headroom then I beg your pardon. Anyway I respect your sincere opinion. Best Regards, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/7/2007 8:06:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Hi Jeff: Not all the classic transports from Nakamichi have the same W&F number. The LX and 480 series seem to have a higher W&F number than the other Naks which use the same type of transport ( classic version ). For example, the LX-5 has a W&F ( rms ) of 0.06 while the 1000ZXL and 670ZX have a number of 0.04; both higher than the BX-300 ( 0.027 ). It seems that most of the later Nak decks have lower W&F numbers than the earlier models except the ZX9 and DRAGON. I am fortunate to listen to a fully restored 670ZX, 682ZX, DRAGONs, and BX-300 ( I don't have a LX-5 or a CR-7 as well as 700/1000ZXL ) in a same system setup and same piece of music ( pre-recorded commerical ). I don't own the BX-300 and it was borrowed from a local friend as mine is broken. In this listening session, only the DRAGONs have a W&F number lower than the BX-300 ( 0.019 vs 0.027 ). I cannot hear any significiant difference in term of W&F on all these machines ( my ears may not be as good as yours ) but the 670ZX provides the most in term of headroom, dynamic and musical content on the piece of music during playback. I believe the same result could be applied to the 680ZX as well. The BX-300 is also a very musical machine but not as good as the 670ZX, 682ZX as well as the DRAGONs. With all respect, this is my own experience only and should not apply to others which may not have the same result as mine and the BX-300 could be better in those cases. Happy Listening and Collecting, Mike Hi Mike, Ah, yes, a man after my own heart - he actually sits down and compares great classic decks! What absolute fun! I have an LX-3 that I bought on eBay from a guy who seemed totally honest, who said that it had been fully rebuilt by Jeff Galin and had the lowest W&F numbers he had ever seen from any LX deck whether LX-3 or Lx-5 on his T-100. This fellow sells under the name "disperare" or something like that, and is an engineer who lives in Texas. I paid $200 for the deck. No one bid against me. "Rebuilt by ESL" is a good thing IMHO and I have really enjoyed this deck. It does in fact have very low W&F, the lowest of any classic deck I have owned except for my ZX-7. If this deck were the only classic transport deck I had ever owned, I would probably have a different opinion of them. I have an old 680 which needs work - the supply side pinch roller assembly doesn't come up into position. It worked when I first got it and has low hours on it, and in the days it worked I really loved the tone. I think Nakamichi went to great lengths to get these 680 series decks to sound good at half-speed, and it shows. At full speed they really do have an uncanny tone. I recently bought a 670ZX which also has great tone, but when it arrived the left channel VU meter doesn't work. Playback is fine, it sounds great. But, I've got a question for you. If the headroom is so great, why do the meters only go to plus 7 or so? My first Naks were an LX-5, a BX-300 and a 482, so I'm not someone who used the 680 and 670ZX back in their heyday, so maybe I don't really understand them like someone who used them in 1980 and ever since. I still remember the 682ZX sitting on the shelf of the Sounding Board in Berkeley in the 80's - I really wanted to buy it, but I didn't have a lot of money back then and decided to buy the BX-300 when it came out. The Sounding Board had some kind of challenge like, bring in any deck, except the Dragon, and if it has better performance tested on a T-100 than the BX-300, they would give you $50 or something. Nobody won that challenge. No deck beat it. I do totally agree that the 680 series are exceptional decks and envy anyone who has a fully restored one. For financial reasons, I had to select one among my decks that I would choose for ESL to rebuild, and chose my ZX-7, because it has Dolby C. I remember that in the late 90's Nakamichi stopped supporting the 680 series for parts distribution, and I think it's really hard to find parts. I've already made plain my theory that since the BX-300 has a direct-drive that is much more forgiving of generic belts, it may represent a better choice going off into the future than the classic transport decks, which require the dwindling supply of original Nakamichi belts to stay within specs. So, I have never said that the BX-300 is "The Best Nak," only the best for the money, which I believe was the intent with its design. Enjoy your decks! Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 07:05:14 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:05:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes In-Reply-To: <002001c74b30$ebb8d1e0$0201a8c0@eagle> Message-ID: <004e01c74b47$19e1d420$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Thanks for the info, I had been looking at both tapes recently and was wondering the same thing. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of John Nelson Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes Hi Rick, I am currently using both...really can not tell much difference. I like the case on the MS, but they both sound quite good. I record mainly with my 682zx and ZX-7. I found the last batch I bought (last Summer) online; and paid $1.49 for the MS and .99 for the XLII. John ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes I am very curious how others have found the Maxell MS tape to compare to the XL_II. The cost of the Maxell MS is almost 2x that of the XL-II, is it worth the extra cost? Thanks, Rick _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: 2/7/2007 3:33 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 8 07:17:54 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:17:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:30:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: For the nakamichi models that I wrote previously they do all have "classic transport" other than the DRAGON but not necessary means "great classic decks" from my point of view. They might be great decks within their price range when compared with decks manufactured by other vendors. My experience told me that there are decks out there that sound better than these great Nak decks ( forgive me if this statement offends all die-hard Nak fans over here in this forum ). Hi Mike, Let me make one comment about this subject of great decks out there. Some people claim the Tandberg 3014 is one of these decks. Willy Herman, former owner of SF Stereo, Nak dealer in San Fran, told me recently when he was repairing my BX-300 that he had sold many Tandberg 3014's to wealthy clients who lived in the posh neighborhood in the heights above the end of Market Street in SF. They received radio broadcasts from the nearby radio towers on Sutro Heights via their Tandbergs. Impossible to shield. So I've crossed that one off my list. Revox/Studers have head wear life so short they need their heads changed about every 2000 hours, compared to the 10,000 of a good Nak, so I've crossed them off the short list too. I actually wore out one Nak BX-300, and did get about 10,000 hours out of it. all the best Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 07:23:49 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:23:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 vs. CR7 In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CC9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <005901c74b49$b2474720$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Derrick, I've got a CR7 and looking at the specs the only difference I see other than what you mentioned is that the CR7 has 4 motors vs. the CR5 having 3 also the CR7 adds a Subsonic filter and a wireless remote. I'll let others speak on the sonic differences between the 2 decks, since they use the same play/record/erase heads I can't imagine that they sound to far apart other than possible wow/flutter variations that would be minimal at best. I love to tweak things and while looking at the choice of so many fine sounding Nak decks it looked like the most fun to use and listen to. Also I have a sentimental selection of older tapes of my dads band that were recorded on older lesser quality machines and I wanted to be able to get the azimuth just right when copying them over to 96/24 digital. Aside from the Dragon which cost far too much these days the CR7 was a good choice and had all the flexibility that I was looking for. There are full specs for all the Nak decks over at http://www.naks.com/ if you want to compare the two. :-) Analog Rules! Thanks, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Beckner, Derrick Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR5 vs CR7 Hello, Is the CR5 essentially the same as the CR7 minus the calibration and azimuth functions? I've had a Dragon and some high end Yamaha's over the years, and have really preferred the CR5 to any of them as far as playing tapes recorded and played on the same deck. Really think they are the real steals for Nak decks. Of course the Dragon was tops, by far, for playing back tapes from various sources. Even tapes I made on my Kenwood 20 odd years ago sounded really good. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Feb 8 07:47:34 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:47:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions between Maxell MS and XL-II tapes Message-ID: Hi Rick, No it isn't - they are the same tape inside. MS has some of the design features of the high resonsance damping shell of XLII-S - but not all. Cheers - Marc >>> rich_121 at msn.com 2/8/2007 4:04:30 AM >>> I am very curious how others have found the Maxell MS tape to compare to the XL_II. The cost of the Maxell MS is almost 2x that of the XL-II, is it worth the extra cost? Thanks, Rick The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Feb 8 08:13:42 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:13:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: nak fixtures In-Reply-To: <003701c74b35$7c213750$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <45CA960D.9080504@cox.net> <003701c74b35$7c213750$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45CACDA6.1070806@peromarta.org> Yes, it's a great idea. This have been said before, but which ones are the most important ? Or shall we just do them all? How many out there would be interested in a replica? Who is willing to test the replicas ? Tom, would you? Best rgds, lp. soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello Tim > That sounds like a good idea. We can perhaps both take the set and get > into the fabrication at both ends if required .. What do you think Luis > ? Is it ok if Tim sends it over to me and then I send it over to you and > you send it back to Tim ? I Would not need more than 2-3 weeks to show > it to the fabrication people (as samples) and take lots of pics at all > angles and measure them well. > > Let me know > Best > Soumi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tim Barrett > *To:* Luis Peromarta ; > soumitra at soumitrab.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:46 AM > *Subject:* nak fixtures > > I would be willing to send the five that I have; I seldom need to > use them, as you can imagine, but if they were lost I would have a > very difficult time replacing them. The ones that I consider the > most important are the tape guide fixture and the head tilt > fixture. Those are irreplaceable. The stroke guages are really > only needed if you do a total teardown of the transport. The stroke > doesn't change, otherwise. > > I'm no slouch with measuring and drawing, but frankly I don't really > have the time available to spend on this. Getting the angles and > bevels accurately measured will be tricky. Keep in mind they are > certainly built to metric units. > > Why don't the two of you discuss this among yourselves and figure > out how to handle it. I'd like to get these back in my possession > within a few months. Does that sound possible? > > Tim Barrett > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 08:23:57 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:23:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: nak fixtures In-Reply-To: <45CACDA6.1070806@peromarta.org> References: <45CA960D.9080504@cox.net> <003701c74b35$7c213750$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <45CACDA6.1070806@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702072323x3eea5df9w3988d0cdc81ec07d@mail.gmail.com> I would -- IN A HEARTBEAT -- pay $350 - $450 each for replicas of these gauges. No joke. -Tim On 2/8/07, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Yes, it's a great idea. This have been said before, but which ones are > the most important ? Or shall we just do them all? > > How many out there would be interested in a replica? > > Who is willing to test the replicas ? Tom, would you? > > Best rgds, lp. > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > Hello Tim > > That sounds like a good idea. We can perhaps both take the set and get > > into the fabrication at both ends if required .. What do you think Luis > > ? Is it ok if Tim sends it over to me and then I send it over to you and > > you send it back to Tim ? I Would not need more than 2-3 weeks to show > > it to the fabrication people (as samples) and take lots of pics at all > > angles and measure them well. > > > > Let me know > > Best > > Soumi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Tim Barrett > > *To:* Luis Peromarta ; > > soumitra at soumitrab.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:46 AM > > *Subject:* nak fixtures > > > > I would be willing to send the five that I have; I seldom need to > > use them, as you can imagine, but if they were lost I would have a > > very difficult time replacing them. The ones that I consider the > > most important are the tape guide fixture and the head tilt > > fixture. Those are irreplaceable. The stroke guages are really > > only needed if you do a total teardown of the transport. The stroke > > doesn't change, otherwise. > > > > I'm no slouch with measuring and drawing, but frankly I don't really > > have the time available to spend on this. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 8 09:13:42 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:13:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) In-Reply-To: <11FDE5F5-F985-49ED-AECA-F65111D61F21@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <11FDE5F5-F985-49ED-AECA-F65111D61F21@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <9080.212.78.164.66.1170922422.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> 700zxe uses the same RAMM as 680 and 680zx Wouter >> RAMM searches for blank spaces, but only on tapes made on the Nak. In >> record it adds low frequency pulses in the blanks areas. > > I don't think the 680 (actually 680zx) has the subsonic frequencies > as part of its RAMM system; > it only counts blank space. The subsonic encoding on record and > decode on playback was on > the 700zx* and 1000zxl > From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 10:35:50 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 03:35:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <20060922235847.44199.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007001c74b64$858d9610$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn't seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It's nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I'll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 8 12:30:00 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:30:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Message-ID: Hello Andrew & Mark! Yes...as an a "Fuji Erudite" (he...he...he!), I once buy two packages of 3 cassettes wrapped together Fuji DR-ll 100 minutes, "Made in Japan" each cassette, yes is the "Cheaper" type ll double coating formula tape...but the Z-ll is much better & here in Israel I acquired a while ago 2 boxes of 20 cassettes each but in 90 minutes length...for a mere $:20.00 all the two boxes also "Made in Japan" ones. As I own an 100% calibrated Dragon deck, I as able to hear the differences among both Fuji type ll formulas...but if you don't hear any differences, & the DR-ll satisfies, you enjoyed using them! Till a long time, from now with the two Z-ll boxes I'm full loaded! Peace, Alex! > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:02 +0200> From: mhugo at sunint.co.za> To: oldbluesman at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good?> CC: > > Hi Andrew,> > Your description of the DR-II sounds bang on correct - they probably have the formula right. It's balance is on the warm side of neutral. It will need a cut in bias to get a bit more life in the treble register I'm afraid.> > Cheers - Marc> > >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 2/8/2007 11:35 AM >>>> Digging an old thread up here, > > I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit> of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also> has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn't seem to pick up the low> and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II.> > It's nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily> available. I'll be picking more of these up.> > Thanks,> > Andrew> > > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Bob Petrovich> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM> To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good?> > > > Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I> found on sale in a local music store. > > The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually> record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I> haven't had time to try other Naks. > > ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If> you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! > > I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. > > Once again, thanks Marc. > > > Bob> > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject> to legal privilege. 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URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 13:04:27 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:04:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206175652.00852580@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8C919906A6E4B38-508-4CE1@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> Tom, Thanks for your comments. Having removed the faceplate, there does not appear to be anything broken with the eject lever, just that a spring seems to be missing that pushes the door forward. I have unscrewed the perspex window and can pull the door out when activating the lever ok, Just need to identify which spring is the issue now. What's the function of the Whit tube thing? Is it some kind of damper? The belts all look ok and the classic mech is very quiet in it's operation. I have newly acquired a T-100 to measure things but suspect that this is not functioning correctly as the top trace will not settle down like the bottom one. Have pulled all the boards and bent all contacts slightly to improve the connections but the problem persists. Does abyone have experience of these units in terms of checking their functions work correctly / calibration etc? I'd like to get it fixed asap. Will need some kind person to explain in simple English how to use it also, the manual is in Martian or something! Thanks to Tomas's site EBAMAN I have downloaded the procedure for the RAMM functions on the 680ZX (Kby's comments noted - Thanks) model so should be able to sort that out once it's demagged etc (Waiting for Han D Mag to arrive) Has anyone found a suitable belt supplier for the 680 capstan belt? The rest of the rubber belts I have. Pinch rollers look fine but need a clean. Need a new motion sensor lamp, will experiment with some LED's + Resistors which should last longer. Have a supply of white 3V 3mm LED's which should work. BTW, If someone has any side plates to cover the gaps left from the removal of the Rack Ears, I'd like to opportunity to purchase them. Great site, thanks for your help, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech77 at earthlink.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11.56PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) RAMM searches for blank spaces, but only on tapes made on the Nak. In record it adds low frequency pulses in the blanks areas. I wouldn't worry about that until you get the belts replaced. There is a fix for the broken door release, but most people simply glue it. tom brucker At 01:58 PM 2/5/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> On first inspection, a few mechanical issues like door won't open when lever pushed and counter won't reset to zero - just 100. The more significant issue is nothing happens when RAMM button pressed? Will check for loose wires etc when more time, but wondered if this is a common problem with this deck? Any ideas? Apart from that its playing nicely at the moment and well worth £36. Many Thanks, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 8 14:36:37 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:36:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> References: <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45CB2765.4090606@rcn.com> Really Tom! There are other ways to measure W&F except by playing a tape -- for example, optically -- that offer very high precision. I don't know by what means Nakamichi and/or Sankyo measured this spec. Do you? -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Again, there is no Wow and Flutter test tape made with 0.027 % residual, so > these numbers are sales gimmicks. See my previous post. > At Nakamichi's training the engineers laughed about the JIS standard, and > brought up the point about the test tapes. Nakamichi's test tape at had > residual flutter written on the cassette label. Any "measurement" below > the test tape residual flutter was considered by them as invalid. ( the > residual flutter spectrum matched the mechanism used to manufacture the > test tape) > Think of this...I measure a CR 7 and get 0.04% W/F. This is my test > tape residual. What then is the deck's measurement? 0.01%, 0.03%? 0.005% > I do not know the answer. Would I attempt to repair the CR7 since 0.04% is > almost twice the spec??? > > tom brucker > > 04:18 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >> From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: >> W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, >> that use the same transport. >> >> From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: >> W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO >> SPEC. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: >>> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has >>> marginally greater W&F than the other decks. >>> >>> Adrian >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 8 14:46:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:46:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 vs CR7 In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CC9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CC9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <45CB29B5.5050609@rcn.com> Beckner, Derrick wrote: > Hello, > > Is the CR5 essentially the same as the CR7 minus the calibration and > azimuth functions? And a couple of other minor frills... yes. That's what Nakamichi claimed. Note that both the CR-5 and the CR-7 had the same sales brochure. Some months ago I had occasion to carefully compare the sound of a CR-5 to a CR-7 (the CR-7, Sanktified) and found them sonically indistinguishable. What's more, a tape copied from the CR-5 to the CR-7 was almost identical to the original, as played on either machine. -- Ron > > I've had a Dragon and some high end Yamaha's over the years, and have > really preferred the CR5 to any of them as far as playing tapes recorded > and played on the same deck. Really think they are the real steals for > Nak decks. > > Of course the Dragon was tops, by far, for playing back tapes from > various sources. Even tapes I made on my Kenwood 20 odd years ago > sounded really good. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 8 15:01:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:01:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CB2D32.5020001@rcn.com> LOL, Martin... IIRC, Stereophile characterized one silence as the silence of deep space and the other silence as the anticipatory silence in an empty theater. If so inclined, you may research the exact phrasing in the Halcro DM38 mono-block amp review. I am not sure what 'dark' sound (as opposed to the lighter variety) really means. The same for 'fast' sound. Can someone please define these terms? As a simple minded engineer, I view silence as lack of sound, regardless of venue. But this is too simple minded for true subjectivists... -- Ron shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: > "Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of > silence,one of which is better?" > > > Yes, Ron, > > Apparently, there are two forms of silence: > > Plain ordinary, bog standard 'silence' which what we encounter most of the > time, and then there is the extra special 'dark' silence, a much rarer > form :o), ...that is usually only encountered by 'gifted' magazine > reviewers and the 'converted'. > > As a humble chemist, the difference is beyond my comprehension, but I > posed the question to some physicist friends of mine. They have > categorically stated that it is NOT due to phases of the moon, and instead > is directly proportional to solar activity.. the less.. the darker.... It > is the reduced level of stray sub atomic particles that makes silence > 'darker'.. > > I had always thought there was only 'fuzzy' silence, and 'not so fuzzy' > silence, depending upon whether you were using Dolby B or C. > > As to whether a Nakamichi is better at reproducing these various silences, > I'll have to experiment, taking into account transport effects... > > > TIC, > Martin From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 8 15:05:35 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:05:35 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <45CB2D32.5020001@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CCB@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm pretty sure there is silence and not-silence. Oh yea, I wonder how the guys at Stereophile would know the silence of deep space? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org LOL, Martin... IIRC, Stereophile characterized one silence as the silence of deep space and the other silence as the anticipatory silence in an empty theater. If so inclined, you may research the exact phrasing in the Halcro DM38 mono-block amp review. I am not sure what 'dark' sound (as opposed to the lighter variety) really means. The same for 'fast' sound. Can someone please define these terms? As a simple minded engineer, I view silence as lack of sound, regardless of venue. But this is too simple minded for true subjectivists... -- Ron shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: > "Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of > silence,one of which is better?" > > > Yes, Ron, > > Apparently, there are two forms of silence: > > Plain ordinary, bog standard 'silence' which what we encounter most of the > time, and then there is the extra special 'dark' silence, a much rarer > form :o), ...that is usually only encountered by 'gifted' magazine > reviewers and the 'converted'. > > As a humble chemist, the difference is beyond my comprehension, but I > posed the question to some physicist friends of mine. They have > categorically stated that it is NOT due to phases of the moon, and instead > is directly proportional to solar activity.. the less.. the darker.... It > is the reduced level of stray sub atomic particles that makes silence > 'darker'.. > > I had always thought there was only 'fuzzy' silence, and 'not so fuzzy' > silence, depending upon whether you were using Dolby B or C. > > As to whether a Nakamichi is better at reproducing these various silences, > I'll have to experiment, taking into account transport effects... > > > TIC, > Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 8 15:08:00 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:08:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CB2EC0.9020400@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/7/2007 2:08:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > shorty at nznet.gen.nz writes: > > "Did you know that, according to Stereophile, there are two kinds of > silence,one of which is better?" > > I don't know if this is relevant, but when Nakamichi introduced the RAMM > system which allowed the user to find different tracks on a tape, the > big engineering problem was called "watermarking" I believe - being able > to distinguish between silence which was part of the music, and the > silence between tracks. Nak was I think the first company to solve this > problem. > Jeff I am not sure how Nakamichi did it, but other cassette decks simply rely on duration of the silence. For this reason, they require the inter track silence to exceed 5 seconds. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 8 15:20:20 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 In-Reply-To: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45CB31A4.6090904@rcn.com> The BX-2 uses a 2 head, single capstan, belt drive transport. The BX-300 uses a 3 head, dual capstan DD transport. While the two transports are of the same basic design, they are not comparable them at all. -- Ron Evan Lowery wrote: > I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of > idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) > > I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I > installed it, with some difficulty, and other > encounters mentioned later) > > The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't > really tested it a lot over a long time) > About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because > of excess tape slack) > But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- > slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. > > It usually only stops in play because of the tape > slack. > (So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, > or most do) > > A few points: > > 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer > (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler > hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was > all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as > someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) > > 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate > with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed > that the tire is maybe just slightly not on > center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), > but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more > in one area, so there is an uneven movement on > playback. > > Ok more than a few points... > > 3.I know I should just have this thing completely > serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? > Is this the "standard/original?) > > 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such > as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the > idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too > much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... > (Hope it is ok!) > > A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the > BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is > "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did > someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable > transport? > I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned > for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" > deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I > should have known better, except that the guy said he > tested it, (then comes an explative or such) > > Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more > impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter > and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) > (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and > all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") > > What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? > Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think > its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other > fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? > headroom and such? > I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost > double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice > as long; much more informative) > > If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that > would be great. > > Thanks > -Evan > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 15:30:02 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:30:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 In-Reply-To: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181707.17659.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Evan, When you get your LX5 maybe you can do a doby-C comparison between it and other decks. As you probably read, mine may have issues with certain decks. Bob Evan Lowery wrote: I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I installed it, with some difficulty, and other encounters mentioned later) The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't really tested it a lot over a long time) About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because of excess tape slack) But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. It usually only stops in play because of the tape slack. (So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, or most do) A few points: 1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer (metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) 2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed that the tire is maybe just slightly not on center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more in one area, so there is an uneven movement on playback. Ok more than a few points... 3.I know I should just have this thing completely serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? Is this the "standard/original?) 4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... (Hope it is ok!) A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is "better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable transport? I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I should have known better, except that the guy said he tested it, (then comes an explative or such) Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) (I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? headroom and such? I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice as long; much more informative) If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that would be great. Thanks -Evan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 16:00:44 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:00:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <537688.50682.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That RFI problem in the Tandberg should be an easy fix. RFI can get into a device from cables, power cord, directly to the circuit board. No one put out the effort. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/7/2007 9:30:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: For the nakamichi models that I wrote previously they do all have "classic transport" other than the DRAGON but not necessary means "great classic decks" from my point of view. They might be great decks within their price range when compared with decks manufactured by other vendors. My experience told me that there are decks out there that sound better than these great Nak decks ( forgive me if this statement offends all die-hard Nak fans over here in this forum ). Hi Mike, Let me make one comment about this subject of great decks out there. Some people claim the Tandberg 3014 is one of these decks. Willy Herman, former owner of SF Stereo, Nak dealer in San Fran, told me recently when he was repairing my BX-300 that he had sold many Tandberg 3014's to wealthy clients who lived in the posh neighborhood in the heights above the end of Market Street in SF. They received radio broadcasts from the nearby radio towers on Sutro Heights via their Tandbergs. Impossible to shield. So I've crossed that one off my list. Revox/Studers have head wear life so short they need their heads changed about every 2000 hours, compared to the 10,000 of a good Nak, so I've crossed them off the short list too. I actually wore out one Nak BX-300, and did get about 10,000 hours out of it. all the best Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 15:48:17 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:48:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LX5, dolby-C In-Reply-To: <718289.61937.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070207153224.008502d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208084817.0085f610@earthlink.net> I would advise recording at a bit lower level as an experiment . Dolby C also fools around with peaks to provide more headroom. Recording non-linearities are multiplied by compander noise reduction. I'm calibrating a TA2090 Onkyo. It is flat with no NR, Flat with dolby B, shows a lot of left channnel bounce at 15 kHz (head wear) in dolby C which improves if HX is switched on, and the DBX is really unstable, with peaks and dips over 6dB. Have you ever heard of "head bumps"? These are bass frequency contour effects that are a function of recorded wavelength ad head shape. All tape heads have frequency variations in the bass region. Good decks might be +- 2dB. Cassette decks are typically much worse, since the tape speed is slow. Nakamichi designed their heads and EQ to minimize head bumps in their better decks. I doubt the same care went into the cassette deck 1. You may be hearing some interaction caused by head bumps. tom brucker >>>> Tom, Yes I did. I got all the levels set, on both decks. None were very far off, if at all. Your phrase of "not linear" is a good way to describe it. It appears that the bass is enhanced on playback on the LX5. The music recording levels were 0db to plus 5. I've also tried to record below 0db with peaks of less than +3 with the same results. All recordings were from CD. I'll make more tests with other decks. BTW this test was done with both Maxell XL1 and XL2 (not XL2S) Bob Hi Tech wrote: Interesting, I was just playing with a new formula SA-X tape with a CR4, and the dolby B was flat while the C had a +2.5dB boost in the mid-treble. This deck was just calibrated using a T100. I have always felt C was not very linear, but my measurement seems larger than I remember. I assume you get 0Vu @ 400Hz. with Luis' tape on both decks ? tom brucker At 01:19 PM 2/7/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I just got another LX5. this newer one also seems to have issues with dolby-C. When playing back a tape recorded on a "cassette deck 1.5" there's something about it that I just cannot describe. It sounds OK but... When the LX5 records with dolby-C and played back on the 1.5, it sounds great. When a tape recorded with dolby-B on the 1.5 it sounds great played back on the LX5. Maybe one way to somewhat describe the sound is when listening to a single sideband voice with the AGC set too fast. This is not an accurate explanation but close. This experiment that I mentioned a few days ago had issues with the "cassette deck 1" I also made this test with a little CR3 and all is well. I did go through all the alignment procedures with Luis' tape on this newer LX5. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 16:13:36 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:13:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: nak fixtures In-Reply-To: <45CACDA6.1070806@peromarta.org> References: <003701c74b35$7c213750$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <45CA960D.9080504@cox.net> <003701c74b35$7c213750$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208091336.007a4470@earthlink.net> Just wait everyone. I am a few days away from buying a second set. I'll announce it on Naktalk if I succeed. I'd be happy to QC the jigs. I have 3 of the 4 mechanisms here always. (no 700 or 1000) tom At 08:13 AM 2/8/07 +0100, Luis Peromarta wrote: >Yes, it's a great idea. This have been said before, but which ones are >the most important ? Or shall we just do them all? > >How many out there would be interested in a replica? > >Who is willing to test the replicas ? Tom, would you? > >Best rgds, lp. > > >soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Hello Tim >> That sounds like a good idea. We can perhaps both take the set and get >> into the fabrication at both ends if required .. What do you think Luis >> ? Is it ok if Tim sends it over to me and then I send it over to you and >> you send it back to Tim ? I Would not need more than 2-3 weeks to show >> it to the fabrication people (as samples) and take lots of pics at all >> angles and measure them well. >> >> Let me know >> Best >> Soumi >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Tim Barrett >> *To:* Luis Peromarta ; >> soumitra at soumitrab.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:46 AM >> *Subject:* nak fixtures >> >> I would be willing to send the five that I have; I seldom need to >> use them, as you can imagine, but if they were lost I would have a >> very difficult time replacing them. The ones that I consider the >> most important are the tape guide fixture and the head tilt >> fixture. Those are irreplaceable. The stroke guages are really >> only needed if you do a total teardown of the transport. The stroke >> doesn't change, otherwise. >> >> I'm no slouch with measuring and drawing, but frankly I don't really >> have the time available to spend on this. Getting the angles and >> bevels accurately measured will be tricky. Keep in mind they are >> certainly built to metric units. >> >> Why don't the two of you discuss this among yourselves and figure >> out how to handle it. I'd like to get these back in my possession >> within a few months. Does that sound possible? >> >> Tim Barrett >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 16:21:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:21:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem In-Reply-To: <8C919906A6E4B38-508-4CE1@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070206175652.00852580@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208092111.0084ee10@earthlink.net> What breaks is the release cable sleeve clamp, so the cable can no longer pull on the lock lever. White tube is a damper, and the spring helps the door open. Someone stripped the silicone out of the damper, and took off the spring to slow the door down. All that stuff is repairable. I am trying to have some classic capstan belts made in bulk. Stay tuned I can repair T100s. Several NakTalkers have rack ears to sell. The T100 manual is as good as you can get for the consumer. It is written for the consumer. Just be patient and try each function, following the book. Do not try to "read between the lines". tom brucker At 07:04 AM 2/8/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Thanks for your comments. Having removed the faceplate, there does not appear to be anything broken with the eject lever, just that a spring seems to be missing that pushes the door forward. I have unscrewed the perspex window and can pull the door out when activating the lever ok, Just need to identify which spring is the issue now. What's the function of the Whit tube thing? Is it some kind of damper? The belts all look ok and the classic mech is very quiet in it's operation. I have newly acquired a T-100 to measure things but suspect that this is not functioning correctly as the top trace will not settle down like the bottom one. Have pulled all the boards and bent all contacts slightly to improve the connections but the problem persists. Does abyone have experience of these units in terms of checking their functions work correctly / calibration etc? I'd like to get it fixed asap. Will need some kind person to explain in simple English how to use it also, the manual is in Martian or something! Thanks to Tomas's site EBAMAN I have downloaded the procedure for the RAMM functions on the 680ZX (Kby's comments noted - Thanks) model so should be able to sort that out once it's demagged etc (Waiting for Han D Mag to arrive) Has anyone found a suitable belt supplier for the 680 capstan belt? The rest of the rubber belts I have. Pinch rollers look fine but need a clean. Need a new motion sensor lamp, will experiment with some LED's + Resistors which should last longer. Have a supply of white 3V 3mm LED's which should work. BTW, If someone has any side plates to cover the gaps left from the removal of the Rack Ears, I'd like to opportunity to purchase them. Great site, thanks for your help, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech77 at earthlink.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11.56PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { height: 1px; width: 1px; overflow: hidden; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } RAMM searches for blank spaces, but only on tapes made on the Nak. In record it adds low frequency pulses in the blanks areas. I wouldn't worry about that until you get the belts replaced. There is a fix for the broken door release, but most people simply glue it. tom brucker At 01:58 PM 2/5/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> On first inspection, a few mechanical issues like door won't open when lever pushed and counter won't reset to zero - just 100. The more significant issue is nothing happens when RAMM button pressed? Will check for loose wires etc when more time, but wondered if this is a common problem with this deck? Any ideas? Apart from that its playing nicely at the moment and well worth £36. Many Thanks, Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("Naktalk%40naks.com",>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("hitech77%40earthlink.net",>mailto:hitech77 at ea rthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("Naktalk%40naks.com",>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 16:36:55 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:36:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <45CB2765.4090606@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <0096901222AA6941B93CCAE655D8EB6E0206D27F@CSD-EXBE-VS2.lsbu.ac.uk> <3.0.3.32.20070206175651.00853850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208093655.0084fc30@earthlink.net> The industry standard is to use a test tape,which Nakamichi produced by some very interesting methods (we talked about this last year ) and measure with a specified meter. There are DIN standards, NAB standards, CCIR, and JIS standards, each with different weighting systems. The test tape has 3kHz or 3.15kHz tone recorded on it. There is a residual W/F measurement on each tape, which is the minimum level where a measurement has any significance. The meter filters out the 3/3.15 tone during playback, and measures the peak or RMS values of what remains. Some exotic meters have separate filters to display Wow only or Flutter only . My Kenwood FL-180A meter is an excellent one with all these features. The NAk T100 is simplified, but I like the fact that the display has no meter needle slowness to it, and find it useful in the unweighted mode. I am clueless how the 0.027% figure might have been obtained. My training was based on what manufacturers would teach us. When the BX 300 was built, training had ceased. I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that specifications are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited examples of marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear references to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my points are getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. Just let me know. tom brucker At 08:36 AM 2/8/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Really Tom! There are other ways to measure W&F except >by playing a tape -- for example, optically -- that offer >very high precision. I don't know by what means Nakamichi >and/or Sankyo measured this spec. Do you? > >-- Ron > > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Again, there is no Wow and Flutter test tape made with 0.027 % residual, so >> these numbers are sales gimmicks. See my previous post. >> At Nakamichi's training the engineers laughed about the JIS standard, and >> brought up the point about the test tapes. Nakamichi's test tape at had >> residual flutter written on the cassette label. Any "measurement" below >> the test tape residual flutter was considered by them as invalid. ( the >> residual flutter spectrum matched the mechanism used to manufacture the >> test tape) >> Think of this...I measure a CR 7 and get 0.04% W/F. This is my test >> tape residual. What then is the deck's measurement? 0.01%, 0.03%? 0.005% >> I do not know the answer. Would I attempt to repair the CR7 since 0.04% is >> almost twice the spec??? >> >> tom brucker >> >> 04:18 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, >>> that use the same transport. >>> >>> From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO >>> SPEC. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: >>>> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has >>>> marginally greater W&F than the other decks. >>>> >>>> Adrian >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 16:44:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]"too expensive" In-Reply-To: <869558.32200.qm@web30310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208094418.0084fcc0@earthlink.net> One mission I have here is to offer repairs on vintage Naks. I don't have a huge stock of parts, so in some sense I am limited. Please contact me for estimates before assuming that your quality Nak will be "too expensive" to repair. I want to respect ESL and Mr. Sank for what they do. I cannot offer the level of rebuilding ESL offers, and accordingly I do not charge what they charge. Discussions of prices do not belong on a news group. tom brucker At 06:13 PM 2/7/07 -0800, you wrote: >I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of >idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) > >I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I >installed it, with some difficulty, and other >encounters mentioned later) > >The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't >really tested it a lot over a long time) >About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because >of excess tape slack) >But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- >slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. > >It usually only stops in play because of the tape >slack. >(So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, >or most do) > >A few points: > >1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer >(metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler >hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was >all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as >someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) > >2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate >with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed >that the tire is maybe just slightly not on >center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), >but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more >in one area, so there is an uneven movement on >playback. > >Ok more than a few points... > >3.I know I should just have this thing completely >serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? >Is this the "standard/original?) > >4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such >as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the >idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too >much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... >(Hope it is ok!) > >A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the >BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is >"better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did >someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable >transport? >I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned >for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" >deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I >should have known better, except that the guy said he >tested it, (then comes an explative or such) > >Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more >impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter >and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) >(I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and >all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") > >What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? >Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think >its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other >fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? >headroom and such? >I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost >double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice >as long; much more informative) > >If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that >would be great. > >Thanks >-Evan > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Cheap talk? >Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >http://voice.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 17:17:47 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:17:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <007001c74b64$858d9610$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <542640.84010.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn’t seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It’s nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I’ll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 17:45:56 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 08:45:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070208093655.0084fc30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <895876.57399.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom I think people have really missed what you tried to pass on eventhought they are saying the same! From my observation, any Nak can sound better than any other Nak - due to aging and other factors including its current condition. I have heard wonderful BX300 and really bad BX300. Same thing goes for 670ZX which is my favorite machine because of its excellent playback ( low THD ). 670ZX sounded wonderful probably because of its simple circuitry as well as the components. My observation is that it is possible to have widely varying sound quality today directly attributable to the machine condition. But when you have well maintained machines or machines like Dragon due to its Servo controlled DD motor with huge flywheel hubs, do produce consistant sound. Practical measurement techniques do not exist today to measure 0.027% W&F. This is a fact as I cannot even lay my hands on 3KHz nakamichi test tape. So somebody assuming that their Deck' W&F is as per the spec - It is not true. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: The industry standard is to use a test tape,which Nakamichi produced by some very interesting methods (we talked about this last year ) and measure with a specified meter. There are DIN standards, NAB standards, CCIR, and JIS standards, each with different weighting systems. The test tape has 3kHz or 3.15kHz tone recorded on it. There is a residual W/F measurement on each tape, which is the minimum level where a measurement has any significance. The meter filters out the 3/3.15 tone during playback, and measures the peak or RMS values of what remains. Some exotic meters have separate filters to display Wow only or Flutter only . My Kenwood FL-180A meter is an excellent one with all these features. The NAk T100 is simplified, but I like the fact that the display has no meter needle slowness to it, and find it useful in the unweighted mode. I am clueless how the 0.027% figure might have been obtained. My training was based on what manufacturers would teach us. When the BX 300 was built, training had ceased. I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that specifications are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited examples of marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear references to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my points are getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. Just let me know. tom brucker At 08:36 AM 2/8/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Really Tom! There are other ways to measure W&F except >by playing a tape -- for example, optically -- that offer >very high precision. I don't know by what means Nakamichi >and/or Sankyo measured this spec. Do you? > >-- Ron > > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Again, there is no Wow and Flutter test tape made with 0.027 % residual, so >> these numbers are sales gimmicks. See my previous post. >> At Nakamichi's training the engineers laughed about the JIS standard, and >> brought up the point about the test tapes. Nakamichi's test tape at had >> residual flutter written on the cassette label. Any "measurement" below >> the test tape residual flutter was considered by them as invalid. ( the >> residual flutter spectrum matched the mechanism used to manufacture the >> test tape) >> Think of this...I measure a CR 7 and get 0.04% W/F. This is my test >> tape residual. What then is the deck's measurement? 0.01%, 0.03%? 0.005% >> I do not know the answer. Would I attempt to repair the CR7 since 0.04% is >> almost twice the spec??? >> >> tom brucker >> >> 04:18 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, >>> that use the same transport. >>> >>> From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO >>> SPEC. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: >>>> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has >>>> marginally greater W&F than the other decks. >>>> >>>> Adrian >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 18:54:41 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:54:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <895876.57399.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <749155.67651.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, I am in total agreement with Kannan on the condition of a deck for great sound. All else aside, the Dragon is still in my humble opinion the playback king of all decks, even the mighty 1000zxl and its limited big brother. Theres something about the Dragon's sweetness in playback that even my CR7( well calibrated and running) or zx9 CAN'T MATCH. On the same token, considering recording, the Zx 9 beats them all hands down, no matter which tapes you feed it after calibration and bias and azimuth are adjusted. Are you guys in agreement or have I started a new round of discussions? I hope I have......isnt that what this forum is all about? regards, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Tom I think people have really missed what you tried to pass on eventhought they are saying the same! From my observation, any Nak can sound better than any other Nak - due to aging and other factors including its current condition. I have heard wonderful BX300 and really bad BX300. Same thing goes for 670ZX which is my favorite machine because of its excellent playback ( low THD ). 670ZX sounded wonderful probably because of its simple circuitry as well as the components. My observation is that it is possible to have widely varying sound quality today directly attributable to the machine condition. But when you have well maintained machines or machines like Dragon due to its Servo controlled DD motor with huge flywheel hubs, do produce consistant sound. Practical measurement techniques do not exist today to measure 0.027% W&F. This is a fact as I cannot even lay my hands on 3KHz nakamichi test tape. So somebody assuming that their Deck' W&F is as per the spec - It is not true. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: The industry standard is to use a test tape,which Nakamichi produced by some very interesting methods (we talked about this last year ) and measure with a specified meter. There are DIN standards, NAB standards, CCIR, and JIS standards, each with different weighting systems. The test tape has 3kHz or 3.15kHz tone recorded on it. There is a residual W/F measurement on each tape, which is the minimum level where a measurement has any significance. The meter filters out the 3/3.15 tone during playback, and measures the peak or RMS values of what remains. Some exotic meters have separate filters to display Wow only or Flutter only . My Kenwood FL-180A meter is an excellent one with all these features. The NAk T100 is simplified, but I like the fact that the display has no meter needle slowness to it, and find it useful in the unweighted mode. I am clueless how the 0.027% figure might have been obtained. My training was based on what manufacturers would teach us. When the BX 300 was built, training had ceased. I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that specifications are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited examples of marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear references to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my points are getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. Just let me know. tom brucker At 08:36 AM 2/8/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Really Tom! There are other ways to measure W&F except >by playing a tape -- for example, optically -- that offer >very high precision. I don't know by what means Nakamichi >and/or Sankyo measured this spec. Do you? > >-- Ron > > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Again, there is no Wow and Flutter test tape made with 0.027 % residual, so >> these numbers are sales gimmicks. See my previous post. >> At Nakamichi's training the engineers laughed about the JIS standard, and >> brought up the point about the test tapes. Nakamichi's test tape at had >> residual flutter written on the cassette label. Any "measurement" below >> the test tape residual flutter was considered by them as invalid. ( the >> residual flutter spectrum matched the mechanism used to manufacture the >> test tape) >> Think of this...I measure a CR 7 and get 0.04% W/F. This is my test >> tape residual. What then is the deck's measurement? 0.01%, 0.03%? 0.005% >> I do not know the answer. Would I attempt to repair the CR7 since 0.04% is >> almost twice the spec??? >> >> tom brucker >> >> 04:18 PM 2/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> From the Nak CR-5 (Sankyo transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.027% WTD peak. Same for MR-1, BX-300 and CR-7, >>> that use the same transport. >>> >>> From the 582 (classic transport) service manual: >>> W&F: 0.1% WTD RMS. THAT'S ALMOST 4 TIMES THE SANKYO >>> SPEC. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Budd, Adrian Mark wrote: >>>> Jeff, not sure how you read that data which to me shows BX-300 has >>>> marginally greater W&F than the other decks. >>>> >>>> Adrian >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 21:09:14 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:09:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]"too expensive" In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070208094418.0084fcc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <716435.75100.qm@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Tom your doing a great job I appreciate everything you have done for my BX-300 I know that I am new to this group but when I bought this deck on E-bay my intention was to send it to either you or Stephen sank for calibration and whatever else it needed. Before I did buy i did do my home work to find out who had the right tools to do the job right. So between you and Stephen I think I have a pretty good deck. thanks Tom PS hope you get over that cold my thoughts Hi Tech wrote: One mission I have here is to offer repairs on vintage Naks. I don't have a huge stock of parts, so in some sense I am limited. Please contact me for estimates before assuming that your quality Nak will be "too expensive" to repair. I want to respect ESL and Mr. Sank for what they do. I cannot offer the level of rebuilding ESL offers, and accordingly I do not charge what they charge. Discussions of prices do not belong on a news group. tom brucker At 06:13 PM 2/7/07 -0800, you wrote: >I recently purchased a BX-2 on eBay, it had sympoms of >idler problems.(Hey only about $80 with shipping) > >I got the tire upgrade from ES Labs on ebay. I >installed it, with some difficulty, and other >encounters mentioned later) > >The problems have basically lessened so far (haven't >really tested it a lot over a long time) >About 2 minutes in play maybe longer, it stops because >of excess tape slack) >But the deck now, I think, has never done this tape- >slack-sensing-stop in FF or RR. > >It usually only stops in play because of the tape >slack. >(So glad this Nak has this feature, maybe they all do, >or most do) > >A few points: > >1. My deck only had a tiny (3-4 mm?) lock washer >(metal) on the shaft and the black plastic idler >hub(with old worn and cracked idler tire), that was >all. No black plastic piece behind the hub. (as >someone mentioned about a BX-300, I think) > >2. It's a really good idea to watch the deck operate >with the metal plate off in the well, as I noticed >that the tire is maybe just slightly not on >center(maybe I can seat/even it out a little better), >but mainly the rubber on the idler motor is worn more >in one area, so there is an uneven movement on >playback. > >Ok more than a few points... > >3.I know I should just have this thing completely >serviced and cal'd to SA-X and MA (same adjustments? >Is this the "standard/original?) > >4. But, what do you think I can do myself? Parts? Such >as the piece behind the hub, and the rubber on the >idler motor? Also I don't want to really spend too >much yet, because an LX-5 should be coming shortly... >(Hope it is ok!) > >A side question: Ok, there has been so much about the >BX-300 vs the LX-5 has anyone said which really is >"better"? The LX weighs a fair amount more, but did >someone say the BX-300 has a better/more stable >transport? >I got an inoperable BX-300 on eBay(quickly returned >for the $305 rip off price for a "perfectly working" >deck... oh that was in storage for over 15 years, I >should have known better, except that the guy said he >tested it, (then comes an explative or such) > >Anyway, the BX-300 transport did not look more >impressive than the BX-2, just more cluttered, lighter >and harder to clean, (I love how open the BX-2 is) >(I know the 300 has the 3 heads and the pad lifter and >all, but still, it seemed a bit "loose") > >What differences are there between the BX-2 and LX-5? >Interestingly spec wise very little, so I would think >its more on characteristics(and the 3 head, and other >fancy features), lower tighter bass? mids? highs? >headroom and such? >I can tell the LX-5 is more deluxe, (aside from almost >double price of the BX-2) by the manual (about twice >as long; much more informative) > >If anyone has help,(advice or parts) or comments, that >would be great. > >Thanks >-Evan > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Cheap talk? >Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >http://voice.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 8 21:46:12 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:46:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) Message-ID: <7381484D-2AA9-4F6F-913B-052010E0DE57@alumni.caltech.edu> > 700zxe uses the same RAMM as 680 and 680zx > Ah, so that is probably the major difference between the 700zxe and 700zxl...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 8 22:04:23 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:04:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Silence Message-ID: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> I don't think I want to defend whatever Stereophile was actually talking about about different types of silence, but I will propose some out-of-the-box ways to think about the concept at least First, one can think of the physical definition of silence, but in the context of music there is an added psychological dimension, just as the experience of hearing "good" (for some loose definition of "good") music is different than just hearing a bunch of tones. Argue that that is brain chemistry if you like, but even if you want to say that, it's still true that the experience of silence is more than just lack of vibration One can even hand-wave a bit and say that the approach to and departure from silence changes the experience (not the physical dimension of, but the experience) of silence; even a mathematician can argue that infinity differs depending on how you approach it. There are those musical or even mathematical savants, or those who experience sound with heightened senses--associating colors or shapes to sounds, numbers, and so forth in a consistent manner. Again, even though it's a psychological dimension, it doesn't make it less real to the "experiencer". As someone with perfect pitch I do tend to be more sensitive to key relationships in music and the type of music that composers wrote in different keys. OK, some of that is due to open string resonances and such, but there's still an association there between the different harmonic content and the experience of the sound waves. Similarly the experience of silence can be different than the silence itself is depending on its surroundings. Again, I don't want to defend what was being specifically proposed in the magazine article, just concept of experience, viewpoint, if you will being different than the definition. I would also not presume to always understand things as completely as we thought we did. Whereas the phenomena that science seeks to explain might not change, our understanding of them over time does change in often very dramatic ways over time! -kby From N4229K at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:24:11 2007 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:24:11 EST Subject: [naktalk] Pioneer Multiplay series Cassette Deck Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I know this is not a Nak question but I can't find anyone to explain the differences between the Pioneer multiplay series. What are the differences between the CT-M55R, the CT- WM 62R, the CT-M66R, the CT-WM70R and the CT-WM77R for starters. I know some have 6 tapes and some have 7 but I mean the unseen differences. A brochure would be great if anyone can lay their hands on one. I believe the 55 has no remote and some cannot record on the six stack. Also I think the 55 66 and 77 are earlier decks than the 62 and 70. I'm not really sure. No one has created any thing close in models in true multi play (i.e., random play, etc.). I think it is very interesting product before the CD killed the Great Cassette Deck Era. By the way I'm back in my new home since August and still not totally organized but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I should be done with my shop and totally set up by April 1, 2007. I do have quite a few projects in the mill that should help the Nak community but will only tell of them when they succeed. Stay well, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793-4641 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:25:44 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:25:44 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem Message-ID: With a bit of fiddling, have now got the counter loosened up a bit, and it returns to Zero ok. Memory working and the RAMM function is fine. The damper for the door travel is missing the internal spring, anyone out there have one? Otherwise the best investment yet. 5 naks now. (Space for lots more) It's been playing non stop for hours now. Need to locate a 1000zxl. (I have read the posts about the temperamental ones!) I love the meters on the 680 which are the same as the 1000zxl I think. Anyone able to produce a tape to check the speed for the half speed function on the 680 Luis? Tom, the T-100 will be on it's way to you once you mail the shipping address, many thanks. Wouldn't mind finding a TD-560 car deck now or the TD-1200 Limited if anyone would like to part with one. (Some of you have 2 I believe!) Many Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 8 22:28:07 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:28:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain (You know where from!) In-Reply-To: <7381484D-2AA9-4F6F-913B-052010E0DE57@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <7381484D-2AA9-4F6F-913B-052010E0DE57@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <45CB95E7.9080807@xs4all.nl> Well you can see it as a big brother of the 680ZX or a little brother of the ZXL's. It is very much like the 680ZX only it has automated level calibration the same RAMM, but it lacks the advanced RAMM and the E in ABLE with it's ZXL brothers, that is all feature wise... Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> 700zxe uses the same RAMM as 680 and 680zx >> > Ah, so that is probably the major difference between the 700zxe and > 700zxl...-kby From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:29:50 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:29:50 EST Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Message-ID: Went down a deep cave the other week, now that's silent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 8 22:32:23 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:32:23 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD8@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio magazines makes me laugh out loud, like $100 2oz. titanium discs hung over your toilet on a Thursday during a full moon will make your $1000 amp sound like a $10,000 amp. Or $8000 interconnects made of pure platinum shielded with virgin's blood, Rasputin's back hair, and encased in vulcanized moon rock that "present a unprecedented openness never before experienced in the history of man". Every product is the best, every improvement is dramatic, you get the picture. Short of a sensory deprivation chamber, it's pretty near impossible to experience silence, especially where we listen to music. Now if they want to explain levels of "quietness" or something like that, that's fine. I can buy "warm quietness" or "stark quietness", etc. Audio reviewers shouldn't mess with scientific absolutes. Or winners like "it literally made my wall disappear!". Really? The misuse of "literally" in our society drives me insane, just like Crazy Eddie. I certainly agree there is some music that naturally appeals to people, I've witnessed this over the years with my son (now 9) exploring my music collection (1000s of CD, tape, records, and now Rhapsody) and without any real prodding by me, has preferred classics like "Stairway to Heaven", "Free Bird", "Hey Jude", "Back In Black" rather than King Crimson, Beethoven or The Fabulous Poodles. Some music is just instantly accessible for some reason. I've heard the "crescendo affect" may be one, a song that starts slow and get progressively more intense or quick (Stairway is a perfect example, as is Freebird, come to think of it). Of course his favorite is Weird Al Yankovic. Who to his credit, is really clever and has a terrific band. And plays a mean polka. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org I don't think I want to defend whatever Stereophile was actually talking about about different types of silence, but I will propose some out-of-the-box ways to think about the concept at least First, one can think of the physical definition of silence, but in the context of music there is an added psychological dimension, just as the experience of hearing "good" (for some loose definition of "good") music is different than just hearing a bunch of tones. Argue that that is brain chemistry if you like, but even if you want to say that, it's still true that the experience of silence is more than just lack of vibration One can even hand-wave a bit and say that the approach to and departure from silence changes the experience (not the physical dimension of, but the experience) of silence; even a mathematician can argue that infinity differs depending on how you approach it. There are those musical or even mathematical savants, or those who experience sound with heightened senses--associating colors or shapes to sounds, numbers, and so forth in a consistent manner. Again, even though it's a psychological dimension, it doesn't make it less real to the "experiencer". As someone with perfect pitch I do tend to be more sensitive to key relationships in music and the type of music that composers wrote in different keys. OK, some of that is due to open string resonances and such, but there's still an association there between the different harmonic content and the experience of the sound waves. Similarly the experience of silence can be different than the silence itself is depending on its surroundings. Again, I don't want to defend what was being specifically proposed in the magazine article, just concept of experience, viewpoint, if you will being different than the definition. I would also not presume to always understand things as completely as we thought we did. Whereas the phenomena that science seeks to explain might not change, our understanding of them over time does change in often very dramatic ways over time! -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 8 22:42:36 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:42:36 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found onlist.dsbl.org - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Now that would be damn silent. Was is "warm", "heavy", "gooey"? :-) ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found onlist.dsbl.org - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Went down a deep cave the other week, now that's silent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:45:55 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:45:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: Ram, I started to talk about this a while back - especially about the CR-7 being awesome. Someone then countered that the Dragon must need calibration if it didn't sound as good as the CR-7. Well, the dragon is now spot on and definitely has a different sound which is starting to grow on me. The "new" 680, though not checked for calibration, has a lovely tone. I have a U-24(Pioneer) program selector unit which allows 4 decks to be set up and run side by side with simple switching to listed to each in turn - now that's something to look forward to. Will definitely make sure all decks are calibrated first though. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 8 22:47:24 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:47:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem Message-ID: > I love the meters on the 680 which are the same as the 1000zxl I > think. I should probably not mention this and increase your lust factor, but the 1000zxl's meters are bigger and have more segments than the 680's. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 8 22:48:19 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:48:19 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CDA@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Speaking of which, I just ordered a Carver C9 Sonic Hologram unit. I used to have a C1 preamp before I got my TA-4 receiver (loads of inputs, remote for the Nak decks, and really impressive power) and the effect of that thing was very, very cool. I guess at it's basis it eliminates "crosstalk" (or something along those lines) but whatever it does (and there was a very long, scientific, over my head description) was very enjoyable. "Virtually" made my walls disappear. :) Impressions of the TA receivers seem to vary, but the amp is quite impressive and even though it's 20 years old, everything works perfectly. _____________________________ Again, even though it's a psychological dimension, it doesn't make it less real to the "experiencer". As someone with perfect pitch I do tend to be more sensitive to key relationships in music and the type of music that composers wrote in different keys. OK, some of that is due to open string resonances and such, but there's still an association there between the different harmonic content and the experience of the sound waves. Similarly the experience of silence can be different than the silence itself is depending on its surroundings. From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:48:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:48:51 EST Subject: [SPAM] - [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found onlist.dsbl Message-ID: Rather damp, and with the lighting off - maybe a bit... heavy (Opressive?) You can't hear a thing, but sometimes you imagine you can. Definitely can't see anything. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 22:50:45 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:50:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem Message-ID: DROOLING already. See Luis's site for great pics of them - Its now my wallpaper! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 23:02:35 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:02:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem Message-ID: Anyone tried the RM-580 Remote in the 680? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Feb 8 23:02:19 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:02:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] specs In-Reply-To: <200702081557.l18FvcUw007790@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702081557.l18FvcUw007790@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <833B4A5B-F06D-4578-880D-EAD2F463A491@mac.com> Tom, your pleas do not fall on deaf ears (as it were). Here's a simple test that shows that specs are not everything when it comes to the listening experience. Play a tape on your Nak. While it's playing, pull on your ear lobe. Does the sound change? Yes. Do the specs of your deck change? No. Given that we are all unique individuals, it stands to reason that the experience of good sound varies based on physiology, psychology and circumstance. Specs measure the properties of electronics, not the properties of an experience. That's not to say that some correlations can't be made between good specs and good sound. Just that specs, like so many things in life, are not absolutes. From my point of view, that's one of the things that makes hi-fi fun. cheers, Fred On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that > specifications > are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited > examples of > marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear > references > to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my > points are > getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. > Just let > me know. > > tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 23:21:24 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:21:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration Message-ID: <703011.53040.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a question on the ZX7 calibration. I just received one that I bought from e-bay. On the bias calibration there's 6 buttons above the record level and output level knobs. The book shows two knobs on each of these 6 buttons and it looks like a light between the knobs. On this unit, there's no knobs or light on any of these 6 buttons. I haven't got the deck home yet to try it. What am I missing? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 8 23:26:36 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:26:36 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration Message-ID: Are there covers in situ over the knobs (2 each) and lights? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 23:44:34 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <583720.62390.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's it! I had no idea they were covers! Wow I feel stupid. This deck appears to be in very good condx. I hope it works as well as it looks. Thanks, Bob Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Are there covers in situ over the knobs (2 each) and lights? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 00:11:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:11:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD8@ddas19.ddar.psu.e du> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> , Beckner, Derrick wrote: >Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to spend some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution that will reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind about this stuff that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, but I have heard enough that defies my ability to rationally explain, to keep my mind open. If given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many perfer to listen to tubes. We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with a $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, manufactured by Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had invented a noise circuit, produced by Advent for $199, that improved cassette sound, but who in their right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and heard the music beyond. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 8 23:47:00 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:47:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070208164700.0085c6a0@earthlink.net> For half speed, set the frequency counter at 1.5kHz, or if you are a musician, 1 octave lower! Try the TD 800 car stereo too. In the real world, the TD500 or 700 were top performers. tom brucker At 04:25 PM 2/8/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> With a bit of fiddling, have now got the counter loosened up a bit, and it returns to Zero ok. Memory working and the RAMM function is fine. The damper for the door travel is missing the internal spring, anyone out there have one? Otherwise the best investment yet. 5 naks now. (Space for lots more) It's been playing non stop for hours now. Need to locate a 1000zxl. (I have read the posts about the temperamental ones!) I love the meters on the 680 which are the same as the 1000zxl I think. Anyone able to produce a tape to check the speed for the half speed function on the 680 Luis? Tom, the T-100 will be on it's way to you once you mail the shipping address, many thanks. Wouldn't mind finding a TD-560 car deck now or the TD-1200 Limited if anyone would like to part with one. (Some of you have 2 I believe!) Many Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 00:25:01 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259327.81503.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, that program selector sounds like exactly what I need! do you have a pic of it that you can e-mail me? wotbob at sbcglobal.net Bob Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, I started to talk about this a while back - especially about the CR-7 being awesome. Someone then countered that the Dragon must need calibration if it didn't sound as good as the CR-7. Well, the dragon is now spot on and definitely has a different sound which is starting to grow on me. The "new" 680, though not checked for calibration, has a lovely tone. I have a U-24(Pioneer) program selector unit which allows 4 decks to be set up and run side by side with simple switching to listed to each in turn - now that's something to look forward to. Will definitely make sure all decks are calibrated first though. Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Fri Feb 9 00:55:01 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:55:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D20@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi Bob I have a ZX-9, which is very similar to the 7, and if the unit is complete, there are 6 plastic covers which cover the knobs and led in between. They are a bit of a pain, and I leave mine off, but I think you will find that is what you are seeing. Regards David ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 8:21 AM To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration I have a question on the ZX7 calibration. I just received one that I bought from e-bay. On the bias calibration there's 6 buttons above the record level and output level knobs. The book shows two knobs on each of these 6 buttons and it looks like a light between the knobs. On this unit, there's no knobs or light on any of these 6 buttons. I haven't got the deck home yet to try it. What am I missing? Thanks, Bob This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Feb 9 01:09:09 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:09:09 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] ] Silence - - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826C82@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Oh absolutely there is great stuff out there, but the "tweaks" some of these guys peddle are utter crap, and the hyperbole involved is almost ubiquitous. That is certainly not to say some expensive hardware isn't worth every penny of it. I know my Dragon (I miss her!) was. I have the means to buy "mid-fi" and the improvement over my entry level stuff as a kid is dramatic. If I could afford to go out and purchase Krell, McIntosh or Linn stuff, I would likely give them a fighting change. :) I've also come to find the most important piece of equipment is the recording. A crappily produced piece of music will sound bad on CD, or Lp on tape on a $1000 system or a $10,000 system. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Hi Tech Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 6:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] ] Silence - - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org , Beckner, Derrick wrote: >Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to spend some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution that will reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind about this stuff that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, but I have heard enough that defies my ability to rationally explain, to keep my mind open. If given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many perfer to listen to tubes. We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with a $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, manufactured by Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had invented a noise circuit, produced by Advent for $199, that improved cassette sound, but who in their right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and heard the music beyond. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Feb 9 01:10:39 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:10:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Future of Nak service References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826C83@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> How long into the future will we beable to use our lovely machines? Parts are scarce, service is scattered, repair is high. I suppose if Reel to Reel has survived this long, something as pervasive as cassette decks should survive even longer, but how about Naks specifcally? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2458 bytes Desc: not available URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Feb 9 01:19:10 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:19:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] specs In-Reply-To: <833B4A5B-F06D-4578-880D-EAD2F463A491@mac.com> References: <200702081557.l18FvcUw007790@zxe.naks.com> <833B4A5B-F06D-4578-880D-EAD2F463A491@mac.com> Message-ID: <45CBBDFE.30006@whiteapple.u-net.com> To put all this in perspective, a little scenario. There you are not feeling not at all well after being admitted to hospital. Laying in bed you are connected up to a batch of machines monitoring your life signs. Suddenly the doctor comes in and starts switching machines around and trying different cables to try and get a "warmer" signal that he likes over the one being obtained at present. He strides off into the corridor and comes back with a 30 year old box filled with valves which when switched on glow in the dark and give off loads of heat. Thats better he says, the readings are much warmer now, thats a lot better and listen to the silence between signals! Well at this point I just might start to hope that another doctor comes along and takes over from this one. Its valid to talk about preferring the audible characteristics of one particular collection of components to another, its valid to state that in one particular specific situation you find something more pleasing than another but unless you use the criteria that the components you listen to reproduce as closely as possible the signals going in (and surely this is measurable) isn't it meaningless to state that one thing is better than another. Just my 50 pence worth. Doug Locke. Fred Lifton wrote: > Tom, your pleas do not fall on deaf ears (as it were). Here's a simple > test that shows that specs are not everything when it comes to the > listening experience. > > Play a tape on your Nak. While it's playing, pull on your ear lobe. > Does the sound change? Yes. Do the specs of your deck change? No. > Given that we are all unique individuals, it stands to reason that the > experience of good sound varies based on physiology, psychology and > circumstance. Specs measure the properties of electronics, not the > properties of an experience. That's not to say that some correlations > can't be made between good specs and good sound. Just that specs, like > so many things in life, are not absolutes. > > From my point of view, that's one of the things that makes hi-fi fun. > > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that >> specifications >> >> are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited >> examples of >> >> marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear references >> >> to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my >> points are >> >> getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. >> Just let >> >> me know. >> >> >> tom brucker >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 01:50:00 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:50:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <542640.84010.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007801c74be4$3b9118e0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I'm sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I'm not adjusting it I'm not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn't have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn't seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn't using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I'm sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It's just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn't seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It's nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I'll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 01:50:13 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:50:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D20@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <480360.19639.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, Yep I got it. You should have seen me looking at the book, pics on the internet, looking again at the deck trying to figure out what the heck is going on! Funny now! Thanks, Bob David King wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Hi Bob I have a ZX-9, which is very similar to the 7, and if the unit is complete, there are 6 plastic covers which cover the knobs and led in between. They are a bit of a pain, and I leave mine off, but I think you will find that is what you are seeing. Regards David --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 8:21 AM To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 calibration I have a question on the ZX7 calibration. I just received one that I bought from e-bay. On the bias calibration there's 6 buttons above the record level and output level knobs. The book shows two knobs on each of these 6 buttons and it looks like a light between the knobs. On this unit, there's no knobs or light on any of these 6 buttons. I haven't got the deck home yet to try it. What am I missing? Thanks, Bob --------------------------------- This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Feb 9 02:24:46 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:24:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: specs In-Reply-To: <200702090051.l190peZi018246@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702090051.l190peZi018246@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug, No, I don't think it's meaningless because of the effect of informed consensus. We all agree that our Naks sound "better" than many other decks. And we agree because our experience (not just our specs) tells us so. We just can't prove it in any absolute empirical sense. We can use empiricism (aka, specs) to back up our claims, but because the perception of sound is not a simple "thing" but rather an experience, we can't ever prove absolutely, to everyone, all the time, that Naks sound "better." Nor can we say, with objective certainty, what we mean by better. It's not enough to say that deck X sounds more "real", because "real" is a moving target. A "real" cymbal crash will sound different depending on the room in which it's hit, the gear that's used to mic it (or not), the listener's mood, the cleanliness of his ear canals on that evening, etc., etc. None of that is to say that we can't state that something is better, it's just to say that it takes a group of people, experiences and objective measurement all working together to come to a consensus that something is better. For that reason, there's no way to "prove" better-ness. Perhaps someday some clever group of scientists will be able to come up with a set of metrics which will allow us to quantify all of the variables that go into the listening experience (though I doubt it). But until that day comes, I'll never believe that something sounds good on the basis of its specifications alone. I have to hear it (or at least hear it described by a group of people I trust who have come to a consensus that this thing sounds good). That's why I tend to believe it's true that a Dragon can sound great on play-back, because a group of people whose experience and judgement I trust say so AND because the spec sheet says so AND because when I heard one in 1981, it sounded great to me. Sorry if this is a little philosophical for NakTalk, but I'm not engineer enough to contribute to the technical conversations. cheers, Fred On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Locke wrote: > Its valid to talk about preferring the audible characteristics of one > particular collection of components to another, its valid to state > that > in one particular specific situation you find something more pleasing > than another but unless you use the criteria that the components you > listen to reproduce as closely as possible the signals going in (and > surely this is measurable) isn't it meaningless to state that one > thing > is better than another. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 9 06:14:53 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:14:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello Bob & Andrew, As today "I'm a Fuji Z-ll" fan (The ONLY available to buy cassette here in Israel TODAY!!!), with my lovely % 100% calibrated since 1984 that leave the factory Dragon with his "Manually" calibration. I do as written at the Owners manual just touching the "0" level, led at "level 400 Hz" & Bias 15,000 Hz level. The recording amplitude/gain goes till +5 led at the "Loudest" whole music...NO problem at all...sounds just exactly as the source. (BTW...I always record with Dolby NR OFF). It's truth that the Dragon & most of the Nak units were calibrated to TDK series tape cassettes per example EX TDK AD; SX TDK SA Later units SA-X, ZX TDK Metal. When I brought such 3 packages of 3 Fuji DR-2 100 minutes each cassette (Made in Japan), & compared with the Z-ll one, I hear with the cheaper DR-ll more tape hiss, & a little bit "Muffled" sound among the source & recording tape trough my ARC-SP-9-ll preamp monitor/source switch, and speakers of course. However if you acquired such DR-ll cheap...enjoy them...! Peace, Alex! _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: Better results, fast http://get.live.com/search/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Fri Feb 9 07:34:13 2007 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:34:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: W&F, BX300vs LX-5, 582Z, etc Message-ID: Hi Everyone, There has certainly been a flurry of comment on the above recently, and only just catching up on the details, so forgive me if some of my comments are retreading the topics..... Jeff.. I would say that your comments on the 'sound' from your BX300 in comparison to the LX-5 and 582Z is an excellent example of how we all hear, interpret, and appreciate sound differently. My BX300 is the only Nak I have owned from new, yet when I aquired a moderate mileage 582Z some years later, I found that I slightly prefered this machine over the BX300, and definitely for recording,( probably due to the ability to calibrate to the tape in use) yet my BX300 was in 'technically' far better condition. The BX300 is still a great deck though, and there are several on this list, myself included, that have rated this model as the best value value/bang for your buck machine, as you have. As for the W&F spec battle and classic vs sankyo.. I gave up 'spec' chasing eons ago..when 20W RMS amps suddenly turned into "Zillion" Watt music power behemoths at the hands of marketing people!!...W&F to three decimal places, etc..have you ever seen a Japanese sales brochure with a bad spec??. None of it told the average punter very much. In my stint in audio retail, all the average punter wanted to know about an amp was did it look good, did it sound good to them, how many inputs, and if a bit keen..how many watts could it churn out. As for THD, channel cross talk, signal to noise ratio.. Que? Same with cassette decks..which is why the market went to double dodgy decks.. market driven!. The fact that back then I could sell you two decent single decks at the same or less than the price of one decidely average double deck didn't even come into the equation.. convenience was the driver. Turntables... well, sold badly.. CD was king.. and the more lights on the front the better.. not forgetting the 'must have" remote control, which on a single disc player is marginally more useful than fluffy dice (IMHO). The person that came into the shop and started asking about the finer details were almost always magazine readers more intent on proving how clever they were: Tyre kickers in the extreme, and never bought much outside of a blank tape. The serious 'audiophile' simply came in, asked to listen to this or that, haggled a bit, then went home with their 'box', and were often the easiest people to sell to. There were exceptions to every rule of course! The debate over the W&F merits of the two main forms of Nakamichi transport, what I read now is a technical arguement for arguements sake, and is starting to mirror the 'Turntable' direct drive vs belt drive debate of the late 80's, and that was a very heated affair.... In general terms of W&F, rumble etc, DD's had it all over belt drive turntables, (as do they appear to also in terms of Nakamichi's published specs).. DD's were 'technically' superior so won the battle on that score, but in practicle terms lost the war, except in the DJ circles for obvious reasons. I run DD,belt, and idler drive TT's.. so I can have a bob three ways, and don't care about published specs. If I can hear W&F, then to me, the decks needs some work. W&F 'improves' on paper with each generation of deck, and the BX300 far exceeds the 600 in that respect, yet I cannot detect it aurally and I am as (very) happy listening to music played back on the 600 as I am the BX300. My auditioning process is to put 'X' in, and see if I get 'X' out, and if not why not, and can I live with it. I have done many back to back comparisons with my many Naks, and other decks too, all totally out of curiosity. The differences are more intrinsic with the electronics and the way each circuit has 'modified' the input, and I never noticed any mechanical effects or modifications of the input regardless of what the published specs might indicate. (I am not saying they are not there, I am saying im cannot hear them.) To me, I enjoy the differences in sound that the various models of Nak produce, and for the same reasons I like experimenting with the variations(modifications)possible from changing arm/cartridge combo's on a turntable.. and you can certainly get some differences there. Lastly, the BX2 isn't 'crap', it is just ugly.. we have had that debate before. The later BX series (100/125/150), and later CR/DR single capstan incarnations were a relatively successful attempt at taking the product down market. The idler issue, which also affects the BX300 and CR5, is not confined to Nakamichi. Sankyo made off the peg mechanisms, and similar transports can be found in some Sansui's for one.. with the same problems.. Enjoy your weekends.. chheers, Martin From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 9 09:49:19 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:49:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: <8C91A3E524EA17C-10C8-8ECA@MBLK-R09.sysops.aol.com> Bob, A quicker solution - Look at this link: http://www.audioscope.net/pioneer-u-24-switch-unit-p-914.html?manufacturers_id=20 In requires no power input and comes up on various sites for under $200. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Feb 9 12:19:57 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:19:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Valve Preamplifier oportunity. Message-ID: <45CC58DD.5060802@peromarta.org> Dear all, First of all, please excuse me for this clearly OT message, which has nothing to do with Nakamichi. Wouter, I would understand if this message does not get trough. As probably some of you may know, I am the appointed Post Sales Rapair Center for McIntosh Hi-Fi products in Spain. I have been offered from a distributor, a brand new 230V unit of a C2200 Tube preamplifier, as can be seen here: http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shopdisplayproducts.asp?hid=1&id=18&cat=Audio+Control+Centers&prodid=1038&product=C2200 And a review from stereophile here: http://www.stereophile.com/tubepreamps/577/ This unit I have for sale is "Collector's Limited Edition", that comes in gold finish, not silver finish as in the web link. Only a few of thses where made, to match the limited edition of this MC2000 power amp: http://www.stereophile.com/tubepoweramps/283/ The unit for sale is BRAND NEW, IN THE BOX, AND UNOPENED, comes with a world-wide 2 year guarantee, and is sold by an authorized McIntosh dealer in Spain, and we ship to anywhere in Europe. Any questions, please contact me off list. Thanks for you time and best rgds, LP. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 9 15:03:42 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silence In-Reply-To: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <45CC7F3E.80508@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: > I don't think I want to defend whatever Stereophile was actually talking > about about different types > of silence, but I will propose some out-of-the-box ways to think about > the concept at least > > First, one can think of the physical definition of silence, but in the > context of music there is > an added psychological dimension, just as the experience of hearing > "good" (for some loose > definition of "good") music is different than just hearing a bunch of > tones. Argue that that is brain > chemistry if you like, but even if you want to say that, it's still true > that the experience of silence is > more than just lack of vibration > > One can even hand-wave a bit and say that the approach to and departure > from silence changes > the experience (not the physical dimension of, but the experience) of > silence; even a mathematician > can argue that infinity differs depending on how you approach it. > > There are those musical or even mathematical savants, or those who > experience sound with heightened > senses--associating colors or shapes to sounds, numbers, and so forth in > a consistent manner. Again, > even though it's a psychological dimension, it doesn't make it less real > to the "experiencer". As someone > with perfect pitch I do tend to be more sensitive to key relationships > in music and the type of music that composers > wrote in different keys. OK, some of that is due to open string > resonances and such, but there's still > an association there between the different harmonic content and the > experience of the sound waves. > Similarly the experience of silence can be different than the silence > itself is depending on its surroundings. > > Again, I don't want to defend what was being specifically proposed in > the magazine article, just concept of > experience, viewpoint, if you will being different than the definition. > I would also not presume to always understand > things as completely as we thought we did. Whereas the phenomena that > science seeks to explain might > not change, our understanding of them over time does change in often > very dramatic ways over time! > -kby Kimo, Silence is NOT an emotional/psychological concept, it's a physical (as in, Physics) one. It means, 'Lack of sound'. If you wish to treat it as a subjectivist concept, you need to invent a new word for it. The current one is already clearly defined. There's only one kind of silence. Stereophile is using 'Silence' out of context because that's where their bread is coming from. And also because the audiophools that buy their magazine are willing (nay, eager!) to buy the BS they are peddling. BTW, that was just one example of Stereophile's subjectivist games, among many others. (For example, their devotion to SET amps. But this one requires some lengthy technical explanations to show how stupid it is, so I won't even mention it.) -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 9 15:16:30 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:16:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] specs In-Reply-To: <833B4A5B-F06D-4578-880D-EAD2F463A491@mac.com> References: <200702081557.l18FvcUw007790@zxe.naks.com> <833B4A5B-F06D-4578-880D-EAD2F463A491@mac.com> Message-ID: <45CC823E.60103@rcn.com> Fred Lifton wrote: > [........] > > Specs measure the properties of electronics, not the properties of an > experience. Did anyone ever say different? To be more scientifically precise, I would say the specs define properties of equipment. Not the listener's ears. Not even if a listener is present or not > That's not to say that some correlations can't be made > between good specs and good sound. Just that specs, like so many things > in life, are not absolutes. But that's exactly where I disagree, Fred. Specs *are* absolute. The listener's experience isn't. -- Ron > > From my point of view, that's one of the things that makes hi-fi fun. > > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> I have tried, perhaps in vain, to share with NakTalkers that >> specifications >> >> are not the be-all end-all when it comes to audio. I have cited >> examples of >> >> marketing tricks, measurement tricks, and gimmicks, yet I hear references >> >> to this machine specs and that ones better specs. I'm afraid my points are >> >> getting lost. I can try to offer more depth, or drop the subject. Just let >> >> me know. >> >> >> tom brucker From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 15:18:54 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <007801c74be4$3b9118e0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <318668.10579.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was curious if the Fuji's bias needs was close enuff for a "bias fine tune" on the front of some decks or if you had to go inside and adjust for it. I'll have to look around and see if any are in stores here in N California. Bob Andrew Jones wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I’m sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I’m not adjusting it I’m not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn’t have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn’t seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn’t using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I’m sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It’s just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn’t seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It’s nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I’ll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 15:30:43 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:30:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7722.33058.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have read a few times now about the Fuji with the added "made in Japan" When looking at a Fuji should I look for a made in Japan? Are some made somewhere else that should be avoided? Bob Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hello Bob & Andrew, As today "I'm a Fuji Z-ll" fan (The ONLY available to buy cassette here in Israel TODAY!!!), with my lovely % 100% calibrated since 1984 that leave the factory Dragon with his "Manually" calibration. I do as written at the Owners manual just touching the "0" level, led at "level 400 Hz" & Bias 15,000 Hz level. The recording amplitude/gain goes till +5 led at the "Loudest" whole music...NO problem at all...sounds just exactly as the source. (BTW...I always record with Dolby NR OFF). It's truth that the Dragon & most of the Nak units were calibrated to TDK series tape cassettes per example EX TDK AD; SX TDK SA Later units SA-X, ZX TDK Metal. When I brought such 3 packages of 3 Fuji DR-2 100 minutes each cassette (Made in Japan), & compared with the Z-ll one, I hear with the cheaper DR-ll more tape hiss, & a little bit "Muffled" sound among the source & recording tape trough my ARC-SP-9-ll preamp monitor/source switch, and speakers of course. However if you acquired such DR-ll cheap...enjoy them...! Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- Live Search: Better results, fast Try it now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 15:42:39 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:42:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z In-Reply-To: <8C91A3E524EA17C-10C8-8ECA@MBLK-R09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <435747.28960.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not cheap! I've been thinking of making something for switching. I have a very large surplus electronics store near me. I'll have to go in with my imagination and look around. Bob benstratford at aol.com wrote: Bob, A quicker solution - Look at this link: http://www.audioscope.net/pioneer-u-24-switch-unit-p-914.html?manufacturers_id=20 In requires no power input and comes up on various sites for under $200. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 15:27:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Future of Nak service In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826C83@ddas19.ddar.psu.e du> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070209082749.0085d100@earthlink.net> I can't afford to retire any time soon. I am 54. Parts are a bear, but so far the one I know I am stuck on is a Dragon play head. We try collecting donor parts machines when available, improvise, and beg. I won't throw out a date, but you are correct that the repair options are diminishing. Tom brucker At 07:10 PM 2/8/07 -0500, Beckner, Derrick wrote: >How long into the future will we beable to use our lovely machines? Parts are scarce, service is scattered, repair is high. I suppose if Reel to Reel has survived this long, something as pervasive as cassette decks should survive even longer, but how about Naks specifcally? > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\winmail3.dat" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 9 15:49:50 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:49:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 vs LX-5, 582Z Message-ID: <8C91A70AFA1E2C4-10C8-9A0B@MBLK-R09.sysops.aol.com> Agreed Bob. Some with poor cosmetics are cheaper, ($80) but still a lot for something that should be easy to make and have widespread demand. I have only 6 decks at the moment, and would not use them all regularly enough without this device. What do the guys with loads of decks use I wonder? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Feb 9 15:56:46 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:56:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: specs In-Reply-To: References: <200702090051.l190peZi018246@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45CC8BAE.9070307@whiteapple.u-net.com> Hello Fred My background includes some work on scientific instrumentation and the basic principle underlying this is that for a scientific experiment to be valid, the results need to be independent of subjective evaluation and reproduceable given the same conditions. If you wish to say that you regard something as "better" for your particular purpose and that some other people agree with your subjective use of the term better, then I am comfortable with that. I believe that within my particular sphere of experience Nakamichi decks are amongst the "best" methods of reproducing music given what I am willing and able to spend on the equipment. But if I wanted to record the output of a flame photometer for instance, a completely different set of criteria would have to be used, i.e based on something other than an unprovable opinion. Faithful recording and replay of the original signal would be the overriding consideration and in a way independent of (within reason) what cables connect the instrument and where the signal is replayed or who listens/views the output. Regards. Doug. Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Doug, > No, I don't think it's meaningless because of the effect of informed > consensus. We all agree that our Naks sound "better" than many other > decks. And we agree because our experience (not just our specs) tells > us so. We just can't prove it in any absolute empirical sense. We can > use empiricism (aka, specs) to back up our claims, but because the > perception of sound is not a simple "thing" but rather an experience, > we can't ever prove absolutely, to everyone, all the time, that Naks > sound "better." Nor can we say, with objective certainty, what we mean > by better. It's not enough to say that deck X sounds more "real", > because "real" is a moving target. A "real" cymbal crash will sound > different depending on the room in which it's hit, the gear that's > used to mic it (or not), the listener's mood, the cleanliness of his > ear canals on that evening, etc., etc. None of that is to say that we > can't state that something is better, it's just to say that it takes a > group of people, experiences and objective measurement all working > together to come to a consensus that something is better. For that > reason, there's no way to "prove" better-ness. > > Perhaps someday some clever group of scientists will be able to come > up with a set of metrics which will allow us to quantify all of the > variables that go into the listening experience (though I doubt it). > But until that day comes, I'll never believe that something sounds > good on the basis of its specifications alone. I have to hear it (or > at least hear it described by a group of people I trust who have come > to a consensus that this thing sounds good). That's why I tend to > believe it's true that a Dragon can sound great on play-back, because > a group of people whose experience and judgement I trust say so AND > because the spec sheet says so AND because when I heard one in 1981, > it sounded great to me. > > Sorry if this is a little philosophical for NakTalk, but I'm not > engineer enough to contribute to the technical conversations. > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Locke wrote: > >> Its valid to talk about preferring the audible characteristics of one >> >> particular collection of components to another, its valid to state that >> >> in one particular specific situation you find something more pleasing >> >> than another but unless you use the criteria that the components you >> >> listen to reproduce as closely as possible the signals going in (and >> >> surely this is measurable) isn't it meaningless to state that one thing >> >> is better than another. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 17:09:42 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:09:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <318668.10579.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c74c64$b62c5df0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Let me know your results if you find any, I would be interested to see how everyone else likes them. You can order some from Fry's Electronics or Outpost.com in a 4+1 pack or a 10 pack. I was able to pick some up at our local Houston Fry's, they are cheaper than the Maxell tapes. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? I was curious if the Fuji's bias needs was close enuff for a "bias fine tune" on the front of some decks or if you had to go inside and adjust for it. I'll have to look around and see if any are in stores here in N California. Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I'm sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I'm not adjusting it I'm not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn't have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn't seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn't using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I'm sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It's just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn't seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It's nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I'll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. 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URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 17:15:20 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:15:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7722.33058.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c74c65$7f8b4530$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Bob, The DR-II tapes I got at Fry's say that they are made in China, however parts come from all over so it's quite possible that the tape was made in Japan and assembly took place in China. Alex, Thanks for all the feedback on the DR-II tapes, I am looking for a source of the Z-II tapes and I can't find any here in the states but would love to try them. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) I have read a few times now about the Fuji with the added "made in Japan" When looking at a Fuji should I look for a made in Japan? Are some made somewhere else that should be avoided? Bob Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Bob & Andrew, As today "I'm a Fuji Z-ll" fan (The ONLY available to buy cassette here in Israel TODAY!!!), with my lovely % 100% calibrated since 1984 that leave the factory Dragon with his "Manually" calibration. I do as written at the Owners manual just touching the "0" level, led at "level 400 Hz" & Bias 15,000 Hz level. The recording amplitude/gain goes till +5 led at the "Loudest" whole music...NO problem at all...sounds just exactly as the source. (BTW...I always record with Dolby NR OFF). It's truth that the Dragon & most of the Nak units were calibrated to TDK series tape cassettes per example EX TDK AD; SX TDK SA Later units SA-X, ZX TDK Metal. When I brought such 3 packages of 3 Fuji DR-2 100 minutes each cassette (Made in Japan), & compared with the Z-ll one, I hear with the cheaper DR-ll more tape hiss, & a little bit "Muffled" sound among the source & recording tape trough my ARC-SP-9-ll preamp monitor/source switch, and speakers of course. However if you acquired such DR-ll cheap...enjoy them...! Peace, Alex! _____ Live Search: Better results, fast Try it now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Fri Feb 9 17:23:54 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX alignment and calibration Message-ID: <01fa01c74c66$b1b31ff0$6701a8c0@main> I got Luis's alignment tapes. I have on hand both a Dragon and a 682ZX. I tweaked the Dragon to the point that it will play back the 15K tone at -20dB in both directions with the azimuth motor indicator having very little deflection when the tape is reversed in direction. It may move 1/16 to 1/8 inch difference with the different direction of playback. The indicator is within about 1/8 inch of the center mark. I think it is in pretty good alignment now. When I play the 400 and 1000 cps tapes on the 682ZX, they are on the 0dB mark with signal maxed out and with meters now calibrated per the service manual. The 3000 cps tape plays at -5 dB as it should also. I cannot peak the 15k cps signal any further and the best I can do is about -25 to - 30 dB. A tape recorded on the dragon at -20 dB and played back on the 682ZX hits -30dB at best despite my adjustment of the Dragon record head azimuth to try to best match the adjustment motor position of the Luis test tape. The 682ZX however does record and play back tones at -20 dB very well. If I record a -20dB signal on the 682ZX it does play at -20 on the dragon after a very minor movement of the azimuth motor pointer. Maybe 1/8 to 1/16 inch movement. I can understand my inability to get even closer on the directional change azimuth difference could be some factor in how the 682 recording is not as aligned as Luis's tape but am concerned about not being able to get the deck to play Luis's tape at 0 dB. Anyone think of what I am doing wrong that I cannot get the -20 dB calibration tape to read above -30 to -25 on short peaks on the 682ZX or am I just being too picky? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 17:29:31 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:29:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <000001c74c64$b62c5df0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <895032.41061.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good excuse for a trip to Fry's! The problem with Fry's is you just can't walk in and get what you came for, you have to get more toys! They are the best place for meter leads etc so when I'm there I have to stock up! Bob Andrew Jones wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Let me know your results if you find any, I would be interested to see how everyone else likes them. You can order some from Fry’s Electronics or Outpost.com in a 4+1 pack or a 10 pack. I was able to pick some up at our local Houston Fry’s, they are cheaper than the Maxell tapes. Thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? I was curious if the Fuji's bias needs was close enuff for a "bias fine tune" on the front of some decks or if you had to go inside and adjust for it. I'll have to look around and see if any are in stores here in N California. Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I’m sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I’m not adjusting it I’m not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn’t have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn’t seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn’t using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I’m sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It’s just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn’t seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It’s nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I’ll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. 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URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 17:33:00 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:33:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: specs In-Reply-To: <45CC8BAE.9070307@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <001001c74c67$f72862b0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Hi All, This is a great topic, good stuff. To me anything in life is subject to personal assimilation, specifications and feature lists are there for us as consumers to get down to a range of equipment or hardware that we feel could suit our needs but from there it's all a matter of personal preference. When I go shopping for my next piece of stereo equipment, I'll nail down which ones I like via Specs, then I'll look to others opinions after that it just boils down to if I like it or not? for whatever reasons. There are so many equipment manufacturing quality issues, shipping issues, handling issues, environmental issues, personal issues and differences in various manufacturer specifications that it just doesn't leave room for everyone to find perfection in their audio equipment via specifications alone but it sure gets us close. Thanks, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:57 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: specs Hello Fred My background includes some work on scientific instrumentation and the basic principle underlying this is that for a scientific experiment to be valid, the results need to be independent of subjective evaluation and reproduceable given the same conditions. If you wish to say that you regard something as "better" for your particular purpose and that some other people agree with your subjective use of the term better, then I am comfortable with that. I believe that within my particular sphere of experience Nakamichi decks are amongst the "best" methods of reproducing music given what I am willing and able to spend on the equipment. But if I wanted to record the output of a flame photometer for instance, a completely different set of criteria would have to be used, i.e based on something other than an unprovable opinion. Faithful recording and replay of the original signal would be the overriding consideration and in a way independent of (within reason) what cables connect the instrument and where the signal is replayed or who listens/views the output. Regards. Doug. Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Doug, > No, I don't think it's meaningless because of the effect of informed > consensus. We all agree that our Naks sound "better" than many other > decks. And we agree because our experience (not just our specs) tells > us so. We just can't prove it in any absolute empirical sense. We can > use empiricism (aka, specs) to back up our claims, but because the > perception of sound is not a simple "thing" but rather an experience, > we can't ever prove absolutely, to everyone, all the time, that Naks > sound "better." Nor can we say, with objective certainty, what we mean > by better. It's not enough to say that deck X sounds more "real", > because "real" is a moving target. A "real" cymbal crash will sound > different depending on the room in which it's hit, the gear that's > used to mic it (or not), the listener's mood, the cleanliness of his > ear canals on that evening, etc., etc. None of that is to say that we > can't state that something is better, it's just to say that it takes a > group of people, experiences and objective measurement all working > together to come to a consensus that something is better. For that > reason, there's no way to "prove" better-ness. > > Perhaps someday some clever group of scientists will be able to come > up with a set of metrics which will allow us to quantify all of the > variables that go into the listening experience (though I doubt it). > But until that day comes, I'll never believe that something sounds > good on the basis of its specifications alone. I have to hear it (or > at least hear it described by a group of people I trust who have come > to a consensus that this thing sounds good). That's why I tend to > believe it's true that a Dragon can sound great on play-back, because > a group of people whose experience and judgement I trust say so AND > because the spec sheet says so AND because when I heard one in 1981, > it sounded great to me. > > Sorry if this is a little philosophical for NakTalk, but I'm not > engineer enough to contribute to the technical conversations. > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Doug Locke wrote: > >> Its valid to talk about preferring the audible characteristics of one >> >> particular collection of components to another, its valid to state that >> >> in one particular specific situation you find something more pleasing >> >> than another but unless you use the criteria that the components you >> >> listen to reproduce as closely as possible the signals going in (and >> >> surely this is measurable) isn't it meaningless to state that one thing >> >> is better than another. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 18:07:43 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:07:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <895032.41061.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c74c6c$d08207b0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Oh I know, I easily spend $50 or more every time I walk in there, what a great place:-) Take care, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Good excuse for a trip to Fry's! The problem with Fry's is you just can't walk in and get what you came for, you have to get more toys! They are the best place for meter leads etc so when I'm there I have to stock up! Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Let me know your results if you find any, I would be interested to see how everyone else likes them. You can order some from Fry's Electronics or Outpost.com in a 4+1 pack or a 10 pack. I was able to pick some up at our local Houston Fry's, they are cheaper than the Maxell tapes. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? I was curious if the Fuji's bias needs was close enuff for a "bias fine tune" on the front of some decks or if you had to go inside and adjust for it. I'll have to look around and see if any are in stores here in N California. Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I'm sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I'm not adjusting it I'm not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn't have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn't seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn't using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I'm sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It's just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn't seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It's nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I'll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 18:09:36 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:09:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? In-Reply-To: <318668.10579.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007801c74be4$3b9118e0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070209110936.0085c6c0@earthlink.net> In the old days Fuji type 2 required a tad less bias, certainly within the range of a fine tune control. 10 o'clock maybe? tom brucker At 06:18 AM 2/9/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I was curious if the Fuji's bias needs was close enuff for a "bias fine tune" on the front of some decks or if you had to go inside and adjust for it. I'll have to look around and see if any are in stores here in N California. Bob Andrew Jones wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Bob, I kept the recording levels the same so I could tell the difference between the output levels of the tapes I was using. I was using Eric Clapton Slow Hand SACD, Nora Jones Come Away with Me SACD and Ray Charles Genius Loves Company SACD played from my Pioneer DV-563A upgraded with the 1.906 firmware. TDK SA-90 and Maxell XL-II 90 were the other tapes I was comparing it too since they are all readily available in the US. Since the CR-7A auto calibrates each tapes azimuth, level and bias so I�m sure that the Fuji is set differently than the other tapes I tested. Since I�m not adjusting it I�m not sure how far off the bias adjustment is compared to the Maxell and TDK, which after the discussion about the CR-5 I wish I had one so I could control the bias adjustment just to be able to get more information here. As far as the tapes are concerned the Maxell seems to boost the low and high end of the music compared to the source, the TDK tapes sounded much more flat and were almost indistinguishable from the source recordings other than the fact that the output of the tape seems to be a bit higher than the Fuji, not just at one end of the sound but across the full range of music. I thought the Fuji sounded equally as good as the TDK, it didn�t have the extra output that the TDK had but I actually liked it more since it didn�t seem to sound any different from the source except the slight noise floor inherent to all tapes. I wasn�t using any Dolby to do any of this and while the results I have here are easily duplicated on my equipment I�m sure that folks with other decks and ears will have other opinions. If anyone can it would be cool if someone else could try the same tests so we could compare results. It�s just exciting to find a type II tape that is cheap, available and that sounds good. Happy Listening, Andrew ---------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:18 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Andrew, Did you have to do any bias or level adjustments for the Fuji? Bob Andrew Jones wrote: Digging an old thread up here, I recently came across some Fuji DR-II tapes and picked them up. After a bit of subjective listening I find that the noise floor is very low and it also has such a natural sound very natural, it doesn�t seem to pick up the low and high ends of the music like the Maxell XL-II. It�s nice to find another good double layer Type II tape that is readily available. I�ll be picking more of these up. Thanks, Andrew ---------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Petrovich Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fuji DR-II made in china - any good? Following Marc Hugo's advice I took a plunge and scooped all FUJI DR-IIs I found on sale in a local music store. The results with RX-505 are excellent, especially with Dolby B. I usually record without Dolby, but the tape hiss can be heard on silent passages). I haven't had time to try other Naks. ZII is better, but DR-II is quite acceptable, no worse than newer SA-X. If you find it at a bargain price, stock up ! I hope this advice will be usefull for other Nakkers. Once again, thanks Marc. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 9 19:01:31 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:01:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: Dear Andrew, IF...your obtained Fuji DR-ll say "Made in China"...is ALL made in China, as IF the tape was imported to China from Japan, they 100% surely will write Assembled in China - Tape made in Japan...as I just found in my ample cassettes collection an a Fuji FR...that is written on the cardboard, tape from Japan assembled in USA. Yes is a cassette 25 years old! Peace,ALEX! From: oldbluesman at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] (no subject)Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:15:20 -0600 Bob, The DR-II tapes I got at Fry’s say that they are made in China, however parts come from all over so it’s quite possible that the tape was made in Japan and assembly took place in China. Alex, Thanks for all the feedback on the DR-II tapes, I am looking for a source of the Z-II tapes and I can’t find any here in the states but would love to try them. Thanks, Andrew From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob NaylorSent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:31 AMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) I have read a few times now about the Fuji with the added "made in Japan" When looking at a Fuji should I look for a made in Japan? Are some made somewhere else that should be avoided? BobAlex Cozac wrote: Hello Bob & Andrew, As today "I'm a Fuji Z-ll" fan (The ONLY available to buy cassette here in Israel TODAY!!!), with my lovely % 100% calibrated since 1984 that leave the factory Dragon with his "Manually" calibration. I do as written at the Owners manual just touching the "0" level, led at "level 400 Hz" & Bias 15,000 Hz level. The recording amplitude/gain goes till +5 led at the "Loudest" whole music...NO problem at all...sounds just exactly as the source. (BTW...I always record with Dolby NR OFF). It's truth that the Dragon & most of the Nak units were calibrated to TDK series tape cassettes per example EX TDK AD; SX TDK SA Later units SA-X, ZX TDK Metal. When I brought such 3 packages of 3 Fuji DR-2 100 minutes each cassette (Made in Japan), & compared with the Z-ll one, I hear with the cheaper DR-ll more tape hiss, & a little bit "Muffled" sound among the source & recording tape trough my ARC-SP-9-ll preamp monitor/source switch, and speakers of course. However if you acquired such DR-ll cheap...enjoy them...! Peace,Alex! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 9 20:49:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:49:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45CCD050.5020407@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Beckner, Derrick wrote: >> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >> magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... > > I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to spend > some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution that will > reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind about this stuff > that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, but I have heard enough > that defies my ability to rationally explain, to keep my mind open. Tom, I so enjoy trading words with you exactly because of that trait. However, if you received the email that came my way yesterday, telling me that I have just won $10,000,000 (ten million bucks) and please send them $300 for mailing the check to me, would you still keep an open mind? I didn't :-) . > If > given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time > the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an > effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! > Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many > perfer to listen to tubes. True. But, why is it so? Because some people define 'good equipment' as that whose sound pleases them most. Personally, though, I prefer equipment that has no sound of its own at all, but rather, passes the sound without coloring it in any way. Those people prefer tube electronics for precisely the reason I dislike it: it is distorted (albeit in a form that pleases some people). > We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as > Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. 'The experience' is highly personal. Play a recording for ten people and each will have their own -- quite different -- 'experience'. The experience is highly subjective. Not only is it unquantifiable, it would be useless (for the purpose of evaluating equipment) even if it was quantifiable, because, that quantity would only be meaningful to the person that produced it. Bottom line: my view is that 'the experience' is embodied in the recording, not the equipment. The equipment job is to pass it along, modified as little as possible. Now, if you like tubes anyway, I keep and open mind and agree that to each his own. But please do not tell me that 'tubes are better'. This is one Brooklyn bridge I won't buy. Peace, -- Ron > My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main > showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with a > $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, manufactured by > Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had invented a noise circuit, > produced by Advent for $199, that improved cassette sound, but who in their > right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? > So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and > staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the > dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. > I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and > heard the music beyond. > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 9 21:44:03 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:44:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <45CCD050.5020407@rcn.com> Message-ID: <493610.1588.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Can you imagine this debate on speakers. Holy cow would that open a can of worms! I don't see any opinions on the "cassette deck 1 & 1.5" I have both of these and they sound great. They both sound as close as I can imagine any deck sounding to the original source. Now I don't, and haven't listened to a dragon so... Bob Ron wrote: Hi Tech wrote: > Beckner, Derrick wrote: >> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >> magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... > > I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to spend > some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution that will > reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind about this stuff > that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, but I have heard enough > that defies my ability to rationally explain, to keep my mind open. Tom, I so enjoy trading words with you exactly because of that trait. However, if you received the email that came my way yesterday, telling me that I have just won $10,000,000 (ten million bucks) and please send them $300 for mailing the check to me, would you still keep an open mind? I didn't :-) . > If > given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time > the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an > effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! > Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many > perfer to listen to tubes. True. But, why is it so? Because some people define 'good equipment' as that whose sound pleases them most. Personally, though, I prefer equipment that has no sound of its own at all, but rather, passes the sound without coloring it in any way. Those people prefer tube electronics for precisely the reason I dislike it: it is distorted (albeit in a form that pleases some people). > We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as > Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. 'The experience' is highly personal. Play a recording for ten people and each will have their own -- quite different -- 'experience'. The experience is highly subjective. Not only is it unquantifiable, it would be useless (for the purpose of evaluating equipment) even if it was quantifiable, because, that quantity would only be meaningful to the person that produced it. Bottom line: my view is that 'the experience' is embodied in the recording, not the equipment. The equipment job is to pass it along, modified as little as possible. Now, if you like tubes anyway, I keep and open mind and agree that to each his own. But please do not tell me that 'tubes are better'. This is one Brooklyn bridge I won't buy. Peace, -- Ron > My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main > showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with a > $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, manufactured by > Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had invented a noise circuit, > produced by Advent for $199, that improved cassette sound, but who in their > right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? > So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and > staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the > dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. > I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and > heard the music beyond. > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 9 22:30:50 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:30:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <45CCD050.5020407@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005f01c74c91$92e8aec0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Ron, Do you know of any equipment that reproduces perfectly that which emanated either from the musician's instrument or the amplification they were using? If not then how are we to determine what perfect reproduction is? It could be that one set of equipment makes a better job of reproducing that sound than another. Because a perfect COPY of a sound recording may or may not be better achieved with your favourite equipment doesn't necessarily make it sound like the original instrument. If that is acheivable with any other equipment, be it solid state or analogue, than that equipment has made a better job of reproducing the original sound, regardless of the measurements of that equipment. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 February 2007 19:50 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ] Silence - Hi Tech wrote: > Beckner, Derrick wrote: >> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >> magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... > > I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to > spend some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution > that will reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind > about this stuff that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, > but I have heard enough that defies my ability to rationally explain, > to keep my mind open. Tom, I so enjoy trading words with you exactly because of that trait. However, if you received the email that came my way yesterday, telling me that I have just won $10,000,000 (ten million bucks) and please send them $300 for mailing the check to me, would you still keep an open mind? I didn't :-) . > If > given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time > the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an > effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! > Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many > perfer to listen to tubes. True. But, why is it so? Because some people define 'good equipment' as that whose sound pleases them most. Personally, though, I prefer equipment that has no sound of its own at all, but rather, passes the sound without coloring it in any way. Those people prefer tube electronics for precisely the reason I dislike it: it is distorted (albeit in a form that pleases some people). > We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as > Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. 'The experience' is highly personal. Play a recording for ten people and each will have their own -- quite different -- 'experience'. The experience is highly subjective. Not only is it unquantifiable, it would be useless (for the purpose of evaluating equipment) even if it was quantifiable, because, that quantity would only be meaningful to the person that produced it. Bottom line: my view is that 'the experience' is embodied in the recording, not the equipment. The equipment job is to pass it along, modified as little as possible. Now, if you like tubes anyway, I keep and open mind and agree that to each his own. But please do not tell me that 'tubes are better'. This is one Brooklyn bridge I won't buy. Peace, -- Ron > My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main > showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with > a $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, > manufactured by Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had > invented a noise circuit, produced by Advent for $199, that improved > cassette sound, but who in their right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? > So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and > staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the > dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. > I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and > heard the music beyond. > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2048 (20070209) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Feb 9 23:28:01 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:28:01 +0000 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD8@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD8@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <2f1c2a830702091428v5c6e5167s60217b03b0b1596c@mail.gmail.com> Actually, no one can ever experience complete silence because the body makes a lot of noise that becomes audible, or audible as in a trick of the brain, when there are no external noises to distract it. Even the profoundly deaf "hear" noises... Gra' On 08/02/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > > Short of a sensory deprivation chamber, it's pretty near impossible to > experience silence, especially where we listen to music. Now if they > want to explain levels of "quietness" or something like that, that's > fine. I can buy "warm quietness" or "stark quietness", etc. Audio > reviewers shouldn't mess with scientific absolutes. Or winners like "it > literally made my wall disappear!". Really? The misuse of "literally" > in our society drives me insane, just like Crazy Eddie. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Feb 9 23:38:47 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:38:47 +0000 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] ] Silence - - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826C82@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826C82@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <2f1c2a830702091438p7368801p7e65fdd2a94382c8@mail.gmail.com> I don't think I would - I'd listen to what's available that's 2nd hand first because I am not convinced that what is new is always better. Our Naks are a good example! Take the latest Sugden A21 incarnation, for another. It costs something like £1300 and the sound it produces is often likened to a Krell ... "almost as good as ...." But you could buy an original genuinely pure class A Sugden A21, which is almost as good as a new one and, if you're lucky, pay less than £150 for it ... leaving a lot of money spare for other equipment or, better still, more music. Gra' On 09/02/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > Oh absolutely there is great stuff out there, but the "tweaks" some of > these guys peddle are utter crap, and the hyperbole involved is almost > ubiquitous. That is certainly not to say some expensive hardware isn't > worth every penny of it. I know my Dragon (I miss her!) was. I have the > means to buy "mid-fi" and the improvement over my entry level stuff as a kid > is dramatic. If I could afford to go out and purchase Krell, McIntosh or > Linn stuff, I would likely give them a fighting change. :) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is one phase which requires machining, and another that requires some small pcb and electronic assembly, and a third to presell and distribute sets so we know how many to build. At some point we may need someone to back the project financially. NakTalk is a very generous and serious place, yet we are not linked by any common business contracts and the like. We are interested in making the tools needed to align and rescue some great cassette decks. Let's decide honestly who has the time, the means, the intenet sales skills, publicity skills, and put together a plan. Dean, If you are making headway on the belt problem, let me know. I had started the process alone because I haven't heard much from you. With gauges, belts , and tape clones, we can make this work! Wouter will also host the gauge pictures, and Luis is interested in the same. Someone has to make the photographs. I will have to provde pictures of the 3 "S" gauges, since they are not included in this set. At the end of this process we will have an extra set of gauges, which might become a "loaner" set ? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 9 23:59:42 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:59:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <45CCD050.5020407@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <3.0.3.32.20070208171115.0085c750@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070209165942.00853100@earthlink.net> Ron, As long as we don't bore the folks on our list.... I am not in any sort of audio camp, but tubes make a nice example. Lets say we listen to a person singing. We then listen to a recording of a person singing. We make a change in the playback system, and we both agree that the second playback sound more like the person. Now our job as measuring persons is to measure what it is that is different. Where do we begin? How many variables have we introduced even by making only one change in the playback? There are a few simple things we can measure; frequency response, harmonic distortion, intermodulation distortion, signal + noise, and some complex measurements; transient im distortion, phase vs. frequency, impulse phase, absolute phase. Let's say we find some differences. Now we have to correlate one, or perhaps several of these measured differences with what we hear. Can we do anything more than guess? Some obvious differences, such as "no bass" mask all other differences. What if the differences are subtle. What if we have to choose between two different impulse response patterns, neither of which is ideal? Is our problem in the frequency (time ) domain, or a frequency dependent compression problem? What I am trying to illustrate here is that a skilled listener can process so much more by experiencing (listening) than an engineer can possibly begin to quantify through measurements. In THEORY, we could eventually measure what we hear, but a skilled listener, using subjective language and audio memory (where perfect pitch comes from in the brain) can tell you what's happening in minutes. They can't tell you WHY, or exactly HOW MUCH, but they will wave their hands and talk like idiots, to be understood only by others who speak the same language (or at least think they do). So the engineer guesses about which measurment differences make the two playback systems sound different, and the skilled listener can tell in a minute which one is better, but can only guess WHY. All this guessng can be stifling. One valuable function an audio engineer provides is an audio memory of what "good sound " is. If you had to measure every aspect of every professional job you performed, you would get little else done. You can hear when you get hum. You can hear when the battery in your Neuman has died. You know when the kick drum mike is out of phase. This is your brain processing faster and better than measurments ever will. Measurements might make you feel more secure, and you can prove you tested and got results, but beyond that you can tell little abut how the good sound was got. (I need Fred' s writing gift) Let's look at a Nakamichi. The 420 amp has 0.002% THD below 1kHZ, and 0.008% below 10kHz. IM distortion is 0.002% 60Hz/7kHz. We can agree that distortion is a bad thing, and a low distortion amp ought to sound pretty good. My guess is a $10,000 Levinson 23.5 amp has 0.002% distortion...oops, levinson is rates at 0.3%. So how about a Goldmund Mimesis 8 ? that's a good amp...whoops 0.01% THD. FM Acoustics, more Swiss engineering, but only 0.008%THD in the FM600A. The Adcom GFA 555 II is 0.003%. All of these perfectly fine amps have worse distortion specs. Is it safe to say that THD has nothing to do with what makes a fine sounding amp? I think so. The answers are so complex that designers have been turning out amp designs and created a huge industry by making guesses. No one has figured out the spec problem. If they did, the other engineers would be building rockets. we can agree that specs help with minimums. We might test our hearing and find we can experimentally hear 2% THD in music playback. So now, any amp with less than 2% THD is a candidate. All amps have adequate bandpass. We decide peak power might be the ticket. A good amp ought to deliver 150% of its RMS power at peaks.....well now we have a clear difference, but there aren't any specs out there to guide us. We want the bass to drive us against the back wall and collapse our stomachs.....what spec predicts the better amp? Two power supplies, a bit of weight? Listen to a Crown micro sometime if you want to break that preconception. In summary, measurements are true and real, but subjective listening is faster/ cheaper, and I believe, better able to evaluate the whole, than measurements.We know when we hear good sound! tom brucker At 02:49 PM 2/9/07 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Beckner, Derrick wrote: >>> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >>> magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... >> >> I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to spend >> some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution that will >> reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind about this stuff >> that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, but I have heard enough >> that defies my ability to rationally explain, to keep my mind open. > >Tom, I so enjoy trading words with you exactly because of >that trait. However, if you received the email that came >my way yesterday, telling me that I have just won >$10,000,000 (ten million bucks) and please send them $300 >for mailing the check to me, would you still keep an open >mind? I didn't :-) . > >> If >> given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time >> the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an >> effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! >> Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many >> perfer to listen to tubes. > >True. But, why is it so? Because some people define >'good equipment' as that whose sound pleases them most. >Personally, though, I prefer equipment that has no sound >of its own at all, but rather, passes the sound without >coloring it in any way. > >Those people prefer tube electronics for precisely the >reason I dislike it: it is distorted (albeit in a form >that pleases some people). > >> We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as >> Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. > >'The experience' is highly personal. Play a recording for >ten people and each will have their own -- quite different -- >'experience'. The experience is highly subjective. Not only >is it unquantifiable, it would be useless (for the purpose >of evaluating equipment) even if it was quantifiable, >because, that quantity would only be meaningful to the >person that produced it. > >Bottom line: my view is that 'the experience' is embodied >in the recording, not the equipment. The equipment job is >to pass it along, modified as little as possible. > >Now, if you like tubes anyway, I keep and open mind and >agree that to each his own. But please do not tell me that >'tubes are better'. This is one Brooklyn bridge I won't >buy. > >Peace, > >-- Ron > > > >> My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main >> showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with a >> $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, manufactured by >> Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had invented a noise circuit, >> produced by Advent for $199, that improved cassette sound, but who in their >> right mind would spend the money on such a crappy medium? >> So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, and >> staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the >> dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. >> I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and >> heard the music beyond. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sat Feb 10 00:51:49 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:51:49 -0600 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Silence - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <2f1c2a830702091428v5c6e5167s60217b03b0b1596c@mail.gmail.com> References: <47F3A185-35C7-41E0-95BE-16A66B680652@alumni.caltech.edu> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20CD8@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> <2f1c2a830702091428v5c6e5167s60217b03b0b1596c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One can only experience true silence in "naked light". Or at least thats what Simon and Garfunkel say. ;-) On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:28:01 -0600, Graham Nelson wrote: > Actually, no one can ever experience complete silence because the body > makes > a lot of noise that becomes audible, or audible as in a trick of the > brain, > when there are no external noises to distract it. Even the profoundly > deaf > "hear" noises... > > Gra' > > On 08/02/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: >> >> >> Short of a sensory deprivation chamber, it's pretty near impossible to >> experience silence, especially where we listen to music. Now if they >> want to explain levels of "quietness" or something like that, that's >> fine. I can buy "warm quietness" or "stark quietness", etc. Audio >> reviewers shouldn't mess with scientific absolutes. Or winners like "it >> literally made my wall disappear!". Really? The misuse of "literally" >> in our society drives me insane, just like Crazy Eddie. >> >> -- From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 01:27:20 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:27:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9600.7978.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom for bringing up the topic of loaning tools to many newbies in this list who can proably would try to resurrect or even bring a nice Nak deck back to full life. I can contribute a donation to whomesoever is taking up this cloning process. This donation is to take care of costs of prducing any tools or even producing some spare gauges. I can help any body who is living near me - Allentown in Pensylvania right now. I also travel to Minneopolis - for next three months everyweek so can help anybody who needs help. Since I am busy with my work so much- I do not get enough time even to post many repair tips. I am grateful to this forum and many in this forum who helped me along the way Kannan tom brucker wrote: Bala, Luis, and Kannan, Soumi, and Kermit and Dean, I have made an agreement to purchase a set of gauges. I will send these to whomever we collectively decide has the best chance of creating copies. There is one phase which requires machining, and another that requires some small pcb and electronic assembly, and a third to presell and distribute sets so we know how many to build. At some point we may need someone to back the project financially. NakTalk is a very generous and serious place, yet we are not linked by any common business contracts and the like. We are interested in making the tools needed to align and rescue some great cassette decks. Let's decide honestly who has the time, the means, the intenet sales skills, publicity skills, and put together a plan. Dean, If you are making headway on the belt problem, let me know. I had started the process alone because I haven't heard much from you. With gauges, belts , and tape clones, we can make this work! Wouter will also host the gauge pictures, and Luis is interested in the same. Someone has to make the photographs. I will have to provde pictures of the 3 "S" gauges, since they are not included in this set. At the end of this process we will have an extra set of gauges, which might become a "loaner" set ? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob David Ayma wrote: Hi, I am new to the naks list, I am planning to buy a Nak Cassette Deck 2; someone have some recommendation about it? Also, I want the owner's manual, someone can share with me? Thanks. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doayma at surnet.cl Sat Feb 10 03:07:30 2007 From: doayma at surnet.cl (David Ayma) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:07:30 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 References: <12007.30498.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c74cb8$3a60bbe0$1d01a8c0@dave> Thanks for the answer. Well, I see one at Ebay... I'm waiting for the auction conclude. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 I have a very nice one. they work very well. Quiet transport and great sound. I haven't used it in several months but it did get some use. Have you found one you're interested in? I do not have a manual tho. Bob David Ayma wrote: Hi, I am new to the naks list, I am planning to buy a Nak Cassette Deck 2; someone have some recommendation about it? Also, I want the owner's manual, someone can share with me? Thanks. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 10 05:09:48 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:09:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 dead Message-ID: <310439.68565.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well tonight the new good condx ZX7 quit. It looks like the reel motor died. It gets voltage to it when play is pushed but it doesn't run. Since the tape does not move it shuts down/stops. It looks like the same motor as is in the LX5. The question is should I do that? Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 10 09:01:24 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:01:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX alignment and calibration In-Reply-To: <01fa01c74c66$b1b31ff0$6701a8c0@main> References: <01fa01c74c66$b1b31ff0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45CD7BD4.5060207@peromarta.org> Hi Bill, I think you are facing a minor meter accuracy problem. The resoultion of these meters is very poor at those levels (log scale). I would not worry a lot with those readings, and concentrate on maximizing the output of the 15KHz tape. Dragon meters are not as accurate as a t-100, and -25 or -30 dB reading is fine. My dragon reads a little bit better than yours, but for example, my CR-7 reads -30dB with those tapes (even the T-100 correctly reads -20dB). Make sure you run the cal. proccess as per the SM on both decks before comparing side by side. Best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I got Luis's alignment tapes. I have on hand both a Dragon and a > 682ZX. I tweaked the Dragon to the point that it will play back the 15K > tone at -20dB in both directions with the azimuth motor indicator having > very little deflection when the tape is reversed in direction. It may > move 1/16 to 1/8 inch difference with the different direction of > playback. The indicator is within about 1/8 inch of the center mark. I > think it is in pretty good alignment now. When I play the 400 and 1000 > cps tapes on the 682ZX, they are on the 0dB mark with signal maxed out > and with meters now calibrated per the service manual. The 3000 cps > tape plays at -5 dB as it should also. I cannot peak the 15k cps signal > any further and the best I can do is about -25 to - 30 dB. A tape > recorded on the dragon at -20 dB and played back on the 682ZX hits -30dB > at best despite my adjustment of the Dragon record head azimuth to try > to best match the adjustment motor position of the Luis test tape. The > 682ZX however does record and play back tones at -20 dB very well. If I > record a -20dB signal on the 682ZX it does play at -20 on the dragon > after a very minor movement of the azimuth motor pointer. Maybe 1/8 to > 1/16 inch movement. > I can understand my inability to get even closer on the directional > change azimuth difference could be some factor in how the 682 recording > is not as aligned as Luis's tape but am concerned about not being able > to get the deck to play Luis's tape at 0 dB. Anyone think of what I am > doing wrong that I cannot get the -20 dB calibration tape to read above > -30 to -25 on short peaks on the 682ZX or am I just being too picky? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From manunta at hotmail.com Sat Feb 10 10:06:51 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:06:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: Hi Tom, Bala, Luis and the other involved in the gauge project. I have a small company who could probably back up the financial burden for this project. I have a website I'm going to register on Google and other gateways, I have the skill and possibility to produce all the electronics involved in the project, I have a very skilled craftman who could machine out all the bits and pieces of the gauges (he has some very expesive CAM machines, he works for the University of Pisa in support to a laboratory which makes research on biomechanic: he has built an atifical hand) and a good designer who could make all the frawings for him. Let me know if I can help you. Marco Manunta M2Tech www.m2tech.biz Italy _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro ancora. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Feb 10 10:54:07 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:54:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: Tom, Great Ideas are one thing, making them happen as you point out, is a whole other ball game. I would be happy to contribute in any way and to help fund the project in part. Also to acquire a set of guages etc. A loaner set would also be a great idea with a suitable deposit being paid up front probably to ensure return quickly so making the most use of them. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 10 11:19:01 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:19:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45CD9C15.5090102@peromarta.org> Let's split the project. 1.- Have the units measured and drawed by at least 3 different people to make sure they are accurate and errors can be spotted, holding the results until all measures have been done. 2 months. Once here, the units can be returned to the owner. No more lending. 2.- Compare plans and layouts, and come to an agreement. Once here, we may start looking for manufacturers por the different parts, from anywhere in the world, find the best suppliers, and build a proto. 2 months. Little money might be neccesary then to make 2 or 3 units of each gauge. We shall discuss that later. 3.- Send the units to experts for proper testing and validation of the prototype. Como back with mods & suggstions. 1 month. 4.- Find out the exact number of units needed, grab the money, and make the units. I would like to participate, *at least* in step 1. Best rgds, LP. tom brucker wrote: > Bala, Luis, and Kannan, Soumi, and Kermit and Dean, > I have made an agreement to purchase a set of gauges. I will send these > to whomever we collectively decide has the best chance of creating copies. > There is one phase which requires machining, and another that requires some > small pcb and electronic assembly, and a third to presell and distribute > sets so we know how many to build. At some point we may need someone to > back the project financially. NakTalk is a very generous and serious > place, yet we are not linked by any common business contracts and the like. > We are interested in making the tools needed to align and rescue some great > cassette decks. Let's decide honestly who has the time, the means, the > intenet sales skills, publicity skills, and put together a plan. > Dean, If you are making headway on the belt problem, let me know. I had > started the process alone because I haven't heard much from you. With > gauges, belts , and tape clones, we can make this work! > Wouter will also host the gauge pictures, and Luis is interested in the > same. Someone has to make the photographs. I will have to provde pictures > of the 3 "S" gauges, since they are not included in this set. > At the end of this process we will have an extra set of gauges, which > might become a "loaner" set ? > > tom brucker > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Feb 10 11:23:54 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 05:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX alignment and calibration Message-ID: <024c01c74cfd$9237b630$6701a8c0@main> Thank you Luis. I think all is well now with the calibration. I did run all meter and tone calibrations on both decks. I may still have to do a little alignment adjustment to get the 682 to improve on how it reads tapes made on the dragon. I still have to try to repair a Dragon 400 cps front panel adjustment pot though. I have removed a pot (22K) from an old 580M deck that should work. I have to try to glue the stem part from the broken Dragon deck pot onto the face of this pot though to allow it to be adjusted externally. The biggest problem is getting to the faces of the switch circuit board. I am a little afraid of removing the main board to see if the leads from the switch board can be unplugged to allow me to remove it far enough from the deck to access the board screws that attach it to the front panel. This would make it a lot easier to replace the pot. I also need to find a glue that will hold. At least all alignment tasks seem to be in good shape. Again, thank you for your help. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Feb 10 12:35:04 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:05:04 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. References: <200702101101.l1AB0rPQ011349@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c74d07$8a2440d0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Tom, Marco, Ben, Luis I think this is a great step ahead. Yes .. I agree with Luis as we do need to split up into teams for the project. I would like to get involved in measurements and we can separate each gauge into the different parts with agreed upon part nos. Then on I can also talk to local industries here with CAD/CAM facilities for the cost of production of the various part nos of the various gauges. Then we can compare our drawings, measurements, quotes and agree upon the people with the best price/quality of workmanship & materials ratio . After this OR even meanwhile we can scout for orders and accordingly give the green signal for the manufactire of the gauges. :Lets see how this proceeds Best Soumi From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 10 13:15:50 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:15:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <000b01c74d07$8a2440d0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200702101101.l1AB0rPQ011349@zxe.naks.com> <000b01c74d07$8a2440d0$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45CDB776.4050803@peromarta.org> Another interesting question. Which gauges should we start with? What's the demand for the several models? Let's make the 2 or 3 most important ones Let's get this info first. soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi Tom, Marco, Ben, Luis > I think this is a great step ahead. > Yes .. I agree with Luis as we do need to split up into teams for the > project. > I would like to get involved in measurements and we can separate each gauge > into the different parts with agreed upon part nos. Then on I can also talk > to local industries here with CAD/CAM facilities for the cost of production > of the various part nos of the various gauges. > Then we can compare our drawings, measurements, quotes and agree upon the > people with the best price/quality of workmanship & materials ratio . > After this OR even meanwhile we can scout for orders and accordingly give > the green signal for the manufactire of the gauges. > > :Lets see how this proceeds > Best > Soumi > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Feb 10 13:19:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:19:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <005f01c74c91$92e8aec0$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <005f01c74c91$92e8aec0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <45CDB858.1050701@rcn.com> Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Ron, > Do you know of any equipment that reproduces perfectly that which emanated > either from the musician's instrument or the amplification they were using? > If not then how are we to determine what perfect reproduction is? It could > be that one set of equipment makes a better job of reproducing that sound > than another. Shaun, You are right, it's impossible to determine whether what we hear is a perfect reproduction of the original sound that originated at the recording site. For this reason, we have to test each piece of equipment separately, to make sure it meets the accuracy goal. The rationale is that if each and every piece of equipment in the reproduction chain does, then so will the chain as a whole. Doing that guarantees that we do not have one piece of equipment compensating for the shortcomings of another piece -- this will lead to a system that may be good for some program material and/or recordings, but sound horrendous with others. Because it is very difficult to evaluate each piece of equipment with music -- the signal is too complex and the test requires the use of other pieces of equipment, which muddies the test results -- we test with specific test signals (sine waves, square waves and impulses). Non-technical people argue that these signals do not represent music, but actually, they do -- to a precise mathematical identity. (The physics guys here may wish to offer explanations of Laplace and Fourier transforms, linear systems and superposition). This works well for most types of equipment, but not for transducers (microphones, phono cartridges, tape heads and speakers). These must be evaluated in listening tests, using equipment previously qualified as accurate. > Because a perfect COPY of a sound recording may or may not be > better achieved with your favourite equipment doesn't necessarily make it > sound like the original instrument. If that is acheivable with any other > equipment, be it solid state or analogue, than that equipment has made a > better job of reproducing the original sound, regardless of the measurements > of that equipment. You are arguing in circles. How do you know the equipment has 'done it's job' (I mean, that it's accurate), if you haven't measured it? Your ears are certainly not equal to the task. At most, thy can tell you whether you like a sound or not. -- Ron > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 09 February 2007 19:50 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ] Silence - > > > > > Hi Tech wrote: >> Beckner, Derrick wrote: >>> Well, I was being glib, because some of the crap I read in audio >>> magazines makes me laugh out loud, ...... >> I would offer that unless your are rich enough or lucky enough to >> spend some time with a true hi end system, with a degree of resolution >> that will reveal differences before and after, keep and open mind >> about this stuff that seems wild and absurd. Some of it surely is, >> but I have heard enough that defies my ability to rationally explain, >> to keep my mind open. > > Tom, I so enjoy trading words with you exactly because of > that trait. However, if you received the email that came > my way yesterday, telling me that I have just won > $10,000,000 (ten million bucks) and please send them $300 > for mailing the check to me, would you still keep an open > mind? I didn't :-) . > >> If >> given the chance to hear for myself, I may form an opinion. At one time >> the earth was the center of the universe. We sometimes cannot measure an >> effect because we haven't figured out how to measure the effect! >> Tube electronics measure poorly compared to transistor, yet many >> perfer to listen to tubes. > > True. But, why is it so? Because some people define > 'good equipment' as that whose sound pleases them most. Personally, though, > I prefer equipment that has no sound of its own at all, but rather, passes > the sound without coloring it in any way. > > Those people prefer tube electronics for precisely the > reason I dislike it: it is distorted (albeit in a form > that pleases some people). > >> We do not listen to measurements, we listen, as >> Fred Litton eloquently described, within an experience. > > 'The experience' is highly personal. Play a recording for > ten people and each will have their own -- quite different -- 'experience'. > The experience is highly subjective. Not only is it unquantifiable, it would > be useless (for the purpose of evaluating equipment) even if it was > quantifiable, because, that quantity would only be meaningful to the person > that produced it. > > Bottom line: my view is that 'the experience' is embodied > in the recording, not the equipment. The equipment job is > to pass it along, modified as little as possible. > > Now, if you like tubes anyway, I keep and open mind and > agree that to each his own. But please do not tell me that 'tubes are > better'. This is one Brooklyn bridge I won't buy. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > >> My first exposure to Nakamichi was walking into Audio Craft's main >> showroom in Cleveland. There was the black 1000, a cassette deck with >> a $1000 price tag. Cassette players were dictation devices, >> manufactured by Norelco and Ampex. Some guy named Ray Dolby had >> invented a noise circuit, produced by Advent for $199, that improved >> cassette sound, but who in their right mind would spend the money on such > a crappy medium? >> So standing in front of the 1000, laughing at the idiocy of it all, > and >> staggered by the price, the salesman walked over, placed a cassette in the >> dampened door, clicked it shut, and pressed play. The rest...is history. >> I just can't afford to close my mind. Too many times have I listened, and >> heard the music beyond. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 10 14:13:46 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:13:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ] Silence - In-Reply-To: <45CDB858.1050701@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002801c74d15$4d429690$7300a8c0@Shaun> >...You are arguing in circles. How do you know the equipment >...has 'done it's job' (I mean, that it's accurate), if you haven't measured it? Your ears are >...certainly not equal to the task. At most, thy can tell you whether you like a sound or not. >... >...-- Ron Well, I cannot agree with you although I do see what point you are trying to make. Measured accuracy for it's own sake does not necessarily guarantee the result you may be looking for, unless your sole criteria is the lowest measurable distortion. In my book electronoc reproduction is all about trying to recreate the original sound and that has to, in the final anaysis, be done with your ears. Shaun From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Feb 10 15:50:09 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:50:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Metal tape Bias pot Message-ID: <026701c74d22$c395a6e0$6701a8c0@main> I got things all fixed. I salvaged a 22K pot from a 580 M. It was different on top (was one with the round white top which takes a screwdriver adjustment). I just sanded the top flat, removed the stem top from the broken Dragon 22k pot and removed the rim from it. Then with both the pot and stem flat, I was able to glue the stem on the new pot using good old superglue. A trial with silicon sealant was tried first but it would not stick well. Got everything soldered in place and again my 400 cps left channel signal is as adjustable as the right channel. Shame we have to play with parts like that due to unavailability, but in a pinch it can be done in many cases. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 16:27:13 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <885582.29383.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, As mentioned before, i know of two very good precision machine companies whom can measure and machine parts down to a fraction of an mm, at at a reasonable rate too. They are also willing to accept small runs of different products. Hence, I feel that they may be ideal candidates to do the assembly. But I am sure there are better people to front the sales and other areas..? Best Regards Bala Ganesh tom brucker wrote: Bala, Luis, and Kannan, Soumi, and Kermit and Dean, I have made an agreement to purchase a set of gauges. I will send these to whomever we collectively decide has the best chance of creating copies. There is one phase which requires machining, and another that requires some small pcb and electronic assembly, and a third to presell and distribute sets so we know how many to build. At some point we may need someone to back the project financially. NakTalk is a very generous and serious place, yet we are not linked by any common business contracts and the like. We are interested in making the tools needed to align and rescue some great cassette decks. Let's decide honestly who has the time, the means, the intenet sales skills, publicity skills, and put together a plan. Dean, If you are making headway on the belt problem, let me know. I had started the process alone because I haven't heard much from you. With gauges, belts , and tape clones, we can make this work! Wouter will also host the gauge pictures, and Luis is interested in the same. Someone has to make the photographs. I will have to provde pictures of the 3 "S" gauges, since they are not included in this set. At the end of this process we will have an extra set of gauges, which might become a "loaner" set ? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 16:40:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27954.35413.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Kermit has agreed to participate in this? Also I think Kannan's response is not very encouraging... Best Regards Bala Ganesh tom brucker wrote: Bala, Luis, and Kannan, Soumi, and Kermit and Dean, I have made an agreement to purchase a set of gauges. I will send these to whomever we collectively decide has the best chance of creating copies. There is one phase which requires machining, and another that requires some small pcb and electronic assembly, and a third to presell and distribute sets so we know how many to build. At some point we may need someone to back the project financially. NakTalk is a very generous and serious place, yet we are not linked by any common business contracts and the like. We are interested in making the tools needed to align and rescue some great cassette decks. Let's decide honestly who has the time, the means, the intenet sales skills, publicity skills, and put together a plan. Dean, If you are making headway on the belt problem, let me know. I had started the process alone because I haven't heard much from you. With gauges, belts , and tape clones, we can make this work! Wouter will also host the gauge pictures, and Luis is interested in the same. Someone has to make the photographs. I will have to provde pictures of the 3 "S" gauges, since they are not included in this set. At the end of this process we will have an extra set of gauges, which might become a "loaner" set ? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Feb 10 18:08:24 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:08:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680 Bargain + T-100 Problem Message-ID: Well, The door is fixed - ejects ok now. Nothing was missing, just the lever had jumped over the door activating rod. The spring works fine and the damper is ok. Everything is now as intended and functioning well. Just need a pair of rack ears or side covers to replace the ones previously mislaid by a former owner. If anyone could help I'd be very grateful. Just listened to a tape made at half speed. Most acceptable, in fact surprisingly good. Maybe my tape stock has just doubled in size! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Feb 10 23:39:18 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:39:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CD9C15.5090102@peromarta.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> <45CD9C15.5090102@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45CE4996.6050702@xs4all.nl> Great things happening here, just want to add my support! I'm afraid I also belong to the group that doesn't own any gauges, also my technical skills on manufacturing are zero. I can offer my help in the last stage by promoting the finished items on the website like is done now with the idler tires. If pictures need to be stored on a specialized part of the website I can also do this. Or maybe start a new mailinglist where the progress of this can be discussed in a closer group of members. Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Let's split the project. > > 1.- Have the units measured and drawed by at least 3 different people > to make sure they are accurate and errors can be spotted, holding the > results until all measures have been done. 2 months. > > Once here, the units can be returned to the owner. No more lending. > > 2.- Compare plans and layouts, and come to an agreement. Once here, we > may start looking for manufacturers por the different parts, from > anywhere in the world, find the best suppliers, and build a proto. 2 > months. > > Little money might be neccesary then to make 2 or 3 units of each > gauge. We shall discuss that later. > > 3.- Send the units to experts for proper testing and validation of the > prototype. Como back with mods & suggstions. 1 month. > > 4.- Find out the exact number of units needed, grab the money, and > make the units. > > I would like to participate, *at least* in step 1. > > Best rgds, LP. > From bmackintosh at clear.net.nz Sun Feb 11 01:20:25 2007 From: bmackintosh at clear.net.nz (Bill Mackintosh) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:20:25 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Valve Preamplifier oportunity. In-Reply-To: <45CC58DD.5060802@peromarta.org> References: <45CC58DD.5060802@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Hi Luis, I saw your above post on Naktalk noting that you repair McIntosh HiFi equipment. While I am not in the market for the McIntosh Preamplifier you mentioned, I wonder if you can help me with some advice? I am currently repairing a McIntosh MA 6100 Preamp Amplifier for sale for a friend. It is in virtually mint condition and has been in storage for a number of years. I have had to replace the power supply capacitors which were starting to leak. I replaced them with BHC Aerovox caps and I have also replaced all other electrolytic caps with Rubycon or Nichicon caps. I haven't been able to find a replacement for the Mallory multi-section capacitor. I have had to replace two transistors in one of the preamps. I used a BC547C to replace a BC239C and a BC557C to replace a BC416C. Do you think I should replace all like transistors in both preamps? The only cosmetic fault is some pitting in the chrome plating on the chassis. While I have been able to polish out the roughness of the pitting the actual pits still remains. The chrome still looks good, but on close inspection the pitting can still be seen. However, as you know, most of the chrome is concealed by the various covers. The rest of the unit is in perfect condition. I would appreciate your advice on where you think I should list this unit for sale, Ebay, Audiogon, etc, and what price I might expect to get for it. Incidentally, it is a 120V unit so that will limit the market to some extent. Thanks in anticipation and good luck with the C2200 Preamp. Kind regards, Bill Mackintosh From geospa at hotmail.com Sun Feb 11 02:29:30 2007 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:29:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 In-Reply-To: <000601c74cb3$8aa14430$1d01a8c0@dave> Message-ID: hey david, i've had the cassette deck 2 since i bought it new in the early 90's and it still works great and sounds great. i have the manual and original brochure from my purchase, if you buy the deck i'll scan them and send you a pdf. just email me when you receive the deck. good luck. rich >From: "David Ayma" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:34:00 -0300 > >Hi, >I am new to the naks list, I am planning to buy a Nak Cassette Deck 2; >someone have some recommendation about it? Also, I want the owner's manual, >someone can share with me? >Thanks. > >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG From bmackintosh at clear.net.nz Sun Feb 11 03:12:33 2007 From: bmackintosh at clear.net.nz (Bill Mackintosh) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:12:33 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh Valve Preamplifier oportunity. In-Reply-To: References: <45CC58DD.5060802@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <0152316F-7D20-4D96-A9BA-9254A197D351@clear.net.nz> My apologies for posting this to the list....DUH! Bill On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Bill Mackintosh wrote > > Hi Luis, > > I saw your above post on Naktalk noting that you repair McIntosh > HiFi equipment. While I am not in the market for the McIntosh > Preamplifier you mentioned, I wonder if you can help me with some > advice....... From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 11 09:43:35 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:43:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CE4996.6050702@xs4all.nl> References: <3.0.3.32.20070209174811.00851550@earthlink.net> <45CD9C15.5090102@peromarta.org> <45CE4996.6050702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <45CED737.4050906@peromarta.org> Wouter, I'd start the nakgauges list right away, and subscribe us there, so we don't flood naktalk with this. rgds, LP. Wouter Heijke wrote: > Great things happening here, just want to add my support! > I'm afraid I also belong to the group that doesn't own any gauges, also > my technical skills on manufacturing are zero. I can offer my help in > the last stage by promoting the finished items on the website like is > done now with the idler tires. If pictures need to be stored on a > specialized part of the website I can also do this. Or maybe start a new > mailinglist where the progress of this can be discussed in a closer > group of members. > > Wouter > From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Feb 11 09:49:21 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 03:49:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions is compiled. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 11 09:54:36 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:54:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CED9CC.50102@peromarta.org> How about approaching Nakamichi for the original plans and manufacturing info? I don't think that would be much of a problem for them. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an > approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to an > issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of the > equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions is > compiled. > Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 11 10:00:09 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:00:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CED9CC.50102@peromarta.org> References: <45CED9CC.50102@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45CEDB19.9070800@peromarta.org> Anybody in the list lives in Japan and near their HQ ? Luis Peromarta wrote: > How about approaching Nakamichi for the original plans and manufacturing > info? I don't think that would be much of a problem for them. > > Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an >> approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to >> an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of >> the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions >> is compiled. >> Ben >> From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Feb 11 10:12:06 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:12:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: Maybe we can find out who originally manufactured these for Nakamichi and get them to dust off their original jigs. Would need a sense of the initial demand and a ball park retail price to get people interested. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 11 13:00:09 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:00:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CED9CC.50102@peromarta.org> References: <45CED9CC.50102@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45CF0549.5060507@xs4all.nl> Hi Luis, Don't expect anything from them. They are now in Singapore and the last time I was in contact with some people there they had little information. They started scanning manuals though.. I could contact them again and ask. Wouter BTW, i'll setup that list, nakgauges (thanks for the name!) Luis Peromarta wrote: > How about approaching Nakamichi for the original plans and > manufacturing info? I don't think that would be much of a problem for > them. > > Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps >> an approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior >> to an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list >> of the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + >> descriptions is compiled. >> Ben >> >> From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Feb 11 14:01:14 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:01:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to fix this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Feb 11 14:17:12 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:17:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: Does it FF and RW ok Bill? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 11 15:07:31 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:07:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem In-Reply-To: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070211140731.45705.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Is that a "classic" transport? Bob Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to fix this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Feb 11 17:03:17 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:33:17 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. References: <200702111101.l1BB0amC026535@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002901c74df6$26d5ae20$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all Whatever is decided and done in the end .. please remember to send me a free sample for throwing in this good idea ! just kidding :)! Yes, i think approaching Nakamichi or moderators of one of the Japanese Nak fan sites would provide some headway. In fact perhaps even Jeff Galin could do some persuading and maybe after the jigs, Nakamichi would consider doing a small run of maintenance spares. With Vinyl making a comeback im sure there are enough Nak users warranting, if nothing else, a maintenance parts supply .. which is also good business for Nakamichi. Best Soumi From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 19:14:19 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:14:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <002901c74df6$26d5ae20$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <765638.71620.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A free sample? Maybe not, but perhaps a Ltd Edition, with hardened contact surfaces, gold-plating with owner'sname engraved, individual measurements, all housed in a lovely wooden box. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi all Whatever is decided and done in the end .. please remember to send me a free sample for throwing in this good idea ! just kidding :)! Yes, i think approaching Nakamichi or moderators of one of the Japanese Nak fan sites would provide some headway. In fact perhaps even Jeff Galin could do some persuading and maybe after the jigs, Nakamichi would consider doing a small run of maintenance spares. With Vinyl making a comeback im sure there are enough Nak users warranting, if nothing else, a maintenance parts supply .. which is also good business for Nakamichi. Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 19:22:30 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CF0549.5060507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3592.7566.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, I explained to Luis earlier that I had tried that route, in person. They do not seem to have any documentation, nor the toolings for these jigs. Even the local agent does not have the jigs nor test tapes to properly calibrate Nak decks anymore. I think that getting the jigs elsewhere and having them reverse engineered may be the best way. The best way would be to ship a set of most wanted gauges to three people who want to reverse engineer them, as per Luis's suggestion. We could send a set of jigs to each person and after they're done, they can courier it to the next person. in turn. And those who want to get the jigs will have to put forward some sort of insurance money, in case of any mishap. How about it guys? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Luis, Don't expect anything from them. They are now in Singapore and the last time I was in contact with some people there they had little information. They started scanning manuals though.. I could contact them again and ask. Wouter BTW, i'll setup that list, nakgauges (thanks for the name!) Luis Peromarta wrote: > How about approaching Nakamichi for the original plans and > manufacturing info? I don't think that would be much of a problem for > them. > > Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps >> an approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior >> to an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list >> of the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + >> descriptions is compiled. >> Ben >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 19:25:03 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:25:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <765638.71620.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002901c74df6$26d5ae20$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <765638.71620.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702111025p5311970fj42c913198dc486f4@mail.gmail.com> Hahahaha - and of course you'd have to put a ZX or XL or something after the model number. -Tim On 2/11/07, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > A free sample? Maybe not, but perhaps a Ltd Edition, with hardened contact > surfaces, gold-plating with owner'sname engraved, individual measurements, > all housed in a lovely wooden box. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > *soumitra at soumitrab.com* wrote: > > Hi all > Whatever is decided and done in the end .. please remember to send me a > free > sample for throwing in this good idea ! just kidding :)! > > Yes, i think approaching Nakamichi or moderators of one of the Japanese > Nak > fan sites would provide some headway. In fact perhaps even Jeff Galin > could > do some persuading and maybe after the jigs, Nakamichi would consider > doing > a small run of maintenance spares. > With Vinyl making a comeback im sure there are enough Nak users > warranting, > if nothing else, a maintenance parts supply .. which is also good business > for Nakamichi. > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating"at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 19:25:22 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:25:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem In-Reply-To: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <978698.60637.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, I certainly am happy that your spirit isn't dampened by someone who recenly claimed about 'newbies trying to repair Naks'. The 600 II is a single motor unit driving the whole transport. Its not a classic transport, its a classical transport! Probably, the main drive belt maybe gone. I can dismantle my deck and illustrate the travel and how to get the belt on. I think Dean may have the right belt - Dean? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to fix this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 11 19:56:08 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:56:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem In-Reply-To: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> References: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45CF66C8.7080606@peromarta.org> This may help: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/600II.html rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of > repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a > problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at > all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding > tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the > belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is > difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to > mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it > likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to > not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering > what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much > for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take > to fix this deck. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Feb 11 20:07:28 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:07:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges: Step 1 Message-ID: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> Welcome to step 1. 1.1 We need to choose at least 3 people for the measuring and drawing. Count me in. 1.2 We need to choose the 3 or 4 MOST wanted gauges - and who can supply them. I can't help here, 'cause I've never seen or had one. DEADLINE for items 1.1 and 1.2: 48H FROM NOW, 20H CET, thats Feb. 13th 20h CET. 1.3 Schedule the route for the package(s) of gauges. Probably UPS or similar courier should be used. Inputs welcome. LP. From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Feb 11 20:31:20 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 8:31:20 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: <11675130.1171222280033.JavaMail.root@sf1435> I suggest you download my 600 Mk 1 service manual off Tomas's site. I believe the drive info will be much the same. Donald. ---- Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to fix this deck. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Feb 11 20:35:49 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:35:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges: Step 1 In-Reply-To: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> References: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702111135p48c3d432qd5a7a47d7ec1994f@mail.gmail.com> My professional background and skillset preclude me from doing much more than cheering you guys on, unfortunately. I have, however, gone through Nak service manuals quite a bit and have a list of mechanical adjustment tools mentioned therein, on the off chance I happened across one at a yard sale or something. Online table here: http://www.reject.org/~devon/NakMechanicalAdjustment.htm Note that it's not complete and possibly even highly inaccurate :-) -Tim On 2/11/07, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Welcome to step 1. > > 1.1 We need to choose at least 3 people for the measuring and drawing. > Count me in. > > 1.2 We need to choose the 3 or 4 MOST wanted gauges - and who can supply > them. I can't help here, 'cause I've never seen or had one. > > DEADLINE for items 1.1 and 1.2: > > 48H FROM NOW, 20H CET, thats Feb. 13th 20h CET. > > 1.3 Schedule the route for the package(s) of gauges. Probably UPS or > similar courier should be used. > > > > Inputs welcome. LP. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Sun Feb 11 20:41:49 2007 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:41:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3592.7566.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3592.7566.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45CF717D.5000908@bartuzi.org> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > I explained to Luis earlier that I had tried that route, in > person. They do not seem to have any documentation, nor the toolings > for these jigs. Even the local agent does not have the jigs nor test > tapes to properly calibrate Nak decks anymore. I think that getting > the jigs elsewhere and having them reverse engineered may be the best > way. What happened to the intellectual property, technical achievements and knowledge of the old Nakamichi company then - is it lost? I can not imagine boxes of old technical drawings (there were some blueprints I suppose?) being just thrown away... Do you really think everything is lost? Pawel -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! www.nazwa.pl From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Feb 11 20:45:22 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:45:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: <004401c74e15$2b56ff70$6701a8c0@main> Ben, only the capstan drive moves. The hubs do not turn in play, forward or reverse. If you "play a tape" it simply unwinds it. No hub movement in any mode. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Feb 11 21:16:38 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:16:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: Bill, Very shure its the main drive belt (Capstan belt). It is the first thing to check and very easy to do. Can someone offer a belt supplier? Same procedure as 600 I think. Good Luck, Ben. (If you're anywhere near south west UK, I could help?) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sun Feb 11 21:40:37 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:40:37 +1300 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: <005e01c74e1c$e376e820$410998de@tec> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Sangster" To: "Bill Shenefelt" Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem > Hi Bill > > A number of years ago I did pull the motor section of the 600 Mk 1 apart > to replace a motor and belts etc. It is not actually difficult. I find as > a "lay puller of things apart" that a strategy is to place all of the bits > in the order you take them off along the back of your work table, bench or > whatever. Then when putting it back together again, you just go in reverse > order. The exploded diagrams in the Mk 1 manual are as good as I have ever > seen in a tech manual. I have a Canon F1 manual (camera) - what a > nightmare, the drawings are so bad. > > If you can give me some specific questions I will try to answer them for > you when I can. > > Regards > > Donald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Shenefelt" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem > > >> Thanks Donald, I already did. I'm just confused about the access and >> location of the belt or mechanism that drives the hubs. For information, >> I did buy a "copy" of the HiCom II Service manual and could upload it >> Thomas wants it. Are these all "beyond copywriter caring?" I* don't see >> why Nak or anyone else would care but don't want to cause anyone grief. >> Bill Shenefelt >> http://sheneskillies.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Cc: "Bill Shenefelt" >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem >> >> >>>I suggest you download my 600 Mk 1 service manual off Tomas's site. I >>>believe the drive info will be much the same. >>> >>> Donald. >>> >>> ---- Bill Shenefelt wrote: >>>> I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of >>>> repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a >>>> problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at >>>> all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. >>>> I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or >>>> drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to >>>> fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical >>>> parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a >>>> belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn >>>> at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I >>>> see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for >>>> repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to >>>> fix this deck. >>>> Bill Shenefelt >>>> http://sheneskillies.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: >> 8/02/2007 3:04 p.m. >> >> > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 11 22:30:46 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:30:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CF717D.5000908@bartuzi.org> References: <3592.7566.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45CF717D.5000908@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <45CF8B06.6030306@xs4all.nl> I was told that Nakamichi had a confusing organization for part numbers. What I know is that they used different internal numbers for the same part. I was in contact with a manager technical support and they were going through lists to find out what the 'vintage parts' they found where for. I've contacted him again asking how his investigation was going... But I doubt they have anything useful, strangely yes. Wouter Pawel Bartuzi wrote: > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Wouter, >> >> I explained to Luis earlier that I had tried that route, in >> person. They do not seem to have any documentation, nor the toolings >> for these jigs. Even the local agent does not have the jigs nor test >> tapes to properly calibrate Nak decks anymore. I think that getting >> the jigs elsewhere and having them reverse engineered may be the best >> way. > What happened to the intellectual property, technical achievements and > knowledge of the old Nakamichi company then - is it lost? I can not > imagine boxes of old technical drawings (there were some blueprints I > suppose?) being just thrown away... > > Do you really think everything is lost? > > Pawel From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sun Feb 11 23:01:37 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:01:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem Message-ID: <200702112202.l1BM1uoY006027@zxe.naks.com> Hello Bill, The 600 is well worth repairing because it can sound very nice. Also, It is mechanically not too complex and working on it is not very difficult. The one motor transport is older than the "classic" diffused resonance double capstan transport. The classic transport evolved later on and is famed by most of us Nakkers as the best. If the capstan is not turning at all when pushing the play button then the belt may be the problem as Bala Ganesh suggests. If the belt is still in place the motor or motor-power-circuit might be defect. If the capstan is turning but the reels are not the idler wheel between the reels might be slipping. A clean up will help (at least temporarily) or replacement will renew it's function. Good luck, Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dewbrock at sympatico.ca Sun Feb 11 23:30:01 2007 From: dewbrock at sympatico.ca (Douglas Shearer) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:30:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX Message-ID: Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a Nakamichi 680ZX for $US 140.00. Have to trust the seller's description that it is in very good condition. I'm new to Nakamichi tape decks and was wondering 1) if this a fair price? And 2) In general how are the second-hand 680ZX's? Thanks, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Mon Feb 12 03:35:05 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:35:05 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares. Message-ID: <20070212023505.E85F71CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Soumi's comments reminded me of an email I recently sent to TDK Corp on a related issue. This is what I said [& it's none too polite!] "WE WANT METAL TAPES, WE WANT TDK MA-XGs!!! "Despite popular belief, analogue cassette recording is still the medium of choice for a significant portion of audiophiles & music lovers. Those of us still using this underrated medium take recording very seriously, using high-end vintage cassette decks that can fully exploit the best software. TDK MA-XG is/was the industry standard in this application, but was presumably dropped as demand for the medium fell with the introduction of digital recording. Today, the asking price for new, sealed MA-XGs (& similar quality metal formulations) is ~ US$35-40.00 - per tape! Meaning, demand has outstripped supply & they have become collectable. Check eBay & see for yourselves. All the more tragic then to see how the mighty have fallen. From that most respected position of 'industry standard' & 'best-of-the-best', today TDK attempts to penetrate the fickle, forgettable 'digital lifestyles' market with a sad range of generic 'me to' products! TDK should dust off the machinery & manufacture these superb cassettes again to fill the niche. Surely we all understand the cyclic nature of the marketplace? Just observe the robust niche reclaimed by the vinyl LP & the turntable. Albeit on a smaller scale, the humble audio cassette will undoubtedly come back to have its day in the sun as 'retro chic'. And regardless of this phenomenon, the existing demand for high quality blank media is dependable & loyal at current user levels. Again, check the internet for the level of interest surrounding classic cassette decks like Nakamichi ... & what do we all want to feed our decks? TDK MA-XGs!!! WAKE UP TDK, THE MARKET IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING!!!" Regards, Grant Nicholson = Online Safety Training Solutions 400+ online EHS courses in both English and Spanish. Free previews. Turn to PureSafety for online safety training delivery and tracking solutions that drive business performance. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2f155f7a51fbef6bc1c420419af752f From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 12 03:57:31 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:57:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares. In-Reply-To: <20070212023505.E85F71CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070212023505.E85F71CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <45CFD79B.6050503@yahoo.ca> How many users are suscribed to cassette deck, etc. groups? Send them numbers! bastard a écrit : > Soumi's comments reminded me of an email I recently sent to TDK Corp on a related issue. > > This is what I said [& it's none too polite!] > > "WE WANT METAL TAPES, WE WANT TDK MA-XGs!!! > > "Despite popular belief, analogue cassette recording is still the medium of choice for a > significant portion of audiophiles & music lovers. Those of us still using this underrated medium > take recording very seriously, using high-end vintage cassette decks that can fully exploit the > best software. TDK MA-XG is/was the industry standard in this application, but was presumably > dropped as demand for the medium fell with the introduction of digital recording. > > Today, the asking price for new, sealed MA-XGs (& similar quality metal formulations) is ~ > US$35-40.00 - per tape! Meaning, demand has outstripped supply & they have become collectable. > Check eBay & see for yourselves. > > All the more tragic then to see how the mighty have fallen. From that most respected position of > 'industry standard' & 'best-of-the-best', today TDK attempts to penetrate the fickle, forgettable > 'digital lifestyles' market with a sad range of generic 'me to' products! > > TDK should dust off the machinery & manufacture these superb cassettes again to fill the niche. > Surely we all understand the cyclic nature of the marketplace? Just observe the robust niche reclaimed > by the vinyl LP & the turntable. Albeit on a smaller scale, the humble audio cassette will undoubtedly > come back to have its day in the sun as 'retro chic'. And regardless of this phenomenon, the > existing demand for high quality blank media is dependable & loyal at current user levels. Again, > check the internet for the level of interest surrounding classic cassette decks like Nakamichi ... > & what do we all want to feed our decks? TDK MA-XGs!!! > > WAKE UP TDK, THE MARKET IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING!!!" > > Regards, > Grant Nicholson > > > > > = > Online Safety Training Solutions > 400+ online EHS courses in both English and Spanish. Free previews. Turn to PureSafety for online safety training delivery and tracking solutions that drive business performance. > http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2f155f7a51fbef6bc1c420419af752f > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 05:31:09 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares. In-Reply-To: <20070212023505.E85F71CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <788876.18518.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I could not have said it better myself.......listening to Nusrat on my zx 7 on a cassette....I'd have it no other way! TDK! DONT TAPE IT TDK MA-XG IT. PLEEEEEEEASEEE! bastard wrote: Soumi's comments reminded me of an email I recently sent to TDK Corp on a related issue. This is what I said [& it's none too polite!] "WE WANT METAL TAPES, WE WANT TDK MA-XGs!!! "Despite popular belief, analogue cassette recording is still the medium of choice for a significant portion of audiophiles & music lovers. Those of us still using this underrated medium take recording very seriously, using high-end vintage cassette decks that can fully exploit the best software. TDK MA-XG is/was the industry standard in this application, but was presumably dropped as demand for the medium fell with the introduction of digital recording. Today, the asking price for new, sealed MA-XGs (& similar quality metal formulations) is ~ US$35-40.00 - per tape! Meaning, demand has outstripped supply & they have become collectable. Check eBay & see for yourselves. All the more tragic then to see how the mighty have fallen. From that most respected position of 'industry standard' & 'best-of-the-best', today TDK attempts to penetrate the fickle, forgettable 'digital lifestyles' market with a sad range of generic 'me to' products! TDK should dust off the machinery & manufacture these superb cassettes again to fill the niche. Surely we all understand the cyclic nature of the marketplace? Just observe the robust niche reclaimed by the vinyl LP & the turntable. Albeit on a smaller scale, the humble audio cassette will undoubtedly come back to have its day in the sun as 'retro chic'. And regardless of this phenomenon, the existing demand for high quality blank media is dependable & loyal at current user levels. Again, check the internet for the level of interest surrounding classic cassette decks like Nakamichi ... & what do we all want to feed our decks? TDK MA-XGs!!! WAKE UP TDK, THE MARKET IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING!!!" Regards, Grant Nicholson = Online Safety Training Solutions 400+ online EHS courses in both English and Spanish. Free previews. Turn to PureSafety for online safety training delivery and tracking solutions that drive business performance. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2f155f7a51fbef6bc1c420419af752f ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Feb 12 06:30:44 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:30:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares. Message-ID: Hello Metal tape lovers! Seriously...ALL you are "JOKING"...NO...NO...tape/cassettes manufacture will PRODUCE..."REGULARLY" Metal cassettes, as the demand DON'T justifies the "Came Back" manufacturing such type cassettes! BTW...I NEVER...seriously NEVER use Metal cassette in any of my Nak & others brands of cassette decks, for me Type ll chrome, lives up to/satisfies 100% my hears/brain demand!!!. Peace, Alex! Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:31:09 -0800From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares.To: naktalk at naks.comI could not have said it better myself.......listening to Nusrat on my zx 7 on a cassette....I'd have it no other way! TDK! DONT TAPE IT TDK MA-XG IT. PLEEEEEEEASEEE!bastard wrote: Soumi's comments reminded me of an email I recently sent to TDK Corp on a related issue.This is what I said [& it's none too polite!]"WE WANT METAL TAPES, WE WANT TDK MA-XGs!!!"Despite popular belief, analogue cassette recording is still the medium of choice for a significant portion of audiophiles & music lovers. Those of us still using this underrated medium take recording very seriously, using high-end vintage cassette decks that can fully exploit the best software. TDK MA-XG is/was the industry standard in this application, but was presumably dropped as demand for the medium fell with the introduction of digital recording.Today, the asking price for new, sealed MA-XGs (& similar quality metal formulations) is ~ US$35-40.00 - per tape! Meaning, demand has outstripped supply & they have become collectable.Check eBay & see for yourselves.All the more tragic then to see how the mighty have fallen. From that most respected position of 'industry standard' & 'best-of-the-best', today TDK attempts to penetrate the fickle, forgettable 'digital lifestyles' market with a sad range of generic 'me to' products!TDK should dust off the machinery & manufacture these superb cassettes again to fill the niche. Surely we all understand the cyclic nature of the marketplace? Just observe the robust niche reclaimed by the vinyl LP & the turntable. Albeit on a smaller scale, the humble audio cassette will undoubtedly come back to have its day in the sun as 'retro chic'. And regardless of this phenomenon, the existing demand for high quality blank media is dependable & loyal at current user levels. Again, check the internet for the level of interest surrounding classic cassette decks like Nakamichi ... & what do we all want to feed our decks? TDK MA-XGs!!!WAKE UP TDK, THE MARKET IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING!!!"Regards,Grant Nicholson=Online Safety Training Solutions400+ online EHS courses in both English and Spanish. Free previews. Turn to PureSafety for online safety training delivery and tracking solutions that drive business performance.http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2f155f7a51fbef6bc1c420419af752f========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Mon Feb 12 10:01:47 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:01:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX Message-ID: <8C91C9B8FC01D04-10A4-1062F@mblk-r20.sysops.aol.com> Doug, The 680ZX is a great deck, Up with the best for sure. I have most of the best Nak decks and this one is my favourite. It sounds very nice, not quite as sharp as ZX-9 or as detailed as the Dragon, warmer than CR-7 IMHO. If it is working well and in good cosmetic condition, it's a good price indeed. The only long term issue with the deck is that the main drive belt is hard to come by, but I'm sure that someone with start producing a suitable copy soon. If you get the chance, audition it first and try all functions. Just my views. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Mon Feb 12 10:48:18 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:48:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41592DAC-5A96-4199-918F-B3A8CA20430A@spamcop.net> i'd agree with ben's reply but you are very likely to come across these problems: orange capacitors failing capstan roller pivot, one or both being 'gummed' up with old grease and not moving up to engage with the capstans in play and record. I own a 680, 682ZX, 582 and 480... all of these have the 'classic' transports as they're often called. The 680 and 582 both have sticky pivots. The 582 i've just about managed to free off with IPA and patience. With the 680 we had to take to pivot off as it was so stuck. It almost seemed as if it had corroded or the metals had reacted together. It seems to work fine now but when you mess with these they need to be setup using the Nakamichi gauges that few have. With all four of the above decks there are several record / calibration problems which I think all stem from the 'orange cap' disease. The 680 and 480 play but do not record. The 582 records but has problems getting the record levels setup correctly. The 682 ZX has more record / bias oscillator problems that I haven't got around to yet.. I just need to replace all these orange caps in the machines then setup them up correctly and they should be fine, but that takes time, isn't expensive if you DIY but would cost at least as much as you're thinking of paying if not more to have a good engineer do. hope this helps adrian On 11 Feb 2007, at 22:30, Douglas Shearer wrote: > Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a Nakamichi 680ZX for $US 140.00. > Have to trust the seller’s description that it is in very good > condition. I’m new to Nakamichi tape decks and was wondering 1) if > this a fair price? And 2) In general how are the second-hand > 680ZX’s? Thanks, Doug > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 11 20:44:59 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:44:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges: Step 1 In-Reply-To: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> References: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <45CF723B.30806@xs4all.nl> Maybe step 0: Subscribe to dedicated list: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakgauges It's not advertised on the website since the group will me limited to those interested from Naktalk and those directly involved. Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Welcome to step 1. > > 1.1 We need to choose at least 3 people for the measuring and drawing. > Count me in. > > 1.2 We need to choose the 3 or 4 MOST wanted gauges - and who can > supply them. I can't help here, 'cause I've never seen or had one. > > DEADLINE for items 1.1 and 1.2: > > 48H FROM NOW, 20H CET, thats Feb. 13th 20h CET. > > 1.3 Schedule the route for the package(s) of gauges. Probably UPS or > similar courier should be used. > > > > Inputs welcome. LP. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 12:25:24 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:25:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <393950.10807.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The other guys have given fair comments. If it works, its a wonderful decks that puts even high-end digital audio players to shame. It isn't a difficult deck and it quite robust actually. That said, one of the other members has summarised the problems you may face. These are indeed problems, but with some time and patience, you would be able to over come them. Most importantly, the deck should work. Do contact me if you need any guidance. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Douglas Shearer wrote: Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a Nakamichi 680ZX for $US 140.00. Have to trust the seller’s description that it is in very good condition. I’m new to Nakamichi tape decks and was wondering 1) if this a fair price? And 2) In general how are the second-hand 680ZX’s? Thanks, Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 12:28:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:28:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Gauges: Step 1 In-Reply-To: <45CF6970.6010207@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <524627.62052.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, count me in too. Determine what format you want the drawings to be. The easiest would be .dwg (AutoCAD). Best Regards Bala Ganesh Luis Peromarta wrote: Welcome to step 1. 1.1 We need to choose at least 3 people for the measuring and drawing. Count me in. 1.2 We need to choose the 3 or 4 MOST wanted gauges - and who can supply them. I can't help here, 'cause I've never seen or had one. DEADLINE for items 1.1 and 1.2: 48H FROM NOW, 20H CET, thats Feb. 13th 20h CET. 1.3 Schedule the route for the package(s) of gauges. Probably UPS or similar courier should be used. Inputs welcome. LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 12:30:56 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:30:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re: We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110702111025p5311970fj42c913198dc486f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75776.49185.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, we are Naktalk...so lets put a NT-LTD at the back :) Best Regards Bala Ganesh Tim Skorick wrote: Hahahaha - and of course you'd have to put a ZX or XL or something after the model number. -Tim On 2/11/07, Bala Ganesh Chandra < bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote:A free sample? Maybe not, but perhaps a Ltd Edition, with hardened contact surfaces, gold-plating with owner'sname engraved, individual measurements, all housed in a lovely wooden box. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi all Whatever is decided and done in the end .. please remember to send me a free sample for throwing in this good idea ! just kidding :)! Yes, i think approaching Nakamichi or moderators of one of the Japanese Nak fan sites would provide some headway. In fact perhaps even Jeff Galin could do some persuading and maybe after the jigs, Nakamichi would consider doing a small run of maintenance spares. With Vinyl making a comeback im sure there are enough Nak users warranting, if nothing else, a maintenance parts supply .. which is also good business for Nakamichi. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 12:37:14 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <45CF717D.5000908@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <302378.86064.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, I hate to even think about it. When the Thorens factory did some renovations in 2000, the contractors disposed of original drawings and new old stock spares for their legendary TD124, TD125 series turntables! I just hope that something similiar has not happened to Nakamichi. The investment group that has accquired Nakamichi, has also bought Sansui and Akai. The building is a fifth of the size of the original Nakamichi building in Japan. Today, they showcase their award winning Nakamichi TV, their lifestyle music systems, and a very sterile and corporate hello. Best Regards Bala Ganesh Pawel Bartuzi wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > I explained to Luis earlier that I had tried that route, in > person. They do not seem to have any documentation, nor the toolings > for these jigs. Even the local agent does not have the jigs nor test > tapes to properly calibrate Nak decks anymore. I think that getting > the jigs elsewhere and having them reverse engineered may be the best > way. What happened to the intellectual property, technical achievements and knowledge of the old Nakamichi company then - is it lost? I can not imagine boxes of old technical drawings (there were some blueprints I suppose?) being just thrown away... Do you really think everything is lost? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 12:51:39 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:51:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 dead In-Reply-To: <310439.68565.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <286377.46546.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Did you try freeing the motor to see if it turns when you hit play? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: Well tonight the new good condx ZX7 quit. It looks like the reel motor died. It gets voltage to it when play is pushed but it doesn't run. Since the tape does not move it shuts down/stops. It looks like the same motor as is in the LX5. The question is should I do that? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 12 12:56:06 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:56:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares. Message-ID: Hi Alex and Grant, Your point is well made - as is Grant Nicholson's. However, it might be viable for a once-off or occasional run - after all, you must bear in mind - these companies did not make each of their lines every day, even in their heyday. They did a run of calculated size, then did something else. After doing a series of pancakes, it may sit for a while before they packed them (into casssettes). For instance if they had done SA-X today, it would often be many months before they did SA-X again The same applied to the three metals. There was a financial balance between the down-time cost of prepping for a run versus the costs of unpurchased stockpiles in the warehouse. I have no doubt that a Japanese cost-accountant is as unpleasant and humourless as the equivalent beanie anywhere else in the world. The specific request for MA-XG might be a tall order because they need specific dyes for the shells. Hopefully they still have them. There'd be a lot on the list of things to do for them that they haven't done in a while. Much of the tape specific expertise may have left the firm. Most of the actual assembly of tapes has long been carried out in Thailand with the pancakes being made in Japan. However, Alex, there sure is something to worry about: although you personally don't use metals - those ZIIs of which you have two boxes might last you some time, but for many of use - that is an insufficient stockpile. We record often and like quality virgin tape to do it on. The reason I mention ZII - is that, but for a few pieces here and there, it's gone - not made anymore. And the other hitherto available high-end type 2s are vanishing too. The other thing is that the "demand" for metal was never very high anyway. Ferric outsold everything thousands of times over. I would estimate that TDK sold more "D" in a day than the rest of the range in a month. I would also say that if there's a demand, however small, there's going to be some astute businessman who will find a way to satisfy it without killing the goose in the process. Grant mentions turntables - 10 times as many turntables and vinyl is being sold now than in 1995. Apart from technology not standing still, analogue technology included, turntable manufacturers redefined cool - compare the dreary looks of a typical late eighties line-up of record decks from Sota, Project, Systemdek, Thorens, Pink Triangle with the visual delights today from firms like Basis, Origin Live, SME, and some of the above that decided to romance the market. More than that - they sound better than ever - but that's another story. Only a handful, like Michel, knew all along that, like people, being beautiful created the illusion of your skills being better than they actually are. Not to denegrate them - beacuse the Gyrodec is highly capable and the Orbe is one of the greats. Perhaps the tape needs to be redefined too - I see there's a new MP3 player shaped just like a cassette!! Retro IS cool - it's people such as us that have a duty to future generations to keep the dream alive. A colleague of mine, of a mere 20 summers, was stupified to discover that MP3 wasn't "all the music" and infact, was only about 1/12th of it. She said she felt "ripped" off. She's part of a generation that has no idea that 90% of MP3 is itself commercial and artistic "ripoff". Forgive my rambling. Grant!! Forward with the struggle. Marc Somehow, Grant's entreaty to TDK seems sensible to us - one can only hope it's sensible to them. >>> alexcozac at hotmail.com 2/12/2007 7:30:44 AM >>> Hello Metal tape lovers! Seriously...ALL you are "JOKING"...NO...NO...tape/cassettes manufacture will PRODUCE..."REGULARLY" Metal cassettes, as the demand DON'T justifies the "Came Back" manufacturing such type cassettes! BTW...I NEVER...seriously NEVER use Metal cassette in any of my Nak & others brands of cassette decks, for me Type ll chrome, lives up to/satisfies 100% my hears/brain demand!!!. Peace, Alex! Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:31:09 -0800From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Lobbying Nakamichi to manufacture maintenance spares.To: naktalk at naks.comI could not have said it better myself.......listening to Nusrat on my zx 7 on a cassette....I'd have it no other way! TDK! DONT TAPE IT TDK MA-XG IT. PLEEEEEEEASEEE!bastard wrote: Soumi's comments reminded me of an email I recently sent to TDK Corp on a related issue.This is what I said [& it's none too polite!]"WE WANT METAL TAPES, WE WANT TDK MA-XGs!!!"Despite popular belief, analogue cassette recording is still the medium of choice for a significant portion of audiophiles & music lovers. Those of us still using this underrated medium take recording very seriously, using high-end vintage cassette decks that can fully exploit the best software. TDK MA-XG is/was the industry standard in this application, but was presumably dropped as demand for the medium fell with the introduction of digital recording.Today, the asking price for new, sealed MA-XGs (& similar quality metal formulations) is ~ US$35-40.00 - per tape! Meaning, demand has outstripped supply & they have become collectable.Check eBay & see for yourselves.All the more tragic then to see how the mighty have fallen. From that most respected position of 'industry standard' & 'best-of-the-best', today TDK attempts to penetrate the fickle, forgettable 'digital lifestyles' market with a sad range of generic 'me to' products!TDK should dust off the machinery & manufacture these superb cassettes again to fill the niche. Surely we all understand the cyclic nature of the marketplace? Just observe the robust niche reclaimed by the vinyl LP & the turntable. Albeit on a smaller scale, the humble audio cassette will undoubtedly come back to have its day in the sun as 'retro chic'. And regardless of this phenomenon, the existing demand for high quality blank media is dependable & loyal at current user levels. Again, check the internet for the level of interest surrounding classic cassette decks like Nakamichi ... & what do we all want to feed our decks? TDK MA-XGs!!!WAKE UP TDK, THE MARKET IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING!!!"Regards,Grant Nicholson=Online Safety Training Solutions400+ online EHS courses in both English and Spanish. Free previews. Turn to PureSafety for online safety training delivery and tracking solutions that drive business performance.http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=a2f155f7a51fbef6bc1c420419af752f========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection.Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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Pickens) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:00:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS Cr-5a Please contact off list with any questions / curious about jig prices Message-ID: <45D07313.5080209@bellsouth.net> Cr-5a for sale - 325.00. ZX-9 is sold. CR-7a details have been sent to those interested. Please respond off list. . Please contact off list with any questions. Pics available also. Thanks. Stanley Pickens Any Ideas on a ball park figure for the most im portant jigs? From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:20:54 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:20:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX In-Reply-To: <41592DAC-5A96-4199-918F-B3A8CA20430A@spamcop.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070212092054.0085b160@earthlink.net> A tip on the sticky pivots: Do not remove the pinch/guide unit, as you will riun the deck's alignment. Spray a bit of WD 40 into a small cup and pick up a drop with an eyedropper. Pushing the pinch arm against the coil spring towards the deck plate, open a smal 0.5mm gap between the arm and the adjust screw and washer. Drop in the WD 40. Allow the deck to face up (remove the RCA jacks and rest it on a pillow) for an hour, and repeat the process as needed. WD40 has solvents and capillary penetrants that will eventually break up the gunk. Do try to keep the WD40 off the pinch rubber. WD40 in a needle syringe would work better. tom brucker At 09:48 AM 2/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >i'd agree with ben's reply but you are very likely to come across >these problems: > >orange capacitors failing > >capstan roller pivot, one or both being 'gummed' up with old grease >and not moving up to engage with the capstans in play and record. > >I own a 680, 682ZX, 582 and 480... all of these have the 'classic' >transports as they're often called. The 680 and 582 both have sticky >pivots. The 582 i've just about managed to free off with IPA and >patience. With the 680 we had to take to pivot off as it was so >stuck. It almost seemed as if it had corroded or the metals had >reacted together. It seems to work fine now but when you mess with >these they need to be setup using the Nakamichi gauges that few have. > >With all four of the above decks there are several record / >calibration problems which I think all stem from the 'orange cap' >disease. The 680 and 480 play but do not record. The 582 records but >has problems getting the record levels setup correctly. The 682 ZX >has more record / bias oscillator problems that I haven't got around >to yet.. > >I just need to replace all these orange caps in the machines then >setup them up correctly and they should be fine, but that takes time, >isn't expensive if you DIY but would cost at least as much as you're >thinking of paying if not more to have a good engineer do. > > >hope this helps > >adrian > >On 11 Feb 2007, at 22:30, Douglas Shearer wrote: > >> Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a Nakamichi 680ZX for $US 140.00. >> Have to trust the seller�s description that it is in very good >> condition. I�m new to Nakamichi tape decks and was wondering 1) if >> this a fair price? And 2) In general how are the second-hand >> 680ZX�s? Thanks, Doug >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:00:19 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:00:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070212090019.0085acb0@earthlink.net> I sincerely doubt the metal is copyrighted. The small circuit boards might be. The US company that bought Nak's name could care less. (They are owned by Wal-Mart) . Does anyone know what has become of Nakamichi Japan? We are probably talking about 10-20 sets? I do not se anyone profiting from such a small run. I like the idea to have different gauges built in different areas. The erase and R/P tilt gauges have small circuit boards that need to be reversed engineered. The erase tilt has a prism, too. Perhaps the very first step is to get photographs on Wouter's site available for download, so the folks that want to facitlitate machining can better estimate what additional resources they might need. Calibration and checkout is best done by the facilitator using a deck in their possession. Mailing these around the world will take considerable time, and a machine shop would probably do a better job with immediate feedback. It will take 10 days to get the gauges here. I will attempt to photograph them and send the pix to Wouter. I assume .jpg is the preferred format. What resolution? tom brucker At 03:49 AM 2/11/07 EST, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >>>> What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions is compiled. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:06:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:06:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3592.7566.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45CF0549.5060507@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070212090659.0085bce0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3336 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 16:28:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:28:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem In-Reply-To: <001d01c74ddc$b6f6f410$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070212092859.0085b230@earthlink.net> Bill, The reel idler is slipping against the reel table tires. I would remove the transport following the service manual, and peer beneath the cassette holder to check the condition of the reel table tires. Another possible cause is a very loose capstan belt that slips on the reel idler. tom brucker At 08:01 AM 2/11/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I have an old 600 II I bought new years ago and am in the process of repairing, where possible, my Nak decks. The 600 II always had a problem with contacts inside but now the reel drives do not turn at all. The capstan drive does turn and engages, thus just unwinding tape. I do not have a service manual and cannot see inside where the belt or drives are driven so maybe someone can tell me if it is difficult to fix such a problem. Some Naks are not too tough to get to mechanical parts etc and others are. Where does the 600 II rate. Is it likely a belt, motor or what might be dead to cause the reel drives to not turn at all, forward, reverse or play. Worth fixing?? Considering what I see them selling for on EBay, it does not look like spending much for repair is worth while but I don't have a feel for what it might take to fix this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 12 16:38:21 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:38:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 dead no more! In-Reply-To: <286377.46546.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070212153821.18111.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes had tried that. It moved freely and smoothly by hand. When RR, FF, or play button was hit it did get voltage for a fraction of a second but no motor movement. I used a small 90 degree phillips screwdriver to get the motor out without taking the entire front of the deck apart (must have lots of patience for this!). Well now the motor runs! OK for how long? I re-soldered the motor leads and cleaned the plug on the circuit board, reinstalled the motor and now it's been working fine. It ran for a solid 6 hours. It worked just fine. After two days of running it I finally put the case back together and all is well so far. Again the motor was not binding at all. Wish me luck. Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Bob, Did you try freeing the motor to see if it turns when you hit play? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: Well tonight the new good condx ZX7 quit. It looks like the reel motor died. It gets voltage to it when play is pushed but it doesn't run. Since the tape does not move it shuts down/stops. It looks like the same motor as is in the LX5. The question is should I do that? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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Ben PART No.DESCRIPTION DA09013ATorque Gauge DA09039ATilt Check Gauge DA09040AErase Head Tilt Check Gauge DA09042AErase Head Stroke Check GaugeFor Models Serial Nos A11601101 - A11603009 DA09051AErase Head Stroke Check GaugeFor Models Serial Nos A11603009 - Onwards DA09047AStroke Check Gauge DA09048ARecord Head Mounting Gauge DA09055ABack Tension GaugeFor Models Serial Nos A11606264 - Onwards DA09056ATension Arm Adjustment CassetteFor Models Serial Nos A11606264 - Onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 18:08:18 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:08:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <8C91CD64588F686-C30-68DD@mblk-r18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C91CD64588F686-C30-68DD@mblk-r18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702120908t58454210g367704a6d6c1b152@mail.gmail.com> I put together a table a while back here http://www.reject.org/~devon/NakMechanicalAdjustment.htm with a sizable list as well. -Tim On 2/12/07, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > I have had a look at a few service manuals and compiled the following list > of Gauges. Is this it, or are there more that are required? Ben > > > > *PART No.* *DESCRIPTION* ** > ** > ** > ** > *DA09013A* *Torque Gauge* ** > *DA09039A* *Tilt Check Gauge* ** > *DA09040A* *Erase Head Tilt Check Gauge* ** > *DA09042A* *Erase Head Stroke Check Gauge* For Models Serial Nos > A11601101 - A11603009 *DA09051A* *Erase Head Stroke Check Gauge* For > Models Serial Nos A11603009 - Onwards *DA09047A* *Stroke Check Gauge* ** > *DA09048A* *Record Head Mounting Gauge* ** > *DA09055A* *Back Tension Gauge* For Models Serial Nos A11606264 - Onwards > *DA09056A* *Tension Arm Adjustment Cassette* For Models Serial Nos > A11606264 - Onwards > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 19:00:03 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:00:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another ZX7 In-Reply-To: <20070212174001.40279.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <755899.69702.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could be a Capstan belt issue. Needs probably new capstan belt as the capstan differential is going down and causes tape to lose contact with the head. Alternatively, the pinch rollar does not move up completely to make the pinch rollar to correct position on one of the rollars. Manually push the pinch rollar on take up side to raise the pinch rollar pivot arm. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Guys, I bought locally a mint condx ZX7. At least it looks mint. I got to see it operate before I bought it. It has some kind of transport problem that it didn't have when I looked at it. At the beginning of a tape, take up spool empty or almost empty, the tape I guess loses tracking or something. You'll be recording and all is going well then it sounds like the tape loses contact with the heads or gets off track??? I hit pause or stop and restart and all is well for about 30 seconds or so. This problem doesn't seem to exist toward the end of the tape when the take up spool is full. Any hints? This is NOT the same deck as the motor issue. Thanks, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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This has been caused by a variety of activities in my past (rock concerts, farm equipment, firearms, and pyrotechnics). All along, I've been very interested in music, and since I'm an electronic engineer, I have a good backing in not only electronics, but am also well versed in acoustics. My sound system includes the names Klipsch, Carver, Onkyo and yes, Nakamichi! Well, after years of nagging by my better half, I finally got my hearing checked, and was really set back by the results. Along with a general hearing loss of about 40 dB from "normal", I have a nasty notch between 3K and 7K. in other words, I was a very good candidate for hearing aids. Being very sensitive to the stigma that may be attached to people with hearing aids, I chose the CIC (Completely In the Canal) type. I chose the Phonak brand digital aid. Although this aid has 3 modes, for purposes of this discussion, I'll only describe the mode that theoretically brings me back to a flat response. Although I now understand those voices I couldn't understand before, and hear things I haven't heard for years, (like the roaring ventilation system in my work place!), the results kinda suck for musical situations. First off, although my audiologist cannot explain why, certain frequencies will cause the aids to "ring" for almost a full second after the sound ends. Also, notes from certain instruments with reasonably "pure" tones, like trumpets, sound sorta "grindy", sorta like hearing the trumpet through fan blades. I'm assuming this effect is from the digital sampling. My audiologist says there is nothing that can be done for that either. So, am I stuck with this? Do I need to remove the aids when I want to listen to music? Is there a way to fix the problem with these particular aids? Are there other aids that are better for music? If I need to remove the aids when listening to music, I think I want to start looking for an equalizer for my system. I have already played with Cool Edit Pro's graphic equalizer to modify .wav files and the results are good. That would solve the problem for digital music on my PC, but I would like the same equalization capability in my system. Having never considered an equalizer before, I have no idea where to start. Who makes good ones for a reasonable price? I am hoping someone on this list may be familiar with this type of problem. If not, does anyone know where I find others in this kind of situation? Thanks in advance for any advice you may have! Gary From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 12 19:43:05 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another ZX7 In-Reply-To: <755899.69702.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514229.53895.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, I'll look into that. What I did do was lube the back of the spindle where the shaft goes into the rear plastic piece (proper oil). I worked the FF and RR several times and then tried to duplicate the problem and all worked well then. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not yet??? I had time to try a few times after that and all was well but I had to leave to go to work. I'll try again afterwards. Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Could be a Capstan belt issue. Needs probably new capstan belt as the capstan differential is going down and causes tape to lose contact with the head. Alternatively, the pinch rollar does not move up completely to make the pinch rollar to correct position on one of the rollars. Manually push the pinch rollar on take up side to raise the pinch rollar pivot arm. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Guys, I bought locally a mint condx ZX7. At least it looks mint. I got to see it operate before I bought it. It has some kind of transport problem that it didn't have when I looked at it. At the beginning of a tape, take up spool empty or almost empty, the tape I guess loses tracking or something. You'll be recording and all is going well then it sounds like the tape loses contact with the heads or gets off track??? I hit pause or stop and restart and all is well for about 30 seconds or so. This problem doesn't seem to exist toward the end of the tape when the take up spool is full. Any hints? This is NOT the same deck as the motor issue. Thanks, Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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Needs probably new capstan belt as the capstan differential is going down and causes tape to lose contact with the head. Alternatively, the pinch rollar does not move up completely to make the pinch rollar to correct position on one of the rollars. Manually push the pinch rollar on take up side to raise the pinch rollar pivot arm. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Guys, I bought locally a mint condx ZX7. At least it looks mint. I got to see it operate before I bought it. It has some kind of transport problem that it didn't have when I looked at it. At the beginning of a tape, take up spool empty or almost empty, the tape I guess loses tracking or something. You'll be recording and all is going well then it sounds like the tape loses contact with the heads or gets off track??? I hit pause or stop and restart and all is well for about 30 seconds or so. This problem doesn't seem to exist toward the end of the tape when the take up spool is full. Any hints? 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The oil must be very light though or it may not help. Don't use WD40 for this. I used Prolong Precision oil. May not work for everyone, but was great for this application with this particular deck. (And the squeaky issues with classic transport gears). Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 20:04:58 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:04:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another ZX7 In-Reply-To: <78912.97204.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687967.92616.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could be only due to capstan belt or capstan to pinch rollar contact - since these control the tape tension between the capstans. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: What I was thinking since it was only at the beginning of the tape is that it may be a torque issue on the spindles??? Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Could be a Capstan belt issue. Needs probably new capstan belt as the capstan differential is going down and causes tape to lose contact with the head. Alternatively, the pinch rollar does not move up completely to make the pinch rollar to correct position on one of the rollars. Manually push the pinch rollar on take up side to raise the pinch rollar pivot arm. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Guys, I bought locally a mint condx ZX7. At least it looks mint. I got to see it operate before I bought it. It has some kind of transport problem that it didn't have when I looked at it. At the beginning of a tape, take up spool empty or almost empty, the tape I guess loses tracking or something. You'll be recording and all is going well then it sounds like the tape loses contact with the heads or gets off track??? I hit pause or stop and restart and all is well for about 30 seconds or so. This problem doesn't seem to exist toward the end of the tape when the take up spool is full. Any hints? 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After applying some oil to the left hand capstan bearing, it improved to 108 seconds. The spec for that deck was 110! The oil must be very light though or it may not help. Don't use WD40 for this. I used Prolong Precision oil. May not work for everyone, but was great for this application with this particular deck. (And the squeaky issues with classic transport gears). Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Feb 12 21:46:44 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:46:44 EST Subject: [naktalk] Another ZX7 Message-ID: Bob, That's what I did. You ease the plastic washers back a bit on the capstan to give you clearance, but DON'T get it on anything else - Especially rubber parts. Let one drop soak in, then repeat with a further drop but no more. I'd try Kannan's Suggestions first and this as a last resort. (Kannan know's what he is talking about) Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmcalli at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 23:19:48 2007 From: jmcalli at yahoo.com (James McAllister) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:19:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <722516.78079.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gary, I'm 60 and am in good overal health, but I have severe sensorineural hearing loss. It's probably occupational but no one can tell me for sure what the cause is. I used to have great hearing. My hearing is so bad now that I can't use telephones (even the amplified ones that are for people with hearing loss) because my comprehension is so poor. It's no longer t a matter of increasing the volume; my ENT says that the sensory apparatus and pathways in my brain are damaged. One ENT I went to wanted to give me cochlear implants but after researching the downside I decided I didn't want that. I've had a number of hearing aids over the last 20 year (they seem to last about 5 years or so before they die or my hearing becomes worse and I need stronger instruments). Today's digital programmable hearing aids are light years ahead of anything that was available 20 years ago, but I don't think hearing aid technology will ever be able to completely replace healthy ears. The ears do quite a bit more than just act as sound transducers to the brain. The ears and the neural pathways enable the listener to selectively focus on certain sounds and block out others as well as determine direction. No hearing aid can currently do these things, or probably ever will be able to. I wear digital fully programmable Phonaks (ITE's) and they are near the top of the line and came with a remote control and lots of bells and whistles (pun intended), but even with the built-in directional microphones I can't determine the sources of sounds very well. And background noises still make it very difficult to carry on a conversation. I don't even try to listen to music anymore because it's just noise to me. I used to be an audiophile but I've given much of my equipment away to my children. I "hear" in a very narrow frequency range and I can't sense sounds outside of that frequency range. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the hearing aids seem to "compress" other sounds back into my available sensory range, and if they "crowd" it too much it becomes very uncomfortable for me. It's difficult to describe. I would like the HA manufacturers to come out with the hardware and software so that the user can program his own HA's. My audiologist says that may be coming but is not available yet. I have to go to him and he hooks my HA's up to his computer and plays around on his keyboard for a few minutes, then hands them back to me and solicits my feedback. It's very difficult to describe to him what changes he needs to make in order to improve the performance of the HA's. I go home and try them for a few days and then return to him with suggestions for adjustments, but I can't tell him exactly what to do because I don't know how the program works or what it's ranges and limitations are. Not to say anything negative about him (he's one of the best audiologists I've known), but if I could just experiment myself I could probably be more effective than he is. The holy grail would be regeneration of the hair cells inside the ear. Stem cell research is probably the only way that will every occur. I've heard that some hearing regeneration experiments have been done successfully in birds but it's probably a decade or three away for humans. The House Ear Institute (I think they are in California) is on the cutting edge of hearing studies, but I'm sure there is lots of good work being done all over the world. The Baby Boomers (like me) are clammoring for more research and a "cure." A warning. If you take your hearing aids out to listen to music be careful of the volume. You can make your hearing worse if you crank it up to the point that you "feel" like you're enjoying it. Be very careful of listening with headphones at higher volume because they can definitely make things worse. You can damage your ears further without being aware of it. At this point you want to do everything possible to preserve what you have left. I don't understand the "ringing" you describe, unless it's feedback. If it's feedback that could be because your HA's are poorly fitted. Or it could be that the volume is adjusted too high for the frequencies involved. I sometimes "hear" things that aren't there. I think the brains is hungry for sound, and when it is no longer present it tends to create it. I know I sound like I'm crazy (my wife thinks so), but I "hear" music constantly even though it isn't there, and I know it isn't. It's my brain creating the notes to fill the vacuum. James gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: Off topic, but maybe there will be some interest... Can I call myself an audiophile even if I have significant hearing problems? That is the dilemma I find myself in today. I have had problems hearing speech in noisy environments for YEARS. This has been caused by a variety of activities in my past (rock concerts, farm equipment, firearms, and pyrotechnics). All along, I've been very interested in music, and since I'm an electronic engineer, I have a good backing in not only electronics, but am also well versed in acoustics. My sound system includes the names Klipsch, Carver, Onkyo and yes, Nakamichi! Well, after years of nagging by my better half, I finally got my hearing checked, and was really set back by the results. Along with a general hearing loss of about 40 dB from "normal", I have a nasty notch between 3K and 7K. in other words, I was a very good candidate for hearing aids. Being very sensitive to the stigma that may be attached to people with hearing aids, I chose the CIC (Completely In the Canal) type. I chose the Phonak brand digital aid. Although this aid has 3 modes, for purposes of this discussion, I'll only describe the mode that theoretically brings me back to a flat response. Although I now understand those voices I couldn't understand before, and hear things I haven't heard for years, (like the roaring ventilation system in my work place!), the results kinda suck for musical situations. First off, although my audiologist cannot explain why, certain frequencies will cause the aids to "ring" for almost a full second after the sound ends. Also, notes from certain instruments with reasonably "pure" tones, like trumpets, sound sorta "grindy", sorta like hearing the trumpet through fan blades. I'm assuming this effect is from the digital sampling. My audiologist says there is nothing that can be done for that either. So, am I stuck with this? Do I need to remove the aids when I want to listen to music? Is there a way to fix the problem with these particular aids? Are there other aids that are better for music? If I need to remove the aids when listening to music, I think I want to start looking for an equalizer for my system. I have already played with Cool Edit Pro's graphic equalizer to modify .wav files and the results are good. That would solve the problem for digital music on my PC, but I would like the same equalization capability in my system. Having never considered an equalizer before, I have no idea where to start. Who makes good ones for a reasonable price? I am hoping someone on this list may be familiar with this type of problem. If not, does anyone know where I find others in this kind of situation? Thanks in advance for any advice you may have! Gary ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 13 01:53:48 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:53:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another ZX7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <238200.60482.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Kannan, and all, I cleaned the capstan belt and flywheels and lubricated as Ben mentioned and it's working fine. Hopefully it'll stay that way. I got this ZX7 from a local guy that is the original owner. He had the original box, packing, book, cleaning kit, nakamichi test tape, dust cloth with the Nak logo on it, and receipt. It's 100% clean and looks like it just came out of the box! I cannot see wear on the heads and you have to look very hard to see any patterns/wear/marks on the pinch rollers. I paid top dollar for it since I was able to go look at it and listen to it. Thanks guys for your input. Any other ideas are very welcome. Bob Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Bob, That's what I did. You ease the plastic washers back a bit on the capstan to give you clearance, but DON'T get it on anything else - Especially rubber parts. Let one drop soak in, then repeat with a further drop but no more. I'd try Kannan's Suggestions first and this as a last resort. (Kannan know's what he is talking about) Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Feb 13 03:25:44 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:25:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems? In-Reply-To: <722516.78079.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <722516.78079.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f1c2a830702121825h2efab27flc79b892ca167069f@mail.gmail.com> I too have hearing loss. My right ear doesn't work at all due to nerve damage after Mumps and my left ear has lost sensitivity to the upper frequencies such that conversations became difficult. I was given a programmed digital National Health Service hearing aid - not the most discrete of aids as it is large and sits behind the ear - but it's very good. I've got used to using it with music and now find using it is a huge improvement over listening without it. The main difference, of course, is that using the aid has altered the balance between the high frequencies and the bass end. Using the aid, bass seems to be less, but it isn't - it's an illusion bcause I am now hearing more of the upper frequencies, which the aid has boosted. The aid also works very well with my semi open headphones - I get no unpleasant feedback. So, my advice would not be to give up on a hearing aid but to be prepared to try out a few to find which suits you best. And don't assume the most expensive will be the best. Gra' On 12/02/07, James McAllister wrote: > > Gary, > > I'm 60 and am in good overal health, but I have severe sensorineural > hearing loss. It's probably occupational but no one can tell me for sure > what the cause is. I used to have great hearing. My hearing is so bad now > that I can't use telephones (even the amplified ones that are for people > with hearing loss) because my comprehension is so poor. It's no longer t a > matter of increasing the volume; my ENT says that the sensory apparatus and > pathways in my brain are damaged. One ENT I went to wanted to give me > cochlear implants but after researching the downside I decided I didn't want > that. > > I.... > > I don't understand the "ringing" you describe, unless it's feedback. If > it's feedback that could be because your HA's are poorly fitted. Or it > could be that the volume is adjusted too high for the frequencies involved. > I sometimes "hear" things that aren't there. I think the brains is hungry > for sound, and when it is no longer present it tends to create it. I know I > sound like I'm crazy (my wife thinks so), but I "hear" music constantly even > though it isn't there, and I know it isn't. It's my brain creating the > notes to fill the vacuum. > > James > > *gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com* wrote: > > Off topic, but maybe there will be some interest... > > Can I call myself an audiophile even if I have significant hearing > problems? > > .... > I am hoping someone on this list may be familiar with this type of > problem. If not, does anyone know where I find others in this kind of > situation? > > Thanks in advance for any advice you may have! > > > Gary > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some days it's almost unbearable - to give you an idea, it still intrudes even if I'm driving at 60-70 mph in a small car that isn't particularly quiet. It makes the concept of "noise floor" on audio equipment redundant a lot of the time. I still find listening to music enjoyable, whether it's live or recorded, whether it's over speakers or headphones but I'm guessing that the condition could deteriorate if I don't take take some action. The question is - what action? Obviously listening at high levels over headphones is a no-no (and that may have been a contributory factor in my late teens/early twenties) but does anyone have any experience of this and ideas of what can be done to limit its effects? I've been reading about cranio-sacral therapy and some claims are made for its beneficial effects on tinnitus but my guess is that it's very expensive and as such it feels like a real leap of faith. I know this is off-topic as far as the list goes but hearing anomalies are clearly a concern for a few of us. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Feb 13 09:42:00 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:42:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems In-Reply-To: <200702130829.l1D8T0wv032354@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702130829.l1D8T0wv032354@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: off topic; "Tinnitus" is , from waht I understand, a horrible condition. William Shatner, I believe, said that it nearly drove him to suicide. I might be wrong , but i think I recall him mentioning that.I think perhaps equalizers like the other naktalker mentioned are a great idea.I dont know what else to tell you.I sure hope you find a way that remediates your suffering with this aweful condition and enhances the enjoyment of Naks and music. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:28:54 -0600, Chris Mann wrote: > I've read the two posts so far about hearing loss with great interest. > I'm 48 and for at least 20 years I've had tinnitus in my left ear. The > received wisdom, in the UK at least, is that it's incurable. > > Some days it's almost unbearable - to give you an idea, it still > intrudes even if I'm driving at 60-70 mph in a small car that isn't > particularly quiet. > > It makes the concept of "noise floor" on audio equipment redundant a lot > of the time. I still find listening to music enjoyable, whether it's > live or recorded, whether it's over speakers or headphones but I'm > guessing that the condition could deteriorate if I don't take take some > action. > > The question is - what action? Obviously listening at high levels over > headphones is a no-no (and that may have been a contributory factor in > my late teens/early twenties) but does anyone have any experience of > this and ideas of what can be done to limit its effects? > > I've been reading about cranio-sacral therapy and some claims are made > for its beneficial effects on tinnitus but my guess is that it's very > expensive and as such it feels like a real leap of faith. > > I know this is off-topic as far as the list goes but hearing anomalies > are clearly a concern for a few of us. > > Chris -- From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 13 15:00:13 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:00:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems In-Reply-To: References: <200702130829.l1D8T0wv032354@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45D1C46D.6090008@rcn.com> jerryjg wrote: > off topic; "Tinnitus" is , from waht I understand, a horrible > condition. William Shatner, I believe, said that it nearly drove him to > suicide. I might be wrong , but i think I recall him mentioning that.I > think perhaps equalizers like the other naktalker mentioned are a great > idea.I dont know what else to tell you.I sure hope you find a way that > remediates your suffering with this aweful condition and enhances the > enjoyment of Naks and > music. Robert Schumann's tinnitus drove him to suicide. Both Beethoven (in addition to deafness) and Smetana suffered from the same disease. The response to tinnitus depends on the patient's mental state. Most people take it stride. It's not as 'horrible' or 'awful' as many, many other conditions I can think of. -- Ron > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:28:54 -0600, Chris Mann > wrote: > >> I've read the two posts so far about hearing loss with great >> interest. I'm 48 and for at least 20 years I've had tinnitus in my >> left ear. The received wisdom, in the UK at least, is that it's >> incurable. >> >> Some days it's almost unbearable - to give you an idea, it still >> intrudes even if I'm driving at 60-70 mph in a small car that isn't >> particularly quiet. >> >> It makes the concept of "noise floor" on audio equipment redundant a >> lot of the time. I still find listening to music enjoyable, whether >> it's live or recorded, whether it's over speakers or headphones but >> I'm guessing that the condition could deteriorate if I don't take take >> some action. >> >> The question is - what action? Obviously listening at high levels >> over headphones is a no-no (and that may have been a contributory >> factor in my late teens/early twenties) but does anyone have any >> experience of this and ideas of what can be done to limit its effects? >> >> I've been reading about cranio-sacral therapy and some claims are made >> for its beneficial effects on tinnitus but my guess is that it's very >> expensive and as such it feels like a real leap of faith. >> >> I know this is off-topic as far as the list goes but hearing anomalies >> are clearly a concern for a few of us. >> >> Chris From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Feb 13 15:22:20 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:22:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A technician with hearing problems References: <200702130829.l1D8T0wv032354@zxe.naks.com> <45D1C46D.6090008@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c74f7a$61c58ed0$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi Guys, I'm 54, at least my severe tinnitus is in stereo! I can still see my sensitive test equipment, if I wear my magnifying glasses. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems jerryjg wrote: > off topic; "Tinnitus" is , from waht I understand, a horrible > condition. William Shatner, I believe, said that it nearly drove him to > suicide. I might be wrong , but i think I recall him mentioning that.I > think perhaps equalizers like the other naktalker mentioned are a great > idea.I dont know what else to tell you.I sure hope you find a way that > remediates your suffering with this aweful condition and enhances the > enjoyment of Naks and > music. Robert Schumann's tinnitus drove him to suicide. Both Beethoven (in addition to deafness) and Smetana suffered from the same disease. The response to tinnitus depends on the patient's mental state. Most people take it stride. It's not as 'horrible' or 'awful' as many, many other conditions I can think of. -- Ron > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:28:54 -0600, Chris Mann > wrote: > >> I've read the two posts so far about hearing loss with great >> interest. I'm 48 and for at least 20 years I've had tinnitus in my >> left ear. The received wisdom, in the UK at least, is that it's >> incurable. >> >> Some days it's almost unbearable - to give you an idea, it still >> intrudes even if I'm driving at 60-70 mph in a small car that isn't >> particularly quiet. >> >> It makes the concept of "noise floor" on audio equipment redundant a >> lot of the time. I still find listening to music enjoyable, whether >> it's live or recorded, whether it's over speakers or headphones but >> I'm guessing that the condition could deteriorate if I don't take take >> some action. >> >> The question is - what action? Obviously listening at high levels >> over headphones is a no-no (and that may have been a contributory >> factor in my late teens/early twenties) but does anyone have any >> experience of this and ideas of what can be done to limit its effects? >> >> I've been reading about cranio-sacral therapy and some claims are made >> for its beneficial effects on tinnitus but my guess is that it's very >> expensive and as such it feels like a real leap of faith. >> >> I know this is off-topic as far as the list goes but hearing anomalies >> are clearly a concern for a few of us. >> >> Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From backmd at comcast.net Tue Feb 13 15:45:20 2007 From: backmd at comcast.net (backmd at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:45:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A technician with hearing problems Message-ID: <021320071445.12592.45D1CF000006D4E40000313022134843730B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> Is it due to presbycussis, or what did the ENT docs say? -------------- Original message -------------- From: > Hi Guys, > > I'm 54, at least my severe tinnitus is in stereo! > > I can still see my sensitive test equipment, > if I wear my magnifying glasses. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems > > > > jerryjg wrote: > > off topic; "Tinnitus" is , from waht I understand, a horrible > > condition. William Shatner, I believe, said that it nearly drove him to > > suicide. I might be wrong , but i think I recall him mentioning that.I > > think perhaps equalizers like the other naktalker mentioned are a great > > idea.I dont know what else to tell you.I sure hope you find a way that > > remediates your suffering with this aweful condition and enhances the > > enjoyment of Naks and > > music. > > Robert Schumann's tinnitus drove him to suicide. Both > Beethoven (in addition to deafness) and Smetana suffered > from the same disease. > > The response to tinnitus depends on the patient's mental > state. Most people take it stride. It's not as 'horrible' > or 'awful' as many, many other conditions I can think of. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:28:54 -0600, Chris Mann > > wrote: > > > >> I've read the two posts so far about hearing loss with great > >> interest. I'm 48 and for at least 20 years I've had tinnitus in my > >> left ear. The received wisdom, in the UK at least, is that it's > >> incurable. > >> > >> Some days it's almost unbearable - to give you an idea, it still > >> intrudes even if I'm driving at 60-70 mph in a small car that isn't > >> particularly quiet. > >> > >> It makes the concept of "noise floor" on audio equipment redundant a > >> lot of the time. I still find listening to music enjoyable, whether > >> it's live or recorded, whether it's over speakers or headphones but > >> I'm guessing that the condition could deteriorate if I don't take take > >> some action. > >> > >> The question is - what action? Obviously listening at high levels > >> over headphones is a no-no (and that may have been a contributory > >> factor in my late teens/early twenties) but does anyone have any > >> experience of this and ideas of what can be done to limit its effects? > >> > >> I've been reading about cranio-sacral therapy and some claims are made > >> for its beneficial effects on tinnitus but my guess is that it's very > >> expensive and as such it feels like a real leap of faith. > >> > >> I know this is off-topic as far as the list goes but hearing anomalies > >> are clearly a concern for a few of us. > >> > >> Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 18:18:08 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:18:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070212090019.0085acb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <427835.44135.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, A higher resolution is preferred, so that the machine shop guys can study the metals and finishing to give a closer cost estimation. The circuit boards shouldn't pose too much of a problem. But we are talking about complete units assembled and tested by the fabricators. They also have to give us measurement and any possible errors of the complete units. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Hi Tech wrote: I sincerely doubt the metal is copyrighted. The small circuit boards might be. The US company that bought Nak's name could care less. (They are owned by Wal-Mart) . Does anyone know what has become of Nakamichi Japan? We are probably talking about 10-20 sets? I do not se anyone profiting from such a small run. I like the idea to have different gauges built in different areas. The erase and R/P tilt gauges have small circuit boards that need to be reversed engineered. The erase tilt has a prism, too. Perhaps the very first step is to get photographs on Wouter's site available for download, so the folks that want to facitlitate machining can better estimate what additional resources they might need. Calibration and checkout is best done by the facilitator using a deck in their possession. Mailing these around the world will take considerable time, and a machine shop would probably do a better job with immediate feedback. It will take 10 days to get the gauges here. I will attempt to photograph them and send the pix to Wouter. I assume .jpg is the preferred format. What resolution? tom brucker At 03:49 AM 2/11/07 EST, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >>>> What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions is compiled. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Feb 13 18:40:21 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:40:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: <23571604.1171388421692.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Bala - I will try to find time this weekend to take apart one of these gauges, make some measurements and drawings (of at least some of it) and send the the drawing to you. See if you think it is sufficient for a fabricator. I'll make my best guess at material type. Can you read .dwg format from Autocad 2000? I can also send it in pdf. Tim Barrett Not to be confused with Tim Skorick (hi tim!) ---- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Tom, > > A higher resolution is preferred, so that the machine shop guys can study the metals and finishing to give a closer cost estimation. The circuit boards shouldn't pose too much of a problem. But we are talking about complete units assembled and tested by the fabricators. They also have to give us measurement and any possible errors of the complete units. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > Hi Tech wrote: I sincerely doubt the metal is copyrighted. The small circuit boards might > be. The US company that bought Nak's name could care less. (They are owned > by Wal-Mart) . Does anyone know what has become of Nakamichi Japan? We are > probably talking about 10-20 sets? I do not se anyone profiting from such > a small run. > I like the idea to have different gauges built in different areas. The > erase and R/P tilt gauges have small circuit boards that need to be > reversed engineered. The erase tilt has a prism, too. Perhaps the very > first step is to get photographs on Wouter's site available for download, > so the folks that want to facitlitate machining can better estimate what > additional resources they might need. > Calibration and checkout is best done by the facilitator using a deck > in their possession. Mailing these around the world will take considerable > time, and a machine shop would probably do a better job with immediate > feedback. > It will take 10 days to get the gauges here. I will attempt to photograph > them and send the pix to Wouter. I assume .jpg is the preferred format. > What resolution? > > tom brucker > > At 03:49 AM 2/11/07 EST, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > >>>> > What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? Perhaps an > approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light prior to an > issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once a list of the > equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + descriptions is > compiled. > Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 13 19:50:02 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:50:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter Message-ID: <20070213185002.21866.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have tried to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear any differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Feb 13 20:15:00 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:15:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Which orange caps are the most important to replace in the Dragon? Message-ID: Hello, Packing my Dragon up to send off to have belts replaced, maintenance and calibration. I was also wanting to have critical orange capacitors replaced while it was in the shop. What ones are the most critical? Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 20:38:21 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:38:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Which orange caps are the most important to replace in the Dragon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <936785.19012.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have come across very few orange cap failures in Dragon compared to 670/68X/58X/48X series as well as ZX7/9 series. I do not normally recommend this work on Dragon unless you want to spend considerable money. The orange caps in Dolby ( play and record) circuit / bias oscillator ( Dragon bias oscillator is a compact black box type - no need to touch it unless you see a failure) circuit areas need replacement in the 680/682/581/582/480/481/482/zx7/zx9 positively to prevent problems. Dragon' test tone oscillator/ NAAC / meter areas all have orange caps and are potential trouble spots. Infact I did this for two Dragons here in US.It s a time consuming / elaborate work - will cost good money! Kannan RICHARD FIne wrote: Hello, Packing my Dragon up to send off to have belts replaced, maintenance and calibration. I was also wanting to have critical orange capacitors replaced while it was in the shop. What ones are the most critical? Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Feb 13 20:51:43 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:51:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <23571604.1171388421692.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> References: <23571604.1171388421692.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: If it helps. I can do drawings in AC Inventor. I can also reverse engineer the PCB's and do proper schematics, PCB layouts, gerber-files + all the other stuff needed for the PCB's. If it is a small run and only one or two-layer PCB's, I can do the PCB's as well. Populated or non-populated. My current working enviroment is; Autocad Building Systems 2005, Autocad Inventor 9, EdWinXp 1.5, and WIZ-C (for PIC's). With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:40 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. > > Bala - > > I will try to find time this weekend to take apart one of > these gauges, make some measurements and drawings (of at > least some of it) and send the the drawing to you. See if > you think it is sufficient for a fabricator. I'll make my > best guess at material type. > > Can you read .dwg format from Autocad 2000? I can also send > it in pdf. > > Tim Barrett > Not to be confused with Tim Skorick (hi tim!) > > > ---- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Tom, > > > > A higher resolution is preferred, so that the machine > shop guys can study the metals and finishing to give a closer > cost estimation. The circuit boards shouldn't pose too much > of a problem. But we are talking about complete units > assembled and tested by the fabricators. They also have to > give us measurement and any possible errors of the complete units. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > Hi Tech wrote: I sincerely doubt > the metal is > > copyrighted. The small circuit boards might be. The US company that > > bought Nak's name could care less. (They are owned by > Wal-Mart) . Does > > anyone know what has become of Nakamichi Japan? We are probably > > talking about 10-20 sets? I do not se anyone profiting > from such a small run. > > I like the idea to have different gauges built in > different areas. > > The erase and R/P tilt gauges have small circuit boards > that need to > > be reversed engineered. The erase tilt has a prism, too. > Perhaps the > > very first step is to get photographs on Wouter's site > available for > > download, so the folks that want to facitlitate machining > can better > > estimate what additional resources they might need. > > Calibration and checkout is best done by the > facilitator using a > > deck in their possession. Mailing these around the world will take > > considerable time, and a machine shop would probably do a > better job > > with immediate feedback. > > It will take 10 days to get the gauges here. I will attempt to > > photograph them and send the pix to Wouter. I assume .jpg > is the preferred format. > > What resolution? > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 03:49 AM 2/11/07 EST, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > >>>> > > What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? > Perhaps an > > approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light > prior to > > an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once > a list of > > the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + > descriptions > > is compiled. > > Ben > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 00:56:39 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:56:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <884067.84836.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom , Have you tried Eagle? Bala Tomas Larsson wrote: If it helps. I can do drawings in AC Inventor. I can also reverse engineer the PCB's and do proper schematics, PCB layouts, gerber-files + all the other stuff needed for the PCB's. If it is a small run and only one or two-layer PCB's, I can do the PCB's as well. Populated or non-populated. My current working enviroment is; Autocad Building Systems 2005, Autocad Inventor 9, EdWinXp 1.5, and WIZ-C (for PIC's). With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.net > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:40 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. > > Bala - > > I will try to find time this weekend to take apart one of > these gauges, make some measurements and drawings (of at > least some of it) and send the the drawing to you. See if > you think it is sufficient for a fabricator. I'll make my > best guess at material type. > > Can you read .dwg format from Autocad 2000? I can also send > it in pdf. > > Tim Barrett > Not to be confused with Tim Skorick (hi tim!) > > > ---- Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Tom, > > > > A higher resolution is preferred, so that the machine > shop guys can study the metals and finishing to give a closer > cost estimation. The circuit boards shouldn't pose too much > of a problem. But we are talking about complete units > assembled and tested by the fabricators. They also have to > give us measurement and any possible errors of the complete units. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bala Ganesh > > > > Hi Tech wrote: I sincerely doubt > the metal is > > copyrighted. The small circuit boards might be. The US company that > > bought Nak's name could care less. (They are owned by > Wal-Mart) . Does > > anyone know what has become of Nakamichi Japan? We are probably > > talking about 10-20 sets? I do not se anyone profiting > from such a small run. > > I like the idea to have different gauges built in > different areas. > > The erase and R/P tilt gauges have small circuit boards > that need to > > be reversed engineered. The erase tilt has a prism, too. > Perhaps the > > very first step is to get photographs on Wouter's site > available for > > download, so the folks that want to facitlitate machining > can better > > estimate what additional resources they might need. > > Calibration and checkout is best done by the > facilitator using a > > deck in their possession. Mailing these around the world will take > > considerable time, and a machine shop would probably do a > better job > > with immediate feedback. > > It will take 10 days to get the gauges here. I will attempt to > > photograph them and send the pix to Wouter. I assume .jpg > is the preferred format. > > What resolution? > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 03:49 AM 2/11/07 EST, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > >>>> > > What would be the copywrite implications of this exercise? > Perhaps an > > approach should be made to Nakamichi to get the green light > prior to > > an issue developing? I would be happy to persue this once > a list of > > the equipment with original part numbers etc or photo's + > descriptions > > is compiled. > > Ben > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 14 01:08:52 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:08:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter In-Reply-To: <20070213185002.21866.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070213185002.21866.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D25314.3030308@rcn.com> Bob Naylor wrote: > Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have tried > to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear any > differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? Probably. The filter removes residual 19KHz and 38KHz tones that most (all?) high end receivers filter out before they can reach the output jack. -- Ron > Bob From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Feb 14 08:28:45 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:28:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: <44DBF285-8A12-44DD-B68A-4612584C7D79@alumni.caltech.edu> I would like to request something that might be obvious, but often isn't so I thought I'd put it down on [electronic] paper. Those that are testing & comparing to genuine Nak gauges should test not only that the reverse-engineered gauges show a deck in alignment (when it's already been aligned with the originals), but that a minimally mis-aligned deck (as evidenced by the originals) properly shows mis-alignment.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Feb 14 08:28:37 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:28:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter Message-ID: <25A22301-B7E2-4853-AD4E-558F40840B5C@alumni.caltech.edu> > Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have > tried to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear > any differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? You didn't mention whether you were using Dolby or not; the MPX filter is only useful for Dolby or other frequency-sensitive noise reduction. It is also quite possible your receiver/tuner is adequate. I never really seem to have needed it, either, but I am guessing it was more necessary in equipment pre-1970 or so, or really cheap stuff post-1970. If you could turn OFF the one in your tuner/receiver and use just the Nak one, there is some possibility the Nak one could be better (steeper cutoff), but that is usually not very easy to do.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Feb 14 13:16:55 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:46:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RE: We have a deal on gauges. References: <200702141102.l1EB1QCc018206@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00a201c75032$08c036b0$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Guys Ive got autocad (personal workstation) for the mechanical drawings etc and EagleCAD for PCB layouts. Deconstruction of jigs, measurements, PCB layout, etching (professional) etc are no problem ... -- Just putting in my entry as well. Best Soumi From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 14 13:59:06 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Gauges project mailinglist Message-ID: <12991.212.78.164.66.1171457946.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I've created a special mailinglist for the gauges project: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakgauges Please subscribe there if you want to contribute or just want to know what's going on. Wouter From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Feb 14 15:24:58 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:24:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem-new problem Message-ID: <000501c75043$e8e178b0$6701a8c0@main> I got the hub drive problem "semi-fixed". The small drive wheel for the tape hubs was not moving to either drive side. The arm it is mounted on was frozen on its pivot shaft. I was able to loosen it somewhat with some penetrant (PB Blaster) and moving it side to side a lot of times. Now it will move although not strong enough to apply the amount of pressure on the tape drive wheels to start a fast forward if the take up reel is nearly filled with tape or the same with reverse. If I slightly move the tape housing to lessen the resistance to moving the tape hubs, it will work though. It just does not drive the tape FF or Rev strong enough to cause the auto stop to function, it waits for you to hit the stop eject button. Possibly more use of the deck will help it loosen further. After I got that running I was trying to get the deck aligned. I did tighten all the plug contacts which attach to the edge connector of corresponding boards. I have disassembled the boards from one another several times and all contacts seem OK and not bent. My problem now is that one channel recorded low. I had to adjust the bias pots on both channels (Takes a lot of recording and playback and readjustments) to finally bring up both the meters to 0 and -8 dB (on the 10K signal). It looks fine and on that deck plays back fine. It also plays the alignment tapes reasonably well except for the 15K alignment tape. However despite that deck showing proper recording and playback if I play a 600II recorded tape on a different deck (Have tried this on three of them !) one channel has actually been recorded about 10dB low. This is true for both internal and externally input test tones. It will record them and play them back at the same level but if the tape is put in a different deck one channel is 10 dB low. Unless I inadvertently bumped some pot internally, I did not adjust any of them. Just the bias pots accessible from the front. It is not in the play circuit as test tapes play ok. It must somehow be in the record circuit or pot adjustment. I can even play back a 15K tone recorded on a different deck. It just records low but it does not know it on playback. What is confusing to me is that it will play a 400 cps tone recorded at 0dB on a different deck or the 400K alignment tape at 0 dB but when it records a tone at 0 dB the tape will show about 10dB low on a different deck but not on the 600II. It plays at 0 dB there. Anyone ever have a similar experience. I do not have a service manual (yet) for this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 14 15:43:01 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:43:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter In-Reply-To: <25A22301-B7E2-4853-AD4E-558F40840B5C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <723262.82121.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I use dolby. Since I can't hear differences I leave it off. Bob "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have tried to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear any differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? You didn't mention whether you were using Dolby or not; the MPX filter is only useful for Dolby or other frequency-sensitive noise reduction. It is also quite possible your receiver/tuner is adequate. I never really seem to have needed it, either, but I am guessing it was more necessary in equipment pre-1970 or so, or really cheap stuff post-1970. If you could turn OFF the one in your tuner/receiver and use just the Nak one, there is some possibility the Nak one could be better (steeper cutoff), but that is usually not very easy to do.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 14 15:44:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:44:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070214084411.008518d0@earthlink.net> Most modern tuners do a good job of filtering the mpx 19kHz pilot. If you do not use dolby, do not use the filter. If your B, and especially C tapes play back dull then start to record with the filter. If you have a tube type vintage tuner, use the filter. tom brucker At 10:50 AM 2/13/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have tried to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear any differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Feb 14 15:51:06 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:51:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 Message-ID: <000501c75047$8f27d180$6701a8c0@main> Just for information, although it can act as a solvent, WD 40 is NOT a lubricant. Be cautious of thinking it is. WD stands for "Water Displacement" and "40", the 40th attempt at a good formula. It may free up some sticking parts but lets the parts open for corrosion as it provides no lubrication and sort of "dries out" the contacting surfaces. Try something like PB Blaster which is a better solvent for rust and corrosion, then follow up with a light oil. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Feb 14 15:56:39 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:56:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX Message-ID: <000501c75048$558bc840$6701a8c0@main> What problems are seen when "Orange caps" (Mylar ones I assume) go bad? I have a 682ZX I am trying to improve in the area of HF response with the 15K alignment tapes. Could the orange caps in question be the cause? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 15:59:47 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:59:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem-new problem In-Reply-To: <000501c75043$e8e178b0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <257032.3350.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Are your deck's electronics caled? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bill Shenefelt wrote: I got the hub drive problem "semi-fixed". The small drive wheel for the tape hubs was not moving to either drive side. The arm it is mounted on was frozen on its pivot shaft. I was able to loosen it somewhat with some penetrant (PB Blaster) and moving it side to side a lot of times. Now it will move although not strong enough to apply the amount of pressure on the tape drive wheels to start a fast forward if the take up reel is nearly filled with tape or the same with reverse. If I slightly move the tape housing to lessen the resistance to moving the tape hubs, it will work though. It just does not drive the tape FF or Rev strong enough to cause the auto stop to function, it waits for you to hit the stop eject button. Possibly more use of the deck will help it loosen further. After I got that running I was trying to get the deck aligned. I did tighten all the plug contacts which attach to the edge connector of corresponding boards. I have disassembled the boards from one another several times and all contacts seem OK and not bent. My problem now is that one channel recorded low. I had to adjust the bias pots on both channels (Takes a lot of recording and playback and readjustments) to finally bring up both the meters to 0 and -8 dB (on the 10K signal). It looks fine and on that deck plays back fine. It also plays the alignment tapes reasonably well except for the 15K alignment tape. However despite that deck showing proper recording and playback if I play a 600II recorded tape on a different deck (Have tried this on three of them !) one channel has actually been recorded about 10dB low. This is true for both internal and externally input test tones. It will record them and play them back at the same level but if the tape is put in a different deck one channel is 10 dB low. Unless I inadvertently bumped some pot internally, I did not adjust any of them. Just the bias pots accessible from the front. It is not in the play circuit as test tapes play ok. It must somehow be in the record circuit or pot adjustment. I can even play back a 15K tone recorded on a different deck. It just records low but it does not know it on playback. What is confusing to me is that it will play a 400 cps tone recorded at 0dB on a different deck or the 400K alignment tape at 0 dB but when it records a tone at 0 dB the tape will show about 10dB low on a different deck but not on the 600II. It plays at 0 dB there. Anyone ever have a similar experience. I do not have a service manual (yet) for this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 16:03:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:03:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 In-Reply-To: <000501c75047$8f27d180$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <76700.17028.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is important information guys - not too long ago I chanced upon a vintage Sansui tube amp. The volme pot was slightly dirty and was crackling. The shop guy promptly squirted WD40 into the pot and said that this was the best contact cleaner! Best Regards Bala Ganesh Bill Shenefelt wrote: Just for information, although it can act as a solvent, WD 40 is NOT a lubricant. Be cautious of thinking it is. WD stands for "Water Displacement" and "40", the 40th attempt at a good formula. It may free up some sticking parts but lets the parts open for corrosion as it provides no lubrication and sort of "dries out" the contacting surfaces. Try something like PB Blaster which is a better solvent for rust and corrosion, then follow up with a light oil. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 14 16:16:56 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Which orange caps are the most important to replace in the Dragon? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D327E8.3090502@rcn.com> RICHARD FIne wrote: > Hello, > Packing my Dragon up to send off to have belts replaced, maintenance and > calibration. I was also wanting to have critical orange capacitors > replaced while it was in the shop. > What ones are the most critical? Those that are just about to fail :-). Seriously, though, there is nothing wrong with the orange caps except that they tend to go bad starting after 20 years or so. Until they do, they are fine. Once an orange cap fails, it is highly likely it will bring the deck down, in one way or another. In this sense, they are all critical. Bottom line: ideally, all orange caps should be replaced in older decks. That said, if you wish to replace just a few, I would start with the bias oscillator and move on to the Dolby board. -- Ron > > Rick From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 14 16:58:01 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:58:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 In-Reply-To: <76700.17028.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000501c75047$8f27d180$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070214095801.007d89f0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 14 17:09:04 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:09:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600 II reel drive problem-new problem In-Reply-To: <000501c75043$e8e178b0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070214100904.00854310@earthlink.net> Bill, Pop the e-clip off the reel idler and clean both shaft and arm with WD 40 to get the old crud out of there. >From what you describe you might have a guide problem. The fixed head guide was actually adjustable (with a special tool of course) If the left channel is the guilty party, then this is a strong possibility. tom brucker At 09:24 AM 2/14/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I got the hub drive problem "semi-fixed". The small drive wheel for the tape hubs was not moving to either drive side. The arm it is mounted on was frozen on its pivot shaft. I was able to loosen it somewhat with some penetrant (PB Blaster) and moving it side to side a lot of times. Now it will move although not strong enough to apply the amount of pressure on the tape drive wheels to start a fast forward if the take up reel is nearly filled with tape or the same with reverse. If I slightly move the tape housing to lessen the resistance to moving the tape hubs, it will work though. It just does not drive the tape FF or Rev strong enough to cause the auto stop to function, it waits for you to hit the stop eject button. Possibly more use of the deck will help it loosen further. After I got that running I was trying to get the deck aligned. I did tighten all the plug contacts which attach to the edge connector of corresponding boards. I have disassembled the boards from one another several times and all contacts seem OK and not bent. My problem now is that one channel recorded low. I had to adjust the bias pots on both channels (Takes a lot of recording and playback and readjustments) to finally bring up both the meters to 0 and -8 dB (on the 10K signal). It looks fine and on that deck plays back fine. It also plays the alignment tapes reasonably well except for the 15K alignment tape. However despite that deck showing proper recording and playback if I play a 600II recorded tape on a different deck (Have tried this on three of them !) one channel has actually been recorded about 10dB low. This is true for both internal and externally input test tones. It will record them and play them back at the same level but if the tape is put in a different deck one channel is 10 dB low. Unless I inadvertently bumped some pot internally, I did not adjust any of them. Just the bias pots accessible from the front. It is not in the play circuit as test tapes play ok. It must somehow be in the record circuit or pot adjustment. I can even play back a 15K tone recorded on a different deck. It just records low but it does not know it on playback. What is confusing to me is that it will play a 400 cps tone recorded at 0dB on a different deck or the 400K alignment tape at 0 dB but when it records a tone at 0 dB the tape will show about 10dB low on a different deck but not on the 600II. It plays at 0 dB there. Anyone ever have a similar experience. I do not have a service manual (yet) for this deck. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 14 17:38:44 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:38:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070214084411.008518d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <425183.94547.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll have to see if I hear any differences with tapes played back on different machines. Thanks Tom Hi Tech wrote: Most modern tuners do a good job of filtering the mpx 19kHz pilot. If you do not use dolby, do not use the filter. If your B, and especially C tapes play back dull then start to record with the filter. If you have a tube type vintage tuner, use the filter. tom brucker At 10:50 AM 2/13/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Does anyone use the MPX filter when recording FM stereo? I have tried to hear differences with the filter on or off and cannot hear any differences. Maybe my reciever filters it enuff??? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 00:03:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:03:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070214170318.00857500@earthlink.net> Speaking of the devil. I have been stuck for a while with Craig's Dragon and an intermittent NAAC (how 'bout we call it the 'click of death' when the azimuth motor runs one way and clicks ceaslessly). After the post about orange caps in the Dragon I thought to myself...why not change the 4 in the Auto Azimuth circuit and see what happens? So I changed C859, 860, 823,828. One of these caused the problem! Orange caps typically short and destroy the bias oscillator, however here they are used in low leakage circuits, and must also fail by leaking a little bit. We had a ZX9 last year (Tommy's) that had a leaky orange cap in the capstan servo, so it is not unheard of. I certainly appreciate the discussion here, and hope this tip helps others. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 15 00:51:21 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:51:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] An audiophile with hearing problems Message-ID: <956C6AF0-1ED7-46F8-B9D1-E1B0E088032C@alumni.caltech.edu> > Robert Schumann's tinnitus drove him to suicide. Both > Beethoven (in addition to deafness) and Smetana suffered > from the same disease. > > The response to tinnitus depends on the patient's mental > state. Most people take it stride. It's not as 'horrible' > or 'awful' as many, many other conditions I can think of. Schumann was also bipolar. I do think the response will also be dependent on the severity and nature of the tinnitus, though, not just the patient's mental state.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 14 16:41:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:41:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 In-Reply-To: <000501c75047$8f27d180$6701a8c0@main> References: <000501c75047$8f27d180$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45D32DA2.6060404@rcn.com> I kinda disagree... WD40 is a solvent and does displace water. Because of that it does not leave the surface 'open to corrosion' (corrosion is caused by humidity, none of which is present after WD40 application). OTOH, WD40 is too weak a lubricant; meaning, it decreases friction very slightly. I use WD40 to release frozen mechanical parts, after which I wipe it off and apply some machine oil. As to pots: if the shaft is frozen, squirting WD40 will tend to free it. WD40 will not harm the carbon track, but won't clean it well, either. If used, I follow it with a generous squirt of 'Contact Cleaner with Lubricant' (which I get from All Electronics). A hobby of mine is restoring vintage test instruments (Heathkit, EICO and the like). IME, once a pot or a rotary switch is frozen, the best way to fix it is to dismantle, clean with MEK, burnish the shaft and bushing, then lubricate the shaft with light grease, re-assemble and follow with 'Contact Cleaner with Lubricant'. I've had very good luck with pots repaired this way, they last a long time. It's time consuming, though. -- Ron Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Just for information, although it can act as a solvent, WD 40 is *NOT* > *a lubricant*. Be cautious of thinking it is. WD stands for "Water > Displacement" and "40", the 40th attempt at a good formula. It may free > up some sticking parts but lets the parts open for corrosion as it > provides no lubrication and sort of "dries out" the contacting > surfaces. Try something like PB Blaster which is a better solvent for > rust and corrosion, then follow up with a light oil. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 15 01:17:29 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:17:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 Message-ID: <001a01c75096$ae9c8c00$6701a8c0@main> Tom, I got a "non text attachment" in your post that I could not open and no message of 16:58:01. To all, WD 40 is a decent solvent although not as good with freeing rust or corrosion as PB Blaster. It does act as a mild solvent but provides more "drying power" than lubrication. If you use it, be sure to provide some sort of lubrication if you were trying to solve a binding problem. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 01:36:09 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 In-Reply-To: <45D32DA2.6060404@rcn.com> Message-ID: <725810.18578.qm@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> yea Ron I agree it works fine for loosening things up like a penetrating oil then it drys up. I have used it outside and that is my experience with it. Ron wrote: I kinda disagree... WD40 is a solvent and does displace water. Because of that it does not leave the surface 'open to corrosion' (corrosion is caused by humidity, none of which is present after WD40 application). OTOH, WD40 is too weak a lubricant; meaning, it decreases friction very slightly. I use WD40 to release frozen mechanical parts, after which I wipe it off and apply some machine oil. As to pots: if the shaft is frozen, squirting WD40 will tend to free it. WD40 will not harm the carbon track, but won't clean it well, either. If used, I follow it with a generous squirt of 'Contact Cleaner with Lubricant' (which I get from All Electronics). A hobby of mine is restoring vintage test instruments (Heathkit, EICO and the like). IME, once a pot or a rotary switch is frozen, the best way to fix it is to dismantle, clean with MEK, burnish the shaft and bushing, then lubricate the shaft with light grease, re-assemble and follow with 'Contact Cleaner with Lubricant'. I've had very good luck with pots repaired this way, they last a long time. It's time consuming, though. -- Ron Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Just for information, although it can act as a solvent, WD 40 is *NOT* > *a lubricant*. Be cautious of thinking it is. WD stands for "Water > Displacement" and "40", the 40th attempt at a good formula. It may free > up some sticking parts but lets the parts open for corrosion as it > provides no lubrication and sort of "dries out" the contacting > surfaces. Try something like PB Blaster which is a better solvent for > rust and corrosion, then follow up with a light oil. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 04:45:06 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:45:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070215032004.2FB498B339@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <444302.31432.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 15 09:18:23 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:18:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New BX-300 Message-ID: <200702150819.l1F8ISo6002664@zxe.naks.com> Dan Moy said: <> Dan If it's the Service Manual you want - I have that as a PDF and can send that (though I think it should be available on Ebaman.com once the database is fully restored). If it's the user manual, I think I have a copy and I'd be happy to photocopy and send that. I'll check and let you know. The BX-300 is a lovely deck - WOW was the only thing I could say when I first heard mine in March 2006! Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 16:53:32 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:53:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX WD40 In-Reply-To: <001a01c75096$ae9c8c00$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <817019.19533.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Usually, after using WD40 on a frozen pot, I get rid of it with compressed air, as much as possible, and quickly replace it with Caig's DeOxit. I try not to keep WD40 within the deck too long. Another cleaner which I don;t prefer too well is the Philips Contact cleaner. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bill Shenefelt wrote: Tom, I got a "non text attachment" in your post that I could not open and no message of 16:58:01. To all, WD 40 is a decent solvent although not as good with freeing rust or corrosion as PB Blaster. It does act as a mild solvent but provides more "drying power" than lubrication. If you use it, be sure to provide some sort of lubrication if you were trying to solve a binding problem. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 15 17:33:48 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New BX-300 In-Reply-To: <444302.31432.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639552.67358.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 15 17:40:16 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:40:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps Message-ID: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> Are most of these just coupling DC blockers at about .1 or .22 uf or are they all of many different values? Reason I ask is I would rather have a bunch on hand when I start changing them out. I don't want to start removing boards until I have parts on hand if that is possible. Also do they cause changes in circuitry that require a lot of readjustment of pots or chokes? Right now the deck works but I don't want something to fail and take out circuitry. Anyone have an "inventory" of the "orange cap" values and voltages? I will probably want to do both my Dragon and my 682ZX. I hate to take an inventory of all the film caps in the service manuals if only a few are the orange (mylar?) caps. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 18:18:46 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <8747.31187.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have to look in to your Dragon inside! - locate the orange Caps, identify the part number After identifying the Orange Cap - make an inventory list. This is a time consuming affair (to remove all the caps). Secondly almost all the playback/ record circuit requires re-adjustment. Lot of work. Also make sure left/right channel parts are preferably matched. Even meter circuit/ NAAC/ Tone circuit requires complete alignment steps as outlined in Dragon service manual. Normally i will not suggest this to somebody who has not much of experience with Dragon. however if you are adventurous and would still like to do this work welcome to do. However get a widebandwidth DMM or VTVM, Oscilloscope and Dragon service manual- with alignment tapes in hand when you start this work. You will notice almost about 50 - 60 caps ! Kannan Bill Shenefelt wrote: Are most of these just coupling DC blockers at about .1 or .22 uf or are they all of many different values? Reason I ask is I would rather have a bunch on hand when I start changing them out. I don't want to start removing boards until I have parts on hand if that is possible. Also do they cause changes in circuitry that require a lot of readjustment of pots or chokes? Right now the deck works but I don't want something to fail and take out circuitry. Anyone have an "inventory" of the "orange cap" values and voltages? I will probably want to do both my Dragon and my 682ZX. I hate to take an inventory of all the film caps in the service manuals if only a few are the orange (mylar?) caps. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 15 18:33:49 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:33:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> References: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45D4997D.1070806@rcn.com> Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Are most of these just coupling DC blockers at about .1 or .22 uf or are > they all of many different values? In general, these are not coupling capacitors; there will be many values involved. As much as you do not want to do it, the only sure way is to open a deck up and identify orange caps one by one. Even if someone has already doe this (as I have, for the CR-7) there is no guaranty that units manufactured a couple of years later won't different types of caps. Some of these caps are used in equalization circuits and their replacement may affect adjustments. This has to be checked cap by cap. If you deck has not been calibrated in a long time (say, over 5 to 10 years), then it's a good idea to have the deck re-calibrated. Don't forget, component values do change with time. -- Ron > Reason I ask is I would rather have > a bunch on hand when I start changing them out. I don't want to start > removing boards until I have parts on hand if that is possible. Also do > they cause changes in circuitry that require a lot of readjustment of > pots or chokes? Right now the deck works but I don't want something to > fail and take out circuitry. Anyone have an "inventory" of the "orange > cap" values and voltages? I will probably want to do both my Dragon and > my 682ZX. I hate to take an inventory of all the film caps in the > service manuals if only a few are the orange (mylar?) caps. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 19:05:35 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:05:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New BX-300 In-Reply-To: <639552.67358.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070215180535.21155.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, What connections should I check? Again, my problem is the right(or left) VU led incdicators do not function. the pilot light glows but no movement on the right channel ( bottom line) leds at all. left channel led works fine. deck records, plays ff and rew perfect. All other functions are perfect too. thanks for any help on this. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 15 19:36:29 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070215180535.21155.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070215183629.70261.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A friend had a similar problem and it turned out to be connections but which ones I do not know. There should be a harness going from the front of the deck (display) to the circuit board which is probably a plug in. Clean these terminals. Check for cold solder joints behind the display. Since the entire right side is out, there's something in common wrong. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Keep in touch. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Sorry, What connections should I check? Again, my problem is the right(or left) VU led incdicators do not function. the pilot light glows but no movement on the right channel ( bottom line) leds at all. left channel led works fine. deck records, plays ff and rew perfect. All other functions are perfect too. thanks for any help on this. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 15 19:37:35 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:37:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps Message-ID: > > service manuals if only a few are the orange (mylar?) caps. > > Bill Shenefelt For the record, the orange caps are polypropylene, not mylar.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dewbrock at sympatico.ca Thu Feb 15 19:44:26 2007 From: dewbrock at sympatico.ca (Douglas Shearer) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:44:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 Message-ID: Hi, can I get an opinion on a used Nakamichi 581? Thanks, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Feb 15 20:40:03 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:40:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MPX filter Message-ID: <5F3A62DE-4F90-4ADE-8D1B-F6416024D86B@alumni.caltech.edu> BTW, I neglected to mention in my comments about potentially using the Nak's MPX filter rather than the tuner/receiver's, that a lot of tuners/receivers have a button labelled "MPX filter" which doesn't do anything nearly the same as the MPX filter, so make sure if you do have a control labelled as such and want to use it, that it does what you think it does. The one that's labelled as such on a tuner/receiver sometimes is basically something that tries to reduce noise on a weak station by reducing the amount of channel separation (which in turn is accomplished by using less of the L-R signal that's carried on the MPX carrier— that is where the tie to "MPX" comes in but it doesn't do what you want to keep Dolby tracking on.-kby From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu Feb 15 21:19:22 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:19:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... In-Reply-To: <5F3A62DE-4F90-4ADE-8D1B-F6416024D86B@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <200702152021.l1FKKb7k012455@zxe.naks.com> All, Is the RM-100 able to control the RX 505? If not, was there ever a remote made to control the RX series...? Thx for the info... Marc. From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 15 21:43:13 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:43:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... Message-ID: In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:33:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: Is the RM-100 able to control the RX 505? If not, was there ever a remote made to control the RX series...? The RM-100 is for the 480 series only. It's a 6 pin DIN. The RX-303 and RX-505 will work with the Dragon wired remote, which I believe is called the RM-15. Any of the DIN 8 pin remotes will operate the RX-303 and RX-505, but not the reverse function. The 8 pin DIN remotes most common are the RM-200, the RM-5 and the infrared RM-580. Alternately, you can buy a TA-2, TA-3 or TA-4 receiver off eBay and the remote will operate all the functions of the RX-303 and RX-505, including reverse, using a DIN 8 pin cable between the deck and the receiver. A Receiver 1, 2 or 3 will also do this I think, but you need an SRC-4 remote converter for the remote connection. The later receivers, like the AV and RE don't have a reverse function on their remotes. I spent a lot of money on eBay figuring this out. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Feb 15 22:45:09 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:45:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> References: <000501c7511f$f968f5f0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: hi bill.. i asked the same question a while back about a part list for my decks.. scott's site has some listed for a 480, i think. the best and easiest way, unless any member has a neat list, is to use the parts list in your respective service manual. I bought a non working 682ZX recently and got the service manual from a guy in the US who sells on eBay, wintage-manuals, i think. In the s.m. it's easy to spot the orange caps as they're listed as PP Capacitor - 0.033u 100V for example.. I've been meaning to make a list and put in a digikey order, but i haven't got around to it! adrian On 15 Feb 2007, at 16:40, Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Are most of these just coupling DC blockers at about .1 or .22 uf > or are they all of many different values? Reason I ask is I would > rather have a bunch on hand when I start changing them out. I > don't want to start removing boards until I have parts on hand if > that is possible. Also do they cause changes in circuitry that > require a lot of readjustment of pots or chokes? Right now the > deck works but I don't want something to fail and take out > circuitry. Anyone have an "inventory" of the "orange cap" values > and voltages? I will probably want to do both my Dragon and my > 682ZX. I hate to take an inventory of all the film caps in the > service manuals if only a few are the orange (mylar?) caps. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 00:15:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:15:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display In-Reply-To: <20070215183629.70261.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <502242.33455.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Bob, I shall open her up tonight and check. The seller wants me to return it if I am not happy. I cant beleive people on ebay! Ill keep Naktak posted on this one. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: A friend had a similar problem and it turned out to be connections but which ones I do not know. There should be a harness going from the front of the deck (display) to the circuit board which is probably a plug in. Clean these terminals. Check for cold solder joints behind the display. Since the entire right side is out, there's something in common wrong. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Keep in touch. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Sorry, What connections should I check? Again, my problem is the right(or left) VU led incdicators do not function. the pilot light glows but no movement on the right channel ( bottom line) leds at all. left channel led works fine. deck records, plays ff and rew perfect. All other functions are perfect too. thanks for any help on this. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, I shall open her up tonight and check. The seller wants me to return it if I am not happy. I cant beleive people on ebay! Ill keep Naktak posted on this one. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: A friend had a similar problem and it turned out to be connections but which ones I do not know. There should be a harness going from the front of the deck (display) to the circuit board which is probably a plug in. Clean these terminals. Check for cold solder joints behind the display. Since the entire right side is out, there's something in common wrong. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Keep in touch. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Sorry, What connections should I check? Again, my problem is the right(or left) VU led incdicators do not function. the pilot light glows but no movement on the right channel ( bottom line) leds at all. left channel led works fine. deck records, plays ff and rew perfect. All other functions are perfect too. thanks for any help on this. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. 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Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 02:00:23 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... (& ST-7 remote) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <764078.87754.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Speaking of remotes. Last night I finished coding up the IR remote receiver for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. Again it's controlled via any Universal Remote programmed for Sony VCR. In this case I'm hard coding it to VCR1 which is the code for Beta VCRs. Mark Exstedt ordered the first unit which will go out in a few days, although he's getting a prototype unit at a discount, not the final version. The final version is going to be in really nice cases. Much better than my tape deck remote receivers (not that they look bad or anything). Here's a picture. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/ST-7_Remote.jpg Some of you may recognize it as a HP C4103A FIR receiver. I have about a dozen of these units that I'm going to gut to put in my board. If you're interested let me know. p9019 at yahoo.com Is there any interest in a wireless IR adapter to emulate the RM-100 for the 480 series decks? Scott J. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:33:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: Is the RM-100 able to control the RX 505? If not, was there ever a remote made to control the RX series...? The RM-100 is for the 480 series only. It's a 6 pin DIN. The RX-303 and RX-505 will work with the Dragon wired remote, which I believe is called the RM-15. Any of the DIN 8 pin remotes will operate the RX-303 and RX-505, but not the reverse function. The 8 pin DIN remotes most common are the RM-200, the RM-5 and the infrared RM-580. Alternately, you can buy a TA-2, TA-3 or TA-4 receiver off eBay and the remote will operate all the functions of the RX-303 and RX-505, including reverse, using a DIN 8 pin cable between the deck and the receiver. A Receiver 1, 2 or 3 will also do this I think, but you need an SRC-4 remote converter for the remote connection. The later receivers, like the AV and RE don't have a reverse function on their remotes. I spent a lot of money on eBay figuring this out. Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 02:09:23 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:09:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <486780.19046.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RM-100 is for the 480, 481 and 482 decks (both Z and non-Z versions). The wired remote for the RX-303 and RX-505 is the RM-15. The wired remote for the Dragon is the RM-20. They are basically the same remote except the lettering on the top two buttons is different and I believe their wiring is flipped (left button on the RM-15 does the same thing as the right button on the RM-20 and vice versa). I have picture linked from my Nak remote web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html You can use the RM-200 as well, but, without reverse button and you can use the RM-580 wireless remote, but, again without reverse button and it requires a special adapter cable and an external AC adapter. There is also my wireless remote that will work with the RX series and will control the reverse function as well. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html I can even add wireless remote functionality to the RX-202, which did not come with a remote jack on the back. Scott J. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:33:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: Is the RM-100 able to control the RX 505? If not, was there ever a remote made to control the RX series...? The RM-100 is for the 480 series only. It's a 6 pin DIN. The RX-303 and RX-505 will work with the Dragon wired remote, which I believe is called the RM-15. Any of the DIN 8 pin remotes will operate the RX-303 and RX-505, but not the reverse function. The 8 pin DIN remotes most common are the RM-200, the RM-5 and the infrared RM-580. Alternately, you can buy a TA-2, TA-3 or TA-4 receiver off eBay and the remote will operate all the functions of the RX-303 and RX-505, including reverse, using a DIN 8 pin cable between the deck and the receiver. A Receiver 1, 2 or 3 will also do this I think, but you need an SRC-4 remote converter for the remote connection. The later receivers, like the AV and RE don't have a reverse function on their remotes. I spent a lot of money on eBay figuring this out. Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Feb 16 02:55:00 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:55:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ST-7 remote In-Reply-To: <764078.87754.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, That is great news! I just received your CR/RX/Dragon remote that I ordered, it came earlier this week. I was playing round with the Pronto, trying to find the correct Sony codes for it and am very pleased to say that I managed to find one that works! Got the .ccf file off Ebay and now I have installed it in my Pronto. Tried out the functions on the RX-505 and am very pleased to say it works flawlessly! Oh, what bliss to be able to control my RX-505 from the comfort of my couch! I am even more pleased to hear that you've got the ST-7 remote working, I was thinking of ordering another of your CR/RX/Dragon remotes but now I'll wait till you get the ST-7 remote finished and order them together. The only thing I would like to request is, is it possible to use non-Betamax Sony codes for the ST-7 remote? I initially set your CR/RX?Dragon remote to accept Beta codes but could not manage to get the ones I got off remote central to work and it was only after I changed to using the Sony VHS codes that I got your CR/RX/Dragon remote to work. I know the request is a bit selfish but seeing I do not have any original Sony remotes and only use the Pronto, I am limited to whatever files remote central has uploaded :-( As for all my fellow Naktalk'ers, if anyone else is using a Philips Pronto or Marantz RC5000i universal remote and wants to use Scott's CR/RX/Dragon remote with it, I will be pleased to send you the .ccf file that contains the correct codes. My time to return the kindness that Naktalk'ers have shown me, especially to Ron who so kindly sent me his CR-7 .ccf file a few years ago when I was looking for one. Now I have remote control capability on both my CR-7 and RX-505 :-) ST-7 next! Kelvin. >From: Scott Johnson >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... (& ST-7 remote) >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) > >Speaking of remotes. Last night I finished coding up the IR remote >receiver for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner. Again it's controlled via any >Universal Remote programmed for Sony VCR. In this case I'm hard coding it >to VCR1 which is the code for Beta VCRs. Mark Exstedt ordered the first >unit which will go out in a few days, although he's getting a prototype >unit at a discount, not the final version. The final version is going to >be in really nice cases. Much better than my tape deck remote receivers >(not that they look bad or anything). Here's a picture. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/ST-7_Remote.jpg > Some of you may recognize it as a HP C4103A FIR receiver. I have about >a dozen of these units that I'm going to gut to put in my board. > > If you're interested let me know. p9019 at yahoo.com > > Is there any interest in a wireless IR adapter to emulate the RM-100 for >the 480 series decks? > > Scott J. > >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/15/2007 12:33:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >DM2 at marctronixx.com writes: > Is the RM-100 able to control the RX 505? If not, was there ever a >remote >made to control the RX series...? > > > > The RM-100 is for the 480 series only. It's a 6 pin DIN. > > The RX-303 and RX-505 will work with the Dragon wired remote, which I >believe is called the RM-15. Any of the DIN 8 pin remotes will operate the >RX-303 and RX-505, but not the reverse function. The 8 pin DIN remotes >most common are the RM-200, the RM-5 and the infrared RM-580. > > Alternately, you can buy a TA-2, TA-3 or TA-4 receiver off eBay and the >remote will operate all the functions of the RX-303 and RX-505, including >reverse, using a DIN 8 pin cable between the deck and the receiver. A >Receiver 1, 2 or 3 will also do this I think, but you need an SRC-4 remote >converter for the remote connection. The later receivers, like the AV and >RE don't have a reverse function on their remotes. > > I spent a lot of money on eBay figuring this out. > > Jeff >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Never Miss an Email >Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving � check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com From DM2 at marctronixx.com Fri Feb 16 02:57:14 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:57:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RM-100 remote... In-Reply-To: <486780.19046.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702160159.l1G1wTBb017392@zxe.naks.com> Scott, Not sure if your addressing this to me or just stating in general, but I DO have your custom remote for my 505. I was only asking what remote was made for the RX models. :-) Marc. There is also my wireless remote that will work with the RX series and will control the reverse function as well. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/IR_Remote.html I can even add wireless remote functionality to the RX-202, which did not come with a remote jack on the back. Scott J. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Fri Feb 16 02:58:21 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:58:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display References: <118370.28989.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <100a01c7516d$efd27220$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Apparently the ebay standard is "well, it was working when it left here, you must have done something to it." From now on I will try to buy local only, and insist on being able to pickup and pay on receipt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 05:00:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:00:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display In-Reply-To: <118370.28989.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <637739.72674.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, I got a $50 refund as requested so its ok. I tried looking inside to get to the display, but I am too novice of a tech to do that. I uess itll be off to the repair shop for that soon. Anyone know any good shop in New YorK?Long Island area? Thanks Ram Bob Naylor wrote: I can't believe them either! The last several months I've bought 5 Naks off of e-bay and I had to fix 3 of them! I bought a JVC CD player that I had to put in 3 hours of work to fix. They advertised all of these as good working units! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, I shall open her up tonight and check. The seller wants me to return it if I am not happy. I cant beleive people on ebay! Ill keep Naktak posted on this one. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: A friend had a similar problem and it turned out to be connections but which ones I do not know. There should be a harness going from the front of the deck (display) to the circuit board which is probably a plug in. Clean these terminals. Check for cold solder joints behind the display. Since the entire right side is out, there's something in common wrong. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Keep in touch. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Sorry, What connections should I check? Again, my problem is the right(or left) VU led incdicators do not function. the pilot light glows but no movement on the right channel ( bottom line) leds at all. left channel led works fine. deck records, plays ff and rew perfect. All other functions are perfect too. thanks for any help on this. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Probably connections. shanti ramachandran wrote: I am glad for you Dan. I have another kind of problem that I need help with. I acquired a very clean looking 680ZX which runs well. Only the left channel VU Fuorescent meter will not work. How is this fixed. Is it repairable? I calibrate using my zx9s source and equalize the left and right watching output on zx9 and adjusting the level screws on the 680zx to match left and right on zx9 to same level making sure the readable indicator oon the working channel light is in dead center. This machine produces clean recordings at half speed..... I am still in disbelief. Love this machine's bass capability. beats all Naks hands down! Down to 10 Hertz......wow! Please advice on the meter repair though. Thanks in advance to Tom, Bala Kannan etc.... who might want to shed some light on this and help me Ram dan moy wrote: After a long search and many bids I finally found a BX-300 at an excellent price. Thank you all for your advice. When I got the unit it would only play/ff/rwd for about one-two seconds and then stop. I left it powered up for about 15 minutes and it has been playing flawlessly since. All I have to say is WOW, never remembered tape sounding so good and am glad to have my 100+ tape collection back in play. I'm now listening to music I have not heard in about 10 years. Thank you all, Dan BTW any one have a manual they would not mind selling or coping? --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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When the tape loses contact if you hit pause or stop and restart contact is then made but will lose contact 10 seconds later. If I restrict movement of the supply reel contact is restored. I don't know what else to do so maybe I'll have to send it to someone that is more knowledgeable than I. Any ideas? If this is a job for the pros, any suggestions there? Tom? Now my second ZX7 has a spindle issue. The spring loaded spindle barely comes back up to engage the take up reel. I eject the tape and re-insert and it usually engages good enuff but should be better. Must be an adjustment for this? Thanks guys for your help! Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Feb 16 19:57:58 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:57:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display Message-ID: <3D36BECD-46AF-47AE-98AB-8A28B84A001A@alumni.caltech.edu> > Kimo Yap repaired his meter problem last year and reported it was an > orange cap. He did not list the location reference number in his post. > Any description from KBY would be helpful! > > > tom brucker It was toward the front of one of the two meter boards, but I'll have to look at the diagram later to see if I can remember which one. I found it by using the freeze spray, if I recall.-kby From moydan at excite.com Fri Feb 16 20:36:06 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:36:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Searchable Archive Message-ID: <20070216193606.5486A8B382@xprdmxin.myway.com> Hi All,Is there a searchable archive?Dan --- On Fri 02/16, Kimo B. Yap < kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu > wrote:From: Kimo B. Yap [mailto: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:57:58 -0800Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display> Kimo Yap repaired his meter problem last year and reported it was an> orange cap. He did not list the location reference number in his post.> Any description from KBY would be helpful!>>> tom bruckerIt was toward the front of one of the two meter boards, but I'll have to look at the diagramlater to see if I can remember which one. I found it by using the freeze spray, if I recall.-kby========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 16 22:34:16 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:34:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Message-ID: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. I talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 06:38:11 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:38:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 problems In-Reply-To: <30236.24023.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687022.11522.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, The first ZX7 certainly has a tension issue - any ideas on this one Bob? Best Regards Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: My problem with the ZX7 is back after I thought all was well. For some reason the tape loses contact with the heads but only from the beginning of a tape to about the middle. Toward the end it works fine. I have cleaned and lubed as someone here mentioned the other day. When the tape loses contact if you hit pause or stop and restart contact is then made but will lose contact 10 seconds later. If I restrict movement of the supply reel contact is restored. I don't know what else to do so maybe I'll have to send it to someone that is more knowledgeable than I. Any ideas? If this is a job for the pros, any suggestions there? Tom? Now my second ZX7 has a spindle issue. The spring loaded spindle barely comes back up to engage the take up reel. I eject the tape and re-insert and it usually engages good enuff but should be better. Must be an adjustment for this? Thanks guys for your help! Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Feb 17 07:05:26 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:05:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display Message-ID: Looking at the diagrams & schematics, the only orange caps where I fiddled are c901, c902, and c903 on Indicator PCB C with values of 4700pf, .01uf, and 330pf respectively, all 100v. I'm pretty sure it was 902 or 903 but can't recall for sure w/o looking and the machine isn't in a position to be easily disassembled at the moment.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 15:07:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <883403.19218.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well since the assembly is hard to get, you might as well change all three. Bala "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: Looking at the diagrams & schematics, the only orange caps where I fiddled are c901, c902, and c903 on Indicator PCB C with values of 4700pf, .01uf, and 330pf respectively, all 100v. I'm pretty sure it was 902 or 903 but can't recall for sure w/o looking and the machine isn't in a position to be easily disassembled at the moment.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 19:17:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:17:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display In-Reply-To: <883403.19218.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <330316.51325.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Bala et al, So now we( ans I) know that its the orange caps on 901,902 and 903 causing my 680z meter to not function. I have another problem. There was noticeable wow and flutter and tape speed progresively became unstable and finally ceqased. When I touch the idler it started back up again without an issue. However, its sporadic and shuts down at will only to be touched at the idler again and it starts back up. ...... however, the wow and flutter makes the tape recorder useless. Would this require a new motor? or would new belts and idlers do the job? Thanks and I am standing by. I loved the initial recordings this machine made at half speed. Kills most other decks in standard speeds. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Well since the assembly is hard to get, you might as well change all three. Bala "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: Looking at the diagrams & schematics, the only orange caps where I fiddled are c901, c902, and c903 on Indicator PCB C with values of 4700pf, .01uf, and 330pf respectively, all 100v. I'm pretty sure it was 902 or 903 but can't recall for sure w/o looking and the machine isn't in a position to be easily disassembled at the moment.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Feb 17 19:40:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:40:51 EST Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display Message-ID: I'd suspect a slack capstan belt. If you remove the casing and look inside, you will be able to assess the tension without difficulty. Access is good. 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URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Feb 18 02:22:02 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:22:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps Message-ID: <000501c752fb$32bca040$6701a8c0@main> I think I may start by changing the orange caps in my 682ZX. It is older, there are less of them and I will probably be sending it out for calibration anyway. I found the service manual to reference 100 V caps but all I can find are 250 to 500 V or 50 volt caps. I would guess the 100 V were those readily available to Nak in the size range(physical) they were after. The caps I can get are Panasonic 50 V polypropylene films ECQ-P (Z) series ( one application is for Dolby circuits so I would think these are adequate). Are these adequate? These were from Digikey. All have a lead spacing of half a cm which sounds about right. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Feb 18 04:06:30 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:06:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680Zx display Message-ID: Hold on; I'm just answering the question about what I replaced to fix my meter issue. Although the orange caps are a possibility, I'm not convinced they are for sure in your case. In particular, those capacitors all affect both channels, and I thought your problem was on only one channel. I can't remember the meter symptom I had, but I think it was both channels.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 04:46:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000501c752fb$32bca040$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <16409.13417.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, Its alright to go for higher voltage ratings. But not lower then what was used. The 250 Volts are also from Panasonic? Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bill Shenefelt wrote: I think I may start by changing the orange caps in my 682ZX. It is older, there are less of them and I will probably be sending it out for calibration anyway. I found the service manual to reference 100 V caps but all I can find are 250 to 500 V or 50 volt caps. I would guess the 100 V were those readily available to Nak in the size range(physical) they were after. The caps I can get are Panasonic 50 V polypropylene films ECQ-P (Z) series ( one application is for Dolby circuits so I would think these are adequate). Are these adequate? These were from Digikey. All have a lead spacing of half a cm which sounds about right. 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These were from Digikey. All have a lead spacing of half a cm which sounds about right. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 18 15:04:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:04:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000501c752fb$32bca040$6701a8c0@main> References: <000501c752fb$32bca040$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45D85D03.8050208@rcn.com> Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I think I may start by changing the orange caps in my 682ZX. It is > older, there are less of them and I will probably be sending it out for > calibration anyway. I found the service manual to reference 100 V caps > but all I can find are 250 to 500 V or 50 volt caps. I would guess the > 100 V were those readily available to Nak in the size range(physical) > they were after. The caps I can get are Panasonic 50 V polypropylene > films ECQ-P (Z) series ( one application is for Dolby circuits so I > would think these are adequate). Are these adequate? These were from > Digikey. All have a lead spacing of half a cm which sounds about right. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > 50V rating for caps in the Dolby and audio circuits is fine. This may, or may not, be true for the oscillator circuit; it depends on the design (that I haven't looked at for quite a while). -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 18 15:09:17 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:09:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <16409.13417.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <16409.13417.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D85E0D.9010708@rcn.com> I hate to argue with such as expert, but "But not lower then what was used"? Why??? The supply voltage is 12V, so, this is the highest the cap will ever see (except for inductive circuits). A 50V rating is more than enough, regardless of what was originally used. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Its alright to go for higher voltage ratings. But not lower then > what was used. The 250 Volts are also from Panasonic? > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > */Bill Shenefelt /* wrote: > > I think I may start by changing the orange caps in my 682ZX. It is > older, there are less of them and I will probably be sending it out > for calibration anyway. I found the service manual to reference 100 > V caps but all I can find are 250 to 500 V or 50 volt caps. I would > guess the 100 V were those readily available to Nak in the size > range(physical) they were after. The caps I can get are Panasonic > 50 V polypropylene films ECQ-P (Z) series ( one application is for > Dolby circuits so I would think these are adequate). Are these > adequate? These were from Digikey. All have a lead spacing of half > a cm which sounds about right. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sun Feb 18 17:07:20 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:07:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070212092054.0085b160@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070212092054.0085b160@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <915E741B-180E-4F5D-9760-D48B3192F5B7@thegreatbear.net> thanks for the sticky pivot tip tom i had a go with the left pivot on my 582 with no luck so far. i could even slightly push the pivot back as described. The other pivot which moves freely also pushed back but the stuck one seems really stuck. i tried dropping some wd40 around the adjust screw and washer anyway but it hasn't worked yet.. i'll keep trying and maybe get a needle syringe.. thanks adrian On 12 Feb 2007, at 15:20, Hi Tech wrote: > A tip on the sticky pivots: Do not remove the pinch/guide unit, > as you > will riun the deck's alignment. Spray a bit of WD 40 into a small > cup and > pick up a drop with an eyedropper. Pushing the pinch arm against > the coil > spring towards the deck plate, open a smal 0.5mm gap between the > arm and > the adjust screw and washer. Drop in the WD 40. Allow the deck to > face up > (remove the RCA jacks and rest it on a pillow) for an hour, and > repeat the > process as needed. WD40 has solvents and capillary penetrants that > will > eventually break up the gunk. Do try to keep the WD40 off the pinch > rubber. > WD40 in a needle syringe would work better. > > tom brucker > > At 09:48 AM 2/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >> i'd agree with ben's reply but you are very likely to come across >> these problems: >> >> orange capacitors failing >> >> capstan roller pivot, one or both being 'gummed' up with old grease >> and not moving up to engage with the capstans in play and record. >> >> I own a 680, 682ZX, 582 and 480... all of these have the 'classic' >> transports as they're often called. The 680 and 582 both have sticky >> pivots. The 582 i've just about managed to free off with IPA and >> patience. With the 680 we had to take to pivot off as it was so >> stuck. It almost seemed as if it had corroded or the metals had >> reacted together. It seems to work fine now but when you mess with >> these they need to be setup using the Nakamichi gauges that few have. >> >> With all four of the above decks there are several record / >> calibration problems which I think all stem from the 'orange cap' >> disease. The 680 and 480 play but do not record. The 582 records but >> has problems getting the record levels setup correctly. The 682 ZX >> has more record / bias oscillator problems that I haven't got around >> to yet.. >> >> I just need to replace all these orange caps in the machines then >> setup them up correctly and they should be fine, but that takes time, >> isn't expensive if you DIY but would cost at least as much as you're >> thinking of paying if not more to have a good engineer do. >> >> >> hope this helps >> >> adrian >> >> On 11 Feb 2007, at 22:30, Douglas Shearer wrote: >> >>> Hi, I have an opportunity to buy a Nakamichi 680ZX for $US 140.00. >>> Have to trust the seller’s description that it is in very good >>> condition. I’m new to Nakamichi tape decks and was wondering 1) if >>> this a fair price? And 2) In general how are the second-hand >>> 680ZX’s? Thanks, Doug >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Mon Feb 19 17:02:52 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:02:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps Message-ID: <000e01c7543f$69cddb40$6701a8c0@main> Maybe I'm reading the service manual wrong but I took an inventory of Dragon caps identified as CP. I did not include CF marked caps. Are they films but not polypropylene films? Maybe they are films but also polypropylene films if there are 50 to 60 such caps as mentioned in the thread? The inventory of CP caps I took is listed below. There are 33 such caps in the manual. I did not want to just start tearing things apart before I had any parts on hand. I would rather work board by board and order parts only once. I can't guarantee I missed none but do not think I missed any. Dragon service manual Caps marked as CP Main PC Board playback EQ Amp c502,505,602,605,702,704 .01u 6 record EQ Amp c517,517 2200p 2 c518,618 330p 2 Bios Osc c311 .022u 1 line input c167,267 470p 1 line amp none Encoder c103,203 1800p 2 c108,208 .033u 2 c112,212 4700p 2 c126,226 820p 2 Decoder c134,234 .033u 2 c139,239 4700p 2 c154,254 3000p 2 Auto Azimuth pc board c723 360p 1 c724 .018u 1 c731 330p 1 c823,828 5600p 2 c859,860 .015u 2 33 total Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From truckie13469 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 19 17:15:54 2007 From: truckie13469 at hotmail.com (Tyler Birch) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:15:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] e-mail Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 19 18:10:48 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 In-Reply-To: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D9DA18.6040701@snet.net> I would add that your problems may stem essentially from a stretched belt. If the capstan loop is not maintaining tension, you'll get exactly the results you're describing. When you restart it holds for a few seconds until the tension falls off again. Given the vintage of the deck, it would make sense if it hasn't been replaced. Ed Bob Naylor wrote: > Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's > going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop > called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. > I talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Feb 19 18:23:48 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:23:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon orange caps In-Reply-To: <000e01c7543f$69cddb40$6701a8c0@main> References: <000e01c7543f$69cddb40$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45D9DD24.2070703@peromarta.org> Look for pp caps. Other suggestion, (my preferred choice) is that you look for the phisical caps, and write down the values. Sometimes they are not the same as in the SM, as their value may have been changed in later revisions. rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt escribió: > Maybe I'm reading the service manual wrong but I took an inventory of > Dragon caps identified as CP. I did not include CF marked caps. Are > they films but not polypropylene films? Maybe they are films but also > polypropylene films if there are 50 to 60 such caps as mentioned in the > thread? The inventory of CP caps I took is listed below. There are 33 > such caps in the manual. I did not want to just start tearing things > apart before I had any parts on hand. I would rather work board by > board and order parts only once. I can't guarantee I missed none but do > not think I missed any. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com From luis at peromarta.org Mon Feb 19 18:26:57 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:26:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 In-Reply-To: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D9DDE1.3000609@peromarta.org> If I were you, I'd send the deck to someone with broader experience than just being "familiar with". There's people on this list who master these machines, and has all sorts of gauges and calibration gear to make your ZX7 as good as new. I'd surely try Tom Bruker. Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's > going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop > called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. I > talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Feb 19 21:40:42 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:40:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [naktalk] muting problems with CR7 In-Reply-To: <45D9DDE1.3000609@peromarta.org> References: <519504.61342.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45D9DDE1.3000609@peromarta.org> Message-ID: I am having a problem with a loud pop when I switch from soure to tape and visa-versa. When I hit play and switch back in forth, the pop is gone. Any ideas what is happening? I suspect the source mutting circuit. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 19 21:39:03 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:39:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 problems In-Reply-To: <30236.24023.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070219143903.0085ae00@earthlink.net> There are several possible reasons why the tape curls away from the head. A capstan belt can cause problems in dual capstan decks, but the condition of the pinch rollers is the #1 thing to determine. Take up and hold back tension, guide alignment, and gummy pinch roller pivots or sticky bearings can all cause this same problem. The spindle problem could be blamed on a tape with a lot of hub friction from poor tape travel....a worn out cassette in other words. Each reel table has a weak spring to pop the spindles "fin reel" into the cassette hub. It has just enough force to turn the hub during loading. As soon as the cassette holder closes the reel motor takes up slack. This process also seat the spindle hub, so there is no need to check it when you load a tape. The only flaw I could imagine is excessive reel table friction caused by a stuck brake or sticky back tension adjuster. tom brucker 08:17 AM 2/16/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> My problem with the ZX7 is back after I thought all was well. For some reason the tape loses contact with the heads but only from the beginning of a tape to about the middle. Toward the end it works fine. I have cleaned and lubed as someone here mentioned the other day. When the tape loses contact if you hit pause or stop and restart contact is then made but will lose contact 10 seconds later. If I restrict movement of the supply reel contact is restored. I don't know what else to do so maybe I'll have to send it to someone that is more knowledgeable than I. Any ideas? If this is a job for the pros, any suggestions there? Tom? Now my second ZX7 has a spindle issue. The spring loaded spindle barely comes back up to engage the take up reel. I eject the tape and re-insert and it usually engages good enuff but should be better. Must be an adjustment for this? Thanks guys for your help! Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Mon Feb 19 23:08:36 2007 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:08:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: An audiophile with hearing problems? In-Reply-To: <200702130231.l1D2V0E9028554@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies! I missed them until now - I got really busy at work, then had the flu. An update on the new hearing aids: I visited the audiologist for some tweaks. I didn't know it was available at first, but my Phonak CIC Extras (Completely In the Canal) have a "music" mode available. As I said earlier, these aids have three selectable modes by way of a simple push switch. The first mode is "Sound Manager" mode, which decides if the environment is noisy and switches volume and frequency response for best speech intelligibility. The second mode is programmed to give me a flat response. I had her program the third mode in "music mode", along with about a 10 dB cut in volume. Turns out the wife needed the TV louder than me after I got the hearing aids! Anyway, the changes seem to have eliminated most of the gripes I had about listening to music with the hearing aids. Most of the distortion and "after ring" is gone. I am not hearing much of the digital chopping I heard before. As to tinnitus, I have it too, predominantly in the left ear. As was suggested by a friend, after getting the hearing aids, the overall increase in volume of all environmental sounds tends to drown out the ringing. I didn't realize what a loud place the world was until I got my hearing back! As to cochlear implants, a popular talk radio commentator was talking about his experiences. He said that the implant is only sensitive to 8 frequencies, so hearing new music is no longer a pleasurable experience. He cannot tell whether new music is good or bad, or catchy or not. When he listens to familiar songs though, his brain fills in the missing information as if it's not missing at all. Weird, huh? I still intend to pursue adding an equalizer to my system. I'd sure like to have some advice on what brands to look for. Anyone have any advice? Gary From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 19 23:33:13 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:33:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: An audiophile with hearing problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DA25A9.7030704@rcn.com> gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > Thanks for all the replies! I missed them until now - I got really busy at > work, then had the flu. > > An update on the new hearing aids: > I visited the audiologist for some tweaks. I didn't know it was available > at first, but my Phonak CIC Extras (Completely In the Canal) have a > "music" mode available. As I said earlier, these aids have three > selectable modes by way of a simple push switch. The first mode is "Sound > Manager" mode, which decides if the environment is noisy and switches > volume and frequency response for best speech intelligibility. The second > mode is programmed to give me a flat response. I had her program the third > mode in "music mode", along with about a 10 dB cut in volume. Turns out > the wife needed the TV louder than me after I got the hearing aids! > Anyway, the changes seem to have eliminated most of the gripes I had about > listening to music with the hearing aids. Most of the distortion and > "after ring" is gone. I am not hearing much of the digital chopping I > heard before. > > As to tinnitus, I have it too, predominantly in the left ear. As was > suggested by a friend, after getting the hearing aids, the overall > increase in volume of all environmental sounds tends to drown out the > ringing. I didn't realize what a loud place the world was until I got my > hearing back! > > As to cochlear implants, a popular talk radio commentator was talking > about his experiences. He said that the implant is only sensitive to 8 > frequencies, so hearing new music is no longer a pleasurable experience. > He cannot tell whether new music is good or bad, or catchy or not. When he > listens to familiar songs though, his brain fills in the missing > information as if it's not missing at all. > Weird, huh? > > I still intend to pursue adding an equalizer to my system. I'd sure like > to have some advice on what brands to look for. > Anyone have any advice? Rane makes a line of professional equalizers. You may wish to audition one of their 1/3 octave models. -- Ron > > Gary From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Feb 20 00:32:04 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:32:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: <66659520-B3C5-4E05-B8DD-92193716A50D@alumni.caltech.edu> This auction looks interesting, but I'm not on the approved list of "ship to" countries. It's a T-100, some kind of console to go with it (did this come up recently?), and most interestingly what looks like some original alignment tapes (including the elusive track alignment tape. Maybe someone in the Germany/Austria/Switzerland area is interested?-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 20 00:32:07 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:32:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070219173207.00850510@earthlink.net> Opinions are a dime a dozen. if you can live without beauty and do not need real time record monitoring, the 581 is a fine machine. Both it and the 481, 681 shared the money saving trick of using 2 Dolby ICs rather than 4 matched ICs in the 482,582,680, and 682. Nakamichis were always VERY expensive, and I think these decks were $150 less than the "fully equipped" decks. The 580 series had one quirk. The record balance knob always is set a bit to the left, say at 11:30, not 12:00, for equal record levels. tom brucker At 01:44 PM 2/15/07 -0500, Douglas Shearer wrote: >>>> Hi, can I get an opinion on a used Nakamichi 581? Thanks, Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Tue Feb 20 08:40:16 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:40:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <66659520-B3C5-4E05-B8DD-92193716A50D@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <66659520-B3C5-4E05-B8DD-92193716A50D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <45DAA5E0.1060704@bluewin.ch> Hello Kimo I' m resident in Switzerland and would like to have details from you about the auction to look for. Best regards Franz A. Riedlinger Kimo B.Yap schrieb: > This auction looks interesting, but I'm not on the approved list of > "ship to" countries. It's a T-100, some > kind of console to go with it (did this come up recently?), and most > interestingly what looks like > some original alignment tapes (including the elusive track alignment > tape. Maybe someone in > the Germany/Austria/Switzerland area is interested?-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Feb 20 09:54:54 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:54:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: > I' m resident in Switzerland and would like to have details from you > about the auction to look for. > Best regards > Franz A. Riedlinger Mea culpa. I meant to paste the URL in the posting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 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I > talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 20 16:31:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:31:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 In-Reply-To: <20070220135127.40377.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45D9DDE1.3000609@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070220093115.0085a990@earthlink.net> Always here to help. I do have a backlog, though. ESL can also repair to a higher standard than I can. You might look carefully look at your pinch rollers. If they are shiny, or have obvious bands the width of a cassette tape, then ESL would be the place to go. tom brucker At 05:51 AM 2/20/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Tom, Are you interested in this repair if they can't get it right? Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: If I were you, I'd send the deck to someone with broader experience than just being "familiar with". There's people on this list who master these machines, and has all sorts of gauges and calibration gear to make your ZX7 as good as new. I'd surely try Tom Bruker. Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's > going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop > called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. I > talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 20 17:21:11 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:21:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070220093115.0085a990@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <746024.60114.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I left a msg with your secretary last Friday but I guess you never got it. This ZX7 has not had a lot of use and the pinch rollers look great. I see no pattern on them. Hopefully the guys that have it now can get it taken care of. Who is ESL? Thanks Tom. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Always here to help. I do have a backlog, though. ESL can also repair to a higher standard than I can. You might look carefully look at your pinch rollers. If they are shiny, or have obvious bands the width of a cassette tape, then ESL would be the place to go. tom brucker At 05:51 AM 2/20/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Tom, Are you interested in this repair if they can't get it right? Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: If I were you, I'd send the deck to someone with broader experience than just being "familiar with". There's people on this list who master these machines, and has all sorts of gauges and calibration gear to make your ZX7 as good as new. I'd surely try Tom Bruker. Best rgds, LP. Bob Naylor escribió: > Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's > going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop > called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. I > talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top > dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. > Bob -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 17:21:49 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <000501c754ef$b2807b30$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was unfortunate enough to witness - how the new Nakamichi management responded to owner's request for parts and gauges (four year back when Nakamichi infact was making these gauges at a Malasian subcontractor). Nakamichi' current management is not interested in the original Cassette Deck legacy. Infact they have been changing the page on Nakamichi history to show them differently from what they were. It is sad how business does not care about their own strengths and achievements. Nakamichi may not even answer a request of this nature. When nakamichi cannot even supply capstan belts for their great product which is working after 20 years, they have nothing to say about simple maintanence tools being replicated. Nakamichi three head system is different from all other three heads - Others use sandwitch rec/play head while Nakamichi uses discrete heads. These heads also float with respect to the mounting. This creates the problem of alignment. Once correctly aligned, nakamichi can produce wonderful sound. The screws holding this alignment is plastic and bit not very rigid causing change in alignment over time. These gauges and tapes are a necessity to keep these machines working. Do whatever is necessary to get the minimal tools for the user. If nakamichi had forgotten to help its owners, they can atleast keep looking at the other side to this duplication work to get the machines running. kannan Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have been watching the deal on gages thread and did no notice if anyone tried or suggested to try asking Nakamichi if they would sell or provide design blue prints. Sure would be easier to fabricate using design drawings than to try to create them from measuring the hardware. Since they no longer manufacture the actual units for sale, maybe they would sell rights to use the design for limited reproduction of hardware. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 20 17:26:39 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:26:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 In-Reply-To: <45D9DA18.6040701@snet.net> Message-ID: <740011.76856.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, I picked up the deck yesterday and they had replaced the belt, cleaned and lubed. They also said they found a bad (whatever bad means) solder connection on the main PCB. They said tested OK. I brought it home, installed a Maxell XL2 and within ten seconds it did the same thing so I took it back. Since yesterday was a holiday the tech that worked on it was not there so I could not talk to him. We'll see what happens. I know it's not a tape problem since it happens with different tapes and these same tapes work fine on my other ZX7 along with other Naks. Thanks for the suggestions. Bob Edward Noyes wrote: I would add that your problems may stem essentially from a stretched belt. If the capstan loop is not maintaining tension, you'll get exactly the results you're describing. When you restart it holds for a few seconds until the tension falls off again. Given the vintage of the deck, it would make sense if it hasn't been replaced. Ed Bob Naylor wrote: Well I'm throwing in the towel on the ZX7. Tonight after work it's going to the shop. Here in Sacramento, CA there's a stereo store/shop called "Paradyme audio" which deals in a lot of high end electronics. I talked to the tech and he's familiar with the ZX7. Since I paid top dollar for this deck I just can't let it sit. Bob --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 20 17:56:17 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319226.91435.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A local repair tech told me this; After Nakamichi sold the name, which is all they sold, their product went down hill. they carried Nakamichi auto decks and withn a couple weeks they all came back defective so they had to stop selling them. One year Lexus (Toyota) used a nakamichi in their cars and they had lots of problems also. Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I was unfortunate enough to witness - how the new Nakamichi management responded to owner's request for parts and gauges (four year back when Nakamichi infact was making these gauges at a Malasian subcontractor). Nakamichi' current management is not interested in the original Cassette Deck legacy. Infact they have been changing the page on Nakamichi history to show them differently from what they were. It is sad how business does not care about their own strengths and achievements. Nakamichi may not even answer a request of this nature. When nakamichi cannot even supply capstan belts for their great product which is working after 20 years, they have nothing to say about simple maintanence tools being replicated. Nakamichi three head system is different from all other three heads - Others use sandwitch rec/play head while Nakamichi uses discrete heads. These heads also float with respect to the mounting. This creates the problem of alignment. Once correctly aligned, nakamichi can produce wonderful sound. The screws holding this alignment is plastic and bit not very rigid causing change in alignment over time. These gauges and tapes are a necessity to keep these machines working. Do whatever is necessary to get the minimal tools for the user. If nakamichi had forgotten to help its owners, they can atleast keep looking at the other side to this duplication work to get the machines running. kannan Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have been watching the deal on gages thread and did no notice if anyone tried or suggested to try asking Nakamichi if they would sell or provide design blue prints. Sure would be easier to fabricate using design drawings than to try to create them from measuring the hardware. Since they no longer manufacture the actual units for sale, maybe they would sell rights to use the design for limited reproduction of hardware. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Feb 20 18:04:48 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:04:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/20/2007 8:33:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: Tom, I left a msg with your secretary last Friday but I guess you never got it. This ZX7 has not had a lot of use and the pinch rollers look great. I see no pattern on them. Hopefully the guys that have it now can get it taken care of. Who is ESL? Thanks Tom. Bob Just for your information, I sent my own ZX-7 to Electronic Service Labs in January of 2006 for a complete rebuild, which is supposed to bump the deck up from the repair group to the "Priority Queue" whatever that means. I didn't get it back until last week, 54 weeks after they received it and I paid $1535 for the job. At 10 and 11 months of waiting, I sent them emails inquiring about the progress of the "Priority Queue" and they completely ignored my emails, in the grand Nakamichi tradition. You'd think for $1500 they'd answer your inquiry, but no. The finished ZX-7 sounds great, I guess you get what you pay for, but the customer service aspect of ESL is really, really bad. If you want just a repair job without the full rebuild, you'll wait forever to get it back. And with the rebuild, you'll wait more than a year. Jeff


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Four years ago, in 2003, Nakamichi held an exhibition here in Singapor,e in which a number of cassette decks were showcased, including the 1000ZXL Ltd. Ted Nakamichi was here and they had a good turnout. But the crowd's response showed that many people associate Nakamichi with tapes and really good audio engineering. To change that perception is not going to be easy - expecially when its being run by corporates. On the technical side, there were many good people who, over the years, took the time to talk and share their experiences and knowledge with me about the various machines. And they have directed me to even more people who share the same passion as us. Today, a number of them are gone. But their words, and the beautiful music haunts me everyday that what I have accumulated are not machines, but a legacy. Let us do whatever we can to bring those jigs to fruition and preserve this legacy. Thank You Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: A local repair tech told me this; After Nakamichi sold the name, which is all they sold, their product went down hill. they carried Nakamichi auto decks and withn a couple weeks they all came back defective so they had to stop selling them. One year Lexus (Toyota) used a nakamichi in their cars and they had lots of problems also. Bob --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 21:56:00 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <666916.2475.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87083.65775.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I couldnt have said it better myself even if i wanted to. We sure are creating a legacy... my oldest son Ashwin, now 18 years, is now convinced that Cassette decks and reels sound much better than CDs esp played on ordinary players. Lets keep this one up and make Nakamichi Inc. develop parts or share specs that we could go to another manufacturer and replicate! With people like you Kanna, Tom et al we should not have much problems getting this consensus up and sounding loud. HEY NAKAMICHI DO YOU HEAR US?/????? Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: This is the same fiasco that dogged the DR10 and eventually Nakamichi dumped teheir decks for very low prices. However, now that they are trying to get into the up-market lifestyle industry, they need some kind of base. Their competitors, have a legacy and I think Nak is looking back at its own. Four years ago, in 2003, Nakamichi held an exhibition here in Singapor,e in which a number of cassette decks were showcased, including the 1000ZXL Ltd. Ted Nakamichi was here and they had a good turnout. But the crowd's response showed that many people associate Nakamichi with tapes and really good audio engineering. To change that perception is not going to be easy - expecially when its being run by corporates. On the technical side, there were many good people who, over the years, took the time to talk and share their experiences and knowledge with me about the various machines. And they have directed me to even more people who share the same passion as us. Today, a number of them are gone. But their words, and the beautiful music haunts me everyday that what I have accumulated are not machines, but a legacy. Let us do whatever we can to bring those jigs to fruition and preserve this legacy. Thank You Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: A local repair tech told me this; After Nakamichi sold the name, which is all they sold, their product went down hill. they carried Nakamichi auto decks and withn a couple weeks they all came back defective so they had to stop selling them. One year Lexus (Toyota) used a nakamichi in their cars and they had lots of problems also. Bob --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Feb 20 22:07:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:07:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. Message-ID: In a message dated 2/20/2007 1:06:11 P.M. 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Will collect Thursday. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 22:34:09 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:34:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <7ED21C15-5A78-4218-9F03-99C7E60B7D4E@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <878616.20093.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the person won this item even knows this list, I am sure he would soon have a posting on problems with this machine! I do not know what happened to the earlier posting on one 1000 ZXL with problem ? Kannan "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi.. did anyone on this list win the 1000ZXL sold this afternoon on eBay UK? The seller sounded genuine for once,, it sold for slightly over £500 GBP I think. Maybe we'll have a new member soon! adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Feb 20 23:06:08 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:06:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well done! when it shot over £500 i gave up! i live in bristol and am often up in the stroud area. good luck with your new nak, I hope it works OK.. the seller told me: "Last time I used it was AOK Must use a good metal formulation. Very hi levels are enabled on tape Very quiet recordings result. Dual capstan excellent W&F. 3 mic inputs + stereo line. Roger" regards adrian On 20 Feb 2007, at 21:27, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > I was the lucky one I hope! Will collect Thursday. > Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Feb 20 23:33:47 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:33:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL Message-ID: Thanks Adrian, My family live 3 miles from the seller! Will post an update once it has been appraised. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They completely re-built my ZX-7 (for about the same amount), did some mods, replaced orange caps, etc. I got it back in just a couple of months. They were always polite and responsive, going so far as to email me after shipping it back to make sure I was happy. The machine runs flawlessly and sounds amazing. They definitely are not cheap, but I would recommend them, and their service, with no hesitation. best, Fred On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:35 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/20/2007 8:33:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: > Tom, > I left a msg with your secretary last Friday but I guess you never > got it. This ZX7 has not had a lot of use and the pinch rollers > look great. I see no pattern on them. Hopefully the guys that > have it now can get it taken care of. Who is ESL? > Thanks Tom. > Bob > Just for your information, I sent my own ZX-7 to Electronic Service > Labs in January of 2006 for a complete rebuild, which is supposed > to bump the deck up from the repair group to the "Priority Queue" > whatever that means. I didn't get it back until last week, 54 > weeks after they received it and I paid $1535 for the job. At 10 > and 11 months of waiting, I sent them emails inquiring about the > progress of the "Priority Queue" and they completely ignored my > emails, in the grand Nakamichi tradition. You'd think for $1500 > they'd answer your inquiry, but no. The finished ZX-7 sounds great, > I guess you get what you pay for, but the customer service aspect > of ESL is really, really bad. If you want just a repair job > without the full rebuild, you'll wait forever to get it back. And > with the rebuild, you'll wait more than a year. > Jeff > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 00:04:43 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:04:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <9928DCC5-3091-4BC5-9E61-757356BEBA32@mac.com> Message-ID: <598856.63520.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, There's no way I would spend a grand on getting fixed! Just wouldn't be worth it to me. Now $300 or $400 I could live with. However I just want the transport fixed which I could not figure out what's up with it. Bob Fred Lifton wrote: FWIW, my experience with ESL was completely different. They completely re-built my ZX-7 (for about the same amount), did some mods, replaced orange caps, etc. I got it back in just a couple of months. They were always polite and responsive, going so far as to email me after shipping it back to make sure I was happy. The machine runs flawlessly and sounds amazing. They definitely are not cheap, but I would recommend them, and their service, with no hesitation. best, Fred On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:35 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: In a message dated 2/20/2007 8:33:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: Tom, I left a msg with your secretary last Friday but I guess you never got it. This ZX7 has not had a lot of use and the pinch rollers look great. I see no pattern on them. Hopefully the guys that have it now can get it taken care of. Who is ESL? Thanks Tom. Bob Just for your information, I sent my own ZX-7 to Electronic Service Labs in January of 2006 for a complete rebuild, which is supposed to bump the deck up from the repair group to the "Priority Queue" whatever that means. I didn't get it back until last week, 54 weeks after they received it and I paid $1535 for the job. At 10 and 11 months of waiting, I sent them emails inquiring about the progress of the "Priority Queue" and they completely ignored my emails, in the grand Nakamichi tradition. You'd think for $1500 they'd answer your inquiry, but no. The finished ZX-7 sounds great, I guess you get what you pay for, but the customer service aspect of ESL is really, really bad. If you want just a repair job without the full rebuild, you'll wait forever to get it back. And with the rebuild, you'll wait more than a year. Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 00:14:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <87083.65775.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <539042.4937.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, I have had lots of people who have heard cassettes and I've simply let the sound do the talking! While cassettes and reel 2 reel is never going to be mainstream, it has to have its niche. And we have to ensure that a tools and resources are well available so that people like your son, and mine will have what they need to keep the spirit alive for the next lap. Are we all going through all these expense and trouble to let these things die off with us or what? Best Regards Bala Ganesh shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, I couldnt have said it better myself even if i wanted to. We sure are creating a legacy... my oldest son Ashwin, now 18 years, is now convinced that Cassette decks and reels sound much better than CDs esp played on ordinary players. Lets keep this one up and make Nakamichi Inc. develop parts or share specs that we could go to another manufacturer and replicate! With people like you Kanna, Tom et al we should not have much problems getting this consensus up and sounding loud. HEY NAKAMICHI DO YOU HEAR US?/????? Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: This is the same fiasco that dogged the DR10 and eventually Nakamichi dumped teheir decks for very low prices. However, now that they are trying to get into the up-market lifestyle industry, they need some kind of base. Their competitors, have a legacy and I think Nak is looking back at its own. Four years ago, in 2003, Nakamichi held an exhibition here in Singapor,e in which a number of cassette decks were showcased, including the 1000ZXL Ltd. Ted Nakamichi was here and they had a good turnout. But the crowd's response showed that many people associate Nakamichi with tapes and really good audio engineering. To change that perception is not going to be easy - expecially when its being run by corporates. On the technical side, there were many good people who, over the years, took the time to talk and share their experiences and knowledge with me about the various machines. And they have directed me to even more people who share the same passion as us. Today, a number of them are gone. But their words, and the beautiful music haunts me everyday that what I have accumulated are not machines, but a legacy. Let us do whatever we can to bring those jigs to fruition and preserve this legacy. Thank You Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: A local repair tech told me this; After Nakamichi sold the name, which is all they sold, their product went down hill. they carried Nakamichi auto decks and withn a couple weeks they all came back defective so they had to stop selling them. One year Lexus (Toyota) used a nakamichi in their cars and they had lots of problems also. Bob --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 00:25:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:25:49 EST Subject: [naktalk] ESL Message-ID: In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:04:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: FWIW, my experience with ESL was completely different. They completely re-built my ZX-7 (for about the same amount), did some mods, replaced orange caps, etc. I got it back in just a couple of months. They were always polite and responsive, going so far as to email me after shipping it back to make sure I was happy. The machine runs flawlessly and sounds amazing. They definitely are not cheap, but I would recommend them, and their service, with no hesitation. best, Fred Hi Fred, I'm curious, when was that? I'm happy with the ZX-7 itself. It sounds great. As far as I can tell, they did a great job. I also had them rebuild a BX-300 which arrived via UPS about an hour ago after more than a year. It was a deck I bought on eBay and I don't know the history of it. When they took so long with the ZX-7 I upgraded the work order from a repair to a rebuild and they did it right away. It cost $873. I paid them $1535 for the ZX-7. So for $2400 they wouldn't even answer my emails after 10 months of having the decks. When I first contacted them in the first week of January of 2006, they told me it would be 6-8 months "if the deck needed diagnosis." When I emailed them 2 times after 10 plus months, they ignored the emails. I'm just stating the facts. I'm reserving any judgement about them, but people who are thinking of dealing with them should know how they have treated customers, and how long it really takes. Jeff


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I have an Apt Holman preamp and they were wonderful with any support I ever needed, even modifications of the design I did per some audio magazines. I also have a PS audio moving coil preamp. Same support. Both companies put me thru to the actual designer when I called. Also have a McIntosh 35W/channel tube amp from the early 1960's. They still carry parts including the tubes! I needed to build a portable three microphone preamp and found a design drawing in Walt Jung's Op Amp Applications. It suggested using transformers made by Jensen. I called the company to find who might be a retailer of the microphone transformers. They said "we can sell them to you directly" Would not take a charge card, just shipped them to me and billed me!. They then transferred my call to the design engineer. When I told the gentleman (yea there are still some real gentlemen in good companies) what I was trying to do, he asked me what revision of the Op Amp book I was getting the circuit diagram from and then told me it was a lousy revision and had a lot of errors. He then asked exactly what I was trying to make, what my microphones were, what I was recording and then drew me on sketch pad a circuit that would fit the bill and sent it in the mail to me. I bought the transformers and a few of the components from them and it is the best sounding microphone preamp I ever heard! Now, talk about customer support !! Today we seem to live in a throw away world of electronics. Don't fix it, trash it and buy a newer, better more modern, more marketed piece of junk ! Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Feb 21 00:54:49 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:54:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <007f01c75548$c1add630$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <627198.4450.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the tape transport system, an overhaul seems to be a better investment for long term other than just repair the broken parts. For electronic section, replacement of broken part(s) should be good enough unless the customer insists on replacement of all old parts. Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that sometimes a part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed until the deck is reassembled. This means tear it down again. I'm sure this impacts not only cost due to extra time in work but also is a reason for delays in cue with total rebuilds getting priority. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 01:54:57 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:54:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] We have a deal on gauges. In-Reply-To: <539042.4937.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <593261.89587.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I hope not. I am a novice at this collection of cassettes but I am definitely propagating a following after I am gone, for sure. So are we all Nakkers. I've accumulated over 9 decks and the only one that has eluded me is the 1000zxl( I bought one lemon last month and returned it immediately fr a full refund-as nothing on it worked). Yes let the sound talk! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ram, I have had lots of people who have heard cassettes and I've simply let the sound do the talking! While cassettes and reel 2 reel is never going to be mainstream, it has to have its niche. And we have to ensure that a tools and resources are well available so that people like your son, and mine will have what they need to keep the spirit alive for the next lap. Are we all going through all these expense and trouble to let these things die off with us or what? Best Regards Bala Ganesh shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, I couldnt have said it better myself even if i wanted to. We sure are creating a legacy... my oldest son Ashwin, now 18 years, is now convinced that Cassette decks and reels sound much better than CDs esp played on ordinary players. Lets keep this one up and make Nakamichi Inc. develop parts or share specs that we could go to another manufacturer and replicate! With people like you Kanna, Tom et al we should not have much problems getting this consensus up and sounding loud. HEY NAKAMICHI DO YOU HEAR US?/????? Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: This is the same fiasco that dogged the DR10 and eventually Nakamichi dumped teheir decks for very low prices. However, now that they are trying to get into the up-market lifestyle industry, they need some kind of base. Their competitors, have a legacy and I think Nak is looking back at its own. Four years ago, in 2003, Nakamichi held an exhibition here in Singapor,e in which a number of cassette decks were showcased, including the 1000ZXL Ltd. Ted Nakamichi was here and they had a good turnout. But the crowd's response showed that many people associate Nakamichi with tapes and really good audio engineering. To change that perception is not going to be easy - expecially when its being run by corporates. On the technical side, there were many good people who, over the years, took the time to talk and share their experiences and knowledge with me about the various machines. And they have directed me to even more people who share the same passion as us. Today, a number of them are gone. But their words, and the beautiful music haunts me everyday that what I have accumulated are not machines, but a legacy. Let us do whatever we can to bring those jigs to fruition and preserve this legacy. Thank You Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: A local repair tech told me this; After Nakamichi sold the name, which is all they sold, their product went down hill. they carried Nakamichi auto decks and withn a couple weeks they all came back defective so they had to stop selling them. One year Lexus (Toyota) used a nakamichi in their cars and they had lots of problems also. Bob --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: It is sad when a company does act like this. I had a similar problem with a beautiful VCR made by Mitsubishi. Was a $2000 + machine. Digital and stored preview screens from the tape which linked to the tape location. Head died and found that NO ONE had a replacement head after 2 years of searching. I finally threw it in the garbage. Shame. I have an Apt Holman preamp and they were wonderful with any support I ever needed, even modifications of the design I did per some audio magazines. I also have a PS audio moving coil preamp. Same support. Both companies put me thru to the actual designer when I called. Also have a McIntosh 35W/channel tube amp from the early 1960's. They still carry parts including the tubes! I needed to build a portable three microphone preamp and found a design drawing in Walt Jung's Op Amp Applications. It suggested using transformers made by Jensen. I called the company to find who might be a retailer of the microphone transformers. They said "we can sell them to you directly" Would not take a charge card, just shipped them to me and billed me!. They then transferred my call to the design engineer. When I told the gentleman (yea there are still some real gentlemen in good companies) what I was trying to do, he asked me what revision of the Op Amp book I was getting the circuit diagram from and then told me it was a lousy revision and had a lot of errors. He then asked exactly what I was trying to make, what my microphones were, what I was recording and then drew me on sketch pad a circuit that would fit the bill and sent it in the mail to me. I bought the transformers and a few of the components from them and it is the best sounding microphone preamp I ever heard! Now, talk about customer support !! Today we seem to live in a throw away world of electronics. Don't fix it, trash it and buy a newer, better more modern, more marketed piece of junk ! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 02:04:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <170273.95107.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I sent my broken Dragon to Stephen Sank in August 2006, after speaking with him on the phone and asking if he could fix it. he said yes, hed take a month or 2 and I sent it in. Its now over 6 months and numerous phone calls. No sign of the deck being fixed. All Mr. Sank says is hes started work on it and that hes busy with other stuff. Every time I call he says next week itll be done. OK Mr. Sank is a Nak genius. But this doesnt give him the right to keep working on our decks for ever. And because hes so good he just doesnt seem to care that we send it to be fixed to LISTEN to the darn machine. I hope Mr Sank reads this and speeds up his act. Compared to that ESL is better. At least they return the machines repaired. I am not sure what Mr. Sank does collecting all those machines he gets sent over for a complete build like I did like an idiot. I guess its better to rebuild completely and puttimg our money where our mouth (or music) is! Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that sometimes a part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed until the deck is reassembled. This means tear it down again. I'm sure this impacts not only cost due to extra time in work but also is a reason for delays in cue with total rebuilds getting priority. I ordered a complete rebuild on my ZX-7 from day 1. They charged me for 11 hours of work. It still took 54 weeks. Jeff --------------------------------- Check out free AOL. 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URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Wed Feb 21 02:21:43 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:21:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL References: Message-ID: <00d201c75556$a5ac4f30$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > "Last time I used it was AOK" They all say that....HAHAHAhahAhA From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 21 03:09:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:09:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <170273.95107.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <170273.95107.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DBA9D2.2050400@rcn.com> I understand Stephen has some personal problems. He fixed two units for me six or seven year ago and did a marvelous job. Yes, he kept then for a long time -- several weeks or so. But, his charges were reasonable, which I can't say of any other electronics tech I know (or know of). Some time later, the CR-7 came down with a sever case of capstan motor dementia and I couldn't find a replacement IC anywhere. Stephen sent me an old transport to cannibalize the part from (which allowed me to repair the capstan motor -- it's working great to this day) and refused payment for it. Again, I can't recall an electronics service guy that would do this for a customer. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Hi all, > > I sent my broken Dragon to Stephen Sank in August 2006, after speaking > with him on the phone and asking if he could fix it. he said yes, hed > take a month or 2 and I sent it in. > > Its now over 6 months and numerous phone calls. No sign of the deck > being fixed. All Mr. Sank says is hes started work on it and that hes > busy with other stuff. Every time I call he says next week itll be done. > > OK Mr. Sank is a Nak genius. But this doesnt give him the right to keep > working on our decks for ever. And because hes so good he just doesnt > seem to care that we send it to be fixed to LISTEN to the darn machine. > > I hope Mr Sank reads this and speeds up his act. > > Compared to that ESL is better. At least they return the machines repaired. > > I am not sure what Mr. Sank does collecting all those machines he gets > sent over for a complete build like I did like an idiot. > > I guess its better to rebuild completely and puttimg our money where our > mouth (or music) is! > > Ram > */Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: > > One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that > sometimes a part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed > until the deck is reassembled. This means tear it down again. > I'm sure this impacts not only cost due to extra time in > work but also is a reason for delays in cue with total rebuilds > getting priority. > > I ordered a complete rebuild on my ZX-7 from day 1. They charged me > for 11 hours of work. It still took 54 weeks. > Jeff > From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Feb 21 03:10:56 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:10:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <170273.95107.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are there also time issues with B&W UK for Nakamichi repairs? How do they compare with ESL et al. boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) > > >Hi all, > >I sent my broken Dragon to Stephen Sank in August 2006, after speaking with >him on the phone and asking if he could fix it. he said yes, hed take a >month or 2 and I sent it in. > >Its now over 6 months and numerous phone calls. No sign of the deck being >fixed. All Mr. Sank says is hes started work on it and that hes busy with >other stuff. Every time I call he says next week itll be done. > >OK Mr. Sank is a Nak genius. But this doesnt give him the right to keep >working on our decks for ever. And because hes so good he just doesnt seem >to care that we send it to be fixed to LISTEN to the darn machine. > >I hope Mr Sank reads this and speeds up his act. > >Compared to that ESL is better. At least they return the machines repaired. > >I am not sure what Mr. Sank does collecting all those machines he gets sent >over for a complete build like I did like an idiot. > >I guess its better to rebuild completely and puttimg our money where our >mouth (or music) is! > >Ram >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:51:14 P.M. >Pacific Standard Time, william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: > One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that sometimes a >part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed until the deck is >reassembled. This means tear it down again. I'm sure this impacts not >only cost due to extra time in work but also is a reason for delays in >cue with total rebuilds getting priority. > > > I ordered a complete rebuild on my ZX-7 from day 1. They charged me for >11 hours of work. It still took 54 weeks. > Jeff > > > > >--------------------------------- > Check out free AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security >tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL >Mail and much more. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 03:34:23 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <45DBA9D2.2050400@rcn.com> Message-ID: <254390.76490.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I understand 1-3 months( thats itself a stretch) But its over 6 months now! I might die soon without listening to my favorite deck1 The same is the story with Technetron in NYC. This guy Mike here also keeps it forever, and never calls back or anything. I guess all these techies think they are something special, 'cause they fix vintage gems. We appreciate their talent, no doubt. But get to work on these decks guys. I am tired of waiting for parts for quarter after quarter. I guess ESLs complete rebuild, albeit the expense, is the best one could ask for unless you have a Bala or Kannan living nearby. I am told ESLs turn around time is pretty fast relative to Mr. Sank et al. Any comments. let them come! Ram Ron wrote: I understand Stephen has some personal problems. He fixed two units for me six or seven year ago and did a marvelous job. Yes, he kept then for a long time -- several weeks or so. But, his charges were reasonable, which I can't say of any other electronics tech I know (or know of). Some time later, the CR-7 came down with a sever case of capstan motor dementia and I couldn't find a replacement IC anywhere. Stephen sent me an old transport to cannibalize the part from (which allowed me to repair the capstan motor -- it's working great to this day) and refused payment for it. Again, I can't recall an electronics service guy that would do this for a customer. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Hi all, > > I sent my broken Dragon to Stephen Sank in August 2006, after speaking > with him on the phone and asking if he could fix it. he said yes, hed > take a month or 2 and I sent it in. > > Its now over 6 months and numerous phone calls. No sign of the deck > being fixed. All Mr. Sank says is hes started work on it and that hes > busy with other stuff. Every time I call he says next week itll be done. > > OK Mr. Sank is a Nak genius. But this doesnt give him the right to keep > working on our decks for ever. And because hes so good he just doesnt > seem to care that we send it to be fixed to LISTEN to the darn machine. > > I hope Mr Sank reads this and speeds up his act. > > Compared to that ESL is better. At least they return the machines repaired. > > I am not sure what Mr. Sank does collecting all those machines he gets > sent over for a complete build like I did like an idiot. > > I guess its better to rebuild completely and puttimg our money where our > mouth (or music) is! > > Ram > */Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:51:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: > > One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that > sometimes a part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed > until the deck is reassembled. This means tear it down again. > I'm sure this impacts not only cost due to extra time in > work but also is a reason for delays in cue with total rebuilds > getting priority. > > I ordered a complete rebuild on my ZX-7 from day 1. They charged me > for 11 hours of work. It still took 54 weeks. > Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Feb 21 04:22:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:22:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Message-ID: > Are there also time issues with B&W UK for Nakamichi repairs? How > do they > compare with ESL et al. Last I heard they don't do the older machines (e.g. 1000zxl generation), mostly due to lack of parts. ESL is the best place for parts. > I understand 1-3 months( thats itself a stretch) > But its over 6 months now! I might die soon without listening to my > favorite deck1 > > The same is the story with Technetron in NYC. This guy Mike here > also keeps it forever, and never calls back or anything. > > I guess all these techies think they are something special, 'cause > they fix vintage gems. We appreciate their talent, no doubt. But > get to work on these decks guys. I am tired of waiting for parts > for quarter after quarter. Three was typical when I had a local place, but a somewhat good but tempermental guy (you can read some of my old posts for the stories). But he only worked part time/contract occasionally, and was starting some business (not related to cassettes) in Japan, spent a lot of time going there to do that, etc. When he actually got around to the deck it took a week or two. We need to also face some reality. With perhaps the exception of ESL, most of these guys can't make a living fixing Nakamichi decks, even if we think they're charging a lot. Some of the parts are made of, as one guy puts it on AudioKarma, "unobtainium" (or maybe at least "very-hard-to-getanium"). And, if most of you are like me, you want the deck working perfectly when you get it back! Lack of the tools and such don't help, and yes, their skill sets are not what are called for to deal with most modern stuff, so it commands a premium, both in the time you need to leave a machine with them, as well as the cost. I believe the story that went around a year or so ago was that Mr. Sank had had a very severe auto accident and in addition to whatever effects he may still be suffering from that, also got quite behind. Again, remember, I doubt he can make a living on Naks. This isn't to excuse poor communication skills and the like, but waiting when you really need the expertise is sadly going to be part of the "mystique" of owning the best now.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Feb 21 05:37:04 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:37:04 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 Microphone mixer - power supply question Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070221173005.031dece8@paradise.net.nz> I've recently acquired an MX100 microphone mixer. It did not come with a power supply What are my options here? Would the PS100 like in this Ebay auction, be ok if used with an appropriate transformer? I'm in New Zealand at 240v here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320083174079 Or are there other generic options that are fine? Thanks in advance Brett From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Feb 21 06:57:53 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:57:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 Microphone mixer - power supply question References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070221173005.031dece8@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <008601c7557d$3ae927a0$11d417c4@home> Yes,thats the appropriate power supply. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] MX100 Microphone mixer - power supply question > I've recently acquired an MX100 microphone mixer. > It did not come with a power supply > > What are my options here? > > Would the PS100 like in this Ebay auction, be ok if used with an > appropriate transformer? > I'm in New Zealand at 240v here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320083174079 > > Or are there other generic options that are fine? > > Thanks in advance > Brett > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From benstratford at aol.com Wed Feb 21 10:05:09 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:05:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL Message-ID: <8C923AE85B09C09-10D0-44CA@mblk-r42.sysops.aol.com> Gra, Thanks, I hope so too. It's not all down to luck though. I've bought 15 decks off Ebay and all were exactly as expected. Of the 6 nak decks, the first 4 were sold as mint, perfect working order and they were. The next was £36 for repair. It only needed the door mechanism sorting out and works very well. The belts look / feel like new and should last a while yet - all electronics sound so far. The 6th deck not yet collected from the owner. (Kannan's comment's on the zxl / Luis's rebuild all taken on board, Caveat emptor etc) I like to phone the owners and chat about their machines. Anyone who doesn't know what they are or how to use them or is selling for a friend - avoid. If they are too cheap - they will not be as you expect - avoid. (Unless you get lucky) Most of all IMHO, avoid the decks that have not been used for XX years. They always take a load of work to free up. (Unless very cheap and good cosmetics and you want to do the work as I do) Be Patient and be very picky if you want a keeper deck. 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How do they compare with ESL et al. boogie From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 21 11:47:58 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:47:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Message-ID: BTW...when my gifted Dragon will need a full seriously services...I will travel with the unit to UK directly to B & W...stay there in the city where B & W do the job...exactly the city name I forgot...sorry & return to Israel with the unit 100% serviced. IF...I will stay alive!!!???ALEX! > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ESL> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:23:18 +0000> > When I took my BX-300 to B & W for an overhaul and gear upgrade they did it> in less than two weeks and chrged me £140 (that included a pack of 6 TDK-SA> C90).> I took the unit to the shop myself and got to speak to the engineer who does> the work on the Naks. All in all I was very happy with B & W.> > Shaun> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of boogie man> Sent: 21 February 2007 02:11> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL> > > Are there also time issues with B&W UK for Nakamichi repairs? 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URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 13:30:18 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:30:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads Message-ID: <193673.66521.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? Thanks, Larry Pittsburgh, PA USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Feb 21 14:59:52 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:59:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <004501c755a2$4f3ed810$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <004501c755a2$4f3ed810$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <45DC5058.3040108@whiteapple.u-net.com> With respect to B&W, I sent them a 680 ZX with a couple of problems, these they fixed and gave it a complete overhaul, very pleased with the work and it only took a few weeks for them to send it back. Doug Locke. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > When I took my BX-300 to B & W for an overhaul and gear upgrade they did it > in less than two weeks and chrged me £140 (that included a pack of 6 TDK-SA > C90). > I took the unit to the shop myself and got to speak to the engineer who does > the work on the Naks. All in all I was very happy with B & W. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of boogie man > Sent: 21 February 2007 02:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > Are there also time issues with B&W UK for Nakamichi repairs? How do they > compare with ESL et al. > > boogie > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 15:25:20 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:25:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <193673.66521.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534425.48749.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Welcome Larry! I can't help you on the phones but I have an old Koss set with the ear pads now gone. One of these days I'm going to make some. Maybe find something at a fabric store??? Bob Larry Sachs wrote: Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? Thanks, Larry Pittsburgh, PA USA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Feb 21 16:04:49 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:04:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <534425.48749.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <534425.48749.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DC5F91.2040506@snet.net> The SP-7 is an awesome set of phones that can play very loud with spine tingling bass. Your solution can be found at Radio Shack where they sell a set of foam pads that are quite nearly a perfect fit. Ed > Greetings Nakkers, > > I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late > 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for > many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in > Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was > completely out of whack with one channel always recording > significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the > trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I > didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have > helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford > another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently > however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to > my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. > > Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which > still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely > disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe > that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the > material. 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URL: From smbrandt at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 16:15:23 2007 From: smbrandt at earthlink.net (Stephen Brandt) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:15:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bang&olfsen Message-ID: <410-220072321151523234@earthlink.net> anybody out there know anything about bang&olfsen units? I recently aquired a cassette/ turntable/radio unit. seems to be of the quality of the Naks I had. any info appreciated SMB Stephen Brandt smbrandt at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 16:22:35 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:22:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <45DC5F91.2040506@snet.net> Message-ID: <963235.91579.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The best ear pads or Cushions are - Grado' SR60 or 80 ear pads. They are firm unlike Radio shack ones and fit very comfortably. they are also longer lasting. SP7 is great headphones Kannan Edward Noyes wrote: The SP-7 is an awesome set of phones that can play very loud with spine tingling bass. Your solution can be found at Radio Shack where they sell a set of foam pads that are quite nearly a perfect fit. Ed Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? 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I've bought 15 decks off Ebay and all were exactly as expected. Of the 6 nak decks, the first 4 were sold as mint, perfect working order and they were. The next was £36 for repair. It only needed the door mechanism sorting out and works very well. The belts look / feel like new and should last a while yet - all electronics sound so far. The 6th deck not yet collected from the owner. (Kannan's comment's on the zxl / Luis's rebuild all taken on board, Caveat emptor etc) I like to phone the owners and chat about their machines. Anyone who doesn't know what they are or how to use them or is selling for a friend - avoid. If they are too cheap - they will not be as you expect - avoid. (Unless you get lucky) Most of all IMHO, avoid the decks that have not been used for XX years. They always take a load of work to free up. (Unless very cheap and good cosmetics and you want to do the work as I do) Be Patient and be very picky if you want a keeper deck. The only problem is - I now have no more room left. I'll need to build another room! Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 16:48:17 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:48:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <193673.66521.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221094817.00865bf0@earthlink.net> You might contact Grado. As I recall the SP-7 had round ear pads, and the Grados might fit. Sorry to hear about the 500. That little deck started it all, for those of us not crazy enough for a 700! tom brucker At 04:30 AM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? Thanks, Larry Pittsburgh, PA USA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 16:36:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:36:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <627198.4450.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007f01c75548$c1add630$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221093652.00865e20@earthlink.net> There are always two considerations in the repair business. The customer has expectations. What has to be done to meet them? The customer must perceive value. How does the repair or rebuild represent a fair value? The Nakamichi problem is exacerbated by the parts crunch. While all of us gasp at a $1500 rebuild, we have all seen that the customers' expectations were met and they perceived value. If you send me a Dragon with NAAC problems and expect all the orange caps will be replaced, you will be disappointed, unless my charges are seen as a fair value for work done. We servicelings must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. The joy of collecting a discontinued product, be it vinyl records or Nakamichi decks, is in the hunt, and the reward when an exceptional find is made. We all have felt the frustration when our expectations are greater than a purchase gone sour. Ben has risked L500 (pounds) and he will be very happy if the deck performs well. If it has problems, I believe he will set about repairing them. For the price he paid he knows there is some room for more work. tom brucker At 03:54 PM 2/20/07 -0800, LENA WONG wrote: >>>> For the tape transport system, an overhaul seems to be a better investment for long term other than just repair the broken parts. For electronic section, replacement of broken part(s) should be good enough unless the customer insists on replacement of all old parts. Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: One of the problems with a non complete rebuild is that sometimes a part requires replacement but cannot be diagnosed until the deck is reassembled. This means tear it down again. I'm sure this impacts not only cost due to extra time in work but also is a reason for delays in cue with total rebuilds getting priority. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 16:43:55 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:43:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MX100 Microphone mixer - power supply question In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070221173005.031dece8@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221094355.00865bf0@earthlink.net> The ZX7 has a power jack on the back. I am supposed to get the MX 100 schematic posted. ... My bad. Maybe someone with time could stop by Nashville with a scanner and scan all the manuals! tom brucker At 05:37 PM 2/21/07 +1300, you wrote: >I've recently acquired an MX100 microphone mixer. >It did not come with a power supply > >What are my options here? > >Would the PS100 like in this Ebay auction, be ok if used with an >appropriate transformer? >I'm in New Zealand at 240v here: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320083174079 > >Or are there other generic options that are fine? > >Thanks in advance >Brett > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gfuentes at mminternet.com Wed Feb 21 17:14:01 2007 From: gfuentes at mminternet.com (Greg Fuentes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:14:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SP-7 Ear Pads: In-Reply-To: <200702211535.l1LFZKps027727@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702211535.l1LFZKps027727@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45DC6FC9.7000909@mminternet.com> Re: SP-7 Ear Pads: Not familiar with your headphones. However, if Grado earpads would fit, so would Sennheiser HD 414 earpads, which might last longer and are cheaper on Ebay. Sennheiser also much more comfortable. Have Grado SR-60 and SR-80 headphones. Earpads for those Grados disintegrated. The Sennheiser earpads which I bought on Ebay fit the Grados and it appears that they will outlast the Grado earpieces. However, not sure if the Sennheiser pads adversely affect the sound. Whereas the Grado earpads have a hole in the center, the Sennheisers put a foam wall between the headphone speakers and the ear. Good luck. Greg Fuentes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 17:10:26 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:10:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] bang&olfsen In-Reply-To: <410-220072321151523234@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221101026.008626b0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1078 bytes Desc: not available URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 17:26:55 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:26:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <45DC5F91.2040506@snet.net> Message-ID: <454713.707.qm@web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, Thanks for the reply. I am using the Radio Shack pads now and while they are adequate I am hoping that somebody has had experience with something better. Larry Edward Noyes wrote: The SP-7 is an awesome set of phones that can play very loud with spine tingling bass. Your solution can be found at Radio Shack where they sell a set of foam pads that are quite nearly a perfect fit. Ed Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? 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URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Feb 21 17:29:20 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:29:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads Message-ID: <006f01c755d5$710338a0$6701a8c0@main> I have an old set of Beyerdynamic headphones. They are a sealed cup type. I got replacement cups from Beyer recently. They might just work for yours if yours are a sealed cup type. The earcups are oval in shape and have a nice soft leather type skin. They have a small hole in the center of about 1 inch in diameter where they surround the speaker outlet. They are "stickon" with an adhesive on the face that goes against the headphones. They are not the monstrous cups that the old Kiss type headphones use but are NOT open air types. If you think these might do it for you, send me an email and I can take some photos and send them to you for better evaluation. They were only about $15 if I remember from last year. Very comfortable and also very good isolation cups. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 17:37:27 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:37:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070221094817.00865bf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <857159.76726.qm@web84112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats two replies that recommend Grado pads. I'll wait another day or so and see if anyone else chimes in with their experience. As for the 500 I started with, that took pretty much every penny I could muster since I was in college at the time. I was certainly crazy enough to want a 700 or even the 1000, but they were way beyond my means. It eventually paid for itself when I used it in law school to tape my moot court arguments in order to check my pacing and look for annoying verbal pauses. I am convinced that machine helped me to become a more pursuasive trial lawyer. Larry Hi Tech wrote: You might contact Grado. As I recall the SP-7 had round ear pads, and the Grados might fit. Sorry to hear about the 500. That little deck started it all, for those of us not crazy enough for a 700! tom brucker At 04:30 AM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? Thanks, Larry Pittsburgh, PA USA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From moydan at excite.com Wed Feb 21 17:40:53 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:40:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] bang&olfsen Message-ID: <20070221164053.EDB698B362@xprdmxin.myway.com> Stephen,The only thing I can say about B&O is that they look cool and they sound ok but only if you are really short on space.� Otherwise you can get much better sound out something that was half the cost.Dan --- On Wed 02/21, Stephen Brandt < smbrandt at earthlink.net > wrote:From: Stephen Brandt [mailto: smbrandt at earthlink.net]To: Naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:15:23 -0500Subject: [naktalk] bang&olfsen anybody out there know anything about bang&olfsen units? I recently aquired a cassette/ turntable/radio unit. seems to be of the quality of the Naks I had. any info appreciated SMB Stephen Brandtsmbrandt at earthlink.netWhy Wait? Move to EarthLink. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 18:41:25 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:41:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and question: SP-7 Headphone ear pads In-Reply-To: <454713.707.qm@web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486780.22162.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry, I am not familiar with your headphones. Are they a full size or minis? I did not know radio shack sold headphone pads. I'll go look. Bob Larry Sachs wrote: Ed, Thanks for the reply. I am using the Radio Shack pads now and while they are adequate I am hoping that somebody has had experience with something better. Larry Edward Noyes wrote: The SP-7 is an awesome set of phones that can play very loud with spine tingling bass. Your solution can be found at Radio Shack where they sell a set of foam pads that are quite nearly a perfect fit. Ed Greetings Nakkers, I am new to Naktalk but not so new to Nakamichi. Back in the late 70's I became the proud owner of a Nakamichi 500 which I used for many years. Finally after sending it for service to Nakamichi in Torrence, CA they were unable to fix it. The recording balance was completely out of whack with one channel always recording significantly lower than the other. Sadly, I tossed it in the trash around 1991. Having read these posts for now I'm sorry I didn't hold on to it as I suspect that one of you could have helped me to get it back in working order. As I could not afford another Nak I bought a Sony TC-K677ES which I still have. Recently however, I acquired a BX-300 on EBay in what appears, at least to my eyes and ears, to be in perfect working order. Sometime in the late 80's I bought a pair of SP-7 headphones which still sound just fine. However, the ear pads have completely disintegrated. I know that new pads are unavailable. I believe that any old pads I could get would crumble due to the age of the material. Does anyone have a suggestion for a suitable replacement ear pad that is currently being made by another manufacturer that would fit these headphones? 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"Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL There are always two considerations in the repair business. The customer has expectations. .....We servicelings must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. tom brucker From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 18:51:45 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:51:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20070221093652.00865e20@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with tech work that had a lot of variables involved. -Tim On 2/21/07, Graham Nelson wrote: > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not actually what > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to tell > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going to > take > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > targets > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically tell > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental breakdown or > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The customer > has expectations. .....We servicelings > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > tom brucker > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 18:59:40 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:59:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2007 9:53:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, grahamanelson at googlemail.com writes: It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not actually what is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to tell the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going to take 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those targets are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically tell them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental breakdown or being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. I completely agree. As far as I can tell, ESL did a wonderful job in the rebuild of my decks. However, when the 6 to 8 months of the original estimate passed and I tried to contact them via email at 10 months, they simply ignored the emails. Since they charge by far the most of anyone on the planet for repairs, you would think that they would have the common courtesy to answer the emails of someone they charge $2400. Jeff


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Sometimes I do not understand why Nakamichi deck service should take more than 3 months - when the Tech is having parts ( not necessarily new parts ). he can as well ask the customer to send the item after 6 months if the waiting takes 6 - 9 months! Stephen sank should not accept items unless he is capable of returning it in a reasonable time. kannan Graham Nelson wrote: It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not actually what is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to tell the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going to take 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those targets are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically tell them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental breakdown or being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL There are always two considerations in the repair business. The customer has expectations. .....We servicelings must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 21 20:03:09 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:03:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070221093652.00865e20@earthlink.net> <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45DC976D.6030406@rcn.com> Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for your customers. But, let's be realistic... IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to postpone confrontation with the customer as much as possible, to spend as little time with then as possible and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even a consideration. This is true for the audio repair business, but also for your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, in fact, as to be the norm. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > -Tim > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > wrote: > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > actually what > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > tell > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > to take > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > targets > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > tell > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > breakdown or > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > customer > has expectations. .....We servicelings > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > tom brucker From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 20:15:00 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:15:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DC976D.6030406@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070221093652.00865e20@earthlink.net> <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> <45DC976D.6030406@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702211115h718ba698p5f17f50cf986da2e@mail.gmail.com> It is probably the norm across a number of sectors, I'd glady recognize that, God knows I've had experiences in that vein, but I've found that when one does tech work of an arcane nature on the side, there simply is no replacement for stellar word-of-mouth advertising, and no need for anything more. I actually know, however, some specialist lawyers in Denver that have built hugely profitable practices through just that, no yellow pages, no tv or print advertising, just word of mouth. Especially with the advent of the Internet and sites devoted to consumer reports and grading businesses, a lot of businesses have had to rethink the way they relate to their customers and step up the service side of the transaction with SLAs and better guarantees. This only works, however, in market spaces where there is a lot of competition, and this is where high-end analog audio gets screwed. People think it's obsolete, there isn't as much demand for the products, so the support dwindles. Those that are left 1) probably can't make a solid living doing it, but 2) can easily treat customers however they want because the consumers simply have nowhere else to turn. -Tim On 2/21/07, Ron wrote: > > > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for > your customers. But, let's be realistic... > > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even > a consideration. > > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, > in fact, as to be the norm. > > -- Ron > > > > Tim Skorick wrote: > > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required > > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give > > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with > > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > > > -Tim > > > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > > wrote: > > > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > > actually what > > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > > tell > > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > > to take > > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > > targets > > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > > tell > > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > > breakdown or > > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, > letters or > > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com >]On > > Behalf Of Hi Tech > > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > > customer > > has expectations. .....We servicelings > > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > > > tom brucker > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Feb 21 20:19:20 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:19:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <739977.83740.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A machine was brought in for repair/service. A diagnostic has been performed and causes of repair(s) have been identified. Parts and labor hours are identified and calculated and a bill of work has been drafted. If the parts require six months to be located and the amount of labor is one month, then approximates 7 months' of time is expected to finish the job by the time the parts are placed to order and return to the customer. If the parts search turns out to take more time than estimated, then the customers needed to be notified and both sides needed to be agreed on the new schedule before proceed further. I don't see why the audio repair service can be much different from the above scenerio. - Mike Tim Skorick wrote: I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with tech work that had a lot of variables involved. -Tim On 2/21/07, Graham Nelson wrote: It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not actually what is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to tell the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going to take 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those targets are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically tell them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental breakdown or being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL There are always two considerations in the repair business. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 20:45:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:45:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2007 11:11:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to postpone confrontation with the customer as much as possible, to spend as little time with then as possible and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even a consideration. This is true for the audio repair business, but also for your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, in fact, as to be the norm. I don't believe this. Any business which depends upon repeat customers or reputation has to take customer service very seriously. Look what's happening to Jet Blue right now - they had to lower their business forecast today and had their stock downgraded because of the public relations nightmare of keeping several airplanes full of passengers sitting on the ground for up to 11 hours. Their business won't recover for months, if not longer, simply from the repercussions of poor customer relations. All because of word-of-mouth. Most business need repeat customers to survive. There's a formula I heard on TV this week which is apparently the result of some marketing studies - "If you satisfy a customer, he will tell 5 other people. If you dis-satisfy a customer, he will tell 9 people." ESL is of course more or less a monopoly, and they behave like it. Nakamichi itself was famous for haughty customer relations, and for the way the treated their tech-ie network as flunkies. It might have been based in a Japanese hierarchical social custom. In Japanese, there are different forms of address for talking to the flunkies. The Emperor speaks to everyone else as if they were children. Hierarchical relation is part of Japanese grammar. Nakamichi was always sucking up to the rich, like the Rolls-Royce salesman who says, "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it." You can see this in their sales brochures, which are often a real hoot. A retired Nak-trained technician told me that he once spent hours trouble-shooting the famous shut-off light problem in an early Nak deck before the problem was commonly known. He wrote a letter to Nakamichi about it, and they never even bothered to answer. He said that was typical of their attitude. Michael Caine tells a story about what he did when he got his first real paycheck as an actor, I think from "Zulu." He went to a Rolls-Royce dealer and told the salesman he wanted a car. The dealer looked him up and down, listened to his Cockney accent, and didn't believe him that he had enough money to buy one, so he treated him badly. So, Percy Michelwaithe (which I think is his real name), the son of a fish monger, went to another Rolls dealer and bought his car there instead. Then, he went back to the first dealer, drove by real slow-like, and waved to the first salesman who had turned him down. Jeff


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It's common practice; so common, in fact, as to be the norm." Ken says: Wow, as a dentist I can only say that if this is the way your dentist treats you, find another one. Communication is the key. My staff knows this also. 99% of patients are very understanding when complications happen if they are well informed and know we care about them. 1% will never ever be happy. They just carry around a weight and throw it as us and everyone else. We still try to help them. But we don't enjoy it. From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 21:02:02 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:02:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> Hi everyone, After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, his fees were very reasonable. Here is is note: "K: Thanks for thinking of me, I hope all is well with you. I worked at Electronics Service Labs for 3 years in the mid 1980's and did many cassette decks while there. I have several Naks in here now for work and continue to do them. Here's the situation in the land of free enterprise reality....there are fewer and fewer of us (qualified, licensed, experienced) electronics technicians to do the great items (CT-7000, TU-X1, Naks, etc. properly). Because of this we have more and more work with fewer and fewer technicians so to turn out a quality product requires more and more time. Time to get parts (which often are no longer available from the manufacturer requiring great resources just to locate suitable replacements), time to test a decades old item, item to communicate with customers, etc. In addition to that, the basic law of supply and demand causes an increase in price as fewer and fewer qualified technicians exist. This is why one has to wait a year or more and pay the appropriate fees for quality work. When I was a youngster (33 yrs old) I had a federal lawsuit against an international company and sought advice from a trusted and wise senior citizen in how to find the best lawyer. He told me "I he can take your case right away he either just started or isn't any good". The same holds true for repairing vintage, quality electronics. The good technicians are always backed up, and for good reason. The work required to repair is much greater than I suspect the customer is aware of, that's why guys in my business close up shop every day. I haven't made livable wages for at least a decade, I do this because I love what I do. This is not the same as when you bring in your two old Honda automobile and get it back within 24 hrs, totally different dynamics driving the vintage electronics industry. EVERY SINGLE WEEK I GET EMAILS CURSING ME FOR HAVING AN ITEM IN HERE FOR WHAT THE CUSTOMER THINKS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME. Inappropriate as compared to what? One must be aware that repairing vintage audio is a changing industry with fewer and fewer competent players. I see the group messages saying "XYZ had my item for XYZ months", this being said in a negative manner. I have many customers pull their items out of here angry about the wait, then realizing (too late) that their reference point is not appropriate to quality vintage repair and then beg me to take the item back in. Too late by that time, I don't get paid enough for that kind of aggravation. If the consumer would only think about the dynamics behind the scene. Does the consumer really think a shop wants to have an item for 12 months? The shop would rather have the $$ in the cash register much sooner but not if the work is not up to that shop's standards. I can go on and on but that is the reality of vintage repair in free enterprise. I have items in here over a year, I try to explain to the customer the dynamics of vintage repair done right, most of the times I think the customer thinks I am lying to him. If they only knew that at Stereo Surgeons I have been working 12 hrs/day, 6 days/week for 2 years and still can't produce the quality and quantity the customers want within their desired time frame. If they only knew that the last time I took anything that remotely resembles a vacation (in their eyes) was in 1988 (not a misprint, 19 years ago) when I took 4 days off. So this is why there are so few quality techs and getting fewer by the day. No livable wages, no appreciation, and unless you love what you do (as do I), no reason to do this. What I find interesting is the biggest complainers about time and price are the people farthest removed from the reality of free enterprise, people who are paid by taxpayers, so called "cival service workers", teachers, etc.. They get 3, 4, 5, 6, or more weeks of vacation/year, sick days, personal days, health benefits, retirement benefits, can retire after 20 or 30 years. I GET NONE OF THAT AND NEITHER DOES ANY OTHER QUALITY VINTAGE TECHNICIAN I KNOW WHO PARTICIPATES IN THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM. Wow, I needed to get that off my chest. So, please, when you guys start to complain about having to wait and pay you may want to consider if your perceptions are in the most appropriate perspective. I have no association with Electronics Service Labs, this rant was in general defense of all qualified, vintage technicians who, as the late Rodney Dangerfield would say, "get no respect". Sincerely, Ken Bernacky President, Stereo Surgeons, Inc." From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 20:45:25 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:45:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221134525.0085be50@earthlink.net> There is a completely parted out ZX 7 on eBay. He had an eject problem, and scrapped the whole thing. SAD. I am bidding on the major mechanism, and wanted to give a heads up to anyone needing cosmetic parts, knob, or the door. I am not aware of ZX 7 meter problems, but would it be wise to purchase those boards for reserve? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 21:21:46 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:21:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <739977.83740.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6bddc1110702210951q3ab9f3b6pea1ac0687b1fd94e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221142146.00852d40@earthlink.net> >From my present personal experience: I am stuck on a "simple " 480 repair! I know what is wrong, I have an idea what it costs to repair, but as I try parts, the problem never resolves. At the moment I am trying other belts, but I am actually stuck. Technicians often get stuck. It is almost a weakness to admit to a customer that I am stuck, but I have to admit it and remain confident that the answer will appear. A suggestion for ALL Nakamichi technicians on NakTalk: We need to share information and assist each other. In the old days we had Nakamichi factory techs to back us up. We all know the power of discussion with a peer over a difficult repair. I will make myself available. tom brucker At 11:19 AM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> A machine was brought in for repair/service. A diagnostic has been performed and causes of repair(s) have been identified. Parts and labor hours are identified and calculated and a bill of work has been drafted. If the parts require six months to be located and the amount of labor is one month, then approximates 7 months' of time is expected to finish the job by the time the parts are placed to order and return to the customer. If the parts search turns out to take more time than estimated, then the customers needed to be notified and both sides needed to be agreed on the new schedule before proceed further. I don't see why the audio repair service can be much different from the above scenerio. - Mike Tim Skorick wrote: I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with tech work that had a lot of variables involved. -Tim On 2/21/07, Graham Nelson <grahamanelson at googlemail.com> wrote: It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not actually what is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to tell the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going to take 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those targets are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically tell them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental breakdown or being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL There are always two considerations in the repair business. The customer has expectations. .....We servicelings must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 21 21:23:18 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:23:18 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he isn't". Luckily I have a talented person within 10 miles, and yea, he's way backed up all the time, but he (actually his secretary) gives me reasonable estimates, lets me know if an unexpected delay comes up, and politely answers any questions I have. And he replaced a counter belt, auto-reverse, cleaned, demagged and aligned my old dragon for about $140. He didn't demand $2000 or some astronomical fee to totally rebuild the thing. Yea, I have one of those cushy jobs he trashes, but I made my choice he made his. I like my five weeks vacation a year, free health-care and 8-5 schedule. In my spare time I have my own "boutique" business selling a baseball simulation game, and treat all my customers like they were my most important customer. Every complaint is dealt with quickly, politely, and to the satisfaction of both parties. He should strive for the same. Some of the stuff I've heard about ESL and Sank (who evidently has had peoples decks for YEARS) makes me shake my head. Sorry for venting, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Hi everyone, After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, his fees were very reasonable. Here is is note: "K: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 21:34:14 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:34:14 -0600 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702211234i360550a4p1ab73b045485157d@mail.gmail.com> That was a hell of a rant. I have to say, however, that nobody on this list has complained yet solely about the time it takes to effect repairs: we all know it can take a while. What we're talking about is the fact that those that have the corner on the vintage repair market don't seem to feel compelled to communicate to customers how long a job will take, give status reports (even a "hello your deck is now at this and that stage" would help), or even respond to queries about the status of a deck. When I tell customers that a deck will take five months to repair because the mechanism needs factory parts that are on back order with a friend in Germany, they understand and are usually okay with it. But don't these people see? I told them beforehand. As for "cash in the register more quickly", they're getting that already. Who here hasn't paid up front for repair/upgrade/alignment of a vintage high-end stereo component in the last ten years? Not me. -Tim On 2/21/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every > day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his > much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train > for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first > rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he > isn't". > > Luckily I have a talented person within 10 miles, and yea, he's way > backed up all the time, but he (actually his secretary) gives me > reasonable estimates, lets me know if an unexpected delay comes up, and > politely answers any questions I have. And he replaced a counter belt, > auto-reverse, cleaned, demagged and aligned my old dragon for about > $140. He didn't demand $2000 or some astronomical fee to totally > rebuild the thing. > > Yea, I have one of those cushy jobs he trashes, but I made my choice he > made his. I like my five weeks vacation a year, free health-care and > 8-5 schedule. In my spare time I have my own "boutique" business > selling a baseball simulation game, and treat all my customers like they > were my most important customer. Every complaint is dealt with quickly, > politely, and to the satisfaction of both parties. He should strive for > the same. > > Some of the stuff I've heard about ESL and Sank (who evidently has had > peoples decks for YEARS) makes me shake my head. > > Sorry for venting, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail > server found on list.dsbl.org > > Hi everyone, > > After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to > Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did > excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I > showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in > repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his > note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other > side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a > few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. > But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed > his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very > well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, > his fees were very reasonable. > > Here is is note: > > "K: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 21:33:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:33:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221143305.007a93b0@earthlink.net> At 02:45 PM 2/21/07 EST, you wrote: In the early days Nak was small enough that they trained one-on-one. We could call in and ask for our favorite techs (btw, the "techs" were electrical engineers doing a year of mandatory internship before earning their degree) and get complete respect. In later years, I would describe my problem, and review the steps I had taken. Invariably the answer would be (you have to imagine the Japanese English) " Ahhh bettah send to factory!" tom brucker Nakamichi itself was famous for haughty customer relations, and for the way the treated their tech-ie network as flunkies. It might have been based in a Japanese hierarchical social custom. In Japanese, there are different forms of address for talking to the flunkies. The Emperor speaks to everyone else as if they were children. Hierarchical relation is part of Japanese grammar. Nakamichi was always sucking up to the rich, like the Rolls-Royce salesman who says, "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it." You can see this in their sales brochures, which are often a real hoot. A retired Nak-trained technician told me that he once spent hours trouble-shooting the famous shut-off light problem in an early Nak deck before the problem was commonly known. He wrote a letter to Nakamichi about it, and they never even bothered to answer. He said that was typical of their attitude. Michael Caine tells a story about what he did when he got his first real paycheck as an actor, I think from "Zulu." He went to a Rolls-Royce dealer and told the salesman he wanted a car. The dealer looked him up and down, listened to his Cockney accent, and didn't believe him that he had enough money to buy one, so he treated him badly. So, Percy Michelwaithe (which I think is his real name), the son of a fish monger, went to another Rolls dealer and bought his car there instead. Then, he went back to the first dealer, drove by real slow-like, and waved to the first salesman who had turned him down. Jeff ---------- Check out free AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 21:54:10 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070221134525.0085be50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <802651.92124.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am planning to buy the bias/ level adjusting board - for parts ( future !) hope nobody else is interested? Kannan PS : Good idea to collect the all parts ! Tom why don' t you ask him to sell all items at one cost to you? tom brucker wrote: There is a completely parted out ZX 7 on eBay. He had an eject problem, and scrapped the whole thing. SAD. I am bidding on the major mechanism, and wanted to give a heads up to anyone needing cosmetic parts, knob, or the door. I am not aware of ZX 7 meter problems, but would it be wise to purchase those boards for reserve? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 21 21:56:57 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:56:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DCA2C6.3040605@sbcglobal.net> References: <45DCA2C6.3040605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <45DCB219.3050000@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even > a consideration. > > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, > in fact, as to be the norm." > > Ken says: > > Wow, as a dentist I can only say that if this is the way your dentist > treats you, find another one. Communication is the key. My staff knows > this also. 99% of patients are very understanding when complications > happen if they are well informed and know we care about them. 1% will > never ever be happy. They just carry around a weight and throw it as us > and everyone else. We still try to help them. But we don't enjoy it. I neglected to say, "All present excluded" :-) Just recently a dentist sprang an unpleasant surprise on me ("No, it can't be done this way" after committing to me that it could) when I was sitting in the hot seat, mouth filled with metallic objects and bleeding profusely. No, I cannot leave in the middle of a complex and super expensive course of treatment and he well knows it. There is no question in my mind that as he looks at me he doesn't see me. All he sees are dollar signs... Integrity is not even a consideration. If you treat your customers with integrity and respect, then I envy them. However, you are in a small (nay, tiny minority). -- Ron \ From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Feb 21 22:01:25 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:01:25 +0200 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mailserver found on list.dsbl.org References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <014301c755fb$737750a0$3fd417c4@home> I think you are right! They must get their house in order and charge the appropriate fee! That way you and I will never get anything repaired my friend,because it will COST TOO MUCH to do so! In the modern world(especially a throwaway society as in the USA )it is not econnomical to repair these old things.A proper labour rate does not justify the repair .The fact that somebody tinkers his life away and does not go on holiday etc ,by repairing your and my decks is I agree stupid if your whole aim in life is to get rich!I am thankfull that there are still some out there that do these repairs as both you and I are not in a position to do the repairs ourselves.If you ever attempt to repair a deck you will soon have some compassion for the slow techs that are the bain of our lives.In case you have not noticed by reading reports on Naktalk ---the quicker you get them back--the more the repair costs! It makes you think doesn't it? I am afraid we have to live with the problem as this is not a normal situation. If free enterprise had run its course there would not have been a repair man in sight a long time ago! It is so easy to inform people what they have to do,but actually doing it is the difficult part! A repair of a Rolls Royce is approached and done a different way then a Chev and COSTS appropriately.We dont all want Rollses if we have to pay for them,do we?I cant see how a secretaey can give and estimate on a repair of a NAK ! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mailserver found on list.dsbl.org > What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every > day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his > much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train > for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first > rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he > isn't". > > Luckily I have a talented person within 10 miles, and yea, he's way > backed up all the time, but he (actually his secretary) gives me > reasonable estimates, lets me know if an unexpected delay comes up, and > politely answers any questions I have. And he replaced a counter belt, > auto-reverse, cleaned, demagged and aligned my old dragon for about > $140. He didn't demand $2000 or some astronomical fee to totally > rebuild the thing. > > Yea, I have one of those cushy jobs he trashes, but I made my choice he > made his. I like my five weeks vacation a year, free health-care and > 8-5 schedule. In my spare time I have my own "boutique" business > selling a baseball simulation game, and treat all my customers like they > were my most important customer. Every complaint is dealt with quickly, > politely, and to the satisfaction of both parties. He should strive for > the same. > > Some of the stuff I've heard about ESL and Sank (who evidently has had > peoples decks for YEARS) makes me shake my head. > > Sorry for venting, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail > server found on list.dsbl.org > > Hi everyone, > > After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to > Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did > excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I > showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in > repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his > note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other > side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a > few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. > But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed > his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very > well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, > his fees were very reasonable. > > Here is is note: > > "K: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 22:01:59 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:01:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: <45DCB347.2030402@sbcglobal.net> Derrick says: "What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he isn't"." Ken says: What he does not say in his rant is that this is not how he does business. He might not be taking vacations or making a bunch of money, but he enjoys his work. You can check out his web site at www.stereosurgeons.com He has excellent communication skills, returns gear fixed promptly with warranty, properly packaged for shipping. He gives an accurate quote of costs to repair and gives accurate time needed. I am sorry his rant about civil servant workers struck a nerve. I am sure he was stereotyping. But I have noticed some of this behavior myself as a dentist. My mother was a school teacher and my father was a county probate auditor. I know myself that they had little understanding of what was required to run a business. Sure the customer is always right, until you have had enough of their crap. Then you send them on their way... Anyway, it sounds like you know how to run a successful business. Count yourself lucky. It is not as easy as some might think. From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 22:05:45 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:05:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:03:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Just recently a dentist sprang an unpleasant surprise on me ("No, it can't be done this way" after committing to me that it could) when I was sitting in the hot seat, mouth filled with metallic objects and bleeding profusely. No, I cannot leave in the middle of a complex and super expensive course of treatment and he well knows it. There is no question in my mind that as he looks at me he doesn't see me. All he sees are dollar signs... Integrity is not even a consideration. Hey, that's capitalism. We'll get even after the revolution. Jeff


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I can't vouch for that, since I never owned it when it was new, but does make absolutely stunning recordings. Even Kermit said that a recording on this deck sounded as close to "big label" sound as he had ever heard a "modern" Nak. I don't know why your experience with ESL was so different. For me, they were wonderful. Especially after dealing with Stephen Sank. best, Fred On Feb 20, 2007, at 3:27 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/20/2007 3:04:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > flifton at mac.com writes: > FWIW, my experience with ESL was completely different. They > completely re-built my ZX-7 (for about the same amount), did some > mods, replaced orange caps, etc. I got it back in just a couple of > months. They were always polite and responsive, going so far as to > email me after shipping it back to make sure I was happy. > > The machine runs flawlessly and sounds amazing. > > They definitely are not cheap, but I would recommend them, and > their service, with no hesitation. > best, > Fred > Hi Fred, > I'm curious, when was that? > I'm happy with the ZX-7 itself. It sounds great. As far as I can > tell, they did a great job. > I also had them rebuild a BX-300 which arrived via UPS about an > hour ago after more than a year. It was a deck I bought on eBay > and I don't know the history of it. When they took so long with > the ZX-7 I upgraded the work order from a repair to a rebuild and > they did it right away. It cost $873. I paid them $1535 for the > ZX-7. > So for $2400 they wouldn't even answer my emails after 10 months of > having the decks. When I first contacted them in the first week of > January of 2006, they told me it would be 6-8 months "if the deck > needed diagnosis." When I emailed them 2 times after 10 plus > months, they ignored the emails. I'm just stating the facts. I'm > reserving any judgement about them, but people who are thinking of > dealing with them should know how they have treated customers, and > how long it really takes. > Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 21 22:19:44 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:19:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DC976D.6030406@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, et al Pressures of business be damned! Dealing with customers, who may well be irate or awkward, is part of being in business, or should be, and if a tech or whoever isn't prepared to handle them they ought not BE in business on their own account. If they can't stand the heat they ought not be in the kitchen. Even so, I don't know about things in the States but you're right about it being a common practice in the UK, with some notable exceptions. Nevertheless, it IS a bad business practice, not just discourteous because, where ever possible customers tend to avoid returning to suppliers who lack courtesy. It's in our power, as customers, to insist on good service and making sure even monopoly suppliers give us what we want - e.g. why pay 100% of repair/rebuild costs up front? Why not withhold a percentage? Why should we? We don't know them personally or the state of their business. For all we know they could be dogged by personal or health issues, or their business may be in danger of going belly-up anyway. If the supplier refuses to play ball, then negotiate, e.g. rebuild cost is $1000 and timing is 3 months? Okay - offer to pay $250 up front, the balance of $800 on completion and a $200 bonus after delivery if the work is completed satisfactorily inside 3 months. We don't have to put up with this cr#p. Personally, I did have in mind to only use one particular specialist for my ZX9 but I wasn't satisfied with the communications (or lack of them) I got regarding other matters and so switched my custom to the much nearer B&W. I would (will?) however, now consider some of the alternative service techs in the US who correspond in this forum - exchange rates being what they are, it might even be cheaper for me to post a unit to the US for repair than to B&W. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 21 February 2007 19:03 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for your customers. But, let's be realistic... IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to postpone confrontation with the customer as much as possible, to spend as little time with then as possible and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even a consideration. This is true for the audio repair business, but also for your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, in fact, as to be the norm. -- Ron From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 21 22:18:45 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sendingmailserver found on list.dsbl.org - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <014301c755fb$737750a0$3fd417c4@home> References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net><1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> <014301c755fb$737750a0$3fd417c4@home> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3C@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Did you miss the part where I told you what my local repairman charges? Additionally he switched out a CR-2 idler into my CR-5, cleaned, aligned for $80? Had a pristine Cassette Deck 2 for sale for $40 and sole me a totally refurbished Dual 1228 w/ cartridge for $50? The only thing he couldn't fix was a dbx 228 unit because he couldn't track down a part for it. The guy fixes everything from plasma TVs, HAM radios, and everything Nakamichi. I've probably had a half-dozen items for him to repair, and all have worked fine. I realize it is not an easy job, and we as vintage stereo fans need to realize we are on borrowed time with a lot of this stuff, but communicating with your customers is generally quick and cheap, and keeps everyone happy. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sendingmailserver found on list.dsbl.org - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org I think you are right! They must get their house in order and charge the appropriate fee! That way you and I will never get anything repaired my friend,because it will COST TOO MUCH to do so! In the modern world(especially a throwaway society as in the USA )it is not econnomical to repair these old things.A proper labour rate does not justify the repair .The fact that somebody tinkers his life away and does not go on holiday etc ,by repairing your and my decks is I agree stupid if your whole aim in life is to get rich!I am thankfull that there are still some out there that do these repairs as both you and I are not in a position to do the repairs ourselves.If you ever attempt to repair a deck you will soon have some compassion for the slow techs that are the bain of our lives.In case you have not noticed by reading reports on Naktalk ---the quicker you get them back--the more the repair costs! It makes you think doesn't it? I am afraid we have to live with the problem as this is not a normal situation. If free enterprise had run its course there would not have been a repair man in sight a long time ago! It is so easy to inform people what they have to do,but actually doing it is the difficult part! A repair of a Rolls Royce is approached and done a different way then a Chev and COSTS appropriately.We dont all want Rollses if we have to pay for them,do we?I cant see how a secretaey can give and estimate on a repair of a NAK ! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mailserver found on list.dsbl.org > What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every > day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his > much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train > for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first > rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he > isn't". > > Luckily I have a talented person within 10 miles, and yea, he's way > backed up all the time, but he (actually his secretary) gives me > reasonable estimates, lets me know if an unexpected delay comes up, and > politely answers any questions I have. And he replaced a counter belt, > auto-reverse, cleaned, demagged and aligned my old dragon for about > $140. He didn't demand $2000 or some astronomical fee to totally > rebuild the thing. > > Yea, I have one of those cushy jobs he trashes, but I made my choice he > made his. I like my five weeks vacation a year, free health-care and > 8-5 schedule. In my spare time I have my own "boutique" business > selling a baseball simulation game, and treat all my customers like they > were my most important customer. Every complaint is dealt with quickly, > politely, and to the satisfaction of both parties. He should strive for > the same. > > Some of the stuff I've heard about ESL and Sank (who evidently has had > peoples decks for YEARS) makes me shake my head. > > Sorry for venting, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail > server found on list.dsbl.org > > Hi everyone, > > After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to > Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did > excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I > showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in > repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his > note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other > side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a > few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. > But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed > his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very > well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, > his fees were very reasonable. > > Here is is note: > > "K: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 21 22:20:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <45DCB785.2030107@rcn.com> Reading Ken's email, I am not surprised. I used to be in that exact boat, many years ago, running an audio service business. I was lucky to be well thought of and had far more work than I wanted. Yet, I treated customers with respect and was a man of my word. At the time, this was more prevalent than these days. Still, I should have known where the world was heading when a customer once said to me: "Technically, you are a genius but in commerce you are a zero (suffers in the translation, but you get the idea :-) )." Bottom line: I do not believe the problem is monopolies, scarceness of parts or any of the other excuses mentioned here. It's just the way people behave nowadays. Peace, -- Ron Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Hi everyone, > > After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to > Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did > excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I > showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in > repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his > note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other > side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a > few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. > But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed > his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very > well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, > his fees were very reasonable. > > Here is is note: > > "K: > > Thanks for thinking of me, I hope all is well with you. > > I worked at Electronics Service Labs for 3 years in the mid 1980's and > did many cassette decks while there. I have several Naks in here now > for work and continue to do them. Here's the situation in the land of > free enterprise reality....there are fewer and fewer of us (qualified, > licensed, experienced) electronics technicians to do the great items > (CT-7000, TU-X1, Naks, etc. properly). Because of this we have more and > more work with fewer and fewer technicians so to turn out a quality > product requires more and more time. Time to get parts (which often are > no longer available from the manufacturer requiring great resources just > to locate suitable replacements), time to test a decades old item, item > to communicate with customers, etc. In addition to that, the basic law > of supply and demand causes an increase in price as fewer and fewer > qualified technicians exist. This is why one has to wait a year or more > and pay the appropriate fees for quality work. When I was a youngster > (33 yrs old) I had a federal lawsuit against an international company > and sought advice from a trusted and wise senior citizen in how to find > the best lawyer. He told me "I he can take your case right away he > either just started or isn't any good". The same holds true for > repairing vintage, quality electronics. The good technicians are always > backed up, and for good reason. The work required to repair is much > greater than I suspect the customer is aware of, that's why guys in my > business close up shop every day. I haven't made livable wages for at > least a decade, I do this because I love what I do. This is not the > same as when you bring in your two old Honda automobile and get it back > within 24 hrs, totally different dynamics driving the vintage > electronics industry. EVERY SINGLE WEEK I GET EMAILS CURSING ME FOR > HAVING AN ITEM IN HERE FOR WHAT THE CUSTOMER THINKS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE > AMOUNT OF TIME. Inappropriate as compared to what? One must be aware > that repairing vintage audio is a changing industry with fewer and fewer > competent players. I see the group messages saying "XYZ had my item for > XYZ months", this being said in a negative manner. I have many > customers pull their items out of here angry about the wait, then > realizing (too late) that their reference point is not appropriate to > quality vintage repair and then beg me to take the item back in. Too > late by that time, I don't get paid enough for that kind of > aggravation. If the consumer would only think about the dynamics behind > the scene. Does the consumer really think a shop wants to have an item > for 12 months? The shop would rather have the $$ in the cash register > much sooner but not if the work is not up to that shop's standards. I > can go on and on but that is the reality of vintage repair in free > enterprise. I have items in here over a year, I try to explain to the > customer the dynamics of vintage repair done right, most of the times I > think the customer thinks I am lying to him. If they only knew that at > Stereo Surgeons I have been working 12 hrs/day, 6 days/week for 2 years > and still can't produce the quality and quantity the customers want > within their desired time frame. If they only knew that the last time I > took anything that remotely resembles a vacation (in their eyes) was in > 1988 (not a misprint, 19 years ago) when I took 4 days off. So this is > why there are so few quality techs and getting fewer by the day. No > livable wages, no appreciation, and unless you love what you do (as do > I), no reason to do this. What I find interesting is the biggest > complainers about time and price are the people farthest removed from > the reality of free enterprise, people who are paid by taxpayers, so > called "cival service workers", teachers, etc.. They get 3, 4, 5, 6, or > more weeks of vacation/year, sick days, personal days, health benefits, > retirement benefits, can retire after 20 or 30 years. I GET NONE OF > THAT AND NEITHER DOES ANY OTHER QUALITY VINTAGE TECHNICIAN I KNOW WHO > PARTICIPATES IN THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM. > > Wow, I needed to get that off my chest. So, please, when you guys start > to complain about having to wait and pay you may want to consider if > your perceptions are in the most appropriate perspective. I have no > association with Electronics Service Labs, this rant was in general > defense of all qualified, vintage technicians who, as the late Rodney > Dangerfield would say, "get no respect". > > Sincerely, > > Ken Bernacky > President, Stereo Surgeons, Inc." From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 22:20:49 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:20:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DC976D.6030406@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17052.50054.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I don't know about plumbers, dentists or contractors, but I do know about lawyers being one myself. If a lawyer fails to communicate with his client, keep him reasonably informed about the status of the matter about which he or she has been retained or fails to respond for requests for information regarding the matter, the lawyer is in violation of the Rules of Professional Responsibility which could lead to disciplinary action up to and including suspension from the practice of law or disbarment. Larry Ron wrote: Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for your customers. But, let's be realistic... IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to postpone confrontation with the customer as much as possible, to spend as little time with then as possible and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even a consideration. This is true for the audio repair business, but also for your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, in fact, as to be the norm. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything required > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer and give > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this with > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > -Tim > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > > wrote: > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > actually what > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > tell > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > to take > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > targets > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > tell > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > breakdown or > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, letters or > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > customer > has expectations. .....We servicelings > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 21 22:33:53 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:33:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I have every sympathy for the guy but this does not detract from the core of the argument, which is that the supplier should keep open communications with the customer so the latter knows what is going on. Just because some customers don't realise how hard the tech's job is, or how little reward there allegedly is in doing it, is no excuse for bad manners ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick Sent: 21 February 2007 20:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Hi everyone, After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to Ken at Stereo Surgeons. H..... Here is is note: "K: Thanks for thinking of me, I hope all is well with you. I worked at Electronics Service Labs for 3 years in the mid 1980's and did many cassette decks while there. ..... Wow, I needed to get that off my chest. So, please, when you guys start to complain about having to wait and pay you may want to consider if your perceptions are in the most appropriate perspective. I have no association with Electronics Service Labs, this rant was in general defense of all qualified, vintage technicians who, as the late Rodney Dangerfield would say, "get no respect". Sincerely, Ken Bernacky President, Stereo Surgeons, Inc." ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 21 22:35:59 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:35:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070221134525.0085be50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: 21 February 2007 19:45 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction There is a completely parted out ZX 7 on eBay. He had an eject problem, and scrapped the whole thing. SAD. I am bidding on the major mechanism, and wanted to give a heads up to anyone needing cosmetic parts, knob, or the door. I am not aware of ZX 7 meter problems, but would it be wise to purchase those boards for reserve? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 21 22:38:48 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:38:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Long Term Naks In-Reply-To: <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000501c754ef$b2807b30$6701a8c0@main> <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long haul and easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty durable, but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything with auto azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or later. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Feb 21 22:48:41 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:48:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Long Term Naks In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <000501c754ef$b2807b30$6701a8c0@main> <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702211348o4d2e5dfagd70ec4207088ea05@mail.gmail.com> As nearly as I can tell at this point my 582 is seeming the most durable of all the NAKs I own or have owned. I don't know why, I just have absolutely no problems with it, it's performance has never so much as wavered, and it has never, to this day, needed aligning. Hell, the belts and idler tire are still original. Some of it might be the lack of automation of the bias and azimuth tuning and other sensitive controls ... That's not to say that all 580s will be like this, nor to say that they beat others that I don't own (never actually owned a Dragon, for instance). -Tim On 2/21/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long haul > and easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty > durable, but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything > with auto azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or > later. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 22:58:09 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:58:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:13:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: I went back and looked at my records. I sent him the unit around June 24th, 2005 and got it back around July 28th. The total charge was $950. Note that the service done was a complete overhaul, replacement and modification, covering every aspect of the deck. Hi Fred, This makes me think I really did get screwed. I sent my ZX-7 to them only 7 months later. The estimate was a little ambiguous, but seemed to say that if I ordered a complete rebuild, it would be done soon, but "if it needed diagnosis" ( a repair job) it would take 6-8 months. I opted for the full rebuild with the hope I'd get it back sooner rather than later. The estimate also gave a price range of from slightly less than $900 to slightly less than $1300 "depending on whether or not it needed new heads, etc." My deck did not need new heads, but they did do a "modification to the headphone amp" which I wouldn't have wanted if I was asked, because I never, ever, use headphones with this deck. The final bill was more than 10% above the high estimate, not including shipping. With shipping, it came to $1535. Again, I'm just stating the facts. It took 54 weeks for the job to be completed, and they ignored my 2 polite emails after 10 months trying to find out what was going on. So you got treated pretty well, in comparison to me. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 21 23:11:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:11:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Long Term Naks In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.e du> References: <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000501c754ef$b2807b30$6701a8c0@main> <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070221161113.0085bab0@earthlink.net> Good question! Unfortunately, the more features a deck has the more parts there are that break or wear out. I suppose the simple answer is the BX1, since the tire is DIY. The CR4 seems to be pretty good with more features. I would choose a manual azimuth unit over any auto azimuth version. I like them all, really. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75600.ABEFF3FF" So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long haul and easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty durable, but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything with auto azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or later. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 23:11:27 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:11:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D35@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20070221221127.95906.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Derrick, How I agree with you. You hit the bulls eye. I would have never sent my deck to Steve Sank or Technetron if I had known they would keep my decks almost forever. I would have trashed them and looked for another deck.Period. Ram "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: What a tool. If he has SO much demand, competitors dropping out every day and can't make a "livable" wage he doesn't know how to apply his much beloved free enterprise very well. Hire some apprentices to train for the job, take a vacation, and stop being a curmudgeon. The first rule of free enterprise is "the customer is always right, even when he isn't". Luckily I have a talented person within 10 miles, and yea, he's way backed up all the time, but he (actually his secretary) gives me reasonable estimates, lets me know if an unexpected delay comes up, and politely answers any questions I have. And he replaced a counter belt, auto-reverse, cleaned, demagged and aligned my old dragon for about $140. He didn't demand $2000 or some astronomical fee to totally rebuild the thing. Yea, I have one of those cushy jobs he trashes, but I made my choice he made his. I like my five weeks vacation a year, free health-care and 8-5 schedule. In my spare time I have my own "boutique" business selling a baseball simulation game, and treat all my customers like they were my most important customer. Every complaint is dealt with quickly, politely, and to the satisfaction of both parties. He should strive for the same. Some of the stuff I've heard about ESL and Sank (who evidently has had peoples decks for YEARS) makes me shake my head. Sorry for venting, but that just rubbed me the wrong way. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Hi everyone, After reading the posts about ESL and Sank, I decided to send a note to Ken at Stereo Surgeons. He worked on a high end tuner for me and did excellent work at a excellent price. It is a Yamaha ct 7000. Anyway, I showed him a post about ESL thinking maybe he could lend his help in repairs. He responded with a bit of a rant. He said I could repost his note. I thought it might be good for us to see things from the other side a bit. He did tell me he has a RX 505 and a couple of T100's and a few Naks on the bench but is too busy to take new Naks at the moment. But he said in a while he would be available to help out if we needed his services. Anyway, I like the guy and he communicated with me very well via email and telephone when he restored my Ct 7000. Like I said, his fees were very reasonable. Here is is note: "K: ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 23:12:32 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:12:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: <45DCC3D0.1020200@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: " I neglected to say, "All present excluded" :-) Just recently a dentist sprang an unpleasant surprise on me ("No, it can't be done this way" after committing to me that it could) when I was sitting in the hot seat, mouth filled with metallic objects and bleeding profusely. No, I cannot leave in the middle of a complex and super expensive course of treatment and he well knows it. There is no question in my mind that as he looks at me he doesn't see me. All he sees are dollar signs... Integrity is not even a consideration. If you treat your customers with integrity and respect, then I envy them. However, you are in a small (nay, tiny minority)." Ken says: OK, since I am excluded, my feelings are not hurt! :-) But really, If you really think your dentist is thinking dollars during treatment, you should look around. There are doctors that think this way. I know them and despise them. We have a big advantage over our patients. We know so very much more about what they need that we can take advantage of them and they would never know it. I inform my patients and try to get them involved in the decision making process and give them options when I can. Sometimes I too run into a problem during a procedure, and I must stop and change the course of treatment. And I always stop and let my office manager discuss with them any fee changes. I always feel some guilt for not anticipating the complication, but it just happens. But I would be very upset if I ever thought a patient thought I just wanted to do something more expensive. Most of the time, it is actually the opposite. I went in to fix something and found out it can't be done. So instead of a 1000.00 dollar procedure it gets bumped to a 200.00 dollar surgical procedure... I have to just extract the tooth etc. Good dentists have plenty of work to do. There is no need to over treat or cheat patients. They will figure it out eventually and you won't be so busy anymore. Really, good doctors are not in it for the money. The money comes from taking good care of the patients. Then they will take care of the doctor. I see it everyday. From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Feb 21 23:13:43 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:13:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1500.00 for a ZX-7 that didnt even get a full Sank Style modification? Are you mad? I saw one in excellent condtion with all new caps by a forum member for sale for 300.00 last year ( are u lurking Doan Hoag?). Unfortunately money was tight at the time. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:58:09 -0600, wrote: > In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:13:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > flifton at mac.com writes: > > I went back and looked at my records. I sent him the unit around June > 24th, > 2005 and got it back around July 28th. The total charge was $950. Note > that > the service done was a complete overhaul, replacement and modification, > covering every aspect of the deck. > > > Hi Fred, > This makes me think I really did get screwed. > I sent my ZX-7 to them only 7 months later. The estimate was a little > ambiguous, but seemed to say that if I ordered a complete rebuild, it > would be > done soon, but "if it needed diagnosis" ( a repair job) it would take 6-8 > months. I opted for the full rebuild with the hope I'd get it back > sooner rather > than later. The estimate also gave a price range of from slightly less > than > $900 to slightly less than $1300 "depending on whether or not it needed > new > heads, etc." My deck did not need new heads, but they did do a > "modification > to the headphone amp" which I wouldn't have wanted if I was asked, > because I > never, ever, use headphones with this deck. The final bill was more > than 10% > above the high estimate, not including shipping. With shipping, it > came to > $1535. Again, I'm just stating the facts. It took 54 weeks for the > job to be > completed, and they ignored my 2 polite emails after 10 months trying to > find out what was going on. > So you got treated pretty well, in comparison to me. > Jeff >


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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. -- From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Feb 21 23:19:50 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c75606$6a814e00$0961659b@lcb105> I see a lot of complaints about service from various repair shops. Nobody is perfect however being on the technician side of it, I can understand that sometimes repairs can get quite expensive. On the other hand, the prices I am seeing is TOTALLY outranges! The time frames are even more so! Parts are rare but there are plenty of substitutions. I assume the shop techs are fulltime. Right? I am part time and my turn around time is less than 3 weeks. From my experience, I do have to tear down (rebuild) the decks. The time to disassemble them is trivial. However 11 hours? Sometimes I can see spending that much time but passing it on to the customer? What a rip! I am sure that there are plenty of folks on this forum that repair Naks themselves and maybe be willing to take on a few side jobs. Myself included. With the right equipment, the repairs are easy. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ESL In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:13:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: I went back and looked at my records. I sent him the unit around June 24th, 2005 and got it back around July 28th. The total charge was $950. Note that the service done was a complete overhaul, replacement and modification, covering every aspect of the deck. Hi Fred, This makes me think I really did get screwed. I sent my ZX-7 to them only 7 months later.  The estimate was a little ambiguous, but seemed to say that if I ordered a complete rebuild, it would be done soon, but "if it needed diagnosis" ( a repair job) it would take 6-8 months.  I opted for the full rebuild with the hope I'd get it back sooner rather than later.  The estimate also gave a price range of from slightly less than $900 to slightly less than $1300 "depending on whether or not it needed new heads, etc."   My deck did not need new heads, but they did do a "modification to the headphone amp" which I wouldn't have wanted if I was asked, because I never, ever, use headphones with this deck. The final bill was more than 10% above the high estimate, not including shipping.  With shipping, it came to $1535.  Again, I'm just stating the facts.  It took 54 weeks for the job to be completed, and they ignored my 2 polite emails after 10 months trying to find out what was going on.  So you got treated pretty well, in comparison to me. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 21 23:33:08 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:33:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <308592.97929.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: 21 February 2007 19:45 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction There is a completely parted out ZX 7 on eBay. He had an eject problem, and scrapped the whole thing. SAD. I am bidding on the major mechanism, and wanted to give a heads up to anyone needing cosmetic parts, knob, or the door. I am not aware of ZX 7 meter problems, but would it be wise to purchase those boards for reserve? tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 21 23:47:32 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:47:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2007 2:18:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gjgkerrtx at ktc.com writes: 1500.00 for a ZX-7 that didnt even get a full Sank Style modification? Are you mad? I saw one in excellent condtion with all new caps by a forum member for sale for 300.00 last year ( are u lurking Doan Hoag?). Unfortunately money was tight at the time. This really made me laugh. My ZX-7 was once owned by Hoag. I bought it from the guy he sold it to, who has gone digital. The guy I bought it from said Hoag was practically crying when he sold it. ESL did a full rebuild job on it. I have never made any complaint about the quality of ESL's work. Only their customer service. As far as I know, they did a really good rebuild, it's had all the orange caps replaced, new pinch rollers, belts etc. I'm sure the workmanship is just hunky-dory. It sounds great, and better than my Dragon. I saw the Sank-tified ZX-7 listing on eBay and recognized the screen name as the former owner of my deck. I've never met him. I wondered though, if it was so good, why was he selling it. He also sold another ZX-7 on eBay I think too, and I saw him bid on one. Since I had already bet the farm on my rebuild, I didn't pursue the Sank-tified one. Jeff


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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. -- From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Feb 22 00:03:54 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:03:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:47:32 -0600, wrote: > Hoag was practically crying when he sold it. Doubt it. It seemed to be a good deal, but i asked him to wait a few weeks, but he was in a rush to get rid of it on Ebay. Is it the same unit? Probably, and thats just a guess.. Why did it need a rebuild after it had ostensibly been recapped and brought to specs by Doan? Who knows? -- From flifton at mac.com Wed Feb 21 23:59:59 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:59:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: <200702212221.l1LMLfGE002114@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702212221.l1LMLfGE002114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They all seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) in the mode motor (at least from my own experience and from reading others' comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that have failed in exactly that way, and it's not a very easy repair. FWIW, while I sympathized with that tech's rant, I really took offense at his comment about teachers having lots of vacation time. It's simply not true. I taught High School for a while and it was one of the hardest jobs I've had (including mountain guiding). Most teachers work during the summers, and during the school year, 10-12 hour days are the norm. Perhaps if we gave teachers a little more respect, and salaries commensurate with other professionals, we'd have a better educated populace that was capable of producing more Nakamichi grade electrical engineers (and giving them the communication skills they need to work with their customers). cheers, Fred On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:21 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Hi Tech > Date: February 21, 2007 2:11:13 PM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Long Term Naks > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Good question! Unfortunately, the more features a deck has the > more parts > there are that break or wear out. I suppose the simple answer is > the BX1, > since the tire is DIY. > The CR4 seems to be pretty good with more features. I would choose > a manual > azimuth unit over any auto azimuth version. > > I like them all, really. > > tom brucker > > At 04:38 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> > Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75600.ABEFF3FF" > > > So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long > haul and > easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty > durable, > but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything > with auto > azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or > later. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Agreed, there are some egregious deeds by dentists, but please know that clinical dentistry isn't like a Nak repair. Once you diagnose a Nak there is just one fix and usually one fee. In dentistry things happen and get very screwy. When one is contemplating a routine restoration and it turns out there is deep decay undiagnosed by a radiograph, one can not just plain restore the tooth. A root canal is imperative.....and so the fee is radically different. Unfortunately the patient has no choice, neither does the practitioner. A Nak repair on the other hand when a diagnosis is made should be routine to the experienced technician and they should be aware of the parts availability if they do this for a living. Making a customer wait for months on end after the diagnosis with out one call to inform is negligence, but we can not do a thing about it. Please guys, therefore, do not compare apples and oranges. They are different fruits! That was my opinion. Please respond. Ram( Dr. Ram DDS) Victor Gabrenas wrote: I see a lot of complaints about service from various repair shops. Nobody is perfect however being on the technician side of it, I can understand that sometimes repairs can get quite expensive. On the other hand, the prices I am seeing is TOTALLY outranges! The time frames are even more so! Parts are rare but there are plenty of substitutions. I assume the shop techs are fulltime. Right? I am part time and my turn around time is less than 3 weeks. From my experience, I do have to tear down (rebuild) the decks. The time to disassemble them is trivial. However 11 hours? Sometimes I can see spending that much time but passing it on to the customer? What a rip! I am sure that there are plenty of folks on this forum that repair Naks themselves and maybe be willing to take on a few side jobs. Myself included. With the right equipment, the repairs are easy. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ESL In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:13:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: I went back and looked at my records. I sent him the unit around June 24th, 2005 and got it back around July 28th. The total charge was $950. Note that the service done was a complete overhaul, replacement and modification, covering every aspect of the deck. Hi Fred, This makes me think I really did get screwed. I sent my ZX-7 to them only 7 months later. The estimate was a little ambiguous, but seemed to say that if I ordered a complete rebuild, it would be done soon, but "if it needed diagnosis" ( a repair job) it would take 6-8 months. I opted for the full rebuild with the hope I'd get it back sooner rather than later. The estimate also gave a price range of from slightly less than $900 to slightly less than $1300 "depending on whether or not it needed new heads, etc." My deck did not need new heads, but they did do a "modification to the headphone amp" which I wouldn't have wanted if I was asked, because I never, ever, use headphones with this deck. The final bill was more than 10% above the high estimate, not including shipping. With shipping, it came to $1535. Again, I'm just stating the facts. It took 54 weeks for the job to be completed, and they ignored my 2 polite emails after 10 months trying to find out what was going on. So you got treated pretty well, in comparison to me. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 00:17:55 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL In-Reply-To: <001901c75606$6a814e00$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <331736.93324.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Victor, You are so honest in that posting. The problem is honesty is a disappearing virtue( some may wonder what virtuosity is or was!) Being a dentist, I see a comparison to dentistry with Nak repairs is like comparing apples and Oranges. Agreed, there are some egregious deeds by dentists, but please know that clinical dentistry isn't like a Nak repair. Once you diagnose a Nak there is just one fix and usually one fee. In dentistry things happen and get very screwy. When one is contemplating a routine restoration and it turns out there is deep decay undiagnosed by a radiograph, one can not just plain restore the tooth. A root canal is imperative.....and so the fee is radically different. Unfortunately the patient has no choice, neither does the practitioner. A Nak repair on the other hand when a diagnosis is made should be routine to the experienced technician and they should be aware of the parts availability if they do this for a living. Making a customer wait for months on end after the diagnosis with out one call to inform is negligence, but we can not do a thing about it. Please guys, therefore, do not compare apples and oranges. They are different fruits! That was my opinion. Please respond. Ram( Dr. Ram BDS) Victor Gabrenas wrote: I see a lot of complaints about service from various repair shops. Nobody is perfect however being on the technician side of it, I can understand that sometimes repairs can get quite expensive. On the other hand, the prices I am seeing is TOTALLY outranges! The time frames are even more so! Parts are rare but there are plenty of substitutions. I assume the shop techs are fulltime. Right? I am part time and my turn around time is less than 3 weeks. From my experience, I do have to tear down (rebuild) the decks. The time to disassemble them is trivial. However 11 hours? Sometimes I can see spending that much time but passing it on to the customer? What a rip! I am sure that there are plenty of folks on this forum that repair Naks themselves and maybe be willing to take on a few side jobs. Myself included. With the right equipment, the repairs are easy. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ESL In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:13:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: I went back and looked at my records. I sent him the unit around June 24th, 2005 and got it back around July 28th. The total charge was $950. Note that the service done was a complete overhaul, replacement and modification, covering every aspect of the deck. Hi Fred, This makes me think I really did get screwed. I sent my ZX-7 to them only 7 months later. The estimate was a little ambiguous, but seemed to say that if I ordered a complete rebuild, it would be done soon, but "if it needed diagnosis" ( a repair job) it would take 6-8 months. I opted for the full rebuild with the hope I'd get it back sooner rather than later. The estimate also gave a price range of from slightly less than $900 to slightly less than $1300 "depending on whether or not it needed new heads, etc." My deck did not need new heads, but they did do a "modification to the headphone amp" which I wouldn't have wanted if I was asked, because I never, ever, use headphones with this deck. The final bill was more than 10% above the high estimate, not including shipping. With shipping, it came to $1535. Again, I'm just stating the facts. It took 54 weeks for the job to be completed, and they ignored my 2 polite emails after 10 months trying to find out what was going on. So you got treated pretty well, in comparison to me. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 22 00:21:46 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:21:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: References: <200702212221.l1LMLfGE002114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45DCD40A.50102@yahoo.ca> The mode problem happens with all Sankyo mechanisms I think? With BX-1/2, the main problems are with orange caps, idler, cam motor and drive motor. Fred Lifton a écrit : > I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They all > seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) in the > mode motor (at least from my own experience and from reading others' > comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that have failed in exactly > that way, and it's not a very easy repair. > > FWIW, while I sympathized with that tech's rant, I really took offense > at his comment about teachers having lots of vacation time. It's > simply not true. I taught High School for a while and it was one of > the hardest jobs I've had (including mountain guiding). Most teachers > work during the summers, and during the school year, 10-12 hour days > are the norm. Perhaps if we gave teachers a little more respect, and > salaries commensurate with other professionals, we'd have a better > educated populace that was capable of producing more Nakamichi grade > electrical engineers (and giving them the communication skills they > need to work with their customers). > > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:21 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com > wrote: > >> *From: *Hi Tech > >> >> *Date: *February 21, 2007 2:11:13 PM PST >> >> *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> *Subject: **Re: [naktalk] Long Term Naks* >> >> *Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> >> >> Good question! Unfortunately, the more features a deck has the more >> parts >> >> there are that break or wear out. I suppose the simple answer is the >> BX1, >> >> since the tire is DIY. >> >> The CR4 seems to be pretty good with more features. I would choose a >> manual >> >> azimuth unit over any auto azimuth version. >> >> >> I like them all, really. >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 04:38 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>>>> >> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> >> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75600.ABEFF3FF" >> >> >> >> So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long >> haul and >> >> easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty durable, >> >> but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything with auto >> >> azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or >> later. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 00:25:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:25:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070221232550.33187.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred I agree with you wholeheartedly. Teachers (most of them like in any profession) are a hard working bunch of people. No one has the right to claim that they work the hardest IMHO. We all work hard. Period. Ram Fred Lifton wrote: I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They all seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) in the mode motor (at least from my own experience and from reading others' comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that have failed in exactly that way, and it's not a very easy repair. FWIW, while I sympathized with that tech's rant, I really took offense at his comment about teachers having lots of vacation time. It's simply not true. I taught High School for a while and it was one of the hardest jobs I've had (including mountain guiding). Most teachers work during the summers, and during the school year, 10-12 hour days are the norm. Perhaps if we gave teachers a little more respect, and salaries commensurate with other professionals, we'd have a better educated populace that was capable of producing more Nakamichi grade electrical engineers (and giving them the communication skills they need to work with their customers). cheers, Fred On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:21 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Hi Tech Date: February 21, 2007 2:11:13 PM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Long Term Naks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Good question! Unfortunately, the more features a deck has the more parts there are that break or wear out. I suppose the simple answer is the BX1, since the tire is DIY. The CR4 seems to be pretty good with more features. I would choose a manual azimuth unit over any auto azimuth version. I like them all, really. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75600.ABEFF3FF" So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long haul and easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty durable, but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. 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URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Feb 22 00:31:33 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:31:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL Message-ID: You're absolutely right!Those so called "rebuilds" are a total rip-off!The only REAL GURU was Stephen Sank.Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Victor Gabrenas[mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] Sent : 2/21/2007 2:19:50 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL I see a lot of complaints about service from various repair shops. Nobody is perfect however being on the technician side of it, I can understand that sometimes repairs can get quite expensive. On the other hand, the prices I am seeing is TOTALLY outranges! The time frames are even more so! Parts are rare but there are plenty of substitutions. I assume the shop techs are fulltime. Right? I am part time and my turn around time is less than 3 weeks. From my experience, I do have to tear down (rebuild) the decks. The time to disassemble them is trivial. However 11 hours? Sometimes I can see spending that much time but passing it on to the customer? What a rip! I am sure that there are plenty of folks on this forum that repair Naks themselves and maybe be willing to take on a few side jobs. Myself included. With the right equipment, the repairs are easy. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Feb 22 00:35:53 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:35:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks- teachers In-Reply-To: References: <200702212221.l1LMLfGE002114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hey Fred. Yea. I am subbing right now becasue I am going to get my teaching certificate. This was my first day of actual classroom experinece other than "headstart" or special ED. Absolutely appalling! What was most horrifying to me was taht the students with the most potential were being systymatically thwarted by disruptive behaviour by the 2/3 of the class that were entirely disinterested in any learning beyond that neceassary to achieve a passing grade. PATHETIC! No doubt there were at a few brilliiant minds with great potenetial in class, but i had to sink down to the level of almost, I would say "4th" grade for many if not most of these High Schoolers to spell out the words for many students. Deplorable! The learning objective was not to understand the lesson, but only to get the answers neccasary to pass the quiz. They didnt understand the form of an outline of an essay. Thats a primary skill for seconaday eduaction! When I wrote it on the board they had no idea what i was doing. Evidently the teacher was merely reading them the answers to the tests. Horrifying! I guess One thing I am encouraged by is I think those kids with the most promise will learn to be great no matter what obstacles. Many students wrere really eager and excited to listen to the lesson, especially when I demanded some of the the other disruptive kids to be quiet. . On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:59:59 -0600, Fred Lifton wrote: > I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They all > seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) in the > mode motor (at least from my own experience and from reading others' > comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that have failed in exactly > that way, and it's not a very easy repair. > > FWIW, while I sympathized with that tech's rant, I really took > offense at his comment about teachers having lots of vacation time. > It's simply not true. I taught High School for a while and it was one > of the hardest jobs I've had (including mountain guiding). Most > teachers work during the summers, and during the school year, 10-12 > hour days are the norm. Perhaps if we gave teachers a little more > respect, and salaries commensurate with other professionals, we'd > have a better educated populace that was capable of producing more > Nakamichi grade electrical engineers (and giving them the > communication skills they need to work with their customers). > > cheers, > Fred > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:21 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> From: Hi Tech >> Date: February 21, 2007 2:11:13 PM PST >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Long Term Naks >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> >> Good question! Unfortunately, the more features a deck has the >> more parts >> there are that break or wear out. I suppose the simple answer is >> the BX1, >> since the tire is DIY. >> The CR4 seems to be pretty good with more features. I would choose >> a manual >> azimuth unit over any auto azimuth version. >> >> I like them all, really. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 04:38 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> >> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C75600.ABEFF3FF" >> >> >> So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long >> haul and >> easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty >> durable, >> but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything >> with auto >> azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem sooner or >> later. >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > -- From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Feb 22 00:37:20 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:37:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <308592.97929.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. -- From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 22 00:47:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:47:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DCDA13.7060207@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/21/2007 1:03:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Just recently a dentist sprang an unpleasant surprise on > me ("No, it can't be done this way" after committing to > me that it could) when I was sitting in the hot seat, > mouth filled with metallic objects and bleeding profusely. > No, I cannot leave in the middle of a complex and super > expensive course of treatment and he well knows it. > There is no question in my mind that as he looks at me he > doesn't see me. All he sees are dollar signs... Integrity > is not even a consideration. > > > Hey, that's capitalism. We'll get even after the revolution. > Jeff Yea... Right... ROFLMAO From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Feb 22 00:48:13 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:48:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DCDA3D.3010507@yahoo.ca> When rebuilding these motors, wouldn't it be a good idea to put ProtectIT or ShieldIT on them after buffing up the commutator? Bansijeff at aol.com a écrit : > In a message dated 2/21/2007 3:11:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > flifton at mac.com writes: > > I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They > all seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) > in the mode motor (at least from my own experience and from > reading others' comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that > have failed in exactly that way, and it's not a very easy repair. > > I'll ditto that. The only CR I've had that lasted this long was a > factory refurbished CR-3A which I bought from SF Stereo in 1990. > It had the original motors replaced with later motors which were > designed to avoid this problem. This problem almost always crops up > when the deck is not regularly used. I have a CR 3 and a CR 4 both of > which I bought off Craigslist which worked on pickup, only to go bad > right away. It turns out that the oxidation or carbon, whatever it > is, happens at the point that the motors were resting, and when the > motors sooner or later rest again in that very place, they won't start. > Jeff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 22 01:03:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:03:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <17052.50054.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <17052.50054.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DCDDC2.3080701@rcn.com> didn't mean to touch raw nerves... A dentist didn't like that I mentioned dentists and now you don't like that I mentioned lawyers. Yet I've had bad luck with both -- won't bore you with the horror stories, but how about a lawyer that charged almost $3K up front, then didn't answer nor returned phone calls for a few months, then informed the client (through an acquaintance, no less) that he can't deal with the case (with an idiotic, obviously false, excuse)? How was he better than ESL? Oh, what he did was unlawful? Good to know, but kinda useless, don't you think. The client won't (and he knows that the client won't) take him to court. Where do you think do all these lawyer jokes come from? Pure imagination? -- Ron Larry Sachs wrote: > Ron, > > I don't know about plumbers, dentists or contractors, but I do know > about lawyers being one myself. If a lawyer fails to communicate with > his client, keep him reasonably informed about the status of the matter > about which he or she has been retained or fails to respond for requests > for information regarding the matter, the lawyer is in violation of the > Rules of Professional Responsibility which could lead to disciplinary > action up to and including suspension from the practice of law or > disbarment. > > Larry > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for > your customers. But, let's be realistic... > > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even > a consideration. > > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, > in fact, as to be the norm. > > -- Ron > > > > Tim Skorick wrote: > > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything > required > > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer > and give > > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this > with > > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > > > -Tim > > > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > > > wrote: > > > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > > actually what > > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > > tell > > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > > to take > > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > > targets > > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > > tell > > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > > breakdown or > > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, > letters or > > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On > > Behalf Of Hi Tech > > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > > customer > > has expectations. .....We servicelings > > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > > > tom brucker From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Feb 22 01:06:09 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:06:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005a01c75615$44571c50$0961659b@lcb105> I have a couple of CR7's. One of them had an issue with the azimuth motor. I disassembled it, cleaned the contacts and lubed the bearings. No trouble since. I also made sure the brushes had enough pressure. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In a message dated 2/21/2007 3:11:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, flifton at mac.com writes: I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They all seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) in the mode motor (at least from my own experience and from reading others' comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that have failed in exactly that way, and it's not a very easy repair. I'll ditto that.  The only CR I've had that lasted this long was a factory refurbished CR-3A which I bought from SF Stereo in 1990. It had the original motors replaced with later motors which were designed to avoid this problem.  This problem almost always crops up when the deck is not regularly used.  I have a CR 3 and a CR 4 both of which I bought off Craigslist which worked on pickup, only to go bad right away.  It turns out that the oxidation or carbon, whatever it is, happens at the point that the motors were resting, and when the motors sooner or later rest again in that very place, they won't start. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 22 01:09:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:09:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Long Term Naks In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <000501c754ef$b2807b30$6701a8c0@main> <52374.86065.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D3E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <45DCDF1E.2020307@rcn.com> Beckner, Derrick wrote: > So, which Naks are the most durable? Likely to last for the long haul > and easier to repair? The original 600, 700, 1000 seem to be pretty > durable, but belts will be a problem sooner or later I assume. Anything > with auto azimuth, ABLE, auto-biasing etc is bound to be a problem > sooner or later. Not necessarily. Look at the CR series. I predict the much aspersed Sankyo transport will survive for a long time. -- Ron From backmd at comcast.net Thu Feb 22 01:11:47 2007 From: backmd at comcast.net (backmd at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:11:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: <022220070011.23735.45DCDFC30001F13B00005CB722070210530B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> This country was founded by people with significant wisdom. When the constitution was originally drafted it specified no barristers to create a more perfect union. The word barrister means attorneys. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ron > > didn't mean to touch raw nerves... A dentist didn't > like that I mentioned dentists and now you don't like > that I mentioned lawyers. > > > Yet I've had bad luck with both -- won't bore you with > the horror stories, but how about a lawyer that charged > almost $3K up front, then didn't answer nor returned > phone calls for a few months, then informed the client > (through an acquaintance, no less) that he can't deal > with the case (with an idiotic, obviously false, excuse)? > > How was he better than ESL? Oh, what he did was > unlawful? Good to know, but kinda useless, don't you > think. The client won't (and he knows that the client > won't) take him to court. > > Where do you think do all these lawyer jokes come > from? Pure imagination? > > -- Ron > > > > Larry Sachs wrote: > > Ron, > > > > I don't know about plumbers, dentists or contractors, but I do know > > about lawyers being one myself. If a lawyer fails to communicate with > > his client, keep him reasonably informed about the status of the matter > > about which he or she has been retained or fails to respond for requests > > for information regarding the matter, the lawyer is in violation of the > > Rules of Professional Responsibility which could lead to disciplinary > > action up to and including suspension from the practice of law or > > disbarment. > > > > Larry > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for > > your customers. But, let's be realistic... > > > > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught > > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to > > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as > > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible > > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even > > a consideration. > > > > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for > > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) > > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, > > in fact, as to be the norm. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Tim Skorick wrote: > > > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > > > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything > > required > > > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer > > and give > > > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this > > with > > > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > > > actually what > > > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > > > tell > > > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > > > to take > > > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > > > targets > > > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > > > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > > > tell > > > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > > > breakdown or > > > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, > > letters or > > > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > > > > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On > > > Behalf Of Hi Tech > > > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > > > > > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > > > customer > > > has expectations. .....We servicelings > > > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > > > > > tom brucker > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 22 01:16:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:16:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: long-term Naks In-Reply-To: <45DCDA3D.3010507@yahoo.ca> References: <45DCDA3D.3010507@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <45DCE0E0.6070706@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > When rebuilding these motors, wouldn't it be a good idea to put > ProtectIT or ShieldIT on them after buffing up the commutator? I do, except that i use contact cleaner with lub. Rebuilding a motor a motor every 20 years doesn't seem like a big problem to me. -- Ron > > Bansijeff at aol.com a écrit : >> In a message dated 2/21/2007 3:11:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> flifton at mac.com writes: >> >> I don't know if I'd count the CR series as highly reliable. They >> all seem to develop problems with carbon (or some other failure) >> in the mode motor (at least from my own experience and from >> reading others' comments on the list). I've had two CR-3s that >> have failed in exactly that way, and it's not a very easy repair. >> >> I'll ditto that. The only CR I've had that lasted this long was a >> factory refurbished CR-3A which I bought from SF Stereo in 1990. It >> had the original motors replaced with later motors which were designed >> to avoid this problem. This problem almost always crops up when the >> deck is not regularly used. I have a CR 3 and a CR 4 both of which I >> bought off Craigslist which worked on pickup, only to go bad right >> away. It turns out that the oxidation or carbon, whatever it is, >> happens at the point that the motors were resting, and when the motors >> sooner or later rest again in that very place, they won't start. >> Jeff > From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Feb 22 01:19:24 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:19:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <022220070011.23735.45DCDFC30001F13B00005CB722070210530B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> References: <022220070011.23735.45DCDFC30001F13B00005CB722070210530B03050C0E0D@comcast.net> Message-ID: oh. was that when the robber barons had slaves by any chance? On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:11:47 -0600, wrote: > This country was founded by people with significant wisdom. When the > constitution was originally drafted it specified no barristers to create > a more perfect union. The word barrister means attorneys. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Ron > >> >> didn't mean to touch raw nerves... A dentist didn't >> like that I mentioned dentists and now you don't like >> that I mentioned lawyers. >> >> >> Yet I've had bad luck with both -- won't bore you with >> the horror stories, but how about a lawyer that charged >> almost $3K up front, then didn't answer nor returned >> phone calls for a few months, then informed the client >> (through an acquaintance, no less) that he can't deal >> with the case (with an idiotic, obviously false, excuse)? >> >> How was he better than ESL? Oh, what he did was >> unlawful? Good to know, but kinda useless, don't you >> think. The client won't (and he knows that the client >> won't) take him to court. >> >> Where do you think do all these lawyer jokes come >> from? Pure imagination? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Larry Sachs wrote: >> > Ron, >> > >> > I don't know about plumbers, dentists or contractors, but I do know >> > about lawyers being one myself. If a lawyer fails to communicate with >> > his client, keep him reasonably informed about the status of the >> matter >> > about which he or she has been retained or fails to respond for >> requests >> > for information regarding the matter, the lawyer is in violation of >> the >> > Rules of Professional Responsibility which could lead to disciplinary >> > action up to and including suspension from the practice of law or >> > disbarment. >> > >> > Larry >> > >> > */Ron /* wrote: >> > >> > >> > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for >> > your customers. But, let's be realistic... >> > >> > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught >> > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to >> > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as >> > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible >> > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even >> > a consideration. >> > >> > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for >> > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) >> > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, >> > in fact, as to be the norm. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > Tim Skorick wrote: >> > > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, >> > > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything >> > required >> > > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer >> > and give >> > > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this >> > with >> > > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. >> > > >> > > -Tim >> > > >> > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* >> > > > wrote: >> > > >> > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not >> > > actually what >> > > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to >> > > tell >> > > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going >> > > to take >> > > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those >> > > targets >> > > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good >> > > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically >> > > tell >> > > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental >> > > breakdown or >> > > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, >> > letters or >> > > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. >> > > >> > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On >> > > Behalf Of Hi Tech >> > > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 >> > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL >> > > >> > > >> > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The >> > > customer >> > > has expectations. .....We servicelings >> > > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. >> > > >> > > tom brucker >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 22 01:27:00 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:27:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: > Bob > > I'll contact you off-list > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Bob Naylor > *Sent:* 21 February 2007 22:33 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction > > Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has > but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and > look to see how many he has. > Bob > > */Graham Nelson /* wrote: > > I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. > > Gra' > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 22 01:28:13 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:28:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor Message-ID: <45DCE39D.6030509@rcn.com> Some time ago someone offered for sale reel motors for Sankyo transports. I intended to contact the person, but now can't find the post. Has anyone kept a copy? -- Ron From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 22 01:33:09 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:33:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> References: <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> Message-ID: <45DCE4C5.1060307@cox.net> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: > I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the > cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the > knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am > missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they > just get in my way. :-) > > Graham Nelson wrote: >> Bob >> >> I'll contact you off-list >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Bob Naylor >> *Sent:* 21 February 2007 22:33 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction >> >> Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has >> but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back >> and look to see how many he has. >> Bob >> >> */Graham Nelson /* wrote: >> >> I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. >> >> Gra' >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 02:16:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:16:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <45DCE4C5.1060307@cox.net> Message-ID: <20070222011611.22634.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nakdoc could be Tom Brucker. Just a guess. Ram Tim Barrett wrote: Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Thu Feb 22 03:44:16 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:44:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners References: <45DCA53A.4020108@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <058f01c7562b$58898b20$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? Even taking overhead into account, I think there are some pretty livable wages being made here. From lenaw at flash.net Thu Feb 22 03:51:37 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <058f01c7562b$58898b20$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <426758.72931.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> $100 per hour and 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year in best case scenerio yields $208,000 per repair engineer. With all respect, I cannot complaint if I could make that much as well. I definitely will make sure my customer(s) are satisfied and happy !!! Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? Even taking overhead into account, I think there are some pretty livable wages being made here. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 03:52:28 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <058f01c7562b$58898b20$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <20070222025228.14223.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dennis, I ditto that comment. I remember when doctors complained after the advent of managed care that they were not making money like they used to. They used to make (some I know) close to a Million a year and after managed care they made close to half or a third of that. I could still live with $350,000 a year.No complaint. The tech cribbing was akin to that! yes they do make a good living wage. lets face it. no one makes a career out of a hobby.LOL Ram Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? Even taking overhead into account, I think there are some pretty livable wages being made here. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 03:55:27 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:55:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <426758.72931.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <743738.20348.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep. By the way the Aiwa xs 9000 was abruptly pulled by ebay just now. I was bidding on the deck! Wonder why! Ram LENA WONG wrote: $100 per hour and 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year in best case scenerio yields $208,000 per repair engineer. With all respect, I cannot complaint if I could make that much as well. I definitely will make sure my customer(s) are satisfied and happy !!! Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? Even taking overhead into account, I think there are some pretty livable wages being made here. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Best Soumi From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Thu Feb 22 04:12:11 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:12:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners References: <20070222025228.14223.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <076001c7562f$3e7a42c0$9e274446@a72400shuttle> I'm sure there is a substantial markup on parts, too, over and above the labor charges. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Feb 22 04:12:39 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:12:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <743738.20348.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157107.14559.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somebody probably offers the seller a BIN price so high that the seller cannot refuse to pull it off the auction. This AIWA is the best the company has offered in their entire deck lineup in the past. Look at the asking prices on the TEAC 6030S and 8030S right now on ebay and you can imagine the TEAC Z-6000 is a big bargain which I consider is the better deck of the two ( both buit and electronic quality ). shanti ramachandran wrote: Yep. By the way the Aiwa xs 9000 was abruptly pulled by ebay just now. I was bidding on the deck! Wonder why! Ram LENA WONG wrote: $100 per hour and 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year in best case scenerio yields $208,000 per repair engineer. With all respect, I cannot complaint if I could make that much as well. I definitely will make sure my customer(s) are satisfied and happy !!! Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? 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Ususally when the buyer ends it it still shows item but says its not available anymore. Just an observation of mine. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Somebody probably offers the seller a BIN price so high that the seller cannot refuse to pull it off the auction. This AIWA is the best the company has offered in their entire deck lineup in the past. Look at the asking prices on the TEAC 6030S and 8030S right now on ebay and you can imagine the TEAC Z-6000 is a big bargain which I consider is the better deck of the two ( both buit and electronic quality ). shanti ramachandran wrote: Yep. By the way the Aiwa xs 9000 was abruptly pulled by ebay just now. I was bidding on the deck! Wonder why! Ram LENA WONG wrote: $100 per hour and 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year in best case scenerio yields $208,000 per repair engineer. With all respect, I cannot complaint if I could make that much as well. I definitely will make sure my customer(s) are satisfied and happy !!! Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? 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Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Feb 22 04:25:37 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] good business / good manners Message-ID: <45DD0D31.9070001@cox.net> Most of us have certainly been on the customer side of a service counter before, and some of us have been on both sides. I've done my time on both sides. One lesson I learned early in that career is that customers were always happy with a repair done correctly and done in a reasonable time. If you hit those two right, price was practically unimportant (within a reasonable amount of replacement cost of the unit, of course). If the repair wasn't done well the customer was unhappy, regardless of cost or time spent. Doing the repair correctly was the prime factor. This does not mean that a technician has a license to gouge customers, because as a tech you want your happy customers to return and you also want them to tell their friends about how good you are. So you have to price the labor bill according to some rational scale for the complexity of the work done. Make a profit, but make it a rational and defendable profit. In the shops that I worked there were multiple techs, each with their own strong and weak suits. 'A' was good with video, 'B' was good with tuners and amps, 'C' good with electro-mechanical (tt's, tapes) and so on. When work is plentiful AB and C would stick with their strong suits. But if 'A' ran out of video work, he might pick up some excess 'B' work to keep busy. And A's labor charges could well differ from B's labor charges. So a bill for a certain repair can vary within a shop, depending on which technician did the work. And the quality of that work can vary, too, and not necessarily in concert with the bill. As a customer it is easy to do some simple math (he charged me $100 for an hours work!) and assume that the tech is making $100 an hour, but that isn't so. In all of the shops with which I am familiar, the techs live on their commissions. There are no hourly wages. Plus, all of a technician's time is not billed to customer repairs. There is time dealing with stocking parts, answering questions, taking phone calls, ordering generic supplies, dealing with test equipment issues and so on. And at least at the shops I worked in, the technician is pocketing either 50% of the labor and 0% of parts cost, or 40% of labor and 10% of parts cost. It varies from place to place. So, if this technician is working at 80% efficiency for billing time he may be getting paid $32 to $40 of that labor amount. The remaining labor amount covers shop overhead. I supported myself for 14 years as a repair tech, with no company vacation or health care benefits. Hours were flexible and working conditions were casual. The music was good. Some weeks the pay was great, some weeks it sucked. I got out when I needed dependable income and health benefits. It is possible for a technician to make a reasonable wage, do the repair work correctly, and turn it around in a reasonable amount of time. Some techs are better at it than others. Some have much better customer skills than others. That's just the way people are. When you find a good technician who can get it all right, stick with him and tell your friends. Tim Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Feb 22 04:26:39 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:26:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ESL Message-ID: <000001c75631$441ff600$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 Naks for me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 years. ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail parts, do appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a 'new' Nak, they would be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth is that the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 years ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took longer than others, but I'd say the average was about 6 or 7 months. Since they are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete re-build, it's not surprising they are that busy. I've also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done by Tom Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is routine maintenance, and your deck doesn't need special components like motors or heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my decks before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, and tools to work on any Nak. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Feb 22 04:31:42 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:31:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <000001c75631$441ff600$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <529982.71892.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I totally agree. rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 Naks for me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 years. ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail parts, do appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a ‘new’ Nak, they would be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth is that the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 years ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took longer than others, but I’d say the average was about 6 or 7 months. Since they are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete re-build, it’s not surprising they are that busy. I’ve also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done by Tom Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is routine maintenance, and your deck doesn’t need special components like motors or heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my decks before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, and tools to work on any Nak. Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Feb 22 05:43:35 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:43:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners Message-ID: Hi Gra' You wrote.-I would (will?) however, now consider some of the alternative service techs in the US who correspond in this forum - exchange rates being what they are, it might even be cheaper for me to post a unit to the US for repair than to B&W. Really I don't agreed!!! Such with patience & or good will to do it right, of the British technician...the Americans don't had!!! Second you never will cognised how your "Embarked" Nak unit arrive there & back to you after all the reparation issue...when in UK you can take by yourself the deck to B&W fellows & get back 100% with NO damaged. For so...really If "Our Lord"...will allow me so...I will travel when, my lovely gifted Dragon will be "Severed" ill!!! Peace, Alex. > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:19:44 +0000> > Hi Ron, et al> > Pressures of business be damned! Dealing with customers, who may well be irate or awkward, is part of being in business, or should be, and if a tech or whoever isn't prepared to handle them they ought not BE in business on their own account. If they can't stand the heat they ought not be in the kitchen. > > Even so, I don't know about things in the States but you're right about it being a common practice in the UK, with some notable exceptions. Nevertheless, it IS a bad business practice, not just discourteous because, where ever possible customers tend to avoid returning to suppliers who lack courtesy. It's in our power, as customers, to insist on good service and making sure even monopoly suppliers give us what we want - e.g. why pay 100% of repair/rebuild costs up front? Why not withhold a percentage? Why should we? We don't know them personally or the state of their business. For all we know they could be dogged by personal or health issues, or their business may be in danger of going belly-up anyway. If the supplier refuses to play ball, then negotiate, e.g. rebuild cost is $1000 and timing is 3 months? Okay - offer to pay $250 up front, the balance of $800 on completion and a $200 bonus after delivery if the work is completed satisfactorily inside 3 months. We !> don't have to put up with this cr#p. Personally, I did have in mind to only use one particular specialist for my ZX9 but I wasn't satisfied with the communications (or lack of them) I got regarding other matters and so switched my custom to the much nearer B&W. I would (will?) however, now consider some of the alternative service techs in the US who correspond in this forum - exchange rates being what they are, it might even be cheaper for me to post a unit to the US for repair than to B&W.> > Gra'> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Ron> Sent: 21 February 2007 19:03> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners> > > > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for> your customers. But, let's be realistic...> > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught> up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to> postpone confrontation with the customer as much as> possible, to spend as little time with then as possible> and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even> a consideration.> > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for> your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?)> those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common,> in fact, as to be the norm.> > -- Ron> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis Orr wrote: Reading some of these messages, and seeing how busy the techs are and how much some repairs cost, I find it very hard to believe that these guys can't or aren't making a "living wage". ESL charged over $1500 for 11 hours labor, plus I assume parts. What does that mean - $100 an hour or close to it? And constantly busy? 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URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 06:27:34 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:27:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <45DCDDC2.3080701@rcn.com> Message-ID: <323743.98584.qm@web84107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I certainly do not suffer from raw nerves. lol. I'll be the first to admit that lawyers deserve the jokes generated about them. I delight in telling them myself. But if the lawyer screwed the client and the client won't complain that's the clients problem. If he doesn't make a complaint how is anybody to know the lawyer is a bad lawyer? I might suggest that the client need not sue the lawyer, merely file a complaint with the disciplinary board to which the lawyer answers. They investigate these complaints at their own expense. There are also client security funds, at least in my state that the disciplinary board collects from lawyers to reimburse clients who were cheated by their lawyers. Ron wrote: didn't mean to touch raw nerves... A dentist didn't like that I mentioned dentists and now you don't like that I mentioned lawyers. Yet I've had bad luck with both -- won't bore you with the horror stories, but how about a lawyer that charged almost $3K up front, then didn't answer nor returned phone calls for a few months, then informed the client (through an acquaintance, no less) that he can't deal with the case (with an idiotic, obviously false, excuse)? How was he better than ESL? Oh, what he did was unlawful? Good to know, but kinda useless, don't you think. The client won't (and he knows that the client won't) take him to court. Where do you think do all these lawyer jokes come from? Pure imagination? -- Ron Larry Sachs wrote: > Ron, > > I don't know about plumbers, dentists or contractors, but I do know > about lawyers being one myself. If a lawyer fails to communicate with > his client, keep him reasonably informed about the status of the matter > about which he or she has been retained or fails to respond for requests > for information regarding the matter, the lawyer is in violation of the > Rules of Professional Responsibility which could lead to disciplinary > action up to and including suspension from the practice of law or > disbarment. > > Larry > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Tim, if this is how you conduct yourself, then good for > your customers. But, let's be realistic... > > IME, most (I almost said, all) businesses are caught > up in the pressures doing business. The tendency is to > postpone confrontation with the customer as much as > possible, to spend as little time with then as possible > and to charge as much as possible. Courtesy is not even > a consideration. > > This is true for the audio repair business, but also for > your dentist, plumber, lawyer, contractor and most (all?) > those you pay to help you. It's common practice; so common, > in fact, as to be the norm. > > -- Ron > > > > Tim Skorick wrote: > > I'm inclined to agree. I can quote a figure and time frame to start, > > but as a courtesy I don't begin work until I have everything > required > > for the job, and then give a revised time frame to the customer > and give > > them the option to not have it done. I thought everybody did this > with > > tech work that had a lot of variables involved. > > > > -Tim > > > > On 2/21/07, *Graham Nelson* > > > wrote: > > > > It seems to me that the consistent issue of complaint is not > > actually what > > is done or how long it takes to do but in a lack of communication to > > tell > > the customer how long a job will take. If a job is quoted as going > > to take > > 2 weeks, 6 weeks or even 6 months, as soon as the tech' knows those > > targets > > are going to slip it is surely common courtesy, not to mention good > > business, to tell the customer it's going to slip and diplomatically > > tell > > them why. Save for total incapacity, like suffering a mental > > breakdown or > > being in a coma, there is no excuse for not returning emails, > letters or > > telephone calls. It's just bad manners not to do so. > > > > "Call me Old Fashioned" Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ]On > > Behalf Of Hi Tech > > Sent: 21 February 2007 15:37 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ESL > > > > > > There are always two considerations in the repair business. The > > customer > > has expectations. .....We servicelings > > must communicate with our customers AND speak the same language. > > > > tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Thu Feb 22 06:46:59 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:46:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Long term Naks In-Reply-To: <200702220326.l1M3QZn3007582@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: This is one of those enjoyable questions that doesn't have a right answer!! Tim, Agree that the 58X series are likely to survive and offer great performance for a very long time, being basically simple decks with sufficient user adjustment to satisfy me!. but forget to 48x series though either. However, I do have a 500 that is still going extremely well, as are my 600's/600II's, so that is 30+ years with no major drama's. I know there is some concern about capstan belts for the classic naks, but I seem to be getting by OK with an off the shelf belt bought from Trade Tech in Auckland. I haven't got a suitable test tape to check for W&F, but I cannot detect any. B&W have also kindly supplied me with good Classic capstan belts at reasonable prices, but I cannot confirm that these are original.. suspect not. The real determining factor on deck longevity is you, the owner!! any Nakamichi well cared for and serviced.. will probably see you out!.. catastrophic failures aside.. ie: heads, DD motors. I am looking forward to a further 50+ years playing with mine.. after which I will be past caring, if deafness doesn't get me first.! cheers, Martin ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 15:03:39 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <000001c75631$441ff600$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <258513.16279.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Where is ESL located? Bob rjkent at comcast.net wrote: Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 Naks for me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 years. ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail parts, do appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a ‘new’ Nak, they would be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth is that the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 years ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took longer than others, but I’d say the average was about 6 or 7 months. Since they are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete re-build, it’s not surprising they are that busy. I’ve also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done by Tom Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is routine maintenance, and your deck doesn’t need special components like motors or heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my decks before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, and tools to work on any Nak. Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Feb 22 15:25:31 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:25:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <258513.16279.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001c75631$441ff600$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> <258513.16279.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10702220625h41a5f873h47ed2923f114c415@mail.gmail.com> www.eslabs.com On 2/22/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > Where is ESL located? > Bob > > rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > > Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 Naks for > me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 years. > ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail parts, do > appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and > calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a 'new' Nak, they would > be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth is that > the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 years > ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is > essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took longer > than others, but I'd say the average was about 6 or 7 months. Since they > are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete re-build, > it's not surprising they are that busy. > > I've also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done by Tom > Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is routine > maintenance, and your deck doesn't need special components like motors or > heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. > > The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my decks > before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, and > tools to work on any Nak. > > Robert Kent > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 22 15:32:34 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] teaching In-Reply-To: References: <200702212221.l1LMLfGE002114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D43@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Unfortunately that's the result of no discipline and no failures (wouldn't want to hurt Johnny's self esteem) in our school systems. I used to supervise a map library and the lack of basic geographic knowledge, and the horrific scribble that passes as essays, was appalling. And this is at a pretty selective University, not High School. GOOD teachers work their asses off, unfortunately that wonderful union that gives my wife all those fantastic benefits also protects teachers that are utter slugs from being dismissed. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 15:07:17 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:07:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ESL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222080717.00856200@earthlink.net> Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, would it not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps replaced, I'd be happy to do it. tom brucker At 03:31 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >You're absolutely right!Those so called "rebuilds" are a total rip-off!The only REAL GURU was >Stephen Sank.Best regards, > > > >------- Original Message ------- >>From : Victor Gabrenas[mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] >Sent : 2/21/2007 2:19:50 PM >To : naktalk at naks.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL > > I see a lot of complaints about service from various repair shops. Nobody is >perfect however being on the technician side of it, I can understand that >sometimes repairs can get quite expensive. On the other hand, the prices I >am seeing is TOTALLY outranges! The time frames are even more so! Parts are >rare but there are plenty of substitutions. I assume the shop techs are >fulltime. Right? I am part time and my turn around time is less than 3 >weeks. From my experience, I do have to tear down (rebuild) the decks. The >time to disassemble them is trivial. However 11 hours? Sometimes I can see >spending that much time but passing it on to the customer? What a rip! I am >sure that there are plenty of folks on this forum that repair Naks >themselves and maybe be willing to take on a few side jobs. Myself included. >With the right equipment, the repairs are easy. > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >-----Original Message----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 15:32:00 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:32:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <000001c75631$441ff600$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222083200.00856830@earthlink.net> For those of you who think you might need heads, Nakamichis are the only cassette manufacturer that makes relappable heads. Head wear early on causes incomplete tape contact, usually expressed as an inability to set bias levels on the left channel for flat response. Headwear typically cuts grooves in the head, or creates ripples in the metal surface. I remove the head, and using a mylar polishing film, remove (lap) enough metal to reshape the head and eliminate the wear grooves. This operation requires a full set of gauges and tapes to realign the head. Nak 700 and 1000 heads can be relapped twice. 580, 680 at least once (haven't tried it twice). Relapping restores NEW Performance without the cost of a head! Nakamichi trained me in this operation. I may be the only one as my training was in 1979. Bottom line: heads are not a problem unless you have an open coil. tom brucker At 07:26 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 Naks for me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 years. ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail parts, do appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a new Nak, they would be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth is that the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 years ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took longer than others, but Id say the average was about 6 or 7 months. Since they are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete re-build, its not surprising they are that busy. Ive also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done by Tom Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is routine maintenance, and your deck doesnt need special components like motors or heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my decks before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, and tools to work on any Nak. Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 15:07:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:07:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 repair In-Reply-To: <485663.12341.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222080718.008557e0@earthlink.net> bob, i thought i said "yes" tom brucker At 03:08 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> If the local shop cannot fix my ZX7 would anyone here like to try? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 15:17:31 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:17:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <45DCE4C5.1060307@cox.net> References: <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222081731.008567e0@earthlink.net> I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 15:14:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:14:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <45DCE354.8070308@cox.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222081439.00856a40@earthlink.net> Let's try and keep track of the extra stuff we get that others might need, so we don't bid against someone who would gladly send us those parts. tom brucker At 07:27 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Feb 22 17:18:23 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:18:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222080717.00856200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: - fine tuning - re-wiring - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better - and, of course, general maintenance - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned microphone designer.) In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, probably a woman!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 22 February 2007 14:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, would it not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps replaced, I'd be happy to do it. tom brucker From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 17:29:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:29:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <507781.58382.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps so Gra...very few other things could tempt a person away from Naks! Bala Ganesh Graham Nelson wrote: As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: - fine tuning - re-wiring - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better - and, of course, general maintenance - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned microphone designer.) In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, probably a woman!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 22 February 2007 14:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, would it not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps replaced, I'd be happy to do it. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Feb 22 17:29:34 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:29:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Long term Naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45DDC4EE.1000407@peromarta.org> Hi Martin, martin.short at nstarch.com wrote: > I haven't got a suitable test tape to check for W&F, but > I cannot detect any. I can get you one with a remanent 0,02% W&F, that should be able to detect any W&F problem. http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/services.html http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 17:59:23 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222080718.008557e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <71609.7704.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I do remember you saying you're here to help. I assumed that meant "coaching" me through a fix. Sorry, I screwed that up. I had no intention of passing you up. I have to let the local shop finish, or try to get it right. I don't know how long I should leave it there. They replaced the belt which didn't fix it. Several here have said it sounds like a belt issue. I wonder what brand belt they used? The head tech (who did NOT work on it) told me when I dropped it off that some parts for the ZX7 are the same as Yamaha. Have you heard that? This shop deals in high end stereo gear only so they've seen Naks B4. Bob Hi Tech wrote: bob, i thought i said "yes" tom brucker At 03:08 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> If the local shop cannot fix my ZX7 would anyone here like to try? 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He works (or did work) entirely on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, probably a woman!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 22 18:30:00 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] teaching Message-ID: <001801c756a7$1528efc0$6701a8c0@main> Unfortunately the discipline needs to start at home. When I was in school, if you got in trouble it was nothing like the trouble you saw when you got home. All the teachers knew all the parents. Then our great government decided that big schools were the way to go and forced schools to merge into mega schools where no one knows anyone. Sad state of affairs. Now "no child left behind" forces schools to teach "test taking" instead of learning subjects. I am so glad to be retired. Seems like the whole country has gone to you know where. Service, work ethic, everything. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 19:14:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:14:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222081731.008567e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <91973.98215.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 19:19:28 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:19:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] teaching In-Reply-To: <001801c756a7$1528efc0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070222181928.9988.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, I am approaching 50 and know exactly what you are saying. I agree 100%. Ive been fortunate my kids have the discipline I grew up with. And they have a great school and great system within it. Every child... rhetoric is a lot of bull. Call me conservative. I am proud of it. I even feel kids should have uniform, be it private or public schools. It teaches them responsibility right at that age. Jeez is this Naktalk? I am wandering now. LOL Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: Unfortunately the discipline needs to start at home. When I was in school, if you got in trouble it was nothing like the trouble you saw when you got home. All the teachers knew all the parents. Then our great government decided that big schools were the way to go and forced schools to merge into mega schools where no one knows anyone. Sad state of affairs. Now "no child left behind" forces schools to teach "test taking" instead of learning subjects. I am so glad to be retired. Seems like the whole country has gone to you know where. Service, work ethic, everything. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! 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I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Feb 22 19:27:53 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:57:53 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] NAK transport question References: <200702221622.l1MGLZDr017165@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002201c756af$2c8e7e70$0301a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hello all Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? Best Soumi From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 22 20:58:22 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:58:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction References: <3.0.3.32.20070222081439.00856a40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003701c756bb$cf1c9b20$1dd417c4@home> For 2 years I have been trying to get 2 CR7 Cassettewell doors! If anybody can help ,that would be fantastic.( BTW only the CR 5 doors will fit the same aperture--but they have the wrong inscription on them --but for my purposes would do as well) Payment can be effected through PAYPAL. rgds walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction > Let's try and keep track of the extra stuff we get that others might need, > so we don't bid against someone who would gladly send us those parts. > > tom brucker > > At 07:27 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> > I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the > cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is > broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the > covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my > way. > :-) > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > Bob > > I'll contact you off-list > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf > Of Bob Naylor > Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction > > Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if > there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see > how > many he has. > Bob > > Graham Nelson > wrote: > I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. > > Gra' > > > > > ---------- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 22 21:02:30 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:02:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: Message-ID: <005001c756bc$62d70e90$1dd417c4@home> The Russian gentleman. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > Graham, > Are you talking about Misha as apprentice? > > > ------- Original Message ------- >>From : Graham Nelson[mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] > Sent : 2/22/2007 8:18:23 AM > To : naktalk at naks.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: > > - fine tuning > - re-wiring > - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better > - and, of course, general maintenance > - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, > having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned > microphone designer.) > > In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there > are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely > on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an > apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to > take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and > never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, > probably a woman!) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 22 21:07:56 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:07:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction References: <822110.33158.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c756bd$254b2d80$1dd417c4@home> 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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On 2/22/07, drewes wrote: > The Russian gentleman. > walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:14 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > Graham, > > Are you talking about Misha as apprentice? > > > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > >>From : Graham Nelson[mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] > > Sent : 2/22/2007 8:18:23 AM > > To : naktalk at naks.com > > Cc : > > Subject : RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > > > As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: > > > > - fine tuning > > - re-wiring > > - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better > > - and, of course, general maintenance > > - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, > > having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned > > microphone designer.) > > > > In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there > > are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely > > on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an > > apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to > > take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and > > never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, > > probably a woman!) > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Feb 22 20:48:46 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:48:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: Message-ID: <001201c756ba$77902670$1dd417c4@home> Tom Stephen gave a detailed description of what he did to have a CR7 souped up on Naktalk! One should be able to trace it in the Archives.If you cannot find it --I should have it in hard copy somewhere--but as we are in a process of transition it would be quicker if you tried the Archives first. If you cant get anywhere I will search for you in my records--but then pleasse give me time. Stephen was a fantastic Nak problem solver---it's a pity that his nearly daly communication is lost on this forum! rgds walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: > > - fine tuning > - re-wiring > - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better > - and, of course, general maintenance > - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, > having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned > microphone designer.) > > In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there > are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely > on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an > apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to > take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and > never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, > probably a woman!) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: 22 February 2007 14:07 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL > > > Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, would > it > not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be > passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the > caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option > presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps replaced, > I'd be happy to do it. > > tom brucker > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From benstratford at aol.com Thu Feb 22 22:30:05 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:30:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL Message-ID: <8C924DFC09F23A2-4E8-3D2B@FWM-R05.sysops.aol.com> 1000 ZXL collected, I'm now the third owner. First was a BA Pilot living in the Sultanate of Oman - 9 yrs. Second was a fanatical sound recordist (Great Guy) living in UK - 17 yrs. Deck was last fully serviced by B&W in 1998. Since then it has been used regularly. The face is unmarked, a couple of chips on the wood case. All meter lights working well and of consistent brightness. All functions seem to work properly, sounds very nice but only have headphones at the moment until I return home. level meters awesome. Another very lucky result. Last night, recorded a MA-XG on the CR-7, sounds great on the ZXL. A label on the back of the deck shows the tape memory presets are set for A - Kenwood MD, B - Maxell MX, C - Pioneer M1, D - Maxell XL1-S, A good range. Owners manual provided but not original. Collected in person so avoided shipping cost and gained a load of history from the first owner. VERY PLEASED, hopefully the feeling will last. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 22:33:50 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? In-Reply-To: <001201c756ba$77902670$1dd417c4@home> Message-ID: <644198.9307.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have sent this twice but it didn't go through so I tried something different. Bob I just got off the phone with the local shop(Sacramento, CA) that has my ZX7. The first time they replaced the belt which didn't help but now they told me it needed a gear timing adjustment in addition to the belt??????? Does that make any sense to anyone? I won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow (Friday) so I'll let everyone know. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Feb 22 22:35:17 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <8C924DFC09F23A2-4E8-3D2B@FWM-R05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C924DFC09F23A2-4E8-3D2B@FWM-R05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D4A@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Sweet! Can't wait to hear the details. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org 1000 ZXL collected, I'm now the third owner. First was a BA Pilot living in the Sultanate of Oman - 9 yrs. Second was a fanatical sound recordist (Great Guy) living in UK - 17 yrs. Deck was last fully serviced by B&W in 1998. Since then it has been used regularly. The face is unmarked, a couple of chips on the wood case. All meter lights working well and of consistent brightness. All functions seem to work properly, sounds very nice but only have headphones at the moment until I return home. level meters awesome. Another very lucky result. Last night, recorded a MA-XG on the CR-7, sounds great on the ZXL. A label on the back of the deck shows the tape memory presets are set for A - Kenwood MD, B - Maxell MX, C - Pioneer M1, D - Maxell XL1-S, A good range. Owners manual provided but not original. Collected in person so avoided shipping cost and gained a load of history from the first owner. VERY PLEASED, hopefully the feeling will last. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Feb 22 22:37:29 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:37:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] searching archives Message-ID: <008301c756c9$a7fbf0f0$6701a8c0@main> Is there a way to search the archives without calling up every message and reading it month by month, year by year ? That is what I have been trying to do but it sure is not easy or fast. Also a lot of times you cannot depend on the list by author or subject to yield intelligible results. I'm not complaining, just asking. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 22:15:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:15:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? Message-ID: <20070222211504.75693.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just got off the phone with the local shop(Sacramento, CA) that has my ZX7. The first time they replaced the belt which didn't help but now they told me it needed a gear timing adjustment in addition to the belt??????? Does that make any sense to anyone? I won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow (Friday) so I'll let everyone know. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Feb 22 21:21:05 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:21:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] substitutions for muting transistors Message-ID: <001d01c756be$fd9f02a0$0961659b@lcb105> Does anyone know a good sub for a 2SC2878? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 22:54:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:54:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sorrt to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222155424.0085dd30@earthlink.net> I am sorry I posted grim news about a Dragon needing a head, having 3 here from nakTalkers! I promise to contact owners first if there is any terrible parts problem encountered in their repair. The play head unit has been here one year. I have tried to purchase broken Dragons on eBay to no avail and haven't yet given up hope. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 22:39:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:39:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 repair In-Reply-To: <71609.7704.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070222080718.008557e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222153948.00856e80@earthlink.net> My guess is they have discovered a Yamaha belt that works well in a ZX7. Bribe them handsomely for that part number. I am trying Kenwood and Pioneer belts myself. Give them a bit of time. I certainly have needed extra time on some of the repairs I do. Also, with that ZX7 parts auction, I am trying to buy the mechanism. If there is a special part they need let me know. tom brucker At 08:59 AM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I do remember you saying you're here to help. I assumed that meant "coaching" me through a fix. Sorry, I screwed that up. I had no intention of passing you up. I have to let the local shop finish, or try to get it right. I don't know how long I should leave it there. They replaced the belt which didn't fix it. Several here have said it sounds like a belt issue. I wonder what brand belt they used? The head tech (who did NOT work on it) told me when I dropped it off that some parts for the ZX7 are the same as Yamaha. Have you heard that? This shop deals in high end stereo gear only so they've seen Naks B4. Bob Hi Tech wrote: bob, i thought i said "yes" tom brucker At 03:08 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> If the local shop cannot fix my ZX7 would anyone here like to try? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 22:39:47 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:39:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <91973.98215.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070222081731.008567e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222153947.00856e80@earthlink.net> Ram, I can't think of any reason other than the head to scrap a Dragon. What was the problem with it? I am turning into a Dragon expert (having much more experience on older Naks) because NakTalkers are sending them here. Why not contact Stephen and offer him some options? He could bail on the repair, or, if he wants someone to brainstorm solutions, he can call me. I posted yesterday suggesting that NakTalk technicians begin talking with each other. tom brucker At 10:14 AM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech < wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Everyone is raving about <the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 22:39:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:39:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 582 REPAIR In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20070222083200.00856830@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070222083200.00856830@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222153948.008556a0@earthlink.net> Adrian, and all, It is best to ship the whole unit, because the bias calibrations will change (less metal in the head!) Pop off the door cover and get a strong light. Look for the presence of a groove (an edge you can feel with a toothpick. Never probe with metal!!) If you see or feel no groove edge, then you have a tilt alignment issue, not head wear. Nakamichi said that the groove's edge is what causes left channel drops. LP's test cassette would also be useful. If you see a bit of a groove, but don't hear playback problems, check the 15 kHz playback for fairly consistent and even level. If the left channel drops often, then it is time for relapping. If playback is fine you have some life left! Ben has sent a T100 from the UK for service here. He had some customs forms to fill out, but shipping was very quick via Fed Ex. Perhaps Ben could post his experience with shipping costs and form filling-in. tom brucker At 03:52 PM 2/22/07 +0000, you wrote: >hi tom > >that maybe explains the other problem with my 582 > >i thought the head looked slightly worn and i've had trouble setting >the levels on the left channel. > >as you're in the US and I'm in the UK.. would it work shipping over >the transport only to you for jobs such as this. Carefully packed >it'd be so much lighter than the whole deck. > >I've still not managed to free of the pinch pivot either! > >many thanks > >adrian > >On 22 Feb 2007, at 14:32, Hi Tech wrote: > >> For those of you who think you might need heads, Nakamichis are the >> only >> cassette manufacturer that makes relappable heads. Head wear early on >> causes incomplete tape contact, usually expressed as an inability >> to set >> bias levels on the left channel for flat response. Headwear >> typically cuts >> grooves in the head, or creates ripples in the metal surface. I >> remove the >> head, and using a mylar polishing film, remove (lap) enough metal to >> reshape the head and eliminate the wear grooves. This operation >> requires a >> full set of gauges and tapes to realign the head. Nak 700 and >> 1000 heads >> can be relapped twice. 580, 680 at least once (haven't tried it >> twice). >> Relapping restores NEW Performance without the cost of a head! >> Nakamichi >> trained me in this operation. I may be the only one as my training >> was in >> 1979. >> Bottom line: heads are not a problem unless you have an >> open coil. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 07:26 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>> >> >> Okay, my two cents......ESL has rebuilt, to like new condition, 5 >> Naks for >> me. They are all splendid, and should be going strong for another 20 >> years. ESL typically will replace all failed, or known to fail >> parts, do >> appropriate circuit upgrades, and completely clean, lube, align and >> calibrate one of their re-built decks. If you want a new Nak, >> they would >> be the choice I would recommend. They are expensive, but the truth >> is that >> the price is roughly comparable to what the decks cost new about 20 >> years >> ago if you have one of the premium decks like a Dragon, and that is >> essentially what you are buying. As for speed, some of my decks took >> longer than others, but Id say the average was about 6 or 7 >> months. Since >> they are the only shop in the USA with the parts to perform a complete >> re-build, its not surprising they are that busy. >> >> >> >> Ive also had basic repairs, lube, alignment and calibration done >> by Tom >> Brucker, and he does excellent work also.....if what you want is >> routine >> maintenance, and your deck doesnt need special components like >> motors or >> heads replaced, he is an excellent choice too. >> >> >> >> The same can be said for Kannan, who helped me with several of my >> decks >> before he left the San Jose area......he has the knowledge. skills, >> and >> tools to work on any Nak. >> >> >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Feb 22 22:56:14 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:56:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't recall who it was now - it all seems a long time ago! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 22 February 2007 17:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Graham, Are you talking about Misha as apprentice? ------- Original Message ------- >From : Graham Nelson[mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] Sent : 2/22/2007 8:18:23 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: - fine tuning - re-wiring - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better - and, of course, general maintenance - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned microphone designer.) In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, probably a woman!) Gra' -----Original Message----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 21:09:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:09:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? Message-ID: <20070222200904.43869.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just got off the phone with the local shop(Sacramento, CA) that has my ZX7. The first time they replaced the belt which didn't help but now they told me it needed a gear timing adjustment in addition to the belt??????? Does that make any sense to anyone? I won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow (Friday) so I'll let everyone know. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 22:58:47 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:58:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] substitutions for muting transistors In-Reply-To: <001d01c756be$fd9f02a0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222155847.0085fa60@earthlink.net> There isn't one. This has very low leakage current and is used primarily in muting circuits. I can get you some. We generally replace all of them when we find one leaky. The leaky units tended to be certain manufacturing lots. tom brucker At 01:21 PM 2/22/07 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know a good sub for a 2SC2878?i> >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 23:00:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:00:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? In-Reply-To: <20070222211504.75693.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070222160048.00855640@earthlink.net> I can't recall any gears. Maybe it has a sticky pinch roller pivot? Maybe the cam alignment was off? Cam timing is an electronic function. it can partially load the heads and rollers, so that makes sense. tom brucker At 01:15 PM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I just got off the phone with the local shop(Sacramento, CA) that has my ZX7. The first time they replaced the belt which didn't help but now they told me it needed a gear timing adjustment in addition to the belt??????? Does that make any sense to anyone? I won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow (Friday) so I'll let everyone know. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 23:12:26 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:12:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222153948.00856e80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <595760.34434.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I'll see them tomorrow (Friday) and I'll try to get the part # for you. He did say the other day that some transport parts are the same as Yamaha. I'll try to confirm this and get more details. Bob Hi Tech wrote: My guess is they have discovered a Yamaha belt that works well in a ZX7. Bribe them handsomely for that part number. I am trying Kenwood and Pioneer belts myself. Give them a bit of time. I certainly have needed extra time on some of the repairs I do. Also, with that ZX7 parts auction, I am trying to buy the mechanism. If there is a special part they need let me know. tom brucker At 08:59 AM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I do remember you saying you're here to help. I assumed that meant "coaching" me through a fix. Sorry, I screwed that up. I had no intention of passing you up. I have to let the local shop finish, or try to get it right. I don't know how long I should leave it there. They replaced the belt which didn't fix it. Several here have said it sounds like a belt issue. I wonder what brand belt they used? The head tech (who did NOT work on it) told me when I dropped it off that some parts for the ZX7 are the same as Yamaha. Have you heard that? This shop deals in high end stereo gear only so they've seen Naks B4. Bob Hi Tech wrote: bob, i thought i said "yes" tom brucker At 03:08 PM 2/21/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> If the local shop cannot fix my ZX7 would anyone here like to try? Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 23:31:23 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:31:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sorrt to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222155424.0085dd30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <748663.93213.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Is it that only a Dragon head will physically fit a Dragon, or is it an impedence issue? If it's only an impedence issue, could a matching network be made? My other hobby is ham radio and we have to build impedence matching networks to match antenna/feed lines to the transmitters. I guess the other hard part is that the dragon is auto reverse. Or could a head be used from another Nak and give up the playback in the reverse direction? That would be better than junking it or having it sit on the shelf forever. Bob tom brucker wrote: I am sorry I posted grim news about a Dragon needing a head, having 3 here from nakTalkers! I promise to contact owners first if there is any terrible parts problem encountered in their repair. The play head unit has been here one year. I have tried to purchase broken Dragons on eBay to no avail and haven't yet given up hope. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 22 23:38:20 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:38:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222160048.00855640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070222223820.80710.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When you mention "load the heads" he did say something like that after he said gear timing. Bob Hi Tech wrote: I can't recall any gears. Maybe it has a sticky pinch roller pivot? Maybe the cam alignment was off? Cam timing is an electronic function. it can partially load the heads and rollers, so that makes sense. tom brucker At 01:15 PM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I just got off the phone with the local shop(Sacramento, CA) that has my ZX7. The first time they replaced the belt which didn't help but now they told me it needed a gear timing adjustment in addition to the belt??????? Does that make any sense to anyone? I won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow (Friday) so I'll let everyone know. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 00:19:29 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:19:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <001201c756ba$77902670$1dd417c4@home> Message-ID: <431339.14645.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I captured a lot of the comments that Stephen had posted on Naktalk. That is one of the reasons I created my web page. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Search for "Souping up you deck" Scott J. BTW - Steve Ember, your custom remote receiver shipped out today with the 12' cable. drewes wrote: Tom Stephen gave a detailed description of what he did to have a CR7 souped up on Naktalk! One should be able to trace it in the Archives.If you cannot find it --I should have it in hard copy somewhere--but as we are in a process of transition it would be quicker if you tried the Archives first. If you cant get anywhere I will search for you in my records--but then pleasse give me time. Stephen was a fantastic Nak problem solver---it's a pity that his nearly daly communication is lost on this forum! rgds walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: > > - fine tuning > - re-wiring > - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better > - and, of course, general maintenance > - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, > having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned > microphone designer.) > > In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there > are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely > on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an > apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to > take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and > never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, > probably a woman!) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Hi Tech > Sent: 22 February 2007 14:07 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL > > > Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, would > it > not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be > passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the > caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option > presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps replaced, > I'd be happy to do it. > > tom brucker > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Feb 23 00:24:54 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:24:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sorrt to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! Message-ID: <4F508000-45EC-4F98-A69E-994AA392BAF7@alumni.caltech.edu> A dragon playback head has 6 cores. Nothing can substitute for it. In addition to having a forward and reverse (that would be 4 cores, one for each track) one channel of each direction is split into two cores for a total of six. That is what gives it the ability to do NAAC. If you used a different Nak head (assuming you could) you'd lose NAAC as well as autoreverse.-kby From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Fri Feb 23 00:29:13 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:29:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank- NAk MODS In-Reply-To: <001201c756ba$77902670$1dd417c4@home> References: <001201c756ba$77902670$1dd417c4@home> Message-ID: All those Steven Sank reccomended Nakamichi modifications are on the FAQ's on Scott Johnsons website .At one point there was a real dedication to making available the most FAQ's concerning our Naks on Scotts great website. I really think people need to be aware of this. What a great effort by Scott J. I would like Tom Brucker or someone like Steve Ruddick @ AudiotechMontreal to modify a 'Cr7, '505, Dragon or Zx7/9as per the Steven Sank reccomended mods. I don't have link handy for Scotts website. Would someone post it again, again? Luis Peromata also has some very valuable information. On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:48:46 -0600, drewes wrote: > Tom > Stephen gave a detailed description of what he did to have a CR7 souped > up on Naktalk! > One should be able to trace it in the Archives.If you cannot find it --I > should have it in hard copy somewhere--but as we are in a process of > transition it would be quicker if you tried the Archives first. > If you cant get anywhere I will search for you in my records--but then > pleasse give me time. > Stephen was a fantastic Nak problem solver---it's a pity that his nearly > daly communication is lost on this forum! > rgds > walter > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank > > >> As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: >> >> - fine tuning >> - re-wiring >> - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even >> better >> - and, of course, general maintenance >> - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, >> having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a >> renowned >> microphone designer.) >> >> In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless >> there >> are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) >> entirely >> on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an >> apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going >> to >> take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and >> never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, >> probably a woman!) >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Hi Tech >> Sent: 22 February 2007 14:07 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: ESL >> >> >> Since Stephen may have a diminished ability to upgrade Nakamichis, >> would it >> not be wise to document what it is he does, so the quality mods can be >> passed on? Has anyone of his customer asked him? I can replace all the >> caps, any tech can. I've just never been persuaded that that option >> presents a fair value. If a NakTalker wants all the orange caps >> replaced, >> I'd be happy to do it. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 00:30:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:30:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D4A@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <697911.28670.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perfect! Just made my day! I'm sure it will last. BTW, did the unit come loaded with batteries at the back? Best Regards Bala Ganesh "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Sweet! Can’t wait to hear the details. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org 1000 ZXL collected, I'm now the third owner. First was a BA Pilot living in the Sultanate of Oman - 9 yrs. Second was a fanatical sound recordist (Great Guy) living in UK - 17 yrs. Deck was last fully serviced by B&W in 1998. Since then it has been used regularly. The face is unmarked, a couple of chips on the wood case. All meter lights working well and of consistent brightness. All functions seem to work properly, sounds very nice but only have headphones at the moment until I return home. level meters awesome. Another very lucky result. Last night, recorded a MA-XG on the CR-7, sounds great on the ZXL. A label on the back of the deck shows the tape memory presets are set for A - Kenwood MD, B - Maxell MX, C - Pioneer M1, D - Maxell XL1-S, A good range. Owners manual provided but not original. Collected in person so avoided shipping cost and gained a load of history from the first owner. VERY PLEASED, hopefully the feeling will last. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 23 01:20:22 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] UK eBay sold 1000ZXL Message-ID: <8C924F78ADA1531-56C-4098@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Bala, the batteries are present and correct and have not leaked as they sometimes do if not regularly checked. Have now tested the RAMM and Auto ABLE functions also which are fine. This thing is massive - 527mm wide! It puts every other deck in the shade. Switchable power input will be handy for the future, why don't all decks have this like they used to. My dragon does but all the other decks are specific. That's beaurocracy for you! Now need to clear some space to put the thing. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 23 01:22:39 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:22:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! Message-ID: <8C924F7DC5CE0A1-56C-40CD@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Tom, Would the play head out of a TD-1200 mobile deck with NAAC be a substitute for the dragon head? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 23 01:26:23 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:26:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 REPAIR Message-ID: <8C924F86199B1BB-56C-4122@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> I used www.parcel2go.com to send the T-100 to Tom. Posted Mon Lunchtime in South West UK, arrived in Nashville Wed morning. They cost about £55 and the custom forms were easily downloaded from their site. They in fact sub contracted the order to Fedex as they usually do. Booking on line is easy but you need the local phone number of the recipient to complete the process. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 23 01:30:47 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:30:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? Message-ID: <8C924F8FF491E72-56C-414F@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Bob, It sounds like a timing issue with the cam set up which is easily adjusted. Surprised they didn't properly test everything for ages before giving it back to you. It just shows how easy it is to destroy customer confidence through poor basic systems and procedures. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Feb 23 01:37:58 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:37:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <518b7b10702221253yfa9621fg1c422a5ccd4340c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Whoa! BIG difference to a Ukrainian!! Get it wrong and get your nose flattened!! <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 22 February 2007 20:54 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Ukrainian. On 2/22/07, drewes wrote: > The Russian gentleman. > walter > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Feb 23 01:38:02 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:38:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] searching archives In-Reply-To: <008301c756c9$a7fbf0f0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: I've trawled through my archive of NakTalk but regret this is not one I appear to have saved. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Shenefelt Sent: 22 February 2007 21:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] searching archives Is there a way to search the archives without calling up every message and reading it month by month, year by year ? That is what I have been trying to do but it sure is not easy or fast. Also a lot of times you cannot depend on the list by author or subject to yield intelligible results. I'm not complaining, just asking. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Feb 23 01:39:17 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:39:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 REPAIR In-Reply-To: <8C924F86199B1BB-56C-4122@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C924F86199B1BB-56C-4122@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: thanks ben the t100 must be heavy though.. £55 GBP seems expensive.. wasn't royal mail airmail cheaper? I'd love to make use of tom's expertise and the favourable exchange rate, but shipping still seems like so much.. adrian On 23 Feb 2007, at 00:26, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > I used www.parcel2go.com to send the T-100 to Tom. Posted Mon > Lunchtime in South West UK, arrived in Nashville Wed morning. They > cost about £55 and the custom forms were easily downloaded from > their site. They in fact sub contracted the order to Fedex as they > usually do. Booking on line is easy but you need the local phone > number of the recipient to complete the process. Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 23 01:46:33 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:46:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <002f01c7562e$ddbffe20$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200702220013.l1M0CqUU004300@zxe.naks.com> <002f01c7562e$ddbffe20$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45DE3969.2050404@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 23 02:01:23 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:01:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 fixed? In-Reply-To: <8C924F8FF491E72-56C-414F@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <641888.26694.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In all fairness I think the guy probably tested and worked fine but when using a 100 min tape, that was just enuff to put it over the edge???????? Maybe he used a 30 min tape? I don't know. I'll ask when I pick it up. Bob benstratford at aol.com wrote: Bob, It sounds like a timing issue with the cam set up which is easily adjusted. Surprised they didn't properly test everything for ages before giving it back to you. It just shows how easy it is to destroy customer confidence through poor basic systems and procedures. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Feb 23 02:07:17 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:07:17 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: The CR-3A uses a motor system which I think is unique among Naks. The drive motor only engages when sent into Play mode. It rests otherwise. It also uses a longer belt than the CR-4A or the BX-300. Even though it looks virtually identical to the CR-4A on the outside, the motors and flywheel are quite different and the result of a different design strategy. Of course the user calibration functions on the CR-4A make it different to the CR-3A, but the CR-4A is not just a CR-3A with front-panel calibration circuits. The CR-4A has a superior motor which brings wow-and-flutter down to the same specs as the BX-300, and which are only bested by the ZX-9 and Dragaon, as far as I know. The Cassette Deck 1 has wow-and-flutter specs similar to the CR-3A, better than the classic decks, but not as good as the BX-300, ZX-9, Dragon, or CR-4A. The term "Sankyo transport" is something of a misnomer, as there are Nak decks with widely divergent drive systems sharing the Sankyo parts. The 2 head decks with the Sankyo system do not have very good specs due to the single-capstan design. Jeff


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All he sees are dollar signs... Integrity > is not even a consideration. > > If you treat your customers with integrity and respect, > then I envy them. However, you are in a small (nay, tiny > minority)." > > Ken says: > > OK, since I am excluded, my feelings are not hurt! :-) > > But really, If you really think your dentist is thinking dollars during > treatment, you should look around. There are doctors that think this > way. I know them and despise them. We have a big advantage over our > patients. We know so very much more about what they need that we can > take advantage of them and they would never know it. I inform my > patients and try to get them involved in the decision making process and > give them options when I can. Sometimes I too run into a problem during > a procedure, and I must stop and change the course of treatment. And I > always stop and let my office manager discuss with them any fee changes. > I always feel some guilt for not anticipating the complication, but it > just happens. But I would be very upset if I ever thought a patient > thought I just wanted to do something more expensive. Most of the time, > it is actually the opposite. I went in to fix something and found out it > can't be done. So instead of a 1000.00 dollar procedure it gets bumped to! > a 200.00 dollar surgical procedure... I have to just extract the tooth > etc. Good dentists have plenty of work to do. There is no need to over > treat or cheat patients. They will figure it out eventually and you > won't be so busy anymore. Really, good doctors are not in it for the > money. The money comes from taking good care of the patients. Then they > will take care of the doctor. I see it everyday. Well, Ken, if you were local to me perhaps I'd see you instead the people treating me now... Reverting to the original subject: recently I have run into several different dentists whose quoted prices continually changed every meeting -- always in the upward direction -- for no apparent reason. My point was that today's morals are not what morals used to be and this kind of behaviour -- including not returning calls -- are common in most professions. -- Ron From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 03:14:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <45DE3969.2050404@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20070223021430.3778.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 03:22:16 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222153947.00856e80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <606230.34588.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, The Dragon I have with Steve lost its chin( under the head. The head asssembly was fine, but the deck got smashed in transit(thats what the seller claims) on the cover. The entire assmbly and the plastic post that the entire transport is screwed on is wrecked. I am patient on that. lets see if Steve can help! I spoke to him, he agreed and thats when I sent the deck out to him last August! Meanwhile I have a 680zx that refuses to engage the head assembly, and therefore will not play. When coaxed with my fingers by rotating the round gear inside the deck the head assembly engages and all is well. Any quick solutions? Thanks.rthlink.net> wrote: Ram, I can't think of any reason other than the head to scrap a Dragon. What was the problem with it? I am turning into a Dragon expert (having much more experience on older Naks) because NakTalkers are sending them here. Why not contact Stephen and offer him some options? He could bail on the repair, or, if he wants someone to brainstorm solutions, he can call me. I posted yesterday suggesting that NakTalk technicians begin talking with each other. tom brucker At 10:14 AM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech < wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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I don't ask price unless I just need to have some idea as to how much I need to come up with and don't get surprised by the bill. As with most things, I just want it done right. Fortunately I got two guys who do it right and are in it for the love of the work not the monetary rewards. By the way, I think both have it tough due to the way the insurance restricts them I remember when a Doctor was his own insurance policy. Nobody had insurance. The Doctors just charged by what they thought the individual patients could afford and had no entourage of hired help whose only work was coordinating insurance benefits, referrals and all the "NON MEDICAL" stuff these guys have to put up with today. Just another sign of the times I guess. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 06:12:08 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:12:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <000d01c75703$9f235600$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <490853.70207.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, You hit the Bull's eye. Yes I retired from dentistry after 20 years because I got tired of the insurance red tape. There came a point in my career when I had to discuss treament, not based on the requirement of the patient, but what was covered, and not. I felt like I was doing a disservice to my patients and called it a day. I am in retailing now and doing admirably decent. When will America realize that disease has no limits, pockets,rdeductibles, referrals or approvals. Disease hits and we need to treat them. Period. Is this Naktalk? Sorry to vent my gut and deviate. Great forum this one. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: As for dentists and doctors, I got great ones. I don't ask price unless I just need to have some idea as to how much I need to come up with and don't get surprised by the bill. As with most things, I just want it done right. Fortunately I got two guys who do it right and are in it for the love of the work not the monetary rewards. By the way, I think both have it tough due to the way the insurance restricts them I remember when a Doctor was his own insurance policy. Nobody had insurance. The Doctors just charged by what they thought the individual patients could afford and had no entourage of hired help whose only work was coordinating insurance benefits, referrals and all the "NON MEDICAL" stuff these guys have to put up with today. Just another sign of the times I guess. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 23 06:20:40 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:20:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <20070223021430.3778.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <778880.45659.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 22 February 2007 17:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank Graham, Are you talking about Misha as apprentice? ------- Original Message ------- >From : Graham Nelson[mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] Sent : 2/22/2007 8:18:23 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Stephen Sank As I recall, Stephen's apparent skill was/is in: - fine tuning - re-wiring - some kind of modification to CR7's that apparently make them even better - and, of course, general maintenance - He was, of course, also an expert at building/renovating microphones, having "inherited" these skills from his Dad (who I gather was a renowned microphone designer.) In my experience, he doesn't usually ask for payment up front unless there are cash flow issues facing his business. He works (or did work) entirely on his own, not having been able to find anyone suitable to become an apprentice at his workshop. (One ex-NakTalk member in Europe was going to take up that challenge but he seems to have vanished from the forum and never did join Mr Sank - presumably he was tempted by something else, probably a woman!) 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From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 08:32:36 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:32:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 In-Reply-To: <001601c73e20$b487e930$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> References: <001601c73e20$b487e930$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <6bddc1110702222332n2ab01c1bwb903cf37d20b64f1@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have any experience with Maxell's MS line of CrO2 tapes? There is a guy unloading some of them on eBay and I'm just wondering how they stack up to my sizable arsenal of XLII-S tapes. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 11:56:51 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:56:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <778880.45659.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414004.34140.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, The problem is the belt which drives that big white cam. Get a new belt for it, and it should be fine. 'Helping along' will work a while, but the problem comes back after somtime - as it did with my Dragon. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 12:05:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:05:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Good Business/Good Manners In-Reply-To: <490853.70207.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419764.99749.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, I wish more doctors had the heart and wisdom of people like Ram and Bill. When my wife was down with labour pains, and the baby was on his way out, they actually made her sit down till I paid up the hospital bill in advance! Only when I had paid the bill, and showed them the receipt, they brought in a wheelchair for her. Taught me a lesson for thinking hospitals, especially maternity ones, were kind, understanding and put the patients first. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Bill, You hit the Bull's eye. Yes I retired from dentistry after 20 years because I got tired of the insurance red tape. There came a point in my career when I had to discuss treament, not based on the requirement of the patient, but what was covered, and not. I felt like I was doing a disservice to my patients and called it a day. I am in retailing now and doing admirably decent. When will America realize that disease has no limits, pockets,rdeductibles, referrals or approvals. Disease hits and we need to treat them. Period. Is this Naktalk? Sorry to vent my gut and deviate. Great forum this one. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: As for dentists and doctors, I got great ones. I don't ask price unless I just need to have some idea as to how much I need to come up with and don't get surprised by the bill. As with most things, I just want it done right. Fortunately I got two guys who do it right and are in it for the love of the work not the monetary rewards. By the way, I think both have it tough due to the way the insurance restricts them I remember when a Doctor was his own insurance policy. Nobody had insurance. The Doctors just charged by what they thought the individual patients could afford and had no entourage of hired help whose only work was coordinating insurance benefits, referrals and all the "NON MEDICAL" stuff these guys have to put up with today. Just another sign of the times I guess. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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In-Reply-To: <20070223021430.3778.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070223021430.3778.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DECA85.2090506@peromarta.org> No big deal, lack of use, hardened grease in control cam + possibly streched cam belt. rgds, LP. shanti ramachandran wrote: > HI folks, > > Please help me. > > I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. > Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. > > I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate > the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves > up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... > > Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. > > I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. > > Standing by. > thanks > Ram > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 12:35:36 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:35:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <778880.45659.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070223113537.25555.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, I did that and its smoothly engaging now. But, now the problem is wow/flutter( audiable and gross at times) in 15/16ips speed record/play. I dont know what to do. Sad these people sell absolute junk stating its like new. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. 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Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. 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Perhaps a better question is what tapes should I stay away from I have some XLII, XLII-S, TDK SA and TDK SA-X. I have heard that the XLII-S Black magnatite formulation is no good. I honestly can't tell how many XLII formulations there are. Some packaging says "Epitaxial" some says "super fine epitaxial," etc. What is a non-engineer, whose only test equipment is his ears, to do? Larry Tim Skorick wrote: Actually ignore that - I found my answer on this same thread that gmail for some reason felt compelled to archive separately. -Tim On 2/23/07, Tim Skorick wrote: Does anyone have any experience with Maxell's MS line of CrO2 tapes? There is a guy unloading some of them on eBay and I'm just wondering how they stack up to my sizable arsenal of XLII-S tapes. -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Fri Feb 23 13:30:42 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:30:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Help wanted! Message-ID: <200702231231.l1NCV6ZE001085@zxe.naks.com> Shanty, Two causes of the classic transport refusing to engage in play are well known. One is the cam belt slipping, which can be easily replaced. The other, mostly overlooked, is the pinch roller pivots getting sticky by old grease. The first problem can be solved by replacing the belt. Mostly , the belts are not very bad and can last quite some time. Just clean the belt and the motor pulley and this might help. To avoid the slippage from coming back I sandpaper the motor pulley to give it more grip. Use very low type of sandpaper, 40 or 60. The second problem is trickier and might need realigning the pinch roller and tape guides if the guides have to be disassembled. See for this the following link on my website; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/RepairsNaks_content/Nakamichi482E.htm This problem rears it's head when the machine wasn't used over a lengthy time, so the dried grease adheres to the parts it was supposed to grease. Listen to the Naks. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 14:04:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:04:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <200702231231.l1NCV6ZE001085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <832255.2051.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Henk. You guys here are great. I cannibalized a rubber belt from an older 680zx I had and that worked. The only issue now is the speed variation. Ram ScHenk wrote: Shanty, Two causes of the classic transport refusing to engage in play are well known. One is the cam belt slipping, which can be easily replaced. The other, mostly overlooked, is the pinch roller pivots getting sticky by old grease. The first problem can be solved by replacing the belt. Mostly , the belts are not very bad and can last quite some time. Just clean the belt and the motor pulley and this might help. To avoid the slippage from coming back I sandpaper the motor pulley to give it more grip. Use very low type of sandpaper, 40 or 60. The second problem is trickier and might need realigning the pinch roller and tape guides if the guides have to be disassembled. See for this the following link on my website; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/RepairsNaks_content/Nakamichi482E.htm This problem rears it’s head when the machine wasn’t used over a lengthy time, so the dried grease adheres to the parts it was supposed to grease. Listen to the Naks. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 23 14:12:42 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:12:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070222083200.00856830@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070222083200.00856830@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45DEE84A.1040401@snet.net> Just for the record, last time I spoke to Jeff Galin at ESL he told me that they had a relapping machine. The price he gave me at the time for just doing the head and leaving the calibration work for me seemed mighty reasonable. Ed Hi Tech wrote: >For those of you who think you might need heads, Nakamichis are the only >cassette manufacturer that makes relappable heads. Head wear early on >causes incomplete tape contact, usually expressed as an inability to set >bias levels on the left channel for flat response. Headwear typically cuts >grooves in the head, or creates ripples in the metal surface. I remove the >head, and using a mylar polishing film, remove (lap) enough metal to >reshape the head and eliminate the wear grooves. This operation requires a >full set of gauges and tapes to realign the head. Nak 700 and 1000 heads >can be relapped twice. 580, 680 at least once (haven't tried it twice). >Relapping restores NEW Performance without the cost of a head! Nakamichi >trained me in this operation. I may be the only one as my training was in >1979. > Bottom line: heads are not a problem unless you have an open coil. > >tom brucker > > > > > From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 23 14:16:34 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:16:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Message-ID: Hi Larry, Do not despair at all. Sometimes it depends where and when they were made. All modern Maxell tapes (except I think UE and UR) have super-surfaces doped via chemical vapour deposition epitaxy. Whatever you heard about avoiding "black magnetite" formula is to be ignored. It's one of the most effective of the oxides used in magnetic tape, without getting into the technicalities. Some XLII tapes have used BM and some reverted to single crystal goethite based combinations. By tweaking ratios of particle size, a process called "orientation", similar measurable results can be achieved even when using different compounds. I say similar because they are not identical. Tape manufacturers are often relying on users calibrating tapes to smooth the effects of variations in formulae. Keeping it short, I can safely encourage you to purchase any and all of the tapes you have mentioned - they all are safe (and rewarding) buys (now and yesteryear). I addressed this matter in some detail in a post on 21 Jan 2007, which I can send to you if you want. You might not have been a member at that stage. I can also give you a less generic response. Of the XLII tapes made in the last 6 or 7 years, principally Cool, Fire and Mystic series, all are excellent. Good luck!! *---- Marc >>> iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com 2/23/2007 2:17:08 PM >>> New guy could use the answer. Perhaps a better question is what tapes should I stay away from I have some XLII, XLII-S, TDK SA and TDK SA-X. I have heard that the XLII-S Black magnatite formulation is no good. I honestly can't tell how many XLII formulations there are. Some packaging says "Epitaxial" some says "super fine epitaxial," etc. What is a non-engineer, whose only test equipment is his ears, to do? Larry Tim Skorick wrote: Actually ignore that - I found my answer on this same thread that gmail for some reason felt compelled to archive separately. -Tim On 2/23/07, Tim Skorick wrote: Does anyone have any experience with Maxell's MS line of CrO2 tapes? There is a guy unloading some of them on eBay and I'm just wondering how they stack up to my sizable arsenal of XLII-S tapes. -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 23 14:42:37 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:42:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <20070223113537.25555.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <783712.38053.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know what you mean, "near mint" yeah right! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, I did that and its smoothly engaging now. But, now the problem is wow/flutter( audiable and gross at times) in 15/16ips speed record/play. I dont know what to do. Sad these people sell absolute junk stating its like new. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Feb 23 14:59:38 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:59:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <382584.33849.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66256.9110.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunately that is how ebay operates in general: EVERYTING IS MINT AND LIKE NEW AND TESTED AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE IT WON'T WORK !!! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Trying to test our grammer perhaps? Bob Naylor wrote: I know what you mean, "near mint" yeah right! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, I did that and its smoothly engaging now. But, now the problem is wow/flutter( audiable and gross at times) in 15/16ips speed record/play. I dont know what to do. Sad these people sell absolute junk stating its like new. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, I did that and its smoothly engaging now. But, now the problem is wow/flutter( audiable and gross at times) in 15/16ips speed record/play. I dont know what to do. Sad these people sell absolute junk stating its like new. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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I ve however, had 1 zx7, a truely mint( Untouched by anyone ever) zx9 and a good BX300,2 CR7s, a 670ZX from ebay with no issue. I just wanted the 680ZX and fell for it twice. The seller is refunding $100 for the 680ZX though. She has seller remorse I guess. All in all I got a 680ZX for $150.00. Can not beat that even if I have to spend another $200 to fix it. I guess I ll cannibalize one 680 for the other. Long Live Ebay. LENA WONG wrote: Unfortunately that is how ebay operates in general: EVERYTING IS MINT AND LIKE NEW AND TESTED AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE IT WON'T WORK !!! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Trying to test our grammer perhaps? Bob Naylor wrote: I know what you mean, "near mint" yeah right! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, I did that and its smoothly engaging now. But, now the problem is wow/flutter( audiable and gross at times) in 15/16ips speed record/play. I dont know what to do. Sad these people sell absolute junk stating its like new. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, My LX5 did that but I just kept "helping" it along and finally it worked fine. In my case I believe it was just lack of use. Hopefully that's all that's wrong with yours. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: HI folks, Please help me. I acquired a 680zx( seller said like new) which doesnt want to play. Capstains rotate. rew/ff work fine./ idler looks new. I can get it to play when I press play and with the cover open I rotate the head engagement gear counterclockwise till the head assembly moves up. The it plays fine. Calibrates good etc... Whats wrong? Please advice if its a simple fix. I have another 680zx for cannibalization if needed. Standing by. thanks Ram Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > Im wondering if the CR3,CR4,CR5, DR1, DR2, CD1, CD1.5 all have the same dual > capstan transport ?? If not which are similar and what are the differences ? > > Best > Soumi > I am not familiar with the DR and CD series. The CR series all use the Sankyo transport. All 3 head units use the dual capstan version. The CR-5 and CR-7 use a DD capstan motor version. Others use belt drive. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! 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To test the pivot joints, try to move the pivot assemblies up and down the mounting axis. They are spring loaded (in two planes actually, one plane facilitates the movement towards the capstan). The assembly should be freely moving into the mechanism and pop back as a result of the spring. There is about 1 mm of free movement! If there is heavy movement take a lot of time and put drops of WD40 into the joints (beneath the little shimmy rings on top). Keep repeating till they are freed. This will take time and patience. If one of them won't move at all, you will have to disassembly to free things up. Realignment is needed after this. See my report on it at the site. There is an other probable cause for problems in W/F. This is the pitch control pot which might get dirty because it is probably not used for 25 years. When turning this pot when playing a tape the sound should smoothly lower and increase in speed. If the speed is changing bouncy and irregularly, the pot is not OK. As an other regular member of this forum is telling over and over again; Turn the pot full up and down at LEAST 20 times rapidly. May be much more is needed, but by then a change must be clearly audible. If the pot is not functioning correctly after a while you can use contact cleaner, but this has it's disadvantages too, so avoid unless really needed. Of course some electrical problems can play up, but I would first investigate these non electrical areas. Don't worry too much about buying old gear of ebay and not get a newish version. They seldom are in pristine condition and we should not expect that much. If these common problems of this 680 are solved you will be able to enjoy the very best of Nak sound one can get. It is one of my favourites because it combines the natural discrete electronics sound of the 1000, 700, 600 models with the versatile classic transport. Don't worry too much about the cam belt either. These last very long and slippage might be avoided as I suggested earlier. Listen to the Naks. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 23 15:25:46 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:25:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sorrt to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! In-Reply-To: <748663.93213.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070222155424.0085dd30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070223082546.00863100@earthlink.net> Bill, The Dragon is a six channel head. We could get by with one direction of play, but it is a forward play head that is out, which kills the calibration ability. If I am totally desparate I might try to use the NAAC coil in place of the audio, but somewhere I recall thatthe NAAC track is narrower than the audio track. tom brucker At 02:31 PM 2/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Is it that only a Dragon head will physically fit a Dragon, or is it an impedence issue? If it's only an impedence issue, could a matching network be made? My other hobby is ham radio and we have to build impedence matching networks to match antenna/feed lines to the transmitters. I guess the other hard part is that the dragon is auto reverse. Or could a head be used from another Nak and give up the playback in the reverse direction? That would be better than junking it or having it sit on the shelf forever. Bob tom brucker wrote: I am sorry I posted grim news about a Dragon needing a head, having 3 here from nakTalkers! I promise to contact owners first if there is any terrible parts problem encountered in their repair. The play head unit has been here one year. I have tried to purchase broken Dragons on eBay to no avail and haven't yet given up hope. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 23 15:30:35 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:30:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! In-Reply-To: <8C924F7DC5CE0A1-56C-40CD@FWM-R10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070223083035.00865cf0@earthlink.net> It might be. I have a TD1200 parts unit. I guess it might be time to check. I have been saving the TD 1200 for a rainy day when I can repair it. It came out of a Ferrari whose voltage regulator went bad. At 5ooo rpm the alternator put out 45 volts and blew every electronic thing in the car! Thanks for the idea Ben. tom brucker At 07:22 PM 2/22/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Would the play head out of a TD-1200 mobile deck with NAAC be a substitute for the dragon head? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 23 16:12:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:12:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <200702231231.l1NCV6ZE001085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070223091211.00865180@earthlink.net> Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 23 15:41:41 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:41:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <606230.34588.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070222153947.00856e80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070223084141.00865440@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 7120 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 16:14:40 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <200702231442.l1NEfckS003147@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <259693.11761.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henk, You are great. i am going to religiously follow what you said. Yes the pitch control pot doesnt smoothly raise or lower speeds. Theres a little wow/flutter while I move the pitch knob. Ill keep you posted. Thanks Ram ScHenk wrote: Ram, I react again on your message concerning the 680. Now the symptom is high W/F on halfspeed. This might very well stem from the same problem!! If the Pinch roller pivots get stuck one of them might not engage at all or with too little tension. This might corrupt the tape travel giving wavering channel balance and unsteady sound. These effects get acerbated when playing half speed, because everything is really on the limits of the art of replaying cassettes when running so low a speed. So take a very good look at the pivots engaging against either capstan. To test the pivot joints, try to move the pivot assemblies up and down the mounting axis. They are spring loaded (in two planes actually, one plane facilitates the movement towards the capstan). The assembly should be freely moving into the mechanism and pop back as a result of the spring. There is about 1 mm of free movement! If there is heavy movement take a lot of time and put drops of WD40 into the joints (beneath the little shimmy rings on top). Keep repeating till they are freed. This will take time and patience. If one of them won’t move at all, you will have to disassembly to free things up. Realignment is needed after this. See my report on it at the site. There is an other probable cause for problems in W/F. This is the pitch control pot which might get dirty because it is probably not used for 25 years. When turning this pot when playing a tape the sound should smoothly lower and increase in speed. If the speed is changing bouncy and irregularly, the pot is not OK. As an other regular member of this forum is telling over and over again; Turn the pot full up and down at LEAST 20 times rapidly. May be much more is needed, but by then a change must be clearly audible. If the pot is not functioning correctly after a while you can use contact cleaner, but this has it’s disadvantages too, so avoid unless really needed. Of course some electrical problems can play up, but I would first investigate these non electrical areas. Don’t worry too much about buying old gear of ebay and not get a newish version. They seldom are in pristine condition and we should not expect that much. If these common problems of this 680 are solved you will be able to enjoy the very best of Nak sound one can get. It is one of my favourites because it combines the natural discrete electronics sound of the 1000, 700, 600 models with the versatile classic transport. Don’t worry too much about the cam belt either. These last very long and slippage might be avoided as I suggested earlier. Listen to the Naks. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 16:43:37 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:43:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070223091211.00865180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <194592.33395.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, When you say only 'small' pre-amp what does that exactly mean? I used to have a McIntosh C33 that used to switch three tape decks and two turntables among other inputs in two seperate loops. But size wise, I doubt it would qualify as small. Bala Ganesh Hi Tech wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Feb 23 16:50:28 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:50:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2007 3:44:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Bala, Thanks. I shall call esl for abelt. I have huge wow/flutter at 15/16 ips speed. Havent heard in regular speed yet. I presume itll be there too. Its audiable. PLease help. Thanks Ram You don't need an ESL belt. You can use a PRB SCQ4.8 or an MCM 42-1800. I've used both. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Fri Feb 23 18:02:14 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:02:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Herb Shenk's site is great (Hi Tech) Message-ID: <200702231702.l1NH2RDF005034@zxe.naks.com> Tom HiTech77, Thanks for noticing the humble webpage of my doing. Herb Shenk?? The Shenk part I can imagine, this is a common rewriting of my sirname. But Herb?? Knowing Herb Albert and maybe some more examples I don't know whether I should be offended. I'm not easily, so. Pleased to meet you in cyberspace. The name is Henk Schenk The alias I use: ScHenk The Nakamichi aura extends beyond the classic cassette decks we all use and love. I recently acquired a PA5 Stasis main amp I think is very nice also. Heritance of a certain Nelson Pass. Ever heard of? Maybe Threshold? But this all falls well off topic in this forum. I wrote articles on other brands stuff on a separate website , mostly in Dutch though, www.audiofriends.nl My experiences with 3 of the 620 amps have given me the impression of the possible intrusion of oscillation. I blew up one channel when I was using it as a subwoofer amp and did not notice the oscillation until the amp had died. Also I heard stories of irreparable 620 in my whereabouts. Besides I noticed little caps on the back of the circuit boards on several samples that I thought of as stabilizing treats, so an instability might have been noticed and cured after the fact. For what it's worth, I think the amp sounds marvelous and still does. Solid state amps are not my forte, but I would list this amp in my preferences. Keep listening to music, Henk (!) Schenk -------------------------- Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 18:30:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070223091211.00865180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070223173031.17603.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Herb, I have a Mcintosh Mc40 control center(1995 model) that switches 3 tape recorders besides 2 cds ,1 phono/aux and a tuner. It also allows a pro deck with balanced outputs to be connected in the line switch. I also bought a niles TSB-3 which further enables 3 more tape decks every which way imaginable. so now I have the possibility of hooking up 9 tape decks into my McIntoash preamp.....and I already have hooked up 7 Naks and 1 B&O( dont know why) to it. Awaiting the Dragon's return for the 9th Tape deck and i shall be content and done....??? May be not! lol Ram Hi Tech wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 18:36:06 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070223173606.50999.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 3:44:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Bala, Thanks. I shall call esl for abelt. I have huge wow/flutter at 15/16 ips speed. Havent heard in regular speed yet. I presume itll be there too. Its audiable. PLease help. Thanks Ram You don't need an ESL belt. You can use a PRB SCQ4.8 or an MCM 42-1800. I've used both. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Feb 23 19:40:23 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:40:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is _www.mcminone.com_ (http://www.mcminone.com) The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Feb 23 22:40:15 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:40:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 93 In-Reply-To: <200702231515.l1NFFmFj003729@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702231515.l1NFFmFj003729@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <480DCF78-B2EB-4B1E-AF4B-94B48F31682D@mac.com> I guess Nakamichi didn't make that alternator! Makes me glad I drive Subarus... Speaking of which, Tom would you be willing to work on my Alpine 7618 head unit? The cassette section has given out and now I can't play my lovely Nak made tapes in the car... cheers, Fred On Feb 23, 2007, at 7:15 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Hi Tech > Date: February 23, 2007 6:30:35 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > It might be. I have a TD1200 parts unit. I guess it might be time > to check. > I have been saving the TD 1200 for a rainy day when I can repair > it. It > came out of a Ferrari whose voltage regulator went bad. At 5ooo rpm > the > alternator put out 45 volts and blew every electronic thing in the > car! > > Thanks for the idea Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri Feb 23 22:49:11 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:49:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers In-Reply-To: <200702231845.l1NIisnO006489@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702231845.l1NIisnO006489@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0F09174A-A9AE-4AE7-8D5D-09807BADF08D@mac.com> Hi all, I'm intrigued by this Niles TSB-3 switcher. What do other Naktalkers use to switch between their many multiples of decks? I use a Luxman GX-101 EQ in part to provide extra tape loops, but that's a lot of circuitry I don't always need or want in my signal path. cheers, Fred > On Feb 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: shanti ramachandran > Date: February 23, 2007 9:30:31 AM PST > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Herb, > > I have a Mcintosh Mc40 control center(1995 model) that switches 3 > tape recorders besides 2 cds ,1 phono/aux and a tuner. It also > allows a pro deck with balanced outputs to be connected in the line > switch. > > I also bought a niles TSB-3 which further enables 3 more tape decks > every which way imaginable. so now I have the possibility of > hooking up 9 tape decks into my McIntoash preamp.....and I already > have hooked up 7 Naks and 1 B&O( dont know why) to it. > > Awaiting the Dragon's return for the 9th Tape deck and i shall be > content and done....??? May be not! lol > Ram > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Feb 23 22:58:44 2007 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:58:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! References: <3.0.3.32.20070223083035.00865cf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003501c75795$c96dac20$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> I would like to have a chance at the td 1200 if you don't take the head out or don't have the time to repair it your self. Let me know. Thanks Rainer Sahlmueller (80stech) joyell.solie at sasktel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! > It might be. I have a TD1200 parts unit. I guess it might be time to check. > I have been saving the TD 1200 for a rainy day when I can repair it. It > came out of a Ferrari whose voltage regulator went bad. At 5ooo rpm the > alternator put out 45 volts and blew every electronic thing in the car! > > Thanks for the idea Ben. > > tom brucker > > At 07:22 PM 2/22/07 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > Tom, > Would the play head out of a TD-1200 mobile deck with NAAC be a substitute > for the dragon head? > Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From benstratford at aol.com Fri Feb 23 23:53:49 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:53:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers Message-ID: <8C925B49D954C9B-F7C-63AC@FWM-R16.sysops.aol.com> I use a pioneer SX-1980 Receiver with a Pioneer U-24 Programme selector unit. This is connected to the tape 1 sockets on the receiver and allows 4 decks to be connected via the unit and one directly to the tape 2 sockets on the receiver. So 5 decks are no problem. Problem is, I now have 7 decks. Does anyone have something else? I suppose I could get 2 x U-24's and then have 8 deck capability. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 02:15:58 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:15:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070224011558.60455.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, thanks. Yes, I got the 670zx which works great. ( all functions) I have 2 680 zx, one of whom you bid agaisnt me. Well I had stopped the bid at $275.00 and got it for like $255.00 or so. Then the guy refunded me fo$50 when i complained about the deck. I figured Ill be alright at $205.00. After I accepted his refund the wow/flutter begins( 2 days later) Story of my life. Then the second deck was a BIN for $250.00 pls shipping. This one was supposed to be like new. Excellent condition. It arrived and heads wodnt engage. Then wow/flutter. I ve got $100 refunded on this one( I am supposed to get it tomorrow by overnight mail) so at $150.00 its wasnt a bad buy. The damn thing now engages the heads but has bad wow and flutter. I am going to lube inside when I find time and mood to. Ill keep your posting in mind. Thanks for all the help. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is www.mcminone.com The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 02:20:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:20:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers In-Reply-To: <8C925B49D954C9B-F7C-63AC@FWM-R16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <926381.52398.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ban, Get yourself two Niles TSB-23 tape switchers. Check ebay( Ifound one fr 36 and one for 20 bucks at ebay) Retail is ridiculous for a new one. Each can route three decks into one input. So you got 6 covered already. It really works. Or get 2 U24s from Pioneer. It abit pricier though. Regards Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: I use a pioneer SX-1980 Receiver with a Pioneer U-24 Programme selector unit. This is connected to the tape 1 sockets on the receiver and allows 4 decks to be connected via the unit and one directly to the tape 2 sockets on the receiver. So 5 decks are no problem. Problem is, I now have 7 decks. Does anyone have something else? I suppose I could get 2 x U-24's and then have 8 deck capability. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 02:34:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:34:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <585562.1124.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ESL s Jeff Galin emailed me and said he has the capstain belts only for his rebuid customers! He could sell me the idler tire or the other cam/counter belt for 6-8 bucks a pop. I wouldnt mind paying $55 if the belt will releive my wow and flutter. I am goin to releive the capstain and pinch rollsers first, however. Talk soon. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is www.mcminone.com The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 03:44:43 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:44:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <20070224011558.60455.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <152837.13677.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think a 680 ZX is good for 200$ if the cosmetics are good and whatever problem you notice are the only ones. I feel any ebay - Nak ( unless somebody works on it and sell it after alignment / tune up using proper tools) needs a tune up. Very rarely - I have seen any nak on ebay can be used without some work. I will not advise anybody without proper tools / Nak tapes and good experience to try it as it becomes a bit crazy to service Naks without tools (atleast few of these belts). My advice would be to send it to Tom and and get it worked on. Do not try other belts, try B&W , you might get the Nak capstan belt. But replacing and tuning leave it to somebody with tools - you will enjoy this machine. I know - somebody else would start his rant ! I am not trying to discourage any newcomer to try servicing a Nak, But try that with proper tools. Without the tools, you do not get the full benefit of Nak. Keep a good nak even when you try to repair another one - to compare and know how far you have gone! Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Jeff, thanks. Yes, I got the 670zx which works great. ( all functions) I have 2 680 zx, one of whom you bid agaisnt me. Well I had stopped the bid at $275.00 and got it for like $255.00 or so. Then the guy refunded me fo$50 when i complained about the deck. I figured Ill be alright at $205.00. After I accepted his refund the wow/flutter begins( 2 days later) Story of my life. Then the second deck was a BIN for $250.00 pls shipping. This one was supposed to be like new. Excellent condition. It arrived and heads wodnt engage. Then wow/flutter. I ve got $100 refunded on this one( I am supposed to get it tomorrow by overnight mail) so at $150.00 its wasnt a bad buy. The damn thing now engages the heads but has bad wow and flutter. I am going to lube inside when I find time and mood to. Ill keep your posting in mind. Thanks for all the help. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is www.mcminone.com The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Autos' Green Center. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 05:20:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <152837.13677.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <244380.89012.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, You are so correct at that. I did change the cam belt without any issue though. But for the wow and flutter I guess I shall send it to Tom Brucker if after a month or so the mechanism doesnt free up.It may or not. Thanks. Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I think a 680 ZX is good for 200$ if the cosmetics are good and whatever problem you notice are the only ones. I feel any ebay - Nak ( unless somebody works on it and sell it after alignment / tune up using proper tools) needs a tune up. Very rarely - I have seen any nak on ebay can be used without some work. I will not advise anybody without proper tools / Nak tapes and good experience to try it as it becomes a bit crazy to service Naks without tools (atleast few of these belts). My advice would be to send it to Tom and and get it worked on. Do not try other belts, try B&W , you might get the Nak capstan belt. But replacing and tuning leave it to somebody with tools - you will enjoy this machine. I know - somebody else would start his rant ! I am not trying to discourage any newcomer to try servicing a Nak, But try that with proper tools. Without the tools, you do not get the full benefit of Nak. Keep a good nak even when you try to repair another one - to compare and know how far you have gone! Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Jeff, thanks. Yes, I got the 670zx which works great. ( all functions) I have 2 680 zx, one of whom you bid agaisnt me. Well I had stopped the bid at $275.00 and got it for like $255.00 or so. Then the guy refunded me fo$50 when i complained about the deck. I figured Ill be alright at $205.00. After I accepted his refund the wow/flutter begins( 2 days later) Story of my life. Then the second deck was a BIN for $250.00 pls shipping. This one was supposed to be like new. Excellent condition. It arrived and heads wodnt engage. Then wow/flutter. I ve got $100 refunded on this one( I am supposed to get it tomorrow by overnight mail) so at $150.00 its wasnt a bad buy. The damn thing now engages the heads but has bad wow and flutter. I am going to lube inside when I find time and mood to. Ill keep your posting in mind. Thanks for all the help. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is www.mcminone.com The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 05:24:41 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:24:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <152837.13677.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499318.4135.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Ebay is a market place for most to get rid of their junk. With that said, however, I've found 1 CR7,1 ZX9,1 ZX7,1 BX300 a Brand new DR2 and a great working MR1 on ebay. They all work like they should= for the most part. The ZX9 is like brand new and my priced possesion! I gues its ones luck. I do not want to say howmany bad decks I got that I returned back to the seller! Many many. Thats my 2 cents. Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I think a 680 ZX is good for 200$ if the cosmetics are good and whatever problem you notice are the only ones. I feel any ebay - Nak ( unless somebody works on it and sell it after alignment / tune up using proper tools) needs a tune up. Very rarely - I have seen any nak on ebay can be used without some work. I will not advise anybody without proper tools / Nak tapes and good experience to try it as it becomes a bit crazy to service Naks without tools (atleast few of these belts). My advice would be to send it to Tom and and get it worked on. Do not try other belts, try B&W , you might get the Nak capstan belt. But replacing and tuning leave it to somebody with tools - you will enjoy this machine. I know - somebody else would start his rant ! I am not trying to discourage any newcomer to try servicing a Nak, But try that with proper tools. Without the tools, you do not get the full benefit of Nak. Keep a good nak even when you try to repair another one - to compare and know how far you have gone! Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Jeff, thanks. Yes, I got the 670zx which works great. ( all functions) I have 2 680 zx, one of whom you bid agaisnt me. Well I had stopped the bid at $275.00 and got it for like $255.00 or so. Then the guy refunded me fo$50 when i complained about the deck. I figured Ill be alright at $205.00. After I accepted his refund the wow/flutter begins( 2 days later) Story of my life. Then the second deck was a BIN for $250.00 pls shipping. This one was supposed to be like new. Excellent condition. It arrived and heads wodnt engage. Then wow/flutter. I ve got $100 refunded on this one( I am supposed to get it tomorrow by overnight mail) so at $150.00 its wasnt a bad buy. The damn thing now engages the heads but has bad wow and flutter. I am going to lube inside when I find time and mood to. Ill keep your posting in mind. Thanks for all the help. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2007 10:13:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Where do you procure these from? And whats the capstain belt's number for the 680ZX. Thanks for the input. Hi Ram, You beat me out on the auction for those 2 decks you're now repairing. I was the second bidder to you twice. I think i was determined to bid only $250 on them and gave up at that point. Maybe the second one I bid against you was a 670, I can't remember, but I remember your screen name. I myself am actively trying the WD-40 fix on my 680, which I bought on eBay a year ago. It's freed up considerably, but it just won't seem to go that last 1/8 of an inch to get the supply side pinch roller into contact with the capstan. The two cam belts I mentioned for the classic decks, and the RX-303 and RX-505 use them too, are available on line. The MCM belt, part number 42-1800, is available from the MCM website cheap, like 80 cents. But they charge weird shipping fees, so get more than one to bring the price per belt down. If you also have any Sanko decks with the idler wheel, you can stock on the idler wheel part number 32-5665 when you order the cam belt. I think I bought 5 of the cam belt and 10 of the idler wheel, and replaced the cam belt in all my old classic transport decks and the idler in my Sanko decks. The MCM web address is www.mcminone.com The equivalent PRB belt for the cam is SCQ4.8. You can find this at many local parts stores and it usually costs about $3-4. You can also get it on line from a bunch of different people, just google the part number. I found 3 places in 5 minutes doing this, but I wound up buying it at my local store. Ah, the capstan belt. If you absolutely have to change the belt because it's obviously defective, you can probably use the PRB belt FRM9.2. However, every Nak technician I've ever talked to about this has told me the original is better. The FRM9.2 works really well on the BX-300 and CR-4, as good as the OEM belt, but is thicker than the classic belt. The dimensions are OK otherwise. There are still a few of the original belts around. I've heard ESL still has them and charges $55. I'd suggest going with the belt you have unless it's really shot, but you might want to get an original belt anyway if you can find one and are OK with the $55. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? 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Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 24 05:39:54 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:39:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 back not working In-Reply-To: <244380.89012.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070224043954.27991.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning of tapes. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Feb 24 06:16:25 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:16:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers References: <200702231845.l1NIisnO006489@zxe.naks.com> <0F09174A-A9AE-4AE7-8D5D-09807BADF08D@mac.com> Message-ID: <003e01c757d2$ef1a5ee0$48d417c4@home> On the advice of Stephen Sank I got a Yamaha AVS 700 which accomodates 4 tape units for rec & pb in addition to Tuner ,CD and TT .He maintainedd it had some of the best switches and shortest signal path for that type of equipment. rgds walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Lifton To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers Hi all, I'm intrigued by this Niles TSB-3 switcher. What do other Naktalkers use to switch between their many multiples of decks? I use a Luxman GX-101 EQ in part to provide extra tape loops, but that's a lot of circuitry I don't always need or want in my signal path. cheers, Fred On Feb 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Date: February 23, 2007 9:30:31 AM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Herb, I have a Mcintosh Mc40 control center(1995 model) that switches 3 tape recorders besides 2 cds ,1 phono/aux and a tuner. It also allows a pro deck with balanced outputs to be connected in the line switch. I also bought a niles TSB-3 which further enables 3 more tape decks every which way imaginable. so now I have the possibility of hooking up 9 tape decks into my McIntoash preamp.....and I already have hooked up 7 Naks and 1 B&O( dont know why) to it. Awaiting the Dragon's return for the 9th Tape deck and i shall be content and done....??? May be not! lol Ram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Sat Feb 24 08:17:27 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:17:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 620/switch boxes/Ebay/test gauges In-Reply-To: <200702231515.l1NFFmFj003729@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Nakamichi 610/620: "Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation" Tom, totally agree. I have had my 610/620 for 23 years, as the core of main system. NO problems apart from replacing the bulbs on the 610. Great sound and totally reliable!. Switch boxes: Don't laugh, but I use passive 4 way rotary switch boxes to connect up my Nakamichi's. Sourced from Jaycar. They have 'gold plated' !!! connections, and switch cleanly unlike the Dick Smith slide switch equivalent. I use on both play and record circuits, and find no audible degradation to my ears, compared to a direct connection. Thus with the 610, I can connect up to 20 of my Nakamichi's for play back, 4 each on tuner/aux/T1-T3, though I normally keep T1 for my ZX-7... Whilst this arrangement would upset the purist, it is a convenient way of allowing me to use as many of my machines as possible, as usage to stave off any transport seizure issues is paramount for me. Ebay: Agree that most purchases need a bit of work, and as long as that is borne in mind, I haven't been disappointed, caveat emptor etc... I have been 'skinned' twice though, in both cases by what appeared to be second hand dealers with almost perfect feedback% ...you know the story.. the decks never turn up, the seller doesn't reply.. and Ebay doesn't want to know. On the plus side, I think my 'scores' clearly outweigh my loses. My two favourites are 1) my almost mint silver 600: bought as a dead unit for a fair price as a parts unit.. but on arrival found that the cosmetic condition was exceptional, included the cover and even the purchase and service papers.. just needed a good strip and clean, ...now one of my prized decks. 2) I bought an RX202 are couple of years back on the local NZ internet site , supposedly in good condition for good money, but was basically stuffed when received. The 'reverse' mechanism was seriously damaged, switches damaged, and a dead capstan motor.. the seller went to ground of course. I sourced all the parts from B&W but couldn't get it to go properly, so I decided to throw some more good money after bad, and bought an RX202 off Ebay for parts, with the aim of hopefully making one out of two.. but the when the deck arrived, it was basically in excellent condition and useable out of the box apart from being a 120v species. Being the mug that I am, I still had the NZ RX202 dud which owed me too much, so bought yet another supposed parts deck for US$20 off Ebay.. and when it arrived and cleaned up, was found to in even better condition than previous deck!!.. in fact almost as new condition and works perfectly to this day. (Some genuius had been under the hood and unplugged some of the wiring to the reverse mechanism.. that was all that was wrong) I have since 'parted' my NZ deck and used the 240V PS to replace the 120V one in the first deck!! The repaired transport/reverse mechanism from the dud subsequently tested OK, so the fault was somewhere on a PCB.. never mind.. good spares. Test Gauges Once I am fully set up in Sydney in about a month, any local 'Aussies' that have need to try and realign their 'classic' transport decks, would be most welcome to visit and use my alignment gauges, T100, and I have a few of the test tapes. ( please note though, I do not 'loan' out these gauges any longer due to some past issues with return amongst others.. the thanks you receive for trying to help others..) Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorised access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sat Feb 24 10:00:29 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:00:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: To Ben Stratford and shanti ramachandran: tape deck switchers Message-ID: <200702240901.l1O90cdk016672@zxe.naks.com> Ram, I now get the idea both of your 680 beauties have W/F problems?? Now I come to think of it; it's probably a good idea to adjust the cam-settings. There's three of them, each with an adjustpot! Ram and Ben, Now for the tape switcher. The nakamichi System One has the capacity of connecting 5 tapedecks. Three to the 610 pre-amp and another 2 can be hooked up to the 630 tuner ! I can think of expanding a little bit and hook up anther 630 to the aux input of the 610, and 7 decks are catered for. Expanding further can be done endlessly, adding an extra 610 in stead of the extra 630 increases to 8, etc. The preamp buffers of the Naka 610 and 630 are pretty clean, so soundwise there's not much quality lost by hooking them up in series. But ultimately this is not completely lossless. So I built my own switchers , passively using high grade switches and solid core 1,5 m2 cables, just so I can hook up many decks without loss of electronics at all. See a 4-channel box; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\NakamichiSystemOne2_Subpag es\SystemOneSwitchbox.htm And the no holds barred 12-channel version; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\NakamichiSystemSwitchboxlPics.htm http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\\NakamichiSystemFrontpanelPics.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 24 12:07:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:07:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 back not working In-Reply-To: <20070224043954.27991.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070224043954.27991.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E01C74.7050707@peromarta.org> Ask for a refund and send it to Tom. LP. Bob Naylor wrote: > Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I > do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can > take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg > from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning > of tapes. > Bob > From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Sat Feb 24 15:19:26 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:19:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: To Ben Stratford and shanti ramachandran: tape deckswitchers References: <200702240901.l1O90cdk016672@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002d01c7581e$cb502980$0201a8c0@eagle> Schenk, Your switches are beautiful... ----- Original Message ----- From: ScHenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: To Ben Stratford and shanti ramachandran: tape deckswitchers Ram, I now get the idea both of your 680 beauties have W/F problems?? Now I come to think of it; it's probably a good idea to adjust the cam-settings. There's three of them, each with an adjustpot! Ram and Ben, Now for the tape switcher. The nakamichi System One has the capacity of connecting 5 tapedecks. Three to the 610 pre-amp and another 2 can be hooked up to the 630 tuner ! I can think of expanding a little bit and hook up anther 630 to the aux input of the 610, and 7 decks are catered for. Expanding further can be done endlessly, adding an extra 610 in stead of the extra 630 increases to 8, etc. The preamp buffers of the Naka 610 and 630 are pretty clean, so soundwise there's not much quality lost by hooking them up in series. But ultimately this is not completely lossless. So I built my own switchers , passively using high grade switches and solid core 1,5 m2 cables, just so I can hook up many decks without loss of electronics at all. See a 4-channel box; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\NakamichiSystemOne2_Subpages\SystemOneSwitchbox.htm And the no holds barred 12-channel version; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\NakamichiSystemSwitchboxlPics.htm http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\\NakamichiSystemFrontpanelPics.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Bob Naylor wrote: > Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I > do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can > take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg > from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning > of tapes. > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 24 15:57:57 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:57:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 back not working In-Reply-To: <206152.20520.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <102234.13594.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a spare head from a "cassette deck 1.5" so I tried to see if the presure pad lifter was the same. Something's a little different because the lifter from the 1.5 fits loose on the ZX7 head. When they open at 10am California time they're going to hear from me! Maybe I could make the lifter I have work? B4 that I want my part back! Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Just discovered this this morning, the pressure pad lifter is gone from the PB head! I was trying to be understanding about all this but now I've just run out of patience! I thought I'd try to clean the heads and capstans myself just to make sure that wasn't the problem before I called this shop back. That's when I saw the pressure pad lifter missing! Yea, I'm calling them back alright! Luis Peromarta wrote: Ask for a refund and send it to Tom. LP. Bob Naylor wrote: > Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I > do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can > take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg > from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning > of tapes. > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 24 16:11:08 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:11:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 back not working In-Reply-To: <102234.13594.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <527440.85613.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, Such is the deplorable condition of our service industry now. Just a small example. I took in my cars( both different brand Luxury sedans) to different dealers. This was both the cars' first service and they needed a tire balance and rotation. Could you beleive that they charged me for the same, but the wheels( i had peculiar markings on them) were left untouched on both by 2 different dealers. On calling them they apologized.Thats it. Half of the techs dont know their jobs and dont care either. They come for that paycheck and leave. Where is the pride of work, America? Please where is it? If anything youll get from the shop is an apology, if that. Theyll even claim your ZX7 did not have its pr pad lifter to begin with. Sorry, but all are living incompetency day in and day out these days. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: I have a spare head from a "cassette deck 1.5" so I tried to see if the presure pad lifter was the same. Something's a little different because the lifter from the 1.5 fits loose on the ZX7 head. When they open at 10am California time they're going to hear from me! Maybe I could make the lifter I have work? B4 that I want my part back! Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Just discovered this this morning, the pressure pad lifter is gone from the PB head! I was trying to be understanding about all this but now I've just run out of patience! I thought I'd try to clean the heads and capstans myself just to make sure that wasn't the problem before I called this shop back. That's when I saw the pressure pad lifter missing! Yea, I'm calling them back alright! Luis Peromarta wrote: Ask for a refund and send it to Tom. LP. Bob Naylor wrote: > Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I > do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can > take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg > from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning > of tapes. > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. 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Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Feb 24 19:07:45 2007 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:07:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Multi-Deck Switchers Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 24 19:11:53 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 back not working In-Reply-To: <527440.85613.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070224181153.38818.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know they're gonna say it wasn't there but it was! I cleaned these heads a thousand times and it was there. When I brought the deck home I tested it and it wasn't right so I just unhooked it and set it aside. This morning I thought I'd test it again just to make sure before I contacted them so just to cover all bases I thought I'd clean the heads , capstan etc and the second I looked at the heads I saw it missing! Talk about a blood pressure increase! Now maybe I can get the spare to fit but I don't want to have to do that. Besides this spare is for my cassette deck 1 and 1.5. This is a high end stereo shop and I called them to make sure they could/wanted to work on it before I took it to them. They said fine so... Pride? What pride? Bob Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, Such is the deplorable condition of our service industry now. Just a small example. I took in my cars( both different brand Luxury sedans) to different dealers. This was both the cars' first service and they needed a tire balance and rotation. Could you beleive that they charged me for the same, but the wheels( i had peculiar markings on them) were left untouched on both by 2 different dealers. On calling them they apologized.Thats it. Half of the techs dont know their jobs and dont care either. They come for that paycheck and leave. Where is the pride of work, America? Please where is it? If anything youll get from the shop is an apology, if that. Theyll even claim your ZX7 did not have its pr pad lifter to begin with. Sorry, but all are living incompetency day in and day out these days. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: I have a spare head from a "cassette deck 1.5" so I tried to see if the presure pad lifter was the same. Something's a little different because the lifter from the 1.5 fits loose on the ZX7 head. When they open at 10am California time they're going to hear from me! Maybe I could make the lifter I have work? B4 that I want my part back! Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Just discovered this this morning, the pressure pad lifter is gone from the PB head! I was trying to be understanding about all this but now I've just run out of patience! I thought I'd try to clean the heads and capstans myself just to make sure that wasn't the problem before I called this shop back. That's when I saw the pressure pad lifter missing! Yea, I'm calling them back alright! Luis Peromarta wrote: Ask for a refund and send it to Tom. LP. Bob Naylor wrote: > Picked up the ZX7 after work today with the same problem. Now what do I > do? Guess I got some thinking to do. They are open Saturday so I can > take it back tomorrow. I have a feeling this tech isn't getting the msg > from the service writer that this problem only exists at the beginning > of tapes. > Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 25 02:57:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:57:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E0ED10.9080800@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > The CR-3A uses a motor system which I think is unique among Naks. The > drive motor only engages when sent into Play mode. It rests otherwise. > It also uses a longer belt than the CR-4A or the BX-300. Even though > it looks virtually identical to the CR-4A on the outside, the motors and > flywheel are quite different and the result of a different design > strategy. Of course the user calibration functions on the CR-4A make it > different to the CR-3A, but the CR-4A is not just a CR-3A with > front-panel calibration circuits. The CR-4A has a superior motor which > brings wow-and-flutter down to the same specs as the BX-300, and which > are only bested by the ZX-9 and Dragaon, as far as I know. The Cassette > Deck 1 has wow-and-flutter specs similar to the CR-3A, better than the > classic decks, but not as good as the BX-300, ZX-9, Dragon, or CR-4A. > The term "Sankyo transport" is something of a misnomer, as there are Nak > decks with widely divergent drive systems sharing the Sankyo parts. The > 2 head decks with the Sankyo system do not have very good specs due to > the single-capstan design. Actually "Sankyo transport" is quite correct. However, there are different versions of the same basic transport design, to accommodate single-capstan/belt-drive/2-head/no-pad-lifter (vs. dual capstan/direct-drive/3-head/with-pad-lifter). Naturally, the DD capstan motor offers better performance. Also, later transports have a gear idler. Fro the design point of view, the gear idler does NOT increase W&F as compared to a rubber idler. AFAIK, the CR-3 transport is not particularly unique. -- Ron > Jeff From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Feb 25 02:58:33 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:58:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: <818088.95174.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anyone know what his current email address is? It used to be bk11 at thuntek.net but he doesn't seem to answer it ... I notice it's been a while since SS updated that web site, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 03:58:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:58:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: To Ben Stratford and shanti ramachandran: tape deck switchers In-Reply-To: <200702240901.l1O90cdk016672@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <233339.43795.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Schenk, Thats really beautiful work! What signal wires are you running in there? Bala ScHenk wrote: Ram, I now get the idea both of your 680 beauties have W/F problems?? Now I come to think of it; it’s probably a good idea to adjust the cam-settings. There’s three of them, each with an adjustpot! Ram and Ben, Now for the tape switcher. The nakamichi System One has the capacity of connecting 5 tapedecks. Three to the 610 pre-amp and another 2 can be hooked up to the 630 tuner ! I can think of expanding a little bit and hook up anther 630 to the aux input of the 610, and 7 decks are catered for. Expanding further can be done endlessly, adding an extra 610 in stead of the extra 630 increases to 8, etc. The preamp buffers of the Naka 610 and 630 are pretty clean, so soundwise there’s not much quality lost by hooking them up in series. But ultimately this is not completely lossless. So I built my own switchers , passively using high grade switches and solid core 1,5 m2 cables, just so I can hook up many decks without loss of electronics at all. See a 4-channel box; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\NakamichiSystemOne2_Subpages\SystemOneSwitchbox.htm And the no holds barred 12-channel version; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\NakamichiSystemSwitchboxlPics.htm http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/NakSystems_content\Nakamichi System Two_subpages\\NakamichiSystemFrontpanelPics.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 06:33:36 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:33:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <890608.22521.qm@web84111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Some of you have mentioned that Mr. Sank lived in Albuquerque, NM. I do not know Mr. Sank however, I ran a Dogpile.com white pages search and found the following listing: S Sank 505-332-03365517 Carmelita Dr NE Albuquerque, NM 87111-1738 I can not tell you if this is the person you seek, but if I was somebody who had a tape deck worth hundreds of dollars that had gone m.i.a. I would give the number a try. Good luck. Larry Graham Nelson wrote: Anyone know what his current email address is? It used to be bk11 at thuntek.net but he doesn't seem to answer it ... I notice it's been a while since SS updated that web site, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 06:36:05 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <515343.20896.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry about that last post. I had too many digits in the number. This post has the number listed in Dogpile.com. Some of you have mentioned that Mr. Sank lived in Albuquerque, NM. I do not know Mr. Sank however, I ran a Dogpile.com white pages search and found the following listing: S Sank 505-332-0336 Carmelita Dr NE Albuquerque, NM 87111-1738 I can not tell you if this is the person you seek, but if I was somebody who had a tape deck worth hundreds of dollars that had gone m.i.a. I would give the number a try. Good luck. Larry Graham Nelson wrote: Anyone know what his current email address is? It used to be bk11 at thuntek.net but he doesn't seem to answer it ... I notice it's been a while since SS updated that web site, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. Gra' ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Feb 25 07:04:22 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:04:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sank References: <515343.20896.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c758a2$cca0e070$89d117c4@home> That is the address Stephen Sank has been known to operate from.In Dec 2005 I phoned him there.So I was surprised that his website lists him as being in Arizona.Has anyone contacted him at the Aizona address? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Sachs To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sank Sorry about that last post. I had too many digits in the number. This post has the number listed in Dogpile.com. Some of you have mentioned that Mr. Sank lived in Albuquerque, NM. I do not know Mr. Sank however, I ran a Dogpile.com white pages search and found the following listing: S Sank 505-332-0336 Carmelita Dr NE Albuquerque, NM 87111-1738 I can not tell you if this is the person you seek, but if I was somebody who had a tape deck worth hundreds of dollars that had gone m.i.a. I would give the number a try. Good luck. Larry Graham Nelson wrote: Anyone know what his current email address is? It used to be bk11 at thuntek.net but he doesn't seem to answer it ... I notice it's been a while since SS updated that web site, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 25 07:50:21 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:50:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/24/2007 6:10:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: AFAIK, the CR-3 transport is not particularly unique. It's not the transport that's unique, it's the motors. Lumping a bunch of different decks together under the term "Sankyo transport" is not a very good categorization because there are two very separate transportation systems using that Sankyo mechanism, the two head, single capstan models and the three head dual capstan models. Lumping them together as "the Sankyo mechanism decks" is a misnomer, as the two groups are very, very different even if they share some parts. And, the CR-3 motor system is quite different from any other tape deck I have ever owned in that the motors come to a complete stop unless "Play" is engaged. Jeff


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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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I do not know Mr. Sank however, I ran a Dogpile.com white pages search and found the following listing: S Sank 505-332-0336 Carmelita Dr NE Albuquerque, NM 87111-1738 I can not tell you if this is the person you seek, but if I was somebody who had a tape deck worth hundreds of dollars that had gone m.i.a. I would give the number a try. Good luck. Larry Graham Nelson wrote: Anyone know what his current email address is? It used to be bk11 at thuntek.net but he doesn't seem to answer it ... I notice it's been a while since SS updated that web site, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 23 February 2007 13:51 To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Walter: Try this link: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm drewes wrote: 'ello 'ello,Steve is in Arizona? If you have his address there please email me offline.Sank was still in Albuqueque in Dec 2005 when I last spoke to him on a visit to the USA! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Ram: I doubt that would happen. My Nak has been there ( at Steve's place in New Mexico before he moved to Arizona recently ) since 2003 and I have not heard anything from him since. I more or less write it off already. Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, I shall definitely donate my dragon's tape head that you need, if( its a big if) Steve Sank returned the deck sans repairing it. I have mentally written it off....esp listening to what I hear. Await. Ram Hi Tech wrote: I just want to make sure it stays within Naktalk. I'd like to keep it here for the same reason that I have an unrepairable Dragon that needs a play head. Someday someone on Naktalk will need a ZX7 head. I'm sure there are snipers watching it, so I have a pretty high bid in on it. Thanks for checking. tom brucker (nakdoc) At 07:33 PM 2/21/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Is there a 'nakdoc' in the group? Someone by that name has bid on the ZX-7 headblock assembly. It could be useful as a spare for me, but it is not important enough that I bid against someone in the group. Tim Tim Barrett wrote: I've bid on the small top knobs (dolby, mpx filter and such) and the cassette door. My door is cosmetically challenged and one of the knobs is broken. All of my bias and rec level knobs are intact but am missing the covers. And I really don't care about the covers, they just get in my way. :-) Graham Nelson wrote: Bob I'll contact you off-list Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: 21 February 2007 22:33 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] EBay ZX-7 parts auction Gra, I need two of the bias knobs. I don't know how many he has but if there's a few maybe we can split them???? I'll go back and look to see how many he has. Bob Graham Nelson wrote: I've spotted the bias knob covers and will be bidding. 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Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 25 16:39:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:39:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E1AD97.5030601@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/24/2007 6:10:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > AFAIK, the CR-3 transport is not particularly unique. > > It's not the transport that's unique, it's the motors. Lumping a bunch > of different decks together under the term "Sankyo transport" is not a > very good categorization because there are two very separate > transportation systems using that Sankyo mechanism, the two head, single > capstan models and the three head dual capstan models. Lumping them > together as "the Sankyo mechanism decks" is a misnomer, as the two > groups are very, very different even if they share some parts. And, the > CR-3 motor system is quite different from any other tape deck I have > ever owned in that the motors come to a complete stop unless "Play" is > engaged. > Jeff Jeff, Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to mention, price). As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even though this significantly increases wear and routine maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations are different, which is why they chose to switch the motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. -- Ron From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 25 17:51:14 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:51:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/2007 7:48:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to mention, price). As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even though this significantly increases wear and routine maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations are different, which is why they chose to switch the motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. Hi Ron, I think it's a big mistake to lump the 3-head, 2-capstan Sankyo decks in with the 2-head, single capstan decks in a category called "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" as is commonly done on Naktalk, even by some of the Nak gurus like Tom. The single capstan and dual capstan decks represent 2 entirely different design strategies, with extremely different results as far as performance and specs go. Even if they share a lot of parts. Recently we had a big discussion about the LX-5 versus the BX-300. During that discussion, Tom made a lot of disparaging comments about "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." It turned out all his criticisms referred to the single-capstan decks, but he lumped all the dual-capstan decks into the same category too, as if by habit. I was the only person to call him on that, because this bogus category "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" is so deeply rooted on Naktalk. A BX-150 and a BX-300 may look alike on the outside, but their transport (and the resultant specs) are extremely different. The BX-150 has specs like a Sony, and the BX-300 has specs like a Dragon. So, for a real-world category, "The Sankyo Mechanism" is not very useful. There's actually 2 different categories there, "3 head, dual capstan with Sankyo mechanism" and "2 head, single capstan with Sankyo mechanism." As far as I can tell, the 2 head Sankyo decks are noticeably inferior in every way to the 3-head Sankyo decks, especially in their transport. It's not the Sankyo parts that make the difference, but the dual capstan versus single capstan. Therefore, a definition which uses "the Sankyo mechanism" as delineating factor isn't correct. During the "classic transport" heyday, Nak made 2 head decks with the dual-capstan design, like the 480, LX-3, and RX-303. With the introduction of the Sankyo mechanism, they stopped doing that. All the 2-head decks with the Sankyo mechanism have single capstans, and they have inferior specs to their older 2-head Nak dual capstan siblings. The issue there is, single capstan versus dual capstan - "Sankyo" doesn't really have a lot to do with it. The Sankyo mechanism 2 head decks seems to have been designed by Nakamichi to be deliberately cheaper decks, with less money committed to their manufacture. They took the design route, "You get what you pay for." The 2-capstan, 3-head Sankyo decks have specs which are as good or better than the classic transport 3 head decks. The BX-300 and CR-4 have wow-and-flutter bested only by the Dragon and ZX-9. Those specs are much better than the specs for the classic transport LX-5. When I pointed this out to Tom, first he said "specs don't matter" because his opinion of "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" was so firmly rooted in his mind he couldn't see it any other way. Of course, we've all been through something like that. So, my point is that lumping a lot of very, very different decks into a single category results in a useless term "Sankyo Mechanism Decks" from which little useful information can be determined. You can't tell whether a Nak is a good one or not from that term. You can tell the difference with the term "dual-capstan" for instance - it is a significantly predictive term which tells you it's one of the better-performing Naks. Some "Sankyo" decks are very high quality, and some are definitely less so, based not on the Sankyo parts, but their transport design strategy (dual- or single-capstan) and how many heads they have, which reflected how much money Nakamichi was willing to put into the manufacture. I'm enjoying my recently rebuilt ZX-7 BTW. Next I've got to something about my 680. The WD-40 thing is helping, but the supply-side pinch roller won't go the last 1/8 inch to get to the capstan. all the best Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 25 16:58:19 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:58:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <194592.33395.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070223091211.00865180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070225095819.008687e0@earthlink.net> I have a Yamaha C1 preamp, which uses a lot of shelp space. There were several Sansui huge receivers and integrated amps that also switched 3 (with full dubbing) Small referred to cabinet size. It might be nice to list here various models that switch 3 decks. tom brucker At 07:43 AM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, When you say only 'small' pre-amp what does that exactly mean? I used to have a McIntosh C33 that used to switch three tape decks and two turntables among other inputs in two seperate loops. But size wise, I doubt it would qualify as small. Bala Ganesh Hi Tech < wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- <Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the << http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbe ta/features_spam.html>free Yahoo! 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I was switching between 2 emails The PA 5 is a beautiful amp STASIS was a non-switching class AB that reduces a tiny bit of spike distortion at the crossover. Everything else was Nakamichi design. Ironically the 620 did away with crossover distortion by employing symmetrical design. It was one of the first amps to do this. 620 output transistors are made of "unobtanium", a technical joke for a discontinued part. They had fairly small Safe Operating Area, so my recommendation is to use this amplifier only with full range 6 to 8 ohm speakers. The oscillation you experienced might have been caused by the use of substitute transistors during a repair. The original outputs 2SD688 and 2SB618 are blue and gray. Nakamichi notoriously added parts to circuit boards. The first generation Dragons have many above board parts. I have always viewed this a sign that engineers continued to test production units and find improvements. tom brucker 06:02 PM 2/23/07 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Tom HiTech77, Thanks for noticing the humble webpage of my doing. Herb Shenk?? The Shenk part I can imagine, this is a common rewriting of my sirname. But Herb?? Knowing Herb Albert and maybe some more examples I dont know whether I should be offended. Im not easily, so& Pleased to meet you in cyberspace. The name is Henk Schenk The alias I use: ScHenk The Nakamichi aura extends beyond the classic cassette decks we all use and love. I recently acquired a PA5 Stasis main amp I think is very nice also. Heritance of a certain Nelson Pass& Ever heard of? Maybe Threshold? But this all falls well off topic in this forum. I wrote articles on other brands stuff on a separate website , mostly in Dutch though, www.audiofriends.nl My experiences with 3 of the 620 amps have given me the impression of the possible intrusion of oscillation. I blew up one channel when I was using it as a subwoofer amp and did not notice the oscillation until the amp had died. Also I heard stories of irreparable 620 in my whereabouts. Besides I noticed little caps on the back of the circuit boards on several samples that I thought of as stabilizing treats, so an instability might have been noticed and cured after the fact. For what its worth, I think the amp sounds marvelous and still does. Solid state amps are not my forte, but I would list this amp in my preferences. Keep listening to music, Henk (!) Schenk -------------------------- Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 25 16:58:17 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:58:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! In-Reply-To: <003501c75795$c96dac20$410110ac@gateway.2wire.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070223083035.00865cf0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070225095817.00869640@earthlink.net> The TD1200 was sent to Nakamichi. Their technicians took the deck and plugged it into a working chassis, and it did not operate. They then put a good deck into the TD1200 chassis and that did not work. Nakamichi returned it no charge, and declared it a total loss. I haven't even tried looking at it....\ tom brucker >I would like to have a chance at the td 1200 if you don't take the head out >or don't have the time to repair it your self. Let me know. >Thanks > >Rainer Sahlmueller (80stech) >joyell.solie at sasktel.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Hi Tech >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:30 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! > > >> It might be. I have a TD1200 parts unit. I guess it might be time to >check. >> I have been saving the TD 1200 for a rainy day when I can repair it. It >> came out of a Ferrari whose voltage regulator went bad. At 5ooo rpm the >> alternator put out 45 volts and blew every electronic thing in the car! >> >> Thanks for the idea Ben. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 07:22 PM 2/22/07 -0500, you wrote: >> >>>> >> Tom, >> Would the play head out of a TD-1200 mobile deck with NAAC be a substitute >> for the dragon head? >> Ben >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 25 17:13:53 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:13:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 680ZX Help wanted! In-Reply-To: <244380.89012.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <152837.13677.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070225101353.00869640@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 7607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 25 18:20:03 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 still sick Message-ID: <430409.90884.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I picked up the ZX7 for the third time and still not fixed. The tech had the pad lifter sitting on his workbench! OK no one's perfect. The service writer (head of the service dept.) told me that they tested it using a scope and all was well. I have no reason to doubt them. He told me to take it home and try it and if it has the same problem bring it back with the tape I'm using. I did that the second time but not this last time. I use Maxell XL2-100, XL2S-100, TDK SA-90. All of these work in all 8 other Naks including the other ZX7. It appears that shorter tapes are OK but I haven't done enuff testing to confirm but it "looks" that way. When these above mentioned tapes are used in the problem ZX7 they are no longer useable, on all 8 other Naks! You have to look hard at the tape itself but you can see that it's not in perfect condx any more. The left channel is worthless. We all know what that means. I then have to throw them away! I think I'm going to take it back again with a tape recorded on another Nak and tell them to keep it a month. Right now it's a boat anchor anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 18:33:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070225095819.008687e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070225173313.74551.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The McIntosh MC 40 switches 3 decks, 2 cds, 1 tuner, 1 aux/phono, and a tuner. Moreover, you could also hook up an balanced MR1 output to another balanced input of the MC 40. Great unit this one. If we need to add on more tape decks get Niles TSB-3 switcher and you are set for upto 12 decks. Only 1 thing. Please lable your Niles and the decks so you know whats where instead of trial and error. The Niles has totally neutral input. Pure switcher. No coloring at all. Thanks Ram Hi Tech wrote: I have a Yamaha C1 preamp, which uses a lot of shelp space. There were several Sansui huge receivers and integrated amps that also switched 3 (with full dubbing) Small referred to cabinet size. It might be nice to list here various models that switch 3 decks. tom brucker At 07:43 AM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, When you say only 'small' pre-amp what does that exactly mean? I used to have a McIntosh C33 that used to switch three tape decks and two turntables among other inputs in two seperate loops. But size wise, I doubt it would qualify as small. Bala Ganesh Hi Tech < wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the << http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbe ta/features_spam.html>free Yahoo! 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Thanks for putting all that out there. -Jesse (in Chicago) --- Steve Ember wrote: --------------------------------- I was surprised in reading the posts regarding accommodating large numbers of tape decks to small numbers of preamp/receiver inputs, that no one (and sorry if I missed any pertinent postings!) mentioned the superb routing switchers made by dbx--namely the 200- and 400-series. To the tape-hobbyist these units, in my experience, are leagues ahead of the other units I've seen in the posts in terms of their routing -- and monitoring -- capabilities. They are also useful when you have more line-level audio sources than inputs, although their real superiority lies in the multi tape deck domain. These were truly elegant, useful, and rationally designed units that allowed three tape decks to be monitored...or interconnected for cross-dubbing (with full monitoring flexibility!). Thus, typically, while one is, say, listening to an FM program, TP-1 can be feeding TP-2 and TP-3 in dubbing function. Not only that, but given 3-head decks, the dubs can be compared to the original by simply going to tape monitor on the preamp/receiver, and selecting the correct monitor button on the dbx router. When satisfied with your Rolling Stones dubs, back you go to Beethoven on the FM... But wait, it gets better: the dbx units had a NR loop that could be accessed by any deck in the rig. Perhaps more useful if some decks were open reel with need for external Dolby or dbx NRs, but also greatly useful for cassette decks old enough to be Dolby-B ONLY. Thus, an external Dolby B/C encode/decode unit (or even a dbx-II) can be inserted to improve S/N on such decks. Better still, these units also had THREE external processor loops, independent of the NR loop, which meant, if one had material that needed correcting -- EQ, single ended de-noising, etc.) such processors could be injected into the dubbing or listening path. Lastly, these units, in addition to being supremely intuitive, with exceptional instruction manuals, were absolutely sexy in appearance -- especially the 400-series which had small, tasteful status lights in red, amber, and green depending on function/routing selected, plus all the selector buttons (small squares) were illuminated in red. The 200- units were non-powered and performed the routing functions with rotary switches. The units had tasteful black panels and were rack width, one RU high. Not only that, but being products of the '80s, they were quality-built in Japan...like our better Naks! If the foregoing sounds like a commercial, I can tell you that, having owned and used several of these units, both 200- and 400-series, dbx truly did their homework in designing these -- one of the most useful enhancements the multi-deck owner could desire. I believe the list-member who started this thread wanted to work nine decks into his monitor loops. My experience: In my studio, I was actually running a combination of nine open-reel and cassette decks, for which I required sequential monitoring, especially regarding multiple copies among decks. The dbx units facilitated this wonderfully. Each unit's output was sent to a fader-pair on my (former) mixing console. Voila! I also used a few for routing other line-level sources to the console's limited number of faders. Additionally, I use such a unit in my main listening system, to facillitate connection of multiple line-level sources. To accomplish the nine-deck monitoring function (as well as the cross-dubbing and other functions mentioned above): 3 dbx-200 or -400 units would do it elegantly. Considering the more tape-friendly preamps or receivers, typically with two separate Tape Monitor loops (or the exceptionally tape-friendly Yamaha C-1 with THREE such loops), it's a simple matter to connect a dbx switcher to each loop. Absent multiple Tape Monitor loops, AUX or Tuner inputs would serve this purpose, at least for those decks you use exclusively for playback. Another plan would be if your preamp/receiver has an "External Processor" loop. Hope the foregoing proves helpful. I should mention also that, should anyone be interested, I do have a "surplus" of well-cared for (some mint) dbx routers in both the 200- and 400-series that I'll be selling. And ONLY because I recently upgraded to a much larger mixing console in my studio, allowing more dedicated inputs/less external routing units. As this thread has become quite extensive, I thought I'd first offer my surplus units to interested NakTalk members, before turning to ebay. I'm also selling some surplus Nak decks in fine condition and a couple of the rare Nak system timers. If anyone's interested, kindly contact me off-list. Steve Ember emberphoto at hotmail.com --------------------------------- Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 25 23:56:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:56:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Multi-Deck Switchers Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/2007 2:18:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jeruff at yahoo.com writes: Hello, I'm definitely interested in picking one of these up, as I've been looking at the 200 series rounters for a while. I didn't know about the 400s until just now. Is there any difference between the 200 and 400 other than power and lights? If it's just that, I could live without the lights. Also, do you have the manuals that go along with them? Would $50 cover the cost of a 200 with a manual and shipping? (Is there anything substantially different/better between the 200 and the 200x?) Finally, these aren't actually rack-mountable though, right? I've never seen one with rack ears. Thanks for putting all that out there. -Jesse (in Chicago) I used several DBX route selectors for a long time, but have now switched (haha) to Nak pre-amps hooked up to a Nak receiver's tape inputs. Like everyone has pointed out, the 610 allows 3 tape decks to be connected thru it. The one problem I had with the DBX units was that the switches wore out. The 200 was more prone to that than the 400, but I've run through several of both of them. But, I used them a lot. For the price I paid for them, they were a pretty good deal. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Mon Feb 26 00:28:37 2007 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:28:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Routing Switchers Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Mon Feb 26 01:17:59 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:17:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE; A question of transport [Bansijeff@aol.com] Message-ID: <200702260018.l1Q0Hw5V012971@zxe.naks.com> Hello Jeff, I understand your remarks on the qualities of the different transports, classical and Sankyo. The primary difference between single and double capstan versions is important, I concur. This brings me to the point that the classical transport is always double capstan, so this might contribute to the liking of this particular transport. As far as the supposedly disparaging comments of Tom Bruckner; I respect every comment of Tom, as he brings a wealth of knowledge to us. And furthermore it brings to my mind what for me is the big differentiating aspect of the classic transport, opposed to the Sankyo siblings. The Classical Transport of Nakamichi was brought into life when the cassette medium had developed into a serious HiFi contender. And Nakamichi pushed the envelope with early contributions of extreme quality the TriTracers. After this they developed the unique diffused resonance double capstan concept we now call the classic transport. This put Nakamichi into their own realm of cassette excellence, in my view. The later products, based on Sankyo transports were not unique, as other manufacturers were using this same basic transports in their products. This is an important difference from my point of view. The basic differences between Nak and other brands decks were therefore diminished. From a emotional point, not technological point of view, this puts the Sankyo transport into a second place opposed to the classic transport in the legacy of Nakamichi. My CR3, CR4 and BX300 are examples of transports that have very good stability. My MR-1 is (by coincidence) exemplary in stability. The CR7 is the most stable transport I probably have, and it surely sounds like it. So I do understand the basic quality of the Sankyo siblings in the technological sence. Listening to a mint TT1000 is still an unbeatable experience for me. But that result comprises both electronics and transport, measurably both not too hot. But the sound is to my liking the best I can get. Now something else; the switchboxes I made are littered with 1,5 mm2 thick solid core copper leads, normally used in house construction. In the short runs for the switch boxes this material is almost zero impedance. Happy listening, Henk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 26 02:46:46 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:46:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Multi-Deck Switchers In-Reply-To: <983687.46377.qm@web82607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <983687.46377.qm@web82607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E23C06.8070501@snet.net> Don't know what I'd do without my 200. It's all passive so no output buffering, but with three tape deck loops, not to mention three processor loops (or additional sources), the DBX can handle just about any need. Ed jesse ruff wrote: >Hello, >I'm definitely interested in picking one of these up, >as I've been looking at the 200 series rounters for a >while. I didn't know about the 400s until just now. >Is there any difference between the 200 and 400 other >than power and lights? If it's just that, I could >live without the lights. Also, do you have the >manuals that go along with them? Would $50 cover the >cost of a 200 with a manual and shipping? (Is there >anything substantially different/better between the >200 and the 200x?) Finally, these aren't actually >rack-mountable though, right? I've never seen one >with rack ears. Thanks for putting all that out >there. >-Jesse (in Chicago) >--- Steve Ember wrote: > > >--------------------------------- > >I was surprised in reading the posts regarding >accommodating large numbers of tape decks to small >numbers of preamp/receiver inputs, that no one (and >sorry if I missed any pertinent postings!) mentioned >the superb routing switchers made by dbx--namely the >200- and 400-series. > >To the tape-hobbyist these units, in my experience, >are leagues ahead of the other units I've seen in the >posts in terms of their routing -- and monitoring -- >capabilities. They are also useful when you have more >line-level audio sources than inputs, although their >real superiority lies in the multi tape deck domain. > >These were truly elegant, useful, and rationally >designed units that allowed three tape decks to be >monitored...or interconnected for cross-dubbing (with >full monitoring flexibility!). Thus, typically, while >one is, say, listening to an FM program, TP-1 can be >feeding TP-2 and TP-3 in dubbing function. Not only >that, but given 3-head decks, the dubs can be compared >to the original by simply going to tape monitor on the >preamp/receiver, and selecting the correct monitor >button on the dbx router. When satisfied with your >Rolling Stones dubs, back you go to Beethoven on the >FM... > >But wait, it gets better: the dbx units had a NR loop >that could be accessed by any deck in the rig. >Perhaps more useful if some decks were open reel with >need for external Dolby or dbx NRs, but also greatly >useful for cassette decks old enough to be Dolby-B >ONLY. Thus, an external Dolby B/C encode/decode unit >(or even a dbx-II) can be inserted to improve S/N on >such decks. > >Better still, these units also had THREE external >processor loops, independent of the NR loop, which >meant, if one had material that needed correcting -- >EQ, single ended de-noising, etc.) such processors >could be injected into the dubbing or listening path. > >Lastly, these units, in addition to being supremely >intuitive, with exceptional instruction manuals, were >absolutely sexy in appearance -- especially the >400-series which had small, tasteful status lights in >red, amber, and green depending on function/routing >selected, plus all the selector buttons (small >squares) were illuminated in red. The 200- units were >non-powered and performed the routing functions with >rotary switches. The units had tasteful black panels >and were rack width, one RU high. Not only that, but >being products of the '80s, they were quality-built in >Japan...like our better Naks! > >If the foregoing sounds like a commercial, I can tell >you that, having owned and used several of these >units, both 200- and 400-series, dbx truly did their >homework in designing these -- one of the most useful >enhancements the multi-deck owner could desire. > >I believe the list-member who started this thread >wanted to work nine decks into his monitor loops. My >experience: In my studio, I was actually running a >combination of nine open-reel and cassette decks, for >which I required sequential monitoring, especially >regarding multiple copies among decks. The dbx units >facilitated this wonderfully. Each unit's output was >sent to a fader-pair on my (former) mixing console. >Voila! I also used a few for routing other line-level >sources to the console's limited number of faders. >Additionally, I use such a unit in my main listening >system, to facillitate connection of multiple >line-level sources. > >To accomplish the nine-deck monitoring function (as >well as the cross-dubbing and other functions >mentioned above): 3 dbx-200 or -400 units would do it >elegantly. Considering the more tape-friendly preamps >or receivers, typically with two separate Tape Monitor >loops (or the exceptionally tape-friendly Yamaha C-1 >with THREE such loops), it's a simple matter to >connect a dbx switcher to each loop. Absent multiple >Tape Monitor loops, AUX or Tuner inputs would serve >this purpose, at least for those decks you use >exclusively for playback. Another plan would be if >your preamp/receiver has an "External Processor" loop. > >Hope the foregoing proves helpful. > >I should mention also that, should anyone be >interested, I do have a "surplus" of well-cared for >(some mint) dbx routers in both the 200- and >400-series that I'll be selling. And ONLY because I >recently upgraded to a much larger mixing console in >my studio, allowing more dedicated inputs/less >external routing units. As this thread has become >quite extensive, I thought I'd first offer my surplus >units to interested NakTalk members, before turning to >ebay. I'm also selling some surplus Nak decks in fine >condition and a couple of the rare Nak system timers. >If anyone's interested, kindly contact me off-list. > >Steve Ember > >emberphoto at hotmail.com > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your >brain. PLAY now for FREE. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! >>http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 26 02:47:54 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:47:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Multi-Deck Switchers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E23C4A.7000802@snet.net> TRUE, the switches can be a problem, but I have been successful with cleaning them. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2007 2:18:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jeruff at yahoo.com writes: > > Hello, > I'm definitely interested in picking one of these up, > as I've been looking at the 200 series rounters for a > while. I didn't know about the 400s until just now. > Is there any difference between the 200 and 400 other > than power and lights? If it's just that, I could > live without the lights. Also, do you have the > manuals that go along with them? Would $50 cover the > cost of a 200 with a manual and shipping? (Is there > anything substantially different/better between the > 200 and the 200x?) Finally, these aren't actually > rack-mountable though, right? I've never seen one > with rack ears. Thanks for putting all that out > there. > -Jesse (in Chicago) > > I used several DBX route selectors for a long time, but have now > switched (haha) to Nak pre-amps hooked up to a Nak receiver's tape > inputs. Like everyone has pointed out, the 610 allows 3 tape decks to > be connected thru it. > The one problem I had with the DBX units was that the switches wore > out. The 200 was more prone to that than the 400, but I've run > through several of both of them. But, I used them a lot. For the > price I paid for them, they were a pretty good deal. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com > . > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Mon Feb 26 03:53:53 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:53:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Multi-Deck Switchers In-Reply-To: <45E23C4A.7000802@snet.net> References: <45E23C4A.7000802@snet.net> Message-ID: Heres what I have. As far as I am concerned, its a unique and indespensable new pro-tool. Ansolutely the best for tape recordists. Use this with a simple Teac jusnction box. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2003/SRM-80A.html On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:47:54 -0600, Edward Noyes wrote: > TRUE, the switches can be a problem, but I have been successful with > cleaning them. > > Ed > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/25/2007 2:18:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> jeruff at yahoo.com writes: >> >> Hello, >> I'm definitely interested in picking one of these up, >> as I've been looking at the 200 series rounters for a >> while. I didn't know about the 400s until just now. >> Is there any difference between the 200 and 400 other >> than power and lights? If it's just that, I could >> live without the lights. Also, do you have the >> manuals that go along with them? Would $50 cover the >> cost of a 200 with a manual and shipping? (Is there >> anything substantially different/better between the >> 200 and the 200x?) Finally, these aren't actually >> rack-mountable though, right? I've never seen one >> with rack ears. Thanks for putting all that out >> there. >> -Jesse (in Chicago) >> >> I used several DBX route selectors for a long time, but have now >> switched (haha) to Nak pre-amps hooked up to a Nak receiver's tape >> inputs. Like everyone has pointed out, the 610 allows 3 tape decks to >> be connected thru it. >> The one problem I had with the DBX units was that the switches wore >> out. The 200 was more prone to that than the 400, but I've run >> through several of both of them. But, I used them a lot. For the >> price I paid for them, they were a pretty good deal. >> Jeff >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >> from AOL at AOL.com >> . >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -- From craig at leckband.com Mon Feb 26 04:28:14 2007 From: craig at leckband.com (Craig Leckband) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:28:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] request for a bias adjustment knob for ZX-7 Message-ID: <45E253CE.8010907@leckband.com> Hi all, I have been reading with interest and watching the auctions for the parts of the ZX-7 this week. The auction for the bias control knobs (set of 11, he lost one) has just closed. I had intended to bid, but I thought it likely that someone here on this list would be bidding against me. If the winner of that auction could part with one of the knobs, I would put it to good use. Please contact me off list if you have interest in recouping some of your investment. Regards, Craig craig at leckband.com From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 05:25:11 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:25:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] request for a bias adjustment knob for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <45E253CE.8010907@leckband.com> Message-ID: <278560.20404.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I need 2 of them. Bob Craig Leckband wrote: Hi all, I have been reading with interest and watching the auctions for the parts of the ZX-7 this week. The auction for the bias control knobs (set of 11, he lost one) has just closed. I had intended to bid, but I thought it likely that someone here on this list would be bidding against me. If the winner of that auction could part with one of the knobs, I would put it to good use. Please contact me off list if you have interest in recouping some of your investment. Regards, Craig craig at leckband.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Feb 26 07:12:40 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:12:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: <699957.78823.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 25 February 2007 11:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sank Hi all, Steves address is Talking Dog Tranducer Company 336 East fort Lowell, suite 101 Tuscon, AZ 85705 505-410-4951 Try that number. He picks up the phone Mon through Sat. I sent him the Dragon there and he received it........still has it though......over 6 months. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 08:12:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:12:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] RE; A question of transport [Bansijeff@aol.com] Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/2007 4:26:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, henkschenk at wishmail.nl writes: As far as the supposedly disparaging comments of Tom Bruckner; I respect every comment of Tom, as he brings a wealth of knowledge to us. Dag Henk, Oops. I didn't mean to disparage Tom, or sound as if I disparage him. We just disagree about "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." There's no one I'd rather have work on my "classic transport" decks than Tom or any other Nak-trained technician who really loves them. All the best Jeff


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Many Thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 26 15:22:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E2ED1B.6050607@rcn.com> Jeff, We can argue this until we are blue in the face and still not reach agreement. This is because our perspectives are so different. I view the issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as an end user. To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I view them as two versions of the same car (as does Toyota) since, engineering wise, they are. What they do represent are different marketing strategies within the Camry product line. This is true for *any* product line that encompasses several models, each progressively more advanced and more expensive, each addressing a different market segment. Let's agree to disagree. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2007 7:48:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' > parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer > no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and > the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to > mention, price). > > As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play > mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, > rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed > stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head > decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, > they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even > though this significantly increases wear and routine > maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations > are different, which is why they chose to switch the > motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. > > Hi Ron, > > I think it's a big mistake to lump the 3-head, 2-capstan Sankyo decks in > with the 2-head, single capstan decks in a category called "The Sankyo > Mechanism Decks" as is commonly done on Naktalk, even by some of the Nak > gurus like Tom. The single capstan and dual capstan decks represent 2 > entirely different design strategies, with extremely different results > as far as performance and specs go. Even if they share a lot of parts. > > Recently we had a big discussion about the LX-5 versus the BX-300. > During that discussion, Tom made a lot of disparaging comments about > "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." It turned out all his criticisms referred > to the single-capstan decks, but he lumped all the dual-capstan decks > into the same category too, as if by habit. I was the only person to > call him on that, because this bogus category "The Sankyo Mechanism > Decks" is so deeply rooted on Naktalk. A BX-150 and a BX-300 may look > alike on the outside, but their transport (and the resultant specs) are > extremely different. The BX-150 has specs like a Sony, and the BX-300 > has specs like a Dragon. > > So, for a real-world category, "The Sankyo Mechanism" is not very > useful. There's actually 2 different categories there, "3 head, dual > capstan with Sankyo mechanism" and "2 head, single capstan with Sankyo > mechanism." As far as I can tell, the 2 head Sankyo decks are > noticeably inferior in every way to the 3-head Sankyo decks, especially > in their transport. It's not the Sankyo parts that make the difference, > but the dual capstan versus single capstan. Therefore, a definition > which uses "the Sankyo mechanism" as delineating factor isn't correct. > > During the "classic transport" heyday, Nak made 2 head decks with the > dual-capstan design, like the 480, LX-3, and RX-303. With the > introduction of the Sankyo mechanism, they stopped doing that. All the > 2-head decks with the Sankyo mechanism have single capstans, and they > have inferior specs to their older 2-head Nak dual capstan siblings. > The issue there is, single capstan versus dual capstan - "Sankyo" > doesn't really have a lot to do with it. The Sankyo mechanism 2 head > decks seems to have been designed by Nakamichi to be deliberately > cheaper decks, with less money committed to their manufacture. They > took the design route, "You get what you pay for." > > The 2-capstan, 3-head Sankyo decks have specs which are as good or > better than the classic transport 3 head decks. The BX-300 and CR-4 > have wow-and-flutter bested only by the Dragon and ZX-9. Those specs > are much better than the specs for the classic transport LX-5. When I > pointed this out to Tom, first he said "specs don't matter" because his > opinion of "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" was so firmly rooted in his mind > he couldn't see it any other way. Of course, we've all been through > something like that. > > So, my point is that lumping a lot of very, very different decks into a > single category results in a useless term "Sankyo Mechanism Decks" from > which little useful information can be determined. You can't tell > whether a Nak is a good one or not from that term. You /can/ tell the > difference with the term "dual-capstan" for instance - it is a > significantly predictive term which tells you it's one of the > better-performing Naks. Some "Sankyo" decks are very high quality, and > some are definitely less so, based not on the Sankyo parts, but their > transport design strategy (dual- or single-capstan) and how many heads > they have, which reflected how much money Nakamichi was willing to put > into the manufacture. > > I'm enjoying my recently rebuilt ZX-7 BTW. Next I've got to something > about my 680. The WD-40 thing is helping, but the supply-side pinch > roller won't go the last 1/8 inch to get to the capstan. > > all the best > > Jeff From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Feb 26 15:32:54 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:32:54 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070225095819.008687e0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070223091211.00865180@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070225095819.008687e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D68@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Nak TA-4 has three tape loops and a loop between amp and preamp. Also has record out (you can listen to one source, record another)which is great. I have a Philips 760 CDR, Nak CR-5 and use the third for my MP3 to hook up. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org I have a Yamaha C1 preamp, which uses a lot of shelp space. There were several Sansui huge receivers and integrated amps that also switched 3 (with full dubbing) Small referred to cabinet size. It might be nice to list here various models that switch 3 decks. tom brucker At 07:43 AM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, When you say only 'small' pre-amp what does that exactly mean? I used to have a McIntosh C33 that used to switch three tape decks and two turntables among other inputs in two seperate loops. But size wise, I doubt it would qualify as small. Bala Ganesh Hi Tech < wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------- <Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the << http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49981/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/ma ilbe ta/features_spam.html>free Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------== ==== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 15:39:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:39:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <45E2ED1B.6050607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <357082.90620.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? Ram Ron wrote: Jeff, We can argue this until we are blue in the face and still not reach agreement. This is because our perspectives are so different. I view the issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as an end user. To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I view them as two versions of the same car (as does Toyota) since, engineering wise, they are. What they do represent are different marketing strategies within the Camry product line. This is true for *any* product line that encompasses several models, each progressively more advanced and more expensive, each addressing a different market segment. Let's agree to disagree. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2007 7:48:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' > parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer > no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and > the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to > mention, price). > > As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play > mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, > rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed > stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head > decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, > they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even > though this significantly increases wear and routine > maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations > are different, which is why they chose to switch the > motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. > > Hi Ron, > > I think it's a big mistake to lump the 3-head, 2-capstan Sankyo decks in > with the 2-head, single capstan decks in a category called "The Sankyo > Mechanism Decks" as is commonly done on Naktalk, even by some of the Nak > gurus like Tom. The single capstan and dual capstan decks represent 2 > entirely different design strategies, with extremely different results > as far as performance and specs go. Even if they share a lot of parts. > > Recently we had a big discussion about the LX-5 versus the BX-300. > During that discussion, Tom made a lot of disparaging comments about > "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." It turned out all his criticisms referred > to the single-capstan decks, but he lumped all the dual-capstan decks > into the same category too, as if by habit. I was the only person to > call him on that, because this bogus category "The Sankyo Mechanism > Decks" is so deeply rooted on Naktalk. A BX-150 and a BX-300 may look > alike on the outside, but their transport (and the resultant specs) are > extremely different. The BX-150 has specs like a Sony, and the BX-300 > has specs like a Dragon. > > So, for a real-world category, "The Sankyo Mechanism" is not very > useful. There's actually 2 different categories there, "3 head, dual > capstan with Sankyo mechanism" and "2 head, single capstan with Sankyo > mechanism." As far as I can tell, the 2 head Sankyo decks are > noticeably inferior in every way to the 3-head Sankyo decks, especially > in their transport. It's not the Sankyo parts that make the difference, > but the dual capstan versus single capstan. Therefore, a definition > which uses "the Sankyo mechanism" as delineating factor isn't correct. > > During the "classic transport" heyday, Nak made 2 head decks with the > dual-capstan design, like the 480, LX-3, and RX-303. With the > introduction of the Sankyo mechanism, they stopped doing that. All the > 2-head decks with the Sankyo mechanism have single capstans, and they > have inferior specs to their older 2-head Nak dual capstan siblings. > The issue there is, single capstan versus dual capstan - "Sankyo" > doesn't really have a lot to do with it. The Sankyo mechanism 2 head > decks seems to have been designed by Nakamichi to be deliberately > cheaper decks, with less money committed to their manufacture. They > took the design route, "You get what you pay for." > > The 2-capstan, 3-head Sankyo decks have specs which are as good or > better than the classic transport 3 head decks. The BX-300 and CR-4 > have wow-and-flutter bested only by the Dragon and ZX-9. Those specs > are much better than the specs for the classic transport LX-5. When I > pointed this out to Tom, first he said "specs don't matter" because his > opinion of "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" was so firmly rooted in his mind > he couldn't see it any other way. Of course, we've all been through > something like that. > > So, my point is that lumping a lot of very, very different decks into a > single category results in a useless term "Sankyo Mechanism Decks" from > which little useful information can be determined. You can't tell > whether a Nak is a good one or not from that term. You /can/ tell the > difference with the term "dual-capstan" for instance - it is a > significantly predictive term which tells you it's one of the > better-performing Naks. Some "Sankyo" decks are very high quality, and > some are definitely less so, based not on the Sankyo parts, but their > transport design strategy (dual- or single-capstan) and how many heads > they have, which reflected how much money Nakamichi was willing to put > into the manufacture. > > I'm enjoying my recently rebuilt ZX-7 BTW. Next I've got to something > about my 680. The WD-40 thing is helping, but the supply-side pinch > roller won't go the last 1/8 inch to get to the capstan. > > all the best > > Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 16:03:55 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <357082.90620.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <622752.81480.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My LX5 does NOT run the capstans when powered up. Only play mode. Don't know about FF & REW. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? Ram Ron wrote: Jeff, We can argue this until we are blue in the face and still not reach agreement. This is because our perspectives are so different. I view the issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as an end user. To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I view them as two versions of the same car (as does Toyota) since, engineering wise, they are. What they do represent are different marketing strategies within the Camry product line. This is true for *any* product line that encompasses several models, each progressively more advanced and more expensive, each addressing a different market segment. Let's agree to disagree. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2007 7:48:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' > parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer > no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and > the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to > mention, price). > > As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play > mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, > rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed > stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head > decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, > they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even > though this significantly increases wear and routine > maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations > are different, which is why they chose to switch the > motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. > > Hi Ron, > > I think it's a big mistake to lump the 3-head, 2-capstan Sankyo decks in > with the 2-head, single capstan decks in a category called "The Sankyo > Mechanism Decks" as is commonly done on Naktalk, even by some of the Nak > gurus like Tom. The single capstan and dual capstan decks represent 2 > entirely different design strategies, with extremely different results > as far as performance and specs go. Even if they share a lot of parts. > > Recently we had a big discussion about the LX-5 versus the BX-300. > During that discussion, Tom made a lot of disparaging comments about > "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." It turned out all his criticisms referred > to the single-capstan decks, but he lumped all the dual-capstan decks > into the same category too, as if by habit. I was the only person to > call him on that, because this bogus category "The Sankyo Mechanism > Decks" is so deeply rooted on Naktalk. A BX-150 and a BX-300 may look > alike on the outside, but their transport (and the resultant specs) are > extremely different. The BX-150 has specs like a Sony, and the BX-300 > has specs like a Dragon. > > So, for a real-world category, "The Sankyo Mechanism" is not very > useful. There's actually 2 different categories there, "3 head, dual > capstan with Sankyo mechanism" and "2 head, single capstan with Sankyo > mechanism." As far as I can tell, the 2 head Sankyo decks are > noticeably inferior in every way to the 3-head Sankyo decks, especially > in their transport. It's not the Sankyo parts that make the difference, > but the dual capstan versus single capstan. Therefore, a definition > which uses "the Sankyo mechanism" as delineating factor isn't correct. > > During the "classic transport" heyday, Nak made 2 head decks with the > dual-capstan design, like the 480, LX-3, and RX-303. With the > introduction of the Sankyo mechanism, they stopped doing that. All the > 2-head decks with the Sankyo mechanism have single capstans, and they > have inferior specs to their older 2-head Nak dual capstan siblings. > The issue there is, single capstan versus dual capstan - "Sankyo" > doesn't really have a lot to do with it. The Sankyo mechanism 2 head > decks seems to have been designed by Nakamichi to be deliberately > cheaper decks, with less money committed to their manufacture. They > took the design route, "You get what you pay for." > > The 2-capstan, 3-head Sankyo decks have specs which are as good or > better than the classic transport 3 head decks. The BX-300 and CR-4 > have wow-and-flutter bested only by the Dragon and ZX-9. Those specs > are much better than the specs for the classic transport LX-5. When I > pointed this out to Tom, first he said "specs don't matter" because his > opinion of "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" was so firmly rooted in his mind > he couldn't see it any other way. Of course, we've all been through > something like that. > > So, my point is that lumping a lot of very, very different decks into a > single category results in a useless term "Sankyo Mechanism Decks" from > which little useful information can be determined. You can't tell > whether a Nak is a good one or not from that term. You /can/ tell the > difference with the term "dual-capstan" for instance - it is a > significantly predictive term which tells you it's one of the > better-performing Naks. Some "Sankyo" decks are very high quality, and > some are definitely less so, based not on the Sankyo parts, but their > transport design strategy (dual- or single-capstan) and how many heads > they have, which reflected how much money Nakamichi was willing to put > into the manufacture. > > I'm enjoying my recently rebuilt ZX-7 BTW. Next I've got to something > about my 680. The WD-40 thing is helping, but the supply-side pinch > roller won't go the last 1/8 inch to get to the capstan. > > all the best > > Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 16:09:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:09:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <622752.81480.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070226150918.23561.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> During rew/ ff i dont know. Gotta check. Logically though they should run. Le tme knwo I shall too. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: My LX5 does NOT run the capstans when powered up. Only play mode. Don't know about FF & REW. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? Ram Ron wrote: Jeff, We can argue this until we are blue in the face and still not reach agreement. This is because our perspectives are so different. I view the issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as an end user. To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I view them as two versions of the same car (as does Toyota) since, engineering wise, they are. What they do represent are different marketing strategies within the Camry product line. This is true for *any* product line that encompasses several models, each progressively more advanced and more expensive, each addressing a different market segment. Let's agree to disagree. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2007 7:48:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Just to clarify: Sankyo transports share not just 'some' > parts but 'most' parts. 'Sankyo transport' is a misnomer > no more than 'Toyota Camry' is, even though the CE and > the XLE versions differ in many, many aspects (not to > mention, price). > > As to the CR-3 running the capstan motor only in play > mode, this is not a function of the transport, but, > rather, the deck itself. In general, a motor's speed > stabilizes after running for a few minutes. In 3 head > decks, where performance is a foremost consideration, > they chose to run the capstan motor constantly, even > though this significantly increases wear and routine > maintenance requirements. In 2 head decks considerations > are different, which is why they chose to switch the > motor off when possible. This can be easily modified. > > Hi Ron, > > I think it's a big mistake to lump the 3-head, 2-capstan Sankyo decks in > with the 2-head, single capstan decks in a category called "The Sankyo > Mechanism Decks" as is commonly done on Naktalk, even by some of the Nak > gurus like Tom. The single capstan and dual capstan decks represent 2 > entirely different design strategies, with extremely different results > as far as performance and specs go. Even if they share a lot of parts. > > Recently we had a big discussion about the LX-5 versus the BX-300. > During that discussion, Tom made a lot of disparaging comments about > "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks." It turned out all his criticisms referred > to the single-capstan decks, but he lumped all the dual-capstan decks > into the same category too, as if by habit. I was the only person to > call him on that, because this bogus category "The Sankyo Mechanism > Decks" is so deeply rooted on Naktalk. A BX-150 and a BX-300 may look > alike on the outside, but their transport (and the resultant specs) are > extremely different. The BX-150 has specs like a Sony, and the BX-300 > has specs like a Dragon. > > So, for a real-world category, "The Sankyo Mechanism" is not very > useful. There's actually 2 different categories there, "3 head, dual > capstan with Sankyo mechanism" and "2 head, single capstan with Sankyo > mechanism." As far as I can tell, the 2 head Sankyo decks are > noticeably inferior in every way to the 3-head Sankyo decks, especially > in their transport. It's not the Sankyo parts that make the difference, > but the dual capstan versus single capstan. Therefore, a definition > which uses "the Sankyo mechanism" as delineating factor isn't correct. > > During the "classic transport" heyday, Nak made 2 head decks with the > dual-capstan design, like the 480, LX-3, and RX-303. With the > introduction of the Sankyo mechanism, they stopped doing that. All the > 2-head decks with the Sankyo mechanism have single capstans, and they > have inferior specs to their older 2-head Nak dual capstan siblings. > The issue there is, single capstan versus dual capstan - "Sankyo" > doesn't really have a lot to do with it. The Sankyo mechanism 2 head > decks seems to have been designed by Nakamichi to be deliberately > cheaper decks, with less money committed to their manufacture. They > took the design route, "You get what you pay for." > > The 2-capstan, 3-head Sankyo decks have specs which are as good or > better than the classic transport 3 head decks. The BX-300 and CR-4 > have wow-and-flutter bested only by the Dragon and ZX-9. Those specs > are much better than the specs for the classic transport LX-5. When I > pointed this out to Tom, first he said "specs don't matter" because his > opinion of "The Sankyo Mechanism Decks" was so firmly rooted in his mind > he couldn't see it any other way. Of course, we've all been through > something like that. > > So, my point is that lumping a lot of very, very different decks into a > single category results in a useless term "Sankyo Mechanism Decks" from > which little useful information can be determined. You can't tell > whether a Nak is a good one or not from that term. You /can/ tell the > difference with the term "dual-capstan" for instance - it is a > significantly predictive term which tells you it's one of the > better-performing Naks. Some "Sankyo" decks are very high quality, and > some are definitely less so, based not on the Sankyo parts, but their > transport design strategy (dual- or single-capstan) and how many heads > they have, which reflected how much money Nakamichi was willing to put > into the manufacture. > > I'm enjoying my recently rebuilt ZX-7 BTW. Next I've got to something > about my 680. The WD-40 thing is helping, but the supply-side pinch > roller won't go the last 1/8 inch to get to the capstan. > > all the best > > Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 26 16:12:24 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:12:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 93 In-Reply-To: <480DCF78-B2EB-4B1E-AF4B-94B48F31682D@mac.com> References: <200702231515.l1NFFmFj003729@zxe.naks.com> <200702231515.l1NFFmFj003729@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070226091224.0085b170@earthlink.net> Fred, I used to do Alpines back in the day! I had a 7307 running a pair of ADS 2002 in my Datsun B210. I can work on your Alpine, but there may be a delay to order a service manual. When I was no longer an Alpine service center, they had settled on one cassette mechanism. I'll bet they are still using it. Begin searching eBay for a TD500 or TD700. There are a few other high quality non-Nak car decks, vintage of course, that I can post to NakTalk if you are interested . tom At 01:40 PM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> I guess Nakamichi didn't make that alternator! Makes me glad I drive Subarus... Speaking of which, Tom would you be willing to work on my Alpine 7618 head unit? The cassette section has given out and now I can't play my lovely Nak made tapes in the car... cheers, Fred On Feb 23, 2007, at 7:15 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: From: Hi Tech <hitech77 at earthlink.net> Date: February 23, 2007 6:30:35 AM PST To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry to cause anxiety to Dragon owners! Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> It might be. I have a TD1200 parts unit. I guess it might be time to check. I have been saving the TD 1200 for a rainy day when I can repair it. It came out of a Ferrari whose voltage regulator went bad. At 5ooo rpm the alternator put out 45 volts and blew every electronic thing in the car! Thanks for the idea Ben. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 16:15:46 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:15:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:51:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? CR-3


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 16:28:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:28:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070226152813.31672.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Lexus Flagship was not built on any Camry guys. the lexus flagship was started from the groung up! The smaller Lexus was a rebadged camry. Just wanted to set the records straight there. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I'd say it's more like a Camry and a Lexus - the Lexus is (or was) built on a Camry chassis. You apparently think that makes them the same car. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 26 16:50:34 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:20:34 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: <003e01c759bd$dc0b0830$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Yes, i noticed that in the DR2 as well ... capstans rotate ONLY during play. Btw, i also noticed that the DR2 and CD1 have the same specs, circuit and transport ... so whats the diff ?? looks ? Soumi >Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. >The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? >Ram From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 16:50:20 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:50:20 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 7:37:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: the lexus flagship was started from the groung up! The smaller Lexus was a rebadged camry. Just wanted to set the records straight there. Ron thinks they're all the same, because they share the same transport mechanism - wheels. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Feb 26 16:59:11 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:59:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <003e01c759bd$dc0b0830$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is it true that the capstans rotate only on DUAL CAPSTANS system(s) when powers up? It seems to me that the even with 3-Heads deck, if the system is only single capstan, the capstan will not rotate when power is applied to it; it rotates only when play. Correct me if this is not correct. Thanks. Mike soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Yes, i noticed that in the DR2 as well ... capstans rotate ONLY during play. Btw, i also noticed that the DR2 and CD1 have the same specs, circuit and transport ... so whats the diff ?? looks ? Soumi >Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. >The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? >Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 17:22:55 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:22:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <46420.24686.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Lexus "ES300" is a Camry, front wheel drive, different emblems. Other Lexus' that are rear wheel drive are different but use the same engines. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I'd say it's more like a Camry and a Lexus - the Lexus is (or was) built on a Camry chassis. You apparently think that makes them the same car. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 26 17:23:18 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:23:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E30976.6010700@yahoo.ca> Normally it rotates on pause. LENA WONG a écrit : > Is it true that the capstans rotate only on DUAL CAPSTANS system(s) > when powers up? It seems to me that the even with 3-Heads deck, if the > system is only single capstan, the capstan will not rotate when power > is applied to it; it rotates only when play. Correct me if this is not > correct. Thanks. > > Mike > > */soumitra at soumitrab.com/* wrote: > > Yes, i noticed that in the DR2 as well ... capstans rotate ONLY > during play. > > Btw, i also noticed that the DR2 and CD1 have the same specs, > circuit and > transport ... so whats the diff ?? looks ? > > Soumi > > >Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a > DR2 which > does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. > > >The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? > >Ram > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 17:23:24 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:23:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: >From the design and engineering point of view, the 480, 481, and 482 are all the same deck, even though the 480 is 2 head and the 481 & 482 are 3 head. Having taken a few apart and put them back together again without having any screws left over, I know there is more in common between these decks than a few parts which they share. I believe the 580, 581, and 582 share the same common design too, although I have never worked on any. The BX-150 (or other 2-head BX decks) and the BX-300 do not share such a relationship. They are the result of two different designs, even though they look alike on the outside. When Nakamichi set about to design the 2-head BX decks, and the later 2-head decks as well, they were deliberately looking for ways to make a cheap Nak. And it shows. The BX 300 and MR-1 (two versions of the same design) were designed to utilize the direct drive 3-head technology introduced with the ZX-9 and Dragon, and as far as I know were the only decks ever designed by Nakamichi to provide the most bang for the buck. For non-American English speakers, that means to provide the highest technology for the least money. They intended to take over the professional sound engineer market with the MR-1 and made a consumer version in the BX-300. Because of the rumor which went around in the sound-engineering community that tapes made on a MR-1 sounded dull played back on other decks, it didn't work out the way Nak intended. Even though the BX-300 looks like a BX-150, they are the result of totally different engineering and should not be considered to be similar. Jeff


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Btw, i also noticed that the DR2 and CD1 have the same specs, circuit and transport ... so whats the diff ?? looks ? Soumi >Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a DR2 which does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. >The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? >Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 17:30:38 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:30:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070226163038.10493.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is that why they made the "MR1B"? Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: From the design and engineering point of view, the 480, 481, and 482 are all the same deck, even though the 480 is 2 head and the 481 & 482 are 3 head. Having taken a few apart and put them back together again without having any screws left over, I know there is more in common between these decks than a few parts which they share. I believe the 580, 581, and 582 share the same common design too, although I have never worked on any. The BX-150 (or other 2-head BX decks) and the BX-300 do not share such a relationship. They are the result of two different designs, even though they look alike on the outside. When Nakamichi set about to design the 2-head BX decks, and the later 2-head decks as well, they were deliberately looking for ways to make a cheap Nak. And it shows. The BX 300 and MR-1 (two versions of the same design) were designed to utilize the direct drive 3-head technology introduced with the ZX-9 and Dragon, and as far as I know were the only decks ever designed by Nakamichi to provide the most bang for the buck. For non-American English speakers, that means to provide the highest technology for the least money. They intended to take over the professional sound engineer market with the MR-1 and made a consumer version in the BX-300. Because of the rumor which went around in the sound-engineering community that tapes made on a MR-1 sounded dull played back on other decks, it didn't work out the way Nak intended. Even though the BX-300 looks like a BX-150, they are the result of totally different engineering and should not be considered to be similar. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 17:34:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:34:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <46420.24686.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <172251.33550.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, Please. The LS uses an exclusive engine, tranny and other features than any other Lexus. Period. The GS may( becaus its got a v8 too like the LS) use the same V6 but its a different animal. Lets not wander. this is Naktalk. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: The Lexus "ES300" is a Camry, front wheel drive, different emblems. Other Lexus' that are rear wheel drive are different but use the same engines. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I'd say it's more like a Camry and a Lexus - the Lexus is (or was) built on a Camry chassis. You apparently think that makes them the same car. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Feb 26 17:36:00 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:36:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <20070226163038.10493.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <153373.77132.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please see Scott Johnson's explanation in his website. He has an excellent description on this subject. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: Is that why they made the "MR1B"? Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: From the design and engineering point of view, the 480, 481, and 482 are all the same deck, even though the 480 is 2 head and the 481 & 482 are 3 head. Having taken a few apart and put them back together again without having any screws left over, I know there is more in common between these decks than a few parts which they share. I believe the 580, 581, and 582 share the same common design too, although I have never worked on any. The BX-150 (or other 2-head BX decks) and the BX-300 do not share such a relationship. They are the result of two different designs, even though they look alike on the outside. When Nakamichi set about to design the 2-head BX decks, and the later 2-head decks as well, they were deliberately looking for ways to make a cheap Nak. And it shows. The BX 300 and MR-1 (two versions of the same design) were designed to utilize the direct drive 3-head technology introduced with the ZX-9 and Dragon, and as far as I know were the only decks ever designed by Nakamichi to provide the most bang for the buck. For non-American English speakers, that means to provide the highest technology for the least money. They intended to take over the professional sound engineer market with the MR-1 and made a consumer version in the BX-300. Because of the rumor which went around in the sound-engineering community that tapes made on a MR-1 sounded dull played back on other decks, it didn't work out the way Nak intended. Even though the BX-300 looks like a BX-150, they are the result of totally different engineering and should not be considered to be similar. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Feb 26 17:52:34 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:52:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] request for a bias adjustment knob caps for ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <45E253CE.8010907@leckband.com> Message-ID: Same for me but for a couple of the bias control caps. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Craig Leckband Sent: 26 February 2007 03:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] request for a bias adjustment knob for ZX-7 Hi all, I have been reading with interest and watching the auctions for the parts of the ZX-7 this week. The auction for the bias control knobs (set of 11, he lost one) has just closed. I had intended to bid, but I thought it likely that someone here on this list would be bidding against me. If the winner of that auction could part with one of the knobs, I would put it to good use. Please contact me off list if you have interest in recouping some of your investment. Regards, Craig craig at leckband.com From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 18:01:50 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:01:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 8:36:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: Is that why they made the "MR1B Yes. The MR-1B was made to have the same equalization curve as it's competitor's decks, so the tapes made on it would be compatible with the competition. It is noticeably duller in the higher frequencies, compared to other Naks. I have an MR-1B which I find very, very useful for one particular thing - transferring late 1980's commercial tapes to digital. It has the equalization with which those tapes were made, which I believe is called IEC-2. I have a large collection of tapes which were made in India in the late 70's and early 80's. These sound best on my 480 and 481. I believe these tapes were manufactured with the IEC-1 standard, and decks from that era seem to be the best to play them on. There's an explanation of these standards and it's relevance to Nak decks on Scott Johnson's Geocities web site. I found it fascinating, as it explained my own aural experience with decks and tapes from different eras. Jeff


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Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I'd say it's more like a Camry and a Lexus - the Lexus is (or was) built on a Camry chassis. You apparently think that makes them the same car. Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 18:21:25 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:21:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <172251.33550.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490260.93088.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are right on the V8. They do not use the V8 in a Toyota or the 3.0 straight 6 but the 3.0 V6 is the same in either with different intake systems and emission devices but it is the same engine. (that could have changed after 2001, which I don't see) I cannot remember about the straight 6 in the landcruiser. OK, no more wandering! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Bob, Please. The LS uses an exclusive engine, tranny and other features than any other Lexus. Period. The GS may( becaus its got a v8 too like the LS) use the same V6 but its a different animal. Lets not wander. this is Naktalk. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: The Lexus "ES300" is a Camry, front wheel drive, different emblems. Other Lexus' that are rear wheel drive are different but use the same engines. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To reiterate my previous example, you would view the Camry CE and the Camry XLE as two completely different cars because you think they 'represent entirely different design strategies'. I'd say it's more like a Camry and a Lexus - the Lexus is (or was) built on a Camry chassis. You apparently think that makes them the same car. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 18:26:42 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:26:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <153373.77132.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <256721.6497.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do remember reading that. The MR1B uses a different EQ. I use an MR1B on my computer to put music on the hard drive. All the music put on the hard drive comes from either newer Naks (cassette deck 1 or 1.5)or the classics (LX5, ZX7)and all sound great. My MR1B has been worked on before. When I bought it off of e-bay they advertised it as being recently aligned. Also the pitch control has been disabled so I wonder what else had been done? This is one of the few I've bought that I didn't have to do anything to. All was well right off the get-go. Bob LENA WONG wrote: Please see Scott Johnson's explanation in his website. He has an excellent description on this subject. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: Is that why they made the "MR1B"? Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: From the design and engineering point of view, the 480, 481, and 482 are all the same deck, even though the 480 is 2 head and the 481 & 482 are 3 head. Having taken a few apart and put them back together again without having any screws left over, I know there is more in common between these decks than a few parts which they share. I believe the 580, 581, and 582 share the same common design too, although I have never worked on any. The BX-150 (or other 2-head BX decks) and the BX-300 do not share such a relationship. They are the result of two different designs, even though they look alike on the outside. When Nakamichi set about to design the 2-head BX decks, and the later 2-head decks as well, they were deliberately looking for ways to make a cheap Nak. And it shows. The BX 300 and MR-1 (two versions of the same design) were designed to utilize the direct drive 3-head technology introduced with the ZX-9 and Dragon, and as far as I know were the only decks ever designed by Nakamichi to provide the most bang for the buck. For non-American English speakers, that means to provide the highest technology for the least money. They intended to take over the professional sound engineer market with the MR-1 and made a consumer version in the BX-300. Because of the rumor which went around in the sound-engineering community that tapes made on a MR-1 sounded dull played back on other decks, it didn't work out the way Nak intended. Even though the BX-300 looks like a BX-150, they are the result of totally different engineering and should not be considered to be similar. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 26 21:00:55 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:00:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E33C77.5090906@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/2007 7:37:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: > > the lexus flagship was started from the groung up! > > The smaller Lexus was a rebadged camry. Just wanted to set the > records straight there. > > Ron thinks they're all the same, because they share the same transport > mechanism - wheels. > Jeff No, Jeff, I do not think they are all the same, neither did I say so. Ask someone that followed the discussion to read my posts and explain them to you. -- Ron From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 21:13:53 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:13:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <45E33C77.5090906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <429059.33721.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok boys, let's play nice. Larry Ron wrote: Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/2007 7:37:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: > > the lexus flagship was started from the groung up! > > The smaller Lexus was a rebadged camry. Just wanted to set the > records straight there. > > Ron thinks they're all the same, because they share the same transport > mechanism - wheels. > Jeff No, Jeff, I do not think they are all the same, neither did I say so. Ask someone that followed the discussion to read my posts and explain them to you. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 20:45:12 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:45:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29810.21563.qm@web82413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all Nak fans... I have a Dragon, which I got off ebay a while ago, supposedly in "excellent working condition"! OK, I fell for it. The outer cosmetics are very good, but I suspect that during transportation it was dropped on the left rear corner, and thus breaking off the main PCB around the posts. I repaired that, and to my horror discovered that the azimuth control wire was also kinked at the head end. I tried for a while, and finally a Naktalk member was kind enough to sell me that. I started disassembling the whole machine and at that point discovered that the whole transport mechanism is held by two screws, one being a common long bolt! grrrrrrrrrr. At this stage I have decided to sell it off, but putting it back on ebay is going to be difficult, giving the exact description etc. I am aware that a lot of naktalk members are looking for various parts of the Dragon, so taking insparation from the recent ZX 7 parts being auctioned, I think I will do the same. If someone has a better idea to sell it part by needed part somehow on Naktalk, please illuminate me! I had in the past offered to copy the Sony test CD for naktalk members, and got haphazard emails, and lost track of who actually wanted it. so maybe someone would be kind enough to compile a list, and just send me a blank CD each with a post paid envelop, or some arrangement, where I could make X no. of copies etc. I would be greatful. I do not stay in town too much and keep moving, I have 3 weeks now, so if you guys are interested, please say so now. By the way I can relap Nakamich heads, and do have the equipment for it. My equipment can handle heads till the 2" width heads. If someone is in dire need to have one relapped, please send it in a post paid envelope, and I will do so gratis. Rgds, Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 26 21:25:58 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:25:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > Is it true that the capstans rotate only on DUAL CAPSTANS system(s) when > powers up? It seems to me that the even with 3-Heads deck, if the system > is only single capstan, the capstan will not rotate when power is > applied to it; it rotates only when play. Correct me if this is not > correct. Thanks. In general, decks targeted as higher end will tend to have the capstans run continually, so you are more likely to find this feature in 3 head decks. For example CR-3 is at the low end of the CR series (even though it has 3 heads) with capstans that run only in play mode. CR-5 and CR-7 are at the high end of the line and run the capstans continually. Either way is easy to implement. To run the CR-3 capstans continually, all you have to do is change the connection of one wire. To modify the CR-5 or CR-7 will take a bit more, but not much. -- Ron > > Mike > > */soumitra at soumitrab.com/* wrote: > > Yes, i noticed that in the DR2 as well ... capstans rotate ONLY > during play. > > Btw, i also noticed that the DR2 and CD1 have the same specs, > circuit and > transport ... so whats the diff ?? looks ? > > Soumi > > >Talking about capstains in three head decks always on, I have a > DR2 which > does not rotate its capstains until play is engaged. > > >The DR2 is the only Nak which I have that does that. Any others? > >Ram From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 21:28:28 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:28:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: We can argue this until we are blue in the face and still not reach agreement. This is because our perspectives are so different. I view the issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as an end user. Let me explain this so that even a guy with a degree in engineering can understand it. The transport of the BX-300 is based on a different technology than the BX-150 or any other 2-head BX deck. The direct-drive 2-capstan transport was an off-shoot of the direct-drive transport developed for the ZX-9. This results in extremely low wow-and-flutter which the 2-head decks do not share. In other respects, the pre-amp of the BX-300 is superior to that of the 2-head BX-decks as well. The 2-head BX decks were designed by Nakamichi to be passable cheap decks marketed as an alternative to the high-end decks to people Nakamichi knew couldn't tell the difference. Apparently including some people with engineering degrees. (That's a joke, don't take it too seriously.) The BX-300 and it's professional brother MR-1 were designed to take advantage of the direct-drive technology developed for the ZX-9, without a lot of other features which the ZX-9 has like user Dolby calibration. In Japan, the BX-300 was marketed as the ZX-5, which shows what Nakamichi thought of it. In general, the late 2-head Naks like the BX's were cheap machines. The Cassette Deck 1 is far superior to the Cassette Deck 2, for instance, and do not share the similar design that say the 480, a 2-head deck, and the 482, a 3-head deck, have in common. With the BX series, the Nakamichi design team split up the model numbers between cheap 2 head decks and high-end 3 head decks, and continued that strategy until they stopped making them. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Feb 26 21:54:44 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:54:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport ( a scottish take) In-Reply-To: <200702261637.l1QGbnDS025389@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702261637.l1QGbnDS025389@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Nak folks I havent posted or read for a year but its nice to be back .....re the present talk of transports. In a moment of madness I bought an advertised as faulty Cassette Deck 2 on eBay 10 days back (ooops) ...... and then sent it off to B&W for service and repair. It to replace the technics RS BX707 in the living room which I use to grab stuff of the tuner ...... it makes great recordings but just cant play them back with any life. The CD2 will I hope be able to give the same Nak pleasure.Most of my tapes I made myself over the last 30 years rather than musicassettes. So my take on the mechanism postings will be based on my ears and subjective experiences when it comes back from B&W ... Do we have access to an owners manual for this deck ..? I havent located one yet .... any pointers to a download source most welcome. Its nice to be back ..... (are Kermit and Marc in SA still around? hi Bala). I see a ZX7 in eBay UK and considered selling my B&W serviced 481z and the restored cd2 in order to raise the cash for the ZX7 ......described as excellent etc!....... as ever but it probably wont work out timewise now that B&W does the european repairs as well as the UK now. Also inview of the posts about spares I bring this to your collective attention a 700 Mk2 and also Dragon for repairs or spares! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290084681362&ssPageName=ADME:L:DBS:US:11 The dragon mark 2seems to be in Chile ..... which is not very convenient though! item =260089551632 I cant get the url to behave itself so I just give the ebay.com item number ..... I was alerted by eBay to this and thought it was UK based! Incidentally if any overseas member in good standing needs to buy from eBay UK Im happy to repackage and despatch any kit they cant persuade a seller to send to them direct ...... in case its helpful. I'll post my subjective comments comapring the sublime sounding 481 and the (possibly) riduculous CD2. I can only imagine what a CR7 or Dragon must sound like. peace Ian Scotland From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Feb 26 22:10:55 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:10:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available References: <29810.21563.qm@web82413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009401c759ea$9b1b85c0$c8d017c4@home> I am the proud owner of a complete , brand new Dragon transport mechanism.I could use the Dragen that you have ! What would you want for it?.Maybe we can discuss this offline? Many thanks! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mequon Manufacture LLC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available Hello all Nak fans... I have a Dragon, which I got off ebay a while ago, supposedly in "excellent working condition"! OK, I fell for it. The outer cosmetics are very good, but I suspect that during transportation it was dropped on the left rear corner, and thus breaking off the main PCB around the posts. I repaired that, and to my horror discovered that the azimuth control wire was also kinked at the head end. I tried for a while, and finally a Naktalk member was kind enough to sell me that. I started disassembling the whole machine and at that point discovered that the whole transport mechanism is held by two screws, one being a common long bolt! grrrrrrrrrr. At this stage I have decided to sell it off, but putting it back on ebay is going to be difficult, giving the exact description etc. I am aware that a lot of naktalk members are looking for various parts of the Dragon, so taking insparation from the recent ZX 7 parts being auctioned, I think I will do the same. If someone has a better idea to sell it part by needed part somehow on Naktalk, please illuminate me! I had in the past offered to copy the Sony test CD for naktalk members, and got haphazard emails, and lost track of who actually wanted it. so maybe someone would be kind enough to compile a list, and just send me a blank CD each with a post paid envelop, or some arrangement, where I could make X no. of copies etc. I would be greatful. I do not stay in town too much and keep moving, I have 3 weeks now, so if you guys are interested, please say so now. By the way I can relap Nakamich heads, and do have the equipment for it. My equipment can handle heads till the 2" width heads. If someone is in dire need to have one relapped, please send it in a post paid envelope, and I will do so gratis. Rgds, Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 26 22:11:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:11:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E34CEF.1000200@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:33:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > >> We can argue this until we are blue in the face >> and still not reach agreement. This is because >> our perspectives are so different. I view the >> issue as an engineer. You apparently view it as >> an end user. > Let me explain this so that even a guy with a degree in engineering can > understand it. LOL... If you wish to retain some modicum of respect, do refrain from snide remarks. I applaud your accomplishments (after all, you disassembled a deck without no left over parts), but why not impress us with the cassette deck you have designed or the electronic products you have brought to market or the marketing product positioning you have developed? > The transport of the BX-300 is based on a different > technology than the BX-150 or any other 2-head BX deck. No, it's not. It's the same transport, but fitted with a DD capstan motor, rather than the belt drive of the BX-150. > The > direct-drive 2-capstan transport was an off-shoot of the direct-drive > transport developed for the ZX-9. No, it was not. It was designed by a different company (Sankyo) and different engineers, with no ties to the Nakamichi classic transport designers. AFAIK, no parts are interchangeable at all. > This results in extremely low > wow-and-flutter which the 2-head decks do not share. That's right, the DD capstan motor has lower W&F that the cheaper belt drive version. It's an extensible design with several versions, each of higher performance (and cost) but all based on the same base platform, as I have already mentioned a couple -- or three -- times. > In other respects, > the pre-amp of the BX-300 is superior to that of the 2-head BX-decks as > well. The 2-head BX decks were designed by Nakamichi to be passable > cheap decks marketed as an alternative to the high-end decks to people > Nakamichi knew couldn't tell the difference. Really? How little you understand the Nakamichi Engineering mindset of the BX-300 era. > Apparently including some > people with engineering degrees. (That's a joke, don't take it too > seriously.) Rest assured, I will no longer take you seriously. Or at all. 'Nuff said. -- Ron > The BX-300 and it's professional brother MR-1 were designed > to take advantage of the direct-drive technology developed for the ZX-9, > without a lot of other features which the ZX-9 has like user Dolby > calibration. In Japan, the BX-300 was marketed as the ZX-5, which shows > what Nakamichi thought of it. > In general, the late 2-head Naks like the BX's were cheap machines. The > Cassette Deck 1 is far superior to the Cassette Deck 2, for instance, > and do not share the similar design that say the 480, a 2-head deck, and > the 482, a 3-head deck, have in common. With the BX series, the > Nakamichi design team split up the model numbers between cheap 2 head > decks and high-end 3 head decks, and continued that strategy until they > stopped making them. > Jeff From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 26 22:38:03 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:38:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: Dear Ron, When Tom and I were "arguing" about the LX-5 versus the BX-300, I pointed out that the wow-and-flutter specs for the BX-300 and the CR-4 were bested only by the ZX-9 and Dragon. Tom made an interesting argument that "specs don't matter", they're a game manufacturers play, etc. although of course specs from the same manufacturer for their own decks probably aren't gamed against one another. Someone else, who I think was an engineer, made the argument "it's only specs that do matter." I pretty much come down on that side. By that criteria, the BX-300 has nothing in common with the other BX decks. It's doesn't matter what the parts are - the Bx-300 was given a superior design which produced a superior deck, which isn't at all like the other BX decks in specs or performance. The pre-amp section is also significantly superior, not just the direct-drive 2 capstan transport. And the heads are better. Your theory doesn't stand up to the specs. Jeff


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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 26 23:17:22 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:17:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070226161722.00861100@earthlink.net> I have an alternate angle on this discussion. Mr. Schenk captured my feelings exactly when he recognized my bias for the older, more familiar classic mechanism. Specs aside, I am more comfortable with more mass, bigger, thicker parts, and longer bearings. The 1000 had capstan sleeve bearings 1/2" long, enshuring stable rotation even in a 30 year old machine. The engineering history of Nak transports design was towards lower mass parts, allowing smaller bearings to be used. It is also true that in a servo design motor, FG (frequency generator) type, lower mass is a good, necessary thing. My bias is towards old heavy stuff, Jeff likes modern servo stuff, and Ron is critical of the engineering changes made to bring price points down. All 3 of us are correct. tom brucker (ps. someday we'll revisit "specs do not tell the story") At 04:38 PM 2/26/07 EST, you wrote: >>>> Dear Ron, When Tom and I were "arguing" about the LX-5 versus the BX-300, I pointed out that the wow-and-flutter specs for the BX-300 and the CR-4 were bested only by the ZX-9 and Dragon. Tom made an interesting argument that "specs don't matter", they're a game manufacturers play, etc. although of course specs from the same manufacturer for their own decks probably aren't gamed against one another. Someone else, who I think was an engineer, made the argument "it's only specs that do matter." I pretty much come down on that side. By that criteria, the BX-300 has nothing in common with the other BX decks. It's doesn't matter what the parts are - the Bx-300 was given a superior design which produced a superior deck, which isn't at all like the other BX decks in specs or performance. The pre-amp section is also significantly superior, not just the direct-drive 2 capstan transport. And the heads are better. Your theory doesn't stand up to the specs. Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Mon Feb 26 23:27:53 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:27:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phantom power for NAK CM 200 microphones Message-ID: <001501c759f5$5bff5c30$6701a8c0@main> Tom Brucker told me there is a simple mod to allow NAK microphones to use phantom 48 V power. I have (heresy) a Tascam portable DAT recorders that I currently use for on the road recording. The mercury batteries are no longer available and the substitute ones are tight, expensive and short lasting. Does anyone have a circuit diagram which details the mod for the CM 200/300 microphones they could email me or answer on Nak talk? . All I have is a rough idea that it can be done with a couple of resistors placed in the microphone but no details. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 00:19:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070225095819.008687e0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <516881.18187.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, then the C33 would not be qualified for small.. I guess that they were referring to cassettes and reel to reels. They also had a number of auxiliaries.. todays minimalist designs seems to have less number of selections... which can be annoying for people with many decks Bala Hi Tech wrote: I have a Yamaha C1 preamp, which uses a lot of shelp space. There were several Sansui huge receivers and integrated amps that also switched 3 (with full dubbing) Small referred to cabinet size. It might be nice to list here various models that switch 3 decks. tom brucker At 07:43 AM 2/23/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom, When you say only 'small' pre-amp what does that exactly mean? I used to have a McIntosh C33 that used to switch three tape decks and two turntables among other inputs in two seperate loops. But size wise, I doubt it would qualify as small. Bala Ganesh Hi Tech < wrote: Herb, You have done a really nice job with your site. www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Just yesterday as I made yet another attempt to buy a 730 receiver, I thought it interesting that NakTalk focuses so much on the tape machines that other wonderful products go unnoticed. If there is general interest I'd be happy to share what I know about Nak audio and car stereo pieces (I know a tiny bit about the PCM unit, and nothing about the DAT) Yesterday John phoned about using multiple external tape monitor switchers to run his 12 naks. Herb's bit on the 610 reminded me that it is the only small preamp with the ability to switch 3 tape decks. The 610 has buffered record outputs, so ther are no loading problems recording with 3 decks at once. Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation. A bit of trivia in reference to herb's "matching" Nakamichi style speaker. In the lobby on Vermont Ave, Santa Monica, Nak had a 730 receiver, a black anodized B & O 4002, and a pair of Mitsubishi MS 40 speakers as a demo system. (where was the cassette???) I would suggest that the MS40 is the "official" Nak speaker. (MS30s have very good sound.I haven't heard the 40s enough to have an opinion.) tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 27 00:22:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:22:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available In-Reply-To: <29810.21563.qm@web82413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070226172252.0085b100@earthlink.net> Khan, I am authorized to spend $150 for a play head to repair a customer's Dragon. If you would sell the entire mechanism, I will buy that for whatever is fair above $150. I do not understand your comment about the 2 transport screws. If you are saying that 4 out of 6 have broken nylon posts, that problem can be fixed with epoxy. Do not scrap the machine until it is clearly unrepairable. tom brucker I At 11:45 AM 2/26/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hello all Nak fans... I have a Dragon, which I got off ebay a while ago, supposedly in "excellent working condition"! OK, I fell for it. The outer cosmetics are very good, but I suspect that during transportation it was dropped on the left rear corner, and thus breaking off the main PCB around the posts. I repaired that, and to my horror discovered that the azimuth control wire was also kinked at the head end. I tried for a while, and finally a Naktalk member was kind enough to sell me that. I started disassembling the whole machine and at that point discovered that the whole transport mechanism is held by two screws, one being a common long bolt! grrrrrrrrrr. At this stage I have decided to sell it off, but putting it back on ebay is going to be difficult, giving the exact description etc. I am aware that a lot of naktalk members are looking for various parts of the Dragon, so taking insparation from the recent ZX 7 parts being auctioned, I think I will do the same. If someone has a better idea to sell it part by needed part somehow on Naktalk, please illuminate me! I had in the past offered to copy the Sony test CD for naktalk members, and got haphazard emails, and lost track of who actually wanted it. so maybe someone would be kind enough to compile a list, and just send me a blank CD each with a post paid envelop, or some arrangement, where I could make X no. of copies etc. I would be greatful. I do not stay in town too much and keep moving, I have 3 weeks now, so if you guys are interested, please say so now. By the way I can relap Nakamich heads, and do have the equipment for it. My equipment can handle heads till the 2" width heads. If someone is in dire need to have one relapped, please send it in a post paid envelope, and I will do so gratis. Rgds, Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Tue Feb 27 10:07:37 2007 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:07:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1993837765.20070227110737@kharkov.ua> Hi Ron, I am curious about pro and contra of the capstans running continually in CR-7 in my stereo system. The system gets power from a receiver which I turn on remotely. There is also a CD and a DVD player which I use about 80% of time and so I have the CR-7 on with its capstans running even though it is not in use. What about bearings wear? Do I really need to modify the CR-7 if you say it is easy to implement? Alternatively I followed the discussion on "Nak remote project" which took place recently in a hope to find solution there. I believe a better way would be to be able to turn the power on and off on my CR-7 remotely. Earlier I found a IR decoder chip on internet (have a URL somewhere in my file) which can be used to do this. The problem is however that the chip uses Sony protocol and would interfere with my Sony TV. Sergei Monday, February 26, 2007, 10:25:58 PM, you wrote: R> For example CR-3 is at the low end of the CR series R> (even though it has 3 heads) with capstans that run R> only in play mode. CR-5 and CR-7 are at the high end R> of the line and run the capstans continually. R> Either way is easy to implement. To run the CR-3 R> capstans continually, all you have to do is change R> the connection of one wire. To modify the CR-5 or R> CR-7 will take a bit more, but not much. R> -- Ron From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Feb 27 11:29:01 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:29:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]3 tape switching Message-ID: <004501c75a5a$194c0f40$6701a8c0@main> The Nak 610 preamp switches 3 decks.It takes 5 microphones and aux, tuner and phonos. It even has two lines that allow mixing of any of the input sources plus some test tones for tape deck alignment. Shaped like the wedgie 600II. Really nice unit. I absolutely love mine. I have its output and input for one deck as a "tape deck two" attached to my Apt Holman preamp. That unit has two tape loops and an external processor loop which is like a tape loop. Gives a lot of versatility. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 27 16:58:26 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:58:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070226161722.00861100@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070226161722.00861100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45E45522.7010109@rcn.com> Tom, you are correct. However, you are viewing only one aspect of the transport choice. The other side is cost. I, too, prefer bigger/sturdier but not at any cost. Nakamichi perceived (correctly or not) that in order to stay afloat in the market place, they had to do some serious value engineering. So, they chose a 3rd party transport that was mass produced and still addressed all performance requirements of the decks, but more cost effectively. Believe me, I am well aware of the issue. I personally designed the cassette portion of a medical instrument. The transport chosen (made by Raymond Engineering, here in the States) cost as much (and weighed as much) as a whole high end Nakamichi deck. It was solenoid operated (no control motor) and hefty didn't even start to describe it... But the product sold for 35,000 bucks and the application required that kind of a transport with extreme reliability. Nakamichi couldn't hope to sell a single deck had they chosen to use such transport. So, the question is, did the Sankyo transport really meet the performance requirements of Nak decks? since it was modular and supported various levels of performance (at various price levels, of course), their answer was in the affirmative. Personally, I concur, even though the classic transport is, indeed of higher longevity. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > I have an alternate angle on this discussion. Mr. Schenk captured my > feelings exactly when he recognized my bias for the older, more familiar > classic mechanism. Specs aside, I am more comfortable with more mass, > bigger, thicker parts, and longer bearings. The 1000 had capstan sleeve > bearings 1/2" long, enshuring stable rotation even in a 30 year old > machine. The engineering history of Nak transports design was towards lower > mass parts, allowing smaller bearings to be used. > It is also true that in a servo design motor, FG (frequency generator) > type, lower mass is a good, necessary thing. > My bias is towards old heavy stuff, Jeff likes modern servo stuff, and > Ron is critical of the engineering changes made to bring price points down. > All 3 of us are correct. > > > tom brucker > > (ps. someday we'll revisit "specs do not tell the story") > > > At 04:38 PM 2/26/07 EST, you wrote: > Dear Ron, > > When Tom and I were "arguing" about the LX-5 versus the BX-300, I pointed > out that the wow-and-flutter specs for the BX-300 and the CR-4 were bested > only by the ZX-9 and Dragon. Tom made an interesting argument that "specs > don't matter", they're a game manufacturers play, etc. although of course > specs from the same manufacturer for their own decks probably aren't gamed > against one another. > > Someone else, who I think was an engineer, made the argument "it's only > specs that do matter." I pretty much come down on that side. By that > criteria, the BX-300 has nothing in common with the other BX decks. It's > doesn't matter what the parts are - the Bx-300 was given a superior design > which produced a superior deck, which isn't at all like the other BX decks > in specs or performance. The pre-amp section is also significantly > superior, not just the direct-drive 2 capstan transport. And the heads are > better. Your theory doesn't stand up to the specs. > > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at > tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom>AOL.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 27 17:25:47 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:25:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <1993837765.20070227110737@kharkov.ua> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> <1993837765.20070227110737@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <45E45B8B.2070902@rcn.com> Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I am curious about pro and contra of the capstans running > continually in CR-7 in my stereo system. Running the capstans continually ensures that the motor is stabilized as soon as Play is pressed. > The system gets > power from a receiver which I turn on remotely. > > There is also a CD and a DVD player which I use about 80% of time > and so I have the CR-7 on with its capstans running even though it > is not in use. Are you saying that your CR-7 power switch is on, so the deck is powered as soon as the receiver is turned on and kept running all the time you listen to any other source? That's not too good. In normal use the deck requires routine service every couple of years or so. But in that circumstance, I would clean/lubricate the capstan bearings far more often. Alternately, keep the deck turned off and manually switch it on only as needed. > What about bearings wear? Do I really need to modify the CR-7 > if you say it is easy to implement? I didn't, because I like the idea of stable capstan operation, rather than having higher W&F fro a few minutes every time I press Play. However, if you wish, all it takes is using the PLAY signal to switch a transistor on and use it to power the capstan motor. I suspect you won't like the result (apparently, it's OK for the CR-3, but you want better performance from the CR-7). > Alternatively I followed the discussion on "Nak remote project" > which took place recently in a hope to find solution there. > I believe a better way would be to be able to turn the power on > and off on my CR-7 remotely. Which is what I did. I power my CR-7 from an X-10 outlet that is, itself, powered through a relay controlled by the pre-pro. That way, the deck is on only when the pre-pro is on and AND x-10 outlet is on AND the deck power switch is on. Kludgy? yes. The one drawback is that, once the deck has been turned off from, say, the X-10 outlet, it must be turned on from the X-10 outlet. Same is true for turning off from the deck power switch. But one of these days (as soon as I get a round tuit), I plan to add remotely controlled power capability *inside* the deck and get rid of the X-10 outlet. This will allow normal power control -- either remotely or locally. When I do, I will post a description of what I had done (but don't hold your breath :-) ). > > Earlier I found a IR decoder chip on internet (have a URL somewhere > in my file) which can be used to do this. The problem is > however that the chip uses Sony protocol and would interfere with > my Sony TV. I think this solution would be too complicated. I believe is can be done easily and simply with an addition of a small board (and minimal wiring mods) inside the CR-7. -- Ron > > Sergei > > Monday, February 26, 2007, 10:25:58 PM, you wrote: > > R> For example CR-3 is at the low end of the CR series > R> (even though it has 3 heads) with capstans that run > R> only in play mode. CR-5 and CR-7 are at the high end > R> of the line and run the capstans continually. > > R> Either way is easy to implement. To run the CR-3 > R> capstans continually, all you have to do is change > R> the connection of one wire. To modify the CR-5 or > R> CR-7 will take a bit more, but not much. > > R> -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 27 20:32:01 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:32:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX 7 mechanism won Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070227133201.0085c100@earthlink.net> We will soon have a used ZX7 mechanism and power/control logic section for part supply at Hi Tech, so let me know what you all need. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 27 20:32:01 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:32:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tape curl problems, Classic mechanism Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070227133201.0085c100@earthlink.net> I have a bit to convey on the tape curl issue, based on John's LX5. He described it as "playback garbled at first". #1 The right side pinch roller had a viscous feel. Remove the face, cassette holder, and play head mount. Remove pinch roller, clean bearing. #2 The guide shaft had seized up. Push guide gently toward chassis and use WD 40 to dissolve gunk. #3 Right roller pressure was weak against capstan. Guide mounting post had pulled out of chassis, so guide was 5mm too high. Epoxy pin(s) to rear of chassis and realign. Step 3 is not DIY. What I find remarkable is that the deck would play at all! For those of you with classic Nak mechanisms, remove the tape door, and using a chopstick, gently push the right pinch roller guide (the silver metal piece, push as close to the brass adjuster as you can get) towards the chassis. If a small gap opens easily, you are fine. If you push to the point where you feel you might break something, and no gap appears, then you have a seized up guide. I post this so our members around the world may use it to keep the old decks running. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From nakamichi at ispwest.com Tue Feb 27 21:51:16 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:51:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: <705fba179f954abb827eafcaa3e25709.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Sankyo mechanism is pure garbage...It is a shame Nakamichi used it in first place.A few companies,i.e.Teac,Lux showed how to build A REAL GREAT TRANSPORT. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Ron[mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent : 2/27/2007 7:58:26 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] A question on Transport Tom, you are correct. However, you are viewing only one aspect of the transport choice. The other side is cost. I, too, prefer bigger/sturdier but not at any cost. Nakamichi perceived (correctly or not) that in order to stay afloat in the market place, they had to do some serious value engineering. So, they chose a 3rd party transport that was mass produced and still addressed all performance requirements of the decks, but more cost effectively. Believe me, I am well aware of the issue. I personally designed the cassette portion of a medical instrument. The transport chosen (made by Raymond Engineering, here in the States) cost as much (and weighed as much) as a whole high end Nakamichi deck. It was solenoid operated (no control motor) and hefty didn't even start to describe it... But the product sold for 35,000 bucks and the application required that kind of a transport with extreme reliability. Nakamichi couldn't hope to sell a single deck had they chosen to use such transport. So, the question is, did the Sankyo transport really meet the performance requirements of Nak decks? since it was modular and supported various levels of performance (at various price levels, of course), their answer was in the affirmative. Personally, I concur, even though the classic transport is, indeed of higher longevity. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > I have an alternate angle on this discussion. Mr. Schenk captured my > feelings exactly when he recognized my bias for the older, more familiar > classic mechanism. Specs aside, I am more comfortable with more mass, > bigger, thicker parts, and longer bearings. The 1000 had capstan sleeve > bearings 1/2" long, enshuring stable rotation even in a 30 year old > machine. The engineering history of Nak transports design was towards lower > mass parts, allowing smaller bearings to be used. > It is also true that in a servo design motor, FG (frequency generator) > type, lower mass is a good, necessary thing. > My bias is towards old heavy stuff, Jeff likes modern servo stuff, and > Ron is critical of the engineering changes made to bring price points down. > All 3 of us are correct. > > > tom brucker > > (ps. someday we'll revisit "specs do not tell the story") > > > At 04:38 PM 2/26/07 EST, you wrote: > Dear Ron, > > When Tom and I were "arguing" about the LX-5 versus the BX-300, I pointed > out that the wow-and-flutter specs for the BX-300 and the CR-4 were bested > only by the ZX-9 and Dragon. Tom made an interesting argument that "specs > don't matter", they're a game manufacturers play, etc. although of course > specs from the same manufacturer for their own decks probably aren't gamed > against one another. > > Someone else, who I think was an engineer, made the argument "it's only > specs that do matter." I pretty much come down on that side. By that > criteria, the BX-300 has nothing in common with the other BX decks. It's > doesn't matter what the parts are - the Bx-300 was given a superior design > which produced a superior deck, which isn't at all like the other BX decks > in specs or performance. The pre-amp section is also significantly > superior, not just the direct-drive 2 capstan transport. And the heads are > better. Your theory doesn't stand up to the specs. > > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at > < http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht > tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom>AOL.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Tue Feb 27 22:30:04 2007 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:30:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <45E45B8B.2070902@rcn.com> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> <1993837765.20070227110737@kharkov.ua> <45E45B8B.2070902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5048385140.20070227233004@kharkov.ua> Thanks, Ron, I will definitely look forward for this. Do you plan to use a separate IR receiver & IR decoder chip for this purpose in addition to the Nakamichi IR module which controls the transport? R> But R> one of these days (as soon as I get a round tuit), I R> plan to add remotely controlled power capability R> *inside* the deck and get rid of the X-10 outlet. R> This will allow normal power control -- either R> remotely or locally. R> When I do, I will post a description of what I had R> done (but don't hold your breath :-) ). Regards, Sergei From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Feb 27 23:00:39 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:00:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <705fba179f954abb827eafcaa3e25709.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Surely this is rather an exaggeration ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com Sent: 27 February 2007 20:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] A question on Transport Sankyo mechanism is pure garbage... From kingd at usq.edu.au Tue Feb 27 23:10:49 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:10:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? With thanks David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Feb 27 23:24:58 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:24:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> References: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <45E4AFBA.40507@cox.net> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: > Hi all > > After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little > bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the > ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? > > With thanks > > David King > > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the > intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, > please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > > The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily > reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all > reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no > viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses > arising from its receipt. > > The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of > education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. > QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 00:58:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:58:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: References: <705fba179f954abb827eafcaa3e25709.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070227175852.0085d3b0@earthlink.net> Nobody wins if we pick on each other. We are here to share and learn. The Sankyo mechanism had sales10 times what the other 3 mechanisms sales volume combined. It was a simple parallel good-better-best product line. Sales 101 is to offer an upgrade path to those that could appreciate it. tom brucker 10:00 PM 2/27/07 -0000, Graham Nelson wrote: >Surely this is rather an exaggeration ... > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com >Sent: 27 February 2007 20:51 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] A question on Transport > > >Sankyo mechanism is pure garbage... > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 01:01:09 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:01:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070227180109.00860540@earthlink.net> The ZX 9 is classic with a direct drive capstan. Think of it as supercharged. tom brucker At 08:10 AM 2/28/07 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little >bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the >ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? > >With thanks > >David King > >This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the >intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, >please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > >The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily >reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all >reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no >viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses >arising from its receipt. > >The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of >education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. >QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 01:05:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:05:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <45E4AFBA.40507@cox.net> References: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D73@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070227180551.00860e20@earthlink.net> Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for the HK CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. tom brucker At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? With thanks David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 28 01:51:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:51:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape deck switchers In-Reply-To: <003e01c757d2$ef1a5ee0$48d417c4@home> References: <200702231845.l1NIisnO006489@zxe.naks.com> <0F09174A-A9AE-4AE7-8D5D-09807BADF08D@mac.com> <003e01c757d2$ef1a5ee0$48d417c4@home> Message-ID: <45E4D221.6040805@rcn.com> I'll second Stephen. I had an AVS-700 in my system for several years. Worked great and gave me no trouble whatsoever. -- Ron drewes wrote: > On the advice of Stephen Sank I got a Yamaha AVS 700 which accomodates 4 > tape units for rec & pb in addition to Tuner ,CD and TT .He maintainedd > it had some of the best switches and shortest signal path for that type > of equipment. > rgds > walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Fred Lifton > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2007 11:49 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] tape deck switchers > > Hi all, > I'm intrigued by this Niles TSB-3 switcher. What do other Naktalkers > use to switch between their many multiples of decks? I use a Luxman > GX-101 EQ in part to provide extra tape loops, but that's a lot of > circuitry I don't always need or want in my signal path. > > cheers, > Fred > > >> On Feb 23, 2007, at 10:45 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com >> wrote: >> *From: *shanti ramachandran > > >> *Date: *February 23, 2007 9:30:31 AM PST >> *To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> *Subject: **Re: [naktalk]Herb Shenk's site is great* >> *Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> >> Herb, >> >> I have a Mcintosh Mc40 control center(1995 model) that switches 3 >> tape recorders besides 2 cds ,1 phono/aux and a tuner. It also >> allows a pro deck with balanced outputs to be connected in the >> line switch. >> >> I also bought a niles TSB-3 which further enables 3 more tape >> decks every which way imaginable. so now I have the possibility of >> hooking up 9 tape decks into my McIntoash preamp.....and I already >> have hooked up 7 Naks and 1 B&O( dont know why) to it. >> >> Awaiting the Dragon's return for the 9th Tape deck and i shall be >> content and done....??? May be not! lol >> Ram From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 01:54:42 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:54:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070227175852.0085d3b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <240378.82963.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sankyo 3 heads- dual capstan transports in Naks have something that other non Nak dual capstan machines do not have. They are diffused resonance asymmetrical Nakamichi dual capstan drives. Secondly they follow 1% differential rotational speed with pressure pad lifter for very low scrape flutter. Finally they have nakamichi heads ( discrete with indpendant alignent with physically seperate rec/ play heads). These Nakamichi specific parts and design contributed a mighty part to the sound. This what Jeff is hearing in his BX300. If you have heard CR7A or CR7/ CR7E - you will know what these puny transport can produce - thanks to these other Nakamichi contribution to make these sound really different. However I have seeen a 582 start sounding wonderful with a belt change after 25 years. Nakamichi classic dual capstan transport can work for years ( another 25 years) with small rubber parts replacement ! Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Nobody wins if we pick on each other. We are here to share and learn. The Sankyo mechanism had sales10 times what the other 3 mechanisms sales volume combined. It was a simple parallel good-better-best product line. Sales 101 is to offer an upgrade path to those that could appreciate it. tom brucker 10:00 PM 2/27/07 -0000, Graham Nelson wrote: >Surely this is rather an exaggeration ... > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of nakamichi at ispwest.com >Sent: 27 February 2007 20:51 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] A question on Transport > > >Sankyo mechanism is pure garbage... > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Feb 28 02:05:34 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:05:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <5048385140.20070227233004@kharkov.ua> References: <127230.18762.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45E34256.1010309@rcn.com> <1993837765.20070227110737@kharkov.ua> <45E45B8B.2070902@rcn.com> <5048385140.20070227233004@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <45E4D55E.1090202@whiteapple.u-net.com> Listening to BBC radio today and I caught an interview with an American DJ called Russ Limbaugh. The thing that made the interview especially interesting was that he had lost his hearing and had received a cochlear implant, destroying his ability to hear a wide spectrum of frequencies. In the interview he stated that unfamiliar music did not sound like music to him, but that music he knew well was still pleasurable as his brain filled in the "missing" sections. I seem to remember some previous posts from members with hearing difficulties saying the same thing? Regards. Doug Locke. From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Feb 28 02:14:38 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:14:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199D77@babbage.usq.edu.au> Thanks Tom I thought so, but not 100% sure. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] A question on Transport The ZX 9 is classic with a direct drive capstan. Think of it as supercharged. tom brucker At 08:10 AM 2/28/07 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all ------------------========= This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From lenaw at flash.net Wed Feb 28 03:18:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070227180551.00860e20@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <304983.78178.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: What do you think about the Harman Kardon CAD5? I believe that it is OEM from Nakamichi. I still have this machine because I like the look. Any chance that this machine can be restored? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for the HK CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. tom brucker At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? With thanks David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Feb 28 05:13:17 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:13:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available Message-ID: <2405675E-6571-462C-B8D7-6AF8CCB3AD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> All I'm looking for is one bias/eq/level knob...for that I would be most grateful Weren't you the one looking for the azimuth belt?-kby From martin.short at nstarch.com Wed Feb 28 05:45:07 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:45:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A question on Transport. episode 24 In-Reply-To: <200702271031.l1RAVUv3008326@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: This debate is starting to resemble the flat earthers vs the round earthers.. and we all know Terry Pratchett won that contest I am going to state things from a layman's POV.....as I understand it from years of delving under the bonnet. I am neither an engineer nor electronics tech, just a hobbyist like most here. I'll also need some input from Tom Brucker/Jeff Galin/ Kannan etc to fill in the gaps or correct my understanding. The Nakamichi tape transports can be divided into two camps. "Nakamichi", and "Sankyo", no if's, no buts, it is very simple, and just determines who designed & made the mechanism. Within each camp there are a number of mechanism designs/configurations. Nakamichi: In house designs: Single capstan: 500/600/600II Single motor, Pressed steel chassis Dual Capstan: 700/700II 1000/1000 II 480/481/482 ) The Dual capstan. What we regard as the "Classic transport". 480Z/481Z/482Z ) Differences in mode of actuation, 580/581/582Z ) but mechanically essentially the same. 581Z/582Z ) Alloy plate, multilayer construction. 660ZX/670ZX ) 680/680ZX ) 681ZX/682ZX ) LX3/LX5 ) ZX-7 ) RX303/RX505 ) ZX-9 Direct drive version of the "classic transport" Dragon 700ZXE/ZXL 1000ZX/ ZXL LTD Sankyo: A 'third party' off the shelf mechanism. Pressed steel chassis. BX1/BX2 ) Single capstan, idler wheel spool drive BX100/125/150 ) CR1/2 ) Single capstan, gear spool drive CD2 ) DR3/DR8 ) CR3/CD1/CD1.5) Dual capstan, belt drive. gear spool drive DR1/DR2/DR10) MR2 ) BX300/MR1/CR5) Dual capstan, Direct Drive. Idler spool drive. (incl early CR7's) CR4/CR7 ) Dual capstan, Direct drive, Gear spool drive. Comments: As far as I can tell, all the Sankyo mech's use essentially the same chassis. The differences are in the number of perforations punched in the main backplate; to accomodate the second capstan, mount the DD motor etc. Hence why the spool gear drive kit can be burgled out of a CR1, and fitted into a BX300. (Also, this same mechanism/chassis can be found in other OEM decks, eg Sansui). Idler drive versions mount the mode control motor down in the deck, the gear drive versions have the mode control mounted higher up. As far as I can tell from the service manuals, the BX300 and CR5 transports are virtually identical, same part number for the DD motor etc, so should have the same mechanical performance. ( and I suspect the CR4/7 is this 'mech' too, thus, can the quoted W&F figures really be taken 'seriously'?). now I'll wait for the incoming.... Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. 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From esteyes at cox.net Wed Feb 28 07:49:17 2007 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:49:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] a naklist lurker's thoughts Message-ID: <019c01c75b04$91261f60$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> tom wrote: < From esteyes at cox.net Wed Feb 28 08:08:09 2007 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:08:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] amendment to a lurker's thought Message-ID: <01ba01c75b07$3420ec20$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> i posted: ********************************************** tom wrote: <>>'s in front of the words. my CR7A only has >> and << on the front. same with my 480 and 550. my DMP100 does not either, but the matching sony sl2000 does. my nak td500's and 700's do have << and >>'s. and that's where << and >>'s belong. just my $0.02 putting on flameproof asbestos suit now :-) hope i offended no one neil in san marcos a taperssection member naklist lurker and grateful for the list members and their participation old school car audio installer still taping live music > two track back to lurk mode & proud to be a naklist member! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 28 11:12:26 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:12:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <45E4D55E.1090202@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: I heard that interview, too. In my case, I have one ear completely dead and the other with partial hearing loss. The latter is assisted with a programmable digital hearing aid (standard NHS) that amplifies only those frequencies that I have most difficulty in hearing, back to a normal curve. With only one ear I ought not be able to hear "stereo". However, in certain circumstances, and with the right hi fi gear, I found I was able to "train" my brain to "hear" stereo music by "scanning" the good ear sitting in the "sweet spot" and scanning the ear between the speakers. I found I was able to place musicians and singers in a sound stage which replicated what fully hearing people also achieved. (The system was using Wadia and LP12 front end with Isobarik Active speakers driven by Naim amps.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 28 February 2007 01:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Listening to BBC radio today and I caught an interview with an American DJ called Russ Limbaugh. The thing that made the interview especially interesting was that he had lost his hearing and had received a cochlear implant, destroying his ability to hear a wide spectrum of frequencies. In the interview he stated that unfamiliar music did not sound like music to him, but that music he knew well was still pleasurable as his brain filled in the "missing" sections. I seem to remember some previous posts from members with hearing difficulties saying the same thing? Regards. Doug Locke. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 14:56:02 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:56:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Message-ID: <257568.95335.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gra, That digital aid was perhaps inspired by the Pioneer FLEX circuit? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:12:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. I heard that interview, too. In my case, I have one ear completely dead and the other with partial hearing loss. The latter is assisted with a programmable digital hearing aid (standard NHS) that amplifies only those frequencies that I have most difficulty in hearing, back to a normal curve. With only one ear I ought not be able to hear "stereo". However, in certain circumstances, and with the right hi fi gear, I found I was able to "train" my brain to "hear" stereo music by "scanning" the good ear sitting in the "sweet spot" and scanning the ear between the speakers. I found I was able to place musicians and singers in a sound stage which replicated what fully hearing people also achieved. (The system was using Wadia and LP12 front end with Isobarik Active speakers driven by Naim amps.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Locke Sent: 28 February 2007 01:06 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Listening to BBC radio today and I caught an interview with an American DJ called Russ Limbaugh. The thing that made the interview especially interesting was that he had lost his hearing and had received a cochlear implant, destroying his ability to hear a wide spectrum of frequencies. In the interview he stated that unfamiliar music did not sound like music to him, but that music he knew well was still pleasurable as his brain filled in the "missing" sections. I seem to remember some previous posts from members with hearing difficulties saying the same thing? Regards. Doug Locke. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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Larry Neil Sturtevant wrote: i posted: ********************************************** tom wrote: <>>'s in front of the words. my CR7A only has >> and << on the front. same with my 480 and 550. my DMP100 does not either, but the matching sony sl2000 does. my nak td500's and 700's do have << and >>'s. and that's where << and >>'s belong. just my $0.02 putting on flameproof asbestos suit now :-) hope i offended no one neil in san marcos a taperssection member naklist lurker and grateful for the list members and their participation old school car audio installer still taping live music > two track back to lurk mode & proud to be a naklist member! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 28 16:32:15 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:32:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts available In-Reply-To: <2405675E-6571-462C-B8D7-6AF8CCB3AD1C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20070228153215.83105.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, sure, so far you r the third ne who wants a specific part. No, I was looking for the azimuth wire, not the belt. rgds Khan "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: All I'm looking for is one bias/eq/level knob...for that I would be most grateful Weren't you the one looking for the azimuth belt?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 20:54:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:54:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: References: <45E4D55E.1090202@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> Graham, I am heartened that you continue to enjoy listening. One test an audiologist can perform is comparing hearing loss through the ear and loss through the bones. If our cochlea is functioning, but the eardum, etc. are damaged, we can still hear by listening with our skull! I have a bit of hf loss in one ear, yet my skull frequency response remains falt . The brain is smart enough and adaptive enough to make skull transmitted sound dominant, preserving the "stereo" . A simple experiment of skull sound is to block the ears, and put a vibrating tuning fork against your head. Or you could lean against the piano with your ears blocked. tom brucker At 10:12 AM 2/28/07 -0000, you wrote: >I heard that interview, too. In my case, I have one ear completely dead and >the other with partial hearing loss. The latter is assisted with a >programmable digital hearing aid (standard NHS) that amplifies only those >frequencies that I have most difficulty in hearing, back to a normal curve. > >With only one ear I ought not be able to hear "stereo". However, in certain >circumstances, and with the right hi fi gear, I found I was able to "train" >my brain to "hear" stereo music by "scanning" the good ear sitting in the >"sweet spot" and scanning the ear between the speakers. I found I was able >to place musicians and singers in a sound stage which replicated what fully >hearing people also achieved. (The system was using Wadia and LP12 front >end with Isobarik Active speakers driven by Naim amps.) > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Doug Locke >Sent: 28 February 2007 01:06 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. > > >Listening to BBC radio today and I caught an interview with an American >DJ called Russ Limbaugh. The thing that made the interview especially >interesting was that he had lost his hearing and had received a cochlear >implant, destroying his ability to hear a wide spectrum of frequencies. >In the interview he stated that unfamiliar music did not sound like >music to him, but that music he knew well was still pleasurable as his >brain filled in the "missing" sections. I seem to remember some previous >posts from members with hearing difficulties saying the same thing? >Regards. >Doug Locke. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 20:54:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:54:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <304983.78178.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070227180551.00860e20@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> Mike, It has been a long long time. The mechanism can be restored. It has a record play switch that will certainly be oxidized, causing the meters to peg in playback, motorboat sound, or no play back. In most cases it is cleanable, but if it needed replacement, that would be a challenge. Try pressing play, even without a tape in the holder. If the meters show no signal, and the sound is silent, then chances are I can get it fixed up. You have me wondering what it looks like. When I first began working on stereos in 1977 I saw one of these, an was shocked that it had the Nak mechanism, but the metal had a different color varnish on it. I don't remember the outside at all! We were pushing the HK 1000 as "just as good as a Nak", but I began testing the 600, and found that some 1000s could hit 20kHz, but most couldn't. Most 600s did just fine. Our store switched to selling Nakamichis. tom At 06:18 PM 2/27/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom: What do you think about the Harman Kardon CAD5? I believe that it is OEM from Nakamichi. I still have this machine because I like the look. Any chance that this machine can be restored? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for the HK CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. tom brucker At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? With thanks David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. 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QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Feb 28 20:57:45 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:57:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <200702281101.l1SB1iWI027735@zxe.naks.com> References: <200702281101.l1SB1iWI027735@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: From: "Graham Nelson" SNIP >I found I was able to place musicians and singers in a sound stage >which replicated what fully >hearing people also achieved. (The system was using Wadia and LP12 front >end with Isobarik Active speakers driven by Naim amps.) HI graham Whilst both glad and sorry to hear about your 'enahanced mono' Graham (glad because you still have the joy of music) I too have an old school 481z, Isobarik, Naim, LP12 system (passive though) and still dont often enjoy cd sound through it . I am awaiting delivery of a reclocked and new power supplied and much tweaked Rega Planet CDP in pursuit of the old analog .. to hopefully be nearer the Nak sound when using CD's ....what Nak do you use? I heard the R Limbaugh talk too ...... I didnt know what to make of him reminded me of Don Quixote ...tilting at imaginary windmills although with less charm than the esteemed Don ian r scotland From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 28 21:41:44 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:41:44 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: References: <200702281101.l1SB1iWI027735@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D90@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 21:50:04 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:50:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Wondering if you have worked on the HK2000? I have one that pegs the meters (one or both I don't remember). I got it in the 70s and would like it back working again. I bought one off of ebay recently that actually worked at first and then had one meter start to jump up so I can't use it either. When I had my original one in for service many years ago, the tech mentioned that it had Nak heads. I always liked the recordings it made, which I still play back on my Naks (700zxl, 660zx, MR2, etc.) or Denon (DRM-800A). Thanks, David Is this the challenging problem you mentioned with the --- Hi Tech wrote: > Mike, > It has been a long long time. The mechanism can be > restored. It has a > record play switch that will certainly be oxidized, > causing the meters to > peg in playback, motorboat sound, or no play back. > In most cases it is > cleanable, but if it needed replacement, that would > be a challenge. Try > pressing play, even without a tape in the holder. If > the meters show no > signal, and the sound is silent, then chances are I > can get it fixed up. > You have me wondering what it looks like. When I > first began working on > stereos in 1977 I saw one of these, an was shocked > that it had the Nak > mechanism, but the metal had a different color > varnish on it. I don't > remember the outside at all! We were pushing the HK > 1000 as "just as good > as a Nak", but I began testing the 600, and found > that some 1000s could hit > 20kHz, but most couldn't. Most 600s did just fine. > Our store switched to > selling Nakamichis. > > tom > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 28 22:07:15 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:07:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum In-Reply-To: <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D91@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> This is tangentially Nak related. :) Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds like a ground hum through the speakers. -- The cable is long, 25 ft. -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. Any ideas? I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. -- From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Wed Feb 28 22:11:34 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:11:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analog CD Sound Message-ID: <25865466.1172697094881.JavaMail.root@web39> I bought Decware DVD/SACD player a modified Sony 5-Disc DVD/CD/SACD Changer, Model DVPNC685V almost 3 years ago and think it has great analog sound (http://www.decware.com/SACD/sacd.htm). Decware has also come out with a stand alone tube output stage ZBOX (http://www.decware.com/newsite/mainmenu.htm) that looks very interesting. John ---- "Beckner wrote: > Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you > abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe > him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is > very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry > Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the > Bush administration is generally perceived to be. > > Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD > player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I > think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only > lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't > play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was > very nice. > > Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, > but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it > has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after > market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks > well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD > player. From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Wed Feb 28 22:11:37 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:11:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analog CD Sound Message-ID: <23231734.1172697097454.JavaMail.root@web39> I bought Decware DVD/SACD player a modified Sony 5-Disc DVD/CD/SACD Changer, Model DVPNC685V almost 3 years ago and think it has great analog sound (http://www.decware.com/SACD/sacd.htm). Decware has also come out with a stand alone tube output stage ZBOX (http://www.decware.com/newsite/mainmenu.htm) that looks very interesting. John ---- "Beckner wrote: > Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you > abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe > him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is > very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry > Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the > Bush administration is generally perceived to be. > > Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD > player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I > think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only > lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't > play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was > very nice. > > Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, > but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it > has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after > market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks > well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD > player. From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 28 22:14:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:14:08 EST Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Message-ID: In a message dated 2/28/2007 12:06:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I am heartened that you continue to enjoy listening. One test an audiologist can perform is comparing hearing loss through the ear and loss through the bones. If our cochlea is functioning, but the eardum, etc. are damaged, we can still hear by listening with our skull! I have a bit of hf loss in one ear, yet my skull frequency response remains falt . The brain is smart enough and adaptive enough to make skull transmitted sound dominant, preserving the "stereo" . A simple experiment of skull sound is to block the ears, and put a vibrating tuning fork against your head. Or you could lean against the piano with your ears blocked. I've kind of lost track of Naktalk for 36 hours due to the stock market, but I do have one thing to say about psychoacoustics. When the common CD digital sampling format was developed most cognitive scientists believed that humans couldn't hear beyond 20K Hertz or so. The digital sampling rate for CD's was then set to produce a roughly 22K Hertz upper limit which was believed adequate for even the ears of audiophiles. Higher frequencies were thought to belong to dog whistles. In the last 10 years, cognitive scientists have begun to re-evaluate the assumption that hearing was limited to roughly the 20K Hertz threshold. It turns out that the ear may perceive frequencies up to 28K Hertz or perhaps beyond, but not interpret the message as "sound." The perception that a certain sound comes from the right or left - "directionality" - seems to be involved with frequencies in this range, even if the vibrational information is beyond normal hearing. There may be other information reaching the brain as well. This was tested out by subjecting individuals to sounds which did or did not contain any information beyond various thresholds, and directionality was found to be dependent upon these very high frequencies, and not just the stereo effect of bi-aural (two-eared) perception. I think if you study the historical development of the concept of "imaging" in speakers, you will find it parallels the degradation of sound quality which took place when the music world (and everybody else for that matter) went from analog to digital. We used to get really good imaging from intelligent microphone placement, but the digital world has wound up with sound being so manipulated that it has to be re-"imaged" by speaker design. Now, in the "you think you had a bad day" department. I'm selling all my 6 old 2-head Sankyo Nak decks on Craigslist. Yesterday at noon PST I sold one to a semi-retired doctor. We started to talk about the 300 point drop in the DOW which had just taken place. He said to me that he had just lost $100,000 in the last 5 minutes. He seemed to be taking it OK. He paid me cash for the deck. Jeff


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Wed Feb 28 22:29:23 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:29:23 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum References: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net><337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D91@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <003701c75b7f$845537a0$b54b98de@tec> Computers are not high fidelity devices! Hum is usually caused by lack of a common ground point ie all of your devices need to be grounded at the same point. I suggest that at least one of your devices needs its earth contact removed so that grounding occurs via one amplifier only - your power amp. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > Any ideas? > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 > 4:09 p.m. > > From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 28 22:31:25 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:31:25 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D93@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> If he lost that much in a 4% drop, I'm sure he has plenty more where that came from. :-) ___________________________________ He said to me that he had just lost $100,000 in the last 5 minutes. He seemed to be taking it OK. He paid me cash for the deck. Jeff ________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 28 22:40:38 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum In-Reply-To: <003701c75b7f$845537a0$b54b98de@tec> Message-ID: <316998.36293.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Donald, Derrick, I also tried this with about 15 feet of cable and got the same results however I didn't have enuff shielded cables so they were the cheapie cables and was wondering if that was the problem? Derrick, were you using shielded cables? Bob Donald Sangster wrote: Computers are not high fidelity devices! Hum is usually caused by lack of a common ground point ie all of your devices need to be grounded at the same point. I suggest that at least one of your devices needs its earth contact removed so that grounding occurs via one amplifier only - your power amp. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > Any ideas? > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 > 4:09 p.m. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Feb 28 22:40:34 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:40:34 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] A weird hum - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <003701c75b7f$845537a0$b54b98de@tec> References: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net><337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com><1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D91@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> <003701c75b7f$845537a0$b54b98de@tec> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D94@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Now that sounds like it has promise. They are on two different circuits in the house. As to hi-fidelity, we are talking about 192Kbps wma files, so no, it's not CD or LP quality, but for listening to music I am unwilling to shell out $13 for it is perfectly acceptable. Somewhere above most pre-recorded tapes from the 70s and early 80s. No surface noise, no tape hiss, pretty decent FR in the low and mid. Could do a lot worse for $9.99 a month of unlimited music. Anyhow, thanks for the suggestion, I will see how I can work that out tonight! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Donald Sangster Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:29 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] A weird hum - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Computers are not high fidelity devices! Hum is usually caused by lack of a common ground point ie all of your devices need to be grounded at the same point. I suggest that at least one of your devices needs its earth contact removed so that grounding occurs via one amplifier only - your power amp. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > Any ideas? > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > -- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 > 4:09 p.m. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed Feb 28 22:46:54 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:46:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D91@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D91@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <45E5F84E.4040408@caribsurf.com> Earth loop? Computer connected to earth and so is the HiFi. As the PC moves closer to the entertainment centre, I am surprised that no one offers a wireless interconnect between the audio/video outputs of the PC and the inputs to the HT or Stereo. Like you, I have run audio/video cables about 30ft to connect the PC with the HT/stereo but I have not tried it yet. Apparently when you are changing your PC, you can buy one with Windows Media centre which, I understand, will allow this interconnect but I have no info Regards Paul Beckner, Derrick wrote: > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > Any ideas? > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 28 22:53:23 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:53:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum Message-ID: In a message dated 2/28/2007 1:15:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dgb100 at psu.edu writes: I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. Check the specs on any wireless device. Many of them don't carry any acoustic information above 15K Hertz - like MP3. Jeff


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I'm almost positive it's the grounding thing, because I used to have the two items in the same room and it worked flawlessly. New computers are much better designed that their predecessors, there is virtually no internal noise transmitted now. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Paul Carrington Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:47 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [naktalk] A weird hum - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Earth loop? Computer connected to earth and so is the HiFi. As the PC moves closer to the entertainment centre, I am surprised that no one offers a wireless interconnect between the audio/video outputs of the PC and the inputs to the HT or Stereo. Like you, I have run audio/video cables about 30ft to connect the PC with the HT/stereo but I have not tried it yet. Apparently when you are changing your PC, you can buy one with Windows Media centre which, I understand, will allow this interconnect but I have no info Regards Paul ======= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 28 23:59:14 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:59:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bala Perhaps so! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 28 February 2007 13:56 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Hi Gra, That digital aid was perhaps inspired by the Pioneer FLEX circuit? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Feb 28 23:59:36 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:59:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Tom Yes, I know the skull transmits sound but I understand that, in my case, all it does is transmit from the totally deaf side to the much better side! In my case, it seems that the inner ear of the right ear is probably in perfect shape. What stops it working is a broken nerve, like having a telephone with the wires cut. I am told that the way I actually hear stereo is much like the first generation of radar were able to place distance and height of aircraft from a single source moving radar transmitter/receiver. All goes to show how damned amazing is the brain! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 28 February 2007 19:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Graham, I am heartened that you continue to enjoy listening. One test an audiologist can perform is comparing hearing loss through the ear and loss through the bones. If our cochlea is functioning, but the eardum, etc. are damaged, we can still hear by listening with our skull! I have a bit of hf loss in one ear, yet my skull frequency response remains falt . The brain is smart enough and adaptive enough to make skull transmitted sound dominant, preserving the "stereo" . A simple experiment of skull sound is to block the ears, and put a vibrating tuning fork against your head. Or you could lean against the piano with your ears blocked. tom brucker From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 23:32:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:32:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070228135448.008625b0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070228163218.00862510@earthlink.net> The record play switches need cleaning or replacement. I can do that. Interesting comment about the Nak heads. I suppose it could be the 500 head, but the 600 head was a much better head. Its face contour was sharper, reducing low frequency head bumps. As I recall the HK 2000 could easily do 18kHz, and a few could do a shaky 20kHz, so it would be fun to see what head is in there. I'm sure I haven't seen this deck for 20 years, but I have kept the service manual. tom brucker At 12:50 PM 2/28/07 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Wondering if you have worked on the HK2000? I have >one that pegs the meters (one or both I don't >remember). I got it in the 70s and would like it back >working again. I bought one off of ebay recently that >actually worked at first and then had one meter start >to jump up so I can't use it either. >When I had my original one in for service many years >ago, the tech mentioned that it had Nak heads. I >always liked the recordings it made, which I still >play back on my Naks (700zxl, 660zx, MR2, etc.) or >Denon (DRM-800A). > >Thanks, >David > >Is this the challenging problem you mentioned with the > >--- Hi Tech wrote: > >> Mike, >> It has been a long long time. The mechanism can be >> restored. It has a >> record play switch that will certainly be oxidized, >> causing the meters to >> peg in playback, motorboat sound, or no play back. >> In most cases it is >> cleanable, but if it needed replacement, that would >> be a challenge. Try >> pressing play, even without a tape in the holder. If >> the meters show no >> signal, and the sound is silent, then chances are I >> can get it fixed up. >> You have me wondering what it looks like. When I >> first began working on >> stereos in 1977 I saw one of these, an was shocked >> that it had the Nak >> mechanism, but the metal had a different color >> varnish on it. I don't >> remember the outside at all! We were pushing the HK >> 1000 as "just as good >> as a Nak", but I began testing the 600, and found >> that some 1000s could hit >> 20kHz, but most couldn't. Most 600s did just fine. >> Our store switched to >> selling Nakamichis. >> >> tom >> > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Want to start your own business? >Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-January.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 1 17:21:44 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:21:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] donated naks In-Reply-To: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> References: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <45993518.9080107@rcn.com> Hi, If you DR-1 is still available, I'd love to have it. Just the project for long, cold winter days... Thanks in advance, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > While i was on a holiday the last month a few decks were contributed > through the website: > > DR-1 > John Seitz (johnseitz at bellsouth.net) > ERROR message in LED. Local repair guy said it might need a 'servo of > some kind'. Not really sure about that but he said that parts were not > available. I'm in Augusta GA > > 480 > Birger Hofmann (birger.hofmann at telia.com) > > 660ZX and BX-300 > Bob Gibson (bobgibbie at gmail.com) > > Contact the donators through the email address I supplied. > I don't know anything else about these decks so don't ask me. > > Wouter From lists at richardhess.com Mon Jan 1 17:46:44 2007 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:46:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth effects on different decks. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20061228102522.0083bbc0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453105.52375.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20061208091307.0085d100@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061210162428.007d9430@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20061228102522.0083bbc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200701011647.l01GlRfF022307@zxe.naks.com> Hello, Tom, I think you are certainly correct, but I think it's important to know as you won't believe the number of people who want 96 ks/s 24 bit transfers of their cassettes -- which weren't generally even made on a machine the quality of a Nak. I generally convince them to go to 44.1 ks/s and 24 bit -- I like using 24 bits because I can use a set-and-forget level that will accommodate the maximum output of a cassette rather than trying to find the maximum level point on each cassette. Of course, if the final product will be a "red book" audio CD, then once the levels are normalized we throw away the last 8 bits, or what's left of them. I have written Nakamichi requesting permission to post the two documents on the AES Historical Committee Web site. Happy New Year! Cheers, Richard At 11:25 AM 2006-12-28, Hi Tech wrote: >"As the world turns" > >I guess the important point is what can we expect sound-wise when we move >tapes from one machine to another??? Tapes recorded on a Nak will playback >on IEC decks with less air? Tapes recorded on IEC decks will sound >brighter when played on a Nak? >My guess is that in a perfectly calibrated world, a listener might hear >differences. In the real Dolby B universe, frequency response and record >level calibration errors, track alignment, tape skew, and self erasure >render all this stuff 'argument for argument's sake'. I am saying that the >list of gross errors overwhelm the error created by different Playback >frequency standards. Interesting that Philips referred to frequencies >above 12.5kHz as "optional". Doesn't the 1000ZXl go one octave above >"optional"? > >tom brucker > >At 05:40 PM 12/27/06 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Tom and all, > > > >I thought you might be interested in what I found when I dug into the > >cassette EQ mess. It was a matter of saving face for a large number > >of companies... > > > >See: > > > >http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambi >guity-at-16-khz/ > > > >Happy Holidays! > > > >Richard > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Jan 1 18:04:17 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:04:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] donated naks In-Reply-To: <45993518.9080107@rcn.com> References: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> <45993518.9080107@rcn.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10701010904p715a2babufaa4ec445e128502@mail.gmail.com> Ron, This went to the whole list. I hope you did actually send it to johnseitz at bellsouth.net as well. Happy New Year ! George On 1/1/07, Ron wrote: > > Hi, > > If you DR-1 is still available, I'd love to have it. > Just the project for long, cold winter days... > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > While i was on a holiday the last month a few decks were contributed > > through the website: > > > > DR-1 > > John Seitz (johnseitz at bellsouth.net) > > ERROR message in LED. Local repair guy said it might need a 'servo of > > some kind'. Not really sure about that but he said that parts were not > > available. I'm in Augusta GA > > > > 480 > > Birger Hofmann (birger.hofmann at telia.com) > > > > 660ZX and BX-300 > > Bob Gibson (bobgibbie at gmail.com) > > > > Contact the donators through the email address I supplied. > > I don't know anything else about these decks so don't ask me. > > > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From pawel at bartuzi.org Mon Jan 1 19:39:08 2007 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:39:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 controls cover plastic latches Message-ID: <4599554C.205@bartuzi.org> Hello, In my Cassette Deck 1 the deck control cover is held in place with two plastic elements, shown on these photos: http://flickr.com/photos/pawelb/341036367/ http://flickr.com/photos/pawelb/341036500/ Unfortunately, one of the elements is broken - I tried glueing it but it keeps falling into pieces... Does anybody have a spare part like this? Please respond on or off-list. -- Best regards, Pawel ____________________________________________________________________________ Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! www.nazwa.pl From orrin000 at centurytel.net Mon Jan 1 20:16:08 2007 From: orrin000 at centurytel.net (OMI) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:16:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 controls cover plastic latches In-Reply-To: <4599554C.205@bartuzi.org> Message-ID: <000001c72dd9$4e025f80$2f01a8c0@uzqu8chfwfb5nt> Try surehold Plastic Surgery glue. May work. http://www.surehold.com/ http://www.acehardware.com/sm-instant-super--fi-1305125_cp-1254532.1254889_p g-2.html -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 controls cover plastic latches Hello, In my Cassette Deck 1 the deck control cover is held in place with two plastic elements, shown on these photos: http://flickr.com/photos/pawelb/341036367/ http://flickr.com/photos/pawelb/341036500/ Unfortunately, one of the elements is broken - I tried glueing it but it keeps falling into pieces... Does anybody have a spare part like this? Please respond on or off-list. -- Best regards, Pawel ____________________________________________________________________________ Czas wybrac dobra nazwe! www.nazwa.pl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 1 20:23:17 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:23:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] donated naks In-Reply-To: <518b7b10701010904p715a2babufaa4ec445e128502@mail.gmail.com> References: <4598091C.6030402@xs4all.nl> <45993518.9080107@rcn.com> <518b7b10701010904p715a2babufaa4ec445e128502@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45995FA5.3010603@rcn.com> George, this was a clear case of fingers faster than brain... I apologize for the wasted bandwidth. -- Ron george valkov wrote: > Ron, > > This went to the whole list. > > I hope you did actually send it to johnseitz at bellsouth.net as well. > > Happy New Year ! > > George > > On 1/1/07, Ron wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> If you DR-1 is still available, I'd love to have it. >> Just the project for long, cold winter days... >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Wouter Heijke wrote: >> > While i was on a holiday the last month a few decks were contributed >> > through the website: >> > >> > DR-1 >> > John Seitz (johnseitz at bellsouth.net) >> > ERROR message in LED. Local repair guy said it might need a 'servo of >> > some kind'. Not really sure about that but he said that parts were not >> > available. I'm in Augusta GA >> > >> > 480 >> > Birger Hofmann (birger.hofmann at telia.com) >> > >> > 660ZX and BX-300 >> > Bob Gibson (bobgibbie at gmail.com) >> > >> > Contact the donators through the email address I supplied. >> > I don't know anything else about these decks so don't ask me. >> > >> > Wouter From stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 2 00:59:56 2007 From: stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com (Steve Kendall) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:59:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems Message-ID: As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis I’ve recently brought my first deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether it is something that can be fixed at home ? 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There are a lot of other potential causes, but gummed-up pinch roller pivots seem to be all the rage these days. -Tim On 1/1/07, Steve Kendall wrote: > > As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis I've recently brought my first > deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a > few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller > no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan > starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if > anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether > it is something that can be fixed at home ? > > Thanks > > Steve > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 2 04:21:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:21:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110701011617u5c490660u71b8c814a6c0eaa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110701011617u5c490660u71b8c814a6c0eaa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4599CF9E.7010207@rcn.com> In all likelihood, the problem is a dirty or worn idler tire. See Scott Johnsons web site for pointers. Stuck pinch roller pivots can cause cause problems, but most often it's not what the OP described. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > Been hearing a lot of this lately, strange. Clean and lube the pinch > roller pivot, very gently, see if that helps. There are a lot of other > potential causes, but gummed-up pinch roller pivots seem to be all the > rage these days. > > -Tim > > On 1/1/07, *Steve Kendall* > wrote: > > As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis I've recently brought my > first deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received > ,but after a few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the > heads and pinch roller no longer engage when play or record are > pressed ,although the capstan starts to rotate for a few seconds > before switching back off . I wonder if anyone out there might have > an idea of what might be the fault and whether it is something that > can be fixed at home ? > > Thanks > > Steve From danbarham at aol.com Tue Jan 2 07:00:35 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:00:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] alignment jigs Message-ID: <8C8FC4A7461F955-E1C-84BF@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom and fellow Nakkers, Happy New Year to all! Something you said in a recent post about an iInformation Terminals alignment jig caught my eye. I have just about given up hope trying to find any Nak alignment gear or tapes. While there are various alternatives to the genuine tapes, such as Luis Peromarta's clones (which I have a set ((Thanks Luis!)), the mechanical alignment jigs are rare and hard to come by. Does this iInformation Terminals make a guide alignment jig suitable for our purposes which could be purchased? A Google search of that term didn't come up with anything. I know that a good mechanical alignment should be performed before any electrical tweeks but without the jigs, this is near impossible. I have service manuals for many brands and Denon just says to ensure that the tape guides don't curl the edges of the tape! They don't mention anything about how to actually position them correctly except the aforementioned. In case any of you were wondering, in addition to the six different Naks I own (680ZX, 680, 600II, BX-300, BX-125, BX-100), my other deck I use and like quite a bit is the Denon DR-M44HX. A direct drive, dual capstan, 3 head machine that is pretty nice. Its transport looks like it was made of an erector set compared to the classic Nak transport but it's a decent machine, none the less. So is there some light at the end of this tunnel or am I still on the holy grail quest for genuine Nak alignment jigs? Dan Barham Chicago, IL ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Jan 2 07:09:45 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:09:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] alignment jigs In-Reply-To: <8C8FC4A7461F955-E1C-84BF@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8FC4A7461F955-E1C-84BF@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110701012209y619fbb65m6b2296711dc57271@mail.gmail.com> Information Terminals Corporation became Verbatim Corporation Inc., a name you might recognize. I called them a while back and talked to a guy that had been around there forever, asking him if they had any old M-300s (the record/playback head adjuster gauge mentioned in many Nak service manuals) laying around, he said that the last he'd seen them was a decade and a half ago when they threw them out. I was heartbroken, and have had no luck finding the gauges since either. -Tim On 1/2/07, danbarham at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Tom and fellow Nakkers, > > Happy New Year to all! Something you said in a recent post about an > iInformation Terminals alignment jig caught my eye. I have just about given > up hope trying to find any Nak alignment gear or tapes. While there are > various alternatives to the genuine tapes, such as Luis Peromarta's clones > (which I have a set ((Thanks Luis!)), the mechanical alignment jigs are rare > and hard to come by. Does this iInformation Terminals make a guide alignment > jig suitable for our purposes which could be purchased? A Google search of > that term didn't come up with anything. I know that a good mechanical > alignment should be performed before any electrical tweeks but without the > jigs, this is near impossible. I have service manuals for many brands and > Denon just says to ensure that the tape guides don't curl the edges of the > tape! They don't mention anything about how to actually position them > correctly except the aforementioned. In case any of you were wonder! ing, in > addition to the six different Naks I own (680ZX, 680, 600II, BX-300, BX-125, > BX-100), my other deck I use and like quite a bit is the Denon DR-M44HX. A > direct drive, dual capstan, 3 head machine that is pretty nice. Its > transport looks like it was made of an erector set compared to the classic > Nak transport but it's a decent machine, none the less. So is there some > light at the end of this tunnel or am I still on the holy grail quest for > genuine Nak alignment jigs? > > Dan Barham > Chicago, IL > ------------------------------ > *Check out the new AOL*. > Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to > millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jan 2 08:10:47 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:40:47 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 controls cover plastic latches Message-ID: <002201c72e3d$2429f240$0501a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Pawel Plastics are a bit of a pain to fix together .. What you can try is to get hold of a fine piece of cotton cloth .... the wave and thread should be fine. Cut it into a thin strip (as wide as the plastic to be stuck) so that you an wrap it around or over the plastic Ensure that the cloth does not cause any jam in the movement of the hinges ... maybe using it on the top or bottom will be a better option. Then, using some cyanoacrylate adhesive (like superglue etc) ensure you make the cloth stick over the 2 pieces of plastic. Once dry, they will hold together very well. I have stuck many plastic stuff like this which even take a lot of tension everyday (locks/latches etc) Best Soumi From johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl Tue Jan 2 14:22:52 2007 From: johan.e.berserik at hetnet.nl (Johan Berserik) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:22:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Beste vrienden, familie en bekenden, Message-ID: Ik gebruik een spamfilter en u waarschijnlijk ook. Ik heb u op de witte lijst gezet en dat betekent dat ik alle e-mail die u mij toezendt ontvangen zal. U zou mij een groot plezier doen als u mij op de witte lijst zet van uw spamfilter. Als u nog geen spamfilter heeft, kan ik u SPAMfighter aanbevelen. Het is een gratis spamfilter voor Outlook en Outlook Express. U kunt SPAMfighter hier verkrijgen: http://www.spamfighter.com/Pro Ik hoop dat u me op de witte lijst zet, zodat we elkaar in het vervolg veilig kunnen mailen. Vriendelijke groeten Johan Berserik From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 2 17:01:03 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 10:01:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] alignment jigs In-Reply-To: <8C8FC4A7461F955-E1C-84BF@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070102100103.0084fa10@earthlink.net> One of my missions is to track down unused Nakamichi alignment tapes and jigs through my peer contacts in the repair business. I am sure I can get one set. Kermit was the first to express interest. I will try to locate an M-300 for you. The #1 alignment for pad lifter naks is the supply and take up guide heights. You can fake your way through the rest of the adjustments. tom brucker At 01:00 AM 1/2/07 -0500, danbarham at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Tom and fellow Nakkers, Happy New Year to all! Something you said in a recent post about an iInformation Terminals alignment jig caught my eye. I have just about given up hope trying to find any Nak alignment gear or tapes. While there are various alternatives to the genuine tapes, such as Luis Peromarta's clones (which I have a set ((Thanks Luis!)), the mechanical alignment jigs are rare and hard to come by. Does this iInformation Terminals make a guide alignment jig suitable for our purposes which could be purchased? A Google search of that term didn't come up with anything. I know that a good mechanical alignment should be performed before any electrical tweeks but without the jigs, this is near impossible. I have service manuals for many brands and Denon just says to ensure that the tape guides don't curl the edges of the tape! They don't mention anything about how to actually position them correctly except the aforementioned. In case any of you were wonder! ing, in addition to the six different Naks I own (680ZX, 680, 600II, BX-300, BX-125, BX-100), my other deck I use and like quite a bit is the Denon DR-M44HX. A direct drive, dual capstan, 3 head machine that is pretty nice. Its transport looks like it was made of an erector set compared to the classic Nak transport but it's a decent machine, none the less. So is there some light at the end of this tunnel or am I still on the holy grail quest for genuine Nak alignment jigs? Dan Barham Chicago, IL ---------- Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 2 16:56:59 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:56:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070102095659.0084fa10@earthlink.net> Steve, The mode cam motor has stalled. The procedure for cleaning the brushes is DIY. There is a link somewhere...I'd be thankful if someone would post it again. tom brucker At 11:59 PM 1/1/07 -0000, Steve Kendall wrote: >>>> As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis Ive recently brought my first deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether it is something that can be fixed at home ? Thanks Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 2 20:40:15 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:40:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070102095659.0084fa10@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070102095659.0084fa10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <459AB51F.40104@rcn.com> Tom, When the cam motor stalls, the deck won't go into play mode at all. If it does play but stops within a second or two, it's often because the takeup hub doesn't pull the tape. Most common reasons for that are either a bad idler tire or a reel motor that has developed dead spots. The former is more common. -- Ron Hi Tech wrote: > Steve, > The mode cam motor has stalled. The procedure for cleaning the brushes is > DIY. There is a link somewhere...I'd be thankful if someone would post it > again. > > tom brucker > > At 11:59 PM 1/1/07 -0000, Steve Kendall wrote: > > As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis Ive recently brought my first > deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a > few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller > no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan > starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if > anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether > it is something that can be fixed at home ? > > Thanks > > Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 2 23:39:09 2007 From: stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com (Steve Kendall) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:39:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110701011617u5c490660u71b8c814a6c0eaa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tim,           Thanks for the advice ,I gave the pivot a clean with some trichloroethane  on a cotton bud and it seems to have worked as the heads and roller now engage. Just wondered what to use to re-lubricate it , would Vaseline be okay?                                           Thanks Steve -----Original Message----- From: Tim Skorick [mailto:tim.skorick at gmail.com] Sent: 02 January 2007 00:18 To: stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX1 Problems Been hearing a lot of this lately, strange. Clean and lube the pinch roller pivot, very gently, see if that helps. There are a lot of other potential causes, but gummed-up pinch roller pivots seem to be all the rage these days. -Tim On 1/1/07, Steve Kendall < stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com > wrote: As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis I've recently brought my first deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether it is something that can be fixed at home ? Thanks Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 14:58 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 00:05:27 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:05:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: References: <6bddc1110701011617u5c490660u71b8c814a6c0eaa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110701021505v78081b97r9087589f68e4e954@mail.gmail.com> Heh, if it was real gummed up I'd use a tiny amount of penetrating oil, work it in there by gently moving the pinch roller manually, and let it sit for a while. I don't know that this will work as a serious long-term lubricant, but I haven't had any issues on the decks I'd treated with it yet. BTW this is a common problem on some open reel decks as well, lubricants just dry up and turn into cement after a while. -Tim On 1/2/07, Steve Kendall wrote: > > Tim, > > Thanks for the advice ,I gave the pivot a clean with some > trichloroethane on a cotton bud and it seems to have worked as the heads > and roller now engage. Just wondered what to use to re-lubricate it , would > Vaseline be okay? > > Thanks Steve > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Tim Skorick [mailto:tim.skorick at gmail.com] > *Sent:* 02 January 2007 00:18 > *To:* stephen.kendall at ntlworld.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BX1 Problems > > > > Been hearing a lot of this lately, strange. Clean and lube the pinch > roller pivot, very gently, see if that helps. There are a lot of other > potential causes, but gummed-up pinch roller pivots seem to be all the rage > these days. > > -Tim > > On 1/1/07, *Steve Kendall* wrote: > > As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis I've recently brought my first > deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a > few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller > no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan > starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if > anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether > it is something that can be fixed at home ? > > Thanks > > Steve > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klepape at shaw.ca Wed Jan 3 01:54:47 2007 From: klepape at shaw.ca (Kevin LePape) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:54:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Allsop Message-ID: <00c201c72ed1$c3ff4ec0$6501a8c0@kevinoffice> Hello, I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in my car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? Thanks and cheers, Kevin Kelowna, BC 660xz & Dragon From paulkoo at comcast.net Wed Jan 3 03:19:21 2007 From: paulkoo at comcast.net (paulkoo at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:19:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Allsop Message-ID: <010320070219.14651.459B12A900067CB40000393B2200751090010105049A0E9F@comcast.net> I typically use 99% isopropol alcohol and cotton swap for my CR7a. But I did use the Allsop cassette for the car and tried it on the Nak without any harm. I only use the pad once and replace them with new ones. Paul -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kevin LePape > Hello, > > I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak > decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in my > car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop > cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > > Thanks and cheers, > > Kevin > Kelowna, BC > 660xz & Dragon > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: paulkoo at comcast.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] AllsopDate: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:19:21 +0000 I typically use 99% isopropol alcohol and cotton swap for my CR7a. But I did use the Allsop cassette for the car and tried it on the Nak without any harm. I only use the pad once and replace them with new ones. Paul -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kevin LePape > Hello, > > I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak > decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in my > car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop > cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > > Thanks and cheers, > > Kevin > Kelowna, BC > 660xz & Dragon > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo! /naktal k > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 3 06:18:40 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:48:40 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Motor Care Message-ID: <003501c72ef6$a3282c60$0501a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all I did recall reading this somewhere but i cant find it now. What is the recommendation for the care of Takeup, capstan and servo motors ? Do i oil them with a drop of light machine oil (sewing machine oil) or should i use watch oil ? or whatever else is recommended ? Best Soumi From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 3 17:21:39 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Allsop In-Reply-To: <00c201c72ed1$c3ff4ec0$6501a8c0@kevinoffice> Message-ID: <23082.40324.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have used them in my car stereos. It seemed to continue to sound fine but I substituted denatured alcohol since I didn't know what fluid was in the alsop. I have used denatured alcohol for 40 years. Bob Kevin LePape wrote: Hello, I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in my car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? Thanks and cheers, Kevin Kelowna, BC 660xz & Dragon ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Wed Jan 3 20:58:19 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:58:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon fs in sweden Message-ID: There is a Dragon fs in Sweden, price is set at SEK 5000:- With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. ftp://ftp.servage.net for uploads use "naks" as both password and username. Or you can use the free www.yousendit.com service. http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > From flifton at mac.com Wed Jan 3 21:12:58 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:12:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200701031100.l03B05fP026002@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701031100.l03B05fP026002@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I would remove the deck and just pop off the cover and clean the heads the normal way, with swabs. I don't think any automatic device can do as good a job, and it's really very easy to pop the cover off most car decks. cheers, Fred On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: Kevin LePape > Date: January 2, 2007 4:54:47 PM PST > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Allsop > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Hello, > > I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my > Nak > decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch > rollers in my > car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the > Allsop > cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > > Thanks and cheers, > > Kevin > Kelowna, BC > 660xz & Dragon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 3 22:08:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:08:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX1 Problems In-Reply-To: <459AB51F.40104@rcn.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070102095659.0084fa10@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070102095659.0084fa10@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070103150838.008476c0@earthlink.net> Trust me. The capstan motor is electronically switched, but the head base only moves when the cam rotates. I have seen this condition many times. It is easy to confirm...just nudge the mode cam motor pulley from below, and it should play. tom brucker At 02:40 PM 1/2/07 -0500, you wrote: >Tom, > >When the cam motor stalls, the deck won't go into play mode >at all. If it does play but stops within a second or two, >it's often because the takeup hub doesn't pull the tape. >Most common reasons for that are either a bad idler tire or >a reel motor that has developed dead spots. The former is >more common. > >-- Ron > > >Hi Tech wrote: >> Steve, >> The mode cam motor has stalled. The procedure for cleaning the brushes is >> DIY. There is a link somewhere...I'd be thankful if someone would post it >> again. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 11:59 PM 1/1/07 -0000, Steve Kendall wrote: >> >> As a newcomer to the world of Nakamichis Ive recently brought my first >> deck ,a BX1, via ebay .It was working fine when first received ,but after a >> few weeks has stopped working .The fault is that the heads and pinch roller >> no longer engage when play or record are pressed ,although the capstan >> starts to rotate for a few seconds before switching back off . I wonder if >> anyone out there might have an idea of what might be the fault and whether >> it is something that can be fixed at home ? >> >> Thanks >> >> Steve >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> <<<< >> >> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 22:37:06 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:37:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: <200701031100.l03B05fP026002@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110701031337v66890d57v4656c46d98f9ab70@mail.gmail.com> I'm inclined to agree. I don't have anything against the idea of automated cleaning, but head configurations can be so different (don't get me started on cleaning around pressure pad lifters), there are more items in the tape path needing cleaning than what automatic cleaners are designed to scrub, and I don't trust the fluid these companies sell either. I mean, Ultreen? Any idea what's in it? I know what's in the denatured alcohol I get at Home Depot, I don't know what's in Ultreen. Just my picky $.02 -Tim On 1/3/07, Fred Lifton wrote: > > I would remove the deck and just pop off the cover and clean the heads the > normal way, with swabs. I don't think any automatic device can do as good a > job, and it's really very easy to pop the cover off most car decks.cheers, > Fred > > On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > *From: *Kevin LePape > > *Date: *January 2, 2007 4:54:47 PM PST > > *To: *naktalk at naks.com > > *Subject: **[naktalk] Allsop* > > *Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Hello, > > > I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak > > decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in > my > > car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop > > cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > > > Thanks and cheers, > > > Kevin > > Kelowna, BC > > 660xz & Dragon > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jan 4 00:03:47 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:03:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] alignment jigs Message-ID: <7E8BF97E-2DD9-4CAF-BAF8-569064ECC2AA@alumni.caltech.edu> > One of my missions is to track down unused Nakamichi alignment > tapes and > jigs through my peer contacts in the repair business. I am sure I > can get > one set. Kermit was the first to express interest. I will try to > locate an > M-300 for you. The #1 alignment for pad lifter naks is the supply > and take > up guide heights. You can fake your way through the rest of the > adjustments. > > tom brucker I would think that of the tapes, the track alignment tape would be the most desirable to get as we haven't found a way yet to even fake that tape (OK, you can adjust for maximum on a more "normal" tape, but I assume there's a good reason Nak decided to go through the extra effort to do it the way they do). Of the jigs, it would seem the tilt gauge is the most desirable there, IMHO. My interest is the classic decks.-kby From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 01:05:22 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:05:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] alignment jigs In-Reply-To: <7E8BF97E-2DD9-4CAF-BAF8-569064ECC2AA@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20070104000522.37614.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm going to chime in here regarding the tapes and jigs. Here is my list of most desireable tapes #1 15kHz Azimuth Tape (DA09004) #2 1kHz Track Alignment tape (DA09007) #3 3kHz Speed/Wow & Flutter tape (DA09006) #4 400 Hz @ 0dB Level tape (DA09005) jigs #5 The jig for getting the pinch roller height correct, not sure of the name or number, but, this would be needed to realign the pinch rollers after removing them to clean out REALLY stuck pivot joints. #6 EH Stroke Check Gauge M-9042/M-9051 (This jig is also used to align the tape guides which is critical on pad lifter decks.) The tilt jigs are at the bottom of my list because they don't need adjusting unless the head is replaced or it was seriously messed with. --- "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: > > One of my missions is to track down unused Nakamichi alignment > > tapes and > > jigs through my peer contacts in the repair business. I am sure I > > > can get > > one set. Kermit was the first to express interest. I will try to > > > locate an > > M-300 for you. The #1 alignment for pad lifter naks is the supply > > > and take > > up guide heights. You can fake your way through the rest of the > > adjustments. > > > > tom brucker > > I would think that of the tapes, the track alignment tape would be > > the most desirable to get as we > haven't found a way yet to even fake that tape (OK, you can adjust > > for maximum on a more "normal" > tape, but I assume there's a good reason Nak decided to go through > > the extra effort > to do it the way they do). > > Of the jigs, it would seem the tilt gauge is the most desirable > there, IMHO. > > My interest is the classic decks.-kby > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geospa at hotmail.com Thu Jan 4 05:19:08 2007 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:19:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: thanks Bala, Mikkel, Graham, Martin, Derrick for the responses. opened up the LX-3 and was able to slow it down a bit and match a store bought cassette with the matching store bought cd. success!.....for the moment. Apparently i was the first to tweak the motor as the nak sticker was still covering the back of the motor. thanks again to everybody and happy new year! rich >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of geo spa >Sent: 29 December 2006 23:13 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! > > >Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i >noticed >it plays slightly fast. >other than that, she picked a nice one. > >Question for all > >should i.... > >1. tweek the motor by ear (or is this is no no) so i can play with it >awhile >until it's out of her mind. >2. Send it off to the experts and have to explain why her gift has "gone >away". > >thanks and happy new year to all of you. > >rich >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 06:30:46 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:30:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <818874.65847.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> you are most welcome Rich. Anyone enjoying fine music is good news for me. Bala geo spa wrote: thanks Bala, Mikkel, Graham, Martin, Derrick for the responses. opened up the LX-3 and was able to slow it down a bit and match a store bought cassette with the matching store bought cd. success!.....for the moment. Apparently i was the first to tweak the motor as the nak sticker was still covering the back of the motor. thanks again to everybody and happy new year! rich >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of geo spa >Sent: 29 December 2006 23:13 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Santa brought me a nak that plays too fast! > > >Actually it was my girlfriend, she bought me an LX-3 for x-mas but i >noticed >it plays slightly fast. >other than that, she picked a nice one. > >Question for all > >should i.... > >1. tweek the motor by ear (or is this is no no) so i can play with it >awhile >until it's out of her mind. >2. Send it off to the experts and have to explain why her gift has "gone >away". > >thanks and happy new year to all of you. > >rich >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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The transport does fast forward and reverse just fine but with play in either direction, the transport is not lifting the heads or capstans more than about half way to make contact. A slight squeak is heard with either up or down movement. Just need some cleaning lubrication or is it in need of big-time repair? I don't want to pay a ton for something that requires a real big buck to repair. Any thoughts? I really cannot open it up to look unless I buy it. Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 13:14:31 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:14:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <005c01c72ff9$e43af620$6401a8c0@main> I'm not user how much it would be worth risking. Even if I could change the belt it does not mean that the unit does even record or play. Probably ok but no way to know. I have a zx7, a CR7A and a 682 ZX now that all could use some work and I doubt I want to add yet another "needs work" deck to the collection. It seems at least based on information from a repair guy I ran into on the internet it costs close to $1000 to $2000 to bring any of these up to snuff. I tried to do a new post on them with some general questions but the site seems down or something. Here is what I was trying to post: Sorry for asking stupid questions, but I just joined the list. Here is some info I would like with some background. I have a CR7A, a 682ZX and a ZX7. I checked into repair/refurb and got prices even my 401K won't cover. The CR7A seems pretty good and all functions seem to work but can be sluggish with opening the door and sometimes some slipping. Also the azmuth knob seems to not respond uniformly. IT shows zero near the center but if moved in either direction tends to bounce back to the 0 point so I'm not sure it is doing anything. The ZX7 won't engage the transport - no activity when pressing play and the 682ZX seems reluctant to achieve auto azmith and gives me a -30 DB playback on 15 kcps test tone, not -20 despite showing near 0 db in both tape and source in recording the tone. I bought it used but did have new pinch rollers, belts and tape guides replaced around that timeframe. All three decks have probably about 800 to 1000 hours of play-record time but have been unused for a couple of years. My main interest for bringing one up to decent performance is for playback of all the old tapes I have made. I now use DAT (herecy) for most recording but have many old home recorded metal tapes, some using Hi Com (still have my 2 hicom units). The questions are as follows 1) were I to spend the bucks, which deck is most worth refurbishing? Should it really cost $1000 to $2000 to refurbish a deck? Seems high. Seems that the CR7A is the easiest to use but the 682ZX sure looks like a great deck. All 3 could use a good cleaning I am sure. 2) Are there any fixes that I should attempt. I am not an electronics tech but can tinker. Built a heck of a bunch of heathkits and am not bad mechanically either. Limited test equipment other than a fluke meter for voltage, amps etc. 3) I doubt any have had a decent demagnitization. I do have a BIG hand held tape eraser capable of erasure of metal and dat tapes. Might bringing it near the head area and slowly moving it away do harm or good? I did have an old head demagnitizer if I could find it. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pawel at bartuzi.org Thu Jan 4 13:54:35 2007 From: pawel at bartuzi.org (Pawel Bartuzi) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:54:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 controls cover plastic latches In-Reply-To: <002201c72e3d$2429f240$0501a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <002201c72e3d$2429f240$0501a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <459CF90B.3020401@bartuzi.org> Hi, Thanks for the advice. I didn't try to "suplement" the plastic with other materials, it might work. The problem with simple glueing is the element has to click into place - it means it gets stretched a little and that's why my previous attempts at glueing it have failed. If nobody comes out with some parts Nak that could donor its elements I will definitely try your advice. -- Best regards, Pawel soumitra at soumitrab.com napisał(a): > Hi Pawel > Plastics are a bit of a pain to fix together .. > What you can try is to get hold of a fine piece of cotton cloth .... the > wave and thread should be fine. > Cut it into a thin strip (as wide as the plastic to be stuck) so that you an > wrap it around or over the plastic > Ensure that the cloth does not cause any jam in the movement of the hinges > ... maybe using it on the top or bottom will be a better option. > Then, using some cyanoacrylate adhesive (like superglue etc) ensure you make > the cloth stick over the 2 pieces of plastic. Once dry, they will hold > together very well. > I have stuck many plastic stuff like this which even take a lot of tension > everyday (locks/latches etc) > > Best > Soumi > From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 4 14:21:48 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 8:21:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: <2519242.1167916908329.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> Bill, that is a common problem and all that is required is a drop of oil on the shaft for the cam. I wish I could remember where I saw the Nakamichi Service Bulletin (most likely from a kind person here) but it shows the exploded view and exactly where to place a drop of machine oil. Fear not, my Dragon has the same squeak but I've not used it in months so my mind isn't wrapped into taking the cover off just yet. Peace, Roland ---- Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I ran into a dragon for sale. Went to test it to make sure it worked. The transport does fast forward and reverse just fine but with play in either direction, the transport is not lifting the heads or capstans more than about half way to make contact. A slight squeak is heard with either up or down movement. Just need some cleaning lubrication or is it in need of big-time repair? I don't want to pay a ton for something that requires a real big buck to repair. Any thoughts? I really cannot open it up to look unless I buy it. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 4 15:40:36 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:40:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <005c01c72ff9$e43af620$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070104084036.0084be90@earthlink.net> Bill, The Dragon's solutions have been adressed. if the ESL prices are too high I'd be happy to offer an alternative. ESL is analogous to having the deck rebuilt from the ground up...they have the last remaining factory parts. I repair the problems, can do full alignment, but I have to rely on generic belts, and could run into parts problems in some instances. On your 3 decks, the CR7 is the easiest to repair, however the ZX7 is the top performer. I do not anticipate any road blocks to repair on any deck. The 682 obviously was not properly aligned, and since it has all new rubber, it ought to be a gem once it is aligned. My contact email will change soon to hitech at bellsouth.net. tom brucker At 07:14 AM 1/4/07 -0500, Bill Shenefelt wrote: >>>> I'm not user how much it would be worth risking. Even if I could change the belt it does not mean that the unit does even record or play. Probably ok but no way to know. I have a zx7, a CR7A and a 682 ZX now that all could use some work and I doubt I want to add yet another "needs work" deck to the collection. It seems at least based on information from a repair guy I ran into on the internet it costs close to $1000 to $2000 to bring any of these up to snuff. I tried to do a new post on them with some general questions but the site seems down or something. Here is what I was trying to post: Sorry for asking stupid questions, but I just joined the list. Here is some info I would like with some background. I have a CR7A, a 682ZX and a ZX7. I checked into repair/refurb and got prices even my 401K won't cover. The CR7A seems pretty good and all functions seem to work but can be sluggish with opening the door and sometimes some slipping. Also the azmuth knob seems to not respond uniformly. IT shows zero near the center but if moved in either direction tends to bounce back to the 0 point so I'm not sure it is doing anything. The ZX7 won't engage the transport - no activity when pressing play and the 682ZX seems reluctant to achieve auto azmith and gives me a -30 DB playback on 15 kcps test tone, not -20 despite showing near 0 db in both tape and source in recording the tone. I bought it used but did have new pinch rollers, belts and tape guides replaced around that timeframe. All three decks have probably about 800 to 1000 hours of play-record time but have been unused for a couple of years. My main interest for bringing one up to decent performance is for playback of all the old tapes I have made. I now use DAT (herecy) for most recording but have many old home recorded metal tapes, some using Hi Com (still have my 2 hicom units). The questions are as follows 1) were I to spend the bucks, which deck is most worth refurbishing? Should it really cost $1000 to $2000 to refurbish a deck? Seems high. Seems that the CR7A is the easiest to use but the 682ZX sure looks like a great deck. All 3 could use a good cleaning I am sure. 2) Are there any fixes that I should attempt. I am not an electronics tech but can tinker. Built a heck of a bunch of heathkits and am not bad mechanically either. Limited test equipment other than a fluke meter for voltage, amps etc. 3) I doubt any have had a decent demagnitization. I do have a BIG hand held tape eraser capable of erasure of metal and dat tapes. Might bringing it near the head area and slowly moving it away do harm or good? I did have an old head demagnitizer if I could find it. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Thu Jan 4 17:32:54 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:32:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. Message-ID: We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks, so now I am considering the purchase of a Tascam * channel 10 & 1/2" Reel to Reel machine.The deck is very heavey, but is supposed to be in excellnet condition, except for one channel that will not pass a signal. Besides trying out all the functions (F.F, REV, Play) and checking if it records from a source and plays back thru powered speakers, and also checking the condition of the heads, is there anything else I should check for? It has an issue where one of the eight channels is not passing a signal. The owner syas that it may be an oxidized contact . I am concerned that the one channel may need repair. Is this something that should prevent me from getting this unit, or is the repair, if necessary, realitic in terms of cost and fesability? Heres a pic of the unit. I may be buying it Saturday. thanks for your help. http://b.im.craigslist.org/p5/DU/gVV5VxyjOnOfEHPfbFJBaJajLTqr.jpg -- From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 4 18:44:56 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:44:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <005c01c72ff9$e43af620$6401a8c0@main> References: <005c01c72ff9$e43af620$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <459D3D18.3050307@peromarta.org> Hi Bill, I believe you can do a lot yourself, after properly cleaning a demag. you could do with a little calibration on all three decks: http://peromarta.org/main/naks.html and specifically here: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_faq.html That's a draft I put together, far from complete, but can get you going. Regarding the demagnetizer, you need a proper one. This one is regarded as one of the very best: http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html You should try this too for your noise and failing to engage some modes (from Scott's site): http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_NR-0040.gif Good luck, and best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt escribió: > > The questions are as follows > 1) were I to spend the bucks, which deck is most worth refurbishing? > Should it really cost $1000 to $2000 to refurbish a deck? Seems high. > Seems that the CR7A is the easiest to use but the 682ZX sure looks like > a great deck. All 3 could use a good cleaning I am sure. > 2) Are there any fixes that I should attempt. I am not an electronics > tech but can tinker. Built a heck of a bunch of heathkits and am not > bad mechanically either. Limited test equipment other than a fluke > meter for voltage, amps etc. > 3) I doubt any have had a decent demagnitization. I do have a BIG hand > held tape eraser capable of erasure of metal and dat tapes. Might > bringing it near the head area and slowly moving it away do harm or good? > I did have an old head demagnitizer if I could find it. > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 18:54:23 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:54:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <109397.10682.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, really? Nakamichi or as it was called in the beginning, Nakamichi Research, was founded by Etsuro Nakamichi in 1948. Esturo was an acoustic engineering officer in the Navy doing sonar research. After the war he started Nakamichi Research doing research and development in electromagnetism, magnetic recording, acoustics and communications. The company initially designed and developed portable radios, tone arms, speakers and communications equipment. Within 3-years an open-reel tape recorder was introduced under the FIDELA brand name. This tape recorder used proprietary technology developed by Nakamichi Research and it won critical acclaim for it's high level of performance at the time. Nakamichi manufactured open-reel tape recorders for major brand name companies, but, not in their own name. SJ --- jerryjg wrote: > We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks, > so now I > am considering the purchase of a Tascam * channel 10 & 1/2" Reel to > Reel > machine.The deck is very heavey, but is supposed to be in excellnet > > condition, except for one channel that will not pass a signal. > Besides > trying out all the functions (F.F, REV, Play) and checking if it > records > from a source and plays back thru powered speakers, and also > checking the > condition of the heads, is there anything else I should check for? > It has > an issue where one of the eight channels is not passing a signal. > The > owner syas that it may be an oxidized contact . I am concerned that > the > one channel may need repair. Is this something that should prevent > me from > getting this unit, or is the repair, if necessary, realitic in > terms of > cost and fesability? Heres a pic of the unit. I may be buying it > Saturday. > thanks for your help. > http://b.im.craigslist.org/p5/DU/gVV5VxyjOnOfEHPfbFJBaJajLTqr.jpg > > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tansuntjay at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 18:54:24 2007 From: tansuntjay at gmail.com (Tan Sun Tjay) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:54:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007401c73029$69d3a960$0501a8c0@D4LXC55> Hi All, I would disagree with Jerry, Nakamichi did make some reel 2 reel models before they made cassette decks, you could check the link below for Nakamichi/Fidela reel 2 reel photos. http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/home/index.html and click the top left link Thank you, Iskandar Winata -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jerryjg Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks, so now I am considering the purchase of a Tascam * channel 10 & 1/2" Reel to Reel machine.The deck is very heavey, but is supposed to be in excellnet condition, except for one channel that will not pass a signal. Besides trying out all the functions (F.F, REV, Play) and checking if it records from a source and plays back thru powered speakers, and also checking the condition of the heads, is there anything else I should check for? It has an issue where one of the eight channels is not passing a signal. The owner syas that it may be an oxidized contact . I am concerned that the one channel may need repair. Is this something that should prevent me from getting this unit, or is the repair, if necessary, realitic in terms of cost and fesability? Heres a pic of the unit. I may be buying it Saturday. thanks for your help. http://b.im.craigslist.org/p5/DU/gVV5VxyjOnOfEHPfbFJBaJajLTqr.jpg -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From coleco at wanadoo.nl Thu Jan 4 19:53:14 2007 From: coleco at wanadoo.nl (Fred) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:53:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Beste vrienden, familie en bekenden, Message-ID: Ik gebruik een spamfilter en u waarschijnlijk ook. Ik heb u op de witte lijst gezet en dat betekent dat ik alle e-mail die u mij toezendt ontvangen zal. U zou mij een groot plezier doen als u mij op de witte lijst zet van uw spamfilter. Als u nog geen spamfilter heeft, kan ik u SPAMfighter aanbevelen. Het is een gratis spamfilter voor Outlook en Outlook Express. U kunt SPAMfighter hier verkrijgen: http://www.spamfighter.com/Pro Ik hoop dat u me op de witte lijst zet, zodat we elkaar in het vervolg veilig kunnen mailen. Vriendelijke groeten Fred From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Jan 4 21:28:14 2007 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:28:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. Message-ID: <001a01c7303e$dd2c6bd0$8ed81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Jerry, "We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks.." Not so!! as I understand it they never sold any RTR's under 'Nakamichi' brand name but they did make and sell their own decks on the domestic market. The first was in 1951 a portable with the brand name "Magic tone", then again in 1964 with their 'Fidelia" brand. Nakamichi 'tolled' a number of cassette and RTR decks for a number of OEM's such as HK, KLH, Fisher, etc, even Ampex reportedly. I would recommend anyone to read a copy of "A Historical Overview of Nakamichi Products", (Nakamichi Chronicle), which is a potted history of the Nakamichi Corporation up until about 1990 or there abouts. I have a couple of copies but they are packed, and once settled in Sydney, will scan and send out in about 3 months or so, if there is any interest. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 4 21:31:02 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:31:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. Message-ID: <21602723.1167942662657.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> There is interest for the history book!!! ---- Martin Short wrote: > Jerry, > > "We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks.." > > Not so!! as I understand it they never sold any RTR's under 'Nakamichi' brand name but they did make and sell their own decks on the domestic market. > The first was in 1951 a portable with the brand name "Magic tone", then again in 1964 with their 'Fidelia" brand. > Nakamichi 'tolled' a number of cassette and RTR decks for a number of OEM's such as HK, KLH, Fisher, etc, even Ampex reportedly. > > I would recommend anyone to read a copy of "A Historical Overview of Nakamichi Products", (Nakamichi Chronicle), which is a potted history of the Nakamichi Corporation up until about 1990 or there abouts. I have a couple of copies but they are packed, and once settled in Sydney, will scan and send out in about 3 months or so, if there is any interest. > > cheers, > > Martin From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jan 5 14:53:17 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:53:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. In-Reply-To: <109397.10682.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <109397.10682.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459E584D.1020409@snet.net> Don't forget about the (in)famous KLH open reel... also the first consumer tape deck to incorporate Dolby B noise reduction. Yes, made by Nakamichi. Scott Johnson wrote: >Oh, really? > >Nakamichi or as it was called in the beginning, Nakamichi Research, >was founded by Etsuro Nakamichi in 1948. Esturo was an acoustic >engineering officer in the Navy doing sonar research. After the war >he started Nakamichi Research doing research and development in >electromagnetism, magnetic recording, acoustics and communications. >The company initially designed and developed portable radios, tone >arms, speakers and communications equipment. Within 3-years an >open-reel tape recorder was introduced under the FIDELA brand name. >This tape recorder used proprietary technology developed by Nakamichi >Research and it won critical acclaim for it's high level of >performance at the time. Nakamichi manufactured open-reel tape >recorders for major brand name companies, but, not in their own name. > > >SJ >--- jerryjg wrote: > > > >>We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks, >>so now I >>am considering the purchase of a Tascam * channel 10 & 1/2" Reel to >>Reel >>machine.The deck is very heavey, but is supposed to be in excellnet >> >>condition, except for one channel that will not pass a signal. >>Besides >>trying out all the functions (F.F, REV, Play) and checking if it >>records >> from a source and plays back thru powered speakers, and also >>checking the >>condition of the heads, is there anything else I should check for? >>It has >>an issue where one of the eight channels is not passing a signal. >>The >>owner syas that it may be an oxidized contact . I am concerned that >>the >>one channel may need repair. Is this something that should prevent >>me from >>getting this unit, or is the repair, if necessary, realitic in >>terms of >>cost and fesability? Heres a pic of the unit. I may be buying it >>Saturday. >>thanks for your help. >>http://b.im.craigslist.org/p5/DU/gVV5VxyjOnOfEHPfbFJBaJajLTqr.jpg >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 16:02:03 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:02:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Buying a Tascam 8 Track 10& 1/2 " R2R-Need advice. In-Reply-To: <001a01c7303e$dd2c6bd0$8ed81bca@apac.ad.ici.com> Message-ID: <34309.12372.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, I would certainly love that! It would be great! Bala Martin Short wrote: Jerry, "We all know that Nakamichi never made any reel 2 reel tape decks.." Not so!! as I understand it they never sold any RTR's under 'Nakamichi' brand name but they did make and sell their own decks on the domestic market. The first was in 1951 a portable with the brand name "Magic tone", then again in 1964 with their 'Fidelia" brand. Nakamichi 'tolled' a number of cassette and RTR decks for a number of OEM's such as HK, KLH, Fisher, etc, even Ampex reportedly. I would recommend anyone to read a copy of "A Historical Overview of Nakamichi Products", (Nakamichi Chronicle), which is a potted history of the Nakamichi Corporation up until about 1990 or there abouts. I have a couple of copies but they are packed, and once settled in Sydney, will scan and send out in about 3 months or so, if there is any interest. cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 16:16:58 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:16:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 versus CR7A In-Reply-To: <001501c731a2$b74fed00$6401a8c0@main> References: <001501c731a2$b74fed00$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <518b7b10701060716s7883a043h77cca8fe696b050d@mail.gmail.com> Having gone through this several dozens of times on the list, here we are again: the"A" is the US version for 110V power, the "E" is the european version for 220V and the ones without the letter usually have switchable power input. Other than that, there is absolutely no difference whatsoever. Oh, and the japanese market version is called CR-70 - still no difference from any of the others. George 1/6/07, Bill Shenefelt wrote: > > Is there a significant difference between the 7 and 7A. I have a 7A, a > 682ZX and a ZX7 > > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 6 16:17:20 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:17:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 versus CR7A In-Reply-To: <001501c731a2$b74fed00$6401a8c0@main> References: <001501c731a2$b74fed00$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <459FBD80.4040200@rcn.com> The A version is intended for the US market and uses 120VAC line voltage, non selectable. The only differences are in the power transformer, line voltage selection and line fuse. -- Ron Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Is there a significant difference between the 7 and 7A. I have a 7A, a > 682ZX and a ZX7 > > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com Sun Jan 7 06:44:14 2007 From: vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com (chicago economist) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:44:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] newbie poster (1st time) In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110701022007j9304ec5t823f208154190b7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <849850.96054.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i have CR7a's ST7 SR3 LOTS of mobile stuff (TD560, TD122II) NEW tapes Misc cables mobile crossovers 2 signs and some other items ALL nak AND i have NEW sony Super Metal Master Tapes Tim Skorick wrote: Audiogon and eBay are pretty much where I buy most of my used Naks. I actually don't know what the dominant opinion is of people selling Naks via this list -- I wouldn't mind getting a first crack at a Nak here, especially if it was owned and cared for by someone whose ability I had some measure of respect for. Anyone? -Tim On 1/2/07, chicago economist wrote: i don't want to violate protocol, but if i have some stuff to sell, where should i post? P.S. great site! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com Sun Jan 7 06:44:38 2007 From: vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com (chicago economist) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:44:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] newbie poster (1st time) In-Reply-To: <0fd701c72eef$ad0d4d20$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Message-ID: <20070107054439.27364.qmail@web42110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i have CR7a's ST7 SR3 LOTS of mobile stuff (TD560, TD122II) NEW tapes Misc cables mobile crossovers 2 signs and some other items ALL nak AND i have NEW sony Super Metal Master Tapes Dennis Orr wrote: Selling them here first works for me ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com Sun Jan 7 06:59:52 2007 From: vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com (chicago economist) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:59:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] newbie poster (1st time) In-Reply-To: <327368.72037.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427357.89088.qm@web42106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have LOTS of Nak Stuff for sale. My wife says i need to make some room. In summary (for nak equipment); used CR7a used CR7a used SR3 used Speaker Selector new 3 way passive crossovers (vintage/original Nak company) used DNR100 used PMA300II used TD1200II (rebuilt by nak and never reused) used TD560 (w remote) new (in box) mobile D/A converter NEW Nakamichi tapes New Power Port chassis (not unit) LOTS Misc Literature Misc cable Sign 'Nakamichi Mobile Sound' (no lights) Sign 'Nakamichi Power Port Systems' (w lights) New RM remote (in box) used OMS5AII used ST7 tuner used Clock radio used mobile 250 player (in box) 36 NEW Sony Super Metal Master Tapes chicago economist wrote: i don't want to violate protocol, but if i have some stuff to sell, where should i post? P.S. great site! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From henway at cox.net Sun Jan 7 17:11:59 2007 From: henway at cox.net (Henway) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:11:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal Master tapes for sale on eBay Message-ID: Item#110076324225 From vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com Mon Jan 8 03:20:50 2007 From: vintagenakamichi at yahoo.com (chicago economist) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal Master tapes for sale on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <555145.93837.qm@web42107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> interesting, but not the Super Metal Master, thanks for the heads up though. Henway wrote: Item#110076324225 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 8 06:53:59 2007 From: glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk (Alex Wong) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 05:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Capstan belt for Cassette Deck 1.5 Message-ID: <20070108055359.25935.qmail@web25514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, i believe some of you have encounter perished belt drives in your transport system. Has anyone tried to substitute the original belts with some other belts or even rubber bands?? Any suggestion how to be less dependent on this rubber belts which would eventually not be manufactured anymore and use readily available belts / bands ?? Thanks for suggestions. Alex Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jan 8 08:36:40 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 23:36:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal Master tapes for sale on eBay Message-ID: <4F2AC8E6-A0EE-4978-A1AA-C4717F6F9091@alumni.caltech.edu> Although I thought the SMMs and the MMs are the same thing except for the Mg case. At least that's what I've heard as from the description the shells are the same white ceramic, and what I'd particularly read before was the tape was at least the same (OK, the shells probably don't say "Super Metal Master" on them).-kby From bg56322 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 06:03:18 2007 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 cassette well light replacement Message-ID: <20070109050318.16680.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> The light in cassette well on my RX-505 has died. What is the right repacement bulb ? (model, voltage and power rating ) If unavailable, can I safely run an array of LEDs instead ? TIA, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:55:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 Message-ID: I was hoping someone would chime in that is more likely to know more, but since no one has, I'll open my mouth. I need to look up which one it actually is, but I am guessing this is the one for the oscillator card. I've never seen an actual example or diagram for one, but I have a pretty good idea what it must have from reading the instructions for using it, plus my minimal schematic reading skills. I believe electrically all it does is route +12 (derived from an incoming pin) to three other pins depending on the position of a rotary switch; the three pins are the ones that tell turn on the oscillator circuits for 400, 7.2kHz, and 15kHz respectively. You can probably fake the electrical aspects with jumpers. The mechanical aspect of extending the card out of the chassis, while convenient and safer, can probably also be done without in a pinch. It'd be better if someone who's actually used the card would comment...-kby From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jan 10 15:51:11 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:51:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 References: Message-ID: <000801c734c6$c5db6fd0$99d017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> If memory serves me right I think the schematics for it are in the 1000ZXL service manual.(I will look whether my manual has it or whether it is a loose leaf in the manual I have.If I dont confirm in the next 2 days(I have to dig the manual out) you will know that I have not found it) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimo B. Yap" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 > I was hoping someone would chime in that is more likely to know more, > but since no one has, I'll open > my mouth. I need to look up which one it actually is, but I am > guessing this is the one for the oscillator > card. I've never seen an actual example or diagram for one, but I > have a pretty good idea what it must have > from reading the instructions for using it, plus my minimal schematic > reading skills. I believe electrically all it > does is route +12 (derived from an incoming pin) to three other pins > depending on the position of a rotary > switch; the three pins are the ones that tell turn on the oscillator > circuits for 400, 7.2kHz, and 15kHz respectively. > > You can probably fake the electrical aspects with jumpers. The > mechanical aspect of extending the card out of > the chassis, while convenient and safer, can probably also be done > without in a pinch. > > It'd be better if someone who's actually used the card would > comment...-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kmashlan at shaw.ca Wed Jan 10 17:02:28 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:02:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 In-Reply-To: <000801c734c6$c5db6fd0$99d017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Message-ID: <000001c734d0$ba5eb7c0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Page 13 of the 1000ZXL service manual has the schematics for the test unit. Not sure if it is the same as the 700, but it is a start. You can download the manual from www.naks.mine.nu, or I have it on my server as well. http://tech.extendsyscorp.net/1000zxl.zip which is the full manual at 30MB, or there is http://tech.extendsyscorp.net/1000zxla.zip which is the first half (10MB) which has everything (including the test unit) but not the schematic diagrams. 1000zxlb.zip has the schematics and is the remaining 20MB. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of WMEDrewes Sent: January 10, 2007 6:51 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 If memory serves me right I think the schematics for it are in the 1000ZXL service manual.(I will look whether my manual has it or whether it is a loose leaf in the manual I have.If I dont confirm in the next 2 days(I have to dig the manual out) you will know that I have not found it) Walter From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jan 10 19:40:07 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:40:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 References: <000801c734c6$c5db6fd0$99d017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Message-ID: <000601c734e6$c1bdeac0$e8d217c4@home> OOPS,sorry old age seems to be the cause! I researched my SM for 1000ZXL and could not find the M9060 listed .I only found that the manual contained the M5057 Test unit schematics ,which was what my fuzzy brain remembered.I apologize for wasting everybody's time as you were looking for the unit for the 700ZXL.All this however, led me to establish that the SM for my 700ZXE is missing! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "WMEDrewes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 > If memory serves me right I think the schematics for it are in the 1000ZXL > service manual.(I will look whether my manual has it or whether it is a > loose leaf in the manual I have.If I dont confirm in the next 2 days(I > have > to dig the manual out) you will know that I have not found it) > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:55 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 > > >> I was hoping someone would chime in that is more likely to know more, >> but since no one has, I'll open >> my mouth. I need to look up which one it actually is, but I am >> guessing this is the one for the oscillator >> card. I've never seen an actual example or diagram for one, but I >> have a pretty good idea what it must have >> from reading the instructions for using it, plus my minimal schematic >> reading skills. I believe electrically all it >> does is route +12 (derived from an incoming pin) to three other pins >> depending on the position of a rotary >> switch; the three pins are the ones that tell turn on the oscillator >> circuits for 400, 7.2kHz, and 15kHz respectively. >> >> You can probably fake the electrical aspects with jumpers. The >> mechanical aspect of extending the card out of >> the chassis, while convenient and safer, can probably also be done >> without in a pinch. >> >> It'd be better if someone who's actually used the card would >> comment...-kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kenkirk at gte.net Wed Jan 10 20:03:07 2007 From: kenkirk at gte.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:03:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 trouble Message-ID: <45A5386B.6080101@gte.net> Well my brothers MR-1 has "gone crazy" as he puts it. He says: "When I turn it on, it starts automatically jumping from play to record to pause and them repeating- like it is caught in some loop." Any ideas? I serviced this deck a year ago and it was in good shape, but did not replace any rubber. Ken From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jan 10 20:27:34 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:27:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL extension card M-9060 Message-ID: <76BD53EB-F4EB-4D34-93F2-4CF0FC619509@alumni.caltech.edu> Assuming it is the oscillator card that's being tested (I do have both SMs but need to dig them out), it's completely different from anything the 1000zxl uses (much simpler). The 1000zxl is much more complicated in this area.-kby From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Jan 11 12:36:13 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:06:13 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 trouble Message-ID: <003001c73574$c199a960$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi I think its a Cam problem ... im not sure how it is with the MR1 but with my MR2 i got that problem for a while after i had lubricated a couple of bearings and motors etc. It settled along fine later though. Best Soumi From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Jan 11 12:39:14 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:39:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What to decide Message-ID: <000601c73575$1f3521d0$6701a8c0@main> I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jan 11 13:40:40 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:40:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 trouble In-Reply-To: <45A5386B.6080101@gte.net> References: <45A5386B.6080101@gte.net> Message-ID: <45A63048.7020703@snet.net> Try cleaning the contacts on the transport mode cam. Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Well my brothers MR-1 has "gone crazy" as he puts it. > > He says: "When I turn it on, it > starts automatically jumping from play to record to pause and them > repeating- like it is caught in some loop." > > Any ideas? I serviced this deck a year ago and it was in good shape, > but did not replace any rubber. > > Ken > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 11 15:38:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:38:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What to decide In-Reply-To: <000601c73575$1f3521d0$6701a8c0@main> References: <000601c73575$1f3521d0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45A64BD0.7050208@rcn.com> Bill, Since this is just for a hobby, the decision to get or not to get a Dragon is be highly personal. Sonically, the dragon is of the same caliber as the CR-7, though slightly warmer sounding (for that reason, I prefer the CR-7). Operationally, it auto reverses, which may be an advantage for you (it wasn't for me). The Dragon transport is said to be more reliable than the CR-7 (though I am not sure this is true and, in any case, I service my deck myself, so it's a don't care for me). Finally - the Dragon is more expensive. Since all I wanted was a single deck to update my old 582 and for all the above reasons, I chose a CR-7. You may very well decide to get a Dragon for the exact same reasons. Like I said, it's highly personal. Good luck, -- Ron Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, > just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over > by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally > fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that > I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership > thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection > of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, > almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, > some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do > any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I > thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. > Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in > any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing > there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any > opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just > more bells and whistles. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 16:07:54 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:07:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What to decide Message-ID: Dear Bill, As an a extremely happy "Dragon" owner, be 100% sure that your ample cassettes collection, will sound much better with a Dragon...of course I'm trying to say you...AN A EXCELLENT PRESERVED ONE...NOT a CRAP!!!. Which today trough eBay really it's impossible, to obtain one really extremely well maintained! Whatever good luck! Peace, Alex Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:39:14 -0500From: william.shenefelt at verizon.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] What to decide I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jan 11 16:46:40 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:46:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] What to decide In-Reply-To: <000601c73575$1f3521d0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <587283.57872.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill: I have thousands of pre-recorded commerical cassettes and I use most of my decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) mainly for playback purposes. Occassionally I will make some tapes from CD and Reel-to-Reel sources. In my opinion, listening to all these pre-recorded commerical tapes nothing will do better than the DRAGONs that I have. The other choices should belong to the NAK 700/1000ZXL and the MARANTZ unit that also use some kind of NAAC mechanism. If you playback a tape recorded in a NAK, I am very surprised in what I heard from the playback of the NAK 660/670ZX series of decks. I think the 680 series have the same heads/transport design. For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Hope this help. Best Regards, Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu Jan 11 17:44:22 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:44:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt Message-ID: <45A66966.8040307@caribsurf.com> Chris, I received the capstan belt for the BX300 today. It measures 8.5cm. The one that came off measured 10.5cm but one would need to allow for stretching. I have a feeling that the one that Dean sent me was also 8.5cms and I sent that back to him as it looked too small (Dean can you confirm the measurement?) It is odd that you have been supplied with this belt for the BX300, and that Dean should send me a belt of similar size.....is my BX300 odd? The one that the service manual calls for is OC80634A Perhaps one of the Naks can comment on the belt size? Regards Paul C From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 18:03:17 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:03:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <45A66966.8040307@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <469547.49810.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul BX300 is a Direct Drive machine - require longer belt than CR3 type 3 heads ( Cassette Deck 1/ DR1 etc) Secondly Nakamichi original belts perform correctly and other belts of the same size may not perform probably due to the belt charecteristics - like how much they strech for a small force. Original nak belts are also wider than any generic belts. try contacting Nak spare parts for availability Kannan Paul Carrington wrote: Chris, I received the capstan belt for the BX300 today. It measures 8.5cm. The one that came off measured 10.5cm but one would need to allow for stretching. I have a feeling that the one that Dean sent me was also 8.5cms and I sent that back to him as it looked too small (Dean can you confirm the measurement?) It is odd that you have been supplied with this belt for the BX300, and that Dean should send me a belt of similar size.....is my BX300 odd? The one that the service manual calls for is OC80634A Perhaps one of the Naks can comment on the belt size? Regards Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 18:20:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:20:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] What to decide In-Reply-To: <587283.57872.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <982617.62435.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi From my experience with Dragons - many I have seen in my last four to five years in varying conditions- I would say positive things about Dragon including its recording ability. Its NAAC is surely a factor in replaying tapes fro many sources for its great playback sound. However a well tuned Dragon can record as good as any other Nak. If you think about ease of calibration of varying number of tape formulation, CR7 beats Dragon. CR7 is little more neutral probably due to its FET switches on its replay amplifiers since the circuit is exactly same as Dragon excepting the muting switches. Dragon is more expensive die to its Double Direct Motors unlike CR7 whose transport is definitely a weakness and it is a single Direct drive with the other drive is belt driven. Dragon has manual calibration of Record bias and level unlike CR7 ' automatic calibration facility. So the calibration may not be very accurate unless you use an external widebandwidth VTVM or DMM to calibrate. This could be a reason for people assessing Dragon to be inferior to CR7 in recording! Kannan LENA WONG wrote: Bill: I have thousands of pre-recorded commerical cassettes and I use most of my decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) mainly for playback purposes. Occassionally I will make some tapes from CD and Reel-to-Reel sources. In my opinion, listening to all these pre-recorded commerical tapes nothing will do better than the DRAGONs that I have. The other choices should belong to the NAK 700/1000ZXL and the MARANTZ unit that also use some kind of NAAC mechanism. If you playback a tape recorded in a NAK, I am very surprised in what I heard from the playback of the NAK 660/670ZX series of decks. I think the 680 series have the same heads/transport design. For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Hope this help. Best Regards, Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 11 20:21:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:21:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <45A66966.8040307@caribsurf.com> References: <45A66966.8040307@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <45A68E2F.9070807@rcn.com> I was looking for the same belt (OC80634) but was under the impression that Dean didn't have it. Dean, can you now supply this belt? -- Ron Aaul Carrington wrote: > Chris, > I received the capstan belt for the BX300 today. It measures 8.5cm. > The one that came off measured 10.5cm but one would need to allow for > stretching. > I have a feeling that the one that Dean sent me was also 8.5cms and I > sent that back to him as it looked too small (Dean can you confirm > the measurement?) > It is odd that you have been supplied with this belt for the BX300, and > that Dean should send me a belt of similar size.....is my BX300 odd? > The one that the service manual calls for is OC80634A > > Perhaps one of the Naks can comment on the belt size? > > Regards > Paul C From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 11 23:53:17 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak BX300 belt In-Reply-To: <200701111724.l0BHMg6A008538@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070111225317.75476.qmail@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Paul I never measured the belt (bought on eBay) and I never assumed it was a genuine Nakamichi part. It does seem sensible to me that a brand new belt would be shorter than a belt that's seem (we assume) a few hundred hours of service. By all means send the belt back to me if it proves, either from your own tests or from the advice of fellow members to be unsuitable. Chris From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Jan 12 02:43:47 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:43:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak BX300 belt In-Reply-To: <20070111225317.75476.qmail@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20070111225317.75476.qmail@web27405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A6E7D3.9020104@caribsurf.com> Chris, I think it is too small but I am not sure.... the 2 cms is equal to 4cms in circumference. I would expect a max of 2cms but as I said it looks about the same size as the one Dean sent me some time ago and I returned to him as I felt it was too small.....Dean has promised to investigate his stock and let me know the size of the belt that he has for the 300. He has admitted that he sent me the wrong belt. I will keep you in the picture. Many thanks for sending it to me Kind regards Paul Chris Mann wrote: > Paul > > I never measured the belt (bought on eBay) and I never > assumed it was a genuine Nakamichi part. It does seem > sensible to me that a brand new belt would be shorter > than a belt that's seem (we assume) a few hundred > hours of service. > > By all means send the belt back to me if it proves, > either from your own tests or from the advice of > fellow members to be unsuitable. > > Chris > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From jamiep8 at msn.com Fri Jan 12 03:15:29 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:15:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Allsop In-Reply-To: <23082.40324.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've used the Allsop wet-type cleaning system in all my cassette decks with good results. It gets a lot of the gunk, but with my car deck, an Alpine 7525, I actually remove the deck from my dash (it's easy because it slips right out), and take it apart to thoroughy clean the pinch rollers and the perimeter of the head. You'd be amazed at how much gunk I remove this way, even after using the Allsop system, which I try to use every week since I play a LOT of tapes. The car is an EXTREMELY dirty environment, especially for a tape deck. Actually I own two Alpine 7525's, and have never had a problem with either of them. Tapes made on my Nak 480 sound awesome in my car deck. Cheers, Mike >From: Bob Naylor >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Allsop >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) > >I have used them in my car stereos. It seemed to continue to sound fine >but I substituted denatured alcohol since I didn't know what fluid was in >the alsop. I have used denatured alcohol for 40 years. > Bob > >Kevin LePape wrote: > Hello, > >I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak >decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in >my >car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop >cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > >Thanks and cheers, > >Kevin >Kelowna, BC >660xz & Dragon > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline1 From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 06:51:19 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:51:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What to decide Message-ID: Hello Mike, You wrote...For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Really I don't accept that! Sorry,ALEX! Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:46:40 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] What to decideTo: naktalk at naks.com Bill: I have thousands of pre-recorded commerical cassettes and I use most of my decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) mainly for playback purposes. Occassionally I will make some tapes from CD and Reel-to-Reel sources. In my opinion, listening to all these pre-recorded commerical tapes nothing will do better than the DRAGONs that I have. The other choices should belong to the NAK 700/1000ZXL and the MARANTZ unit that also use some kind of NAAC mechanism. If you playback a tape recorded in a NAK, I am very surprised in what I heard from the playback of the NAK 660/670ZX series of decks. I think the 680 series have the same heads/transport design. For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Hope this help. Best Regards,Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Jan 12 12:49:37 2007 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:49:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Allsop Cassette Cleaners Message-ID: <006401c7363f$bcecbee0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Greetings NakTalkers.... I also use the Allsop cleaning system in my auto decks. Convenient and thorough for regular clean-up. Additonally, every few weeks, I slip my mobile Nak TD-560 out of the dash, take it down to the basement workshop, and open up the top of the deck case to inspect, clean and demagg using standard bench maintenance accessories. I also utilize the DiscWasher brand D'MAG cassette with the mobile decks, in-dash perodically, with very good results. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/demaggfaq.html Regards, Bleus ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:15:29 -0600 From: "Michael Pisano" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Allsop To: naktalk at naks.com I've used the Allsop wet-type cleaning system in all my cassette decks with good results. It gets a lot of the gunk, but with my car deck, an Alpine 7525, I actually remove the deck from my dash (it's easy because it slips right out), and take it apart to thoroughy clean the pinch rollers and the perimeter of the head. You'd be amazed at how much gunk I remove this way, even after using the Allsop system, which I try to use every week since I play a LOT of tapes. The car is an EXTREMELY dirty environment, especially for a tape deck. Actually I own two Alpine 7525's, and have never had a problem with either of them. Tapes made on my Nak 480 sound awesome in my car deck. Cheers, Mike >From: Bob Naylor >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Allsop >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) > >I have used them in my car stereos. It seemed to continue to sound fine >but I substituted denatured alcohol since I didn't know what fluid was in >the alsop. I have used denatured alcohol for 40 years. > Bob > >Kevin LePape wrote: > Hello, > >I use the swabs with the American Recorder hexane stuff to clean my Nak >decks but it's just not possible to get at the heads and pinch rollers in >my >car deck this way. Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Allsop >cleaning cassette? And the Allsop fluid? > >Thanks and cheers, > >Kevin >Kelowna, BC > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Jan 12 15:00:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:00:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] What to decide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070112140009.15841.qmail@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex: I respect your opinion. Try a TEAC Z-6000 for example if you have a chance. You might be surprised with what you hear. Cheer, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hello Mike, You wrote...For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Really I don't accept that! Sorry, ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:46:40 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] What to decide To: naktalk at naks.com Bill: I have thousands of pre-recorded commerical cassettes and I use most of my decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) mainly for playback purposes. Occassionally I will make some tapes from CD and Reel-to-Reel sources. In my opinion, listening to all these pre-recorded commerical tapes nothing will do better than the DRAGONs that I have. The other choices should belong to the NAK 700/1000ZXL and the MARANTZ unit that also use some kind of NAAC mechanism. If you playback a tape recorded in a NAK, I am very surprised in what I heard from the playback of the NAK 660/670ZX series of decks. I think the 680 series have the same heads/transport design. For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Hope this help. Best Regards, Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. Ho-Ho-Ho! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 15:25:10 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:25:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What to decide Message-ID: Hi Mike, Can't obtain here in Israel any Teac...but as I own today a Dragon...& from 1978 when I acquired my first Nak a Tri-Tracer 1000/ll...& being discover WHAT really Nakamichi can do..., after so a 1000 ZXL (Pity ONLY work a week!!!)my dear Mike; sorry but extremely honestly...ONLY a Nakamichi!!! Whatever enjoy what you own today! Best wishes ever,ALEX! Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:00:09 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: RE: [naktalk] What to decideTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Alex: I respect your opinion. Try a TEAC Z-6000 for example if you have a chance. You might be surprised with what you hear. Cheer, MikeAlex Cozac wrote: Hello Mike, You wrote...For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Really I don't accept that! Sorry,ALEX! Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:46:40 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] What to decideTo: naktalk at naks.com Bill: I have thousands of pre-recorded commerical cassettes and I use most of my decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) mainly for playback purposes. Occassionally I will make some tapes from CD and Reel-to-Reel sources. In my opinion, listening to all these pre-recorded commerical tapes nothing will do better than the DRAGONs that I have. The other choices should belong to the NAK 700/1000ZXL and the MARANTZ unit that also use some kind of NAAC mechanism. If you playback a tape recorded in a NAK, I am very surprised in what I heard from the playback of the NAK 660/670ZX series of decks. I think the 680 series have the same heads/transport design. For recording purposes, I believe there is many other decks ( NAK and non-NAK ) that will do a much better job than the DRAGON. Hope this help. Best Regards,Mike Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a CR7A, a ZX7 and a 682ZX. I am having them mildly refurbished, just alignment, belts etc if needed, de-maged and generally looked over by a good tech. Not doing a total rebuild or anything, just generally fixed up. I was looking at maybe getting a Dragon from eBay. Not that I really need another deck, just maybe sort of a pride in ownership thing I guess. Sort of a treat in my old age. I do have a collection of old tapes I made live. A lot of theater organ and choral groups, almost all on Maxell or TDK metal. They were taped on different decks, some with the 682 with HI Com II. I mostly use DAT anymore when I do any live recording. not that it sounds better than the Naks but I thought the lack of potential in bleed thru would be a good archive. Just looking for a few opinions as to would a Dragon be an upgrade in any way or just another toy were I to foot the bill and get one (knowing there is some uncertainty in getting one I cannot test out first). Any opinions? I was never sure if the Dragon was in some way better or just more bells and whistles. Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. Ho-Ho-Ho! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Jan 12 18:12:44 2007 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:12:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CA-7 Pre Amp Recording Selector Switch Problem References: <000001c734d0$ba5eb7c0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <000d01c7366c$e02a60b0$6401a8c0@Laptop> One of the controller knobs on my Nak CA-7 Pre Amp (Record Selector Switch) is getting very shaky and loose. Of course it not the outer knob, but the inner part. Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so, how can I get to the inner portion to tighten it? Taking off the top cover does not reveal any access. would removing the face be the way to get to it, or is it from the bottom? If I am in there, I wouldn't mind cleaning the controller at the same time. If anyone has a user manual or can offer any suggestions, I would be appreciative. Thanx, Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se Sun Jan 14 23:47:15 2007 From: tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:47:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <015501c7382d$f108ad70$0200a8c0@toybox> Hi all Members in all Groups. Since BAMA is scaling down, I have decided to take over from where BAMA ended. I have created a new domain, called www.ebaman.com, (Electronic Boat Anchor Archives for MANuals) it will however take a day or two for the DNS-update. I will start to build the website at the end of this week. After that, when it goes online, It will be ready. I would however be very happy for Ideas and such. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:34 PM > To: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em > > At least one member keeps a server with manuals, i think the > right persons will reply. > You could also try > > Now that BAMA does no longer take TEK stuff, i think we > should actively do something in that regard. > There should be a list of sorts, or a table, with all free > digital manuals that we know of, and listing locations where they are. > We only need one "download" place, but we should have several > people have a copy locally. It should take little effort to > keep a few CDs or DVDs with manuals, just in case one of > those download places is lost, and by distributing them there > should always be many people with the same copy, if someone > is unreachable for some reason. > > I made a database in the database section, to show what i am > talking about > > I think there may be other ways to do this, but that's the > general idea. > Over time manuals will surely be distributed over many > servers, especially now with BAMA. I believe instead of > attempting to set up a central archive that has all it would > work better to have the files distributed, as long as there > is some index somewhere to find them and backup copies in > case one server is lost. > > What do you think? > > ST > > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:14:41 +0100, anon_tx > wrote: > > > The moderator's email is 'hidden' so I am unable to ask > him/her off- > > list so I will put it to you... > > > > There are two parts: one 27MBy and the other 39MBy. I used > hjsplit to > > split them into 1.4MBy chunks but think that is probably > too much to > > upload to the files section in this group - split or not. It will > > probably consume (or exceed) the remainder of my upload > quota - or for > > that matter maybe this entire group. > > > > So, I was in turn thinking about posting the manuals to > usenet in the > > technical books section. Anybody have any thoughts on what > the 'smart' > > thing to do is or what you'd like to see? I have been looking for > > these things a long time (for free) and finally broke down > and bought > > them and am willing to share now that I have them. From tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se Mon Jan 15 00:32:15 2007 From: tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:32:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em In-Reply-To: <006f01c73830$3401b020$0201a8c0@monsterburken> Message-ID: Well, if thoose manuals comes from the people that sells manuals, that should not be a problem i would have thought. With best regards With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebamanual.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lars Ahlström > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:03 AM > To: tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se; TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > hp_agilent_equipment at yahoogroups.com; > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com; > 'FEDPIC Grupp'; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: SV: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 > manuals - I got 'em > > Wonderful news, Tomas! > > I have the BAMA collection saved on disk. > > Unfortunately I have a bunch of manuals mixed into the > collection,that is the work of some manual providers, I guess > they will not be happy to find their stuff outthere =) They > are however not that many, and these are also separated in > the backups. > > But if you need anything, write a line. > > Btw, the one that needed a 2246 manual, I have el 2246IY > manuelo available. > > > > Regards, > > Lars > > > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] För Tomas Larsson > Skickat: den 14 januari 2007 23:47 > Till: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; hp_agilent_equipment at yahoogroups.com; > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com; > FEDPIC Grupp; naktalk at naks.com > Ämne: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em > > > > Hi all Members in all Groups. > > Since BAMA is scaling down, I have decided to take over from > where BAMA ended. > I have created a new domain, called www.ebaman.com, > (Electronic Boat Anchor Archives for MANuals) it will however > take a day or two for the DNS-update. > I will start to build the website at the end of this week. > After that, when it goes online, It will be ready. > > I would however be very happy for Ideas and such. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec. se http://www.ktl. > mine.nu http://www.naks. > mine.nu for downloads etc. > Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage. > > net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TekScopes at yahoogrou > ps.com > > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogrou > > ps.com] > On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:34 PM > > To: TekScopes at yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em > > > > At least one member keeps a server with manuals, i think the right > > persons will reply. > > You could also try > info.com/> > > > > Now that BAMA does no longer take TEK stuff, i think we should > > actively do something in that regard. > > There should be a list of sorts, or a table, with all free digital > > manuals that we know of, and listing locations where they are. > > We only need one "download" place, but we should have > several people > > have a copy locally. It should take little effort to keep a > few CDs or > > DVDs with manuals, just in case one of those download > places is lost, > > and by distributing them there should always be many people > with the > > same copy, if someone is unreachable for some reason. > > > > I made a database in the database section, to show what i > am talking > > about > groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/database> > > > > I think there may be other ways to do this, but that's the general > > idea. > > Over time manuals will surely be distributed over many servers, > > especially now with BAMA. I believe instead of attempting > to set up a > > central archive that has all it would work better to have the files > > distributed, as long as there is some index somewhere to > find them and > > backup copies in case one server is lost. > > > > What do you think? > > > > ST > > > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:14:41 +0100, anon_tx > com> wrote: > > > > > The moderator's email is 'hidden' so I am unable to ask > > him/her off- > > > list so I will put it to you... > > > > > > There are two parts: one 27MBy and the other 39MBy. I used > > hjsplit to > > > split them into 1.4MBy chunks but think that is probably > > too much to > > > upload to the files section in this group - split or not. It will > > > probably consume (or exceed) the remainder of my upload > > quota - or for > > > that matter maybe this entire group. > > > > > > So, I was in turn thinking about posting the manuals to > > usenet in the > > > technical books section. Anybody have any thoughts on what > > the 'smart' > > > thing to do is or what you'd like to see? I have been looking for > > > these things a long time (for free) and finally broke down > > and bought > > > them and am willing to share now that I have them. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:TekScopes-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:TekScopes-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > TekScopes-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Jan 15 14:08:21 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:08:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & azimuth Message-ID: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> Hi Nakers Maybe my question has been discussed yet but I wonder in which position of azimuth NAAC starts recording a new tape. The background of my question is this. I'm owner of a dragon and a beocord 9000 with manual adjustment of azimuth . When I record a tape with the beocord and play it back with the dragon, there will be no problem thanks NAAC. Vice versa should it be possible to manually adjust azimuth of the beocord with a tape that has been recorded with the dragon, so that all tapes can be played correctly either with the dragon or with the beocord. Is this correct? Thanks for your comments and hints. Franz From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 14:38:53 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:38:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & azimuth In-Reply-To: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <20070115133853.15074.qmail@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Franz Dragon' record head is a fixed one - assuming that it should match correctly with Beocard. However if it does not match; adjusting Beocard' (play head) azimuth should bring the play azimuth to correct Dragon record Azimuth ( if it is availablein Beocard). Dragon' play head is adjusted( within a small range - beyond those range it still cannot match) by NAAC and so should match Beocard's record head azimuth. However Nakamichi and Beocard record/ play back equalization may not match still and that is a factor in playback quality recorded on each other! Kannan "Franz A. Riedlinger" wrote: Hi Nakers Maybe my question has been discussed yet but I wonder in which position of azimuth NAAC starts recording a new tape. The background of my question is this. I'm owner of a dragon and a beocord 9000 with manual adjustment of azimuth . When I record a tape with the beocord and play it back with the dragon, there will be no problem thanks NAAC. Vice versa should it be possible to manually adjust azimuth of the beocord with a tape that has been recorded with the dragon, so that all tapes can be played correctly either with the dragon or with the beocord. Is this correct? Thanks for your comments and hints. Franz ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 16:11:12 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:11:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & azimuth In-Reply-To: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> References: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <518b7b10701150711o5ad858cbrf37eeeedc7e1d519@mail.gmail.com> Franz, The NAAC on the Dragon is only for playback, the recording head is fixed. If you want, you should be able to adjust the azimuth on your Beocord to match the Dragon. Once you have done it, it should be OK without having to fiddle with it each time. George On 1/15/07, Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: > Hi Nakers > Maybe my question has been discussed yet but I wonder in which position > of azimuth NAAC starts recording a new tape. > The background of my question is this. I'm owner of a dragon and a > beocord 9000 with manual adjustment of azimuth . When I record a tape > with the beocord and play it back with the dragon, there will be no > problem thanks NAAC. > Vice versa should it be possible to manually adjust azimuth of the > beocord with a tape that has been recorded with the dragon, so that all > tapes can be played correctly either with the dragon or with the > beocord. Is this correct? > Thanks for your comments and hints. > Franz > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 18:23:28 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:23:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070115172328.57163.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> By chance to you have the service manual for the Tektronix DSA601? I just got one and need the manual. SJ --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Well, if thoose manuals comes from the people that sells manuals, > that > should not be a problem i would have thought. > With best regards > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebamanual.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lars Ahlström > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:03 AM > > To: tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se; TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > > hp_agilent_equipment at yahoogroups.com; > > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com; > > 'FEDPIC Grupp'; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: SV: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 > > manuals - I got 'em > > > > Wonderful news, Tomas! > > > > I have the BAMA collection saved on disk. > > > > Unfortunately I have a bunch of manuals mixed into the > > collection,that is the work of some manual providers, I guess > > they will not be happy to find their stuff outthere =) They > > are however not that many, and these are also separated in > > the backups. > > > > But if you need anything, write a line. > > > > Btw, the one that needed a 2246 manual, I have el 2246IY > > manuelo available. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Från: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] För Tomas Larsson > > Skickat: den 14 januari 2007 23:47 > > Till: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > hp_agilent_equipment at yahoogroups.com; > > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com; > > FEDPIC Grupp; naktalk at naks.com > > Ämne: New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got > 'em > > > > > > > > Hi all Members in all Groups. > > > > Since BAMA is scaling down, I have decided to take over from > > where BAMA ended. > > I have created a new domain, called www.ebaman.com, > > (Electronic Boat Anchor Archives for MANuals) it will however > > take a day or two for the DNS-update. > > I will start to build the website at the end of this week. > > After that, when it goes online, It will be ready. > > > > I would however be very happy for Ideas and such. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec. se http://www.ktl. > > mine.nu http://www.naks. > > mine.nu for downloads etc. > > Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage. > > > > net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: TekScopes at yahoogrou > > ps.com > > > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogrou > > > > ps.com] > > On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:34 PM > > > To: TekScopes at yahoogrou > ps.com > > > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em > > > > > > At least one member keeps a server with manuals, i think the > right > > > persons will reply. > > > You could also try > > > info.com/> > > > > > > Now that BAMA does no longer take TEK stuff, i think we should > > > actively do something in that regard. > > > There should be a list of sorts, or a table, with all free > digital > > > manuals that we know of, and listing locations where they are. > > > We only need one "download" place, but we should have > > several people > > > have a copy locally. It should take little effort to keep a > > few CDs or > > > DVDs with manuals, just in case one of those download > > places is lost, > > > and by distributing them there should always be many people > > with the > > > same copy, if someone is unreachable for some reason. > > > > > > I made a database in the database section, to show what i > > am talking > > > about > > > groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/database> > > > > > > I think there may be other ways to do this, but that's the > general > > > idea. > > > Over time manuals will surely be distributed over many servers, > > > > especially now with BAMA. I believe instead of attempting > > to set up a > > > central archive that has all it would work better to have the > files > > > distributed, as long as there is some index somewhere to > > find them and > > > backup copies in case one server is lost. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > ST > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:14:41 +0100, anon_tx > > com> wrote: > > > > > > > The moderator's email is 'hidden' so I am unable to ask > > > him/her off- > > > > list so I will put it to you... > > > > > > > > There are two parts: one 27MBy and the other 39MBy. I used > > > hjsplit to > > > > split them into 1.4MBy chunks but think that is probably > > > too much to > > > > upload to the files section in this group - split or not. It > will > > > > probably consume (or exceed) the remainder of my upload > > > quota - or for > > > > that matter maybe this entire group. > > > > > > > > So, I was in turn thinking about posting the manuals to > > > usenet in the > > > > technical books section. Anybody have any thoughts on what > > > the 'smart' > > > > thing to do is or what you'd like to see? I have been looking > for > > > > these things a long time (for free) and finally broke down > > > and bought > > > > them and am willing to share now that I have them. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/ > > > > <*> Your email settings: > > Individual Email | Traditional > > > > <*> To change settings online go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopes/join > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 15 21:50:07 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:50:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & azimuth In-Reply-To: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> References: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <45ABE8FF.6080709@peromarta.org> Hi Franz, I suggest using an azimuth reference to align all decks, such as this one I have for sale: http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: > Hi Nakers > Maybe my question has been discussed yet but I wonder in which position > of azimuth NAAC starts recording a new tape. > The background of my question is this. I'm owner of a dragon and a > beocord 9000 with manual adjustment of azimuth . When I record a tape > with the beocord and play it back with the dragon, there will be no > problem thanks NAAC. > Vice versa should it be possible to manually adjust azimuth of the > beocord with a tape that has been recorded with the dragon, so that all > tapes can be played correctly either with the dragon or with the > beocord. Is this correct? > Thanks for your comments and hints. > Franz > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 10:39:41 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:39:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections Message-ID: <003601c73952$40109ac0$6701a8c0@main> I have a Nak 600 II. I've had problems mainly with the inside connections where I lose the EQ and Bias adjustments beyond adjusting from the front. I have to open it up and unplug and replug them several times and then using the little screwdriver readjust from the front. Any more permanent fix for this? Is it a common problem? I don't use the deck much at all due to this problem but I sort of hate to see it just sit there and never use it. A second question. I looked thru about 5 months of posts and did not see a answer so maybe it is ok to ask. Any recommendations for a good demagnetizer for my Nak decks? There is an outfit on eBay advertising one under the Nak name then later in the post, it says it is their exact equivalent. I hate this practice, but anyone have one of these and is it good? I have an ancient unit which is a little barrel shaped plastic one with a straight shank making it tough to use on a cassette. I am getting my decks fixed up by tom at HiTech and want to keep them in good shape once done so I need a decent damage unit. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 23:11:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:11:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections In-Reply-To: <003601c73952$40109ac0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070115221114.35550.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, Use Han D Mag for your cassette/reel to reel decks. Its the best there is and is available from American recording( check google) Good luck. DO NOT BUY THE AFTERMARKET DM-10 EQUIVALENTS. ALL ARE GARBAGE! Been there seen it done that! Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: I have a Nak 600 II. I've had problems mainly with the inside connections where I lose the EQ and Bias adjustments beyond adjusting from the front. I have to open it up and unplug and replug them several times and then using the little screwdriver readjust from the front. Any more permanent fix for this? Is it a common problem? I don't use the deck much at all due to this problem but I sort of hate to see it just sit there and never use it. A second question. I looked thru about 5 months of posts and did not see a answer so maybe it is ok to ask. Any recommendations for a good demagnetizer for my Nak decks? There is an outfit on eBay advertising one under the Nak name then later in the post, it says it is their exact equivalent. I hate this practice, but anyone have one of these and is it good? I have an ancient unit which is a little barrel shaped plastic one with a straight shank making it tough to use on a cassette. I am getting my decks fixed up by tom at HiTech and want to keep them in good shape once done so I need a decent damage unit. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 11:30:05 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:30:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections Message-ID: <005b01c73959$4a898eb0$6701a8c0@main> Ram; Is the short probe version ok for cassettes. American recordings shows only that one. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 11:34:05 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:34:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections Message-ID: <006101c73959$d99dab90$6701a8c0@main> I currently have a massive demag unit designed to handle even digital tapes. (looks like an oversized computer mouse weighing 2 or 3 pounds I would guess. Would it be a good thing to use to move near the head area of the deck then move away and do everything all at once? I am guessing NO but had to ask just in case. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 15 23:48:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:48:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections In-Reply-To: <005b01c73959$4a898eb0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070115224821.47474.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes it is for Nakamichis, because most naks have the removable door cover and you can have good access to the heads and transport through the front. Good Luck. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: Ram; Is the short probe version ok for cassettes. American recordings shows only that one. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 12:51:06 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:51:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belt tensioner Message-ID: <007601c73964$9bd10c70$6701a8c0@main> Since so many of the Nak decks are not all that easy to change belts on, anyone ever think of using some sort of small roller with arm and spring to create a little belt tension take-up? I am sort of surprised there is not such a part in the decks when you consider the intricacy of the mechanical parts in a Nak. I don't know of problems with belts breaking, just stretching. Maybe I'm just reinventing the wheel as a new poster? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 01:21:02 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:21:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & azimuth In-Reply-To: <45ABE8FF.6080709@peromarta.org> References: <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> <45AB7CC5.8020602@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070115182102.007a9560@earthlink.net> Me too. You just have to have a reference tape to sort these problems out. NAAC is dangerous because a misaligned play head leads to a misaligned record head. The NAAC makes PLAYBACK sound great whether the alignment is correct or not! There are also NAAC alignments independent of the play azimuth, so it can get quite tricky. If you have a reference tape, then you know which head is correct. tom brucker At 09:50 PM 1/15/07 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Franz, > >I suggest using an azimuth reference to align all decks, such as this >one I have for sale: > >http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html > >Best rgds, LP. > >Franz A. Riedlinger wrote: >> Hi Nakers >> Maybe my question has been discussed yet but I wonder in which position >> of azimuth NAAC starts recording a new tape. >> The background of my question is this. I'm owner of a dragon and a >> beocord 9000 with manual adjustment of azimuth . When I record a tape >> with the beocord and play it back with the dragon, there will be no >> problem thanks NAAC. >> Vice versa should it be possible to manually adjust azimuth of the >> beocord with a tape that has been recorded with the dragon, so that all >> tapes can be played correctly either with the dragon or with the >> beocord. Is this correct? >> Thanks for your comments and hints. >> Franz >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 01:16:17 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:16:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections In-Reply-To: <003601c73952$40109ac0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070115181617.007a4470@earthlink.net> Bill, The repair for any on this generation's decks from the 250 to the 1000, and the T100, is what I call "retensioning" the gold contact fingers in the sockets. I clean the gold contacts on both sides with Deoxid, wipe the board edge dry, and use a fine pointed awl to slide into each connector's slot and bend the finger a bit towards where the board would be. This method works for both the rigid and the flexible contact fingers. In any of these units it adds up to a lot of tiny bending, and you get in trouble if you bend too much, so just use a bit of pressure. This was the actual method used in training at Nakamichi! The gold contacts will last forever. Some people directly solder the head cable wires to the circuit board as this is the most sensitive connector in the 600. I feel it is ok, but it will create extra work if the deck has to be removed for some mechanical work. When you retension all connectors, hook it to a stereo and with power on tap around and wiggle the boards. If you have done a good job everything will work despite the vibrations. I have followed the demag threads and no one has mentioned my favorite demag unit, the TDK HD-01. It was a battery powered cassette shell that cycled once when the head moved into play. TDK said that the HD-01 had higher flux density and a smoother decay than hand held demags. I wonder if it is still availible?? tom brucker At 04:39 AM 1/16/07 -0500, Bill Shenefelt wrote: >>>> I have a Nak 600 II. I've had problems mainly with the inside connections where I lose the EQ and Bias adjustments beyond adjusting from the front. I have to open it up and unplug and replug them several times and then using the little screwdriver readjust from the front. Any more permanent fix for this? Is it a common problem? I don't use the deck much at all due to this problem but I sort of hate to see it just sit there and never use it. A second question. I looked thru about 5 months of posts and did not see a answer so maybe it is ok to ask. Any recommendations for a good demagnetizer for my Nak decks? There is an outfit on eBay advertising one under the Nak name then later in the post, it says it is their exact equivalent. I hate this practice, but anyone have one of these and is it good? I have an ancient unit which is a little barrel shaped plastic one with a straight shank making it tough to use on a cassette. I am getting my decks fixed up by tom at HiTech and want to keep them in good shape once done so I need a decent damage unit. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 16 13:22:49 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:22:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape bleed thru Message-ID: <000601c73969$0c3e7e80$6701a8c0@main> One of the reasons I started to use DAT for recording instead of my Naks was the sound magnetic bleed thru I seemed to find. I used only metal tapes for master recordings hoping that since they needed a higher bias current, maybe they would be slightly less prone to the bleeding. Is there some practice that can be used to help minimize this? What I am talking about is if you have a strong signal on the tape followed by a quiet passage, you hear a faint echo of the strong image from probably the next or previous wrap of the tape on the reel. Was my thinking in using primarily metal tapes correct or did this just make matters worse? Is there any preventative? 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URL: From glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 16 02:52:35 2007 From: glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk (Alex Wong) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:52:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt tensioner In-Reply-To: <007601c73964$9bd10c70$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070116015235.26754.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, i reside in Malaysia and we have no Nak reps here that keep stock of spares. the first thing that went were my tensioner and drive belts. they perished; not stretched nor snapped. now i have problems getting them replaced. i know i can get them fr Jeff but extremely costly that i am thinking thrice about it. i was hoping to find some substitues to the originals and easily obtainable here. You have any idea what i can use? Or what similar household appliances also employ small belts that can be used? Thanks for your thoughts alex wong --- Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Since so many of the Nak decks are not all that easy > to change belts on, anyone ever think of using some > sort of small roller with arm and spring to create a > little belt tension take-up? I am sort of surprised > there is not such a part in the decks when you > consider the intricacy of the mechanical parts in a > Nak. I don't know of problems with belts breaking, > just stretching. Maybe I'm just reinventing the > wheel as a new poster? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 16 15:04:14 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:04:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Belt tensioner In-Reply-To: <20070116015235.26754.qmail@web25503.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <873762.39303.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, It one time I was fixing a CD player that had a bad belt for the drive. This particular CD player was not worth putting any money into so I went to the hardware store and bought several "O" rings at about 25cents each(US). A few fit but I used one that the tension seemed to be proper. The CD player still works fine. This belt was for the transport on a multiple CD player(cartridge type) that moved the transport up and down to load the chosen CD so it had nothing to do with speed so size was not critical. Obviously this is a last resort but maybe this could work until you find the right part??? Bob Alex Wong wrote: Hi Bill, i reside in Malaysia and we have no Nak reps here that keep stock of spares. the first thing that went were my tensioner and drive belts. they perished; not stretched nor snapped. now i have problems getting them replaced. i know i can get them fr Jeff but extremely costly that i am thinking thrice about it. i was hoping to find some substitues to the originals and easily obtainable here. You have any idea what i can use? Or what similar household appliances also employ small belts that can be used? Thanks for your thoughts alex wong --- Bill Shenefelt wrote: > Since so many of the Nak decks are not all that easy > to change belts on, anyone ever think of using some > sort of small roller with arm and spring to create a > little belt tension take-up? I am sort of surprised > there is not such a part in the decks when you > consider the intricacy of the mechanical parts in a > Nak. I don't know of problems with belts breaking, > just stretching. Maybe I'm just reinventing the > wheel as a new poster? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 16 16:08:00 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tape bleed thru Message-ID: Hi Bill, No, using type IV will not necessarily correct this unless it is TDK MA-X. Two approaches would be (1) using less rec level at the outset and if possible, use some sort of NR; the other rather better one is to use double coated formulae such as TDK SA-X, Fuji JP-I/II and IIx, TDK SA-X, SM-X and BASF CSII, or CMII. In addition, the shorter length tapes are thicker gauge and more resistent to print-through. Dual coated formulas sport improved retention characteristics and print-through artefacts that arise from the superior physical properties of heavier doping. Be aware that they may also reguire more conscientious de-gaussing. This is especially the case for pure/natural chromium dioxides such as the original CrO2 from Scotch and BASF, of which the Supers and Maximas were also dual coats. Finally, the lower the sensitivity, theoretically, the less the problem - tapes that are near flat in sensitivity measurements such as Maxell SXII, Maxell MX, TDK SA and Sony Metal XR would, with optimal lengths (C-60), sensible rec levels and Dolby C/S not cause any headaches. Good luck - Marc >>> william.shenefelt at verizon.net 1/16/2007 2:22:49 PM >>> One of the reasons I started to use DAT for recording instead of my Naks was the sound magnetic bleed thru I seemed to find. I used only metal tapes for master recordings hoping that since they needed a higher bias current, maybe they would be slightly less prone to the bleeding. Is there some practice that can be used to help minimize this? What I am talking about is if you have a strong signal on the tape followed by a quiet passage, you hear a faint echo of the strong image from probably the next or previous wrap of the tape on the reel. Was my thinking in using primarily metal tapes correct or did this just make matters worse? Is there any preventative? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 16 16:40:23 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:40:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Message-ID: Hi All, A quick survey of the major cassette tape manufacturers indicates further reduction in ranges over the last year. On the manufacturing side, certain types are no longer made or alternatively, not presently made. Usually it turns out to be the former. This does not necessarily mean that they are not still available in the marketplace, but the factory warehouses would be bare of the type, so to speak. I'll go through them company by company: TDK TDK Worldwide and Japan: CD-Bass, SA, SM, D, Endless and Micro TDK Europe specific: SA, FE, D Comments: Wrappers for D and SA are radically changed * for the worse * somewhat austere. If you happen to like what's been recently deleted from manufacturing, now would be the time to buy. If you see "B", its interchangeable with FE. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: SA-X, AD, CDing, SM-X Deleted prior to that but since 2001: MA, AR Maxell Available North America, Europe etc: XLII, UR, Micro Specifically in Japan: UE and MQ (Master Quality and near identical to UE which makes it an entry level ferric) and UDII in Hong Kong and other SE Asia Comments: Maxell cleaned up their range several years ago. If you like XLII-S, what you're looking at is all that remains. Some lengths are already patchy. UD-I is also better in most respects than AD * it measures little different from the erstwhile XLI. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UDI Deleted prior to that but since 2001: XLII-S, Metal CD Sony Worldwide: Strongly uniform worldwide distribution of FX Ferro and Micro. Otherwise: Europe: CDit II, HF and UX-S (assembled in Mexico) India, parts of Africa and Middle-East: EF Comments: The Italian UX is worthwhile if you find any. ZX is a lively ferric that was probably residual HF-S stock repacked. The current UX-S in the green wrap (Mexican) is rewarding * much more so than, say, an SA if you were wondering. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UX, ZX, Deleted prior to that but since 2001: UX-Turbo, Metal XR, HF-S SKC The Korean polyamide and polyester film giant still makes pancakes for bulk loading by other manufacturers. Otherwise they have deleted their SKC cassette brand entirely. Whether they continue with a line for exclusive distribution in the East is unclear but SKM/SKC is not marketing it. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: CD Superchrome, LX Deleted prior to that but since 2001: ZX, QX, Sportline Fuji Worldwide: DRII and DR. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: K Series, ZII Deleted prior to that but since 2001: Metal-Z and all FRs Quantegy The Quantegy (Ampex) 472 is still available but only in the US. Manufacturing is probably on demand. Emtec Finally Paris based Emtec is stabilised into a productive 150-person company. What BASF Magnetics plant in Munich and Ludwigshafen that was required in the 2003 liquidation was bought and they now make three fine products: Worldwide: FEI, CEII and CSII Comments: CSII is highly recommended Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: Chrome Record I and II Deleted prior to that but since 2001: CMII, TPII, TPIV, FE Super That's and others........ Production stopped a number of years ago from Taiyo Yuden. Same applies to Philips, Memorex, Tandy, Triad, Boots, Scotch, Daimon etc. Conclusion: I don't have to tell you to be predatory when it comes to securing a self-serving stash of cassettes. It's not all doom and gloom. Emtec's CSII is a very fine double coated type II. Sony's UX-S is worth getting a good number of; the ubiquitous Maxell XLII remains a yardstick of quality. If you like TDK SA (or the better built SM) they are there. Look amongst the recently deleted items and consider those as important purchases in the short-medium term. When they are gone, that will be it. Key Issues; 1. There's no assurance how long tapes that remain in production will remain so. In theory, it's cheap to keep cassettes in production as equipment to make them was capitalised many years ago and there's no present-day R&D to amortise. The exception to this is EMTEC who bought auctioned BASF rigs 3 years ago and will want to realise ROI on them, such as it is. 2. E-Bay: Still opportunities abound * getting fewer for the metals and of course, you never know how the tapes were stored. By and large, they'll be fine (a few problems reported on audio asylum through) and, well, it's an auction * so, caveat emptor. 3. New tapes vs. old. There's a bit of hype here. The ones of old were great and the new ones are hopeless. This is partly true and partly urban legend. The tapes made up to the mid-nineties were excellent (and some were not) and the technology had reached it's zenith then * but tapes available today are broadly speaking as good as they were when the majors ceased further research and development on them. Good luck with your purchases, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 17:33:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:33:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <573988.76278.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Marc, Thank you for the wonderful effort in putting these important information together. Best Regards Bala Marc Hugo wrote: Hi All, A quick survey of the major cassette tape manufacturers indicates further reduction in ranges over the last year. On the manufacturing side, certain types are no longer made or alternatively, not presently made. Usually it turns out to be the former. This does not necessarily mean that they are not still available in the marketplace, but the factory warehouses would be bare of the type, so to speak. I'll go through them company by company: TDK TDK Worldwide and Japan: CD-Bass, SA, SM, D, Endless and Micro TDK Europe specific: SA, FE, D Comments: Wrappers for D and SA are radically changed * for the worse * somewhat austere. If you happen to like what's been recently deleted from manufacturing, now would be the time to buy. If you see "B", its interchangeable with FE. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: SA-X, AD, CDing, SM-X Deleted prior to that but since 2001: MA, AR Maxell Available North America, Europe etc: XLII, UR, Micro Specifically in Japan: UE and MQ (Master Quality and near identical to UE which makes it an entry level ferric) and UDII in Hong Kong and other SE Asia Comments: Maxell cleaned up their range several years ago. If you like XLII-S, what you're looking at is all that remains. Some lengths are already patchy. UD-I is also better in most respects than AD * it measures little different from the erstwhile XLI. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UDI Deleted prior to that but since 2001: XLII-S, Metal CD Sony Worldwide: Strongly uniform worldwide distribution of FX Ferro and Micro. Otherwise: Europe: CDit II, HF and UX-S (assembled in Mexico) India, parts of Africa and Middle-East: EF Comments: The Italian UX is worthwhile if you find any. ZX is a lively ferric that was probably residual HF-S stock repacked. The current UX-S in the green wrap (Mexican) is rewarding * much more so than, say, an SA if you were wondering. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UX, ZX, Deleted prior to that but since 2001: UX-Turbo, Metal XR, HF-S SKC The Korean polyamide and polyester film giant still makes pancakes for bulk loading by other manufacturers. Otherwise they have deleted their SKC cassette brand entirely. Whether they continue with a line for exclusive distribution in the East is unclear but SKM/SKC is not marketing it. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: CD Superchrome, LX Deleted prior to that but since 2001: ZX, QX, Sportline Fuji Worldwide: DRII and DR. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: K Series, ZII Deleted prior to that but since 2001: Metal-Z and all FRs Quantegy The Quantegy (Ampex) 472 is still available but only in the US. Manufacturing is probably on demand. Emtec Finally Paris based Emtec is stabilised into a productive 150-person company. What BASF Magnetics plant in Munich and Ludwigshafen that was required in the 2003 liquidation was bought and they now make three fine products: Worldwide: FEI, CEII and CSII Comments: CSII is highly recommended Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: Chrome Record I and II Deleted prior to that but since 2001: CMII, TPII, TPIV, FE Super That's and others........ Production stopped a number of years ago from Taiyo Yuden. Same applies to Philips, Memorex, Tandy, Triad, Boots, Scotch, Daimon etc. Conclusion: I don't have to tell you to be predatory when it comes to securing a self-serving stash of cassettes. It's not all doom and gloom. Emtec's CSII is a very fine double coated type II. Sony's UX-S is worth getting a good number of; the ubiquitous Maxell XLII remains a yardstick of quality. If you like TDK SA (or the better built SM) they are there. Look amongst the recently deleted items and consider those as important purchases in the short-medium term. When they are gone, that will be it. Key Issues; 1. There's no assurance how long tapes that remain in production will remain so. In theory, it's cheap to keep cassettes in production as equipment to make them was capitalised many years ago and there's no present-day R&D to amortise. The exception to this is EMTEC who bought auctioned BASF rigs 3 years ago and will want to realise ROI on them, such as it is. 2. E-Bay: Still opportunities abound * getting fewer for the metals and of course, you never know how the tapes were stored. By and large, they'll be fine (a few problems reported on audio asylum through) and, well, it's an auction * so, caveat emptor. 3. New tapes vs. old. There's a bit of hype here. The ones of old were great and the new ones are hopeless. This is partly true and partly urban legend. The tapes made up to the mid-nineties were excellent (and some were not) and the technology had reached it's zenith then * but tapes available today are broadly speaking as good as they were when the majors ceased further research and development on them. Good luck with your purchases, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 23:37:12 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:37:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Changing the idler tyre on a ZX-7 / 9 In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199CAC@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070116163712.0085bc20@earthlink.net> Idler tires on the classic Nak decks are best done by pros. There is a huge amount to disassemble. The tire rarely wears out...I've had more motors fail than tires. Removing the transport as a unit will not alter any alignments. tom brucker At 10:48 AM 1/16/07 +1000, David King wrote: >>>> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73908.1784EBA5" Hi all Has anybody on the list replaced the tyre on the idler wheel in a deck such as the ZX-9. I have changed my counter 2, control motor, and capstan belt with no problems at all, but I dont really want to remove the entire transport assembly, to access the idler. Is there another way?? I would think that removing the transport would cause some mechanical tolerances to be upset. Any comments? Thanks and regards David David King Manager Audio Visual Services Division of ICT University of Southern Queensland Tel: 07-46312490 E-mail: kingd at usq.edu.au ---------- This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 16 23:39:25 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:39:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape bleed thru In-Reply-To: <000601c73969$0c3e7e80$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070116163925.0084f970@earthlink.net> Print through is always a problem with organ recording. If you mastered on reel to reel, the solution would be to use 1.5mil low print tape. Scotch 250 was what we used at Oberlin. I do not know if shorter cassettes like C 45s have thicker tape than C 90s. tom brucker At 07:22 AM 1/16/07 -0500, Bill Shenefelt wrote: >>>> One of the reasons I started to use DAT for recording instead of my Naks was the sound magnetic bleed thru I seemed to find. I used only metal tapes for master recordings hoping that since they needed a higher bias current, maybe they would be slightly less prone to the bleeding. Is there some practice that can be used to help minimize this? What I am talking about is if you have a strong signal on the tape followed by a quiet passage, you hear a faint echo of the strong image from probably the next or previous wrap of the tape on the reel. Was my thinking in using primarily metal tapes correct or did this just make matters worse? Is there any preventative? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 16 23:44:58 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:44:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Changing the idler tyre on a ZX-7 / 9 In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199CAC@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <268848.19141.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't replaced it on the ZX-9, but, I did on my ZX-7 which is very close. One of these days I'm going to do it on my RX-505 which is nearly the same transport, but, mounted up side down. To answer your question there is no easy way to replace the idler tire. Some people have mentioned taking a belt and glueing it to the surface of the existing tire. But, the only way to replace it is to take the transport apart. This can be done without removing everything, but, it's not an easy task. Also be extemely careful with the E-clip holding the tire assembly one. Once removed it can get lost VERY easily and it's a royal pain to put back on. SJ --- David King wrote: > Hi all > > > > Has anybody on the list replaced the tyre on the idler wheel in a > deck > such as the ZX-9. I have changed my counter 2, control motor, and > capstan belt with no problems at all, but I don't really want to > remove > the entire transport assembly, to access the idler. Is there > another > way?? I would think that removing the transport would cause some > mechanical tolerances to be upset. > > > > Any comments? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > David > > > > David King > > Manager > > Audio Visual Services > > Division of ICT > > University of Southern Queensland > > Tel: 07-46312490 > > E-mail: kingd at usq.edu.au > > > > > > > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is > for the > intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, > please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > > The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily > reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jan 17 00:15:22 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:15:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 600II internal connections Message-ID: <684E3649-73AF-491B-9BFE-76EBE7B93E7F@alumni.caltech.edu> > I have followed the demag threads and no one has mentioned my favorite > demag unit, the TDK HD-01. It was a battery powered cassette > shell that > cycled once when the head moved into play. TDK said that the HD-01 had > higher flux density and a smoother decay than hand held demags. I didn't remember that one but I should have posted the other TDK one I used; it's sort of the open-reel equivalent of that (but is usable on cassette as well). It cycles when you push a button and uses a pulse with a decaying profile so you don't have to do the pull-away-careful thing. You just push & hold the button a few seconds. But I haven't run a power test to see how it stacks up in terms of flux it actually hits the head with. I don't think it's available, either, but I did see one on the 'bay a few months ago (mine's probably about 2 decades old).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Jan 17 00:24:11 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:24:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Changing the idler tyre on a ZX-7 / 9 Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199CB0@babbage.usq.edu.au> Thanks Tom and Scott for your comments. As my deck is fast winding OK at the moment, I think I will leave it as it is. I don't really want to pull the transport out. At least all the other belts are done. My capstan flywheel belt had gone soft and limp, and if I put the deck on its back it would simply slip off the flywheels. In spite of this though, would you believe it played perfectly with no detectable wow, even with slack belt hanging below. I think it was purely the grip the belt had on the flywheels that kept it going as the rubber was quite tacky to touch. I had to give the running surface of the wheels a good clean with ISO before fitting the new belt. Thanks again David This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. 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I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. Thanks for a great read! Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Hi All, A quick survey of the major cassette tape manufacturers indicates further reduction in ranges over the last year. On the manufacturing side, certain types are no longer made or alternatively, not presently made. Usually it turns out to be the former. This does not necessarily mean that they are not still available in the marketplace, but the factory warehouses would be bare of the type, so to speak. I'll go through them company by company: TDK TDK Worldwide and Japan: CD-Bass, SA, SM, D, Endless and Micro TDK Europe specific: SA, FE, D Comments: Wrappers for D and SA are radically changed * for the worse * somewhat austere. If you happen to like what's been recently deleted from manufacturing, now would be the time to buy. If you see "B", its interchangeable with FE. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: SA-X, AD, CDing, SM-X Deleted prior to that but since 2001: MA, AR Maxell Available North America, Europe etc: XLII, UR, Micro Specifically in Japan: UE and MQ (Master Quality and near identical to UE which makes it an entry level ferric) and UDII in Hong Kong and other SE Asia Comments: Maxell cleaned up their range several years ago. If you like XLII-S, what you're looking at is all that remains. Some lengths are already patchy. UD-I is also better in most respects than AD * it measures little different from the erstwhile XLI. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UDI Deleted prior to that but since 2001: XLII-S, Metal CD Sony Worldwide: Strongly uniform worldwide distribution of FX Ferro and Micro. Otherwise: Europe: CDit II, HF and UX-S (assembled in Mexico) India, parts of Africa and Middle-East: EF Comments: The Italian UX is worthwhile if you find any. ZX is a lively ferric that was probably residual HF-S stock repacked. The current UX-S in the green wrap (Mexican) is rewarding * much more so than, say, an SA if you were wondering. Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: UX, ZX, Deleted prior to that but since 2001: UX-Turbo, Metal XR, HF-S SKC The Korean polyamide and polyester film giant still makes pancakes for bulk loading by other manufacturers. Otherwise they have deleted their SKC cassette brand entirely. Whether they continue with a line for exclusive distribution in the East is unclear but SKM/SKC is not marketing it. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: CD Superchrome, LX Deleted prior to that but since 2001: ZX, QX, Sportline Fuji Worldwide: DRII and DR. Comments: Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: K Series, ZII Deleted prior to that but since 2001: Metal-Z and all FRs Quantegy The Quantegy (Ampex) 472 is still available but only in the US. Manufacturing is probably on demand. Emtec Finally Paris based Emtec is stabilised into a productive 150-person company. What BASF Magnetics plant in Munich and Ludwigshafen that was required in the 2003 liquidation was bought and they now make three fine products: Worldwide: FEI, CEII and CSII Comments: CSII is highly recommended Deleted in the past year to 18 months are: Chrome Record I and II Deleted prior to that but since 2001: CMII, TPII, TPIV, FE Super That's and others........ Production stopped a number of years ago from Taiyo Yuden. Same applies to Philips, Memorex, Tandy, Triad, Boots, Scotch, Daimon etc. Conclusion: I don't have to tell you to be predatory when it comes to securing a self-serving stash of cassettes. It's not all doom and gloom. Emtec's CSII is a very fine double coated type II. Sony's UX-S is worth getting a good number of; the ubiquitous Maxell XLII remains a yardstick of quality. If you like TDK SA (or the better built SM) they are there. Look amongst the recently deleted items and consider those as important purchases in the short-medium term. When they are gone, that will be it. Key Issues; 1. There's no assurance how long tapes that remain in production will remain so. In theory, it's cheap to keep cassettes in production as equipment to make them was capitalised many years ago and there's no present-day R&D to amortise. The exception to this is EMTEC who bought auctioned BASF rigs 3 years ago and will want to realise ROI on them, such as it is. 2. E-Bay: Still opportunities abound * getting fewer for the metals and of course, you never know how the tapes were stored. By and large, they'll be fine (a few problems reported on audio asylum through) and, well, it's an auction * so, caveat emptor. 3. New tapes vs. old. There's a bit of hype here. The ones of old were great and the new ones are hopeless. This is partly true and partly urban legend. The tapes made up to the mid-nineties were excellent (and some were not) and the technology had reached it's zenith then * but tapes available today are broadly speaking as good as they were when the majors ceased further research and development on them. Good luck with your purchases, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 17 06:52:34 2007 From: glypro1 at yahoo.co.uk (Alex Wong) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:52:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt tensioner In-Reply-To: <873762.39303.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512194.52308.qm@web25511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Thanks for the tip. Sounds like a workable solution. Cheers! alex --- Bob Naylor wrote: > Alex, > It one time I was fixing a CD player that had a > bad belt for the drive. This particular CD player > was not worth putting any money into so I went to > the hardware store and bought several "O" rings at > about 25cents each(US). A few fit but I used one > that the tension seemed to be proper. The CD player > still works fine. This belt was for the transport > on a multiple CD player(cartridge type) that moved > the transport up and down to load the chosen CD so > it had nothing to do with speed so size was not > critical. > Obviously this is a last resort but maybe this > could work until you find the right part??? Bob > > Alex Wong wrote: > Hi Bill, > > i reside in Malaysia and we have no Nak reps here > that > keep stock of spares. > > the first thing that went were my tensioner and > drive > belts. they perished; not stretched nor snapped. > > now i have problems getting them replaced. i know i > can get them fr Jeff but extremely costly that i am > thinking thrice about it. > > i was hoping to find some substitues to the > originals > and easily obtainable here. > > You have any idea what i can use? Or what similar > household appliances also employ small belts that > can > be used? > > Thanks for your thoughts > > alex wong > > --- Bill Shenefelt > wrote: > > > Since so many of the Nak decks are not all that > easy > > to change belts on, anyone ever think of using > some > > sort of small roller with arm and spring to create > a > > little belt tension take-up? I am sort of > surprised > > there is not such a part in the decks when you > > consider the intricacy of the mechanical parts in > a > > Nak. I don't know of problems with belts breaking, > > just stretching. Maybe I'm just reinventing the > > wheel as a new poster? > > Bill Shenefelt > > http://sheneskillies.com> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive > emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail > Championships. 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Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 17 10:12:10 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:12:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape bleed thru In-Reply-To: <200701162207.l0GM76Vq030243@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070117091210.72484.qmail@web27414.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I totally echo what Marc says about dual-layer tapes. About 14 years ago I committed some of my best vinyl to Fuji dual-layer tapes and they are still good enough to make good CDR copies and they stand up to critical listening. I made a lucky choice - wish I'd bought more of those babies! Chris From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jan 17 15:42:19 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:42:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TDK HD-01 Message-ID: <000801c73a45$b0dd8350$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Tom, I have a TDK HD-01 that I bought in the late 80s or early 90s. I haven't used it in ages (I use the HandIMag now), but might try it again. It has a large electromagnet centered on the Rec and PB heads, and another smaller wired device (contact switch ?) on the side of the lead-in idler components. I seem to remember prior discussions about the importance of demagnetizing the pins and guides in the tape path, and it doesn't appear that the TDK unit would do this. However, I've always thought these parts were stainless steel which is essentially non-magnetic anyway. Does anyone have any input on this question? By the way, the build quality of the TDK HD-01 is quite good. It also has a small LED indicator light to show when it activates. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 17 15:47:58 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:47:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape bleed thru In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45AE371E.30104@rcn.com> Marc Hugo wrote: > Hi Bill, > > No, using type IV will not necessarily correct this unless it is TDK MA-X. Well, at least in theory, it does. Metal tape has much higher coercivity than ferric formulations. It takes a stronger field to affect them. I am not sure by how much this affects print through, though. I agree that the thinner the tape, the more severe the problem. Also, over-saturating the recording will exacerbate print through. -- Ron > Two approaches would be (1) using less rec level at the outset and if possible, > use some sort of NR; the other rather better one is to use double coated formulae > such as TDK SA-X, Fuji JP-I/II and IIx, TDK SA-X, SM-X and BASF CSII, or CMII. > In addition, the shorter length tapes are thicker gauge and more resistent to > print-through. Dual coated formulas sport improved retention characteristics > and print-through artefacts that arise from the superior physical properties of > heavier doping. Be aware that they may also reguire more conscientious de-gaussing. >This is especially the case for pure/natural chromium dioxides such as > the original CrO2 from Scotch and BASF, of which the Supers and Maximas were also > dual coats. > > Finally, the lower the sensitivity, theoretically, the less the problem - tapes > that are near flat in sensitivity measurements such as Maxell SXII, Maxell MX, TDK SA and Sony Metal XR would, with optimal lengths (C-60), sensible rec levels and Dolby C/S not cause any headaches. > > Good luck - Marc > > > >>>> william.shenefelt at verizon.net 1/16/2007 2:22:49 PM >>> > One of the reasons I started to use DAT for recording instead of my Naks was the sound magnetic bleed thru I seemed to find. I used only metal tapes for master recordings hoping that since they needed a higher bias current, maybe they would be slightly less prone to the bleeding. Is there some practice that can be used to help minimize this? What I am talking about is if you have a strong signal on the tape followed by a quiet passage, you hear a faint echo of the strong image from probably the next or previous wrap of the tape on the reel. Was my thinking in using primarily metal tapes correct or did this just make matters worse? Is there any preventative? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject > to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the > named recipient/s. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose > or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. > If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to > this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > > All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present > in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising > from the use of this email or attachments. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 19:24:18 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:24:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK HD-01 Message-ID: Hello Robert! Yes 3 decades ago I own the same unit, mainly was used it for my radio/tape car unit. BTW...if...you don't use it for a long time, take not that you MUST change the small button battery, as may be corroded or it's NOW so corroded that your unit MUST be trashed as happen to mine. It's true that DO NOT degauss any "Pins or Guides"...for that you MUSI use as i also own the "Ultimate" Had-D-Mag one, This one seriously will do the job 100% perfectly!. Peace,ALEX! From: rjkent at comcast.netTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:42:19 -0800Subject: [naktalk] TDK HD-01 Tom, I have a TDK HD-01 that I bought in the late 80s or early 90s. I haven’t used it in ages (I use the HandIMag now), but might try it again. It has a large electromagnet centered on the Rec and PB heads, and another smaller wired device (contact switch ?) on the side of the lead-in idler components. I seem to remember prior discussions about the importance of demagnetizing the pins and guides in the tape path, and it doesn’t appear that the TDK unit would do this. However, I’ve always thought these parts were stainless steel which is essentially non-magnetic anyway. Does anyone have any input on this question? By the way, the build quality of the TDK HD-01 is quite good. It also has a small LED indicator light to show when it activates. Robert Kent _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 18 00:43:22 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:43:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK HD-01 In-Reply-To: <000801c73a45$b0dd8350$0401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070117174322.0084c100@earthlink.net> Robert, You are correct about the capstan and guides. Nakamichi said that "the harder the steel, the harder it is to magnetize." Tape heads need to be soft to magnetize (and demagnetize) easily, so permalloy types wore out quickly. I recall Advent 201 heads wore out in 2 years. It has been posted here last year that the simple act of playing a tape 10 times will measureably magnetize a head, so I extrapolate that the capstan and guides might also. Since the capstan rotates, I have no idea conceptually how the field might be oriented, but fixed guides certainly would be suceptible. Last year I recommended never demagnitizing, and I will list my reasons again, not to say I am correct, but to add a word of caution. More harm is done by IMPROPER demagnetizing procedures than by doing nothing at all. The reality is applying a demag tip to the guide, and THEN pressing the 'on' button produces a transient field that the steady state demag alternating field cannot overpower. The demag must be turned on away from the heads, and brought in slowly. tom brucker At 06:42 AM 1/17/07 -0800, rjkent at comcast.net wrote: >>>> Tom, I have a TDK HD-01 that I bought in the late 80s or early 90s. I havent used it in ages (I use the HandIMag now), but might try it again. It has a large electromagnet centered on the Rec and PB heads, and another smaller wired device (contact switch ?) on the side of the lead-in idler components. I seem to remember prior discussions about the importance of demagnetizing the pins and guides in the tape path, and it doesnt appear that the TDK unit would do this. However, Ive always thought these parts were stainless steel which is essentially non-magnetic anyway. Does anyone have any input on this question? By the way, the build quality of the TDK HD-01 is quite good. It also has a small LED indicator light to show when it activates. Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Sat Jan 20 13:37:17 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:37:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Message-ID: <200701201238.l0KCbcsO032457@zxe.naks.com> Hello Nak aficionados. Best of luck to you all in 2007. I have a question for the technical knowledgeable. I recently came across a Nakamichi 600 (beautiful machines, still ! ) with a unusual head setup. I have not seen this before. The Record/Playback head sports a large air-gap at the top (away from the audio tracks) and a large adjustment knob at one of the mounts, presumably to adjust azimuth. I took a picture of both a normal head set and this special version for comparison: http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ I marked both unusual features on the special version. I wonder if someone can tell me anything about this. It might be something of a mod. The particular deck is very well preserved but does have a problem with tape travel. So I think something has been done with this machine. Happy listening to the Naks, Henk Schenk Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Jan 20 14:46:09 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:46:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup References: <200701201238.l0KCbcsO032457@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002101c73c99$5782c800$0201a8c0@home> Its looks like a studio used machine with a Mk11 (minus the pad lifter) head in a Mk1 mech, check the record and playback eq circuits to see if they have been changed as well! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: ScHenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Hello Nak aficionados. Best of luck to you all in 2007. I have a question for the technical knowledgeable. I recently came across a Nakamichi 600 (beautiful machines, still ! ) with a unusual head setup. I have not seen this before. The Record/Playback head sports a large air-gap at the top (away from the audio tracks) and a large adjustment knob at one of the mounts, presumably to adjust azimuth. I took a picture of both a normal head set and this special version for comparison: http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ I marked both unusual features on the special version. I wonder if someone can tell me anything about this. It might be something of a mod. The particular deck is very well preserved but does have a problem with tape travel. So I think something has been done with this machine. 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URL: From a-rose at gmx.net Sat Jan 20 17:07:58 2007 From: a-rose at gmx.net (Andreas Rose) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:07:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <200701161100.l0GB06lK019144@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701161100.l0GB06lK019144@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45B23E5E.9090309@gmx.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 20 17:56:21 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:56:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup In-Reply-To: <200701201238.l0KCbcsO032457@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701201238.l0KCbcsO032457@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45B249B5.6020400@peromarta.org> Hi, Well, I don't know nothing about your 600 setup, but I am going to add your site to my links list right away !! Best rgds, LP. ScHenk wrote: > Hello Nak aficionados. Best of luck to you all in 2007. > > > > I have a question for the technical knowledgeable. I recently came > across a Nakamichi 600 (beautiful machines, still ! ) with a unusual > head setup. I have not seen this before. The Record/Playback head sports > a large air-gap at the top (away from the audio tracks) and a large > adjustment knob at one of the mounts, presumably to adjust azimuth. > > > > I took a picture of both a normal head set and this special version for > comparison: http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ > > I marked both unusual features on the special version. > > > > I wonder if someone can tell me anything about this. It might be > something of a mod. The particular deck is very well preserved but does > have a problem with tape travel. So I think something has been done with > this machine. > > > > Happy listening to the Naks, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *//* > > */Welcome to yet another Nakamichi Cassette Deck Web outlet !/* > > > This site is not affiliated with Nakamichi. It is meant to help keeping > the Cassette Decks made by Nakamichi alive.*//* > > > > This Nakamichi Cassette Deck webpage is maintained and created by Henk > Schenk. I am living in the Netherlands and some of the hints and tips > relate to available resources in this part of Europe. I tried to > translate all my writings in English as correct as I can. > > > > If you want to use a picture or information from any Nakamichi deck from > this site you are free to do so. It would be nice if you add a link to > this website! This is a 100% non-profit website. > > > > > [Often asked questions for Nakamichi cassette decks] > [Often required repairs for Nakamichi decks] [Some > special classic Nakamichi decks] > [Interesting links] [Author's story] > [Gear from other brands] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakamichi and the Nakamichi logo are registered trademarks of Nakamichi > Japan. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Sun Jan 21 14:42:21 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:42:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Sorry not to have got back to you earlier on your mail. The lively, upbeat performance from the great UD XLII of the pre-April 1984 period does indeed make an impression. In this type, Hitachi-Maxell did not use black magnetite as they do from the mid eighties onwards; they used a form of single crystal goethite which was applied in a process called chemical vapour deposition epitaxy, which they simply called "high epitaxial". One of the advantages of this process was to combine the crystalline magnetic particles with a cobalt dope suspension prior to deposition rather than to separate the process. One of the positive effects was to prevent the breakdown of the polyurethane in the binder (into a free urethane) by reducing the work the binder had to do, or basically to make its contribution to the tape integrity partly redundant. You have probably already noticed the extraordinarily long life of these tapes. This is a bare-bones description of the method of manufacture as it relates to the tape type. Maxell were not alone in this approach * Sony also used single crystal gamma epitaxy in their HF-S and HF-ES, as well as at one stage a deposition of uniaxial (ellipsoid) particles for the UX family. Kazutoshi Kitajima, Toma Fujita, Norihito Sogoshi, and Seiichiro Nakabayashi have since done further important work in the field of sythesising magnetic composite particles of gamma-FE2O3. Anyway, the old UD XLII is not the same as XLII-S. All the new XL family, as well as UDII use black magnetite primarily * an additional hydrogen ion on goethite. Also, the particles are uniform only on the UD, but on XLII and XLII-S have ratios of uneven particle size to achieve a rising sensitivity. This is not simply FE3O4 therefore, but Fe3O4 0 H2O >> H2O + Fe3O4. N.B. This is the primary but not the exclusive elemental component in the XL family coating. Congratulations on your purchase of new and new/old tapes. The noticeable difference between the older formula UD XLII and XLII-S is twofold (all else being equal * source, recorder, programme material): (1) The older tape is slightly underbiased and therefore will sound, without offsetting calibration, somewhat brighter that the new XLII-S. (2) The newer XLII-S has a slightly fuller, richer bass which makes the otherwise bright balance less noticeable. Good luck with your collection Andrew. I too can't resist the great Maxell high-position tapes * both then and now. Marc >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 1/17/2007 6:12:01 AM >>> Hello, This email couldn't have come at a better time for me; I had just recently stocked up on new Maxell XL-II C-60 tapes seeing that even those have been hard to find but I have been looking for something better than the XL-II to use on my CR-7A. I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. Thanks for a great read! Andrew The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 21 15:47:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:47:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <45B23E5E.9090309@gmx.net> References: <200701161100.l0GB06lK019144@zxe.naks.com> <45B23E5E.9090309@gmx.net> Message-ID: <45B37D01.60200@rcn.com> Careful!!! The original question had to do with the idler on a Nakamichi ORIGINAL transport, while the link addresses the Sankyo transport. These two transports are quite different. -- Ron Andreas Rose wrote: > Hello, > see this: > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Sankyo%20Idler > Regards, Andreas > > > naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Has anybody on the list replaced the tyre on the idler wheel in a deck >> such as the ZX-9. I have changed my counter 2, control motor, and >> capstan belt with no problems at all, but I don't really want to >> remove the entire transport assembly, to access the idler. Is there >> another way?? I would think that removing the transport would cause >> some mechanical tolerances to be upset. >> >> >> >> Any comments? >> >> >> >> Thanks and regards >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> /*/David King/*/ >> >> Manager >> >> Audio Visual Services >> >> Division of ICT >> >> University of Southern Queensland >> >> Tel: 07-46312490 >> >> E-mail: kingd at usq.edu.au From flifton at mac.com Sun Jan 21 20:35:03 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:35:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <200701211100.l0LB03ub013041@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701211100.l0LB03ub013041@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> Hi Nakkers, This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models are good? What features are needed? thanks, Fred (who still has lot to learn) From tomas at tlec.se Sun Jan 21 21:08:54 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:08:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> Message-ID: Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the best scope ever made. It will fullfill all your basic needs. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it to my e-mail address Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > Hi Nakkers, > This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going > to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about > audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models > are good? > What features are needed? > thanks, > Fred (who still has lot to learn) > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 21 21:31:01 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B3CD85.1090506@rcn.com> Tomas stole the words out of my mouth :-). The Tek 565B (don't go for the A version) is one excellent 'scope. It's probably more 'scope than you need for basic audio work but once you get into digital audio the basic run of the mill 'scopes are worthless. Easily worth the current going price. I got mine, calibrated (a huge plus!) for $150. -- Ron Tomas Larsson wrote: > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the best scope ever made. It > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebaman.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it to my e-mail > address > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope >> >> Hi Nakkers, >> This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going >> to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about >> audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models >> are good? >> What features are needed? >> thanks, >> Fred (who still has lot to learn) From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 21:35:33 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:35:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: References: <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110701211235n2aad6efdne1311eeb46598e78@mail.gmail.com> I second that, or at least older TEK 45x models. I picked up a TEK 454A solid-state last year for under a hundred bucks on eBay and am thrilled with it. Easily exceeds its performance specs and has sharper traces than a lot of later models. Also, these earlier models didn't incorporate TEK-produced ICs which makes them easier to get parts for. -Tim On 1/21/07, Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the best scope ever made. It > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebaman.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it to my > e-mail > address > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > > > Hi Nakkers, > > This is a question for the techs out there. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 21 21:38:46 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:38:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <45B3CD85.1090506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <430393.74800.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Reminds me I was looking for a scope a few months ago(And just forgot about it)... Any other 400 series Tektronics scopes recommended? A local used test equipment store has these: 464/DM44, 465, 465/DM44, 465B, 465M, 466, 468 w/ DMM, 475, 475/DM44, 475A, 475A/DM44, 485 But list the 465B as defective. --- Ron a écrit : > > Tomas stole the words out of my mouth :-). The Tek > 565B > (don't go for the A version) is one excellent > 'scope. > It's probably more 'scope than you need for basic > audio > work but once you get into digital audio the basic > run > of the mill 'scopes are worthless. Easily worth the > current going price. I got mine, calibrated (a huge > plus!) for $150. > > -- Ron > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the > best scope ever made. It > > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ebaman.com > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com > service. and send it to my e-mail > > address > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > Fred Lifton > >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > >> > >> Hi Nakkers, > >> This is a question for the techs out there. If > you were going > >> to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to > learn more about > >> audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? > Which models > >> are good? > >> What features are needed? > >> thanks, > >> Fred (who still has lot to learn) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Jan 21 21:41:58 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?iso-8859-1?q?Antoine=20Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:41:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <430393.74800.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <130602.97726.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In fact... here's the list http://www.select-test.com/HTML/frmDisplayGrid.aspx?Type=cat&Data=OS --- Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > Reminds me I was looking for a scope a few months > ago(And just forgot about it)... > > Any other 400 series Tektronics scopes recommended? > > A local used test equipment store has these: > 464/DM44, 465, 465/DM44, 465B, 465M, 466, 468 w/ > DMM, > 475, 475/DM44, 475A, 475A/DM44, 485 > > But list the 465B as defective. > > --- Ron a écrit : > > > > > Tomas stole the words out of my mouth :-). The Tek > > 565B > > (don't go for the A version) is one excellent > > 'scope. > > It's probably more 'scope than you need for basic > > audio > > work but once you get into digital audio the basic > > run > > of the mill 'scopes are worthless. Easily worth > the > > current going price. I got mine, calibrated (a > huge > > plus!) for $150. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the > > best scope ever made. It > > > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ebaman.com > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com > > service. and send it to my e-mail > > > address > > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > > Fred Lifton > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > >> > > >> Hi Nakkers, > > >> This is a question for the techs out there. If > > you were going > > >> to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to > > learn more about > > >> audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look > for? > > Which models > > >> are good? > > >> What features are needed? > > >> thanks, > > >> Fred (who still has lot to learn) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la > meilleure protection possible contre les messages > non nollicités > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Antoine Deschênes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non nollicités http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jan 21 22:39:49 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:39:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> References: <200701211100.l0LB03ub013041@zxe.naks.com> <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> Message-ID: <45B3DDA5.1080808@peromarta.org> Hi Fred, I just got me a brand new TEK TDS2004, so my old Fluke/Philips 60MHz dual trace, dual time base, auto-configuring scope has to go. Two 1x-10x philips / fluke probes included. Everything in excelent condition (few minor marks and scraches but hey! it's bench gear!) I was going to put it on ebay soon, but if you are interested we can sure arrange something. Best rgds, LP. Fred Lifton wrote: > Hi Nakkers, > This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going to buy a > used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about audio > diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models are good? What > features are needed? > thanks, > Fred (who still has lot to learn) > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kingd at usq.edu.au Sun Jan 21 23:01:07 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:01:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 20 Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199CC6@babbage.usq.edu.au> Yes thanks Ron I did notice that. The original transport which of course the ZX-9 is, is certainly not designed for easy tyre replacement. Good thing this tyre is thicker and seems to last a lot longer. Naks are generally quite well designed and built, but to have to remove and disassemble the transport to replace a consumable item is a little strange to my way of thinking. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 20 Careful!!! The original question had to do with the idler on a Nakamichi ORIGINAL transport, while the link addresses the Sankyo transport. These two transports are quite different. -- Ron -----------------========= This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 22 01:27:38 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:27:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <130602.97726.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <130602.97726.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B404FA.2020306@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > In fact... here's the list > http://www.select-test.com/HTML/frmDisplayGrid.aspx?Type=cat&Data=OS > > --- Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > >> Reminds me I was looking for a scope a few months >> ago(And just forgot about it)... >> >> Any other 400 series Tektronics scopes recommended? >> >> A local used test equipment store has these: >> 464/DM44, 465, 465/DM44, 465B, 465M, 466, 468 w/ >> DMM, >> 475, 475/DM44, 475A, 475A/DM44, 485 >> >> But list the 465B as defective. Depending on what the defect is and how much they want for it, it may be a real good deal for a do it yourselfer. Tomas has the service manual on his web site. -- Ron >> >> --- Ron a écrit : >> >>> Tomas stole the words out of my mouth :-). The Tek >>> 565B >>> (don't go for the A version) is one excellent >>> 'scope. >>> It's probably more 'scope than you need for basic >>> audio >>> work but once you get into digital audio the basic >>> run >>> of the mill 'scopes are worthless. Easily worth >> the >>> current going price. I got mine, calibrated (a >> huge >>> plus!) for $150. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> Tomas Larsson wrote: >>>> Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the >>> best scope ever made. It >>>> will fullfill all your basic needs. >>>> >>>> With best regards >>>> >>>> Tomas Larsson >>>> Sweden >>>> http://www.tlec.se >>>> http://www.ebaman.com >>>> http://www.ktl.mine.nu >>>> http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. >>>> For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com >>> service. and send it to my e-mail >>>> address >>>> Excellent and cheap hosting, use >>> http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >>>> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >>> Fred Lifton >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope >>>>> >>>>> Hi Nakkers, >>>>> This is a question for the techs out there. If >>> you were going >>>>> to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to >>> learn more about >>>>> audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look >> for? >>> Which models >>>>> are good? >>>>> What features are needed? >>>>> thanks, >>>>> Fred (who still has lot to learn) From bernardsda at hotmail.com Mon Jan 22 02:26:59 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:26:59 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 04:34:50 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:34:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <430393.74800.qm@web36209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <105839.42642.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All the scopes you listed are excellent. I've had a couple 465's and I've had a 468 (there is no DMM option, some people mistake the hump as a DM44 which is an option on the 465 and 475's, but, not on the 468, the hump is for the digital functions). The 468 is cool because it's one of Teks first digital storage scopes. It's a hybrid, performing just like a 465B in analog mode and with a press of a button it turns into digital storage scope with 10MHz single shot bandwidth (100MHz for repetitive waveforms). It has the best of both worlds, except it's at least another 10 pounds heavier than the 465 which is no lightweight. The 475 is identical to the 465 but, twice the bandwidth (100MHz vs 200 MHz). The 485 is the top of the line, 350 MHz bandwidth. I'd love to get one of those. Awesome scope. The first time I saw one I stared at it for probably 5 minutes admiring it and trying to figure out how to turn the darn thing on! The 466 is a analog storage version of the 465. Nice if you need it, but, tricky to setup and use the storage feature. They are more complex internally. I have a 7313 storage scope mainframe which doesn't work in storage anymore, but, still works in non-storage mode. One problem with all the 400 series scopes is component failure. I've had two 465's and both needed repair. I think one was blowing fuses because of a shorted tantalum cap and I can't remember why the other was bad, but, in any case they were easily repaired. Not an easy repair job if you're a novice however. Tantalum caps for Tektronix is kinda like orange capacitors for Nakamichi. They fail just due to age. I also have a Tek 2220, DSA602 and a couple of 305's. Oh yeah and a boat anchor, HP 1740. The 2220 is really nice because like the 468 it's analog and digital storage, it came out about 10-15 years later and is a lot lighter. A lot nicer for taking with you on the road. I had a 2230 which I gave to my dad. It's even nicer than the 2220 with higher bandwidth and on screen cursors. The DSA602 is a monster. Came out in 1990 and cost about $28,500 when new (plus another $4,000 for a 11A72 2-ch, 1 GHz plug-in) . The scope can take up to 12 channels at 1 GHz bandwidth, digital storage, color touchscreen and weights 85 pounds. Very sophistocated and nearly impossible to use. I got it almost a month ago and still haven't gotten comfortable using it and probably never will. User interface totally blows. The 305 is a cute little scope. 5 MHz bandwidth, 2-channel, capable of running on 110VAC, 220VAC, 9-32VDC external power or from internal NiCd batteries (which most units don't have anymore). It weights about 10 pounds (w/o batteries) and has a built in DMM for measuring DC Volts, AC Volts and ohms. When I go on travel and need a scope the 305 goes with me. It's bigger brother, the 335 is really nice too. 35 MHz bandwidth in the same size package, but, lacks the built in DMM. Scott J. --- Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Reminds me I was looking for a scope a few months > ago(And just forgot about it)... > > Any other 400 series Tektronics scopes recommended? > > A local used test equipment store has these: > 464/DM44, 465, 465/DM44, 465B, 465M, 466, 468 w/ DMM, > 475, 475/DM44, 475A, 475A/DM44, 485 > > But list the 465B as defective. > > --- Ron a écrit : > > > > > Tomas stole the words out of my mouth :-). The Tek > > 565B > > (don't go for the A version) is one excellent > > 'scope. > > It's probably more 'scope than you need for basic > > audio > > work but once you get into digital audio the basic > > run > > of the mill 'scopes are worthless. Easily worth the > > current going price. I got mine, calibrated (a huge > > plus!) for $150. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the > > best scope ever made. It > > > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ebaman.com > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com > > service. and send it to my e-mail > > > address > > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > > Fred Lifton > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > >> > > >> Hi Nakkers, > > >> This is a question for the techs out there. If > > you were going > > >> to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to > > learn more about > > >> audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? > > Which models > > >> are good? > > >> What features are needed? > > >> thanks, > > >> Fred (who still has lot to learn) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Courriel vous offre la meilleure > protection possible contre les messages non nollicités > http://mail.yahoo.ca Yahoo! Courriel > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 04:50:34 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:50:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110701211235n2aad6efdne1311eeb46598e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <954127.47718.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're right. The 454A does have a sharper trace. The later scopes used CRTs that had things in them to make the trace brighter for very fast single shot sweeps. This made the trace thicker or not as sharp in the process. You are also correct, the 454 doesn't use special Tek ICs, but, the 454 does use little tiny vacuum tubes on the input stage that are very expensive and hard to come by. They are nuvistor's in little metal can packages that resemble TO-5 transistors. My dad had to replace one in his 454 and it cost about ($45) half what he paid for the scope. It also uses a fairly rare and expensive tunnel diode in the trigger section. Neither of these items are particularly common failure items for this scope. This scope was discontinued around 1974 which makes it 32+ years old. Most of the electronics will likely last another 32 years, but, you will need to watch out for electrolytic caps drying out. --- Tim Skorick wrote: > I second that, or at least older TEK 45x models. I picked up a TEK > 454A > solid-state last year for under a hundred bucks on eBay and am > thrilled with > it. Easily exceeds its performance specs and has sharper traces > than a lot > of later models. Also, these earlier models didn't incorporate > TEK-produced > ICs which makes them easier to get parts for. > > -Tim > > On 1/21/07, Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the best scope ever > made. It > > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > http://www.tlec.se > > http://www.ebaman.com > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it > to my > > e-mail > > address > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > > > > > Hi Nakkers, > > > This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going > > > to buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about > > > audio diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models > > > are good? > > > What features are needed? > > > thanks, > > > Fred (who still has lot to learn) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > > > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From tomas at tlec.se Mon Jan 22 08:53:26 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:53:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <954127.47718.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The most common (I think) problem with the 465, as well as all other old scopes (and electronics), is dried out filter-caps in the power-supply, they are easy to fix, but the scope neesd to be dis-manteled. One thing that could create some head-ache if you don't know it, (after this however you know) is that TEK used the metal-can in the caps as a "Jumper" which means that the can was soldered to the PCB in three positions (the fixing-tabs for the can) and it connected up these three connections with each other. When replacing, these three soldering-points needs to be connected with some wire soldred to the board. One fairly common thing as well, is blown rectifiers in the power-section as well, When I got my 465B it did have bad caps in the power-supply, as well as a very strange problem, that was extremly difficult to track, but easy to fix: When the scope was geting warm, the trace was distordet, but only when the case was on, hence impossible to track. I finally had to build a box around it, and use a hair-dryer to heat the thingy up, before I found it, a blown transistor-array in the cooling fan circuit, replaced by four ordinary 2N3704' or whatever I had in my drawer. Since then it has been working like a charm. My other scope is a 7603 Mainframe with a 7D20 digital plug-in, this one is awesome, 70 MHz repetitive bandwidth Six wave-form memories, simple math, like time and voltage, etc and HPIB interface. One thing that "shocked" me, was when I got my Fluke 8840 DWM, because I thought it was broken, when applying voltage to the terminals and dis-connecting the test-leads, the voltage is displayed for hours, slowly over a period fo some 10 hours or so decaying. It is the extreme high impendance of this instument that "holds" the sample, a very good example of a extremly high quality instrument. I have personally bought all my intruments on auction, like ebay, with very good result, my last purchase was a Wavetek 20 MHz function generator, but be aware that prices sometimes are high, stupid high, so watch the prices, beware of transportation-costs since most of these "boat-anchors" are heavy, very heavy. Regarding TEK and HP, there are two very good groups on YAHOO, where you can get help. Manuals are avaible, HP has started to re-collect manuals, and they are avaible on there web-site, the same with FLUKE. TEK is a little bit more difficult, since TEK doesn't supply them themselves, but sites like BAMA, my up-comming site EBAMAN, has them, and as someone mentioned before, you'll find the 465B manual on my site plus the 7603/7D20 OM and Service. My version of the 465B is a modified BAMA version, and my version is more complete than the BAMA one (it was missing a couple of pages with schematics and waveforms) which I gathered and re-assembled it, I also converted it from djvu-format to pdf. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it to my e-mail address Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 4:51 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > You're right. The 454A does have a sharper trace. The later > scopes used CRTs that had things in them to make the trace > brighter for very fast single shot sweeps. This made the > trace thicker or not as sharp in the process. You are also > correct, the 454 doesn't use special Tek ICs, but, the 454 > does use little tiny vacuum tubes on the input stage that are > very expensive and hard to come by. They are nuvistor's in > little metal can packages that resemble TO-5 transistors. My > dad had to replace one in his 454 and it cost about > ($45) half what he paid for the scope. It also uses a fairly > rare and expensive tunnel diode in the trigger section. > Neither of these items are particularly common failure items > for this scope. This scope was discontinued around 1974 > which makes it 32+ years old. > Most of the electronics will likely last another 32 years, > but, you will need to watch out for electrolytic caps drying out. > > > > --- Tim Skorick wrote: > > > I second that, or at least older TEK 45x models. I picked up a TEK > > 454A solid-state last year for under a hundred bucks on eBay and am > > thrilled with it. Easily exceeds its performance specs and has > > sharper traces than a lot of later models. Also, these > earlier models > > didn't incorporate TEK-produced ICs which makes them easier to get > > parts for. > > > > -Tim > > > > On 1/21/07, Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > > > > Try to get hold of a TEK 465B, it's probably the best scope ever > > made. It > > > will fullfill all your basic needs. > > > > > > With best regards > > > > > > Tomas Larsson > > > Sweden > > > http://www.tlec.se > > > http://www.ebaman.com > > > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > > > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > > > For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it > > to my > > > e-mail > > > address > > > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > > > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Lifton > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:35 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope > > > > > > > > Hi Nakkers, > > > > This is a question for the techs out there. If you were > going to > > > > buy a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more > about audio > > > > diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models > are good? > > > > What features are needed? > > > > thanks, > > > > Fred (who still has lot to learn) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > Register your Nak today! > > > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your > > > account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 13:27:37 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:27:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c73e20$b487e930$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Marc, Thanks for the response, I really appreciate the information. Now I know why I liked to use the UD XL-II tapes so much :-) I had also been wondering about the UDX-II and UDS-II tapes that were made in the mid 80's, the information on the tape liner states it is made with the fine epitaxial magnetic particles like the liner notes for the UD XL-II tapes do. The tape in the UDX and UDS tapes look the same but the UD XL-II tape is lighter in color. My guess on this is that Maxell just used the fine epitaxial particles on other tapes made in the same time frame just the application differed. Thanks, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:42 AM To: oldbluesman at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Hi Andrew, Sorry not to have got back to you earlier on your mail. The lively, upbeat performance from the great UD XLII of the pre-April 1984 period does indeed make an impression. In this type, Hitachi-Maxell did not use black magnetite as they do from the mid eighties onwards; they used a form of single crystal goethite which was applied in a process called chemical vapour deposition epitaxy, which they simply called "high epitaxial". One of the advantages of this process was to combine the crystalline magnetic particles with a cobalt dope suspension prior to deposition rather than to separate the process. One of the positive effects was to prevent the breakdown of the polyurethane in the binder (into a free urethane) by reducing the work the binder had to do, or basically to make its contribution to the tape integrity partly redundant. You have probably already noticed the extraordinarily long life of these tapes. This is a bare-bones description of the method of manufacture as it relates to the tape type. Maxell were not alone in this approach * Sony also used single crystal gamma epitaxy in their HF-S and HF-ES, as well as at one stage a deposition of uniaxial (ellipsoid) particles for the UX family. Kazutoshi Kitajima, Toma Fujita, Norihito Sogoshi, and Seiichiro Nakabayashi have since done further important work in the field of sythesising magnetic composite particles of gamma-FE2O3. Anyway, the old UD XLII is not the same as XLII-S. All the new XL family, as well as UDII use black magnetite primarily * an additional hydrogen ion on goethite. Also, the particles are uniform only on the UD, but on XLII and XLII-S have ratios of uneven particle size to achieve a rising sensitivity. This is not simply FE3O4 therefore, but Fe3O4 0 H2O >> H2O + Fe3O4. N.B. This is the primary but not the exclusive elemental component in the XL family coating. Congratulations on your purchase of new and new/old tapes. The noticeable difference between the older formula UD XLII and XLII-S is twofold (all else being equal * source, recorder, programme material): (1) The older tape is slightly underbiased and therefore will sound, without offsetting calibration, somewhat brighter that the new XLII-S. (2) The newer XLII-S has a slightly fuller, richer bass which makes the otherwise bright balance less noticeable. Good luck with your collection Andrew. I too can't resist the great Maxell high-position tapes * both then and now. Marc >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 1/17/2007 6:12:01 AM >>> Hello, This email couldn't have come at a better time for me; I had just recently stocked up on new Maxell XL-II C-60 tapes seeing that even those have been hard to find but I have been looking for something better than the XL-II to use on my CR-7A. I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. Thanks for a great read! Andrew The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 22 15:10:05 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:10:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007: UD-XII and UD-SII Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Your'e on the right track!! The UDX-II and UDS-II were variants within the type II category aimed at various levels in the marketplace. These were ultimately consolidated into UD-II. Formulae were variations on a theme and some economies were taken with shell design and structure, as well as with particle type and size ratios - sometimes referred to as "orientation". These offshoots within a category would last some years and did not usually feature throughout the history of the brand. TDK ran SD, SF, AD-X, HD-S and various other oddities for some years as well - SF for instance being particularly resilient to heat and therefore perfect in cars - but bearing "last year's" SA formulation. That one was comparatively long-lived . All the best- Marc >>> "Andrew Jones" 1/22/2007 2:27:37 PM >>> Marc, Thanks for the response, I really appreciate the information. Now I know why I liked to use the UD XL-II tapes so much :-) I had also been wondering about the UDX-II and UDS-II tapes that were made in the mid 80's, the information on the tape liner states it is made with the fine epitaxial magnetic particles like the liner notes for the UD XL-II tapes do. The tape in the UDX and UDS tapes look the same but the UD XL-II tape is lighter in color. My guess on this is that Maxell just used the fine epitaxial particles on other tapes made in the same time frame just the application differed. Thanks, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:42 AM To: oldbluesman at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Hi Andrew, Sorry not to have got back to you earlier on your mail. The lively, upbeat performance from the great UD XLII of the pre-April 1984 period does indeed make an impression. In this type, Hitachi-Maxell did not use black magnetite as they do from the mid eighties onwards; they used a form of single crystal goethite which was applied in a process called chemical vapour deposition epitaxy, which they simply called "high epitaxial". One of the advantages of this process was to combine the crystalline magnetic particles with a cobalt dope suspension prior to deposition rather than to separate the process. One of the positive effects was to prevent the breakdown of the polyurethane in the binder (into a free urethane) by reducing the work the binder had to do, or basically to make its contribution to the tape integrity partly redundant. You have probably already noticed the extraordinarily long life of these tapes. This is a bare-bones description of the method of manufacture as it relates to the tape type. Maxell were not alone in this approach * Sony also used single crystal gamma epitaxy in their HF-S and HF-ES, as well as at one stage a deposition of uniaxial (ellipsoid) particles for the UX family. Kazutoshi Kitajima, Toma Fujita, Norihito Sogoshi, and Seiichiro Nakabayashi have since done further important work in the field of sythesising magnetic composite particles of gamma-FE2O3. Anyway, the old UD XLII is not the same as XLII-S. All the new XL family, as well as UDII use black magnetite primarily * an additional hydrogen ion on goethite. Also, the particles are uniform only on the UD, but on XLII and XLII-S have ratios of uneven particle size to achieve a rising sensitivity. This is not simply FE3O4 therefore, but Fe3O4 0 H2O >> H2O + Fe3O4. N.B. This is the primary but not the exclusive elemental component in the XL family coating. Congratulations on your purchase of new and new/old tapes. The noticeable difference between the older formula UD XLII and XLII-S is twofold (all else being equal * source, recorder, programme material): (1) The older tape is slightly underbiased and therefore will sound, without offsetting calibration, somewhat brighter that the new XLII-S. (2) The newer XLII-S has a slightly fuller, richer bass which makes the otherwise bright balance less noticeable. Good luck with your collection Andrew. I too can't resist the great Maxell high-position tapes * both then and now. Marc >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 1/17/2007 6:12:01 AM >>> Hello, This email couldn't have come at a better time for me; I had just recently stocked up on new Maxell XL-II C-60 tapes seeing that even those have been hard to find but I have been looking for something better than the XL-II to use on my CR-7A. I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. Thanks for a great read! Andrew The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 15:27:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:27:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup In-Reply-To: <200701201238.l0KCbcsO032457@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070122082705.00847b00@earthlink.net> Henk, I agree the big knob has been added, but I think that is a well worn stock head. The wear is easily past the point where relapping is possible, and the top area may be different metal around the pole pieces being exposed. tom brucker At 01:37 PM 1/20/07 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Hello Nak aficionados. Best of luck to you all in 2007. I have a question for the technical knowledgeable. I recently came across a Nakamichi 600 (beautiful machines, still ! ) with a unusual head setup. I have not seen this before. The Record/Playback head sports a large air-gap at the top (away from the audio tracks) and a large adjustment knob at one of the mounts, presumably to adjust azimuth. I took a picture of both a normal head set and this special version for comparison: http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ I marked both unusual features on the special version. I wonder if someone can tell me anything about this. It might be something of a mod. The particular deck is very well preserved but does have a problem with tape travel. So I think something has been done with this machine. Happy listening to the Naks, Henk Schenk Netherlands Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\index.htm" ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 22 16:18:04 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:18:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUF. OVERVIEW 2007: Maxell MS-Pro Message-ID: Hi Bernard, MS-Pro is more or less synonymous with XLII, as SM is the Pro version of SA. MS-Pro, roughly speaking is an XLII in XLII-S clothing - although it's not an identical shell to it has all the internal shell component upgrades of the XLII-S and has many common visual characteristics. Specifically, it has the High Resonance-Damping mech. with the dual damping slip sheets (a rather effective approach to eliminating layer-fluctuation during run and wind modes and putting paid to uneven tape packing, resonance issues, shell induced scrape flutter etc). There's also the fixed low distortion screening shield of XLII-S. However the shell is not made out of the heat resistant composite used in the full-dress XLII-S. Why are the new Pro-series chrome and not metal ? It's really a threefold thing - one is cost to manufacture metals. Taking for instance a TDK MA: the Neodymium-Iron-Boron alloy is of extreme purity and not at all cheap; to make a commercially viable run requires a lot of planning and set-up costs and I would imagine they would need sizeable advance orders. The resultant price the public would have to pay (which they wouldn't want to pay because the bulk of tape buyers now are in the convenience/voice recording market) might be a bit high. Fiinally, the cassette decks predominantly for sale new now would under-perform with type IV. I also think that studios, sound engineers, theatre managers (the ones I know), musicians and the like have a need for something that sounds good on a Tascam 112/122 - and their objectives differ from audiophiles. In general, they want to match or slightly exceed the requirements of the FM type II standard and the above machine with a MS-Pro/SM will do the job. Whether there is a niche market for one or two metals now is a matter for debate - possibly there is, but perhaps only one, and I haven't thought about it. After all, there remains a niche market for vinyl buyers and its not just the disco and trance market. Some sources say its growing. Cheers - Marc >>> bernardsda at hotmail.com 1/22/2007 3:26:59 AM >>> That's interesting, Marc. I haven't seen mention of the new Maxell MS Pro series: how do they compare with the new XLII-S, and do you know anything about their composition? TDK also have a Pro series today - the SM. I think it was mentioned earlier on this thread. I wonder if anyone has experience with these?? It's interesting that the Pro series of both Maxell and TDK now are chrome, and not metal. Any reason for that that you can think of? Thanks, Bernard From: "Marc Hugo" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: , Subject: RE: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:42:21 +0200 >Hi Andrew, > >Sorry not to have got back to you earlier on your mail. > >The lively, upbeat performance from the great UD XLII of the pre-April 1984 period does indeed make an impression. In this type, Hitachi-Maxell did not use black magnetite as they do from the mid eighties onwards; they used a form of single crystal goethite which was applied in a process called chemical vapour deposition epitaxy, which they simply called "high epitaxial". One of the advantages of this process was to combine the crystalline magnetic particles with a cobalt dope suspension prior to deposition rather than to separate the process. One of the positive effects was to prevent the breakdown of the polyurethane in the binder (into a free urethane) by reducing the work the binder had to do, or basically to make its contribution to the tape integrity partly redundant. You have probably already noticed the extraordinarily long life of these tapes. This is a bare-bones description of the method of manufacture as it relates to the tape type. Maxell were not alone in ! > this approach * Sony also used single crystal gamma epitaxy in their HF-S and HF-ES, as well as at one stage a deposition of uniaxial (ellipsoid) particles for the UX family. Kazutoshi Kitajima, Toma Fujita, Norihito Sogoshi, and Seiichiro Nakabayashi have since done further important work in the field of sythesising magnetic composite particles of gamma-FE2O3. > >Anyway, the old UD XLII is not the same as XLII-S. All the new XL family, as well as UDII use black magnetite primarily * an additional hydrogen ion on goethite. Also, the particles are uniform only on the UD, but on XLII and XLII-S have ratios of uneven particle size to achieve a rising sensitivity. This is not simply FE3O4 therefore, but Fe3O4 0 H2O >> H2O + Fe3O4. N.B. This is the primary but not the exclusive elemental component in the XL family coating. > >Congratulations on your purchase of new and new/old tapes. > >The noticeable difference between the older formula UD XLII and XLII-S is twofold (all else being equal * source, recorder, programme material): (1) The older tape is slightly underbiased and therefore will sound, without offsetting calibration, somewhat brighter that the new XLII-S. (2) The newer XLII-S has a slightly fuller, richer bass which makes the otherwise bright balance less noticeable. > >Good luck with your collection Andrew. I too can't resist the great Maxell high-position tapes * both then and now. > >Marc > > > >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 1/17/2007 6:12:01 AM >>> >Hello, >This email couldn't have come at a better time for me; I had just recently >stocked up on new Maxell XL-II C-60 tapes seeing that even those have been >hard to find but I have been looking for something better than the XL-II to >use on my CR-7A. > >I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" >The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound >fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what >everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? >One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the >same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. > >Thanks for a great read! >Andrew > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. 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The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 16:46:18 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:46:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUF. OVERVIEW 2007: Maxell MS-Pro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <454850.31260.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mark we are having a very good topic to discuss after a long time in Naktalk and thanks for initiating it. Reagrding market for Metals, It still exists and would continue to do so. However TDK to manufacture small quantities to fill the void may not be a big problem if they can do that with a subcontractor in China / India probably? However TDK may not bother even if the final retail price of say 10- 12$ today can be realized. I thought that the metal tapes availability in ebay would cease by now but it continues. With nakamichi Decks capable cranking music for another decade, we will miss Metal tapes. I had the opportunity to compare Nakamich metal tapes with identical shell TDK old Tapes. You can see that only the paper label on top of the shell is different! They are identical in bias, level and sound on Nak dragon or CR4. They sound wonderful. It is difficult to get that dynamics still with Chrome or type II tape. Kannan Marc Hugo wrote: Hi Bernard, MS-Pro is more or less synonymous with XLII, as SM is the Pro version of SA. MS-Pro, roughly speaking is an XLII in XLII-S clothing - although it's not an identical shell to it has all the internal shell component upgrades of the XLII-S and has many common visual characteristics. Specifically, it has the High Resonance-Damping mech. with the dual damping slip sheets (a rather effective approach to eliminating layer-fluctuation during run and wind modes and putting paid to uneven tape packing, resonance issues, shell induced scrape flutter etc). There's also the fixed low distortion screening shield of XLII-S. However the shell is not made out of the heat resistant composite used in the full-dress XLII-S. Why are the new Pro-series chrome and not metal ? It's really a threefold thing - one is cost to manufacture metals. Taking for instance a TDK MA: the Neodymium-Iron-Boron alloy is of extreme purity and not at all cheap; to make a commercially viable run requires a lot of planning and set-up costs and I would imagine they would need sizeable advance orders. The resultant price the public would have to pay (which they wouldn't want to pay because the bulk of tape buyers now are in the convenience/voice recording market) might be a bit high. Fiinally, the cassette decks predominantly for sale new now would under-perform with type IV. I also think that studios, sound engineers, theatre managers (the ones I know), musicians and the like have a need for something that sounds good on a Tascam 112/122 - and their objectives differ from audiophiles. In general, they want to match or slightly exceed the requirements of the FM type II standard and the above machine with a MS-P! ro/SM will do the job. Whether there is a niche market for one or two metals now is a matter for debate - possibly there is, but perhaps only one, and I haven't thought about it. After all, there remains a niche market for vinyl buyers and its not just the disco and trance market. Some sources say its growing. Cheers - Marc >>> bernardsda at hotmail.com 1/22/2007 3:26:59 AM >>> That's interesting, Marc. I haven't seen mention of the new Maxell MS Pro series: how do they compare with the new XLII-S, and do you know anything about their composition? TDK also have a Pro series today - the SM. I think it was mentioned earlier on this thread. I wonder if anyone has experience with these?? It's interesting that the Pro series of both Maxell and TDK now are chrome, and not metal. Any reason for that that you can think of? Thanks, Bernard --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From otello206 at aol.com Mon Jan 22 17:35:21 2007 From: otello206 at aol.com (otello doz) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:35:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi NR-10 In-Reply-To: <200701221100.l0MB04Dm000627@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701221100.l0MB04Dm000627@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <45B4E7C9.90501@aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Mon Jan 22 17:40:12 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andy Jones) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:40:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007: UD-XII and UD-SII Message-ID: <19759151.1169484012721.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Marc, Thanks again for the information!! Take care, Andrew -----Original Message----- >From: Marc Hugo >Sent: Jan 22, 2007 8:10 AM >To: oldbluesman at earthlink.net, naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007: UD-XII and UD-SII > >Hi Andrew, > >Your'e on the right track!! The UDX-II and UDS-II were variants within the type II category aimed at various levels in the marketplace. These were ultimately consolidated into UD-II. Formulae were variations on a theme and some economies were taken with shell design and structure, as well as with particle type and size ratios - sometimes referred to as "orientation". These offshoots within a category would last some years and did not usually feature throughout the history of the brand. TDK ran SD, SF, AD-X, HD-S and various other oddities for some years as well - SF for instance being particularly resilient to heat and therefore perfect in cars - but bearing "last year's" SA formulation. That one was comparatively long-lived . > >All the best- Marc > >>>> "Andrew Jones" 1/22/2007 2:27:37 PM >>> >Marc, > >Thanks for the response, I really appreciate the information. >Now I know why I liked to use the UD XL-II tapes so much :-) > >I had also been wondering about the UDX-II and UDS-II tapes that were made >in the mid 80's, the information on the tape liner states it is made with >the fine epitaxial magnetic particles like the liner notes for the UD XL-II >tapes do. The tape in the UDX and UDS tapes look the same but the UD XL-II >tape is lighter in color. My guess on this is that Maxell just used the fine >epitaxial particles on other tapes made in the same time frame just the >application differed. > >Thanks, >Andrew > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] >Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:42 AM >To: oldbluesman at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 > >Hi Andrew, > >Sorry not to have got back to you earlier on your mail. > >The lively, upbeat performance from the great UD XLII of the pre-April 1984 >period does indeed make an impression. In this type, Hitachi-Maxell did not >use black magnetite as they do from the mid eighties onwards; they used a >form of single crystal goethite which was applied in a process called >chemical vapour deposition epitaxy, which they simply called "high >epitaxial". One of the advantages of this process was to combine the >crystalline magnetic particles with a cobalt dope suspension prior to >deposition rather than to separate the process. One of the positive effects >was to prevent the breakdown of the polyurethane in the binder (into a free >urethane) by reducing the work the binder had to do, or basically to make >its contribution to the tape integrity partly redundant. You have probably >already noticed the extraordinarily long life of these tapes. This is a >bare-bones description of the method of manufacture as it relates to the >tape type. Maxell were not alone in this approach * Sony also used single >crystal gamma epitaxy in their HF-S and HF-ES, as well as at one stage a >deposition of uniaxial (ellipsoid) particles for the UX family. Kazutoshi >Kitajima, Toma Fujita, Norihito Sogoshi, and Seiichiro Nakabayashi have >since done further important work in the field of sythesising magnetic >composite particles of gamma-FE2O3. > >Anyway, the old UD XLII is not the same as XLII-S. All the new XL family, >as well as UDII use black magnetite primarily * an additional hydrogen ion >on goethite. Also, the particles are uniform only on the UD, but on XLII >and XLII-S have ratios of uneven particle size to achieve a rising >sensitivity. This is not simply FE3O4 therefore, but Fe3O4 0 H2O >> H2O + >Fe3O4. N.B. This is the primary but not the exclusive elemental component >in the XL family coating. > >Congratulations on your purchase of new and new/old tapes. > >The noticeable difference between the older formula UD XLII and XLII-S is >twofold (all else being equal * source, recorder, programme material): (1) >The older tape is slightly underbiased and therefore will sound, without >offsetting calibration, somewhat brighter that the new XLII-S. (2) The >newer XLII-S has a slightly fuller, richer bass which makes the otherwise >bright balance less noticeable. > >Good luck with your collection Andrew. I too can't resist the great Maxell >high-position tapes * both then and now. > >Marc > > >>>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 1/17/2007 6:12:01 AM >>> >Hello, >This email couldn't have come at a better time for me; I had just recently >stocked up on new Maxell XL-II C-60 tapes seeing that even those have been >hard to find but I have been looking for something better than the XL-II to >use on my CR-7A. > >I found some new old stock Maxell "UDX-II" and "UD XL-II" and "XL-II-S" >The old UDX-II and UD XL-II tapes I have from the late 80's early 90's sound >fantastic on my deck but I never did try any XL-II-S so I was wondering what >everyone thought about those compared to the old "UD XL-II"? >One comment I found on another forum said that the XL-II-S tapes were the >same as the UD XL-II tapes? But I am unable to confirm that. > >Thanks for a great read! >Andrew > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more > >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of >the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, >disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in >reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by >replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your >computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are >present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or >damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. > >The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject >to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more >attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the >named recipient/s. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose >or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. >If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to >this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. > >All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present >in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising >from the use of this email or attachments. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 18:43:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:43:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUF. OVERVIEW 2007: Maxell MS-Pro In-Reply-To: <454850.31260.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <823964.92969.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, How much i agree with you on the nak/tdk tape. has anyone tried denon hd8 metal particle high bias cassettes/ I did, and they are absolutely brilliant with my naks esp the zx 9. I would almost give it a metal tdk ranking the only difference being the record levels and mol on this is slightly below the metals. Great tapes , nevertheless. Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Mark we are having a very good topic to discuss after a long time in Naktalk and thanks for initiating it. Reagrding market for Metals, It still exists and would continue to do so. However TDK to manufacture small quantities to fill the void may not be a big problem if they can do that with a subcontractor in China / India probably? However TDK may not bother even if the final retail price of say 10- 12$ today can be realized. I thought that the metal tapes availability in ebay would cease by now but it continues. With nakamichi Decks capable cranking music for another decade, we will miss Metal tapes. I had the opportunity to compare Nakamich metal tapes with identical shell TDK old Tapes. You can see that only the paper label on top of the shell is different! They are identical in bias, level and sound on Nak dragon or CR4. They sound wonderful. It is difficult to get that dynamics still with Chrome or type II tape. Kannan Marc Hugo wrote: Hi Bernard, MS-Pro is more or less synonymous with XLII, as SM is the Pro version of SA. MS-Pro, roughly speaking is an XLII in XLII-S clothing - although it's not an identical shell to it has all the internal shell component upgrades of the XLII-S and has many common visual characteristics. Specifically, it has the High Resonance-Damping mech. with the dual damping slip sheets (a rather effective approach to eliminating layer-fluctuation during run and wind modes and putting paid to uneven tape packing, resonance issues, shell induced scrape flutter etc). There's also the fixed low distortion screening shield of XLII-S. However the shell is not made out of the heat resistant composite used in the full-dress XLII-S. Why are the new Pro-series chrome and not metal ? It's really a threefold thing - one is cost to manufacture metals. Taking for instance a TDK MA: the Neodymium-Iron-Boron alloy is of extreme purity and not at all cheap; to make a commercially viable run requires a lot of planning and set-up costs and I would imagine they would need sizeable advance orders. The resultant price the public would have to pay (which they wouldn't want to pay because the bulk of tape buyers now are in the convenience/voice recording market) might be a bit high. Fiinally, the cassette decks predominantly for sale new now would under-perform with type IV. I also think that studios, sound engineers, theatre managers (the ones I know), musicians and the like have a need for something that sounds good on a Tascam 112/122 - and their objectives differ from audiophiles. In general, they want to match or slightly exceed the requirements of the FM type II standard and the above machine with a MS-P! ro/SM will do the job. Whether there is a niche market for one or two metals now is a matter for debate - possibly there is, but perhaps only one, and I haven't thought about it. After all, there remains a niche market for vinyl buyers and its not just the disco and trance market. Some sources say its growing. Cheers - Marc >>> bernardsda at hotmail.com 1/22/2007 3:26:59 AM >>> That's interesting, Marc. I haven't seen mention of the new Maxell MS Pro series: how do they compare with the new XLII-S, and do you know anything about their composition? TDK also have a Pro series today - the SM. I think it was mentioned earlier on this thread. I wonder if anyone has experience with these?? It's interesting that the Pro series of both Maxell and TDK now are chrome, and not metal. Any reason for that that you can think of? Thanks, Bernard --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Mon Jan 22 18:58:28 2007 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:58:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: <200701221640.l0MGePWR005837@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: My faithful BX-300 has developed an issue with tape speed control. I've used this deck about 5 hours weekly for a couple of years with no problem until now. Here are the symptoms I've noticed so far: In play mode, previously recorded tapes will slow down after the deck has been playing for a few minutes. Sounds very similar to the batteries wearing out in my portable player. The effect is gradual, but the speed ultimately slows down greatly. If I shut off the deck for a while, it plays normally again for a couple of minutes, then slows down. I am at this moment listening to a tape on my portable that I recorded Saturday night, the evening before the problem showed up. No problems on this tape. I cleaned the capstans and pinch rollers. The pinch rollers were a bit dirty, but nothing serious. I also cleaned the capstan belt and pulleys / flywheels. There seems to plenty of belt tension and grip, but I'm no expert. With my limited analog electronics experience, it seems like something is getting warm and changing characteristics, but before I dig out my freeze mist, I thought a call to the experts would be in order. Any ideas guys? Gary From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Jan 22 20:31:34 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:31:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi NR-100 In-Reply-To: <45B4E7C9.90501@aol.com> References: <200701221100.l0MB04Dm000627@zxe.naks.com> <45B4E7C9.90501@aol.com> Message-ID: <45B51116.6030306@xs4all.nl> Hi Artie, This is a nice one... I also have these but never tried the combination (the NR-100 came with my 1000ZXL). But you are right, the NR-100 should get it's power from the 700ZXE's remote output but this is apparently missing! The loss of power I've discovered also with Scott's remote (great remote btw!), so it's not the remote Scott! But a solution.... Wouter otello doz wrote: > I have been a member for about 2 yrs and recently I acquired a Nak NR > 10 to use with my 700 ZXE, unfortunately I don't know where the NR 10 > gets it 10V DC power from. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Artie > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Jan 22 21:24:24 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:24:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] oscilloscope In-Reply-To: <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> References: <200701211100.l0LB03ub013041@zxe.naks.com> <3F11975B-9085-45CE-9986-4C6DBB278732@mac.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:35:03 -0800, Fred Lifton wrote: >Hi Nakkers, >This is a question for the techs out there. If you were going to buy >a used oscilloscope for a beginner to learn more about audio >diagnosis/repair, what would you look for? Which models are good? >What features are needed? Two channels. And for audio any upper limits in MHz will probably be good. Unless you are doiong tv repairs I guess you really don't need that kind of bandwidth. I'd pick a suitably cheap one that is available locally for pickup and where you can seeit working before buying. Ask if shops too if they have some used equipment they traded in or something. Or ask local schools / companies if they upgrading their equipment. youmight be able to get the right probes and a manual whiel you're at it from a place that has many of the same model and still has a few manuals for them too rather than buying used from one individual who might have misplaced manual and or probes. Also for audio repair it doesn't hurt to ask f they any more equipm,ent that might be clever to buy while you're at it, such as a sweep or tone generator. Doesn't have to be fancy when you're starting out. -Mikkel From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 21:46:04 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:46:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <203364.36684.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Your BX 300 spool drive ( or Reel drive as per nakamichi manual) idler tire is worn out and require replacement. If I am right - Dean in our list is selling nice tires and way to change it in your BX 300. Be alert to avoid breaking the plastic part on the Drive idler while changing You can also do a simple check to adjust the drive torque which may work for a short time. Kannan gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: My faithful BX-300 has developed an issue with tape speed control. I've used this deck about 5 hours weekly for a couple of years with no problem until now. Here are the symptoms I've noticed so far: In play mode, previously recorded tapes will slow down after the deck has been playing for a few minutes. Sounds very similar to the batteries wearing out in my portable player. The effect is gradual, but the speed ultimately slows down greatly. If I shut off the deck for a while, it plays normally again for a couple of minutes, then slows down. I am at this moment listening to a tape on my portable that I recorded Saturday night, the evening before the problem showed up. No problems on this tape. I cleaned the capstans and pinch rollers. The pinch rollers were a bit dirty, but nothing serious. I also cleaned the capstan belt and pulleys / flywheels. There seems to plenty of belt tension and grip, but I'm no expert. With my limited analog electronics experience, it seems like something is getting warm and changing characteristics, but before I dig out my freeze mist, I thought a call to the experts would be in order. Any ideas guys? Gary ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lemas156 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 22 22:03:59 2007 From: lemas156 at yahoo.com (Jeff Lemas) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:03:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Speed Problem (plays too fast) In-Reply-To: <203364.36684.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <939484.32550.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I recently purchased a CR-2A and a BX-300. I tested the machines, buring several pre-recorded cassettes on each deck to cd and then compared them to the original cds. the BX-300 works and sounds fantastic! However, the CR-2A runs a tad too fast. Any suggestions apart from using pitch contol? Thanks! Jeff From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jan 22 22:39:22 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:39:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi NR-100 Message-ID: I have found that the wires for the NR-100 are on the fragile side. I can't seem to find the original on this, could this be the issue? I have one that looks pretty bad cosmetically now on the cables as I put in a new DIN connector (not an easy task, and I wasn't very good at it, but it at least works now).-kby > Hi Artie, > > This is a nice one... > I also have these but never tried the combination (the NR-100 came > with > my 1000ZXL). > But you are right, the NR-100 should get it's power from the 700ZXE's > remote output but this is apparently missing! > The loss of power I've discovered also with Scott's remote (great > remote > btw!), so it's not the remote Scott! > > But a solution.... > > Wouter > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From OTELLO206 at aol.com Mon Jan 22 22:59:56 2007 From: OTELLO206 at aol.com (OTELLO206 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:59:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 29 Message-ID: Hi Wouter the nr unit is in really good condition no fraying on the connectors so I don't think that can be the problem. 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I have one that looks pretty bad cosmetically now > on the cables as I put in a new DIN connector (not an > easy task, and I wasn't very good at it, but it at least works now).-kby > >> Hi Artie, >> >> This is a nice one... >> I also have these but never tried the combination (the NR-100 came with >> my 1000ZXL). >> But you are right, the NR-100 should get it's power from the 700ZXE's >> remote output but this is apparently missing! >> The loss of power I've discovered also with Scott's remote (great remote >> btw!), so it's not the remote Scott! >> >> But a solution.... >> >> Wouter >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 22 23:04:46 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:04:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B534FE.3080204@rcn.com> Gary, There could be a few causes. (I doubt the reel drive or the idler is one of them, though). The easiest to check is dried out capstan bushings. Get some light machine oil (sewing machine oil is OK). Set the deck on it's back. Remove the door. Lift the washer on each capstan by about 1/8". Place one drop of oil on each of the capstan bases. Work each capstan up and down to let the oil seep in. Repeat until no more oil is absorbed. BE CAREFUL NOT TO LET OIL TOUCH THE CAPSTAN ABOVE THE WASHERS. Lower the washers to the base of the capstans and clean the capstans thoroughly. test to see if this solved the problem. Good luck, -- Ron gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > My faithful BX-300 has developed an issue with tape speed control. I've > used this deck about 5 hours weekly for a couple of years with no problem > until now. > > Here are the symptoms I've noticed so far: > > In play mode, previously recorded tapes will slow down after the deck has > been playing for a few minutes. Sounds very similar to the batteries > wearing out in my portable player. The effect is gradual, but the speed > ultimately slows down greatly. If I shut off the deck for a while, it > plays normally again for a couple of minutes, then slows down. I am at > this moment listening to a tape on my portable that I recorded Saturday > night, the evening before the problem showed up. No problems on this tape. > > > I cleaned the capstans and pinch rollers. The pinch rollers were a bit > dirty, but nothing serious. I also cleaned the capstan belt and pulleys / > flywheels. There seems to plenty of belt tension and grip, but I'm no > expert. > > With my limited analog electronics experience, it seems like something is > getting warm and changing characteristics, but before I dig out my freeze > mist, I thought a call to the experts would be in order. Any ideas guys? > > Gary > From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Mon Jan 22 23:25:44 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <017301c73e74$42b5af00$6701a8c0@main> I have a 682ZX that when trying to autocalibrate, it gives a tic tic tic sound rapidly and then goes into blink (can't calibrate azmuith) mode. Does this on all tape types. Heads are demaged and all path parts clean. I have not tried to calibrate the head positions but could buy a set of tapes to use for it and do it if need be. Is this something that I should strongly avoid doing or worth a shot. The test tones are not that far off while recording. Sometimes one channel will flicker a single set of meter led's/ If I playback the test tones after a rewind, the 15 k tone is maybe one pair of leds flickering down one mark from -20 db and the same for 400 cps playback. 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Yap) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:30:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi NR-100 Message-ID: OK, now I understand it at least seems to be a ZXE specific thing. Have you tried measuring the voltage at the DIN plug (I think the pinouts and stuff are in the 1000zxl or 700zxl service manuals on Tomas' site).-kby From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 23 06:38:36 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:38:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL Limited Edition on ebay for 900 GBP buy now Message-ID: Hi George! Don't exist anymore...was REMOVED!!!!! Cheers, Alex! > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:57:45 +0000> From: george.valkov at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL Limited Edition on ebay for 900 GBP buy now> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED-EDITION_W0QQitemZ150084226984QQihZ005QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150084226984> > Such a shame, it's an obvious fraud. 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Cheers, Alex! > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:57:45 +0000> From: george.valkov at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL Limited Edition on ebay for 900 GBP buy now> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED-EDITION_W0QQitemZ150084226984QQihZ005QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150084226984> > Such a shame, it's an obvious fraud. Check out seller's other items.> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= View Athletes' Collections with Live Search. See it! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jan 23 12:54:01 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:54:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi NR-100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B5F759.9000401@xs4all.nl> Hi Kimo, After checking the service manual for the 700ZXE and some measuring (there is 12v in the center connector!) I plugged the NR-100 again and took it in and out a few times and now it works fine! It could have been a dirty remote connector on the 700ZXE... So maybe Artie has the same problem. I'm gonna play a bit with my 'new' NR-100/700ZXE combo. Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > OK, now I understand it at least seems to be a ZXE specific thing. > Have you tried measuring the voltage at the DIN plug (I think the > pinouts and stuff are in the 1000zxl or 700zxl service manuals on > Tomas' site).-kby From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 23 15:58:55 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:58:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems In-Reply-To: <017301c73e74$42b5af00$6701a8c0@main> References: <017301c73e74$42b5af00$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45B622AF.9060606@peromarta.org> The tic - tic sounds like the azimuth motor / wire is trying to go beyond it's limit. I would suggest full cleaning / demag / calibration. Open the deck and manually turn the azimuth motor so the recording head goes back to it's central position. Try to autocalibrate again and report any changes please. Best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I have a 682ZX that when trying to autocalibrate, it gives a tic tic tic > sound rapidly and then goes into blink (can't calibrate azmuith) mode. > Does this on all tape types. Heads are demaged and all path parts > clean. I have not tried to calibrate the head positions but could buy a > set of tapes to use for it and do it if need be. Is this something that > I should strongly avoid doing or worth a shot. The test tones are not > that far off while recording. Sometimes one channel will flicker a > single set of meter led's/ If I playback the test tones after a > rewind, the 15 k tone is maybe one pair of leds flickering down one mark > from -20 db and the same for 400 cps playback. It seems to be close on > those but refuses to believe it is auto azimuth adjusted. Any > suggestions? . > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com Tue Jan 23 16:17:44 2007 From: gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com (gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:17:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: <200701231101.l0NB0pua017653@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions Kannan and Ron. Kannan, Steven Sank, when he serviced my deck, told me I had the gear idler. I looked and confirmed that last night. Ron, I did a simple test last night that convinces me it's not the capstan bearings. When I first turned it on, the speed was normal as expected. I then removed the tape and door and watched how long it took for the capstans to stop spinning after shutting off the unit. It took about 4 seconds. I then put a tape in and played it until the speed had slowed a lot. I then removed the tape and performed the same test. 7 seconds this time! Looks like it's not the capstan bearings either. I'm more convinced now that it's something in the speed control circuitry. I did some digging through stuff I've stored away in my archives "just in case". Someone had painstakingly taken pictures and notes on the Sankyo motor PCB. I think the thing to do is look for temperature sensitivity on that board. I'm guessing that unless I find something simple like a cold solder joint or dirty connector, I'm faced with finding a replacement motor PCB. If anyone sees something glaringly wrong with my thought process, please let me know! Gary From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jan 23 17:10:38 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <636870.43887.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like bearing problem of your Direct Drive capstan motor. If you look at the circuit for Direct drive power feed from the main board- you will notice a series 5.6 Ohm ( i think ) resistor feeding power to Direct Drive motor control circuit. Check to see if it heats up excessively and voltage drops more than 2.5V across this ( 12 V becomes less than 9 V after this resistor). Then the bearing needs cleaning as Ron suggested Kannan gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: Thanks for the suggestions Kannan and Ron. Kannan, Steven Sank, when he serviced my deck, told me I had the gear idler. I looked and confirmed that last night. Ron, I did a simple test last night that convinces me it's not the capstan bearings. When I first turned it on, the speed was normal as expected. I then removed the tape and door and watched how long it took for the capstans to stop spinning after shutting off the unit. It took about 4 seconds. I then put a tape in and played it until the speed had slowed a lot. I then removed the tape and performed the same test. 7 seconds this time! Looks like it's not the capstan bearings either. I'm more convinced now that it's something in the speed control circuitry. I did some digging through stuff I've stored away in my archives "just in case". Someone had painstakingly taken pictures and notes on the Sankyo motor PCB. I think the thing to do is look for temperature sensitivity on that board. I'm guessing that unless I find something simple like a cold solder joint or dirty connector, I'm faced with finding a replacement motor PCB. If anyone sees something glaringly wrong with my thought process, please let me know! Gary ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Still, I would try to lubricate the bearings, just to make absolutely sure. This should be done every time routine maintenance is performed (biannually, more or less), anyway. > I'm more convinced now that it's something in the speed control circuitry. > I did some digging through stuff I've stored away in my archives "just in > case". Someone had painstakingly taken pictures and notes on the Sankyo > motor PCB. Yep, that was me... On that specific occasion I had very similar behaviour to your BX-300. It turned out to be a bad IC on the capstan motor PCB. > I think the thing to do is look for temperature sensitivity on > that board. I'm guessing that unless I find something simple like a cold > solder joint or dirty connector, I'm faced with finding a replacement > motor PCB. If it comes to that, let me know. I think I may have a parts Sankyo transport with a good capstan motor. -- Ron > If anyone sees something glaringly wrong with my thought process, please > let me know! > > Gary From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 23 20:13:33 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:13:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: <45B534FE.3080204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <90621.73746.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I have some clock oil in a syringe. Is this oil OK? Bob Ron wrote: Gary, There could be a few causes. (I doubt the reel drive or the idler is one of them, though). The easiest to check is dried out capstan bushings. Get some light machine oil (sewing machine oil is OK). Set the deck on it's back. Remove the door. Lift the washer on each capstan by about 1/8". Place one drop of oil on each of the capstan bases. Work each capstan up and down to let the oil seep in. Repeat until no more oil is absorbed. BE CAREFUL NOT TO LET OIL TOUCH THE CAPSTAN ABOVE THE WASHERS. Lower the washers to the base of the capstans and clean the capstans thoroughly. test to see if this solved the problem. Good luck, -- Ron gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > My faithful BX-300 has developed an issue with tape speed control. I've > used this deck about 5 hours weekly for a couple of years with no problem > until now. > > Here are the symptoms I've noticed so far: > > In play mode, previously recorded tapes will slow down after the deck has > been playing for a few minutes. Sounds very similar to the batteries > wearing out in my portable player. The effect is gradual, but the speed > ultimately slows down greatly. If I shut off the deck for a while, it > plays normally again for a couple of minutes, then slows down. I am at > this moment listening to a tape on my portable that I recorded Saturday > night, the evening before the problem showed up. No problems on this tape. > > > I cleaned the capstans and pinch rollers. The pinch rollers were a bit > dirty, but nothing serious. I also cleaned the capstan belt and pulleys / > flywheels. There seems to plenty of belt tension and grip, but I'm no > expert. > > With my limited analog electronics experience, it seems like something is > getting warm and changing characteristics, but before I dig out my freeze > mist, I thought a call to the experts would be in order. Any ideas guys? > > Gary > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Jan 23 23:18:39 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <00f901c73f3c$6fa9dfe0$6701a8c0@main> Facing the back of the deck from the top. The auto level position indicator (This is the one on the little box sitting on top of the main circuit board.) seems to always move to the right . It "bottoms out" to the right and ticks on the metal setting with metal tape. Likewise the azimuth indicator (This is the box with the blue plastic ribbon mounted on the vertical surface of the front) moves to the right only. This is both on metal and type 2 tape. I have not tried type 1 tape. I turned both by hand to center both and they always go right (as viewed from the back of the deck. ) Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 24 00:34:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:34:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems In-Reply-To: <017301c73e74$42b5af00$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070123173449.0084ba30@earthlink.net> Two typical failures cause the azimuth cal-clicking. One is a slipping belt (really causes auto cal failure, not clicking). The second is a split in the nylon bushing that captures the steel finger, so the finger stays put while the pulley rotates. I put the deck in stop mode, and draw a line across the flat blue plastic ladder thingy with the stainless steel ribbon inside. If the steel finger is able to move, you will see offset across the line in the calibrate mode. If not, there is quite a bit of disassembly and some epoxy gluing to do. Every once in a while bad head alignment can lead to cal-clicking, but if your deck worked fine and then failed, I suspect split plastic. tom brucker At 05:25 PM 1/22/07 -0500, Bill Shenefelt wrote: >>>> I have a 682ZX that when trying to autocalibrate, it gives a tic tic tic sound rapidly and then goes into blink (can't calibrate azmuith) mode. Does this on all tape types. Heads are demaged and all path parts clean. I have not tried to calibrate the head positions but could buy a set of tapes to use for it and do it if need be. Is this something that I should strongly avoid doing or worth a shot. The test tones are not that far off while recording. Sometimes one channel will flicker a single set of meter led's/ If I playback the test tones after a rewind, the 15 k tone is maybe one pair of leds flickering down one mark from -20 db and the same for 400 cps playback. It seems to be close on those but refuses to believe it is auto azimuth adjusted. Any suggestions? . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 24 01:01:41 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:01:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 speed problem In-Reply-To: <90621.73746.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <90621.73746.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B6A1E5.8060204@rcn.com> To be honest, I don't know. If it's the same as the oil used by jewelers for watches, it's too thin. Ideally, you want the oil used for sintered bushings. I have a small can of sewing machine oils that seems to be just right. It does get absorbed into the capstan bearing, yet is not too thin. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Ron,* > *I have some clock oil in a syringe. Is this oil OK?* > *Bob* > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Gary, > > There could be a few causes. (I doubt the reel drive > or the idler is one of them, though). The easiest to > check is dried out capstan bushings. > > Get some light machine oil (sewing machine oil is OK). > Set the deck on it's back. Remove the door. Lift the > washer on each capstan by about 1/8". Place one drop > of oil on each of the capstan bases. Work each capstan > up and down to let the oil seep in. Repeat until no more > oil is absorbed. BE CAREFUL NOT TO LET OIL TOUCH THE > CAPSTAN ABOVE THE WASHERS. Lower the washers to the base > of the capstans and clean the capstans thoroughly. test > to see if this solved the problem. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > > My faithful BX-300 has developed an issue with tape speed > control. I've > > used this deck about 5 hours weekly for a couple of years with no > problem > > until now. > > > > Here are the symptoms I've noticed so far: > > > > In play mode, previously recorded tapes will slow down after the > deck has > > been playing for a few minutes. Sounds very similar to the batteries > > wearing out in my portable player. The effect is gradual, but the > speed > > ultimately slows down greatly. If I shut off the deck for a > while, it > > plays normally again for a couple of minutes, then slows down. I > am at > > this moment listening to a tape on my portable that I recorded > Saturday > > night, the evening before the problem showed up. No problems on > this tape. > > > > > > I cleaned the capstans and pinch rollers. The pinch rollers were > a bit > > dirty, but nothing serious. I also cleaned the capstan belt and > pulleys / > > flywheels. There seems to plenty of belt tension and grip, but > I'm no > > expert. > > > > With my limited analog electronics experience, it seems like > something is > > getting warm and changing characteristics, but before I dig out > my freeze > > mist, I thought a call to the experts would be in order. Any > ideas guys? > > > > Gary > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 24 00:56:55 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:56:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Speed Problem (plays too fast) In-Reply-To: <939484.32550.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <203364.36684.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070123175655.0084d800@earthlink.net> On a BX 300 I repaired for a NakTalker that had the same problem the cause was a broken solder pad beneath a surface mount resistor on the motor circuit board. The resistor was right next to a screw. tom brucker At 01:03 PM 1/22/07 -0800, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I recently purchased a CR-2A and a BX-300. I tested the machines, buring several pre-recorded >cassettes on each deck to cd and then compared them to the original cds. the BX-300 works and >sounds fantastic! However, the CR-2A runs a tad too fast. Any suggestions apart from using pitch >contol? > >Thanks! >Jeff >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From OTELLO206 at aol.com Wed Jan 24 01:20:39 2007 From: OTELLO206 at aol.com (OTELLO206 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:20:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: NR 100 Message-ID: I too kept the NR 100 plugged in and played a number of tapes recorded with Dolby C to monitor the output. At first all I had was ticks, pops and crackles, with the music very very low. Now the noises are gone and the tapes seem to play OK. Maybe dirty connections from non use? I have not tried recording yet but will try that tomorrow. Artie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lemas156 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 24 02:29:13 2007 From: lemas156 at yahoo.com (Jeff Lemas) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:29:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Speed Problem (plays too fast) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070123175655.0084d800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <360460.19217.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info! I will crack it open and will take a look at it. - Jeff --- Hi Tech wrote: > On a BX 300 I repaired for a NakTalker that had the same problem the cause > was a broken solder pad beneath a surface mount resistor on the motor > circuit board. The resistor was right next to a screw. > > tom brucker > > At 01:03 PM 1/22/07 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I recently purchased a CR-2A and a BX-300. I tested the machines, buring > several pre-recorded > >cassettes on each deck to cd and then compared them to the original cds. > the BX-300 works and > >sounds fantastic! However, the CR-2A runs a tad too fast. Any suggestions > apart from using pitch > >contol? > > > >Thanks! > >Jeff > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Jan 24 03:32:51 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:32:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <010f01c73f5f$f241a5a0$6701a8c0@main> Tom; The clicking is in the level control box sitting on top of the circuit board, not the azimuth box. When the adjustment pointer reaches full right(looking from the rear) then it clicks. Both of the indicators do move, but always to the right of center(again looking from the rear) I think the azimuth one stops before it goes full right and the pulley slips then. Maybe real bad alignment. I was hoping to get this one working while waiting for the ZX7. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Jan 24 04:09:01 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:09:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <000501c73f64$ffdd2130$6701a8c0@main> The steel does move inside the blue guide. I found that if I set the bias on the front to get 0 dB on 15 K, I get about +1 dB on the 400 cps signal on the meters. If I change the bias on the front to lower the 400 cps signal to 0 dB, the bias 15 K signal records at -10dB but the auto cal does not click and the lights do not blink, auto cal completes (I guess) and the tape rewinds to 0. on the counter. Something is causing the 400 cps signal to be high and the auto adjust is not able to bring it down enough, thus bottoming out. I have no feel for adjustments on the little white head height, azimuth etc position gears on, nor do I have a calibration tape se or gage set to adjust them. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jan 24 06:59:13 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:59:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems In-Reply-To: <000501c73f64$ffdd2130$6701a8c0@main> References: <000501c73f64$ffdd2130$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45B6F5B1.7010301@peromarta.org> I can help with that ;) http://peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: nor do I have a calibration tape se or gage set to adjust them. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Jan 24 11:58:04 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:58:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <004401c73fa6$8689d750$6701a8c0@main> I adjusted R902 on the record level pc board about 5 degrees clockwise. (I moved it a couple of times to see if maybe the wipers were making a bad contact. They did not seem to be a problem but slight movement seems to have made the auto adjust happy.) Now I get alignment at correct bias settings. The indicator on the level control autoadjust is closer to center when done and the deck seems to autocalibrate with good bias settings both on type 2 and type 4 tape. I can hear a 400 cycle tone from the "other direction" where I recorded it to check crosstalk. The volume is about the same audible volume as tape hiss with no Dolby. I don't know if this is a typical acceptable level or not. I read the service manual on adjustments of heads and am not sure how to get to or jumper single pins on the ICs it mentions. Can I confirm levels just playing alignment tapes I can get from Luis just measuring with a Fluke digital multimeter or do I need to do this jumpering and grounding to do that? Even if I cannot adjust things, I would at least like to see if it needs adjusted or not. Sorry for all the stupid questions. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 21:14:13 2007 From: cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:14:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor In-Reply-To: <200701241102.l0OB1ktB006104@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701241102.l0OB1ktB006104@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001d01c73ff4$3ab8fb00$0127a8c0@plusmetal.lan> Hi all, I'm having some trouble in getting the calibration function on my ZXL 1000 to work properly. I was wondering if there are any kind sould out there who might direct me to a good, reliable parts supplier to replace the processor, or, lacking that, if it would be feasible to change the calibration processor with one from a ZXL 1000 Limited Edition, which I have but is generally non-functional. I appreciate the info and / or help you might provide in this matter. Cheers! From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jan 25 01:39:43 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:39:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor Message-ID: <2C55F5AE-89BA-47E3-B265-4570E453E065@alumni.caltech.edu> The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for these purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and stuff to calibrate things correctly. It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby From erickaava at hotmail.com Thu Jan 25 04:53:13 2007 From: erickaava at hotmail.com (ericka ava chapman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:53:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 meter lights Message-ID: I bought a Nakamichi 700 for my man as a gift for his upcoming birthday. I have just discovered that one of the lights behind the meters is out. Does anyone know the specs on this lamp or how I could source it out? Any help would be gratefully recieved. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 11:42:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:42:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor In-Reply-To: <2C55F5AE-89BA-47E3-B265-4570E453E065@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <497236.65511.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Kimo is right in his approach here - does it do the auto-azimuth? I had one deck which refused to auto-bias. Turned out to be a bad belt on the auto-azimuth motor. Among my decks, I have four different models from various manufacturers which uses the same processor as the 1000zxl. Non of them, all from about the same time period, have any problems with the processor. Usually its bad caps, connections or other logic chips which have failed. I would also try to get the gold deck going first. One nakker had recently mailed me with 1000zxl woes and eventually got it working successfully. The key to success is to realise that the deck is a sum of all its parts. So its necessary to get it patienty fixed, section by section. Never rush or jump to conclusions. Please email me if you need any help. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for these purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and stuff to calibrate things correctly. It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 25 12:15:01 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:15:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems In-Reply-To: <004401c73fa6$8689d750$6701a8c0@main> References: <004401c73fa6$8689d750$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <45B89135.50302@peromarta.org> Bill, If after cleaning and demag. the deck does not autocal properly, next step is electronic / head calibration. I would not go ahead randomly adjusting things, (your R902 for example), as you *could* make things worse - despite your deck now autocals. On the other hand, If you can hear the 400Hz tone from the other side of the tape, you are definitively missaligned, and it is *NOT* acceptable. Best rgds, LP. Bill Shenefelt wrote: > I adjusted R902 on the record level pc board about 5 degrees > clockwise. (I moved it a couple of times to see if maybe the wipers were > making a bad contact. They did not seem to be a problem but slight > movement seems to have made the auto adjust happy.) Now I get alignment > at correct bias settings. The indicator on the level control autoadjust > is closer to center when done and the deck seems to autocalibrate with > good bias settings both on type 2 and type 4 tape. > > I can hear a 400 cycle tone from the "other direction" where I > recorded it to check crosstalk. The volume is about the same audible > volume as tape hiss with no Dolby. I don't know if this is a typical > acceptable level or not. I read the service manual on adjustments of > heads and am not sure how to get to or jumper single pins on the ICs it > mentions. Can I confirm levels just playing alignment tapes I can get > from Luis just measuring with a Fluke digital multimeter or do I need to > do this jumpering and grounding to do that? Even if I cannot adjust > things, I would at least like to see if it needs adjusted or not. > Sorry for all the stupid questions. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > > -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Peromarta yahoo:lperoma Rome wasn't built in a day powered by myISP skype:lperoma (we didn't have the contract) http://peromarta.org http://peebles-engineering.com From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 14:34:16 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:34:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: <497236.65511.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070125133416.39810.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Can anybody have a spare azimuth wire for the Dragon? I have tried ESL and other sources, so far no luck. I am trying to get some generic flex cable and adapt it, but not having much luck. Rgds Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Jan 25 15:04:28 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:04:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX autocalibration problems Message-ID: <002901c74089$bb196790$6701a8c0@main> When recording a high frequency signal, I get a "pink noise" sound on tape instead of the signal. Pretty strong. IF I record nothing (erase) the noise sound is not there. The tone generator in the Nak at 15k gives me this sound as well as external tones ( 5, 10 and 15K cps ) I have recorded these tones on CD and then recorded to the deck. When listening to them on monitor, input not monitor , they high frequency, not the noise is there though. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 16:38:02 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:38:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor In-Reply-To: <2C55F5AE-89BA-47E3-B265-4570E453E065@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070125093802.00854c90@earthlink.net> I agree. A 1000XL never becomes a parts donor. There are so many alignments that will masquerade as an Auto-function failure. You have to begin at the beginning, not at the end. Replacing a processor is at the end of a repair. tom brucker At 04:39 PM 1/24/07 -0800, you wrote: >The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for >these purposes of discussion (perhaps >better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd one, plus the gold-plated >connectors on the boards). > >However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try >to get the ltd one going with parts >from the normal one. > >Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of >the autocal not working? I think >Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not >usually the processor itself that's >the problem. Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful >for diagnostics, though. There are a lot of other >parts in the autocal that could cause it to fail. Does it at least >auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not >others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox >and stuff to calibrate things correctly. > >It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like >Rochester Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't >looked for it specifically.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 16:46:47 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:46:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: <20070125133416.39810.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <497236.65511.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070125094647.00854c90@earthlink.net> Are you looking for the blue ladder with the stainless ribbon insert? I can probably find one from Yamaha. tom brucker At 05:34 AM 1/25/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi All, Can anybody have a spare azimuth wire for the Dragon? I have tried ESL and other sources, so far no luck. I am trying to get some generic flex cable and adapt it, but not having much luck. Rgds Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 17:19:12 2007 From: cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:19:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL1000 calibration In-Reply-To: <200701251101.l0PB0qkv026475@zxe.naks.com> References: <200701251101.l0PB0qkv026475@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002401c7409c$8e45bf80$0127a8c0@plusmetal.lan> Hi all, Got your messages, thanks for the input. As for the general state of the deck, I can tell you as certainty that all the motor belts are in good working condition. I had the deck serviced by a Nak specialist (a dying breed) who used to be the authorized Nak service representative for Venezuela (and happens to be a good friend of mine as well). His diagnostic is that the deck can playback tapes correctly (and I verified it), but regarding calibration, the outward signs of something being amiss with the engine are that basically the deck does not start the calibration process (Azimuth button keeps on blinking and blinking after initiating calibration procedures). That is what led Alirio (my trusted Nak mechanic for the past 10 years) to conclude that the processor was gone, hence my original (and rather terse) request. I will try and look on rocelec.com for the processor, see if they have it in stock. Once I get confirmation that the ZXL1000 ltd is indeed compatible with the ZXL1000, I'll go ahead and bring the deck to Alirio to do the modification, or, even better, substitute the entire calibration unit (if that's possible). I remain open to all suggestions. Cheers! -----Mensaje original----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] En nombre de naktalk-request at naks.com Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Enero de 2007 7:02 Para: naktalk at naks.com Asunto: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 33 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Carlos Manuel Pires) 2. ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Kimo B. Yap) 3. nakamichi 700 meter lights (ericka ava chapman) 4. Re: ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Bala Ganesh Chandra) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:14:13 -0400 From: "Carlos Manuel Pires" Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor To: Message-ID: <001d01c73ff4$3ab8fb00$0127a8c0 at plusmetal.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm having some trouble in getting the calibration function on my ZXL 1000 to work properly. I was wondering if there are any kind sould out there who might direct me to a good, reliable parts supplier to replace the processor, or, lacking that, if it would be feasible to change the calibration processor with one from a ZXL 1000 Limited Edition, which I have but is generally non-functional. I appreciate the info and / or help you might provide in this matter. Cheers! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:39:43 -0800 From: "Kimo B. Yap" Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <2C55F5AE-89BA-47E3-B265-4570E453E065 at alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for these purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and stuff to calibrate things correctly. It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:53:13 -0800 From: "ericka ava chapman" Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 meter lights To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I bought a Nakamichi 700 for my man as a gift for his upcoming birthday. I have just discovered that one of the lights behind the meters is out. Does anyone know the specs on this lamp or how I could source it out? Any help would be gratefully recieved. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtaglin e_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <497236.65511.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, Kimo is right in his approach here - does it do the auto-azimuth? I had one deck which refused to auto-bias. Turned out to be a bad belt on the auto-azimuth motor. Among my decks, I have four different models from various manufacturers which uses the same processor as the 1000zxl. Non of them, all from about the same time period, have any problems with the processor. Usually its bad caps, connections or other logic chips which have failed. I would also try to get the gold deck going first. One nakker had recently mailed me with 1000zxl woes and eventually got it working successfully. The key to success is to realise that the deck is a sum of all its parts. So its necessary to get it patienty fixed, section by section. Never rush or jump to conclusions. Please email me if you need any help. Best Regards, Bala Ganesh "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for these purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and stuff to calibrate things correctly. It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070125/92874430/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 33 *************************************** From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jan 25 19:56:03 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:56:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? Message-ID: That seems to be a pretty hard to get part. I have a 700zxl that had a broken one, and what I just recently got was one on e-bay for a ZX-7 that someone had because (they said) they needed to use the zx-7 for some special project, so they had a number of parts pieced out. It is the same setup but somewhat on the long side and hard to route. But the 700zxl is the big square profile so I'd actually expect most of the pizza-box profiles to have the longer wire. What I was looking for originally was a broken 682zx or 681zx that I could get relatively cheap (or any other zx machine, but those were the most likely to be relatively inexpensive). I think I still have the pieces from the 700zxl broken wire, what part of the wire needs to be fixed?-kby From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:11:25 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:11:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <690430.23407.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, Thank you for the reply, the connector that snaps into the head assy is broken, I tried to remake one, but didnt work out..... rgds Khan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: That seems to be a pretty hard to get part. I have a 700zxl that had a broken one, and what I just recently got was one on e-bay for a ZX-7 that someone had because (they said) they needed to use the zx-7 for some special project, so they had a number of parts pieced out. It is the same setup but somewhat on the long side and hard to route. But the 700zxl is the big square profile so I'd actually expect most of the pizza-box profiles to have the longer wire. What I was looking for originally was a broken 682zx or 681zx that I could get relatively cheap (or any other zx machine, but those were the most likely to be relatively inexpensive). I think I still have the pieces from the 700zxl broken wire, what part of the wire needs to be fixed?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 20:17:45 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:17:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070125094647.00854c90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <583604.86939.qm@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Yes that would help too! The connector broke on the head assy end, and the SS wire is also kinked there, if possible, please ask Yamaha if they can help. I got this machine a while back on ebay, messed up quite bad, have fixed all the rest, now waiting for a old broken Dragon to magically appear on ebay! rgds Khan Hi Tech wrote: Are you looking for the blue ladder with the stainless ribbon insert? I can probably find one from Yamaha. tom brucker At 05:34 AM 1/25/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi All, Can anybody have a spare azimuth wire for the Dragon? I have tried ESL and other sources, so far no luck. I am trying to get some generic flex cable and adapt it, but not having much luck. Rgds Khan Dr. N. Khan Design Engineer Mequon Manufacture LLC. CAGE Code 3A3Z8 738 Grand Avenue Mequon, WI 53092 414-406-2066 262-238-1047 fax========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jan 25 20:08:09 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:08:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL1000 calibration Message-ID: <04EB308C-300F-4711-9E43-B5ADC1EC5142@alumni.caltech.edu> The fact that the azimuth light keeps blinking could mean a number of things other than the processor. Off the top of my head, the 400hz oscillator could be bad. That just means it can't detect the tone that it thinks it's recording on the tape. Could be a bad orange cap in the bias oscillator. Could be a really bad height alignment on the record head...lots of things that aren't the CPU. Really dirty heads could also do this, but unlikely if it's been gone over, as could simply trying to record on the leader (but that would change as soon as it got to the tape). If that is the symptom, I'd definitely look for things other than the CPU. In short, if you can't record a signal on the tape, then this would be a symptom. Since the deck seems to play back OK, does the 400Hz oscillator show on the meters if you put the test tone on and the deck in source monitor mode? If it passes that, can it record it, even poorly, on type 1 tape? Do you see a 400Hz -10db or so signal at the external noise reduction output- to-external encoder jacks? -kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jan 25 20:38:33 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:38:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? Message-ID: <416F6916-C585-49E7-B704-66D9E457364C@alumni.caltech.edu> I think the plastic part on the head might be servicable if not perfect. I think the kink in the wire is going to be more of a problem, though.-kby From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Thu Jan 25 20:56:49 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:56:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Message-ID: <200701251957.l0PJv361000944@zxe.naks.com> Hello Tom Brucker, Thanks for the insight in your reply. It did inspire me to look more closely at the little head of this particular N600. Since you discovered wear I want to learn more. I painstakingly tried to improve the photo quality to minimize the effect of spurious reflections that may obscure the state of this head. I published the new photographs in the same URL for you to scrutinize once more; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ The air-gap I still think has been created on purpose, is better visible in the new shots. I took two shots from different angles to get different reflections from parts around the head, so these reflections are not mistaken for strange patterns or wear. I also discovered a second phenomenon; the lower 'copper liner' below the lower pole piece is missing! Effectively this creates a second air gap, symmetrically opposed to the top air gap. Please tell me your opinion on these findings. I would be honored to see responses to these discoveries. Regards and keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Henk, I agree the big knob has been added, but I think that is a well worn stock head. The wear is easily past the point where relapping is possible, and the top area may be different metal around the pole pieces being exposed. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 25 21:03:00 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:03:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: <416F6916-C585-49E7-B704-66D9E457364C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20070125200300.20540.qmail@web82408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I tried rebuilding, but didnt work out well enough Khan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I think the plastic part on the head might be servicable if not perfect. I think the kink in the wire is going to be more of a problem, though.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Thu Jan 25 21:11:13 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:11:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup (reply to Lius Peromarta) Message-ID: <200701252011.l0PKBODM001232@zxe.naks.com> Hello Lius Peromarta, Thanks for you r reply. I would be honored if you would link to my site; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ As you might have seen I do link to your and other Nakkers sites as well, starting with the much appreciated Naks.com from fellow Dutchman Wouter. I wait in anticipation of your link, Keep listening to the naks Henk Schenk Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Jan 25 21:49:28 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:49:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup References: <200701251957.l0PJv361000944@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003901c740c2$4ee7ddc0$0201a8c0@home> Hi Schenk The head is a mark 11 head, From memory I think there should be a type of early pad lifter fitted which seems to be missing from yours!! I have boxes of heads, if I can get to them I will get a picture to you T ----- Original Message ----- From: ScHenk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Hello Tom Brucker, Thanks for the insight in your reply. It did inspire me to look more closely at the little head of this particular N600. Since you discovered wear I want to learn more. I painstakingly tried to improve the photo quality to minimize the effect of spurious reflections that may obscure the state of this head. I published the new photographs in the same URL for you to scrutinize once more; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ The air-gap I still think has been created on purpose, is better visible in the new shots. I took two shots from different angles to get different reflections from parts around the head, so these reflections are not mistaken for strange patterns or wear. I also discovered a second phenomenon; the lower 'copper liner' below the lower pole piece is missing! Effectively this creates a second air gap, symmetrically opposed to the top air gap. Please tell me your opinion on these findings. I would be honored to see responses to these discoveries. Regards and keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Henk, I agree the big knob has been added, but I think that is a well worn stock head. The wear is easily past the point where relapping is possible, and the top area may be different metal around the pole pieces being exposed. tom brucker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24/01/07 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 25 23:30:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:30:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL1000 calibration In-Reply-To: <002401c7409c$8e45bf80$0127a8c0@plusmetal.lan> References: <200701251101.l0PB0qkv026475@zxe.naks.com> <002401c7409c$8e45bf80$0127a8c0@plusmetal.lan> Message-ID: <45B92F8C.10005@rcn.com> Let me join others in suggesting rigorous diagnostics, rather than haphazard part replacement. I don't have the service manual, but it's quite possible that if the light is blinking, the processor is probably functional. There are several faults that result in the exact symptom you are describing. -- Ron Carlos Manuel Pires wrote: > > Hi all, > > Got your messages, thanks for the input. As for the general state of the > deck, I can tell you as certainty that all the motor belts are in good > working condition. I had the deck serviced by a Nak specialist (a dying > breed) who used to be the authorized Nak service representative for > Venezuela (and happens to be a good friend of mine as well). His diagnostic > is that the deck can playback tapes correctly (and I verified it), but > regarding calibration, the outward signs of something being amiss with the > engine are that basically the deck does not start the calibration process > (Azimuth button keeps on blinking and blinking after initiating calibration > procedures). That is what led Alirio (my trusted Nak mechanic for the past > 10 years) to conclude that the processor was gone, hence my original (and > rather terse) request. I will try and look on rocelec.com for the processor, > see if they have it in stock. Once I get confirmation that the ZXL1000 ltd > is indeed compatible with the ZXL1000, I'll go ahead and bring the deck to > Alirio to do the modification, or, even better, substitute the entire > calibration unit (if that's possible). I remain open to all suggestions. > > Cheers! > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] En nombre de > naktalk-request at naks.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Enero de 2007 7:02 > Para: naktalk at naks.com > Asunto: Naktalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 33 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Carlos Manuel Pires) > 2. ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Kimo B. Yap) > 3. nakamichi 700 meter lights (ericka ava chapman) > 4. Re: ZXL 1000 Calibration processor (Bala Ganesh Chandra) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:14:13 -0400 > From: "Carlos Manuel Pires" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor > To: > Message-ID: <001d01c73ff4$3ab8fb00$0127a8c0 at plusmetal.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi all, > > I'm having some trouble in getting the calibration function on my ZXL 1000 > to work properly. I was wondering if there are any kind sould out there who > might direct me to a good, reliable parts supplier to replace the processor, > or, lacking that, if it would be feasible to change the calibration > processor with one from a ZXL 1000 Limited Edition, which I have but is > generally non-functional. I appreciate the info and / or help you might > provide in this matter. Cheers! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:39:43 -0800 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <2C55F5AE-89BA-47E3-B265-4570E453E065 at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for these > purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the ltd > one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). > > However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get > the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. > > Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the > autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm > wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. > Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, > though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to > fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not > others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and > stuff to calibrate things correctly. > > It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester > Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:53:13 -0800 > From: "ericka ava chapman" > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700 meter lights > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I bought a Nakamichi 700 for my man as a gift for his upcoming birthday. I > have just discovered that one of the lights behind the meters is out. Does > anyone know the specs on this lamp or how I could source it out? Any help > would be gratefully recieved. Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtaglin > e_donation&FORM=WLMTAG > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:42:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Calibration processor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <497236.65511.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone, > > Kimo is right in his approach here - does it do the > auto-azimuth? I had one deck which refused to auto-bias. Turned out to be a > bad belt on the auto-azimuth motor. Among my decks, I have four different > models from various manufacturers which uses the same processor as the > 1000zxl. Non of them, all from about the same time period, have any problems > with the processor. Usually its bad caps, connections or other logic chips > which have failed. > > I would also try to get the gold deck going first. One nakker had recently > mailed me with 1000zxl woes and eventually got it working successfully. The > key to success is to realise that the deck is a sum of all its parts. So its > necessary to get it patienty fixed, section by section. Never rush or jump > to conclusions. > > Please email me if you need any help. > > Best Regards, > Bala Ganesh > > "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > The short answer to your question is that the parts are identical for > these purposes of discussion (perhaps better matched pairs and stuff in the > ltd one, plus the gold-plated connectors on the boards). > > However, if it were mine with the information you've given, I'd try to get > the ltd one going with parts from the normal one. > > Also, what are the symptoms you're actually dealing with in terms of the > autocal not working? I think Bala's pointed out (and can correct me if I'm > wrong) that it's not usually the processor itself that's the problem. > Switching the boards for test purposes might be useful for diagnostics, > though. There are a lot of other parts in the autocal that could cause it to > fail. Does it at least auto-azimuth? Does it work with some tapes but not > others? Generally overhauling this will require the fancy switchbox and > stuff to calibrate things correctly. > > It might be available too from one of the legacy suppliers like Rochester > Electronics (www.rocelec.com?); I haven't looked for it specifically.-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 23:20:27 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:20:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup In-Reply-To: <200701251957.l0PJv361000944@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070125162027.0084c3e0@earthlink.net> I see now it is not head wear. It is a hole! It is not the 600-II head, so it does appear to be something unusual. I repaired a prototype 480 here in Nashville that had all ICs in sockets. Nakamichi could't undrstand how it came to be sold. Perhaps Nakamichi would send evaluation samples to the US that would "become lost" from their Santa Monica headquarters. The 600 was often customized. I once put a 600-II cassette holder on a 600, and used a silver face with black knobs. tom brucker At 08:56 PM 1/25/07 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Hello Tom Brucker, Thanks for the insight in your reply. It did inspire me to look more closely at the little head of this particular N600. Since you discovered wear I want to learn more. I painstakingly tried to improve the photo quality to minimize the effect of spurious reflections that may obscure the state of this head. I published the new photographs in the same URL for you to scrutinize once more; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/temp/ The air-gap I still think has been created on purpose, is better visible in the new shots. I took two shots from different angles to get different reflections from parts around the head, so these reflections are not mistaken for strange patterns or wear. I also discovered a second phenomenon; the lower copper liner below the lower pole piece is missing! Effectively this creates a second air gap, symmetrically opposed to the top air gap. Please tell me your opinion on these findings. I would be honored to see responses to these discoveries. Regards and keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk Netherlands ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup Henk, I agree the big knob has been added, but I think that is a well worn stock head. The wear is easily past the point where relapping is possible, and the top area may be different metal around the pole pieces being exposed. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se Fri Jan 26 04:04:47 2007 From: tomaslarssonse at yahoo.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:04:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE:New Manual Website, Things is beginning to run now. In-Reply-To: <015501c7382d$f108ad70$0200a8c0@toybox> Message-ID: Hi groups. Things is getting up and running now. The site is up, it seems like I got the file-area working (don't upload anyting to i yet though, there are some small issues to resolve, still). I have uploaded some manuals, and you can feel free to test-run it, and give me some feed-back As mentioned previously, the url is www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. For uploads use the free www.yousendit.com service. and send it to my e-mail address Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:47 PM > To: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com; > hp_agilent_equipment at yahoogroups.com; > Manual_Exchange at yahoogroups.com; TekScopArc at yahoogroups.com; > FEDPIC Grupp; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [TekScopArc] New Website [WAS] [TekScopes] Tektronix > 468 manuals - I got 'em > > Hi all Members in all Groups. > > Since BAMA is scaling down, I have decided to take over from > where BAMA ended. > I have created a new domain, called www.ebaman.com, > (Electronic Boat Anchor Archives for MANuals) it will however > take a day or two for the DNS-update. > I will start to build the website at the end of this week. > After that, when it goes online, It will be ready. > > I would however be very happy for Ideas and such. > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu for downloads etc. > Use the free www.yousendit.com service for uploading. > Excellent and cheap hosting, use > http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:TekScopes at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:34 PM > > To: TekScopes at yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 468 manuals - I got 'em > > > > At least one member keeps a server with manuals, i think the right > > persons will reply. > > You could also try > > > > Now that BAMA does no longer take TEK stuff, i think we should > > actively do something in that regard. > > There should be a list of sorts, or a table, with all free digital > > manuals that we know of, and listing locations where they are. > > We only need one "download" place, but we should have > several people > > have a copy locally. It should take little effort to keep a > few CDs or > > DVDs with manuals, just in case one of those download > places is lost, > > and by distributing them there should always be many people > with the > > same copy, if someone is unreachable for some reason. > > > > I made a database in the database section, to show what i > am talking > > about > > > > I think there may be other ways to do this, but that's the general > > idea. > > Over time manuals will surely be distributed over many servers, > > especially now with BAMA. I believe instead of attempting > to set up a > > central archive that has all it would work better to have the files > > distributed, as long as there is some index somewhere to > find them and > > backup copies in case one server is lost. > > > > What do you think? > > > > ST > > > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:14:41 +0100, anon_tx > > wrote: > > > > > The moderator's email is 'hidden' so I am unable to ask > > him/her off- > > > list so I will put it to you... > > > > > > There are two parts: one 27MBy and the other 39MBy. I used > > hjsplit to > > > split them into 1.4MBy chunks but think that is probably > > too much to > > > upload to the files section in this group - split or not. > It will > > > probably consume (or exceed) the remainder of my upload > > quota - or for > > > that matter maybe this entire group. > > > > > > So, I was in turn thinking about posting the manuals to > > usenet in the > > > technical books section. Anybody have any thoughts on what > > the 'smart' > > > thing to do is or what you'd like to see? I have been > looking for > > > these things a long time (for free) and finally broke down > > and bought > > > them and am willing to share now that I have them. > > > > To unsubscribe mailto:TekScopArc-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > Archives at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopArc > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopArc/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TekScopArc/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:TekScopArc-digest at yahoogroups.com > mailto:TekScopArc-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > TekScopArc-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 05:55:04 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:55:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup (reply to Lius Peromarta) Message-ID: Hello Henk! Nice, also you collection is superbly! Go always forward, Alex! From: henkschenk at wishmail.nlTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:11:13 +0100Subject: [naktalk] Rare N600 head setup (reply to Lius Peromarta) Hello Lius Peromarta, Thanks for you r reply. I would be honored if you would link to my site; http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ As you might have seen I do link to your and other Nakkers sites as well, starting with the much appreciated Naks.com from fellow Dutchman Wouter. I wait in anticipation of your link, Keep listening to the naks Henk Schenk Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jan 26 10:15:39 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B.Yap) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:15:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? Message-ID: <04729348-3BC2-48E2-B8E4-4E5AE204423D@alumni.caltech.edu> The head base end of the one I have has three of the four latches intact (one is missing). It might also have a small amount of cyanoacrylate residue inside, but I think that can pretty easily be removed. If you are interested, I'll send it to you for your address; you can e-mail me off-line if you like.-kby From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 14:29:58 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:29:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: <04729348-3BC2-48E2-B8E4-4E5AE204423D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <791059.78501.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi KBY, That was the original problem, one latch missing, I tried attaching it with CA and a hot melt plastic, both failed. Then tried inserting a very thin SS wire through it to hold it steady, still no luck! so I guess I'll have to wait for a new or used intact assy! Thanks for the offer. Rgds Khan "Kimo B.Yap" wrote: The head base end of the one I have has three of the four latches intact (one is missing). It might also have a small amount of cyanoacrylate residue inside, but I think that can pretty easily be removed. If you are interested, I'll send it to you for your address; you can e-mail me off-line if you like.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manunta at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 16:05:06 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:05:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks Message-ID: Hi to everybody, I have a new and cute remote control for all the Naks which work with RM-200, RM-850 and similar. It works with non-reverse and reverse decks as well. It is not a DIY afterhours product, this is a well-done commercial product with warranty (at least in the European Union). If you're interested, please go to www.m2tech.biz (the site is in its veeeery early development) or go to Ebay and look for marco.zip in the community to see my auction. I ship in all the world, except the States, where a dear friend of mine (Eslabs) is distributing the remote. Otherwise, post a reply to this thread. Price is 89 Euros, plus S/H. Marco P.S.: I'm not sure whether I'm infringing the netiquette of the forum with this e-mail. If this is hte case, please consider it was not my purpose. _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le tue informazioni. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jan 26 19:25:52 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:25:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks References: Message-ID: <001001c74177$6a2fa710$9bd217c4@home> Hi Marco, So it is a Wireless or Cable free remote.The RM 200 has a cable unit and the RM 580 (RM 850 ? ) is wireless.Does it also have the Record and Mute function?Unfortunately your site does not give too much details.Please feel free to enlighten us more fully on its diversity and applications,as I am sure other Nakkers have an interest as well. Maybe a closeup picture would also help.I ,for instance cant stand the cable business on the Dragon and RX 505 and yet on older decks Nakamichi made wireless remotes! BTW the Euro price is not exactly cheap,so it must be a very versatile little thing! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Marco Manunta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks Hi to everybody, I have a new and cute remote control for all the Naks which work with RM-200, RM-850 and similar. It works with non-reverse and reverse decks as well. It is not a DIY afterhours product, this is a well-done commercial product with warranty (at least in the European Union). If you're interested, please go to www.m2tech.biz (the site is in its veeeery early development) or go to Ebay and look for marco.zip in the community to see my auction. I ship in all the world, except the States, where a dear friend of mine (Eslabs) is distributing the remote. Otherwise, post a reply to this thread. Price is 89 Euros, plus S/H. Marco P.S.: I'm not sure whether I'm infringing the netiquette of the forum with this e-mail. If this is hte case, please consider it was not my purpose. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Invia messaggi direttamente al tuo blog e carica foto, commenti e altro ancora con MSN Spaces. È gratuito! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jan 26 20:20:06 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:20:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? Message-ID: > Hi KBY, That was the original problem, one latch missing, I tried > attaching it with CA and a hot melt plastic, both failed. Then > tried inserting a very thin SS wire through it to hold it steady, > still no luck! so I guess I'll have to wait for a new or used > intact assy! Thanks for the offer. > Bummer. I thought that was OK; the real problem I had was that I kinked the wire once and then eventually broke it in the process of dealing with other stuff; the latch problem at the rate I was looking at it was secondary. I would guess that for that kind of plastic, cyanoacrylate, even the kind with the special plastic activator (which only says it has hexane in it) is probably not going to be strong enough. The wire was a more excellent idea, though; I'm surprised it didn't work. Can you put thin wires around the whole thing where it attaches at the front an back ends (far enough away from the slot the wire moves in) to hold it to the mechanism and not interfere with anything? It's too bad the latches on the other end are a different spacing; I checked last night, and, alas, they are quite different so one can't be substituted for the other.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 20:33:16 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:33:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any one with a spare Dragon azimuth wire? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <542998.97744.qm@web82406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kim, I tried exactly what you suggested, but too many snags! I heated the wire and inserted it through the plastic, all looked good, but a little while later, the thing started coming apart! I will try to mold a different connector with fiberglas resin and see how that turns out! I have scavanged some from my wives art workshop, I'll keep you posted. "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Hi KBY, That was the original problem, one latch missing, I tried attaching it with CA and a hot melt plastic, both failed. Then tried inserting a very thin SS wire through it to hold it steady, still no luck! so I guess I'll have to wait for a new or used intact assy! Thanks for the offer. Bummer. I thought that was OK; the real problem I had was that I kinked the wire once and then eventually broke it in the process of dealing with other stuff; the latch problem at the rate I was looking at it was secondary. I would guess that for that kind of plastic, cyanoacrylate, even the kind with the special plastic activator (which only says it has hexane in it) is probably not going to be strong enough. The wire was a more excellent idea, though; I'm surprised it didn't work. Can you put thin wires around the whole thing where it attaches at the front an back ends (far enough away from the slot the wire moves in) to hold it to the mechanism and not interfere with anything? It's too bad the latches on the other end are a different spacing; I checked last night, and, alas, they are quite different so one can't be substituted for the other.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manunta at hotmail.com Fri Jan 26 23:33:51 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:33:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks Message-ID: Thank you for your reply, Walter. Indeed, I've been rather ambiguous. I'll try to describe my product better. I'm describing a wireless infrared remote control system. The remote can be used in place of RM-200 or RM-580, it should also replace the RM-300. I'm not sure about this last assertion, my friend and distributor for the States, Jeffrey Galin of Eslabs, will tell me shortly, as he has several 1000's to test the unit with. The handheld remote is light and easy to use, the range is good for every normal living room (I've tested it over a 10m distance). The receiving unit is small enough to be placed upon or aside the deck, or also in a corner, far from the eyesight. The remote replicates the main functions of the front panel keyboard: play, pause, stop, fast forward, rewind, record, reverse (for autoreverse decks only). The behaviour of the record key is the following: when a cassette which is not protected against recording is in the cassette holder and the deck is in stop mode, the record key on the remote put the deck in paused record mode: thus after pressing the record key, the play key must be pressed to actually start the recording. When no cassette is present in the cassette holder or when the cassette is protected against recording, the record key has the same behaviour as the pause key. The receiving unit is also provided with a 12VDC trigger output on a 3.5mm mono jack socket. The trigger output is activated when one of the keys on the remote is pressed (except the off key). The trigger output is switched off by pressing the off key. This feature is useful when one needs to operate a switched outlet strip or has an amplifier with trigger input and switched mains sockets on the rear panel: using the trigger on the remote's receiving units the user can switch the whole hi-fi system on and off. The receiving unit can be either powered by the deck (except RX and Dragon models) or by a 12VDC wall adapter. It is connected to the deck by a DIN-to-DIN 8-pole cable which I can provide as an option at a small extra cost. But I know many naks lovers already have this cable, which was available as an option for the Nakamichi decks, so I propose it as an option only. Of course, the remoe comes with fresh batteries. I'm sorry for my very poor website, I'll try to complete it as soon as possible. I'll post new pictures shortly. You say you can't stand the wire in all older remotes, but it isn't possible to operate the unit without cable, if the owner wants to preserve the unit's integrity. As per the cost, please consider you're not buying a garage product, I give warranty, good quality, nice look and versatility. It all depends on your expectations: if you want to save money, you'll surely find something else that is cheaper, but if you are looking for a stylish accessory which matches the high quality of your deck, than you have found your remote :-) This is the first one of a series of products for vintage hi-fi gears. I'm now working on a bias modulator borad to be used with tape decks and reel-to-reel tapes to improve the high frequency distortion and saturation level figures. It will work much like the Dolby HX pro feature. Then, I'll propose other products. Stay tuned! Marco _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro ancora. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 27 05:00:06 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <373259.34619.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <412420.91368.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: well, I would return the LX back to the seller if it was not descrdibed as defective. Good luck --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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I recently bought a $1500 Nak 1000zxl. When received, nothing worked right. It rewound and played garbble and fforward. Rec, cal etc, VU lights all were sporadic. Well, I got my $1549.54 back but had to pay $82 to UPS to ship back item! I gues we have to email prior to the deal as to what the consequences of a lemon be regards to shipping etc... or not buy at all if uncomfortable. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: well, I would return the LX back to the seller if it was not descrdibed as defective. Good luck --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Jan 27 12:48:22 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:48:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 Message-ID: Hello Ram! NOW...you learn...NOT to acquire any Nakamichi from "Unknown" seller....my heart fully advice, is that the next time...ONLY from one of our forum members! You lost $:82.00 as LEARNING! Be well, Alex! Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:41:51 -0800From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] defective LX5To: naktalk at naks.comBob,Thats the tragedy with ebay. Even in listings where the seller grossly misrepresents the item for sale, at least the return shipment is the buyers problem.I recently bought a $1500 Nak 1000zxl. When received, nothing worked right. It rewound and played garbble and fforward. Rec, cal etc, VU lights all were sporadic.Well, I got my $1549.54 back but had to pay $82 to UPS to ship back item!I gues we have to email prior to the deal as to what the consequences of a lemon be regards to shipping etc... or not buy at all if uncomfortable.RamBob Naylor wrote: If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. Bobshanti ramachandran wrote: well,I would return the LX back to the seller if it was not descrdibed as defective.Good luck Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and then stopping. A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording (2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and (3) can I do the replacement my self? Regards, Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 27 15:41:00 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BB647C.5050803@rcn.com> Alex, that's BS. I bought THROUGH NAKTALK a deck that was described as 'pristine' and turned out to be in less than fair condition with missing cosmetic parts. It was also described as working perfectly, but didn't play at all (this was the easy part, took me half an hour to bring to the condition it was advertised in). Bottom line: ebay is a cesspool of sleaze balls. Buy there and you are practically guaranteed to be shafted. And, *nowhere* is absolutely safe nowadays, including this forum. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Ram! > > NOW...you learn...NOT to acquire any Nakamichi from "Unknown" > seller....my heart fully advice, is that the next time...ONLY from one > of our forum members! > > You lost $:82.00 as LEARNING! > > Be well, > > Alex! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:41:51 -0800 > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] defective LX5 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Bob, > > Thats the tragedy with ebay. Even in listings where the seller grossly > misrepresents the item for sale, at least the return shipment is the > buyers problem. > > I recently bought a $1500 Nak 1000zxl. When received, nothing worked > right. It rewound and played garbble and fforward. Rec, cal etc, VU > lights all were sporadic. > > Well, I got my $1549.54 back but had to pay $82 to UPS to ship back item! > > I gues we have to email prior to the deal as to what the consequences of > a lemon be regards to shipping etc... or not buy at all if uncomfortable. > > Ram > > > */Bob Naylor /* wrote: > > *If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about > $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller.* > *Bob* > > */shanti ramachandran /* wrote: > > well, > I would return the LX back to the seller if it was not > descrdibed as defective. > Good luck > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 27 16:43:22 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:43:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <412420.91368.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <373259.34619.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <412420.91368.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3XK7RZmZPy9oeAWwWvDQz4=Xe8Lc@4ax.com> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. OK will $60 in parts and your labor fix the problems? If not you should return it for a full refund, pending sellers accept. -Mikkel From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 18:54:01 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:54:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <356547.79518.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dan having fixed many Naks including BX 300 and done gear drive upgrades on CR7/ BX 300, I will give my opinon. Please take this is one shade of opinion as you might hear from more people. 1. Two head vs 3 head Nak - 3 head Naks are far superior to 2 head because of Dual capstan padless tape travel + Nak three heads have very good low frequency response. however if you are not recording much and do not have expensive audio chain, a Nak 2 head might surprise you and cost can be half of 3 heads. 3 head maintanence is als expensive due to discrete head require special tools to align. 2. BX 300 - can sound well provided heads are in correct alignment/ checked for few trouble areas when you buy it. I would recommend (if you buy it from some ebay seller) to get it checked by Tom who is a Nak technician and a naktalk member. He is economical for BX 300 check up and calibration. Eslabs is an alternate service center takes up such work- cost is somthing need to be checked. 3 Gear Drive upgrade requires experience and alignment after replacement. You can do it but It may not be easy. The head alignment/play/record/record bias level calibrations are not necessarily could be done without correct tools. Among the options of gear drive kit - new kit is expensive if at all available - I have a set available for sale. Secondly take it from some CR 1/2 deck privided those machines have working reel motors - can be less than half the cost. So I would recommend idler tire replacement which is much easier but require a bit of care - not to damage the assembly plastic part. If you can do this , then this option will be very very economical. This does not disturb the transport and hence recommended if the alignments are perfect. However you will not realize the full potential of BX 300 without complete calibration/ alignment for most of the used BX 300. Kannan dan moy wrote: New guy here... Hello, I'm considering purchasing a BX-300 and from my research it appears that this tape deck will both sound good and will fit my budget; I think. I recently popped in a tape in my car and was surprised at how good it sounded. And I just so happened to have a box full of tapes so I decided to purchase a tape deck. I realize that the tape deck in my home may not sound as good as in my car because there is a lot less background noise. But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and then stopping. A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording (2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and (3) can I do the replacement my self? Regards, Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 27 19:06:52 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:06:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <45BB94BC.5090101@rcn.com> dan moy wrote: > New guy here... > > Hello, > I'm considering purchasing a BX-300 and from my research it appears that this tape deck will both sound good and will fit my budget; I think. > > I recently popped in a tape in my car and was surprised at how good it sounded. And I just so happened to have a box full of tapes so I decided to purchase a tape deck. I realize that the tape deck in my home may not sound as good as in my car because there is a lot less background noise. > > But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and then stopping. > > A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording In a three head deck, each head is optimized for its function, as is the electronics. This improves playback sounds quality. In addition (and unimportant for you) this also improves recording sound quality and provides monitoring off the tape while recording. (2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and ... The idler tire (not motor) is a consumable part. It needs to be replaced, as a matter of routine maintenance, once every couple of years or so. If done, it will not be any more troublesome than any other part of the deck. The cost of the idler tire is less than a buck. (3) can I do the replacement my self? Replacing the idler tire takes about 20 minutes and can be mastered by anyone with average (or somewhat above) technical capability. It's no more difficult than, say, changing the oil in a car or replacing the battery in a watch. -- Ron > > Regards, > Dan From moydan at excite.com Sat Jan 27 19:32:29 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Message-ID: <20070127183229.A206AB57E5@xprdmxin.myway.com> Kannan, Ron, Thank you for the replies. If a unit in Ebay is listed as having the following condition: "Will stop after several minutes of play" is this an idler tire problem or could it be something more serious.BTW, what is Tom's contact information.Thank You,Dan --- On Sat 01/27, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > wrote:From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com]To: moydan at excite.com, naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:54:01 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300Hi Dan having fixed many Naks including BX 300 and done gear drive upgrades on CR7/ BX 300, I will give my opinon. Please take this is one shade of opinion as you might hear from more people. 1. Two head vs 3 head Nak - 3 head Naks are far superior to 2 head because of Dual capstan padless tape travel + Nak three heads have very good low frequency response. however if you are not recording much and do not have expensive audio chain, a Nak 2 head might surprise you and cost can be half of 3 heads. 3 head maintanence is als expensive due to discrete head require special tools to align. 2. BX 300 - can sound well provided heads are in correct alignment/ checked for few trouble areas when you buy it. I would recommend (if you buy it from some ebay seller) to get it checked by Tom who is a Nak technician and a naktalk member. He is economical for BX 300 check up and calibration. Eslabs is an alternate service center takes up such work- cost is somthing need to be checked. 3 Gear Drive upgrade requires experience and alignment after replacement. You can do it but It may not be easy. The head alignment/play/record/record bias level calibrations are not necessarily could be done without correct tools. Among the options of gear drive kit - new kit is expensive if at all available - I have a set available for sale. Secondly take it from some CR 1/2 deck privided those machines have working reel motors - can be less than half the cost. So I would recommend idler tire replacement which is much easier but require a bit of care - not to damage the assembly plastic part. If you can do this , then this option will be very very economical. This does not disturb the transport and hence recommended if the alignments are perfect. However you will not realize the full potential of BX 300 without complete calibration/ alignment for most of the used BX 300. Kannan dan moy wrote: New guy here...Hello,I'm considering purchasing a BX-300 and from my research it appears that this tape deck will both sound good and will fit my budget; I think.I recently popped in a tape in my car and was surprised at how good it sounded. And I just so happened to have a box full of tapes so I decided to purchase a tape deck. I realize that the tape deck in my home may not sound as good as in my car because there is a lot less background noise.But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and then stopping.A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording (2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and (3) can I do the replacement my self?Regards,Dan_______________________________________________Join Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web!========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! 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I am not an electronics tech but I have some electronics background and am an auto mechanic so I'm not afraid to dig into it. Hopefully by the symptoms someone here can point me in the right direction. I do have a service manual. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. OK will $60 in parts and your labor fix the problems? If not you should return it for a full refund, pending sellers accept. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Jan 27 20:44:01 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:44:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <45BB647C.5050803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006901c7424b$7f132510$3601000a@gabrenas> I am going to throw my two cents here as well. I did get lucky on E-bay with a very nice CR7A however got screwed on audiogon with the same model. There are a lot a sleaze balls on any site. I do have a question for to throw out to this forum. Anyone have a good source for metal bias tapes. Pref TDK MAR-90 or MAXG-90? The folks on E-bay are way to greedy. Victor Gabrenas -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] defective LX5 Alex, that's BS. I bought THROUGH NAKTALK a deck that was described as 'pristine' and turned out to be in less than fair condition with missing cosmetic parts. It was also described as working perfectly, but didn't play at all (this was the easy part, took me half an hour to bring to the condition it was advertised in). Bottom line: ebay is a cesspool of sleaze balls. Buy there and you are practically guaranteed to be shafted. And, *nowhere* is absolutely safe nowadays, including this forum. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Ram! > > NOW...you learn...NOT to acquire any Nakamichi from "Unknown" > seller....my heart fully advice, is that the next time...ONLY from one > of our forum members! > > You lost $:82.00 as LEARNING! > > Be well, > > Alex! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:41:51 -0800 > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] defective LX5 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Bob, > > Thats the tragedy with ebay. Even in listings where the seller grossly > misrepresents the item for sale, at least the return shipment is the > buyers problem. > > I recently bought a $1500 Nak 1000zxl. When received, nothing worked > right. It rewound and played garbble and fforward. Rec, cal etc, VU > lights all were sporadic. > > Well, I got my $1549.54 back but had to pay $82 to UPS to ship back item! > > I gues we have to email prior to the deal as to what the consequences of > a lemon be regards to shipping etc... or not buy at all if uncomfortable. > > Ram > > > */Bob Naylor /* wrote: > > *If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about > $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller.* > *Bob* > > */shanti ramachandran /* wrote: > > well, > I would return the LX back to the seller if it was not > descrdibed as defective. > Good luck > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 27 21:10:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:10:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070127183229.A206AB57E5@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070127183229.A206AB57E5@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <45BBB1C3.20006@rcn.com> I can only be sure after checking the unit. In general, if the unit plays for a couple of seconds (not 'a few minutes) and then stops by itself, the most likely cause is a worn idler tire. Less likely could be a bad reel motor, which is a fairly expensive part. Far less likely, it could also be a bad reel sensor and/or a fault in the control electronics, which can be expensive to repair, due to the labour involved. -- Ron dan moy wrote: > Kannan, Ron, > Thank you for the replies. > > If a unit in Ebay is listed as having the following condition: "Will > stop after several minutes of play" is this an idler tire problem or > could it be something more serious. > > BTW, what is Tom's contact information. > > Thank You, > Dan > > > > > > --- On Sat 01/27, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com > > wrote: > > *From: *kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] > *To: *moydan at excite.com, naktalk at naks.com > *Date: *Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:54:01 -0800 (PST) > *Subject: *Re: [naktalk] BX-300 > > Hi Dan > having fixed many Naks including BX 300 and done gear drive upgrades > on CR7/ BX 300, I will give my opinon. Please take this is one shade > of opinion as you might hear from more people. > 1. Two head vs 3 head Nak - 3 head Naks are far superior to 2 head > because of Dual capstan padless tape travel + Nak three heads have > very good low frequency response. however if you are not recording > much and do not have expensive audio chain, a Nak 2 head might > surprise you and cost can be half of 3 heads. 3 head maintanence is > als expensive due to discrete head require special tools to align. > 2. BX 300 - can sound well provided heads are in correct alignment/ > checked for few trouble areas when you buy it. I would recommend (if > you buy it from some ebay seller) to get it checked by Tom who is a > Nak technician and a naktalk member. He is economical for BX 300 > check up and calibration. Eslabs is an alternate > service center takes up such work- cost is somthing need to be checked. > 3 Gear Drive upgrade requires experience and alignment after > replacement. You can do it but It may not be easy. The head > alignment/play/record/record bias level calibrations are not > necessarily could be done without correct tools. > Among the options of gear drive kit - new kit is expensive if at all > available - I have a set available for sale. Secondly take it from > some CR 1/2 deck privided those machines have working reel motors - > can be less than half the cost. So I would recommend idler tire > replacement which is much easier but require a bit of care - not to > damage the assembly plastic part. If you can do this , then this > option will be very very economical. This does not disturb the > transport and hence recommended if the alignments are perfect. > However you will not realize the full potential of BX 300 without > complete calibration/ > alignment for most of the used BX 300. > Kannan > > > */dan moy /* wrote: > > > New guy here... > > Hello, > I'm considering purchasing a BX-300 and from my research it > appears that this tape deck will both sound good and will fit my > budget; I think. > > I recently poppe! d in a tape in my car and was surprised at how > good it sounded. And I just so happened to have a box full of > tapes so I decided to purchase a tape deck. I realize that the > tape deck in my home may not sound as good as in my car because > there is a lot less background noise. > > But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this > particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor > discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and > then stopping. > > A few questions, (1) how important > is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording (2) how > expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and (3) can I > do the replacement my self? > > Regards, > Dan > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 27 23:21:06 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:21:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <000f01c74261$715f4b40$7300a8c0@Shaun> >.New guy here... >. >.Hello, >.I'm considering purchasing a BX-300.............A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head >.vs 2 head if I will not be recording (2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor >.and (3) can I do the replacement my self? >. >.Regards, >.Dan Dan, the BX-300 is a fine sounding machine that is not too expensive to buy. I don't know where you live but here in the UK a service and gear upgrade cost me £140. The work was carried out by Bowers & Wilkins and they did a good job. Three Nakamichi heads are better than two, though I don't think that the difference is that noticeable. I've got a BX-2 and a 550 and they both sound really nice. With less distractions at home you will appreciate the much quieter background hiss from a Nakamichi deck and in my opinion enjoy more than in the car. Have fun. Shaun From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 28 10:57:58 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070127185927.93366.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070128095758.12709.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Update; By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. Am I on the right track? Thanks, Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Well I'd be out $60 with nothing in my hand. It would be like flushing $60 down the toilet so I made an agreement with the seller to refund half my money and I keep the LX5. He told me that it sat for several years and that it did work at the time it was put away. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt because he sounded sincere. If that's the case maybe I just have a cleaning/lubrication issue??????? We'll see. I am not an electronics tech but I have some electronics background and am an auto mechanic so I'm not afraid to dig into it. Hopefully by the symptoms someone here can point me in the right direction. I do have a service manual. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. OK will $60 in parts and your labor fix the problems? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jan 28 11:21:51 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:21:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070128095758.12709.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070128095758.12709.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45BC793F.5040307@xs4all.nl> Hi Bob, Yes change this light and miracles will happen to your LX-5 :-) The mechanical cam problem could be dried grease and a worn belt that drives the cam. Wouter Bob Naylor wrote: > *Update;* > *By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads > move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then > stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape > counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button > several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the > tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned > and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo > electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the > manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm > assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I > believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops.* > *Am I on the right track?* > *Thanks, Bob* > > */Bob Naylor /* wrote: > > *Well I'd be out $60 with nothing in my hand. It would be like > flushing $60 down the toilet so I made an agreement with the > seller to refund half my money and I keep the LX5. He told me > that it sat for several years and that it did work at the time it > was put away. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt because > he sounded sincere. If that's the case maybe I just have a > cleaning/lubrication issue??????? We'll see. I am not an > electronics tech but I have some electronics background and am an > auto mechanic so I'm not afraid to dig into it. Hopefully by the > symptoms someone here can point me in the right direction. I do > have a service manual.* > *Bob* > > */Mikkel Breiler /* wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: > > >If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, > about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. > > OK will $60 in parts and your labor fix the problems? If not > you should return it for > a full refund, pending sellers accept. > > -Mikkel > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jan 28 12:50:09 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:50:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX-300 In-Reply-To: <200701271836.l0RIYPXB005995@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dan I've got two BX-300's and I've had to change the idler tire on both before I could use them at all. The first time it scared me because I was in awe of the lovely old Nak and I lacked experience and confidence. The second time I did it in maybe 15 minutes and it was very easy. The first BX I bought sounded better than I realised tape could sound - I've never regretted it. Good luck! Chris From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jan 28 13:50:24 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:50:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070128095758.12709.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070127185927.93366.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070128095758.12709.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jan 28 14:38:53 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:38:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <006901c7424b$7f132510$3601000a@gabrenas> References: <45BB647C.5050803@rcn.com> <006901c7424b$7f132510$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:44:01 -0700, "Victor Gabrenas" wrote: >I am going to throw my two cents here as well. I did get lucky on E-bay with >a very nice CR7A however got screwed on audiogon with the same model. There >are a lot a sleaze balls on any site. > >I do have a question for to throw out to this forum. Anyone have a good >source for metal bias tapes. Pref TDK MAR-90 or MAXG-90? The folks on E-bay >are way to greedy. Fleamarkets. Thriftstores. And all kinds of second hand shops run by religious people. Most of those people have zero clue and zero skills beyond soap and water and that is a good thing when you come across something to make up for all the bad things that happened on to one on eBay. If you do not find at such stores what you want to find, then let them know what you want. If you cannot find blanks cassettes for recording but only endless numbers of prerecorded titles it is probably due to a store policy. Especiallywith places where they accept donated stuff for reuse there is no reason not to tell the store what you want them to offer = not to decline to accept. -Mikkel. ob Zero, I don't like the new Zero Coca Cola. Whenever a prduct contains aspartam instead of sugar it tastes like... aspartam. From ylombard at voila.fr Sun Jan 28 17:08:06 2007 From: ylombard at voila.fr (ylombard at voila.fr) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:08:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks Message-ID: <12892992.549811170000486055.JavaMail.www@wwinf4105> Hi Marco, This remote control should work for the 670ZX since the user manual of this deck claims for a RM-200. If you confirm this, I'm interested in buying your product. Shipping is for France. Can you tell me how to proceed. Thank's Yves > Message du 26/01/07 à 16h18 > De : "Marco Manunta" > A : naktalk at naks.com > Copie à : > Objet : [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks > > Hi to everybody, > I have a new and cute remote control for all the Naks which work with RM-200, RM-850 and similar. It works with non-reverse and reverse decks as well. It is not a DIY afterhours product, this is a well-done commercial product with warranty (at least in the European Union). If you're interested, please go to www.m2tech.biz (the site is in its veeeery early development) or go to Ebay and look for marco.zip in the community to see my auction. I ship in all the world, except the States, where a dear friend of mine (Eslabs) is distributing the remote. Otherwise, post a reply to this thread. Price is 89 Euros, plus S/H. > > Marco > > P.S.: I'm not sure whether I'm infringing the netiquette of the forum with this e-mail. If this is hte case, please consider it was not my purpose. > _________________________________________________________________ > Prova Live.com: una sola home page per avere a portata di mano tutte le tue informazioni. > http://www.live.com/> > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (0.4 Ko) ] From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 28 17:54:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:54:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: References: <45BB647C.5050803@rcn.com> <006901c7424b$7f132510$3601000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <45BCD550.3000702@rcn.com> Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:44:01 -0700, "Victor Gabrenas" wrote: > >> I am going to throw my two cents here as well. I did get lucky on E-bay with >> a very nice CR7A however got screwed on audiogon with the same model. There >> are a lot a sleaze balls on any site. >> >> I do have a question for to throw out to this forum. Anyone have a good >> source for metal bias tapes. Pref TDK MAR-90 or MAXG-90? The folks on E-bay >> are way to greedy. > > Fleamarkets. Thriftstores. And all kinds of second hand shops run by religious > people. Most of those people have zero clue and zero skills beyond soap and water and > that is a good thing when you come across something to make up for all the bad things > that happened on to one on eBay. If you do not find at such stores what you want to > find, then let them know what you want. If you cannot find blanks cassettes for > recording but only endless numbers of prerecorded titles it is probably due to a > store policy. Especiallywith places where they accept donated stuff for reuse there > is no reason not to tell the store what you want them to offer = not to decline to > accept. > > -Mikkel. ob Zero, I don't like the new Zero Coca Cola. Whenever a prduct contains > aspartam instead of sugar it tastes like... aspartam. Not to mention that Aspartame is poison, but that's too OT. -- Ron From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sun Jan 28 21:05:41 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:05:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 References: <45BB647C.5050803@rcn.com> <006901c7424b$7f132510$3601000a@gabrenas> <45BCD550.3000702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <083201c74317$afc7bc80$9e274446@a72400shuttle> > Not to mention that Aspartame is poison, but that's too OT. > > -- Ron Well, after years of drinking diet pop and eating othe products with it, I finally cut all aspartame out of my diet last summer. It took awhile for the withdrawal symptoms to leave, but I feel so much better now. Simply amazing! One read of this website may convince you, too. http://www.sweetpoison.com/ Dennis From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 28 22:07:03 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71219.95377.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Mon Jan 29 02:16:52 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:16:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 VS LX-5 Message-ID: <20070129011652.B68F2BD65F@xprdmxin.myway.com> Can anyone give a comparision between these two units (BX-300 vs LX-5)?Also is there a way to search an archive of email messages, I cannot find one on the site?Thanks,Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 02:57:50 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:57:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <71219.95377.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070129015751.87028.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 05:30:59 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:30:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070129015751.87028.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070129043059.1156.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 06:19:35 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:19:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head height and azimuth adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: <20070129011652.B68F2BD65F@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, I remember someone on the list posting instructions on how you can adjust for azimuth and head height without using an oscilloscope? I have been trying to adjust my BX300 using my set of original Nak tapes/tools, which includes the jig for head height and tilt adjustment. I have been reading the service manual and the only thing I don't have access to at the moment is an oscilloscope. So is there an alternative to using an oscilloscope? Can I adjust for maximum output using the 1kHz tape once the tilt's been done and left with only the head height to do? Same thing for record head height once tilt's been done? As for azimuth, same bit about max output using the 15kHz tape? When I say maximum output, is listening by ear good enough? Thanks in advance for any answers..... _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ From manunta at hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 08:00:23 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New remote control for Nakamichi decks Message-ID: Good morning Yves, than you for your request. Yes, the remote is compatible with your deck. To receive it, you should pay in advance with Paypal (using my account on manunta at hotmail.com) or issuing a wire transfer on my bank account (I'll give you my swift number). I guess the former option is less expensive for you. Also, you should tell me whether you need the cable. The prices are: remote = 89 Euros, 1m cable = 5 Euros, 2m cable = 7.50 Euros, shipping = 6 Euros (no cable) or 8.50 Euros (with cable). Also, please specify the powering method (from the deck or from an external 12VDC wall adapter). Thanks a lot, Marco _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro ancora. http://www.live.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 15:55:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:55:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070127185927.93366.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3XK7RZmZPy9oeAWwWvDQz4=Xe8Lc@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070129085540.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> All you have to do is change the mode cam belt and it will repair all the issues. This is DIY. You can remove the top cover and rotate the white pulley with your finger to check my diagnosis. tom brucker At 10:59 AM 1/27/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Well I'd be out $60 with nothing in my hand. It would be like flushing $60 down the toilet so I made an agreement with the seller to refund half my money and I keep the LX5. He told me that it sat for several years and that it did work at the time it was put away. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt because he sounded sincere. If that's the case maybe I just have a cleaning/lubrication issue??????? We'll see. I am not an electronics tech but I have some electronics background and am an auto mechanic so I'm not afraid to dig into it. Hopefully by the symptoms someone here can point me in the right direction. I do have a service manual. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:06 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >If I did that I would be out shipping in both directions, about $60.00US. I hope to work out a compromise with the seller. OK will $60 in parts and your labor fix the problems? If not you should return it for a full refund, pending sellers accept. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 15:52:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:52:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 In-Reply-To: <45BB94BC.5090101@rcn.com> References: <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> <20070127143533.453F18B33D@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070129085256.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> In my opinion the idler tire sounds better. It has a different flutter character, and is less audible. With practice you can do it in 10 minutes! tom brucker At 01:06 PM 1/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >dan moy wrote: >> New guy here... >> >> Hello, >> I'm considering purchasing a BX-300 and from my research it appears that this tape deck will both sound good and will fit my budget; I think. >> >> I recently popped in a tape in my car and was surprised at how good it sounded. And I just so happened to have a box full of tapes so I decided to purchase a tape deck. I realize that the tape deck in my home may not sound as good as in my car because there is a lot less background noise. >> >> But here I go; there seems to be a lot of discussion about this particular model and idler motor/tire problems. The motor discussions are centered around the unit playing for a while and then stopping. >> >> A few questions, (1) how important is a 3 head vs 2 head if I will not be recording > >In a three head deck, each head is optimized for its function, as >is the electronics. This improves playback sounds quality. In >addition (and unimportant for you) this also improves recording >sound quality and provides monitoring off the tape while >recording. > >(2) how expensive is it to replace/upgrade the idler motor and ... > >The idler tire (not motor) is a consumable part. It needs >to be replaced, as a matter of routine maintenance, once >every couple of years or so. If done, it will not be any >more troublesome than any other part of the deck. > >The cost of the idler tire is less than a buck. > >(3) can I do the replacement my self? > >Replacing the idler tire takes about 20 minutes and can be >mastered by anyone with average (or somewhat above) technical >capability. It's no more difficult than, say, changing the oil >in a car or replacing the battery in a watch. > >-- Ron > > > > >> >> Regards, >> Dan >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 16:21:16 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:21:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Head height and azimuth adjustment on BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <20070129011652.B68F2BD65F@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070129092116.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> Wow, gauges and tapes but no test equipment. That is a turn-about! Adjust play head height with the track alignment tape. You are listening for minimum output so raise your volume, and set for null (no tone). Adjust play azimuth by monitoring in MONO. The correct alignment will be maximum level with minimum phase sound. Now set record head height for maximum record level, and azimuth with record levels at -20Vu, dolby off monitored in MONO. You may use an analog VU meter set for visual feedback, You will find that you can sometimes set near peak with 2 channels balanced, or imbalanced. Always set for the balanced condition rather than the absolute peak. tom brucker At 05:19 AM 1/29/07 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi guys, > >I remember someone on the list posting instructions on how you can adjust >for azimuth and head height without using an oscilloscope? > >I have been trying to adjust my BX300 using my set of original Nak >tapes/tools, which includes the jig for head height and tilt adjustment. I >have been reading the service manual and the only thing I don't have access >to at the moment is an oscilloscope. So is there an alternative to using an >oscilloscope? Can I adjust for maximum output using the 1kHz tape once the >tilt's been done and left with only the head height to do? Same thing for >record head height once tilt's been done? As for azimuth, same bit about max >output using the 15kHz tape? When I say maximum output, is listening by ear >good enough? > >Thanks in advance for any answers..... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. >http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 16:13:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:13:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070129043059.1156.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070129015751.87028.qmail@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070129091320.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 17:47:47 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070129091320.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070129164747.18322.qmail@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Thanks! I'll check all the levels etc in the "cassette deck 1" Tapes recorded on the cassette deck 1 sound fine with dolby-C played back on two "MR1's" , just strange on the LX5. What it sounds like playing back on the LX5 is that the dolby-c is trying to constantly make adjustments??? Hard to describe. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 17:59:18 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:59:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070129091320.0084a6c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <854622.61169.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Head height, Azimuth,Play level, Meter Level and record level and bias calibrations all to be done in correct sequence. Then both machines would work as expected for Doby. I would not expect this could be done without nakamichi alignment gages and tapes. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 18:46:03 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:46:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <854622.61169.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070129174603.29979.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, I have Luis' alignment tapes, a service manual, a good "Mac Tools" DVOM, it looks like it's made by Fluke. Outside of that I have to fake it. I also have a DSO (digital storage scope) for automotive so it may be able to be used. Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Head height, Azimuth,Play level, Meter Level and record level and bias calibrations all to be done in correct sequence. Then both machines would work as expected for Doby. I would not expect this could be done without nakamichi alignment gages and tapes. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 18:55:37 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:55:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <20070129174603.29979.qmail@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <588530.85327.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes probably if LX 5 play levels are at least near about correct level- Dolby mistracking will vanish. Try your luck. My comments were meant for perfection in Alignment and calibration. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Kannan, I have Luis' alignment tapes, a service manual, a good "Mac Tools" DVOM, it looks like it's made by Fluke. Outside of that I have to fake it. I also have a DSO (digital storage scope) for automotive so it may be able to be used. Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Head height, Azimuth,Play level, Meter Level and record level and bias calibrations all to be done in correct sequence. Then both machines would work as expected for Doby. I would not expect this could be done without nakamichi alignment gages and tapes. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 19:34:22 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:34:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] defective LX5 In-Reply-To: <588530.85327.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070129183423.28547.qmail@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like perfection too. Up until this LX5, everything I have seems to be compatible with each other, cassette deck 1, 1.5, 2, MR1(2 of them), and soon a CR3. My tapes playback great on all machines no matter which machine does the recording until the LX5. More experiments tomorrow on my day off. The LX5 was the first Nak I wanted back in the early 80's but I was recently married and trying to buy a house etc so an $800 cassette deck had to go on the back burner. So now that I'm 50 years young I can buy some toys! BTW this LX5 is a dual voltage machine, 220V or 120V. I wonder if there's any difference in the two(other than the voltages)? Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Yes probably if LX 5 play levels are at least near about correct level- Dolby mistracking will vanish. Try your luck. My comments were meant for perfection in Alignment and calibration. Kannan Bob Naylor wrote: Kannan, I have Luis' alignment tapes, a service manual, a good "Mac Tools" DVOM, it looks like it's made by Fluke. Outside of that I have to fake it. I also have a DSO (digital storage scope) for automotive so it may be able to be used. Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Head height, Azimuth,Play level, Meter Level and record level and bias calibrations all to be done in correct sequence. Then both machines would work as expected for Doby. I would not expect this could be done without nakamichi alignment gages and tapes. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Dolby level calibration (record level calibration) is very critical when using C. tom brucker At 08:30 PM 1/28/07 -0800, Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> Update #3, I have discovered by my error that the LX5 plays back dolby-C that were recorded on my "cassette deck 1.5" It doesn't like the "cassette deck 1" I made an error keeping track of my tapes! Has anyone had dolby-C compatibility problems between different decks? Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Update #2, This LX5 does not like to playback dolby-C tape recorded on another Nak. When the LX5 records with dolby-C it sounds great on itself and also sounds fine payed back on myother Naks. Back to the service manual. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: OK it's fixed! A friend had a lamp for the auto stop board. The transport seems to be working fine after some use. It'll get cleaned etc (best I can while all together) lubed etc before the covers go back on. The deck was quite under biased for my Maxell XL1, XL2, & MX. I got that taken care of. Got lucky on this one. It was still a few hours job and running around to get that lamp. It has been playing for over an hour now. I've stopped and restarted the tape, go between FF and REW and all is well for now. I'll keep everyone updated. Mikkel, thanks for your expanations. Bob Mikkel Breiler wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57:58 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Update; > By operating the controls and helping the large white gear the heads move into position and the tape runs for about a half second then stops. I can get it to try to FF & REW but also stops. The tape counter also does not move/count. After operating the play button several times I can get the heads to almost make contact with the tape. Maybe this is from a lack of use and now it needs to be cleaned and lubed? I noticed that the auto stop board has a lamp and a photo electric transistor and the lamp does not light. According to the manual it's a 12V lamp. There is 12V at the lamp leads so I'm assuming the lamp is burned out which tells the machine to stop. I believe this is why the machine only runs for a 1/2 second then stops. > Am I on the right track? Yes you are. If the Auto Stop assembly detects no movement the current operation will be stopped, wether the function is record, play, fast rewind/forward doesn't matter. Fit a small white LED with a resistor to drop the voltage in place of the lamp and you should not have a problem with the autostop feature getting defect for the rest of *your* life. LEDs beat changing bulbs! This is also a good measure if you restore to sell off. The less maintenence you can introduce without detracting the value all makes for a better sales point. Especially when the item at hand gets sold to people who are less DIY-capable. As for the mechanical aspects, if you can easily move the assembly by hand by turning the wheels around with a finger then I expect the oil and other lubrication (for sliding mechanisms) to be functioning, but if after chaning the belts involved in the transports the mechanism still has problems moving evenly, or motors sound like they are pulling to big a load then you need to get it all out, remove the old lubrication and reoil all rotating elements and regrease sliding mechanisms. If you're familir with repairing cars then repairing audio will - be fiddling like you usually do only in smaller areas. - command finer tools. - being used to suspending the item you are working on might be a good idea and many decks do not lend themselves to easy repairs, so get a used soft blanket or a couple of towels and place the deck on when working, also place cosmetic parts on a seperate towel. Since there is minimal amounts of oil, grease and other difficult stuff you can just use a towel you were goingto wash anyway, and once the item is reassmbled and workign correctly just throw the towels back in the laundry - or start the laundry machine the minute you're done. With any luck it takes 30 minutes before it spins the laundry at high speed and you can enjoy the music from whatever you were fixing largely uninterrupted until that happens. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Best regards Franz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jan 30 08:24:42 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:54:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs References: <200701291836.l0TIajox011107@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00af01c7443f$b7eba290$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi all For sometime i have seen people looking out for test jigs for calibrating their NAKs and I too would like to have a set for myself, knowing fully well this is rare or even bordering on the unavailable. Would it be possible for owners to post pics and dimensions so that these can be fabricated again ? What does everybody think ? Best regards Soumi From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 30 08:38:23 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:38:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <00af01c7443f$b7eba290$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200701291836.l0TIajox011107@zxe.naks.com> <00af01c7443f$b7eba290$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45BEF5EF.40609@peromarta.org> I agree. I probably can be done, and I am willing to help. LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > For sometime i have seen people looking out for test jigs for calibrating > their NAKs and I too would like to have a set for myself, knowing fully well > this is rare or even bordering on the unavailable. > Would it be possible for owners to post pics and dimensions so that these > can be fabricated again ? > > What does everybody think ? > > Best regards > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 30 17:44:37 2007 From: edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net (edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:44:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Da Newbile Message-ID: <20070130164437.HIIW23929.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> It's an honor to be amongst friends of the mighty NAK brand here and the site is excellent! I own a ZX-9,BX-100,TD-560, and a 5 disc changer at the present time but have also used alot more of their car audio stuff as well. I just hope the cassette quality will not go south too fast so I can still warrant keeping these things a little longer and enjoying the fantastic audio performance for many years to come. VIVA DA NAK!!!! Tommy Hatcher NashVegas, TN From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 17:55:08 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:55:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Da Newbile In-Reply-To: <20070130164437.HIIW23929.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <897844.74285.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tommy, I couldnt have said it better. You stole the thoughts off my mind. welcome to naktalk. A fellow member ram edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net wrote: It's an honor to be amongst friends of the mighty NAK brand here and the site is excellent! I own a ZX-9,BX-100,TD-560, and a 5 disc changer at the present time but have also used alot more of their car audio stuff as well. I just hope the cassette quality will not go south too fast so I can still warrant keeping these things a little longer and enjoying the fantastic audio performance for many years to come. VIVA DA NAK!!!! Tommy Hatcher NashVegas, TN ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 30 19:27:29 2007 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:27:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS Cr-7a Please contact off list with any questions Message-ID: <45BF8E11.2040509@bellsouth.net> Cr-7a, Cr-5a, and ZX-9 for sale. Please contact off list with any questions. Pics available also. Thanks. Stanley Pickens From ady at spamcop.net Tue Jan 30 23:13:46 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:13:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? Message-ID: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> just noticed this on ebay uk: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam some one posted about recently? If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! adrian From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 00:22:07 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:22:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? In-Reply-To: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> References: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10701301522m6e07f4c5q9aeac4152df6d349@mail.gmail.com> Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted about. Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use "Ask the seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". Blatantly fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within half an hour. Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and you might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ George On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: > just noticed this on ebay uk: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- > EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte > m > > > i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam > some one posted about recently? > > > If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, > the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! > > > adrian > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ady at spamcop.net Wed Jan 31 01:40:11 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:40:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? In-Reply-To: <518b7b10701301522m6e07f4c5q9aeac4152df6d349@mail.gmail.com> References: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> <518b7b10701301522m6e07f4c5q9aeac4152df6d349@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B021E93-B7DD-4CCC-9607-8657292F41AF@spamcop.net> yep... this is the one.. my link didn't work in the email.. too long.. since i reported them for selling violations, the naks have been removed now but the seller still has over 100 high end hifi for sale with a yahoo email and intructions for not bidding! i've reported this... it looks like another honest seller has been hijacked.. insecure passwords maybe? adrian On 30 Jan 2007, at 23:22, george valkov wrote: > Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted > about. > > Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of > clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and > photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no > bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use "Ask the > seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". Blatantly > fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within half > an hour. > > Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and you > might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ > > George > > On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: >> just noticed this on ebay uk: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- >> EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZView >> Ite >> m >> >> >> i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam >> some one posted about recently? >> >> >> If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, >> the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! >> >> >> adrian >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 31 02:40:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:40:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS Cr-7a Please contact off list with any questions In-Reply-To: <45BF8E11.2040509@bellsouth.net> References: <45BF8E11.2040509@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45BFF394.9090504@rcn.com> Hi, What is the condition of the CR-7 (operational and cosmetic, especially condition of the front panel)? How much do your want for it? Where are you located? TIA, -- Ron Stanley P. Pickens wrote: > Cr-7a, Cr-5a, and ZX-9 for sale. > > Please contact off list with any questions. > > Pics available also. > > Thanks. > > Stanley Pickens From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jan 31 06:24:42 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:24:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? References: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> <518b7b10701301522m6e07f4c5q9aeac4152df6d349@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c744f8$220cc970$58d417c4@home> George ,that is surprising! I tried many times to get sBay to do something when a couple a months ago the 1000ZXL and and highend Naim equipment was similarly hosted.Members of this forum might remember my ranting! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? > Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted about. > > Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of > clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and > photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no > bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use "Ask the > seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". Blatantly > fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within half > an hour. > > Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and you > might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ > > George > > On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: >> just noticed this on ebay uk: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- >> EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte >> m >> >> >> i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam >> some one posted about recently? >> >> >> If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, >> the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! >> >> >> adrian >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ady at spamcop.net Wed Jan 31 10:29:22 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:29:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? In-Reply-To: <001801c744f8$220cc970$58d417c4@home> References: <0EA64944-D02F-4392-8FD0-1B992CE2A96E@spamcop.net> <518b7b10701301522m6e07f4c5q9aeac4152df6d349@mail.gmail.com> <001801c744f8$220cc970$58d417c4@home> Message-ID: i did two things last night with eBay.. I used one of their, I guess it's automated, item number reporting systems for auctions that try to get past paying fees.. you can report up to 10 item numbers this way.... after i got fed up doing this and this seller had so many high end items, I used report the a member who you think has had their account compromised section... all you need to do it enter the ebay name of the seller you think has been compromised and an explanation... I did this last night and this morning all the very dodgy looking auctions have gone from his shop.. it seems like ebay works sometimes! adrian On 31 Jan 2007, at 05:24, drewes wrote: > George ,that is surprising! I tried many times to get sBay to do > something when a couple a months ago the 1000ZXL and and highend > Naim equipment was similarly hosted.Members of this forum might > remember my ranting! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? > > >> Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted >> about. >> >> Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of >> clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and >> photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no >> bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use "Ask the >> seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". Blatantly >> fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within >> half >> an hour. >> >> Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and >> you >> might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ >> >> George >> >> On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: >>> just noticed this on ebay uk: >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- >>> EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >>> wIte >>> m >>> >>> >>> i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam >>> some one posted about recently? >>> >>> >>> If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, >>> the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! >>> >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 31 15:39:26 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:39:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Amzing Article on eBay! Message-ID: Hello Folks, Just found this "law" article on eBay! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2570548.html ALEX! _________________________________________________________________ Get connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 31 15:50:01 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:50:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <860096.33345.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Adrian, Do you have any user names etc to help us identify them? Bob Adrian Finn wrote: i did two things last night with eBay.. I used one of their, I guess it's automated, item number reporting systems for auctions that try to get past paying fees.. you can report up to 10 item numbers this way.... after i got fed up doing this and this seller had so many high end items, I used report the a member who you think has had their account compromised section... all you need to do it enter the ebay name of the seller you think has been compromised and an explanation... I did this last night and this morning all the very dodgy looking auctions have gone from his shop.. it seems like ebay works sometimes! adrian On 31 Jan 2007, at 05:24, drewes wrote: > George ,that is surprising! I tried many times to get sBay to do > something when a couple a months ago the 1000ZXL and and highend > Naim equipment was similarly hosted.Members of this forum might > remember my ranting! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? > > >> Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted >> about. >> >> Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of >> clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and >> photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no >> bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use "Ask the >> seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". Blatantly >> fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within >> half >> an hour. >> >> Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and >> you >> might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ >> >> George >> >> On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: >>> just noticed this on ebay uk: >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- >>> EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >>> wIte >>> m >>> >>> >>> i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam >>> some one posted about recently? >>> >>> >>> If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, >>> the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! >>> >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <860096.33345.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <860096.33345.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0A02DC5A-9AA2-41D4-A921-FDE138E0DE91@spamcop.net> hi bob.. it definately looked as if the ebay user concerned had been hijacked... the unsuspecting user was tonyc7713, not that that really matters anymore.. if you have a look at his shop now all the hifi seems to have been deleted.. all the offending ads, including the Nak ones stated to contact the seller privately on this email: marian2780 at yahoo.com if you see the above email again.. it's a definate scam... and the 1000ZXL image I've seen loads of times and it looks as if it's been taken in someone's kitchen! hope this helps adrian On 31 Jan 2007, at 14:50, Bob Naylor wrote: > Adrian, > Do you have any user names etc to help us identify them? > Bob > > Adrian Finn wrote: > i did two things last night with eBay.. > > I used one of their, I guess it's automated, item number reporting > systems for auctions that try to get past paying fees.. you can > report up to 10 item numbers this way.... > > after i got fed up doing this and this seller had so many high end > items, I used report the a member who you think has had their > account compromised section... all you need to do it enter the ebay > name of the seller you think has been compromised and an > explanation... > > I did this last night and this morning all the very dodgy looking > auctions have gone from his shop.. > > it seems like ebay works sometimes! > > adrian > > > On 31 Jan 2007, at 05:24, drewes wrote: > > > George ,that is surprising! I tried many times to get sBay to do > > something when a couple a months ago the 1000ZXL and and highend > > Naim equipment was similarly hosted.Members of this forum might > > remember my ranting! > > Walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "george valkov" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] is this the 1000zxl ebay scam again? > > > > > >> Item already closed, so can't tell if it's the same one I posted > >> about. > >> > >> Someone had hijacked the ebay account of an honest seller (of > >> clothing) and set up close to 400 auctions for high-end hi-fi and > >> photo equipment - all of them with buy it now for 900 GBP and "no > >> bidding in the auction" and "direct payment" and "do not use > "Ask the > >> seller a question" but write to this email adress instead". > Blatantly > >> fraudulent, I reported it to ebay and they pulled the plug within > >> half > >> an hour. > >> > >> Next time you see one of these, check out seller's other items and > >> you > >> might be pleasantly surprised by some incredible "bargains"./ > >> > >> George > >> > >> On 1/30/07, Adrian Finn wrote: > >>> just noticed this on ebay uk: > >>> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-NAKAMICHI-1000-ZXL-GOLD-LIMITED- > >>> > EDITION_W0QQitemZ190078089710QQihZ009QQcategoryZ60379QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie > >>> wIte > >>> m > >>> > >>> > >>> i've seen this ad with the same image many times? Is this the scam > >>> some one posted about recently? > >>> > >>> > >>> If so I'll contact eBay and complain.... the more we notice these, > >>> the less likely this seller is to advertise, I'd hope! > >>> > >>> > >>> adrian > >>> > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >>> naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >> naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ady at spamcop.net Wed Jan 31 18:24:26 2007 From: ady at spamcop.net (Adrian Finn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:24:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <45BEF5EF.40609@peromarta.org> References: <200701291836.l0TIajox011107@zxe.naks.com> <00af01c7443f$b7eba290$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> <45BEF5EF.40609@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <40CBEBE2-46A9-451C-96B2-FB6A5A30509A@spamcop.net> yes that would be a fantastic idea... i have access to machine tools and experienced engineering relatives with a bit of time on their hands who could help.. which jig is the most useful or the one you can't really do without? regards adrian On 30 Jan 2007, at 07:38, Luis Peromarta wrote: > I agree. I probably can be done, and I am willing to help. > > LP. > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Hi all >> For sometime i have seen people looking out for test jigs for >> calibrating >> their NAKs and I too would like to have a set for myself, knowing >> fully well >> this is rare or even bordering on the unavailable. >> Would it be possible for owners to post pics and dimensions so >> that these >> can be fabricated again ? >> What does everybody think ? >> Best regards >> Soumi >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 31 19:45:31 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:15:31 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs Message-ID: <000f01c74567$fdd59710$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> We still havent got any response from the veterans towards this ... We need pics, maybe general but preferably in plan, elevation (sections if possible too), dimensions (either if known or measured with verniers etc). Surely we dont want this to die out ? Best Soumi From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 31 20:13:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:13:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs In-Reply-To: <000f01c74567$fdd59710$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070131131351.00852810@earthlink.net> I am working on locating a spare set of jigs. If I succeed, I will send jigs out to be measured. The original set cost $750 back in the 80s, so I would not pretend you can afford to have a set duplicated for anything less than that amount. The jigs are not independent of the tapes, so the track alignemtn hurdle continues to loom. In my mind the first step is to make a track tape. I have a method I will experiment with if I ever have time :( . The gauges are organized into 2 head and 3 head types. The Guide height gauges are the "can't live without" gauges, but the Information Terminals M 300 is universal and works just as well. Stroke check gauges are not critical. Head tilt gauges are the complex and indespensible. Erase head tilt gauges have circuit boards attached, so they present special problems. tom brucker At 12:15 AM 2/1/07 +0530, you wrote: >We still havent got any response from the veterans towards this ... >We need pics, maybe general but preferably in plan, elevation (sections if >possible too), dimensions (either if known or measured with verniers etc). >Surely we dont want this to die out ? > >Best >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 31 20:19:28 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:49:28 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Test Jigs Message-ID: <002a01c7456c$bbbabb30$0401a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi Tom It would be good to see the pics of the jigs laid out on a table if possible ... could you arrange that ? Best Regards Soumi g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-July.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jul 1 02:49:15 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 02:49:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness In-Reply-To: <937379.56376.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <061320071308.1560.466FEC5A000791E30000061822165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <937379.56376.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:24:09 -0700 (PDT), LENA WONG wrote: >Another round of TDK MA-R madness. Please click on the list of the seller within this ebay item # 160132929502 to view the current situation. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzebra47QQhtZ-1 > The seller even re-paint some of his MA-R with different color other than the offical silver !!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160132925493 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160132925851 -Mikkel From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Jul 1 05:47:20 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:47:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness References: <937379.56376.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c7bb92$872f45b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Mike, You are right it is nuts...but I guess as there are several bids on these, there is a demand and that is current market price!!!.. I only have the one MA-R tape, and at that rate, that is the way it will stay! Interestingly, a couple of the bidders are resident Nakkers...and so confirms that 'we' are beyond reasonable hope :o) ( of salvation from our affliction) Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness Another round of TDK MA-R madness. Please click on the list of the seller within this ebay item # 160132929502 to view the current situation. The seller even re-paint some of his MA-R with different color other than the offical silver !!!! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:19:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness In-Reply-To: <006201c7bb92$872f45b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <20070701101917.52695.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin, Its just not affliction anymore. It's an addiction..... Naks and MA-Rs are an unbeatable combination. This one may exceed the $30 norm for used MA-Rs I guess. Ram Martin & Karen Short wrote: Mike, You are right it is nuts...but I guess as there are several bids on these, there is a demand and that is current market price!!!.. I only have the one MA-R tape, and at that rate, that is the way it will stay! Interestingly, a couple of the bidders are resident Nakkers...and so confirms that 'we' are beyond reasonable hope :o) ( of salvation from our affliction) Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness Another round of TDK MA-R madness. Please click on the list of the seller within this ebay item # 160132929502 to view the current situation. The seller even re-paint some of his MA-R with different color other than the offical silver !!!! 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 18:30:24 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:30:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Somebody Got a DEAL Message-ID: <070120071630.10018.4687D6A0000217EB0000272222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I just witnessed the end of that auction for the group of 78 Nakamichi decks currently sitting somewhere in London. Final price: 310 pounds! (Between $621 and $622 U.S. dollars) By my estimation, each deck, in its current state, is worth between $20.00 and $30.00. Fix them up, and I estimate that the MINIMUM price for each deck would be around $50.00. Even if some of the decks cannot be repaired, there is still a chance sor someone to make quite a tidy profit! Too bad I don't live in the UK...(at least at the moment)...I would have been in there like a shot! *andy* From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 01:47:32 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:47:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Somebody Got a DEAL References: <070120071630.10018.4687D6A0000217EB0000272222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005201c7bc3a$3176c1e0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > I just witnessed the end of that auction for the group of 78 Nakamichi decks currently sitting somewhere in London. > > Final price: 310 pounds! (Between $621 and $622 U.S. dollars) > > By my estimation, each deck, in its current state, is worth between $20.00 and $30.00. > > Fix them up, and I estimate that the MINIMUM price for each deck would be around $50.00. > > Even if some of the decks cannot be repaired, there is still a chance sor someone to make quite a tidy profit! > > Too bad I don't live in the UK...(at least at the moment)...I would have been in there like a shot! The relatively low price is the price the seller pays for being too lazy to post them individually where he would probably end up making a lot more money in the end but at the expense of it being a lot more transactions to deal with. I would assume the buyer fully realized that he'd be able to pretty easily turn his purchase around for a pretty sizeable profit - I've done this a few times, but with smaller items that are a bit easier to store - 78 tape decks would take up a pretty good amount of space. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From robertleo1 at msn.com Sun Jul 1 23:54:47 2007 From: robertleo1 at msn.com (robert black) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:54:47 GMT Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: I have a bx-125 that has a level mismatch,it is noticeable on playback of the recorded tape.The right channel is louder than the left.It is noticeable when playing back on another deck also. I have a service manual and a test tape on order.Can anyone help me with this adjustment?I am a newbie...thanks Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjoyner5 at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 08:43:20 2007 From: jjoyner5 at comcast.net (Jim Joyner) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 02:43:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor Message-ID: <000001c7bc74$4db60070$0401a8c0@wsxp> Hello, I have an RX-202 that seems to have a weak cam motor. I can get it to function for awhile after assisting it with the case open. Is this a common problem and is there an easy fix? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 16:10:03 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:10:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor Message-ID: <070220071410.11741.4689073B000C388500002DDD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Are you talking about the control motor? If so, have you tried spraying some contact cleaner on the three leaf switches? When the control motor switches get dirty, they can cause all sorts of problems. What I usually do is cut a thin piece of index card, soak it with contact cleaner, and then scrub the leaf switch contact whilst GENTLY pressing down on the leaf switch to maintain pressure. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 17:42:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:42:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Please Help Diagnose This Deck Message-ID: <070220071542.14846.46891CE1000637B6000039FE22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello All: I am getting my Harman Kardon CD391 deck back into shape after a few years of it sitting in a closet. This deck has the exact same Sankyo tape transport found in Nakamichi BX series, CR series, etc. It is a 2-head deck with dual capstans. I have replaced the idler tyre which of course made the RW and FF functions MUCH stronger. However, there seems to be a good deal of tape skewing or maybe something else...HERE ARE THE SYMPTOMS: FIRST, THE BIGGEST POSSIBLE CLUE: When I first powered this deck up after all that time sitting, the pinch rollers did NOT seem to be rotating against the capstans. I pushed on the pinch roller arms and that seemed to loosen them up more. Now they push against the capstans and rotate OK...but I have only witnessed that when a tape is NOT in the deck. Meter readouts are VERY low...on pre-recorded tapes that easily register well above 0 dB on my Naks, the meters on this deck barely go above -20 dB. Sound seems a bit muddled, but this could be my imagination. It has damaged one (only one) tape. I heard a crinkling sound and when I examined the tape, it was all mangled and twisted looking. All heads, pinch rollers, and capstans have been thoroughly cleaned and demagnetized. What are your thoughts? *andy* From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 18:23:51 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor In-Reply-To: <000001c7bc74$4db60070$0401a8c0@wsxp> Message-ID: <185769.40146.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, unfortunately it is a common problem and it can be fixed, but, it's not that easy. The motor developes dead spots because the motor is always at the same exact position when it is powered up to do a mode change and the high current vaporizes a tiny bit of metal everytime. Anyway, one way to fix it is to take the motor apart and with fine grit sand paper clean the contacts on the rotor. The coat with a light lubricant and reassembly. You could also take the motor out of the deck, get it spinning and spray a lubricant into the small holes in the back and let it run for an hour. Jim Joyner wrote: Hello, I have an RX-202 that seems to have a weak cam motor. I can get it to function for awhile after assisting it with the case open. Is this a common problem and is there an easy fix? Thanks, Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 2 18:27:17 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:27:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor In-Reply-To: <070220071410.11741.4689073B000C388500002DDD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <070220071410.11741.4689073B000C388500002DDD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46892765.8090808@rcn.com> Just as likely (actually, more so ) is crud inside the motor. If light, it can be removed by spraying cleaning liquid though the openings in the back. A better, longer lasting solution is to rebuild it. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Are you talking about the control motor? If so, have you tried spraying some contact cleaner on the three leaf switches? When the control motor switches get dirty, they can cause all sorts of problems. > > What I usually do is cut a thin piece of index card, soak it with contact cleaner, and then scrub the leaf switch contact whilst GENTLY pressing down on the leaf switch to maintain pressure. > > *andy* From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Jul 2 19:28:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:28:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Please Help Diagnose This Deck Message-ID: Andy, I always suspect mechanical issues before electrical, therefore:- The rollers must run freely and positively engage the capstans, check this before adjusting anything. Seems that the tape is not travelling accross the heads very well. I'm not familiar with this deck but a tape travelling cassette would reveal this. This could cause the loss of level in each channel. There could be a number of reasons - Lead in pinch roller / tape guide would be the first thing to check the position of. if you have a tape travelling cassette, you can adjust until you get the highest equal level on both channels as a rough guide. There are instructions how to make one of these cassettes in several Nak Service Manuals. Azimuth / Zenith of the roller is important i.e. are they square / level to the heads. If rollers are adjusted correctly, are the heads level / square? Good Luck, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jul 2 20:24:19 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:24:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 10:07:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Yes, unfortunately it is a common problem and it can be fixed, but, it's not that easy. The motor developes dead spots because the motor is always at the same exact position when it is powered up to do a mode change and the high current vaporizes a tiny bit of metal everytime. Anyway, one way to fix it is to take the motor apart and with fine grit sand paper clean the contacts on the rotor. The coat with a light lubricant and reassembly. You could also take the motor out of the deck, get it spinning and spray a lubricant into the small holes in the back and let it run for an hour. You don't actually have to take the motor out of the deck. DeOxIt through the flexible plastic pipe which comes with the DeOxIt can be applied to the motor slots while it is still mounted. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 06:04:26 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cam Motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <705077.73231.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like taking it off so that the motor is not under load. Current will be low and won't cause as much arcing as when loaded. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/2/2007 10:07:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Yes, unfortunately it is a common problem and it can be fixed, but, it's not that easy. The motor developes dead spots because the motor is always at the same exact position when it is powered up to do a mode change and the high current vaporizes a tiny bit of metal everytime. Anyway, one way to fix it is to take the motor apart and with fine grit sand paper clean the contacts on the rotor. The coat with a light lubricant and reassembly. You could also take the motor out of the deck, get it spinning and spray a lubricant into the small holes in the back and let it run for an hour. You don't actually have to take the motor out of the deck. DeOxIt through the flexible plastic pipe which comes with the DeOxIt can be applied to the motor slots while it is still mounted. JW --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not at all "grippy" like I think it ought to be. I need to make a tape traveling cassette anyhow, so it looks like a good time to do it! Thanks, *andy* From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 01:52:03 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:52:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: <8C98BE44A591DE1-888-235C@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone know a source for the Sankyo 2 head transport counter belt- OCO8604A? Scott's FAQ PRB cross reference doesn't list that one. Or anybody know the PRB part# for that one? Vintage electronics won't sell me individual belts, just the kits. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 02:01:16 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:01:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement Message-ID: <8C98BE593EB9A81-888-2394@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 4 06:36:56 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <8C98BE593EB9A81-888-2394@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <391912.23637.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 4 02:57:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: <8C98BE44A591DE1-888-235C@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <61014.7559.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, And Vintage electronics sold me a belt kit for the TEAC z-7000 with only the cam belt and called it a kit. No capstan belt at all. I just gave up on that. Ram danbarham at aol.com wrote: Does anyone know a source for the Sankyo 2 head transport counter belt- OCO8604A? Scott's FAQ PRB cross reference doesn't list that one. Or anybody know the PRB part# for that one? Vintage electronics won't sell me individual belts, just the kits. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 4 04:35:41 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:35:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <8C98BE593EB9A81-888-2394@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98BE593EB9A81-888-2394@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <468B077D.40502@rcn.com> IME, electrolytic capacitors do not deteriorate slowly over a long time. Once they start to go, they fail quickly. So, personally, I do not believe in mass replacement campaigns. I replace those that fail, and that has happened to me surprisingly seldom. When replacing electrolytics, be aware that those in the signal path are of the 'high frequency type, with low ESR well beyond the audio range. I have used Panasonic FC series successfully. Purists like to spend as lot more, though. -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in > Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, > especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall > any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their > tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, > many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing > all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps > better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad > run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would > be appreciated. > > Dan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 4 11:06:14 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:06:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belts References: <8C98BE44A591DE1-888-235C@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007a01c7be1a$932f0d70$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Dan U could try mailing the Italian guy who sells on Ebay. I had a 'set' from hin for a CR-3 [service kit], as did Jeff W, & they proved to be very good although the CR series isn't as tetchy as the older mechs. I also contacted him, separately, re a single capstan belt for the 480Z & he was able to quote. Try him & let me know how U get on. His email is joboz at libero.it & as I said his add does regularly run on Ebay. Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: danbarham at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Belts Does anyone know a source for the Sankyo 2 head transport counter belt- OCO8604A? Scott's FAQ PRB cross reference doesn't list that one. Or anybody know the PRB part# for that one? Vintage electronics won't sell me individual belts, just the kits. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Jul 4 12:33:50 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics Message-ID: Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:35:41 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <468B077D.40502 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >IME, electrolytic capacitors do not deteriorate slowly over a long time. Once they start to go, they fail quickly. So, personally, I do not believe in mass replacement campaigns. I replace those that fail, and that has happened to me surprisingly seldom. >When replacing electrolytics, be aware that those in the signal path are of the 'high frequency type, with low ESR well beyond the audio range. I have used Panasonic FC series successfully. Purists like to spend as lot more, though. >-- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 4 15:05:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:05:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468B9AFE.3080505@rcn.com> David Thompson wrote: > Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. > > Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a > deck? Depends on how you define 'failing'... Caps leak, even when new. They are spec'ed for max. leakage. In some caps, leakage increases over the years. A leaking coupling cap will inject some DC into the succeeding stage and change the operating point. This can audibly increase distortion. Shelf life of electrolytic caps is far shorter than their service life. That's why a deck that has been stored for a long time can come up dead, while a similar deck that was regularly used is still working beautifully. Some leaking caps actually improve when put into use again. That said, I do not believe in mass replacement of parts. Even for full restoration, I measure each and every cap and only replace those that are outside their spec. -- Ron > About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers > in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a > discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular > caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another > change. > > David > >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:35:41 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <468B077D.40502 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >> IME, electrolytic capacitors do not deteriorate slowly > over a long time. Once they start to go, they fail > quickly. So, personally, I do not believe in mass > replacement campaigns. I replace those that fail, > and that has happened to me surprisingly seldom. > >> When replacing electrolytics, be aware that those in > the signal path are of the 'high frequency type, with > low ESR well beyond the audio range. I have used > Panasonic FC series successfully. Purists like to > spend as lot more, though. > >> -- Ron > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 19:10:36 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:10:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-202 cam motor Message-ID: <8C98C755F6F0740-AD8-62BF@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Andy, ?? ?? I use a 9V battery and a couple of test leads to cycle the cam motor to check for function. Sometimes these just seem to hit a dead spot and just bumping them?and letting them run for a bit seems to bring them back to life. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 19:21:41 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:21:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: <8C98C76EBB35024-AD8-631E@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Bala, Ron, ??? Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 19:31:36 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:31:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts Message-ID: <8C98C784EB0AEF8-AD8-635E@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Ram, Dave, ???? OK, thanks for the info, I'll give the Italian guy a try. Other than the dual tracer models 500, 550 and 600's, it seems like there are basically (with the odd exception here and there) three sets of belts: Sankyo 2 head, Sankyo 3 head and the classic Nak mechanism. I guess?all of the belts have suitable replacements (except the OCO8096) but the most comon belt I need to replace is the counter belt on the Sankyo 2 head models. I'll let everyone know what I find and how it works out. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 4 19:59:03 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:59:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo 3 head transport problems Message-ID: <8C98C7C24826014-AD8-6427@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all, ???? I'm having similiar problems on two MR-1B's and a BX-300: the transports are unresponsive and the mechanism controls alternate between stop and play/pause by themselves. Some other clues: All three decks capstans rotate and the pitch controls works fine. The take up slack feature works when the cassette door is closed. The timer play/record switch has no effect regardless of position. Both the reel and cam motors operate if I connect to a battery. One of the MR-1's has a burned transisitor Q610 but the other two decks appear fine. The BX-300 has more extensive problems: the transport started working fine one time but there was MASSIVE distortion on both playback and line monitoring, all that could be heard was pops and clicks and the meters were pegged. Without the tape playing and no input source, switching between tape and source causes the meters to peg and then decay slowly. Any thoughts or ideas? All three transports are in good condition and seem fine. The BX-300 is in pristine condition so I'd hate to make it a parts unit. Before I forget, anyone have a service manual for the MR-1? I can't find one anywhere (for free) on the usual download sources. I'll buy one if I have to but free is a good price. :o) I have a BX-300 manual but there are enough differences between the two models that I'd like the proper manual. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 02:24:30 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <8C98C76EBB35024-AD8-631E@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <268187.80322.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dan, Certainly its better to go for a complete refurbishment because after you have done your selective cap replacement, your next cap failure could be tomorrow, next week, 6 months later or the day or the day invited all your friends to a party. While one might argue with very specific engineering knowledge about selective vs. complete cap replacement, its the logic and basic facts that you have to consider. With older caps still on the board, they are going to continue leaking and allowing DC into the circuit where they should not be. This is only going to affect other parts of the circuits and potentially damage them. When you buy a deck, most likely its a used deck - maybe well used but otherwise sitting in a basement for years. Who's to tell ? Some of the troops here have gone for an all out replacement of caps and even other parts in decks like the 1000ZXL with very positive results. I have this strong feeling that when the other decks still keep coughing and sparking thanks to caps, these machines are going to keep sounding fine. You get the point don't you.. :D Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Bala, Ron, Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Wed Jul 4 23:07:00 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:07:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Teac X-7R Message-ID: Oh for crying out loud, SOMEBODY help that deck! The guy even made rack ears for it!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200124559664 5 hours to go people! Probably only needs a belt and an ounce of TLC and a little squirt of oil. No filliation! I'd buy it - but I'm looking at $180-$200 international shipping by USPS. -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 5 01:28:59 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:28:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <8C98C76EBB35024-AD8-631E@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98C76EBB35024-AD8-631E@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <468C2D3B.8040109@rcn.com> Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all means, go for it :-). -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Bala, Ron, > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe > I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. > > Dan From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 5 08:42:44 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:42:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: Dan, Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is probably as much as replacing a good few caps. My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted them out and stopped the frustrating issues. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Thu Jul 5 14:58:59 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics Message-ID: <468CEB13.7070202@bluewin.ch> Hello Ron In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering them. In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly and by using which instruments? I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. Best regards from Switzerland Franz From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 15:10:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <468C2D3B.8040109@rcn.com> Message-ID: <61818.13220.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, Bala ,Ben, Ron et al, Reading these capacitor issues, I now personally believe that if you go in once into these machines, its better to do it all and close it up for once...for years of trouble free service, rather than let it happen one by one and fixing cap by cap! While doing the caps it is better to do an overall check up calibration and thorough cleaning of the mechanisms too. It just might be penny wise, pound foolish any oher way in the long term and I presume we are all in this with our machines for the long haul. Regards, Ram Ron wrote: Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all means, go for it :-). -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Bala, Ron, > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe > I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. > > Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 5 15:31:47 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:31:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468CF2C3.9000205@rcn.com> Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 16:43:11 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <468CF2C3.9000205@rcn.com> Message-ID: <382753.25031.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 19:19:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <61818.13220.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <156230.36948.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, That is very true. When working on any classics, be its cars, cameras or Naks, its better to do a complete overhaul. The fact of de-soldering components damaging boards is mere hogwash. Any random replacement of caps or other components also poses dangers of trace damage. The solution - get a good iron. I personally use a Weller WTCPT and its yet to damage any thing. If were were to do selective replacements, it would be a continous process every few months and it will be endless cycle between repair bench and listening rack. No time for that. Full overhaul, calibrate and turn the clock back on the electronics for this machine. The next time you hear about crackling sounds from the deck should be from your son. The change of caps needs no special alignment tools. Get a set of Luis's wonderful alignment tapes, a good 'scope and a modern digital multimeter which has high enough impedance as a VTVM. Some super-decks like the N-1000-ZXL need a special electronic jig for calibrating the computer. For those who know, the jig can be built from a handful of common parts. The people here who have gone through a full refurbishment have got much better and trouble-free performance. On the contrary, I have seen people who repaired only the faulty parts face yet other problems from components which fail months after the repairs. This is because, as the failure is corrected, and the proper current circulation is restored, this forces further circuits downstream to operate under original conditions. Because the components have already aged, this causes accelerated wear and de-rating which causes them to fail! Only when a full and proper refurbishment is done, can the entire deck perform at its full capacity and the person can enjoy its true glory. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Dan, Bala ,Ben, Ron et al, Reading these capacitor issues, I now personally believe that if you go in once into these machines, its better to do it all and close it up for once...for years of trouble free service, rather than let it happen one by one and fixing cap by cap! While doing the caps it is better to do an overall check up calibration and thorough cleaning of the mechanisms too. It just might be penny wise, pound foolish any oher way in the long term and I presume we are all in this with our machines for the long haul. Regards, Ram Ron wrote: Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all means, go for it :-). -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Bala, Ron, > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe > I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. > > Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Riedlinger wrote: > Hello Ron > In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. > I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after > unsoldering them. Depends on the circuit configuration. Often, with the unit unpowered, the cap is effectively isolated. To test for leakage, I use a DMM. Mine is 4-3/4 digits (Triplett 2103), which means that when it shows an open circuit, the leakage resistance is at least 40 Mohm. This is more than enough for most electrolytics. For film caps and high impedance circuits, I use an analog VTVM - it resolves to about 500 Mohm. For such tests it is generally necessary to lift one lead of the cap. When I need to measure (rather then just test) exact capacitance value, I use either the DMM or a Bridge (mine is the Heathkit IT-11). In all such cases I lift one lead of the cap. -- Ron > In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check > exactly and by using which instruments? > I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. > Best regards from Switzerland > Franz From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 5 16:10:52 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:10:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: Ron, Your advice and experience are invaluable to me and I welcome your counsel. You are absolutely correct that I no doubt replaced a lot of perfectly fine caps aswell as a few dodgy ones and a couple of failures. (And 2 dodgy transistors). This did not actually achieve nothing, it achieved peace of mind that the next failure would be less likely than before. Your comments about the resistors is understood and if they start to fail, I'll have to consider how I tackle those. There are about 1500 of those in the ZXL! My preference with the caps was to set a base line for these to minimise the chance of a recurrence but inevitably, poor manufacture or poor treatment / application may cause early failure. I would then be happy to trace and replace just the one part. At least I'm good at soldering and had no failures there, and due to the hours of searching for the correct parts that were the right specification & best shape to fit their locations, the replacement only took about 3 hours. Your hobby is also my aspiration but I'm stuck in the wrong career and probably unable now to do a U turn and retrain. So I have to do my best in my spare time and soak up all the advice I can. My next test is to build an extension card and test box as these are clearly unobtainable. I have tried to wrestle all the redundant parts stock and gauges for the ZXL from B & W but after initial agreement, they changed their minds! Back to square 1. IF IT AIN'T BROKE - DON't FIX IT! Ron, I know you believe in this statement and It is very sound advice. (If I ever win the lottery, - do you fancy an apprentice?) Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 5 17:51:12 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:51:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For sale: Nak CR-5 Message-ID: <468D1370.4080801@rcn.com> For sale: Nakamichi CR-5 deck. This is the 115V/230V version, with a voltage selection switch on the rear. The CR-5 is the same as the CR-7 less some frills, such as the automatic calibration, real time counter, etc. (at a far lower price). Sonically, this CR-5 sounds as good as my CR-7 (that is to say, it sounds fantastic). All functions work well, all transport functions operate reliably and smoothly, etc. Cosmetically, it's in fair to middling condition. One knob is missing the outer cover and the door is missing the outer cover (the knob and the door are there, the covers are purely cosmetic). The top cover paint is blemished, but there are no dings or scratches. I've owned this unit for about a year now and during this time it has been used very lightly. Anyone that wants a picture, just ask. Asking $220 plus actual shipping cost (22 lb. from ZIP 01702, as shown on the UPS web site). -- Ron From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 19:24:36 2007 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:24:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <468CEB13.7070202@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!� http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 5 22:03:24 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:03:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: <962D04A3-EB16-4B5B-BE01-F80AE88D81DB@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas I'm not against en-masse replacement, I only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted (failures that indicate multiple component failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). Even in a 'mass replacement' or doing testing by substitution, I like to do it more progressively from the most likely to the least likely sections, at least until the problem is fixed, leaving the option of stopping along the way. The reasons I have for deciding not to do an en masse replacement have mostly been stated: 1. Ron/Kanaan have both mentioned "collateral damage" to PCB traces or other components. This is probably the biggest reason, although I have said before and again admitted that this is at least partly due to my ham-fistedness. Still, it seems often the glue on some of the older traces (not just Naks) seems to be a component also prone to failure. 2. For me, it's still a hobby so I don't have big stocks of all the required parts around. 3. The small but non-zero likelihood of a faulty new component or one that just gets damaged putting it in. At least if you do things progressively you know where to backtrack to. I also like to *know* something wasn't "fixed" just by accident (reseated the contacts...but it comes back later). Against the above I would weigh: 1. The difficulty and potential issues raised by repeatedly dissassembling and reassembling the same parts (eg. broken wires from too many flexing, or broken/misplaced plastic parts due to age- induced brittleness in the plastic), increased probability of lapses in judgement (e.g. not noticing one time out of 50 that you forgot to turn things off before you started pulling things). I'm more likely to include this with increasing difficult of accessing the parts (primary example being the "nightmare" zxl I've mentioned with all the boards soldered in by a previous fixer). 2. The hassle and time of doing an alignment. Figure a deck should PROBABLY be checked once a year or once every couple of years anyway—if it seems the likelihood of failure is significantly more frequent than that then maybe it's less effort to replace everything and calibrate once. But if it's only going to need recal again in a couple of years, then it probably isn't worth it to me now to replace everything with the attendant risks. 3. Difficult to diagnose problems. Example off the top of my head would be some of the logic issues dealing with the 1000zxl. First I don't have the exact algorighms used (unpublished) by the logic. Second, the overall scheme is that there are a bunch of data pulses that are generated by some inputs and a bunch of strobe pulses generated by different inputs, and the actual determining factor is which data pulses are generated in conjunction with which strobe pulses at the same time; to debug properly you need to know that certain things (and not other things) were generated at a specific instant in time. Without a multi-trace (more than dual) scope or chart recorder, it's pretty difficult. 4. Parts that show failure only under operating conditions (not the conditions the meter uses to test them). Of things I've replaced (that weren't due to collateral damage of some sort), caps, even orange ones, haven't been the major component. I've had some, but I've had transistor and gate chip failures probably almost as much. YMMV.-kby From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 22:04:01 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <382753.25031.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <804748.30970.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO to replace all dead and dying and other caps that will die eventually anyway. The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at least. Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. the problem is many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop at intervals frequently. Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? Regards and Peace, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 22:45:28 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <833095.92957.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> go to my web site and look for Orange Cap Disease http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Scott J. Jacob Maniyatte wrote: With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 22:09:40 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <655571.90477.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear members, I have very limited to no knowledge of electronics or electricity. However, I have read somewhere, that resistors that leak in audio circuits are not very critical to the basic functionality of the unit as such. However, capacitors store charge and they are very critical in IC and other operationals of an electronic circuit and its function in a machine. Therefore, if this presumption of the non criticality of the resistors is correct, then comparing it to the Capacitor tolerance failure is a moot point to argue on. isn't it? regards, Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ron, Your advice and experience are invaluable to me and I welcome your counsel. You are absolutely correct that I no doubt replaced a lot of perfectly fine caps aswell as a few dodgy ones and a couple of failures. (And 2 dodgy transistors). This did not actually achieve nothing, it achieved peace of mind that the next failure would be less likely than before. Your comments about the resistors is understood and if they start to fail, I'll have to consider how I tackle those. There are about 1500 of those in the ZXL! My preference with the caps was to set a base line for these to minimise the chance of a recurrence but inevitably, poor manufacture or poor treatment / application may cause early failure. I would then be happy to trace and replace just the one part. At least I'm good at soldering and had no failures there, and due to the hours of searching for the correct parts that were the right specification & best shape to fit their locations, the replacement only took about 3 hours. Your hobby is also my aspiration but I'm stuck in the wrong career and probably unable now to do a U turn and retrain. So I have to do my best in my spare time and soak up all the advice I can. My next test is to build an extension card and test box as these are clearly unobtainable. I have tried to wrestle all the redundant parts stock and gauges for the ZXL from B & W but after initial agreement, they changed their minds! Back to square 1. IF IT AIN'T BROKE - DON't FIX IT! Ron, I know you believe in this statement and It is very sound advice. (If I ever win the lottery, - do you fancy an apprentice?) Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 22:17:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <156230.36948.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <686600.20590.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I just addressed the same exact point to Kannan's post of damaging circuits due to soldering and desoldering and I am glad i have someone on my camp here. There is no excuse for incompetency in any field, Bala, and I would rather see a complete fix for any deck rather than spot fix. It actually causes more eventual agony by going back and forth to the shop and is ultimately frustrating to the user and the technician alike. Finally, I never even thought of the downstream effects of a initial circuit treated, causing subsequent cascading of capacitor intolerances in other borderline or failing circuits. Bulls eye Bala. I would certainly like someone refuting what Bala said with some decent documentation. regards all. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ram, That is very true. When working on any classics, be its cars, cameras or Naks, its better to do a complete overhaul. The fact of de-soldering components damaging boards is mere hogwash. Any random replacement of caps or other components also poses dangers of trace damage. The solution - get a good iron. I personally use a Weller WTCPT and its yet to damage any thing. If were were to do selective replacements, it would be a continous process every few months and it will be endless cycle between repair bench and listening rack. No time for that. Full overhaul, calibrate and turn the clock back on the electronics for this machine. The next time you hear about crackling sounds from the deck should be from your son. The change of caps needs no special alignment tools. Get a set of Luis's wonderful alignment tapes, a good 'scope and a modern digital multimeter which has high enough impedance as a VTVM. Some super-decks like the N-1000-ZXL need a special electronic jig for calibrating the computer. For those who know, the jig can be built from a handful of common parts. The people here who have gone through a full refurbishment have got much better and trouble-free performance. On the contrary, I have seen people who repaired only the faulty parts face yet other problems from components which fail months after the repairs. This is because, as the failure is corrected, and the proper current circulation is restored, this forces further circuits downstream to operate under original conditions. Because the components have already aged, this causes accelerated wear and de-rating which causes them to fail! Only when a full and proper refurbishment is done, can the entire deck perform at its full capacity and the person can enjoy its true glory. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Dan, Bala ,Ben, Ron et al, Reading these capacitor issues, I now personally believe that if you go in once into these machines, its better to do it all and close it up for once...for years of trouble free service, rather than let it happen one by one and fixing cap by cap! While doing the caps it is better to do an overall check up calibration and thorough cleaning of the mechanisms too. It just might be penny wise, pound foolish any oher way in the long term and I presume we are all in this with our machines for the long haul. Regards, Ram Ron wrote: Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all means, go for it :-). -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Bala, Ron, > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. Maybe > I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. > > Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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There is no excuse for incompetency in any field, Bala, and I would rather see a complete fix for any deck rather than spot fix. It actually causes more eventual agony by going back and forth to the shop and is ultimately frustrating to the user and the technician alike. Finally, I never even thought of the downstream effects of a initial circuit treated, causing subsequent cascading of capacitor intolerances in other borderline or failing circuits. Bulls eye Bala. I would certainly like someone refuting what Bala said with some decent documentation. regards all. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ram, That is very true. When working on any classics, be its cars, cameras or Naks, its better to do a complete overhaul. The fact of de-soldering components damaging boards is mere hogwash. Any random replacement of caps or other components also poses dangers of trace damage. The solution - get a good iron. I personally use a Weller WTCPT and its yet to damage any thing. If were were to do selective replacements, it would be a continous process every few months and it will be endless cycle between repair bench and listening rack. No time for that. Full overhaul, calibrate and turn the clock back on the electronics for this machine. The next time you hear about crackling sounds from the deck should be from your son. The change of caps needs no special alignment tools. Get a set of Luis's wonderful alignment tapes, a good 'scope and a modern digital multimeter which has high enough impedance as a VTVM. Some super-decks like the N-1000-ZXL need a special electronic jig for calibrating the computer. For those who know, the jig can be built from a handful of common parts. The people here who have gone through a full refurbishment have got much better and trouble-free performance. On the contrary, I have seen people who repaired only the faulty parts face yet other problems from components which fail months after the repairs. This is because, as the failure is corrected, and the proper current circulation is restored, this forces further circuits downstream to operate under original conditions. Because the components have already aged, this causes accelerated wear and de-rating which causes them to fail! Only when a full and proper refurbishment is done, can the entire deck perform at its full capacity and the person can enjoy its true glory. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Dan, Bala ,Ben, Ron et al, Reading these capacitor issues, I now personally believe that if you go in once into these machines, its better to do it all and close it up for once...for years of trouble free service, rather than let it happen one by one and fixing cap by cap! While doing the caps it is better to do an overall check up calibration and thorough cleaning of the mechanisms too. It just might be penny wise, pound foolish any oher way in the long term and I presume we are all in this with our machines for the long haul. Regards, Ram Ron wrote: Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all means, go for it :-). -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Bala, Ron, > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both correctly, > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". On the other > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap replacement > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its opposite > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you are going to > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism maintenance (belts, > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete electrical > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, especially if you > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector decks. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 00:21:31 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <804748.30970.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <126277.53418.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I completely disagree that Dragon is not built well - ZX9 is an example of very bad wiring inside and build quality. If a technician had worked on Dragon he can understand how to dismantle correctly and re assemble. However Damage to circuit board is not necessarily the reason for not recommending but replacing cap en masse is definitely not a good idea due to the amount of work - possible to use wrong component if you replace caps by looking at what is printed on the cap. I spend time measuring cap while replacing to make sure the so called new component itself is not what it is supposed to be. How do you know which cap is failing? when you say the technician knows which is failing. Most of the time the failure mode is sudden. Only alternative is 100 % replacement which will take hours of work and who is willing to pay for such a work ? So mostly hobbyist is the one who is probably willing to put in effort of this magnatitude- if at all. Ask Tom whether he is willing to replace all caps on your 1000 ZXL entirely and what cost? Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Well, If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO to replace all dead and dying and other caps that will die eventually anyway. The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at least. Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. the problem is many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop at intervals frequently. Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? Regards and Peace, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 6 00:26:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:26:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <156230.36948.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <156230.36948.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468D6FFB.2010004@rcn.com> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ram, > [......] > Any random > replacement of caps or other components also poses dangers of trace > damage. True. Any unnecessary part replacement can cause damage. > ....I have seen people > who repaired only the faulty parts face yet other problems from > components which fail months after the repairs. This is because, as the > failure is corrected, and the proper current circulation is restored, > this forces further circuits downstream to operate under original > conditions. Because the components have already aged, this causes > accelerated wear and de-rating which causes them to fail! Are you actually saying that replacing a bad part with a new one will somehow accelerate failure of other good parts? LOL.. This is too much... I won't read my jokes emails today... Only when a > full and proper refurbishment is done, can the entire deck perform at > its full capacity and the person can enjoy its true glory. ROFLMAO... So a deck can't perform well with parts that are perfectly good now, but are going to fail in the future? Going by that logic, no deck performs well, ever, because any and all parts are certainly going to fail at some point in the future. You get A+ for crystal clear logic. Who was it that mentioned hogwash? -- Ron > > Bala > */shanti ramachandran /* wrote: > > Dan, Bala ,Ben, Ron et al, > > Reading these capacitor issues, I now personally believe that if you > go in once into these machines, its better to do it all and close it > up for once...for years of trouble free service, rather than let it > happen one by one and fixing cap by cap! > > While doing the caps it is better to do an overall check up > calibration and thorough cleaning of the mechanisms too. It just > might be penny wise, pound foolish any oher way in the long term and > I presume we are all in this with our machines for the long haul. > > Regards, > Ram > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Dan, it's a free country. If replacing caps is your thing, by all > means, go for it :-). > > -- Ron > > > danbarham at aol.com wrote: > > Bala, Ron, > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. So if I understand you both > correctly, > > basically it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > On the other > > hand, if a bad cap is found, Bala, you advocate complete cap > replacement > > and Ron, just replace the bad one (or the bad one and its > opposite > > channel mate). The reason I asked was it seems like if you > are going to > > take the time and trouble to do a complete mechanism > maintenance (belts, > > idler, lube, clean, align, etc) and then do a complete > electrical > > adjustment, cap replacement seems par for the course, > especially if you > > are doing this for one of your own prize keeper/collector > decks. Maybe > > I'm just going too deep and cap replacement is unjustified. > > > > Dan From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 6 00:52:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:52:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <804748.30970.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <804748.30970.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468D7630.8010105@rcn.com> shanti ramachandran wrote: > Well, > > If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified > here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or > others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO > to replace all dead and dying ,,, Dead and dying -- no one argues with this (assuming that 'dying' means caps that are out of spec but haven't failed catastrophically yet. However... > ... and other caps that will die eventually anyway. There's the fallacy. *All* caps will die eventually. Depending on the quality of an original cap and the the quality of the one you managed to buy, it's possible for the new cap to fail well before the one it replaces would have (you do research MTBF figures before you buy, yes?). > The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with > its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at > least. > > Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and > desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. Sure it does. You have been lucky so far, that all :-). -- Ron > the problem is > many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. > > Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any > other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of > time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply > much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. > > I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I > want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop > at intervals frequently. > > Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? > > Regards and Peace, > Ram > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by > replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder > old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one > replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One > needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually > replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and > at the end I spent more time doing alignment! > > Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! > > > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > Dan, > > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do > it is the > > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has > difficulty > > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on > thet PCB in > > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. > > Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the > deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% > to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you > again replace all the new caps? > > > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go > which sorted > > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. > > It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that > was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that > were good accomplished nothing except thermally > stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, > some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know > about you, but it takes me less time to isolate > a bad component than it would take me to replace > all caps on a board. > > And why stop with caps? Why not replace all > resistors, 80% of which are probably out of > tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be > filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more > PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? > > One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, > mostly these built from kits. When faced with a > 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is > whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. > Restoration involves dismantling the unit, > all the way down to the last resistor, cap, > screw and nut. I then check each blessed > component and either replace or clean and > refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. > > Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors > are out of specs while only one or two caps need to > be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are > impossible to obtain are easily restored to like > new condition by careful reforming. I only replace > good caps when I know from experience that that > particular type is prone to failure. > > The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s > and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In > addition, Nak used better components to start with. > Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from > my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > Regards, Ben > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 01:48:01 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:48:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <833095.92957.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <833095.92957.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110707051648q31b10003s6123942a85cfea2e@mail.gmail.com> Replacing eletrolytics is a simple process. 1. Buy the gatorade 2. Open the gatorade 3. Drink the gatorade Couldn't resist. I'll shut up now. -Tim On 7/5/07, Scott Johnson wrote: > > go to my web site and look for *Orange Cap Disease* > ** > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm > > Scott J. > > > > *Jacob Maniyatte * wrote: > > > With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to > look > for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the > caps > look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can > give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. > jm > > >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics > >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > > > >Hello Ron > >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. > >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after > unsoldering > >them. > >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check > exactly > >and by using which instruments? > >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. > >Best regards from Switzerland > >Franz > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 06:55:14 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110707051648q31b10003s6123942a85cfea2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <272542.72042.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,Ram and others, I prefer some nice smooth coffee from the Sulawesian mountains in Indonesia. A lot is being argued here about caps, but it takes a careful balance of logic and knowledge to know what you are doing. Caps do indeed fail due to their very nature of construction. In a cassette deck where the voltages and currents are small, the effects are small. In restoring amplifiers, re-cap is on of the highlights. I think its very wrong to think one deck is done better then others or sounds better. Just like coffee, people like their cassettes differently, and like the looks or features of the various decks. I am not going to condemn its sound, because it is a nice sounding deck, and some people like their cassettes that way. However, from a technical point of view, yes it is a poorly constructed deck. The boards are all crammed together joint by ribbon cables soldered. The front panel give you a plasticky response like that of a low cost vcr. The more knowledgeable people in professional audio restoration (note this is different from repair), will tell you what must go regardless of whether it works or not. Its not a question of if it works and so on. In a Dragon, a working cap is still a quarter of a century old! If that was an alcoholic beverage, thats ok, but not caps! And while so many other variables like hair-line cracks, faulty relays and so on can be pointed at, its the caps that cause the largest number of problems. And more then once, members here have solved all their problems with a cap change. And if anyone wants to get their caps changed, ask Ben. I remember he prepared well, tabulating his caps taken from the BOM, organizing himself. so 3 hours is a decent figure for the N-1000-ZXL. As Ram mentioned, sloppy things like burnt traces are in-excusable. I wouldn't give you my 1000 ZXL Limited to repair if you were going to burn holes in that thing! Ron, I do not tolerate you making jokes out of member's posts. If you have an opinion, post it by all means. But not at the expense of making ludicrous comments. I expect all you gentlemen to behave like one, and have respect for your friends' tastes and opinions. The moderators cannot sit and filter all these shallow comments made by shallow people. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and must feel free to post here. But speak your minds in the right way. BG Tim Skorick wrote: Replacing eletrolytics is a simple process. Buy the gatorade Open the gatorade Drink the gatorade Couldn't resist. I'll shut up now. -Tim On 7/5/07, Scott Johnson wrote: go to my web site and look for Orange Cap Disease http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Scott J. Jacob Maniyatte wrote: With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A year or more ago a similiar unit was alegedly attempted to > be sold through eBay from France! > Caveat Emptor! > Walter > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From statonenterprise at netscape.net Fri Jul 6 13:15:05 2007 From: statonenterprise at netscape.net (statonenterprise at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:15:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] problem with cassette deck 1 Message-ID: <8C98DD60A679EC0-1850-19E3@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Hi, I have a problem with my Cassette Deck 1. To begin with pressing play would not work - then after trying a few times I now get a high pitched screaming sound on pressing play. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so what is causing it and how can I get it fixed? Thank you Roger Roger Staton ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jul 6 13:40:59 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:40:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] problem with cassette deck 1 Message-ID: Since it is that model, the first thing I would check would be the capstan drive. Remove the door and re-insert a cassette and press play and watch carefully for the movement or not of the right capstan shaft. If there's no movement or very little, or it's very uneven and still makes the racket, it's quite likely the capstan motor (a Matsushita or Mitsubishi, I can't remember which) which needs replacing. I changed mine a few years ago on my Cassette Deck One. Good luck - Marc >>> statonenterprise at netscape.net 7/6/2007 1:15:05 PM >>> Hi, I have a problem with my Cassette Deck 1. To begin with pressing play would not work - then after trying a few times I now get a high pitched screaming sound on pressing play. Has anyone experienced this problem and if so what is causing it and how can I get it fixed? Thank you Roger Roger Staton ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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Is there any general maintenance I have to obey with that deck or a "wellknown" bug I have to expect? greetings from germany mike --------------------------------------------- Free POP3 Email from www.Gawab.com Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 14:45:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 05:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <272542.72042.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <154893.89276.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nicely put Bala. The differences in taste is why I personally switch decks every day!...and have so many that my family thinks I am going cuckoo! Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Tim,Ram and others, I prefer some nice smooth coffee from the Sulawesian mountains in Indonesia. A lot is being argued here about caps, but it takes a careful balance of logic and knowledge to know what you are doing. Caps do indeed fail due to their very nature of construction. In a cassette deck where the voltages and currents are small, the effects are small. In restoring amplifiers, re-cap is on of the highlights. I think its very wrong to think one deck is done better then others or sounds better. Just like coffee, people like their cassettes differently, and like the looks or features of the various decks. I am not going to condemn its sound, because it is a nice sounding deck, and some people like their cassettes that way. However, from a technical point of view, yes it is a poorly constructed deck. The boards are all crammed together joint by ribbon cables soldered. The front panel give you a plasticky response like that of a low cost vcr. The more knowledgeable people in professional audio restoration (note this is different from repair), will tell you what must go regardless of whether it works or not. Its not a question of if it works and so on. In a Dragon, a working cap is still a quarter of a century old! If that was an alcoholic beverage, thats ok, but not caps! And while so many other variables like hair-line cracks, faulty relays and so on can be pointed at, its the caps that cause the largest number of problems. And more then once, members here have solved all their problems with a cap change. And if anyone wants to get their caps changed, ask Ben. I remember he prepared well, tabulating his caps taken from the BOM, organizing himself. so 3 hours is a decent figure for the N-1000-ZXL. As Ram mentioned, sloppy things like burnt traces are in-excusable. I wouldn't give you my 1000 ZXL Limited to repair if you were going to burn holes in that thing! Ron, I do not tolerate you making jokes out of member's posts. If you have an opinion, post it by all means. But not at the expense of making ludicrous comments. I expect all you gentlemen to behave like one, and have respect for your friends' tastes and opinions. The moderators cannot sit and filter all these shallow comments made by shallow people. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and must feel free to post here. But speak your minds in the right way. BG Tim Skorick wrote: Replacing eletrolytics is a simple process. Buy the gatorade Open the gatorade Drink the gatorade Couldn't resist. I'll shut up now. -Tim On 7/5/07, Scott Johnson wrote: go to my web site and look for Orange Cap Disease http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Scott J. Jacob Maniyatte wrote: With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Does look good, performes well > so seems to be a good buy. > > Is there any general maintenance I have to obey with that deck or a > "wellknown" bug I have to expect? > > greetings from germany > mike > > > ________________________________ > Free POP3 Email from www.gawab.com > Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 6 20:55:40 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:55:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Creating PDF Files Message-ID: <070620071855.27243.468E902C0003EA2200006A6B22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have acquired an original Nakamichi service manual for the TA-4A receiver. I would like to make this manual available online for my fellow Nak fans, but I have never created PDF files before. How do you all do this? Cheers, *andy* From nakfan at gawab.com Fri Jul 6 23:15:51 2007 From: nakfan at gawab.com (mike) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:15:51 GMT Subject: [naktalk] RE: creating pdf files Message-ID: <20070706211551.20149.qmail@info66.gawab.com> Hi Andy, maybe with this pdf creator you can convert the scanned? manual into pdf files: http://www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator/ greets mike --------------------------------------------- Free POP3 Email from www.Gawab.com Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jul 6 23:29:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:29:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 5:29:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Does anyone know a source for the Sankyo 2 head transport counter belt- OCO8604A? Scott's FAQ PRB cross reference doesn't list that one. Or anybody know the PRB part# for that one? Vintage electronics won't sell me individual belts, just the kits. Which model is that for? I think the MR-2 and the BX-1, etc., have different counter belts. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jul 6 23:49:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas I'm not against en-masse replacement, I only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted (failures that indicate multiple component failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 6 22:00:36 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:00:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service in France ? Message-ID: <5m7t83lbjkirdfql0c8inqja1brdc6mofv@4ax.com> Hello everybody ! I'm new in this list. I hope my bad english will not to boring. Does somebody know a good repair service for Naks in France. Thank you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 6 22:07:23 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:07:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Message-ID: <8r7t839fho5decgu92oskkd0iucelv4ikg@4ax.com> Hi, With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. for level I can't climb more -10 dB for bias I can't climb more -20 dB Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? Thanks for the help. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jul 7 02:17:21 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:17:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service in France ? In-Reply-To: <5m7t83lbjkirdfql0c8inqja1brdc6mofv@4ax.com> Message-ID: As far as I am aware, Bowers & Wilkins in the UK are now the only "official" service for all of Europe. I do know there are other well qualified engineers around but they are the guys with the spare parts. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard Pradie Sent: 06 July 2007 21:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Service in France ? Hello everybody ! I'm new in this list. I hope my bad english will not to boring. Does somebody know a good repair service for Naks in France. Thank you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jul 7 01:52:22 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:52:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Message-ID: <8722888.1183765942703.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Bernard, When I first played with my Dragon, I ran into the very same problem in that turning the pots up all the way didn't yield workable results. As our resident Alex would have you do, turn the pots all the way to the left and all the way to the right ten times each. Figure out the mechanical middle of each pot for each range. You'll probably find that you will have excessive gain on the range. There is no way to tell if that is your problem but it is something that I recognize as a problem for myself. Give it a try! It's free! ---- Bernard Pradie wrote: > Hi, > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > Thanks for the help. > -- > > "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johngipps at aol.com Sat Jul 7 05:10:56 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:10:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general In-Reply-To: <200707051003.l65A1xRS007697@zxe.naks.com> References: <200707051003.l65A1xRS007697@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C98E5B91E0F5B3-468-8D0D@WEBMAIL-RB07.sysops.aol.com> Hi David, Ron, and lots of others I'd like to make some comments about capacitor replacement to add to the volumes on this subject recently in Naktalk. David was talking about capacitors replaced in the crossover networks of a pair of B&W DM7s - this is a completely different topic to the replacement of electrolytic capacitors in a piece of electronic equipment - eg a Nakamichi cassette deck. I have a particular background with B&W, because as in other parts of the world, there was a relationship between Nakamichi and B&W in Australia also. So for several decades, I sold and serviced both products. I love B&W speakers, but in common with most speaker manufacturers, they made wide use of bipolar electrolytics in their crossover networks - these are a considerable compromise. They are used because the alternative is unattractive to a large manufacturer - film capacitors of the same capacitance and voltage rating are much larger, and much more expensive - and they are much better. The difference in using an electrolytic in a crossover network, compared to the use in electronics in general, is that in a crossover, the capacitor value is chosen to provide a particular filter response, and thus the impedance of the crossover capacitor over a range of audio frequencies ranges from much less than the impedance of the loudspeaker drivers to much more. The nonlinearity of electrolytics in crossover networks thus becomes audible over a range of frequencies. But in signal circuitry in, say, a cassette deck, an electrolytic is chosen such that its impedance is negligible compared to the other signal path impedances (resistors, and non electrolytic caps mainly), and thus the nonlinearity of the electrolytic has a negligible audible influence. This is why Nakamichi and almost every other electronic manufacturer quite correctly use electrolytics in signal paths as coupling capacitors. But as David discovered, there are obvious audible benefits in replacing bipolar electrolytics in a speaker crossover with film caps. The most popular choice for this replacement are polypropylene crossover capacitors, widely available, more expensive than bipolar electros, but by far the cheapest way of making a good pair of speakers sound better. If you want to know a good source of these parts David, please email me directly. Now to the topic of replacement of all the caps, or all the electrolytics, or even all the orange caps in a Nakamichi cassette dack. I have to agree with Ron, and others who hold his view. In so many devices that customers have brought to me over the years, the process of replacing all of anything has often been very destructive. So many PCBs have delicate tracks, and so few people (even "professionals") have really good desoldering and soldering equipment and skills. I agree with Ron that it is better to repair equipment by properly identifying defective components, than by replacing everything in the hope that this includes the defective component. I also disagree with those who have said that replacing all the caps reduces the probability of subsequent repairs - in a few cases this is true - eg it would be silly to replace one defective 4.7nF orange cap in a bias oscillator - replace two. It is silly to replace a defective left channel cap C152 (say) without replacing the right channel cap C252 - but that's about it. I believe that the trauma suffered by a deck when lots of components are needlessly replaced will probably make the deck more likely to fail in the future. Over the decades, I have replaced a lot of defective orange caps - a long time ago, I realised that there was someting about them, and so I started to save the ones I removed from Nakamichi decks. I have a collection of hundreds and hundreds of defective orange caps - but bear in mind that while I replaced these hundreds, I didn't replace tens of thousands of other orange caps - because they didn't need replacing. Sure, over a period of years, some decks returned to have more defective components replaced, sometimes more orange caps - but the vast majority didn't. Even in orange caps, probably the most unreliable parts I have ever observed, only a few percent broke down, and the vast majority of these were in a very stressful circuit - the bias oscillator - if you exclude 4.7nF caps in bias oscillators, orange cap failure would be way less than 1% (still shocking). I expect many will disagree with me - that's ok. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David ************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 7 06:41:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general In-Reply-To: <8C98E5B91E0F5B3-468-8D0D@WEBMAIL-RB07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <925247.13836.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, You know which camp I am in - but neverthless I am impressed by your comments which are backed by experience and practical knowledge which you put in a very nice way. The disease which is killing many caps isn't wear, but rather the toll the climate takes on them. In tropical countries, the orange caps do not dry out as much as they do in temperate climates. I would like to know your view on this. Bala johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi David, Ron, and lots of others I'd like to make some comments about capacitor replacement to add to the volumes on this subject recently in Naktalk. David was talking about capacitors replaced in the crossover networks of a pair of B&W DM7s - this is a completely different topic to the replacement of electrolytic capacitors in a piece of electronic equipment - eg a Nakamichi cassette deck. I have a particular background with B&W, because as in other parts of the world, there was a relationship between Nakamichi and B&W in Australia also. So for several decades, I sold and serviced both products. I love B&W speakers, but in common with most speaker manufacturers, they made wide use of bipolar electrolytics in their crossover networks - these are a considerable compromise. They are used because the alternative is unattractive to a large manufacturer - film capacitors of the same capacitance and voltage rating are much larger, and much more expensive - and they are much better. The difference in using an electrolytic in a crossover network, compared to the use in electronics in general, is that in a crossover, the capacitor value is chosen to provide a particular filter response, and thus the impedance of the crossover capacitor over a range of audio frequencies ranges from much less than the impedance of the loudspeaker drivers to much more. The nonlinearity of electrolytics in crossover networks thus becomes audible over a range of frequencies. But in signal circuitry in, say, a cassette deck, an electrolytic is chosen such that its impedance is negligible compared to the other signal path impedances (resistors, and non electrolytic caps mainly), and thus the nonlinearity of the electrolytic has a negligible audible influence. This is why Nakamichi and almost every other electronic manufacturer quite correctly use electrolytics in signal paths as coupling capacitors. But as David discovered, there are obvious audible benefits in replacing bipolar electrolytics in a speaker crossover with film caps. The most popular choice for this replacement are polypropylene crossover capacitors, widely available, more expensive than bipolar electros, but by far the cheapest way of making a good pair of speakers sound better. If you want to know a good source of these parts David, please email me directly. Now to the topic of replacement of all the caps, or all the electrolytics, or even all the orange caps in a Nakamichi cassette dack. I have to agree with Ron, and others who hold his view. In so many devices that customers have brought to me over the years, the process of replacing all of anything has often been very destructive. So many PCBs have delicate tracks, and so few people (even "professionals") have really good desoldering and soldering equipment and skills. I agree with Ron that it is better to repair equipment by properly identifying defective components, than by replacing everything in the hope that this includes the defective component. I also disagree with those who have said that replacing all the caps reduces the probability of subsequent repairs - in a few cases this is true - eg it would be silly to replace one defective 4.7nF orange cap in a bias oscillator - replace two. It is silly to replace a defective left channel cap C152 (say) without replacing the right channel cap C252 - but that's about it. I believe that the trauma suffered by a deck when lots of components are needlessly replaced will probably make the deck more likely to fail in the future. Over the decades, I have replaced a lot of defective orange caps - a long time ago, I realised that there was someting about them, and so I started to save the ones I removed from Nakamichi decks. I have a collection of hundreds and hundreds of defective orange caps - but bear in mind that while I replaced these hundreds, I didn't replace tens of thousands of other orange caps - because they didn't need replacing. Sure, over a period of years, some decks returned to have more defective components replaced, sometimes more orange caps - but the vast majority didn't. Even in orange caps, probably the most unreliable parts I have ever observed, only a few percent broke down, and the vast majority of these were in a very stressful circuit - the bias oscillator - if you exclude 4.7nF caps in bias oscillators, orange cap failure would be way less than 1% (still shocking). I expect many will disagree with me - that's ok. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David ************************************** --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 14:48:02 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:48:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors - A Guitarist's Perspective Message-ID: <070720071248.25406.468F8B820006E95B0000633E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have been following the debate concerning capacitor replacement, and I thought I would share my experience in a slightly different area of electronics. I am a guitarist, and I have a number of old Fender vacuum tube amplifiers. Some of the best sounding amps ever made, by the way. Generally speaking, the only capacitors in any old tube amplifier that definitely should be changed are the filter capacitors in the power supply circuit and the capacitors in the bias supply circuit. These capacitors have to handle literally hundreds of volts of power every time the amp is switched on, and therefore lead a very hard life. Other than those two critical areas, I have left the caps alone in my amps and had no problems. And I'm talking about amps that are almost 40 years old, with several hundreds of volts of DC power flying around inside them. An additional note: In the guitar world, there are cases where capacitors that have drifted off-spec are actually desirable! Some guitarists like to use the word "mojo" to describe the sound of an old amplifier. In my experience, they are referring to the nice, dark, "woolly" sound that comes from an amp whose tone circuit capacitors have drifted a bit off-spec. Many experienced amplifier techs will tell you NOT to replace certain capacitors in the signal path whose values have drifted, as their "mojo" gives the amp its newfound warmth and response. Just another perspective, which probably isn't relevant to the discussion of Nakamichi deck caps....I'll be quiet now! *andy* From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Jul 7 21:10:21 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:10:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Golden 1000ZXL References: <00da01c7bf9d$26fcc960$f7d017c4@home> Message-ID: <004401c7c0ca$8ea4f2d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Drewes and all, It is back again as item# 260136888300 - listed under "Video Game Memorabilia" ... !?! I have of course reported this to Ebay - as I have done before with various listing violations. Best Regards, Per From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 7 22:15:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors - A Guitarist's Perspective In-Reply-To: <070720071248.25406.468F8B820006E95B0000633E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070707201512.50823.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, Yes you are way off topic on this. I Naks a defective capacitor is a nightmare that has to corrected or else throw the deck away!It does not sound godd. far from that. it sounds and functions horribly. I think enough s enough on this capacitor replacement issue. lets agree to disagree and enjoy our Naks, new caps or not, as long as we like their sound, whether it is a Dragon,a Cr7 a ZX9 or ZXL. Is it not the reason why we are all this forums members? Peace folks. Can't we all justget along? Ram --- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I have been following the debate concerning > capacitor replacement, and I thought I would share > my experience in a slightly different area of > electronics. > > I am a guitarist, and I have a number of old Fender > vacuum tube amplifiers. Some of the best sounding > amps ever made, by the way. > > Generally speaking, the only capacitors in any old > tube amplifier that definitely should be changed are > the filter capacitors in the power supply circuit > and the capacitors in the bias supply circuit. > These capacitors have to handle literally hundreds > of volts of power every time the amp is switched on, > and therefore lead a very hard life. > > Other than those two critical areas, I have left the > caps alone in my amps and had no problems. And I'm > talking about amps that are almost 40 years old, > with several hundreds of volts of DC power flying > around inside them. > > An additional note: In the guitar world, there are > cases where capacitors that have drifted off-spec > are actually desirable! Some guitarists like to use > the word "mojo" to describe the sound of an old > amplifier. In my experience, they are referring to > the nice, dark, "woolly" sound that comes from an > amp whose tone circuit capacitors have drifted a bit > off-spec. Many experienced amplifier techs will tell > you NOT to replace certain capacitors in the signal > path whose values have drifted, as their "mojo" > gives the amp its newfound warmth and response. > > Just another perspective, which probably isn't > relevant to the discussion of Nakamichi deck > caps....I'll be quiet now! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jul 7 23:42:40 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:42:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors In-Reply-To: <20070707201512.50823.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070707201512.50823.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469008D0.8040509@peromarta.org> Is this ebay user bj40spec101scout on this list? He is selling complete cap kits for 1000zxl and 680zx. Search item 330142067136 (And 5 TDK MA-Rs for 250GBP ;) ) Worth a visit. Best rgds, LP. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jul 8 00:07:40 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:07:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors In-Reply-To: <469008D0.8040509@peromarta.org> References: <20070707201512.50823.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <469008D0.8040509@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <46900EAC.3040202@xs4all.nl> bj40spec101scout is the same guy that I mentioned a few weeks ago buying the expensive parts from naac.tr on ebay. Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Is this ebay user > > bj40spec101scout > > on this list? > > He is selling complete cap kits for 1000zxl and 680zx. Search item > 330142067136 > > (And 5 TDK MA-Rs for 250GBP ;) ) > > Worth a visit. > > Best rgds, LP. > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jul 8 02:30:12 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:30:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors Message-ID: <115AB798-34A3-4980-85C4-F936296CCC5E@alumni.caltech.edu> I think Ben Stratford (on this list) fessed up to both points.-kby From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 03:15:08 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing Capacitors In-Reply-To: <46900EAC.3040202@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <649180.90630.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, This is Ben from Naktalk. None other. Ram Wouter Heijke wrote: bj40spec101scout is the same guy that I mentioned a few weeks ago buying the expensive parts from naac.tr on ebay. Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Is this ebay user > > bj40spec101scout > > on this list? > > He is selling complete cap kits for 1000zxl and 680zx. Search item > 330142067136 > > (And 5 TDK MA-Rs for 250GBP ;) ) > > Worth a visit. > > Best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(be very careful when shipping) A Nakamichi CR-7 is probably the BEST sounding deck. A Nakamichi ZX-9 is probably the BEST for recording tapes. LOOKS AWESOME !!! (be careful when shipping) A Nakamichi 1000zxl is probably the BEST collectors item. (be extremely careful when shipping) A Revox B215 is probably the BEST maintenance free tape deck & sounds as good as CR-7. A Tandberg 3014A... sounds good and is "hand made" excellent piece of equipment but not very reliable. Also some people claim 3014A is better than Dragon and is the best tape deck made in the world. Sorry but when you compare any tapedeck's performance with Dragon, that itself proves what Dragon is. A Nak BX-300 is probably the BEST budget tape deck money can buy. A Nak 700ZXL is probably the BEST tape deck for bedroom (I'm sorry, I just made this up). The point is, in my opinion these tape decks are BEST in their own class provided they are brand new. Since you can't get any of these tape decks brand new anymore, you will have to first get it either serviced, modified, or completely overhauled/refurbished to actually compete. If your friend comes to you with a Dragon he just bought off ebay for under $1200 with serial number of 32000 in pristine condition which was not used its whole life, congratulate him. But if he challenges you to compare his Dragon with your Dragon tape deck that was recently serviced by either Stephen Sank or ESLabs or Peter Ledermann, kindly ignore him (Laugh at him ONLY if he insists). (I will take Dragon as an example here but my personal fav is CR-7) So according to your need/requirements, get one of the tape deck in non-working condition from Ebay or from someone pretending to be audiophile but actually buys cheap from ebay and sell high at either Audiogon or Audioasylum (can spot easily - no manual & no box included with condition of less than 8/10. I am sure there are some genuine audiophiles out there too who has similar tape decks for sale). Make sure it is in MINT cosmetic condition and no internal or external parts missing. Send it for service (Dragon's service typically costs $250). If you service it but are still concerned with reliability issues, go with either: OPTION:A Get it modified with Stephen Sank. This man is a genius, he will replace all internal wiring, power transformer and what not. You tell him as to what modification do you need; appropriate (upto $150 extra), moderate (upto $400 extra), reasonable (upto $700 extra) or "Whatever it takes" (your limit of upto $1800, may be more?). OR OPTION:B Completely overhaul/refurbish at ESLabs (My dragon was done for around $1200) where a minimum cost is $1000 and they even replace the parts prone to failure (ESLabs is the ONLY PLACE TO REFURBISH a Nak. Bower&Wilkins UK does it too but they don't have many parts anymore, whereas Jeff has hefty stock he bought when Nak was going bankrupt). Personally, I prefer only thorough service with all original internal parts intact and not replaced. SUGGESTION: Keeping in mind a budget of (ONLY) $5000, I would get a Dragon (serial number of more than 8000) which is the only tape deck to make the top 100 of Stereophile list (http://stereophile.com/features/709), get it modified by the Guru himself (Stephen Sank) and then send it to ESLabs for complete overhaul and also get all major parts (Heads, Motors, rollers, etc...) replaced with NEW. With all the money to spend, replacing just a playback azimuth head of Dragon for $450 doesn't sound that expensive. Anyhow, with all the major organs transplant, it will become absolutely BRAND NEW. Jeff & Stephen may not say it, but I am sure that once you get that tape deck, it will outperform any other tape deck in this world in performance & reliability. Basically, "What you pay is what you get". Provided you maintain it regularly, it will be your best friend and will not die before you. Please let me know if you get it done, I would love to see and hear that IMMORTAL DRAGON. CONCLUSION: All the top Nak models have their own history, pros & cons. To compare as to which Nak sounds best (even other models such as Tandberg, Revox, etc), you will probaly have to get them all refurbished and compare it side by side to actually decide which one sounds best. Again, even if you get there, it will finally narrow down to one's own personal preference and taste. Just as there is no BEST amp or BEST speaker in this world, there is no such thing as BEST tape deck. P.S. (1) $250 for the service of a dragon can sometime cost a little more because most of the Dragons (you see now and then on Ebay) are serviced/repaired by some local technician who (due to lack of expertise, tools and parts) always perform a temporary fix or patches and f*** up the boards and transport. These guys (Jeff, Stephen & Peter) first have to undo all those mess and then start over. A typical and most common example would be of azimuth. When an azimuth belt wears out, it makes a tik tik noise. So what would be the best thing to get rid of that noise? All the local techs simply bypass the azimuth by disconnecting it. WOW, what a great fix... Gosh! Nakamichi Dragon is all about azimuth. (2) Although both the RM-580 and RM-300 remotes are rare and SWEEET, make sure you complement your 1000zxl or Dragon or ZX-9 with a wireless remote RM-580 (with little modification, it can work with your Dragon too but the reverse function will not work. If you want both sides to play with remote, then you will have to sacrific any 1 function; stop,pause,ff,rew or rec). Oh, what the hell am I talking, Stephen or Jeff may come up with a new idea so you don't have to sacrifice any function. CR-7 has its own wireless remote. (2) Cassette Deck & DR series are newer machines and are more reliable machines compared to classic Naks. Cassette Deck1 & DR1 were also made in Japan and have playback azimuth too. Manual playback azimuth and not automatic like Dragon. Well both the Classic & Newer Naks have pros & cons when compared and is beyond the topic so lets just stop here. HAIL NAKAMICHI!!! P.S. I do not know whether this is against the rule of this forum to publish article(s) from other forums ( even with permission from original authors ). If so, please remove this immediately and I offer my apology. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He also sells tons of round and flat belts. http://www.ceitron.com/passive/belt.html I'll bet you can find something that will work well here. As you know, the counter belt is not a critical fit. *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 03:31:36 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:31:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <804748.30970.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, I would not characterize the Dragon as "horrible". I think what happens with Dragons is the play azimuth circuit is self adjusting for phase shifts above 10kHz. Very small changes in capacitance or leakage cause this circuit to malfunction. Wholesale cap replacement REQUIRES recalibration, even when using 2% tolerance capacitors. The older Naks 500, 600, 700, etc do have problems with foil breakage, even with expert hands and a quality iron, so the point about damage is very pertinent. Perhaps the answer is there is no single universal answer. Tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Well, If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO to replace all dead and dying and other caps that will die eventually anyway. The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at least. Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. the problem is many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop at intervals frequently. Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? Regards and Peace, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 03:41:36 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:41:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <126277.53418.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I will not quote costs as that belongs in private communications, however in researching other models and following Ben's experiences it is obvious that most capacitors are easily ordered in exact or better types, but there seem to be 1 or 2 values that fall outside common values that slow the whole process down. 620pF and 300pF are two values I have encountered to date that are difficult to find. I am recapping a Yamaha B-2X amplifier that uses a pair of 100,000uF 16 volt capacitors in the class A amp....I haven't ever seen a cap of this value. once the capacitor are on hand replacement and recalibration is a 3-4 hour job for most Naks...a bit higher on the complex decks, especially the Dragon. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement I completely disagree that Dragon is not built well - ZX9 is an example of very bad wiring inside and build quality. If a technician had worked on Dragon he can understand how to dismantle correctly and re assemble. However Damage to circuit board is not necessarily the reason for not recommending but replacing cap en masse is definitely not a good idea due to the amount of work - possible to use wrong component if you replace caps by looking at what is printed on the cap. I spend time measuring cap while replacing to make sure the so called new component itself is not what it is supposed to be. How do you know which cap is failing? when you say the technician knows which is failing. Most of the time the failure mode is sudden. Only alternative is 100 % replacement which will take hours of work and who is willing to pay for such a work ? So mostly hobbyist is the one who is probably willing to put in effort of this magnatitude- if at all. Ask Tom whether he is willing to replace all caps on your 1000 ZXL entirely and what cost? Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Well, If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO to replace all dead and dying and other caps that will die eventually anyway. The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at least. Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. the problem is many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop at intervals frequently. Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? Regards and Peace, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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(being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? 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URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 03:51:39 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:51:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <468D7630.8010105@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, Electrolytics do a slow fade with time. This fact is proven and measureable. What is not proven is at what point will these decreases in capacitance (electrolyte drying)produce audible or measurable differences? An example: Engineers might design a record amp with a -3dB cutoff at 15Hz. Mathematics specifies a coupling capacitance of 0.71uF, but the most common "standard" values, 0.68uF and 1uF, are the only economical choices. The engineer will choose the 1uF because the 0.68 has a tolerance of 5%...producing a circuit with a 3dB cutoff that remains lower than the design goal even after age reduces the capacitance 30%! I hope this real world example clarifies some issues. To play my own devils's advocate, cap tolerance and changes in a RAMM ZXL deck or in the low frequency response of the play head amp would not be good. Certain circuits require exact values, and require long term stability! tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement shanti ramachandran wrote: > Well, > > If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified > here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or > others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO > to replace all dead and dying ,,, Dead and dying -- no one argues with this (assuming that 'dying' means caps that are out of spec but haven't failed catastrophically yet. However... > ... and other caps that will die eventually anyway. There's the fallacy. *All* caps will die eventually. Depending on the quality of an original cap and the the quality of the one you managed to buy, it's possible for the new cap to fail well before the one it replaces would have (you do research MTBF figures before you buy, yes?). > The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with > its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at > least. > > Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and > desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. Sure it does. You have been lucky so far, that all :-). -- Ron > the problem is > many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. > > Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any > other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of > time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply > much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. > > I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I > want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop > at intervals frequently. > > Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? > > Regards and Peace, > Ram > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by > replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder > old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one > replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One > needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually > replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and > at the end I spent more time doing alignment! > > Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! > > > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > Dan, > > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do > it is the > > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has > difficulty > > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on > thet PCB in > > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. > > Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the > deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% > to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you > again replace all the new caps? > > > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go > which sorted > > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. > > It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that > was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that > were good accomplished nothing except thermally > stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, > some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know > about you, but it takes me less time to isolate > a bad component than it would take me to replace > all caps on a board. > > And why stop with caps? Why not replace all > resistors, 80% of which are probably out of > tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be > filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more > PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? > > One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, > mostly these built from kits. When faced with a > 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is > whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. > Restoration involves dismantling the unit, > all the way down to the last resistor, cap, > screw and nut. I then check each blessed > component and either replace or clean and > refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. > > Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors > are out of specs while only one or two caps need to > be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are > impossible to obtain are easily restored to like > new condition by careful reforming. I only replace > good caps when I know from experience that that > particular type is prone to failure. > > The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s > and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In > addition, Nak used better components to start with. > Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from > my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > Regards, Ben > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:01:40 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:01:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general In-Reply-To: <8C98E5B91E0F5B3-468-8D0D@WEBMAIL-RB07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I agree John. Electrolytic caps of any type compress and expand the electrolyte in response to AC electric fields, modulating the capacitance! Film caps minimize this effect. There were some informative articles (more like adverts) in the IAR journal 20 years ago that promoted "wonder caps" for this effect and a host of others. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of johngipps at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com; davidt124 at internode.on.net Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general Hi David, Ron, and lots of others I'd like to make some comments about capacitor replacement to add to the volumes on this subject recently in Naktalk. David was talking about capacitors replaced in the crossover networks of a pair of B&W DM7s - this is a completely different topic to the replacement of electrolytic capacitors in a piece of electronic equipment - eg a Nakamichi cassette deck. I have a particular background with B&W, because as in other parts of the world, there was a relationship between Nakamichi and B&W in Australia also. So for several decades, I sold and serviced both products. I love B&W speakers, but in common with most speaker manufacturers, they made wide use of bipolar electrolytics in their crossover networks - these are a considerable compromise. They are used because the alternative is unattractive to a large manufacturer - film capacitors of the same capacitance and voltage rating are much larger, and much more expensive - and they are much better. The difference in using an electrolytic in a crossover network, compared to the use in electronics in general, is that in a crossover, the capacitor value is chosen to provide a particular filter response, and thus the impedance of the crossover capacitor over a range of audio frequencies ranges from much less than the impedance of the loudspeaker drivers to much more. The nonlinearity of electrolytics in crossover networks thus becomes audible over a range of frequencies. But in signal circuitry in, say, a cassette deck, an electrolytic is chosen such that its impedance is negligible compared to the other signal path impedances (resistors, and non electrolytic caps mainly), and thus the nonlinearity of the electrolytic has a negligible audible influence. This is why Nakamichi and almost every other electronic manufacturer quite correctly use electrolytics in signal paths as coupling capacitors. But as David discovered, there are obvious audible benefits in replacing bipolar electrolytics in a speaker crossover with film caps. The most popular choice for this replacement are polypropylene crossover capacitors, widely available, more expensive than bipolar electros, but by far the cheapest way of making a good pair of speakers sound better. If you want to know a good source of these parts David, please email me directly. Now to the topic of replacement of all the caps, or all the electrolytics, or even all the orange caps in a Nakamichi cassette dack. I have to agree with Ron, and others who hold his view. In so many devices that customers have brought to me over the years, the process of replacing all of anything has often been very destructive. So many PCBs have delicate tracks, and so few people (even "professionals") have really good desoldering and soldering equipment and skills. I agree with Ron that it is better to repair equipment by properly identifying defective components, than by replacing everything in the hope that this includes the defective component. I also disagree with those who have said that replacing all the caps reduces the probability of subsequent repairs - in a few cases this is true - eg it would be silly to replace one defective 4.7nF orange cap in a bias oscillator - replace two. It is silly to replace a defective left channel cap C152 (say) without replacing the right channel cap C252 - but that's about it. I believe that the trauma suffered by a deck when lots of components are needlessly replaced will probably make the deck more likely to fail in the future. Over the decades, I have replaced a lot of defective orange caps - a long time ago, I realised that there was someting about them, and so I started to save the ones I removed from Nakamichi decks. I have a collection of hundreds and hundreds of defective orange caps - but bear in mind that while I replaced these hundreds, I didn't replace tens of thousands of other orange caps - because they didn't need replacing. Sure, over a period of years, some decks returned to have more defective components replaced, sometimes more orange caps - but the vast majority didn't. Even in orange caps, probably the most unreliable parts I have ever observed, only a few percent broke down, and the vast majority of these were in a very stressful circuit - the bias oscillator - if you exclude 4.7nF caps in bias oscillators, orange cap failure would be way less than 1% (still shocking). I expect many will disagree with me - that's ok. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David ************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:31:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:31:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <655571.90477.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ideal resistors are linear in both AC and DC applications. Capacitors are non-linear in both, and have significant effects based on the physical construction. Inductors are also non-linear, but have fewer "side effects". Capacitors are fine in midrange audio frequencies and low voltages, but have increasing variable effects in the lowest and highest frequencies, high voltages, and high temperatures. The concept of an "ideal capacitor" is rarely worth discussing. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:10 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Dear members, I have very limited to no knowledge of electronics or electricity. However, I have read somewhere, that resistors that leak in audio circuits are not very critical to the basic functionality of the unit as such. However, capacitors store charge and they are very critical in IC and other operationals of an electronic circuit and its function in a machine. Therefore, if this presumption of the non criticality of the resistors is correct, then comparing it to the Capacitor tolerance failure is a moot point to argue on. isn't it? regards, Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ron, Your advice and experience are invaluable to me and I welcome your counsel. You are absolutely correct that I no doubt replaced a lot of perfectly fine caps aswell as a few dodgy ones and a couple of failures. (And 2 dodgy transistors). This did not actually achieve nothing, it achieved peace of mind that the next failure would be less likely than before. Your comments about the resistors is understood and if they start to fail, I'll have to consider how I tackle those. There are about 1500 of those in the ZXL! My preference with the caps was to set a base line for these to minimise the chance of a recurrence but inevitably, poor manufacture or poor treatment / application may cause early failure. I would then be happy to trace and replace just the one part. At least I'm good at soldering and had no failures there, and due to the hours of searching for the correct parts that were the right specification & best shape to fit their locations, the replacement only took about 3 hours. Your hobby is also my aspiration but I'm stuck in the wrong career and probably unable now to do a U turn and retrain. So I have to do my best in my spare time and soak up all the advice I can. My next test is to build an extension card and test box as these are clearly unobtainable. I have tried to wrestle all the redundant parts stock and gauges for the ZXL from B & W but after initial agreement, they changed their minds! Back to square 1. IF IT AIN'T BROKE - DON't FIX IT! Ron, I know you believe in this statement and It is very sound advice. (If I ever win the lottery, - do you fancy an apprentice?) 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Since shipping to Portugal is cheap, I will send it to you if you will upload a scan to ebaman. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just bought CR4 I have a customer bringing in a CR4 for service. I don't have a Service Manual. Anyone out there has one? Best rgds, LP. mike escribió: > Hi everybody, I just bought a CR4 deck. Does look good, performes well > so seems to be a good buy. > > Is there any general maintenance I have to obey with that deck or a > "wellknown" bug I have to expect? > > greetings from germany > mike > > > ________________________________ > Free POP3 Email from www.gawab.com > Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 01:54:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:54:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Who's Right? Who's Wrong? Message-ID: <070820072354.1590.46917923000ECE2B0000063622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I found this older discussion about cleaning pinch rollers in an internet newsgroup (rec.audio.tech). An interesting variety of opinions. Who's right? Who's wrong? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.tech/browse_thread/thread/892a7c8955b78603/ff2ceaf610ab3961?lnk=gst&q=tape+skew&rnum=9# From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 03:42:05 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:42:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Want To Sell This Deck, But................. Message-ID: <070920070142.19822.4691926D0002ED3C00004D6E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am getting a Harman Kardon CD391 deck into shape so that I can sell it. But I have an issue that I want to correct before it goes up for sale. First, a little history: I am the original owner of this unit, and I must say that even though it is a 2-head deck and not a Nakamichi, it is still a bloody good little deck for what it is. It has the same Sankyo transport that is found in some Naks (BX series, CR series, etc.); however, the closed loop dual capstans do not appear to be asymmetrical as they are on Nak decks. It has been sitting in my hall cupboard for at least 7 years. I have replaced the rubber idler tyre and a couple of lamps that were burnt out. All of the functions still work very well, but I am having some pretty severe tape skew and it is chewing up some (but not all) of the tapes I have tested in it. I have taken a look at both of the pinch rollers and the rubber appears to be fairly good. It still has the original capstan belt and tape back tension belt. MY QUESTION: I have a spare new capstan belt for Sankyo transports. Would it help matters to install it in this deck? I am pretty sure that the tape skew problem might be improved or maybe even solved altogether if I renew the capstan belt, but I would like to hear your thoughts. Although I would hate to have to use it on this deck since I am only going to turn around and sell it, I would rather sell a deck that is in good condition for its new owner than one that could cause problems. For what it's worth, I will definitely mention ANY and all problems this deck might have so the new owner will know what to expect, but I figure that I could get more for this deck if it is as close to top shape as possible. I was planning to use this capstan belt on the (very) sick CR-7a that I bought a couple of months ago. But that project is at a standstill until I can get an ESR meter to check the caps in the power supply and logic sections. *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:31:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:31:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just bought CR4 In-Reply-To: <20070706142427.717.qmail@info66.gawab.com> Message-ID: No bugs. Keep the heads clean. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Just bought CR4 Hi everybody, I just bought a CR4 deck. Does look good, performes well so seems to be a good buy. Is there any general maintenance I have to obey with that deck or a "wellknown" bug I have to expect? greetings from germany mike ________________________________ Free POP3 Email from www.gawab.com Sign up NOW and get your account @gawab.com!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:11:41 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:11:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Fan from Tape Trail In-Reply-To: <904455.25314.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ignorance is bliss. It is kinda neat that Naktalk has a core group that listen to and enjoy their decks. I would hate to worry that I bought the wrong deck for the wrong reasons, had it modified or updated by the wrong guru, or spent a small fortune just to one-up my buddies. I wish this guy could hear a calibrated 600. The greatest value is the time spent traversing sides one and two, not in polishing the hardware. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Fan from Tape Trail This is an article that is written by a Nakamichi Fan in Tape Trail. I have obtained permission to publish this article from the original author. Do not know whether he is also a member of this Forum. I just find this article interesting. Enjoy. All Tandberg Fans and other Non-Nakamichi fans may find this article offensive. Please only continue if you are NOT a fan of any Non-Nakamichi Tape Decks. There is no such thing as the BEST tape deck ever made. A Nakamichi Dragon has probably the BEST specs possible. (be very careful when shipping) A Nakamichi CR-7 is probably the BEST sounding deck. A Nakamichi ZX-9 is probably the BEST for recording tapes. LOOKS AWESOME !!! (be careful when shipping) A Nakamichi 1000zxl is probably the BEST collectors item. (be extremely careful when shipping) A Revox B215 is probably the BEST maintenance free tape deck & sounds as good as CR-7. A Tandberg 3014A... sounds good and is "hand made" excellent piece of equipment but not very reliable. Also some people claim 3014A is better than Dragon and is the best tape deck made in the world. Sorry but when you compare any tapedeck's performance with Dragon, that itself proves what Dragon is. A Nak BX-300 is probably the BEST budget tape deck money can buy. A Nak 700ZXL is probably the BEST tape deck for bedroom (I'm sorry, I just made this up). The point is, in my opinion these tape decks are BEST in their own class provided they are brand new. Since you can't get any of these tape decks brand new anymore, you will have to first get it either serviced, modified, or completely overhauled/refurbished to actually compete. If your friend comes to you with a Dragon he just bought off ebay for under $1200 with serial number of 32000 in pristine condition which was not used its whole life, congratulate him. But if he challenges you to compare his Dragon with your Dragon tape deck that was recently serviced by either Stephen Sank or ESLabs or Peter Ledermann, kindly ignore him (Laugh at him ONLY if he insists). (I will take Dragon as an example here but my personal fav is CR-7) So according to your need/requirements, get one of the tape deck in non-working condition from Ebay or from someone pretending to be audiophile but actually buys cheap from ebay and sell high at either Audiogon or Audioasylum (can spot easily - no manual & no box included with condition of less than 8/10. I am sure there are some genuine audiophiles out there too who has similar tape decks for sale). Make sure it is in MINT cosmetic condition and no internal or external parts missing. Send it for service (Dragon's service typically costs $250). If you service it but are still concerned with reliability issues, go with either: OPTION:A Get it modified with Stephen Sank. This man is a genius, he will replace all internal wiring, power transformer and what not. You tell him as to what modification do you need; appropriate (upto $150 extra), moderate (upto $400 extra), reasonable (upto $700 extra) or "Whatever it takes" (your limit of upto $1800, may be more?). OR OPTION:B Completely overhaul/refurbish at ESLabs (My dragon was done for around $1200) where a minimum cost is $1000 and they even replace the parts prone to failure (ESLabs is the ONLY PLACE TO REFURBISH a Nak. Bower&Wilkins UK does it too but they don't have many parts anymore, whereas Jeff has hefty stock he bought when Nak was going bankrupt). Personally, I prefer only thorough service with all original internal parts intact and not replaced. SUGGESTION: Keeping in mind a budget of (ONLY) $5000, I would get a Dragon (serial number of more than 8000) which is the only tape deck to make the top 100 of Stereophile list (http://stereophile.com/features/709), get it modified by the Guru himself (Stephen Sank) and then send it to ESLabs for complete overhaul and also get all major parts (Heads, Motors, rollers, etc...) replaced with NEW. With all the money to spend, replacing just a playback azimuth head of Dragon for $450 doesn't sound that expensive. Anyhow, with all the major organs transplant, it will become absolutely BRAND NEW. Jeff & Stephen may not say it, but I am sure that once you get that tape deck, it will outperform any other tape deck in this world in performance & reliability. Basically, "What you pay is what you get". Provided you maintain it regularly, it will be your best friend and will not die before you. Please let me know if you get it done, I would love to see and hear that IMMORTAL DRAGON. CONCLUSION: All the top Nak models have their own history, pros & cons. To compare as to which Nak sounds best (even other models such as Tandberg, Revox, etc), you will probaly have to get them all refurbished and compare it side by side to actually decide which one sounds best. Again, even if you get there, it will finally narrow down to one's own personal preference and taste. Just as there is no BEST amp or BEST speaker in this world, there is no such thing as BEST tape deck. P.S. (1) $250 for the service of a dragon can sometime cost a little more because most of the Dragons (you see now and then on Ebay) are serviced/repaired by some local technician who (due to lack of expertise, tools and parts) always perform a temporary fix or patches and f*** up the boards and transport. These guys (Jeff, Stephen & Peter) first have to undo all those mess and then start over. A typical and most common example would be of azimuth. When an azimuth belt wears out, it makes a tik tik noise. So what would be the best thing to get rid of that noise? All the local techs simply bypass the azimuth by disconnecting it. WOW, what a great fix... Gosh! Nakamichi Dragon is all about azimuth. (2) Although both the RM-580 and RM-300 remotes are rare and SWEEET, make sure you complement your 1000zxl or Dragon or ZX-9 with a wireless remote RM-580 (with little modification, it can work with your Dragon too but the reverse function will not work. If you want both sides to play with remote, then you will have to sacrific any 1 function; stop,pause,ff,rew or rec). Oh, what the hell am I talking, Stephen or Jeff may come up with a new idea so you don't have to sacrifice any function. CR-7 has its own wireless remote. (2) Cassette Deck & DR series are newer machines and are more reliable machines compared to classic Naks. Cassette Deck1 & DR1 were also made in Japan and have playback azimuth too. Manual playback azimuth and not automatic like Dragon. Well both the Classic & Newer Naks have pros & cons when compared and is beyond the topic so lets just stop here. HAIL NAKAMICHI!!! P.S. I do not know whether this is against the rule of this forum to publish article(s) from other forums ( even with permission from original authors ). If so, please remove this immediately and I offer my apology. Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:21:42 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:21:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Franz, There is no visible indicator of a leaky orange capacitor. I believe the CR 7 did not use the same orange caps that fail in older models. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jacob Maniyatte Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!  http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 9 04:34:14 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:34:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon In-Reply-To: <8r7t839fho5decgu92oskkd0iucelv4ikg@4ax.com> Message-ID: Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per step until levels read 0Vu. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard Pradie Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Hi, With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. for level I can't climb more -10 dB for bias I can't climb more -20 dB Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? Thanks for the help. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Jul 9 10:08:09 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:08:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4691ECE9.2020108@bluewin.ch> Hi Tom I know as a general rule that there is no possibility to check capacitors only looking on them. My question was for the instruments to use for the check and - very important - about the measuring conditions. There are two ways: 1. Check onboard by measuring the resistance of the capacitor. But in this case I suspect, that the result can be falsified due to connections/design on/of the board. 2. Unsolder the capacitor and measure the resistance of this item by oneself or in a testsetup. I'm owner of a Dragon but my question refered to a Beocord 8004 I want to repair (power supply unit). Franz hitech schrieb: > Franz, > There is no visible indicator of a leaky orange capacitor. I believe the > CR 7 did not use the same orange caps that fail in older models. > > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jacob Maniyatte > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics > > > > With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look > for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps > look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can > give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. > jm > > >> From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 >> >> Hello Ron >> In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >> I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >> them. >> In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >> and by using which instruments? >> I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >> Best regards from Switzerland >> Franz >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 13:11:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <265005.98639.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, The CR series does use polypropylene capacitors. These capacitors are not faulty or a bad batch. What really happens in that they dry up in temperate climates. I live in a tropical country, and out of my 5 ZXL machines, I have only changed three PP caps in total. This week I worked on a ZXL from the US and had to change two pairs of caps in the playback board alone. The best way to check a cap is to de-solder one leg and check using an LCR meter. The best way to check out bad orange caps is to play the deck without a tape and listen for rustling or crackling noises on the speakers. Sometimes the deck needs to run for sometime before the problem starts to manifest. Bala hitech wrote: Franz, There is no visible indicator of a leaky orange capacitor. I believe the CR 7 did not use the same orange caps that fail in older models. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jacob Maniyatte Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics With all this talk about caps replacement, i would like to know how to look for this orange cap disease. I have a CR-7A and opening the cover, the caps look normal to me. no leaks or any thing abnormal I see. If some one can give me pointers on what to look for, that would be great. jm >From: "Franz A. Riedlinger" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:58:59 +0200 > >Hello Ron >In one of your last posts you said that you check the caps. >I'm interested to know, if you check the caps onboard or after unsoldering >them. >In the first case I would like to know how do you execute the check exactly >and by using which instruments? >I would appreciate your advice and thank you very much in advance. >Best regards from Switzerland >Franz > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 13:26:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <416240.89523.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I can't imagine an unhappy audio technician! The most important thing to remember is this - each type and variant of cap has its own characteristics. The circuit is modified so that for that type of cap, or another other component for that matter, the performance specs are met. When a part is swapped, for something a bit different, the circuits characteristics change. The same cap, with the same voltage ratings and temp rating would still sound different as their construction and materials used are different from that of 20 years ago. This is something that Kermit has found out and explained some time ago. However, there is a clear distinction between what should be changed, and where they should be changed. For example, some equipment are 'voiced'. Changing even a simple wire has wrecked the sound. This was my experience with my McIntosh equipment which is why my stuff always goes back to the service agent. In equipment like Naks, Teacs etc., the process is a little different. I wouldn't relegate re-capping to a tech though because simple things, like applying too much heat or pressure, can wreck a pcb trace. All components are subject to drift due to chemical changes within their materials and effects of the environment. Glad to hear your views Tom! Bala hitech wrote: Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. 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Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Mon Jul 9 14:16:50 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:16:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon In-Reply-To: References: <8r7t839fho5decgu92oskkd0iucelv4ikg@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tom, Good tip to work by little touch, else chanel desequilibrate. I have tried with the 3 types. With EX (TDK AD), I just can calibrate on O level : rotative butons at max for Bias With SX (TDK-SA-X) I cannot climb for Bias more than -10 dB and with ZX (TDK-MA) I cannot climb for Bias more than -20 dB So going worse with cassette quality. Level calibration is easy, butons give good response clearly readable on VU-meter. But bias is harder : sometime turning buton seems have no effect. Does it confirm alignement ? I see there is only high alignement, does it possible without special tool ? Bernard. Le Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:34:14 -0500, vous avez ecrit: > Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > step until levels read 0Vu. > > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > > > Hi, > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > Thanks for the help. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jul 9 14:32:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <416240.89523.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <364500.12994.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True, especially when one tries to change the coupling capacitors on the signal paths. I have a Marantz 7C and 8b and when different type of caps. are being used, the characteristic of sound changes as well. It just downs to the point which type of sound please your ears. Similar to resistors as well. My old Marantzs use AB carbon composite resistors and tolerances are not as good as later Metal-Film one but the sound is a lot different. Again this might be off-topic. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Well I can't imagine an unhappy audio technician! The most important thing to remember is this - each type and variant of cap has its own characteristics. The circuit is modified so that for that type of cap, or another other component for that matter, the performance specs are met. When a part is swapped, for something a bit different, the circuits characteristics change. The same cap, with the same voltage ratings and temp rating would still sound different as their construction and materials used are different from that of 20 years ago. This is something that Kermit has found out and explained some time ago. However, there is a clear distinction between what should be changed, and where they should be changed. For example, some equipment are 'voiced'. Changing even a simple wire has wrecked the sound. This was my experience with my McIntosh equipment which is why my stuff always goes back to the service agent. In equipment like Naks, Teacs etc., the process is a little different. I wouldn't relegate re-capping to a tech though because simple things, like applying too much heat or pressure, can wreck a pcb trace. All components are subject to drift due to chemical changes within their materials and effects of the environment. Glad to hear your views Tom! Bala hitech wrote: Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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URL: From dm2 at marctronixx.com Mon Jul 9 15:06:03 2007 From: dm2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:06:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Message-ID: <200707091307.l69D5wPR027323@zxe.naks.com> Excellent... -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:16 AM To: hitech at bellsouth.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Thanks Tom, Good tip to work by little touch, else chanel desequilibrate. I have tried with the 3 types. With EX (TDK AD), I just can calibrate on O level : rotative butons at max for Bias With SX (TDK-SA-X) I cannot climb for Bias more than -10 dB and with ZX (TDK-MA) I cannot climb for Bias more than -20 dB So going worse with cassette quality. Level calibration is easy, butons give good response clearly readable on VU-meter. But bias is harder : sometime turning buton seems have no effect. Does it confirm alignement ? I see there is only high alignement, does it possible without special tool ? Bernard. Le Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:34:14 -0500, vous avez ecrit: > Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > step until levels read 0Vu. > > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > > > Hi, > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > Thanks for the help. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 15:38:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <830858.49453.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, Seems like you were on vacation last week and are trying to catch up. Tom, I did not say the Dragon is a horrible machine. I stated that its horribly put together( built) with almost no internal organization, when compared to other high end Naks before or after the Dragon. The capacitor replacement debate can go on and on. best is we move on agreeing to disagree. Ram hitech wrote: Ram, I would not characterize the Dragon as "horrible". I think what happens with Dragons is the play azimuth circuit is self adjusting for phase shifts above 10kHz. Very small changes in capacitance or leakage cause this circuit to malfunction. Wholesale cap replacement REQUIRES recalibration, even when using 2% tolerance capacitors. The older Naks 500, 600, 700, etc do have problems with foil breakage, even with expert hands and a quality iron, so the point about damage is very pertinent. Perhaps the answer is there is no single universal answer. Tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Well, If a deck has been opened up by a qualified( I literally mean qualified here in the strictest sense of the term, not hobbyists like me or others) technicians who know these machines in and out, its better IMHO to replace all dead and dying and other caps that will die eventually anyway. The above will obviate any susequent visits to the service shop( with its associated long- 6 months or more waiting at times) for a while at least. Kannan, if the tech is proficient in this skills of soldering and desoldering, the issue of PCB damage doesnt even pop up. the problem is many techs are really bad and do a really sloppy job of the soldering. Finally, Kannan, the Dragon is a horribly built machine compared to any other Nakamichi deck and it will take even a good tech quite a bit of time to dismantle and resolder and calibrate. other decks are simply much more organized and easier to refurbish completely. I,therefore, completely disagree to do it as it comes completely, as I want my Naks running well all the time instead of going back to the shop at intervals frequently. Anyone to my defense here. Tom, Bala, ???? Regards and Peace, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: You are right on target. I find large number of "Restore NAk by replace all" attitude. You can damage pcb tracks trying to desolder old and solder new components. The job is also one of one by one replacement. This would take alrge amount of time and effort. One needs all tools to realign the deck back to spec. I actually replaced all Orange caps on two Dragons - taken me a lot of time and at the end I spent more time doing alignment! Imagine hundreds of caps on any Nak - replacing them ! Kannan Ron wrote: Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Replacing the caps is the easy part. Sparing the time to do it is the > challenge. If one needs to be replaced on a board that has difficulty > in access, I would certainly recommend replacing them all on thet PCB in > one go. Additionally, the time taken to prepare and close up is > probably as much as replacing a good few caps. Have you figured out the time to recalibrate the deck? How about when one of the new caps fails (1% to 2% probability)? When that happens, will you again replace all the new caps? > My 1000ZXL and 680ZX both had a load of new caps in one go which sorted > them out and stopped the frustrating issues. It 'sorted them out' because the one cap that was bad was replaced. Replacing all others that were good accomplished nothing except thermally stressing PCBs and other surrounding components, some of which are irreplaceable. I don't know about you, but it takes me less time to isolate a bad component than it would take me to replace all caps on a board. And why stop with caps? Why not replace all resistors, 80% of which are probably out of tolerance by now? How about PCBs that may be filled with hairline cracks (I have seen more PCB/solder problems than bad caps on Nak PCBs)? One of my hobbies is vintage test instruments, mostly these built from kits. When faced with a 'new' unit, the first thing I must decide is whether to toss it, repair it, or restore it. Restoration involves dismantling the unit, all the way down to the last resistor, cap, screw and nut. I then check each blessed component and either replace or clean and refurbish it. Then, I rebuild the unit. Well, it very often happens that 100% of resistors are out of specs while only one or two caps need to be replaced. Often, electrolytic caps that are impossible to obtain are easily restored to like new condition by careful reforming. I only replace good caps when I know from experience that that particular type is prone to failure. The test instruments I deal with are from the 60s and 70s, while Naks are mostly from the 80s. In addition, Nak used better components to start with. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned from my restoration experience. I hope you can see it. Good luck, -- Ron > Regards, Ben > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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Message-ID: <070920072235.16625.4692B83F00065CF3000040F122165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I bought a used Nakamichi TA-4A receiver and I am currently using it in the family room with a couple of my Nak decks. I am also using it to amplify a DVD player. I have a 13 year old son who never turns things off. And by "never" I mean NEVER EVER. Every time he uses the TA-4A, he simply walks away from it when he is finished using it. Today I came home from work and found it on. He had used it that morning to watch a DVD. I estimate that this amplifier had been on for about 8 solid hours. Is this bad for it? It has good ventilation all round it, but it was quite warm from being on so long. Should I ban him from using the TA-4A, or should I stop being so picky? *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jul 10 03:47:03 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:47:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A Receiver - OK To Leave It On? Message-ID: <32869727.1184032023601.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Heat is the greatest threat to electronics but is second to a lightning strike. So, if it's lightning outside, unplug it. If it is not in use, shut it off. Should be power to temp at least once a week. PS: Give electric bill to son. He'll soon learn to shut it off. ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I bought a used Nakamichi TA-4A receiver and I am currently using it in the family room with a couple of my Nak decks. I am also using it to amplify a DVD player. > > I have a 13 year old son who never turns things off. And by "never" I mean NEVER EVER. > > Every time he uses the TA-4A, he simply walks away from it when he is finished using it. > > Today I came home from work and found it on. He had used it that morning to watch a DVD. > > I estimate that this amplifier had been on for about 8 solid hours. > > Is this bad for it? It has good ventilation all round it, but it was quite warm from being on so long. > > Should I ban him from using the TA-4A, or should I stop being so picky? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thepieboy at comcast.net Tue Jul 10 06:18:59 2007 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:18:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Message-ID: <071020070418.21332.469308B2000F1FE100005354221655799697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Since the Dragon is supposed to align its heads automatically, does this mean that the self-alignment feature is in need of repair, as well as the heads being out of alignment? Is it possible that the self-alignment feature is stuck or has wandered outside the range of acceptable function? Just trying to understand the concept as my Dragon has a similar infirmity. Thanks! Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon -------------- Original message -------------- From: "hitech" > Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > step until levels read 0Vu. > > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > > > Hi, > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > Thanks for the help. > -- > > "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas � le faire lui-m�me" : Le Chef. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jul 10 07:01:47 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:01:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A Receiver - OK To Leave It On? Message-ID: Unless you're unplugging it to turn it off, lightning is sort of a non-issue (i.e. if lightning does strike, being on or off is unlikely to make a significant difference as the switch isn't rated for that kind of power anyway). Heat maybe the greatest long term issue, but if the equipment is cool enough and ventilated enough, may not be the worst. Transients (such as when you power something on) can be just as damaging (e.g. notice how often light bulbs burn out on power-on). There is also potential long-term mechanical stress from heating and cooiing of components/solder joints/pc board trace bonding, etc. I don't tend to subscribe to the "leave it on" theorem more on the waste of energy (both the receiver and the A/C keeping things cool) basis. To me the transient issue vs. long term use/heat in a strictly electronic (as opposed to a tape deck which is electronic/mechanical) seems kind of a debatable wash to me most of the time. Issues with mechanical parts, in the Nak tape deck overall topic: continuously rotating capstans complicate the issue, which is another reason I tend to turn off after at least some reasonable amount of time.-kby > Heat is the greatest threat to electronics but is second to a > lightning strike. So, if it's lightning outside, unplug it. If it > is not in use, shut it off. Should be power to temp at least once > a week. > > PS: Give electric bill to son. He'll soon learn to shut it off. > > > ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > I bought a used Nakamichi TA-4A receiver and I am currently using > it in the family room with a couple of my Nak decks. I am also > using it to amplify a DVD player. > > > > I have a 13 year old son who never turns things off. And by > "never" I mean NEVER EVER. > > > > Every time he uses the TA-4A, he simply walks away from it when > he is finished using it. > > > > Today I came home from work and found it on. He had used it that > morning to watch a DVD. > > > > I estimate that this amplifier had been on for about 8 solid hours. > > > > Is this bad for it? It has good ventilation all round it, but it > was quite warm from being on so long. > > > > Should I ban him from using the TA-4A, or should I stop being so > picky? > > > > > > *andy* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 08:33:28 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:33:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon Message-ID: Hello John, I silly question...your Dragon when you acquired it...was 100% New? If NOT...maybe the earlier owner "Move" the heads block if NOT...exist also a "Belt" which move the heads block when realize the NAAC alignment. For so...exist the possibility that such "Belt"...is defective or a little bit longer that when was new...so slip & can't make the NAAC adjustment well or at all! Check these possibilities! Good Luck,ALEX! From: thepieboy at comcast.netTo: hitech at bellsouth.net; naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a DragonDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:18:59 +0000CC: Since the Dragon is supposed to align its heads automatically, does this mean that the self-alignment feature is in need of repair, as well as the heads being out of alignment? Is it possible that the self-alignment feature is stuck or has wandered outside the range of acceptable function? Just trying to understand the concept as my Dragon has a similar infirmity. Thanks! Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon -------------- Original message -------------- From: "hitech" > Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > step until levels read 0Vu. > > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > > > Hi, > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. ! > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > Thanks for the help. > -- > > "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------! ======= == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!   http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlmailtextlink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jul 10 11:16:13 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:16:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon In-Reply-To: References: <8r7t839fho5decgu92oskkd0iucelv4ikg@4ax.com> Message-ID: <46934E5D.8010409@peromarta.org> Your NAAC motor may be stuck, and not performing adjustment. When you start calibrating for BIAS, do you see the red direction light blink? Do you hear a clicking when this light blinks? Stupid question, but I supose you are correctly setting the tape type in the front pannel, right? rgds, LP. Bernard Pradie wrote: > Thanks Tom, > > Good tip to work by little touch, else chanel desequilibrate. > > I have tried with the 3 types. > > With EX (TDK AD), I just can calibrate on O level : rotative butons at max for > Bias > > With SX (TDK-SA-X) I cannot climb for Bias more than -10 dB > and with ZX (TDK-MA) I cannot climb for Bias more than -20 dB > > So going worse with cassette quality. > > Level calibration is easy, butons give good response clearly readable on > VU-meter. But bias is harder : sometime turning buton seems have no effect. > > Does it confirm alignement ? > I see there is only high alignement, does it possible without special tool ? > > Bernard. > > > > Le Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:34:14 -0500, vous avez ecrit: > >> Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments >> require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias >> and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating >> level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per >> step until levels read 0Vu. >> >> tom >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Bernard Pradie >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon >> >> >> Hi, >> >> With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. >> >> I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' >> (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. >> for level I can't climb more -10 dB >> for bias I can't climb more -20 dB >> >> Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA >> >> Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? >> >> Thanks for the help. From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 10 10:34:44 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:34:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon In-Reply-To: <071020070418.21332.469308B2000F1FE100005354221655799697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> References: <071020070418.21332.469308B2000F1FE100005354221655799697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1tg6939i5ejsqbh1v58bateebhqrpmk7kf@4ax.com> Hi John, I had the same doubt, but hitech speaks about alignment not azimut. On Dragon just azimut is auto, not alignment. Azimut is rotation the read head on herself to have the same angle than writing head. Alignement is to make read and write head to have same hight to touch the tape band. I supose if a head is to high than the other tape contact may not be good. Regards Bernard. Le Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:18:59 +0000, vous avez ecrit: > Since the Dragon is supposed to align its heads automatically, does this mean that the self-alignment feature is in need of repair, as well as the heads being out of alignment? Is it possible that the self-alignment feature is stuck or has wandered outside the range of acceptable function? Just trying to understand the concept as my Dragon has a similar infirmity. Thanks! > > Best regards, > John Derven > Eugene, Oregon > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "hitech" > > > Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > > require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > > and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > > level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > > step until levels read 0Vu. > > > > tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > > > > > > Hi, > > > > With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > > > > I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > > (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > > for level I can't climb more -10 dB > > for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > > > > Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > > > > Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > -- > > > > "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 10 11:42:04 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:42:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon In-Reply-To: <46934E5D.8010409@peromarta.org> References: <8r7t839fho5decgu92oskkd0iucelv4ikg@4ax.com> <46934E5D.8010409@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Thanks for help Luis, I don't think so. Sometimes red light blink : Azimut tuning I ear a noise from the head during this period. Blinking is not very long : round 5 second or less. Only if bias is very low (the bottom of the scale) red blinking is longer (I supose insuficient signal to adjust) So on this point all is correct. Too about seting correct type : check list : -correct type and EQ for the tape -no memory -no dolby -no filters -monitor on 'tape' position and turn the right buton (not easy sometime I mistake, but take care) monitor on 'source' position allow to see the signal level and confirm it is good. regards. Bernard Le Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:16:13 +0200, vous avez ecrit: > Your NAAC motor may be stuck, and not performing adjustment. > > When you start calibrating for BIAS, do you see the red direction light > blink? Do you hear a clicking when this light blinks? > > Stupid question, but I supose you are correctly setting the tape type in > the front pannel, right? > > rgds, LP. > > > > Bernard Pradie wrote: > > Thanks Tom, > > > > Good tip to work by little touch, else chanel desequilibrate. > > > > I have tried with the 3 types. > > > > With EX (TDK AD), I just can calibrate on O level : rotative butons at max for > > Bias > > > > With SX (TDK-SA-X) I cannot climb for Bias more than -10 dB > > and with ZX (TDK-MA) I cannot climb for Bias more than -20 dB > > > > So going worse with cassette quality. > > > > Level calibration is easy, butons give good response clearly readable on > > VU-meter. But bias is harder : sometime turning buton seems have no effect. > > > > Does it confirm alignement ? > > I see there is only high alignement, does it possible without special tool ? > > > > Bernard. > > > > > > > > Le Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:34:14 -0500, vous avez ecrit: > > > >> Check with EX and SX tape. If all 3 do not calibrate, your head alignments > >> require adjustment. If they are ok, then start the process again with bias > >> and level at middle points. Move towards zero levels in steps, alternating > >> level-bias-level-bias-level bias, lighting no more than 2 higher leds per > >> step until levels read 0Vu. > >> > >> tom > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > >> Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:07 PM > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Problem manual tuning Bias on a Dragon > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> With my Dragon I can't exactly tune level and worse bias. > >> > >> I turn at max the butons but level don't grow enought to obtaon the 'Cal' > >> (calibrate or 0 dB)postion. > >> for level I can't climb more -10 dB > >> for bias I can't climb more -20 dB > >> > >> Media used not 'strange' : TDK MA > >> > >> Does is a kown problem ? oranges caps ? > >> > >> Thanks for the help. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:04:43 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:04:43 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <272542.72042.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 13:06:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <131790.37223.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bernard, That is quite hard to tell because the cause has to be ascertained to be the caps first. I have seen improvements being made on a working machine when the parts were changed to high quality types. Regards, Bala Bernard White wrote: Hi Bala. You wrote: "And more then once, members here have solved all their problems with a cap change." You're familiar with the problems my ZXL has and have already given it some thought: how many of the problems in my deck do you suspect might be fixed by replacing the caps? (Though I do appreciate it's very difficult to make a perfect diagnosis without actually seeing or hearing the machine!) Bernard --------------------------------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Tom, I was talking with S.Sank two and a half years ago regarding my ZXL and he mentioned that there's another component (apart from the orange caps) that he was just noticing were starting to fail on decks of this age. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the component he mentioned was. He said that he had found a suitable replacement that was cheaper than some others, yet sounded better. It raises the question: is it enough just to replace a cap or resistor, etc., with an item of similar value, or should one go for the more expensive replacements? Bernard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hitech" Reply-To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:35 -0500 Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Thanks, tst http://www.harmonycr.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=8000270F-1165957628&gclid= CJ2HiL63nY0CFRETgQod2zIp1g _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics Actually, my ZXL has recently started making serious popping sounds in one channel - usually only after the machine has been running for, say, an hour - and at the same time one channel goes way down on the level meters. What would cause that kind of failure only when a component is warm? Appreciate any help! Thanks. Bernard _____ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Tom, I was talking with S.Sank two and a half years ago regarding my ZXL and he mentioned that there's another component (apart from the orange caps) that he was just noticing were starting to fail on decks of this age. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the component he mentioned was. He said that he had found a suitable replacement that was cheaper than some others, yet sounded better. It raises the question: is it enough just to replace a cap or resistor, etc., with an item of similar value, or should one go for the more expensive replacements? Bernard --------------------------------- From: "hitech" Reply-To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:35 -0500 Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... 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What part of the circuitry would the problem likely be in? > > Bernard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /Bala Ganesh Chandra / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics/ > Date: /Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:06:48 -0700 (PDT)/ > > Hi Bernard, > > That is quite hard to tell because the cause has to be > ascertained to be the caps first. I have seen improvements being > made on a working machine when the parts were changed to high > quality types. > > Regards, > Bala > > */Bernard White /* wrote: > > Hi Bala. You wrote: "And more then once, members here have > solved all their problems with a cap change." You're familiar > with the problems my ZXL has and have already given it some > thought: how many of the problems in my deck do you suspect > might be fixed by replacing the caps? (Though I do appreciate > it's very difficult to make a perfect diagnosis without actually > seeing or hearing the machine!) > Bernard > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com > now! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > > (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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Try live.com now! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 20:18:08 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <645725.58543.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stephen Sank was talking about opamp chnages and wiring to get better sound - ( I would say different sound ) I have infact tried combination of opamp/caps ( expensive ones) for coupling and bypassing electrolytic with Polyustrene etc - Bu t I have not tried expensive wire replacement. Infact one of the reason for playback bandwidth limitation comes from bias trap elements and Dolby circuits. Dragon can reproduce beyond 35Khz ( like 582 which had infact measured 28 Khz response in Stephen Sank' lab tests) But bias trap limits band with which was referred by Hido in his posting on 1000ZXL as well. Only difference that I see in 1000 ZXL is the circuit that can bypass Dolby circuit. Otherwise Dragon play circuit is one of the excellent design. Secondly 1000zxl had filter elements that can be changed manually to get as flat as getting response within 1.5dB rather -3dB. This is shown in alignment procedure ( service manual). I feel same can be implemented on a Dragon using an external Pcb and connecting play circuit to the heads bypassing internal circuit. Correctly aligned Dragon can infact reproduce frequency extremes like 1000ZXL. I see Dragon' weakness is in recording because of manual alignment using its meters which is not accurate. 1000 ZXL also has special alignment procedure to get flatter rec/replay response by manually modifying the filter components in record circuit during alignment process. Its auto record bias and level calibration is no better than CR7 excepting these alignments make flatter response. If somebody takes same manual correction of circuit elements to get flatter response - even 582 can reproduce flatter +_ 1.5 DB response! kannan PS lot of times misalignement ( both heads and circuit elements ) are the reason for misinformed Dragon sound. A well aligned Dragon is a machine to recon with any other Nak recorders. The same is true of CR 7A hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have to defer to more experienced NakTalk members. I recall mentions of opamp changes but I do not know if is a repair issue or upgrade. Generally opamps are very reliable. The ZXL uses a hybrid FET+opamp circuit for playback that was developed for low noise in the Dragon. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Tom, I was talking with S.Sank two and a half years ago regarding my ZXL and he mentioned that there's another component (apart from the orange caps) that he was just noticing were starting to fail on decks of this age. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the component he mentioned was. He said that he had found a suitable replacement that was cheaper than some others, yet sounded better. It raises the question: is it enough just to replace a cap or resistor, etc., with an item of similar value, or should one go for the more expensive replacements? Bernard --------------------------------- From: "hitech" Reply-To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:35 -0500 Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... 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Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 20:57:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <645725.58543.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874449.31159.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 21:06:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <645725.58543.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <521707.4012.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Please do not compare a CR7 to a Dragon. The reason is as follows: The CR7 calibrates at two frequencies( 400Hz.for level and 15Khz for bias trim) and does nothing with the equalization curve, which is factory set and/or technician modified to specific tapes that the user wants to use in it. the Dragon does essentially the same thing, but manually. Again there is no eq adjustment at all. It is fixed. The 1000ZXL on the other hand is capable of auto calibrating not only bias and levels but it trims the eq pots and it adjusts these parameters utilizing 4 frequencies and not just the two used on other decks. The result is an absolutely flat freequency response from 20-20K. Nakamichi called it RULER FLAT and I agree. the result is an astonishing response on any tape you throw in it within reason. Kannan, I have some TDK D that I have recorded from the same CD to the ZXL and the CR7( in perfect condition) and the result is the proof. The CR7 doesnt even come close to calibrating the TDK D the way the ZXL does. the sound is completely different. the CR7 shows some drop offs in sound fidelity......AND the ZXL sounds better on tape than the source CD . Yes better. It is unfortunate that we are comparing Dragons and CR7s to the ZXL series decks, without even giving time to listen to one thats running well and comparing that to a CR7/Dragon. Kannan a note on playback too for Dragon/CR7. i agree that the Dragon can reproduce upto 35Khz. But the Dragon's heads( rec/pb) were superbly mass produced and they perform an additional function of NAAC with a separate track in them doing just that. there is a definite limitation of such a head, because you can cram only so much in a finite space. Nakamichi only claimed a response of 20-22K on this machine...and 18-21K on the CR7. The ZXL on the other hand was built by hand picking heads that were unusually good as measured by the technicial building the machines...the limited even more so and there is literature documenting that these heads were actually capable of pumping out Over 40KHz...easily. each record and playback head on the ZXL was hand picked and installed and thats why its the deck with the widest claimed and measured frequency response by any manufacturer. i have a brochre that says that to be 5Hz..( to facilitate ramm encoding, it actually goes down to 3Hz...) to 25Khz.at 20dB rec level+-0.75. The Dragon/CR7 never claimed this kind of response nor could they for obvious reasons acheive it. Sorry for the lenghty narrative, but I had to set the records straight here. I am now ready for all the positive and negative comments this will generate. bring them on!. Peace Kannan, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Stephen Sank was talking about opamp chnages and wiring to get better sound - ( I would say different sound ) I have infact tried combination of opamp/caps ( expensive ones) for coupling and bypassing electrolytic with Polyustrene etc - Bu t I have not tried expensive wire replacement. Infact one of the reason for playback bandwidth limitation comes from bias trap elements and Dolby circuits. Dragon can reproduce beyond 35Khz ( like 582 which had infact measured 28 Khz response in Stephen Sank' lab tests) But bias trap limits band with which was referred by Hido in his posting on 1000ZXL as well. Only difference that I see in 1000 ZXL is the circuit that can bypass Dolby circuit. Otherwise Dragon play circuit is one of the excellent design. Secondly 1000zxl had filter elements that can be changed manually to get as flat as getting response within 1.5dB rather -3dB. This is shown in alignment procedure ( service manual). I feel same can be implemented on a Dragon using an external Pcb and connecting play circuit to the heads bypassing internal circuit. Correctly aligned Dragon can infact reproduce frequency extremes like 1000ZXL. I see Dragon' weakness is in recording because of manual alignment using its meters which is not accurate. 1000 ZXL also has special alignment procedure to get flatter rec/replay response by manually modifying the filter components in record circuit during alignment process. Its auto record bias and level calibration is no better than CR7 excepting these alignments make flatter response. If somebody takes same manual correction of circuit elements to get flatter response - even 582 can reproduce flatter +_ 1.5 DB response! kannan PS lot of times misalignement ( both heads and circuit elements ) are the reason for misinformed Dragon sound. A well aligned Dragon is a machine to recon with any other Nak recorders. The same is true of CR 7A hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have to defer to more experienced NakTalk members. I recall mentions of opamp changes but I do not know if is a repair issue or upgrade. Generally opamps are very reliable. The ZXL uses a hybrid FET+opamp circuit for playback that was developed for low noise in the Dragon. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Tom, I was talking with S.Sank two and a half years ago regarding my ZXL and he mentioned that there's another component (apart from the orange caps) that he was just noticing were starting to fail on decks of this age. Unfortunately, I can't remember what the component he mentioned was. He said that he had found a suitable replacement that was cheaper than some others, yet sounded better. It raises the question: is it enough just to replace a cap or resistor, etc., with an item of similar value, or should one go for the more expensive replacements? Bernard --------------------------------- From: "hitech" Reply-To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:11:35 -0500 Wow. I suppose I should be happy, job security and all. (being a technician) One reason to replace caps is to experiment with an upgrade. Caps today are much better than caps 20 years ago. Non-polar caps in the signal path produce measureably less distortion than polarized caps, but the typical op-amp circuits utilizing significant negative feedback minimize the audibility of cap changes. Quite often capacitor changes remove the source of "classic sound", those euphonic colorations that we learn to appreciate. IMO capacitor changes are popular because they do not require a skilled technician to install. It becomes a part of the audio hobby. While many many have changed caps and report significant "improvements", their conclusions are subjective, despite best intentions. Try unplugging each RCA type connector every 6 months. Replugging wipes a layer of oxide from both connectors that "make an improvement in sound". I will not argue with anyone who wants cap changes. I have stated before that I believe only the bad caps require replacement, but my belief too is subjective and results are untested. I remain interested in these discussions. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cap replacement Hi Dan, A very good question. 'lytics usually have a life-span of about 10 years. That is what they are designed for although due to component selection, power and thermal derating and circuit application, they last much longer. Usually on lower power equipment like cassette decks, they rarely give trouble. This is unlike power amps and receivers where the caps handle larger currents and power and hence show the stress on the caps. As some may have perceived, Nakamichi did not have a bad run with the Orange caps. Back then, these film caps were very good for audio and feasible for use in mass-production. Even brands like McIntosh used them in their tuners. Capacitors in general have the shortest life spans among passive components. If the deck has to hit the bench for a cap change, I suggest changing all the caps (even those non-electrolytics and pp caps) an do a full electronic calibration, or get someone to do it for you. Regards, Bala danbarham at aol.com wrote: Just wondering what the thoughts are on electrolytic cap replacement in Naks. I know a lot has been written and discussed about the orange caps, especially concerning the bias oscillator circuit, but I don't recall any mention of electrolytics. Don't they dry out and lose their tolerances after a few decades? On the Pioneer forum on another site, many of the better known authorities on these decks recommend replacing all the 'lytics, especially on the older decks. Are Nak caps better/longer lasting than vintage Pioneer caps? Did Pioneer have a bad run with 'lytics like Nak did with the orange caps? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 21:08:56 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <874449.31159.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <669424.86862.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, You said it better than my long narrative just a moment ago. Thanks Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Some people say to leave them on to prevent the instant power surge on the components or to prevent the constant thermal cycling, etc. I personally turn my stuff off most of the time because the periods of inactivity can be excessive (more than several hours or a day). I definitely turn off high draw devices such as amps, receivers, TV's because leaving them on is just wasting electricity. The other issue with vintage electronics in particular, and the issue that I find most unsettling,?is that most lighting is done with incandescent light bulbs instead of LED's so they will burn out pretty quick if you leave it on all the time. I do leave my Denon DR-M44HX cassette deck on for long periods of time because all of the lighting is LED and it has a direct drive motor so no brushes to wear out. Some will argue that warmed up electronics sound better. I once had a Sony ES D/A converter that sounded noticeably better when having been warmed up for a few hours. The previous owner never turned it off (I mean NEVER-left on for months at a time) and consequently, the status indicators were burned out, as they were incandescent bulbs. In the end, I guess it's personal preference, but in this day of being green and carbon footprints and global warming band-wagoneers, just turn it off. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jul 10 22:34:36 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <874449.31159.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468121.75950.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jul 11 05:49:17 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <874449.31159.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <839224.39605.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala: At the same time, how is an automatic ( B.L.E. ) calibration system such as the 700/1000ZXL compares with a totally manual ( B.L.E. ) calibration system ( both L and R channel fully adjustable individually ) such as those offered by the TEAC Z-5000/6000 decks for example ? Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 11 12:17:52 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:17:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL In-Reply-To: <8C991B860C9664A-51C-6C0C@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C991B860C9664A-51C-6C0C@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4694AE50.9010908@xs4all.nl> Hi Ben, The 700ZXE SM is on the wiki pages: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents One issue is that it has badly scanned schematics, so if those are not so important for you... This is also a call to all those 'leechers' to scan the 700ZXL service manual or any other manual/documentation listed but not downloadable yet so it can be added. Downloading is so easy, but realize people spend a lot of time scanning these manuals and it would be nice to share the pain and scan something not downloadable in return. Wouter benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Would anyone have a service manual for the above decks that may be in > electronic format and could be made available? > Best Regards From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 12:01:27 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:01:27 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Crackling and popping In-Reply-To: <4693C0A2.2090507@peromarta.org> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 12:02:33 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:02:33 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics In-Reply-To: <00c401c7c312$cb255e80$0301a8c0@D4LXC55> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hardouin at intnet.mu Wed Jul 11 13:13:11 2007 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:13:11 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD MK1 Message-ID: <000301c7c3ac$79043aa0$0400000a@DARWIN> Hi all, I would like to know where to find spares for the above deck .I used to import from Nakamichi Japan in the past.Has any one of you got an old one where spares can be retrieved such as pcbs. Thanks for your replies. Regards Christian Hardouin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Wed Jul 11 15:50:24 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:50:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL In-Reply-To: <4694AE50.9010908@xs4all.nl> References: <8C991B860C9664A-51C-6C0C@WEBMAIL-MC15.sysops.aol.com> <4694AE50.9010908@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <8C991D9908DA866-CAC-6DC2@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Wouter, Many Thanks, it's a shame the scan is so poor as you highlighted.? If anyone has a better copy I would be very grateful and a copy of the 700 ZXL Service Manual. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11.17am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Hi Ben,? The 700ZXE SM is on the wiki pages:? http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents? One issue is that it has badly scanned schematics, so if those are not so important for you...? ? This is also a call to all those 'leechers' to scan the 700ZXL service manual or any other manual/documentation listed but not downloadable yet so it can be added.? Downloading is so easy, but realize people spend a lot of time scanning these manuals and it would be nice to share the pain and scan something not downloadable in return.? ? Wouter? ? benstratford at aol.com wrote:? > Would anyone have a service manual for the above decks that may be in > electronic format and could be made available?? > Best Regards? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 16:38:18 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <839224.39605.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <891072.80669.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I can only assume competency of the user at the controls! Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: At the same time, how is an automatic ( B.L.E. ) calibration system such as the 700/1000ZXL compares with a totally manual ( B.L.E. ) calibration system ( both L and R channel fully adjustable individually ) such as those offered by the TEAC Z-5000/6000 decks for example ? Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 17:08:44 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <468121.75950.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <736524.77859.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jul 11 18:05:31 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <736524.77859.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <208878.35622.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 20:39:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <208878.35622.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <138466.2252.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Yeap let that one slip through - it was the playback head and not the erase head that was different. The ZXL board was modified to accommodate the load of the Dragon's head. 0.75dB exhibits how tight the tolerance and flat the response is on the ZXL. When you specify 0.75dB, you have to remember that this is pretty tight. When you listen the ZXL and 680ZX side by side, which I have, you really begin to appreciate how deep the 680ZX can go. This is considering that you only have three transistors in the front gain stage compared to the triple stage playback amp on the ZXL. Other then the ZXL series, only the 680ZX is able to reproduce the record warp signals, a flat spot on the idler of a Goldring turntable and other turntable nasties. Back in the 70s, when these equipment came out, manufacturers do not give the exact specs. Simply because they'd be telling their competitors what their decks can do! The most reliable sources of information would be hi-fi reviews. I remember my former McIntosh power amp being officially quoted at 200wpc. When tested independently, it measured 225wpc. I would not be suprised if Nak did the same. Bala LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 11 20:54:28 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:54:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> Hi, What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? bias circuit, and ... ? How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) How long working time to change for a professional service ? Thanks. Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > > In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > > OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas > I'm not against en-masse replacement, I > only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted > (failures that indicate multiple component > failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ > tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck > from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). > > > > Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I > think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the > rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach > and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator > cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely > to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm > quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. > Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. > Jeff W > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 11 17:53:05 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:53:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL In-Reply-To: <8C991D9908DA866-CAC-6DC2@WEBMAIL-RD16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Again NakTalkers, I have a duplicate set of ALL manuals available for scanning. I do not have a scanner or the time to scan this massive archive. I think overseas shipping will be expensive, but it may be the only solution. In my previous call for volunteers I received one lukewarm response. The soultion might be to raise a bit of money to defray shipping. The manuals cost me nothing, so that is not an issue. I estimate it might take $60 to send to Europe, more to Asia. If we choose not to scan the non-cassette and related manuals, we could lower the shipping costs and burdens on the scanner. There is however and opportunity to have an entire Nakamichi archive in one place. p.s. I do not have 1000, 700 manuals, only the -II versions. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Wouter, Many Thanks, it's a shame the scan is so poor as you highlighted. If anyone has a better copy I would be very grateful and a copy of the 700 ZXL Service Manual. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11.17am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Hi Ben, The 700ZXE SM is on the wiki pages: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents One issue is that it has badly scanned schematics, so if those are not so important for you... This is also a call to all those 'leechers' to scan the 700ZXL service manual or any other manual/documentation listed but not downloadable yet so it can be added. Downloading is so easy, but realize people spend a lot of time scanning these manuals and it would be nice to share the pain and scan something not downloadable in return. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 11 21:39:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:39:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <517974.3176.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <517974.3176.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469531EB.9060303@rcn.com> shanti ramachandran wrote: > Mike, > > [....] > Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest > badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the > Dragon. Possibly... But who cares? There is zero (I mean, Z-E-R-O) musical information in the 10Hz - 20Hz range, in 99% of recordings. The only recordings of interest would be those of pipe organs (hardly a very popular instrument) and some hard rock. DVDs contain under 30Hz information in very few action movies -- hardly what people record onto cassettes. > Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the > mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. Actually, grave doubt. Frequency response is just one audible spec. Distortion and transient response are far more important to listening enjoyment. Personally, I preferred the CR-7 to the Dragon (never compared it a 1000ZXL). > For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. I seriously doubt that listening tests will reveal the importance of the slight advantage in the 10Hz - 20Hz frequency range. Needless to say, this is highly subjective. YMMV. -- Ron > > Ram > > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Hi Bala: > With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) > is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the > offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model > numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads > though. Correct me if this is wrong. > > Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the > playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do > you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is > compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be > interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to > a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. > > Again we are dealing with specification that is released > from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the > 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to > go that low though. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > ALL the components in a system have an influence in the > end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit > have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's > playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not > compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it > didn't sound good - man it did! > > Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's > claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and > another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes > below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving > slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX > shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX > series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design > shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck > which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips > on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no > doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without > trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but > hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock > decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. > > If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest > specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires > and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only > accentuate the gap between this and the other models. > > Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my > experiences with Nak equipment Mike. > > Regards, > Bala > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Bala: > Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) > the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from > both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry > of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier > design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the > difference of the frequency response between the two and in > this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback > frequency response. Is this statement correct? > > You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( > assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can > you share some additional info on how is the low frequency > response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db > tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the > 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head > compare with the 1000ZXL. > > Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL > and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as > the record and erase heads. > > Thanks very much. > > > Best Regards, > Mike > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi, > > The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC > which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active > elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more > precise eq settings for the three tape types - these > settings do not affect playback. > > The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp > circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the > 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based > around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. > The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the > RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is > much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. > > In recent times, must has been discussed about the > differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the > CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts > by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, > the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio > engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple > frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all > these parameters correlate with each other. It also does > a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape > selector switch which itself takes away some of the > fine flexibility the deck has. > > Another very important thing was a recent test done here > in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal > (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated > N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the > response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling > off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, > which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best > results in the series of tests which involved other > decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from > the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. > > The experiences hands who have spent decades working on > these equipment share some incredible experiences with > me. With the right tools and equipment , I have > validated many of those experiences. The above tests was > carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly > passed away soon after. > > Bala > From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 11 22:27:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Specs In-Reply-To: <517974.3176.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram makes an excellent point about specs. They are always minimum performance standards. In years of calibrating Nakamichi decks I have NEVER had one not exceed specs by a significant amount. Signal to noise measurements were the only specs that were not signficant number-wise, but 2 dB in S/N is actually quite significant. I will measure Ben's ZXL when I get it up and running. I had posted Ram's ZXL bass measurements...flat to about 12 Hz IIRC. The really impressive performance parameter of the ZXL is not something that shows up on the spec sheet. I measured Ram's ZXL flat to 20kHz at -8Vu (dB) record level. That performance is at a 71/2 ips reel to reel level. On the limitation imposed by record or play bias traps, these are tuned circuits that block the bias signal, confining it to the head. They are all pass except near resonance (50-75kHz depending on the deck). As with any filter there is agradual loss near the tuned frequency, but bias traps are very high Q, and I doubt have any roll off one octave below tuning. In theory a ZXL could be flat to 36 kHz if the head would allow. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jul 12 00:31:50 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Specs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <257318.83467.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RAM: If you prefer, you can send an electronic copy of that brochure to the ebama.com so everybody can have an opportunity to enjoy it for sure and really appreciated your offer in this case. Everybody would be happy. There is no question that measurement data definitely show that the frequency response of a deck can be better or worst than the offical specifications published by the manufacturers. These kind of measurement data are plenty in audio magazine and AUDIO MAGAZINE have repeatly said that measurement data on the 1000ZXL is much better than what the offical specification comes out from Nak and I never argue on this case at all if you read careful on all my previous communications on this matter. What I repeatly point out is that FROM THE OFFICAL NAKAMICHI SALE BROCHURES that I know of ( other than the one that you have that I am looking forward to read it ) , 660/670/680ZX decks have the lowest frequency extend ( down to 10Hz at +/- 3db ). I hope this will clear up what I really intend to point out. I won't claim that the 1000ZXL/Limited is the mother of all cassette decks yet because I have not have a chance to listen to all the decks in the world so far. Even though I do not currently own a 1000ZXL I do know how it sounds and I do own a 700ZXL ( even though it is not working now ). At this point you should know how I feel about the 1000ZXL. Again please mis-quote what I really try to say. Again RAM, thanks for your kind offer and I am looking forward to download your 1000ZXL brochure from ebaman.com when available. Best Regards, Mike Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 04:25:51 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <517974.3176.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313140.4608.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. Mike, When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. Gentlemen, I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to all the decks we talked about. I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL decks to make a realistic comment. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 12 04:39:41 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:39:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:30:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Ram, There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. Bala Actually Bala, since the 1000ZXL requires the 8096C capstan belt, when those belts are gone, so will be the ZXL. Maybe 8 years from now? Maybe 10? Maybe 12? The Dragon, ZX-9, and the Sankyo 3 head direct drive decks do not depend upon this critical and extinct part so might well be a better investment for somebody looking to purchase a deck. They've got better W&F specs anyway. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Jul 12 05:13:17 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:13:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <200707071002.l67A1erM018396@zxe.naks.com> References: <200707071002.l67A1erM018396@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C99249BA4B8B9B-458-30D2@WEBMAIL-RA08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bala Sorry to take so long to reply. I always associate "drying out" of caps only with electrolytics - not to film caps such as the orange caps are. Film caps are made only with foil (normally aluminium), and a plastic film dielectric. There is no electrolyte as in an electrolytic, so there is nothing to "dry out". In the case of orange caps, I believe the film is polypropylene. Every care is taken in manufacture of a film cap to exclude any moisture, and then the assembly is sealed with a conformal coating, often by dipping in a resin of some description, or casting in resin or plastic or whatever. The job of this conformal coating or casting is to keep moisture out, and to add strength to the leadouts, with are soldered to the foil extremes at each end of the foil-dielectric winding. So I would have thought that one mechanism of failure of an orange cap might be ingress of moisture if the coating is damaged - certainly they do not "dry out". In my experience, the coating of an orange cap is often cracked at the leadouts - it could be cracked when inserted into the PCB during manufacture, or maybe as a result of the soldering process - in those days mainly wave soldering or dip soldering. Cracking could also occur by the cyclic heating and cooling of components over a period of time as the equipment is switched on, used, and then switched off. I have found that cassette decks received from customers in more tropical climates require more frequent servicing than those from dryer regions - I have always put this down to the detrimental effect of moisture on mechanisms, motors, and circuit boards. Units received from seaside localities often have similar signs of moisture, with the additional problem that rust is often found on ferrous and other corrodible parts. With your tropical (or is it equatorial?) climate Bala, I would say you must have seen a lot more of this than I have. Regards John Gipps Message: 16 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <925247.13836.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi John, You know which camp I am in - but neverthless I am impressed by your comments which are backed by experience and practical knowledge which you put in a very nice way. The disease which is killing many caps isn't wear, but rather the toll the climate takes on them. In tropical countries, the orange caps do not dry out as much as they do in temperate climates. I would like to know your view on this. Bala johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi David, Ron, and lots of others I'd like to make some comments about capacitor replacement to add to the volumes on this subject recently in Naktalk. David was talking about capacitors replaced in the crossover networks of a pair of B&W DM7s - this is a completely different topic to the replacement of electrolytic capacitors in a piece of electronic equipment - eg a Nakamichi cassette deck. I have a particular background with B&W, because as in other parts of the world, there was a relationship between Nakamichi and B&W in Australia also. So for several decades, I sold and serviced both products. I love B&W speakers, but in common with most speaker manufacturers, they made wide use of bipolar electrolytics in their crossover networks - these are a considerable compromise. They are used because the alternative is unattractive to a large manufacturer - film capacitors of the same capacitance and voltage rating are much larger, and much more expensive - and they are much better. The difference in using an electrolytic in a crossover network, compared to the use in electronics in general, is that in a crossover, the capacitor value is chosen to provide a particular filter response, and thus the impedance of the crossover capacitor over a range of audio frequencies ranges from much less than the impedance of the loudspeaker drivers to much more. The nonlinearity of electrolytics in crossover networks thus becomes audible over a range of frequencies. But in signal circuitry in, say, a cassette deck, an electrolytic is chosen such that its impedance is negligible compared to the other signal path impedances (resistors, and non electrolytic caps mainly), and thus the nonlinearity of the electrolytic has a negligible audible influence. This is why Nakamichi and almost every other electronic manufacturer quite correctly use electrolytics in signal paths as coupling capacitors. But as David discovered, there are obvious audible benefits in replacing bipolar electrolytics in a speaker crossover with film caps. The most popular choice for this replacement are polypropylene crossover capacitors, widely available, more expensive than bipolar electros, but by far the cheapest way of making a good pair of speakers sound better. If you want to know a good source of these parts David, please email me directly. Now to the topic of replacement of all the caps, or all the electrolytics, or even all the orange caps in a Nakamichi cassette dack. I have to agree with Ron, and others who hold his view. In so many devices that customers have brought to me over the years, the process of replacing all of anything has often been very destructive. So many PCBs have delicate tracks, and so few people (even "professionals") have really good desoldering and soldering equipment and skills. I agree with Ron that it is better to repair equipment by properly identifying defective components, than by replacing everything in the hope that this includes the defective component. I also disagree with those who have said that replacing all the caps reduces the probability of subsequent repairs - in a few cases this is true - eg it would be silly to replace one defective 4.7nF orange cap in a bias oscillator - replace two. It is silly to replace a defective left channel cap C152 (say) without replacing the right channel cap C252 - but that's about it. I believe that the trauma suffered by a deck when lots of components are needlessly replaced will probably make the deck more likely to fail in the future. Over the decades, I have replaced a lot of defective orange caps - a long time ago, I realised that there was someting about them, and so I started to save the ones I removed from Nakamichi decks. I have a collection of hundreds and hundreds of defective orange caps - but bear in mind that while I replaced these hundreds, I didn't replace tens of thousands of other orange caps - because they didn't need replacing. Sure, over a period of years, some decks returned to have more defective components replaced, sometimes more orange caps - but the vast majority didn't. Even in orange caps, probably the most unreliable parts I have ever observed, only a few percent broke down, and the vast majority of these were in a very stressful circuit - the bias oscillator - if you exclude 4.7nF caps in bias oscillators, orange cap failure would be way less than 1% (still shocking). I expect many will disagree with me - that's ok. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David ************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Jul 12 05:18:01 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:18:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and cap replacement in general In-Reply-To: <8C99249BA4B8B9B-458-30D2@WEBMAIL-RA08.sysops.aol.com> References: <200707071002.l67A1erM018396@zxe.naks.com> <8C99249BA4B8B9B-458-30D2@WEBMAIL-RA08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9924A63424641-458-30FD@WEBMAIL-RA08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bala Sorry to take so long to reply. I always associate "drying out" of caps only with electrolytics - not to film caps such as the orange caps are. Film caps are made only with foil (normally aluminium), and a plastic film dielectric. There is no electrolyte as in an electrolytic, so there is nothing to "dry out". In the case of orange caps, I believe the film is polypropylene. Every care is taken in manufacture of a film cap to exclude any moisture, and then the assembly is sealed with a conformal coating, often by dipping in a resin of some description, or casting in resin or plastic or whatever. The job of this conformal coating or casting is to keep moisture out, and to add strength to the leadouts, with are soldered to the foil extremes at each end of the foil-dielectric winding. So I would have thought that one mechanism of failure of an orange cap might be ingress of moisture if the coating is damaged - certainly they do not "dry out". In my experience, the coating of an orange cap is often cracked at the leadouts - it could be cracked when inserted into the PCB during manufacture, or maybe as a result of the soldering process - in those days mainly wave soldering or dip soldering. Cracking could also occur by the cyclic heating and cooling of components over a period of time as the equipment is switched on, used, and then switched off. I have found that cassette decks received from customers in more tropical climates require more frequent servicing than those from dryer regions - I have always put this down to the detrimental effect of moisture on mechanisms, motors, and circuit boards. Units received from seaside localities often have similar signs of moisture, with the additional problem that rust is often found on ferrous and other corrodible parts. With your tropical (or is it equatorial?) climate Bala, I would say you must have seen a lot more of this than I have. Regards John Gipps Message: 16 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics and Cap replacement in general To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <925247.13836.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi John, You know which camp I am in - but neverthless I am impressed by your comments which are backed by experience and practical knowledge which you put in a very nice way. The disease which is killing many caps isn't wear, but rather the toll the climate takes on them. In tropical countries, the orange caps do not dry out as much as they do in temperate climates. I would like to know your view on this. Bala johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi David, Ron, and lots of others I'd like to make some comments about capacitor replacement to add to the volumes on this subject recently in Naktalk. David was talking about capacitors replaced in the crossover networks of a pair of B&W DM7s - this is a completely different topic to the replacement of electrolytic capacitors in a piece of electronic equipment - eg a Nakamichi cassette deck. I have a particular background with B&W, because as in other parts of the world, there was a relationship between Nakamichi and B&W in Australia also. So for several decades, I sold and serviced both products. I love B&W speakers, but in common with most speaker manufacturers, they made wide use of bipolar electrolytics in their crossover networks - these are a considerable compromise. They are used because the alternative is unattractive to a large manufacturer - film capacitors of the same capacitance and voltage rating are much larger, and much more expensive - and they are much better. The difference in using an electrolytic in a crossover network, compared to the use in electronics in general, is that in a crossover, the capacitor value is chosen to provide a particular filter response, and thus the impedance of the crossover capacitor over a range of audio frequencies ranges from much less than the impedance of the loudspeaker drivers to much more. The nonlinearity of electrolytics in crossover networks thus becomes audible over a range of frequencies. But in signal circuitry in, say, a cassette deck, an electrolytic is chosen such that its impedance is negligible compared to the other signal path impedances (resistors, and non electrolytic caps mainly), and thus the nonlinearity of the electrolytic has a negligible audible influence. This is why Nakamichi and almost every other electronic manufacturer quite correctly use electrolytics in signal paths as coupling capacitors. But as David discovered, there are obvious audible benefits in replacing bipolar electrolytics in a speaker crossover with film caps. The most popular choice for this replacement are polypropylene crossover capacitors, widely available, more expensive than bipolar electros, but by far the cheapest way of making a good pair of speakers sound better. If you want to know a good source of these parts David, please email me directly. Now to the topic of replacement of all the caps, or all the electrolytics, or even all the orange caps in a Nakamichi cassette dack. I have to agree with Ron, and others who hold his view. In so many devices that customers have brought to me over the years, the process of replacing all of anything has often been very destructive. So many PCBs have delicate tracks, and so few people (even "professionals") have really good desoldering and soldering equipment and skills. I agree with Ron that it is better to repair equipment by properly identifying defective components, than by replacing everything in the hope that this includes the defective component. I also disagree with those who have said that replacing all the caps reduces the probability of subsequent repairs - in a few cases this is true - eg it would be silly to replace one defective 4.7nF orange cap in a bias oscillator - replace two. It is silly to replace a defective left channel cap C152 (say) without replacing the right channel cap C252 - but that's about it. I believe that the trauma suffered by a deck when lots of components are needlessly replaced will probably make the deck more likely to fail in the future. Over the decades, I have replaced a lot of defective orange caps - a long time ago, I realised that there was someting about them, and so I started to save the ones I removed from Nakamichi decks. I have a collection of hundreds and hundreds of defective orange caps - but bear in mind that while I replaced these hundreds, I didn't replace tens of thousands of other orange caps - because they didn't need replacing. Sure, over a period of years, some decks returned to have more defective components replaced, sometimes more orange caps - but the vast majority didn't. Even in orange caps, probably the most unreliable parts I have ever observed, only a few percent broke down, and the vast majority of these were in a very stressful circuit - the bias oscillator - if you exclude 4.7nF caps in bias oscillators, orange cap failure would be way less than 1% (still shocking). I expect many will disagree with me - that's ok. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:33:50 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Replacing electrolytics To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some interesting points from Bala and Ron on replacing caps. Apart from failing, does aging of some caps affect the sound quality from a deck? About 10 or 12 years ago I heard of a source a capacitors for the crossovers in my B & W DM7s which I purchased in 1978. When I replaced them there was a discernable improvement in the sound. But they were big long rectangular caps and I don't know what they are called. Maybe they are due for another change. David ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jul 12 05:21:56 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <313140.4608.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <342711.59431.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala: With all respect as usual I respect your opinions. As a proud owner of 4 660/670ZX and 1 680ZX and 2 682ZX currently, I don't think I need to go to look at what other people said in the forum to determine how these decks sound. Do you agree as well? From my poor ears, I hear no difference between the 660/670ZX and 680ZX but all three sound better than the 682ZX. That is my opinion as well. I am not trying to compare spec. but I just try to point out what has been written down as spec. in the sale brochures among different models. Is that not clear enough? Yes, I am currently haven't own a 1000ZXL but I have listened to it in the past and I know how it sounds. Yes, it is a great deck but then so what? Again, yes this is the only deck that I have not yet own in the entire Nak deck line so far. Is that a big deal? No, not for me. Like what you said I rest my case here because I know what I am talking about. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. Mike, When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. Gentlemen, I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to all the decks we talked about. I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL decks to make a realistic comment. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Ron, you have, in my opinion, the way you write, never heard a ZXL. Therefore, respectfully, you have no valid opinion to give at all! Please listen and then we shall speak again. Until then please do not chastise what you have not even auditioned. Please! And just to correct your specs, the response quoted on ZXL Brochure is 10hz-25Khz not 20Khz. Ron, its not just sound frequencies that we hear that matters. its what we feel also that influences our subjectivity and to the net pleasure in sound listening. I humbly request that you sufficiently audition a ZXL and then speak. Otherwise, you are merely making noise here with nothing to backup and at times making little sense. My apologies for being a little harsh here. Please accept them but still go listen and then post. Regards Ram Ron wrote: shanti ramachandran wrote: > Mike, > > [....] > Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest > badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the > Dragon. Possibly... But who cares? There is zero (I mean, Z-E-R-O) musical information in the 10Hz - 20Hz range, in 99% of recordings. The only recordings of interest would be those of pipe organs (hardly a very popular instrument) and some hard rock. DVDs contain under 30Hz information in very few action movies -- hardly what people record onto cassettes. > Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the > mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. Actually, grave doubt. Frequency response is just one audible spec. Distortion and transient response are far more important to listening enjoyment. Personally, I preferred the CR-7 to the Dragon (never compared it a 1000ZXL). > For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. I seriously doubt that listening tests will reveal the importance of the slight advantage in the 10Hz - 20Hz frequency range. Needless to say, this is highly subjective. YMMV. -- Ron > > Ram > > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Hi Bala: > With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) > is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the > offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model > numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads > though. Correct me if this is wrong. > > Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the > playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do > you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is > compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be > interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to > a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. > > Again we are dealing with specification that is released > from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the > 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to > go that low though. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > ALL the components in a system have an influence in the > end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit > have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's > playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not > compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it > didn't sound good - man it did! > > Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's > claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and > another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes > below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving > slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX > shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX > series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design > shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck > which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips > on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no > doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without > trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but > hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock > decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. > > If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest > specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires > and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only > accentuate the gap between this and the other models. > > Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my > experiences with Nak equipment Mike. > > Regards, > Bala > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Bala: > Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) > the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from > both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry > of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier > design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the > difference of the frequency response between the two and in > this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback > frequency response. Is this statement correct? > > You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( > assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can > you share some additional info on how is the low frequency > response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db > tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the > 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head > compare with the 1000ZXL. > > Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL > and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as > the record and erase heads. > > Thanks very much. > > > Best Regards, > Mike > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi, > > The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC > which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active > elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more > precise eq settings for the three tape types - these > settings do not affect playback. > > The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp > circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the > 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based > around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. > The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the > RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is > much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. > > In recent times, must has been discussed about the > differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the > CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts > by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, > the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio > engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple > frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all > these parameters correlate with each other. It also does > a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape > selector switch which itself takes away some of the > fine flexibility the deck has. > > Another very important thing was a recent test done here > in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal > (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated > N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the > response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling > off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, > which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best > results in the series of tests which involved other > decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from > the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. > > The experiences hands who have spent decades working on > these equipment share some incredible experiences with > me. With the right tools and equipment , I have > validated many of those experiences. The above tests was > carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly > passed away soon after. > > Bala > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 05:45:38 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Specs In-Reply-To: <257318.83467.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411813.9279.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, I shall post that over the weekend for sure. I have heard the 700zxl, the revox215, and umpteen other great Naks including Dragons/zx9s cr7s( I have all of them in my rack in perfect working condition) and I have found that the 1000ZXL is far superior in recording and playback than all the others. The ZXL records better than my AKAI GX 747dbx with dbx on !@7.5ips speed. with EE tape.( My Akai is in brand new condition at that) Tom is correct when he says the zxl is in rtr territory. It in experience has surpassed the rtr running at 7.5ips with metals tape. Please listen, though and ye shall see( HEAR) the difference. Without listening all we can do is speculate and assume and that is inaccurate! Regards. Ram LENA WONG wrote: RAM: If you prefer, you can send an electronic copy of that brochure to the ebama.com so everybody can have an opportunity to enjoy it for sure and really appreciated your offer in this case. Everybody would be happy. There is no question that measurement data definitely show that the frequency response of a deck can be better or worst than the offical specifications published by the manufacturers. These kind of measurement data are plenty in audio magazine and AUDIO MAGAZINE have repeatly said that measurement data on the 1000ZXL is much better than what the offical specification comes out from Nak and I never argue on this case at all if you read careful on all my previous communications on this matter. What I repeatly point out is that FROM THE OFFICAL NAKAMICHI SALE BROCHURES that I know of ( other than the one that you have that I am looking forward to read it ) , 660/670/680ZX decks have the lowest frequency extend ( down to 10Hz at +/- 3db ). I hope this will clear up what I really intend to point out. I won't claim that the 1000ZXL/Limited is the mother of all cassette decks yet because I have not have a chance to listen to all the decks in the world so far. Even though I do not currently own a 1000ZXL I do know how it sounds and I do own a 700ZXL ( even though it is not working now ). At this point you should know how I feel about the 1000ZXL. Again please mis-quote what I really try to say. Again RAM, thanks for your kind offer and I am looking forward to download your 1000ZXL brochure from ebaman.com when available. Best Regards, Mike Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Mike, When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. Gentlemen, I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to all the decks we talked about. I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL decks to make a realistic comment. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 14:32:16 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <342711.59431.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363032.30841.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, With all respects, you really do not know what you are talking about because the 1000ZXL is a BIG DEAL! Period. Please try and acquire one and you will be enlightened! I guarantee that Mike. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Bala: With all respect as usual I respect your opinions. As a proud owner of 4 660/670ZX and 1 680ZX and 2 682ZX currently, I don't think I need to go to look at what other people said in the forum to determine how these decks sound. Do you agree as well? From my poor ears, I hear no difference between the 660/670ZX and 680ZX but all three sound better than the 682ZX. That is my opinion as well. I am not trying to compare spec. but I just try to point out what has been written down as spec. in the sale brochures among different models. Is that not clear enough? Yes, I am currently haven't own a 1000ZXL but I have listened to it in the past and I know how it sounds. Yes, it is a great deck but then so what? Again, yes this is the only deck that I have not yet own in the entire Nak deck line so far. Is that a big deal? No, not for me. Like what you said I rest my case here because I know what I am talking about. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Ram, There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. Mike, When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. Gentlemen, I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to all the decks we talked about. I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL decks to make a realistic comment. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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How about showing a little tolerance for the rest of us who aren't lucky enough to own one and drop the tiresome "mine is better than yours" comments you've been making ad naseum. We all know you have a 1000ZXL and like it a lot - you've beaten us all over the head with it. By all means, enjoy your 1000ZXL, but please stop flaunting it. Thanks, Geoffrey Reynolds On 7/11/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Ron, > > Shows how little you have listened ....if not you would have discovered > what many of us here have and definitely cared pal. > > Ron, you have, in my opinion, the way you write, never heard a ZXL. > Therefore, respectfully, you have no valid opinion to give at all! > > Please listen and then we shall speak again. Until then please do not > chastise what you have not even auditioned. Please! > > And just to correct your specs, the response quoted on ZXL Brochure is > 10hz-25Khz not 20Khz. > > Ron, its not just sound frequencies that we hear that matters. its what we > feel also that influences our subjectivity and to the net pleasure in sound > listening. > > I humbly request that you sufficiently audition a ZXL and then speak. > Otherwise, you are merely making noise here with nothing to backup and at > times making little sense. > > My apologies for being a little harsh here. Please accept them but still > go listen and then post. > Regards > Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Jul 12 14:50:49 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:50:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 12 15:46:37 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> References: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> Message-ID: <469630BD.5010509@rcn.com> The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak products until the early 90s. Some models used quite a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or becoming open. Failures occur especially in high stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the bias oscillator. When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the probability of further failures is comparatively high. I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional expense of roughly $100. -- Ron Bernard Pradie wrote: > Hi, > > > What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? > bias circuit, and ... ? > > How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) > > How long working time to change for a professional service ? > > Thanks. > > Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > >> >> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: >> >> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas >> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I >> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted >> (failures that indicate multiple component >> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ >> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck >> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). >> >> >> >> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I >> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the >> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach >> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator >> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely >> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm >> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. >> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 12 16:19:27 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:19:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <388846.2752.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <388846.2752.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4696386F.7050907@rcn.com> shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ron, > > Shows how little you have listened ....if not you would have discovered > what many of us here have and definitely cared pal. > > Ron, you have, in my opinion, the way you write, never heard a ZXL. > Therefore, respectfully, you have no valid opinion to give at all! > Please listen and then we shall speak again. Until then please do not > chastise what you have not even auditioned. Please! I freely admit I have not listened to a 1000ZXL and therefore, did not allude to it in my response. My comments were general and apply to any deck. > And just to correct your specs, the response quoted on ZXL Brochure is > 10hz-25Khz not 20Khz. But since no one in this forum can hear 20KHz -- let alone 25KHz -- this makes no difference. Not to mention that there are very few LPs that contain frequencies beyond 20KHz and zero CD player at all. > Ron, its not just sound frequencies that we hear that matters. its what > we feel also that influences our subjectivity and to the net pleasure in > sound listening. What you feel is your own business. It has nothing to do with the merit of one deck vs. another. > I humbly request that you sufficiently audition a ZXL and then speak. > Otherwise, you are merely making noise here with nothing to backup and > at times making little sense. There is no need to audition any deck to discuss the importance of certain specs. My comments apply equally not only to *any* cassette deck but also to *any* audio component. Specifically: response below 25Hz and above 19KHz is largely immaterial, since people cannot hear those frequencies. In addition, components that offer response to inaudible frequencies are not necessarily superiour to those that do not. > My apologies for being a little harsh here. As long as you stick to the subject and refrain from personal attacks, I will do the same. -- Ron > Please accept them but still > go listen and then post. > Regards > Ram > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Mike, > > > > [....] > > Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest > > badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) > including the > > Dragon. > > Possibly... But who cares? > > There is zero (I mean, Z-E-R-O) musical information in > the 10Hz - 20Hz range, in 99% of recordings. The only > recordings of interest would be those of pipe organs > (hardly a very popular instrument) and some hard rock. > > DVDs contain under 30Hz information in very few action > movies -- hardly what people record onto cassettes. > > > Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the > > mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. > > Actually, grave doubt. Frequency response is just one > audible spec. Distortion and transient response are > far more important to listening enjoyment. Personally, > I preferred the CR-7 to the Dragon (never compared it > a 1000ZXL). > > > For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. > > I seriously doubt that listening tests will reveal the > importance of the slight advantage in the 10Hz - 20Hz > frequency range. > > Needless to say, this is highly subjective. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > > > Hi Bala: > > With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) > > is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the > > offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model > > numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads > > though. Correct me if this is wrong. > > > > Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the > > playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do > > you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is > > compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be > > interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to > > a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. > > > > Again we are dealing with specification that is released > > from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the > > 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to > > go that low though. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > ALL the components in a system have an influence in the > > end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit > > have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's > > playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not > > compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it > > didn't sound good - man it did! > > > > Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's > > claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and > > another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes > > below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving > > slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX > > shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX > > series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design > > shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck > > which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips > > on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no > > doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without > > trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but > > hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock > > decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. > > > > If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest > > specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires > > and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only > > accentuate the gap between this and the other models. > > > > Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my > > experiences with Nak equipment Mike. > > > > Regards, > > Bala > > > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > > > Bala: > > Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) > > the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from > > both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry > > of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier > > design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the > > difference of the frequency response between the two and in > > this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback > > frequency response. Is this statement correct? > > > > You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( > > assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can > > you share some additional info on how is the low frequency > > response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db > > tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the > > 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head > > compare with the 1000ZXL. > > > > Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL > > and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as > > the record and erase heads. > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC > > which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active > > elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more > > precise eq settings for the three tape types - these > > settings do not affect playback. > > > > The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp > > circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the > > 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based > > around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. > > The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the > > RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is > > much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. > > > > In recent times, must has been discussed about the > > differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the > > CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts > > by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, > > the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio > > engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple > > frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all > > these parameters correlate with each other. It also does > > a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape > > selector switch which itself takes away some of the > > fine flexibility the deck has. > > > > Another very important thing was a recent test done here > > in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal > > (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated > > N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the > > response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling > > off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, > > which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best > > results in the series of tests which involved other > > decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from > > the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. > > > > The experiences hands who have spent decades working on > > these equipment share some incredible experiences with > > me. With the right tools and equipment , I have > > validated many of those experiences. The above tests was > > carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly > > passed away soon after. > > > > Bala From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 12 16:36:17 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:36:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 12 16:40:44 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C992A9C35A46F0-111C-AD74@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> Very intreaguing.? Where would you insert the tape? Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 3.36pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? ? tom ? ? ? Tom Brucker? csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, ? I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999.? Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak".? The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response.?(I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) ?They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi?wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles.? I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike.? Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi?? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike.? This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage.? I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. ? Thanks, Doug? HiFi Hospital? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 12 16:47:21 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:47:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] myth Message-ID: It is a very widespread belief that everything we hear is 20-20kHz, because the speaker and amplifier manufacturers have told us that for years. I just posted about transient hearing. Now let's tackle 20-20k. Two reasons to go beyond (below?) 20-20k: Any design optimised for 20-20k audio must behave perfectly, that is must not misbehave, is the octave above and below, so a good design performs well 10-40k. Those with tubes will cry "foul", however give a listen to the Audio Research tube designs and you will be convinced. CD has terrible problems with the 20k-40k region (don't believe for a moment that it is successfully filtered). Listen to anything percussive, from Makrocosmos to a harpsichord, and you are hearing beyond 20k. Older listeners, listen to electrostatics or an Infinity emits; they still sound different because the transients do not roll off the way 20k does. Deep bass moves from a hearing sensation to a feeling sensation. We have all felt rumbles of thunder. We hear and feel simultaneously. Listen to Pink Floyd's heartbeat on an excellent system with the rumble filter off, and you will feel your heartbeat matching the recording. This sensory level of hearing is outside the 20-20k band, but we all enjoy it when we hear it. (except those subways that creep into NYC recordings of classical music). Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 12 16:30:29 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:30:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <313140.4608.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala is dead-on correct about perceiving frequencies beyond 20kHz. I was searching for the groundbreaking Absolute Sound study (yes, science) that measured lp recorded transients up to 36kHz. 36kHz on vinyl folks. That info move moving coil designers to flatten their resonance peaks, users to use 47k ohm input loading, and all manufacturers consider what happens to these transients in the signal path. Oh yes, they experimented with real people feeding filtered and raw sound, and the test revealed the humans can hear these transients, or at least identify when they are filtered out. My feeling is transient hearing is a bone conduction type of hearing. Try plugging your ears and put your head on something solid. What you hear is bone conducted sound. I have a stupid question. Wouldn't the 700ZXL match the 1000ZXL in playback quality. Wouldn't a 700ZXL properly aligned for a tape give the same flat response as a 1000ZXL? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Ram, There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. Mike, When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. Gentlemen, I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to all the decks we talked about. I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL decks to make a realistic comment. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Mike, I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never made it to the manual. I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you so desire. The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the right ramm track? Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in their specs for their most pretigious deck? Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) including the Dragon. Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Bala: With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see what the result would be. Again we are dealing with specification that is released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. Thanks. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Mike, ALL the components in a system have an influence in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't sound good - man it did! Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge over the other models without trying. Sure you can get the other models to sound better - but hey thats with tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, its going to only accentuate the gap between this and the other models. Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my experiences with Nak equipment Mike. Regards, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Bala: Based on your authoritative writing ( as ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. Both the head and the playback amplifier design play a role in determining the overall outcome of the difference of the frequency response between the two and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a better playback frequency response. Is this statement correct? You mention that the 680ZX gives the best response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in your writing. Can you share some additional info on how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I assume the 680ZX has a different playback head compare with the 1000ZXL. Finally I just want to mention that the 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L playback head as well as the record and erase heads. Thanks very much. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi, The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's filter allows more precise eq settings for the three tape types - these settings do not affect playback. The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is much quieter, but the response of the head is of question. In recent times, must has been discussed about the differences of the auto-alignment circuits between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in aligning a master deck, using multiple frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure all these parameters correlate with each other. It also does a full freq. response check. The CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck has. Another very important thing was a recent test done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's playback signal (L-channel only) was connected to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set into play-mode and the response was plotted. The Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best results in the series of tests which involved other decks. The deck that gave the best response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. The experiences hands who have spent decades working on these equipment share some incredible experiences with me. With the right tools and equipment , I have validated many of those experiences. The above tests was carried out with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed away soon after. Bala -------------------------------------------------------------------- It's here! 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Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 18:22:09 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:22:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: <469531EB.9060303@rcn.com> <388846.2752.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10707120922l6cbfacedyeda544f5b7b4be7b@mail.gmail.com> Well said Geoffrey, I was on the verge of suggesting the creation of a separate mailing list specifically for 1000ZXL owners, but you put it very nicely, better than I would have. I am not jealous of the 1000ZXL owners - I've had one, I couldn't care less at present, I sold my last cassette deck 3 years ago and have no intention of buying one again, be it the King, Queen or Godfather of all decks. I am still subscribed to Naktalk purely for nostalgic reasons and because I feel I could have some input based on my humble mainly non-technical experience. And I still enjoy most of the postings. Rgds George On 7/12/07, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Ram, > > This whole 1000ZXL is better than anything else discussion is quickly > growing old. It very well may be the best deck ever made (I've never heard > one), but there is also a limited number of them to go around (and has been > pointed out, some critical parts are no longer available, so the number will > continue to get smaller over time) so only a small percentage of Nak owners > can have them. How about showing a little tolerance for the rest of us who > aren't lucky enough to own one and drop the tiresome "mine is better than > yours" comments you've been making ad naseum. We all know you have a > 1000ZXL and like it a lot - you've beaten us all over the head with it. By > all means, enjoy your 1000ZXL, but please stop flaunting it. > > Thanks, > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > On 7/11/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Ron, > > > > Shows how little you have listened ....if not you would have discovered > what many of us here have and definitely cared pal. > > > > Ron, you have, in my opinion, the way you write, never heard a ZXL. > Therefore, respectfully, you have no valid opinion to give at all! > > > > Please listen and then we shall speak again. Until then please do not > chastise what you have not even auditioned. Please! > > > > And just to correct your specs, the response quoted on ZXL Brochure is > 10hz-25Khz not 20Khz. > > > > Ron, its not just sound frequencies that we hear that matters. its what we > feel also that influences our subjectivity and to the net pleasure in sound > listening. > > > > I humbly request that you sufficiently audition a ZXL and then speak. > Otherwise, you are merely making noise here with nothing to backup and at > times making little sense. > > > > My apologies for being a little harsh here. Please accept them but still > go listen and then post. > > Regards > > Ram > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 12 19:09:09 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:09:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement Message-ID: In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:36:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: It is a very widespread belief that everything we hear is 20-20kHz, because the speaker and amplifier manufacturers have told us that for years. I just posted about transient hearing. Now let's tackle 20-20k. Two reasons to go beyond (below?) 20-20k: Any design optimised for 20-20k audio must behave perfectly, that is must not misbehave, is the octave above and below, so a good design performs well 10-40k. Those with tubes will cry "foul", however give a listen to the Audio Research tube designs and you will be convinced. CD has terrible problems with the 20k-40k region (don't believe for a moment that it is successfully filtered). Listen to anything percussive, from Makrocosmos to a harpsichord, and you are hearing beyond 20k. Older listeners, listen to electrostatics or an Infinity emits; they still sound different because the transients do not roll off the way 20k does. Deep bass moves from a hearing sensation to a feeling sensation. We have all felt rumbles of thunder. We hear and feel simultaneously. Listen to Pink Floyd's heartbeat on an excellent system with the rumble filter off, and you will feel your heartbeat matching the recording. This sensory level of hearing is outside the 20-20k band, but we all enjoy it when we hear it. (except those subways that creep into NYC recordings of classical music). Yeah, that's exactly right. Cognitive scientists have now demonstrated that the brain recognizes signals up to about 28K Hertz, but not as sound! It turns out the information that bi-aural hearing processes as direction (right or left) is largely in this region of the aural spectrum. That's one of the reasons that digital recording does not contain the same stereo info as analog - which is to say, the listener doesn't pick up the position of the instrument on the stage in relation to the other instruments as well in digital as in analog. The higher frequencies in the mid-20K range contain this info. The other reason that digital doesn't contain good stereo info is that digital engineers are idiots and substitute digital manipulation of the signal in the studio for setting the mics up right in the first place. The infrasonic content is important- if you're an elephant. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 12 19:10:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:10:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement Message-ID: In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:38:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: Bala is dead-on correct about perceiving frequencies beyond 20kHz. I was searching for the groundbreaking Absolute Sound study (yes, science) that measured lp recorded transients up to 36kHz. 36kHz on vinyl folks. That info move moving coil designers to flatten their resonance peaks, users to use 47k ohm input loading, and all manufacturers consider what happens to these transients in the signal path. Oh yes, they experimented with real people feeding filtered and raw sound, and the test revealed the humans can hear these transients, or at least identify when they are filtered out. My feeling is transient hearing is a bone conduction type of hearing. Try plugging your ears and put your head on something solid. What you hear is bone conducted sound. However, I think it's a very bad idea to evaluate or compare tape decks based on specs from beyond what the human brain perceives as sound. Conceivably, you could have a deck which tested well in extreme frequencies but didn't actually sound that good in the mid-range. Not that I think that applies to any Nak. Anyway, a few lines on an oscilliscope ot 36 K isn't much proof of anything really significant. I still have problems with the W&F of the classic transport decks, and extremely high frequency sound and infrasonics seem to me like a very trivial way to compare decks. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Thu Jul 12 18:34:23 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:34:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <469630BD.5010509@rcn.com> References: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> <469630BD.5010509@rcn.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron, I'm not specialist, I speak under control of other readers. I read orange caps are about 50 in a 1000ZXL, and 20 in a 480. But my question was the number only in bias circuit ? This number may be more limited. I presume round 4 to 8 ??? This seems a replacement more reduced and statistically effective. I guess in term of preventive service it can be only question of statistics. You speaks about stress in bias circuit, does it also due to higher voltage (I reed 100 V for Bias circuit, 50 V others parts ?) Thanks and regards Bernard Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > > The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak > products until the early 90s. Some models used quite > a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years > of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or > becoming open. Failures occur especially in high > stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the > bias oscillator. > > When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in > the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates > from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the > probability of further failures is comparatively high. > > I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing > all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the > number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, > cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these > caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job > could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits > will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional > expense of roughly $100. > > -- Ron > > > > Bernard Pradie wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? > > bias circuit, and ... ? > > > > How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) > > > > How long working time to change for a professional service ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > > > >> > >> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > >> > >> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas > >> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I > >> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted > >> (failures that indicate multiple component > >> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ > >> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck > >> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). > >> > >> > >> > >> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I > >> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the > >> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach > >> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator > >> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely > >> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm > >> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. > >> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. > >> Jeff W > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 12 19:09:11 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:09:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46966037.9000008@rcn.com> Tom, assuming you are referring to the same 'study' I remember, it was subject to serious controversy. The idea that 20KHz and higher frequencies can be perceived in transients but not in a steady state signal is laughable by anyone that understands signal theory. In any case, getting 25KHz off vinyl is a very tricky proposition. Very few LPs contain such high frequencies - probably, only 'audiophile' records. Even those that do on the first play, lose them quickly on subsequent plays -- not all of us can afford $4500 cartridges and $2500 arms. So, maybe some LPs do contain over 20KHz when new, this is by no means common. CD players do not output anything over 19KHz. This is a not a player quality issue, but part of the CD standard (the Nyquist frequency is 20,500Hz and the anti aliasing filter cannot be too close to that if it's to be effective at all). The subject is not as simple as it may seem. It is not a discussion for an email list, it would be ridiculously lengthy. If we ever meet in person, I'd be happy to talk about this over a cup of coffee (or two or three). For now, let's agree to disagree. -- Ron hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Bala is dead-on correct about perceiving frequencies beyond 20kHz. I was > searching for the groundbreaking Absolute Sound study (yes, science) > that measured lp recorded transients up to 36kHz. 36kHz on vinyl folks. > That info move moving coil designers to flatten their resonance peaks, > users to use 47k ohm input loading, and all manufacturers consider what > happens to these transients in the signal path. Oh yes, they > experimented with real people feeding filtered and raw sound, and the > test revealed the humans can hear these transients, or at least identify > when they are filtered out. My feeling is transient hearing is a bone > conduction type of hearing. Try plugging your ears and put your head on > something solid. What you hear is bone conducted sound. > I have a stupid question. Wouldn't the 700ZXL match the 1000ZXL > in playback quality. Wouldn't a 700ZXL properly aligned for a tape give > the same flat response as a 1000ZXL? > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:26 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement > > Ram, > > There are a number of Nak-talkers who do not want to be > drawn into this mindless debate because they've heard the decks, and > they would be facing people who know less. Even Tom, whom I am sure > has been exposed to a number of decks, was smittened by its performance. > > Mike, > > When you mention about 0.75dB and 3dB difference in spec > tolerance, have you heard how they translate into real sound? Look > through the Nak archives and you will find people who have talked > about the 680ZX's performance. I am not talking about the 660 or > 670, there are not really up there with the 680ZX or 682ZX. > > This stuff reminds me of the mindless spec wars just like the power > amp wars. However, many people who have not heard the 1000ZXL , but > choose to make baseless comments, forget a few important points. > > The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance > within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. > Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can > perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in > a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency > response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck > which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the > ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can > hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. > > Gentlemen, > I have openly championed the 1000ZXL for the past years, and those > who have heard the deck never have come back to me saying it doesn't > sound as good. This is Nakamichi's flagship deck, one which they > even made a special edition of. If they put a deck this expensive on > the market. there has to be something about it. I have also stressed > that I retain all my other decks because I appreciate each one for > its fine points. Specs, analysis and brochures aside, one fact > cannot be refuted: I speak after thorough and prolonged listening to > all the decks we talked about. > > I rest my case here because not many people have listened to the ZXL > decks to make a realistic comment. > > Bala > > */shanti ramachandran /* wrote: > > Mike, > > I am in possession of a Nak 1000ZXL brochure that clearly claims > freq response +-0.75 at 10Hz-25Khz. although that spec never > made it to the manual. > > I can have a copy emailed to your email address privately if you > so desire. > > The 680zx quotes the same spec on the manual. > > One point of mention here also. The zxl decks have ramm encoding > at 5Hz. So as you claim, if the deck can not have a response of > 5Hz like the 680zx, how is it able to encode this RAMM at 5Hz ( > or Less) and recognize the same 5Hz. at playback to get to the > right ramm track? > > Mike, isnt it now obvious that Nak wanted to be conservative in > their specs for their most pretigious deck? > > Does it now convince everyone out there that the ZXL has the > widest badnwidth of any Nak( or any other deck for that matter) > including the Dragon. > > Mike, lets face it. THE 1000ZXL and its limited big sister is > the mother of all cassette decks. No doubt about that. > > For the unconvinced, hearing will be truly believing. > > Ram > > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Hi Bala: > With all respect, the playback head of the 680ZX > ( P-9F ) is not the same as the one used in 1000ZXL ( P-8L ) > according to the offical Nakamichi product brochures unless > the difference in model numbers mean nothing. They have the > same record and erase heads though. Correct me if this is wrong. > > Like you clearly pointed out that the heads and > the playback amplifiers have major influence on the end > result, do you think that the 1000ZXL playback card design ( > as is ) is compatible/optimized to a DRAGON's head design? > It will be interesting to see if you place a 1000ZXL > playback head and mated to a DRAGON playback card and see > what the result would be. > > Again we are dealing with specification that is > released from Nakamichi offically. Yes, the 680ZX has low > end lower than the 1000ZXL at +/-3db mark but at +/- 0.75db, > 680ZX might not be able to go that low though. > > Thanks. > > Mike > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > ALL the components in a system have an influence > in the end result. Having said that, the heads, and > playback circuit have the larger impact. The Dragon's > head, fitted onto the ZXL's playback card with > appropriate loading modifications, did not compare well > with the ZXL's P8H head. That isn't to say it didn't > sound good - man it did! > > Nak's claims for the 1000ZXL starts at 20Hz (+/-0.75dB). > It's claims for the 680 starts at 10Hz (+/- 3db). > However, myself and another ex-naktalk member have noted > that the response goes below the 10Hz mark - geez you > could see the woofer cones moving slowly replicating the > warp on my LP records' source! The 680ZX shares the same > playback and erase heads of the ZXL and ZX series. The > 680ZX is built to be rugged and its circuit design shows > where Nak has preferred reliability. Also, this is a > deck which gives better frequency response then mp3 does > at 15/16ips on cassette tape! In terms of frequency > response, I have no doubt that the 680ZX has an edge > over the other models without trying. Sure you can get > the other models to sound better - but hey thats with > tweaking and mods. We're talkng about stock decks. No > wires, no mods, no under the hood tinkering. > > If you look at Nak's specs, the ZXL has the widest, and > tightest specs within the audio band. If I were to start > changing wires and doing some souping up on this baby, > its going to only accentuate the gap between this and > the other models. > > Let me know if there is anything wrong in sharing my > experiences with Nak equipment Mike. > > Regards, > Bala > > */LENA WONG /* wrote: > > Bala: > Based on your authoritative writing ( as > ususal ) the playback test between a DRAGON and a > 1000ZXL come from both the playback head and the > playback amplifier circuitry of the two systems. > Both the head and the playback amplifier design play > a role in determining the overall outcome of the > difference of the frequency response between the two > and in this case the 1000ZXL comes out to have a > better playback frequency response. Is this > statement correct? > > You mention that the 680ZX gives the best > response ( assume playblack ) aside the 1000ZXL in > your writing. Can you share some additional info on > how is the low frequency response of the 680ZX > compared with the 1000ZXL at +/-3db tolerance range > ( not the superior +/- 0.75 db of the 1000ZXL ). I > assume the 680ZX has a different playback head > compare with the 1000ZXL. > > Finally I just want to mention that the > 700/1000ZXL and the ZX7/9 share the same P-8L > playback head as well as the record and erase heads. > > Thanks very much. > > > Best Regards, > Mike > > > > > > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Hi, > > The 1000ZXL uses the common 7300 > Dolby IC which cannot be bypassed completely. > Some active elements do kick in. The ZXL's > filter allows more precise eq settings for the > three tape types - these settings do not affect > playback. > > The ZXL circuit uses a complimentary dual JFET / > opamp circuit for the first stage. I see it > commonly using the 2SK240. The Dragon uses a > simplified circuit based around the 2SK170, a > single FET and the NJM072 op-amp. The ZXL uses a > RC4559DD, a high gain version of the RC4558 > which is a work-horse of op-amp. The Dragon is > much quieter, but the response of the head is of > question. > > In recent times, must has been discussed about > the differences of the auto-alignment circuits > between the CR7 and the 1000ZXL. I also get > reminded of the efforts by Aiwa (D.A.T.A system) > and JVC (BEST system). However, the 1000ZXL > mimics the procedure used by studio engineers in > aligning a master deck, using multiple > frequencies, adjusting tape eq, and making sure > all these parameters correlate with each other. > It also does a full freq. response check. The > CR7 uses a tape selector switch which itself > takes away some of the fine flexibility the deck > has. > > Another very important thing was a recent test > done here in Singapore where a stock Dragon's > playback signal (L-channel only) was connected > to a calibrated N-1000ZXL. Both decks were set > into play-mode and the response was plotted. The > Dragon's head started rolling off at about 27kHZ > vs the performance of the stock ZXL, which > started rolling at 38kHZ. This was the best > results in the series of tests which involved > other decks. The deck that gave the best > response aside from the ZXL series, was the 680ZX. > > The experiences hands who have spent decades > working on these equipment share some incredible > experiences with me. With the right tools and > equipment , I have validated many of those > experiences. The above tests was carried out > with an experienced Nak tech who sadly passed > away soon after. > > Bala > From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 12 19:02:27 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:02:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c7c4a6$6e1147f0$a900a8c0@Shaun> If anybody wants to remind themselves of what out of hearing range high frequencies sound like, try to find somewhere where there are bats about. I am 63 and my hearing is quite dulled now. Put me near bats and I can feel it like a knife cutting into my brain; it almost hurts, yet I can hear nothing. The same thing goes for sub 20hz low frequencies. Go to a large church or concert hall where they have a very large pipe organ. When those bottom half octave pedals play through their 32' or, better still, 64' pipes, the earth moves beneath you. When you have felt 16 hz it is almost scary. It is an added dimension to the enjoyment of musical reproduction. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: 12 July 2007 15:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Bala is dead-on correct about perceiving frequencies beyond 20kHz. I was searching for the groundbreaking Absolute Sound study (yes, science) that measured lp recorded transients up to 36kHz. 36kHz on vinyl folks. That info move moving coil designers to flatten their resonance peaks, users to use 47k ohm input loading, and all manufacturers consider what happens to these transients in the signal path. Oh yes, they experimented with real people feeding filtered and raw sound, and the test revealed the humans can hear these transients, or at least identify when they are filtered out. My feeling is transient hearing is a bone conduction type of hearing. Try plugging your ears and put your head on something solid. What you hear is bone conducted sound. I have a stupid question. Wouldn't the 700ZXL match the 1000ZXL in playback quality. Wouldn't a 700ZXL properly aligned for a tape give the same flat response as a 1000ZXL? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 18:26:59 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:26:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <8C992A9C35A46F0-111C-AD74@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C992A9C35A46F0-111C-AD74@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110707120926g33fea5lb87ee175977f7960@mail.gmail.com> Those would have been the newer IEC 1981 standard bikes, they dumbed down the gearing to match other bicycles manufacturers inferior gears, it was sad. -Tim On 7/12/07, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > Very intreaguing. Where would you insert the tape? > Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hitech at bellsouth.net > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 3.36pm > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests > > Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail > sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the > bike balck and red? > > tom > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com[ > mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com > ]*On Behalf Of *Doug Guth > *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests > > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. > Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called > "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some > highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels > to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or > 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice > prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, > Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I > recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the > bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made > the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the > bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple > nicks and scratches form! storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it > up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store > photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your > favourite artists. Click Here for more information. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 12 19:32:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:32:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement Message-ID: In a message dated 7/12/2007 7:13:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, greynlds at gmail.com writes: This whole 1000ZXL is better than anything else discussion is quickly growing old. It very well may be the best deck ever made (I've never heard one), but there is also a limited number of them to go around (and has been pointed out, some critical parts are no longer available, so the number will continue to get smaller over time) so only a small percentage of Nak owners can have them. How about showing a little tolerance for the rest of us who aren't lucky enough to own one and drop the tiresome "mine is better than yours" comments you've been making ad naseum. We all know you have a 1000ZXL and like it a lot - you've I agree. There's a problem with the "the ZXL sounds better" argument. There's an old bait and switch trick used by speaker salemen - after showing you a good set of speakers, they would jack up the volume on a cheap set of speakers and try to sell them to you instead. People always interpret higher volume as "better sound." Any A-B-C comparison done between different decks (or other components) has to be very carefully balanced for output before any comparison can be done. I myself have spent a lot of time setting up various Naks for just exactly this purpose. Naks generally have an output rated at 0.5v to 1v but among the ones rated at 1v there is actually a huge difference - that particular spec isn't quite right. Ones rated at 1v output actually can vary audibly. Generally speaking, the higher the purchase price of a Nak, the higher the output, which I believe is Nakamichi's version of the speaker salesman's trick. The end result of all this comparison was that I realized that decks sounded "different," not "better." In my ears, the superior direct drive transport of the Dragon, ZX-9, and the 3 head direct drive Sankyo decks gave significantly better peformance to certain tapes where W&F was a real issue in playback (tapes of certain Indian instruments which I use to practice with). I'm not talking about coloration or any tonal quality, just tape stability, which is absolutely crucial in drone instruments. It was also interesting to me to hear that when ESL rebuilt my ZX-7, the sound inproved slightly, as compared to a 680. So I guess the quality of certain components does make an audible difference, if you only knew which ones to replace - and equally importantly, which ones not to. In general, my own listening tests tended to show me that the condition of the deck made more difference than the model, which is to say that all the high-end Nak decks were roughly equal, and if you happened to have one which was in very good condition, well-aligned and calibrated with little wear on the heads, it was better than a "superior" model which had enough use on it to start showing wear. At the point that I realized my ZX-7 was going downhill, I sent it to ESL and it really is "as good as new" now. So, I think the "my deck is better than yours" thing is so subjective it's not worth pursuing. If you spend $2K on a deck and then another $1K and up get it running right, of course you're going to think it sounds great (even if it doesn't). Jeff W ____________________________________ Get a sneak peak of the all-new _AOL.com_ (http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982) . ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 12 23:30:10 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:30:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OK to leave it on? (Plus OT In-Reply-To: <8C9914DBEEA35F0-18A4-54EA@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I suppose it depends on a lot of things ... most of which I don't understand! For example, my Graham Slee Jazz Club is supposed to take something like 20 hours to warm up so that it performs at its best. Switch it off and you have to wait another 20 or so hours ... (BTW, has anyone else got a Jazz Club? I've mislaid the manual for the 78 record settings.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: 10 July 2007 22:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: TA-4a receiver-OK to leave it on? Andy, In my experience, leaving low current draw electronics on constantly won't hurt it (however, read on). Some people say to leave them on to prevent the instant power surge on the components or to prevent the constant thermal cycling, etc. I personally turn my stuff off most of the time because the periods of inactivity can be excessive (more than several hours or a day). I definitely turn off high draw devices such as amps, receivers, TV's because leaving them on is just wasting electricity. The other issue with vintage electronics in particular, and the issue that I find most unsettling, is that most lighting is done with incandescent light bulbs instead of LED's so they will burn out pretty quick if you leave it on all the time. I do leave my Denon DR-M44HX cassette deck on for long periods of time because all of the lighting is LED and it has a direct drive motor so no brushes to wear out. Some will argue that warmed up electronics sound bette! r. I once had a Sony ES D/A converter that sounded noticeably better when having been warmed up for a few hours. The previous owner never turned it off (I mean NEVER-left on for months at a time) and consequently, the status indicators were burned out, as they were incandescent bulbs. In the end, I guess it's personal preference, but in this day of being green and carbon footprints and global warming band-wagoneers, just turn it off. Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 12 23:30:17 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:30:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] freq response In-Reply-To: <313140.4608.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Quite so. Many frequencies (both high and low) may not be audible but some of them can be felt. Hence, listening to recordings of church organs is rarely as satisfying as a live performance because the hi fi systems are generally incapable of reproducing such gut wrenching frequencies. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 12 July 2007 03:26 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement The wide freq response makes for a very impressive performance within the audio band. Remember that this is from a stock deck. Although we do not heard sounds beyond the audio band, we still can perceive them. This theory was put forward by Tim de Paravicini in a Hi-Fi World article. This isn't to say that a wide frequency response means everything. There is that one aspects of the deck which we cannot quantify here and that is the sound. When hear the ZXL series, the 680ZX and all the other decks mentioned here, I can hear and appreciate well the fine points of each deck. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 12 20:06:14 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:06:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Message-ID: Do these bikes use orange caps? Ben (Sorry) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 12 20:20:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:20:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Message-ID: Bernard, The 480 has 11 Polypropylene Caps - 9 of which are rated at 100V and 2 at 50V. There are 3 in the Bias Oscillator if I recall correctly. As you may know, I'm in the camp that would replace them all if they start to fail only to minimise the time revisiting the job and recalibrating over again. And if you are replacing them, why not try polystyrenes to see if the claimed performance improvement actually happens? (See comments from Steven Sank on Scott's site) Beware though, caps come in all shapes and sizes - some will not fit the space available. As Tom previously mentioned, there are some caps that are hard to come by so I would acquire the parts before starting - if this is an option. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Jul 12 23:15:30 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:15:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Tom, I'm located in central Ohio and could scan them for the Nak Archives. If send media mail from TN to OH, shouldn't be much expense. If you can give me a weight, I'll find out the exact cost. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Again NakTalkers, I have a duplicate set of ALL manuals available for scanning. I do not have a scanner or the time to scan this massive archive. I think overseas shipping will be expensive, but it may be the only solution. In my previous call for volunteers I received one lukewarm response. The soultion might be to raise a bit of money to defray shipping. The manuals cost me nothing, so that is not an issue. I estimate it might take $60 to send to Europe, more to Asia. If we choose not to scan the non-cassette and related manuals, we could lower the shipping costs and burdens on the scanner. There is however and opportunity to have an entire Nakamichi archive in one place. p.s. I do not have 1000, 700 manuals, only the -II versions. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Wouter, Many Thanks, it's a shame the scan is so poor as you highlighted. If anyone has a better copy I would be very grateful and a copy of the 700 ZXL Service Manual. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11.17am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXE & ZXL Hi Ben, The 700ZXE SM is on the wiki pages: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents One issue is that it has badly scanned schematics, so if those are not so important for you... This is also a call to all those 'leechers' to scan the 700ZXL service manual or any other manual/documentation listed but not downloadable yet so it can be added. Downloading is so easy, but realize people spend a lot of time scanning these manuals and it would be nice to share the pain and scan something not downloadable in return. 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URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Thu Jul 12 22:55:03 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:55:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ Message-ID: Greetings to all: After five weeks of non use, I turned on my ZX-9 and was not successfull in getting it to calibrate. When engaging the azimuth switch to adjust azimuth, nothing happens. The rec mute remains lit and neither level or bias is possible. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? Previously I have never had a problem. If its a big problem then it will be off somewhere to be repaired. All other functions appear normal and this includes playback. Thanks boogie _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail.� It�s fast, simple, and safer than ever and best of all � it�s still free. Try it today! www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 12 23:25:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:25:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> <469630BD.5010509@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46969C42.7070601@rcn.com> Bernard Pradie wrote: > Thanks Ron, > > I'm not specialist, I speak under control of other readers. > I read orange caps are about 50 in a 1000ZXL, and 20 in a 480. I have an old list for my specific CR-7 and it says 38. Could be a different number in a different production batch of CR-7s. > But my question was the number only in bias circuit ? > This number may be more limited. > I presume round 4 to 8 ??? That's a reasonable number. Probably closer to 4 than to 8. > This seems a replacement more reduced and statistically effective. But why replace at all if the caps are good? > I guess in term of preventive service it can be only question of statistics. Yea, but it could take another 5 or 10 years until any cap fails, but you will bear the expense/hassle now. You don't know what else can happen to the deck in the future. Why worry about a cap right now? Last time Halley's comet came around, some people, expecting the end of the world, committed suicide (in preparation for their death, I presume). This business of preparing for the future can be carried a bit too far, no? Two or three year ago I had the same idea and ordered complete replacements for all caps (not just orange caps) in the signal path of my my CR-7. I didn't actually replace any cap, just wanted to have them on hand to reduce down time in case any cap failed. You know what? Not one cap failed since then and meanwhile, my use of the deck has gone down to 20% of what it used to be. Turns out it was foolish to waste the time and money for the caps... As always, YMMV. -- Ron > You speaks about stress in bias circuit, does it also due to higher voltage > (I reed 100 V for Bias circuit, 50 V others parts ?) Yes. -- Ron > > Thanks and regards > > Bernard > > > Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > >> The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak >> products until the early 90s. Some models used quite >> a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years >> of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or >> becoming open. Failures occur especially in high >> stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the >> bias oscillator. >> >> When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in >> the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates >> from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the >> probability of further failures is comparatively high. >> >> I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing >> all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the >> number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, >> cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these >> caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job >> could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits >> will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional >> expense of roughly $100. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bernard Pradie wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? >>> bias circuit, and ... ? >>> >>> How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) >>> >>> How long working time to change for a professional service ? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: >>>> >>>> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas >>>> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I >>>> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted >>>> (failures that indicate multiple component >>>> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ >>>> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck >>>> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I >>>> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the >>>> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach >>>> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator >>>> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely >>>> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm >>>> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. >>>> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. >>>> Jeff W From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 20:50:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <000c01c7c4a6$6e1147f0$a900a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <395077.89138.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bingo Shaun. You certified Balas point of musical perception! Ram Shaun Montgomery wrote: Message If anybody wants to remind themselves of what out of hearing range high frequencies sound like, try to find somewhere where there are bats about. I am 63 and my hearing is quite dulled now. Put me near bats and I can feel it like a knife cutting into my brain; it almost hurts, yet I can hear nothing. The same thing goes for sub 20hz low frequencies. Go to a large church or concert hall where they have a very large pipe organ. When those bottom half octave pedals play through their 32' or, better still, 64' pipes, the earth moves beneath you. When you have felt 16 hz it is almost scary. It is an added dimension to the enjoyment of musical reproduction. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: 12 July 2007 15:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cap replacement Bala is dead-on correct about perceiving frequencies beyond 20kHz. I was searching for the groundbreaking Absolute Sound study (yes, science) that measured lp recorded transients up to 36kHz. 36kHz on vinyl folks. That info move moving coil designers to flatten their resonance peaks, users to use 47k ohm input loading, and all manufacturers consider what happens to these transients in the signal path. Oh yes, they experimented with real people feeding filtered and raw sound, and the test revealed the humans can hear these transients, or at least identify when they are filtered out. My feeling is transient hearing is a bone conduction type of hearing. Try plugging your ears and put your head on something solid. What you hear is bone conducted sound. I have a stupid question. Wouldn't the 700ZXL match the 1000ZXL in playback quality. Wouldn't a 700ZXL properly aligned for a tape give the same flat response as a 1000ZXL? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 08:05:50 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <632350.86678.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've seen a picture of that bike before. I may be wrong, but could it be Shimano? They were really popular during the 80s specializing in racing bikes and were a prominent manufacturer. I wouldn't be suprised if Nak got it both being Jap manufacturers. Bala Willy Hermann wrote: 0 DocumentEmail I actually have my Nak bike which I won in the contest. Sorry you were an independent servicer, Tom. Retailers got lots of perks back then. I think it was ’88 or ’89, but I don’t have a clue who made it for Nak. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 04:10:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070713021013.2001.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Boogie, Zx9 IMHO is a great deck that seldom goes awry. 1. Make sure the tape type and eq is correctly selected. 2. Make sure the mode is in tape position. 3. Make sure the noise reduction is off while you calibrate. 4. Use only a quality tape on a deck this good. Ideally it should work right... and of course check the door closure too and m,ake sure your timer is in the off and mpx etc..is off. Good luck. Ram boogie man wrote: Greetings to all: After five weeks of non use, I turned on my ZX-9 and was not successfull in getting it to calibrate. When engaging the azimuth switch to adjust azimuth, nothing happens. The rec mute remains lit and neither level or bias is possible. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? Previously I have never had a problem. If its a big problem then it will be off somewhere to be repaired. All other functions appear normal and this includes playback. Thanks boogie _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail. 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URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Jul 13 13:33:40 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:33:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F324@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Tom, The bike is black with a hint on gold metallic with a gold Nakamichi logo on it. [http://i10.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/a1/35/5138_0.JPG][http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a1/d8/f3ad_0.JPG] Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 ------------- __O ----------- _\<, ---------- (_)/(_) ________________________________ From: hitech at bellsouth.net [mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5138_0.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2787 bytes Desc: 5138_0.JPG URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 3.36pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form! storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. 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URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Jul 13 13:39:30 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:39:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110707120926g33fea5lb87ee175977f7960@mail.gmail.com> References: <8C992A9C35A46F0-111C-AD74@webmail-mf01.sysops.aol.com> <6bddc1110707120926g33fea5lb87ee175977f7960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F327@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Tim, They dumbed down the wheels also! They are 5 pounds each. Altogether the bike weighs close to 50 pounds! Other bikes from that era are about 25 lbs. Doug ________________________________ From: Tim Skorick [mailto:tim.skorick at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Those would have been the newer IEC 1981 standard bikes, they dumbed down the gearing to match other bicycles manufacturers inferior gears, it was sad. -Tim On 7/12/07, benstratford at aol.com > wrote: Very intreaguing. Where would you insert the tape? Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 3.36pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches f! orm! storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. 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Doug ________________________________ From: Benstratford at aol.com [mailto:Benstratford at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Do these bikes use orange caps? Ben (Sorry) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Jul 13 13:53:06 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:53:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <632350.86678.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <632350.86678.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F32B@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Bala, I'm still doing cleanup and restoration on it but I'm thinking maybe Fuji or Panasonic were the manufacturers. I had a Schwinn Le Tour which was made by Panasonic and the frame was very similar. The shifters and derailleurs are lower grade Sun Tour, the brakes are Shimano, and other assorted Japanese components. Doug om: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests I've seen a picture of that bike before. I may be wrong, but could it be Shimano? They were really popular during the 80s specializing in racing bikes and were a prominent manufacturer. I wouldn't be suprised if Nak got it both being Jap manufacturers. Bala Willy Hermann wrote: I actually have my Nak bike which I won in the contest. Sorry you were an independent servicer, Tom. Retailers got lots of perks back then. I think it was '88 or '89, but I don't have a clue who made it for Nak. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hello, I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. Thanks, Doug HiFi Hospital ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 13 14:14:56 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:14:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: <46969C42.7070601@rcn.com> References: <4j7a931v8tc4ki93koflv5pgs68giisk0n@4ax.com> <469630BD.5010509@rcn.com> <46969C42.7070601@rcn.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron and Ben, My opinion is not fixed so your point of view give me elements to decide. Currently I'm more inclined to change orange cap in bias circuit only. You must know some of my conditions. I'm not enough skilled and equipped to do this plus the necessary post alignment. So I have to send to a service not near. I will have for 100 euros of transport. Seems I have to do an alignment anyway. Other element : - orange caps are reported to fail in ALL naks models - they are reported to fail around about 25 years, my Dragon is 1985 - this failure seems to be due to age, so with the years chance to fail growth - most frequent location of failure is in bias circuit. Sure it was better to have more precise stats on this failure to be able to say I have NN% chance an orange cap will fail in next 3 years. But service cost and transport too, so I prefer to limit the chance to have to return to service in the next 3 years even more. Other part I limit the work (cost) in doing change in bias circuit only. May be 1 hour of job rather 6 to 8. If I know the exact ratio of orange fail in bias circuit rather in other part, I may advice differently. But we can have only fuzzy data. Regards. Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:25:22 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > Bernard Pradie wrote: > > Thanks Ron, > > > > I'm not specialist, I speak under control of other readers. > > I read orange caps are about 50 in a 1000ZXL, and 20 in a 480. > > I have an old list for my specific CR-7 and it says 38. > Could be a different number in a different production > batch of CR-7s. > > > But my question was the number only in bias circuit ? > > This number may be more limited. > > I presume round 4 to 8 ??? > > That's a reasonable number. Probably closer to 4 than to > 8. > > > This seems a replacement more reduced and statistically effective. > > But why replace at all if the caps are good? > > > I guess in term of preventive service it can be only question of statistics. > > Yea, but it could take another 5 or 10 years until any cap > fails, but you will bear the expense/hassle now. You don't > know what else can happen to the deck in the future. Why > worry about a cap right now? > > Last time Halley's comet came around, some people, expecting > the end of the world, committed suicide (in preparation for > their death, I presume). This business of preparing for the > future can be carried a bit too far, no? > > Two or three year ago I had the same idea and ordered complete > replacements for all caps (not just orange caps) in the signal > path of my my CR-7. I didn't actually replace any cap, just > wanted to have them on hand to reduce down time in case any > cap failed. > > You know what? Not one cap failed since then and meanwhile, > my use of the deck has gone down to 20% of what it used to > be. Turns out it was foolish to waste the time and money for > the caps... > > As always, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > You speaks about stress in bias circuit, does it also due to higher voltage > > (I reed 100 V for Bias circuit, 50 V others parts ?) > > Yes. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Bernard > > > > > > Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > > > >> The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak > >> products until the early 90s. Some models used quite > >> a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years > >> of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or > >> becoming open. Failures occur especially in high > >> stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the > >> bias oscillator. > >> > >> When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in > >> the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates > >> from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the > >> probability of further failures is comparatively high. > >> > >> I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing > >> all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the > >> number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, > >> cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these > >> caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job > >> could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits > >> will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional > >> expense of roughly $100. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> Bernard Pradie wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> > >>> What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? > >>> bias circuit, and ... ? > >>> > >>> How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) > >>> > >>> How long working time to change for a professional service ? > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > >>>> > >>>> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas > >>>> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I > >>>> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted > >>>> (failures that indicate multiple component > >>>> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ > >>>> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck > >>>> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I > >>>> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the > >>>> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach > >>>> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator > >>>> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely > >>>> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm > >>>> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. > >>>> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. > >>>> Jeff W > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 14:52:05 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:52:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Message-ID: <071320071252.7693.46977575000857CC00001E0D22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I saw that bike when it was on eBay. I watched the auction closely. The bike was a gloss black 10-speed, with a gold Nakamichi logo on the top crossbar. VERY good looking bike, I must say! I thought the winning bidder got a great deal, especially considering the rarity of that bike. ENJOY! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 15:01:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:01:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Message-ID: <071320071301.5871.469777A50006CF48000016EF22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> The Nakamichi bicycle....truly a CLASSIC TRANSPORT. Sorry...I just had to add my contribution to the Nak bike jokes! *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 13 17:18:16 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:18:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dragon orange cap mandatory change list: NAAC azumuth board. C859,860 0.015 uF C823,828 0.056 uF bias oscillator is monolithic with no external caps. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard Pradie Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement Thanks Ron and Ben, My opinion is not fixed so your point of view give me elements to decide. Currently I'm more inclined to change orange cap in bias circuit only. You must know some of my conditions. I'm not enough skilled and equipped to do this plus the necessary post alignment. So I have to send to a service not near. I will have for 100 euros of transport. Seems I have to do an alignment anyway. Other element : - orange caps are reported to fail in ALL naks models - they are reported to fail around about 25 years, my Dragon is 1985 - this failure seems to be due to age, so with the years chance to fail growth - most frequent location of failure is in bias circuit. Sure it was better to have more precise stats on this failure to be able to say I have NN% chance an orange cap will fail in next 3 years. But service cost and transport too, so I prefer to limit the chance to have to return to service in the next 3 years even more. Other part I limit the work (cost) in doing change in bias circuit only. May be 1 hour of job rather 6 to 8. If I know the exact ratio of orange fail in bias circuit rather in other part, I may advice differently. But we can have only fuzzy data. Regards. Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:25:22 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > Bernard Pradie wrote: > > Thanks Ron, > > > > I'm not specialist, I speak under control of other readers. > > I read orange caps are about 50 in a 1000ZXL, and 20 in a 480. > > I have an old list for my specific CR-7 and it says 38. > Could be a different number in a different production > batch of CR-7s. > > > But my question was the number only in bias circuit ? > > This number may be more limited. > > I presume round 4 to 8 ??? > > That's a reasonable number. Probably closer to 4 than to > 8. > > > This seems a replacement more reduced and statistically effective. > > But why replace at all if the caps are good? > > > I guess in term of preventive service it can be only question of statistics. > > Yea, but it could take another 5 or 10 years until any cap > fails, but you will bear the expense/hassle now. You don't > know what else can happen to the deck in the future. Why > worry about a cap right now? > > Last time Halley's comet came around, some people, expecting > the end of the world, committed suicide (in preparation for > their death, I presume). This business of preparing for the > future can be carried a bit too far, no? > > Two or three year ago I had the same idea and ordered complete > replacements for all caps (not just orange caps) in the signal > path of my my CR-7. I didn't actually replace any cap, just > wanted to have them on hand to reduce down time in case any > cap failed. > > You know what? Not one cap failed since then and meanwhile, > my use of the deck has gone down to 20% of what it used to > be. Turns out it was foolish to waste the time and money for > the caps... > > As always, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > You speaks about stress in bias circuit, does it also due to higher voltage > > (I reed 100 V for Bias circuit, 50 V others parts ?) > > Yes. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Bernard > > > > > > Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > > > >> The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak > >> products until the early 90s. Some models used quite > >> a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years > >> of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or > >> becoming open. Failures occur especially in high > >> stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the > >> bias oscillator. > >> > >> When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in > >> the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates > >> from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the > >> probability of further failures is comparatively high. > >> > >> I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing > >> all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the > >> number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, > >> cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these > >> caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job > >> could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits > >> will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional > >> expense of roughly $100. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> Bernard Pradie wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> > >>> What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? > >>> bias circuit, and ... ? > >>> > >>> How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) > >>> > >>> How long working time to change for a professional service ? > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > >>>> > >>>> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas > >>>> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I > >>>> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted > >>>> (failures that indicate multiple component > >>>> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ > >>>> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck > >>>> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground up. I > >>>> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few more in the > >>>> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" approach > >>>> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias oscillator > >>>> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all know is likely > >>>> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the years, I'm > >>>> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. > >>>> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. > >>>> Jeff W > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marc at stager.com Fri Jul 13 18:26:34 2007 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:26:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency response and distortion In-Reply-To: <200707131003.l6DA1aA3020810@zxe.naks.com> References: <200707131003.l6DA1aA3020810@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20070713114524.033bc408@stager.com> Ron wrote: > > There is zero (I mean, Z-E-R-O) musical information in > > the 10Hz - 20Hz range, in 99% of recordings. The only > > recordings of interest would be those of pipe organs > > (hardly a very popular instrument) and some hard rock. Not zero. Not much but not zero, and that small amount makes a big difference in the fidelity of many instruments. Any recording with a decent drum sound will have substantial musical information above 10kHz, and the timbre of brass and string instruments will be degraded by a falloff in the upper frequencies. One reason that I prefer analog to digital recordings is that the upper partials are rendered more naturally, free from grain. A well-recorded cassette done on a high quality, properly aligned deck preserves that information. It need not be much higher than 15 KHz, but at least that much is necessary. > > DVDs contain under 30Hz information in very few action > > movies -- hardly what people record onto cassettes. True, but cassettes have no problem with low frequencies. What your speakers can do is another matter. > > ... Frequency response is just one audible spec. Distortion > > and transient response are far more important to listening enjoyment. Absolutely! Frequency response, as long as it is flat to about 15 kHz, is relatively unimportant. Cassettes have trouble handling high levels of signal without saturating and running into severe distortion due to the very small amount of magnetic media passing the heads. Underbiasing in order to extend the HF response results in much higher distortion and a much lower dynamic range. I prefer to slightly OVERbias, giving less than maximum HF extension but a far better sounding tape, with lower noise and a greater dynamic range and a still perfectly acceptable frequency response. So it won't go to 20K. So what? > > I seriously doubt that listening tests will reveal the > > importance of the slight advantage in the 10Hz - 20Hz > > frequency range. A simple in-out comparison using white noise or noise from your FM tuner between stations will clearly reveal differences above 10K. Much more subtle with music, but if the noise sounds right, (same in and out recorded at - 10 dB) the music should be spot-on, the tape sounding exactly the same as the source. With or without Dolby B on. (Maybe C, but it's is a bit unpredictable). Again - this is all predicated on having a properly aligned and adjusted machine using high quality type 2 or 4 media. In short, bias for low distortion first, freq. response second, make an audible judgement using broadband noise, and your cassettes will sound fine. You should have a decent alignment cassette. An inexpensive pink noise generator is a big help. Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://marc.stager.com/ From jberger at well.com Fri Jul 13 19:17:44 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bikes & Vinyl Message-ID: I think that the Nakamichi bikes were actually made by Panasonic. (Yes, they did manufacture bikes, especially on an OEM basis). My Schwinn Super Le Tour was made by them in the late '70's, and it's a fine bike; light, and well geared. Shimano made many of the components, so you'll probably see their name on them as well. As for high frequencies on vinyl, there was the mid-70's quad format CD-4, which multiplexed the two rear channels onto the 20-40 kHz range (similar to stereo FM). You had to have a CD-4 capable stylus capable of resolving it, and a decoder to bring it back to four channels. As some have noted, though, the highs are the first to go after a few rounds of playback; one of many reasons that quad failed until it came back as surround sound for video. From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 13 21:32:45 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:32:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tom ! Any other orange caps known to fail most frequently in Dragon ? regards. Le Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:18:16 -0500, vous avez ecrit: > Dragon orange cap mandatory change list: > NAAC azumuth board. > C859,860 0.015 uF > C823,828 0.056 uF > bias oscillator is monolithic with no external caps. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Bernard Pradie > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:15 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Cap replacement > > > Thanks Ron and Ben, > > My opinion is not fixed so your point of view give me elements to decide. > > Currently I'm more inclined to change orange cap in bias circuit only. > > You must know some of my conditions. > > I'm not enough skilled and equipped to do this plus the necessary post > alignment. So I have to send to a service not near. I will have for 100 > euros > of transport. Seems I have to do an alignment anyway. > > Other element : > - orange caps are reported to fail in ALL naks models > - they are reported to fail around about 25 years, my Dragon is 1985 > - this failure seems to be due to age, so with the years chance to fail > growth > - most frequent location of failure is in bias circuit. > > Sure it was better to have more precise stats on this failure to be able to > say > I have NN% chance an orange cap will fail in next 3 years. > > But service cost and transport too, so I prefer to limit the chance to have > to > return to service in the next 3 years even more. > > Other part I limit the work (cost) in doing change in bias circuit only. > May be 1 hour of job rather 6 to 8. > > If I know the exact ratio of orange fail in bias circuit rather in other > part, > I may advice differently. But we can have only fuzzy data. > > Regards. > > Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:25:22 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > > > Bernard Pradie wrote: > > > Thanks Ron, > > > > > > I'm not specialist, I speak under control of other readers. > > > I read orange caps are about 50 in a 1000ZXL, and 20 in a 480. > > > > I have an old list for my specific CR-7 and it says 38. > > Could be a different number in a different production > > batch of CR-7s. > > > > > But my question was the number only in bias circuit ? > > > This number may be more limited. > > > I presume round 4 to 8 ??? > > > > That's a reasonable number. Probably closer to 4 than to > > 8. > > > > > This seems a replacement more reduced and statistically effective. > > > > But why replace at all if the caps are good? > > > > > I guess in term of preventive service it can be only question of > statistics. > > > > Yea, but it could take another 5 or 10 years until any cap > > fails, but you will bear the expense/hassle now. You don't > > know what else can happen to the deck in the future. Why > > worry about a cap right now? > > > > Last time Halley's comet came around, some people, expecting > > the end of the world, committed suicide (in preparation for > > their death, I presume). This business of preparing for the > > future can be carried a bit too far, no? > > > > Two or three year ago I had the same idea and ordered complete > > replacements for all caps (not just orange caps) in the signal > > path of my my CR-7. I didn't actually replace any cap, just > > wanted to have them on hand to reduce down time in case any > > cap failed. > > > > You know what? Not one cap failed since then and meanwhile, > > my use of the deck has gone down to 20% of what it used to > > be. Turns out it was foolish to waste the time and money for > > the caps... > > > > As always, YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > You speaks about stress in bias circuit, does it also due to higher > voltage > > > (I reed 100 V for Bias circuit, 50 V others parts ?) > > > > Yes. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > > Bernard > > > > > > > > > Le Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:46:37 -0400, vous avez ecrit: > > > > > >> The orange caps are PP caps, ubiquitous in Nak > > >> products until the early 90s. Some models used quite > > >> a few of these. They seem to fail after about 25 years > > >> of service. Failure mode is usually loss of value or > > >> becoming open. Failures occur especially in high > > >> stress circuits, such as -- but not limited to -- the > > >> bias oscillator. > > >> > > >> When an orange cap fails, replacing all orange caps in > > >> the deck may be reasonable, especially if the deck dates > > >> from the very early 80s. That's because at this age, the > > >> probability of further failures is comparatively high. > > >> > > >> I don't know how much will a tech charge for replacing > > >> all orange caps in a deck. Depends on the model and the > > >> number of these caps in the specific deck. In some decks, > > >> cost is probably fairly high, if there are many of these > > >> caps. (Looking at my own CR-7, I would estimate the job > > >> could take 5 or 6 hours.) Replacing caps in some circuits > > >> will require re-alignment of the deck -- an additional > > >> expense of roughly $100. > > >> > > >> -- Ron > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Bernard Pradie wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> What are exactly orange caps "known-to-fail" ? > > >>> bias circuit, and ... ? > > >>> > > >>> How more are there in a Nak ? (great difference with models ?) > > >>> > > >>> How long working time to change for a professional service ? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks. > > >>> > > >>> Le Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:49:16 EDT, vous avez ecrit: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > >>>> kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > > >>>> > > >>>> OK, while not the expert, I'll weigh in as the "swing vote." Whereas > > >>>> I'm not against en-masse replacement, I > > >>>> only like to use it in cases where it seems reasonably warranted > > >>>> (failures that indicate multiple component > > >>>> failures, problems for which diagnosis is difficult due to timing/ > > >>>> tool constraings, really in the process of rebuilding the deck > > >>>> from the ground up, e.g. the ESL approach, or something like that). > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Just for the record, ESL does not re-build the deck from the ground > up. I > > >>>> think they replaced 7 caps in the rebuild of my BX-300 and a few > more in the > > >>>> rebuild of my ZX-7. They go for the "replace known-to-fail parts" > approach > > >>>> and not total replacement. I would assume this means the bias > oscillator > > >>>> cicuit caps in the classic transport decks, etc - the stuff we all > know is likely > > >>>> to go bad. Due to the volume of decks they have serviced over the > years, I'm > > >>>> quite sure they know which parts are likely to go on which model. > > >>>> Experience counts. They sure were slow with my decks, though. > > >>>> Jeff W > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Sat Jul 14 04:04:11 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:04:11 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Message-ID: <6574682.1184378651617.JavaMail.root@sf1433> This is a real case of Nak getting it wrong eh. That is a horrible bike, but I suppose it was built like a tank just like a Nak 1000, but certainly without the quality. Donald ---- Doug Guth wrote: > Hi Tom, > The bike is black with a hint on gold metallic with a gold Nakamichi logo on it. > [http://i10.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/a1/35/5138_0.JPG][http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a1/d8/f3ad_0.JPG] > > > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > ------------- __O > ----------- _\<, > ---------- (_)/(_) > > ________________________________ > From: hitech at bellsouth.net [mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:36 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests > > Golly, I missed all that. We were an independent servicer (no retail sales) and all we got were the beautiful series of Christmas cards. Is the bike balck and red? > > tom > > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Doug Guth > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests > > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive with some highly technical questions about things like the relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled and cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital From BGallenbeck at uswest.net Sat Jul 14 14:10:48 2007 From: BGallenbeck at uswest.net (Bernie Gallenbeck) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:10:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 Message-ID: I read an article the other day talking about the nak CR74. They stated that this was a better deck than the dragon. I have not heard of it. Does anybody have any experience with it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 14 14:55:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:55:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency response and distortion In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070713114524.033bc408@stager.com> References: <200707131003.l6DA1aA3020810@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070713114524.033bc408@stager.com> Message-ID: <4698C7BB.2010106@rcn.com> Marc Stager wrote: > Ron wrote: >> > There is zero (I mean, Z-E-R-O) musical information in >> > the 10Hz - 20Hz range, in 99% of recordings. The only >> > recordings of interest would be those of pipe organs >> > (hardly a very popular instrument) and some hard rock. > > Not zero. Not much but not zero, and that small amount makes > a big difference in the fidelity of many instruments. Any recording > with a decent drum sound will have substantial musical information > above 10kH... Certainly. But I was talking about the 10Hz (not KHZ) to 20Hz range. > and the timbre of brass and string instruments will be > degraded by a falloff in the upper frequencies. > > One reason that I prefer analog to digital recordings is that the upper > partials are rendered more naturally, free from grain. A well-recorded > cassette done on a high quality, properly aligned deck preserves that > information. It need not be much higher than 15 KHz, but at least that > much is necessary. True. But the original poster claimed a huge advantage of an upper limit of 25KHz vs. 21KHz, (both +/-3db). > >> > DVDs contain under 30Hz information in very few action >> > movies -- hardly what people record onto cassettes. > > True, but cassettes have no problem with low frequencies. > What your speakers can do is another matter. > >> > ... Frequency response is just one audible spec. Distortion >> > and transient response are far more important to listening enjoyment. > > Absolutely! > Frequency response, as long as it is flat to about 15 kHz, is > relatively unimportant. This was my point. > Cassettes have trouble handling high levels > of signal without saturating and running into severe distortion due > to the very small amount of magnetic media passing the heads. > Underbiasing in order to extend the HF response results in > much higher distortion and a much lower dynamic range. > I prefer to slightly OVERbias, giving less than maximum HF > extension but a far better sounding tape, with lower noise > and a greater dynamic range and a still perfectly acceptable > frequency response. So it won't go to 20K. So what? > >> > I seriously doubt that listening tests will reveal the >> > importance of the slight advantage in the 10Hz - 20Hz >> > frequency range. > > A simple in-out comparison using white noise... Again, this is Hz, not KHz. -- Ron > ... or noise from your > FM tuner between stations will clearly reveal differences above 10K. > Much more subtle with music, but if the noise sounds right, > (same in and out recorded at - 10 dB) the music should be spot-on, > the tape sounding exactly the same as the source. With or without > Dolby B on. (Maybe C, but it's is a bit unpredictable). > > Again - this is all predicated on having a properly aligned and > adjusted machine using high quality type 2 or 4 media. > > In short, bias for low distortion first, freq. response second, make > an audible judgement using broadband noise, and your cassettes > will sound fine. You should have a decent alignment cassette. > An inexpensive pink noise generator is a big help. > > Marc Stager > ) ) ) ) ) ) > Stager Sound Systems, > New York City > http://marc.stager.com/ From danzone7 at aol.com Sat Jul 14 16:57:14 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:57:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c7c627$44b8e2a0$0307a8c0@DR1> Bernie, I believe that they were referring to the CR-7A, not CR-74. Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 I read an article the other day talking about the nak CR74. They stated that this was a better deck than the dragon. I have not heard of it. Does anybody have any experience with it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Sat Jul 14 18:00:54 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (kmashlan) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:00:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c7c630$2873b530$800101df@rbdell2> It is probably a CR7, (not CR74) that they are referring to. It is considered one of the top naks. Personally I haven't heard one, but with the amount of traffic lately about the best nak (1000zxl, dragon, CR7, ZX9 or 682) with every man and his dog throwing in their opinions, then it must be good. As I understand, it has better parts availability which some see as a big plus for that model. Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: July 14, 2007 5:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 I read an article the other day talking about the nak CR74. They stated that this was a better deck than the dragon. I have not heard of it. 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Does anybody have any experience with it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 14 19:17:18 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 In-Reply-To: <000601c7c630$2873b530$800101df@rbdell2> Message-ID: <53845.74887.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Ken, Its the CR7A( USA only version). Hence the suffix A. Its a superb deck in its own right as you say. Its best suited for tapes recorded on other machines, because you can manually adjust the azimuth of the playback head to suit your individual taste. This is one of the later decks and Nakamichi did make it sound very close to CDs. It has its unique signature lovely sound. This ones a keeper. The CR7 is very reliable and well built too. Regards, Ram kmashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} It is probably a CR7, (not CR74) that they are referring to. It is considered one of the top naks. Personally I haven’t heard one, but with the amount of traffic lately about the best nak (1000zxl, dragon, CR7, ZX9 or 682) with every man and his dog throwing in their opinions, then it must be good. As I understand, it has better parts availability which some see as a big plus for that model. Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: July 14, 2007 5:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 I read an article the other day talking about the nak CR74. They stated that this was a better deck than the dragon. I have not heard of it. Does anybody have any experience with it? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Sun Jul 15 02:21:40 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:21:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bikes & Vinyl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54DFF395@mail.mmsav.com> Hi John, Panasonic is what I'm thinking also. The frame itself is pretty light it's the wheels and other components that add the pork. The great outcome of the CD4 "experiment" was that cartridge manufactures had to design stylus that would play 40kHz without wiping it off the groves. Cartridges made a huge leap in fidelity and record preservation. It's just wonderful to clean up a used record and play it back with a line contact stylus and pick up the fresh portion of the groove wall! I've had fun for years with music friends by playing some black vinyl arter an evening of CD listening. Their jaws drop and they usually say it sounds so real! It was fun working at a High End store in the 70s and 80s. My job in Commercial AV now is "just a job". Doug ________________________________________ From: John Berger [jberger at well.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bikes & Vinyl I think that the Nakamichi bikes were actually made by Panasonic. (Yes, they did manufacture bikes, especially on an OEM basis). My Schwinn Super Le Tour was made by them in the late '70's, and it's a fine bike; light, and well geared. Shimano made many of the components, so you'll probably see their name on them as well. As for high frequencies on vinyl, there was the mid-70's quad format CD-4, which multiplexed the two rear channels onto the 20-40 kHz range (similar to stereo FM). You had to have a CD-4 capable stylus capable of resolving it, and a decoder to bring it back to four channels. As some have noted, though, the highs are the first to go after a few rounds of playback; one of many reasons that quad failed until it came back as surround sound for video. From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 22:36:14 2007 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:36:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Hi everyone Been following this forum quite some time but didn't post much. Today I just got a Dragon which is very likely used, mechanically & cosmetically looks very clean. Everything works (I think) except that when I pressed STOP during play or when changing direction ,there's a screeching sound from the transport. I believe this is a common problem due to some lubricating issues. I've read the solution here in the forum before but forgotten which thread was that. Another issue is that I could not adjust the bias level sufficiently to 0db for all 3 tape types but 400hz level works just fine. Much appreciate if gurus here could advise on what to check.(I do have a ZX7 which works perfectly & also a 680ZX that can only play but records with distortion; & I've changed all orange caps for both units) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 15 12:54:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bikes & Vinyl In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54DFF395@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <257736.144.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, The only mainstream manufacturer to hit these shores was Shimano, they eventually set up a factory to do their gear changing components and fishing rods here. It would be a delight to test out the Panasonic bikes. These days, the generator design, cantilever materials and construction techniques have made possible designs that a generations ago were a dream. The line contact stylus is simply addictive as it reaches areas of the groove untouched. It must have been really fun with all those amazing equipment coming out at those times. Today, the coolest thing to do would be a computer game programmer or a game whiz. But I could never imagine my kid picking up a XBOX 25 years from now and being able to fire it up :D Bala Doug Guth wrote: Hi John, Panasonic is what I'm thinking also. The frame itself is pretty light it's the wheels and other components that add the pork. The great outcome of the CD4 "experiment" was that cartridge manufactures had to design stylus that would play 40kHz without wiping it off the groves. Cartridges made a huge leap in fidelity and record preservation. It's just wonderful to clean up a used record and play it back with a line contact stylus and pick up the fresh portion of the groove wall! I've had fun for years with music friends by playing some black vinyl arter an evening of CD listening. Their jaws drop and they usually say it sounds so real! It was fun working at a High End store in the 70s and 80s. My job in Commercial AV now is "just a job". Doug ________________________________________ From: John Berger [jberger at well.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bikes & Vinyl I think that the Nakamichi bikes were actually made by Panasonic. (Yes, they did manufacture bikes, especially on an OEM basis). My Schwinn Super Le Tour was made by them in the late '70's, and it's a fine bike; light, and well geared. Shimano made many of the components, so you'll probably see their name on them as well. As for high frequencies on vinyl, there was the mid-70's quad format CD-4, which multiplexed the two rear channels onto the 20-40 kHz range (similar to stereo FM). You had to have a CD-4 capable stylus capable of resolving it, and a decoder to bring it back to four channels. As some have noted, though, the highs are the first to go after a few rounds of playback; one of many reasons that quad failed until it came back as surround sound for video. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 11:17:46 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:17:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Hello! Congratulations....yes...such "Screeching" noise is because the grease is dry & maybe...as happen with mine your "Cams" belt need to me changed is "Elongated". I'm NOT so sure...but with my unit really helps...move ALL "SIX KNOBS"...at least 20 TIMES forward & back...to "Self-Clean" them...after so try to turn them as near of "THE MIDDLE" position...press to "Source' your first right push button & look at the "Level" bars....once when you push "Level" & secondly after "Bias"...notice how "High" goes such red bars...after so...press again to "Tape"...the once pressed "Source" push button...load an a good brand cassette. whatever you want to use EX (Normal) SX (Chrome) & ZX (Metal)...now first press "Level" record your selected type cassette after pressing the same type on the Dragon's front (A red Lid)...will turn ON so will shoe you which knobs to move...try to get as close as possible after at least waiting a 10 seconds so the tape will be apart of the leader...& for sure the bars will be "Plus" - Minus" NOT moving up & down erratically...after that your level is "Stabilized" again depends on the quality of the "TAPE...inside the cassette housing...press "Bias"...wait till the NAAC stay RED ON stable...move the two knobs slowly & very patiently...till show you the same level that was during "SOURCE" position (BTW...Level exactly the same...of course...I hope that you comprehend this issue?!),...I return back to "Level" > "Bias" at least 3 times till I'm satisfied with the calibration. All this time the Dragon deck is "RECORDING" the signals among "Level & Bias". When I'm satisfied...I push the "Centrally" top button among "Level & Bias"...to end the calibration procedure...the tape stops & is automatically rewind back to the begining!. Trusting that my explanation is seriously comprehended well?! Good luck & inform us your results? Peace,ALEX! From: lkk3110 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:36:14 -0700Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Hi everyone Been following this forum quite some time but didn't post much. Today I just got a Dragon which is very likely used, mechanically & cosmetically looks very clean. Everything works (I think) except that when I pressed STOP during play or when changing direction ,there's a screeching sound from the transport. I believe this is a common problem due to some lubricating issues. I've read the solution here in the forum before but forgotten which thread was that. Another issue is that I could not adjust the bias level sufficiently to 0db for all 3 tape types but 400hz level works just fine. Much appreciate if gurus here could advise on what to check.(I do have a ZX7 which works perfectly & also a 680ZX that can only play but records with distortion; & I've changed all orange caps for both units) _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! Find it! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Jul 15 13:30:40 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:30:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <469A0560.1000809@xs4all.nl> Hi Doug, I'm intrigued by these questions... could be nice for the (new) website to test people's knowledge! If you remember any questions (and the answers) then please write them down and send them to me. Wouter Doug Guth wrote: > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. > Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff > called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive > with some highly technical questions about things like the > relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency > response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several > "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores > on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist > watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought > one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does > anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the > bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the > bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had > multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled > and cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 15 14:03:15 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <469A0560.1000809@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <729873.84389.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Any prizes? ;) A Naks.com t-shirt would be nice! Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Doug, I'm intrigued by these questions... could be nice for the (new) website to test people's knowledge! If you remember any questions (and the answers) then please write them down and send them to me. Wouter Doug Guth wrote: > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. > Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff > called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive > with some highly technical questions about things like the > relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency > response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several > "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores > on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist > watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought > one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does > anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the > bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the > bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had > multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled > and cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BGallenbeck at uswest.net Sun Jul 15 14:40:26 2007 From: BGallenbeck at uswest.net (Bernie Gallenbeck) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:40:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CD3BA397B694F6BA023730DADC67883@BernardPC> Thanks. Are the chrome tapes readily available for these machines? ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 I think that was a misprint. The CR74 is probably the CR7A, which is the CR7 made for the USA market. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: 14 July 2007 13:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 I read an article the other day talking about the nak CR74. They stated that this was a better deck than the dragon. I have not heard of it. Does anybody have any experience with it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 07:01:54 2007 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:01:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Thks Alex I did try to grease the cam but not sure if I greased the right 'spo't on the cam, still screeches tho. Will try to change the cam belt later. I think can live with the noise for now as only happens when changes operation. Did try to turn those bias knobs 20 maybe thirty times but no luck. In fact I sprayed some contact cleaners on them when I sprayed the 'Volume' and R+L level knobs as they were really tight from lack of use all these years {these knobs now turns smoothly}.Will check back if any luck on the bias levels. Thks again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 15 17:37:25 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <362717.34043.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lee, The bias oscilltor itself might need some capacitors replaced. this is one of the most common problems with Dragons. There also might be some flaky caps on the playback board that might need replacement. Good luck. Ram lee wrote: Thks Alex I did try to grease the cam but not sure if I greased the right 'spo't on the cam, still screeches tho. Will try to change the cam belt later. I think can live with the noise for now as only happens when changes operation. Did try to turn those bias knobs 20 maybe thirty times but no luck. In fact I sprayed some contact cleaners on them when I sprayed the 'Volume' and R+L level knobs as they were really tight from lack of use all these years {these knobs now turns smoothly}.Will check back if any luck on the bias levels. Thks again. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 18:42:26 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:42:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Be always my guest!ALEX! From: lkk3110 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:01:54 -0700Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Thks Alex I did try to grease the cam but not sure if I greased the right 'spo't on the cam, still screeches tho. Will try to change the cam belt later. I think can live with the noise for now as only happens when changes operation. Did try to turn those bias knobs 20 maybe thirty times but no luck. In fact I sprayed some contact cleaners on them when I sprayed the 'Volume' and R+L level knobs as they were really tight from lack of use all these years {these knobs now turns smoothly}.Will check back if any luck on the bias levels. Thks again. _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HMWL_mini_pcmag_0707 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Sun Jul 15 19:51:54 2007 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:51:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Frequency response and distortion In-Reply-To: <200707151001.l6FA13jk028595@zxe.naks.com> References: <200707151001.l6FA13jk028595@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20070715134555.03669630@stager.com> >Marc Stager wrote: > Any recording > >... with a decent drum sound will have substantial musical information > > above 10kH... > >Certainly. But I was talking about the 10Hz (not KHZ) to 20Hz range. >Ron My bad What you say is true and obvious. (As in - why even bother bringing it up?) MS From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 06:46:25 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:46:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Hi Ram & Lee, Thanks Ram for your further explications! As Ram is more erudite "Inside" Nack's machines...follow his recommendations! My Dragon...ONLY till today need some drops of "Silicone" based ultra thin oil. on ALL bearings & cams belt replacement. Which I will do it soon, as now I don't feel well...so; with NO good feeling...the results may be worse...that as today!. BTW...I'm very...very...lucky/fortunate living in an a very dry climatic area...My Dragon will survive more years!!!, with maybe very later "Orange Caps" disease!!!! Je...Je...Je...!!! Cheers,ALEX! Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:37:25 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issuesTo: naktalk at naks.comLee,The bias oscilltor itself might need some capacitors replaced. this is one of the most common problems with Dragons. There also might be some flaky caps on the playback board that might need replacement.Good luck.Ramlee wrote: Thks Alex I did try to grease the cam but not sure if I greased the right 'spo't on the cam, still screeches tho. Will try to change the cam belt later. I think can live with the noise for now as only happens when changes operation. Did try to turn those bias knobs 20 maybe thirty times but no luck. In fact I sprayed some contact cleaners on them when I sprayed the 'Volume' and R+L level knobs as they were really tight from lack of use all these years {these knobs now turns smoothly}.Will check back if any luck on the bias levels. Thks again.========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HMWL_mini_pcmag_0707 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 15 23:52:25 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <469A0560.1000809@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <12059.30084.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somewhere I have a copy of a service technician test that I pulled out of their trash (Nakamichi in Torrance). It was very technically orientated. Basic electronics theory and then it went into discrete amplifier troubleshooting. One section had a schematic of an amplifier consisting of about 8 transistors and the question below were like, Q1 Vce=12V, Vr3= 0V what's wrong. Based on the voltage readings given you had to figure out the likely cause. I gave a copy to my dad and he used parts of it to come up with a technician test at the company he was at. If I find it I'll scan it and post it on my web site. BTW - I've added a few advertisements and service bulletins and advertisement on my web site FAQ page. www.nakremotes.com SJ Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Doug, I'm intrigued by these questions... could be nice for the (new) website to test people's knowledge! If you remember any questions (and the answers) then please write them down and send them to me. Wouter Doug Guth wrote: > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. > Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff > called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive > with some highly technical questions about things like the > relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency > response. (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several > "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores > on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist > watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought > one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does > anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the > bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the > bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had > multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled > and cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 00:00:45 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <403641.64773.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the noise when going into stop you need to read NR-0040. You can find a copy on my web page. http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Scott J. lee wrote: Hi everyone Been following this forum quite some time but didn't post much. Today I just got a Dragon which is very likely used, mechanically & cosmetically looks very clean. Everything works (I think) except that when I pressed STOP during play or when changing direction ,there's a screeching sound from the transport. I believe this is a common problem due to some lubricating issues. I've read the solution here in the forum before but forgotten which thread was that. Another issue is that I could not adjust the bias level sufficiently to 0db for all 3 tape types but 400hz level works just fine. Much appreciate if gurus here could advise on what to check.(I do have a ZX7 which works perfectly & also a 680ZX that can only play but records with distortion; & I've changed all orange caps for both units) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 16 00:00:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:00:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Frequency response and distortion In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070715134555.03669630@stager.com> References: <200707151001.l6FA13jk028595@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20070715134555.03669630@stager.com> Message-ID: <469A98EE.6000700@rcn.com> Marc Stager wrote: > >> Marc Stager wrote: >> Any recording >> >... with a decent drum sound will have substantial musical information >> > above 10kH... >> >> Certainly. But I was talking about the 10Hz (not KHZ) to 20Hz range. >> Ron > > > My bad > What you say is true and obvious. > (As in - why even bother bringing it up?) It came up because a minor difference in specs in this region was said to make one deck vastly superior to all others under the sun. -- Ron > MS From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Jul 16 13:42:47 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:42:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests In-Reply-To: <469A0560.1000809@xs4all.nl> References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E4F156@mail.mmsav.com> <469A0560.1000809@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E54E8C405@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Wouter, I'll see if I can find the study guide in my attic next time I'm up there. Thanks, Doug -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Know Your Nak Tests Hi Doug, I'm intrigued by these questions... could be nice for the (new) website to test people's knowledge! If you remember any questions (and the answers) then please write them down and send them to me. Wouter Doug Guth wrote: > Hello, > I was service manager at a Nakamichi dealer from 1986 until 1999. > Nakamichi started a program of study and testing for the sales staff > called "Know Your Nak". The tests that I took were pretty intensive > with some highly technical questions about things like the > relationship of bias levels to distortion and high frequency response. > (I think that I remember 50 or 100 questions with several > "tie-breaker" essay questions!) They had nice prizes for high scores > on the tests including embroidered Nakamichi Jackets, Nakamichi wrist > watches, and one year, Nakamichi 10-speed bicycles. I recently bought > one from a gentleman who had taken the test and won the bike. Does > anyone know what year they gave the bicycles away or who made the > bikes for Nakamichi? I'm an avid cyclist and am curious about the > bike. This one doesn't look like it was ridden at all but had > multiple nicks and scratches form storage. I've got it disassembled > and cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > Doug > HiFi Hospital From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 06:31:35 2007 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:31:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Thks guys for all the advice. When I pause the deck in RECORD mode, then switch to SOURCE & hit the 15kHz bias level, the leds level would go to 0dB mark .Does this mean the bias circuit is working ok? Would I be wrong to assume the playback circuit is faulty for the low level of bias when calibrating? If so, much appreciate if any particular caps I should be looking at. TIA Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 16:16:46 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:16:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ In-Reply-To: <20070713021013.2001.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Ram. I have done as you said and the problem still persists. Will look at sending it off to be checked out. Regards boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Boogie, > >Zx9 IMHO is a great deck that seldom goes awry. > >1. Make sure the tape type and eq is correctly selected. >2. Make sure the mode is in tape position. >3. Make sure the noise reduction is off while you calibrate. >4. Use only a quality tape on a deck this good. > >Ideally it should work right... and of course check the door closure too >and m,ake sure your timer is in the off and mpx etc..is off. > >Good luck. >Ram > >boogie man wrote: Greetings to all: > >After five weeks of non use, I turned on my ZX-9 and was not successfull in >getting it to calibrate. >When engaging the azimuth switch to adjust azimuth, nothing happens. The >rec >mute remains lit and neither level or bias is possible. Does anyone have >any >ideas what the problem could be? >Previously I have never had a problem. If its a big problem then it will be >off somewhere to be repaired. All other functions appear normal and this >includes playback. > >Thanks >boogie > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail. It�s fast, >simple, and safer than ever and best of all � it�s still free. Try it >today! >www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail.� It�s fast, simple, and safer than ever and best of all � it�s still free. Try it today! www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 16 17:07:13 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:07:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tip for cleaning capstans Message-ID: Ever buy the eBay machine with hard black lines on the capstans that simply won't clean with alcohol? To clean these, remove the cassette door. Turn on the machine with no cassette loaded and press play (if needed) so the capstans rotate. With and exacto knife (sharp) blade held about 5 degrees above parallel, slide the blade across the black lines. You will feel a marked difference in the dirty areas. SLide back and forth until the entire capstan is smooth. Now clean with alcohol. By holding the blade nearly flat there is no scratching of the capstan. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 17:44:46 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <154958.50614.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good luck. Great deck though. Don't ever sell it! ram boogie man wrote: Thanks for the info Ram. I have done as you said and the problem still persists. Will look at sending it off to be checked out. Regards boogie >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem_ >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) > >Boogie, > >Zx9 IMHO is a great deck that seldom goes awry. > >1. Make sure the tape type and eq is correctly selected. >2. Make sure the mode is in tape position. >3. Make sure the noise reduction is off while you calibrate. >4. Use only a quality tape on a deck this good. > >Ideally it should work right... and of course check the door closure too >and m,ake sure your timer is in the off and mpx etc..is off. > >Good luck. >Ram > >boogie man wrote: Greetings to all: > >After five weeks of non use, I turned on my ZX-9 and was not successfull in >getting it to calibrate. >When engaging the azimuth switch to adjust azimuth, nothing happens. The >rec >mute remains lit and neither level or bias is possible. Does anyone have >any >ideas what the problem could be? >Previously I have never had a problem. If its a big problem then it will be >off somewhere to be repaired. All other functions appear normal and this >includes playback. > >Thanks >boogie > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail. It’s fast, >simple, and safer than ever and best of all – it’s still free. Try it >today! >www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! 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Try it today! www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 21:36:51 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:36:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 In-Reply-To: <3CD3BA397B694F6BA023730DADC67883@BernardPC> Message-ID: They seem to be difficult to find from UK dealers unless one is prepared to order bulk of unbranded tapes. (These are usually EMTEC Chrome II.) I believe it's much the same in other parts of the World. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: 15 July 2007 13:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 Thanks. Are the chrome tapes readily available for these machines? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 17 00:34:42 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:34:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 References: Message-ID: <00f901c7c7f9$82af9e40$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Graham - I got 10 off TDK SA C90 recently from these guys, [http://www.tapeline.info] who also sell on Ebay, for £8 for 10 tapes [plus a reasonable £4 p&p] so it still seems fairly easy to me ? Also give discouints for larger qtys > 50 & > 100 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 They seem to be difficult to find from UK dealers unless one is prepared to order bulk of unbranded tapes. (These are usually EMTEC Chrome II.) I believe it's much the same in other parts of the World. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernie Gallenbeck Sent: 15 July 2007 13:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR74 Thanks. 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Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Watch all 9 Live Earth concerts live on MSN. http://liveearth.uk.msn.com From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 23:49:46 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:49:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Any naktalk members in Manhattan, New York? References: Message-ID: <001101c7c8bc$650d3640$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "winnie pooh" > I will be visiting Manhattan end of this month and wondered if there are any > Naktalk members in Manhattan? Does anyone know of any good hi-fi/home > theatre stores/shops to visit in Manhattan to help me pass the time? Cheers! I'm not in NY, but this is supposed to be one of the premier shops in the country: http://www.soundbysinger.com/ -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 00:18:59 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Any naktalk members in Manhattan, New York? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <153576.86764.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kelvin, Visit Harvey's in Manhattan. Try visiting innovative audio in Brooklyn too for some electronic hifi excitement. Enjoy NY, my home town! Ram winnie pooh wrote: Hi, I will be visiting Manhattan end of this month and wondered if there are any Naktalk members in Manhattan? Does anyone know of any good hi-fi/home theatre stores/shops to visit in Manhattan to help me pass the time? Cheers! Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Watch all 9 Live Earth concerts live on MSN. http://liveearth.uk.msn.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 02:12:00 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: <525019.4829.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 18 08:58:44 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:58:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <525019.4829.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <525019.4829.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469DBA24.5070105@xs4all.nl> Yup, looks pretty much like it... source + cal and only one meter at 0db does not equals 'all works well' :-) Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > Friends, > > Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am > correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. > > Thanks > ram > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jul 18 09:43:31 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:43:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 Message-ID: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this seller and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals that I have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for the quality of techman777. Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would recommend. Thanks. Doug. From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 18 09:56:04 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:56:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 References: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <001a01c7c911$175b39b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Doug I purchased one for my CR-3 from an Ebay seller & the quality was excellent. His ids are ch5oh (heinz.deppermann at cas-germany.com) [contact seller] Payment details: [None specified] Seller Information Classic Audio Service Heinz Deppermann Am Kuhlenfeld 46 47199 Duisburg Deutschland U could always try him direct if not currently advertising Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Locke" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 >I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on ebay. >In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this seller and the >manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals that I have are a >mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for the quality of >techman777. > Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would > recommend. > Thanks. > Doug. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 16/07/2007 17:42 > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 18 10:12:56 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:12:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 In-Reply-To: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <469DCB88.8020503@xs4all.nl> Bought a service manual for a Yamaha CA-1010 from him and was very happy with it's quality. Wouter Doug Locke wrote: > I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on > ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this > seller and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals > that I have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for > the quality of techman777. > Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would > recommend. > Thanks. > Doug. > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:48:32 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 In-Reply-To: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <171942.69564.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doug, Techman777 is a good seller. Check out hifiengine.com too for manuals and ebman.com too. Ram --- Doug Locke wrote: > I wonder if any of the members has experience of > using techman777 on > ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E > I found this seller > and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of > previous manuals that I > have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could > vouch for the > quality of techman777. > Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals > that they would > recommend. > Thanks. > Doug. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jul 18 14:49:28 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 In-Reply-To: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <293352.43981.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I bought several non-Nak service manuals as well as a broken Nak from this gentleman in the past. The reprint quality of his manual is very good. He uses thick paper in his manuals. Unless the original that he has in your case is of subpar quality. Seems now he also sells reprints of manuals/brochures in Color but has not yet try it so far. So do not know the quality of the color reprints. Hope this help. Mike Doug Locke wrote: I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this seller and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals that I have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for the quality of techman777. Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would recommend. Thanks. Doug. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 14:56:23 2007 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 In-Reply-To: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <143322.77555.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have purchased at least 8 Nak manuals over the last few years from techman777...great quality...good service. John --- Doug Locke wrote: > I wonder if any of the members has experience of > using techman777 on > ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E > I found this seller > and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of > previous manuals that I > have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could > vouch for the > quality of techman777. > Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals > that they would > recommend. > Thanks. > Doug. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Jul 18 17:16:54 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Manhattan Time Killer Message-ID: <811986.29078.qm@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While you are in Lower Manhattan @ Singers check out: http://www.stereoexchange.com/ Used to go in the 80s when it was a smaller "hole in the wall" and gawk at the used stuff that would come in. They are on some best lists so I imagine it's still OK. Have fun. Fred --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jul 18 18:20:43 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:20:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-4E manual-techman777 Message-ID: <8C9976EB9327041-1814-A165@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Doug, ?? I have bought many NAK manuals from techman 777 and have been very happy with all of them. 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Jul 18 20:57:18 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:57:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 References: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <001401c7c96d$7942d5f0$2ad017c4@home> I had absolutely no complaints in the past iro any manual I got from techman777.In have got quite a few from him and can recommend! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Locke" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 >I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on ebay. >In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this seller and the >manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals that I have are a >mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for the quality of >techman777. > Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would > recommend. > Thanks. > Doug. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Jul 18 21:34:39 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:34:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 In-Reply-To: <001401c7c96d$7942d5f0$2ad017c4@home> References: <469DC4A3.3050007@whiteapple.u-net.com> <001401c7c96d$7942d5f0$2ad017c4@home> Message-ID: <469E6B4F.1090809@whiteapple.u-net.com> Many thanks for all the helpful replies, I will place an order with the gentleman straight way. Cheers. Doug. drewes wrote: > I had absolutely no complaints in the past iro any manual I got from > techman777.In have got quite a few from him and can recommend! > walter > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Locke" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:43 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-4E Manual - techman777 > > >> I wonder if any of the members has experience of using techman777 on >> ebay. In looking for a service manual for the CR-4E I found this >> seller and the manual is a reprint. The reprints of previous manuals >> that I have are a mixed bunch and I wonder if anyone could vouch for >> the quality of techman777. >> Failing this, does anyone have a source for manuals that they would >> recommend. >> Thanks. >> Doug. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 19 01:35:44 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem In-Reply-To: <8C9820E5C56C056-CA8-15259@webmail-mf04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I threw that > back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... > this time it worked!!! > > I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long > time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? > > Gra' > Is it possible first time the cassette wasn't seated properly? -- Ron From geospa at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 07:54:00 2007 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:54:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any naktalk members in Manhattan, New York? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: also check out http://stereoexchange.com/ in nyc. off of houston. great place. rich >From: "winnie pooh" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Any naktalk members in Manhattan, New York? >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:04:26 +0000 > > >Hi, > >I will be visiting Manhattan end of this month and wondered if there are >any Naktalk members in Manhattan? Does anyone know of any good hi-fi/home >theatre stores/shops to visit in Manhattan to help me pass the time? >Cheers! > >Kelvin. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch all 9 Live Earth concerts live on MSN. http://liveearth.uk.msn.com > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 09:07:13 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:07:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Message-ID: My dear Gra' Try...to turn on at least 15 minutes before you intend to load a new cassette...as you wrote...that wasn't use it for a long while...& maybe (I'm not sure...of course!), where you live exist a high humid...for so...such 15 minutes at least will dissipate all the humid inside the deck. Try my dear Gra' don't cost you money!. Inform us if really help my advice? Cheers,ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problemDate: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!   http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlmailtextlink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 13:52:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 79 Labs - Side Metal Brackets Now Avaliable!! Message-ID: <860159.10805.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, The side metal brackets for the 670/680 and other similar decks are available now. All brackets are individually machined using CNC and anodized black. Please contact me off-line for pricing details at seventyninelabs at yahoo.com Regards, Bala Ganesh 79Labs ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Jul 19 13:55:06 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:55:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias Message-ID: I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the same result turned fully to the left. Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. The recording sounds pretty good though. I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. David From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 14:48:11 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <986009.82458.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All calibration problem with bias adjust feature of Naks 1. Bias Oscillators of ZX9/ ZX7 , 582/581 (48X series, 68X,67X series) all have Orange caps ( in Bias Osc - fail regularly) and can slowly fail - causes first drop in bias voltage / causes drop in erase current/ bias current. So it can give problems to metal tapes first. Then after a while will fail completely - with no recording function. Need High impedance VTVM to check erase current to verify this. 2. Second problem is azimuth ( record or play head ) slight change in azimuth can cause drop in 15 Khz response and find it difficult to adjust to 0DB ( actually -20dB!) 3. Dragon has a sealed ( or mechanically enclosed) Bias unit with no orange cap in it. It does fail due to some other reason rather than cap failure. Looks like many just attribute bias problem to Orange cap without knowing Dragon issues. I also notice many dragon record head azimuth misaligned. I have also seen many RX505 have similar problems. Dragon playback amplifiers do not fail with orange cap issue ( even though orange caps are present ) - because these caps do not see wild voltage fluctuations. Again i see large number of postings attributing orange caps to every problem encountered. I also notice many attribute problem in Dragon to unrelated causes - do not know why. Dragon - please send it to trained technicians ( with suitable tools) rather than attempting any of these so called cap replacement or band aid methods. 5. have been seeing many electrolytic cap failures in Dragon/ CR7 - mainly power supply/ or power rails smoothing caps. So do not assume unless you know how to trouble shoot and understand electronics. 6. I have not seen any Orange Cap failures on CR 7A - so far ! Graham - your ZX9 may have slight head alignment issue or switch contact issue. Also note the capstan belt ( zx9 has only on DD motor and the other capstan is driven by a belt) issue causing head to tape contact issue causing problem with metal tape azimuth adjust. Since all Naks need some form of tools to align - your Deck may need service atttention if the problem repeats. Also keep it running dialy so that things do not fail suddenly. I also note that ZX 7/9 has bad switches. Switch contact issue can be another possibility. I wish I stay in UK - could have done check up and alignment work free for you. I know your ZX9 is special and wish another 20 years trouble free service my friend Kannan David Thompson wrote: I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the same result turned fully to the left. Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. The recording sounds pretty good though. I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 19 16:30:26 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:30:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias In-Reply-To: <986009.82458.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, Thanks for the tips. I always thought the orange caps in the bias oscillator failed suddenly, but gradual failures make sense. The orange cap leakage causes a larger voltage drop in the oscillator's source voltage series fuse resistor (which burns open at some point). Less voltage = underbias. The thought I had to contribute is that some NAAC calibrations seem to run the azimuth pulley to one extreme, where it clicks or jams.When the cassette is ejected, NAAC automatically resets the pulley to center, so the next calibration has a chance to suceed. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:48 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal over bias All calibration problem with bias adjust feature of Naks 1. Bias Oscillators of ZX9/ ZX7 , 582/581 (48X series, 68X,67X series) all have Orange caps ( in Bias Osc - fail regularly) and can slowly fail - causes first drop in bias voltage / causes drop in erase current/ bias current. So it can give problems to metal tapes first. Then after a while will fail completely - with no recording function. Need High impedance VTVM to check erase current to verify this. 2. Second problem is azimuth ( record or play head ) slight change in azimuth can cause drop in 15 Khz response and find it difficult to adjust to 0DB ( actually -20dB!) 3. Dragon has a sealed ( or mechanically enclosed) Bias unit with no orange cap in it. It does fail due to some other reason rather than cap failure. Looks like many just attribute bias problem to Orange cap without knowing Dragon issues. I also notice many dragon record head azimuth misaligned. I have also seen many RX505 have similar problems. Dragon playback amplifiers do not fail with orange cap issue ( even though orange caps are present ) - because these caps do not see wild voltage fluctuations. Again i see large number of postings attributing orange caps to every problem encountered. I also notice many attribute problem in Dragon to unrelated causes - do not know why. Dragon - please send it to trained technicians ( with suitable tools) rather than attempting any of these so called cap replacement or band aid methods. 5. have been seeing many electrolytic cap failures in Dragon/ CR7 - mainly power supply/ or power rails smoothing caps. So do not assume unless you know how to trouble shoot and understand electronics. 6. I have not seen any Orange Cap failures on CR 7A - so far ! Graham - your ZX9 may have slight head alignment issue or switch contact issue. Also note the capstan belt ( zx9 has only on DD motor and the other capstan is driven by a belt) issue causing head to tape contact issue causing problem with metal tape azimuth adjust. Since all Naks need some form of tools to align - your Deck may need service atttention if the problem repeats. Also keep it running dialy so that things do not fail suddenly. I also note that ZX 7/9 has bad switches. Switch contact issue can be another possibility. I wish I stay in UK - could have done check up and alignment work free for you. I know your ZX9 is special and wish another 20 years trouble free service my friend Kannan David Thompson wrote: I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the same result turned fully to the left. Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. The recording sounds pretty good though. I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. *andy* From nik_martinov at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 22:11:54 2007 From: nik_martinov at hotmail.com (Nik Martinov) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:11:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Accessories Message-ID: hey guys, I listed what is left of my Nak collection, besides the 1000ZXL, on ebay. My account name is nik_martinov there. No reserves and $0.50 opening bids, so whatever it goes for is what you get it for. Thanks a bunch, Nik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jul 20 03:29:33 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:29:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alex It's not generally humid in the UK - at least not by some standards in the World! - but we have had what is probably the wettest June and July on record. So, maybe the humidity has something to do with this. Whatever, since the beastie started to work properly again, I've not have any relapses with it. Ron suggested the cassette might not have been seated properly. I suppose this is another possibility. I notice that the shell of the MA-XG is a tight fit compared with my usual EMTEC's and TDK SA's. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 19 July 2007 08:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem My dear Gra' Try...to turn on at least 15 minutes before you intend to load a new cassette...as you wrote...that wasn't use it for a long while...& maybe (I'm not sure...of course!), where you live exist a high humid...for so...such 15 minutes at least will dissipate all the humid inside the deck. Try my dear Gra' don't cost you money!. Inform us if really help my advice? Cheers, ALEX! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 07:08:40 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Message-ID: <778485.62009.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, Yes I realize this too with That's MRXPs. They seem much loose in the cassette well compared to Maxells. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:29:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem P { PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;} BODY { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Alex It's not generally humid in the UK - at least not by some standards in the World! - but we have had what is probably the wettest June and July on record. So, maybe the humidity has something to do with this. Whatever, since the beastie started to work properly again, I've not have any relapses with it. Ron suggested the cassette might not have been seated properly. I suppose this is another possibility. I notice that the shell of the MA-XG is a tight fit compared with my usual EMTEC's and TDK SA's. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 19 July 2007 08:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem My dear Gra' Try...to turn on at least 15 minutes before you intend to load a new cassette...as you wrote...that wasn't use it for a long while...& maybe (I'm not sure...of course!), where you live exist a high humid...for so...such 15 minutes at least will dissipate all the humid inside the deck. Try my dear Gra' don't cost you money!. Inform us if really help my advice? Cheers, ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jul 19 22:54:37 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <071920071534.21840.469F84840000D7810000555022165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53332.21217.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy: The machine might still playback a cassette fine. The problem might be on the meter itself or component(s) on the meter circuitry went south and need to be replaced. If the meter is the problem the only solution is to find another set of meters from another machine to replace it. Those meters come in one pair and you cannot just replace the bad one only. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, Ram: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Thu Jul 19 23:08:35 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:08:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <071920071534.21840.469F84840000D7810000555022165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301c7ca48$f919eb70$0307a8c0@DR1> I sent an email 2 days ago inquiring about the same disparity in signals on L&R channels, but the seller did not post the question and did not respond. Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:34 AM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Hi, Ram: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Jul 20 00:39:32 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:39:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 serial no. Message-ID: A CR-7 on ebay in Australia has a serial number of A130 0296. Is this an early one before eq and gear upgrades? Thanks David From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 03:55:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070720015517.76934.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I have seen that the gren shelled MA-XG has a hygroscopic shell. I personally do not care for the green shelled cassettes due to this and the fact that in a hot car and even hotter car cassette deck the tape just oozes oils. ( happened every time) I prefer the earlier MA-XG metal shells ( Like the MA-R shells) Humidity might have had the shell body swell and therefore the tight fit and the resultant azimuth error too. If this happens again, transplant the tape from an ma-xg shell and insert into an ordinary ma shell or an sa shell( choose correct tapt type though) and try immediately. Chances are it will work. I repeat the ZX9 is a very difficult machine to go awry. I have one thats never been touched since manufacture and keeps on running marathon recordings and playbacks with no issue at all. Beeen over 28 years! All original! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Alex It's not generally humid in the UK - at least not by some standards in the World! - but we have had what is probably the wettest June and July on record. So, maybe the humidity has something to do with this. Whatever, since the beastie started to work properly again, I've not have any relapses with it. Ron suggested the cassette might not have been seated properly. I suppose this is another possibility. I notice that the shell of the MA-XG is a tight fit compared with my usual EMTEC's and TDK SA's. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 19 July 2007 08:07 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem My dear Gra' Try...to turn on at least 15 minutes before you intend to load a new cassette...as you wrote...that wasn't use it for a long while...& maybe (I'm not sure...of course!), where you live exist a high humid...for so...such 15 minutes at least will dissipate all the humid inside the deck. Try my dear Gra' don't cost you money!. Inform us if really help my advice? Cheers, ALEX! --------------------------------- From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' --------------------------------- Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 19 23:00:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:00:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and simple. Anybody know the fix for it? Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 08:43:12 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:43:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problem Message-ID: My dear Gra' Yes it's much possible...as my knowledge on metal cassettes is "NULL"...much such heavily built cassette shell...that Ron 100% is right at the point!. 99% I use "Chrome' derived cassettes with regular "Plastic" shell...so there all works 100% well! Have a nice weekend, Cheers,ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problemDate: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:29:33 +0100 Alex It's not generally humid in the UK - at least not by some standards in the World! - but we have had what is probably the wettest June and July on record. So, maybe the humidity has something to do with this. Whatever, since the beastie started to work properly again, I've not have any relapses with it. Ron suggested the cassette might not have been seated properly. I suppose this is another possibility. I notice that the shell of the MA-XG is a tight fit compared with my usual EMTEC's and TDK SA's. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: 19 July 2007 08:07To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problemMy dear Gra' Try...to turn on at least 15 minutes before you intend to load a new cassette...as you wrote...that wasn't use it for a long while...& maybe (I'm not sure...of course!), where you live exist a high humid...for so...such 15 minutes at least will dissipate all the humid inside the deck. Try my dear Gra' don't cost you money!. Inform us if really help my advice? Cheers,ALEX! From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Calibration problemDate: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:35:44 +0100 I'm thinking my lovely machine may need a service. The BBC Proms concerts have started so I thought I'd prepare her for a recording using TDK MA-XG. It wouldn't calibrate! Sometimes the azi' light would come on and sometimes it wouldn't, while the Bias and Eq just didn't work at all. And when the azi light did go on, it seemed to be different every time - set it right one time, it would be wrong the next. I checked all the switches and treble checked them. Nothing wrong but it still wouldn't calibrate. So, I took out the MA-XG and replaced it with a TDK SA-X. It calibrated first time! I re-checked it and all was fine again. Hmm ... I began to suspect the MA-XG tape. So, I threw that back in the ZX9 to try calibrating with it once and a final time ... this time it worked!!! I suppose this may be because I've not recorded on the deck in a long time, just replayed stuff previously recorded on it. Any thoughts? Gra' Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! _________________________________________________________________ Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 08:59:12 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:59:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011901c7ca9b$7b1d5510$0307a8c0@DR1> Are there replacement meters available, or do they have to be salvaged from similar decks? How many different Nak decks use this same interchangeable meter? Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and simple. Anybody know the fix for it? Jeff W _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 20 09:31:56 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:31:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <011901c7ca9b$7b1d5510$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <011901c7ca9b$7b1d5510$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <46A064EC.4010304@xs4all.nl> I would first suspect something else then the meters failing. It could be a dirty source/tape switch, electronic failure (like orange caps) or ?? As far as I know (reading naktalk and own experience) meters themselves don't fail that often. 670zx meters are shared with those in the 660zx. Wouter Dan wrote: > Are there replacement meters available, or do they have to be salvaged > from similar decks? How many different Nak decks use this same > interchangeable meter? > > Dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bansijeff at aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:00 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! > > In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you > mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it > definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and > the other sitting at the dead idle position. > > It is highly unlikely that the program material on the > pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a > disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, > but it is possible. > > Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? > > Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. > > > > Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - > including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and > simple. Anybody know the fix for it? > Jeff W > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 20 09:50:31 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:50:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. CR-2 Wouter From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 12:44:04 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX Meters Message-ID: <690826.71867.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, Usually this happens to me when I play the deck after a long time. But once all warmed up, the meters come up just fine. Usually, the moving coil meters do not get faulty, but over the years a lot of things from dirty heads and dirty switches and even access moisture caused meter imbalances. Unless the meters experience shock on their own, usually they never get damaged. It could something be on the driving circuits themselves. But my humble 670ZX, which celebrates 12 years with me, has never given any problem. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:59:12 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Are there replacement meters available, or do they have to be salvaged from similar decks? How many different Nak decks use this same interchangeable meter? Dan From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and simple. Anybody know the fix for it? Jeff W Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 12:45:49 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: <360745.3042.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, Have you got the heads, switches all cleaned and checked the deck for any loose connections? How do the meters behave when you put in an external source ? Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:00:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and simple. Anybody know the fix for it? Jeff W Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The rec controls comes to zero >when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 >right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the >same result turned fully to the left. >Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a >different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. >The recording sounds pretty good though. >I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. >David From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 14:52:14 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meta over bias again Message-ID: <687771.67646.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, This looks to me like a shorting somewhere. Are those caps good? Or is there a short somewhere? Regards, Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: David Thompson To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:42:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Meta over bias again Kannan wrote about orange caps affecting bias but that is not the case with my problem below. I replaced the orange caps previously when the bias setting was too low (about -10). In this case the meter levels do not come down out of the red section of the meter but stay high as I indicated. This looks to me like the opposite problem to the orange cap effect. I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. David >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:55:06 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked >the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero >when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 >right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the >same result turned fully to the left. >Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a >different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. >The recording sounds pretty good though. >I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. >David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 14:57:26 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Meta over bias again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <137020.82015.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi David when the Orange caps cuased initial low bias voltage it also affects the connected components like the two transistors. Replace them and you will find the voltage coming up again. If you have a high impedance VTVM or Fluke 189/187/865 meters you can see the voltage correctly. Generally if bias oscillator had failed before replace the transistors as well as caps to avoid low bias. When you replace these two transistors check the gain of new transistors - matc them with almost equal gain as well as higher gain about 200+ if possible to get the best bias voltage Kannan David Thompson wrote: Kannan wrote about orange caps affecting bias but that is not the case with my problem below. I replaced the orange caps previously when the bias setting was too low (about -10). In this case the meter levels do not come down out of the red section of the meter but stay high as I indicated. This looks to me like the opposite problem to the orange cap effect. I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. David >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:55:06 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked >the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero >when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 >right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the >same result turned fully to the left. >Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a >different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. >The recording sounds pretty good though. >I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. >David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 20 15:07:34 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:07:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <525019.4829.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. Dennis Ball -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 15:11:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <007301c7ca48$f919eb70$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <197035.29455.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, Me too. no response from sller. He is alreadu gettin close to $90 and perhaps doesnt really care. Ram Dan wrote: I sent an email 2 days ago inquiring about the same disparity in signals on L&R channels, but the seller did not post the question and did not respond. Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:34 AM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Hi, Ram: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 15:13:44 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <46A064EC.4010304@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <48420.17712.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, You are so correct about the meters themselves failing. Its usually something near the board that the harness from the meter connects too. Ram Wouter Heijke wrote: I would first suspect something else then the meters failing. It could be a dirty source/tape switch, electronic failure (like orange caps) or ?? As far as I know (reading naktalk and own experience) meters themselves don't fail that often. 670zx meters are shared with those in the 660zx. Wouter Dan wrote: > Are there replacement meters available, or do they have to be salvaged > from similar decks? How many different Nak decks use this same > interchangeable meter? > > Dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bansijeff at aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:00 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! > > In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:57:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you > mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it > definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and > the other sitting at the dead idle position. > > It is highly unlikely that the program material on the > pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a > disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, > but it is possible. > > Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? > > Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. > > > > Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - > including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and > simple. Anybody know the fix for it? > Jeff W > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 15:22:01 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <77335.23137.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter and fellow Naktalk members, I am curious that the Revox name doesnt even come in in the top ten. If anything the Revox decks will give a run for the money to Nak decks, both in the recordign and playback departments and the last two Revox decks the B215 and the B760( or was that the B780?) are so well built with direct drive 4 motors, no Nak can come close in their build quality! What a shame these machines are not as well appreciated as they deserve to be. Yet the Revox decks are some of the best built and best sounding decks ever made. Regards, Ram Wouter Heijke wrote: Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. CR-2 Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. Virtually every 670ZX and 660ZX sold on eBay has this same problem - including one I bought. It's a failure in the meters, pure and simple. Anybody know the fix for it? 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Autos new Car Finder tool. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 15:27:05 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <485954.23875.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dennis, Me2. No response from seller on meters. The 670zx is a HUMBLE deck as compared to say the 680ZX like Bala stated earlier on. It has its own signature sound and what i love the needles moving to and fro and setting record levels is a breeze as compared to LED or LCD for me. This deck is surely a keeper. Ram Dennis Ball wrote: Ram, I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. Dennis Ball -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! 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URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Jul 20 15:38:17 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:38:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> References: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6839b2c0707200638j5acfa6a9l746a5aa5194bad9a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Wouter, Thanks for the stats. July 20 last year I asked you how many members we are on NakTalk. The answer was 720. How many are we today? My guess would be that the number has grown. A nice summer to you and all on the list. Best Regards, Per 2007/7/20, Wouter Heijke : > Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, ... From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 15:39:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:39:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <072020071339.17146.46A0BAFF000BC4BF000042FA22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 20 16:01:06 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:01:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <6839b2c0707200638j5acfa6a9l746a5aa5194bad9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> <6839b2c0707200638j5acfa6a9l746a5aa5194bad9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46A0C022.1060608@xs4all.nl> Hi Per, Well 803 as of july 2007! But I can tell you people come and go all the time. Now someone should make a list of the top posters of the last year ;-) Wouter Per Borgen wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Thanks for the stats. July 20 last year I asked you how many > members we are on NakTalk. The answer was 720. How many > are we today? My guess would be that the number has grown. > > A nice summer to you and all on the list. > > Best Regards, > > Per > > 2007/7/20, Wouter Heijke : >> Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, ... From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 16:31:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <072020071339.17146.46A0BAFF000BC4BF000042FA22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <377469.87687.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, You have yet again opened up a fiery can of worms. I agree that the Dragon is an over hyped Nak out there. Yes, the 680/681 and 682 decks sound sonically superior to the Dragon and record much more accurate than the Dragon too. Whenever I have attempted to state this humbly I have been accused of flaunting my decks by some esteemed members who have not even heard these other machines,unfortunately for them. Having said that the Dragon is not the best sounding Nak out there, I would definitely have you go get one because it is a unique machine and should be in ones collection, because it is a great sounding deck. Just not the best by any standards. The ZXL......its the fourth or fifth inthe Nak list Wouter mentioned...but in reality, believe me Andy, it has no peer in the universe. Its in a class all by itself. In fact it created a classs, which even Nakamichi Corp. did not and chose not to outdo to date. Your 682ZX comes very close to the ZXL. Cherish it and never give it up. The ZX9 is a workhorse that never dies IMHO. Great sounding too! Records superb, just shy of the ZXL. I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my rescue!!?? Regards, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jul 20 16:35:55 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:35:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2007 6:16:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. I bought a 680 from this same vendor two months ago. It had undisclosed problems. He's not honest. Since I was looking for a parts deck, it worked out all right for me, but I wouldn't deal with him again. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jul 20 16:49:53 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:49:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <377469.87687.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <377469.87687.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A0CB91.4040109@xs4all.nl> Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But still they are very reliable machines to me. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my > rescue!!?? > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 17:38:52 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <710974.53259.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thats a good measure! The Dragon is a nice deck with its own unique sound. And with NAAC, it makes a good cassette recorder for sure. Of course if you compare it with, say the CR7, the '7 has more features to boot. Nevertheless it is a deck which I enjoy for its uniqueness. And a deck that deserves a place in a Nak collection. Here in Asia, Dragons are mythical creatures and are revered by many Orientals. And prior to that, every young man who knew music knew the Nakamichi as much as today's young men know the XBOX or PS3 from its detractors. So, when a special deck commemorating the passing of Etsuro ' The Dragon' Nakamichi was released, it stood out among the crowd of numbered models. The magazines also gave it good coverage which gave it a reputation that I wouldn't say it didn't deserve. The serious music lovers, who had huge desires but smaller pockets, were not able to hear the other decks at that time and that left many of them with impressions of the Dragon. Those who went deep into cassettes in those heady days knew what to look out for, and sure among their recommendations were the 680ZX (or 682ZX) among the others. These family of decks were built for reliability and a superb sound. In the Nakamichi stable, there are many decks with a different sound. To play our favorite tapes in each one is an experience. While the Dragon was set out to be a special deck, it wasn't Nakamichi's best effort. Its combination of timing, sound, price and name (which gave it the popularity) assured its ascension. Regards, Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: wheijke at xs4all.nl Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 17:39:37 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <072020071339.17146.46A0BAFF000BC4BF000042FA22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6448.69735.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunately large number of so called better is subjective as I am sure many have not heard a correctly aligned Dragon against many of the machines again aligned. what does it mean sonically ? since your music chain has many componenets - this would definitely subjective rather than any objective evaluation of any deck Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 17:45:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <29750.65402.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Aside from Nakamichis, I am sure others here have listened to famous decks like the Aiwa Excelia? Or the Teac Z6000/Z7000? Its amazing that during these times, our favorite decks pushed others to try very hard and come out with these amazing machines. The specs are not so spectacular, but their sound is simply mind numbing! Other wonderful decks to try are Technics which borrowed engineering from their superb reel decks, Sony and Denon. Denon went on to become superb at the art of analogue mastering and then decided to throw most of it away to concentrate on digital. To date, they still make and sell brand new mastering reel decks though. Strange! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:49:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But still they are very reliable machines to me. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my > rescue!!?? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jul 20 17:09:14 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:09:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: Ram, You know that we share very similar opinions of our favourite decks, but the list is the most popular decks which are not necessarily the best or worst. It could be down to marketing hype, reputation, scarcity or whatever. Anyway, it's great to see so many members afiliated with this forum which is of enormous value to us all. Hopefully we will soon be able to go back to real time message posting now that the previous issues are history, as I particularly enjoy responses within a few minutes rather than hours later or the next day. To the guru's especially, keep up the good work and thanks for all of your advice. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 17:30:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A0CB91.4040109@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <77506.50341.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree Wouter. Dragon is like media Hype. Ram Wouter Heijke wrote: Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But still they are very reliable machines to me. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my > rescue!!?? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 18:13:54 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:13:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01ce01c7cae8$f8a14350$0307a8c0@DR1> Dennis, Ram, I've asked questions about this deck also without a single reply - in my experience a very ominous sign. Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Ram, I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. Dennis Ball -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram _____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 19:09:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <6448.69735.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <758827.77520.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, And many have not heard a properly aligned and calibrated ZXl, 680Zx et..either. It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum. Yes its subjective, alright in case of all the decks and thats why we cassette lovers have ( many of us) numerous decks in our cassette deck arsenal. Respectfully, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Unfortunately large number of so called better is subjective as I am sure many have not heard a correctly aligned Dragon against many of the machines again aligned. what does it mean sonically ? since your music chain has many componenets - this would definitely subjective rather than any objective evaluation of any deck Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 19:16:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <29750.65402.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319553.17165.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, You left out the Revox B215! Thats another master deck like the Z-7000 from Teac. The above two are superb non Nak machines but rare to get. Subjectively, as some might say, they sound extremely musical and superb. the TEAC specs out well bu the Revox specs out at 30Hz-20Khz but sounds infinitely better than the specs might suggest. Were the Germans extra conservative in the specification of frequency response department. Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Aside from Nakamichis, I am sure others here have listened to famous decks like the Aiwa Excelia? Or the Teac Z6000/Z7000? Its amazing that during these times, our favorite decks pushed others to try very hard and come out with these amazing machines. The specs are not so spectacular, but their sound is simply mind numbing! Other wonderful decks to try are Technics which borrowed engineering from their superb reel decks, Sony and Denon. Denon went on to become superb at the art of analogue mastering and then decided to throw most of it away to concentrate on digital. To date, they still make and sell brand new mastering reel decks though. Strange! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:49:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But still they are very reliable machines to me. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my > rescue!!?? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Jul 20 19:36:22 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <710974.53259.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84900.17755.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In Asia, the DRAGON did has a hugh following among cassette fans there. For example there is a chinese forum on cassette decks and Nak forum in Mainland China. DRAGON is the most mentioned deck over that two forums closely followed by the ZX-7/9. I believe that some of the members there also belongs to Naktalk forum here as well. Sometimes they have reported our activities on their forums. In general a lot of people there like the sound of the DRAGON and some prefer others. That is fact. They all have their own faithful followers. At the same time there is a small group of forum members over there also own mutliple 700ZXL/1000ZXL as well as DRAGON ( that is expected ). They are considered as premium members by others. They have reported extensive listening sessions on these machines and in general they believe that the 1000ZXL sounds better than the DRAGON. The biggest problem that those cassette fans in China encountered right now is services on their beloved decks ( both parts and labors ). A lot of those people has to maintain the decks themselves. Finding replacement parts in China is more difficult than landing on the Mars. Eventually they would have to go oversea to search for all these parts. These chinese collectors also are big followers on STUDE/REVOX and NAGRA open-reel decks as well. For STUDER/REVOX they are talking about those studio decks other than common consumer models ( e.g. A77, B77 etc. etc. ). Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats a good measure! The Dragon is a nice deck with its own unique sound. And with NAAC, it makes a good cassette recorder for sure. Of course if you compare it with, say the CR7, the '7 has more features to boot. Nevertheless it is a deck which I enjoy for its uniqueness. And a deck that deserves a place in a Nak collection. Here in Asia, Dragons are mythical creatures and are revered by many Orientals. And prior to that, every young man who knew music knew the Nakamichi as much as today's young men know the XBOX or PS3 from its detractors. So, when a special deck commemorating the passing of Etsuro ' The Dragon' Nakamichi was released, it stood out among the crowd of numbered models. The magazines also gave it good coverage which gave it a reputation that I wouldn't say it didn't deserve. The serious music lovers, who had huge desires but smaller pockets, were not able to hear the other decks at that time and that left many of them with impressions of the Dragon. Those who went deep into cassettes in those heady days knew what to look out for, and sure among their recommendations were the 680ZX (or 682ZX) among the others. These family of decks were built for reliability and a superb sound. In the Nakamichi stable, there are many decks with a different sound. To play our favorite tapes in each one is an experience. While the Dragon was set out to be a special deck, it wasn't Nakamichi's best effort. Its combination of timing, sound, price and name (which gave it the popularity) assured its ascension. Regards, Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: wheijke at xs4all.nl Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Jul 20 19:51:27 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:51:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: <072020071339.17146.46A0BAFF000BC4BF000042FA22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007001c7caf6$a2009060$4ed417c4@home> Get a Dragon and hear!!! (I also have the other Naks mentioned) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on > Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! > > I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. > > Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what > I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, > sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me > recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the > way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I > think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the > Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, > several decks rank higher. > > I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will > only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more > than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jul 20 20:36:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:36:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:15:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum. I don't think it's unfortunate at all. The Dragon has much lower W&F than the classic transport decks and the NAAC is a very beneficial feature. It's an excellent deck. It also has an excellent sound, despite what you say. Some people don't want to put out megabucks for 1000ZXL's that are constantly breaking down and are dependent upon an extinct belt. Whether or not the 1000ZXL was the best Nak in 1981 is now irrelevant, as from now on it will be much easier to maintain the Dragon into the future than the ZXL's due to the ready availability of parts decks, and a Dragon now probably represents a better value for the money. There's a parts deck Dragon on eBay every 2 weeks, and a parts deck ZXL 2 times a year. I think for most people, who just want to listen to cassettes, the ZXL is a waste of money. For a collector maybe it's the holy grail, but if you're not a collector who cares? Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Jul 20 20:51:50 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <29750.65402.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <504852.40595.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sound likes nobody remembers the B&O 9000 :( It does offer something that Nak doesn't. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Aside from Nakamichis, I am sure others here have listened to famous decks like the Aiwa Excelia? Or the Teac Z6000/Z7000? Its amazing that during these times, our favorite decks pushed others to try very hard and come out with these amazing machines. The specs are not so spectacular, but their sound is simply mind numbing! Other wonderful decks to try are Technics which borrowed engineering from their superb reel decks, Sony and Denon. Denon went on to become superb at the art of analogue mastering and then decided to throw most of it away to concentrate on digital. To date, they still make and sell brand new mastering reel decks though. Strange! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:49:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But still they are very reliable machines to me. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. 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URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 20 22:09:23 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:09:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <485954.23875.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, I know just what you mean! I too prefer the decks with the old style VU meters. I guess it's a carry over from when my uncle got me started back in the late 60's when he'd send home equipment from far away places while he was in the service. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:27 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Dennis, Me2. No response from seller on meters. The 670zx is a HUMBLE deck as compared to say the 680ZX like Bala stated earlier on. It has its own signature sound and what i love the needles moving to and fro and setting record levels is a breeze as compared to LED or LCD for me. This deck is surely a keeper. Ram Dennis Ball wrote: Ram, I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. Dennis Ball -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 20 17:55:30 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:55:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <53332.21217.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have some from a 480. Might be the same meters? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Andy: The machine might still playback a cassette fine. The problem might be on the meter itself or component(s) on the meter circuitry went south and need to be replaced. If the meter is the problem the only solution is to find another set of meters from another machine to replace it. Those meters come in one pair and you cannot just replace the bad one only. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, Ram: I took a look at the photos in the auction and I see what you mean. Even though the seller states that "all works well", it definitely doesn't look quite right, with one meter working and the other sitting at the dead idle position. It is highly unlikely that the program material on the pre-recorded tape being used in the photo would have such a disparity in signal strength between the left and right channels, but it is possible. Have you asked the seller about this? Did you get a reply? Best of luck with your bidding...that is one CLEAN looking deck. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Jul 20 22:12:40 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:12:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, Thanks for the heads-up. I've been debating to have a go at this deck or not. I've got a 580 that had similar problems with the meters that wasn't too bad to repair. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In a message dated 7/20/2007 6:16:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. I bought a 680 from this same vendor two months ago. It had undisclosed problems. He's not honest. Since I was looking for a parts deck, it worked out all right for me, but I wouldn't deal with him again. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 22:48:56 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <84900.17755.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <948396.11426.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, You summed up what Bala and I have been saying for a while here.I guess the chinese do agree with Bala and I. The Revox decks and Nagras' are also in a separate league by themselves and are a benchmark of comparisons. I have heard the Revox but only heard of the Nagra, but, nevertheless, am not going to discount the Nagra. i am sure they are great decks. No wonder movie studios around the world use them even today for outdoor shoots. Regards, Ram LENA WONG wrote: In Asia, the DRAGON did has a hugh following among cassette fans there. For example there is a chinese forum on cassette decks and Nak forum in Mainland China. DRAGON is the most mentioned deck over that two forums closely followed by the ZX-7/9. I believe that some of the members there also belongs to Naktalk forum here as well. Sometimes they have reported our activities on their forums. In general a lot of people there like the sound of the DRAGON and some prefer others. That is fact. They all have their own faithful followers. At the same time there is a small group of forum members over there also own mutliple 700ZXL/1000ZXL as well as DRAGON ( that is expected ). They are considered as premium members by others. They have reported extensive listening sessions on these machines and in general they believe that the 1000ZXL sounds better than the DRAGON. The biggest problem that those cassette fans in China encountered right now is services on their beloved decks ( both parts and labors ). A lot of those people has to maintain the decks themselves. Finding replacement parts in China is more difficult than landing on the Mars. Eventually they would have to go oversea to search for all these parts. These chinese collectors also are big followers on STUDE/REVOX and NAGRA open-reel decks as well. For STUDER/REVOX they are talking about those studio decks other than common consumer models ( e.g. A77, B77 etc. etc. ). Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats a good measure! The Dragon is a nice deck with its own unique sound. And with NAAC, it makes a good cassette recorder for sure. Of course if you compare it with, say the CR7, the '7 has more features to boot. Nevertheless it is a deck which I enjoy for its uniqueness. And a deck that deserves a place in a Nak collection. Here in Asia, Dragons are mythical creatures and are revered by many Orientals. And prior to that, every young man who knew music knew the Nakamichi as much as today's young men know the XBOX or PS3 from its detractors. So, when a special deck commemorating the passing of Etsuro ' The Dragon' Nakamichi was released, it stood out among the crowd of numbered models. The magazines also gave it good coverage which gave it a reputation that I wouldn't say it didn't deserve. The serious music lovers, who had huge desires but smaller pockets, were not able to hear the other decks at that time and that left many of them with impressions of the Dragon. Those who went deep into cassettes in those heady days knew what to look out for, and sure among their recommendations were the 680ZX (or 682ZX) among the others. These family of decks were built for reliability and a superb sound. In the Nakamichi stable, there are many decks with a different sound. To play our favorite tapes in each one is an experience. While the Dragon was set out to be a special deck, it wasn't Nakamichi's best effort. Its combination of timing, sound, price and name (which gave it the popularity) assured its ascension. Regards, Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: wheijke at xs4all.nl Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, since I own three of the ten most popular Nakamichi decks on Wouter's site (CR-7, ZX-9, 682ZX), I guess I'm not doing too bad! I continue to be puzzled about the Dragon being number 1, however. Other than true auto-reverse, the Dragon offers me nothing more than what I already have, and may even be slightly less than my CR-7 and ZX-9, sonically speaking. Heck, one very respected NakTalk member told me recently that he prefers the 682ZX over the Dragon! (The 682ZX, by the way, is my overall favourite Nakamichi deck!) Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Dragon or Dragon owners, but I think a lot of folks outside of this hobby think--incorrectly--that the Dragon is the finest deck that Nakamichi ever made, when in my opinion, several decks rank higher. I really don't know if I'll ever try to get a Dragon, but if I do, it will only be to say that I have one, because I am pretty sure that I have more than one Nakamichi deck that is superior (or that I like better). *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? 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Hopefully we will soon be able to go back to real time message posting now that the previous issues are history, as I particularly enjoy responses within a few minutes rather than hours later or the next day. To the guru's especially, keep up the good work and thanks for all of your advice. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 22:51:28 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: <01ce01c7cae8$f8a14350$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <10694.68216.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, Better to bypass this one. I stopped bidding. Ram Dan wrote: Dennis, Ram, I've asked questions about this deck also without a single reply - in my experience a very ominous sign. Dan --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Ram, I've lusted for one of these for several years now... Looks to be in great shape on the outside. I've asked seller questions about this deck - with no reply. Dennis Ball -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Friends, Please review listing number 130134859882 on ebay and tell me if I am correct to say that one of the meters on this deck is not working. Thanks ram --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 22:58:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <766007.73796.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, I and many others care my friend. Sorry But I really do. I do not wish to rehash the entire ordeal again for obvious reasons and wish to move on from this ZXL/ Dragon debate respectfully. We are all cassette enthusiasts and should not be throwing stones at each other at all! I am done with arguing on this issue. Period. I have immensely stated what my heart and ears have felt and heard. To each his own opinion and I respect that. Regards, ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:15:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum. I don't think it's unfortunate at all. The Dragon has much lower W&F than the classic transport decks and the NAAC is a very beneficial feature. It's an excellent deck. It also has an excellent sound, despite what you say. Some people don't want to put out megabucks for 1000ZXL's that are constantly breaking down and are dependent upon an extinct belt. Whether or not the 1000ZXL was the best Nak in 1981 is now irrelevant, as from now on it will be much easier to maintain the Dragon into the future than the ZXL's due to the ready availability of parts decks, and a Dragon now probably represents a better value for the money. There's a parts deck Dragon on eBay every 2 weeks, and a parts deck ZXL 2 times a year. I think for most people, who just want to listen to cassettes, the ZXL is a waste of money. For a collector maybe it's the holy grail, but if you're not a collector who cares? Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 20 23:22:34 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:22:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: So the 500, 600II, 700II, LX5, BX300, MR1, 482Z, 582, and 680 are all bargains! How wonderful! Akai is #2???? I imagine the glass ferrite might influence that a bit, but Teac and Aiwa cassettes are much more interesting than Akai. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. CR-2 Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jul 21 00:22:45 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:22:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <77335.23137.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Indeed so. And the last I heard, ReVox were still producing spares at least for the B215. I am told by the UK ReVox service engineer there are still thousands of them in service for professional applications - e.g. at airports, the Police, etc, and that it may be some time before they are replaced with newer technology due to the cost of doing so. So, from the point of view of spares (and longevity anyway, given they are so reliable) I'd think a B215 was a good investment. In my case it wasn't - I bought a real puppy off a guy in France. It worked for a while, and when it did it was excellent. But it soon died and the parts needed to repair it were worth more than the deck itself. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 20 July 2007 14:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Wouter and fellow Naktalk members, I am curious that the Revox name doesnt even come in in the top ten. If anything the Revox decks will give a run for the money to Nak decks, both in the recordign and playback departments and the last two Revox decks the B215 and the B760( or was that the B780?) are so well built with direct drive 4 motors, no Nak can come close in their build quality! What a shame these machines are not as well appreciated as they deserve to be. Yet the Revox decks are some of the best built and best sounding decks ever made. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jul 21 00:22:51 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:22:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <377469.87687.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LOL! Well, I'm not about to attack or defend Ram because I only have experience of three Nak decks - BX1 (my first and I still have it), a ZX-9 (allegedly modified by Tom van Der Hoff) which is my primary deck) and a CR7A (which I sold because I couldn't financially justify keeping two top-line cassette decks - but I preferred the ZX9.) I've not heard a Dragon or the ZX680 series. If I were able (I mean afford!) to buy another Nak I would probably look for a 682, not least because I've heard such great things about it. But for me to be persuaded to keep it and since space is at a premium in my small home, it would have to outperform (to my ear) my ZX-9 because I don't want to part with two other non-Nak decks for the following reasons: Arcam Alpha 100 - These are as rare as hens teeth and a top-notch deck. It isn't quite there with W/F but it comes close to my ZX9. However, some argue it is the best Dolby S deck ever produced in terms of Dolby S execution (I doubt that), and it's W/F is slightly better than my other must keep deck, the Pioneer CTS830S, also an effective Dolby S deck. The Arcam was built with the intention of rivalling the CR7, I understand, although it's manual calibration is more reminiscent of a ZX9/7 excepting the Arcam's azimuth is not adjustable as part of the calibration process. The Pioneer is a must have because of it's FLEX circuit, as well as being Pioneer's "flag ship" in the UK for a short while. The FLEX circuit is brilliant at turning dull (often old) recordings into sparklingly fresh music; for that reason alone I wouldn't be without it. I try to use all three decks at least once a month to replay tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 20 July 2007 15:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Andy, You have yet again opened up a fiery can of worms. I agree that the Dragon is an over hyped Nak out there. Yes, the 680/681 and 682 decks sound sonically superior to the Dragon and record much more accurate than the Dragon too. Whenever I have attempted to state this humbly I have been accused of flaunting my decks by some esteemed members who have not even heard these other machines,unfortunately for them. Having said that the Dragon is not the best sounding Nak out there, I would definitely have you go get one because it is a unique machine and should be in ones collection, because it is a great sounding deck. Just not the best by any standards. The ZXL......its the fourth or fifth inthe Nak list Wouter mentioned...but in reality, believe me Andy, it has no peer in the universe. Its in a class all by itself. In fact it created a classs, which even Nakamichi Corp. did not and chose not to outdo to date. Your 682ZX comes very close to the ZXL. Cherish it and never give it up. The ZX9 is a workhorse that never dies IMHO. Great sounding too! Records superb, just shy of the ZXL. I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my rescue!!?? Regards, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jul 21 00:19:50 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:19:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2007 3:19:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: I've got a 580 that had similar problems with the meters that wasn't too bad to repair. What did you do to repair it? Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 21 00:23:19 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <912885.21771.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe the 582 is really an underated and overlook deck of all the Nak decks. I like the 582 more than the 582Z because those two lovely needle meters really standout in the dark although the 582 does not has Dolby-C. I agree with your statement on AKAI. Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: So the 500, 600II, 700II, LX5, BX300, MR1, 482Z, 582, and 680 are all bargains! How wonderful! Akai is #2???? I imagine the glass ferrite might influence that a bit, but Teac and Aiwa cassettes are much more interesting than Akai. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. 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URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 21 01:59:52 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:59:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, >From what I could tell just by looking at the pc board, (no service manual), there were 7 caps in the general area of the level meter connector - C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. I changed all 7 and no more level meter problem! With a quick check between each cap replacement, it was C326 that was causing the problems. I'm not a tech by any means - just a parts changer =:-(). Thanks again for the heads-up. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! In a message dated 7/20/2007 3:19:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: I've got a 580 that had similar problems with the meters that wasn't too bad to repair. What did you do to repair it? Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sat Jul 21 04:40:38 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:40:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom, I'll second that! I've got a Teac A-800 in the loop this very evening. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:23 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands So the 500, 600II, 700II, LX5, BX300, MR1, 482Z, 582, and 680 are all bargains! How wonderful! Akai is #2???? I imagine the glass ferrite might influence that a bit, but Teac and Aiwa cassettes are much more interesting than Akai. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.10/908 - Release Date: 07/19/2007 6:10 PM From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 21 00:47:24 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448079.92197.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, REVOX still have parts even for the B710/A710 as well so I am not surprised that they still have parts for B215/A720. However, they are not cheap though. Mike Graham Nelson wrote: Indeed so. And the last I heard, ReVox were still producing spares at least for the B215. I am told by the UK ReVox service engineer there are still thousands of them in service for professional applications - e.g. at airports, the Police, etc, and that it may be some time before they are replaced with newer technology due to the cost of doing so. So, from the point of view of spares (and longevity anyway, given they are so reliable) I'd think a B215 was a good investment. In my case it wasn't - I bought a real puppy off a guy in France. It worked for a while, and when it did it was excellent. But it soon died and the parts needed to repair it were worth more than the deck itself. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 20 July 2007 14:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Wouter and fellow Naktalk members, I am curious that the Revox name doesnt even come in in the top ten. If anything the Revox decks will give a run for the money to Nak decks, both in the recordign and playback departments and the last two Revox decks the B215 and the B760( or was that the B780?) are so well built with direct drive 4 motors, no Nak can come close in their build quality! What a shame these machines are not as well appreciated as they deserve to be. Yet the Revox decks are some of the best built and best sounding decks ever made. Regards, Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 08:00:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <862937.49754.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very interesting and valid observations here guys! The Akai certainly got to #2 spot thanks to marketing. Some like the sound of the glass heads because back then, the treble peaking made it sound good through mediocre speakers. You couldn't beat the 25 year guarantee Akai gave on its heads! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: hitech at bellsouth.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:23:19 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands I believe the 582 is really an underated and overlook deck of all the Nak decks. I like the 582 more than the 582Z because those two lovely needle meters really standout in the dark although the 582 does not has Dolby-C. I agree with your statement on AKAI. Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: So the 500, 600II, 700II, LX5, BX300, MR1, 482Z, 582, and 680 are all bargains! How wonderful! Akai is #2???? I imagine the glass ferrite might influence that a bit, but Teac and Aiwa cassettes are much more interesting than Akai. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Running the vintagecassette site gives some nice statistics, thanks to Google analytics. While Nak is still the more popular visited brand other brands are close: 1. Nakamichi 2. Akai 3. Sony 4. Pioneer 5. Technics 6. Teac 7. Marantz 8. Yamaha 9. Denon 10. Aiwa Popular Naks are: 1. Dragon 2. CR-7 3. ZX-9 4. 1000ZXL Limited 5. DR-2 6. 1000 7. RX-505 8. DR-1 9. 682ZX 10. 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Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jul 21 08:07:17 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:07:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: Hi Ram, Another nice deck no one has mentioned - the Phase Linear 7000 II. Only auto B.L.E. but sounds very nice and well built. Very similar to Pioneer CT-A1 which is superb and sounds a bit like the DRAGON in my opinion. But my days of other brands are over having just reduced the collection of decks to naks only BUT.......Never has a Dolby S deck, how good is it? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 08:34:28 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <306558.36330.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, Ok I am not going launch into a 1000ZXL tirade here :D Yes the Dragon is a very good deck, and there are times when I come home from work wanting to listen to the Dragon. And most of us here who listen to music, sometimes like it NAACed , not ABLEed! Thankfully, the 1000ZXL uses the same belt as the 58x, 66x, 67x and 68x series decks. And machines like the 670zx and 680zx are wonderful because they do not seem to care too much about the quality of belt you throw at them. I have a 680zx that runs an aftermarket belt and still performs impeccably after 4 years. This brings to my mind the huge ruckus that was blown about belts some time ago. Totally unneeded. I am not too sure about collectors, but most of us want to listen to music. A deck that cost twice the price of a CR7 when new isn't all about showing off or brag factor. Its about getting the maximum performance from cassette tapes and the ZXL is built for it. Its about performance. Those who want a street commute can pick a Nissan Sunny - nice car, no complains and affordable. But when there is a passion for driving, you want a Skyline - no compromise, tuned and ready for maximum driving pleasure. The Dragon is undoubtedly a very good deck and I have had many fine moments with it. When the ZXL was built, it was built to the same level has reliability as the other decks. Those who know the machine in depth will concur with me. Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Bala ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 11:55:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <183438.83666.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Its perfect timing that you mentioned about the Phase Linear. The 7000 series came out at a time when Bob Carver sold off Phase Linear to Pioneer. The CT-A1 I believe was never sold in the US. The PL deck was based on the CT-A1. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:07:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hi Ram, Another nice deck no one has mentioned - the Phase Linear 7000 II. Only auto B.L.E. but sounds very nice and well built. Very similar to Pioneer CT-A1 which is superb and sounds a bit like the DRAGON in my opinion. But my days of other brands are over having just reduced the collection of decks to naks only BUT.......Never has a Dolby S deck, how good is it? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jul 21 09:33:32 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:33:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 21 12:19:19 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:19:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <29750.65402.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <29750.65402.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5rm3a3lhj0738e4hge1lj0a414m2m36k60@4ax.com> I receive a recommendation for the TEAC V-8030S, does it is a competitor ? Also read some people saying about some Tascam able to run double speed. Speed is important for tape quality but probably no if the rest don't follow. A link I don't share opinion if all material was same well aligned : http://reviews.ebay.com/Revox-Nakamichi-and-Tandberg-the-Pros-and-Cons_W0QQugidZ10000000001829134?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:2 I eared by an ex Tanberg agent : it's casi impossible to find Tanberg's cassettes pieces replacement. About Revox B215 : does his strong transport make harder to un align heads ? Bernard Le Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT), vous avez ecrit: > Aside from Nakamichis, I am sure others here have listened to famous decks like the Aiwa Excelia? Or the Teac Z6000/Z7000? Its amazing that during these times, our favorite decks pushed others to try very hard and come out with these amazing machines. The specs are not so spectacular, but their sound is simply mind numbing! Other wonderful decks to try are Technics which borrowed engineering from their superb reel decks, Sony and Denon. > > Denon went on to become superb at the art of analogue mastering and then decided to throw most of it away to concentrate on digital. To date, they still make and sell brand new mastering reel decks though. Strange! > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Wouter Heijke > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:49:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > Well Ram, no need for discussion here since these are the facts, Dragon > IS the most looked for deck on naks.com as well for years. > As far as my experience goes Dragon is the (only?) Nak 'ordinary' people > know if they know the brand at all... When I bought decks like 480's, > CR-1/2's from these kind of people and talked a bit they always (!) > asked if i knew the Dragon and owned one... also the RX series are > famous in this audience ('those decks that flip the tape'). > > And BTW, my ZX-9 (and 7 also) suffered some kind of cap disease, similar > to the ones talked about right now (slowly degrading bias etc). But > still they are very reliable machines to me. > > Wouter > > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > > > > I am sure I am going to be attacked now. Tom, Bala, Wouter, Gra' to my > > rescue!!?? > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Sat Jul 21 12:24:33 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:24:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias In-Reply-To: <986009.82458.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <986009.82458.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Kannan, This post is very usefull and make my ideas far more clear. Regards. Le Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:48:11 -0700 (PDT), vous avez ecrit: > All calibration problem with bias adjust feature of Naks > 1. Bias Oscillators of ZX9/ ZX7 , 582/581 (48X series, 68X,67X series) all have Orange caps ( in Bias Osc - fail regularly) and can slowly fail - causes first drop in bias voltage / causes drop in erase current/ bias current. So it can give problems to metal tapes first. Then after a while will fail completely - with no recording function. Need High impedance VTVM to check erase current to verify this. > 2. Second problem is azimuth ( record or play head ) slight change in azimuth can cause drop in 15 Khz response and find it difficult to adjust to 0DB ( actually -20dB!) > > 3. Dragon has a sealed ( or mechanically enclosed) Bias unit with no orange cap in it. It does fail due to some other reason rather than cap failure. Looks like many just attribute bias problem to Orange cap without knowing Dragon issues. I also notice many dragon record head azimuth misaligned. I have also seen many RX505 have similar problems. Dragon playback amplifiers do not fail with orange cap issue ( even though orange caps are present ) - because these caps do not see wild voltage fluctuations. Again i see large number of postings attributing orange caps to every problem encountered. I also notice many attribute problem in Dragon to unrelated causes - do not know why. Dragon - please send it to trained technicians ( with suitable tools) rather than attempting any of these so called cap replacement or band aid methods. > > 5. have been seeing many electrolytic cap failures in Dragon/ CR7 - mainly power supply/ or power rails smoothing caps. So do not assume unless you know how to trouble shoot and understand electronics. > > 6. I have not seen any Orange Cap failures on CR 7A - so far ! > > Graham - your ZX9 may have slight head alignment issue or switch contact issue. Also note the capstan belt ( zx9 has only on DD motor and the other capstan is driven by a belt) issue causing head to tape contact issue causing problem with metal tape azimuth adjust. Since all Naks need some form of tools to align - your Deck may need service atttention if the problem repeats. Also keep it running dialy so that things do not fail suddenly. I also note that ZX 7/9 has bad switches. Switch contact issue can be another possibility. I wish I stay in UK - could have done check up and alignment work free for you. I know your ZX9 is special and wish another 20 years trouble free service my friend > Kannan > > David Thompson wrote: > I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked > the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero > when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 > right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the > same result turned fully to the left. > > Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a > different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. > The recording sounds pretty good though. > I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jul 21 12:36:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:36:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: Bala, The service manual for the PL 7000 II proves this nicely as one of the photo's of the facia actually showed the CT-A1 in error. The Pioneer was very sweet but UGLY as hell unlike its CT-F range brethren. They were all easy to work on though and performed well. I had 5 1250's at one stage but got fed up with replacing rubber which deteriorated quickly if left idle. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jul 21 13:36:39 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:36:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal bias setting Message-ID: Thanks to Kannan and Bala for tips on meters registering too high for the Metal bias on my 582. I will check this out after I return from a work trip this week. David From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 04:51:30 2007 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:51:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: Some updates: 1. the mode change noise is gone after some oil as advised by gurus here 2.NAAC clicking noise also rectified after slight adjustment to PB azimuth 3. low bias repaired after some work on bias circuit wooohaaa...is this my lucky day or what...all sorted out this afternoon....this Dragon is running swell now, also very low usage unit at a very very nice price.. Thanks all Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 14:48:24 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <998135.40407.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I have to admit I have never heard one of those ever. And when I have not heard one I do believe its a good one, if a person with your experience and knowledge who has heard tells me this. I wish I had the resources and time to buy every top of the line deck out there ( Like Victor -aka- gimme_my_tape_deck) and listen one a day like a vitamin pill! Regards, Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Ram, Another nice deck no one has mentioned - the Phase Linear 7000 II. Only auto B.L.E. but sounds very nice and well built. Very similar to Pioneer CT-A1 which is superb and sounds a bit like the DRAGON in my opinion. But my days of other brands are over having just reduced the collection of decks to naks only BUT.......Never has a Dolby S deck, how good is it? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 14:51:32 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <306558.36330.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <408446.28167.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I could never have said it like you have ! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Ok I am not going launch into a 1000ZXL tirade here :D Yes the Dragon is a very good deck, and there are times when I come home from work wanting to listen to the Dragon. And most of us here who listen to music, sometimes like it NAACed , not ABLEed! Thankfully, the 1000ZXL uses the same belt as the 58x, 66x, 67x and 68x series decks. And machines like the 670zx and 680zx are wonderful because they do not seem to care too much about the quality of belt you throw at them. I have a 680zx that runs an aftermarket belt and still performs impeccably after 4 years. This brings to my mind the huge ruckus that was blown about belts some time ago. Totally unneeded. I am not too sure about collectors, but most of us want to listen to music. A deck that cost twice the price of a CR7 when new isn't all about showing off or brag factor. Its about getting the maximum performance from cassette tapes and the ZXL is built for it. Its about performance. Those who want a street commute can pick a Nissan Sunny - nice car, no complains and affordable. But when there is a passion for driving, you want a Skyline - no compromise, tuned and ready for maximum driving pleasure. The Dragon is undoubtedly a very good deck and I have had many fine moments with it. When the ZXL was built, it was built to the same level has reliability as the other decks. Those who know the machine in depth will concur with me. Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Bala --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 21 15:04:42 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <332751.38044.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben: The auto B.L.E. on the later PIONEER CT-9R is better refined than the earlier CT-A1 and is quite cheap and plentiful in the U.S. Whether one likes how it sounds it subjective so I believe it better leave it to the listener to decide. The CT-9R has Dolby-C while the CT-A1 lacks. Cheers. Both PIONEER machines are built before 1982 so they both might use the IEC-I ( 1976 ) equalization ( I have no proof on this claim so far; just based on my own judgement ) so a recording made on the NAK deck might sound o.k. when playback on these two models. Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Ram, Another nice deck no one has mentioned - the Phase Linear 7000 II. Only auto B.L.E. but sounds very nice and well built. Very similar to Pioneer CT-A1 which is superb and sounds a bit like the DRAGON in my opinion. But my days of other brands are over having just reduced the collection of decks to naks only BUT.......Never has a Dolby S deck, how good is it? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 19:29:01 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <749067.14943.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jul 21 17:36:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:36:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak 670ZX on ebay! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/2007 8:58:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: >From what I could tell just by looking at the pc board, (no service manual), there were 7 caps in the general area of the level meter connector - C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. I changed all 7 and no more level meter problem! With a quick check between each cap replacement, it was C326 that was causing the problems. I'm not a tech by any means - just a parts changer =:-(). Thanks again for the heads-up. You've given me some good ideas here. Thanks. I'm a parts changer too, and lately I've just been taking my old decks to Willy Herman for repair, since the day he and I had a conversation about the cap on the reel motor of a BX-300 which ESL had repaired for me. ESL had replaced the original cap with one which was not standard, to say the least. I realized Willy saw the deck as a whole system in his mind and really understood the relationship of the different parts, while up until that moment I just saw the parts. Since then, I kind of lost interest in DIY repairs on anything except the cheapest decks and I just pay Willy to do it better than I can. Plus my eyes are old and getting worse - not real good for soldering. JW ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jul 21 18:32:38 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:32:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: Hi Mike, Spot on there about the interchangeability of tapes when both makes of deck are IEC-1 (1976), I have found no problems there although now I have sold the other makes. The Dolby S decks are all IEC (1981) I suppose so it makes no sense to mix up the equilibrium of being able to use any tape on any deck. I don't have any more room either. I would like to swap a 680 for a 682 to gain the Dolby C function but this will be for the future after my impending house move. Soon all the decks will have to be packed up for shipping. BTW the next Nakathon has commenced - See Audiotalk. The tape is now on it's way to Graham to do his thing and pass on. Any more participants would be welcome. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Jul 21 18:57:50 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:57:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <408446.28167.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <216959.36264.qm@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thanks Bala You beat me to it! Game, Set and Nak'ed, methinks Nakamichi Christmas cards and Ties anybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Terry shanti ramachandran wrote: Bala, I could never have said it like you have ! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Ok I am not going launch into a 1000ZXL tirade here :D Yes the Dragon is a very good deck, and there are times when I come home from work wanting to listen to the Dragon. And most of us here who listen to music, sometimes like it NAACed , not ABLEed! Thankfully, the 1000ZXL uses the same belt as the 58x, 66x, 67x and 68x series decks. And machines like the 670zx and 680zx are wonderful because they do not seem to care too much about the quality of belt you throw at them. I have a 680zx that runs an aftermarket belt and still performs impeccably after 4 years. This brings to my mind the huge ruckus that was blown about belts some time ago. Totally unneeded. I am not too sure about collectors, but most of us want to listen to music. A deck that cost twice the price of a CR7 when new isn't all about showing off or brag factor. Its about getting the maximum performance from cassette tapes and the ZXL is built for it. Its about performance. Those who want a street commute can pick a Nissan Sunny - nice car, no complains and affordable. But when there is a passion for driving, you want a Skyline - no compromise, tuned and ready for maximum driving pleasure. The Dragon is undoubtedly a very good deck and I have had many fine moments with it. When the ZXL was built, it was built to the same level has reliability as the other decks. Those who know the machine in depth will concur with me. Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Bala --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 19:11:26 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <959455.99716.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listening is believing and I need not say anymore. Jeff, for your kind information, I have two Dragons too and love them to death.....just a little less than other decks. yes thats my subjective opinion. We could go on and on like a broken record but you know what. Its time to now move on man. Lets Nak not nit pick. we need to come together and not drift apart with our biases towards any particular decks. Lets listen and accept each other's educated statements rather than putting any one Nak up or down and any one or more individuals up or down.....for simply sharing their truly valuable opinions in this great forum. Finally, let us not personally attack anyone for having or not having any Nak for any reason. I agree to disagree with all of you Dragon proponents regarding the supremacy of the Dragon, with the thought that I love the Dragon too and sometimes like Bala said, come home in a Dragon mood after work and listen to it the entire evening with immense pleasure. I am absolutely now done with this which is better debate and will refrain from this topic. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 19:20:05 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:20:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: Message-ID: <005801c7cbbb$64416a40$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very > unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks > keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking > down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. I second this. Whether the 1000ZXL is superior or not is, IMHO, largely irrelevant because there aren't enough of them available for everyone to own one, some parts are scarce or completely unavailable, and they are just too far out of the reach price wise for all but a few collectors. Ram and others are certainly free to have their opinion that the 1000ZXL is superior to the other decks, but I am also sick and tired of being hit over the head with it. To those who own and enjoy the 1000ZXL, I think that's great, but to those of you who continually flaunt your 1000ZXL superiority (note that this only applies to a few people, with Ram being the worst offender), please show more tolerance for the rest of us and get off your high horses. As Jeff said, this is the naktalk list, not the 1000ZXL elitist list. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jul 21 20:17:34 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:17:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 7/21/2007 11:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: I agree to disagree with all of you Dragon proponents regarding the supremacy of the Dragon, with the thought that I love the Dragon too and sometimes like Bala said, come home in a Dragon mood after work and listen to it the entire evening with immense pleasure. Hey Ram, Enjoy your decks! You've put a lot of money and time into them. Relax and listen to some music. all the best Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jul 21 20:18:30 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:18:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 7/21/2007 10:32:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hi Bala, I totally agree. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 21 20:20:21 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <749067.14943.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070721182021.65697.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Bravo! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 21 20:58:04 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <749067.14943.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <579821.94113.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bala: I did have the opportunity to listen to a NAK 1000ZXL ( not the limited ) in the past ( more than 1 time for sure ) and I can tell you that setup composed of a CELLO audio suite, a CELLO audio palette and a pair of Mark Levinson ML2 mono power amps and B&W 801 speakers ( the other decks are TANDBERG 3014A and a pair of mod DRAGONs ) but someone still say that I do not know what I am talking about even I did not say anything BAD about the 1000ZXL !!!! Now, do you think that I qualify to say that I know how a 1000ZXL sounds and I can say whether it is a great deck or not so great deck? But anyway I don't think it worth my effort to continue to debate about this. So far I have not seen much 1000ZXL bashing in the forum while I did see a lot of DRAGON bashing though ( not in defense of a DRAGON here ). I never say that the DRAGON is the greatest deck in the past over here. I did say that the DRAGON is the best in PLAYBACK pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes. Now that is my own opinion. Again am I qualify to make that statement for I do own 3 DRAGONs. I prefer as some other forum members suggest that we should move on and if anyone says that the 1000ZXL is great, that is fine and if anyone says that it is not that great, just let it be. I like to own a 1000ZXL in the future as well if I could find a good condition one !!!! Your attention is much appreciated. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Jul 21 21:34:54 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:34:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> References: <46A06947.4000308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <46A25FDE.6010807@xs4all.nl> Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply again I would have not posted this message. About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice side so I love it. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Popular Naks are: > > 1. Dragon > 2. CR-7 > 3. ZX-9 > 4. 1000ZXL Limited > 5. DR-2 > 6. 1000 > 7. RX-505 > 8. DR-1 > 9. 682ZX > 10. CR-2 > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 21 22:30:24 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:30:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan club, I can't help but grin... Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's Requiem) not a single person could tell the original from the recording. I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so close to ideal that I can't expect any great improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to know that I am going to be underwhelmed. One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of course, YMMV. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > for more constructive criticism please! > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > personally, I'm sick of it. > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > you argued against. > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > Jeff W From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 21 23:13:13 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:13:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A25FDE.6010807@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <005301c7cbdb$f4246250$a900a8c0@Shaun> If I remember correctly, the message that started the whole debate was nothing more sinister than asking the question "What is your favourite Nak and why". In relation to that original message it positively asks you to state your favourite Nak. It certainly did not ask for or imply that a reply constituted a "mine is better than yours" missive. So from that point of view, almost any response would be acceptable and does not/did not set out to upstage anybody with the opinion offered. However, if the debate/debacle that ensued succeeded in anything, then surely it was, if you want to know what it sounds like then go and listen to one and judge for yourself what you think of it. Personally I am happy with my BX-300 in the lounge, BX-2 in the study and 550 in the field. I am not sure that I want to be seduced by something I probably don't want to spend that much money on, regardless of whether I can afford it or not (and to be honest, I could probably just about afford any Nak at my age). Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: 21 July 2007 20:35 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply again I would have not posted this message. About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice side so I love it. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Popular Naks are: > > 1. Dragon > 2. CR-7 > 3. ZX-9 > 4. 1000ZXL Limited > 5. DR-2 > 6. 1000 > 7. RX-505 > 8. DR-1 > 9. 682ZX > 10. CR-2 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jul 21 23:22:59 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:22:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005401c7cbdd$5184b110$a900a8c0@Shaun> Ron, It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. Expectation is simply not a sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so. If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have because it satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different matter. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 21 July 2007 21:30 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan club, I can't help but grin... Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's Requiem) not a single person could tell the original from the recording. I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so close to ideal that I can't expect any great improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to know that I am going to be underwhelmed. One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of course, YMMV. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > for more constructive criticism please! > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > personally, I'm sick of it. > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > you argued against. > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully > ESL > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jul 21 23:24:30 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:24:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon with some minor issues Message-ID: <8505542.1185053070950.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Great day for you and the Dragon! Enjoy your deck and cherish being an owner. I've had a Aiwa AD6550, BX300, CR7A and finally a Dragon. I still have the squeak noise like yours, just my laziness and reluctance to pop the Nakamichi cherry on it. I love my Dragon but I have find that it is very sensitive to calibration adjustments. I wish the LED bar graph showed more resolution. But it sure do record very well and playback of store bought tapes is phenominal!! ---- lee wrote: > Some updates: > 1. the mode change noise is gone after some oil as advised by gurus here > 2.NAAC clicking noise also rectified after slight adjustment to PB azimuth > 3. low bias repaired after some work on bias circuit > > wooohaaa...is this my lucky day or what...all sorted out this afternoon....this Dragon is running swell now, also very low usage unit at a very very nice price.. > > Thanks all > Lee From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jul 21 23:55:38 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> Message-ID: <155319.8199.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron: With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as features evolved out from technologies. But of course this is just my opinion. :)) Mike Ron wrote: As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan club, I can't help but grin... Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's Requiem) not a single person could tell the original from the recording. I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so close to ideal that I can't expect any great improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to know that I am going to be underwhelmed. One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of course, YMMV. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > for more constructive criticism please! > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > personally, I'm sick of it. > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > you argued against. > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 22 02:02:19 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:02:19 +0100 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: No, they are not cheap. I guess that is a consequence of short production runs to re-create the spares stock. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 20 July 2007 23:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Yes, REVOX still have parts even for the B710/A710 as well so I am not surprised that they still have parts for B215/A720. However, they are not cheap though. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 22 02:30:11 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:30:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <005401c7cbdd$5184b110$a900a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: I am entirely neutral with regard to the debate about the ZXL and Dragon issue given I've not heard either. But surely a cassette deck that produces sound that is genuinely indistinguishable from the source must be a "perfect" recorder by definition. Therefore, purely on a point of logic I see nothing wrong with Ron's argument that, if a cassette deck performs so well it cannot be distinguished from the source no other cassette deck could exceed it. The best to be hoped for would be to equal it's attainment of "perfection." That said, if any of you guys feel a philanthropic desire to donate a Dragon or ZXL to a cassette lover you can send them to poor little me and I'll be as partial as you like!!! I will delight in trying them out for myself comparing each to my lovely ZX-9 !!! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 21 July 2007 22:23 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Ron, It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. Expectation is simply not a sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so. If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have because it satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different matter. Shaun - From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 08:07:45 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <220113.73892.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Mike, You have my attention here. Nice set-up Mike, and would have appreciated if you told everyone here this before. You didn't ;) But did you say modded Dragons? There has been lots of ZXL bashing which went on both on the forum and in the form of personal mails, by Naktalkers. The fact was, I discovered, they allegations about the ZXL was downright untrue! And the ZXL, when given a proper lube and electronics alignment, is really a wonderful machine. Dear Kermit once mentioned, "when you listen to the other machines, you know you are listening to a cassette deck. when you listen to the ZXL, its almost like listening to reel to reel!" I didn't quite believe it at first, but when I heard the ZXL, it was a shocker. I guess you have been seeing the reflex action of all the ZXL bashing that went on prior to that. And it isn't only coming from ZXL owners. When our fellow Naktalkers talked about the 6802ZX being a better deck, they aren't from some '682ZX fan club'. They have listened to their decks and know what they like. If you heard the machines, and make a honest enough judgment to yourself, thats fine. I am voicing out against those who have not heard the machines but start making comments of them. One very quiet member these days is Alex - a staunch proponent of the Dragon. Some may not know that he had a bad run with a new ZXL , in was it 1995? To date he had said that the ZXL had a better sound, but he prefers the Dragon which better suits him. I appreciate that genial character because he states what he has heard, but sticks to his personal preference. He may not have the best English in this forum, but I have my deepest respects for him. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hi Bala: I did have the opportunity to listen to a NAK 1000ZXL ( not the limited ) in the past ( more than 1 time for sure ) and I can tell you that setup composed of a CELLO audio suite, a CELLO audio palette and a pair of Mark Levinson ML2 mono power amps and B&W 801 speakers ( the other decks are TANDBERG 3014A and a pair of mod DRAGONs ) but someone still say that I do not know what I am talking about even I did not say anything BAD about the 1000ZXL !!!! Now, do you think that I qualify to say that I know how a 1000ZXL sounds and I can say whether it is a great deck or not so great deck? But anyway I don't think it worth my effort to continue to debate about this. So far I have not seen much 1000ZXL bashing in the forum while I did see a lot of DRAGON bashing though ( not in defense of a DRAGON here ). I never say that the DRAGON is the greatest deck in the past over here. I did say that the DRAGON is the best in PLAYBACK pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes. Now that is my own opinion. Again am I qualify to make that statement for I do own 3 DRAGONs. I prefer as some other forum members suggest that we should move on and if anyone says that the 1000ZXL is great, that is fine and if anyone says that it is not that great, just let it be. I like to own a 1000ZXL in the future as well if I could find a good condition one !!!! Your attention is much appreciated. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Got a little couch potato? 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URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 02:56:03 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:56:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: Message-ID: <003001c7cbfb$16ee8a30$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> It speaks volumes about how Revox treats their customers to still have parts for such old products. IMO, this is nearly as important as how good the product is as without parts for repair, the product would eventually become useless. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From: "Graham Nelson" > No, they are not cheap. I guess that is a consequence of short production > runs to re-create the spares stock. > > Gra' > From: LENA WONG >> Yes, REVOX still have parts even for the B710/A710 as well so I am not >> surprised that they still have parts for B215/A720. However, they are not >> cheap though. From greynlds at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 03:23:36 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:23:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands References: <925816.42133.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c7cbfe$ef2c0640$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> For someone who keeps saying he isn't going to say another word about something, you seem to be having a hard time doing so. Very clever (and mature) changing my email address while quoting me . You have quite a nak (hey, I made a funny) for posting something that can only be intended to stir the group up. Without failure, you seem to send another message a few days later stating that there's no need to be arguing, declaring the end of the discussion. It usually goes something like this: RAM posts: "The 1000ZXL is the best, the Dragon is crap." Some NakTalk members disagree and some good and bad points are made, but some people's feelings get hurt along the way. RAM posts: "Hey, no need to argue, we're all friends, all Naks are great. Oh by the way, the 1000ZXL is the best and that's a fact! I declare this the end of this discussion and I have nothing more to say on this topic." RAM continues to post, apparently forgetting that he declared the discussion closed (despite not being moderator or owner of this list) AND that he had nothing more to say. This seemingly never ending loop isn't good for the Nak community and based on some of the posts we're seeing in this thread, more than a few people are tired of it. I'm a member of this list because I own a CR-3 (which was given to me by a friend several years ago when he moved to a smaller place and had to give up some of his audio gear) and a CR-7 and want to keep up with what the common problems might be with them, keep abreast of who the good repair people are, and enjoy (note I said enjoy) discussion of other products in the Nak line (including the Dragon, 1000ZXL, and all other models). It simply isn't constructive to be so forceful about which deck is best as NO deck is the best for all situations, regardless of how much money one has to devote to the hobby. When I first joined several years ago, most of the discussion of the various decks was much more open minded than it's been for the last year - let's get back to the point where everyone got along and people simply enjoyed each of their decks. This is supposed to be about enjoying the music, enjoying using well conceived electronic and mechanical products, and enjoying the company of others with similar interests, not about bickering over mine is bigger than yours... -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "shanti ramachandran" To: "Geoffrey Reynolds" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > I wish I had a horse. No luck here. > Ram > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > very > > unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other > decks > > keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to > talking > > down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. > > I second this. Whether the 1000ZXL is superior or not is, IMHO, largely > irrelevant because there aren't enough of them available for everyone to own > one, some parts are scarce or completely unavailable, and they are just too > far out of the reach price wise for all but a few collectors. Ram and > others are certainly free to have their opinion that the 1000ZXL is superior > to the other decks, but I am also sick and tired of being hit over the head > with it. To those who own and enjoy the 1000ZXL, I think that's great, but > to those of you who continually flaunt your 1000ZXL superiority (note that > this only applies to a few people, with Ram being the worst offender), > please show more tolerance for the rest of us and get off your high horses. > As Jeff said, this is the naktalk list, not the 1000ZXL elitist list. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 01:22:35 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <249245.21346.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks jeff, I surely do and hopefully will. U do the same my friend. i just did listen to the Dragon this afternoon. Great deck. great sound. lol Ram its jus that Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/21/2007 11:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: I agree to disagree with all of you Dragon proponents regarding the supremacy of the Dragon, with the thought that I love the Dragon too and sometimes like Bala said, come home in a Dragon mood after work and listen to it the entire evening with immense pleasure. Hey Ram, Enjoy your decks! You've put a lot of money and time into them. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 01:32:18 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A25FDE.6010807@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <212991.58678.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, I second this opinion too. I love all my naks. each and every one of them. they are all unique and sound different. Some IMHO are superior to the others. I still love every one and I take my turns depending upon my mood of the day. regards Ram Wouter Heijke wrote: Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply again I would have not posted this message. About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice side so I love it. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Popular Naks are: > > 1. Dragon > 2. CR-7 > 3. ZX-9 > 4. 1000ZXL Limited > 5. DR-2 > 6. 1000 > 7. RX-505 > 8. DR-1 > 9. 682ZX > 10. CR-2 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nik_martinov at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 04:35:10 2007 From: nik_martinov at hotmail.com (Nik Martinov) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:35:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TDK six SA-X100 and six SA-X90 FOR SALE FACTORY SEALED Message-ID: Hey guys, I have 12 cassettes for sale. $49 for all 12 including shipping if paying by MO or check and $50.75 if paying by paypal. These are packed in packs of three. the packages are perfectly sealed and untouched. Made in Japan. TDK IEC II/Type II, High Position High (CrO2) EQ: 70us - Extra High Resolution - Lowest Noise High Bias Cassette - Dual Layered Super Avilyn Formulation - Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism II Thanks, Nik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 07:54:27 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:54:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: Hello Folks! Again I write why I hear during 1984, when I was a little bit more "Younger'...with better hears of course...Je...Je...Je...! Now to point...I was delighted to compare side by side a new Dragon versus a 1000ZXL...we took one same cassettes from the same 12 units box TDK SA-X 100 minutes...once we recorded side "A" with the 1000ZXL after that using the same interconnects we kook up the Dragon & record side "B"...same source of course!. After so...we (half dozen "Audiophiles" mad's), after finish an lovely dinner & after a few cups of Green tea...we sit to hear both decks...playback of course...!. So...to MY hears...definitively I can assure to all of you...that the 1000ZXL SOUND BETTER...FULLEST SOUND...that the Dragon. Of course...IF...& ONLY IF...you never hear both side by side...a Dragon can be 100% providing an a superb quality sound. It's 100% comprehended that BOTH units MUST be 100% calibrated, and during 1984 those units were...today it's sadly "ANOTHER" issue. 1000ZXL it's "HARD" to bring again 100% calibrated at the same level...when the unit leave the factory...or was possible to be returned to the "Factory"...(Expensive but the "Best" possible!), to be repaired & calibrated like "NEW"...today only a very few of you can bring back the "Collector" deck 1000ZXL normal one or the "Golden" one to the same standards or better that was possible during 1984. But during "Meantime"...the Dragon can be do it as right today it's possible to obtain originally spare parts. which seems me that is extremely important...or I'm wrong?. I say it!ALEX! > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:22:59 +0100> > Ron,> > It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential> or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. Expectation is simply not a> sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so.> > If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have because it> satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different> matter.> > Shaun> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> Sent: 21 July 2007 21:30> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands> > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan> club, I can't help but grin...> > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The> panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of> young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran> two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the> same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to> 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference.> > In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch> set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set> to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's> Requiem) not a single person could tell the original> from the recording.> > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the> 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter> That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so> close to ideal that I can't expect any great> improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's> response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the> CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are> immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to> know that I am going to be underwhelmed.> > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not> a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it,> side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the> CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective.> To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt> more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The> Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither> the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of> course, YMMV.> > -- Ron> > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote:> > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,> > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes:> > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different> > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built> > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and> > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he> > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for> > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays> > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the> > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the> > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a> > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then> > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now> > for more constructive criticism please!> > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed> > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very> > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully > > ESL> > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL!> > > > Jeff W> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 11:27:43 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <789392.18857.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There you go! Alex, you made valid point about the ZXL being more difficult to bring to factory spec. On the outset, what looks like a complex brew of parts, its actually shares many similar components to the other Nak decks. The unique parts are the computers which are based on a very reliable microprocessor. This same processor also powers the logics of the Aiwa AD- F990 / FF90, 6700 and 6900 family of decks among others. I've had a F990 for 24 years and not a spot of trouble. From my experience in working with Nak decks, they are all built to a certain standard of reliability. They are all Nakamichis! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:54:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Hello Folks! Again I write why I hear during 1984, when I was a little bit more "Younger'...with better hears of course...Je...Je...Je...! Now to point...I was delighted to compare side by side a new Dragon versus a 1000ZXL...we took one same cassettes from the same 12 units box TDK SA-X 100 minutes...once we recorded side "A" with the 1000ZXL after that using the same interconnects we kook up the Dragon & record side "B"...same source of course!. After so...we (half dozen "Audiophiles" mad's), after finish an lovely dinner & after a few cups of Green tea...we sit to hear both decks...playback of course...!. So...to MY hears...definitively I can assure to all of you...that the 1000ZXL SOUND BETTER...FULLEST SOUND...that the Dragon. Of course...IF...& ONLY IF...you never hear both side by side...a Dragon can be 100% providing an a superb quality sound. It's 100% comprehended that BOTH units MUST be 100% calibrated, and during 1984 those units were...today it's sadly "ANOTHER" issue. 1000ZXL it's "HARD" to bring again 100% calibrated at the same level...when the unit leave the factory...or was possible to be returned to the "Factory"...(Expensive but the "Best" possible!), to be repaired & calibrated like "NEW"...today only a very few of you can bring back the "Collector" deck 1000ZXL normal one or the "Golden" one to the same standards or better that was possible during 1984. But during "Meantime"...the Dragon can be do it as right today it's possible to obtain originally spare parts. which seems me that is extremely important...or I'm wrong?. I say it! ALEX! > From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:22:59 +0100 > > Ron, > > It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential > or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. Expectation is simply not a > sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so. > > If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have because it > satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different > matter. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 21 July 2007 21:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The > panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of > young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran > two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the > same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to > 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch > set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set > to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully > > ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________ NOD32 2411 (20070721) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Missed the show? 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If such a thread runs and runs about these machines then they will soon be exhausted and the subject will progress to something else. What may be less interesting to me may well be very interesting to others so who am I to influence that? Looking back through the archives, I would say that there is a very fair spread of topics and machines discussed. Finally, (For Now) I would like to encourage ownership of this fine deck (And Others) to keep as many alive as possible (Cost Notwithstanding). Personally I have not found any spare parts to be unobtainable that have been required so far, admittedly there are discrete parts in there but they seem to be reliable, as there are in many decks. Keep up the good work -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vorontsov at kharkov.ua Sun Jul 22 10:46:20 2007 From: vorontsov at kharkov.ua (Sergei Vorontsov) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:46:20 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> References: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> Message-ID: <824447656.20070722114620@kharkov.ua> Hi Ron, R> Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some R> listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people R> included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young R> women -- statistically the groups that have the best R> hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the R> first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed R> through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set R> to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any R> difference. Many years ago there was no sound source which could offer enough sonic detail. Last year when I got my CR-7 we did the same test with a friend who has a very good ear. The sound source was a VRDS (vibration free rigid disc clamping system) CD transport with a built-in top notch quality DA converter. There was a small difference between the source and the same sound fed through the CR-7 electronics. The latter had somewhat less sound resolution but still it was very, very close to the CD source. After I shared this observation with a couple of Naktalk member they said it couldn't be otherwise having in mind the amount of circuitry the signal travels when fed through the CR-7. R> In the second test we compared sound through the deck R> electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded R> on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). R> Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's R> Requiem) not a single person could tell the original R> from the recording. In our audition test we got the same result. R> I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the R> 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter R> That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so R> close to ideal that I can't expect any great R> improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's R> response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the R> CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are R> immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to R> know that I am going to be underwhelmed. I can't agree with this more. R> One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not R> a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, R> side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the R> CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. R> To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt R> more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The R> Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither R> the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of R> course, YMMV. Bravo, Ron. You are a clear thinker. It is hard to imagine that earlier top Naks can offer circuitry which presence would be less noticeable than that of CR-7. Sergei R> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: >> >> Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different >> decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built >> at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and >> different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he >> owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for >> cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays >> the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the >> maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the >> end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a >> Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then >> beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now >> for more constructive criticism please! >> >> Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed >> very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the >> other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this >> amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and >> personally, I'm sick of it. >> >> There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very >> superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any >> deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the >> supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by >> simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates >> for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to >> do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which >> were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was >> designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to >> those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one >> deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot >> be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than >> your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to >> me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means >> a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck >> over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I >> think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all >> provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just >> fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about >> listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. >> And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on >> questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not >> heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks >> are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, >> because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the >> supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the >> proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or >> anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for >> most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years >> from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which >> you argued against. >> >> Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL >> rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the >> best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one >> bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! >> >> Jeff W R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= R> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= R> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist R> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk R> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 12:24:39 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: <735658.57524.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, In another forum which talks about reel decks, such statistics are also published. If a nice top of the line Studer deck comes out tops, a owner of a semi-pro deck like a Revox PR99 like me doesn't start a rampage. Sure we had a little tingling wish that we had the deck too, but no one bashed anyone else or their decks. Same with turntables, tuners, amps, speakers, cameras and you name it. It seems that only here that a few individuals have been vehement costing this forum some valuable members, and silencing the few who know better. One prolific member whom I met up with, left Naktalk in recent months, and named a member as his reason for leaving this forum. This is a free and open forum and everyone is free to air his views. This is a call to indulge in spontaneous discussion. When one member talks about his positive experience with a top of the line deck, I see all kinds of negative repercussions from that. I don't see what is so difficult about co-existing and appreciating each other's machines and their tastes. This forum may boast so many members, but its actually becoming an interesting spectacle arena. This is definitely a final straw. Either those few individuals mellow down or I see the forum going into further decline. Dragon slayers are not welcome here, neither a ZXL-bashers. Constructive criticism is ok but no calling for decks being extinct or crap. If you want examples, check out the Nak archives. These decks are all Nakamichis and any condescending remarks on any decks will be dealt with. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:34:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Well, If I would have known these facts would touch naktalkers so deeply again I would have not posted this message. About bashing, if this would have ever occurred it is just how you handle it. In the past I remember someone bashing one deck over and over again, I could have debated with him every time he repeated his message (i think he even had a template for it) but I did not, I always thought I know better I own this deck and it beats all others. To me all Naks have something special, I bought a CR-1 not so long ago, while I never liked these decks, well when I owned it it had it's nice side so I love it. Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Popular Naks are: > > 1. Dragon > 2. CR-7 > 3. ZX-9 > 4. 1000ZXL Limited > 5. DR-2 > 6. 1000 > 7. RX-505 > 8. DR-1 > 9. 682ZX > 10. CR-2 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 12:34:25 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <220113.73892.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <544963.46217.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Let us now rest this ZXL issue completely as its getting to as some members accuse me of "mine's better than yours" argument. Those who agree fine. Unfortunately, some folks like to take personally what we mention passionately about certain machines and resort to personal attack and slander and misquotes and quoting out of context. To them, I guess ignorance is bliss and so be it. Enough is enough! Lets move along and discuss something productive. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hey Mike, You have my attention here. Nice set-up Mike, and would have appreciated if you told everyone here this before. You didn't ;) But did you say modded Dragons? There has been lots of ZXL bashing which went on both on the forum and in the form of personal mails, by Naktalkers. The fact was, I discovered, they allegations about the ZXL was downright untrue! And the ZXL, when given a proper lube and electronics alignment, is really a wonderful machine. Dear Kermit once mentioned, "when you listen to the other machines, you know you are listening to a cassette deck. when you listen to the ZXL, its almost like listening to reel to reel!" I didn't quite believe it at first, but when I heard the ZXL, it was a shocker. I guess you have been seeing the reflex action of all the ZXL bashing that went on prior to that. And it isn't only coming from ZXL owners. When our fellow Naktalkers talked about the 6802ZX being a better deck, they aren't from some '682ZX fan club'. They have listened to their decks and know what they like. If you heard the machines, and make a honest enough judgment to yourself, thats fine. I am voicing out against those who have not heard the machines but start making comments of them. One very quiet member these days is Alex - a staunch proponent of the Dragon. Some may not know that he had a bad run with a new ZXL , in was it 1995? To date he had said that the ZXL had a better sound, but he prefers the Dragon which better suits him. I appreciate that genial character because he states what he has heard, but sticks to his personal preference. He may not have the best English in this forum, but I have my deepest respects for him. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hi Bala: I did have the opportunity to listen to a NAK 1000ZXL ( not the limited ) in the past ( more than 1 time for sure ) and I can tell you that setup composed of a CELLO audio suite, a CELLO audio palette and a pair of Mark Levinson ML2 mono power amps and B&W 801 speakers ( the other decks are TANDBERG 3014A and a pair of mod DRAGONs ) but someone still say that I do not know what I am talking about even I did not say anything BAD about the 1000ZXL !!!! Now, do you think that I qualify to say that I know how a 1000ZXL sounds and I can say whether it is a great deck or not so great deck? But anyway I don't think it worth my effort to continue to debate about this. So far I have not seen much 1000ZXL bashing in the forum while I did see a lot of DRAGON bashing though ( not in defense of a DRAGON here ). I never say that the DRAGON is the greatest deck in the past over here. I did say that the DRAGON is the best in PLAYBACK pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes. Now that is my own opinion. Again am I qualify to make that statement for I do own 3 DRAGONs. I prefer as some other forum members suggest that we should move on and if anyone says that the 1000ZXL is great, that is fine and if anyone says that it is not that great, just let it be. I like to own a 1000ZXL in the future as well if I could find a good condition one !!!! Your attention is much appreciated. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 14:49:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:49:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <005401c7cbdd$5184b110$a900a8c0@Shaun> References: <005401c7cbdd$5184b110$a900a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <46A35253.4080802@rcn.com> Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Ron, > > It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, preferential > or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. On the contrary, it's VERY logical. To me, the ultimate recorder introduces no difference to the original. If the CR-7 made essentially no such difference and the 1000ZXL will also make no difference, then it is, at best, equal to the CR-7. It cannot possibly improve anything for me. Do you now see my point? Of course, this is true only for my listening room and only for a bunch of people (that I was one of which) and possibly only for the recordings I play. Other rooms or other people or other musical selections may result in a different verdict. That's why I noted that YMMV. > Expectation is simply not a > sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say so. > > If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have... I would love to improve. My point is that from where I sit, no improvement is possible. -- Ron > because it > satisfies all your needs then that, of course, is an entirely different > matter. > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 21 July 2007 21:30 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some listening tests. The > panel of about a dozen people included a 13 years old boy and a couple of > young women -- statistically the groups that have the best hearing. I ran > two tests, both of them blind. In the first, we compared a source vs. the > same sound, fed through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set to > 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck electronics (switch > set to 'source') vs. sound recorded on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set > to 'tape'). Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: >> >> Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different >> decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built >> at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and >> different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he >> owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for >> cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays >> the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the >> maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the >> end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a >> Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then >> beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now >> for more constructive criticism please! >> >> Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed >> very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the >> other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this >> amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and >> personally, I'm sick of it. >> >> There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very >> superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any >> deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the >> supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by >> simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates >> for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to >> do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which >> were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was >> designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to >> those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one >> deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot >> be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than >> your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to >> me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means >> a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck >> over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I >> think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all >> provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just >> fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about >> listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. >> And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on >> questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not >> heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks >> are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, >> because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the >> supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the >> proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or >> anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for >> most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years >> from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which >> you argued against. >> >> Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully >> ESL >> rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the >> best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one >> bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! >> >> Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 15:06:12 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:06:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <155319.8199.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <155319.8199.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A35644.3010205@rcn.com> Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, rather, of definition. I define technology as 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is simply a design that accomplishes a specific purpose. You could just as well call the use of resistors 'a technology'. 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's completely meaningless, but sounds good to the non-technical masses that do not really know what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it of any meaning. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as > features evolved out from technologies. > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > Mike > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > fully ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 15:15:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:15:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46A35876.6060508@rcn.com> I seem to recall that individual keys are not replaceable. Am I right??? -- Ron ASHIS BANERJEE wrote: > Hi- Anybody got the Fader key for the CR-7 to spare- Thanks- Ashis. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: // > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /"drewes" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] CR7/ > Date: /Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:24:49 +0100/ > > Walter > > Not sure what U are after. Can U match ur need to the CR7 SM > partslist & I will check with what I have > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* drewes > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:12 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7 > > Has anybody got 1 or two Cassette whell doors for the CR 7 for > sale? Please email me offline. > thanks > Walter > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 15:36:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:36:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <824447656.20070722114620@kharkov.ua> References: <46A26CE0.1010301@rcn.com> <824447656.20070722114620@kharkov.ua> Message-ID: <46A35D60.7030607@rcn.com> Sergei Vorontsov wrote: > Hi Ron, > > R> Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > R> listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > R> included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > R> women -- statistically the groups that have the best > R> hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > R> first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > R> through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > R> to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > R> difference. > Many years ago there was no sound source which could offer > enough sonic detail. Last year when I got my CR-7 we did the > same test with a friend who has a very good ear. The sound source > was a VRDS (vibration free rigid disc clamping system) CD transport > with a built-in top notch quality DA converter. There was a small > difference between the source and the same sound fed through the > CR-7 electronics. The latter had somewhat less sound resolution but > still it was very, very close to the CD source. Sergei, 'many years ago', was in 2000 or maybe 1999. I had the same CD playback and turntable that I have now and we listened to both. You could argue (justifiably), that a better system or room or if we had better hearing, the result would be different. Possibly. I wonder is the test you experienced was double blind or, at least, blind. It has been my experience that results of sighted tests tend to disappear when the test is repeated blind. > After I shared > this observation with a couple of Naktalk member they said it > couldn't be otherwise having in mind the amount of circuitry the > signal travels when fed through the CR-7. don't you agree that the amount of electronics isn't as important as it's quality. In the case of the CR-7, the electronics consists of several well designed op-amp based amplifiers. Total distortion is a few milli-percent, way under the threshold of audibility. Response is way above the human hearing limit. In my case, the deck is over 12ft away from the preamp. I was curious whether the 25ft round trip caused audible deterioration and was surprised -- and relieved -- that it didn't (the CR-7 output impedance is over 1200 ohms). -- Ron > R> In the second test we compared sound through the deck > R> electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > R> on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > R> Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > R> Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > R> from the recording. > In our audition test we got the same result. > > R> I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > R> 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > R> That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > R> close to ideal that I can't expect any great > R> improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > R> response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > R> CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > R> immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > R> know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > I can't agree with this more. > > R> One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > R> a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > R> side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > R> CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > R> To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > R> more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > R> Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > R> the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > R> course, YMMV. > > Bravo, Ron. You are a clear thinker. It is hard to imagine > that earlier top Naks can offer circuitry which presence would > be less noticeable than that of CR-7. > > Sergei > > > R> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: >>> >>> Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different >>> decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built >>> at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and >>> different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he >>> owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for >>> cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays >>> the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the >>> maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the >>> end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a >>> Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then >>> beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now >>> for more constructive criticism please! >>> >>> Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed >>> very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the >>> other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this >>> amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and >>> personally, I'm sick of it. >>> >>> There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very >>> superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any >>> deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the >>> supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by >>> simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates >>> for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to >>> do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which >>> were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was >>> designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to >>> those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one >>> deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot >>> be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than >>> your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to >>> me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means >>> a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck >>> over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I >>> think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all >>> provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just >>> fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about >>> listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. >>> And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on >>> questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not >>> heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks >>> are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, >>> because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the >>> supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the >>> proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or >>> anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for >>> most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years >>> from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which >>> you argued against. >>> >>> Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL >>> rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the >>> best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one >>> bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! >>> >>> Jeff W From lenaw at flash.net Sun Jul 22 15:40:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <220113.73892.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503076.84236.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala: If you read my previous messages related to this subject what you just said are all there. You give your "opinions" about how a particular deck sounds and preference and there is never a problem with me and I never agrue others' opinions and I all respect what others' said and feelings IF YOU READ ALL MY PREVIOUS MESSAGES CAREFULLY ( apparently in this case they have all been mis-quoted ). Like everybody over here I wrote what I heard and I believe everybody does the same as well but I really believe that it is not right to make false claims and suppression of others' opinions in a open forum ( that is my opinion ). It does not necessary to know what my setup is as this is never an issue here and probably people doesn't care as well. Yes, I have listen to some modded DRAGONs that are not not mine. I have never said that a 1000ZXL is better than a DRAGON and I have also never said that a DRAGON is better than a 1000ZXL as well. I have no problem with members' preference which deck(s) they prefer. Everybody has their own pair of ears and they decide what sounds better for them. For example when a group of people believe/agree on that the 680ZX is a great deck, it is fine for me but it is not necessary to say that I have to agree on that as well if I listen to it and does not seem to like it, right? Look at Ron's response: he prefers his CR-7 to the DRAGON and I don't have an issue with that at all !! I won't go to tell him to shut up because a DRAGON fan clubs has decided that the DRAGON is the best. I guess what you have mentioned before about 1000ZXL bashings most come from people's opinions on the difficulties of servicing the deck ( not a lot of people here are as fortunate ans as skillful as you are in keeping your 1000ZXLs at top condition ). If there is people who said that the 1000ZXL does not sound great, I could have miss it though. As usual I fully respect all members' opinions with open heart and let's move on. Best Regards, Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hey Mike, You have my attention here. Nice set-up Mike, and would have appreciated if you told everyone here this before. You didn't ;) But did you say modded Dragons? There has been lots of ZXL bashing which went on both on the forum and in the form of personal mails, by Naktalkers. The fact was, I discovered, they allegations about the ZXL was downright untrue! And the ZXL, when given a proper lube and electronics alignment, is really a wonderful machine. Dear Kermit once mentioned, "when you listen to the other machines, you know you are listening to a cassette deck. when you listen to the ZXL, its almost like listening to reel to reel!" I didn't quite believe it at first, but when I heard the ZXL, it was a shocker. I guess you have been seeing the reflex action of all the ZXL bashing that went on prior to that. And it isn't only coming from ZXL owners. When our fellow Naktalkers talked about the 6802ZX being a better deck, they aren't from some '682ZX fan club'. They have listened to their decks and know what they like. If you heard the machines, and make a honest enough judgment to yourself, thats fine. I am voicing out against those who have not heard the machines but start making comments of them. One very quiet member these days is Alex - a staunch proponent of the Dragon. Some may not know that he had a bad run with a new ZXL , in was it 1995? To date he had said that the ZXL had a better sound, but he prefers the Dragon which better suits him. I appreciate that genial character because he states what he has heard, but sticks to his personal preference. He may not have the best English in this forum, but I have my deepest respects for him. Regards Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hi Bala: I did have the opportunity to listen to a NAK 1000ZXL ( not the limited ) in the past ( more than 1 time for sure ) and I can tell you that setup composed of a CELLO audio suite, a CELLO audio palette and a pair of Mark Levinson ML2 mono power amps and B&W 801 speakers ( the other decks are TANDBERG 3014A and a pair of mod DRAGONs ) but someone still say that I do not know what I am talking about even I did not say anything BAD about the 1000ZXL !!!! Now, do you think that I qualify to say that I know how a 1000ZXL sounds and I can say whether it is a great deck or not so great deck? But anyway I don't think it worth my effort to continue to debate about this. So far I have not seen much 1000ZXL bashing in the forum while I did see a lot of DRAGON bashing though ( not in defense of a DRAGON here ). I never say that the DRAGON is the greatest deck in the past over here. I did say that the DRAGON is the best in PLAYBACK pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes. Now that is my own opinion. Again am I qualify to make that statement for I do own 3 DRAGONs. I prefer as some other forum members suggest that we should move on and if anyone says that the 1000ZXL is great, that is fine and if anyone says that it is not that great, just let it be. I like to own a 1000ZXL in the future as well if I could find a good condition one !!!! Your attention is much appreciated. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! Jeff W --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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I define technology as 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is simply a design that accomplishes a specific purpose. You could just as well call the use of resistors 'a technology'. 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's completely meaningless, but sounds good to the non-technical masses that do not really know what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it of any meaning. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as > features evolved out from technologies. > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > Mike > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > fully ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 17:54:12 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands -Technoogy! In-Reply-To: <46A35644.3010205@rcn.com> Message-ID: <609262.33294.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron / Mike more than the NAAC - Dragon' split one channel head is the real technology behind NAAC compared all other Nakamichi Azimuth alignment methods. Even 1000 ZXL ( sorry I have to compare the great machine here:) uses both channel to compare the signal phase to align the record head azimuth ( even CR7 uses similar two channel method to align the play head during (Azimuth correction for) auto calibration. Dragon's split one channel head compares same channel signal (whatever is recorded) for Phase accuracy. It is a novel idea and fantastic- reason why many here in this forum is listening to Dragon when they come home in the evening. dragon is the only machine uses this technology. So Dragon head with NAAC method is the new technology. I (like Ron,) feel CR 7A is a machine having all desirable (excepting NAAC/ Auto reverse of Dragon) features of Many Naks without too much circuitry and alignment process. I like its Auto calibration as manual calibration ( of Dragon) is not accurate unless you use external wide bandwidth DMM. If Cassette format continued CR 7A would have evolved further and might have offered something like correcting component drift over the years using processors and technology like 1000 ZXL's multiple frequency adjustment because microprocessors ( as well as other elctronic components) have become smarter smaller and cheaper. My wish is that CR7A with Dragon' transport ( I do not care about auto reverse) would have made it a better machine due to Naks classic transport. Classic transport is much sturdier / better one compared to Sankyo transport. This is my feeling more than based on any actual measured parameters. Ron/ Mike I am also fed up with postings asking everybody to hear a 1000ZXL - please donate ( or lend ) one to me ( similar plea as Graham ) as I cannot afford 1500 plus $ for a non working( or questionable condition , once a while ) machine on ebay ! Sorry guys I have heard one long time back along with a 700 ZXL but cannot remember its sound comparing it to any other ! I do not like its size - too huge to keep in my small aprtment. But I need one soon to accept whatever you guys say ( i will also join this group and defend 1000 ZXL to the hilt- promise). Jokes apart, I am happy to hear that 1000ZXl can be maintained to work and that is a good news but remain still out of normal nakamichi user' reach due to its cost and availabilty. However no one needs to defend a Dragon - it will remain as popular as ever! and availability - atleast one gets listed on ebay everyday. kannan Ron wrote: Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, rather, of definition. I define technology as 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is simply a design that accomplishes a specific purpose. You could just as well call the use of resistors 'a technology'. 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's completely meaningless, but sounds good to the non-technical masses that do not really know what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it of any meaning. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as > features evolved out from technologies. > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > Mike > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > fully ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > no one > > bid against me! 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Jul 22 16:04:07 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:04:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <46A35253.4080802@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002101c7cc69$2c936cc0$a900a8c0@Shaun> Ron, We have heard in a recent message that in a different source set-up that a difference (albeit small) could be heard between the source and the CR-7. Whether the 1000ZXL would produce a different result can only be determined by listening. This counters your argument "..that from where I sit, no improvement is possible...". However, your hearing may well be such that any measurable difference is inaudible, that would certainly be the case with me, so any benefits would be largely wasted along with the extra expenditure incurred in providing them! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 22 July 2007 13:49 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Ron, > > It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, > preferential or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. On the contrary, it's VERY logical. To me, the ultimate recorder introduces no difference to the original. If the CR-7 made essentially no such difference and the 1000ZXL will also make no difference, then it is, at best, equal to the CR-7. It cannot possibly improve anything for me. Do you now see my point? Of course, this is true only for my listening room and only for a bunch of people (that I was one of which) and possibly only for the recordings I play. Other rooms or other people or other musical selections may result in a different verdict. That's why I noted that YMMV. > Expectation is simply not a > sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say > so. > > If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have... I would love to improve. My point is that from where I sit, no improvement is possible. -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 16:18:20 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:18:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: My dear Bala you wrote... >If you heard the machines, and make a honest enough judgment to yourself, thats fine. I am voicing out against those who have not heard the machines but start >making comments of them. One very quiet member these days is Alex - a staunch proponent of the Dragon. Some may not know that he had a bad run with a new >ZXL , in was it 1995? To date he had said that the ZXL had a better sound, but he prefers the Dragon which better suits him. I appreciate that genial character >because he states what he has heard, but sticks to his personal preference. He may not have the best English in this forum, but I have my deepest respects for >him. >Regards>Bala First of all thanks a lot...yes it's 100% true...during 1995, I brought a 1000ZXL...which was NOT "Brand new" was used & guard 8 years "NOT in use"...it's very possible...that IF...IF...(I think this possibility just now...when I'm replaying this mail!)...that instead plug on "SUDDENLY"...to 230 mains here in my home in Israel, again it's ONLY a possibility...plug first to a type of a "Variable Transformer "Variac"...& slowly (Can be take 2 weeks...was NOT so hurry!), each two day ADD a little bit more mains voltage...leaving the both units plug on & Powered "ON" for a while so, at the end I got 230 Vac...such "Failure Syndrome" will do not occurred... after amere week...?, what you think...my dear Bala?. I continue using my Tri Tracer 1000/ll for a while till I put it apart & brought a two head Kenwood KT-5010...till in 2004 when the owner of my presently Dragon unit pass away...his widow ask me to came home & take the unit boxed as a gift...since 2004 I returned to use a Nak unit deck. That's is the 100% exactly whole history...! Our lord will Bless to all Nak members of thus forum; ever! Peace, ALEX! Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:40:35 -0700From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brandsTo: naktalk at naks.com Bala: If you read my previous messages related to this subject what you just said are all there. You give your "opinions" about how a particular deck sounds and preference and there is never a problem with me and I never agrue others' opinions and I all respect what others' said and feelings IF YOU READ ALL MY PREVIOUS MESSAGES CAREFULLY ( apparently in this case they have all been mis-quoted ). Like everybody over here I wrote what I heard and I believe everybody does the same as well but I really believe that it is not right to make false claims and suppression of others' opinions in a open forum ( that is my opinion ). It does not necessary to know what my setup is as this is never an issue here and probably people doesn't care as well. Yes, I have listen to some modded DRAGONs that are not not mine. I have never said that a 1000ZXL is better than a DRAGON and I have also never said that a DRAGON is better than a 1000ZXL as well. I have no problem with members' preference which deck(s) they prefer. Everybody has their own pair of ears and they decide what sounds better for them. For example when a group of people believe/agree on that the 680ZX is a great deck, it is fine for me but it is not necessary to say that I have to agree on that as well if I listen to it and does not seem to like it, right? Look at Ron's response: he prefers his CR-7 to the DRAGON and I don't have an issue with that at all !! I won't go to tell him to shut up because a DRAGON fan clubs has decided that the DRAGON is the best. I guess what you have mentioned before about 1000ZXL bashings most come from people's opinions on the difficulties of servicing the deck ( not a lot of people here are as fortunate ans as skillful as you are in keeping your 1000ZXLs at top condition ). If there is people who said that the 1000ZXL does not sound great, I could have miss it though. As usual I fully respect all members' opinions with open heart and let's move on. Best Regards,Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hey Mike, You have my attention here. Nice set-up Mike, and would have appreciated if you told everyone here this before. You didn't ;) But did you say modded Dragons?There has been lots of ZXL bashing which went on both on the forum and in the form of personal mails, by Naktalkers. The fact was, I discovered, they allegations about the ZXL was downright untrue! And the ZXL, when given a proper lube and electronics alignment, is really a wonderful machine. Dear Kermit once mentioned, "when you listen to the other machines, you know you are listening to a cassette deck. when you listen to the ZXL, its almost like listening to reel to reel!" I didn't quite believe it at first, but when I heard the ZXL, it was a shocker. I guess you have been seeing the reflex action of all the ZXL bashing that went on prior to that. And it isn't only coming from ZXL owners. When our fellow Naktalkers talked about the 6802ZX being a better deck, they aren't from some '682ZX fan club'. They have listened to their decks and know what they like. If you heard the machines, and make a honest enough judgment to yourself, thats fine. I am voicing out against those who have not heard the machines but start making comments of them. One very quiet member these days is Alex - a staunch proponent of the Dragon. Some may not know that he had a bad run with a new ZXL , in was it 1995? To date he had said that the ZXL had a better sound, but he prefers the Dragon which better suits him. I appreciate that genial character because he states what he has heard, but sticks to his personal preference. He may not have the best English in this forum, but I have my deepest respects for him. RegardsBala ----- Original Message ----From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58:04 AMSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Hi Bala: I did have the opportunity to listen to a NAK 1000ZXL ( not the limited ) in the past ( more than 1 time for sure ) and I can tell you that setup composed of a CELLO audio suite, a CELLO audio palette and a pair of Mark Levinson ML2 mono power amps and B&W 801 speakers ( the other decks are TANDBERG 3014A and a pair of mod DRAGONs ) but someone still say that I do not know what I am talking about even I did not say anything BAD about the 1000ZXL !!!! Now, do you think that I qualify to say that I know how a 1000ZXL sounds and I can say whether it is a great deck or not so great deck? But anyway I don't think it worth my effort to continue to debate about this. So far I have not seen much 1000ZXL bashing in the forum while I did see a lot of DRAGON bashing though ( not in defense of a DRAGON here ). I never say that the DRAGON is the greatest deck in the past over here. I did say that the DRAGON is the best in PLAYBACK pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes. Now that is my own opinion. Again am I qualify to make that statement for I do own 3 DRAGONs. I prefer as some other forum members suggest that we should move on and if anyone says that the 1000ZXL is great, that is fine and if anyone says that it is not that great, just let it be. I like to own a 1000ZXL in the future as well if I could find a good condition one !!!! Your attention is much appreciated. Mike Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jeff, Nah..I think this really comes down to how we perceive it. Hey, lets be honest! I was walking tall and proud that my 670ZX was the best sound ever out of a cassette deck. True yet untrue! I have learned that it is so wrong to judge something before checking it out in a fair manner. I have listened to the Dragon, and in all honesty, it isn't a bad deck! What has been happening is that people had been talking about the ZXL in a bad light. Wait a minute - if you personally had a machine and you couldn't find a single belt to run the thing, and had nothing but trouble, you can call it extinct. Then there were those who talked about scarcity of parts, and a whole host of other things. They hadn't tried getting their hands wet with a ZXL - if they did, they'd know it isn't true. Then there are those guys who talked about what difference is freq' response is going to make. Again, these guys added that they hadn't quite heard the deck yet, so what makes them so sure what they were arguing about? I had been discouraged by some members here from going for the ZXL some years back. I have worked on 7 1000ZXLs alone and there isn't a single machine I failed to bring up. And they all have performed admirably in hi-fi showrooms, exhibitions, live sound events and even in a lab. I have even left a ZXL running for over a week when I went overseas. Came back and enjoyed some good music on a nicely warmed up deck! I have clocked up thousands of hours on the 1000ZXLs combined and yet have to see any problems. Its as old as a Dragon and it needs a TLC. If a Dragon and click, squeal and fart, the 1000ZXL is entitled to have a few cap problems too. Give it what it needs, and it with stand by as a rock. All the machines that have passed my hands are as good as gold. I do not encourage people putting any deck down, but those guys who questioned the Dragon did so for a good reason. As a overall cassette deck, there's more to it then playing back tapes. Arguably the Dragon does a good job of playing tapes back. But there is no reason to bash another deck. ZXL bashing has been going on for a very long time. Some prolific members of Naktalk have meanwhile acquired their own ZXL machines and have stayed aloof in this argument because they know better. The ZXL has a subsonic filter because of its response. Its RAMM system actually encodes signal on the tape at 5Hz. If someone's speaker is getting damaged thanks to subsonics, there's still five more months to Christmas. McIntosh trained engineers came to my house for system set-up and plotted response down to 4 Hz for the benefit of my turntable. I sure didn't hear anything that low but my system had a much cleaner bass then before. As with freq. response, I am not going to argue about W/F. Yes the Dragon does it consistently well without belts. Then again, throw a good belt and the belt based decks do it equally well. Jeff, I shall not argue with you because I prefer to hear from people who have experienced it. What you think is one thing, but what you hear is another. People who tell me "Yes I have heard it!". And people who appreciate and accept every deck for its pros and cons. I can stand equal and talk to those who talk about a Dragon or CR7 or even a 600 among other decks. I don't speak for a ZXE or LX series decks because I have not heard them yet. Ram may have been enthusiastic about his Limited because he's heard the machine, he knows how it sounds in respect to a ZX9 or CR7. If he was over-enthusiastic about his machines, talk to him - don't resort to specs and arguments and reserve listening to the actual machine - that is the most important thing. Again, I heavily discourage those who delve into bashing the ZXL or any other Naks and will refer them to the moderation authorities here. Bala ----- Original Message ----From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.comSent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:33:32 PMSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now for more constructive criticism please! Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is indeed very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard the other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think this amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and personally, I'm sick of it. There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F of any deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are defeated by simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have nothing to do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes which were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The Dragon was designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so important to those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that one deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it cannot be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds better than your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't - to me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it means a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, and I think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not at all provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and Dolby C. And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior based on questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which are not heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think that the supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case which the proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on it, or anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think for most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and which you argued against. Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a fully ESL rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 is the best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost no one bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jul 22 18:23:09 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:23:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/2007 3:26:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Constructive criticism is ok but no calling for decks being extinct or crap. You're misquoting me Bala - you constantly do that in order to enforce your own dominance of the group. I said the BELT for the classic transport decks is extinct. And any classic transport deck is only as good as the belt that's driving it - the belt is the weak link in the system. I have spent weeks (I"m not exaggerating) on line trying to find a substitute after-market belt which will perform at spec, and the only non-Nak belt I've ever found which tested at spec on the classic transport is also extinct, and even harder to get because there's no Jeff Galin with a stash of them. I've ordered belts from all over the world and put quite a bit of money into it. Every belt I was able to obtain, even ones which closely matched the physical measurement of the classic Nak belt, did not actually perform at spec. There was one Japanese belt which did, but I literally bought the last 4 available in the US, and I have been informed by the manufacturer that it is no longer in production. You, Bala, have made the claim that your 682 works just fine with an aftermarket belt so that's not a problem for the ZXL. OK, just what belt is that? Where can I get one? Prove me wrong. Actually, for the benefit of all of us, I really hope you can. What I see on my computer every morning is a huge number of of postings from you and Ram endlessly pushing your views on anybody who dares offering a competing opinion. If you make claims that can't be backed up, don't expect anyone else to endorse them. Now, as I've said many times before, the 3-head direct drive Sankyo mech decks, the ZX-9 and the Dragon have superior transports which are not dependant on belt performance, and may well represent a much better value off into the future for most cassette fans who are not collectors. They also have wow & flutter specs way, way, below the 1000ZXL and other classic transport decks. There's actually a good reason to NOT buy a classic transport deck unless you're a collector. Since Naktalk supposedly practices free speech (I have my doubts about that, based on past experience) I really want to make this point about the classic transport because there's a lot of people who don't post but only read Naktalk looking for info, and people should be aware of this issue of extinct belts before they commit a lot of money to a purchase. 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Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 19:31:42 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:31:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <75383.85840.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <75383.85840.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A3947E.1050302@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > For example, can NAAC qualify as a "method" on how to do a > playback head azimuth check automatically in this case? LOL, Mike, are we now into splitting hairs? Yes, the NAAC is just what you state. It is, just as a power amplifier is a 'method' of driving speakers and the counter is a 'method' of displaying play time. Yet, they are not 'technologies' in my book. There is nothing innovative about them. When the need arose, current knowledge and components allowed an engineer to design a solution. OTOH, the CD and 13 micron ICs do represent technology -- they could not be implemented through a mere design effort. The engineer had to research, innovative thinking and vision. Current technology did not suffice. Like I said, it depends on definition. Yours could be different than mine. Or correcter :-). -- Ron > > Mike > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, > rather, of definition. I define technology as > 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: > the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is > simply a design that accomplishes a specific > purpose. You could just as well call the use > of resistors 'a technology'. > > 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like > 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's > completely meaningless, but sounds good to the > non-technical masses that do not really know > what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in > the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it > of any meaning. > > -- Ron > > > > LENA WONG wrote: > > Ron: > > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider > these as > > features evolved out from technologies. > > > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > > club, I can't help but grin... > > > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > > difference. > > > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > > from the recording. > > > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > > course, YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the > machine he > > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather > then > > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of > money. Now > > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > > indeed > > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > > the > > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > > this > > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its > very > > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > > of any > > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. > All the > > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > > defeated by > > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > > nothing to > > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > > which > > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > > Dragon was > > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > > important to > > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > > one > > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > > cannot > > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > > better than > > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > > - to > > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > > means > > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one > deck > > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > > and I > > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > > at all > > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > > Dolby C. > > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > > based on > > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > > are not > > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. > Decks > > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for > intance, > > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > > that the > > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > > which the > > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > > it, or > > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > > for > > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 > years > > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > > which > > > you argued against. > > > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > > fully ESL > > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > > is the > > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > > no one > > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > > > Jeff W From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 19:34:49 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:34:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands In-Reply-To: <002101c7cc69$2c936cc0$a900a8c0@Shaun> References: <002101c7cc69$2c936cc0$a900a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <46A39539.8070307@rcn.com> Shaun Montgomery wrote: > Ron, > > We have heard in a recent message that in a different source set-up that a > difference (albeit small) could be heard between the source and the CR-7. > Whether the 1000ZXL would produce a different result can only be determined > by listening. This counters your argument "..that from > where I sit, no improvement is possible...". True, but we don't know yet whether that listening test was blind or not. Makes a huge difference. > However, your hearing may well be such that any measurable difference is > inaudible, that would certainly be the case with me, so any benefits would > be largely wasted along with the extra expenditure incurred in providing > them! I consider my hearing to be well trained, but, yea, true again. -- Ron > > Shaun > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: 22 July 2007 13:49 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands > > > Shaun Montgomery wrote: >> Ron, >> >> It's illogical to assume that you will not hear any difference, >> preferential or otherwise, unless you do listen to 1000ZXL. > > On the contrary, it's VERY logical. To me, the > ultimate recorder introduces no difference to > the original. If the CR-7 made essentially no > such difference and the 1000ZXL will also make > no difference, then it is, at best, equal to > the CR-7. It cannot possibly improve anything > for me. Do you now see my point? > > Of course, this is true only for my listening > room and only for a bunch of people (that I was > one of which) and possibly only for the recordings > I play. Other rooms or other people or other > musical selections may result in a different > verdict. That's why I noted that YMMV. > >> Expectation is simply not a >> sufficient criteria and as an engineer it does you a disservice to say >> so. >> >> If, like myself, you see no need to improve on what you have... > > I would love to improve. My point is that from > where I sit, no improvement is possible. > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 22 20:01:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands -Technoogy! In-Reply-To: <609262.33294.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <609262.33294.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A39B5E.30603@rcn.com> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Ron / Mike > more than the NAAC - Dragon' split one channel head is the real > technology behind NAAC compared all other Nakamichi Azimuth alignment > methods. Geeze... I guess I forgot to put brain in gear before putting mouth in motion... I was thinking of the CR-7 auto azimuth scheme! Kannan, you are absolutely correct, that aspect of the NAAC is definitely a techological break and so, I was wrong and NAAC is indeed a 'technology'. I apologize to all Dragonites who may have been offended. I will now go sit in the corner and keep quiet (at least, for a while). -- Ron > Even 1000 ZXL ( sorry I have to compare the great machine > here:) uses both channel to compare the signal phase to align the record > head azimuth ( even CR7 uses similar two channel method to align the > play head during (Azimuth correction for) auto calibration. > > Dragon's split one channel head compares same channel signal (whatever > is recorded) for Phase accuracy. It is a novel idea and fantastic- > reason why many here in this forum is listening to Dragon when they come > home in the evening. dragon is the only machine uses this technology. > > So Dragon head with NAAC method is the new technology. > I (like Ron,) feel CR 7A is a machine having all desirable (excepting > NAAC/ Auto reverse of Dragon) features of Many Naks without too much > circuitry and alignment process. I like its Auto calibration as manual > calibration ( of Dragon) is not accurate unless you use external wide > bandwidth DMM. > > If Cassette format continued CR 7A would have evolved further and might > have offered something like correcting component drift over the years > using processors and technology like 1000 ZXL's multiple frequency > adjustment because microprocessors ( as well as other elctronic > components) have become smarter smaller and cheaper. > My wish is that CR7A with Dragon' transport ( I do not care about auto > reverse) would have made it a better machine due to Naks classic > transport. Classic transport is much sturdier / better one compared to > Sankyo transport. This is my feeling more than based on any actual > measured parameters. > > Ron/ Mike I am also fed up with postings asking everybody to hear a > 1000ZXL - please donate ( or lend ) one to me ( similar plea as Graham ) > as I cannot afford 1500 plus $ for a non working( or questionable > condition , once a while ) machine on ebay ! Sorry guys I have heard > one long time back along with a 700 ZXL but cannot remember its sound > comparing it to any other ! > I do not like its size - too huge to keep in my small aprtment. > But I need one soon to accept whatever you guys say ( i will also join > this group and defend 1000 ZXL to the hilt- promise). > > Jokes apart, I am happy to hear that 1000ZXl can be maintained to work > and that is a good news but remain still out of normal nakamichi > user' reach due to its cost and availabilty. > > However no one needs to defend a Dragon - it will remain as popular as > ever! and availability - atleast one gets listed on ebay everyday. > kannan > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, > rather, of definition. I define technology as > 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: > the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is > simply a design that accomplishes a specific > purpose. You could just as well call the use > of resistors 'a technology'. > > 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like > 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's > completely meaningless, but sounds good to the > non-technical masses that do not really know > what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in > the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it > of any meaning. > > -- Ron > > > > LENA WONG wrote: > > Ron: > > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider > these as > > features evolved out from technologies. > > > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > > club, I can't help but grin... > > > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > > difference. > > > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > > from the recording. > > > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > > course, YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the > machine he > > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather > then > > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of > money. Now > > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > > indeed > > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > > the > > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > > this > > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its > very > > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > > of any > > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. > All the > > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > > defeated by > > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > > nothing to > > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > > which > > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > > Dragon was > > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > > important to > > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > > one > > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > > cannot > > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > > better than > > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > > - to > > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > > means > > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one > deck > > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > > and I > > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > > at all > > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > > Dolby C. > > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > > based on > > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > > are not > > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. > Decks > > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for > intance, > > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > > that the > > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > > which the > > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > > it, or > > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > > for > > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 > years > > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > > which > > > you argued against. > > > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > > fully ESL > > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > > is the > > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > > no one > > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > > > Jeff W From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 20:10:38 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands -Technoogy! In-Reply-To: <609262.33294.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <487326.12162.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cost aside, what we were talking about was how Naks differ and why. There is no need like Bala said to bash one or the other deck just because one has not heard a deck or whatever the reason. When I did say last week that the Dragon was horribly put together, I indeed did not mean the Dragon was horrible. Just that the internal assembly was prettty chaotic, when compared to the other decks I have seen. Some members took this to be Dragon bashing, which I never intended. In fact, I have 2 Dragons and do come home and listen to it with absolute enthusiasm once in a while. Again, I am now not flaunting the Dragon, as some here might erroneously deduce. Yes, I reiterate that the ZXL is restorable( ask ESL...) and yes the generic belts do make the unit run great. We just need a well trained technician who has studied this machine like Bala or Jeff Galin to work on these gems. I am also glad Kannan is elated to reealize that these decks are maintainable, contrary to his prior opinion that the ZXL was a waste fo time.... And finally Kannan, very respectfully, one only needs room for 2 components to fit the ZXL in and every home, however small, has an 8 feet ceiling and one could definitely have the deck sit up on top of a shelf without losing any living space! Let us come together and move on please! Ram Ramachandran kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Ron / Mike more than the NAAC - Dragon' split one channel head is the real technology behind NAAC compared all other Nakamichi Azimuth alignment methods. Even 1000 ZXL ( sorry I have to compare the great machine here:) uses both channel to compare the signal phase to align the record head azimuth ( even CR7 uses similar two channel method to align the play head during (Azimuth correction for) auto calibration. Dragon's split one channel head compares same channel signal (whatever is recorded) for Phase accuracy. It is a novel idea and fantastic- reason why many here in this forum is listening to Dragon when they come home in the evening. dragon is the only machine uses this technology. So Dragon head with NAAC method is the new technology. I (like Ron,) feel CR 7A is a machine having all desirable (excepting NAAC/ Auto reverse of Dragon) features of Many Naks without too much circuitry and alignment process. I like its Auto calibration as manual calibration ( of Dragon) is not accurate unless you use external wide bandwidth DMM. If Cassette format continued CR 7A would have evolved further and might have offered something like correcting component drift over the years using processors and technology like 1000 ZXL's multiple frequency adjustment because microprocessors ( as well as other elctronic components) have become smarter smaller and cheaper. My wish is that CR7A with Dragon' transport ( I do not care about auto reverse) would have made it a better machine due to Naks classic transport. Classic transport is much sturdier / better one compared to Sankyo transport. This is my feeling more than based on any actual measured parameters. Ron/ Mike I am also fed up with postings asking everybody to hear a 1000ZXL - please donate ( or lend ) one to me ( similar plea as Graham ) as I cannot afford 1500 plus $ for a non working( or questionable condition , once a while ) machine on ebay ! Sorry guys I have heard one long time back along with a 700 ZXL but cannot remember its sound comparing it to any other ! I do not like its size - too huge to keep in my small aprtment. But I need one soon to accept whatever you guys say ( i will also join this group and defend 1000 ZXL to the hilt- promise). Jokes apart, I am happy to hear that 1000ZXl can be maintained to work and that is a good news but remain still out of normal nakamichi user' reach due to its cost and availabilty. However no one needs to defend a Dragon - it will remain as popular as ever! and availability - atleast one gets listed on ebay everyday. kannan Ron wrote: Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, rather, of definition. I define technology as 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is simply a design that accomplishes a specific purpose. You could just as well call the use of resistors 'a technology'. 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's completely meaningless, but sounds good to the non-technical masses that do not really know what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it of any meaning. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as > features evolved out from technologies. > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > Mike > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > fully ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 22 20:30:03 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak vs other brands -Technoogy! In-Reply-To: <487326.12162.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <420266.76629.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram do not put words on anybody' mouth - I never said "his prior opinion that the ZXL was a waste fo time...." as you state please refrain from adding whatever you like as sombody said secondly - open up ZX 9 just to replace two orange caps of bias oscillator - to know how it is wired up Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Cost aside, what we were talking about was how Naks differ and why. There is no need like Bala said to bash one or the other deck just because one has not heard a deck or whatever the reason. When I did say last week that the Dragon was horribly put together, I indeed did not mean the Dragon was horrible. Just that the internal assembly was prettty chaotic, when compared to the other decks I have seen. Some members took this to be Dragon bashing, which I never intended. In fact, I have 2 Dragons and do come home and listen to it with absolute enthusiasm once in a while. Again, I am now not flaunting the Dragon, as some here might erroneously deduce. Yes, I reiterate that the ZXL is restorable( ask ESL...) and yes the generic belts do make the unit run great. We just need a well trained technician who has studied this machine like Bala or Jeff Galin to work on these gems. I am also glad Kannan is elated to reealize that these decks are maintainable, contrary to his prior opinion that the ZXL was a waste fo time.... And finally Kannan, very respectfully, one only needs room for 2 components to fit the ZXL in and every home, however small, has an 8 feet ceiling and one could definitely have the deck sit up on top of a shelf without losing any living space! Let us come together and move on please! Ram Ramachandran kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Ron / Mike more than the NAAC - Dragon' split one channel head is the real technology behind NAAC compared all other Nakamichi Azimuth alignment methods. Even 1000 ZXL ( sorry I have to compare the great machine here:) uses both channel to compare the signal phase to align the record head azimuth ( even CR7 uses similar two channel method to align the play head during (Azimuth correction for) auto calibration. Dragon's split one channel head compares same channel signal (whatever is recorded) for Phase accuracy. It is a novel idea and fantastic- reason why many here in this forum is listening to Dragon when they come home in the evening. dragon is the only machine uses this technology. So Dragon head with NAAC method is the new technology. I (like Ron,) feel CR 7A is a machine having all desirable (excepting NAAC/ Auto reverse of Dragon) features of Many Naks without too much circuitry and alignment process. I like its Auto calibration as manual calibration ( of Dragon) is not accurate unless you use external wide bandwidth DMM. If Cassette format continued CR 7A would have evolved further and might have offered something like correcting component drift over the years using processors and technology like 1000 ZXL's multiple frequency adjustment because microprocessors ( as well as other elctronic components) have become smarter smaller and cheaper. My wish is that CR7A with Dragon' transport ( I do not care about auto reverse) would have made it a better machine due to Naks classic transport. Classic transport is much sturdier / better one compared to Sankyo transport. This is my feeling more than based on any actual measured parameters. Ron/ Mike I am also fed up with postings asking everybody to hear a 1000ZXL - please donate ( or lend ) one to me ( similar plea as Graham ) as I cannot afford 1500 plus $ for a non working( or questionable condition , once a while ) machine on ebay ! Sorry guys I have heard one long time back along with a 700 ZXL but cannot remember its sound comparing it to any other ! I do not like its size - too huge to keep in my small aprtment. But I need one soon to accept whatever you guys say ( i will also join this group and defend 1000 ZXL to the hilt- promise). Jokes apart, I am happy to hear that 1000ZXl can be maintained to work and that is a good news but remain still out of normal nakamichi user' reach due to its cost and availabilty. However no one needs to defend a Dragon - it will remain as popular as ever! and availability - atleast one gets listed on ebay everyday. kannan Ron wrote: Mike, this is not a question of opinion, but, rather, of definition. I define technology as 'a new, innovative process or method'. Example: the ceramic tape head, or Dolby NR. NAAC is simply a design that accomplishes a specific purpose. You could just as well call the use of resistors 'a technology'. 'Technology' is a new buzz word nowadays. Like 'resolution' that is commonly used where it's completely meaningless, but sounds good to the non-technical masses that do not really know what it means. Like 'high-fidelity', used in the 1950's and onward in a way that robbed it of any meaning. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Ron: > With all respect, I find it hard to believe that NAAC is not a > technology at all; so does automatic A.B.L.E. I would consider these as > features evolved out from technologies. > > But of course this is just my opinion. :)) > > > Mike > > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > As I see this orgy of 'Mine is best' by the 1K ZLX fan > club, I can't help but grin... > > Many year ago, soon after I bought my CR-7, I ran some > listening tests. The panel of about a dozen people > included a 13 years old boy and a couple of young > women -- statistically the groups that have the best > hearing. I ran two tests, both of them blind. In the > first, we compared a source vs. the same sound, fed > through the CR-7 electronics (deck monitor switch set > to 'source'). It was very clear no one could hear any > difference. > > In the second test we compared sound through the deck > electronics (switch set to 'source') vs. sound recorded > on a TDK MA cassette (monitor switch set to 'tape'). > Except for one selection (Dis Irea from Verdi's > Requiem) not a single person could tell the original > from the recording. > > I am now told that I cannot prefer the CR-7 to the > 1000ZXL because I haven't listened to the latter > That's bull. To my ears the CR-7 is sonically so > close to ideal that I can't expect any great > improvement; certainly, not due yo the ZXL's > response extending to 23KHz vs. 21KHz for the > CR-7 (or similar numbers. The exact specs are > immaterial). I don't need to listen intently to > know that I am going to be underwhelmed. > > One last comment regarding the Dragon. NAAC is not > a 'technology', it's a feature. I did listen to it, > side by side with a CR-7 and clearly preferred the > CR-7. This was a sighted audition and very subjective. > To my ears, both sounded very good, but the CR-7 felt > more accurate and the Dragon felt more colored. The > Dragon was significantly more expensive and neither > the reverse nor the NAAC made a difference to me. Of > course, YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > > > Guys, I have said this again and will say it once more. Different > > decks, even among Naks, have a different sound. They were all built > > at different price levels, for different purposes and targeted and > > different markets. No one can associate a person with the machine he > > owns. But this is all about how far we want to take our passion for > > cassettes. If a person feels that he wants the ultimate, and pays > > the money for a ZXL or Limited, thats his personal wish to get the > > maximum out of his tapes. That doesn't put any of us lower. At the > > end of the day, the name on all the decks, whether a 500 or a > > Limited, is still Nakamichi. So let us share our passion rather then > > beat each other up calling our decks extinct and waste of money. Now > > for more constructive criticism please! > > > > Actually Bala, you will see that Ram said, and I quote, "It is > indeed > > very unfortunate that its the same individuals who have not heard > the > > other decks keep touting the Dragon here in this forum." I think > this > > amounts to talking down to people who don't own a 1000ZXL, and > > personally, I'm sick of it. > > > > There are some very good reasons to buy a Dragon, including its very > > superior transport, which along with the ZX-9 has the lowest W&F > of any > > deck ever made. NAAC is also a superior playback technology. All the > > supposed superior high-frequency specs of the 1000ZXL are > defeated by > > simple playback azimuth mis-alignment, which the Dragon compensates > > for. The 1000ZXL may have great lab test results which have > nothing to > > do with real-world conditions - the problem of playing back tapes > which > > were not made on the deck they are being played back on. The > Dragon was > > designed to solve this very real-world problem which is so > important to > > those of us who do a lot of tape-trading. Of course the idea that > one > > deck is "better" or has "better sound" is so subjective that it > cannot > > be resolved, and I'm tired of hearing the "My 1000ZXL sounds > better than > > your Dragon" stuff. Maybe it does - to you. And maybe it doesn't > - to > > me. I can hear the superior W&F of the direct drive decks and it > means > > a lot to me - it is a very important reason to me to choose one deck > > over another. I really don't see Naktalk as the 1000ZXL fanclub, > and I > > think its proponents make all kinds of wild claims which are not > at all > > provable, including putting down the Dragon. I like my Dragon just > > fine, and I don't think there's anything "unfortunate" at all about > > listing it's superior attributes, including low W&F, NAAC, and > Dolby C. > > And I really don't think that ZXL can be promoted as superior > based on > > questionable test results in areas of the aural spectrum which > are not > > heard by the human ear - that argument is completely specious. Decks > > are deliberately engineered to NOT produce infrasonics, for intance, > > because they'll damage your woofer or subwoofer. I don't think > that the > > supposed "superiorty" of the ZXL is at all the slam-dunk case > which the > > proponents of the ZXL claim. If you want to spend your money on > it, or > > anything else, fine, no problem, go right ahead. However, I think > for > > most people they'll be better off with a Dragon, especially 10 years > > from now, for the various reason I explained in my last post and > which > > you argued against. > > > > Personally I own more than a dozen Naks including a Dragon, a > fully ESL > > rebuilt ZX-7, 2 680's, a 582, etc. and I still think the BX-300 > is the > > best Nak for the money! I got one for $51 on eBay because almost > no one > > bid against me! And it has lower W&F than the mighty ZXL! > > > > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Jul 26 09:12:14 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:12:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias again Message-ID: <8C99D6B6DA0D282-798-6BCD@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com> Hi David A few things for you to try with your 582 metal bias problem. I'm confident it's not your bias oscillator as EX and SX tapes are calibrating ok - and you have already replaced the two 4.7nF bias oscillator caps. (In my experience, bias oscillators don't slowly decrease their output - it's generally quite dramatic and they fail causing non subtle effects). Firstly, I would have a look at the condition of VR706 and VR806. These are the 10KOhm presets that you adjust when you adjust metal bias. I would be inclined to gain access to them and clean them by swamping with a spray such as CRC226 - and then rotating the wipers backwards and forwards a few dozen times to assist in the cleaning process. You could test their operation with a multimeter while setting the wipers to different positions. Secondly, I would clean the contacts of the tape switch. This switch selects not only the bias preset, but also the record level attenuator. As you are able to adjust metal record level at present, this switch is probably ok - but while you are cleaning the bias pots, you could give the switch a clean at the same time. Same process - flood with CRC226 (my choice), and exercise a few dozen times. If these two don't help, then my third suggestion is bad news. By the way, you say the response at 15KHz is +2dB or so - that's under biased, not, over biased. My third suggestion is that you may have a little head wear. Head wear will always cause trouble first with the highest bias tapes - namely metal. A slightly worn set of heads will sometimes give very good performance on EX and SX, but poor on ZX. One indicator will be the measurement of distortion - if distortion on a good SX position tape eg TDK SAX, is not as good as on a good EX position tape, eg Maxell UD, then this can also indicate that head wear is starting to affect performance. Examine your play head and record head for signs of wear (head no longer smoothly convex, but has a flat shiny section) - if this is the case consider new heads or lose interest in metal tapes. Hope this helps David. Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:42:03 +1000 From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Meta over bias again To: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Kannan wrote about orange caps affecting bias but that is not the case with my problem below. I replaced the orange caps previously when the bias setting was too low (about -10). In this case the meter levels do not come down out of the red section of the meter but stay high as I indicated. This looks to me like the opposite problem to the orange cap effect. I would appreciate any thoughts on this please. David >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:55:06 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] Metal over bias >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I took out a new TDK MA90 tape to record an LP of Morgana King and checked >the rec and bias settings on my 582 first. The rec controls comes to zero >when turned about halfway but the lowest I can get on bias is +3 left and +4 >right. The bias controls are turned fully to the right and they give the >same result turned fully to the left. >Any suggestions on why this is so please? I tried another tape with a >different colour wrapping, a TDK MA46, and got a similar result, +2 and +4. >The recording sounds pretty good though. >I have no trouble calibrating TDK Type I and II tapes correctly. >David ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Meta over bias again To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <687771.67646.qm at web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, This looks to me like a shorting somewhere. Are those caps good? Or is there a short somewhere? Regards, Bala Message: 5 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] Meta over bias again To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <137020.82015.qm at web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi David when the Orange caps cuased initial low bias voltage it also affects the connected components like the two transistors. Replace them and you will find the voltage coming up again. If you have a high impedance VTVM or Fluke 189/187/865 meters you can see the voltage correctly. Generally if bias oscillator had failed before replace the transistors as well as caps to avoid low bias. When you replace these two transistors check the gain of new transistors - matc them with almost equal gain as well as higher gain about 200+ if possible to get the best bias voltage Kannan *************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From benstratford at aol.com Thu Jul 26 11:01:43 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:01:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? In-Reply-To: <24973597.1185439831310.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> References: <24973597.1185439831310.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <8C99D7AB89144ED-9D8-15B@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> I recall this picture used during the sales that you mentioned.? I therefore believe this should be given a wide berth, Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Roland To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 9.50am Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? I was just wondering if this is the same guy who was posting here to sell off his HUGE cassette and RTR collection. I recall the screwloose reference in his personal webpage, I just don't remember is this is the same guy. Anyone? Seems wrong to need to contact him BEFORE you place a bid. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Original Message----- From: Roland To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 9.50am Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? I was just wondering if this is the same guy who was posting here to sell off his HUGE cassette and RTR collection. I recall the screwloose reference in his personal webpage, I just don't remember is this is the same guy. Anyone? Seems wrong to need to contact him BEFORE you place a bid. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jul 26 16:30:43 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:30:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:55:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rjlbjk at cox.net writes: I was just wondering if this is the same guy who was posting here to sell off his HUGE cassette and RTR collection. I recall the screwloose reference in his personal webpage, I just don't remember is this is the same guy. Anyone? Seems wrong to need to contact him BEFORE you place a bid. This listing is fraud - the guy is trying to get you to send money off eBay. The email addresses _rock2best at gmail.com_ (mailto:rock2best at gmail.com) and _8222ebay at gmail.com_ (mailto:8222ebay at gmail.com) have posted over 100 fraudulent listings this week. Also, I suspect that if you go to the website he suggests, you'll get a Trojan on your computer. Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 26 20:37:23 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:37:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? Message-ID: <9FF7AC16-D44B-4407-B59C-65874DE341E2@alumni.caltech.edu> I haven't looked at the pictures yet, but I think the person you're referring to as selling off a huge collection of RTR and cassette decks was Viktor who I believe had to leave this list for personal reasons (which seemed related to why he was looking at selling the decks). I believe the original plan was to sell them on two batches (one RTR one cassette) then do them individually if that didn't work (which was expected to be the case). However, I think he was able to say he didn't need to sell them after all (after they didn't go in the first round) before he had to leave the list.-kby > I recall this picture used during the sales that you mentioned.? > I therefore believe this should be given a wide berth, > Regards, Ben > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 9.50am > Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? > > > > I was just wondering if this is the same guy who was posting here > to sell off > his HUGE cassette and RTR collection. > > I recall the screwloose reference in his personal webpage, I just > don't remember > is this is the same guy. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jul 26 21:13:58 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:13:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this a legit eBay auction for Dragons? Message-ID: <24585435.1185477238291.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Jeff, I thought it was a fraud!!! In any case, I alerted eBay that I wasn't 100% positive but that we knew the guy who had all these decks and it wasn't the seller. Well, eBay pulled the auctions. ---- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:55:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > rjlbjk at cox.net writes: > > I was just wondering if this is the same guy who was posting here to sell > off his HUGE cassette and RTR collection. > > I recall the screwloose reference in his personal webpage, I just don't > remember is this is the same guy. > > Anyone? Seems wrong to need to contact him BEFORE you place a bid. > > > > This listing is fraud - the guy is trying to get you to send money off eBay. > The email addresses _rock2best at gmail.com_ (mailto:rock2best at gmail.com) and > _8222ebay at gmail.com_ (mailto:8222ebay at gmail.com) have posted over 100 > fraudulent listings this week. > Also, I suspect that if you go to the website he suggests, you'll get a > Trojan on your computer. > Jeff W > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From danbarham at aol.com Fri Jul 27 03:47:34 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:47:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment Message-ID: <8C99E073CB3E786-AB4-37D2@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> I'm restoring a bunch of MR-2's and when going through the electrical adjustment, I can't set/check the bias oscillation frequency. The service manual says to connect a freq. counter to CN2-2 on the tape switch board. I have never been able to get any reading at all from this connector. I have tried using my Fluke 187 DVM, a Leader freq. counter and even my Tektronix o'scope but I show no reading at all, nothing. Actually, I get a steady .1 mV but that's not enough to get a freq. reading from. I've tried putting the deck in and out of record mode, tried switching tape and EQ settings, nothing. I should at least get a voltage glitch or spike when I change modes or settings shouldn't I? I've had this same problem with a BX-125 which additionally tells you to connect a .1 ohm resistor in series with the erase head. All of these decks playback and record fine so I know they must be working. Any thoughts or ideas? Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello List, ...thought someone might find useful recent maintenance episode with ZL7: got this deck from a user close by and apparently he'd gone completely digital since it appeared that the only operators of his ZL7 were his toddler children...and for the first 5 or 6 years in my care it seemed to operate fine then a few weeks ago noticed no playback on one channel so placed in care of local Nak experts in town and hoped for the best...was worried about the worst: need to replace head while it appears that there are no spares to be had or if you're lucky enough to find one, there're fairly dear called this afternoon after only 11 days and was informed that tasks were complete and ZL7 ready to be picked up.... as it happened my confirmed problem (or one of them) was '470 uf 10 volt electrolytic (which are called 'caps' here) shorted to ground on IC204.' with this diagnosis they decided to replace all eight caps on decoding board. also completed were some other items such as 'revitalizing pinch roller and idler tire, cleaning transport and oiling reel and capstan motor shafts and cleaning other controls as needed as well as replacing cassette door lamp and, probably quite important and certainly contributing to a better sounding Nak, was, after finding mech completely out of adjustment, adjusting head heights and azimuth. "Placed azimuth adjustor pawl to center position and adjusted VR304 azimuth phase post so auto azimuth illuminated red. adjusted rec/bias levels. checked THD 400HZ/0 DB RT/LT: .04% ..Maxell XlII Freq response 20HZ/20KHZ +/- 1 DB. Cleaned/demag transport." all this speedily done and for not too much usd while at the shop picking up ZL7, dropped off recent ebay 670ZX which had arrived with a couple minor complaints...will provide results when they become available by the way does anyone have, perhaps, an extra set (to sell) of four 'feet' that'd fit 670zx? report ends, thanks, dave dickerson, austin, tx ps: apology in advance for any list protocol violation...although a serious reader this has been first post and: Nak expert mentioned that very rarely does it occur that Nak heads (themselves) go wrong...at least in his experience.... From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 27 03:16:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:16:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What a DEAL! Message-ID: <072720070116.23063.46A947540007021800005A1722165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220131602477&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12 From benstratford at aol.com Fri Jul 27 08:45:55 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:45:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C99E30EAAD7713-8EC-403B@MBLK-M09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dave, Excellent details here, you seem to have struck gold with the repair shop.? Here in the UK, Nakamichi experts ere very few and far between.? I have a spare set of 4 feet but not sure if the right size until I get home, I'll let you know later.? (No Payment Required). Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: d. dickerson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 3.18am Subject: [naktalk] it lives! hello List,? ? ...thought someone might find useful recent maintenance episode with ZL7:? ? got this deck from a user close by and apparently he'd gone completely digital since it appeared that the only operators of his ZL7 were his toddler children...and for the first 5 or 6 years in my care it seemed to operate fine? ? then a few weeks ago noticed no playback on one channel? ? so placed in care of local Nak experts in town and hoped for the best...was worried about the worst: need to replace head while it appears that there are no spares to be had or if you're lucky enough to find one, there're fairly dear? ? called this afternoon after only 11 days and was informed that tasks were complete and ZL7 ready to be picked up....? ? as it happened my confirmed problem (or one of them) was '470 uf 10 volt electrolytic (which are called 'caps' here) shorted to ground on IC204.' with this diagnosis they decided to replace all eight caps on decoding board.? ? also completed were some other items such as 'revitalizing pinch roller and idler tire, cleaning transport and oiling reel and capstan motor shafts? ? and cleaning other controls as needed? ? as well as replacing cassette door lamp? ? and, probably quite important and certainly contributing to a better sounding Nak, was, after finding mech completely out of adjustment, adjusting head heights and azimuth. "Placed azimuth adjustor pawl to center position and adjusted VR304 azimuth phase post so auto azimuth illuminated red. adjusted rec/bias levels. checked THD 400HZ/0 DB RT/LT: .04% ..Maxell XlII Freq response 20HZ/20KHZ +/- 1 DB. Cleaned/demag transport."? ? all this speedily done and for not too much usd? ? while at the shop picking up ZL7, dropped off recent ebay 670ZX which had arrived with a couple minor complaints...will provide results when they become available? ? by the way does anyone have, perhaps, an extra set (to sell) of four 'feet' that'd fit 670zx?? ? report ends,? ? thanks,? ? dave dickerson, austin, tx? ? ps: apology in advance for any list protocol violation...although a serious reader this has been first post? ? and:? ? Nak expert mentioned that very rarely does it occur that Nak heads (themselves) go wrong...at least in his experience....? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 27 14:08:13 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:08:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! Message-ID: <072720071208.6555.46A9E02D000026CC0000199B22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Great to hear that you have such a competent (and reasonably priced) technician if your Nak decks should ever need repair! I have never heard of a ZL7 deck...could you possibly mean a ZX-7? *andy* From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 14:20:33 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:20:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! correction... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello List, please allow me to correct my report: my Nak is a ZX7 not a ZL7 think nomenclature problem may have resulted from following a 'ZL7' auto yesterday in one of my area's inevitable traffic jams.... sorry, and thanks for your patience, dave dickerson, austin, tx From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jul 27 17:34:22 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:34:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] it lives! Message-ID: Hi Dave, I have 4 spare feet for you - packed up and ready to go for your 670ZX. Hopefully they will be perfect. Just make sure that the screws are not too long and poke something they shouldn't. If you can mail me a shipping address off list, I'll sent them off soonest. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Fri Jul 27 16:54:15 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:54:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment Message-ID: <8C99E75230C5F4D-900-5260@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dan I don't have an MR-2 service manual, but I'm assuming MR-1 is the same in most respects. Try measuring the frequency at CN3-1 on the tape switch PCB with a frequency counter or CRO. The tape switch PCB contains the bias oscillator and T301. CN3-1 is the output to the erase head. In an MR-1 service manual, a measurement of the voltage at CN2-2 is the voltage across a 10 Ohm resistor in series with the record head - this will allow you to measure bias current on a suitably sensitive AC voltmeter. In an MR-1, CN2 is not on the tape switch PCB. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:47:34 -0400 From: danbarham at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8C99E073CB3E786-AB4-37D2 at webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm restoring a bunch of MR-2's and when going through the electrical adjustment, I can't set/check the bias oscillation frequency. The service manual says to connect a freq. counter to CN2-2 on the tape switch board. I have never been able to get any reading at all from this connector. I have tried using my Fluke 187 DVM, a Leader freq. counter and even my Tektronix o'scope but I show no reading at all, nothing. Actually, I get a steady .1 mV but that's not enough to get a freq. reading from. I've tried putting the deck in and out of record mode, tried switching tape and EQ settings, nothing. I should at least get a voltage glitch or spike when I change modes or settings shouldn't I? I've had this same problem with a BX-125 which additionally tells you to connect a .1 ohm resistor in series with the erase head. All of these decks playback and record fine so I know they must be working. Any thoughts or ideas? Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jul 27 17:53:19 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:53:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads Message-ID: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> I am sure we've all seen some rather oddball ads for Nakamichi decks, parts, service and the like. I submit the following as the oddest I've seen yet. The seller is a comedian without trying hard. I like the part where his friend gave him this Dragon RX202 and traded it all in for a boombox because it was easier to carry around. HUH? He did like carrying around his Nakamichi Dragon RX-202? I don't think I would want to carry it either plus the expense of a 2 mile extension cord plus speakers, etc,... You get the point, read the ad... http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-auto-reverse-casette-deck-RX-202_W0QQitemZ220133921204QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 27 18:18:10 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment In-Reply-To: <8C99E75230C5F4D-900-5260@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <404193.9641.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do not use MR1 service manual - as it is for 3 head - model with seperate play / record section while MR2 is a two head - so a lot different Kannan johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi Dan I don't have an MR-2 service manual, but I'm assuming MR-1 is the same in most respects. Try measuring the frequency at CN3-1 on the tape switch PCB with a frequency counter or CRO. The tape switch PCB contains the bias oscillator and T301. CN3-1 is the output to the erase head. In an MR-1 service manual, a measurement of the voltage at CN2-2 is the voltage across a 10 Ohm resistor in series with the record head - this will allow you to measure bias current on a suitably sensitive AC voltmeter. In an MR-1, CN2 is not on the tape switch PCB. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:47:34 -0400 From: danbarham at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8C99E073CB3E786-AB4-37D2 at webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm restoring a bunch of MR-2's and when going through the electrical adjustment, I can't set/check the bias oscillation frequency. The service manual says to connect a freq. counter to CN2-2 on the tape switch board. I have never been able to get any reading at all from this connector. I have tried using my Fluke 187 DVM, a Leader freq. counter and even my Tektronix o'scope but I show no reading at all, nothing. Actually, I get a steady .1 mV but that's not enough to get a freq. reading from. I've tried putting the deck in and out of record mode, tried switching tape and EQ settings, nothing. I should at least get a voltage glitch or spike when I change modes or settings shouldn't I? I've had this same problem with a BX-125 which additionally tells you to connect a .1 ohm resistor in series with the erase head. All of these decks playback and record fine so I know they must be working. Any thoughts or ideas? Dan --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Fri Jul 27 20:19:41 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:19:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] it lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello Ben, ...and many thanks for this... my address: dave dickerson 2812 Jorwoods Austin, TX 78745-5928 could i send you a couple blank cassettes in return? On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:34, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Dave, >   > I have 4 spare feet for you - packed up and ready to go for your > 670ZX.  Hopefully they will be perfect.  Just make sure that the > screws are not too long and poke something they shouldn't. >   > If you can mail me a shipping address off list, I'll sent them off > soonest. >   > Best Regards, Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 23:04:20 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:04:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> References: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", right? This guy is a phoney, he must be. Hi All! I just wanted to pop back in and say thanks for everyone who helped me out offlist in my quest to fix my TAN 77AN vacuum tube mike pre that Kermit made for my Namakichi 1000 back in the 1970s. Heres an update on the project. My son Josh and I had a go at trying to fix it. Josh is really good at audio things and has studied electronics in college, he took it to the instructor who couldnt figure out how the hell it worked. Anyway some of you guys wrote me off list and were a big help like Antoine Dechenes (I think I misspelt your last name, sorry Antoine) and Fred Lifton. Well we got it (the mike pre) running but it didn't sound right so we talked to Kermit several times and he was really swell trying to help us out. But we still couldnt get it to sound right because its so complicated. No hum but it just sounded wrong. I decided just to send it to him to get just the problem fixed, no overhaul or resotoration or upgrades. I wish other guys gave service like this: he gave several options from just fix the problem to complete restoration to even an upgrade and left the choice to me, no pressure. Then he said he was backlogged on work and suggested I keep it until his schedule cleared up and hed call and let me know when to ship it that way I didn't have to be without it for months. Shipping something rare makes me nervous so when I had an assignment in Omaha Nebraska this month so I made arrangements to drop it off in person to let him look at it. So Josh and I and Sarah my stepdaughter spent an afternoon at Kermits' place and he fixed it while we were there. I changed my mind and chose to get it completely overhauled and the output stage upgraded so it doesnt need the rare Western Electric tube any more. Took four hours but wow what a difference! This weekend Im doing my first recording with it on the 1000 of Josh's band. Josh and I listened to tape decks while we waited on his speakers and I ordered a pair of the smaller ones. Theyre a new model so I guess Im getting the first pair. Swell! On 7/27/07, Roland wrote: > > I am sure we've all seen some rather oddball ads for Nakamichi decks, > parts, service and the like. > > I submit the following as the oddest I've seen yet. The seller is a > comedian without trying hard. > > I like the part where his friend gave him this Dragon RX202 and traded it > all in for a boombox because it was easier to carry around. > > HUH? He did like carrying around his Nakamichi Dragon RX-202? I don't > think I would want to carry it either plus the expense of a 2 mile extension > cord plus speakers, etc,... -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jul 28 13:58:22 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:58:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal under bias Message-ID: Thanks to John Gipps for the further advice below on metal bias setting on a 582 deck. I have cleaned VR706 and VR806 and the tape select switch but to no avail. I don't think the heads are particularly worn as the rec and play heads are ones I bought new from B & W some years ago for the 581 and I transferred them to the 582 when I bought it. But perhaps there is enough to affect the metal bias. I can get the needles down to zero if I turn back the rec settings to -4 but I guess that doesn't help. I haven't used metal tapes before but bought a couple of batches on ebay recently. I found that I had replaced the transistors in the bias oscillators when I replaced the orange caps. I replaced Q303 again but it made no difference. Now after I had disturbed the machine another problem has popped up. When I turn the power on with a cassette in the machine, both the record and stop lights go on and then it puts itself into record. With no tape in there, it switches into play all by itself. It then takes several attempts to get stop to work. After that it settles down. Any clues on this one please? David >I'm confident it's not your bias oscillator as EX and SX tapes are calibrating ok - and you have already replaced the two 4.7nF bias oscillator caps. (In my experience, bias oscillators don't slowly decrease their output - it's generally quite dramatic and they fail causing non subtle effects). >Firstly, I would have a look at the condition of VR706 and VR806. These are the 10KOhm presets that you adjust when you adjust metal bias. I would be inclined to gain access to them and clean them by swamping with a spray such as CRC226 - and then rotating the wipers backwards and forwards a few dozen times to assist in the cleaning process. You could test their operation with a multimeter while setting the wipers to different positions. >Secondly, I would clean the contacts of the tape switch. This switch selects not only the bias preset, but also the record level attenuator. As you are able to adjust metal record level at present, this switch is probably ok - but while you are cleaning the bias pots, you could give the switch a clean at the same time. Same process - flood with CRC226 (my choice), and exercise a few dozen times. >If these two don't help, then my third suggestion is bad news. By the way, you say the response at 15KHz is +2dB or so - that's under biased, not, over biased. My third suggestion is that you may have a little head wear. Head wear will always cause trouble first with the highest bias tapes - namely metal. A slightly worn set of heads will sometimes give very good performance on EX and SX, but poor on ZX. One indicator will be the measurement of distortion - if distortion on a good SX position tape eg TDK SAX, is not as good as on a good EX position tape, eg Maxell UD, then this can also indicate that head wear is starting to affect performance. Examine your play head and record head for signs of wear (head no longer smoothly convex, but has a flat shiny section) - >if this is the case consider new heads or lose interest in metal tapes. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 18:46:18 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Metal under bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi David when problems occur - some tools are definitely required to understand what is happening in your case. One is good VTVM or wide bandwidth multimeter - soemthing like Fluke 187/189 becuase bais osc frequency is 104 KHZ and without a suitable meter - it si ssometimes difficult to pin point the problem area. I assume your Play head is correctly aligned ? If so keep it record play mode to check record head azimuth - try aturning the rec head azimuth knob only slightly to see that affects the bias calibration level. Second is voltage level on the bias triggering transistor and drop across the resistor in series with the bias oscillator check them - infact you can short one of the resistors( power resistor) to increase the bias current by increasing the voltage across the bias osc circuit. I also noticed sometimes erase head soldering of the terminal had short ( in one case) causing bais drop once removed and resoldered that problem vanished. I am just giving some possibilities here you to check but need not be the acual cause- I have also notced some caps in bias calibration adjusting circuit had to be replaced as they were leaky - can cause bias drop ( unusual ) - if the voltage across the bias Oscillator is fine - infact Nakamichi asks you to check bias current on teh erase had by using a series low value resistor - I assume if your metal tape is getting erased, bias oscillator is fine? coming to odd behaviour - check the timer record switch as well as the tape record tab sensor on the cassette well top. Only if the micro switch is shorted, it can cause the power on record pause mode? also you have to check record button whether any short is causing the machine to be in record mode as well as functioning of stop switch or other switches - good chances the earth part of transport function switching board might have come off or not connecting ? I am just reeling off lot of stuff but schematics and good tools should help you out? wish you quick success on this kannan David Thompson wrote: Thanks to John Gipps for the further advice below on metal bias setting on a 582 deck. I have cleaned VR706 and VR806 and the tape select switch but to no avail. I don't think the heads are particularly worn as the rec and play heads are ones I bought new from B & W some years ago for the 581 and I transferred them to the 582 when I bought it. But perhaps there is enough to affect the metal bias. I can get the needles down to zero if I turn back the rec settings to -4 but I guess that doesn't help. I haven't used metal tapes before but bought a couple of batches on ebay recently. I found that I had replaced the transistors in the bias oscillators when I replaced the orange caps. I replaced Q303 again but it made no difference. Now after I had disturbed the machine another problem has popped up. When I turn the power on with a cassette in the machine, both the record and stop lights go on and then it puts itself into record. With no tape in there, it switches into play all by itself. It then takes several attempts to get stop to work. After that it settles down. Any clues on this one please? David >I'm confident it's not your bias oscillator as EX and SX tapes are calibrating ok - and you have already replaced the two 4.7nF bias oscillator caps. (In my experience, bias oscillators don't slowly decrease their output - it's generally quite dramatic and they fail causing non subtle effects). >Firstly, I would have a look at the condition of VR706 and VR806. These are the 10KOhm presets that you adjust when you adjust metal bias. I would be inclined to gain access to them and clean them by swamping with a spray such as CRC226 - and then rotating the wipers backwards and forwards a few dozen times to assist in the cleaning process. You could test their operation with a multimeter while setting the wipers to different positions. >Secondly, I would clean the contacts of the tape switch. This switch selects not only the bias preset, but also the record level attenuator. As you are able to adjust metal record level at present, this switch is probably ok - but while you are cleaning the bias pots, you could give the switch a clean at the same time. Same process - flood with CRC226 (my choice), and exercise a few dozen times. >If these two don't help, then my third suggestion is bad news. By the way, you say the response at 15KHz is +2dB or so - that's under biased, not, over biased. My third suggestion is that you may have a little head wear. Head wear will always cause trouble first with the highest bias tapes - namely metal. A slightly worn set of heads will sometimes give very good performance on EX and SX, but poor on ZX. One indicator will be the measurement of distortion - if distortion on a good SX position tape eg TDK SAX, is not as good as on a good EX position tape, eg Maxell UD, then this can also indicate that head wear is starting to affect performance. Examine your play head and record head for signs of wear (head no longer smoothly convex, but has a flat shiny section) - >if this is the case consider new heads or lose interest in metal tapes. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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I'd concentrate on finding this signal with the CRO first, and then use the frequency counter - if your CRO has a vertical signal output, it might be convenient to connect this to the counter - that way whenever your CRO is displaying the bias oscillator waveform your counter will display the frequency. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:54:15 -0400 From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8C99E75230C5F4D-900-5260 at mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Dan I don't have an MR-2 service manual, but I'm assuming MR-1 is the same in most respects. Try measuring the frequency at CN3-1 on the tape switch PCB with a frequency counter or CRO. The tape switch PCB contains the bias oscillator and T301. CN3-1 is the output to the erase head. In an MR-1 service manual, a measurement of the voltage at CN2-2 is the voltage across a 10 Ohm resistor in series with the record head - this will allow you to measure bias current on a suitably sensitive AC voltmeter. In an MR-1, CN2 is not on the tape switch PCB. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:47:34 -0400 From: danbarham at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8C99E073CB3E786-AB4-37D2 at webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm restoring a bunch of MR-2's and when going through the electrical adjustment, I can't set/check the bias oscillation frequency. The service manual says to connect a freq. counter to CN2-2 on the tape switch board. I have never been able to get any reading at all from this connector. I have tried using my Fluke 187 DVM, a Leader freq. counter and even my Tektronix o'scope but I show no reading at all, nothing. Actually, I get a steady .1 mV but that's not enough to get a freq. reading from. I've tried putting the deck in and out of record mode, tried switching tape and EQ settings, nothing. I should at least get a voltage glitch or spike when I change modes or settings shouldn't I? I've had this same problem with a BX-125 which additionally tells you to connect a .1 ohm resistor in series with the erase head. All of these decks playback and record fine so I know they must be working. Any thoughts or ideas? Dan Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <404193.9641.qm at web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do not use MR1 service manual - as it is for 3 head - model with seperate play / record section while MR2 is a two head - so a lot different Kannan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Jul 29 12:50:49 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:50:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Metal under bias In-Reply-To: <200707291000.l6TA0NtR026124@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kannan You came up with some great thoughts there that led me to the solutions. First the odd record/play behaviour was because the timer was turned on ­ I must have turned it while cleaning the tape switch. Secondly, adjusting the record head azimith did make a difference and I was able to adjust it to get correct bias and rec settings with metal tape. I will check it again with test tapes. Many thanks David On 29/7/07 8:00 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:46:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal under bias > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <188172.48181.qm at web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi David > when problems occur - some tools are definitely required to understand what > is happening in your case. One is good VTVM or wide bandwidth multimeter - > soemthing like Fluke 187/189 becuase bais osc frequency is 104 KHZ and without > a suitable meter - it si ssometimes difficult to pin point the problem area. I > assume your Play head is correctly aligned ? > If so keep it record play mode to check record head azimuth - try aturning > the rec head azimuth knob only slightly to see that affects the bias > calibration level. > > Second is voltage level on the bias triggering transistor and drop across > the resistor in series with the bias oscillator check them - infact you can > short one of the resistors( power resistor) to increase the bias current by > increasing the voltage across the bias osc circuit. I also noticed sometimes > erase head soldering of the terminal had short ( in one case) causing bais > drop once removed and resoldered that problem vanished. > > I am just giving some possibilities here you to check but need not be the > acual cause- I have also notced some caps in bias calibration adjusting > circuit had to be replaced as they were leaky - can cause bias drop ( unusual > ) - if the voltage across the bias Oscillator is fine - infact Nakamichi asks > you to check bias current on teh erase had by using a series low value > resistor - I assume if your metal tape is getting erased, bias oscillator is > fine? > > coming to odd behaviour - check the timer record switch as well as the tape > record tab sensor on the cassette well top. Only if the micro switch is > shorted, it can cause the power on record pause mode? > > also you have to check record button whether any short is causing the > machine to be in record mode as well as functioning of stop switch or other > switches - good chances the earth part of transport function switching board > might have come off or not connecting ? > > I am just reeling off lot of stuff but schematics and good tools should help > you out? > > wish you quick success on this > kannan > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > Thanks to John Gipps for the further advice below on metal bias setting on a > 582 deck. > > I have cleaned VR706 and VR806 and the tape select switch but to no avail. I > don't think the heads are particularly worn as the rec and play heads are > ones I bought new from B & W some years ago for the 581 and I transferred > them to the 582 when I bought it. But perhaps there is enough to affect the > metal bias. I can get the needles down to zero if I turn back the rec > settings to -4 but I guess that doesn't help. > > I haven't used metal tapes before but bought a couple of batches on ebay > recently. > > I found that I had replaced the transistors in the bias oscillators when I > replaced the orange caps. I replaced Q303 again but it made no difference. > > Now after I had disturbed the machine another problem has popped up. > When I turn the power on with a cassette in the machine, both the record and > stop lights go on and then it puts itself into record. > With no tape in there, it switches into play all by itself. It then takes > several attempts to get stop to work. After that it settles down. > Any clues on this one please? > > David > > >> I'm confident it's not your bias oscillator as EX and SX tapes are > calibrating ok - and you have already replaced the two 4.7nF bias > oscillator caps. (In my experience, bias oscillators don't slowly > decrease their output - it's generally quite dramatic and they fail > causing non subtle effects). > >> Firstly, I would have a look at the condition of VR706 and VR806. These > are the 10KOhm presets that you adjust when you adjust metal bias. I > would be inclined to gain access to them and clean them by swamping > with a spray such as CRC226 - and then rotating the wipers backwards > and forwards a few dozen times to assist in the cleaning process. You > could test their operation with a multimeter while setting the wipers > to different positions. > >> Secondly, I would clean the contacts of the tape switch. This switch > selects not only the bias preset, but also the record level attenuator. > As you are able to adjust metal record level at present, this switch is > probably ok - but while you are cleaning the bias pots, you could give > the switch a clean at the same time. Same process - flood with CRC226 > (my choice), and exercise a few dozen times. > >> If these two don't help, then my third suggestion is bad news. By the > way, you say the response at 15KHz is +2dB or so - that's under biased, > not, over biased. My third suggestion is that you may have a little > head wear. Head wear will always cause trouble first with the highest > bias tapes - namely metal. A slightly worn set of heads will sometimes > give very good performance on EX and SX, but poor on ZX. One indicator > will be the measurement of distortion - if distortion on a good SX > position tape eg TDK SAX, is not as good as on a good EX position tape, > eg Maxell UD, then this can also indicate that head wear is starting to > affect performance. Examine your play head and record head for signs of > wear (head no longer smoothly convex, but has a flat shiny section) - >> if this is the case consider new heads or lose interest in metal tapes. From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jul 29 14:34:41 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:34:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement References: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> Hi, I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do someone has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps for a ZX7? What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? I hope you can help me , Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jul 29 15:28:54 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:28:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: References: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <46AC9616.3090307@snet.net> He's no phony, he just doesn't know what he's talking about... probably sells everything from tag sale mickey mouse watches to hot plates... oh and Nakamichi's when they pass by. Seriously, the second most dangerous seller on ebay (just behind the scam artists) are those who actually are decent people who simply don't know the difference between a Sharp and a Nak (except that the Nak can "actually spit the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play.") Ed Jerry McPhail wrote: > This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually > spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do > continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the > motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", > right? This guy is a phoney, he must be. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 29 17:54:53 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon strange line mute issue Message-ID: <880086.73107.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought I will post this - ask Tom particularly about this strange issue. If any of you could look at Dragon' service manual and try to give me some suggestion - It will be great. I will gift of one Nakamichi metal cassette ( or some other metal cassette) sealed as a gift to any one who would set me on the right track to troubleshoot this issue My latest Dragon had originally a muting issue while going from stop to play mode( you can hear a switching noise when you go from stop mode to play mode) - basically due to two switching transistors at the line ourtput -Q102/202 on the Volume PCB. I replaced these two - and that problem solved. However only when you switch from forward play to reverse play - you can hear a switching noise telling me some switching pulse that should work when transport play mode back to stop mode is not correctly functioning. Some form of muting back from unmute mode is malfunctioning. While going from reverse play to forward play- mute function works as well as any other mode to any other mode. Only when I switch Reverse play when the Dragon is Forward play, the muting does not work during the short interval when play mode goes to stop mode and then to reverse play mode! Q304/305 are the two transistors getting large number of switching pulses depending on the transport modes causing mute to unmute part back to mute. So let me know where I can look for a solution to locate the problem area thanks Naktalk - I am sure somebody would help me with this Kanann --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jul 29 18:16:22 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:16:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement In-Reply-To: <002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> References: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> Message-ID: <46ACBD56.4030401@rcn.com> Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do someone > has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps for a ZX7? You are assuming *all* ZX7s have orange caps in the exactly same locations. This may -- or may not -- be true. > What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? polypropylene caps. The problem is that PP caps you can buy could be physically larger than the originals (even though the original caps are also PP). This may require some care in installation. Panasonic used to make pretty good PP caps (ECQ series) some of which are carried by Digi-Key in 5% and even 2% tolerances. >I hope you can help me I wonder why you'd want to replace all orange caps in your deck. There are people on this list that fervently believe in "re-capping" though none, if I recall correctly, is an engineer or even a technician and none has managed to satisfactorily explain why. I realize the act of replacing components/soldering it may make you feel good, but there are some serious arguments why this is not advisable. (I won't bore you with them here -- feel free to peruse the archive). Good luck, -- Ron > > Regards Norman > From timbarrett at cox.net Sun Jul 29 18:58:12 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:58:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement In-Reply-To: <002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> References: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> Message-ID: <46ACC724.1080906@cox.net> Norman - I replaced many of the 'orange caps' in my ZX-7 several years ago. Attached is an Excel file with a list that I made at the time. I didn't replace all of caps in the machine, but I did replace most of them. In my case, the symptom was crackling noises in one channel during recording, and the offending cap was on the dolby board. I don't think you can count on every ZX-7 having the exact same parts in them, so this list may not be comprehensive for your machine. Tim Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do someone > has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps for a ZX7? > What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? I hope > you can help me , > > Regards Norman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ZX-7 orange cap list.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 24576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jul 29 20:29:07 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:29:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement References: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> <46ACBD56.4030401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c7d20e$59c6e2d0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> Hi Ron, I consider to replace all the caps because it seems to me that the original caps have a limited time of life. And if that is the issue why should we wait till next cap fails? I have not followed discussions about replacement off all caps or just the failed one. But i must say that i 'm curious to know why not replacing them all. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement > Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> Hi, >> I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do someone >> has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps for a ZX7? > > You are assuming *all* ZX7s have orange caps in the > exactly same locations. This may -- or may not -- be > true. > >> What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? > > polypropylene caps. The problem is that PP caps > you can buy could be physically larger than the > originals (even though the original caps are also > PP). This may require some care in installation. > Panasonic used to make pretty good PP caps (ECQ > series) some of which are carried by Digi-Key in > 5% and even 2% tolerances. > >>I hope you can help me > > I wonder why you'd want to replace all orange caps > in your deck. There are people on this list that > fervently believe in "re-capping" though none, if > I recall correctly, is an engineer or even a > technician and none has managed to satisfactorily > explain why. I realize the act of replacing > components/soldering it may make you feel good, but > there are some serious arguments why this is not > advisable. (I won't bore you with them here -- feel > free to peruse the archive). > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > >> Regards Norman >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2427 (20070728) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 20:46:02 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:46:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: <46AC9616.3090307@snet.net> References: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> <46AC9616.3090307@snet.net> Message-ID: That's a good point. eBay can be a good place to find old things but it seems most of the sellers dont know what their talking about. You know in some way things havent changed. I remember going into stereo stores in the 1970s and 1980s and sometimes the salesmen would often tell you that a Nak wasnt worth the money, you could get just as good a sound with a Pioneer CT-F9191 or som eother brand. I will never forget this one guy try to sell me a Dual 939 for "only" $500 because it was just as good as "that overpriced" Nak 600. The big advantage of the Dual, according to the salesman, was it's "revolutionary" LED bargraph VU meter and the hinged dust cover. This salesman really had a thing about the hinged dust cover because the 600s dustcover simply sat on top and this was a ripoff according to the saleman and showed just how overpriced Nakamichi was. Also the 600 didn't have mike jacks and the Dual did which supposedly was another reason Dual was better, because Nakamichi cassettes didnt have mike jacks. I pointed to the Nak decks in the same showroom and showed the salesman the 550 700 and 1000 all had mike jacks. He just walked off and I never saw him again. No, I didn't buy the Dual cassette deck. so I guess we've always had to deal with know-nothing sellers even pro salesmen. I dont know if you remember the Dual cassete decks but I thought they looked cheap compared to Nakamichi. Its the sound not the look that counts and the sound wasnt as good of course. On 7/29/07, Edward Noyes wrote: > > He's no phony, he just doesn't know what he's talking about... probably > sells everything from tag sale mickey mouse watches to hot plates... oh and > Nakamichi's when they pass by. Seriously, the second most dangerous seller > on ebay (just behind the scam artists) are those who actually are decent > people who simply don't know the difference between a Sharp and a Nak > (except that the Nak can "actually spit the tape out and spinning it then > sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play.") > > Ed > > Jerry McPhail wrote: > > This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually > spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do > continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the > motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", right? > This guy is a phoney, he must be. > > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Jul 29 21:04:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:04:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement Message-ID: Hi Norman, I would assume you want to replace the orange caps because one or more has failed? If so it makes sense to change them all in my opinion, for your peace of mind if nothing else. During my research I read the comments of Steven Sank on Scott's excellent site of the Orange caps, this helped with my decision to change them all. I did this on 2 decks that had a problem, one problem exactly as Tim described, but not on a ZX-7. The other deck had non working level meters. Both decks are working fine now. Ron is spot on with regard to the size issues and the fact that many decks have revised component lists throughout their manufacturing run. Indeed, one particular deck had a mistake in the service manual which is only evident when the deck is opened up and inspected. I have in the past searched for a few caps that were elusive and found that when they arrived, their physical size / shape would not have been suitable to install. In the end, you will find the right ones or you could get them made for you. Piggybacking caps together to add their capacitance has been used successfully by some people also. In terms of which material is best? I have tried polyester, polypropylene and polystyrene. All work. Having asked the same question, some experts advised me that polystyrene was the best. I fitted these to the above 2 decks and they work and sound fine. One drawback though is that they cost considerably more than the polyester or polypropylene caps. Perhaps that's why they were not originally employed? The arguments for not replacing all the caps were mainly around cost and consequential damage - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I thought the likelihood of further failures outweighed the risks. Personally, I have considerable practice in soldering so the task held no fears for me. Am I an Electrical Engineer? Sadly no, my brain is too small to hope to gain the necessary understanding and qualifications. Mechanical Engineering - that's a different matter. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Mon Jul 30 01:14:27 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:14:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 electrical alignment UPDATE!! Message-ID: <8C9A04D57FCC4D3-AB4-BF70@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Greetings folks! ??? I found the problem with my inability to check/set the bias frequency on the MR-2's. After scratching my head, trying some suggestions of a few members and walking away from it several times, I went to the schematic to start back-tracking from the erase head to see where I was losing the signal. Upon looking at the schematic, it said?depending on the line I was tracing, I should be seeing anywhere from 10 to 56V going in and out of the bias oscillator unit, and I was only getting .1mV! (Thanks Nakamichi for putting in the key voltages on their schematics!!!) ?I thought I must be doing something wrong. What I discovered was that in order to check/set both the bias oscillator frequency and the bias trap adjustment (rec. amp), the deck has to be in record/PLAY mode, not record/PAUSE like the service manual tells you. Upon putting the deck in record/play mode, everything was acting as it should and it was a piece of cake to set the bias parameters. Mystery solved! I was going crazy trying to figure out why none of my equipment could get a simple reading out of any of the decks I was trying to set it on. I wouldn't think the deck being in play/pause and play/record would be any different to the bias oscillator but it's the difference between on and off! Thought you would all like to know and hopefully I helped out anyone else that was having the same problem. Dan Chicago, IL ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Mon Jul 30 01:35:07 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:35:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 belt replacement Message-ID: <8C9A0503B41F4C3-AB4-C027@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> I thought I would start a new thread for this one and keep it separate from the bias osc. thread I posted previously. As some of you know, I have been refurbishing a bunch of MR-2's (I have seven right now, but one is definitely a parts unit seeing as how the main circuit board is smashed) and in so doing, been replacing belts and idler wheels (unless it has the gear drive). The first two I overhauled I used genuine Nakamichi belts for the capstan drive and upon testing their W+F, they came out equal to or better than their listed spec of .06% WTD/ .11% peak according to my Leader LFM-39A wow and flutter meter. The third one however, I used a PRB replacement belt with the same diameter and width but almost twice as thick. I knew it was not like the original but it seems to be generally accepted that the Sankyo transports are not as picky about having an original belt as the classic transport requiring the?OCO8096C belt that is now virtually unobtanium. Well this one?measured at about .35%!?Way too high! You can audibly hear the 3kHz tone wavering quite distinctly. I haven't tried putting the original Nak belt back on it yet but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this on a Sankyo two head transport. It's PRB belt FRX6.7, the same one Scott lists in his FAQ about replacement belts. If this is the case, have you found a better alternative? I'll get the NAK belt put back on to?see if that corrects the problem and post my results when I get a chance. Cheers, Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Jul 30 00:15:18 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:15:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Personal RX-505 up on eBay Item 160142709853 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200707292217.l6TMFRhP005497@zxe.naks.com> ALL, I have just entered my rx-505 item 160142709853 into the eBay auction site. Just FYI. I did not use it as I thought I would and I rather sell it. When I purchased it, I played with it until the novelty wore off and it sat.just..sat. I have put 10 minutes AT MOST on this deck over the time I have had it. I had Vic go over it and clean it in march and its running very nice. I do not mean to violate any rules by posting this so forgive me if I have. Cheers all, Marc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 22:14:10 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:14:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: References: <11854090.1185551599544.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> <46AC9616.3090307@snet.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92900707291314u90d73faxd5aefff713873925@mail.gmail.com> That Dual was a true dog, but it had a great profit margin and most stores spiffed it heavily to the salesman. That's why you had that expeience! Willy On 7/29/07, Jerry McPhail wrote: > > That's a good point. eBay can be a good place to find old things but it > seems most of the sellers dont know what their talking about. You know in > some way things havent changed. I remember going into stereo stores in the > 1970s and 1980s and sometimes the salesmen would often tell you that a Nak > wasnt worth the money, you could get just as good a sound with a Pioneer > CT-F9191 or som eother brand. I will never forget this one guy try to sell > me a Dual 939 for "only" $500 because it was just as good as "that > overpriced" Nak 600. The big advantage of the Dual, according to the > salesman, was it's "revolutionary" LED bargraph VU meter and the hinged dust > cover. This salesman really had a thing about the hinged dust cover because > the 600s dustcover simply sat on top and this was a ripoff according to the > saleman and showed just how overpriced Nakamichi was. Also the 600 didn't > have mike jacks and the Dual did which supposedly was another reason Dual > was better, because Nakamichi cassettes didnt have mike jacks. I pointed to > the Nak decks in the same showroom and showed the salesman the 550 700 and > 1000 all had mike jacks. He just walked off and I never saw him again. No, I > didn't buy the Dual cassette deck. so I guess we've always had to deal with > know-nothing sellers even pro salesmen. I dont know if you remember the Dual > cassete decks but I thought they looked cheap compared to Nakamichi. Its the > sound not the look that counts and the sound wasnt as good of course. > > On 7/29/07, Edward Noyes wrote: > > > > He's no phony, he just doesn't know what he's talking about... probably > > sells everything from tag sale mickey mouse watches to hot plates... oh and > > Nakamichi's when they pass by. Seriously, the second most dangerous seller > > on ebay (just behind the scam artists) are those who actually are decent > > people who simply don't know the difference between a Sharp and a Nak > > (except that the Nak can "actually spit the tape out and spinning it > > then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play.") > > > > Ed > > > > Jerry McPhail wrote: > > > > This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually > > spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do > > continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the > > motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", > > right? This guy is a phoney, he must be. > > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jul 30 01:23:07 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <969404.21182.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It won't hurt if you handle the desoldering/soldering correctly ( to replace all the Orange Caps if this is what you want to do ). I used to replace surface-mounted capacitors and resistors ( 0402 size ) quite often when I dedug my server designs in the past. I believe the most important thing is to have the right tool and use them correctly. I believe a temperature controlled soldering iron with the right tip is the most important tool to do the work as well as desoldering wick and/or pump. A lot of time I think the damage is caused by people using a soldering iron that is too high wattage as well as apply too much heat to the area where they want to do the work. Otherwise it is not that bad. It just requires time and double check component values. As usual this is just my own opinions. Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi Norman, I would assume you want to replace the orange caps because one or more has failed? If so it makes sense to change them all in my opinion, for your peace of mind if nothing else. During my research I read the comments of Steven Sank on Scott's excellent site of the Orange caps, this helped with my decision to change them all. I did this on 2 decks that had a problem, one problem exactly as Tim described, but not on a ZX-7. The other deck had non working level meters. Both decks are working fine now. Ron is spot on with regard to the size issues and the fact that many decks have revised component lists throughout their manufacturing run. Indeed, one particular deck had a mistake in the service manual which is only evident when the deck is opened up and inspected. I have in the past searched for a few caps that were elusive and found that when they arrived, their physical size / shape would not have been suitable to install. In the end, you will find the right ones or you could get them made for you. Piggybacking caps together to add their capacitance has been used successfully by some people also. In terms of which material is best? I have tried polyester, polypropylene and polystyrene. All work. Having asked the same question, some experts advised me that polystyrene was the best. I fitted these to the above 2 decks and they work and sound fine. One drawback though is that they cost considerably more than the polyester or polypropylene caps. Perhaps that's why they were not originally employed? The arguments for not replacing all the caps were mainly around cost and consequential damage - If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I thought the likelihood of further failures outweighed the risks. Personally, I have considerable practice in soldering so the task held no fears for me. Am I an Electrical Engineer? Sadly no, my brain is too small to hope to gain the necessary understanding and qualifications. Mechanical Engineering - that's a different matter. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 15:48:53 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:48:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? Message-ID: <073020071348.5770.46ADEC450000108B0000168A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hmmm... This must be one of those rare LX / ZX models! Still, it looks kind of nifty. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290144450130&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jul 30 16:36:46 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? In-Reply-To: <073020071348.5770.46ADEC450000108B0000168A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <700216.51199.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Look likes a TRANSFORMER to me !! hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hmmm... This must be one of those rare LX / ZX models! Still, it looks kind of nifty. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290144450130&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 30 16:37:20 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:37:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Door ?? References: <073020071348.5770.46ADEC450000108B0000168A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007101c7d2b7$22bb8030$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Good 4 the money. Door doesn't look right but U seem to get some pretty good bargains over there which is pretty rare over here. Problem is they cost around $100 to ship to the UK in any decent timeframe that's why I bought the 682 here when it came up. By the time the vendor had added VAT [he was a reg business] & p&p it cost me around $320 but 'luckily' it only seemd to have needed the lights & belts so......... I bet U could have got it for around $200 all-in over there, same ratio 1:2 [dollar:pound] that nearly always prevails, Oh and I forgot to say that our dear Chancellor [GB] would also want a further cut if value is above $35 [often overlooked] I have been watching a nice 680Z, just for interest, that currently stands at $63. i will be interested to see what it makes later today [ur time] Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? > > Hmmm... This must be one of those rare LX / ZX models! Still, it looks > kind of nifty. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290144450130&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.25/926 - Release Date: > 29/07/2007 23:14 > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 30 16:41:43 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:41:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement In-Reply-To: <001401c7d20e$59c6e2d0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> References: <188172.48181.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002401c7d1dc$d65196b0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> <46ACBD56.4030401@rcn.com> <001401c7d20e$59c6e2d0$53f66391@a8n32slidlx> Message-ID: <46ADF8A7.6020707@rcn.com> 1. Many (or maybe, all) of the caps you replace could last for the life of the deck. 2. Mass replacement of parts on such old boards is not good for the unit. You better be very adept with a soldering iron, or you could easily do more damage than good. 3. No one guarantees that the new caps will last any longer than those you replace. Some parts can be bad right out of the box. 4. Following replacement of some caps the deck will need to be re-aligned. Do you know which? Do you have the knowledge and experience to perform the alignment? Do you have *all* the necessary gauges and test instruments? If not, you'll need to have it done. Find out the cost of the job, shipping back and forth (if necessary) and hassle, before embarking on the job. Off hand, these issues come to mind. I can probably come up with a couple of other risks. -- Ron Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I consider to replace all the caps because it seems to me that the > original caps have a limited time of life. > And if that is the issue why should we wait till next cap fails? I have > not followed discussions about replacement off all caps or just the > failed one. > But i must say that i 'm curious to know why not replacing them all. > > Regards Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX7 Orange caps replacement > > >> Norman van Wijnen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I want to replace all of the Orange caps in my beloved ZX7. Do >>> someone has made a list of replacement parts and values of the caps >>> for a ZX7? >> >> You are assuming *all* ZX7s have orange caps in the >> exactly same locations. This may -- or may not -- be >> true. >> >>> What are the best caps you can buy for replacement these days? >> >> polypropylene caps. The problem is that PP caps >> you can buy could be physically larger than the >> originals (even though the original caps are also >> PP). This may require some care in installation. >> Panasonic used to make pretty good PP caps (ECQ >> series) some of which are carried by Digi-Key in >> 5% and even 2% tolerances. >> >>> I hope you can help me >> >> I wonder why you'd want to replace all orange caps >> in your deck. There are people on this list that >> fervently believe in "re-capping" though none, if >> I recall correctly, is an engineer or even a >> technician and none has managed to satisfactorily >> explain why. I realize the act of replacing >> components/soldering it may make you feel good, but >> there are some serious arguments why this is not >> advisable. (I won't bore you with them here -- feel >> free to peruse the archive). >> >> Good luck, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> Regards Norman >>> From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Jul 30 20:24:04 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:24:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service in France ? In-Reply-To: <5m7t83lbjkirdfql0c8inqja1brdc6mofv@4ax.com> References: <5m7t83lbjkirdfql0c8inqja1brdc6mofv@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:00:36 +0200, Bernard Pradie wrote: >Hello everybody ! > >I'm new in this list. I hope my bad english will not to boring. > >Does somebody know a good repair service for Naks in France. > >Thank you. Well I did a little Googling and perhaps this place is ok for you: http://www.dephison.com/sonorisation.htm CJ ROCHETTE Centre de Réparation Midi Pyrénées Haute Fidélité Matériel Vintage Collection Avant de passer à notre SAV, prenez rendez-vous, contactez-nous 72H à l'avance 06.61.42.61.90 05.65.11.61.05 le Bourg 46210 Saint Cirgues ............... My take on french is almost non-existing. But Nakamichi is listed. I don't know where the Midi Pyrénées are in relation to you but it sounds french enough to me ;) -Mikkel From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Jul 30 23:50:38 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:50:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? In-Reply-To: <073020071348.5770.46ADEC450000108B0000168A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <073020071348.5770.46ADEC450000108B0000168A22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46AE5D2E.5020109@cox.net> Gee, this looks like something I should jump on, because I have a ZX-7 AND live in Fairfax, just like the seller. AND I have a spare door, because I recently purchased a used door to replace my slightly cosmetically flawed original door. It's like kismet, man. Tim hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hmmm... This must be one of those rare LX / ZX models! Still, it looks kind of nifty. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290144450130&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 31 00:06:46 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:06:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And the Dual 939 transport was a mechanical nightmare! It rarely broke however. I always felt the Dual was a successor to the Advent 201. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jerry McPhail Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads That's a good point. eBay can be a good place to find old things but it seems most of the sellers dont know what their talking about. You know in some way things havent changed. I remember going into stereo stores in the 1970s and 1980s and sometimes the salesmen would often tell you that a Nak wasnt worth the money, you could get just as good a sound with a Pioneer CT-F9191 or som eother brand. I will never forget this one guy try to sell me a Dual 939 for "only" $500 because it was just as good as "that overpriced" Nak 600. The big advantage of the Dual, according to the salesman, was it's "revolutionary" LED bargraph VU meter and the hinged dust cover. This salesman really had a thing about the hinged dust cover because the 600s dustcover simply sat on top and this was a ripoff according to the saleman and showed just how overpriced Nakamichi was. Also the 600 didn't have mike jacks and the Dual did which supposedly was another reason Dual was better, because Nakamichi cassettes didnt have mike jacks. I pointed to the Nak decks in the same showroom and showed the salesman the 550 700 and 1000 all had mike jacks. He just walked off and I never saw him again. No, I didn't buy the Dual cassette deck. so I guess we've always had to deal with know-nothing sellers even pro salesmen. I dont know if you remember the Dual cassete decks but I thought they looked cheap compared to Nakamichi. Its the sound not the look that counts and the sound wasnt as good of course. On 7/29/07, Edward Noyes wrote: He's no phony, he just doesn't know what he's talking about... probably sells everything from tag sale mickey mouse watches to hot plates... oh and Nakamichi's when they pass by. Seriously, the second most dangerous seller on ebay (just behind the scam artists) are those who actually are decent people who simply don't know the difference between a Sharp and a Nak (except that the Nak can "actually spit the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play.") Ed Jerry McPhail wrote: This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", right? This guy is a phoney, he must be. -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jul 31 01:40:06 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <706402.84579.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: Does the Advent 201 broke down a lot ? Mike hitech wrote: And the Dual 939 transport was a mechanical nightmare! It rarely broke however. I always felt the Dual was a successor to the Advent 201. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jerry McPhail Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] We need a seperate forum for funny eBay ads That's a good point. eBay can be a good place to find old things but it seems most of the sellers dont know what their talking about. You know in some way things havent changed. I remember going into stereo stores in the 1970s and 1980s and sometimes the salesmen would often tell you that a Nak wasnt worth the money, you could get just as good a sound with a Pioneer CT-F9191 or som eother brand. I will never forget this one guy try to sell me a Dual 939 for "only" $500 because it was just as good as "that overpriced" Nak 600. The big advantage of the Dual, according to the salesman, was it's "revolutionary" LED bargraph VU meter and the hinged dust cover. This salesman really had a thing about the hinged dust cover because the 600s dustcover simply sat on top and this was a ripoff according to the saleman and showed just how overpriced Nakamichi was. Also the 600 didn't have mike jacks and the Dual did which supposedly was another reason Dual was better, because Nakamichi cassettes didnt have mike jacks. I pointed to the Nak decks in the same showroom and showed the salesman the 550 700 and 1000 all had mike jacks. He just walked off and I never saw him again. No, I didn't buy the Dual cassette deck. so I guess we've always had to deal with know-nothing sellers even pro salesmen. I dont know if you remember the Dual cassete decks but I thought they looked cheap compared to Nakamichi. Its the sound not the look that counts and the sound wasnt as good of course. On 7/29/07, Edward Noyes wrote: He's no phony, he just doesn't know what he's talking about... probably sells everything from tag sale mickey mouse watches to hot plates... oh and Nakamichi's when they pass by. Seriously, the second most dangerous seller on ebay (just behind the scam artists) are those who actually are decent people who simply don't know the difference between a Sharp and a Nak (except that the Nak can "actually spit the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play.") Ed Jerry McPhail wrote: This is a hoot! the seller says "It has a neat feature of actually spitting the tape out and spinning it then sucking it back in to do continuous auto-reverse play instead of switching the direction of the motors inside the machine." it must use "Regurgitronic Technology", right? This guy is a phoney, he must be. -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 13:17:10 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:17:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? Message-ID: <073120071117.1225.46AF1A36000B2D25000004C922155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hey, Tim: Well, it looks like you really are the ideal buyer for this ZX-7! Good Luck with your bidding, and let us know how it turns out! *andy* -----Original Message----- From: Tim Barrett Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's Wrong With This Picture? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46AE5D2E.5020109 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gee, this looks like something I should jump on, because I have a ZX-7 AND live in Fairfax, just like the seller. AND I have a spare door, because I recently purchased a used door to replace my slightly cosmetically flawed original door. It's like kismet, man. Tim From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 13:23:22 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:23:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Won't Auto-Calibrate Message-ID: <073120071123.10030.46AF1BAA000694790000272E22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have been trying to get my 682ZX to auto-calibrate. I have followed the instructions in the owner's manual exactly. I have also thoroughly cleaned and demagnetised the heads and tape transport. I have used a variety of high-bias tapes, including some tapes that are actually listed in the manual. I have even given my 682ZX a stern lecture and sent it to bed without any supper! Still no luck! At the end of the auto-calibration process, I get what Nakamichi calls an "alarm status" -- blinking lights on the Auto-Calibration and Stop buttons, which indicate that auto-calibration could not be performed. I am suspecting either something mechanical needs lubrication/rejuvenating, or maybe there is a problem with the bias circuit? The deck still plays and records incredibly well, so it's not too big a deal for me. Still, I would like to know that it is 100 percent operating condition. Any help will be appreciated, as always! *andy* From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 31 17:06:58 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:06:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Strange References: <073120071123.10030.46AF1BAA000694790000272E22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00c801c7d384$711e8d80$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Very strange !! As I said yesterday mine has now worked perfectly two times in a row [so I will leave it well alone]. I haven't done any lube'ing [yet], just changed the two counter belts. Only thiong I can thinlk of is the 'long' counter belt might appreciate a change & it would be this one that would action the fast reverse 'post calibration' [which minew didn't do prior to its replacement] A bit of a long shot but I remember Jeff Whittier drew my attention to the importance of this belt, at least on the later mechs, when I was stilling having issues on my CR-3. Sure enough, changing this belt [also entitled a back yension belt ?] did fix that problem [but it was related to playing only] Might be worth a try Did U reset the bias's for each tape type first using the 15Khz button ? This was my original 'breakthrough !!' Essentially I was behaving as if the tapes were NOT of the approved types that Nak say need no adjustment [& perhaps whem mfd in 1982 they didn't !!] Best I can do with my limited knowledge. U could try Henk Schenk's site if it isa back as he has a problem section on this deck REgards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Won't Auto-Calibrate > > OK, I have been trying to get my 682ZX to auto-calibrate. > > I have followed the instructions in the owner's manual exactly. > > I have also thoroughly cleaned and demagnetised the heads and tape > transport. > > I have used a variety of high-bias tapes, including some tapes that are > actually listed in the manual. > > I have even given my 682ZX a stern lecture and sent it to bed without any > supper! Still no luck! At the end of the auto-calibration process, I get > what Nakamichi calls an "alarm status" -- blinking lights on the > Auto-Calibration and Stop buttons, which indicate that auto-calibration > could not be performed. > > I am suspecting either something mechanical needs > lubrication/rejuvenating, or maybe there is a problem with the bias > circuit? > > The deck still plays and records incredibly well, so it's not too big a > deal for me. Still, I would like to know that it is 100 percent operating > condition. > > Any help will be appreciated, as always! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 30/07/2007 > 17:02 > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 31 22:46:12 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:46:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Won't Auto-Calibrate In-Reply-To: <073120071123.10030.46AF1BAA000694790000272E22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Remove the top cover and look at the black housinf with the blue "ladder" emerging from it. During azimuth calibrate, the motor can be heard. On the back side is an indicator with a white tick mark. If you hear the motor running but the white mark doesn't move, your azimuth belt must be replaced. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Won't Auto-Calibrate OK, I have been trying to get my 682ZX to auto-calibrate. I have followed the instructions in the owner's manual exactly. I have also thoroughly cleaned and demagnetised the heads and tape transport. I have used a variety of high-bias tapes, including some tapes that are actually listed in the manual. I have even given my 682ZX a stern lecture and sent it to bed without any supper! Still no luck! At the end of the auto-calibration process, I get what Nakamichi calls an "alarm status" -- blinking lights on the Auto-Calibration and Stop buttons, which indicate that auto-calibration could not be performed. I am suspecting either something mechanical needs lubrication/rejuvenating, or maybe there is a problem with the bias circuit? The deck still plays and records incredibly well, so it's not too big a deal for me. Still, I would like to know that it is 100 percent operating condition. Any help will be appreciated, as always! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 00:03:13 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <465F0622.5010603@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <908594.84576.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have checked Cassette Deck 1 which is same as DR1 . It sounds or records same way as older Naks and hence should be Meeting IEC 1 standard not later IEC II. Kannan Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > >> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic NAKs and >> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B >> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and from my >> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 >> complies with ? Thanks, Manos > > > Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions are > just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, with > maybe slight modifications. > > rgds LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Thanks Luis Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded with the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all cables that i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can still use my headphones.... Cheers, Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jun 1 07:47:40 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:47:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <465F0622.5010603@otenet.gr> References: <465DF28E.2080104@otenet.gr> <465EE9B7.3000404@peromarta.org> <465F0622.5010603@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <465FB2FC.4020008@peromarta.org> "How it sounds" may be a little too subjetive. You need a -20db recording of a few frequencies, from 10KHz to 20KHz, and check the playback response. lp. Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> >> >> Emmanuel Komninos wrote: >> >>> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic NAKs and >>> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B >>> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and from my >>> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 >>> complies with ? Thanks, Manos >> >> >> Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions are >> just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, with >> maybe slight modifications. >> >> rgds LP. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >> Thanks Luis > > Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or > should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded with > the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all cables that > i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and > RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can still > use my headphones.... > Cheers, Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Jun 1 02:22:33 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:22:33 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <908594.84576.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <908594.84576.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465F66C9.80301@otenet.gr> Kannan thanks for your input. There is a big bang on prices on the Internet with blank audio cassettes for quite some time now, and i see many merchants advertising their stock -which by the way part of it is IEC IV - as "good for Nakamichi!" and of course they get extremely high prices for them.... you get to see 80-90 USD for one metal tape and even more, i wonder what we will see in a couple of years when the metal is over!!! Manos kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I have checked Cassette Deck 1 which is same as DR1 . It sounds or > records same way as older Naks and hence should be Meeting IEC 1 > standard not later IEC II. > Kannan > > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > > > >> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic > NAKs and > >> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B > >> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and > from my > >> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 > >> complies with ? Thanks, Manos > > > > > > Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions > are > > just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, > with > > maybe slight modifications. > > > > rgds LP. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > Thanks Luis > > Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or > should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded > with > the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all > cables that > i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and > RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can > still > use my headphones.... > Cheers, Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pinpoint customers > who > are looking for what you sell. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jun 1 13:58:34 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:58:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] About the CR-7a Repair.... Message-ID: <060120071158.23874.466009EA0003577B00005D4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I want to thank everyone so far for your comments...even for the discouraging ones! LOL Seriously, I know I'm probably getting into a can of worms here, but I have some experience working with electronics. I am also experienced with doing work on PC boards. I have a fair amount of tools and testers, including a T-100. Fixing audio components has become something of a hobby of mine, so when this deck appeared on eBay with the seller saying in no uncertain terms that it did NOT work, I actually became keenly interested! LOL, I guess I'm weird! Since I acquired this CR-7a for a low price and since it looks EXTREMELY clean and probably has never been abused, I think I have a chance at fixing it. I consider it a challenge to be met (fist raised in the air). Thanks again to everyone.... P.S.: I have also just done a Buy It Now on eBay for a PERFECT ZX-9. $475 plus shipping! Can't wait to get THAT one home! *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 1 15:17:55 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:17:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] About the CR-7a Repair.... In-Reply-To: <060120071158.23874.466009EA0003577B00005D4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <060120071158.23874.466009EA0003577B00005D4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46601C83.4030201@rcn.com> Andy, Since you state that your broken CR-7 is 'EXTREMELY clean', I wonder if you would be interested in the following... You see, I have an excellent CR-7 that has some slight blemishes on the transport buttons. Nothing serious, but still, visible to me. I wish you the best success in repairing your CR-7. However, if for any reason this is not possible, I wonder if you'd consider swapping the clean front panel for my blemished one. Or maybe even selling me the whole deck for parts. Let me know what you think. Regards, -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I want to thank everyone so far for your comments...even for the discouraging ones! LOL > > Seriously, I know I'm probably getting into a can of worms here, but I have some experience working with electronics. I am also experienced with doing work on PC boards. > > I have a fair amount of tools and testers, including a T-100. > > Fixing audio components has become something of a hobby of mine, so when this deck appeared on eBay with the seller saying in no uncertain terms that it did NOT work, I actually became keenly interested! LOL, I guess I'm weird! > > Since I acquired this CR-7a for a low price and since it looks EXTREMELY clean and probably has never been abused, I think I have a chance at fixing it. I consider it a challenge to be met (fist raised in the air). > > Thanks again to everyone.... > > P.S.: I have also just done a Buy It Now on eBay for a PERFECT ZX-9. $475 plus shipping! Can't wait to get THAT one home! > > *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 18:31:04 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <465F66C9.80301@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <131391.28317.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Manos metal is almost over - what ever is left over in some ones closet is coming out. Seriuos recording ethusiasts are not selling their cassettes. If you get older TDK metals TDK MA /MAX just grab them as well as Sony Metal SR tapes ( somehow they are not getting their due compared to many usless metals) kannan Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Kannan thanks for your input. There is a big bang on prices on the Internet with blank audio cassettes for quite some time now, and i see many merchants advertising their stock -which by the way part of it is IEC IV - as "good for Nakamichi!" and of course they get extremely high prices for them.... you get to see 80-90 USD for one metal tape and even more, i wonder what we will see in a couple of years when the metal is over!!! Manos kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I have checked Cassette Deck 1 which is same as DR1 . It sounds or > records same way as older Naks and hence should be Meeting IEC 1 > standard not later IEC II. > Kannan > > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > > > > > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > > > >> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic > NAKs and > >> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B > >> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and > from my > >> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 > >> complies with ? Thanks, Manos > > > > > > Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions > are > > just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, > with > > maybe slight modifications. > > > > rgds LP. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > Thanks Luis > > Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or > should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded > with > the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all > cables that > i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and > RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can > still > use my headphones.... > Cheers, Manos > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pinpoint customers > who > are looking for what you sell. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jun 1 22:06:01 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:06:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7a Repair Message-ID: <060120072006.28827.46607C290007F1420000709B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I just opened up the broken CR-7a and found some POSSIBLE GOOD NEWS! The first place I looked was the power supply board. Sure enough, staring back at me were two blown 2.5amp 250v fuses. I'll replace those over the weekend. Hopefully, that's all this little guy will need! I haven't taken a look at the main PCB yet, so I don't know if this has the record EQ mod or not. It's a pretty early serial number from 1986 (the first year of production for the CR-7), so I won't be surprised if I need to do the mod as well. Fingers crossed..... *andy* From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 00:34:37 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:34:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7a Repair In-Reply-To: <060120072006.28827.46607C290007F1420000709B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Fingers, toes and everything else crossed for you, Andy. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 01 June 2007 21:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7a Repair I just opened up the broken CR-7a and found some POSSIBLE GOOD NEWS! The first place I looked was the power supply board. Sure enough, staring back at me were two blown 2.5amp 250v fuses. I'll replace those over the weekend. Hopefully, that's all this little guy will need! I haven't taken a look at the main PCB yet, so I don't know if this has the record EQ mod or not. It's a pretty early serial number from 1986 (the first year of production for the CR-7), so I won't be surprised if I need to do the mod as well. Fingers crossed..... *andy* From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jun 2 02:12:37 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:12:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7a Repair In-Reply-To: <060120072006.28827.46607C290007F1420000709B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <060120072006.28827.46607C290007F1420000709B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4660B5F5.2070306@peromarta.org> Do not replace them with higher rating fuses. If both are blown, there may be a fault on the power supply. LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I just opened up the broken CR-7a and found some POSSIBLE GOOD NEWS! > > The first place I looked was the power supply board. > > Sure enough, staring back at me were two blown 2.5amp 250v fuses. > > I'll replace those over the weekend. Hopefully, that's all this little guy will need! > > I haven't taken a look at the main PCB yet, so I don't know if this has the record EQ mod or not. It's a pretty early serial number from 1986 (the first year of production for the CR-7), so I won't be surprised if I need to do the mod as well. > > Fingers crossed..... > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 2 04:11:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7a Repair In-Reply-To: <4660B5F5.2070306@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <936398.87916.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is the deck being turned on after a long time? Its either that, or a fault with the filter caps. Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: Do not replace them with higher rating fuses. If both are blown, there may be a fault on the power supply. LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I just opened up the broken CR-7a and found some POSSIBLE GOOD NEWS! > > The first place I looked was the power supply board. > > Sure enough, staring back at me were two blown 2.5amp 250v fuses. > > I'll replace those over the weekend. Hopefully, that's all this little guy will need! > > I haven't taken a look at the main PCB yet, so I don't know if this has the record EQ mod or not. It's a pretty early serial number from 1986 (the first year of production for the CR-7), so I won't be surprised if I need to do the mod as well. > > Fingers crossed..... > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Sat Jun 2 05:15:46 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: <200706011000.l51A0NbL026907@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <386334.69885.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy, Sounds to me this deck when thru a power surge and the fist thing you need to check are all power supply voltages. You may need schematic/service manual. Next up check condition of microprocessor. Once you know this are working go to audio, mechanical circuits Gabe > > > OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item > description said, it is not working. > > Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem? > > 1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up > and is > frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit > at all. > > 2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and > NONE of > them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape. > > 3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the > tension. > Absolutely nothing happens. > > 4) The counter digits are not lit. > > 5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't > think this > is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change > the > display. > > 6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES > NOT > change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at > all. > > 7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto > Fade, > Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of > them > turns the appropriate indicator on and off. > > I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to > get > some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know > what > direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode > motor > contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ > modification > has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED! > > Thanks to all of you, > > *andy* > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Jun 2 19:46:57 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:46:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wanted: BX 125 service manual In-Reply-To: <841320.63203.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Jun 2 19:52:50 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:52:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A repair Message-ID: <8C97355F89FBDE3-548-5EB0@FWM-M01.sysops.aol.com> Andy, I know exactly what you mean about fixing these broken decks. I lusted after NAKS for many years when I was in the Hi-Fi business in the mid to late 80's in Southern California but could never afford them, especially the higher end ones. Now with the miracle (and plague?!) of eBay, I can afford these classic beauties (except for the 1000ZXL's, still commanding a fortune!). Most people have no mechanical or electrical skills to repair these and many decks were tossed out and sold simply due to lack of maintenance and worn out rubber. I have bought many a cassette deck through eBay and find that the vast majority of them simply need some basic cleaning and new belts, etc. on the mechanical side. I replace where necessary, get the service manuals and go through the electrical calibration, clean them up and put them right back on eBay. The nicer ones I keep for myself but the rest are up for grabs. Of course there are some decks that need more work and I have my share of long term projects and probable parts units in the corner of my garage. Maybe I can fix them, maybe not but I enjoy doing it for now. I'm building up my collection of test equipment and am able to do more and more sophisticated testing and repairs as I go along. The major roadblock I have been unable to cross is the alignment jigs. I have never seen a single one being sold anywhere and every closed service shop I come across says that those were gone a long time ago. I truly believe that the alignment jigs and test tapes are the holy grail of Nakamichi, even more so than the fabled 1000ZXL limited! By the way, how's the jig duplication project going guys? Any light at the end of the tunnel? Well, sorry for the long dialog. Cheers everyone! Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 23:21:25 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:21:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 Message-ID: Hi All - I just took in a TX-1000 for service - possibly a mistake. Though I've been working on Naks for 30 years, I've never seen one of these and, although I thought I had a full set of manuals, I don't seem to have one on the TX-1000. It is, however, the biggest turntable I've ever seen and puts the CT-1000 to shame for complexity. Anyone have any insight on this piece? It has no drive motor sync, so it takes off for the stratosphere every time to turn it on. The sensors and trigger LED seem to be working. Thanks Willy From danzone7 at aol.com Sun Jun 3 01:27:06 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:27:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <057301c7a56d$89a21e70$0307a8c0@DR1> Hi Willy, There is a guy on Vinyl Asylum who worked on a Nakamichi TX-1000 just 6 months ago, and from his thread seemed very knowledgeable. Here's his original posting: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:RskYyD-RLQ4J:www.audioasylum.com/audio/v inyl/messages/600254.html+nakamichi+TX-1000&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us His Vinyl Asylum ID is "rgordonpf (R)" Perhaps he can assist - good luck with your quest, that is one very awesome machine! Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 Hi All - I just took in a TX-1000 for service - possibly a mistake. Though I've been working on Naks for 30 years, I've never seen one of these and, although I thought I had a full set of manuals, I don't seem to have one on the TX-1000. It is, however, the biggest turntable I've ever seen and puts the CT-1000 to shame for complexity. Anyone have any insight on this piece? It has no drive motor sync, so it takes off for the stratosphere every time to turn it on. The sensors and trigger LED seem to be working. Thanks Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 3 12:56:36 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:56:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002a01c7a5cd$dc839c80$7300a8c0@Shaun> I have a BX-300 with a recent service and gear upgrade carried out at B & W. It is a US model run through a voltage converter for use in the UK. It sounds great. I have seen a Cassette Deck 1 for auction and this deck matches up aesthetically very well with my Nakamichi Receiver 1. Is the Cassette Deck 1 worth bidding for as a replacement for my BX-300 (regardless of the cost). Shaun From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jun 3 15:36:26 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:36:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Repair Message-ID: <060320071336.11514.4662C3DA0005CF0D00002CFA22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dan: Thanks for your e-mail! I really enjoy reading stories about other people's experiences with Nakamichi equipment. I remember window shopping for audio equipment back in the 1980's and seeing the Dragon sitting on a display shelf and thinking how intimidating that thing looked! My first truly hi-fi cassette deck was a Harman Kardon, not a Nakamichi. I never even got down to seriously asking about buying a Nakamichi deck because I thought that they were all out of my reach, costing way too much money...how dumb I was not to know that there were several Nak decks that were affordable! Instead of getting a nice BX or LX series deck, I paid just over $400 for a Harman Kardon CD391. I still have it, and I must say that it is a really good deck, but all the time I owned it I wished that it were a Nakamichi instead. About 8 years ago, I finally decided to do something about my Nakamichi desire. I bid and won a very clean BX-300 on eBay that was being sold by a high-end stereo sales and service facility. It sounded great and has served me well all these years, until it started behaving strangely (my attempts to diagnose and repair this deck were the subject of some of my recent posts). I haven't been actively taping or listening to tapes until recently. I own a nice project recording studio, and a client needed a tape of some songs she wrote transferred onto CD. I got the BX-300 out and was reminded of how great it sounded and how solidly it was built. After a long hiatus, I started visiting Naks.com again and doing some web surfing to research and read about the different models of Nak decks. I also started looking around again on eBay for a Nakamichi deck that would exceed my BX-300. Sonic Sense used to be one of the top Nak repair centers in the country. Although they have stopped working on Naks, they have a very helpful and informative FAQ about Naks that is still on their website. Following some recommendations I read in their FAQ, I recently bought a clean but non-working 682ZX on eBay. I was able to instantly diagnose the problem it had, due to all of the reading I had done about how the classic Nak transports work. I repaired the 682ZX and it now sits proudly in my audio rack. It looks and sounds FANTASTIC. It will truly be one of my all-time favorite Naks. After I got the 682ZX running, I really had a BAD case of Nak Fever! I bought another BX-300 (fully functional), a MINT ZX-7, the CR-7a repair project, and I am now waiting for a MINT ZX-9 to arrive any day now. The ZX-9 was only $475 plus shipping! I also grabbed a TA-4A (a GREAT sounding Nak receiver) and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. My wife is going to KILL me! *andy* From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Jun 3 15:53:13 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:53:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems References: <425201.507.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02af01c7a5e6$88779d30$26d317c4@home> No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it plays beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling occurs and the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Walter, So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment procedures? Bala drewes wrote: Bala, mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi guys, I presume the sliders on the front panel are all clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? Regards Bala drewes wrote: I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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One of the Nak decks that has a manual playback azimuth control. As to how it stacks up against the BX-300, I don't know, but if you do get it, then you'll have two Naks to choose from. As I've (painfully) learned over the years with musical instruments: Never trade or sell one good thing to get another good thing. Keep them both and just add to the collection. I think I paid $200 for my CD1 on Ebay about 5 years ago. Shaun Montgomery wrote: > I have a BX-300 with a recent service and gear upgrade carried out at B & W. > It is a US model run through a voltage converter for use in the UK. It > sounds great. > > I have seen a Cassette Deck 1 for auction and this deck matches up > aesthetically very well with my Nakamichi Receiver 1. > > Is the Cassette Deck 1 worth bidding for as a replacement for my BX-300 > (regardless of the cost). > > Shaun > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jun 3 21:43:23 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:43:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <02af01c7a5e6$88779d30$26d317c4@home> References: <425201.507.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02af01c7a5e6$88779d30$26d317c4@home> Message-ID: <466319DB.2090102@peromarta.org> If you replaced PB op-amps and caps, you certainly need to adjust at the very least the DC offset. rgds, LP. drewes wrote: > No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it plays > beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling occurs and > the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > Walter, > > So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound > stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed > all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment > procedures? > > Bala > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jun 4 00:11:34 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:11:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Repair In-Reply-To: <060320071336.11514.4662C3DA0005CF0D00002CFA22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy If you think your wife will kill you, perhaps you'd like to bequeath that ZX9 to a good home, mine?! <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 03 June 2007 14:36 To: danbarham at aol.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7a Repair Hi, Dan: After I got the 682ZX running, I really had a BAD case of Nak Fever! I bought another BX-300 (fully functional), a MINT ZX-7, the CR-7a repair project, and I am now waiting for a MINT ZX-9 to arrive any day now. The ZX-9 was only $475 plus shipping! I also grabbed a TA-4A (a GREAT sounding Nak receiver) and a Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer. My wife is going to KILL me! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 4 00:08:54 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:08:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 In-Reply-To: <4662D447.C1E57E44@warwick.net> Message-ID: <006001c7a62b$cdc4a690$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for your input Bill. Not sure I can swing another cassette deck in the home, I have four already! A BX-300, BX-2, 550 and a Tascam 122. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 03 June 2007 15:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Shaun, I can just tell you that I have a Cassette Deck 1, and that it performs very well, and I like it very much. One of the Nak decks that has a manual playback azimuth control. As to how it stacks up against the BX-300, I don't know, but if you do get it, then you'll have two Naks to choose from. As I've (painfully) learned over the years with musical instruments: Never trade or sell one good thing to get another good thing. Keep them both and just add to the collection. I think I paid $200 for my CD1 on Ebay about 5 years ago. From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 00:21:49 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <466319DB.2090102@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <802237.45903.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DC offset. Are you serious. Do Nak have DC offset adjustments? If modern Op-Amps are used the DC offsets are very low. SJ Luis Peromarta wrote: If you replaced PB op-amps and caps, you certainly need to adjust at the very least the DC offset. rgds, LP. drewes wrote: > No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it plays > beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling occurs and > the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > Walter, > > So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound > stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed > all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment > procedures? > > Bala > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 4 01:19:02 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:19:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Repair - TEST RESULTS Message-ID: <060320072319.23617.46634C6600030CE800005C4122165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Just thought you all might like to hear the progress on the sick CR-7a. This is in two parts, 1) New Fuse Results and 2) Test Results. ===NEW FUSE RESULTS=== I had a couple of extra 2.5amp 250v fuses, and out of curiosity, I wired them onto the power supply board using jumper wires. When I turned the CR-7a on, the fuses DID NOT blow, but the fuse elements did darken. A couple of front panel buttons that had not been working before began to work and/or light up, but the tape transport was still no good at all. NO tape movement whatsoever. >>>The following buttons became functional with the new fuses: Tape Length Dolby NR >>>The following buttons lit up, but did NOT work: All tape transport buttons (FF, RW, Play, Stop, etc.) >>>The following buttons still do not do anything: Monitor Manual Tape/EQ Selector ===TEST RESULTS=== OK, using my digital multitester, I tested the resistance of all of the electrolytic capacitors on the power supply board. I was not able to get a reliable reading on the following capacitors and therefore I must assume that they are suspicious. C405 - 6800uF, 16v C410 - 1000 uF, 16v C411 - 2200uF, 16v C415 - 100uF, 25v C416 - same as C415 I only tested electrolytic, polarized capacitors. The funny thing is that some of the capacitors would give me a reading only if I put the red probe on the (+) lead and the black probe on the (-) lead, and other capacitors would give me a reading only if I reversed the probes (red to negative, black to positive). The "suspicious" capacitors could not give me a stable, reliable reading in either configuration. I am still finding and testing diodes. *andy* From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jun 4 08:28:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:28:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <802237.45903.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <802237.45903.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4663B110.5070303@peromarta.org> Hi Scott, Yes, I am. ;) Step #2, page 29 of 1000ZXL S.M., "Playback amp offset adjustment", DC voltmeter to pins 1 and 7 of IC301 on playback amp board. Adjust VR101 abd VR201 to obtain DC < 100mV Best rgds, LP. Scott Johnson wrote: > DC offset. Are you serious. Do Nak have DC offset adjustments? If > modern Op-Amps are used the DC offsets are very low. > > SJ > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > If you replaced PB op-amps and caps, you certainly need to adjust at > the > very least the DC offset. > > rgds, LP. > > drewes wrote: > > No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on > it plays > > beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling > occurs and > > the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) > > Walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > > *To:* drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi > > Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > > Walter, > > > > So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound > > stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed > > all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment > > procedures? > > > > Bala > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pinpoint customers > who > are looking for what you sell. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 08:57:01 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <02af01c7a5e6$88779d30$26d317c4@home> Message-ID: <221062.99029.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Walter, That is a mis-step. You have to get all the alignment done. For playback, as Luis suggested the DC offset at the op-amp's inverting input is crucial. The manual says it to be 100mV or less. I go for as close as possible to zero. Get the right-side metal panel off and stand the deck on its side (with the RAMM pcb end down). Locate the op-amp (it should be a RC4559) and proceed to adjust the points as LP outlined. Let us know how it turns out. Scott, the playback circuit on the ZXL machines are superb with a JFET first stage, followed by the op-amp. Really well engineered. Bala drewes wrote: No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it plays beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling occurs and the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Walter, So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment procedures? Bala drewes wrote: Bala, mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi guys, I presume the sliders on the front panel are all clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? Regards Bala drewes wrote: I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 03 June 2007 15:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Shaun, I can just tell you that I have a Cassette Deck 1, and that it performs very well, and I like it very much. One of the Nak decks that has a manual playback azimuth control. As to how it stacks up against the BX-300, I don't know, but if you do get it, then you'll have two Naks to choose from. As I've (painfully) learned over the years with musical instruments: Never trade or sell one good thing to get another good thing. Keep them both and just add to the collection. I think I paid $200 for my CD1 on Ebay about 5 years ago. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 4 09:54:04 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:54:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Message-ID: Hi Shaun, I can agree with Bill (about adding rather than swapping) - I too have a Cassette Deck One. It's a wonderful machine - I think it is a gear drive if I remember correctly - whereas the BX300 is direct drive. However, do not expect to hear a difference in speed integrity - you won't. It had a new capstan motor fitted in 2001 - these give out with this series - but the techie in Jo'Burg replaced it without moaning about supplies, bless him. Since then, it is a "perfect" machine which has, as with Dragon, DR1 and CR7 (as far as I remember) the uncommon ability to adjust playback azimuth. It cost 700 UK Pounds when it was sold in the early nineties. It's the one Nak that I have that is in absolute showroom condition. Cheers - Marc >>> spmontgomery at ntlworld.com 6/4/2007 12:08:54 AM >>> Thanks for your input Bill. Not sure I can swing another cassette deck in the home, I have four already! A BX-300, BX-2, 550 and a Tascam 122. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 03 June 2007 15:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Shaun, I can just tell you that I have a Cassette Deck 1, and that it performs very well, and I like it very much. One of the Nak decks that has a manual playback azimuth control. As to how it stacks up against the BX-300, I don't know, but if you do get it, then you'll have two Naks to choose from. As I've (painfully) learned over the years with musical instruments: Never trade or sell one good thing to get another good thing. Keep them both and just add to the collection. I think I paid $200 for my CD1 on Ebay about 5 years ago. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 4 04:42:28 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 In-Reply-To: <006001c7a62b$cdc4a690$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <971227.91575.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shaun, I also have a CD1 and a 1.5. They are great machines. The manual playback azimuth on the CD1 is very handy once in a while. If you get one you won't be sorry. Bob Shaun Montgomery wrote: Thanks for your input Bill. Not sure I can swing another cassette deck in the home, I have four already! A BX-300, BX-2, 550 and a Tascam 122. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 03 June 2007 15:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Shaun, I can just tell you that I have a Cassette Deck 1, and that it performs very well, and I like it very much. One of the Nak decks that has a manual playback azimuth control. As to how it stacks up against the BX-300, I don't know, but if you do get it, then you'll have two Naks to choose from. As I've (painfully) learned over the years with musical instruments: Never trade or sell one good thing to get another good thing. Keep them both and just add to the collection. I think I paid $200 for my CD1 on Ebay about 5 years ago. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Jun 4 12:18:58 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:18:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: I have a Cassette Deck 1 with replacement capstan motor and it is a very good for its generation of sound. I would be happier though to swap it with a ZX7/9 though! Any takers? David From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Jun 4 13:42:41 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:42:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <221062.99029.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <02af01c7a5e6$88779d30$26d317c4@home> <221062.99029.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A070FBF26@mail.mmsav.com> Hello All, I'm assuming that you guys don't have a "tape path" problem? Are the Take-up and hold-back torque at the specified range? Are the pressure rollers dried out? Doug ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:57 AM To: drewes; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi Walter, That is a mis-step. You have to get all the alignment done. For playback, as Luis suggested the DC offset at the op-amp's inverting input is crucial. The manual says it to be 100mV or less. I go for as close as possible to zero. Get the right-side metal panel off and stand the deck on its side (with the RAMM pcb end down). Locate the op-amp (it should be a RC4559) and proceed to adjust the points as LP outlined. Let us know how it turns out. Scott, the playback circuit on the ZXL machines are superb with a JFET first stage, followed by the op-amp. Really well engineered. Bala drewes wrote: No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it plays beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling occurs and the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Walter, So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment procedures? Bala drewes > wrote: Bala, mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi guys, I presume the sliders on the front panel are all clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? Regards Bala drewes > wrote: I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 4 14:32:40 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:32:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 In-Reply-To: <00a201c7a65d$7527cb20$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <002101c7a6a4$74300560$7300a8c0@Shaun> Dan, At present I don't have any Nak recorded tape; that is my next task, to dig out my old LP's and re-record them onto TDK-SA tapes on my BX-300. My present tapes were all recorded on either my Aiwa AD1300 (2 head) or Aiwa AD3500 (3 head). I can say that for the most part they sound somewhat duller on the Tascam than they do on the Nak. The Tascam has very little tape hiss but at the expense of the top end. However, having said that, Kermit, who used to appear on these messages frequently, once told me that the Tascam came out of the factory set up that way. He recommended to me a way to set it up (as related to him by an experienced TV recording engineer aware of the problem) that would make it open and clear as it should be. It does also have a double speed facility (record & playback) that Kermit assures me makes this deck sound wonderful. The downside, of course, is half the time available for recording. Unfortunately my local service shop will only set it up as per the manual instructions and I do not know how or have the test equipment to set it up otherwise. It remains in my spare room unused at present, which is a shame as it is built superbly and I am sure would give many years good service. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: 04 June 2007 05:05 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Hi Shaun - how does your Tascam stack up to the Naks? Is interplay OK (playing a Nak recorded tape on the TDK)? Dan From avraham at gbis.com Mon Jun 4 16:59:43 2007 From: avraham at gbis.com (Steven Weidman) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:59:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Noise Reduction Message-ID: <466428DF.2080609@gbis.com> What are the differences between dbx Type I, Type II & Type III noise reduction systems? I have been using Type II for many years with my Nak and various cassette decks with usually great results. I also had a open reel tape deck years ago that had Type I noise reduction as a added feature. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 21:09:30 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:09:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: <466428DF.2080609@gbis.com> References: <466428DF.2080609@gbis.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110706041209t38bbf603l1f8f8d32f631e081@mail.gmail.com> 1st-gen DBX was great with r2rs except for some artifacts that you'd notice after a while. Later generation companders were much better at eliminating these. I just picked up a 3bx rackmount for like $120 - rare find :-) -Tim On 6/4/07, Steven Weidman wrote: > > What are the differences between dbx Type I, Type II & Type III noise > reduction systems? > I have been using Type II for many years with my Nak and various > cassette decks with usually great results. I also had a open reel tape > deck years ago that had Type I noise reduction as a added feature. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 4 21:50:36 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:50:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Noise Reduction Message-ID: <0E14A35B-76EA-4564-8575-CF5DF2D51A8C@alumni.caltech.edu> However, I'm pretty sure Type I does NOT correspond to 1st gen; type II to 2nd gen, etc. I thought (although this is primarily based on the marketing literature) that Type II was probably 2nd gen "consumer" dbx and Type I was "professional"--I always guess slightly different compander curves/detection methods for the artifacts. However, I never knew what the actual differences were.-kby > 1st-gen DBX was great with r2rs except for some artifacts that > you'd notice > after a while. Later generation companders were much better at > eliminating > these. I just picked up a 3bx rackmount for like $120 - rare find :-) > > -Tim > > > On 6/4/07, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > > What are the differences between dbx Type I, Type II & Type III > noise > > reduction systems? > > I have been using Type II for many years with my Nak and various > > cassette decks with usually great results. I also had a open > reel tape > > deck years ago that had Type I noise reduction as a added feature. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 22:38:56 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Noise Reduction In-Reply-To: <0E14A35B-76EA-4564-8575-CF5DF2D51A8C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0E14A35B-76EA-4564-8575-CF5DF2D51A8C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <6bddc1110706041338i41482a91nd506124f08882fea@mail.gmail.com> I don't know that "1st gen" etc is really the best way to put it because that implies chronology, but rather more sophisticated compression/expansion technology and maybe some extra stuff like impact restoration and whatnot. They also made a lot of dynamic range enhancers, subharmonic synthesizers and the like. As far as what was intended for consumer versus professional -- I never was very good at obeying those boundaries :-) There is a killer site at http://www.vintagedbx.com/ that has a lot of info with links to manuals and other goodies. -Tim On 6/4/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > However, I'm pretty sure Type I does NOT correspond to 1st gen; type II > to 2nd gen, etc. > > I thought (although this is primarily based on the marketing literature) > that Type II was probably 2nd > gen "consumer" dbx and Type I was "professional"--I always guess slightly > different compander curves/detection methods for > the artifacts. However, I never knew what the actual differences were.-kby > > > > 1st-gen DBX was great with r2rs except for some artifacts that you'd > notice > after a while. Later generation companders were much better at > eliminating > these. I just picked up a 3bx rackmount for like $120 - rare find :-) > > > -Tim > > > > > On 6/4/07, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > > What are the differences between dbx Type I, Type II & Type III noise > > reduction systems? > > I have been using Type II for many years with my Nak and various > > cassette decks with usually great results. I also had a open reel tape > > deck years ago that had Type I noise reduction as a added feature. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 05:51:30 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a Repair - TEST RESULTS In-Reply-To: <200706041002.l54A14vo020675@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <598581.63544.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy, It is normal to have a +/- voltage on some of these caps. When reverse leads cause op amps and other circuits uses +/- voltages. For instance + 15v and - 15v. If you do not have the schematic to tell you what's what then see if each cap have aprox. voltages to there mark voltages and how much voltage they leak. If they are close to there mark voltage, +- 5 volts and they leak less then 1 volt you are ok for now. You can check leakage by turning deck on and set your meter to AC volts. You should get as close to zero if the cap is good more then one volt is suspect. Also caps needs to be checked for short when deck is "OFF". Diodes should be check only for shorted or open when Power is "OFF" too. I would get a whole of the service manual/schematic to save time. Gabe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 08:20:53 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <200706041002.l54A14vo020675@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <343645.70441.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Walter, I got rid of my crackling when I replace the op amp L4559 [$0.30] and all 2SA945s [$0.05] in the playback Dolby board. Now I will try the dc offset Luis is recommending for the lower level in play mode in one channel. I completely overlooked that procedure in the manual. I hope it works cause I'm going nuts about this problem. - loosing sleep, loosing hair, my wife is leaving me, oh no! .......... Gabe > No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it > plays beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling > occurs and the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > Walter, > > So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound > stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed > all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment > procedures? > > Bala > > drewes wrote: > Bala, > mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of > beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time > goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! > walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > > Hi guys, > > I presume the sliders on the front panel are all > clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? > > Regards > Bala > > drewes wrote: > I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does > it as well > after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to > have been one > for which our learned friends have no answer! > If you can work it out pse let me kmow! > walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SunfirePC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and > 945s on > > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, > crackling/frying > > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes > then slowly the > > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in > only one > > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I > wont have to > > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jun 5 08:43:33 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:43:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1/TASCAM setup Message-ID: Hi Dan and Shaun, I have a well serviced and perfectly functioning TASCAM 112 Series 1; Although it has many virtues I think the factory spec is to overbias the machines for recording on all three positions. I don't know why. It's a pretty fine measurement probably (on the internal trimpots) and does indeed sound fine for instance on pre-recorded tapes for the most part and when recording on high/rising sensitivity tapes. The transport is rugged and very steady. Cheers - Marc >>> spmontgomery at ntlworld.com 6/4/2007 2:32:40 PM >>> Dan, At present I don't have any Nak recorded tape; that is my next task, to dig out my old LP's and re-record them onto TDK-SA tapes on my BX-300. My present tapes were all recorded on either my Aiwa AD1300 (2 head) or Aiwa AD3500 (3 head). I can say that for the most part they sound somewhat duller on the Tascam than they do on the Nak. The Tascam has very little tape hiss but at the expense of the top end. However, having said that, Kermit, who used to appear on these messages frequently, once told me that the Tascam came out of the factory set up that way. He recommended to me a way to set it up (as related to him by an experienced TV recording engineer aware of the problem) that would make it open and clear as it should be. It does also have a double speed facility (record & playback) that Kermit assures me makes this deck sound wonderful. The downside, of course, is half the time available for recording. Unfortunately my local service shop will only set it up as per the manual instructions and I do not know how or have the test equipment to set it up otherwise. It remains in my spare room unused at present, which is a shame as it is built superbly and I am sure would give many years good service. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: 04 June 2007 05:05 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Hi Shaun - how does your Tascam stack up to the Naks? Is interplay OK (playing a Nak recorded tape on the TDK)? Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 08:59:44 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:59:44 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <221062.99029.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 10:14:33 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <343645.70441.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880516.6919.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gabe, I am surprised you even ran the board without doing the DC offset. That adjustment is so critically important. Having changed so many components, I suggest you go through all the electronics related adjustments before attempting further operations on the machine. Bala SunfirePC wrote: Walter, I got rid of my crackling when I replace the op amp L4559 [$0.30] and all 2SA945s [$0.05] in the playback Dolby board. Now I will try the dc offset Luis is recommending for the lower level in play mode in one channel. I completely overlooked that procedure in the manual. I hope it works cause I'm going nuts about this problem. - loosing sleep, loosing hair, my wife is leaving me, oh no! .......... Gabe > No, I have ddone no alignment procedures.When first switched on it > plays beautifully and then the longer you use it the more crackling > occurs and the tone gets lower and lower (muffled) > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > Walter, > > So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound > stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed > all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment > procedures? > > Bala > > drewes wrote: > Bala, > mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of > beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time > goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! > walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > > Hi guys, > > I presume the sliders on the front panel are all > clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? > > Regards > Bala > > drewes wrote: > I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does > it as well > after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to > have been one > for which our learned friends have no answer! > If you can work it out pse let me kmow! > walter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SunfirePC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > > > > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and > 945s on > > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, > crackling/frying > > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes > then slowly the > > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in > only one > > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I > wont have to > > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 5 22:30:15 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:30:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a Repair - TEST RESULTS In-Reply-To: <598581.63544.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <598581.63544.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4665C7D7.9010809@rcn.com> Just to clarify... Electrolytic capacitors should NEVER, but N E V E R, see reverse voltage. When a circuit condition causes this to happen, it's a fault. Also, voltage across caps may be lower -- even much lower -- then their voltage rating and that would be OK. Finally; caps leak current, not voltage. (I am not sure what leakage of 1V means. Probably, the same as the watermelon that weighs 12" :-) ) . To check electrolytic capacitors, one should apply the positive probe to the + terminal and the negative probe to the - terminal of the cap. (In most, if not all, meters, the red probe is positive.) The meter should show low resistance, increasing over time to a high resistance. Ideally, it will increase all the way to infinity. -- Ron SunfirePC wrote: > Andy, > > > It is normal to have a +/- voltage on some of these caps. When reverse > leads cause op amps and other circuits uses +/- voltages. For instance > + 15v and - 15v. If you do not have the schematic to tell you what's > what then see if each cap have aprox. voltages to there mark voltages > and how much voltage they leak. If they are close to there mark > voltage, +- 5 volts and they leak less then 1 volt you are ok for now. > You can check leakage by turning deck on and set your meter to AC > volts. You should get as close to zero if the cap is good more then one > volt is suspect. Also caps needs to be checked for short when deck is > "OFF". Diodes should be check only for shorted or open when Power is > "OFF" too. > > > I would get a whole of the service manual/schematic to save time. > > > > Gabe > > From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 05:39:12 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <200706051001.l55A0uJu009917@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <332460.74767.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Luis, Bala, thanks guys! After adjusting dc offset on the playback/Dolby board the decks is not playing wonderfully! I listen for hours with no decrease in level or slight distortion on any channel. Now I would like to do step 3 of that procedure "bias trap" and manual says I need an extention/card none of us have and thought that if I solder 11 pieces of about one foot of single strand cable to the bottom of the main board and the other end to the connections on the playback board I will be able to adjust pots. Once done get rid of my home made extention/card and plug board to factory connections. You guys have any better ideas ???? Gabe P.S. Walter, mine seems to be coming along so if you do the same I do not see why it should not function properly - It took care of my play back problem on both my 700 and 1000 zxls. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 16:54:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <332460.74767.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <134920.70819.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gabe, I made a jig using a thin piece of wood with one end of male and another end of female connectors. Used standard copper wire to wire the pins across. I recommend using some foam in between the jig and adjacent boards to stabilize the whole thing and use a finger on top of the card stack to keep it steady while adjusting. Bala SunfirePC wrote: Luis, Bala, thanks guys! After adjusting dc offset on the playback/Dolby board the decks is not playing wonderfully! I listen for hours with no decrease in level or slight distortion on any channel. Now I would like to do step 3 of that procedure "bias trap" and manual says I need an extention/card none of us have and thought that if I solder 11 pieces of about one foot of single strand cable to the bottom of the main board and the other end to the connections on the playback board I will be able to adjust pots. Once done get rid of my home made extention/card and plug board to factory connections. You guys have any better ideas ???? Gabe P.S. Walter, mine seems to be coming along so if you do the same I do not see why it should not function properly - It took care of my play back problem on both my 700 and 1000 zxls. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Jun 6 22:39:11 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:39:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002501c7a87a$be686e60$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for that Jeff. I think that I will save my money and wait until something substantially better comes along. The main problem theses days is that there seems to be no way of comparing Nakamichi decks to see which model pleases you the most. This forum helps to narrow the field according to needs. I bought my BX-300 from across the water and went purely by brand name without knowing where, in the hierarchy, that deck stands. I have not been disappointed to date.. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: 06 June 2007 18:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck1 Hi Shaun, I own a BX-300 and a Cassette Deck 1. The Cassette Deck 1's adjustable azimuth is a good feature, but the BX-300 is a better deck. The direct-drive transport of the BX-300 makes it one of the best Naks, IMO. I can actually hear the difference in tape-speed stability, and have several times compared the same tape played on my BX-300 with the Cassette deck 1. I have them hooked up together on a Nak pre-amp. The BX-300 has lower W&F, and it's audible. I also think that this results in a slightly clearer resolution of high frequency sound. The BX-300 sounds better. I wouldn't get rid of it. Jeff W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Jun 7 13:38:34 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:38:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test tone problem Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A070FC55E@mail.mmsav.com> Hello all, Anyone ever encounter a Dragon with test tone problems? I have one that will not go into the semi-automated alignment process when you press Level from a Record/Pause mode. If you select Source Mode and then press Level or Bias, the two tones will output and also show on the meters. It just will not produce the tones and go into Record (NAAC, level, and bias) mode when the Tape/Source switch is in the Tape mode. The deck records and plays just fine and all of the bias and level controls can be used to set up the deck when you use an external generator. I'm afraid that it might be on of the microprocessors. :o( Thanks, Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 15:58:44 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test tone problem In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A070FC55E@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <268460.81690.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you get the signals on the meter from the tape when Play is pressed ? If that is so - you should get the signals on the meters when you record the tone( internal from Dragon) with level pressed. I hope you have the Dragon manual and following the manual on calibration process? I f the switch is on the tape mode - tone generator outputs tone but meter is supposed to show the singals from tape play. So press record mode- press Level button , it should automatically start play along with record mode showing you the recorded tone signals. If the tape paly is not starting then press paly button from rec- puase mode. It will show you the signal on the tape. Kannan Doug Guth wrote: Hello all, Anyone ever encounter a Dragon with test tone problems? I have one that will not go into the semi-automated alignment process when you press Level from a Record/Pause mode. If you select Source Mode and then press Level or Bias, the two tones will output and also show on the meters. It just will not produce the tones and go into Record (NAAC, level, and bias) mode when the Tape/Source switch is in the Tape mode. The deck records and plays just fine and all of the bias and level controls can be used to set up the deck when you use an external generator. I'm afraid that it might be on of the microprocessors. :o( Thanks, Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 18:43:10 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:43:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test tone problem Message-ID: Hello Doug, Seems me that you don't use as intended your Dragon, as I also own one...i will try hard to explicate you with my poor English...trusting that you will able to comprehend very well what I mind! First of all...at Source mode you are able to see the meters go at Level to "0" (Cal) (Mine goes ONE led below), at Bias goes exactly at "0". Now...load a new cassette, select the same setting "EX normal > SX Type 2 > ZX metal cassette. Again push Pause>record buttons together, on the cassette lid/cover will show RED arrow instead the Green one that you see when you Play a recorded cassette...push Source/Tape second small button on the right side of the deck to Source...press level...you MUST hear the 400hz tone IF...IF...your switch in your preamp is set to "Monitor" & NOT to source...now move VERY slowly the left knob on the cassette settings that you selected EX/SX or ZX of course after loading your selected cassette to be record you MUST push one of those buttons...when you move per example the left rounded knob you MUST noticed that the cassette is running you see the "Red" arrow at the right side of the cassette lid...continue moving once the left knob after the right one...till you get the same level that was show you at "SOURCE"...when you get :Right at Point"...the same level...when you press Bias...you will NOT hear any tone...BUT...BUT...the red arrow will begin the "NAAC" calibration...wait till the red arrow is "Still"...NOT flicking...commence moving first the left knob below "Bias" setting again EX or SX or ZX selected cassette till you will obtain similarly settings as you obtained at your previous "Level" calibration...What I really do...take some patience or time is going back to Level & forward to Bias till I get after (Depends of which brand cassette I use at that time)...10 or more minutes...first to avoid the beginning tape close to the leader of my selected cassette...that maybe is NOT so uniform...till Plus/Minus level & Bias show the same level. After that you are satisfied with the results you press "RESET" button...the "Calibration" finish & the cassette is rewind back to the start (leader). After so you play what you intend to be recorded on your selected cassette...adjust well the Master gain big knob (On my Dragon both left & right smaller recording gain knobs are ALWAYS set at far right or maximum gain)...for so I use ONLY the bigger one "Master" till I see with my Dragon set up to "recording Mode" cassette don't move...of course!, that the loud music (Can take a few minutes...be patiently!), ups till +4...when finally I get well the master gain knob set to +4 red leds. I commence my recording ALWAYS...hearing the Tape & NEVER the source that I decided to record...for so on your Dragon the first button MUST be at "TAPE"...on your preamp to "MONITOR". Now my dear Doug...I hope that you will grasp this mail? Please inform me your results. Good Luck, Peace, ALEX! From: dougg at mmsav.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:38:34 -0400Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test tone problem Hello all, Anyone ever encounter a Dragon with test tone problems? I have one that will not go into the semi-automated alignment process when you press Level from a Record/Pause mode. If you select Source Mode and then press Level or Bias, the two tones will output and also show on the meters. It just will not produce the tones and go into Record (NAAC, level, and bias) mode when the Tape/Source switch is in the Tape mode. The deck records and plays just fine and all of the bias and level controls can be used to set up the deck when you use an external generator. I'm afraid that it might be on of the microprocessors. :o( Thanks, Doug _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! 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The unit is in mint condition, not a scratch or a spec of dust on it. It plays well and sounds great. Jacob _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 8 00:22:45 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:22:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A serial number question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jacob, The A- number is on a label inside the deck, affixed to the rear. Remove the top cover. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jacob Maniyatte Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A serial number question I am considering purchasing a used CR-7A with remote from a local source. On the back, the serial number of the unit is 1872. There is NO A130- before the serial number. Also on the back, there is a round label with the number 91 on the center and the word Nakamichi and number 456 around it. My questions are; 1) Does the 91 mean the unit was made in year 1991. 2) Does this unit have the EQ and Gear drive updates. My understanding was that units with A130-8700 have the EQ update and ones after A130-10300 have the gear update. This unit because there is no A130, I do not know what mods it has. The unit is in mint condition, not a scratch or a spec of dust on it. It plays well and sounds great. Jacob _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp= 33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863& encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 8 08:16:31 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:16:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A serial number question Message-ID: I believe any CR-7 made after 1990 had both the correct EQ and the gear idler upgrade. The 1991 4-5-6 sticker indicates that deck was made in the second quarter of 1991. I've seen a bunch of really weird serial numbers on CR-7's on eBay, including one that was a paper sticker. Assuming the date sticker is genuine, the one in question should be OK based on that. The other thing you can do is take the plate off and actually look inside to see if it has the gear upgrade. Only takes a few minutes to do it - check the instructions for the rubber idler tire repair on the ESL website. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kiawjin at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 12:07:04 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 03:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a Repair - TEST RESULTS Message-ID: <95313.18007.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Gabe, Please check the site:http://www.naks.mine.nu and there is a full Service Manual of CR7A recently uploaded by me. Hopefully that it might be a help for your servicing of your CR7A. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Jun 8 12:50:40 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:50:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? Message-ID: Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. ............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? David From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 8 15:01:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:01:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46695311.3000601@rcn.com> David Thompson wrote: > Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. > > ............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette > Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless > praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. > ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! > > See: > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W > 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie > wItem > > I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about > it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? > > David Well, I have a CR-7 and, since I chose it after evaluating and listening to several other decks, I agree that it is *one of* the best decks around. Specifically, I felt that it was the most accurate of the decks I listened to. I also have a CR-5 and *sonically* it is the equal of the CR-7, though it does miss a couple of the frills and conveniences offered by the CR-7. Of course, YMMV. -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 16:26:25 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:26:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a tired, futile and endless debate. Which is the best in terms of what? Sound quality in replay? Sound quality in record? W&F and other technical performance criteria? Cosmetics? Features? Etc. And then, many of these issues are entirely subjective - what one person may think is the best sounding in replay may not be the same as somebody else, and neither of them has probably heard all the Nak decks ever produced anyway. That said, the a advert is clearly hyperbole in as much as it claims something that cannot be proven, i.e. that the CR-5 and CR-7 are ... the best decks Nakamichi ever made!!" Personally, I'd have written in such an advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made" which would be more truthful and, probably, more lawful in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: 08 June 2007 11:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. ............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 16:57:50 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <758718.50323.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You summed it up in exacting terms - tired, futile and endless. The best way I see Nak is that they made decks for different music tastes, with different features meant for different pockets. Most importantly, we should be asking how the various Naks sound and hence what kind of people those machines suit. Or if a particular feature is needed or what the person is looking for. Bala Graham Nelson wrote: This is a tired, futile and endless debate. Which is the best in terms of what? Sound quality in replay? Sound quality in record? W&F and other technical performance criteria? Cosmetics? Features? Etc. And then, many of these issues are entirely subjective - what one person may think is the best sounding in replay may not be the same as somebody else, and neither of them has probably heard all the Nak decks ever produced anyway. That said, the a advert is clearly hyperbole in as much as it claims something that cannot be proven, i.e. that the CR-5 and CR-7 are ... the best decks Nakamichi ever made!!" Personally, I'd have written in such an advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made" which would be more truthful and, probably, more lawful in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: 08 June 2007 11:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. ............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 8 17:02:22 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:02:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c7a9de$05b684f0$7300a8c0@Shaun> >..Personally, I'd have written in such an advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made".., Or even "In my opinion the CR-5 is the best sounding deck that Nakamichi ever made" Shaun From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 8 17:05:03 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:05:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? Message-ID: Absolutely right Gra' It's all subjective and far too complex a matter, particularly for those of us who are intimitely familiar with the varying merits and idiosyncracies of the Nak family. For the majority of the population - they like simple answers - life is lived by undemanding and clear cut epithets, for instance, "Kenwoods are very good, aren't they", "Oh, Pioneer is the best", or "Bose are the best speakers in the world" (help!!). Armed with this sort of brand expertise, the now technically minded then graduate into the nuclear physics zone, viz. "Yes, all Technics sound very wooly don't they", or "TEAC usually break down in the first year". This is the hallowed preserve of the office expert. Ah what the heck. They're just flogging something they don't want for some dough. It's to be expected. Hyperbole finds a happy home in marketing. Have a great weekend!! MH >>> grahamanelson at googlemail.com 6/8/2007 4:26:25 PM >>> This is a tired, futile and endless debate. Which is the best in terms of what? Sound quality in replay? Sound quality in record? W&F and other technical performance criteria? Cosmetics? Features? Etc. And then, many of these issues are entirely subjective - what one person may think is the best sounding in replay may not be the same as somebody else, and neither of them has probably heard all the Nak decks ever produced anyway. That said, the a advert is clearly hyperbole in as much as it claims something that cannot be proven, i.e. that the CR-5 and CR-7 are ... the best decks Nakamichi ever made!!" Personally, I'd have written in such an advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made" which would be more truthful and, probably, more lawful in the UK. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: 08 June 2007 11:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. ............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? 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In-Reply-To: <758718.50323.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c7a9e5$23f4f710$7300a8c0@Shaun> Let's not forget here that what was originally asked in this thread was, "what is your favourite Nak?" and therefore at the outset was purely a personal opinion. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 08 June 2007 15:58 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? You summed it up in exacting terms - tired, futile and endless. The best way I see Nak is that they made decks for different music tastes, with different features meant for different pockets. Most importantly, we should be asking how the various Naks sound and hence what kind of people those machines suit. Or if a particular feature is needed or what the person is looking for. Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:01:56 2007 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:01:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built ? _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 22:21:18 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:21:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10706081321qd3f0e3ev7e72ba7569c10a23@mail.gmail.com> There is no azimuth adjustment of any heads (within the deck) during auto calibration of the CR-7. On 6/8/07, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > ? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. > http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ti at amb.org Fri Jun 8 22:35:26 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070608203526.69CA63D14F@smtp.amb.org> Jacob Maniyatte writes: > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > ? The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). -Ti From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 8 22:32:21 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:32:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:16:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmaniyat at hotmail.com writes: To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built Actually, the CR-7 only has playback azimuth adjustment. After the ZX-9 Nakamichi abandoned recording head adjustment for playback head adjustment. I believe any deck with "ZX" in the model designation has recording calibration, plus a few that don't have that designation, like the 680, which has manual not auto calibration. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 8 22:33:36 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:33:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: The 1000 ZXL Computing Cassette Deck is the king of auto calibration. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 8 22:49:43 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:49:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, Message-ID: Heads up to anyone with a 500,550,600. The head guide alignment tool is on US eBay. For anyone with tape track problems caused by a bent guide this tool makes adjustment easy. Newer decks and the 700,1000 do not use this tool. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 8 22:55:58 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:55:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, Message-ID: <497AE1DE-D391-4163-A553-32043F0D0416@alumni.caltech.edu> > Heads up to anyone with a 500,550,600. The head guide alignment > tool is on > US eBay. For anyone with tape track problems caused by a bent guide > this > tool makes adjustment easy. Newer decks and the 700,1000 do not use > this > tool. > > tom Ah, I was wondering what that was used for as I'd not seen or heard of it.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 8 23:00:28 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:00:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: Hey Wouter, How hard would it be to make the database searchable by feature? This kind of question could then be more easily answered, especially by those of us that aren't intimately familar with every deck (or even every home deck) Nak made? I can generalize this one to a point, such as "the 3-head decks prior to 1978 all have manual record azimuth", "the dragon (& it's automobile counterparts) are the only decks with auto-playback azimuth", and the "zxl decks have auto record azimuth" but it starts to get murky after that for me.-kby From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 8 23:49:34 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:49:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4669CEEE.2070501@xs4all.nl> Hey Kimo, You can do this right now on the vintagecassette site, try searching for something like: nakamichi auto azimuth calibration this site is basically the improved naks.com, i'm working on a newer version with better search that naks.com will also use. Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hey Wouter, > > How hard would it be to make the database searchable by feature? This > kind of question > could then be more easily answered, especially by those of us that > aren't intimately familar > with every deck (or even every home deck) Nak made? > > I can generalize this one to a point, such as "the 3-head decks prior > to 1978 all have > manual record azimuth", "the dragon (& it's automobile counterparts) > are the only decks > with auto-playback azimuth", and the "zxl decks have auto record > azimuth" but it > starts to get murky after that for me.-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 00:35:06 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <20070608203526.69CA63D14F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <750184.75545.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not true -Ti The CR7A has automatic azimuth of play head during record calibration process but not during playing a tape. During playback, same motor is used for adjusting play head but you have to either use front panel knob or remote control to do that. If the play had cannot get Phase accurate - it cannot calibrate correctly. Yeah I was wondering why Nakamichi thought of auto azimuth adjust like Dragon - do not know why? Kanann Ti Kan wrote: Jacob Maniyatte writes: > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > ? The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 00:36:19 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <439948.40104.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> wrong - read my reply to Ti Khan's post. Kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:16:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmaniyat at hotmail.com writes: To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built Actually, the CR-7 only has playback azimuth adjustment. After the ZX-9 Nakamichi abandoned recording head adjustment for playback head adjustment. I believe any deck with "ZX" in the model designation has recording calibration, plus a few that don't have that designation, like the 680, which has manual not auto calibration. JW --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 00:40:56 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <718471.48144.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 682 , 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL ( I think even 700ZXE) all use auto calibration with record head azimuth adjustment. Actually ZX9 / ZX7 needs azimuth adjustment prior to even manual calibration. Without correct phase accuracy calibration has no meaning. Nakamichi has thought about record / play head alignment well ahead of many of its counterparts. Again lot of people here had answered that CR 7 does not azimuth adjust for calibration and that is incorrect! Kannan Jacob Maniyatte wrote: To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built ? _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Jun 9 00:46:11 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:46:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, In-Reply-To: <497AE1DE-D391-4163-A553-32043F0D0416@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jun 9 01:19:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:19:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2007 3:43:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Again lot of people here had answered that CR 7 does not azimuth adjust for calibration and that is incorrect! Kannan, if your read the original email, you will see that the writer stated that "the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of heads, besides other electrical parameters). " Actually, the CR-7 only has playback azimuth adjustment, not recording head adjustment. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 01:07:16 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:07:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <750184.75545.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070608203526.69CA63D14F@smtp.amb.org> <750184.75545.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10706081607v630964a8u328d88c002ae8c48@mail.gmail.com> Kannan, Can you pls try to explain the purpose of play head azimuth adjustment during record calibration - apart from automatically returning the play head to the "zero" position in case it was off after playing a cassette which required it to be that way. George On 6/8/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Not true -Ti > The CR7A has automatic azimuth of play head during record calibration > process but not during playing a tape. During playback, same motor is used > for adjusting play head but you have to either use front panel knob or > remote control to do that. If the play had cannot get Phase accurate - it > cannot calibrate correctly. > > Yeah I was wondering why Nakamichi thought of auto azimuth adjust like > Dragon - do not know why? > Kanann > > > Ti Kan wrote: > Jacob Maniyatte writes: > > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they > built > > ? > > The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. > There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the > playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, > intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 02:58:23 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706081607v630964a8u328d88c002ae8c48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <815978.50771.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For correct record replay - both heads are to be aligned with respect to each other as well as cassette standard. The older machines, Naks had used fixed play head and adjustable record head( for azimuth alone) using a motor/ slide to vary the record head azimuth. Before adjusting bias and level , these machines like 682, ZX 9 etc record head azmuth is adjusted to get correct phase on left and right channels using single 400 Hz fed to both channels. The same principle is used in 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL. However Nakamichi after Dragon realized that keeping record head fixed, allowing paly head azimuth before adjusting bias or calibration is no different ( like in Dragon which automatically adjsuts play head even during bias calibration helps in setting accurate bias 15 KHz signal) . The othe benefit is useful for playing tapes from other sources. Note that 581/582 do not have this facility. CR 7A also has the similar play head adjustment ( you can see the azimuth , bias , level words flashing in sequence during these operation during autocalibration). During the record calibration , Naks use 400 Hz signal fed to both left and right channels for comparing the phase at the output . This is fine during record calibration. However the signals are different in palying - ie left and right channels cannot be compared as they are not same. So CR 7 uses manual play head azimuth adjustment by the listener hearing the HF part of music as what works during record calibration cannot work during normal paly. Dragon is the only machine with single channel head split up as two channels for the auto play azimuth circuit to work. Hence no other Naks have auto play azimuth excepting Dragon. hope I have not messed up the explanation. Yeah I need Ron here to help me out! Kannan george valkov wrote: Kannan, Can you pls try to explain the purpose of play head azimuth adjustment during record calibration - apart from automatically returning the play head to the "zero" position in case it was off after playing a cassette which required it to be that way. George On 6/8/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Not true -Ti > The CR7A has automatic azimuth of play head during record calibration > process but not during playing a tape. During playback, same motor is used > for adjusting play head but you have to either use front panel knob or > remote control to do that. If the play had cannot get Phase accurate - it > cannot calibrate correctly. > > Yeah I was wondering why Nakamichi thought of auto azimuth adjust like > Dragon - do not know why? > Kanann > > > Ti Kan wrote: > Jacob Maniyatte writes: > > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they > built > > ? > > The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. > There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the > playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, > intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jun 9 03:24:20 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:24:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: Hi Kannan What you seem to be saying is that the playback head automatically returns to -0- during calibration, defining -0- as an equal signal on right and left channels, and moving to the point of adjustment where right and left channel are the same. During play mode, it is manually adjustable. Right? JW n a message dated 6/8/2007 6:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: For correct record replay - both heads are to be aligned with respect to each other as well as cassette standard. The older machines, Naks had used fixed play head and adjustable record head( for azimuth alone) using a motor/ slide to vary the record head azimuth. Before adjusting bias and level , these machines like 682, ZX 9 etc record head azmuth is adjusted to get correct phase on left and right channels using single 400 Hz fed to both channels. The same principle is used in 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL. However Nakamichi after Dragon realized that keeping record head fixed, allowing paly head azimuth before adjusting bias or calibration is no different ( like in Dragon which automatically adjsuts play head even during bias calibration helps in setting accurate bias 15 KHz signal) . The othe benefit is useful for playing tapes from other sources. Note that 581/582 do not have this facility. CR 7A also has the similar play head adjustment ( you can see the azimuth , bias , level words flashing in sequence during these operation during autocalibration). During the record calibration , Naks use 400 Hz signal fed to both left and right channels for comparing the phase at the output . This is fine during record calibration. However the signals are different in palying - ie left and right channels cannot be compared as they are not same. So CR 7 uses manual play head azimuth adjustment by the listener hearing the HF part of music as what works during record calibration cannot work during normal paly. Dragon is the only machine with single channel head split up as two channels for the auto play azimuth circuit to work. Hence no other Naks have auto play azimuth excepting Dragon. hope I have not messed up the explanation. Yeah I need Ron here to help me out! Kannan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 01:55:56 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <750184.75545.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419384.44074.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kanann, you are absolutely correct. page 3 of the CR-5/CR-7 brochure (which is available on my web site) says, "The CR-7A goes a giant step further with automatic adjustment of bias, recording level and playback azimuth for perfect recordings..." http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_3.jpg On page 4 it outlines the steps that are actually performed during auto calibration and I quote, "Azimuth adjustment is first tested by the time proven 'phase comparision' method outlined in Figure 4. If an interchannel phase error is detected, playback head azimuth is adjusted in 1.3' until the error is corrected and that correction is confirmed 10 times. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_4.jpg SJ kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Not true -Ti The CR7A has automatic azimuth of play head during record calibration process but not during playing a tape. During playback, same motor is used for adjusting play head but you have to either use front panel knob or remote control to do that. If the play had cannot get Phase accurate - it cannot calibrate correctly. Yeah I was wondering why Nakamichi thought of auto azimuth adjust like Dragon - do not know why? Kanann Ti Kan wrote: Jacob Maniyatte writes: > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > ? The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramram2000 at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 03:18:23 2007 From: ramram2000 at gmail.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:18:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: <575dc06f0706081818u7e0dcc67i2926e5e013cb2388@mail.gmail.com> George, The playback head has to be in phase( with the record,- fixed head) as Kannan mentioned for proper other criteria( level and bias) to be accurate. In other words if the record head is accurately aligned, then the azimuth to the playback head will be in the center position( or the motor will bring it there if not) during the azimuth phase of the calibration. If the record head is off the correct position( for whatever reason) then the playback head will be automatically adjusted off the center position by the calibration process to be in phase with the off positioned record head. This assures that other parameters are computed correctly and accurately. Then begin the 400Hz level and bias (15khz) adjustments to titrate accurate currents to the tape in use. The cr7 has, therefore, essentially a reference record head that is fixed and the playback head is used for the azimuth phase correction and therefore its important that this record head is perfectly aligned, for if it is not, then playing this recording back inanother deck will sound dead, unless that deck can be playback azimuth adjusted. I hope I have cleared this up well. Regards Ram *george valkov * wrote: Kannan, Can you pls try to explain the purpose of play head azimuth adjustment during record calibration - apart from automatically returning the play head to the "zero" position in case it was off after playing a cassette which required it to be that way. George On 6/8/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Not true -Ti > The CR7A has automatic azimuth of play head during record calibration > process but not during playing a tape. During playback, same motor is used > for adjusting play head but you have to either use front panel knob or > remote control to do that. If the play had cannot get Phase accurate - it > cannot calibrate correctly. > > Yeah I was wondering why Nakamichi thought of auto azimuth adjust like > Dragon - do not know why? > Kanann > > > Ti Kan wrote: > Jacob Maniyatte writes: > > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they > built > > ? > > The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. > There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the > playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, > intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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URL: From ramram2000 at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 03:21:09 2007 From: ramram2000 at gmail.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:21:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: <575dc06f0706081821p4b4bc1dbp4d068d5541a3cec7@mail.gmail.com> George, You are unfortnately incorrect. The CR7 does do azimuth adjustment of the playback head to correct the phase with the fixed record head. This is the first step in the CR7 s autocalibration followed by the bias, level and bias again. Regards, Ram *george valkov * wrote: There is no azimuth adjustment of any heads (within the deck) during auto calibration of the CR-7. On 6/8/07, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: > To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramram2000 at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 03:22:10 2007 From: ramram2000 at gmail.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:22:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: <575dc06f0706081822g6b05a8c7v5c563b8812512b13@mail.gmail.com> Ben, It is the emperor supreme of cassette calibration. Only wish they has a double direct drive capstan drive! Only if wishes were horses! I guess nothing in life is perfect. Ram *Benstratford at aol.com* wrote: The 1000 ZXL Computing Cassette Deck is the king of auto calibration. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Sat Jun 9 06:06:32 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <419384.44074.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070609040632.85FF323DAA@smtp.amb.org> Scott Johnson writes: > Kanann, you are absolutely correct. > > page 3 of the CR-5/CR-7 brochure (which is available on my web site) says, "The CR-7A goes a giant step further with automatic adjustment of bias, recording level and playback azimuth for perfect recordings..." > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_3.jpg > > On page 4 it outlines the steps that are actually performed during auto calibration and I quote, "Azimuth adjustment is first tested by the time proven 'phase comparision' method outlined in Figure 4. If an interchannel phase error is detected, playback head azimuth is adjusted in 1.3' until the error is corrected and that correction is confirmed 10 times. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_4.jpg Hmm, one learns something new everyday! :) -Ti From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 08:33:20 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 23:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <20070609040632.85FF323DAA@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <659398.93332.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The CR7 and 1000ZXL, if a comparison is being indirectly done, were built for quite different purposes. The CR7 is a deck with built in Dolby C, auto-calibration and a range of features which make it a great player and recorder. The auto-calibration uses two frequencies which are adequate for a basic calibration. The 1000ZXL is a semi-professional cassette recorder. With electronics impossible to overload, parametric erasure, separate bias and erase oscillators and a true auto-calibration system. During auto-cal, it actually does a frequency response check at 400Hz, 7.2kHz and 20KHz. The 20KHz was included in the original Philips cassette standard. The system also then proceeds to check a 6dB/Octave eq placement, followed by Linear Eq Placement. This process actually goes beyond what some studio engineers would normally do in setting up their mastering machines before a recording. The deck, in my experience does such a good job recording onto tape that its only equaled by a reel deck running at 15ips. The 1000ZXL though doesn't play tapes made on decks which are really out of wack. That capability belongs to the Dragon and ,with some sweat equity, a CR7. But even then, with a wide-frequency response range, incredible sound-stage and depth the 1000ZXL sounds too good for words. Try listening to one through a pair of electrostatic loudspeakers! Bala Ti Kan wrote: Scott Johnson writes: > Kanann, you are absolutely correct. > > page 3 of the CR-5/CR-7 brochure (which is available on my web site) says, "The CR-7A goes a giant step further with automatic adjustment of bias, recording level and playback azimuth for perfect recordings..." > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_3.jpg > > On page 4 it outlines the steps that are actually performed during auto calibration and I quote, "Azimuth adjustment is first tested by the time proven 'phase comparision' method outlined in Figure 4. If an interchannel phase error is detected, playback head azimuth is adjusted in 1.3' until the error is corrected and that correction is confirmed 10 times. > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/cr7_4.jpg Hmm, one learns something new everyday! :) -Ti ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jun 9 09:04:46 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:04:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <20070608203526.69CA63D14F@smtp.amb.org> References: <20070608203526.69CA63D14F@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <466A510E.6000100@peromarta.org> Actually, there is a playback head azimuth adjustment as part of the autocal, on the CR7. It's the first step, as the deck aligns the PH with the RH. This PH position can be manually overridden after autocalibration ends. Best rgds, LP. Ti Kan wrote: > Jacob Maniyatte writes: >> To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck >> for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of >> heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built >> ? > > The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. > There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the > playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, > intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). > > -Ti > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jun 9 09:09:30 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:09:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706081321qd3f0e3ev7e72ba7569c10a23@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10706081321qd3f0e3ev7e72ba7569c10a23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <466A522A.2080203@peromarta.org> Not quite right ;) CR7 aligns the PH with the RH until phase difference on the recorded 400Hz is minimized between channels, not only bringing the head to it's central position. Imagine what would happen if the deck tried to autocal with the PH deliberately positioned all the way down (or up) with the manual control. It would not be able to compensate with BIAS the 15KHz tone! rgds, LP george valkov wrote: > There is no azimuth adjustment of any heads (within the deck) during > auto calibration of the CR-7. > From ti at amb.org Sat Jun 9 09:19:39 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <466A510E.6000100@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <20070609071939.45AC82192C@smtp.amb.org> Luis Peromarta writes: > Actually, there is a playback head azimuth adjustment as part of the > autocal, on the CR7. It's the first step, as the deck aligns the PH with > the RH. > > This PH position can be manually overridden after autocalibration ends. > > Best rgds, LP. > > Ti Kan wrote: > > Jacob Maniyatte writes: > >> To my knowledge the Nakamichi CR-7 is the only full auto calibrating deck > >> for recording I know of (by full I mean including azimuth adjustment of > >> heads, besides other electrical parameters). Are there any others they built > >> ? > > > > The CR-7 auto-calibrates recording bias and EQ, but not head azimuth. > > There is a manual head azimuth adjustment knob, but it affects the > > playback head only. The recording head azimuth is "fixed" (that is, > > intended to be adjusted by a service technician only). > > > > -Ti Yes, as has been mentioned by Kannan already... However, that brings up an interested problem. Since the auto-cal process may adjust the playback head azimuth away from the "zero" position to achieve optimum performance, it follows that after recording, one would want to set the manual playback azimuth adjustment to match the setting used in the auto-cal procedure. Without having the Dragon's NAAC, there is no way to do that except by ear... -Ti From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Jun 9 06:16:33 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:16:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <575dc06f0706081822g6b05a8c7v5c563b8812512b13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c7aa4c$f734d660$3201000a@gabrenas> Has anyone tried to install a Dragon dual direct drive capstan into a CR-7? The benefits would be great. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto calibration Ben, It is the emperor supreme of cassette calibration. Only wish they has a double direct drive capstan drive! Only if wishes were horses! I guess nothing in life is perfect. Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: The 1000 ZXL Computing Cassette Deck is the king of auto calibration. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nak From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 06:54:21 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <460910.77685.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, not equal signal on L&R. The PB head is adjusted for minimum Phase difference between L&R. The signal Amplitude gets equalized during the Level calibration that comes after the PB head Azimuth adjustment has already been done. During record the front panel PB head azimuth adjustment does nothing. It's under CR-7 control. During playback the thing is under user control. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Kannan What you seem to be saying is that the playback head automatically returns to -0- during calibration, defining -0- as an equal signal on right and left channels, and moving to the point of adjustment where right and left channel are the same. During play mode, it is manually adjustable. Right? JW n a message dated 6/8/2007 6:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: For correct record replay - both heads are to be aligned with respect to each other as well as cassette standard. The older machines, Naks had used fixed play head and adjustable record head( for azimuth alone) using a motor/ slide to vary the record head azimuth. Before adjusting bias and level , these machines like 682, ZX 9 etc record head azmuth is adjusted to get correct phase on left and right channels using single 400 Hz fed to both channels. The same principle is used in 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL. However Nakamichi after Dragon realized that keeping record head fixed, allowing paly head azimuth before adjusting bias or calibration is no different ( like in Dragon which automatically adjsuts play head even during bias calibration helps in setting accurate bias 15 KHz signal) . The othe benefit is useful for playing tapes from other sources. Note that 581/582 do not have this facility. CR 7A also has the similar play head adjustment ( you can see the azimuth , bias , level words flashing in sequence during these operation during autocalibration). During the record calibration , Naks use 400 Hz signal fed to both left and right channels for comparing the phase at the output . This is fine during record calibration. However the signals are different in palying - ie left and right channels cannot be compared as they are not same. So CR 7 uses manual play head azimuth adjustment by the listener hearing the HF part of music as what works during record calibration cannot work during normal paly. Dragon is the only machine with single channel head split up as two channels for the auto play azimuth circuit to work. Hence no other Naks have auto play azimuth excepting Dragon. hope I have not messed up the explanation. Yeah I need Ron here to help me out! Kannan --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Jun 8 16:36:28 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:36:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RACK HANDLES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4669696C.7000005@marrscommunications.com> Hello everyone, I am in the hunt for a set of rack handles for the 680-682 series machines. Does anyone have a pair they would like to sell? Thanks, Fred M Graham Nelson wrote: >This is a tired, futile and endless debate. Which is the best in terms of >what? Sound quality in replay? Sound quality in record? W&F and other >technical performance criteria? Cosmetics? Features? Etc. And then, many >of these issues are entirely subjective - what one person may think is the >best sounding in replay may not be the same as somebody else, and neither of >them has probably heard all the Nak decks ever produced anyway. > >That said, the a advert is clearly hyperbole in as much as it claims >something that cannot be proven, i.e. that the CR-5 and CR-7 are ... the >best decks Nakamichi ever made!!" Personally, I'd have written in such an >advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made" which would >be more truthful and, probably, more lawful in the UK. > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of David Thompson >Sent: 08 June 2007 11:51 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? > > >Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. > >............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette >Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless >praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. >........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! > >See: >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W >0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >wItem > >I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about >it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jun 9 08:46:52 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 02:46:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: Hi RAMM, Direct drive would apparently reduce the W / F figures but would you be able to hear the small difference? With double direct drive and presumably auto reverse, NAAC would need to be installed to align in the reverse direction, I suppose this could be made to compliment the Auto ABLE system for initial recording but it then gets confusing as to whether the stored ABLE settings would be used or NAAC would take over. It would have been very interesting to see this deck follow through in development until the end of tape deck manufacturing to see if these ideas were considered, but I expect Nak, like me, like it just the way it is. Isn't the deck complicated enough? This is why many of us have more than 1 deck as many decks have similar features but few are the same if any. Mind you, my 8 decks is a bit excessive! You have more like 12 so you definitely can't make your mind up either! Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jun 9 11:59:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:59:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <20070609071939.45AC82192C@smtp.amb.org> References: <20070609071939.45AC82192C@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <466A7A04.8090905@peromarta.org> Hi Ti. I will try to illustrate how it works: The CR7 PH azimuth zero (or reference) position, is the one that maximizes output of a 15KHz azimuth calibration tape. Now, the reference azimuth position of the RECORDING HEAD is the one that aligns the PH and RH for a certain type of cassette, as per the SM, a Nakamichi ZX reference tape (*), when the PB azimuth control is set to zero (reference). When you then use other type of cassette, due to different construction and tape skew, PH and RH azimuth are no longer aligned. Auto cal compensates for this, and adjusts PH azimuth (older machines adjusted the RH azimuth). This way tapes recorded in a CR7 may or may not sound 100% accurate on other decks - even on the CR7 if you leave the pot at zero position, as you state. That's one of the reasons why I prefer recording with a ZX9 (or 7), where you can perfectly align a recording head to the PH, compensating for any tape or cassette difference. My CR7 is calibrated (*) using the tape I use most, TDK SA, so any SA I record will sound perfectly on any properly calibrated deck. My calibration tapes are made so that everything above is taken into account, and produce a correct azimuth tape. Best rgds, LP. Ti Kan escribió: > > Yes, as has been mentioned by Kannan already... However, that brings > up an interested problem. Since the auto-cal process may adjust the > playback head azimuth away from the "zero" position to achieve optimum > performance, it follows that after recording, one would want to set > the manual playback azimuth adjustment to match the setting used in > the auto-cal procedure. Without having the Dragon's NAAC, there > is no way to do that except by ear... > > -Ti > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 12:51:21 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 03:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <170921.54804.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its not about liking one deck, sticking to it and condemning every other thing made. I have 22 Naks. I love all my decks for their sonic character, the way they operate. While it is possible to combine different aspects of the decks to create on ultimate deck, that would be the machine for a cassette purist. I am a collector, and hence accept the shortcomings each machine has. Bala Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Hi RAMM, Direct drive would apparently reduce the W / F figures but would you be able to hear the small difference? With double direct drive and presumably auto reverse, NAAC would need to be installed to align in the reverse direction, I suppose this could be made to compliment the Auto ABLE system for initial recording but it then gets confusing as to whether the stored ABLE settings would be used or NAAC would take over. It would have been very interesting to see this deck follow through in development until the end of tape deck manufacturing to see if these ideas were considered, but I expect Nak, like me, like it just the way it is. Isn't the deck complicated enough? This is why many of us have more than 1 deck as many decks have similar features but few are the same if any. Mind you, my 8 decks is a bit excessive! You have more like 12 so you definitely can't make your mind up either! Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 12:57:44 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 03:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: RACK HANDLES In-Reply-To: <4669696C.7000005@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <774898.65140.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, Your requests came in the most perfect time. I am now in the process of having new rack ears made to the exact specs as per the original. They should be out by the beginning of next week for evaluation. I expect them to be put on sale soon after. Stay tuned. Bala Marrs Communications wrote: Hello everyone, I am in the hunt for a set of rack handles for the 680-682 series machines. Does anyone have a pair they would like to sell? Thanks, Fred M Graham Nelson wrote: >This is a tired, futile and endless debate. Which is the best in terms of >what? Sound quality in replay? Sound quality in record? W&F and other >technical performance criteria? Cosmetics? Features? Etc. And then, many >of these issues are entirely subjective - what one person may think is the >best sounding in replay may not be the same as somebody else, and neither of >them has probably heard all the Nak decks ever produced anyway. > >That said, the a advert is clearly hyperbole in as much as it claims >something that cannot be proven, i.e. that the CR-5 and CR-7 are ... the >best decks Nakamichi ever made!!" Personally, I'd have written in such an >advert "THE CR-5 is one of the best decks Nakamichi ever made" which would >be more truthful and, probably, more lawful in the UK. > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of David Thompson >Sent: 08 June 2007 11:51 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 hyperbole? > > >Here is some hype from someone in Sydney about a CR-5. > >............... For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette >Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless >praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. >........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! > >See: >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W >0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie >wItem > >I suspect a few here would dispute that. Any comments on what is good about >it and why it is not the best Nak deck ever made? > >David > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 14:22:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <460910.77685.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <955695.2900.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The signal phase difference between L/R channel is compared with same shape signal is being fed ( 400 Hz) which is different from amplitude measurement. It is also not the zero position setting in CR7. Computer moves the head to correct phase, then rest of the calibration. When you start play mode- CR 7 computer checks the setting of the knob which is actually what you had set earlier to this record calibration start. It moves back the head to that position. Normal circumstances these are very near positions and you do not notice. Kannan Scott Johnson wrote: No, not equal signal on L&R. The PB head is adjusted for minimum Phase difference between L&R. The signal Amplitude gets equalized during the Level calibration that comes after the PB head Azimuth adjustment has already been done. During record the front panel PB head azimuth adjustment does nothing. It's under CR-7 control. During playback the thing is under user control. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Kannan What you seem to be saying is that the playback head automatically returns to -0- during calibration, defining -0- as an equal signal on right and left channels, and moving to the point of adjustment where right and left channel are the same. During play mode, it is manually adjustable. Right? JW n a message dated 6/8/2007 6:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: For correct record replay - both heads are to be aligned with respect to each other as well as cassette standard. The older machines, Naks had used fixed play head and adjustable record head( for azimuth alone) using a motor/ slide to vary the record head azimuth. Before adjusting bias and level , these machines like 682, ZX 9 etc record head azmuth is adjusted to get correct phase on left and right channels using single 400 Hz fed to both channels. The same principle is used in 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL. However Nakamichi after Dragon realized that keeping record head fixed, allowing paly head azimuth before adjusting bias or calibration is no different ( like in Dragon which automatically adjsuts play head even during bias calibration helps in setting accurate bias 15 KHz signal) . The othe benefit is useful for playing tapes from other sources. Note that 581/582 do not have this facility. CR 7A also has the similar play head adjustment ( you can see the azimuth , bias , level words flashing in sequence during these operation during autocalibration). During the record calibration , Naks use 400 Hz signal fed to both left and right channels for comparing the phase at the output . This is fine during record calibration. However the signals are different in palying - ie left and right channels cannot be compared as they are not same. So CR 7 uses manual play head azimuth adjustment by the listener hearing the HF part of music as what works during record calibration cannot work during normal paly. Dragon is the only machine with single channel head split up as two channels for the auto play azimuth circuit to work. Hence no other Naks have auto play azimuth excepting Dragon. hope I have not messed up the explanation. Yeah I need Ron here to help me out! Kannan --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 19:07:27 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:07:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <003c01c7aa4c$f734d660$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: It might, just might, be just as beneficial and easier (at least more straight forward?) to try rewiring the Dragon to make the signal paths' shorter? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: 09 June 2007 05:17 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] auto calibration Has anyone tried to install a Dragon dual direct drive capstan into a CR-7? The benefits would be great. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 19:07:23 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:07:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 09 June 2007 07:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Hi RAMM, Direct drive would apparently reduce the W / F figures but would you be able to hear the small difference? [Nelson] If you are VERY familiar with a classical piano piece, within which there are long sustained notes, being played on a bog standard cassette recorder, or even a modest Nak, you are very likely to hear the difference if the same tape were replayed on a Dragon (or ZX9) - you will notice such notes sound more pure. Ditto classical guitar. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 18:43:41 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:43:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <955695.2900.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <460910.77685.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <955695.2900.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10706090943h2da17fcbi3c1861fc32ad0493@mail.gmail.com> So effectively if you have a (God forbid) slightly misaligned record head and a slightly warped cassette you end up with a recording which is so off any sort of alignment that it can only sound well on a Dragon or a Nak with playback head adjustment - isn't that a not very smart solution from the creators of the best cassette decks ever made ? On 6/9/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > The signal phase difference between L/R channel is compared with same shape > signal is being fed ( 400 Hz) which is different from amplitude > measurement. It is also not the zero position setting in CR7. Computer moves > the head to correct phase, then rest of the calibration. When you start play > mode- CR 7 computer checks the setting of the knob which is actually what > you had set earlier to this record calibration start. It moves back the head > to that position. Normal circumstances these are very near positions and you > do not notice. > Kannan > > Scott Johnson wrote: > No, not equal signal on L&R. The PB head is adjusted for minimum Phase > difference between L&R. The signal Amplitude gets equalized during the > Level calibration that comes after the PB head Azimuth adjustment has > already been done. > > During record the front panel PB head azimuth adjustment does nothing. It's > under CR-7 control. During playback the thing is under user control. > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Kannan > What you seem to be saying is that the playback head automatically returns > to -0- during calibration, defining -0- as an equal signal on right and left > channels, and moving to the point of adjustment where right and left channel > are the same. During play mode, it is manually adjustable. Right? > JW > > > > > n a message dated 6/8/2007 6:02:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: > For correct record replay - both heads are to be aligned with respect to > each other as well as cassette standard. The older machines, Naks had used > fixed play head and adjustable record head( for azimuth alone) using a > motor/ slide to vary the record head azimuth. Before adjusting bias and > level , these machines like 682, ZX 9 etc record head azmuth is adjusted to > get correct phase on left and right channels using single 400 Hz fed to both > channels. The same principle is used in 1000ZXL and 700 ZXL. However > Nakamichi after Dragon realized that keeping record head fixed, allowing > paly head azimuth before adjusting bias or calibration is no different ( > like in Dragon which automatically adjsuts play head even during bias > calibration helps in setting accurate bias 15 KHz signal) . The othe benefit > is useful for playing tapes from other sources. Note that 581/582 do not > have this facility. > > > CR 7A also has the similar play head adjustment ( you can see the azimuth , > bias , level words flashing in sequence during these operation during > autocalibration). During the record calibration , Naks use 400 Hz signal fed > to both left and right channels for comparing the phase at the output . This > is fine during record calibration. However the signals are different in > palying - ie left and right channels cannot be compared as they are not > same. So CR 7 uses manual play head azimuth adjustment by the listener > hearing the HF part of music as what works during record calibration cannot > work during normal paly. > > Dragon is the only machine with single channel head split up as two channels > for the auto play azimuth circuit to work. Hence no other Naks have auto > play azimuth excepting Dragon. > hope I have not messed up the explanation. Yeah I need Ron here to help me > out! > Kannan > > > > > > > ________________________________ > See what's free at AOL.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ________________________________ > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! > TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jun 9 20:23:38 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:23:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: Gra' Thanks for the tip. Once the turntable project is complete, I'll do my utmost to explore this while recording to the Naks. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 9 22:01:33 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:01:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466B071D.5060101@rcn.com> Graham, I believe too much has been made of signal path length. I doubt very much anyone can hear the difference between, say, 2" of wire and 2' of the same wire. Just to give you a simple example, I had a CR-7 deck sitting about 15' away from a preamp. A CD was playing and the Tape Monitor switch on the preamp was flicked between source and tape. A panel of listeners couldn't tell which was which. Note that the comparison was between direct CD connection and connection through additional 30' of shielded cable (far higher parasitic capacitance than hook up wire inside a deck) plus some electronics in the CR-7. Compare this to maybe an additional 10" inside a deck... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > It might, just might, be just as beneficial and easier (at least more > straight forward?) to try rewiring the Dragon to make the signal paths' > shorter? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas > Sent: 09 June 2007 05:17 > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] auto calibration > > > Has anyone tried to install a Dragon dual direct drive capstan into a CR-7? > The benefits would be great. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > From dougg at mmsav.com Sat Jun 9 23:39:06 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:39:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E873@mail.mmsav.com> Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back into commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It's pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bezel. He had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him! Thanks all! Doug From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 01:40:36 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:40:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706090943h2da17fcbi3c1861fc32ad0493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd bet FLEX on the better Pioneers would make as good a job of replaying such a misaligned cassette and recording ... esp. if the recording was dull anyway ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 09 June 2007 17:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto calibration So effectively if you have a (God forbid) slightly misaligned record head and a slightly warped cassette you end up with a recording which is so off any sort of alignment that it can only sound well on a Dragon or a Nak with playback head adjustment - isn't that a not very smart solution from the creators of the best cassette decks ever made ? From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 01:45:38 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:45:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <466B071D.5060101@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron I expect you're dead right. I was merely thinking that rewiring the Dragon would be easier than trying to fit the Dragon's dual capstans inside a CR7 ! ;o) But I'm probably talk out of my ar#e ! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 09 June 2007 21:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto calibration Graham, I believe too much has been made of signal path length. I doubt very much anyone can hear the difference between, say, 2" of wire and 2' of the same wire. Just to give you a simple example, I had a CR-7 deck sitting about 15' away from a preamp. A CD was playing and the Tape Monitor switch on the preamp was flicked between source and tape. A panel of listeners couldn't tell which was which. Note that the comparison was between direct CD connection and connection through additional 30' of shielded cable (far higher parasitic capacitance than hook up wire inside a deck) plus some electronics in the CR-7. Compare this to maybe an additional 10" inside a deck... -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 01:48:50 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706090943h2da17fcbi3c1861fc32ad0493@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd bet FLEX on the better Pioneers would make as good a job of replaying such a misaligned cassette and recording ... esp. if the recording was dull anyway ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 09 June 2007 17:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto calibration So effectively if you have a (God forbid) slightly misaligned record head and a slightly warped cassette you end up with a recording which is so off any sort of alignment that it can only sound well on a Dragon or a Nak with playback head adjustment - isn't that a not very smart solution from the creators of the best cassette decks ever made ? From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 02:09:14 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E873@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <336500.67650.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug The Dragon Service manual pdf is available at ebaman.com . If you cannot locate - I can email one - the attachment will be over 10MB. Are you trying to sell this unit?. THis may be a small component fault at the mode changes - Kannan Doug Guth wrote: Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back in! to commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It'! s pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bez! el. He had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him! Thanks all! Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 06:08:16 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:08:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems Message-ID: Dear Doug, I wish you my most heart fully best luck...repairing your gifted Dragon till will work as intended again! Peace,ALEX! > From: dougg at mmsav.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:39:06 -0400> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems> > > > Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back in!> to commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It'!> s pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bez!> el. He > had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him!> Thanks all!> Doug> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile! http://mobile.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 06:10:55 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:10:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: Dear Ben, Our Lord will bless you always...! Looking for a turntable so far? Cheers,ALEX! From: Benstratford at aol.comDate: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:23:38 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] auto calibrationTo: naktalk at naks.com Gra' Thanks for the tip. Once the turntable project is complete, I'll do my utmost to explore this while recording to the Naks. Best Regards, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile! http://mobile.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Sun Jun 10 02:34:09 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:34:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems In-Reply-To: <336500.67650.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E873@mail.mmsav.com>, <336500.67650.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E874@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Kannan, Thanks for the reply. I was debating on whether or not to invest in the manual. I probably will get a manual just for future repairs. I did some troubleshooting and found that most of the logic signals from the calibration switches go to one of the small microprocessors. I'm wondering if one of those has failed and if so I guess I'm hosed! The Dragon is the only piece of my friend's equipment that I haven't sold yet. It is also the one in poorest condition cosmetically. I've thought of listing it on eBay with a complete description of it's problem. I saw that a completely dead Dragon went recently for about $300! I remember when I was in the business I was disappointed when I first popped the lid on a Dragon and saw how kludgy it was. But boy they really could sound nice! I have followed the debate about the CR7 with interest since that deck was also a disappointment to me. It had awesome electronics with a much cheaper transport than the 1000zxl, 680ZX, Dragon, etc. I really liked working on those dual capstan, asymetrical, transports! A thing of beauty!! The phase stability of those transports was so much better than the later decks. I am really sensative to jitter since I am used to hearing live, unamplified piano, guitar, etc. and those nice transports did a good job. Of all the Naks I've owned, 1000, 1000II, 700II, 550, 350(w/ADS speakers), 670, 680ZX, CR5A, Cassette Deck 2, etc. the only one that I've kept is the 680ZX. Nice low jitter and pitch control. A little kludgy inside but not bad. Thanks again! Doug ________________________________ From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Doug Guth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems Hi Doug The Dragon Service manual pdf is available at ebaman.com . If you cannot locate - I can email one - the attachment will be over 10MB. Are you trying to sell this unit?. THis may be a small component fault at the mode changes - Kannan Doug Guth wrote: Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back in! to commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It'! s pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bez! el. He had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him! Thanks all! Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 07:28:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E874@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <111364.15185.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Doug, You are spot on about the 680ZX which to me is a real workhorse. The neatest decks I've seen from Naks are the 700 series (except the ZXL). The 680ZX were also easy to repair and get going quickly Bala Doug Guth wrote: P { MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px } Hi Kannan, Thanks for the reply. I was debating on whether or not to invest in the manual. I probably will get a manual just for future repairs. I did some troubleshooting and found that most of the logic signals from the calibration switches go to one of the small microprocessors. I'm wondering if one of those has failed and if so I guess I'm hosed! The Dragon is the only piece of my friend's equipment that I haven't sold yet. It is also the one in poorest condition cosmetically. I've thought of listing it on eBay with a complete description of it's problem. I saw that a completely dead Dragon went recently for about $300! I remember when I was in the business I was disappointed when I first popped the lid on a Dragon and saw how kludgy it was. But boy they really could sound nice! I have followed the debate about the CR7 with interest since that deck was also a disappointment to me. It had awesome electronics with a much cheaper transport than the 1000zxl, 680ZX, Dragon, etc. I really liked working on those dual capstan, asymetrical, transports! A thing of beauty!! The phase stability of those transports was so much better than the later decks. I am really sensative to jitter since I am used to hearing live, unamplified piano, guitar, etc. and those nice transports did a good job. Of all the Naks I've owned, 1000, 1000II, 700II, 550, 350(w/ADS speakers), 670, 680ZX, CR5A, Cassette Deck 2, etc. the only one that I've kept is the 680ZX. Nice low jitter and pitch control. A little kludgy inside but not bad. Thanks again! Doug --------------------------------- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Doug Guth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems Hi Doug The Dragon Service manual pdf is available at ebaman.com . If you cannot locate - I can email one - the attachment will be over 10MB. Are you trying to sell this unit?. THis may be a small component fault at the mode changes - Kannan Doug Guth wrote: Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back in! to commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It'! s pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bez! el. He had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him! Thanks all! Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Jun 10 12:16:01 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:46:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Level mismatch in DR2 References: <200706091003.l59A1ZLx010387@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003e01c7ab48$5aeac9c0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi For some time now i have been noticing that the R channel level is slightly lower in my DR2 than the left although i am testing with a test tape i made with both channels at the same level. The Level meters show exact levels in both channels but the audible signal is different. Even the PC card plays back fine with both channels centered. Any ideas about this ? Thanks and Regards Soumi From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jun 10 18:51:04 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:51:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/2007 4:06:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.valkov at gmail.com writes: So effectively if you have a (God forbid) slightly misaligned record head and a slightly warped cassette you end up with a recording which is so off any sort of alignment that it can only sound well on a Dragon or a Nak with playback head adjustment - isn't that a not very smart solution from the creators of the best cassette decks ever made ? Yeah, that occurred to me too. How can you get the heads in alignment with a test tape? Maybe there's a way to do this, but I can't figure it out. It looks to me like the play head is just going to match any misalignment of the recording head. What gives? JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Jun 10 19:21:30 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:21:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Level mismatch in DR2 In-Reply-To: <003e01c7ab48$5aeac9c0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200706091003.l59A1ZLx010387@zxe.naks.com> <003e01c7ab48$5aeac9c0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <466C331A.9040101@peromarta.org> Hi Soumi, you need a reference to start with (like my cal tape set ;) ), and follow the SM for a complete calibration, otherwise you are lost in the woods. LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi > For some time now i have been noticing that the R channel level is > slightly lower in my DR2 than the left although i am testing with a test > tape i made with both channels at the same level. The Level meters show > exact levels in both channels but the audible signal is different. > Even the PC card plays back fine with both channels centered. > Any ideas about this ? > > Thanks and Regards > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 11 00:41:56 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Limited Edition 1000ZXL on eBay Message-ID: <061020072241.11025.466C7E34000DF05300002B1122155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> To everyone who missed the bidding on the last one (which went for more than six thousand dollars U.S.), here is another limited edition gold 1000ZXL. Good Luck! :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320124525999&rd=1&rd=1 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 11 20:57:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:57:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? Message-ID: <061120071857.6413.466D9B32000EDEB70000190D22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> What is wrong with people?!? Here is a very clean 682ZX with just over 3 hours left to go in the auction....and it's only up to $102.50!!! I *love* my 682ZX! It is one of my all-time favorite Naks! Someone should try to grab this deck. Easily one of the best Nak decks of all, in my opinion. (And no, I'm not selling this one! Don't know who is.) *andy* From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Jun 11 22:08:12 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? In-Reply-To: <061120071857.6413.466D9B32000EDEB70000190D22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200706112009.l5BK8RMf006456@zxe.naks.com> Ummm ever heard of people sniping on fleabay? That's whats going to happen here... > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:58 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? > > > What is wrong with people?!? > > Here is a very clean 682ZX with just over 3 hours left to go in the > auction....and it's only up to $102.50!!! > > I *love* my 682ZX! It is one of my all-time favorite Naks! > > Someone should try to grab this deck. Easily one of the best Nak decks of > all, in my opinion. > > (And no, I'm not selling this one! Don't know who is.) > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 11 22:40:15 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:40:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak Message-ID: <061120072040.5053.466DB32F0005286F000013BD22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I just got a new audio rack and I have been spending the afternoon putting most of my gear into it. I noticed that a couple of pieces were looking a little dirty. So I thought I would ask -- What are your recommendations for safely cleaning the outside of your Nakamichi? I want something that cleans well but leaves no residue (or as little residue as possible) and will NOT damage the lettering on the faceplate or damage any plastic parts. What do you all recommend? *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jun 11 22:22:30 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:22:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? Message-ID: <13999160.1181593350978.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> because there are probably ten people holding out until the last 10 seconds. Me included. ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > What is wrong with people?!? > > Here is a very clean 682ZX with just over 3 hours left to go in the auction....and it's only up to $102.50!!! > > I *love* my 682ZX! It is one of my all-time favorite Naks! > > Someone should try to grab this deck. Easily one of the best Nak decks of all, in my opinion. > > (And no, I'm not selling this one! Don't know who is.) > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Jun 11 23:12:32 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:12:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? In-Reply-To: <061120071857.6413.466D9B32000EDEB70000190D22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: OK - I'll bite. I don't own a 680 series deck yet. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? What is wrong with people?!? Here is a very clean 682ZX with just over 3 hours left to go in the auction....and it's only up to $102.50!!! I *love* my 682ZX! It is one of my all-time favorite Naks! Someone should try to grab this deck. Easily one of the best Nak decks of all, in my opinion. (And no, I'm not selling this one! Don't know who is.) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jun 11 23:29:42 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:29:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2007 2:24:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, willyherm at gmail.com writes: OK - I'll bite. I don't own a 680 series deck yet. Willy You missed your chance - there was a 680 for a buy-it-now of $129.99 last night which only need a little WD-40 from a reputable seller. Ram grabbed it, plus a 660 for spare parts. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Level mismatch in DR2 Hi For some time now i have been noticing that the R channel level is slightly lower in my DR2 than the left although i am testing with a test tape i made with both channels at the same level. The Level meters show exact levels in both channels but the audible signal is different. Even the PC card plays back fine with both channels centered. Any ideas about this ? Thanks and Regards Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 12 04:17:10 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:17:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak In-Reply-To: <061120072040.5053.466DB32F0005286F000013BD22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Personally, I rarely use more than a damp cloth and elbow grease. If the marks are greasy I might add a little lemon juice to the water in which I rinse the cloth. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 11 June 2007 21:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak I just got a new audio rack and I have been spending the afternoon putting most of my gear into it. I noticed that a couple of pieces were looking a little dirty. So I thought I would ask -- What are your recommendations for safely cleaning the outside of your Nakamichi? I want something that cleans well but leaves no residue (or as little residue as possible) and will NOT damage the lettering on the faceplate or damage any plastic parts. What do you all recommend? *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 12 00:12:55 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:12:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No. This tool is only for the models I listed. It has 2 tiny pins that fit in the head guide, and allow very gentle precise control of guide height. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, can it be used on other Naks lik a CR7 or CR3? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kimo B. Yap" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment tool on eBay, Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:55:58 -0700 Heads up to anyone with a 500,550,600. The head guide alignment tool is on US eBay. For anyone with tape track problems caused by a bent guide this tool makes adjustment easy. Newer decks and the 700,1000 do not use this tool. tom Ah, I was wondering what that was used for as I'd not seen or heard of it.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 04:31:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:31:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem Message-ID: <061220070231.20848.466E0593000441E30000517022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> The other day I got a ZX-9 in flawless physical and mechanical condition. It really does look brand new. I haven't had time to check out the record functions, but I have found a problem with playback. Left channel sounds perfect, but the right channel sound is VERY low and distorted. You can see this on the meters. Left channel meter reads normally. Right channel meter barely moves. I wonder if this is something very simple and/or obvious to fix....I can dream, can't I? :-) Aside from a possible dirty playback head, what could be the problem? Orange cap disease? Any help will be most appreciated. THANKS...... *andy* From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 05:53:11 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:53:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have used a sprayer with half windex (NOT a substitute) and half water and never had any problems with disolving lettering or paint. As always, try it gingerly first, but it does a good job of disolving gunk and seems to do no damage. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak Personally, I rarely use more than a damp cloth and elbow grease. If the marks are greasy I might add a little lemon juice to the water in which I rinse the cloth. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 11 June 2007 21:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Cleaning The Outside Of Your Nak I just got a new audio rack and I have been spending the afternoon putting most of my gear into it. I noticed that a couple of pieces were looking a little dirty. So I thought I would ask -- What are your recommendations for safely cleaning the outside of your Nakamichi? I want something that cleans well but leaves no residue (or as little residue as possible) and will NOT damage the lettering on the faceplate or damage any plastic parts. What do you all recommend? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jun 12 08:53:06 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:53:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem In-Reply-To: <061220070231.20848.466E0593000441E30000517022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061220070231.20848.466E0593000441E30000517022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <466E42D2.1020407@peromarta.org> I would recommend cleaning, demag., and calibration (head alignment and electrical). We should move & troubleshoot from there. Could be a cap, or a bad wire or connection somewhere. rgds, LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > The other day I got a ZX-9 in flawless physical and mechanical condition. It really does look brand new. > > I haven't had time to check out the record functions, but I have found a problem with playback. > > Left channel sounds perfect, but the right channel sound is VERY low and distorted. > > You can see this on the meters. Left channel meter reads normally. Right channel meter barely moves. > > I wonder if this is something very simple and/or obvious to fix....I can dream, can't I? :-) > > Aside from a possible dirty playback head, what could be the problem? > > Orange cap disease? > > Any help will be most appreciated. THANKS...... > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 12 11:52:31 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:52:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem Message-ID: Forgive me if I am teaching grannie to suck eggs but first, have you tried swapping the cables. just to be sure it's the machine itself that's got the problem? Also, have you tried wiggling the plug around in the R channel socket, lest it might be a bad connection? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 12 June 2007 03:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem The other day I got a ZX-9 in flawless physical and mechanical condition. It really does look brand new. I haven't had time to check out the record functions, but I have found a problem with playback. Left channel sounds perfect, but the right channel sound is VERY low and distorted. You can see this on the meters. Left channel meter reads normally. Right channel meter barely moves. I wonder if this is something very simple and/or obvious to fix....I can dream, can't I? :-) Aside from a possible dirty playback head, what could be the problem? Orange cap disease? Any help will be most appreciated. THANKS...... *andy* From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 12:03:23 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:03:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10706120303s468a76dcg6fbd73c0d4a67425@mail.gmail.com> If the right channel meter also shows the low playback signal level I think the problem is before the output socket and cables. On 6/12/07, Graham Nelson wrote: > > Forgive me if I am teaching grannie to suck eggs but first, have you tried > swapping the cables. just to be sure it's the machine itself that's got the > problem? Also, have you tried wiggling the plug around in the R channel > socket, lest it might be a bad connection? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: 12 June 2007 03:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem > > > > The other day I got a ZX-9 in flawless physical and mechanical condition. > It really does look brand new. > > I haven't had time to check out the record functions, but I have found a > problem with playback. > > Left channel sounds perfect, but the right channel sound is VERY low and > distorted. > > You can see this on the meters. Left channel meter reads normally. Right > channel meter barely moves. > > I wonder if this is something very simple and/or obvious to fix....I can > dream, can't I? :-) > > Aside from a possible dirty playback head, what could be the problem? > > Orange cap disease? > > Any help will be most appreciated. THANKS...... > > > *andy* > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 12 12:40:43 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:40:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706120303s468a76dcg6fbd73c0d4a67425@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Of course ... I'm a bit slow on the uptake today! :o) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 12 June 2007 11:03 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem If the right channel meter also shows the low playback signal level I think the problem is before the output socket and cables. On 6/12/07, Graham Nelson wrote: > > Forgive me if I am teaching grannie to suck eggs but first, have you tried > swapping the cables. just to be sure it's the machine itself that's got the > problem? Also, have you tried wiggling the plug around in the R channel > socket, lest it might be a bad connection? > > Gra' From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 12 12:37:25 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:37:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem Message-ID: Bravo Gra' & George...that is a lovely 100% correctly advise, also clean all the contacts on the back of the tape + maybe is just time to hook up a new interconnects??? Peace,ALEX! > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:03:23 +0100> From: george.valkov at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem> > If the right channel meter also shows the low playback signal level I> think the problem is before the output socket and cables.> > On 6/12/07, Graham Nelson wrote:> >> > Forgive me if I am teaching grannie to suck eggs but first, have you tried> > swapping the cables. just to be sure it's the machine itself that's got the> > problem? Also, have you tried wiggling the plug around in the R channel> > socket, lest it might be a bad connection?> >> > Gra'> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net> > Sent: 12 June 2007 03:32> > To: naktalk at naks.com> > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Playback Problem> >> >> >> > The other day I got a ZX-9 in flawless physical and mechanical condition.> > It really does look brand new.> >> > I haven't had time to check out the record functions, but I have found a> > problem with playback.> >> > Left channel sounds perfect, but the right channel sound is VERY low and> > distorted.> >> > You can see this on the meters. Left channel meter reads normally. Right> > channel meter barely moves.> >> > I wonder if this is something very simple and/or obvious to fix....I can> > dream, can't I? :-)> >> > Aside from a possible dirty playback head, what could be the problem?> >> > Orange cap disease?> >> > Any help will be most appreciated. THANKS......> >> >> > *andy*> >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming.  Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jun 12 13:39:57 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:09:57 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 Capstan not rotatin References: <200706121001.l5CA0xJf021677@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001901c7ace6$6fb11400$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all DR2 prob again .. while listening .. it kinda sighed and stopped. I thuoght it was a jammed cassette or a broken belt but on opening i see nothing wrong with the belt. (cassette is not the prob) The Capstan motor does not rotate in play mode althought the take up / supply motors are working fine. Any ideas please ? Need to get this up & running soon or i wont get any work done. Thanks and Regards Soumitra From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jun 12 13:49:01 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:19:01 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin Message-ID: <002201c7ace7$acb47940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Ok, i checked the voltage across the capstan motor and on playback it is 12.48 so probably this is some other mechanical issue ? Thanks Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > Hi all > DR2 prob again .. while listening .. it kinda sighed and stopped. I > thuoght it was a jammed cassette or a broken belt but on opening i see > nothing wrong with the belt. (cassette is not the prob) > The Capstan motor does not rotate in play mode althought the take up / > supply motors are working fine. > > Any ideas please ? Need to get this up & running soon or i wont get any > work done. > > Thanks and Regards > Soumitra From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jun 12 14:14:07 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:44:07 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin Message-ID: <002d01c7aceb$2f220840$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Ok i disconnected and took out the transport, disconnected the capstan motor leads and supplied a 12VDC reg across the motor terminals and it ran .. so this is not a motor issue either ... so what is it ? There is a 12.48V supply to the motor during playback and the motor itself is working but why wont it play ? Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > Ok, i checked the voltage across the capstan motor and on playback it is > 12.48 so probably this is some other mechanical issue ? > > Thanks > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 PM > Subject: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > > >> Hi all >> DR2 prob again .. while listening .. it kinda sighed and stopped. I >> thuoght it was a jammed cassette or a broken belt but on opening i see >> nothing wrong with the belt. (cassette is not the prob) >> The Capstan motor does not rotate in play mode althought the take up / >> supply motors are working fine. >> >> Any ideas please ? Need to get this up & running soon or i wont get any >> work done. >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Soumitra > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jun 12 14:19:12 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:12 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin Message-ID: <003201c7aceb$e4a10b80$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> ok .. its working now .. thanks everybody. Best Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > Ok i disconnected and took out the transport, disconnected the capstan > motor leads and supplied a 12VDC reg across the motor terminals and it ran > .. so this is not a motor issue either ... so what is it ? > There is a 12.48V supply to the motor during playback and the motor itself > is working but why wont it play ? > > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:19 PM > Subject: Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > > >> Ok, i checked the voltage across the capstan motor and on playback it is >> 12.48 so probably this is some other mechanical issue ? >> >> Thanks >> Soumi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 PM >> Subject: DR2 Capstan not rotatin >> >> >>> Hi all >>> DR2 prob again .. while listening .. it kinda sighed and stopped. I >>> thuoght it was a jammed cassette or a broken belt but on opening i see >>> nothing wrong with the belt. (cassette is not the prob) >>> The Capstan motor does not rotate in play mode althought the take up / >>> supply motors are working fine. >>> >>> Any ideas please ? Need to get this up & running soon or i wont get any >>> work done. >>> >>> Thanks and Regards >>> Soumitra >> > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Tue Jun 12 16:40:57 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:40:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Why Are There Almost NO Bids On This Auction?!? References: Message-ID: <003801c7acff$b16f0730$b207010a@hurtignok> Willy, Another 680 for sale. Check out Ebay item 220121323000 Per From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 19:33:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:33:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 - Playback Problem LOCATED AND SOLVED Message-ID: <061220071733.6217.466ED905000B1BBF0000184922165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ben kindly gave me some advice about my ZX-9 which seems to have worked! He told me to turn the power off and turn all switches and knobs back and forth a number of times. This sounded like a good idea, because of the age of these machines, there is bound to be some oxidation on the controls which can cause all sorts of unwanted behaviour. I did as Ben suggested, and my right channel meter AND playback were instantly restored. I loaded an audio book into the ZX-9 and played it. This particular audio book's left and right channels register pretty much equal on the meters of my 682ZX. It was then that I noticed that the right channel on the ZX-9 was actually reading higher than the left channel. So, on a hunch, I turned the Tape/Source monitor knob back and forth a couple more times. Bingo! Both channels are now reading equally and sound fantastic. I am going to open up the ZX-9 and give all of the switches and controls a good dose of deoxiding spray, and she should be as good as new. BY THE WAY: You really MUST get a ZX-9--for those of you who might not have one yet. No Nak collection would be complete without it! The sound quality is absolutely unbelievable. Crisp highs, super warm bass, wonderful imaging, magnificent detail. I have heard Stephen Sank say that he thinks the CR-7 is the best sounding Nak. Well, once I get my CR-7 up and running, it should be an interesting showdown, because I honestly can't see what the CR-7 might offer soundwise that is not already being amply provided for by my ZX-9. A simply awesome machine. *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: benstratford at aol.com > Andy, > With power off, turn all switches and knobs back and forth 25 times > (NOT AZIMUTH ADJUSTMENT KNOB) > This helped my mint but seldom used ZX-9 on arrival with a similar issue - Low > left channel > Don't get your hopes up too high, It could also be a cap (Probably) > Ben > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos > and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite > artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 12 21:22:03 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: DR2 Capstan not rotatin In-Reply-To: <002201c7ace7$acb47940$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <637499.57395.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does your DR 2 capstan motor start turning when you go in to play mode ? Check the micro switch behind the cassette door - if that odes not correctly engage this problem can occur ( ofcourse FF /REW also may not work. ) kannan soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Ok, i checked the voltage across the capstan motor and on playback it is 12.48 so probably this is some other mechanical issue ? Thanks Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: DR2 Capstan not rotatin > Hi all > DR2 prob again .. while listening .. it kinda sighed and stopped. I > thuoght it was a jammed cassette or a broken belt but on opening i see > nothing wrong with the belt. (cassette is not the prob) > The Capstan motor does not rotate in play mode althought the take up / > supply motors are working fine. > > Any ideas please ? Need to get this up & running soon or i wont get any > work done. > > Thanks and Regards > Soumitra ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 12 22:51:38 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:51:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 - Playback Problem LOCATED AND SOLVED In-Reply-To: <061220071733.6217.466ED905000B1BBF0000184922165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy You will find there is a significant difference in sound between the CR7 and ZX-9. Some prefer the CR-7, I preferred the ZX-9 and sold my CR-7 - it's a matter of taste. Enjoy the music! Gra' BY THE WAY: You really MUST get a ZX-9--for those of you who might not have one yet. No Nak collection would be complete without it! The sound quality is absolutely unbelievable. Crisp highs, super warm bass, wonderful imaging, magnificent detail. I have heard Stephen Sank say that he thinks the CR-7 is the best sounding Nak. Well, once I get my CR-7 up and running, it should be an interesting showdown, because I honestly can't see what the CR-7 might offer soundwise that is not already being amply provided for by my ZX-9. A simply awesome machine. *andy* From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 12 19:59:19 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:59:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 - Playback Problem LOCATED AND SOLVED Message-ID: Great Andy, I'm glad to be of service, but claim NO credit for relaying the tip that sorted this exact problem on my ZX-9 - Given to me free of charge, no strings attached as usual and gratefully received from ALEX: Peace to you my Friend. (What a great forum this is!) Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at windsupmv.com Wed Jun 13 01:24:03 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:24:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070612191841.00c22b98@pop.registeredsite.com> Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Thanks, Geoff From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 23:09:27 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:09:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - It Is FIXED! FINALLY! Message-ID: <061220072109.16031.466F0B87000CF89900003E9F22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Thanks to a fellow member of NakTalk, who generously made available to me a CR-3 parts deck, my BX-300 is no longer sick! After lots of voltage checking and process of elimination, I found the culprit. It turns out that the controller IC on the counter PCB (IC701) had failed. This caused the weird flickering/re-setting counter digits, but what's worse, it also caused the deck to constantly return itself to PLAY mode, making it impossible for the deck to rewind, fast-forward, or even remain stopped. IC701 is listed in the BX-300 service manual as being type LM6416E-106. The CR-3 had the same IC in the logic circuit, so it was a just a simple case of grabbing that IC out of the CR-3 and soldering it into its proper place on the BX-300 counter PCB. (Did I mention how much of a pain de-soldering and re-soldering IC's are?) Bingo! (I can't believe I've said that word twice today!) No more weird BX-300 behaviour! It is solid as a rock now. What is interesting is that the CR-3's IC, whilst having the same part number, does not have *exactly* the same firmware. It is 99 percent the same, but not exactly. Now, when I insert a tape and it rewinds automatically, the counter counts FORWARD, not back. Whoopsy daisy! LOL Otherwise, the new IC performs flawlessly and I have NO complaints. THANKS SO MUCH to the NakTalk member for his help (and parts)! Thanks to Ron for all of his extremely helpful suggestions about measuring voltages. And thanks also to Tim Schwartz of Bristol electronics for offering more helpful advice on tracking down the problem. I know I don't have to say it, but I'll say it anyhow--What a fantastic resource NakTalk is! And what a fantastic bunch of folks, too. Thanks....again. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 23:13:24 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:13:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OK, Here's a Dumb Question For Circuit Experts... Message-ID: <061220072113.2003.466F0C7400091885000007D322155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Shortly after I took apart my BX-300 to try to fix it, I acquired a BX-300 made in 1986. The BX-300 that was sick (but is now fixed) was made in 1984. I opened the 1986 BX to take a look at it. I immediately noticed the "extra" PC board mounted on the right side near the back. According to the service manaul, this "extra" PC board is the Input Amp. MY QUESTIONS: Why was this board added? What benefit does it have? Are BX-300 decks that have this board "better" than earlier BX-300 decks? Dumb questions, I know, but curiousity has gotten the better of me. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 13 01:47:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:47:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: <061220072347.713.466F30780009E2EA000002C922155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I know that I said that you all should get a ZX-9 if you don't already have one, but I have a couple of issues with this auction.... ....For one thing, I think the word "mint" might be a slight overstatement. Look closely at the rear of the deck. To me, "mint" means MINT. And how about that low starting bid? Woo-hoo! http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-in-box-Nakamichi-ZX-9-ZX9-The-Best_W0QQitemZ260128113780QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 13 01:52:10 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:52:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: <984CE8B1-B7D5-4BB8-A15A-67561A92CF13@alumni.caltech.edu> Hard to tell from the picture. Could be just styrofoam from the inserts that broke and got stuck to the plate.-kby From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 13 02:05:28 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:05:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geoff at windsupmv.com writes: Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Hi Geoff, My 680 had exactly the same problem with the supply side pinch roller assembly. Tom Brucker suggested WD-40 applied to the axle on which the assembly moves. Get a can of WD-40 and spray some in a tin can. Then suck it up into an eye-dropper or syringe. Apparently Tom generally does it by putting the deck on its back, and dribbling the WD-40 on to the axle from the front, but I had more success dribbling in the WD-40 from the spring side and putting the deck face down. Let it soak in over night - it will move down the axle by capillary action and gravity. A little bit applied many times is better than a lot applied at once, I think. If you remove the face of the deck, following the instructions in the SM, you can also manually move the assembly at the arm to which the spring is connected, working it back and forth. You might have to repeat the procedure a few times - I had to do it over and over, but then it finally worked, and has worked very well since then. Dunno about the light. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 03:49:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1512.40949.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys, WD-40 works to get it moving, but for the longer term, you have to get the old grease cleaned up and fresh lubrication applied. The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. Bala Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geoff at windsupmv.com writes: Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Hi Geoff, My 680 had exactly the same problem with the supply side pinch roller assembly. Tom Brucker suggested WD-40 applied to the axle on which the assembly moves. Get a can of WD-40 and spray some in a tin can. Then suck it up into an eye-dropper or syringe. Apparently Tom generally does it by putting the deck on its back, and dribbling the WD-40 on to the axle from the front, but I had more success dribbling in the WD-40 from the spring side and putting the deck face down. Let it soak in over night - it will move down the axle by capillary action and gravity. A little bit applied many times is better than a lot applied at once, I think. If you remove the face of the deck, following the instructions in the SM, you can also manually move the assembly at the arm to which the spring is connected, working it back and forth. You might have to repeat the procedure a few times - I had to do it over and over, but then it finally worked, and has worked very well since then. Dunno about the light. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 13 04:47:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:47:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - It Is FIXED! FINALLY! In-Reply-To: <061220072109.16031.466F0B87000CF89900003E9F22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061220072109.16031.466F0B87000CF89900003E9F22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <466F5AB2.4040605@rcn.com> Congratulations. The faulty controller was a distinct possibility. You were very lucky to find a replacement. BTW, desoldering and resoldering are only a pain the first time. By the 50th time you'll be able to do it in your sleep, with one hand tied behind your back :-). I doubt Nak had two different versions of the same IC number. That would be a messy way of running a business and I doubt they did it. It sounds like the controller is not aware of the direction of rotation. I would carefully check everything around the IC -- in fact, everything that has been touched at all -- to find the culprit for the strange behaviour. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Thanks to a fellow member of NakTalk, who generously made available to me a CR-3 parts deck, my BX-300 is no longer sick! > > After lots of voltage checking and process of elimination, I found the culprit. It turns out that the controller IC on the counter PCB (IC701) had failed. This caused the weird flickering/re-setting counter digits, but what's worse, it also caused the deck to constantly return itself to PLAY mode, making it impossible for the deck to rewind, fast-forward, or even remain stopped. > > IC701 is listed in the BX-300 service manual as being type LM6416E-106. The CR-3 had the same IC in the logic circuit, so it was a just a simple case of grabbing that IC out of the CR-3 and soldering it into its proper place on the BX-300 counter PCB. (Did I mention how much of a pain de-soldering and re-soldering IC's are?) > > Bingo! (I can't believe I've said that word twice today!) No more weird BX-300 behaviour! It is solid as a rock now. > > What is interesting is that the CR-3's IC, whilst having the same part number, does not have *exactly* the same firmware. It is 99 percent the same, but not exactly. Now, when I insert a tape and it rewinds automatically, the counter counts FORWARD, not back. Whoopsy daisy! LOL Otherwise, the new IC performs flawlessly and I have NO complaints. > > THANKS SO MUCH to the NakTalk member for his help (and parts)! > > Thanks to Ron for all of his extremely helpful suggestions about measuring voltages. > > And thanks also to Tim Schwartz of Bristol electronics for offering more helpful advice on tracking down the problem. > > I know I don't have to say it, but I'll say it anyhow--What a fantastic resource NakTalk is! And what a fantastic bunch of folks, too. Thanks....again. > > > *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 13 05:18:58 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:18:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2007 6:52:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: WD-40 works to get it moving, but for the longer term, you have to get the old grease cleaned up and fresh lubrication applied. The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. Hi Bala, Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, cleaning up the old grease and applying fresh lubrication requires disassembly of the transport, and disassembly of the transport in a 670/680 requires head alignment when putting it back together. That requires test tapes, etc - which most of us don't have. The beauty of the WD-40 fix is that it doesn't require any mechanical adjustments. My 680 has worked perfectly for a year since doing it, so I don't hesitate recommending it to anybody. I've seen 480's with this problem too. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Jun 13 13:46:14 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:46:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems In-Reply-To: <336500.67650.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0795E873@mail.mmsav.com> <336500.67650.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40A0793ADF9@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Kannan, Good news! The Dragon is working! With the schematics in hand, I noticed that IC 602, pin 22, was not getting the Record logic signal. IC 601, pin 30, was outputting the logic but it wasn't making it to IC 602. I found a broken trace under some of that corrosive glue that they used to stick wires and components to the pcb. I have run into more problems with that silly glue that almost all of the manufacturers used to stabilize components and parts to the pcb assemblies. Over the years I learned to remove all of that glue from equipment where it comes in contact with component leads of pcb traces. So the Dragon is now functioning as designed. It is not pretty, but is working. I will list it on eBay with lots of pictures to show the condition cosmetically. Thanks again for the info about ebaman! I would have chased my tail for a long time without the schematics. Doug ________________________________ From: kannan srinivasaraghavan [mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Doug Guth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Test Tone Problems Hi Doug The Dragon Service manual pdf is available at ebaman.com . If you cannot locate - I can email one - the attachment will be over 10MB. Are you trying to sell this unit?. THis may be a small component fault at the mode changes - Kannan Doug Guth wrote: Thanks for the replies Alex and Kannan. The problem with this Dragon appears to be with the logic circuitry. The test tones work fine in Record/Pause mode when Tape/Source is switched to source. But when the deck is in Tape mode (like the owner's manual specifies) it will not start the test tones or transport. In fact, if it is in Record Source mode and then switched to Tape mode, the tones will shut off. A Dragon is normally put into Record/Pause mode, Tape/Source switch in Tape position, correct Tape Type selected, then when Level (400Hz Tone) is pressed the transport will set the counter to zero and begin recording the tone to allow the level controls to be adjusted for that cassette. After that the Bias (15kHz tone) button is pressed and the NAAC adjusts the head azimuth and you can then adjust the bias levels. When Reset is pressed the deck stops recording and rewinds back to zero. I worked at Nakamichi dealers in service from 1978 until 1999 when I went back in! to commercial AV service. (I miss the High End business!) The store that I had last worked at, unfortunately, went out of business. The manager called me before the liquidators came in and offered to sell me the parts stock and service manuals. I fortunately was able to buy what was there but unfortunately the Dragon service manual was missing. That is why I thought I'd see if anyone on NakTalk had seen this problem before. One of my old customers died and I am disposing of his Nakamichi system for his wife. I have gone through each piece of his equipment and cleaned and aligned it before selling it. That is how I discovered that his old Dragon was not operating how it was designed. He was blind and never really used the alignment system. I just set the deck up at my service bench at the store for him and he would use specific tape brands. It's a shame the deck has this problem since it records and plays beautifully. It is not in good cosmetic shape though. It'! s pretty nicked up and the nomenclature is worn off of the bez! el. He had touched it quite a bit to find the controls since he couldn't see them. I finally sold him a CA-7A which integrated his system onto one remote control. That worked out perfect for him! Thanks all! Doug ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at windsupmv.com Wed Jun 13 14:12:55 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:12:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] stop bulb Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070613081154.00c37bd8@pop.registeredsite.com> Hi, someone on this site must know where I can procure a stop bulb for my 670zx? Thanks. Geoff From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 13 15:08:42 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:08:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Message-ID: <061320071308.1560.466FEC5A000791E30000061822165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi Geoff and welcome to NakTalk! I found the perfect replacement for the burned-out Stop button bulb on your 670ZX. I bought this bulb on a model railroad website and used it for the Stop button on my 682ZX. It works perfectly, looks original when it lights up, and is the closest match I found to the original bulb. (It's funny that the Stop button light wears out so quickly, but it does blink all the time when you turn the deck on...at least mine does...I'm sure that contributes to its early demise.) The bulb is rated at 12v 30mA, which is within the range of acceptable ratings for the Stop button bulb. It's actually a little smaller than the original bulb, so you will have no problems at all fitting it inside the Stop button. The price is for a pack of 10, which is handy in case any other button lights go bad! http://www.miniatronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=18-712-10&Category_Code=1_1&Product_Count=13 Good Luck! *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 13 16:17:10 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:17:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems In-Reply-To: <1512.40949.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, In a conversation with John Nelson yesterday we covered exactly the same topic. There might be a cutoff date where Nakamichi altered their assembly, leaving the grease off. LX3 decks never seem to have grease. Let's try and narrow it down by year. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:49 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Hi guys, WD-40 works to get it moving, but for the longer term, you have to get the old grease cleaned up and fresh lubrication applied. The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. Bala Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geoff at windsupmv.com writes: Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Hi Geoff, My 680 had exactly the same problem with the supply side pinch roller assembly. Tom Brucker suggested WD-40 applied to the axle on which the assembly moves. Get a can of WD-40 and spray some in a tin can. Then suck it up into an eye-dropper or syringe. Apparently Tom generally does it by putting the deck on its back, and dribbling the WD-40 on to the axle from the front, but I had more success dribbling in the WD-40 from the spring side and putting the deck face down. Let it soak in over night - it will move down the axle by capillary action and gravity. A little bit applied many times is better than a lot applied at once, I think. If you remove the face of the deck, following the instructions in the SM, you can also manually move the assembly at the arm to which the spring is connected, working it back and forth. You might have to repeat the procedure a few times - I had to do it over and over, but then it finally worked, and has worked very well since then. Dunno about the light. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 13 16:14:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:14:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers Message-ID: <061320071414.1101.466FFBE10004D7B80000044D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have two BX-300 decks. The deck made in 1986 has an extra PC board inside that is NOT inside the deck made in 1984. I posted my question about this "extra" PC board inside the 1986 BX-300 to a couple of internet newsgroups. The PC board in question is called an "Input Amp" in the service manual, and I have verified that this "Input Amp" circuit was NOT installed in my 1984 BX-300. I got two very different but very plausible sounding answers as to what might be the function of this "Input Amp", so I thought I would share them with you all and see what you think. ANSWER #1: ** The dates [of my two BX-300 decks] are very significant - coincides with CD players coming into popular, world wide use. Many early CD players generated significant supersonic signals at their RCA outputs due to inadequate LP filters and the use of oversampling in the D to A conversion - mainly at the 44.1 kHz sampling frequency and harmonics going up to 4 or 8 times that frequency. When transcribing a CD to cassette, these supersonics can be rendered audible on the recording by beating with the record /erase bias frequency used in the recorder, which is typically around 50kHz to 70kHz. The recording would contain low level but annoying whistling noises as a result. So, Naka's " Input Amp " ( really input filter) is likely there to solve the problem. ======================== ANSWER #2: A lot of tape decks have an unfortunate characteristic - when they're powered off, their line-input circuitry presents a somewhat nasty electrical load to whatever is driving it. Ideally, you'd want such an input to behave somewhat like an intermediate-value resistor... one which is a nice, linear load that doesn't load down the source. Unless you're careful in your design, the input circuitry may tend to "look" somewhat like a diode clamping the signal to ground, when the circuit is powered off. Many audio preamps and receivers simply feed the "out to tape deck" jacks by taking the same preamplified signal that they're about to send to the volume control and feeding it through a small-value resistor to the "tape out" jacks. If such a preamp is connected to a powered-down tape deck, the deck's nonlinear input load can cause some amount of distortion in the audio signal inside the preamp... perhaps enough to be audible, perhaps not. This isn't a problem if the audio preamp/receiver drives its "tape out" jacks through a separate, robust buffer, or if the tape deck has input circuitry which presents a high-Z, purely resistive load even when not powered up. It's possible that the extra board in the later BX-300 decks is an input buffer, which isolates the deck's internal circuitry from the signal source and which preserves this isolation even when powered off. A FET-input op amp, with a high-value input resistor would probably serve... and I'm sure that there are numerous discrete circuits which would have the same benefit. ======================== So....What do you all think? *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 16:32:55 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: <061320071414.1101.466FFBE10004D7B80000044D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <237730.93286.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> None I think - I have studied the BX 300 manual - There is no basic difference in the circuit from earlier model . Better get hold of service manual for your answer as I am not having quick access to the manual kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have two BX-300 decks. The deck made in 1986 has an extra PC board inside that is NOT inside the deck made in 1984. I posted my question about this "extra" PC board inside the 1986 BX-300 to a couple of internet newsgroups. The PC board in question is called an "Input Amp" in the service manual, and I have verified that this "Input Amp" circuit was NOT installed in my 1984 BX-300. I got two very different but very plausible sounding answers as to what might be the function of this "Input Amp", so I thought I would share them with you all and see what you think. ANSWER #1: ** The dates [of my two BX-300 decks] are very significant - coincides with CD players coming into popular, world wide use. Many early CD players generated significant supersonic signals at their RCA outputs due to inadequate LP filters and the use of oversampling in the D to A conversion - mainly at the 44.1 kHz sampling frequency and harmonics going up to 4 or 8 times that frequency. When transcribing a CD to cassette, these supersonics can be rendered audible on the recording by beating with the record /erase bias frequency used in the recorder, which is typically around 50kHz to 70kHz. The recording would contain low level but annoying whistling noises as a result. So, Naka's " Input Amp " ( really input filter) is likely there to solve the problem. ======================== ANSWER #2: A lot of tape decks have an unfortunate characteristic - when they're powered off, their line-input circuitry presents a somewhat nasty electrical load to whatever is driving it. Ideally, you'd want such an input to behave somewhat like an intermediate-value resistor... one which is a nice, linear load that doesn't load down the source. Unless you're careful in your design, the input circuitry may tend to "look" somewhat like a diode clamping the signal to ground, when the circuit is powered off. Many audio preamps and receivers simply feed the "out to tape deck" jacks by taking the same preamplified signal that they're about to send to the volume control and feeding it through a small-value resistor to the "tape out" jacks. If such a preamp is connected to a powered-down tape deck, the deck's nonlinear input load can cause some amount of distortion in the audio signal inside the preamp... perhaps enough to be audible, perhaps not. This isn't a problem if the audio preamp/receiver drives its "tape out" jacks through a separate, robust buffer, or if the tape deck has input circuitry which presents a high-Z, purely resistive load even when not powered up. It's possible that the extra board in the later BX-300 decks is an input buffer, which isolates the deck's internal circuitry from the signal source and which preserves this isolation even when powered off. A FET-input op amp, with a high-value input resistor would probably serve... and I'm sure that there are numerous discrete circuits which would have the same benefit. ======================== So....What do you all think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 13 16:14:43 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:14:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx porblems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have had a few decks resist the solvent and had to remove the entire guide post. I have switched to PB Blaster as the chemical of choice...less volitile. Search the NakTalk archives for "lamp". There were some part numbers I posted and a lamp from Radio Shack that will replce your stop lamp. Searck "lamp+mute" and you will find the instructions to modify the circuit to prevent the mute. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx porblems In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geoff at windsupmv.com writes: Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Hi Geoff, My 680 had exactly the same problem with the supply side pinch roller assembly. Tom Brucker suggested WD-40 applied to the axle on which the assembly moves. Get a can of WD-40 and spray some in a tin can. Then suck it up into an eye-dropper or syringe. Apparently Tom generally does it by putting the deck on its back, and dribbling the WD-40 on to the axle from the front, but I had more success dribbling in the WD-40 from the spring side and putting the deck face down. Let it soak in over night - it will move down the axle by capillary action and gravity. A little bit applied many times is better than a lot applied at once, I think. If you remove the face of the deck, following the instructions in the SM, you can also manually move the assembly at the arm to which the spring is connected, working it back and forth. You might have to repeat the procedure a few times - I had to do it over and over, but then it finally worked, and has worked very well since then. Dunno about the light. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 13 17:45:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:45:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: <061320071414.1101.466FFBE10004D7B80000044D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061320071414.1101.466FFBE10004D7B80000044D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46701120.4060903@rcn.com> The BX-300 manual I have shows a separate Input Amp (actually, a buffer with muting capability). I never new that there existed BX-300s without it. As to your conjectures, I don't buy Answer #1, because *all* CD players must have an output filter. If they didn't, they would sound horrible, since the high frequencies contain aliased products that are not harmonically related to the signal. In addition, the input amp does not contain any filtering and is directly followed by a multiplex filter on the main PCB that provides this function. As to answer #2, I cannot believe that Nakamichi offered a BX-300 that exhibited a low and/or non-linear input impedance when turned off. That would be very poor design, acceptable for low end cassette deck but not a deck that cost as much as the BX-300. In all probability, a similar buffer was incorporated right on the main PCB in the older design. Having disagreed with your answers, I can't offer a better answer as to why did Nak chose to put the input amp on a separate PCB. Possibly, they were just cramped for space on that area of the main PCB (take a look -- it *is* jam packed full of stuff) and the input amp PCB simply solved their space problem... -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have two BX-300 decks. The deck made in 1986 has an extra PC board inside that is NOT inside the deck made in 1984. I posted my question about this "extra" PC board inside the 1986 BX-300 to a couple of internet newsgroups. > > The PC board in question is called an "Input Amp" in the service manual, and I have verified that this "Input Amp" circuit was NOT installed in my 1984 BX-300. > > I got two very different but very plausible sounding answers as to what might be the function of this "Input Amp", so I thought I would share them with you all and see what you think. > > ANSWER #1: > > ** The dates [of my two BX-300 decks] are very significant - coincides with CD players > coming into popular, world wide use. > > Many early CD players generated significant supersonic signals at their RCA > outputs due to inadequate LP filters and the use of oversampling in the D to > A conversion - mainly at the 44.1 kHz sampling frequency and harmonics > going up to 4 or 8 times that frequency. > > When transcribing a CD to cassette, these supersonics can be rendered > audible on the recording by beating with the record /erase bias frequency > used in the recorder, which is typically around 50kHz to 70kHz. The > recording would contain low level but annoying whistling noises as a result. > > So, Naka's " Input Amp " ( really input filter) is likely there to solve > the problem. > ======================== > > ANSWER #2: > > A lot of tape decks have an unfortunate characteristic - when they're > powered off, their line-input circuitry presents a somewhat nasty > electrical load to whatever is driving it. Ideally, you'd want such > an input to behave somewhat like an intermediate-value resistor... one > which is a nice, linear load that doesn't load down the source. Unless > you're careful in your design, the input circuitry may tend to "look" > somewhat like a diode clamping the signal to ground, when the circuit > is powered off. > > Many audio preamps and receivers simply feed the "out to tape deck" > jacks by taking the same preamplified signal that they're about to > send to the volume control and feeding it through a small-value > resistor to the "tape out" jacks. If such a preamp is connected to a > powered-down tape deck, the deck's nonlinear input load can cause some > amount of distortion in the audio signal inside the preamp... perhaps > enough to be audible, perhaps not. > > This isn't a problem if the audio preamp/receiver drives its "tape > out" jacks through a separate, robust buffer, or if the tape deck has > input circuitry which presents a high-Z, purely resistive load even > when not powered up. > > It's possible that the extra board in the later BX-300 decks is an > input buffer, which isolates the deck's internal circuitry from the > signal source and which preserves this isolation even when powered > off. A FET-input op amp, with a high-value input resistor would > probably serve... and I'm sure that there are numerous discrete > circuits which would have the same benefit. > ======================== > > So....What do you all think? > > *andy* From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 19:47:55 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <176706.69872.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, While appearing at about the same time, the stability of the ZXL transport is a puzzling to me. However, because minor changes seems to be made to the pinch roller housing assembly - especially the design of the pinch roller housing and material used to make the plastic molding. These are my own observations of course. My course would be to add silicon oil due to dis-similar materials rubbing against each other. It also present the cam assembly with an easier job of lifting up the heads and pinch rollers while extending the longevity of the pivot points. Bala hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Bala, In a conversation with John Nelson yesterday we covered exactly the same topic. There might be a cutoff date where Nakamichi altered their assembly, leaving the grease off. LX3 decks never seem to have grease. Let's try and narrow it down by year. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:49 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx porblems Hi guys, WD-40 works to get it moving, but for the longer term, you have to get the old grease cleaned up and fresh lubrication applied. The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. Bala Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2007 4:53:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geoff at windsupmv.com writes: Hi, new here, this is my third time trying to post and not getting through. I recently purchased the 670zx. It has the dry grease problem I read about in the arkives. The left side capstan will not engage, nd I have tried alcohol and elbow grease, but it is still stiffer than the spring. I got the right hand side working fine. I don't have the tools to do a calibration, so am I sunk? I also need to find out where I can buy a replacement bulb for the stop button. Hi Geoff, My 680 had exactly the same problem with the supply side pinch roller assembly. Tom Brucker suggested WD-40 applied to the axle on which the assembly moves. Get a can of WD-40 and spray some in a tin can. Then suck it up into an eye-dropper or syringe. Apparently Tom generally does it by putting the deck on its back, and dribbling the WD-40 on to the axle from the front, but I had more success dribbling in the WD-40 from the spring side and putting the deck face down. Let it soak in over night - it will move down the axle by capillary action and gravity. A little bit applied many times is better than a lot applied at once, I think. If you remove the face of the deck, following the instructions in the SM, you can also manually move the assembly at the arm to which the spring is connected, working it back and forth. You might have to repeat the procedure a few times - I had to do it over and over, but then it finally worked, and has worked very well since then. Dunno about the light. 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Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 13 20:00:26 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:00:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: <46701120.4060903@rcn.com> References: <061320071414.1101.466FFBE10004D7B80000044D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <46701120.4060903@rcn.com> Message-ID: <467030BA.5090000@xs4all.nl> Actually i'm looking in my BX-300 service manual and see the Input Amp pcb figure printed (page 17), below the image you can read 'Serial No.: A12702001 -' which would mean it was there from the first BX-300 on. BTW, these images are missing in the pdf versions of this manual I know of. Wouter Ron wrote: > > The BX-300 manual I have shows a separate Input Amp > (actually, a buffer with muting capability). I never > new that there existed BX-300s without it. > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> I have two BX-300 decks. The deck made in 1986 has an extra PC board >> inside that is NOT inside the deck made in 1984. I posted my >> question about this "extra" PC board inside the 1986 BX-300 to a >> couple of internet newsgroups. >> The PC board in question is called an "Input Amp" in the service >> manual, and I have verified that this "Input Amp" circuit was NOT >> installed in my 1984 BX-300. From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Jun 13 20:13:44 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:13:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX125E won't wind/rewind (My first post) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 20:40:21 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: <467030BA.5090000@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <224877.64385.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter I clearly remember this part was originally in the main pcb or part of another sub pcb - later seperated out. Basically the circuit did not change from the previous version though Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Actually i'm looking in my BX-300 service manual and see the Input Amp pcb figure printed (page 17), below the image you can read 'Serial No.: A12702001 -' which would mean it was there from the first BX-300 on. BTW, these images are missing in the pdf versions of this manual I know of. Wouter Ron wrote: > > The BX-300 manual I have shows a separate Input Amp > (actually, a buffer with muting capability). I never > new that there existed BX-300s without it. > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> I have two BX-300 decks. The deck made in 1986 has an extra PC board >> inside that is NOT inside the deck made in 1984. I posted my >> question about this "extra" PC board inside the 1986 BX-300 to a >> couple of internet newsgroups. >> The PC board in question is called an "Input Amp" in the service >> manual, and I have verified that this "Input Amp" circuit was NOT >> installed in my 1984 BX-300. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 13 22:04:55 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:04:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound In-Reply-To: <465C8A7B.9050504@xs4all.nl> References: <465C8A7B.9050504@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <46704DE7.60508@xs4all.nl> Found the time to install a new stop light tonight and that fixed the sound problem (also changed the speed light), still have to do Tom's mod when i get the parts. There seems to be another problem, it kind of crackles the tape while playing so the transport must be misaligned, both capstans are running at least so no dried grease! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > Can a broken stop light (and normal speed light) be the cause of no > sound while playing a tape? > When in 'source' i hear sound, and also when cueing a tape but not at > normal play. From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 13 21:14:50 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:14:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2007 10:52:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: While appearing at about the same time, the stability of the ZXL transport is a puzzling to me. However, because minor changes seems to be made to the pinch roller housing assembly - especially the design of the pinch roller housing and material used to make the plastic molding. These are my own observations of course. My course would be to add silicon oil due to dis-similar materials rubbing against each other. It also present the cam assembly with an easier job of lifting up the heads and pinch rollers while extending the longevity of the pivot points. I might be wrong about this, but I think the 680 was introduced after the ZXL's. The 680's version of RAMM is somewhat more advanced than the ZXL RAMM, which depended on a signal imbedded in the tape. Nakamichi solved the problem of "watermarking" with the 680 - distinguishing the silence between tracks from silent passages in the music. I'm sure the engineers had no idea what problems the grease and pivot would cause 25 years later, and we're just seeing an unintended consequence of some minor design detail. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 13 19:22:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:22:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX125E won't wind/rewind (My first post) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alan, Perhaps the idler tire is undersized? Try removing the tape door and coverplate, and run it with no tape. Does the idler "skip" or chatter against the reel table? Dean has some excellent tires and will probably contact you. What you call a "capstan" is the black reel table, correct? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Allan Morris Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX125E won't wind/rewind (My first post) My BX125 E was working fine after I replaced the 'tire' but having stored it for some months it now will not wind/rewind and the right (as you look at it) capstan does not rotate in play mode. Help! Can it be fixed by DIY? Cheers - Allan From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 13 22:40:35 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:40:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: <26F9F5A4-D455-4472-85F7-8DAC8CE12719@alumni.caltech.edu> > The strange things is that while a number of decks share a > common transport (with slightly different pinch roller > assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. My project 700zxl, which is, I believe, an early one, had this issue.- kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 13 22:38:38 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:38:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: <9EF89C51-09CE-43E2-B828-4AED59394042@alumni.caltech.edu> > The 680's version of RAMM is somewhat more advanced than the ZXL > RAMM, > which depended on a signal imbedded in the tape. Actually, if you read the marketing literature, it's the other way around. The signal being imbedded is intended to overcome the shortcomings of just counting spaces. First, it provides an absolute number to the selection, so that you don't have to find all the gaps from the beginning of the tape to figure out which one is #3. Second, it's more unique and less prone to being mis- guessed as just a soft spot or a silence which the user didn't want counted. Finally, it encodes the correct playback EQ as part of the info, in case you decided to record it with a non-standard EQ (and you don't have to mess up your deck's settings just to play this tape, either. That said, how much it accomplished each of the above goals isn't as clear. The manual explicitly states that silence is used in lieu of a new code in determining the end of a RAMM selection during playback and it at least appears that silences during scanning for a selection can cause it to go back and look for a signal. If I can find the marketing hoopla that touted the zxl's system as an advance, I'll try to post it.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Jun 13 22:49:29 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:49:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: Jeff, I agree with the unexpected lubrication issue and it would be great to understand if it could be limited to certain serial numbers of certain decks. My 680zx has one pinch roller that engages slower than the other which seems to be this problem starting. The 680 pinch rollers are equally fast and smooth. With regard to RAMM, my understanding is that the ZXL RAMM used the 5hz, 20 bit digital codes to remember the track i.d., playback equalisation and noise reduction settings which are automatically switched when replayed. This enhancement of the 680 RAMM was in response to the fact that there were tracks with more than 2 second pauses which confused the selection process. ZXL RAMM is therefore very sophisticated but equally complicated to programme if not practiced regularly. (Or in my case, have a laminated section of the manual to hand!) Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Jun 13 22:55:24 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The 680's predated the ZXL's, not the reverse. Many of us in the repair business were thrilled to see a system which depended on a signal recorded on the tape rather than bits of silence. Had lots of clients bringing the 680's in complaining that the RAMM feature was broken, because it didn't do that great a job of distinguishing the difference between pauses in the music and pauses between cuts! Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx problems In a message dated 6/13/2007 10:52:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: While appearing at about the same time, the stability of the ZXL transport is a puzzling to me. However, because minor changes seems to be made to the pinch roller housing assembly - especially the design of the pinch roller housing and material used to make the plastic molding. These are my own observations of course. My course would be to add silicon oil due to dis-similar materials rubbing against each other. It also present the cam assembly with an easier job of lifting up the heads and pinch rollers while extending the longevity of the pivot points. I might be wrong about this, but I think the 680 was introduced after the ZXL's. The 680's version of RAMM is somewhat more advanced than the ZXL RAMM, which depended on a signal imbedded in the tape. Nakamichi solved the problem of "watermarking" with the 680 - distinguishing the silence between tracks from silent passages in the music. I'm sure the engineers had no idea what problems the grease and pivot would cause 25 years later, and we're just seeing an unintended consequence of some minor design detail. JW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's free at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 23:18:01 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: <26F9F5A4-D455-4472-85F7-8DAC8CE12719@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <855392.3596.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All classic Nakamichi trnsport has this frozen grease problem including Dragon/ 670/680/ZX9 . However this happens if you do not use the Deck for quite number of years. This is nothing to do with pinch rollar design. Somehow Nakamichi may not have realized this problem till probably early Ninety' s when people started using more of CD's than cassettes. By that time Nakamichi had switched to Snakyo transport which used no grease on the head assembly base or Pinch rollar assembly kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. My project 700zxl, which is, I believe, an early one, had this issue.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at windsupmv.com Thu Jun 14 00:20:46 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:20:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] arkive search Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070613181818.00c43bd8@pop.registeredsite.com> haow do you search the arkives with keyword. How are you all replying within a thread.. I only see the ability to send e-mail, or searh the arkives one moth at a time. Thanks. Geoff From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 14 00:31:45 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:31:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: > Finally, it encodes > the correct playback EQ as part of the info, > in case you decided to record it with a non-standard EQ (and you > don't have to mess up your deck's > settings just to play this tape, either. Forgot; it also encodes the NR type (none, internal Dolby-B, or external).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 14 01:55:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:55:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2007 2:02:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, willyherm at gmail.com writes: The 680's predated the ZXL's, not the reverse. Many of us in the repair business were thrilled to see a system which depended on a signal recorded on the tape rather than bits of silence. Had lots of clients bringing the 680's in complaining that the RAMM feature was broken, because it didn't do that great a job of distinguishing the difference between pauses in the music and pauses between cuts! Willy You ZXL guys have all the fun. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 14 02:00:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:00:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2007 1:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wheijke at xs4all.nl writes: Found the time to install a new stop light tonight and that fixed the sound problem (also changed the speed light), still have to do Tom's mod when i get the parts. There seems to be another problem, it kind of crackles the tape while playing so the transport must be misaligned, both capstans are running at least so no dried grease! Wouter Hmm, what's "Tom's mod"? I know he recommended changing the grounding screw and the orange caps in the bias oscillator circuits. What else? JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 14 00:30:56 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:30:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: <855392.3596.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan, I've had some Dragons in here were completely seized up, and others with no grease whatso ever. The Dragon was in production for a long time, so I suggest that the change may have been made after the 680ZX, before the ZX9, but in the middle of the LX3-ZX7-RX505-Dragon years. I wonder if the ZXL machines were "selected" in QC from older classic mechanisms that performed particularly well. It is obvious Nakamichi measured and checked their decks when finished, and with the plug-in deck mechanisms, QC could test wow and frequency response flatness...the worst performers might be LX5s, while the best were ZX9 and ZXLs. Remember, the ZX( was "selected". Possible?? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx problems All classic Nakamichi trnsport has this frozen grease problem including Dragon/ 670/680/ZX9 . However this happens if you do not use the Deck for quite number of years. This is nothing to do with pinch rollar design. Somehow Nakamichi may not have realized this problem till probably early Ninety' s when people started using more of CD's than cassettes. By that time Nakamichi had switched to Snakyo transport which used no grease on the head assembly base or Pinch rollar assembly kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. My project 700zxl, which is, I believe, an early one, had this issue.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynolds at geoff-reynolds.net Thu Jun 14 04:51:51 2007 From: greynolds at geoff-reynolds.net (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:51:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: <002501c7ae2e$f6cbaba0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> A reasonably astute buyer can decide if "mint" applies or not and bid accordingly, though the condition definitely doesn't seem to warrant the opening bid. Based on the seller's feedback, I'd be a lot more concerned about losing $1000 or more if I won the auction and sent payment. Additionally (wow - where to start): 1) The cost of shipping isn't specified and could turn out to be a big surprise for the winning bidder. 2) It's sold as-is - big red flag, especially for the $$$ that is being asked for the item. Also, if it's sold as-is with no refunds, what good is the statement "ALL FUNCTIONS GUARANTEED WORKING"? 3) "Will usually ship within 15 business days of receiving cleared payment." Yikes - hope the buyer isn't in a hurry. 4) No PayPal accepted - I wouldn't normally consider this a negative, but given everything else I would want whatever buyer protection I could get and PayPal at least gives a little bit of that. 5) The quality of the photos is poor, which makes it tough to really evaluate the condition. 6) My favorite: "Any negative feedback will result in negative feedback on buy" - a very professional approach and a very big negative in my book. If the seller has no intention of screwing the buyer and does what they're supposed to do, there should be no need to by so defensive up front. Negative feedback is only warranted in return if the buyer does something like not pay for the item. When I sell stuff, I almost always leave feedback once payment has been received trusting that the buyer will either be happy with the purchase OR I'll do the right thing if there's a problem and end up with a happy buyer anyway. In summary, I don't think I'd even bid $50 on this item. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: > I know that I said that you all should get a ZX-9 if you don't already have one, but I have a couple of issues with this auction.... > > ....For one thing, I think the word "mint" might be a slight overstatement. Look closely at the rear of the deck. To me, "mint" means MINT. And how about that low starting bid? Woo-hoo! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-in-box-Nakamichi-ZX-9-ZX9-The-Best_W0QQitemZ260128113780QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 05:50:04 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <461835.97089.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> JW, You made me post after a long time, because its the ZXL here you complimented. Yes the ZXL owners live in another plateau far above any other cassette deck, let alone any othe Nak. I wish upon all Nakamichi lovers here, that they all own one ( May be 2) 1000ZXLs sooner rather than later for sonic purity and revelation. Right Bala? Ben? Regards to all Nak Lovers here. Peace. Ram --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/13/2007 2:02:30 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > willyherm at gmail.com writes: > > The 680's predated the ZXL's, not the reverse. > Many of us in the repair > business were thrilled to see a system which > depended on a signal recorded on > the tape rather than bits of silence. Had lots of > clients bringing the 680's > in complaining that the RAMM feature was broken, > because it didn't do that > great a job of distinguishing the difference > between pauses in the music and > pauses between cuts! > > Willy > > > > You ZXL guys have all the fun. > JW > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 06:28:07 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <973101.92806.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a RX-505 made in 7-8-9 of 86 that had both pivots frozen solid. There's one data point. Scott Johnson hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Kannan, I've had some Dragons in here were completely seized up, and others with no grease whatso ever. The Dragon was in production for a long time, so I suggest that the change may have been made after the 680ZX, before the ZX9, but in the middle of the LX3-ZX7-RX505-Dragon years. I wonder if the ZXL machines were "selected" in QC from older classic mechanisms that performed particularly well. It is obvious Nakamichi measured and checked their decks when finished, and with the plug-in deck mechanisms, QC could test wow and frequency response flatness...the worst performers might be LX5s, while the best were ZX9 and ZXLs. Remember, the ZX( was "selected". Possible?? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670zx problems All classic Nakamichi trnsport has this frozen grease problem including Dragon/ 670/680/ZX9 . However this happens if you do not use the Deck for quite number of years. This is nothing to do with pinch rollar design. Somehow Nakamichi may not have realized this problem till probably early Ninety' s when people started using more of CD's than cassettes. By that time Nakamichi had switched to Snakyo transport which used no grease on the head assembly base or Pinch rollar assembly kannan "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The strange things is that while a number of decks share a common transport (with slightly different pinch roller assemblies), only the 670/680 family seems to have this problem. My project 700zxl, which is, I believe, an early one, had this issue.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 14 09:59:48 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:59:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: <973101.92806.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973101.92806.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22602.145.58.229.126.1181807988.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I have a frozen LX-3. Wouter > I have a RX-505 made in 7-8-9 of 86 that had both pivots frozen solid. > There's one data point. > > Scott Johnson > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 14 10:05:01 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] realign a de-greased deck? Message-ID: <5856.145.58.229.126.1181808301.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ok, So far I used the dismantle method to remove the frozen grease. The problem is that you have to realign tape travel afterwards (classic transport). I don't have the gauge to do this, so do the experts have any tricks to do this? Maybe a self made gauge? Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 14 10:25:53 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:25:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12489.145.58.229.126.1181809553.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> See his reply to my inital post... but as far as I understand it is placing a resistor to prevent the deck from going into mute when the stop light breaks... Wouter > > In a message dated 6/13/2007 1:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > wheijke at xs4all.nl writes: > > Found the time to install a new stop light tonight and that fixed the > sound problem (also changed the speed light), still have to do Tom's mod > when i get the parts. > There seems to be another problem, it kind of crackles the tape while > playing so the transport must be misaligned, both capstans are running > at least so no dried grease! > Wouter > > > > Hmm, what's "Tom's mod"? > I know he recommended changing the grounding screw and the orange caps in > the bias oscillator circuits. > What else? > JW > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 14 14:48:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:48:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] realign a de-greased deck? In-Reply-To: <5856.145.58.229.126.1181808301.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter, This is the reason the NakGauge project exists. The #1 priority gauge is the guide height 3 head gauge. I have to get off my keister and write up descriptions and purpose for the gauges on LP's site. For any of our regular Talkers who would like to see the gauge pictures visit LP's web site. Sorry I don't have the URL handy. Would someone paste the link please? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] realign a de-greased deck? Ok, So far I used the dismantle method to remove the frozen grease. The problem is that you have to realign tape travel afterwards (classic transport). I don't have the gauge to do this, so do the experts have any tricks to do this? Maybe a self made gauge? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 14 14:42:48 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:42:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx problems In-Reply-To: <22602.145.58.229.126.1181807988.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter, You are lucky! Can you find the date code numbers? Yours is the first LX3 I heard of with frozen guides. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:00 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 670zx problems I have a frozen LX-3. Wouter > I have a RX-505 made in 7-8-9 of 86 that had both pivots frozen solid. > There's one data point. > > Scott Johnson > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 14 16:16:53 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:16:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] realign a de-greased deck? In-Reply-To: <5856.145.58.229.126.1181808301.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <5856.145.58.229.126.1181808301.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <46714DD5.4080506@xs4all.nl> I'll Post this reply for Henk Schenk: * Question:* Repairing gummed up pinch roller pivots (in the classic transport) can be done with WD40 if the assemblies are not completely frozen yet. Otherwise the repair requires dismantling the pivots to remove the frozen grease. The problem then is to realign tape travel afterwards. Without the gauge to do this, how can this be done? Maybe a self made gauge? *Answer:* I've done this and alas have no gauges at my disposal. I'll treat the left and right pivot alignment separately. The first step is to visually align the pivot height using a second classic transport as a reference. The rest is a bit tricky and requires some finesse. *LEFT PIVOT only:* The left pivot runs the tape guide and pinch roller close to the erase head. The adjustment of this pivot results in changes while recording. The trick here starts with recording a well defined mono test-tone on a cassette with solid casing (well regarded brands) on a known to be very well aligned reference cassette deck (preferably Nakamichi ;-) Record 20 minutes at minimum of this at the center of the tape (about the same amount of tape at the take-up side as the supply side) Put the tape into the deck to be aligned and playback the test signal is playing back at both channels with equal signal strength. Adjust the pivot to see any change in signal, to get a feeling for the influence of this alignment, if you wish. Return to the original alignment and return the tape to the start of the test signal. The alignment can now be done on the basis of erasure of the test tone. If the pivot is misaligned it will guide the tape skewed along the erase head and possibly to a lesser extend the rec/pb heads. If the tape skews is will not be erased fully in both channels, but some of the test tone will prevail in one of the two channels. So start recording 'nothing' and listen to the resulting signal off tape. Three head decks are immediately returning the off tape signal and are easily adjusted. Adjust so that both channels are silent. Adjust to the center position between 'faint sound left' versus 'faint sound right'. The two-heads will require extensive repeats of recording and play back alternatively. *RIGHT PIVOT only:* The right pivot runs the tape guide and pinch roller close to the PB head. The adjustment of this pivot results in phase and channel output differences in the played back signal. Let's assume the play back head is correctly adjusted for now. Firstly: Gross misaligned right hand pivots can result in cross talk in the right channel. If this is the case, make a one-sided recording on a reference deck and play back the silent side on the repaired deck. Adjust the right hand pivot until the right channel is completely silent. This is a first step, not always required. Secondly: Record a 15 to 20 kHz test tone on a cassette with solid casing (well regarded brands) on a known to be very well aligned reference cassette deck (must be Nakamichi :-) OUT OF PHASE between right and left channel. Playback this tape on the repaired deck and sum left and right channels (switch to mono). The result should be silence. Adjust the pivot to minimize the output. Switch back to stereo and adjust the pivot to maximize the individual channels outputs. If both adjustments result in the same pivot alignment setting you're done. If not, re-iterate to get a compromise and try to mix in the azimuth adjustment of the PB head. DO NOT adjust the PB head height, because this is the last fixed point which is needed as a reference. Alternative: If no OUT OF PHASE signal is available, there are two alternatives. ONE: Record a mono signal onto the reference cassette IN PHASE. Play back on the repaired deck in the 610 preamp and switch one of the inputs out of phase on the 610. The beauty has facilities to do this. SECOND: Record the in phase signals and adjust for maximum output only. As stated earlier the alignment should be identical when optimizing for output as well as maximum cancellation of the out-of-phase signal. *For BOTH PIVOTS:* If both pivots have been locked the problem is compounded some what. One could try and repair the left pivot only and get the deck running (in non closed loop mode!). Then adjust the left hand pivot to it's correct position. Then treat the right hand pivot. Alternatively repair both pivots together and visually adjust the pivot heights as good as you can to get a valid starting point. Adjust starting at the left hand pivot and repeat a few times. Keep listening to well adjusted Naks Henk Schenk Wouter Heijke wrote: > Ok, So far I used the dismantle method to remove the frozen grease. > The problem is that you have to realign tape travel afterwards (classic > transport). > I don't have the gauge to do this, so do the experts have any tricks to do > this? Maybe a self made gauge? > > Wouter > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 16:43:29 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] realign a de-greased deck? In-Reply-To: <46714DD5.4080506@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <575038.73250.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter the secret behind alignment lies with the cassette. Use an old good casstte ( I use brand new TDK D -available for less than 1 $ for this purpose). Remove one half cassette cover exposing the tape wth all guides intact. Place this on the classic Nak transport for adjusting the guides correctly. Prefrable method is using scotch tape to hold the spool reels/ tape from coming off the cassette base part ( this is very important as you should be able to see the tape and it should be held in place. Now this is your gauge ! Completely remove the transport out of your deck casing ( which needs good undertsnading of Nak - as well as noting which connector goes where). Doing this without removing the transport is very difficult. Remove the Cassette Door frame ( require some knowledge of the clasic transport disassembly procedure) or you can do without removing but require opening the door to access guide block screws for adjustment. The cassette gauge can now be placed exactly where it would sit- move the head base with pinch rollar by rotating the white plastic gear at the back . Now you can clearly see both the guides against the casstte tape - tape is your gauge now which is delicate. Adjust the guide block position by moving the screws to make the tape sit in correctly. If the guide is not in correct height - it will pinch the tape. Needs few times of trial to correctly judge the position. There is a small clearance available on the guide so alignment will be allright with this method. Bit combursome to do wthout the Nak gauge but possible - I have done this few time successfully! requires patience and good amount your time ! Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: I'll Post this reply for Henk Schenk: Question: Repairing gummed up pinch roller pivots (in the classic transport) can be done with WD40 if the assemblies are not completely frozen yet. Otherwise the repair requires dismantling the pivots to remove the frozen grease. The problem then is to realign tape travel afterwards. Without the gauge to do this, how can this be done? Maybe a self made gauge? Answer: I've done this and alas have no gauges at my disposal. I'll treat the left and right pivot alignment separately. The first step is to visually align the pivot height using a second classic transport as a reference. The rest is a bit tricky and requires some finesse. LEFT PIVOT only: The left pivot runs the tape guide and pinch roller close to the erase head. The adjustment of this pivot results in changes while recording. The trick here starts with recording a well defined mono test-tone on a cassette with solid casing (well regarded brands) on a known to be very well aligned reference cassette deck (preferably Nakamichi ;-) Record 20 minutes at minimum of this at the center of the tape (about the same amount of tape at the take-up side as the supply side) Put the tape into the deck to be aligned and playback the test signal is playing back at both channels with equal signal strength. Adjust the pivot to see any change in signal, to get a feeling for the influence of this alignment, if you wish. Return to the original alignment and return the tape to the start of the test signal. The alignment can now be done on the basis of erasure of the test tone. If the pivot is misaligned it will guide the tape skewed along the erase head and possibly to a lesser extend the rec/pb heads. If the tape skews is will not be erased fully in both channels, but some of the test tone will prevail in one of the two channels. So start recording 'nothing' and listen to the resulting signal off tape. Three head decks are immediately returning the off tape signal and are easily adjusted. Adjust so that both channels are silent. Adjust to the center position between 'faint sound left' versus 'faint sound right'. The two-heads will require extensive repeats of recording and play back alternatively. RIGHT PIVOT only: The right pivot runs the tape guide and pinch roller close to the PB head. The adjustment of this pivot results in phase and channel output differences in the played back signal. Let's assume the play back head is correctly adjusted for now. Firstly: Gross misaligned right hand pivots can result in cross talk in the right channel. If this is the case, make a one-sided recording on a reference deck and play back the silent side on the repaired deck. Adjust the right hand pivot until the right channel is completely silent. This is a first step, not always required. Secondly: Record a 15 to 20 kHz test tone on a cassette with solid casing (well regarded brands) on a known to be very well aligned reference cassette deck (must be Nakamichi :-) OUT OF PHASE between right and left channel. Playback this tape on the repaired deck and sum left and right channels (switch to mono). The result should be silence. Adjust the pivot to minimize the output. Switch back to stereo and adjust the pivot to maximize the individual channels outputs. If both adjustments result in the same pivot alignment setting you’re done. If not, re-iterate to get a compromise and try to mix in the azimuth adjustment of the PB head. DO NOT adjust the PB head height, because this is the last fixed point which is needed as a reference. Alternative: If no OUT OF PHASE signal is available, there are two alternatives. ONE: Record a mono signal onto the reference cassette IN PHASE. Play back on the repaired deck in the 610 preamp and switch one of the inputs out of phase on the 610. The beauty has facilities to do this. SECOND: Record the in phase signals and adjust for maximum output only. As stated earlier the alignment should be identical when optimizing for output as well as maximum cancellation of the out-of-phase signal. For BOTH PIVOTS: If both pivots have been locked the problem is compounded some what. One could try and repair the left pivot only and get the deck running (in non closed loop mode!). Then adjust the left hand pivot to it’s correct position. Then treat the right hand pivot. Alternatively repair both pivots together and visually adjust the pivot heights as good as you can to get a valid starting point. Adjust starting at the left hand pivot and repeat a few times. Keep listening to well adjusted Naks Henk Schenk Wouter Heijke wrote: Ok, So far I used the dismantle method to remove the frozen grease. The problem is that you have to realign tape travel afterwards (classic transport). I don't have the gauge to do this, so do the experts have any tricks to do this? Maybe a self made gauge? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 17:26:04 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound In-Reply-To: <12489.145.58.229.126.1181809553.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <152124.19922.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, Nakamichi has a service information sheet, NR-0039 on this subject. It shows how to avoid the mute on burnt out bulb problem on 580 series, 680 series and 700ZXE (SN < A119-02667) I will send it to you and then post on my FAQ page for everyone else. SJ Wouter Heijke wrote: See his reply to my inital post... but as far as I understand it is placing a resistor to prevent the deck from going into mute when the stop light breaks... Wouter > > In a message dated 6/13/2007 1:08:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > wheijke at xs4all.nl writes: > > Found the time to install a new stop light tonight and that fixed the > sound problem (also changed the speed light), still have to do Tom's mod > when i get the parts. > There seems to be another problem, it kind of crackles the tape while > playing so the transport must be misaligned, both capstans are running > at least so no dried grease! > Wouter > > > > Hmm, what's "Tom's mod"? > I know he recommended changing the grounding screw and the orange caps in > the bias oscillator circuits. > What else? > JW > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? 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Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed. (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested). The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third! Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come. It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain. All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering. Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on. Best Regards, Ben (Fortunate to have a ZXL) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Thu Jun 14 19:44:48 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (kmashlan) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:44:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01c7aeab$b4af3390$6601a8c0@rbdell2> I would be keen on a capacitor kit. Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: June 14, 2007 9:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) RAMM, I'm not sure about living in another plateau, (Apart from having too much gear I nearly have to walk on it! In actual fact I have just sold loads of gear so the remaining stuff fits in one room), but the ZXL is in a league of its own with regard to the elevation in technological achievement that was employed at the time. RAMM, ABLE and Memorising tape settings bieng the principle technical advances but also having pitch control and microphone input capability which can be advantageous. Compatability with the RM580 wireless infrared remote control also brings it up to date. Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed. (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested). The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third! Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come. It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain. All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering. Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on. Best Regards, Ben (Fortunate to have a ZXL) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Jun 14 19:50:36 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:50:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NakGauge project pictures Message-ID: <6839b2c0706141050g727e3b11k29cd3633a5e910f0@mail.gmail.com> Tom, The link to the NakGauge project pictures: http://peromarta.org/gauges and to Luis' Nak site http://www.peromarta.org/naks/ Per From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Jun 14 20:49:32 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:49:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Message-ID: Ken, I'll contact you off line. (BTW, 680 cap kits are also available) Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Jun 14 20:39:31 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:39:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NakGauge project mailinglist Message-ID: <6839b2c0706141139j4ff86741wcfc1df5c22f2ae06@mail.gmail.com> Talking about the NakGauge project.......Here is what Wouter wrote, February 14, 2007 I've created a special mailinglist for the gauges project http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/nakgauges Please subscribe there if you want to contribute or just want to know what's going on. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 20:23:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <970409.11493.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape deck). Period. Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! I only widh I was half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I shall be happy with one for now as like you I have a room full of tape decks, the latest member being a Teac Z-7000. Ram Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM, I'm not sure about living in another plateau, (Apart from having too much gear I nearly have to walk on it! In actual fact I have just sold loads of gear so the remaining stuff fits in one room), but the ZXL is in a league of its own with regard to the elevation in technological achievement that was employed at the time. RAMM, ABLE and Memorising tape settings bieng the principle technical advances but also having pitch control and microphone input capability which can be advantageous. Compatability with the RM580 wireless infrared remote control also brings it up to date. Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed. (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested). The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third! Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come. It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain. All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering. Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on. Best Regards, Ben (Fortunate to have a ZXL) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 14 23:55:08 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaners with silicone in them Message-ID: <433C4ABB-6371-458A-95C5-069B862E39E1@alumni.caltech.edu> OK, here's one I haven't seen addressed. A while ago I picked up some tape (mixture of Quantegy & Maxell XLII) on ebay, and as a bonus there were varioius cleaning gadgets, chemicals, and a demagneizer. I know demagnetizers and the various cleaning gadgets, as well as rubber reconditioner &/or cleaner have been discussed, but I've never noticed head cleaner with silicone "head lubricant" in it before. What do the experts say? My feeling is it's unnecessary extra gunk to come off on your precious tapes, but that's more based on gut feeling than anything else (well, maybe prior bad experience with "Sound Guard" that was supposed to kind of help in a similar way with vinyl back in the day).-kby From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 15 00:28:30 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:28:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: <002501c7ae2e$f6cbaba0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: Agree 100% - I'd not touch this with a barge pole. And why risk it anyway? There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: 14 June 2007 03:52 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... A reasonably astute buyer can decide if "mint" applies or not and bid accordingly, though the condition definitely doesn't seem to warrant the opening bid. Based on the seller's feedback, I'd be a lot more concerned about losing $1000 or more if I won the auction and sent payment. Additionally (wow - where to start): 1) The cost of shipping isn't specified and could turn out to be a big surprise for the winning bidder. 2) It's sold as-is - big red flag, especially for the $$$ that is being asked for the item. Also, if it's sold as-is with no refunds, what good is the statement "ALL FUNCTIONS GUARANTEED WORKING"? 3) "Will usually ship within 15 business days of receiving cleared payment." Yikes - hope the buyer isn't in a hurry. 4) No PayPal accepted - I wouldn't normally consider this a negative, but given everything else I would want whatever buyer protection I could get and PayPal at least gives a little bit of that. 5) The quality of the photos is poor, which makes it tough to really evaluate the condition. 6) My favorite: "Any negative feedback will result in negative feedback on buy" - a very professional approach and a very big negative in my book. If the seller has no intention of screwing the buyer and does what they're supposed to do, there should be no need to by so defensive up front. Negative feedback is only warranted in return if the buyer does something like not pay for the item. When I sell stuff, I almost always leave feedback once payment has been received trusting that the buyer will either be happy with the purchase OR I'll do the right thing if there's a problem and end up with a happy buyer anyway. In summary, I don't think I'd even bid $50 on this item. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: > I know that I said that you all should get a ZX-9 if you don't already have one, but I have a couple of issues with this auction.... > > ....For one thing, I think the word "mint" might be a slight overstatement. Look closely at the rear of the deck. To me, "mint" means MINT. And how about that low starting bid? Woo-hoo! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-in-box-Nakamichi-ZX-9-ZX9-The-Best_W0QQitemZ2601281 13780QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 15 01:45:33 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:45:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: <41223F5E-BAEC-47B7-A9B3-23EBDB7AE732@alumni.caltech.edu> > There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a > much > lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/ like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 15 07:31:23 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:31:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Message-ID: <9883CCAD-5ED2-465E-9019-B25D4311AA96@alumni.caltech.edu> > Ben, > > Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape deck). Period. > > Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! I only widh I was > half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I shall be happy with > one for now as like you I have a room full of tape decks, the > latest member being a Teac Z-7000. > > Ram > Well, "John", I see you couldn't resistr just one more... looks like a pretty good deal if it's as it says. the extra goodies make it so.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 07:19:20 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:19:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Message-ID: Dear Ram & Ben, Sorry I wrote long time ago...that during 1984 I had the rare opportunity to compare side by side among the 1000ZXl & a new Dragon...yes; then I wrote that in terms of "Realistic" sound...1000ZXL remain "ALONE"... in terms of how good & fullest body emits from such "Amazing" beast machine...the Dragon (Not mine gifted one!), sounds more "Sterile"...nuts when you don't compare amongst both machines...believe/trust me anybody can live extremely happy with a Dragon...today ALL of us known how "UN-RELIABLE" is the beast 1000ZXL deck...which really is pity! Peace,ALEX! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:23:50 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems)To: naktalk at naks.comBen,Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape deck). Period.Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! I only widh I was half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I shall be happy with one for now as like you I have a room full of tape decks, the latest member being a Teac Z-7000.RamRamBenstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM, I'm not sure about living in another plateau, (Apart from having too much gear I nearly have to walk on it! In actual fact I have just sold loads of gear so the remaining stuff fits in one room), but the ZXL is in a league of its own with regard to the elevation in technological achievement that was employed at the time. RAMM, ABLE and Memorising tape settings bieng the principle technical advances but also having pitch control and microphone input capability which can be advantageous. Compatability with the RM580 wireless infrared remote control also brings it up to date. Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed. (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested). The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third! Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come. It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain. All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering. Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 03:00:23 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers Message-ID: <061520070100.11216.4671E4A70005C72800002BD022165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Wouter Heijke wrote: Actually i'm looking in my BX-300 service manual and see the Input Amp pcb figure printed (page 17), below the image you can read 'Serial No.: A12702001 -' which would mean it was there from the first BX-300 on. Wouter: My 1984 BX-300's serial number is A1270012xx, which I would think is earlier than the number A12702001 mentioned under the Input Amp PCB diagram on page 17 of the service manual. But Kannan seems to be correct...this input amp circuit does seem to have been originally part of the "Buffer" circuit on the main PCB. Take a look at the Main PCB diagram on page 21. IC304 is clearly visible at the top center of the PCB on page 21 (Serial Nos. A12701001-02000), but has been removed from the Main PCB shown on page 19 (Serial Nos. A12702001-onwards). It goes without saying that my 1984 BX-300's Main PCB is the same as the one shown on page 21. The Input Amp PCB on page 17 (Serial No. A12702001-onwards) lists the same IC304 chip. I think I might have figured out why this particular chip was later moved to its own PCB. On the 1984 BX-300, IC304 sits directly underneath the control motor. There is a piece of reflective pasteboard attached just above the Main PCB at this location, apparently to shield IC304 from whatever magnetic and/or radio interference the control motor might be giving off when it is operating. Obviously, this must not have been satisfactory enough for Nakamichi engineers, who then decided to remove IC304 entirely from the Main PCB and move it to a more remote location where it wouldn't be so directly exposed to whatever the control motor (or something close to the control motor) might be emitting. That's my theory anyhow. Does this sound crazy? *andy* From benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 15 09:05:39 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:05:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C97D32B6E66E53-14A4-29EA@WEBMAIL-RB20.sysops.aol.com> Hi Alex, I would absolutely agree that the DRAGON is a fantastic machine, very smooth and sophisticated that anyone would be happy with but as you say, the sound is different to the ZXL and the look of the ZXL appeals more to me. Perhaps I have been lucky so far, but the ZXL has been utterly reliable since it has come back to life.  Just two transistors and 3 lamps were required as well as the PP caps replacement.  Also, having limited experience of Naks, I guess I must have missed the period when all ZXL's reached the age where mass failure was possibly happening.  But, although seemingly complicated, it is easy to work on, there are some extremely patient contributors on this forum to help, and so far I have not come accross any parts availability issues.  I'm now hooked on them as you can tell!  Any parts that I see available are being collected up and my knowledge of the workings grows.  A great hobby. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 6.19am Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Dear Ram & Ben,   Sorry I wrote long time ago...that during 1984 I had the rare opportunity to compare side by side among the 1000ZXl & a new Dragon...yes; then I wrote that in terms of "Realistic" sound...1000ZXL remain "ALONE"... in terms of how good & fullest body emits from such "Amazing" beast machine...the Dragon (Not mine gifted one!), sounds more "Sterile"...nuts when you don't compare amongst both machines...believe/trust me anybody can live extremely happy with a Dragon...today ALL of us known how "UN-RELIABLE" is the beast 1000ZXL deck...which really is pity!   Peace, ALEX! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:23:50 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) To: naktalk at naks.com Ben, Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape deck). Period. Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! I only widh I was half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I shall be happy with one for now as like you I have a room full of tape decks, the latest member being a Teac Z-7000. Ram Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM, I'm not sure about living in another plateau, (Apart from having too much gear I nearly have to walk on it!  In actual fact I have just sold loads of gear so the remaining stuff fits in one room), but the ZXL is in a league of its own with regard to the elevation in technological achievement that was employed at the time.  RAMM, ABLE and Memorising tape settings bieng the principle technical advances but also having pitch control and microphone input capability which can be advantageous.  Compatability with the RM580 wireless infrared remote control also brings it up to date. Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed.  (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested).  The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third!  Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come.  It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain.  All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering.  Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on.  Best Regards, Ben (Fortunate to have a ZXL)     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 6.19am Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Dear Ram & Ben,   Sorry I wrote long time ago...that during 1984 I had the rare opportunity to compare side by side among the 1000ZXl & a new Dragon...yes; then I wrote that in terms of "Realistic" sound...1000ZXL remain "ALONE"... in terms of how good & fullest body emits from such "Amazing" beast machine...the Dragon (Not mine gifted one!), sounds more "Sterile"...nuts when you don't compare amongst both machines...believe/trust me anybody can live extremely happy with a Dragon...today ALL of us known how "UN-RELIABLE" is the beast 1000ZXL deck...which really is pity!   Peace, ALEX! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:23:50 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) To: naktalk at naks.com Ben, Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape deck). Period. Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! I only widh I was half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I shall be happy with one for now as like you I have a room full of tape decks, the latest member being a Teac Z-7000. Ram Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM, I'm not sure about living in another plateau, (Apart from having too much gear I nearly have to walk on it!  In actual fact I have just sold loads of gear so the remaining stuff fits in one room), but the ZXL is in a league of its own with regard to the elevation in technological achievement that was employed at the time.  RAMM, ABLE and Memorising tape settings bieng the principle technical advances but also having pitch control and microphone input capability which can be advantageous.  Compatability with the RM580 wireless infrared remote control also brings it up to date. Sonically it is very satisfying and to my surprise so far (at odds with its reputation) it has been utterly reliable now the caps have all been changed.  (Soon I'll be able to offer capacitor kits should anyone else be interested).  The second deck is in the pipeline and I have my eye on a third!  Parts collection is underway to keep these beasts fed for a while to come.  It's that good, I have to make myself use the other decks to prevent them seizing up. I would also like to convey the superb build quality and layout that is employed which is designed to be easy to access and maintain.  All connectors are labelled and numbered and are difficult to plug into the wrong place which is good engineering.  Very satisfying from that viewpoint to work on.  Best Regards, Ben (Fortunate to have a ZXL)     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Jun 15 10:52:12 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:52:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) References: Message-ID: <003601c7af2a$77c16a00$0201a8c0@home> Hi Ben Am also interested in your cap kits, have a 680 and a 1000ZXL that may will need doing eventually! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Ken, I'll contact you off line. (BTW, 680 cap kits are also available) Best Regards, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 13/06/07 12:50 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 11:43:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) In-Reply-To: <9883CCAD-5ED2-465E-9019-B25D4311AA96@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20070615094330.26113.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Yes I have JOHN and am picking up today. In fact I placed a bid just for the heck of it and found to my utter surprise this had no other bids unlike the previous ones with numerous bids! Of course the seller never tested this one at all. He bought this one at an estate sale! Shall post on receipt. if it works I am lucky, if it doesnt I am sure you folks would be of great help. Now I need to unload my other lesser Naks! Need the room. Ram --- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > Ben, > > > > Aptly put. Its the best cassette deck( may be tape > deck). Period. > > > > Nothing else, even the Dragon doesn't come close! > I only widh I was > > half as good as you in fixing these beasts. I > shall be happy with > > one for now as like you I have a room full of tape > decks, the > > latest member being a Teac Z-7000. > > > > Ram > > > > Well, "John", I see you couldn't resistr just one > more... > looks like a pretty good deal if it's as it says. > the extra goodies > make it so.-kby> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 16:59:34 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:59:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? Message-ID: <518b7b10706150759s516f5f58m1e6128169b2d318d@mail.gmail.com> What on earth is this abomination ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AAA-NAKAMICHI-WALL-MOUNTED-FREE-STANDING-STEREO_W0QQitemZ110138995073QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 15 17:22:41 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:22:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: <061520070100.11216.4671E4A70005C72800002BD022165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: That does sound correct. A major board rework has to have a good reason. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers Wouter Heijke wrote: Actually i'm looking in my BX-300 service manual and see the Input Amp pcb figure printed (page 17), below the image you can read 'Serial No.: A12702001 -' which would mean it was there from the first BX-300 on. Wouter: My 1984 BX-300's serial number is A1270012xx, which I would think is earlier than the number A12702001 mentioned under the Input Amp PCB diagram on page 17 of the service manual. But Kannan seems to be correct...this input amp circuit does seem to have been originally part of the "Buffer" circuit on the main PCB. Take a look at the Main PCB diagram on page 21. IC304 is clearly visible at the top center of the PCB on page 21 (Serial Nos. A12701001-02000), but has been removed from the Main PCB shown on page 19 (Serial Nos. A12702001-onwards). It goes without saying that my 1984 BX-300's Main PCB is the same as the one shown on page 21. The Input Amp PCB on page 17 (Serial No. A12702001-onwards) lists the same IC304 chip. I think I might have figured out why this particular chip was later moved to its own PCB. On the 1984 BX-300, IC304 sits directly underneath the control motor. There is a piece of reflective pasteboard attached just above the Main PCB at this location, apparently to shield IC304 from whatever magnetic and/or radio interference the control motor might be giving off when it is operating. Obviously, this must not have been satisfactory enough for Nakamichi engineers, who then decided to remove IC304 entirely from the Main PCB and move it to a more remote location where it wouldn't be so directly exposed to whatever the control motor (or something close to the control motor) might be emitting. That's my theory anyhow. Does this sound crazy? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 17:21:13 2007 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:21:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706150759s516f5f58m1e6128169b2d318d@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10706150759s516f5f58m1e6128169b2d318d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4672af4c.04eb300a.2298.ffffa132@mx.google.com> It's one of the "space" systems. The pics don't show it too clearly but I'm guessing: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Sound-Space-5-System-CD-player-Hi-Fi-system_W0 QQitemZ220122113077QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14975QQcmdZViewItem -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: sexta-feira, 15 de Junho de 2007 16:00 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? What on earth is this abomination ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AAA-NAKAMICHI-WALL-MOUNTED-FREE-STANDING-STEREO_W0QQit emZ110138995073QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 17:22:56 2007 From: ricardo.c.cruz at gmail.com (Ricardo Cruz) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:22:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706150759s516f5f58m1e6128169b2d318d@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10706150759s516f5f58m1e6128169b2d318d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4672afb4.04e9300a.0c2f.57fa@mx.google.com> And: http://www.nakamichi.com/pdf/SS5_brochure.pdf it probably suck but looks nice -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: sexta-feira, 15 de Junho de 2007 16:00 To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? What on earth is this abomination ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AAA-NAKAMICHI-WALL-MOUNTED-FREE-STANDING-STEREO_W0QQit emZ110138995073QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 15 17:31:55 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:31:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) In-Reply-To: <003601c7af2a$77c16a00$0201a8c0@home> Message-ID: I now offer cap changes for US customers. I have learned so much this year from our members. I was of the opinion that orange cap failures were rare, however I have come to understand the value of prevention, that repairs ought to last a long time. For anyone with a deck presently in for service, please e mail me if you would like the capacitors changed. I will only change bias oscillator caps for those electing to remain stock. I have no clue what to charge, but I will try and offer an estimate before proceeding. On another note. I see no reason why a ZXL should be less reliable than another deck. What is significantly different is there are fewer technicians with experience to service this deck. The more often I see a particular deck, the better I am at correcting familiar problems. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of TERRY FINN Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Hi Ben Am also interested in your cap kits, have a 680 and a 1000ZXL that may will need doing eventually! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL (Was 670zx Problems) Ken, I'll contact you off line. (BTW, 680 cap kits are also available) Best Regards, Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 13/06/07 12:50 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 15 16:53:59 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:53:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: <41223F5E-BAEC-47B7-A9B3-23EBDB7AE732@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Speaking of never seen again, I wish Ram all the best as he picks up his ZXL Limited this morning! This was the second US auction of this year. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 15 18:18:27 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:18:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak wall mounted CD system ? Message-ID: LOLs George!! Loose the 'Nak' ; Keep the wall. MH >>> george.valkov at gmail.com 6/15/2007 4:59 PM >>> What on earth is this abomination ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AAA-NAKAMICHI-WALL-MOUNTED-FREE-STANDING-STEREO_W0QQitemZ110138995073QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 15 20:24:37 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:24:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... Message-ID: <4672D965.40806@xs4all.nl> Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection of his new parts.. NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 total: $492.50 Wouter From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 15 20:36:58 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:36:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... Message-ID: <64A56DF6-ACFD-45C2-B556-BB0612E4FD87@alumni.caltech.edu> > Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a > selection of his new parts.. > > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 > NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 > > total: $492.50 > > Wouter If it was my gold deck being repaired, I might be willing to pay that. for the motors & idler., or at least the capstan motor (the control motor being presumably less critical in terms of tolerances) The reel hubs, probably not as they can be scrounged from a lesser deck (the gold part is just an aluminum stick-on). They're not cheap enough that I'm willing to buy them and sit on them as used parts could be ued in a pinch (it just would be nice to have new ones). The gauge, following Tom (and other's) advice I didn't think was worth it. If it was a more critical and less easily worked around one, e.g., the tilt gauge, I'd be willing to pay more.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 15 21:03:59 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:03:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: <64A56DF6-ACFD-45C2-B556-BB0612E4FD87@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <64A56DF6-ACFD-45C2-B556-BB0612E4FD87@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4672E29F.8080404@xs4all.nl> Then, I decided to have a stock of 3 LX-3's, much cheaper ($20 each), same transport parts (as far as I know), in case on of my higher class decks needs them (1000zxl, 700zxe, zx7/9 or 680 series). Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a >> selection of his new parts.. >> >> NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 >> NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 >> NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 >> NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 >> NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 >> >> total: $492.50 >> >> Wouter > > If it was my gold deck being repaired, I might be willing to pay that. > for the motors & idler., or at least > the capstan motor (the control motor being presumably less critical in > terms of tolerances) The reel hubs, probably > not as they can be scrounged from a lesser deck (the gold part is just > an aluminum stick-on). They're not > cheap enough that I'm willing to buy them and sit on them as used > parts could be ued in a pinch (it just would > be nice to have new ones). > > The gauge, following Tom (and other's) advice I didn't think was worth > it. If it was a more critical and less easily > worked around one, e.g., the tilt gauge, I'd be willing to pay more.-kby From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 20:45:27 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9917.45038.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom and other fellow well wisherss, esp Bala, Saw, drooled, tested, worked perfectly, looked pristine and picked up the fabled ZXL limited about 2 hours ago. Pristine is the word I shall use here. no blemish, only wipeable finger prints and the Gold looks ......well golden. Thanks Tom for the encouragement in bidding and the testing phase. it really quelled some worries off my mind. My cassette deck quest is satisfied and I am DONE! This unit has never been opened and came with original freq response graph and original manual and the NR 100 and the original Plexi glass cover that perhaps was sparingly used. It calibrated within 20 seconds anything you threw at it.Ma-R to D. Source/tape worked and it played and recorded flawlessly for 10 minutes that I tested it. sounded exactly like a ZXL should. What happens down the line, I know not but this unit will be a great decorative piece in my family( listening) room and will hopefully sound there like it did on the Sennheisers 2 hours ago! I shall keep naktalk posted on ongoing developments for sure. For now, I have planned a listening and recording weekend, beginning with my son on the piano! Have a great weekend folks! Ram hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Speaking of never seen again, I wish Ram all the best as he picks up his ZXL Limited this morning! This was the second US auction of this year. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 20:48:42 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239983.54819.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One more thing Nak lovers. The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak lovers get a deal like that ever? Ram hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Speaking of never seen again, I wish Ram all the best as he picks up his ZXL Limited this morning! This was the second US auction of this year. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 15 21:07:21 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:07:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: <64A56DF6-ACFD-45C2-B556-BB0612E4FD87@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: I've just made a down payment on that BMW, now that I know what my parts are really worth! :0 If anyone wants to have a good time, I have the Nakamichi 1991 parts price book available for scanning. CA8118 capstan motor w/pulley cost $25.23, but in 2007, $152.50. I have new 700/II/1000/II pinch rollers if anyone is interested. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection of his new parts.. NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 total: $492.50 Wouter If it was my gold deck being repaired, I might be willing to pay that. for the motors & idler., or at least the capstan motor (the control motor being presumably less critical in terms of tolerances) The reel hubs, probably not as they can be scrounged from a lesser deck (the gold part is just an aluminum stick-on). They're not cheap enough that I'm willing to buy them and sit on them as used parts could be ued in a pinch (it just would be nice to have new ones). The gauge, following Tom (and other's) advice I didn't think was worth it. If it was a more critical and less easily worked around one, e.g., the tilt gauge, I'd be willing to pay more.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 15 21:42:26 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:42:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4672EBA2.2010903@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, By Kimo request, Changed the vintagecassette.com search a bit and added some options for searching some important features like auto calibration...looks a bit crude but... Also notice relevance sorting is somewhat confused, so the most relevant decks may be at the end of the list. Hope you'll all like it, Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Hey Wouter, > > How hard would it be to make the database searchable by feature? This > kind of question > could then be more easily answered, especially by those of us that > aren't intimately familar > with every deck (or even every home deck) Nak made? > > I can generalize this one to a point, such as "the 3-head decks prior > to 1978 all have > manual record azimuth", "the dragon (& it's automobile counterparts) > are the only decks > with auto-playback azimuth", and the "zxl decks have auto record > azimuth" but it > starts to get murky after that for me.-kby From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jun 15 21:46:53 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:46:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: <239983.54819.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <239983.54819.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4672ECAD.1060700@xs4all.nl> What was the auction number Ram? I'm curious to see it's pictures. Wouter shanti ramachandran wrote: > One more thing Nak lovers. > > The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. > Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make > a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt > a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak > lovers get a deal like that ever? > > Ram > > *//* From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 15 23:42:16 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:42:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: RAMM, We gotta see some picture my friend! good luck, I hope it is as expected. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 00:11:14 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <506410.66100.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd like to get a copy of that. I have the 1987 parts price book. I tried scanning it, but, it's a copy of a copy and you can't tell the difference between some of the characters. *8's look like B's, etc. SJ hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I've just made a down payment on that BMW, now that I know what my parts are really worth! :0 If anyone wants to have a good time, I have the Nakamichi 1991 parts price book available for scanning. CA8118 capstan motor w/pulley cost $25.23, but in 2007, $152.50. I have new 700/II/1000/II pinch rollers if anyone is interested. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection of his new parts.. NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 total: $492.50 Wouter If it was my gold deck being repaired, I might be willing to pay that. for the motors & idler., or at least the capstan motor (the control motor being presumably less critical in terms of tolerances) The reel hubs, probably not as they can be scrounged from a lesser deck (the gold part is just an aluminum stick-on). They're not cheap enough that I'm willing to buy them and sit on them as used parts could be ued in a pinch (it just would be nice to have new ones). The gauge, following Tom (and other's) advice I didn't think was worth it. If it was a more critical and less easily worked around one, e.g., the tilt gauge, I'd be willing to pay more.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Jun 16 01:21:12 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:21:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... Message-ID: > I've just made a down payment on that BMW, now that I know what my > parts are > really worth! :0 I figure you're already spent the money I (or whoever) would be giving you on rent for storing the parts these many years.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 16 02:23:12 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:23:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: <239983.54819.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram You see my eyes? They are green!! So, now you have a gold one I can offer a good free home for the black one you no longer need!!! <> Congratulations on your purchase. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 15 June 2007 19:49 To: hitech at bellsouth.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... One more thing Nak lovers. The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak lovers get a deal like that ever? Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Sat Jun 16 02:36:20 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What do you expect to spend on your Nak that you purchase off of E-bay or other sources? Message-ID: <01ac01c7afae$5c4f2710$6400000a@eagle> All, Tom Brucker and I were talking the other day about how much I anticipated paying to get a Nak up to speed when I get one off E-bay. I would be interested, as I am sure others, to your thoughts. Over the last few years I have gathered a stable of Naks 3-ZX-7's...2-682zx's...2-680zx's...1-680... 1-660...2-LX-5's...1-RX-505...1-RX-202...1-Cassette Deck-1. I also have 2-Onkyo 2090's and a Harman Kardan CD491. I am not a technician so all the decks have been checked out by a tech with basic tuning and new belts generally done. I have been fortunate in that there is an original Nark Repair company (Marvin Electronics) here in the Dallas/Fort worth Area. However, Marvin's can not do much more than what I have described. Thank God for Tom and ELLS. I figure most basic stuff has probably averaged about $150 to $200...though I have had one of my AX-7 rebuilt by ESL and I picked up a very nice "Sanctified" AX-7. I try to read between the lines on most of these ads, but anymore you never know what your going to get. Tom has one of my LX-5's and 680 for repair and I have both 680zx's and a 682zx that need things done to them to get them perfect...auto azimuth lights out etc. By the way I keep telling everyone I know Tom did a great job on my Only-2090...it sounds very, good hard to tell it from the AX-7's and 680's. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 03:03:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <999176.30030.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I shall. I am cleaning her up to spotless. not that she was not but I still am. I need to have the caps on her done soon! Just too broke now. i shall take some pics and send you off the forum priveately. RAMM RAMM Ram.( one for each ZXL):) --- Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > RAMM, > We gotta see some picture my friend! good luck, I > hope it is as expected. > Best Regards, Ben > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sat Jun 16 06:56:42 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:56:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... Message-ID: <45d9b7b3b62e439eb007add9ef409440.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Ram, I did the same a few years ago...I bought my Nak 1000ZXL Limited(Black Prototype)exactly for $300! I guess it's their wholesale price.LOL P.S.How do you like your Teac Z-7000?Congratulations on your Limited purchase. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/15/2007 11:48:42 AM To : hitech at bellsouth.net; naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... One more thing Nak lovers. The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak lovers get a deal like that ever? Ram hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Speaking of never seen again, I wish Ram all the best as he picks up his ZXL Limited this morning! This was the second US auction of this year. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jun 16 08:15:56 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:15:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... References: <4672D965.40806@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000b01c7afdd$ce670640$55d117c4@home> SO What? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... > Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection > of his new parts.. > > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 > NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 > > total: $492.50 > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 12:34:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: <45d9b7b3b62e439eb007add9ef409440.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <724544.83019.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The TEAC is a great deck( getting the record amp repaired- and the erase head replaced) but when stacked up against the zxl falls a bit short. Only a bit short and thats because of the pressure pad lifter in the Nak primarily. I shall post on the recording capability down the line. Ram "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: Ram, I did the same a few years ago...I bought my Nak 1000ZXL Limited(Black Prototype)exactly for $300! I guess it's their wholesale price.LOL P.S.How do you like your Teac Z-7000?Congratulations on your Limited purchase. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/15/2007 11:48:42 AM To : hitech at bellsouth.net; naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... One more thing Nak lovers. The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak lovers get a deal like that ever? Ram hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Speaking of never seen again, I wish Ram all the best as he picks up his ZXL Limited this morning! This was the second US auction of this year. tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... There will surely be another one come along sooner or later with a much lower risk attached to it. I try to remember: The myth of Ebay is "you'll never see one [at all/like this/this good] again" It's hard to remember even if you know it, and, of course, like any rule of thumb, there is always the odd exception.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 12:42:23 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <170658.98817.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, Thanks. Now for them capacitors! Dang!. This never seems to end at all! I started this journey of Nakamania in October 2005 and after more than 11 decks I am finally done.done...done.. It did end in the Nakamichi epitomy, the limited 1000ZXL. WIth its current flaws, she sounds so good, its beyond description....and I have a huge hole in my pocket! But it will be worth it! Lets start a chain on Nak collection ....thats how, when and why? Regards Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Ram You see my eyes? They are green!! So, now you have a gold one I can offer a good free home for the black one you no longer need!!! <> Congratulations on your purchase. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 15 June 2007 19:49 To: hitech at bellsouth.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I Don't Think I'll Be Bidding On This... One more thing Nak lovers. The seller of the ZXL limited bought it for $300 at an estate sale. Values abound as there are many ignorant folks out there! He did make a killing on it and gave a small discount off the bid price too! Felt a little better after hearing his purchase price. Why can we all Nak lovers get a deal like that ever? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 16 16:09:58 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:09:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible Answers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4673EF36.9010909@rcn.com> > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: wheijke at xs4all.nl > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 "Extra" PC Board Question - Possible > Answers > > > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > Actually i'm looking in my BX-300 service manual and see the Input Amp > pcb figure printed (page 17), below the image you can read 'Serial No.: > A12702001 -' which would mean it was there from the first BX-300 on. > > > Wouter: > > My 1984 BX-300's serial number is A1270012xx, which I would think is earlier > than the number A12702001 mentioned under the Input Amp PCB diagram on page > 17 of the service manual. > > But Kannan seems to be correct...this input amp circuit does seem to have > been originally part of the "Buffer" circuit on the main PCB. Take a look > at the Main PCB diagram on page 21. > > IC304 is clearly visible at the top center of the PCB on page 21 (Serial > Nos. A12701001-02000), but has been removed from the Main PCB shown on page > 19 (Serial Nos. A12702001-onwards). > > It goes without saying that my 1984 BX-300's Main PCB is the same as the one > shown on page 21. > > The Input Amp PCB on page 17 (Serial No. A12702001-onwards) lists the same > IC304 chip. > > I think I might have figured out why this particular chip was later moved to > its own PCB. On the 1984 BX-300, IC304 sits directly underneath the control > motor. There is a piece of reflective pasteboard attached just above the > Main PCB at this location, apparently to shield IC304 from whatever magnetic > and/or radio interference the control motor might be giving off when it is > operating. Obviously, this must not have been satisfactory enough for > Nakamichi engineers, who then decided to remove IC304 entirely from the Main > PCB and move it to a more remote location where it wouldn't be so directly > exposed to whatever the control motor (or something close to the control > motor) might be emitting. > > That's my theory anyhow. Does this sound crazy? This should be easy to check, since you have access to the earlier BX-300. Just fire it up. Does control motor operation radiate noise into the signal path? -- Ron From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Jun 16 21:12:22 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:12:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <000801c7b04a$44e7d120$dad417c4@home> Has anybody got 1 or two Cassette whell doors for the CR 7 for sale? Please email me offline. thanks Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... > Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection > of his new parts.. > > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 > NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 > > total: $492.50 > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 07:38:12 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <712270.13517.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The capstan motors are a little different as they have a governor circuit built within the can of the motor with the two supression capacitors soldered to the outside. Sometimes, it isn't the motor itself, but the governor circuit which develops a fault. It happened some years ago to one of my 680ZXs. Bala hitech wrote: This is the Turkish seller that has had Nak parts and gauges on eBay for 2 years. His prices are very high. The Nak gauge he sold is by far the most useless of the lot! I realize now that Wouter thinks the sale is funny. I agree with him. BTW, Ian found OEM capstan motors in the UK for 3 pounds each. tom -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of drewes Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] what can you buy for... SO What? Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... > Whow, naac.tr (finally) found a buyer in bj40spec101scout for a selection > of his new parts.. > > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CAPSTAN MOTOR NEW ! ==> $152.50 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX CONTROL MOTOR NEW ! ==> $95.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX REEL HUBS NEW ! ==> $55.00 > NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX IDLER WITH ASSY NEW ! ==> $45.00 > NAKAMICHI GAUGE FROM 1000ZXL 700ZXL 680ZX NEW ! ==> 145.00 > > total: $492.50 > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 17 10:24:49 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <000801c7b04a$44e7d120$dad417c4@home> Message-ID: <005901c7b0b8$f8bbb270$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Walter Not sure what U are after. Can U match ur need to the CR7 SM partslist & I will check with what I have Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Has anybody got 1 or two Cassette whell doors for the CR 7 for sale? Please email me offline. thanks Walter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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How do you set the bias properly? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* From j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr Sun Jun 17 23:27:06 2007 From: j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr (Gaston Rieffel) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:27:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 : FF or RW before Read In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070430175711.00892120@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070430175711.00892120@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6a595bf0dfae9aa7e7f7aeda9bc07169@wanadoo.fr> Hi Tom, thank you for your fast answer. The 300 I bought answers now. I certainly will contact you when I will receive the crazy one of my friend, wich seems to be revised. Regards, Guschty Le 1 mai 07, à 00:57, Hi Tech a écrit : > Gaston, > Describe what you see in more detail. I do not understand what > "read" > refers to. Play? > If the tape does not take up slack when loaded, but will play FF and > RW, > then the idler tire may require replacement. > > tom brucker > > At 11:34 PM 4/30/07 +0200, you wrote: >> I have bought a BX 300 that does'nt read before the FF or RW switches >> have been >> pushed. What could be the cure ? >> Thanks for your expertise >> Audiophil regards >> Guschty >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 06:57:54 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Intriguing Feature......... In-Reply-To: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <576866.13359.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The top of the line AD-F series (FF series in Japan) featured ADMS or Automatic DeMagnetizing System. It works by sweeping the heads with a special oscillator circuit that sort of demagnetizes the heads. It seems to help because I've never had a noise problem with this deck. However, the capstans and other metal parts are not demagnetized and they need to be treated as well. Hence this system requires manual demagnetization from time to time. Bala hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Look at the auction for this Luxman K-373 deck. All of the controls and functions looked pretty routine, until my eye caught sight of a button just above the Rec Level knob. Look closely...it says DEMAGNETIZER!!! Can a BUILT-IN demagnetizer possibly be a good thing?!? Or is this just marketing? One more thing--I didn't see any buttons to choose tape formulation types. How do you set the bias properly? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009b01c7b142$47a67e40$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > Look at the auction for this Luxman K-373 deck. > > All of the controls and functions looked pretty routine, until my eye caught sight > of a button just above the Rec Level knob. Look closely...it says > DEMAGNETIZER!!! > > Can a BUILT-IN demagnetizer possibly be a good thing?!? Or is this just > marketing? No idea if it would do a good job or not, but I wonder what might happen if you push the button when one of your favorite tapes is in there. Hopefully they were smart enough to disable the feature when the door is closed and a tape is present or something along those lines. > > One more thing--I didn't see any buttons to choose tape formulation types. > How do you set the bias properly? Presumably it's one of the decks that detects the tape type by the index holes in the tape shell. It does have a fine bias knob too. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting For once, an item that comes very close to the MINT in the title. The deck really does appear to be in great condition, at least cosmetically and comes with the original box and owners manual. Very nice looking deck. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jun 18 02:29:57 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Intriguing Feature......... In-Reply-To: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <595549.54923.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I assume this is automatic tape type select and bias pre-set based on the keyholes on the top of the cassette tapes. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Look at the auction for this Luxman K-373 deck. All of the controls and functions looked pretty routine, until my eye caught sight of a button just above the Rec Level knob. Look closely...it says DEMAGNETIZER!!! Can a BUILT-IN demagnetizer possibly be a good thing?!? Or is this just marketing? One more thing--I didn't see any buttons to choose tape formulation types. How do you set the bias properly? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Mon Jun 18 03:58:31 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (kmashlan) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:58:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] An Intriguing Feature......... In-Reply-To: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001501c7b14c$2bf36230$6501a8c0@rbdell2> My Aiwa 3 head has automatic demagnetizing, which every time the unit powers on it fires. Not sure if it actually works or not, or how it is supposed to work. I never put much stock in it as it runs even with a cassette in the well, which I assume would not be a good thing. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: June 17, 2007 3:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] An Intriguing Feature......... Look at the auction for this Luxman K-373 deck. All of the controls and functions looked pretty routine, until my eye caught sight of a button just above the Rec Level knob. Look closely...it says DEMAGNETIZER!!! Can a BUILT-IN demagnetizer possibly be a good thing?!? Or is this just marketing? One more thing--I didn't see any buttons to choose tape formulation types. How do you set the bias properly? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&p hotoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Jun 18 12:44:33 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:44:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 sold! References: Message-ID: <016101c7b195$a8961500$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Yeah, was watching that one too..aside from the marketing bull... I was not surprised by the selling price. That CR5 did appear to be in excellent physical condition, and at $615 isn't a bargain, but no an absolute gouge either (and let's face it.. it is market price) and I have seen scruffy ones go for around $400... still, not enough though to tempt me to sell one of mine! As a general comment..Working Naks in Aussy seem to go 'over the odds'.... eg: the 480 currently sitting at AU$127.00!!!. Still, wouldn't mind the 700II currently on offer, or the LX-5 for that matter..to add to the collection! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 sold! > The word 'pristine' must be a magic one. That hyped up CR-5 on ebay > Australia has actually sold for AU$615 (US$516). > > David > > > ................ For sale, is a NAKAMICHI-CR 5 Discrete (3)Head Cassette > Deck, in PRISTINE, TOP CONDITION. ...I don't need to get into endless > praising of this unit, most likely you know what you're looking at. > ........THE CR-5 AND CR-7 ARE SIMPLY THE BEST DECKS NAKAMICHI EVER MADE!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-CR-5-CASSETTE-DECK-PRISTINE-TOP-CONDITION_W > 0QQitemZ230138074799QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie > wItem > > > From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Jun 18 22:08:02 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:08:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Again. Message-ID: Here something to get the juices flowing :- Seems like an echo of Andy's problem in some ways :- Playing tapes on ZX-9 that were previously recorded on the ZX-9 or other naks - no problem. Put deck in source mode - Very Very Low right channel ! Last week, everything was A OK. (Alex - I've twiddled all the knobs 20 times etc) The only change from last time is that the deck has now been moved into a new cabinet. All wiring checked out ok. Meters obviously work as playback is ok. Record Amp maybe? Could anyone help please? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Jun 18 22:27:37 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:27:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Message-ID: Finally got around to looking at the CR-7 - You'll not believe this one!!!!! Got T-100 ready to check levels etc and tried out CR-7 - No problem found. Tried different tapes etc, no problems. Taped a few sources and they all played back fine on this deck and other decks no problem. Wow this deck is good. Sony Super Metal Master is really great with it. So the deck is fine on the bench but not in the rack. Lets get some new cables ready! I don't believe it - found a dodgy cable. It's now in the rack and performing properly. Dead on levels when played back on the Dragon also with the new recording on the CR-7. Thanks Tom, Ron, Luis for suggestions. I'll now check more basic things in future to avoid wasting everyones time. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Mon Jun 18 20:28:24 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] No serial number found on a TT 700 Message-ID: <200706181830.l5IISUUa008207@zxe.naks.com> Hello All, I'm currently working on a original version 1 of the TT 700. It is still in good shape, but pinch rollers are worn. To my surprise there is no serial number plate tagged to the connection board. The printed label "Serial No." is there, but not the little plate. It has never been there because there are no holes for the cramps normally used to fix the plate. The internal chassis number reeds N-700207, suggesting this is quite an early sample. Has antone ever seen something like this? Is is almost unthinkable it slipped through quality control this way, because the papers would be made up with the serial number included before the item was packed and shipped. The recording levels adjustment range falls a bit short to the required setting for EX tape. Is there something to adjust this range besides the obvious level adjust knobs at the back? Keep listening to the Naks. Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henkschenk at wishmail.nl Mon Jun 18 20:50:00 2007 From: henkschenk at wishmail.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:50:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Disconnected MPX leads in an modded TT 700 version 2 Message-ID: <200706181851.l5IIo5Zo008661@zxe.naks.com> Hello All, I'm currently working on a TT700 II (a different version and sample as mentioned in my other post today ! ) which has been modded to work with ZX (pure metal) tapes. This has presumably been done by the distributor as the little ZX tags look professional. Alas, this has done away with the original EX tape selection. I notice in this sample the connector for the MPX filter switch is not connected to the main board. It might be someone has left it unattached after working on the machine. But; I just wonder whether it might have anything to do with the ZX mod?? A remote possibility, I cannot see the relationship here, but I rather ask then connect something that should not be. Thanks in advance for any light on this. Happy listening Henk Schenk http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jun 18 20:17:01 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <663175.18792.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You paid for what you like to get and there is nothing wrong with it. I will do the same thing as well if I want them ( I don't care what other people say ). Keep up with your good work. Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well I'm delighted that I gave someone a laugh. I didn't actually buy the hub's and idler assembly (Although I wanted the idler) but did buy the motors and the erase head mounting gauge (Which I know will seldom be used). If the other gauges came up for sale, I'd pay more for those, (A lot). I didn't expect anyone else to approve of my purchases, but now you know my i.d, you may well have more laughs in future. Sorry for this boring note. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Jun 18 22:35:39 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:35:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] An Intriguing Feature......... In-Reply-To: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061720072243.5445.4675B925000B002A0000154522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50rd73pgdjvr4rksp90uf9i9p3unra4hi9@4ax.com> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:43:49 +0000, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >Look at the auction for this Luxman K-373 deck. > >All of the controls and functions looked pretty routine, until my eye caught sight of a button just above the Rec Level knob. Look closely...it says DEMAGNETIZER!!! > >Can a BUILT-IN demagnetizer possibly be a good thing?!? Or is this just marketing? > >One more thing--I didn't see any buttons to choose tape formulation types. How do you set the bias properly? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320128434636&indexURL=5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > Picture 10 shows part of th manual and th heads are of a type called Hexalam-Permalloy. I wonder if this type of head needs that kind of demagnetizer circuit - Thet principle of a demagnetizer in electronic form exists or years on CRT displays wo problems so I guess building one into a cassette deck would be possible. The only difference being that an external demagnetizer will be good for more than one deck, but the built-in one cannot be operated outside of good practice. -Mikkel From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 21:01:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] what can you buy for... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <340939.61025.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, We should buy what we want and pay what we perceive to be worth the price. I did not laugh at anything for one. You are a true Nakaholic like several others here including me. Thats what we refer to as passion. Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well I'm delighted that I gave someone a laugh. I didn't actually buy the hub's and idler assembly (Although I wanted the idler) but did buy the motors and the erase head mounting gauge (Which I know will seldom be used). If the other gauges came up for sale, I'd pay more for those, (A lot). I didn't expect anyone else to approve of my purchases, but now you know my i.d, you may well have more laughs in future. Sorry for this boring note. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Jun 19 00:50:44 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:50:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46770C44.8000706@cox.net> Ben You might try reaching around back of the ZX-9 and giving the RCA connectors a little twist and shove. If this doesn't make a difference, try swapping the left and right channel input RCA plugs to see if the right channel remains low or if the problem switches to the left channel. The problem may not be in your Nak. Tim Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Here something to get the juices flowing :- > Seems like an echo of Andy's problem in some ways :- > Playing tapes on ZX-9 that were previously recorded on the ZX-9 or > other naks - no problem. > Put deck in source mode - Very Very Low right channel ! > Last week, everything was A OK. > (Alex - I've twiddled all the knobs 20 times etc) > The only change from last time is that the deck has now been moved > into a new cabinet. > All wiring checked out ok. > Meters obviously work as playback is ok. > Record Amp maybe? Could anyone help please? > Best Regards, Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 19 01:01:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:01:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Disconnected MPX leads in an modded TT 700 version 2 Message-ID: <3DF5A4AF-BC9B-40B4-8C32-97CE170948C7@alumni.caltech.edu> > I'm currently working on a TT700 II (a different version and > sample as > mentioned in my other post today ! ) which has been modded to work > with ZX > (pure metal) tapes. This has presumably been done by the > distributor as the > little ZX tags look professional. Alas, this has done away with the > original > EX tape selection. > I've mentioned this was done for me by Nak to my 700 II. You had to give up one of ex or sx to do it and it did include a stick-over "zx" sticker they placed over the modded postion on the switch plate. No change to the MPX circuitry, though. Basically it was a new erase and record head, and parts for the bias oscillator.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 19 01:01:58 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:01:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: <061820072301.12946.46770EE600042CE90000329222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I get so much enjoyment reading Nak Talk and learning about technical issues, repair tips, and deck features. But what about the true reason for owning these decks? LISTENING to them! I would like to know what sort of things we are currently listening to on these beloved Nak decks that we own. I have been haunting thrift stores, music stores, and flea markets, and I have been loading up on dozens of pre-recorded tapes. I often find an EXCELLENT selection of music of all types (my tastes vary WIDELY), and many of these tapes actually sound quite good...but of course, look at what I'm using to listen to them! I am currently using three of my five Nak decks -- ZX-9, 682ZX, BX-300 -- to listen to the following tapes: HOROWITZ AT THE MET - RCA Red Seal Digital Master (ARE1-4585) - One of my favorite classical pianists captured live. Simply a STUNNING recording that truly takes advantage of the greatly increased clarity and dynamics made possible with digital recording. This tape easily fools people into thinking I am playing a CD! THE BEST OF CHET BAKER - EMI/Capitol Music Special Markets (24357-4-6) - I normally don't buy compilations because I prefer to hear works in the original album context, but I have been meaning to check out Chet Baker for some time, and I'm glad I did. Lonely, brooding jazz trumpet with nice, low-key restrained backup, and he also has a soft, appealing vocal style he shows on several tracks. Perfect rainy evening music. Chet is the MAN. JEAN-PHILIPPE RAMEAU: DARDANUS ORCHESTRAL SUITE - Musical Heritage Society (MHC-9102H) - This is what's so great about cassettes right now. They are so cheap--especially when they are used--that you can afford to take a chance on music you've never even heard of. And if you're lucky, you find EXCELLENT baroque music like this. I hadn't even heard of Rameau until I found this cassette in a thrift shop, and now I want to grab everything he ever wrote. An excellent quality recording, too. LINDA RONSTADT: LUSH LIFE - Asylum (9 60387-4) - I already own this music on CD, but I found a used tape of it that was so cheap that I decided to hear what it sounded like on my Nak. The 682ZX is so warm sounding that I actually prefer to listen to this tape instead of my CD! Unfortunately, the tape has started to squeal, so maybe I will grab a Maxell or TDK and tape my CD! EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL: WALKING WOUNDED - Atlantic (82912-4) - I love Tracy Thorn's vocals, and when you add techno beats to them, you get this album. Soothing and electric at the same time! Well, those are a few of the tapes piled on top of my audio cabinet...... *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 19 01:18:47 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:18:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben, Be on the lookout for a DBX tape deck switch unit. If you had one you could route your T100 to source and monitor any other deck in your rack. There were some excellent posts last year with model numbers. There were 2 models IIRC. One could handle 6 decks. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Finally got around to looking at the CR-7 - You'll not believe this one!!!!! Got T-100 ready to check levels etc and tried out CR-7 - No problem found. Tried different tapes etc, no problems. Taped a few sources and they all played back fine on this deck and other decks no problem. Wow this deck is good. Sony Super Metal Master is really great with it. So the deck is fine on the bench but not in the rack. Lets get some new cables ready! I don't believe it - found a dodgy cable. It's now in the rack and performing properly. Dead on levels when played back on the Dragon also with the new recording on the CR-7. Thanks Tom, Ron, Luis for suggestions. I'll now check more basic things in future to avoid wasting everyones time. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 04:14:20 2007 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:14:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: dbx multi-deck switchers for interconnecting your multiple Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 19 01:01:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:01:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Disconnected MPX leads in an modded TT 700 version 2 Message-ID: <3DF5A4AF-BC9B-40B4-8C32-97CE170948C7@alumni.caltech.edu> > I'm currently working on a TT700 II (a different version and > sample as > mentioned in my other post today ! ) which has been modded to work > with ZX > (pure metal) tapes. This has presumably been done by the > distributor as the > little ZX tags look professional. Alas, this has done away with the > original > EX tape selection. > I've mentioned this was done for me by Nak to my 700 II. You had to give up one of ex or sx to do it and it did include a stick-over "zx" sticker they placed over the modded postion on the switch plate. No change to the MPX circuitry, though. Basically it was a new erase and record head, and parts for the bias oscillator.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 06:05:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I have a copuple of Parts decks. Message-ID: <31790.22051.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nak Talkers, I have a 680, a 660zx and a 670zx and a 680zx decks striclty for parts. If anyone is serious please contact me off the forum. I shall be listing on ebay if I do not hear any interest from any of you folks here. you could either buy the whole deck or I can strip it by parts. Thanks Ram --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 13:50:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on ebay Message-ID: <987223.16566.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found a very interesting description of a Dragon on ebay Nakamichi Dragon Integrated play head/amplifier assembly places the playback circuitry right at the head assembly to minimize signal degradation. • DC servo capstan motor responds instantaneously to load fluctuation, further suppressing flutter components. • Nakamichi Dragon Motor-operated, microprocessor-controlled Silent Mechanism assures smooth, quiet, foolproof transport operation. • Bias fine-tune control enables you to adjust for variations among tape brands and formulations to achieve flat frequency response every time. • Bi-directional auto-search feature seeks the "zero" counter position in rewind or fast-forward. • Automatic tape slack take-up mechanism winds any loose tape fully onto the hubs as soon as you insert a cassette to prevent misfeeding and jamming. • Nakamichi Dragon Dolby B and C type noise reduction circuits are incorporated. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 18 June 2007 21:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Again. Here something to get the juices flowing :- Seems like an echo of Andy's problem in some ways :- Playing tapes on ZX-9 that were previously recorded on the ZX-9 or other naks - no problem. Put deck in source mode - Very Very Low right channel ! Last week, everything was A OK. (Alex - I've twiddled all the knobs 20 times etc) The only change from last time is that the deck has now been moved into a new cabinet. All wiring checked out ok. Meters obviously work as playback is ok. Record Amp maybe? Could anyone help please? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 19 09:09:22 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:09:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C98057E5AB52CA-1AFC-3668@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> Tom, That's a great idea.  I have 2 swich units that control 4 decks each.  But my Amp only has 1 tape loop!  You would have thought they could have swallowed the expense of a second one somewhere.  (Mind you it has 2 cd's and a dvd input)  Anyway, at the moment I'm considering reducing the stable to 4 decks, partly due to this issue and also as the others get neglected and will not be happy sitting idle. So 4 decks are routed to CD2 so I can play them but not record obviously. BUT, with the reliability issues I'm having, I need a few decks to ensure some are always running. I need a switch unit for 10 decks to solve all my problems! Thanks Tom, Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12.18am Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Ben,    Be on the lookout for a DBX tape deck switch unit. If you had one you could route your T100 to source and monitor any other deck in your rack. There were some excellent posts last year with model numbers. There were 2 models IIRC. One could handle 6 decks. tom       Tom Brucker  csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Finally got around to looking at the CR-7 - You'll not believe this one!!!!!   Got T-100 ready to check levels etc and tried out CR-7 - No problem found. Tried different tapes etc, no problems.  Taped a few sources and they all played back fine on this deck and other decks no problem.  Wow this deck is good.  Sony Super Metal Master is really great with it.   So the deck is fine on the bench but not in the rack.  Lets get some new cables ready!   I don't believe it - found a dodgy cable.  It's now in the rack and performing properly.  Dead on levels when played back on the Dragon also with the new recording on the CR-7.   Thanks Tom, Ron, Luis for suggestions.  I'll now check more basic things in future to avoid wasting everyones time.   Best Regards, Ben       ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 19 11:01:59 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: <8C98067A119AAB0-CD8-C6@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> Sadly - My Shure Turntable Trackability Test Record.  Lots of nice bells and harps!  Now the Turntable is quite well set up, I've been trying out some recording on the CR-7.  I didn't realise how good the CR-7 could be. Interestingly, It has difficulty with auto calibrating the new (Green) TDK MA-XG's, but TDK MA-R, older MA-XG's and Sony Super Metal Master are fine.  It must be how the deck was set up at B & W when it had new heads 5 yrs ago.  Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape types.  Any ideas guys? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 19 11:08:15 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:08:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Level Problem Again. Message-ID: <8C980688152F4DC-CD8-E8@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> I was thinking along the same lines Tim but have now removed the deck from the cabinet and connected directly to the amp tape loop with - known to be working cables. Still no or very little right channel. When setting up azimuth / bias / level prior to recording, everything seems ok.  Playing tapes is ok but when monitoring source - no right channel and poor sound so not just a meter problem. I'll oper her up later and check the connections to the sockets to see if there's another easy fix. Best Regards, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjoneslinc at netzero.net Tue Jun 19 19:35:56 2007 From: cjoneslinc at netzero.net (cjoneslinc at netzero.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:35:56 GMT Subject: [naktalk] PAUSE and STOP light up- Mode Motor? Message-ID: <20070619.123556.25438.0@webmail16.dca.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 18:56:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <987223.16566.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <557570.119.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, I just thought I 'd post on the Dragon in my own words. I am referring to the statement," flat frequency response". The Dragon has one huge shortcoming compared the ZXL or the Teac Z series decks in obtaining a ruler flat response curve. It ess That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set by the swith either 70/120usec. In reality recorders that calibrate all threee parameters always obtain better frequency response than decks adjusting two( level/bias) values. Moreover, the ZXL adjusts bias by titrating the current to 4 different frequencies including a 20K frequency whereas the Dragon only does 2 ( 400Hz for level and 15Khz for bias)and in addition does an equalization adjustment for the specific tape in use. In my humble opinion the Dragon has another shortcoming and that is related to the playback head which has crammed in 6 channels into the same space as the regular pb heads of other Naks. Lets face it, cramming so many features in the same unit area does cause some drawbacks in terms of frequency response. The only significant advantage the Dragon has over all othger Naks is the double direct drive motors and thats where its edge in playback sometimes shows in addition to the NAAC( which is good and bad IMHO) but here too the ZX9 walks all over the Dragon in the recording arena. I personally prefer to record in theZX9, 680zx or the 700/1000ZXL. The ZXL is the best built (Yes ITS THE BEST BUILT NAK.) The Dragon is the most unorganized crammed piece of electronics put into a box with utter chaos inside and a nightmare for service technicians to repair. The above, of course is purely my opinion and I stand by it. Regards, Ram ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 19 15:22:44 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:22:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4677D8A4.5010204@rcn.com> All's well that ends well... -- Ron Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Finally got around to looking at the CR-7 - You'll not believe this one!!!!! > > Got T-100 ready to check levels etc and tried out CR-7 - No problem found. > Tried different tapes etc, no problems. Taped a few sources and they > all played back fine on this deck and other decks no problem. Wow this > deck is good. Sony Super Metal Master is really great with it. > > So the deck is fine on the bench but not in the rack. Lets get some new > cables ready! > > I don't believe it - found a dodgy cable. It's now in the rack and > performing properly. Dead on levels when played back on the Dragon also > with the new recording on the CR-7. > > Thanks Tom, Ron, Luis for suggestions. I'll now check more basic things > in future to avoid wasting everyones time. > > Best Regards, Ben > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 19 15:38:00 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <061820072301.12946.46770EE600042CE90000329222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061820072301.12946.46770EE600042CE90000329222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4677DC38.7030604@rcn.com> To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection (about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardly ever buy any. What I use the machine for is recording my own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly ever exactly as is (for that I can listen to the original), but in different combinations. If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I would probably get rid of my deck. I find that in general, their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak's recordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail on me were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves. Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen and threw away as many or more. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I get so much enjoyment reading Nak Talk and learning about technical issues, repair tips, and deck features. > > But what about the true reason for owning these decks? LISTENING to them! > > I would like to know what sort of things we are currently listening to on these beloved Nak decks that we own. > > I have been haunting thrift stores, music stores, and flea markets, and I have been loading up on dozens of pre-recorded tapes. I often find an EXCELLENT selection of music of all types (my tastes vary WIDELY), and many of these tapes actually sound quite good...but of course, look at what I'm using to listen to them! > > I am currently using three of my five Nak decks -- ZX-9, 682ZX, BX-300 -- to listen to the following tapes: > > HOROWITZ AT THE MET - RCA Red Seal Digital Master (ARE1-4585) - One of my favorite classical pianists captured live. Simply a STUNNING recording that truly takes advantage of the greatly increased clarity and dynamics made possible with digital recording. This tape easily fools people into thinking I am playing a CD! > > THE BEST OF CHET BAKER - EMI/Capitol Music Special Markets (24357-4-6) - I normally don't buy compilations because I prefer to hear works in the original album context, but I have been meaning to check out Chet Baker for some time, and I'm glad I did. Lonely, brooding jazz trumpet with nice, low-key restrained backup, and he also has a soft, appealing vocal style he shows on several tracks. Perfect rainy evening music. Chet is the MAN. > > JEAN-PHILIPPE RAMEAU: DARDANUS ORCHESTRAL SUITE - Musical Heritage Society (MHC-9102H) - This is what's so great about cassettes right now. They are so cheap--especially when they are used--that you can afford to take a chance on music you've never even heard of. And if you're lucky, you find EXCELLENT baroque music like this. I hadn't even heard of Rameau until I found this cassette in a thrift shop, and now I want to grab everything he ever wrote. An excellent quality recording, too. > > LINDA RONSTADT: LUSH LIFE - Asylum (9 60387-4) - I already own this music on CD, but I found a used tape of it that was so cheap that I decided to hear what it sounded like on my Nak. The 682ZX is so warm sounding that I actually prefer to listen to this tape instead of my CD! Unfortunately, the tape has started to squeal, so maybe I will grab a Maxell or TDK and tape my CD! > > EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL: WALKING WOUNDED - Atlantic (82912-4) - I love Tracy Thorn's vocals, and when you add techno beats to them, you get this album. Soothing and electric at the same time! > > Well, those are a few of the tapes piled on top of my audio cabinet...... > > *andy* From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Jun 19 12:29:18 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:29:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] I have a copuple of Parts decks. References: <31790.22051.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c7b25c$b17552e0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Ram, I am interested in the 670ZX and 680ZX, so please contact me off list to discuss. Thanks, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] I have a copuple of Parts decks. Hi Nak Talkers, I have a 680, a 660zx and a 670zx and a 680zx decks striclty for parts. If anyone is serious please contact me off the forum. I shall be listing on ebay if I do not hear any interest from any of you folks here. you could either buy the whole deck or I can strip it by parts. Thanks Ram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 19 21:11:45 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:11:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon Message-ID: <288871F4-2266-40E9-A432-E3712398E55D@alumni.caltech.edu> > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > by the swith either 70/120usec. I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a standard, and is composed of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of the circuit that define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so that when it is played back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output will be flat if the input was flat. This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly made on any deck and it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual switch. Where the 1000zxl differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct playback. Decks which don't do autocal have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of adjustment of record EQ. The difference between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic bias adjustment (you need to set the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 19 21:16:26 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:16:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: <366CE96F-3165-4392-A357-DFE67A8F2FB4@alumni.caltech.edu> > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different > types of tape internally so they will be able to cope with all of > my 6 different tape types. Any ideas guys? Use your 1000zxl; that's what it's best at :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 19 21:13:06 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:13:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Message-ID: Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:30:31 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <366CE96F-3165-4392-A357-DFE67A8F2FB4@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <366CE96F-3165-4392-A357-DFE67A8F2FB4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10706191230s62c69c74lc1af41cad78a9195@mail.gmail.com> Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over the heads. On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape > internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape > types. Any ideas guys? > Use your 1000zxl; that's what it's best at :-).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:35:48 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:35:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Message-ID: <518b7b10706191235g4b85beb1k667390b1da4c61b@mail.gmail.com> OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a hint, but you probably don't need it. George On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > by the swith either 70/120usec. > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > standard, and is composed > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > the circuit that > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > that when it is played > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > will be flat if the > input was flat. > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > made on any deck and > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > switch. Where the 1000zxl > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > bias adjustment (you need to set > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 19 21:54:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:54:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] PAUSE and STOP light up- Mode Motor? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/2007 11:59:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cjoneslinc at netzero.net writes: Hi all, My tech tells me the Mode Motor on my CR-2 needs replaced. He's not willing to spend the time (and rack up labor charges) to de-carbonize when there might be other problems with the brushes in the motor... Any sources for a new Mode Motor? It's a pristine deck on the outside, and it worked for about a month. In total so far I'm out almost $100 The problem is the playback would seize up right away and leave that little loop of tape. If I remember correctly PAUSE and STOP would both light up and the door would jam as well (it's been at the shop for 2 months) Any thoughts would be much appreciated! Thanks. -Chris Hi Chris, The cheapest way I know of to obtain that motor is to buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap the control motors out. I've seen them go for as little as $10 plus shipping. The control motors are interchangeable between the 2 models - and a lot of other parts as well. There's a bunch of CR-1's on eBay right now. Good luck Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 21:50:36 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <288871F4-2266-40E9-A432-E3712398E55D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <115204.63196.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, No confusion here. I was referring to the record eq titration for the individual tape in calibration and not the playback eq, because we all know its either 70/120usec on every deck built including the ZXL. As you rightly say, the other non eq calibrationg decks have fixed value set in the factory and the eq adjustable ( or titratable, if I may) decks optimize the record eq to values that aids proper playback characteristics with those 2 settings, to obtain ruler flat 20Hz-20Khz at -20dB record levels. Thanks for clearaing the two parameters of rec/play eq. regards Ram. "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set by the swith either 70/120usec. I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a standard, and is composed of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of the circuit that define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so that when it is played back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output will be flat if the input was flat. This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly made on any deck and it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual switch. Where the 1000zxl differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct playback. Decks which don't do autocal have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of adjustment of record EQ. The difference between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic bias adjustment (you need to set the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 19 21:25:59 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:25:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] PAUSE and STOP light up- Mode Motor? References: <20070619.123556.25438.0@webmail16.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <018501c7b2a7$aac63ef0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Chris RU sure U mean the mode motor rather than the more commonly failing 'reel' motor. The symptoms that U describe are exactly what 'was' ooccurring with my CR-3 until fixed by a combination of - - complete belt change [sourced on Ebay from the Italian 'service kit' there [cost all in about $20] - liberal & regular application of Deoxit to the slots in the reel motor/motor PC controller pot on the board coupled with 'working' of these items to eliminate the built up oxidation. Whatever else it is a cheap project, does no harm, isbrilliant therapy & wonderful when the problem is finally resolved as mine has been now for several months. The 'little loop of tape' that U describe was my CR-3 scenario 'to a T' Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] PAUSE and STOP light up- Mode Motor? > Hi all, > My tech tells me the Mode Motor on my CR-2 needs replaced. > He's not willing to spend the time (and rack up labor charges) > to de-carbonize when there might be other problems > with the brushes in the motor... > Any sources for a new Mode Motor? > It's a pristine deck on the outside, > and it worked for about a month. > In total so far I'm out almost $100 > The problem is the playback would seize up > right away and leave that little loop of tape. > If I remember correctly PAUSE and STOP would > both light up and the door would jam as well > (it's been at the shop for 2 months) > Any thoughts would be much appreciated! > Thanks. -Chris > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here to lower your monthly payments. Act now and save! > http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6ijnhBb3dWybE4cx4M3SJFDEViTMMSBrh0BqTHCayH1slrhgQQ/ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 18/06/2007 > 15:02 > > From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jun 19 22:08:23 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706191235g4b85beb1k667390b1da4c61b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <867308.84468.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George: May I ask is this non-Nak the TEAC Z-7000? Mike george valkov wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a hint, but you probably don't need it. George On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > by the swith either 70/120usec. > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > standard, and is composed > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > the circuit that > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > that when it is played > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > will be flat if the > input was flat. > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > made on any deck and > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > switch. Where the 1000zxl > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > bias adjustment (you need to set > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Jun 19 22:26:13 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: <41E8616F-E821-4DBC-BADC-D5306EC491A4@alumni.caltech.edu> > Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard > sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it > impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over > the heads. I don't think I (or even Ram!) would claim it can account for a really defective tape. I'll bet even your Teac z-7000 won't do a perfect job on those all the time (although it might do better--don't really know).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 19 22:42:39 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:42:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: I Thought Ram had changed his name to John?! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Jun 20 00:35:10 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:35:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport repair Message-ID: <8C980D93ABCCB86-1038-FF2D@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com> Greetings Tom, Bala, Ram, Wouter and my fellow Nakophiles,    I recently came across a very nice 480 with a classic transport that has some of the nylon broken in a couple of places. Tom, I remember a while back you had mentioned fixing these with epoxy. Any particular type or brand you would recommend? And a word to everyone on the list, thanks to all of you for the priceless information you share freely to let us keep these engineering marvels alive. Keep on Nak'in! Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 22:33:21 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:33:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <41E8616F-E821-4DBC-BADC-D5306EC491A4@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <41E8616F-E821-4DBC-BADC-D5306EC491A4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10706191333jb296b29xf0f198de9bbea131@mail.gmail.com> I don't have a TEAC Z-7000 - and I don't think it would make any difference. On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard > sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it > impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over > the heads. > I don't think I (or even Ram!) would claim it can account for a really > defective tape. > I'll bet even your Teac z-7000 won't do a perfect job on those all the time > (although it > might do better--don't really know).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 00:06:11 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:06:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <8AA66CED-6EAD-4C75-9311-AAFEF60199E1@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <8AA66CED-6EAD-4C75-9311-AAFEF60199E1@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10706191506k7ac854c1m8f694150eeecb852@mail.gmail.com> Apologies to everyone, I managed to dig out some old info and the deck I had in mind uses 3, not 4 test tones - 400 Hz (Level), 4 kHz (EQ) und 17 kHz (Bias). Although I'm pretty sure my techie told me it uses 4 frequencies when he was fixing it. Hmmmm... I sold it together with the user and service manual, so can't check first hand. 1000ZXL rules! George On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I > don't know > enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's > other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what > you're > thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could > read elsewhere > made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out > slightly better, > for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 22:35:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: <8C98057E5AB52CA-1AFC-3668@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <119786.83167.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Use a Niles tape deck splitter. This device can run three tape decks through one loop in your preamp. Works fine for me. I have holled two of them and run 6 decks through these two through the tape1 and tape 2 loops. You can do the output through the cd1/2 playback loop and connect the amps record out to the input of the niles to feed the 3 decks. Works fine and stays well hidden. Only one request though. Please lable the tape decks connected on the Niles, as we tend to forget which is which. Good luck Ben. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Tom, That's a great idea. I have 2 swich units that control 4 decks each. But my Amp only has 1 tape loop! You would have thought they could have swallowed the expense of a second one somewhere. (Mind you it has 2 cd's and a dvd input) Anyway, at the moment I'm considering reducing the stable to 4 decks, partly due to this issue and also as the others get neglected and will not be happy sitting idle. So 4 decks are routed to CD2 so I can play them but not record obviously. BUT, with the reliability issues I'm having, I need a few decks to ensure some are always running. I need a switch unit for 10 decks to solve all my problems! Thanks Tom, Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12.18am Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Ben, Be on the lookout for a DBX tape deck switch unit. If you had one you could route your T100 to source and monitor any other deck in your rack. There were some excellent posts last year with model numbers. There were 2 models IIRC. One could handle 6 decks. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem Finally got around to looking at the CR-7 - You'll not believe this one!!!!! Got T-100 ready to check levels etc and tried out CR-7 - No problem found. Tried different tapes etc, no problems. Taped a few sources and they all played back fine on this deck and other decks no problem. Wow this deck is good. Sony Super Metal Master is really great with it. So the deck is fine on the bench but not in the rack. Lets get some new cables ready! I don't believe it - found a dodgy cable. It's now in the rack and performing properly. Dead on levels when played back on the Dragon also with the new recording on the CR-7. Thanks Tom, Ron, Luis for suggestions. I'll now check more basic things in future to avoid wasting everyones time. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. 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In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706191230s62c69c74lc1af41cad78a9195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <476665.73651.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yep, Grossly warped shells will throw the azimuth to a non ending spin on any auto azimuth deck. Even tougher to cal on the ZX7/9 series if grossly off azimuth.. although I have got lucky at timnes on the ZX7/9. The newer TDKs with the molded shells are truely horrible. Ram george valkov wrote: Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over the heads. On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape > internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape > types. Any ideas guys? > Use your 1000zxl; that's what it's best at :-).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 22:41:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706191235g4b85beb1k667390b1da4c61b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <512689.83327.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, You poerhaps referring to the Technics 9900US, because as far as I can reacall there is no other except may be the TEAC z-7000 which can do this. I do think, however that the TEAC uses 3 frequencies and not 4 like the zxl. Regards, Ram george valkov wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a hint, but you probably don't need it. George On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > by the swith either 70/120usec. > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > standard, and is composed > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > the circuit that > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > that when it is played > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > will be flat if the > input was flat. > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > made on any deck and > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > switch. Where the 1000zxl > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > bias adjustment (you need to set > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 23:05:02 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430566.90241.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I have seen my sample of the CR7A calibrating each and every MA-XG I threw at it, every time. I have also noticed that ZXL takes slightly longer for the ma-xgs to custom calibrate esp in the eq range. Its keeps going back and forth for another 10-15 seconds to eq and level. This is perhaps, due to the dual layer of Finavinx partuculate that TDK coated the ma-xg with, as opposed to the single layer on the ma and the ma-r. It may also be that your CR7 may have been adjusted specifically for the MAs. Try demagging it and see. Good luck. Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: That's the crazy thing, The ZXL calibrates every type of tape I have but the CR-7 will only do 5 out of 6 - It's the green MA-XG's that are a problem. (Actually it will manage about 1 in 10 of these) Is this tape a much different type? This was around when the CR-7 came out after all. I wonder if B&W set up the deck for other tapes specifically, which were at the extreme range of adjustment or something? Hence I wondered how this is achieved by the techies? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 23:10:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <8AA66CED-6EAD-4C75-9311-AAFEF60199E1@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <617042.42364.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, Yes the Nak kills the TEAC in its game of calibration and record. I tried them both side by side. The Nak has anunfair advantage of an auto azimuth control, whereas the TEAC has a fixed head. On test recordings the Nak is noticeably more transparent than the TEAC and sounds crisper and smoother than the TEAC Z7000. Finally, I remember having read somewhere that the TEAC Z7000 has three and not four test tones like the Nak. I am not sure though. The only other deck I can recall is the Technics 9900US or the Revox B215, but I am unsure. the Revox might just be it. Bala, Ben, Wouter could you folks help here please? Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I don't know enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what you're thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could read elsewhere made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out slightly better, for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 23:16:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <41E8616F-E821-4DBC-BADC-D5306EC491A4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <985640.97183.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, Even the TEAC cant, I agree. Teac on a bad shell would fare worse than the Naks as they have an azimuth handicap. One look at the TEACs head assembly shows this deficiency. The record and playback heads are separate but not discrete. They are sandwiched inside a common casing and touch each other in the center and that to me is electrical disaster(sound wise) and noise waiting to happen because no amount of shielding can help this set up 100% IMHO. The Naks have physically separate rec/pb heads and are truly discrete, in addition to a floating phase adjustible record head with the help of the ABLE computer. Better in short to avoid bad tapes in any recorder. Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over the heads. I don't think I (or even Ram!) would claim it can account for a really defective tape. I'll bet even your Teac z-7000 won't do a perfect job on those all the time (although it might do better--don't really know).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 23:19:55 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <112686.75448.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Looks like you ve got Orange Cap Issues here on the PCBs. This happened in my ZX7 and now I only use it for playback. Another arena is to look for the head wear. Bala, Tom any suggestions? Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. 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URL: From tansuntjay at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 00:30:44 2007 From: tansuntjay at gmail.com (Tan Sun Tjay) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:30:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009901c7b2c1$7ab9d5e0$0601a8c0@D4LXC55> Or Technics RS AZ 7 (400Hz, 3kHz, 10kHz and 15kHz points automatic tape calibration) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration George, Is it the TEAC Z-7000? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 01:13:45 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:13:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <512689.83327.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10706191235g4b85beb1k667390b1da4c61b@mail.gmail.com> <512689.83327.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10706191613y2e530099l117202b2478e7b02@mail.gmail.com> I think the Technics RS-9900 has only 400Hz and 8kHz. On 6/19/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > You poerhaps referring to the Technics 9900US, because as far as I can > reacall there is no other except may be the TEAC z-7000 which can do this. I > do think, however that the TEAC uses 3 frequencies and not 4 like the zxl. > > Regards, > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > > The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). > > Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a > hint, but you probably don't need it. > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > > by the swith either 70/120usec. > > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > > standard, and is composed > > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > > the circuit that > > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played > back. > > > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > > that when it is played > > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > > will be flat if the > > input was flat. > > > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > > made on any deck and > > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > > switch. Where the 1000zxl > > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > > bias adjustment (you need to set > > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 19 23:18:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]fLAT RESPONSE In-Reply-To: <115204.63196.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am renaming this thread. One reason the old Naks sounded so good in record/play is that the had very flat response, typically +-2db 20-20kHz. The trick was, you had to use specific tapes to get this flat response. While bias can be adjusted to match 15,18, or 20kHz to 400 Hz, other brands and tape types introduced bumps in the response curves. TDK SA and the Maxells UDXLI,II, MX all achieved this flat response. Other tapes like the Fuji or Sony, would test out at +-3db. Memorex, Scotch, Agfa, BASF, and chrome tapes might do as well as +-4db. Agfa especially caused huge problems with Naks. In this era all these vintage tapes are gone, but has that flat response also gone? When I calibrated an old 700 with the newer TDK SAX new label, I could not get anywhere close to flat response. It would be a neat project to test the new tapes with the old machines for flatness. I know many Nak users can hear the tapes which sound best by ear. The test would determine which of the current tapes provide the flat response we enjoy. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:51 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon Kimo, No confusion here. I was referring to the record eq titration for the individual tape in calibration and not the playback eq, because we all know its either 70/120usec on every deck built including the ZXL. As you rightly say, the other non eq calibrationg decks have fixed value set in the factory and the eq adjustable ( or titratable, if I may) decks optimize the record eq to values that aids proper playback characteristics with those 2 settings, to obtain ruler flat 20Hz-20Khz at -20dB record levels. Thanks for clearaing the two parameters of rec/play eq. regards Ram. "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set by the swith either 70/120usec. I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a standard, and is composed of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of the circuit that define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played back. Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so that when it is played back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output will be flat if the input was flat. This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly made on any deck and it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual switch. Where the 1000zxl differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct playback. Decks which don't do autocal have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of adjustment of record EQ. The difference between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic bias adjustment (you need to set the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 03:00:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <476665.73651.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <412628.47945.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The newer cassettes are seriously problematic. Another problem is tape surface condition. I've had brand new Thats MRXP not calibrating due to the tape surface not being in good condition. Eventually,they calibrated on the CR7, but recording turned out to be terrible. Makes no difference. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Yep, Grossly warped shells will throw the azimuth to a non ending spin on any auto azimuth deck. Even tougher to cal on the ZX7/9 series if grossly off azimuth.. although I have got lucky at timnes on the ZX7/9. The newer TDKs with the molded shells are truely horrible. Ram george valkov wrote: Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over the heads. On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape > internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape > types. Any ideas guys? > Use your 1000zxl; that's what it's best at :-).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ben I've no answers but I occasionally get the same problem with the azimuth light not coming on, although on one occasion I found that was because I was trying to set it on the tape leader ... duh ... So, I'm interested as to what might be causing this niggling issue, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 19 June 2007 20:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 03:51:50 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <557570.119.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <320493.24309.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, Sometime ago, there was this short discussion about flat-frequency response. Measuring frequency response opens up a small cans of worm itself just like THD with plenty of variations out there. However, one point seem to nag at me which I confirmed on my ZXL recently. Almost all things analogue which have a flat enough response from 20-20kHz have a wide-band response. Its almost hard for any analogue system to go flat then suddenly start dropping. In order to stay flat and maintain system stability for a given range, you have to have a wide-band response that extends significantly beyond that required range. In all decks, only the ZXL series stands out in this manner - even the production decks go beyond 35 Khz. This is before any enhancement or tweaking is done. On the Limited, it should extend further as the heads were hand picked. No more evident is this fact where Nak pegs their specs for the 1000ZXL at 0.75dB within 20-20kHz. Not bad for a deck which was based mainly on op-amps just a generation after the 741. One has to listen before making judgments, Seems like you listened first Ram. Regards, Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Dear friends, I just thought I 'd post on the Dragon in my own words. I am referring to the statement," flat frequency response". The Dragon has one huge shortcoming compared the ZXL or the Teac Z series decks in obtaining a ruler flat response curve. It ess That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set by the swith either 70/120usec. In reality recorders that calibrate all threee parameters always obtain better frequency response than decks adjusting two( level/bias) values. Moreover, the ZXL adjusts bias by titrating the current to 4 different frequencies including a 20K frequency whereas the Dragon only does 2 ( 400Hz for level and 15Khz for bias)and in addition does an equalization adjustment for the specific tape in use. In my humble opinion the Dragon has another shortcoming and that is related to the playback head which has crammed in 6 channels into the same space as the regular pb heads of other Naks. Lets face it, cramming so many features in the same unit area does cause some drawbacks in terms of frequency response. The only significant advantage the Dragon has over all othger Naks is the double direct drive motors and thats where its edge in playback sometimes shows in addition to the NAAC( which is good and bad IMHO) but here too the ZX9 walks all over the Dragon in the recording arena. I personally prefer to record in theZX9, 680zx or the 700/1000ZXL. The ZXL is the best built (Yes ITS THE BEST BUILT NAK.) The Dragon is the most unorganized crammed piece of electronics put into a box with utter chaos inside and a nightmare for service technicians to repair. The above, of course is purely my opinion and I stand by it. Regards, Ram ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <788922.9642.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Nope not yet although my ZXL limited has that engraved! and thats why u presumed I changed name. I am javing it reengraved Nakamichi ZXL Limted 40017( its serial number) or simply ZXL Limited and 1981 reagrds Ben Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: I Thought Ram had changed his name to John?! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:20:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706191506k7ac854c1m8f694150eeecb852@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <511391.84034.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, We are buddies with common interest and you absolutely do not need to apologize. We learnt something today. Ram george valkov wrote: Apologies to everyone, I managed to dig out some old info and the deck I had in mind uses 3, not 4 test tones - 400 Hz (Level), 4 kHz (EQ) und 17 kHz (Bias). Although I'm pretty sure my techie told me it uses 4 frequencies when he was fixing it. Hmmmm... I sold it together with the user and service manual, so can't check first hand. 1000ZXL rules! George On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I > don't know > enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's > other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what > you're > thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could > read elsewhere > made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out > slightly better, > for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:39:07 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <320493.24309.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554393.16245.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I could not have said it better than the way you put it. And yes folks, I am not as good( not even close) to Bala in technical knowledge or language, but I have sensitive ears and they do give me a tremendous input of what I am listening and my brain does a very primitive job of telling me what sounds better. It almost always gives its approval to the ZXL even in a double blind test my children conduct with me! The ZXL like George just said is leaps and bounds above the rest, including but not limited to the Dragon, CR7 etc....the only other deck coming close being the 680Zx and the 682ZX. Yes Bala, the ZXL limited has a slight edge over the Black regular ZXL too, in that the sound is still open and more refined. I only wish that the ZXL had the( Dragon's) dual direct drive motorized capstans! Regards Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ram, Sometime ago, there was this short discussion about flat-frequency response. Measuring frequency response opens up a small cans of worm itself just like THD with plenty of variations out there. However, one point seem to nag at me which I confirmed on my ZXL recently. Almost all things analogue which have a flat enough response from 20-20kHz have a wide-band response. Its almost hard for any analogue system to go flat then suddenly start dropping. In order to stay flat and maintain system stability for a given range, you have to have a wide-band response that extends significantly beyond that required range. In all decks, only the ZXL series stands out in this manner - even the production decks go beyond 35 Khz. This is before any enhancement or tweaking is done. On the Limited, it should extend further as the heads were hand picked. No more evident is this fact where Nak pegs their specs for the 1000ZXL at 0.75dB within 20-20kHz. Not bad for a deck which was based mainly on op-amps just a generation after the 741. One has to listen before making judgments, Seems like you listened first Ram. Regards, Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Dear friends, I just thought I 'd post on the Dragon in my own words. I am referring to the statement," flat frequency response". The Dragon has one huge shortcoming compared the ZXL or the Teac Z series decks in obtaining a ruler flat response curve. It ess That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set by the swith either 70/120usec. In reality recorders that calibrate all threee parameters always obtain better frequency response than decks adjusting two( level/bias) values. Moreover, the ZXL adjusts bias by titrating the current to 4 different frequencies including a 20K frequency whereas the Dragon only does 2 ( 400Hz for level and 15Khz for bias)and in addition does an equalization adjustment for the specific tape in use. In my humble opinion the Dragon has another shortcoming and that is related to the playback head which has crammed in 6 channels into the same space as the regular pb heads of other Naks. Lets face it, cramming so many features in the same unit area does cause some drawbacks in terms of frequency response. The only significant advantage the Dragon has over all othger Naks is the double direct drive motors and thats where its edge in playback sometimes shows in addition to the NAAC( which is good and bad IMHO) but here too the ZX9 walks all over the Dragon in the recording arena. I personally prefer to record in theZX9, 680zx or the 700/1000ZXL. The ZXL is the best built (Yes ITS THE BEST BUILT NAK.) The Dragon is the most unorganized crammed piece of electronics put into a box with utter chaos inside and a nightmare for service technicians to repair. The above, of course is purely my opinion and I stand by it. Regards, Ram ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:41:32 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <412628.47945.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070620024132.53302.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, In fact some of the newer TDKs( SAs) show a surface irregularity on the tape edges, perhaps due to incorrect( non precise)splitting of the reels in manufacture. the recording sounds garbled and waxes and wanes at times. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: The newer cassettes are seriously problematic. Another problem is tape surface condition. I've had brand new Thats MRXP not calibrating due to the tape surface not being in good condition. Eventually,they calibrated on the CR7, but recording turned out to be terrible. Makes no difference. Bala shanti ramachandran wrote: Yep, Grossly warped shells will throw the azimuth to a non ending spin on any auto azimuth deck. Even tougher to cal on the ZX7/9 series if grossly off azimuth.. although I have got lucky at timnes on the ZX7/9. The newer TDKs with the molded shells are truely horrible. Ram george valkov wrote: Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over the heads. On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape > internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape > types. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:43:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706191613y2e530099l117202b2478e7b02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <935232.9123.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alright then the ZXL is King and the limited is the Emperor of cassette decks! Just kidding. Ram george valkov wrote: I think the Technics RS-9900 has only 400Hz and 8kHz. On 6/19/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > You poerhaps referring to the Technics 9900US, because as far as I can > reacall there is no other except may be the TEAC z-7000 which can do this. I > do think, however that the TEAC uses 3 frequencies and not 4 like the zxl. > > Regards, > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > > The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). > > Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a > hint, but you probably don't need it. > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > > by the swith either 70/120usec. > > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > > standard, and is composed > > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > > the circuit that > > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played > back. > > > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > > that when it is played > > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > > will be flat if the > > input was flat. > > > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > > made on any deck and > > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > > switch. Where the 1000zxl > > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > > bias adjustment (you need to set > > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > You snooze, you lose. 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Regards Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Ben I've no answers but I occasionally get the same problem with the azimuth light not coming on, although on one occasion I found that was because I was trying to set it on the tape leader ... duh ... So, I'm interested as to what might be causing this niggling issue, too. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: 19 June 2007 20:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jun 20 16:59:47 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: <792582.59121.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 20 June 2007 03:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Gra and Ben, Another issue with the ZX9 is that when its on source the azimuth will not light up. Make sure the monitor switch is in tape mode. [Nelson] LOL! I've probably fallen into that trap!! < Also, make sure the eq and the tape type are correctly selected, because that seems to throw the azimuth light off. the correct selection is imperative [Nelson] Good point! I'd observed that but not put two and two together when I spotted the eq selection was wrong. Didn't occur to me that would affect the azimuth light. Cheers Ram, Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 11:05:18 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:05:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <20070620024132.53302.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <412628.47945.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070620024132.53302.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10706200205s79e76a42s45f4dda996fa82e@mail.gmail.com> I don't think the tape formulation makes any difference - a couple of years ago I was unable to calibrate a brand new TDK MA on a Dragon, 1000ZXL and Revox B-215 - tape tracking was so poor. The Luxembourg-made TDK available in Europe is complete crap (The veterans know this is one of my favourite rants -:), so I stopped using them at all. I look only for NOS (New Old Stock) TDKs, preferably produced before 2000. The last generation of EMTECs (Maxima Reference series) before they dropped the metal and the superchrome from their production range were fabulous. Otherwise in Europe we're more or less stuck with the UK-made Maxells - not that they're bad, it's just becoming a hassle to trawl the net for something different to spice things up a bit. The french Sonys are OK, but nothing too exciting. On 6/20/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Yes, > > In fact some of the newer TDKs( SAs) show a surface irregularity on the tape > edges, perhaps due to incorrect( non precise)splitting of the reels in > manufacture. > > the recording sounds garbled and waxes and wanes at times. > > Ram > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > The newer cassettes are seriously problematic. Another problem is tape > surface condition. I've had brand new Thats MRXP not calibrating due to the > tape surface not being in good condition. Eventually,they calibrated on the > CR7, but recording turned out to be terrible. Makes no difference. > > Bala > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > Yep, Grossly warped shells will throw the azimuth to a non ending spin on > any auto azimuth deck. Even tougher to cal on the ZX7/9 series if grossly > off azimuth.. although I have got lucky at timnes on the ZX7/9. > > The newer TDKs with the molded shells are truely horrible. > > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > Even the 1000ZXL cannot help if you are suffering from the standard > sickness of recent production TDK cassettes - warped shells making it > impossible to calibrate them because the tape is travelling all over > the heads. > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of > tape > > internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape > > types. Any ideas guys? > > Use your 1000zxl; that's what it's best at :-).-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 11:29:22 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:29:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 record calibration Message-ID: <518b7b10706200229r3c64b7c3iea35375d76b12e81@mail.gmail.com> Ram, I will throw this one out to the forum, since this is not giving me peace. I have addressed this message also to the Audiotalk group, so if if someone thinks the topic's place is not on Naktalk we can continue there. The deck is the Revox B-215, in case you missed the subject line -:). As I mentioned previously, I sold it along with all the literature, so I am now restricted to the net for my information. I found two conflicting references regarding the frequencies used by the B-215 computer to do bias, EQ and level calibration. One says it does 8 measurements (4 per channel), the other one says 6 measurements. I just spoke with my techie, who last played with it 4 years ago and he is 90% sure it uses 4 test tones. Can someone with a copy of the service manual and sufficient understanding to read the schematics please put me out of my misery ? Graham, maybe you could check with the guy who does Revox work in your part of the island ? This is not about the B-215 being better or worse than a Nak, I just want to know. Thanks, George On 6/20/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > We are buddies with common interest and you absolutely do not need to > apologize. > > We learnt something today. > > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > Apologies to everyone, I managed to dig out some old info and the deck > I had in mind uses 3, not 4 test tones - 400 Hz (Level), 4 kHz (EQ) > und 17 kHz (Bias). > > Although I'm pretty sure my techie told me it uses 4 frequencies when > he was fixing it. Hmmmm... > > I sold it together with the user and service manual, so can't check first > hand. > > 1000ZXL rules! > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > > autocal. > > I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I > > don't know > > enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's > > other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that > what > > you're > > thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could > > read elsewhere > > made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out > > slightly better, > > for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 20 15:16:50 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:16:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport repair In-Reply-To: <8C980D93ABCCB86-1038-FF2D@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use good old fashioned slow curing epoxy. The fast stuff doesn't mix as well. You have to spend some time devising a way to clamp the broken post in place for 24 hours. Do one post at a time. If the eject cable clamp has a crack on one side, epoxy both sides. You might also inquire with Jeff at ESL if he has the Nakamichi repair kits referred to in a bulletin. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] classic transport repair Greetings Tom, Bala, Ram, Wouter and my fellow Nakophiles, I recently came across a very nice 480 with a classic transport that has some of the nylon broken in a couple of places. Tom, I remember a while back you had mentioned fixing these with epoxy. Any particular type or brand you would recommend? And a word to everyone on the list, thanks to all of you for the priceless information you share freely to let us keep these engineering marvels alive. Keep on Nak'in! Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 20 15:32:22 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:32:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: <112686.75448.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The ZX9 uses 400Hz for the azimuth adjustment. A comparator circuit matches the rising edges of a squared off version of the tone. If the edges are both outside a window, no lights will light. An unstable 400Hz tone indicates some problem in the record process, uneven tape travel, or an intermittent oscillator. The azimuth circuit is simply responding to poor recording. It is a common mistake to blame any of Nakamichi's adjustable bells and whistles when something doesn't work as expected. Ram's comment about the ZXL "taking longer to calibrate" on a certain brand of tape does not indicate a problem. If one examines the flow chart for the ABLE adjustments there are many iterative loops. The deck begins with a preset level/bias/eq combination that is designed to be fast on Nakamichi tapes. On other formulations ABLE may have to try 4 or 5 iterations to arrive at flat response. Anyone wanting to watch a ZXL puzzle for a long time needs to load a FeCr Scotch tape or Agfa type 2 (these were bulk loaded cassettes popular in the music industry...red oxide!). Always work on the simple solutions...dirt on the head, etc. before concluding the bell is broken. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Ben, Looks like you ve got Orange Cap Issues here on the PCBs. This happened in my ZX7 and now I only use it for playback. Another arena is to look for the head wear. Bala, Tom any suggestions? Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 14:07:43 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:07:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 Level Problem Again Message-ID: <062020071207.15797.4679188E000F198F00003DB522165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> >>>I'll oper her up later and check the connections to the sockets to see if >>>there's another easy fix. Hey Ben, sorry to hear that you're having a bit of bother with your ZX-9! Whilst you're in there, be sure to shoot a bunch of electronic cleaner into those switches on top, particularly that Tape/Source monitor switch. I plan to do just that when I open my ZX-9 up for general cleaning/inspection! Good Luck! Cheers, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 14:37:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:37:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? Message-ID: <062020071237.7548.46791F9B0004030B00001D7C22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron: Please don't misunderstand -- Recording my own tapes is indeed the primary reason I own a collection of Nak decks. I guess I'm just weird enough that I find it fun to grab a bunch of prerecorded cassettes now and again. It's not expensive at all--they literally cost *pennies*, and it's a nice surprise when you get a few that actually sound OK...nowhere near the quality of tapes that my Naks can make, of course, but certainly nice enough for casual listening whilst I'm rambling around the house, and occasionally very, very good quality sound, like the Horowitz At The Met tape I just picked up. I also like to grab prerecorded tapes to check out artists that I have been wanting to check out. It's a very cheap way to find tons of new music. One more thing... When I haunt these thrift shops and flea markets, I often find tons of vintage blank tape. Most of the time, the tape has only been recorded on once, but I have found brand-new tape, too (even SEALED stuff on occasion). There's nothing like the feeling of finding a really clean Maxell metal tape and handing over 50 cents for it! (happened the other day) Cheers! *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Ron To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection(about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardlyever buy any. What I use the machine for is recordingmy own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly everexactly as is (for that I can listen to the original),but in different combinations. If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I wouldprobably get rid of my deck. I find that in general,their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak'srecordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail onme were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves.Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen andthrew away as many or more. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 20 15:13:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:13:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <062020071237.7548.46791F9B0004030B00001D7C22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <062020071237.7548.46791F9B0004030B00001D7C22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46792804.3090703@rcn.com> Oh, I wasn't poo-pooing your preferences, just relating my own. I, too, enjoy rummaging through old stuff. It just so happens that I hardly ever find a prerecorded cassette I would like to buy, even for the 50 cents that seem to be the going rate nowadays. OTOH... Last Sunday I was going through through the tables in the recent MIT swap meet (also lovingly referred to as 'The Flea'), when I saw a carton filled with a mix of blank cassettes: analog and digital video, as well as audio, of various makes. Imagine my surprise when I saw a sealed Maxell XLII (my favorite cassette. I prefer it even to the XLII-S). The guy wanted 50 cents each (they go on ebay for $5 to $10 each) and even helped me run through the box. We came up with 12 cassettes and one unsealed, which he threw in for free -- all for 6 bucks... I already had enough stock to last me forever and don't really need those, still -- couldn't resist... -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Ron: > > Please don't misunderstand -- Recording my own tapes is indeed the primary reason I own a collection of Nak decks. > > I guess I'm just weird enough that I find it fun to grab a bunch of prerecorded cassettes now and again. It's not expensive at all--they literally cost *pennies*, and it's a nice surprise when you get a few that actually sound OK...nowhere near the quality of tapes that my Naks can make, of course, but certainly nice enough for casual listening whilst I'm rambling around the house, and occasionally very, very good quality sound, like the Horowitz At The Met tape I just picked up. > > I also like to grab prerecorded tapes to check out artists that I have been wanting to check out. It's a very cheap way to find tons of new music. > > One more thing... When I haunt these thrift shops and flea markets, I often find tons of vintage blank tape. Most of the time, the tape has only been recorded on once, but I have found brand-new tape, too (even SEALED stuff on occasion). There's nothing like the feeling of finding a really clean Maxell metal tape and handing over 50 cents for it! (happened the other day) > > Cheers! > > *andy* > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Ron > > To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection(about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardlyever buy any. What I use the machine for is recordingmy own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly everexactly as is (for that I can listen to the original),but in different combinations. > > If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I wouldprobably get rid of my deck. I find that in general,their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak'srecordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail onme were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves.Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen andthrew away as many or more. > > -- Ron > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 19:21:48 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <564913.48278.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anytime Graham. I have worried about the zx9 not working when I failed to press the azimuth button back up and proceeded with a recording and nothing happened at the meters or no sound came from the speakers when on tape! This is one sensitive deck but seldom, if ever, fails to operate. Mine is original with no mods ...never been opened since the Nak company closed her up. I am the second owner and it works flawless. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 20 June 2007 03:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Gra and Ben, Another issue with the ZX9 is that when its on source the azimuth will not light up. Make sure the monitor switch is in tape mode. [Nelson] LOL! I've probably fallen into that trap!! < Also, make sure the eq and the tape type are correctly selected, because that seems to throw the azimuth light off. the correct selection is imperative [Nelson] Good point! I'd observed that but not put two and two together when I spotted the eq selection was wrong. Didn't occur to me that would affect the azimuth light. Cheers Ram, Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jun 20 19:59:41 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 record calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706200229r3c64b7c3iea35375d76b12e81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <370792.77887.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The REVOX B-125 uses three test tones: 400Hz, 4kHz, and 17kHz It will complete the B.L.E. calibration of a tape within 20secs. Mike george valkov wrote: Ram, I will throw this one out to the forum, since this is not giving me peace. I have addressed this message also to the Audiotalk group, so if if someone thinks the topic's place is not on Naktalk we can continue there. The deck is the Revox B-215, in case you missed the subject line -:). As I mentioned previously, I sold it along with all the literature, so I am now restricted to the net for my information. I found two conflicting references regarding the frequencies used by the B-215 computer to do bias, EQ and level calibration. One says it does 8 measurements (4 per channel), the other one says 6 measurements. I just spoke with my techie, who last played with it 4 years ago and he is 90% sure it uses 4 test tones. Can someone with a copy of the service manual and sufficient understanding to read the schematics please put me out of my misery ? Graham, maybe you could check with the guy who does Revox work in your part of the island ? This is not about the B-215 being better or worse than a Nak, I just want to know. Thanks, George On 6/20/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > We are buddies with common interest and you absolutely do not need to > apologize. > > We learnt something today. > > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > Apologies to everyone, I managed to dig out some old info and the deck > I had in mind uses 3, not 4 test tones - 400 Hz (Level), 4 kHz (EQ) > und 17 kHz (Bias). > > Although I'm pretty sure my techie told me it uses 4 frequencies when > he was fixing it. Hmmmm... > > I sold it together with the user and service manual, so can't check first > hand. > > 1000ZXL rules! > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > > autocal. > > I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I > > don't know > > enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's > > other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that > what > > you're > > thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could > > read elsewhere > > made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out > > slightly better, > > for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Wed Jun 20 21:18:59 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:18:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Message-ID: <21136815f448451f9efa6541f270ead3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> But Teac Z-7000 is not the best Teac ever built...despite all bells & whistles ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/19/2007 2:10:52 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Kimo, Yes the Nak kills the TEAC in its game of calibration and record. I tried them both side by side. The Nak has anunfair advantage of an auto azimuth control, whereas the TEAC has a fixed head. On test recordings the Nak is noticeably more transparent than the TEAC and sounds crisper and smoother than the TEAC Z7000. Finally, I remember having read somewhere that the TEAC Z7000 has three and not four test tones like the Nak. I am not sure though. The only other deck I can recall is the Technics 9900US or the Revox B215, but I am unsure. the Revox might just be it. Bala, Ben, Wouter could you folks help here please? Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I don't know enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what you're thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could read elsewhere made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out slightly better, for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From nakamichi at ispwest.com Wed Jun 20 21:35:05 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:35:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Message-ID: Unfortunately it is not the best sounding deck ever made.The most technologically complicated...Yes.I should know,I have them all.It still has that transistory character in sound,especially in midrange.The quality of midrange is the most important aspect in sound reproduction.It is a wonderful deck,no question.Actually the best decks in the world were built before 1978.The latter decks were more advanced,but they suffered in sound,IMHO.There are a few decks out there that can slay most open-reels at 15ips!That is quite incredible for a cassette format.Just my thoughts... Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/19/2007 7:43:19 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Alright then the ZXL is King and the limited is the Emperor of cassette decks! Just kidding. Ram george valkov wrote: I think the Technics RS-9900 has only 400Hz and 8kHz. On 6/19/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > You poerhaps referring to the Technics 9900US, because as far as I can > reacall there is no other except may be the TEAC z-7000 which can do this. I > do think, however that the TEAC uses 3 frequencies and not 4 like the zxl. > > Regards, > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > > The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). > > Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a > hint, but you probably don't need it. > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > > by the swith either 70/120usec. > > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > > standard, and is composed > > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > > the circuit that > > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played > back. > > > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > > that when it is played > > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > > will be flat if the > > input was flat. > > > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > > made on any deck and > > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > > switch. Where the 1000zxl > > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > > bias adjustment (you need to set > > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 01:04:22 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revox B-215 record calibration In-Reply-To: <518b7b10706200229r3c64b7c3iea35375d76b12e81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <521749.69866.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, Look up the info on google about the revox b215 and you will see it has 3 tones while calibration and not four. You were correct yesterday the highest tone in it was 17Khz.The Teac has 3 too( Z7000) Thanks Ram george valkov wrote: Ram, I will throw this one out to the forum, since this is not giving me peace. I have addressed this message also to the Audiotalk group, so if if someone thinks the topic's place is not on Naktalk we can continue there. The deck is the Revox B-215, in case you missed the subject line -:). As I mentioned previously, I sold it along with all the literature, so I am now restricted to the net for my information. I found two conflicting references regarding the frequencies used by the B-215 computer to do bias, EQ and level calibration. One says it does 8 measurements (4 per channel), the other one says 6 measurements. I just spoke with my techie, who last played with it 4 years ago and he is 90% sure it uses 4 test tones. Can someone with a copy of the service manual and sufficient understanding to read the schematics please put me out of my misery ? Graham, maybe you could check with the guy who does Revox work in your part of the island ? This is not about the B-215 being better or worse than a Nak, I just want to know. Thanks, George On 6/20/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > We are buddies with common interest and you absolutely do not need to > apologize. > > We learnt something today. > > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > Apologies to everyone, I managed to dig out some old info and the deck > I had in mind uses 3, not 4 test tones - 400 Hz (Level), 4 kHz (EQ) > und 17 kHz (Bias). > > Although I'm pretty sure my techie told me it uses 4 frequencies when > he was fixing it. Hmmmm... > > I sold it together with the user and service manual, so can't check first > hand. > > 1000ZXL rules! > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > > autocal. > > I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I > > don't know > > enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's > > other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that > what > > you're > > thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could > > read elsewhere > > made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out > > slightly better, > > for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Jun 21 01:19:37 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:19:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi jeff.. i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! regards adrian On 20 Jun 2007, at 18:41, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jun 21 01:41:39 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <21136815f448451f9efa6541f270ead3.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <481656.59691.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So in your opinion which one is the best deck that TEAC ever built? Thanks. Mike "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: But Teac Z-7000 is not the best Teac ever built...despite all bells & whistles ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/19/2007 2:10:52 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Kimo, Yes the Nak kills the TEAC in its game of calibration and record. I tried them both side by side. The Nak has anunfair advantage of an auto azimuth control, whereas the TEAC has a fixed head. On test recordings the Nak is noticeably more transparent than the TEAC and sounds crisper and smoother than the TEAC Z7000. Finally, I remember having read somewhere that the TEAC Z7000 has three and not four test tones like the Nak. I am not sure though. The only other deck I can recall is the Technics 9900US or the Revox B215, but I am unsure. the Revox might just be it. Bala, Ben, Wouter could you folks help here please? Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I don't know enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what you're thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could read elsewhere made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out slightly better, for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 01:10:28 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <387628.56092.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Tom, I have sometimes seen the zxl lights flash after 70 seconds or so on sony FECR tapes. And it never seems to solve the puzzle. In fact nakamichi manuals clearly prohibit use of ferrichromes on naks after 1979 make. ram hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: The ZX9 uses 400Hz for the azimuth adjustment. A comparator circuit matches the rising edges of a squared off version of the tone. If the edges are both outside a window, no lights will light. An unstable 400Hz tone indicates some problem in the record process, uneven tape travel, or an intermittent oscillator. The azimuth circuit is simply responding to poor recording. It is a common mistake to blame any of Nakamichi's adjustable bells and whistles when something doesn't work as expected. Ram's comment about the ZXL "taking longer to calibrate" on a certain brand of tape does not indicate a problem. If one examines the flow chart for the ABLE adjustments there are many iterative loops. The deck begins with a preset level/bias/eq combination that is designed to be fast on Nakamichi tapes. On other formulations ABLE may have to try 4 or 5 iterations to arrive at flat response. Anyone wanting to watch a ZXL puzzle for a long time needs to load a FeCr Scotch tape or Agfa type 2 (these were bulk loaded cassettes popular in the music industry...red oxide!). Always work on the simple solutions...dirt on the head, etc. before concluding the bell is broken. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Ben, Looks like you ve got Orange Cap Issues here on the PCBs. This happened in my ZX7 and now I only use it for playback. Another arena is to look for the head wear. Bala, Tom any suggestions? Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Graham, Thanks for your suggestions. Got home from work, put deck on the bench, opened her up and then found - NOTHING wrong! Hooked her up the garage system, and found the receiver not working - unable to clear the safety circuit! Sorted that then the deck was fine. Back inside, all new interconnects fitted still not working properly. Eventually found the Tape 2 input plugs on the switching unit U/S. Hooked the deck upto Tape 1 - BINGO all ok. Loaded tape and started to do azumuth procedure - A NEW PROBLEM. Perhaps the deck was built in a Voodoo cult place somewhere in Haiti. When you press the azimuth button in, no azimuth lights come on? releasing the button turns on the test tones that were easy to set. Instead of pressing reset, if I went to azimuth again, the azimuth lights were lighting up for 1 second then going off. I used this indication to position the azimuth and reset level and bias. Kept repeating about 20 times until the azimuth position was found to be stable and then set level / bias and started recording ok. Sounds excellent. Obviously something is wrong in the azimuth control area - leaking capacitor? Also why do the azimuth lights not come on when first selected? Also, occasionally the level tone was not steady but jumping about? Tone Oscillator problem? Please guys HELP to get this haunted deck back to normal. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 21 02:30:50 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:30:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! Message-ID: <0C8E72CB-B00F-4D0C-B0C2-772E83835CEA@alumni.caltech.edu> > I have sometimes seen the zxl lights flash after 70 seconds or so > on sony FECR tapes. And it never seems to solve the puzzle. > > In fact nakamichi manuals clearly prohibit use of ferrichromes on > naks after 1979 > make. > ram Where did you see a prohibition (maybe it isn't listed, but I don't recall an outright prohibition)? I only have one old FeCr Scotch Master III and I don't recall having any problem with it the last time I tried (been a while, though; maybe I should try again), at least as far as getting through the autocal.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 02:34:35 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <312553.96770.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you saying that the Nak 1000zxl and its limited sibling are not the best cassette deck ever built? Or were you referring to the Teac Z7000? I agree if you are referring to the Teacs midrange. The ZXL is pure musicality from 10Hz to 26000 Hz....smooth and clean and crisp all the way. It puts a $4000-$5000 cd player hide in shame! Thanks Ram "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: Unfortunately it is not the best sounding deck ever made.The most technologically complicated...Yes.I should know,I have them all.It still has that transistory character in sound,especially in midrange.The quality of midrange is the most important aspect in sound reproduction.It is a wonderful deck,no question.Actually the best decks in the world were built before 1978.The latter decks were more advanced,but they suffered in sound,IMHO.There are a few decks out there that can slay most open-reels at 15ips!That is quite incredible for a cassette format.Just my thoughts... Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/19/2007 7:43:19 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Alright then the ZXL is King and the limited is the Emperor of cassette decks! Just kidding. Ram george valkov wrote: I think the Technics RS-9900 has only 400Hz and 8kHz. On 6/19/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > You poerhaps referring to the Technics 9900US, because as far as I can > reacall there is no other except may be the TEAC z-7000 which can do this. I > do think, however that the TEAC uses 3 frequencies and not 4 like the zxl. > > Regards, > Ram > > george valkov wrote: > OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I > don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during > autocal. > > The deck I am thinking of is not even a Nak (shock, horror). > > Can you guys work out which one I am thinking of ? I can give you a > hint, but you probably don't need it. > > George > > On 6/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > > That shortcoming is a fixed equalization that is set > > by the swith either 70/120usec. > > I think you're confusing record EQ and playback EQ. Playback EQ is a > > standard, and is composed > > of the two curves you mention: the number reference certain parameters of > > the circuit that > > define how the signal from the tape will be treated when it is played > back. > > > > Record EQ is what is applied to the signal before it goes on the tape so > > that when it is played > > back and the 70 or 120us emphasis is applied, the resulting final output > > will be flat if the > > input was flat. > > > > This is what allows you to play back a tape (at least in theory) properly > > made on any deck and > > it should sound OK as long as you choose the matching one. > > > > Thus, even the 1000zxl has a fixed 70 or 120us playback EQ with a manual > > switch. Where the 1000zxl > > differs is how it decides what the record EQ will be to get the correct > > playback. Decks which don't do autocal > > have circuitry within the deck that either isn't adjustable (well, it's > > adjustable by switching parts on the circuit board) > > or it might be adjustable at some points by someone with the proper > > equipment. The 1000zxl (and to a lesser extent > > the 700zxl) provides the proper equipment and a service technician (in the > > form of the CPU and, more importantly, the code > > on the ROM in the CPU) within the 1000zxl box itself do do this kind of > > adjustment of record EQ. The difference > > between the 700zxl and the 1000zxl is that the 700zxl does less automatic > > bias adjustment (you need to set > > the broad range of of bias you're in, i.e. Type 1 (or 3), Type 2, or Type > > 4), and it only checks experimentally at 3 points > > rather than 4, for adjusting record EQ.-kby > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > You snooze, you lose. 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May be the gurus Bala etc..could shed some light on this one. Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Thanks Ram, Checked all these and no silly mistakes thankfully. What I don't understand still is why when pressing the azimuth button - no lights come on. Heads cleaned and demagged etc. Switches right, procedure followed to the letter, used 3 different tape typed. Zilch. Test Tone seems to be steady now but no azimuth lights. Any more theories? Thanks, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 02:38:10 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration In-Reply-To: <481656.59691.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <298581.87412.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> LENA WONG wrote: So in your opinion which one is the best deck that TEAC ever built? Thanks. Mike "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: But Teac Z-7000 is not the best Teac ever built...despite all bells & whistles ------- Original Message ------- >From : shanti ramachandran[mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com] Sent : 6/19/2007 2:10:52 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Record EQ calibration Kimo, Yes the Nak kills the TEAC in its game of calibration and record. I tried them both side by side. The Nak has anunfair advantage of an auto azimuth control, whereas the TEAC has a fixed head. On test recordings the Nak is noticeably more transparent than the TEAC and sounds crisper and smoother than the TEAC Z7000. Finally, I remember having read somewhere that the TEAC Z7000 has three and not four test tones like the Nak. I am not sure though. The only other deck I can recall is the Technics 9900US or the Revox B215, but I am unsure. the Revox might just be it. Bala, Ben, Wouter could you folks help here please? Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: OK, I'm willing to risk the wrath of the 1000ZXL brigade yet again - I don't think the 1000ZXL is unique in utilising 4 frequencies during autocal. I wasn't trying to claim it was unique among all (even) cassette decks; I don't know enough other decks to say that. However, with your hint and using Wouter's other site (commerciall....) it only picks up the Teac Z-7000; is that what you're thinking of (I couldn't actually find what it adjusts at, but what I could read elsewhere made it sound like a likely candidate). I think the naks actually spec out slightly better, for what that's worth, but the on-board dbx could be nice.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 02:40:05 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: <0C8E72CB-B00F-4D0C-B0C2-772E83835CEA@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <836029.46664.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, My CR7, Dragon manuals say ,"not recommended" Sorry for the use of the word prohibited. May be I was too strong. Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > I have sometimes seen the zxl lights flash after 70 seconds or so > on sony FECR tapes. And it never seems to solve the puzzle. > > In fact nakamichi manuals clearly prohibit use of ferrichromes on > naks after 1979 > make. > ram Where did you see a prohibition (maybe it isn't listed, but I don't recall an outright prohibition)? I only have one old FeCr Scotch Master III and I don't recall having any problem with it the last time I tried (been a while, though; maybe I should try again), at least as far as getting through the autocal.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 21 02:37:35 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:37:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 05:05:19 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:05:19 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Bala In-Reply-To: <880516.6919.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at windsupmv.com Thu Jun 21 02:59:14 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:59:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon record problem Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070620205738.00c366a0@pop.registeredsite.com> Hi, Dragon plays, but will not record or calibrate; record mute lamp stays lit. Erase is working. Solutions? Thanks. Geoff From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jun 21 13:03:28 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:03:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: <676371.12336.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <676371.12336.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467A5B00.1060701@peromarta.org> ZX9 needs a calibration of the azimuth comparator, it may be the fault. You need to go trough a complete alignment / calibration to further diagnose the problem. rgds, LP. > > */Benstratford at aol.com/* wrote: > > Thanks Ram, Checked all these and no silly mistakes thankfully. > What I don't understand still is why when pressing the azimuth > button - no lights come on. > Heads cleaned and demagged etc. Switches right, procedure followed > to the letter, used 3 different tape typed. Zilch. Test Tone seems > to be steady now but no azimuth lights. > Any more theories? > Thanks, Ben > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Jun 21 12:43:39 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:43:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D63E78-F923-4FA8-B1CA-5BBBE6FE1437@thegreatbear.net> it's a company called Prolong... www.prolong.com their site is not too good and doesn't have the product in their online store - it's available here though: http://www.trailerdiscounters.com/prolong.htm I've had good experiences with it - I know others have used it before on their naks, check the archives adrian the multi-purpose one is in the household section of the products... On 21 Jun 2007, at 01:37, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From benstratford at aol.com Thu Jun 21 10:51:39 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:51:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jeff, Search for "Prolong Precision Oil" http://www.prolongnet.com/precision%20oiler.htm I Use it Too, Found a UK supplier but it's available most places. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it  comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting  a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! What brand is that?  I'd like to buy it online if I can. Jeff See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it  comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting  a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! What brand is that?  I'd like to buy it online if I can. Jeff See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Jun 21 13:28:01 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:28:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! In-Reply-To: <467A5B00.1060701@peromarta.org> References: <676371.12336.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <467A5B00.1060701@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <8C9820E5C56C056-CA8-15259@webmail-mf04.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Luis, When you go through the calibration procedure, if you ignore azimuth adjustment the first time as there are no lights to guide you, after setting level / bias, if you do not press reset but press azimuth, the azimuth lights will come on momentarily to indicate the azimuth position.  I can use this to align the azimuth if i repeat a few times until the centre red light appears.  After this, obviously pressing reset will rewind the tape, the azimuth / level / bias are then spot on. It's as if the normal selection does not energise the azimuth alignment part but this different way is allowing some charging of the components before being consumed / leakage?  (Probably talking out of my ar*e here! Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12.03pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Azimuth Problem NOW!! ZX9 needs a calibration of the azimuth comparator, it may be the fault.    You need to go trough a complete alignment / calibration to further diagnose the problem.    rgds, LP.    > > */Benstratford at aol.com/* wrote:  > > Thanks Ram, Checked all these and no silly mistakes thankfully. > What I don't understand still is why when pressing the azimuth  > button - no lights come on.  > Heads cleaned and demagged etc. Switches right, procedure followed  > to the letter, used 3 different tape typed. Zilch. Test Tone seems  > to be steady now but no azimuth lights.  > Any more theories?  > Thanks, Ben  > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 17:28:58 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:28:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <017d01c7b418$e3da0740$0307a8c0@DR1> Hi Adrian, Thanks for the info. Do you have the specific brand name and a source? Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk hi jeff.. i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! regards adrian On 20 Jun 2007, at 18:41, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 14:47:09 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <858556.29458.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> you can do a Google search on Pro long. I bought some prolong SPL 100 for my BX-300 and cleaned out my capstans with a pipe cleaners and then applied some of the prolong and was good to go. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for putting a drop in tight places.. it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avraham at gbis.com Thu Jun 21 21:09:28 2007 From: avraham at gbis.com (Steven Weidman) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:09:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers Message-ID: <467ACCE8.4010303@gbis.com> Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. Steven From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 21 21:11:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:11:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk Message-ID: Thanks to everybody who gave the info on Prolong Precision Oil. I know it sounded like a dumb question, but I once bought a 2-head BX-something on eBay which had been lubricated with some kind of gunk which messed it up. That made me more aware of using exactly the right lubricant for a job. I also once bought a BX-something on eBay which had a rubber band for a drive belt, but that's another story. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise, there would be no point in owning a Nak at all, don't you think? *andy* From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Jun 22 00:24:19 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:24:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wow.. those have seen better days - i wonder what sort of music they duplicated - i didn't think large operations went in for this kind of quality? adrian On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:44, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Jun 22 00:26:30 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:26:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: <467ACCE8.4010303@gbis.com> References: <467ACCE8.4010303@gbis.com> Message-ID: hi - i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or someone said Tom has some available? adrian On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > Steven > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 22 00:17:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:17:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? I listen to music. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 02:12:50 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:12:50 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <062120072041.26443.467AE294000ADDA00000674B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Jun 22 00:53:49 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:53:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <062120072041.26443.467AE294000ADDA00000674B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy, With several vintage decks in the loop, today's rotation included a Nakamichi 580. Selections included, but not limited to, (what I recall anyway) =;-) Prerecorded tapes... Doobie Bros - The Captain and Me Cat Stevens - Teaser and the Fire Cat Bad Company - Bad Company Foreigner - Agent Provocateur Dupes from vinyl... Thomas Dolby - The Flat Earth XTC - English Settlement Lucinda Williams - World Without Tears Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? Come on, folks -- we can't all be just tweaking and fixing these things. There has to be some listening going on, too! Otherwise, there would be no point in owning a Nak at all, don't you think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Fri Jun 22 00:33:31 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:33:31 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8046E0F0511B409A8A21E9365EE12726@TEC> Stunning! 99p should get them, if you have room and a truck. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? Get a load of this one fellas, on you know where!! Item No: 230145310377 Cheers, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gvgeoffward at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 01:13:37 2007 From: gvgeoffward at yahoo.com (Geoff Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <062120072041.26443.467AE294000ADDA00000674B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <115666.24688.qm@web57703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> As a very occassional "poster" to the Naktalk forum I'll take a leap out into the ether...my musical preferences of late have been leaning towards jazz. I recorded a local musician, Shay Dillion, a while back and have been enjoying this recording more often than not of late. Kind of a cross between Ricky Lee Jones and the vocalist from the Headpins. Cheers, Geoff hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? Come on, folks -- we can't all be just tweaking and fixing these things. There has to be some listening going on, too! Otherwise, there would be no point in owning a Nak at all, don't you think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 22 00:40:58 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:40:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? References: Message-ID: <01ee01c7b455$3d0bc5b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> They don't exactly look 'mint' but I guess their availability may impact values in the short term if all they need is a lube & new idler OR they will merely provide further sources of s/h spares for an enterprising purchaser [with their own large storage area] Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? Get a load of this one fellas, on you know where!! Item No: 230145310377 Cheers, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 20/06/2007 14:18 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 22 03:46:52 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713560.27853.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> rock & roll fan here. Santana, Doors. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? I listen to music. JW --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at windsupmv.com Fri Jun 22 05:36:05 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:36:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070621233311.00c59a18@pop.registeredsite.com> Hello, anyone around???? I just got this new dragon and it has no sound on record. no calibration tone, and the record mute light comes on when I try to record. I bet someone here knows what's up with this.; Please help.... Geoff From benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 22 08:56:25 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:56:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C982B195C9CDB5-360-171B7@WEBMAIL-RE18.sysops.aol.com> Andy FWIW, most recently: Sex Pistols, Chicago, Toto, U2, Brian Adams & The Sound Track From Evita. Mainly on CR-7 Now I am confident in it's abilities (Interconnect Problem!) and want to appreciate how it sounds.  ZXL Which does produce a more powerful sound and the ZX-9 while trying to get the azimuth aligned.  Want to get some classical music to try out the decks with but alas I don't know the first thing about it.  I've started lisening to it in the car though to see if there are particular areas of appeal, nothing as yet defined. Cheers, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 22 09:03:15 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:03:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20070621233311.00c59a18@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20070621233311.00c59a18@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <8C982B28A130395-360-171C6@WEBMAIL-RE18.sysops.aol.com> Geoff, It will not be what you want to hear, but really impossible to tell without having it on the bench.  Best Bet is to send it to Tom. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: geoff at windsupmv.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 4.36am Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record Hello, anyone around???? I just got this new dragon and it has no sound on record. no calibration tone, and the record mute light comes on when I try to record. I bet someone here knows what's up with this.; Please help....    Geoff    ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  -----Original Message----- From: geoff at windsupmv.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 4.36am Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record Hello, anyone around???? I just got this new dragon and it has no sound on record. no calibration tone, and the record mute light comes on when I try to record. I bet someone here knows what's up with this.; Please help....    Geoff    ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jun 22 09:56:52 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:56:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... Message-ID: Hmmm, good point Andy!! I consider myself appropriately s-upon! I don't put much in the way of pre-recorded tapes in my Naks - the demands placed on a Nak by a recording that has been made on a bin-loop duplicator are very light - there are some good pre-recordeds in my collection. But the phenomenol combination of technologies that make a Nak what it is really become obvious when you record from good sources. For instance, at the weekend I was playing a recording done a while ago by a friend (on his Nak CR7) to a Simply Vinyl pressing of Tommy by the Who. I played back on my Nak 480Z. This is like having your ears syringed!! Simply beyond compare. Here's the data from the A-side of the J-Card: TAPE TITLE_TOMMY/THE WHO_TAPE TYPE BASF Reference Maxima TPII DATE/TIME___21/12/2002 ______ NOISE REDUCTION___Dolby C_______ SOURCE_Linn/SME IV/Trfg Esprit _ RECORDER__ Nakamichi CR-7E_____ SIDE A (SIDE B INFORMATION OVERLEAF) No Track Title Artist 1 Overture 3:50 "The Who" 2 It's a boy 2:07 Simply Vinyl 180g Pressing 3 1921 3:14 4 Amazing Journey 3:25 Linn LP12, SME IV Arm 5 Sparks 3:45 Transfiguration Esprit Cart, (120ohm 1,3mV) 6 The Hawker 2:15 7 Christmas 5:30 Linn Lingo PS, Ringmat, 8 Cousin Kevin 4:03 9.The Acid Queen 3:31 Eurekon MC001 P/stage 10 Underture 9:55 Genesis Bal. Sol.Silver 11 Do you think it's alright? 0:24 Jeff Rowland "Consummate" Pre-amp 12 Fiddle About 1:26 13. Pinball Wizard 3:50 14 There's a doctor 0:25 Nakamichi CR-7E Title/Artist:_ TOMMY/THE WHO _____Date_______21/12/2002 ___ Recorder:___Nakamichi CR7E NR______Dolby C________ Sometime I get music from the local lending library and if I like the performance, then I retain a magnetic image of it for research purposes..........OK, so I pirate it. This one is a record I bought for R2 (US$0.50) - excellent pressing - mine was near new. TAPE TITLE Beethoven:String Quartets No.9 & 11 TYPE TDK CDing II(Sp.Ed.) DATE/TIME___18 November 2006 ___ NOISE REDUCTION_____ Dolby B__ SOURCE_TEAC PX-550/Shure Me75EJII RECORDER__Nakamichi 682ZX ___ SIDE A (SIDE B INFORMATION OVERLEAF) No Track Title Artist Ludwig van Beethoven String Quartets No 9 and 11 The Drole Quartet 1 Quartet No. 9 in C: Op. 59 No. 3: 1st Movt. 2 "Rasumovsky" 2nd Movt. 3 3rd Movt. Recorded by EMI/ Electorla, 1960 1992 EMI Vinyl, 150g 4 Quartet No. 11 in F Minor: Op.95 1st Movt. 5 *Serioso" (starts) 2ndMovt. 6 Completed on Side B Title/Artist: Beethoven: Op. 59&95/Drole Quartet Date_18 November 2006 Recorder:___ Nakamichi 682ZX _________NR__Dolby B______ I also listen to tape recordings on other machines - and especially like Dolby S (Pioneer and Sony). I listen to most types of music - jazz, classical, rock, (esp.progressive), pop, blues, - I avoid rap with the silent C and obviously there's plenty of fairly poor musical efforts out there in all genres which are not worth buying. Like Ron, I mainly like to assemble my own compilations and then listen to them on tape. Andy, you mentioned "EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL: WALKING WOUNDED ". I have that album and enjoy it very much - didn't know what to make of it at the start - but well engineered to say the least and an excellent buy. Dennis listed Teaser and the Firecat - got that on a pre-recorded and technically, it's unexpectedly good, I must agree. Also have that and other Cat Stevens on new vinyl. Recent listening: My ex-wife did a recording of a Quebecois group, Les Cowboys Fringants on a Sony SMM for me - fantastic!! Don't miss these guys; incredible passion and drive. Also the superb French folk singer "Moustaki"on SSMM. Her deck is a fairly high-end Aiwa. I taught her well....... All the best - Marc >>> hwbosshoss at comcast.net 6/21/2007 10:41:56 PM >>> ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? Come on, folks -- we can't all be just tweaking and fixing these things. There has to be some listening going on, too! Otherwise, there would be no point in owning a Nak at all, don't you think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 22 11:06:23 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:06:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <8C982B195C9CDB5-360-171B7@WEBMAIL-RE18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c7b4ac$9c391630$7300a8c0@Shaun> Andy, My favourites tapes that I play on my Nak are John Williams (classical guitar and Sky band recordings), BBC live broadcasts of oratorios and classicals, Pink Floyd, Rita Coolidge, Boz Scaggs, The Eagles, Abba, Cat Stevens, Dave Edmunds, Dolly Parton, Elton John (from start up to Blue Moves Album), Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Helen Reddy, Joe Walsh, John Miles, Kate Bush, Lionel Ritchie, Nina Simone, Rod Stewart, Rock Follies, Roy Buchanan, Status Quo, Supertramp, Steve Harley (& Cockney Rebel), The Carpenters, The Shadows, Toto, Barclay James Harvest, Queen, Cliff Richard, Carol King, Elkie Brooks, Gerrey Rafferty, ELO, The Moody Blues, The Beatles, The Bee Gees, George Harrison, The Dixie Chicks, Rod Stewart, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Dionne Warwick, Jean Michel Jarre and Focus. Phew! Well, you did ask. 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Wouter hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > ...What are we listening to? > > From s.parkin at sheffield.ac.uk Fri Jun 22 15:02:26 2007 From: s.parkin at sheffield.ac.uk (Stephen Parkin) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:02:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] THe mind boggles!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <467BC862.80905@sheffield.ac.uk> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/78-NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECKS-not-working-for-spares-NR_W0QQitemZ230145310377QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Stephen Parkin Chief Technician Academic Unit of Clinical Pharmacology University of Sheffield S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 22 15:05:48 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:05:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <713560.27853.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <713560.27853.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467BC92C.5010702@rcn.com> >*/Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > ...What are we listening to? > > > I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded > with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. > > Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? > I have a very limited musical taste: classical (mostly, from Mozart to Stravinsky. Next to nothing pre-baroque or super modern). Jazz in small doses (traditional, blues) and vocal of all ages (from opera and to musical shows). The CR-7 serves the same purpose as all other source devices: serving up the same kind of music I like. It sits on the audio side of the system, just under the turntable and above the carousel CD player. The video side is comprised of a DVD player that also serves for higher quality CD listening, a S-VHS VCR, a laser disc player and an HDTV cable box. As you can see, movies play a serious part in my entertainment world. Additional music is provided by two FM tuners and 30 odd 'CD quality' channels from the cable box The media collection includes about 750 LPs, 250 CDs, a similiar number of DVDs (but most are movies, Only about 50 are of operas, ballets or musical shows), over 300 video cassettes (less than 50 of musical value) and maybe 250-300 audio cassettes (less than half prerecorded. Quite a few are compilations of music I won on LPs or CDs). Truth be told, the CR-7, that used to be a major player (pun intended) in this system, has now been demoted to a 'has been' status -- something that has never happened (as yet) to the turntable. -- Ron From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 15:21:16 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <740194.16461.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Blood racing!...hmmm I never thought of putting it that way, but its so true about the ZXL. Well put. Ram Bernard White wrote: I listen to mostly classical music. Nothing tests hi fi like big forces, where there is so much going on. As I've mentioned before on this site, a relatively small ensemble of jazz musicians or other group can easily sound wonderfully clear; but try a recording of a large orchestra with choir or choirs plus solo singers and THAT will really show what your equipment can do. I like my two Naks (DR 10 and 1000ZXL), but for me the music is the primary thing. However, I'll admit that sometimes I'll put something on on the ZXL just to delight in watching and hearing it. The ZXL is not working perfectly - and when you get the time, Bala, I'm sure you'll fulfill your promise to write out some suggestions for repair - but it still is a machine that gets the blood racing. I think violins often sound awful on CD: some string quartets are very harsh on the ear through that medium. Analogue is the way to go there, no doubt about it. But pianos fare much better on CD, where the very low WF is essential to a good piano sound. If you want to test your WF figures by ear only, use a piano recording. Bernard White --------------------------------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 15:53:15 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:53:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But pianos fare much better on CD, where the very low WF is essential to a good piano sound. If you want to test your WF figures by ear only, use a piano recording.[Nelson] Quite so! Remarkably, my old Lenco's L75 and L78 easily beat my ex-Pink Triangle PT TOO in this respect; therefore, when I want to make an dubs of classical piano, I use the Lenco 78. Gra' Bernard White ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jun 22 17:03:37 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:03:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] THe mind boggles!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <467BC862.80905@sheffield.ac.uk> References: <467BC862.80905@sheffield.ac.uk> Message-ID: <467BE4C9.7070700@peromarta.org> The MR-1s and BX-300s are definitively worth looking at. If I lived in UK I would bid and pick them up myself, bild some working machines of both models, and donate the rest as spares. By the way, I won't be online for a few days, so anyone writing please forgive me if I am slow to respond to email. Best rgds, LP. Stephen Parkin escribió: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/78-NAKAMICHI-CASSETTE-DECKS-not-working-for-spares-NR_W0QQitemZ230145310377QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jun 22 17:06:34 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:06:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record In-Reply-To: <8C982B28A130395-360-171C6@WEBMAIL-RE18.sysops.aol.com> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20070621233311.00c59a18@pop.registeredsite.com> <8C982B28A130395-360-171C6@WEBMAIL-RE18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <467BE57A.3080708@peromarta.org> Or to me if you live in Europe ;) Best rgds, LP. benstratford at aol.com escribió: > Geoff, > It will not be what you want to hear, but really impossible to tell > without having it on the bench. Best Bet is to send it to Tom. > Best Regards, Ben > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: geoff at windsupmv.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 4.36am > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record > > Hello, anyone around???? I just got this new dragon and it has no sound > on record. no calibration tone, and the record mute light comes on when > I try to record. I bet someone here knows what's up with this.; Please > help.... > > Geoff > From geoff at windsupmv.com Fri Jun 22 15:46:00 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:46:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon won't record Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070622094201.00c236c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Ben, You are right it is not what I wanted to hear. I can do some electronic work, I was wondering where the best place to start for a dragon that is in mute only on record but is fine in play. Itls ok if there is more than one possibility, but has no one here experienced a similar problem? Thanks.\ Geoff From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 22 17:20:37 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <467BC92C.5010702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <964140.98081.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, You mentioned the music channels on the cable box. I have comcast digital cable with the music channels but they don't sound very good. Other people cannot hear the difference but to me it sounds compressed (lack of a better term) so I never listen to them. Have you noticed anything like that? Bob Ron wrote: >*/Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > ...What are we listening to? > > > I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded > with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. > > Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? > I have a very limited musical taste: classical (mostly, from Mozart to Stravinsky. Next to nothing pre-baroque or super modern). Jazz in small doses (traditional, blues) and vocal of all ages (from opera and to musical shows). The CR-7 serves the same purpose as all other source devices: serving up the same kind of music I like. It sits on the audio side of the system, just under the turntable and above the carousel CD player. The video side is comprised of a DVD player that also serves for higher quality CD listening, a S-VHS VCR, a laser disc player and an HDTV cable box. As you can see, movies play a serious part in my entertainment world. Additional music is provided by two FM tuners and 30 odd 'CD quality' channels from the cable box The media collection includes about 750 LPs, 250 CDs, a similiar number of DVDs (but most are movies, Only about 50 are of operas, ballets or musical shows), over 300 video cassettes (less than 50 of musical value) and maybe 250-300 audio cassettes (less than half prerecorded. Quite a few are compilations of music I won on LPs or CDs). Truth be told, the CR-7, that used to be a major player (pun intended) in this system, has now been demoted to a 'has been' status -- something that has never happened (as yet) to the turntable. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 22 17:39:48 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:39:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record Message-ID: Of Course Luis, Sorry to all of you who are servicing our treasures out there, I was just talking from prior personal experience. In fact, why do we not start a list of services offered (by those tech's that would like to do this) to enlighted the wider audience of the possibilities for servicing and repair. If we had a linked site to Naktalk that listed these we could possibly link belts, lubricants, lamps and other component suppliers to compile a one stop shop for the future. How about it? Remote control options, interconnect preferences - tho possibilities are endless. The suppliers may also want to advertise? Too Many Beers Probably!! Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 17:49:34 2007 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <467BC92C.5010702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <436102.32825.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: ...What are we listening to? I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? I to was disappointed...last week I asked what members felt was a reasonable amount to spend on a deck purchased off e-bay or anywhere else to get it up to speed... My music taste are very eclectic...in the last week I have listen to the sound track from Camelot; Sting; Eric Clampton; Chicago; Credence Clear Water; Stevie Ray Vaugh; Tony Bennett; and the Ramsey Lewis Trio. I have cued up Richard Elliot; Jeff Golub; Wayman Tisdale; Chris Botti; Mindi Abair; Marc Antoine; Nick Colionne to name a few. I have recorded all of these either on a ZX-7 or 682zx, and I play back on all my recorders. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 22 17:22:39 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:22:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A very interesting comment about violins on cd. I concur! Often the recording engineers record strings from above, to get that "CD resolution and clarity", but the digital process adds even more unnatural glare which the musician works for years to tame! Listen to piano attacks on CD and compare to a good, uncompressed record. On CD the attacks have an added, fatiguing distortion that I sense more than hear. I believe dubbing CD to tape filters this attack distortion without altering the original timbre. Try coparing a favorite piano cd to a cassette dub of the same cd, and let us know which medium you can listen to forever. CD in general just wears out my ears. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bernard White Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... I listen to mostly classical music. Nothing tests hi fi like big forces, where there is so much going on. As I've mentioned before on this site, a relatively small ensemble of jazz musicians or other group can easily sound wonderfully clear; but try a recording of a large orchestra with choir or choirs plus solo singers and THAT will really show what your equipment can do. I like my two Naks (DR 10 and 1000ZXL), but for me the music is the primary thing. However, I'll admit that sometimes I'll put something on on the ZXL just to delight in watching and hearing it. The ZXL is not working perfectly - and when you get the time, Bala, I'm sure you'll fulfill your promise to write out some suggestions for repair - but it still is a machine that gets the blood racing. I think violins often sound awful on CD: some string quartets are very harsh on the ear through that medium. Analogue is the way to go there, no doubt about it. But pianos fare much better on CD, where the very low WF is essential to a good piano sound. If you want to test your WF figures by ear only, use a piano recording. Bernard White ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 22 17:33:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:33:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have 2 sets. Can anyone confirm that the 700II pinch rollers are the same as the 700? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers hi - i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or someone said Tom has some available? adrian On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > Steven > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 22 17:32:12 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:32:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20070621233311.00c59a18@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Nothing comes to mind. Obviously the bias oscillator and record circuits are operating, since the Dragon erases. Could the 15KHz test button be engaged, and the azimuth motor is stuck, so very little 15kHz is recorded? Is the orange light on above the 15kHz button? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of geoff at windsupmv.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon won't record Hello, anyone around???? I just got this new dragon and it has no sound on record. no calibration tone, and the record mute light comes on when I try to record. I bet someone here knows what's up with this.; Please help.... Geoff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 22 21:57:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:57:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon won't record Message-ID: In a message dated 6/22/2007 11:11:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: A very interesting comment about violins on cd. I concur! Often the recording engineers record strings from above, to get that "CD resolution and clarity", but the digital process adds even more unnatural glare which the musician works for years to tame! Listen to piano attacks on CD and compare to a good, uncompressed record. On CD the attacks have an added, fatiguing distortion that I sense more than hear. I believe dubbing CD to tape filters this attack distortion without altering the original timbre. Try coparing a favorite piano cd to a cassette dub of the same cd, and let us know which medium you can listen to forever. CD in general just wears out my ears. tom Althought I agree with your basic point, I would take issue with the phrase "uncompressed record." There were virtually no records made which didn't go through a limiter, or a compressor, or had some recording engineer riding gain on the mixing board. In fact, engineers with a good enough ear to ride gain well were the talent behind good analog recordings, and the lack of them today is one of the reasons many CD's suck. I worked my way through music school in the 70's doing sound engineering among other things and I think many important recording skills like mic placement have been more or less lost today, with digital sound engineers substituting post-recording studio manipulation of the signal, running it through various processors and computer programs, for good recording technique. Just as a subjective observation, what I hear in digital recording today of piano is that the sound coming off the string is strong and metallic, but the sound coming off the wood isn't captured. Digitalization seems to enhance metallic and percussive aspects of piano, but isn't anything like the sound you will hear in a good hall. The idea that a dub of a CD can be better than the original is something I have never been entirely comfortable with, but if it's true, it has to have something with the superior pre-amp circuits of a Nak which might produce a slightly enhanced harmonic series. I definintely don't think there are a lot of tape decks out there which can actually make a CD sound better, but I'm sure if there are any, most of them are Naks. Jeff W ____________________________________ See what's free at _AOL.com_ (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503) . ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 22 22:47:35 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:47:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... Message-ID: I listen almost exclusively to classical. I happen to listen to Wagnerian opera as part of that but that is one area cassette just doesn't lend itself as well to (except maybe the 680zx at half speed). However, I listen to other classical as well that lends itself to cassette better; mostly things from mid classical period through late Romantic; some but not too much 20th century or later. Although I have some cassettes from prior days done on my original 700 II, many of those haven't fared as well. Some were FM; most were dubs from vinyl (which I still have). These days I've redone some of my vinyl; I do a fair amount from FM (we have a pretty good classical public radio station; http://www.kusc.org if you want to hear the streamed version), and some copies of live R2R tapes I made back in the 1980s when I had some friends that were in either community orchestras, or one person that was on faculty at Longy (Ron's territory). I actually have some even older R2R live tapes made late 70s/early 80s, but haven't really moved those to cassette. I realize the FM station isn't truly analogue as I'm sure they play CDs all the time anyway...-kby From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 23:39:21 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:39:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <003b01c7b4ac$9c391630$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: MessageOT (A cousin of Elkie Brooks is a friend of mine. Elkie's real last name is Bookbinder and she's related to the biggest private landlord in the city of Manchester.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 22 June 2007 10:06 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... Andy, My favourites tapes that I play on my Nak are John Williams (classical guitar and Sky band recordings), BBC live broadcasts of oratorios and classicals, Pink Floyd, Rita Coolidge, Boz Scaggs, The Eagles, Abba, Cat Stevens, Dave Edmunds, Dolly Parton, Elton John (from start up to Blue Moves Album), Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Helen Reddy, Joe Walsh, John Miles, Kate Bush, Lionel Ritchie, Nina Simone, Rod Stewart, Rock Follies, Roy Buchanan, Status Quo, Supertramp, Steve Harley (& Cockney Rebel), The Carpenters, The Shadows, Toto, Barclay James Harvest, Queen, Cliff Richard, Carol King, Elkie Brooks, Gerrey Rafferty, ELO, The Moody Blues, The Beatles, The Bee Gees, George Harrison, The Dixie Chicks, Rod Stewart, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Dionne Warwick, Jean Michel Jarre and Focus. Phew! Well, you did ask. Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 23 00:15:30 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:15:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also tend to agree. Much the same problem exists, I think, with flute and clarinets - the glare (if I may borrow your terminology) often makes it difficult to tell them apart! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: 22 June 2007 16:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... A very interesting comment about violins on cd. I concur! Often the recording engineers record strings from above, to get that "CD resolution and clarity", but the digital process adds even more unnatural glare which the musician works for years to tame! Listen to piano attacks on CD and compare to a good, uncompressed record. On CD the attacks have an added, fatiguing distortion that I sense more than hear. I believe dubbing CD to tape filters this attack distortion without altering the original timbre. Try coparing a favorite piano cd to a cassette dub of the same cd, and let us know which medium you can listen to forever. CD in general just wears out my ears. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 22 22:53:34 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:53:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon won't record Message-ID: Distortions come in 2 flavors, additive and subtractive. What you hear is subtractive; 'the wood isn't captured' and what I hear is additive; 'string (sound) is strong and metallic'. Pretty neat that we both think the format is imbalanced, but hear 2 versions! The crazy thing about opinions in audio is that a significant number fall into this agree/disagree pattern. Anyone posting an opinion should always be willing to accept another's observations as valid. PS> good luck on the 550. They have an interesting sound. I have seen several power supplies on ebay. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tom, Yeah, I think you've got the additive and subtractive thing exactly right. We've probably heard something similar and came up with different explanations based on our experiences and expectations. I have an old 550 which I more or less wore out. I got it from a guy in 1985 who used it for sound for TV commercials on location. He gave me 2 power supplies, so I've even got a spare. I used it plugged into the mixing board for concerts I did the sound for, and still have the tapes. Don't you have a bid in on a 682ZX? I was thinking of bidding on it myself, but I've made a decision to not bid against you! I'm having a wierd problem with my 1st 680, I guess I'll take it over to Willy soon. It is losing level on playback. My 2nd 680 is working like a dream, though. It's virtually new - it was owned by a high-end carpenter who built a custom stereo cabinet for it, used it only a little, and the first time he took it out of the cabinet was to sell it to me. Sometimes you get lucky. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 22 23:34:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:34:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: <964140.98081.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <964140.98081.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467C404D.5050302@rcn.com> Mine is from RCN. You may have noticed that I put 'CD quality' in quotes. *They* say it is, my ears are not that sure... It's not just compressed, most of the time it's downright frequency limited and distorted. There are 30 odd channels, 4 of which I actually listen to: Classical (many composers that I have n ever heard of). Light Classical (Bruckner and that crowd), Opera and Show tunes. It's useful when both FM stations I listen to are smothered by commercials. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, You mentioned the music channels on the cable box. I have comcast > digital cable with the music channels but they don't sound very good. > Other people cannot hear the difference but to me it sounds compressed > (lack of a better term) so I never listen to them. > Have you noticed anything like that? Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > >*/Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:10:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > > > ...What are we listening to? > > > > > I was flabbergasted to see that not a single person responded > > with what they have been listening to on their Nak decks. > > > > Am I to conclude then that we are we all listening to NOTHING? > > > > I have a very limited musical taste: classical (mostly, > from Mozart to Stravinsky. Next to nothing pre-baroque > or super modern). Jazz in small doses (traditional, > blues) and vocal of all ages (from opera and to musical > shows). > > The CR-7 serves the same purpose as all other source > devices: serving up the same kind of music I like. It > sits on the audio side of the system, just under the > turntable and above the carousel CD player. The video > side is comprised of a DVD player that also serves for > higher quality CD listening, a S-VHS VCR, a laser disc > player and an HDTV cable box. As you can see, movies > play a serious part in my entertainment world. > Additional music is provided by two FM tuners and 30 > odd 'CD quality' channels from the cable box > > The media collection includes about 750 LPs, 250 CDs, > a similiar number of DVDs (but most are movies, Only > about 50 are of operas, ballets or musical shows), > over 300 video cassettes (less than 50 of musical > value) and maybe 250-300 audio cassettes (less than > half prerecorded. Quite a few are compilations of > music I won on LPs or CDs). > > Truth be told, the CR-7, that used to be a major > player (pun intended) in this system, has now been > demoted to a 'has been' status -- something that > has never happened (as yet) to the turntable. > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 22 23:40:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:40:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon won't record In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20070622094201.00c236c0@pop.registeredsite.com> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20070622094201.00c236c0@pop.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: <467C41D4.5070001@rcn.com> geoff at windsupmv.com wrote: > Ben, You are right it is not what I wanted to hear. I can do some > electronic work, I was wondering where the best place to start for a > dragon that is in mute only on record but is fine in play. Itls ok if > there is more than one possibility, but has no one here experienced a > similar problem? Thanks.\ > > Geoff Since you have some experience in electronics work, why not do formal trouble shooting? Arm yourself with a service manual, signal generator, multimeter and a signal tracer. Feed a signal to the recoding input and follow it through the circuit until you find where it gets lost. Once you do, finding why is usually easier. -- Ron From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jun 23 00:41:16 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:41:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <8C98067A119AAB0-CD8-C6@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98067A119AAB0-CD8-C6@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:01:59 -0400, benstratford at aol.com wrote: >Next project is to find out how to adjust a deck for different types of tape internally so they will be able to cope with all of my 6 different tape types.  Any ideas guys? You're not likely to find a better excuse from me in the next half hour to have more than one Nak than to simply use *more Nak decks* :) -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jun 23 00:52:34 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:52:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <4677DC38.7030604@rcn.com> References: <061820072301.12946.46770EE600042CE90000329222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4677DC38.7030604@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0400, Ron wrote: > >To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection >(about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardly >ever buy any. What I use the machine for is recording >my own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly ever >exactly as is (for that I can listen to the original), >but in different combinations. > >If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I would >probably get rid of my deck. I find that in general, >their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak's >recordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail on >me were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves. >Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen and >threw away as many or more. The cassette shells are mostly inferior over the better brand ones for blanks. The emphasis on blanks is to have the best tape possible, it seems the emphasis on prerecorded is to have as much income from the sale as possible. I had to fix a few tapes over the years. - The odd sticker got lose but that ocasionally will happen with BASF blanks too. - The felt pads often get lose and must be reattached which is a pain because it has to be in place. I am in favor of chaning it to one I custom cut out of one of those felt pads for furniture, that makes it big enough to fit over the head, also it isn't filled with ferrite from the tape. - The ocasional cassette shell does not have any rolling guides. I had to remove the tape from a ute Records album by Depeche Mode (Construction Time Again from 1983) and oput that into a philips cassette shell of a blank. I simply went to the local scrap dealer and bought one tape wo shell and guttted the inside. After I opened up the original shell I found there were no rolling guides and no teflon sheets for the side. I simply put the tape itself over into the Philips shell and removed the label. Then I meticulously remade the stickers by affixing a white sticker cut to fit, and writing the text off the original shell - I could not perform a Dr. Hfuhruhurr on the stickers as the text was printed on the plastic of the original shell. -Mikkel From geoff at windsupmv.com Sat Jun 23 01:06:23 2007 From: geoff at windsupmv.com (geoff at windsupmv.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:06:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon won't record (cont.) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20070622185732.00c36f98@pop.registeredsite.com> Still trying to diagagnose this problem: Azimuth motor works, I cna here it do its thing in play mode. Sound of playback is good. The only light on that should'nt be is the record mute light. It comes on as soon as I put it in record, or rec/pause. Both 400 and 15k test tones sound when monitoring source. Does that narrow it down at all? Thanks. Geoff From greynolds at geoff-reynolds.net Sat Jun 23 01:51:33 2007 From: greynolds at geoff-reynolds.net (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... References: <964140.98081.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <467C404D.5050302@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003f01c7b528$454186b0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Ron" > It's useful when both FM stations I listen to are > smothered by commercials. Not to mention that one of them (I suspect) was swapped with another local station to give the other station the stronger signal. IIRC, you've mentioned you're from somewhere in the Waltham, MA area (I'm up in Billerica), and I'm referring to WCRB which had been at 102.5 and was swapped with 99.5 several months ago to give the local country station the better signal. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 02:27:07 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon won't record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <488875.9936.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Yes. The 1000zxl does make CDs sound much much better when recorded on a quality tape( even if its typeI) No doubt about that. Other Naks are very good( esp the high end models, CR7, ZX9) but nowhere near the fidelity of the mighty ZXL. Regards, Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/22/2007 11:11:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: A very interesting comment about violins on cd. I concur! Often the recording engineers record strings from above, to get that "CD resolution and clarity", but the digital process adds even more unnatural glare which the musician works for years to tame! Listen to piano attacks on CD and compare to a good, uncompressed record. On CD the attacks have an added, fatiguing distortion that I sense more than hear. I believe dubbing CD to tape filters this attack distortion without altering the original timbre. Try coparing a favorite piano cd to a cassette dub of the same cd, and let us know which medium you can listen to forever. CD in general just wears out my ears. tom Althought I agree with your basic point, I would take issue with the phrase "uncompressed record." There were virtually no records made which didn't go through a limiter, or a compressor, or had some recording engineer riding gain on the mixing board. In fact, engineers with a good enough ear to ride gain well were the talent behind good analog recordings, and the lack of them today is one of the reasons many CD's suck. I worked my way through music school in the 70's doing sound engineering among other things and I think many important recording skills like mic placement have been more or less lost today, with digital sound engineers substituting post-recording studio manipulation of the signal, running it through various processors and computer programs, for good recording technique. Just as a subjective observation, what I hear in digital recording today of piano is that the sound coming off the string is strong and metallic, but the sound coming off the wood isn't captured. Digitalization seems to enhance metallic and percussive aspects of piano, but isn't anything like the sound you will hear in a good hall. The idea that a dub of a CD can be better than the original is something I have never been entirely comfortable with, but if it's true, it has to have something with the superior pre-amp circuits of a Nak which might produce a slightly enhanced harmonic series. I definintely don't think there are a lot of tape decks out there which can actually make a CD sound better, but I'm sure if there are any, most of them are Naks. 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In-Reply-To: <003f01c7b528$454186b0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <964140.98081.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <467C404D.5050302@rcn.com> <003f01c7b528$454186b0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <467C7C71.2080501@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: "Ron" > >> It's useful when both FM stations I listen to are >> smothered by commercials. > > Not to mention that one of them (I suspect) was swapped with another local > station to give the other station the stronger signal. IIRC, you've > mentioned you're from somewhere in the Waltham, MA area (I'm up in > Billerica), and I'm referring to WCRB which had been at 102.5 and was > swapped with 99.5 several months ago to give the local country station the > better signal. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net I'm actually in Framingham. WCRB on 99.5 is fine here. The other one is WGBH (89.7). Sonically, WCRB is better, but their 'creative' commercials are the pits. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 23 03:54:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:54:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: References: <061820072301.12946.46770EE600042CE90000329222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4677DC38.7030604@rcn.com> Message-ID: <467C7D3A.7080409@rcn.com> Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0400, Ron wrote: > >> To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection >> (about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardly >> ever buy any. What I use the machine for is recording >> my own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly ever >> exactly as is (for that I can listen to the original), >> but in different combinations. >> >> If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I would >> probably get rid of my deck. I find that in general, >> their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak's >> recordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail on >> me were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves. >> Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen and >> threw away as many or more. > > The cassette shells are mostly inferior over the better brand ones for blanks. > The emphasis on blanks is to have the best tape possible, it seems the emphasis on > prerecorded is to have as much income from the sale as possible. > > I had to fix a few tapes over the years. > - The odd sticker got lose but that ocasionally will happen with BASF blanks too. > - The felt pads often get lose and must be reattached which is a pain because it has > to be in place. I am in favor of chaning it to one I custom cut out of one of those > felt pads for furniture, that makes it big enough to fit over the head, also it isn't > filled with ferrite from the tape. > - The ocasional cassette shell does not have any rolling guides. I had to remove the > tape from a ute Records album by Depeche Mode (Construction Time Again from 1983) and > oput that into a philips cassette shell of a blank. I simply went to the local scrap > dealer and bought one tape wo shell and guttted the inside. After I opened up the > original shell I found there were no rolling guides and no teflon sheets for the > side. I simply put the tape itself over into the Philips shell and removed the label. > Then I meticulously remade the stickers by affixing a white sticker cut to fit, and > writing the text off the original shell - I could not perform a Dr. Hfuhruhurr on the > stickers as the text was printed on the plastic of the original shell. > > -Mikkel I've repaired quite a few prerecorded cassettes over the years. More often when not, the slip sheets fail. When that happens, I replace the whole shell and transfer the label. -- Ron From robertleo1 at msn.com Sat Jun 23 04:48:20 2007 From: robertleo1 at msn.com (robert black) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:48:20 GMT Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 record imbalance Message-ID: I have a BX-100 that has a record imbalance. When recording the levels are even,on play back the right channel is higher than the left.The right channel sounds louder. Is there an adjustment to solve this issue...thanks Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Jun 23 08:16:21 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:16:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? References: Message-ID: <008601c7b55e$04bf07d0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Holy Mackeral, Geez, if that came up in NZ, I'd be in like a robbers dog...but as now AU based.. dingo on speed.. Will be interesting to see who buys, and what that stash finally sells for! ----- Original Message ----- From: Benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] Spares Decks Required? Get a load of this one fellas, on you know where!! Item No: 230145310377 Cheers, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 23 09:59:12 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:59:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c7b56c$66866e50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Didn't know that. Have you ever seen her in concert? I saw her once at Bournemouth Winter Gardens. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 22 June 2007 22:39 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... OT (A cousin of Elkie Brooks is a friend of mine. Elkie's real last name is Bookbinder and she's related to the biggest private landlord in the city of Manchester.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: 22 June 2007 10:06 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... Andy, My favourites tapes that I play on my Nak are John Williams (classical guitar and Sky band recordings), BBC live broadcasts of oratorios and classicals, Pink Floyd, Rita Coolidge, Boz Scaggs, The Eagles, Abba, Cat Stevens, Dave Edmunds, Dolly Parton, Elton John (from start up to Blue Moves Album), Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Helen Reddy, Joe Walsh, John Miles, Kate Bush, Lionel Ritchie, Nina Simone, Rod Stewart, Rock Follies, Roy Buchanan, Status Quo, Supertramp, Steve Harley (& Cockney Rebel), The Carpenters, The Shadows, Toto, Barclay James Harvest, Queen, Cliff Richard, Carol King, Elkie Brooks, Gerrey Rafferty, ELO, The Moody Blues, The Beatles, The Bee Gees, George Harrison, The Dixie Chicks, Rod Stewart, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Dionne Warwick, Jean Michel Jarre and Focus. Phew! Well, you did ask. Shaun __________ NOD32 2347 (20070623) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 23 10:03:30 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:03:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c7b56c$fdd8ae80$7300a8c0@Shaun> Add to that a pair of, shall we say, "revealing" speakers and you find yourself jumping behind the sofa! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 22 June 2007 23:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... I also tend to agree. Much the same problem exists, I think, with flute and clarinets - the glare (if I may borrow your terminology) often makes it difficult to tell them apart! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hitech at bellsouth.net Sent: 22 June 2007 16:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'll Ask Once More... A very interesting comment about violins on cd. I concur! Often the recording engineers record strings from above, to get that "CD resolution and clarity", but the digital process adds even more unnatural glare which the musician works for years to tame! Listen to piano attacks on CD and compare to a good, uncompressed record. On CD the attacks have an added, fatiguing distortion that I sense more than hear. I believe dubbing CD to tape filters this attack distortion without altering the original timbre. Try coparing a favorite piano cd to a cassette dub of the same cd, and let us know which medium you can listen to forever. CD in general just wears out my ears. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net __________ NOD32 2347 (20070623) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jun 23 12:25:19 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:25:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer Message-ID: What do people recommend for a signal tracer? David >Since you have some experience in electronics work, why not do formal trouble shooting? Arm yourself with a service manual, signal generator, multimeter and a signal tracer. Feed a signal to the recoding input and follow it through the circuit until you find where it gets lost. Once you do, finding why is usually easier. >-- Ron From Benstratford at aol.com Sat Jun 23 14:34:51 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:34:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer Message-ID: David, Eico 147a Heathkit T4 I have both and they work well. Make sure you get one with the probe. Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jun 23 15:12:31 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <467C7D3A.7080409@rcn.com> Message-ID: <159979.67277.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron wrote: Mikkel Breiler wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0400, Ron wrote: > >> To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection >> (about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardly >> ever buy any. What I use the machine for is recording >> my own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly ever >> exactly as is (for that I can listen to the original), >> but in different combinations. >> >> If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I would >> probably get rid of my deck. I find that in general, >> their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak's >> recordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail on >> me were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves. >> Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen and >> threw away as many or more. > > The cassette shells are mostly inferior over the better brand ones for blanks. > The emphasis on blanks is to have the best tape possible, it seems the emphasis on > prerecorded is to have as much income from the sale as possible. > > I had to fix a few tapes over the years. > - The odd sticker got lose but that ocasionally will happen with BASF blanks too. > - The felt pads often get lose and must be reattached which is a pain because it has > to be in place. I am in favor of chaning it to one I custom cut out of one of those > felt pads for furniture, that makes it big enough to fit over the head, also it isn't > filled with ferrite from the tape. > - The ocasional cassette shell does not have any rolling guides. I had to remove the > tape from a ute Records album by Depeche Mode (Construction Time Again from 1983) and > oput that into a philips cassette shell of a blank. I simply went to the local scrap > dealer and bought one tape wo shell and guttted the inside. After I opened up the > original shell I found there were no rolling guides and no teflon sheets for the > side. I simply put the tape itself over into the Philips shell and removed the label. > Then I meticulously remade the stickers by affixing a white sticker cut to fit, and > writing the text off the original shell - I could not perform a Dr. Hfuhruhurr on the > stickers as the text was printed on the plastic of the original shell. > > -Mikkel I've repaired quite a few prerecorded cassettes over the years. More often when not, the slip sheets fail. When that happens, I replace the whole shell and transfer the label. -- Ron How do you remove the label(s) from the old shell ( for those that use label )? Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Jun 23 15:17:50 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:17:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wow & Flutter Message-ID: <062320071317.27822.467D1D7E0008EC3900006CAE22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Bernard White wrote: If you want to test your WF figures by ear only, use a piano recording. ----- Absolutely true, Bernard! That's one of the nice things about owning a good Nakamichi deck. For the most part, Nakamichi decks are rock-solid in this department, and one of the big reasons why people who come to my house are easily fooled into thinking they are listening to a CD instead of a cassette. Back in the late 1980's, when I first had the money and the desire to go shopping for a good cassette deck, I read in an audio magazine that if you want to see just how stable a cassette deck is, you should listen to either a piano or a female vocal. If there are any glitches, those two things will show it most readily. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 23 16:12:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:12:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <467D2A36.9030708@rcn.com> It's as non-critical as you can get... In essence, it's a simple amp with speaker, in a box. Since my other hobby is vintage instruments, I actually have two: an EICO 147A and a Heathkit IT-12. The latter is far more popular (and consequently, commands higher prices), but the former is actually better. My EICO is predated by the 145, which I would avoid. A later model, the 150, looks much nicer. Heathkit also made the PS-4 which is the same as the IT-12 with a different color scheme and the older PS-3, which would be really old. Nowadays, the place to find such instruments is the eplace. Try to get one that comes with the probe. Unless you are equipped to deal with problems, try to somehow make sure that the instrument you bid on is truly in working order. I don't know how to ascertain this -- I have bought several instruments that were claimed to work fine but were far from it... Many (most?) sellers state that the unit lights up but not tested further. This means that it definitely has a problem... Good luck, -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > What do people recommend for a signal tracer? > > David > > >> Since you have some experience in electronics work, > why not do formal trouble shooting? Arm yourself > with a service manual, signal generator, multimeter > and a signal tracer. Feed a signal to the recoding > input and follow it through the circuit until you > find where it gets lost. Once you do, finding why > is usually easier. > >> -- Ron From ckdawson at cableone.net Sat Jun 23 19:24:13 2007 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:24:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 and SKC Type IV tapes Message-ID: <005401c7b5bb$51d05cb0$6401a8c0@dell> Hi All, Being reluctant to spend the going price for sealed old stock Maxell or TDK metal tapes, I've purchased several of the newer SKC tapes. I bought the first few almost 2 years ago after asking Kermit's opinion (favorable as it turned out) of them. My problem is that my CR-7 doesn't seem to be able to auto-calibrate them. It does fine with the type-II Maxell's that I use mainly. Is this something that I should look into service/repair to fix? When I bought the deck, all functions worked correctly and still do with this one exception so I've never sought any help for it. Although I can't afford to do much more than an occaisional recording using these tapes, I would like to have auto-cal work for them. Is anyone using these tapes on a CR-7 and seeing similar behavior? Thanks, Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 23:19:47 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? Message-ID: <220550.19002.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 01:55:34 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Drango for the car In-Reply-To: <200706231005.l5NA3iGm024494@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <24767.30679.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> - TD 1200 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140131609984 Gabe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 24 03:28:25 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:28:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Are We Listening To? In-Reply-To: <159979.67277.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <159979.67277.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <467DC8B9.2050800@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Mikkel Breiler wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > >> To each his own, I guess. I do have a small collection > >> (about 150 or so) of prerecorded cassettes, but hardly > >> ever buy any. What I use the machine for is recording > >> my own from LPs, CDs, Laser disks DVDs. Hardly ever > >> exactly as is (for that I can listen to the original), > >> but in different combinations. > >> > >> If I were limited to prerecorded cassettes, I would > >> probably get rid of my deck. I find that in general, > >> their sound quality is decidedly inferior to the Nak's > >> recordings. In addition, the only cassettes to fail on > >> me were the prerecorded ones and those -- in droves. > >> Over the years I've repaired more than a dozen and > >> threw away as many or more. > > > > The cassette shells are mostly inferior over the better brand > ones for blanks. > > The emphasis on blanks is to have the best tape possible, it > seems the emphasis on > > prerecorded is to have as much income from the sale as possible. > > > > I had to fix a few tapes over the years. > > - The odd sticker got lose but that ocasionally will happen with > BASF blanks too. > > - The felt pads often get lose and must be reattached which is a > pain because it has > > to be in place. I am in favor of chaning it to one I custom cut > out of one of those > > felt pads for furniture, that makes it big enough to fit over the > head, also it isn't > > filled with ferrite from the tape. > > - The ocasional cassette shell does not have any rolling guides. > I had to remove the > > tape from a ute Records album by Depeche Mode (Construction Time > Again from 1983) and > > oput that into a philips cassette shell of a blank. I simply went > to the local scrap > > dealer and bought one tape wo shell and guttted the inside. After > I opened up the > > original shell I found there were no rolling guides and no teflon > sheets for the > > side. I simply put the tape itself over into the Philips shell > and removed the label. > > Then I meticulously remade the stickers by affixing a white > sticker cut to fit, and > > writing the text off the original shell - I could not perform a > Dr. Hfuhruhurr on the > > stickers as the text was printed on the plastic of the original > shell. > > > > -Mikkel > > I've repaired quite a few prerecorded cassettes > over the years. More often when not, the slip > sheets fail. When that happens, I replace the > whole shell and transfer the label. > > -- Ron > > > How do you remove the label(s) from the old shell ( for those that > use label )? > > > Mike I use a heat gun judiciously (meaning, very, very carefully) until the shell plastic softens (if the shell distorts, I've heated too long), then peel the label off. This has worked very well with most labels, but Philips labels tend to self destruct during the procedure. Those that do not use labels: I scan the cassette sides, then print on extra bright paper. When the 'label' is purely B&W, I get better results using a Xerox copier. -- Ron -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 24 09:30:17 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:30:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? Message-ID: > I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does > any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? > please let me know > Kannan > Tom mentioned a parts machine he was getting earlier that I put myself in queue for a knob. Tom?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 18:09:16 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dragion parts update: The customer I bought the parts deck for declined his estimate, so now I have 2 decks with serious problems. I plan to evaluate the process of making one deck work, and parting out the other. Unfortunately, I have become a "6 month turn around" and I am really uncomfortable putting that project ahead of the repairs. KBY, do you need the metal plate, or the clear cassette door? Has anyone thought about making stencils and repainting Dragon buttons? We have so many creative types in our group....photoshop to CAD to laser cut paper. Sell the paper with a matching spray paint for $$. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan Tom mentioned a parts machine he was getting earlier that I put myself in queue for a knob. Tom?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 17:53:49 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:53:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakdoc eBay bids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, and everyone. My eBay bids are for salvage or parts value only, so if you want a deck and you see my name on it, go ahead and bid! I'd be happy to provide estimates on repair costs for broken listings. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 18:03:36 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:03:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Drango for the car In-Reply-To: <24767.30679.qm@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For anyone interested, this unit looks complete. It is direct drive and auto azimuth. The FM tuner is the best I've ever heard by a large margin. It would be much simpler to install in older cars. I would recommend only the quietest cars as road noise will mask the details this deck can produce. Speakers must have domes or ribbon tweeters. Note there are 2 pairs of ADS 320i speakers, excellent, excellent for use with the TD1200. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of SunfirePC Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Drango for the car - TD 1200 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140131609984 Gabe ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 19:03:57 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <349296.30635.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom I need the Cassette Well plastic cover which slides over the cassette well frame ( not KBY - he needs knobs I think!) not the metal frame. If you can spare one it will be fantastic Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Dragion parts update: The customer I bought the parts deck for declined his estimate, so now I have 2 decks with serious problems. I plan to evaluate the process of making one deck work, and parting out the other. Unfortunately, I have become a "6 month turn around" and I am really uncomfortable putting that project ahead of the repairs. KBY, do you need the metal plate, or the clear cassette door? Has anyone thought about making stencils and repainting Dragon buttons? We have so many creative types in our group....photoshop to CAD to laser cut paper. Sell the paper with a matching spray paint for $$. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan Tom mentioned a parts machine he was getting earlier that I put myself in queue for a knob. Tom?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avraham at gbis.com Sun Jun 24 20:22:00 2007 From: avraham at gbis.com (Steven Weidman) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:22:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers References: F31C7986-3C2D-480E-92D9-7CBB8F81F6E3@thegreatbear.net Message-ID: <467EB648.4060402@gbis.com> Did you receive my previous message about wanting to purchase pinch rollers for a Nak 700? I am most interested. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 24 20:24:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:24:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Cassette deck advice? Message-ID: <467EB6DF.9020506@rcn.com> I have just added a cassette deck to my Accord. Not a Nak, but an original Honda deck, that I got off the eplace for 55 bucks. More than good enough for a car. So far, so good.. but now my wife wants a cassette deck for her new Camry. Needless to say, Toyota no longer makes cassette decks available. There's a CD player in the radio and no space for a cassette deck in sight. There is, however, a small space with power and audio input jacks inside; probably meant for a hands free phone or maybe an MP3 player. Question: does anyone know of a small cassette deck that I can kludge into this 5.5" by 5.5" (height is not a problem) area? Thanks in advance, -- Ron From lenaw at flash.net Sun Jun 24 20:49:55 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TM-1 Radio Clock Message-ID: <554495.56600.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: Anybody knows where to locate a copy of the Nakamichi TM-1 Radio Clock service manual? Thanks. Best Regards, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Jun 24 21:14:24 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:14:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? References: Message-ID: <003b01c7b693$e155c1d0$cfd017c4@home> I have a spare complete (I MeanCOMPLETE)drive ,brand new, for a Dragon.At what rice would you part with he 'rest of a Dragon'? walter ----- Original Message ----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? Dragion parts update: The customer I bought the parts deck for declined his estimate, so now I have 2 decks with serious problems. I plan to evaluate the process of making one deck work, and parting out the other. Unfortunately, I have become a "6 month turn around" and I am really uncomfortable putting that project ahead of the repairs. KBY, do you need the metal plate, or the clear cassette door? Has anyone thought about making stencils and repainting Dragon buttons? We have so many creative types in our group....photoshop to CAD to laser cut paper. Sell the paper with a matching spray paint for $$. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? I bought a Dragon recently and it needs Cassette Well Cover. Does any have a parts machine or spare cover to sell ? please let me know Kannan Tom mentioned a parts machine he was getting earlier that I put myself in queue for a knob. Tom?-kby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Jun 24 22:35:51 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:35:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need a Dragon Cassette well cover- does anybody have it? Message-ID: > Hi Tom > I need the Cassette Well plastic cover which slides over the > cassette well frame ( not KBY - he needs knobs I think!) not the > metal frame. > If you can spare one it will be fantastic > Kannan > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Dragion parts update: > The customer I bought the parts deck for declined his > estimate, so now I have 2 decks with serious problems. I plan to > evaluate the process of making one deck work, and parting out the > other. Unfortunately, I have become a "6 month turn around" and I > am really uncomfortable putting that project ahead of the repairs. > KBY, do you need the metal plate, or the clear cassette door? > Has anyone thought about making stencils and repainting Dragon > buttons? We have so many creative types in our group....photoshop > to CAD to laser cut paper. Sell the paper with a matching spray > paint for $$. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net Right. Kanaan is looking for the cassette well stuff; I just remembered I'd 'spoken' to you about a parts machine in the recent past. I just need one of the level/bias/azimuth adjust knobs (technically the knob, not the knob cover(s). Let me know...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 24 22:36:23 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:36:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adrian, I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the erase head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge is also needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or otherwise get it adjusted correctly? The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers hi - i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or someone said Tom has some available? adrian On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > Steven > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 25 05:10:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:10:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: <062520070310.5009.467F3236000F2A0D0000139122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was looking around in some audio newsgroups on the internet and found this discussion from 2003. Some of the negative comments amused me! Our good friend Stephen Sank makes an appearance and flies the flag for us Nak lovers. Check it out: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/browse_thread/thread/539178c8e788dfdc/4385a27ca376c536?lnk=gst&q=cassette+decks+informal+poll&rnum=1#4385a27ca376c536 From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Jun 25 08:39:49 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:39:49 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <467F6335.40001@otenet.gr> Hi Ben Will you please pass me, off list, the UK supplier so i can grab some of this staff for my Naks? Have you any idea if they will ship in Greece? Thank you! Manos benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Search for "Prolong Precision Oil" > > http://www.prolongnet.com/precision%20oiler.htm > > I Use it Too, Found a UK supplier but it's available most places. > > Ben > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk > > In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: > > i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it > comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for > putting > a drop in tight places.. > > it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! > > What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > from your favourite artists. Click Here > for more information. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jun 25 08:57:31 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:57:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 and SKC Type IV tapes Message-ID: Hi Keith, I use SKC ZX Metal Technology tapes - all C-90s. I don't have a CR7, but my 682ZX calibrates (rec head azimuth) fine with them. They also calibrate without incident on Technics RS-AZ7 (ATC), Pioneer CT-W604RS and Pioneer CT-S640S (S-Auto BLE). Haven't tried them on CT-S740S or others to my fuzzy recollection. I must say, I'm very fond of these ZXs. Cheers - Marc >>> ckdawson at cableone.net 6/23/2007 7:24:13 PM >>> Hi All, Being reluctant to spend the going price for sealed old stock Maxell or TDK metal tapes, I've purchased several of the newer SKC tapes. I bought the first few almost 2 years ago after asking Kermit's opinion (favorable as it turned out) of them. My problem is that my CR-7 doesn't seem to be able to auto-calibrate them. It does fine with the type-II Maxell's that I use mainly. Is this something that I should look into service/repair to fix? When I bought the deck, all functions worked correctly and still do with this one exception so I've never sought any help for it. Although I can't afford to do much more than an occaisional recording using these tapes, I would like to have auto-cal work for them. Is anyone using these tapes on a CR-7 and seeing similar behavior? Thanks, Keith The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 25 09:58:50 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:58:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk References: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <467F6335.40001@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <002101c7b6fe$ab1161e0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Manos You can easily buy it on Ebay, I bought some the other day. This was the Ebay item no [UK site] PROLONG: MULTI PURPOSE PRECISION OIL (200095846213) Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmanuel Komninos" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk > Hi Ben > > Will you please pass me, off list, the UK supplier so i can grab some of > this staff for my Naks? Have you any idea if they will ship in Greece? > Thank you! > Manos > > > > benstratford at aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Jeff, >> Search for "Prolong Precision Oil" >> >> http://www.prolongnet.com/precision%20oiler.htm >> I Use it Too, Found a UK supplier but it's available most places. >> Ben >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bansijeff at aol.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk >> >> In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> adrian at thegreatbear.net writes: >> >> i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it >> comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for >> putting a drop in tight places.. >> >> it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! >> >> What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can. >> Jeff >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> See what's free at AOL.com >> . >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store >> photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your >> favourite artists. Click Here >> for more information. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 23/06/2007 11:08 > > From benstratford at aol.com Mon Jun 25 10:00:00 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:00:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: <467F6335.40001@otenet.gr> References: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <467F6335.40001@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <8C98515F70D542B-1A78-8485@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Hi Manos: UK supplier details: http://www.odourzappers.com/results.asp?category=10 I am sure they will ship to you.  If not, Contact me and I will get some for you and send myself. Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel Komninos To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7.39am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk Hi Ben    Will you please pass me, off list, the UK supplier so i can grab some of this staff for my Naks? Have you any idea if they will ship in Greece?  Thank you!  Manos      benstratford at aol.com wrote:    > Hi Jeff,  > > Search for "Prolong Precision Oil"  >  > http://www.prolongnet.com/precision%20oiler.htm  > > I Use it Too, Found a UK supplier but it's available most places.  > > Ben  >  >  >  >  > -----Original Message-----  > From: Bansijeff at aol.com  > To: naktalk at naks.com  > Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk  >  > In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > adrian at thegreatbear.net writes:  >  > i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it > comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for  > putting > a drop in tight places..  >  > it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years!  >  > What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can.  > Jeff  >  >  >  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------  > See what's free at AOL.com > .  >  >========---------------------------------------------------------=========  > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  >========---------------------------------------------------------=========  > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  >========---------------------------------------------------------=========  >  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------  > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > from your favourite artists. 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Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Jun 25 14:24:04 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:24:04 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer Message-ID: Ben and Tom Thanks for your recommendations on a signal tracer. There are none showing on ebay Australia so I shall watch and wait. David From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jun 25 14:41:49 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:41:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Cassette deck advice? In-Reply-To: <467EB6DF.9020506@rcn.com> References: <467EB6DF.9020506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <467FB80D.5050201@snet.net> I think a Nakamichi 250 would fit ;-) In all seriousness though, it probably would fit if you had the clearance for the front to stick out a few inches. Of course you'd still need to come up with the amplification end of things (unless the Camry has an audio input for an MP3). Ed Ron wrote: > > I have just added a cassette deck to my Accord. Not a Nak, > but an original Honda deck, that I got off the eplace for > 55 bucks. More than good enough for a car. > > So far, so good.. but now my wife wants a cassette deck > for her new Camry. Needless to say, Toyota no longer makes > cassette decks available. There's a CD player in the radio > and no space for a cassette deck in sight. There is, > however, a small space with power and audio input jacks > inside; probably meant for a hands free phone or maybe an > MP3 player. > > Question: does anyone know of a small cassette deck that I > can kludge into this 5.5" by 5.5" (height is not a problem) > area? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jun 25 17:49:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:49:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 78 Naks for sale on eBay Message-ID: Dear Brothers and Sister! Im in correspondence with the seller of this kit and saddly all my mails to naktalk are being bounced at present .... maybe its due to the phase of the moon .......and I have mislaid Wouters email so Im writing to Jeff to ask him to post this for me to the forum. Im offerring to help in anyway I can with this sale I hope the hassle re bouncing will stop ...... its odd how this happens everynow and again .... Peace ian r Post 1 to Naktalk Bounced I wrote to the seller and Bower & Wilkins about this sale and it seems legit ........ does anyone need a UK agent on this deal I could be persuaded to help with various legal and decent NaK related promises It sounds unprecedented to me but then I only have a 481 and a 300 ......... by the time the idlers were done one would be the biuggest Nak dealer in the world ........ I expect so anyway whimsically and kindly yours ian Post 2 to seller Yo Mark well done you ...... I'm a subscriber to Naktalk and have offerred to help overseas Nak nutters get involved with your sale if they needs local contact. Yes i too am a Nak nut and with your permission I'd like to post your reply to me to the group .... is that allright .... I dont know if anyone else wants to pick this up with me yet but hey we cant let 'em go to the skip ... its just not to happen ...... even my wife might understand but underneath the bed would cause suspicious lumps in the mattress and then she'd find em! Seriously i know all the nak forums and sites so we'll see .... if only people realised how good tape was when Nakked ho Hum God willing Ian Seller Mark Dawson's reply >Hi Ian > >Well deduced! - I've run them myself as a bank of "Real time" duplication >machines since the 1990's as well as making the cassettes too (I'll probably >be putting the cassette winders - Lyrec Kronos 5's - and compresser, on >Ebay too, in a while) I've kept them maintained (with the aid of a technical >friend who would replace the idlers, etc, from time to time) myself, but as >CDs became more popular, cassettes became less popular - hence this sale. >The electronics rarely fail, and they sound fantastic as you probably >already know. > >You might also want to have a look at this site (no connection with me!) >which offers lots of spares, etc, and is a useful source of extra >information http://www.naks.com/ > >If someone had a bit of spare time they could probably do quite well by >repairing them and then selling them on individually, as there still seems >to be quite a thriving second hand cassette market. Just a thought.... > >Regards - Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 25 16:43:16 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:43:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: <062520070310.5009.467F3236000F2A0D0000139122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Interesting. We are 'biased' My observation is this: tape, in any audio format, sounds best when calibrated. Unless we own test equiment, or an auto calibrating deck, we have spent much time listening to less-than-optimum tape. Steven Sank says a CR-7 blows away a Revox B77...well maybe if the B77 is run at 1 7/8 ips (my B-77 at 3 3/4 ips is better than cassette).... but what he is really saying is an auto cal Nak sounds better than a B-77 using tape different than what it is set up for. The situation simplifies greatly for those of us who do no recording, as the playback calibrations are standardized and do not vary with tape type. Concerning the "type B" eq...for anyone eager to convert a ZX7,9,BX 300 or Dragon to type B, it can certainly be done. Type B is not confined to the MR1,2 decks. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... I was looking around in some audio newsgroups on the internet and found this discussion from 2003. Some of the negative comments amused me! Our good friend Stephen Sank makes an appearance and flies the flag for us Nak lovers. Check it out: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/browse_thread/thread/539178c8e7 88dfdc/4385a27ca376c536?lnk=gst&q=cassette+decks+informal+poll&rnum=1#4385a2 7ca376c536 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Jun 25 16:37:57 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:37:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Cam Clunk In-Reply-To: <8C98515F70D542B-1A78-8485@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C981F884423748-16C8-14942@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <467F6335.40001@otenet.gr> <8C98515F70D542B-1A78-8485@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <467FD345.3060507@otenet.gr> Thank you both Ian and Ben! Now i have plenty of choices! Manos benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Hi Manos: > UK supplier details: > http://www.odourzappers.com/results.asp?category=10 > I am sure they will ship to you. If not, Contact me and I will get > some for you and send myself. > Regards, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Emmanuel Komninos > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 7.39am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk > > Hi Ben > > Will you please pass me, off list, the UK supplier so i can grab some > of this staff for my Naks? Have you any idea if they will ship in Greece? > Thank you! > Manos > > > benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jeff, > > > Search for "Prolong Precision Oil" > > > > http://www.prolongnet.com/precision%20oiler.htm > > > I Use it Too, Found a UK supplier but it's available most places. > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 1.37am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cam Clunk > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:08:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > adrian at thegreatbear.net > > > writes: > > > > i and i think others use prolong, multi-purpose precision oil - it > > comes in a handy pen type dispenser with a long fine tube for > > putting > a drop in tight places.. > > > > it wasn't cheap but I'm sure it'll last years! > > > > What brand is that? I'd like to buy it online if I can. > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See what's free at AOL.com > > . > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and > > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > > from your favourite artists. Click Here > > for more information. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > from your favourite artists. Click Here > for more information. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jun 25 19:31:37 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:31:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:23:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: Concerning the "type B" eq...for anyone eager to convert a ZX7,9,BX 300 or Dragon to type B, it can certainly be done. Type B is not confined to the MR1,2 decks. I currently have an MR-1B and I had a MR-2B which I recently sold. Unless one really, really, wants the IEC-2 standard EQ, I wouldn't recommend the conversion. There's a very good reason that Nakamichi didn't adopt the IEC-2 standard - it doesn'r sound as good. The highs are noticeably diminished in the the MR-1B and MR-2B and they don't compare sonically with other Naks. You lose the very sonic quality that makes a Nak a Nak. I've done a lot of A-B comparisons with these decks. They are great for late 80's, early 90's pre-recorded tapes however. Just my opinion. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 23:28:57 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <939806.42987.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:23:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: Concerning the "type B" eq...for anyone eager to convert a ZX7,9,BX 300 or Dragon to type B, it can certainly be done. Type B is not confined to the MR1,2 decks. I currently have an MR-1B and I had a MR-2B which I recently sold. Unless one really, really, wants the IEC-2 standard EQ, I wouldn't recommend the conversion. There's a very good reason that Nakamichi didn't adopt the IEC-2 standard - it doesn'r sound as good. The highs are noticeably diminished in the the MR-1B and MR-2B and they don't compare sonically with other Naks. You lose the very sonic quality that makes a Nak a Nak. I've done a lot of A-B comparisons with these decks. They are great for late 80's, early 90's pre-recorded tapes however. Just my opinion. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 26 00:53:48 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:53:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David Don't limit yourself to eBay Australia - search worldwide. I often find that folks who say they will ship only within their own borders will change their mind if you approach them to ask if you may bid. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: 25 June 2007 13:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Signal tracer Ben and Tom Thanks for your recommendations on a signal tracer. There are none showing on ebay Australia so I shall watch and wait. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 26 00:15:33 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:15:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Hi Scott, This is from your own Nak Problems web site - "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. " I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jun 26 07:31:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <217382.52414.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess !! ). If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks. If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well. Regards, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Hi Scott, This is from your own Nak Problems web site - "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. " I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 03:39:58 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <506939.4062.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rec/Playback performance refers to the highier distortion at high record levels. Not dimished high end. It's still 20-20kHz when playing back it's own tapes and tapes from any other IEC-2 deck. What the MR-1B does not do is give you the 2dB boost in the high end that you maybe refering to when playing an IEC-2 tape on a IEC-1 machine. This boost is due to the playback EQ of an IEC-1 machine. IEC-2 machines put the boost during record and cut it during playback (this is where the dimished performance occurs IEC-2 boost the high end 2dB during record which lowers your maximum record level.) Remember the test reports where a Nak deck is tested using a BASF (IEC-2) frequency response tape. There is that 2dB rise in the top end. All the other decks are closer to flat because they take out that 2dB boost during playback. SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Hi Scott, This is from your own Nak Problems web site - "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. " I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:43:53 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:43:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: <217382.52414.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C985DCE0EFC19C-12F4-371A@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Mike, This makes sense.  I used to have Pioneer Decks : CT-F1250 & CT-A1 which were both 1980 models.  When interchanging tapes between these and the Naks, there was no discernable difference in playback either way.  (Except that the CT-F1250 was not so sharp at recording). I think you have summed it all up very well. Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 6.31am Subject: Re: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Jeff:        Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized  based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess  !! ).          If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks.         If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well.   Regards, Mike   Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly.   Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs.  They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart.  Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels.   I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded).  If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp.   SJ Hi Scott,   This is from your own Nak Problems web site -   "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization.  It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. "   I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies.   Jeff W   See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Original Message----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 6.31am Subject: Re: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Jeff:        Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized  based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess  !! ).          If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks.         If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well.   Regards, Mike   Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly.   Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs.  They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart.  Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels.   I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded).  If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp.   SJ Hi Scott,   This is from your own Nak Problems web site -   "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization.  It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. "   I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies.   Jeff W   See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 26 10:13:43 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:13:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay Message-ID: <062620070813.16901.4680CAB700017CAC0000420522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Check out this clean ZX-7 on eBay (not mine). http://cgi.ebay.com/nakamichi-zx-7-cassete-deck_W0QQitemZ290133088052QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The seller mentions a playback problem when the deck's EQ is set to 70 uS (noisy in right channel). What could cause this problem? Could it be simply a dirty EQ switch? He says the deck was checked out by a service tech prior to being listed on eBay. By the way, I sincerely don't mean to poke fun, but I think English might not be the seller's first language. It took me a minute to figure out what the "bottoms" he mentions actually were. *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 26 17:20:58 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:20:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:31:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess !! ). If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks. If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well. Regards, Mike Hi Mike, What you have worked out here is consistent with my experience. The one thing I might add is that there weren't very many commercial tapes before 1981. Pre-recorded tapes really took off as a medium around that time, especially for use in cars, and almost all of them are made to the IEC-2 standard. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 26 17:32:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:32:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:33:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: What the MR-1B does not do is give you the 2dB boost in the high end that you maybe refering to when playing an IEC-2 tape on a IEC-1 machine. This boost is due to the playback EQ of an IEC-1 machine. IEC-2 machines put the boost during record and cut it during playback (this is where the dimished performance occurs IEC-2 boost the high end 2dB during record which lowers your maximum record level.) Hi Scott, This would mean that the MR-1B is 2dB lower in the high end than the standard Nak. Look at your own statement. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Jun 26 12:23:18 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:23:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay Message-ID: <8C985F3265E4E78-12F4-3A5E@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Andy, This does look like a nice deck.  I do find it very strange though, that a tech that has the ability to re-align the transport having removed the pinch rollers for cleaning, can't resolve the crackling left channel on playback.  I would question the seller in detail on this point and ask to speak to the tech chap to verify the details given.  It sounds a bit odd.  Buyer Beware. Best Regards ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 16:52:57 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:52:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <518b7b10706260752r672f0101m6374bc775eb5a127@mail.gmail.com> OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-VINTAGE-1979-MA-R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-VINTAGE-1979-MA-R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem yet no bids so far for: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I don't get it. George From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 26 16:58:00 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:58:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay In-Reply-To: <062620070813.16901.4680CAB700017CAC0000420522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Almost has to be the switch. Pretty much isolated to one part! It could be an orange cap?. Flipping it 30 times might just fix it. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay Check out this clean ZX-7 on eBay (not mine). http://cgi.ebay.com/nakamichi-zx-7-cassete-deck_W0QQitemZ290133088052QQihZ01 9QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The seller mentions a playback problem when the deck's EQ is set to 70 uS (noisy in right channel). What could cause this problem? Could it be simply a dirty EQ switch? He says the deck was checked out by a service tech prior to being listed on eBay. By the way, I sincerely don't mean to poke fun, but I think English might not be the seller's first language. It took me a minute to figure out what the "bottoms" he mentions actually were. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 26 17:04:48 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:04:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: <217382.52414.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, You are correct. An IEC 2 deck "shaves a bit off the top end" in playback, so it adds a bit in record, to yeild flat response. A converted deck will sound a bit dull on tapes recorded prior to the conversion. Dolby will make the differences more evident. In theory, pre recorded tapes will sound "correct" not "bright". These differences are heard above 15kHz and rise gradually to +2dB at 22kHz. For many this is the "air" region. Treble controls affect a much broader spectrum...typically everthing above 5kHz, so they are a poor simulation of what IEC2 sounds like. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Jeff: Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess !! ). If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks. If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well. Regards, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Hi Scott, This is from your own Nak Problems web site - "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. " I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugo at homebaze.net Tue Jun 26 11:15:19 2007 From: hugo at homebaze.net (Hugo van Galen) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:15:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-100E woes Message-ID: <4680D927.7030902@homebaze.net> Hi everyone, I have just subscribed, so please be gentle. :) I have got a used Nakamichi BX-100E a few years ago and the last time I used it, about 2 years ago, it was working all perfectly. Wanting to convert some old tape yesterday, I wiped the dust of the deck and hooked it up to a PC to find out that it wouldn't play anymore. I found this list and I'm hoping somebody can give me a pointer into the right direction. The problem is that if I push the power button, the only thing that happens is that the lower lights of the recording level meter light up -- but it doesn't do anything else. It really has been too long since I last used it, because I can't even recall whether the buttons on the front-panel lit up when it was powered on, or not. Anyway, now they don't. I opened the cabinet to check for visible 'wear and tear' like blown fuses and stuff like that but, with my very limited knowledge of electronics, it all looks and smells OK. Now I have of course searched the web and I read stuff about an 'idler wheel' possibly needing replacement, but if it would be as simple as little wheel, I would guess I would hear a motor running -- but I don't hear anything at all. The only thing that does make a noise is, what I guess is called a 'transformer' in English, which converts the 220V AC, but that's normal I guess. (Also, there's is something which looks like a transistor near the transformer, which gets pretty hot, of which I assume it is 'by-design' as a metal 'bracket' connects it to the cabinet to get rid of the excess heat. I accidentally touched it (yeah I had the power on, shock hazard yada yada) and the heat from the bracket almost burnt my skin.) Anyway, seeing the two lights in the recording level appear, I would think the electronics are OK, or are they? I doubt it, but somewhere I hope this is a known problem and relatively easily fixed; obviously I'd hate using a crappy Sony Walkman for the job. ;) Thanks in advance for any replies. Cheers, Hugo From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 19:42:09 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913445.28827.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >This would mean that the MR-1B is 2dB lower in the high end than the standard Nak. I'm looking at my statement and don't see a problem. What's your point??? Tape recorded on the MR-1B (IEC-2) and played back on the MR-1 (IEC-1) will have a 4dB boost in the high end (2dB during recording and another 2dB during playback). Tapes recorded on the standard Nak (IEC-1) and playbed back on the MR-1B (IEC-2) will have a 4dB decrease in the high end. So the way I interpret you statement is wrong. SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:33:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: What the MR-1B does not do is give you the 2dB boost in the high end that you maybe refering to when playing an IEC-2 tape on a IEC-1 machine. This boost is due to the playback EQ of an IEC-1 machine. IEC-2 machines put the boost during record and cut it during playback (this is where the dimished performance occurs IEC-2 boost the high end 2dB during record which lowers your maximum record level.) Hi Scott, This would mean that the MR-1B is 2dB lower in the high end than the standard Nak. Look at your own statement. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 19:49:33 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71260.1546.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are right. That service bulletin document (actually it's called Technical Information, PRO-01) does not mention rolled off highs. You have to refer to the service manual addendum that goes over calibrating the MR-1B which says to use a BASF frequency response tape and NOT the Nakamichi tape. It makes a note that the Nakamichi tape will show 2dB low at 20kHz. SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/25/2007 3:01:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm not a fan of IEC-2 either, but, to day that MR-1/2B's have noticeable diminished highs tells me that your decks were not adjusted correctly. Properly adjusted decks should not have noticeable diminished highs. They should be 20-20kHz +/-3 dB just like their IEC-1 counterpart. Where the B decks do fall behind is in high end distortion at high record levels. I would not recommend the conversion either unless, UNLESS you need to playback tapes from other decks (including prerecorded). If it's only occasionally needed then just adjust using the tone controls on your preamp. SJ Hi Scott, This is from your own Nak Problems web site - "The following is from Nakamichi Techinical Information bulletin dated 8/27/85 General-- The following modification is offered in order that the record/playback characteristics of the Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization. It must be noted that record/playback performance of the altered unit will be diminished. " I have lost my copy of this service bulletin, but as I remmber it, it said something about roll-off in the higher frequencies. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 26 20:23:53 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:23:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/26/2007 11:02:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: You have to refer to the service manual addendum that goes over calibrating the MR-1B which says to use a BASF frequency response tape and NOT the Nakamichi tape. It makes a note that the Nakamichi tape will show 2dB low at 20kHz. Thanks for the info. Makes sense. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 26 20:31:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:31:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-100E woes In-Reply-To: <4680D927.7030902@homebaze.net> References: <4680D927.7030902@homebaze.net> Message-ID: <46815B6A.7040404@rcn.com> Hugo van Galen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have just subscribed, so please be gentle. :) > > I have got a used Nakamichi BX-100E a few years ago and the last time I > used it, about 2 years ago, it was working all perfectly. > > Wanting to convert some old tape yesterday, I wiped the dust of the deck > and hooked it up to a PC to find out that it wouldn't play anymore. I > found this list and I'm hoping somebody can give me a pointer into the > right direction. > > The problem is that if I push the power button, the only thing that > happens is that the lower lights of the recording level meter light up > -- but it doesn't do anything else. It really has been too long since I > last used it, because I can't even recall whether the buttons on the > front-panel lit up when it was powered on, or not. Anyway, now they don't. > > I opened the cabinet to check for visible 'wear and tear' like blown > fuses and stuff like that but, with my very limited knowledge of > electronics, it all looks and smells OK. > > Now I have of course searched the web and I read stuff about an 'idler > wheel' possibly needing replacement, but if it would be as simple as > little wheel, I would guess I would hear a motor running -- but I don't > hear anything at all. A worn idler tire will cause problems, but nothing like what you are describing. > The only thing that does make a noise is, what I guess is called a > 'transformer' in English, which converts the 220V AC, but that's normal > I guess. Could be normal, could indicate excessive current draw. > (Also, there's is something which looks like a transistor near > the transformer, which gets pretty hot, of which I assume it is > 'by-design' as a metal 'bracket' connects it to the cabinet to get rid > of the excess heat. I accidentally touched it (yeah I had the power on, > shock hazard yada yada) and the heat from the bracket almost burnt my > skin.) Could be normal, could indicate excessive current draw. (Do I sound like a broken record?) > Anyway, seeing the two lights in the recording level appear, I would > think the electronics are OK, or are they? Not by a long shot. It does indicate that you have power to the display circuit, but nothing else. Could be the wrong voltage or that you do not have power elsewhere. > I doubt it, but somewhere I hope this is a known problem and relatively > easily fixed; obviously I'd hate using a crappy Sony Walkman for the > job. ;) It's a bit like saying."My car won't start, could it be the radio?" The problem needs to be diagnosed. This requires at least some basic instruments and the knowledge to use them. If either is missing, don't bother. Just for fun, try to locate the control motor. It actuates a white cam that controls three leaf switches in back of the transport. Try to help the cam to move while pressing Play and see if it helps. An awfully long shot, but it can't do any harm. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, -- Ron > > Thanks in advance for any replies. > > Cheers, > Hugo From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 26 20:34:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:34:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay In-Reply-To: <8C985F3265E4E78-12F4-3A5E@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C985F3265E4E78-12F4-3A5E@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46815C26.6030609@rcn.com> benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Andy, This does look like a nice deck. I do find it very strange > though, that a tech that has the ability to re-align the transport > having removed the pinch rollers for cleaning, can't resolve the > crackling left channel on playback. I would question the seller in > detail on this point and ask to speak to the tech chap to verify the > details given. It sounds a bit odd. Buyer Beware. > Best Regards Or he could have removed the pinch roller having no idea that they need to be aligned afterwards (how would he do that without a gauge, anyway?) and now the deck needs to be aligned after repairing the noise problem. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 26 20:37:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:37:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46815CFF.2060400@rcn.com> hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Almost has to be the switch. Pretty much isolated to one part! It could be > an orange cap?. Flipping it 30 times might just fix it. Or a cap (doesn't have to be orange, could be an electrolytic) or a PCB trace or a cold solder joint. I've seen any of these associated with 'static'. -- Ron > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 On eBay > > > > Check out this clean ZX-7 on eBay (not mine). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/nakamichi-zx-7-cassete-deck_W0QQitemZ290133088052QQihZ01 > 9QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > The seller mentions a playback problem when the deck's EQ is set to 70 uS > (noisy in right channel). > > What could cause this problem? Could it be simply a dirty EQ switch? > > He says the deck was checked out by a service tech prior to being listed on > eBay. > > By the way, I sincerely don't mean to poke fun, but I think English might > not be the seller's first language. It took me a minute to figure out what > the "bottoms" he mentions actually were. > > > *andy* > From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jun 26 20:49:19 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting Item From a Few Years Back.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897443.81304.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: I lived in London ( England ) in 1975 and there is where I first experienced the Nakamichic 700 and 1000 in a high-end store. At that time I was listening to cassette tapes through a portable sony ( not the WALKMAN ). At that time record stores in London already carried hundreds of cassette titles ( each costs $8 to $9 in 1975 ). I am pretty sure that there is a lot of commerical pre-recorded cassettes available in the market way before 1981 that were recorded using IEC-I standard. They might not sound as good as later releases when CrO2 tapes are widely used. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/26/2007 12:31:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: Sounds like to me that all NAKs are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) and I guess all the other brands ( non-NAK ) also are equalized based on IEC-I (1976 ) before 1981-2. I then assumed that all the commerical pre-recorded cassettes also are equalized based on IEC-I ( 1976 ) as well up to 1981-2. If that is the case, everybody should be compatible with each other before all non-NAK brands switch to IEC-II ( 1981 ) while NAK still stay with IEC-I ( 1976 ). This change probably starts at around 1981-82 ( that is my guess !! ). If the above assumption is true, then a NAK recorded tape should soumd fine when playback on non-NAK decks made before 1981-2. Also a non-NAK recorded tape ( including commerical pre-recorded ) should sound fine as well when playback on a NAK deck. If this a true statement? Please comment. Thanks. If what I just wrote sounds like a joke, then please forgive an idiot like me as well. Regards, Mike Hi Mike, What you have worked out here is consistent with my experience. The one thing I might add is that there weren't very many commercial tapes before 1981. Pre-recorded tapes really took off as a medium around that time, especially for use in cars, and almost all of them are made to the IEC-2 standard. 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At that time I was listening to cassette tapes through a portable sony ( not the WALKMAN ). At that time record stores in London already carried hundreds of cassette titles ( each costs $8 to $9 in 1975 ). I am pretty sure that there is a lot of commerical pre-recorded cassettes available in the market way before 1981 that were recorded using IEC-I standard. They might not sound as good as later releases when CrO2 tapes are widely used. Hi Mike, Those were the days. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm buying up pre-recorded cassettes at garage sales around here for 25 cents a piece and I've noticed virtually all of them seem to have the IEC-2 and sound better on my MR-1B. I'm guessing maybe the manufacturers didn't sell as many at $9 a pop as they did at $5 a few years later into the IEC-2. Just a thought Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hugo at homebaze.net Tue Jun 26 21:58:34 2007 From: hugo at homebaze.net (Hugo van Galen) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:58:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-100E woes In-Reply-To: <46815B6A.7040404@rcn.com> References: <4680D927.7030902@homebaze.net> <46815B6A.7040404@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46816FEA.7020503@homebaze.net> Ron wrote: > > Hugo van Galen wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have just subscribed, so please be gentle. :) >> >> I have got a used Nakamichi BX-100E a few years ago and the last time I >> used it, about 2 years ago, it was working all perfectly. >> >> Wanting to convert some old tape yesterday, I wiped the dust of the deck >> and hooked it up to a PC to find out that it wouldn't play anymore. I >> found this list and I'm hoping somebody can give me a pointer into the >> right direction. >> >> The problem is that if I push the power button, the only thing that >> happens is that the lower lights of the recording level meter light up >> -- but it doesn't do anything else. It really has been too long since I >> last used it, because I can't even recall whether the buttons on the >> front-panel lit up when it was powered on, or not. Anyway, now they >> don't. >> >> I opened the cabinet to check for visible 'wear and tear' like blown >> fuses and stuff like that but, with my very limited knowledge of >> electronics, it all looks and smells OK. >> >> Now I have of course searched the web and I read stuff about an 'idler >> wheel' possibly needing replacement, but if it would be as simple as >> little wheel, I would guess I would hear a motor running -- but I don't >> hear anything at all. > > A worn idler tire will cause problems, but nothing > like what you are describing. Simply because I misplaced a decent fitting screwdriver I am not able to remove that panel that hides that tire from plain view, but if I look from above, I can partly see mechanics and it looks like I see a white sprocket, not a tire (I understand from reading some stuff on the internet that it's likely that it may have been modified -- this deck has been heavily used in a studio in a now defunct company). >> The only thing that does make a noise is, what I guess is called a >> 'transformer' in English, which converts the 220V AC, but that's normal >> I guess. > > Could be normal, could indicate excessive current draw. > >> (Also, there's is something which looks like a transistor near >> the transformer, which gets pretty hot, of which I assume it is >> 'by-design' as a metal 'bracket' connects it to the cabinet to get rid >> of the excess heat. I accidentally touched it (yeah I had the power on, >> shock hazard yada yada) and the heat from the bracket almost burnt my >> skin.) > > Could be normal, could indicate excessive current draw. > (Do I sound like a broken record?) Or something wrong with the transformer itself, perhaps.... > >> Anyway, seeing the two lights in the recording level appear, I would >> think the electronics are OK, or are they? > > Not by a long shot. It does indicate that you have power > to the display circuit, but nothing else. Could be the > wrong voltage or that you do not have power elsewhere. > >> I doubt it, but somewhere I hope this is a known problem and relatively >> easily fixed; obviously I'd hate using a crappy Sony Walkman for the >> job. ;) > > It's a bit like saying."My car won't start, could it > be the radio?" The problem needs to be diagnosed. > This requires at least some basic instruments and > the knowledge to use them. If either is missing, > don't bother. Yeah I know but was hoping the symptoms are 'typical' for a certain problem and someone with a lot of experience would recognize it. :) Now I do have a multimeter and a very, very limited knowledge of electronics, only have dared to measure a few things, but have noticed that there is absolutely no current going to any of the motors if the device powered on, I don't know if that should be the case. The voltage through the switches for detecting whether the tray is closed and such, is a mere 0.02V, which seems a bit odd? The yellow wires from the transformer to the board are giving it a pretty steady current of 33.5V -- but also I have absolutely no idea what this *should* be. I did notice a "+12V" text near a pin on the board to which a red wire is connected which comes from near the transformer, but I am not too sure how to measure that one as I don't know where to get it's accompanying - from, if you get what I mean. Please forgive my lack of jargon, English isn't my maiden language, definitely not technical electronic. :-) > Just for fun, try to locate the control motor. It > actuates a white cam that controls three leaf > switches in back of the transport. Try to help the > cam to move while pressing Play and see if it helps. > An awfully long shot, but it can't do any harm. Aha, so that thing is called a 'cam' -- I just couldn't describe it so didn't write anything about it -- initially I was wondering what those switches do, but meanwhile I have read somewhere that those switches are telling the CPU something about the state that the device is in... Anyway, pressing 'Play' does nothing at all -- it seems like it is just unresponsive. It also is impossible to manually force it because I just can't reach it with my big fingers. Now back to those mentioned leaf switches above that cam, what is the initial state I wonder, and should the machine automatically move/reset to a start-position if it is turned on? > > Sorry I couldn't be of more help, Thanks anyway, it's much appreciated! Cheers, Hugo From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 26 19:50:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:50:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-100E woes In-Reply-To: <4680D927.7030902@homebaze.net> Message-ID: Hugo, Remove the bottom cover and find the cam motor. It is on the rear of the transport and drives the white cam gear through a worm gear. Give the worm gear a little poke to get it turning. If you have some Deoxit contact cleaner, spray a bit in the motor's rear slots. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hugo van Galen Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi BX-100E woes Hi everyone, I have just subscribed, so please be gentle. :) I have got a used Nakamichi BX-100E a few years ago and the last time I used it, about 2 years ago, it was working all perfectly. Wanting to convert some old tape yesterday, I wiped the dust of the deck and hooked it up to a PC to find out that it wouldn't play anymore. I found this list and I'm hoping somebody can give me a pointer into the right direction. The problem is that if I push the power button, the only thing that happens is that the lower lights of the recording level meter light up -- but it doesn't do anything else. It really has been too long since I last used it, because I can't even recall whether the buttons on the front-panel lit up when it was powered on, or not. Anyway, now they don't. I opened the cabinet to check for visible 'wear and tear' like blown fuses and stuff like that but, with my very limited knowledge of electronics, it all looks and smells OK. Now I have of course searched the web and I read stuff about an 'idler wheel' possibly needing replacement, but if it would be as simple as little wheel, I would guess I would hear a motor running -- but I don't hear anything at all. The only thing that does make a noise is, what I guess is called a 'transformer' in English, which converts the 220V AC, but that's normal I guess. (Also, there's is something which looks like a transistor near the transformer, which gets pretty hot, of which I assume it is 'by-design' as a metal 'bracket' connects it to the cabinet to get rid of the excess heat. I accidentally touched it (yeah I had the power on, shock hazard yada yada) and the heat from the bracket almost burnt my skin.) Anyway, seeing the two lights in the recording level appear, I would think the electronics are OK, or are they? I doubt it, but somewhere I hope this is a known problem and relatively easily fixed; obviously I'd hate using a crappy Sony Walkman for the job. ;) Thanks in advance for any replies. Cheers, Hugo ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 26 22:43:28 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:43:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Cassette deck advice? In-Reply-To: <467FB80D.5050201@snet.net> References: <467EB6DF.9020506@rcn.com> <467FB80D.5050201@snet.net> Message-ID: <46817A70.7010301@rcn.com> Edward Noyes wrote: > I think a Nakamichi 250 would fit ;-) > In all seriousness though, it probably would fit Alas, it doesn't. Meanwhile, I've talked the wife into settling for CD-Rs. I'm going to connect a computer into the A/V system anyway. Should be easy to burn a bunch of CD-Rs for her from the LPs and cassettes she likes. All's well that ends well. -- Ron if you had the > clearance for the front to stick out a few inches. Of course you'd still > need to come up with the amplification end of things (unless the Camry > has an audio input for an MP3). > > Ed > > > Ron wrote: > >> >> I have just added a cassette deck to my Accord. Not a Nak, >> but an original Honda deck, that I got off the eplace for >> 55 bucks. More than good enough for a car. >> >> So far, so good.. but now my wife wants a cassette deck >> for her new Camry. Needless to say, Toyota no longer makes >> cassette decks available. There's a CD player in the radio >> and no space for a cassette deck in sight. There is, >> however, a small space with power and audio input jacks >> inside; probably meant for a hands free phone or maybe an >> MP3 player. >> >> Question: does anyone know of a small cassette deck that I >> can kludge into this 5.5" by 5.5" (height is not a problem) >> area? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 27 02:01:11 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:01:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > and this: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > yet no bids so far for: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > SEALED- > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I don't get it. > > George I don't think it's that crazy, except the middle one. The MA-R's are somewhat special with the metal cases. I may have been something close to that for one sealed one, but I probably wouldn't again. I wouldn't pay that much for a MA-90 even of that generation, but sometwo might have thought it was an MA-R if they didn't look carefully, or they want that particular generation Most people don't want 46s if they actually are going to use them. I've bought some but usually only if it's something special AND its a decent quantity AND not too expensive. For me one from the UK isn't worth the shipping even if goes for its opening bid. Even if I'm not going to use them, I like to think I'm getting something I might conceivably use :-). Just weird psychology, I guess.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Wed Jun 27 00:53:59 2007 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:53:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 build history Message-ID: I have a CR-7A built during second quarter of 1991 (round sticker says 456 1991). Wanted to know if it has the gear mod and EQ upgrades. From other forums I have read any serial numbers greater than A130-10600 should have it, mine has 01872 with no A130 in front of it. Any one out there know the build / updates history on the CR-7A. I do not want to pull the cassette holder plate off to look for the gear update as the screws are very small and I am afraid I may loose them. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jun 27 03:10:32 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:10:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <19836850.1182906632089.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 07:07:03 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <19836850.1182906632089.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <487732.64653.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Any one out there know the build / updates history on the CR-7A. I do not want to pull the cassette holder plate off to look for the gear update as the screws are very small and I am afraid I may loose them. --------------------------------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 27 08:40:18 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:40:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...!ALEX! Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping.Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right.Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........Roland---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > and this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > yet no bids so far for:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > I don't get it.> >> > George========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 27 08:41:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:41:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46820682.8020007@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-VINTAGE-1979-MA-R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> and this: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-VINTAGE-1979-MA-R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> yet no bids so far for: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED-NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> I don't get it. >> >> George > > I don't think it's that crazy, except the middle one. The MA-R's are > somewhat special with the metal cases. I may have been something close > to that for one sealed one, but I probably wouldn't again. > I wouldn't pay that much for a MA-90 even of that generation, but > sometwo might have thought it was an MA-R if they didn't look carefully, > or they want that particular generation > Most people don't want 46s if they actually are going to use them. I've > bought some but usually only if it's something special AND its a decent > quantity AND not too expensive. For me one from the UK > isn't worth the shipping even if goes for its opening bid. > > Even if I'm not going to use them, I like to think I'm getting something > I might conceivably use :-). Just weird psychology, I guess.-kby This is the 'ebay phenomenon', where a bunch of suckers compete with each other on how much they can be taken for, for something that in the pre-ebay days could not be given away. I've seen people pay for a used, dilapidated article twice what a new one would cost them at the corner store. Oh, BTW. Some time ago I bought a small stock of MA-90 and 110, for something like a buck and a half each. No, these are not metal shells, nor have they been blessed by the Dalai Lama, but they seem to play just fine. -- Ron From benstratford at aol.com Wed Jun 27 08:55:32 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:55:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <487732.64653.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9869F4A6268A0-EE0-72C0@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Ram, I agree with you points on tapes.  In my experience, I have managed to try approx 20 MA-R's that were all second hand.  Only one has a problem with some squealing noise but all the others are very good and perform well.  I would recommend trying these tapes used at £5 - £10 a go rather than the £40 that the sealed ones achieve. In terms of those decks listed, I have come to learn now that your top 3 should be a top 4 with the CR-7 in there.  Personally I'd put it 3rd now that I've used it a while.  The Dragon is very difficult to compare as it sounds so different but not in a necessarily bad way, just different.  In technical terms though - a masterpiece. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 6.07am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Roland,   1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays.   2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest.   3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot.   Ram         Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Building a website is a piece of cake. 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jun 27 09:25:36 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:25:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: I think this debate is always interesting for a couple of reasons. We are users of high-end metal and bought metals in the days when they were relatively (to today) affordable. So, we have trouble equating the price of them now with market-driven, plain, simple supply and demand economics. But one cannot run away from the fact that while there is a demand, scarcity will drive the prices up. I believe that demand will remain roughly constant for the foreseeable furture but scarcity will increase. Whatever we may feel about the relatively humdrum functions that a mere tape is capable of, the price is now governed by a new set of rules that have little to do with audio recording. Extrapolating the point for an indulgent moment, how many of the big auctions at Sotheby's go down in favour of the enthusiast and how many for the investor? I don't know the answer, but I sense that our irritation with the inflated prices has to do with our fixation on the actual utility of the item. And finally, much as I like a TDK SA for certain projects, it really can't match the inimitable merits of metal - any metal. It just wouldn't be fair to compare them. All the best - Marc >>> shantiram2000 at yahoo.com 6/27/2007 7:07:03 AM >>> Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 27 12:09:46 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:09:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 build history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4682376A.6040209@rcn.com> Jacob Maniyatte wrote: > I have a CR-7A built during second quarter of 1991 (round sticker says > 456 1991). Wanted to know if it has the gear mod and EQ upgrades. From > other forums I have read any serial numbers greater than A130-10600 > should have it, mine has 01872 with no A130 in front of it. Any one out > there know the build / updates history on the CR-7A. I do not want to > pull the cassette holder plate off to look for the gear update as the > screws are very small and I am afraid I may loose them. I suspect the 001872 is not the serial number of the deck. My CR-7 was manufactured in Q4 of 1985. Its serial number is A130-02853. It's unlikely a deck manufactured over 5 years later has a lower S/N. -- Ron From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 14:11:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <8C9869F4A6268A0-EE0-72C0@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <562323.53382.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Alright, I shall give the CR7 number 4. The Dragon, like I said is a great deck, no doubt, but putting it above the masters of Nak ( the ones I mentioned) is kind of edgy in my opinion. I know, I have a Dragon( rather had it,- last night I fouled it up trying to swith transports and soldering loose caps on its PCB. It turned on and went blip!- DEAD NOW!) The quest never ceases. its now between a Dragon and the TEAC X-2000R. And I thought I was done after the ZXL limited Ben! Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, I agree with you points on tapes. In my experience, I have managed to try approx 20 MA-R's that were all second hand. Only one has a problem with some squealing noise but all the others are very good and perform well. I would recommend trying these tapes used at £5 - £10 a go rather than the £40 that the sealed ones achieve. In terms of those decks listed, I have come to learn now that your top 3 should be a top 4 with the CR-7 in there. Personally I'd put it 3rd now that I've used it a while. The Dragon is very difficult to compare as it sounds so different but not in a necessarily bad way, just different. In technical terms though - a masterpiece. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 6.07am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...! ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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I personally have not had the opportunity to use any MA-R but have a small stock of the MA-XG. Also have someThat's EM-X stock all sealed to test, waiting for my Nakamichi ZX9 and 682ZX to be serviced soon at Bowers & Wilkins hence the interest. I was fortunate to buy a 100 of the BASF Chrome Super C60 tapes and without too much testing, sound pretty good on my Sony TC D5 Pro portable. Best regards Jagtar Jagtar Semplay jagtar at semplay.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jun 27 16:34:29 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:34:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: Dear Mike, Yes; your are right in point! But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:14 -0700From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.com Alex: I believe listening is a very subjective matter. What I like to hear may not be the same as yours. People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...!ALEX! Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping.Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right.Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........Roland---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > and this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > yet no bids so far for:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > I don't get it.> >> > George========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Building a website is a piece of cake. 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URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 27 16:37:32 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:37:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 record imbalance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are adjustments inside the deck. Adjustment requires an oscillator and AC voltmeter. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of robert black Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 record imbalance I have a BX-100 that has a record imbalance. When recording the levels are even,on play back the right channel is higher than the left.The right channel sounds louder. Is there an adjustment to solve this issue...thanks Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jun 27 16:51:48 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <67744.577.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alex: Good points. This reminds me of owning a Ferrari and not been able to keep it in top shape is a waste. At the same time, it seems to me that few people talk about the little brother of the 1000ZXL at all - of course I mean the 700ZXL. Peace, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Dear Mike, Yes; your are right in point! But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:14 -0700 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Alex: I believe listening is a very subjective matter. What I like to hear may not be the same as yours. People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...! ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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From other forums I have read any serial numbers greater than A130-10600 should have it, mine has 01872 with no A130 in front of it. Any one out there know the build / updates history on the CR-7A. I do not want to pull the cassette holder plate off to look for the gear update as the screws are very small and I am afraid I may loose them. It almost certainly has the gear idler. They switched in 1989 from the rubber one to the gear one. Your deck is now the 4th or 5th CR-7 I have heard of with a very weird serial number - I have seen ones on eBay with a serial number printed on a paper sticker. I don't know what's up with that. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 16:47:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:47:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-100E Problems Message-ID: <062720071447.16440.46827893000B42840000403822165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ***NOTE: If any fellow NakTalkers need to correct any of the following information, please do so! I tried my best to be accurate! Hi Hugo, and welcome to NakTalk! I saw your question about your Nakamichi BX-100E not behaving properly. I have some things you should check. First of all, you say that you don't hear any motors running. Are you sure? The motors inside Nakamichi decks are EXTREMELY quiet. DO THIS: Press the Eject button to open the door to the cassette well (the cassette well is the area that holds a cassette tape). Turn the deck on and then take a close look at the capstan. The capstan is a smooth shiny chrome "spike" located in the lower-right area of the cassette well, just to the right of the playback head. (NOTE: The capstan is the THIN spike that is more or less directly beneath the black plastic tape hub on the right hand side, not the THICK cone-shaped spikes located down at the bottom-left and bottom-right corners of the cassette well.) The capstan looks like a chrome pencil, with the sharp end pointing directly at you as you look into the cassette well. THIS CAPSTAN SHOULD BE SPINNING. It constantly spins whilst the deck is turned on, even if you never insert a tape or press Play. Here's what the capstan mechanism looks like on the inside (BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH ANYTHING INSIDE THE DECK WHILST THE DECK IS PLUGGED IN AND TURNED ON.) If you take the cover off of the deck and turn the deck on, you can see the actual capstan motor spinning. If you are looking at the front side of the deck, this motor will be mounted on the rear of the tape transport assembly, at the top-left corner. It is a little round motor that looks like a little can of lager. Seriously! This motor turns a small brass pulley that has a wide rubber belt wrapped round it. The other end of the rubber belt is wrapped around a rather large metal drum. The motor turns the large metal drum via this rubber belt. Look at the large drum. It (and the capstan motor) should be spinning as long as the deck is turned on. (I guess you have already figured out that the capstan spike is attached to this large rotating drum.) As for the lights on the front of the deck: When you turn the deck on, two lights should be lit, in addition to the bottom two lights on the level meters: the Master Fader "UP" light, and the STOP light. If these two lights are NOT lit, then you do have a problem. The lights and control buttons for the deck are mounted on a small printed-circuit board mounted just behind the face of the deck. The problem is either a bad connection to this printed-circuit board (easy to fix), or the deck's logic circuit, located on a different printed-circuit board mounted in the same general area, may have developed a fault (not so easy to fix because of parts availability). My BX-300 developed a fault where the digital counter kept resetting itself and the deck kept returning itself to Play, even when no tape was in it. It turned out that my deck had an IC (integrated circuit) chip in the logic circuit that had somehow died and could not accurately control the deck or the counter anymore. Basic ally, my deck's brain had stopped functioning. The bad news was that this IC chip CANNOT be found anywhere, unless you have access to a parts deck with the same chip in it. A NakTalk friend kindly sold me a parts deck that had the chip I needed, and my BX-300 is healthy once again. One other possibility for your BX-100E: The mode motor contacts may be dirty. This is a common problem with these decks, and can cause a variety of problems and strange behaviour. Unplug the deck and take off the top cover. The mode motor is mounted sideways near the top of the cassette transport assembly. It is right next to the capstan motor. You will see three tiny copper or brass leaf switches mounted on top of the mode motor. they look like long thin pieces of shiny gold-coloured metal--which is what they are! You clean these switches by spraying a high-quality electrical contact cleaner on them. In extreme cases you must take a thin piece of index card, spray it with contact cleaner, and then GENTLY "scrub" the underside of each leaf switch whilst GENTLY pressing down on the top of the switch to maintain adequate pressure. You must NOT bend or deform these switches in any way whilst doing this operation!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for the idler tyre: If you have never gotten service on this deck, then I can guarantee you that the rubber idler tyre MUST be replaced because it is very tired and worn out at this point. It is VERY important that the rubber idler tyre is in good condition, because it is the part that contacts the tape hubs and drives their movement. If the tyre is worn, it loses traction when it contacts the tape hubs and the deck cannot Play, RW, or FF properly. The problem gets progressively worse until the deck cannot move the tape at all in either direction and may even start eating tapes. Fortunately, new replacement tyres are readily available and easily found. WARNING: If you are not mechanically inclined, then I recommend that you take it to a reputable service firm that is authorised to work on Nakamichi equipment. The tyre is not hard to locate and is not too difficult to replace, but if you don't know what you are doing, you can break the idler assembly and then the deck is useless. TO LOCATE THE IDLER TYRE: Open the cassette door and look for two small screws on the back wall of the cassette well. These screws hold the back wall plate of the cassette well in place. The screws will be in the upper-left and upper right corners. Remove these screws and then, using a toothpick, GENTLY pry the back wall plate of the cassette well toward you and remove the plate up and out of the deck. DO NOT FORCE THE PLATE TO MOVE IF IT GETS STUCK. If you encounter any resistance, the plate has bumped into something that is preventing it from moving any further. If this happens, just gently jiggle the plate free. Once the plate has been removed, you will see the idler wheel with its little rubber tyre, located between the two black plastic tape hubs. You will notice that this idler wheel is mounted on a little pivot. You can swing the idler wheel back and forth like a pendulum. This pivot is the fragile part. Any other questions, please feel free to ask. Good Luck! *andy* From kiawjin at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 16:50:24 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 serial numbers Message-ID: <65269.22849.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just aquired a used Nak ZX-7 from ebay with this serial number:A124-14341, and judging from the SN,in which year did the deck manufacture? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 27 19:21:14 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:21:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: > Roland, > > 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I > agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. > > 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. > The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and > pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. > > 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try > the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really > no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly > not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. > > Ram How much "better" the tapes sound depends on a lot of factors other than the deck. In addition to the condition of your ears and their training, the actual content and the source from which it's recorded are going to make a lot of difference. This is especially true with tapes under the same playback EQ and even more so for autocal decks that are more user-optimizable for each tape. Where the metals will shine the most is in music that contains the widest variation of frequency, transient, and dynamic within a single piece (IMHO). Music with just high frequency transients, or just bass, or...etc. can usually be made to sound pretty identical by the way (mostly level) you record it on a good deck. It's funny, but the ads that (for especially the "premium" tapes like above) say "great for your Nak 1000zxl" (or some similar statement, but what I find is that the better the deck, the less important the cassette is (within certain reasonable parameters)--at least for the "average" recording. The differences show up more in the "extreme" recordings. The other "sound differences" are probably more the sonic signature of the tape, which is a more debateable point-- the best signature, of course, is none. This is also speaking only with respect to the tape itself. The other matter for the higher end tapes (which one may or may not decide is worth it) is the shell construction and longevity.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 27 19:49:49 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:49:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <18514AC9-0791-43FA-B765-BC63576262E5@alumni.caltech.edu> > But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes > to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a > Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation > of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if > still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. > Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! > > When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be > repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! > To save Bala some typing, I'd like to dispel some of this unrepairability myth of the 1000zxl. Excepting the cosmetic parts--which are unique to any particular model--just that there are less 1000zxls out there, especially the gold ones--and they are more expensive to think of using as "parts" machines as well as that being philosophically unpleasing--there actually aren't a lot of unique parts in the 1000zxl. There's just a lot more of most parts. For the purposes of this discussion, I wish to treat circuit boards count as cosmetic parts as well, as they are physically dependent on the specific model. Granted, there are less service personnel willing to touch it, but that's more based on the complexity of the deck (and partly the myth of unrepairability), and, to a lesser extent, the availability of parts for ANY [Nak] machine of that era-- e.g. the 680zx. Alex, the mechanism for the Dragon, while newer and more numerous, is actually much more unique than the 1000zxl! Many of the mechanism parts for the 1000zxl (even the gold one) can be had from a 480! I'd have to check to be absolutely sure, but the gauges required to adjust the 1000zxl mechanically are the same ones as needed for the Dragon (or a subset); it certainly shares them with the 680zx and 700zx* decks. One final note on the cosmetic parts--I've probably been looking for a level knob for my Dragon almost as long as the analagous part for my gold 1000zxl (I do expect I'll eventually be able to find the former and don't really expect the latter). On the electronic parts, the only parts that I can think of that are unique to the 1000zxl only is the ABEL CPU chip (because of the program burned in the ROM) and the memory chips used to store settings. The RAMM CPU is shared with the 700zxl-- actually the whole RAMM board. There are actually 3 boards that are pin-compatible with the 700zxl: the record & playback Dolby boards and the RAMM board. The memory chips used are different between the 1000zxl and 700zxl and I believe are somewhat hard to get (I know the 700zxl's are, but they were "stock" and not "custom" parts at least at the time and are available from some legacy parts sellers). Pots and switches: to be cosmetically equivalent, may be unique (but true for any model like cosmetic parts), but the functional aspects aren't particularly difficult to obtain (unlike, say, a Marantz 2600/2500/2385 that has a volume pot with 4 gangs in 2 pairs of values). The test boxes are unique to the 1000zxl and 700zxl (and different between the two) but the schematics for them are in the service manual and they don't require exceptionally weird parts (the connectors are the worst and those can be dealt with) and no exceptional skill to build--just time and patience. I've just spent the last couple of months successfully resurrecting a 1000zxl (which should have been in OK mechanical alignment but had some electrical issues), and I don't consider myself particularly adept at electronic "projects"-- nowhere near a good tech--let alone a 1000zxl "specialist" or even a "Nak specialist". Bala, Tom, Ron, Kanaan, or many others on this list could have done it in significantly less time (if they had the inclination and actual time to do it) and with a much more aesthetically pleasing (in terms of board work-- although for this deck I started with a handicapped job in that such was butchered by some previous tech) result.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Jun 27 20:24:59 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:24:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: Well said Kimo. Another plus point is that the deck is very easy to work on access wise. The face plate can be off in 7 minutes once its' 20 or so connectors are pulled. Being that they are all numbered and colour coded, replacement is a breeze with practice. Boards are easily exposed apart from the two at the bottom of the deck which are still reasonable to work on. The back panel flips down to reveal another angle of entry. Dismantling of the faceplate is also straight forward and there is bags of room around the transport section. Contrast this with many other Naks that are a pain in the Butt. Rgds, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 21:03:22 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <67305A13-5A5D-4230-B8EB-D751F818B1E0@semplay.com> Message-ID: <562497.12755.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jagtar, The MA-XG is a dual coated tape of Finavinx( TDKs trade name for their cobalt adsorbed metal particle) and the MA-R is essentially a TDK MA in an esoteric shell. The eq settings ( in a recorder so equipped) are quite different than they are for the MA( single layer) and some decks can not record well to the MA-XG, but the MA-R should be no issue to any deck. I personally prefer the MA-R( if I can find one!) or the plain old MA. THEN AGAIN ITS JUST MY PREFERENCE. Ram Jagtar Semplay wrote: Hello Marc Just wanted to know if there is much of a difference between the TDK MA-R and the MA-XG ? I personally have not had the opportunity to use any MA-R but have a small stock of the MA-XG. Also have someThat's EM-X stock all sealed to test, waiting for my Nakamichi ZX9 and 682ZX to be serviced soon at Bowers & Wilkins hence the interest. I was fortunate to buy a 100 of the BASF Chrome Super C60 tapes and without too much testing, sound pretty good on my Sony TC D5 Pro portable. Best regards Jagtar Jagtar Semplay jagtar at semplay.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 21:06:41 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 build history In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <397994.19547.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi jeff, It very well could have been this way. maybe someone swapped the transport into an older CR7 body( like what i did recently) and therefore the decks serial number is wacky. Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/26/2007 9:40:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmaniyat at hotmail.com writes: I have a CR-7A built during second quarter of 1991 (round sticker says 456 1991). Wanted to know if it has the gear mod and EQ upgrades. From other forums I have read any serial numbers greater than A130-10600 should have it, mine has 01872 with no A130 in front of it. Any one out there know the build / updates history on the CR-7A. I do not want to pull the cassette holder plate off to look for the gear update as the screws are very small and I am afraid I may loose them. It almost certainly has the gear idler. They switched in 1989 from the rubber one to the gear one. Your deck is now the 4th or 5th CR-7 I have heard of with a very weird serial number - I have seen ones on eBay with a serial number printed on a paper sticker. I don't know what's up with that. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 21:33:21 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <67744.577.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80923.52639.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex and Mike, With utmost respect to both of you, I truly believe and know that the ZXL is one of the best, if not the best, cassette decks ever made both in terms of build quality and sound quality and spoecifications. I also believe that there are individuals who are perfectly capable of restoring these machines like others restore Dragons and the like. You have got to know these people to realize this. I have nothing against the Dragon at all. Far from the truth. I actually own two of them. Having said that, the internal build quality of the Dragon with the exception of the double direct drive motors, is actually utter chaos. Ask any technician and they will tell you that I am right on the mark. the Dragon seems to have been put together in a rush job kind of thing with absolutely no organization of anything within the box. On the other hand, if you examine the 1000ZXL, CR-7 or even the 680ZX, you can tell the superb orchestration of every component within the chassis, with of course, the ZXL being the best built and readily repairable if the need arises. Its just that the ZXL has received unfair and negative publicity in this and other forum out of sheer ignorance of its working by many.Its in fact the most logically built deck. period. Please friends, do not malign the mighty ZXL for no real reason. Bala, Tom, Wouter! I need some convincing here in technical lingo from you experts now, for I know, i am correct on this. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Alex: Good points. This reminds me of owning a Ferrari and not been able to keep it in top shape is a waste. At the same time, it seems to me that few people talk about the little brother of the 1000ZXL at all - of course I mean the 700ZXL. Peace, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Dear Mike, Yes; your are right in point! But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:14 -0700 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Alex: I believe listening is a very subjective matter. What I like to hear may not be the same as yours. People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...! ALEX! --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 27 22:18:16 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:18:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <18514AC9-0791-43FA-B765-BC63576262E5@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <18514AC9-0791-43FA-B765-BC63576262E5@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4682C608.5080102@xs4all.nl> Very well said Kimo! As an owner of a 1000ZXL, 700ZXE, ZX7/9 and Dragon I must say that The Dragon as given me the most trouble, also the ZX-9 had some fixed orange cap problems. The other decks (1000ZXL as well) has been a stable going deck since I bought it a few years ago. I think all Naks have their own problems, only a 1000ZXL has more technology inside and is more complex to fix. People like Bala who are willing to invest time in understanding the ZXL's have proven that they are repairable and that makes me confident that if I may have a problem with mine I can ask him to help me out. My Dragon, well it will never be my favorite as it is to others, may have nothing to do with the deck just my bad luck with this one, just like there have been unfortunate ZXL owners on this list... Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to >> such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon >> or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this >> very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still >> possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. >> Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! >> >> >> >> When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired >> as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! >> > > To save Bala some typing, I'd like to dispel some of this > unrepairability myth of the 1000zxl. > > Excepting the cosmetic parts--which are unique to any particular > model--just that there are less 1000zxls out there, especially the > gold ones--and they are more expensive > to think of using as "parts" machines as well as that being > philosophically unpleasing--there actually aren't a lot of unique > parts in the 1000zxl. There's just a lot > more of most parts. For the purposes of this discussion, I wish to > treat circuit boards count as cosmetic parts as well, as they are > physically dependent on the specific model. > > Granted, there are less service personnel willing to touch it, but > that's more based on the complexity of the deck (and partly the myth > of unrepairability), and, to a lesser > extent, the availability of parts for ANY [Nak] machine of that > era--e.g. the 680zx. > > Alex, the mechanism for the Dragon, while newer and more numerous, is > actually much more unique than the 1000zxl! Many of the mechanism > parts for the 1000zxl > (even the gold one) can be had from a 480! I'd have to check to be > absolutely sure, but the gauges required to adjust the 1000zxl > mechanically are the same ones as > needed for the Dragon (or a subset); it certainly shares them with the > 680zx and 700zx* decks. > > One final note on the cosmetic parts--I've probably been looking for a > level knob for my Dragon almost as long as the analagous part for my > gold 1000zxl (I do expect I'll > eventually be able to find the former and don't really expect the latter). > > On the electronic parts, the only parts that I can think of that are > unique to the 1000zxl only is the ABEL CPU chip (because of the > program burned in the ROM) and the memory > chips used to store settings. The RAMM CPU is shared with the > 700zxl--actually the whole RAMM board. There are actually 3 boards > that are pin-compatible with the 700zxl: the record > & playback Dolby boards and the RAMM board. The memory chips used are > different between the 1000zxl and 700zxl and I believe are somewhat > hard to get (I know the 700zxl's > are, but they were "stock" and not "custom" parts at least at the time > and are available from some legacy parts sellers). Pots and switches: > to be cosmetically equivalent, may be > unique (but true for any model like cosmetic parts), but the > functional aspects aren't particularly difficult to obtain (unlike, > say, a Marantz 2600/2500/2385 that has a volume > pot with 4 gangs in 2 pairs of values). > > The test boxes are unique to the 1000zxl and 700zxl (and different > between the two) but the schematics for them are in the service manual > and they don't require > exceptionally weird parts (the connectors are the worst and those can > be dealt with) and no exceptional skill to build--just time and patience. > > I've just spent the last couple of months successfully resurrecting a > 1000zxl (which should have been in OK mechanical alignment but had > some electrical issues), and I > don't consider myself particularly adept at electronic > "projects"--nowhere near a good tech--let alone a 1000zxl "specialist" > or even a "Nak specialist". Bala, Tom, Ron, Kanaan, or > many others on this list could have done it in significantly less time > (if they had the inclination and actual time to do it) and with a much > more aesthetically pleasing (in terms of board work-- > although for this deck I started with a handicapped job in that such > was butchered by some previous tech) result.-kby > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 28 03:01:53 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:01:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <19836850.1182906632089.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: Interesting ... I'd not noticed the price rise for the TDK MA-XG90's ... I'll have to have a count up and decide if I should put some of my stock up for sale! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 27 June 2007 02:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Kimo B. Yap Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Jun 28 01:34:13 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:34:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: <128705.48519.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <128705.48519.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi thanks for your replies about the pinch rollers correct me if i'm wrong, but from my 700II service manual it looks as if I'd need to use the M300 jig to set the guide height whether I used Tom's full pinch roller set or Bala's individual rollers? Bala, are your rollers replaceable without taking the pinch roller housing out of the transport? while the rollers don't look too good I have other issues with my 700II.. all the touch buttons work well but on pressing RW, you can here the relay click but you don't always get RW, after several attempts you do. I'm guessing this could be a faulty relay rather than other logic problems. I'll have to test it. I still haven't managed to find a reasonably priced tape torque meter yet so I can't set the tape torque, which I originally altered as the tape folded on RW and couldn't FF all the way through a C90 - it seems fine now but I need to set it accurately. I need a bit of encouragement with this machine - it's beautiful,big and very well made but hasn't excited me as much as my 680 / 682ZX - probably because it's not working as it should! adrian On 25 Jun 2007, at 10:42, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > I sell the pinch rollers for US$5 per pair. > > Regards, > Bala > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Adrian, > I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the > erase > head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge > is also > needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or > otherwise > get it adjusted correctly? > The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers > > > hi - > > i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or > someone said Tom has some available? > > adrian > > > On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > > Steven > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Jun 28 01:38:03 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:38:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 repair experiences.. Message-ID: <4E153715-BA64-4102-AE02-3913AF5AB664@thegreatbear.net> Tom have you looked at the 550 you recently said you'd be working on soon? I still have an issue going from RW into FF or play and vice versa where the reels spin the wrong way initially for a second - maybe a torque issue - i've replaced the main drive / capstan belt but still the same. It's a great machine though and sounds very good to me, although I haven't fed it with batteries and mics yet! Just recorded in the house. adrian From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 28 03:35:45 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:35:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: In a message dated 6/27/2007 6:10:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, grahamanelson at googlemail.com writes: Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Not even close. There's one listed on eBay for $85 plus $10 shipping. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 27 23:05:29 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:05:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <80923.52639.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would consider the Dragon the most difficult to repair. Dynamic playback azimuth that functions correctly in 2 directions (with 2 groups of adjustments) is a bear to troubleshoot and repair. I'm learning but I am very slow. On the subject of blank tapes, metal is valuable to those who cannot tolerate high frequency self erasure over time, or for those recording at 1/2 speed on the 680. Otherwise, the slight MOL advantage is offset by the harmonic and IM distortion at those peak levels. For live recording with no chance to rehearse, metal adds some margin for error, but otherwise SX tape will do just fine. Remember the MA-R were $12 US new. Wouldn't that be $24 today? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:33 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Alex and Mike, With utmost respect to both of you, I truly believe and know that the ZXL is one of the best, if not the best, cassette decks ever made both in terms of build quality and sound quality and spoecifications. I also believe that there are individuals who are perfectly capable of restoring these machines like others restore Dragons and the like. You have got to know these people to realize this. I have nothing against the Dragon at all. Far from the truth. I actually own two of them. Having said that, the internal build quality of the Dragon with the exception of the double direct drive motors, is actually utter chaos. Ask any technician and they will tell you that I am right on the mark. the Dragon seems to have been put together in a rush job kind of thing with absolutely no organization of anything within the box. On the other hand, if you examine the 1000ZXL, CR-7 or even the 680ZX, you can tell the superb orchestration of every component within the chassis, with of course, the ZXL being the best built and readily repairable if the need arises. Its just that the ZXL has received unfair and negative publicity in this and other forum out of sheer ignorance of its working by many.Its in fact the most logically built deck. period. Please friends, do not malign the mighty ZXL for no real reason. Bala, Tom, Wouter! I need some convincing here in technical lingo from you experts now, for I know, i am correct on this. Thanks Ram LENA WONG wrote: Hi Alex: Good points. This reminds me of owning a Ferrari and not been able to keep it in top shape is a waste. At the same time, it seems to me that few people talk about the little brother of the 1000ZXL at all - of course I mean the 700ZXL. Peace, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Dear Mike, Yes; your are right in point! But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! Peace, ALEX! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:14 -0700 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Alex: I believe listening is a very subjective matter. What I like to hear may not be the same as yours. People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...! ALEX! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > and this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > yet no bids so far for: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I don't get it. > > > > George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Hoping for an easy fix... -Jesse From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 28 05:31:28 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:31:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <7765744.1183001488968.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Graham, Here ya go, a box of 5 TDK MA-XG90's for almost $200. Yup, $40 bucks a piece. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170123128666&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=007 ---- Graham Nelson wrote: > Interesting ... I'd not noticed the price rise for the TDK MA-XG90's ... I'll have to have a count up and decide if I should put some of my stock up for sale! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Roland > Sent: 27 June 2007 02:11 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Kimo B. Yap > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes > > > I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 21:38:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <18514AC9-0791-43FA-B765-BC63576262E5@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <641117.7714.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You really saved Bala a lot of time Kimo. ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! To save Bala some typing, I'd like to dispel some of this unrepairability myth of the 1000zxl. Excepting the cosmetic parts--which are unique to any particular model--just that there are less 1000zxls out there, especially the gold ones--and they are more expensive to think of using as "parts" machines as well as that being philosophically unpleasing--there actually aren't a lot of unique parts in the 1000zxl. There's just a lot more of most parts. For the purposes of this discussion, I wish to treat circuit boards count as cosmetic parts as well, as they are physically dependent on the specific model. Granted, there are less service personnel willing to touch it, but that's more based on the complexity of the deck (and partly the myth of unrepairability), and, to a lesser extent, the availability of parts for ANY [Nak] machine of that era--e.g. the 680zx. Alex, the mechanism for the Dragon, while newer and more numerous, is actually much more unique than the 1000zxl! Many of the mechanism parts for the 1000zxl (even the gold one) can be had from a 480! I'd have to check to be absolutely sure, but the gauges required to adjust the 1000zxl mechanically are the same ones as needed for the Dragon (or a subset); it certainly shares them with the 680zx and 700zx* decks. One final note on the cosmetic parts--I've probably been looking for a level knob for my Dragon almost as long as the analagous part for my gold 1000zxl (I do expect I'll eventually be able to find the former and don't really expect the latter). On the electronic parts, the only parts that I can think of that are unique to the 1000zxl only is the ABEL CPU chip (because of the program burned in the ROM) and the memory chips used to store settings. The RAMM CPU is shared with the 700zxl--actually the whole RAMM board. There are actually 3 boards that are pin-compatible with the 700zxl: the record & playback Dolby boards and the RAMM board. The memory chips used are different between the 1000zxl and 700zxl and I believe are somewhat hard to get (I know the 700zxl's are, but they were "stock" and not "custom" parts at least at the time and are available from some legacy parts sellers). Pots and switches: to be cosmetically equivalent, may be unique (but true for any model like cosmetic parts), but the functional aspects aren't particularly difficult to obtain (unlike, say, a Marantz 2600/2500/2385 that has a volume pot with 4 gangs in 2 pairs of values). The test boxes are unique to the 1000zxl and 700zxl (and different between the two) but the schematics for them are in the service manual and they don't require exceptionally weird parts (the connectors are the worst and those can be dealt with) and no exceptional skill to build--just time and patience. I've just spent the last couple of months successfully resurrecting a 1000zxl (which should have been in OK mechanical alignment but had some electrical issues), and I don't consider myself particularly adept at electronic "projects"--nowhere near a good tech--let alone a 1000zxl "specialist" or even a "Nak specialist". Bala, Tom, Ron, Kanaan, or many others on this list could have done it in significantly less time (if they had the inclination and actual time to do it) and with a much more aesthetically pleasing (in terms of board work-- although for this deck I started with a handicapped job in that such was butchered by some previous tech) result.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 06:57:55 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:57:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers Message-ID: Dear Adrian, Can I offer you my first Nak deck that I acquired during 1978 a Tri-tracer 1000/ll for a mere $:500.00 (Shipping at your expenses...of course!), from Israel? All is NEVER touched...most if NOt all the heads block are...IF...? I recall well 100% interchangeable among them your 700 & the 1000/ll. Please correct me if I'm wrong? Peace,ALEX! > From: adrian at thegreatbear.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:34:13 +0100> To: naktalk at naks.com> > hi> > thanks for your replies about the pinch rollers> > correct me if i'm wrong, but from my 700II service manual it looks as > if I'd need to use the M300 jig to set the guide height whether I > used Tom's full pinch roller set or Bala's individual rollers? Bala, > are your rollers replaceable without taking the pinch roller housing > out of the transport?> > while the rollers don't look too good I have other issues with my > 700II..> > all the touch buttons work well but on pressing RW, you can here the > relay click but you don't always get RW, after several attempts you > do. I'm guessing this could be a faulty relay rather than other logic > problems. I'll have to test it.> > I still haven't managed to find a reasonably priced tape torque meter > yet so I can't set the tape torque, which I originally altered as the > tape folded on RW and couldn't FF all the way through a C90 - it > seems fine now but I need to set it accurately.> > > I need a bit of encouragement with this machine - it's beautiful,big > and very well made but hasn't excited me as much as my 680 / 682ZX - > probably because it's not working as it should!> > > adrian> > On 25 Jun 2007, at 10:42, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote:> > > Hi Adrian,> >> > I sell the pinch rollers for US$5 per pair.> >> > Regards,> > Bala> >> > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Adrian,> > I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the > > erase> > head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge > > is also> > needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or > > otherwise> > get it adjusted correctly?> > The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd.> >> > Tom Brucker csm> > Hi Tech Service> > 2934 Nolensville Rd.> > Nashville, TN 37211> > 615-331-9241> > hitech at bellsouth.net> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers> >> >> > hi -> >> > i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or> > someone said Tom has some available?> >> > adrian> >> >> > On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote:> >> > > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect.> > > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch> > > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check> > > with Tom on Naktalk. 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 07:04:24 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:04:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: My dear Ram, Yes...Yes...Yes...100% agree with you...since I had the opportunity to hear both during 1984...100% you are right...only that if you stock as I do it; with all my gear on top of each one...the ZXL ones can be fit "NEATLY" between them...(This is ONLY in my sole case...take in account!!!). Enjoy your ZXL...I'm proud of you! Peace,ALEX! Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:33:21 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.comAlex and Mike,With utmost respect to both of you, I truly believe and know that the ZXL is one of the best, if not the best, cassette decks ever made both in terms of build quality and sound quality and spoecifications.I also believe that there are individuals who are perfectly capable of restoring these machines like others restore Dragons and the like. You have got to know these people to realize this. I have nothing against the Dragon at all. Far from the truth. I actually own two of them. Having said that, the internal build quality of the Dragon with the exception of the double direct drive motors, is actually utter chaos. Ask any technician and they will tell you that I am right on the mark. the Dragon seems to have been put together in a rush job kind of thing with absolutely no organization of anything within the box.On the other hand, if you examine the 1000ZXL, CR-7 or even the 680ZX, you can tell the superb orchestration of every component within the chassis, with of course, the ZXL being the best built and readily repairable if the need arises. Its just that the ZXL has received unfair and negative publicity in this and other forum out of sheer ignorance of its working by many.Its in fact the most logically built deck. period.Please friends, do not malign the mighty ZXL for no real reason.Bala, Tom, Wouter! I need some convincing here in technical lingo from you experts now, for I know, i am correct on this.ThanksRamLENA WONG wrote: Hi Alex: Good points. This reminds me of owning a Ferrari and not been able to keep it in top shape is a waste. At the same time, it seems to me that few people talk about the little brother of the 1000ZXL at all - of course I mean the 700ZXL. Peace, MikeAlex Cozac wrote: Dear Mike, Yes; your are right in point! But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive.Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:14 -0700From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: RE: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.com Alex: I believe listening is a very subjective matter. What I like to hear may not be the same as yours. People has been arguing about this for years at both the high-end and the low-end and even up to present time, still arguing !! So which is the best ? Who knows !! The important thing is what you like to hear yourself. The ears are yours, not mine or others. Why don't we go back and continue to listen to the music and sound that we like to enjoy and hear and have peace : )) Happy Listening as usual, Mike Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Ram! Yes I agreed with you...as again during 1984 I was lucky to hear both brand new decks a 1000ZXl & a Dragon...confirm what you now hear that an a 1000ZXL 100% perfectly working conditions...sound much "Fullest" in terms of low. mids & highs that the Dragon...which under same conditions & using the same TDK SA-100 cassette (1984 year!), the 1000ZXL WINS!!! Whatever...if you can't afford a 100% WORKING 1000ZXL deck TODAY!!! a Dragon as occurs with me satisfies + TODAY can't be repaired well. easily buy maybe a little bit expensive...but bottom line CAN'T BE REPAIRED WITH NO PROBLEM! which 1000ZXL...is some kind of "GAMBLE"! I say it...!ALEX! Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:07:03 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettesTo: naktalk at naks.com Roland, 1. The MA-Xgs ( and MA-Rs)are going for ridiculous prices, I agree. They are getting obscene nowadays. 2. The MA-XGs can not in any deck be compared to the SA C-90s. The Metal tapes will shred the SAs( Great tapes) to bits and pieces. Thers absolutely no contest. 3. The Dragon is a great deck, but not the best Nak there is. Try the 680Zx, ZX9 and if possible the 1000 ZXL. The Dragon is really no match for the above decks....agian, a great deck, but certainly not the best nakamichi out there by a long shot. Ram Roland wrote: I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping.Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right.Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........Roland---- "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > > OK, we are all a bit crazy here, but this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-R90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134271056QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > and this:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TDK-MA-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW-SEALED- > > VINTAGE-1979-MA- > > R_W0QQitemZ250134270997QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > yet no bids so far for:> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAXELL-MX-46-1980s-METAL-CASSETTE-TAPE-NEW- > > SEALED- > > NOS_W0QQitemZ250134270937QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >> > I don't get it.> >> > George========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Best Regards, Mike "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: hi thanks for your replies about the pinch rollers correct me if i'm wrong, but from my 700II service manual it looks as if I'd need to use the M300 jig to set the guide height whether I used Tom's full pinch roller set or Bala's individual rollers? Bala, are your rollers replaceable without taking the pinch roller housing out of the transport? while the rollers don't look too good I have other issues with my 700II.. all the touch buttons work well but on pressing RW, you can here the relay click but you don't always get RW, after several attempts you do. I'm guessing this could be a faulty relay rather than other logic problems. I'll have to test it. I still haven't managed to find a reasonably priced tape torque meter yet so I can't set the tape torque, which I originally altered as the tape folded on RW and couldn't FF all the way through a C90 - it seems fine now but I need to set it accurately. I need a bit of encouragement with this machine - it's beautiful,big and very well made but hasn't excited me as much as my 680 / 682ZX - probably because it's not working as it should! adrian On 25 Jun 2007, at 10:42, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > I sell the pinch rollers for US$5 per pair. > > Regards, > Bala > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Adrian, > I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the > erase > head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge > is also > needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or > otherwise > get it adjusted correctly? > The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers > > > hi - > > i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or > someone said Tom has some available? > > adrian > > > On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > > Steven > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jun 28 05:41:44 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes In-Reply-To: <200666.43629.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <360117.89966.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think all these METALs should qualify to trade at the commodity exchanges soon. Mike kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Current Item number: 170123128666 on ebay reaching 190+$ for 5 tapes. TDK MA-R going for 60 -80$ a piece, Gra wait for some more time ! Kannan Graham Nelson wrote: Interesting ... I'd not noticed the price rise for the TDK MA-XG90's ... I'll have to have a count up and decide if I should put some of my stock up for sale! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 27 June 2007 02:11 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Kimo B. Yap Subject: Re: [naktalk] Blank cassettes I don't get it either. I bought some TDK MA-XG90 about two years ago from a guy in Britain. I paid, get this, $105 for a ten pack and that included shipping. Now, fruitcakes are paying over $30 for a single cassette. I recall someone on this forum that predicted these TDK MA-XG90 would fetch $30 in two years. I guess he was right. Here's the sad part. I don't think they sound all that much better than a SA-C90....but I do have a Dragon and ........ 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 28 05:34:50 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:34:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <28539351.1183001690306.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Gra', Here is another auction Note the seller, Dr. bo He was buying up everything in site about 6 months ago. http://cgi.ebay.com/TDK-MA-XG-90-CASSETTE-TAPE-SEALED_W0QQitemZ130127943470QQihZ003QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From benstratford at aol.com Thu Jun 28 08:35:27 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:35:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle In-Reply-To: <88621.85126.qm@web83720.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <88621.85126.qm@web83720.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C98765A6991BB6-B84-3260@webmail-md09.sysops.aol.com> Jesse, I doubt that the angle is important.? ?It sounds more like the motor is struggling which could be for a number of reasons.? It could just be that the capstans could do with some lubrication, and resolving this is worth a try before further investigation,?be careful not to get any rubber parts contaminated.? The deck needs to stand on its back with the cassette door facing the sky.? One drop of oil on each capstan should, through capillary action over a 24 hr period be sufficient to determine if excessive friction was the problem. Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: jesse ruff To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11.22pm Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle Hello all, I have an MR-1 mounted on a rack at an angle, and I have been having some trouble getting it to play tapes all the way through. It has been stopping halfway through the tape, and begins to push/pull the tape out of the shell before stopping. The first time I kept pushing play, and when I took it out several inches of tape had come out. Does anyone think there might be any correlation between its problem and the angled rack-mount? Hoping for an easy fix... -Jesse ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 28 15:59:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:59:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle In-Reply-To: <88621.85126.qm@web83720.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <88621.85126.qm@web83720.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4683BED9.3000104@rcn.com> jesse ruff wrote: > Hello all, > I have an MR-1 mounted on a rack at an angle, and I > have been having some trouble getting it to play tapes > all the way through. It has been stopping halfway > through the tape, and begins to push/pull the tape out > of the shell before stopping. The first time I kept > pushing play, and when I took it out several inches of > tape had come out. Does anyone think there might be > any correlation between its problem and the angled > rack-mount? Hoping for an easy fix... > -Jesse Jesse, it's highly unlikely the angle is a problem. Since the deck tend to create tape loops, I would suspect you have hub drive issue. If the deck uses a rubber idler, clean the hub drive surfaces and replace the idler. If the problem is not caused by the idler (or if the deck has a gear idler) check the reel motor and replace if necessary. Note that if you find that cleaning the rubber idler brings improvement, it's probably time to perform general transport service. Specifically: clean heads and pinch rollers, lubricate pinch roller arms and pivots and capstan bearings. -- Ron From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 28 16:51:42 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:51:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle Message-ID: In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:53:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.com writes: Hello all, I have an MR-1 mounted on a rack at an angle, and I have been having some trouble getting it to play tapes all the way through. It has been stopping halfway through the tape, and begins to push/pull the tape out of the shell before stopping. The first time I kept pushing play, and when I took it out several inches of tape had come out. Does anyone think there might be any correlation between its problem and the angled rack-mount? Hoping for an easy fix... -Jesse You might need a new tape tension belt. That was exactly the symptom on my BX-300 when the TT belt went bad. If you need one, contact me off-list and I'll sell you one for $1. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Jun 28 17:05:13 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:05:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] User & service manual for 682ZX ?? Message-ID: <014201c7b995$baf17340$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Anyone out there in the community that could supply me with a [electronic] copy of the above manuals. Have just secured one of these decks & keen to get to grips with checking it out comprehensively. Thanks Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Thu Jun 28 19:22:24 2007 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:22:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <96452F66-A8E3-4036-93A8-C799D3D0FF68@semplay.com> Ram Thanks for this info, I think I might be inclined to sell off some reserve stock of the TDK MA-XG and cash in on the going prices and stick to the MA versions that I have. I really don't want to have the nakamichi decks re calibrated to just suit the MA-XG. Does the ZX9 and 682ZX adjust well to the MA-XG eq and is that difficult to do for a layman like myself? Best regards Jagtar Jagtar Semplay jagtar at semplay.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 20:43:42 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <96452F66-A8E3-4036-93A8-C799D3D0FF68@semplay.com> Message-ID: <691901.16614.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The ZX9 will do a good job. i am not sure the 682zx will do such a great job. But the 682zx is a great sounding deck deck. I like the 680 series better than the Dragon! Ram Jagtar Semplay wrote: Ram Thanks for this info, I think I might be inclined to sell off some reserve stock of the TDK MA-XG and cash in on the going prices and stick to the MA versions that I have. I really don't want to have the nakamichi decks re calibrated to just suit the MA-XG. Does the ZX9 and 682ZX adjust well to the MA-XG eq and is that difficult to do for a layman like myself? 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Fri Jun 29 00:12:47 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:12:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle References: <88621.85126.qm@web83720.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7b9d1$757c91f0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jesse, This the classic symptom of worn idler tyre. It is about a 20 minute fix. Get yourself a new tyre and follow these instructions, courtesy of Jeff at ES Labs. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm If you want to confirm before you change the tyre, try cleaning the surface with MEK or Lacquer thinners on a cotton bud/Q tip, allow to dry and retry a cassette. A dirty trick, but usually keeps the deck running until as such time that I can source another tyre. Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "jesse ruff" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle > Hello all, > I have an MR-1 mounted on a rack at an angle, and I > have been having some trouble getting it to play tapes > all the way through. It has been stopping halfway > through the tape, and begins to push/pull the tape out > of the shell before stopping. The first time I kept > pushing play, and when I took it out several inches of > tape had come out. Does anyone think there might be > any correlation between its problem and the angled > rack-mount? Hoping for an easy fix... > -Jesse > > From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Jun 29 17:17:43 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:17:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] User & service manual for 682ZX ?? Message-ID: Ian, Try _www.ebaman.com_ (http://www.ebaman.com) for the user manual. the 680 service manual will be useful but not ideal. The 682 has different level meters and not the half speed option of the 680. Rgds, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 29 18:20:25 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:20:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo idler data Message-ID: Sankyo mechanism idler tire data. June 29, 2007. For personal use of Naktalk members. Thanks to Lou Barranti who provided several different replacement tires and his BX300. You may remember his deck would randomly go to stop typically half way through any tape. He experienced the worst problems with the ESL idler, but no idler seemed to cure the deck. The deck had a dead spot in the reel motor, and even after complete dismantling, burnishing, cleaning, etc., the dead spot persisted. I replaced the motor with Yamaha JC000720 motor (unfortunately NLA)as an exact replacement. I believe the ESL tire may have had the best "grip" since the motor would be less prone to stall if the tire slipped on the brass pulley. The following measurements were made with digital calipers. All rubber dimensions are subject to compression, so these measurements may contain a 2% error. Idler Source Outer Dia. Inner Dia. Thickness *Nakamichi idler, black pulley **** 10.19mm 0.401" 1.97mm 0.077" Nakamichi OEM tire C80635 13.61mm 0.536" 8.92mm 0.351" 1.65mm 0.064" ESL replacement tire 14.03mm 0.554" 10.23mm 0.402" 2.00mm 0.080" MCM 32-5665 tire 14.00mm 0.550" 9.33mm 0.367" 2.09mm 0.082" "Liberman" replacement 14.08mm 0.554" 9.37mm 0.369" 2.08mm 0.081" IT-54 Union Electronics 15.28mm 0.602" 9.97mm 0.392" 2.01mm 0.078" Missing from this data are Dean's tire. Perhaps he can add the measurements to this thread. * The white pulley is assumed to be the same. This is the part the tire is mounted around. The two critical dimensions are the thickness, and the inner diameter. All tires tested fit the idler pulley, but the thicker tires are actually compressed a bit to fit. Inner diameters greater than 10.19mm cause eccentric mounting, a famously bad result of many poor replacement tires. MCM 32-6375 for example is a bad choice. My favorite, the IT-54 is no longer available. I never had one replacement wear out! Once again Nakamichi has engineered something thinner with a smaller ID (see the C8096 belt data) than one might expect. This report is not intended to endorse any replacement tire over another. Tom Brucker 'Nakdoc' Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 29 18:37:41 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:37:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Part #2. There is an elaborate reel idler that makes the clicking sound you hear. It has a tire that becomes worn. It also has a felt clutch that can cause poblems. Repair of this part is rather like the transmission on your car...lots of small parts and a critical assembly order. I think your control logic is ok. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers hi thanks for your replies about the pinch rollers correct me if i'm wrong, but from my 700II service manual it looks as if I'd need to use the M300 jig to set the guide height whether I used Tom's full pinch roller set or Bala's individual rollers? Bala, are your rollers replaceable without taking the pinch roller housing out of the transport? while the rollers don't look too good I have other issues with my 700II.. all the touch buttons work well but on pressing RW, you can here the relay click but you don't always get RW, after several attempts you do. I'm guessing this could be a faulty relay rather than other logic problems. I'll have to test it. I still haven't managed to find a reasonably priced tape torque meter yet so I can't set the tape torque, which I originally altered as the tape folded on RW and couldn't FF all the way through a C90 - it seems fine now but I need to set it accurately. I need a bit of encouragement with this machine - it's beautiful,big and very well made but hasn't excited me as much as my 680 / 682ZX - probably because it's not working as it should! adrian On 25 Jun 2007, at 10:42, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > I sell the pinch rollers for US$5 per pair. > > Regards, > Bala > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Adrian, > I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the > erase > head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge > is also > needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or > otherwise > get it adjusted correctly? > The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers > > > hi - > > i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or > someone said Tom has some available? > > adrian > > > On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > > Steven > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 29 18:33:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Adrian, It looks like you could gently spread the pinch arm and remove the roller, saving the trouble of alignment. I just didn't want to say that it was possible, since it might end in failure. You could experiment with the original take up side, since it does not require alignment. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers hi thanks for your replies about the pinch rollers correct me if i'm wrong, but from my 700II service manual it looks as if I'd need to use the M300 jig to set the guide height whether I used Tom's full pinch roller set or Bala's individual rollers? Bala, are your rollers replaceable without taking the pinch roller housing out of the transport? while the rollers don't look too good I have other issues with my 700II.. all the touch buttons work well but on pressing RW, you can here the relay click but you don't always get RW, after several attempts you do. I'm guessing this could be a faulty relay rather than other logic problems. I'll have to test it. I still haven't managed to find a reasonably priced tape torque meter yet so I can't set the tape torque, which I originally altered as the tape folded on RW and couldn't FF all the way through a C90 - it seems fine now but I need to set it accurately. I need a bit of encouragement with this machine - it's beautiful,big and very well made but hasn't excited me as much as my 680 / 682ZX - probably because it's not working as it should! adrian On 25 Jun 2007, at 10:42, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > I sell the pinch rollers for US$5 per pair. > > Regards, > Bala > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Adrian, > I have 7 of these! The 2 are identical. You will have to move the > erase > head from the old to the new. Unfortunately, the guide height gauge > is also > needed. Do you think you can precisely measure the guide height or > otherwise > get it adjusted correctly? > The pinch roller pair is $45 ppd. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:27 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 Pinch Rollers > > > hi - > > i'm after pinch rollers for my 700 II also - I'm sure Tom said or > someone said Tom has some available? > > adrian > > > On 21 Jun 2007, at 20:09, Steven Weidman wrote: > > > Sorry, my previous email about Nak 700 idlers was incorrect. > > Miscommunication with my Tech. What I really need is the Pinch > > Rollers for the Nak 700. Jeff at eslabs kindly suggested that I check > > with Tom on Naktalk. Thanks for any help. > > Steven > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 29 19:19:39 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:19:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 rack-mounted on an angle Message-ID: In a message dated 6/28/2007 11:34:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, theshorty at bigpond.com writes: Jesse, This the classic symptom of worn idler tyre. It is about a 20 minute fix. Get yourself a new tyre and follow these instructions, courtesy of Jeff at ES Labs. http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm If you want to confirm before you change the tyre, try cleaning the surface with MEK or Lacquer thinners on a cotton bud/Q tip, allow to dry and retry a cassette. A dirty trick, but usually keeps the deck running until as such time that I can source another tyre. Cheers, Martin Dear Jessie and Martin, You should determine whether or not your MR-1 has a rubber idler first. If it is made after 1989, it has a gear idler. The symptoms you listed are the same as the worn-out tape tension belt of my own gear-idler BX-300. The directions on the ESL link above will also give you access to the TT belt. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 30 00:22:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:22:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 repair experiences.. In-Reply-To: <4E153715-BA64-4102-AE02-3913AF5AB664@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: I finished it 3 weeks ago. Your problem is caused by a stainless spring that sits between the two reels, which has 2 braking fingers which engage the reel table bottoms every time the reel idler changes direction. If you remove the cassette well cover plate, this steel spring can be seen. It has a slotted screw in the middle sealed with lock paint. Loosen the screw 1/4 turn, and position the spring so the knuckle sits exactly on the highest point of the idler (which is below in a little window). Tighten the screw, and check that the spring raises and lowers each time you move from FF to RW, and is up in stop mode. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 550 repair experiences.. Tom have you looked at the 550 you recently said you'd be working on soon? I still have an issue going from RW into FF or play and vice versa where the reels spin the wrong way initially for a second - maybe a torque issue - i've replaced the main drive / capstan belt but still the same. It's a great machine though and sounds very good to me, although I haven't fed it with batteries and mics yet! Just recorded in the house. adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jun 30 05:24:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-R Madness In-Reply-To: <061320071308.1560.466FEC5A000791E30000061822165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <937379.56376.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another round of TDK MA-R madness. Please click on the list of the seller within this ebay item # 160132929502 to view the current situation. The seller even re-paint some of his MA-R with different color other than the offical silver !!!! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jun 27 19:49:49 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:49:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Blank cassettes Message-ID: <18514AC9-0791-43FA-B765-BC63576262E5@alumni.caltech.edu> > But sometimes..."BE PROUD" to own a (black or Gold) 1000ZXL makes > to such owners to hear...better that a lesser Nak deck (Can be a > Dragon or others...!), without taken in account that the reparation > of this very good sounding machine is nearly impossible...or if > still possible today...few years more??? highly expensive. > Plus...need special gauges to align it 100% as when leave the factory! > > When as my Dragon... per example; today still possibly to be > repaired as when leave the factory much easily & affordable!!! > To save Bala some typing, I'd like to dispel some of this unrepairability myth of the 1000zxl. Excepting the cosmetic parts--which are unique to any particular model--just that there are less 1000zxls out there, especially the gold ones--and they are more expensive to think of using as "parts" machines as well as that being philosophically unpleasing--there actually aren't a lot of unique parts in the 1000zxl. There's just a lot more of most parts. For the purposes of this discussion, I wish to treat circuit boards count as cosmetic parts as well, as they are physically dependent on the specific model. Granted, there are less service personnel willing to touch it, but that's more based on the complexity of the deck (and partly the myth of unrepairability), and, to a lesser extent, the availability of parts for ANY [Nak] machine of that era-- e.g. the 680zx. Alex, the mechanism for the Dragon, while newer and more numerous, is actually much more unique than the 1000zxl! Many of the mechanism parts for the 1000zxl (even the gold one) can be had from a 480! I'd have to check to be absolutely sure, but the gauges required to adjust the 1000zxl mechanically are the same ones as needed for the Dragon (or a subset); it certainly shares them with the 680zx and 700zx* decks. One final note on the cosmetic parts--I've probably been looking for a level knob for my Dragon almost as long as the analagous part for my gold 1000zxl (I do expect I'll eventually be able to find the former and don't really expect the latter). On the electronic parts, the only parts that I can think of that are unique to the 1000zxl only is the ABEL CPU chip (because of the program burned in the ROM) and the memory chips used to store settings. The RAMM CPU is shared with the 700zxl-- actually the whole RAMM board. There are actually 3 boards that are pin-compatible with the 700zxl: the record & playback Dolby boards and the RAMM board. The memory chips used are different between the 1000zxl and 700zxl and I believe are somewhat hard to get (I know the 700zxl's are, but they were "stock" and not "custom" parts at least at the time and are available from some legacy parts sellers). Pots and switches: to be cosmetically equivalent, may be unique (but true for any model like cosmetic parts), but the functional aspects aren't particularly difficult to obtain (unlike, say, a Marantz 2600/2500/2385 that has a volume pot with 4 gangs in 2 pairs of values). The test boxes are unique to the 1000zxl and 700zxl (and different between the two) but the schematics for them are in the service manual and they don't require exceptionally weird parts (the connectors are the worst and those can be dealt with) and no exceptional skill to build--just time and patience. I've just spent the last couple of months successfully resurrecting a 1000zxl (which should have been in OK mechanical alignment but had some electrical issues), and I don't consider myself particularly adept at electronic "projects"-- nowhere near a good tech--let alone a 1000zxl "specialist" or even a "Nak specialist". Bala, Tom, Ron, Kanaan, or many others on this list could have done it in significantly less time (if they had the inclination and actual time to do it) and with a much more aesthetically pleasing (in terms of board work-- although for this deck I started with a handicapped job in that such was butchered by some previous tech) result.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-March.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 1 00:01:57 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:01:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ian The system I used to listen to was my brother's. He did have a couple of Nak's, too, one being a CR7 and I think the other was a 680, but I'm not sure. I'm interested to hear about your tweaked Rega Planet. I use a pre-production Jupiter 2000 that I bought off the designer himself, Terry Bateman. I consider myself rather lucky to have such a piece, although I sometimes yearn (as we all do, I suspect) for something that might take me even closer to hi fidelity nirvana! However, now I'm out of a job ... BTW, I am not using anything as esoteric as my brother had. I have an old Sugden A21 (genuine Class A, not A/B), recently repaired and serviced by Haden Boardman, and my main cassette deck is a ZX9. I also have an Arcam Alpha 100 and, for those faded recordings, a Pioneer CTS830S. (I'd say that, with most types of music, it would be difficult to hear the difference between the ZX9 and the Arcam if the listening were done blind and the tapes used for something like TDK MA-XG, and that Pioneer ain't a slouch either! However, something like piano, with its pure sustained notes, is where the ZX9 excels over the Arcam and the Arcam over the Pioneer. Gra' (Liverpool, UK) HI graham Whilst both glad and sorry to hear about your 'enahanced mono' Graham (glad because you still have the joy of music) I too have an old school 481z, Isobarik, Naim, LP12 system (passive though) and still dont often enjoy cd sound through it . I am awaiting delivery of a reclocked and new power supplied and much tweaked Rega Planet CDP in pursuit of the old analog .. to hopefully be nearer the Nak sound when using CD's ....what Nak do you use? ian r scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 01:18:38 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:18:38 +0000 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D90@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> References: <200702281101.l1SB1iWI027735@zxe.naks.com> <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D90@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10702281618t2e92cbe6rfa51895dd9e3dfa9@mail.gmail.com> Fully agree on the Philips 963SA - Ed Meitner (EMM Labs) modded them to use as transports for his DACs before he started making his proprietary CDSD transport. George On 2/28/07, Beckner, Derrick wrote: > Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you > abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe > him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is > very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry > Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the > Bush administration is generally perceived to be. > > Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD > player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I > think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only > lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't > play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was > very nice. > > Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, > but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it > has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after > market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks > well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD > player. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 02:01:19 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:01:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D90@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <588787.17036.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you want an analogue sounding cd player try the mcintosh dvp851/861/871. you will be suprized at the smoothness. I have the 861 and its phenomenal. The 871 has hdmi( these are dvd players too) connectors.... However, these are extremely expensive at over $4000 per unit. Ram "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Thu Mar 1 03:12:38 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:12:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. Message-ID: <20070301021238.ED3FF8B366@xprdmxin.myway.com> Derrick,I have a SACD/DVD 963SA, and was really surprise that my BX-300 sounds much better then the Philips.� I made a recording about 12 years ago from a CD (with a Kenwood CD Player).� I compared the CD to the tape a few days ago and the tape sounded much better.I suspect that there is something wrong with my 963SA,� you know anyone that can diagnose?Dan "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of youabroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathehim. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he isvery intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a BarryGoldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as theBush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCDplayer which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 Ithink). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine onlylasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn'tplay most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it wasvery nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent,but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think ithas been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an aftermarket. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched diskswell, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACDplayer.========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Now that's room service! 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Message-ID: <903889.69027.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, I tried the DVP851 for a while but eventually went back to my faithful MCD7009. Its really musical and McIntosh sold them for a while - but I hear their latest CD/Transport combo is even better. How is the 861 compared to say the older players? I hear you also have the C40? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:01:19 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. If you want an analogue sounding cd player try the mcintosh dvp851/861/871. you will be suprized at the smoothness. I have the 861 and its phenomenal. The 871 has hdmi( these are dvd players too) connectors.... However, these are extremely expensive at over $4000 per unit. Ram "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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The mind has this fantastic ability to adapt and ovecome disabilities. It also seems that our senses are all linked, and a deficiency in one, will give an increase in another. Isn't there anyway you can have that broken nerve connected back? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 6:59:36 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Hi Tom Yes, I know the skull transmits sound but I understand that, in my case, all it does is transmit from the totally deaf side to the much better side! In my case, it seems that the inner ear of the right ear is probably in perfect shape. What stops it working is a broken nerve, like having a telephone with the wires cut. I am told that the way I actually hear stereo is much like the first generation of radar were able to place distance and height of aircraft from a single source moving radar transmitter/receiver. All goes to show how damned amazing is the brain! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 28 February 2007 19:55 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Graham, I am heartened that you continue to enjoy listening. One test an audiologist can perform is comparing hearing loss through the ear and loss through the bones. If our cochlea is functioning, but the eardum, etc. are damaged, we can still hear by listening with our skull! I have a bit of hf loss in one ear, yet my skull frequency response remains falt . The brain is smart enough and adaptive enough to make skull transmitted sound dominant, preserving the "stereo" . A simple experiment of skull sound is to block the ears, and put a vibrating tuning fork against your head. Or you could lean against the piano with your ears blocked. tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 05:43:45 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <903889.69027.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <990456.9245.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Yes, I have the c 40 preamp hooked to the MC300 Mcintosh power amp via balanced connectors. The MVP 861 revealed another realm of musicality to me last August when I bought it. There was no bass with all the Marantz and Sonys.This one, well you could hear the bass and feel it too. This ones butter smooth sound. I finally use no bass no treble and have shut the equalizer on the preamp off. I have B&W 801 Series 3 monitors biwired to the amp. I am right now in musical heaven!...... by the way my 680zx ( both) are having same w/f problems and cant be listened to. I am using the 670 zx tocompensate for those. Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ram, I tried the DVP851 for a while but eventually went back to my faithful MCD7009. Its really musical and McIntosh sold them for a while - but I hear their latest CD/Transport combo is even better. How is the 861 compared to say the older players? I hear you also have the C40? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:01:19 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. If you want an analogue sounding cd player try the mcintosh dvp851/861/871. you will be suprized at the smoothness. I have the 861 and its phenomenal. The 871 has hdmi( these are dvd players too) connectors.... However, these are extremely expensive at over $4000 per unit. Ram "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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And that is what is used in many studios that use digital technology for mastering etc. Anyways .. about the hum ... there are 2 things that come to my mind : a) The PC not being grounded properly : To check, connect a lightbulb across the live and earth (after disconnecting any plugs from the socket) .... if the bulb glows then earthing is fine. b) The long RCA cables are running along / crossing AC power lines somewhere for a significant length. Best Soumi From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 1 13:47:59 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:47:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T100 Plus Computer and software Message-ID: <003601c75bff$dab5e3d0$80d417c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> That T100 plus Nak Computer accessories(100 -E,100-EC etc) was sold on eBay for Euro 513.01. The Atari computer( plus accessories and software) to interact with the T100 is very very rare to obtain complete as a set. Most Nak technicians dont even know what it can do or give info on it. Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Thu Mar 1 13:57:07 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:57:07 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: <20070301125707.B8FA047808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? Respect, Grant = From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 1 14:34:25 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:34:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <337764.31103.qm@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E6D661.4020109@snet.net> If you clean the long record/play switches on the pc board you will probably find yourself with two working HK-2000's. Ed fripp_em wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Wondering if you have worked on the HK2000? I have >one that pegs the meters (one or both I don't >remember). I got it in the 70s and would like it back >working again. I bought one off of ebay recently that >actually worked at first and then had one meter start >to jump up so I can't use it either. >When I had my original one in for service many years >ago, the tech mentioned that it had Nak heads. I >always liked the recordings it made, which I still >play back on my Naks (700zxl, 660zx, MR2, etc.) or >Denon (DRM-800A). > >Thanks, >David > >Is this the challenging problem you mentioned with the > >--- Hi Tech wrote: > > > >>Mike, >>It has been a long long time. The mechanism can be >>restored. It has a >>record play switch that will certainly be oxidized, >>causing the meters to >>peg in playback, motorboat sound, or no play back. >>In most cases it is >>cleanable, but if it needed replacement, that would >>be a challenge. Try >>pressing play, even without a tape in the holder. If >>the meters show no >>signal, and the sound is silent, then chances are I >>can get it fixed up. >>You have me wondering what it looks like. When I >>first began working on >>stereos in 1977 I saw one of these, an was shocked >>that it had the Nak >>mechanism, but the metal had a different color >>varnish on it. I don't >>remember the outside at all! We were pushing the HK >>1000 as "just as good >>as a Nak", but I began testing the 600, and found >>that some 1000s could hit >>20kHz, but most couldn't. Most 600s did just fine. >>Our store switched to >>selling Nakamichis. >> >>tom >> >> >> > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Want to start your own business? >Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 1 14:41:21 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:41:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: Dear Grant, I own today a Dragon, my first Nak unit was a 1000-ll in 1968, after so a 500 & 600-ll, for a week a 1000ZXL (After a week refuse to work...so I sold it), for 9 year I own a Kenwood 5010, & during the middle of that time I received as a gift my "Only" Tandberg that still with me till today...from time to time & use it for "Maintenance Issue" a TD-310 (Two heads dual capstan & 3 motors). But my prime deck is a Dragon. That's is my meeting with Tandberg! Peace, Alex! > From: g.bastard at earthling.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:57:07 +1200> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please!> > > With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL?> > Respect,> Grant > > > > > > > > > > => > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Mar 1 15:22:57 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:22:57 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <20070301021238.ED3FF8B366@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070301021238.ED3FF8B366@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D97@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> The Naks that I've had definitely have a sound of their own, the mid range is much fuller than any CD player I've ever had (even on tapes made on CDs), but the Philips retains crisper and more distinct highs, and the bass is a little puncher (A/B tape source) than the corresponding tape. So it may be your personal preferences. With some of the SACDs I've played on the Philips, the sound stage is absolutely huge, you can reach out and touch individual instruments, the bass shakes your guts, it's really terrific. Normal CDs, a lot of depends on the CD, especially since I have Klipsch speakers which tend to be unforgiving with crappy source material (hardware or software). Some are great, some are ear bleeders. Tape is of course subject to the same thing. Some of the mid-late 80s PRE-RECORDED tapes sound absolutely fantastic. Listened to Metallica's "Justice For All" a couple nights ago (CrO2, HX Pro, "digilog" tape) and it sounded better than many, many CDs I own. I have a CR-5 for reference sake. The older I get, the more I'm convinced that "software" is ultimately the key once you reach a certain point in hi-fi dom. Is a $5000 CD player really going to make that horrible 1985 pressing of Led Zeppelin I sound that much better than a $500 CD player? That extra $4500 in a turntable would probably be breathtaking, but in digital, I don't know. I get the feeling the point of diminishing returns is much lower than analogue. Especially since today's $5000 CD player will probably use the technology a $500 player will be using in a year or two. Just search on the web for Philips 963SA, you'll uncover several upgrade options. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of dan moy Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Derrick, I have a SACD/DVD 963SA, and was really surprise that my BX-300 sounds much better then the Philips. I made a recording about 12 years ago from a CD (with a Kenwood CD Player). I compared the CD to the tape a few days ago and the tape sounded much better. I suspect that there is something wrong with my 963SA, you know anyone that can diagnose? Dan "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 1 15:30:53 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:30:53 -0600 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: <990456.9245.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <903889.69027.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070301083053.0086b510@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5746 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 1 15:51:30 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:51:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] T100 Plus Computer and software In-Reply-To: <003601c75bff$dab5e3d0$80d417c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070301085130.0086b210@earthlink.net> Sound Technology made a unit that was an automated tape analyzer. it was about 5 grand . I think it was model ST1500. If you are intrigued by automated testing, you might search for this beast. tom brucker At 02:47 PM 3/1/07 +0200, WMEDrewes wrote: >>>> That T100 plus Nak Computer accessories(100 -E,100-EC etc) was sold on eBay for Euro 513.01. The Atari computer( plus accessories and software) to interact with the T100 is very very rare to obtain complete as a set. Most Nak technicians dont even know what it can do or give info on it. Walter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 1 15:49:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: <20070301125707.B8FA047808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070301084915.0086b1f0@earthlink.net> I have repaired a 3014, but i do not remember anything about its sound. I am familiar with the TCD330/440. This Tandberg was very stable, very musical, had excellent specs, and was great for live recording. In record the meters are fed the EQUALIZED (and dolbyized) signal, so they gave a bit better indication of true record levels. The 440 added a peak led. I was never enamored with the "open cockpit" type cassette decks..Pioneer CTF1280, EUMIG, revox B215. (BTW I could run tests on a B215 I have here for sale, if anyone wants my opinion) . If the 3014 has a combo head, like the revox, then it will not be the best possible deck. After just a bit of use, a combo head begins to suffer hf losses in record. A combo head also has uneven deep bass, a function of geometry. tom brucker At 12:57 AM 3/2/07 +1200, you wrote: > >With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? > >Respect, >Grant > > > > > > > > > >= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 1 15:53:26 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:53:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D97@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Message-ID: <55969.80438.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You will be surprised with the sound quality of pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes released in the early 80's using CrO2 and 70uS equalization. The playback sound quality of these cassettes on a DRAGON rival a lot of those top of the line CD players in the market. These tapes are still being duplicated in high-speed. If you can listen to those ( hard to find nowadays ) 1:1 realtime transferred pre-recorded commerical cassettes, the result is unthinkable. "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The Naks that I’ve had definitely have a sound of their own, the mid range is much fuller than any CD player I’ve ever had (even on tapes made on CDs), but the Philips retains crisper and more distinct highs, and the bass is a little puncher (A/B tape source) than the corresponding tape. So it may be your personal preferences. With some of the SACDs I’ve played on the Philips, the sound stage is absolutely huge, you can reach out and touch individual instruments, the bass shakes your guts, it’s really terrific. Normal CDs, a lot of depends on the CD, especially since I have Klipsch speakers which tend to be unforgiving with crappy source material (hardware or software). Some are great, some are ear bleeders. Tape is of course subject to the same thing. Some of the mid-late 80s PRE-RECORDED tapes sound absolutely fantastic. Listened to Metallica’s “Justice For All” a couple nights ago (CrO2, HX Pro, “digilog” tape) and it sounded better than many, many CDs I own. I have a CR-5 for reference sake. The older I get, the more I’m convinced that “software” is ultimately the key once you reach a certain point in hi-fi dom. Is a $5000 CD player really going to make that horrible 1985 pressing of Led Zeppelin I sound that much better than a $500 CD player? That extra $4500 in a turntable would probably be breathtaking, but in digital, I don’t know. I get the feeling the point of diminishing returns is much lower than analogue. Especially since today’s $5000 CD player will probably use the technology a $500 player will be using in a year or two. Just search on the web for Philips 963SA, you’ll uncover several upgrade options. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of dan moy Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Derrick, I have a SACD/DVD 963SA, and was really surprise that my BX-300 sounds much better then the Philips. I made a recording about 12 years ago from a CD (with a Kenwood CD Player). I compared the CD to the tape a few days ago and the tape sounded much better. I suspect that there is something wrong with my 963SA, you know anyone that can diagnose? Dan "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 1 15:59:58 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:59:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: Good question. I once heard a 3014 Tandberg, not very long ago in fact, at a hi-fi store. It seemed in very good condition. The guy put it through some paces - not all - but I did hear it's recording ability with a TDK SA-X and he played back some other tapes that had been previously recorded. perhaps on the Tandberg, perhaps somewhere else. The first thing you notice is it's a big machine, very ruggedly constructed with big positve controls. I frankly would not say it sounds like a Dragon, CR-7 or other high-end Naks. That doesn't mean it doesn't good, but Naks have a certain explicitness about their sound. I would put in sonically on a par with the top decks from other manufacturers, such as Sony, TEAC and the like. Appreciate this is only an opinion of one person - and I must say, by what I have just said should not be taken as denegration as it does indeed sound fantastically good and very un-cassette-like. But, then, so does a TEAC V8030S, Sony TC-KA3ES and an Aiwa Excelia 009. However, the Tandberg has PB azimuth adjustment and will last longer because it's built like a Massey Ferguson although is slightly uglier. Notable is a waffle-free bass, no modulation artifacts and clean frequency extremes. It is impressive and imposing. Apparently still made. Cheers - Marc >>> g.bastard at earthling.net 3/1/2007 2:57:07 PM >>> With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? Respect, Grant = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 1 16:19:58 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <993078.73141.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With all respect, I don't recall the 3014 has PlayBack Head Azimuth adjustment. I am very sure that it has Record Head Azimuth adjustment ( same as in the TCD-440, and TCD-910 ). I seem to like the sound of the 3014A over the DRAGON. Its sound is much warmer than the DRAGON ( on tapes that are recorded on the TANDBERG ). The DRAGON is more analytical ( low and high are more defined ). Overall the 3014A is more musical ( IMHO ). The TANDBERG is not quite as reliable as the DRAGON. The switches ( especially the touch buttons ) can got stuck easily. Changing belts are time consuming as well and there is not that many places ( other than SOUNDSMITH who charges you like ESL did but is on par with ESL in term of quality of worksmanship ) that could properly service the machine. I definitely enjoy listening to the 3014A when it is functioning normally. The above experience was based on the 3014A owned by one of my friends. I am looking for a good conditon TCD-910 though. Mike Marc Hugo wrote: Good question. I once heard a 3014 Tandberg, not very long ago in fact, at a hi-fi store. It seemed in very good condition. The guy put it through some paces - not all - but I did hear it's recording ability with a TDK SA-X and he played back some other tapes that had been previously recorded. perhaps on the Tandberg, perhaps somewhere else. The first thing you notice is it's a big machine, very ruggedly constructed with big positve controls. I frankly would not say it sounds like a Dragon, CR-7 or other high-end Naks. That doesn't mean it doesn't good, but Naks have a certain explicitness about their sound. I would put in sonically on a par with the top decks from other manufacturers, such as Sony, TEAC and the like. Appreciate this is only an opinion of one person - and I must say, by what I have just said should not be taken as denegration as it does indeed sound fantastically good and very un-cassette-like. But, then, so does a TEAC V8030S, Sony TC-KA3ES and an Aiwa Excelia 009. However, the Tandberg has PB azimuth adjustment and will last longer because it's built like a Massey Ferguson although is slightly uglier. Notable is a waffle-free bass, no modulation artifacts and clean frequency extremes. It is impressive and imposing. Apparently still made. Cheers - Marc >>> g.bastard at earthling.net 3/1/2007 2:57:07 PM >>> With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? Respect, Grant = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Mar 1 16:42:58 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:42:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: Now you mention it - I really can't recall definitely what the azimuth adjustment did. Out of the ReVox and Tandberg brands I would opt for a Revox B710 - wonderful deck. Cheers - MH >>> lenaw at flash.net 3/1/2007 5:19:58 PM >>> With all respect, I don't recall the 3014 has PlayBack Head Azimuth adjustment. I am very sure that it has Record Head Azimuth adjustment ( same as in the TCD-440, and TCD-910 ). I seem to like the sound of the 3014A over the DRAGON. Its sound is much warmer than the DRAGON ( on tapes that are recorded on the TANDBERG ). The DRAGON is more analytical ( low and high are more defined ). Overall the 3014A is more musical ( IMHO ). The TANDBERG is not quite as reliable as the DRAGON. The switches ( especially the touch buttons ) can got stuck easily. Changing belts are time consuming as well and there is not that many places ( other than SOUNDSMITH who charges you like ESL did but is on par with ESL in term of quality of worksmanship ) that could properly service the machine. I definitely enjoy listening to the 3014A when it is functioning normally. The above experience was based on the 3014A owned by one of my friends. I am looking for a good conditon TCD-910 though. Mike Marc Hugo wrote: Good question. I once heard a 3014 Tandberg, not very long ago in fact, at a hi-fi store. It seemed in very good condition. The guy put it through some paces - not all - but I did hear it's recording ability with a TDK SA-X and he played back some other tapes that had been previously recorded. perhaps on the Tandberg, perhaps somewhere else. The first thing you notice is it's a big machine, very ruggedly constructed with big positve controls. I frankly would not say it sounds like a Dragon, CR-7 or other high-end Naks. That doesn't mean it doesn't good, but Naks have a certain explicitness about their sound. I would put in sonically on a par with the top decks from other manufacturers, such as Sony, TEAC and the like. Appreciate this is only an opinion of one person - and I must say, by what I have just said should not be taken as denegration as it does indeed sound fantastically good and very un-cassette-like. But, then, so does a TEAC V8030S, Sony TC-KA3ES and an Aiwa Excelia 009. However, the Tandberg has PB azimuth adjustment and will last longer because it's built like a Massey Ferguson although is slightly uglier. Notable is a waffle-free bass, no modulation artifacts and clean frequency extremes. It is impressive and imposing. Apparently still made. Cheers - Marc >>> g.bastard at earthling.net 3/1/2007 2:57:07 PM >>> With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? Respect, Grant = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 1 16:54:21 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:54:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bala No, it's the same issue as with spinal chord damage. Maybe there will be a break through with stem cell research ... but I'm not sure I'd want the ear back now anyway! I don't know what I've been missing but I do know the advantages of being able to sleep on the hearing side and face the deaf one upwards - I can fall asleep anywhere! However, it does mean I have to get special stereo to mono converter plugs to use the head amp from my Nak. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 01 March 2007 02:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Psychological effects on sound perception. Gra, Yes you are right. The mind has this fantastic ability to adapt and ovecome disabilities. It also seems that our senses are all linked, and a deficiency in one, will give an increase in another. Isn't there anyway you can have that broken nerve connected back? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 1 16:58:57 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:58:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: <20070301125707.B8FA047808F@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club (Carlos J Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who used both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A (and the big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback machine. Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings back on his Dragon. Gra' With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts & technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback & recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? Respect, Grant From moydan at excite.com Thu Mar 1 16:58:54 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:58:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Philips DVD 963SA Message-ID: <20070301155854.968978B329@xprdmxin.myway.com> I'm more then surprised, I'm disappointed in my DVD playerHow can a tape recorded on a 20 year old Akai (Maxell XLSII) from a 15 year old Kenwood CD player sound MUCH better then the Philips DVD 963SA (with the same CD)???The Philips sounds as though I put a blanket over my speakers when compared to the BX300.I suspect that something may be wrong some where.� I did do a search on upgrades and it looks like a very expensive proposition.� I will switch my DVD players (Sony) tonight to do a comparision..Regards,Dan --- On Thu 03/01, LENA WONG < lenaw at flash.net > wrote:From: LENA WONG [mailto: lenaw at flash.net]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:53:26 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.orgYou will be surprised with the sound quality of pre-recorded commerical cassette tapes released in the early 80's using CrO2 and 70uS equalization. The playback sound quality of these cassettes on a DRAGON rival a lot of those top of the line CD players in the market. These tapes are still being duplicated in high-speed. If you can listen to those ( hard to find nowadays ) 1:1 realtime transferred pre-recorded commerical cassettes, the result is unthinkable. "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> The Naks that I�ve had definitely have a sound of their own, the mid range is much fuller than any CD player I�ve ever had (even on tapes made on CDs), but the Philips retains crisper and more distinct highs, and the bass is a little puncher (A/B tape source) than the corresponding tape. So it may be your personal preferences. With some of the SACDs I�ve played on the Philips, the sound stage is absolutely huge, you can reach out and touch individual instruments, the bass shakes your guts, it�s really terrific. Normal CDs, a lot of depends on the CD, especially since I have Klipsch speakers which tend to be unforgiving with crappy source material (hardware or software). Some are great, some are ear bleeders. Tape is of course subject to the same thing. Some of the mid-late 80s PRE-RECORDED tapes sound absolutely fantastic. Listened to Metallica�s �Justice For All� a couple nights ago (CrO2, HX Pro, �digilog� tape) and it sounded better than many, many CDs I own. I have a CR-5 for reference sake. The older I get, the more I�m convinced that �software� is ultimately the key once you reach a certain point in hi-fi dom. Is a $5000 CD player really going to make that horrible 1985 pressing of Led Zeppelin I sound that much better than a $500 CD player? That extra $4500 in a turntable would probably be breathtaking, but in digital, I don�t know. I get the feeling the point of diminishing returns is much lower than analogue. Especially since today�s $5000 CD player will probably use the technology a $500 player will be using in a year or two. class=MsoNormal> Just search on the web for Philips 963SA, you�ll uncover several upgrade options. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of dan moySent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:13 PMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org Derrick,I have a SACD/DVD 963SA, and was really surprise that my BX-300 sounds much better then the Philips. I made a recording about 12 years ago from a CD (with a Kenwood CD Player). I compared the CD to the tape a few days ago and the tape sounded much better.I suspect that there is something wrong with my 963SA, you know anyone that can diagnose?Dan "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative w:st="on">US talk show host for those of youabroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathehim. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he isvery intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a BarryGoldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as theBush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analoguesounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCDplayer which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 Ithink). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine onlylasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn'tplay most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it wasvery nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent,but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think ithas been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an aftermarket. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Mar 1 17:01:35 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:01:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: When I was looking at decks to buy in the 80's I did a lot of research on the specs of different decks and went to hear them. The 3014A review in Stereophile was pretty impressive, so I put that on my short list, and checked it out. However, the 3014A actually has wow-and-flutter specs similar to the Sankyo-transport 2 head Nak decks (the cheap ones), which is in the audible area for me. The direct drive Nak decks, such as the Dragon, ZX-9, BX-300 and CR-4A have wow-and-flutter less than half of the 3014A. Look it up yourself. I went with a BX-300 instead. I was talking last month about this to the very Tandberg and Nakamichi dealer who showed me these decks in the 80's and told me that I had probably made the right choice, as most of the 3014A's he had sold wound up with service problems, and that the heads wore out. In addition, all the ones he sold to the wealthy people who lived in the nearby San Francisco neighborhood of Twin Peaks had radio frequency interference problems which were a nightmare to correct. Nak decks sold to the same neighborhood didn't have that problem. Jeff


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Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Thu Mar 1 20:20:06 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:20:06 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) References: <200702282141.l1SLfhk4004636@zxe.naks.com> <000d01c75bd7$3ce511d0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <000f01c75c36$a092c0b0$064c98de@tec> I do have one outboard sound card which seems to be OK for recording, but the inbuilt one on the computer I am using now has all sorts of spurious noises - especially every time the mouse in rolled! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) > Hi Donald > I would not entirely agree with you about PCs not being hi-fi devices ... > even the bare bones on-board audio chip of PC motherboards these days has > decent sound. > And if you use a high-end card then it gets right on to the edge of > things. > And that is what is used in many studios that use digital technology for > mastering etc. > > Anyways .. about the hum ... there are 2 things that come to my mind : > a) The PC not being grounded properly : To check, connect a lightbulb > across > the live and earth (after disconnecting any plugs from the socket) .... if > the bulb glows then earthing is fine. > b) The long RCA cables are running along / crossing AC power lines > somewhere > for a significant length. > > Best > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 28/02/2007 > 4:09 p.m. > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Mar 1 20:56:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:56:52 EST Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks Message-ID: JFYI - Nakamichi experimented with direct drive for a long time before they came up with a version which worked to their satisfaction. As is well known, the problem with direct drive is "motor cogging," a problem defined by Nakamichi like this - "As a motor turns, its rotor 'cogs' or steps from magnetic pole to magnetic pole forced by a varying magnetic field." It results in a kind of flutter. In the belt drives, this problem is of course overcome by isolating the motor from the capstan by the belt. However, they continued working on the problem, especially for the Dragon turntable project. The first direct-drive motor used in a Nak deck, the ZX-9, was the result of developing a new kind of direct drive motor for the Dragon turntable. Nakamichi gave this explanation of how the Dragon turntable, ZX-9, and Dragon cassette "Super Linear Torque Motor" solved the problem of motor cogging - "Nakamichi's solution to this dilemma was to create a special star-shaped magnetic pattern on the rotor that produces a sinusoidal variation of north and south strength about the circumference. Two sets of coils are fed with a 2-phase sinusoidal electrical signal. The torque developed by the second set is proportional to the cos squared. Since total torque is equal to the sum and sin squared + cos squared = 1, torque is constant at all rotation angles, and the motor doesn't cog - a solution elegant in its simplicity (but one it took us some time to come up with!)" I think even those of us with engineering degrees will say that was a significant achievement, and contribution to cassette deck technology, as measured by specs. Which some of us think is the best measure, but others don't. Now, having finally cracked the "cog barrier" with the SLTM, they came up with a second solution which resulted in specs almost, but not quite, as good, but yet still much better than the classic transport. Nakamichi's description of the motor used in the BX-300, MR-1, CR-4 (and I also believe the CR-5 and CR-7, but I'm not absolutely 100% sure) follows - "The BX-300 takeup capstan is driven by an outstanding new motor that is virtually cog-free thanks to its unusually high inertia. The motor has an exceptionally heavy rotor with the mass concentrated at the circumference to create a flywheel that ensures smooth rotation. It is brushless, slotless, and coreless so torque fluctuations are inherently low. To further reduce flutter, we extended the servo bandwidth to correct torque variations up to 1kHz - the key element being a 160-segment frequency generator that senses speed every 2 1/4 degrees of rotation. A careful choice of components ensures excellent stability over time and temperature. The results - cog-free performance with under 0.027% wow-and-flutter." I also believe that the BX-300 introduced "Asymmetrical Dual-Capstan Diffused-Resonance Transport." In any case, I can't think of any Nak deck before it which has this feature, and all the 3 head decks after it did, as far as I know. The BX-300 and MR-1 are essentially the same deck, one a consumer version with RCA jacks and the other a professional version with both balanced and unbalanced inputs/outputs. The MR-1 was intended to crack the professional studio market, which was dominated by Tascam. The BX-300 also had a new pre-amp section. In general, it was the result of Nak engineering taking a significantly different direction in concept and design, based on technological advances which were not available when the 480, for instance, was designed. I would say that it's hardly a "garbage deck." Jeff


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This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. -- Ron Beckner, Derrick wrote: > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > Any ideas? > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 1 23:20:56 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:20:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Dragon was his main one but he had banks of one type of Nak or another as he was also in the tape duplication business. It's been a while since Carlos was around and I can't remember what he used. Do you recall, Ron?? He briefly had a 1000ZXL and had it serviced by SS, but it never worked properly, or at all, and after having spent a mint of money on it trying to get it right I think he gave it away! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 01 March 2007 18:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club (Carlos J Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who used both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A (and the big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback machine. Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings back on his Dragon. It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Mar 1 23:24:06 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:24:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: The Tandberg 3014A has better midrange than even Nak 1000zxl...but zxl has more delicate sound,more interesting to listen.Tandberg mimicks the open-reel sound better than Nakamichi but there are even better decks than Tandberg...very rare forgotten machines. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Kimo B. Yap[mailto:kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu] Sent : 3/1/2007 10:47:48 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! > We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club > (Carlos J > Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who > used > both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A > (and the > big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the > Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback > machine. > Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings > back on > his Dragon. It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby From nakamichi at ispwest.com Thu Mar 1 23:26:40 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:26:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: <047c2c77db294054a0d21fcc71aec848.nakamichi@ispwest.com> He also had Nak 700zxl & Nak 500.As far as I remember Carlos was fascinated by 500's sound. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Graham Nelson[mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] Sent : 3/1/2007 2:20:56 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! The Dragon was his main one but he had banks of one type of Nak or another as he was also in the tape duplication business. It's been a while since Carlos was around and I can't remember what he used. Do you recall, Ron?? He briefly had a 1000ZXL and had it serviced by SS, but it never worked properly, or at all, and after having spent a mint of money on it trying to get it right I think he gave it away! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 01 March 2007 18:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club (Carlos J Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who used both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A (and the big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback machine. Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings back on his Dragon. It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 1 23:27:59 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531423.92327.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Grahnam: Is this Carlos originates from Venezula? Mike Graham Nelson wrote: The Dragon was his main one but he had banks of one type of Nak or another as he was also in the tape duplication business. It's been a while since Carlos was around and I can't remember what he used. Do you recall, Ron?? He briefly had a 1000ZXL and had it serviced by SS, but it never worked properly, or at all, and after having spent a mint of money on it trying to get it right I think he gave it away! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: 01 March 2007 18:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club (Carlos J Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who used both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A (and the big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback machine. Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings back on his Dragon. It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 1 23:29:09 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:29:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <327355.5942.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can you recall what are those very rare forgotten machines? Thanks. "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: The Tandberg 3014A has better midrange than even Nak 1000zxl...but zxl has more delicate sound,more interesting to listen.Tandberg mimicks the open-reel sound better than Nakamichi but there are even better decks than Tandberg...very rare forgotten machines. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Kimo B. Yap[mailto:kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu] Sent : 3/1/2007 10:47:48 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! > We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club > (Carlos J > Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who > used > both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A > (and the > big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the > Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback > machine. > Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings > back on > his Dragon. It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to believe anything could compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks are in shape, etc.). But, of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg :-).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 23:38:39 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:38:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: <531423.92327.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <531423.92327.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10703011438la6001eap56f6e449ec97514b@mail.gmail.com> Puerto Rico On 3/1/07, LENA WONG wrote: > Grahnam: > Is this Carlos originates from Venezula? > > > Mike > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > The Dragon was his main one but he had banks of one type of Nak or another > as he was also in the tape duplication business. It's been a while since > Carlos was around and I can't remember what he used. Do you recall, Ron?? > > He briefly had a 1000ZXL and had it serviced by SS, but it never worked > properly, or at all, and after having spent a mint of money on it trying to > get it right I think he gave it away! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kimo B. Yap > Sent: 01 March 2007 18:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! > > > We used to have a professional recording engineer in this club (Carlos J > Guzman - he won an Emmy for one of his professional recordings) who used > both Tandbergs and Nakamichi's. He reckoned the Tandberg TD 3014A (and the > big ol'ReVox) made the purest, most stable, recordings bar none of the > Nak's. However, he also reckoned the Dragon was the best playback machine. > Thence, he would record using the Tandberg and play the recordings back on > his Dragon. > It would be nice to know what Naks he used. Of course I find it hard to > believe anything could > compete with a 1000zxl (at least in terms of recording quality if both decks > are in shape, etc.). But, > of course, I'm biased and don't have a point of reference with the Tandberg > :-).-kby========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 1 23:55:50 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:55:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <305990.94163.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: JFYI - Nakamichi experimented with direct drive for a long time before they came up with a version which worked to their satisfaction. As is well known, the problem with direct drive is "motor cogging," a problem defined by Nakamichi like this - "As a motor turns, its rotor 'cogs' or steps from magnetic pole to magnetic pole forced by a varying magnetic field." It results in a kind of flutter. In the belt drives, this problem is of course overcome by isolating the motor from the capstan by the belt. However, they continued working on the problem, especially for the Dragon turntable project. The first direct-drive motor used in a Nak deck, the ZX-9, was the result of developing a new kind of direct drive motor for the Dragon turntable. Nakamichi gave this explanation of how the Dragon turntable, ZX-9, and Dragon cassette "Super Linear Torque Motor" solved the problem of motor cogging - "Nakamichi's solution to this dilemma was to create a special star-shaped magnetic pattern on the rotor that produces a sinusoidal variation of north and south strength about the circumference. Two sets of coils are fed with a 2-phase sinusoidal electrical signal. The torque developed by the second set is proportional to the cos squared. Since total torque is equal to the sum and sin squared + cos squared = 1, torque is constant at all rotation angles, and the motor doesn't cog - a solution elegant in its simplicity (but one it took us some time to come up with!)" I think even those of us with engineering degrees will say that was a significant achievement, and contribution to cassette deck technology, as measured by specs. Which some of us think is the best measure, but others don't. Now, having finally cracked the "cog barrier" with the SLTM, they came up with a second solution which resulted in specs almost, but not quite, as good, but yet still much better than the classic transport. Nakamichi's description of the motor used in the BX-300, MR-1, CR-4 (and I also believe the CR-5 and CR-7, but I'm not absolutely 100% sure) follows - "The BX-300 takeup capstan is driven by an outstanding new motor that is virtually cog-free thanks to its unusually high inertia. The motor has an exceptionally heavy rotor with the mass concentrated at the circumference to create a flywheel that ensures smooth rotation. It is brushless, slotless, and coreless so torque fluctuations are inherently low. To further reduce flutter, we extended the servo bandwidth to correct torque variations up to 1kHz - the key element being a 160-segment frequency generator that senses speed every 2 1/4 degrees of rotation. A careful choice of components ensures excellent stability over time and temperature. The results - cog-free performance with under 0.027% wow-and-flutter." I also believe that the BX-300 introduced "Asymmetrical Dual-Capstan Diffused-Resonance Transport." In any case, I can't think of any Nak deck before it which has this feature, and all the 3 head decks after it did, as far as I know. The BX-300 and MR-1 are essentially the same deck, one a consumer version with RCA jacks and the other a professional version with both balanced and unbalanced inputs/outputs. The MR-1 was intended to crack the professional studio market, which was dominated by Tascam. The BX-300 also had a new pre-amp section. In general, it was the result of Nak engineering taking a significantly different direction in concept and design, based on technological advances which were not available when the 480, for instance, was designed. I would say that it's hardly a "garbage deck." 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 01 March 2007 22:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Grahnam: Is this Carlos originates from Venezula? Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 2 00:08:25 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <337624.22556.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra: Thanks. I think I can remember who Carlos is now. We communicate before on this same topic early last year and he is the one who warns me about the problems with the 1000ZXL. Mike Graham Nelson wrote: Mike Not sure where he originated from but he was/is based in Puerto Rico. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 01 March 2007 22:28 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Grahnam: Is this Carlos originates from Venezula? Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a digital output for those wishing to substitute an external DAC. All listening sessions were completed using only the on-board electronics. With Rega being a champion of simpler audio methodology, the power cord is not detachable and a generic interconnect is supplied. Many audio enthusiasts are not adherents to this simpler approach. If an audiophile spends nearly a thousand dollars on a machine, he will use a quality cable commensurate with the price. Using the generic interconnect did nothing to enhance the sound during listening sessions. When substituting the inexpensive WireWorld Oasis II interconnect, the sound benefited, demonstrating more impact and a wider soundstage. Even greater strides were made when an Audioquest Emerald interconnect was placed in the audio chain. snip Roy Gandy has dedicated his design life to developing analog technologies. While pondering his philosophy, it seemed strange to sit down to review a Rega CD player. For many years Rega have promoted all things analog and, at the same time, denigrated the digital domain. In many respects I concur, with ninety percent of my listening enjoyed on vinyl. Only recently have I begun to hear the qualities of what the compact disc has to offer. With the Planet, Rega's ideal was to marry the best of analog sound with digital technology. Obviously, great care has been taken with this task. Now, I find myself presented with another budget CD player with high-end aspirations, namely the Rega Planet. Long-time analog stalwarts Rega Research, surely one of the last of the high-end manufacturers to bring a digital product to market, have had enormous success with their Planar turntables and RB300 tonearm, and obviously hope to have equal success with their analog-inspired digital creation. How successful the Planet is as musical device will certainly depend on your perspective. Those with a substantial investment in a very high-quality digital front end need not fear that the Planet has rendered it obsolete - my Theta-based front end easily bettered the Planet in many significant ways, as well it should for nearly four times the Planet's price! However, this comparison holds little relevance to potential purchasers of the Planet who are likely unwilling, or unable, to spend megabucks on a digital front end. For music lovers on a budget, the Planet offers battleship-like build quality (no paper-thin sheet metal or plastic to be found here), wonderful ergonomics, one-box convenience, and aesthetic beauty. The Planet's self-closing, top-loading mechanism, with integral disc clamp, is a joy to use, and its ingenious design means that it requires little more rack space than a drawer-loader. All right, so the Planet's built like a tank, looks and feels good, but how does it sound? If I had to choose one word to describe the sound of the Planet it would be "polite". None of the usual terms used to describe inexpensive CD players, such as "bright", "edgy", "hashy", "glaring", "grainy" or "forward" really apply to the sound of the Planet. The Planet has avery laid-back, somewhat analogue-like, presentation, that is a welcome change from the screaming budget boxes of the recent past. While I feel that the Planet's laid-back presentation is its most endearing quality, I do find it somewhat lacking in immediacy and presence. Whether or not you find this a liability will depend on your listening biases and associated components. From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 2 00:37:22 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <946733.76304.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 680 brochure mentions " .... the Nakamichi unique Assymetrical Diffuse-Resonance Transport.....". I believe they are the same design. This design was used in the classic transport before the introduction of the BX series. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by C-MOS logic" Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't have any documentation on it to refer to. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Mar 2 00:38:59 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:38:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, and CR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E76413.3030508@cox.net> I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lenaw at flash.net writes: > > The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical > Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series > and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. > > > > My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by > C-MOS logic" > Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? > I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't > have any documentation on it to refer to. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Mar 2 00:50:48 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:50:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks Message-ID: In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:46:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The 680 brochure mentions " .... the Nakamichi unique Assymetrical Diffuse-Resonance Transport.....". I believe they are the same design. This design was used in the classic transport before the introduction of the BX series. I just looked at my 680 which is taken apart on my workbench with the stuck pinch roller syndrome. The capstans are definitely asymmetrical, as are the ones on my ZX-7 and Dragon. Those classic decks are like Inspector Morse's Jaguar - really great, when they work. But they spend half the time getting repaired. Thanks for clearing that up. Jeff


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URL: From moydan at excite.com Fri Mar 2 02:12:24 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:12:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] fade up light on Message-ID: <20070302011224.42FAD91FD7@xprdmxin.myway.com> Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300.� Mine is on all the time.Thanks,Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Fri Mar 2 02:19:54 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:19:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin Message-ID: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition? _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 02:24:03 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:24:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <427682.34262.qm@web50005.mail.yahoo.com> Yea I saw that to Big deal huh, and my light on my BX-300 stays on to dan moy wrote: Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition? _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 02:25:15 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:25:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703011725v336e2e68xb58fd8f802a77572@mail.gmail.com> I bought one of those for around $75 once. -Tim On 3/1/07, dan moy wrote: > > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 > with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM > IS FROM > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 02:28:58 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] fade up light on In-Reply-To: <20070302011224.42FAD91FD7@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20070302012858.78507.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is correct. The fade up light stays on all the time. I believe that the only time it isn't is when in record or record pause AND fader down is pressed, then that light will go out slowly and fade down will light up. Also, it's two speed, so when you tap it, it will go slowly and when you press and hold it will go faster. SJ dan moy wrote: Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300. Mine is on all the time. Thanks, Dan --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! 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From lemas156 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 02:45:26 2007 From: lemas156 at yahoo.com (Jeff Lemas) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:45:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <28394639.1172799307439.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Message-ID: <20070302014526.70073.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is a rip for the BX-300. I picked one up a few months ago from the classifieds in my local paper for $50. The guy lived about 60 miles from me, so we made arrangements to have it shipped for $25...total bargain! He was the original owner and even had the manual. --- Roland wrote: > > ---- dan moy wrote: > > > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set > at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition?. > > Yes, special to him. > > I bought a BX300 sometime in 1985. I think I paid around $430 for it at Tech Hi-Fi. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From salim at danareksa.com Fri Mar 2 02:51:37 2007 From: salim at danareksa.com (Salim S. Marzuki) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:51:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) In-Reply-To: <000d01c75bd7$3ce511d0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: soumitra at soumitrab.com [mailto:soumitra at soumitrab.com] Anyways .. about the hum ... there are 2 things that come to my mind : a) The PC not being grounded properly : To check, connect a lightbulb across the live and earth (after disconnecting any plugs from the socket) .... if the bulb glows then earthing is fine. LOL ... Soumi, can't help imagining electrocuted newbie connecting bare bulb with wire to mains. :-) :-) just kidding of course, but cheap multimeter is much better ! have a great weekend guys, sm From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 03:00:26 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:00:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <20070302014526.70073.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14342.45560.qm@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Man! I never get deals like that. Well good for you. Jeff Lemas wrote: That is a rip for the BX-300. I picked one up a few months ago from the classifieds in my local paper for $50. The guy lived about 60 miles from me, so we made arrangements to have it shipped for $25...total bargain! He was the original owner and even had the manual. --- Roland wrote: > > ---- dan moy wrote: > > > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set > at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition?. > > Yes, special to him. > > I bought a BX300 sometime in 1985. I think I paid around $430 for it at Tech Hi-Fi. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 03:15:19 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <28394639.1172799307439.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Message-ID: <476591.13452.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, good price. I bought my BX-300 from Paris Audio for $570 plus tax SJ Roland wrote: ---- dan moy wrote: > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition?. Yes, special to him. I bought a BX300 sometime in 1985. I think I paid around $430 for it at Tech Hi-Fi. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 2 03:34:09 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:34:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070302011954.E77158B40C@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <45E78D21.5050905@rcn.com> dan moy wrote: > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition? > What did you expect from ebay? From DM2 at marctronixx.com Fri Mar 2 05:31:57 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:31:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] fade up light on In-Reply-To: <20070302012858.78507.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703020433.l224WV3l026394@zxe.naks.com> I think my rx 505 does this also.. Marc. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:29 PM To: moydan at excite.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] fade up light on That is correct. The fade up light stays on all the time. I believe that the only time it isn't is when in record or record pause AND fader down is pressed, then that light will go out slowly and fade down will light up. Also, it's two speed, so when you tap it, it will go slowly and when you press and hold it will go faster. SJ dan moy wrote: Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300. Mine is on all the time. Thanks, Dan _____ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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Must be a special edition? > What did you expect from ebay? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Fri Mar 2 05:51:13 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:51:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum In-Reply-To: <45E7445F.304@rcn.com> Message-ID: <200703020451.l224pGBw026564@zxe.naks.com> Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Mar 2 06:32:37 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:32:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual References: <45E76413.3030508@cox.net> Message-ID: <005a01c75c8c$314ee7a0$abd417c4@home> The Dragon ones would most welcome! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by C-MOS logic" Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't have any documentation on it to refer to. Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Soumi, can't help imagining electrocuted newbie connecting bare >bulb with wire to mains. :-) :-) just kidding of course, but cheap >multimeter is much better ! > >have a great weekend guys, >sm From esteyes at cox.net Fri Mar 2 06:51:51 2007 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:51:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] brett and the MX100 question Message-ID: <040f01c75c8e$dff05710$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> greetings all, dunno if brett got what he needed but the unit was fed +/- 10v. don't think it pulled much more 500mA total. i used to make portable power supplies for them using tiny DC/DC converters to take +12v lead acid batteries and get a bipolar supply. had to source 7810 and 7910 voltage regulators for the +/-12v dc/dc converters. pretty sure it was on the same 4 pin DIN connector like sony sl2000/sony f1 or Nak dmp100 pcm/beta combo which was only +12v but used the same 4 pin DIN connector. the portable 250/350/550 units used 4 pin as well i think. i seem to remember the portable ads/nak portable speaker system used the same power connector to the deck > power switch and then sent it back to the power supply's second connection to then power the speaker system. i can't remember well, just remember something weird like that... have to ask my friend who still has a couple of those systems if anyone needs info. or i could just go unearth the 550... also, there are two versions of 4 pin DIN connectors as relates to the pin spacing - i have heated the two non-aligning pins to allow them to move in the plastic molding once or twice when in a pinch to get some cabling done asap. neil back to lurk mode ps: spent alot of time with the old TD series nak car decks. happy to chime in if questions pop up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 07:06:55 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:06:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. Message-ID: <110609.28583.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have this same experience with the Nak CD4. Its got a really good and warm bass. Perhaps they were intended to sound that way? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 10:30:53 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. Interesting comment about bass. Back in the day when CDs had unacceptable high frequency glare, Nakamichi built the OMS 5 and 7. These two had bass that was immediately and obviously "better" than any other CD at the time. Does anyone know how or why? tom brucker At 08:43 PM 2/28/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Bala, Yes, I have the c 40 preamp hooked to the MC300 Mcintosh power amp via balanced connectors. The MVP 861 revealed another realm of musicality to me last August when I bought it. There was no bass with all the Marantz and Sonys.This one, well you could hear the bass and feel it too. This ones butter smooth sound. I finally use no bass no treble and have shut the equalizer on the preamp off. I have B&W 801 Series 3 monitors biwired to the amp. I am right now in musical heaven!...... by the way my 680zx ( both) are having same w/f problems and cant be listened to. I am using the 670 zx tocompensate for those. Regards, Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra < wrote: Hi Ram, I tried the DVP851 for a while but eventually went back to my faithful MCD7009. Its really musical and McIntosh sold them for a while - but I hear their latest CD/Transport combo is even better. How is the 861 compared to say the older players? I hear you also have the C40? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran < To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:01:19 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM] - [naktalk] Re: Psychological effects on sound perception. If you want an analogue sounding cd player try the mcintosh dvp851/861/871. you will be suprized at the smoothness. I have the 861 and its phenomenal. The 871 has hdmi( these are dvd players too) connectors.... However, these are extremely expensive at over $4000 per unit. Ram "Beckner, Derrick" < wrote: Rush Limbaugh is a conservative US talk show host for those of you abroad. He's quite polarizing, most people either love him or loathe him. While I find him arrogant and generally way over the top, he is very intelligent and articulate. I guess you would call him a Barry Goldwater "paleo-conservative" rather than a "neo-Conservative" as the Bush administration is generally perceived to be. Anyhow, as to analogue sounding CD players, I used to have NAD C542 HDCD player which was very smooth sounding and pretty affordable ($500 I think). I know it has been replaced by subsequent models, but mine only lasted about two years before the door mechanism failed (and it didn't play most CD-R) so I did not buy another one. Sound quality wise it was very nice. Currently I have a Philips SACD/DVD 963SA player that sounds excellent, but I wouldn't characterize it as "analog sounding". Plus I think it has been discontinued even though it has quite a following and an after market. Frankly not much of a DVD player (doesn't read scratched disks well, as most all rentals are wont to be) but a kick-butt CD/SACD player. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! <http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Now that's room service! <Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 08:24:19 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:24:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 adjusted! Message-ID: <6bddc1110703012324n7dc6bf9bn88d354860e77064a@mail.gmail.com> So after a few weeks of taking care of other urgent matters, I finally got around to the adjustment on my RX-202. Normally I work on older model Naks, this was the first of the RX series I'd worked on, and I have to say it was a bit of a pain. In any event, using Luis' excellent calibration tapes, I found that VR101 and VR201 needed .2 turns counter-clockwise, and the R/P head needed .125 turns clockwise to hit the proper levels on my old-ass RCA VTVM and sound perfect again. The RX-202 lacks a lot of the easily-accessible adjustment avenues that other Naks have, and I don't know that it even has a head height adjustment option, so Luis' tapes were a lifesaver. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 08:26:41 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:26:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX-202 adjusted! In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110703012324n7dc6bf9bn88d354860e77064a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110703012324n7dc6bf9bn88d354860e77064a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703012326h45077e4dn5d3b42f242d136f3@mail.gmail.com> BTW that should read "the R/P head azimuth screw needed ..." - but I know you all know what I meant :-) -Tim On 3/2/07, Tim Skorick wrote: > > So after a few weeks of taking care of other urgent matters, I finally got > around to the adjustment on my RX-202. Normally I work on older model Naks, > this was the first of the RX series I'd worked on, and I have to say it was > a bit of a pain. > > In any event, using Luis' excellent calibration tapes, I found that VR101 > and VR201 needed .2 turns counter-clockwise, and the R/P head needed .125 > turns clockwise to hit the proper levels on my old-ass RCA VTVM and sound > perfect again. The RX-202 lacks a lot of the easily-accessible adjustment > avenues that other Naks have, and I don't know that it even has a head > height adjustment option, so Luis' tapes were a lifesaver. > > -Tim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Fri Mar 2 08:46:50 2007 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:46:50 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] brett and the MX100 question In-Reply-To: <040f01c75c8e$dff05710$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> References: <040f01c75c8e$dff05710$6a00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070302204330.011a00a0@paradise.net.nz> Thanks Neil I have my eye on one at the moment....its a120v version and I'm here in New Zealand with our 240v mains supply. I'll show my ignorance here - will this be ok if I use a 120 to 240v transformer with it? Thanks in advance Brett At 06:51 p.m. 2/03/2007, you wrote: >greetings all, dunno if brett got what he needed but the unit was >fed +/- 10v. don't think it pulled much more 500mA total. i used to >make portable power supplies for them using tiny DC/DC converters to >take +12v lead acid batteries and get a bipolar supply. had to >source 7810 and 7910 voltage regulators for the +/-12v dc/dc >converters. pretty sure it was on the same 4 pin DIN connector like >sony sl2000/sony f1 or Nak dmp100 pcm/beta combo which was only +12v >but used the same 4 pin DIN connector. the portable 250/350/550 >units used 4 pin as well i think. i seem to remember the portable >ads/nak portable speaker system used the same power connector to the >deck > power switch and then sent it back to the power supply's >second connection to then power the speaker system. i can't remember >well, just remember something weird like that... have to ask my >friend who still has a couple of those systems if anyone needs info. >or i could just go unearth the 550... > >also, there are two versions of 4 pin DIN connectors as relates to >the pin spacing - i have heated the two non-aligning pins to allow >them to move in the plastic molding once or twice when in a pinch to >get some cabling done asap. > >neil >back to lurk mode >ps: spent alot of time with the old TD series nak car decks. happy >to chime in if questions pop up. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 2 09:09:57 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:09:57 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <005a01c75c8c$314ee7a0$abd417c4@home> References: <45E76413.3030508@cox.net> <005a01c75c8c$314ee7a0$abd417c4@home> Message-ID: <10991.212.78.164.66.1172822997.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Yes please! These service bulletin's are very informative, and a rare find.. Wouter > The Dragon ones would most welcome! > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Barrett > Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two > service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon > manual before. The service bulletins are: > 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. > Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. > 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. > Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some > illustrations. > > If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making > PDF's out of them. > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 13:14:39 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 04:14:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <005a01c75c8c$314ee7a0$abd417c4@home> Message-ID: <795297.19692.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim, please send me the PDF' and thanks in advance . Kannan drewes wrote: The Dragon ones would most welcome! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Mar 2 14:13:40 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:13:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum In-Reply-To: <200703020451.l224pGBw026564@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004f01c75ccc$99120fd0$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Marc, In your case I would try putting a preamp in between the Cable Box and the Computer; I have had this problem in the past with direct connections to a computer from certain devices and when the preamp was plugged into the same power strip as the other output device it eliminated the hum. It is most certainly a ground loop, the preamp may fix it or if not follow the advice from Ron below, you can use any device that with a 3 prong plug to do this with but pick something that you're not going to unplug or move around a lot since it will just create more of a hassle. Good luck, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of DM2 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:51 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Mar 2 14:16:45 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:16:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] fade up light on In-Reply-To: <200703020433.l224WV3l026394@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005001c75ccd$07414e80$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> My CR-7A does this as well. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of DM2 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:32 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] fade up light on I think my rx 505 does this also.. Marc. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:29 PM To: moydan at excite.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] fade up light on That is correct. The fade up light stays on all the time. I believe that the only time it isn't is when in record or record pause AND fader down is pressed, then that light will go out slowly and fade down will light up. Also, it's two speed, so when you tap it, it will go slowly and when you press and hold it will go faster. SJ dan moy wrote: Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300. Mine is on all the time. Thanks, Dan _____ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 14:23:56 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <200703020451.l224pGBw026564@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070302132356.27500.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 14:31:23 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:31:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <795297.19692.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070302133123.56105.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, I'll take one too, no hurry tho. I have a CR3A so there may be some similarities. Thanks, Bob kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi Tim, please send me the PDF' and thanks in advance . Kannan drewes wrote: The Dragon ones would most welcome! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Fri Mar 2 15:02:38 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:02:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070301084915.0086b1f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi. I certainly would be interested in what the Revox 215 sounds like, as compared to a Nakamichi. I own an Aiwa 990, an Aiwa 770, and a Nak 480. The 480 blows those two decks away. The Aiwa's are noisier, less resolute, and definately lacking in bass, as well as being too fast! Even after they both were speed-adjusted by a tech, they were too fast. The Tandberg's that you mention sound like they would be worth looking into. I had alwys heard that the transport in the Revox 215 was exceptional, but what about the sound? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Incedently, the transport in the 480 is no slouch! Peace, Mike >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:15 -0600 > >I have repaired a 3014, but i do not remember anything about its sound. I >am familiar with the TCD330/440. This Tandberg was very stable, very >musical, had excellent specs, and was great for live recording. In record >the meters are fed the EQUALIZED (and dolbyized) signal, so they gave a bit >better indication of true record levels. The 440 added a peak led. I was >never enamored with the "open cockpit" type cassette decks..Pioneer >CTF1280, EUMIG, revox B215. (BTW I could run tests on a B215 I have here >for sale, if anyone wants my opinion) . If the 3014 has a combo head, like >the revox, then it will not be the best possible deck. After just a bit of >use, a combo head begins to suffer hf losses in record. A combo head also >has uneven deep bass, a function of geometry. > >tom brucker > >At 12:57 AM 3/2/07 +1200, you wrote: > > > >With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts >& technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your >opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. >Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', >perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping >some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm >exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback >& recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really >serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? > > > >Respect, > >Grant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Mar 2 15:06:30 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:06:30 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [naktalk] fade up light on - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net In-Reply-To: <005001c75ccd$07414e80$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> References: <200703020433.l224WV3l026394@zxe.naks.com> <005001c75ccd$07414e80$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20D9E@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Ditto the CR5. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Jones Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:17 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [naktalk] fade up light on - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net My CR-7A does this as well. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of DM2 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:32 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] fade up light on I think my rx 505 does this also.... Marc. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:29 PM To: moydan at excite.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] fade up light on That is correct. The fade up light stays on all the time. I believe that the only time it isn't is when in record or record pause AND fader down is pressed, then that light will go out slowly and fade down will light up. Also, it's two speed, so when you tap it, it will go slowly and when you press and hold it will go faster. SJ dan moy wrote: Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300. Mine is on all the time. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 15:13:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:13:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] fade up light on In-Reply-To: <200703020433.l224WV3l026394@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070302141333.37837.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most decks with the fade button have this light on. The one on the right. Ram DM2 wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I think my rx 505 does this also . Marc. --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:29 PM To: moydan at excite.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] fade up light on That is correct. The fade up light stays on all the time. I believe that the only time it isn't is when in record or record pause AND fader down is pressed, then that light will go out slowly and fade down will light up. Also, it's two speed, so when you tap it, it will go slowly and when you press and hold it will go faster. SJ dan moy wrote: Should the fade up light be on at all times on a BX-300. Mine is on all the time. Thanks, Dan --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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URL: From moydan at excite.com Fri Mar 2 15:21:07 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <20070302142107.5669D9200A@xprdmxin.myway.com> I had the same problem, i purchased an ground isolator and the system was completely quite after it was installed here is a reference: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?AID=1457539&PID=440939&Partnumber=180-075+&DID=7 Dan --- On Fri 03/02, Bob Naylor < wotbob at sbcglobal.net > wrote: From: Bob Naylor [mailto: wotbob at sbcglobal.net] To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up...I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs goinginto the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also.I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you knowwhich device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT ofequipment.........Marc.> -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum> > Try the following:> > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a> 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between> the chassis of that device and the computer chassis.> Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or> just plug it in through an adapter that does this).> > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops.> > -- Ron> > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote:> > This is tangentially Nak related. :)> > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds> > like a ground hum through the speakers.> >> > -- The cable is long, 25 ft.> > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices.> > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input.> > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable.> > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum.> > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot> > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of> > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer.> >> > Any ideas?> >> > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool> > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive.> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 2 15:32:34 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:32:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike: I would avoid those Revox as the spinning motors can fail with time ( it will stop FF or REW when the tape is approaching the end ) and the only solution is to replace both spinning motors and they cost at least $200 each just for part. This happens to my STUDER A710 which is the same as the B710 with balanced input/output. The transport is super solid though. The sound is warm compared with the Naks that I have which is not what I like though. The spinning motor issue is a design flaw ( the way I say that ). I believe Stepen Sank has mentioned about this long time ago here as well. Mike Michael Pisano wrote: Hi. I certainly would be interested in what the Revox 215 sounds like, as compared to a Nakamichi. I own an Aiwa 990, an Aiwa 770, and a Nak 480. The 480 blows those two decks away. The Aiwa's are noisier, less resolute, and definately lacking in bass, as well as being too fast! Even after they both were speed-adjusted by a tech, they were too fast. The Tandberg's that you mention sound like they would be worth looking into. I had alwys heard that the transport in the Revox 215 was exceptional, but what about the sound? Any info would be greatly appreciated! Incedently, the transport in the 480 is no slouch! Peace, Mike >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:15 -0600 > >I have repaired a 3014, but i do not remember anything about its sound. I >am familiar with the TCD330/440. This Tandberg was very stable, very >musical, had excellent specs, and was great for live recording. In record >the meters are fed the EQUALIZED (and dolbyized) signal, so they gave a bit >better indication of true record levels. The 440 added a peak led. I was >never enamored with the "open cockpit" type cassette decks..Pioneer >CTF1280, EUMIG, revox B215. (BTW I could run tests on a B215 I have here >for sale, if anyone wants my opinion) . If the 3014 has a combo head, like >the revox, then it will not be the best possible deck. After just a bit of >use, a combo head begins to suffer hf losses in record. A combo head also >has uneven deep bass, a function of geometry. > >tom brucker > >At 12:57 AM 3/2/07 +1200, you wrote: > > > >With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts >& technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your >opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. >Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', >perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping >some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm >exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback >& recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really >serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? > > > >Respect, > >Grant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. 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URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Mar 2 16:17:02 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:17:02 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c75bd7$3ce511d0$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20DA0@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> I just stuck my finger in there, definitely live! :) I did remove the third prong from a spare power cord and plugged the computer in. The problem was lessened, but not cured. The hum was reduced to about -40db. Still audible when no music is playing. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Salim S. Marzuki Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:52 PM To: soumitra at soumitrab.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) - Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org -----Original Message----- From: soumitra at soumitrab.com [mailto:soumitra at soumitrab.com] Anyways .. about the hum ... there are 2 things that come to my mind : a) The PC not being grounded properly : To check, connect a lightbulb across the live and earth (after disconnecting any plugs from the socket) .... if the bulb glows then earthing is fine. LOL ... Soumi, can't help imagining electrocuted newbie connecting bare bulb with wire to mains. :-) :-) just kidding of course, but cheap multimeter is much better ! have a great weekend guys, sm ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From citizen_sane at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 17:06:01 2007 From: citizen_sane at hotmail.com (joe schmo) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:06:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual Message-ID: Does anyone have (or know where I can download) an owners manual and/or service manual for a CR-3A? Thanks. -Dave _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more�.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 From lporretta at shaw.ca Fri Mar 2 17:21:11 2007 From: lporretta at shaw.ca (Luis Porretta) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:21:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b001c75ce6$cb221370$6400a8c0@LPFADESK> Hello, I would like to ditto this for the CR 5. I am willing to pay for what I get. Many thanks - Luis Does anyone have (or know where I can download) an owners manual and/or service manual for a CR-3A? Thanks. -Dave _________________________________________________________________ From andrewspencer at eircom.net Fri Mar 2 17:27:53 2007 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:27:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual References: <00b001c75ce6$cb221370$6400a8c0@LPFADESK> Message-ID: <001401c75ce7$c58e8140$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> I have the CR5/CR7 Manual in PDF format if anyone would like me to email it to them! Regards. Andy Dublin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Porretta" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual > Hello, > > I would like to ditto this for the CR 5. I am willing to pay for what I > get. > > Many thanks - Luis > > Does anyone have (or know where I can download) an owners manual and/or > service manual for a CR-3A? Thanks. > > -Dave > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 17:54:25 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:54:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703021655.l22Gsi3R002884@zxe.naks.com> Hello everyone! Just listed two (of my five) Nakamichi Dragons on ebay ( item 300086904959). Sorry for this spam, Victor From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 18:10:45 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:10:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <649743.34068.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe, When you find one/both, forward it/them on to me. I have a CR3A also. Thanks, Bob joe schmo wrote: Does anyone have (or know where I can download) an owners manual and/or service manual for a CR-3A? Thanks. -Dave _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 2 18:12:15 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual In-Reply-To: <001401c75ce7$c58e8140$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: <818685.22822.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, I'll take one! I can get up to 20 meg in each e-mail. Thanks, Bob wotbob at sbcglobal.net Andy wrote: I have the CR5/CR7 Manual in PDF format if anyone would like me to email it to them! Regards. Andy Dublin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Porretta" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking For a CR-3A Manual > Hello, > > I would like to ditto this for the CR 5. I am willing to pay for what I > get. > > Many thanks - Luis > > Does anyone have (or know where I can download) an owners manual and/or > service manual for a CR-3A? 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 18:14:41 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:14:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <200703021655.l22Gsi3R002884@zxe.naks.com> References: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200703021655.l22Gsi3R002884@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> Why not list them separately so you make more $ (and I could afford one)? :-P -Tim On 3/2/07, Victor Trifu wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > Just listed two (of my five) Nakamichi Dragons on ebay ( item > 300086904959). > > Sorry for this spam, > Victor > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 18:30:34 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:30:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10703020930y2c3a485bh233e900208e83edc@mail.gmail.com> I had a B-215 since 1985 and nothing failed until I sold it two years ago. AFAIK it is still in full working order. B-710 is not the same machine, so comparisons are not really possible. Maintenance and spare parts are freely available. As for the cost - well, $200 for a brand new original motor vs. unobtainable at any price brand new original motor or cannibalized used original motor in unknown condition ? I definitely know what I would prefer.... Soundwise - the best copy of original source I've heard, especially on the top line EMTEC Cr and Metals - sadly no longer available. Fantastic 4-frequency auto-bias calibration, works great for virtually anything you feed it, except the new production European-made TDKs with the rubbish shells. All Naks I've used, without exception, add their own thing to the recording - I am definitely NOT saying they sound worse - just ever so slightly different from the source. If it's CD, usually it's for the better -:). The B-215 is very Swiss-like (no offense to any swiss members, please) - extremely, I would say clinically precise in its reproduction of the source, but slightly cold and lifeless. I've compared with BX300, RX505, 582ZX, Dragon, 1000ZXL and various 2-head models. I tend to agree with Carlos (although apparently I was the last straw which made him leave the forum), I was most satisfied with playing back on the Dragon tapes which were recorded on the B215. To be frank, you really need a top notch system to be able to make the distinction - I would say ultimately it's a matter of personal taste. The 1000ZXL still blows me away, but I hear things there which are not present in the source material. I never got around to having a CR-7, I understand that sonically it is possibly the Nak closest to the B215. Stephen Sank stated that the motors in the B215 were so big and heavy that with time they tended to bend the shafts. That never happened with mine in the 20 years I had it. Last opinion - my technician said that the B215 was the best unit he'd had from the point of view of layout, access to various parts under the cover and maintenance. He hated the 1000ZXL -:). Before you ask why was the B215 on his bench - around 2001 it started behaving erratically and it turned out that the contacts of the sensors in the tape well were dirty, so the electronics were getting conflicting feedback whether there is a cassette in it or not. Hence the random start-stop during playback, calibration and recording, REW and FF, etc. It took him half an hour to clean them and it was as good as new. It also took him six months to figure it out, but that's another story -:). George On 3/2/07, LENA WONG wrote: > Hi Mike: > I would avoid those Revox as the spinning motors can fail with > time ( it will stop FF or REW when the tape is approaching the end ) and the > only solution is to replace both spinning motors and they cost at least $200 > each just for part. This happens to my STUDER A710 which is the same as the > B710 with balanced input/output. The transport is super solid though. The > sound is warm compared with the Naks that I have which is not what I like > though. The spinning motor issue is a design flaw ( the way I say that ). I > believe Stepen Sank has mentioned about this long time ago here as well. > > > Mike > > Michael Pisano wrote: > Hi. I certainly would be interested in what the Revox 215 sounds like, as > compared to a Nakamichi. I own an Aiwa 990, an Aiwa 770, and a Nak 480. The > 480 blows those two decks away. The Aiwa's are noisier, less resolute, and > definately lacking in bass, as well as being too fast! Even after they both > were speed-adjusted by a tech, they were too fast. The Tandberg's that you > mention sound like they would be worth looking into. I had alwys heard that > the transport in the Revox 215 was exceptional, but what about the sound? > Any info would be greatly appreciated! Incedently, the transport in the 480 > is no slouch! Peace, Mike > > > >From: Hi Tech > >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! > >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:49:15 -0600 > > > >I have repaired a 3014, but i do not remember anything about its sound. I > >am familiar with the TCD330/440. This Tandberg was very stable, very > >musical, had excellent specs, and was great for live recording. In record > >the meters are fed the EQUALIZED (and dolbyized) signal, so they gave a bit > >better indication of true record levels. The 440 added a peak led. I was > >never enamored with the "open cockpit" type cassette decks..Pioneer > >CTF1280, EUMIG, revox B215. (BTW I could run tests on a B215 I have here > >for sale, if anyone wants my opinion) . If the 3014 has a combo head, like > >the revox, then it will not be the best possible deck. After just a bit of > >use, a combo head begins to suffer hf losses in record. A combo head also > >has uneven deep bass, a function of geometry. > > > >tom brucker > > > >At 12:57 AM 3/2/07 +1200, you wrote: > > > > > >With so many passionate audiophiles, cassette deck collectors/enthusiasts > >& technical gurus populating this list, I'd be grateful to read your > >opinions on how the Tandberg TCD 3014A compares with the higher end Naks. > >Mention of the Tandberg is often in the context of the 'Dragon slayer', > >perhaps recycling a quote from a 20+ year old magazine review. I'm hoping > >some of you can offer some depth based on actual ownership or longterm > >exposure to the Tandberg in the company of Nakamichis. In terms of playback > >& recording quality, build quality & reliablity - is the 3014A really > >serious competition for the Dragon, CR-7 or 1000 ZXL? > > > > > >Respect, > > >Grant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >= > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM > >Hi Tech Service > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > >Nashville, TN 37211 > >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. > Intro*Terms > https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 18:37:02 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:37:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <724340.20041.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes I thought the same as there are not many buyers who would buy two together? Kannan PS: Your collection is very impressive !!! Tim Skorick wrote: Why not list them separately so you make more $ (and I could afford one)? :-P -Tim On 3/2/07, Victor Trifu < victor_trifu at yahoo.com> wrote: Hello everyone! Just listed two (of my five) Nakamichi Dragons on ebay ( item 300086904959). Sorry for this spam, Victor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 2 18:28:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:28:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070302112815.008638b0@earthlink.net> Diffused resonance can be determined by looking at diameters. If the pinch rollers are different diameters, flywheels, and capstan shafts, then the deck is diffused resonance. tom brucker At 06:10 PM 3/1/07 EST, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>>> In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by C-MOS logic" Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't have any documentation on it to refer to. Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 2 18:28:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:28:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <45E76413.3030508@cox.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070302112814.0086a8f0@earthlink.net> I'd love to see SI-3130. There used to be a Nak tech named "doug" who was he resident Dragon expert. Maybe they collected his knowledge! Sometimes you can xerox a faded fax and adjust the darkness, pulling the image back out of the faded background. tom brucker At 06:38 PM 3/1/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by C-MOS logic" Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't have any documentation on it to refer to. Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 2 20:10:35 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:10:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! Message-ID: > > To be frank, you really need a top notch system to be able to > make the > > distinction - I would say ultimately it's a matter of personal > taste. > > The 1000ZXL still blows me away, but I hear things there which > are not > > present in the source material. > So, what kind of things do you hear that aren't in the source (and > what kind of source)?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Victor At 12:14 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >Why not list them separately so you make more $ (and I could afford one)? :-P > >-Tim From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 20:29:12 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:29:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <724340.20041.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> <724340.20041.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703021930.l22JTcBE004930@zxe.naks.com> Kannan, Thank you for the compliment on my collection :) I am proud of my collection - it's an addiction, really... It doesn't look like I will be able to shake this addiction, my collection seems to just keep growing! Victor At 12:37 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >Yes I thought the same as there are not many buyers who would buy >two together? >Kannan >PS: Your collection is very impressive !!! From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 2 20:35:18 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:35:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <200703021930.l22JTcBE004930@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <91236.63730.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Victor: Just out of curiousity, are all your cassette decks in your collection are in running condition? Mike Victor Trifu wrote: Kannan, Thank you for the compliment on my collection :) I am proud of my collection - it's an addiction, really... It doesn't look like I will be able to shake this addiction, my collection seems to just keep growing! Victor At 12:37 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >Yes I thought the same as there are not many buyers who would buy >two together? >Kannan >PS: Your collection is very impressive !!! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 20:39:35 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:39:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi vs Tandberg 3014A - opinions please! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10703021139p3ea23b11q3c09e0628d2e1b8f@mail.gmail.com> It depends on the recording, usually it's more bass, a slightly warmer midrange and also a change in soundstage - some instruments stand out more, other move into the background. The source is CD/SACD from an EMM Labs CDSD SE + DCC2 SE combo. I don't do vinyl. So maybe I didn't word my statement precisely enough - I sometimes hear on the tape things differently than from the source. On 3/2/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > To be frank, you really need a top notch system to be able to make the > > distinction - I would say ultimately it's a matter of personal taste. > > The 1000ZXL still blows me away, but I hear things there which are not > > present in the source material. > So, what kind of things do you hear that aren't in the source (and > what kind of source)?-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 20:42:02 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:42:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <200703021928.l22JRd9O004868@zxe.naks.com> References: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200703021655.l22Gsi3R002884@zxe.naks.com> <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> <200703021928.l22JRd9O004868@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10703021142j4cac727cp7aafcb4ccae5497b@mail.gmail.com> So if two guys on this list are interested why don't they hook up and bid for the pair ? On 3/2/07, Victor Trifu wrote: > Tim, > > One reason to list them both is that there already are a few Dragons > for sale on ebay (aren't there always?). > Listing two together stands out more - I thought. > > Victor > > > At 12:14 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: > >Why not list them separately so you make more $ (and I could afford one)? :-P > > > >-Tim > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Mar 2 20:46:00 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:46:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons Message-ID: <743d8ebf467b4fcf9ce5327d8557111d.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Victor, How do you like your new Teac 860?I enjoy mine a lot... Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Victor Trifu[mailto:victor_trifu at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/2/2007 11:29:12 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Two Dragons Kannan, Thank you for the compliment on my collection :) I am proud of my collection - it's an addiction, really... It doesn't look like I will be able to shake this addiction, my collection seems to just keep growing! Victor At 12:37 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >Yes I thought the same as there are not many buyers who would buy >two together? >Kannan >PS: Your collection is very impressive !!! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 20:49:15 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:49:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <518b7b10703021142j4cac727cp7aafcb4ccae5497b@mail.gmail.com > References: <469369.55852.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200703021655.l22Gsi3R002884@zxe.naks.com> <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> <200703021928.l22JRd9O004868@zxe.naks.com> <518b7b10703021142j4cac727cp7aafcb4ccae5497b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200703021950.l22Jnhmv005264@zxe.naks.com> I couldn't have said it better myself :) Victor At 02:42 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >So if two guys on this list are interested why don't they hook up and >bid for the pair ? From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 20:47:51 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:47:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons In-Reply-To: <91236.63730.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200703021930.l22JTcBE004930@zxe.naks.com> <91236.63730.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703021950.l22Jng6W005263@zxe.naks.com> Mike, All the high end decks are running and up to spec. About 1/3 of the rest need some minor work (e.g. belt, cleaning, lubrication). A few decks (10?) need more serious work. Victor P.S. The above is for cassette deck, all the reel to reel decks are in top shape At 02:35 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >Victor: > Just out of curiousity, are all your cassette decks in > your collection are in running condition? > > >Mike From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 21:22:20 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070302112814.0086a8f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <994376.56578.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We have a Xerox machine here at work that will scan all the pages placed in the auto document feeder, do the required contrast/brighness adjustments, bundle them up in a PDF file and email them in one step. Even if it's double sided. Everyone who has used it, loves it. It will even do 11x17. If I had those 14 and 15 pages documents here I could have them scanned and sent in a couple of minutes. The one big drawback is if it's bound then I have to place the material on the glass by hand and then it creates a PDF and emails every page separately. SJ Hi Tech wrote: I'd love to see SI-3130. There used to be a Nak tech named "doug" who was he resident Dragon expert. Maybe they collected his knowledge! Sometimes you can xerox a faded fax and adjust the darkness, pulling the image back out of the faded background. tom brucker At 06:38 PM 3/1/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series and the 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled by C-MOS logic" Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't have any documentation on it to refer to. Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom>AOL.com. ---------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Victor Tariff wrote: I couldn't have said it better myself :) Victor At 02:42 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: >So if two guys on this list are interested why don't they hook up and >bid for the pair ? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Mar 2 23:22:13 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 22:22:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 2 owners manual and service bulletins In-Reply-To: <200703020017.l220HG3E023038@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703020017.l220HG3E023038@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: All this talk of pdf.s and xeroxes for Dragons has me adding my sixpennyworth that lower down the Nak food chain I am looking for a CD 2 owner or service manual ... I feel sure I heard of someone with these available Bower & Wilkins advised me that the full service and return courier will be £99 which is much less than the normal service for my classic mech. Which was a nice surprise ....... there isnt much under the bonnet compared to the old 481 It'll be interesting to hear what it sounds like ....... ian r From philztops at hotmail.com Sat Mar 3 00:16:22 2007 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:16:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <28394639.1172799307439.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Mar 3 00:19:15 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:19:15 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <994376.56578.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <994376.56578.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E8B0F3.7090808@cox.net> Scott- The original bulletin (OOD-SI-3071) is double-sided, stapled and in very good condition. The fax (.....3130) is stapled, single-sided, and in really terrible shape. I scanned in the first page of the fax and did some quick corrections in photoshop which made it legible, but just barely, so I think there is some hope for it. Unfortunately, I'm having some scanner issues that are slowing me down. New computer, different operating system, old drivers, so on and so on. I have the files which are supposed to update the drivers and software but am not having the best of luck making it work reliably. I'm going to do an uninstall / reinstall this weekend and try it again. If it thwarts me, I'll get in touch with you. Your offer is tempting. Tim Scott Johnson wrote: > > > We have a Xerox machine here at work that will scan all the pages > placed in the auto document feeder, do the required contrast/brighness > adjustments, bundle them up in a PDF file and email them in one step. > Even if it's double sided. Everyone who has used it, loves it. It > will even do 11x17. > > If I had those 14 and 15 pages documents here I could have them > scanned and sent in a couple of minutes. > > The one big drawback is if it's bound then I have to place the > material on the glass by hand and then it creates a PDF and emails > every page separately. > > SJ > > */Hi Tech /* wrote: > > I'd love to see SI-3130. There used to be a Nak tech named "doug" > who was > he resident Dragon expert. Maybe they collected his knowledge! > Sometimes > you can xerox a faded fax and adjust the darkness, pulling the > image back > out of the faded background. > > tom brucker > > At 06:38 PM 3/1/07 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused > resonance > dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' > transports > too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals > I looked > in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While > looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play > head preamp > and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. > the Dragon. > Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the > LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. > > Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon > manual, two > service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon > manual before. The service bulletins are: > 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. > Original. > Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. > 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June > 1992. Very > faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some > illustrations. > > If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and > making > PDF's out of them. > > Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR > series > decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 > language English / German / French and free to a good home! > > Tim > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/1/2007 3:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > lenaw at flash.net writes: > > The BX-300 is not the first Nak deck that has the "Assymetrical > Dual-Capstan Diffuse-Resonance Transport". At least the 580 series > and the > 660/670/680 series all have this type of transport. > > > > My 680 manual mentions a "diffused resonance transport controlled > by C-MOS > logic" > Is this the same transport design, or a similar one? > I've never owned a 580-1-2, although I did use one at work, so I don't > have any documentation on it to refer to. > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from > AOL at > tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom>AOL.com. > > > ---------- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddei1 at cox.net Sat Mar 3 00:49:51 2007 From: ddei1 at cox.net (Dave Michaels) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:49:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E8B81F.3010100@cox.net> You forgot "palpable'. Palpable is worth 600 bucks ! Philip Czekala wrote: > *A very nice BX 300. I guess that by being in an audiophiles room it > opens up the sound stage, tightens the bass, enhances the mid-range > and sweetens the high notes. I offered him $75.00US. * > > */Phil/* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /Roland / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /moydan at excite.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin/ > Date: /Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > MIME-Version: /1.0/ > Received: /from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by > bay0-mc2-f1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft > SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:36:49 -0800/ > Received: /from zxe.naks.com (f246035.upc-f.chello.nl > [80.56.246.35])(authenticated bits=0)by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl > (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l221a6mC055697;Fri, 2 Mar 2007 > 02:36:06 +0100 (CET)(envelope-from naktalk-bounces at naks.com)/ > Received: /from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by > zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l221ZwkV024001;Fri, 2 > Mar 2007 02:36:02 +0100/ > Received: /from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net > [68.230.240.47])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id > l221ZBtN023995for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 02:35:56 +0100/ > Received: /from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by > eastrmmtao105.cox.net(InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 > 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTPid > <20070302013507.SSAO2213.eastrmmtao105.cox.net at eastrmimpo01.cox.net>;Thu, > 1 Mar 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > Received: /from eastrmwml11 ([172.18.52.58])by > eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtpid Vdb61W0111FLnZ00000000; Thu, > 01 Mar 2007 20:35:06 -0500/ > Received: /from 68.9.124.151 by webmail.east.cox.net;Thu, 1 Mar > 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > > > >---- dan moy wrote: > > > > > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting bid > of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the > description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > > > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special edition?. > > > >Yes, special to him. > > > >I bought a BX300 sometime in 1985. I think I paid around $430 for > it at Tech Hi-Fi. > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best > route! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Mar 3 02:43:47 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:43:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Two Dragons References: <6bddc1110703020914r3b778eefx55f1e6afc82612ad@mail.gmail.com> <724340.20041.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200703021930.l22JTcBE004930@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c75d35$62e78b60$9e274446@a72400shuttle> yes, "impressive" wasn't the first word to come to my mind! HAHAHAHAHA From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Mar 3 02:46:22 2007 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:46:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins,andCR1 / 2 owners manual References: <994376.56578.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f501c75d35$bf77fc70$9e274446@a72400shuttle> Damn, what does a Xerox like that cost? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org Sat Mar 3 05:51:43 2007 From: charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org (Charles Peterson) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:51:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Weird Hum Message-ID: <45E8FEDF.7050404@sfbrgenetics.org> > >I just stuck my finger in there, definitely live! :) > >I did remove the third prong from a spare power cord and plugged the >computer in. The problem was lessened, but not cured. The hum was >reduced to about -40db. Still audible when no music is playing. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Salim S. Marzuki >Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:52 PM >To: soumitra at soumitrab.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [naktalk] Re: A weird hum (Donald Sangster) - >Sending mail server found on list.dsbl.org > > Cable boxes are typically a problem because the cable system itself is grounded before entering the house. It is supposed to be grounded at the electric service entrance, but often is simply grounded to a water pipe. In any case, the ground at the cable often differs slightly from local outlet ground, leading to ground loops with any other grounded equipment. I have about as complicated a system as any from a grounding standpoint, 1 cable box, 1 satelite TV DVR box, 3 computers, Alesis Masterlink, power amp, receiver, Behringer EQ and Crossover, etc, etc, spread out over two rooms but interconnected in several ways. It hasn't been easy getting rid of ground loops. Fortunately perhaps, all outlets are on same circuit. Probably not a good idea to lift grounds on computers or power amps or video monitors, those are considered the most important things to ground, biggest danger from transformer failure. Probably is a good idea to have a good GFCI outlet installed at the most downstream outlet so all upstream outlets are GFCI protected, especially if you're doing any ground lifting. Ground lifting is of course contrary to all electrical codes, GFCI or not, unless equipment itself has a ground lift switch, though I sometimes wonder if GFCI isn't better than grounding anyway. Biggest magic bullet is to "isolate" cable and satelite box grounds (which are problematic grounds) from the rest of the audio system. Their audio connections should go through ground isolators before going to preamp. You can get cheap audio ground isolators for <$20 at radio shack, or better quality Jensen Isomax ones at pro audio houses (such as Markertek) for more like $120. I find the radio shack isolators to be sonically transparent in double blind tests, but they have significant distortion (1% and more) below 100Hz, so I've switched to using Jensen Isomax, which have distortion as low as good preamps (.00x) and ruler flat frequency response. (I've measured them myself.) Most audiophile uses call for the unbalanced-to-unbalanced Isomax such as CI-2RR, but they also have unbalanced-to-balanced Isomax. Once you are in the balanced audio domain, ground loop hum is unlikely, so I use that kind of connection whenever possible. What sounds like hum can sometimes be ripple from old equipment with dying power supplies, I once discovered. You can also get RF cable isolators, however look for 2Ghz bandwidth and/or they might not be good for all cable and/or satelite systems. I use the Mondial "Magic Box" and "Magic Splitter" now available from Klipsch. They work fine for analog cable channels, but I wouldn't even try them on digital services, though interestingly enough, the cable company itself uses a similar isolator when you get a cable modem. Charles From philztops at hotmail.com Sat Mar 3 05:52:08 2007 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:52:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin In-Reply-To: <45E8B81F.3010100@cox.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Drinking vodka to you all right now! -Tim On 3/2/07, Philip Czekala wrote: > > *It only becomes "palpable" when you remove the WoW and FlutteR by > lubricating the transport with a FlufferNutteR.* > > > *Phil* > > ------------------------------ > From: *Dave Michaels * > Reply-To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks * > To: *Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks * > Subject: *Re: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin* > Date: *Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:49:51 -0500* > MIME-Version: *1.0* > Received: *from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by > bay0-mc11-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, > 2 Mar 2007 15:53:49 -0800* > Received: *from zxe.naks.com (f246035.upc-f.chello.nl [80.56.246.35])(authenticated > bits=0)by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id > l22Nr0TI008520;Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:53:01 +0100 (CET)(envelope-from > naktalk-bounces at naks.com)* > Received: *from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by zxe.naks.com ( > 8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22NoiBs008809;Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:51:59 +0100 > * > Received: *from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8])by > zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22NntmP008793for < > naktalk at naks.com>; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:50:42 +0100* > Received: *from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by > eastrmmtao102.cox.net(InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with > ESMTPid < > 20070302234952.KXUB1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net>for < > naktalk at naks.com>; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:49:52 -0500* > Received: *from [70.181.53.119] ([70.181.53.119])by eastrmimpo02.cox.netwith bizsmtpid Vzpr1W00D2aKHvJ0000000; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:49:51 -0500 > * > >You forgot "palpable'. Palpable is worth 600 bucks ! > > > >Philip Czekala wrote: > > > >>*A very nice BX 300. I guess that by being in an audiophiles room > >>it opens up the sound stage, tightens the bass, enhances the > >>mid-range and sweetens the high notes. I offered him $75.00US. * > >> > >>*/Phil/* > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> From: /Roland / > >> Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>/ > >> To: /moydan at excite.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> / > >> Subject: /Re: [naktalk] BX-300 on Ebay Bargin/ > >> Date: /Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > >> MIME-Version: /1.0/ > >> Received: /from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by > >> bay0-mc2-f1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft > >> SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:36:49 -0800/ > >> Received: /from zxe.naks.com (f246035.upc-f.chello.nl > >> [80.56.246.35])(authenticated bits=0)by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl > >> (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l221a6mC055697;Fri, 2 Mar 2007 > >> 02:36:06 +0100 (CET)(envelope-from naktalk-bounces at naks.com)/ > >> Received: /from zxe.naks.com (zxe.naks.com [127.0.0.1])by > >> zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l221ZwkV024001;Fri, > >>2 > >> Mar 2007 02:36:02 +0100/ > >> Received: /from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net > >> [68.230.240.47])by zxe.naks.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id > >> l221ZBtN023995for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 02:35:56 > >>+0100/ > >> Received: /from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by > >> eastrmmtao105.cox.net(InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 > >> 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTPid > >> > >><20070302013507.SSAO2213.eastrmmtao105.cox.net at eastrmimpo01.cox.net > >;Thu, > >> 1 Mar 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > >> Received: /from eastrmwml11 ([172.18.52.58])by > >> eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtpid Vdb61W0111FLnZ00000000; > >>Thu, > >> 01 Mar 2007 20:35:06 -0500/ > >> Received: /from 68.9.124.151 by webmail.east.cox.net;Thu, 1 > >>Mar > >> 2007 20:35:07 -0500/ > >> > > >> >---- dan moy wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Anyone see the BX-300 on eBay? The seller has a starting > >>bid > >> of $369.00 with a buy it now set at $549.00. I like the > >> description: THIS "RARE" ITEM IS FROM > >> > > MY AUDIOPHILE FRIEND'S MUSIC ROOM. Must be a special > >>edition?. > >> > > >> >Yes, special to him. > >> > > >> >I bought a BX300 sometime in 1985. I think I paid around $430 > >>for > >> it at Tech Hi-Fi. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the > >>best route! > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: > >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Don't miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from > Microsoft(r) Office Live > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Im mentioning that Im bidding on one for sale over here in scotland thats so near to me (60 miles) I can go and get it personally if I win Theres a 580 that ends an hour after the 300 which is also quite near but somewhat tatty I will bid for it if I miss the 300 which is in good nick with manual etc Do you think any servicing costs be the same for either model ? cheers ian From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Mar 3 15:23:56 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:23:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon 15K setup Message-ID: <001501c75d9f$94e8b390$6701a8c0@main> I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 00:26:27 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 15:26:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tom - do you take up sevicing a MB1 CD player Message-ID: <256365.82378.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom I have a MB1 - needs probably Disc drive motor, probably drive belt and may be lens. will you undertake the service of this and if so please send me the address to ship. thanks Kannan --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Sun Mar 4 06:11:33 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:11:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <20070302132356.27500.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703040512.l245Bj0d027279@zxe.naks.com> I get great results from those boxes. I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that's an OT discussion.. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 12:07:44 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 03:07:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <178530.62343.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook your comcast box to? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box I get great results from those boxes I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion . From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 14:59:02 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 05:59:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <178530.62343.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <135199.92253.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Directly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I bought it brand new in 1977! Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Bob, I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook your comcast box to? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box I get great results from those boxes I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion . --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 16:21:04 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:21:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <138083.25813.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure remember those! That and the SX1010 were really top end equipment. I think I know what you hit into. Years back, whenI plugged my set-top into my hi-fi, it didn't sound too good either. When I ran it into a modern Denon surround receiver and speakers, it was a different experience. However, try plugging in a turntable into the phono (if it has provisions) of these modern receivers and you would get a dissapointment. Sometime back I had this discussion and a number of people agreed that newer equipment did not perform too well with older equipment. For example, plugging a new, good dvd player into your Pioneer may not give a happy result like your Nak would. I believe the reason is that the working impedances and matching characteristics differ for the different generation of equipment, especially between older audio and news A/V equipment. My '73 Sansui 881 is perfectly happy with my bedroom Nak 680ZX and CD Player 4 but didn't sound too well with a new Samsung DVD player. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:59:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Directly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I bought it brand new in 1977! Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Bob, I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook your comcast box to? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box I get great results from those boxes I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion . From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Expecting? 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I think I remember the normal bias tapes taking a "harder hit" well and being a little stronger on low frequencies. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Sun Mar 4 16:48:59 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:48:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <20070304154859.C6F7A91FF5@xprdmxin.myway.com> Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101. Dan --- On Sun 03/04, Bala Ganesh Chandra < bg3009 at yahoo.com > wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [mailto: bg3009 at yahoo.com] To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:21:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Sure remember those! That and the SX1010 were really top end equipment. I think I know what you hit into. Years back, whenI plugged my set-top into my hi-fi, it didn't sound too good either. When I ran it into a modern Denon surround receiver and speakers, it was a different experience. However, try plugging in a turntable into the phono (if it has provisions) of these modern receivers and you would get a dissapointment.Sometime back I had this discussion and a number of people agreed that newer equipment did not perform too well with older equipment. For example, plugging a new, good dvd player into your Pioneer may not give a happy result like your Nak would. I believe the reason is that the working impedances and matching characteristics differ for the different generation of equipment, especially between older audio and news A/V equipment. My '73 Sansui 881 is perfectly happy with my bedroom Nak 680ZX and CD Player 4 but didn't sound too well with a new Samsung DVD player. Bala----- Original Message ----From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:59:02 PMSubject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast boxDirectly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I bought it brand new in 1977! BobBala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Bob, I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook your comcast box to? Bala ----- Original Message ----From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PMSubject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box I get great results from those boxes� I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that�s an OT discussion�. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob NaylorSent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up...I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs goinginto the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also.I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you knowwhich device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT ofequipment.........Marc.> -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum> > Try the following:> > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a> 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between> the chassis of that device and the computer chassis.> Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or> just plug it in through an adapter that does this).> > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops.> > -- Ron> > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote:> > This is tangentially Nak related. :)> > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds> > like a ground hum through the speakers.> >> > -- The cable is long, 25 ft.> > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices.> > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input.> > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable.> > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum.> > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot> > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of> > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer.> >> > Any ideas?> >> > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool> > looking one, but they are over $200. 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual I believe that Nakamichi used the term "Asymmetrical diffused resonance dual capstan", or something similar, to describe the 'classic' transports too, though I couldn't find reference to it in the service manuals I looked in. Then again, it's a marketing thing, not a servicing thing. While looking through the service manuals I checked the BX-300's play head preamp and don't see anything markedly different about it's design vs. the Dragon. Same FET input and opamp. It's much different than the preamp in the LX-5, for example, which uses standard discrete transistors. Speaking of manuals, while I was leafing through the Dragon manual, two service bulletins fell out of it. I'd never really explored the Dragon manual before. The service bulletins are: 1. OOD-SI-3071 Troubleshooting, 14 pages, dated 18 March 1985. Original. Dry reading, a list of problems and possible causes. 2. OOD-SI-3130 Troubleshooting Guide, 15 pages, dated 19 June 1992. Very faded fax from Nakamichi service. A bit wordier, with some illustrations. If anyone is interested in these, I can try scanning them in and making PDF's out of them. Also, I have a CR1 / CR2 owners manual. Since I don't own any CR series decks, I have no interest in it. Is anyone else interested? It's 3 language English / German / French and free to a good home! Tim Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 4 18:04:54 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:04:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <135199.92253.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <135199.92253.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45EAFC36.1070007@rcn.com> I sure remember the SX-1250. I owned (and thoroughly enjoyed) mine for several years. An excellent receiver. I still have the service manual. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Directly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I > bought it brand new in 1977!* > *Bob* > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Bob, > I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook > your comcast box to? > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: DM2 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > I get great results from those boxes… I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs > (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them > hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job > nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion…. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Bob Naylor > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > **Marc,** > **Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have > it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of > CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What > have you noticed? Any one else?** > **Bob** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */DM2 /* wrote: > > Im glad you guys brought this up... > > I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA > outs going > into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get > this hum also. > I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how > would you know > which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I > have a LOT of > equipment......... > > Marc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Ron > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > > > Try the following: > > > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get > what sounds > > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and > the Nak input. > > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 > foot cable. > > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the > 25 foot > > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, > including of > > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes > a very cool > > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that > expensive. > > From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 18:09:18 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:09:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay References: <256365.82378.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c75e29$93a8ece0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> Message-ID: <002d01c75e7f$d8ae2f20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Ken, I am currently in the process of removing the belts from my NAK BX300 to send to this same ebay site. He is going to use mine for the standards by which he will make up kits for the BX300. I have no other experience with the gentleman, but I'm going to give them a try. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Mashlan To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Hi all. I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone tried these belts or know if they work with the classic mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? Ken http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-700-700II-ZXE-ZXL-1000-1000II-ZXL-BELT-KIT_W0QQitemZ130084012608QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 3/4/2007 1:58 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 18:23:43 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:23:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <45EAFC36.1070007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20070304172343.45356.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You know how once in a while you buy something with the thought that "I'll have this the rest of my life?" Well that will be the case with this 1250. I also found another one on e-bay several months ago in mint condx. I paid top dollar for it and it is really mint! Bob Ron wrote: I sure remember the SX-1250. I owned (and thoroughly enjoyed) mine for several years. An excellent receiver. I still have the service manual. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Directly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I > bought it brand new in 1977!* > *Bob* > > */Bala Ganesh Chandra /* wrote: > > Bob, > I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook > your comcast box to? > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: DM2 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > I get great results from those boxes I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs > (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them > hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job > nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Bob Naylor > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > **Marc,** > **Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have > it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of > CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What > have you noticed? Any one else?** > **Bob** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */DM2 /* wrote: > > Im glad you guys brought this up... > > I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA > outs going > into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get > this hum also. > I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how > would you know > which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I > have a LOT of > equipment......... > > Marc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Ron > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > > > Try the following: > > > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get > what sounds > > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and > the Nak input. > > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 > foot cable. > > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the > 25 foot > > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, > including of > > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes > a very cool > > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that > expensive. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 18:29:00 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] wireless headphones Message-ID: <895750.78312.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a set of Sony wireless headphones that don't work very well (915 MHz). Even at a distance of three feet I get FM white noise. Sometimes it's clear but when you move your head just slightly you get a lot of white noise. Does anyone know, is this an antenna problem, either on the transmitter or the phones or maybe the transmitter or receiver in the phones are off frequency? I wonder if I could tune either the transmitter or receiver if it's a frequency problem? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 18:34:58 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <20070304154859.C6F7A91FF5@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20070304173459.57942.qmail@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How does the SACD sound on the philips? I have a feeling that my old sony sounds better than my new sony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony sounds fantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer CD/DVD players in to my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 in one room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui, gas, technics etc. and have no hum problems so far and the new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a CD player. david --- dan moy wrote: > > Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for > my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact > problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101. > Dan > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 18:39:05 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:39:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <138083.25813.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855856.84126.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do have a DVD player but I pick up the audio from the TV and not directly from the DVD player but it sounds great this way (much better than the cable box audio channels). TV audio through the stereo is nice but not that important to me but the cable box with the audio only music channels is what I really want so I can pick up the audio either from the TV or directly from the cable box. When switching back and forth the audio through the TV sounds warmer then the direct cable box connection. All these into the 1250. Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Sure remember those! That and the SX1010 were really top end equipment. I think I know what you hit into. Years back, whenI plugged my set-top into my hi-fi, it didn't sound too good either. When I ran it into a modern Denon surround receiver and speakers, it was a different experience. However, try plugging in a turntable into the phono (if it has provisions) of these modern receivers and you would get a dissapointment. Sometime back I had this discussion and a number of people agreed that newer equipment did not perform too well with older equipment. For example, plugging a new, good dvd player into your Pioneer may not give a happy result like your Nak would. I believe the reason is that the working impedances and matching characteristics differ for the different generation of equipment, especially between older audio and news A/V equipment. My '73 Sansui 881 is perfectly happy with my bedroom Nak 680ZX and CD Player 4 but didn't sound too well with a new Samsung DVD player. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 9:59:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Directly to the AUX input of a Pioneer SX-1250. Remember those? I bought it brand new in 1977! Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Bob, I think the next question would be, what type of stereo did you hook your comcast box to? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: DM2 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 1:11:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box I get great results from those boxes I have 3 HD dual tuner dvrs (3412 with the HDMI output). Sound is great. I have two of them hooked up to THX 7.1 surround sound units and they do the job nicely. The HDMI is great.. but that’s an OT discussion . --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up... I have the sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs going into the computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also. I have multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you know which device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT of equipment......... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum > > Try the following: > > Locate the device in your A/V system that has a > 3 prong plug. Connect a single ground wire between > the chassis of that device and the computer chassis. > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or > just plug it in through an adapter that does this). > > This should eliminate any hum due to ground loops. > > -- Ron > > > > Beckner, Derrick wrote: > > This is tangentially Nak related. :) > > Been trying to run my computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds > > like a ground hum through the speakers. > > > > -- The cable is long, 25 ft. > > -- The hum is not present using shorter cables to other devices. > > -- The hum is present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input. > > -- The hum is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable. > > -- Muting the computer's output does not alleviate the hum. > > -- Every output on the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot > > cable, but not any other cable or device I have used, including of > > course the speakers or headphones I use on the computer. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I've though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool > > looking one, but they are over $200. 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I have addressed this reply also to the audiotalk list, so it should be easy to pick it up there - just please do not automatically reply to both lists now. Thanks, George On 3/4/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > I have a set of Sony wireless headphones that don't work very well (915 > MHz). Even at a distance of three feet I get FM white noise. Sometimes > it's clear but when you move your head just slightly you get a lot of white > noise. Does anyone know, is this an antenna problem, either on the > transmitter or the phones or maybe the transmitter or receiver in the phones > are off frequency? I wonder if I could tune either the transmitter or > receiver if it's a frequency problem? > Thanks, Bob > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From r1seals at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 18:43:46 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:43:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay In-Reply-To: <002d01c75e7f$d8ae2f20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <873718.27068.qm@web50010.mail.yahoo.com> Max I would like to know how this all takes place as well please keep us posted.and I think he is in Houston. Max Havlik wrote: @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Ken, I am currently in the process of removing the belts from my NAK BX300 to send to this same ebay site. He is going to use mine for the standards by which he will make up kits for the BX300. I have no other experience with the gentleman, but I'm going to give them a try. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Mashlan To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Hi all I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone tried these belts or know if they work with the classic mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 4 18:47:38 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:47:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive in Naks, Dragon service bulletins, andCR1 / 2 owners manual In-Reply-To: <133352.87567.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <133352.87567.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45EB063A.6060202@xs4all.nl> YES! Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I agree.The Dragon ones will certainly be valuable. Wouter > is it possible to make them available on the site please? > > Bala > From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 18:49:51 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:49:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Message-ID: <1cc47db60703040949v47bce09cy8d119a2856f7df76@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just started to unwrap my old sorely missed mr-1. Been in the closet for 2 years, calling for attention. This is the first nak I've been into with such a birdnest of cables. So, I figured I'd need all the help I could muster. Here's a list of current known issues. No rec/play, ff,rw functions. Reel motor engages left reel for approx 1sec. at power up, brakes stay engaged. Stop lamp turns off for approx 2sec when ff or rw is depressed during which a short pulse is applied to the reel motor.Then the stop lamp turns back on. This produces only a small bump in motor movement, brakes stay engaged, motor sounds strained. When play button is depressed stop lamp stays lit. Appears to have a power/logic problem feeding the motor that disengages the reel brakes and engages the heads. Voltmeter reading at this motor shows .02 volts when the play function is depressed. This is with the motor still connected. Have yet to desolder it. Engaging the pause function causes the stop lamp to go out and the pause lamp to light, for about 3 sec. At which point it reverts to the resting stop position. Record function produces the same result. All belts have been renewed. Any ideas on what troubleshooting direction to proceed with? Thanks in advance!! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Mar 4 19:03:47 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay In-Reply-To: <002d01c75e7f$d8ae2f20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> References: <256365.82378.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c75e29$93a8ece0$5f01a8c0@shuttle> <002d01c75e7f$d8ae2f20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <45EB0A03.3040404@snet.net> Given the fact that he refers directly to the belt thickness and is aware of the w&f problems, I'd be inclined to think that is a good source for useful belts. I'll be interested to hear if anyone has sucess.. particularly with the classic mechanism which is by far the most prone to w&f issues due to incorrect belt thickness. Ed Max Havlik wrote: > Ken, I am currently in the process of removing the belts from my NAK > BX300 to send to this same ebay site. He is going to use mine for the > standards by which he will make up kits for the BX300. I have no > other experience with the gentleman, but I'm going to give them a try. > > Max > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Mashlan > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay > > Hi all... > > > > I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone > tried these belts or know if they work with the classic > mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, > but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? > > > > Ken > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-700-700II-ZXE-ZXL-1000-1000II-ZXL-BELT-KIT_W0QQitemZ130084012608QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: > 3/4/2007 1:58 PM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Mar 4 19:10:28 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:10:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <304983.78178.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <304983.78178.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45EB0B94.5020304@snet.net> Hi Mike, My dad owned a CAD4 for many years and ran it until the head became so worn that there was audible crosstalk between side 1 and 2 of the tape. While the CAD5 has the honor of being one of the very first decks to incorporate Dolby noise reduction, the overall performance was fairly dubious. I recall that even though I was only 12 or so, I was bothered by the excessive tape hiss and disappointed to find that the top end response only extended to about 12k at best. Certainly, this was no match for even the consumer Ampex open reel I'd gotten from my dad as a hand me down. Yes, the CAD5 was Nak OEM, but it does not perform nearly as well as the Advent 201. Ed LENA WONG wrote: > Tom: > What do you think about the Harman Kardon CAD5? I believe that > it is OEM from Nakamichi. I still have this machine because I like the > look. Any chance that this machine can be restored? Thanks. > > > Mike > > > Hi Tech wrote: > > Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for > the HK > CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. > > tom brucker > > At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I > remember > that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: > > 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. > 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. > 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / > Dragon / ZXL > series. > 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 > series too, > I believe. > > I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 > derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? > > Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in > motors and > heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the > same. > > Tim > > > > David King wrote: > Hi all > > After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a > little > bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the > ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? > > With thanks > > David King > > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is > for the > intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, > please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. > > The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily > reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Mashlan To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Hi all. I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone tried these belts or know if they work with the classic mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? 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URL: From moydan at excite.com Sun Mar 4 20:14:16 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:14:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <20070304191416.60CDD8B317@xprdmxin.myway.com> David, I do not have any hum, I was referring to the fact that my Philips does not sound nearly as good as my BX-300 with the same material. Have not tried an SACD yet... Dan --- On Sun 03/04, fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > wrote: From: fripp_em [mailto: fripp_em at yahoo.com] To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box How does the SACD sound on the philips? I have afeeling that my old sony sounds better than my newsony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony soundsfantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer CD/DVD players into my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 inone room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui,gas, technics etc. and have no hum problems so far andthe new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a CDplayer.david--- dan moy wrote:> > Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for> my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact> problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101.> Dan> ____________________________________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! 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From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 20:16:19 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 11:16:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay References: <256365.82378.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000601c75e29$93a8ece0$5f01a8c0@shuttle><002d01c75e7f$d8ae2f20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> <45EB0A03.3040404@snet.net> Message-ID: <007e01c75e91$971f53b0$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> The BX300 has only 2 belts, the drive belt from motor to flywheel, and the counter belt, very easy to change, and I'm changing the idler tire while it's apart. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Given the fact that he refers directly to the belt thickness and is aware of the w&f problems, I'd be inclined to think that is a good source for useful belts. I'll be interested to hear if anyone has sucess.. particularly with the classic mechanism which is by far the most prone to w&f issues due to incorrect belt thickness. Ed Max Havlik wrote: Ken, I am currently in the process of removing the belts from my NAK BX300 to send to this same ebay site. He is going to use mine for the standards by which he will make up kits for the BX300. I have no other experience with the gentleman, but I'm going to give them a try. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Mashlan To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Hi all. I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone tried these belts or know if they work with the classic mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? 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Max Havlik wrote: @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Ken, I am currently in the process of removing the belts from my NAK BX300 to send to this same ebay site. He is going to use mine for the standards by which he will make up kits for the BX300. I have no other experience with the gentleman, but I'm going to give them a try. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Mashlan To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for sale on eBay Hi all I see a listing on eBay under item no 130084012608. Has anyone tried these belts or know if they work with the classic mechanism? The seller states they do with no wow/flutter issues, but I am interested if anyone has tried them and could verify this? 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Mar 4 21:07:00 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:07:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just 'won a 300 E on ebay and will put newly serviced CD 2 up for sale In-Reply-To: <200703041914.l24JE3Up005157@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703041914.l24JE3Up005157@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello brothers and maybe a sister or two....! Im a happy camper..... i just bought the 300e i mentioned yesterday on ebay and I'll collect in person and its an original owner .... well same family I think it was the sellers father After all the recent talk or transport and most bang for your buck refs about this model I thought I should get htis one ..... the item number is Someone had an auction sniper program bid in the last 10 seconds so it went up 0ver £25 in the last 10 seconds! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130084721097 if you'd like to pass comments or opine about it. Obviously Im hoping for the best ....... and will sell the CD 2 on eBay as a fully serviced item when it comes back from B&W next week and hopefully cover its costs. I shall be happy to sell a perfect nak albeit low end on ebay ... unless someone here wishes to buy it ........around £150 for a 'as new' Nak Cd 2 I know you probably wont be interested but its only rigt to let us nakkers know first. Cheers ian scotland From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Mar 4 21:22:41 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:22:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Just 'won a 300 E on ebay and will put newly serviced CD 2 up for sale In-Reply-To: References: <200703041914.l24JE3Up005157@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ian. All I can say is once I was happy and naive like you about getting a nice Nak for cheap. Little did I realise that would be the beggining of a lengthy acute gear acqusition syndrom. Well. theres my comment. But its a fun disease! Congrats! On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:07:00 -0600, wrote: > Hello brothers and maybe a sister or two....! > > Im a happy camper..... i just bought the 300e i mentioned yesterday on > ebay and I'll collect in person and its an original owner .... well same > family I think it was the sellers father > > After all the recent talk or transport and most bang for your buck refs > about this model I thought I should get htis one ..... the item number is > > Someone had an auction sniper program bid in the last 10 seconds so it > went up 0ver £25 in the last 10 seconds! > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130084721097 > > if you'd like to pass comments or opine about it. > > Obviously Im hoping for the best ....... and will sell the CD 2 on eBay > as a fully serviced item when it comes back from B&W next week and > hopefully cover its costs. I shall be happy to sell a perfect nak albeit > low end on ebay ... unless someone here wishes to buy it ........around > £150 for a 'as new' Nak Cd 2 > I know you probably wont be interested but its only rigt to let us > nakkers know first. > > Cheers > > ian > > scotland > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Mar 4 21:56:30 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:56:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] re: Just 'won a 300 E on ebay and will put newly serviced CD 2 up for sale In-Reply-To: <200703042024.l24KOu6W006130@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703042024.l24KOu6W006130@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: hi Jerry Er yes ...I know ..... this is my third one, the 481z is a gorgeous sounding thing, the CD 2 I havent heard ... but as we all know its late and low end, and now this 300 However I always get them serviced by B&W so they are as tip top as they could ever be so I only 'need' 2 for the house's use ....... and unless i buy a dragon mark 2 or CR7 I dont expect theres anywhere else to go ... and the 300 if it needs a service will (inshallah) will get one ....... I sort of factor the service costs in when bidding.... thanks for the 'warning' cheers ian scotland From: jerryjg Subject: Just 'won a 300 E on ebay and will put newly serviced CD 2 up for sale Hi Ian. All I can say is once I was happy and naive like you about getting a nice Nak for cheap. Little did I realise that would be the beggining of a lengthy acute gear acqusition syndrom. Well. theres my comment. But its a fun disease! Congrats! From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 22:51:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:51:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TAPE MANUFACTURING OVERVIEW 2007 In-Reply-To: <00e601c75e72$39a66f80$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <723761.17777.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have quite a few ADs. The record at a higher level than the Ds or the Maxell UDs. They, however can not be compaed to good high bias( Denon HD-8s) or Metals. What I find lacking in these is the bass. The highs also seem artificially extended and if you mess with the record levels( too high) you will hear distorted highs instantly. Stay under 5db peak on Naks and under 2db peask on other decks. I recommend usinf dolby C on these tapes if you can play back on dolby C. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: I see (from the overview) that there are no longer TDK AD tapes. Can anyone tell me what the difference between D and AD is? Is there any tape that is roughly equivalent to the AD? I just bought some TDK D and some TDK AM60 PRO tapes on eBay and am wondering what the AM60 pro are like, quality and formula-wise. They did not cost me a lot but I don't want to subject my Nak decks to something if it is not a good idea. Is there a recommended "equivalent" to the AD? I remember a Maxell UDXL I from years back but have not seen any available recently. I think I remember the normal bias tapes taking a "harder hit" well and being a little stronger on low frequencies. . 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URL: From moydan at excite.com Sun Mar 4 22:55:09 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:55:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <20070304215509.16D3E3743F@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> David,Just bought a few SACD's and they really do sound great..., perhaps I need a better standard CD player.Dan --- On Sun 03/04, dan moy < moydan at excite.com > wrote:From: dan moy [mailto: moydan at excite.com]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:14:16 -0500 (EST)Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast boxDavid,I do not have any hum, I was referring to the fact that my Philips does not sound nearly as good as my BX-300 with the same material. Have not tried an SACD yet...Dan --- On Sun 03/04, fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > wrote:From: fripp_em [mailto: fripp_em at yahoo.com]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast boxHow does the SACD sound on the philips? I have afeeling that my old sony sounds better than my newsony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony soundsfantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer CD/DVD players into my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 inone room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui,gas, technics etc. and have no hum problems so far andthe new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a CDplayer.david--- dan moy wrote:> > Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for> my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact> problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101.> Dan> ____________________________________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Sat Mar 3 22:44:32 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:44:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <001501c75d9f$94e8b390$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <28661.34922.qm@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 4 23:47:54 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:47:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon service bulletin In-Reply-To: <45EB063A.6060202@xs4all.nl> References: <133352.87567.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45EB063A.6060202@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <45EB4C9A.4090807@xs4all.nl> Just to let you all know that I received Tim's scanned document and placed it on the naks.com wiki page (last item in the list): http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents These are all the service bulletins currently on file, if you have more please send it and i'll add it to the collection. BTW, the wiki page can be altered by those that feel the need to do so (just register), I added it for the gauges project but seems useful for other things as well... Wouter From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 23:53:46 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <28661.34922.qm@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070304225346.26136.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most Metals( tdk, maxell) outperform any high bias( CrO2) tapes. However, the Denon HD-* was a unique high bias cassette I bought recently that changed all that. It has great lows and stunning highs. It has a metal formulation in it but they call it a Type II tape anyway. Behaves just like metals. I got mine for $3 a pop. If anything this baby will command $4-8 and is worth every penny of it compared to the $15-infinity priced metals. Just MHO. Ram Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? 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Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 23:54:00 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:54:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <28661.34922.qm@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001501c75d9f$94e8b390$6701a8c0@main> <28661.34922.qm@web50003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703041454h273a5fc5w51a6708bb65a019@mail.gmail.com> There is a marked difference in recording quality between, say, Maxell type II (like XLII-S) and some of their older type IV tapes (MAX-G). That having been said, I wouldn't pay $30 each for a metal tape on ebay, but then I do have a stock of them so I don't feel compelled to. I believe SKC metal tapes (ex-Sony?) are still available for purchase at non-stupid prices too. -Tim On 3/3/07, Russ Seals wrote: > > I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are > they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these > ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from > the type 2 tapes. > Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons > and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . > > *Bill Shenefelt * wrote: > > I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. > Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the > initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and > goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head > contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with > setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the > same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Food fight?Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! 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I also emailed the Ebay seller to alert him, and to ask if he knows where my cassette door may have been shipped, but I've not received a reply from him. If anyone who won parts in that auction receives my door, I'd appreciate it if they would forward it to me. Thanks Tim Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 00:03:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:03:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110703041454h273a5fc5w51a6708bb65a019@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <218893.38873.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, SKCs are available for $7.50 on the web. However, they aren't anywhere as good as the TDK metals or even the Denon HD-8s. I agree I will not buy MAs or MA-x or even XGs for these exhorbitant prices ebay sellers charge. Ram Tim Skorick wrote: There is a marked difference in recording quality between, say, Maxell type II (like XLII-S) and some of their older type IV tapes (MAX-G). That having been said, I wouldn't pay $30 each for a metal tape on ebay, but then I do have a stock of them so I don't feel compelled to. I believe SKC metal tapes (ex-Sony?) are still available for purchase at non-stupid prices too. -Tim On 3/3/07, Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt < william.shenefelt at verizon.net> wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 00:31:26 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box Message-ID: <62459.14046.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Dan, This is the problem which I am describing. While the newer equipment do not work very well with the older equipment, theyy do seem to fit in well with newer AV receivers and TVs. Hum is all about ensuring proper grounding for and between individal pieces of gear, as well as good signal inter-connection. But newer equipment, especially those digital front-ends seem to sound less and less better with older equipment. The problem is more pronouned in AV equipment then audio equipment. With the plethora of discs waitingto take the reign as the next generation media, mainstream entertainment is only going to drift further away. I guess that the AV industry is gradualy shifting away to its own standards as digital set-top convergence is becoming more of a certainity. For the original ground problem, is your Pioneer grounded to the mains? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: dan moy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:14:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box David, I do not have any hum, I was referring to the fact that my Philips does not sound nearly as good as my BX-300 with the same material. Have not tried an SACD yet... Dan --- On Sun 03/04, fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > wrote: From: fripp_em [mailto: fripp_em at yahoo.com] To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box How does the SACD sound on the philips? I have afeeling that my old sony sounds better than my newsony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony soundsfantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer CD/DVD players into my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 inone room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui,gas, technics etc. and have no hum problems so far andthe new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a CDplayer.david--- dan moy wrote:> > Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for> my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact> problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101.> Dan> ____________________________________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! 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With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Tim, SKCs are available for $7.50 on the web. However, they aren't anywhere as good as the TDK metals or even the Denon HD-8s. I agree I will not buy MAs or MA-x or even XGs for these exhorbitant prices ebay sellers charge. Ram Tim Skorick wrote: There is a marked difference in recording quality between, say, Maxell type II (like XLII-S) and some of their older type IV tapes (MAX-G). That having been said, I wouldn't pay $30 each for a metal tape on ebay, but then I do have a stock of them so I don't feel compelled to. I believe SKC metal tapes (ex-Sony?) are still available for purchase at non-stupid prices too. -Tim On 3/3/07, Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt < william.shenefelt at verizon.net> wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. 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And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Food fight? 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 01:15:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <536865.56930.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482881.47468.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound colored. SA is good evne now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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I would suggest you invest your money in one of each from the same manufacturer and hear them for yourself - make up your own mind, don't rely upon the subjective opinions of others. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: 03 March 2007 21:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Mar 5 01:49:20 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:49:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 parts In-Reply-To: <45EB4FC5.4080402@cox.net> Message-ID: I feel for you and I feel for the seller ... I made the same mistake when I sold two cartridges on eBay. The guy who got the lower value cartridge instead of the higher one, I compensated without any quibbles. He generously didn't leave any negative feedback - in fact he didn't leave any at all! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Barrett Sent: 04 March 2007 23:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 parts All - Recently a ZX-7 was parted out on Ebay. I bid on and won the cassette well door. Yesterday in the mail I received someone else's parts from that auction - someone on Naktalk - and I have already notified them that I have their parts and will forward them. I also emailed the Ebay seller to alert him, and to ask if he knows where my cassette door may have been shipped, but I've not received a reply from him. If anyone who won parts in that auction receives my door, I'd appreciate it if they would forward it to me. Thanks Tim Barrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Mar 5 01:49:24 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:49:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <482881.47468.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Bala, Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound colored. SA is good evne now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 02:08:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:08:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <369255.67174.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gra, I have some stock of old Japanese SA's which I feel are great. Neither they, nor my TDK-MAXGs have the azimuth issue either. So if the newer ones are having this problem, its an issue. But the shell aside, how is the tape itself? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:49:24 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Bala, Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound colored. SA is good evne now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 5 02:11:41 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:11:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box In-Reply-To: <62459.14046.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070305011141.40084.qmail@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No it is not grounded. Never had a hum problem until trying to hook up the PC. No other hum. Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Bob, Dan, This is the problem which I am describing. While the newer equipment do not work very well with the older equipment, theyy do seem to fit in well with newer AV receivers and TVs. Hum is all about ensuring proper grounding for and between individal pieces of gear, as well as good signal inter-connection. But newer equipment, especially those digital front-ends seem to sound less and less better with older equipment. The problem is more pronouned in AV equipment then audio equipment. With the plethora of discs waitingto take the reign as the next generation media, mainstream entertainment is only going to drift further away. I guess that the AV industry is gradualy shifting away to its own standards as digital set-top convergence is becoming more of a certainity. For the original ground problem, is your Pioneer grounded to the mains? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: dan moy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:14:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box David, I do not have any hum, I was referring to the fact that my Philips does not sound nearly as good as my BX-300 with the same material. Have not tried an SACD yet... Dan --- On Sun 03/04, fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > wrote: From: fripp_em [mailto: fripp_em at yahoo.com] To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box How does the SACD sound on the philips? I have afeeling that my old sony sounds better than my newsony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony soundsfantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer CD/DVD players into my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 inone room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui,gas, technics etc. and have no hum problems so far andthe new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a CDplayer.david--- dan moy wrote:> > Does this mean I should get a vintage CD player for> my vintage preamplifier? I'm having this exact> problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101.> Dan> ____________________________________________________________________________________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097========---------------------------------------------------------========= ! 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Thanks, George On 3/5/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > No it is not grounded. Never had a hum problem until trying to hook up the > PC. No other hum. > Bob > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Bob, Dan, > > This is the problem which I am describing. While the newer > equipment do not work very well with the older equipment, theyy do seem to > fit in well with newer AV receivers and TVs. Hum is all about ensuring > proper grounding for and between individal pieces of gear, as well as good > signal inter-connection. But newer equipment, especially those digital > front-ends seem to sound less and less better with older equipment. > > The problem is more pronouned in AV equipment then audio equipment. With the > plethora of discs waitingto take the reign as the next generation media, > mainstream entertainment is only going to drift further away. I guess that > the AV industry is gradualy shifting away to its own standards as digital > set-top convergence is becoming more of a certainity. > > For the original ground problem, is your Pioneer grounded to the mains? > > Bala > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: dan moy > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 3:14:16 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > > > David, > I do not have any hum, I was referring to the fact that my Philips does not > sound nearly as good as my BX-300 with the same material. Have not tried an > SACD yet... > > Dan > > > > --- On Sun 03/04, fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > wrote: > From: fripp_em [mailto: fripp_em at yahoo.com] > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:34:58 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > How does the SACD sound on the philips? I have afeeling that my old sony > sounds better than my newsony with CDs, but the SACD on the new sony > soundsfantastic. What's up with that? I have no hum problems running newer > CD/DVD players into my older equipment. I'm using Kenwood KA-9100 inone > room and KA-907 in another. I also use sansui,gas, technics etc. and have > no hum problems so far andthe new Sony CD doesn't actually sound bad for a > CDplayer.david--- dan moy wrote:> > Does this mean I > should get a vintage CD player for> my vintage preamplifier? I'm having > this exact> problem with my Philips DVD963SA and my B&K MC-101.> Dan> > ____________________________________________________________________________________Finding > fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! 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So, I have to record myself playing cello this week. I set the microphones up(AT822 omni mike and SM58 pointing in the same direction in front of me), everything was fine, placed the mixer levels correctly, and then, I pressed record on my Superscope CD-330(My only tape recorder that plays things right). The sound is horrible!(Highs are discontinuous, there are holes in the sound) Tried with an other tape (TDK SA instead of Sony CD-IT), same thing. I also have to put the left channel twice as loud as the right one. On that TDK tape, there was FM radio I recorded with my black BX-2 when I received it (It was working very well, just came out of service center), and I saw that I need to get that deck back working(Not eating BASF standard tapes and recording without drops) When playing the BX-2 recorded part, both channels sound great, so I'm not sure azimuth has something to do with the "sutter-like" sound, since the play and rec head are on the same block in the CD-330. It sounds like I have to do some more repair on every decks I have... Now that brings me to what I'd like to know, is there a place where I can get affordable pinch rollers for my BX-2? (I did not try the silver one, it has drive torque problems, but I know that ESL has not-too-expensive idlers) Also, for the black BX-2, there are intermittent drops. I heard it should be caused by orange caps. Which ones are in the record circuit? (When I listen thru line outputs when I record, there are no drops, so it's not in the balance/volume section, and playback is unaffected.) From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 03:16:09 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:16:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <536865.56930.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <228930.23078.qm@web50006.mail.yahoo.com> I have not used the SKC tapes but I think that I saw the type IV was going for 7.50 or so. and I really appreciate the info. on this subject especially the ones that a fortunate to own such decks as the 1000 zxls and 700's, dragons,CR7. I am aspiring to get a CR-7 one of these day's but it is nice hear form you good people at naktalk on the tapes that i should feed my deck. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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Try moving it a bit while hitting the play button. This motor can be rebuilt without much trouble. SJ sam's mail wrote: Hi, I just started to unwrap my old sorely missed mr-1. Been in the closet for 2 years, calling for attention. This is the first nak I've been into with such a birdnest of cables. So, I figured I'd need all the help I could muster. Here's a list of current known issues. No rec/play, ff,rw functions. Reel motor engages left reel for approx 1sec. at power up, brakes stay engaged. Stop lamp turns off for approx 2sec when ff or rw is depressed during which a short pulse is applied to the reel motor.Then the stop lamp turns back on. This produces only a small bump in motor movement, brakes stay engaged, motor sounds strained. When play button is depressed stop lamp stays lit. Appears to have a power/logic problem feeding the motor that disengages the reel brakes and engages the heads. Voltmeter reading at this motor shows .02 volts when the play function is depressed. This is with the motor still connected. Have yet to desolder it. Engaging the pause function causes the stop lamp to go out and the pause lamp to light, for about 3 sec. At which point it reverts to the resting stop position. Record function produces the same result. All belts have been renewed. Any ideas on what troubleshooting direction to proceed with? Thanks in advance!! Sam ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 03:35:08 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:35:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <904411.96099.qm@web50004.mail.yahoo.com> Graham I was just trying to get some feedback from some one that knows alot more about than i do like yourself. Graham Nelson wrote: It's a very subjective judgement, Russ. Some of us may feel the metals are the best but the type 2 tapes are good enough for most recordings except perhaps for those special dubs ... I would suggest you invest your money in one of each from the same manufacturer and hear them for yourself - make up your own mind, don't rely upon the subjective opinions of others. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: 03 March 2007 21:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 03:59:24 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:59:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <328385.61689.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Russ, Most importantly, the type of tape you choose should fit comfortably with your muscial tastes. So try a few and see which feels right to your ears. You may also want to vary differing tape types for various genres of music as I do sometimes. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Russ Seals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 10:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes I have not used the SKC tapes but I think that I saw the type IV was going for 7.50 or so. and I really appreciate the info. on this subject especially the ones that a fortunate to own such decks as the 1000 zxls and 700's, dragons,CR7. I am aspiring to get a CR-7 one of these day's but it is nice hear form you good people at naktalk on the tapes that i should feed my deck. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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It has a metal formulation in it but >they call it a Type II tape anyway. Behaves just like metals. I got mine >for $3 a pop. > >If anything this baby will command $4-8 and is worth every penny of it >compared to the $15-infinity priced metals. > >Just MHO. > >Ram > >Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk >people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or >do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay >because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. >Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons >and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . > >Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure >exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I >go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up >quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it >is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape >condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on >my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be >stable in setup. Any thoughts? > Bill Shenefelt >http://sheneskillies.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! 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Name: text5.txt URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 06:03:59 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:03:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 In-Reply-To: <20070305022950.97166.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1cc47db60703040949v47bce09cy8d119a2856f7df76@mail.gmail.com> <20070305022950.97166.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1cc47db60703042103s7de2c30arfbcc8bd6f7645950@mail.gmail.com> Sweet, does it involve replacement parts(brushes,etc.)? Where do I source the parts? Thanks, Sam On 3/4/07, Scott Johnson wrote: > > Sounds like a bad mode motor. The one on the top of the mechanism with > the worm gear on the end. Try moving it a bit while hitting the play > button. > > This motor can be rebuilt without much trouble. > > SJ > > *sam's mail * wrote: > > Hi, > > I just started to unwrap my old sorely missed mr-1. Been in the closet for > 2 years, calling for attention. This is the first nak I've been into with > such a birdnest of cables. So, I figured I'd need all the help I could > muster. Here's a list of current known issues. No rec/play, ff,rw functions. > Reel motor engages left reel for approx 1sec. at power up, brakes stay > engaged. Stop lamp turns off for approx 2sec when ff or rw is depressed > during which a short pulse is applied to the reel motor.Then the stop lamp > turns back on. This produces only a small bump in motor movement, brakes > stay engaged, motor sounds strained. When play button is depressed stop lamp > stays lit. Appears to have a power/logic problem feeding the motor that > disengages the reel brakes and engages the heads. Voltmeter reading at this > motor shows .02 volts when the play function is depressed. This is with the > motor still connected. Have yet to desolder it. Engaging the pause function > causes the stop lamp to go out and the pause lamp to light, for about 3 sec. > At which point it reverts to the resting stop position. Record function > produces the same result. All belts have been renewed. Any ideas on what > troubleshooting direction to proceed with? > > Thanks in advance!! > Sam > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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With my total amount of near 40 Fuji Zll 90 minutes cassettes + a box of 100 minutes acquired during late 90 Maxell XLll-S...believe me till i will pass away from this lovely earth this quantity suffices my needs!. Peace,ALEX! Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:16:09 -0800From: r1seals at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] metal TapesTo: naktalk at naks.comI have not used the SKC tapes but I think that I saw the type IV was going for 7.50 or so. and I really appreciate the info. on this subject especially the ones that a fortunate to own such decks as the 1000 zxls and 700's, dragons,CR7. I am aspiring to get a CR-7 one of these day's but it is nice hear form you good people at naktalk on the tapes that i should feed my deck. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes.Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them .Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debatein the Yahoo! 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Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 4:23:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] What is "Dragon 15K setup"? P { margin:0px; padding:0px;} body { FONT-SIZE:10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Hello Rich, As I own a Dragon i will explain you, with my NOT so well English language! Hoping that you will comprehend my explanation!? For get the "Best Recording Results"...with ALL kind of tape formula, in any of type Series 1 (Normal), Series 2 (Chrome & derivations), & Series 4 (Metal)...for so...when "Level" (400Hz) is pressed you "Configure' the Electronics to the "Sensitive" of your selected cassette tape, after that you must configure also the "Bias" (15KHz)...which really I'm NOT so sure what do to your specific selected cassette tape, maybe another member in this forum will explicate you 100% right. Sorry Rich for 1/2 account. Peace, Alex! From: rich_121 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:22:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] What is "Dragon 15K setup"? Just curious? Rick Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's the nature of HUMANS... sometimes topics drift off into other areas. -marc ------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 13:38:31 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:38:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT posting Message-ID: <518b7b10703050438l1385ef52sa8be5aabde9943a7@mail.gmail.com> Marc, There are two issues: 1. The content of a thread tends to drift so far off the original subject line that you have to read the actual message in order to determine whether to delete or keep. But this is not what wrote I about - I specifically referred to a couple of threads which were never on topic, so they should never have been started on Naktalk in the first place. 2. If Wouter went to the trouble of setting up a separate mailing list within Naks.com specifically for non-Nak subjects "can't you simply post there " ? I am not judging the quality of the content of these messages, just their place within the forum. Wouter is very lenient in (non)-moderating the list and we all dearly love him for having us in the first place. I am sorry if someone feels I am being a***lly retentive, but I get over 300 emails a day (not counting the spam) so I appreciate some order in the lists where I participate I will not be raising this issue again, it should not be taking up so much space on the list. George On 3/5/07, DM2 wrote: > I hate to be an @$$, but can you simply hit delete? > > There are many topics here I don't care to read and all I do is hit that > little box up on my outlook toolbar that says "delete" and BAM! It's gone... > never to be read by my eyes again. This is some good info that's coming out > of this topic. All forums get off topic at one time or another (just like im > doing!). That's the nature of HUMANS... sometimes topics drift off into > other areas. > > -marc > > > ------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Mar 5 14:05:24 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:05:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: On the questions posed hitherto - Metal tapes are a valid option if you want the very specific and identifiable sonic signature that they provide. SKC ZX Metal Technology tapes are an easy match for mainstream metals from any other firm, and provide smooth trouble-free mechanisms with no concerning shell orginated modulation noise. Sensitivity, bias noise, MOL and SAT figures are all within the target range for decent type IV, so there's absolutely no technical reason to hold the view that they are in any way inferior to other type IVs (apart from the super-metals). Heritage-wise, they are clones of Sony Metal-ES as can be seen from the shells, the sound etc. SKC QX, also long discontinued, equally was a clone of Sony UCX-S. Sony discontinued UCX and UCX-S in mid '89 in favour of UX and UX-S which were revised formula using uniaxial particles. (Niche types were UX Turbo, UX-ES and UX-Pro). Residual tape stock and design were passed onto SKC. The SKC branding enabled them to gain greater market share simply through brand differentiation. Sony remains sole owner of SKM (Media) in Seoul. Many users of metals have the highest regard for Sony Metal-ES. They fact that they are not built from china, steel or rubber jackets filled with lead shot should not deter you!! As long as your deck mechanism is good - and a Nakamichi double capstan transport is more than built for the task of containing resonance, scrape flutter and transport originated modulation noise, then SKC ZX will give you a perfectly fulfilling experience of what metal tapes can do. Some type IIs can sport a greater dynamic range than metals - such as the early 1980s BASF natural chromes, Scotch XS-II and TDK SA-X as examples. They get this by virtue of a lower noise floor than metals. However, they do not sound like metals - they still lack the sheer potency of metal throughout the spectrum. And Russ!! Graham's suggestion is valid (because we're all different) - just try one and see for yourself. But don't blame us if you get hooked!! Cheers - Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/5/2007 4:59:24 AM >>> Russ, Most importantly, the type of tape you choose should fit comfortably with your muscial tastes. So try a few and see which feels right to your ears. You may also want to vary differing tape types for various genres of music as I do sometimes. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Russ Seals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 10:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes I have not used the SKC tapes but I think that I saw the type IV was going for 7.50 or so. and I really appreciate the info. on this subject especially the ones that a fortunate to own such decks as the 1000 zxls and 700's, dragons,CR7. I am aspiring to get a CR-7 one of these day's but it is nice hear form you good people at naktalk on the tapes that i should feed my deck. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Food fight? 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From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 5 14:27:46 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:27:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] OT posting In-Reply-To: <518b7b10703050438l1385ef52sa8be5aabde9943a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10703050438l1385ef52sa8be5aabde9943a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12297.212.78.164.66.1173101266.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Naktalk mainly is for talk about Nakamichi cassette decks, at least that's what it should have said when you subscribed ;-) For any off-topic audio posts audiotalk has been there for years but it still is not used a lot for off-topic Naktalk posts. Both lists are non-moderated like they were always. I have been moderating the list for a while but this takes a lot of time, you simply have to read everything because simply allowing a thread on it's title can still cause many off-topic posts for reasons George mentioned. Also moderating is not a nice job since it cause angry naktalkers "Why has my posting been denied"... so i've stopped doing this. The only thing is if everyone goes by the simple rules, naktalk for posts about Nakamichi cassette decks and what is related to it (...) and other audio related posts on audiotalk. Wouter > Marc, > > There are two issues: > > 1. The content of a thread tends to drift so far off the original > subject line that you have to read the actual message in order to > determine whether to delete or keep. But this is not what wrote I > about - I specifically referred to a couple of threads which were > never on topic, so they should never have been started on Naktalk in > the first place. > > 2. If Wouter went to the trouble of setting up a separate mailing list > within Naks.com specifically for non-Nak subjects "can't you simply > post there " ? > > I am not judging the quality of the content of these messages, just > their place within the forum. > > Wouter is very lenient in (non)-moderating the list and we all dearly > love him for having us in the first place. I am sorry if someone feels > I am being a***lly retentive, but I get over 300 emails a day (not > counting the spam) so I appreciate some order in the lists where I > participate > > I will not be raising this issue again, it should not be taking up so > much space on the list. > > George > > On 3/5/07, DM2 wrote: >> I hate to be an @$$, but can you simply hit delete? >> >> There are many topics here I don't care to read and all I do is hit that >> little box up on my outlook toolbar that says "delete" and BAM! It's >> gone... >> never to be read by my eyes again. This is some good info that's coming >> out >> of this topic. All forums get off topic at one time or another (just >> like im >> doing!). That's the nature of HUMANS... sometimes topics drift off into >> other areas. >> >> -marc >> From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 14:28:31 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 05:28:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070305132831.24184.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have had to adjust azimuth between sides on every tape I ve used...including the might ma-xg. Just refuting the fact the there are great differences between old and new SA cassettes.( The older ones cosmetically looked much better, I agree) Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Bala, Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound colored. SA is good evne now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Sensitivity, bias noise, MOL and SAT figures are all within the target range for decent type IV, so there's absolutely no technical reason to hold the view that they are in any way inferior to other type IVs (apart from the super-metals). Heritage-wise, they are clones of Sony Metal-ES as can be seen from the shells, the sound etc. SKC QX, also long discontinued, equally was a clone of Sony UCX-S. Sony discontinued UCX and UCX-S in mid '89 in favour of UX and UX-S which were revised formula using uniaxial particles. (Niche types were UX Turbo, UX-ES and UX-Pro). Residual tape stock and design were passed onto SKC. The SKC branding enabled them to gain greater market share simply through brand differentiation. Sony remains sole owner of SKM (Media) in Seoul. Many users of metals have the highest regard for Sony Metal-ES. They fact that they are not built from china, steel or rubber jackets filled with lead shot should not deter you!! As long as your deck mechanism is good - and a Nakamichi double capstan transport is more than built for the task of containing resonance, scrape flutter and transport originated modulation noise, then SKC ZX will give you a perfectly fulfilling experience of what metal tapes can do. Some type IIs can sport a greater dynamic range than metals - such as the early 1980s BASF natural chromes, Scotch XS-II and TDK SA-X as examples. They get this by virtue of a lower noise floor than metals. However, they do not sound like metals - they still lack the sheer potency of metal throughout the spectrum. And Russ!! Graham's suggestion is valid (because we're all different) - just try one and see for yourself. But don't blame us if you get hooked!! Cheers - Marc >>> bg3009 at yahoo.com 3/5/2007 4:59:24 AM >>> Russ, Most importantly, the type of tape you choose should fit comfortably with your muscial tastes. So try a few and see which feels right to your ears. You may also want to vary differing tape types for various genres of music as I do sometimes. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Russ Seals To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 10:16:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes I have not used the SKC tapes but I think that I saw the type IV was going for 7.50 or so. and I really appreciate the info. on this subject especially the ones that a fortunate to own such decks as the 1000 zxls and 700's, dragons,CR7. I am aspiring to get a CR-7 one of these day's but it is nice hear form you good people at naktalk on the tapes that i should feed my deck. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala Russ Seals wrote: I was just wondering what the naktalk people think of metal tapes, are they better than say the type 2 tapes or do you not see a need to buy these ridicules high price things on e-bay because you get the equivalent from the type 2 tapes. Let me here from some of you people that have the 1000 ZXL's and dragons and CR-7 and the such. And your experience with them . Bill Shenefelt wrote: I'm not sure exactly what is going on so maybe someone can tell me. Sometimes when I go to set the level and bios level on my dragon, the initial signal is up quite a bit, then drops almost over a 10dB range and goes back up like it is not stable. Thought it might be the tape head contact due to a tape condition (new but run a few times playing with setup)but it seems ok on my 682ZX at that tape location. At other times the same tape seems to be stable in setup. Any thoughts? Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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Regards, Mike Edward Noyes wrote: Hi Mike, My dad owned a CAD4 for many years and ran it until the head became so worn that there was audible crosstalk between side 1 and 2 of the tape. While the CAD5 has the honor of being one of the very first decks to incorporate Dolby noise reduction, the overall performance was fairly dubious. I recall that even though I was only 12 or so, I was bothered by the excessive tape hiss and disappointed to find that the top end response only extended to about 12k at best. Certainly, this was no match for even the consumer Ampex open reel I'd gotten from my dad as a hand me down. Yes, the CAD5 was Nak OEM, but it does not perform nearly as well as the Advent 201. Ed LENA WONG wrote: Tom: What do you think about the Harman Kardon CAD5? I believe that it is OEM from Nakamichi. I still have this machine because I like the look. Any chance that this machine can be restored? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for the HK CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. tom brucker At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 5 15:47:57 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:47:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: References: <482881.47468.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070305084757.008622f0@earthlink.net> Graham, If these are screw type shells, try adding a tiny drop of thin oil to both guide rollers in the cassette. If these have friction they can cause tape skew and produce the Side A/B problems. Let us know it this helps. You can also put the new tape into old shells (remember this won't work in the auto tape sensing type of deck.) tom brucker At 12:49 AM 3/5/07 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 00:16 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Bala, Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound colored. SA is good evne now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? Bala . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 5 16:08:48 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:08:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 parts In-Reply-To: <45EB4FC5.4080402@cox.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070305090848.0086bcf0@earthlink.net> Ill let you know. I won the mechanism and the power supply/logic board. tom brucker At 06:01 PM 3/4/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> All - Recently a ZX-7 was parted out on Ebay. I bid on and won the cassette well door. Yesterday in the mail I received someone else's parts from that auction - someone on Naktalk - and I have already notified them that I have their parts and will forward them. I also emailed the Ebay seller to alert him, and to ask if he knows where my cassette door may have been shipped, but I've not received a reply from him. If anyone who won parts in that auction receives my door, I'd appreciate it if they would forward it to me. Thanks Tim Barrett ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 5 16:27:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:27:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Naks or Superscope working In-Reply-To: <45EB79DA.5030205@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070305092720.0086b5e0@earthlink.net> I hope I understand correctly. The Marantz records ok, but stutters in playback? The BX 2 is fine in play, but drops out in record? The Marantz record levels are unequal? You are searching for a BX2 pinch roller. When using mismatched microphones it is normal to have different record levels. Mixing a cardiod and an omni will not be too confusing in a close mic situation, but if you back away 10 feet the image will be weird. I would buy a second AT822 mic and research the ORTF mic placement...it works well in smaller rooms and close miked omnis. Cellos are VERY sensitive to the floor beneath them. If you have a choice of venue, experiment and find the one most appropriate. tom brucker At 09:00 PM 3/4/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone, back again. > >So, I have to record myself playing cello this week. > >I set the microphones up(AT822 omni mike and SM58 pointing in the same >direction in front of me), everything was fine, placed the mixer levels >correctly, and then, >I pressed record on my Superscope CD-330(My only tape recorder that >plays things right). > >The sound is horrible!(Highs are discontinuous, there are holes in the >sound) Tried with an other tape (TDK SA instead of Sony CD-IT), same >thing. I also have to put the left channel twice as loud as the right one. > >On that TDK tape, there was FM radio I recorded with my black BX-2 when >I received it (It was working very well, just came out of service >center), and I saw that I need to get that deck back working(Not eating >BASF standard tapes and recording without drops) > >When playing the BX-2 recorded part, both channels sound great, so I'm >not sure azimuth has something to do with the "sutter-like" sound, since >the play and rec head are on the same block in the CD-330. It sounds >like I have to do some more repair on every decks I have... > >Now that brings me to what I'd like to know, is there a place where I >can get affordable pinch rollers for my BX-2? (I did not try the silver >one, it has drive torque problems, but I know that ESL has >not-too-expensive idlers) Also, for the black BX-2, there are >intermittent drops. I heard it should be caused by orange caps. Which >ones are in the record circuit? (When I listen thru line outputs when I >record, there are no drops, so it's not in the balance/volume section, >and playback is unaffected.) > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 5 16:31:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:31:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tom - do you take up sevicing a MB1 CD player In-Reply-To: <256365.82378.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070305093150.0086bc40@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1267 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 5 16:45:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:45:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A question on Transport In-Reply-To: <564699.71272.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45EB0B94.5020304@snet.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070305094520.00865160@earthlink.net> Your memory is correct. Both the CADs and the Advent used permalloy heads. Remember, Dolby was the first step in making cassette a musical format. tom brucker At 07:31 AM 3/5/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ed: Thanks for your info. I think I might just left the HK CAD5 as it as an antique. At the same time I thought the ADVENT 201 uses a WOLLENSAK transport while the ADVENT 200 uses a NAK transport. I might be wrong. Regards, Mike Edward Noyes wrote: Hi Mike, My dad owned a CAD4 for many years and ran it until the head became so worn that there was audible crosstalk between side 1 and 2 of the tape. While the CAD5 has the honor of being one of the very first decks to incorporate Dolby noise reduction, the overall performance was fairly dubious. I recall that even though I was only 12 or so, I was bothered by the excessive tape hiss and disappointed to find that the top end response only extended to about 12k at best. Certainly, this was no match for even the consumer Ampex open reel I'd gotten from my dad as a hand me down. Yes, the CAD5 was Nak OEM, but it does not perform nearly as well as the Advent 201. Ed LENA WONG wrote: Tom: What do you think about the Harman Kardon CAD5? I believe that it is OEM from Nakamichi. I still have this machine because I like the look. Any chance that this machine can be restored? Thanks. Mike Hi Tech wrote: Good job. The 500 mechanism was Nak's first, as they were OEM for the HK CAD4 and Advent 200, among others. tom brucker At 05:24 PM 2/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that there are four basic flavors of Nak transport: 1. The old behemoth, as in the original 1000 and 700. 2. The smaller old one, as in the 500 and 600 series. 3. The 'classic', as in the 480 / 580 / 680 / LX / RX / ZX / Dragon / ZXL series. 4. The Sankyo, as in BX / CR / DR / MR series. And the 1 and 2 series too, I believe. I am not familiar with all of the CR, DR, RX, and Cassette 1 and 2 derivations, do any of them use the 'classic' transport? Within each group are variations on the theme. Differences in motors and heads, auto-azimuth and such, but the basic transport remains the same. Tim David King wrote: Hi all After reading so many posts about the Nak transports, I am now a little bit confused as to what transport I have. Can someone confirm what the ZX-9 has? Classic or Sankyo? With thanks David King This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bahlberg at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 17:29:19 2007 From: bahlberg at gmail.com (Bob Ahlberg) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:29:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s Message-ID: All, I just joined NakTalk. NakDoc on AK suggested I post a thread I posted last Saturday on AudioKarmait here. I copied, pasted and further edited that AK thread and it follows. Thanks to my old friend (who must have been in "housecleaning mode") I have two functioning Nak 500s. At least functioning to the extent the playback works. I haven't tried to record yet. One of the Naks has walnut veneer side panels (at least I think it is walnut) with only a small area of missing veneer on one panel. The other one has black side panels (that are probably white but painted black) had no rubber feet (I've since added some hardware store plastic feet) and no on/off switch. It is permanently powered/on and is in slightly worse cosmetic condition. Both are missing the "Memory" button and, unfortunately, have a slight "burr" or ridge when you cross the head vertically with a toothpick (Thanks NakDoc for the diagnostic procedure). Interestingly, the walnut one is a "Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck" with a "SuperHead Crystalloy" badge. The black one is a "Nakamichi 500 Dual-Tracer" with a "Focused Gap Super Permalloy" badge. I have no idea whether or how these are different. I have played some tapes Saturday after cleaning the heads and capstan and they both sound remarkably good in my utility room office. Much better highs than I remember cassettes providing. After a bit of warble on the black one at first, its speed has stabilized. I do need to get some Deoxit 5 for the sliders. My 300 or so cassette tapes are at least 10 years old and were all recorded on my Sony WM-D6 using Maxell XL II, XL II S or MX or TDK SA or SA-X. Since I don't have a manual for the Naks, I presume I use the EX and 70 settings for this type of tape on the Naks. If I can figure out how to post some pics, I'll do so later. If anyone has any info on these decks and particularly how they are different, I'd love to hear from you. I have googled them a bit but only basic info comes up. Thanks. Bob -- Bob Ahlberg 3530 Carol Lane Northbrook, Illinois 60062 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 18:05:55 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:05:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 620/switch boxes/Ebay/test gauges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <701744.99760.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know the tape selector switch is a slightly old topic and a little OT, but, I'm going to add my comments anyway. When I bought the Quadim real time tape duplication system (using 120 Nak MR-1's) it came with an impressive array of custom boards to handle switching. At the top of each rack of 12 decks was a distribution amps (two Aphex 124's) to drive the record in into the decks and a custom computer controlled relay matrix that would switch between the 12 decks in that rack. A final relay matrix would select between the 10 racks. In all it could switch between any of the 120 decks in the system I still have the boards and schematics were included. SJ martin.short at nstarch.com wrote: Nakamichi 610/620: "Herb describes the 620 basic amp as trouble prone. In my experience it is exactly the opposite. I would recommend it and the 420 without hesitation" Tom, totally agree. I have had my 610/620 for 23 years, as the core of main system. NO problems apart from replacing the bulbs on the 610. Great sound and totally reliable!. Switch boxes: Don't laugh, but I use passive 4 way rotary switch boxes to connect up my Nakamichi's. Sourced from Jaycar. They have 'gold plated' !!! connections, and switch cleanly unlike the Dick Smith slide switch equivalent. I use on both play and record circuits, and find no audible degradation to my ears, compared to a direct connection. Thus with the 610, I can connect up to 20 of my Nakamichi's for play back, 4 each on tuner/aux/T1-T3, though I normally keep T1 for my ZX-7... Whilst this arrangement would upset the purist, it is a convenient way of allowing me to use as many of my machines as possible, as usage to stave off any transport seizure issues is paramount for me. Ebay: Agree that most purchases need a bit of work, and as long as that is borne in mind, I haven't been disappointed, caveat emptor etc... I have been 'skinned' twice though, in both cases by what appeared to be second hand dealers with almost perfect feedback% ...you know the story.. the decks never turn up, the seller doesn't reply.. and Ebay doesn't want to know. On the plus side, I think my 'scores' clearly outweigh my loses. My two favourites are 1) my almost mint silver 600: bought as a dead unit for a fair price as a parts unit.. but on arrival found that the cosmetic condition was exceptional, included the cover and even the purchase and service papers.. just needed a good strip and clean, ...now one of my prized decks. 2) I bought an RX202 are couple of years back on the local NZ internet site , supposedly in good condition for good money, but was basically stuffed when received. The 'reverse' mechanism was seriously damaged, switches damaged, and a dead capstan motor.. the seller went to ground of course. I sourced all the parts from B&W but couldn't get it to go properly, so I decided to throw some more good money after bad, and bought an RX202 off Ebay for parts, with the aim of hopefully making one out of two.. but the when the deck arrived, it was basically in excellent condition and useable out of the box apart from being a 120v species. Being the mug that I am, I still had the NZ RX202 dud which owed me too much, so bought yet another supposed parts deck for US$20 off Ebay.. and when it arrived and cleaned up, was found to in even better condition than previous deck!!.. in fact almost as new condition and works perfectly to this day. (Some genuius had been under the hood and unplugged some of the wiring to the reverse mechanism.. that was all that was wrong) I have since 'parted' my NZ deck and used the 240V PS to replace the 120V one in the first deck!! The repaired transport/reverse mechanism from the dud subsequently tested OK, so the fault was somewhere on a PCB.. never mind.. good spares. Test Gauges Once I am fully set up in Sydney in about a month, any local 'Aussies' that have need to try and realign their 'classic' transport decks, would be most welcome to visit and use my alignment gauges, T100, and I have a few of the test tapes. ( please note though, I do not 'loan' out these gauges any longer due to some past issues with return amongst others.. the thanks you receive for trying to help others..) Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorised access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 18:48:25 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:48:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070305084757.008622f0@earthlink.net> References: <482881.47468.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20070305084757.008622f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10703050948i63713492v9c8eb30b54520d87@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately they are of the glued version. I have ranted on European-made TDK cassettes on a couple of other occasions on this forum, please don't let me start again -:). On 3/5/07, Hi Tech wrote: > Graham, > If these are screw type shells, try adding a tiny drop of thin oil to > both guide rollers in the cassette. If these have friction they can cause > tape skew and produce the Side A/B problems. Let us know it this helps. > You can also put the new tape into old shells (remember this won't work > in the auto tape sensing type of deck.) > > tom brucker > > At 12:49 AM 3/5/07 -0000, you wrote: > >>>> > Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as > the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue > is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting > for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, > and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of shanti ramachandran > Sent: 05 March 2007 00:16 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes > > Bala, > Yes Ive had them both and am selling the newer opnes on ebay too for a song. > The tapes are very good on Naks.As good as the 1970s or 80s SA tapes. > > SA-X is a little over high on higher frequencies and does sometimes sound > colored. > > SA is good evne now! > Ram > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > DIV { MARGIN: 0px } > > Personally, I prefer the sound of a Type II as its just more warmer and > relaxed. And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! However, > Type IVs have very good capture characteristics. On a Nak, I have recorded > about to +10dB during live stage performaces. I've had the same > experience with my other decks. However, no matter how good the > performance, it isn't advisable to pay more then what's worth, even for the > best Type IVs. I think Ram has had good value with his cassettes, along > with a few others. I think that the SKCs are reasonably good quality tapes > and are worth. $7-$8 is the limit, but beyond that, its simply not worth it > for cassette.Has anyone compared the newer TDK-SA to the older ones? > > Bala > > om/unlimited/>. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Mar 5 20:11:37 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:11:37 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s References: Message-ID: <01ad01c75f5a$19852500$796f56d2@tec> Hi Bob Definitely use the EX 70 uS settings normally for high bias tapes like SA, but then use the 120 uS if it suits your taste. The SX / EX bias settings are for recording (SX) normal (ie probably cheap and nasty these days only available) or (EX) high bias tape, the 70 / 120 for playback equalisation. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Ahlberg To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s All, I just joined NakTalk. NakDoc on AK suggested I post a thread I posted last Saturday on AudioKarmait here. I copied, pasted and further edited that AK thread and it follows. Thanks to my old friend (who must have been in "housecleaning mode") I have two functioning Nak 500s. At least functioning to the extent the playback works. I haven't tried to record yet. One of the Naks has walnut veneer side panels (at least I think it is walnut) with only a small area of missing veneer on one panel. The other one has black side panels (that are probably white but painted black) had no rubber feet (I've since added some hardware store plastic feet) and no on/off switch. It is permanently powered/on and is in slightly worse cosmetic condition. Both are missing the "Memory" button and, unfortunately, have a slight "burr" or ridge when you cross the head vertically with a toothpick (Thanks NakDoc for the diagnostic procedure). Interestingly, the walnut one is a "Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck" with a "SuperHead Crystalloy" badge. The black one is a "Nakamichi 500 Dual-Tracer" with a "Focused Gap Super Permalloy" badge. I have no idea whether or how these are different. I have played some tapes Saturday after cleaning the heads and capstan and they both sound remarkably good in my utility room office. Much better highs than I remember cassettes providing. After a bit of warble on the black one at first, its speed has stabilized. I do need to get some Deoxit 5 for the sliders. My 300 or so cassette tapes are at least 10 years old and were all recorded on my Sony WM-D6 using Maxell XL II, XL II S or MX or TDK SA or SA-X. Since I don't have a manual for the Naks, I presume I use the EX and 70 settings for this type of tape on the Naks. If I can figure out how to post some pics, I'll do so later. If anyone has any info on these decks and particularly how they are different, I'd love to hear from you. I have googled them a bit but only basic info comes up. Thanks. Bob -- Bob Ahlberg 3530 Carol Lane Northbrook, Illinois 60062 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 4/03/2007 1:58 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Mar 5 20:18:31 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:18:31 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s References: Message-ID: <01b801c75f5b$10298e50$796f56d2@tec> Hi again The TDK MX is a metal tape I think. I do not think it will be possible to re-record on it via the Naks as there is not enough bias current for them, but play back may be possible. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Ahlberg To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s All, I just joined NakTalk. NakDoc on AK suggested I post a thread I posted last Saturday on AudioKarmait here. I copied, pasted and further edited that AK thread and it follows. Thanks to my old friend (who must have been in "housecleaning mode") I have two functioning Nak 500s. At least functioning to the extent the playback works. I haven't tried to record yet. One of the Naks has walnut veneer side panels (at least I think it is walnut) with only a small area of missing veneer on one panel. The other one has black side panels (that are probably white but painted black) had no rubber feet (I've since added some hardware store plastic feet) and no on/off switch. It is permanently powered/on and is in slightly worse cosmetic condition. Both are missing the "Memory" button and, unfortunately, have a slight "burr" or ridge when you cross the head vertically with a toothpick (Thanks NakDoc for the diagnostic procedure). Interestingly, the walnut one is a "Nakamichi 500 2 Head Cassette Deck" with a "SuperHead Crystalloy" badge. The black one is a "Nakamichi 500 Dual-Tracer" with a "Focused Gap Super Permalloy" badge. I have no idea whether or how these are different. I have played some tapes Saturday after cleaning the heads and capstan and they both sound remarkably good in my utility room office. Much better highs than I remember cassettes providing. After a bit of warble on the black one at first, its speed has stabilized. I do need to get some Deoxit 5 for the sliders. My 300 or so cassette tapes are at least 10 years old and were all recorded on my Sony WM-D6 using Maxell XL II, XL II S or MX or TDK SA or SA-X. Since I don't have a manual for the Naks, I presume I use the EX and 70 settings for this type of tape on the Naks. If I can figure out how to post some pics, I'll do so later. If anyone has any info on these decks and particularly how they are different, I'd love to hear from you. I have googled them a bit but only basic info comes up. Thanks. Bob -- Bob Ahlberg 3530 Carol Lane Northbrook, Illinois 60062 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 4/03/2007 1:58 p.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 5 20:04:51 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:04:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <16DF89CD-023C-4481-AB01-772D13B09983@alumni.caltech.edu> > And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! Bala, I'm curious what the reason is you don't wish to (can't) play the metal tapes in your 600--they only need 70us equalization for playback, so in theory they should work, no?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 5 21:01:54 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:01:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s Message-ID: <1DB0B3F0-6F0D-4AE9-BC04-9D8EDD58D543@alumni.caltech.edu> > The SX / EX bias settings are for recording (SX) normal Check your manual; you've got it backwards. EX or EX II are normal bias (Type I) (also Type III, if you had any of those lying around) SX is chrome or chrome equivalent (Type II) ZX (not relevant to this deck) is Type IV. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Mon Mar 5 21:34:10 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:34:10 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s References: <1DB0B3F0-6F0D-4AE9-BC04-9D8EDD58D543@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <01ed01c75f65$a1d9a740$796f56d2@tec> Kimo is right - I tried to remember off the top of my head and got it mixed up. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Not 1, but 2 Nak 500s The SX / EX bias settings are for recording (SX) normal Check your manual; you've got it backwards. EX or EX II are normal bias (Type I) (also Type III, if you had any of those lying around) SX is chrome or chrome equivalent (Type II) ZX (not relevant to this deck) is Type IV. -kby ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 5/03/2007 9:41 a.m. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 6 00:49:08 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:49:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070305084757.008622f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom No, they are not the screw type shells but the glued/welded ones. I don't have the same problem with the (older) screw SA shells. Now, if I could get hold of a few more of those screw shell SA's that would be nice but I'm not really interested in the more recent ones unless, of course, they're dirt cheap!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 05 March 2007 14:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Graham, If these are screw type shells, try adding a tiny drop of thin oil to both guide rollers in the cassette. If these have friction they can cause tape skew and produce the Side A/B problems. Let us know it this helps. You can also put the new tape into old shells (remember this won't work in the auto tape sensing type of deck.) tom brucker From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 6 00:48:59 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:48:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <20070305132831.24184.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting, Ram. Are your new SA's the European ones or from the now defunct N American (?) production runs? I simply don't have this issue of having to adjust the azimuth each side of the tapes with any of my tapes except the new TDK SA's. Others have reported the same problem with the European TDK SA's. One other thing I liked about the old SA's was the screws used to fix the shell's together, which made for much easier access to the tape or leaders inside should need splicing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 13:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I have had to adjust azimuth between sides on every tape I ve used...including the might ma-xg. Just refuting the fact the there are great differences between old and new SA cassettes.( The older ones cosmetically looked much better, I agree) Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 6 00:49:10 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:49:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sound wise, Bala, they seem to be about as good as the old ones, I think. The usual high clarity/accuracy. It's just those shells ... That said, I have a fondness for BASF/EMTEC, so I have many more of these in my back up stock than TDK SA's ... in fact, I've run out of the SA's. I have a few SA-X's left but the bulk of my spares are EMTEC/BASF and some TDK MA-X. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 05 March 2007 01:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Hi Gra, I have some stock of old Japanese SA's which I feel are great. Neither they, nor my TDK-MAXGs have the azimuth issue either. So if the newer ones are having this problem, its an issue. But the shell aside, how is the tape itself? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 6 00:49:14 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:49:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <518b7b10703050948i63713492v9c8eb30b54520d87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, go on, George! Then any NakTalk newbies will realise it's not just me being horrible about the new TDK SA's! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of george valkov Sent: 05 March 2007 17:48 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Unfortunately they are of the glued version. I have ranted on European-made TDK cassettes on a couple of other occasions on this forum, please don't let me start again -:). From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 01:21:47 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <891807.45786.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One seller in ebay is selling old SA tapes. It costs are about 3-3.5$ a piece including shipping if anybody is interested. Surprizingly - the same tape as nakamichi SX and SX II are pretty good too. Kannan Graham Nelson wrote: Interesting, Ram. Are your new SA's the European ones or from the now defunct N American (?) production runs? I simply don't have this issue of having to adjust the azimuth each side of the tapes with any of my tapes except the new TDK SA's. Others have reported the same problem with the European TDK SA's. One other thing I liked about the old SA's was the screws used to fix the shell's together, which made for much easier access to the tape or leaders inside should need splicing. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 05 March 2007 13:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I have had to adjust azimuth between sides on every tape I ve used...including the might ma-xg. Just refuting the fact the there are great differences between old and new SA cassettes.( The older ones cosmetically looked much better, I agree) Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Personally, I feel the newer (European-made) TDK SA's are not as good as the Japan made originals because of an issue with the shells. This issue is seen by the fact that I have to re-adjust the azimuth recording setting for them on my ZX9 from side A to side B. There should be no difference, and there is none with my BASF, TDK MA-XG, etc, tapes. Gra' Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 01:38:22 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:38:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <26588.32566.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo, Firstly, there is no provisions for ZX (Type IVs) on the 600. And because the tapes were built before 79 when Type IVs tapes came out, the deck must not have beeen 'Metal Ready'. Thus I am afraid of the slightly abrasive nature of the Type IVs wearing down the head. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:04:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! Bala, I'm curious what the reason is you don't wish to (can't) play the metal tapes in your 600--they only need 70us equalization for playback, so in theory they should work, no?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 01:55:40 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:55:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <353046.36645.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I simply have a good feeling when listening to my EMTEC Maxima 900 reels. When it came to reel tapes, I chose the 900 over Maxell XLIs anytime. Since you mentioned it, I'll give the EMTEC cassettes a try before deciding to go ahead to purchase the newer SA. The recent versions of TDK-MA have a dismal shell quality. Unfortunately, my dad had 30 of these tapes into which a shop had transcribed valuable 78rpm recordings. In order to archive them, I had to transplant the reels into a TDK MA-R body. I don't know how many of us remember the MA-Rs. I too feel better about the older shells with screws. The shell halfs are also more rigid.. On the 1000ZXL, it takes a shorter time to do a ABLE calibration, especially azimuth for the older tapes. Quantegy is phasing out all analogue tape products for good. So those good cassettes they made will be soon gone. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 7:49:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Sound wise, Bala, they seem to be about as good as the old ones, I think. The usual high clarity/accuracy. It's just those shells ... That said, I have a fondness for BASF/EMTEC, so I have many more of these in my back up stock than TDK SA's ... in fact, I've run out of the SA's. I have a few SA-X's left but the bulk of my spares are EMTEC/BASF and some TDK MA-X. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 05 March 2007 01:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Hi Gra, I have some stock of old Japanese SA's which I feel are great. Neither they, nor my TDK-MAXGs have the azimuth issue either. So if the newer ones are having this problem, its an issue. But the shell aside, how is the tape itself? Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Mar 6 16:11:05 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:11:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [naktalk) other Equipment Message-ID: <000501c76001$aaf0f3a0$6701a8c0@main> In the few months I have been a user of Naktalk, I have not seen much on other Nak deck associated equipment. I have an old Nak 610 tape switcher/preamp that is my pride and joy. Same shape as the 600 series decks, but unfortunately a silver face as opposed to my black faced Nak 600II. I bought it about 15 years ago from a store where it had been sitting in a back room, brand new, for years. To my surprise, all of the switches and controls were perfect. No noise, no dropouts. Has a nice range of test tones as well as pink noise generator for deck use. Allows mixing of sources from two line inputs as well as 5 unbalanced microphone inputs. I have used it for the tape switching and microphone inputs but never used the phono section. Anyone have a feel for the quality of the phono section? Maybe I'll use it instead of my Apt Holman. I love it for the tape dubbing it provides for my Naks. Never saw one for sale since then. If this unit is in appropriate for this forum, just contact me directly to exchange experiences with this unit. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 6 15:49:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:49:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <26588.32566.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070306084937.00867330@earthlink.net> Metal is not anymore abrasive, IFRC. CRO2 was supposed to be, but the heads were softer back then. You could buy a Sony or Akai ferrite deck for metal playback if you are skeptical. I have a bunch of Sony TC-K700s to sell. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 3/5/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Kimo, Firstly, there is no provisions for ZX (Type IVs) on the 600. And because the tapes were built before 79 when Type IVs tapes came out, the deck must not have beeen 'Metal Ready'. Thus I am afraid of the slightly abrasive nature of the Type IVs wearing down the head. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:04:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! Bala, I'm curious what the reason is you don't wish to (can't) play the metal tapes in your 600--they only need 70us equalization for playback, so in theory they should work, no?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 6 16:45:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:45:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] [naktalk) other Equipment In-Reply-To: <000501c76001$aaf0f3a0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070306094513.0086ecf0@earthlink.net> Bill, Funny you should link these two pieces. The 610 had the best S/N spec of any preamp. There was a wonderful hi end audio show in Atlanta in 1978, called the IHF show. Apt had a room, and as we were an Apt dealer, we went to a presentation. Tom Holman talked at length about his phono preamp (BTW, he did the Advent 300 receiver preamp). On the topic of signal to noise, he demonstrated, using a Nak 610, how specifications do not tell the real story. The Nakamichi had a S/N spec of something like -95dB for its phono section, while the Apt 1 was only -80dB. The standard condition for measurement was to short the phono input, and measure residual noise. This he demonstrated. He then removed the short, and installed simulated phono cartridge source impedance, and reran the measurements. The Nakamichi 610 S/N dropped to -75dB, while the Apt remained at -80dB. The Apt was better in the real world, but worse in the spec-manship world. tom brucker At 10:11 AM 3/6/07 -0500, you wrote: >>>> In the few months I have been a user of Naktalk, I have not seen much on other Nak deck associated equipment. I have an old Nak 610 tape switcher/preamp that is my pride and joy. Same shape as the 600 series decks, but unfortunately a silver face as opposed to my black faced Nak 600II. I bought it about 15 years ago from a store where it had been sitting in a back room, brand new, for years. To my surprise, all of the switches and controls were perfect. No noise, no dropouts. Has a nice range of test tones as well as pink noise generator for deck use. Allows mixing of sources from two line inputs as well as 5 unbalanced microphone inputs. I have used it for the tape switching and microphone inputs but never used the phono section. Anyone have a feel for the quality of the phono section? Maybe I'll use it instead of my Apt Holman. I love it for the tape dubbing it provides for my Naks. Never saw one for sale since then. If this unit is in appropriate for this forum, just contact me directly to exchange experiences with this unit. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 6 19:54:59 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:54:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Is there a resource that can pin point the date of manufacture of nak equipment, perhaps by reference to the serial number? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 6 20:22:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:22:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EDBF7C.5050506@rcn.com> Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Is there a resource that can pin point the date of manufacture of nak > equipment, perhaps by reference to the serial number? > The quarter of manufacture is shown on a small circular sticker on the rear of many decks. -- Ron From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 20:57:29 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:57:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070306195729.27444.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No one that I know of can pinpoint the date of manufacture. You should be able to determine the quarter and the year of manufacture using the little round sticker on the back of almost all Nak equipment. The sticker will have the last two digits of the year in the center and then either 1-2-3, 4-5-6, 7-8-9 or 10-11-12 curved around the year. This is the month or range of months in which the unit was made. If you deck does not have this sticker then you might be able to compare your decks S/N to others register on Naks.com. Got to www.naks.com and select register along the left side. SJ Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Is there a resource that can pin point the date of manufacture of nak equipment, perhaps by reference to the serial number? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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I have a bunch of Sony TC-K700s to sell. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 3/5/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Kimo, Firstly, there is no provisions for ZX (Type IVs) on the 600. And because the tapes were built before 79 when Type IVs tapes came out, the deck must not have beeen 'Metal Ready'. Thus I am afraid of the slightly abrasive nature of the Type IVs wearing down the head. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:04:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! Bala, I'm curious what the reason is you don't wish to (can't) play the metal tapes in your 600--they only need 70us equalization for playback, so in theory they should work, no?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwhipple at charter.net Wed Mar 7 15:09:23 2007 From: mwhipple at charter.net (Matt Whipple) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 9:09:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Serial Numbers Message-ID: <1880850967.1173276563428.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> I registered my Dragon a few years ago on the naks.com site and am trying to figure out where my serial number fits to try to determine year of mfg because my unit does not have anything to indicate quarter or year of mfg. Does anyone know how to access the list of serial numbers? Thanks, Matt From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 7 15:41:17 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:41:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: <1880850967.1173276563428.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> References: <1880850967.1173276563428.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Message-ID: <13122.212.78.164.66.1173278477.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> http://www.naks.com/register/view.html > I registered my Dragon a few years ago on the naks.com site and am trying > to figure out where my serial number fits to try to determine year of mfg > because my unit does not have anything to indicate quarter or year of mfg. > > Does anyone know how to access the list of serial numbers? > > Thanks, > Matt From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Mar 7 15:43:55 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:13:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: metal Tapes References: <200703050300.l2530i6Y012471@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00a801c760c7$0a675110$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi To all These are my personal observations regarding recording to tapes : 1) Normal Bias tapes (TDK D90, Sony HF90) : Slight drop in record levels ... can record upto +4db .. but saturation is low and you can make this out clearly when switching monitor from tape to source. 2) CRO2 (TDK SAX60/90, Maxell XLS-II) Maintains record levels upto +6-7 db and very good saturation .. virtually no perceptible difference when switching monitor from source to tape etc 3) Metal (TDK MA 90, 110) Levels upto +10db slightly cold sound but again ... virtually no difference between source and tape signal. Best Soumi From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 7 15:46:31 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:46:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <192627.87127.qm@web39612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070307084631.00868a60@earthlink.net> Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker At 03:16 PM 3/6/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Not the ferrites! I do not sit too comfortably with the sound of ferrite heads, especially the GX glass heads. But it was generally not advised to play/record using metals on decks which were not metal ready, such as the 600s and the decks before it. Why was that so? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 10:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Metal is not anymore abrasive, IFRC. CRO2 was supposed to be, but the heads were softer back then. You could buy a Sony or Akai ferrite deck for metal playback if you are skeptical. I have a bunch of Sony TC-K700s to sell. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 3/5/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Kimo, Firstly, there is no provisions for ZX (Type IVs) on the 600. And because the tapes were built before 79 when Type IVs tapes came out, the deck must not have beeen 'Metal Ready'. Thus I am afraid of the slightly abrasive nature of the Type IVs wearing down the head. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:04:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 16:35:24 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:35:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <716312.61265.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I really do not know..but by recording on a metal tape with a machine not designed to take metals, the life-span of the heads was supposed to reduce significantly. I've never worn out cassette tape heads yet, only reel to reel heads. That too mainly due to tape wear and not damage..so I really would welcome some myth busting on this one. And no..this happened a few years ago..the only new cassette deck I ever bought was the DR10. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:46:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker At 03:16 PM 3/6/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Not the ferrites! I do not sit too comfortably with the sound of ferrite heads, especially the GX glass heads. But it was generally not advised to play/record using metals on decks which were not metal ready, such as the 600s and the decks before it. Why was that so? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 10:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Metal is not anymore abrasive, IFRC. CRO2 was supposed to be, but the heads were softer back then. You could buy a Sony or Akai ferrite deck for metal playback if you are skeptical. I have a bunch of Sony TC-K700s to sell. tom brucker At 04:38 PM 3/5/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Kimo, Firstly, there is no provisions for ZX (Type IVs) on the 600. And because the tapes were built before 79 when Type IVs tapes came out, the deck must not have beeen 'Metal Ready'. Thus I am afraid of the slightly abrasive nature of the Type IVs wearing down the head. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:04:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes And also so that I can play most of my tapes on my 600! Bala, I'm curious what the reason is you don't wish to (can't) play the metal tapes in your 600--they only need 70us equalization for playback, so in theory they should work, no?-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! <http://www.nak s.com/register>http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>http://www.naks.com/mailman /li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Now that's room service! <http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw-- >Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 7 17:16:49 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <00a801c760c7$0a675110$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <988096.78073.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Soumi, I have noticed that TDK "D" is only good for portable use. They don't compare to type 1 Maxell XL1 which I wish I could find. Type 1's sound the best in my car (1991 corvette). Bob soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi To all These are my personal observations regarding recording to tapes : 1) Normal Bias tapes (TDK D90, Sony HF90) : Slight drop in record levels ... can record upto +4db .. but saturation is low and you can make this out clearly when switching monitor from tape to source. 2) CRO2 (TDK SAX60/90, Maxell XLS-II) Maintains record levels upto +6-7 db and very good saturation .. virtually no perceptible difference when switching monitor from source to tape etc 3) Metal (TDK MA 90, 110) Levels upto +10db slightly cold sound but again ... virtually no difference between source and tape signal. Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 19:59:32 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:59:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <00a801c760c7$0a675110$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <578663.41853.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I beg to differ as seen on my ZX9. When properly azimuth adjusted and calibrated, my ZX9 shows no drop on TDK-D, Sa or MA and their X variants at all. This is my repeated experience over the years. Same with ZX7 and Cr7. The Sonys also do the same when correctly calibrated after proper azimuth tune. On the Dr-2 there is always a drop off as there is no calibration means. Therefore,I use such decks for primarily playback and not for recording and would recommend everyone else do too, if you have good recording decks( ZX7, ZX9 and CR7 and the rare ZXLs-1000 or 700s)) I have to admit that the Dragon on the other hand plays back crap with great fidelity like the CR7 due to playback azimuth. Those are my 2 cents on this topic. ram soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi To all These are my personal observations regarding recording to tapes : 1) Normal Bias tapes (TDK D90, Sony HF90) : Slight drop in record levels ... can record upto +4db .. but saturation is low and you can make this out clearly when switching monitor from tape to source. 2) CRO2 (TDK SAX60/90, Maxell XLS-II) Maintains record levels upto +6-7 db and very good saturation .. virtually no perceptible difference when switching monitor from source to tape etc 3) Metal (TDK MA 90, 110) Levels upto +10db slightly cold sound but again ... virtually no difference between source and tape signal. Best Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 20:02:03 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <988096.78073.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <985755.24671.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maxell XL I is comparable to TDKs AD tapes. Virtually same. Maxells UD is comparable to TDK D, both dollar fr dollar and quality for quality. TDK-D can not be compared to the XLI maxells as they are very different formulations like the Ad and D differ. Thanks Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Soumi, I have noticed that TDK "D" is only good for portable use. They don't compare to type 1 Maxell XL1 which I wish I could find. Type 1's sound the best in my car (1991 corvette). Bob soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi To all These are my personal observations regarding recording to tapes : 1) Normal Bias tapes (TDK D90, Sony HF90) : Slight drop in record levels ... can record upto +4db .. but saturation is low and you can make this out clearly when switching monitor from tape to source. 2) CRO2 (TDK SAX60/90, Maxell XLS-II) Maintains record levels upto +6-7 db and very good saturation .. virtually no perceptible difference when switching monitor from source to tape etc 3) Metal (TDK MA 90, 110) Levels upto +10db slightly cold sound but again ... virtually no difference between source and tape signal. 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URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Wed Mar 7 20:09:46 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:09:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box to Dan Moy RE: isolator gadget In-Reply-To: <20070302142107.5669D9200A@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200703071911.l27JA6gf032075@zxe.naks.com> Dan, The one in the link I am going to give a try. Did you insert it between the cable line and the box? The wording on the page suggests you insert it between the cable line and the TV? Thank you for any info... Marc. > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of dan moy > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > > > I had the same problem, i purchased an ground isolator and the system was > completely quite after it was installed here is a reference: > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?AID=1457539&PID=440939&Partnum > ber=180-075+&DID=7 > > Dan > > > > --- On Fri 03/02, Bob Naylor < wotbob at sbcglobal.net > wrote: > From: Bob Naylor [mailto: wotbob at sbcglobal.net] > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 05:23:56 -0800 (PST) > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A weird hum/comcast box > > Marc, Question about your comcast box. I have the same thing but have it > hooked directly to the stereo. I do not get the sound quality of CD's and > less quality than FM stereo. I am not happy with it. What have you > noticed? Any one else? Bob DM2 > wrote: Im glad you guys brought this up...I have > the > sound from my Motorola (Comcast) cable box via RCA outs goinginto the > computer sound card (7.1) using a 3.5mm plug. I get this hum also.I have > multiple devices that have the 3rd ground plug... how would you knowwhich > device to ground? Do you have to unplug each device? I have a LOT > ofequipment.........Marc.> -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk- > bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> Of Ron> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:24 PM> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A weird hum> > Try the following:> > Locate > the device in your A/V system that has a> 3 prong plug. Connect a single > ground wire between> the chassis of that device and the computer chassis.> > Lift the ground off the computer power cable (or> just plug it in through > an adapter that does this).> > This should > eliminate any hum due to ground loops.> > -- Ron> > > > Beckner, Derrick > wrote:> > This is tangentially Nak related. :)> > Been trying to run my > computer to my stereo via RCA but get what sounds> > like a ground hum > through the speakers.> >> > -- The cable is long, 25 ft.> > -- The hum is > not present using shorter cables to other devices.> > -- The hum is > present running it into both my pre amp and the Nak input.> > -- The hum > is not present running my MP3 player via the 25 foot cable.> > -- Muting > the computer's output does not alleviate the hum.> > -- Every output on > the computer exhibits the same hum on the 25 foot> > cable, but not any > other cable or device I have used, including of> > course the speakers or > headphones I use on the computer.> >> > Any ideas?> >> > I've > though about getting a wireless device, Logitech makes a very cool> > > looking one, but they are over $200. Rather not go that expensive.> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========-------------------- > -------------------------------------=================-------------------- > -------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register========-------------------------------------- > -------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your > account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========--------------------- > ------------------------------------=================--------------------- > ------------------------------------========= Register your Nak > today! http://www.naks.com/register========------------------------------- > --------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------- > -----------------------------------========= > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Mar 7 22:11:38 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:11:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070307084631.00868a60@earthlink.net> Message-ID: As I recall, it used to be claimed that that erase heads of the older decks were not capable of dubbing over metal tapes, as you say Tom, but it was also claimed in some shops I vested that the metal tapes would wear down the softer heads ... of course, if the blighters wanted to sell a new deck they would have said that, wouldn't they! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 07 March 2007 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker From Benstratford at aol.com Wed Mar 7 23:02:05 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:02:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Thu Mar 8 01:15:20 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:15:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk) other Equipment Nak 610 In-Reply-To: <200703071101.l27B08EO027133@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: As an avid fan of the Nakamichi 610 preamp, from my point of view the phono stage is first class, better than anything else I have including a McLaren 201phono stage ( NZer's would be familiar with this).and the fact that you get two is a bonus. Have never encountered a 'Holman', so cannot comment. The best thing to do is to compare the two, and let us know what you think.. I would be curious for one. One the subject of 600/600II's and metal tape, I have no issues with metal playback on these machines. Dredging my memory banks, and the techo's can launch in here, I read somewhere back in the dim dark past at the launch of metal tapes, that they were not recommended for older non-metal machines due to the high recording level possible would lead to head saturation in these older machines.( based on the assumption that everyone was going to record to a higher on these tapes) Probably wouldn't apply to quality machines like the 600's, so is this 100% BS or is there something to it? Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorised access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 06:56:28 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Metal Tapes / DR 10 Message-ID: <477344.52424.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, It seems we have the same decks. The 600 and the DR 10. What are your impressions of the two and have you been able compare the DR 10 against some of the older classics ie Dragon, 1000, etc? Fred in CT --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 07:01:20 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:01:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <891629.95412.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True. But Type IIs and Type IVs are said to have similiar abrasive properties aren't they? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:11:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes As I recall, it used to be claimed that that erase heads of the older decks were not capable of dubbing over metal tapes, as you say Tom, but it was also claimed in some shops I vested that the metal tapes would wear down the softer heads ... of course, if the blighters wanted to sell a new deck they would have said that, wouldn't they! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 07 March 2007 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Mar 8 09:40:16 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk) other Equipment Nak 610 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070308084016.36050.qmail@web86515.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, just snapping out of Lurk mode for a moment One of the other reasons they were not generally recommended was that they were very very difficult to erase, especially at low frequencies. This was very well sorted with the 1000zxl and the "Parametric Erasure concept" (seperate Bias and Erase frequencies, 105kHz and 52.5kHz respectively) leading to a typical residual signal 10-db further down over previous nak circuits. Also the first time that erase specs were quoted at 100hz. Another reason why the 1000ZXL can sound the most musically satisfying of all the Nak decks, perhaps!!!! Time to get back in my box.......... Terry. martin.short at nstarch.com wrote: As an avid fan of the Nakamichi 610 preamp, from my point of view the phono stage is first class, better than anything else I have including a McLaren 201phono stage ( NZer's would be familiar with this).and the fact that you get two is a bonus. Have never encountered a 'Holman', so cannot comment. The best thing to do is to compare the two, and let us know what you think.. I would be curious for one. One the subject of 600/600II's and metal tape, I have no issues with metal playback on these machines. Dredging my memory banks, and the techo's can launch in here, I read somewhere back in the dim dark past at the launch of metal tapes, that they were not recommended for older non-metal machines due to the high recording level possible would lead to head saturation in these older machines.( based on the assumption that everyone was going to record to a higher on these tapes) Probably wouldn't apply to quality machines like the 600's, so is this 100% BS or is there something to it? Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorised access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. 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Compared to pictures, when you see the real thing, it has a more solid and surreal look. Check out the meters and how they look here: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/photo/294928803348072927/3 Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:02:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 8 15:26:52 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:26:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: <598442.50378.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070308082652.007a9560@earthlink.net> The FL tube used is the same as in the T100 test unit, however a blue green mask has been placed over it to change its color. I doubt there would have been variations on this. I see what looks like a dual scale on the 1000ZXL meter. What is the purpose of the higher scale? tom brucker At 04:11 AM 3/8/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ben, I have two version of 1000ZXLs. I am sure there may have been more variations then two. However, the meters use 56 segments for both versions. Compared to pictures, when you see the real thing, it has a more solid and surreal look. Check out the meters and how they look here: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/phot o/294928803348072927/3 Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:02:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 16:29:45 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:29:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070308082652.007a9560@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <580093.13617.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is this FL tube spare part avaialable anywhere ? Or like T100 - if the display unit fails , there is no possibility of getting a replacement? Kannan Hi Tech wrote: The FL tube used is the same as in the T100 test unit, however a blue green mask has been placed over it to change its color. I doubt there would have been variations on this. I see what looks like a dual scale on the 1000ZXL meter. What is the purpose of the higher scale? tom brucker At 04:11 AM 3/8/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ben, I have two version of 1000ZXLs. I am sure there may have been more variations then two. However, the meters use 56 segments for both versions. Compared to pictures, when you see the real thing, it has a more solid and surreal look. Check out the meters and how they look here: 348072927/3>http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/phot o/294928803348072927/3 Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:02:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 8 18:28:58 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:28:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 08 March 2007 06:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes True. But Type IIs and Type IVs are said to have similiar abrasive properties aren't they? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:11:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes As I recall, it used to be claimed that that erase heads of the older decks were not capable of dubbing over metal tapes, as you say Tom, but it was also claimed in some shops I vested that the metal tapes would wear down the softer heads ... of course, if the blighters wanted to sell a new deck they would have said that, wouldn't they! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 07 March 2007 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 18:36:45 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: <74014.72422.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom., I don't think so. This is a flourescent tube that was license manufacutred by NEC from Noritake. The tube itself emits the green glow - and uses the same principle as the 'cat's eye' tube of old reel to reel machines. I believe the T100 uses a plasma tube. The meter switch does not change the scale, as does the 680ZX. I've repaired several of these displays and have yet to see one fail - usually its one of those generic CMOS driver ICs. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:26:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers The FL tube used is the same as in the T100 test unit, however a blue green mask has been placed over it to change its color. I doubt there would have been variations on this. I see what looks like a dual scale on the 1000ZXL meter. What is the purpose of the higher scale? tom brucker At 04:11 AM 3/8/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ben, I have two version of 1000ZXLs. I am sure there may have been more variations then two. However, the meters use 56 segments for both versions. Compared to pictures, when you see the real thing, it has a more solid and surreal look. Check out the meters and how they look here: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/phot o/294928803348072927/3 Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:02:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 8 19:30:34 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:30:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c761af$df7c8800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2007 17:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Mar 8 20:05:04 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:05:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender In-Reply-To: <001801c761af$df7c8800$7300a8c0@Shaun> References: <001801c761af$df7c8800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20DF6@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Hmm, I'll have to try that. I have Mitsubishi VCR that is giving me a "Clean Head" error message, and for the life of me I can't find my head cleaner. Hopefully that'll solve it. Kind of sad, I spent a minor fortune on that VCR (S-VHS, hi-fi, VCR+ programming, editing, blah, blah, blah) and now about the only thing it's used for is my wife's exercise tapes. Just like audio cassettes, the format died just as it was hitting it's stride. Now with Tivo, I don't even use it to record anything. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Shaun Montgomery Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:31 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2007 17:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 8 20:19:30 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <001801c761af$df7c8800$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <182944.6739.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All tapes unless ofcourse it sheds its contents on the head - should abrade the head. The one reason why I like Nakamichi dual capstan decks is because of its extremely low force on top of the head. They abrade the least. If you notice 2 head decks like Bx 125 or BX 1/ CR2 etc- the heads wear out over time. Since most cassette decks do not use pad lifter excepting Nak 3 heads, it would definitely cause wear on the head. I think AKAI Glass Xtal heads had the glass coating to prevent this abrasion but not good for record / replay performance! If you use Nak 3 heads ( dual capstan - pressure padless transport), general assumption is that it would perform well over 10,000 hours of use. Kannan Shaun Montgomery wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2007 17:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 8 20:23:06 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:23:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: <74014.72422.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070308132306.0086fc60@earthlink.net> Then it is a different tube. The T100 tube was american made...Rockwell or somebody...I'd have to look it up. tom brucker At 09:36 AM 3/8/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Tom., I don't think so. This is a flourescent tube that was license manufacutred by NEC from Noritake. The tube itself emits the green glow - and uses the same principle as the 'cat's eye' tube of old reel to reel machines. I believe the T100 uses a plasma tube. The meter switch does not change the scale, as does the 680ZX. I've repaired several of these displays and have yet to see one fail - usually its one of those generic CMOS driver ICs. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:26:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers The FL tube used is the same as in the T100 test unit, however a blue green mask has been placed over it to change its color. I doubt there would have been variations on this. I see what looks like a dual scale on the 1000ZXL meter. What is the purpose of the higher scale? tom brucker At 04:11 AM 3/8/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Hi Ben, I have two version of 1000ZXLs. I am sure there may have been more variations then two. However, the meters use 56 segments for both versions. Compared to pictures, when you see the real thing, it has a more solid and surreal look. Check out the meters and how they look here: <http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/photo/294928803 348072927/3>http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bg3009/album/576460762326585762/phot o/294928803348072927/3 Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Benstratford at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:02:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Thanks Ron & Scott, this is a help. The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for this deck. I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with much finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more solid / brighter appearance. Is this just a trick of the photo or were there two types used perhaps on early / later versions? Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! <http://www.nak s.com/register>http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: <http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk>http://www.naks.com/mailman /li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- We won't tell. Get more on <http ://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 >shows you hate to love (and love to hate): <http ://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 >Yahoo! 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Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 8 23:00:22 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:00:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <41975224-078B-4CF8-B646-8AB588C2FC47@alumni.caltech.edu> I thought I'd sent this before, but it seems to have gotten lost in the ether[net]... FWIW, when my 700II was upgraded for metal, I think the only changed the erase, and maybe the record head (I might be able to find the parts bag), plus changing the adjustment pots & stuff for bias on one of EX or SX (my choice--I chose losing SX as I could still play chrome with 70us eq, and would have the 'better' metal for good recordings; type I still being good for average stuff, plus still allowing me type III at the time).-kby From Benstratford at aol.com Thu Mar 8 23:10:02 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:10:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Hi Bala, Thanks to all for your help. There is no round sticker on the back of the deck hence the query, but the meters are exactly like yours. I guess all 1000ZXL's employed the same type even though there may be other differences. The photo in the ad must have been a trick of the lighting or something. Bala, I have a couple of lamps out of the 12V 30 mA variety, would you have any pictures of the correct type to order? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 8 20:08:45 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:08:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers In-Reply-To: <580093.13617.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070308082652.007a9560@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070308130845.0086e4d0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4200 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 8 23:50:02 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:50:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: <83A6E62F-804C-4E0B-BBDA-C6E0EC063525@alumni.caltech.edu> > The reason for the investigation is to find out when my 1000ZXL was > produced, as there appears to be two types of metering employed for > this deck. > I noticed an advert on Bleus's site for the ZXL that showed it with > much > finer segments like the 680 has, although my deck has a more > solid / brighter > appearance. Hmm, I have that brochure and 3 1000zxls (one ltd). I haven't really noticed a significant difference. I'm pretty sure that's an artifact of the photo or the printing As far as I know they all use 56-segment displays--the 680zx uses one with about 40ish segments and the others that use similar tubes (68x machines) use 24 segments--check the Naks link on this (Wouter's) site. > I don't think so. This is a flourescent tube that was license > manufacutred by NEC from Noritake. The tube itself emits the green > glow - > and uses the same principle as the 'cat's eye' tube of old reel to > reel > machines. I believe the T100 uses a plasma tube. The meter switch > does not > change the scale, as does the 680ZX. I've repaired several of these > displays and have yet to see one fail - usually its one of those > generic > CMOS driver ICs. > Bala Having both types of machines in front of me, that would, I would agree with Bala. In addition, all of the deck metering tubes have provision for a "brighter" cursor--used to differentiate peak/hold or peak vs. VU or some similar thing (or the azimuth alignment in the case of the 680zxl). There are many more segments and significantly different ballistics on the T-100. While it is not mechanically driven like an actual meter, it has a much smoother transition as levels change--almost analogue-like. It's also neon-orange which would be pretty hard to turn into bright blue flourescent (or vise-versa) with just a colored screen. Bala will concur (I hope) that the glass of the tubes in the 1000zxl and similar is clear, not tinted.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 8 23:57:02 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:57:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Actually, I looked more closely at the brochure Bleus has on his site. I actually don't have that one; I have other ones. However, I assume you're talking about the picture on page 1 (the cover). That picture definitely has some doctored art work. It's not possible to have all 15 RAMM lights on simultaneously in record mode, as appears to be the case in that picture.-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 8 23:58:49 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:58:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Even more obvious, the tape memory lights show "manual override", but the dolby-B light is on at the same time the noise reduction switch is set to "none."-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 9 00:01:16 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:01:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: <067B360F-EFA7-4718-9DC1-75D08D4EF9A6@alumni.caltech.edu> Also, the meters look like they're recording the built-in test tone (as it's playing off of a tape, but all of the input level controls are zero, so it couldn't be an incoming signal), but the test tone switch is also off.-kby From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Mar 9 00:07:38 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:07:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Date Of Manufacture - Serial Numbers Message-ID: Yes, I noticed some of those odd arrangements Kimo. Must be artistic licence. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 02:16:43 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:16:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: <355603.51104.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This could certainly be true as metal capable decks seemed to command a slight premium at the start of it - 79 or 80'ish? More emphasis was that manufacturers like Aiwa and Technicas ( I believe many others - except Nak) put the words 'Metal', to indicate metal capable. I think this emphasis could have persisted over the years. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 1:28:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes DIV { MARGIN:0px;} I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 08 March 2007 06:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes True. But Type IIs and Type IVs are said to have similiar abrasive properties aren't they? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:11:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes As I recall, it used to be claimed that that erase heads of the older decks were not capable of dubbing over metal tapes, as you say Tom, but it was also claimed in some shops I vested that the metal tapes would wear down the softer heads ... of course, if the blighters wanted to sell a new deck they would have said that, wouldn't they! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 07 March 2007 14:47 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Perhaps a salesman trying to sell a new deck? I do not know what possible problem might occur. As I understand the metal challenge was to build an erase head capable of erasing metal. The R/P heads had to be upgraded a bit to remain distortion free with a couple of dB more level. I suppose a "hot" metal tape might distort a permalloy head??? Any comments? tom brucker ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Expecting? 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URL: From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Mar 9 03:43:44 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:43:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c761f4$c1937750$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> After reading about the Emtec tapes here I have been looking all over for a good source, specifically the Emtec CS-II cassettes and have come up with nothing. Plenty of CE-II cassettes are found on eBay and I found that http://tapeworkstexas.com/ had some 46 min and 100 min CE-II tapes in stock but the CS-II tapes are the ones that seem to be getting all the praise. Does anyone know of a retailer where I could buy some Emtec CS-II tapes? Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:49 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Sound wise, Bala, they seem to be about as good as the old ones, I think. The usual high clarity/accuracy. It's just those shells ... That said, I have a fondness for BASF/EMTEC, so I have many more of these in my back up stock than TDK SA's ... in fact, I've run out of the SA's. I have a few SA-X's left but the bulk of my spares are EMTEC/BASF and some TDK MA-X. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 05 March 2007 01:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Hi Gra, I have some stock of old Japanese SA's which I feel are great. Neither they, nor my TDK-MAXGs have the azimuth issue either. So if the newer ones are having this problem, its an issue. But the shell aside, how is the tape itself? Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham NelsonSent: 08 March 2007 17:29To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 9 08:17:23 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:17:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: Hi Andrew, I will start a search for them. Emtec say they make them, so good should triumph over evil. I'll revert in the next few days. Kind regards - Marc >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 3/9/2007 4:43:44 AM >>> After reading about the Emtec tapes here I have been looking all over for a good source, specifically the Emtec CS-II cassettes and have come up with nothing. Plenty of CE-II cassettes are found on eBay and I found that http://tapeworkstexas.com/ had some 46 min and 100 min CE-II tapes in stock but the CS-II tapes are the ones that seem to be getting all the praise. Does anyone know of a retailer where I could buy some Emtec CS-II tapes? Thanks, Andrew _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:49 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Sound wise, Bala, they seem to be about as good as the old ones, I think. The usual high clarity/accuracy. It's just those shells ... That said, I have a fondness for BASF/EMTEC, so I have many more of these in my back up stock than TDK SA's ... in fact, I've run out of the SA's. I have a few SA-X's left but the bulk of my spares are EMTEC/BASF and some TDK MA-X. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 05 March 2007 01:09 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes Hi Gra, I have some stock of old Japanese SA's which I feel are great. Neither they, nor my TDK-MAXGs have the azimuth issue either. So if the newer ones are having this problem, its an issue. But the shell aside, how is the tape itself? Bala The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 9 08:24:29 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:24:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Message-ID: dgb100 at psu.edu: said: "Just like audio cassettes, the format died just as it was hitting it's stride." Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. Cheers - Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 9 08:27:13 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:27:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: Exactly true Kannan, Of course, note that LX-3 and 480 series also feature padlifters on a two-head block. Great weekend guys - Marc >>> kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com 3/8/2007 9:19:30 PM >>> All tapes unless ofcourse it sheds its contents on the head - should abrade the head. The one reason why I like Nakamichi dual capstan decks is because of its extremely low force on top of the head. They abrade the least. If you notice 2 head decks like Bx 125 or BX 1/ CR2 etc- the heads wear out over time. Since most cassette decks do not use pad lifter excepting Nak 3 heads, it would definitely cause wear on the head. I think AKAI Glass Xtal heads had the glass coating to prevent this abrasion but not good for record / replay performance! If you use Nak 3 heads ( dual capstan - pressure padless transport), general assumption is that it would perform well over 10,000 hours of use. Kannan Shaun Montgomery wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2007 17:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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Cheers Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 09 March 2007 05:14 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Hi Shaun & Gra'. Concerning the use or not of a VCR cassette cleaner, really I disagree a little bit, for me; my common sense teach me that IF you live like me in a "Dusty" area, you MUST...clean the VCR heads...no matter which quality of cassette/brand do you selected to use. I clean each 10 cassettes my Toshiba 6 heads (Stereo) VCR with a Maxell "DRY" cleaner cassette...till today with NO problem at all. Peace, Alex! _____ From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:30:34 +0000 Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2007 17:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' _____ Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! __________ NOD32 2104 (20070308) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 9 10:30:50 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:30:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes Message-ID: Dear Shaun, YES...I'm 100% positively sure! It's NOT the same as in UK...when mostly during the year rain, or near raining...so NO dust...here we have the "Desert Dust"...that penetrates to all the machines, areas etc...! That's makes a HUGE difference! Best wishes,ALEX! From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] metal TapesDate: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:52:45 +0000 Hi Alex, Perhaps your 'dusty' area is different from the rest of us. I have been using my VCR daily for the last seven years and it has never needed the heads cleaning. The picture quality is as good today as it ever was. Cheers Shaun -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: 09 March 2007 05:14To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] metal TapesHi Shaun & Gra'. Concerning the use or not of a VCR cassette cleaner, really I disagree a little bit, for me; my common sense teach me that IF you live like me in a "Dusty" area, you MUST...clean the VCR heads...no matter which quality of cassette/brand do you selected to use. I clean each 10 cassettes my Toshiba 6 heads (Stereo) VCR with a Maxell "DRY" cleaner cassette...till today with NO problem at all. Peace, Alex! From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] metal TapesDate: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:30:34 +0000 Gra' I believe the issue of chrome/metal tape being more abrasive a valid one but no idea to what degree more. The reason I say this because many years ago I read an article about using decent quality video tape on you VCR. The article said that you probably would never need a tape head cleaner if you used a leading brand and the reason he said this was because the leading brands contained a certain about of chrome formulation in them. As a test the article urged that if you have been using cheap video cassettet tape then the next time your VCR started to show the outlput with a fair degree of 'snow' to put in a premium grade tape and see whether that resolved the issue. I did the test, several times in fact, and each time the snowy picture disappeared after less than quarter of an hour of using the premium grade tape. I never used a cheap tape again, either in my VCR or in my audio cassette deck. Shaun -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham NelsonSent: 08 March 2007 17:29To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes I believe so but, as I recall, some retailers seemed to emphasis the issue with Type IVs, presumable to sell Metal capable decks or else because they didn't know any better at the time. (Nor did I!) Gra' Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!__________ NOD32 2104 (20070308) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 9 14:50:14 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:50:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F16616.9060305@rcn.com> Marc Hugo wrote: > dgb100 at psu.edu: said: > > Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and > Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that > "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." True, but misleadingly stated. Old technology reaches its pinnacle not just *before* extinction, but *because* of impeding extinction. What really happens is that when manufacturers of current technology see a new technology come down the pike, they try to compete with it by improving their old stuff -- something they could have (and should have) done a long time before. This is usually too little, too late and fails in the market place. -- Ron > > I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. > > Cheers - Marc From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Mar 9 15:03:24 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:03:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknownsender - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender In-Reply-To: <45F16616.9060305@rcn.com> References: <45F16616.9060305@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20DF9@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> I had three Mitsubishi VCRs that combined lasted approximately forty years and two of the three still work. The other just had a blow fuse (yes, I was surprised to see a fuse in there!) that screwed the audio up, but at that point I didn't really need a third deck so I retired it. I've hear that axiom, and I don't think it is universal necessarily, but with audio tape and VHS it seems like it would have been difficult to squeeze any more performance out of the format. Turntables, while never extinct, certainly didn't make huge improvements in the early 80s and if anything the LPs were even cheaper and flimsier than the early LPs. Now as a niche market you only have super-cheap crap, a few decent mid-price models, then hundreds of tables in the $1,000 - $10,000 range. How many units do think these guys sell at $10,000 a table? Anyway, that's straying off topic.... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknownsender - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Marc Hugo wrote: > dgb100 at psu.edu: said: > > Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and > Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that > "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." True, but misleadingly stated. Old technology reaches its pinnacle not just *before* extinction, but *because* of impeding extinction. What really happens is that when manufacturers of current technology see a new technology come down the pike, they try to compete with it by improving their old stuff -- something they could have (and should have) done a long time before. This is usually too little, too late and fails in the market place. -- Ron > > I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. > > Cheers - Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 9 15:15:58 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:15:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Message-ID: Yup, sounds like Dolby S hey Ron!! - Marc >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 3/9/2007 3:50:14 PM >>> Marc Hugo wrote: > dgb100 at psu.edu: said: > > Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and > Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that > "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." True, but misleadingly stated. Old technology reaches its pinnacle not just *before* extinction, but *because* of impeding extinction. What really happens is that when manufacturers of current technology see a new technology come down the pike, they try to compete with it by improving their old stuff -- something they could have (and should have) done a long time before. This is usually too little, too late and fails in the market place. -- Ron > > I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. > > Cheers - Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Mar 9 15:24:38 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:24:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20DFA@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Dolby S was great. Too bad they never had the brains to put out a modular version to adapt to older decks. I had a Yamaha KX-690 with Dolby S and that thing recorded and played back every bit as good as my CR-5 and Dragon. In fact I'd even say the high end was better than those two. I could kick myself for selling it now since I ended up selling my Dragon a few months later. If anyone knows where to find one, please contact me. I haven't seen another since. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; ra.ah at rcn.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is froman unknown sender - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Yup, sounds like Dolby S hey Ron!! - Marc >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 3/9/2007 3:50:14 PM >>> Marc Hugo wrote: > dgb100 at psu.edu: said: > > Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and > Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that > "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." True, but misleadingly stated. Old technology reaches its pinnacle not just *before* extinction, but *because* of impeding extinction. What really happens is that when manufacturers of current technology see a new technology come down the pike, they try to compete with it by improving their old stuff -- something they could have (and should have) done a long time before. This is usually too little, too late and fails in the market place. -- Ron > > I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. > > Cheers - Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 9 15:43:14 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:43:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message-ID: Gosh Derrick, you're right. I have four Dolby S decks, and it really is terrific. Funnily enough, I remember you going through that a couple of years ago - the wrestle between have three decks with the space for two, and since then, have been on a passive lookout for a Yamaha KX-690 based on your enthusiasm for it. I was too slow-witted to grab a 580SE when I had the chance - there's a Yamaha KX-493 in a shop down the road from here (new) but it's single cap and doesn't have the Dolby S. Sigh.... Marc >>> dgb100 at psu.edu 3/9/2007 4:24 PM >>> Dolby S was great. Too bad they never had the brains to put out a modular version to adapt to older decks. I had a Yamaha KX-690 with Dolby S and that thing recorded and played back every bit as good as my CR-5 and Dragon. In fact I'd even say the high end was better than those two. I could kick myself for selling it now since I ended up selling my Dragon a few months later. If anyone knows where to find one, please contact me. I haven't seen another since. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Hugo Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; ra.ah at rcn.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is froman unknown sender - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown sender Yup, sounds like Dolby S hey Ron!! - Marc >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 3/9/2007 3:50:14 PM >>> Marc Hugo wrote: > dgb100 at psu.edu: said: > > Very true - it's a well known law applicable in both Science and > Marketing - the law of "Terminal Pinnacling" which states that > "Every technology reaches its zenith on the eve of its extinction." True, but misleadingly stated. Old technology reaches its pinnacle not just *before* extinction, but *because* of impeding extinction. What really happens is that when manufacturers of current technology see a new technology come down the pike, they try to compete with it by improving their old stuff -- something they could have (and should have) done a long time before. This is usually too little, too late and fails in the market place. -- Ron > > I believe that Mitsubishi made some excellent machines. I miss my old Sanyo VHR-2500 - stills like slides. New machines thesedays are flimsy things you can practically push a drinking straw through them. > > Cheers - Marc ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. 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The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Mar 9 22:15:57 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:15:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts about tape transfer.. Message-ID: hi.. hope this is not too off topic.. I'm thinking about putting some of my tape decks to use (and it also gives me a reason to get them working properly!) by offering anlogue to digital conversion. in my collection I have a 680, 682ZX, 480, 580, 582, tascam 112, technics rs-m255x (dbx deck) and sony wm-d6c. the 680 series seems to offer the best sound and is in the best condition but i'd imagine a deck with adjustable playback azimuth would be beneficial, is this correct? i also have a few teac, tascam and revox reel to reels but i'll leave those off here.. other than the potential market and the quality of the AD converters used what else should I be thinking about? thanks adrian From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 22:45:06 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:45:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10703091345s2c9c3cd4rd8a4892ae8787df4@mail.gmail.com> If anyone finds any any TP-II or TP-IV Maxima series EMTECs - grab them all !!! Nothing short of a revelation, I promise. George On 3/9/07, Marc Hugo wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > I will start a search for them. Emtec say they make them, so good should triumph over evil. I'll revert in the next few days. > > Kind regards - Marc > > >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 3/9/2007 4:43:44 AM >>> > After reading about the Emtec tapes here I have been looking all over for a > good source, specifically the Emtec CS-II cassettes and have come up with > nothing. > > Plenty of CE-II cassettes are found on eBay and I found that > http://tapeworkstexas.com/ had some 46 min and 100 min CE-II tapes in stock > but the CS-II tapes are the ones that seem to be getting all the praise. > > Does anyone know of a retailer where I could buy some Emtec CS-II tapes? > > Thanks, > > Andrew From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Mar 9 22:59:17 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:59:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: <200703090935.l299ZKvO020614@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703090935.l299ZKvO020614@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: It looks new to my eyes ..... ends tomorrow night, I cant get the url to behave so heres the item number. Item number: 270095838246 Just in case its of interest ...it says he'l post worldwide and the price has been cheap for days ian scotland From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 9 23:15:54 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: <518b7b10703091345s2c9c3cd4rd8a4892ae8787df4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <834079.97017.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George: Unfortunately these two tapes are almost impossible to find though in BASF and I do not have much hope even on EMTEC :( !! george valkov wrote: If anyone finds any any TP-II or TP-IV Maxima series EMTECs - grab them all !!! Nothing short of a revelation, I promise. George On 3/9/07, Marc Hugo wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > I will start a search for them. Emtec say they make them, so good should triumph over evil. I'll revert in the next few days. > > Kind regards - Marc > > >>> oldbluesman at earthlink.net 3/9/2007 4:43:44 AM >>> > After reading about the Emtec tapes here I have been looking all over for a > good source, specifically the Emtec CS-II cassettes and have come up with > nothing. > > Plenty of CE-II cassettes are found on eBay and I found that > http://tapeworkstexas.com/ had some 46 min and 100 min CE-II tapes in stock > but the CS-II tapes are the ones that seem to be getting all the praise. > > Does anyone know of a retailer where I could buy some Emtec CS-II tapes? > > Thanks, > > Andrew ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Jones Sent: 09 March 2007 02:44 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes After reading about the Emtec tapes here I have been looking all over for a good source, specifically the Emtec CS-II cassettes and have come up with nothing. Plenty of CE-II cassettes are found on eBay and I found that http://tapeworkstexas.com/ had some 46 min and 100 min CE-II tapes in stock but the CS-II tapes are the ones that seem to be getting all the praise. Does anyone know of a retailer where I could buy some Emtec CS-II tapes? Thanks, Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00322.txt URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 10 02:54:32 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:54:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Absolutely right! It's the desert dust that caused British soldiers in the desert war against the Italians and Germans to use condoms to keep the sand out of their rifle barrels, and the same dust that causes the modern SA80 rifles to fail where the more reliable Kalashnikovs don't. The damned stuff gets everywhere. It's extremely fine sand, not dead skin as the usual dust you'd find in the average UK household. I can imagine it will cause havoc with any close engineered mechanics. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: 09 March 2007 09:31 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes Dear Shaun, YES...I'm 100% positively sure! It's NOT the same as in UK...when mostly during the year rain, or near raining...so NO dust...here we have the "Desert Dust"...that penetrates to all the machines, areas etc...! That's makes a HUGE difference! Best wishes, ALEX! more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Mar 10 15:18:23 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:18:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Wow & flutter analysis w/ CLIO Win 7 Message-ID: <000701c7631f$048e2930$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, CLIO Win 7 (both in the lite and standard version) offers wow & flutter analysis http://www.cliowin.com/7wow.htm Is anyone familiar with this software and can it compete with a standard wow & flutter meter like the Kenwood or Leader. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From truckie13469 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 10 18:12:26 2007 From: truckie13469 at hotmail.com (Tyler Birch) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:12:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nak 600 Message-ID: i have a nak 600 deck that needs to be worked on does anybody know someone that can do this for me i live in virgina tyler From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Mar 10 20:41:52 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:41:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: <006b01c7634c$275191f0$6701a8c0@main> I have two of them. I think that they are much better than Dolby C if you want to record live stuff. You do not have much chance to really accurately set the recording level like with home taping. . Sort of a 2 band dbx system. Let you go to about +`10db with ease. Very low noise. I never noticed any bad effects. I used two of them with a 682ZX for live taping. With two, I could monitor the taped result. One for compression going in the deck and the second on the deck output for playback. You cannot monitor the recorded signal while recording with only one unit. Easy to set up and use though. I like mine. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Mar 10 21:01:38 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:01:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: <007d01c7634e$ea5c1290$6701a8c0@main> I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 11 05:08:24 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:08:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: <328183.94700.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, I think that the DBX pumping has to do with the correct amount of expansion/compression ratio against the source volume being set. Kermit, a Nalktalk member had prepared a great page on using DBX. Try searching Naktalk archives for it. Worked for me with my Model 128 DBXII processor. I got it wrong in the beginning and always thought Dolby was superior, but I was wrong! However, Hi-Com indeed comes out tops as it is better then most systems out there. It was invented by Telefunken and Nak based the Hi-Com on their circuits. It is impressive. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:01:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 11 06:41:05 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:41:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: Hi Bill. Yes was the best "NR"...ever made....but...it's NOT "Universally"...you must use the encoded cassettes with the same decoder,...so like me per example recorded cassettes with those superbly units can't be use with another cassette deck that "Don't" have the same facilities or in your car radio/tape unit. Making them seriously NO universally...as Dolby "B & C" that was my sole reason why during the 80ties/90ties I don't acquired them. Peace, Alex! Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:01:38 -0500From: william.shenefelt at verizon.netSubject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay ukTo: naktalk at naks.com I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Mar 11 13:16:32 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:16:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: <000501c763d7$1be6af90$6701a8c0@main> True, HiCom is not all that universal. A Revox reel to reel with Dolby (which I did NOT have) would have not been nice live taping though. That won't fit in a car deck either though. I had been making tapes for a local theater organ society. I used the HiCom to make the initial recording and then made an "edited master" of the right length to best fill side A and best fit side B. Then I used that edited tape, HiCom decoded, to copy on my other decks set with Dolby B for them to sell. Thus it was a third generation tape in Dolby B for their sale. The noise on a third generation copy using three rounds of Dolby B is not all that quiet, the Hicom let me make a third generation Dolby BE copy that almost equaled what a master would have been on Dolby B. Even if used just at home, a live master is unlikely to go out on loan or to a car anyway. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun Mar 11 18:32:38 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:32:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: Sounds great Bill. I was thinking about rack mounting the 1000zxl once it's fully sorted with a pair of these, (plus the 680 if I can find a set of rack mounts) noting Alex's comments, understanding that the tapes may not be transferable. A good excuse to use the zxl more! I tend to use different tapes for each deck to ensure that I use them all anyway. Copying the master will then be good for the car deck if I can locate one, looking for a TD-1200. Thanks for your feedback guys. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sun Mar 11 18:34:22 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:34:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown Message-ID: <000f01c76403$823ca340$6701a8c0@main> Ron, sometimes it is that a new technology offers a stride at much lower cost than extending the existing technology, and at other times it is just poor management response to old information. The only exception I remember is the capacitive disk player. Just as the capacitive disk for video was really taking off, it was dumped. The big bulky capacitive disks were a lot less expensive (retail) than laser disk or VHS tape, but old market reports showed poor sales. The sales had just taken off upward but the management dumped them due to looking at old reports. This was happening about the time rental outfits were really starting up. Unfortunately, the recording industry also is their own biggest enemy. Fought cassettes, lost and then made a killing selling them. Fought rental movies until they lost and then due to massive sales to rental outfits were able to make them much lower in cost and make a fortune in the consumer market. Fought minidisk and killed that medium before they could take advantage of sales. Fought DAT and killed consumer DAT, again before they could take advantage of sales of the new medium for pre recorded material. Talk about your own worst enemy! CD sales to the mass market with less than stellar performance unfortunately was the demise of cassettes due to providing a cheap mass production manufacture of relatively high quality medium at least compared to the marketed cassettes that were produced). . Also today's market for electronics is for throw away equipment. Just look inside a tape deck (vhs) sold today. Now the hard drive is replacing that but not built with quality. Cost may be high, but failure is higher. Anyone think a hard drive HDTV recorder they have purchased will last like the Nak decks have??? I have records that predate me at 63 that still sound good. The same holds true for the old master tapes. My HDTV recorder hard drive has failed in less than 2 years taking the recorded movies with it. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Sun Mar 11 21:16:00 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:16:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Message-ID: I think it's best not to use ANY NOISE REDUCTION at all!They all degrade sound.As for infamous Dolby system...it degrades sound too.Nobody built a cassette deck with a good noise reduction.I have all of the top models: Nakamichi 1000ZXL,Luxman 5K50,Teac 860,Technics RS-9900,Revox B- 710,Tandberg 3014A,Phase Linear 7000(aka Pioneer CT-A1),Aiwa 6900.I prefer tapes without any noise reduction. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Bala Ganesh Chandra[mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/10/2007 8:08:24 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Bill, I think that the DBX pumping has to do with the correct amount of expansion/compression ratio against the source volume being set. Kermit, a Nalktalk member had prepared a great page on using DBX. Try searching Naktalk archives for it. Worked for me with my Model 128 DBXII processor. I got it wrong in the beginning and always thought Dolby was superior, but I was wrong! However, Hi-Com indeed comes out tops as it is better then most systems out there. It was invented by Telefunken and Nak based the Hi-Com on their circuits. It is impressive. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:01:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . 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Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From danzone7 at aol.com Sun Mar 11 22:47:01 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:47:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Apparently "As New" 1000ZXL for sale in San Francisco area Message-ID: <007a01c76426$cdcb0e00$0307a8c0@DR1> A person who regularly posts high end audio equipment for sale locally (the San Francisco Bay Area) on CraigsList has posted what he describes as an "as new" Nakamichi 1000ZXL. If true, it's a truly rare commodity, and I thought that some in the Nak Talk community would have an interest. Since most of us look to eBay or Audiogon for this level of equipment, this posting may have gone unnoticed. Here is the seller's description: "Nakamichi 1000ZXL Computing Tape Deck. Original box, original owner, owner's manual. Gorgeous original wood case with perfect factory stain! Condition is as NEW! Everything works as new. Very low hours. It was mostly used as the pretty centerpiece of an elaborate stereo system. Since CD's are the way to go, the turntable was sold and now it is the tape deck's turn to go to a good home. $1500" Here is the link to the posting, the anonymous email link is at the top - he doesn't have a photo of the unit: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/289627193.html I don't have any affiliation or experience with the seller, so I cannot vouch for him being legitimate or trustworthy. Unfortunately, with CraigsList there is no way to validate a sellers credentials or trading history - the advertisement just disappears when the sale is over - no feedback, no reporting loop, no nothing. I am sure most of us in this forum are pretty aware of the normal variety of scams on eBay and Audiogon. However, if you have never dealt with a seller on CraigsList, please beware. Don't ship! Don't buy unless you can actually see the unit personally before you exchange money. CraigsList is wonderful if you can adhere to that simple caveat, but there are no safeguards on CraigsList so it is also a haven for the really nasty scam artists. There isn't even an assurance that the seller you are communicating with is even located where he says he is. I tried to buy a computer last year from a seller who posted "from San Francisco", but in reality it was a scammer who apparently resided in England. Good Luck! Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Sun Mar 11 23:04:22 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:04:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: dust (was metal tapes) In-Reply-To: <200703101100.l2AB05GH003959@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703101100.l2AB05GH003959@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0B08C071-6C4A-4260-9219-9CCAF8D209B7@mac.com> I've never used firearms and birth control at the same time before, but I have lived in places in the desert southwest (US) where this kind of dust is common. It penetrates everything, like drywall dust for those of you who have lived through a re-model. But that puts in me in my mind of not so OT question: what is the best way to deal with very dusty gear (such as we sometimes get from ebay)? I worry that a vacuum cleaner will generate static, so I usually arduously dust by hand using a cloth dampened with contact cleaner. It's a pain and maybe I'm wrong and vacuums are safe? wondering, and with lots of dusty gear, Fred On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:00 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > Date: March 9, 2007 5:54:32 PM PST > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Absolutely right! It's the desert dust that caused British > soldiers in the desert war against the Italians and Germans to use > condoms to keep the sand out of their rifle barrels, and the same > dust that causes the modern SA80 rifles to fail where the more > reliable Kalashnikovs don't. The damned stuff gets everywhere. > It's extremely fine sand, not dead skin as the usual dust you'd > find in the average UK household. I can imagine it will cause havoc > with any close engineered mechanics. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: 09 March 2007 09:31 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] metal Tapes > > Dear Shaun, > > YES...I'm 100% positively sure! It's NOT the same as in UK...when > mostly during the year rain, or near raining...so NO dust...here we > have the "Desert Dust"...that penetrates to all the machines, areas > etc...! That's makes a HUGE difference! > > Best wishes, > > ALEX! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Mar 11 23:41:48 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:41:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: dust (was metal tapes) Message-ID: <1F4F0CFE-2668-4E9B-A8A3-7C721CB0E2EC@alumni.caltech.edu> I won't argue as to whether or not static is a problem, but if it is, then most vacs that are actually *made* tp deal with computer equipment (I'm not talking the battery powered things)--like cleaning out printers and the like have conductive hoses and such that are supposed to alleviate the issue.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 00:09:37 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <561510.26796.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 9900-us must have taken up more space then the ZXL! I have the next best, the RS-95. I certainly agree that having no NR is best. This is true for reel to reel, and at 7.5 ips, I certainly forget about tape noise. However, with cassette tape, tape noise seems to be unavoidable and there comes the point where you have to choose the lesser evil between the various NR systems. This is especially true with NOS cassettes. With many of Nak's decks, the signal still goes through the Dolby IC. Simply bypassing the device does not seem to work. The sonic degradation when NR kicks in is very audible, but we just have to accept it at times. Bala "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: I think it's best not to use ANY NOISE REDUCTION at all!They all degrade sound.As for infamous Dolby system...it degrades sound too.Nobody built a cassette deck with a good noise reduction.I have all of the top models: Nakamichi 1000ZXL,Luxman 5K50,Teac 860,Technics RS-9900,Revox B- 710,Tandberg 3014A,Phase Linear 7000(aka Pioneer CT-A1),Aiwa 6900.I prefer tapes without any noise reduction. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Bala Ganesh Chandra[mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/10/2007 8:08:24 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Bill, I think that the DBX pumping has to do with the correct amount of expansion/compression ratio against the source volume being set. Kermit, a Nalktalk member had prepared a great page on using DBX. Try searching Naktalk archives for it. Worked for me with my Model 128 DBXII processor. I got it wrong in the beginning and always thought Dolby was superior, but I was wrong! However, Hi-Com indeed comes out tops as it is better then most systems out there. It was invented by Telefunken and Nak based the Hi-Com on their circuits. It is impressive. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:01:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 00:17:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown In-Reply-To: <000f01c76403$823ca340$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <606432.77199.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, I was from the hard-drive manufacture industry and left, partly because of their manufacturing ethics. Most hard-drive manufacturers actually have a 're-work line' which tries to recycle back failed drives in order to get them to work. And not to say that the new drives are manufactured to good standards. They are not even manufactured to the standards that mass-market stereo in the 80s was. The average lifespan for computer hardware these days IS 2 years. And no, we will not see the light of standards set by the old masters like Marantz or McIntosh or Nakamichi. Even these guys succumbed to low cost manufacturing and it proved to be their un-doing. Bala Bill Shenefelt wrote: Ron, sometimes it is that a new technology offers a stride at much lower cost than extending the existing technology, and at other times it is just poor management response to old information. The only exception I remember is the capacitive disk player. Just as the capacitive disk for video was really taking off, it was dumped. The big bulky capacitive disks were a lot less expensive (retail) than laser disk or VHS tape, but old market reports showed poor sales. The sales had just taken off upward but the management dumped them due to looking at old reports. This was happening about the time rental outfits were really starting up. Unfortunately, the recording industry also is their own biggest enemy. Fought cassettes, lost and then made a killing selling them. Fought rental movies until they lost and then due to massive sales to rental outfits were able to make them much lower in cost and make a fortune in the consumer market. Fought minidisk and killed that medium before they could take advantage of sales. Fought DAT and killed consumer DAT, again before they could take advantage of sales of the new medium for pre recorded material. Talk about your own worst enemy! CD sales to the mass market with less than stellar performance unfortunately was the demise of cassettes due to providing a cheap mass production manufacture of relatively high quality medium at least compared to the marketed cassettes that were produced). . Also today's market for electronics is for throw away equipment. Just look inside a tape deck (vhs) sold today. Now the hard drive is replacing that but not built with quality. Cost may be high, but failure is higher. Anyone think a hard drive HDTV recorder they have purchased will last like the Nak decks have??? I have records that predate me at 63 that still sound good. The same holds true for the old master tapes. My HDTV recorder hard drive has failed in less than 2 years taking the recorded movies with it. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 12 01:13:56 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:13:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an unknown In-Reply-To: <606432.77199.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <606432.77199.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F49B44.5060709@rcn.com> Life span of computer equipment is about 2 years or so because it becomes obsolete that fast, not because the equipment fails. Current hard drives have a claimed MTBF of 1.2 million hours (that's 137 years). The main stream manufacturers (say, WD or Seagate) warranty is 5 years. I don't think one can compare reliability of stereo equipment with that of computer components. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Bill, > > I was from the hard-drive manufacture industry and left, partly > because of their manufacturing ethics. Most hard-drive manufacturers > actually have a 're-work line' which tries to recycle back failed drives > in order to get them to work. And not to say that the new drives are > manufactured to good standards. They are not even manufactured to the > standards that mass-market stereo in the 80s was. > > The average lifespan for computer hardware these days IS 2 years. And > no, we will not see the light of standards set by the old masters like > Marantz or McIntosh or Nakamichi. Even these guys succumbed to low cost > manufacturing and it proved to be their un-doing. > > Bala > > */Bill Shenefelt /* wrote: > > Ron, sometimes it is that a new technology offers a stride at much > lower cost than extending the existing technology, and at other > times it is just poor management response to old information. The > only exception I remember is the capacitive disk player. Just as > the capacitive disk for video was really taking off, it was dumped. > The big bulky capacitive disks were a lot less expensive (retail) > than laser disk or VHS tape, but old market reports showed poor > sales. The sales had just taken off upward but the management > dumped them due to looking at old reports. This was happening about > the time rental outfits were really starting up. > > Unfortunately, the recording industry also is their own biggest > enemy. Fought cassettes, lost and then made a killing selling > them. Fought rental movies until they lost and then due to massive > sales to rental outfits were able to make them much lower in cost > and make a fortune in the consumer market. Fought minidisk and > killed that medium before they could take advantage of sales. > Fought DAT and killed consumer DAT, again before they could take > advantage of sales of the new medium for pre recorded material. > Talk about your own worst enemy! > > CD sales to the mass market with less than stellar performance > unfortunately was the demise of cassettes due to providing a cheap > mass production manufacture of relatively high quality medium at > least compared to the marketed cassettes that were produced). . > Also today's market for electronics is for throw away equipment. > Just look inside a tape deck (vhs) sold today. Now the hard drive > is replacing that but not built with quality. Cost may be high, but > failure is higher. Anyone think a hard drive HDTV recorder they > have purchased will last like the Nak decks have??? I have records > that predate me at 63 that still sound good. The same holds true > for the old master tapes. My HDTV recorder hard drive has failed in > less than 2 years taking the recorded movies with it. > Bill Shenefelt > http://sheneskillies.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 14:26:39 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: <561510.26796.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <124829.33623.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I agree. No noise reduction is mostly better than any noide reduction. dbx for me woks better but then you need to play back with dbx or it sounds horrible. I am back to sq one. NO NR isbetter than any. I shall live with a little hiss..... Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: The 9900-us must have taken up more space then the ZXL! I have the next best, the RS-95. I certainly agree that having no NR is best. This is true for reel to reel, and at 7.5 ips, I certainly forget about tape noise. However, with cassette tape, tape noise seems to be unavoidable and there comes the point where you have to choose the lesser evil between the various NR systems. This is especially true with NOS cassettes. With many of Nak's decks, the signal still goes through the Dolby IC. Simply bypassing the device does not seem to work. The sonic degradation when NR kicks in is very audible, but we just have to accept it at times. Bala "nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: I think it's best not to use ANY NOISE REDUCTION at all!They all degrade sound.As for infamous Dolby system...it degrades sound too.Nobody built a cassette deck with a good noise reduction.I have all of the top models: Nakamichi 1000ZXL,Luxman 5K50,Teac 860,Technics RS-9900,Revox B- 710,Tandberg 3014A,Phase Linear 7000(aka Pioneer CT-A1),Aiwa 6900.I prefer tapes without any noise reduction. Best regards, ------- Original Message ------- >From : Bala Ganesh Chandra[mailto:bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/10/2007 8:08:24 PM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Bill, I think that the DBX pumping has to do with the correct amount of expansion/compression ratio against the source volume being set. Kermit, a Nalktalk member had prepared a great page on using DBX. Try searching Naktalk archives for it. Worked for me with my Model 128 DBXII processor. I got it wrong in the beginning and always thought Dolby was superior, but I was wrong! However, Hi-Com indeed comes out tops as it is better then most systems out there. It was invented by Telefunken and Nak based the Hi-Com on their circuits. It is impressive. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:01:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . 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URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 14:29:21 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:29:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an, unknown Message-ID: <45F555B1.8030301@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "Life span of computer equipment is about 2 years or so because it becomes obsolete that fast, not because the equipment fails. Current hard drives have a claimed MTBF of 1.2 million hours (that's 137 years). The main stream manufacturers (say, WD or Seagate) warranty is 5 years. I don't think one can compare reliability of stereo equipment with that of computer components." Ken says: Yes, I think they are two different animals too. But it seems I have had more than my fair share of computer failures lately. I have 4 PC's at my office and two at home.I also have 2 Imacs, but they don't count. :-) Over the last several years I have had 4 standard size IDE HD's fail and one laptop HD fail. The HD in my High Definition Direct TV Tivo failed after a year also. I also lost one computer power supply, a video card, and a mother board. I no longer buy branded computers. The internal parts are to average in my opinion. I now build my own and use parts I like based on performance and reliability. And I use plenty of fans to keep everything cool. Hopefully this will increase my reliability. Cheap fans or lack of enough fans in branded computers is my guess of the culprit for the poor reliability. It seems the trouble with HD's started when I began to use them to store and back up music and video. These big chunks of data heat up the drives quickly. But they can talk about 137 year lifespan... but talk is cheap. They all break. Back up, back up, back up. On the other hand, I did have a 6922 tube fail in my preamp last year. Other than that, my stereo gear has been fine! :-) Ken From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Mar 12 14:42:10 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:42:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 In-Reply-To: <124829.33623.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <561510.26796.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <124829.33623.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20E05@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> What is everyone's impression of the 600 as a recording deck? Since I never got the grounding problem straightened out (and am tired of screwing with it) I was considering getting a cheaper Nak to record .wav and mp3s. Have been looking at 600, 700, the lower end CR series. Maybe I should ask, what is the best bargain Nak under say... $200? I used to have a CR-2 which was a perfectly fine deck, although clearly inferior to the CR-5 and Dragon. 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I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Mon Mar 12 15:46:44 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 6:46:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 Message-ID: <2744524.1173710804121.JavaMail.root@web18> My 2 cents for what it worth is the LX-5... John ---- "Beckner wrote: > What is everyone's impression of the 600 as a recording deck? > Since I never got the grounding problem straightened out (and am tired > of screwing with it) I was considering getting a cheaper Nak to record > .wav and mp3s. Have been looking at 600, 700, the lower end CR series. > Maybe I should ask, what is the best bargain Nak under say... $200? > > > > I used to have a CR-2 which was a perfectly fine deck, although > clearly inferior to the CR-5 and Dragon. But remember, I'm just > recording 192Kbps wma with it. > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 14:40:41 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:40:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: <007d01c7634e$ea5c1290$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312074041.00864290@earthlink.net> Hi Com was a consumer version of a Telefunken designed professional NR, that was comparable to Dolby A. There is no consumer Dolby A, so you get the idea. It , in my opinion, is much better than DBX. tom brucker >>>> I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 14:49:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:49:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: <328183.94700.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312074914.00864260@earthlink.net> DBX and cassette are poor housemates, unless the cassette has ruler flat frequency response and perfect level matching in R/P. DBX multiplies errors by 3. This ok in the high frequencies, where we are used to errors, but in midrange and bass, is unacceptable. if I have a +1 dB boost at 42 Hz, DBX makes it +3. If any deck can get away with using DBX, it is a Nakamichi, but it still won't be very flat. That being said, Has anyone tried comparing DBX to Dolby C on an MR1 or other Nak with external processor loops? tom brucker At 08:08 PM 3/10/07 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Bill, I think that the DBX pumping has to do with the correct amount of expansion/compression ratio against the source volume being set. Kermit, a Nalktalk member had prepared a great page on using DBX. Try searching Naktalk archives for it. Worked for me with my Model 128 DBXII processor. I got it wrong in the beginning and always thought Dolby was superior, but I was wrong! However, Hi-Com indeed comes out tops as it is better then most systems out there. It was invented by Telefunken and Nak based the Hi-Com on their circuits. It is impressive. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:01:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.========---------------------------------------------------------== ======= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 14:52:19 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:52:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312075219.00864260@earthlink.net> Ben, Look for a TD700. The 1200 is really tough if it breaks. Even a TD 800 is better. Oh, I hear you have a vintage Jag, so I suppose repairs are only fashionable :)) tom brucker At 01:32 PM 3/11/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Sounds great Bill. I was thinking about rack mounting the 1000zxl once it's fully sorted with a pair of these, (plus the 680 if I can find a set of rack mounts) noting Alex's comments, understanding that the tapes may not be transferable. A good excuse to use the zxl more! I tend to use different tapes for each deck to ensure that I use them all anyway. Copying the master will then be good for the car deck if I can locate one, looking for a TD-1200. Thanks for your feedback guys. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 16:15:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:15:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak 600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312091520.00864220@earthlink.net> Tyler, I'd be happy to repair your 600. What problems are you having? Let's make sure it requires shop service. tom brucker At 05:12 PM 3/10/07 +0000, Tyler Birch wrote: >i have a nak 600 deck that needs to be worked on does anybody know someone >that can do this for me i live in virgina > >tyler > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 12 16:23:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:23:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an, unknown In-Reply-To: <45F555B1.8030301@sbcglobal.net> References: <45F555B1.8030301@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <45F57087.8010502@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "Life span of computer equipment is about 2 years or > so because it becomes obsolete that fast, not because > the equipment fails. Current hard drives have a claimed > MTBF of 1.2 million hours (that's 137 years). The main > stream manufacturers (say, WD or Seagate) warranty is 5 > years. > > I don't think one can compare reliability of stereo > equipment with that of computer components." > > Ken says: > > Yes, I think they are two different animals too. But it seems I have had > more than my fair share of computer failures lately. I have 4 PC's at my > office and two at home.I also have 2 Imacs, but they don't count. :-) > Over the last several years I have had 4 standard size IDE HD's fail and > one laptop HD fail. The HD in my High Definition Direct TV Tivo failed > after a year also. I also lost one computer power supply, a video card, > and a mother board. I no longer buy branded computers. The internal > parts are to average in my opinion. I now build my own and use parts I > like based on performance and reliability. And I use plenty of fans to > keep everything cool. Hopefully this will increase my reliability. Cheap > fans or lack of enough fans in branded computers is my guess of the > culprit for the poor reliability. It seems the trouble with HD's started > when I began to use them to store and back up music and video. These big > chunks of data heat up the drives quickly. But they can tal! > k about 137 year lifespan... but talk is cheap. They all break. Back up, > back up, back up. > > On the other hand, I did have a 6922 tube fail in my preamp last year. > Other than that, my stereo gear has been fine! :-) > > Ken Well, Ken, this is way OT, so I'll comment on it just this once... I've never bought a branded computer -- I always assembled my own, with *my* choice of components. (I built my first computer in the late 70's -- and by that I mean 'built', not assembled). I always buy an HDD that comes with a 5 year warranty (MTBF over 1 million hours) and can't recall a single HDD failure. HDDs that come with a 1 year warranty have low MTBF and *will* fail -- do the math and you'll see it clearly. MTBF talk is not cheap, it costs a bundle to verify and reputable manufacturers (Seagate, WD, Maxtor and the like) do not defraud themselves. Just FYI, MTBF tests are run continuously. If you pay attention to case cooling, large files are not an issue. Generic supplies do fail occasionally, I have never had a name brand supply die on me, so I pay the extra for Enermax supplies. I never had a motherboard fail. Same goes for video boards (actually, any PCI card except for SCSI controllers). Card problem is usually obsolescence, not failure. Bottom line: If you build your own computers, know what you are doing, choose components wisely, and pay attention to cooling and line voltage (if warranted in your area), I don't see why you would have any reliability problems. Regards, -- Ron From truckie13469 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 17:19:21 2007 From: truckie13469 at hotmail.com (Tyler Birch) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:19:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070312074041.00864290@earthlink.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also I can not appreciably distinguish between many of my decks in terms of sound, so the look of the deck has a big bearing on my preference. Only the Dragon stands out to be different from the zx / cr / zxl / 680 as sounding different / better? probably need to upgrade some of the other components in the system which may well be limiting / standardising the sound reproduction? Also, maintenance for me is the most enjoyable part. Sorry if others find this distasteful, but things have to look good to me and sound good. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Mar 12 19:40:35 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:40:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <8C932CC70D492EC-1550-915C@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C932CC70D492EC-1550-915C@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070312184034.PNME460.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Mmmmmmmmm, did you say a 'fairly large collection of parts' ?!? At 10:47 AM 3/12/2007, you wrote: >Hi All > >I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". > >To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the >"Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service >centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and >before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the >Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and >serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no >longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of >Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my >collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I >still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, >service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. > >May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised >in todays (?) naktalk. > >1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the >1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for >instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more >compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - >whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and >no longer available (in my experience anyway). > >2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's >true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same >model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not >sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm >really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be >amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. >The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi >to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as >ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a >couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. > >If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other >cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, >would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine >depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of >detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a >purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. > >Regards > >John Gipps > >---------- >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >free from AOL at >AOL.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Mar 12 20:21:48 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:21:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5343EBCB-42B3-4251-A617-71C64B2E9E8B@thegreatbear.net> hi ben what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? i have a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried expoxying it yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be quite a strong joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. cheers adrian On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > It has to be the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays > fantastic. I would say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head > deck is essential. Keep the 600 for your long term project. There > is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay which won't eject but is otherwise fine > apparently. I notice it is missing it's feet also. The eject > issue is an easy repair and it's very cheap at the moment. If it > was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. BTW The meters are fantastic. > Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ---------------------------------------- greatbear design & computer support 0117 985 0500 adrian at thegreatbear.net www.thegreatbear.net 58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:35:45 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:35:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 Message-ID: Hi Adrian, I don't know if the 680 is different from the 680 ZX, but my deck had a pin that had jumped over the lever. This was easy find once the faceplate was removed and to relocate. It all works fine. No broken parts at all. What is the issue with your 682ZX? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 20:43:56 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <8C932CC70D492EC-1550-915C@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070312194356.85390.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Mar 12 20:51:27 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:51:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91F6017D-369C-4CCE-B86D-1EC2ECA0075F@thegreatbear.net> hi ben it's the actual eject lever.. where it pivots underneath the front panel and then pushes another part to release the door mech. it's snapped so the level hangs loose from the front and you can't eject unless you take the top off! i've actually got it apart tonight and i'm going to try to fix it... i've just discovered what i thought was a bad case of orange cap disease stopping the meters working seems to be just a dirty tape / source switch.. adrian On 12 Mar 2007, at 19:35, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Hi Adrian, > I don't know if the 680 is different from the 680 ZX, but my deck > had a pin that had jumped over the lever. This was easy find once > the faceplate was removed and to relocate. It all works fine. No > broken parts at all. What is the issue with your 682ZX? > Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 20:51:58 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] metal Tapes - [New Sender] Message is from an,, unknown Message-ID: <45F5AF5E.1070902@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "Bottom line: If you build your own computers, know what you are doing, choose components wisely, and pay attention to cooling and line voltage (if warranted in your area), I don't see why you would have any reliability problems." Ken says: Absolutely! I agree 100% And this is way off topic... But overclocking can complicate things. :-) From moydan at excite.com Mon Mar 12 21:03:43 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 does not play Message-ID: <20070312200343.9DC9492006@xprdmxin.myway.com> Hello All,I purchased another BX-300 as a spare (the addication begins).� It does not play and has the following symptoms: (1) the power button works but some times it look like the deck is not getting enough power as the lights/counter numbers are dim.� (2) When everything is dim the conter numbers will flash on an off.� (3) When playing (when it appears to have full-power) the level leds work but the there is no sound with the exception of a few scratch sounds.(4) The level sliders do nothing the output seems to be stuck at full.Should I dive in or leave it for parts?� Is there anything I can do such as cleaning etc. that would help?� or should I send it to someone, if so who should I send it to?Thanks,Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Mar 12 21:39:09 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:39:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello John in Oz ..Welcome In-Reply-To: <200703121650.l2CGontp030874@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703121650.l2CGontp030874@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi john Im no old timer only been here 18 months but its great to see your input and thats a fine background that I guess will interest all. I look forward to hearing more in future. I have a 481z a new eBay rescue I have yet to report on a BX300 E which inevitably (ie eBay) has unstated issues with ff and RW but apart from that is a ahole load quieter than the 481 ..... may be the op amp circuit at a guess AND for my sins I have a Cassette Deck 2 just returned from Bower & Wilkins after a full service ....... I hope to report on the replay characteristics of this item compared to the older decks I have ........ and I wish I had an ex Nak dealer or nak nut in my locale ..... take care and thanks for joining in here peace ian ramsey Scotland >From: johngipps at aol.com > I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". > To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the >"Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service >centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and >before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the >Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and >serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no >longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of >Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my >collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I >still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, >service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. >SNIP > Regards > John Gipps From Benstratford at aol.com Mon Mar 12 21:52:19 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:52:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: Hi Victor, The one about swapping the pulley drive for the gear drive is available if required. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Mar 12 22:23:07 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:23:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reliability metrics Message-ID: > But overclocking can complicate things. :-) I haven't seen too many people that overclocked their disks (especially TiVo disks). To get this a little back on a relevant topic (reliability)... I would not be so enamoured by the MTBF failures on anything these does, nor on warranty lengths. MTBFs are done by statistical extrapolations. It's not like they go and measure something and just count how many fail in 5 years. They run accelerated tests in a laboratory and assume they can calculate out failure rates in the real world under supposedly less-stringent "normal use." The probably isn't the statistical calculations as much as it's that the results are only as good as the assumptions that go into the calculations ("normal use" is really less stringent, running it flat out 24x7 is worse than spin-up/down/power cycling transients, etc.). I think a lot of place make 'optimistic' assumptions. As for warranties, maybe in the old days (or maybe even not then, but certainly not now), it might have meant 'we think this will last for the warranty period.' Today it means more of 'Taking into account all sorts of things, including items such as laziness and frustration of the consumer so much that they're just not going to bother to make a claim, we think we can cheaply enough replace the number of items that will actually get claimed to have been broken and still make a reasonable profit.' One place I worked at figured they could essentially reneg on a non- disclosure agreement/promise simply because they estimated who'd actually get upset and how much they'd cost/lose in business, and it was the more acceptable risk to them. They were not a particularly bad company at the time, as things go, and this was mid-1980s. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Mon Mar 12 22:31:33 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:31:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX with a broken eject lever In-Reply-To: <200703121940.l2CJeMeQ001142@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Adrian, This is a relatively common problem. The mounting boss that holds the lever is not particularly strong. I have effected successful repairs by firstly restoring/ reassembling the pieces of the mount with superglue and checking for function. Then I reinforce the area using a kneadable epoxy putty, eg: Milliput, or one of the Tamiya modelling putties... makes for a very robust assembly that is unlikley to ever break again. Not the prettiest repair, but careful smoothing of the putty and some black paint can hide it, and it is on the inside!. cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From martin.short at nstarch.com Mon Mar 12 22:40:25 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:40:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nak 600 In-Reply-To: <200703121940.l2CJeMeQ001142@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Tyler, >From your description, I would say that your tape counter belt has stretched and on a 600/600II, the auto stop sensor is run off the counter assembly. You will get about 2 seconds play before the auto stop kicks in. Check that the counter turns when you push play. If you have the case off, you can check for this function by manually rotating the counter drive shaft whilst engaging play.. if it is this belt, then the deck should remain in play mode as long as you rotate the shaft. Changing this belt is fiddly without partially dismantling the transport. If it isn't, this belt then...better get it off to Tom.. cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 22:48:07 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <974709.83880.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Adrian, I had to do that very same thing on a CD player. I found this plastic glue from the hardware store that I've also used on plastics that have much more load than an eject button. When I get home from work I'll e-mail the brand name etc. Bob Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Adrian, Let me know if you need any help. What I have managed successfully is to drill / tap each part and screw / glue. Very fiddly but very strong. You could also try to mortice out a channel to reinforce with a steel rod of able to. Not sure exactly the part you refer to but hope this helps. A local engineering company may help. Talk to an old guy who wants to show off his old skills! Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Mon Mar 12 23:00:36 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:00:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks in QLD In-Reply-To: <200703121647.l2CGilmh030806@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi John, Welcome aboard. Good to hear from you and nice to make your aquaintance. Though you sold your business, are you still 'practising'?, or 'retired'. Are you based in Brisbane or a bit further out? I have just transferred to Sydney from Auckland and have only had a brief 'scratch' around to see who is around the area. Unfortunately I am now 'divorced' from my favourite repair man back home in terms of ready accessibility, but as I am back in NZ on a regular basis, repairs are fortunately still possible if I cannot fix it myself. A while back I bought the remaining assets of the old Nakamichi NZ, so have some gauges ,test tapes, and a sparse selection of unimportant new spares including some belts, as well as some second hand spares accumulated over time. Maybe we can compare notes sometime.. Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 12 22:57:41 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 does not play In-Reply-To: <20070312200343.9DC9492006@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <609852.43184.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, I have a service manual on my home PC for the BX300. If you'd like me to e-mail it to you, let me know. It may be a voltage issue. Bob dan moy wrote: Hello All, I purchased another BX-300 as a spare (the addication begins). It does not play and has the following symptoms: (1) the power button works but some times it look like the deck is not getting enough power as the lights/counter numbers are dim. (2) When everything is dim the conter numbers will flash on an off. (3) When playing (when it appears to have full-power) the level leds work but the there is no sound with the exception of a few scratch sounds. (4) The level sliders do nothing the output seems to be stuck at full. Should I dive in or leave it for parts? Is there anything I can do such as cleaning etc. that would help? or should I send it to someone, if so who should I send it to? Thanks, Dan --------------------------------- Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 22:47:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak 600 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20070312074041.00864290@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312154750.0086d840@earthlink.net> tyler, I'd be happy to help. Shut off can be caused by the tape not moving in play (bad belt or sticky idler), no take up (idler) or bad tape counter belt. I think the repair will be less than $100. I can call if I see any problem more major, like a bad motor. Our company contact info is in my signature line. tom At 04:19 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Hi tom My name is john tyler birch, I have an old Nak 600 tape deck that needs to be fixed. it powers on but will not play tapes, when i press the play button it kicks off automatically after a second or two. Your name has come up a time or two as far as someone that knows what they are doing, I live in gate city virgina, and i was wondering if i could have you fix this deck for me. i can ship you the deck and you look it over and give me an estimate to fix it. Please help me out on this. tyler ---------- From: Hi Tech Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Hi-com II noise reduction system on ebay uk Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:40:41 -0600 >Hi Com was a consumer version of a Telefunken designed professional NR, >that was comparable to Dolby A. >There is no consumer Dolby A, so you get the idea. It , in my opinion, is >much better than DBX. > >tom brucker > > > >>>> >I have two of them and love them for wide dynamic range capabilities. I >sure would not sell one for $50. Ought to be worth a couple of hundred I >would think. A lot better noise reduction than Dolby C or DBX to my ears. >Really sits on a high level signal going to the deck then brings it right >back in playback. No pumping like DBX to my ears. . >Bill Shenefelt >http://sheneskillies.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 22:47:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Kleening In-Reply-To: <20070312182209.OGCX11293.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bells outh.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312154749.0086e640@earthlink.net> Alcohol on an old diaper.......dad. Now tell us about your taping experiments!!!!! tom At 01:22 PM 3/12/07 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody know some secret tips to cleaning the faceplate of a very dirty TD560 without removing vital lettering and such? I know the plastic absorbs alot of stuff and doesn't seem to relinquish any grubb but just wondered if anybody knew of something that would help get it looking somewhat cleaner. > >Thanx, > >Tommy Hatcher >NashVegas, Tn > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 22:47:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: <5343EBCB-42B3-4251-A617-71C64B2E9E8B@thegreatbear.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312154749.0086e640@earthlink.net> Is the lever broken, or the clamp that holds the flexible cable. If the lever is bad I can send one from our donated NakTalk parts unit. I have seen people epoxy the clamp. There is a better way, but it is tough to desribe. tom brucker At 07:21 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >hi ben > >what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? > >i have a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried >expoxying it yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be >quite a strong joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. > >cheers > >adrian > >On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > >> It has to be the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays >> fantastic. I would say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head >> deck is essential. Keep the 600 for your long term project. There >> is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay which won't eject but is otherwise fine >> apparently. I notice it is missing it's feet also. The eject >> issue is an easy repair and it's very cheap at the moment. If it >> was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. BTW The meters are fantastic. >> Ben >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > >---------------------------------------- > >greatbear design & computer support > >0117 985 0500 >adrian at thegreatbear.net >www.thegreatbear.net >58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kingd at usq.edu.au Mon Mar 12 23:03:27 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:03:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello John Gipps! Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895199DC6@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hello John Gipps Good to hear from a fellow Aussie. Welcome to Naktalk. I am up in Toowoomba, and have a ZX-9 and 482. The 482 was aligned by you many many years ago. It is still going strong today. I have just re-belted my ZX-9 and it still astounds me with its recording/playback quality. This is a great list for Nak lovers, and everybody is very friendly and knowledgeable and shares a common passion. Welcome aboard. 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Mar 12 23:11:07 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:11:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted Message-ID: <95B79033-B80C-48B7-9BA5-824B36A48660@thegreatbear.net> hi.. i was just looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap values, as it hasn't recorded anything so some time.. i noticed though that these two components look like they've received too much current and melted slightly: look a this photo linked here: http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg i only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I cannot be 100% of the component.. is this damage still the likely result of orange caps going bad? thanks adrian From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Mar 12 23:18:30 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:18:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070312154749.0086e640@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070312154749.0086e640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: hi tom.. it's the lever, snapped just by the pivot inside, near where the small return spring attaches to.. a recycled replacement would be great, i'll contact you off list with details.. thanks adrian On 12 Mar 2007, at 21:47, Hi Tech wrote: > Is the lever broken, or the clamp that holds the flexible cable. If > the > lever is bad I can send one from our donated NakTalk parts unit. I > have > seen people epoxy the clamp. There is a better way, but it is tough to > desribe. > > tom brucker > > At 07:21 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >> hi ben >> >> what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? >> >> i have a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried >> expoxying it yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be >> quite a strong joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. >> >> cheers >> >> adrian >> >> On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> >>> It has to be the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays >>> fantastic. I would say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head >>> deck is essential. Keep the 600 for your long term project. There >>> is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay which won't eject but is otherwise fine >>> apparently. I notice it is missing it's feet also. The eject >>> issue is an easy repair and it's very cheap at the moment. If it >>> was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. 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From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 23:31:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:31:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New NakTalker In-Reply-To: <8C932CC70D492EC-1550-915C@mblk-r28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312163118.00870bf0@earthlink.net> Welcome John, There is an interesting trend here that those professional Nakamichi servicers have never lost their passion for the decks. Let's hope we can encourage others from other countries to join in, or at least keep the parts available! Parts are a huge problem here in the US and in the UK. There are 2 ongoing efforts here that you might enjoy. One is to find a manufacturer to copy the classic 680 capstan belt (and the others if we can get samples). I have one left and John Nelson has one if needed. If you had one of each of the Nakamichi capstan belts , the 700, the 500, 680, BX300, ZX9, BX1, then I would urge you to preserve and reserve one in the off chance we can find someone to manufacture them. Our second project is to reproduce the alignment gauges, and make some tapes. We have a set of the 1st generation gauges that will be sent to 3 NakTalkers with the ability to make engineering drawings and contacts in the machine tool business to have some sets built. It is all kind of fun! tom brucker At 10:47 AM 3/12/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 23:39:41 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:39:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <95B79033-B80C-48B7-9BA5-824B36A48660@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312163941.0087a6c0@earthlink.net> As the kids say "eeeeeeww" Actually some servicer has dropped glue on the bias trap inductors so the setting would not change. They are fine. The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the bias transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias circuit. tom brucker At 10:11 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >hi.. > >i was just looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap values, as >it hasn't recorded anything so some time.. > >i noticed though that these two components look like they've received >too much current and melted slightly: > >look a this photo linked here: > >http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg > > >i only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I >cannot be 100% of the component.. > >is this damage still the likely result of orange caps going bad? > > >thanks > >adrian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 12 23:50:33 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <20070312194356.85390.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070312225034.89222.qmail@web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I believe he said to much wire in the circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 penny's shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 00:00:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:00:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks Message-ID: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 13 00:21:00 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:21:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <016001c764df$27a41da0$0961659b@lcb105> References: <016001c764df$27a41da0$0961659b@lcb105> Message-ID: <45F5E05C.3070508@rcn.com> I just have one, concerning the EQ mod. If you already have the mod installed on your CR-7, you don't need it. If you want it, let me know off list. If you come across any other service bulletins for the CR-7, I'll appreciate a copy. -- Ron Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Who has resources for service bulletins on the naks. > > I am looking for CR7's service bulletins. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 13 00:35:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:35:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 does not play In-Reply-To: <20070312200343.9DC9492006@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070312200343.9DC9492006@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <45F5E3BB.8060602@rcn.com> dan moy wrote: > Hello All, > > I purchased another BX-300 as a spare (the addication begins). It does > not play and has the following symptoms: > > (1) the power button works but some times it look like the deck is not > getting enough power as the lights/counter numbers are dim. I would start by checking the power supply. Continue only after faults have been located and fixed. > (2) When everything is dim the conter numbers will flash on an off. May go away after you fix the power supply. > (3) When playing (when it appears to have full-power) the level leds > work but the there is no sound with the exception of a few scratch sounds. Too many things could cause this. Some of them could overload the supply, causing the symptoms above. > (4) The level sliders do nothing the output seems to be stuck at full. This one is new to me. I wonder if someone has modified the deck? If so, it should be easy to modify back. > Should I dive in or leave it for parts? It's up to you. *I* would fix it -- mainly, because I enjoy fixing things. > Is there anything I can do such as cleaning etc. that would help? I doubt cleaning and such would do much good. This kind of thing calls for signal tracing, fault isolation and repair. > or should I send it to someone, if so who should I send it to? Send it to Tom Brucker: Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 -- Ron > > Thanks, > Dan From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 13 00:36:39 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:36:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <20070312194356.85390.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a subjective thing, of course, but I preferred my ZX9 over a nice CR7. So, I eventually sold the latter. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 12 March 2007 19:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: 12 March 2007 22:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks I believe he said to much wire in the circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 penny's -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Tue Mar 13 01:12:56 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:12:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Pretty Good Deal References: <20070312200343.9DC9492006@xprdmxin.myway.com> <45F5E3BB.8060602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826D21@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> Cassette Deck 2, just picked it up for $20 from a local shop. Cleaned, aligned, 90 day warranty. Doesn't sound too bad. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 01:36:20 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070313003620.32651.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let Mr. Sank get to the horde of Naks that he has not returned from many of us prior to contemplating a rewire of a ZX 9. Actually, I called Mr Sank up today and pleaded with him to return my Dragon that is in his possession since 08/2006.( and sitting there with no attention to date!) He promised to return it( unfixed, of course) within 2 weeks. i hope he does. I have nothing against the man except that if he can not get to something he should be polite enough to let us know and not promise every month that he shall get to it next week..... and should stop accepting new work. period. I am sure I am not the only one with this gripe with Mr. Sank. I shall rather listen to my deck refurbished by anyone qualified( theres a few of them still there) , than hope to( in vain) get a Sanktified deck. I know I am going to offend a lot of you Sanktified Nakkers, but this is a free forum and this is my honest personal opinion on repairs. Sorry! Ram Graham Nelson wrote: That's right, Russ. He also said he fancied one day to rewire a ZX-9 ... should anyone fancy, or who dares, to part with their ZX9 for a long time! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: 12 March 2007 22:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks I believe he said to much wire in the circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 penny's ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Mar 13 02:57:20 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <20070312194356.85390.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070313015720.95295.qmail@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: No two recording decks can have the same set of heads azimuth unless you are playing a tape out from the same deck that you have made the recording. Your deck may have the perfect head azimuth while you made the recording and if it is going to playback through your same deck, the result might be perfect but it does not necessary mean the your same tape will play the same result on others' decks. Now are you going say others' decks are not good enough? Your same tape will give a very good result when play on a deck with playback head azimuth control as your deck. A pre-recorded commerical tape plays much better on a deck with playback head azimuth control compare with those that don't and that is only limited to MHO on my setup. The result may not be the same on your setup though, Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Tue Mar 13 03:06:10 2007 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:06:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all: I am not surprised of the accolades the Zx-9 is currently generating. I recall a conversation I had several years ago with the head technician at Nakamichi USA. He told me in no uncertain terms that the best Nak ever created was the ZX-9 and he had seen them all and fixed them all. I was able to get in touch with him a couple years ago and I asked him again of his thoughts and his response was no different. Today I have four Naks, two of which are nines. I continue to be amazed by these masterpieces and sometimes I feel kind of guilty having them....it just seems to good to be true. A while back I too disposed of Dragon and CR7 both excellent machines in preference of the nines. Take care all! boogie >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:36:39 -0000 > >It's a subjective thing, of course, but I preferred my ZX9 over a nice CR7. >So, I eventually sold the latter. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of shanti ramachandran > Sent: 12 March 2007 19:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks > > > John, > > You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the >1000zxl >is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! > > I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. >Not >even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback >azimuth adjusted. > > Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording >whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other >machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the >azimuth aberration. > > I dont know what the magic is but thats it. > > I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to >excessive circuitry in it. > > He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone >else's biased opinion. > > No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York >Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company >pulled the plug on the cassette medium. > > Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. > Ram > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate & Sun http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 From lenaw at flash.net Tue Mar 13 03:08:47 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901329.83964.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 03:28:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <20070313015720.95295.qmail@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070313022811.91606.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with the relativeness of set ups and individuality of the decks. No doubt. I have a unique situation whereby my ZX9 outplays any of my other nine Naks, including the Dragon and 2 CR7s after all azimuth corrections are done. The dragon has too sharp a sound( may be the electronics- great no doubt, and the cr7 is too cd ish!--but the ZX9 for whatever the reason may be, sounds better than them all, every time, even on prerecorded crap! Its just what one wants to hear! No coloration, no harshness, just smooth sweet sound! Analogue sound! Coincidentally, my ZX9 is the only one that has never seen a shop or been serviced( except my own demags and cleanings). all the others have been some place or the other. Therefore my affinity to the ZX9. May be I am biased. I have reason to i sincerely believe. Thanks for your retort Mike. Thats what makes this forum great. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: No two recording decks can have the same set of heads azimuth unless you are playing a tape out from the same deck that you have made the recording. Your deck may have the perfect head azimuth while you made the recording and if it is going to playback through your same deck, the result might be perfect but it does not necessary mean the your same tape will play the same result on others' decks. Now are you going say others' decks are not good enough? Your same tape will give a very good result when play on a deck with playback head azimuth control as your deck. A pre-recorded commerical tape plays much better on a deck with playback head azimuth control compare with those that don't and that is only limited to MHO on my setup. The result may not be the same on your setup though, Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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I finally figured out why it wouldn't work the other day and am now back in Nak bliss in my car after a prolonged period in the desert of NO mobile audio!! Life is good and will be better once I get that ZX-niner back from ya and start my evil endevors all over again.............AAAAAHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! Tee Bagnanimous From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 03:31:35 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <837702.83870.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Boogie, Thats my experience with the ZX9 too. Absolutely stunning. I am willing touse all the positive superlatives available to the English laguage to this one single machine. May be its a blessing it never had a floating playback head!????? I think I am going to hear some attacks soon! Keep em coming. Enjoy Analogue. Nak..nak..nakkkk.nakkkkk.lol Ram boogie man wrote: Hi all: I am not surprised of the accolades the Zx-9 is currently generating. I recall a conversation I had several years ago with the head technician at Nakamichi USA. He told me in no uncertain terms that the best Nak ever created was the ZX-9 and he had seen them all and fixed them all. I was able to get in touch with him a couple years ago and I asked him again of his thoughts and his response was no different. Today I have four Naks, two of which are nines. I continue to be amazed by these masterpieces and sometimes I feel kind of guilty having them....it just seems to good to be true. A while back I too disposed of Dragon and CR7 both excellent machines in preference of the nines. Take care all! boogie >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:36:39 -0000 > >It's a subjective thing, of course, but I preferred my ZX9 over a nice CR7. >So, I eventually sold the latter. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf >Of shanti ramachandran > Sent: 12 March 2007 19:44 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks > > > John, > > You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the >1000zxl >is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! > > I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. >Not >even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback >azimuth adjusted. > > Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording >whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other >machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the >azimuth aberration. > > I dont know what the magic is but thats it. > > I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to >excessive circuitry in it. > > He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone >else's biased opinion. > > No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York >Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company >pulled the plug on the cassette medium. > > Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. > Ram > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate & Sun http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 03:34:33 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: <901329.83964.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <584131.96263.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, I would too like to own a well functionng ZXL no doubt. Thats why we are all Nakkers and Nak and other cassette deck collectors....arent most of us? Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 03:35:49 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070313023550.60056.qmail@web50009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> yea he did do it and said that it was amazing how much better it sounded after he had shorten as much wire that would allow and it sound much better, me i don't know I never had the opportunity to have such a deck, be nice to have one. and the time thing gotcha. I'm not trying to start anything. thanks Graham Graham Nelson wrote: That's right, Russ. He also said he fancied one day to rewire a ZX-9 ... should anyone fancy, or who dares, to part with their ZX9 for a long time! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: 12 March 2007 22:51 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks I believe he said to much wire in the circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 penny's ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 06:28:08 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks Message-ID: <446407.84392.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You know what a statement the ZXLs would make when it stands amongs your collection of decks. Aside from that, its just amazing how far Nak engineers pushed digital technology to achieve Auto-Cal. Consider that in 87, it was so much easier and reliable with the CR7. And yet, they took it sky high by using four frequencies for calibration and 256 different calibration possibilites. I do agree that its far too complex, and things have a chance to go wrong. But the great news is that the major things like the processors rarely fail. Its one of those generic logic ICs which I also see failing in my 680ZXs. That all said, sometimes its easier to fall in love with the ZX9 for the performance it gives with the simplicity within with its achieved, or the Dragon for that warm, clear sound with NAAC which makes playing other tapes a breeze. But like any other deck, when serviced and set-up, it plays. Which other decks can give you published playback response of +/- 0.75 dB full range. And if you look within the SM, they are the decks for which playback response curve is extended well beyond 30kHz. And beyond specs, the magic continues when you actually listen to how sweet and musical these trouble-some monsters can be. One word of advice my dad gave me, listening is believing. BG ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:34:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks Mike, I would too like to own a well functionng ZXL no doubt. Thats why we are all Nakkers and Nak and other cassette deck collectors....arent most of us? Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 09:52:09 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:52:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks Message-ID: <8C9336404F74B99-106C-BC88@webmail-de18.sysops.aol.com> Hi Mike, I agree about the ZXL. Obviously though Nakamichi missed a trick. They should have built a ZXL with double direct drive and optional NAAC with a flip mech like the RX in a black steel case. Now that would be something to see!!! Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 13 10:14:56 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070312154749.0086e640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070313091456.10284.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Adrian, the glue I had great luck with is the brand "surehold" part number SH-302. www.surehold.com Bob Hi Tech wrote: Is the lever broken, or the clamp that holds the flexible cable. If the lever is bad I can send one from our donated NakTalk parts unit. I have seen people epoxy the clamp. There is a better way, but it is tough to desribe. tom brucker At 07:21 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >hi ben > >what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? > >i have a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried >expoxying it yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be >quite a strong joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. > >cheers > >adrian > >On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > >> It has to be the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays >> fantastic. I would say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head >> deck is essential. Keep the 600 for your long term project. There >> is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay which won't eject but is otherwise fine >> apparently. I notice it is missing it's feet also. The eject >> issue is an easy repair and it's very cheap at the moment. If it >> was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. BTW The meters are fantastic. >> Ben >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > >---------------------------------------- > >greatbear design & computer support > >0117 985 0500 >adrian at thegreatbear.net >www.thegreatbear.net >58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 10:34:13 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New NakTalker Message-ID: <273913.63139.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Although it choose to disagree somewhat about the ZXL, welcome to Naktalk nevertheless! The experience and knowledge will really make the forum more enriching and fun to be. Welcome John! Regards Bala At 10:47 AM 3/12/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue Mar 13 14:04:29 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:04:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] control motor Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Mar 13 16:47:47 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:47:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome In-Reply-To: <200703122343.l2CNh0Dr004675@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703122343.l2CNh0Dr004675@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C9339E14F7C315-E68-1EC7@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Hi All Thanks for the welcoming comments and emails from Ram, Ian Ramsey, Martin Short, David King, Tom Brucker, and Bala. Martin - yes I am in Brisbane. Am I still practising? - I'm a bit like a plumber with a leaky tap - my ZX-7 is desperate for a big service and I'm trying to set aside a few hours for it. I will dabble from time to time - I enjoy working on particular models and " if I don't use it, I'll lose it". Tom - I don't have a full set of original Nakamichi belts - I have found a number of generics that work well. To me the more difficult issues of recent years have been rollers, idlers, and take-up and supply assemblies for the dual capstan transport found in models such as the 480 etc. David - Hi - I'll look up your 482 in my database - I visit Toowoomba every now and then. Not wishing to be offensive, but who is Steve Sank? Does he really not like the ZX-9? It's hard to imagine a Nakamichi guru who doesn't like that model. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 51 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted (adrian at thegreatbear.net) 2. Re: The 600 / 680 (adrian at thegreatbear.net) 3. New NakTalker (Hi Tech) 4. Re: 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted (Hi Tech) 5. Re: Noise Reduction in Nak Decks (Russ Seals) 6. Noise Reduction in Nak Decks (Benstratford at aol.com) 7. Re: service bulletins (Ron) 8. Re: BX-300 does not play (Ron) 9. RE: Noise Reduction in Nak Decks (Graham Nelson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:11:07 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <95B79033-B80C-48B7-9BA5-824B36A48660 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi.. i was just looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap values, as it hasn't recorded anything so some time.. i noticed though that these two components look like they've received too much current and melted slightly: look a this photo linked here: http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg i only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I cannot be 100% of the component.. is this damage still the likely result of orange caps going bad? thanks adrian ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:18:30 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi tom.. it's the lever, snapped just by the pivot inside, near where the small return spring attaches to.. a recycled replacement would be great, i'll contact you off list with details.. thanks adrian On 12 Mar 2007, at 21:47, Hi Tech wrote: > Is the lever broken, or the clamp that holds the flexible cable. If > the > lever is bad I can send one from our donated NakTalk parts unit. I > have > seen people epoxy the clamp. There is a better way, but it is tough to > desribe. > > tom brucker > > At 07:21 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >> hi ben >> >> what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? >> >> i have a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried >> expoxying it yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be >> quite a strong joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. >> >> cheers >> >> adrian >> >> On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> >>> It has to be the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays >>> fantastic. I would say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head >>> deck is essential. Keep the 600 for your long term project. There >>> is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay which won't eject but is otherwise fine >>> apparently. I notice it is missing it's feet also. The eject >>> issue is an easy repair and it's very cheap at the moment. If it >>> was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. BTW The meters are fantastic. >>> Ben >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> greatbear design & computer support >> >> 0117 985 0500 >> adrian at thegreatbear.net >> www.thegreatbear.net >> 58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ---------------------------------------- greatbear design & computer support 0117 985 0500 adrian at thegreatbear.net www.thegreatbear.net 58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:31:18 -0600 From: Hi Tech Subject: [naktalk] New NakTalker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312163118.00870bf0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome John, There is an interesting trend here that those professional Nakamichi servicers have never lost their passion for the decks. Let's hope we can encourage others from other countries to join in, or at least keep the parts available! Parts are a huge problem here in the US and in the UK. There are 2 ongoing efforts here that you might enjoy. One is to find a manufacturer to copy the classic 680 capstan belt (and the others if we can get samples). I have one left and John Nelson has one if needed. If you had one of each of the Nakamichi capstan belts , the 700, the 500, 680, BX300, ZX9, BX1, then I would urge you to preserve and reserve one in the off chance we can find someone to manufacture them. Our second project is to reproduce the alignment gauges, and make some tapes. We have a set of the 1st generation gauges that will be sent to 3 NakTalkers with the ability to make engineering drawings and contacts in the machine tool business to have some sets built. It is all kind of fun! tom brucker At 10:47 AM 3/12/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:39:41 -0600 From: Hi Tech Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070312163941.0087a6c0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As the kids say "eeeeeeww" Actually some servicer has dropped glue on the bias trap inductors so the setting would not change. They are fine. The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the bias transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias circuit. tom brucker At 10:11 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you wrote: >hi.. > >i was just looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap values, as >it hasn't recorded anything so some time.. > >i noticed though that these two components look like they've received >too much current and melted slightly: > >look a this photo linked here: > >http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg > > >i only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I >cannot be 100% of the component.. > >is this damage still the likely result of orange caps going bad? > > >thanks > >adrian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <20070312225034.89222.qmail at web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe he said to much wire in the circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 penny's shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070312/bb10936d/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:21:00 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] service bulletins To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <45F5E05C.3070508 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just have one, concerning the EQ mod. If you already have the mod installed on your CR-7, you don't need it. If you want it, let me know off list. If you come across any other service bulletins for the CR-7, I'll appreciate a copy. -- Ron Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Who has resources for service bulletins on the naks. > > I am looking for CR7's service bulletins. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:35:23 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 does not play To: moydan at excite.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <45F5E3BB.8060602 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed dan moy wrote: > Hello All, > > I purchased another BX-300 as a spare (the addication begins). It does > not play and has the following symptoms: > > (1) the power button works but some times it look like the deck is not > getting enough power as the lights/counter numbers are dim. I would start by checking the power supply. Continue only after faults have been located and fixed. > (2) When everything is dim the conter numbers will flash on an off. May go away after you fix the power supply. > (3) When playing (when it appears to have full-power) the level leds > work but the there is no sound with the exception of a few scratch sounds. Too many things could cause this. Some of them could overload the supply, causing the symptoms above. > (4) The level sliders do nothing the output seems to be stuck at full. This one is new to me. I wonder if someone has modified the deck? If so, it should be easy to modify back. > Should I dive in or leave it for parts? It's up to you. *I* would fix it -- mainly, because I enjoy fixing things. > Is there anything I can do such as cleaning etc. that would help? I doubt cleaning and such would do much good. This kind of thing calls for signal tracing, fault isolation and repair. > or should I send it to someone, if so who should I send it to? Send it to Tom Brucker: Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 -- Ron > > Thanks, > Dan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:36:39 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's a subjective thing, of course, but I preferred my ZX9 over a nice CR7. So, I eventually sold the latter. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 12 March 2007 19:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 17:43:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:43:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: <901329.83964.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070313104349.00866620@earthlink.net> There is a 700ZXL on eBay now from a reputable seller (Audio Karma member) for those who can't wait for their 1000ZXL. The 700ZXL is only deck of the ultimate triumvirate that I have actually played with, and this was so long ago that I am not qualified to compare it to any other deck. I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. tom brucker At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 17:32:46 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:32:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world In-Reply-To: <20070313015720.95295.qmail@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070312194356.85390.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070313103246.00866620@earthlink.net> I am retitling this thread as it has focused on an interesting point. Mike's observation that correct azimuth can only be obtained by playback with the same head (deck) used for recording has some validity. This limits the user to two head decks. :(( In the real world, azimuth is not quite as stable as one might wish. Tape skew is the wild card which creates azimuth errors in ANY tape playback. Skew is the physical twisting of the tape that instantaneously renders a portion of the recorded signal advanced or retarded timewise within the width of the two tape tracks. An easy illustration is to imagine a fast pulse recorded on two stereo tracks. In perfect playback, the two pulses begin and end at exactly the same moment. Skew however, would cause one pulse to have a time offset relative to the other channel. Skew is always present, however it can be minimized. Pad lifters, metal cassette shells, lubricated tape, locking cassette holders, rigid deck baseplates, perfect pinch rollers, dual closed loop capstans, and non-sloppy capstan thrust bearings all lower skew. Higher tape speeds actually increase skew, but also reduce the time shift caused by the skew, to the point where skew effects are inaudible. Reel to reel tape machines have inaudible skew (no don't mention the 8 channel 1/4" Tascams) We can observe skew rather easily. Make a recording on your Nak of 18kHz at -20 Vu. Play back your recording, and observe meter instability, or better yet, phase instability using an X_Y oscilloscope display. Monitor playback in mono and listen for beats and level fluctuations. So if skew is such a problem, what did Nak do about it? The first step was to narrow the playback gap. This reduced skew's effect to the point where it was almost inaudible, however it required 3 heads to be able to record! When the 1000 was designed, (a "combo" 3 head design had not been envisioned) the great distance between the two heads ADDED azimuth and skew errors The basic idea of adjustable play head azimuth revolutionized cassette playback as much as the 3 head concept did. The subsequent engineering history of Nakamichi was to further reduce tape skew, but it wasn't until the Dragon's conception that the dream of tape interchangibility, near perfect playback of tapes recorded by another machine, was realized. What the Dragon does is monitor the high frequency phase of the two playback channels, and self-adjust for differences in azimuth, and to some extent, skew. What the Dragon cannot do, by design, is adjust quickly enough to compensate for all skew, but remember, all the other skew reduction techniques incorporated in the basic Nakamichi designs have reduced skew below audibility. So why then is the Dragon second fiddle to the ZX7 for recording? I believe the answer is not found in superior azimuth correction or skew control, but in the fundamental head differences. Only 70% of the Dragon's play head track width is available for playback, the other 30% is fed to the azimuth circuit. This creates a handicap, if you will, that gives the record/play advantage to the ZX7. For the Nakamichi owner who loves to share tapes, and listen to prerecorded tapes, there is no better deck than the Dragon. If you record all your own tapes, then the whole series from the 482Z through the 1000ZXL provides many choices in automation that will make a "better" tape than the Dragon can make by itself. As always, we are so lucky to have the choices. I hope you understand a bit more why there is no single best Nakamichi. tom brucker At 06:57 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ram: No two recording decks can have the same set of heads azimuth unless you are playing a tape out from the same deck that you have made the recording. Your deck may have the perfect head azimuth while you made the recording and if it is going to playback through your same deck, the result might be perfect but it does not necessary mean the your same tape will play the same result on others' decks. Now are you going say others' decks are not good enough? Your same tape will give a very good result when play on a deck with playback head azimuth control as your deck. A pre-recorded commerical tape plays much better on a deck with playback head azimuth control compare with those that don't and that is only limited to MHO on my setup. The result may not be the same on your setup though, Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 17:05:30 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:05:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome In-Reply-To: <8C9339E14F7C315-E68-1EC7@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <200703122343.l2CNh0Dr004675@zxe.naks.com> <8C9339E14F7C315-E68-1EC7@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10703130905p488f84d9n67677670cf7f0130@mail.gmail.com> John, Stephen Sank only said that he does not understand why the ZX-9 has such excessively long (in his opinion) signal paths under the cover - and the ones he modified by shortening the runs of wires (by several feet, as far as I can remember) apparently "sound better". I imagine his frustration was that an excellent machine could have been easily made even better if the wiring wasn't designed so poorly - again, in his opinion. I have never owned ZX-9, modified or not, so cannot comment on its merits. I am only trying to repeat from memory what was discussed at the time in this forum. George On 3/13/07, johngipps at aol.com wrote: > > Hi All > > Thanks for the welcoming comments and emails from Ram, Ian Ramsey, Martin > Short, David King, Tom Brucker, and Bala. > > Martin - yes I am in Brisbane. Am I still practising? - I'm a bit like a > plumber with a leaky tap - my ZX-7 is desperate for a big service and I'm > trying to set aside a few hours for it. I will dabble from time to time - I > enjoy working on particular models and " if I don't use it, I'll lose it". > > Tom - I don't have a full set of original Nakamichi belts - I have found a > number of generics that work well. To me the more difficult issues of recent > years have been rollers, idlers, and take-up and supply assemblies for the > dual capstan transport found in models such as the 480 etc. > > David - Hi - I'll look up your 482 in my database - I visit Toowoomba every > now and then. > > Not wishing to be offensive, but who is Steve Sank? Does he really not like > the ZX-9? It's hard to imagine a Nakamichi guru who doesn't like that model. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 9:43 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 51 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or > unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, > send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You > can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When > replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: > Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's > Topics: 1. 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted > (adrian at thegreatbear.net) 2. Re: The 600 / 680 (adrian at thegreatbear.net) > 3. New NakTalker (Hi Tech) 4. Re: 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted > (Hi Tech) 5. Re: Noise Reduction in Nak Decks (Russ Seals) 6. Noise > Reduction in Nak Decks (Benstratford at aol.com) 7. Re: service bulletins > (Ron) 8. Re: BX-300 does not play (Ron) 9. RE: Noise Reduction in Nak > Decks (Graham > Nelson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: > 1 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:11:07 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" > Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like > they've melted To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <95B79033-B80C-48B7-9BA5-824B36A48660 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi.. i was just > looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap values, as it hasn't recorded > anything so some time.. i noticed though that these two components look > like they've received too much current and melted slightly: look a this > photo linked > here: http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg i > only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I cannot > be 100% of the component.. is this damage still the likely result of orange > caps going bad? thanks adrian ------------------------------ Message: > 2 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:18:30 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600 / 680 To: Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi tom.. it's the > lever, snapped just by the pivot inside, near where the small return spring > attaches to.. a recycled replacement would be great, i'll contact you off > list with details.. thanks adrian On 12 Mar 2007, at 21:47, Hi Tech > wrote: > Is the lever broken, or the clamp that holds the flexible cable. > If > the > lever is bad I can send one from our donated NakTalk parts unit. > I > have > seen people epoxy the clamp. There is a better way, but it is > tough to > desribe. > > tom brucker > > At 07:21 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you > wrote: >> hi ben >> >> what's your fix for the 680 eject issue? >> >> i have > a 682ZX with a broken eject lever inside.. i haven't tried >> expoxying it > yet.. does this work? It seems like it would need to be >> quite a strong > joint, maybe stronger than glue could hold. >> >> cheers >> >> adrian >> >> > On 12 Mar 2007, at 18:19, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: >> >>> It has to be > the 680 for me. My favourite deck. Records / Plays >>> fantastic. I would > say that if you are taping a lot then a 3 head >>> deck is essential. Keep > the 600 for your long term project. There >>> is a "mint" 680 now on Ebay > which won't eject but is otherwise fine >>> apparently. I notice it is > missing it's feet also. The eject >>> issue is an easy repair and it's very > cheap at the moment. If it >>> was not 120V only, I'd be bidding. BTW The > meters are fantastic. >>> Ben >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> > ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> > ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> > ========= >> >> > ---------------------------------------- >> >> greatbear > design & computer support >> >> 0117 985 0500 >> adrian at thegreatbear.net >> > www.thegreatbear.net >> 58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, BS3 4NT. >> >> >> >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville > Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= ---------------------------------------- greatbear > design & computer support 0117 985 > 0500 adrian at thegreatbear.net www.thegreatbear.net 58 Cotswold Road, Bristol, > BS3 4NT. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Mar > 2007 16:31:18 -0600 From: Hi Tech Subject: > [naktalk] New NakTalker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <3.0.3.32.20070312163118.00870bf0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome John, There is an interesting trend > here that those professional Nakamichi servicers have never lost their > passion for the decks. Let's hope we can encourage others from other > countries to join in, or at least keep the parts available! Parts are a huge > problem here in the US and in the UK. There are 2 ongoing efforts here that > you might enjoy. One is to find a manufacturer to copy the classic 680 > capstan belt (and the others if we can get samples). I have one left and > John Nelson has one if needed. If you had one of each of the Nakamichi > capstan belts , the 700, the 500, 680, BX300, ZX9, BX1, then I would urge > you to preserve and reserve one in the off chance we can find someone to > manufacture them. Our second project is to reproduce the alignment gauges, > and make some tapes. We have a set of the 1st generation gauges that will be > sent to 3 NakTalkers with the ability to make engineering drawings and > contacts in the machine tool business to have some sets built. It is all > kind of fun! tom brucker At 10:47 AM 3/12/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Hi > All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". > To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the > "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for > the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. > performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in > Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, > 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine > I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in > my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still > have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, > and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on > some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy > a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior > machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much > better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still > keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long > gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C > in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between > painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on > one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the > recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby > C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would > do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to > the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 > - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - > they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making > a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would > encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby > off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can > overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment > errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more > acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL > at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom > Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN > 37211 615.331.9250 fax > 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: > 4 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:39:41 -0600 From: Hi Tech > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like > they've melted To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <3.0.3.32.20070312163941.0087a6c0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As the kids say "eeeeeeww" Actually some > servicer has dropped glue on the bias trap inductors so the setting would > not change. They are fine. The 680 series really only needs the 2 small > orange caps near the bias transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to > find the bias circuit. tom brucker At 10:11 PM 3/12/07 +0000, you > wrote: >hi.. > >i was just looking in my 680, noting down the orange cap > values, as >it hasn't recorded anything so some time.. > >i noticed though > that these two components look like they've received >too much current and > melted slightly: > >look a this photo linked > here: > >http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/nak_680_L101_L201.jpg > > >i > only have the 680ZX service manual, not the 680 service manual so I >cannot > be 100% of the component.. > >is this damage still the likely result of > orange caps going > bad? > > >thanks > >adrian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom > Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN > 37211 615.331.9250 fax > 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: > 5 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Russ Seals > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: > <20070312225034.89222.qmail at web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe he said to much wire in the > circuitry way more than necessary form what he has said to me. just my 2 > penny's shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You > sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a > mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love > my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even > the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth > adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue > recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for > all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition > to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. > I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to > excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to > believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi > Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of > their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the > cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. > Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me > know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little > history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and > non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for > many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int > - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and > serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer > operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still > in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be > impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, > alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection > of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see > raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if > brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, > ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more > compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, > some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer > available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly > adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly > adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the > other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. > So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be > amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The > important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape > before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my > opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they > don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a > tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would > encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby > off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can > overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment > errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more > acceptable. Regards John Gipps > --------------------------------- AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register > your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get > Yahoo! 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URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070312/93ec568a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: > 6 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:00:58 EDT From: Benstratford at aol.com Subject: > [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years > older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct > drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the > settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 > which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used > to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM > functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone > options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have > individually attractive options depending on the users situation / > preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is > certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070312/bb10936d/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: > 7 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:21:00 -0500 From: Ron Subject: > Re: [naktalk] service bulletins To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <45F5E05C.3070508 at rcn.com> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just have one, concerning > the EQ mod. If you already have the mod installed on your CR-7, you don't > need it. If you want it, let me know off list. If you come across any other > service bulletins for the CR-7, I'll appreciate a copy. -- Ron Victor > Gabrenas wrote: > Who has resources for service bulletins on the naks. > > > I am looking for CR7's service bulletins. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of > Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, > 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB ------------------------------ Message: > 8 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:35:23 -0500 From: Ron Subject: > Re: [naktalk] BX-300 does not play To: moydan at excite.com, Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: > <45F5E3BB.8060602 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed dan moy wrote: > Hello All, > > I purchased another BX-300 > as a spare (the addication begins). It does > not play and has the > following symptoms: > > (1) the power button works but some times it look > like the deck is not > getting enough power as the lights/counter numbers > are dim. I would start by checking the power supply. Continue only after > faults have been located and fixed. > (2) When everything is dim the conter > numbers will flash on an off. May go away after you fix the power > supply. > (3) When playing (when it appears to have full-power) the level > leds > work but the there is no sound with the exception of a few scratch > sounds. Too many things could cause this. Some of them could overload the > supply, causing the symptoms above. > (4) The level sliders do nothing the > output seems to be stuck at full. This one is new to me. I wonder if > someone has modified the deck? If so, it should be easy to modify back. > > Should I dive in or leave it for parts? It's up to you. *I* would fix it > -- mainly, because I enjoy fixing things. > Is there anything I can do such > as cleaning etc. that would help? I doubt cleaning and such would do much > good. This kind of thing calls for signal tracing, fault isolation and > repair. > or should I send it to someone, if so who should I send it > to? Send it to Tom Brucker: Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville > Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 -- Ron > > > Thanks, > Dan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Mar > 2007 23:36:39 -0000 From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak > Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's a subjective thing, of course, but I > preferred my ZX9 over a nice CR7. So, I eventually sold the latter. Gra' > -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti > ramachandran Sent: 12 March 2007 19:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise Reduction in Nak Decks John, You > sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a > mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my > ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the > mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth > adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue > recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for > all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to > the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I > even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due > to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to > believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi > Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of > their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the > cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. > Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... 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Find out more about what's free from > AOL at AOL.com. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lenaw at flash.net Tue Mar 13 17:10:04 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070313104349.00866620@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <379459.14873.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: Thanks for your tip. At the same time I believe the Z-5000/6000 decks from TEAC can let user(s) fully adjust the Bias, Level and Equalization manually on each channel ( L and R ) for all three major types of tapes during recording. Bascially you can get a very flat response of any tape using these decks. These two decks only lack the record head azimuth adjustment control that Nak has. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: There is a 700ZXL on eBay now from a reputable seller (Audio Karma member) for those who can't wait for their 1000ZXL. The 700ZXL is only deck of the ultimate triumvirate that I have actually played with, and this was so long ago that I am not qualified to compare it to any other deck. I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. tom brucker At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 17:30:46 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:30:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: <8C933A4165FD20B-1D04-811@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Victor, I also have one called CR-7 Troubleshooting. (17 Pages) Not sure where from. Can email a copy if req'd. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 13 17:51:19 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <8C933A4165FD20B-1D04-811@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <303346.23992.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I'll take a copy. I assume it's on your PC and not a paper copy? If it's a paper copy, don't bother. I don't have a CR7 now but you never know what tomorrow brings! Bob benstratford at aol.com wrote: Victor, I also have one called CR-7 Troubleshooting. (17 Pages) Not sure where from. Can email a copy if req'd. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moklaba at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 17:53:37 2007 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi car audio DIN cable needed Message-ID: <108190.56850.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking for a 13 pin din cable to connect a nakamichi head/changer controller unit to a nakamichi cd changer...if you have one that you'd be willing to part with pls name your price and let me know. thanks, Jeff (moklaba at yahoo.com) --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Mar 13 17:55:25 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (WMEDrewes) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:55:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins References: <8C933A4165FD20B-1D04-811@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004a01c76590$6797dc10$95d017c4@home2ljpdf7x1c> Ben, Please email a copy(CR7 trouble shooting) to me .It will be very appreciated ! ! ! For those of you who have resrructed their 1000ZXLs ,is there no way one can twist your arm to produce a trouble shoot for this machine?You would engrave your names in every Nak 1000ZXL owners hearts.I am afraid this machine will be lost to Nakofficiendos soon if this is not recorded! I know it would be a pain to do so,but a completed Phd thesis is rewarding once it has been completed!! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Victor, I also have one called CR-7 Troubleshooting. (17 Pages) Not sure where from. Can email a copy if req'd. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 18:07:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 Message-ID: <188335.37021.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. -- Well said Tom. And the journey is made more wonderful as we meet people like those here in Naktalk! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:43:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 There is a 700ZXL on eBay now from a reputable seller (Audio Karma member) for those who can't wait for their 1000ZXL. The 700ZXL is only deck of the ultimate triumvirate that I have actually played with, and this was so long ago that I am not qualified to compare it to any other deck. I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. tom brucker At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 18:11:06 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: <242403.37924.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walter, I have made plenty of notes in the troubleshooting and repair of ZXL machines, down to the component level.I've yet to find time to put everything on the internet, but here's a start. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: WMEDrewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:55:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] service bulletins Ben, Please email a copy(CR7 trouble shooting) to me .It will be very appreciated ! ! ! For those of you who have resrructed their 1000ZXLs ,is there no way one can twist your arm to produce a trouble shoot for this machine?You would engrave your names in every Nak 1000ZXL owners hearts.I am afraid this machine will be lost to Nakofficiendos soon if this is not recorded! I know it would be a pain to do so,but a completed Phd thesis is rewarding once it has been completed!! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Victor, I also have one called CR-7 Troubleshooting. (17 Pages) Not sure where from. Can email a copy if req'd. 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Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 19:25:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:25:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070313104349.00866620@earthlink.net> References: <901329.83964.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070313122528.00866cb0@earthlink.net> Sorry ZXE. not ZXL At 10:43 AM 3/13/07 -0600, you wrote: >There is a 700ZXL on eBay now from a reputable seller (Audio Karma member) >for those who can't wait for their 1000ZXL. > The 700ZXL is only deck of the ultimate triumvirate that I have >actually played with, and this was so long ago that I am not qualified to >compare it to any other deck. >I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the >700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No >other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. >There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of >these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs >on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue >the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about >the journey. > >tom brucker > > At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> >Ben: > Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early >80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few >of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then >consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the >complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak >never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. > > In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think >any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. > > You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the >same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford >it still enjoy them out there. > > Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just >bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. > > > Best Regards, >Mike > > > >Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > >Ram, > Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and >uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After >auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them >later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted >for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type >on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever >giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very >useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options >depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely >locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely >convenient always. > Ben >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ><<<< > > >Tom Brucker CSM >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 19:23:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:23:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi car audio DIN cable needed In-Reply-To: <108190.56850.qm@web31102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070313122338.00865c80@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1245 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 19:17:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:17:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: <379459.14873.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070313104349.00866620@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070313121734.00864a50@earthlink.net> The TEAC approach has always been more reel-to -reel like as far as setup is concerned. Teacs set bias at peak output (1kHz IIRC) and then eq the record high frequency for flat rsponse. Nakamichis overbias, matching 400Hz to 20kHZ levels, and use fixed high frequency EQ. The ZXL adds mid treble EQ to the adjustments, something no other deck manufacturer did. This would flatten 8kHz to 12kHz . tom brucker At 09:10 AM 3/13/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom: Thanks for your tip. At the same time I believe the Z-5000/6000 decks from TEAC can let user(s) fully adjust the Bias, Level and Equalization manually on each channel ( L and R ) for all three major types of tapes during recording. Bascially you can get a very flat response of any tape using these decks. These two decks only lack the record head azimuth adjustment control that Nak has. Regards, Mike Hi Tech wrote: There is a 700ZXL on eBay now from a reputable seller (Audio Karma member) for those who can't wait for their 1000ZXL. The 700ZXL is only deck of the ultimate triumvirate that I have actually played with, and this was so long ago that I am not qualified to compare it to any other deck. I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. tom brucker At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 19:03:48 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070313103246.00866620@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <220457.23981.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I may have to differ on your views of dragon recording compared to ZX9 ( or for that matter any other Nak). Since Dragon record head or record circuit and components almost match that of any other machine ( Excepting 1000ZXL/700ZXL having more tuned play/record circuitry to achieve better control of flatness). I have always observed variation of flatness in both line amplifiers and play/record amplifiers of many naks. So sound is not same for zx9 compared to dragon. And personal preferences play a part in model preference. Among the many Naks I heard CR7 seems to have a better electronics - probably due to some of its components rather than basic schematics. But having said that the differences exist- they are very small shade different but always beautiful record / replay provided heads are in alignment. I wish Nakamichi had better line amplifiers ! Did anybody check the flatmess of line in to out keeping the monitor button to source and check the flatness? any of the Naks including 1000ZXL? Kannan Hi Tech wrote: I am retitling this thread as it has focused on an interesting point. Mike's observation that correct azimuth can only be obtained by playback with the same head (deck) used for recording has some validity. This limits the user to two head decks. :(( In the real world, azimuth is not quite as stable as one might wish. Tape skew is the wild card which creates azimuth errors in ANY tape playback. Skew is the physical twisting of the tape that instantaneously renders a portion of the recorded signal advanced or retarded timewise within the width of the two tape tracks. An easy illustration is to imagine a fast pulse recorded on two stereo tracks. In perfect playback, the two pulses begin and end at exactly the same moment. Skew however, would cause one pulse to have a time offset relative to the other channel. Skew is always present, however it can be minimized. Pad lifters, metal cassette shells, lubricated tape, locking cassette holders, rigid deck baseplates, perfect pinch rollers, dual closed loop capstans, and non-sloppy capstan thrust bearings all lower skew. Higher tape speeds actually increase skew, but also reduce the time shift caused by the skew, to the point where skew effects are inaudible. Reel to reel tape machines have inaudible skew (no don't mention the 8 channel 1/4" Tascams) We can observe skew rather easily. Make a recording on your Nak of 18kHz at -20 Vu. Play back your recording, and observe meter instability, or better yet, phase instability using an X_Y oscilloscope display. Monitor playback in mono and listen for beats and level fluctuations. So if skew is such a problem, what did Nak do about it? The first step was to narrow the playback gap. This reduced skew's effect to the point where it was almost inaudible, however it required 3 heads to be able to record! When the 1000 was designed, (a "combo" 3 head design had not been envisioned) the great distance between the two heads ADDED azimuth and skew errors The basic idea of adjustable play head azimuth revolutionized cassette playback as much as the 3 head concept did. The subsequent engineering history of Nakamichi was to further reduce tape skew, but it wasn't until the Dragon's conception that the dream of tape interchangibility, near perfect playback of tapes recorded by another machine, was realized. What the Dragon does is monitor the high frequency phase of the two playback channels, and self-adjust for differences in azimuth, and to some extent, skew. What the Dragon cannot do, by design, is adjust quickly enough to compensate for all skew, but remember, all the other skew reduction techniques incorporated in the basic Nakamichi designs have reduced skew below audibility. So why then is the Dragon second fiddle to the ZX7 for recording? I believe the answer is not found in superior azimuth correction or skew control, but in the fundamental head differences. Only 70% of the Dragon's play head track width is available for playback, the other 30% is fed to the azimuth circuit. This creates a handicap, if you will, that gives the record/play advantage to the ZX7. For the Nakamichi owner who loves to share tapes, and listen to prerecorded tapes, there is no better deck than the Dragon. If you record all your own tapes, then the whole series from the 482Z through the 1000ZXL provides many choices in automation that will make a "better" tape than the Dragon can make by itself. As always, we are so lucky to have the choices. I hope you understand a bit more why there is no single best Nakamichi. tom brucker At 06:57 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ram: No two recording decks can have the same set of heads azimuth unless you are playing a tape out from the same deck that you have made the recording. Your deck may have the perfect head azimuth while you made the recording and if it is going to playback through your same deck, the result might be perfect but it does not necessary mean the your same tape will play the same result on others' decks. Now are you going say others' decks are not good enough? Your same tape will give a very good result when play on a deck with playback head azimuth control as your deck. A pre-recorded commerical tape plays much better on a deck with playback head azimuth control compare with those that don't and that is only limited to MHO on my setup. The result may not be the same on your setup though, Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at tp://www.aol.com>AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:08:08 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:08:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: Walter, A great idea. Both Bala and Luis have quite a bit of data on this, but we need to go further I think. What about a WIKI where we can all post our repair procedures on a page for each deck so others can read and refine for posterity. Like a virtual service history, similar to Scott's excellent collection. What do you think guys / girls? (CR-7 Troubleshooting sent separately). Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:10:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:10:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 Message-ID: Tom, What's the difference Technically? Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 13 19:16:00 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:16:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F6EA60.1090304@peromarta.org> CR7 troubleshooting guide: http://www.naks.com/servicebulletins/OOD-SI-3088_troubleshooting_cr7.pdf Regarding the WIKI, some of us are working on one. Wouter will let you know how to access when he feels like it's mature enough. Best rgds, LP. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Walter, > A great idea. Both Bala and Luis have quite a bit of data on this, but > we need to go further I think. What about a WIKI where we can all post > our repair procedures on a page for each deck so others can read and > refine for posterity. Like a virtual service history, similar to > Scott's excellent collection. What do you think guys / girls? > (CR-7 Troubleshooting sent separately). Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 13 19:19:16 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:19:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F6EB24.60801@peromarta.org> Well, ZX9 is all manual. ZXL is all automatic. The 1000 is able to adjust it's recording EQ to give flat response for *almost* any tape you trough in. It adjust the EQ in 4 or 5 different frequencies, not only level at 400HZ and bias at 15KHz. I don't remember the exact frequencies, but I could take a look if you are really interested. Best rgds, LP. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Tom, > What's the difference Technically? > Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:23:54 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:23:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 Message-ID: Sorry Luis, I mean't to ask the difference between the 700zxl and 700 zxe? Thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Mar 13 19:49:26 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81100.79437.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 700ZXE only has auto calibration on Bias and Level as well as Record Head Azimuth 700ZXL has auto calibration on Bias, Level, EQ as well as Record Head Azimuth So 700ZXL is closer to 1000ZXL while 700ZXE is closer to CR-7 and 682ZX ( 682ZX has Azimuth and Level automatic while Bias is manual ) Hope this help Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Sorry Luis, I mean't to ask the difference between the 700zxl and 700 zxe? Thanks, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 13 20:06:48 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:06:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Intermittent stop with Dragon Message-ID: Hi y'all, My Dragon is stopping intermittently in play mode in the forward direction only. Reverse direction is OK. Any thoughts as to what could cause this? thanks Jeff


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I do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a ZX9. No other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. There has to be an audible benefit from this that only the lucky owners of these machines can know. I also respect NakTalkers who listen to 1000ZXLs on a daily basis to report what they hear. Like Candide, we can pursue the "best of all possible worlds" forever, and not arrive! It is all about the journey. tom brucker At 07:08 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ben: Remember computerized A.L.B.E. is not an easy task in the early 80's when PC starts to take off at around the same time. That is why a few of other deck manufacturers can just be able to live with B.L.E. and then consider that a major achievement already. I think because of the complexity of the circuitry and most likely very expensive effort that Nak never try to put A.L.B.E. on any later decks for good. In the same time, when A.L.B.E. is working perfectly, I don't think any other Nak deck can beat the 1000ZXL. You can say that a LAMBORGHINI is great to drive and own but at the same time it is very unreliable as well but a lot of people who can afford it still enjoy them out there. Keep good care of your 1000ZXL and enjoy the real music. I just bought a ZX9 as well but I still like to own a 1000ZXL somedays. Best Regards, Mike Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, Not such a dinosaur, after all it's only 4 years older than the ZX-9 and uses the same heads but is belt drive not direct drive as you know. After auto calibrating on the ZXL, you can store the settings and recall them later for optimum results, not possible on ZX-9 which may then be adjusted for a different tape later. I have gotten used to only using one tape type on the ZX-9 to avoid this. Also the RAMM functionality is very clever giving random track selection. The microphone options are also very useful. As with many nak decks, many have individually attractive options depending on the users situation / preference. The ability to precisely locate the azimuth manually is certainly the ideal, but not entirely convenient always. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 20:48:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world In-Reply-To: <220457.23981.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401768.61193.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I somewhat tend to agree with Kannan. I have no issue with Toms observations either. Preferences are why we have so many decks....and to most of us its a HOBBY. Lets enjoy all the Naks sweetness one day at a time folks! They are all worth our while. Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: I may have to differ on your views of dragon recording compared to ZX9 ( or for that matter any other Nak). Since Dragon record head or record circuit and components almost match that of any other machine ( Excepting 1000ZXL/700ZXL having more tuned play/record circuitry to achieve better control of flatness). I have always observed variation of flatness in both line amplifiers and play/record amplifiers of many naks. So sound is not same for zx9 compared to dragon. And personal preferences play a part in model preference. Among the many Naks I heard CR7 seems to have a better electronics - probably due to some of its components rather than basic schematics. But having said that the differences exist- they are very small shade different but always beautiful record / replay provided heads are in alignment. I wish Nakamichi had better line amplifiers ! Did anybody check the flatmess of line in to out keeping the monitor button to source and check the flatness? any of the Naks including 1000ZXL? Kannan Hi Tech wrote: I am retitling this thread as it has focused on an interesting point. Mike's observation that correct azimuth can only be obtained by playback with the same head (deck) used for recording has some validity. This limits the user to two head decks. :(( In the real world, azimuth is not quite as stable as one might wish. Tape skew is the wild card which creates azimuth errors in ANY tape playback. Skew is the physical twisting of the tape that instantaneously renders a portion of the recorded signal advanced or retarded timewise within the width of the two tape tracks. An easy illustration is to imagine a fast pulse recorded on two stereo tracks. In perfect playback, the two pulses begin and end at exactly the same moment. Skew however, would cause one pulse to have a time offset relative to the other channel. Skew is always present, however it can be minimized. Pad lifters, metal cassette shells, lubricated tape, locking cassette holders, rigid deck baseplates, perfect pinch rollers, dual closed loop capstans, and non-sloppy capstan thrust bearings all lower skew. Higher tape speeds actually increase skew, but also reduce the time shift caused by the skew, to the point where skew effects are inaudible. Reel to reel tape machines have inaudible skew (no don't mention the 8 channel 1/4" Tascams) We can observe skew rather easily. Make a recording on your Nak of 18kHz at -20 Vu. Play back your recording, and observe meter instability, or better yet, phase instability using an X_Y oscilloscope display. Monitor playback in mono and listen for beats and level fluctuations. So if skew is such a problem, what did Nak do about it? The first step was to narrow the playback gap. This reduced skew's effect to the point where it was almost inaudible, however it required 3 heads to be able to record! When the 1000 was designed, (a "combo" 3 head design had not been envisioned) the great distance between the two heads ADDED azimuth and skew errors The basic idea of adjustable play head azimuth revolutionized cassette playback as much as the 3 head concept did. The subsequent engineering history of Nakamichi was to further reduce tape skew, but it wasn't until the Dragon's conception that the dream of tape interchangibility, near perfect playback of tapes recorded by another machine, was realized. What the Dragon does is monitor the high frequency phase of the two playback channels, and self-adjust for differences in azimuth, and to some extent, skew. What the Dragon cannot do, by design, is adjust quickly enough to compensate for all skew, but remember, all the other skew reduction techniques incorporated in the basic Nakamichi designs have reduced skew below audibility. So why then is the Dragon second fiddle to the ZX7 for recording? I believe the answer is not found in superior azimuth correction or skew control, but in the fundamental head differences. Only 70% of the Dragon's play head track width is available for playback, the other 30% is fed to the azimuth circuit. This creates a handicap, if you will, that gives the record/play advantage to the ZX7. For the Nakamichi owner who loves to share tapes, and listen to prerecorded tapes, there is no better deck than the Dragon. If you record all your own tapes, then the whole series from the 482Z through the 1000ZXL provides many choices in automation that will make a "better" tape than the Dragon can make by itself. As always, we are so lucky to have the choices. I hope you understand a bit more why there is no single best Nakamichi. tom brucker At 06:57 PM 3/12/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ram: No two recording decks can have the same set of heads azimuth unless you are playing a tape out from the same deck that you have made the recording. Your deck may have the perfect head azimuth while you made the recording and if it is going to playback through your same deck, the result might be perfect but it does not necessary mean the your same tape will play the same result on others' decks. Now are you going say others' decks are not good enough? Your same tape will give a very good result when play on a deck with playback head azimuth control as your deck. A pre-recorded commerical tape plays much better on a deck with playback head azimuth control compare with those that don't and that is only limited to MHO on my setup. The result may not be the same on your setup though, Regards, Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: John, You sounded off what I ve held back in this forum for a while. the 1000zxl is a mamoth dinasaur....not judt sour grapes cause I do not have one! I love my ZX9. Nothing has sounded better to my ears than the ZX9 yet. Not even the mighty Dragon.....with NAAC or even the CR7, with its playback azimuth adjusted. Its my humble opinion that any deck with an azimuth issue recording whatever source in that error position of azimuth is a waste for all other machines. I addtion, it will have many other isues ina addition to the azimuth aberration. I dont know what the magic is but thats it. I even remember Steve Sank saying to me he doesnt like the ZX9, due to excessive circuitry in it. He may be the guru of Naks, but I choose to believe my ears than anyone else's biased opinion. No wonder, Nakamichi Inc. had these Zx9s( 22 of them) in their New York Studios doing all of their master recordings for them until the company pulled the plug on the cassette medium. Any and all comments welcome and appreciated. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I'm new to Naktalk - please let me know if I'm not "doing it right". To introduce myself, a little history...My business was the "Nakamichi Australia" appointed warranty and non warranty service centre for the state of Queensland in Australia for many years, and before Nak. Aus. performed the same function for Convoy Int - the Nakamichi distributor in Australia then. My business sold and serviced Naks from the days of the 500, 600 to the CR series. I no longer operate that business, but you can imagine I have a lot of Nakamichi still in my blood. I still have about 30 Naks in my collection - don't be impressed - most not in good condition. I still have all the test equipment, alignment jigs, test tapes, service manuals, and a fairly large collection of parts. May I make a few brief comments on some of the matters I see raised in todays (?) naktalk. 1. I wouldn't buy a 1000ZXL today - even if brand new. After the 1000ZXL, many far superior machines came along - ZX-7, ZX-9 for instance. They are not only much better, they are a lot more compact, a lot more reliable, and you can still keep them going - whereas, some of the assemblies from the 1000ZXL are long gone and no longer available (in my experience anyway). 2. I love Dolby C in a correctly adjusted Nak ZX-7 or similar. It's true that even between painstakingly adjusted Naks of the same model, when you play a tape made on one, on the other, it will not sound as good as on the machine that made the recording. So I'm really saying that on one beautifully adjusted Nak, Dolby C can be amazing. The tape doesn't have to cost the earth - TDK SAX would do. The important issue is to have the ability to adjust the Nakamichi to the tape before recording. This is why I favour machines such as ZX-7, ZX-9 - in my opinion the best Nakamichi models made. I own a couple of HiComs - they don't come up with the goods as far as I'm concerned. If I was making a tape on a ZX-7/9 to play back on any other cassette transport, I would encode it Dolby C - and on playback, would select probably Dolby B or Dolby off on the playback machine depending on subjective results. This can overcome the loss of detail due to azimuth errors and track alignment errors. Not a purest approach I know, but can sound more acceptable. Regards John Gipps ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at tp://www.aol.com>AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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Answers Food & Drink Q&A.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Mar 13 21:13:03 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <45F6EA60.1090304@peromarta.org> References: <45F6EA60.1090304@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Why not upload them to ebaman.com? With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 21:21:24 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:21:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: References: <45F6EA60.1090304@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703131321s857b8e3i676d7c749a7dd20e@mail.gmail.com> I don't even have a CR-7 and I enjoyed reading this. I'd love to see more! -Tim On 3/13/07, Tomas Larsson wrote: > > Why not upload them to ebaman.com? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebaman.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 21:44:27 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:44:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action it. Thanks Thomas. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 13 21:55:08 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:55:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: OK, I've had a go. CR-7 Troubleshooting Guide. Dragon Troubleshootin Guide. Both Uploaded to EBAMAN If this has worked, I'll add a few more. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Tue Mar 13 22:20:22 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:20:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its simple. There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. After you have registered you should receive an email with details how to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its done. If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it out. There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not exist, select the Category closest to the document. Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you want to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be uploaded as well. Thats all. I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have approved them, they will be avaible for download. Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the document you want to download, click the download button, or click the picture for more info, comments etc. You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not correct or pages missing etc. Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only for naks but for other equipment as well. I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, and since my interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as well (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action it. Thanks Thomas. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 13 22:44:05 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:44:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome In-Reply-To: <8C9339E14F7C315-E68-1EC7@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't recall Stephen Sank's preferences, although he listed them once but I do remember he put the CR7, CR5 and Dragon before the ZX9 in its unmodified state. He felt the sound from it was slightly coloured and less transparent compared with the other three. Personally, I'd say the ZX9 is slightly richer in tone than a CR7, not that it is coloured ... but that's just me and my imperfect ear! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of johngipps at aol.com Sent: 13 March 2007 15:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome Hi All Thanks for the welcoming comments and emails from Ram, Ian Ramsey, Martin Short, David King, Tom Brucker, and Bala. Martin - yes I am in Brisbane. Am I still practising? - I'm a bit like a plumber with a leaky tap - my ZX-7 is desperate for a big service and I'm trying to set aside a few hours for it. I will dabble from time to time - I enjoy working on particular models and " if I don't use it, I'll lose it". Tom - I don't have a full set of original Nakamichi belts - I have found a number of generics that work well. To me the more difficult issues of recent years have been rollers, idlers, and take-up and supply assemblies for the dual capstan transport found in models such as the 480 etc. David - Hi - I'll look up your 482 in my database - I visit Toowoomba every now and then. Not wishing to be offensive, but who is Steve Sank? Does he really not like the ZX-9? It's hard to imagine a Nakamichi guru who doesn't like that model. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Mar 13 22:54:25 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:54:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070313215428.UFEK1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Just a suggestion before people upload files. How about running it through your favorite photo editor and put a watermark at the top of each page like Property of Naktalk Community. Not for reprint. We see this all the time on eBay for photos. The people who run a business of eBay finally got wise to the photo thieves, they put a watermark on their pictures. At 05:20 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: >Its simple. >There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and >leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). > >First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. >After you have registered you should receive an email with details >how to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its done. > >If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it out. >There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured >spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. > >Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". >Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for >searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not >exist, select the Category closest to the document. >Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you >want to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can >associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be >uploaded as well. > >Thats all. >I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have >approved them, they will be avaible for download. > >Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the >document you want to download, click the download button, or click >the picture for more info, comments etc. >You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not >correct or pages missing etc. > >Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a >member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. > >Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. > >It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only >for naks but for other equipment as well. > >I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for >me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds >site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, >and since my interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as >well (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement >for naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. > > > > > >With best regards > >Tomas Larsson >Sweden >http://www.tlec.se >http://www.ebaman.com >http://www.ktl.mine.nu >http://www.naks.mine.nu >Excellent and cheap hosting, use >http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > >---------- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins > >Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action it. >Thanks Thomas. >Ben > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Mar 13 23:55:32 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:55:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Message-ID: <002201c765c2$b4baa4a0$6701a8c0@main> I just emailed Ben and offered to put the troubleshooting manual on my site for anyone to download if they would like it. I'm not sure if there is a better place (my site is on tropical fish but at least accessible to those on Naktalk once they get the folder and index location for the troubleshooting pages via Naktalk) I just have some room where it could get posted for all to download if they like. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 23:58:22 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736606.33902.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, Sounds that we like are our individual perception of waves and if a lot of people like the same waves like ZX 9 waves than the Dragon waves or the CR7 waves( sound waves I refer to here), then lets face it the ZX9 is a better machine in those peoples lives! Steve Sank may be a great technical Guru.....but with respect to sound I like what I like (the ZX7/9), irrespective of what he says or feels the circuitry shoould be. May be its the extra wires that make it sound so neat to me, call it polluting the sound or whatever. To me and many many others we need that wiring to make it sound the way it does........ I hope I made my point. Of course, for the others there are the Dragons and CR7s too....no lesser marvels in their own right and might! Anyone wonder why Nakamichi Inc. never used Dragons or CR7s ( later models than the ZX series) in their own studios in Manhattan until the division folded in the 90s, but instead stuck to ZX9s exclusively? They , perhaps knew something the anti ZX following doesnt or for that matter even Mr. Sank did not know? Sorry for the wordiness....but I had to let it out folks. I stand by the ZX9 any day....everyday. Period. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: I don't recall Stephen Sank's preferences, although he listed them once but I do remember he put the CR7, CR5 and Dragon before the ZX9 in its unmodified state. He felt the sound from it was slightly coloured and less transparent compared with the other three. Personally, I'd say the ZX9 is slightly richer in tone than a CR7, not that it is coloured ... but that's just me and my imperfect ear! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of johngipps at aol.com Sent: 13 March 2007 15:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome Hi All Thanks for the welcoming comments and emails from Ram, Ian Ramsey, Martin Short, David King, Tom Brucker, and Bala. Martin - yes I am in Brisbane. Am I still practising? - I'm a bit like a plumber with a leaky tap - my ZX-7 is desperate for a big service and I'm trying to set aside a few hours for it. I will dabble from time to time - I enjoy working on particular models and " if I don't use it, I'll lose it". Tom - I don't have a full set of original Nakamichi belts - I have found a number of generics that work well. To me the more difficult issues of recent years have been rollers, idlers, and take-up and supply assemblies for the dual capstan transport found in models such as the 480 etc. David - Hi - I'll look up your 482 in my database - I visit Toowoomba every now and then. Not wishing to be offensive, but who is Steve Sank? Does he really not like the ZX-9? It's hard to imagine a Nakamichi guru who doesn't like that model. Regards John Gipps ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Mar 14 00:06:47 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:06:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world Message-ID: <002801c765c4$478914f0$6701a8c0@main> I like the Dragon auto adjustment in play(I don't know which decks I made half my tapes on) and the manual adjustment I can make on the CR7A. My ZX7 has an adjustment but only prior to recording. Is it done to just try to get the deck heads to be "within itself" aligned? The problem I have with that is the tape skew in the lead and ends of a tape must be the worst place to do such an adjustment prior to recording, yet my ZX7 seems to target doing just that. Am I misunderstanding something. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Wed Mar 14 00:21:54 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:21:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <20070313215428.UFEK1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070313215428.UFEK1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: YES I would recommend that, a very good idea. I'm looking in to some ideas to automaically watermark jpg's and pdf-files. One problem is that som are in compressed archives, and it is difficult to handle all different types, expanding and re-compressing plus, I dont think my host would like that I'm consuming to much core cpu-time for such activities. However I do think that my 5dl/24 hour effectivly would stop these manual leechers, since it would be to much work for them to download enough to fill a cd or dvd. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: Roland [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:54 PM To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins Just a suggestion before people upload files. How about running it through your favorite photo editor and put a watermark at the top of each page like Property of Naktalk Community. Not for reprint. We see this all the time on eBay for photos. The people who run a business of eBay finally got wise to the photo thieves, they put a watermark on their pictures. At 05:20 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: Its simple. There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. After you have registered you should receive an email with details how to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its done. If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it out. There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not exist, select the Category closest to the document. Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you want to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be uploaded as well. Thats all. I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have approved them, they will be avaible for download. Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the document you want to download, click the download button, or click the picture for more info, comments etc. You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not correct or pages missing etc. Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only for naks but for other equipment as well. I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, and since my interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as well (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action it. Thanks Thomas. Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz Wed Mar 14 00:41:55 2007 From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nz (Donald Sangster) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:41:55 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins References: <20070313215428.UFEK1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <00ca01c765c9$2f236870$580d98de@tec> I am glad to hear about that, as somebody leached my contribution being the Nak 600 service manual. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Tomas Larsson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins YES I would recommend that, a very good idea. I'm looking in to some ideas to automaically watermark jpg's and pdf-files. One problem is that som are in compressed archives, and it is difficult to handle all different types, expanding and re-compressing plus, I dont think my host would like that I'm consuming to much core cpu-time for such activities. However I do think that my 5dl/24 hour effectivly would stop these manual leechers, since it would be to much work for them to download enough to fill a cd or dvd. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roland [mailto:rjlbjk at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:54 PM To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins Just a suggestion before people upload files. How about running it through your favorite photo editor and put a watermark at the top of each page like Property of Naktalk Community. Not for reprint. We see this all the time on eBay for photos. The people who run a business of eBay finally got wise to the photo thieves, they put a watermark on their pictures. At 05:20 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: Its simple. There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. After you have registered you should receive an email with details how to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its done. If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it out. There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not exist, select the Category closest to the document. Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you want to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be uploaded as well. Thats all. I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have approved them, they will be avaible for download. Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the document you want to download, click the download button, or click the picture for more info, comments etc. You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not correct or pages missing etc. Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only for naks but for other equipment as well. I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, and since my interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as well (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action it. 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Re: service bulletins (Tim Skorick) > 3. service bulletins (Benstratford at aol.com) > 4. service bulletins (Benstratford at aol.com) > 5. RE: service bulletins (Tomas Larsson) > 6. RE: Thanks for the welcome (Graham Nelson) > 7. RE: service bulletins (Roland) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:03 +0100 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Why not upload them to ebaman.com? > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebaman.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:21:24 -0500 > From: "Tim Skorick" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: tomas at tlec.se, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <6bddc1110703131321s857b8e3i676d7c749a7dd20e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't even have a CR-7 and I enjoyed reading this. I'd love to see > more! > > -Tim > > On 3/13/07, Tomas Larsson wrote: >> >> Why not upload them to ebaman.com? >> >> With best regards >> >> Tomas Larsson >> Sweden >> http://www.tlec.se >> http://www.ebaman.com >> http://www.ktl.mine.nu >> http://www.naks.mine.nu >> Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >> Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/46499ece/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:44:27 EDT > From: Benstratford at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then > action > it. > Thanks Thomas. > Ben > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/9561e4df/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:55:08 EDT > From: Benstratford at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK, I've had a go. > CR-7 Troubleshooting Guide. > Dragon Troubleshootin Guide. > Both Uploaded to EBAMAN > If this has worked, I'll add a few more. > Ben > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/fc4d8b47/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:20:22 +0100 > From: "Tomas Larsson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Its simple. > There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and leechers > (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). > > First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. > After you have registered you should receive an email with details how to > confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its done. > > If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it > out. > There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured > spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. > > Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". > Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for > searching, > select the Category where it should go, if it does not exist, select the > Category closest to the document. > Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you want to > upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can associate that > picture in the second box, and that picture will be uploaded as well. > > Thats all. > I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have approved > them, they will be avaible for download. > > Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the document > you want to download, click the download button, or click the picture for > more info, comments etc. > You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not correct > or > pages missing etc. > > Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a member > and > only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. > > Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. > > It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only for naks > but for other equipment as well. > > I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for me to > handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds site, > naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, and since my > interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as well (were I might > need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for naks.mine.nu and my > Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. > > > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > http://www.tlec.se > http://www.ebaman.com > http://www.ktl.mine.nu > http://www.naks.mine.nu > Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 > Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Benstratford at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins > > > > Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action > it. > Thanks Thomas. > Ben > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/dfdcf7cb/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:44:05 -0000 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't recall Stephen Sank's preferences, although he listed them once > but > I do remember he put the CR7, CR5 and Dragon before the ZX9 in its > unmodified state. He felt the sound from it was slightly coloured and > less > transparent compared with the other three. Personally, I'd say the ZX9 is > slightly richer in tone than a CR7, not that it is coloured ... but that's > just me and my imperfect ear! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of johngipps at aol.com > Sent: 13 March 2007 15:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks for the welcome > > > Hi All > > Thanks for the welcoming comments and emails from Ram, Ian Ramsey, Martin > Short, David King, Tom Brucker, and Bala. > > Martin - yes I am in Brisbane. Am I still practising? - I'm a bit like a > plumber with a leaky tap - my ZX-7 is desperate for a big service and I'm > trying to set aside a few hours for it. I will dabble from time to time - > I > enjoy working on particular models and " if I don't use it, I'll lose it". > > Tom - I don't have a full set of original Nakamichi belts - I have found > a > number of generics that work well. To me the more difficult issues of > recent > years have been rollers, idlers, and take-up and supply assemblies for the > dual capstan transport found in models such as the 480 etc. > > David - Hi - I'll look up your 482 in my database - I visit Toowoomba > every now and then. > > Not wishing to be offensive, but who is Steve Sank? Does he really not > like the ZX-9? It's hard to imagine a Nakamichi guru who doesn't like that > model. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/d6202590/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:54:25 -0400 > From: Roland > Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins > To: tomas at tlec.se, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <20070313215428.UFEK1310.eastrmmtao102.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just a suggestion before people upload files. How about running it > through your favorite photo editor and put a watermark at the top of > each page like Property of Naktalk Community. Not for reprint. > > We see this all the time on eBay for photos. The people who run a > business of eBay finally got wise to the photo thieves, they put a > watermark on their pictures. > > > > > At 05:20 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote: >>Its simple. >>There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and >>leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). >> >>First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. >>After you have registered you should receive an email with details >>how to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its >>done. >> >>If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail and I sort it >>out. >>There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured >>spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. >> >>Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". >>Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for >>searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not >>exist, select the Category closest to the document. >>Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer that you >>want to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can >>associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be >>uploaded as well. >> >>Thats all. >>I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have >>approved them, they will be avaible for download. >> >>Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the >>document you want to download, click the download button, or click >>the picture for more info, comments etc. >>You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not >>correct or pages missing etc. >> >>Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a >>member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. >> >>Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. >> >>It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, not only >>for naks but for other equipment as well. >> >>I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much easier for >>me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds >>site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much time, >>and since my interests is not only in audio, but many other areas as >>well (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement >>for naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. >> >> >> >> >> >>With best regards >> >>Tomas Larsson >>Sweden >>http://www.tlec.se >>http://www.ebaman.com >>http://www.ktl.mine.nu >>http://www.naks.mine.nu >>Excellent and cheap hosting, use >>http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 >>Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem >> >> >> >>---------- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>Behalf Of Benstratford at aol.com >>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:44 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins >> >>Perfect. However I am not sure how to do this. Will find out then action >>it. >>Thanks Thomas. >>Ben >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070313/1646eb78/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 61 > *************************************** > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 01:32:00 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world In-Reply-To: <002801c765c4$478914f0$6701a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20070314003200.39804.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, ACTUALLY ITS BETTER TO DO THE AZIMUTH ADJUSTMENT AND THE LEVEL AND bias calibrations after rewinding/fast forwarding any tape for about 1/4 length into the middle of the run to avoid the leads or the ends as you mentioned. In fact, nakamichi mentions this in the Zx 9 manual if I remember correctly for proper calibration technique, and rightly so. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: I like the Dragon auto adjustment in play(I don't know which decks I made half my tapes on) and the manual adjustment I can make on the CR7A. My ZX7 has an adjustment but only prior to recording. Is it done to just try to get the deck heads to be "within itself" aligned? The problem I have with that is the tape skew in the lead and ends of a tape must be the worst place to do such an adjustment prior to recording, yet my ZX7 seems to target doing just that. Am I misunderstanding something. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 02:08:30 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth in the real world In-Reply-To: <20070314003200.39804.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229654.61442.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The reason why Dragon fares better on play back is due to this fact. The azimuth for 15 Khz or above that frequency varies from tape beginning to the end. So if any calibration is desired on ZX9/7 better do it at the middle of the tape and the variation is minimal from beginning to end. However this frequency range is not easily audible to human beings ( excepting very young children ) we do not actually hear this variation easily. Dragon adjusts for this variation as well! Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Bill, ACTUALLY ITS BETTER TO DO THE AZIMUTH ADJUSTMENT AND THE LEVEL AND bias calibrations after rewinding/fast forwarding any tape for about 1/4 length into the middle of the run to avoid the leads or the ends as you mentioned. In fact, nakamichi mentions this in the Zx 9 manual if I remember correctly for proper calibration technique, and rightly so. Ram Bill Shenefelt wrote: I like the Dragon auto adjustment in play(I don't know which decks I made half my tapes on) and the manual adjustment I can make on the CR7A. My ZX7 has an adjustment but only prior to recording. Is it done to just try to get the deck heads to be "within itself" aligned? The problem I have with that is the tape skew in the lead and ends of a tape must be the worst place to do such an adjustment prior to recording, yet my ZX7 seems to target doing just that. Am I misunderstanding something. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. 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URL: From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Wed Mar 14 03:21:44 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:21:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Intermittent stop with Dragon References: Message-ID: <002501c765df$85293090$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> I'm no expert, but from what I've read it could most likely be a worn idler tire. Someone with more experience with these will probably read your thread and reply. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] Intermittent stop with Dragon Hi y'all, My Dragon is stopping intermittently in play mode in the forward direction only. Reverse direction is OK. Any thoughts as to what could cause this? thanks Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Message-ID: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. Thanks.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 12:59:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would like to sell me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070314115911.95674.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. 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Do youy hace an item number please. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 14 March 2007 11:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. Thanks.... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 14 15:01:42 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? In-Reply-To: <005801c76640$04dd4aa0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <34925.89542.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Darned if I can see it. Do youy hace an item number please. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 14 March 2007 11:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 14 15:15:42 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? In-Reply-To: <34925.89542.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <973572.75912.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It makes me wonder why someone does not accept Pay-pal. He wants a check or money order. What kind of protection do you have? It came from an estate sale so bid carefully. Bob LENA WONG wrote: Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Darned if I can see it. Do youy hace an item number please. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 14 March 2007 11:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 14 15:27:24 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? In-Reply-To: <973572.75912.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433244.75201.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The seller on the 1000ZXL that was sold last week also did not accept PayPal for that particular item only. He accepts PayPal on all the other items in his website. But Tom B. gave him a good mark though. At the same time there is another 1000ZXL on sale right now and it was a re-listed item for so many times already from MEXICO. The unit looks pretty nice and just like what you just said, be careful on bidding as well for this one. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: It makes me wonder why someone does not accept Pay-pal. He wants a check or money order. What kind of protection do you have? It came from an estate sale so bid carefully. Bob LENA WONG wrote: Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Darned if I can see it. Do youy hace an item number please. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 14 March 2007 11:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 14 15:28:36 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they wouldliketo sell me? In-Reply-To: <006701c76644$6d8b3f40$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <527364.6210.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shaun: I think this one does not use " cassette ". If you hit Nakamichi ZX-9 it might show up. Good Luck. Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Thanks for that Mike. Don't know why but it didn't show up when I searched for Nakamichi Cassette! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 14 March 2007 14:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they wouldliketo sell me? Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Mar 14 15:30:11 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:30:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Any one buy from Quality II Sell ? In-Reply-To: <433244.75201.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973572.75912.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433244.75201.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC902E20E24@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> This EBay store has SCADS of decks that are supposedly in mint condition. His prices are high, but for fully functioning and tuned up machines they are certainly reasonable. Anybody bought from him? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 14 15:42:41 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:42:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they wouldliketosell me? In-Reply-To: <527364.6210.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701c76647$0654cb40$7300a8c0@Shaun> OK, it shows up if you search from ebay.com but not if you search from ebay.co.uk. That's strange 'cause searches usually show international items in a seperate list but apparently not this time! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 14 March 2007 14:29 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they wouldliketosell me? Shaun: I think this one does not use " cassette ". If you hit Nakamichi ZX-9 it might show up. Good Luck. Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Thanks for that Mike. Don't know why but it didn't show up when I searched for Nakamichi Cassette! Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 14 March 2007 14:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they wouldliketo sell me? Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 16:08:12 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? In-Reply-To: <973572.75912.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <114994.85557.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Money orders and checks are requested to save Paypal fees. There is no buyer protection for such transactions. Buy and bid at your own risk. Be extra careful though. You have no recourse if the sale goes bad or if you dont receive item or its crappy, except leaving negative feedbacks... money is out. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: It makes me wonder why someone does not accept Pay-pal. He wants a check or money order. What kind of protection do you have? It came from an estate sale so bid carefully. Bob LENA WONG wrote: Hi: I think it is this one: # 110102569485 Good Luck. At least I am not one of those " .... anti-ZX following .... " Mike Shaun Montgomery wrote: Darned if I can see it. Do youy hace an item number please. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 14 March 2007 11:59 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone have an extremely nice ZX9 that they would liketo sell me? There is one on ebay right now. Check it out. Good luck. Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: After all this talk about the ZX9 I would like to purchase a very nice condition one, if someone has one they would like to sell me? My email address is: rich_121 at msn.com if you would like to send me a private message. Thanks.... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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I have done business with a member of your site and I have to tell you that he is a great person to deal with. I posted this question before. My problem is that when I let my dragon play for awhile it starts to slow down and in the rev mode sometimes will eat the tape at the beginning of the rev cycle. Any help would be great. William ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 14 21:33:32 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:33:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070314143332.00867e10@earthlink.net> This is a record only problem. The cap shorts and burns a fuse resistor, so there is no bias and no erase. "pumping " is likely a tape travel problem. As the classic mechanism pinch roller brackets gum up they move very slowly, make weak contact with the capstan, or do not make contact at all. I have also seen references to orange cap problems in dolby circuits. Pumping might be the symptom. Any comments from someone who has had this problem? tom brucker At 11:49 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, I'm even more curious now. Could a problem in these 2 caps in the bias circuit cause a "pumping" in playback? Or is this circuit only effecting the performance of the deck when it is engaged in record? Jeff In a message dated 3/14/2007 8:24:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We have seen 4 or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. tom At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the bias transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias circuit." Hi Tom, I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the ones most likely to fail? Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 14 21:45:30 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:45:30 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/2007 1:05:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I have also seen references to orange cap problems in dolby circuits. Pumping might be the symptom. Any comments from someone who has had this problem? In fact, the fellow who does repairs I can't do myself on Nak decks for me, Willy Herman, just trouble-shot this problem on his 700ZXL when I was over at his place 10 days ago. He had a cap go out in the Dolby circuits and it caused a kind of "pumping" and static on the right channel. He finally tracked it down to a single bad orange cap. I'm just using the word "pumping" because I don't know any other word. We used to use this word with condenser mics to describe the acoustic phenomena which takes place when the mic 'condenses" or adjusts to different levels. In a good condenser mic, this is minimal, but in a cheap condenser mic it can get annoying. What made me pursue this whole line of thought is that I have been comparing the sound of my recently ESL-rebuilt ZX-7 with my 680 (which is finally working again after the WD-40 fix) and also my 670ZX which presumably has orange cap problems as the meters don't work right. The ZX-7's sound is incredibly clean and there doesn't seem to be any kind of "pumping" whatsoever. The 680 has a little "pumping" which I think is electrical, and not wow from any transport issues, but I can't be certain as different problems on the great diagnostic chart in the sky may result in the same symptoms. The 670ZX is obviously "pumping" which I attributed to fluctuations in the current somewhere probably due to a bad cap. Knowing from past experience that a single bad part can have repercussions throughout the whole system, I'm thinking the best way to start on the 670ZX fix is to replace 1. the caps related to the meters and 2. the caps related to the Dolby chips and then take it from there. Jeff


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Yap) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:03:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZXL vs. ZX9 Message-ID: > do however, trust Nakamichi to have some advancements into the > 700ZXE,700ZXL, and 1000ZXL that might make them sound better than a > ZX9. No > other deck in the world adjusts mid-treble equalization like the ZXLs. I would also point out that at least among Naks (don't know about the other brands), the 1000zxl is the only one with what at least acts like continuously variable bias, i.e., there' no "tape type' setting for it (and no, it doesn't read the sometime-present notches on the cassette spine of some tapes). I figures out how much bias to use from scratch wtihout hints. Admittedly a convenience feature, but it is somewhat more useful with the tape that might have some odd-ball requirement; some of the Denon tapes come to mind as being listed in the 700zxl manual as needing settings that aren't what one would normally expect.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Wed Mar 14 23:29:24 2007 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:29:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] appreciation of Scott's IR remote Message-ID: <5parb0$5r8o9l@smtp.talktalk.net> Just want to add my voice to the appreciation of Scott's IR remote project. Just received mine, works perfectly with my CR-3 and Sony RMT-814 (8mm Camcorder remote). Many thanks Kev. From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 15 09:48:00 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:48:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070314102304.00866290@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070314102304.00866290@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8F66C744-C822-4001-8BB9-E6275D6307F6@thegreatbear.net> all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to playback fine but do not record.. these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? adrian On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > have seen 4 > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > tom > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>>> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > bias > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > circuit." > > Hi Tom, > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > ones most > likely to fail? > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from > AOL at AOL.com. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 11:23:53 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <8F66C744-C822-4001-8BB9-E6275D6307F6@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <865748.93359.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and some tapes themselves. I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck transports too. Ram "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to playback fine but do not record.. these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? adrian On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > have seen 4 > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > tom > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>>> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > bias > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > circuit." > > Hi Tom, > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > ones most > likely to fail? > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from > AOL at AOL.com. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? 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Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and some tapes themselves. I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck transports too. Ram "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to playback fine but do not record.. these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? adrian On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > have seen 4 > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > tom > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>>> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > bias > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > circuit." > > Hi Tom, > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > ones most > likely to fail? > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from > AOL at AOL.com. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 15 14:53:57 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:53:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <992953.25871.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <992953.25871.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F15CDBA-9773-4377-9573-7537D21D5455@thegreatbear.net> but the orange caps are not electrolytics, they're film type aren't they? In the service manual they're described as 'metallized polypropylene'. Slightly off topic I've also heard that the fluid in electrolytics can 'reform' is used correctly after long periods of time and there's also the motherboard capacitor scandal where an unfinished fluid recipe was stolen from one manufacturer and used to make capacitors which then got used in many many PC motherboards which of course all started leaking very quickly... I had a P4 board that did this.. back to nakamichis Kannan has written an excellent page about the problem here: http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ adrian On 15 Mar 2007, at 12:48, Bob Naylor wrote: > I have heard that the electrolytics will last if they're powered up > often and the problems with them are due to sitting un-powered for > extended periods of time. Opinions? > Bob > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and > some tapes themselves. > I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells > would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. > > Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck > transports too. > > Ram > > > "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: > all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to > playback fine but do not record.. > > these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 > > I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common > areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that > have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has > a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? > > adrian > > > On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > > > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > > have seen 4 > > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > > > tom > > > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: > >>>>> > > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > > bias > > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > > circuit." > > > > Hi Tom, > > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > > ones most > > likely to fail? > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from > > AOL at AOL.com. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! 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Answers > users.========-------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 16:02:08 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:02:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <20070315102846.87341.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070315090208.00874aa0@earthlink.net> Ram, This will be interesting. Tell us about the midrange sound differences. I'm sure it will take a while to find the music that will reveal differences. I was looking at my ZX7 parts unit head asy, and by golly there is a lot of wire on the heads! How short were Mr. Sank's wires? tom brucker At 03:28 AM 3/15/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram ---------- Don't pick lemons. See all the <new 2007 cars at <Yahoo! Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 16:14:27 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:14:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] capicators in electronics In-Reply-To: <8F15CDBA-9773-4377-9573-7537D21D5455@thegreatbear.net> References: <992953.25871.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <992953.25871.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070315091427.00874310@earthlink.net> Yes. the orange film caps in theory would be immune to humidity, but who knows? Electrolytics used in the old tube days reform when voltage appears across them. If they fail to reform they short! Modern electrolytics, especially the miniature types, can dry out, loosing capacitance, or leak, loosing capacitance and corroding circuit board copper. The drying and leaking types are generally certain manufacturers, certain values, and certain types. Electrolytics exposed to heat can also dry out, or experience a change in ESR, a capacitors impedance at very high frequencies. If one were to optimise electrolytic capacitors in a Nakamichi, or any electronic piece, the best choices are 105 degree, low ESR, extended life, and as large a case as possible (not-ultra miniature). I suppose I would add non-polarized to that list, as smaller NP caps are now available, and sound much better in the signal path. Generally 1960's era stereos are showing improvement when e-caps are replaced. A 600, 700 or 1000 might be a candidate. tom brucker At 01:53 PM 3/15/07 +0000, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >but the orange caps are not electrolytics, they're film type aren't >they? > >In the service manual they're described as 'metallized polypropylene'. > >Slightly off topic I've also heard that the fluid in electrolytics >can 'reform' is used correctly after long periods of time and there's >also the motherboard capacitor scandal where an unfinished fluid >recipe was stolen from one manufacturer and used to make capacitors >which then got used in many many PC motherboards which of course all >started leaking very quickly... I had a P4 board that did this.. > >back to nakamichis > >Kannan has written an excellent page about the problem here: > >http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ > > >adrian > > > > >On 15 Mar 2007, at 12:48, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> I have heard that the electrolytics will last if they're powered up >> often and the problems with them are due to sitting un-powered for >> extended periods of time. Opinions? >> Bob >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and >> some tapes themselves. >> I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells >> would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. >> >> Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck >> transports too. >> >> Ram >> >> >> "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: >> all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to >> playback fine but do not record.. >> >> these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 >> >> I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common >> areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that >> have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has >> a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: >> >> > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We >> > have seen 4 >> > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. >> > >> > tom >> > >> > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >> >>>>> >> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the >> > bias >> > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias >> > circuit." >> > >> > Hi Tom, >> > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the >> > ones most >> > likely to fail? >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------- >> > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >> > free from >> > AOL at AOL.com. >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> > naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > <<<< >> > >> > >> > Tom Brucker CSM >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> > naktalk >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> > ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> Need Mail bonding? >> Go to the Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 15 15:43:15 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:43:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. References: <20070315102846.87341.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c76710$44a61060$9cd417c4@home> If it is the onewere you cant use the' Buy It Now' or use the "question to Seller facility" be very carefull before parting with your money! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! 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URL: From benstratford at aol.com Thu Mar 15 16:15:03 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:15:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <8F66C744-C822-4001-8BB9-E6275D6307F6@thegreatbear.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070314102304.00866290@earthlink.net> <8F66C744-C822-4001-8BB9-E6275D6307F6@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <8C9352BD779901F-16F4-465B@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> Adrian, What happens when you try to record. Does is record something ok which when you listen to tape sounds weird? Or will it not select record at all? Ben -----Original Message----- From: adrian at thegreatbear.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 8.48AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to playback fine but do not record.. these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? adrian On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > have seen 4 > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > tom > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>>> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > bias > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > circuit." > > Hi Tom, > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > ones most > likely to fail? > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from > AOL at AOL.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/> naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/> naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 16:45:05 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] capicators in electronics In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070315091427.00874310@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <844299.77674.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen many Electrolytic cap failures in Naks. I have seen electrolytic caps in Dragon, CR7 power supply regulators, CR3 and BX and CR series Decks mostly on power supply regulation or motor control circuits. Do not assume that only Orange caps can be troublesome. So failures should be looked at without any assumptions excepting classic Orange Cap failure areas like Bias OScillator on 58X,68X,48x,ZX series Decks. I have seen Failures of Orange caps in Dolby circuits, Dragon NAAC areas as well. replacing caps en masse would be a big job considering hundreds of caps in a single Nak deck? Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Yes. the orange film caps in theory would be immune to humidity, but who knows? Electrolytics used in the old tube days reform when voltage appears across them. If they fail to reform they short! Modern electrolytics, especially the miniature types, can dry out, loosing capacitance, or leak, loosing capacitance and corroding circuit board copper. The drying and leaking types are generally certain manufacturers, certain values, and certain types. Electrolytics exposed to heat can also dry out, or experience a change in ESR, a capacitors impedance at very high frequencies. If one were to optimise electrolytic capacitors in a Nakamichi, or any electronic piece, the best choices are 105 degree, low ESR, extended life, and as large a case as possible (not-ultra miniature). I suppose I would add non-polarized to that list, as smaller NP caps are now available, and sound much better in the signal path. Generally 1960's era stereos are showing improvement when e-caps are replaced. A 600, 700 or 1000 might be a candidate. tom brucker At 01:53 PM 3/15/07 +0000, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >but the orange caps are not electrolytics, they're film type aren't >they? > >In the service manual they're described as 'metallized polypropylene'. > >Slightly off topic I've also heard that the fluid in electrolytics >can 'reform' is used correctly after long periods of time and there's >also the motherboard capacitor scandal where an unfinished fluid >recipe was stolen from one manufacturer and used to make capacitors >which then got used in many many PC motherboards which of course all >started leaking very quickly... I had a P4 board that did this.. > >back to nakamichis > >Kannan has written an excellent page about the problem here: > >http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ > > >adrian > > > > >On 15 Mar 2007, at 12:48, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> I have heard that the electrolytics will last if they're powered up >> often and the problems with them are due to sitting un-powered for >> extended periods of time. Opinions? >> Bob >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and >> some tapes themselves. >> I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells >> would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. >> >> Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck >> transports too. >> >> Ram >> >> >> "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: >> all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to >> playback fine but do not record.. >> >> these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 >> >> I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common >> areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that >> have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has >> a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: >> >> > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We >> > have seen 4 >> > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. >> > >> > tom >> > >> > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: >> >>>>> >> > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the >> > bias >> > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias >> > circuit." >> > >> > Hi Tom, >> > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the >> > ones most >> > likely to fail? >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------- >> > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Mar 15 18:10:00 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:10:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] capicators in electronics Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 8:49:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: I have seen many Electrolytic cap failures in Naks. I have seen electrolytic caps in Dragon, CR7 power supply regulators, CR3 and BX and CR series Decks mostly on power supply regulation or motor control circuits. Do not assume that only Orange caps can be troublesome. So failures should be looked at without any assumptions excepting classic Orange Cap failure areas like Bias OScillator on 58X,68X,48x,ZX series Decks. I have seen Failures of Orange caps in Dolby circuits, Dragon NAAC areas as well. replacing caps en masse would be a big job considering hundreds of caps in a single Nak deck? Just FYI, in my newly rebuilt ZX-7 and BX-300, ESL replaced 20 caps and 10 resistors, and 7 caps and 4 resistors, respectively. That is the actual numbers of the "Known to fail parts" (their phrase). Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 18:23:50 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <8C9350926507D75-D74-2371@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <898392.59478.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { height: 1px; width: 1px; overflow: hidden; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 18:28:27 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070315090208.00874aa0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <674572.57577.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, I fervently hope the zxl works as advertised by the seller. I shall look for the mid range and report back comparing it with my perfect ZX9 as my reference. I hope you got my Rx and 680Zx by now. Thanks fopr taking the time speaking to me the other day. Regards, Ram Hi Tech wrote: Ram, This will be interesting. Tell us about the midrange sound differences. I'm sure it will take a while to find the music that will reveal differences. I was looking at my ZX7 parts unit head asy, and by golly there is a lot of wire on the heads! How short were Mr. Sank's wires? tom brucker At 03:28 AM 3/15/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram ---------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 18:32:52 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <001901c76710$44a61060$9cd417c4@home> Message-ID: <20070315173252.1401.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, No this wan not one of those 1 day listings. This was a legitimate ebayer selling this for a while. he wanted over $2000 intitially and it wouldnt sell. He listed thrice in 2 months. he had also sold a ZXL limited( gold) in december and that got a good feedback too. That 1 sold for $4300 or so. I placed to $3250 and lost out. This one I got for $1100( says perfect condition-no flaws)....lets see tomorrow or Monday. Its being fedexed from mexico today overnight. I paid through paypal and its covered for fraud for upto $2000. I hope I am right, and thanks for the advise. Ram drewes wrote: If it is the onewere you cant use the' Buy It Now' or use the "question to Seller facility" be very carefull before parting with your money! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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I wish you well. I wouldn't count on Paypal for fraud but if you used a charge card, you can have your card issuer do a charge back if the item is not as shown, nor working or the seller was bogus. Paypal and fraud go hand in hand like the US government and taxes. Both want to do something about it while they do nothing. Good luck! At 01:32 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: >Hi, > >No this wan not one of those 1 day listings. > >This was a legitimate ebayer selling this for a while. he wanted >over $2000 intitially and it wouldnt sell. He listed thrice in 2 >months. he had also sold a ZXL limited( gold) in december and that >got a good feedback too. That 1 sold for $4300 or so. I placed to >$3250 and lost out. > >This one I got for $1100( says perfect condition-no flaws)....lets >see tomorrow or Monday. Its being fedexed from mexico today overnight. > >I paid through paypal and its covered for fraud for upto $2000. > >I hope I am right, and thanks for the advise. > >Ram >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Mar 15 19:06:27 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:06:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] capicators in electronics Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 10:50:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Benstratford at aol.com writes: I don't suppose that their I.D's and positions were noted down? Nope, you gotta let them have some trade secrets. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 15 19:35:21 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:35:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. References: <898392.59478.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c76730$b0bc73a0$53d017c4@home> There was recently a 'set up' in Spain through a reversing into an eBay Account scam---also a 1000ZXL involved--We all await the arrival tommorrow!!!!!! Please let us know when you get it. For a deal like that --always speak to the seller by phone to verify---then phone your international tel number provider to see if the tel number ties in with the address for that number.--- To see whether the chap actually exists at the number.There have been too many 1000ZXL scams on eBay as its a high value item! If something goes wrong at least you then have a verified address where the police can find the scammer! Did you get the FEDEX tracking number yet? BTW does the seller collect 1000ZXL 's that he can sell them that often?Your seller is propably a decent chappie and there is nothing wrong with your deal.Those would have been my checking criteria however! I am propably just raising too many concerns .I am normally not that neurotic with eBay purchases!!! The history of 1000ZXL's on eBay makes me extremely weary! The sellers use the same pictures whether the sellers are from China,USA,Spain or France --all of them want to be emailed at a different eMail address --and not thru 'ask seller a question' (eBay facility) and MOST of them state a buy it now price that does not go thru the eBay 'buy now' mechanism.So in yourcase you are propably quite safe! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <002901c76730$b0bc73a0$53d017c4@home> Message-ID: <6037.79866.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought the 1000ZXL that the ebay seller from MEXICO was listed as more than $1100 for "BUY IT NOW PRICE" yesterday when it was first posted on ebay. I might have bad eyes though. drewes wrote: There was recently a 'set up' in Spain through a reversing into an eBay Account scam---also a 1000ZXL involved--We all await the arrival tommorrow!!!!!! Please let us know when you get it. For a deal like that --always speak to the seller by phone to verify---then phone your international tel number provider to see if the tel number ties in with the address for that number.--- To see whether the chap actually exists at the number.There have been too many 1000ZXL scams on eBay as its a high value item! If something goes wrong at least you then have a verified address where the police can find the scammer! Did you get the FEDEX tracking number yet? BTW does the seller collect 1000ZXL 's that he can sell them that often?Your seller is propably a decent chappie and there is nothing wrong with your deal.Those would have been my checking criteria however! I am propably just raising too many concerns .I am normally not that neurotic with eBay purchases!!! The history of 1000ZXL's on eBay makes me extremely weary! The sellers use the same pictures whether the sellers are from China,USA,Spain or France --all of them want to be emailed at a different eMail address --and not thru 'ask seller a question' (eBay facility) and MOST of them state a buy it now price that does not go thru the eBay 'buy now' mechanism.So in yourcase you are propably quite safe! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! 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I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 15 20:07:25 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:07:25 +0200 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Message-ID: <011d01c76735$2baec4b0$53d017c4@home> Sorry Geoff,my reply to you bounced back,so here it is! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "drewes" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. > These sellers do not list the 'buy it now price' in the eBay system.(where > it is normally stated)But they say it in there spiel down the line(in the > corpus of their story) that the Buy now price is $xxxx. > Sorry, I should have explained that better. > Walter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. > > >> At Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:43:15 +0200, Walter wrote >> >>>If it is the onewere you cant use the' Buy It Now' or use the "question = >>>to Seller facility" be very carefull before parting with your money! >> >> Ok, I'll bite. Why does one need to be careful if an auction doesn't >> have a >> "Buy it now" price? >> >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> >> > > > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 15 20:44:59 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:44:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <8C9352BD779901F-16F4-465B@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070314102304.00866290@earthlink.net> <8F66C744-C822-4001-8BB9-E6275D6307F6@thegreatbear.net> <8C9352BD779901F-16F4-465B@WEBMAIL-MB13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1B11879D-97C6-4B43-A6C0-6F3452AB340B@thegreatbear.net> hi ben they all select record and the transport moves into record and the input meters on source see a signal but nothing is recorded and / or previous material is not erased... adrian On 15 Mar 2007, at 15:15, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Adrian, > What happens when you try to record. Does is record something ok > which when you listen to tape sounds weird? Or will it not select > record at all? > Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: adrian at thegreatbear.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 8.48AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted > > all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to > playback fine but do not record.. > > these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 > > I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common > areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models > that have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if > climate has a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? > > adrian > > On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > > > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > > have seen 4 > > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > > > tom > > > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: > >>>>> > > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near > the > bias > > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > > circuit." > > > > Hi Tom, > > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > > ones most > > likely to fail? > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > > free from > > AOL at AOL.com. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > <<<< > > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 15 21:45:07 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:45:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reliability metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F9B053.4010303@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> But overclocking can complicate things. :-) > > I haven't seen too many people that overclocked their disks (especially > TiVo disks). You do this by watching action movies :-). > To get this a little back on a relevant topic (reliability)... > > I would not be so enamoured by the MTBF failures on anything these does, > nor on warranty lengths. > > MTBFs are done by statistical extrapolations. It's not like they go and > measure something and just count how many fail in 5 years. It's *exactly* like they measure something, but not as simplistically as you suggest below. > They run accelerated tests in a laboratory and assume they > can calculate out failure rates in the real world under supposedly > less-stringent "normal use." In all product development I have managed over many, many, many years, tests were not 'accelerated'. I am not even sure how one 'accelerates' tests. The test is exactly like normal use, except than many units are tested simultaneously to cut the test time down. I also do not follow your 'they assume' remark. Engineering is an exact science. Engineers do not 'assume'. They either know (in which case they produce a quality product) or they don't (in which case they are soon out of a job). > The probably isn't the statistical calculations as much as it's that the > results are only as good > as the assumptions that go into the calculations ("normal use" is really > less stringent, running > it flat out 24x7 is worse than spin-up/down/power cycling transients, > etc.). I think a lot of place > make 'optimistic' assumptions. > > As for warranties, maybe in the old days (or maybe even not then, but > certainly not > now), it might have meant 'we think this will last for the warranty > period.' Today it means more of > 'Taking into account all sorts of things, including items such as > laziness and frustration of the consumer > so much that they're just not going to bother to make a claim, we think > we can cheaply enough > replace the number of items that will actually get claimed to have been > broken and still make a reasonable profit.' It's a little more complex than that. Repairing a product under warranty is very costly to the manufacturer. Warranty duration is a carefully calculated number, aimed at maximizing profit margin for the manufacturer. Shorter warranty reduces sales and damages the manufacturer image in the market place; longer warranty increases repair costs. Offered warranty is a trade off between these two. Assuming an honest manufacturer (otherwise, the warranty is worth nothing, regardless of stated duration), warranty duration correlates fairly well with product MTBF. -- Ron > One place I worked at figured they could essentially reneg on a > non-disclosure agreement/promise simply because they > estimated who'd actually get upset and how much they'd cost/lose in > business, and it was the more acceptable > risk to them. They were not a particularly bad company at the time, as > things go, and this was mid-1980s. > > -kby From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 22:16:35 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <20070315180135.MCEI16421.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <921031.95303.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland, Actually, I ve had my money refunded twice after dispute. Only one issue though. They take a month to resolve and your money is stuck for a month. period. Ram Roland wrote: Wow! I took a look at the auction and that is a nice looking unit. I wish you well and I would have to agree the seller does look legit. The blue/green bar graph looks cool and so does the documentation. I wish you well. I wouldn't count on Paypal for fraud but if you used a charge card, you can have your card issuer do a charge back if the item is not as shown, nor working or the seller was bogus. Paypal and fraud go hand in hand like the US government and taxes. Both want to do something about it while they do nothing. Good luck! At 01:32 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: >Hi, > >No this wan not one of those 1 day listings. > >This was a legitimate ebayer selling this for a while. he wanted >over $2000 intitially and it wouldnt sell. He listed thrice in 2 >months. he had also sold a ZXL limited( gold) in december and that >got a good feedback too. That 1 sold for $4300 or so. I placed to >$3250 and lost out. > >This one I got for $1100( says perfect condition-no flaws)....lets >see tomorrow or Monday. Its being fedexed from mexico today overnight. > >I paid through paypal and its covered for fraud for upto $2000. > >I hope I am right, and thanks for the advise. > >Ram >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 22:22:58 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <002901c76730$b0bc73a0$53d017c4@home> Message-ID: <20070315212258.897.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Thanks for the concern. I am impatiently awaiting the arrival by Monday of the deck myself. Hope alls well. I have communicated from the time he sold a limited zxl in December and that deal seems to be consummated well. I checked his other items and he has had no issues to date. He is a local consolidator. If in a couple of weeks I dont get it or its not as described( i hope that doesnt happen) I ll file a paypal claim and get my full refund back in a month. Its covered upto $2000. The entire deal was done through ebay and there was no mention of any other type of emails or outside check outs etc. etc. etc. Lets wait and watch! I shall keep all posted, and thanks for the concern again. Ram drewes wrote: There was recently a 'set up' in Spain through a reversing into an eBay Account scam---also a 1000ZXL involved--We all await the arrival tommorrow!!!!!! Please let us know when you get it. For a deal like that --always speak to the seller by phone to verify---then phone your international tel number provider to see if the tel number ties in with the address for that number.--- To see whether the chap actually exists at the number.There have been too many 1000ZXL scams on eBay as its a high value item! If something goes wrong at least you then have a verified address where the police can find the scammer! Did you get the FEDEX tracking number yet? BTW does the seller collect 1000ZXL 's that he can sell them that often?Your seller is propably a decent chappie and there is nothing wrong with your deal.Those would have been my checking criteria however! I am propably just raising too many concerns .I am normally not that neurotic with eBay purchases!!! The history of 1000ZXL's on eBay makes me extremely weary! The sellers use the same pictures whether the sellers are from China,USA,Spain or France --all of them want to be emailed at a different eMail address --and not thru 'ask seller a question' (eBay facility) and MOST of them state a buy it now price that does not go thru the eBay 'buy now' mechanism.So in yourcase you are propably quite safe! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. .AOLPlainTextBody { FONT-SIZE: 12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff } .AOLPlainTextBody PRE { FONT-SIZE: 9pt } .AOLInlineAttachment { MARGIN: 10px } .AOLAttachmentHeader { BORDER-RIGHT: #7da8d4 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #7da8d4 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; FONT: 11px arial; BORDER-LEFT: #7da8d4 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #7da8d4 1px solid } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BACKGROUND: #b5ddfa; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; FONT: 11px arial; PADDING-TOP: 3px } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 9px; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1px; FONT: 11px arial; COLOR: #000000; PADDING-TOP: 1px } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; FONT: 11px arial; COLOR: #000000 } .AOLAttachmentHeader A { COLOR: #2864b4; TEXT-DECORATION: none } .AOLImage A { COLOR: #2864b4; TEXT-DECORATION: none } .AOLAttachmentHeader A:hover { COLOR: #2864b4; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } .AOLImage A:hover { COLOR: #2864b4; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } .AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 1px; HEIGHT: 1px } .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 1px; HEIGHT: 1px } BODY { BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana"; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white } .AOLWebSuiteCompose P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } IMG.managedImg { WIDTH: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px } IMG.placeholder { BORDER-RIGHT: #dadad6 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #dadad6 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f4f4f4 no-repeat center center; BORDER-LEFT: #dadad6 1px solid; WIDTH: 275px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #dadad6 1px solid; HEIGHT: 206px } Dear fellow Nak lovers, After listening to all the posts about the 1000 zxl, I finally got one yesterday from ebay. 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Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 22:26:37 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <6037.79866.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313648.44001.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes it was for a BIN of $1600. I have been communicating with this guy ( javier is his name) since early Jan....this is his third or fourth listing of the same. He accepted my offer of $1100 plus (ridiculous) $200 to fedex it to me to New York Overnight via Fedex. I was also a bidder for his zxl limited gold deck in December but lost it to another bidder. He changed the auction for me( made the price lower on bin) and I bought and the rest is known. All done last evening eastern time last evening. thanks ram LENA WONG wrote: I thought the 1000ZXL that the ebay seller from MEXICO was listed as more than $1100 for "BUY IT NOW PRICE" yesterday when it was first posted on ebay. I might have bad eyes though. drewes wrote: There was recently a 'set up' in Spain through a reversing into an eBay Account scam---also a 1000ZXL involved--We all await the arrival tommorrow!!!!!! Please let us know when you get it. For a deal like that --always speak to the seller by phone to verify---then phone your international tel number provider to see if the tel number ties in with the address for that number.--- To see whether the chap actually exists at the number.There have been too many 1000ZXL scams on eBay as its a high value item! If something goes wrong at least you then have a verified address where the police can find the scammer! Did you get the FEDEX tracking number yet? BTW does the seller collect 1000ZXL 's that he can sell them that often?Your seller is propably a decent chappie and there is nothing wrong with your deal.Those would have been my checking criteria however! I am propably just raising too many concerns .I am normally not that neurotic with eBay purchases!!! The history of 1000ZXL's on eBay makes me extremely weary! The sellers use the same pictures whether the sellers are from China,USA,Spain or France --all of them want to be emailed at a different eMail address --and not thru 'ask seller a question' (eBay facility) and MOST of them state a buy it now price that does not go thru the eBay 'buy now' mechanism.So in yourcase you are propably quite safe! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! 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I hope this one is as listed. 100% working order. Just had to buy it.......after all of last weeks posts here! Ram --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! 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Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 15 22:29:17 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. In-Reply-To: <313648.44001.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <599965.55782.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congratulation !!! shanti ramachandran wrote: Yes it was for a BIN of $1600. I have been communicating with this guy ( javier is his name) since early Jan....this is his third or fourth listing of the same. He accepted my offer of $1100 plus (ridiculous) $200 to fedex it to me to New York Overnight via Fedex. I was also a bidder for his zxl limited gold deck in December but lost it to another bidder. He changed the auction for me( made the price lower on bin) and I bought and the rest is known. All done last evening eastern time last evening. thanks ram LENA WONG wrote: I thought the 1000ZXL that the ebay seller from MEXICO was listed as more than $1100 for "BUY IT NOW PRICE" yesterday when it was first posted on ebay. I might have bad eyes though. drewes wrote: There was recently a 'set up' in Spain through a reversing into an eBay Account scam---also a 1000ZXL involved--We all await the arrival tommorrow!!!!!! Please let us know when you get it. For a deal like that --always speak to the seller by phone to verify---then phone your international tel number provider to see if the tel number ties in with the address for that number.--- To see whether the chap actually exists at the number.There have been too many 1000ZXL scams on eBay as its a high value item! If something goes wrong at least you then have a verified address where the police can find the scammer! Did you get the FEDEX tracking number yet? BTW does the seller collect 1000ZXL 's that he can sell them that often?Your seller is propably a decent chappie and there is nothing wrong with your deal.Those would have been my checking criteria however! I am propably just raising too many concerns .I am normally not that neurotic with eBay purchases!!! The history of 1000ZXL's on eBay makes me extremely weary! The sellers use the same pictures whether the sellers are from China,USA,Spain or France --all of them want to be emailed at a different eMail address --and not thru 'ask seller a question' (eBay facility) and MOST of them state a buy it now price that does not go thru the eBay 'buy now' mechanism.So in yourcase you are propably quite safe! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! Finally. Thanks Ben, I am supposed to get it tomorrow.( friday) The seller is overnighting it from Mexico.I paid $200 insured fedex for the same, so damage, is nonexistant. This is the same seller who sold a ZXL limited in december to a guy in Spain and got good reviews. Lets hope I can do the same. Just anxious, a we nakkers are very picky and I am no exception. Shall post soon. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Well Done Ram. I hope the journey is good to her and she arrives ok. Let us know how she fires up. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10.28AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL! 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URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 23:10:06 2007 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680, L101 / L201 look like they've melted In-Reply-To: <8F15CDBA-9773-4377-9573-7537D21D5455@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <104804.96873.qm@web84107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While I am hardly a technical guru like many here, the manual for my camera flash talks about reforming the capacitor after long periods of disuse. Basically you fully charge the capacitor and then discharge it using the maximum flash power several times in a row. That procedure is supposed to allow the flash to operate at optimum capacity. Larry "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: but the orange caps are not electrolytics, they're film type aren't they? In the service manual they're described as 'metallized polypropylene'. Slightly off topic I've also heard that the fluid in electrolytics can 'reform' is used correctly after long periods of time and there's also the motherboard capacitor scandal where an unfinished fluid recipe was stolen from one manufacturer and used to make capacitors which then got used in many many PC motherboards which of course all started leaking very quickly... I had a P4 board that did this.. back to nakamichis Kannan has written an excellent page about the problem here: http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ adrian On 15 Mar 2007, at 12:48, Bob Naylor wrote: > I have heard that the electrolytics will last if they're powered up > often and the problems with them are due to sitting un-powered for > extended periods of time. Opinions? > Bob > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > Yes, humidity has an adverse effect on tape deck electronics and > some tapes themselves. > I remember living in india (this is in the 70s) and some Maxells > would just stick in the recorder due to the high heat and humidity. > > Ditto for the circuitry inside electronic components and deck > transports too. > > Ram > > > "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: > all my naks at the moment have this problem! They all seem to > playback fine but do not record.. > > these are, 680, 682ZX, 480, 582 and a 580 > > I'd definately agree with Tom's view that these are the most common > areas for the orange caps to go first.. these are all UK models that > have spent their life in our wet country and I wonder if climate has > a possible affect on the aging of these capacitors? > > adrian > > > On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:23, Hi Tech wrote: > > > Yes. I suppose this is a stressful application for the caps. We > > have seen 4 > > or 5 failures here, and only 2 others in other circuits. > > > > tom > > > > At 11:12 AM 3/14/07 EDT, you wrote: > >>>>> > > "The 680 series really only needs the 2 small orange caps near the > > bias > > transformer changed. Follow the erase head wire to find the bias > > circuit." > > > > Hi Tom, > > I'm curious about this. You're saying that these 2 caps are the > > ones most > > likely to fail? > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 16 00:33:16 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:33:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reliability metrics Message-ID: > It's *exactly* like they measure something, but not > as simplistically as you suggest below. I didn't mean to imply nothing was mesured. It just isn't necessarily EXACTLY the thing that's being measured. For a 5 year warranty, it isn't like you take a hundred items (just an exemplary number) and run them for 5 years, then calculate the failure rate as #failed/100. As you yourself pointed out you run many more of them simultaneously than (say, just for example, a 1000--again I'm not coming up with the exact correct number) and figure you can calculate the failure rate of 100 in 5 years. in less than 5 years. That is what I meant by accelerated, so I don't think we disagree (there are probably other "acceleration" methods used for different things, but that's not important for this). But you are assuming that failure is a simple yes or no thing, among other things; what if an item fails that only has long term effects, what if you got a particularly good (or bad) sample, etc. Don't say good engineers don't make assumptions, they just hopefully make good assumptions that hold up under normal circumstances. You assume gravity isn't going to change. I am not saying it's likely to, but it is an assumption.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Mar 16 00:48:33 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:48:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <200703151839.l2FIdqst019064@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703151839.l2FIdqst019064@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 01:46:41 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070316004641.82852.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 01:51:58 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <924028.12287.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I tried to register at ebaman and it complained about the name I entered without telling me what it didn't like. I wanted to register with my yahoo account name and email to keep it simple. Also, it echoes back the password I type in, so I don't want to put too much personal data on an insecure system. I wonder hat name should I use and in what format? In the meantime, I would like the user manual for the 680zx I just got. If someone can email me a copy I'd appreciate it. Thanks, David --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Its simple. > There are however a couple of things, mostly to > prevent abuse and leechers > (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). > > First you need to register, its important, for the > reason above. > After you have registered you should receive an > email with details how to > confirm your registration, just click the supplied > link and its done. > > If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me > a mail and I sort it > out. > There has been a couple of members sitting behind a > ill-configured > spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. > > Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". > Fill out the form, Document name, description, some > keywords for searching, > select the Category where it should go, if it does > not exist, select the > Category closest to the document. > Klick "browse" to select the local file on your > computer that you want to > upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, > you can associate that > picture in the second box, and that picture will be > uploaded as well. > > Thats all. > I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, > after I have approved > them, they will be avaible for download. > > Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery > to find the document > you want to download, click the download button, or > click the picture for > more info, comments etc. > You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e > if it is not correct or > pages missing etc. > > Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you > have to be a member and > only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. > > Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a > member. > > It is my hope that we all will have great use of > ebaman, not only for naks > but for other equipment as well. > > I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is > much easier for me to > handle the site since it is more or less automatic, > my olds site, > naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too > much time, and since my > interests is not only in audio, but many other areas > as well (were I might > need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for > naks.mine.nu and my > Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. > > > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Mar 16 01:52:34 2007 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:52:34 -0400 Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net References: <200703151839.l2FIdqst019064@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1089C7831AFACA4482A575B47EC36CC901826D28@ddas19.ddar.psu.edu> I just got a newly serviced Cassette Deck Two myself. $20 bargain blow out at a local repair shop. I agree with everything you said. Bass was really, really strong but upper end detail was weak compared to higher end decks. Playback was okay, recording was a little weaker, as expected. Look and Feel and very nice though. Display, controls, very sweet. Might stay on the look out for a CD1. Unfortunately my TA-4s remote connection is a DIN, and the CD2 is a mini-plug. Are there any adapters available out there? ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: Thu 3/15/2007 7:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [SPAM] - [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! - Sending mail server found on dnsbl.sorbs.net Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tomas at tlec.se Fri Mar 16 02:22:34 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:22:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <924028.12287.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <924028.12287.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Frip_em If you could email me what response you've got, and what username you tried, I would be helpful. There is a lot of people with yahoo addresses, so thats not an issue. Re: The clear password, I think it is a web-browser thing. Basically what is happening is this: (as all interactive things on the web works) Your web-browser is downloading a form from the server, in the html-code that the server sends to you, it instructs the web-browser to hide what you are typing, now if the web-browser dont understand or there is some settings in your configuration that inhibits this function, the browser will show what you are typing. When you hit the submit-button, the web-browser tells the server that it is sending som data to the server and that data is the contents of the form-fields. It looks like this: Browser sends: "POST" "Data" "end". Where "POST" is the instruction for the server to receive the pay-load "DATA". The Server answers with "got it". Thats all. To With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:52 AM > To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] service bulletins > > I tried to register at ebaman and it complained about the > name I entered without telling me what it didn't like. I > wanted to register with my yahoo account name and email to > keep it simple. Also, it echoes back the password I type in, > so I don't want to put too much personal data on an insecure system. > > I wonder hat name should I use and in what format? In the > meantime, I would like the user manual for the 680zx I just > got. If someone can email me a copy I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks, > David > > --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > > > Its simple. > > There are however a couple of things, mostly to prevent abuse and > > leechers (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). > > > > First you need to register, its important, for the reason above. > > After you have registered you should receive an email with > details how > > to confirm your registration, just click the supplied link and its > > done. > > > > If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me a mail > and I sort > > it out. > > There has been a couple of members sitting behind a ill-configured > > spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. > > > > Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". > > Fill out the form, Document name, description, some keywords for > > searching, select the Category where it should go, if it does not > > exist, select the Category closest to the document. > > Klick "browse" to select the local file on your computer > that you want > > to upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, you can > > associate that picture in the second box, and that picture will be > > uploaded as well. > > > > Thats all. > > I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, after I have > > approved them, they will be avaible for download. > > > > Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery to find the > > document you want to download, click the download button, > or click the > > picture for more info, comments etc. > > You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e if it is not > > correct or pages missing etc. > > > > Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you have to be a > > member and only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. > > > > Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a member. > > > > It is my hope that we all will have great use of ebaman, > not only for > > naks but for other equipment as well. > > > > I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is much > easier for > > me to handle the site since it is more or less automatic, my olds > > site, naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too much > time, and > > since my interests is not only in audio, but many other > areas as well > > (were I might need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for > > naks.mine.nu and my Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. > > > > > > > > > > > > With best regards > > > > Tomas Larsson > > Sweden > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > http://games.yahoo.com/games/front > From johngipps at aol.com Fri Mar 16 02:31:27 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:31:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Message-ID: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 02:43:34 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <924028.12287.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <332233.59416.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David, PLease visit hifhiengine.com and you will find a pdf of most Nak machines there, besides other brands. You can download and save to your computer. Enjoy. Ram fripp_em wrote: I tried to register at ebaman and it complained about the name I entered without telling me what it didn't like. I wanted to register with my yahoo account name and email to keep it simple. Also, it echoes back the password I type in, so I don't want to put too much personal data on an insecure system. I wonder hat name should I use and in what format? In the meantime, I would like the user manual for the 680zx I just got. If someone can email me a copy I'd appreciate it. Thanks, David --- Tomas Larsson wrote: > Its simple. > There are however a couple of things, mostly to > prevent abuse and leechers > (those that download, compile CD's and sell them). > > First you need to register, its important, for the > reason above. > After you have registered you should receive an > email with details how to > confirm your registration, just click the supplied > link and its done. > > If you don't receive the confirmation mail, drop me > a mail and I sort it > out. > There has been a couple of members sitting behind a > ill-configured > spam-trap, that deletes the confirmation mail's. > > Then you go to the "Files Area", select "Upload". > Fill out the form, Document name, description, some > keywords for searching, > select the Category where it should go, if it does > not exist, select the > Category closest to the document. > Klick "browse" to select the local file on your > computer that you want to > upload, if you have a jpg picture of the equipment, > you can associate that > picture in the second box, and that picture will be > uploaded as well. > > Thats all. > I am trying to log in each day to approve uploads, > after I have approved > them, they will be avaible for download. > > Downloading is even simpler, browse the file gallery > to find the document > you want to download, click the download button, or > click the picture for > more info, comments etc. > You have also the possibility to comment a file, i.e > if it is not correct or > pages missing etc. > > Now there are some restrictions in downloading, you > have to be a member and > only 5 downloads/24h is allowed thats all. > > Same applies to the forum section, you have to be a > member. > > It is my hope that we all will have great use of > ebaman, not only for naks > but for other equipment as well. > > I have decided to do it this way becaise there it is > much easier for me to > handle the site since it is more or less automatic, > my olds site, > naks.mine.nu was to heave to work with, took too > much time, and since my > interests is not only in audio, but many other areas > as well (were I might > need manuals) ebaman was the natural replacement for > naks.mine.nu and my > Citroen xm site ktl.mine.nu. > > > > > > With best regards > > Tomas Larsson > Sweden > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:06:15 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Message-ID: <401474.48618.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, Thanks for the detailed explanation. How about using MP caps instead? They have a high voltage rating and are able to take repeated stress. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:31:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:09:16 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <332233.59416.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070316020916.21607.qmail@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Excellent! Just what I needed. Now I can try recording at half speed. So far I was using the past week in normal speed and didn't want to try half speed until I saw how to set it up from the manual. Thanks again. David --- shanti ramachandran wrote: > David, > > PLease visit hifhiengine.com and you will find a > pdf of most Nak machines there, besides other > brands. > > You can download and save to your computer. > > Enjoy. > > Ram > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:18:23 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins In-Reply-To: <20070316020916.21607.qmail@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <882118.71364.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Half speed is simple. switch the knob to half speed selection. Eq set to 120 irrespective of tape used. Keepdolby offf while calibrating. set vu to calib position. press rec and pause then play. deck with adjust azimuth, then levels will show. Take screw driver and to left of deck indicating low speed there are screws to make level read odbon meters r and l. Once az and levels are done you may move vu lever to peak hold or vu . rewind tape and start recording. Keep levels 3-4 db lower than at full speed, as theres less head room a lower speed. If you used good quality tapes, the recording will sound unbelievable. If youhear w/f like I did on mine, hen its a trip to Tom Brucker's Hi Tech Labs. Good luck. Lets hear what happened. Ram fripp_em wrote: Excellent! Just what I needed. Now I can try recording at half speed. So far I was using the past week in normal speed and didn't want to try half speed until I saw how to set it up from the manual. Thanks again. David --- shanti ramachandran wrote: > David, > > PLease visit hifhiengine.com and you will find a > pdf of most Nak machines there, besides other > brands. > > You can download and save to your computer. > > Enjoy. > > Ram > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:21:52 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <693960.70393.qm@web50002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> well guess I'll chime in here the BX-300 problem sounds like a Idler tier and that's all.ya can get one from Dean on this list for 6 or 7dollars. I like my BX-300 alot Tom from Hi tech did a great job on it. earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:38:41 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Message-ID: <430878.73699.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I really laughed hearing that one.. yes the ZXLs sure made me nervous the first time I saw them.. But the 80s cassette decks made me every more nervous with more and more complex circuits! Reel to reel was simpler (caveat is, Ram, the GX 747 is quite complex) Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:46:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Mar 16 03:48:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:48:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 7:23:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, r1seals at yahoo.com writes: well guess I'll chime in here the BX-300 problem sounds like a Idler tier and that's all.ya can get one from Dean on this list for 6 or 7dollars. I like my BX-300 alot Tom from Hi tech did a great job on it. You can get one from MCM for 60 cents. Part # 32-5665. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 03:59:22 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] capicators in electronics Message-ID: <781455.74405.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not surprised with this number. When you consider equipment from the early 80s (ZXLs, ZX7/9 , Dragon etc) they are almost a quarter of a century old. For example, the quoted lifespan for an e-cap is about 10 years. This figure varies for different components, types of components and their application within the circuit. And the known to fail parts do not take into account parts that fail randomly. So in effect, it is prudent to change these parts and completely perform an electronic calibration on the machine. Best Regards Bala Ganesh ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:10:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] capicators in electronics In a message dated 3/15/2007 8:49:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: I have seen many Electrolytic cap failures in Naks. I have seen electrolytic caps in Dragon, CR7 power supply regulators, CR3 and BX and CR series Decks mostly on power supply regulation or motor control circuits. Do not assume that only Orange caps can be troublesome. So failures should be looked at without any assumptions excepting classic Orange Cap failure areas like Bias OScillator on 58X,68X,48x,ZX series Decks. I have seen Failures of Orange caps in Dolby circuits, Dragon NAAC areas as well. replacing caps en masse would be a big job considering hundreds of caps in a single Nak deck? Just FYI, in my newly rebuilt ZX-7 and BX-300, ESL replaced 20 caps and 10 resistors, and 7 caps and 4 resistors, respectively. That is the actual numbers of the "Known to fail parts" (their phrase). Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 04:01:34 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping In-Reply-To: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <247502.63207.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are quite right about pumping in Dolby - this is not due to Orange caps -probably the Level matching problem. Nak play level calibration should be done after head alignment. Crackling noise is specifically due to Orange Caps. Dolby circuit Cap value should be as close to the value mentioned in the service manual. Faud - one Naktalk member replaced dolby caps with little different values on his 700 ZXE and we both observed strange sound of cassttes recorded with Dolby in this machine when played on other machines! Kannan johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Mar 16 04:01:49 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:01:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 7:23:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, r1seals at yahoo.com writes: well guess I'll chime in here the BX-300 problem sounds like a Idler tier and that's all.ya can get one from Dean on this list for 6 or 7dollars. Oh yeah, and while you're buying the idler tire for 60 cents from MCM, you can get a working belt for the BX-300 part number 42-1900 for about a buck, and a tape tension belt part number 42-195 for about 50 cents. Their shipping costs are not too good, so it's a good idea to buy all three at once. When you're changing the idler tire, the tape tension belt is right there and you can do that in about a minute. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Fri Mar 16 04:01:59 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:01:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in your post? Message-ID: I'm very very curious to what you did.... I did'nt quite understand... as I probably missed much of the communication. Thanks... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Fri Mar 16 04:21:56 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:21:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps In-Reply-To: <200703160211.l2G2BCUd023944@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703160211.l2G2BCUd023944@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C9359162B56BB9-15C8-1A17@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bala By MP I assume you are referring to metallised polypropylene? I think the orange caps are just that. Any good quality film capacitor could be used in a bias oscillator and it will work fine. The voltage rating of the capacitor needs to be adequate at high frequencies. (The voltage rating of a film capacitor usually decreases with increasing frequency). In general, a 100V DC rating is sufficient for the capacitors in a Nakamichi bias oscillator. There is a school of thought that says you should choose capacitors with low Dissipation Factor (otherwise called dielectric loss or tan delta) for a bias oscillator. The theory is that a "high Q" (means same as low loss and is a term often used in oscillator descriptions) capacitor is likely to result in a harmonically purer oscillator waveform, and that this can result is less colouration and intermodulation of the audio signal during the record process. If you are attracted to this idea (and I think there is some truth in it), then you would choose poystyrene - the lowest DF film capacitors. Polypropylene is in second place for DF in film capacitors. So yes - you could use MP - but why not go for polystyrene. If you do choose MP, please make sure they are not orange. Regards John P.S. Good luck Ram - hope your 1000ZXL is perfect. By the way, there are 357 orange caps in a 1000ZXL. Just kidding. Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <401474.48618.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi John, Thanks for the detailed explanation. How about using MP caps instead? They have a high voltage rating and are able to take repeated stress. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:31:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 05:21:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Message-ID: <792799.43962.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John, You are right on it. I tried MP caps on the playback board of the ZXL. They seem to work fine. I used mostly 100Volt ratings. Of course 'styenes would be better, and they are well preferred in audio- for exactly same reasons you mentioned. Most of the MP caps I got were the box type - the lead pitch is the same as the orange ones, so the new ones dropped right in. Changing to styrenes yes, I sense a new project waiting for me! Regards, Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:21:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps Hi Bala By MP I assume you are referring to metallised polypropylene? I think the orange caps are just that. Any good quality film capacitor could be used in a bias oscillator and it will work fine. The voltage rating of the capacitor needs to be adequate at high frequencies. (The voltage rating of a film capacitor usually decreases with increasing frequency). In general, a 100V DC rating is sufficient for the capacitors in a Nakamichi bias oscillator. There is a school of thought that says you should choose capacitors with low Dissipation Factor (otherwise called dielectric loss or tan delta) for a bias oscillator. The theory is that a "high Q" (means same as low loss and is a term often used in oscillator descriptions) capacitor is likely to result in a harmonically purer oscillator waveform, and that this can result is less colouration and intermodulation of the audio signal during the record process. If you are attracted to this idea (and I think there is some truth in it), then you would choose poystyrene - the lowest DF film capacitors. Polypropylene is in second place for DF in film capacitors. So yes - you could use MP - but why not go for polystyrene. If you do choose MP, please make sure they are not orange. Regards John P.S. Good luck Ram - hope your 1000ZXL is perfect. By the way, there are 357 orange caps in a 1000ZXL. Just kidding. Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <401474.48618.qm at web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi John, Thanks for the detailed explanation. How about using MP caps instead? They have a high voltage rating and are able to take repeated stress. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "johngipps at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:31:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Mar 16 05:23:16 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <430878.73699.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <190968.76525.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> But I think the greatest cassette deck collector should belong to Victor Trifu. I don't think anyone will be able to beat him. He probably has all the great decks available in his collection. Really Super Impressive. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I really laughed hearing that one.. yes the ZXLs sure made me nervous the first time I saw them.. But the 80s cassette decks made me every more nervous with more and more complex circuits! Reel to reel was simpler (caveat is, Ram, the GX 747 is quite complex) Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:46:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 05:44:30 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Message-ID: <905715.21795.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes indeed. Victor is a great guy. I do not see collecting cassette decks as a sport and compare with anyone though. I have sold off many cassette and reel decks which I felt I have listened to and would want to let go. And I've passed on offers to buy more decks. All the machines in my collection are ones which I like and listen to on a very frequent basis. Having said that, his collection is spectacular and I really admire him for giving his machines a wonderful space and having to go through all that effort to procure and maintain his machines. But ask him and he'll be so modest about it! :D Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! But I think the greatest cassette deck collector should belong to Victor Trifu. I don't think anyone will be able to beat him. He probably has all the great decks available in his collection. Really Super Impressive. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I really laughed hearing that one.. yes the ZXLs sure made me nervous the first time I saw them.. But the 80s cassette decks made me every more nervous with more and more complex circuits! Reel to reel was simpler (caveat is, Ram, the GX 747 is quite complex) Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:46:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From znyuzo at freemail.hu Fri Mar 16 06:40:32 2007 From: znyuzo at freemail.hu (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ny=FAz=F3_Zsolt_=28Freemail=29?=) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:40:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] appreciation of Scott's IR remote In-Reply-To: <5parb0$5r8o9l@smtp.talktalk.net> References: <5parb0$5r8o9l@smtp.talktalk.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c7678d$9ce68070$d6b38150$@hu> The same with me. I have received my IR receiver unit last week and it works flowlessly with my DRAGON. Presently I am using an older and partially damaged model remote (Sunwave SRC-3000 programmable universal IR remote unit), but the new (a Sunwave SRC-7000) is expected Monday next week) As Scott's IR remote unit does not require anything special to work, I am absolutely convinced that it is the best available on the market today. Scott's IR receiver's sensitivity is very good both regarding the distance and the angle. It also gives a feedback, whether the code it has received is "understandable" by the unit (regardless of the fact that it has a function by the deck or not), it is easy to check whether you use the right code set or not. And last but not least please do not forget, that a part of it's price goes for naktalk ! I wish everybody the same good experience with the unit as I have ! Thanks Scott ! Zsolt from Hungary -----Original Message----- From: Kevin McGee [mailto:kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net] Sent: 2007. március 14. 23:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] appreciation of Scott's IR remote Just want to add my voice to the appreciation of Scott's IR remote project. Just received mine, works perfectly with my CR-3 and Sony RMT-814 (8mm Camcorder remote). Many thanks Kev. From victor_trifu at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 09:55:37 2007 From: victor_trifu at yahoo.com (Victor Trifu) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:55:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <905715.21795.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <905715.21795.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703160856.l2G8tuKx027333@zxe.naks.com> Hello everyone, First of all, thanks for all the informative posts, I have been reading most of them for a few years now - even if I don't post that often. Second, thanks for the compliments re: my tape deck collection :) In my case, collecting tape decks is an addiction (293 decks to date, of which 30 Naks) I personally have no aspirations to be 'the #1' in any category. For me it's just the pure enjoyment of the design and craftsmanship of (most of) these machines and the audio quality they can produce. With some of them (e.g. Nagra T-Audio) it is almost a spiritually rewarding experience (joking of course!). I am now going through some rough times (having lost my job a few months ago). Surprisingly enough, my 'addiction' to collecting tape decks has turned out to be a possible way for me to make a living. I recently started selling a few of my duplicate decks. Before long, I was also buying tape decks decks that needed minor work and then reselling them for a profit. Even with a few BIG setbacks (=refunds) due to shipping damage, I am still 'in the black'. All the best to everyone, Victor P.S. There are some (not up to date) pics of my collection here: http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ At 12:44 AM 3/16/2007, you wrote: >Yes indeed. Victor is a great guy. I do not see collecting cassette >decks as a sport and compare with anyone though. I have sold off >many cassette and reel decks which I felt I have listened to and >would want to let go. And I've passed on offers to buy more decks. >All the machines in my collection are ones which I like and listen >to on a very frequent basis. > >Having said that, his collection is spectacular and I really admire >him for giving his machines a wonderful space and having to go >through all that effort to procure and maintain his machines. But >ask him and he'll be so modest about it! :D > >Bala > >----- Original Message ---- >From: LENA WONG >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23:16 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too >and now sold BUT! > >But I think the greatest cassette deck collector should belong to >Victor Trifu. I don't think anyone will be able to beat him. He >probably has all the great decks available in his collection. Really >Super Impressive. > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >I really laughed hearing that one.. yes the ZXLs sure made me >nervous the first time I saw them.. But the 80s cassette decks made >me every more nervous with more and more complex circuits! Reel to >reel was simpler (caveat is, Ram, the GX 747 is quite complex) > >Bala > >----- Original Message ---- >From: shanti ramachandran >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:46:41 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too >and now sold BUT! > >Well, > >Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when >I bought the ZXL yesterday. > >Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster >deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we >all know Murphy's law.... > >I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! >Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex >tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! > >Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. > >Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who >convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 >Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX >and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. > >Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. > >Ram >earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: >Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of >you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly >serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. > >The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the >300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) >whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less >musically interesting. > >I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they >were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen >price. I concur with this. > >I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it >has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its >the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W >would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had >really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by >1987 or so. > >Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of >course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it >is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and >modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good >modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great >feel. > >Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is >quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit >noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. > >Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes >but generally doesnt. > >When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 >e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as >adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get >the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont >have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from >the motors? > >It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one >sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a >good home so its a case of win some loose some. > >My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro >repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least >when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from >the start. > >As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and >when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to >refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an >appointment he is keeping a low profile. > >All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! > >The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite >breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus >Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 >and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or >homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... > >So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room >with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My >wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 >months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. > >To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have >successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and >have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively >brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up >within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought >the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the >local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. > >I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your >prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) > >Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise >its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my >money too badly. > >Peace >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >8:00? 8:25? 8:40? >Find >a flick in no time >with >theYahoo! >Search movie showtime shortcut. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Don't pick lemons. >See all the >new >2007 cars at >Yahoo! >Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >The fish are biting. >Get >more visitors on your site using >Yahoo! >Search Marketing. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Mar 16 11:42:57 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:42:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping In-Reply-To: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C935CEFEA7F232-C84-A7FD@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> John, Excellent Info, I have left channel crackling while recording on my 1000zxl which Bala and Tom are helping me with. This will help to trace the problem hopefully. Once I have, recommended suppliers and types of replacement caps would be appreciated. Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 1.31AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Hi All I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias oscillator is 4.7nF. As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an orange cap may be the culprit. You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - replace both L & R caps. I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this happens. Regards John Gipps AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Mar 16 12:36:33 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:36:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping In-Reply-To: <8C935CEFEA7F232-C84-A7FD@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> <8C935CEFEA7F232-C84-A7FD@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <85502794-A1DB-484A-B9D4-D467452BF0E3@thegreatbear.net> hi ben i'm about to order a collection of caps etc from RS in the UK. They have a good selection of high quality ones which some other suppliers do not.. you cannot buy from them unless you are a business though. i have just opened an account and will happily order your parts along with mine if you let me know the part nos etc.. have a look at their site: www.rswww.com adrian On 16 Mar 2007, at 10:42, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > John, > Excellent Info, I have left channel crackling while recording on my > 1000zxl which Bala and Tom are helping me with. This will help to > trace the problem hopefully. Once I have, recommended suppliers > and types of replacement caps would be appreciated. > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johngipps at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 1.31AM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping > > Hi All > > I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - > probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite > hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over > them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric > stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree > with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or > polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias > oscillator is 4.7nF. > > As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've > replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise > and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when > they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for > the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - > anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may > appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an > orange cap may be the culprit. > > You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by > checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit > switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit > switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange > caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right > channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage > readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that > the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - > replace both L & R caps. > > I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" > due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe > a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in > EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this > happens. > > Regards > > John Gipps > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rich_121 at msn.com Fri Mar 16 12:36:46 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:36:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 882118.71364.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com Message-ID: What are the benefits of half-speed recording/playback, or is it just the onconvenience of more material on a given length of tape? Thanks.. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri Mar 16 13:10:21 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:10:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping In-Reply-To: <85502794-A1DB-484A-B9D4-D467452BF0E3@thegreatbear.net> References: <8C93581F3A44CFE-15C8-171D@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> <8C935CEFEA7F232-C84-A7FD@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> <85502794-A1DB-484A-B9D4-D467452BF0E3@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <8C935DB348543F3-C84-A976@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> Cheers Ade, I will endeavour to identify the list of components required ASAP but this may take some time. Next week I'm off to New Zealand for 3/4 weeks so you better proceed without me (Thanks for the offer). I would be interested in a list of the cap's utilised in each deck's situation to fast track diagnosis in future. There must be a pattern with each deck of the most likely cap's to fail (Bias Oscillators for e.g.) as decribed recently by John Gipps, Kannan & Bala. What I want to do is list these in order of likelihood to fail with diagnostic / test procedure and a list of the replacement cap's spec's and suppliers for each deck to assist anyone in a similar position. The 1000 ZXL has approx 20 PCB's! Good Luck, Ben -----Original Message----- From: adrian at thegreatbear.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11.36AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping hi ben i'm about to order a collection of caps etc from RS in the UK. They have a good selection of high quality ones which some other suppliers do not.. you cannot buy from them unless you are a business though. i have just opened an account and will happily order your parts along with mine if you let me know the part nos etc.. have a look at their site: www.rswww.com adrian On 16 Mar 2007, at 10:42, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > John, > Excellent Info, I have left channel crackling while recording on my > 1000zxl which Bala and Tom are helping me with. This will help to > trace the problem hopefully. Once I have, recommended suppliers > and types of replacement caps would be appreciated. > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johngipps at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 1.31AM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping > > Hi All > > I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - > probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite > hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over > them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric > stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree > with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or > polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias > oscillator is 4.7nF. > > As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've > replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise > and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when > they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for > the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - > anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may > appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an > orange cap may be the culprit. > > You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by > checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit > switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit > switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange > caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right > channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage > readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that > the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - > replace both L & R caps. > > I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" > due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe > a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in > EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this > happens. > > Regards > > John Gipps > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/> naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------> ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben -----Original Message----- From: rich_121 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11.36AM Subject: [naktalk] 882118.71364.qm at web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com What are the benefits of half-speed recording/playback, or is it just the onconvenience of more material on a given length of tape? Thanks.. Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 16 13:33:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <20070316004641.82852.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070316123304.9384.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. Peace ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! 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I was referring to the recording technique to a Nak member for the half speed mode on the 680 Zx. Regards Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: I'm very very curious to what you did.... I did'nt quite understand... as I probably missed much of the communication. Thanks... Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 14:19:39 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <200703160856.l2G8tuKx027333@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <412485.29749.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am in tune with Victor's statement of addiction. I am too in a much smaller scale. I am fairly new in this tape deck collector mind set and I can see no end to this long tunnel of the love of finely manufactured machines. I concur with Bala too, int that these machines sound so nice, yet all so different at the same time. Victor, I am amazed at the time and dedication you have spent, to organize this collection of yours. I hoped I would win your twin Dragons last week and get to see you in upstate NY but that was not to be. Good luck with your job pursuit and I hope you never have to sell your tape decks for want of money. Money is a commodity,,,,,,, these tape decks are our legacy! Bravo Victor. Hats Off! Ram Victor Trifu wrote: Hello everyone, First of all, thanks for all the informative posts, I have been reading most of them for a few years now - even if I don't post that often. Second, thanks for the compliments re: my tape deck collection :) In my case, collecting tape decks is an addiction (293 decks to date, of which 30 Naks) I personally have no aspirations to be 'the #1' in any category. For me it's just the pure enjoyment of the design and craftsmanship of (most of) these machines and the audio quality they can produce. With some of them (e.g. Nagra T-Audio) it is almost a spiritually rewarding experience (joking of course!). I am now going through some rough times (having lost my job a few months ago). Surprisingly enough, my 'addiction' to collecting tape decks has turned out to be a possible way for me to make a living. I recently started selling a few of my duplicate decks. Before long, I was also buying tape decks decks that needed minor work and then reselling them for a profit. Even with a few BIG setbacks (=refunds) due to shipping damage, I am still 'in the black'. All the best to everyone, Victor P.S. There are some (not up to date) pics of my collection here: http://www.screwloose.us/tapedecks/ At 12:44 AM 3/16/2007, you wrote: Yes indeed. Victor is a great guy. I do not see collecting cassette decks as a sport and compare with anyone though. I have sold off many cassette and reel decks which I felt I have listened to and would want to let go. And I've passed on offers to buy more decks. All the machines in my collection are ones which I like and listen to on a very frequent basis. Having said that, his collection is spectacular and I really admire him for giving his machines a wonderful space and having to go through all that effort to procure and maintain his machines. But ask him and he'll be so modest about it! :D Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! But I think the greatest cassette deck collector should belong to Victor Trifu. I don't think anyone will be able to beat him. He probably has all the great decks available in his collection. Really Super Impressive. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I really laughed hearing that one.. yes the ZXLs sure made me nervous the first time I saw them.. But the 80s cassette decks made me every more nervous with more and more complex circuits! Reel to reel was simpler (caveat is, Ram, the GX 747 is quite complex) Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:46:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Well, Perfect working order.Hmmm. Thats the quote I am familiar with when I bought the ZXL yesterday. Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. 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Message-ID: <618375.83630.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Contrary to what many would think about half-speed cassette, the 680ZX actually does a very good job at 15/16ips. So much that it actually matches modern mp3 codec if not betters it (thanks to being pure analogue). Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:00:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in your post? Rick, The 680ZX has 2 speed rec/plaback capabilities. One is regular 1 7/8ips and then there is a half speed of 15/16 ips. I was referring to the recording technique to a Nak member for the half speed mode on the 680 Zx. Regards Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: I'm very very curious to what you did.... I did'nt quite understand... as I probably missed much of the communication. Thanks... 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Now I am apprehensive as to whats not going to work on the monster deck! There are so many things in that deck to go wrong....and we all know Murphy's law.... I guess I might get lucky to like the ZX 9 I picked up on ebay last year! Well the delivery date is tomorrow by 1030 am as per fedex tracking..... we shall all know soon what I bought ! Stay tuned friends......until Saturday morning. Thanks for all the support and to those special Nakkers who convinced me to cough up for a ZXL, despite having 2 CR7s, 2 Dragons, a ZX7, 2 CR7As, a BX 300, a brand new DR2, an MR1, a 670ZX and 2 ( non functioning) 680ZXs and a Great ZX9. Yes, folks, I love cassette decks.Period. Ram earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Well I am awaiting arrival of Rams mexican deck with all the rest of you but I did say I would check in about the sound of the newly serviced Cassette Deck 2 as opposed to my new BX300 and 481z. The Difference between the CD2 and the 300 is that the sound of the 300 is behind and either side of the speakers (linn Isobariks) whereas the CD2 has a punchier sound (deeper bass) but was less musically interesting. I think our general view about the later cheaper decks is that they were designed to compete with a CD sound and of course at a keen price. I concur with this. I like the CD2 lights and ergonomics and being relatively modern it has very quiet circuits ..... its Dolby setting is so sweet that its the first time switching Dolby on, that i didnt wince. I guess B&W would have tweaked all these settings ..it was good. Maybe Nak had really got down to the essence of some of these basic circuits by 1987 or so. Build quality on this Made in Japan CD2 was very good indeed ...of course it was probably the cheapest deck Nak ever made ....... but it is still a well above average build and the design is agreeable and modern and IMO svelte. As i say I think the ergonomics are a good modern approach to control layout, quite thoughtful and with a great feel. Going back to the classic decks. The 300 compared to the 481z is quieter in the background circuit noise ...... however the circuit noise of the older deck is not in anyway intrusive. Sadly The 300e doesnt rewind or FF ...well it does ff or rw sometimes but generally doesnt. When I get to download Bobs <11 mb> super service manual for the 300 e I might find out what i can do...... (I am on a dial up here as adsl doesnt come as far as us). perhaps I can fix it rather than get the whole 140 pound service job. I guess a motor is going, I dont have any wd 40 to spray into it .....or should I keep wd 40 away from the motors? It also lost the cover on the bias knob so i hope to find one sometime. Otherwise it is in good cosmetic order and comes from a good home so its a case of win some loose some. My general policy of buying faulty naks and factoring in the pro repair costs into my bidding is one I recommend with eBay. At least when a deck is advertised as faulty the seller is being honest from the start. As ever the seller said the 300 was in 'perfect working order' and when I later advised him of the issues he originally offered to refund in whole or part .....but now I am trying to set up an appointment he is keeping a low profile. All of which I hope is of no relevance to Ram! The sound of the 300 which plays back fine is breathtaking, quite breathtaking and Im very grateful for all the recent Classic versus Sankyo mechanism discussions alerting me to the virtues of the 300 and it being the 'best bang for the buck'. Unless I find a faulty or homeless ZX9 I hope not to buy more...... So now I have 2 Naks one in the hifi den and one in the living room with the tuner where it hoovers up my favourite radio programs. My wife has listened to more music in the last week tha the last 12 months so thats a sue sign something is catching her ear. To clear out some space for the 2 Naks I bought recently I have successfully sold a 3 year old Denon deck to a happy customer and have offerred the CD2 on a UK hifi forum where as an effectively brand new deck just back from Bower & Wilkins it was snapped up within 20 hours at the asking price which covers my costs. I bought the faulty CD 2 to give me a Nak to record on and then fell for the local 300e whilst the cd 2 was away at B&W. I hope to keep the whole acquisitive thing under control, your prayers for success in that endeavour gratefully received :-) Any succinct replies to the rewind and FF issues welcome otherwise its the full pro service and Bless them but Im not sure B&W need my money too badly. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 14:37:28 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in your post? In-Reply-To: <618375.83630.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630653.34307.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, It betters the MP3s.I ve tried it.Mp#s IMHO are compressed digital junk...convenient but junk all the same. It at half speed churns out the flaws in the MP3 format loud and clear. thats how good the 680zx s recording capability is. That said, there is still a marginal loss in high frequency( above 16Khz) compared to reg speed, but lows are equally well extended with superb low transients. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Contrary to what many would think about half-speed cassette, the 680ZX actually does a very good job at 15/16ips. So much that it actually matches modern mp3 codec if not betters it (thanks to being pure analogue). Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:00:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in your post? Rick, The 680ZX has 2 speed rec/plaback capabilities. One is regular 1 7/8ips and then there is a half speed of 15/16 ips. I was referring to the recording technique to a Nak member for the half speed mode on the 680 Zx. Regards Ram RICHARD FIne wrote: I'm very very curious to what you did.... I did'nt quite understand... as I probably missed much of the communication. Thanks... 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 14:48:48 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20070316133217.20674.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950324.89414.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 15:13:04 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <950324.89414.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070316141304.86690.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kannan, Thanks for your good wishes also. I am like Bala interms of usage of my decks. I rotate them three days a week. I play like a half an hour a day for three days all my prime decks either in record or play mode so they are regularly excersiced, although I need the excersice more than these machines off late! Reagrds, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! 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My decks are all used each week for 1 hr as a minimum to keep them machanically and electrically agile. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 2.13PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Kannan, Thanks for your good wishes also. I am like Bala interms of usage of my decks. I rotate them three days a week. I play like a half an hour a day for three days all my prime decks either in record or play mode so they are regularly excersiced, although I need the excersice more than these machines off late! Reagrds, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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I was recently searching for a specific capacitor to fix a power amp and as a result have some useful bookmarks to share. http://www.farnellinone.com/ I have used Farnell in the past. they have a huge range of components and you don't need a business account. there is a minimum order if you pay by card.They are fast and reliable but it helps to know exactly what you are looking for when searching their site. Available in many countries. http://hk.geocities.com/wkchenghk2000/orderformEng.htm I found this link in a DIY discussion forum somewhere. They stock a range of capacitors regarded by some to have superior qualities for audio purposes. I have not tried to order anything from them but the prices look reasonable. http://www.acoustica.org.uk/ This UK site has a good list of component suppliers, some of which have informative catalogues. Look for "the list of suppliers" in the menu on the left of the page. A word of caution. Changing caps in some audio circuits can have a significant influence on the sound, and not always for the better. Bear this in mind if replacing anything in a signal or feedback path. Not sure how significant this could be in a NAK but worth remembering. Tony Gibson, benstratford at aol.com Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 16/03/2007 12:10 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To naktalk at naks.com cc Subject Re: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Cheers Ade, I will endeavour to identify the list of components required ASAP but this may take some time. Next week I'm off to New Zealand for 3/4 weeks so you better proceed without me (Thanks for the offer). I would be interested in a list of the cap's utilised in each deck's situation to fast track diagnosis in future. There must be a pattern with each deck of the most likely cap's to fail (Bias Oscillators for e.g.) as decribed recently by John Gipps, Kannan & Bala. What I want to do is list these in order of likelihood to fail with diagnostic / test procedure and a list of the replacement cap's spec's and suppliers for each deck to assist anyone in a similar position. The 1000 ZXL has approx 20 PCB's! Good Luck, Ben -----Original Message----- From: adrian at thegreatbear.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11.36AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping hi ben i'm about to order a collection of caps etc from RS in the UK. They have a good selection of high quality ones which some other suppliers do not.. you cannot buy from them unless you are a business though. i have just opened an account and will happily order your parts along with mine if you let me know the part nos etc.. have a look at their site: www.rswww.com adrian On 16 Mar 2007, at 10:42, benstratford at aol.com wrote: > John, > Excellent Info, I have left channel crackling while recording on my > 1000zxl which Bala and Tom are helping me with. This will help to > trace the problem hopefully. Once I have, recommended suppliers > and types of replacement caps would be appreciated. > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johngipps at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 1.31AM > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping > > Hi All > > I've replaced a lot of the little orange guys over the years - > probably mostly in bias oscillators where they are working quite > hard - they often have peak voltages of 30V or so at 105KHz over > them, and this does cause a little heating and more dielectric > stress than the caps in signal circuits are exposed to. I agree > with whoever it was recently who said use 100V polypropylene or > polystyrene for the bias oscillator caps - the value in a bias > oscillator is 4.7nF. > > As far as orange caps in EQ and Dolby circuits are concerned, I've > replace quite a few of them as well. The normal symptoms are noise > and crackling when the caps are failing. One of the effects when > they fail in Dolby circuitry is that they alter DC conditions for > the Dolby chips - when failed, the cap has quite low resistance - > anywhere from a short to tens of KOhms. So quite often it may > appear that the Dolby chip is defective (and they do fail), but an > orange cap may be the culprit. > > You can often troublshoot orange cap problems with a DVM, just by > checking "resistance" readings across the caps with the unit > switched off (compare equivalent L and R caps) - or with the unit > switched on, compare the DC voltages across equivalent L & R orange > caps (eg if the Left channel cap is C151 for example, the Right > channel cap is C251 generally) - you would expect similar voltage > readings for the two channels - a big difference usually says that > the cap with the markedly lower DC voltage across it is defective - > replace both L & R caps. > > I don't think I've ever heard or had a customer report "pumping" > due to an orange cap - usually just crackling and noise, and maybe > a thump through the speakers symptomatic of a changing DC level in > EQ or Dolby circuitry - you may see your woofer cone jump when this > happens. > > Regards > > John Gipps > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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The bass and treble are natural and extremely authoritative and clean. Any suggestions on how to use besides the usual is welcome folks. Without you folks here I would have been content with my Zx9. Thanks to you I pursued the best... What must the limited be like! Did I start another thread! So be it. regards Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Ram, I have recently moved some of my decks and equipment into the gym. Running a couple of miles on the running machine doesn't seem so difficult with the distracting energy of 100 watts behind me! From my experience of the last 5 years of buying / selling / repairing decks, the recent comments of ensuring that decks are used regularly is very sound advice. I have had more issues with those that have been in storage for XX years than any other. Have never yet seen a nak with a worn out head although I know there are some around. My decks are all used each week for 1 hr as a minimum to keep them machanically and electrically agile. 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I am like Bala interms of usage of my decks. I rotate them three days a week. I play like a half an hour a day for three days all my prime decks either in record or play mode so they are regularly excersiced, although I need the excersice more than these machines off late! Reagrds, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that was on the machine. Regards Paul From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Mar 16 17:52:00 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:52:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2007 9:48:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a circumference of 9.2" I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that was on the machine. Regards Hi Paul, Maybe I made a typo. The MCM equivalent to the PRB9.2 is the 42-1990. I'm using one on a BX-300 right now and have the empty package in front of me. It's slightly less thick than the FRM9.2, like the original Nak belt. It works well and is way cheaper than the PRB belt. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Message-ID: <93843B7B-A53D-4BE1-AA69-DB9B39B78C62@alumni.caltech.edu> > If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many > times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Only problem with exercise/use is the 44 hard to replace light bulbs...(somehow I thought I counted more in the past, but can't seem to find more than that right now).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 18:57:48 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <744271.57751.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do right you are Ben. I knew it was big when the junk I had bought previously in january arrived as anything weighing in at 42 pounds should be. I call it the monster cassette deck due to its size and circuitry. I wonder whats Steve Sanks opinion on the wiring of this baby! This must have miles considering the pcbs for each function inside. Thanks Ben Ram Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Did you realise it would be so big Ram? Surprised me. Auto calibration is straight forward, RAMM is a little bit more in depth to control effectively. BTW it has 44 lamps for you to keep an eye on (I have a list of them all if req'd) and at least 325 capacitors! Memory storage is very useful to store tape calibration data which is easily recalled. Don't forget to fit new batteries periodically to avoid the potential of them leaking. WOW look at the metering - awesome. Enjoy it - Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 19:00:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <93843B7B-A53D-4BE1-AA69-DB9B39B78C62@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <226664.72569.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hear you loud and clear. I shall give it a run(rec/play) at least an hour to two a week. Can not abandon the other great Naks either. they might get possessive..... I am talking like I am going nuts. I am! So what! We all have a little child in us somewhere...dont we? Regards Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Only problem with exercise/use is the 44 hard to replace light bulbs...(somehow I thought I counted more in the past, but can't seem to find more than that right now).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Mar 16 20:45:38 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:45:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in yourpost? In-Reply-To: <618375.83630.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now, why doesn't that surprise me? <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 March 2007 13:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in yourpost? Contrary to what many would think about half-speed cassette, the 680ZX actually does a very good job at 15/16ips. So much that it actually matches modern mp3 codec if not betters it (thanks to being pure analogue). Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Mar 16 20:47:44 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:47:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <20070316133217.20674.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No way! I'm hoping for reincarnation and to come back as rich as some of you guys so I can have a huge collection of decks, too!! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 13:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Mar 16 20:54:45 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:54:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <20070316164217.50310.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations - I am very pleased it's worked out!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 16:42 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL The ZXL was delivered and it truely the best Nak Ive heard or had. No issues whatsoever so far and everything works as advertised. The ZX9 does have to take second seat now in my tier or decks.Thats the cloud in this silver lining of the ZXL. The zxl I bought is so far superb at everything. It WorKS WELL. Been an hours use and time will expose problems. seems like a clean head and pinch rollers and capstain. Very smooth operation etc....lets see. The bass and treble are natural and extremely authoritative and clean. Any suggestions on how to use besides the usual is welcome folks. Without you folks here I would have been content with my Zx9. Thanks to you I pursued the best... What must the limited be like! Did I start another thread! So be it. regards Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 21:01:14 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <577440.36236.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, Richness has nothing to do with it. Interest and priorities is all that it takes. I am far from rich.....but when it comes to naks...to hell with everythign is my attitude. Like Bala said sometime back, lets leave our descendants( kids and otherwise followers) a legacy rather than succumb to digital crap. Yeah we all make a decent living to afford some peculiar interests and hobbies. At least i am fortunate i do. Regards, ram Graham Nelson wrote: No way! I'm hoping for reincarnation and to come back as rich as some of you guys so I can have a huge collection of decks, too!! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 13:32 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. 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URL: From nakamichi at ispwest.com Fri Mar 16 21:02:47 2007 From: nakamichi at ispwest.com (nakamichi at ispwest.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:02:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Message-ID: <191ef40df45f45dcb029a31a71af1eb8.nakamichi@ispwest.com> Kannan, It is the best advice!You should power up it at least once a week to keep it in healthy condition.Believe it or not,decks are like humans(Frankensteins?)& need care.Lol ------- Original Message ------- >From : kannan srinivasaraghavan[mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/16/2007 6:48:48 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri Mar 16 21:15:53 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:15:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FAFAF9.4050804@caribsurf.com> Thanks Jeff, That 42-1990 is the correct one and it is close to the FRM9.2 I checked with MCM and for a package of up to 1lb, their handling/shipping is $10+ so unless you are sending for a bulk order of belts/tires, the shipping will exceed the cost of the components! Regards Paul PS The 42-195 is out of stock......so you will have to search for a SCY3.2 from PRB....... actually MCM do carry a few PRB belts but unfortunately they dont have the 3.2 in the SCY. I think they have it in the SCA or other with a larger cross-section (almost twice that of the SCY). Regards Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/16/2007 9:48:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: > > The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB > usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which > has a > circumference of 9.2" > I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean > which was > too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt > which > fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" > circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came > off the > deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have > stretched > a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that > was on the machine. > Regards > > Hi Paul, > Maybe I made a typo. The MCM equivalent to the PRB9.2 is the > 42-1990. I'm using one on a BX-300 right now and have the empty > package in front of me. It's slightly less thick than the FRM9.2, > like the original Nak belt. It works well and is way cheaper than the > PRB belt. > Jeff > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: 2007-03-14 3:38 PM > From Benstratford at aol.com Fri Mar 16 21:15:58 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:15:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts Message-ID: If using an unknown supplier, I have found it useful to measure the size by using some fishing line around the capstans or pulleys and then looking for a belt 10 - 15% smaller to allow for a bit of stretch. This was the only way I could get an idea of the size required for some obscure decks. So far no wow / flutter issues. The above procedure was meant to "get you going", not to obtain "perfect" specs. Sorry that I didn't specify this, I should concentrate more on my audience who do not necessarily know what I'm thinking. I don't own WOW / FLUTTER measurement equipment but do have access to it BUT, to get a deck going to assess condition of other functions etc - this is not my primary concern initially. Once other mechanical or electrical issues if any are dealt with, I will then pay more attention to measurement of performance and refining the belt selection if necessary usually by substitution of 2 or 3 similar sized belts from multiple suppliers. I have not had the need yet to try to select a capstan belt for the nak classic transport which is particularly sensitive, but have the feelers out for suggested alternatives. Perhaps someone will start to remanufacture them soon. For a Pioneer CT-A1, this was the only way to get any belt for it. The original belts were no longer available, most retailers of belts didn't list the machine and the Phase Linear guys (Similar to the 7000II) were very tight lipped about the subject and unable to help. The results of my trial of 3 different belts did yield great results. On a par with Nak's? - not sure yet. Thanks for your feedback. Regards, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Mar 16 21:31:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:31:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/2007 1:13:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: The 42-195 is out of stock......so you will have to search for a SCY3.2 from PRB....... actually MCM do carry a few PRB belts but unfortunately they dont have the 3.2 in the SCY. I think they have it in the SCA or other with a larger cross-section Sorry about that - I just bought all the 42-195's they had in stock 10 days ago! The SCY3.2 works perfectly, if you can find one at your local parts store it's around $3-4 and no shipping. There are other suppliers on the web - I found 4 for the SCY3.2 in about 5 minutes on Google. I often buy from MCM because they are the only place that has 1. the idler wheel 2. the drive belt and 3. the tape tension belt in one place. Don't use the SCA belts or other wider belts, as the added width isn't good in the mechanism, i've tried. The 42-195 and the SCY3.2 are pretty much indistinguishable from the original. BTW, if the belt taken off your deck measured less than 9.0, I seriously doubt it was a Nak belt. Someone could have replaced the original with another one sometime. That's the problem with basing your judgement on an old belt, unless you know for sure it's OEM. I have taken off several original Nak belts for the BX-300 as I have owned at least one from 1986 on, and they are about 9.2 inches. At the moment, I have 3 BX-300's and an MR-1B. A 9.0 replacement belt is ok, as the generic belts stretch a little bit, and I'm having good results with one. I'm also looking at some other belts but I haven't received them yet. I'll let you know about them. take care Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 16 21:51:04 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:51:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts In-Reply-To: <45FACB1F.5070702@caribsurf.com> References: <45FACB1F.5070702@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <45FB0338.8010909@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB > usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a > circumference of 9.2" > I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was > too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which > fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" > circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the > deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched > a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that > was on the machine. > Regards > Paul The MCM 42-1990 (NOT 42-1900) is listed ad a 9" belt. Close enough to the PRB FRM9.2. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 16 22:08:39 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] control motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FB0757.9060502@rcn.com> martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > I am in need of 2 control motors for my CR3 and BX125. apparently they > are identical. As they are no longer manufactured, is it possible to > obtain generic ones or repair existing ones. I have heard that ESL labs > in the US and B&W here in europe can repair them but ideally i would > like to aquire my own for a local repair job; I do not wish to > scavenger any deck for parts as they may have little life left in them. > Any ideas? IME, unless the commutator is completely gone, control motors in Sankyo transports respond well to overhauling, which is a simple procedure. Overhauled motors tend to last a long time. I wish the same could be said for reel motors. I've had rotten luck with those. -- Ron From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 16 22:39:03 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:39:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Caps and Pumping Message-ID: <651C4B4C-6DD4-4866-8A45-E3048CAB81A8@alumni.caltech.edu> > http://www.farnellinone.com/ > I have used Farnell in the past. they have a huge range of > components and > you don't need a business account. there is a minimum order if you > pay by > card.They are fast and reliable but it helps to know exactly what > you are > looking for when searching their site. Available in many countries. Thanks! This looks like i might be able to get some replacement relays I need (at least on the austrailan site-- US/UK site seems down for the moment). Hope I can get them shipped here... 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"nakamichi at ispwest.com" wrote: Kannan, It is the best advice!You should power up it at least once a week to keep it in healthy condition.Believe it or not,decks are like humans(Frankensteins?)& need care.Lol ------- Original Message ------- >From : kannan srinivasaraghavan[mailto:kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com] Sent : 3/16/2007 6:48:48 AM To : naktalk at naks.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! 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In-Reply-To: <430878.73699.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703170132.l2H1VhYM008811@zxe.naks.com> ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. Marc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Mar 17 03:50:36 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:50:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX 300 e belts and wheels except the 42-195 hogger :-) In-Reply-To: <200703160249.l2G2nWXC024410@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703160249.l2G2nWXC024410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much guys ..... do you know of a UK source for this limey?.......funnily enough I think I saw some for sale in ebay last week ... I dont think it was the Turkish guy ......! I see no wheels for sale on google UK So I have ordered whats left at MCM after brother Jeff bought all the 42-195's and got a tad confused about wether there is a substitute or not for it ..... so jeff ....Scotland is only a postage stamp away hows about that idea? However if you have plans for every one is there a plan b anyone can advise. B&W do not sell spares that I already know I do appreciate the help ..... I paid over the odds for the 300 so a leetle economy now will please my dearly beloved ...... who really notices the sounds from the 300 deck by the way Finally I am pleased for you Ram that your deck is as sweet as you hoped for ....... congratulations we can all breathe a little easier now peace ian In a message :r1seals at yahoo.com writes: well guess I'll chime in here the BX-300 problem sounds like a Idler tier and that's all. ya can get one from Dean on this list for 6 or 7 dollars. I like my BX-300 alot Tom from Hi tech did a great job on it. From: Bansijeff at aol.com You can get one from MCM for 60 cents. Part # 32-5665. Jeff ALSO: Oh yeah, and while you're buying the idler tire for 60 cents from MCM, you can get a working belt for the BX-300 part number 42-1900 for about a buck, and a tape tension belt part number 42-195 for about 50 cents. Their shipping costs are not too good, so it's a good idea to buy all three at once. When you're changing the idler tire, the tape tension belt is right there and you can do that in about a minute. Jeff Paul Carrington Subject: BX300 Belts The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a circumference of 9.2" I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which he bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that was on the machine. Regards Paul Hi Paul, Maybe I made a typo. The MCM equivalent to the PRB9.2 is the 42-1990. I'm using one on a BX-300 right now and have the empty package in front of me. It's slightly less thick than the FRM9.2, like the original Nak belt. 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At 12:42 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote: >The ZXL was delivered and it truely the best Nak Ive heard or had. >No issues whatsoever so far and everything works as advertised. > >The ZX9 does have to take second seat now in my tier or decks.Thats >the cloud in this silver lining of the ZXL. > >The zxl I bought is so far superb at everything. It WorKS WELL. Been >an hours use and time will expose problems. seems like a clean head >and pinch rollers and capstain. Very smooth operation etc....lets see. > >The bass and treble are natural and extremely authoritative and clean. > >Any suggestions on how to use besides the usual is welcome folks. > >Without you folks here I would have been content with my Zx9. Thanks >to you I pursued the best... > >What must the limited be like! Did I start another thread! So be it. > >regards >Ram > From rpipan at comcast.net Sat Mar 17 05:00:40 2007 From: rpipan at comcast.net (rpipan at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:00:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Blues Message-ID: <031720070400.23267.45FB67E80002DDF600005AE32215575114020E9F079F9D@comcast.net> Hi All, Newbie to this list, so please forgive any gaffs. My 1986 vintage BX300 (I'm original owner) was loyal and lovely. Lately, has begun to eat tapes. Will not rewind,fast forward, nada. Push play and take up shaft simply does not pull tape in, while the left side spools tape into mechanism. Can anyone direct me to a or a set of solutions? Many thanks. Richard From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 06:09:21 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in yourpost? Message-ID: <237291.19590.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It sure should not suprise any of us Nakophiles. Caveat is, we can carry all this sonic magic around our neck with a tiny LCD attached. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:45:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in yourpost? DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Now, why doesn't that surprise me? <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: 16 March 2007 13:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram... what is the half speed you talked about in yourpost? Contrary to what many would think about half-speed cassette, the 680ZX actually does a very good job at 15/16ips. So much that it actually matches modern mp3 codec if not betters it (thanks to being pure analogue). 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 06:34:58 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Message-ID: Dear Ram, First of all Congratulations...I really hope that will serve you for a long time...(BTW...Mine works only a mere Week!!!), check on the back the two AA alkaline batteries, & change them by a new fresh ones. (Serves to memorized the ABLE system, when the deck is OFF!). Keep us informed how works after a while!? Peace, Alex! > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:41:03 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: rjlbjk at cox.net> Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL> > I am so glad that your deck arrived safely and was as advertised! I > think I can speak for other as a whole when I say we are all waiting > for a definitive report after a week or so playing with the one, the > only, the penultimate, the 1000 ZXL.....> > I thought it was to arrive on Monday?> > > At 12:42 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:> >The ZXL was delivered and it truely the best Nak Ive heard or had. > >No issues whatsoever so far and everything works as advertised.> >> >The ZX9 does have to take second seat now in my tier or decks.Thats > >the cloud in this silver lining of the ZXL.> >> >The zxl I bought is so far superb at everything. It WorKS WELL. Been > >an hours use and time will expose problems. seems like a clean head > >and pinch rollers and capstain. Very smooth operation etc....lets see.> >> >The bass and treble are natural and extremely authoritative and clean.> >> >Any suggestions on how to use besides the usual is welcome folks.> >> >Without you folks here I would have been content with my Zx9. Thanks > >to you I pursued the best...> >> >What must the limited be like! Did I start another thread! So be it.> >> >regards> >Ram> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Mar 17 13:41:17 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:41:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well [when it works]. Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor fix. You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - the number that starts with 2 letters. Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. In the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. Any of the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are compatible if not identical. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 17 13:59:18 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:59:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, you are fortunate indeed, Ram. Due to ill health, I've not worked (for money) in about two years ... I have a small family to support on a meagre pension. I used to make a decent living and built up a small collection of various items of hi fi but such things are now luxuries I cannot afford for the time being. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 20:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Graham, Richness has nothing to do with it. Interest and priorities is all that it takes. I am far from rich.....but when it comes to naks...to hell with everythign is my attitude. Like Bala said sometime back, lets leave our descendants( kids and otherwise followers) a legacy rather than succumb to digital crap. Yeah we all make a decent living to afford some peculiar interests and hobbies. At least i am fortunate i do. Regards, ram Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Sat Mar 17 14:06:49 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:06:49 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL Message-ID: <20070317130650.4AF931158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> It won't take a week; Ram's first impressions are certain to remain .... THERE'S ONLY ONE DADDY: THE NAKAMICHI 1000ZXL!!! Almost everything in high end audio is subjective, with few absolutes, but the 1000ZXL is Nakamichi's crowning glory - always was, always will be - they have stated so themselves. One can argue the merits of the ZX-9, CR-7, Dragon, or even the 680, but the 1000ZXL is the definitive reference. Grant > I am so glad that your deck arrived safely and was as advertised! I > think I can speak for other as a whole when I say we are all waiting > for a definitive report after a week or so playing with the one, the > only, the penultimate, the 1000 ZXL..... > > The ZXL was delivered and it truely the best Nak Ive heard or had. No issues whatsoever so far > > and everything works as advertised. > > The ZX9 does have to take second seat now in my tier or decks.Thats the cloud in this silver > > lining of the ZXL. > > The zxl I bought is so far superb at everything. It WorKS WELL. Been an hours use and time > > will expose problems. seems like a clean head and pinch rollers and capstain. Very smooth > > operation etc....lets see. > > The bass and treble are natural and extremely authoritative and clean. > > Any suggestions on how to use besides the usual is welcome folks. > > Without you folks here I would have been content with my Zx9. Thanks to you I pursued the > > best... > > What must the limited be like! Did I start another thread! So be it. > > > > regards > > Ram = Search for products and services at: http://search.mail.com From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 14:24:54 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In-Reply-To: <006201c76873$ea35f180$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <859056.67621.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a spare reel motor kit - will be expensive as I bought it from Nakamichi Spares paying $$. So do not blame me. But it is still available if anybody wants only new spare from Nak. Contact me off list - kannans at questam.com However I am not sure how you are planning to switch as the work is bit complicated? If you are in US, I could have done the reel transfer and alignment for half the price of B&W quote Kannan ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well [when it works]. Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 17 14:49:08 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <200703170132.l2H1VhYM008811@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <864864.86722.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I’ve played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. Marc. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 17 15:22:09 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:22:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 Message-ID: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> Hello everyone, I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 15:50:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <864864.86722.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <304110.16586.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like calssic capstan belt problem change the capstan belt and it can be one of the main reasons for this symptom. kannan Bob Naylor wrote: If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I’ve played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. Marc. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 15:55:20 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 Message-ID: <621862.7231.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, This is really welcome news to hear. I am sure many of us here will want to work together to ensure a healthy supply of parts and service for Nakamichi decks. If this were to be a group effort, can we bring this over to the Nakgauges group? Wouter, would that be ok? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Marrs Communications To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:22:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 Hello everyone, I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 16:05:19 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Message-ID: <59397.64882.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, either the DeOxit or you could take the motor apart and have it cleaned out and assembled back. You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B. Jeff's ideaof buying a parts deck is also good because you also get lots of other important electronic and cosmetic parts that will help you see your deck through many more years of use. I think service is something B & W will charge as will all service centres. You could alternatively check with Tom Brucker who's an ex-Nak service tech for service. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:41:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well [when it works]. Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor fix. You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - the number that starts with 2 letters. Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. In the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. Any of the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are compatible if not identical. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 16:16:48 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070317151648.46007.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I hear you and I know the feeling. Believe me. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Ah, you are fortunate indeed, Ram. Due to ill health, I've not worked (for money) in about two years ... I have a small family to support on a meagre pension. I used to make a decent living and built up a small collection of various items of hi fi but such things are now luxuries I cannot afford for the time being. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 20:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Graham, Richness has nothing to do with it. Interest and priorities is all that it takes. I am far from rich.....but when it comes to naks...to hell with everythign is my attitude. Like Bala said sometime back, lets leave our descendants( kids and otherwise followers) a legacy rather than succumb to digital crap. Yeah we all make a decent living to afford some peculiar interests and hobbies. At least i am fortunate i do. Regards, ram Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 17 16:25:15 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought, Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! In-Reply-To: <20070317151648.46007.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070317152515.35533.qmail@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, I told you things would work out fine! Glad all is well with your new toy! Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Gra, I hear you and I know the feeling. Believe me. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: Ah, you are fortunate indeed, Ram. Due to ill health, I've not worked (for money) in about two years ... I have a small family to support on a meagre pension. I used to make a decent living and built up a small collection of various items of hi fi but such things are now luxuries I cannot afford for the time being. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 16 March 2007 20:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX 300 e bought,Cassette Deck 2 listened too and now sold BUT! Graham, Richness has nothing to do with it. Interest and priorities is all that it takes. I am far from rich.....but when it comes to naks...to hell with everythign is my attitude. Like Bala said sometime back, lets leave our descendants( kids and otherwise followers) a legacy rather than succumb to digital crap. Yeah we all make a decent living to afford some peculiar interests and hobbies. At least i am fortunate i do. Regards, ram Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 17 16:41:47 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:41:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> Hi Bala, I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello everyone, > I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is > Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts > for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts > I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the > U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are > manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in > my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information > and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is > incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the > mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have > come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from > atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets > for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for > all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no > proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck > manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick > wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a > belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to > this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi > replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I > truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing > with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. > Thanks for listening, Fred > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Mar 17 17:10:48 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:10:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] thoughts about tape transfer.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:15:57 +0000, "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: >I'm thinking about putting some of my tape decks to use (and it also >gives me a >reason to get them working properly!) by offering anlogue to digital >conversion. > >in my collection I have a 680, 682ZX, 480, 580, 582, tascam 112, >technics >rs-m255x (dbx deck) and sony wm-d6c. > >the 680 series seems to offer the best sound and is in the best >condition but >i'd imagine a deck with adjustable playback azimuth would be >beneficial, is >this correct? Correct. Either a Nak that offers quick easy access to manual azimuth or that offers autoazimuth. But you could also use the one with the best sound and just manually tune the azimuth to the brightest response. If one day you decide not to use any Naks for that conversion you just load calibration cassette and use a scope to get it where it should be and use nail polish to seal the screw. I find that autoazimuth decks should be expecte to hold up pretty well for tuning azimuth all the time, while any other dekc would not have been designed to be doing that all the time to match different tapes. Only ocasionally would a deck ever be recalibrated for azimuth, and it would be to have proper azimuth. >i also have a few teac, tascam and revox reel to reels but i'll leave >those off >here.. I got Teac, Tascam, Studer, Philips, Grundig (tube), Akai and Technics reel decks and it is not very nakky. >other than the potential market and the quality of the AD converters >used what else >should I be thinking about? Wether you will be using a pc for sampling and editing and making proper trackmarks for the digital versions on CD or you would rather record direct to CD with trackmarks on the fly. The latter offers quicker results but the resulting cd will be sloppy. Oh..... and...... in the interest of helping keep this Nak only - Would you let go of that Sony? :) -Mikkel From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Mar 17 17:55:34 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:55:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 7:24:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: Hello everyone, I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred So what you're saying is, you want help to sell $2 worth of belts to suckers on eBay for $35, right? Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Sat Mar 17 18:06:25 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:06:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <864864.86722.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703171707.l2HH6cTW020591@zxe.naks.com> Bob, Yes it does the same thing. So it has to be something on the mechanism side right? Ive tried many tapes and all the same thing. sounds like it can be expensive. :p marc _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. Marc. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Sat Mar 17 18:08:42 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:08:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <304110.16586.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703171709.l2HH8oHS020682@zxe.naks.com> Sounds expensive. so who/what company should I talk to about getting this taken care of? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Looks like calssic capstan belt problem change the capstan belt and it can be one of the main reasons for this symptom. kannan Bob Naylor wrote: If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. Marc. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DM2 at marctronixx.com Sat Mar 17 18:13:21 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:13:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <304110.16586.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200703171714.l2HHDTNg020885@zxe.naks.com> So this is a "common" occurrence? Has there been talk of this on this forum? Id like to read up on the symptoms. So basically the capstan belt is not turning the capstan as it should so the tape is just slipping around the head? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Looks like calssic capstan belt problem change the capstan belt and it can be one of the main reasons for this symptom. kannan Bob Naylor wrote: If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. 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URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Mar 17 18:27:45 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:27:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FC2511.2090708@cox.net> I have an unused C8096 capstan belt that I got from Nak 5 or 6 years ago. It's a flat belt, of course, and measures .020" thick and about .20" wide. I don't know the approved way to accurately measure it for these purposes, but when I put it on the tines of my caliper and just take the slack out it, it measures about 4.4". Does this help? Tim Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello everyone, > I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is > Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts > for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts > I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the > U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are > manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in > my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information > and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is > incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the > mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have > come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from > atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets > for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for > all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no > proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck > manufactures. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 17 18:48:06 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <200703171707.l2HH6cTW020591@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20070317174807.62552.qmail@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Victor G in salt Lake City (he's part of this group) just fixed my ZX7 for exactly the same symtoms. It needed a belt but maybe Victor could explain everything he did. He also installed a new tire but that was not causing the problem it just brought the WOW and Flutter back into spec. Victor are you here? Bob DM2 wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Bob, Yes it does the same thing. So it has to be something on the mechanism side right? Ive tried many tapes and all the same thing sounds like it can be expensive :p marc --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I’ve played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 17 18:49:31 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <200703171714.l2HHDTNg020885@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <167873.6902.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the capstans don't work properly the tape will not have proper tension on the heads and cause this. Bob DM2 wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} So this is a “common” occurrence? Has there been talk of this on this forum? Id like to read up on the symptoms. So basically the capstan belt is not turning the capstan as it should so the tape is just slipping around the head? --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Looks like calssic capstan belt problem change the capstan belt and it can be one of the main reasons for this symptom. kannan Bob Naylor wrote: If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I’ve played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. 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Bob thanks for the assistance. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Victor G in salt Lake City (he's part of this group) just fixed my ZX7 for exactly the same symtoms. It needed a belt but maybe Victor could explain everything he did. He also installed a new tire but that was not causing the problem it just brought the WOW and Flutter back into spec. Victor are you here? Bob DM2 wrote: Bob, Yes it does the same thing. So it has to be something on the mechanism side right? Ive tried many tapes and all the same thing. sounds like it can be expensive. :p marc _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Mar 17 19:21:48 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:21:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <200703171754.l2HHrL99021841@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c768c1$20d62370$3201000a@gabrenas> Yes I am here. gabrenas at math.utah.edu Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of DM2 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:53 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Yes victor are you here? I could use your input. Bob thanks for the assistance. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... Victor G in salt Lake City (he's part of this group) just fixed my ZX7 for exactly the same symtoms. It needed a belt but maybe Victor could explain everything he did. He also installed a new tire but that was not causing the problem it just brought the WOW and Flutter back into spec. Victor are you here? Bob DM2 wrote: Bob, Yes it does the same thing. So it has to be something on the mechanism side right? Ive tried many tapes and all the same thing. sounds like it can be expensive. :p marc _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... If you hit either stop or pause and restart do you get normal audio for another few seconds? If so the tape may be losing contact with the heads. Bob DM2 wrote: ALL, I insert a tape in the 505 and once it starts playing, the sound is nice and clear just as it should... but within 4 or 5 seconds, it becomes muffled and eventually all you hear is the low frequencies. This is weird. Does this sound (no pun intended) familiar to someone? The tape continues to play as normal... it sounds like the tape is off alignment with the head. I've played a few different tapes and all the same result. All tapes were either commercially bought or recorded on another deck. All the same result. I would appreciate any input. 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URL: From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Sat Mar 17 20:02:59 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:02:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts References: <45FACB1F.5070702@caribsurf.com> <45FB0338.8010909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000301c768c6$e175b730$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Out of curiosity, I wonder how many belts are in a BX300, can you help me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts > Paul Carrington wrote: >> The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB >> usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a >> circumference of 9.2" >> I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was >> too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which >> fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" >> circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the >> deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched a >> bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that was >> on the machine. >> Regards >> Paul > > The MCM 42-1990 (NOT 42-1900) is listed ad a 9" belt. > Close enough to the PRB FRM9.2. > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: 3/16/2007 > 12:12 PM > > From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Sat Mar 17 20:52:30 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:52:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <035401c768cd$cc7d8130$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Just how many belts are in a BX300? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 20:51:05 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <202736.84229.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> welcome Fred and about that counter belt for the BX-100 I'll be waiting glad to have ya here Russ Marrs Communications wrote: Hello everyone, I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Mar 17 20:58:20 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:58:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Blues References: <031720070400.23267.45FB67E80002DDF600005AE32215575114020E9F079F9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014301c768ce$a41ec4a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Richard - and welcome to this forum :-) Your problems with your BX300 sounds like an idler tire issue. I am not an expert, though - but I lost a BX300 due to the fact, that I did NOT know about this - appararently - easy fix issue) Read on here: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Sankyo%20Idler Good luck - and Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Blues > Hi All, > Newbie to this list, so please forgive any gaffs. > My 1986 vintage BX300 (I'm original owner) was loyal and lovely. Lately, has begun to eat tapes. Will not rewind,fast forward, > nada. Push play and take up shaft simply does not pull tape in, while the left side spools tape into mechanism. > Can anyone direct me to a or a set of solutions? Many thanks. Richard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Mar 17 21:10:14 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:10:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Blues - new Message-ID: <016e01c768d0$4cbd7740$b207010a@hurtignok> PS: If the link does not bring you to the idler section of Scotts page just scroll down to the "Small Rubber Idler Issue Idler Tire for Sankyo Mechanism" part. You can buy the ESL labs idler tire through www.ebay.com - item no. 300090073630. Hi Richard - and welcome to this forum :-) Your problems with your BX300 sounds like an idler tire issue. I am not an expert, though - but I lost a BX300 due to the fact, that I did NOT know about this - appararently - easy fix issue) Read on here: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Sankyo%20Idler Good luck - and Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Blues > Hi All, > Newbie to this list, so please forgive any gaffs. > My 1986 vintage BX300 (I'm original owner) was loyal and lovely. Lately, has begun to eat tapes. Will not rewind,fast forward, > nada. Push play and take up shaft simply does not pull tape in, while the left side spools tape into mechanism. > Can anyone direct me to a or a set of solutions? Many thanks. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 17 22:10:49 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:10:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tim, Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? And Jeff, I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I am paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold in this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that will bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of belts. I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to ANYONE in the United States right now. If I find out the quality is not there (I currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what I suspect, we can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I have no interest or the time to go back and forth with you because you THINK you know what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring something we can all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, confirm a POSSIBLE original replacement. This is the only response you will get from me concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this for myself. Thanks, Fred Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Bala, > I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the > Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up > with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter > continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts >> I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in >> the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are >> manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in >> my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information >> and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is >> incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the >> mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have >> come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me >> from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete >> sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original >> equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I >> suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. >> supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been >> supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some >> cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section >> (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be >> able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the >> ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT >> replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan >> belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >> > > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 17 22:21:02 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:21:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FC5BBE.7050509@marrscommunications.com> Hello Russ, I hope to receive a large order by Wednesday. I will keep you posted. Thanks! Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Tim, > Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? > And Jeff, > I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to > think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I > am paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold > in this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly > Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin > of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that > will bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of > belts. I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to > ANYONE in the United States right now. If I find out the quality is > not there (I currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what > I suspect, we can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I > have no interest or the time to go back and forth with you because you > THINK you know what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring > something we can all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, > confirm a POSSIBLE original replacement. This is the only response you > will get from me concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred > To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have > been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest > you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the > truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO > interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this > for myself. Thanks, Fred > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the >> Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up >> with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter >> continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >>> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >>> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the >>> belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything >>> available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my >>> belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as >>> mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi >>> PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several >>> manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have >>> discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the >>> application information I have come up with. I am aware the members >>> of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group >>> effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can >>> provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I >>> might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am >>> using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it >>> safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for >>> capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a >>> smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this >>> point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi >>> replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, >>> I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now >>> doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group >>> effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >>> >> >> >> > > > From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Mar 17 22:32:46 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:32:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FC5E7E.3080103@cox.net> The 8096 is the capstan belt which fits most of the 'classic' series transports. All of the 480, 580, 680, LX series and the ZX-7. I don't think it fits the ZX-9, the 700ZX or 1000ZX models. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Tim Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Tim, > Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? > And Jeff, > I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to > think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I > am paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold > in this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly > Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin > of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that > will bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of > belts. I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to > ANYONE in the United States right now. If I find out the quality is > not there (I currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what > I suspect, we can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I > have no interest or the time to go back and forth with you because you > THINK you know what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring > something we can all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, > confirm a POSSIBLE original replacement. This is the only response you > will get from me concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred > To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have > been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest > you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the > truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO > interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this > for myself. Thanks, Fred > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the >> Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up >> with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter >> continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >>> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >>> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the >>> belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything >>> available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my >>> belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as >>> mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi >>> PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several >>> manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have >>> discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the >>> application information I have come up with. I am aware the members >>> of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group >>> effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can >>> provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I >>> might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am >>> using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it >>> safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for >>> capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a >>> smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this >>> point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi >>> replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, >>> I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now >>> doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group >>> effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >>> >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 17 22:40:21 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:40:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In-Reply-To: <59397.64882.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <59397.64882.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45FC6045.6030800@rcn.com> Bala, Where is the Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B available off the shelf? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Ok, either the DeOxit or you could take the motor apart and have it > cleaned out and assembled back. You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is > a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B. Jeff's ideaof buying a parts deck is also good > because you also get lots of other important electronic and cosmetic > parts that will help you see your deck through many more years of use. I > think service is something B & W will charge as will all service > centres. You could alternatively check with Tom Brucker who's an ex-Nak > service tech for service. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:41:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor > > In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: > > Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a > CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. > Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for > action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an > erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. > Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well > [when it works]. > Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any > longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. > > I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor fix. > You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - > the number that starts with 2 letters. > Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. > In the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. > Any of the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are > compatible if not identical. > Jeff From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 22:42:47 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FC5E7E.3080103@cox.net> Message-ID: <167443.59930.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 700ZXL and 1000ZXL have the same transport as ZX-7. OC 8096 should fit these models as well. ZX-9 alone is different due to Direct Drive motor. Belt is smaller. Dragon does not have Capstan belt. This belt width, Circumfrerence as well as type is very important for low wow and flutter. Kannan Tim Barrett wrote: The 8096 is the capstan belt which fits most of the 'classic' series transports. All of the 480, 580, 680, LX series and the ZX-7. I don't think it fits the ZX-9, the 700ZX or 1000ZX models. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Tim Marrs Communications wrote: Hi Tim, Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? And Jeff, I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I am paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold in this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that will bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of belts. I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to ANYONE in the United States right now. If I find out the quality is not there (I currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what I suspect, we can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I have no interest or the time to go back and forth with you because you THINK you know what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring something we can all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, confirm a POSSIBLE original replacement. This is the only response you will get from me concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this for myself. Thanks, Fred Marrs Communications wrote: Hi Bala, I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred Marrs Communications wrote: Hello everyone, I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Just in case anybody's looking for generic classic transport belts, the best ones I have ever found were from a guy named Bob Toepfer at www.vintage-electronics.net His are slightly wider than the original, but in every other way resemble the thin Nak classic belt. They're way ahead of any other substitute classic belt I've ever seen, and his prices are very reasonable. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Mar 17 22:57:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:57:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:42:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Where is the Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B available off the shelf? You can google the part number - i got a lot of hits on it this morning, but had to go to work before i found it. The first place that popped up was selling it by the carton of 250! Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Mar 17 23:08:52 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:08:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:55:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: So you believe that the replacement "capstan belts" from Bob Toepfer would not create those W&F problem that a lot of forum members have encountered with those supplied from other replacement vendors? Have you tried them before and believe that they are good enough to replace the OEM parts from Nakamichi? I have tried several different replacement belt vendors in the past on those Nak decks with calssic transport to replace the original OEM casptan belts and done well ( all create extra W&F ) although I have not tried Bob Toepfer's product. THANKS. Mike I tried it on a 480 with good results, but I don't have a T-100 to measure the wow-and-flutter. I would say it's the best I've been able to find so far, except for the original. It was definitely way better than the PRB FRM9.2 which works fine on a BX-300, MR-1 or CR-4, but is too thick for the classic decks. Or the MCM belts which are also good on the direct-drive decks and are very, very, cheap. But the PRB and MCM belts had wow-and-flutter on the 480 which was slightly audible to my ear. My ear is very sensitive to that issue, which is why I tend to prefer the direct-drive decks. I have an order in to a place called SCM in Massachusetts for a couple of possible belts and should receive them next week. They have higher prices than MCM, but lower shipping costs. You can check out their site. I noticed they also have the classic idler tire. I'll let you know what happens. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 17 23:14:35 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:14:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor References: <59397.64882.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45FC6045.6030800@rcn.com> Message-ID: <031d01c768e1$a580f210$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Ron A Google search suggests this as the only place www.sanace.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor > > Bala, > > Where is the Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B available off the shelf? > > -- Ron > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Ok, either the DeOxit or you could take the motor apart and have it >> cleaned out and assembled back. You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is >> a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B. Jeff's ideaof buying a parts deck is also good >> because you also get lots of other important electronic and cosmetic >> parts that will help you see your deck through many more years of use. I >> think service is something B & W will charge as will all service centres. >> You could alternatively check with Tom Brucker who's an ex-Nak service >> tech for service. >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:41:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor >> >> In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: >> >> Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a >> CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. >> Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for >> action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an >> erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. >> Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well >> [when it works]. >> Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any >> longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. >> >> I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor >> fix. >> You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - the >> number that starts with 2 letters. >> Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. In >> the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. Any >> of the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are >> compatible if not identical. >> Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: > 16/03/2007 12:12 > From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Mar 17 23:44:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:44:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/2007 8:09:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B Hey Bala, Are you sure that's the right model number? Have you actually used one? Without doing more research, I'm wondering if it's the Mabuchi EG 510ED 2F. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking it's a 12 v clockwise motor. Dunno for sure. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 03:14:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Message-ID: <208089.22376.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Jeff, Yes its the EG-510ED-2F, CW rotation using 12 volts. I got the last two numbers mixed up. This is the motor pointed out by the guy whom sold me my CR7. I had a problem with its motor, and checked with him. Apparently he had inteded to change the motor and got the part number, but never got around doing it. Eventually the deck was sold to me. Checking with him, I got the part number and now all's well. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:44:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In a message dated 3/17/2007 8:09:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B Hey Bala, Are you sure that's the right model number? Have you actually used one? Without doing more research, I'm wondering if it's the Mabuchi EG 510ED 2F. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking it's a 12 v clockwise motor. Dunno for sure. Jeff AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! 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Best Regards Soumitra From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Mar 18 07:11:51 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:41:51 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Starting 2 new endeavours References: <200703171749.l2HHnist021730@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002701c76924$53f39540$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hi All I am about to start a new project .. ie. souping up my MR2 according to Stephen Sank's recommendations. I will be changing the op-amps and capacitors etc. You might say this is a fruitless endeavour .. with a 2 head Nak .. but its still a good machine .. and if sold now, a new machine would have been out of my budget. So please wish me luck and be ready for any help that I may need :) Best Soumi From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Mar 18 12:33:07 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:33:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor References: Message-ID: <007c01c76951$3371ec40$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Thanks Jeff Have now tried all these UK based ones which didn't yield anything on a search of their sites. I have mailed one which seemed more promising in the hope of... but not optimistic . Also mailed San Ace in Singapore re both motors mentioned, Mabuchi EG-510ED-2F and earlier offering the EG-520ED-3B ,but I think they only deal with voulume business orders so.. Did use the new part no for another Google trawl & this threw up a promising distributor www.superpbenavides.com , P Benavides C.A, more in ur neck of the woods [S America] that had this one in their catalogue. Only problem is that the site is in ?Spanish? so although I found it I couldn't even post an enquiry as to price/supply etc. Do either U or anyone else out there in the community have the capability to make an enquiry [in Spanish ?] on my [others] behalf re the chance of sourcing this key motor replacement from this site ? Thanks for ur efforts so far on my behalf Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor This URL lists several places in the UK selling Mabuchi motors http://www.applegate.co.uk/principals/pra/1000752.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sun Mar 18 13:34:49 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:34:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk In-Reply-To: <200703172134.l2HLYNfO025268@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703172134.l2HLYNfO025268@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself ..... not to denigrate anyone. As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means (for me) encouraging good vibes With respect and peace ian r scotland From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 14:02:43 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <222821.52981.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ian thanks for bringing this forward. I have seen personal criticism myself but I do not bother about it as I know that my postings help others to learn few repair issues. Hope you stay on with the forum as you are as important as anybody else to keep the good work going. Kannan earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself ..... not to denigrate anyone. As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means (for me) encouraging good vibes With respect and peace ian r scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Sun Mar 18 15:24:39 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:24:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk References: <200703172134.l2HLYNfO025268@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002801c76969$2c789110$0201a8c0@eagle> Well stated Ian... John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk > Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's > > I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal > criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on > this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call > for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... > it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to > making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners > etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a > living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? > > Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to > stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be > true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself > ..... not to denigrate anyone. > > As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes > that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means > (for me) encouraging good vibes > With respect and peace > > ian r > scotland > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 12:33 PM > > From halfacor at prodigy.net.mx Sun Mar 18 14:28:40 2007 From: halfacor at prodigy.net.mx (Helenio Alfarache) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:28:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor References: Message-ID: <002001c76961$578819f0$0202a8c0@alfaone> This suplier is in Caracas, Venezuela. They represent Mabuchi and list the motor in their Catalog. I will try to send copy of their catalog by eMail. Address: Av. Romulo Gallegos con !ra. calle Sta. Eduvigis, Edificio Pascal Local 15. Los Palos Grandes, Caracas, Venezuela. Phones: (0212)284-7412/2309; 286-8961/8161. Helenio ----- Original Message ----- From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 14:57:37 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk Message-ID: <365385.10527.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This has been a sensitive issue and a few members, including myself, have been affected by critizisms. However, I have seen others also take flak for trying to do good deeds, both in this forum as well as others. And because Naktalk has evolved into a community of its own, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly all prowl around here. We just have to stick to our cause and ignore those whom might cause distress to us. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: John Nelson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:24:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk Well stated Ian... John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk > Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's > > I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal > criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on > this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call > for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... > it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to > making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners > etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a > living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? > > Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to > stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be > true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself > ..... not to denigrate anyone. > > As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes > that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means > (for me) encouraging good vibes > With respect and peace > > ian r > scotland > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 12:33 PM > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Mar 18 15:10:05 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <572375.88538.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ian: This kind of situation is unavoilable in a open society and I truely believe in freedom of speech. Normally if something happens that I don't prefer, I believe the best way is to ignore it at all ( delete the message ) and move on. They will disappear eventually if there is not much to keep the fire ongoing. I learn a lot from all these messages and I enjoy reading them all and I also respect everyone's opinion. Best Regards, Mike earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself ..... not to denigrate anyone. As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means (for me) encouraging good vibes With respect and peace ian r scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Mar 18 15:40:01 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:40:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well said, Ian. I would add, it detracts from the attractiveness of the forum even if one is not caught up in the flaming war. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: 18 March 2007 12:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself ..... not to denigrate anyone. As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means (for me) encouraging good vibes With respect and peace ian r scotland From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Mar 18 16:07:07 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:07:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-3 Reel motor References: <25045.11529.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010201c7696f$1891e790$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Bala U could certainly try San-Ace The one that is being identified as a replacement for the CR-3 [& others ?] reel motor is the Mabuchi EG-510ED-2F which certainly seems about right re voltage, speed, dimensions etc. The only caveat expressed so far was re its shaft length being long enough. If U were able to get an availability & price for these from San-Ace this would be a great start. Most of them advertised elsewhere seem to be 'peanuts money' when U consider what they support in terms of overall cost ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: CR-3 Reel motor Guys, I am in Singapore, perhaps I can source them? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor Thanks Jeff Have now tried all these UK based ones which didn't yield anything on a search of their sites. I have mailed one which seemed more promising in the hope of... but not optimistic . Also mailed San Ace in Singapore re both motors mentioned, Mabuchi EG-510ED-2F and earlier offering the EG-520ED-3B ,but I think they only deal with voulume business orders so.. Did use the new part no for another Google trawl & this threw up a promising distributor www.superpbenavides.com , P Benavides C.A, more in ur neck of the woods [S America] that had this one in their catalogue. Only problem is that the site is in ?Spanish? so although I found it I couldn't even post an enquiry as to price/supply etc. Do either U or anyone else out there in the community have the capability to make an enquiry [in Spanish ?] on my [others] behalf re the chance of sourcing this key motor replacement from this site ? Thanks for ur efforts so far on my behalf Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor This URL lists several places in the UK selling Mabuchi motors http://www.applegate.co.uk/principals/pra/1000752.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Mar 19 00:06:59 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:06:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 belts up In-Reply-To: <200703181411.l2IEBfdK001425@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703181411.l2IEBfdK001425@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: As mentioned I have ordered a new idler wheel and belt from MCM and followed Jeffs tip to vintage electronics where I ended up with a kit of belts to provide the one that MCM are sold out off ..... is it the back tension belt? ESL quoted some $50 for all the bits and pieces including an OEM belt at 44 ...... I expect if B&W sold spares they would charge a simailar amount ...... however it was quite fun finding all these items at lower prices AND look forward to fitting them ....and learning the ropes. I still havent got near a adsl locale so havent got Bobs service manual downloaded thus I havent been able to read the official instructions yet ....... I have read the sites which talk about replacing the idler wheel in a Sankyo ... it seems achievable ....... will replacing the belts be easy as part of that process? Curiously though when the 300 is warm after being on for a while it seems able to rewind and fast forward .... in a satisfactory manner ........ I hope this is still indicative of wheel and belt issues .... or will I be joining Ian Bowley in a Marabuchi search ....which I hope is sourced as soon as possible Ian. In view of a few emails from concerned folks I will just clarify that I was not criticised myself and Im sorry I havent noticed that others have been .... freedom of expression and speech is a thing I learn the limits of everyday with my beloved, respect for one another is (I think) for me a greater discipline, we are all one, most people are doing the best they can ..... even if failing miserably to please me! peace ian r From martin.short at nstarch.com Mon Mar 19 02:02:21 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:02:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <200703171456.l2HEubMP017632@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Grant, You have obviously been playing with your one!!.. I take you are as happy as a dog with two tails? Cheers, Martin IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 02:08:10 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 belts up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <537369.91398.qm@web50002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ya know Ian i had that problem with my BX-300 to and what I found out after some talk with Stephen Sank was the capstans on the feed side was not spinning as fast as the other side and what he advised me to do is take that capstans out and clean out the brass bushing and then re-lube it with Prolong (SPL100) So I got some pipe cleaners and some alcohol and did just that. and problem solved. And I wonder if this could be a lot of the problems some of the rest of the people are having withe these decks or others. Anyway fixed mine. I hope this helps you and others. And I do agree with you on the worry deal. Peace earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: As mentioned I have ordered a new idler wheel and belt from MCM and followed Jeffs tip to vintage electronics where I ended up with a kit of belts to provide the one that MCM are sold out off ..... is it the back tension belt? ESL quoted some $50 for all the bits and pieces including an OEM belt at 44 ...... I expect if B&W sold spares they would charge a simailar amount ...... however it was quite fun finding all these items at lower prices AND look forward to fitting them ....and learning the ropes. I still havent got near a adsl locale so havent got Bobs service manual downloaded thus I havent been able to read the official instructions yet ....... I have read the sites which talk about replacing the idler wheel in a Sankyo ... it seems achievable ....... will replacing the belts be easy as part of that process? Curiously though when the 300 is warm after being on for a while it seems able to rewind and fast forward .... in a satisfactory manner ........ I hope this is still indicative of wheel and belt issues .... or will I be joining Ian Bowley in a Marabuchi search ....which I hope is sourced as soon as possible Ian. In view of a few emails from concerned folks I will just clarify that I was not criticised myself and Im sorry I havent noticed that others have been .... freedom of expression and speech is a thing I learn the limits of everyday with my beloved, respect for one another is (I think) for me a greater discipline, we are all one, most people are doing the best they can ..... even if failing miserably to please me! peace ian r ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: 18 March 2007 12:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself ..... not to denigrate anyone. As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means (for me) encouraging good vibes With respect and peace ian r scotland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From DM2 at marctronixx.com Mon Mar 19 12:37:26 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:37:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... In-Reply-To: <00ac01c768c1$20d62370$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <200703191138.l2JBbce1021402@zxe.naks.com> Thanks all for your input. Im just going to send it off for repairs. Marc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 13:27:00 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 belts up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <427140.3360.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ian, I did send you that manual right? Bob earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: As mentioned I have ordered a new idler wheel and belt from MCM and followed Jeffs tip to vintage electronics where I ended up with a kit of belts to provide the one that MCM are sold out off ..... is it the back tension belt? ESL quoted some $50 for all the bits and pieces including an OEM belt at 44 ...... I expect if B&W sold spares they would charge a simailar amount ...... however it was quite fun finding all these items at lower prices AND look forward to fitting them ....and learning the ropes. I still havent got near a adsl locale so havent got Bobs service manual downloaded thus I havent been able to read the official instructions yet ....... I have read the sites which talk about replacing the idler wheel in a Sankyo ... it seems achievable ....... will replacing the belts be easy as part of that process? Curiously though when the 300 is warm after being on for a while it seems able to rewind and fast forward .... in a satisfactory manner ........ I hope this is still indicative of wheel and belt issues .... or will I be joining Ian Bowley in a Marabuchi search ....which I hope is sourced as soon as possible Ian. In view of a few emails from concerned folks I will just clarify that I was not criticised myself and Im sorry I havent noticed that others have been .... freedom of expression and speech is a thing I learn the limits of everyday with my beloved, respect for one another is (I think) for me a greater discipline, we are all one, most people are doing the best they can ..... even if failing miserably to please me! peace ian r ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Mar 19 13:56:58 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:56:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FE889A.2050103@snet.net> The warmth of response to new members in this group is simply overwhelming : ( Since Jeff Galin won't even sell a belt without a servicing to go with it (understandably due to rarity), and since there is no current equivalent available that I or anyone else seems to know of, I would be happy to donate one of my own NOS classic series capstan belts for measurement and replication. Is $35 so unreasonable to keep your precious deck alive and performing to spec? Ironically, I made several posts to this group about 4 years ago informing that Patty and Jeff Galin had convinced Nak to do a final run of all belt sizes. I also pointed out that it was made clear by Nakamichi that this run would be the last of it and when gone, there'd be no more belts... I'm glad I bought 20 back then and only wish it had been 200. Ed > So what you're saying is, you want help to sell $2 worth of belts to > suckers on eBay for $35, right? > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Mar 19 14:28:14 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FE889A.2050103@snet.net> Message-ID: <149463.65471.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If it works as good as the original I believe $35 is reasonable; absolutely not $55 or $70 as quoted for one to be used in the 582. Thanks. Mike Edward Noyes wrote: The warmth of response to new members in this group is simply overwhelming : ( Since Jeff Galin won't even sell a belt without a servicing to go with it (understandably due to rarity), and since there is no current equivalent available that I or anyone else seems to know of, I would be happy to donate one of my own NOS classic series capstan belts for measurement and replication. Is $35 so unreasonable to keep your precious deck alive and performing to spec? Ironically, I made several posts to this group about 4 years ago informing that Patty and Jeff Galin had convinced Nak to do a final run of all belt sizes. I also pointed out that it was made clear by Nakamichi that this run would be the last of it and when gone, there'd be no more belts... I'm glad I bought 20 back then and only wish it had been 200. Ed So what you're saying is, you want help to sell $2 worth of belts to suckers on eBay for $35, right? Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 19 15:36:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:14:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: _http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096_ (http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096) Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere Yeah, I'm finding the same thing too. Take a look at this page - _http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf_ (http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf) All the motors shown have a shorter shaft than I remember the CR-3 to have, including the one suggested by Bala's experience, the EG 510ED 2F. However, I notice they all have the same universal mounting. I'm going to find out the exact shaft length and width that we need soon, and see if there's another equivalent from Panasonic or Matsushita. If you're searching, look for a 12 volt, clockwise motor with the mounting holes in the same universal mount shown on the Wagner page. If we can find a still-in-stock equivalent, it's worth the trouble. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com Mon Mar 19 15:36:55 2007 From: Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com (Tony Gibson1) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:36:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In-Reply-To: <00be01c76a28$5d3c2f90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: Ian, Did you try this one? They appear to sell at least one Mabuchi 12V CCW motor (bottom of page 4 in the audio list) so may be able to get others. looks like they have a wide selection of belts too. http://www.dalbani.co.uk/electronic_components/audio_spares.php?offset=120 There used to be a supplier, JJ components, who stocked a full range of motors. I have their catalogue from 1994 but the phone number is no longer recognised and I can't find them online. Maybe somebody knows if they are still trading under a different name. Tony Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 19/03/2007 13:13 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To cc Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. 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URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 19 15:55:22 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:55:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC References: Message-ID: <012301c76a36$9ec223d0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Yep Already seen & printed the Wagner sheet after ur previous comments about the replacement of the ~510 one with a ~500 'equivalent. Personally I reckon the best bet is going to be in one of the 'backwater' areas somewhere [to get the Mabuchi motors]. Alternatively I shall consider risking the puirchase of another cheap machine to get a motor. Earlier U said that a reel motor from any of the CR series would suit and presumably those from the BX series may also do if the plastic gear could be swopped to retain gear rather than idler drive ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:14:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere Yeah, I'm finding the same thing too. Take a look at this page - http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf All the motors shown have a shorter shaft than I remember the CR-3 to have, including the one suggested by Bala's experience, the EG 510ED 2F. However, I notice they all have the same universal mounting. I'm going to find out the exact shaft length and width that we need soon, and see if there's another equivalent from Panasonic or Matsushita. If you're searching, look for a 12 volt, clockwise motor with the mounting holes in the same universal mount shown on the Wagner page. If we can find a still-in-stock equivalent, it's worth the trouble. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 19 16:08:36 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:08:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC References: Message-ID: <017f01c76a38$78147d30$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> No I hadn't. For some reason it didn't come up on my Google trawls. As U say the Mabuchi motors are there but 'discontinued' for the one(s) targetted. However there is a 'quote/enquiry' service so I have logged the need through that in the hope Thanks again Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Gibson1 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC Ian, Did you try this one? They appear to sell at least one Mabuchi 12V CCW motor (bottom of page 4 in the audio list) so may be able to get others. looks like they have a wide selection of belts too. http://www.dalbani.co.uk/electronic_components/audio_spares.php?offset=120 There used to be a supplier, JJ components, who stocked a full range of motors. I have their catalogue from 1994 but the phone number is no longer recognised and I can't find them online. Maybe somebody knows if they are still trading under a different name. Tony Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 19/03/2007 13:13 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To cc Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 16:27:34 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In-Reply-To: <012301c76a36$9ec223d0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <348173.66612.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the motor shaft is too short can the belt pulley be repositioned to line up? Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Yep Already seen & printed the Wagner sheet after ur previous comments about the replacement of the ~510 one with a ~500 'equivalent. Personally I reckon the best bet is going to be in one of the 'backwater' areas somewhere [to get the Mabuchi motors]. Alternatively I shall consider risking the puirchase of another cheap machine to get a motor. Earlier U said that a reel motor from any of the CR series would suit and presumably those from the BX series may also do if the plastic gear could be swopped to retain gear rather than idler drive ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:14:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere Yeah, I'm finding the same thing too. Take a look at this page - http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf All the motors shown have a shorter shaft than I remember the CR-3 to have, including the one suggested by Bala's experience, the EG 510ED 2F. However, I notice they all have the same universal mounting. I'm going to find out the exact shaft length and width that we need soon, and see if there's another equivalent from Panasonic or Matsushita. If you're searching, look for a 12 volt, clockwise motor with the mounting holes in the same universal mount shown on the Wagner page. If we can find a still-in-stock equivalent, it's worth the trouble. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Mar 19 16:56:58 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:56:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: <45FEB2CA.8070005@marrscommunications.com> 3/19/2007 Hello everyone, On point that has not been mentioned about the belt issue, replacement belts that are currently being sold by EVERYONE for Nakamichi, Tandberg or ANY other deck, are currently coming from 1 or 2 of the ONLY belt manufacturers left in the U.S. So currently, where you purchase your belts, with the exception of ESL or anyone that still has left over Nakamichi inventory, makes NO difference in the QUALITY of the product you receive. I can not speak for the MCM product because I never tried it, but the PRB FRM9.2 will NOT work because of the dreaded wow/flutter problem. Tolerances currently used by the existing manufactures are not as tight as they were 20 years ago and never will be. Let's face it, if you were in the belt business today, you would be looking for a way to get out, because there is no future in it. This is the only reason the information I received from my "source" got my attention. Mainly because I KNOW it is NOT coming from those existing manufacturers. I have purchased a 680ZX, 681ZX, CR3A, and DR-1 so I can find out for myself if my product is as good as it is "claimed" to be. Again, I have had NO complaints about wow/flutter problems but time will tell. I made a offer to to a couple of gentlemen several weeks ago, 1 currently a member of this group, that if he would send me his old belts for identification, I would send him a new set at NO COST for letting me gather the information. That member can confirm this if he likes, but that should show everyone that making money is not the ONLY reason I a doing this. I am continuing to pursue this for now, but if there is no interest I will just drop it. Thanks to everyone who has contacted be directly with a warm welcome to the group, Fred From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Mar 19 18:59:36 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:59:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay Message-ID: <000801c76a50$5ce7c6d0$52d117c4@home> There are interesting items on eBay at the moment: 1000ZXL gold edition with US voltage presently in the USA but auctioned from UK !!!!!!!!!!!! --and a Dragon by the same seller with European voltage.The interesting thing about these items is that no eBay 'BUY IT NOW' is used ,yet he has a buy it now price! Somebody might recognise the pictures? Over a year ago a similiarly domiciled 1000ZXL gold was offered ! Please know what you are doing before you part with your money on these items!! Walter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 19:13:18 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (madmaxhavlik at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:13:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: <031920071813.17032.45FED2BE00093EDB000042882200762194050704900E08980E030B0E03@comcast.net> Yes folks, Fred currently has the belts from my BX300, so he can procure the proper size belts from his source, and make them available to the public, Max -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marrs Communications > 3/19/2007 > Hello everyone, On point that has not been mentioned about the belt > issue, replacement belts that are currently being sold by EVERYONE for > Nakamichi, Tandberg or ANY other deck, are currently coming from 1 or 2 > of the ONLY belt manufacturers left in the U.S. So currently, where you > purchase your belts, with the exception of ESL or anyone that still has > left over Nakamichi inventory, makes NO difference in the QUALITY of the > product you receive. I can not speak for the MCM product because I never > tried it, but the PRB FRM9.2 will NOT work because of the dreaded > wow/flutter problem. Tolerances currently used by the existing > manufactures are not as tight as they were 20 years ago and never will > be. Let's face it, if you were in the belt business today, you would be > looking for a way to get out, because there is no future in it. This is > the only reason the information I received from my "source" got my > attention. Mainly because I KNOW it is NOT coming from those existing > manufacturers. I have purchased a 680ZX, 681ZX, CR3A, and DR-1 so I can > find out for myself if my product is as good as it is "claimed" to be. > Again, I have had NO complaints about wow/flutter problems but time will > tell. I made a offer to to a couple of gentlemen several weeks ago, 1 > currently a member of this group, that if he would send me his old belts > for identification, I would send him a new set at NO COST for letting me > gather the information. That member can confirm this if he likes, but > that should show everyone that making money is not the ONLY reason I a > doing this. I am continuing to pursue this for now, but if there is no > interest I will just drop it. Thanks to everyone who has contacted be > directly with a warm welcome to the group, Fred > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 19 19:49:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:49:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 11:15:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, madmaxhavlik at comcast.net writes: Yes folks, Fred currently has the belts from my BX300, so he can procure the proper size belts from his source, and make them available to the public, Max Anybody who would pay Fred $30 or more for belts which are available at your local parts store for $10, or on line for from $2 to $4 plus shipping, has to be insane. The BX-300 is the easiest 3-head Nak to get working-within-specs generic belts for, due to it's very forgiving direct-drive capstan motor. And as for the rest of Nak models, anyone can get can get decent belt kits for half the cost of Fred's from Bob Toepfer at _www.vintage-electronics.net_ (http://www.vintage-electronics.net) . Interestingly, in Bob's classic transport belt kits Bob uses a slightly thicker cam belt than the Nak original. I believe the original Nak classic transport belt was the equivalent of PRB SCQ4.8. Bob sent me a cam belt which is the equivalent of the PRB SCA5.0. I now vastly prefer this slightly wider belt to the original. I remember someone from Europe recently suggesting that you should sand the cam pulley with fine sandpaper to get a better traction for the belt! Ooh, that made me shudder. All you have to do is use a slightly wider belt, and this one from Bob and the PRB SCA5.0 work perfectly. I thought there might be something wrong with the cam motor of my 670ZX and I just popped in the belt I got from Bob and it worked perfectly. I've now stocked up on a few PRB SCA5.0 belts, as this is the one which so often goes out on the classic decks. Also, because it's very slightly thicker, I don't think it will dry out as soon, although I've never used any generic belt to the end of it's life span so I don't know how long they last. jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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I don't think so....-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 20:41:25 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:41:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10703191241n7686c3f5k7d153cbc8a0b110b@mail.gmail.com> Probably another case of hijacked ebay account. On 3/19/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > There are interesting items on eBay at the moment: 1000ZXL gold edition > with US voltage presently in the USA but auctioned from UK !!!!!!!!!!!! > --and a Dragon by the same seller with European voltage.The interesting > thing about these items is that no eBay 'BUY IT NOW' is used ,yet he has a > buy it now price! Somebody might recognise the pictures? Over a year ago a > similiarly domiciled 1000ZXL gold was offered ! > Please know what you are doing before you part with your money on these > items!! > Walter. > A "don't bid email me at quickdealsuk at aol.com" and being auctioned by > Chery'ls Dolls & Collectibles? I don't think so....-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Mar 19 21:41:02 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: eBay In-Reply-To: <001101c76a50$a3741450$52d117c4@home> References: <001101c76a50$a3741450$52d117c4@home> Message-ID: <45FEF55E.1040703@bluewin.ch> The following website may be helpful for all naktalkers in such kind of cases: http://wiki.aa419.org/index.php/Main_Page Franz drewes schrieb: > Sorry, numbers are #110105242530 and #110105247317 wd > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* drewes > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2007 7:59 PM > *Subject:* eBay > > There are interesting items on eBay at the moment: 1000ZXL gold > edition with US voltage presently in the USA but auctioned from UK > !!!!!!!!!!!! --and a Dragon by the same seller with European > voltage.The interesting thing about these items is that no eBay 'BUY > IT NOW' is used ,yet he has a buy it now price! Somebody might > recognise the pictures? Over a year ago a similiarly domiciled > 1000ZXL gold was offered ! > Please know what you are doing before you part with your money on > these items!! > Walter. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 19 21:57:52 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:57:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Starting 2 new endeavours In-Reply-To: <002701c76924$53f39540$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200703171749.l2HHnist021730@zxe.naks.com> <002701c76924$53f39540$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Message-ID: <45FEF950.2020203@rcn.com> Soumi, It's a bit like installing new expensive alloy wheels on a Yugo in an effort to turn it into a Rolls-Royce... I sincerely doubt you will improve the deck at all. However, if you enjoy the exercise, this is an excellent way to while away the time. -- Ron soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi All > I am about to start a new project .. ie. souping up my MR2 according to > Stephen Sank's recommendations. > I will be changing the op-amps and capacitors etc. > You might say this is a fruitless endeavour .. with a 2 head Nak .. but its > still a good machine .. and if sold now, a new machine would have been out > of my budget. > So please wish me luck and be ready for any help that I may need :) > > Best > Soumi From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 19 22:02:56 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:02:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk In-Reply-To: <365385.10527.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <365385.10527.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45FEFA80.60701@rcn.com> Personally, I see nothing wrong with constructive criticism, if offered in good faith. For the times where 'no good deed goes unpunished,', I just grin and bear it. Life it too short to worry about such things. Peace, -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > This has been a sensitive issue and a few members, including myself, > have been affected by critizisms. However, I have seen others also take > flak for trying to do good deeds, both in this forum as well as others. > And because Naktalk has evolved into a community of its own, the Good, > the Bad and the Ugly all prowl around here. We just have to stick to our > cause and ignore those whom might cause distress to us. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John Nelson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 10:24:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk > > Well stated Ian... > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:34 AM > Subject: [naktalk] A worry about naktalk > > > > Dear Brothers and Sisters keen on Nakamichi's > > > > I wanted to say how sad I was to see an instance of personal > > criticism on Naktalk recently ... I have not experienced it before on > > this forum ..... it maybe there is an ongoing disgreement but I call > > for us all to be gracious with each other in the public forum ...... > > it seems to me most folks here are committed in their own ways to > > making Naks viable and survive into the next generations of listeners > > etc ...... if in doing that some folks were to attempt to make a > > living out of this passion then surely that tolerable? > > > > Personally I do not have a very 'thick skin' and would not be able to > > stay in a forum if I was being 'flamed' and so I write in order to be > > true to the ethic of treating others as I hope to be treated myself > > ..... not to denigrate anyone. > > > > As always hoping for the best and wanting that for others. sometimes > > that means encouraging others to buy nakamichis other times it means > > (for me) encouraging good vibes > > With respect and peace > > > > ian r > > scotland From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 19 22:13:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:13:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In-Reply-To: <00be01c76a28$5d3c2f90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <00be01c76a28$5d3c2f90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <45FEFCDE.5010408@rcn.com> The motor on this link is 9V and the mounting holes require an M2.6 screw (vs. the M2.0 on Mabuchi motors). -- Ron ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: > > http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 > > Jeff > > Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me > another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi > motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar > dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so > given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without > other electrical mods [of some sort]. > > Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Tue Mar 20 00:03:45 2007 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:03:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops (again) Message-ID: <00ac01c76a7a$d99dcba0$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> Hi all nakkers. I have a BX 300e which records, rewinds, forward winds fine. On playback, it gets through half the tape and then it stops and leaves a small loop of tape at the take-up end, but mostly, towards the end of the tape. It seems to struggle as the volume of tape on the take up reel increases so torque may be a problem. I have lubed the capstans and used silicon grease on the (nylon) idler gears but to no avail. (was that a mistake?) Everything looks ok - no sign of wear on the gears, everything in line. Am I right in saying mine is either a later model or has had the idler gear upgrade? ie it has gears instead of the idler tyre. Would it be a sensor or maybe the motor - there seems plenty of torque when I touch the take up reel gear in playmode. Could the motor be stripped and cleaned? I have had the mech out and can see nothing out of place. Any help would be appreciated. I have a ZX7 in trouble too, but that's for next week! Love the site etc. OK sometimes it gets a bit heated but its great to know there are other people out there who don't think you are'nt the full shilling for preferring tape to digital. Thanks John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As ur BX has the nylon gear rather than the idler wheel in the earlier models then I guess that the reel motor is being subjected to the same issues that the earlier method seems to avoid ? Suggestions for mine have identified the reel motor as the cause & include deoxit application or motor replacement, possibly sourced from an older BX or another CR series machine as new ones seem 'nla'. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Chapman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops (again) Hi all nakkers. I have a BX 300e which records, rewinds, forward winds fine. On playback, it gets through half the tape and then it stops and leaves a small loop of tape at the take-up end, but mostly, towards the end of the tape. It seems to struggle as the volume of tape on the take up reel increases so torque may be a problem. I have lubed the capstans and used silicon grease on the (nylon) idler gears but to no avail. (was that a mistake?) Everything looks ok - no sign of wear on the gears, everything in line. Am I right in saying mine is either a later model or has had the idler gear upgrade? ie it has gears instead of the idler tyre. Would it be a sensor or maybe the motor - there seems plenty of torque when I touch the take up reel gear in playmode. Could the motor be stripped and cleaned? I have had the mech out and can see nothing out of place. Any help would be appreciated. I have a ZX7 in trouble too, but that's for next week! Love the site etc. OK sometimes it gets a bit heated but its great to know there are other people out there who don't think you are'nt the full shilling for preferring tape to digital. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Mar 20 00:39:47 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:39:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, just to clarify, is there a decent alternative for the ZX9 belts? (Not that I need one just yet ...) Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 20 00:46:26 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:46:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FF20D2.1000107@snet.net> Jeff, The point is that you are not mentioning the capstan belt and that is because no one here has been able to find a truly workable substitute for any decks before the BX series. If you could get the belts from a supplier at a few bucks a pop, then you would be insane to pay $30. If there is no way to get your Nak to sing because no match exists, then $30 should ought to seem a bargain if the belt does work properly. BTW, the big problem with replacements is not width, but rather that the Nak spec called for a thickness of .020 which is thinner than any belt I've encountered. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2007 11:15:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > madmaxhavlik at comcast.net writes: > > Yes folks, Fred currently has the belts from my BX300, so he can > procure the proper size belts from his source, and make them > available to the public, Max > > > Anybody who would pay Fred $30 or more for belts which are available > at your local parts store for $10, or on line for from $2 to $4 plus > shipping, has to be insane. The BX-300 is the easiest 3-head Nak to > get working-within-specs generic belts for, due to it's very forgiving > direct-drive capstan motor. > > And as for the rest of Nak models, anyone can get can get decent belt > kits for half the cost of Fred's from Bob Toepfer at > www.vintage-electronics.net . > Interestingly, in Bob's classic transport belt kits Bob uses a > slightly thicker cam belt than the Nak original. I believe the > original Nak classic transport belt was the equivalent of PRB SCQ4.8. > Bob sent me a cam belt which is the equivalent of the PRB SCA5.0. I > now vastly prefer this slightly wider belt to the original. I > remember someone from Europe recently suggesting that you should sand > the cam pulley with fine sandpaper to get a better traction for the > belt! Ooh, that made me shudder. All you have to do is use a > slightly wider belt, and this one from Bob and the PRB SCA5.0 work > perfectly. I thought there might be something wrong with the cam > motor of my 670ZX and I just popped in the belt I got from Bob and it > worked perfectly. I've now stocked up on a few PRB SCA5.0 belts, as > this is the one which so often goes out on the classic decks. Also, > because it's very slightly thicker, I don't think it will dry out as > soon, although I've never used any generic belt to the end of it's > life span so I don't know how long they last. > jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 20 01:02:53 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:02:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: <45FF24AD.3080106@marrscommunications.com> THANK YOU ED !! FRED From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 20 01:23:46 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:23:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 4:49:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: The point is that you are not mentioning the capstan belt and that is because no one here has been able to find a truly workable substitute for any decks before the BX series. If you could get the belts from a supplier at a few bucks a pop, then you would be insane to pay $30. If there is no way to get your Nak to sing because no match exists, then $30 should ought to seem a bargain if the belt does work properly. BTW, the big problem with replacements is not width, but rather that the Nak spec called for a thickness of .020 which is thinner than any belt I've encountered. I have no assurance that the capstan belts being sold on eBay for $30 and more resemble in any way the original Nak belts. That is in fact my very point. According to the guy himself, they're .031 or something. I have no problem with paying good money for good stuff, but I think paying $30 or more for a belt from a guy who doesn't know what he's doing is insane. And the proof he doesn't know what he's doing is that he's mining Naktalk for information - he doesn't know what the right belts are. The belts which I got from Bob Toepfer at _http://www.vintage-electronics.net/_ (http://www.vintage-electronics.net/) now some time back were in fact very thin, similar to but not the same as the Nak belt. They were in the same ball park as the original belts, but slightly wider. I do not know if he still has these belts or not. I had a good result with these belts on 2 480's, and I kind of like Bob. I thought he was very responsible and helpful. I like to spend my money with someone who I feel I can support. Having been ripped off a number of times on eBay, I think eBay is a den of thieves and you're lucky to get something good. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Tue Mar 20 01:35:56 2007 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:35:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops again !!!!!!! No More!!!! Message-ID: <01be01c76a87$bd113820$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> Hi nakkers all Is this a record? (No its a tape) I posted earlier this evening about my errant BX300. Ian Bowley responded in 5 minutes, as did Jeff. I duly sprayed the motor with servisol and Bingo, suddently it sounded quite different - smooth as silk! And it has now got through a complete casette. Thanks Ian and jeff. Job done! Now this ZX7 - - - Cheers lads John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Mar 20 02:27:20 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:27:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: <45FF3878.9000009@caribsurf.com> Some weeks ago I asked B&W if they had belts for the BX300 and they replied affirmatively and said the kit would be the equivalent of US$37 including delivery..... "equivalent belts" can be bought from MCM for a fraction of that price (even allowing for their high delivery charge) but a genuine Nak belt would obviously be much pricier. The square belts (SC series) cross section is related to the last letter: A.065-.079 B.080-.095 Y.035-.039 X .040-.049 Q .050-.064 so Jeff's change from Q to A increased his cross section from .050-.064 to .065-.079..... Were the original belts rubber? These replacements might be neoprene which is somewhat tougher! (ie less elastic!) Regards Paul From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 20 03:28:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:28:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:37:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Some weeks ago I asked B&W if they had belts for the BX300 and they replied affirmatively and said the kit would be the equivalent of US$37 including delivery..... "equivalent belts" can be bought from MCM for a fraction of that price (even allowing for their high delivery charge) but a genuine Nak belt would obviously be much pricier. The square belts (SC series) cross section is related to the last letter: A.065-.079 B.080-.095 Y.035-.039 X .040-.049 Q .050-.064 so Jeff's change from Q to A increased his cross section from .050-.064 to .065-.079..... Were the original belts rubber? These replacements might be neoprene which is somewhat tougher! (ie less elastic!) The cam belt I took off my 670ZX and which I believe was the original Nak belt, though you can never know for sure, seems to be exactly the same as the PRB SCQ4.8. I have a package for the SCQ4.8 sitting in front of me. It has an inner circumference of 4.844 inches, according to the package. It doesn't have a square width on the package, but I'm sure it's about what you list. The cam belts I got from Bob Toepfer for my 480's seem to be the same as the SCA5.0. I also have a package for that one right here. According to the package, it's 5.0 inches inner circumference, which is longer than the SCQ4.8 by 0.156 inches. It is very slightly wider than the SCQ4.8. I think the extra length compensates for the extra width. I have found this cam belt works very well in my 480's and I put one in my 670ZX as well. Now, I have exchanged some emails with Jeff Galin at ESL today, as they're doing a follow-up repair on a BX-300 rebuild for me. He warns me that you should never use a smaller belt than the original as it may reduce the life of the bearings. Good advice. He also told me that ESL still has some classic capstan belts for sale for $55 a pop. As far as I know, these are the only genuine Nak classic drive belts still available. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Whatever my shortcomings are, I'm not cheap. I have spent $2400 at ESL this year. If you really want a classic belt, I would suggest going for it. If you average the cost over the life left in your deck, it's probably not a lot of money. I think if you're going to spend a lot of money for a belt, you ought to get a very good one. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Mar 20 03:33:59 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <802971.83526.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In this case I think I need to agree with what Jeff said. Amen. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:37:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Some weeks ago I asked B&W if they had belts for the BX300 and they replied affirmatively and said the kit would be the equivalent of US$37 including delivery..... "equivalent belts" can be bought from MCM for a fraction of that price (even allowing for their high delivery charge) but a genuine Nak belt would obviously be much pricier. The square belts (SC series) cross section is related to the last letter: A.065-.079 B.080-.095 Y.035-.039 X .040-.049 Q .050-.064 so Jeff's change from Q to A increased his cross section from .050-.064 to .065-.079..... Were the original belts rubber? These replacements might be neoprene which is somewhat tougher! (ie less elastic!) The cam belt I took off my 670ZX and which I believe was the original Nak belt, though you can never know for sure, seems to be exactly the same as the PRB SCQ4.8. I have a package for the SCQ4.8 sitting in front of me. It has an inner circumference of 4.844 inches, according to the package. It doesn't have a square width on the package, but I'm sure it's about what you list. The cam belts I got from Bob Toepfer for my 480's seem to be the same as the SCA5.0. I also have a package for that one right here. According to the package, it's 5.0 inches inner circumference, which is longer than the SCQ4.8 by 0.156 inches. It is very slightly wider than the SCQ4.8. I think the extra length compensates for the extra width. I have found this cam belt works very well in my 480's and I put one in my 670ZX as well. Now, I have exchanged some emails with Jeff Galin at ESL today, as they're doing a follow-up repair on a BX-300 rebuild for me. He warns me that you should never use a smaller belt than the original as it may reduce the life of the bearings. Good advice. He also told me that ESL still has some classic capstan belts for sale for $55 a pop. As far as I know, these are the only genuine Nak classic drive belts still available. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Whatever my shortcomings are, I'm not cheap. I have spent $2400 at ESL this year. If you really want a classic belt, I would suggest going for it. If you average the cost over the life left in your deck, it's probably not a lot of money. I think if you're going to spend a lot of money for a belt, you ought to get a very good one. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Tue Mar 20 04:03:50 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:03:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FF4F16.9010701@caribsurf.com> I agree with Jeff Galin that a smaller circumferencer belt will put more pressure on the bearing and hence affect its life. On the same basis, a larger cross-section will have the same effect and it will be necessary to lengthen the belt to reduce the pressure on the bearing (which is why you used a larger circumference when you increased the cross-section!) The other consideration is the composition of the belt - rubber or plastic of some sort. The belt that perished on my BX300 was rubber- the replacements which were sent to me (and which were too small) were neoprene (I think or some plastic derivative). The FRM9.2 which is being used by some has a larger circumference than my thin rubber flat belt. I thought this was because it was not rubber but Russell Industries (who makes the PRB line) claims the FR is flat rubber and they have incorporated precision moulded belts into their flat rubber belt line, hence the FRM! Regards Paul Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2007 6:37:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: > > Some weeks ago I asked B&W if they had belts for the BX300 and they > replied affirmatively and said the kit would be the equivalent of > US$37 > including delivery..... > "equivalent belts" can be bought from MCM for a fraction of that > price > (even allowing for their > high delivery charge) but a genuine Nak belt would obviously be much > pricier. > The square belts (SC series) cross section is related to the last > letter: > A.065-.079 > B.080-.095 > Y.035-.039 > X .040-.049 > Q .050-.064 > so Jeff's change from Q to A increased his cross section from > .050-.064 > to .065-.079..... > Were the original belts rubber? These replacements might be neoprene > which is somewhat > tougher! (ie less elastic!) > > The cam belt I took off my 670ZX and which I believe was the original > Nak belt, though you can never know for sure, seems to be exactly the > same as the PRB SCQ4.8. I have a package for the SCQ4.8 sitting in > front of me. It has an inner circumference of 4.844 inches, according > to the package. It doesn't have a square width on the package, but > I'm sure it's about what you list. > The cam belts I got from Bob Toepfer for my 480's seem to be the same > as the SCA5.0. I also have a package for that one right here. > According to the package, it's 5.0 inches inner circumference, which > is longer than the SCQ4.8 by 0.156 inches. It is very slightly wider > than the SCQ4.8. I think the extra length compensates for the extra > width. I have found this cam belt works very well in my 480's and I > put one in my 670ZX as well. > Now, I have exchanged some emails with Jeff Galin at ESL today, as > they're doing a follow-up repair on a BX-300 rebuild for me. He warns > me that you should never use a smaller belt than the original as it > may reduce the life of the bearings. Good advice. > He also told me that ESL still has some classic capstan belts for sale > for $55 a pop. As far as I know, these are the only genuine Nak > classic drive belts still available. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > Whatever my shortcomings are, I'm not cheap. I have spent $2400 at > ESL this year. If you really want a classic belt, I would suggest > going for it. If you average the cost over the life left in your > deck, it's probably not a lot of money. I think if you're going to > spend a lot of money for a belt, you ought to get a very good one. > Jeff > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:20:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:20:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 8:03:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Russell Industries (who makes the PRB line) claims the FR is flat rubber and they have incorporated precision moulded belts into their flat rubber belt line, hence the FRM! That's interesting. I didn't know about "FRM." I have decided to ask a fellow I know who has the expertise and 2 T-100's to go with it (I said "Hail Swami, We Are Not Worthy" when he showed me his test equipment) to do some analysis of different generic belts on the BX-300 for me. This might take a while, as he's retired, though he still has a workroom in his garage. I'll try to get hard data on the performance of different generic belts in the BX-300 and I'll pay him for his time if he wants me to. I have 3 BX-300's, 1 MR-1, and a CR-4 which use the same belts and this is actually an issue for me. I recently gave another BX-300 to my girlfriend, too, which I intend to maintain for her (does that make her "high maintenance"?) I'll let you know when it's done. I haven't seen any generic belts for the classic transport worth testing, except maybe the one from Bob Toepfer, and I don't have an extra one of those at the moment which isn't already in use. I think I'm just going to go with the one from ESL until they're gone. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ivchat at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 06:24:31 2007 From: ivchat at gmail.com (Ivo Atanasov) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:24:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: <491dedb60703192224k7d8446c9m1ea0373fae7e68bf@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, NAKAMICHI fans, Since a year I keep track of the discussions in NAK forum and find them very helpful. I always (and for ever) feel myself a member of this great community. And now it is time to take part in NAK deliberations and ask for your advice. Recently I find out my Cassette Deck1 in big trouble – deep, impressive Nakamichi bass disappears during the recording. High freqs are fine, but low freqs are missing. Previously recorded tapes sound excellent. Otherwise the deck is in mint condition. Did anybody had a problem like this? Highly appreciate any suggestions, dear colleagues. Ivo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Mar 20 07:39:10 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 02:39:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts and Motors In-Reply-To: <200703191439.l2JEd74S023822@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703191439.l2JEd74S023822@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C938D199D759EF-6E8-79DA@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> Hi All I'm away from home at a conference this week, so I don't have a lot of information at my finger tips, but as far as the capstan belt for 480 series, 580 series, 660-680series, ZX-7, 1000ZXL etc is concerned, I have used a generic belt zillions of times with no problems - it is 75 X 0.6 X 5 - this is the part number and also the dimensions in mm - that is diameter 75mm (circumference 75XPI) - thickness 0.6mm - width 5mm. It is readily available in Australia for peanuts from WES Components P/L - also called Wagners. You may need a trade account to buy - I've had one for a long time - you may need a minimum order of $100AUD or so. You may be able to club together to open a trade account. This company also have a wide selection of motors - some used to be identical to various Nak motors, and in some cases new replacement motors for these are listed in their large catalogue. If anyone wants more information, I'll be able to supply more after Friday 24th when I'm back in Brisbane. You could google WES Components and have a browse around in the meantime. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 95 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: RX 505 Trouble.... (DM2) 2. Re: BX 300 belts up (Bob Naylor) 3. Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 (Edward Noyes) 4. UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) 5. Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 (LENA WONG) 6. Re: UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC (Bansijeff at aol.com) 7. Re: UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC (Tony Gibson1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:37:26 -0400 From: "DM2" Subject: RE: [naktalk] RX 505 Trouble.... To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <200703191138.l2JBbce1021402 at zxe.naks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks all for your input. Im just going to send it off for repairs. Marc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070319/755934eb/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 belts up To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <427140.3360.qm at web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ian, I did send you that manual right? Bob earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: As mentioned I have ordered a new idler wheel and belt from MCM and followed Jeffs tip to vintage electronics where I ended up with a kit of belts to provide the one that MCM are sold out off ..... is it the back tension belt? ESL quoted some $50 for all the bits and pieces including an OEM belt at 44 ...... I expect if B&W sold spares they would charge a simailar amount ...... however it was quite fun finding all these items at lower prices AND look forward to fitting them ....and learning the ropes. I still havent got near a adsl locale so havent got Bobs service manual downloaded thus I havent been able to read the official instructions yet ....... I have read the sites which talk about replacing the idler wheel in a Sankyo ... it seems achievable ....... will replacing the belts be easy as part of that process? Curiously though when the 300 is warm after being on for a while it seems able to rewind and fast forward .... in a satisfactory manner ........ I hope this is still indicative of wheel and belt issues .... or will I be joining Ian Bowley in a Marabuchi search ....which I hope is sourced as soon as possible Ian. In view of a few emails from concerned folks I will just clarify that I was not criticised myself and Im sorry I havent noticed that others have been .... freedom of expression and speech is a thing I learn the limits of everyday with my beloved, respect for one another is (I think) for me a greater discipline, we are all one, most people are doing the best they can ..... even if failing miserably to please me! peace ian r ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also pointed out that it was made clear by Nakamichi that this run would be the last of it and when gone, there'd be no more belts... I'm glad I bought 20 back then and only wish it had been 200. Ed > So what you're saying is, you want help to sell $2 worth of belts to > suckers on eBay for $35, right? > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070319/e3a21be2/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <149463.65471.qm at web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If it works as good as the original I believe $35 is reasonable; absolutely not $55 or $70 as quoted for one to be used in the 582. Thanks. Mike Edward Noyes wrote: The warmth of response to new members in this group is simply overwhelming : ( Since Jeff Galin won't even sell a belt without a servicing to go with it (understandably due to rarity), and since there is no current equivalent available that I or anyone else seems to know of, I would be happy to donate one of my own NOS classic series capstan belts for measurement and replication. Is $35 so unreasonable to keep your precious deck alive and performing to spec? Ironically, I made several posts to this group about 4 years ago informing that Patty and Jeff Galin had convinced Nak to do a final run of all belt sizes. I also pointed out that it was made clear by Nakamichi that this run would be the last of it and when gone, there'd be no more belts... I'm glad I bought 20 back then and only wish it had been 200. Ed So what you're saying is, you want help to sell $2 worth of belts to suckers on eBay for $35, right? Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere Yeah, I'm finding the same thing too. Take a look at this page - _http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf_ (http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/05_05.pdf) All the motors shown have a shorter shaft than I remember the CR-3 to have, including the one suggested by Bala's experience, the EG 510ED 2F. However, I notice they all have the same universal mounting. I'm going to find out the exact shaft length and width that we need soon, and see if there's another equivalent from Panasonic or Matsushita. If you're searching, look for a 12 volt, clockwise motor with the mounting holes in the same universal mount shown on the Wagner page. If we can find a still-in-stock equivalent, it's worth the trouble. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070319/2c1b85d3/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:36:55 +0000 From: Tony Gibson1 Subject: Re: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ian, Did you try this one? They appear to sell at least one Mabuchi 12V CCW motor (bottom of page 4 in the audio list) so may be able to get others. looks like they have a wide selection of belts too. http://www.dalbani.co.uk/electronic_components/audio_spares.php?offset=120 There used to be a supplier, JJ components, who stocked a full range of motors. I have their catalogue from 1994 but the phone number is no longer recognised and I can't find them online. Maybe somebody knows if they are still trading under a different name. 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URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Tue Mar 20 08:18:47 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:18:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Belts and Motors References: <200703191439.l2JEd74S023822@zxe.naks.com> <8C938D199D759EF-6E8-79DA@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E0C@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi John Are there any belts available in Aus that you can recommend for the ZX-9? I have just purchased a belt kit from Jeff Galin of ESL in the States with no problems. I purchased and replaced all but the idler tyre. Is the ZX-9 as fussy for the OEM belts as some of the other decks? Jeff's belts seemed to do it for me. Thanks for any advice Regards David Hi All I'm away from home at a conference this week, so I don't have a lot of information at my finger tips, but as far as the capstan belt for 480 series, 580 series, 660-680series, ZX-7, 1000ZXL etc is concerned, I have used a generic belt zillions of times with no problems - it is 75 X 0.6 X 5 - this is the part number and also the dimensions in mm - that is diameter 75mm (circumference 75XPI) - thickness 0.6mm - width 5mm. It is readily available in Australia for peanuts from WES Components P/L - also called Wagners. You may need a trade account to buy - I've had one for a long time - you may need a minimum order of $100AUD or so. You may be able to club together to open a trade account. This company also have a wide selection of motors - some used to be identical to various Nak motors, and in some cases new replacement motors for these are listed in their large catalogue. If anyone wants more information, I'll be able to supply more after Friday 24th when I'm back in Brisbane. You could google WES Components and have a browse around in the meantime. Regards John Gipps This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise the deck is in mint condition. Did anybody had a problem like this? Highly appreciate any suggestions, dear colleagues. Ivo The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 20 09:23:24 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:23:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C938E02974CAF4-CE4-735B@WEBMAIL-RE08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Gra' ZX-9 - as far as I know, ESL still stock the original, but expensive. There is no good alternative yet. 680 - Spoke to B&W who claim they have 680 belts but have not tried one yet. (Not sure if Original or Replacement). Cam control / timing belts less critical. Ben -----Original Message----- From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11.39PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 So, just to clarify, is there a decent alternative for the ZX9 belts? (Not that I need one just yet ...) 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URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 20 09:27:57 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:27:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts and Motors In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E0C@babbage.usq.edu.au> References: <200703191439.l2JEd74S023822@zxe.naks.com> <8C938D199D759EF-6E8-79DA@webmail-de15.sysops.aol.com> <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E0C@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <8C938E0CC6EBA5E-CE4-7362@WEBMAIL-RE08.sysops.aol.com> Jeff's belts are original Nak belts so should be good. ZX-9 very fussy. Ben -----Original Message----- From: kingd at usq.edu.au To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 7.18AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belts and Motors Hi John Are there any belts available in Aus that you can recommend for the ZX-9? I have just purchased a belt kit from Jeff Galin of ESL in the States with no problems. I purchased and replaced all but the idler tyre. Is the ZX-9 as fussy for the OEM belts as some of the other decks? Jeff's belts seemed to do it for me. Thanks for any advice Regards David Hi All I'm away from home at a conference this week, so I don't have a lot of information at my finger tips, but as far as the capstan belt for 480 series, 580 series, 660-680series, ZX-7, 1000ZXL etc is concerned, I have used a generic belt zillions of times with no problems - it is 75 X 0.6 X 5 - this is the part number and also the dimensions in mm - that is diameter 75mm (circumference 75XPI) - thickness 0.6mm - width 5mm. It is readily available in Australia for peanuts from WES Components P/L - also called Wagners. You may need a trade account to buy - I've had one for a long time - you may need a minimum order of $100AUD or so. You may be able to club together to open a trade account. This company also have a wide selection of motors - some used to be identical to various Nak motors, and in some cases new replacement motors for these are listed in their large catalogue. If anyone wants more information, I'll be able to supply more after Friday 24th when I'm back in Brisbane. You could google WES Components and have a browse around in the meantime. Regards John Gipps This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 20 09:47:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <586120.74057.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think this is the kind of testing we need with regards to capstan belts, especially those for the classic mechanism. BG Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/19/2007 8:03:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: Russell Industries (who makes the PRB line) claims the FR is flat rubber and they have incorporated precision moulded belts into their flat rubber belt line, hence the FRM! That's interesting. I didn't know about "FRM." I have decided to ask a fellow I know who has the expertise and 2 T-100's to go with it (I said "Hail Swami, We Are Not Worthy" when he showed me his test equipment) to do some analysis of different generic belts on the BX-300 for me. This might take a while, as he's retired, though he still has a workroom in his garage. I'll try to get hard data on the performance of different generic belts in the BX-300 and I'll pay him for his time if he wants me to. I have 3 BX-300's, 1 MR-1, and a CR-4 which use the same belts and this is actually an issue for me. I recently gave another BX-300 to my girlfriend, too, which I intend to maintain for her (does that make her "high maintenance"?) I'll let you know when it's done. I haven't seen any generic belts for the classic transport worth testing, except maybe the one from Bob Toepfer, and I don't have an extra one of those at the moment which isn't already in use. I think I'm just going to go with the one from ESL until they're gone. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 20 11:28:00 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:28:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nak Message-ID: <000001c76ada$70ca9d50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does anybody no anything about the NAKAMICHI RD-601 Car Tuner Cassette Deck It is on Ebay, Item number: 320092641006, and would consider it for my small camper van if it can be recommended. If so what speakers and amp would be best suited? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Tue Mar 20 11:28:11 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:28:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nak Message-ID: <000001c76ada$76f4fbd0$7300a8c0@Shaun> Does anybody no anything about the NAKAMICHI RD-601 Car Tuner Cassette Deck It is on Ebay, Item number: 320092641006, and would consider it for my small camper van if it can be recommended. If so what speakers and amp would be best suited? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 20 13:33:26 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:33:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BELTS 680 / ZX-9 Re: PRB Read the fine print Message-ID: <45FFD496.8020604@marrscommunications.com> Approach the PRB FRM with caution. PRB belts are only precision molded if UNDER .030". The FRM series does NOT fall into that category so you do not have the +/- tolerence needed. Hence, wow/flutter. Fred From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 20 14:02:24 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:02:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] BELTS 680 / ZX-9 Re: PRB Read the fine print In-Reply-To: <45FFD496.8020604@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FFD496.8020604@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <23382.212.78.164.66.1174395744.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Good to have you on the list Fred! Let's hope we can have a good belt solution soon, your knowledge is very useful for all Nak owners. Wouter > Approach the PRB FRM with caution. PRB belts are only precision molded > if UNDER .030". The FRM series does NOT fall into that category so you > do not have the +/- tolerence needed. Hence, wow/flutter. Fred > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 20 14:05:48 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:05:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BELTS 680/ZX9 PRB Clarification / FRM ! Message-ID: <45FFDC2C.3020404@marrscommunications.com> The specifications we are discussing here are .030", WALL thickness. Width, or CROSS SECTION does not effect wow/flutter but would effect P.S.I. on bearings, where you must compensate. Fred From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 20 14:09:38 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:09:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BELTS 680/ZX9 PRB Clarification / FRM ! In-Reply-To: <45FFDC2C.3020404@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FFDC2C.3020404@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <45FFDD12.8080709@marrscommunications.com> THANKS WOUTER ! Marrs Communications wrote: > The specifications we are discussing here are .030", WALL thickness. > Width, or CROSS SECTION does not effect wow/flutter but would effect > P.S.I. on bearings, where you must compensate. Fred > From aurganci at servisnet.com.tr Tue Mar 20 14:18:37 2007 From: aurganci at servisnet.com.tr (Adnan URGANCI) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:18:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Carver C-4000 Preamplifier Message-ID: <2AC5127C438F2F4F9639A7F8A77E8E67015ADD71@servisnet.com.tr> I have bought Carver C-4000. I am looking for owners manual of Carver C-4000 Preamplifier. Do you have this manual? Regards Adnan -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 20 14:47:05 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:47:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Carver C-4000 Preamplifier In-Reply-To: <2AC5127C438F2F4F9639A7F8A77E8E67015ADD71@servisnet.com.tr> References: <2AC5127C438F2F4F9639A7F8A77E8E67015ADD71@servisnet.com.tr> Message-ID: <13226.212.78.164.66.1174398425.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I must have missed this specific Nakamichi model... Or did Nakamichi manufacture this model for Carver? Wouter > > I have bought Carver C-4000. I am looking for owners manual of Carver > C-4000 > Preamplifier. Do you have this manual? > > > Regards > > > Adnan > From Benstratford at aol.com Tue Mar 20 19:26:23 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:26:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts for 680 / ZX9 UPDATE Message-ID: Fred, Good to have you aboard. Sorry for seemingly stating the obvious. Perhaps I'm just outlining how I would try to go about this project! "I made a offer to to a couple of gentlemen several weeks ago, 1 currently a member of this group, that if he would send me his old belts for identification" May an old belt not have stretched slightly or have reduced elasticity or something? Not sure if all measurements would be satisfactory for reproduction purposes. How about buying new original belts: "ESL or anyone that still has left over Nakamichi inventory " That you then measure and agree spec's with from the experts on this forum. Maybe you could then employ someone with the technology to trial prospective new variants that are manufactured to these specs (for a few FREE belts perhaps) and once satisfactory - sign off the manufacturer. Appreciating the difficulties in accurate Wow / Flutter measurement. Member's of the forum will appreciate that you will have to recover your costs for the initial outlay - within the price of the finished product. You just need to decide if this is achieveable and how many belts to divide these costs over as to whether this is a barrier to market entry or not. Too high a price and people will go elsewhere. Get it right though, and you would be certain to have a product that would remain in demand for quite a while and remain available while all other sources are depleted. Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Tue Mar 20 23:36:04 2007 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:36:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls Message-ID: <022601c76b40$259a59e0$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads are still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the noise stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. Thanks John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 21 00:03:07 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:03:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls In-Reply-To: <022601c76b40$259a59e0$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> References: <022601c76b40$259a59e0$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> Message-ID: <4600682B.20908@yahoo.ca> Is it using gear drive? Maybe it needs more power in the drive motor? If it's an idler, it might be turning and making noise against the non-moving hub. Probably unrelated, but I know one of my BX-2 is doing a similar noise when I insert a new tape and press play. It's just that it runs the drive motor a bit to apply tension on the tape, while the rubber "brakes" are still on the hub wheels. Maybe all this is completely unrelated since I think the ZX-7 is not using the Sankyo transport, but it might give you ideas. Is it possible to try the mechanism while it's stripped down(Plates hiding mechanism, etc) and easy to look at with a transparent-cased tape with that deck? John Chapman a écrit : > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads are > still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the noise > stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. > > Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. > > Thanks > > John Chapman From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 21 00:22:48 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls In-Reply-To: <4600682B.20908@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <645737.18986.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, One of my ZX7's sometimes makes that sound on both FF & REW. I takes about a half second from the time the tape stops for the deck to go to stop mode. Bob Antoine Deschênes wrote: Is it using gear drive? Maybe it needs more power in the drive motor? If it's an idler, it might be turning and making noise against the non-moving hub. Probably unrelated, but I know one of my BX-2 is doing a similar noise when I insert a new tape and press play. It's just that it runs the drive motor a bit to apply tension on the tape, while the rubber "brakes" are still on the hub wheels. Maybe all this is completely unrelated since I think the ZX-7 is not using the Sankyo transport, but it might give you ideas. Is it possible to try the mechanism while it's stripped down(Plates hiding mechanism, etc) and easy to look at with a transparent-cased tape with that deck? John Chapman a écrit : > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads are > still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the noise > stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. > > Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. > > Thanks > > John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed Mar 21 00:31:18 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:31:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Motors Message-ID: <46006EC6.8020206@caribsurf.com> I was looking at the Russell Industries website and came across a number of Nak motors listed see http://russellind.com/client/download/prb_line.pdf Regards Paul From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Mar 21 00:30:29 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:30:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls Message-ID: Is it this? http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% 20Noise > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads > are still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the > noise stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. > > Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Mar 21 00:37:27 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:37:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Motors In-Reply-To: <46006EC6.8020206@caribsurf.com> References: <46006EC6.8020206@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <46007037.3090206@yahoo.ca> Hi, It's great! Now I have a source for these found-everywhere(VCRs, CD players, tape decks, etc.) Mabuchi motors! Hey, there are tons of nice parts in there... I wonder what is the pinch roller in my BX-2... (Anyone knows?) Paul Carrington a écrit : > I was looking at the Russell Industries website and came across a > number of Nak motors listed > see > http://russellind.com/client/download/prb_line.pdf > > Regards > Paul From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 21 00:41:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:41:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Motors Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/2007 4:31:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: was looking at the Russell Industries website and came across a number of Nak motors listed see http://russellind.com/client/download/prb_line.pdf Regards Paul We came across these the other day - the question is, does any one of these have the correct shaft for a Sankyo transport reel motor? Dunno the answer yet - if anyone figures it out, I'd like to know. The 2 identified as Nak equivalents are used in Nak CD's I believe. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Ben -----Original Message----- From: kingd at usq.edu.au To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 7.18AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belts and Motors Hi John Are there any belts available in Aus that you can recommend for the ZX-9? I have just purchased a belt kit from Jeff Galin of ESL in the States with no problems. I purchased and replaced all but the idler tyre. Is the ZX-9 as fussy for the OEM belts as some of the other decks? Jeff's belts seemed to do it for me. Thanks for any advice Regards David Hi All I'm away from home at a conference this week, so I don't have a lot of information at my finger tips, but as far as the capstan belt for 480 series, 580 series, 660-680series, ZX-7, 1000ZXL etc is concerned, I have used a generic belt zillions of times with no problems - it is 75 X 0.6 X 5 - this is the part number and also the dimensions in mm - that is diameter 75mm (circumference 75XPI) - thickness 0.6mm - width 5mm. It is readily available in Australia for peanuts from WES Components P/L - also called Wagners. You may need a trade account to buy - I've had one for a long time - you may need a minimum order of $100AUD or so. You may be able to club together to open a trade account. This company also have a wide selection of motors - some used to be identical to various Nak motors, and in some cases new replacement motors for these are listed in their large catalogue. If anyone wants more information, I'll be able to supply more after Friday 24th when I'm back in Brisbane. You could google WES Components and have a browse around in the meantime. Regards John Gipps This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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If it's an idler, it might be turning and making noise against the non-moving hub. Probably unrelated, but I know one of my BX-2 is doing a similar noise when I insert a new tape and press play. It's just that it runs the drive motor a bit to apply tension on the tape, while the rubber "brakes" are still on the hub wheels. Maybe all this is completely unrelated since I think the ZX-7 is not using the Sankyo transport, but it might give you ideas. Is it possible to try the mechanism while it's stripped down(Plates hiding mechanism, etc) and easy to look at with a transparent-cased tape with that deck? John Chapman a écrit : > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads are > still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the noise > stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. > > Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. > > Thanks > > John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 01:03:14 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls In-Reply-To: <022601c76b40$259a59e0$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> Message-ID: <197607.84482.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like the idler tire is getting old. Don't worry about it. >The heads drop down and the noise stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. Wait a minute. The head block should not move when going from rewind to stop. The heads should only move up in play or record. SJ John Chapman wrote: My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads are still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the noise stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. Thanks John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Wed Mar 21 01:15:43 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:15:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls References: Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E0F@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi John and Kimo I've heard that those ZX-7s are a ferocious breed of deck! John, my ZX-9 does exactly the same thing, and believe it or not started doing it about 6 months into its magnificent 23 year life! It does go away though after a couple of tape end arrivals. Kimo, I investigated the mode change cause, but this is actually different to that. This occurs not on a mode change, but only when the tape hits the end stop after RW or FF. When I had mine apart doing the belt changes, I could not actually see what the cause was because it doesn't always do it, but it is certainly not serious. It may be the idler scrubbing on the reel table just as the tape stops???. Calling all experts..... Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wed 3/21/2007 9:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls Is it this? http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% 20Noise > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads > are still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the > noise stops. It only happens on rewind, not FF. > > Any ideas please? have tried lubing everything obvious. > > This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3177 bytes Desc: not available URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Mar 21 01:44:41 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:44:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Auto Azimuth on record In-Reply-To: <197607.84482.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <197607.84482.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46007FF9.9010005@whiteapple.u-net.com> Something I have wondered about concerns the auto azimuth on record function. As I understand it, a 680ZX can adjust its azimuth to suit the tape currently inserted and happily records using that setting. This means that a series of tapes may all have different settings for the azimuth, but with the play back head remaining fixed how is it an advantage to adjust the azimuth just on record? Doug Locke. From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Mar 21 02:18:44 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:18:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Auto Azimuth on record In-Reply-To: <46007FF9.9010005@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <197607.84482.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46007FF9.9010005@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <460087F4.4060300@cox.net> The playback head is the standard of measurement. The record head azimuth is adjusted to match the playback head, so every tape you record on that machine will have correct azimuth as referenced to that playback head. And if your playback head azimuth is set correctly, the tape will sound its best on all decks with a correctly aligned playback head. Tim Doug Locke wrote: > Something I have wondered about concerns the auto azimuth on record > function. As I understand it, a 680ZX can adjust its azimuth to suit > the tape currently inserted and happily records using that setting. > This means that a series of tapes may all have different settings for > the azimuth, but with the play back head remaining fixed how is it an > advantage to adjust the azimuth just on record? > > Doug Locke. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 02:48:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls In-Reply-To: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E0F@babbage.usq.edu.au> Message-ID: <467260.24923.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi David, Yes. As the rubber on the idler wheel gets hard with age, it will tend to slip and make lots of noise. On further ageing, it will also make noise when the deck fast forwards to take up slack when you put a cassette into the deck. No serious issue, but it means a idler tire replacement is in order. Bala David King wrote: Hi John and Kimo I've heard that those ZX-7s are a ferocious breed of deck! John, my ZX-9 does exactly the same thing, and believe it or not started doing it about 6 months into its magnificent 23 year life! It does go away though after a couple of tape end arrivals. Kimo, I investigated the mode change cause, but this is actually different to that. This occurs not on a mode change, but only when the tape hits the end stop after RW or FF. When I had mine apart doing the belt changes, I could not actually see what the cause was because it doesn't always do it, but it is certainly not serious. It may be the idler scrubbing on the reel table just as the tape stops???. Calling all experts..... Regards David -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wed 3/21/2007 9:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 growls Is it this? http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html#Mode%20Change% 20Noise > My ZX7 makes a grrrrh sound for about a second when it hits the > buffers on rewind - sounds like a gear wheel grinding against > something. The tape stops and the noise occurs while the heads > are still in contact with the tape. The heads drop down and the > noise stops. 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QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 21 03:40:34 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 saga over! Message-ID: <20070321024034.93857.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well the ZX7 that I had in the local shop three times (not the one with the growl) has now been fixed by Victor G in Salt Lake City! 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Mar 21 14:23:41 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 9:23:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Wouter made it big time!! Message-ID: <722403.1174483421117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Look at the comments section of this eBay auction? See some familiar names? Congrats to all the stars of Navtalk! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096714714&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 16:08:53 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:08:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] control motor In-Reply-To: <45FB0757.9060502@rcn.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321090853.008a9cd0@earthlink.net> The capstan motor can also be changed, by opening the case, and installing a new motor inside. There are many tricks involved. tom brucker At 04:08 PM 3/16/07 -0500, you wrote: >martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: >> I am in need of 2 control motors for my CR3 and BX125. apparently they >> are identical. As they are no longer manufactured, is it possible to >> obtain generic ones or repair existing ones. I have heard that ESL labs >> in the US and B&W here in europe can repair them but ideally i would >> like to aquire my own for a local repair job; I do not wish to >> scavenger any deck for parts as they may have little life left in them. >> Any ideas? > >IME, unless the commutator is completely gone, control >motors in Sankyo transports respond well to overhauling, >which is a simple procedure. Overhauled motors tend to >last a long time. > >I wish the same could be said for reel motors. I've had >rotten luck with those. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 16:07:20 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:07:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts In-Reply-To: <45FB0338.8010909@rcn.com> References: <45FACB1F.5070702@caribsurf.com> <45FACB1F.5070702@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321090720.0088ab70@earthlink.net> Beware of generic belts that are too tight or thicker than the originals. These substitutions put excess load on the bearings. While the BX 300 is most capable of withstanding higher tensions, flutter does double when you use tight belts. Capstan motor bearings are easily damaged by tight belts. Better to be a bit thinner than oem. Same is true for the reel belts. Cam belts can be of a larger cross section. Always keep your OEM belts as a reference. Tape it in a baggie to the inside or bottom of your deck. tom brucker At 03:51 PM 3/16/07 -0500, you wrote: >Paul Carrington wrote: >> The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB >> usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a >> circumference of 9.2" >> I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was >> too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which >> fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" >> circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the >> deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched >> a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that >> was on the machine. >> Regards >> Paul > >The MCM 42-1990 (NOT 42-1900) is listed ad a 9" belt. >Close enough to the PRB FRM9.2. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 15:49:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:49:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <8C935F3B69A3834-C84-B12C@WEBMAIL-MA09.sysops.aol.com> References: <20070316141304.86690.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321084918.0088ab70@earthlink.net> Headwear is a factor on 700 and 1000 machines, and on the 600. It is less common on a 600II. tom brucker At 11:05 AM 3/16/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Ram, I have recently moved some of my decks and equipment into the gym. Running a couple of miles on the running machine doesn't seem so difficult with the distracting energy of 100 watts behind me! >From my experience of the last 5 years of buying / selling / repairing decks, the recent comments of ensuring that decks are used regularly is very sound advice. I have had more issues with those that have been in storage for XX years than any other. Have never yet seen a nak with a worn out head although I know there are some around. My decks are all used each week for 1 hr as a minimum to keep them machanically and electrically agile. Ben -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 2.13PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { font: 11px arial; border: 1px solid #7DA8D4; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px arial; background: #B5DDFA; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px arial; color: #000000; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a, .AOLImage a { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: none; } .AOLAttachmentHeader a:hover, .AOLImage a:hover { color: #2864B4; text-decoration: underline; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink, .AOLWebSuite .AOLPicturesFullSizeLink { height: 1px; width: 1px; overflow: hidden; } body { background-color: white; font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt; border: 0px; } .AOLWebSuiteCompose p { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } img.managedImg { width: 0px; height: 0px; } img.placeholder { width: 275px; height: 206px; background: #F4F4F4 center center no-repeat; border: 1px solid #DADAD6 !important; } Kannan, Thanks for your good wishes also. I am like Bala interms of usage of my decks. I rotate them three days a week. I play like a half an hour a day for three days all my prime decks either in record or play mode so they are regularly excersiced, although I need the excersice more than these machines off late! Reagrds, Ram kannan srinivasaraghavan <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("kannan_srinivasa%40yahoo.com",>kannan_sriniv asa at yahoo.com> wrote: Well said and I hope your Deck works as described. I also wish you the best of this ZXL to work for a long time. If you continue to use it regularly - it should be fine as many times the Nak stored without use can give a lot of trouble. Kannan shanti ramachandran <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("shantiram2000%40yahoo.com",>shantiram2000 at ya hoo.com> wrote: Thanks Bob, for the good wishes. You are so right about the living once thing! I am in sync. Ram Bob Naylor <<'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("wotbob%40sbcglobal.net",>wotbob at sbcglobal.ne t> wrote: Ram, There's certain things in life that we cannot have to much/many of! We only live once. I'm sure all will be just fine with your new deck! Bob ---------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <'javascript:parent.ComposeTo("Naktalk%40naks.com",>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 16:22:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:22:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In-Reply-To: <59397.64882.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321092211.007a2600@earthlink.net> I can pull a used motor from a nakTalk parts machine, if used is ok. tom brucker At 08:05 AM 3/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Ok, either the DeOxit or you could take the motor apart and have it cleaned out and assembled back. You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is a Mabuchi EG-520ED-3B. Jeff's ideaof buying a parts deck is also good because you also get lots of other important electronic and cosmetic parts that will help you see your deck through many more years of use. I think service is something B & W will charge as will all service centres. You could alternatively check with Tom Brucker who's an ex-Nak service tech for service. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:41:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a CR-3 model, Nakamichi or OEM. Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for action by a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an erratic motor [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well [when it works]. Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any longer & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor fix. You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - the number that starts with 2 letters. Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. In the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. Any of the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are compatible if not identical. Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/>Yahoo! Toolbar.========---------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 17:00:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:00:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Starting 2 new endeavours In-Reply-To: <002701c76924$53f39540$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> References: <200703171749.l2HHnist021730@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321100051.00886b00@earthlink.net> Soumi, The #1 thing is to replace the pc board ground screw to the rear panel with a copper plated type, and solder it to the board! tom brucker At 11:41 AM 3/18/07 +0530, you wrote: >Hi All >I am about to start a new project .. ie. souping up my MR2 according to >Stephen Sank's recommendations. >I will be changing the op-amps and capacitors etc. >You might say this is a fruitless endeavour .. with a 2 head Nak .. but its >still a good machine .. and if sold now, a new machine would have been out >of my budget. >So please wish me luck and be ready for any help that I may need :) > >Best >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 16:55:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:55:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <45FC5959.3010700@marrscommunications.com> References: <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> <45FBF991.4040103@marrscommunications.com> <45FC0C3B.7070401@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321095534.0087f510@earthlink.net> Let's all work to get as close as we can to restoring our Nakamichis. Any effort to bring new supplies of parts, test equipment, service literature, jigs and gauges is wlecome. There is thankfully, enough to "go around" for all those sellers who take the time to do the legwork to bring this stuff to NakTalk. In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. If Fred has found an overseas OEM belt maker that is a huge benefit to all of us. Perhaps Fred, like Dean, might place a non-eBay link in the Naktalk community for ordering rubber at some bulk discount. It does take a bit of time for anyone entering Naktalk to earn trust. Any resource of information can be exploited. Please try and follow the Golden Rule. Contribute and you will be rewarded! tom brucker At 04:10 PM 3/17/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim, >Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? > >And Jeff, >I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to >think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I am >paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold in >this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly >Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin >of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that will >bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of belts. >I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to ANYONE in >the United States right now. If I find out the quality is not there (I >currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what I suspect, we >can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I have no interest >or the time to go back and forth with you because you THINK you know >what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring something we can >all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, confirm a POSSIBLE >original replacement. This is the only response you will get from me >concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred >To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have >been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest >you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the >truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO >interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this for >myself. Thanks, Fred > > > >Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the >> Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up >> with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter >> continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >>> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >>> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts >>> I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in >>> the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are >>> manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in >>> my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information >>> and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is >>> incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the >>> mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have >>> come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me >>> from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete >>> sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original >>> equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I >>> suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. >>> supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been >>> supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some >>> cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section >>> (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be >>> able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the >>> ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT >>> replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan >>> belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >>> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 21 16:56:03 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re BX300 Belts In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070321090720.0088ab70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070321155603.18533.qmail@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, That happened to me. The local shop that [did not] fix my ZX7 had a belt that was too tight and Victor G said the wow & flutter was out of sight! Bob Hi Tech wrote: Beware of generic belts that are too tight or thicker than the originals. These substitutions put excess load on the bearings. While the BX 300 is most capable of withstanding higher tensions, flutter does double when you use tight belts. Capstan motor bearings are easily damaged by tight belts. Better to be a bit thinner than oem. Same is true for the reel belts. Cam belts can be of a larger cross section. Always keep your OEM belts as a reference. Tape it in a baggie to the inside or bottom of your deck. tom brucker At 03:51 PM 3/16/07 -0500, you wrote: >Paul Carrington wrote: >> The 42-1900 is listed by MCM as 5.1" inner circumference. The PRB >> usually recommended for the capstan of the BX300 is FRM9.2 which has a >> circumference of 9.2" >> I am puzzled by this discrepancy. I received a belt from Dean which was >> too small and I sent it back. Chris had a BX300 replacement belt which >> fhe bought on e-bay; He kindly sent it to me and this measured 6.75" >> circumference, which I felt was too small. . The one that came off the >> deck measures 8.75" and one would expect that this might have stretched >> a bit! It does appear that the PRB FRM9.2 is closest to the one that >> was on the machine. >> Regards >> Paul > >The MCM 42-1990 (NOT 42-1900) is listed ad a 9" belt. >Close enough to the PRB FRM9.2. > >-- Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 17:21:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:21:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] UNBRANDED:AM2133 at CPC In-Reply-To: <00be01c76a28$5d3c2f90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321102118.00886b20@earthlink.net> Here's one trick for you reell motor searchers. Inside every regulated Mabuchi motor is an unregulated motor mounted in rubber. You have to remove the motor, remove the rear cover (tricky) , desolder the pc board noting the polarity,; then open the bad reel motor, remove the motor, remove the pulley (tricky), install the new motor and pulley, resolder and mount. I post this for the benefit of our overseas NakTalkers . I have sketched the outline because i do not consider this a DIY job, but I also do not want to dishearten those of us with bad motors and no supply . If you feel up to the task, be careful and thoughtful and the process will go ok. tom brucker At 01:13 PM 3/19/07 -0000, you wrote: >>>> http://c pc.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=AS00096 Jeff Drew a blank so far on my Mabuchi searches in the UK but guy did give me another site to look at, see above. Sure enough there were Mabuchi motors there but all were 'nla'. Found the one, link shown, with similar dimensions, shorter shaft than ideal [9.5mm vs 15mm] but only 9V so given its continuous use I guess it wouldn't be up to the job without other electrical mods [of some sort]. Will keep looking & hoping for more luck here or elsewhere ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 17:18:08 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070321095534.0087f510@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <623056.35997.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well said Tom. Any effort to help someone else's Nak will one day come back to help that person himself. Bala Hi Tech wrote: Let's all work to get as close as we can to restoring our Nakamichis. Any effort to bring new supplies of parts, test equipment, service literature, jigs and gauges is wlecome. There is thankfully, enough to "go around" for all those sellers who take the time to do the legwork to bring this stuff to NakTalk. In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. If Fred has found an overseas OEM belt maker that is a huge benefit to all of us. Perhaps Fred, like Dean, might place a non-eBay link in the Naktalk community for ordering rubber at some bulk discount. It does take a bit of time for anyone entering Naktalk to earn trust. Any resource of information can be exploited. Please try and follow the Golden Rule. Contribute and you will be rewarded! tom brucker At 04:10 PM 3/17/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim, >Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? > >And Jeff, >I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to >think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I am >paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold in >this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly >Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin >of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that will >bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of belts. >I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to ANYONE in >the United States right now. If I find out the quality is not there (I >currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what I suspect, we >can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I have no interest >or the time to go back and forth with you because you THINK you know >what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring something we can >all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, confirm a POSSIBLE >original replacement. This is the only response you will get from me >concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred >To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have >been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest >you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the >truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO >interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this for >myself. Thanks, Fred > > > >Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the >> Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up >> with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter >> continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >>> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >>> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts >>> I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in >>> the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are >>> manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in >>> my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information >>> and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is >>> incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the >>> mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have >>> come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me >>> from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete >>> sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original >>> equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I >>> suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. >>> supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been >>> supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some >>> cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section >>> (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be >>> able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the >>> ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT >>> replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan >>> belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >>> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 21 17:34:16 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:34:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. Hey Tom, Does that mean you found a source that will make belts to the C8096 dimensions (we'll leave alone rubber vs neoprene, etc, for the moment) for a minimum order of 100 belts? Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 17:41:35 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 680 / ZX9 In-Reply-To: <623056.35997.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363586.15501.qm@web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> here here Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Well said Tom. Any effort to help someone else's Nak will one day come back to help that person himself. Bala Hi Tech wrote: Let's all work to get as close as we can to restoring our Nakamichis. Any effort to bring new supplies of parts, test equipment, service literature, jigs and gauges is wlecome. There is thankfully, enough to "go around" for all those sellers who take the time to do the legwork to bring this stuff to NakTalk. In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. If Fred has found an overseas OEM belt maker that is a huge benefit to all of us. Perhaps Fred, like Dean, might place a non-eBay link in the Naktalk community for ordering rubber at some bulk discount. It does take a bit of time for anyone entering Naktalk to earn trust. Any resource of information can be exploited. Please try and follow the Golden Rule. Contribute and you will be rewarded! tom brucker At 04:10 PM 3/17/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim, >Which machine was the 8096 belt suppose to fit ? > >And Jeff, >I know we had contact in the past on eBay. Why is it that you seem to >think you know what I am paying for my belts? For your information, I am >paying too much, for product I believe, is currently not being sold in >this country, from a source that was once a OEM supplier. Possibly >Nakamichi ! That will change, IF I confirm my belief about the origin >of the belts. Once / if confirmed, I will order in quantities that will >bring the cost down. No one is trying to get $35 for $2 worth of belts. >I am only trying to provide what is currently not available to ANYONE in >the United States right now. If I find out the quality is not there (I >currently have no complaints), or the origin is not what I suspect, we >can all go back to square one. As for your attitude, I have no interest >or the time to go back and forth with you because you THINK you know >what I am all about! If your not interested in scoring something we can >all use, step aside and let anyone who wants to, confirm a POSSIBLE >original replacement. This is the only response you will get from me >concerning your wise ass remarks. Fred >To the rest of the group, I am sorry about this post to Jeff. I have >been listening to his "stuff" on eBay and do not want to bore the rest >you with this crap on NakTalk. If anyone is interested in finding the >truth about what I believe is true, just let me know. If there is NO >interest, I will drop the project because it is pointless to do this for >myself. Thanks, Fred > > > >Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> I guess I don't understand what you mean " bring this over to the >> Nakguages group? One thing, I obviously do not know how to keep up >> with all threads. Is it just me or does the subject matter >> continuously change on a thread? What am I doing wrong? Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am the new guy on the block selling Nak belts on eBay. My name is >>> Fred and I am in Texas. I just read Tom's post about original belts >>> for the 680 series machines. At this point, I truly believe the belts >>> I am selling are of a different variety from anything available in >>> the U.S.A. before. Just to be clear, I am not saying my belts are >>> manufactured "off shore". To get right to the point, as mentioned in >>> my listings on eBay, I am using old Nakamichi PRODUCTION information >>> and old interchange information from several manufactures, that is >>> incomplete or just wrong. I think I have discovered all of the >>> mistakes BUT would love to confirm the application information I have >>> come up with. I am aware the members of this group do not know me >>> from atom, but if we were to do a group effort and round up complete >>> sets for these machines, I think I can provide the original >>> equivalence for all of the Nak transports. I might be wrong but I >>> suspect ( have no proof), the manufacturer I am using was a O.E.M. >>> supplier to many deck manufactures. To play it safe, I have been >>> supplying only .030" thick wall belts for capstans, which in some >>> cases forces me to provide a belt with a smaller cross section >>> (face). I have had NO complaints to this point, but would like to be >>> able to provide identical Nakamichi replacements. With samples of the >>> ORIGINAL Nakamichi branded belts, I truly believe I can provide EXACT >>> replacements which I am now doing with everything except capstan >>> belts. All I need is a group effort. Thanks for listening, Fred >>> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 21 17:50:14 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:50:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor References: <3.0.3.32.20070321092211.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016201c76bd8$ffbe0660$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Tom Deoxit, as Jeff's advice, has done the job but not as fully as I had hoped as of yesterday. Today it was playing up again so I have repeated the treatment in the hope !! I would welcome any CR-3 reel motor at this moment albeit used but have to bear in mind that it might be similarly affected once in use so it would hinge on cost involved to buy it & ship it to the UK. Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor >I can pull a used motor from a nakTalk parts machine, if used is ok. > > tom brucker > > At 08:05 AM 3/17/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> > Ok, either the DeOxit or you could take the motor apart and have it > cleaned > out and assembled back. You could buy the motor off-shelf, it is a Mabuchi > EG-520ED-3B. Jeff's ideaof buying a parts deck is also good because you > also get lots of other important electronic and cosmetic parts that will > help you see your deck through many more years of use. I think service is > something B & W will charge as will all service centres. You could > alternatively check with Tom Brucker who's an ex-Nak service tech for > service. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Bansijeff at aol.com" > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:41:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-3 Reel motor > > > In a message dated 3/17/2007 2:13:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: > Can anyone advise for a [web] source of a [new] reel motor for a CR-3 > model, Nakamichi or OEM. > Alternatively is there a way to renovate the existing motor for action by > a 'layman'. Deck exhibits the classic problem with an erratic motor > [intermittent stopping with tape not taken to spool]. > Otherwise deck is in very good order for its age & plays really well [when > it works]. > Have already tried UK service agents but they don't sell parts any longer > & I cannot currently afford a full service [around £170]. > I assume you've already tried the DeOxIt through the slots in the motor > fix. > You can do a Google search for the Mabuchi part number on the motor - the > number that starts with 2 letters. > Alternately, you can buy a CR-1 on eBay and swap out the reel motors. In > the US, they're selling for as little as $10 plus shipping on eBay. Any > of > the cheap BX decks will do as well, since the reel motors are compatible > if > not identical. > Jeff > > > > > ---------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Your new message! > Get > tures/mail/> new email alerts with the free < > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat > ures/mail/>Yahoo! > Toolbar.========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > 21/03/2007 07:52 > From flifton at mac.com Wed Mar 21 20:41:15 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:41:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a In-Reply-To: <200703211619.l2LGJVoG028570@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703211619.l2LGJVoG028570@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <197D3028-9EB8-40F1-89A4-25E7CA4CBDB1@mac.com> Hi Nakkers, I have a CR-3 that has developed a problem. When playing a tape from the beginning (i.e. rewound all the way), the deck seems to strain to turn the take up reel. It engages for second and then stops, as if at the end of the tape. If I FF into the middle of the tape, it plays just fine. I've tried different tapes, but it makes no difference. FF and REW are strong and robust. Any thoughts o wise Nak brain trust? best, Fred (the one in Portland) PS Welcome to the new Fred! From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 21:07:35 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a In-Reply-To: <197D3028-9EB8-40F1-89A4-25E7CA4CBDB1@mac.com> Message-ID: <96832.56013.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> CR3A playback reel drive torque can be increased using a preset inside- next to the LBA XXXX IC ( actual IC number is not right on top of my head ) You have to use a Volt meter (DC scale ) to check the voltage across the motor. If the voltage is not rising above 2 to 3 V when you try the tape playing from the beginning, turn this preset to increase the torque. If the voltage reaches above 4.5 V and then the motor still stops - then the motor needs replacement. If you can even look at Cassette Deck 1 service manual - similar motor drive IC is used! kannan Fred Lifton wrote: Hi Nakkers, I have a CR-3 that has developed a problem. When playing a tape from the beginning (i.e. rewound all the way), the deck seems to strain to turn the take up reel. It engages for second and then stops, as if at the end of the tape. If I FF into the middle of the tape, it plays just fine. I've tried different tapes, but it makes no difference. FF and REW are strong and robust. Any thoughts o wise Nak brain trust? best, Fred (the one in Portland) PS Welcome to the new Fred! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Wed Mar 21 21:26:03 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:26:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Auto Azimuth on record In-Reply-To: <460087F4.4060300@cox.net> References: <197607.84482.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46007FF9.9010005@whiteapple.u-net.com> <460087F4.4060300@cox.net> Message-ID: <460194DB.20204@whiteapple.u-net.com> Cheers Tim. Tim Barrett wrote: > The playback head is the standard of measurement. The record head > azimuth is adjusted to match the playback head, so every tape you > record on that machine will have correct azimuth as referenced to that > playback head. And if your playback head azimuth is set correctly, > the tape will sound its best on all decks with a correctly aligned > playback head. > > Tim > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 21 21:36:26 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:36:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a References: <200703211619.l2LGJVoG028570@zxe.naks.com> <197D3028-9EB8-40F1-89A4-25E7CA4CBDB1@mac.com> Message-ID: <01ca01c76bf8$990c9ab0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Fred It could well be the same reel motor fault that I posted, now semi fixed. The reel motors on this deck develop a fault over time largely though non use & the application of Deoxit through the slots on the reel motor rear housing does seem to help reverse this [? by neutralising the oxidation built up that is limiting its functions ? Anyway on the advice of several Nakkers I have used this with some success & it could work 4 U 2 perhaps. First remove the top cover [device disconnected] by removing 5 phillips head screw on side/top back & slide off the cover. The reel motor is the middle of the 3 in the transport mechanism. Slots are very narrow but Deocit can be applied 'sparsely', following directions on the can, to the two slots with the deck on its front to allow the spray to penetrate. Wait a few minutes after application to let it dry & then try it again. If U are lucky it may have worked 4 U. You can repeat the process a number of times without prejudice [as I have]. You can download the CR3 manual from 'www.ebaman.com' to assist U if you register there. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a > Hi Nakkers, > I have a CR-3 that has developed a problem. When playing a tape from the > beginning (i.e. rewound all the way), the deck seems to strain to turn > the take up reel. It engages for second and then stops, as if at the end > of the tape. If I FF into the middle of the tape, it plays just fine. > I've tried different tapes, but it makes no difference. FF and REW are > strong and robust. > > Any thoughts o wise Nak brain trust? > > best, > Fred (the one in Portland) > > PS Welcome to the new Fred! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > 21/03/2007 07:52 > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 21 21:43:33 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:43:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Wouter made it big time!! In-Reply-To: <722403.1174483421117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> References: <722403.1174483421117.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Message-ID: <460198F5.40801@xs4all.nl> It's Scott's remote, he's selling it on ebay now. BTW, I own 2 of these right now and they're great. Use them with a $3 universal remote i got right here from the 'Dirk' super one time. Wouter Roland wrote: > Look at the comments section of this eBay auction? > > See some familiar names? > > Congrats to all the stars of Navtalk! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096714714&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 21:11:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:11:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Luxman Nakamichi? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321141134.0087ad70@earthlink.net> David, On your 550: do not store batteries for long periods of time in the deck. If they leak it makes a tremendous mess. Also, almost all of the black shoulder washers have cracked. Some professional audio catalogs have "shoulder washers" for rack mounts that will work as substitutes. tom brucker At 09:09 AM 3/20/07 +1000, you wrote: >How do you like this guy listing a Luxman deck on Aus ebay as: >Item: LUXMAN K-351 K351 Tape Deck Nakamichi Vintage HIFI rare (120098858921) > >When I asked him what Nakamichi had to do with it he replied: > >"hi, I had both, and will be listing my Nak deck also the luxman deck is >very comp to anyone wanting a nak, thanks" > >I have just won a Nak 550 on ebay. It is supposed to play and record well, >so here's hoping it is a good one. > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 21:14:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:14:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: <45FF3878.9000009@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321141440.0087b4c0@earthlink.net> I think all the black belts are neoprene. Some very early white round belts were used for counters in the 700 and 1000. those were rubber. Subs are ok. tom brucker At 09:27 PM 3/19/07 -0400, you wrote: >Some weeks ago I asked B&W if they had belts for the BX300 and they >replied affirmatively and said the kit would be the equivalent of US$37 >including delivery..... >"equivalent belts" can be bought from MCM for a fraction of that price >(even allowing for their >high delivery charge) but a genuine Nak belt would obviously be much >pricier. >The square belts (SC series) cross section is related to the last letter: >A.065-.079 >B.080-.095 >Y.035-.039 >X .040-.049 >Q .050-.064 >so Jeff's change from Q to A increased his cross section from .050-.064 >to .065-.079..... >Were the original belts rubber? These replacements might be neoprene >which is somewhat >tougher! (ie less elastic!) > >Regards >Paul > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 23:59:04 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:59:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 In-Reply-To: <491dedb60703192224k7d8446c9m1ea0373fae7e68bf@mail.gmail.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321165904.00886ea0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1444 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 23:47:41 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:47:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: belts attention Soumi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321164741.0087d6b0@earthlink.net> No, but we are trying to weigh costs and benefits. PRB has significantly raised their prices on their belts, which they seem to make in rather short runs. I am basing the cost on double what their belts are costing me today, and trying to determine if there will be a significant mold set up fee for copying the C8096. I am trying to find a "Pioneer Rubber" in Korea, an OEM supplier of the SBS type belts. There is a "Pioneer Rubber" in Singapore, but I think it is a different company. Soumi-can you check them out? Perhaps they have a consumer electronics factory in Korea? tom brucker At 12:34 PM 3/21/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. Hey Tom, Does that mean you found a source that will make belts to the C8096 dimensions (we'll leave alone rubber vs neoprene, etc, for the moment) for a minimum order of 100 belts? Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 22 00:04:18 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:04:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nak In-Reply-To: <000001c76ada$70ca9d50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321170418.0087f100@earthlink.net> This is a newer model than I've seen. The first 2 Nak Mobile generations were produced by Lee Adams, who I worked with, and who later went on to found Soundstream. The later Naks appear to be as good as, and share parts with Yamaha and Denon car stereos. If you want an incredible vintage system, find a PA300 nakamichi amp on ebay (what a great piece) and a set of SP300 (ADS 300 copies). ADS 320i , Boston Acoustics, Infinity, and B & W also made good 3 piece car speakers. These speakers had extended highs without peakiness or ringing. tom brucker At 10:28 AM 3/20/07 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Does anybody no anything about the NAKAMICHI RD-601 Car Tuner Cassette Deck It is on Ebay, Item number: 320092641006, and would consider it for my small camper van if it can be recommended. If so what speakers and amp would be best suited? Shaun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 21 23:10:29 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:10:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: belts attention Soumi Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 3:06:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: PRB has significantly raised their prices on their belts, which they seem to make in rather short runs. I am basing the cost on double what their belts are costing me today, and trying to determine if there will be a significant mold set up fee for copying the C8096. Hi Tom, I have been able to find the FRM9.2 on line for as little as $3, which is what I guess what you are paying. That's a pretty good price I think, and less than half the cost of the same belt from my local parts store, 20 minutes, and God knows how much gas, away. That's always the fall-back, for many decks. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Mar 21 23:13:07 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:13:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Belts In-Reply-To: <200703172245.l2HMjrnW026392@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703172245.l2HMjrnW026392@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff Do you have any news about the SCM belts? I havent been able to locate the SCM supplier via google but in the search for it I found www.turntableneedles.com who supply belts for various Naks including classics including the 680 series ...see www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=10112 My MCM and Bob Toepher orders havent arrived yet ..... where does one get the PRB stock from? Peace ian r scotland wrote I tried it on a 480 with good results, but I don't have a T-100 to measure the wow-and-flutter. I would say it's the best I've been able to find so far, except for the original. It was definitely way better than the PRB FRM9.2 which works fine on a BX-300, MR-1 or CR-4, but is too thick for the classic decks. Or the MCM belts which are also good on the direct-drive decks and are very, very, cheap. But the PRB and MCM belts had wow-and-flutter on the 480 which was slightly audible to my ear. My ear is very sensitive to that issue, which is why I tend to prefer the direct-drive decks. I have an order in to a place called SCM in Massachusetts for a couple of possible belts and should receive them next week. They have higher prices than MCM, but lower shipping costs. You can check out their site. I noticed they also have the classic idler tire. I'll let you know what happens. Jeff And Jeff also wrote: Just in case anybody's looking for generic classic transport belts, the best ones I have ever found were from a guy named Bob Toepfer at www.vintage-electronics.net His are slightly wider than the original, but in every other way resemble the thin Nak classic belt. They're way ahead of any other substitute classic belt I've ever seen, and his prices are very reasonable. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 22 00:18:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:18:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: belts attention BALA correction! Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321171805.007a9410@earthlink.net> No, but we are trying to weigh costs and benefits. PRB has significantly raised their prices on their belts, which they seem to make in rather short runs. I am basing the cost on double what their belts are costing me today, and trying to determine if there will be a significant mold set up fee for copying the C8096. I am trying to find a "Pioneer Rubber" in Korea, an OEM supplier of the SBS type belts. There is a "Pioneer Rubber" in Singapore, but I think it is a different company. BALA-can you check them out? Perhaps they have a consumer electronics factory in Korea? tom brucker At 12:34 PM 3/21/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: In the research I've done to date on the C8096 belt, COST would be a minimum of $6 each on an order of 100. Hey Tom, Does that mean you found a source that will make belts to the C8096 dimensions (we'll leave alone rubber vs neoprene, etc, for the moment) for a minimum order of 100 belts? Jeff ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 21 23:31:40 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:31:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Belts Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 3:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, earthrite at gn.apc.org writes: Hi Jeff Do you have any news about the SCM belts? I havent been able to locate the SCM supplier via google but in the search for it I found www.turntableneedles.com who supply belts for various Naks including classics including the 680 series ...see www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=10112 My MCM and Bob Toepher orders havent arrived yet ..... where does one get the PRB stock from? Peace ian r scotland Hi Ian, I am actually expecting my order from SMC today. Sorry I wrote SCM before. I'll let you know what happens with that. _http://smcelectronics.com/index.shtml_ (http://smcelectronics.com/index.shtml) I would beware of that _www.turntableneedles.com/_ (http://www.turntableneedles.com/) They're selling a 4.2 belt as the cam belt for those Naks listed - the correct cam belt is the SCQ4.8 or the one I got as an alternate from Bob Toepfer, the SCA5.0, which is slightly longer and wider and sits very nicely in the pulley. I'm really pretty sure of this. I got a warning from Jeff Galin about using belts which are too short, as they can damage the bearings, and 4.2 is way too short. Bob's URL is _http://www.vintage-electronics.net/_ (http://www.vintage-electronics.net/) I'm going to have someone do a "Consumer Reports" on different generic BX-300 belts, and I'll post the report when it's done. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 21 23:58:37 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:58:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RE: Belts #2 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 3:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, earthrite at gn.apc.org writes: Do you have any news about the SCM belts? I havent been able to locate the SCM supplier via google but in the search for it I found OK, I just went to the mail box and the order was there. So, from this supplier _http://smcelectronics.com/index.shtml_ (http://smcelectronics.com/index.shtml) you can get Pfantone belts made by Pfanstiehl of Waukegan IL 60085. They offer an equivalent belt to the FRM9.2. It is designated Pfantone flat belt 55419, ic 9.2 - th .031 - w .210 These cost me $3 each plus a very reasonable shipping charge. The SMC part number is VCRBLT55419 I also got from them a no-name classic transport idler tire which I believe is virtually identical to the one being sold by Dean on eBay and Adam Liberman here in the SF Bay Area. It is designated SMC part number VCRIT32 and costs $0 .85 each. I think Dean and Liberman are using the MCM 32-710, BTW. Theirs is also called the RCA Assemby #150650 and is also used by Hitachi. I also bought a generic 9.0 belt from them, but I got the last one of those and it isn't in a branded package so I don't know anything about it and can't give you any info on it. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 22 00:08:04 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:08:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nak In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070321170418.0087f100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c76c0d$c8e7fd50$7300a8c0@Shaun> Thanks for that Tom. I will keep a look out for those. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Hi Tech Sent: 21 March 2007 23:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mobile Nak This is a newer model than I've seen. The first 2 Nak Mobile generations were produced by Lee Adams, who I worked with, and who later went on to found Soundstream. The later Naks appear to be as good as, and share parts with Yamaha and Denon car stereos. If you want an incredible vintage system, find a PA300 nakamichi amp on ebay (what a great piece) and a set of SP300 (ADS 300 copies). ADS 320i , Boston Acoustics, Infinity, and B & W also made good 3 piece car speakers. These speakers had extended highs without peakiness or ringing. tom brucker At 10:28 AM 3/20/07 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Does anybody no anything about the NAKAMICHI RD-601 Car Tuner Cassette Deck It is on Ebay, Item number: 320092641006, and would consider it for my small camper van if it can be recommended. If so what speakers and amp would be best suited? Shaun From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Thu Mar 22 00:58:51 2007 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:58:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 now purrs! Message-ID: <028801c76c14$e3043d00$b1849ed9@f9w2m0> Dog-gone! I duly followed various advice. Feeling somewhat tired and emotional, could not hack taking out the mech, so got a drop of oil onto one end of the cam drive gear shaft. Still growling. I then got a tooth brush and gently brushed away at the idler and cleaned off the idler and reels with isoproponol, removing excess quickly with tissue. Name of a name! sweet as a nut. But then noticed on FF terrible screeching towards the end of the tape, so put a drop of silicon grease onto the reel table bearings and its now superbly quiet. I also got some Servisol switch cleaner into the motor (De-Oxit where you come from?) while I was at it, as this did wonders for my sticky switching off BX300. Clearly, the idler tyre is hardening and will need replacing sooner or later but that looks a tricky job. Thanks again boys! I now have two Naks in superb nick. (For now) One thing. The ZX-7 capstan motor looks Micky Mouse compared to the massive job and flywheel in the BX300. I guess it was just asking for the ZX-9 upgrade. What happened to the ZX-8? Cheers John Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 01:09:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a Message-ID: <208627.58650.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, Here's an important step with the DeOxit. After applying the first squirts, move the motor, and then apply again. You could do this by turning on the deck, and hitting play (since that causes the motor to travel much further then the other modes). Hit Stop, power down the deck and apply the other half of the DeOxit treatment. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: "ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:36:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a Fred It could well be the same reel motor fault that I posted, now semi fixed. The reel motors on this deck develop a fault over time largely though non use & the application of Deoxit through the slots on the reel motor rear housing does seem to help reverse this [? by neutralising the oxidation built up that is limiting its functions ? Anyway on the advice of several Nakkers I have used this with some success & it could work 4 U 2 perhaps. First remove the top cover [device disconnected] by removing 5 phillips head screw on side/top back & slide off the cover. The reel motor is the middle of the 3 in the transport mechanism. Slots are very narrow but Deocit can be applied 'sparsely', following directions on the can, to the two slots with the deck on its front to allow the spray to penetrate. Wait a few minutes after application to let it dry & then try it again. If U are lucky it may have worked 4 U. You can repeat the process a number of times without prejudice [as I have]. You can download the CR3 manual from 'www.ebaman.com' to assist U if you register there. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Lifton" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Weak CR-3a > Hi Nakkers, > I have a CR-3 that has developed a problem. When playing a tape from the > beginning (i.e. rewound all the way), the deck seems to strain to turn > the take up reel. It engages for second and then stops, as if at the end > of the tape. If I FF into the middle of the tape, it plays just fine. > I've tried different tapes, but it makes no difference. FF and REW are > strong and robust. > > Any thoughts o wise Nak brain trust? > > best, > Fred (the one in Portland) > > PS Welcome to the new Fred! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: > 21/03/2007 07:52 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 02:27:48 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mobile Nak In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070321170418.0087f100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <707119.54635.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree, the PA-300 is an incredible car amp. Quiet as anything you can buy for the home and excellent sound. The SP-300 speaker is basically a plate version of the SP-10 tweeter, SP-50 midrange with PC-100 passive crossover. Fantastic speakers, but, the surround on the SP-50 and SP-300 midranges are foam and for me only lasted a few years before it rotted away. I probably could have repaired it, but, at the time it was easier to buy a pyle midrange from the store. The sound in that car was never as good as with the TD-500, PA-300, SP-10, SP-50 and SP-80 (passively crossed over). I changed over to Soundstream D-60, D-100 and D-200 with their 3-way active crossover and changed out the pair of SP-80's with a Nak SP-1010 10" woofer, but, the all Nak system sounded better. I wasn't rich or anything. I was a poor college student. The TD-500 I did buy new, but, all the Nak speakers came from Nak's dumpster, even the PA-300 was found in the dumpster. The PA-300 was broken when I found it, but, was easily repaired. The passive crossover was homemade based on the Nak PC-100 crossover. The SP-10's were repaired by me, the SP-50's, SP-80's and SP-1010 were repaired by a friend. The Soundstream equipment was all purchased 2nd hand, non-working for a song and I repaired them. I used to buy Rockford Fosgate (crap) amps that people had blown and repair them then resell them. Made some decent money. It was a lot of fun. The ADS320i's were supposedly good speakers at the time, but, I didn't like them too much. The sound was not as clear as the Nak SP-10/SP-50's. Alpine has a pair of separates that I think sounded as good as the Nak's, but, can't remember the model number. This is going back to he late 80's. Speakers today have gotten a lot better for the same price. I haven't kept up in the car audio market. Too much of the car audio market is targeting sectors of the population that I would rather not be associated with so I will just go my memories of the good ole days. SJ Hi Tech wrote: This is a newer model than I've seen. The first 2 Nak Mobile generations were produced by Lee Adams, who I worked with, and who later went on to found Soundstream. The later Naks appear to be as good as, and share parts with Yamaha and Denon car stereos. If you want an incredible vintage system, find a PA300 nakamichi amp on ebay (what a great piece) and a set of SP300 (ADS 300 copies). ADS 320i , Boston Acoustics, Infinity, and B & W also made good 3 piece car speakers. These speakers had extended highs without peakiness or ringing. tom brucker At 10:28 AM 3/20/07 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Does anybody no anything about the NAKAMICHI RD-601 Car Tuner Cassette Deck It is on Ebay, Item number: 320092641006, and would consider it for my small camper van if it can be recommended. If so what speakers and amp would be best suited? Shaun ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From flifton at mac.com Thu Mar 22 03:54:14 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:54:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I love my Nak (next in a continuing series) In-Reply-To: <200703212037.l2LKbeCg000733@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703212037.l2LKbeCg000733@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <374F6F05-5D66-44A1-9760-20D4552D5259@mac.com> Tonight, I dragged myself into my office. Another long night of web- work on top of an eight-hour workday loomed. Time to exercise the Naks. I put an old tape in my ZX-7, recorded years ago from a CD of Dire Straits' live release, "Alchemy." I sit at my desk. At first I'm not really conscious of a sound, rather I gradually become aware of a sense of space. I'm in a big auditorium, like the concerts from the glory days of the late seventies and early eighties, when stadium rock shows were a new sensation. Then I hear popping stage pyrotechnics and a high, thin synth note descending slowly. I think to myself, "man, they just don't start shows with all this over-the-top production anymore." The audience roars. Next thing I know, I've been sitting at my desk for 20 minutes, completely unproductive. I've been somewhere and some-when else. Time traveling thanks to some talented japanese engineers I'll never meet. Nonetheless, they have my undying gratitude. You guys know how it is. cheers, Fred From tomas at tlec.se Thu Mar 22 09:17:45 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:17:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Upload problems at ebaman solved Message-ID: Finaly, it seems like the upload problems I have experienced is solved. I have tested the upload-system with a 600 MB file and it seems to work ok. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com http://www.ktl.mine.nu http://www.naks.mine.nu Excellent and cheap hosting, use http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust23962 Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 22 09:51:36 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:51:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Mabuchi 500AD2F motor Message-ID: <005701c76c5f$4c9b5650$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> At current rates around £4.60 [or $9.01 to you] plus shipping. Jeff & Tom - Are we sure that this is the one & I didn't know if there was a Naktalk 'buying agency' that might intercede [for volume purchase reasons]. If not I will proceed on my own & enquire re shipping from Oz to UK for 2 units but thought I would check it out first. ----- Original Message ----- From: shop To: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Cc: Jimmy Tang Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: RE: Mabuchi 500AD2F motor Dear Sir, Mabuchi EG500AD2F MOTOR = in stock, AUD11.25 (1-9), retail price AUD10.00 (10+) + freight Regards, Julian Grodzicky Wagner Electronic Services 131 Liverpool Rd ASHFIELD NSW 2131 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 9798 9233 Fax: +61 2 9798 0017 sales at wagner.net.au www.wagner.net.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com [mailto:ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:01 AM To: enquiries at wagner.net.au Subject: Mabuchi 500AD2F motor Can U advise availability & price for either of - Mabuchi motors 500AD2F or predecessor 510ED2F including minimum qtys supplied & shipment to the United Kingdom Thanks Dave Bowley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: 21/03/2007 07:52 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Mar 22 15:24:17 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:24:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: belts References: Message-ID: <01db01c76c8d$c64a86f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi jeff Have now also changed the tension belt as U suggested but still getting intermittent stopping [now gets about half through an SA C90 b4 it starts playing up] despite several applics of Deoxit now. Will persist BUT have also now 'measured' the CR reel motor shaft [approx] & agree with earlier comment by Kannan that the shaft, which is slightly recessed into the primary gear, is approx 15mm so 9.5mm [as on the 500AD series etc] would therefore probably be too short for replacement use ? TOM Thanks for ur offfer yesterday & I would welcome any CR-3 reel motor at this moment, used or not, but have to bear in mind that as it might be similarly affected once in use so it would hinge on what are the costs involved to buy it & ship it to the UK. Pls update me when U can Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Re: belts In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:34:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: No, didn't change the back tension belt [yet] as when I looked at it the other day, having removed the front plate, it looked to be in good condition & wasn't part of my then problem with stopping. I assumed it was there just for fast fwd/rwd so left it alone for another time. Would it have any other impact in your view ? Could be the cause of intermittent stopping - that's exactly what was wrong with my gear-idler BX-300. Drove me nuts until I figured it out. The Italian guys included one with my CR-3 kit, so I assume you've got one. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: 21/03/2007 07:52 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 15:33:15 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ampex 472 cassettes Message-ID: <518b7b10703220733l30a7a52y1042f78f526646a4@mail.gmail.com> Are these the predecessors of the current Quantegy 472 tapes, which were highly recommended by Kermit and other list members ? Would they be worth buying ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nine-SEALED-Ampex-472-C-60-Studio-Grade-Cassettes_W0QQitemZ270100207052QQcategoryZ15199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270100207052 George From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 15:40:03 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ampex 472 cassettes Message-ID: <302422.41408.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi George, Yes they were. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: george valkov To: Naktalk Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:33:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] Ampex 472 cassettes Are these the predecessors of the current Quantegy 472 tapes, which were highly recommended by Kermit and other list members ? Would they be worth buying ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nine-SEALED-Ampex-472-C-60-Studio-Grade-Cassettes_W0QQitemZ270100207052QQcategoryZ15199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270100207052 George ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daves at intergate.com Fri Mar 23 02:52:49 2007 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:52:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <027e01c76ced$f6f32f90$b9ef64d0@neptune> I own a 1000ZXL. I would like a copy of matrix you compiled. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Benstratford at aol.com [mailto:Benstratford at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL I have compiled a matrix of the capacitors used on each PCB for the 1000ZXL from the service manual. (it took a while)! 101 different Nak part numbers for capacitors. 404 capacitors in total. Cross referenced with pcb id / part no's / type / farad value / voltage / etc Some pcb's have many different versions. The matrix refers to version 1 of these pcb's only. 3 caps of same type and values have 2 different part numbers - could be a typo in manual? 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I took the lid off today to check out the layout and boy did I get a shock ..... thats a lot of parts to remove before the belts can be changed. I'll have to read the service manual really well if I still need to change the belts ...... I cleaned the rubber parts and heads really carefully and took a look under the inner face plate and found where the idler was located .... should I have seen whether a gear update has been done ....... if theres an idler .....does that mean the gear update awaits? Last night i cleaned all the fuses and plugs in all the hifi ....... we have fused plugs here in the UK for reasons best known to history, these have oxidising prone fuses in them ....... the differrence lisening afterwards was noticable. All part of conditioning ones mains supply I think , much easier than replacing a belt in the 300 ...... at first glance. What do you think about the FF and RW coming back on line....... it seems fast enough and I noticed it getting better the longer the deck was switched on and now it seems to RW straight from start up ..... great Ian r scotland From bernardsda at hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 02:03:31 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:03:31 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] good luck with your 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <027e01c76ced$f6f32f90$b9ef64d0@neptune> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daves at intergate.com Fri Mar 23 03:16:42 2007 From: daves at intergate.com (David) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:16:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com - the missing links? In-Reply-To: <074b01c767ea$c0a3b1b0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <028701c76cf1$5004abb0$b9ef64d0@neptune> Thanks for the Orange cap website. Now I am clear of which Orange caps everyone talks about when caps are talked about/ Dave -----Original Message----- From: Per [mailto:pdb at mit.bolignet.dk] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:47 AM To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com - the missing links? Wouter, I cannot find any internal links to these (and other?) pages from within www.naks.com website itself http://www.naks.com/support/orange/ http://www.naks.com/register/view.html Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Mar 23 02:33:02 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:33:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scotts ebay link is kaput. In-Reply-To: <200703212300.l2LN0n5S002747@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703212300.l2LN0n5S002747@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Ebay says this item has been removed ..better put the cork back in the wine bottle Wouter! Wonder why its gone ...... ? ian Wouter wrote: >It's Scott's remote, he's selling it on ebay now. BTW, I own 2 of these right now and they're >great. Use them with a $3 universal remote i got right here from the 'Dirk' super one time. >Wouter >Roland wrote: > Look at the comments section of this eBay auction? > See some familiar names? > Congrats to all the stars of Navtalk! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096714714&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 04:44:29 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Scotts ebay link is kaput. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <131556.40832.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Apparently using the word "Like"is a big no-no with eBay. This is part of the email I got from the. In addition, the following words and phrases are generally *not* permitted in the title because they will produce unsatisfactory search results for buyers looking for particular items: - Like - Style - Not - Inspired by - Similar to - Better than - As worn by - The brand name followed by a question mark -- for example, "Chanel?" eBay cancelled that auction so I relisted it without the work Like in the title. 250097072770 and 250097336463. SJ earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Ebay says this item has been removed ..better put the cork back in the wine bottle Wouter! Wonder why its gone ...... ? ian Wouter wrote: >It's Scott's remote, he's selling it on ebay now. BTW, I own 2 of these right now and they're >great. Use them with a $3 universal remote i got right here from the 'Dirk' super one time. >Wouter >Roland wrote: > Look at the comments section of this eBay auction? > See some familiar names? > Congrats to all the stars of Navtalk! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096714714&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Mar 23 20:43:46 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:43:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scotts ebay link is kaput. In-Reply-To: <131556.40832.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ehhhh ... like, now, tha' wouldn't go down too well with the lads from Liverpool, like. We, like, say "like" quite a lot, like. Know wha' I mean, like? Like, y'know Nakamichis, like? Well, like, I like 'em a lot, like. Know wha' I mean, like? That's how we'd say it, like. >From the land of the Scousers ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 23 March 2007 03:44 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scotts ebay link is kaput. Apparently using the word "Like"is a big no-no with eBay. This is part of the email I got from the. In addition, the following words and phrases are generally *not* permitted in the title because they will produce unsatisfactory search results for buyers looking for particular items: - Like - Style - Not - Inspired by - Similar to - Better than - As worn by - The brand name followed by a question mark -- for example, "Chanel?" eBay cancelled that auction so I relisted it without the work Like in the title. 250097072770 and 250097336463. SJ earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: Ebay says this item has been removed ..better put the cork back in the wine bottle Wouter! Wonder why its gone ...... ? ian Wouter wrote: >It's Scott's remote, he's selling it on ebay now. BTW, I own 2 of these right now and they're >great. Use them with a $3 universal remote i got right here from the 'Dirk' super one time. >Wouter >Roland wrote: > Look at the comments section of this eBay auction? > See some familiar names? > Congrats to all the stars of Navtalk! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250096714714&ssPageName= ADME:B:SS:US:1 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 18:20:59 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR motor Message-ID: <503496.75117.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Some one was looking for a CR series motor. there's a couple cheap CR series decks on e-bay that may be a good parts deck? Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Mar 26 18:39:01 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:39:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Technical problems with the list? Message-ID: <009901c76fc5$474408f0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi all, I have only received 2 (two!) posts since March 23. One from Bob Naylor and one from Walter Drewes. I assume we are fighting some technical problems. Take care for your loved ones while you do not have any posts to read ;-) Best wishes Per Borgen Denmark From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 26 18:48:31 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:48:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Technical problems with the list? Message-ID: I haven't received any emails at all for some days. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 26 19:10:22 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:10:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR motor References: <503496.75117.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011701c76fc9$a3c14350$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Bob That was me. I am tracking one in the Uk [6 days away] & one in the US [same timeframe]. I suspect that the US one may prove too expensive to ship & take a chance on the motor. Ideally what I want is a motor only, ideally new or at least already tested by an expert as being OK, otherwise I risk paying a lot to achieve little. Not so bad to risk if I buy cheap [& locally] in the UK' REgards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR motor Some one was looking for a CR series motor. there's a couple cheap CR series decks on e-bay that may be a good parts deck? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 19:11:10 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for DR series In-Reply-To: <001f01c76f17$947e3ae0$7bd017c4@home> Message-ID: <424255.59203.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was asked earlier today by a Naktalk'r about a wireless remote receiver for the DR-1. What does that interface on the DR-1 look like? I know it's a little connector (not the DIN-8), but, I don't know what the signals look like. Anyone got any information? Who else is interested in a wireless IR remote for the DR decks? Contact me directly please. What's on the back of the CassetteDeck series. Regular DIN-8 connector or the little connector like the DR-series? Scott J. --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 20:17:14 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for DR series In-Reply-To: <424255.59203.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161545.59902.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The back of the Cassette deck 1 and 1.5 is a 1/8 plug for remote, not a DIN. I haven't checked the cassette deck 2. Not sure if it's a 3 connector or 2 connector. Designed to work with a remote from another Nak sourse like a reciever or... Bob Scott Johnson wrote: I was asked earlier today by a Naktalk'r about a wireless remote receiver for the DR-1. What does that interface on the DR-1 look like? I know it's a little connector (not the DIN-8), but, I don't know what the signals look like. Anyone got any information? Who else is interested in a wireless IR remote for the DR decks? Contact me directly please. What's on the back of the CassetteDeck series. Regular DIN-8 connector or the little connector like the DR-series? Scott J. --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 26 20:20:32 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:20:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Remote for DR series Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2007 10:12:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: was asked earlier today by a Naktalk'r about a wireless remote receiver for the DR-1. What does that interface on the DR-1 look like? I know it's a little connector (not the DIN-8), but, I don't know what the signals look like. Anyone got any information? Who else is interested in a wireless IR remote for the DR decks? Contact me directly please. What's on the back of the CassetteDeck series. Regular DIN-8 connector or the little connector like the DR-series? Scott J. Hi Scott, It's a stereo mini-plug for both the DR and Cassette Deck series. I have owned both and used the remote function with an AV-500. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 26 20:56:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:56:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR motor In-Reply-To: <011701c76fc9$a3c14350$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <503496.75117.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <011701c76fc9$a3c14350$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <46081753.9060903@rcn.com> There are 3 or 4 motors in CR series decks. Which one are you talking about? -- Ron ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: > Bob > > That was me. I am tracking one in the Uk [6 days away] & one in the US > [same timeframe]. I suspect that the US one may prove too expensive to > ship & take a chance on the motor. > Ideally what I want is a motor only, _ideally new or at least already > tested by an expert as being OK_, otherwise I risk paying a lot to > achieve little. Not so bad to risk if I buy cheap [& locally] in the UK' > > REgards > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bob Naylor > *To:* Nakamichi Nakamichi > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2007 5:20 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR motor > > Some one was looking for a CR series motor. there's a couple cheap > CR series decks on e-bay that may be a good parts deck? > Bob > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 26 21:35:57 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:35:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR motor References: <503496.75117.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com><011701c76fc9$a3c14350$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <46081753.9060903@rcn.com> Message-ID: <017401c76fdd$fa1d0590$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Ron The one that we think is misbehaving in my CR-3, This has 3 motors, capstan/reel/actuator, & it is the reel motor that is considered faulty as apparently this is a 'standard' problem that occurs, usually due to infrequent usage over time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR motor > > There are 3 or 4 motors in CR series decks. Which one are you talking > about? > > -- Ron > > ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: >> Bob >> That was me. I am tracking one in the Uk [6 days away] & one in the US >> [same timeframe]. I suspect that the US one may prove too expensive to >> ship & take a chance on the motor. >> Ideally what I want is a motor only, _ideally new or at least already >> tested by an expert as being OK_, otherwise I risk paying a lot to >> achieve little. Not so bad to risk if I buy cheap [& locally] in the UK' >> REgards >> Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Bob Naylor >> *To:* Nakamichi Nakamichi >> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2007 5:20 PM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR motor >> >> Some one was looking for a CR series motor. there's a couple cheap >> CR series decks on e-bay that may be a good parts deck? >> Bob >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: > 25/03/2007 11:07 > > From earthrite at gn.apc.org Mon Mar 26 23:49:51 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:49:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belts arrived US to Scotland In-Reply-To: <200703261002.l2QA2Ofo008254@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703261002.l2QA2Ofo008254@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Bob Toephers belts arrived today ...... no show yet from MCM .... which has the idler wheel in as well .... so Im just writing a public thank you for Bobs service. Colarado to Scotland in 5 days ..... excellent Now wheres that laser printer for the service manual? ian scotland From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 23:58:26 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Remote for DR series and CassetteDeck series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070326215826.34454.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From what I can gather it seems like the remote jack on the DR-series and Cassette Deck series is a serial input from either the RC-3 or one of the newer receivers. Does anyone have a RC-3 that I can borrow? SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/26/2007 10:12:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: was asked earlier today by a Naktalk'r about a wireless remote receiver for the DR-1. What does that interface on the DR-1 look like? I know it's a little connector (not the DIN-8), but, I don't know what the signals look like. Anyone got any information? Who else is interested in a wireless IR remote for the DR decks? Contact me directly please. What's on the back of the CassetteDeck series. Regular DIN-8 connector or the little connector like the DR-series? Scott J. Hi Scott, It's a stereo mini-plug for both the DR and Cassette Deck series. I have owned both and used the remote function with an AV-500. Jeff --------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue Mar 27 05:21:36 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:21:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK demagnetiser in Cassetter Shell In-Reply-To: <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I was lent one of these items today and thought it well made and sturdy ...... but I gather they arent rated by the the serious ......? Im reading the TDK blurb and have used it in the various alarm clocks and garage ghetto blasters etc... I dont have a demagger so opinions welcome ...it puts out a .3 second shot and has a button cell it etc. Is it useful should I use it in the eBay nak ...ie non serviced ian scotland From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Mar 27 11:56:41 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:56:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 portable deck Message-ID: My 550 arrived today in pretty good condition and it plays and records well, both line and mics. Thanks Tom for your comments. Four of the shoulder washers have cracked and I will look for replacements as you suggest. The one fault is that the shoulder strap with its support lugs is missing. Does anyone happen to have a spare one lying around? David >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:11:34 -0600 >From: Hi Tech >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luxman Nakamichi? >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070321141134.0087ad70 at earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >David, > On your 550: do not store batteries for long periods of time in the deck. >If they leak it makes a tremendous mess. Also, almost all of the black >shoulder washers have cracked. Some professional audio catalogs have >"shoulder washers" for rack mounts that will work as substitutes. tom brucker From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Mar 27 12:00:27 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:00:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 again Message-ID: Forgot to add grateful appreciation to Tomas Larsson for the 550 manuals found on the ebaman site. A fantastic service. David From enoyes at snet.net Tue Mar 27 14:26:59 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:26:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TDK demagnetiser in Cassetter Shell In-Reply-To: References: <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <46090D93.8080202@snet.net> big problem is that the nak pressure pad lifter also pushes the magnetic field generator too far back to be really effective. Ed earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > I was lent one of these items today and thought it well made and > sturdy ...... but I gather they arent rated by the the serious ......? > > Im reading the TDK blurb and have used it in the various alarm clocks > and garage ghetto blasters etc... I dont have a demagger so opinions > welcome ...it puts out a .3 second shot and has a button cell it etc. > > Is it useful should I use it in the eBay nak ...ie non serviced > > ian > scotland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 27 15:41:24 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:41:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 Message-ID: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> Hello all, I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 15:59:53 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <792570.39363.qm@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Buy a BX 300 or CR4 to represent a Direct Drive Sankyo transport. These machines along with CR5/ CR7 all share common capstan belt. Kannan Marrs Communications wrote: Hello all, I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 27 16:00:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:00:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK demagnetiser in Cassetter Shell In-Reply-To: <46090D93.8080202@snet.net> References: <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> <46090D93.8080202@snet.net> Message-ID: <4609237F.7000201@rcn.com> If the pad lifter is in the way, it's a simple matter to remove it temporarily. However, even so, this gizmo will only demag the R/PB head and not the other items that need to be demagnetized: guides, capstans, back plate, front plate and any other ferric part around the tape path. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: > big problem is that the nak pressure pad lifter also pushes the magnetic > field generator too far back to be really effective. > > Ed > > earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > >> I was lent one of these items today and thought it well made and >> sturdy ...... but I gather they arent rated by the the serious ......? >> >> Im reading the TDK blurb and have used it in the various alarm clocks >> and garage ghetto blasters etc... I dont have a demagger so opinions >> welcome ...it puts out a .3 second shot and has a button cell it etc. >> >> Is it useful should I use it in the eBay nak ...ie non serviced >> >> ian >> scotland From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 27 16:14:08 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:14:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Luxman Nakamichi? Message-ID: Hi David, Good luck with the 550 - I would like one of those one day too. The Luxman ebay thing - well, what can one say? The guy is a cretin, and that explains the illiteracy. Sorry for my slow uptake time - Marc >>> davidt124 at internode.on.net 3/20/2007 1:09:04 AM >>> How do you like this guy listing a Luxman deck on Aus ebay as: Item: LUXMAN K-351 K351 Tape Deck Nakamichi Vintage HIFI rare (120098858921) When I asked him what Nakamichi had to do with it he replied: "hi, I had both, and will be listing my Nak deck also the luxman deck is very comp to anyone wanting a nak, thanks" I have just won a Nak 550 on ebay. It is supposed to play and record well, so here's hoping it is a good one. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 27 17:23:32 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:23:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK demagnetiser in Cassetter Shell In-Reply-To: References: <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> <200703241100.l2OB0L1P010336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070327092332.008737b0@earthlink.net> Ian, It is my favorite demagnetizer! You have a gem there. The TDK is better because the demagnetization is in closer contact with the head, but will not scratch it. tom brucker At 04:21 AM 3/27/07 +0100, you wrote: >I was lent one of these items today and thought it well made and >sturdy ...... but I gather they arent rated by the the serious ......? > >Im reading the TDK blurb and have used it in the various alarm clocks >and garage ghetto blasters etc... I dont have a demagger so opinions >welcome ...it puts out a .3 second shot and has a button cell it etc. > >Is it useful should I use it in the eBay nak ...ie non serviced > >ian >scotland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 27 16:36:23 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:36:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 7:02:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. Any Naktalker looking for the 2 belts for the BX-300, CR-4-5-7 can get them from MCM for less than $2 plus shipping, instead of paying Fred $29. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Mar 27 16:58:57 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:58:57 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46093131.5020107@otenet.gr> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2007 7:02:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: > > I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines > mentioned > in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. > > Any Naktalker looking for the 2 belts for the BX-300, CR-4-5-7 can get > them from MCM for less than $2 plus shipping, instead of paying Fred $29. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Jeff, i went to the MCM site and could not find what you're writing, i own a CR-7E and would be very much interested on the belts....Can you send a url to follow? Thanks Manos from Athens Greece From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Mar 27 17:10:39 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <460933EF.8080700@rcn.com> Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello all, > I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned > in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do > include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my Nakamichi > kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices will remain > the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive within 2 weeks. > This will allow me to document the performance of my belts. The test > machines I currently have on hand are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, > DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak transport. Are there > any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, not currently owned by > myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred Hi, I have a CR-5 that I want to sell. It's in perfect working order, and cosmetically in fair condition (one knob cover and the door cover are missing... just the covers, the knob and door are there). I'm asking $200. Probably too much just for looking at the transport, but quite reasonable if you actually want a CR-5 to use. Sounds amazing, sonically just as good as my CR-7. Have a nice day, -- Ron From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 27 17:19:37 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:19:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello all, > I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned > in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do > include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my > Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices > will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive > within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the performance of my > belts. The test machines I currently have on hand are as follows: > CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak > transport. Are there any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, > not currently owned by myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred > > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 27 17:32:18 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:32:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was correct AGAIN! __Fred Marrs Communications wrote: > As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in > previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you > are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the > USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the > United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with > my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to > be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the > US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this > group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If > you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been > receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM > or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me > a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the performance >> of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand are as >> follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses >> the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase of a Nak >> machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred >> >> >> > > > From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Mar 27 17:44:14 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:44:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Fred... I know this has been said before, but I would like to re-iterate. While MCM etc are a source for the Sankyo decks, anyone with a classic mechanism deck is facing the fact that there is currently only one known supplier of capstan belts - ESL. (Although I remember someone posting that they are keeping their stock for rebuilds...) If you or anyone else is able to supply a belt that will work, then I am all for it. I think your price is reasonable - especially if we apply the rules of supply and demand (some demand, but no supply!!!) I don't have the equipment to test these belts, and to some degree even if you test them and say they work there will still be sceptics. Is it possible for one of the respected members of the list that has a T100 etc (Tom maybe??? - I know there are others) to test one of the belts on a classic deck? If they were able to confirm that the belts work well, then I think you would go from potential shyster to saviour... Regards... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: March 27, 2007 8:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Mar 27 18:11:41 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com><46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <015801c7708a$a0fea830$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi Guys, The original Nakamichi belts are available from Electronics Service Labs. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Mashlan" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3,CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 Fred... I know this has been said before, but I would like to re-iterate. While MCM etc are a source for the Sankyo decks, anyone with a classic mechanism deck is facing the fact that there is currently only one known supplier of capstan belts - ESL. (Although I remember someone posting that they are keeping their stock for rebuilds...) If you or anyone else is able to supply a belt that will work, then I am all for it. I think your price is reasonable - especially if we apply the rules of supply and demand (some demand, but no supply!!!) I don't have the equipment to test these belts, and to some degree even if you test them and say they work there will still be sceptics. Is it possible for one of the respected members of the list that has a T100 etc (Tom maybe??? - I know there are others) to test one of the belts on a classic deck? If they were able to confirm that the belts work well, then I think you would go from potential shyster to saviour... Regards... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: March 27, 2007 8:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Mar 27 18:34:09 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:34:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <46094781.3000704@marrscommunications.com> Hello Ken, I will be more than happy to forward a belt to Tom at Hi Tech. You name the machine. Just so there is no misunderstanding, please remember the face of the belt I am supplying is not as wide as the Nak 80634. I have had such good luck with this belt, I continued to use it. I can get a belt that DOES have the same face as the 80634 (0.250), but the cross section is around .040" which in my opinion, is not worthy of even trying so I have never ordered it. I will also check the performance as soon as my T-100 arrives. As to supply (order fill), to date, there has only been one part number B/O from my supplier, which was shipped within 2 weeks. I guess the future will tell when / if very large orders are placed. I am not only selling belts on eBay. I am also supplying some service people in quantities of a dozen sets at a time so have place some fairly large orders. Let me know which machine, and I will send a belt to Tom ASAP. Many thanks, Fred > ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was > correct AGAIN! __Fred > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times >> in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, >> you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in >> the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in >> the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order >> with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will >> continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing >> business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my >> product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if >> you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product >> you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your >> belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product >> that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the >> Members, Fred >> >> >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >>> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >>> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >>> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >>> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >>> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the >>> performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand >>> are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 >>> which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase >>> of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? >>> Thanks, Fred >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From kmashlan at shaw.ca Tue Mar 27 19:05:22 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:05:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46094781.3000704@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> <46094781.3000704@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Hey... I was just making a suggestion - Tom may be reading this thinking I have signed him up for something! - Tom - sorry if that is the case. He may or may not want to actually test it, or maybe someone else does. I was more suggesting that maybe you could ask the list if someone would be willing to test to give an "independent opinion". Jeff... Good to know that ESL is still an option! Regards... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: March 27, 2007 9:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 Importance: High Hello Ken, I will be more than happy to forward a belt to Tom at Hi Tech. You name the machine. Just so there is no misunderstanding, please remember the face of the belt I am supplying is not as wide as the Nak 80634. I have had such good luck with this belt, I continued to use it. I can get a belt that DOES have the same face as the 80634 (0.250), but the cross section is around .040" which in my opinion, is not worthy of even trying so I have never ordered it. I will also check the performance as soon as my T-100 arrives. As to supply (order fill), to date, there has only been one part number B/O from my supplier, which was shipped within 2 weeks. I guess the future will tell when / if very large orders are placed. I am not only selling belts on eBay. I am also supplying some service people in quantities of a dozen sets at a time so have place some fairly large orders. Let me know which machine, and I will send a belt to Tom ASAP. Many thanks, Fred > ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was > correct AGAIN! __Fred > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times >> in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, >> you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in >> the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in >> the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order >> with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will >> continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing >> business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my >> product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if >> you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product >> you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your >> belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product >> that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the >> Members, Fred >> >> >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >>> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >>> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >>> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >>> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >>> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the >>> performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand >>> are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 >>> which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase >>> of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? >>> Thanks, Fred >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 27 19:08:26 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:08:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 550 portable deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46094F8A.2040509@peromarta.org> Hi David, When you find the appropiate shoulder washers, could you point out the source? Thanks, LP. David Thompson wrote: > My 550 arrived today in pretty good condition and it plays and records well, > both line and mics. > Thanks Tom for your comments. Four of the shoulder washers have cracked and > I will look for replacements as you suggest. > > The one fault is that the shoulder strap with its support lugs is missing. > Does anyone happen to have a spare one lying around? > > David > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Mar 27 20:27:35 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:57:35 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 References: <200703271548.l2RFllYs002368@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c7709d$9975a970$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Hello Fred Could you also try for the DR2 and MR2 ? I own these machines and would love a couple to keep just in case one snaps. And if it has the No wow/flutter guarantee .. i guess that makes it as good as the original belt. Thanks and Best Regards Soumitra > Hello all, > I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned > in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do > include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my Nakamichi > kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices will remain > the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive within 2 weeks. > This will allow me to document the performance of my belts. The test > machines I currently have on hand are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, > DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak transport. Are there > any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, not currently owned by > myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Mar 27 22:08:15 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:08:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) Message-ID: <6D007E92-E151-4E6E-811B-446C946B07B0@thegreatbear.net> hello all just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... seemed like a good buy... owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. FF and RW seem fast though.. i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for this.. the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. this is something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I hope I can. thanks adrian From dzondag at altelco.net Wed Mar 28 03:43:17 2007 From: dzondag at altelco.net (David Zondag) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:43:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: <73A806B7-0583-46B2-BCB3-2F8229149C84@altelco.net> Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 03:45:01 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button In-Reply-To: <73A806B7-0583-46B2-BCB3-2F8229149C84@altelco.net> Message-ID: <711529.44013.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 04:24:42 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button In-Reply-To: <711529.44013.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431508.55983.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think thats exactly what happened with my 1000zxl the other day. i took out the battery compartment (empty) and saw sparks fly out and the cam motor is now stuck in the rewind position and the azimuth motor goes tick.tick.tick. thats it. The display is sporadic and the control buttons all are ineffective. Tom Brucker is trouble shooting this one for me. Any opinions folks? ESL wanted $3500-$4500 for a full make over for this unit. I shall rather acquire a zxl limited brand new if I could afford that kind of money. thanks folks for all your help. Ram Scott Johnson wrote: That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 28 06:02:55 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button In-Reply-To: <431508.55983.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53557.786.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram: Is that what going on to the 1000ZXL that you recently bought because there is suddenly no more update from you about that unit for a week ? Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I think thats exactly what happened with my 1000zxl the other day. i took out the battery compartment (empty) and saw sparks fly out and the cam motor is now stuck in the rewind position and the azimuth motor goes tick.tick.tick. thats it. The display is sporadic and the control buttons all are ineffective. Tom Brucker is trouble shooting this one for me. Any opinions folks? ESL wanted $3500-$4500 for a full make over for this unit. I shall rather acquire a zxl limited brand new if I could afford that kind of money. thanks folks for all your help. Ram Scott Johnson wrote: That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Wed Mar 28 11:19:42 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:19:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) In-Reply-To: <888709.47110.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <888709.47110.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi bala, you should have some PDF's in your mailbox now bala.. I'd also like to offer these bits of the SM I've just scanned and edited to everyone via the ebaman site.. I'll upload these today (mechanism and motor governor schematic, troubleshooting guide, motor governor description), 2.5MB in total. Should be enough to troubleshoot motor related problems.. I'll scan some more when I get time. adrian On 28 Mar 2007, at 03:59, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > I do not mind if its in A4 size. My 700II motor stopped > moving a year ago and I've yet to work on it as I do not have the > SM. Could you have the schematics scanned for me please? > > BG > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" > To: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:49:57 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds > tape?) > > hi bala > > it was part of the deal.. > > the owner had it in 2005 as a project and purchased the full belt kit > and original SM from Bowers & Wilkins in the UK. > > It's a fantastic manual, very informative and nice big fold out > schematics. > > I'll scan any pages if you need them and convert to PDF, but I only > have an A4 scanner.. > > > regards > > adrian > > > > On 27 Mar 2007, at 23:27, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > > Adrian, > > > > Where did you get the SM for this machine? > > > > BG > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:08:15 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) > > > > hello all > > > > just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... > > > > seemed like a good buy... > > owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year > > from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. > > > > it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. > > > > in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not > > winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. > > > > FF and RW seem fast though.. > > > > i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff > > problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for > > this.. > > the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. > this is > > something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. > > > > oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? > > > > this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I > > hope I can. > > > > > > thanks > > > > adrian > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 28 12:44:59 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:44:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon & DR-1__T100 In-Reply-To: <460A4505.8030606@marrscommunications.com> References: <460A4505.8030606@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <460A472B.6090303@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 28 13:18:16 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:18:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / DR-1/T-100 In-Reply-To: <460A4E41.70909@marrscommunications.com> References: <460A4E41.70909@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <460A4EF8.7060004@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 28 13:35:43 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:35:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak/BX100 thru 300 / CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A / DRAGON / DR-1 / T100 Message-ID: <460A530F.4090602@marrscommunications.com> Hello Soumitra, Actually I do have a DR-1 to use for the research so I have your request covered. Thanks, Fred From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 14:44:09 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button In-Reply-To: <53557.786.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <545189.11977.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, Yes. That is my sad story. It was fine all week. then I pulled the empty battery tray to load some batteries and saw a bunch of sparks and then the azimuth motor started ticking and now the deck is on perpetual rewind when powered on. The display lights are also sporadic. None of the play/rec/pause/rew/ff buttons work. I guess I burned $1300. Tragedy is it was fine until I pulled the cover off. Ram LENA WONG wrote: Ram: Is that what going on to the 1000ZXL that you recently bought because there is suddenly no more update from you about that unit for a week ? Mike shanti ramachandran wrote: I think thats exactly what happened with my 1000zxl the other day. i took out the battery compartment (empty) and saw sparks fly out and the cam motor is now stuck in the rewind position and the azimuth motor goes tick.tick.tick. thats it. The display is sporadic and the control buttons all are ineffective. Tom Brucker is trouble shooting this one for me. Any opinions folks? ESL wanted $3500-$4500 for a full make over for this unit. I shall rather acquire a zxl limited brand new if I could afford that kind of money. thanks folks for all your help. Ram Scott Johnson wrote: That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Mar 28 14:52:01 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:52:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <460A64F1.7070700@snet.net> In a free society, people have the right to make any choices they like, whether they buy from MCM, Jeff Galin, or whomever. It would seem that Jeff here has it in for Fred in some way. I think that the alternative sources for belts (and respective prices) have been made quite clear and there is no reason to continue this line of communication. It is true that the Sankyo transport is much less critical of belt size and tension and it is possible that MCM or PRB (Russell) may be just fine or if not, at least reasonably good. If someone wants to take a shot with that, then fine for them. If someone prefers to go to Fred for belts, then fine for that person. In other words, give it a rest Jeff. Ed Marrs Communications wrote: > As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in > previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you > are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the > USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the > United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with > my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to > be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the > US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this > group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If > you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been > receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM > or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me > a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the performance >> of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand are as >> follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses >> the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase of a Nak >> machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From winamped at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:57:52 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:57:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions Message-ID: Hello to everyone. I've only recently joined up here so bear with my questions-I'm working back through the archived messages fast as I can. I'm also only recently researching Naks because of a project I'm working on sooooo...no Nak for me yet until I work out various details. Anyways, here's the questions. -Some Naks use a knob to allow the user to dial in the playback azimuth head for tapes. From my reading, the Dragon however does this automatically for playback. Is this true and just exactly how does it do this? -In regards to the Dragons playback azimuth adjustment...someone here in an old message I came across (can't remember how long ago) mentioned something that made it sound as if the Dragon constantly re-adjusts the playback head azimuth _during_ playback (meaning dynamically, while static would mean it sets at the beginning and keeps it the same). So is this true? -Does the azimuth positioning change that much over the course of the playback of one side of a tape? I mean, if I manually adjust the playback azimuth at the beginning of a tape, and then check towards the end is it going to be off by that much? -There seems to be a consensus here (from reading old messages) that adjusting the playback azimuth is better on a unit that has an external knob as opposed to using the adjustment screw on a unit that doesn't have an external knob. I'm curious as to why this should be as I knew plenty of "old timers" (no offense) who had no problems using the screw on units (may have been Naks, or not...don't remember) to make this adjustment when needed on playback. As far as I know from way back when, I never knew them to have any long term problems with their decks. Other than the fact that there is a knob, is there something different with the gearing or stability, or is it just a matter of the knob being more of a convenience? Hopefully this isn't too much to start out with. I'm sure I'll have other questions to bring up. ;) Thanks for everyone's feedback. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 28 17:51:05 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:51:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) In-Reply-To: <6D007E92-E151-4E6E-811B-446C946B07B0@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> Adrian, Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a photo cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, causing it to bind. In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a complex reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long lasting, but it does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a tire is slipping? The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper take up torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch roller bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the beginning, but not in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. tom brucker At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >hello all > >just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... > >seemed like a good buy... >owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year >from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. > >it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. > >in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. > >FF and RW seem fast though.. > >i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for this.. >the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. this is >something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. > >oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? > >this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I >hope I can. > > >thanks > >adrian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 28 16:48:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:48:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi parts; OEM and substitute In-Reply-To: <015801c7708a$a0fea830$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> References: <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070328084837.00876640@earthlink.net> Folks, The reality is that in America businesses are free to charge what the market will bear. If an original belt kit restores a valuable deck, the market today will bear a high price. Aftermarket belt substitutes that match the original's performance might have the same value, hence the same price, however they do not have the guarantee that the perform as well as originals. I suppose we could agree to some sort of test. As long as I am perceived as benevolent and independent, I'd be happy to test any substitute belt to the best extent of my ability....Fred .... (although a T-100 is nice to have). There are two serious problems with my idea: I only have one OEM new belt to compare with (for the classic mechanism) and all test machines are used equipment, which may introduce wow and flutter by other means. What we all want to avoid is paying a high price for substitute parts which perform poorly. I personally have been testing classic capstan belts, and all but one perform poorly. The one that works well is too narrow to last a long time. Many Naktalkers have experience with Sankyo idler tires that perform poorly. The MCM belts and tires are ok if you have no other choice. In my opinion, with the ability to test these substitutes, I need to find better parts. Jeff, I was under the impression that ESL would not sell anything but idlers to the public. Will you give us a post of what general groups of parts are availible for sale without linking to an ESL repair? For example, ESL will sell BX300/MR1 belts, but not pitch controls. ESL will sell cosmetic parts for CR-DR series decks, but not classic decks. It would benefit the whole NakTalk community to get a general idea of what is for sale. From my personal experience I have requested parts quotes from ESL 3 times, and have been told that the parts are not for sale to the public. tom brucker At 12:11 PM 3/27/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > >The original Nakamichi belts are available from Electronics Service Labs. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Mashlan" >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:44 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3,CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 > > >Fred... > >I know this has been said before, but I would like to re-iterate. While MCM >etc are a source for the Sankyo decks, anyone with a classic mechanism deck >is facing the fact that there is currently only one known supplier of >capstan belts - ESL. (Although I remember someone posting that they are >keeping their stock for rebuilds...) > >If you or anyone else is able to supply a belt that will work, then I am all >for it. I think your price is reasonable - especially if we apply the rules >of supply and demand (some demand, but no supply!!!) > >I don't have the equipment to test these belts, and to some degree even if >you test them and say they work there will still be sceptics. Is it >possible for one of the respected members of the list that has a T100 etc >(Tom maybe??? - I know there are others) to test one of the belts on a >classic deck? If they were able to confirm that the belts work well, then I >think you would go from potential shyster to saviour... > > >Regards... >Ken > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Marrs Communications >Sent: March 27, 2007 8:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / >T-100 > >As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in >previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are >getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. >Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United >States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my >supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the >only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please >NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because >of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently >happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is >you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other >hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! >__ Thanks to the Members, Fred > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From paulcar at caribsurf.com Wed Mar 28 17:00:30 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:00:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts Message-ID: <460A830E.2070802@caribsurf.com> I endorse Ed's comments Paul C From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 28 18:04:54 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:04:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 In-Reply-To: <46094781.3000704@marrscommunications.com> References: <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> <46091F04.80009@marrscommunications.com> <46093609.2000509@marrscommunications.com> <46093902.3020505@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070328100454.00879200@earthlink.net> Fred, I'll try a set for the classic decks, and pay for them (to be ethical). let me know your paypal. mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net let's do a trial run with this belt set and see how it goes. No one appointed me gate keeper, but I will do my best! See my other post. tom brucker At 11:34 AM 3/27/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Ken, >I will be more than happy to forward a belt to Tom at Hi Tech. You name >the machine. Just so there is no misunderstanding, please remember the >face of the belt I am supplying is not as wide as the Nak 80634. I have >had such good luck with this belt, I continued to use it. I can get a >belt that DOES have the same face as the 80634 (0.250), but the cross >section is around .040" which in my opinion, is not worthy of even >trying so I have never ordered it. I will also check the performance as >soon as my T-100 arrives. As to supply (order fill), to date, there has >only been one part number B/O from my supplier, which was shipped within >2 weeks. I guess the future will tell when / if very large orders are >placed. I am not only selling belts on eBay. I am also supplying some >service people in quantities of a dozen sets at a time so have place >some fairly large orders. Let me know which machine, and I will send a >belt to Tom ASAP. Many thanks, Fred > > >> ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was >> correct AGAIN! __Fred >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times >>> in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, >>> you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in >>> the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in >>> the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order >>> with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will >>> continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing >>> business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my >>> product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if >>> you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product >>> you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your >>> belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product >>> that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the >>> Members, Fred >>> >>> >>> >>> Marrs Communications wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >>>> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >>>> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >>>> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >>>> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >>>> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the >>>> performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand >>>> are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 >>>> which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase >>>> of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? >>>> Thanks, Fred >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 17:22:20 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi parts; OEM and substitute In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070328084837.00876640@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <264718.10672.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom you have nicely explained the facts. The truth is that belts are very important spare parts for Classic Nak to work without Wow and flutter. And measuring the effects of these belts may not be that easy without proper tools( including fine working classic transport Nak) Paying 30$ to 40$ for a classic nak capstan belt is not a big money than paying 1000' s of $ on an used Nak or for that matter paying 1000's $ for restoring one ZX7. The classic belt lasts more than almost 6 years or more if used regularly. Let somebody develop same thickness ( width and circumference ) classic belt - it should work fine. What we require is your opinion on a sample belt - based on your experience. I feel somebody having classic nak transport capstan spare belts should send one to you to compare. This would clear misgivings or claims from one seller. Even as a seller I need profits to continue selling. So test it and give some opinion. Since there seems to be good number of Naks running even today ( with classic transports) I assume - there will be belts! Kannan Hi Tech wrote: Folks, The reality is that in America businesses are free to charge what the market will bear. If an original belt kit restores a valuable deck, the market today will bear a high price. Aftermarket belt substitutes that match the original's performance might have the same value, hence the same price, however they do not have the guarantee that the perform as well as originals. I suppose we could agree to some sort of test. As long as I am perceived as benevolent and independent, I'd be happy to test any substitute belt to the best extent of my ability....Fred .... (although a T-100 is nice to have). There are two serious problems with my idea: I only have one OEM new belt to compare with (for the classic mechanism) and all test machines are used equipment, which may introduce wow and flutter by other means. What we all want to avoid is paying a high price for substitute parts which perform poorly. I personally have been testing classic capstan belts, and all but one perform poorly. The one that works well is too narrow to last a long time. Many Naktalkers have experience with Sankyo idler tires that perform poorly. The MCM belts and tires are ok if you have no other choice. In my opinion, with the ability to test these substitutes, I need to find better parts. Jeff, I was under the impression that ESL would not sell anything but idlers to the public. Will you give us a post of what general groups of parts are availible for sale without linking to an ESL repair? For example, ESL will sell BX300/MR1 belts, but not pitch controls. ESL will sell cosmetic parts for CR-DR series decks, but not classic decks. It would benefit the whole NakTalk community to get a general idea of what is for sale. From my personal experience I have requested parts quotes from ESL 3 times, and have been told that the parts are not for sale to the public. tom brucker At 12:11 PM 3/27/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > >The original Nakamichi belts are available from Electronics Service Labs. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Mashlan" >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:44 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3,CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 > > >Fred... > >I know this has been said before, but I would like to re-iterate. While MCM >etc are a source for the Sankyo decks, anyone with a classic mechanism deck >is facing the fact that there is currently only one known supplier of >capstan belts - ESL. (Although I remember someone posting that they are >keeping their stock for rebuilds...) > >If you or anyone else is able to supply a belt that will work, then I am all >for it. I think your price is reasonable - especially if we apply the rules >of supply and demand (some demand, but no supply!!!) > >I don't have the equipment to test these belts, and to some degree even if >you test them and say they work there will still be sceptics. Is it >possible for one of the respected members of the list that has a T100 etc >(Tom maybe??? - I know there are others) to test one of the belts on a >classic deck? If they were able to confirm that the belts work well, then I >think you would go from potential shyster to saviour... > > >Regards... >Ken > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Marrs Communications >Sent: March 27, 2007 8:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / >T-100 > >As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in >previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are >getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. >Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United >States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my >supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the >only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please >NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because >of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently >happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is >you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other >hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! >__ Thanks to the Members, Fred > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Wed Mar 28 17:44:30 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:44:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> thanks for the help tom.. to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to mine (he delivered) so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape folding FF is fine but no autostop RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to function. You can hear a relay function or something but then pause or nothing happen. I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. thanks again adrian On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: > Adrian, > Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a photo > cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, > causing it > to bind. > In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a > complex > reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long lasting, > but it > does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a > tire is > slipping? > The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper > take up > torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch > roller > bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the beginning, > but not > in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. > > tom brucker > > At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> hello all >> >> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >> >> seemed like a good buy... >> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year >> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >> >> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >> >> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >> >> FF and RW seem fast though.. >> >> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for >> this.. >> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. this is >> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >> >> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >> >> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I >> hope I can. >> >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Mar 28 17:55:33 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:55:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] T 100 and most of the alignment tapes eBay In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070326170924.007a2600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003e01c77151$85616230$3201000a@gabrenas> Anyone bidding on the T-100 from here? I just don't want a bidding war however I service a lot of naks and would love to add a t-100 to my test equipment. BTW: there are 2 of them listed on E-bay. Any suggestions on what is a fair price? Vic Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of tom brucker Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] T 100 and most of the alignment tapes eBay A heads up for the serious NakTalker> There is a T100 and all alignment tapes in one eBay sale (missing the 20KHz Play frequency response, needed only for head replacement) . T100s do not drift in calibration much, so this sale ought to be a good one. I have used my T100 continuously for 25 years, so do not worry about the age of it. tom brucker Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 28 19:51:44 2007 From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net (wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:51:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and BX 300 Message-ID: <20070328175144.TJEB1081.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Hello Naktalk Just was wondering about the MR 1 and the BX 300. Do they sound the same, I know one has balance outputs and inputs. But do that make the MR 1 sound any different. Are the circuits the same. From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 20:54:37 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <382892.84110.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Go to my web page and search for "What is NAAC? " http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html You might also want to read "Different type of azimuth adjust used on Nak decks" SJ G K wrote: Hello to everyone. I've only recently joined up here so bear with my questions-I'm working back through the archived messages fast as I can. I'm also only recently researching Naks because of a project I'm working on sooooo...no Nak for me yet until I work out various details. Anyways, here's the questions. -Some Naks use a knob to allow the user to dial in the playback azimuth head for tapes. From my reading, the Dragon however does this automatically for playback. Is this true and just exactly how does it do this? -In regards to the Dragons playback azimuth adjustment...someone here in an old message I came across (can't remember how long ago) mentioned something that made it sound as if the Dragon constantly re-adjusts the playback head azimuth _during_ playback (meaning dynamically, while static would mean it sets at the beginning and keeps it the same). So is this true? -Does the azimuth positioning change that much over the course of the playback of one side of a tape? I mean, if I manually adjust the playback azimuth at the beginning of a tape, and then check towards the end is it going to be off by that much? -There seems to be a consensus here (from reading old messages) that adjusting the playback azimuth is better on a unit that has an external knob as opposed to using the adjustment screw on a unit that doesn't have an external knob. I'm curious as to why this should be as I knew plenty of "old timers" (no offense) who had no problems using the screw on units (may have been Naks, or not...don't remember) to make this adjustment when needed on playback. As far as I know from way back when, I never knew them to have any long term problems with their decks. Other than the fact that there is a knob, is there something different with the gearing or stability, or is it just a matter of the knob being more of a convenience? Hopefully this isn't too much to start out with. I'm sure I'll have other questions to bring up. ;) Thanks for everyone's feedback. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 28 21:06:12 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:06:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and BX 300 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 10:59:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net writes: Just was wondering about the MR 1 and the BX 300. Do they sound the same, I know one has balance outputs and inputs. But do that make the MR 1 sound any different. Are the circuits the same. One thing about the MR-1 and BX-300 is that most MR-1's I've seen are actually MR-1B's. They are made to a different equalization standard than the BX-300. You can get a good discussion of this issue from Scott Johnson's Geocities site. I bought a MR-1 from eBay. When it came I compared the sound to a BX-300 doing an A - B comparison on the same set-up. I immediately noticed that it didn't have the really great highs a Nak deck should, but it seemed to be almost unused, so I couldn't understand what was wrong. Then I found the little white dot sticker on the bottom and realized it was an MR-1B. After that, I had the thought that maybe I should try some commercial tapes from the late 80's and early 90's on it, and they sounded fantastic - they were made to the same equalization standard. This gave me pause for thought. I realized I was on to something. I have a very large collection of tapes made in India in the 70's and 80's. I'm pretty sure Indian manufacturers didn't start using IEC-2 duplicating equipment until at least the early 90's, and I noticed these older tapes sounded best on my 480's and other decks from around 1980, when IEC-1 was the norm. These tapes are really crappy - they shed particles like a wet dog. I won't put them in a high-end Nak, so I only put them in my 480's which have to be cleaned often, almost after every tape. The lesson I learned was that tapes should be played back on decks of roughly the same vintage as the recordings to get the best sound, azimuth issues aside. I now use the MR-1B to convert commercial tapes to CD. Jeff ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Mar 28 21:08:10 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:08:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). There ain't no free lunch.-kby From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 28 21:57:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:57:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 5:56:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: In a free society, people have the right to make any choices they like, whether they buy from MCM, Jeff Galin, or whomever. It would seem that Jeff here has it in for Fred in some way. I think that the alternative sources for belts (and respective prices) have been made quite clear and there is no reason to continue this line of communication. It is true that the Sankyo transport is much less critical of belt size and tension and it is possible that MCM or PRB (Russell) may be just fine or if not, at least reasonably good. If someone wants to take a shot with that, then fine for them. If someone prefers to go to Fred for belts, then fine for that person. In other words, give it a rest Jeff. Ed Hi Ed, This is text from Ed's eBay ad for Nak belts - "New, Fresh Inventory. Capstan belt is precision cut to .030". GUARANTEED NO WOW/FLUTTER ISSUES due to inferior belt manufacturing. O.E.M. QUALITY and O.E.M. SIZE. Belt sources are drying up and production could end at any time, so stock up on spares for your machine NOW! (The formats we are using today do NOT use belts, so why continue to manufacture them?). I purchase the belts in bulk and hand assemble the kits. The Quality is Excellent and the price is fair. Making the kits up by hand is very time consuming, and requires a lot of belt inventory. Please keep this in mind when considering my prices. Reduced Shipping!" You can see for yourself that Fred claims to be selling belts which are Original Equipment Maker quality and size. I say he isn't. Those of us who follow this issue know that the very size he says he has, namely a capstan belt made to .030 thickness (see text above), is NOT Original Equipment Maker size, and almost certainly is not of the quality of the original Nak belt. Fred's listing is typical of the false representations which plague eBay. Maybe you're ok with that. I'm not. I'm working on the belt problem, I'll post the info when the tests are done on some other belts which are available. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 21:59:37 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions In-Reply-To: <382892.84110.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32302.10864.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of the Dragon NAAC assumptions that it does not adjust after 10 sec is not true. If there is a sudden burst of music frequencies above 4Khz crosses - Ithink about -10db after it settles down once, it starts tracking again. It does not wait for Door opening /closing to track again. Door opening / closing and or reversing direction always start NAAC tracking. Since HF energy rarely crosses high outputs and well recorded tapes do not have too much azimuth variation, NAAC need not track often. I have observed this on many Dragons, However it tries to settle down after 10 -12 sec duration even if the azimuth is not exact. kannan Scott Johnson wrote: Go to my web page and search for "What is NAAC? " http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html You might also want to read "Different type of azimuth adjust used on Nak decks" SJ G K wrote: Hello to everyone. I've only recently joined up here so bear with my questions-I'm working back through the archived messages fast as I can. I'm also only recently researching Naks because of a project I'm working on sooooo...no Nak for me yet until I work out various details. Anyways, here's the questions. -Some Naks use a knob to allow the user to dial in the playback azimuth head for tapes. From my reading, the Dragon however does this automatically for playback. Is this true and just exactly how does it do this? -In regards to the Dragons playback azimuth adjustment...someone here in an old message I came across (can't remember how long ago) mentioned something that made it sound as if the Dragon constantly re-adjusts the playback head azimuth _during_ playback (meaning dynamically, while static would mean it sets at the beginning and keeps it the same). So is this true? -Does the azimuth positioning change that much over the course of the playback of one side of a tape? I mean, if I manually adjust the playback azimuth at the beginning of a tape, and then check towards the end is it going to be off by that much? -There seems to be a consensus here (from reading old messages) that adjusting the playback azimuth is better on a unit that has an external knob as opposed to using the adjustment screw on a unit that doesn't have an external knob. I'm curious as to why this should be as I knew plenty of "old timers" (no offense) who had no problems using the screw on units (may have been Naks, or not...don't remember) to make this adjustment when needed on playback. As far as I know from way back when, I never knew them to have any long term problems with their decks. Other than the fact that there is a knob, is there something different with the gearing or stability, or is it just a matter of the knob being more of a convenience? Hopefully this isn't too much to start out with. I'm sure I'll have other questions to bring up. ;) Thanks for everyone's feedback. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. 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Belt sources are drying up and production could end at any time, so stock up on spares for your machine NOW! (The formats we are using today do NOT use belts so, why continue to manufacture them?). I purchase the belts in bulk and hand assemble the kits. The Quality is Excellent and the price is fair. Shipping is FIXED at $4.00, for up to 5 kits in the lower 48, and $7.00 Worldwide. NOTE: Pictures are for reference only and do NOT imply models listed on the package are the same. You must SPECIFY MODEL!! Kits available in this price category: 480, 480Z, 481Z, 482Z, 580M, 581Z, 582Z, 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, ZX-7, ZX-9. ( CR-3, CR-5A, CR7A and DRAGON are HERE! ). Check my other listings for more Nakamichi, Marantz, Harman Kardon and Tandberg machines, with more high end machines and models to be added soon! Payment by PayPal only. __Please take a look at my web site: http://www.marrscommunications.com Thanks! " Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/28/2007 5:56:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: In a free society, people have the right to make any choices they like, whether they buy from MCM, Jeff Galin, or whomever. It would seem that Jeff here has it in for Fred in some way. I think that the alternative sources for belts (and respective prices) have been made quite clear and there is no reason to continue this line of communication. It is true that the Sankyo transport is much less critical of belt size and tension and it is possible that MCM or PRB (Russell) may be just fine or if not, at least reasonably good. If someone wants to take a shot with that, then fine for them. If someone prefers to go to Fred for belts, then fine for that person. In other words, give it a rest Jeff. Ed Hi Ed, This is text from Ed's eBay ad for Nak belts - "New, Fresh Inventory. Capstan belt is precision cut to .030". GUARANTEED NO WOW/FLUTTER ISSUES due to inferior belt manufacturing. O.E.M. QUALITY and O.E.M. SIZE. Belt sources are drying up and production could end at any time, so stock up on spares for your machine NOW! (The formats we are using today do NOT use belts, so why continue to manufacture them?). I purchase the belts in bulk and hand assemble the kits. The Quality is Excellent and the price is fair. Making the kits up by hand is very time consuming, and requires a lot of belt inventory. Please keep this in mind when considering my prices. Reduced Shipping!" You can see for yourself that Fred claims to be selling belts which are Original Equipment Maker quality and size. I say he isn't. Those of us who follow this issue know that the very size he says he has, namely a capstan belt made to .030 thickness (see text above), is NOT Original Equipment Maker size, and almost certainly is not of the quality of the original Nak belt. Fred's listing is typical of the false representations which plague eBay. Maybe you're ok with that. I'm not. I'm working on the belt problem, I'll post the info when the tests are done on some other belts which are available. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 28 22:52:44 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:52:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: Below is what Fred claims from his ebay items. I don't see the word " O.E.M. SIZE " in it. Maybe yours is based on earlier ad. from Fred. Whether these belts are O.E.M. quality or not I cannot make a comment as I have not used them so far and I rely on forum members' comments from those who really used them. Thanks. Mike Hi Mike, The text I quoted was from a recent listing. If he has now removed the words "OEM size" from his listings, that's a step in the right direction, and shows the criticism is getting to him. I think people should be held to account for their claims on eBay. thanks, Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 28 23:33:11 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:33:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FREDS BELTS------FREDS BELTS------FREDS BELTS Message-ID: <460ADF17.1080102@marrscommunications.com> Hello, everyone, Man, this is really getting comical. Yes, Jeff is correct___AGAIN. As mentioned in a previous post, I do have the identical belt to the 80634 available, BUT the cross section is .034-.038? ( going on memory), so I never ordered any. Originally I DID quote OEM size. After I made the decision to use the smaller faced belt because of good results, I dropped the OEM size. I hope everyone noticed I dropped it on my own ,before someone made a issue about it. I sure never intended to stir up such a mess! Thanks all, Fred From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Mar 28 23:39:58 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:39:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... References: Message-ID: <00e701c77181$a269a1a0$0201a8c0@home> Seems like a lot of sour grapes to me! check his Feedback on the belts he's sold so far and he has a lot of happy campers. Give him his due, At least he made an effort to get the belts sorted! If anything its made the price of any of the original OEM Nak belts that are being horded, quadruple in value so everybody gains!!!!!!!!!!! Take off your Anoraks! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T... In a message dated 3/28/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: Below is what Fred claims from his ebay items. I don't see the word " O.E.M. SIZE " in it. Maybe yours is based on earlier ad. from Fred. Whether these belts are O.E.M. quality or not I cannot make a comment as I have not used them so far and I rely on forum members' comments from those who really used them. Thanks. Mike Hi Mike, The text I quoted was from a recent listing. If he has now removed the words "OEM size" from his listings, that's a step in the right direction, and shows the criticism is getting to him. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 23:48:38 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and BX 300 In-Reply-To: <20070328175144.TJEB1081.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <535072.35905.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi William, The only difference is the MR1 will have a higher output volume from your amp due to the higher gain imparted by the balanced connectors. I fthe decks output levels are matched with a test tone, then the decks will essentially sound same, provided the mechanics and electronics are the same. Other than that the BX 300 and the MR1 are very similar. wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net wrote: Hello Naktalk Just was wondering about the MR 1 and the BX 300. Do they sound the same, I know one has balance outputs and inputs. But do that make the MR 1 sound any different. Are the circuits the same. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 00:04:51 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336800.27960.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I see theres no free lunch. But why would I spend $4500 to have a small PCB issue rectified. All else with the deck was fine until the spark. I think even a rebuild should not ideally cost more than $1500 in the real world. The mechanism of all these decks are the same. the zxl has a lot more electronics. thats all. This is my humble opinion. It might be smarter to obtain 2-3 zxls and swap parts oneself to get a good perfect deck for $2000-3000. Still beats the heck out of $4500 for a refurb. I shall stay content with the CR7 and Dragons, I guess! until then. Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). 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URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 29 00:07:47 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:07:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) - solved In-Reply-To: <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> hello again it looks like i've fixed my problem! thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I don't have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed with it, I though I could do no harm! I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual indication of torque) this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on RW.. now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no folding tape and the FF autostop works now! I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any tape torque meters still available? thanks adrian On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > thanks for the help tom.. > > to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. > to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up > the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the > ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. > > he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... > it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to > mine (he delivered) > > so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape folding > > FF is fine but no autostop > > RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in or > out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not from > middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or sometimes > two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to function. > You can hear a relay function or something but then pause or > nothing happen. > > > I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. > > thanks again > > adrian > > > > > > On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: > >> Adrian, >> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >> photo >> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >> causing it >> to bind. >> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >> complex >> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >> lasting, but it >> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a >> tire is >> slipping? >> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >> take up >> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >> roller >> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >> beginning, but not >> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >> >> tom brucker >> >> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>> hello all >>> >>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>> >>> seemed like a good buy... >>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year >>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>> >>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>> >>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>> >>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>> >>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for >>> this.. >>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>> this is >>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>> >>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>> >>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I >>> hope I can. >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> adrian >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >> Tom Brucker CSM >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 29 00:23:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:23:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 and BX 300 In-Reply-To: <20070328175144.TJEB1081.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20070328175144.TJEB1081.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <460AEAF1.8020904@rcn.com> wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Hello Naktalk > Just was wondering about the MR 1 and the BX 300. Do they sound the same, I know one has balance outputs and inputs. But do that make the MR 1 sound any different. Are the circuits the same. Circuits are essentially the same. Both sound the same, as far as I could tell. Balanced outputs do not affect sound quality, though they do support long interconnects (applicable to studio/duplication work, immaterial for the home environment). -- Ron From wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 29 00:40:10 2007 From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net (wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:40:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR 1 and BX 300 Message-ID: <20070328224010.MAHL25695.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> I have been looking for the white dot on my MR 1. Where is it located. If the white dot is not there, than would it be the same as a the BX 300 just with balance in' s and out's From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 29 00:51:52 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:51:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: <675C7830-E632-4BFF-B888-A6AA20356ABB@alumni.caltech.edu> > But why would I spend $4500 to have a small PCB issue rectified. > All else with the deck was fine until the spark. I assumed this was for more than just 'fixing' the problem, but for a complete rebuild. I won't try to defend whether or not a rebuild should cost $1500 or $4500. At some point you're paying for a lot of expertise that may or may not be necessary in your (or any particular case). I was only trying to point out that you'd not likely find the holy grail of a perfect NOS 1000zxl for $4500. Personally, I hope to keep my 1000zxls running well enough that I won't need the rebuild for a while, save up, and hope ESL is still in business when I need it. But in the meantime, I'm obviously not contributing to keeping ESL solvent. I do think that when the time comes, and under the right circumstances, that would be a worthwhile solution. The main drawbacks for me are actually time (how long the deck will be out) and, most importantly, shipping which always carries a risk of damage. I don't want to be spending $4500 only to have it have to go back in for another 6 months and have the same risk. There's a lot to be debated on how much one wants to keep the deck "original" as well. For example, you might find some posts of mine that were looking for an odd chip for a 700zxl. It was sort of a stock chip, not a custom one, but it was also a bit weird and its functionality had been superseded by newer things. But to do use that would have engendered other problems--pinouts, etc., all of which could have been taken care of, but in the end I would have had something less that 'original' but probably equivalently functional. Various people differ on what they're willing to accept here. Clearly, if there were no case (I eventually found the chips, albeit by a different manufacturer, but they were fairly pricey--liek $40 a chip, vs. a $1 or two for most of the standard logic gates), I would have gone for the functional but not aesthetically correct solution; I just prefer the latter. Jeff G. (ESL) does pay a lot of rent as well as effort for storing a lot of old machines for parts. In the academic world I live in, "space the final frontier" really is where a lot of the money goes, probably second only to labor. A 100k pot may only cost $1, but having the one that fits on the PCB with the right length and size shaft may require having an old machine. Cosmetic parts are even worse--prone to degradation, damage, and loss while in storage and virtually impossible to replace (look at my posts looking for a Dragon bias knob, and, worse yet, a gold level control for a 1000zxl limited--even I'm not interested in spending $5000 for the latter!).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 00:55:51 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR 1 and BX 300 In-Reply-To: <20070328224010.MAHL25695.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <134507.49766.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's on the bottom cover somewhere, The location is mentioned on my web page. Search for "White dot" http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html And yes, if no white dot, then it's the same as the BX-300 except for the highier resolution meters on the MR-1, the Bias Tune on the BX-300, external noise reduction loop on the MR-1 as well as the front panel 1/4" balanced inputs, rear panel unbalanced In/Out and balanced XLR's In/Out. Other than that, they're the same. SJ wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net wrote: I have been looking for the white dot on my MR 1. Where is it located. If the white dot is not there, than would it be the same as a the BX 300 just with balance in' s and out's ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 03:20:45 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: <981772.5536.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. You are right about the odd parts not being damaged. I started work on my second ZXL recently and found that the VU meters fires up but does not work. A prod inside and one of the CMOS counters needed a replacement. Works like a charm now, and its busy keeping my son occupied! Usually I've seen some of the transistors, or the common 4580 op-amp go if not the CMOS logic gates. Bala. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:08:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). There ain't no free lunch.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 03:32:13 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The ZXL problem In-Reply-To: <981772.5536.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83357.31313.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, I think you are correct. When i pulled the emty battery tray out I did lift it up to facilitate removal, when the sparks started up..... and then the ticking began almost immediately. The ticking is definitely due to the azimuth motor, I determined. The displays are now sporadic too.( meters I meant) The play/ff/rew/etc.. buttons have no meaning anymore. I am in disbelief now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kimo, I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. You are right about the odd parts not being damaged. I started work on my second ZXL recently and found that the VU meters fires up but does not work. A prod inside and one of the CMOS counters needed a replacement. Works like a charm now, and its busy keeping my son occupied! Usually I've seen some of the transistors, or the common 4580 op-amp go if not the CMOS logic gates. Bala. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:08:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). There ain't no free lunch.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Mar 29 03:43:43 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:43:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Brown Glue Disease In-Reply-To: <200703280226.l2S2QE2I013057@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703280226.l2S2QE2I013057@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C93FBAD1B2AFA2-CAC-2B6E@WEBMAIL-DC18.sysops.aol.com> Hi All I've never heard it called that before, but fair enough. In my experience, the product used is like a contact cement applied to anchor heavy components (eg large electolytic caps) and wires (as mentioned by Scott) - colour is anywhere from yellow to brown. I have observed that the problem only occurs when the glue covers tracks or component leads that apply a DC voltage across the glue. I think electrolysis occurs, and the glue becomes more conductive over time, and copper tracks and component leads are attacked and sometimes removed in the process - often a greenish residue is left from copper. It typically takes 5-10 years for this effect to cause a problem in my experience, and it isn't just a Nakamichi problem - loads of Japanese consumer goods manufacturers used such glue. I haven't yet seen the effect without the presence of DC - any comments? Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 115 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 (jeff at eslabs.com) 2. Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 (Marrs Communications) 3. RE: Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 (Ken Mashlan) 4. Re: Nak 550 portable deck (Luis Peromarta) 5. Re: Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 (soumitra at soumitrab.com) 6. my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) (adrian at thegreatbear.net) 7. RX-505 pause button (David Zondag) 8. Re: RX-505 pause button (Scott Johnson) 9. Re: RX-505 pause button (shanti ramachandran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:11:41 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <015801c7708a$a0fea830$6801a8c0 at SONYLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Guys, The original Nakamichi belts are available from Electronics Service Labs. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Mashlan" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3,CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 Fred... I know this has been said before, but I would like to re-iterate. While MCM etc are a source for the Sankyo decks, anyone with a classic mechanism deck is facing the fact that there is currently only one known supplier of capstan belts - ESL. (Although I remember someone posting that they are keeping their stock for rebuilds...) If you or anyone else is able to supply a belt that will work, then I am all for it. I think your price is reasonable - especially if we apply the rules of supply and demand (some demand, but no supply!!!) I don't have the equipment to test these belts, and to some degree even if you test them and say they work there will still be sceptics. Is it possible for one of the respected members of the list that has a T100 etc (Tom maybe??? - I know there are others) to test one of the belts on a classic deck? If they were able to confirm that the belts work well, then I think you would go from potential shyster to saviour... Regards... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: March 27, 2007 8:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the Members, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:34:09 -0500 From: Marrs Communications Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <46094781.3000704 at marrscommunications.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Ken, I will be more than happy to forward a belt to Tom at Hi Tech. You name the machine. Just so there is no misunderstanding, please remember the face of the belt I am supplying is not as wide as the Nak 80634. I have had such good luck with this belt, I continued to use it. I can get a belt that DOES have the same face as the 80634 (0.250), but the cross section is around .040" which in my opinion, is not worthy of even trying so I have never ordered it. I will also check the performance as soon as my T-100 arrives. As to supply (order fill), to date, there has only been one part number B/O from my supplier, which was shipped within 2 weeks. I guess the future will tell when / if very large orders are placed. I am not only selling belts on eBay. I am also supplying some service people in quantities of a dozen sets at a time so have place some fairly large orders. Let me know which machine, and I will send a belt to Tom ASAP. Many thanks, Fred > ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was > correct AGAIN! __Fred > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times >> in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, >> you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in >> the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in >> the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order >> with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will >> continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing >> business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my >> product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if >> you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product >> you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your >> belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product >> that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the >> Members, Fred >> >> >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >>> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >>> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >>> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >>> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >>> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the >>> performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand >>> are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 >>> which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase >>> of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? >>> Thanks, Fred >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:05:22 -0700 From: Ken Mashlan Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey... I was just making a suggestion - Tom may be reading this thinking I have signed him up for something! - Tom - sorry if that is the case. He may or may not want to actually test it, or maybe someone else does. I was more suggesting that maybe you could ask the list if someone would be willing to test to give an "independent opinion". Jeff... Good to know that ESL is still an option! Regards... Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: March 27, 2007 9:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 Importance: High Hello Ken, I will be more than happy to forward a belt to Tom at Hi Tech. You name the machine. Just so there is no misunderstanding, please remember the face of the belt I am supplying is not as wide as the Nak 80634. I have had such good luck with this belt, I continued to use it. I can get a belt that DOES have the same face as the 80634 (0.250), but the cross section is around .040" which in my opinion, is not worthy of even trying so I have never ordered it. I will also check the performance as soon as my T-100 arrives. As to supply (order fill), to date, there has only been one part number B/O from my supplier, which was shipped within 2 weeks. I guess the future will tell when / if very large orders are placed. I am not only selling belts on eBay. I am also supplying some service people in quantities of a dozen sets at a time so have place some fairly large orders. Let me know which machine, and I will send a belt to Tom ASAP. Many thanks, Fred > ONE MORE THING. THE KIT PRICES ARE $21.95 AND $22.95. Jeff was > correct AGAIN! __Fred > > Marrs Communications wrote: > >> As usual, Jeff is correct AGAIN. As I have mentioned several times >> in previous post, the only problem with purchasing belts from MCM?, >> you are getting the SAME product (belts), you get from anyone else in >> the USA. Not so with mine!! I am the ONLY supplier of my product in >> the United States of America! Unless you are willing to place a order >> with my supplier for 2.2 million dollars of inventory, I will >> continue to be the only supplier. They have no interest in doing >> business in the US. Please NOTE: I will no longer be defending my >> product with this group because of Jeff. My product is available if >> you so desire. If you are currently happy with the quality of product >> you have been receiving and PRICE is you main concern, purchase your >> belts from MCM or whoever. On the other hand, if you want product >> that WORKS, give me a try. Have at it JEFF! __ Thanks to the >> Members, Fred >> >> >> >> Marrs Communications wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines >>> mentioned in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. >>> The kits do include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all >>> of my Nakamichi kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and >>> prices will remain the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should >>> arrive within 2 weeks. This will allow me to document the >>> performance of my belts. The test machines I currently have on hand >>> are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 >>> which uses the Nak transport. Are there any request for the purchase >>> of a Nak machine, not currently owned by myself for testing ? >>> Thanks, Fred >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:08:26 +0200 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 550 portable deck To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46094F8A.2040509 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi David, When you find the appropiate shoulder washers, could you point out the source? Thanks, LP. David Thompson wrote: > My 550 arrived today in pretty good condition and it plays and records well, > both line and mics. > Thanks Tom for your comments. Four of the shoulder washers have cracked and > I will look for replacements as you suggest. > > The one fault is that the shoulder strap with its support lugs is missing. > Does anyone happen to have a spare one lying around? > > David > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:57:35 +0530 From: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T-100 To: Message-ID: <001001c7709d$9975a970$0201a8c0 at sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Fred Could you also try for the DR2 and MR2 ? I own these machines and would love a couple to keep just in case one snaps. And if it has the No wow/flutter guarantee .. i guess that makes it as good as the original belt. Thanks and Best Regards Soumitra > Hello all, > I just want to let everyone know, belt kits for the machines mentioned > in the subject line are now available and listed on eBay. The kits do > include the: NO WOW/FLUTTER GUARANTEE. Coming soon, all of my Nakamichi > kits will include the idler tire at NO CHARGE, and prices will remain > the same. I have purchased a T-100 which should arrive within 2 weeks. > This will allow me to document the performance of my belts. The test > machines I currently have on hand are as follows: CR-3, 680ZX, 682ZX, > DR-1 and Harman Kardon CD-491 which uses the Nak transport. Are there > any request for the purchase of a Nak machine, not currently owned by > myself for testing ? Thanks, Fred ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:08:15 +0100 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II (FF no autostop and RW folds tape?) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <6D007E92-E151-4E6E-811B-446C946B07B0 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hello all just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... seemed like a good buy... owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. FF and RW seem fast though.. i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons for this.. the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. this is something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I hope I can. thanks adrian ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:43:17 -0500 From: David Zondag Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <73A806B7-0583-46B2-BCB3-2F8229149C84 at altelco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <711529.44013.qm at web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. The pause button stays dimly lit at all times but it still operates as it should.I should mention that I recently installed a new idler tire and replaced all of the orange caps.The problem did not exist before the repair.If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070327/7f0652cc/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <431508.55983.qm at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think thats exactly what happened with my 1000zxl the other day. i took out the battery compartment (empty) and saw sparks fly out and the cam motor is now stuck in the rewind position and the azimuth motor goes tick.tick.tick. thats it. The display is sporadic and the control buttons all are ineffective. Tom Brucker is trouble shooting this one for me. Any opinions folks? ESL wanted $3500-$4500 for a full make over for this unit. I shall rather acquire a zxl limited brand new if I could afford that kind of money. thanks folks for all your help. Ram Scott Johnson wrote: That's a funny one and kinda sounds like brown glue disease. The glue Nakamichi used to tack wires and some components down to the board turns conductive over time. I've experienced many problems with brown glue in Nakamichis. Most notably in the MR-1's fuse board which effects the VU meters, but, that's a different problem. It's weird that you say it wasn't like that before. I still think it's brown glue. Try cleaning the Main board (and button board) around where you worked with IPA (97% or greater) to remove the flux. Typically flux is non conductive, but, I've used some liquid fluxes that were highly conductive and absolutely had to be cleaned off before powering up the circuit. SJ David Zondag wrote: Hi All I searched some of the archives but did not find anything relating to the problem I am having with my 505. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 04:32:43 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The ZXL problem Message-ID: <196996.78342.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, The insulator at the bottom of the power Supply board only covers the big filter caps. And if that cover was not put in place, you can get some surprises! This seems to me to be a power issue. Have you tried putting an external signal (say from the Mac dvd player) and see if there is sound if the switch is set to source? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:32:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ZXL problem Bala, I think you are correct. When i pulled the emty battery tray out I did lift it up to facilitate removal, when the sparks started up..... and then the ticking began almost immediately. The ticking is definitely due to the azimuth motor, I determined. The displays are now sporadic too.( meters I meant) The play/ff/rew/etc.. buttons have no meaning anymore. I am in disbelief now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kimo, I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. You are right about the odd parts not being damaged. I started work on my second ZXL recently and found that the VU meters fires up but does not work. A prod inside and one of the CMOS counters needed a replacement. Works like a charm now, and its busy keeping my son occupied! Usually I've seen some of the transistors, or the common 4580 op-amp go if not the CMOS logic gates. Bala. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:08:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). There ain't no free lunch.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:32:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The ZXL problem Bala, I think you are correct. When i pulled the emty battery tray out I did lift it up to facilitate removal, when the sparks started up..... and then the ticking began almost immediately. The ticking is definitely due to the azimuth motor, I determined. The displays are now sporadic too.( meters I meant) The play/ff/rew/etc.. buttons have no meaning anymore. I am in disbelief now! Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kimo, I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. You are right about the odd parts not being damaged. I started work on my second ZXL recently and found that the VU meters fires up but does not work. A prod inside and one of the CMOS counters needed a replacement. Works like a charm now, and its busy keeping my son occupied! Usually I've seen some of the transistors, or the common 4580 op-amp go if not the CMOS logic gates. Bala. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:08:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button I don't think the brown glue is conductive enough for sparks from 2 penlights. That sounds more like solder shorted somewhere on the +12 line. Perhaps a solder blot on the bottom of the battery tray fell on the logic board or something like that... Other than that it could depend on what the shield boards are and how they were put in, especially the one under the main PCB (although this sounds more like an issue on the logic PCB). The good news is the actual parts, if any, that are damaged, are likely to be fairly stock and straight- forward. The odd parts are generally not damaged in these kinds of things. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find a new 1000zxl for $4500. It may have been $3800 new in 1979 or so, but between the collector status, etc. as well as inflation and ebay-flation, I don't think it would be that today. And its belts at least and maybe tires would all be bad, as well as perhaps it's electrolytics so you'd still end up spending antoher $4500 to ESL to rebuild it :-). 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I will say that I'd be very perplexed if Fred decided that this forum wasn't worth all the crap and bowed out, especially as we've been given no information about you pending belt "solution." Perhaps I just have unresolved issues with watching people get jerked around. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lenaw at flash.net writes: > > Jeff: > Below is what Fred claims from his ebay items. I don't see > the word " O.E.M. SIZE " in it. Maybe yours is based on earlier > ad. from Fred. Whether these belts are O.E.M. quality or not I > cannot make a comment as I have not used them so far and I rely on > forum members' comments from those who really used them. Thanks. > > > Mike > > > Hi Mike, > The text I quoted was from a recent listing. If he has now removed > the words "OEM size" from his listings, that's a step in the right > direction, and shows the criticism is getting to him. I think people > should be held to account for their claims on eBay. > thanks, > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 29 05:41:49 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:41:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5, CR-7A and Dragon / T... In-Reply-To: <00e701c77181$a269a1a0$0201a8c0@home> References: <00e701c77181$a269a1a0$0201a8c0@home> Message-ID: <460B357D.2060009@snet.net> I just decided to offer ten of my classic capstan belts to the world at $100 each! Get them while you can, they are OEM... nothin but the real thing. Supplies limited so write me now! There, that'll either divert attention or pay for most of the ZX-7 I might own someday ; ) Ed! Terry Finn wrote: > Seems like a lot of sour grapes to me! check his Feedback on the belts > he's sold so far > and he has a lot of happy campers. Give him his due, At least he made > an effort to get the belts sorted! > > If anything its made the price of any of the original OEM Nak belts > that are being horded, quadruple in value > > so everybody gains!!!!!!!!!!! Take off your Anoraks! > > T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and > Dragon / T... > > In a message dated 3/28/2007 1:24:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lenaw at flash.net writes: > > Jeff: > Below is what Fred claims from his ebay items. I don't > see the word " O.E.M. SIZE " in it. Maybe yours is based on > earlier ad. from Fred. Whether these belts are O.E.M. quality > or not I cannot make a comment as I have not used them so far > and I rely on forum members' comments from those who really > used them. Thanks. > > > Mike > > > Hi Mike, > The text I quoted was from a recent listing. If he has now > removed the words "OEM size" from his listings, that's a step in > the right direction, and shows the criticism is getting to him. I > think people should be held to account for their claims on eBay. > thanks, > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/07 16:38 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.short at nstarch.com Thu Mar 29 05:48:59 2007 From: martin.short at nstarch.com (martin.short at nstarch.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:48:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk] Brown Glue Disease In-Reply-To: <200703290145.l2T1jJA8028838@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "I've never heard it called that before, but fair enough. In my experience, the product used is like a contact cement applied to anchor heavy components (eg large electolytic caps) and wires (as mentioned by Scott) - colour is anywhere from yellow to brown. I have observed that the problem only occurs when the glue covers tracks or component leads that apply a DC voltage across the glue. I think electrolysis occurs, and the glue becomes more conductive over time, and copper tracks and component leads are attacked and sometimes removed in the process - often a greenish residue is left from copper. It typically takes 5-10 years for this effect to cause a problem in my experience, and it isn't just a Nakamichi problem - loads of Japanese consumer goods manufacturers used such glue. I haven't yet seen the effect without the presence of DC - any comments?" John, Scott et all, The brown glue is typically a neoprene cement..used as an anchorage, anti rattle/drum/vibration compound. They are relatively cheap, fast drying, easy to use. Two things happen: 1) Neoprenes typically breakdown with age.. under light and/or heat, and one of the by-products is HCl.. hydrochloric acid.. hence the gradual erosion of the copper tracks if close by.. and the green residue. 2) Neoprenes and Copper do not like each other.. the copper accelerates the breakdown process... the glues goes through a sticky phase before finally crystallising and decomposing to a yellow/brown powder. I dont recall this 'gunk' in my classic decks ( except for anchoring the odd spring), but certainly it is present in some of the later machines, made outside Japan, where speed of assembly and low cost was paramount. cheers, MS IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email may be confidential, may be legally privileged, and is for the intended recipient only. Unauthorized access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Mar 29 09:25:23 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:25:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 shoulder washers Message-ID: Luis It seems that comparable shoulder washers for the portable Nak 550 are nigh impossible to find. However, I found a couple of substitutes today. At a camping supplies store I found some cup washers that fit well though a little smaller in diameter and silver in color. Then at a car parts store I found packs of 'scrivet clips 6mm' in black plastic. These have a split shaft that goes into a hole and then a screw is pushed in to lock it. By removing the screw and cutting off the shaft to an appropriate height it fits quite nicely with the original screw and is not so noticeably different. It has the same outside diameter and screw hole. I looked inside the deck last night and is is very cleverly constructed. The capstan belt is thin and white in color and may be original. Its condition appears OK. Are replacement belts for this model available anywhere? Now I would be very grateful if someone could sell me a replacement shoulder strap! David > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:08:26 +0200 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 550 portable deck > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <46094F8A.2040509 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Hi David, > When you find the appropiate shoulder washers, could you point out the > source? > Thanks, LP. > David Thompson wrote: > My 550 arrived today in pretty good condition and it plays and records well, > both line and mics. > Thanks Tom for your comments. Four of the shoulder washers have cracked and > I will look for replacements as you suggest. > > The one fault is that the shoulder strap with its support lugs is missing. > Does anyone happen to have a spare one lying around? > > David From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 29 13:33:16 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:33:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved! In-Reply-To: <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <7AA3716F-47EA-4913-A39A-51DDBD3BD105@thegreatbear.net> hello again mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both directions ok now but I now have some other problems.. the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record, pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!! I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam pad to gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts for the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could put too much pressure on the PCB joints.. I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first. I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other makes still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son Ltd. can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. Am I right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range for the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable? DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to check for waving or slippage? My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel ones? thanks adrian p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok? On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hello again > > it looks like i've fixed my problem! > > thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I don't > have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed > with it, I though I could do no harm! > > I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the > brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual > indication of torque) > > this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on RW.. > > now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually > increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my > guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no > folding tape and the FF autostop works now! > > I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any > tape torque meters still available? > > > thanks > > adrian > > > On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > >> thanks for the help tom.. >> >> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. >> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up >> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the >> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. >> >> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... >> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to >> mine (he delivered) >> >> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape folding >> >> FF is fine but no autostop >> >> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in >> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not >> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or >> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to >> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then >> pause or nothing happen. >> >> >> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. >> >> thanks again >> >> adrian >> >> >> >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: >> >>> Adrian, >>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >>> photo >>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >>> causing it >>> to bind. >>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >>> complex >>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >>> lasting, but it >>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a >>> tire is >>> slipping? >>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >>> take up >>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >>> roller >>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >>> beginning, but not >>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>> hello all >>>> >>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>>> >>>> seemed like a good buy... >>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year >>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>>> >>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>>> >>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>>> >>>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>>> >>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons >>>> for this.. >>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>>> this is >>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>>> >>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>>> >>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I >>>> hope I can. >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> adrian >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>> Tom Brucker CSM >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 29 16:32:44 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:32:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak / BX100 thru 300 & CR-3, CR-5,CR-7A and Dragon / T... In-Reply-To: <460B357D.2060009@snet.net> References: <00e701c77181$a269a1a0$0201a8c0@home> <00e701c77181$a269a1a0$0201a8c0@home> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329083244.00876b10@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3995 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 29 16:54:31 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:54:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved! In-Reply-To: <7AA3716F-47EA-4913-A39A-51DDBD3BD105@thegreatbear.net> References: <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> With a pointy tool apply a bit of pressure to each gold finger inside the connector so that the finger ends up a bit closer to the middle. Get rid of the foam. There may be a sheen of silicone polish causing the touch controls to be internittent. Detergent cleaning? The Teac torque gauge is the standard...that was what Nak shipped. I did not know there were different versions. They type I have has 0-120 gram-cm scales, and "SRK-CT" on it. The tape travel cassette, or open cassette is also ok from Teac. It has a mirror that permits viewing the tape as it moves across the head and guides. Small amounts of tape curl can be easily detected. The more likely pinch roller problem is cotton stuck in the bearings. Inspect. There is a gentleman on eBay that rebuilds all pinchrollers for a flat amount. I have heard he does a good job. If the rubber is crowned, or has deep grooves, you may need rollers, but a deck in this condition would have serious head wear. The 700 and 1000 calibrate, in theory, as well as, say a 680, but in practice the 20kHz playback stability is not as good as later decks. When I set these up I adjust for flat at 18kHz, and expect 20kHz to be -2dB or better. Adjusting the bias to get flat at 20 often increases the harmonic distortion beyond spec, which has a detrimental effect on recording. The deck also may be set for CrO2 tape. Check the rear panel record cal control adjustments. The 700 and 1000 are worth owning for their beauty, mic inputs (1000 has a blend mic fader), pitch control, and solid transport. tom brucker At 12:33 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >hello again > >mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both >directions ok now but I now have some other problems.. > > >the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record, >pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes >pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!! >I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later >and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam pad to >gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts for >the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could >put too much pressure on the PCB joints.. > >I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF >compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as >long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape >mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first. > >I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according >to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual >states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other makes >still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son Ltd. >can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. Am I >right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range for >the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable? > >DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can >the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to check >for waving or slippage? > >My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and >definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my >options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel ones? > > >thanks > >adrian > >p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok? > > > > >On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > >> hello again >> >> it looks like i've fixed my problem! >> >> thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I don't >> have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed >> with it, I though I could do no harm! >> >> I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the >> brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual >> indication of torque) >> >> this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on RW.. >> >> now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually >> increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my >> guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no >> folding tape and the FF autostop works now! >> >> I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any >> tape torque meters still available? >> >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> >>> thanks for the help tom.. >>> >>> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. >>> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up >>> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the >>> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. >>> >>> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... >>> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to >>> mine (he delivered) >>> >>> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape folding >>> >>> FF is fine but no autostop >>> >>> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in >>> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not >>> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or >>> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to >>> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then >>> pause or nothing happen. >>> >>> >>> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. >>> >>> thanks again >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: >>> >>>> Adrian, >>>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >>>> photo >>>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >>>> causing it >>>> to bind. >>>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >>>> complex >>>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >>>> lasting, but it >>>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a >>>> tire is >>>> slipping? >>>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >>>> take up >>>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >>>> roller >>>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >>>> beginning, but not >>>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >>>> >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>>> hello all >>>>> >>>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>>>> >>>>> seemed like a good buy... >>>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last year >>>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>>>> >>>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>>>> >>>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>>>> >>>>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>>>> >>>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >>>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons >>>>> for this.. >>>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>>>> this is >>>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>>>> >>>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>>>> >>>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working properly.. I >>>>> hope I can. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> adrian >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>> Tom Brucker CSM >>>> Hi Tech Service >>>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 29 17:20:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:20:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329092013.00877600@earthlink.net> I'll try to address the specific knob questions. All decks have a provision for PLAY azimuth adjustment. The traditional screw beside the head can always be adjusted by anyone with an azimuth reference cassette and an AC voltmeter (dual channel) . The Nakamichi 600II was the first deck to offer up a suggestion that the owner might WANT to adjust the azimuth. The particular screw they used wandered easily out of adjustment! The x80 series introduced a head block with toothed nylon knobs for azimuth, height, and tilt adjustments. To allow this degree of adjustment meant moving the tape guides away from the heads themselves (Nakamichi discovered the cassette pressure pad was better off not used). Nakamichi constructed a very expensive set of mechanical gauges to set head and guide alignments, absolutely required to maintain these decks. The good news was the toothed wheels did not drift out of adjustment. The bad news is owners used screwdrivers and played with the adjustments! An MR1, the professional 3 head, is almost always in need of head alignment when purchased used. Auto azimuth and the ZX were adjuncts to the head block, and these decks were equipped with +20dB boosts in the metering that allowed the owner to fine adjust RECORD head azimuth....a very different animal. Record head azimuth only requires that the play head be aligned and remain fixed. In the real world, owners tended to fool with the toothed wheels on the record head. The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker At 05:57 AM 3/28/07 -0700, you wrote: >Hello to everyone. I've only recently joined up here so bear with my >questions-I'm working back through the archived messages fast as I >can. >I'm also only recently researching Naks because of a project I'm >working on sooooo...no Nak for me yet until I work out various >details. > >Anyways, here's the questions. > >-Some Naks use a knob to allow the user to dial in the playback >azimuth head for tapes. From my reading, the Dragon however does this >automatically for playback. Is this true and just exactly how does it >do this? > >-In regards to the Dragons playback azimuth adjustment...someone here >in an old message I came across (can't remember how long ago) >mentioned something that made it sound as if the Dragon constantly >re-adjusts the playback head azimuth _during_ playback (meaning >dynamically, while static would mean it sets at the beginning and >keeps it the same). So is this true? > >-Does the azimuth positioning change that much over the course of the >playback of one side of a tape? I mean, if I manually adjust the >playback azimuth at the beginning of a tape, and then check towards >the end is it going to be off by that much? > >-There seems to be a consensus here (from reading old messages) that >adjusting the playback azimuth is better on a unit that has an >external knob as opposed to using the adjustment screw on a unit that >doesn't have an external knob. I'm curious as to why this should be >as I knew plenty of "old timers" (no offense) who had no problems >using the screw on units (may have been Naks, or not...don't remember) >to make this adjustment when needed on playback. As far as I know >from way back when, I never knew them to have any long term problems >with their decks. Other than the fact that there is a knob, is there >something different with the gearing or stability, or is it just a >matter of the knob being more of a convenience? > >Hopefully this isn't too much to start out with. I'm sure I'll have >other questions to bring up. ;) Thanks for everyone's feedback. > >___________________________________________________________ >Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. >Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 16:33:49 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329092013.00877600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <979579.2866.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom Dragon would not try to adjust tamborine moving across stage to center that - you forgot Dragon checks phase in the same channel - not left and right! So Dragon is exceptional in azimuth adjustment - I do not think any other deck would do this good because of just 6 Channel head with channel split on 0.8 micron gap head. Kannan Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! 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Cheekily yours ian r From: Subject: MR 1 and BX 300 I have been looking for the white dot on my MR 1. Where is it located. If the white dot is not there, than would it be the same as a the BX 300 just with balance in' s and out's From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 17:51:16 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? Message-ID: <445765.20249.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. 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Then at a car parts > store I > found packs of 'scrivet clips 6mm' in black plastic. These have a > split > shaft that goes into a hole and then a screw is pushed in to lock > it. By > removing the screw and cutting off the shaft to an appropriate > height it > fits quite nicely with the original screw and is not so noticeably > different. It has the same outside diameter and screw hole. > > I looked inside the deck last night and is is very cleverly > constructed. The > capstan belt is thin and white in color and may be original. Its > condition > appears OK. Are replacement belts for this model available anywhere? > > Now I would be very grateful if someone could sell me a replacement > shoulder > strap! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 29 21:28:08 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:28:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: <5A37E0CB-0DF6-4C5C-9F62-F63F2B57DFB0@alumni.caltech.edu> > I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since > it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the > PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this > basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all > connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. Yes, that actually sounds like a much more plausible scenario than mine.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Mar 29 22:12:57 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:12:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> References: <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <97C4DD39-83DB-4E05-8E0F-5337A8C12CF1@thegreatbear.net> i'll look at each contact more carefully next time I open it up.. I cannot see anything caught around the pinch roller bearings, Tom, but what I can see somthing maybe more worrying: the top capstan shaft is not running true.. it's got a very slight wobble in it, you can see this quite clearly. I've managed to make a little movie of it, have a look here: http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/700II_capstan.MOV it's not the best, but you can make out the wobble, look at it's shadow about too.. the previous owner replaced the capstan belt, so he would have removed each flywheel and capstan, could a shaft have got bent or is it more likely to be the bearing? using Luis's calibration tapes I can't hear any obvious speed variation, but I can definately hear level variation in recordings... adrian On 29 Mar 2007, at 15:54, Hi Tech wrote: > With a pointy tool apply a bit of pressure to each gold finger > inside the > connector so that the finger ends up a bit closer to the middle. > Get rid of > the foam. There may be a sheen of silicone polish causing the touch > controls to be internittent. Detergent cleaning? > The Teac torque gauge is the standard...that was what Nak shipped. > I did > not know there were different versions. They type I have has 0-120 > gram-cm > scales, and "SRK-CT" on it. The tape travel cassette, or open > cassette is > also ok from Teac. It has a mirror that permits viewing the tape as it > moves across the head and guides. Small amounts of tape curl can be > easily > detected. The more likely pinch roller problem is cotton stuck in > the > bearings. Inspect. There is a gentleman on eBay that rebuilds all > pinchrollers for a flat amount. I have heard he does a good job. If > the > rubber is crowned, or has deep grooves, you may need rollers, but a > deck in > this condition would have serious head wear. > The 700 and 1000 calibrate, in theory, as well as, say a > 680, but in > practice the 20kHz playback stability is not as good as later > decks. When I > set these up I adjust for flat at 18kHz, and expect 20kHz to be > -2dB or > better. Adjusting the bias to get flat at 20 often increases the > harmonic > distortion beyond spec, which has a detrimental effect on > recording. The > deck also may be set for CrO2 tape. Check the rear panel record cal > control > adjustments. > The 700 and 1000 are worth owning for their beauty, mic inputs > (1000 has > a blend mic fader), pitch control, and solid transport. > tom brucker > > > At 12:33 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >> hello again >> >> mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both >> directions ok now but I now have some other problems.. >> >> >> the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record, >> pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes >> pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!! >> I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later >> and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam pad to >> gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts for >> the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could >> put too much pressure on the PCB joints.. >> >> I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF >> compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as >> long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape >> mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first. >> >> I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according >> to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual >> states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other makes >> still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son Ltd. >> can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. Am I >> right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range for >> the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable? >> >> DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can >> the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to check >> for waving or slippage? >> >> My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and >> definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my >> options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel ones? >> >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> >> p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok? >> >> >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> >>> hello again >>> >>> it looks like i've fixed my problem! >>> >>> thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I don't >>> have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed >>> with it, I though I could do no harm! >>> >>> I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the >>> brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual >>> indication of torque) >>> >>> this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on >>> RW.. >>> >>> now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually >>> increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my >>> guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no >>> folding tape and the FF autostop works now! >>> >>> I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any >>> tape torque meters still available? >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for the help tom.. >>>> >>>> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. >>>> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up >>>> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the >>>> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. >>>> >>>> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... >>>> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to >>>> mine (he delivered) >>>> >>>> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape >>>> folding >>>> >>>> FF is fine but no autostop >>>> >>>> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in >>>> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not >>>> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or >>>> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to >>>> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then >>>> pause or nothing happen. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. >>>> >>>> thanks again >>>> >>>> adrian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: >>>> >>>>> Adrian, >>>>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >>>>> photo >>>>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >>>>> causing it >>>>> to bind. >>>>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >>>>> complex >>>>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >>>>> lasting, but it >>>>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a >>>>> tire is >>>>> slipping? >>>>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >>>>> take up >>>>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >>>>> roller >>>>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >>>>> beginning, but not >>>>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >>>>> >>>>> tom brucker >>>>> >>>>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>>>> hello all >>>>>> >>>>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>>>>> >>>>>> seemed like a good buy... >>>>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last >>>>>> year >>>>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>>>>> >>>>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>>>>> >>>>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>>>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>>>>> >>>>>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>>>>> >>>>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >>>>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons >>>>>> for this.. >>>>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>>>>> this is >>>>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>>>>> >>>>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>>>>> >>>>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working >>>>>> properly.. I >>>>>> hope I can. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> adrian >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>>> naktalk >>>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>>> >>>>> Tom Brucker CSM >>>>> Hi Tech Service >>>>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>>>> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>>> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>>> naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Mar 29 22:21:45 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:21:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original selling prices Message-ID: <20070329202156.LICO13364.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Is there a link available that would show the original retail price of Nak decks, especially the BX300? From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 01:21:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] teac torque gauges In-Reply-To: <6F314776-7B12-4C15-85EF-31D5C9389758@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00877dc0@earthlink.net> MTT8131 would be the standard torque gauge. If you'd like I can check the US prices. 70 pounds might be a bit high. tom brucker At 03:35 PM 3/29/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >thanks tom for your help with the 700II... > >here's a link showing the range of Teac torque cassettes: > >http://mahaeng.com/teac/MTT-8101%7E8422.htm > >The code of the one that I can order in the UK (around £70 GBP >though!) is MTT 8131 > >would this be suitable for my 700II? > > > > > >thanks > >adrian >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 01:21:38 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? In-Reply-To: <445765.20249.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00878810@earthlink.net> If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a replacement head and examine it under a microscope. tom brucker At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.========---------------------------------------------------------===== ==== Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri Mar 30 00:26:42 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:26:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Original selling prices References: <20070329202156.LICO13364.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <02a701c77251$541ad2f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Check this out on the Jeff Galin ESL site ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" To: "Nakamichi Gurus" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Original selling prices > Is there a link available that would show the original retail price of Nak > decks, especially the BX300? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: > 28/03/2007 16:23 > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 00:28:58 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:28:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] teac torque gauges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00877dc0@earthlink.net> References: <6F314776-7B12-4C15-85EF-31D5C9389758@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00877dc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110703291528n7c5670e8lfeb4f1c975b94811@mail.gmail.com> I'd be interested in US prices as well -Tim On 3/29/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > MTT8131 would be the standard torque gauge. If you'd like I can check the > US prices. 70 pounds might be a bit high. > > tom brucker > > At 03:35 PM 3/29/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > >thanks tom for your help with the 700II... > > > >here's a link showing the range of Teac torque cassettes: > > > >http://mahaeng.com/teac/MTT-8101%7E8422.htm > > > >The code of the one that I can order in the UK (around £70 GBP > >though!) is MTT 8131 > > > >would this be suitable for my 700II? > > > > > > > > > > > >thanks > > > >adrian > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 01:34:04 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:34:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] my new 700 II more problems, not so quickly solved! In-Reply-To: <97C4DD39-83DB-4E05-8E0F-5337A8C12CF1@thegreatbear.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070328095105.00876620@earthlink.net> <7DDB9026-D479-42AE-A2EC-4ABB4532D0BE@thegreatbear.net> <9FDFB5D7-4516-4CEB-B41C-FA5DDDFBD016@thegreatbear.net> <3.0.3.32.20070329085431.00877100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070329173404.00881460@earthlink.net> Adrian, I can't watch your movie. A capstan can be bent when it is slid backwards, but not removed from the bearing. To verify, remove the 2 screws and the pitch knob on the azimuth plate. Watch the pinchroller in play if it moves to and fro, then the capstan is bent. I do not understand why the deck has no wow. Take a scrap cassette and cut the plastic on 1/2 of the shell so the area around the heads is exposed. Be sure not to remove the guides at each edge of the cassette. Remove the pressure pad. Load this "open cassette" into the deck and play. If the tape seems to curl away from the top or bottom edge of the head, try pulling the bent capstans pinch roller back a bit with a small tool. If the tape curl ceases, then you know the cause. If not, there may be tension or guide issues. The test bench method of verifying a bent capstan would be to use the Information Terminals M-300 jig as a master plane jig. It has a block that can verify what is perpendicular to the cassette,and what lies at an angle. tom brucker At 09:12 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >i'll look at each contact more carefully next time I open it up.. > >I cannot see anything caught around the pinch roller bearings, Tom, >but what I can see somthing maybe more worrying: > > >the top capstan shaft is not running true.. it's got a very slight >wobble in it, you can see this quite clearly. > >I've managed to make a little movie of it, have a look here: > >http://uglypc.ggh.org.uk/ebay/700II_capstan.MOV > >it's not the best, but you can make out the wobble, look at it's >shadow about too.. > >the previous owner replaced the capstan belt, so he would have >removed each flywheel and capstan, could a shaft have got bent or is >it more likely to be the bearing? > >using Luis's calibration tapes I can't hear any obvious speed >variation, but I can definately hear level variation in recordings... > > > >adrian > > > > >On 29 Mar 2007, at 15:54, Hi Tech wrote: > >> With a pointy tool apply a bit of pressure to each gold finger >> inside the >> connector so that the finger ends up a bit closer to the middle. >> Get rid of >> the foam. There may be a sheen of silicone polish causing the touch >> controls to be internittent. Detergent cleaning? >> The Teac torque gauge is the standard...that was what Nak shipped. >> I did >> not know there were different versions. They type I have has 0-120 >> gram-cm >> scales, and "SRK-CT" on it. The tape travel cassette, or open >> cassette is >> also ok from Teac. It has a mirror that permits viewing the tape as it >> moves across the head and guides. Small amounts of tape curl can be >> easily >> detected. The more likely pinch roller problem is cotton stuck in >> the >> bearings. Inspect. There is a gentleman on eBay that rebuilds all >> pinchrollers for a flat amount. I have heard he does a good job. If >> the >> rubber is crowned, or has deep grooves, you may need rollers, but a >> deck in >> this condition would have serious head wear. >> The 700 and 1000 calibrate, in theory, as well as, say a >> 680, but in >> practice the 20kHz playback stability is not as good as later >> decks. When I >> set these up I adjust for flat at 18kHz, and expect 20kHz to be >> -2dB or >> better. Adjusting the bias to get flat at 20 often increases the >> harmonic >> distortion beyond spec, which has a detrimental effect on >> recording. The >> deck also may be set for CrO2 tape. Check the rear panel record cal >> control >> adjustments. >> The 700 and 1000 are worth owning for their beauty, mic inputs >> (1000 has >> a blend mic fader), pitch control, and solid transport. >> tom brucker >> >> >> At 12:33 PM 3/29/07 +0100, you wrote: >>> hello again >>> >>> mmm.. well i've got the RW and FF working and autostopping both >>> directions ok now but I now have some other problems.. >>> >>> >>> the transport controls still are not 100%... play, stop, record, >>> pause are ok but rewind and ff do not always function. Sometimes >>> pressing the RW touch pad makes the FF function!! >>> I'll carefully bend the pins of the associated connector out later >>> and clean again. The previous owner had used some sticky foam pad to >>> gently force the slide in connector towards the outside contacts for >>> the transport controls.. i don't like the idea of this as it could >>> put too much pressure on the PCB joints.. >>> >>> I've also noticed a level fluctuation in recordings and lack of HF >>> compared to original.. It hasn't had an electrical alignment for as >>> long as i know so this is on the books but I need to get the tape >>> mechnanism functioning as near as normal as I can first. >>> >>> I'm keen to get the FF and RW torque set correctly, which according >>> to the service manual then controls the takeup torque. The manual >>> states Nakamichi DA09013A - torque gauge but I've noticed other makes >>> still available.. In the UK one big supplies, Charles Hyde & Son Ltd. >>> can supply a Teac torque meter but they don't specify which one. Am I >>> right in thinking as long as it can measure in the correct range for >>> the 700II (around 40 - 60 g-cm) it should be suitable? >>> >>> DA09011A - tape travelling gauge is also specified in the S.M., can >>> the DIY version in the 480 S.M. be substituted successfully to check >>> for waving or slippage? >>> >>> My last question.. B&W have very few spares for these left and >>> definately no pressure rollers.. if mine need replacing what are my >>> options? Can cassette type ones be 'remade' like reel to reel ones? >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> p.s. bala did you get the PDF's ok? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 23:07, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>> >>>> hello again >>>> >>>> it looks like i've fixed my problem! >>>> >>>> thanks to tom's advice I had a look at the takeup torque.. I don't >>>> have a tape torque meter but since the previous owner had messed >>>> with it, I though I could do no harm! >>>> >>>> I reduced the torque on both reels slightly (you have to lower the >>>> brake drum assemblies on this Nak, so you have a slight visual >>>> indication of torque) >>>> >>>> this fixed the RW problem, stopping both reels turning at once on >>>> RW.. >>>> >>>> now though it wouldn't fully FF or RW a tape, so I gradually >>>> increased the torque, using the gap under the brake drums as my >>>> guide. I seem to have got it about right now. Good FF and RW, no >>>> folding tape and the FF autostop works now! >>>> >>>> I'd like to cheque the torque accurately though.. are there any >>>> tape torque meters still available? >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> adrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:44, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks for the help tom.. >>>>> >>>>> to clarify a little more, B&W only sold the full belt kit and S.M. >>>>> to the previous owner who then replaced these himself, cleaned up >>>>> the PCB contacts and adjusted the torque, i think he also had the >>>>> ball drive assembly apart too for a similiar issue.. >>>>> >>>>> he assured me the tape spill / folding had been solved until now... >>>>> it did have what was probably a bumpy journey from his house to >>>>> mine (he delivered) >>>>> >>>>> so far in my testing play and record functions well, no tape >>>>> folding >>>>> >>>>> FF is fine but no autostop >>>>> >>>>> RW is fast and autostop OK.. both reels spin though with tape in >>>>> or out, folds tape badly when winding from the end of a C90 not >>>>> from middle or near the start. It also takes a few seconds or >>>>> sometimes two attempts after touching the rewind button for it to >>>>> function. You can hear a relay function or something but then >>>>> pause or nothing happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll check the belts and tyres later tonight.. >>>>> >>>>> thanks again >>>>> >>>>> adrian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:51, Hi Tech wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Adrian, >>>>>> Auto stop is a thin belt driving a slotted wheel breaking a >>>>>> photo >>>>>> cell. Make sure the belt isn't beneath the take up reel spindle, >>>>>> causing it >>>>>> to bind. >>>>>> In rewind only the bottom reel spins. Torque is determined by a >>>>>> complex >>>>>> reel idler and dual clutch. Fortunately this thing is long >>>>>> lasting, but it >>>>>> does have a belt and two tires. Since B&W put in belts, perhaps a >>>>>> tire is >>>>>> slipping? >>>>>> The tape fold is serious. A torque meter could confirm proper >>>>>> take up >>>>>> torque. Worn or dirty pinch rollers, or cotton fuzz in the pinch >>>>>> roller >>>>>> bearing could cause the tape to fold. If it folds at the >>>>>> beginning, but not >>>>>> in the middle, then the take up torque is too high. >>>>>> >>>>>> tom brucker >>>>>> >>>>>> At 09:08 PM 3/27/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >>>>>>> hello all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> just added a beautiful 700 II to my collection... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> seemed like a good buy... >>>>>>> owner had bought an original service manual and belt kit last >>>>>>> year >>>>>>> from B&W and fitted the belts and stopped there.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it plays and records well but in FF it doesn't auto stop.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in RW the issue's worse as you can see the tape folding and not >>>>>>> winding smoothly on the reels.. this soon stops the mech.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FF and RW seem fast though.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i've had a quick look at the service manual - for the FF shutoff >>>>>>> problem it suggests excess ripple of +12V and various reasons >>>>>>> for this.. >>>>>>> the other problem is not mentioned but torque adjustment is.. >>>>>>> this is >>>>>>> something I cannot do, as I have no torque meter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> oh and another thing.. in RW should both reel drives spin? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is a fantastic machine I'd love to get it working >>>>>>> properly.. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From timbarrett at cox.net Fri Mar 30 00:36:32 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:36:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00878810@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00878810@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <460C3F70.7000900@cox.net> As I remember, each right channel gap area is actually divided into two gaps, so each consists of two gapped pickups in the space of one. The left channel gap is normal; the left channels are the ones nearest the edges of the tape. So, the two inside gap areas are actually four gaps, in two groups of two. Tim Hi Tech wrote: > If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! > > It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the > same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose > there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a > replacement head and examine it under a microscope. > > tom brucker > > At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: > > The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to > Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records > (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never > threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think > about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete > assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 > individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in > making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. > > > Hi Tech wrote: > > I'll try to address the specific knob questions. > ----------- > The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added > circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic > azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is > needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that > the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response > above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while > giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major > adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine > adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are > pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered > what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player > walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might > cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try > the experiment? > > tom brucker > > > > > ---------- > It's here! 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If you'd like I can > check the > US prices. 70 pounds might be a bit high. > > tom brucker > > At 03:35 PM 3/29/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net > wrote: > >thanks tom for your help with the 700II... > > > >here's a link showing the range of Teac torque cassettes: > > > >http://mahaeng.com/teac/MTT-8101%7E8422.htm > > > >The code of the one that I can order in the UK (around £70 GBP > >though!) is MTT 8131 > > > >would this be suitable for my 700II? > > > > > > > > > > > >thanks > > > >adrian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 02:10:23 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? Message-ID: <845340.5347.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes that is correct - They were separate. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:36:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? As I remember, each right channel gap area is actually divided into two gaps, so each consists of two gapped pickups in the space of one. The left channel gap is normal; the left channels are the ones nearest the edges of the tape. So, the two inside gap areas are actually four gaps, in two groups of two. Tim Hi Tech wrote: If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a replacement head and examine it under a microscope. tom brucker At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker ---------- It's here! Your new message! 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Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Fri Mar 30 02:25:33 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:25:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 and that 300e question again In-Reply-To: <200703292225.l2TMPYn4010651@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703292225.l2TMPYn4010651@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Im being tempted by one of these ...a one owner since new item and an audio inventor to boot. Classic 2 headers and looks to go with it ...... any comments on the sounds remember i now have a 300e and a 481z (and a CD 2 ...... which is a bit irrelevant ) and yet the agent for the deceased owner is being very sweet AND persistent with me ......... the price is fine but will I find yet another wondrous Nak sound or ....? Ian r PS I wish to say again that the 300e idler wheel hasnt arrived yet but the RW and FF problem seems to go away when the unit is warmed up. Does this still sound like 1. a belt or 2. idler wheel problem or 3. a motor one as B&W suggested over the phone From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 03:16:31 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button Message-ID: <283155.94144.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw this coming when I did the first og my ZXLs, and duly covered with kapton insulation tape. Another spot to check would be that shield cover at the bottom of the Main PCB. One side is insulating plastic, with a the shielding foil on the other. I had one in which the PCB had punctured through and needed some patching up. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:28:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 pause button I am thinking more if the end of the battery tray lifted up (since it has a tendency to go down when you pull it open) and touched the PSU board. Because Ram has had a few things go wrong, I think this basically clipped the voltages and a few things (seems all connected to the 12Volts line) when wrong. Yes, that actually sounds like a much more plausible scenario than mine.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 03:29:33 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? In-Reply-To: <845340.5347.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <725121.94088.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's the Dragon brochure that talks about the Dragon's 6 gap head. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg SJ Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yes that is correct - They were separate. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:36:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? As I remember, each right channel gap area is actually divided into two gaps, so each consists of two gapped pickups in the space of one. The left channel gap is normal; the left channels are the ones nearest the edges of the tape. So, the two inside gap areas are actually four gaps, in two groups of two. Tim Hi Tech wrote: If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a replacement head and examine it under a microscope. tom brucker At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Mar 30 08:55:25 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:55:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> References: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <460CB45D.8090304@peromarta.org> Send a picture. best rgds, LP. Max Havlik wrote: > I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks > ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come > up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't > know where it goes, please help! > > Thanx > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Mar 30 08:57:35 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:57:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] teac torque gauges In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00877dc0@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070329172138.00877dc0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: hi tom yes could you check on prices, i'd appreciate that.. thanks adrian On 30 Mar 2007, at 00:21, Hi Tech wrote: > MTT8131 would be the standard torque gauge. If you'd like I can > check the > US prices. 70 pounds might be a bit high. > > tom brucker > > At 03:35 PM 3/29/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> thanks tom for your help with the 700II... >> >> here's a link showing the range of Teac torque cassettes: >> >> http://mahaeng.com/teac/MTT-8101%7E8422.htm >> >> The code of the one that I can order in the UK (around £70 GBP >> though!) is MTT 8131 >> >> would this be suitable for my 700II? >> >> >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 11:11:50 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? Message-ID: <411839.53076.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you look at the construction of the Right channel head, its two discrete cores with separate windings. Its just amazing that they manage to make it so small and fit in. Buts a simple analogue system that just works. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:29:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? Here's the Dragon brochure that talks about the Dragon's 6 gap head. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg SJ Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yes that is correct - They were separate. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:36:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? As I remember, each right channel gap area is actually divided into two gaps, so each consists of two gapped pickups in the space of one. The left channel gap is normal; the left channels are the ones nearest the edges of the tape. So, the two inside gap areas are actually four gaps, in two groups of two. Tim Hi Tech wrote: If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a replacement head and examine it under a microscope. tom brucker At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 30 13:51:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:51:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <460CB45D.8090304@peromarta.org> References: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> <460CB45D.8090304@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <460CF9D9.3050509@rcn.com> If Luis can't help you send one to me. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Send a picture. best rgds, LP. > > Max Havlik wrote: >> I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks >> ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have >> come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I >> don't know where it goes, please help! >> >> Thanx From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Mar 30 14:06:13 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <460CF9D9.3050509@rcn.com> References: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> <460CB45D.8090304@peromarta.org> <460CF9D9.3050509@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6554.212.78.164.66.1175256373.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> If you keep the picture really small (below 60kb) then you can send it to the list for all of us to see, otherwise it will bounce.. Wouter > > If Luis can't help you send one to me. > > -- Ron > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Send a picture. best rgds, LP. >> From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 16:57:50 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:57:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070330085750.00879bb0@earthlink.net> Max, Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the center of the idler cover? tom brucker At 11:39 PM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Mar 30 17:01:18 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:01:18 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX Message-ID: <1633444188.250041175266878213.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Hello! May be somebody will help? There is one adjustment(?), not described in the service manuals - please see picture [URL=http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=laufwerkzxlxrd2.png][IMG]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png[/IMG][/URL] This white plastic part is on the Head Base assy. Over the plastic part there are arrows left "R" and right "F". In my 670 ZX the part is rotated left at 10 o'clock. May be somebody help -what adjustment is this? Thank you all and regards! Valentin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Нека музиката бъде с теб! http://musicidol.btv.bg/ From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 30 17:12:33 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070330085750.00879bb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <202297.42992.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Any RF shields in the 300? Bob Hi Tech wrote: Max, Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the center of the idler cover? tom brucker At 11:39 PM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Fri Mar 30 17:55:19 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:55:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 References: <3.0.3.32.20070330085750.00879bb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001401c772e3$d1ac2150$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Thanx, but no that is still on the capstan cover plate, I sent a pic, I will send it to the group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi Tech" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 > Max, > Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the > center of the idler cover? > > tom brucker > > At 11:39 PM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>>> > I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago > and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up > with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know > where it goes, please help! > > Thanx > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 > 1:36 PM > > From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Mar 30 18:12:13 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:12:13 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX Message-ID: <5963867.262751175271133350.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Sorry, please use for the picture only this link http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png Thank you >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Валентин Пенев >Относно: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX >До: naktalk at naks.com >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Март 30 18:01:18 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hello! May be somebody will help? There is one adjustment(?), not described in the service manuals - please see picture > >[URL=http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=laufwerkzxlxrd2.png][IMG]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png[/IMG][/URL] > >This white plastic part is on the Head Base assy. > >Over the plastic part there are arrows left "R" and right "F". In my 670 ZX the part is rotated left at 10 o'clock. May be somebody help -what adjustment is this? Thank you all and regards! Valentin > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Нека музиката бъде с теб! >http://musicidol.btv.bg/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Нека музиката бъде с теб! http://musicidol.btv.bg/ From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Mar 30 18:36:21 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:36:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX Message-ID: <4FD066AA-9BAA-4A6F-8589-B1269833AE90@alumni.caltech.edu> It is described, but not very clearly. It's in the section on "head base stroke adjustment in play mode" and is the thing referred to as the "stroke adjuster assembled in the head base assembly" (or something like that--I'm looking at a 680zx manual, not a 670 one).-kby From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Mar 30 18:40:02 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX In-Reply-To: <5963867.262751175271133350.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Message-ID: <306347.71918.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DO not change this adjustment without head stroke gauge - this is an adjustment to Head stroke on to the Cassette shell in play mode. This would change the head to Cassette contact and hence affect HF response/ recording parameters. Generally adjusted at the factory and do not change it. Kannan Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: Sorry, please use for the picture only this link http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png Thank you >-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ >Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX >Äî: naktalk at naks.com >Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Ìàðò 30 18:01:18 EEST >---------------------------------- > >Hello! May be somebody will help? There is one adjustment(?), not described in the service manuals - please see picture > >[URL=http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=laufwerkzxlxrd2.png][IMG]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png[/IMG][/URL] > >This white plastic part is on the Head Base assy. > >Over the plastic part there are arrows left "R" and right "F". In my 670 ZX the part is rotated left at 10 o'clock. May be somebody help -what adjustment is this? Thank you all and regards! 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URL: From madmaxhavlik at comcast.net Fri Mar 30 19:03:20 2007 From: madmaxhavlik at comcast.net (Max Havlik) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:03:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 References: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7><460CB45D.8090304@peromarta.org> <460CF9D9.3050509@rcn.com> <6554.212.78.164.66.1175256373.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000f01c772ed$519dcc20$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> It must have bounced i tried to post it and i think it was 150K, so will have to do some photoshop manip on it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 > If you keep the picture really small (below 60kb) then you can send it to > the list for all of us to see, otherwise it will bounce.. > > Wouter > >> >> If Luis can't help you send one to me. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Send a picture. best rgds, LP. >>> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 > 1:36 PM > > From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Mar 30 19:32:57 2007 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:32:57 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX Message-ID: <48235232.275461175275977937.JavaMail.nobody@mail02.abv.bg> Thank you wery much, kannan, kby! Now is clear. Regards and have a nice day! >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Относно: Re: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Петък, 2007, Март 30 19:40:02 EEST >---------------------------------- > >DO not change this adjustment without head stroke gauge - this is an adjustment to Head stroke on to the Cassette shell in play mode. This would change the head to Cassette contact and hence affect HF response/ recording parameters. Generally adjusted at the factory and do not change it. > Kannan > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > >Sorry, please use for the picture only this link > >http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png > >Thank you > > >>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>Îò: Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ > >>Îòíîñíî: [naktalk] One mechanical adjustment ZX, LX >>Äî: naktalk at naks.com >>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Ïåòúê, 2007, Ìàðò 30 18:01:18 EEST >>---------------------------------- >> >>Hello! May be somebody will help? There is one adjustment(?), not described in the service manuals - please see picture >> >>[URL=http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=laufwerkzxlxrd2.png][IMG]http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3028/laufwerkzxlxrd2.th.png[/IMG][/URL] >> >>This white plastic part is on the Head Base assy. >> >>Over the plastic part there are arrows left "R" and right "F". In my 670 ZX the part is rotated left at 10 o'clock. May be somebody help -what adjustment is this? Thank you all and regards! 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Gary >>If the pad lifter is in the way, it's a simple matter to remove it temporarily. However, even so, this gizmo will only demag the R/PB head and not the other items that need to be demagnetized: guides, capstans, back plate, front plate and any other ferric part around the tape path. -- Ron<< From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 31 00:03:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:03:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: TDK demagnetizer in Cassette Shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460D8933.90800@rcn.com> To be honest, I've never done this 'on a regular basis'. I do it every time I service the deck, which is roughly once every couple of years. Takes 5 seconds to remove, 6 seconds to put back on (yes, it';s a tight fit. So what?). I have a wand demagnetizer, that does not require me to remove the pad lifter. -- Ron gwbeyer at rockwellcollins.com wrote: > This is something I've wondered about, but haven't asked. Is it OK to > remove and replace the pad lifter? I did it once, just before having the > deck serviced and have been reluctant to do it since. It seemed to fit > fairly tight and I'm very afraid of messing up the critical head > adjustments. Is this really something that can be done on a regular basis? > > Gary > > > >>> If the pad lifter is in the way, it's a simple matter to remove it > temporarily. However, even so, this gizmo > will only demag the R/PB head and not the other items that need to be > demagnetized: guides, capstans, back > plate, front plate and any other ferric part around the tape path. > > -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 31 00:14:54 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:14:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 300 e Blinkin Belts again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460D8BDE.2080604@rcn.com> I'm a bit confused now... The MCM belt is said to be 9" (228.6 mm) in circumference. You say you measured it and got 220 mm? This is roughly 4% difference. One possibility is that the 228.6 mm is the required circumference on the deck, while the 220 mm relates to an non stretched fresh belt. Anybody know? -- Ron earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > OK now I am confused ...... I said a week back that when Vintage > Electronics and MCM's order arrived for the 300's belts I'd let you know > some details So below in green is Bob Toephers Vintage Electronic order > confirmation ... as you see few details but I ordered his' 300 belt kit' > as well as ordering from MCM (blue) ... as we know they have no back > tension belts (42-195) > > I did not receive an idler wheel but an idler belt (ie the thick rubber > 'tyre' to be fitted onto the idler) I dont know what we non tekkie UK > folk would call 'em but I had thought I was getting a replacement wheel > .....ho hum. > > Anyway I have looked at the two belts and although almost precisely the > same height the Vintage Electronics one is approx 166mm in circumference > and the MCM one is approx 220mm > > I only have one tension belt so cant compare them ....... So one company > sells a 300 kit and MCM the other delivers the parts listed below when > one loads in Nak 300 (as I recall) into option windows. > > I ordered 3 MCM belts if any are needed for the coming comparison checks. > > Do the experts think i have 3 needed belts for the 300 or have I got 2 > (widely differing ) versions of the 'right' belt? > > The recent posts about bearing wear seem apposite if the 2 belts are for > the same job the diffs in tension would be high. > > Incidentally Bob (Naylor) there seems to be no info about belt > replacement in the service manual ... which is a shame ....... does the > belt swapping info exist on a website or past posting? > > Below is what I ordered from the firms involved. First Vintage in green > then MCM in blue. Frankly if ESL or Marrs deliver a set of belts that > are demonstrably right then maybe thats a good thing for us less tekkie > types. > > This was an experiment and maybe I can fit the belts when I find out how > but I have spent about the same amount of cash on these 2 orders as I > would have buying from ESL .... > > ian r > scotland > > > > > > Qty. Product No. Product Price > ea Total > ---- ------------------ ----------------------------------- --------- > --------- > 1 BX-300 Nakamichi BX-300 Belt Kit 15.00 15.00 > > Subtotal: USD > $ 15.00 > International Shipping: USD $ 4.65 > Total Amount: USD $ 19.65 > > > 342-1990 > > > FLAT RUBBR BELT9.0X0.210X0.031 > Flat Belts, I.C.: 9 , Thickness: 0.031 , Width: 0.21 > Manf Name: MCM > Manf Part: 42-1990 > > > 332-5665 > > > IDLER TIRE ONKYO FOR HARMON KARDON AND KENWOOD REEL MOTORS > > Replacement Type Idler Tires, Type: Onkyo, Outer Diameter: 14.22 > Manf Name: MCM > > > 242-195 > > 3.027X.031/76.89MMX24.47X.79 > > > Square Belts, I.C.: 3.027, Thickness: 0.031 > Manf Name: MCM > Manf Part: 42-195 > Out of Stock > (Lead time 57 days)$0.51 > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 31 01:32:34 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:32:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <202297.42992.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070330085750.00879bb0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070330173234.00882410@earthlink.net> I don't know. Jeff knows these the best. If there was one it would be near the heads, held by a screw. tom brucker At 08:12 AM 3/30/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Any RF shields in the 300? Bob Hi Tech wrote: Max, Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the center of the idler cover? tom brucker At 11:39 PM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Mar 31 00:41:17 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:41:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070330173234.00882410@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070330085750.00879bb0@earthlink.net> <3.0.3.32.20070330173234.00882410@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070330224117.JUCK15840.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I believe you are right. I owned a BX300 when they first came out and I think that's all it is, a reflector to better visualize the distribution of tape on the hubs. At 07:32 PM 3/30/2007, you wrote: >I don't know. Jeff knows these the best. If there was one it would be >near the heads, held by a screw. > >tom brucker > >At 08:12 AM 3/30/07 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> >Tom, Any RF shields in the 300? > Bob > >Hi Tech wrote: > Max, >Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the >center of the idler cover? > >tom brucker From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 31 03:14:13 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:14:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 300 BELT KIT Message-ID: <460DB5E5.8000306@marrscommunications.com> Hey Ian r, Send me your mailing address. marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fred From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 04:07:25 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <718766.3146.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Is that the guard for the worm gear of the cam drive? Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:32:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 I don't know. Jeff knows these the best. If there was one it would be near the heads, held by a screw. tom brucker At 08:12 AM 3/30/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, Any RF shields in the 300? Bob Hi Tech wrote: Max, Is it perhaps the reflector in the cassette compartment that goes in the center of the idler cover? tom brucker At 11:39 PM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Secondly, I also own a Nak BX-125, and this deck plays these tapes with no problem. I've tried rebuilding a couple of the cassettes with some improvement in playback quality on the CR-7a but its not at all close to a complete improvement. So what do you think is going on here? Is it the deck, the tapes, or some complicated combination of both of these things? Should I just give up on these tapes and move on? Any response would be deeply appreciated!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 04:38:58 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <000701c772e4$9ff12740$640fa8c0@ARTISTICD3BCB7> Message-ID: <961818.80052.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like covering over the bias adjustment presets - to reduce HF leakage Kannan Max Havlik wrote: In regards to the silver colored part left over after reassembling my BX300, Thanx for all the replies, don't you just hate it when something is left over? Anyway, it does remind me of an RF shield, sending a picture ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 05:25:07 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a playback puzzle Message-ID: <18571.83089.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kev, Clean the pinch rollers and the rest of the tape path very well. See if they have any brown track marks on them, or if they are shiny and hard. This is indicative of the deck needing new tires. Eliminate the obvious then move down to any other problems the deck may have. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin MacDonald To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:11:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a playback puzzle Hi everybody! I'm a new member, and I 'd like to thank everybody for all of the informative posts that I've poured through to resolve my problem. But I'm stuck with a problem that may be very easy to solve --or not. I purchased a used CR-7a off of Ebay in January, and the unit seems to perform rather well. However, I have a few pre-recorded tapes that the Nak cannot for some reason play through. What happens is a rather poor playback (like a very bad old movie soundtrack, often followed by a complete slowdown of playback resulting in a stop play). Ok here's the real kickers in the situation (for me anyway). First of all I've tried many tapes with no problems at all. The tapes that give me trouble are EMI produced tapes from the early to mid-eighties. Secondly, I also own a Nak BX-125, and this deck plays these tapes with no problem. I've tried rebuilding a couple of the cassettes with some improvement in playback quality on the CR-7a but its not at all close to a complete improvement. So what do you think is going on here? Is it the deck, the tapes, or some complicated combination of both of these things? Should I just give up on these tapes and move on? 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Message-ID: Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 31 08:38:11 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 06:38:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Message-ID: Hi Jeff, I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! Peace, Alex! From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. 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If it's really hard to remove, it might be stuck on with the residues of head cleaning liquids used over a period - it's meant to come off reasonably easily. You should remove it to do a thorough head cleaning job. If you don't, liquid can remain on the head under the edges of the pad lifter. So remove it, clean the head, dry the head or let it dry, and replace the pad lifter. Note that the pad lifter has a back and front and is not symmetrical. There are two little tabs on the front and on the back that fit snugly onto the head - the two at the back are bent in a little, the two at the front are not bent - they are parallel to the front "wall" of the head. Hope that's not confusing. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-request at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 49, Issue 128 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. BX300 (Max Havlik) 2. Re: BX300 (Luis Peromarta) 3. Re: teac torque gauges (adrian at thegreatbear.net) 4. Re: Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? (Bala Ganesh Chandra) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:39:45 -0700 From: "Max Havlik" Subject: [naktalk] BX300 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <000601c77296$34910a90$640fa8c0 at ARTISTICD3BCB7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't know where it goes, please help! Thanx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070329/1bd2d43a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:55:25 +0200 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <460CB45D.8090304 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Send a picture. best rgds, LP. Max Havlik wrote: > I need some technical help with my BX300, I tore it down several weeks > ago and have just now assembled it with new belts and tire. I have come > up with a spare piece, silver rectangle, looks like a shield, I don't > know where it goes, please help! > > Thanx > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:57:35 +0100 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] teac torque gauges To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi tom yes could you check on prices, i'd appreciate that.. thanks adrian On 30 Mar 2007, at 00:21, Hi Tech wrote: > MTT8131 would be the standard torque gauge. If you'd like I can > check the > US prices. 70 pounds might be a bit high. > > tom brucker > > At 03:35 PM 3/29/07 +0100, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: >> thanks tom for your help with the 700II... >> >> here's a link showing the range of Teac torque cassettes: >> >> http://mahaeng.com/teac/MTT-8101%7E8422.htm >> >> The code of the one that I can order in the UK (around £70 GBP >> though!) is MTT 8131 >> >> would this be suitable for my 700II? >> >> >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <411839.53076.qm at web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you look at the construction of the Right channel head, its two discrete cores with separate windings. Its just amazing that they manage to make it so small and fit in. Buts a simple analogue system that just works. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 9:29:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? Here's the Dragon brochure that talks about the Dragon's 6 gap head. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/brochures/Dragon_4_sm.jpg SJ Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Yes that is correct - They were separate. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:36:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Azimuth Playback Adjustment Questions- Dragon? As I remember, each right channel gap area is actually divided into two gaps, so each consists of two gapped pickups in the space of one. The left channel gap is normal; the left channels are the ones nearest the edges of the tape. So, the two inside gap areas are actually four gaps, in two groups of two. Tim Hi Tech wrote: If anything I am consistent in my mistakes! It is weird. I keep looking at the Dragon head, and all four gaps look the same. I cannot for the life of me see the 2 additional gaps. Do you suppose there are only 4 gaps, but one has 2 taps on the coil??? I must get a replacement head and examine it under a microscope. tom brucker At 08:51 AM 3/29/07 -0700, you wrote: The deck is correcting phase errors on the right channel Tom, so a Left to Right would not affect the deck. I've recorded some quadraphonic records (played using a stereo cartridge) and the extreme stereo panning never threw my Dragon into Azimuth mode. Ultimately, that also makes me think about the performance limits the head would have when you cram 6 discrete assemblies in that housing. The good thing about the Dragon is the 6 individual playback amps. Overall the Dragon seems to do a great job in making playback azimuth alignment fast, easy and accurate. Hi Tech wrote: I'll try to address the specific knob questions. ----------- The Dragon is an entirely dfferent animal. The auto PLAY azimuth added circuitry and used a very special head with 6 gaps to enable automatic azimuth adjustment to each specific tape! In theory, no reference tape is needed! In a recent repair on a malfunctionng NAAC circuit, I learned that the sensing circuit begins to work only at 10-12kHz, and rolls off response above. This allows the deck to adjust for absolute azimuth errors, while giving less weight to tape skew errors. The observation that major adjustment is done at the beginning of a tape is correct, but the fine adjustments continue throughout. Cassette shells and internal guides are pretty cheap, and cause these progressive errors. I have always wondered what a Dragon would do with a stereo recording of a tamborine player walking across the stage. Phase differences present in the "music" might cause the Dragon to keep the tamborine center stage. Anyone want to try the experiment? tom brucker ---------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Mar 31 11:17:44 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:17:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 300 e Blinkin Belts again again In-Reply-To: <200703310212.l2V2CJtZ027952@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703310212.l2V2CJtZ027952@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron please note I said 'approx' ..... I held the belts against a steel rule to measure ... but didnt want to crush them hard against the scale so thats why I said approx. I hoped the links I provided would allow 'those who understand these matters' to obtain the real low down on them. The other aspect I should have mentioned is the thickness is also very differrent ...... MCM's is thinner than the Vintage one. ian r scotland From: Ron Subject: Re: 300 e Blinkin Belts again >I'm a bit confused now... The MCM belt is said to be 9" >(228.6 mm) in circumference. You say you measured it and >got 220 mm? This is roughly 4% difference. >One possibility is that the 228.6 mm is the required >circumference on the deck, while the 220 mm relates to >an non stretched fresh belt. >Anybody know? >-- Ron >earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: SNIP > Anyway I have looked at the two belts and although almost precisely the > same height the Vintage Electronics one is approx 166mm in circumference > and the MCM one is approx 220mm ian r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 13:37:27 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <733110.32581.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NO it is similar to BX300Capstan belt!!!!! Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Jeff, I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. Find it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Mar 31 14:34:05 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:34:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? In-Reply-To: <733110.32581.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733110.32581.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <460E553D.6040109@cox.net> I don't own a dragon, but I thought that it has dual direct drive and required no belt. I have the service manual in front of me and there doesn't seem to be a belt shown in the blowup diagram, nor is there one listed in the parts list. The only belts I see listed are the usual cam motor belt and counter belt B. Also, I thought that since the tape runs either direction, the speed differential necessary for proper tape tension would be handled electronically in the drive. Why is there a capstan belt? Am I missing something? Tim Barrett kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > NO it is similar to BX300Capstan belt!!!!! > > */Alex Cozac /* wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! > > Peace, > > Alex! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? > > Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon > capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. > Jeff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Search Maps -- find all the local information you need, right > when you need it. 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Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Barrett To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 8:34:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? I don't own a dragon, but I thought that it has dual direct drive and required no belt. I have the service manual in front of me and there doesn't seem to be a belt shown in the blowup diagram, nor is there one listed in the parts list. The only belts I see listed are the usual cam motor belt and counter belt B. Also, I thought that since the tape runs either direction, the speed differential necessary for proper tape tension would be handled electronically in the drive. Why is there a capstan belt? Am I missing something? Tim Barrett kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: NO it is similar to BX300Capstan belt!!!!! Alex Cozac wrote: P {margin:0px;padding:0px;}body {FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Hi Jeff, I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! Peace, Alex! From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. Jeff See what's free at AOL.com. Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. Find it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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I have the service manual in front of me and there > doesn't seem to be a belt shown in the blowup diagram, nor is there > one listed in the parts list. The only belts I see listed are the > usual cam motor belt and counter belt B. > > Also, I thought that since the tape runs either direction, the speed > differential necessary for proper tape tension would be handled > electronically in the drive. > > Why is there a capstan belt? Am I missing something? > > Tim Barrett > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> NO it is similar to BX300Capstan belt!!!!! >> >> */Alex Cozac /* wrote: >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! >> >> Peace, >> >> Alex! >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From: Bansijeff at aol.com >> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? >> >> Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon >> capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. >> Jeff >> >> >> >> See what's free at AOL.com >> . >> >> >> Live Search Maps -- find all the local information you need, >> right when you need it. Find it! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! 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Search Marketing. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 31 15:51:37 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:51:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a playback puzzle In-Reply-To: <000601c77339$dc647650$0901a8c0@HTPC> References: <000601c77339$dc647650$0901a8c0@HTPC> Message-ID: <460E6769.9030009@rcn.com> Kevin MacDonald wrote: > Hi everybody! I'm a new member, and I 'd like to thank everybody for > all of the informative posts that I've poured through to resolve my > problem. But I'm stuck with a problem that may be very easy to solve > --or not. > I purchased a used CR-7a off of Ebay in January, and the unit seems > to perform rather well. However, I have a few pre-recorded tapes that > the Nak cannot for some reason play through. What happens is a rather > poor playback (like a very bad old movie soundtrack, often followed by a > complete slowdown of playback resulting in a stop play). Ok here's the > real kickers in the situation (for me anyway). First of all I've tried > many tapes with no problems at all. The tapes that give me trouble are > EMI produced tapes from the early to mid-eighties. Secondly, I also own > a Nak BX-125, and this deck plays these tapes with no problem. I've > tried rebuilding a couple of the cassettes with some improvement in > playback quality on the CR-7a but its not at all close to a complete > improvement. So what do you think is going on here? Is it the deck, the > tapes, or some complicated combination of both of these things? Should I > just give up on these tapes and move on? Any response would be deeply > appreciated!! I suspect you have a marginal condition of the CR-7, that shows up only on marginal tapes. Thinks to check (starting with the most likely): - Correct contact of pinch rollers against capstans. - Good condition of the rubber idler (assuming your CR-7 does not have a gear idler. - Correct operation of the reel motor. - Lubrication of the capstan bearings. It may be difficult to pinpoint the fault, because of the marginal operation. Or, you could ignore the troublesome tapes for now and wait for the deck to fail completely, st which point diagnosing the fault will be much easier. Good luck, -- Ron From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat Mar 31 17:32:30 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:32:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 300 e Blinkin Belts again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <460E7F0E.90502@caribsurf.com> Interesting! The belt that came off my BX300 is about the size of the MCM one. Chris Mann kindly sent me one he had acquired off e-bay and that is about the size of the Vintage one (I have not tried to install it as it appeared too small). Some months ago, Dean had sent me one which was about the size of the Vintage one and I sent it back to him as I thought it was too small. Are there two models of BX300 which use different size belts? It seems odd that this difference keeps cropping up!. Regards Paul C earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > OK now I am confused ...... I said a week back that when Vintage > Electronics and MCM's order arrived for the 300's belts I'd let you > know some details So below in green is Bob Toephers Vintage > Electronic order confirmation ... as you see few details but I ordered > his' 300 belt kit' as well as ordering from MCM (blue) ... as we know > they have no back tension belts (42-195) > > I did not receive an idler wheel but an idler belt (ie the thick > rubber 'tyre' to be fitted onto the idler) I dont know what we non > tekkie UK folk would call 'em but I had thought I was getting a > replacement wheel .....ho hum. > > Anyway I have looked at the two belts and although almost precisely > the same height the Vintage Electronics one is approx 166mm in > circumference and the MCM one is approx 220mm > > I only have one tension belt so cant compare them ....... So one > company sells a 300 kit and MCM the other delivers the parts listed > below when one loads in Nak 300 (as I recall) into option windows. > > I ordered 3 MCM belts if any are needed for the coming comparison checks. > > Do the experts think i have 3 needed belts for the 300 or have I got 2 > (widely differing ) versions of the 'right' belt? > > The recent posts about bearing wear seem apposite if the 2 belts are > for the same job the diffs in tension would be high. > > Incidentally Bob (Naylor) there seems to be no info about belt > replacement in the service manual ... which is a shame ....... does > the belt swapping info exist on a website or past posting? > > Below is what I ordered from the firms involved. First Vintage in > green then MCM in blue. Frankly if ESL or Marrs deliver a set of > belts that are demonstrably right then maybe thats a good thing for us > less tekkie types. > > This was an experiment and maybe I can fit the belts when I find out > how but I have spent about the same amount of cash on these 2 orders > as I would have buying from ESL .... > > ian r > scotland > > > > > > Qty. Product No. Product Price > ea Total > ---- ------------------ ----------------------------------- --------- > --------- > 1 BX-300 Nakamichi BX-300 Belt Kit 15.00 15.00 > > Subtotal: USD > $ 15.00 > International Shipping: USD $ 4.65 > Total Amount: USD $ 19.65 > > > 342-1990 > > > FLAT RUBBR BELT9.0X0.210X0.031 > Flat Belts, I.C.: 9 , Thickness: 0.031 , Width: 0.21 > Manf Name: MCM > Manf Part: 42-1990 > > > 332-5665 > > > IDLER TIRE ONKYO FOR HARMON KARDON AND KENWOOD REEL MOTORS > > Replacement Type Idler Tires, Type: Onkyo, Outer Diameter: 14.22 > Manf Name: MCM > > > 242-195 > > 3.027X.031/76.89MMX24.47X.79 > > > Square Belts, I.C.: 3.027, Thickness: 0.031 > Manf Name: MCM > Manf Part: 42-195 > Out of Stock > (Lead time 57 days)$0.51 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 2007-03-29 1:36 PM > From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Mar 31 18:32:18 2007 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:32:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carla at bratgrrl.com Sat Mar 31 18:56:33 2007 From: carla at bratgrrl.com (Carla Schroder) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:56:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes Message-ID: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com> I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, the Stop button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd like to fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, but I haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken the cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) thanks, Carla -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla Schroder Linux geek and random computer tamer check out my Linux Cookbook! http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ best book for sysadmins and power users ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Mar 31 19:07:34 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:07:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR9A Message-ID: <003e01c773b7$13fd3840$3201000a@gabrenas> Does anyone one have a procedure to calibrate this machine? I have turn every pot fully clockwise and the damn thing won't calibrate:) Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat Mar 31 19:14:30 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:14:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes In-Reply-To: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat Mar 31 19:18:05 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:18:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes References: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com> Message-ID: <008901c773b8$8ba01790$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Carla It is probably stuck because of tape wound round the right capstan shaft. If U slide off the cover [4 prongs] upwards U should be able to see into the compartment & confirm this. Judicious careful prodding witha very small jewellers screwdriver through the slot in the tape outer casing should enable U to [eventually] unspool the tape [probably in small bits] to free the tape & allow the eject to work again. To rectify a reoccurrence U need to clean the capstan shafts, pinch rollers etc with the appropriate cleaners/reconditioners to restore grip. If this doesn't work then repeat before assuming it needs new parts as the build up of contaminants to good running has taken 'n' years so... Let me know if U succeed Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Schroder" To: "naktalk" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes >I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: > > 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work > 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. > > When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, the > Stop > button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been > having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd like > to > fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, but > I > haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken the > cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) > > thanks, > Carla > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder > Linux geek and random computer tamer > check out my Linux Cookbook! > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ > best book for sysadmins and power users > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 13:15 > > From jeff at eslabs.com Sat Mar 31 19:33:51 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:33:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. References: Message-ID: <011a01c773ba$c43b9960$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at nakamichi.us To: RICHARD FIne Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Jeff, questions about "nylon chassis mounts" and the use of epoxy Rick, I was just testing your guilt factor! As suspected, you fed me some BS to obtain free service. I got just the answer I expected from you. We don't sell them. I'm sure that the technician can fix it with some nuts & bolts. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 19:37:06 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <577999.53416.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, Thats the same kind of ridiculously priced talk he always generates. He quoted me a $3500-$4500 to refurbish a 1000zxl. It shocked my guts. My brain felt numb and dumb! Believe me, Nakkers, not even the 1000zxl is worth $1000-2000 to buy and spending $4500 to refurbish. We are talking over 6000 dollars for a cassette deck here.Todays best cd and dvd players cost less than that( about $4000, for a very high end unit) in todays dollars and all these high end units are very ruggedly built.I know, because I have them. ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! Its smarter to buy 2 decks and cannibalize one for parts. Sorry Jeff Galin, but I had to let it out. Snake oil is even today difficult to sell. Only the dumb ones fall for it. Meanwhile its people like Mr. Bleus, Bala and Tom that we should turn to for help with these great machines. I know I am going to get bombarded with pro and con letters now. Let them come on! Regards, Ram, RICHARD FIne wrote: I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 31 19:44:50 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick You may get free advice from charitable Nakophile enthusiasts but you'd not expect a lawyer or doctor to give his advice for less than $75, would you? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RICHARD FIne Sent: 31 March 2007 17:32 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. I just sent an email to him asking what kind of fastener/hardware he used when the chassis mounts break on the Nak Dragon. He replied that he always replaced with stainless hardware whether broken or not. I then sent another email just asking what fastener or hardware he used so I could relay it to the Technician working on my Dragon, this is his answer: Hi Rick, I can supply you with the stainless hardware set for $5 plus $75 for my time. This will include some basic installation tips. The shipping and handling is $13.50 via UPS. Sincerely, Jeff Galin So, anyone who would like to purchase this bunch of $5 fasteners... just mail ESL a check for $93.50 Enjoy your weekend!!! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 31 19:53:05 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:53:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: <577999.53416.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flifton at mac.com Sat Mar 31 20:04:10 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:04:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problems In-Reply-To: <200703311738.l2VHcHRo003103@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703311738.l2VHcHRo003103@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <2387BDB6-D953-49C3-8598-DE68C697BA91@mac.com> I now have a better idea as to the problem with my CR-3. The left (supply) side capstan isn't turning well. If I spin the flywheel by hand it eventually starts turning. I'm reasoning the problem must therefore be either: the belt is not adequately gripping the flywheel to turn it, or the capstan bearings are dried up causing too much friction. The flywheel does seem to spin quite freely, as best I can tell pushing it with a swab. The pinch roller also spins free. I applied a small amount of Caig's Caikleen RBR rubber rejuvenator on the belt, but it didn't seem to help. It seems we just covered this, but I skimmed the archive and didn't see it. Does anyone remember when we discussed this? Any thoughts much appreciated. best, Fred From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 20:13:11 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <330258.1685.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I only voiced my opinion. I did not intend starting a war of words here. Thanks and I reiterate that one affords logically what one wants to afford. Its a perception thing and we all have perceived values of things material and immaterial. We all understand that people are in business to make a living. I do too. There is reasonability and then there is gouging. I immensely respect ESLs ability to repair/ refurbish Naks. But guys! An open heart surgery reimburses a doctor today for less than $4000 in many insurance plans.$3500-$4500 for a cassette deck! You bet thats a lot of perception distortion here. I guess thats whats free market is all about. Jeff is only doing what the market in his opinion wants.....or not! Time will tell the truth. We shall all witness that sooner rather than later. Pour your guts out folks. PLease! I am in a mood for it this afternoon! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ...========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 20:24:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problems In-Reply-To: <2387BDB6-D953-49C3-8598-DE68C697BA91@mac.com> Message-ID: <802157.4601.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Fred! I think the best way is a new belt. Bala. Fred Lifton wrote: I now have a better idea as to the problem with my CR-3. The left (supply) side capstan isn't turning well. If I spin the flywheel by hand it eventually starts turning. I'm reasoning the problem must therefore be either: the belt is not adequately gripping the flywheel to turn it, or the capstan bearings are dried up causing too much friction. The flywheel does seem to spin quite freely, as best I can tell pushing it with a swab. The pinch roller also spins free. I applied a small amount of Caig's Caikleen RBR rubber rejuvenator on the belt, but it didn't seem to help. It seems we just covered this, but I skimmed the archive and didn't see it. Does anyone remember when we discussed this? Any thoughts much appreciated. best, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Sat Mar 31 20:26:58 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:26:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. In-Reply-To: <330258.1685.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <330258.1685.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98CB7E7B8DDA436AA1D08A1E2812F24B@shuttle> As I see it, market forces will decide. If ESL is too expensive, they will get no work and will lower prices or go out of business. If people are willing to pay that amount, then he has every right to charge it. Ferrari charge $6000 for a set of brake pads on an Enzo - I am sure they don't cost that much to produce. At least with a Nak, you can choose not to send it to ESL, but I am not sure if there are third party brake pads for an Enzo. Regards... Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: March 31, 2007 11:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra, I only voiced my opinion. I did not intend starting a war of words here. Thanks and I reiterate that one affords logically what one wants to afford. Its a perception thing and we all have perceived values of things material and immaterial. We all understand that people are in business to make a living. I do too. There is reasonability and then there is gouging. I immensely respect ESLs ability to repair/ refurbish Naks. But guys! An open heart surgery reimburses a doctor today for less than $4000 in many insurance plans.$3500-$4500 for a cassette deck! You bet thats a lot of perception distortion here. I guess thats whats free market is all about. Jeff is only doing what the market in his opinion wants.....or not! Time will tell the truth. We shall all witness that sooner rather than later. Pour your guts out folks. PLease! I am in a mood for it this afternoon! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Mar 31 21:01:36 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:01:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes References: <200703310956.33574.carla@bratgrrl.com> Message-ID: <00b301c773c7$0c021e20$b207010a@hurtignok> Carla, My first BX300E behaved exactly like that - 10 minutes after I got it! I sent to a local technician and he said that it was the idler wheel and one of the motors. He suggested I dumped it (in his garbage can...) as he could not find any spare parts in Denmark. As it was a very early morning and as I did not know what I know today, I said yes...! I I really regret that - but I would advice you - or your technician - to change the idler tire whatever else may fix on your BX300. You can buy idler tires at www.ebay.com Item# 300090073630. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Schroder" To: "naktalk" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes >I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: > > 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work > 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. > > When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, the Stop > button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been > having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd like to > fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, but I > haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken the > cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) > > thanks, > Carla > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder > Linux geek and random computer tamer > check out my Linux Cookbook! > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ > best book for sysadmins and power users > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Mar 31 21:05:45 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 00:35:45 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RE: Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. References: <200703311828.l2VISBTR004085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002201c773c7$98057890$0201a8c0@sbnp6a0tpsh2sf> Personally, I do think that people who have invested a great deal of time, money and years getting into the league of experienced folks command every penny they demand. I have many a time been humbled by such advice that which always made me think WTH ? Is that possible ? Dont corporations spend money on pep talkers just to come pep up their employees so that the overall efficiency is increased ? And do those pep talkers come cheap ? Ever wondered why their stuff sounded just like my grandmom's advice used to (while it fell on deaf ears then) ? Do you hear something new there ? I doubt. If i am good at something i will charge for it no questions asked ... although with April 1 round the corner i have a feeling Jeff may also be pulling a leg or two :) Best Soumi From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 21:27:51 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <963861.33566.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, you are an absolute genius. Your gifted Dragon does not have a capstan belt! Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Jeff, I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. Find it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 21:33:37 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <961818.80052.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <658358.21520.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup, that's what it is. On the right side of the machine it slides in between the switches and screws into the frame of the machine. SJ kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Looks like covering over the bias adjustment presets - to reduce HF leakage Kannan Max Havlik wrote: In regards to the silver colored part left over after reassembling my BX300, Thanx for all the replies, don't you just hate it when something is left over? Anyway, it does remind me of an RF shield, sending a picture ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 21:38:58 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes In-Reply-To: <00b301c773c7$0c021e20$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <757619.54589.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It sounds like the mode change motor is stuck and unable to move it out of play. On the top of the transport is a worm gear. Rotate the motor shaft a little bit and then turn on the machine. It if works and moves out of play then your motor has a dead spot. It can be cleaned. I think someone has a web page with pictures. Try it and report back if it starts working. It will most likely go bad again until the motor is replaced or refurb'd. I'm sure Jeff probably has the part for $20 plus $1235 for his time to install it. Just kidding Jeff. SJ Per wrote: Carla, My first BX300E behaved exactly like that - 10 minutes after I got it! I sent to a local technician and he said that it was the idler wheel and one of the motors. He suggested I dumped it (in his garbage can...) as he could not find any spare parts in Denmark. As it was a very early morning and as I did not know what I know today, I said yes...! I I really regret that - but I would advice you - or your technician - to change the idler tire whatever else may fix on your BX300. You can buy idler tires at www.ebay.com Item# 300090073630. Best Regards, Per ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carla Schroder" To: "naktalk" Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 won't eject tapes >I have a great old BX-300 with a couple of problems: > > 1. It has a tape in it and the eject button does not work > 2. It is stuck on Play/Pause. > > When it first powers up, it makes a whirring noise for half a second, the Stop > button lights briefly, then the Play and Pause buttons light. It's been > having problems for a few months with occasionally eating tapes. I'd like to > fix it myself if I can. I've been reading the list archives and Ebay, but I > haven't seen anything relating to stuck Eject buttons. I haven't taken the > cover off yet- I'd like some wise advice first. :) > > thanks, > Carla > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Carla Schroder > Linux geek and random computer tamer > check out my Linux Cookbook! > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/ > best book for sysadmins and power users > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 21:41:58 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? In-Reply-To: <963861.33566.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <513083.90017.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> He's got so much wiser with age Scott, and almost made me stumble with that one! Wonder what is it going to be on the 1st of April next year! Bala Scott Johnson wrote: Alex, you are an absolute genius. Your gifted Dragon does not have a capstan belt! Alex Cozac wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Jeff, I think is the same number that the belt for the ZX-9 model! Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:33:17 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon belt number? Does anyone know the Nakamichi part number for the Dragon capstan belt? I can't find it in the service manual. Jeff --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. Find it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Sat Mar 31 21:52:20 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:52:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha nakamichi .... maybe not In-Reply-To: <200703311738.l2VHcUFK003114@zxe.naks.com> References: <200703311738.l2VHcUFK003114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I think this is BS! but take a look. ian r scotland http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-KX1200-3-HEAD-TAPE-DECK-with-DOLBY-B-C-dbx-NR_W0QQitemZ110104078564QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 22:06:56 2007 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:06:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha nakamichi .... maybe not In-Reply-To: References: <200703311738.l2VHcUFK003114@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: hi! Im new to this list and usually just lurk on lists but i had to reply to this. I owned this model Yamaha 'ssette deck. I bought a Nakamichi 1000 and 550 in 1978 and in 1990 I wanted a deck with newer features so I bought this Yamaha instead of nak because it was cheaper, the yamaha not the nak, but I took it back to the dealer for a refund after a week because the old naks I had sounded far better even tho they dont have the dbx and the other stuff. The dealer tried to give me this shuck and jive act that the yamaha was really just a nak with yamahas name on it and the sales guy claimed that nak actually made the dec ks for yamaha. so I called yamaha and they laughed and said no and I called nakamich and they said they didnt make 'sette decks for anyone but themselfs so my guess is this seller probably had the same lyin' bastard sales-idiot I had run into or at least somebody like this guy. still have my nak 1000 and 550 and still love them though the 1000 I think needs some work. I am thinking of getting back into live tapoing like I did years ago and I borrowed my son's digital portable recorder to try it out but it sounds harsh compared to my old 550 although it is lots quieter. But I think I'm rambling so i'll stop now. On 3/31/07, earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > > > I think this is BS! but take a look. > > > ian r > scotland > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-KX1200-3-HEAD-TAPE-DECK-with-DOLBY-B-C-dbx-NR_W0QQitemZ110104078564QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 22:21:28 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-3 reel motor In-Reply-To: <007b01c7736d$da7c09a0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <757181.78560.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think it's on Wouter's wiki web site. Don't remember the URL. SJ ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Anyone in the community have an electronic copy of the document described ?supplied with the MR-1 service manual ? that they could let me have a copy of ?? Service Information bulletin No. OOD-SI-3117 (1/5) "How to Change Take-up/Supply Reel Hub ASS'y and Reel Motor Assembly from Pulley Type to Gear Type" Thanks Dave ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koan29 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 31 22:25:34 2007 From: koan29 at earthlink.net (Kevin MacDonald) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:25:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a playback puzzle Message-ID: <460EC3BE.6090200@earthlink.net> Ron and Bala -- Thanks!! So I think I'm a little closer to solving this one. Took of the door plate, cleaned the pinch rollers, and then isolated the locality of the problem. I'm wondering if the left pinch roller either needs to be replaced or if somehow its not brought up to the pin with enough pressure. Is it right that the left pinch roller can easily be brought to a stop during play with a finger or q-tip, while the right pinch roller cannot be stopped? Anyway when I put my finger under the left pinch roller assembly and press upwards with a little bit of pressure, the tape plays normally. Yet this is only the case with those certain 3 tapes I mentioned before. Other tapes play fine with no manipulation of the roller assembly (?!?) Thanks for your tips, at least it got me this far. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Mar 31 22:39:31 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:39:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-3 reel motor In-Reply-To: <757181.78560.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <757181.78560.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <460EC703.8000903@xs4all.nl> Looking for this one? http://www.naks.com/servicebulletins/OOD-SI-3117_gear_modification.pdf Wouter Scott Johnson wrote: > I think it's on Wouter's wiki web site. Don't remember the URL. > > SJ > > */ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com/* wrote: > > Anyone in the community have an _electronic copy_ of the document > described ?supplied with the MR-1 service manual ? that they could > let me have a copy of ?? > > Service Information bulletin No. OOD-SI-3117 (1/5) "How to Change > Take-up/Supply Reel Hub ASS'y and Reel Motor Assembly from Pulley > Type to Gear Type" > > Thanks > Dave > > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 22:40:16 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expensive advice. In-Reply-To: <98CB7E7B8DDA436AA1D08A1E2812F24B@shuttle> Message-ID: <20070331204016.47343.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An Enzo costs $500000 . Thats half a million dollars....or more depending on the other selected options. If I owned a Ferrari Enzo, I would not flinch an eyelid on a $6000 brake pads. A Nak zxl costs $1000-1500 used. I can understand another $1500 to repair to factory specs. Not three times the price. thats akin to Ferrari charging a million dollars to bring it upto specs... So there you go. I have refuted this argument. ESL has every right to charge what they think is appropriate.....and the market foces will eventually force thwm out of business.....a la Enron etc.... Charging a premium is one thing. Gouging the public is another. I can unsrstand a labor rate of $100 per hour. Not $500 per hour. Hmmmm...thats my humble opinion anyway. Ram Ken Mashlan wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } As I see it, market forces will decide. If ESL is too expensive, they will get no work and will lower prices or go out of business. If people are willing to pay that amount, then he has every right to charge it. Ferrari charge $6000 for a set of brake pads on an Enzo – I am sure they don’t cost that much to produce. At least with a Nak, you can choose not to send it to ESL, but I am not sure if there are third party brake pads for an Enzo Regards... Ken --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: March 31, 2007 11:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Gra, I only voiced my opinion. I did not intend starting a war of words here. Thanks and I reiterate that one affords logically what one wants to afford. Its a perception thing and we all have perceived values of things material and immaterial. We all understand that people are in business to make a living. I do too. There is reasonability and then there is gouging. I immensely respect ESLs ability to repair/ refurbish Naks. But guys! An open heart surgery reimburses a doctor today for less than $4000 in many insurance plans.$3500-$4500 for a cassette deck! You bet thats a lot of perception distortion here. I guess thats whats free market is all about. Jeff is only doing what the market in his opinion wants.....or not! Time will tell the truth. We shall all witness that sooner rather than later. Pour your guts out folks. PLease! I am in a mood for it this afternoon! Regards, Ram Graham Nelson wrote: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 31 March 2007 18:37 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Rick, [Nelson] .... ESL s position is that to buy a deck costing $3800 in 1980 would take $9500 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation. I do not buy that much bull! Not even for the mighty ZXL.Even though I might be able to afford it, and I really can! [Nelson] If you can afford that how'd you like to contribute to the Graham Nelson (Nakamichi) Collection Benevolent Fund? I go without food to keep the ZX-9 running ... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 22:42:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a playback puzzle In-Reply-To: <460EC3BE.6090200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45987.27790.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its the left pinch roller - thats the one driven by the belt. Check to see if both rollers have good contact with the capstan. Bala Kevin MacDonald wrote: Ron and Bala -- Thanks!! So I think I'm a little closer to solving this one. Took of the door plate, cleaned the pinch rollers, and then isolated the locality of the problem. I'm wondering if the left pinch roller either needs to be replaced or if somehow its not brought up to the pin with enough pressure. Is it right that the left pinch roller can easily be brought to a stop during play with a finger or q-tip, while the right pinch roller cannot be stopped? Anyway when I put my finger under the left pinch roller assembly and press upwards with a little bit of pressure, the tape plays normally. Yet this is only the case with those certain 3 tapes I mentioned before. Other tapes play fine with no manipulation of the roller assembly (?!?) Thanks for your tips, at least it got me this far. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Mar 31 23:17:24 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:17:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jeff Galin of ESL gives very expenisive advice. Message-ID: <005801c773d9$fa7d1f70$6701a8c0@main> I had a CR7A repaired by Jeff. I was very pleased with his advice, service, turnaround time and information obtained directly from his tech who worked on the unit. I really understand his policy of preferring to do complete overhauls, but he supported my request to minimize the work performed to lower cost. . Once you tear a deck down to fix one thing and rebuild from there only to find another problem requiring you to tear it down again it makes a lot of sense to replace things while you are into the deck. It is also very reasonable that he keeps the rare parts he has on hand (or prices them high to avoid selling them) to support his work not to supply others with them and let them do the work. If you want the parts and won't pay Jeff's price, try Nakamichi corporation! He is a repair service not a parts supplier or hobbyist giving out cheap advice for doing work he will not get. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 1 00:57:11 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:57:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 : FF or RW before Read In-Reply-To: <0062a103aeae8f02d8495dce40530552@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430175711.00892120@earthlink.net> Gaston, Describe what you see in more detail. I do not understand what "read" refers to. Play? If the tape does not take up slack when loaded, but will play FF and RW, then the idler tire may require replacement. tom brucker At 11:34 PM 4/30/07 +0200, you wrote: >I have bought a BX 300 that does'nt read before the FF or RW switches >have been >pushed. What could be the cure ? >Thanks for your expertise >Audiophil regards >Guschty > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 1 01:00:26 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX - Shy Level Meters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430180026.00893310@earthlink.net> Kimo Yap sez C901,902,903 orange caps. This is the third 680 with this problem. Looks like this may become a common repair. tom brucker At 04:09 PM 4/30/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Just plugged in the latest and LAST (So I'm told) acquisition. A vey nice deck with low mileage and one careful owner!!??!! Aren't they all. This one at first try functions well in every respect except, the level meters come on when powered up and after about 1 minute, they go off. It may be my imagination, but they seem to come back on whenever I don't look at them. When I do they go off again. My first thought is Caps again, anyone else seen this one? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue May 1 00:18:02 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:18:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX - Shy Level Meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A475801-8778-407F-9A70-C89416D59CF0@thegreatbear.net> hi ben..if you search the archives, Kimo had a similar issue with his 680 meters: > I finally figured out the 680zx meters; a bad orange cap. When I > had the original problem (which > I eventually think was a result of the broken flat ribbon cable), > I'd swapped out all the caps with ones > I'd had from other machines, with no change, but, since at least > one wasn't the right voltage (low, but > the schemaatic looked like the part was well over-speced in that > aspect), I'd put the originals back when > they didn't fix the other problem. > > I was able to figure this out finally as when I realized it was > thermal, I just went out and got a can > of the freeze-um (tetrafluoroethane) spray to pinpoint the issue. > > Thanks for all the help. Now I just need that bulb supplier and > part numbers from Tom so I can order > those and some transistors that I've also substituted in the motor > control circuits whilst I was figuring out > what all the other problems were. And a few other things...-kby orange caps again... luckily both my 68x series decks function well now and the meters are fine.. good luck adrian On 30 Apr 2007, at 21:09, Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Just plugged in the latest and LAST (So I'm told) acquisition. A > vey nice deck with low mileage and one careful owner!!??!! Aren't > they all. This one at first try functions well in every respect > except, the level meters come on when powered up and after about 1 > minute, they go off. It may be my imagination, but they seem to > come back on whenever I don't look at them. When I do they go off > again. My first thought is Caps again, anyone else seen this one? > Best Regards, Ben > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue May 1 01:32:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <936945.84572.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, The AD converter and computer does not run on the 12volts and hence noise on the supply may have limited impact. If the buzz affects the supply, even at -20dB, it would be playing havoc with the auto-azimuth circuit, because the auto-azimuth is partially computer controlled. And as the computer is stepping from azimuth, to level and to bias at least, that means it isn't corrupt. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:31:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Bernard, There is a strong possibility that the buzzing symptom is what causes the bias ABLE to "bail". Bias is adjusted at -20VU, so the buzz interferes! I'll bet there is a power supply problem. The ZXL has some fairly heavy capacitors that could break their connections in shipping. Since you are in Korea.....many of us have wondered if there is a Japanese Nakamichi club. I know there is a McIntosh club that uses the orignial Macs, so there must be a Nak club. You may discover Nakamichi service in Japan, or even in Korea. tom brucker At 08:16 PM 4/30/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue May 1 03:35:42 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:35:42 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Tue May 1 03:53:16 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:53:16 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <936945.84572.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue May 1 04:09:41 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <556069.15102.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben: If you can get hold of some IN-SYNC Labs realtime recorded cassette taps ( made of TDK SA and SA-X duplicated in Dolby B or C realtime from master tapes onto Nakamichi 582s ) on your ZXL you will be amazed how good they sound. Most of the materials in these IN-SYNC tapes are classical music. Best Regards, Michael Bernard White wrote: OK. I'm so grateful to all of you for being willing to help me on this project. I spent some time ages ago trying to find Nak experts in Japan and Korea; couldn't locate any on the internet. It was only when I was visiting here last year that a Hi Fi shop owner told me that there was a very capable technician who had some Nak experience right here in this city (Busan, a city of some 4 million people). I took the deck to him, but it was just a few days before I was leaving, so I couldn't do anything but cross my fingers that he'd be able to do something with it. The poor fellow had no manual to work with and had not seen a ZXL before. Can't blame him for not completely fixing everything, I suppose. If we can talk him through the problems, that would be absolutely great. The main problem is he doesn't speak English, though he probably knows some of the English terms for various components. I'll have to work through my fiance. What I'll do is write down the ideas that you have all given me so far and give them to him with explanation (and the manual!) I hope to be able to do that within the next couple of days. In the meantime, are there any part numbers and page numbers in the manual that I should make a note of for him? Bala, I totally agree. It's a comparatively easy thing to have a clear recording of a jazz group or other small ensemble, easy in that case to congratulate yourself on how wonderful your system sounds; but to reproduce the final minutes of a massive work like Mahler's Eighth Symphony - with its HUGE orchestra, double choir plus boys' choir, and half dozen soloists - is quite simply beyond the average system. Apart from anything else, the sound stage is so large. Then again, something as supposedly simple as a piano is actually quite tricky to capture faithfully, too. Let the project begin! Bernard --------------------------------- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT) DIV {margin:0px;} Tom, The AD converter and computer does not run on the 12volts and hence noise on the supply may have limited impact. If the buzz affects the supply, even at -20dB, it would be playing havoc with the auto-azimuth circuit, because the auto-azimuth is partially computer controlled. And as the computer is stepping from azimuth, to level and to bias at least, that means it isn't corrupt. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:31:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Bernard, There is a strong possibility that the buzzing symptom is what causes the bias ABLE to "bail". Bias is adjusted at -20VU, so the buzz interferes! I'll bet there is a power supply problem. The ZXL has some fairly heavy capacitors that could break their connections in shipping. Since you are in Korea.....many of us have wondered if there is a Japanese Nakamichi club. I know there is a McIntosh club that uses the orignial Macs, so there must be a Nak club. You may discover Nakamichi service in Japan, or even in Korea. tom brucker At 08:16 PM 4/30/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2746??PS=47575>Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 1 05:05:42 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <936945.84572.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <388439.49112.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Bala, Got the ZXL back today from Tom. Works like a charm now. Speed is perfect. Great sound! Thanks Tom. For the priority given to the ZXL and fro the expert repair! ONE issue, however, after about 2 hours of rec/play. The tape just stops suddenly! in rec/play. Then starts back as though nothing happened when I push play/rec. There is no slack of tape or anything. Happened twice so far. Anything I can do? I hate shipping again! packing takes a day for this one! Thanks Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Tom, The AD converter and computer does not run on the 12volts and hence noise on the supply may have limited impact. If the buzz affects the supply, even at -20dB, it would be playing havoc with the auto-azimuth circuit, because the auto-azimuth is partially computer controlled. And as the computer is stepping from azimuth, to level and to bias at least, that means it isn't corrupt. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:31:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Bernard, There is a strong possibility that the buzzing symptom is what causes the bias ABLE to "bail". Bias is adjusted at -20VU, so the buzz interferes! I'll bet there is a power supply problem. The ZXL has some fairly heavy capacitors that could break their connections in shipping. Since you are in Korea.....many of us have wondered if there is a Japanese Nakamichi club. I know there is a McIntosh club that uses the orignial Macs, so there must be a Nak club. You may discover Nakamichi service in Japan, or even in Korea. tom brucker At 08:16 PM 4/30/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. 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Since I have too many Naks( most superior to the Dr2) I want to sell this beauty. Please contact me off list if any of you are interested. I shall wait a week before I ebay it. I also have an MR1( used- but working fully) for sale. Reason for sale is the same. Too many Naks. Regards, Ram --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 1 08:48:08 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:48:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Message-ID: Hi Donald, Very pity...as "Almost" generic replacements are NOT 100% sounding the same as the originals ones! But it's true...today relatively cheap MM cartridges is "Not good for Sell"...as turntables declined to be used today! At "Meantime"...very expensive MC cartridges sells their self very well as still "Turntables Fans"...who still buying very expensive tables & arms. Cheers, Alex! From: donald.sangster at xtra.co.nzTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:04:42 +1200 Down here in NZ you can only get generic ones. I had to get a generic VMS20 type and slightly alter the mount to fit it onto a M20FL model, which was the predecessor to the VMS30. Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Dear Ian, Yes I own also a VMS30 MKll (Blue colour stylus front body) which use the "Fine Line" tip stylus shape whole cartridge, + with two newer model Super OM body,one "TP4" for my Technics SL-10 turntable & the normal one with screws with two 40 Stylus & one 30. Yes it's true that Ortofon need 400/500 mf but at that time Ortofon also released some type of pins 210 mf capacitor so with such add on capacitor the nominally mf was dropped to an a much lower/real capacitance, for mostly or the arms leads during the 70/80ties era! To my knowledge, exist there in UK an a Ortofon official representative. The Ortofon company still producing VMS Mkll new stylus, so I don't recommend you, my dear Ian, to buy some "Generic OEM ones...mostly from Switzerland or "Musunic" there in UK. Yes MUST buy fresher ones as stocked many years what you wrote aged damping/polymers is true. Maybe the VMS 20MKll was newer that the VMS 30MKll, but with Elliptical point instead the more expensive "Fine Line" one as the earlier 30Mkll. BTW...To your mail address can I send you some photos, that tomorrow I will make specially for you & already have the private mail address of Shaun, so for him it's OK Peace, Alex! > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:24:27 +0100> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: earthrite at gn.apc.org> Subject: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20> > Hi Alex / Shaun> > Alex if I understand you ..... you are saying > Alex should replace the VMS 20 stylus with a '30 > FL'.> > What is a 30FL ..... I ask because I need a new > stylus for my Ortofon VMS30 and can only find > unbranded replacements (albeit from a respected > firm) ..... "The replacement stylus company" or > something like that in Wales who have OEM > replacements but I expect they are last of the > line old stock at £40 ..... and you talk about > aged damping polymers etc.> > So I have not know what to buy and began looking > for a new stylus but one can't audition them > these days so thats not a easy process either. > Knowing what to buy secondhand isnt easy either > if one cant get replacement styli or servicing > (at a price I can afford guys!)> > So is the 30FL an updated Ortofon replacement stylus or ........ what?> > I recall te VMS cartridges were supposed to have > 400 mf resistance to sound right ..... I never > achieved that .... have you Alex? You know dont > you that the 20 upgrades to the 30 by dint of the > replacement styli ....?> > Thanks for your posts and dont let the off > topikers get too agitated this neednt be a long > thread!> > ian r> > PS. The weather here in Scotland's southern hills > is an unprecedented 21 degrees ...... heavens its > April but the garden is enjoying it so far and so > am I> > Good Lord> > > > From: Alex Cozac > Subject: RE: BX-300> > My dear Shaun,> > Yes...I'm extremely happy for you, that you > "Rediscovered" the magic of "Vinyl"...I > completely agreed with your statement!!! > However...please change your cartridge, because > "Don't match 100% the Sme Series 2 Improved arm > mass" (Hoping that you own NOT the fixed shell?). > If you own the "Fixed" shell...leave the > cartridge, & change only the needle/stilly for a > better one 30FL...which use a better stilly > profile...helping you to guard your precious > Vinyl collection.> Also...I'm 1005 sure that the "Rubber Damping' > inside your old 20E needle it's > damaged/aged...cleaning yhe "Tip" NOT help.> > Happy listening,> > Alex!> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 29/04/2007 6:30 a.m. _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 09:07:19 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 03:07:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <8C959D67E4D51E7-1A38-13616@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bernard, Download the 1000ZXL service manual from www.ebaman.com and then print it off on A3 (Large) paper(Over 100 pages). Go through all the component lists and pick out all the parts listed PP Capacitor with a highlighter pen. The left hand column on the lists will have the I.D of the part which is noted on the circuit diagram, which you can then cross reference and highlight on the drawing. Luckily, only 7 of the 23 circuit boards have these PP Caps. If you contact me off line, I have a document that has all the PP capacitors part numbers listed for each of the 7 circuit boards which I could send you to speed up the process. There are some very hard to get capacitors here, which I could supply if you wish. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 09:16:22 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 03:16:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <8C959D7C17AA05E-1A38-13650@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Mike, These sound just what I'm Looking for. Something to bring to life the decks best assets. I'll keep an eye out for them, Many Thanks. There are on the ususl place a number of Audiophile CD's and Vinyl. Does anyone have a view as to their improvement (Or Not) over the standard versions? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 09:22:53 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 03:22:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <8C959D8AAE77A06-1A38-13664@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> RAMM, During the process of repairing my deck, this issue occurred out of the blue. It would play for a while then stop and play again if you press start with no problem. I wiggled all the boards to try to find a short / dry joint, then I removed the face plate and connectors (20 or so) and cleaned all the small connector pins. After this, the problem disappeared. I couldn't guarantee success but this is what happened. My deck has been played for about 10 hours now and it has not returned. Good Luck. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 14:22:40 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:22:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX - Shy Level Meters Message-ID: <8C95A028B8FB8CC-DBC-388@WEBMAIL-RC20.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Tom, Some new caps ordered, (most in stock already). May as well change all 21 PP caps in one go rather than just the three. Will change them at the weekend and report back. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 1 15:03:46 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <8C959D8AAE77A06-1A38-13664@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <661429.84239.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one moody machine......although very capable. Its the only one in the world with ABLE and any crappy tape records like its a super metal! I just hate to open it again.The deck's drive mechanisms are pretty strong(reel table I mean) Time will tell the rest of the story. Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: RAMM, During the process of repairing my deck, this issue occurred out of the blue. It would play for a while then stop and play again if you press start with no problem. I wiggled all the boards to try to find a short / dry joint, then I removed the face plate and connectors (20 or so) and cleaned all the small connector pins. After this, the problem disappeared. I couldn't guarantee success but this is what happened. My deck has been played for about 10 hours now and it has not returned. Good Luck. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue May 1 15:26:56 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A DR 2 Available- Brand new. In-Reply-To: <916807.2010.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <216064.58214.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ramm, How much do you want? Is the DR-2 a two head? I think someone said that the DR series is virtually the same as the 'cassette deck" series???? Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi Folks, I happened to stumble on a Brand new DR2 in its original box recenly. Since I have too many Naks( most superior to the Dr2) I want to sell this beauty. Please contact me off list if any of you are interested. I shall wait a week before I ebay it. I also have an MR1( used- but working fully) for sale. Reason for sale is the same. Too many Naks. Regards, Ram --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zbrak at yahoo.com Tue May 1 16:30:20 2007 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording Message-ID: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi Naktalk! I'm a frequent lurker here, digging up info on how to keep my five Naks (2 x 600, a BX-300, a BX-100 and now a BX-1) running happily. My "new" BX-1 (a thrift store find that just needed an idler wheel) has an issue that is puzzling me. The unit sounds great on playback, but it has intermittent static on both channels during recording. Really sounds like a "dirty" connection somewhere. Seems to happen on all types of tapes as well, with or without Dolby engaged. As a test, I tried putting some DeOxit on the VRs for EX tapes (and moving them around a bit), but that doesn't appeared to have made any difference. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this issue? Thanks in advance for the help, Greg --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 1 01:41:01 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:41:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <936945.84572.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070430184101.0088fe00@earthlink.net> Aren't azimuth and level 400 Hz at 0 vu? I'll have to study the flowchart. tom brucker At 04:32 PM 4/30/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Tom, The AD converter and computer does not run on the 12volts and hence noise on the supply may have limited impact. If the buzz affects the supply, even at -20dB, it would be playing havoc with the auto-azimuth circuit, because the auto-azimuth is partially computer controlled. And as the computer is stepping from azimuth, to level and to bias at least, that means it isn't corrupt. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Hi Tech To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:31:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Bernard, There is a strong possibility that the buzzing symptom is what causes the bias ABLE to "bail". Bias is adjusted at -20VU, so the buzz interferes! I'll bet there is a power supply problem. The ZXL has some fairly heavy capacitors that could break their connections in shipping. Since you are in Korea.....many of us have wondered if there is a Japanese Nakamichi club. I know there is a McIntosh club that uses the orignial Macs, so there must be a Nak club. You may discover Nakamichi service in Japan, or even in Korea. tom brucker At 08:16 PM 4/30/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> Thanks for the info, Bala. I'm a musician - a classical pianist - but not a technician's little finger. You will therefore pardon me, I hope, for questioning you further! I'm not even sure what an oscillator IS! How can it be missing from the unit?? What should I say to my technician. Does one need to be purchased from somewhere? (And yes, the unit's with me in Korea. Ironically, it was purchased from someone in Singapore - which is where you are? - who didn't think he was able to get it fixed there and didn't have time for his hobby anymore, anyway.) I've done some more listening to the unit and can add more comments that may confirm your diagnosis or not. Yesterday I said that after the azimuth light flashes, the Bias lights come on and then all the rest come on together. But this only happens sometimes. There are two other ways it may go. Sometimes, it doesn't go past azimuth at all. Sometimes it moves past azimuth and onto bias, but stops there! In the last two cases, the Run light stays on. But in the first case - where ALL the lights start flashing, as soon as they do that the Run light goes off. The buzzing noise. It sits at about -20 to -10 dB. It doesn't alter when I adjust the volume, but you probably already guessed that. Along with it, there's a problem when I manually adjust EQ and Dolby. As I switch from 70 to 120, there's a noise and the sound quality deteriorates. Likewise when I switch from Dolby Off to Dolby On; in that case the deterioration is even worse. So, even when I'm listening to a Type I tape which was recorded with Dolby, it sounds not only less noisy but clearer than when I'm listening to it with the correct settings. Furthermore, when I first turn the machine on, the left channel has a lower output than the right channel. Only after leaving the machine on for about an hour do the levels come out the same. Are these all part of the same problem - or are there multiple problems. What is recapping? Can any technician do this? I need to take the machine to the technician, along with my fiance/translator. If I could go there and direct him to certain places on the Service Manual, it might be possible to get this fixed over here. I'm simply not able to tackle it myself. I'd happily post it over to you (if you do paid work of this kind), but you know how difficult it is to post this thing. I got as far as having it double-boxed two and a bit years ago, about to send it to Mr Sank, but the PO wouldn't accept a box that big and the postage costs through other agencies was enormous. So I let it be. Any suggestions? Like you, I'm an admirer of this deck and don't see why they can't be fixed. With much appreciation, Bernard ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2 746??PS=47575>Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 1 17:04:34 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:04:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46375702.7010306@yahoo.ca> Hi, I think it's due to the orange caps. They fail in a lot of Naks. My black BX-2 has the same problem, there are even dropouts in recording I still haven't touched anything on the main PCB though. zbrak a écrit : > Hi Naktalk! > > I'm a frequent lurker here, digging up info on how to keep my five > Naks (2 x 600, a BX-300, a > BX-100 and now a BX-1) running happily. > > My "new" BX-1 (a thrift store find that just needed an idler wheel) > has an issue that is > puzzling me. The unit sounds great on playback, but it has > intermittent static on both > channels during recording. Really sounds like a "dirty" connection > somewhere. Seems to > happen on all types of tapes as well, with or without Dolby engaged. > > As a test, I tried putting some DeOxit on the VRs for EX tapes (and > moving them around a > bit), but that doesn't appeared to have made any difference. > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this issue? > > Thanks in advance for the help, > Greg From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 1 17:11:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 10:11:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070501101113.00892600@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1700 bytes Desc: not available URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue May 1 17:39:30 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:39:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ortofon generics In-Reply-To: <200705011001.l41A1BCh013747@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705011001.l41A1BCh013747@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: So Donald I just (unfortunately) had to buy a generic, (but btgog) it was cheap enough to try at the price , I still havent found an Ortofon product that i know is new stock ....... but I am slightly bored with the brightness of the ortofon sound and may find an old Denon or Nagaoka or an affordable Linn moving coil before too long. How do you find the generic replacement ..... slightly reminds me of the recent OEM belts or generic belts ..er discussions but we wont go there ...... :-) peace ian r scotland From: "Donald Sangster" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alex's Ortofon VMS20 Down here in NZ you can only get generic ones. I had to get a generic VMS20 type and slightly alter the mount to fit it onto a M20FL model, which was the predecessor to the VMS30. Donald From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 1 16:33:27 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 09:33:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <8C959D8AAE77A06-1A38-13664@webmail-db06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070501093327.00890100@earthlink.net> I ran several prerecorded tapes with no problem. Could this be related to the tape's length? Ben, are you saying the contacts on the play, FF, RW etc. buttons themselves are the likely cause? From the front mechanism control switch asy. the service manual shows 2 hard wired bundles to the logic board, with CN32 being the play/stop buttons. CN32 connector is on the middle front of the logic board, the board behind and to the right of the 5th from left hand controls EQ 120/70 switch . It has 7 wires in it. It might be much simpler to clean here first. Bala, Are the CN 32 wires routed to the top left corner of the front panel? Ram's ZXL had quite a bit of tension and possible pinching of wires in this corner. I thought I had repositioned them to relieve their stress, but it is possible one wire is pinched. tom brucker At 03:22 AM 5/1/07 -0400, you wrote: >>>> RAMM, During the process of repairing my deck, this issue occurred out of the blue. It would play for a while then stop and play again if you press start with no problem. I wiggled all the boards to try to find a short / dry joint, then I removed the face plate and connectors (20 or so) and cleaned all the small connector pins. After this, the problem disappeared. I couldn't guarantee success but this is what happened. My deck has been played for about 10 hours now and it has not returned. Good Luck. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue May 1 19:07:08 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:07:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <661429.84239.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: 01 May 2007 14:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Ben, Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one moody machine......[Nelson] ... Ram [Nelson] No prizes for guessing it's gender, then!!! ;o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zbrak at yahoo.com Tue May 1 19:11:45 2007 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording Message-ID: <470282.29524.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Still noisy after a proper demag. Seems to be somewhat less but I'm not sure. Greg --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 1 19:54:19 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 19:54:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46377ECB.2080502@peromarta.org> Probably needs electronic adjustment if difference is not too much. Is it one channel lower on other decks, or is it the other channel that's a bit higher? You should record a test tone at 400Hz 0dB and compare in other decks to troubleshoot further. rgds, lp. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Ram, > That was my first instinct - to play the tapes in the Dragon which will > be ok. But no, it also has a lower left channel, maybe not so low as > the other decks, difficult to be precise as the Dragon meters are less > comprehensive than some decks. I need to give this some thought. > Perhaps a tracking issue? > The CR-7 had a service and new heads in 2002 @ Bowers and Wilkins and > has not been overused since. Probably needs a return trip soon, But I'd > like to sort this out myself. > Best Regards, Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 1 19:56:00 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 19:56:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46377F30.7030900@peromarta.org> Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > FANTASTIC! The deck is recording very very well. Will have to try a > few more sources, but this now resolves all outstanding issues with this > deck and it runs perfectly. Lets hope it stays that way. Ben, zero offset on these machines output apms is critical. Foolow the service manual with care. rgds, LP. > Best Regards, Ben. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 1 20:01:06 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:01:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem - Track Alignment In-Reply-To: <8C9594A198CD5D6-4A4-1048B@WEBMAIL-DF07.sysops.aol.com> References: <200704301000.l3UA0Yp3019379@zxe.naks.com> <8C9594A198CD5D6-4A4-1048B@WEBMAIL-DF07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46378062.5020500@peromarta.org> Or I can supply a nice set here: http://www.peromarta.org/naks/naks/cal_tapes.html rgds, LP. johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ben > > Yes there is an alternative to a Nakamichi Track Alignment tape - but > it's not as precise a technique. > > This could be a real can of worms, because it's quite possible that you > might attempt an adjustment of Track Alignment and end up worse off if > the results are hard to decipher - it might also be the case that Guide > Alignment is out - but we have to assume that it's not for the moment. > For a start, I'd recommend reading through pages 2 to 4 of the service > manual (if you haven't done so already) to get an overview of the > mechanical adjustments. > > But the technique of adjusting Play Head Track in lieu of the Track > Alignment Tape is simply to adjust the Play Head Head-Height Adjuster > for maximum output on both channels when playing a test tape with the > same (fairly high) level recorded on both channels. You could use a > 400Hz Level Tape for this purpose (both channels 400Hz at 200nWb/m) - > but frequencies a little higher work better. If you have a deck that you > are sure is adjusted properly - make a recording on it at 0dB at > somewhere in the 1kHz to 3kHz area (see what works best for you in terms > of Track adjustment sensitivity). Use this tape to adjust the Playback > Head Height on your CR-7. Before you touch the track adjuster - please > mark its current position with a marking pen - just in case you want to > back track. Correct track will give the highest playback readings. > Adjust Track then Azimuth and repeat these two until both are correct. > > When you are confident that Play Head Track is correct, do Record Head > Track. For this, record 400Hz 0dB on both channels, and adjust Record > Head Track (Record Head Height) until the playback output is maximised > for both channels - as on the Play adjustment, do Track then Azimuth for > the Record Head and repeat in turn until both are correctly adjusted. > Don't bother doing accurate record level and bias adjustments until > these mechanical adjustments are completed. > > The above technique can be used on any Nakamichi two head or three head > that has a Head Height adjuster - obviously on a two head deck (eg 480), > you just do Playback Track. I haven't played with a CR-7 for ages, and > there may be complications due to its automated calibration features. > Please let me know how you get on, and if the above is confusing, my > apologies - sometimes these things are easy enough to do, but very hard > to explain in an email. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 8 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 > To: naktalk at naks.com "");> Cc: Benstratford at aol.com > > Message-ID: <8C958919BF43E0A-918-82C0 at mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com > "");>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Ben > > If your CR-7 problem was just azimuth, I would expect the other decks to > have roughly equal L & R signals that lacked high frequency detail when > playing a tape made on your CR-7 - as they all seem to play back with > weak L channel - I'd be more inclined to suspect that the CR-7 track > alignment is out - do you have a track alignment tape? > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 13 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:55:07 EDT > From: Benstratford at aol.com > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Problem > To: naktalk at naks.com "");> > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Just noticed that all tapes recorded on the CR-7 which play very well on > the CR-7 do not play well on other naks. On all other decks, the left > channel is a lot lower than the right. Must be azimuth I would guess, > Any views? > > Best Regards, Ben. > > > Message: 10 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:23:01 EDT > From: Benstratford at aol.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 50, Issue 74 > To: naktalk at naks.com "");> Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John, > > No, I don't have the track alignment tape at the moment, I'm hunting for > one though. I's there any way around not having the tape? > > Best Regards, Ben > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 19:31:23 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:31:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: Alas Tom, No I'm not. I tried to backtrack to reverse the things that I had disturbed. I used the scatter gun approach to cleaning all the pins in one go related to the plugs attached to the faceplate. There were no hardwired leads from the face plate, all had plugs for attaching to the PCB so the face could be fully removed. I therefore could not say which may have helped relieve the problem. There is also a possibility that I hadn't fully pushed home a plug or some other related issue. It was odd that the same thing happened that RAMM described and then cleared after this procedure. Perhaps I have not understood the question as intended, please advise if this is so. If I recall correctly, the plug for CN32 was routed through a gap underneath the transport asy. Certainly cleaning those as you describe would indeed be the best area to try first. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will be receiving a set of calibration tapes and a the return of my T-100 soon. Once these are to hand, I'll start to investigate. The 680 Caps have now jumped the queue for the next bench session. Many Thanks. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue May 1 20:38:47 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:38:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Success. (TOTAL) Message-ID: Thanks again for your advice Luis. The electrical calibration is the next step. I will tackle this before too long. Need to get a new tube for my VTVM which had an accident! I was hoping to get some gauges for the mechanical alignment prior to electrical calibration but this is taking longer than expected. So I will calibrate anyway. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 1 21:47:32 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A DR 2 Available- Brand new. In-Reply-To: <216064.58214.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <956006.6995.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Its a 3 head deck. runs perfect. ran this machine for an hour(re/pb) so i knwo if it runs. Runs perfect. Thanks. ramn Bob Naylor wrote: Ramm, How much do you want? Is the DR-2 a two head? I think someone said that the DR series is virtually the same as the 'cassette deck" series???? Bob shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi Folks, I happened to stumble on a Brand new DR2 in its original box recenly. Since I have too many Naks( most superior to the Dr2) I want to sell this beauty. Please contact me off list if any of you are interested. I shall wait a week before I ebay it. I also have an MR1( used- but working fully) for sale. Reason for sale is the same. Too many Naks. Regards, Ram --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue May 1 22:17:13 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:17:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <7ADF0845-0C0C-480B-B016-3BB37FA951FA@alumni.caltech.edu> > Ben, > > Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I > used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the > entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one > moody machine......although very capable. Its the only one in the > world with ABLE and any crappy tape records like its a super metal! > > I just hate to open it again.The deck's drive mechanisms are > pretty strong(reel table I mean) > > Time will tell the rest of the story. > > Ram Tom, Ram, I have found the MA-R spools, while smooth, seem to have a bit more inertial. My gold ZXL is a little finicky when it comes to going into rewind-cue mode from ff-cue mode (i.e. reversing direction into rewind while in cue mode, or during a RAMM seek after it passes the signal while fast), and the one MA-R I have something on shows this up more consistently than other well- performing tapes (i.e. not including the XLII-S tapes I mentioned from B&B that seem a bit sticky). In terms of bias adjustment, it seems to me Maxell Metal Capsule, and even more Sony Super Metal Master (or their equivalents seem to have bias requirments closer to the outer limits; when my deck has otherwise worked OK with other tapes it would tend to not be able to autocal on these, and some electrical tune-ups help. YMMV. I also recall that when I sent my gold deck in the first time (while I still had a local tech), it came back with a problem where it would occasionally not auto-stop during play or record (I think FF/ Rew were OK). If you held the takeup hub with no cassette, it would be fine. The tech mumbled something about having seen this in all silent mechansim machines and had something to do with the way the photosensor circuit detects the holes in the wheel. He seemed to know what he needed to do and indeed when it came back the next time that particular issue was fixed. It's the opposite problem in a sense of what you are having, but I'm mentioning in case it's related, especially if Tom knows what he was talking about.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue May 1 22:46:38 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:46:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems In-Reply-To: <8C95A028B8FB8CC-DBC-388@WEBMAIL-RC20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Naktalk! As a frequent lurker here, I've noticed many problems being solved by the replacement of the orange colored caps. My 580 has 17 to 20 of the orange caps & also a very annoying meter problem..... When in play/record mode, the left meter goes immediately to the 0 Vu position. No sound or anything, and when the tape advances to a position where the recorded material starts, it plays/records just fine. Does this sound like it could be related to cap failure? It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to replace the caps, but it might be a little time consuming. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated ;-) Thanks, Dennis Ball -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed May 2 00:45:28 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 23:45:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one moody machine......[Nelson] ... Ram [Nelson] No prizes for guessing it's gender, then!!! ;o) Does blue print mean you are wispering this bit Gra'? Ben [Nelson] Too damned right! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 00:16:42 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 17:16:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <470282.29524.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070501171642.007a37f0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It turns out that the same problem now show up on the other VU meter. I go in and replaced the one capacitor in the suspected channel and the problem go away. I end up replaced all the capacitors in the two VU meter circuitry. They are not orange caps through ( just regular electrolytic caps ). Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Hi Naktalk! As a frequent lurker here, I've noticed many problems being solved by the replacement of the orange colored caps. My 580 has 17 to 20 of the orange caps & also a very annoying meter problem..... When in play/record mode, the left meter goes immediately to the 0 Vu position. No sound or anything, and when the tape advances to a position where the recorded material starts, it plays/records just fine. Does this sound like it could be related to cap failure? It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to replace the caps, but it might be a little time consuming. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed May 2 01:08:14 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:08:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070501171642.007a37f0@earthlink.net> References: <470282.29524.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20070501171642.007a37f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910705011608x42fd3a1t7038df74a2e65783@mail.gmail.com> >A magnetized head sounds extra hissy, with some louder "chunk" sounds. If >this deck is new to you it might have magnetized guides or head hardware? > If you have a brand new tape, try playing the first minute. Rewind the >tape and play again. If you hear more noise, then something is >magnetized. If not, it could be orange caps, but I find it odd that both >channels got noisy at once. > > Ah! Tighten the screws fastening the pc board to the chassis. >One screw is the ground, and you will get static if it is a poor Good suggestion there! >contact. tom brucker -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 2 01:14:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 19:14:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4637C9BA.6000409@rcn.com> I've run into a 'static' problem a few times, on several Nak decks and a receiver. In all cases, it was a hairline cracks in PCB joints. I located by tapping with the eraser end of a pencil and a freezing spray. In one case, (MR-1) I couldn't zero in on it finer than a 2" by 2" area, so I re-soldered every blessed joint in that section and this cured it (lucky me...). To test whether that's your problem, check if mechanical shock makes a difference in the noise. -- Ron zbrak wrote: > Hi Naktalk! > > I'm a frequent lurker here, digging up info on how to keep my five Naks > (2 x 600, a BX-300, a > BX-100 and now a BX-1) running happily. > > My "new" BX-1 (a thrift store find that just needed an idler wheel) has > an issue that is > puzzling me. The unit sounds great on playback, but it has intermittent > static on both > channels during recording. Really sounds like a "dirty" connection > somewhere. Seems to > happen on all types of tapes as well, with or without Dolby engaged. > > As a test, I tried putting some DeOxit on the VRs for EX tapes (and > moving them around a > bit), but that doesn't appeared to have made any difference. > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this issue? > > Thanks in advance for the help, > Greg From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed May 2 01:59:45 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:59:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording In-Reply-To: <4637C9BA.6000409@rcn.com> References: <398797.88100.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4637C9BA.6000409@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910705011659t53119138j66f81f7ac497509d@mail.gmail.com> So Naks have this problem too then! 2007/5/1, Ron : > > I've run into a 'static' problem a few times, on several > Nak decks and a receiver. In all cases, it was a hairline > cracks in PCB joints. I located by tapping with the eraser > end of a pencil and a freezing spray. In one case, (MR-1) > I couldn't zero in on it finer than a 2" by 2" area, so I > re-soldered every blessed joint in that section and this > cured it (lucky me...). > > To test whether that's your problem, check if mechanical > shock makes a difference in the noise. > > -- Ron > > > zbrak wrote: > > Hi Naktalk! > > > > I'm a frequent lurker here, digging up info on how to keep my five Naks > > (2 x 600, a BX-300, a > > BX-100 and now a BX-1) running happily. > > > > My "new" BX-1 (a thrift store find that just needed an idler wheel) has > > an issue that is > > puzzling me. The unit sounds great on playback, but it has intermittent > > static on both > > channels during recording. Really sounds like a "dirty" connection > > somewhere. Seems to > > happen on all types of tapes as well, with or without Dolby engaged. > > > > As a test, I tried putting some DeOxit on the VRs for EX tapes (and > > moving them around a > > bit), but that doesn't appeared to have made any difference. > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this issue? > > > > Thanks in advance for the help, > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From zbrak at yahoo.com Wed May 2 02:03:14 2007 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording - still noisy :-( Message-ID: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Demagged this sucker again (and again) as carefully as I could (I have an old Teac R2R demagger I used for this as well as the small RS one). Tightened all the chassis > PCB screws I could find. The grounding screw on the board seems to be attached to a heatsink-type blade that screws into the back of the unit. I put some DeOxit on that one just to be on the safe side. No difference. Intermittent noise in both channels. If the sound were coming out of an amp, I'd say it sounds like someone is turning a pot with dirty contacts. Orange caps you say? Which ones? Thanks for all the help! Greg --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 04:09:33 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <530497.76628.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, My first deck had this problem, and what followed was a complete transport clean up, especially the reel and cam motor areas. It seems to have solved the problem. I had mixed results from two batches of unopened Thats MRXP tapes. One batch cal'ed and recorded very well. Another wouldn't cal on my CR7, but the 1000ZXL got it figured. On another incident, a Maxell chrome would not cal at all - until I demag and cleaned the heads and it passed. A lot of this had to do with the consistency of the tape surface and the condition of the tape. The sensing mechanism, is a small wheel with very small holes as opposed to the wheel for the counter which has bigger holes with more spacing. There are two ways to solve this problem: One is to cover the side of the bulb with a sliver of duct tape and aim the resultant beam carefully at the photo-transistor. A second would be to use a LED which is directional by nature but don't forget to add a small resistor. The spurious logic behavior is probably due to intermittent contact on the door switch or a fault on the start-up inhibit circuit. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:17:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Ben, Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one moody machine......although very capable. Its the only one in the world with ABLE and any crappy tape records like its a super metal! I just hate to open it again.The deck's drive mechanisms are pretty strong(reel table I mean) Time will tell the rest of the story. Ram Tom, Ram, I have found the MA-R spools, while smooth, seem to have a bit more inertial. My gold ZXL is a little finicky when it comes to going into rewind-cue mode from ff-cue mode (i.e. reversing direction into rewind while in cue mode, or during a RAMM seek after it passes the signal while fast), and the one MA-R I have something on shows this up more consistently than other well- performing tapes (i.e. not including the XLII-S tapes I mentioned from B&B that seem a bit sticky). In terms of bias adjustment, it seems to me Maxell Metal Capsule, and even more Sony Super Metal Master (or their equivalents seem to have bias requirments closer to the outer limits; when my deck has otherwise worked OK with other tapes it would tend to not be able to autocal on these, and some electrical tune-ups help. YMMV. I also recall that when I sent my gold deck in the first time (while I still had a local tech), it came back with a problem where it would occasionally not auto-stop during play or record (I think FF/ Rew were OK). If you held the takeup hub with no cassette, it would be fine. The tech mumbled something about having seen this in all silent mechansim machines and had something to do with the way the photosensor circuit detects the holes in the wheel. He seemed to know what he needed to do and indeed when it came back the next time that particular issue was fixed. It's the opposite problem in a sense of what you are having, but I'm mentioning in case it's related, especially if Tom knows what he was talking about.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Wed May 2 02:46:17 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:46:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems In-Reply-To: <227367.74480.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, Sounds like I have the same problem. I switched the VU meter cables and the right meter now goes to 0 Vu when in play/record mode. It looks like there are 7 caps in the general area; C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. I don't have a service manual for this unit, ($30 USD on ebay) - you don't happen to remember which cap you changed do you? Probably just better to change all 7? Thanks for your help! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems Hi Dennis: Similar problem happened to my 582 in the past except that the problem is different from yours. The problem that I have is that when there is signals on the tape one of the two VU meters' needle will swings to 0db mark and stay there. When there is no signal, the needle will return to the -20db area. However, signal level on the output is normal for both channels. Tom S. ( from Australia ) has informed me that some of the capacitors of VU meter circuitry may be bad. He suggests a quick check to see whether this is the VU meter problem or the circuitry problem by flipping the VU meter cables to see whether the problem follow the switch. It turns out that the same problem now show up on the other VU meter. I go in and replaced the one capacitor in the suspected channel and the problem go away. I end up replaced all the capacitors in the two VU meter circuitry. They are not orange caps through ( just regular electrolytic caps ). Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Hi Naktalk! As a frequent lurker here, I've noticed many problems being solved by the replacement of the orange colored caps. My 580 has 17 to 20 of the orange caps & also a very annoying meter problem..... When in play/record mode, the left meter goes immediately to the 0 Vu position. No sound or anything, and when the tape advances to a position where the recorded material starts, it plays/records just fine. Does this sound like it could be related to cap failure? It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to replace the caps, but it might be a little time consuming. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated ;-) Thanks, Dennis Ball ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed May 2 03:37:02 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:37:02 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IN-SYNC cassettes In-Reply-To: <556069.15102.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 03:49:49 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 730 Receiver Help In-Reply-To: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <440765.47937.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys. I was wondering if there was anyone out there with a 730 receiver that could help me. (You must actually have a 730) Contact me directly at p9019 at yahoo.com Please don't reply to this message and bombard hundreds of people with off topic threads. This is regarding a remote project for the 730 that I'm going to get started on. Thank you in advance for your help and sorry for the off topic message. Scott J. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed May 2 03:52:47 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:52:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording - still noisy :-( In-Reply-To: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4637EEEF.9070009@yahoo.ca> zbrak a écrit : > Demagged this sucker again (and again) as carefully as I could (I have > an old Teac R2R demagger I used for this as well as the small RS one). > > Tightened all the chassis > PCB screws I could find. The grounding > screw on the board seems to be attached to a heatsink-type blade that > screws into the back of the unit. I put some DeOxit on that one just > to be on the safe side. What about the little ground wire going from the transport to the chassis?(Held by a single screw w/o any lock washers) > No difference. Intermittent noise in both channels. If the sound were > coming out of an amp, I'd say it sounds like someone is turning a pot > with dirty contacts. How's the PB output when you record something? You'll at least know it's not before the REC amp if there's no noise there. If you want to have fun you can use my solution to about every problems in 70-80s electronics : Take a desoldering pump, a soldering iron, some solder and have fun rebuilding every single solder joints. > Orange caps you say? Which ones? Probably those around the heads connection. > Thanks for all the help! > > Greg > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 04:26:06 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 19:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <530497.76628.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319423.16227.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks, My ZXL is back from Tom and ran pretty well for hours. Did everything as it should. Sound was pristine, even on stuff recorded on my ZX 9 sounded better than on the ZX9. Now for the issues. 1. The play/rec function just stops as its going on suddenly. It did it to all tapes,just suddenly. The I rewind slightly and play. Alls well again for a while! I shall try cleaning the cam ares soon to fix this one. 2. Second, and more importantly, the ABLE system started calibrating long, and flashed s few times. It then did conclude cal but the recording quality was horrible. Whats the ZXLs order of cal. Is it ABLE in that order?Mine does, azimuth, bias, eq and level off late and messes up the recording. Yesterday it produced superb recordings. Its plain old frustrating that suc a capable machine is so moody! Regards. Ram Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Kimo, My first deck had this problem, and what followed was a complete transport clean up, especially the reel and cam motor areas. It seems to have solved the problem. I had mixed results from two batches of unopened Thats MRXP tapes. One batch cal'ed and recorded very well. Another wouldn't cal on my CR7, but the 1000ZXL got it figured. On another incident, a Maxell chrome would not cal at all - until I demag and cleaned the heads and it passed. A lot of this had to do with the consistency of the tape surface and the condition of the tape. The sensing mechanism, is a small wheel with very small holes as opposed to the wheel for the counter which has bigger holes with more spacing. There are two ways to solve this problem: One is to cover the side of the bulb with a sliver of duct tape and aim the resultant beam carefully at the photo-transistor. A second would be to use a LED which is directional by nature but don't forget to add a small resistor. The spurious logic behavior is probably due to intermittent contact on the door switch or a fault on the start-up inhibit circuit. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:17:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Ben, Thanks.Funny. The deck did this with my TDK MA-Rs. But when I used another version, a cheap TDK Cding metal, it recorded the entire side beautifully. No stalls...nothing. This deck is one moody machine......although very capable. Its the only one in the world with ABLE and any crappy tape records like its a super metal! I just hate to open it again.The deck's drive mechanisms are pretty strong(reel table I mean) Time will tell the rest of the story. Ram Tom, Ram, I have found the MA-R spools, while smooth, seem to have a bit more inertial. My gold ZXL is a little finicky when it comes to going into rewind-cue mode from ff-cue mode (i.e. reversing direction into rewind while in cue mode, or during a RAMM seek after it passes the signal while fast), and the one MA-R I have something on shows this up more consistently than other well- performing tapes (i.e. not including the XLII-S tapes I mentioned from B&B that seem a bit sticky). In terms of bias adjustment, it seems to me Maxell Metal Capsule, and even more Sony Super Metal Master (or their equivalents seem to have bias requirments closer to the outer limits; when my deck has otherwise worked OK with other tapes it would tend to not be able to autocal on these, and some electrical tune-ups help. YMMV. I also recall that when I sent my gold deck in the first time (while I still had a local tech), it came back with a problem where it would occasionally not auto-stop during play or record (I think FF/ Rew were OK). If you held the takeup hub with no cassette, it would be fine. The tech mumbled something about having seen this in all silent mechansim machines and had something to do with the way the photosensor circuit detects the holes in the wheel. He seemed to know what he needed to do and indeed when it came back the next time that particular issue was fixed. It's the opposite problem in a sense of what you are having, but I'm mentioning in case it's related, especially if Tom knows what he was talking about.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Wed May 2 08:26:27 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 02:26:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <8C95A99F31BFE7B-1B24-3502@WEBMAIL-DC01.sysops.aol.com> Ramm, Azimuth is the first step in the calibration process. Does it achieve this part? Try running azimuth only. If not try a few different tapes, it could be a dodgy tape. If this is ok, then run calibration using the same tape. You want to eject it first to reset everything before repeating the steps. The next steps are to roughly set B, L, E then to refine them as adjustment of one affects the others. Once they are all set, the tape rewinds back to zero. Good luck Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clintmschd at aol.com Wed May 2 05:24:50 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 23:24:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IN-SYNC cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C95A8094149DD2-510-3131@webmail-md02.sysops.aol.com> Yes,all of that is true, the tape used for prerecorded cassettes was the cheapest they could find so they shed alot. Clint -----Original Message----- From: bernardsda at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 6:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: IN-SYNC cassettes Really? Sounds interesting. I'll wait til my machine is fixed and hunt them out. Thanks for the tip, Michael. Actually, even SOME ordinary pre-recorded cassettes can sound good; but they're not reliable and not consistent in quality. Some say you need to clean your heads more often when using these, though I don't know if that's true. Bernard From: LENA WONG Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Ben: If you can get hold of some IN-SYNC Labs realtime recorded cassette taps ( made of TDK SA and SA-X duplicated in Dolby B or C realtime from master tapes onto Nakamichi 582s ) on your ZXL you will be amazed how good they sound. Most of the materials in these IN-SYNC tapes are classical music. Best Regards, Michael Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 2 05:07:27 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <609708.72847.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dennis: I will go to take a look at the 582 service manual tonight. I might remember the value. If my memory is correct it is close to the VU meter cable connector. Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Mike, Sounds like I have the same problem. I switched the VU meter cables and the right meter now goes to 0 Vu when in play/record mode. It looks like there are 7 caps in the general area; C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. I don't have a service manual for this unit, ($30 USD on ebay) - you don't happen to remember which cap you changed do you? Probably just better to change all 7? Thanks for your help! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems Hi Dennis: Similar problem happened to my 582 in the past except that the problem is different from yours. The problem that I have is that when there is signals on the tape one of the two VU meters' needle will swings to 0db mark and stay there. When there is no signal, the needle will return to the -20db area. However, signal level on the output is normal for both channels. Tom S. ( from Australia ) has informed me that some of the capacitors of VU meter circuitry may be bad. He suggests a quick check to see whether this is the VU meter problem or the circuitry problem by flipping the VU meter cables to see whether the problem follow the switch. It turns out that the same problem now show up on the other VU meter. I go in and replaced the one capacitor in the suspected channel and the problem go away. I end up replaced all the capacitors in the two VU meter circuitry. They are not orange caps through ( just regular electrolytic caps ). Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Hi Naktalk! As a frequent lurker here, I've noticed many problems being solved by the replacement of the orange colored caps. My 580 has 17 to 20 of the orange caps & also a very annoying meter problem..... When in play/record mode, the left meter goes immediately to the 0 Vu position. No sound or anything, and when the tape advances to a position where the recorded material starts, it plays/records just fine. Does this sound like it could be related to cap failure? It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to replace the caps, but it might be a little time consuming. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated ;-) Thanks, Dennis Ball ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 2 05:23:38 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: IN-SYNC cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <111180.96451.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben: A lot of the ordinary comerical pre-recorded cassettes use TYPE-I tape and could make the heads very dirty and that is why the heads need a lot of cleaning when using these kind of tapes ( pick one up and take a look at teh pressure pad especially with one that has white color and if you see a lot of brown color stuffs on it this means the oxide comes off from the tape ). Later pre-recorded cassettes start to use CrO2 but biased to 120uS other than 70uS while limited amount of those actually recorded under 70uS. Those using CrO2 with 70uS equalization sound a lot better than 120uS ones. At the top are those recording under realtime ( 1:1 transfer from master tapes to cassettes ). Only Nakamichi reference series releases in the late 80's use TDK MA tapes and recorded directly from master tapes onto NAKAMICHI ZX-9 decks. Unfortunately they only release limited titles. Hope this help. I have arouund 5000 commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes inside my house and that is one reason I prefer the DRAGON and the CR-7A with the playback head azimuth adjustment control. IMHO not even the 700/1000ZXL can beat the DRAGON/CR-7A when playing a comerical pre-recorded cassette. Best Regards, Michael Bernard White wrote: Really? Sounds interesting. I'll wait til my machine is fixed and hunt them out. Thanks for the tip, Michael. Actually, even SOME ordinary pre-recorded cassettes can sound good; but they're not reliable and not consistent in quality. Some say you need to clean your heads more often when using these, though I don't know if that's true. Bernard --------------------------------- From: LENA WONG Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Ben: If you can get hold of some IN-SYNC Labs realtime recorded cassette taps ( made of TDK SA and SA-X duplicated in Dolby B or C realtime from master tapes onto Nakamichi 582s ) on your ZXL you will be amazed how good they sound. Most of the materials in these IN-SYNC tapes are classical music. Best Regards, Michael --------------------------------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 2 11:03:53 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 02:03:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: <9D7F9206-F743-4BF2-8C32-E2032CEF8C69@alumni.caltech.edu> > Is it ABLE in that order? It's more like ABEL but it's not that simple. Azimuth is always first and it starts with bias, but it can go back to Bias even after it's started eq/level if it thinks it needs to. 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Best regards, Christopher ________________________________ Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von zbrak Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2007 16:30 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording Hi Naktalk! I'm a frequent lurker here, digging up info on how to keep my five Naks (2 x 600, a BX-300, a BX-100 and now a BX-1) running happily. My "new" BX-1 (a thrift store find that just needed an idler wheel) has an issue that is puzzling me. The unit sounds great on playback, but it has intermittent static on both channels during recording. Really sounds like a "dirty" connection somewhere. Seems to happen on all types of tapes as well, with or without Dolby engaged. As a test, I tried putting some DeOxit on the VRs for EX tapes (and moving them around a bit), but that doesn't appeared to have made any difference. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this issue? 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Azimuth is always first and it starts with bias, but it can go back to Bias even after it's started eq/level if it thinks it needs to. There's a flow chart in the service manual.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed May 2 12:24:49 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:24:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 580 level problem Message-ID: Dennis I had odd recording problems with my 581 and 582 decks and eventually replaced all the orange caps and they have been stable since. But I would avoid a solder sucker as the tracks on these early models lift off very easily. Careful use of solder wick is better. David From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed May 2 12:40:45 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:40:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 desperation Message-ID: Thanks Ron for the salutary advice on tracing faults. Not so easy though for a novice at understanding the workings of circuits. I have been checking voltages through and find that Vin fluctuates around 2.7 to 3.8 V and Vout is about 9.5 to 11.5V while the VR901, which should adjust the Vout to 3.4V has no effect. At the end of tape, Vout is supposed to go up over the threshold of 13.5V but only goes slowly as far as 12.5V so the shut off action does not occur. The description says that the threshold is determined by R926 and R927 but these have the right values. Then Q912 should turn on and send the shut off signal to the solenoid circuit. (I replaced Q912 to no effect.) Does that trigger any suggestions on where to go from here? David >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:57:28 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate hours >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <463344B8.3060307 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >David Thompson wrote: >> I am getting desperate trying to correct the tape end shut off on my 550. >> The solenoid does not trigger to trip the stop control off, but the solenoid >> does click off on power off. I have replaced all the likely suspects and >> others from the circuit diagrams and operating descriptions. I have >> carefully checked the tracks and connections on the boards and all seem to >> be OK. > > >It is probably something simple but it has me beat at the moment. >> Any Suggestions Please???? >Yes, isolate the fault. Based on the schematic, >measure whether you are getting the trigger at >it's originating point. If so, repeat, working >forward along the path, until you find the point >where the trigger disappears. >Mass replacing of parts, in the hope of hitting >the bad one, is hardly ever a good approach. > >-- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 2 15:30:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 09:30:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording - still noisy :-( In-Reply-To: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <731570.80662.qm@web62409.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46389260.8020107@rcn.com> zbrak wrote: > Demagged this sucker again (and again) as carefully as I could (I have > an old Teac R2R demagger I used for this as well as the small RS one). > > Tightened all the chassis > PCB screws I could find. The grounding screw > on the board seems to be attached to a heatsink-type blade that screws > into the back of the unit. I put some DeOxit on that one just to be on > the safe side. > > No difference. Intermittent noise in both channels. If the sound were > coming out of an amp, I'd say it sounds like someone is turning a pot > with dirty contacts. > > Orange caps you say? Which ones? > > Thanks for all the help! > > Greg You are going to get all sorts of answers here -- everyone will recite what has happened to *their* deck at one time or another and encourage you to apply the same repair, as if that is what has happened to *your* deck. The honest truth is that (except for some truly typical problems) the *only* way to solve problems is through good old troubleshooting techniques: a logical, systematic testing of *your* deck. Hit and miss schemes (replace all orange caps because an orange cap caused a fault in some other deck, play with all alignments because some other deck azimuth went out of whack, etc.) may or may not help. Probably, not. They all rely on assuming the deck has a known problem, then repairing for that problem without testing whether the assumption is true, then seeing if the problem has disappeared. This is a long, arduous, expensive, inefficient way to repair (or failing to repair) an electronic device. Here's what you should do: start by eliminating general faults. To test the power supply: apply recoding signal, put deck in REC mode. Use voltmeter to verify correct supply voltages in REC path. Use 'scope to look at supply rail(s) and see whether they carry any AC signal. If OK, test for mechanical problems: while listening to record signal, tap PCBs, switches, wires in the record path. If the static changes in any way, investigate the surrounding area. Check grounds: do not indiscriminately tighten ground screws, but measure ground paths in affected areas. Continue to specific fault: apply recording signal, select REC mode. Using signal tracer, listen to the signal at the input; it's probably static-less. Now, start tracing the signal, going forward from that point along the recording path. At some place along the path, you will hear static. Now you've narrowed cause of the the fault down to a small area. Use your tracer to listen to all points in that area. Check all voltages in that area. You'll soon know what component is at fault; and note: you haven't even touched your soldering iron so far. The procedures above will isolate the fault 95% of the time. And in the typical case, this will take half an hour to an hour, provided you have the right tools, the service manual (schematic and PCB layouts) and the basic know how. Didn't mean for this to be so long... Sorry. -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 2 13:49:53 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:49:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! Message-ID: <050220071149.3073.46387AE1000898A900000C0122155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> A couple of days ago I announced that Scott Johnson had taken down his informative Nak FAQ web page. If anyone has had difficulty finding the cached version that I mentioned, please e-mail me. I managed to save a copy of the Nak FAQ page in Microsoft Word format. From dball1 at woh.rr.com Wed May 2 14:43:05 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:43:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems In-Reply-To: <609708.72847.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, That would be great! Thanks again for your help. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems Dennis: I will go to take a look at the 582 service manual tonight. I might remember the value. If my memory is correct it is close to the VU meter cable connector. Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Mike, Sounds like I have the same problem. I switched the VU meter cables and the right meter now goes to 0 Vu when in play/record mode. It looks like there are 7 caps in the general area; C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. I don't have a service manual for this unit, ($30 USD on ebay) - you don't happen to remember which cap you changed do you? Probably just better to change all 7? Thanks for your help! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems Hi Dennis: Similar problem happened to my 582 in the past except that the problem is different from yours. The problem that I have is that when there is signals on the tape one of the two VU meters' needle will swings to 0db mark and stay there. When there is no signal, the needle will return to the -20db area. However, signal level on the output is normal for both channels. Tom S. ( from Australia ) has informed me that some of the capacitors of VU meter circuitry may be bad. He suggests a quick check to see whether this is the VU meter problem or the circuitry problem by flipping the VU meter cables to see whether the problem follow the switch. It turns out that the same problem now show up on the other VU meter. I go in and replaced the one capacitor in the suspected channel and the problem go away. I end up replaced all the capacitors in the two VU meter circuitry. They are not orange caps through ( just regular electrolytic caps ). Regards, Mike Dennis Ball wrote: Hi Naktalk! As a frequent lurker here, I've noticed many problems being solved by the replacement of the orange colored caps. My 580 has 17 to 20 of the orange caps & also a very annoying meter problem..... When in play/record mode, the left meter goes immediately to the 0 Vu position. No sound or anything, and when the tape advances to a position where the recorded material starts, it plays/records just fine. Does this sound like it could be related to cap failure? It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to replace the caps, but it might be a little time consuming. 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David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 2 15:34:23 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 06:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <9D7F9206-F743-4BF2-8C32-E2032CEF8C69@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <125198.78632.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Kimo, Its calibrating perfect if the deck is coller inside. The order Ive seen is ABEL and it does does sometimes go back ro bias&/or Level again and does compute again for eq. After eq, it does go back to the respective channel for level immediately and if needed to bias of the same channel and then the other channel is repeated. The issue I am having is after the internal temperature is very warm ( 1-3 hours of running the deck) the calibration is going crazy on any tape type. Azimuth and bias are done fine. Its the eq it gets stuck on and keeps doing it for over 65-89 seconds and then either flashes or says ready, but when you go to record you get junk! If I turn the power off for 15-20 minutes and start again, alls perfectly well. and then theres this occasional stop in pb/rec mode. Starts back immediately on pressing play...... (Recording wise, no deck (all Naks included) even comes close. Sound is unbelievable, like Bala always says," Perfect tight Bass, with great sharp treble, SMOOTH".) Quo Vadis? Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: Is it ABLE in that order? It's more like ABEL but it's not that simple. Azimuth is always first and it starts with bias, but it can go back to Bias even after it's started eq/level if it thinks it needs to. There's a flow chart in the service manual.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anybody interested in buying can contact me off Naktalk. It is aligned and tested to be really great sounding one. I can upgrade this with Gear Drive mod if the buyer is interested. Let me know the interest before I take the ebay route ( always got me a good buyer for my Naks so far) thanks guys Kannan --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jarhead1951 at charter.net Wed May 2 22:00:20 2007 From: jarhead1951 at charter.net (Miles) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:00:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information Message-ID: <000501c78cf4$8851a770$6400a8c0@Hal3> Please let me know Scott Johnson's Nak FAQ page. Thanks From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu May 3 00:00:18 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:00:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! In-Reply-To: <050220071149.3073.46387AE1000898A900000C0122155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'd like a copy, please. If it helps, I can accept a Zipped file. Thanks Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 02 May 2007 12:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! A couple of days ago I announced that Scott Johnson had taken down his informative Nak FAQ web page. If anyone has had difficulty finding the cached version that I mentioned, please e-mail me. I managed to save a copy of the Nak FAQ page in Microsoft Word format. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu May 3 00:10:10 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:10:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! - scott's new site.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63C1CD46-CDCF-4D06-9281-3DD03DE5044F@thegreatbear.net> google caches sites.. and the internet archice (forgotten the link but google it) has archives of many sites from the past.. scott's FAQ page is back up now on a new domain: http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm arian On 2 May 2007, at 23:00, Graham Nelson wrote: > I'd like a copy, please. If it helps, I can accept a Zipped file. > > Thanks > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: 02 May 2007 12:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! > > > > A couple of days ago I announced that Scott Johnson had taken down his > informative Nak FAQ web page. > > If anyone has had difficulty finding the cached version that I > mentioned, > please e-mail me. I managed to save a copy of the Nak FAQ page in > Microsoft > Word format. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu May 3 00:17:03 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:17:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] my new 550.... Message-ID: <49861E77-DA4C-4B0A-8840-6C0CF0AFD1E3@thegreatbear.net> hello all just got a 550 in the uk from the 'normal' place on the internet!! as i suspected the 'top working order' isn't quite that, although it does play and record.. looks as if this has been stuck in a cupboard for years with no use...the issues I have at the moment are: eject function is very, very stiff - looks like the release lever needs a good clean and lubrication.. RR and FF are initially slow to gain speed but do work - i suspect a new drive belt is needed? going into play or record the drive reel looks like it sometimes goes backwards before it goes forwards?? - belt and take up torque i suspect.. most of the pots seem to need a good clean, recording the 400Hz tone and adjustment was ok after i'd moved the rear level control about for while. david will be pleased to hear that the auto-stop and tape warning light appear to be working ok! the original leather case is in poor condition and cracked, all the shoulder washers are cracked and there is no carry strap or connectors unfortunately.. but i have the original cardboard box it was sold in!! i'll ring b&w re belts in the morning, unless anyone knows of correctly sized alternatives... i have the PDF service manual but am stuck for a torque gauge.. does anyone know of suppliers who stock or can supply the Teac MTT 8131 for less than £70 / 80 GBP ( http://www.chsinteractive.co.uk/electrical-components/tools-service- aids/service-information/tape-testers/teac-test-tape-torque-meter.htm ) many thanks adrian From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu May 3 00:33:47 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:33:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 580 - Level Meter Problems Solved! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Naktalkers! Played hooky from work this afternoon and changed some nak-caps! >From what I could tell just by looking at the pc board, (no service manual), there are 7 caps in the general area of the level meter connector - C117, C119, C120, C217, C219, C220 & C326. Changed all 7 and no more level meter problem! With a quick check between each cap replacement, it was C326 that was causing the problems. I love this vintage gear! Thanks for the help Mike & David. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 23:32:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:32:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <125198.78632.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9D7F9206-F743-4BF2-8C32-E2032CEF8C69@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070502163237.0089c6b0@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Thu May 3 00:49:46 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:49:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! In-Reply-To: References: <050220071149.3073.46387AE1000898A900000C0122155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi group. You'll find it at ebaman.com, in a zip-archive. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:00 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! > > I'd like a copy, please. If it helps, I can accept a Zipped file. > > Thanks > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: 02 May 2007 12:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! > > > > A couple of days ago I announced that Scott Johnson had taken > down his informative Nak FAQ web page. > > If anyone has had difficulty finding the cached version that > I mentioned, please e-mail me. 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E-post har det b�sta spamskyddet som finns http://se.mail.yahoo.com From winamped at gmail.com Thu May 3 00:20:56 2007 From: winamped at gmail.com (G K) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:20:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Scott Johnson FAQ Page - Access Trick Message-ID: I'm really happy that I can actually contribute "something" here.... This is a neat trick (if you want to call it a trick) that will allow you to access MANY old(er) sites that have disappeared, OR to access earlier versions of those sites, so don't think that this just works for this his page. (Try looking up Microsoft and seeing the 1996 version of the homepage! :) ). This doesn't work for all webpages though so don't get too carried away. Go to: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php In the section titled "Waybackmachine" type in his old address: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html Hit the "Take Me Back" button and on the next page you'll see the archived versions of his old site. Hope this helps anyone out who would like to access this information. ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu May 3 01:58:01 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 19:58:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 mechanical problems fixed! Message-ID: <46392589.2010709@yahoo.ca> Hi everyone, OK, so I have no more mechanical problems with my BX-2s. My silver one now has plenty of torque, thanks to a free(!) idler from ESL(Thanks Jeff for the gift you sent me a few weeks ago! It's my 17 yo birthday today, almost at the same time!) The black one magically stopped eating tapes, even after I placed the pressure spring back to it's original position. I tried with a BASF Ferro Extra 90 without problems. I didn't try the Ferro 60 mins, which are the ones I think have problems though. Anyways, just to be sure I put the VR601 play torque trimmer to the minimum position, so it feels just like the idler-based Nak. Now there's still my recording problem with the black unit, and tuning to do on the silver one. Antoine From DM2 at marctronixx.com Thu May 3 01:59:58 2007 From: DM2 at marctronixx.com (DM2) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:59:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Request for Information In-Reply-To: <20070502213809.65206.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200705030001.l4300JvP020195@zxe.naks.com> **Dumb question alert** Hey scott, why did you close the page down? Im sure you said it and I just missed it. Marc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 3 03:34:35 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:34:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Message-ID: > Bala, Kimo, > > Its calibrating perfect if the deck is coller inside. The order > Ive seen is ABEL and it does does sometimes go back ro bias&/or > Level again and does compute again for eq. After eq, it does go > back to the respective channel for level immediately and if needed > to bias of the same channel and then the other channel is repeated. > > The issue I am having is after the internal temperature is very > warm ( 1-3 hours of running the deck) the calibration is going > crazy on any tape type. Azimuth and bias are done fine. Its the eq > it gets stuck on and keeps doing it for over 65-89 seconds and then > either flashes or says ready, but when you go to record you get junk! > > If I turn the power off for 15-20 minutes and start again, alls > perfectly well. and then theres this occasional stop in pb/rec > mode. Starts back immediately on pressing play...... > > (Recording wise, no deck (all Naks included) even comes close. > Sound is unbelievable, like Bala always says," Perfect tight Bass, > with great sharp treble, SMOOTH".) > > > Quo Vadis? > > Ram > Compare how the 400Hz tone sounds and looks on the meters on source when it's cold vs. when it's hot. Bala will then suggest scoping it :-) if they seem different.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 3 03:44:36 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! - scott's new site.. In-Reply-To: <63C1CD46-CDCF-4D06-9281-3DD03DE5044F@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <326141.59771.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congratulations! You found it! If you just go to www.nakremotes.com it will always be linked from there! A lot easier to remember than www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html And while you're at my main page you can check out the status of various projects. I added several pictures of the calibration tapes and track viewer to my FAQ page. I snagged these off the net. I hope the person doesn't mind. If I had the persons name I'd give them credit. They are excellent pictures. A little too big though, I might resize them and repost. Sorry about the unexplained take down of the old page. I was curious how long it would take people to notice it and how long it would take people to find it when it was clearly linked from my nakremotes site. Now that the cat's out of the bag, I'm going to provide a link on the original page to the new one. Scott J. "adrian at thegreatbear.net" wrote: google caches sites.. and the internet archice (forgotten the link but google it) has archives of many sites from the past.. scott's FAQ page is back up now on a new domain: http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm arian On 2 May 2007, at 23:00, Graham Nelson wrote: > I'd like a copy, please. If it helps, I can accept a Zipped file. > > Thanks > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: 02 May 2007 12:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! > > > > A couple of days ago I announced that Scott Johnson had taken down his > informative Nak FAQ web page. > > If anyone has had difficulty finding the cached version that I > mentioned, > please e-mail me. I managed to save a copy of the Nak FAQ page in > Microsoft > Word format. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zbrak at yahoo.com Thu May 3 06:08:40 2007 From: zbrak at yahoo.com (zbrak) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 -- static while recording Message-ID: <276784.28390.qm@web62405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Winter, Christopher wrote: Hi Greg, I've had a similar problem with one of my BX150 - intermittent noise of low level, especially noticeable when recording silence. I've replaced some caps in the recording signal path - no difference. I've replaced the op-amp - no difference. I've... done a lot of other things - no difference After all, I replaced the relay that switches the head's signal cable between recording and playback path (there is a common omron replacement) - the noise has gone! Best regards, Christopher I think we have a winner! I popped the cover off of the relay and sprayed a tiny bit of Deoxit on the contacts. Much better! Still a bit of noise, but nothing like what it was before. I'm going to keep cycling it from playback to record and letting the contacts move and hopefully clear out whatever's creating the static. If it's still an issue, I'll look into replacing the relay. Thanks for the excellent help! Greg --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu May 3 07:28:15 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 1:28:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: IMPORTANT ALERT! - scott's new site.. Message-ID: <20330221.1178170095839.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Oh boy, this is so funny and sad...... After all the Googling, caching, saving, zipping and clipping, a simple solution arises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---- Scott Johnson wrote: > Congratulations! You found it! > > If you just go to www.nakremotes.com it will always be linked from there! A lot easier to remember than www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/threads.html And while you're at my main page you can check out the status of various projects. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu May 3 12:34:50 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 20:34:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] New 550 Message-ID: Adrian Congrats on the 550 purchase. I found mine to be a little delicate at its age. Don't fiddle too much as help is a bit short on this model. Here is a repeat of my experience on shoulder washers and strap. >It seems that comparable shoulder washers for the portable Nak 550 are nigh impossible to find. However, I found a couple of substitutes today. At a camping supplies store I found some cup washers that fit well though a little smaller in diameter and silver in color. Then at a car parts store I found packs of 'scrivet clips 6mm' in black plastic. These have a split shaft that goes into a hole and then a screw is pushed in to lock it. By removing the screw and cutting off the shaft to an appropriate height it fits quite nicely with the original screw and is not so noticeably different. It has the same outside diameter and screw hole. For a replacement shoulder belt, I made up one from some webbing and brackets from a camping supplies store and screws of the right thread from a car parts store. Just had to drill the bracket hole a little larger. The eject control seems to need a firm push anyway. Hope you can find belts. Mine are originals in reasonable condition. David >Message: 13 >Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:17:03 +0100 >From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" >Subject: [naktalk] my new 550.... To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <49861E77-DA4C-4B0A-8840-6C0CF0AFD1E3 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed >hello all >just got a 550 in the uk from the 'normal' place on the internet!! >as i suspected the 'top working order' isn't quite that, although it does play and record.. looks as if this has been stuck in a cupboard for years with no use...the issues I have at the moment are: >eject function is very, very stiff - looks like the release lever needs a good clean and lubrication.. >RR and FF are initially slow to gain speed but do work - i suspect a new drive belt is needed? >going into play or record the drive reel looks like it sometimes goes backwards before it goes forwards?? - belt and take up torque i suspect.. >most of the pots seem to need a good clean, recording the 400Hz tone and adjustment was ok after i'd moved the rear level control about for while. >david will be pleased to hear that the auto-stop and tape warning light appear to be working ok! >the original leather case is in poor condition and cracked, all the shoulder washers are cracked and there is no carry strap or connectors unfortunately.. but i have the original cardboard box it was sold in!! >i'll ring b&w re belts in the morning, unless anyone knows of correctly sized alternatives... >i have the PDF service manual but am stuck for a torque gauge.. does anyone know of suppliers who stock or can supply the Teac MTT 8131 for less than £70 / 80 GBP From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu May 3 13:46:29 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:46:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New 550 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi david.. thanks for the message - i've just had a little fiddle! i managed to work the eject lever more free using WD40 - it's stiff but much better now.. the motor is dated 1976.. the transport grease needs cleaning and regreasing, the pause button is very 'gloopy' feeling. the counter belt is white and looks original but still seems to work ok.. the main drive belt looks much newer, i'll watch it when put into different modes to check. I would like to test the torque, though i've got to find a gauge for that.. it looks like my 550 has had some recent work on it.. 4 1uF capacitors have been replaced in the dolby board, also 2 0.56 uF bypass caps underneath across C101 and C201.. also similar work on the rec amp and the playback eq amp.. i've got luis's tapes and i've borrowed a nice expensive fluke 85 meter so I'm can test Hz too. I'll do as much of the calibration as i can. adrian On 3 May 2007, at 11:34, David Thompson wrote: > Adrian > > Congrats on the 550 purchase. I found mine to be a little delicate > at its > age. Don't fiddle too much as help is a bit short on this model. > Here is a > repeat of my experience on shoulder washers and strap. > >> It seems that comparable shoulder washers for the portable Nak 550 >> are nigh > impossible to find. However, I found a couple of substitutes today. > At a camping > supplies store I found some cup washers that fit well though a > little smaller in > diameter and silver in color. Then at a car parts store I found > packs of > 'scrivet clips 6mm' in black plastic. These have a split shaft that > goes into a > hole and then a screw is pushed in to lock it. By removing the > screw and cutting > off the shaft to an appropriate height it fits quite nicely with > the original > screw and is not so noticeably different. It has the same outside > diameter and > screw hole. > > For a replacement shoulder belt, I made up one from some webbing and > brackets from a camping supplies store and screws of the right > thread from a > car parts store. Just had to drill the bracket hole a little larger. > > The eject control seems to need a firm push anyway. Hope you can > find belts. > Mine are originals in reasonable condition. > > David > >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:17:03 +0100 >> From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" >> Subject: [naktalk] my new 550.... > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <49861E77-DA4C-4B0A-8840-6C0CF0AFD1E3 at thegreatbear.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >> hello all > >> just got a 550 in the uk from the 'normal' place on the internet!! > >> as i suspected the 'top working order' isn't quite that, although it > does play and record.. looks as if this has been stuck in a cupboard > for years with no use...the issues I have at the moment are: > > >> eject function is very, very stiff - looks like the release lever > needs a good clean and lubrication.. > >> RR and FF are initially slow to gain speed but do work - i suspect a > new drive belt is needed? > >> going into play or record the drive reel looks like it sometimes goes > backwards before it goes forwards?? - belt and take up torque i > suspect.. > >> most of the pots seem to need a good clean, recording the 400Hz tone > and adjustment was ok after i'd moved the rear level control about > for while. > >> david will be pleased to hear that the auto-stop and tape warning > light appear to be working ok! > > >> the original leather case is in poor condition and cracked, all the > shoulder washers are cracked and there is no carry strap or > connectors unfortunately.. but i have the original cardboard box it > was sold in!! > >> i'll ring b&w re belts in the morning, unless anyone knows of > correctly sized alternatives... > > >> i have the PDF service manual but am stuck for a torque gauge.. does > anyone know of suppliers who stock or can supply the Teac MTT 8131 > for less than £70 / 80 GBP > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu May 3 15:52:01 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:52:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cartrodges Message-ID: <4639E901.2070006@caribsurf.com> Sorry for the late input - Stereophile compiles a table of recommended equipment annually and the only budget cartridge that makes the list, albeit at the lowest level, the Audio Technica AT 95E. The MM cartridge cost me GBP22.57 from Mantra Audio in 2005.... It wont compete with a Dynavector but it gives a good account of itself Regards Paul C From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu May 3 19:01:15 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:01:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] service bulletins for the dragon Message-ID: <000901c78da4$ac698d20$053ca760$@utah.edu> Does anyone have any service bulletins on the Dragon? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu May 3 23:41:11 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:41:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New 550 Message-ID: Adrian I hope you have not used WD40 thinking it is a lubricant - on the contrary, the residue of WD40 often has the very opposite effect on surfaces. WD40 is simply a Water Dispersant, hence WD, and 40 allegedly because it was the fortieth test formula that made it to market. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: 03 May 2007 12:46 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] New 550 hi david.. thanks for the message - i've just had a little fiddle! i managed to work the eject lever more free using WD40 - it's stiff but much better now.. adrian From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu May 3 22:10:01 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:10:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New 550 few unresolved issues.. Message-ID: <4B611D3C-F3B9-4D5F-85C7-560C9F3AFC6C@thegreatbear.net> hello again well i've resolved most of the problems with my new 550 i've cleaned the old, very sticky grease around the transport metal parts and regreased a little, much smoother now key action now and the eject is not as stiff. i've cleaned noisy pots and switches and adjusted the tape speed, output level and meter level.. it sounds good on record and play. my main problem though seems to be the drive system... RW and FF ok but get to speed slower than i'd expect.. if you go into play after winding, via stop.. you can see the tape curl inside the cassette housing before the reel gets it moving properly, after that play and record seem fine, no audible W/F from my 3000hz tape or prerecorded tapes.. the main drivebelt seemed slack but runs as described in the SM.. could the slackness be causing the flywheel to carry on spinning too much after pressing stop, hence the tape curling? You can hear the flywheel sound as if it's slowing down after pressing stop... many thanks adrian From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri May 4 00:51:24 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:51:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New 550 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9208A88F-63C1-4ACD-95D2-C62AB7A54294@thegreatbear.net> hi graham.. thanks for your advice.. yes, i wouldn't normally use WD anywhere near one of my tape decks but it does seem good for freeing off sticky mechnisms, especially the hardened orange coloured grease that was making this eject lever so stiff.. there's been talk in the past about using it carefully to help free off the pinch roller pivots in the classic mechanism too. adrian On 3 May 2007, at 22:41, Graham Nelson wrote: > Adrian > > I hope you have not used WD40 thinking it is a lubricant - on the > contrary, > the residue of WD40 often has the very opposite effect on > surfaces. WD40 is > simply a Water Dispersant, hence WD, and 40 allegedly because it > was the > fortieth test formula that made it to market. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: 03 May 2007 12:46 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New 550 > > > hi david.. > > thanks for the message - i've just had a little fiddle! > > i managed to work the eject lever more free using WD40 - it's stiff > but much better now.. > > > adrian > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From bernardsda at hotmail.com Fri May 4 03:22:36 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 13:22:36 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri May 4 06:07:56 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 04:07:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SCORE! Nakamichi TA-4A...And A Couple of Questions... Message-ID: <050420070407.9914.463AB19C000C0482000026BA22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Won the bidding on a Nakamichi TA-4A receiver today! I have always wanted an amp with STASIS technology, and now I'm getting one! Now that I will be getting this prize, I have a couple of questions about it: 1) The TA-4A I won does not have a remote control. Did this unit ever come with a remote control, and if it did, can a universal remote work with it? 2) Does anyone know where I can download Owner's and Service Manuals for it? Thanks in advance.... *andy* From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Fri May 4 09:25:06 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:25:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaners etc. Message-ID: <463ADFD2.1080103@bluewin.ch> Hi Haphazardly I got a brochure of a producer/dealer of Cleaners, Lubricants, Anti-Corrosion products, Paints, Care products, Other Specialty Products. If somebody of you is interested visit: www.crcind.com The URL is designed in several languages. Best regards Franz from Switzerland From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 4 15:41:21 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 08:41:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070504084121.00891b90@earthlink.net> Bernard, The clicking is the auto azimuth running constantly. Remove the top cover and follow the 2 wires from the auto azimuth motor back to its plug and unplug it, otherwise the plastic housing will wear dramatically. I have a 682 here with exactly that problem. Something in the azimuth circuit creates a DC voltage imbalance and it will require a technician to repair. tom brucker At 01:22 PM 5/4/07 +1200, you wrote: >>>> I've changed the thread title for my little project here since it is now being used for other jobs as well. Thanks so far to everyone who has given advice. I have further info about my ZXL which just might change previous diagnoses - or perhaps confirm them. The buzzing I was hearing during play and ff etc, was only through the headphones. Until two days ago that's all I had, having left my Van den Hul interconnect in New Zealand(!). But I bought a cheap cable here to make do with until the other arrives and discovered that THERE IS NO AUDIBLE BUZZING WHEN LISTENING THROUGH THE SPEAKERS - PLAY OR FF OR REWIND. But I can still see the effect of the buzzing on the meters, sitting at around -20dBs. Looking at the meters, the left channel buzzing is stronger than on the right channel. When listening to music, when the deck is first switched on and for about the first half hour to one hour, the REVERSE is true: music signal is well down on the left channel. I've also noticed that there is a continuous clicking sound as the tape is playing - something in the mechanics that sounds like ball bearings turning over on a well-lubricated bicycle wheel. I doubt if I should be hearing that. Any further thoughts before I get this machine to a repairman? Bernard White ---------- From: "Kimo B. Yap" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZXL troubleshooting Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:34:35 -0700 Bala, Kimo, Its calibrating perfect if the deck is coller inside. The order Ive seen is ABEL and it does does sometimes go back ro bias&/or Level again and does compute again for eq. After eq, it does go back to the respective channel for level immediately and if needed to bias of the same channel and then the other channel is repeated. The issue I am having is after the internal temperature is very warm ( 1-3 hours of running the deck) the calibration is going crazy on any tape type. Azimuth and bias are done fine. Its the eq it gets stuck on and keeps doing it for over 65-89 seconds and then either flashes or says ready, but when you go to record you get junk! If I turn the power off for 15-20 minutes and start again, alls perfectly well. and then theres this occasional stop in pb/rec mode. Starts back immediately on pressing play...... (Recording wise, no deck (all Naks included) even comes close. Sound is unbelievable, like Bala always says," Perfect tight Bass, with great sharp treble, SMOOTH".) Quo Vadis? Ram Compare how the 400Hz tone sounds and looks on the meters on source when it's cold vs. when it's hot. Bala will then suggest scoping it :-) if they seem different.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri May 4 23:29:28 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:29:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - DIAGNOSIS HELP NEEDED Message-ID: <050420072129.17477.463BA5B80009BF830000444522155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have pulled apart my BX-300 (the one that keeps returning to PLAY mode, even after you press stop and remove the tape). Someone told me to check for voltages on the PC boards that house the counter and the function buttons (Stop, Play, RW, etc.). According to the service manual, both of these boards should have a 5 volt DC power supply going to them at all times. I turned the unit on and measured the voltage on both boards. Exactly 5 volts was present on both boards, with no fluctuation. Solid as a rock. (5.01 volts, to be precise.) Even when the counter kept flickering and re-setting itself to "0000" and the deck kept returning to PLAY, the DC voltages on both boards was a ROCK steady 5.01 volts. What's my next move? *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 5 16:18:46 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:18:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 - DIAGNOSIS HELP NEEDED In-Reply-To: <050420072129.17477.463BA5B80009BF830000444522155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050420072129.17477.463BA5B80009BF830000444522155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <463C9246.9080504@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, I have pulled apart my BX-300 (the one that keeps returning to PLAY mode, even after you press stop and remove the tape). > > Someone told me to check for voltages on the PC boards that house the counter and the function buttons (Stop, Play, RW, etc.). > > According to the service manual, both of these boards should have a 5 volt DC power supply going to them at all times. > > I turned the unit on and measured the voltage on both boards. > > Exactly 5 volts was present on both boards, with no fluctuation. Solid as a rock. (5.01 volts, to be precise.) > > Even when the counter kept flickering and re-setting itself to "0000" and the deck kept returning to PLAY, the DC voltages on both boards was a ROCK steady 5.01 volts. > > What's my next move? > > > *andy* First, I am assuming that supply voltage to the display board is a solid +5V, that the control motor leaf switches are good and that the Memory, Monitor, and Timer switches are all off when the fault occurs. If so... A clue to the problem: the counter sporadic reset behaviour seems to be linked to the Play erratic behaviour. This would seem to point a finger at the Counter PCB or Control Switch PCB ('Seems', not absolutely certain). The main PCB is a less likely suspect. The best approach would be to temporarily substitute a known good Counter PCB. This will definitely either implicate or exonerate it PCB. However, I assume that you do not have the luxury of a spare Counter PCB lying around. I would start by attaching a voltmeter (or better yet, a 'scope) to IC701-1 and verify that it reads a solid +5V, except when the counter reset PB is pressed, when it should go to a solid GND. I would also observe IC701-2. It should read +5V, except when the Play PB is pressed, when it should read GND. Also, I would make sure that IC701-3, IC701-4 and IC701-8 are a solid +5V during play (spikes on any of these lines could conceivably cause the problem). If I didn't have a 'scope for the above, I would check that, WITH POWER OFF, IC701-1 measures 220 KOhm (to GND) while the PCB is carefully tapped on and around R715. If all the above is OK, I would start to cool the suspect PCBs, one small area at a time, using a freezing spray. That's because the behaviour seems to be temperature dependent. Good luck, -- Ron From Benstratford at aol.com Sat May 5 15:02:11 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:02:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 ZX - Shy Level Meters Message-ID: All 21 Polyprop caps replaced including the three on the FL Indicator PCB. Level Meters now working well. Thanks for the tip Tom Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat May 5 16:35:02 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 10:35:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <463C9616.3080800@caribsurf.com> I was placing an order with MCM and remembering that someone had said that their 42-1990 belts were suitable for the BX300, I included these in the order. I put one of the belts on my spare BX300 which had been stalling on play and also the capstan belt (white, quite thin) had meanwhile perished. The capstan would not turn with this belt fitted! A few weeks ago, a friend sent me one he had acquired off e-bay and that was much smaller than the white belt that was fitted (and even smaller than the 42-1990 belts)......so while it is claimed that generic belts work okay on the BX300, I am yet to find one that does! Regards Paul From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat May 5 18:10:15 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:10:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <463CAC67.2090908@caribsurf.com> My apologies - the belt works okay - it was fowling underneath and I did not see it until I removed the bottom .... So I am back to the original problem, it FF and REW ok, it will run faultlessly on PLAY if there is no cassette in the well. But with a cassette, on PLAY, ithe take-up spool will only give a small fraction of a turn before stopping.... Regards Paul C From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat May 5 22:47:53 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <463C9616.3080800@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <545043.38844.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the generic belts don't work on your BX-300 then I have a feeling you have a major problem with your deck. Without a belt on check that each flywheel spins freely for many revolutions before coming to a stop. If that's Ok then it's probably not the bearings and it's probably the motor itself not providing enough torque. Probably the motor drive controller or a bad winding. Paul Carrington wrote: I was placing an order with MCM and remembering that someone had said that their 42-1990 belts were suitable for the BX300, I included these in the order. I put one of the belts on my spare BX300 which had been stalling on play and also the capstan belt (white, quite thin) had meanwhile perished. The capstan would not turn with this belt fitted! A few weeks ago, a friend sent me one he had acquired off e-bay and that was much smaller than the white belt that was fitted (and even smaller than the 42-1990 belts)......so while it is claimed that generic belts work okay on the BX300, I am yet to find one that does! Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sun May 6 00:25:04 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 18:25:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <463D0440.30306@caribsurf.com> RW&FF ok Play ok without cassette With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the voltage disappears any ideas? Regards Paul C From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun May 6 00:55:52 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <545043.38844.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52923.94769.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have not seen any DD motors - used in BX 300/ CR4/7 going bad. The symptoms point to probably frozen grease on the capstan shaft bearing. If so, the bearing needs cleaning and relubing. You have to really scrub inside the bore of the Bearing housing on the transport many time using cotton cloth soaked in spirit or better will be kerosene / Gasoline as the grease with dirt gets frozen. This causes the series resistor on te supply line to reduce the voltage across motor below 10V ( from 12 V before the resitor) then the motor stops. Off hand I cannot tell the series resistor part number - but can be easily located on the Service manual schematics. measure the voltage after resitor with refrence to Ground - should not fall below 10 V kanan Scott Johnson wrote: If the generic belts don't work on your BX-300 then I have a feeling you have a major problem with your deck. Without a belt on check that each flywheel spins freely for many revolutions before coming to a stop. If that's Ok then it's probably not the bearings and it's probably the motor itself not providing enough torque. Probably the motor drive controller or a bad winding. Paul Carrington wrote: I was placing an order with MCM and remembering that someone had said that their 42-1990 belts were suitable for the BX300, I included these in the order. I put one of the belts on my spare BX300 which had been stalling on play and also the capstan belt (white, quite thin) had meanwhile perished. The capstan would not turn with this belt fitted! A few weeks ago, a friend sent me one he had acquired off e-bay and that was much smaller than the white belt that was fitted (and even smaller than the 42-1990 belts)......so while it is claimed that generic belts work okay on the BX300, I am yet to find one that does! Regards Paul ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun May 6 00:56:53 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <463D0440.30306@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <653855.94835.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. Kannan Paul Carrington wrote: RW&FF ok Play ok without cassette With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the voltage disappears any ideas? Regards Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun May 6 01:10:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:10:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/5/2007 3:46:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: RW&FF ok Play ok without cassette With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the voltage disappears any ideas? Regards Paul C Sounds like a bad reel motor. You can switch one out from a 2 head BX model from eBay - the reel motors for the BX's are all the same. These sometimes cost less than $20 on eBay - I got a couple of them last year for less than $25 including shipping. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Sun May 6 02:23:54 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 12:23:54 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL Repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070504084121.00891b90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Sun May 6 19:44:14 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:44:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <653855.94835.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <463D0440.30306@caribsurf.com> <653855.94835.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1cc47db60705061044r1baa965bv2642dcc13e005bc9@mail.gmail.com> I just did all the troubleshooting for the exact issue. Make sure to install fresh rubber. The motor should still be good. I pulled mine, opened it up and found nothing wrong. Then installed a known functioning drive unit and it worked fine. Which proved the drive circuit is good. So, the problem seems to be a bad feedback signal from the hall effect sensor. If your lucky, just pull the hub and make sure it's clean. Reassemble, and your good to go. Or, if your not so lucky, your in my camp and you have to break down the drive to replace the beastly sensor. This is a bit tricky, so use caution. Hope all this helps. Anybody know of a source for the hall effect sensors?? Samuel Crider On 5/5/07, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > > Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. > Kannan > > *Paul Carrington * wrote: > > RW&FF ok > Play ok without cassette > With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The > voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the voltage > disappears > any ideas? > Regards > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun May 6 22:40:23 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 20:40:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 TEST RESULTS Message-ID: <050620072040.9349.463E3D37000CE86E0000248522165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ron: Thanks for your detailed suggestions on NakTalk about what to look for when diagnosing my BX-300. Here are my actual test results, based on your suggestions. I used a Digital Multi-Meter with fresh batteries to obtain all of the measurements you asked about. All measurments are in VOLTS DC. IC701-1: 4.90 during PLAY - voltage drops to 0 when counter RESET button is pushed. IC701-2: 4.99 in STOP mode - voltage briefly drops to almost 0 when PLAY is pushed, then returns to 4.99 VDC. IC701-3: 5.01 VDC during PLAY - no fluctuation observed IC701-4: 5.01 VDC during PLAY - no fluctuation observed IC701-8: during PLAY, reading fluctuates between 5.02 and 5.03 volts IC701-1 WITH POWER OFF: reading hovers around 225.6K, but actually fluctuates a bit One thing: I am starting to suspect the auto shut-off PCB. That is the one item that feeds the digital counter. It could be sending false and / or fluctuating voltage to the counter, causing it to flicker. It could also be sending voltage to the logic circuit, telling it that the tape is moving when it actually is in STOP mode, causing the deck to be put into PLAY mode all by itself. What do you think? Is this crazy thinking? Thanks in advance.... *andy* From j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr Sun May 6 22:59:19 2007 From: j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr (Gaston Rieffel) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 22:59:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 : FF or RW before Read In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070430175711.00892120@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070430175711.00892120@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8170e75a9b6a7a05dea453ac4a2f1ae9@wanadoo.fr> Hi, Thanks for your fast answer. In fact, what seems for me worrying are the intermittent breakdowns. This is one. The main thing is when the commands of record, play, FF and RW, and eject doesn't respond. This seems to be a defect of the Micro processor TMP 4315BP or the Power switch. How to test ? Regards Guschty Le 1 mai 07, à 00:57, Hi Tech a écrit : > Gaston, > Describe what you see in more detail. I do not understand what > "read" > refers to. Play? > If the tape does not take up slack when loaded, but will play FF and > RW, > then the idler tire may require replacement. > > tom brucker > > At 11:34 PM 4/30/07 +0200, you wrote: >> I have bought a BX 300 that does'nt read before the FF or RW switches >> have been >> pushed. What could be the cure ? >> Thanks for your expertise >> Audiophil regards >> Guschty >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon May 7 00:54:42 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 : FF or RW before Read In-Reply-To: <8170e75a9b6a7a05dea453ac4a2f1ae9@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <194923.36896.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you have a problem where the deck does not respond to the transport buttons then it's probably the mode change motor getting stuck in a dead spot. Open the cover and right on top of the transport is the mode change motor with a white worm drive gear. Rotate that gear a little bit and retry the transport controls. They should come to life again, but, only for a short time. The motor needs to be rebuilt. The eject button does not go to the micro and is not a transport function. SJ Gaston Rieffel wrote: Hi, Thanks for your fast answer. In fact, what seems for me worrying are the intermittent breakdowns. This is one. The main thing is when the commands of record, play, FF and RW, and eject doesn't respond. This seems to be a defect of the Micro processor TMP 4315BP or the Power switch. How to test ? Regards Guschty Le 1 mai 07, à 00:57, Hi Tech a écrit : > Gaston, > Describe what you see in more detail. I do not understand what > "read" > refers to. Play? > If the tape does not take up slack when loaded, but will play FF and > RW, > then the idler tire may require replacement. > > tom brucker > > At 11:34 PM 4/30/07 +0200, you wrote: >> I have bought a BX 300 that does'nt read before the FF or RW switches >> have been >> pushed. What could be the cure ? >> Thanks for your expertise >> Audiophil regards >> Guschty >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msyoder at juno.com Mon May 7 05:27:34 2007 From: msyoder at juno.com (msyoder at juno.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:27:34 GMT Subject: [naktalk] O/T--the meeting of analog and digital Message-ID: <20070506.202750.18248.2634595@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon May 7 05:46:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 03:46:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ummm...Somehow, I Doubt This.... Message-ID: <050720070346.15776.463EA10C00043E0400003DA022165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I thought Nakamichi stopped making things for other brand names sometime in the early 1970's. Therefore, I find the claims in this auction a bit hard to believe.... http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-Nakamichi-TA-R77-Cassette-Deck-Recorder_W0QQitemZ200107453954QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon May 7 09:46:43 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:46:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Ummm...Somehow, I Doubt This.... In-Reply-To: <050720070346.15776.463EA10C00043E0400003DA022165258069C9C01089C9C010D 9908@comcast.net> References: <050720070346.15776.463EA10C00043E0400003DA022165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4860.212.78.164.66.1178524003.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> They only shared the Sankyo transport, nothing else, so Nakamichi had nothing to do with this deck. > > I thought Nakamichi stopped making things for other brand names sometime > in the early 1970's. > > Therefore, I find the claims in this auction a bit hard to believe.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-Integra-Nakamichi-TA-R77-Cassette-Deck-Recorder_W0QQitemZ200107453954QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon May 7 12:15:49 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 06:15:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60705061044r1baa965bv2642dcc13e005bc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <463D0440.30306@caribsurf.com> <653855.94835.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1cc47db60705061044r1baa965bv2642dcc13e005bc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463EFC55.40301@caribsurf.com> Samuel, I suspect you may be right re the sensor as I get the feeling that it is being tripped by a sensing device. I did not take off the spool to clean but did insert a piece of paper wet with alcohol under the spool and manually rotated it to clean the underneath but it made no difference. Is there a means of bypassing this sensor to check that it is at fault? As the motor works perfectly when there is no cassette in the well, I do not think it is the motor regard Paul sam's mail wrote: > I just did all the troubleshooting for the exact issue. Make sure to > install fresh rubber. The motor should still be good. I pulled mine, > opened it up and found nothing wrong. Then installed a known > functioning drive unit and it worked fine. Which proved the drive > circuit is good. So, the problem seems to be a bad feedback signal > from the hall effect sensor. If your lucky, just pull the hub and make > sure it's clean. Reassemble, and your good to go. Or, if your not so > lucky, your in my camp and you have to break down the drive to replace > the beastly sensor. This is a bit tricky, so use caution. Hope all > this helps. > > Anybody know of a source for the hall effect sensors?? > > Samuel Crider > > > > > On 5/5/07, *kannan srinivasaraghavan* > wrote: > > Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. > Kannan > > > */Paul Carrington > /* wrote: > > RW&FF ok > Play ok without cassette > With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a > turn. The > voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the > voltage > disappears > any ideas? > Regards > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/791 - Release Date: 2007-05-06 9:07 AM > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon May 7 13:15:34 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:45:34 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 References: <200705071000.l47A0QfW020481@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000601c79099$0b2e05b0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi Michael Personally, i think the click *may* be a recording of a switch click. Im not sure but i have experienced this oddity at times .. most probably due to a delay in the switching circuit to clamp signal inrush,. However, there is another option you may pursue. If you have a good soundcard, then you can record your samples using a WAV editor with the best bit rates and sampling (eg: Sony Soundforge, Adobe Audition etc or the freeware Audacity), select and cut out offending portions (if any) and then use Cake Walk to layer, time and re-record your edited piece. HTH Best Soumitra > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:27:34 GMT > From: "msyoder at juno.com" > Subject: [naktalk] O/T--the meeting of analog and digital > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20070506.202750.18248.2634595 at webmail05.nyc.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hello fellow Nak users, > > I would greatly appreciate the expertise of this wonderful group for a > problem I have > encountered. > > I use a Nak DR-3 and a few other high quality cassette decks for recording > "live-to-2-track" > recordings of bass with electronic devices (delay, etc.) and trumpet. > Given that our > spontaneous analogue recordings are never perfect and contain frequent > "errors" (sloppy > mistakes), what I would like to do is "edit" the recordings by recording > them to a 4- or 8- > channel digital recorder that enables copying and pasting the useful > parts, hopefully as > seamless "loops". Such loops then could serve as basic tracks for > overdubbing percussion > and additional trumpet parts on the remaining tracks. > > I purchased a Tascam DP-01 "digital portastudio" 8 channel hard disk > recorder. When I > dump trumpet/bass recordings made on the Nak. DR-3 to two tracks of the > Tascam, and > then copy and paste the desirable parts, no matter what I do, there is an > audible "click" or > "pop" at the beginning of each loop. Even when I delete a one-second > portion that includes > the pop, a new pop occurs. > > I am clearly no expert, but I am thinking this is the nature of digital > recording, and not > necessarily the Tascam DP-01 itself. Is it the opinion of this expert > group that digital > recording simply has these unavoidable weaknesses, or is it possible that > such audible > clicks and pops could be avoided with better equipment? > > Thank you for entertaining this O/T question. > > Sincerely, > Michael Yoder From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 7 15:08:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:08:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <1cc47db60705061044r1baa965bv2642dcc13e005bc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <463D0440.30306@caribsurf.com> <653855.94835.qm@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1cc47db60705061044r1baa965bv2642dcc13e005bc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463F24C3.8090305@rcn.com> sam's mail wrote: > The motor should still be good. I pulled mine, > opened it up and found nothing wrong. I don't know of anything you can see inside that would indicate a bad reel motor. The motor could FF and REW just fine and still fail in Play. A better check is to drive the motor with 2.5V and verify that it will still turn UNDER LOAD (use your finger to apply light pressure) and will start every time. > Then installed a known functioning > drive unit and it worked fine. Which proved the drive circuit is good. > So, the problem seems to be a bad feedback signal from the hall effect > sensor. Maybe, but not necessarily. -- Ron If your lucky, just pull the hub and make sure it's clean. > Reassemble, and your good to go. Or, if your not so lucky, your in my > camp and you have to break down the drive to replace the beastly sensor. > This is a bit tricky, so use caution. Hope all this helps. > > Anybody know of a source for the hall effect sensors?? > > Samuel Crider > > > > > On 5/5/07, *kannan srinivasaraghavan* > wrote: > > Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. > Kannan > > > */Paul Carrington > /* wrote: > > RW&FF ok > Play ok without cassette > With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The > voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the > voltage > disappears > any ideas? > Regards > Paul C From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon May 7 16:25:36 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <463F24C3.8090305@rcn.com> Message-ID: <15400.98135.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron the symptom is typical of Bad reel motor. I have noticed Reel motor would work at FF and REw but not play or stop often. I found such symptoms go away only when you replace reel motor Kannan Ron wrote: sam's mail wrote: > The motor should still be good. I pulled mine, > opened it up and found nothing wrong. I don't know of anything you can see inside that would indicate a bad reel motor. The motor could FF and REW just fine and still fail in Play. A better check is to drive the motor with 2.5V and verify that it will still turn UNDER LOAD (use your finger to apply light pressure) and will start every time. > Then installed a known functioning > drive unit and it worked fine. Which proved the drive circuit is good. > So, the problem seems to be a bad feedback signal from the hall effect > sensor. Maybe, but not necessarily. -- Ron If your lucky, just pull the hub and make sure it's clean. > Reassemble, and your good to go. Or, if your not so lucky, your in my > camp and you have to break down the drive to replace the beastly sensor. > This is a bit tricky, so use caution. Hope all this helps. > > Anybody know of a source for the hall effect sensors?? > > Samuel Crider > > > > > On 5/5/07, *kannan srinivasaraghavan* > > wrote: > > Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. > Kannan > > > */Paul Carrington > > /* wrote: > > RW&FF ok > Play ok without cassette > With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The > voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the > voltage > disappears > any ideas? > Regards > Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 7 16:57:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:57:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <15400.98135.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <15400.98135.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <463F3E3E.5090108@rcn.com> I agree. this has been my experience as well. Be well, -- Ron kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Ron > the symptom is typical of Bad reel motor. I have noticed Reel motor > would work at FF and REw but not play or stop often. I found such > symptoms go away only when you replace reel motor > Kannan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > sam's mail wrote: > > The motor should still be good. I pulled mine, > > opened it up and found nothing wrong. > > I don't know of anything you can see inside that > would indicate a bad reel motor. The motor could > FF and REW just fine and still fail in Play. A > better check is to drive the motor with 2.5V > and verify that it will still turn UNDER LOAD > (use your finger to apply light pressure) and > will start every time. > > > Then installed a known functioning > > drive unit and it worked fine. Which proved the drive circuit is > good. > > So, the problem seems to be a bad feedback signal from the hall > effect > > sensor. > > Maybe, but not necessarily. > > -- Ron > > > > If your lucky, just pull the hub and make sure it's clean. > > Reassemble, and your good to go. Or, if your not so lucky, your > in my > > camp and you have to break down the drive to replace the beastly > sensor. > > This is a bit tricky, so use caution. Hope all this helps. > > > > Anybody know of a source for the hall effect sensors?? > > > > Samuel Crider > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/07, *kannan srinivasaraghavan* > > > wrote: > > > > Possible reel motor going bad - need reel motor replacement. > > Kannan > > > > > > */Paul Carrington > > > /* wrote: > > > > RW&FF ok > > Play ok without cassette > > With Cassette, take-up spool stops within a fraction of a turn. The > > voltage on the motor is 2V approx and it stops just before the > > voltage > > disappears > > any ideas? > > Regards > > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon May 7 17:03:02 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:03:02 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:21:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, paulcar at caribsurf.com writes: As the motor works perfectly when there is no cassette in the well, I do not think it is the motor My CR-3 needed a new reel motor when it had exactly the same symptoms. New reel motor fixed it. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 00:38:47 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:38:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <463C9616.3080800@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070507173847.0088ce20@earthlink.net> PAul, that 42-1990 is shown as 9" and .031 thick by .210 . 42-1995 is a bit better at 9.1 and .033 by .160. I would use nothing less than 9.2" The FRW 9.2 is the best mcm generic .020 by .160 for the BX 300. Jeff Whittier has better belts than the FRW 9.2. tom brucker At 10:35 AM 5/5/07 -0400, you wrote: >I was placing an order with MCM and remembering that someone had said >that their 42-1990 belts were suitable for the BX300, I included these >in the order. >I put one of the belts on my spare BX300 which had been stalling on play >and also the capstan belt (white, quite thin) had meanwhile perished. >The capstan would not >turn with this belt fitted! >A few weeks ago, a friend sent me one he had acquired off e-bay and that >was much smaller than the white belt that was fitted (and even smaller >than the >42-1990 belts)......so while it is claimed that generic belts work okay >on the BX300, I am yet to find one that does! > >Regards >Paul >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 00:38:46 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:38:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:BX300 belt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070507173846.0088c8f0@earthlink.net> Jeff, I had a great talk with Willy Herman today. I installed one of the 3 pack of belts from the first set you sent into a ZX9. W/F measured 0.04-0.06 % wtd. which is one of the best measurements to date. I think you do have an excellent belt for the direct drive decks! Now we just have to figure out which one it is. I would also like to buy the 3 pack for my stock. Are you banned from Naktalk, or on read only? tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue May 8 01:57:56 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:BX300 belt In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070507173846.0088c8f0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <745184.72378.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just to inform others. The ZX-9 capstan belt is the 0C08334 and NOT the 0C08096 that is ultra critical in the other classic mechanism decks (480 thru 482Z, 580 thru 582Z, 660ZX thru 682ZX, including non-ZX models, LX-3, LX-5, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, RX-303, and RX-505). In general the ZX-9 is not very sensitive to capstan belt specs and can use generic belts without much problem. >I think you do have an excellent belt for the direct drive decks! That would be which decks? ZX-9 is the only classic transport deck that is direct drive except for maybe the Dragon which is double direct drive and doesn't use a belt. Other direct drive decks are all Sankyo transport like the BX-300, MR-1, DR-1, CR-3, CR-4, CR-5, CR-7A, CassetteDeck 1, 1.5 and the ZX-5 (actually I think a few of these decks are not direct drive), I believe that all these decks can use the FRM9.2 generic replacement belt without problem as they are non critical. SJ Hi Tech wrote: Jeff, I had a great talk with Willy Herman today. I installed one of the 3 pack of belts from the first set you sent into a ZX9. W/F measured 0.04-0.06 % wtd. which is one of the best measurements to date. I think you do have an excellent belt for the direct drive decks! Now we just have to figure out which one it is. I would also like to buy the 3 pack for my stock. Are you banned from Naktalk, or on read only? tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 8 02:27:18 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:27:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re:BX300 belt Message-ID: In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:26:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I had a great talk with Willy Herman today. I installed one of the 3 pack of belts from the first set you sent into a ZX9. W/F measured 0.04-0.06 % wtd. which is one of the best measurements to date. I think you do have an excellent belt for the direct drive decks! Now we just have to figure out which one it is. I would also like to buy the 3 pack for my stock. Are you banned from Naktalk, or on read only? Hi Tom, I am getting the feed only irregularly. I have tried to confirm and re-confirm and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The first batch of belts I sent you was a Zenith replacement belt for a Zenith VCR or a Zenith turntable. Unfortunately, it is one of the belts which I have only been able to find from a source which charges $34 for a minimum order. However, I did send you another belt which may actually be the same belt, from a turntable supply place, which if I remember right charged only $5 for the belt plus $5 for shipping. It was 9.2 x 0.023 x 0.24 if I remember right. I do indeed have a bag of these left, as I bought a bunch to fill up the minimum order. Anyone who wants one can get one from me for $8 including shipping, via Paypal. If anyone wants a complete BX-300, CR-4-5-7, or MR-1 belt kit consisting of this belt, plus the tape tension belt and an idler tire, I would charge $10 including shipping anywhere in the world. I sent a few out, they're very inexpensive to mail. Let me know as the tests progress. I'm hoping to hear from Willy soon, as I lent him some decks to do tests on. He's away on his anniversary right now I believe. Retirement is rough. Jeff ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems as if some trip mechanism comes into play .... if it was the sensor, would that react as quickly as 1/8 of a turn? also, if PLAY runs continuously (without stopping) when there is no tape in the well, does this not indicate that the sensor is not at fault? Regards Paul C From benstratford at aol.com Tue May 8 15:34:02 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:34:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reduced Tape Availability Message-ID: <8C95F8CACDEF5D7-138-1043@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> Better Stock up, the feared day that tape is no longer available has come closer. The following article from the UK press today. Best Regards, Ben Store rewinds sales of cassettes The days of the cassette tape are doomed, it has been predicted, after a major electrical retailer announced it was pressing the eject button on sales. Currys, with more than 500 stores in the UK, said existing stocks of blank cassette tapes would be sold but not replenished. The move comes in the face of the runaway success of digital music formats such as the iPod and the MP3 player. Currys have also said they anticipate that cassette decks, which are today installed in less than 5% of audio equipment stocked by the retailer, will disappear from the range entirely within 18 months. The announcement sounds the death knell for the lovingly-made compilation cassette tape, often used as a gift to impress the opposite sex, and now gathering dust in many cases. It also the heralds a wave of nostalgia for a generation used to dealing with chewed tapes and music often reduced to sounding as if it was being performed underwater. "It has been a remarkably durable format," said Peter Keenan, managing director of Currys. "I remember the tape with some fondness. The hours spent putting together compilation tapes and the all-too-familiar experience of finding that your deck had chewed your tape will resonate with many now in their 30s and 40s. "For today's MP3 generation, it's just a few clicks of the mouse to achieve what's arguably a better outcome." Currys have said the humble cassette tape has failed to compete with digital technology with a top-of-the range iPod holding the same number of albums as 1,500 cassettes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 8 15:38:50 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:38:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464076DC.30107@caribsurf.com> References: <464076DC.30107@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <46407D6A.7010209@rcn.com> Paul Carrington wrote: > Hi, > I don't think it is the motor - the take-up spool makes just a fraction > of a turn (less than 1/4) and stops abruptly. The torque measurement is > 45 for play, 110 for FF and 100 for REW. > It seems as if some trip mechanism comes into play .... if it was the > sensor, would that react as quickly as 1/8 of a turn? It normally reacts within 1 -2 seconds but yours could be quicker. > also, if PLAY > runs continuously (without stopping) when there is no tape in the well, > does this not indicate that the sensor is not at fault? To test the sensor, play with no tape and with your finger stop the take-up hub. Drive should disappear within 1 - 2 seconds. Playing continuously with no tape does NOT indicate a good motor. -- Ron Regards > Paul C > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From sendigitall at yahoo.com Tue May 8 19:38:19 2007 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] TD700 pressure pad lifter... In-Reply-To: <200705081005.l48A30Eq016898@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <17118.95387.qm@web62515.mail.re1.yahoo.com> does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly ..gurus ...let me know....... --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue May 8 18:05:38 2007 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:05:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belts for 1000zxl References: <330438.24908.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501c7918a$c9fd6610$6801a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi Ram, No problem! Do you just want the two Nakamichi original capstan belts or two complete sets of 4 belts? Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------ ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: jeff at nakamichi.us Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Belts for 1000zxl Jeff, I would like to order your OEM belts for the Nakamichi 1000ZXL ( 2 sets) Please tell me what address I send you the paypal payment and how much these will be with shipping. Thanks. Ramachandran Ramnath DDS jeff at nakamichi.us wrote: Hi Ram, We now have enough original precision Nakamichi capstan belts that we can sell some. BX-1, CR-2, DR-8 and all the similar transports is $34.75 BX-300, MR-1, CR-7, CR-5 & CR-4 is $44.75 680ZX and all the similar transports $55. Considering that they last 10 to 15 years, it's worth it! The shipping expenses are extra. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 17:03:03 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:03:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464076DC.30107@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070508100303.00890950@earthlink.net> Paul, The best way to confirm a noisy sensor is to look at it with a scope. A noisy sensor would stop regardless of tape or no tape, so your sensor is OK. The reel sensor shuts off almost instantly. Your FF,RW torques are much too high. Did you modify the idler tire? You can use a dual trace oscilloscope to confirm a bad reel motor. Insert a 1 ohm resistor in series with one reel motor lead, and attach the scope to display the difference across this resistor. A bad motor will have spikes in current where the dead spot or short are. Small ripples are normal. Compare loaded and unloaded waveforms. tom brucker At 09:10 AM 5/8/07 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >I don't think it is the motor - the take-up spool makes just a fraction >of a turn (less than 1/4) and stops abruptly. The torque measurement is >45 for play, 110 for FF and 100 for REW. >It seems as if some trip mechanism comes into play .... if it was the >sensor, would that react as quickly as 1/8 of a turn? also, if PLAY >runs continuously (without stopping) when there is no tape in the well, >does this not indicate that the sensor is not at fault? >Regards >Paul C > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From clintmschd at aol.com Tue May 8 22:02:48 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:02:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reduced Tape Availability In-Reply-To: <8C95F8CACDEF5D7-138-1043@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C95F8CACDEF5D7-138-1043@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C95FC2FC315559-1078-3059@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the info, not worried about this at all. I have tape into the next century, enough for my grandson to play with when he gets old enough. Chewed up tapes? Who me? Anyone knows that the main thing that kills tape decks is non use and dirt. I have 4 Naks and a Revox and they haven't chewed up a tape in years. I rotate them and keep them all clean and serviced, noah problim mon! Friend of mine bought Tower records in his area out before they closed and we shared the booty, got high bias, super bias and metals and most important, i have the magical toy of yesteryear, the BULK ERASER! If you want to know about it's magical powers on CD's, i'll tell you about it sometime. Remember when the told us albums were going away? I you were foolish enough to take the bait, you're now paying 3 times for those same albums to get them back and turntables have gone through the roof! A $200 dollar Thorens table can now be sold for $400-$600 bucks, imagine that. Used record stores are making so much money, they blush to even tell you! They also told us Open Reels were going away too! Try and buy a good one now and be prepared to lose your left arm to get it! I have 5 of them and they're all nice, damned near worth their weight in gold. Go figure! Us Nakheads have connections, we know what the deal is and if you can't get tapes, you got no business with a Nak. I have people giving me tapes because they think these things are dinosaurs but when i do one up and play it back in my van, with the old Delco AM/FM cassette deck the nobody wants, they give me that "Einstein" look and say, "This is a tape?" I tell them yes and i can leave my window down all night with tapes on the seat and no one touchs them! When these companies send these "scare tactic" ads, be careful, they're greedy and will try to suck as much money out of you as they can or, hold back a batch of them thinking they're gonna be "Donald Trump" when they sell them Heads up fellas, the world is full of cassette tapes, some you haven't even heard of yet, fear not mi bredren! clintmschd at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 6:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] Reduced Tape Availability Better Stock up, the feared day that tape is no longer available has come closer. The following article from the UK press today. Best Regards, Ben Store rewinds sales of cassettes The days of the cassette tape are doomed, it has been predicted, after a major electrical retailer announced it was pressing the eject button on sales. Currys, with more than 500 stores in the UK, said existing stocks of blank cassette tapes would be sold but not replenished. The move comes in the face of the runaway success of digital music formats such as the iPod and the MP3 player. Currys have also said they anticipate that cassette decks, which are today installed in less than 5% of audio equipment stocked by the retailer, will disappear from the range entirely within 18 months. The announcement sounds the death knell for the lovingly-made compilation cassette tape, often used as a gift to impress the opposite sex, and now gathering dust in many cases. It also the heralds a wave of nostalgia for a generation used to dealing with chewed tapes and music often reduced to sounding as if it was being performed underwater. "It has been a remarkably durable format," said Peter Keenan, managing director of Currys. "I remember the tape with some fondness. The hours spent putting together compilation tapes and the all-too-familiar experience of finding that your deck had chewed your tape will resonate with many now in their 30s and 40s. "For today's MP3 generation, it's just a few clicks of the mouse to achieve what's arguably a better outcome." Currys have said the humble cassette tape has failed to compete with digital technology with a top-of-the range iPod holding the same number of albums as 1,500 cassettes. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 8 22:30:28 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:30:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Reduced Tape Availability Message-ID: In a message dated 5/8/2007 1:21:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clintmschd at aol.com writes: Thanks for the info, not worried about this at all. I have tape into the next century, enough for my grandson to play with when he gets old enough. Chewed up tapes? Who me? Anyone knows that the main thing that kills tape decks is non use and dirt. I have 4 Naks and a Revox and they haven't chewed up a tape in years. I rotate them and keep them all clean and serviced, noah problim mon! Friend of mine bought Tower records in his area out before they closed and we shared the booty, got high bias, super bias and metals and most important, i have the magical toy of yesteryear, the BULK ERASER! If you want to know about it's magical powers on CD's, i'll tell you about it sometime. Remember when the told us albums were going away? I you were foolish enough to take the bait, you're now paying 3 times for those same albums to get them back and turntables have gone through the roof! A $200 dollar Thorens table can now be sold for $400-$600 bucks, imagine that. Used record stores! are making so much money, they blush to even tell you! They also told us Open Reels were going away too! Try and buy a good one now and be prepared to lose your left arm to get it! I have 5 of them and they're all nice, damned near worth their weight in gold. Go figure! Us Nakheads have connections, we know what the deal is and if you can't get tapes, you got no business with a Nak. I have people giving me tapes because they think these things are dinosaurs but when i do one up and play it back in my van, with the old Delco AM/FM cassette deck the nobody wants, they give me that "Einstein" look and say, "This is a tape?" I tell them yes and i can leave my window down all night with tapes on the seat and no one touchs them! When these companies send these "scare tactic" ads, be careful, they're greedy and will try to suck as much money out of you as they can or, hold back a batch of them thinking they're gonna! be "Donald Trump" when they sell them Heads up fellas, the wo! rld is f ull of cassette tapes, some you haven't even heard of yet, fear not mi bredren! Hmm, I'll ditto that. You could make a case this is the best possible time for cassettes and cassette decks. I got a BX-300 on eBay last year for $51 plus shipping, a RX-303 with a RM-200 for $76, a like-new 680 for $230, etc. I'm getting pre-recorded tapes at garage sales for 25 cents. It never cost less to have great stuff. There's lots of blank tapes available from wholesalers on the web cheaper than you can buy it retail, except for the demise of Type 4 formulation. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Tue May 8 22:57:45 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:57:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges In-Reply-To: <200705041001.l44A1Bhw021410@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705041001.l44A1Bhw021410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Paul! thats cheaper than the new stylus I got 2 days ago. I simply cannot describe the musical joy I'm getting listening to the vinyl ..... the previous stylus was in excellent condition but the polymers etc. must have been kaput ........ as the differrence is night and day. I wonder how many people giving up on vinyl are listening to duff stylii just like not listening to Naks and giving up on cassettes Quite a lot I should think Thanks for the tip Paul and thanks for the photos Alex, great to see your kit, and that Supex .... well Im jealous ... lets leave it at that Cheers Ian From: Paul Carrington Sorry for the late input - Stereophile compiles a table of recommended equipment annually and the only budget cartridge that makes the list, albeit at the lowest level, the Audio Technica AT 95E. The MM cartridge cost me GBP22.57 from Mantra Audio in 2005.... It wont compete with a Dynavector but it gives a good account of itself Regards Paul C From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue May 8 23:48:01 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:48:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges In-Reply-To: References: <200705041001.l44A1Bhw021410@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000c01c791ba$90026890$b00739b0$@utah.edu> I would disagree about giving up on vinyl. Here in Salt Lake City, vinyl is getting more demand. Many of us in our 40 and 50's are figuring out that digital just can't capture the warmth of an LP. DVD-A and SACD are pleasant however can't compete with a nice TT with a descent cartridge. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges Paul! thats cheaper than the new stylus I got 2 days ago. I simply cannot describe the musical joy I'm getting listening to the vinyl ..... the previous stylus was in excellent condition but the polymers etc. must have been kaput ........ as the differrence is night and day. I wonder how many people giving up on vinyl are listening to duff stylii just like not listening to Naks and giving up on cassettes Quite a lot I should think Thanks for the tip Paul and thanks for the photos Alex, great to see your kit, and that Supex .... well Im jealous ... lets leave it at that Cheers Ian From: Paul Carrington Sorry for the late input - Stereophile compiles a table of recommended equipment annually and the only budget cartridge that makes the list, albeit at the lowest level, the Audio Technica AT 95E. The MM cartridge cost me GBP22.57 from Mantra Audio in 2005.... It wont compete with a Dynavector but it gives a good account of itself Regards Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 9 07:33:49 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 05:33:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges Message-ID: My dear Ian, Be my guest!!! Cheers, Alex! > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:57:45 +0100> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: earthrite at gn.apc.org> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges> > Paul! thats cheaper than the new stylus I got 2 days ago.> > I simply cannot describe the musical joy I'm getting listening to the > vinyl ..... the previous stylus was in excellent condition but the > polymers etc. must have been kaput ........ as the differrence is > night and day.> > I wonder how many people giving up on vinyl are listening to duff > stylii just like not listening to Naks and giving up on cassettes> > Quite a lot I should think> > Thanks for the tip Paul and thanks for the photos Alex, great to see > your kit, and that Supex .... well Im jealous ... lets leave it at > that> > Cheers> > Ian> > > > From: Paul Carrington > > > Sorry for the late input - Stereophile compiles a table of recommended> equipment annually and the only budget cartridge that makes the list,> albeit at the lowest level,> the Audio Technica AT 95E. The MM cartridge cost me GBP22.57 from> Mantra Audio in 2005....> It wont compete with a Dynavector but it gives a good account of itself> Regards> Paul C> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many of us in our 40 and 50's are figuring out that digital just can't capture the warmth of an LP. DVD-A and SACD are pleasant however can't compete with a nice TT with a descent cartridge. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of earthrite at gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges Paul! thats cheaper than the new stylus I got 2 days ago. I simply cannot describe the musical joy I'm getting listening to the vinyl ..... the previous stylus was in excellent condition but the polymers etc. must have been kaput ........ as the differrence is night and day. I wonder how many people giving up on vinyl are listening to duff stylii just like not listening to Naks and giving up on cassettes Quite a lot I should think Thanks for the tip Paul and thanks for the photos Alex, great to see your kit, and that Supex .... well Im jealous ... lets leave it at that Cheers Ian From: Paul Carrington Sorry for the late input - Stereophile compiles a table of recommended equipment annually and the only budget cartridge that makes the list, albeit at the lowest level, the Audio Technica AT 95E. The MM cartridge cost me GBP22.57 from Mantra Audio in 2005.... It wont compete with a Dynavector but it gives a good account of itself Regards Paul C ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 9 04:29:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 02:29:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Message-ID: <050920070229.15729.46413220000835C100003D7122120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From danzone7 at aol.com Wed May 9 08:04:55 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:04:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <050920070229.15729.46413220000835C100003D7122120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <032a01c791ff$faed6b60$0307a8c0@DR1> I'm sure the Tandberg 3014 is a fine machine from a technical viewpoint, but it is Butt - Ugly! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0QQ itemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 9 10:24:04 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:24:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges Message-ID: Dear Victor! You wrote...getting more demand. Many of us in our 40 and 50's are figuring out that> > digital just can't capture the warmth of an LP... Sorry I completely agreed...that Vinyl still till today much better sounding source!. Os course using a decent TT + the best cartridge that such decently TT arm can cope! 'm today very near 64 years old I my presently Vinyl collection is near 12,000 LP records...since I begun listening music. Peace, Alex! > From: DM2 at marctronixx.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 20:52:01 -0400> > Haaa.. im in my very early 30s and I knew this in my late teens... :-)> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> > Of Victor Gabrenas> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:48 PM> > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Cartridges> > > > I would disagree about giving up on vinyl. Here in Salt Lake City, vinyl> > is> > ..getting more demand. Many of us in our 40 and 50's are figuring out that> > digital just can't capture the warmth of an LP. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 9 15:34:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 08:34:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <050920070229.15729.46413220000835C100003D7122120207849C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070509083440.0089b370@earthlink.net> The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there are so many good engineering ideas. tom brucker At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed May 9 16:49:29 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:49:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070509083440.0089b370@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070509083440.0089b370@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I think it's quite normal that products from two different brands have different sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Then it becomes a matter of personal taste. I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to make recordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - some people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry", etc. I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - the recording sounds almost always slightly different than the source - please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term used most often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it's all a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's system allows one to hear the nuances. Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience with all Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and the ZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in all cases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II) Revoxes. As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos "The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon. All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks are properly aligned and calibrated, of course. Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does not mean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever made and definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns (unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi as anyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey that without ramming my opinion down anyone's throat. Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post that often, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer. Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception for me - iDon't -:) George On 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote: > The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. > The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had > as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old > people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville > that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI > audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user > who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence > can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak > reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high > resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there > are so many good engineering ideas. > > tom brucker > > At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care > was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q > QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed May 9 18:07:25 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:07:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] rega Planet and vinyl sounding Digital In-Reply-To: <200705091000.l49A0Fmh011737@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705091000.l49A0Fmh011737@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Some 6 weeks back some brother on the forum wrote on a analogue v digi thread to say he like myself had a Rega Planet cd player, I mentioned mine is tweaked by a 'flat earth uber geek' ( goodness) and this brother wanted to know what I had had done .... i said I write back later and now i cant find the email to reply too ....was it one of our Bob's? I was saying the designer hated CD players but ended up having to make em or go out of business and so he went many miles to incorporate components and thinking to get a vinyl sounding deck (without tubes) Anyway if'n you are still with us and interested flag up your interest and I'll reply PRIVATELY for the sake of peace with the 'OFF topekas' amongst us. I have been off earning some dosh in recent weeks and can now reply properly ian r scotland From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 9 17:43:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <740816.17531.qm@web80212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have anyone made a comparsion between a Tandberg 3014A, a DRAGON and a REVOX B215 using a commerical pre-recorded cassette tape ( not a tape recorded by anyone of the above decks )? Thanks. Mike george valkov wrote: Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I think it's quite normal that products from two different brands have different sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Then it becomes a matter of personal taste. I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to make recordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - some people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry", etc. I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - the recording sounds almost always slightly different than the source - please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term used most often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it's all a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's system allows one to hear the nuances. Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience with all Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and the ZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in all cases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II) Revoxes. As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos "The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon. All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks are properly aligned and calibrated, of course. Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does not mean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever made and definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns (unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi as anyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey that without ramming my opinion down anyone's throat. Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post that often, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer. Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception for me - iDon't -:) George On 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote: > The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. > The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had > as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old > people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville > that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI > audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user > who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence > can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak > reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high > resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there > are so many good engineering ideas. > > tom brucker > > At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care > was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q > QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 9 17:49:16 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070509154916.6213.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, Your narrative is very good.....but alas! you left out the grand daddy of all decks here. The Nakamichi 1000ZXL and its limited brother. Yes, the Naks sound different( warm etc..) but the ZXL when running properly can flame every deck out there ( and I have heard the revoxes, studers and the Tandbergs too) without an argument. Until I heard and recorded on the ZX9, I thought it was the epitomy of cassette recording. The ZXL due to its unique combination of Azimuth, level, bias and most importantly EQ adjustment variables, outperforms any other deck out there, bar none. When playing back too, a properly calibrated 1000ZXL ( I have one thanks to Tom Brucker's TLC recently) will outperform most high end decks, IMHO even the mighty Dragon( I have compared them both side by side) most of the times unless a recording is so off azimuth that it needs a full 6 degree turn of the head. Of course, this is my sole, humble ( may be biased) opinion. Any and all comments welcome. And thanks TOM, for making my ZXL what it should be . Ram george valkov wrote: Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I think it's quite normal that products from two different brands have different sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Then it becomes a matter of personal taste. I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to make recordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - some people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry", etc. I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - the recording sounds almost always slightly different than the source - please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term used most often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it's all a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's system allows one to hear the nuances. Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience with all Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and the ZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in all cases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II) Revoxes. As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos "The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon. All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks are properly aligned and calibrated, of course. Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does not mean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever made and definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns (unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi as anyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey that without ramming my opinion down anyone's throat. Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post that often, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer. Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception for me - iDon't -:) George On 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote: > The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. > The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had > as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old > people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville > that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI > audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user > who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence > can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak > reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high > resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there > are so many good engineering ideas. > > tom brucker > > At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care > was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q > QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 9 21:19:39 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:19:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070509083440.0089b370@earthlink.net> <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46421ECB.3070200@rcn.com> george valkov wrote: > [.....] > ....some people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", > "dry", etc. I call it 'transparent'. > I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest > to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound)... I quite agree, which is why I chose the CR-7. -- Ron From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed May 9 19:20:04 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:20:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <20070509154916.6213.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <518b7b10705090749m34f0a257hb59a7db9a3f0df9c@mail.gmail.com> <20070509154916.6213.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10705091020q4795d72mfbdde2b7105be7e7@mail.gmail.com> Ram, I also have a 1000ZXL in excellent working condition and I didn't forget about it. I guess it is a matter of definition of what different people understand by "the ZXL when running properly can flame every deck out there" - does it make a recording as close as possible to the source played back on the 1000ZXL or other decks, does the recording sound better than the source in the beholder's ears when played back on the 1000ZXL or other decks, does the recording sound better on other decks than recordings made on same decks, etc., etc. without even entering factors like ease of use, reliability, etc., into the equation. Having followed your generally very enthusiasthic postings since you recently joined the list I would guess that the 1000ZXL must be the best against all of the above criteria plus any other one I could possibly think of. However, let's not forget the "when running properly" part. A couple of years ago I gave my 1000ZXL to a close friend and Nakmaniac who has the time and inclination to keep it that way. To be honest, I can't be bothered any more. I still enjoy it immensely when I visit my friend, but so far I have never felt the desire to take it back. In short, I don't find the difference in sound worth the hassle. I have no technical background or interest in fiddling with my toys myself - I also have a pretty busy life, maybe that explains why I am not totally overwhelmed by the wonderfully fickle 1000ZXL. And why I find my B215 so easy to like, since it has never had any need for any repairs since 1985 when I bought it new (once replaced the bulbs for the meter display) - and still does 20Hz - 20kHz flat at +1/-2dB with a well used TDK "D" tape. I still prefer to listen on the Dragon though -:). Finally, my taste obviously runs to decks which record the source as faithfully as possible, i.e. without taking away or adding anything to it - no matter how pleasant this might make it sound. If the source is crap, so be it, I'd rather hear it that way. But that's just me. Back to my work emails now. George On 5/9/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > Your narrative is very good.....but alas! you left out the grand daddy of > all decks here. The Nakamichi 1000ZXL and its limited brother. > > Yes, the Naks sound different( warm etc..) but the ZXL when running properly > can flame every deck out there ( and I have heard the revoxes, studers and > the Tandbergs too) without an argument. > > Until I heard and recorded on the ZX9, I thought it was the epitomy of > cassette recording. The ZXL due to its unique combination of Azimuth, level, > bias and most importantly EQ adjustment variables, outperforms any other > deck out there, bar none. > > When playing back too, a properly calibrated 1000ZXL ( I have one thanks to > Tom Brucker's TLC recently) will outperform most high end decks, IMHO even > the mighty Dragon( I have compared them both side by side) most of the times > unless a recording is so off azimuth that it needs a full 6 degree turn of > the head. > > Of course, this is my sole, humble ( may be biased) opinion. > > Any and all comments welcome. And thanks TOM, for making my ZXL what it > should be . > > Ram > > > > > george valkov wrote: > Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I think > it's quite normal that products from two different brands have > different sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Then > it becomes a matter of personal taste. > > I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to make > recordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - some > people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry", > etc. > > I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest > to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - the > recording sounds almost always slightly different than the source - > please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term used > most often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it's > all a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's system > allows one to hear the nuances. > > Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience with > all Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and the > ZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in all > cases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II) > Revoxes. > > As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos > "The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon. > > All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks are > properly aligned and calibrated, of course. > > Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does not > mean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever made > and definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns > (unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi as > anyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey that > without ramming my opinion down anyone's throat. > > Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post that > often, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer. > > Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception for > me - iDon't -:) > > George > > On 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. > > The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had > > as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old > > people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville > > that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI > > audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user > > who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence > > can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak > > reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high > > resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there > > are so many good engineering ideas. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > > > > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE > machine, > > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much > care > > was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q > > > QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 10 04:29:28 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:29:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL on eBay Message-ID: <051020070229.2439.46428388000812AC0000098722165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Get your wallets out....found this auction just a few minutes ago... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230127837778&rd=1&rd=1 *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 10 05:19:03 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 03:19:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Good Source For Belts Message-ID: <051020070319.24511.46428F27000E1EDE00005FBF22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello Alll... I believe this person has been mentioned before on NakTalk, but I thought I would tell everyone about my experience dealing with him. His name is Fred Smith, and he seems to have two eBay names: marrscommunications is one name, and thingsnsuch is the other name. He sells complete belt kits for just about every Nakamichi deck I can think of. He also sells a few belt kits for other brands. I have bought two belt kits from him. Both kits arrived promptly, and the belts seem to fit (and work) perfectly. Fred can be very helpful and is willing to go beyond the call of duty for a customer. There was a technical issue with my beloved 682ZX, and through a number of e-mails back and forth, Fred very patiently walked me through it to a successful outcome. At all times Fred has been courteous and honest. GOOD NEWS: Fred has informed me that he has ordered an EXACT replacement for the Nakamichi 8096C capstan belt, made 100 percent to original specifications. This belt should fit all Nakamichi decks with the "classic" transport. I understand that it is very difficult to find a belt that matches the 8096C performance-wise, so having an exact replacement for this belt will be welcome news to many Nak lovers everywhere. Anyhow, I just thought I would tell everyone about my experiences dealing with Fred. (For what it's worth, I am NOT personally acquainted with Fred, nor will I profit if anyone buys anything from him. Just giving my opinion here.) *andy* From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu May 10 07:23:23 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:23:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Message-ID: My dear Ram, I wrote exactly what you today say...few year ago, when I received my today's in use Dragon as during 1984...I was able to compare both side by side a "Normally" 1000Z LX & a completely new Dragon cassette (Not mine other!). The music that I hear from the "Black ZXL was stunning...when the same TDK SA-X 100 minutes (Tape from Japan shell assembled in USA), which we recorder in the ZXL was heard on the Dragon & revoked! Another TDK from the same box now recorded on the Dragon & listen on the ZXL. ALWAYS...no matter which recorded cassette...ON the 1000 ZXL EVER...sound better much more REAL MUSIC!!! Now after so long I'm proud & happy that some one "Rediscover"...what I already knew! Enjoy your "Rebuilt" 1000 ZXL Peace, Alex! Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:49:16 -0700From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues....To: naktalk at naks.comGeorge,Your narrative is very good.....but alas! you left out the grand daddy of all decks here. The Nakamichi 1000ZXL and its limited brother.Yes, the Naks sound different( warm etc..) but the ZXL when running properly can flame every deck out there ( and I have heard the revoxes, studers and the Tandbergs too) without an argument.Until I heard and recorded on the ZX9, I thought it was the epitomy of cassette recording. The ZXL due to its unique combination of Azimuth, level, bias and most importantly EQ adjustment variables, outperforms any other deck out there, bar none.When playing back too, a properly calibrated 1000ZXL ( I have one thanks to Tom Brucker's TLC recently) will outperform most high end decks, IMHO even the mighty Dragon( I have compared them both side by side) most of the times unless a recording is so off azimuth that it needs a full 6 degree turn of the head.Of course, this is my sole, humble ( may be biased) opinion.Any and all comments welcome. And thanks TOM, for making my ZXL what it should be .Ram george valkov wrote: Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I thinkit's quite normal that products from two different brands havedifferent sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Thenit becomes a matter of personal taste.I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to makerecordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - somepeople call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry",etc.I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closestto the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - therecording sounds almost always slightly different than the source -please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term usedmost often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it'sall a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's systemallows one to hear the nuances.Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience withall Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and theZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in allcases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II)Revoxes.As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos"The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon.All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks areproperly aligned and calibrated, of course.Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does notmean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever madeand definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns(unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi asanyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey thatwithout ramming my opinion down anyone's throat.Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post thatoften, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer.Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception forme - iDon't -:)GeorgeOn 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote:> The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds.> The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had> as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old> people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville> that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI> audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user> who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence> can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak> reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high> resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there> are so many good engineering ideas.>> tom brucker>> At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote:> >> >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in> advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi> advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned?> >> >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine,> better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much care> was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi...> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q> QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Tom Brucker CSM> Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> Nashville, TN 37211> 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165> mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========>========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Never miss an email again!Yahoo! 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Somehow, I don't trust this setup. ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Get your wallets out....found this auction just a few minutes ago... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230127837778&rd=1&rd=1 > > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Roland From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu May 10 12:50:08 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:50:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... References: <050920070229.15729.46413220000835C100003D7122120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00ea01c792f0$fa434f30$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> My twopenneth.... Obvious Sales hype to try and justify the very high asking price IMHO. Another reason for the Nak reference and probably why that seller is trowelling on the 'bull' is most people have never heard of the brand. Anybody seriously "in the know" would probably be well kitted out with a good Nakamichi, or two, or three... The TCD3014 is a great sounding deck, and given the number of years since I last listened to one, my detailed recollection is all but meaningless, but I do recall being 'impressed'. Having said that, like Nak's, I haven't encountered a duff Tandberg either. FWIW, I have two in my collection, a TCD310 and 310/II.. basic 2 headers, and both built like battleships. I have compared them to the 480's as the most relevant equivalent interms of facilites and function, and would rate them at least comparable in terms of sound, and perhaps a bit more 'open' or 'transparent'. The Tandberg metering is lousy compared to the Nak needle meters, more on a par with the cheap looking set in the 500. Not the easiest of beasts to service either, but do look good if vertically mounted.. unlike the 3014 which I agree is simply ugly no matter which way you look at it! Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... > > Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE machine, > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much > care was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0QQitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Thu May 10 14:44:07 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:44:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <46431397.8070307@caribsurf.com> Tom, I think you are right. I applied pressure to the take-up spool (without a cassette installed) and pressed play. This caused the spool to stop after a fraction of a turn. I then pressed play again and noted that although there was 2V on the motor, it was not turning and I had to give it a helping hand before it would rotate. So, it seems that with the cassette in, the load of the tape being slowly released by the capstan stalls the motor and once it stalls, it wont start without help. It is odd though that if you hit rew and then play, it starts okay..... What controls the speed of rotation of the take-up spool? it must be the speed at which the tape is released by the capstan..... that means that motor is under pressure and unable to reach its natural speed? Regards Paul PS It seems a major task to remove the motor? From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 10 15:31:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:31:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Information About The Nakamichi TA-4A Message-ID: <051020071331.13005.46431ECA000D1A6C000032CD22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I recently won the bidding on a Nakamichi STASIS Receiver, model TA-4A. I am eagerly awaiting this nice receiver, but I need some assistance. Any help would be much appreciated! I can't find ANY information about this receiver anywhere. I would like to know more about it: technical specifications list price when new where I can download owner's manuals and service manuals, etc. Can anyone help? THANKS IN ADVANCE.... *andy* From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 10 15:32:18 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... In-Reply-To: <518b7b10705091020q4795d72mfbdde2b7105be7e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <799000.16285.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George, George, yes, wonderful and fickle it is as you say. But its fickle behavior is what makes it such a lovable deck when its functioning great. To my ears Its does everything you mentioned in your first paragraph better than any Nak, Revox and Tandberg( or any others out there) I would definitely give the Revox the prize on overall build quality, but sound....nah! Of course this is MHO. George, we are all busy individuals, and thats why are able to afford all these decks in the first place. Please grab the ZXL back and discover what you have been missing. Regards, Ram george valkov wrote: Ram, I also have a 1000ZXL in excellent working condition and I didn't forget about it. I guess it is a matter of definition of what different people understand by "the ZXL when running properly can flame every deck out there" - does it make a recording as close as possible to the source played back on the 1000ZXL or other decks, does the recording sound better than the source in the beholder's ears when played back on the 1000ZXL or other decks, does the recording sound better on other decks than recordings made on same decks, etc., etc. without even entering factors like ease of use, reliability, etc., into the equation. Having followed your generally very enthusiasthic postings since you recently joined the list I would guess that the 1000ZXL must be the best against all of the above criteria plus any other one I could possibly think of. However, let's not forget the "when running properly" part. A couple of years ago I gave my 1000ZXL to a close friend and Nakmaniac who has the time and inclination to keep it that way. To be honest, I can't be bothered any more. I still enjoy it immensely when I visit my friend, but so far I have never felt the desire to take it back. In short, I don't find the difference in sound worth the hassle. I have no technical background or interest in fiddling with my toys myself - I also have a pretty busy life, maybe that explains why I am not totally overwhelmed by the wonderfully fickle 1000ZXL. And why I find my B215 so easy to like, since it has never had any need for any repairs since 1985 when I bought it new (once replaced the bulbs for the meter display) - and still does 20Hz - 20kHz flat at +1/-2dB with a well used TDK "D" tape. I still prefer to listen on the Dragon though -:). Finally, my taste obviously runs to decks which record the source as faithfully as possible, i.e. without taking away or adding anything to it - no matter how pleasant this might make it sound. If the source is crap, so be it, I'd rather hear it that way. But that's just me. Back to my work emails now. George On 5/9/07, shanti ramachandran wrote: > George, > > Your narrative is very good.....but alas! you left out the grand daddy of > all decks here. The Nakamichi 1000ZXL and its limited brother. > > Yes, the Naks sound different( warm etc..) but the ZXL when running properly > can flame every deck out there ( and I have heard the revoxes, studers and > the Tandbergs too) without an argument. > > Until I heard and recorded on the ZX9, I thought it was the epitomy of > cassette recording. The ZXL due to its unique combination of Azimuth, level, > bias and most importantly EQ adjustment variables, outperforms any other > deck out there, bar none. > > When playing back too, a properly calibrated 1000ZXL ( I have one thanks to > Tom Brucker's TLC recently) will outperform most high end decks, IMHO even > the mighty Dragon( I have compared them both side by side) most of the times > unless a recording is so off azimuth that it needs a full 6 degree turn of > the head. > > Of course, this is my sole, humble ( may be biased) opinion. > > Any and all comments welcome. And thanks TOM, for making my ZXL what it > should be . > > Ram > > > > > george valkov wrote: > Quite interesting comparison, Tom, and quite to the point. I think > it's quite normal that products from two different brands have > different sound, since they usually utilise different approaches. Then > it becomes a matter of personal taste. > > I find the Tandberg (similar to ReVox) has the ability to make > recordings which are really indistinguishable from the source - some > people call that sort of sound "neutral", "clinical", "cold", "dry", > etc. > > I also find that most Naks don't do that (the CR-7 maybe comes closest > to the Tandberg/ReVox or, if you wish, "European" sound) - the > recording sounds almost always slightly different than the source - > please note I say "different", not "better" nor "worse". The term used > most often seems to be "warm". I don't think this is a bad thing, it's > all a matter of personal taste - providing the rest of one's system > allows one to hear the nuances. > > Before I get flamed, let me say that I have not had experience with > all Nak series, the most notable exceptions being the 680-682 and the > ZX-7 and 9 models, so my general observation may not be valid in all > cases. I have had the Tandberg 3014 and the B-215 and B-710(Mk II) > Revoxes. > > As for my personal preference, I tend to agree with the great Carlos > "The Tape Man" Guzman - record on B-215, play back on Dragon. > > All above observations are based on the presumption that all decks are > properly aligned and calibrated, of course. > > Again, these are my personal taste and preferences, which does not > mean that the machines I prefer are the greatest, the best ever made > and definitely better than whatever anyone else on this list owns > (unless it is the same as I do -:). I am as passionate about hifi as > anyone else on this list and hope that I have managed to convey that > without ramming my opinion down anyone's throat. > > Despite being on the list for quite a few years now, I don't post that > often, which is why I decided I could make this one a bit longer. > > Enjoy the music in whatever format you can ! (Well, one exception for > me - iDon't -:) > > George > > On 5/9/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > The irony is that both of these excellent brands have different sounds. > > The Tandbergs are for the "no-fuss" crowd. In a VCR analogy, RCA VCRs had > > as few buttons and controls as possible. RCA was a good brand for old > > people. JVC VCRs had every possible control. There were bands in Nashville > > that used JVC vcrs to playback "tracks" during concerts BECAUSE the HI FI > > audio could be recorded with the limiters off. Nakamichi is for the user > > who can utilize the flexibility of the full machine. Another inferrence > > can be drawn by looking at the meters. Tandbergs are simple (albiet peak > > reading AFTER Dolby...something no one else did) while the Naks had high > > resolution peak and peak hold. The beauty of the audio business is there > > are so many good engineering ideas. > > > > tom brucker > > > > At 02:29 AM 5/9/07 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >Have you ever noticed how often Nakamichi is mentioned by name in > > advertisements for other cassette decks, but in an actual Nakamichi > > advertisement, no other cassette deck needs to be mentioned? > > > > > >Don't mean to start any fights here, I'm sure this deck is a FINE > machine, > > better than many Nak models, but I thought it was interesting how much > care > > was taken to "prove" that this deck is "better" than Nakamichi... > > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Tandberg-TCD-3014-Cassette-Deck-excellent-condition_W0Q > > > QitemZ170108707283QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4784QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Tom Brucker CSM > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! 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Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sendigitall at yahoo.com Thu May 10 19:57:56 2007 From: sendigitall at yahoo.com (senthil nathan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad lifters In-Reply-To: <200705091000.l49A0Fmi011737@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <422947.40958.qm@web62507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly ..gurus ...let me know....... --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu May 10 23:37:27 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:37:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Message-ID: <0E293E05-39E6-49EE-AC65-EF6736103F5D@alumni.caltech.edu> > However, let's not forget the "when running properly" part. Not about the above comment, but I will sit with George on the "transparent is best" issue. I don't find the 1000zxl lacking in this regard. As far as the "properly running" I think there a several inter- related issues at play: 1. Most of the 1000zxls we've seen by people at least talking on the list have been obtained with a history of, shall we say, questionable quality. The reasons for that are numerous and some are not the fault of the prior owners--although many used perhaps the American driver model of spend initially therefore I don't need to maintain. 2. The decks are old. This is true of any classic Nak, but because of the large number of parts in the 1000zxl, there's a greater chance of some significant number of them having failed. 3. The parts which tend to fail (light bulbs and caps) aren't particularly different than the other Naks, but there are just a lot more of them. 4. The complexity of a 1000zxl makes it more difficult to work on and requires tools & skills unique to it (and to a lesser degree the 700zxl/zxe). 5. Shipping damage/difficulties on the already complex machine. 6. Finally, the 1000zxl because of it's automated tuning tends to be an all or nothing kind of proposition. That is, if one thing doesn't work, it doesn't autocal which means the deck is mostly useless for recording (unless you have stored settings that match what you want). There aren't very many easy work-arounds for minor mis-tunings/driftings/etc. I don't actually thing a 1000zxl, if completely refurb'ed and brought up to spec & had all its older-and- prone-to-failure-even-if-not-dead-yet parts (e.g. all caps) replaced,is siginificantly more fickle than another deck. The only thing that resembles that (IMHO) would be a rebuild by ESL and then most of us still have shipping to contend with. -kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 10 23:35:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:35:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad lifters In-Reply-To: <422947.40958.qm@web62507.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <200705091000.l49A0Fmi011737@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070510163539.0087bb40@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1316 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 03:45:31 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Message-ID: <24530.71956.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well summized Kimo. As more and more members are using these machines, a lot of the past myths are being busted. The ZXL machines just happen to contain a lot more parts, which increase the probability of something breaking down over time. And because this deck is almost 25 years old, it needs a full overhaul if really possible. Of course, shipment, cost and time all plays into the issue. Full overhauls are really exhaustive, and its good that ESL exists to actually provide people with this option. Some very good marques do not have such specialists. In the case of equipment like Teac, they are scattered all around and have expertise early in the product like or much later. However, we also have to take into consider demographic, economic and time constraints in embarking on such a service. While many of us want the best, would we be willing to spend this much on the cassette deck, or rather spend it on a nice turntable, arm and even a good moving coil cart! Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Kimo B. Yap To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:37:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... However, let's not forget the "when running properly" part. Not about the above comment, but I will sit with George on the "transparent is best" issue. I don't find the 1000zxl lacking in this regard. As far as the "properly running" I think there a several inter-related issues at play: 1. Most of the 1000zxls we've seen by people at least talking on the list have been obtained with a history of, shall we say, questionable quality. The reasons for that are numerous and some are not the fault of the prior owners--although many used perhaps the American driver model of spend initially therefore I don't need to maintain. 2. The decks are old. This is true of any classic Nak, but because of the large number of parts in the 1000zxl, there's a greater chance of some significant number of them having failed. 3. The parts which tend to fail (light bulbs and caps) aren't particularly different than the other Naks, but there are just a lot more of them. 4. The complexity of a 1000zxl makes it more difficult to work on and requires tools & skills unique to it (and to a lesser degree the 700zxl/zxe). 5. Shipping damage/difficulties on the already complex machine. 6. Finally, the 1000zxl because of it's automated tuning tends to be an all or nothing kind of proposition. That is, if one thing doesn't work, it doesn't autocal which means the deck is mostly useless for recording (unless you have stored settings that match what you want). There aren't very many easy work-arounds for minor mis-tunings/driftings/etc. I don't actually thing a 1000zxl, if completely refurb'ed and brought up to spec & had all its older-and- prone-to-failure-even-if-not-dead-yet parts (e.g. all caps) replaced,is siginificantly more fickle than another deck. The only thing that resembles that (IMHO) would be a rebuild by ESL and then most of us still have shipping to contend with. -kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri May 11 03:07:50 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:07:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <4643C1E6.5090509@caribsurf.com> Tom, I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed there were two holes just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of isopropyl alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, the takeup spool started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the other hole. It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the tape was on the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol through the front and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that (I have not seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) Regards Paul C PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and it got worse nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load on the motor From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 03:58:47 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad lifters In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070510163539.0087bb40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. There is no pad lifter. The service manual is vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on a base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge set. One could certainly be added as an experiment. Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon head...electrically it is! tom brucker At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly ..gurus ...let me know....... ---------- TV dinner still cooling? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 04:13:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <863655.59466.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Carrington To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Tom, I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed there were two holes just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of isopropyl alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, the takeup spool started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the other hole. It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the tape was on the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol through the front and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that (I have not seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) Regards Paul C PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and it got worse nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load on the motor ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri May 11 05:35:32 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:35:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". My questions are: What are the opinions about these three decks? Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 11 09:44:06 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad lifters In-Reply-To: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25118.212.78.164.66.1178869446.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Check naks.com, the (few) TD decks are listed there without the pad lifter! BTW, all Sankyo based 2-head Naks also lack the pad lifter. Wouter > > does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have > pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly > ..gurus ...let me know....... > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri May 11 10:18:03 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 4:18:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: <21980271.1178871483323.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml11> Andy, I can only speak from experience of the CR7A which I owned for six months. When it worked, it sounded wonderful. Someone hear described the recordings as 'neutral'. Well, yes, this is true ONLY with TDK tapes. I have some Sony ES and SR tapes and the recordings were brighter on the top end. I sold the CR7A and bought a Dragon and wouldn't part with it. The CR7A is gone now. The tape decided to wrap itself around the right capstan during an unattended recording. It took some work with a pair of needle nose pliers and scissors to free the tape. The deck never recorded the same again. Sure, some might argue that I might have done something to help it along but my argument is that the Sankyo transport proved to be too delicate. I love my Dragon and the way it records and plays back commercial recordings. It certainly is a LOVELY deck. I would not buy another CR7A. When properly maintained, it sounds wonderful but it's too dainty for my taste. ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: > > CR-7a > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > > I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. > > I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. > > I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". > > My questions are: > > What are the opinions about these three decks? > > Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? > > Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? > > Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? > > Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Roland From luis at peromarta.org Fri May 11 10:34:56 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:34:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46442AB0.3050105@peromarta.org> I own all of them. There's some noticeable differences between the ZX7 and ZX9, the DD on the ZX9 ir really impresive with W&F below 0,03%. (ZX7 is higher, around 0,07). On the ZX9 the direct coupled amps are also an improvement. I love the ZX9. The all manual adjustments allows you to calibrate to suit your needs, and the RH azimuth adj. allows perfectly aligned azimuth no matter your tape shell, etc. Smooth overall sound with great highs and lows. The CR-7 is a great machine, one of the latest greatest naks. Beautiful facilities and excelent sound. The adjustable PB azimuth is a must if you own tapes recorded in other decks. I'd buy both. ;) LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: > > CR-7a > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > > I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. > > I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. > > I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". > > My questions are: > > What are the opinions about these three decks? > > Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? > > Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? > > Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? > > Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kingd at usq.edu.au Fri May 11 10:28:28 2007 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:28:28 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 References: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <841452F66E1F99488A3BAF44E51CB895192E62@babbage.usq.edu.au> Hi Andy I can comment with experience on only one of these decks, and that is the ZX-9. I purchased it new back in 1985, and it has been in my ever changing and improving HI FI system ever since. It has been in three different houses and shared cabinet space with everything from turntables to hard disc music servers. I will never part with it. Only yesterday, I purchased some more TDK metal tapes to feed it. Compared to ingesting CDs into the server by mindlessly pressing a couple of buttons, recording on the ZX-9 is as much fun now as it has always been. In those past 22 years, the only thing I have done to this deck is change the belts once, and clean and demag the heads. It has never given me the slightest problem, and I still smile when I play it back, and tell my friends that yes, that really is a cassette playing. I love the fact that you have complete manual control over the bias, level and record azimath on a tape by tape basis. It is a tuned up version of the ZX-7 which I am sure is also a great deck as would be the CR-7. I love the ZX-9, and as a technician will keep it going as long as I possibly can using what ever parts I can get hold of. I have not even worried about the possibility of capacitor failure as that is an easy fix, and honestly there is no sign of that yet! Regards David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com on behalf of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Fri 5/11/2007 1:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". My questions are: What are the opinions about these three decks? Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. 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Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri May 11 10:33:05 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:33:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] And The Debate Continues.... Message-ID: <8C961BE2166BCF1-1744-6700@mblk-r14.sysops.aol.com> Kimo, I totally agree with everything. My first ZXL deck had a few issues but replacing all the polyprop caps and lamps plus 2 transistors fixed them all. It now has 25 hours on it since the work and runs flawlessly. Once I complete the electrical calibrations that Bala / Luis have mentioned as per the service manual it will I'm sure, be as well behaved as the other decks if not better. Of course when the correct gauges become available and the mechanical alignment can be optimised if required, then I anticipate even better results. Would I buy another one? OH YES. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Fri May 11 11:19:49 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:19:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: <8C961C4A9006249-1744-6747@mblk-r14.sysops.aol.com> Andy, My summary of the top Nak decks: The CR-7 is a very competent deck with probably the most simple to use controls for day to day use. The real time counter is very useful as is the remote control. The sound is different to other Naks that I have (all others are classic transport derivatives) in that it has an efficient neutrality that can not be challenged in its accuracy and faithfulness to the intended result. Motors do seem to be the only weakness in terms of reliability of the later models. The ZX-9 is a special deck, perhaps It's just because it was my first deck, but it is the undisputed KING of the manually adjustable decks and sounds so good, probably largely down to the direct drive. The manual azimuth adjustment is so rewarding and potentially more accurate than the auto calibration of the CR-7 but can be fiddly to optimise. The Dragon is another stand out deck which has a sound reproduction capability which I find to be different from all other decks also. Better in some ways but so different it is difficult to articulate the comparison. Every collection should have one ideally. If I had to sell 7 of my 8 decks though, I'd keep the 1000ZXL. Although it is belt driven, the functionality is superb, the bass / treble amazing and it has a charisma that the other decks aspire to. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri May 11 12:12:23 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:12:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: Hello Ben. Can I take the liberty; advising/proposing to you NOT; guard your 1000 ZXL...instead hold the ZX-9...which will be much easier to repair/furbish up in the future that the top model so you want to hold on! Good luck, Alex! To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:19:49 -0400From: benstratford at aol.com Andy, My summary of the top Nak decks: The CR-7 is a very competent deck with probably the most simple to use controls for day to day use. The real time counter is very useful as is the remote control. The sound is different to other Naks that I have (all others are classic transport derivatives) in that it has an efficient neutrality that can not be challenged in its accuracy and faithfulness to the intended result. Motors do seem to be the only weakness in terms of reliability of the later models. The ZX-9 is a special deck, perhaps It's just because it was my first deck, but it is the undisputed KING of the manually adjustable decks and sounds so good, probably largely down to the direct drive. The manual azimuth adjustment is so rewarding and potentially more accurate than the auto calibration of the CR-7 but can be fiddly to optimise. The Dragon is another stand out deck which has a sound reproduction capability which I find to be different from all other decks also. Better in some ways but so different it is difficult to articulate the comparison. Every collection should have one ideally. If I had to sell 7 of my 8 decks though, I'd keep the 1000ZXL. Although it is belt driven, the functionality is superb, the bass / treble amazing and it has a charisma that the other decks aspire to. Best Regards, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. 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Here is what I have found: http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/receivers/nakamichi/PRD_123694_ 1593crx.aspx?TabID=1 Brochure at http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/TA-4A_Pg01.html David Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:31:54 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Information About The Nakamichi TA-4A To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <051020071331.13005.46431ECA000D1A6C000032CD22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c omcast.net> I recently won the bidding on a Nakamichi STASIS Receiver, model TA-4A. I am eagerly awaiting this nice receiver, but I need some assistance. Any help would be much appreciated! I can't find ANY information about this receiver anywhere. I would like to know more about it: technical specifications list price when new where I can download owner's manuals and service manuals, etc. Can anyone help? THANKS IN ADVANCE.... *andy* From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri May 11 13:08:07 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:08:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46444E97.2080207@marrscommunications.com> Hello Everyone, Andy, I have own all 3 machines in the past, all purchase NEW back when. I happened to own the ZX-7 and ZX-9 at the same time and could tell no difference in sound or performance between the two, although because of the gold lettering the ZX-9 is cooler to look at. As for the CR-7a, It was my favorite machine, only because of convenience. It was also purchased NEW, broke down twice in the warranty period, Replaced by the dealer with ANOTHER New one, which died 2 months before the warranty period was up on it. Great machine but very high maintenance. These machines were used for home applications. Fred M. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: > >CR-7a >ZX-7 >ZX-9 > >I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. > >I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. > >I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". > >My questions are: > >What are the opinions about these three decks? > >Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? > >Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? > >Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? > >Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri May 11 13:29:41 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:29:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <863655.59466.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <863655.59466.qm@web39614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464453A5.3010100@caribsurf.com> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to the alcohol meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do a Google search for Cramoline. Regards Paul Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Paul, > > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 > > Tom, > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > there were two holes > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > isopropyl > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > the takeup spool > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > other hole. > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > tape was on > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > through the front > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > (I have not > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > Regards > Paul C > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > it got worse > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > on the motor > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 2007-05-09 3:07 PM > From benstratford at aol.com Fri May 11 13:31:21 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:31:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: <8C961D7090D3669-1744-6918@mblk-r14.sysops.aol.com> Alex, Of course you may attempt to persuade me, but belts are starting to be made available, motors can be substituted more easily and there are few parts in a ZXL that are not available. I am confident that if the members of this forum stick together then we can repair anything. (The Direct drive motors in a ZX-9 may not be so easy though). Anyway, I will definately keep most of the decks forever so no chance of the ZX-9 going anywhere! The only deck on the bench at the moment is the CR-7! Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 11 13:56:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:56:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <4643C1E6.5090509@caribsurf.com> References: <4643C1E6.5090509@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <464459D8.2070201@rcn.com> Paul, What you are doing is not very good. First, because squirting some alcohol does not do a thorough cleaning job. Second, because the alcohol tends to wash away lubrication. Third, because even after thorough cleaning AND lubrication, I have seen these motors continue to fail in Play mode. The only way I know of to achieve thorough cleaning is to dismantle the motor, clean -- then lubricate -- the bearings and burnish the commutator and brushes. This works wonders for the control motor but seldom for the reel motor. Good luck, -- Ron Paul Carrington wrote: > Tom, > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > there were two holes > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > isopropyl > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > the takeup spool > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > other hole. > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > tape was on > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > through the front > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > (I have not > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > Regards > Paul C > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > it got worse > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > on the motor > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 14:02:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 05:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Message-ID: <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul. Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and its got rid of a variety of problems. Bala ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Carrington To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to the alcohol meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do a Google search for Cramoline. Regards Paul Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Paul, > > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 > > Tom, > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > there were two holes > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > isopropyl > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > the takeup spool > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > other hole. > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > tape was on > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > through the front > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > (I have not > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > Regards > Paul C > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > it got worse > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > on the motor > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From danbarham at aol.com Fri May 11 14:05:03 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:05:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Message-ID: <8C961DBBE11D075-1278-6956@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri May 11 14:10:36 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> Bala, I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish I could find some. Fred M. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Paul. > > Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some > self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is > lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I > have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and > its got rid of a variety of problems. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 > > Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will > find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to > the alcohol > meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a > complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do > a Google search > for Cramoline. > Regards > Paul > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Paul, > > > > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will > > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up > > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. > > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids > > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 > > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 > > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. > > > > Bala > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Paul Carrington > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 > > > > Tom, > > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > > there were two holes > > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > > isopropyl > > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > > the takeup spool > > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > > other hole. > > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > > tape was on > > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > > through the front > > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > > (I have not > > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > > Regards > > Paul C > > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > > it got worse > > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > > on the motor > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: > 2007-05-09 3:07 PM > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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All of the time my CR4 is switched on, it emits a whine (about 1khz) which can be heard from the other side of the room. This is mechanical noise, not present in the output signal. The whine appears to be coming from the direct drive Capstan assembly and it It has been doing this since I purchased the deck (yes ebay) about 18 months ago. I put it down to needing a good clean and lubrication. However, having just got around to doing that, the noise is still there. Both flywheels turn easily and the speed appears to be accurate. Both Capstans were slightly stiffer to turn before the service, but not excessively so. The only deviation I noted from the service manual drawing is that I only found one small washer ( L03 polyslider) between the supply flywheel and the chassis. The drawing shows 2 of them. Is the noise I describe normal and to be expected? If not, has anyone else experienced it and found a cure? Am I one polyslider short of a satisfied grin? The noise is drowned out when listening to a tape but the vibration required to generate such a noise surely must have some audible effect on the final signal quality. I do note a slight loss of detail in the midrange when comparing recordings with the source, but overall it performs well and probably plays my old 482 recorded tapes as well as can be expected given their age and abuse. Tony Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 15:33:02 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <865428.14336.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, I have had the priviledge of owning all 3. I have heard all 3 and all of these are worth owning. I would rate the zx7/9 series almost equal, except due to the zx9 s direct drive system, theoretically rate it better. i hear no difference in these two. The zx7/9 IMHO are better recorders than players due to their manual calibration capabilities.ZX 9 has lower w/f numbers due to direct drive. The CR7 is a different animal altogether. It sounds more CDish, sharper etc.. and the playback azimuth fine tune sharpens the worst of recordings made on any machine on earth. In summary, if I were you, I would hunt for a zx9 and a cr7, for these two should suffice! Both are a must for ones collection. Regards, Ram hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". My questions are: What are the opinions about these three decks? Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 15:40:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <8C961C4A9006249-1744-6747@mblk-r14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <451789.9889.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Your last comment on the 1000ZXL was on the bulls eye. I couldnt agree with you more! Regards, Ram benstratford at aol.com wrote: Andy, My summary of the top Nak decks: The CR-7 is a very competent deck with probably the most simple to use controls for day to day use. The real time counter is very useful as is the remote control. The sound is different to other Naks that I have (all others are classic transport derivatives) in that it has an efficient neutrality that can not be challenged in its accuracy and faithfulness to the intended result. Motors do seem to be the only weakness in terms of reliability of the later models. The ZX-9 is a special deck, perhaps It's just because it was my first deck, but it is the undisputed KING of the manually adjustable decks and sounds so good, probably largely down to the direct drive. The manual azimuth adjustment is so rewarding and potentially more accurate than the auto calibration of the CR-7 but can be fiddly to optimise. The Dragon is another stand out deck which has a sound reproduction capability which I find to be different from all other decks also. Better in some ways but so different it is difficult to articulate the comparison. Every collection should have one ideally. If I had to sell 7 of my 8 decks though, I'd keep the 1000ZXL. Although it is belt driven, the functionality is superb, the bass / treble amazing and it has a charisma that the other decks aspire to. 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URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Fri May 11 15:55:53 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:55:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> References: <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is used for what? Regards Paul Marrs Communications wrote: > Bala, > I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish > I could find some. Fred M. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Paul. >> >> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >> its got rid of a variety of problems. >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Paul Carrington >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >> >> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >> the alcohol >> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >> a Google search >> for Cramoline. >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Paul, >> > >> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: Paul Carrington >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >> > >> > Tom, >> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >> > there were two holes >> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >> > isopropyl >> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >> squirt, >> > the takeup spool >> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >> > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >> > other hole. >> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >> When >> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >> > tape was on >> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >> alcohol >> > through the front >> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >> that >> > (I have not >> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >> > Regards >> > Paul C >> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >> > it got worse >> > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >> > on the motor >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: >> 2007-05-09 3:07 PM >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks >> on Yahoo! TV. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 2007-05-10 5:10 PM > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 15:49:30 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464453A5.3010100@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <726452.61985.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, If the tape stops after 80 % playing check your take up torque and/or check your counter belt! Counter belts slip and cause such middle stops. My 2 cents. Ram Paul Carrington wrote: Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to the alcohol meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do a Google search for Cramoline. Regards Paul Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Paul, > > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. > > Bala > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Carrington > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 > > Tom, > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > there were two holes > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > isopropyl > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > the takeup spool > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > other hole. > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > tape was on > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > through the front > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > (I have not > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > Regards > Paul C > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > it got worse > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > on the motor > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 2007-05-09 3:07 PM > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 17:14:19 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <152418.49462.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Paul, Actually it is the other way around - Caig was orginally and importer of Cramolin products from Germany. Evetually they started their own product line-up of which De-Oxit is one of them. De-oxit is used for switch and potentiometer cleaning, another must-have in the Nak maintainer's toolkit. For the better performance, I use Pro-Gold in all my machines. Caig's has a good product line-up but I found Cramolin's contact cleaner better. Bala Paul Carrington wrote: Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is used for what? Regards Paul Marrs Communications wrote: > Bala, > I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish > I could find some. Fred M. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Paul. >> >> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >> its got rid of a variety of problems. >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Paul Carrington >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >> >> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >> the alcohol >> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >> a Google search >> for Cramoline. >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Paul, >> > >> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: Paul Carrington >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >> > >> > Tom, >> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >> > there were two holes >> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >> > isopropyl >> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >> squirt, >> > the takeup spool >> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >> > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >> > other hole. >> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >> When >> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >> > tape was on >> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >> alcohol >> > through the front >> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >> that >> > (I have not >> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >> > Regards >> > Paul C >> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >> > it got worse >> > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >> > on the motor >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Fri May 11 16:31:32 2007 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <865428.14336.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <240718.62452.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Out of curiosity, do you think the Dragon's auto azimuth adjustment does as good of a job as the manual adjustment on the CR7? Also, out of the Dragon and the CR7, which one do you think is more reliable? Or are they both problematic in their own ways? -Jesse --- shanti ramachandran wrote: > Andy, > > I have had the priviledge of owning all 3. I have > heard all 3 and all of these are worth owning. > > I would rate the zx7/9 series almost equal, except > due to the zx9 s direct drive system, theoretically > rate it better. i hear no difference in these two. > > The zx7/9 IMHO are better recorders than players due > to their manual calibration capabilities.ZX 9 has > lower w/f numbers due to direct drive. > > The CR7 is a different animal altogether. It sounds > more CDish, sharper etc.. and the playback azimuth > fine tune sharpens the worst of recordings made on > any machine on earth. > > In summary, if I were you, I would hunt for a zx9 > and a cr7, for these two should suffice! Both are a > must for ones collection. > > Regards, > > Ram > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least > one of these three Naks: > > CR-7a > ZX-7 > ZX-9 > > I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the > same deck, but there is enough of a difference for > me to consider them two separate and different > machines. > > I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the > "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which > decks should have the idler upgrade and the record > EQ upgrade. > > I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound > quality, reliability, features, and overall > "coolness". > > My questions are: > > What are the opinions about these three decks? > > Which one is best overall, given the things that I > am seeking? > > Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 > AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one > against the other? > > Has anyone had experience with all three of these > decks? > > Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings > and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship > answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 11 16:06:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:06:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad lifters In-Reply-To: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070510163539.0087bb40@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070511090628.00881160@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2789 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 11 16:41:28 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:41:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Cramolin In-Reply-To: <4643C1E6.5090509@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070511094128.00881160@earthlink.net> Paul, Do not use alcohol! It strips the lubricant off. Buy some Caig DeOxit (Cramolin) spray MCM # 200-230 . It will change your life, as well as "keep your motor runnin' " De solder one reel motor wire, and clip on a 9 or 12 vold DC power supply. Sray the DeOxit and run the motor 30 seconds with the external power. Now you are done! www.MCMinone.com tom brucker At 09:07 PM 5/10/07 -0400, Paul Carrington wrote: >Tom, >I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >there were two holes >just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >isopropyl >alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, >the takeup spool >started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >other hole. >It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When >it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >tape was on >the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol >through the front >and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that >(I have not >seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >Regards >Paul C >PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >it got worse >nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >on the motor >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 11 16:21:21 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:21:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <46442AB0.3050105@peromarta.org> References: <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <051120070335.16717.4643E4840008E0610000414D22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070511092121.00882100@earthlink.net> Luis makes a great point about the CR 7 manual azimuth adjustment. As far back as the 600 II Nakamichi has made that adjustment accessable. All that is required is a test tape and 10 seconds. The CR7 eliminates the screwdriver! tom brucker At 10:34 AM 5/11/07 +0200, you wrote: >I own all of them. There's some noticeable differences between the ZX7 >and ZX9, the DD on the ZX9 ir really impresive with W&F below 0,03%. >(ZX7 is higher, around 0,07). > >On the ZX9 the direct coupled amps are also an improvement. I love the >ZX9. The all manual adjustments allows you to calibrate to suit your >needs, and the RH azimuth adj. allows perfectly aligned azimuth no >matter your tape shell, etc. Smooth overall sound with great highs and lows. > >The CR-7 is a great machine, one of the latest greatest naks. Beautiful >facilities and excelent sound. The adjustable PB azimuth is a must if >you own tapes recorded in other decks. > >I'd buy both. ;) > >LP. > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: >> >> CR-7a >> ZX-7 >> ZX-9 >> >> I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. >> >> I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. >> >> I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". >> >> My questions are: >> >> What are the opinions about these three decks? >> >> Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? >> >> Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? >> >> Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? >> >> Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 11 16:56:35 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:56:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> References: <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070511095635.0087d220@earthlink.net> 5% for general use. 100 % with a needle injector for push switches and stubborn controls. Pro Gold is also good stuff for connectors. tom brucker At 09:55 AM 5/11/07 -0400, you wrote: >Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and >it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. >This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is >used for what? >Regards >Paul > >Marrs Communications wrote: >> Bala, >> I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish >> I could find some. Fred M. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Paul. >>> >>> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >>> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >>> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >>> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >>> its got rid of a variety of problems. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Paul Carrington >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >>> >>> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >>> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >>> the alcohol >>> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >>> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >>> a Google search >>> for Cramoline. >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> > Paul, >>> > >>> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >>> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >>> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >>> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >>> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >>> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >>> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >>> > >>> > Bala >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ---- >>> > From: Paul Carrington >>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >>> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >>> > >>> > Tom, >>> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >>> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >>> > there were two holes >>> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >>> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >>> > isopropyl >>> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >>> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >>> squirt, >>> > the takeup spool >>> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >>> > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >>> > other hole. >>> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >>> When >>> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >>> > tape was on >>> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >>> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >>> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >>> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >>> alcohol >>> > through the front >>> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >>> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >>> that >>> > (I have not >>> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >>> > Regards >>> > Paul C >>> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >>> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >>> > it got worse >>> > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >>> > on the motor >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >>> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: >>> 2007-05-09 3:07 PM >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 17:27:36 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <223521.54913.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, I just checked. The best substitute is CaiLube MCL. Its basically a lubricant for pots and similar electrical items. Switch off your deck, squirt some on. Switch the deck back on after about 15 seconds and hit rewind or forward. It will help to break up dirt and other barriers built up. Switch the deck off and squirt another blast in. Turn the deck back on and run more. Two rounds is what Caig recommended on the can, and it has done well for me. Don't ever ever squirt liquids into your motors when it is conducting current because there is always the possibility of arcing and damaging the motor. Bala Paul Carrington wrote: Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is used for what? Regards Paul Marrs Communications wrote: > Bala, > I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish > I could find some. Fred M. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Paul. >> >> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >> its got rid of a variety of problems. >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Paul Carrington >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >> >> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >> the alcohol >> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >> a Google search >> for Cramoline. >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Paul, >> > >> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: Paul Carrington >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >> > >> > Tom, >> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >> > there were two holes >> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >> > isopropyl >> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >> squirt, >> > the takeup spool >> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >> > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >> > other hole. >> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >> When >> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >> > tape was on >> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >> alcohol >> > through the front >> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >> that >> > (I have not >> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >> > Regards >> > Paul C >> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >> > it got worse >> > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >> > on the motor >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! 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URL: From bg56322 at yahoo.com Fri May 11 18:18:51 2007 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: <215848.96172.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy, I have CR-7a and ZX-9 and would like to add to what has been already said. ZX-9 was made to compete with the best analog sources out there, RTR and turntables. It was built solidly and commands instant respect (think of Bentley) even with people who do not know what it is. The sound is true Nakamichi, warm and perhaps colored in a pleasing way. CR-7 was made to compete with CD and to make tapes "sound indistinguishable from CD". If we remember how Cds sounded in `1987, it is not exactly a compliment. However, it does record wonderfully from vinyl. Design is well-thought out, with all features being logically laid out (i.e. can be easily figured out even without the user manual). However, the build leaves much to be desired. I prefer to use it with remote control so I do not have to touch flimsy controls. Think of an Italian sport car. CR-7 reproduces the lowest bass I have heard from any cassette deck. Really a wow factor first time with well known recording. I second the suggestion to buy both. I would buy ZX-9 first, because the supply is drying up. CR-7s are much more available. Also, there is a fourth deck to consider - CR-5, baby brother of CR-7. Heavilly stripped down, but very nice machine on its own. Often sells for less than $200. IMHO, a true bargain,having in mind that it was extremelly expensive deck. I've bough one to save mileage on my CR-7. Perhaps winning strategy is buying CR-5 now when it is cheap, then searching for ZX-9 (couple of months) and finally getting CR-7 when the price is right. Once you have both ZX-9 and CR-7 you can make your final decision. 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RS stock it - here is a link to the description. http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?obs=sObs&name=SiteStandard&No=0&N=0&Ntk=I18NAll&Ntt=eml200f&Nty=1&D=eml200f&Ntx=mode%20matchpartial&Dx=mode%20matchpartial&callingPage=/jsp/homePage/homePage.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@1852456007.1178898601@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccddaddklghgdjicefeceeldgondhgj.0&cacheID=ukie&Nr=avl:uk Tony Hi Tech Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 11/05/2007 15:41 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc Subject Re: [naktalk] BX300 Cramolin Paul, Do not use alcohol! It strips the lubricant off. Buy some Caig DeOxit (Cramolin) spray MCM # 200-230 . It will change your life, as well as "keep your motor runnin' " De solder one reel motor wire, and clip on a 9 or 12 vold DC power supply. Sray the DeOxit and run the motor 30 seconds with the external power. Now you are done! www.MCMinone.com tom brucker At 09:07 PM 5/10/07 -0400, Paul Carrington wrote: >Tom, >I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >there were two holes >just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >isopropyl >alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, >the takeup spool >started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >other hole. >It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When >it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >tape was on >the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol >through the front >and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that >(I have not >seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >Regards >Paul C >PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and >it got worse >nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >on the motor >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 11 19:28:54 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:28:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> References: <804795.17801.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46445D3C.8050500@marrscommunications.com> <464475E9.8020603@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <4644A7D6.2070607@rcn.com> Both Cramoline and Deoxit (not sure of the relationship between the two) are contact cleaners/conditioners. I wouldn't spray either indiscriminately into a motor. However, after cleaning the commutator, I do put a drop of a 'contact cleaner with lubricant' *directly* on the commutator segments -- and no place else. -- Ron Paul Carrington wrote: > Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and > it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. > This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is > used for what? > Regards > Paul > > Marrs Communications wrote: >> Bala, >> I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish >> I could find some. Fred M. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Paul. >>> >>> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >>> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >>> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >>> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >>> its got rid of a variety of problems. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Paul Carrington >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >>> >>> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >>> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >>> the alcohol >>> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >>> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >>> a Google search >>> for Cramoline. >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> > Paul, >>> > >>> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >>> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >>> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >>> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >>> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >>> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >>> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >>> > >>> > Bala >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ---- >>> > From: Paul Carrington >>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >>> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >>> > >>> > Tom, >>> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >>> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >>> > there were two holes >>> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >>> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 >>> ml of >>> > isopropyl >>> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >>> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >>> squirt, >>> > the takeup spool >>> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a >>> rotation). > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more >>> alcohol through the >>> > other hole. >>> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >>> When >>> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half >>> the >>> > tape was on >>> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >>> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >>> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >>> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >>> alcohol >>> > through the front >>> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >>> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >>> that >>> > (I have not >>> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >>> > Regards >>> > Paul C >>> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >>> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre >>> and >>> > it got worse >>> > nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load >>> > on the motor >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >>> > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. >>> > >>> >>> From willyherm at gmail.com Fri May 11 19:22:24 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:22:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: <8C961DBBE11D075-1278-6956@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have a service manual for the MR-2 Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri May 11 19:22:23 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:22:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Information About The Nakamichi TA-4A In-Reply-To: <051020071331.13005.46431ECA000D1A6C000032CD22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Unit retailed (and sold) for $1,000 in '88-'91 It's rated at 100 watts/ch. I have a service manual for the unit, but not the owners manual. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Information About The Nakamichi TA-4A I recently won the bidding on a Nakamichi STASIS Receiver, model TA-4A. I am eagerly awaiting this nice receiver, but I need some assistance. Any help would be much appreciated! I can't find ANY information about this receiver anywhere. I would like to know more about it: technical specifications list price when new where I can download owner's manuals and service manuals, etc. Can anyone help? THANKS IN ADVANCE.... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 11 18:50:05 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:50:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/2007 12:32:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 There are a few other considerations that no one has mentioned. The first 8000 or so CR-7's manufactured had defective recording EQ. Scott Johnson gives the actual serial number on his Geocities site where this defect stopped, as I remember. The first 12,000 had the rubber idler tire - and a lot of these seem to be showing up on eBay with problems. When they introduced the CR-3, they started making the CR-7 with the gear idler. I own a ZX-7, which I bought used several years ago from a local audiophile off Craigslist, and sent to ESL for a complete rebuild. When I bought it, the fellow who sold it to me told me that he had also owned a CR-7, but got rid of it when he did head-to-head tests of it against the ZX-7. He said the ZX-7 actually sounded much better (Tom's gold standard.) This surprised me, and I thought about it for a long time. I finally decided that he must have had one of the early defective models. Personally, the best-sounding Nak I own is the 680, and I compare all the others to that model. I can't afford $2k for a ZXL which will probably need work and bring the total up to used car money, and I love the 680. When I got my ZX-7 back from ESL, I compared it to the 680, and was very happy with the result. Whatever ESL did to it really brought it up to the sound of the 680. I also compared the restored ZX-7 to my Dragon and was very favorably impressed. The sound is not the same, however. I think the words "colored" and "transparent" are very suitable for discussing the relative tone of the classic decks and the direct-drive 3 head decks, and I don't think it has a lot to do with the transport, but has more to do with the pre-amps which were re-designed with the Dragon and BX-300. I believe, though others know more about this than I do, that the ZX-9 had the final and best version of the pre-amp used in the classic transport decks. You can get a good idea about what Nakamichi itself thought of the ZX-9 from the fact that they made their test tapes on it. BTW, I'm the advocate of the theory that the BX-300 is 97.063% as good as a Dragon or CR-7 at a tiny fraction of the cost, and has the only pitch control on the direct drive decks, which is very valuable (to me at least). I got a BX-300 last year off eBay for $51 plus shipping which needed only an idler tire and a tape tension belt. Can't beat that - or at least, I'd like to hear the stories of others who have beaten it! The classic transport decks have a "colored" sound. The Dragon and the Sankyo transport 3 head direct drive decks have a "transparent" sound. Anyone old enough to remember arguments over which cartridge is best for a turntable will be familiar with these concepts. I think it also reflects the standard with which the engineering team who designed the pre-amp approached the project. Clearly, the classic transport decks were designed to have a frequency response that was similar to the Koetsu cartridge or other "colored" cartridges, which were reputed by customers back in the day (like myself) who thought it actually "improved" the tone of a recording. Those were the gold standard around 1980 in audiophile circles. With the direct-drive decks after the ZX-9, Nakamichi just went for test results in frequency response, and did very well with that approach, but got a noticeably different result. I don't think one is better than the other, just different, and both got great results in their own way. Anyway, beware of buying an early CR-7, because it's going to need work to correct the EQ, and change the idler tire. Don't assume that you have to have the idler tire changed to the gear type, you can get used to changing the tire yourself. It took me 45 minutes the first time I did it, and now it takes 10 minutes max. Tom claims the gear idler causes very high frequency flutter which he detected with his T-100. That's a very interesting fact which I haven't actually been able to hear, but it could affect the frequency response in subtle ways. all the best Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 11 19:40:56 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:40:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Information About The Nakamichi TA-4A Message-ID: The owners manual for the TA-4 is a combined manual for the TA-2-3-4. They lumped them all together. You might find it listed under one of the other models in PDF somewhere. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri May 11 19:44:55 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070511092121.00882100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <396495.3852.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My "cassette deck 1" has a manual azimuth adjustment on the front. The other day I got out a tape that I recorded on an old Sony that I had when I was 18 years old (1970's). The tape sounded terrible on all Naks except the cassette deck 1 which I had to adjust the azimuth. It sounded extremely good for what it was recorded on and with a Sony type 1 and dolby B. That is the only Nak I have with a manual azimuth adjustment (that doesn't need a screwdriver) Very handy. Right now I would like to get another CD1. Andy, I may have a ZX7 to get rid of but I won't know for sure for a couple weeks. If so I'll let you know. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Luis makes a great point about the CR 7 manual azimuth adjustment. As far back as the 600 II Nakamichi has made that adjustment accessable. All that is required is a test tape and 10 seconds. The CR7 eliminates the screwdriver! tom brucker At 10:34 AM 5/11/07 +0200, you wrote: >I own all of them. There's some noticeable differences between the ZX7 >and ZX9, the DD on the ZX9 ir really impresive with W&F below 0,03%. >(ZX7 is higher, around 0,07). > >On the ZX9 the direct coupled amps are also an improvement. I love the >ZX9. The all manual adjustments allows you to calibrate to suit your >needs, and the RH azimuth adj. allows perfectly aligned azimuth no >matter your tape shell, etc. Smooth overall sound with great highs and lows. > >The CR-7 is a great machine, one of the latest greatest naks. Beautiful >facilities and excelent sound. The adjustable PB azimuth is a must if >you own tapes recorded in other decks. > >I'd buy both. ;) > >LP. > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: >> >> CR-7a >> ZX-7 >> ZX-9 >> >> I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. >> >> I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. >> >> I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". >> >> My questions are: >> >> What are the opinions about these three decks? >> >> Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? >> >> Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? >> >> Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? >> >> Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri May 11 19:47:12 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 In-Reply-To: <152418.49462.qm@web39611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70481.23661.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala, Is the deoxit the same as Radio Shack's "tuner spray"? Bob Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Paul, Actually it is the other way around - Caig was orginally and importer of Cramolin products from Germany. Evetually they started their own product line-up of which De-Oxit is one of them. De-oxit is used for switch and potentiometer cleaning, another must-have in the Nak maintainer's toolkit. For the better performance, I use Pro-Gold in all my machines. Caig's has a good product line-up but I found Cramolin's contact cleaner better. Bala Paul Carrington wrote: Cramoline is apparently a product of Caig Laboratories of California and it may have been replaced by Deoxit which is made by the same company. This comes in 100% and 5% solutions - Can anyone advise on which is used for what? Regards Paul Marrs Communications wrote: > Bala, > I thought Cramoline got banned because of the ozone stuff? Sure wish > I could find some. Fred M. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Paul. >> >> Alcohol tends to dry up lubricants and reacts with some >> self-lubricating plastics and bushings. The best agent here is >> lubricating and insulating silicone oil like that from Cramolin. I >> have been using this spray to service all my Naks for 4 years now and >> its got rid of a variety of problems. >> >> Bala >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Paul Carrington >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:29:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 >> >> Thanks Bala. I have never heard of Cramolin spray and doubt that I will >> find any in Barbados! I was wondering if I could add some lubricant to >> the alcohol >> meanwhile.....I obviously have to do more cleaning as it will not play a >> complete tape - it will stop when it is about 80% played..... I will do >> a Google search >> for Cramoline. >> Regards >> Paul >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> > Paul, >> > >> > IPA is not good for the innards of a motor because it will >> > tend to react with the smooth rolling surfaces of the motor and dry up >> > the innards. There is very little lubrication inside the Sankyo motor. >> > What you have to give it is something like Cramolin which aids >> > electrical conductivity while lubricating moving surfaces. WD-40 >> > doesn't really count either. I have Cramolin spray which kept my CR-7 >> > cam motor going until I got it replaced with a brand new one. >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: Paul Carrington >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:07:50 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] BX300 >> > >> > Tom, >> > I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked >> > difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed >> > there were two holes >> > just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the >> > motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of >> > isopropyl >> > alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and >> > with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial >> squirt, >> > the takeup spool >> > started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). >> > However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the >> > other hole. >> > It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. >> When >> > it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the >> > tape was on >> > the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape >> > was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. >> > I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure >> > that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt >> alcohol >> > through the front >> > and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC >> > contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of >> that >> > (I have not >> > seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) >> > Regards >> > Paul C >> > PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received >> > it and it would stall after a few minutes. 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Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri May 11 20:01:14 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <396495.3852.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <624239.22271.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DR-1 has the manual azimuth adjustment control as well. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: My "cassette deck 1" has a manual azimuth adjustment on the front. The other day I got out a tape that I recorded on an old Sony that I had when I was 18 years old (1970's). The tape sounded terrible on all Naks except the cassette deck 1 which I had to adjust the azimuth. It sounded extremely good for what it was recorded on and with a Sony type 1 and dolby B. That is the only Nak I have with a manual azimuth adjustment (that doesn't need a screwdriver) Very handy. Right now I would like to get another CD1. Andy, I may have a ZX7 to get rid of but I won't know for sure for a couple weeks. If so I'll let you know. Bob Hi Tech wrote: Luis makes a great point about the CR 7 manual azimuth adjustment. As far back as the 600 II Nakamichi has made that adjustment accessable. All that is required is a test tape and 10 seconds. The CR7 eliminates the screwdriver! tom brucker At 10:34 AM 5/11/07 +0200, you wrote: >I own all of them. There's some noticeable differences between the ZX7 >and ZX9, the DD on the ZX9 ir really impresive with W&F below 0,03%. >(ZX7 is higher, around 0,07). > >On the ZX9 the direct coupled amps are also an improvement. I love the >ZX9. The all manual adjustments allows you to calibrate to suit your >needs, and the RH azimuth adj. allows perfectly aligned azimuth no >matter your tape shell, etc. Smooth overall sound with great highs and lows. > >The CR-7 is a great machine, one of the latest greatest naks. Beautiful >facilities and excelent sound. The adjustable PB azimuth is a must if >you own tapes recorded in other decks. > >I'd buy both. ;) > >LP. > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: >> >> CR-7a >> ZX-7 >> ZX-9 >> >> I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. >> >> I also know about the fact that the CR-7a has the "non-classic" Sankyo transport, and I know which decks should have the idler upgrade and the record EQ upgrade. >> >> I am seeking the best of these three decks in sound quality, reliability, features, and overall "coolness". >> >> My questions are: >> >> What are the opinions about these three decks? >> >> Which one is best overall, given the things that I am seeking? >> >> Has anyone had enough experience with both the ZX-7 AND the ZX-9 to make a judgement about either one against the other? >> >> Has anyone had experience with all three of these decks? >> >> Any opinions / information / judgements / rantings and ravings will be very much appreciated! Thanks! >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 11 20:03:38 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Cramolin Message-ID: > Do not use alcohol! It strips the lubricant off. Buy some Caig DeOxit > (Cramolin) spray MCM # 200-230 . It will change your life, as well as "keep > your motor runnin' " > De solder one reel motor wire, and clip on a 9 or 12 vold DC power supply. > Sray the DeOxit and run the motor 30 seconds with the external power. Now > you are done! > www.MCMinone.com > You can get it directly from Caig, too (http://www.caig.com). They also make a "moving contact lubricant" ostensibly meant for pots and such, that might be appropriate if the lubricant's gone (but I haven't tried).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri May 11 20:24:55 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:24:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: References: <8C961DBBE11D075-1278-6956@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Please, upload it to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual I have a service manual for the MR-2 Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 11 20:53:39 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:53:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: References: <8C961DBBE11D075-1278-6956@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070511135339.00885a90@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2630 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri May 11 21:40:11 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:40:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070511135339.00885a90@earthlink.net> References: <8C961DBBE11D075-1278-6956@webmail-da10.sysops.aol.com> <3.0.3.32.20070511135339.00885a90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sounds Very Good. No, I don't have a top 10, because I don't know whats missing. But I gues, that if You people that has the ultimate knowledge of Nak, could do a list and post it, when it's complete we'l post it on ebaman forum, and then we can start to tick them of, at the same time, I guess that some of the manuals allready there is of bad qyality an/or missing pages, then we re-scan them. I can do some scans as well, however, its a Canon Pixma 850, with ADF, but its only A4. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: Hi Tech [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:54 PM To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Thomas, I will send MR2 manuals to KBY for scanning. Do you have a top 10 list of needed manuals? I just registered on your site so I can see what is missing. If we can get more volunteers to scan we can get every manual uploaded. tom brucker At 08:24 PM 5/11/07 +0200, you wrote: >>>> Please, upload it to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ---------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual I have a service manual for the MR-2 Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL ---------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri May 11 22:29:50 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:29:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, scan it, turn it into PDF I guess that there are loads of nakers out there to help, depending on your geographical location. I am one of those. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: Willy Hermann [mailto:willyherm at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:24 PM To: tomas at tlec.se; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Very difficult to upload paper! Suggestions on how to turn it into a pdf? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Please, upload it to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual I have a service manual for the MR-2 Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suggestions on how to turn it into a pdf? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tomas Larsson Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:25 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Please, upload it to www.ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual I have a service manual for the MR-2 Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling through eBay and his website seems to be infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? Thanks!!! Dan Barham Chicago, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Fri May 11 23:46:15 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:46:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Cramolin In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070511094128.00881160@earthlink.net> References: <4643C1E6.5090509@caribsurf.com> <3.0.3.32.20070511094128.00881160@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1cc47db60705111446x3095f3arfe9775a093ba3a68@mail.gmail.com> paul, same exact outcome as my unit. internal wash provided the same stated results. I broke down the motor, polished it out with 1200 grit, examined it under 10x. looks like new with no brush or other known issues. still the same operational issues. I have noticed a very jerky erratic drive output at the motor/idler/hub contact, as seen with the eye from above. I still suspect a problem with the motor drive signal circuit. For whatever reason the output at pl/rec speed is substandard. hopefully, I will find the time to fire up the scope this weekend for a closer look. I'll keep you informed. samuel crider On 5/11/07, Hi Tech wrote: > > Paul, > Do not use alcohol! It strips the lubricant off. Buy some Caig DeOxit > (Cramolin) spray MCM # 200-230 . It will change your life, as well as > "keep > your motor runnin' " > De solder one reel motor wire, and clip on a 9 or 12 vold DC power supply. > Sray the DeOxit and run the motor 30 seconds with the external power. Now > you are done! > www.MCMinone.com > > tom brucker > > At 09:07 PM 5/10/07 -0400, Paul Carrington wrote: > >Tom, > >I looked at what was involved in removing the motor but it looked > >difficult. The back of the motor is pretty well sealed but I noticed > >there were two holes > >just below the idler which might give access to the inside of the > >motor. I loaded a 110 min TDK metal tape (MA110) and squirted 10 ml of > >isopropyl > >alcohol in one of the holes, with the deck in a vertical position, and > >with a napkin held to the back of the motor. After that initial squirt, > >the takeup spool > >started to turn (instead of stopping after a fraction of a rotation). > >However it soon stopped, so I squirted some more alcohol through the > >other hole. > >It worked on play until 1/4 of the tape was on the take-up spool. When > >it stalled again, I gave it another squirt and it worked until half the > >tape was on > >the takeup spool. Another squirt and it worked until 90% of the tape > >was on the takeup spool. It sounded great through the earphones. > >I just put in a standard SA90 and it is working okay. I am not sure > >that it is as clean as it needs to be - I can continue to squirt alcohol > >through the front > >and absorb it in the napkin held to the rear of the motor. I have CRC > >contact cleaner which is a better cleaner and could try a squirt of that > >(I have not > >seen anyone mention this product as a recommended cleaner on the naks) > >Regards > >Paul C > >PS This is the first time I have got the unit to play since I received > >it and it would stall after a few minutes. I then changed the tyre and > >it got worse > >nd would not play at all......I suppose the new tyre added to the load > >on the motor > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat May 12 02:56:29 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:56:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Message-ID: I once had a CR7a and a ZX9 at the same time. I can't say one was better than the other, just that I preferred the sound of the ZX9. To my ear it sounded slightly more natural in terms of tonal colours, but that's just me! I also like the way I can manually control bias, eq and azimuth recording settings with the ZX9. I kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7a replacing it with an Arcam 100. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 11 May 2007 04:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat May 12 02:56:34 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:56:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <624239.22271.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Note the manual azi' playback control is only of use for cassettes made on decks that might have had their azimuth different to the playback machine. If you want to bring back to life an old faded cassette it won't help anything like as much as a Pioneer cassette deck with a FLEX circuit, such as the CTS830S. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 11 May 2007 19:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 DR-1 has the manual azimuth adjustment control as well. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: My "cassette deck 1" has a manual azimuth adjustment on the front. The other day I got out a tape that I recorded on an old Sony that I had when I was 18 years old (1970's). The tape sounded terrible on all Naks except the cassette deck 1 which I had to adjust the azimuth. It sounded extremely good for what it was recorded on and with a Sony type 1 and dolby B. That is the only Nak I have with a manual azimuth adjustment (that doesn't need a screwdriver) Very handy. Right now I would like to get another CD1. Andy, I may have a ZX7 to get rid of but I won't know for sure for a couple weeks. If so I'll let you know. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 12 07:05:14 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Cramolin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19837.54957.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, it used to be called MCL, but the last I heard, they are revamping the names. I use ProGold 5% spray for all my decks pots and switches - they were really good in quieting down the faders on the ZXL. The 95% concentrate goes for all the cables. It really helps to better performance and increase the lifespan of (not worn) pots and faders , but you have to do it at least once a year for all the pots. Bala "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > Do not use alcohol! It strips the lubricant off. Buy some Caig DeOxit > (Cramolin) spray MCM # 200-230 . It will change your life, as well as "keep > your motor runnin' " > De solder one reel motor wire, and clip on a 9 or 12 vold DC power supply. > Sray the DeOxit and run the motor 30 seconds with the external power. Now > you are done! > www.MCMinone.com > You can get it directly from Caig, too (http://www.caig.com). They also make a "moving contact lubricant" ostensibly meant for pots and such, that might be appropriate if the lubricant's gone (but I haven't tried).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 12 03:00:41 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <196510.35187.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, How I agree woth you 100%. The ZX9 just sounds right.....analogue like...not CD like unlike the CR7. The CR7 is a wonderful deck, and is best used IMHO to play prerecorded tapes. The manual azimuth betters the Dragons NAAC some times. However, the Dragon has more depth in its overall sound stage. If I had not heard the 1000ZXL, I would've said, the ZX9 is best overall. Ram Graham Nelson wrote: I once had a CR7a and a ZX9 at the same time. I can't say one was better than the other, just that I preferred the sound of the ZX9. To my ear it sounded slightly more natural in terms of tonal colours, but that's just me! I also like the way I can manually control bias, eq and azimuth recording settings with the ZX9. I kept the ZX9 and sold the CR7a replacing it with an Arcam 100. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 11 May 2007 04:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 Sometime in the next year, I plan to get at least one of these three Naks: CR-7a ZX-7 ZX-9 I know that the ZX-7 and ZX-9 are essentially the same deck, but there is enough of a difference for me to consider them two separate and different machines. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 12 10:51:08 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:51:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46457FFC.4050102@peromarta.org> MR-2 SM is available here: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents rgds, LP. Willy Hermann wrote: > I have a service manual for the MR-2 > > Willy Hermann > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *danbarham at aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2007 5:05 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] MR-2 service manual > > Greetings fellow Nak-o-philes! > > Does anyone out there have a service manual for the MR-2? None > of the usual download sources I know of have anything but the owners > manual. I tried to buy one from vintageaudiomanuals.com (techman777) > but as some of you have probably seen, Mike is no longer selling > through eBay and his website seems to be > infected/hijacked/down/having problems/??? A Google search of his > site came with a warning that "This site may harm your computer" and > wouldn't connect to it and a manual entry of the site address went > to a page that said something like "Welcome to your new website". I > tried to e-mail Mike but have gotten no response yet. Anybody know > anything about this or know where I can obtain the MR-2 service manual? > > Thanks!!! > > Dan Barham > Chicago, IL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at *AOL.com* > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat May 12 12:45:00 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:15:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual References: <200705121000.l4CA0O3p020415@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00b201c79482$9a70c6d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi I had uploaded a MR2 manual which i had scanned into a PDF earlier. It must be available at ebaman.com In case you cannot find it, let me know and i will upload it to my server. Its approx 20mb in size. Best Soumitra From Benstratford at aol.com Sat May 12 12:47:20 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 06:47:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: Hooked up my new toys to the 1000ZXL - Firstly the RM-300 remote - excellent. Then the NR-100 dolby C noise reduction unit - Oh dear!. Right channel non existent during recording!!! On opening up the unit, surprise surprise, Orange caps (12). 33000pF 100V G x 8 1800pF 50V G x 4. Phew, I have enough new ones to replace these. Lets get the soldering iron going. Is this a common issue with this unit? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: 11 May 2007 19:01 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 DR-1 has the manual azimuth adjustment control as well. Mike Bob Naylor wrote: My "cassette deck 1" has a manual azimuth adjustment on the front. The other day I got out a tape that I recorded on an old Sony that I had when I was 18 years old (1970's). The tape sounded terrible on all Naks except the cassette deck 1 which I had to adjust the azimuth. It sounded extremely good for what it was recorded on and with a Sony type 1 and dolby B. That is the only Nak I have with a manual azimuth adjustment (that doesn't need a screwdriver) Very handy. Right now I would like to get another CD1. Andy, I may have a ZX7 to get rid of but I won't know for sure for a couple weeks. If so I'll let you know. Bob ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat May 12 15:42:01 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:42:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual In-Reply-To: <46457FFC.4050102@peromarta.org> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat May 12 19:30:15 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:30:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: <739AA266-4EDE-4BA8-A472-7CFF906EFE58@alumni.caltech.edu> > On opening up the unit, surprise surprise, Orange caps (12). > 33000pF 100V G x 8 > 1800pF 50V G x 4. > Phew, I have enough new ones to replace these. > Lets get the soldering iron going. > Is this a common issue with this unit? > I have 2 and not seen that issue. I also wouldn't be so quick to conclude that's it. More likely is the connector. Make sure you're getting a signal using a meter since you have it open.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 12 19:58:52 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:58:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) In-Reply-To: <739AA266-4EDE-4BA8-A472-7CFF906EFE58@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <739AA266-4EDE-4BA8-A472-7CFF906EFE58@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <4646005C.7000006@xs4all.nl> Hi, Also the switch noise reduction switch on the ZXL can be dirty, turn it some times to see if this helps. If I remember correctly my ZXL had a problem once with a dirty relay inside the ZXL this switch drives... Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > On opening up the unit, surprise surprise, Orange caps (12). > > 33000pF 100V G x 8 > > 1800pF 50V G x 4. > > Phew, I have enough new ones to replace these. > > Lets get the soldering iron going. > > Is this a common issue with this unit? > > > > I have 2 and not seen that issue. I also wouldn't be so quick to > conclude that's it. > More likely is the connector. Make sure you're getting a signal using > a meter since > you have it open.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 12 20:49:09 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) In-Reply-To: <4646005C.7000006@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <472839.21498.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, Yes, the Omron miniature relay is not sealed. I had to put some Pro-Gold spray to cure some noise problems with this relay which is nestled between the playback amp and rec amp boards. Otherwise, its simply better to change the relay. Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi, Also the switch noise reduction switch on the ZXL can be dirty, turn it some times to see if this helps. If I remember correctly my ZXL had a problem once with a dirty relay inside the ZXL this switch drives... Wouter Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > On opening up the unit, surprise surprise, Orange caps (12). > > 33000pF 100V G x 8 > > 1800pF 50V G x 4. > > Phew, I have enough new ones to replace these. > > Lets get the soldering iron going. > > Is this a common issue with this unit? > > > > I have 2 and not seen that issue. I also wouldn't be so quick to > conclude that's it. > More likely is the connector. Make sure you're getting a signal using > a meter since > you have it open.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sat May 12 21:35:09 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:35:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: Thanks all for the tips, The caps are ready to install BUT (Ron) before that it could be the first outing for the signal tracer to see what is happening now that I have the probe for it. I will be practicing on my spare cd player before I let it loose on the beast. I will have a good look at the relays Bala as I know you have replaced these and also the switch will have a good clean. First though to trace the signal while recording and measure some voltages. Anyway guys, What do you think of the dolby C unit? Best regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Sat May 12 22:21:17 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:21:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise In-Reply-To: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi. This is a little off the topic, but I see that you have a lot of knowledge about Nakamichi Cassette Decks. I own a Nak 480Z, and it was working fine until the other day. When I try to play a tape, or record on one, I now get an extremely high-pitched squeeling through the tape outs, into my preamp, and also at the headphone jack on the deck itself, which renders it useless. Other-wise all other functions are fine. Any idea what might be causing this? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike >From: shanti ramachandran >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad >lifters >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. There is >no pad lifter. The service manual is >vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on a >base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge set. >One could certainly be added as an experiment. > >Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon >head...electrically it is! > > >tom brucker > > >At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: > > >>>> > >does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have >pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly >..gurus ...let me know....... > > > > >---------- > >TV dinner still cooling? > >"Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! >TV.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ><<<<<<<< > > > > >Tom Brucker CSM > >Hi Tech Service > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > >Nashville, TN 37211 > >615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You�ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun May 13 07:31:10 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <65230.72766.qm@web39610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The easiest way to test the relay, in fact the EXT loop, is to put a pair of interconnects between the input and output jacks of the EXT playback jacks, and switch to EXT NR during playback. It should be clean, with no thumps or 'hicking' sound when the relay kicks and out. You can do the same for the record loop. Once those are eliminated, along with the rest of the path on the ZXL itself, you can take a look at the NR unit. Spraying helps, but the best is to replace them with new relays. Bala Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Thanks all for the tips, The caps are ready to install BUT (Ron) before that it could be the first outing for the signal tracer to see what is happening now that I have the probe for it. I will be practicing on my spare cd player before I let it loose on the beast. I will have a good look at the relays Bala as I know you have replaced these and also the switch will have a good clean. First though to trace the signal while recording and measure some voltages. Anyway guys, What do you think of the dolby C unit? Best regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Sun May 13 09:37:05 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 03:37:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: Thanks Bala, Both Ext loops checked out ok. I can hear the relay kicking in with no change to the levels at all when connected with straight interconnect. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun May 13 14:07:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:07:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 480 Series - Pressure Pad Lifter On ALL Models? Message-ID: <051320071207.535.4646FF68000DB1E10000021722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was looking at the 480 models on Naks.com, and according to the descriptions, ALL 480 series decks have a pressure pad lifter, both 2-head and 3-head models. I had assumed only 3-head Naks had a pressure pad lifter. Is this true? Learn something new every day..... *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 13 14:49:37 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:49:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 Series - Pressure Pad Lifter On ALL Models? In-Reply-To: <051320071207.535.4646FF68000DB1E10000021722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <051320071207.535.4646FF68000DB1E10000021722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46470961.90308@rcn.com> It's better to assume that all dual capstan decks have a pressure pad lifter, regardless of number of heads. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I was looking at the 480 models on Naks.com, and according to the descriptions, ALL 480 series decks have a pressure pad lifter, both 2-head and 3-head models. > > I had assumed only 3-head Naks had a pressure pad lifter. > > Is this true? > > Learn something new every day..... > > > *andy* > From danbarham at aol.com Sun May 13 20:35:43 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:35:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 service manual update Message-ID: <8C963A4A60DA9B8-180C-16504@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Willy, Soumi and Luis! I got the sm downloaded from the Naks documents site, thanks again Luis! Also, I got a reply back from Mike at vintageaudiomanuals, he is having webhosting service problems but he can be reached by e-mail at: mike at vintageaudiomanuals.com. I don't have any stake in his business but I've bought several manuals from him and have been very happy with the quality of his reproductions. Of course a free download is nice but when you want a full size schematic to look at or you can't find a download anywhere, Mike is the go to guy. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun May 13 21:08:42 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:08:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: <6E921DB7-748C-47BD-8C86-7B28161980C3@alumni.caltech.edu> > Ok, Using the signal tracer I have narrowed down the area to a > section of > the Main PCB for the decoder for the right channel that possibly > has a defective > part. The PCB has many more holes / parts I.D's than components > fitted and > hence there are lots of gaps which isn't east to follow. > Would anyone know of a schematic diagram for this unit? > The PCB I.D. is "MAIN PCB" Part No. B-7968. > Best Regards, Ben. Sorry, don't have one for this. However it's pretty modular, with the modules sort of listed on the cover. You can compare values between the right and left channels if the left seems OK. However, the above should affect all playback through the unit, not just recording, as stated in your original post on this. Also, if it is only the decoder, you should conversely be able to hear something recorded on the tape if you encoded it with this unit, but then played it back without going through this unit (Dolby-B or no NR on this deck or anything on another deck). Of course, if you don't play it back through a Dolby-C unit it will not sound quite right, but should just have extra high frequencies, depending on the level and frequency content.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please update your bookmarks, as "Everything Nakamichi @ PEROMARTA.ORG" is now located here: http://peromarta.org/naks/ Thanks for looking, and best rgds, LP. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon May 14 03:27:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:27:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 With RM-200 Remote (How Did I Do?) Message-ID: <051420070127.9812.4647BAFD0007995E0000265422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello All: I just won this auction on eBay. How did I do, pricewise? I'm satisfied... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160113810850&rd=1&rd=1 From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon May 14 06:07:26 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 With RM-200 Remote (How Did I Do?) In-Reply-To: <051420070127.9812.4647BAFD0007995E0000265422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <958227.93261.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's within $20 of what I paid for one of mine. The other one was $300. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hello All: I just won this auction on eBay. How did I do, pricewise? I'm satisfied... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160113810850&rd=1&rd=1 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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WOW!!! *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Mon May 14 14:42:55 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 05:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <00b301c79607$52e67180$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <839844.57619.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> or a 660/670ZX as well. Martin & Karen Short wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } CR-7 reproduces the lowest bass I have heard from any cassette deck. Bob,.. suggest you then try a 680ZX.. :o) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon May 14 15:08:11 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: <051420071221.27535.4648545E0005CC8B00006B8F22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <906358.10808.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for up to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance amount should easy be at least $2000 like others. Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Just 4 hours left in the auction, and the 100ZXL is up to $3,150!!!!!!! Who says cassettes are dead??? WOW!!! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 15:24:56 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 With RM-200 Remote (How Did I Do?) In-Reply-To: <051420070127.9812.4647BAFD0007995E0000265422165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <842691.64785.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You did reasonably well if the deck functions as described and everything works. Regards Ram hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hello All: I just won this auction on eBay. How did I do, pricewise? I'm satisfied... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160113810850&rd=1&rd=1 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob,.. suggest you then try a 680ZX.. :o) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 14 16:40:49 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:40:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mabuchi Motor Source Message-ID: <464874F1.7090101@marrscommunications.com> Hello everyone, Just curious, do we have a good source for NEW Mabuchi motors? FRED M. From fhb1965 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 16:42:25 2007 From: fhb1965 at yahoo.com (Farhad Boatwala) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <200904.28698.qm@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <841088.85345.qm@web53502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I agree there is no comparison to the 1000ZXL. Can you advise reliable nakamichi spare parts dealers ? I am looking for LX 3 head. Regrds / Farhad shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, IMHO please try a 10000ZXL. It will redefine BASS! Ram Martin & Karen Short wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } CR-7 reproduces the lowest bass I have heard from any cassette deck. Bob,.. suggest you then try a 680ZX.. :o) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 18:13:17 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7a vs. ZX-7 vs. ZX-9 In-Reply-To: <841088.85345.qm@web53502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <841320.63203.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Farhad, Welcome to Naktalk. I honestly have no clue but you might try and email Jeff Galin at nakamichi.us and he may have Nak parts. Or ask Tom Brucker of Hi Tech audio. Good luck and enjoy your Naks. Ram Farhad Boatwala wrote: Hi, I agree there is no comparison to the 1000ZXL. Can you advise reliable nakamichi spare parts dealers ? I am looking for LX 3 head. Regrds / Farhad shanti ramachandran wrote: Hi, IMHO please try a 10000ZXL. It will redefine BASS! Ram Martin & Karen Short wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } CR-7 reproduces the lowest bass I have heard from any cassette deck. Bob,.. suggest you then try a 680ZX.. :o) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon May 14 20:36:43 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:36:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! Message-ID: > The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for > up to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance > amount should easy be at least $2000 like others. > > Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not > unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! > Well, I'm sure everyone noticed it went for $6K+. $6K was it's new price, not bad if it's as described. Shipping from Europe will be a challenge...The thing about it I thought was interesting was it had all the accessories in good shape--like the cover. The NR-100 and RM-300 can be had albeit not easily; things like the drop cloth and the cover are hard to come by--there was a case & cover recently that fetched multiple hundreds, I think, and the cover was cracked. One thing that makes those albeit cosmetic items hard to get is they're specific to the "Limited" deck. I hope the final buyer actually uses the deck and isn't using it for just a show piece like the buyer I got mine from (so that someone stole a knob at a party...). I know there was concern this was a fraud, and it might be; the Europe shipping thing didn't bother me so much on that particular issue although it is unusual. The private bidder thing is also a little odd. The pictures, however, were not, as far as I recall, cobbled from any recent auctions, like most of the fraud things.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 19:56:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:56:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise In-Reply-To: References: <770536.93869.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070514125614.00881de0@earthlink.net> Michael. The long record play switch has oxidized. Tho clean it, remove the bottom cover. Spray DeOxit in one end of the 4" long silver switch. Use your finger to move the switch mechanism 20 times. Tilt the deck so the cleaner runs the length of the switch. You may have to repeat the process, spraying in the opposite end. The actual switch contacts are in a slot close to the pcb. tom brucker At 03:21 PM 5/12/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi. This is a little off the topic, but I see that you have a lot of >knowledge about Nakamichi Cassette Decks. I own a Nak 480Z, and it was >working fine until the other day. When I try to play a tape, or record on >one, I now get an extremely high-pitched squeeling through the tape outs, >into my preamp, and also at the headphone jack on the deck itself, which >renders it useless. Other-wise all other functions are fine. Any idea what >might be causing this? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike > > >>From: shanti ramachandran >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad >>lifters >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >>Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. There is >>no pad lifter. The service manual is >>vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on a >>base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge set. >>One could certainly be added as an experiment. >> >>Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon >>head...electrically it is! >> >> >>tom brucker >> >> >>At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >>does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have >>pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly >>..gurus ...let me know....... >> >> >> >> >>---------- >> >>TV dinner still cooling? >> >>>"Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! >>TV.========---------------------------------------------------------====== === >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >><<<<<<<< >> >> >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >> >>Hi Tech Service >> >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >> >>Nashville, TN 37211 >> >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You�ll love Windows Live >Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati on_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 14 20:27:29 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:27:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:LX3 head sources In-Reply-To: <992786.52252.qm@web53504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <839844.57619.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070514132729.00881d10@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon May 14 21:02:17 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:02:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NR-100 (ZXL Dolby C Unit) Message-ID: Thanks Kimo, Indeed, It should be quite straight forward, There are not that many parts at all. Will have another play soon and try to just record and then play back etc to see what is revealed. Some good suggestions that I should have thought of! Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon May 14 21:09:39 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:09:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4648B3F3.80508@otenet.gr> I followed the auction till it went up to 2000 USD, then quit because when i asked for the SN of the unit (i could not see it since the picture was not as big and bright as it should), i never got a clear answer from the guy who responded the questions for the item.....In any case he was polite enough to give me a quote for shipping to Athens Greece (Europe) even if it was not stated on the shipping instructions of the auction... Never the less no way i could afford to pay that cash......but all good things have their price!!!!!!!! I hope the guy who grubbed it will use it and will not keep it in the "glass jar"!!!!!!!!!! Manos Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for up >> to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance amount >> should easy be at least $2000 like others. >> >> Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not >> unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! >> > > > Well, I'm sure everyone noticed it went for $6K+. $6K was it's new > price, not bad if it's as described. Shipping from Europe will be > a challenge...The thing about it I thought was interesting was it had > all the accessories in good shape--like the cover. The NR-100 > and RM-300 can be had albeit not easily; things like the drop cloth > and the cover are hard to come by--there was a case & cover > recently that fetched multiple hundreds, I think, and the cover was > cracked. One thing that makes those albeit cosmetic items hard to get > is they're specific to the "Limited" deck. > > I hope the final buyer actually uses the deck and isn't using it for > just a show piece like the buyer I got mine from (so that > someone stole a knob at a party...). > > I know there was concern this was a fraud, and it might be; the Europe > shipping thing didn't bother me so much on that particular issue > although it is unusual. The private bidder thing is also a little odd. > The pictures, however, were not, as far as I recall, cobbled from > any recent auctions, like most of the fraud things.-kby > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon May 14 21:24:12 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:24:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 References: <463CAC67.2090908@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <145d01c7965d$742b05d0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Paul- As Jeff W & others have already said it does sound like a failing reel motor. My CR-3 was failing in the same way but with advice from the group re careful use of minute sprays of Caig Deoxit 'D5 cleaner type] through the two very small rear slots in the motor plus 'working it ', it is now functional again. Also had to treat & 'work' the VR601 adjuster [motor voltage control] at the same time. Apparently the motor issue is a known one [it develops bad spots due to lack of use] & deoxit helps to lube & restore electrical contact leaving behind a protective residue. This can then be [further] enhanced by a treatment of the 'gold' type of the same product [alias progold]. For the outlay of [UK] approx £15 to buy a 150ml spray it is not much of a gamble with the alternative being to source a motor from an old working [similar] deck bought for spares. Definitely worth a go at the price & very satisfying if/when successful Dave B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Carrington" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX300 > My apologies - the belt works okay - it was fowling underneath and I did > not see it until I removed the bottom .... > So I am back to the original problem, it FF and REW ok, it will run > faultlessly on PLAY if there is no cassette in the well. But with a > cassette, on PLAY, > ithe take-up spool will only give a small fraction of a turn before > stopping.... > Regards > Paul C > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: > 269.6.5/791 - Release Date: 06/05/2007 09:07 > > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon May 14 21:28:45 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:28:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! Message-ID: <3EDBF442-3E3A-4E1F-8470-79370D73A609@alumni.caltech.edu> > The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for > up to $200. I did find this a bit weird; of all the somewhat odd issues with this deck, this is was the only one that really seemed funny to me. I was thinking it was a default of some sort, but I see a lot of auctions covered for $2000 on items worth at most a few hundred $$$. I don't sell on e-bay; can someone who does enlighten me [us] as to how this insurance limit is determined, or maybe give a rough idea of how much more it would have cost to have $2000 vs. $200? Granted the deck went for more than that but $200 did seem pretty ridiculous.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 21:51:57 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3928.61165.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes folks I placed a bid for $6012 but was outbid! The pursuit therefore, continues! Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for up to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance amount should easy be at least $2000 like others. Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! Well, I'm sure everyone noticed it went for $6K+. $6K was it's new price, not bad if it's as described. Shipping from Europe will be a challenge...The thing about it I thought was interesting was it had all the accessories in good shape--like the cover. The NR-100 and RM-300 can be had albeit not easily; things like the drop cloth and the cover are hard to come by--there was a case & cover recently that fetched multiple hundreds, I think, and the cover was cracked. One thing that makes those albeit cosmetic items hard to get is they're specific to the "Limited" deck. I hope the final buyer actually uses the deck and isn't using it for just a show piece like the buyer I got mine from (so that someone stole a knob at a party...). I know there was concern this was a fraud, and it might be; the Europe shipping thing didn't bother me so much on that particular issue although it is unusual. The private bidder thing is also a little odd. The pictures, however, were not, as far as I recall, cobbled from any recent auctions, like most of the fraud things.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 21:53:39 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: <3EDBF442-3E3A-4E1F-8470-79370D73A609@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <485643.41699.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kimo, The paypal coverage is based on the sellers sales records. If you noticed, this ZXL limited seller had only 2 sales(or purchases ) to his name. Therefore coverage was limited to $200 Thanks Ram "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for up to $200. I did find this a bit weird; of all the somewhat odd issues with this deck, this is was the only one that really seemed funny to me. I was thinking it was a default of some sort, but I see a lot of auctions covered for $2000 on items worth at most a few hundred $$$. I don't sell on e-bay; can someone who does enlighten me [us] as to how this insurance limit is determined, or maybe give a rough idea of how much more it would have cost to have $2000 vs. $200? Granted the deck went for more than that but $200 did seem pretty ridiculous.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 14 21:55:55 2007 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: <4648B3F3.80508@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <140892.57815.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Manos, I am still hurting from losing the bid for $6012. Thought I had it bagged there for 10 odd minutes. That limited is worth every penny! Yes the seller was a little ambiguous about payment for the item. May be in hind sight I was lucky I didnt win after all! Regards, Ram Emmanuel Komninos wrote: I followed the auction till it went up to 2000 USD, then quit because when i asked for the SN of the unit (i could not see it since the picture was not as big and bright as it should), i never got a clear answer from the guy who responded the questions for the item.....In any case he was polite enough to give me a quote for shipping to Athens Greece (Europe) even if it was not stated on the shipping instructions of the auction... Never the less no way i could afford to pay that cash......but all good things have their price!!!!!!!! I hope the guy who grubbed it will use it and will not keep it in the "glass jar"!!!!!!!!!! Manos Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good for up >> to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance amount >> should easy be at least $2000 like others. >> >> Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not >> unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! >> > > > Well, I'm sure everyone noticed it went for $6K+. $6K was it's new > price, not bad if it's as described. Shipping from Europe will be > a challenge...The thing about it I thought was interesting was it had > all the accessories in good shape--like the cover. The NR-100 > and RM-300 can be had albeit not easily; things like the drop cloth > and the cover are hard to come by--there was a case & cover > recently that fetched multiple hundreds, I think, and the cover was > cracked. One thing that makes those albeit cosmetic items hard to get > is they're specific to the "Limited" deck. > > I hope the final buyer actually uses the deck and isn't using it for > just a show piece like the buyer I got mine from (so that > someone stole a knob at a party...). > > I know there was concern this was a fraud, and it might be; the Europe > shipping thing didn't bother me so much on that particular issue > although it is unusual. The private bidder thing is also a little odd. > The pictures, however, were not, as far as I recall, cobbled from > any recent auctions, like most of the fraud things.-kby > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon May 14 22:27:44 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:27:44 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! In-Reply-To: <140892.57815.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <140892.57815.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4648C640.7030300@otenet.gr> Ram, I know that was a close one for you, but as you said i don t know if you were the unlucky one.......When you ask a seller to give you the SN of a unit that will eventually go sky high on an auction and with a score of +2 on ebay (and check what the other 2 items were it is funny i assure you!!!) then he must do his best not to put you into second thoughts and the guy just did that on me...I have no idea if he treated the rest of the bidders the same, but i do not see why he wouldn't..... Lets wait and see if the winner eventually shows up in this forum for advice, or even good news about the deck...which i really hope for him and his 6+ grant!!!! Best regards Manos shanti ramachandran wrote: > Manos, > > I am still hurting from losing the bid for $6012. Thought I had it > bagged there for 10 odd minutes. > > That limited is worth every penny! > > Yes the seller was a little ambiguous about payment for the item. May > be in hind sight I was lucky I didnt win after all! > > Regards, > Ram > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > I followed the auction till it went up to 2000 USD, then quit because > when i asked for the SN of the unit (i could not see it since the > picture was not as big and bright as it should), i never got a clear > answer from the guy who responded the questions for the > item.....In any > case he was polite enough to give me a quote for shipping to Athens > Greece (Europe) even if it was not stated on the shipping > instructions > of the auction... > > Never the less no way i could afford to pay that cash......but all > good > things have their price!!!!!!!! > I hope the guy who grubbed it will use it and will not keep it in the > "glass jar"!!!!!!!!!! > Manos > > > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > >> The surprising thing is that the PayPal insurance is only good > for up > >> to $200. For the value of an item like this one the insurance > amount > >> should easy be at least $2000 like others. > >> > >> Also this is a gold plated 1000ZXL "Limited" so $3000 is not > >> unreasonable. All the heads are hand selected as well. Enjoy !!! > >> > > > > > > Well, I'm sure everyone noticed it went for $6K+. $6K was it's new > > price, not bad if it's as described. Shipping from Europe will be > > a challenge...The thing about it I thought was interesting was > it had > > all the accessories in good shape--like the cover. The NR-100 > > and RM-300 can be had albeit not easily; things like the drop cloth > > and the cover are hard to come by--there was a case & cover > > recently that fetched multiple hundreds, I think, and the cover was > > cracked. One thing that makes those albeit cosmetic items hard > to get > > is they're specific to the "Limited" deck. > > > > I hope the final buyer actually uses the deck and isn't using it > for > > just a show piece like the buyer I got mine from (so that > > someone stole a knob at a party...). > > > > I know there was concern this was a fraud, and it might be; the > Europe > > shipping thing didn't bother me so much on that particular issue > > although it is unusual. The private bidder thing is also a > little odd. > > The pictures, however, were not, as far as I recall, cobbled from > > any recent auctions, like most of the fraud things.-kby > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dirk.janssens9 at telenet.be Mon May 14 23:22:35 2007 From: dirk.janssens9 at telenet.be (Dirk Janssens) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:22:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Message-ID: <000901c7966d$fde76330$f6a9c354@bieke> Hi, I recently bought a Nakamichi Tuner 430. It sounds great, but unfortunately the two green leds indicating the tuning is centered, don't work. Has somebody out there got some repair tips? Thx! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon May 14 23:53:25 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:53:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 In-Reply-To: <000901c7966d$fde76330$f6a9c354@bieke> Message-ID: Hi Dirk - They're not LED's, that's the problem. They are grain-of-wheat lamps which will need to be replaced. They're solder in and the face plate has to be removed. Not too tough if you're a bit mechanically inclined. If you want to do it yourself, I'll research the voltage/current specs for the lamps. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dirk Janssens Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Hi, I recently bought a Nakamichi Tuner 430. It sounds great, but unfortunately the two green leds indicating the tuning is centered, don't work. 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Message-ID: <051520070155.18967.464912F6000E366000004A1722165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, so I actually managed to get another BX-300, which probably will replace the BX-300 that has been going crazy. This latest BX-300 was manufactured in 1986; my "crazy" BX-300 was made in 1984 Just out of curiosity, I opened up the new BX-300, and I immediately noticed a PC board in this deck that is NOT in the 1984 deck. This PC board is mounted on the right side, near the rear, when looking at the deck from the front. What is this PC board? I will try to give everyone a link to a photo, if one is needed. (I'll have to re-open the 1986 deck again, though.) *andy* From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue May 15 17:28:58 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:28:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 auto stop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi david.. i've been working on my 550 recently and have just replaced the main drive / capstan belt with a new one from b&w. the old one looked ok but was very loose compared to the new one.. as for your autostop, my 550 does seem to autostop quicker in play at the end and a bit slower in RW and FF, so I'd guess it's normal. Out of interest how did you fix your problem? I noticed that while I had the long connector unplugged autostop didn't work, maybe your connections were dirty or the contacts needed tightening? cheers adrian On 8 May 2007, at 12:47, David Thompson wrote: > Some may remember my efforts to get tape end stop to work on a 550. > It is > now working but I notice that stop and the end of play takes about > 1/2 a > second while stop at the end of FF or Rew takes about 2 seconds. > > Can anyone tell me if this is normal please? > > David T > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue May 15 17:32:39 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:32:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 RW to FF or play normal behaviour. Message-ID: <4D03472A-97F3-493A-BE69-B01EB75E643E@thegreatbear.net> hi.. can other 550 owners tell me how their 550's behave when going from RW - stop - the FF or play quickly? on my deck, if I do this procedure quickly the tape reverses before going forwards, i.e. the takeup torque doesn't seem high enough to stop the previous RW. I've replaced the original drive belt and cleaned the idler and rubber tyres that go around the reel tables.. I haven't got a cassette torque gauge so I can't measure torque accurately but there seems very little adjustment possibility given the service manual method. thanks adrian From moydan at excite.com Tue May 15 20:42:16 2007 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Got Another BX-300...This One Is Different!!! Message-ID: <20070515184216.4542C8B317@xprdmxin.myway.com> I have the same PC board it is vertical to the main board and is attached via a screw in the right corner. --- On Mon 05/14, < hwbosshoss at comcast.net > wrote:From: [mailto: hwbosshoss at comcast.net]To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:55:02 +0000Subject: [naktalk] Got Another BX-300...This One Is Different!!!OK, so I actually managed to get another BX-300, which probably will replace the BX-300 that has been going crazy.This latest BX-300 was manufactured in 1986; my "crazy" BX-300 was made in 1984Just out of curiosity, I opened up the new BX-300, and I immediately noticed a PC board in this deck that is NOT in the 1984 deck.This PC board is mounted on the right side, near the rear, when looking at the deck from the front.What is this PC board? I will try to give everyone a link to a photo, if one is needed. (I'll have to re-open the 1986 deck again, though.)*andy*========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamiep8 at msn.com Tue May 15 04:52:25 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:52:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070514125614.00881de0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom: I appreciate the information. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks! Mike >From: Hi Tech >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise >Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:56:14 -0500 > >Michael. >The long record play switch has oxidized. Tho clean it, remove the bottom >cover. Spray DeOxit in one end of the 4" long silver switch. Use your >finger to move the switch mechanism 20 times. Tilt the deck so the cleaner >runs the length of the switch. You may have to repeat the process, spraying >in the opposite end. The actual switch contacts are in a slot close to the >pcb. > >tom brucker > > >At 03:21 PM 5/12/07 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi. This is a little off the topic, but I see that you have a lot of > >knowledge about Nakamichi Cassette Decks. I own a Nak 480Z, and it was > >working fine until the other day. When I try to play a tape, or record on > >one, I now get an extremely high-pitched squeeling through the tape outs, > >into my preamp, and also at the headphone jack on the deck itself, which > >renders it useless. Other-wise all other functions are fine. Any idea >what > >might be causing this? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >Mike > > > > > >>From: shanti ramachandran > >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad > >>lifters > >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >> > >> > >>Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. There >is > >>no pad lifter. The service manual is > >>vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on a > >>base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge set. > >>One could certainly be added as an experiment. > >> > >>Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon > >>head...electrically it is! > >> > >> > >>tom brucker > >> > >> > >>At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >>does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have > >>pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been incorporated....kindly > >>..gurus ...let me know....... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>---------- > >> > >>TV dinner still cooling? > >> > >> >>"Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! > >>TV.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >><<<<<<<< > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM > >> > >>Hi Tech Service > >> > >>2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> > >>Nashville, TN 37211 > >> > >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > >> > >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <464A26AC.3070302@marrscommunications.com> Hello, does anyone in the group have a source for NEW Mabuchi motors for the Nakamichi machines? If not, is there interest in having one ?? Fred M. From jamiep8 at msn.com Wed May 16 05:58:29 2007 From: jamiep8 at msn.com (Michael Pisano) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:58:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom: Ok. I removed the bottom cover. Is the switch you are referring to the long skinny cable-like wire which runs from the back of the record switch to the PCB? I follow it down, and see that it disappears in the PCB. Do I lubricate the wire from the back of the switch all the way down to the board? I just want to be clear about what I need to do, so that I don't apply deoxit to the wrong area. Thanks again, Mike > > > >>From: Hi Tech >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise >>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:56:14 -0500 >> >>Michael. >>The long record play switch has oxidized. Tho clean it, remove the bottom >>cover. Spray DeOxit in one end of the 4" long silver switch. Use your >>finger to move the switch mechanism 20 times. Tilt the deck so the cleaner >>runs the length of the switch. You may have to repeat the process, >>spraying >>in the opposite end. The actual switch contacts are in a slot close to the >>pcb. >> >>tom brucker >> >> >>At 03:21 PM 5/12/07 -0500, you wrote: >> >Hi. This is a little off the topic, but I see that you have a lot of >> >knowledge about Nakamichi Cassette Decks. I own a Nak 480Z, and it was >> >working fine until the other day. When I try to play a tape, or record >>on >> >one, I now get an extremely high-pitched squeeling through the tape >>outs, >> >into my preamp, and also at the headphone jack on the deck itself, which >> >renders it useless. Other-wise all other functions are fine. Any idea >>what >> >might be causing this? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>Mike >> > >> > >> >>From: shanti ramachandran >> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad >> >>lifters >> >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. >>There is >> >>no pad lifter. The service manual is >> >>vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on >>a >> >>base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge >>set. >> >>One could certainly be added as an experiment. >> >> >> >>Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon >> >>head...electrically it is! >> >> >> >> >> >>tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> >>At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have >> >>pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been >>incorporated....kindly >> >>..gurus ...let me know....... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >> >> >> >>TV dinner still cooling? >> >> >> >>> >>"Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! >> >>TV.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>=== >> >> >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> >> >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >><<<<<<<< >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom Brucker CSM >> >> >> >>Hi Tech Service >> >> >> >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >> >> >> >>Nashville, TN 37211 >> >> >> >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >> >> >> >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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You�ll love Windows Live >> >Hotmail. >> >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati >>on_HM_mini_outlook_0507 >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >>Tom Brucker CSM >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >Catch suspicious messages before you open them�with Windows Live Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine�s 2007 editors� choice for best Web mail�award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed May 16 12:39:38 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:39:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 RW to FF Message-ID: Adrian My 550 switches from RW to Stop to FF without a problem. RW was slightly slower to wind up. I tried it with a tape half way through. Sorry I can't suggest a solution to your problem though. Perhaps a motor problem. BTW how are the heads? Thanks for your response on my auto stop question. Much appreciated. My solution seemed to be in fixing a weak solder joint connecting a loop wire. Changing a tantalum cap to an electrolytic one helped along the way too. I have it up for sale at the moment. All the best with yours. David T >as for your autostop, my 550 does seem to autostop quicker in play at >the end and a bit slower in RW and FF, so I'd guess it's normal. Out >of interest how did you fix your problem? I noticed that while I had >the long connector unplugged autostop didn't work, maybe your >connections were dirty or the contacts needed tightening? >Message: 26 >Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:32:39 +0100 >From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" >Subject: [naktalk] 550 RW to FF or play normal behaviour. >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <4D03472A-97F3-493A-BE69-B01EB75E643E at thegreatbear.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >hi.. >can other 550 owners tell me how their 550's behave when going from >RW - stop - the FF or play quickly? >on my deck, if I do this procedure quickly the tape reverses before >going forwards, i.e. the takeup torque doesn't seem high enough to >stop the previous RW. >I've replaced the original drive belt and cleaned the idler and >rubber tyres that go around the reel tables.. >I haven't got a cassette torque gauge so I can't measure torque >accurately but there seems very little adjustment possibility given >the service manual method. >thanks >adrian From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed May 16 15:29:52 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:29:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mabuchi Motor Source ?? In-Reply-To: <464A26AC.3070302@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Wed May 16 19:19:02 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 05:19:02 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 6 Grand!! WOW!! Message-ID: <20070516171903.D25CC478077@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> It is reasonable to assume that, due to age related degradation & decay from apparent lack of use, this machine will likely exhibit any number of the malfunctions for which this model is notorious, & which have been widely discussed on NakTalk recently. If not immediately, then sooner rather than later if it gets used as it should. It therefore strikes me as somewhat peculiar that one who would bid $6K + for such a liabilty, would bemoan the price of a full restoration of the very same model (replete with improved componentry & warranty) from Jeff Galin - for 50%-60% of the selling price ... unless one merely harbours a fetish for the gaudy gold & exclusivity? Grant > Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 3 Grand!! WOW!! > > I am still hurting from losing the bid for $6012. Thought I had it bagged there for 10 odd > minutes. > > That limited is worth every penny! > > Yes the seller was a little ambiguous about payment for the item. May be in hind sight I was > lucky I didnt win after all! > > Regards, > Ram = IBS and Colitis Concentrated aloe (AMP) is used by many with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS). Nurse your body back to good health. A safe and effective formula with a high success rate. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=0ca779713694afe064eb9eb7c22e4ec8 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 16 15:53:32 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:53:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 RW to FF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070516085332.0088c930@earthlink.net> Do not move the loop wire. Believe it or not it is adjusted to minimize hum!!! I will soon be working on a 550 and try to contribute to this thread. tom brucker At 08:39 PM 5/16/07 +1000, you wrote: >Adrian > >My 550 switches from RW to Stop to FF without a problem. RW was slightly >slower to wind up. I tried it with a tape half way through. Sorry I can't >suggest a solution to your problem though. Perhaps a motor problem. >BTW how are the heads? > >Thanks for your response on my auto stop question. Much appreciated. My >solution seemed to be in fixing a weak solder joint connecting a loop wire. >Changing a tantalum cap to an electrolytic one helped along the way too. I >have it up for sale at the moment. > >All the best with yours. > >David T > >>as for your autostop, my 550 does seem to autostop quicker in play at >>the end and a bit slower in RW and FF, so I'd guess it's normal. Out >>of interest how did you fix your problem? I noticed that while I had >>the long connector unplugged autostop didn't work, maybe your >>connections were dirty or the contacts needed tightening? > >>Message: 26 >>Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:32:39 +0100 >>From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" >>Subject: [naktalk] 550 RW to FF or play normal behaviour. >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Message-ID: <4D03472A-97F3-493A-BE69-B01EB75E643E at thegreatbear.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >>hi.. > >>can other 550 owners tell me how their 550's behave when going from >>RW - stop - the FF or play quickly? > >>on my deck, if I do this procedure quickly the tape reverses before >>going forwards, i.e. the takeup torque doesn't seem high enough to >>stop the previous RW. > >>I've replaced the original drive belt and cleaned the idler and >>rubber tyres that go around the reel tables.. > >>I haven't got a cassette torque gauge so I can't measure torque >>accurately but there seems very little adjustment possibility given >>the service manual method. > > >>thanks > >>adrian > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 16 15:51:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:51:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070516085156.0088c2a0@earthlink.net> The wire is a cable link, but the switch is a silver covered 3/4" by 3" thing attached to the other cable end. I believe it is the center of the board. If it is between 2 boards, one board will release with 2 or 3 screws and hinge out of the way. tom brucker At 10:58 PM 5/15/07 -0500, Michael Pisano wrote: > >Tom: > >Ok. I removed the bottom cover. Is the switch you are referring to the long >skinny cable-like wire which runs from the back of the record switch to the >PCB? I follow it down, and see that it disappears in the PCB. Do I lubricate >the wire from the back of the switch all the way down to the board? I just >want to be clear about what I need to do, so that I don't apply deoxit to >the wrong area. Thanks again, Mike > >> >> >> >>>From: Hi Tech >>>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] High-pitched, feedback-type noise >>>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:56:14 -0500 >>> >>>Michael. >>>The long record play switch has oxidized. Tho clean it, remove the bottom >>>cover. Spray DeOxit in one end of the 4" long silver switch. Use your >>>finger to move the switch mechanism 20 times. Tilt the deck so the cleaner >>>runs the length of the switch. You may have to repeat the process, >>>spraying >>>in the opposite end. The actual switch contacts are in a slot close to the >>>pcb. >>> >>>tom brucker >>> >>> >>>At 03:21 PM 5/12/07 -0500, you wrote: >>> >Hi. This is a little off the topic, but I see that you have a lot of >>> >knowledge about Nakamichi Cassette Decks. I own a Nak 480Z, and it was >>> >working fine until the other day. When I try to play a tape, or record >>>on >>> >one, I now get an extremely high-pitched squeeling through the tape >>>outs, >>> >into my preamp, and also at the headphone jack on the deck itself, which >>> >renders it useless. Other-wise all other functions are fine. Any idea >>>what >>> >might be causing this? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>>Mike >>> > >>> > >>> >>From: shanti ramachandran >>> >>Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] do car decks like the TD-700 have pressure pad >>> >>lifters >>> >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>Hi Tech wrote: I only have aTD 1200 here. >>>There is >>> >>no pad lifter. The service manual is >>> >>vague because the head and guides were sold pre-aligned as one unit on >>>a >>> >>base plate. Nak car dealers were not expected to purchase the gauge >>>set. >>> >>One could certainly be added as an experiment. >>> >> >>> >>Someone a while back suggested that the TD1200 head might be a Dragon >>> >>head...electrically it is! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>tom brucker >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>At 10:57 AM 5/10/07 -0700, you wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>> >>does the TD700 or any of the double capstain mobile nakamichis have >>> >>pressure pad lifters....if not why is it not been >>>incorporated....kindly >>> >>..gurus ...let me know....... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>---------- >>> >> >>> >>TV dinner still cooling? >>> >> >>> >>>> >>"Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! >>> >>TV.========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>>=== >>> >> >>> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >> >>> >>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>> >><<<<<<<< >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>Tom Brucker CSM >>> >> >>> >>Hi Tech Service >>> >> >>> >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> >> >>> >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>> >> >>> >>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>> >> >>> >>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >>Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>--------------------------------- >>> >>Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >>> >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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You’ll love Windows Live >>> >Hotmail. >>> >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati >>>on_HM_mini_outlook_0507 >>> > >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > >>>Tom Brucker CSM >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>>Nashville, TN 37211 >>>615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 >>>mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. >>http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrat ion_HM_mini_protection_0507 >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >_________________________________________________________________ >PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows >Live Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati on_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From Benstratford at aol.com Wed May 16 19:36:57 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:36:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL On eBay - Over 6 Grand!! WOW!! Message-ID: Lets not point fingers at each other anymore guys, I thought we had moved on from that. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 16 20:35:18 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:35:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mabuchi Motor Source ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464B4EE6.6080606@rcn.com> All Sankyo transports use essentially the same reel motor. This includes the BX, MR and CR series. -- Ron martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > Will they be suitable for most naks including the BX & CR series? If so yes. > > martin F > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /Marrs Communications > / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /A Nak / > Subject: /[naktalk] Mabuchi Motor Source ??/ > Date: /Tue, 15 May 2007 16:31:24 -0500/ > >Hello, does anyone in the group have a source for NEW Mabuchi motors > >for the Nakamichi machines? If not, is there interest in having one > >?? Fred M. > > From dirk.janssens9 at telenet.be Wed May 16 22:27:57 2007 From: dirk.janssens9 at telenet.be (Dirk Janssens) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:27:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Message-ID: <000501c797f8$b0af4ab0$f6a9c354@bieke> Hi Willy I would be very obliged if you could help me to find the correct types of replacement lamps! Normally, I should be able to desolder the old ones and replace them. Dirk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Thu May 17 00:35:45 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:35:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 In-Reply-To: <000501c797f8$b0af4ab0$f6a9c354@bieke> Message-ID: Dirk - All three indicator lamps on the tuning dial are all 12v 60mA 0.12" dia. lamps. The stereo and signal lamp on the front panel are both 12v 40mA lamps of the same size. I have been ordering the 40mA lamps from kenselectronics.com - the LL4 lamp is 35mA which seems to work fine. I just searched around and wasn't able to find a 60mA replacement. Maybe Tom Brucker or someone else out there has a souce????? BTW - when replacing the tuning dial lamps be VERY careful not to break the dial string. As I recall, replacing that is not a fun project. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dirk Janssens Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Hi Willy I would be very obliged if you could help me to find the correct types of replacement lamps! Normally, I should be able to desolder the old ones and replace them. Dirk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy, I know what you mean! In my case it wasn't a Nak but a vintage Leak Troughline. It took me ages to figure out precisely how the dial string was meant to be threaded ... what a pain! Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu May 17 11:41:51 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll avoid that one, then! <> Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: 17 May 2007 00:53 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Gra' - Have you tried the Nak 730? Even with the routing diagram in the manual, it's a trip. All from my ancient history archives, of course. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 17 13:58:00 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:58:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Message-ID: <051720071158.835.464C4348000DE6B50000034322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I don't know if you have Radio Shack electronics stores in your area, but Radio Shack sells a miniature lamp that is 12v 60mA and was an EXACT replacement for the burned-out display lamps in my 682ZX. Go to www.radioshack.com and look at part number 272-1092, or just click on the link below: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103780&cp Cheers, *andy* From sybarito at hotmail.com Thu May 17 23:05:49 2007 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:05:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Pre CA-7A vs. Pioneer Elite C-91 Message-ID: Hello guys!!!! This one has just got me.... I am using my Nakamichi preamplifier CA-7A for some time. But today while visiting the Nak technician here in Caracas, Venezuela he offered me an almost new Pioneer Elite C-91 preamplier in original box with manuals and the remote control... Honestly I have no idea how it sounds, but it looks beautiful...jajajajaja...So can you help me out solve this puzzle??? Which one is better??? Is it worth to get the Pioneer C-91? Does any of you know this pre and the quality of it? I just hope you can throw me some lights here... Isy Fidelman _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage�get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From bernardsda at hotmail.com Fri May 18 09:36:23 2007 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:36:23 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Checking In-Reply-To: <051020070319.24511.46428F27000E1EDE00005FBF22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dam509 at zonnet.nl Fri May 18 09:44:34 2007 From: dam509 at zonnet.nl (Rudy Dam) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:44:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Pre CA-7A vs. Pioneer Elite C-91 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070518074437.6D9B61C00082@mwinf6308.orange.nl> Hello Isy, That's not difficult the Nakamichi is the better pre amp it was more expensive (about four times) and much better tested. http://www.elitestereo.netfirms.com On this site you can find some more information about Pioneer Elite. The c91 is almost the same as the c90. If it's a low price it's worth to get the Pioneer you can make a lot of money with it on Ebay. Rudy Dam Holland -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Isy Fidelman Verzonden: donderdag 17 mei 2007 23:06 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Nakamichi Pre CA-7A vs. Pioneer Elite C-91 Hello guys!!!! This one has just got me.... I am using my Nakamichi preamplifier CA-7A for some time. But today while visiting the Nak technician here in Caracas, Venezuela he offered me an almost new Pioneer Elite C-91 preamplier in original box with manuals and the remote control... Honestly I have no idea how it sounds, but it looks beautiful...jajajajaja...So can you help me out solve this puzzle??? Which one is better??? Is it worth to get the Pioneer C-91? Does any of you know this pre and the quality of it? I just hope you can throw me some lights here... Isy Fidelman _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage-get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 232 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri May 18 14:52:42 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:52:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual Message-ID: <051820071252.4050.464DA19A000BBDD000000FD222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I can't seem to find a decent CR-7a service manual for downloading. Does anyone have one that they could e-mail to me, or can someone point me to where I could download one...preferably for free? I tried Ebaman, but the download they have doesn't seem to work, or might be in a format that my computer doesn't recognize. Any help will be MUCH appreciated! THANKS! *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 16:00:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:00:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 whine from Capstan Motor assembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070518090037.0088c6d0@earthlink.net> Tony, Does the whine occur when you engage play with no tape in the holder? If so, then something has to be scraping. The 1 kHz seems too high to be a rotation vibration. There is something called "stick-slip" that can make these higher frequencies. With both covers off, gently press and probe with a chopstick trying to discover and area that changes the whine. If the deck is quiet with no tape, then the cassette itself is making a "stick-slip" sound. For a period of 2 years around 1980 TDK SA tape had a huge problem with this. tom brucker At 02:26 PM 5/11/07 +0100, you wrote: >>>> Forgive me if this has been covered before - I have scanned the archives and can find no mention of it. All of the time my CR4 is switched on, it emits a whine (about 1khz) which can be heard from the other side of the room. This is mechanical noise, not present in the output signal. The whine appears to be coming from the direct drive Capstan assembly and it It has been doing this since I purchased the deck (yes ebay) about 18 months ago. I put it down to needing a good clean and lubrication. However, having just got around to doing that, the noise is still there. Both flywheels turn easily and the speed appears to be accurate. Both Capstans were slightly stiffer to turn before the service, but not excessively so. The only deviation I noted from the service manual drawing is that I only found one small washer ( L03 polyslider) between the supply flywheel and the chassis. The drawing shows 2 of them. Is the noise I describe normal and to be expected? If not, has anyone else experienced it and found a cure? Am I one polyslider short of a satisfied grin? The noise is drowned out when listening to a tape but the vibration required to generate such a noise surely must have some audible effect on the final signal quality. I do note a slight loss of detail in the midrange when comparing recordings with the source, but overall it performs well and probably plays my old 482 recorded tapes as well as can be expected given their age and abuse. Tony ---------- Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 18 16:00:32 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:00:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070518090032.0088c620@earthlink.net> Willy, I bought an eBay 730 last month. There is a current project to make a remote for it. The 730 style is unmatched. If you are still willing to repair these, we can restore the 730 to its rightful place as a super receiver by fixing their lamps, relays, and sticking volume indicators. MCM has 12volt 50ma lamps 23-1370 and some colored lamps AR70319 with a green bootie 12V 65ma. tom brucker At 04:52 PM 5/16/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Gra' - Have you tried the Nak 730? Even with the routing diagram in the manual, it's a trip. All from my ancient history archives, of course. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:33 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: 16 May 2007 23:36 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Dirk - TW - when replacing the tuning dial lamps be VERY careful not to break the dial string. As I recall, replacing that is not a fun project. Willy [Nelson] LOL! Willy, I know what you mean! In my case it wasn't a Nak but a vintage Leak Troughline. It took me ages to figure out precisely how the dial string was meant to be threaded ... what a pain! Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri May 18 17:31:27 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:31:27 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual In-Reply-To: <051820071252.4050.464DA19A000BBDD000000FD222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <051820071252.4050.464DA19A000BBDD000000FD222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <464DC6CF.8070400@otenet.gr> Andy i send you one on your email, hope its better that what you got already... Manos hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >I can't seem to find a decent CR-7a service manual for downloading. > >Does anyone have one that they could e-mail to me, or can someone point me to where I could download one...preferably for free? > >I tried Ebaman, but the download they have doesn't seem to work, or might be in a format that my computer doesn't recognize. > >Any help will be MUCH appreciated! THANKS! > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 18 17:32:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:32:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T430 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/18/2007 8:25:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Willy, I bought an eBay 730 last month. There is a current project to make a remote for it. The 730 style is unmatched. If you are still willing to repair these, we can restore the 730 to its rightful place as a super receiver by fixing their lamps, relays, and sticking volume indicators. MCM has 12volt 50ma lamps 23-1370 and some colored lamps AR70319 with a green bootie 12V 65ma. tom brucker If anyone's interested, there's been a 730 on the SF Craigslist for about 6 months with a remote listed for $300. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri May 18 17:36:48 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:36:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual References: <051820071252.4050.464DA19A000BBDD000000FD222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <018301c79962$59a838b0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi 'Andy' The Ebaman copy seems to download etc OK, with XP. - RU sure that U are 'logged in' to Ebaman - it doesn't do anything if U aren't - also it is a largish file [> 30mb] so takes some time even with an accelerator like DAP in use File ['pdf' or acrobat reader] seems fine & content [67 pages] also appears OK. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual > > I can't seem to find a decent CR-7a service manual for downloading. > > Does anyone have one that they could e-mail to me, or can someone point me > to where I could download one...preferably for free? > > I tried Ebaman, but the download they have doesn't seem to work, or might > be in a format that my computer doesn't recognize. > > Any help will be MUCH appreciated! THANKS! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 17/05/2007 > 17:18 > > From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat May 19 02:25:04 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:25:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual In-Reply-To: <464DC6CF.8070400@otenet.gr> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat May 19 06:06:48 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 04:06:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7 Message-ID: <051920070406.13930.464E77D800039CF80000366A22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Manos! THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the CR-7 service manual! I was able to download it with no problems! This will come in handy when I receive a CR-7 that I just won on eBay! THANKS AGAIN, and please let me know if there is anything I can do for you! Cheers! *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Emmanuel Komninos > Hi Andy > > > It is a PDF it will take some time! > > Enjoy > > > Manos -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Emmanuel Komninos Subject: CR-7 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:37:18 +0000 Size: 5342495 URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat May 19 09:59:58 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:59:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual References: Message-ID: <001801c799eb$b1eea5c0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> at 'www.ebaman.com' ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual Hi i am searching for a CR3 service manual. do you know where i can find one? thanks Martin F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emmanuel Komninos Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:31:27 +0300 >Andy i send you one on your email, hope its better that what you got >already... >Manos > > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >>I can't seem to find a decent CR-7a service manual for downloading. >> >>Does anyone have one that they could e-mail to me, or can someone >>point me to where I could download one...preferably for free? >> >>I tried Ebaman, but the download they have doesn't seem to work, or >>might be in a format that my computer doesn't recognize. >> >>Any help will be MUCH appreciated! THANKS! >> >> >>*andy* >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i'm Initiative now. It's free. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 17/05/2007 17:18 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat May 19 14:54:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:54:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It? Message-ID: <051920071254.19602.464EF373000E181500004C9222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Who bought that Dragon on eBay? It had a Buy It Now price of only $500, and was a 220-volt model. It didn't last long! GREAT deal! *andy* From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat May 19 15:50:25 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7 In-Reply-To: <051920070406.13930.464E77D800039CF80000366A22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <594503.84242.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, I hope you enjoy your new CR7. I just got a CR5 that I got off e-bay. It had a FF problem at first but after letting it "work" a little, all is well. It is very under biased for Maxell XL2S so it needs a tweak. I haven't had a chance to do any other checking yet. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Manos! THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the CR-7 service manual! I was able to download it with no problems! This will come in handy when I receive a CR-7 that I just won on eBay! THANKS AGAIN, and please let me know if there is anything I can do for you! Cheers! *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Emmanuel Komninos > Hi Andy > > > It is a PDF it will take some time! > > Enjoy > > > Manos From: Emmanuel Komninos To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: CR-7 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:37:18 +0000 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clintmschd at aol.com Sun May 20 00:59:26 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:59:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It? In-Reply-To: <051920071254.19602.464EF373000E181500004C9222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <051920071254.19602.464EF373000E181500004C9222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C968807B8CEF6C-898-64A3@FWM-M33.sysops.aol.com> It was a good deal but, i would've shot for a 1000ZXL, a much superior machine. -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 5:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It? Who bought that Dragon on eBay? It had a Buy It Now price of only $500, and was a 220-volt model. It didn't last long! GREAT deal! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun May 20 07:27:56 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 05:27:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It? Message-ID: Not always True!!!! I also own a Dragon, satisfies my needs, second still possible to be repaired to get it back as was NEW!. The 1000ZXL Black or Gold ones today OFFICIALLY...Nobody can repair it 100%...must important NO MORE spare parts in REGULARLY STOCK...& for me this is the MOST important...during meantime Dragon can be repaired with originally spare parts...so be tranquil & enjoy your acquired Dragon! Alex! To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It?Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:59:26 -0400From: clintmschd at aol.com It was a good deal but, i would've shot for a 1000ZXL, a much superior machine. -----Original Message-----From: hwbosshoss at comcast.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSent: Sat, 19 May 2007 5:54 AMSubject: [naktalk] OK, Who Bought It? Who bought that Dragon on eBay? It had a Buy It Now price of only $500, and was a 220-volt model. It didn't last long! GREAT deal! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vervliethuglo at orange.fr Sun May 20 12:27:35 2007 From: vervliethuglo at orange.fr (vervliethuglo) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:27:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem Message-ID: <28713294.182331179656855532.JavaMail.www@wwinf2603> Hello everybody I'me new here and in the world of nak. Before anything else, all my apologises for my very bad english. So I've send yesterday morning my ebay cr3 in a apparent perfect state : no physical default and a good sound when i play a first tape. But... now i've got a big problem : for the second tape, i have wanted to rewind. The tape Deck began to operate without problem. I have stopped this operation, returned the tape and wanted to forward... and then, no one mecanichal function works since ! It's now impossible to play, record, forward ou rewind the tape. When i push on "play" or "record", i see and hear the motor begin to turn, but it stops nearly immediatly, as if the band was too heavy ! No reaction when i press "forward" or "reward". I haven't got the user's manual but i've downloaded the cr2 manual for the two decks seem very similar in terms of function if not conception (2 heads vs 3 heads). I haven't found anything to help me. I've now donwloaded the service manual of the cr3 and i'm about to explorate the abysses of this engine, without any experience and qualification...Is anybody here to help me ? I would like to keep this nak alive, even if it's not a great nak of the best years. Maybe it's not the good way to have an answer, i haven't found the way to research all the thread about this problem on the big huge faq... Sorry for this confused beginning. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Sun May 20 21:54:18 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:54:18 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Belts and idler tire for RX 505 Message-ID: <4650A76A.2000004@otenet.gr> Hi everybody I am currently waiting for a 505 to arrive at my doorsteps anytime now....When bidding, the seller clearly stated that the deck needed belt drive change. I did a small research and also checked the RX-505 service manual and this is what i came up with: 0C08099B: CONTROL MOTOR BELT 0C08096C CAPSTAN BELT 0C08099C CAM MOTOR BELT Then the idler tire should probably be changed also to have better overall results. Please correct me if i am wrong! ****Scott Johnson's NAK FAQ refers only on 2 belts for the 505 and here i am a little bit confused....Can anybody in the forum give me advise on how many belts does the RX 505 has? I also read that only Jeff Galin sells the original capstan belt (and maybe B&W in UK) ,which is crucial for the W&F of the deck - i have send an inquiry to ESL-but considerably more expensive than other possible but not technically feasible solutions...(unless there are more fresh info on both the quality and the price tag!). Regardless the price, which is something i will have to face anyway, the main concern here remains the correct # of Belts of the deck and which should be replaced in case i will have to open the deck for repairs of such nature! I have to add that my tech skills are not enough to attempt anything on my own, i will send the deck to a tech here in Athens, whom i trust, but he is not specialized on NAKs...I apologize for the length of this post but any advise could be very helpful! Manos -Athens, Greece From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon May 21 05:47:56 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 03:47:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Record EQ Modification Message-ID: <052120070347.5701.4651166C000D78C00000164522165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, All: Soon I will be taking possession of a CR-7a that I am certain has never been serviced. It has a very early serial number, so it will have the regular idler wheel and it will NOT have the record EQ modification. I plan to do the record EQ modification myself, but I have a question before I do it. According to Scott Johnson's very helpful Nak FAQ, a proper CR-7a will have "a rather large 0.33ufd film cap with two small resistors attached. An unmod'd unit will just have single resistors." I know the location of the resistors he is referring to. Specifically, these resistors are R122 and R222 on the EQ circuit. MY QUESTION: Are the values of R122 and R222 exactly the same on modified AND unmodified CR-7a decks? In other words, do I just need to add the 0.33ufd film cap? If all I need is the cap, how exactly is it wired into the circuit? Any info on this will be much appreciated, THANKS! *andy* From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon May 21 05:54:28 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts and idler tire for RX 505 In-Reply-To: <4650A76A.2000004@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <695328.57021.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The following is taken directly off my web page RX-505/RX-505E Belts 0C08096 - Capstan Belt; 2x 0C08099 - Cam Belt (1 for control motor and 1 for flip mechanism) There are three belts, the super critical capstan belt and two of the 0C08099 belts. SJ Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Hi everybody I am currently waiting for a 505 to arrive at my doorsteps anytime now....When bidding, the seller clearly stated that the deck needed belt drive change. I did a small research and also checked the RX-505 service manual and this is what i came up with: 0C08099B: CONTROL MOTOR BELT 0C08096C CAPSTAN BELT 0C08099C CAM MOTOR BELT Then the idler tire should probably be changed also to have better overall results. Please correct me if i am wrong! ****Scott Johnson's NAK FAQ refers only on 2 belts for the 505 and here i am a little bit confused....Can anybody in the forum give me advise on how many belts does the RX 505 has? I also read that only Jeff Galin sells the original capstan belt (and maybe B&W in UK) ,which is crucial for the W&F of the deck - i have send an inquiry to ESL-but considerably more expensive than other possible but not technically feasible solutions...(unless there are more fresh info on both the quality and the price tag!). Regardless the price, which is something i will have to face anyway, the main concern here remains the correct # of Belts of the deck and which should be replaced in case i will have to open the deck for repairs of such nature! I have to add that my tech skills are not enough to attempt anything on my own, i will send the deck to a tech here in Athens, whom i trust, but he is not specialized on NAKs...I apologize for the length of this post but any advise could be very helpful! Manos -Athens, Greece ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon May 21 07:59:35 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:59:35 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Belts and idler tire for RX 505 In-Reply-To: <695328.57021.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <695328.57021.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46513547.2020600@otenet.gr> Apologies Scott I have to wear my eyeglasses more often when i read, (the C and B at the end of the codes on the service manual really tricked me) M Scott Johnson wrote: > The following is taken directly off my web page > > RX-505/RX-505E Belts > 0C08096 - Capstan Belt; 2x 0C08099 - Cam Belt (1 for control motor and > 1 for flip mechanism) > > There are three belts, the super critical capstan belt and two of the > 0C08099 belts. > > SJ > > */Emmanuel Komninos /* wrote: > > Hi everybody > I am currently waiting for a 505 to arrive at my doorsteps anytime > now....When bidding, the seller clearly stated that the deck > needed belt > drive change. I did a small research and also checked the RX-505 > service manual and this is what i came up with: > 0C08099B: CONTROL MOTOR BELT > 0C08096C CAPSTAN BELT > 0C08099C CAM MOTOR BELT > Then the idler tire should probably be changed also to have better > overall results. Please correct me if i am wrong! > ****Scott Johnson's NAK FAQ refers only on 2 belts for the 505 and > here > i am a little bit confused....Can anybody in the forum give me > advise on > how many belts does the RX 505 has? > I also read that only Jeff Galin sells the original capstan belt (and > maybe B&W in UK) ,which is crucial for the W&F of the deck - i > have send > an inquiry to ESL-but considerably more expensive than other possible > but not technically feasible solutions...(unless there are more fresh > info on both the quality and the price tag!). > Regardless the price, which is something i will have to face anyway, > the main concern here remains the correct # of Belts of the deck and > which should be replaced in case i will have to open the deck for > repairs of such nature! I have to add that my tech skills are not > enough > to attempt anything on my own, i will send the deck to a tech here in > Athens, whom i trust, but he is not specialized on NAKs...I apologize > for the length of this post but any advise could be very helpful! > Manos > -Athens, Greece > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks > on Yahoo! TV. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon May 21 11:06:56 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:06:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Message-ID: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 21 13:53:54 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:53:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Record EQ Modification In-Reply-To: <052120070347.5701.4651166C000D78C00000164522165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052120070347.5701.4651166C000D78C00000164522165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46518852.8060108@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, All: > > Soon I will be taking possession of a CR-7a that I am certain has never been serviced. It has a very early serial number, so it will have the regular idler wheel and it will NOT have the record EQ modification. > > I plan to do the record EQ modification myself, but I have a question before I do it. > > According to Scott Johnson's very helpful Nak FAQ, a proper CR-7a will have "a rather large 0.33ufd film cap with two small resistors attached. An unmod'd unit will just have single resistors." > > I know the location of the resistors he is referring to. Specifically, these resistors are R122 and R222 on the EQ circuit. > > MY QUESTION: Are the values of R122 and R222 exactly the same on modified AND unmodified CR-7a decks? The mod consists of more than just a value change. R122 is different in value and is also differently connected. > In other words, do I just need to add the 0.33ufd film cap? No, there are about 15 new parts and the circuit has to be rewired in a way the PCB was never designed for. > If all I need is the cap, how exactly is it wired into the circuit? You need to obtain Nakamichi Service bulletin OOD-M-298 that outlines the whole modification. Be aware that it is not for the novice. The only easy thing about it is to damage the deck. Unless you are well experienced in PCB work, I strongly recommend you get someone that is to do the work. > Any info on this will be much appreciated, THANKS! You're welcome... -- Ron > > *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 21 13:57:26 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:57:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46518926.6050101@rcn.com> Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello my dear Buddies, > > Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! > > BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY > > For your enjoyment, > > Peace, > > Alex! Alex... A tube tester??? What do you need it for? -- Ron From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Mon May 21 13:50:26 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:50:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c79b9e$3bedd990$7300a8c0@Shaun> Hi Alex, Didn't know you had a Tandberg TCD 310. How do you rate it? It always had very good reviews when it was released. Cheers Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon May 21 14:28:00 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! Message-ID: My dear Buddy, I ONLY heard it ONCE! (I acquired for a mere US $:10.00 at Tel Aviv's Flea Market) 4 year ago...now 200% sure that needed to change the two belts..., I "Wake up"...for make these two photos only! When I check it the sound was good, play only! For such price will be "Shame of me"...throwing out!!!. You must remember that use 3 DD motors with two heads system. Cheers, Alex From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos!Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:50:26 +0100 Hi Alex, Didn't know you had a Tandberg TCD 310. How do you rate it? It always had very good reviews when it was released. Cheers Shaun _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Mon May 21 16:33:40 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:33:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <46518926.6050101@rcn.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakfan at gmail.com Mon May 21 16:54:22 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:54:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem In-Reply-To: <28713294.182331179656855532.JavaMail.www@wwinf2603> References: <28713294.182331179656855532.JavaMail.www@wwinf2603> Message-ID: <6839b2c0705210754p43a92c3cu7519a08835701a41@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Welcome to NakTalk and the wonderful world of Naks :-) As none of the gurus in here have answered you yet, I'll take a chance and give my humble opinion: I think your problem could be (partly) caused by a worn / dried out idler tire. More or less the same thing happened for me minutes (!) after I received my first BX-300. BX and the CR series - among others - share the same small idler wheel of the Sankyo transport. The rubber tend to be worn out earlier and seems to me susceptible to dry out if not used for some time. The good thing is that is is cheap and not too difficult (I am told) to change the idler tire. Check out these sources for spare idler tires and more infor- mation by searching www.ebay.com for these to items: 170113024628 and 300090073630. Good luck. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark PS: I did not have any problem at all understanding your English :-) From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon May 21 17:51:36 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:51:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! Message-ID: Hi Martin & Ron, Thanks to both of you I will respond first to Martin & after to you Ron...which mail was NOT received directly, (Inside the Mail from Martin!?). My power is the last one under Dynaco brand se EL-34. Ron now your turn!!! My ARC preamp use two 6DJ8>6922>7308 tubes & my power Dynaco EL-34 & those two drivers that I forgot their numbers...so each few years I take away all in use tubes from those two apparatus & check it with my Tube Tester! as I like very...very...much 100% matched tubes in the case of my ARC SP-9-ll each tube MUST...be 100& matched triodes...same with the output EL-34 ones same 4 100% matched...my Hickok 539c tube tester is always 100% calibrated...the two other smaller drivers on my Dynaco power...the matching if it's near 100% satisfies me! Hope, my dear Buddies that I make myself easy comprehended? Peace, Alex! From: martinferreira at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos!Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:33:40 +0000 Hi Alex Interesting ensemble of sound reproduction equipment. It s nice to see the harmonious marriage of Nakamichi tecnology with vacuum tube tecnolgy. Are those EL34s or 84? shalom martinF From: Ron Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos!Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:57:26 -0400>Alex Cozac wrote:>>Hello my dear Buddies,>> Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo >>gear!>> BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos!>> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY>> For your enjoyment,>> Peace,>> Alex!>>Alex... A tube tester??? 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon May 21 17:12:21 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:12:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem Message-ID: In a message dated 5/21/2007 8:09:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nakfan at gmail.com writes: Welcome to NakTalk and the wonderful world of Naks :-) As none of the gurus in here have answered you yet, I'll take a chance and give my humble opinion: I think your problem could be (partly) caused by a worn / dried out idler tire. More or less the same thing happened for me minutes (!) after I received my first BX-300. BX and the CR series - among others - share the same small idler wheel of the Sankyo transport. The rubber tend to be worn out earlier and seems to me susceptible to dry out if not used for some time. The good thing is that is is cheap and not too difficult (I am told) to change the idler tire. Check out these sources for spare idler tires and more infor- mation by searching www.ebay.com for these to items: 170113024628 and 300090073630. The CR-3 doesn't have the idler tire. It was the first Sankyo mech deck produced with the gear idler. Whatever the problem is with your CR-3, this isn't it. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 21 19:16:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:16:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4651D3D3.6000100@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/21/2007 8:09:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > nakfan at gmail.com writes: > > Welcome to NakTalk and the wonderful world of Naks :-) > As none of the gurus in here have answered you yet, > I'll take a chance and give my humble opinion: > > I think your problem could be (partly) caused by a worn / > dried out idler tire. More or less the same thing happened > for me minutes (!) after I received my first BX-300. BX and > the CR series - among others - share the same small idler > wheel of the Sankyo transport. The rubber tend to be worn > out earlier and seems to me susceptible to dry out if not used > for some time. The good thing is that is is cheap and not too > difficult (I am told) to change the idler tire. > > Check out these sources for spare idler tires and more infor- > mation by searching www.ebay.com for these to items: > 170113024628 and 300090073630. > > The CR-3 doesn't have the idler tire. It was the first Sankyo mech deck > produced with the gear idler. > Whatever the problem is with your CR-3, this isn't it. > Jeff W I was thinking that, as well. These symptoms do not to be caused by a rubber idler, even if the deck had one. Personally, the first thing I would look for is a stuck control motor. Not guaranteed, but it's such an easy thing to check... -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue May 22 00:06:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:06:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: THE Truth Message-ID: <052120072206.19970.465217DC0003E07000004E0222165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For what it's worth, there have been a couple of times that my posts to NakTalk did not go through. I have never gotten into any kind of disagreement or argument with anyone on NakTalk, so I don't think any moderator deleted anything. I think the reason my posts didn't make it is nothing more than a simple glitch somewhere. *andy* From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue May 22 01:06:17 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:06:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem In-Reply-To: <6839b2c0705210754p43a92c3cu7519a08835701a41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakfan at gmail.com Tue May 22 11:23:55 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:23:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: <6839b2c0705210754p43a92c3cu7519a08835701a41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6839b2c0705220223ibb75be8oed7ba301505282f5@mail.gmail.com> Hi Martin, I am sorry to say that I don't know. My suggestion about the idler problem is about the only thing I know - or thought I knew! I hope you can get help from the true experts in this forum. Good luck, Best Regards, Per 2007/5/22, martinferreira at hotmail.com : > Hi Per > > You seem to be well versed in CR3s so i'd like to ask you a technical > question. MY CR3's rewind and FF mechanisms don t work. It seems to be due > to the braking system on the supply capstan ONLY that is activated during RW > & FF (it prefroms well on playback and the take up capstan functions > normally on RW & FF when tested without a cassette inserted). > > Is the braking mechanism controlled mechanically or electronically? > > Thanks > > Martin F From nakfan at gmail.com Tue May 22 11:33:19 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:33:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR3 transport problem In-Reply-To: <007b01c79c52$266541d0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <007b01c79c52$266541d0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <6839b2c0705220233k7b0e0538vd2a1f1eec0ba0fcf@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for my mistake about the idler... And THANKS to Jeff W and Ron for helping me out on this one as I was clearly moving on (very) thin ice... Hope you can get some help from the true experts in here. Best Regards, Per Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > The CR-3 doesn't have the idler tire. It was the first Sankyo mech deck > produced with the gear idler. > Whatever the problem is with your CR-3, this isn't it. > Jeff W Ron wrote: > I was thinking that, as well. These symptoms do not to > be caused by a rubber idler, even if the deck had one. > > Personally, the first thing I would look for is a stuck > control motor. Not guaranteed, but it's such an easy > thing to check... > > -- Ron vervliethuglo wrote: > no one mecanichal function works since ! > It's now > impossible to play,record, forward ou rewind the tape. > When i push on "play" or "record", i see and hear the > motor begin to turn, but it stops nearly immediatly, as > if the band was too heavy No reaction when i press > "forward" or "reward". From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue May 22 21:29:44 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:29:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14h6535k49hsjlv66qq8gf1oeuebvoftk3@4ax.com> On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:00 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: >My dear Buddy, > >I ONLY heard it ONCE! (I acquired for a mere US $:10.00 at Tel Aviv's Flea Market) 4 year ago...now 200% sure that needed to change the two belts..., I "Wake up"...for make these two photos only! When I check it the sound was good, play only! For such price will be "Shame of me"...throwing out!!!. You must remember that use 3 DD motors with two heads system. I threw out a Tandberg TCD 310 and another Mk II unit. Both had issues and the issues were the same and they were freebies. -Mikkel From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 23 14:01:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:01:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! *andy* From benstratford at aol.com Wed May 23 14:38:04 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:38:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C96B4E57F21244-514-478@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy, My favourite naks are the ZXL and the 680, probably because they took so much effort to get working correctly which built our relationship, and I love the level meters.  If I were to really talk about the best deck rather than the favourite deck, It would be hard to separate the ZXL and ZX-9.  Once my CR-7 is aligned correctly, it may join the debate.  BTW, Tom has my other ZXL which I have yet to see but I am certain that once he has set it up and performed his usual magic, that it will eclipse all others. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 1.01pm Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound nd GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT ounding amplifier! *andy* =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 1.01pm Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound nd GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT ounding amplifier! *andy* =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Wed May 23 15:02:15 2007 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (johnn380 at tx.rr.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 6:02:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: <26299128.1179925335413.JavaMail.root@web30> I have 4 favorites: a ESL ZX-7... a Steven Sank "Sanktified" ZX-7...a Tom Brucker "Bruckerized" Onkyo TA-2090...and my old trusty 682zx. John ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From clintmschd at aol.com Wed May 23 19:50:59 2007 From: clintmschd at aol.com (clintmschd at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:50:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C96B7A0E9F05A2-14A4-1B24@WEBMAIL-RC06.sysops.aol.com> Hey Andy, I had a 680 and i know what you mean, that's what my friends and i call one of the "Badboy" Naks, it is sweet. I have 4 Naks and one is a ZX7, love it! Enjoy it. Clint -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 23 May 2007 5:01 am Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound nd GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT ounding amplifier! *andy* =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed May 23 19:57:54 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:57:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 5:13:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! You really started my day off with a laugh. My favorite deck is my 680, and my sentimental favorite is my BX-300, which was the first Nak I owned, and I really love my ESL-ed ZX-7. And I just got a TA-4 on eBay last week for $80 which I absolutely love and am listening to right now. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 23 20:01:56 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <385750.61687.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently broken and I have no desire to fix it ). At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed May 23 20:17:19 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:17:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:13:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently broken and I have no desire to fix it ). At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. Hey Mike, Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed May 23 20:34:51 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:34:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <385750.61687.qm@web80211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 23 20:16:43 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (tom brucker) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:16:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay sales of interest Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070523131643.00878980@earthlink.net> There are currently 2 ZXL decks, both with problems, on eBay. The California machine has gummy pinch arm guides. Bid is currently $315. I'd charge about $200, and the beast costs about $40 to ship in the US. The second ZXL has an intermittent meter, but the bidding is over $2,200. The meter might be a connection, or capacitor, or logic switching. It is difficult to estimate from afar. There is a T-100 analyzer and a Nak azimuth alignment tape. Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 23 20:19:25 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:19:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <8C96B4E57F21244-514-478@WEBMAIL-RA09.sysops.aol.com> References: <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <052320071201.26566.46542D07000821FA000067C622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070523131925.00883c00@earthlink.net> I was struggling with this question until I realized that my T100 is my favorite. I have used it for the last 26 years almost every day. I daresay I would own it just for the bouncing meters. tom Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed May 23 21:28:31 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336345.28546.qm@web82312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Speaking of EQ, does the "cassette deck" series have the "newer" EQ? Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:13:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently broken and I have no desire to fix it ). At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. Hey Mike, Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Wed May 23 21:30:52 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that correct? It sure has a great sound. Bob martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: My favorite Nak? for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & BX-150. cheers Martin F --------------------------------- From: LENA WONG Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently broken and I have no desire to fix it ). At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Just thought I would start the day with this question. What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first Nak. Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. ...And my favorite non-deck Nak is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed May 23 21:58:26 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:58:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 12:46:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: Jeff, Speaking of EQ, does the "cassette deck" series have the "newer" EQ? As far as I know, it does not. In fact, my Cassette Deck 1 sounds and behaves exactly like my CR-3, but with a azimuth adjustment. I think the DR-1 is essentially the same deck. I think Nakamichi decided that the CR-3 was the most cost-effective design to produce, and then went on to adapt it for the later 3 head machines. Just for the information of those that don't know the chronological order of Nak decks, the CR-3 was actually introduced after the CR-5 and CR-7, and was the first Sankyo mechanism 3-head deck made without direct drive. The CR-4 is essentially a CR-3 with direct drive and user adjustable bias and level calibration. The Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5 and the DR-1, 2 & 10 are all Sakyo mech 3 head decks with the same transport as the CR-3. I was very surprised to find out when I took my Cassette Deck 1 apart for our recent belt tests that it had a generic drive motor without the Nak branding or part number on it, and that motor is still available. I'd never opened it up before as there has never been anything wrong with it. I guess that same generic would work in all the other non-direct-drive Sankyo decks too. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 23 21:55:19 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <96988.14692.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: Thanks for your advice. The problem is that I need to find a MR-1B. I will try to locate one. Best Regards, Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/23/2007 11:13:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently broken and I have no desire to fix it ). At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. Hey Mike, Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. Jeff W --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 23 22:12:27 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:12:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] eBay sales of interest Message-ID: <5A91CDBA-12B8-4F31-B2A2-D335EA46CB87@alumni.caltech.edu> > There is a T-100 analyzer and a Nak azimuth alignment tape. Tom, the only alignment tape(s) I see are Luis'. Is that what you were looking at (at least I'd guess seller username lperomata in Spain is our Luis Peromata)--nothing against Luis' tapes, but I'd probably ask for them here or to him directly than ebay :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Wed May 23 22:48:06 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:48:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? References: Message-ID: <013801c79d7b$aa5fc5d0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Jeff RE your observation about the deck 1 [generic drive] motor being still available & potentially suitable for the CR-3 etc can U advise more details & likely sourcing for future reference. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In a message dated 5/23/2007 12:46:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wotbob at sbcglobal.net writes: Jeff, Speaking of EQ, does the "cassette deck" series have the "newer" EQ? As far as I know, it does not. In fact, my Cassette Deck 1 sounds and behaves exactly like my CR-3, but with a azimuth adjustment. I think the DR-1 is essentially the same deck. I think Nakamichi decided that the CR-3 was the most cost-effective design to produce, and then went on to adapt it for the later 3 head machines. Just for the information of those that don't know the chronological order of Nak decks, the CR-3 was actually introduced after the CR-5 and CR-7, and was the first Sankyo mechanism 3-head deck made without direct drive. The CR-4 is essentially a CR-3 with direct drive and user adjustable bias and level calibration. The Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5 and the DR-1, 2 & 10 are all Sakyo mech 3 head decks with the same transport as the CR-3. I was very surprised to find out when I took my Cassette Deck 1 apart for our recent belt tests that it had a generic drive motor without the Nak branding or part number on it, and that motor is still available. I'd never opened it up before as there has never been anything wrong with it. I guess that same generic would work in all the other non-direct-drive Sankyo decks too. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed May 23 23:21:23 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 1:21:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The problem is that I need to find a MR-1B. Look for a MR-1 with a white round dot sticker on the bottom. That's the only way you can tell it from the MR-1 without tests. jw ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 23 23:22:41 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:22:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4654B0A1.8000902@rcn.com> I'd go along with Martin on the CR-7 -- it's the best Nak I have seen and heard (except that I have never heard a ZXL, so what do I know :-) ). As to ease of repair, I disagree. I see no difference between the CR series, any of them, and the BX-whatever. Same for the MR series for that matter. And I feel that none of the BX series (BX-300 included) approaches the CR-7 transparency of sound -- both PB and recording. -- Ron martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > My favorite Nak? > > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. For > the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & BX-150. > > cheers > > Martin F > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /LENA WONG / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You > Actually Own)?/ > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ > > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. > > > > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. > > > > > > Mike > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my > first Nak. > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live > Hotmail. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 23 23:24:27 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:24:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4654B10B.6050902@rcn.com> Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side by side, I cannot tell any difference. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that correct? > It sure has a great sound.* > *Bob* > > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: > > My favorite Nak? > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & > BX-150. > cheers > Martin F > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /LENA WONG / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You > Actually Own)?/ > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ > > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. > > > > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. > > > > > > Mike > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was > my first Nak. > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > *andy* From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Wed May 23 23:52:43 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:52:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <14h6535k49hsjlv66qq8gf1oeuebvoftk3@4ax.com> References: <14h6535k49hsjlv66qq8gf1oeuebvoftk3@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:29:44 +0200, Mikkel Breiler wrote: >On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:00 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: > >>My dear Buddy, >> >>I ONLY heard it ONCE! (I acquired for a mere US $:10.00 at Tel Aviv's Flea Market) 4 year ago...now 200% sure that needed to change the two belts..., I "Wake up"...for make these two photos only! When I check it the sound was good, play only! For such price will be "Shame of me"...throwing out!!!. You must remember that use 3 DD motors with two heads system. > >I threw out a Tandberg TCD 310 and another Mk II unit. Both had issues and the issues >were the same and they were freebies. The knobs and buttons were missing, the wood sidepanels on the 310 were damaged and the surface of the faceplates were spotted on both. Neither turned out to be the cure for the other and I was unable to secure belts. The belts for these units is a longer one than usually as it is the first deck to offer dual capstan. I could nto test the electronics but there was corrosion on the heads on one of them, can't remember which. So faced with that and general cleaning I decided that after over a year of storage I had to give them back to the recyclign deposit where I found them. I wasn't happy about letting them go but I could not save them ithout spending outrageous amounts of money better spent on other decks. -Mikkel From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu May 24 00:05:15 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <4654B10B.6050902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <390877.87099.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with dolby B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about a month ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go after a 5 which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. An e-bay success! Bob Ron wrote: Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side by side, I cannot tell any difference. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that correct? > It sure has a great sound.* > *Bob* > > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: > > My favorite Nak? > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & > BX-150. > cheers > Martin F > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: /LENA WONG / > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You > Actually Own)?/ > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ > > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. > > > > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. > > > > > > Mike > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was > my first Nak. > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 24 01:18:53 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:18:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 1:21:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: The problem is that I need to find a MR-1B. After thinking about it, here's my second reply. Virtually every MR-1 sold on eBay is actually a MR-1B. I have emailed at least a dozen vendors asking them if thier MR-1 has the white dot sticker on the bottom. All of them have said yes. Same thing with MR-2's as well. At one point I was looking for a MR-1 without the sticker, but wound up just getting another BX-300 istead. jw ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Thu May 24 01:09:48 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:09:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 24 01:34:02 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <390877.87099.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <390877.87099.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4654CF6A.7080709@rcn.com> Bob Naylor wrote: > Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with > dolby B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about > a month ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go > after a 5 which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. > An e-bay success! $240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... -- Ron > Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side > by side, I cannot tell any difference. > > -- Ron > > > Bob Naylor wrote: > > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same > > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that > correct? > > It sure has a great sound.* > > *Bob* > > > > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: > > > > My favorite Nak? > > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. > > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & > > BX-150. > > cheers > > Martin F > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: /LENA WONG / > > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You > > Actually Own)?/ > > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ > > > > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently > > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). > > > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback > > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > > > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. > > > > > > > > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my > > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was > > my first Nak. > > > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak > > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Thu May 24 02:42:00 2007 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:42:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <4654CF6A.7080709@rcn.com> Message-ID: I just purchased a Cr-7 in Mint condition. When i powered it up and during play, the LED on the Fade up ^ button stays ON. I have not yet tested the Fade functions in record mode, just thought it was strange to see the LED lit in play mode. Any other CR5/7 owners out there know what is going on. The playback sounds incredible and the deck is pristine, nor a scratch or a spec of dust. jm >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? >Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:02 -0400 > >Bob Naylor wrote: >>Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with dolby >>B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about a month >>ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go after a 5 >>which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. >>An e-bay success! > >$240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... > >-- Ron > > >>Bob >> >>*/Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side >> by side, I cannot tell any difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Bob Naylor wrote: >> > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same >> > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that >> correct? >> > It sure has a great sound.* >> > *Bob* >> > >> > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: >> > >> > My favorite Nak? >> > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the >>CR7. >> > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & >> > BX-150. >> > cheers >> > Martin F >> > >> > >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From: /LENA WONG / >> > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You >> > Actually Own)?/ >> > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ >> > >> > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently >> > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). >> > >> > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback >> > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. >> > >> > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. >> > >> > >> > >> > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Just thought I would start the day with this question. >> > >> > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? >> > >> > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my >> > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! >> > >> > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was >> > my first Nak. >> > >> > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. >> > >> > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak >> > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! >> > >> > >> > >> > *andy* >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage�get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 24 04:19:42 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <208605.54181.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jacob, The fader light does stay on in all modes of operation. Which light stays on depends on the whether you faded in or faded out last. Get a user manual and you will love the bag of tricks this machines has to offer. However, these tricks are but a layer of cream to the superb sound the machine is capable of. Regards, Bala Jacob Maniyatte wrote: I just purchased a Cr-7 in Mint condition. When i powered it up and during play, the LED on the Fade up ^ button stays ON. I have not yet tested the Fade functions in record mode, just thought it was strange to see the LED lit in play mode. Any other CR5/7 owners out there know what is going on. The playback sounds incredible and the deck is pristine, nor a scratch or a spec of dust. jm >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? >Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:02 -0400 > >Bob Naylor wrote: >>Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with dolby >>B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about a month >>ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go after a 5 >>which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. >>An e-bay success! > >$240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... > >-- Ron > > >>Bob >> >>*/Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side >> by side, I cannot tell any difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Bob Naylor wrote: >> > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same >> > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that >> correct? >> > It sure has a great sound.* >> > *Bob* >> > >> > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: >> > >> > My favorite Nak? >> > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the >>CR7. >> > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & >> > BX-150. >> > cheers >> > Martin F >> > >> > >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From: /LENA WONG / >> > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You >> > Actually Own)?/ >> > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ >> > >> > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently >> > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). >> > >> > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback >> > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. >> > >> > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. >> > >> > >> > >> > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Just thought I would start the day with this question. >> > >> > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? >> > >> > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my >> > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! >> > >> > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was >> > my first Nak. >> > >> > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. >> > >> > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak >> > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! >> > >> > >> > >> > *andy* >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? 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With the back removed, the problem develops as described above without any visible slowing in the primary belt or the motor spindle but I have no way of checking this exactly. Could this be as simple as a belt problem. Could the motor be bad, i.e., slows as it heats up? There is no discernible smell to indicate anything is getting hot. Could it be something else? Action to be taken? Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i�m Initiative now. It�s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu May 24 04:29:40 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <4654CF6A.7080709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <55307.77237.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think you could sell them all day at that price! Bob Ron wrote: Bob Naylor wrote: > Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with > dolby B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about > a month ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go > after a 5 which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. > An e-bay success! $240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... -- Ron > Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side > by side, I cannot tell any difference. > > -- Ron > > > Bob Naylor wrote: > > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same > > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that > correct? > > It sure has a great sound.* > > *Bob* > > > > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: > > > > My favorite Nak? > > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. > > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & > > BX-150. > > cheers > > Martin F > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: /LENA WONG / > > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / > > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You > > Actually Own)?/ > > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ > > > > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently > > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). > > > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback > > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > > > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. > > > > > > > > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Just thought I would start the day with this question. > > > > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? > > > > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my > > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! > > > > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was > > my first Nak. > > > > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. > > > > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak > > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! > > > > > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu May 24 04:32:58 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401645.84001.qm@web82309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jacob, All my Naks with the fade feature do the same. Bob Jacob Maniyatte wrote: I just purchased a Cr-7 in Mint condition. When i powered it up and during play, the LED on the Fade up ^ button stays ON. I have not yet tested the Fade functions in record mode, just thought it was strange to see the LED lit in play mode. Any other CR5/7 owners out there know what is going on. The playback sounds incredible and the deck is pristine, nor a scratch or a spec of dust. jm >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? >Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:02 -0400 > >Bob Naylor wrote: >>Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with dolby >>B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about a month >>ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go after a 5 >>which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. >>An e-bay success! > >$240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... > >-- Ron > > >>Bob >> >>*/Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side >> by side, I cannot tell any difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Bob Naylor wrote: >> > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same >> > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that >> correct? >> > It sure has a great sound.* >> > *Bob* >> > >> > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: >> > >> > My favorite Nak? >> > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the >>CR7. >> > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & >> > BX-150. >> > cheers >> > Martin F >> > >> > >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From: /LENA WONG / >> > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You >> > Actually Own)?/ >> > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ >> > >> > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently >> > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). >> > >> > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback >> > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. >> > >> > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. >> > >> > >> > >> > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Just thought I would start the day with this question. >> > >> > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? >> > >> > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my >> > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! >> > >> > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was >> > my first Nak. >> > >> > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. >> > >> > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak >> > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! What a GREAT sounding amplifier! >> > >> > >> > >> > *andy* >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 24 05:10:47 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <208605.54181.qm@web39615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <797802.19844.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actuallly I believe that Fade down can ONLY be lit in record or record-pause mode after the Fade down button has been pressed. If you change to any other mode it will automatically reset and go to Fade up. Tapping Fade will cause a fade in 4 seconds. Pressing and holding will cause the fade to occur in 2 seconds. My favorite Nak that I actually own is the ZX-7, mainly because of the manual controls for level and bias. Plus having it wireless remote controlled makes it even better www.nakremotes.com. I own the RX-202, RX-505, MR-1, ZX-7 and 480Z. SJ Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Jacob, The fader light does stay on in all modes of operation. Which light stays on depends on the whether you faded in or faded out last. Get a user manual and you will love the bag of tricks this machines has to offer. However, these tricks are but a layer of cream to the superb sound the machine is capable of. Regards, Bala Jacob Maniyatte wrote: I just purchased a Cr-7 in Mint condition. When i powered it up and during play, the LED on the Fade up ^ button stays ON. I have not yet tested the Fade functions in record mode, just thought it was strange to see the LED lit in play mode. Any other CR5/7 owners out there know what is going on. The playback sounds incredible and the deck is pristine, nor a scratch or a spec of dust. jm >From: Ron >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? >Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:34:02 -0400 > >Bob Naylor wrote: >>Thanks Ron. This CR5 sounds incredible! It also sounds great with dolby >>B played back in the car. I think it was you that mentioned about a month >>ago about how nice the 5 & 7 sounded which prompted me to go after a 5 >>which I found on e-bay. $240.00 US dollars. >>An e-bay success! > >$240? Wow! I would have sold you mine for $200 :-(... > >-- Ron > > >>Bob >> >>*/Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> Bob, I have a CR-5 and CR-7. listening to both, side >> by side, I cannot tell any difference. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Bob Naylor wrote: >> > *Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5. I believe it has the same >> > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that >> correct? >> > It sure has a great sound.* >> > *Bob* >> > >> > */martinferreira at hotmail.com/* wrote: >> > >> > My favorite Nak? >> > for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the >>CR7. >> > For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & >> > BX-150. >> > cheers >> > Martin F >> > >> > >> > >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > From: /LENA WONG / >> > Reply-To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > To: /Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks / >> > Subject: /Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You >> > Actually Own)?/ >> > Date: /Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT)/ >> > >> > My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently >> > broken and I have no desire to fix it ). >> > >> > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback >> > commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. >> > >> > For recording and playback through Naks, ZX9 and 682ZX. >> > >> > >> > >> > For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > >> > >> > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Just thought I would start the day with this question. >> > >> > What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? >> > >> > I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my >> > 682ZX...such a warm sound and GREAT looking! >> > >> > My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was >> > my first Nak. >> > >> > Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. >> > >> > ...And my favorite non-deck Nak >> > is my recently-acquired TA-4A! 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If allowed to rest an hour, the deck once again plays as new but > once again develops the same problem. With the back removed, the problem > develops as described above without any visible slowing in the primary belt > or the motor spindle but I have no way of checking this exactly. Could this > be as simple as a belt problem. Could the motor be bad, i.e., slows as it > heats up? There is no discernible smell to indicate anything is getting > hot. Could it be something else? Action to be taken?> Thanks.> > _________________________________________________________________> Make every IM count. 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu May 24 12:34:36 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:34:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Favourite Nak Message-ID: The best Nak I own is the 582. It has a good rich sound to my ears. I have a Cassette Deck 1 which fits the shelf well with other gear but sounds plainer to me. I sold my 550 on the weekend for half what I paid for it. Now I would like to sell the Cassette 1 to get a ZX7 or 9 but they are scarce and expensive in Australia. I am also hanging out for a Receiver TA-4a or TA-3a or possibly a SR-3a but they never show up on Aus ebay. David From nakfan at gmail.com Thu May 24 16:34:26 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:34:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: <6839b2c0705240734y51dabd11m22704237d0a5abc1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? Best Regards, Per Jeff W wrote: > Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through > a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they > were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon > is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. Mike wrote: > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for > playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 24 16:57:41 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:57:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <6839b2c0705240734y51dabd11m22704237d0a5abc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6839b2c0705240734y51dabd11m22704237d0a5abc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4655A7E5.8030203@peromarta.org> Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes are recorded to match one of those two settings. As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type IV, but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with 120us EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... rgds, LP. Per Borgen wrote: > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > Best Regards, Per > > Jeff W wrote: > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > Mike wrote: > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu May 24 17:13:28 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:13:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: Dear Per! Really don't complicate your live...mostly commercial tapes are "Normal" ones 120us EQ...& are indicate on the box label or better cassette sticker...if NOT...sounds with the Dragon TO shrilly change to 70us EQ or press Dolby "B" bottom ON...I can assure you that will sound better. Secondly...I personally NEVER load my Dragon with ANY KIND of old "Commercially" cassettes...as 90% of them the tape is of so badly low quality...that is shame to use them inside a Dragon!!! My personal advise!!! Peace, Alex! > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:34:26 +0200> From: nakfan at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes> > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak)> to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes?> Best Regards, Per> > Jeff W wrote:> > > Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through> > a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they> > were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon> > is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO.> > Mike wrote:> > > At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for> > playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes.> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 24 17:19:08 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:19:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2007 8:00:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... What I mean by "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes" is the second IEC standard vs the original IEC standard used in all Nak decks except the MR-1B and the MR-2B. The second IEC standard was used for virtually all pre-recorded tapes after the mid-80's, while Nak decks were calibrated for the original industry standard after it had been abandoned by every other manufacturer. The EQ curves are different, with the second standard giving a boost of about 4 DB at 15K Hertz. You can actually hear the difference, if you have a sensitive ear. If you look up this issue on Scott Johnson's Geocities info site "Nakamichi Problems" you will find a complete explanation of it. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 24 17:41:43 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:41:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2007 7:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nakfan at gmail.com writes: Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? Best Regards, Per Hi Per, It can be done, but it will kill the high end of your deck's frequency response. That's why Nakamichi didn't make any decks except the MR-1B and the MR-2b with the IEC 2 EQ standard. It's also probably cheaper to just got out and buy a MR-1B. I got one in almost new condition off eBay for $140 including shipping. It would cost you more than that to have your deck re-adjusted. There is a guy here in the SF Bay Area who specializes in that adjustment, Adam Liberman, and he charges about $150 for it I think. If you're looking for a used MR-1B, I would suggest getting one with a date of manufacture after 1990 or so. By that time, virtually everyone who was using a professional cassette deck was already doing most of their work in digital mode, and the MR models from the 90's show a lot less wear than ones used in studios in the 80's. They also have the gear idler. To determine whether or not it's a MR-1B versus a MR-1, ask the vendor if there is a small white dot sticker on the bottom of the deck. If the sticker is there, it's a MR-1B. I was looking for a MR-1 on eBay, but every vendor who I emailed found the white dot sticker on the bottom of their machine and I finally gave up on it. I use my MR-1B for copying old pre-recorded tapes. Works great for that. all the best Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu May 24 17:54:20 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <4655A7E5.8030203@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <611184.85261.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff is talking about IEC-1 and IEC-2 record Rec/Playback EQ curves. All Nak decks before the CR series including the CR-5 and CR-7 are set up for IEC-1. All other CR-series deck and after are set up for IEC-2 the EQ curve used by everyone else in the industry since about 1980. I could be wrong on the decks which are IEC-1 and IEC-2. This is why many have complained that tapes recorded on a Nak sound great played back on a Nak and sound kinda dull on other decks. Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and all other decks are flat. Here is a review of the CR-7A, go to page 6 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_SR_Pg5.html or here on page 1 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_HiFi_Cvr.html As far as I know there is no service bulletin for changing the rec/play EQ on the Dragon to IEC-2. I've never seen one at least. I have the service bulletin for changing the MR-1 to IEC-2 from both Nakamichi and Dolby Labs. It is not a simple adjustment. It involves about a dozen component changes and recalibration using an IEC-2 tape or adjust for a 2dB rise at 18kHz using IEC-1 tape. Scott J. Luis Peromarta wrote: Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes are recorded to match one of those two settings. As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type IV, but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with 120us EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... rgds, LP. Per Borgen wrote: > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > Best Regards, Per > > Jeff W wrote: > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > Mike wrote: > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu May 24 17:38:37 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <4655A7E5.8030203@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <60808.53448.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luis, I have never tried to record on high bias tape with 120us EQ. How do they sound compared to 70us? Bob Luis Peromarta wrote: Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes are recorded to match one of those two settings. As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type IV, but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with 120us EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... rgds, LP. Per Borgen wrote: > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > Best Regards, Per > > Jeff W wrote: > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > Mike wrote: > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 24 19:28:36 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:28:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2007 10:23:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and all other decks are flat. One of my students is an engineer at Dolby Labs in SF and told me that there is a 4 DB rise in the IEC-2 EQ standard around 15K Hertz as compared with the IEC-1 standard - to compensate for crappy frequency response in cheap decks. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu May 24 20:00:44 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <611184.85261.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <260837.86228.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have heard in the past that tapes made on a Nak will sound great when playback on a Nak but will not playback well on a Non-Nak deck. However, I have not heard that a tape recorded on a non-Nak deck plays bad on a Nak deck. If what I understood is correct, then the MR-1B basically is tried to modify the recording equalization to match more to the IEC-2 standard so a tape recorded on the MR-1B will sound good on non-Nak decks. I have close to 5000 commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. I cannot recall any one of them ( not all 5000 ) that I playback in my DRAGONs does not require some kind of NAAC adjustment. However, tapes that I recorded using STUDER A710 when playback through the DRAGONs do not cause the NAAC light to blink at all. Best Regards, Mike Scott Johnson wrote: Jeff is talking about IEC-1 and IEC-2 record Rec/Playback EQ curves. All Nak decks before the CR series including the CR-5 and CR-7 are set up for IEC-1. All other CR-series deck and after are set up for IEC-2 the EQ curve used by everyone else in the industry since about 1980. I could be wrong on the decks which are IEC-1 and IEC-2. This is why many have complained that tapes recorded on a Nak sound great played back on a Nak and sound kinda dull on other decks. Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and all other decks are flat. Here is a review of the CR-7A, go to page 6 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_SR_Pg5.html or here on page 1 http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_HiFi_Cvr.html As far as I know there is no service bulletin for changing the rec/play EQ on the Dragon to IEC-2. I've never seen one at least. I have the service bulletin for changing the MR-1 to IEC-2 from both Nakamichi and Dolby Labs. It is not a simple adjustment. It involves about a dozen component changes and recalibration using an IEC-2 tape or adjust for a 2dB rise at 18kHz using IEC-1 tape. Scott J. Luis Peromarta wrote: Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes are recorded to match one of those two settings. As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type IV, but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with 120us EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... rgds, LP. Per Borgen wrote: > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > Best Regards, Per > > Jeff W wrote: > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > Mike wrote: > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu May 24 20:11:23 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:11:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <611184.85261.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <611184.85261.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4655D54B.9020005@otenet.gr> Hi everybody, i do have a DR-1 which was bought early 90's, is there any info on which ICE standard this deck complies with? One thing i know is that i agree with Alex about not using old pre-recorded tapes on the Dragon.......I prefer playing them on the DR-1 instead even though this deck is made in Japan(!) and not S. Korea as i have recently read (with a ? or without it!), at least that is what i read on the back of the deck! And it plays really well too! Scott Johnson wrote: > Jeff is talking about IEC-1 and IEC-2 record Rec/Playback EQ curves. > All Nak decks before the CR series including the CR-5 and CR-7 are set > up for IEC-1. All other CR-series deck and after are set up for IEC-2 > the EQ curve used by everyone else in the industry since about 1980. > I could be wrong on the decks which are IEC-1 and IEC-2. This is why > many have complained that tapes recorded on a Nak sound great played > back on a Nak and sound kinda dull on other decks. > > Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF > frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and > all other decks are flat. > Here is a review of the CR-7A, go to page 6 > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_SR_Pg5.html > or here on page 1 > http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_HiFi_Cvr.html > As far as I know there is no service bulletin for changing the > rec/play EQ on the Dragon to IEC-2. I've never seen one at least. I > have the service bulletin for changing the MR-1 to IEC-2 from both > Nakamichi and Dolby Labs. It is not a simple adjustment. It involves > about a dozen component changes and recalibration using an IEC-2 tape > or adjust for a 2dB rise at 18kHz using IEC-1 tape. > > Scott J. > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. > Tapes > are recorded to match one of those two settings. > > As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and > type IV, > but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with > 120us > EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. > > I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded > tapes"... > > rgds, LP. > > Per Borgen wrote: > > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > > Best Regards, Per > > > > Jeff W wrote: > > > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through > >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they > >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon > >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > > > Mike wrote: > > > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for > >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 24 21:05:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:05:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/2007 11:12:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: If what I understood is correct, then the MR-1B basically is tried to modify the recording equalization to match more to the IEC-2 standard so a tape recorded on the MR-1B will sound good on non-Nak decks. Simply put, the MR-1B and the MR-2B are made to the IEC-2 standard. JW ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Fri May 25 00:29:45 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cc47db60705241529j96df6a2na0e214e5e5b5c244@mail.gmail.com> Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hello my dear Buddies, > > Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! > > BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY > > For your enjoyment, > > Peace, > > Alex! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it > out! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <976677.32002.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, My favorite is : ........ the 500 , considering analogic reproduction, I read the name Tandberg on this forum .... then the 700 II seems very precise, Bx series : hemm, the CR 2 is more nervous Audiophil regards, Guschty Le 23 mai 07, à 21:30, Bob Naylor a écrit : > Martin, I have a newly acquired CR5.  I believe it has the same > electronics as the CR7 with less bells and whistles, is that correct?  > It sure has a great sound. > Bob > > martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: >> My favorite Nak? >> for the ultimate in cassette sound reproduction technology the CR7. >> For the tecnhical simplicity and easiness to repair the: BX-125 & >> BX-150. >> cheers >> Martin F >> >> >>> >>> From:  LENA WONG >>> Reply-To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> To:  Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject:  Re: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually >>> Own)? >>> Date:  Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>> My favorite Nak was the 700ZXL ( unfortunately it is currently >>> broken and I have no desire to fix it ). >>>    >>> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for playback >>> commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. >>>    >>> For recording and playback through Naks,  ZX9 and 682ZX. >>>    >>>   >>>    >>> For non-Nak, TEAC Z-5000. >>>    >>>   >>>    >>>   >>>    >>> Mike >>>    >>> >>> >>> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>>    >>>> Just thought I would start the day with this question. >>>> >>>> What is your favorite Nak -- that you actually own? >>>> >>>> I would have to say that my current favorite Nak is my 682ZX...such >>>> a warm sound and GREAT looking! >>>> >>>> My sentimental favorite is still my BX-300, because it was my first >>>> Nak. >>>> >>>> Just got a ZX-7, but haven't had time to check it out yet. >>>> >>>> ...And my favorite non-deck Nak >>>> is my recently-acquired TA-4A! 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Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500From: dieseldude1 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 25 01:37:59 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Message-ID: <697C6E93-9536-43B4-BC4E-3419FAA9B663@alumni.caltech.edu> > A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable > (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel > CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. Ah, another B79x/29x owner. We don't seem real common :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 25 04:27:53 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! In-Reply-To: <697C6E93-9536-43B4-BC4E-3419FAA9B663@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <73732.62061.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, never been fan of linear tracking TTs. Hooked onto unipivots now. I also noticed the Alex has the Grado Prestige Silver... like it Alex? Bala "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. Ah, another B79x/29x owner. We don't seem real common :-).-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri May 25 08:04:19 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:04:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <60808.53448.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <60808.53448.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46567C63.6020205@peromarta.org> Different ... The response is not as flat. But you need to adjust at least bias to match the 120us setting. The EQ setting does NOT affect the recording itself, but the new bias setting to match the 120us EQ. rgds, LP. Bob Naylor wrote: > *Luis, I have never tried to record on high bias tape with 120us EQ. > How do they sound compared to 70us?* > *Bob* > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes > are recorded to match one of those two settings. > > As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type > IV, > but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with > 120us > EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. > > I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded > tapes"... > > rgds, LP. > > Per Borgen wrote: > > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > > Best Regards, Per > > > > Jeff W wrote: > > > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through > >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they > >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon > >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > > > Mike wrote: > > > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for > >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri May 25 02:13:47 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <154627.88465.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All CR-3's come from the factory with gear idlers. If you are having problems that seem like it's the idler then it might be the motor itself. SJ Kenneth A Kiesow wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. 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URL: From flifton at mac.com Fri May 25 03:36:35 2007 From: flifton at mac.com (Fred Lifton) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:36:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What Is Your Favorite Nak (That You Actually Own)? In-Reply-To: <200705241000.l4OA06BX014847@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705241000.l4OA06BX014847@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <18A3D847-28B1-4673-A7B7-B65A58F6B7DF@mac.com> I have 4 Naks: A ZX-7 that got the full ESL treatment. An LX-3 tuned by Stephen Sank A CR3 restored by Marc Nutter A CR3 tuned by Kannan. My favorite by far is the ZX7. Even my many tapes made on other machines (usually my old Sony TC-K81) sound absolutely stunning on that deck. And the recordings are simply spectacular. Live recordings are downright spooky. The bass is so warm and rich. The LX3 sounds lovely for such a modest deck, and it looks great in the living room. The CR-3's I like quite well, they just don't have the magic of the ZX-7. cheers, Fred From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri May 25 03:54:33 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 01:54:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Message-ID: Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace,ALEX! From: kenakiesow at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos!Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500From: dieseldude1 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Change is good. 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Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Create the ultimate e-mail address book. 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THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR ALL THE HELP! *andy* From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 25 09:34:05 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:34:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes/Ronan - DR-1 Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Ronan and all on Naktalk, A 4dB rise in relative senstitivity off any line (-20/-10/0dB) especially at the 15kHz notch is an astonishing rise and frankly I have never seen it - the highest (hockey stick type) rises being seen in odd-ball formulations (such as type IV for use at the type II position) e.g. TDK HXS, That's CD-MH and EMX and to some extent Denon HD8. In those models, plots would be gently inclined from the upper midrange, then go roughly parabolic inititiating a climb at about 18kHz and being approx. vertical at 19.5kHz. For a test tape to mimic that would require tape deck manufacturers to over-bias by a corresponding amount, resulting in plummeting responses (dull and muffled sounding) on tapes that sported flatter senstitvities (such as all those nice expensive tapes you bought last year). Naturally those manufacturers would have had no desire to commit financial suicide. Reference Tapes were issued by the IEC, partly as a guideline for tape manufacturers and partly as a guideline to hardware manufacturers. Neither party paid much attention. One obvious one was that music lovers did not buy new decks every time the IEC issued a new reference. Ronan - your DR1 should (please read:might) match the IEC94 ref applicable to the period for the 3 positions. I however doubt whether a Nakamichi Deck would fully conform and these ref. tapes are tough to find. I think I have the ref number for the '91 - '94 metals and will post it over the weekend. For your information, the Sony Metal-XR was as near a clone to the ref at the time, and the Maxell MX extremely close with a miniscule hump in the upper midrange (roughly 0.1dB). To give you the effect of outrageous formulae that disregarded the sober guidelines of the IEC, read this: ************************************* Here's an extract from the 1992 winter revised tape review from Hi-Fi Choice on Taiyo Yuden's "That's CD-MH". ************************************************************** "And now for something completely different. A thoroughly wild formulation that laughs in the face of IEC compatibility, preferring, instead, to emulate the rock 'n roll balance of old-timers like EM-X. Yep, CD-MH is another of those outlandish metal-for- Type II jobbies, a type that'll absorb more white-hot treble than any competing pseudochrome. Clearly the solid, beefy and lively sound of CD-MH will appeal to those fanatics who used to used to swear by Memorex's CDXII, another Type IV designed to operate at the lower Type II bias. Either way I'd still suggest you slug CD-MH with extra bias before recording. Why? Well just look at that sensitivity trend with it's enhanced bass, depressed upper midband and stinging high treble. In this regard, CD-MH mimics a dual layer tape like BASF Chrome Maxima II or Fuji JP-IIx. Neither of these tapes will match it's SAT performance but high levels of hiss leave CD-MH with a meagre dynamic range. This is a hybrid tape and one that sits uneasily in either metal or Type II positions. Try it, if you dare." Test results: Formulation: Type II, Metal Alloy Sensitivity: +1.5dB Relative sensitivity: -1.0dB MOL 315Hz: +2.5dB Hiss: -55.5dB Dynamic Range: 58.0 dB Modulation noise: -40.8 dB Consistency: 91% Price: UK Sterling 2.99 The sensitivity graph indicates a reading plotted along the demanding 0 dB line; the plot rises from zero at 20Hz to about +0.3dB at 100Hz, peaking at no more than +0.5dB at 400Hz, then desending gradually to zero dB (in line with the reference reading) at 1 kHz, then desends to a low relative sensitivity of -1.2dB at about 8.5kHz and then picks up parabolically to +3dB at 20 KHz (and still climbing). ************************************************************************ >>> Bansijeff at aol.com 5/24/2007 7:28:36 PM >>> In a message dated 5/24/2007 10:23:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and all other decks are flat. One of my students is an engineer at Dolby Labs in SF and told me that there is a 4 DB rise in the IEC-2 EQ standard around 15K Hertz as compared with the IEC-1 standard - to compensate for crappy frequency response in cheap decks. Jeff W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From spmontgomery at ntlworld.com Fri May 25 09:50:22 2007 From: spmontgomery at ntlworld.com (Shaun Montgomery) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:50:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <46567C63.6020205@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <004a01c79ea1$5a0fb2d0$7300a8c0@Shaun> When I tried this on my Aiwa 3500 I found that the treble respose was too harsh when played back on the 120us setting and too muted when on the 70us setting. Shaun -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: 25 May 2007 07:04 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Different ... The response is not as flat. But you need to adjust at least bias to match the 120us setting. The EQ setting does NOT affect the recording itself, but the new bias setting to match the 120us EQ. rgds, LP From luis at peromarta.org Fri May 25 12:29:19 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:29:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Record EQ Modification In-Reply-To: <052520070326.12792.465657710004E509000031F822165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052520070326.12792.465657710004E509000031F822165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4656BA7F.1050608@peromarta.org> docs and info appreciated to post on the naks wiki page. Thanks, rgds, LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, Ron: > > Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm very experience with PCB work, so I shouldn't have any worries there. > > I was just unfamiliar with exactly what changes the record EQ modification called for. > > Fortunately, Emmanuel has very kindly provided the necessary information on the modification supplies and procedures, so all systems are go as soon as I receive my new CR-7a! > > THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR ALL THE HELP! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fsclaol at yahoo.com Fri May 25 19:27:52 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes Message-ID: <425739.5364.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just came across my "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. In the liner notes: "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during duplication." "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 25 18:19:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:19:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070525111914.00881da0@earthlink.net> Jeff and all, The EQ change can be done. It is 4 parts. The record EQ can then be set for flat, so there is no frequency response problem. What does change in recordings is a slight loss of high frequency head room, and a rise in harmonic distortion, due to underbiasing. On a 3 head deck the change would be slight. On a 2 head you might have to keep it out of the red. tom brucker At 11:41 AM 5/24/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> In a message dated 5/24/2007 7:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nakfan at gmail.com writes: Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? Best Regards, Per Hi Per, It can be done, but it will kill the high end of your deck's frequency response. That's why Nakamichi didn't make any decks except the MR-1B and the MR-2b with the IEC 2 EQ standard. It's also probably cheaper to just got out and buy a MR-1B. I got one in almost new condition off eBay for $140 including shipping. It would cost you more than that to have your deck re-adjusted. There is a guy here in the SF Bay Area who specializes in that adjustment, Adam Liberman, and he charges about $150 for it I think. If you're looking for a used MR-1B, I would suggest getting one with a date of manufacture after 1990 or so. By that time, virtually everyone who was using a professional cassette deck was already doing most of their work in digital mode, and the MR models from the 90's show a lot less wear than ones used in studios in the 80's. They also have the gear idler. To determine whether or not it's a MR-1B versus a MR-1, ask the vendor if there is a small white dot sticker on the bottom of the deck. If the sticker is there, it's a MR-1B. I was looking for a MR-1 on eBay, but every vendor who I emailed found the white dot sticker on the bottom of their machine and I finally gave up on it. I use my MR-1B for copying old pre-recorded tapes. Works great for that. all the best Jeff W ---------- See what's free at AOL.com. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 25 18:19:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:19:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes In-Reply-To: <260837.86228.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <611184.85261.qm@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070525111914.00881da0@earthlink.net> Commercial tapes (except the expensive chrome "real time" tapes are made at 60 ips on a high speed duplicator. That they skew is not suprising!!!! tom brucker At 11:00 AM 5/24/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> I have heard in the past that tapes made on a Nak will sound great when playback on a Nak but will not playback well on a Non-Nak deck. However, I have not heard that a tape recorded on a non-Nak deck plays bad on a Nak deck. If what I understood is correct, then the MR-1B basically is tried to modify the recording equalization to match more to the IEC-2 standard so a tape recorded on the MR-1B will sound good on non-Nak decks. I have close to 5000 commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. I cannot recall any one of them ( not all 5000 ) that I playback in my DRAGONs does not require some kind of NAAC adjustment. However, tapes that I recorded using STUDER A710 when playback through the DRAGONs do not cause the NAAC light to blink at all. Best Regards, Mike Scott Johnson wrote: Jeff is talking about IEC-1 and IEC-2 record Rec/Playback EQ curves. All Nak decks before the CR series including the CR-5 and CR-7 are set up for IEC-1. All other CR-series deck and after are set up for IEC-2 the EQ curve used by everyone else in the industry since about 1980. I could be wrong on the decks which are IEC-1 and IEC-2. This is why many have complained that tapes recorded on a Nak sound great played back on a Nak and sound kinda dull on other decks. Ever seen a test report where the FR using a IEC-standard BASF frequency response tape had a 2dB rise at the highest frequency and all other decks are flat. Here is a review of the CR-7A, go to page 6 http://w ww.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_SR_Pg5.html or here on page 1 http:/ /www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Reviews/CR-7A_HiFi_Cvr.html As far as I know there is no service bulletin for changing the rec/play EQ on the Dragon to IEC-2. I've never seen one at least. I have the service bulletin for changing the MR-1 to IEC-2 from both Nakamichi and Dolby Labs. It is not a simple adjustment. It involves about a dozen component changes and recalibration using an IEC-2 tape or adjust for a 2dB rise at 18kHz using IEC-1 tape. Scott J. Luis Peromarta wrote: Playback EQ is fixed at 70us or 120us. Nothing adjustable there. Tapes are recorded to match one of those two settings. As standard, 120us is used for Type I, and 70us for type II and type IV, but you can override these settings, i.e. if record a Type II with 120us EQ, you should listen to it at that EQ setting. I don't know what Jeff means with "the right EQ for pre-recorded tapes"... rgds, LP. Per Borgen wrote: > Hi, Would it be possible to adjust a Dragon (or any Nak) > to the EQ used in most commercial pre-recorded tapes? > Best Regards, Per > > Jeff W wrote: > >> Try playing commercial pre-recorded tapes back through >> a MR-1B sometime. That actually has the EQ curve they >> were recorded with. The azimuth alignment of the Dragon >> is good, but the right EQ is even better, IMO. > > Mike wrote: > >> At current time my favorite Nak is the DRAGON for >> playback commerical pre-recorded cassette tapes. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.========---------------------------------------------------------== ======= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 25 18:19:13 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:19:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070525111913.00881c70@earthlink.net> Alex, Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these rules. tom brucker At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace, ALEX! ---------- From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. ---------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W JeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! ---------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. <'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 25 18:52:00 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070525115200.00886d50@earthlink.net> Eva, The 700 has a servo capstan motor. It sould maintain speed. From your description I believe the pitch control may require cleaning. Try recording for 15 minutes. If the deck performs well, then it would certainly be the pitch control. An alternate theory is that the capstan motor power supply is overheating and causing a loss of power, slowing the motor. Looking from the rear what you see are the 2 capstan flywheels driven by a flat belt, and an elaborate triangular clutch and idler mechanism driving the reels. It is much more common to have reel cluch problems, and tape motion belt problems. I went through a 700 for Jon Ochi that was about $220. He got my last Nak capstan belt. Fred has 700 kits with all the belts. I'd be happy to get your beauty running properly. tom brucker At 07:01 PM 5/23/07 -0700, you wrote: >I have a Nakamichi TriTracer 700 that has been stored for a number of years. > After about 5 minutes of play from cold start an easily discernible wow >develops in both channels and the tone drops as if the tape speed was >slowing. This slowing continues until the tape stops altogether at about >the 10th minute. The tape can be made to play again but slows to a stop >almost instantly. This appears to happen with all tapes, regardless of age >or type. If allowed to rest an hour, the deck once again plays as new but >once again develops the same problem. With the back removed, the problem >develops as described above without any visible slowing in the primary belt >or the motor spindle but I have no way of checking this exactly. Could this >be as simple as a belt problem. Could the motor be bad, i.e., slows as it >heats up? There is no discernible smell to indicate anything is getting >hot. Could it be something else? Action to be taken? > Thanks. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make every IM count. 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri May 25 20:49:28 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:49:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 gear drive and record EQ mod Message-ID: <518b7b10705251149u3884fb1dy82c92477a375f927@mail.gmail.com> Just to reconfirm: S/N after 08677 have the recod EQ fixed and S/N after around 09400 have the gear drive factory installed, right ? In other words, a S/N 10501 should have both in place ? George From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri May 25 20:23:35 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:23:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Part For 680 Series Deck Message-ID: <052520071823.5681.465729A7000292BE0000163122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am looking for rack handles or end pieces for a 680 series deck (680, 681, 682). Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks! *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Fri May 25 20:23:13 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes In-Reply-To: <425739.5364.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503854.82298.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred: With all respect, do your various sources include analog/digital masters? I assume your various sources include LPs and CDs at least. Mike "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I just came across my "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. In the liner notes: "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during duplication." "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 25 20:41:55 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:41:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070525111913.00881c70@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070525111913.00881c70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46572DF3.20507@rcn.com> Hi Tech wrote: > Alex, > Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able > to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to > hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like > Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully > measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the > arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America > we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each > record...a can of worms. While record thickness does vary, the difference (less than 1 mm) is not enough to make a difference with arms of average length. For a 9" arm, this can amount to 0.25 degree at most. > You have the correct approach, to listen rather > than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to > level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a > spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. Nor is it necessary with the ReVox. VTA is automatically correct if you install the cartridge using the ReVox jig that comes with the turntable. ReVox supplies plastic spacers that are installed under the cartridge to bring it up to the correct height. Without the jig, it's a trial and error process that can take a good hour to do accurately. Compare this to the Dual 5000 (my other turntable), that has an adjustable head shell. All you do is dial in the number provided in the instructions. Takes 3 seconds. -- Ron > I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these > rules. > > tom brucker > > At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: > Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on > the album on your turntable? > > It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive > ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the > record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the > turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon > Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the > front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high > relative easy + accurately. > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > ---------- > From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot > stereo gear photos! > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 > > .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass > {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, > > Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! > > Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on > the album on your turntable? > > Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: > > BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to > have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this > point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. > > CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear > upgrade. > > RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. > Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? > > Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. > I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to > be a Dragon!). > > Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with > what I have currently. > > I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, > what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. > Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I > can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I > want to). > > A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not > currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 > speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. > > > > > ---------- > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 > From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot > stereo gear photos! > > Hey Alex, > > Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud > owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. > > Happy Listening, > Samuel Crider > > On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac > <alexcozac at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello my dear Buddies, > > Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! > > BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! > > XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W > JeXutXAjRY > > For your enjoyment, > > Peace, > > Alex! > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri May 25 21:56:23 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:56:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Part For 680 Series Deck In-Reply-To: <052520071823.5681.465729A7000292BE0000163122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052520071823.5681.465729A7000292BE0000163122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46573F67.1070309@xs4all.nl> Have been looking for the rack handles also, as well as those for HighComII and NR-200. Maybe someone on the list has the contacts to duplicate these, Rack handles and/or plates. Anyone? Wouter hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I am looking for rack handles or end pieces for a 680 series deck (680, 681, 682). Any help would be much appreciated! > > Thanks! > > *andy* > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri May 25 21:09:06 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:09:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! Message-ID: <0DDD1606-EF95-4263-BF2B-99523B871381@alumni.caltech.edu> > All you do is dial in the number provided in > the instructions. Takes 3 seconds. ...unless you've lost the instructions :-).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Fri May 25 22:08:36 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:08:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: Part For 680 Series Deck Message-ID: I'd like a five of sets of side plates for the 680 if anyone does manage to make any. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 25 22:48:17 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070525111913.00881c70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <323003.87577.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees forward which has worked well. Bala Hi Tech wrote: Alex, Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these rules. tom brucker At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace, ALEX! ---------- From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. ---------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W JeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! ---------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. =RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. <'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any help would be much appreciated! > > Thanks! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri May 25 23:15:15 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:15:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <323003.87577.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi - Arm height has always been the least precise part of turntable setup. Each cutting facility seems to chose its own VTA. With a quality system, you can absolutely hear the difference when you get the VTA exactly right. It's why each of us has a few records in our collection which sound better, cleaner and more detailed than all the others. I have had clients who cut shims out of various thicknesses of paper and cardboard, listened exhaustively to each record and decided which shim got the VTA just right, then labeled the record. I always thought that bordered on insanity! (Plus, in exchange for correct VTA, you sacrifice any disc dampening done by a good matt and clamp). After years of high-end turntable setup, my answer is to set it as close to level as you can without going crazy (I use a small metal ruler, place the stylus on the lead-out grooves and check near the headshell and near the outside of the disc and the center of the arm tube). Very few records will be exact, but all will be within a reasonable range. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! Hi, Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees forward which has worked well. Bala Hi Tech wrote: Alex, Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these rules. tom brucker At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace, ALEX! ---------- From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. ---------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authk ey=W JeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! ---------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. =RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out! ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. 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URL: From jochi at qwest.net Fri May 25 23:30:18 2007 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:30:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070525115200.00886d50@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.3.32.20070525115200.00886d50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45BE2715-DA0C-4893-8B0B-6B9A6A198FA2@qwest.net> I might add that I am enjoying the Nak 700 that Tom repaired for me. I love the sound and the deck has been recording flawlessly thanks to Tom. Jon Ochi On May 25, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Hi Tech wrote: > Eva, > > The 700 has a servo capstan motor. It sould maintain speed. > From your > description I believe the pitch control may require cleaning. Try > recording > for 15 minutes. If the deck performs well, then it would certainly > be the > pitch control. An alternate theory is that the capstan motor power > supply > is overheating and causing a loss of power, slowing the motor. > Looking > from the rear what you see are the 2 capstan flywheels driven by a > flat > belt, and an elaborate triangular clutch and idler mechanism > driving the > reels. It is much more common to have reel cluch problems, and tape > motion > belt problems. > I went through a 700 for Jon Ochi that was about $220. He got > my last > Nak capstan belt. Fred has 700 kits with all the belts. I'd be > happy to get > your beauty running properly. > > tom brucker > > At 07:01 PM 5/23/07 -0700, you wrote: >> I have a Nakamichi TriTracer 700 that has been stored for a number >> of years. >> After about 5 minutes of play from cold start an easily >> discernible wow >> develops in both channels and the tone drops as if the tape speed was >> slowing. This slowing continues until the tape stops altogether >> at about >> the 10th minute. The tape can be made to play again but slows to >> a stop >> almost instantly. This appears to happen with all tapes, >> regardless of age >> or type. If allowed to rest an hour, the deck once again plays as >> new but >> once again develops the same problem. With the back removed, the >> problem >> develops as described above without any visible slowing in the >> primary belt >> or the motor spindle but I have no way of checking this exactly. >> Could this >> be as simple as a belt problem. Could the motor be bad, i.e., >> slows as it >> heats up? There is no discernible smell to indicate anything is >> getting >> hot. Could it be something else? Action to be taken? >> Thanks. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m >> Initiative now. >> It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 26 00:05:48 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <778863.69129.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Hermann, During the 90s, the wisdom was to set the cart body parallel to the record itself. But since then, opinions as well as cart designs have changed. The method I use is almost similar to yours where I stop the record and get the stylus to be perfectly vertical. Some carts track and sound better with a slight forward tilt. Experimenting with many carts of various quality, I start off by putting the stylus vertical, and then adjust to get a good balance of focus and sound-stage balance. Too little and the sound is closed-in like a lump between two speakers. Too much and the sound is polarized between either speakers. This method has worked for fixed vta arms like the venerable Rega RB300. I suggest we move this topic to Audiotalk due to its general nature. Bala Willy Hermann wrote: Hi - Arm height has always been the least precise part of turntable setup. Each cutting facility seems to chose its own VTA. With a quality system, you can absolutely hear the difference when you get the VTA exactly right. It's why each of us has a few records in our collection which sound better, cleaner and more detailed than all the others. I have had clients who cut shims out of various thicknesses of paper and cardboard, listened exhaustively to each record and decided which shim got the VTA just right, then labeled the record. I always thought that bordered on insanity! (Plus, in exchange for correct VTA, you sacrifice any disc dampening done by a good matt and clamp). After years of high-end turntable setup, my answer is to set it as close to level as you can without going crazy (I use a small metal ruler, place the stylus on the lead-out grooves and check near the headshell and near the outside of the disc and the center of the arm tube). Very few records will be exact, but all will be within a reasonable range. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! Hi, Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees forward which has worked well. Bala Hi Tech wrote: Alex, Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these rules. tom brucker At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace, ALEX! ---------- From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. ---------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W JeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! ---------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. =RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. <'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <0JIM00KKICNQAO30@smtp5.clear.net.nz> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140121917025 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 26 01:12:47 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:12:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <323003.87577.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.3.32.20070525111913.00881c70@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070525181247.0087a540@earthlink.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 7104 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat May 26 03:00:30 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 01:00:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mint BX-125 - yeah right! In-Reply-To: <0JIM00KKICNQAO30@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 26 04:45:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:45:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <0DDD1606-EF95-4263-BF2B-99523B871381@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <0DDD1606-EF95-4263-BF2B-99523B871381@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <46579F50.80006@rcn.com> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> All you do is dial in the number provided in >> the instructions. Takes 3 seconds. > > ...unless you've lost the instructions :-).-kby You don't have to remember the settings for all the cartridges in the world. My Shure V-15VMR takes +1. I can remember that. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 26 04:47:58 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:47:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <323003.87577.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <323003.87577.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46579FDE.6010807@rcn.com> Actually, arm angle is unimportant. It's the cartridge that has to be at a specific angle to the record surface. -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a > spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to > ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees > forward which has worked well. > > Bala > > */Hi Tech /* wrote: > > Alex, > Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able > to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite > difficult to > hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like > Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully > measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the > arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In > America > we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each > record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather > than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to > level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height > with a > spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do > this. > I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these > rules. > > tom brucker > > At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: > >>>> > Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue > thing on > the album on your turntable? > > It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG > expensive > ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation > to the > record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the > turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon > Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the > front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the > arm high > relative easy + accurately. > > Peace, > > ALEX! > > > > ---------- > From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot > stereo gear photos! > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 > > .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass > {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, > > Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! > > Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue > thing on > the album on your turntable? > > Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: > > BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to > have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this > point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. > > CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear > upgrade. > > RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. > Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? > > Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic > sound. > I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I > want to > be a Dragon!). > > Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with > what I have currently. > > I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings > digital, > what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. > Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I > can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor > would I > want to). > > A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not > currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 > speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. > > > > > ---------- > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 > From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot > stereo gear photos! > > Hey Alex, > > Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm > a proud > owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. > > Happy Listening, > Samuel Crider > > On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac > wrote: > Hello my dear Buddies, > > Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! > > BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! > > XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W > JeXutXAjRY > > For your enjoyment, > > Peace, > > Alex! > > > > > > > ---------- > Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. > =RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/li > stinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ---------- > Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows > Live Hotmail. > <'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > <<<< > > > Tom Brucker CSM > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 > mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > > in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 26 04:52:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:52:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 gear drive and record EQ mod In-Reply-To: <518b7b10705251149u3884fb1dy82c92477a375f927@mail.gmail.com> References: <518b7b10705251149u3884fb1dy82c92477a375f927@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4657A0EF.3080008@rcn.com> george valkov wrote: > Just to reconfirm: S/N after 08677 have the recod EQ fixed and S/N > after around 09400 have the gear drive factory installed, right ? In > other words, a S/N 10501 should have both in place ? > > George Correct for the EQ. I'm not sure about the S/N for the gear idler. I've heard different numbers from different people, some of them higher than 10000. -- Ron From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat May 26 06:18:32 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:18:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! Message-ID: To all my dears heart full Turntable fans (As me!). Yes Bala wrote what 100% works for "Van De Hul" type cartridges! Works mainly for those cartridges MAINLY!!!. Yes also Tom I once own the same Lustre that you mentioned...for the same reason that "WAS" possible to adjust the VTA during playing a record. was mounted during more of 3 decades ago on a Garrard 301/ll turntable...at that time I was using mainly Shure type MM cartridges & the Lustre if I recall well was a 500 series model, NOT exactly ideally; because the arm high mass; to match Shure high compliance stylus system. After so I change to SME 309 series 2 detachable shell same problem NOT ideally match for my Shure Type 3 that I loved so much during that epoch...change for the same arm with "FIXED" shell much better matching...changed again for as (!978) newer Series 3 ultra low mass "Titanium" S shape arm...IDEALLY for all the Shure top of the line series cartridges (Still with me...boxed not use it for more of 10 years!), but NOT for sale (Today discontinued...PITY!!!). So when finally decided to use MC type cartridges I selected "Best value for my money"...this currently in use Rega RB-300 arm...today fitted with the Top of the line Ortofon Jubilee low output MC cartridge. So concerning to the "NOMINALLY RIGHT" VTA for this specific "Combo", (BTW...extremely difficulty to fine tuning set up...FIXED high...must use spacer/s each time that you want to change the VTA!!!, after wasting many hours with an a "Average Thickness), vinyl record (Not a RCA Dynaflex...OF COURSE Also NOT a Audiophile one also)...using this AKG alignment device I do the job at what my hears hear as the best reproduction...&...be 100% sure that with RCA Dynaflex & or thicker ones I compromise. Folks...hope that all of you comprehend well my explication? Peace,ALEX! From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos!Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:15:15 -0700 Hi - Arm height has always been the least precise part of turntable setup. Each cutting facility seems to chose its own VTA. With a quality system, you can absolutely hear the difference when you get the VTA exactly right. It's why each of us has a few records in our collection which sound better, cleaner and more detailed than all the others. I have had clients who cut shims out of various thicknesses of paper and cardboard, listened exhaustively to each record and decided which shim got the VTA just right, then labeled the record. I always thought that bordered on insanity! (Plus, in exchange for correct VTA, you sacrifice any disc dampening done by a good matt and clamp). After years of high-end turntable setup, my answer is to set it as close to level as you can without going crazy (I use a small metal ruler, place the stylus on the lead-out grooves and check near the headshell and near the outside of the disc and the center of the arm tube). Very few records will be exact, but all will be within a reasonable range. Willy Hermann -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh ChandraSent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:48 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! Hi, Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees forward which has worked well. BalaHi Tech wrote: Alex,Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is ableto smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult tohear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, likeEmmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefullymeasured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower thearm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In Americawe have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for eachrecord...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen ratherthan trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is tolevel the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with aspirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this.I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow theserules.tom bruckerAt 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>>Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing onthe album on your turntable?It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensiveones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to therecord , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to theturntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/OrtofonJubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that thefront cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm highrelative easy + accurately.Peace,ALEX!----------From: kenakiesow at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereo gear photos!Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600.ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all,Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here!Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing onthe album on your turntable?Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment:BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had tohave it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at thispoint, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day..CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gearupgrade.RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound.Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say?Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound.I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want tobe a Dragon!).Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy withwhat I have currently.I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital,what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit.Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because Ican't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would Iwant to).A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (notcurrently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5speakers. It's a nice sounding little system.----------Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500From: dieseldude1 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shotstereo gear photos!Hey Alex,Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proudowner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening,Samuel CriderOn 5/21/07, Alex Cozac wrote: Hello my dear Buddies,Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear!BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos!XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=WJeXutXAjRYFor your enjoyment,Peace,Alex!----------Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail.=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out!========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today!http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========----------Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to WindowsLive Hotmail.<'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========<<< From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sat May 26 10:00:39 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:00:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mint BX-125 - yeah right! References: <0JIM00KKICNQAO30@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <000801c79f6b$f3ada8f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> C what U mean. All I can say is that dust & grime travels better through carboard in the USA than it does [even] in the UK. Surely a joke ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Dickel" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Mint BX-125 - yeah right! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140121917025 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: > 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 16:01 > > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 26 11:02:32 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 02:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till todayshotstereogear photos! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20070525181247.0087a540@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <240700.61319.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All modern arms are tapered in order to attenuate resonance and standing waves on the arm wand. If they aren't tapered, they use concentric steel tubes. The 2-3 degrees worked for many carts like Benz Micro, Goldring, Ikeda, Lyra and Clearaudio. It is a good starting point for those arms with VTA adjust and a good setting for those arms without any adjustment. Bala Hi Tech wrote: I think the SME IV was tapered. Can't think of any others. You are correct, the head shell would have to suffice. Any forward VTA is agressive sounding. I wonder if Van Den Hul mounts his diamonds to compensate for most turntables' negative VTA??? Wow. Learned something good today! tom brucker At 01:48 PM 5/25/07 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Hi, Most arm tubes are tapered down towards the headshell.. using a spirit to level them is going to angle the arm arm causing the cart to ride up. Van den Hul advised me to fix VTA to about 2 to 3 degrees forward which has worked well. Bala Hi Tech < wrote: Alex, Arm height is "a can of worms" . I use the Lustre arm which is able to smoothly dial the arm height during play. I found it quite difficult to hear the effect, except with female vocalists with higher voices, like Emmylou Harris. I read that cutting stylus angles were not carefully measured (and this is what we try and match when we raise and lower the arm), and the actual record thickness also changes the height. In America we have the paper thin Dynagrooves. IMO arm height is different for each record...a can of worms. You have the correct approach, to listen rather than trust measurements completely. A second way to level the arm is to level the table everyone should do this) and then set the arm height with a spirit level on the arm tube. Those with the Revox are unable to do this. I know some here like the old Decca, and the Decca does not follow these rules. tom brucker At 01:54 AM 5/25/07 +0000, you wrote: >>>> Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? It's a AKG set up alignment tool which was supplied with each AKG expensive ones mm cartridge. I use mainly to adjust the arm high in relation to the record , as mostly arm MUST be parallel with the cartridge fitted to the turntable platter/vinyl record on it. In my specific Rega RB-300/Ortofon Jubilee combo best sound is when the rear/pivot is 1.2 mm lower that the front cartridge stylus. So with this unique tool I can adjust the arm high relative easy + accurately. Peace, ALEX! ---------- From: kenakiesow at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:13:50 -0600 .ExternalClass P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi all, Coming out of the dark, I'm new to this forum. Great stuff here! Alex, pardon my ignorance in this question, but what is that blue thing on the album on your turntable? Just as a way of introduction, here's my current NAK equipment: BX-125 - bought new in 1985. Could barely afford it, but knew I had to have it. Never regretted it. It's in dire need of a gear upgrade at this point, and sits in it's original box awaiting the day.. CR-3 - bought used in ~1997. Nice unit, loved it. Also in need of a gear upgrade. RX-505 - bought used in ~2001. Pristine condition. Fantastic sound. Nifty tape-flipping mechanism. What more can I say? Dragon - bought used in ~2002. Very good condition. Also fantastic sound. I dreamed about these when I bought my BX-125 ("when I grow up, I want to be a Dragon!). Would love to own a ZX-7 or ZX-9 someday, although I'm pretty happy with what I have currently. I'm slowly assembling the tools I need to take my best recordings digital, what I'm lacking right now is a truly high-end converter/clock unit. Partly because I want to limit wear on these units, and partly because I can't take any of these on an airplane, or in the car with me (nor would I want to). A few other pieces in the mix: Revox linear tracking turntable (not currently set up), Rotel pre-amp, Carver M1.5T amp, and Thiel CS1.5 speakers. It's a nice sounding little system. ---------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:29:45 -0500 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereo gear photos! Hey Alex, Super rig!! Great pics! Hard to beat a classic ARC phono stage. I'm a proud owner of an SP-8, which I luv dearly. Happy Listening, Samuel Crider On 5/21/07, Alex Cozac < wrote: Hello my dear Buddies, Here I unplug in this link form all shots till today of my stereo gear! BTW...I'm standing near my gear in one of the photos! XAjRY>http://picasaweb.google.com/Alex.Cozac/TillTodayMyStereoGear?authkey=W JeXutXAjRY For your enjoyment, Peace, Alex! ---------- Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. =RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507>Check it out! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/li stinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. <<'www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale>Try it! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<<<<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------- You snooze, you lose. From martinferreira at hotmail.com Sat May 26 12:33:18 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:33:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mint BX-125 - yeah right! In-Reply-To: <000801c79f6b$f3ada8f0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Sat May 26 14:51:32 2007 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:51:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic Cartridges Tonearms and turntables Message-ID: <46582D54.1060704@caribsurf.com> May I suggest these off-topic discussions are transferred to diyaudio or similar? They have nothing to do with nakamichi cassette decks Regards Paul C From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 26 16:24:47 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 16:24:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic Cartridges Tonearms and turntables --> AUDIOTALK In-Reply-To: <46582D54.1060704@caribsurf.com> References: <46582D54.1060704@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: <4658432F.7080907@xs4all.nl> There has been this wonderful list called audiotalk at naks.com that is waiting for posts and subjects like this, but somehow we seem shy or afraid to post there... So give it a try, register there and post! It's free It's unmoderated (big plus) and it's there! so try it! Wouter Paul Carrington wrote: > May I suggest these off-topic discussions are transferred to diyaudio > or similar? They have nothing to do with > nakamichi cassette decks > Regards > Paul C From Benstratford at aol.com Sat May 26 17:47:46 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:47:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale Message-ID: Should anyone have one of these optional scales that fits in front of the normal scale on the T-100 that is redundant, I would appreciate an opportunity to acquire if for a mutually agreeable sum. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun May 27 07:48:39 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:48:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale Message-ID: <4CA7B3D5-F424-40BF-97E2-6B2516BF6C48@alumni.caltech.edu> > Should anyone have one of these optional scales that fits in front > of the > normal scale on the T-100 that is redundant, I would appreciate an > opportunity > to acquire if for a mutually agreeable sum. Gonna be tough; most of the ones I see at least on ebay don't have them. I'm not sure all were made with them; it's hard to believe that they're ALL just lost (and some of the owners who were technicians don't seem to recall them). Tom's supposed to xerox/scan one full scale; I figure I can make that do.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun May 27 07:51:12 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:51:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes Message-ID: <1DFB1CEC-DCEE-49B9-9CB6-93640CDBF7C4@alumni.caltech.edu> > A computer controlled top-of-the-line Casette deck? Hmmm..Nak > didn't make too many of those.. : > > Bala > > "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I just came across my > "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. > > In the liner notes: > > "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its > own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line > Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." > > "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the > digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper > transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during > duplication." > > "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette > technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." > > This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never > bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various > sources. > > Fred > I believe it was a bank of 582s or something similar that did the 1:1 duping of the masters.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun May 27 10:06:49 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:06:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes In-Reply-To: <1DFB1CEC-DCEE-49B9-9CB6-93640CDBF7C4@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <1DFB1CEC-DCEE-49B9-9CB6-93640CDBF7C4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <518b7b10705270106l58b1d7fet21d57766338582e2@mail.gmail.com> They were ZX-9s. On 5/27/07, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > A computer controlled top-of-the-line Casette deck? Hmmm..Nak didn't make > too many of those.. : > > Bala > > I believe it was a bank of 582s or something similar that did the 1:1 duping > of the masters.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun May 27 13:31:53 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:31:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Technical Problem With NakTalk Message-ID: <052720071131.18678.46596C28000F2F34000048F622155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was reading through NakTalk Digest Vol 51, Issue 26, and I noticed that I don't see all of the messages. According to the "table of contents" at the beginning of the e-mail, there should be 28 messages, but I only see 17. Case in point: I can't see any of the messages entitled "Mint BX-125 - yeah right!" (Messages 20, 22, and 27) I also cannot see a message someone wrote in response to my discussion of CR-7a record mods (Message 25) Is there any way I can view these missing messages? Thanks, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun May 27 13:40:45 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:40:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk Technical Problem - A Clue? Message-ID: <052720071140.27268.46596E3D00010A8600006A8422155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have just noticed that ALL of my issues of NakTalk Digest are missing messages if they contain roughly more than 20 messages or so. But brief issues of the Digest, with only a few messages, reach me intact. I have also noticed that my internet provider uses Symantec anti-virus technology, which I cannot turn off, to filter incoming mail. The Symantec anti-virus header appears only in NakTalk Digest issues that are long and have missing messages. From lenaw at flash.net Sun May 27 15:54:40 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes In-Reply-To: <1DFB1CEC-DCEE-49B9-9CB6-93640CDBF7C4@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <414593.91106.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nakamichi Reference Cassette Series ( not sure about the demo tape though ) are duplicated 1:1 realtime on ZX-9s in Japan by Nakamichi using TDK MA tapes from analog/digital masters from different musical sources. Those made in the U.S.A. by IN-SYNC LABs are duplicated 1:1 realtime on Nak 582s from various musical sources using TDK SA/SA-X in Dolby B/C ( your choice when placed a direct order ). Alan E. Silver ( of Connoisseur Society who made those tapes ) informed me that there is a total of around 160 titles being releases in the 80s. But he did not say whether those 582s have been modified. Those tapes sound very good on my non-Nak decks. IN-SYNC LABs is the only company I know of ( out of only a few ) in the U.S. that used Nak decks to produce realtime 1:1 duplicated commerical pre-recorded cassettes in the 80s. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: A computer controlled top-of-the-line Casette deck? Hmmm..Nak didn't make too many of those.. : Bala "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I just came across my "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. In the liner notes: "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during duplication." "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred I believe it was a bank of 582s or something similar that did the 1:1 duping of the masters.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun May 27 17:20:50 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:20:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: BX-300 Repair Message-ID: <052720071520.12441.4659A1D2000ADDBB0000309922155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello Everyone: If you want to respond to this post, please e-mail me directly at hwbosshoss at comcast.net because I am not getting all of the NakTalk messages for some reason. Here is an update on my BX-300. This is the same tape deck that has flickering digits in its counter and keeps resetting its counter back to "0000" AND keeps putting itself back into PLAY mode - even when there is no tape in the machine. I have solved one problem but caused another. First of all, I have narrowed it down to IC701 on the counter PC board. This IC chip seems to be faulty. In the service manual, this chip is listed as LM6416E-106 I found an LM6416E at Consolidated Electronics. There was no suffix of any kind after the "E". It is just a straight LM6416E. I thought this IC was the same as the one in the BX-300, but it's not. FIRST THE GOOD NEWS: After I installed the new LM6416E chip, the deck no longer has flickering numbers in the counter and the deck no longer puts itself into PLAY mode, so I'm happy about that.... NOW THE BAD NEWS: THE COUNTER NO LONGER WORKS. Instead of "0000" when you first turn the deck on, you see "88_ _" (the underlines represent the two missing digits). When you press PLAY the counter DOES NOT change. When you press REW or FF, the counter briefly shows this: "8_8_" ...and then changes to this: "8_ _8" ...and DOES NOT change. Unless someone has any ideas, I am either going to have to find a parts deck to get the proper LM6416E chip, or I am going to have to live without the counter. I really wouldn't bother with this deck as I have other Naks that are much nicer, but this BX-300 has great sentimental value because it was my very first piece of Nak equipment. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS HOW I CAN CORRECT THE PROBLEM - OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SPARE COUNTER IC CHIPS? THE CHIP THAT CAME OUT OF MY BX-300 HAS THESE MARKINGS ON IT: 106 B-6368A 4F2 *andy* From nakfan at gmail.com Sun May 27 17:58:10 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:58:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] EQ / pre-recorded tapes Message-ID: <6839b2c0705270858g5fd1a4ewc60e06e40c27fc3c@mail.gmail.com> Jeff W, Thanks for investigating this. All the best to you, too. Thanks also to Scott, Marc H, Luis and all who contributed to this thread with insight and facts. Per From nakfan at gmail.com Sun May 27 18:32:32 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:32:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Off-topic Cartridges Tonearms and turntables -->AUDIOTALK Message-ID: <6839b2c0705270932h29f41762v7713848dabda0983@mail.gmail.com> Wouter, I have just joined AudioTalk (took less than 5 minutes) - hopefully a lot of other NakTalkers will do the same :-) Per Wouter wrote: > There has been this wonderful list called > audiotalk at naks.com that is waiting for posts and > subjects like this, but somehow we seem shy or afraid > to post there... From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon May 28 00:33:28 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: BX-300 Repair In-Reply-To: <052720071520.12441.4659A1D2000ADDBB0000309922155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <575791.80623.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Andy I can send in my CR3A parts machine for 10$ plus shipping - must be cheap by fedex ground - in the US as I live in PA. This machine has no transport but the mother board has everything. THis had a problem in transport control section and logic and display section were working fine and so this IC must be. You have to desoolder this IC probably carefully and solder it back You may have to get the IC manual to understand why the Display is showing the way it is currently on your BX 300. mail me if you are interested Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hello Everyone: If you want to respond to this post, please e-mail me directly at hwbosshoss at comcast.net because I am not getting all of the NakTalk messages for some reason. Here is an update on my BX-300. This is the same tape deck that has flickering digits in its counter and keeps resetting its counter back to "0000" AND keeps putting itself back into PLAY mode - even when there is no tape in the machine. I have solved one problem but caused another. First of all, I have narrowed it down to IC701 on the counter PC board. This IC chip seems to be faulty. In the service manual, this chip is listed as LM6416E-106 I found an LM6416E at Consolidated Electronics. There was no suffix of any kind after the "E". It is just a straight LM6416E. I thought this IC was the same as the one in the BX-300, but it's not. FIRST THE GOOD NEWS: After I installed the new LM6416E chip, the deck no longer has flickering numbers in the counter and the deck no longer puts itself into PLAY mode, so I'm happy about that.... NOW THE BAD NEWS: THE COUNTER NO LONGER WORKS. Instead of "0000" when you first turn the deck on, you see "88_ _" (the underlines represent the two missing digits). When you press PLAY the counter DOES NOT change. When you press REW or FF, the counter briefly shows this: "8_8_" ...and then changes to this: "8_ _8" ...and DOES NOT change. Unless someone has any ideas, I am either going to have to find a parts deck to get the proper LM6416E chip, or I am going to have to live without the counter. I really wouldn't bother with this deck as I have other Naks that are much nicer, but this BX-300 has great sentimental value because it was my very first piece of Nak equipment. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS HOW I CAN CORRECT THE PROBLEM - OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SPARE COUNTER IC CHIPS? THE CHIP THAT CAME OUT OF MY BX-300 HAS THESE MARKINGS ON IT: 106 B-6368A 4F2 *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 01:06:41 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: BX-300 Repair In-Reply-To: <052720071520.12441.4659A1D2000ADDBB0000309922155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <128710.18001.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The LM6416E-106 is a 4-bit microprocessor. The code for this processor is Nakamichi's own code and programmed in at the mask level. Any replacement must contain this code and it can only be gotten from Nak. Any other LM6416 will contain someone elses code for a different type of application. You can get this chip from a dead MR-1, RX-202 (I verified P/Ns). Maybe (I didn't verify P/N) the MR-2, RX-303, RX-505, BX-150, ZX-5 and probably a couple decks I haven't mentioned. Are there any of these decks that have been donated to Naks.com??? Scott J. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hello Everyone: If you want to respond to this post, please e-mail me directly at hwbosshoss at comcast.net because I am not getting all of the NakTalk messages for some reason. Here is an update on my BX-300. This is the same tape deck that has flickering digits in its counter and keeps resetting its counter back to "0000" AND keeps putting itself back into PLAY mode - even when there is no tape in the machine. I have solved one problem but caused another. First of all, I have narrowed it down to IC701 on the counter PC board. This IC chip seems to be faulty. In the service manual, this chip is listed as LM6416E-106 I found an LM6416E at Consolidated Electronics. There was no suffix of any kind after the "E". It is just a straight LM6416E. I thought this IC was the same as the one in the BX-300, but it's not. FIRST THE GOOD NEWS: After I installed the new LM6416E chip, the deck no longer has flickering numbers in the counter and the deck no longer puts itself into PLAY mode, so I'm happy about that.... NOW THE BAD NEWS: THE COUNTER NO LONGER WORKS. Instead of "0000" when you first turn the deck on, you see "88_ _" (the underlines represent the two missing digits). When you press PLAY the counter DOES NOT change. When you press REW or FF, the counter briefly shows this: "8_8_" ...and then changes to this: "8_ _8" ...and DOES NOT change. Unless someone has any ideas, I am either going to have to find a parts deck to get the proper LM6416E chip, or I am going to have to live without the counter. I really wouldn't bother with this deck as I have other Naks that are much nicer, but this BX-300 has great sentimental value because it was my very first piece of Nak equipment. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS HOW I CAN CORRECT THE PROBLEM - OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SPARE COUNTER IC CHIPS? THE CHIP THAT CAME OUT OF MY BX-300 HAS THESE MARKINGS ON IT: 106 B-6368A 4F2 *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 28 07:50:22 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:50:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465A6D9E.3000305@peromarta.org> It'd be nice to have it online, and linked from naks.com/wiki I can do that if you send me the scan. Best rgds, LP. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kimo, > I've received a full size scan of one from a very kind forum member that > I've printed onto card, cut out and mounted behind some 2mm plexiglass > which exactly locates in front of the original scale. Just need to > verify that the scale / location is spot on now. Not a bad result in > fact. If anyone wants a copy of the scan, let me know. > Best Regards, Ben > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon May 28 08:34:18 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:34:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Wattage Scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465A77EA.5070006@peromarta.org> Thanks Ben, It's been linked here, under "Other Information" http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Best rgds, LP. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Luis, > Attached as discussed. > Best Regards, Ben > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon May 28 01:16:47 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:16:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dear all of you...my link of all till today shot stereogear photos! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7h3k53pvibltg1mq2r53b9vkkknmrlvmnc@4ax.com> On Thu, 24 May 2007 04:14:56 +0000, Alex Cozac wrote: >Yes the best that you can do on that circumstances!!! I still look upon that day with remorse and the trip to put them back as one best forgotten. But I had to make space for new arrivals. And my cellar is mighty cramped with project that have no statute on fixing, some with still no hope in sight. Mycurrent job doesn't pay a lot, actually it pays rather little so I have no room to maneuvre, adn I hope I won't have to ditch too much based on economics just because I can't finance a fix at the moment. I might in a year or two. I gotta be optimistic too while still think ahead and decide if I can do it or I need to pay even more and have someone do it for me. >From my cellar I will kick the Onkyo R1 cd and cassette decks too. I will keep my B&O 1700 for now pending parts deck. I have some cheap Sony cassettes from which I will cannibalize the VU meters and the feet and possibly the heads. I gotta look at the stuff I throw out, once I thoguht they would be restored but maybe that deck can help someone elses deck get restored. I am always loolking out for cheap decks that be cannibalised but of course some thing will always have to be new, belts and other rubber attire. Once I am confident the eletronics is ok and I am not entering a black money pit I will go ahead and get a spare deck and make something work. But I am not doing so unless I know I can get the belts needed to make the speed as done by the factory when it was new. Too much of the things I do rely on tests to get the right belt or one that is so close that adjusting the speed for the new belt is ok. I have bought 4 belts to resotre and vertical Optonica turntable which has a belt that works but is a little too tight. A thinner belt would be good, one just as thick and slightly bigger would be better too. Also I am always debating wether to invest in the service manual but I must conclude that on most ocasions it really is just the battle for new rubber replacements rather than access to a service manual and a cheap tech that stands in my way of getting somethng for slightly more than nothing. I pulled a lot of gear from the recycling deposit, most of it was put there for good reasons. Some of those reasons are peripheral such as time, needs and (in)significant other beings from planet venus who probably could not tell Vangelis from Jarre no matter what deck played it to them. But sometimes that gear already was in the hands of someone with just two thumbs and he might have had the same joy of finding them second hand and the same remorse about leaving them once repairs turned into nightmares or they were unfeasible to even begin repairing. I can't fix everything. I know that now. :( -Mikkel From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon May 28 01:16:54 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] EQ / Prerecorded Tapes In-Reply-To: <414593.91106.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070527231654.85944.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another company that did real time duplication with Naks was Quadim in the San Fernando valley. They used IEC-2 modified decks before the MR-1B came out using the Dolby Labs modification. The source was Dolby encoded using a rack mount professional dolby B encoder. They had about 120 decks all linked to a computer which could individually control each deck or control them all simultaneously. Not sure what they reproduced or who for, but, the decks were very well taken care off. They obviously had a skilled tech in house because every deck had grease pencil writing on top or on the back of last cleaning, head replacement or any other repair that was performed. Decks were also modified to allow for two different SX or chrome, Type-2 tape settings. They moded the deck to change ZX, type 2 to be BASF type-2. The standard SX setting was cal'd to TDK SM tapes. I know because my friend and I bought the systems about 5 years back from David Manley, founder of Manley Labs. I think be bought the systems from Quadim when they stopped dealing with cassettes. SJ LENA WONG wrote: Nakamichi Reference Cassette Series ( not sure about the demo tape though ) are duplicated 1:1 realtime on ZX-9s in Japan by Nakamichi using TDK MA tapes from analog/digital masters from different musical sources. Those made in the U.S.A. by IN-SYNC LABs are duplicated 1:1 realtime on Nak 582s from various musical sources using TDK SA/SA-X in Dolby B/C ( your choice when placed a direct order ). Alan E. Silver ( of Connoisseur Society who made those tapes ) informed me that there is a total of around 160 titles being releases in the 80s. But he did not say whether those 582s have been modified. Those tapes sound very good on my non-Nak decks. IN-SYNC LABs is the only company I know of ( out of only a few ) in the U.S. that used Nak decks to produce realtime 1:1 duplicated commerical pre-recorded cassettes in the 80s. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: A computer controlled top-of-the-line Casette deck? Hmmm..Nak didn't make too many of those.. : Bala "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I just came across my "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. In the liner notes: "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during duplication." "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred I believe it was a bank of 582s or something similar that did the 1:1 duping of the masters.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. 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Maybe the BX-2 as well, since it has the same display. jw ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Mon May 28 07:57:00 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:57:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale Message-ID: Luis, It is on it's way thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakfan at gmail.com Mon May 28 21:28:15 2007 From: nakfan at gmail.com (Per Borgen) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:28:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrade for L100 Centurion? Join AudioTalk... Message-ID: <002901c7a15e$5e9e7830$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi NakTalkers, If you have a pair of JBL L100 Centurion spekears you should definately read about Troels Gravesen's brand new and very interesting upgrade kit for these speakers. To help Wouter promote his AudioTalk list - and to keep this list free of off-topic stuff you'll have to join AudioTalk to read more :-) So don't reply to this post - join http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/audiotalk Per From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue May 29 00:15:23 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: EQ / Prerecorded Tapes Message-ID: <551359.92663.qm@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just the thought of a bank of ZX-9s and or 582s etc is candy for my imagination, and brings tears to my eyes. WHAT A SIGHT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN on something like YouTube. LOL. My particular demo tape was Manufactured by Pacific Cassette Laboratories and distributed by Nakamichi U.S.A. Corporation. Concept: Michael Strange. It has a collection of pop, rock, Classical, Neo Classical, Orchestral Pop from recordings made by Sheffield Lab, A&M Records, GRP Records, TelArc and Delos Records. Lena, yes, my sources were first LPs (not abused, which I tried to clean meticulously) and later CDs. I found that my Nakamichi self recorded tapes greatly exceeded the quality of what I could buy commercially and would actually sound as good as the source I was recording from. But after hearing this "Sound Of Nakamichi" demo tape, it became quite apparent what a state of the art prerecorded tape should sound like and everything else was just ?. I think I picked this up? from a Nak dealer in So. CA when I was poking around prior to my RX - 505 purchase and never could find any dedicated (single artist) "Sound of Nakamichi" prerecorded tapes to buy. Further in the interior liner notes: "Welcome to the Sound of Nakamichi! We've prepared this cassette so you may experience for yourself the unique clarity and brilliance that you can expect from your Nakamichi Home or Mobile Sound system. The musical selections are taken from the Sound of Nakamichi Reference Cassette Series - the world's finest prerecorded cassettes. Each is individually duplicated in real-time on pretested TDK Metal tape using the finest Nakamichi equipment. We hope you enjoy our musical selections-and your new Nakamichi equipment." With a signature of: N. Nakamichi below...... Fred. Another company that did real time duplication with Naks was Quadim in the San Fernando valley. They used IEC-2 modified decks before the MR-1B came out using the Dolby Labs modification. The source was Dolby encoded using a rack mount professional dolby B encoder. They had about 120 decks all linked to a computer which could individually control each deck or control them all simultaneously. Not sure what they reproduced or who for, but, the decks were very well taken care off. They obviously had a skilled tech in house because every deck had grease pencil writing on top or on the back of last cleaning, head replacement or any other repair that was performed. Decks were also modified to allow for two different SX or chrome, Type-2 tape settings. They moded the deck to change ZX, type 2 to be BASF type-2. The standard SX setting was cal'd to TDK SM tapes. I know because my friend and I bought the systems about 5 years back from David Manley, founder of Manley Labs. I think be bought the systems from Quadim when they stopped dealing with cassettes. SJ LENA WONG wrote: Nakamichi Reference Cassette Series ( not sure about the demo tape though ) are duplicated 1:1 realtime on ZX-9s in Japan by Nakamichi using TDK MA tapes from analog/digital masters from different musical sources. Those made in the U.S.A. by IN-SYNC LABs are duplicated 1:1 realtime on Nak 582s from various musical sources using TDK SA/SA-X in Dolby B/C ( your choice when placed a direct order ). Alan E. Silver ( of Connoisseur Society who made those tapes ) informed me that there is a total of around 160 titles being releases in the 80s. But he did not say whether those 582s have been modified. Those tapes sound very good on my non-Nak decks. IN-SYNC LABs is the only company I know of ( out of only a few ) in the U.S. that used Nak decks to produce realtime 1:1 duplicated commerical pre-recorded cassettes in the 80s. Mike "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: A computer controlled top-of-the-line Casette deck? Hmmm..Nak didn't make too many of those.. : Bala "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: I just came across my "Sound of Nakamichi" Reference Cassette Series demo tape. In the liner notes: "Each Sound of Nakamichi cassette is individually recorded in its own precision housing by a computer controlled top-of-the-line Nakamichi cassette deck on TDK MA tape with Dolby-C noise reduction." "Each cassette is individually tested before recording and the digital master is continuously monitored to ensure proper transfer. No compression, limiting, or gain riding is used during duplication." "A Sound of Nakamichi recording is the apex of prerecorded cassette technology and offers unprecedented response and dynamic range." This cassette sounds fantastic in my Nak and because of it, I never bought any pre-recorded tape. I always made my own from various sources. Fred I believe it was a bank of 582s or something similar that did the 1:1 duping of the masters.-kby --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Tue May 29 02:54:35 2007 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:54:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question and FS list In-Reply-To: <200705281001.l4SA1Fut029262@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705281001.l4SA1Fut029262@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <465B79CB.7050906@bellsouth.net> If anyone would be interested in purchasing any of the following please contact me offlist jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net BX - 100 new idler 550 portable - Sank tuned / June 2002 / not used in a while cr-3a 670zx - excellent sound, playback and recording, one meter not responding, everything else is fine, sank tuned - 07/2002 bx-300 thorens td-320 amp - pioneer m-90 sounds great, its a 200 wpc beast, won't win any beauty contests amp - dbx bx-3, 4 x 125w, multichannel, bridgeable pre - dbx cx-3, never really had it in a system, many inputs, no beauty contest winner either Please contact off list if interested in anything ************** A friend of mine wants to transfer several hundred hours of fm jazz radio recordings to cd. This is an older gentleman. Some of the cassettes have contact pads that are seperating from their little metal flat springs. He is not set up at the moment to use a pc either. He is familiar with audio in general and had very good stereo in the late 60's -early 70's. Any thoughts or recommendations on how to go about this? Stan P. From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue May 29 09:23:32 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 00:23:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: EQ / Prerecorded Tapes Message-ID: <5793FB8A-ECCA-4EB6-9DD7-160021C66819@alumni.caltech.edu> > It has a collection of pop, rock, Classical, Neo Classical, > Orchestral Pop from > recordings made by Sheffield Lab, A&M Records, GRP Records, TelArc > and Delos Records. Mine's the Telarc Tchikovsky 1812 & Mazeppa Ov. At least I think the Mazeppa was the filler; I'd have to lok to be sure. I got it primarily to see how that [in]famous digital recording of the 1812 sounded, although it was more famous as a cartridge tracking test.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 29 11:11:36 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:11:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question and FS list In-Reply-To: <465B79CB.7050906@bellsouth.net> References: <200705281001.l4SA1Fut029262@zxe.naks.com> <465B79CB.7050906@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <465BEE48.7090504@peromarta.org> Stanley P. Pickens wrote: > > A friend of mine wants to transfer several hundred hours of fm jazz > radio recordings to cd. This is an older gentleman. > Some of the cassettes have contact pads that are seperating from their > little metal flat springs. He is not set up at the moment to use a pc > either. He is familiar with audio in general and had very good stereo in > the late 60's -early 70's. > > Any thoughts or recommendations on how to go about this? > > Stan P. > Grab a calibrated DRAGON, a nice soundcard and start sampling. Don't bother about the pads, the are not used (lifted away from heads) on later Nakamichi decks anyway. LP. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 29 14:03:19 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question and FS list In-Reply-To: <465BEE48.7090504@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <523886.83032.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would recommend Cassette Deck 1 - recently calibrated as that is simple to operate and maual azimuth for any cassette to play. Dragon is expensive and sometimes intimidating to a new user for transferring cassettes to CD. I just sold a Cassette Deck1 to a person who has over 500 Cassettes for such an application. He is thrilled to see the use as well as ease of operation. Kannan Luis Peromarta wrote: Stanley P. Pickens wrote: > > A friend of mine wants to transfer several hundred hours of fm jazz > radio recordings to cd. This is an older gentleman. > Some of the cassettes have contact pads that are seperating from their > little metal flat springs. He is not set up at the moment to use a pc > either. He is familiar with audio in general and had very good stereo in > the late 60's -early 70's. > > Any thoughts or recommendations on how to go about this? > > Stan P. > Grab a calibrated DRAGON, a nice soundcard and start sampling. Don't bother about the pads, the are not used (lifted away from heads) on later Nakamichi decks anyway. LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Tue May 29 15:47:33 2007 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVB/RHG) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 06:47:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] PAD LIFTERS/TENSION PADS Message-ID: <004001c7a1f7$e92c5820$0200a8c0@DESKTOP> HEY NAKTALK BUDDIES- CAN SOME PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHAT THE PROPER NOMENCLATURE AND USE FOR "TENSION PADS" OR PRESSURE PADS IS. HAVE THEY ALWAYS BEEN ON CASSETTES? DO ALL BRANDS USE THEM? I GATHER FROM READING NAKTALK THAT NAKAMICHI HAS SOME SORT OF DEVICE TO OVER-RIDE THEM? WHY? DO MY 680ZX AND RX505 HAVE THEM? THANKS, RANDALL GRESETH SEATTLE, WASHINGTON, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue May 29 15:51:01 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:51:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] QUESTION: Can ANY Nak Remote Control The CR-7a? Message-ID: <052920071351.11473.465C2FC50005452F00002CD122155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of a CR-7a that needs a little work but looks like it can be fixed. This deck did not come with a remote. My TA-4A (the one I'm NOT currently selling on eBay) has a Nakamichi "Receiver 2" remote that works just fine with it. This Receiver 2 remote has function keys to operate a Nakamichi tape player. My question has two parts: 1) Can I expect to operate the CR-7a with this remote (since it appears Nakamichi used a "standard" remote frequency because of the fact that my TA-4A works perfectly with a Receiver 2 remote)? 2) Can someone describe the azimuth adjustment procedure that can be done with a standard CR-7a remote, so I can guess whether or not my Receiver 2 remote will be able to do it as well? Many thanks.... *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue May 29 15:56:53 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:56:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Parts For CR-7a Record EQ Modification Message-ID: <052920071356.1328.465C312500029DDC0000053022155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Here's one more set of bothersome questions about that CR-7a I just bought! I am experienced in working with PC boards, and I am going to perform the record EQ modification on this CR-7a if it needs one. The problem is I am having trouble finding the exact parts that are listed in the Nak memo. So I have a few questions: 1) What if I can't find 1/6 watt resistors? Will 1/4 watt be OK? 2) What if I find capacitors rated at 100v instead of 50v? I know that it is OK to go with a higher voltage rating most of the time, but I wonder if it is OK in this instance. 3) How about capacitor tolerance? It is not given in the Nak memo. A couple of the caps I have found are 10% tolerance, but a couple go to 20% tolerance levels. I would like to find tighter tolerance than that, but what if 20% is all I can find? Any info (or parts sources) will be MUCH appreciated. THANKS! *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue May 29 16:46:16 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:46:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Parts For CR-7a Record EQ Modification Message-ID: <6797889.1180449976700.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml21.mgt.cox.net> Andy, For all your electronic needs. www.digikey.com Your questions are very valid but somewhat unecessary to start substituting working voltages and settling for wattage ratings. There's a bit of physics involved with why 50WVDC is different than 100WVDC caps. Sure, it'll work....if you were building an unregulated power supply. Go to the link I gave you and call them. Tell them your intentions and they will guide you. Good luck! ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Here's one more set of bothersome questions about that CR-7a I just bought! > > I am experienced in working with PC boards, and I am going to perform the record EQ modification on this CR-7a if it needs one. > > The problem is I am having trouble finding the exact parts that are listed in the Nak memo. > > So I have a few questions: > > 1) What if I can't find 1/6 watt resistors? Will 1/4 watt be OK? > > 2) What if I find capacitors rated at 100v instead of 50v? I know that it is OK to go with a higher voltage rating most of the time, but I wonder if it is OK in this instance. > > 3) How about capacitor tolerance? It is not given in the Nak memo. A couple of the caps I have found are 10% tolerance, but a couple go to 20% tolerance levels. I would like to find tighter tolerance than that, but what if 20% is all I can find? > > Any info (or parts sources) will be MUCH appreciated. THANKS! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Roland From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 29 16:52:34 2007 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:52:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PAD LIFTERS/TENSION PADS Message-ID: Howzit Randall!! Sure, both your Naks have the pressure pad lifter. The function of a pressure pad is to ensure even and continuous contact of the tape to the head as the capstan/s moves it past. The problem that this causes is: 1. Tape skewing (literally as it sounds, the tape can be skewed out of alignment by the dynamic action of the pad, causing scrape flutter, phase inaccuracy and even bass head bumps if the tape wraps around the head - the contact patch is excessive) 2. Increased wear of the tape itself 3. Increased wear of the head/s. A pad-lifter gently lifts the pad clear of the head and tape. This is because the double assymetrical capstan drive on a Nakamichi deck is so accurate that it renders the pressure pad redundant - the mere consistency of tape tension between the two capstans is enough to ensure perfect tape to head contact. Go well - Marc >>> jvbrhg at seanet.com 5/29/2007 3:47:33 PM >>> HEY NAKTALK BUDDIES- CAN SOME PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHAT THE PROPER NOMENCLATURE AND USE FOR "TENSION PADS" OR PRESSURE PADS IS. HAVE THEY ALWAYS BEEN ON CASSETTES? DO ALL BRANDS USE THEM? I GATHER FROM READING NAKTALK THAT NAKAMICHI HAS SOME SORT OF DEVICE TO OVER-RIDE THEM? WHY? DO MY 680ZX AND RX505 HAVE THEM? THANKS, RANDALL GRESETH SEATTLE, WASHINGTON, USA The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net Tue May 29 13:50:53 2007 From: jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:50:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 51, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: <200705291000.l4TA0JNn026261@zxe.naks.com> References: <200705291000.l4TA0JNn026261@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <465C139D.6040107@bellsouth.net> I was thinking maybe a decent cd recorder dubbing from a 3 head nak, bx-300,cr3a,etc, the tapes are probably all chrome and made with an average quality single head tape deck at best the main idea is to preserve them from aging cassettes which were dubbed from open reels (tapes and machines) that are in an unknown state of usability. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Stanley P. Pickens wrote: > > > A friend of mine wants to transfer several hundred hours of fm jazz > > radio recordings to cd. This is an older gentleman. > > Some of the cassettes have contact pads that are seperating from their > > little metal flat springs. He is not set up at the moment to use a pc > > either. He is familiar with audio in general and had very good stereo in > > the late 60's -early 70's. > > > > Any thoughts or recommendations on how to go about this? > > > > Stan P. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Grab a calibrated DRAGON, a nice soundcard and start sampling. Don't > bother about the pads, the are not used (lifted away from heads) on > later Nakamichi decks anyway. LP. From Benstratford at aol.com Tue May 29 18:44:28 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:44:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Parts For CR-7a Record EQ Modification Message-ID: Hi Andy, I can't comment on the resistors due to lack of experience with those. Capacitor tolerances are given by the letter J which signifies a 5% tolerance. It is important to use similar or better tolerance replacements. The farad values must be the same. The voltages can be higher in my experience within reason. If you are interested, I can supply all of the replacements in a mixture of polypropylene and polystyrene of the farad values quoted with better tolerances and voltages ranging between 63V and 160V as detailed in the memo OOD-M-0298. Another important factor is the capacitor location and the physical space available for the new part. This will determine if radial or axials of various shapes and sizes are a good fit. If you let me know your requirements I can give you the specific details which maybe the experts on this list can declare as suitable or not. (Surplus stocks from ZXL & ZX cap replacement projects) Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These decks have pad lifters that defeat the cassette's pad. tom brucker tom brucker At 08:54 PM 5/28/07 -0400, you wrote: >If anyone would be interested in purchasing any of the following please >contact me offlist >jazzisjazz at bellsouth.net > >BX - 100 new idler >550 portable - Sank tuned / June 2002 / not used in a while >cr-3a >670zx - excellent sound, playback and recording, one meter not >responding, everything else is fine, sank tuned - 07/2002 >bx-300 > >thorens td-320 >amp - pioneer m-90 sounds great, its a 200 wpc beast, won't win any >beauty contests >amp - dbx bx-3, 4 x 125w, multichannel, bridgeable >pre - dbx cx-3, never really had it in a system, many inputs, no beauty >contest winner either > >Please contact off list if interested in anything > >************** > >A friend of mine wants to transfer several hundred hours of fm jazz >radio recordings to cd. This is an older gentleman. >Some of the cassettes have contact pads that are seperating from their >little metal flat springs. He is not set up at the moment to use a pc >either. He is familiar with audio in general and had very good stereo in >the late 60's -early 70's. > >Any thoughts or recommendations on how to go about this? > >Stan P. > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 29 20:41:51 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:41:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070529134151.00882540@earthlink.net> What be needs is the optional scale with watts instead of dB. I can try copying mine. If the copier does not enlarge or reduce a bit the xerox might work just as well. The T100 also had a carry bag and strap. If you had 2 microphones and RCA adaptors you can use the t100 to equalize rooms. tom brucker tom brucker At 11:47 AM 5/26/07 EDT, you wrote: >>>> Should anyone have one of these optional scales that fits in front of the normal scale on the T-100 that is redundant, I would appreciate an opportunity to acquire if for a mutually agreeable sum. Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= <<<< Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 29 21:01:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:01:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Parts For CR-7a Record EQ Modification In-Reply-To: <052920071356.1328.465C312500029DDC0000053022155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <052920071356.1328.465C312500029DDC0000053022155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <465C7872.9080805@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Here's one more set of bothersome questions about that CR-7a I just bought! > > I am experienced in working with PC boards, and I am going to perform the record EQ modification on this CR-7a if it needs one. > > The problem is I am having trouble finding the exact parts that are listed in the Nak memo. > > So I have a few questions: > > 1) What if I can't find 1/6 watt resistors? Will 1/4 watt be OK? Certainly. > 2) What if I find capacitors rated at 100v instead of 50v? I know that it is OK to go with a higher voltage rating most of the time, but I wonder if it is OK in this instance. 100V is fine. > 3) How about capacitor tolerance? It is not given in the Nak memo. A couple of the caps I have found are 10% tolerance, but a couple go to 20% tolerance levels. I would like to find tighter tolerance than that, but what if 20% is all I can find? I used 1% or 2%. These caps are used in a frequency shaping application and accuracy in important. > Any info (or parts sources) will be MUCH appreciated. THANKS! Look up the Panasonic polypropylene caps on the Digikey site. Mouse carries excellent metal film 1% resistors at low prices. -- Ron > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Benstratford at aol.com Tue May 29 21:17:27 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:17:27 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale Message-ID: Can the T-100 be used as a frequency counter? Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benstratford at aol.com Tue May 29 21:31:18 2007 From: Benstratford at aol.com (Benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:31:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Calibration Using the T-100 Message-ID: Looking at my copy of the 680 ZX service manual at the electrical adjustments & measurements section, the 24 steps are described with the aid of: Test Tapes, VTVM, Frequency Counter, and Distortion meter. Presumably the T-100 was available after the deck and therefore is not mentioned. Does anyone have a version of the manual that employs the T-100 instead of (some of) these other devices? Before I get going on step 2, will the T-100, Test Tapes and my Fluke 87 be sufficient to perform the checks? (Having difficulty deciphering the T-100 manual and comparing the advice with the 680 zx manual for the same task). (Done step 1 - speed adjustment. Took about 45 mins to get set up and find out all the facts and locate the adjustment points etc and about 20 seconds to tweek the speed up a fraction!) Next Step 2, the tone calibration. Best Regards, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue May 29 21:55:01 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:55:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale Message-ID: > What be needs is the optional scale with watts instead of dB. I > can try > copying mine. If the copier does not enlarge or reduce a bit the xerox > might work just as well. > The T100 also had a carry bag and strap. If you had 2 microphones > and RCA > adaptors you can use the t100 to equalize rooms. > > tom brucker That's what ben sent and Luis posted--looks good to me although I haven't tried it yet. I've seen the carry bag and strap sold separately, but it's the Turkish guy and I personally am not willing to pay that much.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue May 29 21:52:51 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Optional Wattage / Voltage Scale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <918224.88039.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No. Benstratford at aol.com wrote: Can the T-100 be used as a frequency counter? Best Regards, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue May 29 22:18:03 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:18:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound Message-ID: <465C8A7B.9050504@xs4all.nl> Can a broken stop light (and normal speed light) be the cause of no sound while playing a tape? When in 'source' i hear sound, and also when cueing a tape but not at normal play. Wouter From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 29 23:41:54 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:41:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound In-Reply-To: <465C8A7B.9050504@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070529164154.00881d20@earthlink.net> Wouter, If you are handy with a soldering iron, put a 1.0k ohm 1/4 watt resistor across pins 3 and 4 of CN 8 connector on the logic PCB. CN 8 is towards the front edge from the transformer connections. Pin 8 is the front most pin, so count backwards. If you want to replace the stop lamp 12volt 35 ma, add a 1 k reistor across the lamp leads. Speed lamp is the same type. tom brucker At 10:18 PM 5/29/07 +0200, you wrote: >Can a broken stop light (and normal speed light) be the cause of no >sound while playing a tape? >When in 'source' i hear sound, and also when cueing a tape but not at >normal play. > >Wouter >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Tom Brucker CSM Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed May 30 00:25:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:25:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Calibration Using the T-100 Message-ID: <1B11BEE5-DAD4-4CB7-A33E-B37D88AB722D@alumni.caltech.edu> Hmm, I'll have to check the copy of the 680zx manual I have, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the 700 II service manual which definitely predates any of the Z machines (predates the "classic" mechanism & pad lifter!). I don't think it was available to the average user at that point, though, at least in the US.-kby From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 30 03:25:33 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 680 series no sound In-Reply-To: <465C8A7B.9050504@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <481083.6931.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, No, the light does not influence sound output. The no sound during play makes me suspect the muting transistors. Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: Can a broken stop light (and normal speed light) be the cause of no sound while playing a tape? When in 'source' i hear sound, and also when cueing a tape but not at normal play. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed May 30 09:53:34 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:53:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems References: <198485.55558.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7a28f$a0a80f20$5fd417c4@home> I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Just open it & save it after checking it out Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual Thanks for the info. i checked ebaman for a CR3 service manual but there is none available there. does anyone have a copy they could share? thanks Martin F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:59:58 +0100 at 'www.ebaman.com' ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-3 Service Manual Hi i am searching for a CR3 service manual. do you know where i can find one? thanks Martin F ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Emmanuel Komninos Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] WANTED: CR-7a Service Manual Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:31:27 +0300 >Andy i send you one on your email, hope its better that what you got >already... >Manos > > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >>I can't seem to find a decent CR-7a service manual for downloading. >> >>Does anyone have one that they could e-mail to me, or can someone >>point me to where I could download one...preferably for free? >> >>I tried Ebaman, but the download they have doesn't seem to work, or >>might be in a format that my computer doesn't recognize. >> >>Any help will be MUCH appreciated! 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If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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When playing it starts of beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi guys, I presume the sliders on the front panel are all clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? Regards Bala drewes wrote: I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 30 17:43:49 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Hi Tech) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:43:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <198485.55558.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20070530104349.00881b00@earthlink.net> I strongly recommend burnishing or replacing the 3 relays mounted on the mother board between the record and play boards. While I have no direct experience with the ZXL, the same relays cause similar sound troubles in the 730 receiver. A quick test would be to connect an rca cable between the external NR out and inputs, and set the front switch for external NR. This puts two of the relays in the opposite condition. Also try using the subsonic filter. That will exercise the third relay. tom brucker At 08:20 PM 5/29/07 -0700, you wrote: >Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on >both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying >sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the >sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one >channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to >change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > >Gabe > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Nashville, TN 37211 615.331.9250 fax 615.831.3165 mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu May 31 04:19:13 2007 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <001001c7a2cc$aea697d0$2fd117c4@home> Message-ID: <425201.507.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Walter, So during the first turn on, it does this, then the sound stays low until the next time you cycle power right? Having changed all the components, have you gone through all electronic alignment procedures? Bala drewes wrote: Bala, mine does it on recoed as well. When playing it starts of beautifully then starts to crackle and sound gets more lower as time goes on.The same procedure happens the next day on first switch on! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems Hi guys, I presume the sliders on the front panel are all clean, and this imbalance is only occurring during playback of tapes? Regards Bala drewes wrote: I have raised the exact same question twice already(mine does it as well after having replaced the caps) on Naktalk but it seems to have been one for which our learned friends have no answer! If you can work it out pse let me kmow! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] 100zxl playback problems > Hi everyone, I just changed all polypropylene, ic, fet and 945s on > both my 700 and 1000zxl and got rid of all the farts, crackling/frying > sounds and it sounds outstanding for about 5-10 minutes then slowly the > sound becomes lower and slightly distorted on playback in only one > channel. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I wont have to > change every single part on the playback/dolby board ? > > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick > sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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Thanks, Manos From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 30 23:56:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:56:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem Message-ID: <053020072156.6980.465DF2F40003F06000001B4422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item description said, it is not working. Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem? 1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up and is frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit at all. 2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and NONE of them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape. 3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the tension. Absolutely nothing happens. 4) The counter digits are not lit. 5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't think this is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change the display. 6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES NOT change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at all. 7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto Fade, Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of them turns the appropriate indicator on and off. I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to get some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know what direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode motor contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ modification has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED! Thanks to all of you, *andy* From p_c_guy at yahoo.com Thu May 31 07:01:09 2007 From: p_c_guy at yahoo.com (SunfirePC) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:1000zxl playback problems In-Reply-To: <200705301000.l4UA0We6015846@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <862738.94502.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, Walter, for the looks of it this is a job for Superman. lol I think I have a better chance of fixing it cause I have another 1000zxl that is running perfect. As sson as I fix it I'll update you. Gabe ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu May 31 14:06:57 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:06:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: <053020072156.6980.465DF2F40003F06000001B4422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy You have my admiration for taking on such a challenge. Me, I'd throw my hands up and wave a white flag! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 30 May 2007 22:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item description said, it is not working. Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem? 1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up and is frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit at all. 2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and NONE of them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape. 3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the tension. Absolutely nothing happens. 4) The counter digits are not lit. 5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't think this is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change the display. 6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES NOT change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at all. 7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto Fade, Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of them turns the appropriate indicator on and off. I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to get some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know what direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode motor contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ modification has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED! Thanks to all of you, *andy* From martinferreira at hotmail.com Thu May 31 14:33:58 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:33:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu May 31 15:22:11 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605675.2961.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the symptoms - it looks like a lot of poser supply problems. May be blown power supply. First thing is to get the service manual - start lookig at power supply areas to see it works. . This is if you are lion heartyed to take up challenging repair work. Kannan martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: Although i am no tech whiz, i agree. I don t mean to discourage you or belittle your purchase but if i were you Andy i'd keep it as a parts deck and get myself a working CR7 preferable the later models with the gear idler. the other option is to get it fixed by a qualified technician. if you do it locally, make sure he has the service manual. if you can stretch your budget a bit more, send it to B&W in europe or to ESL labs if you are in the Americas. good luck Martin F --------------------------------- From: "Graham Nelson" Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:06:57 +0100 >Andy > >You have my admiration for taking on such a challenge. Me, I'd throw my >hands up and wave a white flag! > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: 30 May 2007 22:56 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem > > > >OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item >description said, it is not working. > >Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem? > >1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up and is >frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit at all. > >2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and NONE of >them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape. > >3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the tension. >Absolutely nothing happens. > >4) The counter digits are not lit. > >5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't think this >is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change the >display. > >6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES NOT >change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at all. > >7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto Fade, >Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of them >turns the appropriate indicator on and off. > >I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to get >some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know what >direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode motor >contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ modification >has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED! > >Thanks to all of you, > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu May 31 15:50:10 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:50:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: <605675.2961.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <605675.2961.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <465ED292.2080504@peromarta.org> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > From the symptoms - it looks like a lot of poser supply problems. May > be blown power supply. First thing is to get the service manual - start > lookig at power supply areas to see it works. . This is if you are lion > heartyed to take up challenging repair work. > Kannan > I was about to say the exact same thing. If I am not mistaking, there's 2 fuses on the DC rails. Check these first, then move on with the SM. rgds, lP. From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 31 15:00:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:00:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem In-Reply-To: <053020072156.6980.465DF2F40003F06000001B4422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <053020072156.6980.465DF2F40003F06000001B4422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <465EC703.7040104@rcn.com> OK, how much did you pay for it, again? Seriously, these symptoms can be caused by a huge variety of problems, some of which are trivial to fix and some others, next to impossible, due to required unobtainium parts. You can do as you propose; that is, look at contacts, control motor, power supply etc. You may luck out and one of these is at fault. Or, you can pick one of the more obvious faults (for example, item 2 in your list, below) and systematically track it down. This guarantees success, with no need for luck, even if the deck has multiple problems. Though you do need the right tools. Good luck, -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item description said, it is not working. > > Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem? > > 1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up and is frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit at all. > > 2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and NONE of them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape. > > 3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the tension. Absolutely nothing happens. > > 4) The counter digits are not lit. > > 5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't think this is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change the display. > > 6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES NOT change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at all. > > 7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto Fade, Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of them turns the appropriate indicator on and off. > > I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to get some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know what direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode motor contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ modification has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED! > > Thanks to all of you, > > *andy* From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu May 31 15:19:13 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:19:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem Message-ID: Andy & Gra' For this sole reason NEVER I will acquire any Nak deck from eBay source! As my deceased Daddy told me always... "I never...will be so rich to acquire cheap goods". Peace, Alex! > From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:06:57 +0100> > Andy> > You have my admiration for taking on such a challenge. Me, I'd throw my> hands up and wave a white flag!> > Gra'> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net> Sent: 30 May 2007 22:56> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7a Has Arrived...Please Help Diagnose The Problem> > > > OK, the CR-7a that I won on eBay has arrived, and just like the item> description said, it is not working.> > Here are the symptoms...can you help me diagnose the problem?> > 1) When you turn the CR-7a on, the left channel level meter lights up and is> frozen at the -20dB mark. The right channel level meter is not lit at all.> > 2) NONE of the tape transport keys (Play, RW, FF, etc.) light up and NONE of> them work. Deck does not play or do anything with a tape.> > 3) When you insert a tape, the deck DOES NOT rewind to take up the tension.> Absolutely nothing happens.> > 4) The counter digits are not lit.> > 5) All three tape type indicators are lit (EX, SX, ZX). (I don't think this> is normal.) Choosing tape types by pressing buttons DOES NOT change the> display.> > 6) The TAPE indicator is lit, but pressing the MONITOR button DOES NOT> change it to SOURCE. Cannot get the SOURCE indicator to light up at all.> > 7) All four of the buttons on the bottom right (Manual Tape/EQ, Auto Fade,> Subsonic Filter, MPX Filter) seem to work, because pressing each of them> turns the appropriate indicator on and off.> > I will be digging into this deck during the weekend. I would like to get> some ideas about what to check and what to look for, so I'll know what> direction to pursue. The first thing I will do is give the mode motor> contacts a good cleaning, and checking to see if the record EQ modification> has been done. ANY ASSISTANCE WILL BE GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGED!> > Thanks to all of you,> > *andy*> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Add some color. 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If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, with maybe slight modifications. rgds LP. From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu May 31 19:30:10 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:30:10 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <465EE9B7.3000404@peromarta.org> References: <465DF28E.2080104@otenet.gr> <465EE9B7.3000404@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <465F0622.5010603@otenet.gr> Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > >> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic NAKs and >> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B >> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and from my >> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 >> complies with ? Thanks, Manos > > > Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions are > just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, with > maybe slight modifications. > > rgds LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Thanks Luis Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded with the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all cables that i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can still use my headphones.... Cheers, Manos From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu May 31 22:26:27 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:26:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:1000zxl playback problems References: <862738.94502.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7a3c1$fe0f2710$9ed417c4@home> You are a star,sir! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "SunfirePC" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re:1000zxl playback problems > Ok, Walter, for the looks of it this is a job for Superman. lol > > I think I have a better chance of fixing it cause I have another > 1000zxl that is running perfect. As sson as I fix it I'll update you. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking > for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lenaw at flash.net Thu May 31 22:58:46 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] IEC 1/2 for NAK deck DR-1? In-Reply-To: <465F0622.5010603@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <80390.32974.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Manos: Based on the writings about IECI/II in Scott Johnson's website, sounds like to me that the DR-1 follow the IEC I standard. Regards, Mike Emmanuel Komninos wrote: Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > >> tape code (C instead of A which i presume is for the classic NAKs and >> B for Sankyo transport NAKs ) I cant be certain for the A and B >> coded NAK cal. tapes i just assume it from SJs FAQ site and from my >> CR-7 service manual... Can anybody give advice which ICE the DR-1 >> complies with ? Thanks, Manos > > > Nothing to do with transport mechanisms. The test tape revisions are > just that. Revisions. If P/N stays the same, it's the same tape, with > maybe slight modifications. > > rgds LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Thanks Luis Still, does that mean that the deck complies with ICE/I standard? Or should i use the "try it out rule" and just throw a tape recorded with the Dragon and see how it sounds? It will be a mess with all cables that i will have to re-arrange (for the moment i only use the Dragon and RX505 since there in no space left on my preamp inputs but i can still use my headphones.... 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In-Reply-To: <47288805.3000903@sbcglobal.net> References: <47288805.3000903@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <47294CCA.5040507@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > Ron says: > > "I need to replace the battery in my waterproof watch. > To retain water resistance, the gasket must be replaced, > so I called Casio and ordered one. Turns out it costs 5 > cents, plus $4.95 S/H. The shipping actually costs them > $0.41 (the gasket is thinner than paper and weighs > nothing point something), so their profit is $4.50 on > the shipping and to hell with the maybe 4 cents they > make on the item itself. > > Honest? no, 't ain't; but arguing with it will be > Quixotic at best. Some people are here to live; most > others are here to make a buck -- the faster, the > better. Grin and bear it." > > Ken says: > > As a guy that runs a busy practice, I can tell you they probably lose > money on that transaction. > It costs money to just pick up the phone. It costs money to answer > emails. Pension plans, insurance, wages, etc.. > It all adds up. Oh and lets not forget Social Security and Medicare > taxes on each employee... They did you a service. > They want you to buy another Casio someday and it sounds like to me they > have their act together. > > I once needed bulbs for my Mackie mixer. They light the VU meters in > the meter bridge. I could not find them anywhere. I finally > called Mackie. I asked the lady where I could find the bulbs. She > laughed and said I have them for a dollar each. Then she said it would > be 10 bucks to overnight them to me. I said, oh just throw them into the > regular mail. She said, "Oh no trouble, you can just have them." :-) > It was not worth the cost to even take my credit card information. The > good will went a long way with me. I bought Mackie monitors the next > year. So they were probably aware of how a little transaction can make > you feel ripped off or like you are special. I do understand your > feelings. But they were not dishonest with you. They were just trying to > cover their costs. They could have made you a customer for life by just > throwing it in the mail to you for free. Cheap marketing.... > > Ken > Ken, having been there myself, I quite understand that a 5 cent (or even a 5 dollar) order is a losing proposition. Yet, they are in business and these orders are part of the cost of doing business. The question is, how does s business deal with that cost. Regardless of the math and rationalization, a 5 cent part that costs $5 leaves a bitter taste in the customer's mouth. I have a similar story to yours. I needed a front panel lamp for my ReVox receiver. It was a buck or two. Rather than take an order, they put one in an envelope and mailed it to me, gratis. I appreciated the service. When the office needed a turntable, I related the story to the CC manager and ReVox made another sale (obviously, for far, far more than the cost of a Casio watch). Bottom line: while I fully understand why the gasket cost $5, I think The ReVox (or Mackie, in your case) approach works better in the long term. -- Ron From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Nov 1 13:47:56 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:47:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <00c001c81bb9$e8dbd580$6401a8c0@main> References: <00c001c81bb9$e8dbd580$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <4729CAFC.7000906@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Nov 1 13:50:06 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:50:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4729CB7E.8030702@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 1 14:39:22 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:39:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler,, wheel? Message-ID: <4729D70A.8020409@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "Bottom line: while I fully understand why the gasket cost $5, I think The ReVox (or Mackie, in your case) approach works better in the long term." Ken says: I absolutely agree. It is the best cheap marketing a company can buy. They spend thousands if not millions in advertising trying to get someone to buy their watch, but make a guy who has already bought the watch feel slighted. They had a chance for 5 bucks to really increase the chance you would buy another Casio for a present or for yourself. Another stupid executive decision.... Internal marketing is the best bang for the buck! Ken From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 16:22:41 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:22:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler, wheel? Message-ID: <001d01c81c9b$0bf62b10$6401a8c0@main> I once needed a part for a tow behind sprayer. I called a company that made the little spray nozzles. Was not where I bought the sprayer. The rep told me he did not have any plastic ones but did have brass ones on hand. I asked what they cost and how I could pay for some. He said no charge, just give me your mailing address and I'll send a couple out. The NEXT day via Express mail I received the parts ! How is that for great customer relations (and I was not even a customer). That company pent probably $10+ on postage and sent me what would probably cost another $10 and did not charge me a dime! Don't see that very often. A few companies recognize that a couple of bucks spent here and there are the best advertising they can do. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 1 17:03:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <4729CB7E.8030702@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <605713.54996.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well if someone doesn't want to pay $20 for a 50 cent part, then they can go to the hardware store, buy some material, go out in the garage and spend an hour or two and make one. What's ones time worth? Think about it this way, what's the company's cost to make one 50 cent part, or what's the company's cost to make 100, 50 cent parts? I feel $20 or $25 is a good deal. Bob ions.com> wrote: You get what you pay for gentlemen! Fred Marrs Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: When an item is under a dollar, somewhere the company has to cover their cost for doing the order, and packaging and shipping the item. Honestly, for a 5 cent item do you think they could do that for another 41 cents postage and work for free? Most companies figure between $50 and $100 internal cost to process a purchase order, so $5 for doing an order is not all that bad. Sure it is honest. Bill Shenefelt A while back, we had two controversies on Naktalk about belts and ESL's repair costs. Back then, Tom shot me an email arguing the virtues of "market forces" - basically, the idea that if you offer a product at too high a price, somebody will come in under you and take your business away. Since then, I have seen the price of BX series idler tires come down from $10 to the current $3.41 on eBay. I think a couple of years ago ESL was charging around $15 on ebay, including shipping, for an idler tire, and even they are now down to around $8. The same thing is now happening with belts - Fred Marrs is being consistently undersold on eBay. The latest kits on eBay are $10 for what he was selling earlier this year at $25. There's a saying I heard in India, if you go for the wool, you can shear the sheep over and over. If you go for the meat, you only get it once. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 1 20:14:55 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:14:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <605713.54996.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <605713.54996.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <472A25AF.6060900@rcn.com> Bob, you are missing the point. The cost of the part is *not* the issue. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Well if someone doesn't want to pay $20 for a 50 cent part, then they > can go to the hardware store, buy some material, go out in the garage > and spend an hour or two and make one. What's ones time worth? > Think about it this way, what's the company's cost to make one 50 cent > part, or what's the company's cost to make 100, 50 cent parts? I feel > $20 or $25 is a good deal. > Bob > > */ions.com>/* wrote: > > You get what you pay for gentlemen! Fred Marrs > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: >> >> When an item is under a dollar, somewhere the company has to >> cover their cost for doing the order, and packaging and >> shipping the item. Honestly, for a 5 cent item do you think >> they could do that for another 41 cents postage and work for >> free? Most companies figure between $50 and $100 internal >> cost to process a purchase order, so $5 for doing an order is >> not all that bad. Sure it is honest. >> Bill Shenefelt >> >> A while back, we had two controversies on Naktalk about belts and >> ESL's repair costs. >> Back then, Tom shot me an email arguing the virtues of "market >> forces" - basically, the idea that if you offer a product at too >> high a price, somebody will come in under you and take your >> business away. >> Since then, I have seen the price of BX series idler tires come >> down from $10 to the current $3.41 on eBay. >> I think a couple of years ago ESL was charging around $15 on ebay, >> including shipping, for an idler tire, and even they are now down >> to around $8. The same thing is now happening with belts - Fred >> Marrs is being consistently undersold on eBay. The latest kits on >> eBay are $10 for what he was selling earlier this year at $25. >> There's a saying I heard in India, if you go for the wool, you can >> shear the sheep over and over. If you go for the meat, you only >> get it once. >> Jeff W > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Nov 1 20:53:08 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:53:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new donations Message-ID: <472A2EA4.5060205@xs4all.nl> There are 2 new donations to naks.com: 1) In Minneapolis, MN (55120): Partial guts of Chassis with good heads boards etc. missing meters canabalized meters for another deck 2) InTampa, Florida: a variety of parts from about 3 582's If you're interested let me know. Wouter From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 1 21:44:29 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <472A25AF.6060900@rcn.com> Message-ID: <920572.14655.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, You didn't understand my point. $20 for a $0.50 is fine considering the alternatives which is making it yourself (IF it could even be done) which would take hours out of your day so what's someone's time worth? Bob Ron wrote: Bob, you are missing the point. The cost of the part is *not* the issue. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Well if someone doesn't want to pay $20 for a 50 cent part, then they > can go to the hardware store, buy some material, go out in the garage > and spend an hour or two and make one. What's ones time worth? > Think about it this way, what's the company's cost to make one 50 cent > part, or what's the company's cost to make 100, 50 cent parts? I feel > $20 or $25 is a good deal. > Bob > > */ions.com>/* wrote: > > You get what you pay for gentlemen! Fred Marrs > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: >> >> When an item is under a dollar, somewhere the company has to >> cover their cost for doing the order, and packaging and >> shipping the item. Honestly, for a 5 cent item do you think >> they could do that for another 41 cents postage and work for >> free? Most companies figure between $50 and $100 internal >> cost to process a purchase order, so $5 for doing an order is >> not all that bad. Sure it is honest. >> Bill Shenefelt >> >> A while back, we had two controversies on Naktalk about belts and >> ESL's repair costs. >> Back then, Tom shot me an email arguing the virtues of "market >> forces" - basically, the idea that if you offer a product at too >> high a price, somebody will come in under you and take your >> business away. >> Since then, I have seen the price of BX series idler tires come >> down from $10 to the current $3.41 on eBay. >> I think a couple of years ago ESL was charging around $15 on ebay, >> including shipping, for an idler tire, and even they are now down >> to around $8. The same thing is now happening with belts - Fred >> Marrs is being consistently undersold on eBay. The latest kits on >> eBay are $10 for what he was selling earlier this year at $25. >> There's a saying I heard in India, if you go for the wool, you can >> shear the sheep over and over. If you go for the meat, you only >> get it once. >> Jeff W > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Thu Nov 1 22:33:47 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? Message-ID: I guess the slightly aggrivating part of this for me is that he (the seller) said in his eBay listing for the idler wheel that he had the retaining clips available as well. I included a note on the PayPal payment for him to include them as well; a note which, it turns out, he never read. Had he tossed them into the package, it wouldn't have increased his shipping or handling cost as well. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 2 00:24:27 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:24:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <920572.14655.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <920572.14655.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <472A602B.4020206@rcn.com> Sure... and from that point of view, a loaf of bread is worth $25, at least. Product cost should be a function of what it costs the manufacturer (not the consumer) to make -- but that belongs in a completely different thread :-). -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, You didn't understand my point. $20 for a $0.50 is fine > considering the alternatives which is making it yourself (IF it could > even be done) which would take hours out of your day so what's someone's > time worth? > Bob > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Bob, you are missing the point. The cost of the part > is *not* the issue. > > -- Ron > > > Bob Naylor wrote: > > Well if someone doesn't want to pay $20 for a 50 cent part, then > they > > can go to the hardware store, buy some material, go out in the > garage > > and spend an hour or two and make one. What's ones time worth? > > Think about it this way, what's the company's cost to make one 50 > cent > > part, or what's the company's cost to make 100, 50 cent parts? I > feel > > $20 or $25 is a good deal. > > Bob > > > > */ions.com>/* wrote: > > > > You get what you pay for gentlemen! Fred Marrs > > > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: > >> > >> When an item is under a dollar, somewhere the company has to > >> cover their cost for doing the order, and packaging and > >> shipping the item. Honestly, for a 5 cent item do you think > >> they could do that for another 41 cents postage and work for > >> free? Most companies figure between $50 and $100 internal > >> cost to process a purchase order, so $5 for doing an order is > >> not all that bad. Sure it is honest. > >> Bill Shenefelt > >> > >> A while back, we had two controversies on Naktalk about belts and > >> ESL's repair costs. > >> Back then, Tom shot me an email arguing the virtues of "market > >> forces" - basically, the idea that if you offer a product at too > >> high a price, somebody will come in under you and take your > >> business away. > >> Since then, I have seen the price of BX series idler tires come > >> down from $10 to the current $3.41 on eBay. > >> I think a couple of years ago ESL was charging around $15 on ebay, > >> including shipping, for an idler tire, and even they are now down > >> to around $8. The same thing is now happening with belts - Fred > >> Marrs is being consistently undersold on eBay. The latest kits on > >> eBay are $10 for what he was selling earlier this year at $25. > >> There's a saying I heard in India, if you go for the wool, you can > >> shear the sheep over and over. If you go for the meat, you only > >> get it once. > >> Jeff W > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Nov 2 08:33:00 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 00:33:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] new donations Message-ID: > 1) In Minneapolis, MN (55120): Partial guts of Chassis with good > heads > boards etc. missing meters canabalized meters for another deck Uh, the chassis of what kind of machine?-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Nov 2 09:13:01 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:13:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] new donations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472ADC0D.3020202@xs4all.nl> Good point, i must have left that out... A 480. Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> 1) In Minneapolis, MN (55120): Partial guts of Chassis with good heads >> boards etc. missing meters canabalized meters for another deck > > Uh, the chassis of what kind of machine?-kby From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Nov 2 09:46:05 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:46:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new donations In-Reply-To: <472ADC0D.3020202@xs4all.nl> References: <472ADC0D.3020202@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <472AE3CD.6050501@otenet.gr> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Good point, i must have left that out... A 480. > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >>> 1) In Minneapolis, MN (55120): Partial guts of Chassis with good >>> heads boards etc. missing meters canabalized meters for another deck >> >> >> Uh, the chassis of what kind of machine?-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Wouter, I need the Cam motor from the 480 if it is the same with the RX 505 cam motor...Can anyone from the forum confirm the compatibility the cam motor compatibility between these 2 models? And since i do not know how it works technically (the donation) can you give me some info (could be outside the forum i am certain most Nak Talkers know more about it ......) Thanking you in advance Manos From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Nov 2 12:53:00 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:53:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi headphone amp quality Message-ID: I am wondering how the sound from the headphone amp of a Nak deck rates for quality. The reason for this is that I am comparing the headphone sound from my ZX-9 with the headphone sound from a newly acquired SR3 Nak receiver as well as from my usual Luxman A-370 integrated amplifier. The SR3 sounds good but has a more raw sound (though possibly cleaner) than direct from the ZX-9, whereas the Luxman has pretty much the same sound as the ZX-9. The comparison of amps is much the same through speakers. David From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 2 15:14:00 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:14:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] new donations In-Reply-To: <472AE3CD.6050501@otenet.gr> Message-ID: It is the same motor. BTW what we call the "classic" mechanism, Nakamichi called the "standard" mechanism. This tibit is from a service bulletin. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Emmanuel Komninos Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] new donations Wouter Heijke wrote: > Good point, i must have left that out... A 480. > > Kimo B. Yap wrote: > >>> 1) In Minneapolis, MN (55120): Partial guts of Chassis with good >>> heads boards etc. missing meters canabalized meters for another deck >> >> >> Uh, the chassis of what kind of machine?-kby > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Wouter, I need the Cam motor from the 480 if it is the same with the RX 505 cam motor...Can anyone from the forum confirm the compatibility the cam motor compatibility between these 2 models? And since i do not know how it works technically (the donation) can you give me some info (could be outside the forum i am certain most Nak Talkers know more about it ......) Thanking you in advance Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adolph334 at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 13:54:47 2007 From: adolph334 at gmail.com (Adolph Santorine) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:54:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 vs. MR-2B (or what's a?) Message-ID: Hi Folks: What's the difference between a MR-2 and a MR-2B (it was referenced by someone who was selling a deck). For the fun of it, what about a MR-1? Also, anyone know how to get in touch with a guy who repairs Nak decks and goes by Kannan? I'm a newbie to this list, so please flame at minimum. Thanks! Adolph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information search for MR-2B on my FAQ page accessible from my web site (forth link down). http://www.nakremotes.com/ SJ Adolph Santorine wrote: Hi Folks: What's the difference between a MR-2 and a MR-2B (it was referenced by someone who was selling a deck). For the fun of it, what about a MR-1? Also, anyone know how to get in touch with a guy who repairs Nak decks and goes by Kannan? I'm a newbie to this list, so please flame at minimum. Thanks! Adolph ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 19:38:27 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:38:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The RX-505 coffee table weight update Message-ID: <554213.44687.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> As the subject line suggest, my 505 has become a coffee table weight with the ubiquitous towel draped over it for months now. I can't fathom 'how' after all the trouble to replace the idler tire and all the belts- that transistors, fuses and resistors would be going out. Especially since in the beginning, just fooling around with the carousal and belt, I had that part functioning perfectly, but nothing else. In any event through the 'madness' (which is Nak) and my Nak friend Andy here (who is part bloodhound & part genius), I just replaced the power transistors on the DC Supply board. To my surprise, the unit now stays on, doesn't blow fuses and I have some functions I never had before like FFW and brief RW-thank you Nak god for the opportunity to finally test the new idler tire and motor functions.;-) Now I'm a little more encouraged to find that 10K(B) volume control pot and complete the carousal repair. Parts decks are going higher now on ebay than in the recent past-plus the lying continues about 'mint shape', 'just needs a belt', 'my tech just looked it over' (my guess on that has always been a studious pet that resides near the deck). Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Nov 6 23:53:49 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:53:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Impossible To Find? Yeah, Right... Message-ID: <110620072253.16203.4730F07D0003FFE500003F4B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> He says that he hasn't seen another one of these come up for sale for 3 years.... ...I guess he doesn't visit eBay very often! Gosh, I am looking at TWO of these things sitting in my living room right now! Maybe I'm looking at a gold mine! LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-RM-200-Remote-Control-Unit-IMPOSSIBLE-TO-FIND_W0QQitemZ140176561903QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Nov 7 15:58:25 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:58:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Impossible To Find? Yeah, Right... Message-ID: <328578.83415.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as it works. A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so.... Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kulak at ozemail.com.au Thu Nov 8 04:27:33 2007 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:27:33 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Service Manual Message-ID: <004801c821b7$4d2a78e0$7100000a@corp.halex.com.au> Does anybody in Naktalk have a Service Manual for CR7 available in pdf form? Greatly appreciated if I could get copy. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 05:11:33 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:11:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Impossible To Find? Yeah, Right... In-Reply-To: <328578.83415.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <714216.13478.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And I'd be happy to take it. Hahaha. I've been working on two new remote receivers. One for the Nak 730 Receiver and one for the Revox B-77's & PR-99's. In both cases the first units will go out to their respective testers in the next week. When they're done you will be able to find more information on my web sites. www.nakremotes.com and www.revoxremotes.com SJ Kevin Fetner wrote: I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as it works. A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so.... Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From kiawjin at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 14:04:15 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:04:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Service Manual Message-ID: <531063.48248.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Please go to this website and download the CR7 SM you need.http://www.ebaman.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Kulak To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 4:27:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Service Manual Does anybody in Naktalk have a Service Manual for CR7 available in pdf form? Greatly appreciated if I could get copy. Steve -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 18:31:28 2007 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impossible To Find, Yeah Right.......... BEWARE / Hard Way... Message-ID: <85472.62594.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as it works. A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE This is what KILLED my RX - 505 Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my beautiful slightly used RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and bought both. I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of uninterupted mix tapes with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I hardly used it in CA. First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and now ? resides in places unknown. Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Nov 8 19:10:28 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:10:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: <85472.62594.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <85472.62594.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47335114.4040203@marrscommunications.com> Hello to the group, Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch rollers ? Fred M Fred S.C. Li wrote: > "I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers > wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done > the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I > don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as > it works. > > A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." > > BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE > > This is what KILLED my RX - 505 > > Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my > beautiful slightly used > RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and > bought both. > > I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of > uninterupted mix tapes > with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, > use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ > > Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I > hardly used it in CA. > > First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to > play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the > speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. > > So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and > playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull > the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops > momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... > > Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained > enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and > now ? resides in places unknown. > > Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL > > Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired > remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. > > Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 19:34:47 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:34:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impossible To Find, Yeah Right.......... BEWARE / Hard Way... In-Reply-To: <85472.62594.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <311316.18926.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like the transport control microcontroller is bad. There are probably other decks that you can get that chip from. You might even be able to find it in one of the donated decks. The RX-505 is a wonderful deck and definately worth a try to get back up and running. SJ "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: "I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as it works. A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE This is what KILLED my RX - 505 Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my beautiful slightly used RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and bought both. I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of uninterupted mix tapes with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I hardly used it in CA. First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and now ? resides in places unknown. Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Nov 9 05:30:06 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:00:06 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Loaning a set of gauges for calibration References: <200711081100.lA8B0OvV013618@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001d01c82289$369cf8a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Im wondering if im being too optimistic about asking to be loaned a set of gauges & calibration tapes for calibrating my DR2. But just in case anybody would be willing to spare them, I would like the following : 1) EH Tilt Gauge S (DA 09088A) 2) Stroke Gauge Check S (DA 09090A) 3) Tape Guide Height Check Gauge S (DA 09091A) 4) Tilt Check Gauge S (DA 09039B) They would be handled with care and returned via courier. Thanks and Best Regards Soumitra From luis at peromarta.org Fri Nov 9 09:30:18 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:30:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Loaning a set of gauges for calibration In-Reply-To: <001d01c82289$369cf8a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200711081100.lA8B0OvV013618@zxe.naks.com> <001d01c82289$369cf8a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47341A9A.4070401@peromarta.org> We are working on the clones. If you can wait, they should be ready soon, but no commitment date as of yet. Best rgds, Lp. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi all > Im wondering if im being too optimistic about asking to be loaned a set > of gauges & calibration tapes for calibrating my DR2. But just in case > anybody would be willing to spare them, I would like the following : > 1) EH Tilt Gauge S (DA 09088A) > 2) Stroke Gauge Check S (DA 09090A) > 3) Tape Guide Height Check Gauge S (DA 09091A) > 4) Tilt Check Gauge S (DA 09039B) > > They would be handled with care and returned via courier. > > Thanks and Best Regards > Soumitra > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adolph334 at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 12:15:16 2007 From: adolph334 at gmail.com (Adolph Santorine) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:15:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Modify a MR-1 to a MR-1B Message-ID: I understand the difference is the internal equalization curve. Can I modify a MR-1 to a 1-B? Thanks. Adolph Santorine From manunta at hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 12:34:13 2007 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:34:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Impossible To Find Message-ID: Hi, talking about IR remote controls for Naks, I invite you all to visit my website: www.m2tech.biz. There, you'll find yet another IR remote control for your decks, which I've successfully tested with my LX-5 and RX-303. A dear friend of mine tested it on a Dragon and reports from customers are available on the website, which I invite you to read. I recall that my remote comes with both receiver and handset. By the way, I also offer a version suitable for some Aiwa decks. Marco _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS 30 emoticon per Messenger! http://www.emoticons-livemessenger.com/pages/msnit/index.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 9 14:57:35 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:57:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Modify a MR-1 to a MR-1B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734674F.6050205@rcn.com> Adolph Santorine wrote: > I understand the difference is the internal equalization curve. > > Can I modify a MR-1 to a 1-B? > > Thanks. > > Adolph Santorine Yes, and it's not very difficult for an electronics professional. As to whether *you* can do it -- you are the only one that can answer that :-). -- Ron From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 9 15:25:34 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:25:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Loaning a set of gauges for calibration In-Reply-To: <001d01c82289$369cf8a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: Our gauges project has a set that MAY become a loaner set, once and if we succeed in fabricating copies. These gauges are in Singapore at the present time. The erase head tilt gauge is the most complex piece, and will probably be the last to be built. Why do you think you need gauges? Has someone "aligned" your deck? If you just want a top to bottom check, and the deck sounds great with pre-recorded tapes, I would just put the project on the back burner. If you do need alignment now, I can do the work for you. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Loaning a set of gauges for calibration Hi all Im wondering if im being too optimistic about asking to be loaned a set of gauges & calibration tapes for calibrating my DR2. But just in case anybody would be willing to spare them, I would like the following : 1) EH Tilt Gauge S (DA 09088A) 2) Stroke Gauge Check S (DA 09090A) 3) Tape Guide Height Check Gauge S (DA 09091A) 4) Tilt Check Gauge S (DA 09039B) They would be handled with care and returned via courier. Thanks and Best Regards Soumitra ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 17:38:35 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:38:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Modify a MR-1 to a MR-1B In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <638261.46603.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can find instructions for making the mod on my web site. http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm and looking for PRO-01 link. SJ Adolph Santorine wrote: I understand the difference is the internal equalization curve. Can I modify a MR-1 to a 1-B? Thanks. Adolph Santorine ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 17:41:38 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: <47335114.4040203@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <447926.43315.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You didn't mention what deck they were for. From my FAQ web page I see that Bala said he had pinch rollers for the Nak Standard (Classic) Mechanism. Contact Bala at bg3009ATyahooDOTcom. Scott J. Marrs Communications wrote: Hello to the group, Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch rollers ? Fred M Fred S.C. Li wrote: > "I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers > wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done > the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I > don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as > it works. > > A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." > > BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE > > This is what KILLED my RX - 505 > > Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my > beautiful slightly used > RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and > bought both. > > I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of > uninterupted mix tapes > with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, > use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ > > Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I > hardly used it in CA. > > First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to > play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the > speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. > > So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and > playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull > the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops > momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... > > Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained > enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and > now ? resides in places unknown. > > Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL > > Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired > remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. > > Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Hello to the group, Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch rollers ? Fred M Fred S.C. Li wrote: > "I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers > wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done > the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I > don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as > it works. > > A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." > > BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE > > This is what KILLED my RX - 505 > > Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my > beautiful slightly used > RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and > bought both. > > I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of > uninterupted mix tapes > with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, > use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ > > Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I > hardly used it in CA. > > First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to > play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the > speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. > > So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and > playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull > the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops > momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... > > Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained > enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and > now ? resides in places unknown. > > Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL > > Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired > remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. > > Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Nov 9 23:12:53 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:12:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4734DB65.8060403@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tom, Very seldom have I seen a deck that really needed them. I have had several customers ask about them. Do you have a source ? Fred M hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >Fred, >I have some for the 700 and 1000. Thankfully, Nak pinch rollers seem to last >forever. I wonder why that is? > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marrs Communications >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:10 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? > > >Hello to the group, >Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch >rollers ? Fred M > >Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > > >>"I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers >>wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done >>the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I >>don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as >>it works. >> >>A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." >> >>BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE >> >>This is what KILLED my RX - 505 >> >>Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my >>beautiful slightly used >>RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and >>bought both. >> >>I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of >>uninterupted mix tapes >>with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, >>use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ >> >>Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I >>hardly used it in CA. >> >>First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to >>play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the >>speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. >> >>So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and >>playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull >>the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops >>momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... >> >>Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained >>enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and >>now ? resides in places unknown. >> >>Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL >> >>Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired >>remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. >> >>Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 00:00:47 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <374229.40254.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone!!! Last night my nak died. The transformer overheated. Does anyone have a spare transformer for a nakamichi 1000??? I looked on ebay for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck so far Thanks Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 06:35:19 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:35:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <374229.40254.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374229.40254.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Jay, I can help you...as I want to sell my Tri Tracer 1000/ll for a mere $:500.00 I live in Israel! So if you want it for change the transformer (My unit is a Multi-Voltage one!). Drop me a mail! Peace, Alex! Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:00:47 -0800From: rhamy26 at yahoo.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Hi everyone!!! Last night my nak died. The transformer overheated. Does anyone have a spare transformer for a nakamichi 1000??? I looked on ebay for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck so far Thanks Jay __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From famcar at optusnet.com.au Sat Nov 10 08:54:15 2007 From: famcar at optusnet.com.au (Blake & Tanya) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:54:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <374229.40254.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200711100759.lAA7xE3f000668@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au> Thank goodness its only a power transformer. Just replace it and carry on..Or is it worse than that? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jason Rhamy Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Hi everyone!!! Last night my nak died. The transformer overheated. Does anyone have a spare transformer for a nakamichi 1000??? I looked on ebay for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck so far Thanks Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Nov 10 13:27:18 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <111020071227.28841.4735A3A60005590E000070A922165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Jay: The question that's in my mind is WHY did the transformer overheat? And is the transformer truly dead? Have you measured its output(s)? Even if you replace your transformer, there could be other issues, and the deck needs to be checked out thoroughly, especially the power supply section. *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Sat Nov 10 15:02:44 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:02:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: <4734DB65.8060403@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <405951.7813.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred: I think this might have something to do with the environment where the deck is stored and placed. I have a TEAC C-1 cassette deck by which both pinch rollers became sticky lump because it was worked in a humid environment for quite sometimes. TEAC does not has any of this parts in stock anymore. I have been looking for a pair for over 2 years. I was told the only way to replace them is to rebuild. However, the rebuild cost of one pair is $150 ( a new pinch roller of the TEAC C-3 costs $58 from TEAC U.S.A. ). Mike Marrs Communications wrote: Hi Tom, Very seldom have I seen a deck that really needed them. I have had several customers ask about them. Do you have a source ? Fred M hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >Fred, >I have some for the 700 and 1000. Thankfully, Nak pinch rollers seem to last >forever. I wonder why that is? > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marrs Communications >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:10 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? > > >Hello to the group, >Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch >rollers ? Fred M > >Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > > >>"I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers >>wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done >>the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I >>don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as >>it works. >> >>A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." >> >>BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE >> >>This is what KILLED my RX - 505 >> >>Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my >>beautiful slightly used >>RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and >>bought both. >> >>I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of >>uninterupted mix tapes >>with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, >>use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ >> >>Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I >>hardly used it in CA. >> >>First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to >>play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the >>speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. >> >>So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and >>playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull >>the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops >>momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... >> >>Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained >>enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and >>now ? resides in places unknown. >> >>Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL >> >>Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired >>remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. >> >>Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? 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URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Nov 10 15:52:54 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:52:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: HI Jay, Have you checked the fuses?! how do you know the transformer has gone bad, power transformers dont go bad all of sudden like that! have you checked the big electrolytic capcitors in the power supply, you have to check these things also but again if the transformer has smell like it burned and your testing meter shows either open or shorted wiring then certainly it has gone bad but you MUST! find out why?!! it went bad the large caps in the power supply if the electroytic have dried up can cause the transformer to overheat and burn out! So it will be good idea to first check if the transformer is showing continuity on different winding inside it but if show over limit or 0.0000 on your digital meter than its time to get a new one! Ask wouter he maybe able to find you one from a donated deck. Hope this helps! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 16:25:39 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:25:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <200711101100.lAAB0PQ3013152@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <322191.91002.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com> Jay, Look at some free schematics online for other Nak models of the same vintage and see if the same transformer turns up. Parts 1000's don't turn up everyday on ebay, but other models do...also, I would make sure the transformer was the culprit before I put another in here. Kevin > From: Jason Rhamy > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <374229.40254.qm at web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone!!! Last night my nak died. The > transformer overheated. Does anyone have a spare > transformer for a nakamichi 1000??? I looked on ebay > for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck > so far > > Thanks > Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From famcar at optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 11 08:04:36 2007 From: famcar at optusnet.com.au (Blake & Tanya) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:04:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480z YIPEE I FINALLY FIXED IT Message-ID: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Hi Folks I recently posted to say that my 480z is haunted by crackles and pops in the right channel while recording. The culprit was faulty 10pf ceramic capacitor in the bias trap.!!! Now to recalibrate! Woohoo!! Cheers Blake Brisbane Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 03:27:35 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nak 1000 response Message-ID: <821342.10347.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone and thanks for writing me back about my broken 1000. Many have asked why i think the transformer went bad. The 1000 has vents on the top and bottom. (The transformer is mounted on the bottom.) I always have the nak on top pf my desk so it is resting on the pegs. well i set it on my carpeted floor so it would be closer to my computer while transferring over some tapes. so it was running for about an hour. when it was just sitting ther in idle everything was fine, but when i running some tapes i noticed a lot of heat coming out of the top vent and thought that was strange. then 10 mins later the tape stopped. everything on the left side of the deck stopped working. motors, transport, leds ,everything. On the right side the vu meters were still lit. so half the deck wasn't getting power so i thought i blew a fuse. so i opened it up and started looking for fuses and couldn't find any. But i did notice the transformer was extremely hot. i kept searching for fuses and racking my brain on what happened. It then hit me that i had blocked the botom vent by having it sitting on the carpet floor. the pegs sank into the carpet enough to block the vent holes. but half the deck isn't functioning. the right side still works perfect. It powers on,the vu meters light up. i hooked my cd player up to the input and it played sound out of it perfectly, so the left side that runs the motors and transport is getting any power. I could not find a single fuse in the whole deck. which i thought was strange.i thought maybe i heated the transformer up so much it burned the insulation off the wires???so my plan was to get a parts deck and swap out the transformer along with the board with the caps. but parts are hard to find. thanks Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I looked on ebay for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck so far Thanks Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Mon Nov 12 02:28:43 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> hello group, hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ? old one died thanks, as always, dave dickerson, austin, tx, us From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Nov 11 20:28:38 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <625345.54737.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <625345.54737.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Jay You intend to write me something...but...? Peace, Alex! Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:37:47 -0800From: rhamy26 at yahoo.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000To: naktalk at naks.com Hi alex. Alex Cozac wrote: Hello Jay, I can help you...as I want to sell my Tri Tracer 1000/ll for a mere $:500.00 I live in Israel! So if you want it for change the transformer (My unit is a Multi-Voltage one!). Drop me a mail! Peace, Alex! Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:00:47 -0800From: rhamy26 at yahoo.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Hi everyone!!! Last night my nak died. The transformer overheated. Does anyone have a spare transformer for a nakamichi 1000??? I looked on ebay for 1000 that might be sold as a parts deck. no luck so far Thanks Jay __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. 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Cheers, Alex! > From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter> > hello group,> > hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite > multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ?> > old one died> > thanks,> > as always,> > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 12 14:52:38 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:52:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <47385AA6.4000206@rcn.com> Actually, for occasional use, a cheap DMM will do just fine. OTOH, if this is a serious hobby or a real business, Fluke DMMs will give long service and maintain accuracy for a long time. I'v owned my Fluke DMM for 25 years now and it's still usable. I replaced the display 10 years ago and the current shunts are blown, but it's still within original specs on all working ranges. I recommend that you start by evaluating your needs and your budget. What do you want to measure? Of course, Voltage and current, AC and DC. But what ranges? How accurately? What resolution? How about capacitance, inductance, frequency, temperature? From this you can narrow the choice to arrive at specific specs. Budget will determine whether your requirements are realistic and/or the reliability and quality you can expect. Until you have gone through this exercise, I wouldn't know what to recommend. -- Ron Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Dave, > > You are from US...right...be proudly owner of an American made DMM like > me that I live in Israel, a Fluke one! > > Don't look for "Cheap" Chinese ones...please!!! We live only ONCE!!! > > Cheers, > > Alex! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter > > > > hello group, > > > > hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite > > multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ? > > > > old one died > > > > thanks, > > > > as always, > > > > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Nov 12 15:56:09 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:56:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071112095321.01938238@cox.net> Boy, will I ever agree with this statement!! I recently went through the same search for a DMM and had a very hard time finding a non-Chinese meter. Alex, has it right, if you value your life, buy a Fluke or a Beckman. Around $100 US will get you a very nice Fluke 77 or a Beckman 310. At 01:16 AM 11/12/2007, you wrote: >Hello Dave, > >You are from US...right...be proudly owner of an American made DMM >like me that I live in Israel, a Fluke one! > >Don't look for "Cheap" Chinese ones...please!!! We live only ONCE!!! > >Cheers, > >Alex! > >---------- > > > From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter > > > > hello group, > > > > hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite > > multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Mon Nov 12 18:20:43 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:20:43 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: hobbyist multimeter (d. dickerson) References: <200711121100.lACB0qCP011408@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <031601c82550$5b78bd70$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> I use a Greenlee 606. Decently priced under $100. Well protected against drops, and although not true RMS, it's specs are very very good and highly accurate. Also has a frequency counter and hfe device measurement so it's handy for a budget audio-(non)-techie. From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Nov 12 18:54:13 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:54:13 EST Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter Message-ID: Fluke products are on sale at MCM Here's the code for the discount - _http://www.mcminone.com/_ (http://www.mcminone.com/) Be sure to use source code EMC017 when ordering to take advantage of special pricing. Offer ends November 15, 2007. MCM Electronics, 650 Congress Park Drive, Centerville Ohio, 45459 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 12 16:03:47 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:03:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: <47385AA6.4000206@rcn.com> References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> <47385AA6.4000206@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910711120703o4bc75e9cj82ea6c2d05764391@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if a Fluke is absolutely necessary as well. I've had a Mastech MY64 DMM for 6 years or more and it still measures quite well. I don't know if it will still be on-specs in 10 years, but apparently 6 years is pretty good for something not made by Fluke. My probes still work very well and all the functions work. The selector doesn't have any contact problems unlike the extremely cheap multimeter I had before. 2007/11/12, Ron : > > Actually, for occasional use, a cheap DMM will do > just fine. OTOH, if this is a serious hobby or a > real business, Fluke DMMs will give long service > and maintain accuracy for a long time. I'v owned > my Fluke DMM for 25 years now and it's still usable. > I replaced the display 10 years ago and the current > shunts are blown, but it's still within original > specs on all working ranges. > > I recommend that you start by evaluating your needs > and your budget. What do you want to measure? Of > course, Voltage and current, AC and DC. But what > ranges? How accurately? What resolution? How about > capacitance, inductance, frequency, temperature? > > From this you can narrow the choice to arrive at > specific specs. Budget will determine whether your > requirements are realistic and/or the reliability > and quality you can expect. > > Until you have gone through this exercise, I wouldn't > know what to recommend. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Alex Cozac wrote: > > Hello Dave, > > > > You are from US...right...be proudly owner of an American made DMM like > > me that I live in Israel, a Fluke one! > > > > Don't look for "Cheap" Chinese ones...please!!! We live only ONCE!!! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alex! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com > > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter > > > > > > hello group, > > > > > > hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite > > > multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ? > > > > > > old one died > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > as always, > > > > > > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Nov 12 23:41:47 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:41:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter Message-ID: I HAVE A FLUKE 189 METER AND LOVE! IT:) ITS EXPENSIVE BUT WORTH IT! ALI ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 12 19:29:07 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:29:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: <405951.7813.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: mike, check with Dave Wreski, a friend of mine with lots of Teac parts. dawreski at bellatlantic.net. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? Fred: I think this might have something to do with the environment where the deck is stored and placed. I have a TEAC C-1 cassette deck by which both pinch rollers became sticky lump because it was worked in a humid environment for quite sometimes. TEAC does not has any of this parts in stock anymore. I have been looking for a pair for over 2 years. I was told the only way to replace them is to rebuild. However, the rebuild cost of one pair is $150 ( a new pinch roller of the TEAC C-3 costs $58 from TEAC U.S.A. ). Mike Marrs Communications wrote: Hi Tom, Very seldom have I seen a deck that really needed them. I have had several customers ask about them. Do you have a source ? Fred M hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >Fred, >I have some for the 700 and 1000. Thankfully, Nak pinch rollers seem to last >forever. I wonder why that is? > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marrs Communications >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:10 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? > > >Hello to the group, >Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch >rollers ? Fred M > >Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > > >>"I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers >>wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done >>the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I >>don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as >>it works. >> >>A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." >> >>BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE >> >>This is what KILLED my RX - 505 >> >>Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my >>beautiful slightly used >>RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and >>bought both. >> >>I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of >>uninterupted mix tapes >>with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, >>use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ >> >>Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I >>hardly used it in CA. >> >>First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to >>play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the >>speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. >> >>So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and >>playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull >>the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops >>momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... >> >>Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained >>enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and >>now ? resides in places unknown. >> >>Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL >> >>Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired >>remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. >> >>Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Nov 10 14:33:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:33:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Yamaha 1, Nakamichi 0 Message-ID: <111020071333.5258.4735B310000177450000148A22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ...Actually, the score should go to the designers/manufacturers of the tape transports I'm comparing, in this case, the Sankyo transport found in some Nakamichis, and, um, someone else's transport (possibly Sankyo again, or maybe Yamaha itself) found in a Yamaha I recently worked on. I have just finished servicing a Yamaha K-960 (a really beautiful looking deck, by the way). I replaced the belts and the idler tire. When it came time to replace the idler tire on the Yamaha, I discovered that the idler wheel mounting system on the Yamaha transport is FAR superior to that of the Sankyo transport found in some Nakamichi decks, not only from a performance standpoint but from a servicing standpoint as well. On the Sankyo/Nakamichi transport, the idler wheel rotates on a fairly fragile L-shaped pivot arm attached to the shaft of the reel motor, and the idler wheel itself is retained using a little thin plastic washer. On the Yamaha transport, the idler wheel (which is considerably larger, by the way) is mounted on a small metal bracket that pivots around a screw attached to the back wall of the cassette well. There is a small spring mounted on a little post below the bracket and the ends of the spring are locked into two tabs on the bottom of the metal bracket. The spring presses upward on the metal bracket so that the idler wheel always maintains pressure on the shaft of the reel motor. The shaft of the reel motor has only a very small wheel--possibly rubber, possibly plastic, I didn't check--on the end of it to contact the idler wheel tire--nothing else. The idler sits on its own independent assembly. As for the idler wheel itself, it is attached to its shaft with a small metal E-clip--much more substantial and rigid than just the little thin plastic washer found on the Sankyo transport. But here's the good part: There is no need to remove the idler wheel in order to change the tire, like some service centers do when changing the tire on the Nakamichi / Sankyo transport. On the Yamaha, you simply remove the screw that the idler wheel bracket pivots around and disengage the spring that's pressing on the bottom of the bracket, and in a matter of seconds, the idler wheel and bracket are sitting in your hand. In other words, you remove the whole idler wheel assembly, which is SIMPLE to do. Then, you have all the room and leverage you need to remove the old tire and install the new one, without ever worrying about stressing or breaking a fragile pivot arm, like you do with the Nakamichi / Sankyo transport. The whole thing mounts back onto the deck in under a minute. Beautiful! I would say that this is the perfect idler system if it weren't for a couple of design flaws that can degrade performance. First of all, the edges of the tape reel are not serrated like on the Sankyo transport, which can cause the idler tire to lose traction and slip during RW or FF, especially if the cassette has a lot of tape on it or is draggy. The second design flaw is the tiny wheel on the end of the reel motor shaft. This wheel had a smooth surface, like the tape reels have. If this wheel is plastic (and I think that it is), it should have also been scored or serrated, to improve traction on the rubber idler tire. If it is rubber, then the obvious design flaw is wear and availability of a replacement (this thing is TINY--not much bigger than a pencil eraser). Anyways, I just thought you all might find it interesting to see a different take on the idler assembly. A very good design overall, in my opinion. It could very well be an alternative Sankyo design, because the reel motor looks VERY similar to the Sankyo reel motor--but then again, Sankyo and many others very probably bought their motors from Mabuchi or another "standard" Japanese parts source. *andy* From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Tue Nov 13 16:55:15 2007 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:55:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? In-Reply-To: <004001c81836$3887bea0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> References: <004001c81836$3887bea0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3038CB1AC@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> I own an LX-3 (two actually) and it has been a very good two head deck. The LX-5 is generally more highly regarded as it is a three head set up, but the LX-3 can produce very good recordings and playback. Someone more knowledgeable than I would have to place it in the Nak pantheon- it is certainly not one of the top 5 decks of all time, but is quite good. Very elegant operation and appearance with nice, easy to use fade in and out for recording. Mine has, alas, stopped functioning after 30 or so years, and I have not worked up the time or courage to see if it is just an idler wheel or belt problem. Thom From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jim Plosay Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? Howdy -- I have a chance at a minty LX-3 deck. This to me is a fairly new number and not one that is frequently mentioned. Besides "Hey, it's a Nak!" does anybody have any experience to give on this deck compared to any others? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwana747 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 21:59:15 2007 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:59:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: For critical measurements a Fluke or a B&K meter is great to have. Much of the additional cost goes into buying durability as well as accuracy. Much cheaper in the long run than a stack of failed discount meters which tend to fail when you need them most. It is also useful to have an inexpensive analog display meter to ohm test >non-energized< small electrolytic capacitors in disconnected devices. If the uncharged capacitor is good enough to take and hold a charge you can directly watch the capacitor's resistance smoothly change (increase) as the meter pointer moves. Many digital display meters have a lag time (so the digits don't scroll endlessly) which makes that quick test difficult or impractical. Bob > From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:28:43 -0600> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter> > hello group,> > hoping that some might spare time to discuss their favorite > multimeters...is it necessary to spend significant $ ?> > old one died> > thanks,> > as always,> > dave dickerson, austin, tx, us> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 22:19:05 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:19:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] recommendations please: hobbyist multimeter In-Reply-To: References: <200711110709.lAB79cUO001314@mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au> <35f2b1600336a6c2c249451586d7a144@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110711131319k6dd82eefk686a0e1b2bce5f6@mail.gmail.com> I have an RCA VTVM that I've used for years. It is sturdy, faithful, and accurate as all hell. I love ebay. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Wed Nov 14 19:53:29 2007 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Matthew Stocker) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:53:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naakamichi tp 1200 and McIntosh c200 In-Reply-To: <110620072253.16203.4730F07D0003FFE500003F4B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <110620072253.16203.4730F07D0003FFE500003F4B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: It seems that most of us naktalkers agree that the current Nak car audio is not anything like what it used to be but, this unit looks very impressive and, from an engineering standpoint, is beautifully executed and has no tape transport it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130173674899&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 And, here's the Mac http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shopdisplayproducts.asp?hid=1&id=18&cat=Audio+Preamps&prodid=1024&product=C200 I own the Mac. It is fantastic and the reason I bring it up is because, like the tp 1200 it uses the same concept of isolating the controls from the electronics and is clearly a hi end home preamp. So, $1,000 is not a bad price for a preamp/tuner retailing for nearly $6,000 but, I wonder if it is as good as my Mac mx406 tuner/cd player. Any thought contributions would be much appreciated. Best, Brian From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 15:04:48 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 available for India Naktalkers - contact me offline Message-ID: <28009.24752.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi naktalk India members ( i do not know how many there) - I am clearing my Indian shelf of many Naks including BX 300 / 582. Any takers can send me mail directly. kannan --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. 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From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Nov 14 16:54:52 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Only $7,700 for ONE Dragon -- bid early and often Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071114104805.0191d2b8@cox.net> Please tell me that I'm not seeing things!!!! $14,400 for two Dragons? There's also listed in Air Conditioners so maybe they are very special Dragons. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160180321766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006 From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 20:18:11 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:18:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] HEY, get Kannan's 582 if you can! Message-ID: <6bddc1110711141118r3e83353fgce916b617c8854be@mail.gmail.com> The 582 is a wonderful deck. I could talk for a year and still not heap enough praise on the chronically undervalued 582. I highly recommend getting one if you don't have one! -Tim On Nov 14, 2007 8:04 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi naktalk India members ( i do not know how many there) - I am clearing > my Indian shelf of many Naks including BX 300 / 582. Any takers can send me > mail directly. > kannan > > ------------------------------ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's also listed in Air Conditioners so > maybe they are very special Dragons. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160180321766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Nov 14 22:33:57 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:33:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Only $7,700 for ONE Dragon -- bid early and often In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071114163037.01923920@cox.net> Jeff, I thought to do the same but as I went to pull up the listing, it was pulled already. The sad part is the fraudulent listing mentioned a guy who use to post here about his hundreds of cassette decks, RTR's and other expensive recording equipment. For those who do not know this screwloose guy, do a seach in the Naktalk archives. At 02:25 PM 11/14/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/2007 11:18:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, >rjlbjk at cox.net writes: >Please tell me that I'm not seeing things!!!! > >this is a fradulent listing which has be listed over and over again >- i've already reported to eBay and you should too > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >See what's new at >AOL.com and >Make AOL >Your Homepage. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Wed Nov 14 22:37:56 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:37:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] HEY, get Kannan's 582 if you can! In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110711141118r3e83353fgce916b617c8854be@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tim, I'll second that! While I don't have any of the elite Nak decks to compare it to, and probably never will, I am very fond of my 582. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Skorick Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] HEY, get Kannan's 582 if you can! The 582 is a wonderful deck. I could talk for a year and still not heap enough praise on the chronically undervalued 582. I highly recommend getting one if you don't have one! -Tim On Nov 14, 2007 8:04 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Hi naktalk India members ( i do not know how many there) - I am clearing my Indian shelf of many Naks including BX 300 / 582. Any takers can send me mail directly. kannan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moklaba at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 13:55:46 2007 From: moklaba at yahoo.com (J) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:55:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naakamichi tp 1200 and McIntosh c200 Message-ID: <1389.46693.qm@web31105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a TP-1200 installed in my Maxima with a Nak TD-500 and and Nak cdci changer--very pleased with it. BTW, I hotrodded the TP-1200 changer with black gate capacitors. These decks are getting up in age and are in need of new caps by now anyway. I am also running a simple setup DLS component speakers 6" with a Tru technology billet series amplifer and a DLS 12" reference sub. Best system I've ever had. I highly recommend the TP-1200. No experience with the Mac piece you mention, but Nak did have some really nice DACs in their changer and, according to the techies, has that trademark unfiltered sound that is quite rare in today's car audio pieces. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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May be heard and seen in Manhattan. http://www.nakamichi.com/pdf/SS21_brochure.pdf Was $14,000, make offer From martinferreira at hotmail.com Fri Nov 16 15:06:24 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:06:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 recording Message-ID: Hi fellow nakers Just recieved my CR-5 and upon testing the recording function i noticed that the CR5 has a tendency to boost the highs despite the bias control setting. This doesn't occur on my CR7, however. Could this be related to much talked about recording equalization setting built into some Nakamichi models? Thanks and keep on listening. Martin F _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Fri Nov 16 15:47:05 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:47:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 Message-ID: <473DAD69.8050805@bluewin.ch> Hi Nakers Look at 120184043035 on ebay. From EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 17 18:40:23 2007 From: EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net (EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:40:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 for sale Message-ID: <111720071740.12951.473F2787000ADB040000329722243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCE9D0A080C9B0EB80207990BBA@att.net> I have a ZX9 that has been recently completely serviced by Sir Thomas Brucker and is in tip-top working order. Contact me at Edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net or 615-316-9417 and I will be glad to confer with any serious buyers with pics and pricing. Tommy Hatcher NashVegas, Tn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 05:59:56 2007 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:59:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] An Under-Recognized Peach of a Nak for Sale--Think outside the box B4 reading Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Thought I'd offer this to some tried and true Nakkers before going the ebay route. I know -- and respect -- the fact that many of us tend to wax poetic over those high-end Nakamichi decks, so what I'm about to write may strike some as "heresy," but if you're willing to think outside the box in terms of cachet and snob appeal, in the direction of getting a good, solid no-frills performer... Consider the "humble" CR-1A (or at least the one I'm about to describe!)... The revelation to me was what a "sleeper" this modest little-brother to the CR-7A turned out to be. OK, now, here's the story... I bought it as a "donor" for updating my second CR-7A with a gear-drive. An expense which, by the way, perhaps you -- like myself in retrospect -- have decided to be the practical equivalent of using a howitzer to zap flies ;-) So, if you're looking for a gear-drive donor, you may stop reading here ;-) The machine was retrofitted, by a skilled Nakamichi trained tech known to many on this list, with rubber idlers -- absolutely not a detriment to its performance and a realistic approach as long as the deck is regularly used, and very inexpensive to replace if necessary. It also eliminates the Sankyo mechanism's raucous sounds in fast winding, producing instead a quiet purr. The tech also tweaked its audio performance (including biasing for my three tape formulations, confirming head azimuth, etc) in addition to replacing the counter belt. My preferences have always favored three-head decks, from the standpoint of (1) Confidence monitoring while recording and (2) the conventional wisdom that with three head decks, the characteristics of the record and play heads can be optimiized. So, with that in mind, while the PB sounded superb on this little two-header -- but a Nakamichi two-header, I might add -- I was truly unprepared for the lovely recordings it made after my trusted tech tuned it. How lovely? I recorded some demanding material from CD, containing lots of strong low end plus high level, high frequency transients, using the high-grade Maxell Type II cassette I specified for biasing. I then played it back in-synch with the CD, carefully setting levels, and A-B'd through separate fader pairs of my studio's mixing console. Especially using Dolby-C, I could not discern a difference between tape and CD. Frankly, this is the kind of performance I'm simply used to with three-head premium Nak decks, so it tends to be, well, expected. The huge surprise was having this modest little deck, which has not the cachet of its high end relatives, deliver the goods so well. I next ran the same tests, using the standard grade Type I tape I'd specified for bias. Again, it really impressed me. I also used it to play some of Nak's Reference Series pre-recorded cassettes from Telarc and other high quality masters with lovely results. I haven't yet tried recording to metal, but guessing with proper level setting, it too will be lovely. For a while, I was planning to hold onto this deck, as a back-up or in a secondary system...simply because it turned out to be such a "sleeper." And also, because I've now spent more on it in terms of the "donor surgery"/tire retrofit and counter belt/tweaking service than the typical CR-1A sells for on ebay. But, frankly, I do need to thin the herd, so... If anyone out there is looking for a very clean, near mint in appearance, deck that will do your tapes proud, as well as recording as described above...is not unduly "model-conscious" and can put aside the snob appeal for a "basic" Nakamichi, of known provenance, then you might be the new home this little sweetie is lookin' for. I'm happy to provide photos to those seriously interested. I might also suggest this for a friend who wishes to digitize their cassette collection and is intimidated by your high-end Naks ;-) Again, it'll cost more than you'll typically pay on ebay, but it's not "mystery goods" from somebody's moldy basement or dusty attic that "lights up but I can't test it no further" either ;-) I simply want to recoup my expenses in acquiring and servicing this machine and give it a new home where it can delight its listeners for many years to come. I'd like to get $200 for it. Not cheap, but a solid basic Nakamichi whose performance might just surprise you. And I'll throw in a few chrome cassettes in the bargain. If interested, kindly contact me off-list. BTW, I might also mention I have two other rather nice "basic" Nakamichi decks for sale, another CR-1A (with gear idler) and a CR-2A (retrofitted with rubber idlers, also in mint or near mint condition. And, of possible interest to tape enthusiasts, I have several program timers for sale, including a vintage Nakamichi, and a few superb dbx 400-series routing switchers. Also some dbx Type II NR encode/decode units in the 224 series and a couple of MR-2s. Cheers, and a Happy Thanksgiving to all. Steve Ember -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Sun Nov 18 09:08:38 2007 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:08:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 In-Reply-To: <473DAD69.8050805@bluewin.ch> References: <473DAD69.8050805@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: Are you the seller ? I don't understand german, seems lack the wood box. Le Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:47:05 +0100, vous avez ecrit: > Hi Nakers > Look at 120184043035 on ebay. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Sun Nov 18 18:02:41 2007 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:02:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL 1000 In-Reply-To: References: <473DAD69.8050805@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <47407031.4090302@bluewin.ch> Hi Bernard I'm not the seller. But I thought it could be interesting for a Nakamichi enthusiast in Europe. You are right: The wood box is lacking because the deck was attached to a rack. The seller bought the tape deck from the first owner in mint condition and tested all functions using a new "cassette Sheffield lab Thelma Houston" (whatever this means, I don't know). The deck plays all casettes in an excellent manner. He says that there are no defects. The first owner used the deck very rarely. Because of the age of the deck the seller can't give a guarantee for all components within the deck. If someone is interested he may try to communicate with the seller in Germany in English because many german people speak English. Best greetings Franz BTW there is another ZXL 1000 for sale from a seller in Luxemburg. Description is given in English too. Look at ebay no 160180939900 Bernard Pradie schrieb: > Are you the seller ? > > I don't understand german, seems lack the wood box. > > > Le Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:47:05 +0100, vous avez ecrit: > > >> Hi Nakers >> Look at 120184043035 on ebay. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 18 22:29:16 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:29:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cobalt tape? Message-ID: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> Hi, I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell cobalt(??) cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the first time I hear about cobalt cassette tapes. I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous oxide tapes with different mix proportions. Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? Otherwise, they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco shells, maybe it could be a good blank cassette source? I also found an article on availability of cassette tape components: http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html From kulak at ozemail.com.au Mon Nov 19 01:45:46 2007 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:45:46 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Panel door for LX5? Message-ID: <001d01c82a45$85e29c30$7100000a@corp.halex.com.au> Does anyone have the panel door for an LX5 they don't need? or know where it can be obtained? steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From redwolf754 at charter.net Mon Nov 19 15:19:35 2007 From: redwolf754 at charter.net (Kenneth Shiflett) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:19:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . Message-ID: <000001c82ab7$36563420$030fa8c0@boxq30> I have a Nak BX 300 .Okay heres the issue .It has been working fine and I had been using it to dub cassettes onto CD .It started acting up .It will play for a few seconds then the sound will drop out then I hit stop and play again and it does the same thing ,plays affine a few seconds then the sound gradually drops out and sometimes to an unaudible level .What is wrong with my Nak? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 18:26:27 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:26:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> References: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - either they're more or less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would be some bias adjustment necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape manufacturer/assembler? -Tim On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi, > > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ > > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell cobalt(??) > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the first time I > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. > > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous oxide > tapes with different mix proportions. > > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? Otherwise, > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco shells, maybe > it could be a good blank cassette source? > > I also found an article on availability of cassette tape components: > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Mon Nov 19 22:03:22 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:03:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . In-Reply-To: <000001c82ab7$36563420$030fa8c0@boxq30> References: <000001c82ab7$36563420$030fa8c0@boxq30> Message-ID: Hi from what you describe and based on what i've read about naks, it seems to be a symptom of "orange cap disease" which is caused by old worn out orange-colored capacitors. however, i'd await a second opinion from another more technical savy nakker before reaching any conclusions. Good luck Martin F From: redwolf754 at charter.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:19:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . I have a Nak BX 300 .Okay heres the issue .It has been working fine and I had been using it to dub cassettes onto CD .It started acting up .It will play for a few seconds then the sound will drop out then I hit stop and play again and it does the same thing ,plays affine a few seconds then the sound gradually drops out and sometimes to an unaudible level .What is wrong with my Nak? _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.  Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 19 23:52:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Willy Herman's 700ZXL Message-ID: I noticed Willy is selling his 700ZXL on eBay. I think it has 1 day left. He's been with us a year now on NakTalk. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Nov 20 00:04:59 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> References: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4742169B.605@yahoo.ca> Tim Skorick a écrit : > I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - either they're > more or less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would be some > bias adjustment necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape > manufacturer/assembler? They at least assemble the tapes. I'm not sure if they make the actual tape though. I'll ask them through e-mail! > > -Tim > > On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Deschênes > wrote: > > Hi, > > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ > > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell cobalt(??) > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the first > time I > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. > > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous oxide > tapes with different mix proportions. > > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? > Otherwise, > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco shells, maybe > it could be a good blank cassette source? > > I also found an article on availability of cassette tape components: > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Nov 20 04:19:49 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:19:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Few Tracks You MUST Hear On Your Nakamichi Message-ID: <112020070319.7864.474252550003B54600001EB822155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Here are some tracks that are not only favorites of mine, but they seem to be perfectly suited to listen to on a properly-calibrated Nakamichi cassette deck.... ROXY MUSIC: Avalon - What an beautiful, dreamlike song from a band miles ahead of its time. Bob Clearmountain's mix is absolutely superb, and Bryan Ferry's voice never sounded better. This is the title track from Roxy Music's final studio album (although I hear that they have re-formed and are back in the studio. Fingers crossed!) SCRITTI POLITTI: Boom! There She Was - This '80s dance/pop track is so incredibly well recorded, with lots of crisp synthesizers and great funk bass. It is SO punchy sounding, it literally jumps out of the speakers at you. If you have a decent Nakamichi, this track will KILL anyone who still thinks tape doesn't sound as good as CD. All the crispness and clarity, PLUS the nice warmth of analog. WILLIAM ACKERMAN: The Bricklayer's Beautiful Daughter - I am a guitarist, so you know I had to include at least one solo guitar piece. Mr. Ackerman recorded a few versions of this song, but I recommend the one on his album "Returning", where he re-interprets many of his songs from over the years. If your deck has wow & flutter issues, then this track WILL make those issues apparent. Lots of pleasant higher-frequency ringing due to the fact that he uses steel fingerpicks on a steel-string acoustic guitar. Tape stability is a MUST in order to make these glittery notes sing without warbling. DONALD FAGEN: I.G.Y. This track is from his first solo album, "The Nightfly". GREAT album, by the way, from one-half of Steely Dan's songwriting duo. Another excellent recording, with lots of crispness and lush vocal arrangements. VERY nice on a good chrome tape (I prefer Maxell XL-II). THE BEACH BOYS: In My Room - The Beach Boys were NOT just about surfing and girls. Brian Wilson wrote and arranged some of the most incredible symphonic pop music on a WIDE range of topics, and although the term "musical genius" is thrown around WAY too much nowadays, it really does apply to him. This song, with its haunting, wistful subject matter, has some of the biggest, most amazing vocal harmonies ever to appear on a Beach Boys track. If this song doesn't convince your iPod-loving friends that cassette truly is a HIGH-fidelity sound source, then absolutely nothing ever will. Just some of my favorite tracks to hear on my decks...what are yours? *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 20 04:22:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:22:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . In-Reply-To: <000001c82ab7$36563420$030fa8c0@boxq30> References: <000001c82ab7$36563420$030fa8c0@boxq30> Message-ID: <474252F8.1090300@rcn.com> Kenneth Shiflett wrote: > I have a Nak BX 300 .Okay heres the issue .It has been working fine and > I had been using it to dub cassettes onto CD .It started acting up .It > will play for a few seconds then the sound will drop out then I hit > stop and play again and it does the same thing ,plays affine a few > seconds then the sound gradually drops out and sometimes to an > unaudible level .What is wrong with my Nak? > Could be any of a number of things, highly likely in the transport. I would start with a thorough cleaning of the the heads and pinch rollers. Then, make sure that the pinch rollers (especially on the take up side) are free and press well against the capstans. -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Nov 20 13:06:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:06:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems Message-ID: <112020071206.8985.4742CDDC000A5A060000231922165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kenneth wrote: "It will play for a few seconds then the sound will drop out then I hit stop and play again and it does the same thing ,plays affine a few seconds then the sound gradually drops out and sometimes to an unaudible level .What is wrong with my Nak?" It may be orange cap disease like Martin stated, or it may be a tape transport issue like Ron pointed out, but I just had a BX-300 on my workbench with essentially the very same problem. It turned out to be a bad 100uF capacitor in the power supply. Your problem could have any one of several causes. DOES IT EAT TAPES? Check your tapes for wrinkles or creases. Has the idler tire ever been replaced? As Ron pointed out, it could be a tape transport problem. Here is one way to check to see if the pinch rollers are behaving. Take the front of the cassette door off (press Eject, then lift the front of the door up and toward you). Switch the deck on and press PLAY (don't put a cassette in). While the deck is playing, take something long and thin and gently press down on the metal arms that hold the pinch rollers (the big rubber tires visible at the bottom corners). Don't touch the rotating rollers themselves--just the metal arms. Both arms should feel springy and should be able to freely rotate up and down. When you release the arm, it should IMMEDIATELY spring back up into position and firmly contact the capstan (the rotating chrome spike). Let me know what you see... *andy* From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 17:21:55 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Alps pot Message-ID: <973344.60996.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com> Tom B and Ron; do you know of other Naks decks besides the 202, 303 and 505 that would have the Alps 10K(B) volume pot in their innards? I've been trying to buy another 202 parts deck on ebay to repair this 505, but they're going really high now-like $80+. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Nov 20 17:38:05 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:38:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Willy Hermann's 700 ZXL Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/2007 12:29:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: I noticed Willy is selling his 700ZXL on eBay. I think it has 1 day left. He's been with us a year now on NakTalk. Yeah, I've actually seen his 700ZXL. It's in perfect working condition with the orange caps replaced. If anything, the cosmetic condition is better than the ad leads you to believe. He's also got a 580 manual signed by Etsuro Nakamichi himself up on eBay too. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom? -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: > Tom B and Ron; do you know of other Naks decks besides > the 202, 303 and 505 that would have the Alps 10K(B) > volume pot in their innards? I've been trying to buy > another 202 parts deck on ebay to repair this 505, but > they're going really high now-like $80+. > > Kevin From lenaw at flash.net Tue Nov 20 19:13:43 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:13:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <844783.14139.qm@web80215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom: Thanks for your advice. I will try. Mike hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: mike, check with Dave Wreski, a friend of mine with lots of Teac parts. dawreski at bellatlantic.net. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:03 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? Fred: I think this might have something to do with the environment where the deck is stored and placed. I have a TEAC C-1 cassette deck by which both pinch rollers became sticky lump because it was worked in a humid environment for quite sometimes. TEAC does not has any of this parts in stock anymore. I have been looking for a pair for over 2 years. I was told the only way to replace them is to rebuild. However, the rebuild cost of one pair is $150 ( a new pinch roller of the TEAC C-3 costs $58 from TEAC U.S.A. ). Mike Marrs Communications wrote: Hi Tom, Very seldom have I seen a deck that really needed them. I have had several customers ask about them. Do you have a source ? Fred M hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >Fred, >I have some for the 700 and 1000. Thankfully, Nak pinch rollers seem to last >forever. I wonder why that is? > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Marrs Communications >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:10 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Pinch Rollers ? > > >Hello to the group, >Other than E.S.L., does anyone know of a good source for Nak pinch >rollers ? Fred M > >Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > > >>"I'd rather give my money to the member here who offers >>wireless remotes for many of the Nak decks. He's done >>the work/RD, knows his stuff and has a site etc. I >>don't really care if it says 'Nak' of not, as long as >>it works. >> >>A wired Nak remote for $100(?), I don't think so...." >> >>BEWARE, YOU MAY NOT WANT A WIRED REMOTE >> >>This is what KILLED my RX - 505 >> >>Never had to worry about static discharge in CA when I bought my >>beautiful slightly used >>RX 505 demo from (Federated IIRC), spied the RM 15 at the time and >>bought both. >> >>I was in heaven for the time I was able to use the RX. 90mins of >>uninterupted mix tapes >>with amazing "flip tape" mechanism, 3 Nak heads, addition of Dolby C, >>use of metal tapes and fantastic sound........ >> >>Moved back East to CT and decided to set up the RM (small room) as I >>hardly used it in CA. >> >>First winter shuffled around on the rug, sat in the sofa, ready to >>play one of my cassettes and "pop" audible through the >>speakers........hmmmmm....she's still playing. >> >>So 95mins later she's still playing, and playing......and >>playing....wait.. press the "Stop" on the remote, no response, pull >>the remote wire from the back press the "Stop" OK, she stops >>momentarily but goes right back into play mode.....THIS CAN'T BE.... >> >>Long story short packed up the RX never to be used again, gained >>enough confidence to take it to a Nak tech, who couldn't repair and >>now ? resides in places unknown. >> >>Sniff, sniff...... my RX 505 may she RIP........LOL >> >>Long story short, you may want to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER a hard wired >>remote on any piece of sensitive electronics. >> >>Fred in CT and learned the hard way...... >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? 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URL: From redwolf754 at charter.net Tue Nov 20 18:27:22 2007 From: redwolf754 at charter.net (Kenneth Shiflett) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:27:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c82b9a$9c3cd710$030fa8c0@boxq30> The deck seems to have fixed itself .It might have been something to do with when I cleaned the heads after several plays on it dubbing cassettes to CD ,I cleaned the heads and it started acting up so I let it sit overnight then played it and it sounded fine .I was paniced because I thought something was wrong with my Nak but its seems to be working okay now .I still might take it in and have it checked and tuned up -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of martinferreira at hotmail.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 problems . Hi from what you describe and based on what i've read about naks, it seems to be a symptom of "orange cap disease" which is caused by old worn out orange-colored capacitors. however, i'd await a second opinion from another more technical savy nakker before reaching any conclusions. Good luck Martin F _____ From: redwolf754 at charter.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:19:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems . I have a Nak BX 300 .Okay heres the issue .It has been working fine and I had been using it to dub cassettes onto CD .It started acting up .It will play for a few seconds then the sound will drop out then I hit stop and play again and it does the same thing ,plays affine a few seconds then the sound gradually drops out and sometimes to an unaudible level .What is wrong with my Nak? _____ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let this be a WARNING to all of you -- if you sell me a parts deck that works, I'LL SUE! hee hee.... *andy* From jrplosay at gci.net Wed Nov 21 01:48:04 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:48:04 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Annoying References: <200711201100.lAKB0hGG027694@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006801c82bd8$2cef4df0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Am working with a new-to-me LX-3 and I find the tape transport motion annoying. I always prewind my cassettes by hand to a certain spot before I start recording, and when you insert a tape into the LX-3 it decides to move it willy-nilly where ever it wants. It seems like even if I power the deck on and off it'll move the tape twice. Can this "feature" be defeated or eliminated? From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 21 12:35:03 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:35:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Annoying In-Reply-To: <006801c82bd8$2cef4df0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> References: <200711201100.lAKB0hGG027694@zxe.naks.com> <006801c82bd8$2cef4df0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <474417E7.4010205@snet.net> I can't give you specifics to this model (even though I own one), but there should be a small sensor switch which 'tells' the deck when the door has been closed. If you bridge the switch, then it will think that the door is always shut and would not engage the slack removal when you put in a tape. I'm curious though what is the purpose of hand winding the tape and why the same result couldn't be achieved using the transport controls? Ed Jim Plosay wrote: > Am working with a new-to-me LX-3 and I find the tape transport motion > annoying. I always prewind my cassettes by hand to a certain spot > before I start recording, and when you insert a tape into the LX-3 it > decides to move it willy-nilly where ever it wants. It seems like > even if I power the deck on and off it'll move the tape twice. Can > this "feature" be defeated or eliminated? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 17:27:08 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <514213.64948.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's the reference designator and voltage rating? What power supply rail is it on? Does it blow the fuse? SJ Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2007 4:56:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: It turned out to be a bad 100uF capacitor in the power supply. To anyone who's keeping track of which problem goes with each model of Nak, this is the second BX-300 I know of with a bad 100uF cap in the power supply. JW --------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Nov 21 18:32:26 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:32:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems Message-ID: In a message dated 11/21/2007 8:56:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: What's the reference designator and voltage rating? What power supply rail is it on? Does it blow the fuse? dunno - got it back in a baggie from the tech at Resistance Repair who said "from the power supply." I'm noticing that the same thing happens in the same models - Tom had a CR-5 that had exactly the same problem with the RCA jack inputs as the the CR-5 I bought on eBay once. It's something we ought to be creating a data base on. JW **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Nov 22 14:39:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:39:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 problems Message-ID: <112220071339.26001.4745867F00005A0E0000659122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For the record, this is the information on the 100uF capacitor that failed in the BX-300 that I worked on. First, as a side note, Nakamichi made a significant change in the physical arrangement of the 100uF capacitors in the power supply section of the BX-300 during its production run, but schematically the two power supply versions are the same where these 100uF capacitors are concerned. The FIRST version of the power supply was used in BX-300's with serial numbers ranging from A12701001 - 02000. The SECOND version of the power supply was used in BX-300's with serial numbers ranging from A12702001 onwards. The capacitor I replaced was used in the SECOND version of the power supply. There are two 100uF, 25v electrolytic capacitors in the power supply section of the BX-300. They are labeled C411 and C412. This is true of BOTH power supply versions. C411 works on the +12v DC rail, and C412 works on the -12v DC rail. HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING: According to the service manual, C411 and C412 are identical, with the same part number, which can lead someone to believe that these two capacitors are indeed the same. But in the second version of the power supply, C412 is mounted in a very small space between two 1/6 watt resistors, R411 and R410. In the deck I worked on, C412 had the same rating as C411, but was physically about HALF the size of C411 - most probably in order to fit between R411 and R410. The dead C412 was NOT a replacement. The solder connections for C412 had been untouched, and it was the same brand as C411 (SHOEI). I replaced C412 with an ELNA capacitor that was almost exactly the same physical size as C411. *andy* From jrplosay at gci.net Thu Nov 22 19:01:08 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:01:08 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Annoying References: <200711221101.lAMB1L1J015890@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <01b401c82d31$a88d7770$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> > I can't give you specifics to this model (even though I own one), but > there should be a small sensor switch which 'tells' the deck when the > door has been closed. If you bridge the switch, then it will think that > the door is always shut and would not engage the slack removal when you > put in a tape. > > I'm curious though what is the purpose of hand winding the tape and why > the same result couldn't be achieved using the transport controls? > > Ed > I wind the tape to remove any slack and place the actual start of the tape right near the erase head. That way when I release the pause to start recording, I can time exactly when the tape will start recording without being on leader. Without doing that, there is an undefined amount of time (or lets just say less accurate) before the tape leader runs and you actually get to recordable tape. This LX-3 defeats that practice (which I've been doing for over 27 years of taping) because the deck thinks it know better than me. It's annoying in practice and has lead to a couple of atpes since I got this deck that the music has started before the recording has reached recordable tape due to the leader being improperly positioned. From enoyes at snet.net Fri Nov 23 00:51:28 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:51:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Annoying In-Reply-To: <01b401c82d31$a88d7770$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> References: <200711221101.lAMB1L1J015890@zxe.naks.com> <01b401c82d31$a88d7770$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <47461600.3080508@snet.net> Yes, I understand now. The workaround I always use is to fully rewind the tape and then hit play. With the volume up, you can hear exactly when the oxide hits the play head due to the change in the hiss level. Ed Jim Plosay wrote: > I wind the tape to remove any slack and place the actual start of the > tape right near the erase head. That way when I release the pause to > start recording, I can time exactly when the tape will start recording > without being on leader. Without doing that, there is an undefined > amount of time (or lets just say less accurate) before the tape leader > runs and you actually get to recordable tape. This LX-3 defeats that > practice (which I've been doing for over 27 years of taping) because > the deck thinks it know better than me. It's annoying in practice and > has lead to a couple of atpes since I got this deck that the music has > started before the recording has reached recordable tape due to the > leader being improperly positioned. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 23 03:31:27 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:31:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: Can you believe this deal on Ebay? I have a Dragon that was purchased from a U.S. military guy while stationed in Germany. He owned 10 Nak cassette decks. I purchased his Dragon and ZX-7 together. It was the last of his 2 Nak decks that he owned. I had my Dragon tuned up by mastermind Steve Sank. When completed, Mr. Sank mentioned you have a Dragon running and sounding just like a new one. I truly belive that. I tell people I wouldn't give up my Dragon for $800. The funny thing is my ZX-7 sounds better, and is more usefull for recording purposes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220172738540&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Nov 22 23:30:43 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:30:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test Unit M-9057 Message-ID: <000701c82d57$6e2285a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, Have at look at this item - a Nakamichi Test Unit M-9057 for sale in Germany. www.ebay.com item 140180867400 The text says that the item is in good condition with traces of use. It is categorized a non working due to the fact that it could not be checked according to functionality. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Nov 23 06:40:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:40:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/2007 8:53:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: Can you believe this deal on Ebay? I have a Dragon that was purchased from a U.S. military guy while stationed in Germany. He owned 10 Nak cassette decks. I purchased his Dragon and ZX-7 together. It was the last of his 2 Nak decks that he owned. I had my Dragon tuned up by mastermind Steve Sank. When completed, Mr. Sank mentioned you have a Dragon running and sounding just like a new one. I truly belive that. I tell people I wouldn't give up my Dragon for $800. The funny thing is my ZX-7 sounds better, and is more usefull for recording purposes. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220172738540&ssPageName=AD ME:B:EF:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220172738540&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123) I wondered if there was some shill bidding going on, as there were bids from one bidder with no feedback and another with very little. I caught a guy I know doing this recently and turned him in - eBay suspended him for one month, that's all. Ebay really is a den of crooks, and they know it. They just want their cut. JW **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Fri Nov 23 12:56:07 2007 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:56:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks References: Message-ID: <001a01c82dc7$d655fb00$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Would someone mind explaining what shill bidding is? David Edwards ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks In a message dated 11/22/2007 8:53:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: Can you believe this deal on Ebay? I have a Dragon that was purchased from a U.S. military guy while stationed in Germany. He owned 10 Nak cassette decks. I purchased his Dragon and ZX-7 together. It was the last of his 2 Nak decks that he owned. I had my Dragon tuned up by mastermind Steve Sank. When completed, Mr. Sank mentioned you have a Dragon running and sounding just like a new one. I truly belive that. I tell people I wouldn't give up my Dragon for $800. The funny thing is my ZX-7 sounds better, and is more usefull for recording purposes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220172738540&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 I wondered if there was some shill bidding going on, as there were bids from one bidder with no feedback and another with very little. I caught a guy I know doing this recently and turned him in - eBay suspended him for one month, that's all. Ebay really is a den of crooks, and they know it. They just want their cut. JW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Nov 23 13:46:55 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:46:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: <112320071246.6108.4746CBBF000281A5000017DC22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I CANNOT believe that auction went that high. There had to be some "funny business" going on. Honestly, I wouldn't pay HALF that amount for a Dragon. But then again, I'm just not as impressed by the Dragon as I am by other Naks that I happen to own. For example, I can't see any Dragon sounding better than a CR-7. Mark, I'm with you on the ZX-7. Mine sounds tremendous, too. I'll own a Dragon for my collection someday. It is a fine deck, with a truly revolutionary auto-reverse system. I don't mean to sound like I'm slighting it. But it has never been a "priority" deck for me. Different strokes.... *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Nov 23 13:50:12 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:50:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Annoying Message-ID: <112320071250.9690.4746CC84000BD5E9000025DA22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Jim: All of my classic transport Naks (682ZX, ZX-7, ZX-9) do the same thing as your LX-3. It's no big deal. I just pop the tape in, wait for it to stop moving, then hit Rewind. When I hit Play/Record, I wait 5 seconds before starting the material to be recorded. That way I always know that the deck has reached the actual oxide portion of the tape and it's safe to start recording. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Nov 23 14:00:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:00:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A....Um....WOW!!!! Message-ID: <112320071300.24454.4746CF09000A33AD00005F8622165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> A few days ago, someone (I can't remember who) was offering a well-cared-for CR-1A for sale before putting it on eBay. The seller stressed that the CR-1A is NOT a deck to be taken lightly and that it really was capable of surprising performance. I don't know how much luck the seller had with his sale, but I can certainly say that I agree with his claims about the CR-1A's performance! I had forgotten just how excellent this deck was/is! I recently took possession of a CR-1A for parts. The seller stated that it was not in working order. When the deck arrived, it was in MINT condition, so naturally, I went about seeing if I could fix it. (I'm such a dummy!) The deck turned out to have a very small issue that was easily repaired. I had the deck running again in less than an hour. When I popped a tape in to test it.........it blew my head off!!! WOOOW!!! I could NOT believe how GREAT it sounded! I truly was not prepared for the sound quality I got from this "little" deck. Superb, crystal clear highs that were never harsh or smeared, like I have heard with some other 2-head Nak decks. Bass response was excellent, too, although maybe not quite as warm as my CR-7. I have heard BX-300's that didn't sound as good as this CR-1A does! All in all, the CR-1A is a FANTASTIC performer for Nak enthusiasts (or ANY tape enthusiasts) on a budget. This little guy is going to stick around with me for a while. *andy* From EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 23 17:06:01 2007 From: EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net (EdwinHatcher1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:06:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 for sale! Message-ID: <112320071606.22494.4746FA6900070F02000057DE22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCE9D0A080C9B0EB80207990BBA@att.net> Here is a pic of my beloved ZX-9 that I'm selling which has been recently completely serviced by the "Nak Doc" Sir Thomas Brucker and is in perfect,working order. I'm asking $900.00 and shipping (I will box like the rock-o-gibraltar and ship it, you pay the tab)to anywhere in the world. I accept Paypal (Edwinhatcher1 at bellsouth.net) and can get it out asap once payment is recieved. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/swankmotee/NakZX-9005.jpg Thanx for your consideration! Tommy Hatcher NashVegas,Tn 615-316-9417 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Nov 23 17:48:50 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:48:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: In a message dated 11/23/2007 8:41:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, david.edwards58 at virgin.net writes: Would someone mind explaining what shill bidding is? David Edwards Hi David, Shill bidding is how eBay sellers drive up the price of their auctions by using phony accounts to place bids. If an account has little feedback, it may be a sign that it has been opened recently by the seller simply to have another account available to place phony bids. The one guy I proved to have done this was actually using accounts with feedback scores over 100, but all the items were like $4. He got suspended by eBay for the grand total of one month, so eBay really doesn't give a damn if the sellers cheat - they get paid in percentages! 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Because family members, roommates and employees of sellers have a level of access to item information which is not available to the general Community, they are not permitted to bid on items offered by the seller – even if their sole intent is to purchase the item. Family members, roommates or employees may purchase items from a seller without violating this policy simply by using purchase options – such as Buy It Now – which do not involve bidding. Here's the short version. Typically, you have a second account or have a friend use their account to bump up the bid to find another bidder's high bid amount or set a bid so the seller knows the minimum that they will receive for the auction. If you want to receive a minimum of let's say $100, a friend puts a bid for that amount. If no one bids above that amount by the end of the auction, the seller can now contact the second highest bidder and give a Second Chance Offer for slightly less than $100. Now, isn't that slick for eBay to come up with the Second Chance Offer...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ At 06:56 AM 11/23/2007, you wrote: >Would someone mind explaining what shill bidding is? >David Edwards >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bansijeff at aol.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:40 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 23 18:23:35 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:23:35 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: As far as a Dragon, it is not my priority deck either. I get satisfaction owning one. I play mine very little. Presently it's in my master bedroom closet again. I am assuming my Dragon will last another 20 years. I will not get it tuned up again unless something starts to go wrong. I listen to my two LX-5's the most and use my ZX-7 for recording purposes. The LX-5 gives me plenty of sound satisfaction. There was a Dragon on Ebay two or three years ago that sold for $2800. That one was claimed to be one of the last made and was still in the box. This 'Big Bucks' Dragon has been removed from Ebay. I believe it sold in the area of $3354.00> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:46:55 +0000> > > I CANNOT believe that auction went that high. There had to be some 'funny business' going on.> > Honestly, I wouldn't pay HALF that amount for a Dragon. But then again, I'm just not as impressed by the Dragon as I am by other Naks that I happen to own. For example, I can't see any Dragon sounding better than a CR-7.> > Mark, I'm with you on the ZX-7. Mine sounds tremendous, too.> > I'll own a Dragon for my collection someday. It is a fine deck, with a truly revolutionary auto-reverse system. I don't mean to sound like I'm slighting it. > > But it has never been a 'priority' deck for me. Different strokes....> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Nov 23 19:22:34 2007 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:22:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A....Um....WOW!!!! In-Reply-To: <112320071300.24454.4746CF09000A33AD00005F8622165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <112320071300.24454.4746CF09000A33AD00005F8622165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy (and other assembled ears)... That was ME offering the CR-1A that had so amazed me -- and I appreciate having another set of keen ears in the NakTalk community confirm my experience with this "modest" little Nakamichi. No, I haven't sold mine yet, nor placed it on ebay. Like Andy, I began thinking in the direction of keeping it when no one responded. Guess I kinda assumed the general mindset was not willing to recognize such claims of audio performance made for a deck without the worshipful cache attached to the Nak "superstars." Or maybe y'all thought I was smoking something funny as I listened. (I don't touch the stuff, but I have been known to become euphoric in the presence of lovely analog sound!) Anyhow, encouraged as I am at reading another member of our group's experience, I attach below a copy of my original narrative. If interested, kindly contact me off list, at emberphoto at hotmail.com. This little sweetie deserves a good home! Happy Holidays, Steve Ember ********************************************************** Hi Everyone,Thought I'd offer this to some tried and true Nakkers before going the ebay route. I know -- and respect -- the fact that many of us tend to wax poetic over those high-end Nakamichi decks, so what I'm about to write may strike some as "heresy," but if you're willing to think outside the box in terms of cachet and snob appeal, in the direction of getting a good, solid no-frills performer... Consider the "humble" CR-1A (or at least the one I'm about to describe!)... The revelation to me was what a "sleeper" this modest little-brother to the CR-7A turned out to be. OK, now, here's the story...I bought it as a "donor" for updating my second CR-7A with a gear-drive. An expense which, by the way, perhaps you -- like myself in retrospect -- have decided to be the practical equivalent of using a howitzer to zap flies ;-) So, if you're looking for a gear-drive donor, you may stop reading here ;-) The machine was retrofitted, by a skilled Nakamichi trained tech known to many on this list, with rubber idlers -- absolutely not a detriment to its performance and a realistic approach as long as the deck is regularly used, and very inexpensive to replace if necessary. It also eliminates the Sankyo mechanism's raucous sounds in fast winding, producing instead a quiet purr.The tech also tweaked its audio performance (including biasing for my three tape formulations, confirming head azimuth, etc) in addition to replacing the counter belt. My preferences have always favored three-head decks, from the standpoint of (1) confidence monitoring while recording and (2) the conventional wisdom that with three head decks, the characteristics of the record and play heads can be optimized. So, with that in mind, while the PB sounded superb on this little two-header -- but a Nakamichi two-header, after all -- I was truly unprepared for the lovely recordings it made after my trusted tech tuned it. How lovely? I recorded some demanding material from CD, containing lots of strong low end plus high level, high frequency transients, using the high-grade Maxell Type II cassette I specified for biasing. I then played it back in-synch with the CD, carefully setting levels, and A-B'd through separate fader pairs of my studio's mixing console. Especially using Dolby-C, I could not discern a difference between tape and CD. Frankly, this is the kind of performance I'm simply used to with three-head premium Nak decks, so it tends to be, well, expected. The huge surprise was having this modest little deck, which has not the cachet of its high end relatives, deliver the goods so well. I next ran the same tests, using the standard grade Type I tape I'd specified for bias. Again, it really impressed me. I also used it to play some of Nak's Reference Series pre-recorded cassettes from Telarc and other high quality masters with lovely results.I haven't yet tried recording to metal, but guessing with proper level setting, it too will be lovely. For a while, I was planning to hold onto this deck, as a back-up or in a secondary system...simply because it turned out to be such a "sleeper." And also, because I've now spent more on it in terms of the "donor surgery"/tire retrofit and counter belt/tweaking service than the typical CR-1A sells for on ebay. But, frankly, I do need to thin the herd, so... If anyone out there is looking for a very clean, near mint in appearance, deck that will do your tapes proud, as well as recording as described above...is not unduly "model-conscious" and can put aside the snob appeal for a "basic" Nakamichi, of known provenance, then you might be the new home this little sweetie is lookin' for. I'm happy to provide photos to those seriously interested. I might also suggest this for a friend who wishes to digitize their cassette collection and is intimidated by your high-end Naks ;-) Again, it'll cost more than you'll typically pay on ebay, but it's not "mystery goods" from somebody's moldy basement or dusty attic that "lights up but I can't test it no further" either ;-) I simply want to recoup my expenses in acquiring and servicing this machine and give it a new home where it can delight its listeners for many years to come. I'd like to get $200 for it. Not cheap, but a solid basic Nakamichi whose performance might just surprise you. And I'll throw in a few chrome cassettes in the bargain. If interested, kindly contact me off-list. BTW, I might also mention I have two other rather nice "basic" Nakamichi decks for sale, another CR-1A (with gear idler) and a CR-2A (retrofitted with rubber idlers, also in mint or near mint condition. And, of possible interest to tape enthusiasts, I have several program timers for sale, including a vintage Nakamichi, and a few superb dbx 400-series routing switchers. Also some dbx Type II NR encode/decode units in the 224 series and a couple of MR-2s. Cheers, and a Happy Thanksgiving to all. Steve Ember> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:00:57 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A....Um....WOW!!!!> > > A few days ago, someone (I can't remember who) was offering a well-cared-for CR-1A for sale before putting it on eBay.> > The seller stressed that the CR-1A is NOT a deck to be taken lightly and that it really was capable of surprising performance.> > I don't know how much luck the seller had with his sale, but I can certainly say that I agree with his claims about the CR-1A's performance! I had forgotten just how excellent this deck was/is!> > I recently took possession of a CR-1A for parts. The seller stated that it was not in working order. > > When the deck arrived, it was in MINT condition, so naturally, I went about seeing if I could fix it. (I'm such a dummy!)> > The deck turned out to have a very small issue that was easily repaired. I had the deck running again in less than an hour.> > When I popped a tape in to test it.........it blew my head off!!! WOOOW!!! I could NOT believe how GREAT it sounded! > > I truly was not prepared for the sound quality I got from this "little" deck. Superb, crystal clear highs that were never harsh or smeared, like I have heard with some other 2-head Nak decks. Bass response was excellent, too, although maybe not quite as warm as my CR-7. I have heard BX-300's that didn't sound as good as this CR-1A does!> > All in all, the CR-1A is a FANTASTIC performer for Nak enthusiasts (or ANY tape enthusiasts) on a budget.> > This little guy is going to stick around with me for a while.> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Nov 24 13:19:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:19:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Dragon Draws Big Bucks Message-ID: <112420071219.22907.474816CD00023A9C0000597B22155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> David: Shill bidding is the (dishonest) practice of bidding on one's own auction, usually under an assumed name, for the purpose of artificially driving the price up. Getting someone else to bid on your auction to drive the price up could also be considered shill bidding. In either case, the seller is attempting to falsely inflate the final selling price. *andy* From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sat Nov 24 19:13:51 2007 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:13:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Shill Bidding Message-ID: <001c01c82ec5$c506eea0$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Thanks to all those who have attempted to lighten my darkness over this issue. It does explain a couple of second offers I've had which seemed to arrive rather quickly after the auction ended. I'm obviously too innocent for this world. Thanks again, David From jamiep8 at comcast.net Sun Nov 25 04:04:05 2007 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:04:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Orange Caps Message-ID: <112520070304.4806.4748E62500050861000012C62205886172C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> Hi. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated! I own a Nakamichi 480, which I have had serviced a couple of times, successfully! However, I now seem to have orange cap failure. I have taken the deck apart, and have read breifly about "orange cap disease". There doesn't seem to be that many orange caps to replace. My question is, can a novice replace the caps with success? And where do I find these caps? If anyone out there knows exactly the type and number, and can give me a little info regarding this, I may attempt it myself to. Do I need a specific type of de-soldering tool, and what type of caps can I upgrade to so that I don't have this problem again soon? I'd obviously love to have specific part numbers and know where to order the cops from. Thanks in advance. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 00:37:43 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:37:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Test Unit M-9057 In-Reply-To: <000701c82d57$6e2285a0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <612498.79823.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That same seller has some other interesting Nak stuff for sale. Some people might be interested in the set of extension boards for the 700ZXL and 1000ZXL deck. # 140180867129 Or the RX-series uni-directional autoreverse store display. # 140180867585 or the Nak CD player Test Unit (no idea what it does) # 140180867180 Hurry, there are only 18 hours left on these auctions. Scott J. Per wrote: Hi, Have at look at this item - a Nakamichi Test Unit M-9057 for sale in Germany. www.ebay.com item 140180867400 The text says that the item is in good condition with traces of use. It is categorized a non working due to the fact that it could not be checked according to functionality. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 09:26:54 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:26:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 Orange Caps In-Reply-To: <112520070304.4806.4748E62500050861000012C62205886172C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <755424.91656.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just about anyone can replace the caps. The hard part is calibrating the deck afterwards. I guess you didn't read about orange cap disease on my web site since I list several places to get replacement caps. (www.naksremotes.com FAQ section). I belive the 480 only has 11 orange caps. Orange caps used in the 480 tape deck 0.00056uF = 560pF (561) - C139, C239 0.0030uF = 3000pF (302) - C113, C213 0.0047uF = 4700pF (472) - C118, C218, C302, C303 0.033uF (333) - C120, C220 0.068uf (683) - C305 The only weird one is the 3000pF. This value may be a non-stocked item, but, can be substituted with two 1500pF caps connected in parallel. jamiep8 at comcast.net wrote: Hi. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated! I own a Nakamichi 480, which I have had serviced a couple of times, successfully! However, I now seem to have orange cap failure. I have taken the deck apart, and have read breifly about "orange cap disease". There doesn't seem to be that many orange caps to replace. My question is, can a novice replace the caps with success? And where do I find these caps? If anyone out there knows exactly the type and number, and can give me a little info regarding this, I may attempt it myself to. Do I need a specific type of de-soldering tool, and what type of caps can I upgrade to so that I don't have this problem again soon? I'd obviously love to have specific part numbers and know where to order the cops from. Thanks in advance. 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sun Nov 25 10:28:02 2007 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:58:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Noise after Erase References: <200711241102.lAOB1R8c027374@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c82f45$7bdc4060$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all I been making a few recordings from CD to tape and noticed taht the blank spaces have a slight rumbling noise ... something like wind / breeze recorded in the mic, except the low loudness. This is not the noise that comes from the source .. only in the blank section. I ran a blank tape with the record button on and checked source and tape monitors and realised this noise comes from the tape itself. Is this a bad erase ? What is this noise ? It was not there in my previous recordings and i find it disturbing. Im recording in a DR2 with Type II tape and Dolby C on. THanks for any feedback Regards Soumitra From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Nov 26 02:11:30 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:11:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Shill Bidding In-Reply-To: <001c01c82ec5$c506eea0$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> References: <001c01c82ec5$c506eea0$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20071126011127.JDEC26079.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> No Dave, you're honest and believe others are also. Cynicism does not have its rewards but for the sake of an ulcer. At 01:13 PM 11/24/2007, you wrote: >Thanks to all those who have attempted to lighten my darkness over this issue. >It does explain a couple of second offers I've had which seemed to >arrive rather quickly after the auction ended. >I'm obviously too innocent for this world. >Thanks again, >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 26 19:35:40 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:35:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] out of the loop for a while Message-ID: <10814968.1196102140814.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I just learned many of your NakTalk posts were filtered by my ISP. I am returning to my old email for NakTalk, but you can reach me with either address. If anyone has any unswered questions please repost them as my filter problem appears to be about 2 weeks old. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 26 19:38:23 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:38:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Message-ID: <17502715.1196102303937.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> A question arose about calibrating a CR 7. I see that the Nak reference EX tape is referred to "EX II". The original EX NAk reference was Maxell UDXL1. Anyone know the story of EXII? tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Nov 27 13:53:20 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:53:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Message-ID: <112720071253.27907.474C13400000AA4200006D0322165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom: Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 16:12:44 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:12:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [Fwd: Re: Opinion regarding calibration of T-100] Message-ID: <15423687.1196176364174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Craig and all, Wouter sent a bunch of digests, so I caught up. Amazing what was filtered...certain threads! You remind me of my long promised belt survey revisited. I had found a Kenwood belt that was almost perfect by ordering all the dual flywheel belts I could find and measuring them. Unfortunately Kenwood only had 18 of these left. I got them all but it does not help anyone else! I am now trying JVC belts. I found a JVC motor that replaces the Sankyo reel motor nicely. The belts I need to check are the Australian belts, so I rationalize waiting until I receive them to revisit the belt issue, but I have probably procrastinated too long. I try and devote bench time to NakTalk Naks since I have turned into one of those 9 month turn around techs! tom -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Leckband >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 8:55 AM >To: Tom Brucker >Subject: [Fwd: Re: Opinion regarding calibration of T-100] > >Tom, >I just saw your message on naktalk about an email filtering problem. >Since I hadn't heard from you I thought >I would remail. Hope all is well with you. > > >Regards >Craig Leckband Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 16:03:44 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:03:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Message-ID: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated? When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T) tom -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? > > >Tom: > >Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. > >I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? > > >*andy* Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Nov 27 19:58:29 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:58:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site In-Reply-To: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Anybody been to the daughter site www.vintagecassette.com? No matter where I click on the home page I get a message about "Would you like to copy something from this web site?". As such, I'm stuck on the top part of the home page - I can't navigate through the site. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:04 AM To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated? When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T) tom -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? > > >Tom: > >Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. > >I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? > > >*andy* Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 27 19:40:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:40:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RX 505 parts machine needed Message-ID: <12331060.1196188856795.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a NAkTalk repair that needs the switch behind the Dolby B/C button, and the knob itself. Does anyone have a 505 parts unit? ESL does not have this switch. There was a question about the 10k alps mode pot for the RX-505, and it looks to me like the same pot found in all classic mechanisms ie: 480. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 27 20:17:23 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:17:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474C6D43.50206@xs4all.nl> Hi Dennis, Interesting. What browser + version do you use and what operating system? Wouter Dennis Ball wrote: > Anybody been to the daughter site www.vintagecassette.com? > > No matter where I click on the home page I get a message about "Would you like to copy something from this web site?". As such, I'm stuck on the top part of the home page - I can't navigate through the site. > > Dennis > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Nov 27 20:26:29 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:26:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? In-Reply-To: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <474C6F65.3060300@marrscommunications.com> Without a doubt, Nak SX was TDK SA. Fred M Tom Brucker wrote: >EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated? > When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T) > >tom > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM >>To: hitech77 at earthlink.net >>Cc: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? >> >> >>Tom: >> >>Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. >> >>I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? >> >> >>*andy* >> >> > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Nov 27 21:04:21 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:04:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site In-Reply-To: <474C6D43.50206@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter, Problems with... Windows XP w/SP2 Internet Explorer version: 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_qdr.070227-2254 Works fine on my Windows 2000 systems. Great site by the way. I've got some info for several Sansui & Teac decks. When I get a chance to dig it out, I'll forward scans it to the site. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site Hi Dennis, Interesting. What browser + version do you use and what operating system? Wouter Dennis Ball wrote: > Anybody been to the daughter site www.vintagecassette.com? > > No matter where I click on the home page I get a message about "Would you like to copy something from this web site?". As such, I'm stuck on the top part of the home page - I can't navigate through the site. > > Dennis > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Wed Nov 28 00:44:13 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? In-Reply-To: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <779548.73477.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just my thought. Mike Tom Brucker wrote: EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated? When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T) tom -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? > > >Tom: > >Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. > >I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? > > >*andy* Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Wed Nov 28 03:14:06 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:06 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue References: <200711271101.lARB1l8v008323@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003f01c83164$5ac46490$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Hello -- My Nak 480 has developed an issue where the left VU meter doesn't rest on 0 at rest or turnoff, but sits at about -40 ~ -30 dB. It consistently reads about 10dB higher than the right hand VU meter, even during playback. Is this a calibration issue, or possibly corrosion in the meter assy? Maybe orange capacitor disease onset? Thanks. From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 10:10:01 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:10:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? In-Reply-To: <779548.73477.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <779548.73477.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Mike, It's your statement 100% dead on target! Bravo, Alex! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ?To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.comCC: I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just my thought. MikeTom Brucker wrote: EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated?When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T)tom-----Original Message----->From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net>Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM>To: hitech77 at earthlink.net>Cc: naktalk at naks.com>Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ?>>>Tom:>>Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them.>>I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell?>>>*andy*Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech at bellsouth.net615-331-9241========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Nov 28 13:07:22 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU meter drift Message-ID: <27813153.1196251642944.JavaMail.root@ps4> Jim, I cannot say much ab out orange caps being the culprit. To me it seems the 480 series was not much affected by the cap diseases. One thing I can suggest, and it's easy to verify. Did you recently clean the 480 and wiped the glass window? It is very easy to generate static charge in the transparent plastic window and that will offset the meter behind it considereably. The static can last quite some time, too. Just breathe closely on the meter case and when smog is formed on the window the charge get trensmitted away to earthe somewhere. Immediatle the meter should drop to nromal value. Static might return a little again , but less pronounced and eventually it will disappear. It's not likely to be your case, but it is easy to check. Keep the Naks alive Henk Schenk (Netherlands) www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ------------------------------------------------------------ Hello -- My Nak 480 has developed an issue where the left VU meter doesn't rest on 0 at rest or turnoff, but sits at about -40 ~ -30 dB. It consistently reads about 10dB higher than the right hand VU meter, even during playback. Is this a calibration issue, or possibly corrosion in the meter assy? Maybe orange capacitor disease onset? Thanks. From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Nov 28 13:16:53 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:16:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Message-ID: <5118358.1196252213263.JavaMail.root@ps4> Hello Mike, Alex and Tom I would expect the EX tape would address UDXL I and EX II would UDXL I -S, knowing the Nakamichi inclination towards Maxel on EX setting. But the user guides were quite explicit and informative on tapes to use. Would a CR or DR or RX manual be educational? (( OK, I'm a lazy man too, I did not take a look myself also.)) Happy listening, Henk Schenk (Netherlands) www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Mike, It's your statement 100% dead on target! Bravo, Alex! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com CC: I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just my thought. Mike From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Nov 28 16:20:15 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:20:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX 505 parts machine needed Message-ID: <170385.63034.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> "There was a question about the 10k alps mode pot for the RX-505, and it looks to me like the same pot found in all classic mechanisms ie: 480. Hi Tom, That was me requesting some help again finding the 10K(B) volume pot. I had posed this question before and you recommended that I buy a BX-1 for parts. You also recommended buying the 480 later in the same post. I blindly bought a BX-1 on ebay for parts because it was very cheap. It had no volume pot in it that I could find. I blame myself, as I should have done more research like downloading the service manual and checking first. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 28 21:38:56 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:38:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Message-ID: <28712001.1196282336488.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> UDXL I-S if forgot about that stuff. How different was that formula. tom -----Original Message----- >From: "wnn523484 at tiscali.nl" >Sent: Nov 28, 2007 6:16 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? > >Hello Mike, Alex and Tom > >I would expect the EX tape would address UDXL I and EX II would UDXL I >-S, knowing the Nakamichi inclination towards Maxel on EX setting. > >But the user guides were quite explicit and informative on tapes to >use. Would a CR or DR or RX manual be educational? > >(( OK, I'm a lazy man too, I did not take a look myself also.)) > >Happy listening, >Henk Schenk (Netherlands) >www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Hello Mike, > >It's your statement 100% dead on target! > >Bravo, > >Alex! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800 >From: lenaw at flash.net >Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com >CC: > >I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just >my thought. > >Mike > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 28 23:25:37 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:25:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Alps pot Message-ID: <6804447.1196288737554.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kevin, If I said a BX 1 had a control I was wrong. I'm sorry. The mode pot in the RX 505 is part # B7240. In the 480 the pot is B7240, so there's the research. A 480 pot will repair your RX-505. I have a 480 parts deck and can send you the pot for $7 post paid. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Nov 28, 2007 9:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX 505 parts machine needed > >"There was a question about the 10k alps mode pot for >the RX-505, and it looks to me like the same pot found >in all classic mechanisms ie: 480. > >Hi Tom, >That was me requesting some help again finding the >10K(B) volume pot. I had posed this question before >and you recommended that I buy a BX-1 for parts. You >also recommended buying the 480 later in the same >post. I blindly bought a BX-1 on ebay for parts >because it was very cheap. It had no volume pot in it >that I could find. I blame myself, as I should have >done more research like downloading the service manual >and checking first. > >Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you >with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 28 21:35:46 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:35:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: <30271144.1196282146253.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> jim, If it needs a new meter I have a salvaged set. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Plosay >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 8:14 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue > >Hello -- My Nak 480 has developed an issue where the left VU meter doesn't >rest on 0 at rest or turnoff, but sits at about -40 ~ -30 dB. It >consistently reads about 10dB higher than the right hand VU meter, even >during playback. Is this a calibration issue, or possibly corrosion in the >meter assy? Maybe orange capacitor disease onset? > >Thanks. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 29 01:49:08 2007 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:49:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? References: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net><779548.73477.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009f01c83221$a6e600a0$6601a8c0@wtgd24g> I've been monitoring NakTalk for a couple of months as I have a BX-300 that had started giving me problems with eating tapes and no FF or RW. I was getting ready to change the idler wheel after seeing the traffic but found some old Teac Rubber conditioner from my 2300S R2R and decided to try using that before I attacked the clip holding the idler. I must be doing something right because that was all I needed. Anyway I purchased this deck new and have the paperwork so when I saw the question on tape I looked at my papers. Here is what I found for the BX-300 (I'll paraphrase but the brand/designation is a direct quote): EX (I) was identified for: Nakamichi EX, EXII; Fuji FRI; Maxell UD, UD-XL I, XL I-S; and TDK AD, AD-X SX (II) was identified for: Nakamichi SX, SXII; Fuji FRII; Maxell UD-XL II, XL II-S; and TDK SA, SA-X ZX (IV) was identified for: Nakamichi ZX; Fuji FR Metal; Maxell MX; and TDK MA, MA-R The note accompanying the table is as follows: "This cassette deck was calibrated at the factory with Nakamichi reference tapes. To obtain optimum results and fully realize this deck's potential, the use of Nakamichi tapes is recommended. When using other tapes, you should choose tapes from the list, whenever possible." Now this begs the question of whom supplied the tapes to Nakamichi but it does address the EXII reference that has been passing around. Regards & thanks for the great information Bill Greenleaf Melbourne, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Hello Mike, It's your statement 100% dead on target! Bravo, Alex! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800 From: lenaw at flash.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com CC: I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just my thought. Mike Tom Brucker wrote: EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated? When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T) tom -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM >To: hitech77 at earthlink.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? > > >Tom: > >Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them. > >I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell? > > >*andy* Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 10:32:32 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:32:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? In-Reply-To: <009f01c83221$a6e600a0$6601a8c0@wtgd24g> References: <28107404.1196175824769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net><779548.73477.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009f01c83221$a6e600a0$6601a8c0@wtgd24g> Message-ID: Dear Bill. What Nakamichi means at that epoch...was 100% to TDK as their FIRST selection of cassette brand...whatsoever, you want to use ...as per example...Normal (EX-EX-ll) TDK AD,AD-X, Chrome & derivates type Cobalt etc...NOT...NOT...Ferrochrome typifies...SX...TDK SA, SA-X & finally to Metal ones...ZX...TDK MA,MA-R. Now my dear Bill, trusting that you comprehend 100% what I wrote...all the examples were possible to use...specially if you can adjust the Level + Bias for each individually cassette! BTW...When I brought cassettes, always acquired boxes with the same production numbers...so once I calibrated the first one...all the others from the same cardboard packaged...was already 95% calibrated! + never stored at any warm, dusty places!. Peace, Alex! From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ?Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:49:08 -0500 I've been monitoring NakTalk for a couple of months as I have a BX-300 that had started giving me problems with eating tapes and no FF or RW. I was getting ready to change the idler wheel after seeing the traffic but found some old Teac Rubber conditioner from my 2300S R2R and decided to try using that before I attacked the clip holding the idler. I must be doing something right because that was all I needed. Anyway I purchased this deck new and have the paperwork so when I saw the question on tape I looked at my papers. Here is what I found for the BX-300 (I'll paraphrase but the brand/designation is a direct quote): EX (I) was identified for: Nakamichi EX, EXII; Fuji FRI; Maxell UD, UD-XL I, XL I-S; and TDK AD, AD-X SX (II) was identified for: Nakamichi SX, SXII; Fuji FRII; Maxell UD-XL II, XL II-S; and TDK SA, SA-X ZX (IV) was identified for: Nakamichi ZX; Fuji FR Metal; Maxell MX; and TDK MA, MA-R The note accompanying the table is as follows: "This cassette deck was calibrated at the factory with Nakamichi reference tapes. To obtain optimum results and fully realize this deck's potential, the use of Nakamichi tapes is recommended. When using other tapes, you should choose tapes from the list, whenever possible." Now this begs the question of whom supplied the tapes to Nakamichi but it does address the EXII reference that has been passing around. Regards & thanks for the great information Bill Greenleaf Melbourne, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ? Hello Mike, It's your statement 100% dead on target! Bravo, Alex! Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:44:13 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ?To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.comCC: I think Nak EX is similar to TDK AD and EX-II is similar to AD-X. Just my thought. MikeTom Brucker wrote: EX II is the refernece for the EX position, so it is a normal bias tape. That's the mysery. Was normal bias tape ever reformulated?When I was trained at Nakamichi I was told that Nakamichi EX was MAxell UDXL I, and Nak SX was TDK SA. I thought it was a bit unusual, but if you realize that Nak would choose the best overall tape suppliers it makes sense. UDXL I is very low distortion tape, preferred by folks that record classical music. At the time I was trained metal ZX tape did not exist (I'm an old F**T)tom-----Original Message----->From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net>Sent: Nov 27, 2007 6:53 AM>To: hitech77 at earthlink.net>Cc: naktalk at naks.com>Subject: Re: [naktalk] what generic tape is EX II ?>>>Tom:>>Perhaps "EX II" was a reference to Maxell's UDXL II tape. They did make that tape -- I've got dozens of them.>>I was always under the impression that Nak used TDK tapes for reference. When did they change over to Maxell?>>>*andy*Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech at bellsouth.net615-331-9241========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.  Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Nov 29 12:20:30 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:20:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] IT-12 hum Message-ID: I bought a Heathkit IT-12 signal tracer to help find problems in my 581 deck (not found yet!). It works OK but has a fair bit of hum from the speaker. >From 20 on the gain control it becomes a buzz. That goes off with the noise switch on. I tried replacing C2 and C3 but that made no difference. I gather that some hum is normal but how much? David From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 29 15:40:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:40:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] IT-12 hum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474ECF57.8020207@rcn.com> David Thompson wrote: > I bought a Heathkit IT-12 signal tracer to help find problems in my 581 deck > (not found yet!). It works OK but has a fair bit of hum from the speaker. >>From 20 on the gain control it becomes a buzz. That goes off with the noise > switch on. > > I tried replacing C2 and C3 but that made no difference. I gather that some > hum is normal but how much? > > David > How much is too much? Enough to make the unit worthless for its purpose. With a shorted probe (ground lead to tip) hum should be very low up to about 3 o'clock on the volume knob. There is a myriad of possible reasons for hum -- next to impossible to troubleshoot from afar. However, try to reverse the power plug. This may reduce the hum enough to make the unit usable. Another simple possibility: a break in the probe ground lead. Just measure continuity from chassis to the probe body. Should be a dead short. Just as an aside... Heath saved a few pennies by permanently attaching the probe. I have found this to be a royal pain in the you-know-what, so I replace the grommet on the front panel with a 1/4" phone jack and add a phone plug to the probe lead. Much easier to deal with on the bench when not in use. -- Ron From jrplosay at gci.net Thu Nov 29 16:16:26 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:16:26 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480 VU meter drift References: <200711291101.lATB12ge017180@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003101c8329a$cf6a1f10$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Would the use of a ZeroStat anti-static gun work or be appropriate? I don't want to damage anything else electrically. Heavy breathing doesn't seem to do anything. > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:07:22 +0100 (CET) > From: "wnn523484 at tiscali.nl" > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU meter drift > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <27813153.1196251642944.JavaMail.root at ps4> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Jim, > > I cannot say much ab out orange caps being the culprit. To me it seems > the 480 series was not much affected by the cap diseases. > One thing I can suggest, and it's easy to verify. Did you recently > clean the 480 and wiped the glass window? It is very easy to generate > static charge in the transparent plastic window and that will offset > the meter behind it considereably. The static can last quite some time, > too. Just breathe closely on the meter case and when smog is formed on > the window the charge get trensmitted away to earthe somewhere. > Immediatle the meter should drop to nromal value. Static might return a > little again , but less pronounced and eventually it will disappear. > It's not likely to be your case, but it is easy to check. > > Keep the Naks alive > Henk Schenk (Netherlands) > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 16:22:21 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:22:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alps pot Message-ID: <121282.93606.qm@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom! It really doesn't matter about the BX-1, as I just want to try and get this RX-505 pig up and squealing again. Trying to buy RX-202's on ebay for the pot has gotten expensive. I'll send you a PO money order this week-thanks again! Kevin G Fetner 1213 Bonsella Street Walla Walla, WA 99362 shoeihell at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 18:16:00 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:16:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: <30271144.1196282146253.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <909263.39612.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a 660zx that has the one meter just sit idle in the middle. It used to move some and then less and less.... I'm going to drop it off with Willy Herman to take a look. I've seen several 660/670zx on ebay that look like they have the same problem over the last year. Which models are these meters interchangeable with? If I need a parts deck, will only 660/670zx meters work? Willy says you can't just replace one meter. Can they be rebuilt? Thanks, David --- Tom Brucker wrote: > jim, > If it needs a new meter I have a salvaged set. > > tom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Nov 29 18:52:52 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:52:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: <30271144.1196282146253.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom, You wouldn't happen to have a set of meters for a 660/670 would you? Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue jim, If it needs a new meter I have a salvaged set. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Plosay >Sent: Nov 27, 2007 8:14 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue > >Hello -- My Nak 480 has developed an issue where the left VU meter doesn't >rest on 0 at rest or turnoff, but sits at about -40 ~ -30 dB. It >consistently reads about 10dB higher than the right hand VU meter, even >during playback. Is this a calibration issue, or possibly corrosion in the >meter assy? Maybe orange capacitor disease onset? > >Thanks. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 19:08:23 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Willy Hermann's 700 ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81327.93534.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OK, I couldn't resist since Willy Herman is within driving distance. Thanks to Tom and Jeff for pointing out that Willy had this up. I'm going to have Willy service a couple of Naks, including my first one, a CR-2, which is a very nice deck I thought I'd take in to work. I also got a DR-3 from a relative who decided she didn't want to listen to cassettes anymore - also got her collection of classical tapes. I'll have Willy go over that one as well. Cheers, David --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/20/2007 12:29:06 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > hitech at bellsouth.net writes: > > I noticed Willy is selling his 700ZXL on eBay. I > think it has 1 day left. > He's been with us a year now on NakTalk. > > > > Yeah, I've actually seen his 700ZXL. It's in > perfect working condition with > the orange caps replaced. If anything, the cosmetic > condition is better > than the ad leads you to believe. > > He's also got a 580 manual signed by Etsuro > Nakamichi himself up on eBay too. > > Jeff W > > > > > ************************************** See what's > new at http://www.aol.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Thu Nov 29 20:03:36 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:03:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site In-Reply-To: References: <474C6D43.50206@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: try clearing your browser cache > From: dball1 at woh.rr.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:04:21 -0500> > Wouter,> > Problems with...> Windows XP w/SP2> Internet Explorer version: 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_qdr.070227-2254> > Works fine on my Windows 2000 systems.> > Great site by the way. I've got some info for several Sansui & Teac decks. When I get a chance to dig it out, I'll forward scans it to the site.> > Dennis> > -----Original Message-----> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On> Behalf Of Wouter Heijke> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:17 PM> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site> > > Hi Dennis,> Interesting.> What browser + version do you use and what operating system?> Wouter> > Dennis Ball wrote:> > Anybody been to the daughter site www.vintagecassette.com?> >> > No matter where I click on the home page I get a message about "Would you like to copy something from this web site?". As such, I'm stuck on the top part of the home page - I can't navigate through the site.> >> > Dennis> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.  Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Nov 29 20:59:32 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:59:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/2007 11:37:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fripp_em at yahoo.com writes: I have a 660zx that has the one meter just sit idle in the middle. It used to move some and then less and less.... I'm going to drop it off with Willy Herman to take a look. I've seen several 660/670zx on ebay that look like they have the same problem over the last year. Which models are these meters interchangeable with? If I need a parts deck, will only 660/670zx meters work? Willy says you can't just replace one meter. Can they be rebuilt? HaHa Willy has my 670ZX sitting in his garage with the same problem. Only the 660 and 670 use those meters, and I'm not 100% sure they are exactly the same. I tried buying a used 670ZX to part out off eBay, but it works so well I'm keeping it. Reminded me of Alex - the parts deck that works. Does anybody know why so many 660's and 670's have this problem? Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Nov 29 21:49:34 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:49:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Works like a charm - thanks! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jay Malonson Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site try clearing your browser cache ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > From: dball1 at woh.rr.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:04:21 -0500 > > Wouter, > > Problems with... > Windows XP w/SP2 > Internet Explorer version: 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_qdr.070227-2254 > > Works fine on my Windows 2000 systems. > > Great site by the way. I've got some info for several Sansui & Teac decks. When I get a chance to dig it out, I'll forward scans it to the site. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:17 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Vintage Cassette Site > > > Hi Dennis, > Interesting. > What browser + version do you use and what operating system? > Wouter > > Dennis Ball wrote: > > Anybody been to the daughter site www.vintagecassette.com? > > > > No matter where I click on the home page I get a message about "Would you like to copy something from this web site?". As such, I'm stuck on the top part of the home page - I can't navigate through the site. > > > > Dennis > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Nov 29 23:36:48 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:36:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 transparent window Message-ID: <474F3F00.1020006@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, This subject has been on naktalk before. I'm looking for (now) 2 of these covers for the RX-202 reverse mechanism. People looked into having these fabricated but no such luck (that I know of). Is there anyone else that has the know/how to do this? Wouter From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 00:30:19 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:30:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736329.48393.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yeah, Willy mentioned he had someone in the queue already. The hope is that mine is fixable, but I doubt it... You sure that 670 is OK? My 660 looks brand new and would be prefect with those meters:-) David --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > HaHa > Willy has my 670ZX sitting in his garage with the > same problem. > > Jeff W > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Nov 29 23:42:14 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:42:14 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: <19804224.1196376134386.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> No meters, but I did send some 480 meters to John Nelson, and he is trying to transplant into a 682. He said last week the spacing of the magnet was a bit different. I am going to look at other models. Maybe between all of us we can find a solution. I have had good luck rebuilding meters for Pioneer Spec 1 and Yamaha B2 amplifiers, using my stereo microscope and steady hands, and I would be willing to try yours if you can mail the meter by itself. I promise not to make it worse. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Dennis Ball >Sent: Nov 29, 2007 11:52 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue > >Tom, > >You wouldn't happen to have a set of meters for a 660/670 would you? > >Dennis > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of Tom Brucker >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:36 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue > > >jim, >If it needs a new meter I have a salvaged set. > >tom > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Plosay >>Sent: Nov 27, 2007 8:14 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue >> >>Hello -- My Nak 480 has developed an issue where the left VU meter doesn't >>rest on 0 at rest or turnoff, but sits at about -40 ~ -30 dB. It >>consistently reads about 10dB higher than the right hand VU meter, even >>during playback. Is this a calibration issue, or possibly corrosion in the >>meter assy? Maybe orange capacitor disease onset? >> >>Thanks. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 30 00:54:15 2007 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:54:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Willy Hermann's 700 ZXL Message-ID: <16300459.1196380455667.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm glad it has a good home. I am seriously contemplating buying one as well. The ZXLs are amazing machines. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em >Sent: Nov 29, 2007 12:08 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Willy Hermann's 700 ZXL > >OK, I couldn't resist since Willy Herman is within >driving distance. Thanks to Tom and Jeff for pointing >out that Willy had this up. I'm going to have Willy >service a couple of Naks, including my first one, a >CR-2, which is a very nice deck I thought I'd take in >to work. I also got a DR-3 from a relative who >decided she didn't want to listen to cassettes anymore >- also got her collection of classical tapes. I'll >have Willy go over that one as well. > >Cheers, >David > >--- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> >> >> In a message dated 11/20/2007 12:29:06 AM Pacific >> Standard Time, >> hitech at bellsouth.net writes: >> >> I noticed Willy is selling his 700ZXL on eBay. I >> think it has 1 day left. >> He's been with us a year now on NakTalk. >> >> >> >> Yeah, I've actually seen his 700ZXL. It's in >> perfect working condition with >> the orange caps replaced. If anything, the cosmetic >> condition is better >> than the ad leads you to believe. >> >> He's also got a 580 manual signed by Etsuro >> Nakamichi himself up on eBay too. >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's >> new at http://www.aol.com >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Fri Nov 30 14:46:32 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:46:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU meter drift Message-ID: <7912783.1196430392274.JavaMail.root@ps4> Jim, If the meter is still stuck, it's not the static charge in the plastic housing. The Zerostat would do the trick in that case. Anyway, if static was the cause, the meters would stick half-way, even when switching of the Nak. I don't recall for certain whether this was the case with yours. Electronics will likely to be the cause. I would try and switch the left and right meter to their respective connections on the motherboard and see whether the defunct is changing over to the other meter. Shorting the left and right live wires at the meters is an easier test and then see what happens. In this latter case the tale will be less revealing. A bit off topic: Got a Tandberg TCD310 cassette deck recently, proving to be rather dead on arrival. Only the capstan motor worked but not the head-block solonoid and none of the direct driven reels (No idlers, guys ! ) After an hour hooked on the mains suddenly one of the reel motors started hesitatingly. An other hour and both reels were running (simultaniously slowly running counter acting, Tandberg's way to straighten slack in inserted tapes) and the solonoid for the head block was slowly reviving. In a day the thing worked OK, with not a fuse replaced! A day later I tested recording and that too was working OK, acceptable in sound without an adjustment done. Downside, high W&F, but OK for pop and even that might improve over time in this Phoenix. If Tandberg decks would abound, I could live without (a few of) my Naks. Grin Happy listening. Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl Would the use of a ZeroStat anti-static gun work or be appropriate? I don't want to damage anything else electrically. Heavy breathing doesn't seem to do anything. From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Nov 30 17:19:38 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/2007 12:51:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fripp_em at yahoo.com writes: Yeah, Willy mentioned he had someone in the queue already. The hope is that mine is fixable, but I doubt it... You sure that 670 is OK? My 660 looks brand new and would be prefect with those meters:-) Yeah, the 670 I just bought on eBay turned out to have nothing more wrong with it than cam clunk. The top has some minor scratches, which I can live with. I had put my other 670 in the closet and really didn't think about it much until the recent discussion on Naktalk of this deck versus others in the series. I was really surprised so many people thought so highly of it. I got it out of the closet and did some listening versus the 680 and 682. It sounded quite good, though i personally still prefer the 680. So I took it over to Willy to see if he could repair the meter. Let's co-ordinate our bidding on eBay for a parts deck - not bid against each other. If one comes up, I'll email you. You can have the first one if you like. I just missed a parts 670 for $25 on Craigslist in Petaluma - I emailed the guy within 1 hour of the ad going up, but it went to someone else. I did get a like-new 682ZX that way last summer. I telephoned the guy within 20 minutes of his ad going up, and by the time I got to his house an hour later he told me he had had 6 calls for it. Jeff W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 19:36:04 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:36:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: <19804224.1196376134386.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <610805.76363.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Is this something that just recently started happening to these Naks? I suppose Nakamichi never had any info or bulletin on a common problem. Maybe Jeff Galin at ESL has a fix or replacement part? If Willy says the 660zx meter has problems he would not fix, I could have him take it out and we could send it to you (or would you want the entire deck)? Thanks, David --- Tom Brucker wrote: > No meters, but I did send some 480 meters to John > Nelson, and he is trying to transplant into a 682. > He said last week the spacing of the magnet was a > bit different. I am going to look at other models. > Maybe between all of us we can find a solution. > I have had good luck rebuilding meters for > Pioneer Spec 1 and Yamaha B2 amplifiers, using my > stereo microscope and steady hands, and I would be > willing to try yours if you can mail the meter by > itself. I promise not to make it worse. > > tom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Nov 30 23:50:18 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:50:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200711301101.lAUB1KAR017363@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Ron Thanks for the tips. With the probe shorted the hum is much less and the ground lead is OK. It works fine as a signal tracer so I guess it is pretty normal as is. I agree that the fixed probe is a pain but at least you can't lose it. David > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:40:23 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] IT-12 hum > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <474ECF57.8020207 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > David Thompson wrote: >> I bought a Heathkit IT-12 signal tracer to help find problems in my 581 deck >> (not found yet!). It works OK but has a fair bit of hum from the speaker. >>> From 20 on the gain control it becomes a buzz. That goes off with the noise >> switch on. >> >> I tried replacing C2 and C3 but that made no difference. I gather that some >> hum is normal but how much? >> >> David >> > > How much is too much? Enough to make the unit > worthless for its purpose. With a shorted probe > (ground lead to tip) hum should be very low up > to about 3 o'clock on the volume knob. > > There is a myriad of possible reasons for hum -- > next to impossible to troubleshoot from afar. > However, try to reverse the power plug. This may > reduce the hum enough to make the unit usable. > > Another simple possibility: a break in the probe > ground lead. Just measure continuity from chassis > to the probe body. Should be a dead short. > > Just as an aside... Heath saved a few pennies by > permanently attaching the probe. I have found this > to be a royal pain in the you-know-what, so I > replace the grommet on the front panel with a 1/4" > phone jack and add a phone plug to the probe lead. > Much easier to deal with on the bench when not in > use. > > -- Ron > > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 23:27:52 2007 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:27:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 VU Meter Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <915834.17001.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sounds good. I'm near Palo Alto area, so if something you want is easier for me to pick up just let me know. I also watch Craig's list. David --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Let's co-ordinate our bidding on eBay for a parts > deck - not bid against > each other. If one comes up, I'll email you. You > can have the first one if you > like. I just missed a parts 670 for $25 on > Craigslist in Petaluma - I > emailed the guy within 1 hour of the ad going up, > but it went to someone else. I > did get a like-new 682ZX that way last summer. I > telephoned the guy within 20 > minutes of his ad going up, and by the time I got > to his house an hour later > he told me he had had 6 calls for it. > > Jeff W > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-October.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Oct 1 06:38:08 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:38:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (Sorry) In-Reply-To: <01c201c8038a$d2590a40$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <093020071302.26194.46FF9E53000996490000665222120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <01c201c8038a$d2590a40$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: Hello Andy, Same to me!!!ALEX! > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (Sorry)> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:53:34 +0100> > Oops !!> > Andy - trying to access gives a Myspace error [referred to their Tech > personnel !!]> > Dave> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:02 PM> Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (Sorry)> > > >> > I think I posted an incorrect link to the photo of the part that I need.> >> > Hopefully, this is the correct link.> >> > http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&fr> > iendID=255745040&id=> >> >> > Sorry for the confusion.> >> >> > *andy*> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: > > 29/09/2007 21:46> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.com Mon Oct 1 10:05:08 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:05:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9D218EAECFC65-4A4-59AE@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> Ali, I would not substitute these.? You may create a piggyback cap using 2 caps of pF values that equal the target cap if there is enough physical room. The 2 caps on the main pcb need to be very small as their position is tight.? Have a look at these from www.DIGIKEY.com - Part No P3835-ND - 3000pF / 50V / F Tolerance which are ideal to replace the 3000pF / 50V / J Tolerance originals.? The 620pF caps are very elusive.? BUT -? I have a stock of these caps - 620pF / 160V / F Tolerance which are ideal replacements and?I will supply them if you wish. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 3.50pm Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! HI Everyone!? I have order Vishay Orange Drop Polypropylene Capacitors for my Nakamichi 1000 zxl and they should be arriving any day now. During ordering the supplier did not have the 3000pf (0.003uf)??C102 and C202 on Main PCB?2nd version?and 620pf(0.00062 uf) capacitor there are four? of these in the Record/EQ board numbered C103, 119,203 and 219. ? My question is that will it be OK to replace the 3000pf capacitor?with a 3300pf one ?and the 620?pf with a 680pf one. All the caps that I have ordered will be of 100 volts rating. Any help in this regard will? be?much appreciated. Thanks! ? ? 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 14:11:16 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:11:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (ONE MORE TIME) Message-ID: <100120071211.25031.4700E3E40002B548000061C722155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> GRRR!!!!!! OK, I see the problem with my photo link. Even though I pasted the entire link URL into my last message, for some reason a part of the link text did not activate properly, and you all were basically clicking on an incomplete link. TO SEE THE PHOTO, DO NOT *CLICK* ON THE LINK BELOW. INSTEAD, YOU MUST *COPY* THE LINK BELOW--ALL OF THE TEXT BETWEEN THE TWO BARS--AND THEN *PASTE* THE LINK INTO YOUR WEB BROWSER. ------------------------------------ http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&friendID=255745040&id= ------------------------------------ *andy* From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 15:28:07 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:28:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (ONE MORE TIME) In-Reply-To: <100120071211.25031.4700E3E40002B548000061C722155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100120071211.25031.4700E3E40002B548000061C722155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: It still doesn't work. It looks like the problem is that one has to have a myspace account AND be logged in for the link to work. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On 10/1/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > GRRR!!!!!! > > OK, I see the problem with my photo link. > > Even though I pasted the entire link URL into my last message, for some > reason a part of the link text did not activate properly, and you all were > basically clicking on an incomplete link. > > TO SEE THE PHOTO, DO NOT *CLICK* ON THE LINK BELOW. > > INSTEAD, YOU MUST *COPY* THE LINK BELOW--ALL OF THE TEXT BETWEEN THE TWO > BARS--AND THEN *PASTE* THE LINK INTO YOUR WEB BROWSER. > > ------------------------------------ > > > http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&friendID=255745040&id= > > ------------------------------------ > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 1 15:41:44 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:41:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-5 In-Reply-To: <46FD8499.7070305@rcn.com> Message-ID: Interesting. The CR5 has a significantly cleaner layout, and different Dolby ICs. I noticed quite a bit of heat in the record amp area, suggesting some small signal high current class A design? Airy and clean suggests a better electronic Signal/ Noise performance in source mode. Noise is a weighted measurement, focusing on midrange noise, so significant high frequency noise reduction would make a minimal impact on specification while being audible! Measurement time. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: CR-5 The BX-300 is an excellent deck, but IME, the CR-5 sounds better. It has the same airy, clean sound of the CR-7. The difference to the BX-300 is not large, but it becomes apparent during careful auditioning. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > I was thinking of you working on this. The CR 5 has the BX300/MR1 > direct drive motor. How do you think this deck sounds compared to the > BX 300? > After set up this deck measured 1% THD at +3 Vu, which is a bit less > headroom than older Naks. Oddly all three tape types were -1dB on record > level calibrations, using newer tape formulations. Does anyone know what > the standard tapes were for the CR series? Did NAk continue to make > their own tapes, or had that practice ended? > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > Hi Tom, > > I think the CR-5 sounds the same as the BX-300, as far as I can tell, > just by listening without extensive testing. The CR-4 too - which I > like more than the CR-5 as it has the adjustable level controls. They > seem to be more or less all the same to me in tone and W&F. The > features of the BX-300 are somewhat more useful to me, especially the > adjustable speed control, and the fact that you can do an A-B repeat > function using a remote control, which most NAK decks don't do. They > have A-B repeat, but not via remote. Off the top of my head, only the > BX-300 does this, but I might be wrong about that. The CR's don't. > > As far as I know, the CR series uses the Nak calibration tapes which > were recorded on the ZX-9, a second group of tapes and which were not > the ones used on the classic transport. I could go through the service > manuals and give you the numbers, but I'm swamped with work right now. > > Or are you just referring to the Nak type I, II, and IV tapes? > > take care > > Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Oct 1 16:42:35 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:42:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (ONE MORE TIME) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071001104235.PSOV5.46591.root@eastrmwml15.mgt.cox.net> Andy, There are plenty of places that you can upload photos. I've used photobucket.com for a few years and they've been great. Even when they changed their format, I did not loose my photos....and viewers need not be logged in to view. Give it a try! Roland ---- Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > It still doesn't work. It looks like the problem is that one has to have a > myspace account AND be logged in for the link to work. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 10/1/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > GRRR!!!!!! > > > > OK, I see the problem with my photo link. > > > > Even though I pasted the entire link URL into my last message, for some > > reason a part of the link text did not activate properly, and you all were > > basically clicking on an incomplete link. > > > > TO SEE THE PHOTO, DO NOT *CLICK* ON THE LINK BELOW. > > > > INSTEAD, YOU MUST *COPY* THE LINK BELOW--ALL OF THE TEXT BETWEEN THE TWO > > BARS--AND THEN *PASTE* THE LINK INTO YOUR WEB BROWSER. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&friendID=255745040&id= > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From johngipps at aol.com Mon Oct 1 19:45:51 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:45:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: <200709281002.l8SA1Er1021797@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709281002.l8SA1Er1021797@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C9D26A0ACE5D55-908-155B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in parallel, but there is no convenient way of making 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too high). Hi Ron I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to 470pF + 150pF to make up 620pF. Just having some *fun* Ron. Regards John Gipps ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 1 20:10:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:10:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: <8C9D26A0ACE5D55-908-155B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Much better to parallel than series. IMO Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of johngipps at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in parallel, but there is no convenient way of making 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too high). Hi Ron I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to 470pF + 150pF to make up 620pF. Just having some *fun* Ron. Regards John Gipps ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 20:34:54 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: <8C9D26A0ACE5D55-908-155B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <246943.30421.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just some more additional fun- I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to measuring! never believe what is printed on these caps - measure them with good meters . In my experience , you have to hunt to get correct value within tolerance / make it using two caps. Make sure left and right cahnnel match! Kannan johngipps at aol.com wrote: ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in parallel, but there is no convenient way of making 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too high). Hi Ron I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to 470pF + 150pF to make up 620pF. Just having some *fun* Ron. Regards John Gipps --------------------------------- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 23:29:12 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 again... Message-ID: <335687.8003.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I waited what seemed like forever for the 202 parts donor machine to arrive. I swiped the 10K volume control pot on the carriage motor plate and installed it in the 505. Everything was going OK, all new belts and idler tire etc. Plugged it in , had lights for about two seconds and then darkness-two soldered fuses blown. Jumped the fuses to see what would happen. Over in the corner under the transformer on the pcb board, there was smoke! OK...there's a tier with two resistors above the board-one small resistor soldered in between the legs of another, larger one. The small one is fried. R660 schematic ref #. Part #0BO9214A. Description:RF 1 1/4W J. So this is a film resister 1/4watt and what does J stand for? What are the tolerances? Also there are four NEC transistors over there in sockets. There are just two kinds, but two are together on a metal heat sink and the other two are just singularly plugged into their respective sockets. I doubt if I'll have the patience Andy has with his CR-7. Obviously something is blowing those fuses and heating up the resistor-just replacing the resistor seems fool hardy, because I doubt that's the problem. Any way to test stuff over there in that corner without putting current to it?? Oh and I forgot the worst part (worst by degrees). In manipulating that stupid pot around, the shaft fell out like the other one did. Looks like another glue joint failure. So I'm desperate for one of those Alps pots again. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Oct 2 00:15:46 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:15:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] usb tape deck upgrades.. Message-ID: <86EEEB66-7208-43CA-B59B-70B95DC738DD@thegreatbear.net> hello just noticed this in our local ebay listings: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-upgrade-NAKAMICHI-REVOX-TEAC-PIONEER- CASSETTE- DECK_W0QQitemZ190158684920QQihZ009QQcategoryZ116868QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrd Z1QQcmdZViewItem usb upgrades to your tape deck - seems a bit pointless to me when you can get a USB computer interface for less and use it with any analogue source.. adrian From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Oct 2 01:17:50 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:17:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! Message-ID: Wondering why?! its difficult to get a 620 pf and 3000 pf capacitor?! can anyone shed light on this subject?! thanks! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 2 01:37:24 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:37:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: <8C9D26A0ACE5D55-908-155B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> References: <200709281002.l8SA1Er1021797@zxe.naks.com> <8C9D26A0ACE5D55-908-155B@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <470184B4.8000409@rcn.com> johngipps at aol.com wrote: > > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: > > Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in > > parallel, but there is no convenient way of making > > 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series > > with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too > > high). > > > > Hi Ron > > I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to 470pF + 150pF to make up 620pF. > > Just having some *fun* Ron. Touche. -- Ron > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 2 01:40:42 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:40:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4701857A.90202@rcn.com> And why is that? Electrically, I don't see the difference and series caps are easier to install on a PCB. -- Ron hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Much better to parallel than series. IMO > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *johngipps at aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2007 11:46 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! > > > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: > > > > Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in > > parallel, but there is no convenient way of making > > 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series > > with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too > > high). > > > > > > Hi Ron > > > > I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but you could always resort to 470pF + 150pF to make up 620pF. > > Just having some *fun* Ron. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 05:31:15 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences Message-ID: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was curious about something. What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the rest of your system? I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for the money to my ears. Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables. Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is using. Thanks! *andy* From prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Tue Oct 2 06:09:46 2007 From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk (prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk) Date: 02 Oct 2007 05:09:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) In-Reply-To: References: <200710011001.l91A0N9a027751@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control button is released? My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be the only place where questions of this kind can be put. I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate beyond use. Regards, Peter Brooke From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 11:35:00 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:35:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences In-Reply-To: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, >From the rear of my gifted "Dragon"...goes the originally supplied with the 1000ZXL interconnects one meter length to the rear of my ARC SP-9-MKll control unit. Cheers, Alex! > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 03:31:15 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences> > > I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was curious about something.> > What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the rest of your system?> > I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for the money to my ears. > > Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables.> > Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is using.> > Thanks!> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk Tue Oct 2 12:46:39 2007 From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio Vazquez) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:46:39 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences In-Reply-To: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, I am using original Accuphase cables to link the 660ZX to the Accuphase system. And the Nak sounds better than the Accuphase CD Player! Regards, Clau. On 2 Oct 2007, at 12:31 am, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was > curious about something. > > What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the > rest of your system? > > I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for > the money to my ears. > > Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables. > > Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are > not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is > using. > > Thanks! > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Tue Oct 2 13:20:35 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Can of cables Message-ID: <4891517.1191324035461.JavaMail.root@ps4> Hi Andy, Like you I use reasonably modern Monster Cable (M1000i). But Only for direct hookup in my stereo set. For hookup in my museum, I use almost everything. My preferred choise there would be costum made, costum length RG59 cable. This type of cable is sturdy, solid core copper and 75 ohm. For my reference system I use superfluous Siltech 48-8. Sounds nice for the less electronically sounding (older) Nak decks. Electronicallity in sound source is exposed by the Siltechs rather obvious. My Website is back on track with some new FAQ's; www.nakamichi-schenk. nl Regards Henk Schenk Netherlands ------------------- Van: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Aan: Onderwerp: [naktalk] Cable Preferences I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was curious about something. What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the rest of your system? I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for the money to my ears. Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables. Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is using. Thanks! *andy* From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 13:29:34 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:29:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences References: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002c01c804e7$d307f650$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was curious about something. > > What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the rest of your system? > > I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for the money to my ears. > > Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables. > > Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is using. I have all of my systems pretty much completely wired with cables from Blue Jeans Cable (http://www.bluejeanscable.com). They make a quality product at a reasonable price and have exceptional customer service. Beyond using quality parts and assembling them well, I don't buy into all the cable hype. I don't mean to knock your cables, but I've had a number of Monster Cable products fall apart over the years and feel that they're overpriced for what you get. I don't consider them junk, just overpriced relative to the competition - sort of like Bose speakers (which I also don't consider junk, just very overpriced), but not to the same degree. I equate really expensive cables with snake oil remedies. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From lenaw at flash.net Tue Oct 2 14:56:22 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences In-Reply-To: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <237133.9800.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use MIT Terminator-2 Mike hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I know I could be opening up a huge can of worms here, but I was curious about something. What brand(s) of cables are you using to connect your Nakamichi to the rest of your system? I am using Monster Cable Ultra 600 cables, which sound pretty good for the money to my ears. Funds don't permit me to get the really high-end cables. Please don't trash someone else's cables (or my cables!) if they are not good enough in your opinion. I just want to know what everyone is using. Thanks! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 15:07:58 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:07:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] This Photo Link WILL Work! Message-ID: <100220071307.9662.470242AE000AAF78000025BE22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have taken Roland's excellent advice, and I have signed up with photobucket. It's much nicer than myspace for what I want to do. Thanks, Roland! So now, ONE LAST TIME, here is the link to the photo of the part that I need for my CR-7: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/fusible_resistor.jpg *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 15:26:43 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:26:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 again... Message-ID: <100220071326.12461.470247130002F74C000030AD22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Kevin: OK, obviously something has shorted out or burned up or just plain died. You MUST find the problem component(s). Simply plugging in new fuses won't cure the problem. (I learned that the hard way). The "RF" resistor that you found is NOT a film resistor. It is a FUSIBLE resistor -- also known as a fuse resistor or fusing resistor. It is basically a resistor that acts like a fuse. You can replace that resistor with a flameproof resistor of an equal value if you are brave, but it is MUCH more advisable to replace it with the same type of fusible resistor. Click the link below. Does the resistor look like this? http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/fusible_resistor.jpg It sounds like it is the same fusible resistor that my CR-7 needs. It is a 1 ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor with a 5% tolerance. Forget about the "J" you saw. For the purposes of replacement, it is not relevant. Just the values are relevant. GOOD BLOODY LUCK finding that value of fusible resistor in the USA! But all is not lost. Dave, another naktalker, was kind enough to tell me about a place in the UK that has an excellent selection of electronic parts at good prices, and there is NO minimum order. I was able to find my fusible resistors there. Check it out -------> http://www.cricklewoodelectronics.com/Cricklewood/home.php The two NEC transistors that are mounted on the heat sink are the voltage regulators. They are basically regulating and feeding the power supply for the deck. Testing all four of those transistors is a good starting point, and you don't have to put current to them. Do you have a digital multi-meter? E-mail me and I can tell you how to check them with a good degree of accuracy. *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 2 16:04:38 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:04:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter, The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. With a voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam turns. There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam position. You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and confirming voltages. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control button is released? My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be the only place where questions of this kind can be put. I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate beyond use. Regards, Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kiawjin at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:01:52 2007 From: kiawjin at yahoo.com (KIAW JIN WONG) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK680ZX stop responding Message-ID: <979851.83298.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The deck was ok two days ago and this morning as I powered-up my 680ZX, the stop button's lighted-up and the deck didn't response to other commands as you pressed.And I did check that all the button switches are ok,and the cassette holder's switch is also working as usual.What could be the culprit! Your helping tips are very much appreciated. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 17:31:15 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <305873.12314.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Peter, The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. With a voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam turns. There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam position. You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and confirming voltages. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control button is released? My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be the only place where questions of this kind can be put. I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate beyond use. Regards, Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 2 20:45:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 again... In-Reply-To: <100220071326.12461.470247130002F74C000030AD22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100220071326.12461.470247130002F74C000030AD22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <470291C9.7000404@rcn.com> Andy, just FYI, 'J' is often used to denote 5% tolerance. If so, it *IS* significant. Obviously, a fusible resistor should *never* be replaced with a resistor. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, Kevin: > > OK, obviously something has shorted out or burned up or just plain died. > > You MUST find the problem component(s). Simply plugging in new fuses won't cure the problem. (I learned that the hard way). > > The "RF" resistor that you found is NOT a film resistor. It is a FUSIBLE resistor -- also known as a fuse resistor or fusing resistor. It is basically a resistor that acts like a fuse. > > You can replace that resistor with a flameproof resistor of an equal value if you are brave, but it is MUCH more advisable to replace it with the same type of fusible resistor. > > Click the link below. Does the resistor look like this? > http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/fusible_resistor.jpg > > It sounds like it is the same fusible resistor that my CR-7 needs. It is a 1 ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor with a 5% tolerance. Forget about the "J" you saw. For the purposes of replacement, it is not relevant. Just the values are relevant. > > GOOD BLOODY LUCK finding that value of fusible resistor in the USA! > > But all is not lost. > > Dave, another naktalker, was kind enough to tell me about a place in the UK that has an excellent selection of electronic parts at good prices, and there is NO minimum order. I was able to find my fusible resistors there. > > Check it out -------> http://www.cricklewoodelectronics.com/Cricklewood/home.php > > The two NEC transistors that are mounted on the heat sink are the voltage regulators. They are basically regulating and feeding the power supply for the deck. Testing all four of those transistors is a good starting point, and you don't have to put current to them. Do you have a digital multi-meter? > > E-mail me and I can tell you how to check them with a good degree of accuracy. > > > *andy* From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Tue Oct 2 23:39:39 2007 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:39:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] This Photo Link WILL Work! In-Reply-To: <100220071307.9662.470242AE000AAF78000025BE22165579969C9C01 089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100220071307.9662.470242AE000AAF78000025BE22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <67cmgi$3rlbg8@smtp.talktalk.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Tue Oct 2 23:47:51 2007 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:47:51 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Re: [naktalk] This Photo Link WILL Work! Message-ID: <6384v5$6msp90@smtp.talktalk.net> Andy, If you want 0.25W rather than 0.5W, see RS Stock no. 267-1569 (Resistor,fusible,0.25W,5%,1R0) Kev. >RS Components in the UK have a 1-Ohm 0.5W fusible resistor as RS >Stock no. 267-1660, price GBP0.072 each, but minimum order quantity >seems to be 10 - so less than USD2 total. > >url for the bit is here: > >http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?D=fusible%20resistor&Nr=AND%28avl%3auk%2csearchDiscon_uk%3aN%29&Ntk=I18NAll&Nty=1&Ntt=fusible%20resistor&Dx=mode%20matchpartial&Ntx=mode%20matchpartial&N=0&name=SiteStandard&forwardingPage=line&R=2671660&callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0228779182.1191360240@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdjaddmeehmmggcefeceeldgondhgj.0&cacheID=uknetscape > >Although quite long, I've pasted the url into both Firefox and IE7 >and it works ok for me. > >Hope this is what you're looking for. > >Kev. >At 13:07 02/10/2007 +0000, you wrote: > >>OK, I have taken Roland's excellent advice, and I have signed up >>with photobucket. >> >>It's much nicer than myspace for what I want to do. Thanks, Roland! >> >> >>So now, ONE LAST TIME, here is the link to the photo of the part >>that I need for my CR-7: >> >>http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/fusible_resistor.jpg >> >> >>*andy* >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Oct 2 23:12:37 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:12:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) References: <200710011001.l91A0N9a027751@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00a601c80538$f5c00a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Peter, "Sounds" like the auto shut off mechansim light bulb has failed. Take the lid off the deck and in a darkened area look down into the tape mechanism in the area below the tape counter.. you should see a faint glow. (You should see a small belt coming off the counter running down to the auto shut off mech.) Unfortunately on the 6XX series decks, the tape mechanism has to come out to replace this, a fiddly job that takes about an hour. If you do see a 'glow' , then it is something more sinister :o( , and I'll have to pass! good luck, cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke > > > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 3 00:56:34 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:56:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) In-Reply-To: <00a601c80538$f5c00a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: Yes, Martin is right! The lamp is much more likely to fail. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Martin & Karen Short Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:13 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) Peter, "Sounds" like the auto shut off mechansim light bulb has failed. Take the lid off the deck and in a darkened area look down into the tape mechanism in the area below the tape counter.. you should see a faint glow. (You should see a small belt coming off the counter running down to the auto shut off mech.) Unfortunately on the 6XX series decks, the tape mechanism has to come out to replace this, a fiddly job that takes about an hour. If you do see a 'glow' , then it is something more sinister :o( , and I'll have to pass! good luck, cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 3 01:06:35 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:06:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] This Photo Link WILL Work! In-Reply-To: <67cmgi$3rlbg8@smtp.talktalk.net> Message-ID: Sharp part # VRG-ST2EG1R0J is an exact match. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin McGee Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] This Photo Link WILL Work! Andy, RS Components in the UK have a 1-Ohm 0.5W fusible resistor as RS Stock no. 267-1660, price GBP0.072 each, but minimum order quantity seems to be 10 - so less than USD2 total. url for the bit is here: http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?D=fusible%20resistor &Nr=AND%28avl%3auk%2csearchDiscon_uk%3aN%29&Ntk=I18NAll&Nty=1&Ntt=fusible%20 resistor&Dx=mode%20matchpartial&Ntx=mode%20matchpartial&N=0&name=SiteStandar d&forwardingPage=line&R=2671660&callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_Sessio nID=@@@@0228779182.1191360240@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdjaddmeehmmggcefeceeldgondhg j.0&cacheID=uknetscape Although quite long, I've pasted the url into both Firefox and IE7 and it works ok for me. Hope this is what you're looking for. Kev. At 13:07 02/10/2007 +0000, you wrote: OK, I have taken Roland's excellent advice, and I have signed up with photobucket. It's much nicer than myspace for what I want to do. Thanks, Roland! So now, ONE LAST TIME, here is the link to the photo of the part that I need for my CR-7: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/fusible_resistor.jpg *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 3 03:23:30 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:23:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Control Motor Question Message-ID: <100320070123.17569.4702EF120009AA75000044A122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have a question about the Sankyo transport found in BX and CR series decks (among others). Specifically, it is a question about the control motor. Where exactly are the internal contacts located? I'm talking about the commutator contacts mounted on the center shaft of the motor. Are they located just inside the casing at the "back" of the motor near where the external wires are soldered, or are they located towards the "front" of the motor, near where the worm gear for the control cams is located? *andy* From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Oct 3 09:06:59 2007 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:06:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences In-Reply-To: References: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C9D3A3201BB7B5-CB4-3E01@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Nak 700TT - Nordost Blue Heaven (record) + AudioQuest Ruby (playback) + Wire World Aurora (power), Nak CR-7 - AudioQuest Lapis x3 (playback) + Nordost Flatline 12 (record) + XLO Reference Type 10A(power), Nak ZX-9 - Kimber Kable KCAG (record) + AudioQuest Lapis Hyperlitz (playback)?+ Siltech SPX-20 (power). + short runs of?AudioQuest Ruby?to/from Nak NR-200. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 3 13:06:17 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:06:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control Motor Question In-Reply-To: <100320070123.17569.4702EF120009AA75000044A122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100320070123.17569.4702EF120009AA75000044A122165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <470377A9.4090803@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have a question about the Sankyo transport found in BX and CR series decks (among others). > > Specifically, it is a question about the control motor. > > Where exactly are the internal contacts located? I'm talking about the commutator contacts mounted on the center shaft of the motor. > > Are they located just inside the casing at the "back" of the motor near where the external wires are soldered, or are they located towards the "front" of the motor, near where the worm gear for the control cams is located? > > > *andy* The commutator is located at the back of the motor shaft. The 'commutator contacts' (more commonly referred to as 'brushes') are mounted onto the rear plate and are directly connected to the screws to which the motor connections are made. This arrangement is very common to this type of motor. -- Ron From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 3 14:34:00 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <305873.12314.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <215695.1238.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? NK kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: Peter, The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. With a voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam turns. There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam position. You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and confirming voltages. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control button is released? My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be the only place where questions of this kind can be put. I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes deteriorate beyond use. Regards, Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Wed Oct 3 15:58:34 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo Control Motor Question Message-ID: <8687200.1191419914517.JavaMail.root@ps4> Andy, the commutator contacts are located just inside the casing at the "back" of the motor near where the external wires are soldered. This back end can be removed carefully by bending out the casings' locking at the circumference of the white plastic contact holder. Be careful so the brushes are not bent as those are locked behind a ring on the motor axel. Juggle around a bit while extracting the white plastic holder until the spring load is lessened. I can send you some foto's if needed, or post them somewhere on my site, but these will not show how to dismantle the motor. If you remove the worm first you can extract the complete rotor asembly together with the white plastic unit in one peace. Then you will see the ring holding the brushes back. Keep listening to the Naks; Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl ---------------- Where exactly are the internal contacts located? I'm talking about the commutator contacts mounted on the center shaft of the motor. Are they located just inside the casing at the "back" of the motor near where the external wires are soldered, or are they located towards the "front" of the motor, near where the worm gear for the control cams is located? *andy* From softm39 at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 16:44:16 2007 From: softm39 at gmail.com (Arsen_Kirillov) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:44:16 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's Message-ID: <1739350596.20071003174416@gmail.com> Hi to All, can anybody recommend site with list of all produced models of nakamichi products (real nak's) for use in auto. Have few question about newest nak's models, and don't s any way of finding answers on them :) Regards, Arsen Kirillov From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 3 17:29:17 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:29:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's In-Reply-To: <1739350596.20071003174416@gmail.com> Message-ID: The current new Nakamichi car stereos sold in the US have nothing to do with the original company. I have not inspected one, however, so they might be OK. The last true Naks were the MTD series. Mobile Tape Deck Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Arsen_Kirillov Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's Hi to All, can anybody recommend site with list of all produced models of nakamichi products (real nak's) for use in auto. Have few question about newest nak's models, and don't s any way of finding answers on them :) Regards, Arsen Kirillov ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 3 19:23:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:23:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <215695.1238.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <215695.1238.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4703D016.4040403@rcn.com> In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke From terry75115 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 19:42:05 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <215695.1238.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928229.62793.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> New member here, who just found out about Nak's a couple of months ago. Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I bought a RX-505. Question on a RX-505. The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? Thanks, Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Wed Oct 3 23:07:07 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:07:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences Message-ID: <019c01c80601$5bb7b840$6401a8c0@main> I had gotten some Bluejeans (Belden 1504F) cables with Canare connectors but the connectors were a bit long to fit where I have my Nak 610 tape mixer preamp. Very nice cables otherwise though. I am running a CR7a, ZX7, 682ZX and Dragon through the Nak preamp then to the tape input jacks of the 610. Running a Marchand active crossover and right now a Accuphase C200 preamp (otherwise an Apt Holman). Speakers are JBL home built 4343 studio monitors. I recognize none of this are "Fringe audiophile" gear but all is pretty respectable. Anyone using a bookshelf speaker on a typical $400 integrated amp/tuner should not be concerned about interconnect "sound" anyway. I got some Impact Acoustics Performance Solder style RCA plug connectors.-Real nice, the ground tightens to lock so the shield connection easily slips on a female and bought some bulk Belden 1505F cable like that used by Blue Jeans cable. Makes a nice custom cable I can assemble to length. Cost me about $13 a 4 piece set for the connectors and about 80 cents a foot (x2) for the cable. That makes a nice RCA pair 3 to 5 ft long for about $20. Also bought some Mogami Gold RCA to RCA audio interconnect cables ($28 a pr). Very nicely built, superb construction internally and lifetime warrantee. They have the old style rubber flexible strain relief and are very thin cable with great flexibility. Extensively used by studios where RCA unbalanced connections are required. I get sick of cables that are too tight to get on and off and break chassis connectors and others with wire that is too stiff to attach properly as well as "broken inside somewhere" cables cluttering the house. Nakamichi female RCA Chassis connectors are slightly different in design than most and one should be very cautious as to how hard you have to push on a cable to connect it as well as side pressure once connected. The female connector in a Nak unit uses a side bar to touch the center lead, not a sleeve and a split ring type male is not necessary for good contact and actually can be bad. They cannot easily be repaired or replaced with standard female chassis connectors if you break them. I have a pr of Monster interlink 1000 that fit that bill. Real female chassis connector destroyers. Look and feel real impressive but I wanted something that would wire things together, not necessarily look neat. The interlink 400s are not nearly as bad though. I am one that likes a good wire, stranded to assure flexibility, well shielded and attached solidly to a good connector that assures contact but does not break female jacks. Beyond that I leave it up to the audiophiles to hear what they may hear. Look inside a chassis and see what goes from there. Look at the BX power cable (probably 60 ft plus tot he main box) in the wall before adding a couple of feet of some touting AC power connector. The only difference I ever hear is with a cable that makes a lousy connection or breaks a jack. For those that hear a difference, more power to you. Go for what you like and be happy with it. For many items it is as much "Pride in Ownership" as real sound quality that counts. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 13:49:15 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:49:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo Control Motor Question Message-ID: <100420071149.22054.4704D33B000780B80000562622165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Henk: I would love to see some photos of the Sankyo control motor disassembled. If it is not too much trouble, please send me any photos you have. I have a feeling that a motor rebuild is in my future. THANKS, *andy* From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 4 14:00:34 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <697883.4645.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was told by a repair guy that the Nak car stereo's that were put into Lexus' had lots of problems so Lexus quit using them. This was after the original Nakamichi was sold. Bob hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: The current new Nakamichi car stereos sold in the US have nothing to do with the original company. I have not inspected one, however, so they might be OK. The last true Naks were the MTD series. Mobile Tape Deck Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Arsen_Kirillov Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's Hi to All, can anybody recommend site with list of all produced models of nakamichi products (real nak's) for use in auto. Have few question about newest nak's models, and don't s any way of finding answers on them :) Regards, Arsen Kirillov ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 14:16:35 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:16:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... Message-ID: <100420071216.16204.4704D9A30006D15A00003F4C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 4 14:16:46 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <4703D016.4040403@rcn.com> Message-ID: <783108.54917.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 4 14:57:25 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:57:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <783108.54917.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <783108.54917.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4704E335.2050706@rcn.com> I can't really say what grease they used, except that with the years, it tended to dry up and become good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol failed. I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your deck, I am not so sure about MEK. In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch roller arms. I wound up taking them apart and dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), it's a good idea to note the height before taking the pinch rollers off. -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did > not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its > more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently > loosen them > > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and > > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > > NK > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > > ssues > > kannan > > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > > Kannan > > > > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > > > Peter, > > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > > letters on > > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > > intermediate > > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > > cause is a > > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > > potentiometer > > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > > With a > > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > > the cam turns. > > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > > position. > > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > > confirming voltages. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > > as the control button is released? > > > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > > deteriorate > > beyond use. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Brooke From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 4 15:28:42 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:28:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <783108.54917.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 4 15:37:39 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:37:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... In-Reply-To: <100420071216.16204.4704D9A30006D15A00003F4C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Very good. We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea it was Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the Japanese standard stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the flywheel and idler. No doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible flutter and linear phase, extended high frequency response. Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 16:11:43 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:11:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? Message-ID: <100420071411.718.4704F49F000A88EC000002CE22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Now that my CR-7A repair project is winding down (touch wood!!!), I am going to turn my attention to fixing my 682ZX, which apparently needs some orange capacitors replaced in the bias oscillator circuit (the deck can't erase or record). I want to use the best, most appropriate replacement caps I can find. Does anyone have any type/brand/parts source recommendations? Also, I am thinking of using +/- 1% tolerance caps instead of +/- 5%. Is this OK, or is it overkill? Any info will be appreciated, as always. *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 16:52:54 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313402.70898.qm@web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom is right - this damn thing will not easily yield to solvents because sovents cannot get in to the gaps. require taling out and all the mess connected with that operation. Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Oct 4 17:40:10 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... In-Reply-To: References: <100420071216.16204.4704D9A30006D15A00003F4C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10710040840o13887062k5caf9171ed3976dc@mail.gmail.com> If you actually go to www.nakamichi.co.uk there is a lot more of history, milestones, museum, etc. incl. photos of the 1951 Fidela RtoR deck. On 10/4/07, hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Very good. > We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea it was > Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the Japanese standard > stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the flywheel and idler. No > doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible flutter and linear phase, > extended high frequency response. > Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > > > > > http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 4 19:15:33 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <327034.90376.qm@web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From days at Nakamichi, I remember something in white drums called "LDP" being used for greasing tape transport assemblies. I have been wreaking my brains for further info! If I find it out, I'll surely email you. You are right the gap is too small to wick in the solvent, even ultra low viscosity solvents like Acetone and MEK. I will try tonight to direct a hot precision airjet at the pin and then try solvents. Khan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 4 19:17:42 2007 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon In-Reply-To: <4704E335.2050706@rcn.com> Message-ID: <636581.6521.qm@web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If I have to take them off and clean them, then I will clean them ultrasonically in a MEK bath. Khan Ron wrote: I can't really say what grease they used, except that with the years, it tended to dry up and become good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol failed. I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your deck, I am not so sure about MEK. In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch roller arms. I wound up taking them apart and dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), it's a good idea to note the height before taking the pinch rollers off. -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did > not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its > more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently > loosen them > > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and > > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > > NK > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > > ssues > > kannan > > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > > Kannan > > > > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > > > Peter, > > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > > letters on > > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > > intermediate > > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > > cause is a > > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > > potentiometer > > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > > With a > > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > > the cam turns. > > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > > position. > > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > > confirming voltages. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > > as the control button is released? > > > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > > deteriorate > > beyond use. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 19:48:44 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <928229.62793.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <410662.95950.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers are the same. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg Scott J. Terry Houchins wrote: New member here, who just found out about Nak's a couple of months ago. Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I bought a RX-505. Question on a RX-505. The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? Thanks, Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 21:04:25 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] New Member In-Reply-To: <410662.95950.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13188.18330.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks Scott, That's what I needed. Terry --- Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers > are the same. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg > > Scott J. > > > Terry Houchins wrote: > New member here, who just found out about Nak's a > couple of months ago. > Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I > bought > a RX-505. > > Question on a RX-505. > The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. > Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? > > Thanks, > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! > Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Tonight's top picks. 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Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From terry75115 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 21:19:27 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 or RX-303 cover needed Message-ID: <493155.40929.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a front cassette cover for a 505 or 303 they would like to sell? Thanks, Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 22:16:31 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts Message-ID: <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant is used. One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo mechanism. On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish it. I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY slippery, and it never dries out. Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you think? *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 4 23:53:13 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts In-Reply-To: <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: That sounds fine. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant is used. One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo mechanism. On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish it. I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY slippery, and it never dries out. Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 5 04:18:38 2007 From: geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net (geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:18:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 problems In-Reply-To: AAAAAKWH5VFrQsBInXOpXEX4DdrE2DEA Message-ID: <003f01c806f6$0b48a1d0$e9bbed4c@upstairs> [geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net] Hello Great Nakkers, What a great bunch of fanatics. I have been reading for almost a year but haven't posted. Now I fear I must. My cr-7 bought off Audiogon played for 10 hours, ate two tapes and now won't play. Just a quiet click but no engagement. Any suggestions. Thanks Geoff From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Oct 5 13:24:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:24:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 problems Message-ID: <100520071124.20843.47061EDB000B22550000516B22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Since I seem to be the current expert on CR-7 problems (LOL), please let me comment. The tape transport in your deck was made by Sankyo. The first thing I always suspect whenever there are any tape transport problems in a Sankyo deck is the idler tyre. Do you know if this little rubber tyre has ever been replaced? If not, it is almost certain that it needs to be replaced in order to restore the PLAY, FF, and RW functions. The part is VERY inexpensive, but replacing it is tricky if you are not technically inclined. One more thing to check, however: Switch the deck on. open the tape door, and see if the capstans are spinning. It's just a hunch, but if they are NOT spinning, or if anything else has stopped working, then possibly your problem is deeper than just the idler. Good Luck, and let me know what you find. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 5 15:14:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:14:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts In-Reply-To: <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <470638C5.2090905@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant is used. > > One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo mechanism. > > On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. > > Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish it. > > I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. > > White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY slippery, and it never dries out. > > Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you think? Used it many times on exactly this location. Never a problem. -- Ron > > > *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 5 15:20:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:20:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <100420071411.718.4704F49F000A88EC000002CE22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100420071411.718.4704F49F000A88EC000002CE22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47063A08.5030106@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Now that my CR-7A repair project is winding down (touch wood!!!), I am going to turn my attention to fixing my 682ZX, which apparently needs some orange capacitors replaced in the bias oscillator circuit (the deck can't erase or record). > > I want to use the best, most appropriate replacement caps I can find. > > Does anyone have any type/brand/parts source recommendations? I am partial to polypropylene caps, even though they are physically large. See the Digikey web site for Panasonic caps. > Also, I am thinking of using +/- 1% tolerance caps instead of +/- 5%. Is this OK, or is it overkill? It probably is an overkill, but so what? 1% caps are not that readily available, but those Panasonic caps, rated at 2%, tend to measure in the +/- 1% range. -- Ron > > Any info will be appreciated, as always. > > > *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Oct 5 17:39:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:39:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 problems Message-ID: <100520071539.6821.47065AC8000D36E100001AA522120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> One more thing I forgot to mention, which might explain the behaviour of your CR-7: Another common problem with decks that have the Sankyo transport is dirty control motor leaf switches. If you take the top off of the deck, you can see three copper leaf switches sitting on top of the white plastic control cam. These important switches often have dirt and/or oxidation on them, which can cause lots of strange behaviour. A good blast with DeOxit, accompanied with some GENTLE but firm scrubbing with a contact burnishing tool (or a thin piece of index card paper soaked with DeOxit) can usually clean them well enough. Good Luck! *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Oct 7 18:56:15 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? Message-ID: <813996.25141.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> I've been talking this over with Andy and we think this is a bit odd. Maybe some of you have encountered this before. In my RX-505 I found a ladder resistor setup-in other words, two resistors soldered together and then the 'ladder' soldered to the board-looked cheesy as hell. In this case it was supposed to be a RF 1 Ohm 1/4 W 'J' resistor. Like I said, I found the two soldered together and since I had one of them fry, (hopefully due to a bad transistor I found) I started looking for a single resistor of the right value and tolerance. Andy could only find them in the UK. So I started hunting the schematic for one in the RX-202 parts deck. Found what was supposed to be one, but my model is a 'transition' model (Andy discovered) and even though it was labeled on the board as 'J39', it was actually a RF resistor and the one we have been looking for. Measuring it though, it runs 1.3 Ohms. However, if I solder it piggyback like the ladder I found in the 505, (with the good resistor that's left from the ladder), I get .9 Ohms?! So I pose the question; which one/way to put back into the 505? And then, If ANYONE knows where I can find that unobtanium Alps pot; Part No. 0B07240A Volume control 10K (B), PLEASE let me know. I'm completely dead without this guy and the one robbed from the 202 fell apart while installing, just like my original one did. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 01:45:23 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:45:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Please Look At My Slideshow......... Message-ID: <100720072345.20851.47096F930003A5530000517322165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello All, I always take photos whenever I repair one of my Nakamichi decks, and I have started to put together slideshows, complete with commentary, to help anyone else like me who might have a deck that they need to work on. My first slideshow shows how to clean a dirty control motor mechanism on decks with the Sankyo-made transport. This is a common problem with Sankyo transports, and I thought I would make a slideshow that shows how I deal with it. TWO THINGS ABOUT MY SLIDESHOWS: 1) Unfortunately, photobucket.com has a limit on the number of photos that a slideshow can contain, so I had to split this slideshow into 3 parts. D'OH! 2) The pictures change rather quickly, so if you want to slow things down and look at the photos at your own pace, just roll your mouse over the photo and click on the STOP button that appears in the lower-right corner. After you do that, you can just use the FORWARD and REVERSE buttons next to the STOP button to navigate through the photos at a slower pace....and I know you folks know all about Forward and Reverse buttons! LOL PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MY FIRST SLIDESHOW. HERE ARE THE LINKS: PART 1: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw PART 2: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw PART 3: http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw *andy* From cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 02:25:22 2007 From: cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 01:25:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Information and advice regarding audio equipment move In-Reply-To: <200710051002.l95A0vlY003458@zxe.naks.com> References: <200710051002.l95A0vlY003458@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001c80941$be4e5cf0$d5991aac@Charlielaptop> Hi all, the email title sounds offtopic, but it's not, I promise. It's regarding service facilities availability for vintage audio components in Portugal. I have a ML9 / ML10 preamp / power amp combination, with a Nak 1000 ZXL as monitor, a Nak CD Player 1 and an Oracle turntable. I'm moving these fine audio components to Portugal, and since they have been always well maintained, I would like to keep on maintaning them here, but several Internet searches have yielded nothing whatsoever about good service places. Any help would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Carlos Pires. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: 05 October 2007 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 5 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sankyo Control Motor Question (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 2. RE: Auto nak's (Bob Naylor) 3. A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 4. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) 5. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Ron) 6. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (hitech at bellsouth.net) 7. RE: A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... (hitech at bellsouth.net) 8. Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 9. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (kannan srinivasaraghavan) 10. Re: A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... (george valkov) 11. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) 12. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) 13. Re: New Member (Scott Johnson) 14. Re: New Member (Terry Houchins) 15. RX-505 or RX-303 cover needed (Terry Houchins) 16. Lubricating Parts (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 17. RE: Lubricating Parts (hitech at bellsouth.net) 18. cr-7 problems (geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:49:15 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sankyo Control Motor Question To: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Cc: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <100420071149.22054.4704D33B000780B80000562622165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c omcast.net> Henk: I would love to see some photos of the Sankyo control motor disassembled. If it is not too much trouble, please send me any photos you have. I have a feeling that a motor rebuild is in my future. THANKS, *andy* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Naylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Auto nak's To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <697883.4645.qm at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was told by a repair guy that the Nak car stereo's that were put into Lexus' had lots of problems so Lexus quit using them. This was after the original Nakamichi was sold. Bob hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: The current new Nakamichi car stereos sold in the US have nothing to do with the original company. I have not inspected one, however, so they might be OK. The last true Naks were the MTD series. Mobile Tape Deck Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Arsen_Kirillov Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's Hi to All, can anybody recommend site with list of all produced models of nakamichi products (real nak's) for use in auto. Have few question about newest nak's models, and don't s any way of finding answers on them :) Regards, Arsen Kirillov ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/3459ec9e/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:16:35 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <100420071216.16204.4704D9A30006D15A00003F4C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c omcast.net> http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mequon Manufacture LLC Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <783108.54917.qm at web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen > them with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see > voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues > kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little > patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A > common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which > require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and > PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I > might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam > turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any > pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode > cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control > button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've > contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/76e68002/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:57:25 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4704E335.2050706 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I can't really say what grease they used, except that with the years, it tended to dry up and become good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol failed. I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your deck, I am not so sure about MEK. In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch roller arms. I wound up taking them apart and dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), it's a good idea to note the height before taking the pinch rollers off. -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did > not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its > more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently > loosen them > > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and > > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > > NK > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > > ssues > > kannan > > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > > Kannan > > > > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > > > Peter, > > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > > letters on > > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > > intermediate > > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > > cause is a > > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > > potentiometer > > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > > With a > > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > > the cam turns. > > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > > position. > > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > > confirming voltages. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > > as the control button is released? > > > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > > deteriorate > > beyond use. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Brooke ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:28:42 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/e79555a3/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:37:39 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Very good. We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea it was Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the Japanese standard stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the flywheel and idler. No doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible flutter and linear phase, extended high frequency response. Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:11:43 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <100420071411.718.4704F49F000A88EC000002CE22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at com cast.net> Now that my CR-7A repair project is winding down (touch wood!!!), I am going to turn my attention to fixing my 682ZX, which apparently needs some orange capacitors replaced in the bias oscillator circuit (the deck can't erase or record). I want to use the best, most appropriate replacement caps I can find. Does anyone have any type/brand/parts source recommendations? Also, I am thinking of using +/- 1% tolerance caps instead of +/- 5%. Is this OK, or is it overkill? Any info will be appreciated, as always. *andy* ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <313402.70898.qm at web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tom is right - this damn thing will not easily yield to solvents because sovents cannot get in to the gaps. require taling out and all the mess connected with that operation. Kannan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen > them with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see > voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues > kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little > patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A > common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which > require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and > PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I > might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam > turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any > pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode > cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control > button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've > contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/66c103e4/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:10 +0100 From: "george valkov" Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... To: hitech at bellsouth.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <518b7b10710040840o13887062k5caf9171ed3976dc at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you actually go to www.nakamichi.co.uk there is a lot more of history, milestones, museum, etc. incl. photos of the 1951 Fidela RtoR deck. On 10/4/07, hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Very good. > We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea > it was Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the > Japanese standard stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the > flywheel and idler. No doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible > flutter and linear phase, extended high frequency response. > Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > > > > > http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamich > i.htm > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mequon Manufacture LLC Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <327034.90376.qm at web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From days at Nakamichi, I remember something in white drums called "LDP" being used for greasing tape transport assemblies. I have been wreaking my brains for further info! If I find it out, I'll surely email you. You are right the gap is too small to wick in the solvent, even ultra low viscosity solvents like Acetone and MEK. I will try tonight to direct a hot precision airjet at the pin and then try solvents. Khan hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on later productions. I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mequon Manufacture LLC Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? Khan Ron wrote: In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the finish! -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > NK > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > ssues > kannan > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > Kannan > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > Peter, > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > letters on > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > intermediate > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > cause is a > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > potentiometer > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > With a > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > the cam turns. > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > position. > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > confirming voltages. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > as the control button is released? > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > deteriorate > beyond use. > > Regards, > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/f1100bdc/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mequon Manufacture LLC Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <636581.6521.qm at web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If I have to take them off and clean them, then I will clean them ultrasonically in a MEK bath. Khan Ron wrote: I can't really say what grease they used, except that with the years, it tended to dry up and become good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol failed. I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your deck, I am not so sure about MEK. In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch roller arms. I wound up taking them apart and dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), it's a good idea to note the height before taking the pinch rollers off. -- Ron Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did > not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its > more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently > loosen them > > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of > disassembly and > > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > > NK > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > > ssues > > kannan > > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > > Kannan > > > > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > > > Peter, > > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > > letters on > > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > > intermediate > > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > > cause is a > > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > > potentiometer > > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > > With a > > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > > the cam turns. > > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > > position. > > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > > confirming voltages. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > > as the control button is released? > > > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > > deteriorate > > beyond use. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Brooke ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/4092ab55/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <410662.95950.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers are the same. http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg Scott J. Terry Houchins wrote: New member here, who just found out about Nak's a couple of months ago. Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I bought a RX-505. Question on a RX-505. The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? Thanks, Terry ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/39a83a76/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Houchins Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <13188.18330.qm at web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Scott, That's what I needed. Terry --- Scott Johnson wrote: > The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers > are the same. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg > > Scott J. > > > Terry Houchins wrote: > New member here, who just found out about Nak's a > couple of months ago. > Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I > bought > a RX-505. > > Question on a RX-505. > The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. > Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? > > Thanks, > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! > Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Tonight's top picks. 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Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&c s=bz ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Houchins Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 or RX-303 cover needed To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <493155.40929.qm at web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have a front cassette cover for a 505 or 303 they would like to sell? Thanks, Terry ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:31 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Message-ID: <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908 at co mcast.net> There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant is used. One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo mechanism. On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish it. I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY slippery, and it never dries out. Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you think? *andy* ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That sounds fine. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant is used. One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo mechanism. On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish it. I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY slippery, and it never dries out. Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:18:38 -0500 From: Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 problems To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <003f01c806f6$0b48a1d0$e9bbed4c at upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net] Hello Great Nakkers, What a great bunch of fanatics. I have been reading for almost a year but haven't posted. Now I fear I must. My cr-7 bought off Audiogon played for 10 hours, ate two tapes and now won't play. Just a quiet click but no engagement. Any suggestions. Thanks Geoff ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 5 ************************************** From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 8 10:00:49 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:00:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? References: <813996.25141.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c80981$577621d0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Kevin These guys have a lot of rotary switches & the website does have the tech details allowing u to do a detailed trial match http://dkc1.digikey.com/uk/en/pdf/Current.html Best of luck Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? > I've been talking this over with Andy and we think > this is a bit odd. Maybe some of you have encountered > this before. In my RX-505 I found a ladder resistor > setup-in other words, two resistors soldered together > and then the 'ladder' soldered to the board-looked > cheesy as hell. In this case it was supposed to be a > RF 1 Ohm 1/4 W 'J' resistor. Like I said, I found the > two soldered together and since I had one of them fry, > (hopefully due to a bad transistor I found) I started > looking for a single resistor of the right value and > tolerance. Andy could only find them in the UK. So I > started hunting the schematic for one in the RX-202 > parts deck. > > Found what was supposed to be one, but my model is a > 'transition' model (Andy discovered) and even though > it was labeled on the board as 'J39', it was actually > a RF resistor and the one we have been looking for. > Measuring it though, it runs 1.3 Ohms. However, if I > solder it piggyback like the ladder I found in the > 505, (with the good resistor that's left from the > ladder), I get .9 Ohms?! > > So I pose the question; which one/way to put back into > the 505? > > And then, If ANYONE knows where I can find that > unobtanium Alps pot; Part No. 0B07240A Volume control > 10K (B), PLEASE let me know. I'm completely dead > without this guy and the one robbed from the 202 fell > apart while installing, just like my original one did. > > Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.3/1054 - Release Date: > 06/10/2007 19:12 > > From belarri at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 10:42:32 2007 From: belarri at gmail.com (Belarri) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:42:32 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 Message-ID: Hi, I need to replace the idler tyre of my CR-7. ¿Do you know how/where can I order a good compatible part? Thank you in advance Horacio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Oct 8 11:07:32 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:07:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Please Look At My Slideshow......... In-Reply-To: <100720072345.20851.47096F930003A5530000517322165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <100720072345.20851.47096F930003A5530000517322165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4709F354.4090305@peromarta.org> Hi Andy, if you send me the pics that form your slideshow, I will make a proper slideshow and put it up in my website. Best rgd, L. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hello All, > > I always take photos whenever I repair one of my Nakamichi decks, and I have started to put together slideshows, complete with commentary, to help anyone else like me who might have a deck that they need to work on. > > My first slideshow shows how to clean a dirty control motor mechanism on decks with the Sankyo-made transport. This is a common problem with Sankyo transports, and I thought I would make a slideshow that shows how I deal with it. > > TWO THINGS ABOUT MY SLIDESHOWS: > > 1) Unfortunately, photobucket.com has a limit on the number of photos that a slideshow can contain, so I had to split this slideshow into 3 parts. D'OH! > > 2) The pictures change rather quickly, so if you want to slow things down and look at the photos at your own pace, just roll your mouse over the photo and click on the STOP button that appears in the lower-right corner. After you do that, you can just use the FORWARD and REVERSE buttons next to the STOP button to navigate through the photos at a slower pace....and I know you folks know all about Forward and Reverse buttons! LOL > > PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MY FIRST SLIDESHOW. HERE ARE THE LINKS: > > PART 1: > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw > > PART 2: > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw > > PART 3: > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Oct 8 11:09:15 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:09:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Information and advice regarding audio equipment move In-Reply-To: <000001c80941$be4e5cf0$d5991aac@Charlielaptop> References: <200710051002.l95A0vlY003458@zxe.naks.com> <000001c80941$be4e5cf0$d5991aac@Charlielaptop> Message-ID: <4709F3BB.9090209@peromarta.org> Hi Carlos, I am in Madrid, and would be happy to assist you. http://peromarta.org/naks Best rgds, LP. Carlos Manuel Pires wrote: > Hi all, the email title sounds offtopic, but it's not, I promise. It's > regarding service facilities availability for vintage audio components in > Portugal. I have a ML9 / ML10 preamp / power amp combination, with a Nak > 1000 ZXL as monitor, a Nak CD Player 1 and an Oracle turntable. I'm moving > these fine audio components to Portugal, and since they have been always > well maintained, I would like to keep on maintaning them here, but several > Internet searches have yielded nothing whatsoever about good service places. > Any help would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Carlos Pires. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: 05 October 2007 11:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 5 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sankyo Control Motor Question (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 2. RE: Auto nak's (Bob Naylor) > 3. A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 4. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) > 5. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Ron) > 6. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 7. RE: A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 8. Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 9. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > 10. Re: A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > (george valkov) > 11. RE: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) > 12. Re: Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon (Mequon Manufacture LLC) > 13. Re: New Member (Scott Johnson) > 14. Re: New Member (Terry Houchins) > 15. RX-505 or RX-303 cover needed (Terry Houchins) > 16. Lubricating Parts (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 17. RE: Lubricating Parts (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 18. cr-7 problems (geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:49:15 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sankyo Control Motor Question > To: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <100420071149.22054.4704D33B000780B80000562622165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c > omcast.net> > > > > Henk: > > I would love to see some photos of the Sankyo control motor disassembled. > > If it is not too much trouble, please send me any photos you have. > > I have a feeling that a motor rebuild is in my future. > > THANKS, > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Auto nak's > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <697883.4645.qm at web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I was told by a repair guy that the Nak car stereo's that were put into > Lexus' had lots of problems so Lexus quit using them. This was after the > original Nakamichi was sold. > Bob > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > The current new Nakamichi car stereos sold in the US have nothing to do > with the original company. I have not inspected one, however, so they might > be OK. > The last true Naks were the MTD series. Mobile Tape Deck > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Arsen_Kirillov > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Auto nak's > > > Hi to All, > can anybody recommend site with list of > all produced models of nakamichi products (real nak's) for use in auto. > > Have few question about newest nak's models, and don't s any way of finding > answers on them :) > > Regards, > Arsen Kirillov > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/3459ec9e/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:16:35 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <100420071216.16204.4704D9A30006D15A00003F4C22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c > omcast.net> > > > > > http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <783108.54917.qm at web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not > help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more > polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > Ron wrote: > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped > in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the > finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed >> pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I >> have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen >> them with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of >> disassembly and further work. Before I go that route, any other > suggestions? >> NK >> >> */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: >> >> One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the >> potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see >> voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues >> kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little >> patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX >> Kannan >> >> >> */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: >> >> Peter, >> The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written >> letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any >> intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A >> common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which >> require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and >> PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I >> might expect problems. >> With a >> voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam >> turns. >> There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam >> position. >> You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and >> confirming voltages. >> >> Tom Brucker csm >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615-331-9241 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) >> >> >> >> Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any >> pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode >> cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control >> button is released? >> >> My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be >> the only place where questions of this kind can be put. >> >> I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies >> offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've >> contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a >> surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. >> >> I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC >> radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes >> deteriorate beyond use. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Brooke > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/76e68002/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:57:25 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <4704E335.2050706 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I can't really say what grease they used, except that with the years, it > tended to dry up and become good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol > failed. > I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your deck, I am not so sure about > MEK. > > In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch roller arms. I wound up > taking them apart and dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch > rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), it's a good idea to note the > height before taking the pinch rollers off. > > -- Ron > > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did >> not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its >> more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? >> Khan >> >> */Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> >> In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried >> grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the >> MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid >> breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to >> let even one drop near the finish! >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed >> > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. > I >> > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently >> loosen them >> > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of >> disassembly and >> > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? >> > NK >> > >> > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: >> > >> > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the >> > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not >> > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode > change >> > ssues >> > kannan >> > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience >> > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX >> > Kannan >> > >> > >> > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: >> > >> > Peter, >> > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written >> > letters on >> > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any >> > intermediate >> > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common >> > cause is a >> > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little >> > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the >> > potentiometer >> > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. >> > With a >> > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as >> > the cam turns. >> > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam >> > position. >> > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and >> > confirming voltages. >> > >> > Tom Brucker csm >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > 615-331-9241 >> > hitech at bellsouth.net >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk >> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) >> > >> > >> > >> > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me >> > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new >> > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon >> > as the control button is released? >> > >> > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be >> > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. >> > >> > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies >> > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those >> > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is > a >> > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. >> > >> > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of > BBC >> > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes >> > deteriorate >> > beyond use. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Peter Brooke > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:28:42 -0500 > From: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust > penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I > think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is > too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on > later productions. > I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a > guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Mequon Manufacture LLC > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > > > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not > help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more > polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > Ron wrote: > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: > > I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed > > pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I > > have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen > them > > with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly > and > > further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? > > NK > > > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > > > One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the > > potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not > > see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change > > ssues > > kannan > > This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience > > in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX > > Kannan > > > > > > */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: > > > > Peter, > > The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written > > letters on > > the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any > > intermediate > > position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common > > cause is a > > slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little > > rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the > > potentiometer > > driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. > > With a > > voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as > > the cam turns. > > There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam > > position. > > You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and > > confirming voltages. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) > > > > > > > > Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me > > any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new > > belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon > > as the control button is released? > > > > My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be > > the only place where questions of this kind can be put. > > > > I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies > > offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those > > I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a > > surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. > > > > I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC > > radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes > > deteriorate > > beyond use. > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Brooke > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/e79555a3/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:37:39 -0500 > From: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Very good. > We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea it was > Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the Japanese standard > stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the flywheel and idler. No > doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible flutter and linear phase, > extended high frequency response. > Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > > > > > http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamichi.htm > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:11:43 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Orange Capacitor Replacements - Recommendations? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <100420071411.718.4704F49F000A88EC000002CE22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at com > cast.net> > > > > Now that my CR-7A repair project is winding down (touch wood!!!), I am going > to turn my attention to fixing my 682ZX, which apparently needs some orange > capacitors replaced in the bias oscillator circuit (the deck can't erase or > record). > > I want to use the best, most appropriate replacement caps I can find. > > Does anyone have any type/brand/parts source recommendations? > > Also, I am thinking of using +/- 1% tolerance caps instead of +/- 5%. Is > this OK, or is it overkill? > > Any info will be appreciated, as always. > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:52:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <313402.70898.qm at web33315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Tom is right - this damn thing will not easily yield to solvents because > sovents cannot get in to the gaps. require taling out and all the mess > connected with that operation. > Kannan > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust > penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I > think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is > too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on > later productions. > I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a > guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mequon Manufacture LLC > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > > > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not > help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more > polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > Ron wrote: > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried grease with a brush dipped > in MEK. Be aware the MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to let even one drop near the > finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed >> pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I >> have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen >> them with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of >> disassembly and further work. Before I go that route, any other > suggestions? >> NK >> >> */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: >> >> One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the >> potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not see >> voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change ssues >> kannan This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little >> patience in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX >> Kannan >> >> >> */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: >> >> Peter, >> The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written >> letters on the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any >> intermediate position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A >> common cause is a slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which >> require very little rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and >> PAUSE. If the potentiometer driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I >> might expect problems. >> With a >> voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as the cam >> turns. >> There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam >> position. >> You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and >> confirming voltages. >> >> Tom Brucker csm >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615-331-9241 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) >> >> >> >> Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me any >> pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new belts mode >> cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon as the control >> button is released? >> >> My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be >> the only place where questions of this kind can be put. >> >> I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies >> offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those I've >> contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a >> surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. >> >> I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC >> radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes >> deteriorate beyond use. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Brooke > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/66c103e4/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:40:10 +0100 > From: "george valkov" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <518b7b10710040840o13887062k5caf9171ed3976dc at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If you actually go to www.nakamichi.co.uk there is a lot more of history, > milestones, museum, etc. incl. photos of the 1951 Fidela RtoR deck. > > On 10/4/07, hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >> Very good. >> We repaired one of those KLH reel to reels last year. I had no idea >> it was Nakamichi. It utilized a machined metal chassis, not the >> Japanese standard stamped sheet metal, and massive bearings for the >> flywheel and idler. No doubt recording harpsichord REQUIRED inaudible >> flutter and linear phase, extended high frequency response. >> Unlike Europe, Nakamichi US is controlled by ESI, a Wal Mart subsidiary. >> >> Tom Brucker csm >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615-331-9241 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] A Brief But Interesting History of Nakamichi... >> >> >> >> >> http://www.insidehi-fi.co.uk/cp/0702-cp-nakamichi/ihf-0702-cp-nakamich >> i.htm >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals > built the Titanic." > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <327034.90376.qm at web82403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>From days at Nakamichi, I remember something in white drums called "LDP" > being used for greasing tape transport assemblies. I have been wreaking my > brains for further info! If I find it out, I'll surely email you. You are > right the gap is too small to wick in the solvent, even ultra low viscosity > solvents like Acetone and MEK. I will try tonight to direct a hot precision > airjet at the pin and then try solvents. > Khan > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > I have not had any luck getting a solvent to penetrate. I tried a rust > penetrant PB Blaster. Whatever Nak used it cleans with alcohol easily. I > think the guide base is precision machined not to "rattle" and its gap is > too small to draw solvents in to do their job. Nak did omit the grease on > later productions. > I have had to remove the guide, post and all. That process requires a > guide height gauge to reset the post and guide after cleaning. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mequon Manufacture LLC > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:17 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > > > Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did not > help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its more > polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? > Khan > > Ron wrote: > > > In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried > grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the > MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid > breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to > let even one drop near the finish! > > -- Ron > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed >> pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I >> have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently loosen them >> with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of disassembly and >> further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? >> NK >> >> */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: >> >> One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the >> potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not >> see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change >> ssues >> kannan >> This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience >> in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX >> Kannan >> >> >> */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: >> >> Peter, >> The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written >> letters on >> the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any >> intermediate >> position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common >> cause is a >> slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little >> rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the >> potentiometer >> driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. >> With a >> voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as >> the cam turns. >> There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam >> position. >> You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and >> confirming voltages. >> >> Tom Brucker csm >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> 615-331-9241 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) >> >> >> >> Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me >> any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new >> belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon >> as the control button is released? >> >> My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be >> the only place where questions of this kind can be put. >> >> I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies >> offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those >> I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a >> surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. >> >> I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC >> radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes >> deteriorate >> beyond use. >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Brooke > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/f1100bdc/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:17:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Jammed pinch rollers on the Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <636581.6521.qm at web82415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If I have to take them off and clean them, then I will clean them > ultrasonically in a MEK bath. > Khan > > Ron wrote: > > I can't really say what grease they used, except > that with the years, it tended to dry up and become > good glue. MEK worked for me, after alcohol failed. > I never tried Aceton; if it didn't work on your > deck, I am not so sure about MEK. > > In one case, nothing worked to fully clean pinch > roller arms. I wound up taking them apart and > dunking in MEK for a while. If your deck has pinch > rollers with adjustable height (like the CR-7), > it's a good idea to note the height before taking > the pinch rollers off. > > -- Ron > > > > > Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >> Thanks Ron, I did try with Acetone, which is also a Ketone, but it did >> not help, maybe methyl ethyl ketone would be a better bet because its >> more polar. I wonder the kind of grease initially used, any ideas? >> Khan >> >> */Ron /* wrote: >> >> >> >> In a very well ventilated area, clean the dried >> grease with a brush dipped in MEK. Be aware the >> MEK is dangerous stuff. Be very careful to avoid >> breathing the vapor. Also be very careful not to >> let even one drop near the finish! >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Mequon Manufacture LLC wrote: >>> I have read many suggestions on the forum for freeing up the jammed >>> pinch rollers on Dragons because of aging and detorirating grease. I >>> have one such machine and have tried to gently and patiently >> loosen them >>> with isoprop and other solvents. So far no luck short of >> disassembly and >>> further work. Before I go that route, any other suggestions? >>> NK >>> >>> */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: >>> >>> One thing comes to my mind is - slipping connector on the >>> potentiometer shaft. So when actually motor rotates you will not >>> see voltage cahnge. This also need to be checked for cam mode change >>> ssues >>> kannan >>> This mode cam is very reliable even for many years! Little patience >>> in trouble shooting will get you to a fine working 660 ZX >>> Kannan >>> >>> >>> */hitech at bellsouth.net/* wrote: >>> >>> Peter, >>> The mode cam will only occupy positions which match the written >>> letters on >>> the cam. Follow the mode cam alignment instructions. Any >>> intermediate >>> position is not allowed and the cam returns to STOP. A common >>> cause is a >>> slipping cam belt. The cam can FF and RW, which require very little >>> rotation, but the cam stalls in PLY, REC, and PAUSE. If the >>> potentiometer >>> driven by the mode cam were dirty, then I might expect problems. >>> With a >>> voltmeter confirm that the middle terminal voltage changes as >>> the cam turns. >>> There is a table in the manual showing DC voltages for each cam >>> position. >>> You could remove the belt and manually turn the cam, measuring and >>> confirming voltages. >>> >>> Tom Brucker csm >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> 615-331-9241 >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:10 PM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Re 660ZX Problem (Again) >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry to come back on this one again, But can anyone give me >>> any pointers as to why the calbrated, cleaned equipped with new >>> belts mode cam will not hold position, but returns to rest as soon >>> as the control button is released? >>> >>> My apologies for raising this one again, but this forum seems to be >>> the only place where questions of this kind can be put. >>> >>> I have tried to get 'professional' help, but none of the companies >>> offering Nakamichi support in the UK (or at least, none of those >>> I've contacted) think it worth bothering with my machine. Which is a >>> surprise. This is by far the best sounding tape deck I've ever had. >>> >>> I need it so that I can transfer to digital hundreds of hours of BBC >>> radio broadcasts I've taped over the years - before the tapes >>> deteriorate >>> beyond use. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Peter Brooke > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/4092ab55/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <410662.95950.qm at web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers are the same. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg > > Scott J. > > > Terry Houchins wrote: > New member here, who just found out about Nak's a > couple of months ago. > Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I bought > a RX-505. > > Question on a RX-505. > The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. > Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? > > Thanks, > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows > on Yahoo! TV. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071004/39a83a76/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Terry Houchins > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Member > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <13188.18330.qm at web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks Scott, > That's what I needed. > > Terry > > > --- Scott Johnson wrote: > >> The RX-202 won't work. The RX-303 and RX-505 covers >> are the same. >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~scottjoh/RX-Front-.jpg >> >> Scott J. >> >> >> Terry Houchins wrote: >> New member here, who just found out about Nak's a >> couple of months ago. >> Right away I bought a Dragon, then last week I >> bought >> a RX-505. >> >> Question on a RX-505. >> The 505 I bought is missing the cassette cover. >> Will a 202 or 303 cover fit a 505? >> >> Thanks, >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ >> Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! >> Autos. >> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? >> Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&c > s=bz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Terry Houchins > Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 or RX-303 cover needed > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <493155.40929.qm at web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Does anyone have a front cassette cover for a 505 or > 303 they would like to sell? > > > Thanks, > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:31 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl > Message-ID: > > <100420072016.1740.47054A1F0008F856000006CC22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908 at co > mcast.net> > > > > There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant > is used. > > One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo > mechanism. > > On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. > > Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish > it. > > I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that > they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. > > White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY > slippery, and it never dries out. > > Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you > think? > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:53:13 -0500 > From: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That sounds fine. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl > Subject: [naktalk] Lubricating Parts > > > > There are a couple of places on some of my decks where a NON-oil lubricant > is used. > > One place is on the gear that the control motor drives on a Sankyo > mechanism. > > On this large gear, there is a blob of something that looks like Vaseline. > > Over time, most of this stuff has worn off, and I would like to replenish > it. > > I was thinking of using white lithium grease, which is the same stuff that > they use to lubricate car door hinges and about a million other things. > > White lithium grease looks and feels a lot like mayonnaise, it is VERY > slippery, and it never dries out. > > Would this be OK to use on the white control motor gears? What do you > think? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:18:38 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] cr-7 problems > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <003f01c806f6$0b48a1d0$e9bbed4c at upstairs> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > [geoffreyriver at sbcglobal.net] Hello Great Nakkers, > What a great bunch of fanatics. I have been reading for almost a year but > haven't posted. Now I fear I must. My cr-7 bought off Audiogon played for 10 > hours, ate two tapes and now won't play. Just a quiet click but no > engagement. Any suggestions. > Thanks > Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 5 > ************************************** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Oct 8 11:30:55 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 5:30:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071008053055.PCUPN.143414.root@eastrmwml10> These guys are supposedly top notch. Supposedly, they bought out the remaining repair parts from Nakamichi. http://eslabs.com/nakamichi.htm Click on the tire replacement link and voila! Roland ---- Belarri wrote: > Hi, > > I need to replace the idler tyre of my CR-7. ¿Do you know how/where can I > order a good compatible part? > > Thank you in advance > > Horacio From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 13:29:46 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:29:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Please Look At My Slideshow......... Message-ID: <100820071129.14294.470A14AA00013967000037D622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Thanks, Luis! I will send all of the photos to you later today. I'm happy to contribute to such a great website for Nakamichi information! *andy* From terry75115 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 13:53:32 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Please Look At My Slideshow......... In-Reply-To: <4709F354.4090305@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <825470.60691.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The slideshow was great. Now, I just wish there was one for a auto-reverse belt replacement on a RX-505. Terry --- Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Andy, > > if you send me the pics that form your slideshow, I > will make a proper > slideshow and put it up in my website. > > Best rgd, L. > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I always take photos whenever I repair one of my > Nakamichi decks, and I have started to put together > slideshows, complete with commentary, to help anyone > else like me who might have a deck that they need to > work on. > > > > My first slideshow shows how to clean a dirty > control motor mechanism on decks with the > Sankyo-made transport. This is a common problem > with Sankyo transports, and I thought I would make a > slideshow that shows how I deal with it. > > > > TWO THINGS ABOUT MY SLIDESHOWS: > > > > 1) Unfortunately, photobucket.com has a limit on > the number of photos that a slideshow can contain, > so I had to split this slideshow into 3 parts. > D'OH! > > > > 2) The pictures change rather quickly, so if you > want to slow things down and look at the photos at > your own pace, just roll your mouse over the photo > and click on the STOP button that appears in the > lower-right corner. After you do that, you can just > use the FORWARD and REVERSE buttons next to the STOP > button to navigate through the photos at a slower > pace....and I know you folks know all about Forward > and Reverse buttons! LOL > > > > PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF MY FIRST > SLIDESHOW. HERE ARE THE LINKS: > > > > PART 1: > > > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=78063f65.pbw > > > > PART 2: > > > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=1fb4a480.pbw > > > > PART 3: > > > http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/SANKYO%20TRANSPORT%20CONTROL%20MOTOR%20PROBLEM/?action=view¤t=845bca6d.pbw > > > > > > *andy* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Mon Oct 8 14:47:20 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:47:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Andy's slight show Message-ID: <3109064.1191847640676.JavaMail.root@ps2> Andy, Good Job documenting the revival of the CR7 control motor. I did revive a lot of motors (well about 10) and replaced a few. I seldomly need to extract the complete transport and I did not in the CR7. But that's a moot point. I do save a lot of work though. I do extract the inarts of the control motor and sandpaper the brushes very lightly and clean the commuter very thoroughly. Keep up the good job.... and listening to the Naks Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From terry75115 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 15:49:52 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with Dragon issue In-Reply-To: <4709F354.4090305@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <671844.20259.qm@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My Dragon started making a small grinding noise when it stops. When I press STOP and the cassette comes to a stop, I hear a light grinding noise for a couple of seconds. Any ideas? Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 8 15:57:56 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:57:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? In-Reply-To: <813996.25141.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> References: <813996.25141.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470A3764.80002@rcn.com> Kevin Fetner wrote: > I've been talking this over with Andy and we think > this is a bit odd. Maybe some of you have encountered > this before. In my RX-505 I found a ladder resistor > setup-in other words, two resistors soldered together... Let's get out terminology right. Sounds like what you have found is two resistors (whether in parallel or in series is not clear). A ladder resistor network is an entirely different thing. > ... and then the 'ladder' soldered to the board-looked > cheesy as hell. In this case it was supposed to be a > RF 1 Ohm 1/4 W 'J' resistor. 'RF' is Nak's designation for fusible resistors. It is not the general name of a specific resistor type. 'J' usually specifies 5% tolerance. In essence, fusible resistors are equivalent to a regular resistor IN SERIES with a fuse. By 'soldered together', do you mean the resistors you found were connected in series or in parallel? > Like I said, I found the > two soldered together and since I had one of them fry, > (hopefully due to a bad transistor I found). I started > looking for a single resistor of the right value and > tolerance. Andy could only find them in the UK. So I > started hunting the schematic for one in the RX-202 > parts deck. > > Found what was supposed to be one, but my model is a > 'transition' model (Andy discovered) and even though > it was labeled on the board as 'J39', it was actually > a RF resistor and the one we have been looking for. > Measuring it though, it runs 1.3 Ohms. However, if I > solder it piggyback like the ladder I found in the > 505, (with the good resistor that's left from the > ladder), I get .9 Ohms?! > > So I pose the question; which one/way to put back into > the 505? It is not clear what, exactly, you found or whether the person who put those components in there knew what they were doing. Your best course is to replace with the EXACT component called for in the schematic and parts list. -- Ron > > And then, If ANYONE knows where I can find that > unobtanium Alps pot; Part No. 0B07240A Volume control > 10K (B), PLEASE let me know. I'm completely dead > without this guy and the one robbed from the 202 fell > apart while installing, just like my original one did. > > Kevin From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 8 16:04:18 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:04:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470A38E2.7040102@rcn.com> Belarri wrote: > Hi, > > I need to replace the idler tyre of my CR-7. ¿Do you know how/where can > I order a good compatible part? > > Thank you in advance > > Horacio MCM (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/) will sell you their P/N 32-5665 for pennies. -- Ron From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Oct 8 16:46:03 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:46:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with Dragon issue In-Reply-To: <671844.20259.qm@web56410.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071008104603.O5XBV.146106.root@eastrmwml10> Terry, You're issue is rather common and requires that you go to this webpage and look for the NR-0040 Elimination of Squeaking Noise link. Others mention using just a drop of machine oil on the shaft and work it in. http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Roland ---- Terry Houchins wrote: > My Dragon started making a small grinding noise when > it stops. > When I press STOP and the cassette comes to a stop, I > hear a light grinding noise for a couple of seconds. > > Any ideas? > > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Oct 8 17:57:06 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:57:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2007 7:07:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: MCM (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/) will sell you their P/N 32-5665 for pennies. Yes they will, and then charge you $8.00 for shipping. Been there, done that. JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Mon Oct 8 18:00:16 2007 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:00:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ot: advise on nakamichi receiver amp? In-Reply-To: <3109064.1191847640676.JavaMail.root@ps2> References: <3109064.1191847640676.JavaMail.root@ps2> Message-ID: <13cb25ad9deb31a3723b147621d7a905@austin.rr.com> hello, hoping to get some input on the good classic model to buy maybe on ebay... also not wishing to spend too much more that circa 400usd... any time spared appreciated by, dave dickerson, austin, tx From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 9 00:02:00 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:02:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? In-Reply-To: <813996.25141.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, The OB7240 pot looks like the one in the 480. I have a scrapper, however it should be easy to find one in the UK. Whenever you are searching for information on an electronic part, always provide the reference number from the circuit board. I see a few resistors that might burn when I look at the schematic, but I can't offer any intelligent help until I know specifically which one you have questions about. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:56 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness?? I've been talking this over with Andy and we think this is a bit odd. Maybe some of you have encountered this before. In my RX-505 I found a ladder resistor setup-in other words, two resistors soldered together and then the 'ladder' soldered to the board-looked cheesy as hell. In this case it was supposed to be a RF 1 Ohm 1/4 W 'J' resistor. Like I said, I found the two soldered together and since I had one of them fry, (hopefully due to a bad transistor I found) I started looking for a single resistor of the right value and tolerance. Andy could only find them in the UK. So I started hunting the schematic for one in the RX-202 parts deck. Found what was supposed to be one, but my model is a 'transition' model (Andy discovered) and even though it was labeled on the board as 'J39', it was actually a RF resistor and the one we have been looking for. Measuring it though, it runs 1.3 Ohms. However, if I solder it piggyback like the ladder I found in the 505, (with the good resistor that's left from the ladder), I get .9 Ohms?! So I pose the question; which one/way to put back into the 505? And then, If ANYONE knows where I can find that unobtanium Alps pot; Part No. 0B07240A Volume control 10K (B), PLEASE let me know. I'm completely dead without this guy and the one robbed from the 202 fell apart while installing, just like my original one did. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Mon Oct 8 18:26:17 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Please trim your posts when replying In-Reply-To: <200710081001.l98A0f7u012069@zxe.naks.com> References: <200710081001.l98A0f7u012069@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: When replying to a post on the list, please trim off the unnecessary replied content. This is especially important when replying to a digest post. This is especially annoying to those of us who read Naktalk through the digest. One of the most recent digests included someone who sent a new message to the list, including an 18-message digest in their reply. They in turn got a reply, which included this message in its entirety again. Several of the messages in the digest had multiple replies nested inside of them; the end result was 27 screens of old messages before I could read the next new message, which was shortly followed by another 27 screens of old messages! Thanks, and keep up the good work. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 9 04:01:51 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:01:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470AE10F.4080003@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/2007 7:07:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > MCM (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/) will sell you > their P/N 32-5665 for pennies. > > Yes they will, and then charge you $8.00 for shipping. Been there, done > that. > JW To be honest, if all you need is one tire, $8 for S/H is indeed high. But it will be the same $8 (or whatever) if you buy 10 tires and a few belts and whistles :-). No parts store I know of ships for nothing. How much does ESL charge? -- Ron From thepieboy at comcast.net Tue Oct 9 04:20:50 2007 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:20:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ot: advise on nakamichi receiver amp? Message-ID: <100920070220.22748.470AE58200028802000058DC221655799697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Hi Dave, Someone who is more technically-minded may have other input, but I like the SR (SR2, SR3, SR4) and TA series (TA2, TA3, TA4). These models have Nak-licensed Stasis power amps designed by Nelson Pass, and they sound very good to my ears. I think the SR models are usually made in Japan, the TA models in Taiwan. Normally I would think that would make the SRs more desirable, but the build quality on the TA's is excellent and the TA's have the added advantage of being able to control Nak decks that use a wired remote (like the Dragon, RX-505, LX-5, etc) with the wireless remote to the receiver. I think Derrick Beckner here on NakTalk pointed this out to me. I have been using examples of the TA2, TA3 and TA4 around my house for some months now and have tried them with various speakers, most notable big horn-loaded Klipsch (which are very finicky about clean amplification at low power) with excellent results. Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "d. dickerson" > hello, > > hoping to get some input on the good classic model to buy maybe on > ebay... also not wishing to spend too much more that circa 400usd... > > any time spared appreciated by, > > dave dickerson, austin, tx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 9 09:16:41 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:16:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 References: <470AE10F.4080003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <01a401c80a44$56f4d940$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Purchased from the ESL Ebay listing, cost to the Uk was $5.95 + $3 shipping so for one tyre pretty much the same overall. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 10/8/2007 7:07:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> ra.ah at rcn.com writes: >> >> MCM (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/) will sell you >> their P/N 32-5665 for pennies. >> >> Yes they will, and then charge you $8.00 for shipping. Been there, done >> that. >> JW > > To be honest, if all you need is one tire, $8 > for S/H is indeed high. But it will be the same > $8 (or whatever) if you buy 10 tires and a few > belts and whistles :-). > > No parts store I know of ships for nothing. How > much does ESL charge? > > -- Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: > 269.14.4/1056 - Release Date: 07/10/2007 18:12 > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Oct 9 09:16:31 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 03:16:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:46:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To be honest, if all you need is one tire, $8 for S/H is indeed high. But it will be the same $8 (or whatever) if you buy 10 tires and a few belts and whistles :-). No parts store I know of ships for nothing. How much does ESL charge? Then you're not talking "pennies"any more, are you? Why buy 10 tires if you've only got 1 deck? They'll go bad by the time you use them. ESL charges $4.45 plus $3 for US shipping per tire on eBay. That puts them about $1 below MCM for a single tire. BTW, I've still got a few idler tires left from the ones I bought for tests last spring. Anyone who wants one can have it for $3 including US shipping. Add 1 dollar for shipping outside the US. I've also got the belts for Sankyo transport machines (BX, CR, Cassette Deck, and DR) for $5 each. These all tested OK on a T-100. I've got Sankyo transport tape tension belts for $3 too. I take Paypal. I'm not ordering any more - when these are gone, they're gone. Jeff Whittier ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 13:30:24 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 04:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ot: advise on nakamichi receiver amp? In-Reply-To: <100920070220.22748.470AE58200028802000058DC221655799697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <260224.52387.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dave, I just bought a TA-4A to go with my Dragon and it sounds great. I decided on the TA-4A, not just because it was top-of-the-line, but because it has TAPE 1&2 input/record settings. I also have a black AKAI GX-77 reel-to-reel connected to it. I'm still looking for a manual & remote for the TA-4A, I don't know all the things it will do yet. Terry --- thepieboy at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Someone who is more technically-minded may have > other input, but I like the SR (SR2, SR3, SR4) and > TA series (TA2, TA3, TA4). These models have > Nak-licensed Stasis power amps designed by Nelson > Pass, and they sound very good to my ears. > > I think the SR models are usually made in Japan, the > TA models in Taiwan. Normally I would think that > would make the SRs more desirable, but the build > quality on the TA's is excellent and the TA's have > the added advantage of being able to control Nak > decks that use a wired remote (like the Dragon, > RX-505, LX-5, etc) with the wireless remote to the > receiver. I think Derrick Beckner here on NakTalk > pointed this out to me. > > I have been using examples of the TA2, TA3 and TA4 > around my house for some months now and have tried > them with various speakers, most notable big > horn-loaded Klipsch (which are very finicky about > clean amplification at low power) with excellent > results. > > Best regards, > John Derven > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "d. dickerson" > > > hello, > > > > hoping to get some input on the good classic model > to buy maybe on > > ebay... also not wishing to spend too much more > that circa 400usd... > > > > any time spared appreciated by, > > > > dave dickerson, austin, tx > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 14:47:00 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 05:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ot: advise on nakamichi receiver amp? In-Reply-To: <260224.52387.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <506050.81567.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Generally SR series amps were very good as far as reliability goes compared to TA series . TA series had more dry solder problems and other few repair issues ( made in Taiwan compared to SR which were made in Japan). Howeve TA series have more power than SR series. TA 4A is a very powerful receiever capable of driving any damn speaker out there. Also both the series are wonderful sounding amplifiers. Nakamichi had done justice to Nelson Pass design Kannan Terry Houchins wrote: Dave, I just bought a TA-4A to go with my Dragon and it sounds great. I decided on the TA-4A, not just because it was top-of-the-line, but because it has TAPE 1&2 input/record settings. I also have a black AKAI GX-77 reel-to-reel connected to it. I'm still looking for a manual & remote for the TA-4A, I don't know all the things it will do yet. Terry --- thepieboy at comcast.net wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Someone who is more technically-minded may have > other input, but I like the SR (SR2, SR3, SR4) and > TA series (TA2, TA3, TA4). These models have > Nak-licensed Stasis power amps designed by Nelson > Pass, and they sound very good to my ears. > > I think the SR models are usually made in Japan, the > TA models in Taiwan. Normally I would think that > would make the SRs more desirable, but the build > quality on the TA's is excellent and the TA's have > the added advantage of being able to control Nak > decks that use a wired remote (like the Dragon, > RX-505, LX-5, etc) with the wireless remote to the > receiver. I think Derrick Beckner here on NakTalk > pointed this out to me. > > I have been using examples of the TA2, TA3 and TA4 > around my house for some months now and have tried > them with various speakers, most notable big > horn-loaded Klipsch (which are very finicky about > clean amplification at low power) with excellent > results. > > Best regards, > John Derven > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "d. dickerson" > > > hello, > > > > hoping to get some input on the good classic model > to buy maybe on > > ebay... also not wishing to spend too much more > that circa 400usd... > > > > any time spared appreciated by, > > > > dave dickerson, austin, tx > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 9 15:35:54 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:35:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tyre for a CR-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470B83BA.9080201@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:46:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > To be honest, if all you need is one tire, $8 > for S/H is indeed high. But it will be the same > $8 (or whatever) if you buy 10 tires and a few > belts and whistles :-). > > No parts store I know of ships for nothing. How > much does ESL charge? > > Then you're not talking "pennies"any more, are you? The last time I bought tires from MCM, I paid 55 cents or so each. I am not even sure how much was the S/H. > Why buy 10 tires if you've only got 1 deck? They'll go > bad by the time you use them. Well, I bought 10 per order a few times. I also bought a few other things each order. Even if I didn't (and assuming 55 cent per tire and &8 S/H fro the tires only), tires cost $1.35 each. Stored correctly, they will keep for many, many years. Even if I had a single deck, I would still buy, say, three. They will cost $3.22 each. Bought from ESL, they would cost $5.27 each. This assumes that ESL always sells on ebay for this price. I've seen them get a lot more. Can't recall a single MCM tire causing any problem or audible wow. Finally: I was simply responding to the question where the tires are available and happened to state they were cheap at MCM. It's no big deal, let's not make it one. -- Ron > ESL charges $4.45 plus $3 for US shipping per tire on eBay. That puts > them about $1 below MCM for a single tire. > BTW, I've still got a few idler tires left from the ones I bought for > tests last spring. Anyone who wants one can have it for $3 including US > shipping. Add 1 dollar for shipping outside the US. I've also got the > belts for Sankyo transport machines (BX, CR, Cassette Deck, and DR) for > $5 each. These all tested OK on a T-100. I've got Sankyo > transport tape tension belts for $3 too. I take Paypal. I'm not > ordering any more - when these are gone, they're gone. > > Jeff Whittier From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 9 15:56:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:56:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ot: advise on nakamichi receiver amp? In-Reply-To: <13cb25ad9deb31a3723b147621d7a905@austin.rr.com> References: <3109064.1191847640676.JavaMail.root@ps2> <13cb25ad9deb31a3723b147621d7a905@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <470B88A5.6090200@rcn.com> d. dickerson wrote: > hello, > > hoping to get some input on the good classic model to buy maybe on > ebay... also not wishing to spend too much more that circa 400usd... > > any time spared appreciated by, > > dave dickerson, austin, tx > I have a Nakamichi RE-2 receiver that I bought for $10 because one channel intermittently died. Turned out to be a fine hair crack in a PCB (typical Nak fault) that took all of 20 minutes to locate and repair. It's sitting in my lab, where it's used for checking various signal sources during service and provides background music (driving Radio shack Minimus-7 speakers) when it's not; often for many hours at a time. Sound quality is exemplary, far better than the Marantz receiver it replaced. It's so good, in fact, I wouldn't hesitate to put it in my main home system if the need arose. I notice RE-2s go on ebay for $75 to $100. If in good condition, well worth it IMHO. -- Ron From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 16:39:31 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness Message-ID: <896670.69328.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> Tom & Ron, The resistors were soldered in parallel. What I was asking is if this common practice in Nak decks. In the schematic it's listed as R660, Part No.0214A and Description:RF 1 1/4 W J As I said, what I found were two resistors wired in parallel (like a ladder, sorry if that's the wrong term) and they measured .9 Ohms that way. Taking the same resistor out of the parts 202, it measures 1.3 Ohms before I wired it with the original resistor of the 505 (the other one being fried). Only in the 202, the board itself says J39, while the schematic reads R662, Part No.0B24023A, Description:R Fuse 1.0 It appears to be what burned up in the 505's parallel configuration is all I'm saying. By itself it measures 1.3 Ohms. Wired in parallel with the remaining/surviving 505 resistor it measures .9 Ohms. Tom, the 505 schematic Ref.No. to the pot is 04 on page 21, Part No.0B07240A, Description Volume 10K (A). If you have one, I'd be happy to buy it and pay postage, or at least a link to where I can buy a new one-even if it's in the UK. I'm pretty much dead without the pot. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 9 17:14:40 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:14:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness In-Reply-To: <896670.69328.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If R606 burned, the cam motor stalled or has an intermittent short. Someone tried to repair but didn't have a 1 ohm resistor. The intermittent short continues to try and burn the resistor, or at the very least stall the deck. Any BX1 parts deck will give you all the replacement parts you seek. If it were my deck I would replace the cam motor, Q608,Q609, and R660. On the cam pot, try winning a local eBay auction for a broken 480. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak weirdness Tom & Ron, The resistors were soldered in parallel. What I was asking is if this common practice in Nak decks. In the schematic it's listed as R660, Part No.0214A and Description:RF 1 1/4 W J As I said, what I found were two resistors wired in parallel (like a ladder, sorry if that's the wrong term) and they measured .9 Ohms that way. Taking the same resistor out of the parts 202, it measures 1.3 Ohms before I wired it with the original resistor of the 505 (the other one being fried). Only in the 202, the board itself says J39, while the schematic reads R662, Part No.0B24023A, Description:R Fuse 1.0 It appears to be what burned up in the 505's parallel configuration is all I'm saying. By itself it measures 1.3 Ohms. Wired in parallel with the remaining/surviving 505 resistor it measures .9 Ohms. Tom, the 505 schematic Ref.No. to the pot is 04 on page 21, Part No.0B07240A, Description Volume 10K (A). If you have one, I'd be happy to buy it and pay postage, or at least a link to where I can buy a new one-even if it's in the UK. I'm pretty much dead without the pot. Kevin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 9 17:16:06 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 @ CR3 4 sale Message-ID: <404381.69272.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In the next few days I'm going to list a ZX7 and a CR3 for sale on e-bay. The ZX7 is mint. Victor G on this group installed a new capstan belt earlier this year. Sometimes I hesitate to say mint but this ZX7 is as close to mint as it gets. The deck works perfectly. It comes with the original box and packing, & the original owners manual. All the small adjustment/alignment knobs are there and the covers for the knobs are also there. I'm going to list the starting bid at $350.00. If any one's interested let me know in a few days and a Nak Talker can have it for the $350 plus shipping. The CR3 (can't remember if it's an "A" or not till I get home to look at it) works fine and the starting bid will be $125.00 plus shipping. Same goes for the CR3, $125 plus shipping for the CR3 to a Nak-talker. It does not have an owners manual or original box. I can send pics also. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Tue Oct 9 21:56:05 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:56:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 @ CR3 4 sale In-Reply-To: <404381.69272.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c80aae$6df81020$0307a8c0@DR1> Bob - I would LOVE to have this ZX7!!! You can reach me offline at Danzone7 at aol.com. This is a great deck! Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:16 AM To: Nakamichi Nakamichi Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 @ CR3 4 sale In the next few days I'm going to list a ZX7 and a CR3 for sale on e-bay. The ZX7 is mint. Victor G on this group installed a new capstan belt earlier this year. Sometimes I hesitate to say mint but this ZX7 is as close to mint as it gets. The deck works perfectly. It comes with the original box and packing, & the original owners manual. All the small adjustment/alignment knobs are there and the covers for the knobs are also there. I'm going to list the starting bid at $350.00. If any one's interested let me know in a few days and a Nak Talker can have it for the $350 plus shipping. The CR3 (can't remember if it's an "A" or not till I get home to look at it) works fine and the starting bid will be $125.00 plus shipping. Same goes for the CR3, $125 plus shipping for the CR3 to a Nak-talker. It does not have an owners manual or original box. I can send pics also. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 9 21:15:00 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:15:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FINAL(?) UPDATE: CR-7A Repair.....7 Volts............. Message-ID: <100920071915.21510.470BD334000B86040000540622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have fixed the final(?) issue with my long-suffering CR-7A. A fusible resistor in the flourescent display circuit had blown, causing the display to go dark. Well, the replacement fusible resistor finally arrived from England, and when I installed it, the flourescent display was as good as new. It looks and works great. BUT........................... I am still measuring just under 7v AC going to the flourescent display. According to the service manual, this should be only 3.25v AC. I took measurements at the flourescent display terminals AND at the actual terminals of the transformer secondary, and the readings were identical... 6.84v AC, give or take a tenth of a volt. I checked the two .1uF buffer capacitors and they are both OK. And of course, the fusible resistors are now both OK. This is a really simple circuit, consisting of only the transformer, the flourescent display, the fusible resistors, and the .1uF capacitors, so there isn't a heck of a lot to diagnose. MY QUESTION: Should I worry about this slightly high voltage? Or should I just chalk it up to a variance in the transformer manufacturer and let it slide? *andy* From savtech at xtra.co.nz Wed Oct 10 07:02:31 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:02:31 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] FINAL(?) UPDATE: CR-7A Repair.....7 Volts............. References: <100920071915.21510.470BD334000B86040000540622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001001c80afa$c389d130$0301010a@SAVTECH> Hi Andy, the 7V looks correct to me. It's just the way the transformer is labelled. It would be a little easier if it had a zero shown at the centre tap of it. That is you would have a 3.25 - 0 - 3.25 winding. 3.25V + 3.25V = nearly 7V which is what you are measuring. This all assumes I am looking at the correct part of the circuit ! Keep up the great work, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] FINAL(?) UPDATE: CR-7A Repair.....7 Volts............. > > OK, I have fixed the final(?) issue with my long-suffering CR-7A. > > A fusible resistor in the flourescent display circuit had blown, causing > the display to go dark. > > Well, the replacement fusible resistor finally arrived from England, and > when I installed it, the flourescent display was as good as new. It looks > and works great. > > BUT........................... > > I am still measuring just under 7v AC going to the flourescent display. > According to the service manual, this should be only 3.25v AC. > > I took measurements at the flourescent display terminals AND at the actual > terminals of the transformer secondary, and the readings were identical... > 6.84v AC, give or take a tenth of a volt. > > I checked the two .1uF buffer capacitors and they are both OK. And of > course, the fusible resistors are now both OK. > > This is a really simple circuit, consisting of only the transformer, the > flourescent display, the fusible resistors, and the .1uF capacitors, so > there isn't a heck of a lot to diagnose. > > MY QUESTION: Should I worry about this slightly high voltage? Or should I > just chalk it up to a variance in the transformer manufacturer and let it > slide? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 10 13:56:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:56:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 @ CR3 4 sale Message-ID: <101020071156.13531.470CBDD4000C05DD000034DB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Dan: If you buy that ZX-7, you are going to love it. That is an absolutely outstanding deck. I can honestly say that I love my ZX-7 just as much as my ZX-9. FLAWLESS sound. Enjoy! That is a great deal! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 10 14:12:32 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:12:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) Message-ID: <101020071212.4128.470CC1B0000B8EEB0000102022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, just to refresh your memory: The display on my CR-7 had gone dark because a 1-ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor in the display circuit had blown. IMPORTANT FACTS: The circuit for the display consists of the following: Two 3.5v AC lines from the transformer. Each of these lines goes to its own 1 ohm 1/4 watt fusible resistor. After the resistor, each line goes to its own 0.1uF buffering capacitor, tied between the line and chassis ground. Then the lines go to the display and light it up. When one of the fusible resistors blows, the ENTIRE display goes dark---Both of the 3.5v AC lines must be working, or NONE of the display lights up. When I replaced the fusible resistor that had blown, everything was fine. But last night, the OTHER fusible resistor blew. I replaced that resistor, so now the circuit has TWO brand new fusible resistors in it. And the display is working. MY QUESTION IS THIS: Why would BOTH of the original fusible resistors blow, one right after the other? I have discovered that he voltage in this circuit is 100 percent OK. I have checked both of the buffering capacitors, and they are both OK. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THIS CIRCUIT. So nothing else can go wrong. HERE'S WHAT I THINK: This deck did get hit with a power surge, which caused all of its original problems (now fixed). There is nothing between those fusible resistors and the transformer. Perhaps when the deck got hit with the power surge, those resistors got hit just enough to weaken them, but not destroy them. But now that I am switching the deck on regularly, the resistors are working more often, and they were too weak to continue. EVEN IF I FIXED THE POWER SUPPLY INCORRECTLY, it still wouldn't matter because these fusible resistors are in a circuit to themselves! So what's going on? *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 10 15:29:33 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:29:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) In-Reply-To: <101020071212.4128.470CC1B0000B8EEB0000102022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Logical that if one opened, the other would be strained. If you look at the center transformer center tap there is a lead that goes to a negative DC power supply, so the 7vAC is connected to something else. Your display would not work, however, if there was a problem here. Set your meter for AC volts and read the voltage across each 1 ohm resistor. They ought to be equal, and less than 0.5 volts. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) OK, just to refresh your memory: The display on my CR-7 had gone dark because a 1-ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor in the display circuit had blown. IMPORTANT FACTS: The circuit for the display consists of the following: Two 3.5v AC lines from the transformer. Each of these lines goes to its own 1 ohm 1/4 watt fusible resistor. After the resistor, each line goes to its own 0.1uF buffering capacitor, tied between the line and chassis ground. Then the lines go to the display and light it up. When one of the fusible resistors blows, the ENTIRE display goes dark---Both of the 3.5v AC lines must be working, or NONE of the display lights up. When I replaced the fusible resistor that had blown, everything was fine. But last night, the OTHER fusible resistor blew. I replaced that resistor, so now the circuit has TWO brand new fusible resistors in it. And the display is working. MY QUESTION IS THIS: Why would BOTH of the original fusible resistors blow, one right after the other? I have discovered that he voltage in this circuit is 100 percent OK. I have checked both of the buffering capacitors, and they are both OK. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THIS CIRCUIT. So nothing else can go wrong. HERE'S WHAT I THINK: This deck did get hit with a power surge, which caused all of its original problems (now fixed). There is nothing between those fusible resistors and the transformer. Perhaps when the deck got hit with the power surge, those resistors got hit just enough to weaken them, but not destroy them. But now that I am switching the deck on regularly, the resistors are working more often, and they were too weak to continue. EVEN IF I FIXED THE POWER SUPPLY INCORRECTLY, it still wouldn't matter because these fusible resistors are in a circuit to themselves! So what's going on? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 10 16:03:16 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:03:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) In-Reply-To: <101020071212.4128.470CC1B0000B8EEB0000102022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <101020071212.4128.470CC1B0000B8EEB0000102022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <470CDBA4.50906@rcn.com> First: The voltage for the display you measured is PROBABLY correct. Looks like it should be 3.5 VAC on each end w.r.t. the center tap. That's 7VAC between ends. Second: The main question is why did the fusible resistors blow? Could be a spike that occurred some time in the past and the resistors were already damaged (but not blown), just waiting to die. Or, could be a fault in the circuit that you still haven't found. Possibilities: leakage (meaning, near short) between the two 3.5VAC lines going to the display, in CN-6 on the PS board, CN-20 on the display board, in the cable or on either PCB; maybe even the display itself. Or it could be leakage between either 3.5VAC line and ground. The current would then go from the -14.5DC line, through the center tap. To lay this to rest, measure the AC current through either 3.5VAC line and also the DC current into the transformer center tap, while jiggling the cable and tapping on both PCBs. These currents should be well below the maximum current allowed for the fusible resistors. Good luck, -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, just to refresh your memory: The display on my CR-7 had gone dark because a 1-ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor in the display circuit had blown. > > IMPORTANT FACTS: The circuit for the display consists of the following: Two 3.5v AC lines from the transformer. > Each of these lines goes to its own 1 ohm 1/4 watt fusible resistor. > After the resistor, each line goes to its own 0.1uF buffering capacitor, tied between the line and chassis ground. > Then the lines go to the display and light it up. > > When one of the fusible resistors blows, the ENTIRE display goes dark---Both of the 3.5v AC lines must be working, or NONE of the display lights up. > > When I replaced the fusible resistor that had blown, everything was fine. But last night, the OTHER fusible resistor blew. > > I replaced that resistor, so now the circuit has TWO brand new fusible resistors in it. And the display is working. > > MY QUESTION IS THIS: Why would BOTH of the original fusible resistors blow, one right after the other? I have discovered that he voltage in this circuit is 100 percent OK. I have checked both of the buffering capacitors, and they are both OK. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THIS CIRCUIT. So nothing else can go wrong. > > HERE'S WHAT I THINK: This deck did get hit with a power surge, which caused all of its original problems (now fixed). There is nothing between those fusible resistors and the transformer. Perhaps when the deck got hit with the power surge, those resistors got hit just enough to weaken them, but not destroy them. But now that I am switching the deck on regularly, the resistors are working more often, and they were too weak to continue. > > EVEN IF I FIXED THE POWER SUPPLY INCORRECTLY, it still wouldn't matter because these fusible resistors are in a circuit to themselves! So what's going on? > > > *andy* > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 10 16:37:26 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:37:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470CE3A6.90509@rcn.com> Tom, 0.5V will dissipate 0.25W, the actual rating for the resistor. This will blow it in a fraction of a second. I am not sure what the current rating of these particular resistors is, but would guess 1/15 to 1/30 of rated power. I'd expect voltage drop for blowing within a few seconds at about 100mV. He should measure way, way under that. -- Ron hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Logical that if one opened, the other would be strained. If you look at the > center transformer center tap there is a lead that goes to a negative DC > power supply, so the 7vAC is connected to something else. Your display would > not work, however, if there was a problem here. > Set your meter for AC volts and read the voltage across each 1 ohm > resistor. They ought to be equal, and less than 0.5 volts. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Now The Other One.... (Please Read - A Bit Long!) > > > > > OK, just to refresh your memory: The display on my CR-7 had gone dark > because a 1-ohm, 1/4 watt fusible resistor in the display circuit had blown. > > IMPORTANT FACTS: The circuit for the display consists of the following: Two > 3.5v AC lines from the transformer. > Each of these lines goes to its own 1 ohm 1/4 watt fusible resistor. > After the resistor, each line goes to its own 0.1uF buffering capacitor, > tied between the line and chassis ground. > Then the lines go to the display and light it up. > > When one of the fusible resistors blows, the ENTIRE display goes dark---Both > of the 3.5v AC lines must be working, or NONE of the display lights up. > > When I replaced the fusible resistor that had blown, everything was fine. > But last night, the OTHER fusible resistor blew. > > I replaced that resistor, so now the circuit has TWO brand new fusible > resistors in it. And the display is working. > > MY QUESTION IS THIS: Why would BOTH of the original fusible resistors blow, > one right after the other? I have discovered that he voltage in this > circuit is 100 percent OK. I have checked both of the buffering capacitors, > and they are both OK. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THIS CIRCUIT. So nothing > else can go wrong. > > HERE'S WHAT I THINK: This deck did get hit with a power surge, which caused > all of its original problems (now fixed). There is nothing between those > fusible resistors and the transformer. Perhaps when the deck got hit with > the power surge, those resistors got hit just enough to weaken them, but not > destroy them. But now that I am switching the deck on regularly, the > resistors are working more often, and they were too weak to continue. > > EVEN IF I FIXED THE POWER SUPPLY INCORRECTLY, it still wouldn't matter > because these fusible resistors are in a circuit to themselves! So what's > going on? > > > *andy* From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 21:22:33 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak weirdness Message-ID: <588388.70882.qm@web60522.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, Thanks for the info. On your advice, I bought a BX-1 dirt cheap. The Nak parts decks are starting to stack up in the house.;-) Are you saying that the 10K volume pot wold also be in a BX-1 The R606 resistor did burn-the smaller one in the parallel wired stack. That's the same one I pulled off of the 202's board. It's also the one that measures 1.3 ohms by itself, until I parallel it with the remaining 'good' resistor to measure .9 ohms. Hopefully, like you said, I can get the right parts from the BX-1. I have an extra cam motor, or what Nak calls a 'drive motor' from the the 202. The carousal was the only thing I got to work on this deck before the volume pot fell apart. The new drive motor belt seemed pretty tight when I put that on-before retesting everything. Would the motor stalling (or struggling), take out Q609 and R660? Should I have stretched the new belt a bit with my fingers first? Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From jrplosay at gci.net Thu Oct 11 05:37:12 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:37:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Refurbishing a Nak 480 Message-ID: <007001c80bb8$027f8a20$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> I just picked up this deck from a thrift, and it's marked "as is". I intend to refurb it to all it's glory. before I get started, and helpful hints or sources I might want to know about? Any common problems? Thanks for the help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Thu Oct 11 13:16:48 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:16:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Refurbish NAK 480 Message-ID: <24097080.1192101408042.JavaMail.root@ps2> Jim Plosay 1/10/2007 5:37 Onderwerp: [naktalk] Refurbishing a Nak 480 Jim , take a look at the [FAQ's for Nak's] and [Common Repairs] parts in http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ Via [links] you will find more. Succes, the 480 is a smart machine. Henk Schenk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Oct 11 20:03:12 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:03:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Refurbishing a Nak 480 Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2007 12:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrplosay at gci.net writes: I just picked up this deck from a thrift, and it's marked "as is". I intend to refurb it to all it's glory. before I get started, and helpful hints or sources I might want to know about? Any common problems? Thanks for the help. Thrift store 480! I love it! The eject mechanism of the 480 is badly designed and often fails. Tom's instructions for repairing it is in the archives. Every used 480 I have ever seen needed to have the cam belt replaced. You can use a PRB brand SCQ4.8 which is commonly available at parts stores for around $3. You can also oil the cam shaft itself. You can find instructions for this on Scott Johnson's site. The Nak service bulletin recommends "sewing machine oil." Many Naktalkers are using Prolong brand Precision Oil. I was driving by a sewing machine store and on a whim stopped and asked the owner if he had any sewing machine oil. He was an older gentleman dressed very natty-ly for 1965. He sold me some "Alpha Sew - Zoom Spout" which has a long nozzle which reaches the cam shaft very nicely. Also, all the Naks of that age are subject to the failure of orange capacitors in the bias oscillator circuits. You will find a lot of discussion of this in the archives. Good luck - enjoy your deck. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 11 23:13:23 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:13:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? Message-ID: <20071011171323.1IXRT.208950.root@eastrmwml23.mgt.cox.net> I spend a lot of time on eBay not only to buy things but view some really neat items. Of course, viewing the cassette deck section is a staple diet of my day. There is an auction on eBay for a ZX7 and no, it's not me or anyone I know. Decent price and the seller has a 100% feedback rating. However, there is two things that I find strikingly strange about the auction. First, the picture is not of the ZX7 that he is selling but a picture of one just like it. I asked him why he didn't use a picture of his deck and he replied that he doesn't know how to download a picture and he's not computer savy. Yet, he's been on eBay for over 5 years and doesn't know how to do thi stuff. Second, when the item description looks like text messaging or a ninety word run-on sentence or a complete lack of a capital letter, I assume the seller is rather young. However, he claims to have owned this cassette deck since new in 1983. Anyone else as critical as I when viewing eBay auctions? From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Oct 12 05:07:21 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:07:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? Message-ID: <101220070307.3176.470EE4E900082CF500000C6822165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Fri Oct 12 09:38:48 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:38:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? References: <101220070307.3176.470EE4E900082CF500000C6822165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000701c80ca2$ed6f9fd0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> This is not a CR 7. It looks like an Onkyo to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 12 09:43:32 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:43:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? Message-ID: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. Located in Boston MA If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. Wouter From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Oct 12 11:37:49 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:37:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? In-Reply-To: <000701c80ca2$ed6f9fd0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> References: <101220070307.3176.470EE4E900082CF500000C6822165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <000701c80ca2$ed6f9fd0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: Yes also for me IS NOT a Nakamichi!!! Alex! > From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture???> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:38:48 +0200> > This is not a CR 7. It looks like an Onkyo to me.> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:07 AM> Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture???> > > >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Oct 12 12:45:42 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:45:42 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? In-Reply-To: <20071011171323.1IXRT.208950.root@eastrmwml23.mgt.cox.net> References: <20071011171323.1IXRT.208950.root@eastrmwml23.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <470F5056.6060109@otenet.gr> Rolland, check the guys other items on sale ........he has pictures on them! How the heck did he managed to download them? Unless he learned meanwhile ...which i doubt it....The guy is Bull Shit..... us! Roland wrote: >I spend a lot of time on eBay not only to buy things but view some really neat items. Of course, viewing the cassette deck section is a staple diet of my day. > >There is an auction on eBay for a ZX7 and no, it's not me or anyone I know. Decent price and the seller has a 100% feedback rating. > >However, there is two things that I find strikingly strange about the auction. > >First, the picture is not of the ZX7 that he is selling but a picture of one just like it. I asked him why he didn't use a picture of his deck and he replied that he doesn't know how to download a picture and he's not computer savy. Yet, he's been on eBay for over 5 years and doesn't know how to do thi stuff. > >Second, when the item description looks like text messaging or a ninety word run-on sentence or a complete lack of a capital letter, I assume the seller is rather young. However, he claims to have owned this cassette deck since new in 1983. > >Anyone else as critical as I when viewing eBay auctions? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Fri Oct 12 13:23:23 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences Message-ID: <001c01c80cc2$4d9be430$6401a8c0@main> I got bulk Belden 1505F (RG-59) cable, single-stranded inner conductor and double braided shield (about $0.63 a foot by the foot from Zebra cables-bulk cable). This cable is one of the better cables used by bluejeans. More flexible than their cable of choice for long runs. The Zebra outfit was the only one I found that sold it by the foot not only by the 500 ft roll. My plugs are PERFORMANCE SOLDER-STYLE RCA PLUG CONNECTOR 4-pk-$15 a set from Impact Acoustics. They are well built, color coded and gold plated. That makes one REAL NICE cable pair for about $20 . Need longer, add $1.25 a ft. The cable is nice and flexible and very well shielded. The plugs lock by tightening the ground shield sleeve and are not overly stiff subjecting the deck jack to stress. You sure do not want to damage a NAK input jack! Slipping a short piece of colored shrink-fit tube over the two wires (at each end) prior to attaching the second pair of plugs holds the pair and can color code them for you. I am not a cable fanatic though but insist on well built, well shielded sturdy cables that are not overly stiff or overly tight on jacks prone to damage them when inserted or pulled out. Other cables I have include several Monster (including 1000 I, Blue jeans with Canare connectors and some pro cables by Mogomi. I like these best with the Mogami coming in second. The Monster are a dead last only superior to radio shack. My equipment is not "Super Audiophile" but includes 4 NAK decks, both an Apt Holman and an Accuphase C200 preamp, a Dynavector Diamond cartridge with Sota sapphire table with Unipoint arm and a PS audio moving coil amp. Speakers are JBL 4343 monitors (sound a lot like B&W big monitors) driven by Heath, Amber and occasionally a McIntosh 240 tube amp on a Marchand active crossover. Not AR or Krell but decent. The only difference I ever hear in cables is when one is not making good contact or the pop when one breaks an equipment jack. That's just me though. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Oct 12 14:43:59 2007 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:43:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx problem In-Reply-To: <001c01c80cc2$4d9be430$6401a8c0@main> References: <001c01c80cc2$4d9be430$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: Hope someone can help me out with this problem. I noticed recently that with the recording inputs and master control on full setting that I have only just been reaching 0dB on the level indicators.Now nothing is being recorded onto the tapes at all even though the level meters are showing up to the 0dB point. What should I be looking at to rectify the situation? I am expecting bad news I think! Many thanks for any help. Shaman Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:23 -0400 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences To: naktalk at naks.com I got bulk Belden 1505F (RG-59) cable, single-stranded inner conductor and double braided shield (about $0.63 a foot by the foot from Zebra cables-bulk cable). This cable is one of the better cables used by bluejeans. More flexible than their cable of choice for long runs. The Zebra outfit was the only one I found that sold it by the foot not only by the 500 ft roll. My plugs are PERFORMANCE SOLDER-STYLE RCA PLUG CONNECTOR 4-pk-$15 a set from Impact Acoustics. They are well built, color coded and gold plated. That makes one REAL NICE cable pair for about $20 . Need longer, add $1.25 a ft. The cable is nice and flexible and very well shielded. The plugs lock by tightening the ground shield sleeve and are not overly stiff subjecting the deck jack to stress. You sure do not want to damage a NAK input jack! Slipping a short piece of colored shrink-fit tube over the two wires (at each end) prior to attaching the second pair of plugs holds the pair and can color code them for you. I am not a cable fanatic though but insist on well built, well shielded sturdy cables that are not overly stiff or overly tight on jacks prone to damage them when inserted or pulled out. Other cables I have include several Monster (including 1000 I, Blue jeans with Canare connectors and some pro cables by Mogomi. I like these best with the Mogami coming in second. The Monster are a dead last only superior to radio shack. My equipment is not "Super Audiophile" but includes 4 NAK decks, both an Apt Holman and an Accuphase C200 preamp, a Dynavector Diamond cartridge with Sota sapphire table with Unipoint arm and a PS audio moving coil amp. Speakers are JBL 4343 monitors (sound a lot like B&W big monitors) driven by Heath, Amber and occasionally a McIntosh 240 tube amp on a Marchand active crossover. Not AR or Krell but decent. The only difference I ever hear in cables is when one is not making good contact or the pop when one breaks an equipment jack. That's just me though. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 12 14:46:07 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:46:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? In-Reply-To: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> References: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <470F6C8F.6040305@rcn.com> Wouter Heijke wrote: > Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: > > Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. > Located in Boston MA > > If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. > > Wouter > Gee, I wish it was a 3 head machine, I would have jumped on it. Not to cannibalize, but to repair and put in my lab system. And Boston is just 25 minutes away... -- Ron From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 12 14:57:40 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:57:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? In-Reply-To: <470F6C8F.6040305@rcn.com> References: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> <470F6C8F.6040305@rcn.com> Message-ID: <470F6F44.5090101@xs4all.nl> Well... you could always be waiting for a nice surprise. Once I bought a "580", when the deck arrived in the mail it appeared to be a 582Z! But you will let this one pass, even if nobody wants it? Wouter Ron wrote: > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: >> >> Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. >> Located in Boston MA >> >> If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. >> >> Wouter >> > > Gee, I wish it was a 3 head machine, I would have > jumped on it. Not to cannibalize, but to repair and > put in my lab system. And Boston is just 25 minutes > away... > > -- Ron From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Oct 12 15:51:22 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 9:51:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? In-Reply-To: <101220070307.3176.470EE4E900082CF500000C6822165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071012095122.TQK0O.218665.root@eastrmwml10> Do you mean other than it's not a CR7 or that the description was copied from this article? http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 12 16:08:45 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:08:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? In-Reply-To: <20071012095122.TQK0O.218665.root@eastrmwml10> References: <20071012095122.TQK0O.218665.root@eastrmwml10> Message-ID: <470F7FED.5080109@xs4all.nl> And the features below that article are from... naks.com! I suppose this seller had his cr-7 'pimped' with an Onkyo front ;-) Roland wrote: > Do you mean other than it's not a CR7 or that the description was copied from this article? > > http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichicr7e.html > > > ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 >> From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 16:30:55 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? Message-ID: <485691.5850.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com> Roland, I think your observations are spot-on and would follow your instincts on this. Those are some salient red flags in my experience. The bad grammar and run-on sentences are common for people who are undereducated, from another country originally, or just willfully making a bad item description. The inability to post a pic is ridiculous, as ebay makes it easy for the simplest dolt-especially if he's been on ebay for yrs. This is analogous to the sellers who claim they "have no tape" to test cassette players and R2Rs, yet if you look at their history they pedal dozens (or hundreds) of units. My guess is he's yo-yoing the unit fresh from a garage/estate sale. It's up to you, but in those cases I usually stay around minimum bid. All of my assumptions could be wrong however, as that's the 'beauty' of ebay and you could get a real deal-or not.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 16:56:58 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:56:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? In-Reply-To: <470F6F44.5090101@xs4all.nl> References: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> <470F6C8F.6040305@rcn.com> <470F6F44.5090101@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Very tempting here too (I live near Boston and work in Boston), but I just don't have room for yet another tape deck (unless it's something REALLY special) :). Geoffrey Reynolds On 10/12/07, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Well... you could always be waiting for a nice surprise. > Once I bought a "580", when the deck arrived in the mail it appeared to > be a 582Z! > > But you will let this one pass, even if nobody wants it? > > Wouter > > Ron wrote: > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: > >> > >> Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. > >> Located in Boston MA > >> > >> If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. > >> > >> Wouter > >> > > > > Gee, I wish it was a 3 head machine, I would have > > jumped on it. Not to cannibalize, but to repair and > > put in my lab system. And Boston is just 25 minutes > > away... > > > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked him why he didn't use a picture of his deck and he replied that he doesn't know how to download a picture and he's not computer savy. Yet, he's been on eBay for over 5 years and doesn't know how to do thi stuff. Second, when the item description looks like text messaging or a ninety word run-on sentence or a complete lack of a capital letter, I assume the seller is rather young. However, he claims to have owned this cassette deck since new in 1983. Anyone else as critical as I when viewing eBay auctions? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Oct 12 17:36:53 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:36:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? In-Reply-To: <485691.5850.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071012113653.K4S1E.220518.root@eastrmwml10> Kevin, I've been on eBay since 1999 so I've seen just about everything! In my mind, about 30% of auctions are borderline scams, 30% fit into the garage sale category as you've noted and about 40% are honest sellers. Of the honest sellers, I think only 20% are honest AND knowledgeable. Oh, I wasn't planning on bidding but the auction reminded me of the Nakster that posted a ZX7 and CR3 sale here on naktalk. ---- Kevin Fetner wrote: > Roland, > I think your observations are spot-on and would follow > your instincts on this. Those are some salient red > flags in my experience. From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 12 17:53:48 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:53:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx problem References: <001c01c80cc2$4d9be430$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <00db01c80ce8$14334730$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> RU sure that all of the other switches [3 position sliders] were all set correctly to permit recording correctly as well as the input & master level rotary ones. One of these might have been moved without U noticing ? Very easy if someone 'dusted' or ?? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel vernon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682zx problem Hope someone can help me out with this problem. I noticed recently that with the recording inputs and master control on full setting that I have only just been reaching 0dB on the level indicators.Now nothing is being recorded onto the tapes at all even though the level meters are showing up to the 0dB point. What should I be looking at to rectify the situation? I am expecting bad news I think! Many thanks for any help. Shaman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:23:23 -0400 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences To: naktalk at naks.com I got bulk Belden 1505F (RG-59) cable, single-stranded inner conductor and double braided shield (about $0.63 a foot by the foot from Zebra cables-bulk cable). This cable is one of the better cables used by bluejeans. More flexible than their cable of choice for long runs. The Zebra outfit was the only one I found that sold it by the foot not only by the 500 ft roll. My plugs are PERFORMANCE SOLDER-STYLE RCA PLUG CONNECTOR 4-pk-$15 a set from Impact Acoustics. They are well built, color coded and gold plated. That makes one REAL NICE cable pair for about $20 . Need longer, add $1.25 a ft. The cable is nice and flexible and very well shielded. The plugs lock by tightening the ground shield sleeve and are not overly stiff subjecting the deck jack to stress. You sure do not want to damage a NAK input jack! Slipping a short piece of colored shrink-fit tube over the two wires (at each end) prior to attaching the second pair of plugs holds the pair and can color code them for you. I am not a cable fanatic though but insist on well built, well shielded sturdy cables that are not overly stiff or overly tight on jacks prone to damage them when inserted or pulled out. Other cables I have include several Monster (including 1000 I, Blue jeans with Canare connectors and some pro cables by Mogomi. I like these best with the Mogami coming in second. The Monster are a dead last only superior to radio shack. My equipment is not "Super Audiophile" but includes 4 NAK decks, both an Apt Holman and an Accuphase C200 preamp, a Dynavector Diamond cartridge with Sota sapphire table with Unipoint arm and a PS audio moving coil amp. Speakers are JBL 4343 monitors (sound a lot like B&W big monitors) driven by Heath, Amber and occasionally a McIntosh 240 tube amp on a Marchand active crossover. Not AR or Krell but decent. The only difference I ever hear in cables is when one is not making good contact or the pop when one breaks an equipment jack. That's just me though. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. 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Message-ID: <101220071737.10322.470FB0CA0005A6EF0000285222165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-MR-1-PROFESSIONAL-AUDIO-CASSETTE-TAPE-DECK_W0QQitemZ110178123002QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3278QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From marc at stager.com Fri Oct 12 19:33:32 2007 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:33:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Need service info for 682zx In-Reply-To: <200710121001.l9CA0mTp019036@zxe.naks.com> References: <200710121001.l9CA0mTp019036@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20071012132854.03a68f48@stager.com> Where can I get a clean scan of a 682zx service manual, or just the pages in that manual showing the position and function of the calibration trimpots on the circuit boards ? (The 680zx info, which I have, is completely different) Many thanks in advance. ____________ Marc Stager From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Oct 12 22:06:42 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:06:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] WOW, What a DEAL!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/2007 1:04:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-MR-1-PROFESSIONAL-AUDIO-CASSETTE-TAPE-DECK_W0QQi temZ110178123002QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3278QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Yeah, what a deal. But don't forget, it's now cheaper in Canadian dollars. Haha JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 22:47:10 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:47:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? Message-ID: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am soliciting input. I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle meters over LED segments (call me silly). So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? -Tim From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 00:29:06 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? Message-ID: <646318.38294.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> "Kevin, I've been on eBay since 1999 so I've seen just about everything! In my mind, about 30% of auctions are borderline scams, 30% fit into the garage sale category as you've noted and about 40% are honest sellers. Of the honest sellers, I think only 20% are honest AND knowledgeable. Oh, I wasn't planning on bidding but the auction reminded me of the Nakster that posted a ZX7 and CR3 sale here on naktalk." I haven't been here long enough to know about the Nakster who posted a ZX-7 and a CR-3....did that turn out to be a scam or a bad thing for the group? I agree totally about your ebay percentages. How true that many are honest but NOT knowledgeable! On the one hand you can't 'blame' them, but on the other it's the buyer that has to deal with the item and the carnage, regardless. I'm very careful these days on what I say about ebay....specifically because so many in these audio groups are 'sellers' and adamantly defend ebay. I sell occasionally, but so far never anything electronic. The truth is, vintage electronics are 'hot' right now, especially the high-end units. Human nature being what it is, that's caused many individuals to scour thrift shops, estate auctions, garage sales, dumpsters and then yo-yo their items on ebay-they don't even clean off the yrs of accumulated dirt! Shhhhh...I'm bidding on a sleeper receiver right now. Lettering is almost gone, due to vigorous cleaning efforts on the sellers part-in this case, I wished he had left it dirty.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 03:45:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:45:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The REAL Reason Why Cassettes Are Scarce... Message-ID: <101320070145.20245.47102355000C638500004F1522165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> This is actually a pretty cool little film...in a juvenile kind of way......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a5-yW7alJA *andy* From jrplosay at gci.net Sat Oct 13 04:25:57 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:25:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Refurbishing a Nak 480 References: <200710121000.l9CA0mTo019036@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <006b01c80d40$63785e40$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> I went to the NL website and they had exactly what I needed. That was great. My deck had a frozen supply reel pinch roller assy and with the pictures on the website I was able to remove it and clean it up. Deck works fine now. Does anybody know the ratings on the LEDs for the PLAY and REC function buttons, as that's the last thing I need to fix? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 02:00 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 11 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Refurbish NAK 480 (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) > 2. Re: Refurbishing a Nak 480 (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 3. OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? (Roland) > 4. What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 5. Re: What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? (Jannis) > 6. anyone for a 480? (Wouter Heijke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:16:48 +0200 (CEST) > From: "wnn523484 at tiscali.nl" > Subject: [naktalk] Refurbish NAK 480 > To: > Message-ID: <24097080.1192101408042.JavaMail.root at ps2> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Jim Plosay > 1/10/2007 5:37 > Onderwerp: [naktalk] Refurbishing a Nak 480 > > Jim , take a look at the [FAQ's for Nak's] and [Common Repairs] parts in > http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ > > Via [links] you will find more. > > Succes, the 480 is a smart machine. > > Henk Schenk > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071011/649bc414/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:03:12 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Refurbishing a Nak 480 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 10/11/2007 12:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jrplosay at gci.net writes: > > I just picked up this deck from a thrift, and it's marked "as is". I > intend > to refurb it to all it's glory. before I get started, and helpful hints > or > sources I might want to know about? Any common problems? Thanks for the > help. > > > > Thrift store 480! I love it! > > The eject mechanism of the 480 is badly designed and often fails. Tom's > instructions for repairing it is in the archives. > > Every used 480 I have ever seen needed to have the cam belt replaced. > You > can use a PRB brand SCQ4.8 which is commonly available at parts stores for > around $3. You can also oil the cam shaft itself. You can find > instructions > for this on Scott Johnson's site. The Nak service bulletin recommends > "sewing > machine oil." Many Naktalkers are using Prolong brand Precision Oil. I > was > driving by a sewing machine store and on a whim stopped and asked the > owner > if he had any sewing machine oil. He was an older gentleman dressed very > natty-ly for 1965. He sold me some "Alpha Sew - Zoom Spout" which has a > long > nozzle which reaches the cam shaft very nicely. > > Also, all the Naks of that age are subject to the failure of orange > capacitors in the bias oscillator circuits. You will find a lot of > discussion of > this in the archives. > > Good luck - enjoy your deck. > > Jeff W > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071011/6105d518/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:13:23 -0400 > From: Roland > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Am I alone on this or just whacked out? > To: navtalk > Message-ID: <20071011171323.1IXRT.208950.root at eastrmwml23.mgt.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I spend a lot of time on eBay not only to buy things but view some really > neat items. Of course, viewing the cassette deck section is a staple diet > of my day. > > There is an auction on eBay for a ZX7 and no, it's not me or anyone I > know. Decent price and the seller has a 100% feedback rating. > > However, there is two things that I find strikingly strange about the > auction. > > First, the picture is not of the ZX7 that he is selling but a picture of > one just like it. I asked him why he didn't use a picture of his deck > and he replied that he doesn't know how to download a picture and he's not > computer savy. Yet, he's been on eBay for over 5 years and doesn't know > how to do thi stuff. > > Second, when the item description looks like text messaging or a ninety > word run-on sentence or a complete lack of a capital letter, I assume the > seller is rather young. However, he claims to have owned this cassette > deck since new in 1983. > > Anyone else as critical as I when viewing eBay auctions? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:07:21 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <101220070307.3176.470EE4E900082CF500000C6822165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:38:48 +0200 > From: "Jannis" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <000701c80ca2$ed6f9fd0$e601a8c0 at JNDB40XZ6IESG5> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > This is not a CR 7. It looks like an Onkyo to me. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:07 AM > Subject: [naktalk] What's Wrong With THIS Picture??? > > >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280162269737 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:43:32 +0200 > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <470F25A4.6060205 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: > > Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. > Located in Boston MA > > If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. > > Wouter > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 11 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.8/1064 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 3:09 PM > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Oct 13 10:21:05 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:21:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need service info for 682zx References: <200710121001.l9CA0mTp019036@zxe.naks.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20071012132854.03a68f48@stager.com> Message-ID: <001801c80d72$00009490$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi Marc, for 15 dollars it is downloadable . I have download the ZX7 manual there and the quality was good. http://www.manuals-in-pdf.com/682ZX-p-121375.html Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Need service info for 682zx > Where can I get a clean scan of a 682zx service manual, or just the pages > in that manual showing the position and function of the calibration > trimpots > on the circuit boards ? (The 680zx info, which I have, is completely > different) > > Many thanks in advance. > > ____________ Marc Stager > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2590 (20071012) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 14:08:26 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:08:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Mix-Up Message-ID: <101320071208.22169.4710B53A000B56A10000569922165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR3-E-3-HEAD-CASSETTE-DECK-BOXED-MINT_W0QQitemZ290167331320QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I dunno....can you do damage to a CR-3 if you follow the operating instructions found in a Denon DCD-1500II manual? Or are the units so similar that either manual will suffice? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! *andy* From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Oct 13 14:33:38 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:33:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Tim, As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take the RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot what in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the aural differences. It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be interested in your opinion!. My two-penneth... cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for > known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other > is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am > soliciting input. > > I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a > more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the > dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The > advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a > third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle > meters over LED segments (call me silly). > > So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that > wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? > > -Tim > > From enoyes at snet.net Sat Oct 13 15:12:31 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:12:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? In-Reply-To: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> References: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4710C43F.50507@snet.net> Hi Wouter, Is this deck taken yet. If not, I could give it new rubber and a wonderful home. Thanks, Ed Wouter Heijke wrote: > Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: > > Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. > Located in Boston MA > > If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From lenaw at flash.net Sat Oct 13 15:13:39 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <215888.63206.qm@web80214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You forgot to mention that the 680ZX has dual speeds while the 670ZX only has the single standard speed. But the half speed of the 680ZX cannot be used in other decks that do not have this feature, though. Are you sure that the 670ZX has no remote ? Soundwise, both the 670ZX and 680ZX are the same to me. I myself, prefer the needles as well although the FL meters of the 680ZX also is nice. Mike Tim Skorick wrote: I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am soliciting input. I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle meters over LED segments (call me silly). So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? -Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Oct 13 15:55:36 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:55:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4710CE58.2010407@cox.net> Have you considered just buying them both? Tim Skorick wrote: > I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for > known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other > is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am > soliciting input. > > I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a > more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the > dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The > advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a > third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle > meters over LED segments (call me silly). > > So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that > wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? > > -Tim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 16:28:00 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:28:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx v 680zx Message-ID: <001501c80da5$425375f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Tim, I have a 670zx and a 682zx, both restored by ESL (I also have quite a few other Naks including a Dragon and a CR-7). Electronically, the 670zx is closer to the 680zx than is the 682zx, so a comparison to the 682ZX is not entirely valid, but for me, the 670zx sounds better than the 682zx. Both of my decks are outstanding performers, but the 670zx has a fuller and more natural sound. My 670ZX also compares very favorably with the Dragon and CR-7, and has become my favorite listening deck. As you observed the needle peak level meters on the 670zx are nice to use, and to look at, with that classic Nak appearance that is hard to beat. If the ½ speed is important to you, then the 680zx is the way to go. But the 670zx is an outstanding performer, and I can recommend it without reservation. By the way, the 670ZX also can use the RM-200 and RM-580 remotes. One last consideration is Dolby...neither the 670ZX nor the 680ZX has Dolby C......they only have Dolby B. That doesn’t bother me, because I use Dolby B anyway. Robert Kent Tim wrote: >I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >soliciting input. >I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >More modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The >advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a >third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >meters over LED segments (call me silly). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Sat Oct 13 19:38:13 2007 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:38:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line Message-ID: <210302880710131038r7e315f6bgaaa0ccad3a857362@mail.gmail.com> Martin Short wrote: >> Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX) << Can you say how you heard the 682zx to compare to the 670/680zx? I personally found the 660/680/682zx's -- I haven't heard the 670, 681 or non-zx versions of the line -- to be as a group much warmer than the cr-7a. (I certainly understand some people much prefering the more "precise" sound of the cr-7a, and other 80's Nakamichis, but my ears prefer the earlier late 70's "warm" sound.) I didn't spend much time comparing the different versions of the line, as you have, so I am very interested in your response. One problem I know in such evaluations is that when the differences between the models are that close and now more than 25 years old, its can be hard to factor out the differences in usage/wear/state-of-repair between two different machines. As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. Thanks, Tony From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 13 20:40:49 2007 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:40:49 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? Message-ID: All along I was thinking that my next deck would be a 680zx. However, I knew all along I would never use the 1/2 speed. Because of this posting I hope to make my next Nak deck a 670zx (2nd choice would be an RX505). Hey guys, I found the unit to transfer all my 580 cassettes (and some 300 top notch LP's) to CD's. It's an Onkyo DX-RD511 Dual Tray CD recorder. I got it on Ebay for $158 (looks new w/ remote, made in Japan, Sept. 2000, shipping included). The unit in mint or excellent condition usually goes for $200 - $230). - Mark Exstedt, owner of a Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5.> From: theshorty at bigpond.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX?> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:33:38 +1000> > Tim,> > As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, especially > if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a > mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some > recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is > just my appreciation. The basic differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed > capability, nice fluorometers vs needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, > vs 9 for the 670ZX. The 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for > frequency response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take > the RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot what > in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the aural > differences.> It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX > undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain.> If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be interested in > your opinion!.> My two-penneth...> > cheers,> > Martin> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Tim Skorick' > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM> Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX?> > > >I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for> > known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other> > is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am> > soliciting input.> >> > I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a> > more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the> > dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The> > advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a> > third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle> > meters over LED segments (call me silly).> >> > So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that> > wouldn't show up on the spec sheets?> >> > -Tim> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Oct 14 01:16:28 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:16:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Mix-Up In-Reply-To: <101320071208.22169.4710B53A000B56A10000569922165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071013191628.6J8GR.232694.root@eastrmwml10> hahahahahahahahahaha ---- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR3-E-3-HEAD-CASSETTE-DECK-BOXED-MINT_W0QQitemZ290167331320QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I dunno....can you do damage to a CR-3 if you follow the operating instructions found in a Denon DCD-1500II manual? > > Or are the units so similar that either manual will suffice? > > LOL!!!!!!!!!!! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sun Oct 14 02:46:28 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line In-Reply-To: <210302880710131038r7e315f6bgaaa0ccad3a857362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <956499.39796.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> According to what I understand ( correct me if I am wrong ) the 660/670/680ZX have the same heads/transport system. From the published Nak spec. the 660/670/680ZX has the same frequency response for metal tapes but 680ZX has 2kHz higher at the high end on both Type-I and -II tapes. Now will you hear the difference on this difference, I don't but somebody may. Like somebody point it out over here before, the electronic system ( record and playback amps ) may not be the same and if that is true, it may contribute to what somebody claims that the 680ZX is a baby ZXL. If that is the case, the owners of the 660/670ZX should be happy with what they got ( fraction of the price of a ZXL and very respective playback performance ). I personally consider the 670ZX to be a very musical playback deck even though I own all three models as well as the 682ZX. However, I did believe the 682ZX to have better recording performance among these four though. Mike Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: Martin Short wrote: >> Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX) << Can you say how you heard the 682zx to compare to the 670/680zx? I personally found the 660/680/682zx's -- I haven't heard the 670, 681 or non-zx versions of the line -- to be as a group much warmer than the cr-7a. (I certainly understand some people much prefering the more "precise" sound of the cr-7a, and other 80's Nakamichis, but my ears prefer the earlier late 70's "warm" sound.) I didn't spend much time comparing the different versions of the line, as you have, so I am very interested in your response. One problem I know in such evaluations is that when the differences between the models are that close and now more than 25 years old, its can be hard to factor out the differences in usage/wear/state-of-repair between two different machines. As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. Thanks, Tony ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 03:58:40 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:58:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line In-Reply-To: <210302880710131038r7e315f6bgaaa0ccad3a857362@mail.gmail.com> References: <210302880710131038r7e315f6bgaaa0ccad3a857362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110710131858t63133540y6260856f3e7bd190@mail.gmail.com> This is more of the kind of comparison information that I would like. I know the 680zx and the 670zx have the same heads, transport, AAA features, NR circuitry and the like, but I wasn't sure if perhaps there were some difference in the capacitors used in the signal path or whatnot that would lead to differences in sound between the two. As it stands there is a 65% chance that I'll just buy the 670zx and a 35% that I'll buy both decks :-) -Tim > As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs > than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as > described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the > same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). > Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing > noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. > > Thanks, > Tony > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From danzone7 at aol.com Sun Oct 14 04:26:16 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:26:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Going from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> Mark brings up in interesting topic regarding the ability to go from a Nak to the digital domain. I recall some posts way back about CD recorders, but I am interested in finding out if some Naktalkers have found the "perfect synergy" between a Nak deck and a CD recorder that they can recommend? Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? All along I was thinking that my next deck would be a 680zx. However, I knew all along I would never use the 1/2 speed. Because of this posting I hope to make my next Nak deck a 670zx (2nd choice would be an RX505). Hey guys, I found the unit to transfer all my 580 cassettes (and some 300 top notch LP's) to CD's. It's an Onkyo DX-RD511 Dual Tray CD recorder. I got it on Ebay for $158 (looks new w/ remote, made in Japan, Sept. 2000, shipping included). The unit in mint or excellent condition usually goes for $200 - $230). - Mark Exstedt, owner of a Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5. > From: theshorty at bigpond.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:33:38 +1000 > > Tim, > > As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, especially > if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a > mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some > recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is > just my appreciation. The basic differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed > capability, nice fluorometers vs needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, > vs 9 for the 670ZX. The 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for > frequency response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take > the RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot what > in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the aural > differences. > It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX > undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. > If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be interested in > your opinion!. > My two-penneth... > > cheers, > > Martin _____ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cukim at shinbiro.com Sun Oct 14 11:52:45 2007 From: cukim at shinbiro.com (Chung Ung Kim) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:52:45 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Need help to fix unbalcing left and right playback output of 682ZX Message-ID: <1192355555917794.1.mail01@mail01> I am using Nakamichi 682ZX and all of sudden troubles are happening these days. I repaired trouble of non recording problem by replacing one orange capacitor and one transistor in the bias section according to valuable tips of naktalk. I have another problem now to be fixed. Left playback channel volume is much smaller and high frequency is much rolled off than right channel but VU bar indicators are shown both same indication level. Please let me know how to fix it. Should I change another yellow capacitors in the signal path after the VU meter? I do not have schematic so please let me how and what part number including values should I find out. Looking forward to hearing prompt answer from very kind naktlk members. Thank you very much, Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 14 16:17:14 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:17:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Going from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <17d5ee910710140717s2057bf8cnc24872c150d35347@mail.gmail.com> Tascam DV-RA1000? It records to DSD on DVD-RWs, it's not readable by a normal SACD player though, only computers with the proper hardware and software and the recorder itself. It burns the DSD signal to files. Oh, and it supports DVD-Audio as well. It's pretty expensive though, but the cheapest DSD solution available. 2007/10/13, Dan : > > > Mark brings up in interesting topic regarding the ability to go from a Nak > to the digital domain. I recall some posts way back about CD recorders, but > I am interested in finding out if some Naktalkers have found the "perfect > synergy" between a Nak deck and a CD recorder that they can recommend? > > Dan > > ________________________________ > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Exstedt > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: FW: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > > All along I was thinking that my next deck would be a 680zx. However, I knew > all along I would never use the 1/2 speed. Because of this posting I hope to > make my next Nak deck a 670zx (2nd choice would be an RX505). > Hey guys, I found the unit to transfer all my 580 cassettes (and some 300 > top notch LP's) to CD's. It's an Onkyo DX-RD511 Dual Tray CD recorder. I > got it on Ebay for $158 (looks new w/ remote, made in Japan, Sept. 2000, > shipping included). The unit in mint or excellent condition usually goes for > $200 - $230). > > - Mark Exstedt, owner of a Dragon, ZX-7, and LX-5. > > > From: theshorty at bigpond.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:33:38 +1000 > > > > Tim, > > > > As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, especially > > if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a > > mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some > > recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is > > just my appreciation. The basic differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed > > capability, nice fluorometers vs needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme > RAMM, > > vs 9 for the 670ZX. The 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for > > frequency response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both > take > > the RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot > what > > in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the aural > > differences. > > It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX > > undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. > > If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be interested > in > > your opinion!. > > My two-penneth... > > > > cheers, > > > > Martin > > > ________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble > challenge with star power. Play Now! = > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 14 16:02:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:02:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] anyone for a 480? In-Reply-To: <4710C43F.50507@snet.net> References: <470F25A4.6060205@xs4all.nl> <4710C43F.50507@snet.net> Message-ID: <4712216B.50303@rcn.com> Sorry, Ed, this deck was taken. By me. Yesterday. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Is this deck taken yet. If not, I could give it new rubber and a > wonderful home. > > Thanks, Ed > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> Received a message through the website of someone donating a 480: >> >> Needs replacement of rubber belts. Otherwise in fine condition. >> Located in Boston MA >> >> If anyone around there is interested contact me for more information. >> >> Wouter > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 14 16:05:25 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:05:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? In-Reply-To: <019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com> <019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <47122225.7010906@rcn.com> Martin, I wonder if the sonic difference you hear is not between *your* 670ZX and *your* 680ZX. Both decks sounded the same to me, though this was a long time ago and not side by side. -- Ron Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Tim, > > As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, > especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be > regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding > deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs > 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic > differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs > needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The > 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency > response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take the > RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot what > in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the aural > differences. > It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX > undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. > If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be > interested in your opinion!. > My two-penneth... > > cheers, > > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > >> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >> known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >> is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >> soliciting input. >> >> I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >> more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >> dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The >> advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a >> third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >> meters over LED segments (call me silly). >> >> So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that >> wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? >> >> -Tim > From terry75115 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 14:28:13 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] What's Special About Nakamichi Recorders ? In-Reply-To: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <538396.79913.qm@web56413.mail.re3.yahoo.com> As a new owner to Nakamichi cassettes recorders, the only one's I'm expose to are the Dragon & RX-505. >From what I've read: the CR-7A is the best sounding Nakamichi the Dragon is the most desireable Nakamichi the RX-505 is the most intertaining to watch Nakamichi made lots of others, and by reading this NAK GROUP, most members have have a lot of the other Nakamichi recorders. What makes the other model special? Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Oct 14 19:28:50 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:28:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Going from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910710140717s2057bf8cnc24872c150d35347@mail.gmail.com> References: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> <17d5ee910710140717s2057bf8cnc24872c150d35347@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110710141028k3beff255p628e25f457249154@mail.gmail.com> I avoid settling for anything less than pure vinyl or tape source wherever possible, but when I'm forced to digitize (usually for portability or backup purposes), I use a Xitel INport (USB box with RCA jacks) and record master with Sony Soundforge. I use this to fix pops and clicks if applicable, then downsample to 44.1 KHz 16-bit WAV file. If I need to mp3 it (lord help us), I use Soundforge's mp3 encoder rather than Lame and encode at 256 kbps. Just my $.02. -Tim From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Oct 14 22:43:19 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Going from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110710141028k3beff255p628e25f457249154@mail.gmail.com> References: <006d01c80e09$99bfaf70$0307a8c0@DR1> <17d5ee910710140717s2057bf8cnc24872c150d35347@mail.gmail.com> <6bddc1110710141028k3beff255p628e25f457249154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910710141343m33d39d37veed0400e52cf9660@mail.gmail.com> Why not use lossless compression like FLAC or WavPack? Same thing as wave, but just smaller on the harddisk. 2007/10/14, Tim Skorick : > I avoid settling for anything less than pure vinyl or tape source > wherever possible, but when I'm forced to digitize (usually for > portability or backup purposes), I use a Xitel INport (USB box with > RCA jacks) and record master with Sony Soundforge. I use this to fix > pops and clicks if applicable, then downsample to 44.1 KHz 16-bit WAV > file. If I need to mp3 it (lord help us), I use Soundforge's mp3 > encoder rather than Lame and encode at 256 kbps. > > Just my $.02. > > -Tim > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 14 23:01:40 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:01:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line In-Reply-To: <956499.39796.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is my opinion, based on the exceptional performance of the ZXLs, that Nakamichi graded their heads based on frequency response and noise. The 680 would have better heads, to enable the 1/2 speed to be musical, than the 660/670. It is safe to assume the ZX-9 has the superior heads as well. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line According to what I understand ( correct me if I am wrong ) the 660/670/680ZX have the same heads/transport system. From the published Nak spec. the 660/670/680ZX has the same frequency response for metal tapes but 680ZX has 2kHz higher at the high end on both Type-I and -II tapes. Now will you hear the difference on this difference, I don't but somebody may. Like somebody point it out over here before, the electronic system ( record and playback amps ) may not be the same and if that is true, it may contribute to what somebody claims that the 680ZX is a baby ZXL. If that is the case, the owners of the 660/670ZX should be happy with what they got ( fraction of the price of a ZXL and very respective playback performance ). I personally consider the 670ZX to be a very musical playback deck even though I own all three models as well as the 682ZX. However, I did believe the 682ZX to have better recording performance among these four though. Mike Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: Martin Short wrote: >> Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX) << Can you say how you heard the 682zx to compare to the 670/680zx? I personally found the 660/680/682zx's -- I haven't heard the 670, 681 or non-zx versions of the line -- to be as a group much warmer than the cr-7a. (I certainly understand some people much prefering the more "precise" sound of the cr-7a, and other 80's Nakamichis, but my ears prefer the earlier late 70's "warm" sound.) I didn't spend much time comparing the different versions of the line, as you have, so I am very interested in your response. One problem I know in such evaluations is that when the differences between the models are that close and now more than 25 years old, its can be hard to factor out the differences in usage/wear/state-of-repair between two different machines. As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. Thanks, Tony ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 14 23:58:35 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:58:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What's Special About Nakamichi Recorders ? In-Reply-To: <538396.79913.qm@web56413.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terry, Take some time and check out the archives. I would say that each one is special! Nakamichi produced decks from the beginning. They established the state of the art in 1974, and advanced engineering in several major steps through 1990 or so. I honestly don't think there is a best or most. The folks on NakTalk generally own several decks and each has reasons that have to do with sound. I think the prettiest is the LX5. More great live recordings were captured on the 550 than any other consumer deck. The ZXLs perform better than most consumer reel to reels. At the bottom of the line, the BX1 outperforms all other 2 head decks! tom brucker Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Terry Houchins Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] What's Special About Nakamichi Recorders ? As a new owner to Nakamichi cassettes recorders, the only one's I'm expose to are the Dragon & RX-505. >From what I've read: the CR-7A is the best sounding Nakamichi the Dragon is the most desireable Nakamichi the RX-505 is the most intertaining to watch Nakamichi made lots of others, and by reading this NAK GROUP, most members have have a lot of the other Nakamichi recorders. What makes the other model special? Terry ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Oct 15 02:11:44 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:11:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL WAS THE FINEST NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK EVER MADE! Message-ID: Terry, I have Nakamichi 1000 ZXL which is considered THE FINEST! and the most expensive at $3800 deck ever made by Nakamichi. The only one more expensive was the 1000ZXL limited with a price tag of more than $6000 but very few of 1000ZXL limited were made, the difference between the 1000ZXL and the 1000ZXL are in the cosmetic only however and not! in the sound. I also have the Dragon , also have most all other Nakamichi cassette deck including the CR 7 , CR 5, RX 505, RX 202, 480, 670ZX, 680ZX , 700XXL, LX 5, BX Series. The only ones that I havent got my hands on yet are the the ZX 9 and the ZX 7. I dont know how much difference in the sound the last two decks will make after owning the 1000zxl . Also have a Revox B 215 and Revox 710 cassette decks. I just love top quality cassette decks! the more motors inside the better!! lol. Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course this is important when playing tapes back on other decks.> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:28:13 -0700> From: terry75115 at yahoo.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] What's Special About Nakamichi Recorders ?> > As a new owner to Nakamichi cassettes recorders, the> only one's I'm expose to are the Dragon & RX-505.> >From what I've read:> the CR-7A is the best sounding Nakamichi> the Dragon is the most desireable Nakamichi> the RX-505 is the most intertaining to watch> > Nakamichi made lots of others, and by reading this NAK> GROUP, most members have have a lot of the other> Nakamichi recorders. > What makes the other model special?> > Terry> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 15 12:33:07 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:33:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD Message-ID: <200710151034.l9FAXD1R030072@zxe.naks.com> I'm with Tim Scorick on this one. I've used standalone CD recorders from Philips and Marantz in the past but they eventually refused to finalize my old 74-minute CDRWs so I recently bought a Xitel INport deluxe to use with my Thinkpad T41. I've copied from analog using the software which comes with the INport but I've also recently tried Audacity, which I've also used to edit the resulting WAV wiles. It's definitely worth using software that lets you record up to a time/megabyte limit so you can leave your recording running if you don't want/need to monitor it. I use LAME 3.96 (final) to create MP3s, because that's what I use with EAC when I rip stuff, but having read Tim's post I think I'll try Soundforge's product. Recordings done straight from my BX-300E via the INport sound very good, as do recordings via my Arcam Alpha 6 amp (using the "extra" tape out jacks Arcam thoughtfully provide). Good luck - let us know which way you go. Chris 9. Re: Going from Nak to CD (Tim Skorick) URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20071013/7a87ab07/attachment-0001.html Message: 9 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:28:50 -0500 From: "Tim Skorick" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Going from Nak to CD To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <6bddc1110710141028k3beff255p628e25f457249154 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I avoid settling for anything less than pure vinyl or tape source wherever possible, but when I'm forced to digitize (usually for portability or backup purposes), I use a Xitel INport (USB box with RCA jacks) and record master with Sony Soundforge. I use this to fix pops and clicks if applicable, then downsample to 44.1 KHz 16-bit WAV file. If I need to mp3 it (lord help us), I use Soundforge's mp3 encoder rather than Lame and encode at 256 kbps. Just my $.02. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Oct 15 12:56:10 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:56:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:ZX-9 heads & Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line References: Message-ID: <00b401c80f19$fee5a100$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Tom, Interestingly this same discussion came up on another forum, so I have pasted the table below with the numbers taken from my own service manuals. The ZX-9 supposedly has the same R & P head kit as the bulk of the classic decks. The performance 'grading' is something I have suspected but never had confirmed, other than anecdotal say-so. The erase head table is a curiosity!! Nakamichi Classic transport 'Head' part numbers: Playback heads: Description Part no Deck P-8LZ GA02101A 1000ZXL P-8LH GA02085A 680ZX ( and by inference 660ZX and 670ZX as well) P-8L & P-8LH GA02034A 481/582/582Z/681ZX/682ZX/LX-5/RX-505/ZX-7/ZX-9 Record Heads: Description Part no Deck R-8LZ GA02102A 1000ZXL R-8LH GA02084A 680ZX R-8L & R-8LH GA01050A 481/582/582Z/681ZX/682ZX/LX-5/RX-505/ZX-7/ZX-9 Erase Heads: Description Part no Deck E-8LH GA02083A 1000ZXL/680ZX/681ZX E-8L GA02017A 481/582/582Z E0K GA02103A 682ZX/LX-5/ZX-7/ZX-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line It is my opinion, based on the exceptional performance of the ZXLs, that Nakamichi graded their heads based on frequency response and noise. The 680 would have better heads, to enable the 1/2 speed to be musical, than the 660/670. It is safe to assume the ZX-9 has the superior heads as well. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line According to what I understand ( correct me if I am wrong ) the 660/670/680ZX have the same heads/transport system. From the published Nak spec. the 660/670/680ZX has the same frequency response for metal tapes but 680ZX has 2kHz higher at the high end on both Type-I and -II tapes. Now will you hear the difference on this difference, I don't but somebody may. Like somebody point it out over here before, the electronic system ( record and playback amps ) may not be the same and if that is true, it may contribute to what somebody claims that the 680ZX is a baby ZXL. If that is the case, the owners of the 660/670ZX should be happy with what they got ( fraction of the price of a ZXL and very respective playback performance ). I personally consider the 670ZX to be a very musical playback deck even though I own all three models as well as the 682ZX. However, I did believe the 682ZX to have better recording performance among these four though. Mike Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: Martin Short wrote: >> Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX) << Can you say how you heard the 682zx to compare to the 670/680zx? I personally found the 660/680/682zx's -- I haven't heard the 670, 681 or non-zx versions of the line -- to be as a group much warmer than the cr-7a. (I certainly understand some people much prefering the more "precise" sound of the cr-7a, and other 80's Nakamichis, but my ears prefer the earlier late 70's "warm" sound.) I didn't spend much time comparing the different versions of the line, as you have, so I am very interested in your response. One problem I know in such evaluations is that when the differences between the models are that close and now more than 25 years old, its can be hard to factor out the differences in usage/wear/state-of-repair between two different machines. As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. Thanks, Tony ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Mon Oct 15 14:02:18 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:02:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD Message-ID: <001401c80f23$3c67d990$6401a8c0@main> I have several Naks plus a computer with Adobe Audition (formerly Cool Edit Pro) and a couple of DAT decks. To go from cassette to CD, I would prefer to go thru the Adobe or Cool Edit and remove any hiss (the program has a noise reduction feature that records a short section of noise alone and subtracts it from the recording). In order of sound preference, I like my CR7A for ease of use (had it repaired and some upgrades done by ESL, but not total refurb), my 682ZX for transport "feel" and Dragon for playback of tapes made in the past that I do not know which machine I used to recorded them. (Since the Dragon self adjusts azimuth during playback I assume it should be better for these tapes.) I now do most live recording on DAT (allows for uninterrupted longer recordings with plenty of headroom without any fear of aging bleed-thru of layers I have found present in my older tapes). I have two Tascam DA-P1 portable, one DA20 and a Sony DAT as well as a tiny Denon portable. The Tascam DA-P1 portables are nice in that they have decent microphone preamps using Phantom power (had my Nak CM-300's upgraded for Phantom by Stephen Sank) so they limit the amount of equipment I need to carry and set up for live recording. For natural sound, I feel it is more microphone placement, my preference is for recording of "room" at a distance rather than close miked, mixed recordings that make a recording sound good. Most commercial multi miked, mixed recordings lack background noise but also lack soundstage and depth. Having several Naks is great for "pride in ownership" and having multiple "toys" Awaiting my ZX7 to return also to play with it but doubt I will get my 600 II repaired due to lack of room for it in my system. I also have two Hi Com units and do want to get one of them fixed for playback of some old recordings I made. Real quiet with Hi Com. The tone generator for calibration is dead right now. Despite the current preference for recording on DAT, I went out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes for the Naks while they are still available and got a new cartridge for the Sota Sapphire urntable. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Oct 15 14:25:03 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:25:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com><019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47122225.7010906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00de01c80f26$69cf0d10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Ron, I went back and revisited these two decks side by side just to make sure, and at least for my decks, the 670ZX is definitely different to my 680ZX. My comparison was using music I know well, both own 'copies' and pre-recorded tapes, played back through the my 610/620. The key differences as perceived were as follows: For LF response, the 680ZX walks all over the 670ZX ( and most other decks for that matter).. very much tighter & deeper. Midrange, the 670ZX is a bit more 'forward', and this is probably one of the reasons I prefer the deck. For HF, the 670ZX is a bit smoother, more subdued, which makes for easier listening over an extended period. The 680ZX can sound 'sharp' and 'jangly' on some music. (I also threw another 680ZX into the comparison, one that I resurrected from a pile of bits obtained recently off Aussy ebay..and that sounds the similar to my original deck, making a deck issue with the 680ZX less likely at least). Could be an 'issue' with my 670ZX I guess, but I like it as it is!! cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > Martin, I wonder if the sonic difference you hear is > not between *your* 670ZX and *your* 680ZX. Both decks > sounded the same to me, though this was a long time > ago and not side by side. > > -- Ron > > > > Martin & Karen Short wrote: >> Tim, >> >> As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, >> especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be >> regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding >> deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs >> 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic >> differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs needle >> on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The 680ZX is >> slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency response,otherwise the >> machines are ostensibly similar. Both take the RM-200 remote. I don't >> have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot what in the circuit >> topography is different and contributes to the aural differences. >> It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX >> undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. >> If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be interested >> in your opinion!. >> My two-penneth... >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >> >> >>> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >>> known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >>> is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >>> soliciting input. >>> >>> I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >>> more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >>> dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The >>> advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a >>> third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >>> meters over LED segments (call me silly). >>> >>> So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that >>> wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? >>> >>> -Tim >> > > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Oct 15 14:59:16 2007 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:59:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD References: <001401c80f23$3c67d990$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <007401c80f2b$31f354a0$0301a8c0@home> Hi Bill Do you have any details on how the 300's were modified for Phantom a this is something I've been wanting to do for a while now?? T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Shenefelt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD I have several Naks plus a computer with Adobe Audition (formerly Cool Edit Pro) and a couple of DAT decks. To go from cassette to CD, I would prefer to go thru the Adobe or Cool Edit and remove any hiss (the program has a noise reduction feature that records a short section of noise alone and subtracts it from the recording). In order of sound preference, I like my CR7A for ease of use (had it repaired and some upgrades done by ESL, but not total refurb), my 682ZX for transport "feel" and Dragon for playback of tapes made in the past that I do not know which machine I used to recorded them. (Since the Dragon self adjusts azimuth during playback I assume it should be better for these tapes.) I now do most live recording on DAT (allows for uninterrupted longer recordings with plenty of headroom without any fear of aging bleed-thru of layers I have found present in my older tapes). I have two Tascam DA-P1 portable, one DA20 and a Sony DAT as well as a tiny Denon portable. The Tascam DA-P1 portables are nice in that they have decent microphone preamps using Phantom power (had my Nak CM-300's upgraded for Phantom by Stephen Sank) so they limit the amount of equipment I need to carry and set up for live recording. For natural sound, I feel it is more microphone placement, my preference is for recording of "room" at a distance rather than close miked, mixed recordings that make a recording sound good. Most commercial multi miked, mixed recordings lack background noise but also lack soundstage and depth. Having several Naks is great for "pride in ownership" and having multiple "toys" Awaiting my ZX7 to return also to play with it but doubt I will get my 600 II repaired due to lack of room for it in my system. I also have two Hi Com units and do want to get one of them fixed for playback of some old recordings I made. Real quiet with Hi Com. The tone generator for calibration is dead right now. Despite the current preference for recording on DAT, I went out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes for the Naks while they are still available and got a new cartridge for the Sota Sapphire urntable. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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The only one more expensive was the 1000ZXL limited with a price tag of more than $6000 but very few of 1000ZXL limited were made, the difference between the 1000ZXL and the 1000ZXL are in the cosmetic only however and not! in the sound. I also have the Dragon , also have most all other Nakamichi cassette deck including the CR 7 , CR 5, RX 505, RX 202, 480, 670ZX, 680ZX , 700XXL, LX 5, BX Series. The only ones that I havent got my hands on yet are the the ZX 9 and the ZX 7. I dont know how much difference in the sound the last two decks will make after owning the 1000zxl . Also have a Revox B 215 and Revox 710 cassette decks. I just love top quality cassette decks! the more motors inside the better!! lol. 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Oct 15 15:24:19 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:24:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line References: <210302880710131038r7e315f6bgaaa0ccad3a857362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e401c80f2e$b1630cf0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Tony, My preference would be for the 670ZX or 680ZX over the 682ZX for playback at least. (All of my 6XX's are playing up in the 'rec' department.. though most worked fine in NZ about 12 months ago! so I cannot verify recording capability). The LF response of the 682ZX is a class below the 680ZX, being quite 'woolly' by comparison, and doesn't have quite the HF resolution either, other than that they are similar and if heard in isolation are both great sounding decks. My 670ZX fits in between I guess, lacks the LF of the 680ZX, and is more forward in the midrange, which gives it a predeliction for vocals that the other two decks don't have, and this is probably why I 'like' this deck. To confuse things further, I fired up my CR-5 as that is reportedly similar to the CR-7 out of curiosity from your comments below, and also my ZX-7, adding that to the fray, along with a 681ZX. Firstly, I couldn't pick between the 681ZX and 682ZX, so that's got that out of the way. The CR-5 can't compete with 680ZX in LF response, and sounds subdued in an A/B deck comparison. However, when doing an A/B with an LP source, the CR-5 doesn't seem to introduce as much colouration or 'warmth' compared to the classic decks, so could be viewed as more true to source. When I first picked up my CR-5 I thought it sounded dull, and it took some prolonged listening to get to the bottom of the differences. Now I think it is a great machine but my 'hankering' is still for the older decks..... I guess I like a bit of warmth/colouration myself. Similarly, the ZX-7 lacks LF weight compared to the 680ZX, but in mid/HF has a resolution and an 'air' reminiscent of the 1000ZXL and is the best of this company in that area. The usage and wear factor is always something I try to take into account, and I like to think that most of my playable Naks are in a reasonable state of repair. I certainly check out all my decks when received and also periodically using calibration tapes and a T-100, so that eliminates playback head azimuth errors out of the equation, and I think I have only ever had to tweak two decks in any case. Unfortunately I am only (very) basically literate when it comes to intepreting circuit diagrams, and haven't a yet obtained a service manual for the 670ZX as yet, so cannot comment on any differences vs the 680ZX, assuming I could spot them in the first place! cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony White" <22op877 at gmail.com> To: ; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:38 AM Subject: Differences in sweetness between 670/680/682/etc line > Martin Short wrote: > >>> Though the 680ZX can be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the > 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding deck after some recent listening trials > (Pioneer CT93 vs 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX) << > > Can you say how you heard the 682zx to compare to the 670/680zx? > > I personally found the 660/680/682zx's -- I haven't heard the 670, 681 > or non-zx versions of the line -- to be as a group much warmer than > the cr-7a. (I certainly understand some people much prefering the > more "precise" sound of the cr-7a, and other 80's Nakamichis, but my > ears prefer the earlier late 70's "warm" sound.) I didn't spend much > time comparing the different versions of the line, as you have, so I > am very interested in your response. > > One problem I know in such evaluations is that when the differences > between the models are that close and now more than 25 years old, its > can be hard to factor out the differences in > usage/wear/state-of-repair between two different machines. > > As you alluded to in your email, the 680zx has slightly higher specs > than the 660/670zx. Yet going from the technology differences as > described in the brochure, it "should" have the same specs, and the > same sound, just different features (RAMM, meters, half-speed,etc). > Whatever causes those spec differences (unless they are just marketing > noise), might also because the sweeter sound that you are hearing. > > Thanks, > Tony > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.5/1058 - Release Date: 10/8/2007 > 4:54 PM > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 15 15:47:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:47:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? In-Reply-To: <00de01c80f26$69cf0d10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com><019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47122225.7010906@rcn.com> <00de01c80f26$69cf0d10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <47136F67.7050403@rcn.com> I wasn't arguing, Martin, just chatting. Also, I wasn't stating facts, just relating an old subjective impression. My feeling was that, if there was any difference at all, it was minute. In any case, I preferred the CR-7, that (to me) sounded most natural, analytical, accurate, dry (pick your favorite descriptive). I haven't heard another deck in a while, but every time I did, I again agreed with my previous decision... Enjoy the music, -- Ron Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I went back and revisited these two decks side by side just to make > sure, and at least for my decks, the 670ZX is definitely different to my > 680ZX. My comparison was using music I know well, both own 'copies' and > pre-recorded tapes, played back through the my 610/620. The key > differences as perceived were as follows: For LF response, the 680ZX > walks all over the 670ZX ( and most other decks for that matter).. very > much tighter & deeper. Midrange, the 670ZX is a bit more 'forward', and > this is probably one of the reasons I prefer the deck. For HF, the > 670ZX is a bit smoother, more subdued, which makes for easier listening > over an extended period. The 680ZX can sound 'sharp' and 'jangly' on > some music. > (I also threw another 680ZX into the comparison, one that I > resurrected from a pile of bits obtained recently off Aussy ebay..and > that sounds the similar to my original deck, making a deck issue with > the 680ZX less likely at least). > Could be an 'issue' with my 670ZX I guess, but I like it as it is!! > > cheers, > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > >> >> Martin, I wonder if the sonic difference you hear is >> not between *your* 670ZX and *your* 680ZX. Both decks >> sounded the same to me, though this was a long time >> ago and not side by side. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Martin & Karen Short wrote: >>> Tim, >>> >>> As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, >>> especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can >>> be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter >>> sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs >>> 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic >>> differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs >>> needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The >>> 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency >>> response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take the >>> RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot >>> what in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the >>> aural differences. >>> It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX >>> undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. >>> If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be >>> interested in your opinion!. >>> My two-penneth... >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >>> >>> >>>> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >>>> known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >>>> is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >>>> soliciting input. >>>> >>>> I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >>>> more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >>>> dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The >>>> advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a >>>> third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >>>> meters over LED segments (call me silly). >>>> >>>> So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that >>>> wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? >>>> >>>> -Tim From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Oct 15 17:22:17 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:22:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL WAS THE FINEST NAKAMICHI CASSETTE DECK EVER MADE! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 6:26:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: I agree with your statement that the 1000ZXL/Limited are the two finest cassette decks that Nakamichi ever made. I feel very fortunate to own one as well ( even though it is not working right now ). However, for playback a pre-recorded tape made by another deck, I still prefer the DRAGON more ( IMHO ). I often use my MR-1B for playback of pre-recorded commercial tapes, as it has the IEC-2 standard eq which the tapes were recorded with. The difference is audible. Some commercial tapes sound shrill on my numerous Nak decks, but sound normal only on the MR-1B. The azimuth adjustment of the Dragon is nice, but the Dragon has the IEC-1 standard, and I can hear the difference. I have a Dragon to compare the MR-1B to, BTW. My own personal favorites are the 680 (not ZX) and my ESL rebuilt ZX-7 for all the sonic reasons other people have already mentioned, but I still think the best performance for the least money is the BX-300 - especially since I got one which only needed a tape tension belt off eBay for $51. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Mon Oct 15 18:25:35 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:25:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior Message-ID: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 16:51:04 2007 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (sam's mail) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:51:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 common issues Message-ID: <1cc47db60710150751x1c09e30fwe75caf53719f1946@mail.gmail.com> greetings, about to inspect a near mint zx-7 locally up for sale. what common problems should i look for? claims to have been in storage for last 17yrs with 30hrs total use. thanks, samuel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Oct 15 19:12:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:12:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 common issues Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dieseldude1 at gmail.com writes: about to inspect a near mint zx-7 locally up for sale. what common problems should i look for? claims to have been in storage for last 17yrs with 30hrs total use. Decks which have been in storage for a long time have belts which dry out in a fixed position. You'll at least have to change the belts, with the cam belt being the first to change as it may cause obvious problems. JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Oct 15 19:14:31 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - _http://www.nakamichi.us/_ (http://www.nakamichi.us/) J W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifibymcintosh at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 02:29:35 2007 From: hifibymcintosh at yahoo.com (D B) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems Message-ID: <339004.73638.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Well my beloved Nakamichi CR 5 cassette door will not open and all the lights on the key pad are all lit at the same time. Heres what happened : I was listening to a tape ( Nakamichi Type IV Metal ) when all of a sudden the tape stopped. I hit the play button and the CR 5 started. Five minutes later I hear this buzz noise from my speakers, the Nak stopped playing and all the key pad lights are lit. I tried to open the cassette door but no luck, will not open. I turned off the Nak waited 10 minutes and turn the deck on and the problem still persists. What could be wrong ? I have a feeling this is not going to be cheap to repair. My CR 5 is in MINT condition so I want to repair it but I won't know when. Short of cash right now. I did contact Electronic Service Labs in CT. a few months ago to get some info on what it would cost to have them look @ the CR 5 to see if any repairs might be needed. Well to my surprise theres a 10 month wait .... Unless I want to get the Nak overhauled for an outrageous price I would only have to wait around a month. Do you have any recommendations of who would repair the Nak. thanks for your time. Dave --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Oct 16 05:33:19 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:33:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems In-Reply-To: <339004.73638.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c80fa5$4ec12380$3201000a@gabrenas> Dave, I can help you out. Contact me off the list. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of D B Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems Well my beloved Nakamichi CR 5 cassette door will not open and all the lights on the key pad are all lit at the same time. Heres what happened : I was listening to a tape ( Nakamichi Type IV Metal ) when all of a sudden the tape  stopped. I hit the play button and the CR 5 started. Five minutes later I hear this buzz noise from my speakers, the Nak stopped playing and all the key pad lights are lit. I tried to open the cassette door but no luck, will not open. I turned off the Nak waited 10 minutes and turn the deck on and the problem still persists. What could be wrong ? I have a feeling this is not going to be cheap to repair. My CR 5 is in MINT condition so I want to repair it but I won't know when. Short of cash right now. I did contact Electronic Service Labs in CT. a few months ago to get some info on what it would cost to have them look @ the CR 5 to see if any repairs might be needed. Well to my surprise theres a 10 month wait .... Unless I want to get the Nak overhauled for an outrageous price I would only have to wait around a month. Do you have any recommendations of who would repair the Nak. thanks for your time. Dave Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 02:36:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:36:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages Message-ID: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Why are there so many dead links on the naktalk wiki pages? Several times I have tried to download something that has a link, but when I click on it to download it, it tells me that the file isn't there. I am looking for the service manual for a BX-125, amongst other things. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 03:37:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:37:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How Many Times.... Message-ID: <101620070137.25017.471415F200033ACA000061B922165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ....am I gonna see this SAME EXACT bogus auction????? This must be the fifth time I have seen this photo, this deck, this item description! I'm starting to know this thing better than my own decks! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-cassette-deck_W0QQitemZ200163447420QQihZ010QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From jrplosay at gci.net Tue Oct 16 07:01:22 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:01:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 Refurbishment Message-ID: <006701c80fb1$98cbcbe0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Hello -- Have two questions about my Nak 480 that I've got running like a top again. First, when the tape is in PLAY and reaches the end, it shuts off but PLAY doesn't kick out. If you flip a tape and close the tape door, it immediately starts in PLAY mode again. Is this normal? Also, the lights for the PLAY and PAUSE functions: are they LEDs or lamps and does anyone know the proper voltage/amperage ratings? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 12:35:45 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FIXED **** Thanks for RX-202 Idler Tire Replacment Help In-Reply-To: <006701c80fb1$98cbcbe0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <909236.52635.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks for the help I got about how to replace the Idler Tire on my RX-202. The FF & RW work great now. The hard part was trying to figure out how to re-install all the hardward that I removed. I couldn't remember how everthing went back together. But now it's working great. Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 13:02:44 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:02:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:ZX-9 heads & Differences in sweetness between Message-ID: <101620071102.15658.47149A540006B2BF00003D2A22155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Martin: I took a look at your table showing the heads found in various Nakamichi decks. If I am reading this table correctly, are you saying, for instance, that a 682ZX may have a playback head that is a P-8L -OR- a P-8LH? Did they install two different heads into a 682ZX during the manufacturing run? Please accept my apologies for being thick-headed here (no pun intended), but I don't quite understand that part of the table that indicates "P-8L & P-8LH" -- two different playback head numbers for a range of decks. *andy* From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Oct 16 13:19:42 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:19:42 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com><019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47122225.7010906@rcn.com><00de01c80f26$69cf0d10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47136F67.7050403@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00a801c80fe6$72f51c20$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Ron, Never took it as an arguement :o).. like you, just an enjoyable discussion, and in my case this is all subjective impression too. You made me think, so I went back and had another listen which confirmed my initial impressions.. nothing like a second 'take'. Though I had owned these decks for a number of years, I had never carried out a side by side comparison until recently. Like you, I would have thought these decks to be closer in sound too, but the difference is quite distinct as described, and the 670ZX quite a pleasant 'listen' for what ever 'technical' reason that may be. FWIW, my two 680ZX's are similar, but not quite exactly the same either, and same applies to a brace of CR-5's that I have.. the higher mileage CR-5 actually sounds slightly better, so given the age of these machines, and their internals, the differences 'now' may be greater due to ageing affects??. as opposed to when new?. If my CR-5's are a guide, as it is years since I have played with a CR-7, I would agree with your comments about this deck. I do find the CR-5 'dry' if you like in comparison to the older machines, but still a great listen. best regards, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > I wasn't arguing, Martin, just chatting. Also, > I wasn't stating facts, just relating an old > subjective impression. My feeling was that, > if there was any difference at all, it was > minute. In any case, I preferred the CR-7, > that (to me) sounded most natural, analytical, > accurate, dry (pick your favorite descriptive). > I haven't heard another deck in a while, but > every time I did, I again agreed with my > previous decision... > > Enjoy the music, > > -- Ron > > > > Martin & Karen Short wrote: >> Hi Ron, >> >> I went back and revisited these two decks side by side just to make sure, >> and at least for my decks, the 670ZX is definitely different to my 680ZX. >> My comparison was using music I know well, both own 'copies' and >> pre-recorded tapes, played back through the my 610/620. The key >> differences as perceived were as follows: For LF response, the 680ZX >> walks all over the 670ZX ( and most other decks for that matter).. very >> much tighter & deeper. Midrange, the 670ZX is a bit more 'forward', and >> this is probably one of the reasons I prefer the deck. For HF, the 670ZX >> is a bit smoother, more subdued, which makes for easier listening over an >> extended period. The 680ZX can sound 'sharp' and 'jangly' on some music. >> (I also threw another 680ZX into the comparison, one that I >> resurrected from a pile of bits obtained recently off Aussy ebay..and >> that sounds the similar to my original deck, making a deck issue with >> the 680ZX less likely at least). >> Could be an 'issue' with my 670ZX I guess, but I like it as it is!! >> >> cheers, >> >> Martin >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >> >> >>> >>> Martin, I wonder if the sonic difference you hear is >>> not between *your* 670ZX and *your* 680ZX. Both decks >>> sounded the same to me, though this was a long time >>> ago and not side by side. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Martin & Karen Short wrote: >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, >>>> especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can be >>>> regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter sounding >>>> deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs >>>> 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic >>>> differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs >>>> needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The >>>> 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency >>>> response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take the >>>> RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so cannot >>>> what in the circuit topography is different and contributes to the >>>> aural differences. >>>> It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX >>>> undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. >>>> If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be >>>> interested in your opinion!. >>>> My two-penneth... >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" >>>> >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM >>>> Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >>>>> known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >>>>> is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >>>>> soliciting input. >>>>> >>>>> I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >>>>> more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >>>>> dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The >>>>> advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a >>>>> third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >>>>> meters over LED segments (call me silly). >>>>> >>>>> So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that >>>>> wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? >>>>> >>>>> -Tim > > From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Tue Oct 16 13:58:38 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:58:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 refurbishment Message-ID: <15708675.1192535918014.JavaMail.root@ps4> Jim, << See my comments quoted like this .>> First, when the tape is in PLAY and reaches the end, it shuts off but PLAY doesn't kick out. If you flip a tape and close the tape door, it immediately starts in PLAY mode again. Is this normal? << YES, this is normal and intended behaviour. >> << SEE: http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/faq4naks_content/FAQ4NAK_480.htm >> Also, the lights for the PLAY and PAUSE functions: are they LEDs or lamps and does anyone know the proper voltage/amperage ratings? << 12 V, 30-50 mA mini-bulps. >> Succes with listening Henk Schenk Netherlands -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 16 14:58:20 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:58:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems In-Reply-To: <339004.73638.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <339004.73638.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4714B56C.3030307@rcn.com> In all probability, the control cam is stuck in an intermediate position, for a reason to be determined. Could be a bad control motor (likely), could be a problem in the logic circuits (less likely), could be something else entirely. To take the tape out, try to remove the cover, turn the deck on, hit STOP and help the control motor to move with a finger (carefully!!!). If the assumption above is correct, it will move to the STOP position, the lights will go out and you will be able to open the door. -- Ron D B wrote: > Well my beloved Nakamichi CR 5 cassette door will not open and all the > lights on the key pad are all lit at the same time. Heres what happened > : I was listening to a tape ( Nakamichi Type IV Metal ) when all of a > sudden the tape stopped. I hit the play button and the CR 5 started. > Five minutes later I hear this buzz noise from my speakers, the Nak > stopped playing and all the key pad lights are lit. I tried to open the > cassette door but no luck, will not open. I turned off the Nak waited 10 > minutes and turn the deck on and the problem still persists. What could > be wrong ? I have a feeling this is not going to be cheap to repair. My > CR 5 is in MINT condition so I want to repair it but I won't know when. > Short of cash right now. I did contact Electronic Service Labs in CT. a > few months ago to get some info on what it would cost to have them look > @ the CR 5 to see if any repairs might be needed. Well to my surprise > theres a 10 month wait .... Unless I want to get the Nak overhauled for > an outrageous price I would only have to wait around a month. Do you > have any recommendations of who would repair the Nak. thanks for your time. > > Dave > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 16 15:03:06 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:03:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Why are there so many dead links on the naktalk wiki pages? Several times I have tried to download something that has a link, but when I click on it to download it, it tells me that the file isn't there. Same thing recently happened to me. It's a shame, the document database could be such a useful resource. -- Ron > I am looking for the service manual for a BX-125, amongst other things. > > Can anyone help me out? > > Thanks in advance, > > > *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 16 15:23:44 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:23:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> References: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4714BB60.8060001@xs4all.nl> Just fixed a broken symlink.. they are there again! Wouter Ron wrote: > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> Why are there so many dead links on the naktalk wiki pages? Several >> times I have tried to download something that has a link, but when I >> click on it to download it, it tells me that the file isn't there. > the document database could be such a useful > resource. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 16 15:20:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:20:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? In-Reply-To: <00a801c80fe6$72f51c20$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <6bddc1110710121347v5bbf581ewbcbfee60a155e477@mail.gmail.com><019401c80d95$47c30330$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47122225.7010906@rcn.com><00de01c80f26$69cf0d10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <47136F67.7050403@rcn.com> <00a801c80fe6$72f51c20$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <4714BA88.4090302@rcn.com> Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Never took it as an arguement :o).. like you, just an enjoyable > discussion, and in my case this is all subjective impression too. You > made me think, so I went back and had another listen which confirmed my > initial impressions.. nothing like a second 'take'. Though I had owned > these decks for a number of years, I had never carried out a side by > side comparison until recently. Like you, I would have thought these > decks to be closer in sound too, but the difference is quite distinct as > described, and the 670ZX quite a pleasant 'listen' for what ever > 'technical' reason that may be. > FWIW, my two 680ZX's are similar, but not quite exactly the same either, > and same applies to a brace of CR-5's that I have.. the higher mileage > CR-5 actually sounds slightly better, so given the age of these > machines, and their internals, the differences 'now' may be greater due > to ageing affects??. as opposed to when new?. I won't be surprised if two (supposedly) identical decks come off the production line sounding (and certainly, measuring) just a bit different. This would be more pronounced in discrete designs, but even op-amp designs contain enough frequency shaping and active components to have slight differences. Add to that different aging patterns (due to different usage patterns) over many years, and sonic differences could be (probably minute, but) audible. OTOH, I recently compared a CR-5 and a CR-7 side by side, intently listening to the same cassettes, and couldn't discern any sonic difference whatsoever. My sound system is pretty good and should bring out any minute difference, yet there were none. Bottom line: the whole thing is statistical. > If my CR-5's are a guide, as it is years since I have played with a > CR-7, I would agree with your comments about this deck. I do find the > CR-5 'dry' Well, personally, I prefer 'accurate' or even 'analytical' to 'dry' :-). -- Ron if you like in comparison to the older machines, but still a > great listen. > > best regards, > > Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? > > >> >> I wasn't arguing, Martin, just chatting. Also, >> I wasn't stating facts, just relating an old >> subjective impression. My feeling was that, >> if there was any difference at all, it was >> minute. In any case, I preferred the CR-7, >> that (to me) sounded most natural, analytical, >> accurate, dry (pick your favorite descriptive). >> I haven't heard another deck in a while, but >> every time I did, I again agreed with my >> previous decision... >> >> Enjoy the music, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Martin & Karen Short wrote: >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> I went back and revisited these two decks side by side just to make >>> sure, and at least for my decks, the 670ZX is definitely different to >>> my 680ZX. My comparison was using music I know well, both own >>> 'copies' and pre-recorded tapes, played back through the my 610/620. >>> The key differences as perceived were as follows: For LF response, >>> the 680ZX walks all over the 670ZX ( and most other decks for that >>> matter).. very much tighter & deeper. Midrange, the 670ZX is a bit >>> more 'forward', and this is probably one of the reasons I prefer the >>> deck. For HF, the 670ZX is a bit smoother, more subdued, which makes >>> for easier listening over an extended period. The 680ZX can sound >>> 'sharp' and 'jangly' on some music. >>> (I also threw another 680ZX into the comparison, one that I >>> resurrected from a pile of bits obtained recently off Aussy ebay..and >>> that sounds the similar to my original deck, making a deck issue with >>> the 680ZX less likely at least). >>> Could be an 'issue' with my 670ZX I guess, but I like it as it is!! >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:05 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Martin, I wonder if the sonic difference you hear is >>>> not between *your* 670ZX and *your* 680ZX. Both decks >>>> sounded the same to me, though this was a long time >>>> ago and not side by side. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Martin & Karen Short wrote: >>>>> Tim, >>>>> >>>>> As an owner of both these machines, I would punt for the 670ZX, >>>>> especially if there are economic advantages!!. Though the 680ZX can >>>>> be regarded as a mini-ZXL, I have found the 670ZX to be a sweeter >>>>> sounding deck after some recent listening trials (Pioneer CT93 vs >>>>> 670ZX/680ZX/682ZX), but that is just my appreciation. The basic >>>>> differences: 680ZX has 1/2 speed capability, nice fluorometers vs >>>>> needle on the 670ZX, and 18 programme RAMM, vs 9 for the 670ZX. The >>>>> 680ZX is slighlty better spec'd on paper for frequency >>>>> response,otherwise the machines are ostensibly similar. Both take >>>>> the RM-200 remote. I don't have a service manual for my 670ZX so >>>>> cannot what in the circuit topography is different and contributes >>>>> to the aural differences. >>>>> It isn't that the 680ZX is over hyped, rather the 660ZX and 670ZX >>>>> undervalued, and thus usually a good bargain. >>>>> If you can get the opportunity to test out both decks?, I'd be >>>>> interested in your opinion!. >>>>> My two-penneth... >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Skorick" >>>>> >>>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] 670ZX or 680ZX? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for >>>>>> known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other >>>>>> is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am >>>>>> soliciting input. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a >>>>>> more modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the >>>>>> dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. >>>>>> The >>>>>> advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output >>>>>> for a >>>>>> third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle >>>>>> meters over LED segments (call me silly). >>>>>> >>>>>> So what do you guys think? Any major differences under the hood that >>>>>> wouldn't show up on the spec sheets? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Tim From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 16 15:56:03 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems In-Reply-To: <339004.73638.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Your control motor is stuck. Last week there was a photo essay on cleaning the motor brushes. Look in our archives. If cleaning doesn't do the trick, than a replacement control motor is what you need. It would help us make service referrals if we knew where in the world you lived! Since you mentioned ESL, I assume you are US based. There are several Naktalkers who repair..Kent, Gabrenas, Herman, Nakdoc and Kannan. Wouter has some referral info on the NAkTalk site. It might be a good time for those of us that do service to get info to Wouter about what types of jobs you can do, and he can expand the listings. We ought to get the name of Canadian and Australian servicers as well. Ben has moved to New Zealand and can offer cap changes there. Bala will work on ZXLs in Singapore. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of D B Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems Well my beloved Nakamichi CR 5 cassette door will not open and all the lights on the key pad are all lit at the same time. Heres what happened : I was listening to a tape ( Nakamichi Type IV Metal ) when all of a sudden the tape stopped. I hit the play button and the CR 5 started. Five minutes later I hear this buzz noise from my speakers, the Nak stopped playing and all the key pad lights are lit. I tried to open the cassette door but no luck, will not open. I turned off the Nak waited 10 minutes and turn the deck on and the problem still persists. What could be wrong ? I have a feeling this is not going to be cheap to repair. My CR 5 is in MINT condition so I want to repair it but I won't know when. Short of cash right now. I did contact Electronic Service Labs in CT. a few months ago to get some info on what it would cost to have them look @ the CR 5 to see if any repairs might be needed. Well to my surprise theres a 10 month wait .... Unless I want to get the Nak overhauled for an outrageous price I would only have to wait around a month. Do you have any recommendations of who would repair the Nak. thanks for your time. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 16 16:42:35 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:42:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR 5 problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4714CDDB.2070907@peromarta.org> Andy's CR7 control motor repair is now here: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Best rgds, LP. hitech at bellsouth.net escribió: > Your control motor is stuck. Last week there was a photo essay on > cleaning the motor brushes. Look in our archives. If cleaning doesn't do > the trick, than a replacement control motor is what you need. > It would help us make service referrals if we knew where in the world > you lived! Since you mentioned ESL, I assume you are US based. There are > several Naktalkers who repair..Kent, Gabrenas, Herman, Nakdoc and > Kannan. Wouter has some referral info on the NAkTalk site. > > It might be a good time for those of us that do service to get info to > Wouter about what types of jobs you can do, and he can expand the > listings. We ought to get the name of Canadian and Australian servicers > as well. Ben has moved to New Zealand and can offer cap changes there. > Bala will work on ZXLs in Singapore. > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > From danbarham at aol.com Wed Oct 17 00:38:15 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: NAK 480 refurbishment Message-ID: <8C9DE5C603E5D2D-A88-86A@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jim, ???? The 480 (and I assume the 480/481/482 variants as well) is a rather unique beast in that the transport controls do not return to stop by themselves, a feature that I find curiously unusual and somewhat annoying. But that is the way they were designed and there is nothing defective about your deck. The lights for play and pause are incandescent lamps rated at 24V 20mA. I think one of the best features about the 480 is that it is a double capstan drive and it is a cheap source of parts for more expensive NAK classic mechanism decks, as I just used my good condition 480 to resurrect my much more valuable 680(non-ZX). Dan Barham Chicago ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Wed Oct 17 00:45:10 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:45:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680 display question Message-ID: <8C9DE5D57D45213-A88-8C9@MBLK-M42.sysops.aol.com> Hi folks, ???? I'm in the process of resurrecting my 680 with?some donated parts from a 480. It's going well for the most part but I have a dead segment in the fluorescent display and was wondering if the only way to fix it is to replace it. Luckily, the segment that is out is the top portion of the second digit in the RAMM counter, so it normally is not on anyway. I measured voltage going to every single pin on the display itself as I first thought it was a cold or loose solder connection but all pins have voltage going to them so I'm thinking it's just a bad display and there's nothing I can do except replace it. Can anyone tell me different? Dan Barham Chicago ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 17 15:11:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:11:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <4714BB60.8060001@xs4all.nl> References: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> <4714BB60.8060001@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <47160A11.7050402@rcn.com> Not as of this morning. I just tried to look at the 480 service manual and got: The requested URL /manuals/service/N480_ServiceManual.pdf was not found on this server. I'll appreciate any advice on how to get the data. TIA, -- Ron Wouter Heijke wrote: > Just fixed a broken symlink.. they are there again! > Wouter > Ron wrote: >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>> Why are there so many dead links on the naktalk wiki pages? Several >>> times I have tried to download something that has a link, but when I >>> click on it to download it, it tells me that the file isn't there. >> the document database could be such a useful >> resource. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 17 15:11:57 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:11:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages Message-ID: <101720071311.15005.47160A1D000BC94100003A9D22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Wouter: The Wiki pages are a bit better, but there are still several broken links. I didn't try all of the links, but I did try the following links, and they were all no good: SERVICE INFORMATION: Recommended Cassette Tapes Important note on cleaning SERVICE MANUALS: BX-300/300E (1st link) Cassette Deck 1 (1st link) Dragon (1st link) MR-2 OWNER'S MANUALS: 582 CR-7E/CR-7/CR-5E/CR-5 - EN/DE/FR version (this one opened, but when I tried to re-open, it was a dead link) ZX-9 OTHER INFORMATION: T-100 Audio Analyzer additional Wattage Scale *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 17 15:32:06 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:32:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <47160A11.7050402@rcn.com> References: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> <4714BB60.8060001@xs4all.nl> <47160A11.7050402@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47160ED6.8050402@xs4all.nl> It was fine but some visitors want do download every single pdf there which slows down everything, including people visiting the websites (noticed myself this morning the site was slow). So i removed the link and will install tonight a dedicated download site that has a limited bandwith so everyone who thinks they need to download everything there is can still do so without bothering others. Will let you guys now when i finished the job. Wouter Ron wrote: > > Not as of this morning. I just tried to look at the 480 service > manual and got: > > The requested URL /manuals/service/N480_ServiceManual.pdf was > not found on this server. > > I'll appreciate any advice on how to get the data. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 17 16:16:45 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:16:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... Message-ID: <101720071416.19832.4716194D000C273000004D7822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I buy a BX-125 off of eBay. The seller says that the deck does "nothing". I'm thinking, "Great, here is a nice parts deck, with plenty of Sankyo transport parts, in case I need them!" I buy the deck, and a few days later, the deck arrives. Actually, the deck DOES power up and does manage to fast-forward (about 4 seconds AFTER you press the FF button), ....but that's it. ...SO LIKE AN IDIOT, I FIXED IT! I couldn't help myself! I got curious and began poking around inside the deck. I did some circuit tracing, and found that a couple of transistors that drive the control motor were burned out. I replaced them, checked some other components for damage, just in case---and BINGO, the deck is as good as new. So now my "parts deck" that does "nothing" is now a fully functional BX-125, and I can't bring myself to start tearing it apart for components!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call me a softy, or call me a pack-rat, but I just think it would be a shame to kill this deck now. It might not be a ZX-9 or 1000ZXL, but it IS a Nakamichi, and it's performance is better than the vast majority of other brands' 2-head decks (and a lot of their 3-head decks as well). Well, hopefully the BX-1 I just scored will be a REAL pile of junk! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME A DECK THAT'S TRULY HOPELESS? STOP ME BEFORE I REPAIR AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH!!! *andy* From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Oct 17 21:53:17 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:53:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Wiki Pages In-Reply-To: <47160ED6.8050402@xs4all.nl> References: <101620070036.13293.4714079E000B1DAE000033ED22155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4714B68A.4010607@rcn.com> <4714BB60.8060001@xs4all.nl> <47160A11.7050402@rcn.com> <47160ED6.8050402@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4716682D.60306@xs4all.nl> It's done! Wouter Wouter Heijke wrote: > > Will let you guys now when i finished the job. > > From dball1 at woh.rr.com Wed Oct 17 23:30:52 2007 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:30:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... In-Reply-To: <101720071416.19832.4716194D000C273000004D7822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy, I've got a 582 you can work on =;-) When through both pinch rollers, and just after I had finished setting the bias and record levels to perfection, it decided to stopped recording. The previous owner did warn me that it had been sitting for quite some time... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... I buy a BX-125 off of eBay. The seller says that the deck does "nothing". I'm thinking, "Great, here is a nice parts deck, with plenty of Sankyo transport parts, in case I need them!" I buy the deck, and a few days later, the deck arrives. Actually, the deck DOES power up and does manage to fast-forward (about 4 seconds AFTER you press the FF button), ....but that's it. ...SO LIKE AN IDIOT, I FIXED IT! I couldn't help myself! I got curious and began poking around inside the deck. I did some circuit tracing, and found that a couple of transistors that drive the control motor were burned out. I replaced them, checked some other components for damage, just in case---and BINGO, the deck is as good as new. So now my "parts deck" that does "nothing" is now a fully functional BX-125, and I can't bring myself to start tearing it apart for components!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call me a softy, or call me a pack-rat, but I just think it would be a shame to kill this deck now. It might not be a ZX-9 or 1000ZXL, but it IS a Nakamichi, and it's performance is better than the vast majority of other brands' 2-head decks (and a lot of their 3-head decks as well). Well, hopefully the BX-1 I just scored will be a REAL pile of junk! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME A DECK THAT'S TRULY HOPELESS? STOP ME BEFORE I REPAIR AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH!!! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 9:38 AM From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Oct 18 02:27:29 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:27:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FINAL UPDATE: My CR-7A LIVES! Message-ID: <101820070027.3678.4716A871000D004C00000E5E22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For those of you who might have been following along with my CR-7A restoration project, here is my happy final(?) update. The last problem that it had was one of the two fusible resistors in the AC circuit for the flourescent meter display had blown. I replaced this resistor with an exact match that I found from a European supplier. Then the OTHER fusible resistor in the circuit blew as well. Good thing I ordered a spare! I replaced the other blown resistor, and now the flourescent display -- as well as the deck itself -- works great. For the past several days, I have been using the CR-7A with no problems at all. A couple of days ago, for the first time since I acquired it, I hooked the CR-7A up to my main stereo system so I could listen to it whilst doing a bit of housecleaning. WOWWWWW!!!! I could NOT believe it. This deck sounds INCREDIBLE! Now I know what all the fuss is about concerning this deck. Absolutely *spectacular* performance. The cassette I played was a recording of Lyle Lovett's fine album "Joshua Judges Ruth", taped on my ZX-7 from a CD. The tape type was a new Maxell XL-II. The CR-7A literally revealed nuances in Lyle's vocals that I had never noticed before. I'm sure that they were always there on the CD, but for some reason, Lyle's voice sounded so much fuller and much more present in the room. The CR-7A was giving me amazing response...truly an EXTREMELY detailed sound. There is a reason why the CR-7A continues to sell for big money on eBay. What an amazing machine! Thanks to everyone who helped me with advice, suggestions, and tips whenever I had questions. I am very grateful! *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Oct 18 07:24:57 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:24:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... In-Reply-To: <101720071416.19832.4716194D000C273000004D7822165384969C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <101720071416.19832.4716194D000C273000004D7822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20071018012318.01914c48@cox.net> Andy, I'll get to busting my Dragon right away!! Anything to help out a fellow Nakster...hehehe! >Well, hopefully the BX-1 I just scored will be a REAL pile of >junk! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME A DECK THAT'S TRULY HOPELESS? > >STOP ME BEFORE I REPAIR AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH!!! > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 09:51:43 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:51:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... Message-ID: HI Andy, It seems you are turning out to be a GREAT! Nakamichi technican! I am sure you can start your own repair shop now fixing Nakamichi cassette decks lol. By the way! is your CR 7 now fixed completely and finally?! 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Best Wishes Soumi From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Oct 18 18:38:59 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:38:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2007 9:29:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: When through both pinch rollers, and just after I had finished setting the bias and record levels to perfection, it decided to stopped recording. For the recording problem, try taking a look at the orange caps in the bias oscillator circuits. Also, removing the pinch rollers and remounting them requires a re-alignment of the heads which must be done with the correct test tapes. This isn't related to your recording problem, but it could affect the performance of your deck. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Thu Oct 18 19:17:32 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:17:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD In-Reply-To: <001401c80f23$3c67d990$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <010001c811aa$c5f41780$0307a8c0@DR1> Thanks for the input, Bill, Going through the archives I found this interesting article referenced by Paul Carrington in his email to Naktalk on 10.06.2006 regarding transfer from tape / vinyl to digital: "CNET has just published a question/answer dealing with the subject. You may find it of interest Barry's winning answer < http://ct.com.com/click?q=48-ggybIdBVydQYyBwC2QJQ1cHa0FNK>, Regards, Paul C" Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bill Shenefelt Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Going from Nak to CD I have several Naks plus a computer with Adobe Audition (formerly Cool Edit Pro) and a couple of DAT decks. To go from cassette to CD, I would prefer to go thru the Adobe or Cool Edit and remove any hiss (the program has a noise reduction feature that records a short section of noise alone and subtracts it from the recording). In order of sound preference, I like my CR7A for ease of use (had it repaired and some upgrades done by ESL, but not total refurb), my 682ZX for transport "feel" and Dragon for playback of tapes made in the past that I do not know which machine I used to recorded them. (Since the Dragon self adjusts azimuth during playback I assume it should be better for these tapes.) I now do most live recording on DAT (allows for uninterrupted longer recordings with plenty of headroom without any fear of aging bleed-thru of layers I have found present in my older tapes). I have two Tascam DA-P1 portable, one DA20 and a Sony DAT as well as a tiny Denon portable. The Tascam DA-P1 portables are nice in that they have decent microphone preamps using Phantom power (had my Nak CM-300's upgraded for Phantom by Stephen Sank) so they limit the amount of equipment I need to carry and set up for live recording. For natural sound, I feel it is more microphone placement, my preference is for recording of "room" at a distance rather than close miked, mixed recordings that make a recording sound good. Most commercial multi miked, mixed recordings lack background noise but also lack soundstage and depth. Having several Naks is great for "pride in ownership" and having multiple "toys" Awaiting my ZX7 to return also to play with it but doubt I will get my 600 II repaired due to lack of room for it in my system. I also have two Hi Com units and do want to get one of them fixed for playback of some old recordings I made. Real quiet with Hi Com. The tone generator for calibration is dead right now. Despite the current preference for recording on DAT, I went out and bought a bunch of blank cassettes for the Naks while they are still available and got a new cartridge for the Sota Sapphire urntable. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu Thu Oct 18 22:03:44 2007 From: Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu (Grover Zinn (imap)) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:03:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes Message-ID: I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) best Grover Grover A. Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Oct 18 23:34:39 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:34:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110710181434t405ad474v3b23cec971805a39@mail.gmail.com> Grover, First off, you have one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time. Sounds very cool in English. As far as Type II (chrome) cassettes go, TDK SA is decent, SA-X is perhaps a bit better in the higher registers. I get better overall responses out of the Maxell tapes that are out there (XL-II are still widely available and XL-II S can be found online at places like batteriesandbutter.com). Of course none of these compare to Type IV (metal) from either company, but those are hard to find at a decent price these days. In any case if quality of sound reproduction is your goal I would recommend 60 minute tapes or 90 if you absolutely have to. The extra five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of sound introduces some negative issues. -Tim On 10/18/07, Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > best > > Grover > > Grover A. Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From thepieboy at comcast.net Fri Oct 19 12:28:45 2007 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:28:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes Message-ID: <101920071028.7764.471886DD00060ECB00001E54221557511497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> "Tim Skorick" wrote: >The extra five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of > sound introduces some negative issues. Tim, I knew the 120 minute cassettes use a thinner base material and are less stable and more prone to mechanical problems as a result. Is this also true of the 100 minute cassettes, or are there other problems you are referring to? My apologies if this information is already well known... Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tim Skorick" > Grover, > > First off, you have one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time. > Sounds very cool in English. > > As far as Type II (chrome) cassettes go, TDK SA is decent, SA-X is > perhaps a bit better in the higher registers. I get better overall > responses out of the Maxell tapes that are out there (XL-II are still > widely available and XL-II S can be found online at places like > batteriesandbutter.com). Of course none of these compare to Type IV > (metal) from either company, but those are hard to find at a decent > price these days. > > In any case if quality of sound reproduction is your goal I would > recommend 60 minute tapes or 90 if you absolutely have to. The extra > five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of > sound introduces some negative issues. > > -Tim > > On 10/18/07, Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > > > best > > > > Grover > > > > Grover A. Zinn > > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > > Oberlin College > > Oberlin, OH 44074 > > 440-775-8866 (department) > > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lelio at sympatico.ca Fri Oct 19 15:56:23 2007 From: lelio at sympatico.ca (Lelio Simonassi Jr) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for organ donor for Dragon In-Reply-To: <200710191001.l9JA16eD013665@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Happy Birethday NAKTALK! Im looking for a Dragon for parts or the following: Find adjustment knobs - 12 ZX button AutoFader plate/cover. I can't believe someone would do this to a helpless dragon. Wow, it must have been some divorce. Thanks all in advance Lee From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Oct 19 18:07:05 2007 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:07:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: <101920071028.7764.471886DD00060ECB00001E54221557511497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3A72E6AB6AC94FF9B28CCC8AEC379E65@GrahamNPC> The instructions I have for the ZX9 advise not to use anything longer than C90. I dare say it's probably okay but I'm not risking it as I did have a different brand of tape (forget which) as C100 and the ZX9 consistently chewed them. The same tapes worked fine in my Pioneer CTS830S. Gra -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of thepieboy at comcast.net Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes "Tim Skorick" wrote: >The extra five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of > sound introduces some negative issues. Tim, I knew the 120 minute cassettes use a thinner base material and are less stable and more prone to mechanical problems as a result. Is this also true of the 100 minute cassettes, or are there other problems you are referring to? My apologies if this information is already well known... Best regards, John Derven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tim Skorick" > Grover, > > First off, you have one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time. > Sounds very cool in English. > > As far as Type II (chrome) cassettes go, TDK SA is decent, SA-X is > perhaps a bit better in the higher registers. I get better overall > responses out of the Maxell tapes that are out there (XL-II are still > widely available and XL-II S can be found online at places like > batteriesandbutter.com). Of course none of these compare to Type IV > (metal) from either company, but those are hard to find at a decent > price these days. > > In any case if quality of sound reproduction is your goal I would > recommend 60 minute tapes or 90 if you absolutely have to. The ex! tra > five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of > sound introduces some negative issues. > > -Tim > > On 10/18/07, Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > > > best > > > > Grover > > > > Grover A. Zinn > > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > > former Associate De! an, Col lege of Arts and Sciences > > Oberlin College > > Oberlin, OH 44074 > > 440-775-8866 (department) > > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www! .naks.c om/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 19 17:43:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:43:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4718D0B9.7080105@rcn.com> For type II tapes, my preference has always been Maxell XL-II, then TDK SA, then the -X formulations of either make (to me, both sound a bit too much on the bright side). That said, you won't really go wrong with the TDK SA. As to longer length tapes - I have never (but *never*) had any problem whatsoever with 100, 110 and even 120 minute tapes, with Nak 700, 582 and, now, CR-7. I've had many long tapes in my collection for years. While Nak does warn about these tapes, my experience is that, as long a Nak deck is well adjusted, it can handle any of these tapes. YMMV. -- Ron Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > best > > Grover > > Grover A. Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 18:45:22 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:45:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: <3A72E6AB6AC94FF9B28CCC8AEC379E65@GrahamNPC> References: <101920071028.7764.471886DD00060ECB00001E54221557511497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> <3A72E6AB6AC94FF9B28CCC8AEC379E65@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <6bddc1110710190945n5f42c8a1p9507634af372f63a@mail.gmail.com> I don't know what state cassette tape manufacturing was in when the ZX9 began manufacture, but a lot of manufacturer's longer tapes had issues with print-through due to the finite amount of space in a cassette shell for tape spool and limitations on the thickness of the base/binder combination imposed by trying to cram longer tape lengths into the same space. When CDs with their 70-minute audio limit became popular and before CD burners were affordable, demand for C-110 cassettes skyrocketed, and a lot of research went into making the base layer suck less. While print-through might not have been a problem with these later cassettes, these same limitations still meant dramatically lower base layer tensile strength and a much thinner layer of whatever ferromagnetic particles in the binder, which meant a perceptibly lower quality in the recorded sound. Even today you'll find a lot of the 100 and 110 minute tapes going for a bit cheaper than the 60 and 90 minute cassettes. I stick with 60-minute Type IV tapes for recordings from audiophile grade material, while I use 90-minute Type II or IV tapes for recordings that just need to be "pretty faithful" to the source. One problem with this is that my 582 is my favorite recording deck by far, but it has no UDAR mechanism, and as you all know a recording from that deck doesn't sound quite right on my RX deck. So I record on C-60 tapes and just get up and flip it when I need to - I needed the exercise anyway :-) -Tim On 10/19/07, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > > The instructions I have for the ZX9 advise not to use anything longer than > C90. I dare say it's probably okay but I'm not risking it as I did have a > different brand of tape (forget which) as C100 and the ZX9 consistently > chewed them. The same tapes worked fine in my Pioneer CTS830S. > Gra > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of thepieboy at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:29 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes > > > "Tim Skorick" wrote: > > >The extra five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 > minutes of > > sound introduces some negative issues. > > Tim, I knew the 120 minute cassettes use a thinner base material and are > less stable and more prone to mechanical problems as a result. Is this also > true of the 100 minute cassettes, or are there other problems you are > referring to? My apologies if this information is already well known... > > Best regards, > John Derven > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Tim Skorick" > > > Grover, > > > > First off, you have one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time. > > Sounds very cool in English. > > > > As far as Type II (chrome) cassettes go, TDK SA is decent, SA-X is > > perhaps a bit better in the higher registers. I get better overall > > responses out of the Maxell tapes that are out there (XL-II are still > > widely available and XL-II S can be found online at places like > > batteriesandbutter.com). Of course none of these compare to Type IV > > (metal) from either company, but those are hard to find at a decent > > price these days. > > > > In any case if quality of sound reproduction is your goal I would > > recommend 60 minute tapes or 90 if you absolutely have to. The ex! tra > > five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of > > sound introduces some negative issues. > > > > -Tim > > > > On 10/18/07, Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > > > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > > > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > > > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > > > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > > > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > > > > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > > > > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > > > > > best > > > > > > Grover > > > > > > Grover A. Zinn > > > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > > > former Associate De! an, Col lege of Arts and Sciences > > > Oberlin College > > > Oberlin, OH 44074 > > > 440-775-8866 (department) > > > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www! .naks.c > om/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr Fri Oct 19 22:24:17 2007 From: j-g.rieffel at wanadoo.fr (Gaston Rieffel) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:24:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cable Preferences In-Reply-To: <8C9D3A3201BB7B5-CB4-3E01@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> References: <100220070331.14808.4701BB83000E3F22000039D822120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8C9D3A3201BB7B5-CB4-3E01@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: For me too, different cables for record and playback Record : LEEDH (antique french starquad, transparent and fast) Playback : ARIANE from FENDER France (more mellow) Regard Le 3 oct. 07, à 09:06, modernizy at netscape.net a écrit : > Nak 700TT - Nordost Blue Heaven (record) + AudioQuest Ruby (playback) > + Wire World Aurora (power), > Nak CR-7 - AudioQuest Lapis x3 (playback) + Nordost Flatline 12 > (record) + XLO Reference Type 10A(power), > Nak ZX-9 - Kimber Kable KCAG (record) + AudioQuest Lapis Hyperlitz > (playback) + Siltech SPX-20 (power). > > + short runs of AudioQuest Ruby to/from Nak NR-200. > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 19 22:30:42 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: <4718D0B9.7080105@rcn.com> Message-ID: <849854.80436.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have never had any trouble with any of these either on any of my Naks. I even have a few old TDK D-180's (yes one-eighty's) that I got out recently to copy a song that played fine on my cassette deck 1. Did not try them on any other decks. The 180's were originally recorded on an old Sony 2 head deck, TC-K3 from the late 70's. Bob Ron wrote: For type II tapes, my preference has always been Maxell XL-II, then TDK SA, then the -X formulations of either make (to me, both sound a bit too much on the bright side). That said, you won't really go wrong with the TDK SA. As to longer length tapes - I have never (but *never*) had any problem whatsoever with 100, 110 and even 120 minute tapes, with Nak 700, 582 and, now, CR-7. I've had many long tapes in my collection for years. While Nak does warn about these tapes, my experience is that, as long a Nak deck is well adjusted, it can handle any of these tapes. YMMV. -- Ron Grover Zinn (imap) wrote: > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) > > best > > Grover > > Grover A. Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Sat Oct 20 05:14:26 2007 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:14:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 670zx v 680zx In-Reply-To: <001501c80da5$425375f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> References: <001501c80da5$425375f0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <210302880710192014k4a7f5379j9e52e8b623426fbe@mail.gmail.com> Robert, The information about the 670zx is very interesting. A few questions: 1. If the 670zx is your favorite playback deck, what is your favorite recording deck? Does a tape sound best on the 670zx when recorded on 670zx, or when recorded on the best recording deck? 2. How much difference in sound can remember hearing before and after the ESL restoration? 3. Have you had any of your decks upgraded (eg, upgrading with newer, better sounding opamps in the signal path, even though the old ones are perfectly reliable) in addition to being restored? Thanks, Tony On 10/13/07, rjkent at comcast.net wrote: > > > > Tim, > > I have a 670zx and a 682zx, both restored by ESL (I also have quite a few > other Naks including a Dragon and a CR-7). Electronically, the 670zx is > closer to the 680zx than is the 682zx, so a comparison to the 682ZX is not > entirely valid, but for me, the 670zx sounds better than the 682zx. Both of > my decks are outstanding performers, but the 670zx has a fuller and more > natural sound. My 670ZX also compares very favorably with the Dragon and > CR-7, and has become my favorite listening deck. As you observed the needle > peak level meters on the 670zx are nice to use, and to look at, with that > classic Nak appearance that is hard to beat. > > > > If the ½ speed is important to you, then the 680zx is the way to go. But > the 670zx is an outstanding performer, and I can recommend it without > reservation. By the way, the 670ZX also can use the RM-200 and RM-580 > remotes. > > > > One last consideration is Dolby...neither the 670ZX nor the 680ZX has Dolby > C......they only have Dolby B. That doesn't bother me, because I use Dolby > B anyway. > > Robert Kent > > > > Tim wrote: > > >I have a pair of purchase opportunities approaching, both are for > > >known-good, tested, and calibrated Naks, one is a 670ZX and the other > > >is a 680ZX. I'm having trouble deciding which I want and am > > >soliciting input. > > > > >I've read detailed descriptions on both, and the 680ZX is simple a > > >More modernized version of the same thing with the additions of the > > >dual speed feature, record mute capability, and a remote control. The > > >advantage of the 670ZX is that it is about the same sound output for a > > >third of the offered price of the 680ZX, and I rather prefer needle > > >meters over LED segments (call me silly). > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Oct 20 08:09:52 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:09:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110710190945n5f42c8a1p9507634af372f63a@mail.gmail.com> References: <101920071028.7764.471886DD00060ECB00001E54221557511497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> <3A72E6AB6AC94FF9B28CCC8AEC379E65@GrahamNPC> <6bddc1110710190945n5f42c8a1p9507634af372f63a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: To my low eruditeness, 100 minutes & 90 minutes at least TDK & Maxell brands had the SAME thickness! Don't hear "ANY "Print-Trough" issues!!! Peace, Alex! > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:45:22 -0500> From: tim.skorick at gmail.com> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes> CC: > > I don't know what state cassette tape manufacturing was in when the> ZX9 began manufacture, but a lot of manufacturer's longer tapes had> issues with print-through due to the finite amount of space in a> cassette shell for tape spool and limitations on the thickness of the> base/binder combination imposed by trying to cram longer tape lengths> into the same space.> > When CDs with their 70-minute audio limit became popular and before CD> burners were affordable, demand for C-110 cassettes skyrocketed, and a> lot of research went into making the base layer suck less. While> print-through might not have been a problem with these later> cassettes, these same limitations still meant dramatically lower base> layer tensile strength and a much thinner layer of whatever> ferromagnetic particles in the binder, which meant a perceptibly lower> quality in the recorded sound.> > Even today you'll find a lot of the 100 and 110 minute tapes going for> a bit cheaper than the 60 and 90 minute cassettes.> > I stick with 60-minute Type IV tapes for recordings from audiophile> grade material, while I use 90-minute Type II or IV tapes for> recordings that just need to be "pretty faithful" to the source. One> problem with this is that my 582 is my favorite recording deck by far,> but it has no UDAR mechanism, and as you all know a recording from> that deck doesn't sound quite right on my RX deck. So I record on C-60> tapes and just get up and flip it when I need to - I needed the> exercise anyway :-)> > -Tim> > On 10/19/07, Graham A Nelson wrote:> >> >> > The instructions I have for the ZX9 advise not to use anything longer than> > C90. I dare say it's probably okay but I'm not risking it as I did have a> > different brand of tape (forget which) as C100 and the ZX9 consistently> > chewed them. The same tapes worked fine in my Pioneer CTS830S.> > Gra> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf> > Of thepieboy at comcast.net> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:29 AM> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes> >> >> > "Tim Skorick" wrote:> >> > >The extra five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100> > minutes of> > > sound introduces some negative issues.> >> > Tim, I knew the 120 minute cassettes use a thinner base material and are> > less stable and more prone to mechanical problems as a result. Is this also> > true of the 100 minute cassettes, or are there other problems you are> > referring to? My apologies if this information is already well known...> >> > Best regards,> > John Derven> >> > -------------- Original message --------------> > From: "Tim Skorick" > >> > > Grover,> > >> > > First off, you have one of the coolest names I've seen in a long time.> > > Sounds very cool in English.> > >> > > As far as Type II (chrome) cassettes go, TDK SA is decent, SA-X is> > > perhaps a bit better in the higher registers. I get better overall> > > responses out of the Maxell tapes that are out there (XL-II are still> > > widely available and XL-II S can be found online at places like> > > batteriesandbutter.com). Of course none of these compare to Type IV> > > (metal) from either company, but those are hard to find at a decent> > > price these days.> > >> > > In any case if quality of sound reproduction is your goal I would> > > recommend 60 minute tapes or 90 if you absolutely have to. The ex! tra> > > five minutes' worth of tape per side required to record 100 minutes of> > > sound introduces some negative issues.> > >> > > -Tim> > >> > > On 10/18/07, Grover Zinn (imap) wrote:> > > > I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently> > > > nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found> > > > some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina.> > > > They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port> > > > Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY.> > > >> > > > Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes??> > > >> > > > Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!)> > > >> > > > best> > > >> > > > Grover> > > >> > > > Grover A. Zinn> > > > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus)> > > > former Associate De! an, Col lege of Arts and Sciences> > > > Oberlin College> > > > Oberlin, OH 44074> > > > 440-775-8866 (department)> > > > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > > > Maintain your account here:> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > > Maintain your account here: http://www! .naks.c> > om/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here:> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Sat Oct 20 15:27:40 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:27:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Oct 20 23:32:55 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:32:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... References: Message-ID: <006901c81360$c700b680$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jeff, I have had to 'unstick' many pinch rollers, and in most cases I have needed to remove the head plate and physically remove the pinch roller assy. I have never had an issue with head alignment upon re-assembly.( checked with Nak calibration tapes and a T-100). Provided the head plate assembly is handled carefully, I just can't see it going out of alignment.. but maybe I have been lucky so far. What is important and very necessary is re-setting the pinch roller guide height and in the early days I used a cut away cassette to do this ( thanks, Ron), though these days I use the Nakamichi guide height setting tool which turns resetting the pinch rollers into a 30 second job. (If anyone ever needed 1 Nakamichi gauge, this is it!!) cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... In a message dated 10/18/2007 9:29:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dball1 at woh.rr.com writes: When through both pinch rollers, and just after I had finished setting the bias and record levels to perfection, it decided to stopped recording. For the recording problem, try taking a look at the orange caps in the bias oscillator circuits. Also, removing the pinch rollers and remounting them requires a re-alignment of the heads which must be done with the correct test tapes. This isn't related to your recording problem, but it could affect the performance of your deck. Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Oct 22 09:28:07 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:28:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/2007 12:07:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, theshorty at bigpond.com writes: I have had to 'unstick' many pinch rollers, and in most cases I have needed to remove the head plate and physically remove the pinch roller assy. I have never had an issue with head alignment upon re-assembly.( checked with Nak calibration tapes and a T-100). Provided the head plate assembly is handled carefully, I just can't see it going out of alignment.. but maybe I have been lucky so far. What is important and very necessary is re-setting the pinch roller guide height and in the early days I used a cut away cassette to do this ( thanks, Ron), though these days I use the Nakamichi guide height setting tool which turns resetting the pinch rollers into a 30 second job. (If anyone ever needed 1 Nakamichi gauge, this is it!!) Hi Martin, Have you tried the WD-40 (or PB Blaster) fix without removing the pinch rollers? You can get the WD-40 to go down the post by getting a drop of it through the spring side, putting the deck on its face, and letting gravity bring it down. I had to do this over and over on one of my 680's, but it worked. No alignment needed. I don't have one of the head guide gauges - Willy Hermann showed me his. I think I said "Hail Swami, we are not worthy." Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 22 12:26:30 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:26:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300 strange behavior Message-ID: <200710221027.l9MAQbNr013707@zxe.naks.com> Jay Malonson said: "what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture" Jay, one thing I found very useful was to clean the fitted tire, the brass pulley and both hubs with some American Recorders Intraclean (S-721H-2) because I couldn't stand the thought of pulling it apart to clean it after a short period. I also found a way of pulling the old tire off without removing the washer or the idler wheel by supporting the idler arm with a toothlick placed between it and the backing plate, I've now used this method on both my BX-300E's successfully. I hope you get yours singing because they really can sound lovely. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 22 15:47:19 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:47:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] off topic Oberlin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Dr. Zinn. I am Oberlin class of '75. BA in Geology. Oberlin is one of the few schools whose graduates have the ability to change directions in life! tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Grover Zinn (imap) Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] advice on TDK tapes I've been a silent reader of the list (my Nak deck is presently nonfunctional, awaiting investigation and work). However, I've found some current TDK SA-90 and SA-100 tapes for sale in South Carolina. They are manufactured (?sold?) by TDK with two addresses, Port Washington, NY, and Garden City, NY. Any advice from the wise ones about these tapes?? Thanks in advance (and for all the good "conversations" on this list!) best Grover Grover A. Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 22 15:59:53 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:59:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reel motor brush cleaning is the next step. If that fails, replace the reel motor. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jay Malonson Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior To: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 22 16:04:50 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:04:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... In-Reply-To: <101720071416.19832.4716194D000C273000004D7822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have a small consignment area for used equipment, and sold a parts deck BX1 I bought for $15 for $90 after an idler replacement and speed set. You just can't loose with any working Nak for $70. You almost do the public a favor when you resell the simple Naks. Didn't we all begin to love Naks this way? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... I buy a BX-125 off of eBay. The seller says that the deck does "nothing". I'm thinking, "Great, here is a nice parts deck, with plenty of Sankyo transport parts, in case I need them!" I buy the deck, and a few days later, the deck arrives. Actually, the deck DOES power up and does manage to fast-forward (about 4 seconds AFTER you press the FF button), ....but that's it. ...SO LIKE AN IDIOT, I FIXED IT! I couldn't help myself! I got curious and began poking around inside the deck. I did some circuit tracing, and found that a couple of transistors that drive the control motor were burned out. I replaced them, checked some other components for damage, just in case---and BINGO, the deck is as good as new. So now my "parts deck" that does "nothing" is now a fully functional BX-125, and I can't bring myself to start tearing it apart for components!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call me a softy, or call me a pack-rat, but I just think it would be a shame to kill this deck now. It might not be a ZX-9 or 1000ZXL, but it IS a Nakamichi, and it's performance is better than the vast majority of other brands' 2-head decks (and a lot of their 3-head decks as well). Well, hopefully the BX-1 I just scored will be a REAL pile of junk! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME A DECK THAT'S TRULY HOPELESS? STOP ME BEFORE I REPAIR AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH!!! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 22 16:28:24 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:28:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior References: Message-ID: <008c01c814b7$ce12fa20$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior To: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. 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I've been an avid user of cassettes for many years, owning models from Denon (DRM-44HX) to Pioneer (CT91a) and a Sony DC2 Pro Walkman and Aiwa's also.The Nak's themselves (of which I've never owned before although lusted after) are all in fine sonic working order, the owner kept them all up to spec and maintained with help from an engineering friend, but, having used them for tape duplication usage they are a bit scratched and battered on their skins, casework mainly, I'll need the odd switch part too. Also the mention of the odd idler wheel. He told me this site was a great place to here from Nak owners with advice and such. We have a Nakamichi distributor here in the UK, Bower and Wilkins but there's no such thing as a free lunch here in the UK and spare parts prices are extortionate. Any forthcoming advice would be much appreciated.My first questions being, how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up more comments soon as I go on. Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Oct 22 19:53:57 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:53:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... Message-ID: <647C89EB-64C1-48CE-9B99-DC60D0A3836E@alumni.caltech.edu> > I buy a BX-125 off of eBay. The seller says that the deck does > "nothing". > > I'm thinking, "Great, here is a nice parts deck, with plenty of > Sankyo transport parts, in case I need them!" > > I buy the deck, and a few days later, the deck arrives. > > Actually, the deck DOES power up and does manage to fast-forward > (about 4 seconds AFTER you press the FF button), ....but that's it. > > ...SO LIKE AN IDIOT, I FIXED IT! I couldn't help myself! I got > curious and began poking around inside the deck. I did some > circuit tracing, and found that a couple of transistors that drive > the control motor were burned out. I replaced them, checked some > other components for damage, just in case---and BINGO, the deck is > as good as new. > > So now my "parts deck" that does "nothing" is now a fully > functional BX-125, and I can't bring myself to start tearing it > apart for components!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Call me a softy, or call me a pack-rat, but I just think it would > be a shame to kill this deck now. It might not be a ZX-9 or > 1000ZXL, but it IS a Nakamichi, and it's performance is better than > the vast majority of other brands' 2-head decks (and a lot of their > 3-head decks as well). > > Well, hopefully the BX-1 I just scored will be a REAL pile of > junk! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE SELL ME A DECK THAT'S TRULY HOPELESS? > > STOP ME BEFORE I REPAIR AGAIN!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH!!! > > You need a nice 1000zxl. It will be worth fixing, but it will be complicated enough to slow you down...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:17:03 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:17:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] YEP 1000 ZXL CAN!! INDEED SLOW THINGS DOWN, I SHOULD KNOW I HAVE ONE!! Message-ID: HI Kby , I cant agree more with you regarding 1000 zxl slowing you down! I should know I am trying to fix mine! I was going to ask andy the same question if he thinks he now tackle a 1000zxl considering he has fixed a CR 7A. I too got confident when I fixed my CR 7A but the 1000zxl is total a different beast! The sheer size of this machine is awesome! considering its only a cassette deck, the number of circuits in this machine is quite amazing!! It looks more like small micro wave open in size then a cassette deck! lol:) Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From famcar at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 22 22:13:06 2007 From: famcar at optusnet.com.au (Blake & Tanya) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:13:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480z crackling issues In-Reply-To: <1412.1193040231@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <200710222017.l9MKHASZ032193@mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au> Thank you very much.! _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kulak at ozemail.com.au Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480z crackling issues try this link. http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_480_service_manual.htm On Sat Oct 20 9:51 , 'Blake & Tanya' sent: Hello everyone IR17;ve just joined Naktalk, I have 2 x 480z and both have crackling issues in the left channel. This occurs only when recording but playback is fine. Apparently it is the polyester caps causing it. Anyone know which ones or where I can download a schematic? I love these decks they are fantasticb& Thanks in advance Blake, Brisbane Australia.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From famcar at optusnet.com.au Mon Oct 22 23:16:20 2007 From: famcar at optusnet.com.au (Blake & Tanya) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200710222120.l9MLKSAK006941@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> Welcome Stephen! 20 Naks, Wow! My wife is concerned and I have just 3. I only have 480 x 1 and 480z x 2.Nothing elaborate..YET _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Ratcliffe Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. Hello all, my name is Stephen from England. I am now the lucky owner of 20 Nakamichi cassette decks, various models ranging from BX125's up to CR3's and I was advised by the seller that this site would be useful for me in my attempts at re-conditioning these decks and restoring them, beit parts or otherwise. I am going to need a few parts and a fair degree of advice too. I've been an avid user of cassettes for many years, owning models from Denon (DRM-44HX) to Pioneer (CT91a) and a Sony DC2 Pro Walkman and Aiwa's also. The Nak's themselves (of which I've never owned before although lusted after) are all in fine sonic working order, the owner kept them all up to spec and maintained with help from an engineering friend, but, having used them for tape duplication usage they are a bit scratched and battered on their skins, casework mainly, I'll need the odd switch part too. Also the mention of the odd idler wheel. He told me this site was a great place to here from Nak owners with advice and such. We have a Nakamichi distributor here in the UK, Bower and Wilkins but there's no such thing as a free lunch here in the UK and spare parts prices are extortionate. Any forthcoming advice would be much appreciated. My first questions being, how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up more comments soon as I go on. Stephen _____ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. Pimp My Live! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigsires at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 00:25:21 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:25:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Determining year of manufacture when the sticker on the back is missing. Message-ID: <5902fb8b0710221525j350f2b98qaeb5ed7fd42115d0@mail.gmail.com> I recently purchased a RX-202 through Ebay and am interested in it's year of manufacture. The little black sticker on the back was missing. There is a serial number however and when I took the cover off to inspect inside, there is another set of numbers inside. Would either of these help determine the age? I am really enjoying learning more and reading about Naks here, this group is a great resource. Thanks, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 03:43:05 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:43:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Another Reason Why Nakamichi Is The Best... Message-ID: <102320070143.26736.471D51A9000710EF0000687022165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ...Nakamichi decks are the best, but I also happen to think that their service manuals are some of the best out there. I have had the misfortune of trying to service other brands of audio equipment, and some of the service manuals I have had to work with were pathetic. Sometimes, the "service manual" consists of little more than the schematic diagram! In the case of a Technics deck that I serviced recently, you had to make up your own mind about the electrical calibrations (PB level, bias, etc). There were absolutely NO indications given about what the acceptable ranges were supposed to be. Another thing: Sure, the schematic is a very important part of the diagnostic process, but there have been times when I would have given anything to have a nice exploded drawing of the unit, like you see in Nakamichi manuals. Sometimes when you are pulling something apart, it's nice to know how it is stuck together! I also find that the circuit board diagrams are an essential resource. When I was trying to find all of the various faults in my CR-7A power supply, I must have looked at that diagram a hundred times. (In fact, I looked at the diagram many more times than I looked at the schematic, although I did refer to that a few times, too.) Looking at the service manual of a Nakamichi deck, it is quite clear that Nakamichi took great pride in their products and were quite fussy about giving a technician ALL of the information needed to make sure the deck would be repaired properly and functioning at the level that Nakamichi intended. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 04:33:33 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:33:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! Message-ID: <102320070233.13045.471D5D7D00014CF8000032F522165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> So I get yet another Nakamichi "parts deck" on eBay. This time it's a BX-1 in excellent cosmetic condition, but in "non-working" condition. I buy this deck for practically NOTHING. It arrives today. I plug it in and switch it on. The PLAY and PAUSE buttons blink back and forth -- a classic symptom of a control motor problem. I blast the leaf switches with DeOxit.....and the @#$% thing works good as new! AAAAAAAUGH! Now I have ANOTHER "parts deck" that is in perfect working order! I'm waiting to find a deck that has been shot at, dropped from a bridge, or maybe even stomped on by an elephant. Maybe then I will have a deck that's so hopeless that I MUST use it for nothing else except JUST PARTS! P.S.: I have always thought that the BX-1 and the BX-2 were two of the best looking Nakamichi decks. I really like the cassette door! *andy* From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 20:24:51 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:24:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior In-Reply-To: <008c01c814b7$ce12fa20$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <008c01c814b7$ce12fa20$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: To clarify my problem, tapes play fine until they get to, and then pass, the halfway point of any given side and then I experience shutdown. The beginning half of each side sounds and plays perfectly, if that helps. The take up winder that fits in the take up wheel spinnie thing of the actual cassette (again with the technical terms) seems to sputter, a reel and a half of tape into the tape well, then the machine goes to stop. From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.comTo: jay at jaymalonson.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorDate: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:28:24 +0100CC: Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. 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URL: From martinferreira at hotmail.com Tue Oct 23 02:24:58 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:24:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7, CR5 ventilation Message-ID: Dear fellow Nakers it s nice to be back after a long absence. I have just acquired a CR5 from ebay last weekend for a mere $250 to add to my collection of a BX-125, BX-150, CR-3 and a CR-7. I've had my CR7 for 14 years now without a single technical breakdown. I purchased the CR5 since I want to share the wear and tear between the cherished CR7 and the equally top quality CR5 . Unlike my CR7 however, the CR-5 doesn t have a ventilation grid on the top left of the cover. It seems some models had it while others didn t. Any clue as to why? Woud one be preferable? Prehaps I could have some vent holes made on the cover.Thanks happy listening Martin F _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From famcar at optusnet.com.au Tue Oct 23 10:17:38 2007 From: famcar at optusnet.com.au (Blake & Tanya) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:17:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Determining year of manufacture when the sticker on theback is missing. In-Reply-To: <5902fb8b0710221525j350f2b98qaeb5ed7fd42115d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200710230821.l9N8Lflg013421@mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au> Craig I sold a brand new one in 1987 if that helps _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sires Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Determining year of manufacture when the sticker on theback is missing. I recently purchased a RX-202 through Ebay and am interested in it's year of manufacture. The little black sticker on the back was missing. There is a serial number however and when I took the cover off to inspect inside, there is another set of numbers inside. Would either of these help determine the age? I am really enjoying learning more and reading about Naks here, this group is a great resource. Thanks, Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at tiscali.nl Tue Oct 23 12:40:44 2007 From: wnn523484 at tiscali.nl (wnn523484 at tiscali.nl) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX-300 strange behavior Message-ID: <16425961.1193136044919.JavaMail.root@ps2> Jay, I concur with Dave. Most like the reel motor is playing up cause it has not been used. Reviving this motor by cleaning the brushes is not likely to be possible. Cleaning with de-oxid as Dave describes is a possible alternative. Changing the motor (with reel assembly) is another option. A less sure, but easy, option is to leave the deck into REW action without cassette for at least an hour. Squirting deoxid will be a plus during this time. And then try again. It might work, but the problem can re-appear after prolonged period of non use. Keep the Naks alive, Henk Schenk, Netherlands http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify my problem, tapes play fine until they get to, and then pass, the halfway point of any given side and then I experience shutdown. The beginning half of each side sounds and plays perfectly, if that helps. The take up winder that fits in the take up wheel spinnie thing of the actual cassette (again with the technical terms) seems to sputter, a reel and a half of tape into the tape well, then the machine goes to stop. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com To: jay at jaymalonson.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 13:36:27 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:36:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7, CR5 ventilation Message-ID: <102320071136.5091.471DDCBB00047601000013E322165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, MartIn: I think I can answer your question about the CR7 ventilation. The CR-7 has a very large and somewhat complex power supply compared to other decks. There are no less than three voltage-regulating bipolar transistors off to the side, which are all attached to a large heat sink to dissipate the considerable temperatures that these transistors give off when the deck is on. Mounted above the power supply is the logic circuit board. On the extreme left side of this board there is a transistor with its own copper coloured heat sink attached. This transistor is part of the take-up torque circuit, and it too, gets hot. But what gets hottest of all is the large 1-watt fusible resistor mounted next to that transistor. Holy cow, that thing gets hot hot HOT, probably hotter than the power supply voltage regulators. So there is quite a bit of need for ventilation on the CR-7. Lotsa hot stuff in there. *andy* From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Oct 23 13:55:35 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:55:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... References: Message-ID: <00bb01c8156b$9f068df0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Jeff, Yes, I always try every dirty trick in the book first, WD-40, CRC, MEK etc, and it has worked once or twice, but the majority have needed the transport to come out and the head plate off. Spent a week on a 582 once, and tried every bit of alchemy I know of.. to no avail :o). In two cases have found the mounting post rotating and needed to carefully drift that back out and remount.The pivot grease in those cases had 'baked' on very firmly!!, no doubt because a lot of Naks that fell into disuse were poorly stored. Now that I have the alignment gauge, I must admit I no longer hesitate to 'get in to it' as it is so easy to reset the pinch rollers this way. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just My Luck.... In a message dated 10/22/2007 12:07:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, theshorty at bigpond.com writes: I have had to 'unstick' many pinch rollers, and in most cases I have needed to remove the head plate and physically remove the pinch roller assy. I have never had an issue with head alignment upon re-assembly.( checked with Nak calibration tapes and a T-100). Provided the head plate assembly is handled carefully, I just can't see it going out of alignment.. but maybe I have been lucky so far. What is important and very necessary is re-setting the pinch roller guide height and in the early days I used a cut away cassette to do this ( thanks, Ron), though these days I use the Nakamichi guide height setting tool which turns resetting the pinch rollers into a 30 second job. (If anyone ever needed 1 Nakamichi gauge, this is it!!) Hi Martin, Have you tried the WD-40 (or PB Blaster) fix without removing the pinch rollers? You can get the WD-40 to go down the post by getting a drop of it through the spring side, putting the deck on its face, and letting gravity bring it down. I had to do this over and over on one of my 680's, but it worked. No alignment needed. I don't have one of the head guide gauges - Willy Hermann showed me his. I think I said "Hail Swami, we are not worthy." Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Oct 23 14:24:43 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:24:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR7, CR5 ventilation References: Message-ID: <014801c8156f$b101fdb0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Martin, I have two CR-5's, one with ventilation holes, the other is a plain case.. The CR-5/7 brochure shows no ventilation holes, so perhaps these were a later addition. If the decks are not going to be subject to heavy usage, I can't see it being a problem not having them... and keeps the dust out... Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: martinferreira at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7, CR5 ventilation Dear fellow Nakers it s nice to be back after a long absence. I have just acquired a CR5 from ebay last weekend for a mere $250 to add to my collection of a BX-125, BX-150, CR-3 and a CR-7. I've had my CR7 for 14 years now without a single technical breakdown. I purchased the CR5 since I want to share the wear and tear between the cherished CR7 and the equally top quality CR5 . Unlike my CR7 however, the CR-5 doesn t have a ventilation grid on the top left of the cover. It seems some models had it while others didn t. Any clue as to why? Woud one be preferable? Prehaps I could have some vent holes made on the cover.Thanks happy listening Martin F ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 23 14:35:59 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR5 issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <418990.94599.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, My CR5 just decided to quit. When the power is turned on the stop light blinks like normal but for a shorter period of time then the stop, FF, pause lights light up and the REW lights up with about half the intensity. The deck will FF and REW but that's it. During this FF and REW the lights do not light up normally. Any ideas? Thanks, Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 23 14:40:56 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:40:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7, CR5 ventilation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471DEBD8.4000408@rcn.com> martinferreira at hotmail.com wrote: > Dear fellow Nakers > it s nice to be back after a long absence. > > I have just acquired a CR5 from ebay last weekend for a mere $250 to add > to my collection of a BX-125, BX-150, CR-3 and a CR-7. > > I've had my CR7 for 14 years now without a single technical breakdown. I > purchased the CR5 since I want to share the wear and tear between the > cherished CR7 and the equally top quality CR5 . > > Unlike my CR7 however, the CR-5 doesn t have a ventilation grid on the > top left of the cover. It seems some models had it while others didn t. > Any clue as to why? Woud one be preferable? Prehaps I could have some > vent holes made on the cover.Thanks > happy listening > Martin F > My CR-7 does not have ventilations holes on the top cover. IIRC, neither did the CR-5 I sold a couple of months ago. I don't recall either of these ever getting unduly warm during long periods of operation. In theory, having ventilation holes would be better, even when not necessary. OTOH, since they do seem unnecessary in this case, I wouldn't worry about it. I certainly would *not* mutilate the cover. -- Ron From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 23 14:57:45 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:57:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! In-Reply-To: <102320070233.13045.471D5D7D00014CF8000032F522165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <102320070233.13045.471D5D7D00014CF8000032F522165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <471DEFC9.5050608@yahoo.ca> Be happy, my first Nak still doesn't work well, I got it in 2005 or 2006. Let's say I didn't work too much on trying to fix the problem. First, it was the cam motor. Then, it was eating tapes, it was the drive motor. Then, it started damaging tapes by pushing tapes on one side and the other. (Only BASF normal really got damaged) the last time I tried it, it had no problems. Adjusting the torque probably solved the problem. Now, I still have to get the azimuth and bias adjusted, while I have recording dropouts associated to orange caps disease. Note that I bought this unit "just serviced" for $80 + $40 shipping, it worked well for three hours. I then bought an other BX-2 for $35, after an idler change, it works fine! It looks like we have to buy units that were "just repaired" in small unknown places. Maybe these cases are so desperate that people end up selling them... (The problem is that they cost more) hwbosshoss at comcast.net a écrit : > So I get yet another Nakamichi "parts deck" on eBay. This time it's a BX-1 in excellent cosmetic condition, but in "non-working" condition. I buy this deck for practically NOTHING. > > It arrives today. I plug it in and switch it on. The PLAY and PAUSE buttons blink back and forth -- a classic symptom of a control motor problem. > > I blast the leaf switches with DeOxit.....and the @#$% thing works good as new! AAAAAAAUGH! > > Now I have ANOTHER "parts deck" that is in perfect working order! > > I'm waiting to find a deck that has been shot at, dropped from a bridge, or maybe even stomped on by an elephant. > > Maybe then I will have a deck that's so hopeless that I MUST use it for nothing else except JUST PARTS! > > P.S.: I have always thought that the BX-1 and the BX-2 were two of the best looking Nakamichi decks. I really like the cassette door! > > > *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 15:42:14 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:42:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! In-Reply-To: <102320070233.13045.471D5D7D00014CF8000032F522165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have a few 2 head parts decks donated by Jeff Whittier to NakTalk. Let me know what specific part you need and I will see if we have it. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! So I get yet another Nakamichi "parts deck" on eBay. This time it's a BX-1 in excellent cosmetic condition, but in "non-working" condition. I buy this deck for practically NOTHING. It arrives today. I plug it in and switch it on. The PLAY and PAUSE buttons blink back and forth -- a classic symptom of a control motor problem. I blast the leaf switches with DeOxit.....and the @#$% thing works good as new! AAAAAAAUGH! Now I have ANOTHER "parts deck" that is in perfect working order! I'm waiting to find a deck that has been shot at, dropped from a bridge, or maybe even stomped on by an elephant. Maybe then I will have a deck that's so hopeless that I MUST use it for nothing else except JUST PARTS! P.S.: I have always thought that the BX-1 and the BX-2 were two of the best looking Nakamichi decks. I really like the cassette door! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Oct 23 18:00:22 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:00:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/2007 8:54:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: Be happy, my first Nak still doesn't work well, I got it in 2005 or 2006. Let's say I didn't work too much on trying to fix the problem. ...... Note that I bought this unit "just serviced" for $80 + $40 shipping, it worked well for three hours. I then bought an other BX-2 for $35, after an idler change, it works fine! It looks like we have to buy units that were "just repaired" in small unknown places. Maybe these cases are so desperate that people end up selling them... They were probably repaired by somebody on Naktalk. Haha JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 22:26:04 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:26:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! In-Reply-To: <471DEFC9.5050608@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I have seen many Nak idler problems "repaired " by scratching the brass motor pulley. This is bad. It increases torque, and makes the take up uneven. Perhaps that is what ails your first Nak? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! Be happy, my first Nak still doesn't work well, I got it in 2005 or 2006. Let's say I didn't work too much on trying to fix the problem. First, it was the cam motor. Then, it was eating tapes, it was the drive motor. Then, it started damaging tapes by pushing tapes on one side and the other. (Only BASF normal really got damaged) the last time I tried it, it had no problems. Adjusting the torque probably solved the problem. Now, I still have to get the azimuth and bias adjusted, while I have recording dropouts associated to orange caps disease. Note that I bought this unit "just serviced" for $80 + $40 shipping, it worked well for three hours. I then bought an other BX-2 for $35, after an idler change, it works fine! It looks like we have to buy units that were "just repaired" in small unknown places. Maybe these cases are so desperate that people end up selling them... (The problem is that they cost more) hwbosshoss at comcast.net a écrit : > So I get yet another Nakamichi "parts deck" on eBay. This time it's a BX-1 in excellent cosmetic condition, but in "non-working" condition. I buy this deck for practically NOTHING. > > It arrives today. I plug it in and switch it on. The PLAY and PAUSE buttons blink back and forth -- a classic symptom of a control motor problem. > > I blast the leaf switches with DeOxit.....and the @#$% thing works good as new! AAAAAAAUGH! > > Now I have ANOTHER "parts deck" that is in perfect working order! > > I'm waiting to find a deck that has been shot at, dropped from a bridge, or maybe even stomped on by an elephant. > > Maybe then I will have a deck that's so hopeless that I MUST use it for nothing else except JUST PARTS! > > P.S.: I have always thought that the BX-1 and the BX-2 were two of the best looking Nakamichi decks. I really like the cassette door! > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From martinferreira at hotmail.com Wed Oct 24 00:00:15 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:00:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. In-Reply-To: <200710222120.l9MLKSAK006941@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> References: <200710222120.l9MLKSAK006941@mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: hi you could buy a CR3 in need of repair and use it for parts. I have one that is being repaired. it must be a control motor problem. I al still waiting for the estimate. However, should it be too expensive to get fixed, i might put it up for sale since i also have a few others( only 5.) Martin F From: famcar at optusnet.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:16:20 +1000 Welcome Stephen! 20 Naks, Wow! My wife is concerned and I have just 3. I only have 480 x 1 and 480z x 2…Nothing elaborate….YET From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Ratcliffe Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. Hello all, my name is Stephen from England. I am now the lucky owner of 20 Nakamichi cassette decks, various models ranging from BX125's up to CR3's and I was advised by the seller that this site would be useful for me in my attempts at re-conditioning these decks and restoring them, beit parts or otherwise. I am going to need a few parts and a fair degree of advice too. I've been an avid user of cassettes for many years, owning models from Denon (DRM-44HX) to Pioneer (CT91a) and a Sony DC2 Pro Walkman and Aiwa's also. The Nak's themselves (of which I've never owned before although lusted after) are all in fine sonic working order, the owner kept them all up to spec and maintained with help from an engineering friend, but, having used them for tape duplication usage they are a bit scratched and battered on their skins, casework mainly, I'll need the odd switch part too. Also the mention of the odd idler wheel. He told me this site was a great place to here from Nak owners with advice and such. We have a Nakamichi distributor here in the UK, Bower and Wilkins but there's no such thing as a free lunch here in the UK and spare parts prices are extortionate. Any forthcoming advice would be much appreciated. My first questions being, how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up more comments soon as I go on. Stephen Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. Pimp My Live! _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Oct 24 07:23:54 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:23:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:05:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, martinferreira at hotmail.com writes: how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up more comments soon as I go on. You can get a lot of parts for the CR-3 from a cheap CR-1 from eBay. I saw one a couple of days ago sell for $28 here in the US including shipping, in what the seller claimed was excellent condition. I'm pretty sure the power buttons are the same. The transports are different, as the CR-3 is a dual-capstan machine and the CR-1 is a single-capstan deck, but even there a lot of the parts are the same, like the often-failing reel motor. For BX model decks, the BX-125 is often a cheap parts source, and has many of the parts for the BX-300. If you get one in good cosmetic condition, you can switch the covers too for your scratched up decks. good luck Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Oct 24 10:02:52 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:02:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Scratched casework Message-ID: Stephen On scratched casework I presume you do not include the front panel but mean the painted metal cover. I found that car polish tidied up one of mine and lasted a good while. David >Message: 8 >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:53:05 +0100 >From: Stephen Ratcliffe >Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed down with 20 Naks. >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >Hello all, my name is Stephen from England. I am now the lucky owner of 20 >Nakamichi cassette decks, various models ranging from BX125's up to CR3's and I was advised by the seller that this site would be useful for me in my >attempts at re-conditioning these decks and restoring them, beit parts or >otherwise. I am going to need a few parts and a fair degree of advice too. I've been an avid user of cassettes for many years, owning models from Denon (DRM-44HX) to Pioneer (CT91a) and a Sony DC2 Pro Walkman and Aiwa's also.The >Nak's themselves (of which I've never owned before although lusted after) are all in fine sonic working order, the owner kept them all up to spec and maintained with help from an engineering friend, but, having used them for >tape duplication usage they are a bit scratched and battered on their skins, casework mainly, I'll need the odd switch part too. Also the mention of the odd idler wheel. He told me this site was a great place to here from Nak owners wit! > h advice and such. We have a Nakamichi distributor here in the UK, Bower and Wilkins but there's no such thing as a free lunch here in the UK and spare parts prices are extortionate. Any forthcoming advice would be much appreciated.My first questions being, how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up more comments soon as I go on. Stephen From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 13:59:18 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 issues Message-ID: <102420071159.15340.471F33960006B9F300003BEC22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Bob: The first thing I always suspect on a deck that exhibits behaviour like what you describe is the control motor mechanism, especially if the deck has a Sankyo tape transport, as yours does. However, since you say that the deck is still partially functional (RW and FF), there could be another problem. Are the RW and FF functions EXACTLY the same as before--if you don't count the dimmed button lights? In other words, when you choose RW or FF, is the deck EXACTLY as reliable and as fast as it used to be, only with dimmed button lights? It is still a possibility that there is dirt or oxidation on the control motor's internal contacts and also on the leaf switches that are activated by the control motor. Go ahead and do the simplest thing first--THOROUGHLY clean the control motor and leaf switches and then see if the problem continues. Here is a link to the step-by-step process, complete with pictures: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Even if the problem continues, this process cannot harm your deck if done carefully and correctly, and will actually help to prevent control motor electrical problems. Let me know if you have any more questions, *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 24 14:35:57 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:35:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471F3C2D.8090707@yahoo.ca> It has gear drive... hitech at bellsouth.net a écrit : > I have seen many Nak idler problems "repaired " by scratching the brass > motor pulley. This is bad. It increases torque, and makes the take up > uneven. Perhaps that is what ails your first Nak? > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:58 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! > > > Be happy, my first Nak still doesn't work well, I got it in 2005 or > 2006. Let's say I didn't work too much on trying to fix the problem. > First, it was the cam motor. Then, it was eating tapes, it was the drive > motor. Then, it started damaging tapes by pushing tapes on one side and > the other. (Only BASF normal really got damaged) the last time I tried > it, it had no problems. Adjusting the torque probably solved the > problem. Now, I still have to get the azimuth and bias adjusted, while I > have recording dropouts associated to orange caps disease. Note that I > bought this unit "just serviced" for $80 + $40 shipping, it worked well > for three hours. I then bought an other BX-2 for $35, after an idler > change, it works fine! It looks like we have to buy units that were > "just repaired" in small unknown places. Maybe these cases are so > desperate that people end up selling them... (The problem is that they > cost more) > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net a écrit : > >> So I get yet another Nakamichi "parts deck" on eBay. This time it's a >> > BX-1 in excellent cosmetic condition, but in "non-working" condition. I buy > this deck for practically NOTHING. > >> It arrives today. I plug it in and switch it on. The PLAY and PAUSE >> > buttons blink back and forth -- a classic symptom of a control motor > problem. > >> I blast the leaf switches with DeOxit.....and the @#$% thing works good as >> > new! AAAAAAAUGH! > >> Now I have ANOTHER "parts deck" that is in perfect working order! >> >> I'm waiting to find a deck that has been shot at, dropped from a bridge, >> > or maybe even stomped on by an elephant. > >> Maybe then I will have a deck that's so hopeless that I MUST use it for >> > nothing else except JUST PARTS! > >> P.S.: I have always thought that the BX-1 and the BX-2 were two of the >> > best looking Nakamichi decks. I really like the cassette door! > >> *andy* >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 24 14:47:16 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:47:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Oh Geez, Another "Parts Deck" That's OK! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910710240547n77a06c7bscdd19521ad104850@mail.gmail.com> Actually not, one wasn't even ever opened at all it seems(The one with the worn idler) and the other was fixed by a service center recommended here. I think they didn't really service it but just tuned things up, from the list of repairs I got with it. They did minor lubrification and alignment. 2007/10/23, Bansijeff at aol.com : > > > In a message dated 10/23/2007 8:54:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: > Be happy, my first Nak still doesn't work well, I got it in 2005 or > 2006. Let's say I didn't work too much on trying to fix the problem. > ...... Note that I bought this unit "just serviced" for $80 + $40 shipping, > it worked well > for three hours. I then bought an other BX-2 for $35, after an idler > change, it works fine! It looks like we have to buy units that were > "just repaired" in small unknown places. Maybe these cases are so > desperate that people end up selling them... > > > They were probably repaired by somebody on Naktalk. Haha > JW > > > ________________________________ > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 24 15:13:23 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Scratched casework In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471F44F3.5060902@rcn.com> I have also found that a coat or two of Rustoleum Satin Black spray paint can dramatically improve appearance. -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > Stephen > > On scratched casework I presume you do not include the front panel but mean > the painted metal cover. I found that car polish tidied up one of mine and > lasted a good while. > > David > > >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:53:05 +0100 >> From: Stephen Ratcliffe >> Subject: [naktalk] hello Nakamichi forum from a guy in the Uk weighed > down with 20 Naks. >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > >> Hello all, my name is Stephen from England. I am now the lucky owner of 20 >> Nakamichi cassette decks, various models ranging from BX125's up to CR3's and I > was advised by the seller that this site would be useful for me in my >attempts > at re-conditioning these decks and restoring them, beit parts or >otherwise. I > am going to need a few parts and a fair degree of advice too. I've been an avid > user of cassettes for many years, owning models from Denon (DRM-44HX) to Pioneer > (CT91a) and a Sony DC2 Pro Walkman and Aiwa's also.The >Nak's themselves (of > which I've never owned before although lusted after) are all in fine sonic > working order, the owner kept them all up to spec and maintained with help from > an engineering friend, but, having used them for >tape duplication usage they > are a bit scratched and battered on their skins, casework mainly, I'll need the > odd switch part too. Also the mention of the odd idler wheel. He told me this > site was a great place to here from Nak owners wit! >> h advice and such. We have a Nakamichi distributor here in the UK, Bower and > Wilkins but there's no such thing as a free lunch here in the UK and spare parts > prices are extortionate. Any forthcoming advice would be much appreciated.My > first questions being, how can I order spare exterior switch parts, such as a > Power button for a CR3, also, is there any good way I can restore the scratched > casework on the decks. Thankyou all that read and respond. I will be posting up > more comments soon as I go on. > > > > Stephen From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 18:09:36 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:09:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR5 issues Message-ID: <102420071609.13309.471F6E40000620E0000033FD22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Bob: Don't worry, you aren't losing your CR5. It's just a bit dirty. But even if the cleaning process doesn't help, it is still most likely a minor fault. I recently had a BX-125 on my workbench that seemed to have control motor problems. I cleaned the control motor mechanism, which helped a little bit, but the deck still couldn't do anything but fast-forward. It turned out that a couple of the transistors that drive the control motor were burned out. I replaced them, and the deck is now as good as new. In my experience, the only truly serious "tragedy" I've ever had to deal with was the loss of a logic IC in my BX-300. These IC's were custom-programmed for Nakamichi and are NOT available off the shelf. Still, all I had to do was find a deck with an equivalent IC--in this case, it was a CR3 parts deck--and my BX-300 was back in action and is still going strong to this day. I don't know what happened to cause that logic IC to go bad, but it was the only time that a truly "non-renewable" part was the problem. Best of luck, and let me know if you have any more questions, *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob Naylor > Thank you Andy! the FF and REW"appear to be normal speed. This happened all of > a sudden with no warnings what so ever. The deck was recording and had been for > appox. half a tape. I stopped it (stop button) then this was the result. The > only button that lights up at half intensity is the REW. The others appear to > be normal brightness. The deck was flawless up until this. I will try the > cleaning and let you know. It'll probably be the weekend before I can get to > it. This has been a very fine sounding deck and I don't want to lose it. > Thanks again! Bob > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Bob: > > The first thing I always suspect on a deck that exhibits behaviour like what you > describe is the control motor mechanism, especially if the deck has a Sankyo > tape transport, as yours does. > > However, since you say that the deck is still partially functional (RW and FF), > there could be another problem. Are the RW and FF functions EXACTLY the same as > before--if you don't count the dimmed button lights? In other words, when you > choose RW or FF, is the deck EXACTLY as reliable and as fast as it used to be, > only with dimmed button lights? > > It is still a possibility that there is dirt or oxidation on the control motor's > internal contacts and also on the leaf switches that are activated by the > control motor. > > Go ahead and do the simplest thing first--THOROUGHLY clean the control motor and > leaf switches and then see if the problem continues. Here is a link to the > step-by-step process, complete with pictures: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Even if the problem continues, this process cannot harm your deck if done > carefully and correctly, and will actually help to prevent control motor > electrical problems. > > Let me know if you have any more questions, > > > *andy* > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <102520071111.16624.472079EF000E3A06000040F022165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom wrote: "I have a few 2 head parts decks donated by Jeff Whittier to NakTalk. Let me know what specific part you need and I will see if we have it." Tom: It's not that I need a specific part right now. I just like to have a deck with a nice selection of transistors, capacitors, resistors, motors, etc. for whatever repairs I may have down the road. I do still need some outer case screws for my T-100. Do you have any of those screws lying in a junk box or maybe on a non-working T-100? Even if you could only spare a couple, that would be great. THANKS for all your help--and I am expecting some repairs very soon, so if I need a part and don't already have it, I'll let you know. *andy* From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu Oct 25 17:51:18 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:51:18 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Message-ID: <4720BB76.3020100@otenet.gr> Greetings to all members I would like to share a problem that i have with my RX 505, which occurred just after servicing the unit and i request your kind inputs to help me sort it out.... if possible. I bought the unit from ebay about 6 months ago and the when arrived i was happy to see it was very "clean" with all functions being OK except only the "rewind" which would not run the tape fast (something similar to an idler tire problem).After some local research, I finally found a person who offered to service the deck here in Greece since he had been working as a technician in Nakamichi service labs here in Athens and after 1996 continued servicing NAKs from his home. He has all the equipment needed for the job and "inherited" a relatively small but useful amount of spare parts along with all the NAK tools and cal. tapes etc... During the service of the deck he changed Cam motor Belt, Capstan Belt, Control Belt, Idler, and the capacitors on the power supply PCB and the Orange Caps with same values. Then he continued with all mechanical adjustments and gear positioning on assy of RS/RN mechanical Assy, and concluded with slide base positioning adjustments. All the above were reported to me by the tech and since i have no technical skills i can't warranty 100% my writings....so please be patient with me and if something is not understood i will ask for his explanation.... if needed ... Coming now to the real problem: When the deck is turned ON and the *eject *button is pushed, in some cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But when i push again the *eject* button then all functions freeze and i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions to start working .....This problem appeared just after the service and the unit is still with the technician who tried hard to resolve the malfunction but has raised hands after a week's trials..... So I am addressing to all knowledgeable folks out there who have probably experienced such strange behavior from a RX 505 or any other Omni-directional NAK....Please help me save this unit from becoming a parts deck! Thanking you all in advance Manos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Oct 25 18:38:31 2007 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:38:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: <4720BB76.3020100@otenet.gr> References: <4720BB76.3020100@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <4720C687.3030104@peromarta.org> Hi Manos, My only input would be to re-cheak and adjust the flipping mechanism, as it may not be reaching it's final position, try VR605, 606 and 607 on Logic PCB. Good luck. LP. Emmanuel Komninos escribió: > Greetings to all members > > I would like to share a problem that i have with my RX 505, which > occurred just after servicing the unit and i request your kind inputs > to help me sort it out.... if possible. > I bought the unit from ebay about 6 months ago and the when arrived i > was happy to see it was very "clean" with all functions being OK except > only the "rewind" which would not run the tape fast (something similar > to an idler tire problem).After some local research, I finally found a > person who offered to service the deck here in Greece since he had > been working as a technician in Nakamichi service labs here in Athens > and after 1996 continued servicing NAKs from his home. He has all the > equipment needed for the job and "inherited" a relatively small but > useful amount of spare parts along with all the NAK tools and cal. tapes > etc... > During the service of the deck he changed Cam motor Belt, Capstan Belt, > Control Belt, Idler, and the capacitors on the power supply PCB and the > Orange Caps with same values. > Then he continued with all mechanical adjustments and gear positioning > on assy of RS/RN mechanical Assy, and concluded with slide base > positioning adjustments. > All the above were reported to me by the tech and since i have no > technical skills i can't warranty 100% my writings....so please be > patient with me and if something is not understood i will ask for his > explanation.... if needed ... > Coming now to the real problem: > When the deck is turned ON and the *eject *button is pushed, in some > cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. .....In some > cases the mechanism will open and close normally and will reverse (using > the reverse button.). Consequently the unit will playback and record and > also will FF & REW just fine...But when i push again the *eject* button > then all functions freeze and i will have to turn Off and back On the > unit for all functions to start working .....This problem appeared > just after the service and the unit is still with the technician who > tried hard to resolve the malfunction but has raised hands after a > week's trials..... > So I am addressing to all knowledgeable folks out there who have > probably experienced such strange behavior from a RX 505 or any other > Omni-directional NAK....Please help me save this unit from becoming a > parts deck! > Thanking you all in advance > Manos > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 26 00:28:53 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:28:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: <4720BB76.3020100@otenet.gr> Message-ID: Try cleaning the potentiometer on the mode cam. If this is dirty the micro looses track of the mechanism's position. If your technician removes the faceplate and monitors cam position during eject, he might see it stop in a strange position. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Emmanuel Komninos Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:51 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Greetings to all members I would like to share a problem that i have with my RX 505, which occurred just after servicing the unit and i request your kind inputs to help me sort it out.... if possible. I bought the unit from ebay about 6 months ago and the when arrived i was happy to see it was very "clean" with all functions being OK except only the "rewind" which would not run the tape fast (something similar to an idler tire problem).After some local research, I finally found a person who offered to service the deck here in Greece since he had been working as a technician in Nakamichi service labs here in Athens and after 1996 continued servicing NAKs from his home. He has all the equipment needed for the job and "inherited" a relatively small but useful amount of spare parts along with all the NAK tools and cal. tapes etc... During the service of the deck he changed Cam motor Belt, Capstan Belt, Control Belt, Idler, and the capacitors on the power supply PCB and the Orange Caps with same values. Then he continued with all mechanical adjustments and gear positioning on assy of RS/RN mechanical Assy, and concluded with slide base positioning adjustments. All the above were reported to me by the tech and since i have no technical skills i can't warranty 100% my writings....so please be patient with me and if something is not understood i will ask for his explanation.... if needed ... Coming now to the real problem: When the deck is turned ON and the eject button is pushed, in some cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But when i push again the eject button then all functions freeze and i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions to start working .....This problem appeared just after the service and the unit is still with the technician who tried hard to resolve the malfunction but has raised hands after a week's trials..... So I am addressing to all knowledgeable folks out there who have probably experienced such strange behavior from a RX 505 or any other Omni-directional NAK....Please help me save this unit from becoming a parts deck! Thanking you all in advance Manos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Oct 26 06:19:10 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 0:19:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? Message-ID: <20071026001910.K7B8C.131898.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> As I read the daily messages, I am often impressed with the knowledge and selfless generosity of resident gurus. In a small way, we all have some degree of knowledge when it comes to Nakamichi cassette decks just by owning one. But we ALL have a deep love and appreciation of music and that leads me to wonder; how musical are you? Amongst the group, I suspect there are musicians ranging from a garage band up to concert hall calibre. I played guitar about 40 years ago and fall into the 'garage' band . What instrument do you play (or have played) and to what level? Were you a professional musician? From martinferreira at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 13:27:27 2007 From: martinferreira at hotmail.com (martinferreira at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:27:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? In-Reply-To: <20071026001910.K7B8C.131898.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> References: <20071026001910.K7B8C.131898.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: I for one used to be a rock and jazz drummer from the early 70s to late 80s, that is until i was on my own in apartment, the band broke up and i had to lug my premier drums and zildjian cymbals in to my flat. Not wanting to return home to the folks who had a huge basement which used to be my studio, and not being able to play at home due to the high decibel level, i switched to my second love - the guitar. now apart from collecting Naks, I also have a collection of 70s gibsons and one 74 fender stratocaster which i can play at any volume in my new humble but bigger flat through my 1965 Fender princeton 15-watt tube amp. i also have a Martin D 28 the best American acoustic guitar ever (made apart from the D45 which was and is Neil young and the gang's ax of choice.) of course i play along with the best musicians through my various Naks like the CR7 and BX 150 and 125 played through my Quad amps. also, I am waiting to receive my CR5 just acquired on Ebay. Happy listening.....and playing. and remeber, if it wasn't for the listeners who love listening to muisc, there would be no purpose for any musician to play. MartinF > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:19:10 -0400 > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? > > As I read the daily messages, I am often impressed with the knowledge and selfless generosity of resident gurus. In a small way, we all have some degree of knowledge when it comes to Nakamichi cassette decks just by owning one. > > But we ALL have a deep love and appreciation of music and that leads me to wonder; how musical are you? > > Amongst the group, I suspect there are musicians ranging from a garage band up to concert hall calibre. > > I played guitar about 40 years ago and fall into the 'garage' band . > > What instrument do you play (or have played) and to what level? > > Were you a professional musician? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 26 14:40:34 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:40:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? In-Reply-To: <20071026001910.K7B8C.131898.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> References: <20071026001910.K7B8C.131898.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <4721E042.9010707@rcn.com> I am a virtuoso on my CD player. -- Ron Roland wrote: > As I read the daily messages, I am often impressed with the knowledge and selfless generosity of resident gurus. In a small way, we all have some degree of knowledge when it comes to Nakamichi cassette decks just by owning one. > > But we ALL have a deep love and appreciation of music and that leads me to wonder; how musical are you? > > Amongst the group, I suspect there are musicians ranging from a garage band up to concert hall calibre. > > I played guitar about 40 years ago and fall into the 'garage' band . > > What instrument do you play (or have played) and to what level? > > Were you a professional musician? From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Oct 26 17:41:00 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:41:00 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47220A8C.9060407@otenet.gr> Hi Tom and Luis I would like to thank you both for your kind inputs. Currently both have been submitted to the tech and during the weekend he will go through and do a re-check on both suggestions...Hope one of them will work out ..... I will keep you informed...On the other hand if none of them resolves the problem what would be your next thought? I know it is not easy to give further suggestions but I am trying to go one step further IOT feed him with some more inputs since the weekend is better for working on my deck undisturbed... Will look forward to receiving any further input you may have.... Manos hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > Try cleaning the potentiometer on the mode cam. If this is dirty the > micro looses track of the mechanism's position. If your technician > removes the faceplate and monitors cam position during eject, he might > see it stop in a strange position. > > tom > > > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]*On Behalf Of *Emmanuel Komninos > *Sent:* Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:51 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! > > Greetings to all members > > I would like to share a problem that i have with my RX 505, which > occurred just after servicing the unit and i request your kind > inputs to help me sort it out.... if possible. > I bought the unit from ebay about 6 months ago and the when > arrived i was happy to see it was very "clean" with all functions > being OK except only the "rewind" which would not run the tape > fast (something similar to an idler tire problem).After some local > research, I finally found a person who offered to service the > deck here in Greece since he had been working as a technician in > Nakamichi service labs here in Athens and after 1996 continued > servicing NAKs from his home. He has all the equipment needed for > the job and "inherited" a relatively small but useful amount of > spare parts along with all the NAK tools and cal. tapes etc... > During the service of the deck he changed Cam motor Belt, Capstan > Belt, Control Belt, Idler, and the capacitors on the power supply > PCB and the Orange Caps with same values. > Then he continued with all mechanical adjustments and gear > positioning on assy of RS/RN mechanical Assy, and concluded with > slide base positioning adjustments. > All the above were reported to me by the tech and since i have no > technical skills i can't warranty 100% my writings....so please be > patient with me and if something is not understood i will ask for > his explanation.... if needed ... > Coming now to the real problem: > When the deck is turned ON and the *eject *button is pushed, in > some cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. > .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and > will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit > will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But > when i push again the *eject* button then all functions freeze and > i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions > to start working .....This problem appeared just after the service > and the unit is still with the technician who tried hard to > resolve the malfunction but has raised hands after a week's > trials..... > So I am addressing to all knowledgeable folks out there who have > probably experienced such strange behavior from a RX 505 or any > other Omni-directional NAK....Please help me save this unit from > becoming a parts deck! > Thanking you all in advance > Manos > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Oct 26 19:08:12 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:08:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/26/2007 12:22:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rjlbjk at cox.net writes: As I read the daily messages, I am often impressed with the knowledge and selfless generosity of resident gurus. In a small way, we all have some degree of knowledge when it comes to Nakamichi cassette decks just by owning one. But we ALL have a deep love and appreciation of music and that leads me to wonder; how musical are you? Amongst the group, I suspect there are musicians ranging from a garage band up to concert hall calibre. I played guitar about 40 years ago and fall into the 'garage' band . What instrument do you play (or have played) and to what level? Were you a professional musician? I teach, play, and make, the North Indian bamboo flute called "bansuri" in the SF bay area. I am the bansuri instructor at the school Bharathi Kalalaya in Fremont, CA. My flutes are used in the orchestras of the Broadway shows, "Tarzan," "Aida," "The Flower Drum Song," "Bombay Dreams," "Miss Saigon," and "The Lion King." I've got a credit for my flutes buried in the listings on the playbill for "The Lion King," which was very generous of Disney. Some of the top flutists of India, including Hari Prasad Chaurasia and Vijay Raghav Rao, have played and recorded on my flutes. I often listen on my Naks to some of these very recordings, performed on flutes I made. I make a living teaching North Indian music to Indians, of whom there are very many here in Silicon Valley. Virtually all of my students are NRI's (non-resident Indians, the Indian government's designation for Indian emigres.) And a few Pakistanis, too. According to the US census, there are about 80,000 South Asians living with 20 miles of my home. There's an Indian restaurant every other block in my neighborhood. I played in one of them 2 nights a week for 13 years. I've retired from restaurant entertainment. I do whatever gigs pop up. A week ago I played at a Hindu temple on the occasion of "Gandhi Peace Prayer Day" which they ask me to do almost every year, as I belonged to a Gandhian group during the Vietnam War. In 2 weeks I have a gig coming up playing at a fundraiser for educational programs in Pakistan (not madrasas) to support the work of Greg Mortenson, author of "Three Cups of Tea," whose non-porfit builds rural schools in the entire Himalayan region. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sat Oct 27 03:10:53 2007 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? Message-ID: <004001c81836$3887bea0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Howdy -- I have a chance at a minty LX-3 deck. This to me is a fairly new number and not one that is frequently mentioned. Besides "Hey, it's a Nak!" does anybody have any experience to give on this deck compared to any others? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Oct 27 14:55:21 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 12:55:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? Message-ID: <102720071255.5955.47233539000B08890000174322155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have been a serious guitarist for over 25 years. I play guitar (electric and acoustic), bass (fretted and fretless), and some keyboards. I can also play some percussion and rudimentary drums if I have to. I have a complete recording studio in my house, that I wired and put together myself. Unfortunately, time constraints prevent me from using my studio the way I would like to use it. Right now, it's just a storage area for a couple of Nakamichi decks at the moment! (A Nak deck sounds GREAT through the studio monitors, by the way!) *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Oct 27 15:16:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:16:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Message-ID: <102720071316.21544.47233A440006F79A0000542822155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Manos: I am always a big fan of checking "the dumb stuff" first. Have you considered the following possibility....please read: I am currently servicing an RX-202. I noticed that when I first received this deck, that it would position the tape OK on the "A" side, but that I had to help the drawer to close fully when the tape went to the "B" side, or the tape would not be in the correct position for the heads to contact it. I kept using and exercising the entire mechanism (Eject, Reverse, Eject, Reverse, etc.), and the mechanism has become much more reliable. Now the drawer and the cassette flip mechanism both work OK, but still not quite as well or as quickly as I would like to see, so I did some further checking. I have noticed that the entire mechanism linkage, which is underneath the drawer, has a LOT of grease on the contact surfaces. There are several parts that move back and forth, slide, or rotate, and ALL of these parts need to move freely in order for the drawer and flip mechanisms to work properly. The grease on this RX-202 is barely slippery enough, and as a result I believe that it is interfering with the smooth and quick operation of the mechanism. Instead of being slippery to the touch, the grease is sticky to the touch -- much like peanut butter. I know that this must be the problem because the mechanism became more smooth and reliable only after I vigorously exercised it. That was the only way that the grease could become even halfway as slippery as it needs to be. If the grease were in good shape, and not too old, I shouldn't have to exercise the mechanism to get it to work. I am certain that this grease has started to solidify and must be replaced. I am going to disassemble the entire drawer and flip assembly and re-grease everything. I'll let you know the results. *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Oct 27 16:51:54 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:51:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2007 2:16:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrplosay at gci.net writes: Howdy -- I have a chance at a minty LX-3 deck. This to me is a fairly new number and not one that is frequently mentioned. Besides "Hey, it's a Nak!" does anybody have any experience to give on this deck compared to any others? The LX-3 is one of the best 2 head Decks Nak ever made, and was the last (along with the RX-303) classic transport dual-capstan 2 head deck. All the 2 head decks made after it had the Sankyo single capstan drive. Looks good too. I've got one, I love it - but the Dolby chip or circuit seems to have gone bad. Any deck of this vintage is probably going to need some kind of work in the not-too-distant future. JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Sat Oct 27 17:15:44 2007 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:15:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9E6C360F87A18-998-2C4A@webmail-me01.sysops.aol.com> Garage band guitarist here. Jeff W, you don't happen to have a mp3 to share of your bansuri do you? I'd love to here how it sounds. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just how musical are you? In a message dated 10/26/2007 12:22:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rjlbjk at cox.net writes: As I read the daily messages, I am often impressed with the knowledge and selfless generosity of resident gurus.? In a small way, we all have some degree of knowledge when it comes to Nakamichi cassette decks just by owning one. But we ALL have a deep love and appreciation of music and that leads me to wonder; how musical are you? Amongst the group, I suspect there are musicians ranging from a garage band up to concert hall calibre. I played guitar about 40 years ago and fall into the 'garage' band . What instrument do you play (or have played) and to what level? Were you a professional musician? ? ? I teach, play, and make, the North Indian bamboo flute called "bansuri" in the SF bay area.? I am the bansuri instructor at the school Bharathi Kalalaya in Fremont, CA. ? My flutes are used in the orchestras of the Broadway shows, "Tarzan,"? "Aida," "The Flower Drum Song," "Bombay Dreams," "Miss Saigon," and "The Lion King."? I've got a credit for my flutes buried in the listings on the playbill for "The Lion King," which was very?generous of Disney.? Some of the top flutists of India, including Hari Prasad Chaurasia and Vijay Raghav Rao, have played and recorded on my flutes.? I often listen on my Naks to some of these very recordings, performed on flutes I made. ? I make a living teaching North Indian music to Indians, of whom there are very many here in Silicon Valley.? Virtually all of my students are NRI's (non-resident Indians, the Indian government's designation for Indian emigres.)? And a few Pakistanis, too.? According to the US census, there are about 80,000 South Asians living with 20 miles of my home.?? There's an Indian restaurant every other block in my neighborhood.? I played in one of them 2 nights a week for 13 years.? I've retired from restaurant entertainment. ? I do whatever gigs pop up.? A week ago I played at a Hindu temple on the occasion of "Gandhi Peace Prayer Day" which they ask me to do almost every year, as I belonged to a Gandhian group during the Vietnam War.? In 2 weeks I have a gig coming up playing at a fundraiser for educational programs in Pakistan (not madrasas) to support the work of Greg Mortenson, author of "Three Cups of Tea," whose non-porfit builds rural schools in the entire Himalayan region.? ? 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URL: From jaymalonson at hotmail.com Sat Oct 27 22:19:17 2007 From: jaymalonson at hotmail.com (Jay Malonson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:19:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior In-Reply-To: <008c01c814b7$ce12fa20$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <008c01c814b7$ce12fa20$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: I'm back up and running. I think it was leaving it on FF for an hour and a half about 3 or four times in 1 with a combo of deoxit and just rechecking to make sure the wheel was seated down in that groove. It's nice to be hearing things I didn't know were there again. I slapped in an XLII of a perfectly recorded Quadrophenia, off of brand new virgin vinyl circa 1989, recorded on a halfway decent TEAC deck, and man oh man. 3 dimensional doesn't begin to describe it. That particular tape always sounded good, I remember making it knowing it was going to sound good, but it's nice to be surprised by an 18 year old cassette. Jay Jay, I concur with Dave. Most like the reel motor is playing up cause it has not been used. Reviving this motor by cleaning the brushes is not likely to be possible. Cleaning with de-oxid as Dave describes is a possible alternative. Changing the motor (with reel assembly) is another option. A less sure, but easy, option is to leave the deck into FF action without cassette for at least an hour. Squirting deoxid will be a plus during this time. And then try again. It might work, but the problem can re-appear after prolonged period of non use. Keep the Naks alive, Henk Schenk, Netherlandshttp://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/ From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.comTo: jay at jaymalonson.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorDate: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:28:24 +0100CC: Jay It sounds like your machine may also be suffering from reel motor fatigue which several doses of Deoxit may alleviate if U are lucky. You apply small squirts through the slots at the rear of the motor to overcome the dead spots that have come about thru non -use. It may take several goes to resolve the issue. This fix has worked for many people in the past & is wekk documented in the Naktalk archives [incl my own with a CR-3, Sankyo nylon geared model] Best of luck dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Malonson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behavior what is my next troubleshooting step if idler tire replacement is only marginally successful? the deck seems to play longer now...but still shuts down about 2 1/2 songs into whatever tape I'm listening to. that washer is pure evil, 75 minutes of frickin torture From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:14:31 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300 strange behaviorTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:05:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaymalonson at hotmail.com writes: New lister here. Been sort of rediscovering my long underappreciated but still decent cassette tape collection from the 80's and 90's with the help of a BX-300 that I picked up at an estate sale for $40. The past two days I've been experiencing some strange shutdowns during playback. Thankfully, there's not any tape eating, the take up reel stops spinning, about a reel and a half is fed up into the take up space and the machine stops. Sorry for the lack of technical knowledge, but like I said I'm new. You probably just need a new idler tire. Take a look at the directions here under "Idler Tire Replacement" - http://www.nakamichi.us/ J W See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Oct 28 08:59:47 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:59:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? References: <004001c81836$3887bea0$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <007701c81938$826be070$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jim, Grab it!!.. whilst the LX's probably don't get seem to much of a mention, and the LX-3 being a 2 header even less so, that is not to say they aren't good decks. The LX-3 and 5 styling ( by Tatsuo Horikoshi) is not to everyone's tastes, but I like them and the wife likes the clean finish!. Soundwise, in the same 'group' as the RX303 and 480Z., have a nice 'full' sound. Basically could be viewed as a 480Z in fancy dress and with logic control, or an RX-303 without the reverse mechanism. Short's rule of Nakamichi acquistion No1: never ever pass on a good one :o) cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Plosay To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? Howdy -- I have a chance at a minty LX-3 deck. This to me is a fairly new number and not one that is frequently mentioned. Besides "Hey, it's a Nak!" does anybody have any experience to give on this deck compared to any others? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Oct 28 14:00:09 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:00:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? Message-ID: <102820071300.13906.472487D9000DE2780000365222165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Martin wrote: "The LX-3 and 5 styling ( by Tatsuo Horikoshi) is not to everyone's tastes, but I like them and the wife likes the clean finish!." Martin: I'm always interested to hear "behind the scenes" trivia like this. How did you find out the name of the styling designer for the LX decks? Do you know the name(s) of the designers for other Nakamichi decks? Hope all is well on your side of the pond, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Oct 28 15:34:19 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:34:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... Message-ID: <102820071434.25740.47249DEB000703860000648C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Boy, decks are really starting to pile up on my workbench! Besides some Nakamichi's, I have a couple of Yamaha decks at the moment. Both of the Yamaha decks have the same belt-related problem. Over the years, their belts did not dry out. Instead, all of the belts have turned into goo. Sticky, horrible, goo that sticks to your hands and will NOT wash off very easily at all. Not even mineral spirits can remove it. It's as if the belts simply melted. The only thing that has any effect on the goo is the isopropyl alcohol that I use to clean tape heads, rollers, etc. This goo is all over the inside of the decks. Really messy. Has anyone ever experienced this with Nakamichi belts? *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Oct 28 16:46:32 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:46:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 Problem Message-ID: Hi Y'all, One of my two 680's is functioning more or less normally, except everything is about 10 DB below where it should be. Sound, tone, and functions are OK, but the meter readings, output, etc, all are about 10 DB's below my other 680 and my 680ZX. Every once in a while, it starts for a second or two at normal level, but then drops 10 DB. At first I thought it was the tape wandering in the tape path or the tape moving away from the heads, but on close inspection, this does not seem to be the case. Anybody have any ideas what would cause such a drop in level? Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Oct 28 19:26:46 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:26:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:11:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Has anyone ever experienced this with Nakamichi belts? I bought a BX-300 on eBay which had a tape tension belt which had turned to goo. It took a long time to clean the area up. After replacing the belt, the deck worked fine and I'm still using it. I think that was the experience that set me off on the vision quest to find good replacement belts. JW ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 28 20:53:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:53:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, I sent Willy Herman a Dolby IC, Did that not work in your LX 3? tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX-3 Tape Deck - Rating and Info? In a message dated 10/27/2007 2:16:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jrplosay at gci.net writes: Howdy -- I have a chance at a minty LX-3 deck. This to me is a fairly new number and not one that is frequently mentioned. Besides "Hey, it's a Nak!" does anybody have any experience to give on this deck compared to any others? The LX-3 is one of the best 2 head Decks Nak ever made, and was the last (along with the RX-303) classic transport dual-capstan 2 head deck. All the 2 head decks made after it had the Sankyo single capstan drive. Looks good too. I've got one, I love it - but the Dolby chip or circuit seems to have gone bad. Any deck of this vintage is probably going to need some kind of work in the not-too-distant future. JW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 28 20:59:07 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:59:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... In-Reply-To: <102820071434.25740.47249DEB000703860000648C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: The goo is non-vulcanized rubber breaking down. Many Japanese companies preferred non-vulcanized rubber for some mysterious reason. I use MEK on the goo. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... Boy, decks are really starting to pile up on my workbench! Besides some Nakamichi's, I have a couple of Yamaha decks at the moment. Both of the Yamaha decks have the same belt-related problem. Over the years, their belts did not dry out. Instead, all of the belts have turned into goo. Sticky, horrible, goo that sticks to your hands and will NOT wash off very easily at all. Not even mineral spirits can remove it. It's as if the belts simply melted. The only thing that has any effect on the goo is the isopropyl alcohol that I use to clean tape heads, rollers, etc. This goo is all over the inside of the decks. Really messy. Has anyone ever experienced this with Nakamichi belts? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Oct 29 00:44:55 2007 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:44:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX A. Azimuth Message-ID: <001d01c819bc$8b018da0$3201000a@gabrenas> This deck is kicking my rear! Has anyone experienced a problem with the play blinking all the time and never switching to calibration mode? The Phase comparator seems to be fine however I suspect some kind of logic problem with IC903. Any input is more than welcome. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Oct 29 11:21:03 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Message-ID: <4725B40F.4060300@otenet.gr> Greetings to all members During the weekend my tech went through all suggested inputs which were kindly advised from Tom Brucker, Luis and Andy unfortunately with no positive results.....The deck still malfunctions same way as it was reported in my first mail.... I begin to think that, maybe, during the service, where all capacitors on the power supply PCB and red caps were changed, something went wrong and resulted to this strange behavior of the deck....Also i wonder if there is a possibility that by changing Cam motor belt , Capstan Belt, Control Belt and idler (not just the tire) could have resulted in these symptoms if (by chance) the belts are not *right* on specs? I am trying to figure out what could have caused such a problem to the deck after service when before that, the only "visible" problem was the REW issue (the unit would not rewind but could fast forward)...... Last night i went through NAK TALK archives (spend more than 3 hours!),but came out with nothing that can help me resolve the problem...There is no similar behavior reported for a RX -505 in the archives since day 1 of Nak talk..... What can be wrong? Could it be a technical problem that occurred during the process of putting back together the unit? Could it be something on the logic PCB? Has anybody experienced such a weird behavior from a UDAR deck? I will have to repeat the symptoms so you will not have to go back my previous emails: When the deck is turned ON and the eject button is pushed, in some cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But when i push again the *eject* button then all functions freeze and i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions to start working .....This problem appeared just after servicing the unit which had no other problem than a very slow rewind ..... Any suggestions are welcomed, i am in a stalemate for more than 20 days now please* help me* put this deck back in order..... Thanking you all in advance Manos From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 29 16:31:53 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... In-Reply-To: <102820071434.25740.47249DEB000703860000648C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <423177.57356.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, nce i had a Teac R to R "X7R" that had a belt turn to goo. BTW that deck was a POS! In theory it was great however it was just a nightmare. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Boy, decks are really starting to pile up on my workbench! Besides some Nakamichi's, I have a couple of Yamaha decks at the moment. Both of the Yamaha decks have the same belt-related problem. Over the years, their belts did not dry out. Instead, all of the belts have turned into goo. Sticky, horrible, goo that sticks to your hands and will NOT wash off very easily at all. Not even mineral spirits can remove it. It's as if the belts simply melted. The only thing that has any effect on the goo is the isopropyl alcohol that I use to clean tape heads, rollers, etc. This goo is all over the inside of the decks. Really messy. Has anyone ever experienced this with Nakamichi belts? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Mon Oct 29 20:13:22 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? Message-ID: While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, I managed to fumble the plastic retaining washer while trying to install it. I can order them from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he wants $3.50 each (and I want two of them, since I have another deck in need of this fix). Anyone have a lead on cheaper sources? From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 29 21:48:13 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:48:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: <4725B40F.4060300@otenet.gr> Message-ID: I believe your cam motor has a dead spot. When you go from play to eject, the cam has to rotate to S (stop) position. What is happening is the reel and capstan drives are switched off (stop mode) but the cam has not rotated to put the mechanism in a position to eject. Motors with dead spots are highly intermittent, but what you describe fits that behavior. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Emmanuel Komninos Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Greetings to all members During the weekend my tech went through all suggested inputs which were kindly advised from Tom Brucker, Luis and Andy unfortunately with no positive results.....The deck still malfunctions same way as it was reported in my first mail.... I begin to think that, maybe, during the service, where all capacitors on the power supply PCB and red caps were changed, something went wrong and resulted to this strange behavior of the deck....Also i wonder if there is a possibility that by changing Cam motor belt , Capstan Belt, Control Belt and idler (not just the tire) could have resulted in these symptoms if (by chance) the belts are not *right* on specs? I am trying to figure out what could have caused such a problem to the deck after service when before that, the only "visible" problem was the REW issue (the unit would not rewind but could fast forward)...... Last night i went through NAK TALK archives (spend more than 3 hours!),but came out with nothing that can help me resolve the problem...There is no similar behavior reported for a RX -505 in the archives since day 1 of Nak talk..... What can be wrong? Could it be a technical problem that occurred during the process of putting back together the unit? Could it be something on the logic PCB? Has anybody experienced such a weird behavior from a UDAR deck? I will have to repeat the symptoms so you will not have to go back my previous emails: When the deck is turned ON and the eject button is pushed, in some cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But when i push again the *eject* button then all functions freeze and i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions to start working .....This problem appeared just after servicing the unit which had no other problem than a very slow rewind ..... Any suggestions are welcomed, i am in a stalemate for more than 20 days now please* help me* put this deck back in order..... Thanking you all in advance Manos ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Oct 29 22:09:53 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:09:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport - capstan end float Message-ID: <6ED9885B-01EB-4C37-8B86-902193EDD5BB@thegreatbear.net> hi - i've just been servicing a 480 I bought recently and noticed one of the capstans had quite a lot of end float - i could move the capstan up and down very easily, to what felt like at least 1mm.. the service manual states you should carefully tighten the nylon screw to the point where no movement is felt and the spring is compressed, then go back half a turn - ( well that's what I think the translation means!) Doing it this way the capstan still has movement. The other capstan has no movement. How important is this movement? Does the spring help to stop this movement? thanks adrian From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 00:02:00 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:02:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A: unpleasant revelations? Message-ID: <6bddc1110710291602i1b7b7815mc9d3455e8d38f3a@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of any under-the-hood head azimuth calibration procedures for the CR-5A? I have this deck on the way but haven't received it yet so I can't eyeball it myself. I have the user manual, but no service manual. The user's guide shows a bias fine tune knob where the PH azimuth knob is on the 7, and only lists azimuth adjustment procedures for the 7. I would expect the 5, not being a low-end Nak, to have at least access to adjust azimuth via the regular screws/cam setup, can anyone verify? -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 00:07:47 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:07:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92900710291607jd9cd6c3g4c4d93f7268bcdcb@mail.gmail.com> Hi John - I have a few in stock and will mail you a couple N/C. $3.50 is robbery! Contact me off the forum to give me your address. Willy Willyherm at gmail.com On 10/29/07, John Berger wrote: > > While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, I managed to fumble > the plastic retaining washer while trying to install it. I can order them > from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he wants $3.50 each (and I > want two of them, since I have another deck in need of this fix). Anyone > have a lead on cheaper sources? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Oct 30 00:09:25 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:09:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47266825.6000204@otenet.gr> Dear Tom, thank you so much for your input, i believe i understand the explanation you give to the specific malfunction and i will feed the technician with that option first thing in the morning (its 1am here in Athens)...In case your guess is correct, is there a way to check the cam motor for dead spots and what -in your opinion - should be the next thing that could be done in such occasion? Have i hit the jackpot or there is still something i can do to save the deck? Is it possible to find a cam motor (new or used) to replace? Or -even better -it is possible to fix the current motor? My best regards to you and beautiful Nashville Manos hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: >I believe your cam motor has a dead spot. When you go from play to eject, >the cam has to rotate to S (stop) position. What is happening is the reel >and capstan drives are switched off (stop mode) but the cam has not rotated >to put the mechanism in a position to eject. Motors with dead spots are >highly intermittent, but what you describe fits that behavior. > >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >615-331-9241 >hitech at bellsouth.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Emmanuel Komninos >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:21 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! > > >Greetings to all members > >During the weekend my tech went through all suggested inputs which were >kindly advised from Tom Brucker, Luis and Andy unfortunately with no >positive results.....The deck still malfunctions same way as it was >reported in my first mail.... >I begin to think that, maybe, during the service, where all capacitors >on the power supply PCB and red caps were changed, something went wrong >and resulted to this strange behavior of the deck....Also i wonder if >there is a possibility that by changing Cam motor belt , Capstan Belt, >Control Belt and idler (not just the tire) could have resulted in these >symptoms if (by chance) the belts are not *right* on specs? I am trying >to figure out what could have caused such a problem to the deck after >service when before that, the only "visible" problem was the REW issue >(the unit would not rewind but could fast forward)...... >Last night i went through NAK TALK archives (spend more than 3 >hours!),but came out with nothing that can help me resolve the >problem...There is no similar behavior reported for a RX -505 in the >archives since day 1 of Nak talk..... >What can be wrong? Could it be a technical problem that occurred during >the process of putting back together the unit? Could it be something on >the logic PCB? Has anybody experienced such a weird behavior from a UDAR >deck? I will have to repeat the symptoms so you will not have to go >back my previous emails: > >When the deck is turned ON and the eject button is pushed, in some >cases the tape mechanism tries to open but it does not.. > .....In some cases the mechanism will open and close normally and >will reverse (using the reverse button.). Consequently the unit > will playback and record and also will FF & REW just fine...But when i >push again the *eject* button then all functions freeze and > i will have to turn Off and back On the unit for all functions to >start working .....This problem appeared just after servicing the unit >which had no other problem than a very slow rewind ..... > >Any suggestions are welcomed, i am in a stalemate for more than 20 days >now please* help me* put this deck back in order..... > >Thanking you all in advance >Manos > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From terry75115 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 01:15:55 2007 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589499.263.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I replaced my idler tire recently and had to remove the retaining washer also. I don't even think it would work if you put it back on. It might if you can get it on without having to make a cut in it like the instructions say. It is so loose, that the tire could easly push it off. What I would do is get a tube of JB Weld and put a very small drop on the tip of the shaft. After 24hrs that tire will never come off. I don't trust those washers once they been removed. Terry --- John Berger wrote: > While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, > I managed to fumble > the plastic retaining washer while trying to install > it. I can order them > from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he > wants $3.50 each (and I > want two of them, since I have another deck in need > of this fix). Anyone > have a lead on cheaper sources? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 02:59:45 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:59:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Sticky, Gooey Mess... Message-ID: <103020070159.8584.472690110003614B0000218822165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom wrote: "The goo is non-vulcanized rubber breaking down. Many Japanese companies preferred non-vulcanized rubber for some mysterious reason. I use MEK on the goo." Tom: I never like to use MEK because there is no margin for error if you should happen to drip it on a plastic part. Knowing my luck, I would drip it on the plastic meter display window or something equally visually important! Isopropyl alcohol cuts through the goo really well. After a few passes with Q-tips soaked in the stuff, you would never know the goo had been there at all. And it's a lot safer for any plastic parts that might get hit with it. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 12:39:35 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:39:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A: unpleasant revelations? Message-ID: <103020071139.20240.472717F7000653A600004F1022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Tim: The CR-5A does have access to adjust azimuth via the regular screw/cam setup, as you describe. You have to remove the outer cassette door to see the little white adjustment screws. I patch the deck into my T-100, put the deck into Play mode, then adjust it accordingly, using the proper Nakamichi test tape. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 12:48:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:48:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Message-ID: <103020071148.8005.47271A260003B8B100001F4522165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Manos: You can usually (but not always) improve a cam or control motor that has dead spots like this: 1. Disconnect any wire harness connectors that may be attached to the motor or cassette transport. 2. Remove the motor from its mounted position. (Sometimes easier said than done) Disconnect any gears or belts that may be attached to the motor. 3. Hold the motor so that the pulley axle is pointing DOWN and the back of the motor (where the wires are) is facing upwards. Spray a generous amount of DeOxit into the slots that are visible in the middle of the back of the motor. Wait a few moments. 4. Connect the motor terminals to a variable DC power supply, with voltage set between 7 and 9 volts. If a DC power supply is not available, a 9-volt battery can be clipped to the motor terminals. NOTE: There is usually no need to disconnect the wires that are attached to the motor, as long as you have done Step 1. 5. Run the motor for several minutes. I have run these motors for up to 45 minutes at a time, but it is not usually necessary to go that long. Fifteen or twenty minutes is usually sufficient. Try to reverse the voltage polarity and run the motor in both directions. 6. Give the motor a final spray of DeOxit, re-install the motor, and check the function. This nearly always works for me. *andy* From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 12:58:20 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:58:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! Message-ID: Hi Manos, I think your problem is with the mechanism that flip the tape i.e. the mechanism that takes the tape out rotate the cassette and put it back in, there is small motor and belt that drives this mechanism, I had once completely rebuilt this mechanism myself on my RX 505 so I know from experience, once it works the flip action is something to behold! in a matter of second the tape comes out and goes back in the cassette welll, in this case the RX series are really unique and dare i say also the most beautiful of all Namamichi cassette deck this is from a person who also owns the 1000 ZXL LOL! Getting back to your problem I just rembered a part of white plastic timing gear in the reverse mechanism was broken I was fortunate to get one from Nakamichi themselves, if this is the problem you might check with others here to get the part or look for a donor! Also if this does not help the next best advice and probably the best would I think would be to get a working RX 505 from ebay! :) Hope my two bit helps you! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 30 13:22:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:22:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47272215.2030802@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, I managed to fumble > the plastic retaining washer while trying to install it. I can order them > from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he wants $3.50 each (and I > want two of them, since I have another deck in need of this fix). Anyone > have a lead on cheaper sources? I need to replace the battery in my waterproof watch. To retain water resistance, the gasket must be replaced, so I called Casio and ordered one. Turns out it costs 5 cents, plus $4.95 S/H. The shipping actually costs them $0.41 (the gasket is thinner than paper and weighs nothing point something), so their profit is $4.50 on the shipping and to hell with the maybe 4 cents they make on the item itself. Honest? no, 't ain't; but arguing with it will be Quixotic at best. Some people are here to live; most others are here to make a buck -- the faster, the better. Grin and bear it. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 30 13:29:45 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:29:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <589499.263.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <589499.263.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <472723B9.7050607@rcn.com> Terry, I have replaced Sankyo transport idlers many times. I always reinstalled the original washer (no cutting) and never saw the idler trying to get away. The idea of the glue sounds good, but if the idler to glue contact isn't smooth, it could cause some drag on the idler, which isn't good. If going that route, I would put on a slightly larger washer, then put a drop of glue above it, to keep it in place. -- Ron Terry Houchins wrote: > I replaced my idler tire recently and had to remove > the retaining washer also. > I don't even think it would work if you put it back > on. > It might if you can get it on without having to make a > cut in it like the instructions say. > It is so loose, that the tire could easly push it off. > What I would do is get a tube of JB Weld and put a > very small drop on the tip of the shaft. After 24hrs > that tire will never come off. > I don't trust those washers once they been removed. > > Terry > > > > --- John Berger wrote: > >> While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, >> I managed to fumble >> the plastic retaining washer while trying to install >> it. I can order them >> from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he >> wants $3.50 each (and I >> want two of them, since I have another deck in need >> of this fix). Anyone >> have a lead on cheaper sources? >> >> From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 30 15:27:55 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:27:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport - capstan end float In-Reply-To: <6ED9885B-01EB-4C37-8B86-902193EDD5BB@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: It should have minimum float to prevent tape skew. I turn until the movement ends, and go no further. The bearing plate is nylon and will dent easily if overtightened by the method you describe. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:10 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] classic transport - capstan end float hi - i've just been servicing a 480 I bought recently and noticed one of the capstans had quite a lot of end float - i could move the capstan up and down very easily, to what felt like at least 1mm.. the service manual states you should carefully tighten the nylon screw to the point where no movement is felt and the spring is compressed, then go back half a turn - ( well that's what I think the translation means!) Doing it this way the capstan still has movement. The other capstan has no movement. How important is this movement? Does the spring help to stop this movement? thanks adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 30 18:28:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:28:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] classic transport - capstan end float In-Reply-To: <6ED9885B-01EB-4C37-8B86-902193EDD5BB@thegreatbear.net> References: <6ED9885B-01EB-4C37-8B86-902193EDD5BB@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <472769A8.5070601@rcn.com> adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi - > > i've just been servicing a 480 I bought recently and noticed one of the > capstans had quite a lot of end float - i could move the capstan up and > down very easily, to what felt like at least 1mm.. > > the service manual states you should carefully tighten the nylon screw > to the point where no movement is felt and the spring is compressed, > then go back half a turn - ( well that's what I think the translation > means!) > > Doing it this way the capstan still has movement. The other capstan has > no movement. How important is this movement? Does the spring help to > stop this movement? > > thanks > > adrian The capstan should have a minimal play, but definitely NOT zero. If too large, tape traveling will suffer. If zero or tighter, the capstan will tend to bind (especially with rising temperature), resulting in increased W/F and wear. If adjusted per instructions, the play will be a small fraction of 1 mm. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Oct 30 18:34:29 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:34:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A: unpleasant revelations? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110710291602i1b7b7815mc9d3455e8d38f3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110710291602i1b7b7815mc9d3455e8d38f3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47276B25.6080900@rcn.com> The CR-5 doesn't have the PB user adjustable azimuth of the CR-7. You can still use the service adjustment (easily accessible without cover removal), but I wouldn't do it without a proper alignment tape. -- Ron Tim Skorick wrote: > Does anyone know of any under-the-hood head azimuth calibration > procedures for the CR-5A? I have this deck on the way but haven't > received it yet so I can't eyeball it myself. I have the user manual, > but no service manual. The user's guide shows a bias fine tune knob > where the PH azimuth knob is on the 7, and only lists azimuth adjustment > procedures for the 7. > > I would expect the 5, not being a low-end Nak, to have at least access > to adjust azimuth via the regular screws/cam setup, can anyone verify? > > -Tim From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 30 18:41:01 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:41:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? In-Reply-To: <589499.263.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <589499.263.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910710301041p1bb2a0a6yedd3913fa0ead03a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, is JB Weld removable afterwards at least? 2007/10/29, Terry Houchins : > I replaced my idler tire recently and had to remove > the retaining washer also. > I don't even think it would work if you put it back > on. > It might if you can get it on without having to make a > cut in it like the instructions say. > It is so loose, that the tire could easly push it off. > What I would do is get a tube of JB Weld and put a > very small drop on the tip of the shaft. After 24hrs > that tire will never come off. > I don't trust those washers once they been removed. > > Terry > > > > --- John Berger wrote: > > > While replacing the idler wheel on one of my decks, > > I managed to fumble > > the plastic retaining washer while trying to install > > it. I can order them > > from the source I got the idler wheel from, but he > > wants $3.50 each (and I > > want two of them, since I have another deck in need > > of this fix). Anyone > > have a lead on cheaper sources? > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Oct 30 19:00:15 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:00:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with RX-505, Please help !!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4727712F.9010600@otenet.gr> Hi Ali Thank you for your kind inputs, i cant agree less except your last sentence about getting a working 505 from ebay... :-) Actually this is where i got this one! And if you go through my mails it was functioning OK (except that REW problem) until it went for service...But these things can happen any time! I also believe that the UDAR mechanism is something really exquisite and seeing it functioning properly is really cool. The first time i saw such a deck was in the movie 91/2 weeks if you have seen it...There are some things you can't forget (like the Transcriptors turntable in Clockwork orange!) and i believe its one of the most beautiful decks Nacamichi ever build....I also have a Dragon and a CR-7 but 505 is my favorite as far as looks concern! Ali i will do whatever is needed for the deck to work properly again, thanks to all of you who have supported me all these days with your wise inputs and kind replies to my "screams"... All the best Manos BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Manos, I think your problem is with the mechanism that flip the > tape i.e. the mechanism that takes the tape out rotate the cassette > and put it back in, there is small motor and belt that drives this > mechanism, I had once completely rebuilt this mechanism myself on my > RX 505 so I know from experience, once it works the flip action is > something to behold! in a matter of second the tape comes out and goes > back in the cassette welll, in this case the RX series are really > unique and dare i say also the most beautiful of all Namamichi > cassette deck this is from a person who also owns the 1000 ZXL LOL! > Getting back to your problem I just rembered a part of white plastic > timing gear in the reverse mechanism was broken I was fortunate to get > one from Nakamichi themselves, if this is the problem you might check > with others here to get the part or look for a donor! Also if this > does not help the next best advice and probably the best would I > think would be to get a working RX 505 from ebay! :) > > Hope my two bit helps you! > > Ali > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > and Make AOL Your > Homepage . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are 3 possibilities I am trying to remember! first would be to check the rubber belt attached to the small motor in reverse mechanism to see wether it is loose and to replace it with a new one this might solve the problem, second the white grease that was original there so the whole reverse mechanism would move smoothly when engaged has either been exhausted or have become sticky and does not move the mechansim smoothly as it does and lastly as in my case there is while cam gear which has timing marks on it which I am trying to remember again! this gear would move and close a switch , all these parts are underneath the UDAR mechanism as mentioned above the right person can fix the mechanism but it really require lots of patience and a good copy of RX 505 service manual is a MUST i.e. that shows the UDAR mechanism clearly and is easy to read I think the manual also shows the timing sequence of the mechanism i.e. how to adjust the timing so forth it. If you feel your technican is not up to it then find the right person who can do it! the right person can make all the difference!! Lastly one I fixed mine it worked like new! and YOU ARE RIGHT! THE REVERSE MECHANISM IS A SIGHT TO BEHOLD ON A CORRECTLY WORKING RX 202, 303 AND YES! THE RX 505. Just in case if you didn't know the flip mechanism of the RX 505 is the same used in the RX 202 and RX 303 you can get RX 202 pretty cheaply sometime on Ebay, I never owned the RX 303 but let me tell you the RX 202 is a very fine machine with although 2 heads and not 3heads and some more features like the RX 505 but it makes recording that will make you proud and the playback is also fantastic! on the RX 202, I would recommend the RX 202 to anyone on budget that cannot afford the RX 505 to go for the RX 202 , you wont be disappointed ! Thanks! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 31 14:49:57 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:49:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler, wheel? Message-ID: <47288805.3000903@sbcglobal.net> Ron says: "I need to replace the battery in my waterproof watch. To retain water resistance, the gasket must be replaced, so I called Casio and ordered one. Turns out it costs 5 cents, plus $4.95 S/H. The shipping actually costs them $0.41 (the gasket is thinner than paper and weighs nothing point something), so their profit is $4.50 on the shipping and to hell with the maybe 4 cents they make on the item itself. Honest? no, 't ain't; but arguing with it will be Quixotic at best. Some people are here to live; most others are here to make a buck -- the faster, the better. Grin and bear it." Ken says: As a guy that runs a busy practice, I can tell you they probably lose money on that transaction. It costs money to just pick up the phone. It costs money to answer emails. Pension plans, insurance, wages, etc.. It all adds up. Oh and lets not forget Social Security and Medicare taxes on each employee... They did you a service. They want you to buy another Casio someday and it sounds like to me they have their act together. I once needed bulbs for my Mackie mixer. They light the VU meters in the meter bridge. I could not find them anywhere. I finally called Mackie. I asked the lady where I could find the bulbs. She laughed and said I have them for a dollar each. Then she said it would be 10 bucks to overnight them to me. I said, oh just throw them into the regular mail. She said, "Oh no trouble, you can just have them." :-) It was not worth the cost to even take my credit card information. The good will went a long way with me. I bought Mackie monitors the next year. So they were probably aware of how a little transaction can make you feel ripped off or like you are special. I do understand your feelings. But they were not dishonest with you. They were just trying to cover their costs. They could have made you a customer for life by just throwing it in the mail to you for free. Cheap marketing.... Ken From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Oct 31 20:44:00 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:44:00 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Plastic retaining ring clip for reel idler wheel? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/31/2007 12:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, william.shenefelt at verizon.net writes: When an item is under a dollar, somewhere the company has to cover their cost for doing the order, and packaging and shipping the item. Honestly, for a 5 cent item do you think they could do that for another 41 cents postage and work for free? Most companies figure between $50 and $100 internal cost to process a purchase order, so $5 for doing an order is not all that bad. Sure it is honest. Bill Shenefelt A while back, we had two controversies on Naktalk about belts and ESL's repair costs. Back then, Tom shot me an email arguing the virtues of "market forces" - basically, the idea that if you offer a product at too high a price, somebody will come in under you and take your business away. Since then, I have seen the price of BX series idler tires come down from $10 to the current $3.41 on eBay. I think a couple of years ago ESL was charging around $15 on ebay, including shipping, for an idler tire, and even they are now down to around $8. The same thing is now happening with belts - Fred Marrs is being consistently undersold on eBay. The latest kits on eBay are $10 for what he was selling earlier this year at $25. There's a saying I heard in India, if you go for the wool, you can shear the sheep over and over. If you go for the meat, you only get it once. Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2007\2007-September.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Sep 1 00:40:32 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:40:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 Message-ID: Jeff and Bob Thanks for your comments on the Cassette Deck 1. I have been doing some comparisons and boosted the internal playback levels of CD1 to max. The Cassette Deck 1 compares pretty well to the 582 but I like more user adjustability. In the end I am a user rather than a collector and decided to list the surplus one to recoup some of a big outlay on the ZX-9. The wife uses the 581 for playback and I have two great decks to play and record with. Good enough for me! David >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bob Naylor >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <620628.84330.qm at web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Jeff, I also have a CD1 & 1.5 and I agree these are very under rated. They >both sound great on playback and record. The manual azimuth adjustment on the CD1 has been very handy at times, Tapes recorded many years ago on cheaper machines sound extremely good played on these decks. Bob >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:01:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: > Mine are: >581 - owned from new, in need of some attention >582 - nicely balanced sound with depth >ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound >Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell > Hey David, > Before selling your Cassette Deck 1, I would do some very careful A-B >listening tests with it. Nakamichi boosted the output on some models, and left the output low on others, even though the published specs on output in the manuals are rated the same. If you very carefully match the output on the Cassette Deck 1 to the other decks (by lowering the output on the others to match the Cassette Deck 1) I think you might find that it actually has a very good sound. I think it's a very under-rated deck. I've got one, and it has a really good tone, and it has the adjustable playback azimuth that your other decks don't. > Back in the day, speaker salesmen would bait-and-switch customers by turning up the volume on cheap speakers to make customers think that the cheap speaker was better than the brand-name used for comparison. Nakamichi did more or less the same thing with their flagship decks like the 582 and ZX-9 and some others. If you actually carefully match the decks, you'll find some under-rated models really sound great, all other things being equal. I think the Cassette Deck 1 falls in that category. > Jeff W From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Sep 1 04:13:47 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:13:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/31/2007 4:42:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: The Cassette Deck 1 compares pretty well to the 582 but I like more user adjustability. In the end I am a user rather than a collector and decided to list the surplus one to recoup some of a big outlay on the ZX-9. The wife uses the 581 for playback and I have two great decks to play and record with. Good enough for me! I am familiar with that calculation, but I took it in the opposite direction. I realized that I could get 10 Nak decks on eBay for the price of 1 top-tier ZX-9, so that's exactly what I did. enjoy your decks Jeff W ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Sep 1 04:02:37 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:02:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity Message-ID: Kannan and Tom Thanks for your comments. I am talking to John Gipps in Brisbane about doing some adjustments for me as he has the right gear. Does this mean that a basic check for correct head tilt can be done by comparing the level responses between 1kHz and 400Hz test tapes? David >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:14:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <660873.95912.qm at web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >There is something called Head Tilt - your 582 requires ( probably) the tilt to be adjusted correctly. > This requires much more expensive gauage from Nak > Kannan >David Thompson wrote: > I have been calibrating 3 decks lately ­ 582, Cassette 1 and ZX-9. >I have been frustrated getting a good result on the 582 but discovered why >today. >I have used Luis' calibration tapes, a tone generator application and a PPM >meter. I followed Luis's FAQ and used the 1kHz tape to adjust the play head >height. After that I had trouble getting everything else right and the >playback volume was down. Today I tried the 400Hz tape (as the manual says) >and the play head height adjusted differently. Voila, the rest followed much >better and the good sound and volume returned. >Checking back on the other two machines, there is no difference in the play >head height setting with either the 1kHz or 400Hz tape. >Any thoughts on why the 582 was different? Anything to do with the classic >mechanism? >David >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:53:37 -0500 >From: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Calibration curiosity >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I never recommend adjusting the head height without the proper tape. Luis's >tape will work if there is no other option, but the actual alignment has a >very small "window" of correctness...in other words a very small turn of the >height adjustment make a large difference. NEVER remove the height adjust >gear and adjust the two individual gears beneath. As mentioned these are the >tilt adjustments, and nothing short of the jig will set tilt correctly. > Your test process has revealed that there is some tape travel problem >with the 582. Luis has a special deck that he uses exclusively for the >alignment tapes, so the same deck would have been used for the 1kHz and >400Hz tapes...unless these tapes have 2 different sources? >BTW, Luis sent me a set of tapes to check against the cal tapes. I really >need to get that job done! >Tom Brucker csm >Hi Tech Service From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Sep 1 12:45:01 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:45:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: Jeff After saying that I have taken the Cassette Deck off sale because I found my 581 is in a bad way. It is probably due for retirement seeing it has put in a hard life in the tropics since 1979. David >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:13:47 EDT >From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 8/31/2007 4:42:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: >The Cassette Deck 1 compares pretty well to the 582 but I >like more user adjustability. In the end I am a user rather than a collector >and decided to list the surplus one to recoup some of a big outlay on the >ZX-9. The wife uses the 581 for playback and I have two great decks to play >and record with. Good enough for me! >I am familiar with that calculation, but I took it in the opposite direction. I realized that I could get 10 Nak decks on eBay for the price of 1 >top-tier ZX-9, so that's exactly what I did. enjoy your decks >Jeff W From smokelessjohnson at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 03:30:11 2007 From: smokelessjohnson at yahoo.com (smoke johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A problem/question Message-ID: <385901.65064.qm@web57205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I own a CR-4A and 2 years ago I had the cam mode motor replaced. Last year, when I powered up, the meter levels were registering a frequency before I touched any other button. so I had everything resoldered. This seemed to have done the trick. But now, a year later it is happening again, I power up and the meter levels are registering again, this time stronger(about 4 or 5 green bars). Sorry, I am not as technically advanced as most of you, but I love my cassettes and decks. Any ideas as to what is happening? Thanks in advance, Smoke --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 13:50:40 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 04:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A problem/question In-Reply-To: <385901.65064.qm@web57205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <751631.65398.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Johnson the chances are - the wire with an aluminium lug connecting the transport mechanism chassis to the Deck body is loose or come off on one end. Open the Deck look on the left side - (your left side when you face the front of the Deck) - small wire with logs on both the end connecting to the body of the Deck. let me know the progress Good luck with your CR4. It is a great deck ( under rated by many) Kannan smoke johnson wrote: I own a CR-4A and 2 years ago I had the cam mode motor replaced. Last year, when I powered up, the meter levels were registering a frequency before I touched any other button. so I had everything resoldered. This seemed to have done the trick. But now, a year later it is happening again, I power up and the meter levels are registering again, this time stronger(about 4 or 5 green bars). Sorry, I am not as technically advanced as most of you, but I love my cassettes and decks. Any ideas as to what is happening? Thanks in advance, Smoke --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Sep 2 14:29:36 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:29:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration Message-ID: Yesterday my ZX-9 was calibrated nicely but today I notice that the left channel is much lower than the right. This is showing up on both play and record head heights and I cannot improve it by recalibration. Is there an obvious reason for this sudden change? David From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Sep 2 15:37:41 2007 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:37:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A problem/question In-Reply-To: <751631.65398.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <751631.65398.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46DABCA5.6080603@whiteapple.u-net.com> Just my two penny worth, but I would like to echo Kannan's comments on the CR4. Having heard very little previous comment on the CR4, I was lucky enough to obtain one relatively cheaply just recently and have been pleasantly surprised at how well the deck performs and sounds. Doug Locke. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Johnson > the chances are - the wire with an aluminium lug connecting the > transport mechanism chassis to the Deck body is loose or come off on > one end. Open the Deck look on the left side - (your left side when > you face the front of the Deck) - small wire with logs on both the end > connecting to the body of the Deck. > let me know the progress > Good luck with your CR4. It is a great deck ( under rated by many) > Kannan > > */smoke johnson /* wrote: > > I own a CR-4A and 2 years ago I had the cam mode motor replaced. > Last year, when I powered up, the meter levels were registering a > frequency before I touched any other button. so I had everything > resoldered. This seemed to have done the trick. But now, a year > later it is happening again, I power up and the meter levels are > registering again, this time stronger(about 4 or 5 green > bars). Sorry, I am not as technically advanced as most of you, but > I love my cassettes and decks. Any ideas as to what is happening? > Thanks in advance, > Smoke > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Sep 3 15:56:47 2007 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:56:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The beauty of a 680 Message-ID: <0da301c7ee32$4e5e8020$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi, If you like the 680 series - or just Naks - then have a look at the pictures from www.ebay.com item# 170145212392. What beautiful design and what fantastic shots... Best Regards, Per From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 20:25:29 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:25:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The beauty of a 680 In-Reply-To: <0da301c7ee32$4e5e8020$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <0da301c7ee32$4e5e8020$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <518b7b10709031125u7497d2a2le7775775cc24787a@mail.gmail.com> Such a shame that the seller has misrepresented (or misunderstood) the Auto Azimuth Alignment as "the same mechanism as the Dragon, only without the reverse function" and also omitted the unbelievable performance at half-speed - after all it's running at 15/16 in the pictures ?. The photos are stunning indeed and the deck looks in pristine condition. George On 9/3/07, Per wrote: > Hi, If you like the 680 series - or just Naks - then > have a look at the pictures from www.ebay.com > item# 170145212392. What beautiful design and > what fantastic shots... Best Regards, Per > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 03:18:01 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:18:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration Message-ID: <090420070118.674.46DCB249000509BE000002A222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, David: I had the exact same problem with my ZX-9. In my case, the left channel was noticeably lower than the right, both in sound level and on the meters. It turned out that my Tape/Source monitor switch had a bit of dirt in it. I flipped the switch back and forth a few times and BINGO! Both levels are exactly the same now. You might try the same thing. I couldn't hurt! :-) As added insurance, I opened up the deck a couple of weeks later and blasted a bit of contact cleaner into the body of the switch. Good Luck, *andy* From prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Tue Sep 4 07:05:48 2007 From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk (prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk) Date: 04 Sep 2007 06:05:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX Cam Problem In-Reply-To: <200709031002.l83A0glm031412@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709031002.l83A0glm031412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Sep 4 09:45:45 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:45:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: <46D72A81.3010108@xs4all.nl> References: <46D72A81.3010108@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Good to see you, Wouter! On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Welcome back Kermit! > Wouter > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Sep 4 09:47:44 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:47:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: <33125254.1188506440194.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> References: <33125254.1188506440194.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <8F40F404-9C9D-4F75-BD66-15FB97AACAE1@kvglabs.com> Hi Roland, I'd been trying to find a good source of dilithiums crystals to power my warp-modified Nakamichi NCC-1701 (Nakamichi Computing Cassette). Right? Right. On Aug 30, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Roland wrote: > Pleased to see reverent Gray back and alive!! > I thought I was in a Star Trek time warp! > > Hope all is well and we get to see more of you! > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Sep 4 09:49:02 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:49:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 600s NakTalking........ In-Reply-To: <542425.52823.qm@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <542425.52823.qm@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00E53197-1119-42B0-B1CB-E736973DCD3A@kvglabs.com> Hi Fred, On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: > Hey Kermit, > > Good to see you back........ > > Our 600s have got to get together and Talk...... Yes, and they'd be speaking in analogies with the same biases, so all would go well. > > LOL > > Fred in CT..... -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Sep 4 11:00:24 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 04:00:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30708310640y6fc28c6byfae0249724804885@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D6D2A9-3911-4265-B526-1B2345DD6E79@kvglabs.com> <112a7fe30708310640y6fc28c6byfae0249724804885@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:40 AM, MD wrote: > Hi Kermit, > Thanks God you're fine...It's great to hear from you.Naks 550 and > 600 are great recorders,no doubt.What other portables did you own? > How do they compare?I remember you disliked Nagra III a lot...Can > you share your thoughts about Nagra?Is Stellavox any better?Some > claim it is more musical than Nagra.How do they compare sonically > to top Naks?Thanks. Best regards,A Great question! firstly, keep in mind that we're comparing some portable reel-to-reels to the Nakamichi 550, a cassette recorder. Live recording was my specialty and my most-favorite work. So I went overboard on specialized equipment. Here's a run-down of what I used over the years. The Nakamichi 550 is very clean and natural, capable of sound on a par with many reel-to-reels, even some pro units. Bass extension is better than the 40 cps rated. Excellent mic amps, albeit unbalanced only, good build quality, excellent meters that give a good sense of both peak and average levels, good ergonomics, excellent battery management for its day, and the best limiter ever fitted to a recorder at any price. I do not think that Nakamichi's condenser mics are a good match to the 550's mic inputs. Disadvantages are flimsy furniture and brightwork, excessive weight compared to other portables, and a tendency to require constant cleaning of card-edge connectors. I owned 4 Nakamichi 550, one was stolen, I wore one out. Still have two. Yes, I had a Nagra III and hated its hard-edged, up front, un-musical sound. Odd. It was very quiet and very clear but had a definite harshness. Listen to 1970s USA sitcoms or the movie soundtracks of feature films like Bullitt, Jaws or the first two Dirty Harry movies and you have an idea of what they sound like. Very reliable, though. I had to have it to get certain jobs because the contract specified a Nagra III in the rider clause. I upgraded the sound of mine once, then promptly got fired off a job. They wanted to be sure each take sounded the same no matter who recorded it, and my modded Nagra III sounded different, and hence didn't match. So I put it back to the stock sound. I always enjoyed the affectation of Nagra referring to the "Modulometer" instead of the level meter. Its limiter is mediocre; its action is perfect for dialogue but obvious with music and percussive sound effects. Good but not spectacular mic amps, their sound makes me think of a Shure M67's mic inputs. The Nakamichi 550 is far more natural and gives a better sense of detail despite inferior specs compared with the Nagra III. I also had a Uher 4000 Report L, 4400 Report Stereo and 1000 Report Pilot. These are miniature reel-to-reels with 4-speeds, except for the 1000. The worst ergonomics ever -- accessing the heads and pinch roller to clean them means removing two tiny screws like those used in eyeglass frames! Awful! Add to that its nearly-worthless edgewise meters, and the strange overall tone it imposes onto everything. Its odd sound is actually ideal for recording speeches, interviews and seminars, but you either love the sound with music or hate it -- I think they make everything sound like medium-wave (AM) radio broadcasts so I dislike them with music. Poor reliability overall. Uhers have a cult following, amazingly. Comparison to a Nakamichi 550? It doesn't! These Uher reel-to-reels sound more like cassette decks than most cassette decks do! Marantz PMD-430, the top of the line three head cassette, small and lightweight, with metal tape and dbx capability. It is fitted with good meters, good ergonomics, variable bias and variable speed, two mic inputs. Sound like a mid-range cassette deck, veiled, no sense of bass impact, treble always seem deficient even when it isn't. I was very disappointed. Awful limiter can clip harshly. Mediocre mic amps. Flimsy overall build quality. Over-priced. I've rented or borrowed Stellavox SP-8 recorders, which are miniature battery-powered reel-to-reels that can run between 1 7/8 to 15 IPS, depending on which speed change accessory module is installed. The maximum reel size, like Uher and Nagra, is 5.″ I've heard that Stellavox is designed by former Nagra engineers, but unlike a Nagra a Stellavox has a sweet treble and detaile dimagng, an overall low sense of distortion with out the harshness that characterizes a Nagra III. To my ear, the Stellavox sounded much like the Studer B67 (or its home equivalent the A700), it has much of that "Nashville sound" often associated with the Studer B67 or A80, but the SP-8 does suffer from a slight lack of solidity to the bass, unlike a Studer. I blame the sync track for that. I had a Bendix MP-10 dynamotor set and a DM-33 command set dynamotor producing 450 VAC, 1050 VAC and 250 VAC simultaneously from 6.3 volt or 12.6 volt storage batteries. The setup allowed me to power my valve equipment directly (after rectification with banks of 5U4G and appropriate ripple filters), then provide mains power to the recorder through a Western Electric step-down transformer regulated by a ferroresonant isolation transformer. Power for the dynamotor set was provided either by my van's storage battery or by a rather cumbersome storage battery pack that gave the rig about 4 hours of operating time on a charge. This gave me the ability to use full-size studio reel-to-reels as well as other equipment. I seldom did use full-sized reel-to-reels, though; when I did they were Ampex 354, MR70, Scully 280B. Once I took my A-80 16-track on location. Bad idea. But it gave me the excuse to convert it to 24-track. Another bad idea -- the 16- track sounded better! Revox A77 suitcase version. It has a handle, therefore it is portable. Requires AC mains power. Let's face it, this is a classic. The Nakamichi 550 can hold its own sonically with a Revox A77 in many circumstances. I had two with 15-ips and Dolby B; and four were the standard 3.75/7.5 ips models. I wore all six A77s out. Revox B77 and PR99, the "next generation" evolution from the A77. These are much cleaner, with care they can sound almost identical to the A80! They're more reliable than the A77, have far better meters, and their brakes work well, unlike the A77, which can spill tape when stopping from fast wind or can snatch tape and break them during stops! The PR99 is a rack-mount pro version with real time counter, balanced inputs and outputs, Studer's "Uncal" level option, and a monitor panel option. I had three PR99 and a B77-HS (the 15-ips model). I prefer the sound of the B77 to that of the PR99. By the way, I have to mention I truly dislike the sound of the audio transformers Studer-Revox used in their A710 cassette, PR99, B67 and A80. To my ears, they cause a loss of bass punchiness and take the sense of air away from an otherwise wonderful recorder. I had the transformers in my PR99s and the A80 replaced with custom models made by Reichenbach. Revox A700, the home version of the B67, sound quality between the B77 and A80. I picked the A700 over the B67 because of my dislike for the transformers Studer-Revox used at the time. Also the A700 has two sets of stereo inputs, mixable; and a bass/treble control on its headphone amps. some of the trim work is flimsy, inexcusably so -- the feet and knobs break too easily for a deck of this price range. My A700 was stolen. Sorry, but the B77, PR99 and A700 do sound better than the Nakamichi 550 in every respect, although I'd say it's an unfair comparison. In many circumstances, with great care setting levels, the Nakamichi 550 can come so close to these decks as to be practically indistinguishable. Magnecorder PT-63, a small 15-ips reel-to-reel made in 1948. Takes 7- inch reels only. Excellent sound, even by modern standards. Cumbersome three-motor transport. I'm restoring it. The Nakamichi 550 just edges out the Magnecorder sonically, except for vocal -- the PT-63 is amazing for recording vocals or guitars. Ampex 602, a fixed speed 7.5 ips reel-to-reel of 7-inch capacity. Tapes will clip before the electronics will! Unlike the strong colorations of the previous 601 and 600 models, the 602 is one of the most natural recorders I've heard. Detailed and clean sound. The transport is stable but loud and awkward -- it lacks a tape lifter so you can ruin heads on only a few hours if you're not careful! Requires constant maintenance to remain in peak condition but will run for years and sound good even if neglected. Those who say they hate its sound haven't heard one that was taken well care of, would be my guess. The Nakamichi 550 can hold its own sonically with the 602, although it is a close call -- and the 602 has superior microdynamics. I owned two mono models and one stereo model (602-2), and wore out one mono and the stereo model Still have one mono model and use the two dead ones for part supplies. Don't buy an Ampex 600, 601 or 602 off eBay unless you enjoy spending your life maintaining tape recorders! Sony PCM-F1 (PCM digital audio a/d/a converter) with Sony U-Matic VTR: Dead quiet, amazing reproduction of piano with its lack of flutter and wow, but a sense of sterility and a tendency for harshness with violin and any strong treble sound. Makes an awesome first impression and a breathtaking demo, but the more you listen to it the less you like it. Definitely I preferred the Nakamichi 550 to this and I sod the rig about three months after I bought it! Hope this satisfies your curiosity! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 4 15:11:55 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:11:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I hope you marked the play back level controls. You need to return them to their original position! Otherwise your Dolby tapes will playback significantly brighter. You may have your deck modified to raise the line output level so 0Vu = 1 volt rather than 0.7 volts. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 Jeff and Bob Thanks for your comments on the Cassette Deck 1. I have been doing some comparisons and boosted the internal playback levels of CD1 to max. The Cassette Deck 1 compares pretty well to the 582 but I like more user adjustability. In the end I am a user rather than a collector and decided to list the surplus one to recoup some of a big outlay on the ZX-9. The wife uses the 581 for playback and I have two great decks to play and record with. Good enough for me! David >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:37:41 -0700 (PDT) >From: Bob Naylor >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Is In Your Collection? >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <620628.84330.qm at web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Jeff, I also have a CD1 & 1.5 and I agree these are very under rated. They >both sound great on playback and record. The manual azimuth adjustment on the CD1 has been very handy at times, Tapes recorded many years ago on cheaper machines sound extremely good played on these decks. Bob >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2007 2:01:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: > Mine are: >581 - owned from new, in need of some attention >582 - nicely balanced sound with depth >ZX-9 - just purchased! Powerful solid sound >Cassette Deck 1 - bright but more subdued - about to sell > Hey David, > Before selling your Cassette Deck 1, I would do some very careful A-B >listening tests with it. Nakamichi boosted the output on some models, and left the output low on others, even though the published specs on output in the manuals are rated the same. If you very carefully match the output on the Cassette Deck 1 to the other decks (by lowering the output on the others to match the Cassette Deck 1) I think you might find that it actually has a very good sound. I think it's a very under-rated deck. I've got one, and it has a really good tone, and it has the adjustable playback azimuth that your other decks don't. > Back in the day, speaker salesmen would bait-and-switch customers by turning up the volume on cheap speakers to make customers think that the cheap speaker was better than the brand-name used for comparison. Nakamichi did more or less the same thing with their flagship decks like the 582 and ZX-9 and some others. If you actually carefully match the decks, you'll find some under-rated models really sound great, all other things being equal. I think the Cassette Deck 1 falls in that category. > Jeff W ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 18:40:23 2007 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (MARK BATES) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:40:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Control Motor NAK 582 Message-ID: Is there a replacement control motor available for a NAK 582 that will work or do you have to salvage one from a parts deck. THANKS in advance for any info. on this. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft� Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Sep 4 19:57:57 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:57:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Control Motor NAK 582 Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2007 10:51:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, leicasl2 at hotmail.com writes: Is there a replacement control motor available for a NAK 582 that will work or do you have to salvage one from a parts deck. THANKS in advance for any info. on this. You can get on off a 480. I have managed to get several 480's in the $20 price range off eBay. One of them was local and cost me $19, not much more than you would spend getting just a motor by mail. 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If Massachusetts, I'm not overly far away and Ron would be even closer. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? > Any Naktalkers live around Ashland (USA)? > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Sep 5 00:11:26 2007 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:11:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? In-Reply-To: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> References: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <46DDD80E.1080202@cox.net> If you mean Ashland, VA, it's about two hours south of me. Wouter Heijke wrote: > Any Naktalkers live around Ashland (USA)? > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 4 21:16:38 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:16:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX woes... Message-ID: > I'd been trying to find a good source of dilithiums crystals to power > my warp-modified Nakamichi NCC-1701 (Nakamichi Computing Cassette). > Right? Right. Is that NCC-1701 N? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 5 01:01:59 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? In-Reply-To: <46DDD80E.1080202@cox.net> References: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> <46DDD80E.1080202@cox.net> Message-ID: <46DDE3E7.4040601@rcn.com> Like Geoffrey said, if MA, it's about 300 meters from my front lawn. -- Ron Tim Barrett wrote: > If you mean Ashland, VA, it's about two hours south of me. > > Wouter Heijke wrote: >> Any Naktalkers live around Ashland (USA)? >> >> Wouter >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 5 03:22:05 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:22:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Control Motor NAK 582 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DE04BD.2030009@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/4/2007 10:51:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > leicasl2 at hotmail.com writes: > > Is there a replacement control motor available for a NAK 582 that > will work > or do you have to salvage one from a parts deck. THANKS in advance > for any > info. on this. > > You can get on off a 480. I have managed to get several 480's in the > $20 price range off eBay. One of them was local and cost me $19, not > much more than you would spend getting just a motor by mail. > Jeff W > Also, rebuilding the motor is worth a try. -- Ron From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Wed Sep 5 10:33:17 2007 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:33:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] new postal rates for shipping Message-ID: these new postral rates for shipping have kind of ruined the mailing of average cost decks overseas. there is no more "surface", but everything is airmail at a very costly rate, so unloess the gear is something pretty special, its simplky not worth it any longer to post it. -- From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Sep 5 13:58:07 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:58:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Here's One To Consider.... Message-ID: <090520071158.18506.46DE99CF000C83290000484A22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> If this ZX-7 is as clean as the description says, then the Buy It Now price is fair. Keep in mind that if this were an auction instead of a sale, the bidding would easily reach the Buy It Now price--and possibly exceed it. For those of you who do not own a higher-end Nakamichi like the CR-7, ZX-7/9, or 680 series, this is a chance to see and hear a level of performance you may not have experienced before. These machines are simply incredible. I'm happy to say that I own a ZX-7 and will never part with it. ZX-7 decks show up on eBay fairly regularly, but I thought I would mention this one because it does look so clean and is said to be a one-owner deck. The only issues I can see are minor: two of the six caps are missing on the front (they cover the small bias and level adjustment pots), and the original owner's name is etched on the back. No big deal! http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-7-Cassette-Deck-Pristine-Condition_W0QQitemZ120158235807QQihZ002QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Sep 5 14:42:11 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:42:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration Message-ID: Andy I tried the tape/source switch as you suggested but this was not it. I did find two things though. One was the spring on the screw mount for the play head ­ it had a kink in it and seemed to be sitting off square. I thought it might be affecting the tilt so I swapped it with one from my old 581. That improved things quite a bit. Then I went through the manual calibration procedures from the beginning at checked every setting that I could. In the process some of the trimpots seemed tight so I applied some deoxit to them. After several goes at it the calibration came right again. I thought I had messed it up completely so I am very relieved! Thanks for your suggestion which got me going. David >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:18:01 +0000 >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: davidt124 at internode.on.net >Message-ID: <090420070118.674.46DCB249000509BE000002A222165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908 at com cast.net> >Hi, David: >I had the exact same problem with my ZX-9. In my case, the left channel was noticeably lower than the right, both in sound level and on the meters. >It turned out that my Tape/Source monitor switch had a bit of dirt in it. >I flipped the switch back and forth a few times and BINGO! Both levels are exactly the same now. >You might try the same thing. I couldn't hurt! :-) >As added insurance, I opened up the deck a couple of weeks later and blasted a bit of contact cleaner into the body of the switch. >Good Luck, >*andy* From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Sep 5 14:51:45 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:51:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: Tom After deciding to keep the Cassette Deck 1 and swap it with the old 581, I connected it to the vintage Luxman receiver R-1050 which the wife uses. There it sounded so much louder than with the Luxman A-371 amp that I use. So I adjusted the playback levels back to the 500mV specified in the manual. It sounds pretty good in that setup. I was surprised by the different amp sensitivities. David >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:11:55 -0500 >From: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I hope you marked the play back level controls. You need to return them to their original position! Otherwise your Dolby tapes will playback significantly brighter. You may have your deck modified to raise the line >output level so 0Vu = 1 volt rather than 0.7 volts. >Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >Behalf Of David Thompson >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 1 >Jeff and Bob >Thanks for your comments on the Cassette Deck 1. >I have been doing some comparisons and boosted the internal playback levels of CD1 to max. The Cassette Deck 1 compares pretty well to the 582 but I like more user adjustability. In the end I am a user rather than a collector >and decided to list the surplus one to recoup some of a big outlay on the ZX-9. The wife uses the 581 for playback and I have two great decks to play and record with. Good enough for me! >David From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 5 16:45:36 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:45:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? In-Reply-To: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Ashland Ohio? Ashland Kentucky? Ashland Mass? Not a well known town name Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? Any Naktalkers live around Ashland (USA)? Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Sep 5 20:05:03 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:05:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? In-Reply-To: <000e01c7ef3b$613fd270$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> References: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> <000e01c7ef3b$613fd270$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> Message-ID: <46DEEFCF.5010608@xs4all.nl> That's me ignorant European... it's Ashland 97520 OR I'm aquiring because someone from there made a hardware donation to naks.com. Wouter Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Wouter, > > In which state? There's at least one in each of Massachusetts, Oregon, and > Ohio. If Massachusetts, I'm not overly far away and Ron would be even > closer. > > From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 20:34:11 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:34:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? In-Reply-To: <46DEEFCF.5010608@xs4all.nl> References: <46DDCD9F.2090208@xs4all.nl> <000e01c7ef3b$613fd270$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> <46DEEFCF.5010608@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Sort of a reversal of roles - it's usually the ignorant American that's at fault :). Can't help you though - Oregon is a pretty long drive from Massachusetts. Geoff On 9/5/07, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > That's me ignorant European... it's Ashland 97520 OR > I'm aquiring because someone from there made a hardware donation to > naks.com. > Wouter > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > Wouter, > > > > In which state? There's at least one in each of Massachusetts, Oregon, > and > > Ohio. If Massachusetts, I'm not overly far away and Ron would be even > > closer. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Sep 5 21:46:44 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:46:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? Message-ID: <18466631.1189021604729.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Wouter, It's Ashland, Oregon 97520 go to www.usps.com and on the upper left is a link for zipcodes. USPS = United States Postal Service ---- Wouter Heijke wrote: > That's me ignorant European... it's Ashland 97520 OR > I'm aquiring because someone from there made a hardware donation to > naks.com. > Wouter > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > Wouter, > > > > In which state? There's at least one in each of Massachusetts, Oregon, and > > Ohio. If Massachusetts, I'm not overly far away and Ron would be even > > closer. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From thepieboy at comcast.net Wed Sep 5 20:34:33 2007 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:34:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ashland anyone? Message-ID: <090520071834.25782.46DEF6B900004281000064B6221652796697010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> Hi Wouter, I'm about 3 hours north of Ashland, Oregon. I travel to Ashland every few weeks for my job. Best regards, John Derven Eugene, Oregon USA -------------- Original message -------------- From: Wouter Heijke > That's me ignorant European... it's Ashland 97520 OR > I'm aquiring because someone from there made a hardware donation to > naks.com. > Wouter > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > Wouter, > > > > In which state? There's at least one in each of Massachusetts, Oregon, and > > Ohio. If Massachusetts, I'm not overly far away and Ron would be even > > closer. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthrite at gn.apc.org Wed Sep 5 23:10:28 2007 From: earthrite at gn.apc.org (earthrite at gn.apc.org) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:10:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] tape preservation !! Not for people of a nervous disposition In-Reply-To: <200709031000.l83A0gll031412@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709031000.l83A0gll031412@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All I have been very busy over summer helping launch my better halfs next one person show ..tomorrow (phew) so havent posted at all for 3 months Anyway I fell over this page and thought it would arouse some interest. All the best bro's and sister (s) :-) ian scotland Baking Tapes by Pat Kirtley PainPete at aol.com wrote: This problem can occur under certain circumstances even with well-adjusted machines and high quality tapes. But there is a lot of tape made in the mid and late 70's that is now shedding like crazy due to binder formulation problems. That's a widespread problem. I'm not advocating this, but I've heard anecdotal evidence that with old reel tapes with this problem, baking them (yes! in the oven!) stabilized the binder enough to make a transfer to newer tape. Time and/or temperature information is missing from this story, but I bet it's well below what's required to melt plastic!> and Kim Corbet wrote: ...okay, this sounded bizarre when I first heard about it, but I believe Bruce Richardson (73422.3357 at compuserv.com) had a recent studio project where he had to salvage an archive of ancient tapes and used a, get this, baking process in his kitchen oven...that somehow re-applied the material to the tape. I don't know temps or other details, but I'm sure he'd be happy to share his family recipe. Yes! I've heard of this technique before too. I believe the method was originated by an archivist at the Library of Congress. I went searching on the web for references and found this at: http://sul-server-2.stanford.edu/byauth/wheeler/wheeler2.html "Regardless of what format is used, the following are the most common tape problems: 1. Sticky residue or powder on tape, which makes it difficult to play the tape. 2. Binder degradation (oxide flaking off the basefilm). 3. Physical damage due to poor tape recorder maintenance. The sticky-tape / -powder problem can be temporarily relieved by baking the tape for at least eight hours at 55°C (130°F), and an extreme case may require 18 to 24 hours. A convection oven is recommended for this procedure. This heating process makes the tape usable for a few weeks and can be repeated many times. I recommend copying any tapes that develop this problem because their long-term durability is questionable. The second problem, binder degradation, can sometimes be reversed by storing the tapes in a cold and dry environment for a couple of weeks. The third problem of tape damage is usually caused by one edge of the tape being curled and is the result of an improperly aligned tape transport. A severe case of edge damage, pleating, or creasing is usually difficult to play, but I have developed a method of correcting the problem so that the tape is at least playable..." The rest of the article at the web site is interesting, and there is also another good article at: http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/cpa/reports/sound.html entitled "The Care and Handling of Recorded Sound Materials," by Music Division, National Library Of Canada. I would caution that this drying method appears to be workable for polyester-, etc., based tape formulations from the 70's and 80's, but for tapes made before the mid 60's, which use an acetate base, baking and drying could cause severe tape breakage problems. Hope this helps! More articles by Pat Kirtley: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 02:39:48 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <604363.44703.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi!! So this is my first nakamichi. I have several other decks. So basically I got this nakamichi 1000 last week and was so excited and hooked it up and to be honest this nak doesn't sound very good. It' looks great and technically plays perfect. but the sound it produces is neither warm nor musically appealing. So I am wondering if there is something wrong with it. I mean it's old from the late 70's so maybe the circuts and stuff inside are just old and not producing the sound it's supposed to anymore. Since i never heard a nakamichi before i have nothing to compare it to besides my other decks which sound better. any help or tip or sugestions would be greatly appreciated. things i have already done. cleaned the heads, and everything else you clean. downloaded the manual and using the 400 hz test tone calibrated all the levels. adjusted the recording and playback head azimuth. no i have it out of the wooden enclosure right now and noticed some dust so i just blew everything out with compressed air from a can and played around with bias screws. i talked to the owner of http://www.eslabs.com/ today and he said to get rid of it not worth fixing and gave me some newer models i could look at purchasing. but this deck is pretty sweet! and is fully fuctional except doesn't sound 100 percent. thanks guys Jay --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! 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That's what the material I'm working with was recorded on. I have always heard and read that it is the acetate based tapes that are most subject to this kind of deterioration and that the "baking" process will work on them, but that it will only "fix" them for a playing or two- long enough to preserve them to new media. I've actually heard that this process does not work so well for the mylar or plastic based reels, but since I've never had a problem with them, I don't know if that's true. The mylar and plastic based reel tape has held up amazingly well. They still play well, and I have run into no problems with oxide shedding or binder problems. Both high quality Scotch Brand was used, and lower quality brands like Shamrock, in both 1200' and 1800' lengths. The only tape that I have heard of that had a binder problem in the 1970s was a batch of TDK cassette tape. And it was the early 1970s, not the mid-late 1970s that this batch of tape was manufactured. I don't know if this also applied to any reel tape made at that time. We have run into a batch of TDK cassette tape made in the early 1970s that began shedding oxide like crazy due to a problem with the binder formulation or application during manufacture. I forget when the problem became apparent, but TDK did offer to replace any of the bad tape with new cassettes and made good on their offer. The problem was bad enough that it made the tapes virtually unplayable and could really gunk up the heads on a tape deck in a matter of seconds. Fortunately these masters were copied early on to other tapes, both reel and cassette, that didn't have that problem, so the material was not lost. I don't know if the "baking" process would have worked on these cassettes, because fortunately I never had to try it. I think you'd have to be very careful and diligent in trying the baking process, because such a low temperature as 130 degrees F. over several hours time would be rather difficult to maintain consistently in a regular oven. Probably take a little special rigging up to get it to be reliable. Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the topic. A bit off topic for Naktalk perhaps, but an interesting topic (to me at least). I'll have to check out the other articles and the Library of Canada info. earthrite at gn.apc.org wrote: > Hi All I have been very busy over summer helping launch my > better halfs next one person show ..tomorrow (phew) so > havent posted at all for 3 months Anyway I fell over this > page and thought it would arouse some interest. All the best > bro's and sister (s) :-) ian scotland Baking Tapes by Pat > KirtleyPainPete at aol.com wrote: This problem can occur under > certain circumstances even with well-adjusted machines and > high quality tapes. But there is a lot of tape made in the > mid and late 70's that is now shedding like crazy due to > binder formulation problems. That's a widespread problem. > I'm not advocating this, but I've heard anecdotal > evidence that with old reel tapes with this problem, baking > them (yes! in the oven!) stabilized the binder enough to > make a transfer to newer tape. Time and/or temperature > information is missing from this story, but I bet it's well > below what's required to melt plastic!> > > and Kim Corbet wrote: > > ...okay, this sounded bizarre when I first heard about > it, but I believe Bruce Richardson > (73422.3357 at compuserv.com) had a recent studio project where > he had to salvage an archive of ancient tapes and used a, > get this, baking process in his kitchen oven...that somehow > re-applied the material to the tape. I don't know temps or > other details, but I'm sure he'd be happy to share his > family recipe. > > Yes! I've heard of this technique before too. I believe > the method was originated by an archivist at the Library of > Congress. I went searching on the web for references and > found this at: > http://sul-server-2.stanford.edu/byauth/wheeler/wheeler2.html > > "Regardless of what format is used, the following are > the most common tape problems: > > 1. Sticky residue or powder on tape, which makes it > difficult to play the tape. > > 2. Binder degradation (oxide flaking off the > basefilm). > > 3. Physical damage due to poor tape recorder > maintenance. > > The sticky-tape / -powder problem can be temporarily > relieved by baking the tape for at least eight hours at 55°C > (130°F), and an extreme case may require 18 to 24 hours. A > convection oven is recommended for this procedure. This > heating process makes the tape usable for a few weeks and > can be repeated many times. I recommend copying any tapes > that develop this problem because their long-term durability > is questionable. > > The second problem, binder degradation, can sometimes be > reversed by storing the tapes in a cold and dry environment > for a couple of weeks. The third problem of tape damage is > usually caused by one edge of the tape being curled and is > the result of an improperly aligned tape transport. A > severe case of edge damage, pleating, or creasing is usually > difficult to play, but I have developed a method of > correcting the problem so that the tape is at least > playable..." > > The rest of the article at the web site is interesting, and > there is also another good article at: > http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/cpa/reports/sound.html > entitled "The Care and Handling of Recorded Sound > Materials," by Music Division, National Library Of Canada. > > I would caution that this drying method appears to be > workable for polyester-, etc., based tape formulations from > the 70's and 80's, but for tapes made before the mid 60's, > which use an acetate base, baking and drying could cause > severe tape breakage problems. Hope this helps! > > More articles by Pat Kirtley: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 14:05:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:05:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <090620071205.26605.46DFECF0000A9337000067ED22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Jason: You said that you cleaned the heads on the Nakamichi 1000....did you also _demagnetize_ the heads? Magnetized heads are the main cause of a deck sounding dull. Make sure you thoroughly demagnetize the heads and ALL metal parts in the tape path. What other decks do you have? *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Thu Sep 6 14:53:20 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <604363.44703.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <879223.14248.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jay: I do not own a 1000 but I do have a 700. It is as old as yours ( came out at around the same time in the early 70's ) and to my old ears my 700 still sound pretty good. It is possible that yours may need some kind of service to bring it back to specification ( parts change and TLC ). It is really hard to determine whether to fix up an old deck. The cost to fix it easily cost more than what the deck worth. It is really up to how much you like the deck. Jeff of ESL has a point. With the amount of money you might need to spend to fix up the 1000, there is definitely quite a number of modern Naks that would outperform the 1000 and cost less to purchase. The Nak 1000 is a classic piece of audio equipment though. This is your call. I recently spent closed to $200 ( including shipping ) to fix a HITACHI DE-99 deck ( Thanks Tom B. ) which only costs me $5. The deck definitely does not worth $200 to others but to me this deck looks special and I like to get it fix and listen to it. Hope this help. Best Regards, Mike Jason Rhamy wrote: hi!! So this is my first nakamichi. I have several other decks. So basically I got this nakamichi 1000 last week and was so excited and hooked it up and to be honest this nak doesn't sound very good. It' looks great and technically plays perfect. but the sound it produces is neither warm nor musically appealing. So I am wondering if there is something wrong with it. I mean it's old from the late 70's so maybe the circuts and stuff inside are just old and not producing the sound it's supposed to anymore. Since i never heard a nakamichi before i have nothing to compare it to besides my other decks which sound better. any help or tip or sugestions would be greatly appreciated. things i have already done. cleaned the heads, and everything else you clean. downloaded the manual and using the 400 hz test tone calibrated all the levels. adjusted the recording and playback head azimuth. no i have it out of the wooden enclosure right now and noticed some dust so i just blew everything out with compressed air from a can and played around with bias screws. i talked to the owner of http://www.eslabs.com/ today and he said to get rid of it not worth fixing and gave me some newer models i could look at purchasing. but this deck is pretty sweet! and is fully fuctional except doesn't sound 100 percent. thanks guys Jay --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 15:05:42 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:05:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals Message-ID: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. The manuals are for the following units: -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me about the auction for this! -- TA-4A Receiver Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and assemble them into a PDF file? I would very much appreciate any help with this! *andy* From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Sep 6 15:27:56 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:27:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SP-7 Message-ID: <001501c7f089$bc4dce70$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> I discovered that the two of the screws (the smaller ones) that hold the metal bridge of the SP-7 headphones attached to the plastic part are missing. Does anyone has a set or knows the exact size or where I can find them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 6 16:29:05 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:29:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Info on Nak 250 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have the manual. There were 2 power plugs. The DIN was the standard plug, and worked with an external14 Volt power supply Nak provided. The second plug was a white molex connector for car installation, and interface with the ADS 2002 speaker system. I could build cables for you if needed. The 350 manual will be identical as far as power is concerned. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Fred Lifton Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 1:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Info on Nak 250 Hi Nakkers, Back after a long lurk. Hope all of you are well. I'm starting to restore a 250 and am looking for the service manual. Anyone have a copy? I'm also curious about the cables for the power supply, a brick- type and a DIN plug. Why two? What's the difference? Has anyone made any cables recently who could recommend parts? As you can see, I've been gone a while, but I haven't gotten any smarter. cheers, Fred ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Sep 6 19:20:04 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:20:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: > hi!! So this is my first nakamichi. I have several other decks. So > basically I got this nakamichi 1000 last week and was so excited > and hooked it up and to be honest this nak doesn't sound very good. > It' looks great and technically plays perfect. but the sound it > produces is neither warm nor musically appealing. So I am wondering > if there is something wrong with it. I mean it's old from the late > 70's so maybe the circuts and stuff inside are just old and not > producing the sound it's supposed to anymore. Since i never heard a > nakamichi before i have nothing to compare it to besides my other > decks which sound better. any help or tip or sugestions would be > greatly appreciated. > things i have already done. cleaned the heads, and everything > else you clean. downloaded the manual and using the 400 hz test > tone calibrated all the levels. adjusted the recording and playback > head azimuth. no i have it out of the wooden enclosure right now > and noticed some dust so i just blew everything out with compressed > air from a can and played around with bias screws. i talked to the > owner of http://www.eslabs.com/ today and he said to get rid of it > not worth fixing and gave me some newer models i could look at > purchasing. but this deck is pretty sweet! and is fully fuctional > except doesn't sound 100 percent. > thanks guys > Jay Playback azimuth isn't normally "user adjustable" on this deck; requires special tapes. There are other adjustments which might have to be done if that was the case; how did you do this? Same with bias adjustments. Also, warm is kind of subjective; if you're used to a "warm colored" deck then maybe a "more accurate" one won't sound better to you. Without doing a full check with the proper tapes, gauges, and measurements, though, it's probably not fair to judge the whole brand or even all the 1000s by it. 400 Hz level is only a tiny bit of what needs to be checked although that is a start. If you read here you'll find many if not most decks people get from the various 2nd hand market sources aren't in great shape. The "it cost more than it's worth" is sort of a misnomer. You can have a car that putting gas in (especially today) is "more than the car is worth"--does that mean you go get a new car rather than filling the tank? That said, at least at this point you probably don't want to get it fixed the way Jeff would, which is a complete rebuild to make it like new--I understand he can do it well, but that is indeed probably overkill for what you want. My personal allowance for any Nak I wanted to "have someone fix" is about $300 assuming no "major" issues (there are some issues in more complicated decks that can look more major than they are; I am not ruling out those. Just my rule of thumb.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Thu Sep 6 17:23:08 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:23:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals In-Reply-To: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: hi andy i can make high quality PDF's of any JPEG scans - i've got all the software and web storage space - i'm a designer and IT tech when I'm not fiddling with my Naks... I live in the UK though - lots of JPEG scans will be big - in fact JPEG is not the best file type for black and white scans - it's better to use TIF or GIF... another way you might be able to use is some of the newer colour photocopier's / digital printers can automatically scan to PDF. These also usually have A4 sheet feeders so it would just be a case of disassembling the manual if it's ring bound and feeding it into the machine - very quick - If you've got one of these at work or a friend who has this would definately be the easiest way.. I have the 700 II original service manual and have scanned a couple of pages but not got around to doing the whole lot - it's alot of work with a cheap A4 scanner - and then you've got the problem of the big pull outs.. cheers adrian On 6 Sep 2007, at 14:05, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals and > I want to share them with others for downloading. I have never > seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. > > The manuals are for the following units: > > -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me about > the auction for this! > > -- TA-4A Receiver > > Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF > files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. > > Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and > assemble them into a PDF file? > > I would very much appreciate any help with this! > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 18:06:53 2007 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:06:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] tape preservation !! Not for people of a nervousdisposition In-Reply-To: <46DFE3C0.EB7AC893@warwick.net> References: <200709031000.l83A0gll031412@zxe.naks.com> <46DFE3C0.EB7AC893@warwick.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110709060906j719dc5c6gb4f2800975a152bb@mail.gmail.com> There was an excellent article on the care of recorded sound materials posted on the reel to reel mailing list recently, if you haven't read it I _highly_ recommend it: http://www.vinylengine.com/recordcare.shtml -Tim From tomas at tlec.se Thu Sep 6 21:45:21 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:45:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals In-Reply-To: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy. Do Hi-res TIFF instead, when you are don drop me a mail at Tomas at ebaman.com and I'll have it sorted. Then i'll put them on my site www.ebaman.com together with the rest of the NAK-manuals I have. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > > > I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service > manuals and I want to share them with others for downloading. > I have never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. > > The manuals are for the following units: > > -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me > about the auction for this! > > -- TA-4A Receiver > > Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate > PDF files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. > > Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and > assemble them into a PDF file? > > I would very much appreciate any help with this! > > > *andy* > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 22:14:08 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals In-Reply-To: <090620071305.2971.46DFFB260002DE1800000B9B22165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <475848.33364.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_1000zxl_service_manual.htm here is a link where you can view alot of service manuals. i am sure alot of people would find this useful! Jay hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. The manuals are for the following units: -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me about the auction for this! -- TA-4A Receiver Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and assemble them into a PDF file? I would very much appreciate any help with this! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would take a look if i can import jpg to pdf but the acrobat software normaly scans into a pdf file. lets keep in contact Another question : do we have members with a zx7 service manual in pdf format? I would much appreciate. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Rhamy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_1000zxl_service_manual.htm here is a link where you can view alot of service manuals. i am sure alot of people would find this useful! Jay hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. The manuals are for the following units: -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me about the auction for this! -- TA-4A Receiver Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and assemble them into a PDF file? I would very much appreciate any help with this! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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In > the past several people scanned a lot of maunals for the Nak owners and > these manuals do we found on several places on the web. > I would take a look if i can import jpg to pdf but the acrobat software > normaly scans into a pdf file. > > lets keep in contact > > > Another question : do we have members with a zx7 service manual in pdf > format? I would much appreciate. I have the ZX9 service manual. There's some similarity to the ZX7. 3.6MB. -- Ron > > Regards Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jason Rhamy > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > > http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_1000zxl_service_manual.htm > here is a link where you can view alot of service manuals. i am sure > alot of people would find this useful! > Jay > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net /* wrote: > > > I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals > and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have > never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. > > The manuals are for the following units: > > -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me > about the auction for this! > > -- TA-4A Receiver > > Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF > files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. > > Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and > assemble them into a PDF file? > > I would very much appreciate any help with this! > > > *andy* > From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 7 00:12:37 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <450333.70286.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey thanks for your input. I'm not really sure if there is anything wrong with the deck. I was looking for a service center that could calibrate it and adjust the azmuith using all the tapes as you mentioned. I meen technically it plays and records fine. I just don't like the sound it is reproducing. sounds real flat. lacks the "airy" ness and 3 dimential feel isn't there. if you know what i am trying to say. I never heard any other nakamichi, but i believe it's safe to say they sound better than this particular deck. i am thinking the problem could be more related to to old caps and stuff. The deck is 30 years old and stuff tends to dry out. "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: hi!! So this is my first nakamichi. I have several other decks. So basically I got this nakamichi 1000 last week and was so excited and hooked it up and to be honest this nak doesn't sound very good. It' looks great and technically plays perfect. but the sound it produces is neither warm nor musically appealing. So I am wondering if there is something wrong with it. I mean it's old from the late 70's so maybe the circuts and stuff inside are just old and not producing the sound it's supposed to anymore. Since i never heard a nakamichi before i have nothing to compare it to besides my other decks which sound better. any help or tip or sugestions would be greatly appreciated. things i have already done. cleaned the heads, and everything else you clean. downloaded the manual and using the 400 hz test tone calibrated all the levels. adjusted the recording and playback head azimuth. no i have it out of the wooden enclosure right now and noticed some dust so i just blew everything out with compressed air from a can and played around with bias screws. i talked to the owner of http://www.eslabs.com/ today and he said to get rid of it not worth fixing and gave me some newer models i could look at purchasing. but this deck is pretty sweet! and is fully fuctional except doesn't sound 100 percent. thanks guys Jay Playback azimuth isn't normally "user adjustable" on this deck; requires special tapes. There are other adjustments which might have to be done if that was the case; how did you do this? Same with bias adjustments. Also, warm is kind of subjective; if you're used to a "warm colored" deck then maybe a "more accurate" one won't sound better to you. Without doing a full check with the proper tapes, gauges, and measurements, though, it's probably not fair to judge the whole brand or even all the 1000s by it. 400 Hz level is only a tiny bit of what needs to be checked although that is a start. If you read here you'll find many if not most decks people get from the various 2nd hand market sources aren't in great shape. The "it cost more than it's worth" is sort of a misnomer. You can have a car that putting gas in (especially today) is "more than the car is worth"--does that mean you go get a new car rather than filling the tank? That said, at least at this point you probably don't want to get it fixed the way Jeff would, which is a complete rebuild to make it like new--I understand he can do it well, but that is indeed probably overkill for what you want. My personal allowance for any Nak I wanted to "have someone fix" is about $300 assuming no "major" issues (there are some issues in more complicated decks that can look more major than they are; I am not ruling out those. Just my rule of thumb.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! 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URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri Sep 7 09:35:45 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:35:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals In-Reply-To: <46E0CC3E.5040200@rcn.com> References: <475848.33364.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002201c7f0cf$8af58070$53f66391@a8n32sli> <46E0CC3E.5040200@rcn.com> Message-ID: Please if you have manuals, upload them to my site, www.ebaman.com, so everyone can have access to them With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:58 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > > Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > For making manuals in pdf format i use acrobats dedicated > software. In > > the past several people scanned a lot of maunals for the Nak owners > > and these manuals do we found on several places on the web. > > I would take a look if i can import jpg to pdf but the acrobat > > software normaly scans into a pdf file. > > > > lets keep in contact > > > > > > Another question : do we have members with a zx7 service > manual in pdf > > format? I would much appreciate. > > I have the ZX9 service manual. There's some similarity to the > ZX7. 3.6MB. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Regards Norman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jason Rhamy > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > > > > > http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_1000zxl_servic e_manual.htm > > here is a link where you can view alot of service > manuals. i am sure > > alot of people would find this useful! > > Jay > > > > */hwbosshoss at comcast.net > /* wrote: > > > > > > I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi > service manuals > > and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have > > never seen either of these manuals available online > anywhere. > > > > The manuals are for the following units: > > > > -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member > who told me > > about the auction for this! > > > > -- TA-4A Receiver > > > > Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to > generate PDF > > files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of > the pages. > > > > Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and > > assemble them into a PDF file? > > > > I would very much appreciate any help with this! > > > > > > *andy* > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 7 14:04:51 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:04:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Sharing Service Manuals Message-ID: <090720071204.28881.46E13E63000E129C000070D122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Adrian: I have the ability to save the pages to any file format: TIF, GIF, etc. So I will scan to TIF instead to make things easier for you. Not quite sure what to do about the large pull-out sections. I'll probably have to scan them in sections and then reassemble them in Photoshop. One way or another, I will have these ready for upload, hopefully soon! Thanks for all your help, *andy* From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Fri Sep 7 15:21:39 2007 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andrew Jones) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:21:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Reading: IEC Equalization In-Reply-To: <090620072026.27857.46E062700000C60600006CD122165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001301c7f152$068c2a90$7400a8c0@amdx24400xpc> Good Read! Thanks for sharing -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:26 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Interesting Reading: IEC Equalization http://richardhess.com/notes/2006/05/17/cassette-equalization-the-4-db-ambig uity-at-16-khz/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Sep 7 20:41:44 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:41:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals References: <475848.33364.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002201c7f0cf$8af58070$53f66391@a8n32sli> <46E0CC3E.5040200@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001301c7f17e$bda35600$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi Ron, Thanks for your offer but i have the ZX9 manual. In the past when we scanned manuals i've never found a ZX7 manual so i was curious to know if in the mean time someone scnanned it. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> Hi Andy, >> For making manuals in pdf format i use acrobats dedicated software. In >> the past several people scanned a lot of maunals for the Nak owners and >> these manuals do we found on several places on the web. >> I would take a look if i can import jpg to pdf but the acrobat software >> normaly scans into a pdf file. >> lets keep in contact >> Another question : do we have members with a zx7 service manual in pdf >> format? I would much appreciate. > > I have the ZX9 service manual. There's some similarity > to the ZX7. 3.6MB. > > -- Ron > > >> Regards Norman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jason Rhamy >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:14 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals >> >> >> http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_1000zxl_service_manual.htm >> here is a link where you can view alot of service manuals. i am sure >> alot of people would find this useful! >> Jay >> >> */hwbosshoss at comcast.net /* wrote: >> >> >> I have acquired a couple of original Nakamichi service manuals >> and I want to share them with others for downloading. I have >> never seen either of these manuals available online anywhere. >> >> The manuals are for the following units: >> >> -- 700 Tri-Tracer -- Thanks to the NakTalk member who told me >> about the auction for this! >> >> -- TA-4A Receiver >> >> Because I am computer illiterate, I am not able to generate PDF >> files, but I can make high-resolution JPG scans of the pages. >> >> Is there someone in our community who can take the scans and >> assemble them into a PDF file? >> >> I would very much appreciate any help with this! >> >> >> *andy* >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2510 (20070906) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Sep 8 10:40:39 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:40:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals In-Reply-To: <001301c7f17e$bda35600$53f66391@a8n32sli> References: <475848.33364.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002201c7f0cf$8af58070$53f66391@a8n32sli> <46E0CC3E.5040200@rcn.com> <001301c7f17e$bda35600$53f66391@a8n32sli> Message-ID: <46E26007.9080901@xs4all.nl> Yes, those days.... around 1999/2000, most of them were added! Time for new contributors! Wouter Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi Ron, > > Thanks for your offer but i have the ZX9 manual. In the past when we > scanned manuals i've never found a ZX7 manual so i was curious to know > if in the mean time someone scnanned it. > > Regards Norman From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Sep 8 14:09:38 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:09:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 tones Message-ID: I have been looking into my old 581 problems and first one is that the test tones are not sounding at the output or meters. I have checked IC301 with a signal tracer I bought recently and there is tone at the IC pins and at the tone switch at two points though one is louder than the other. Any suggestions please on where to go next? Thanks David From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 8 14:57:55 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:57:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals Message-ID: <090820071257.16321.46E29C53000278C300003FC122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am also looking for a ZX-7 service manual, just like Norman. I have the ZX-9 manual, which I'm sure will be OK for most things. But it would be nice to get the ZX-7 manual to match my deck! *andy* From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Sep 8 16:23:40 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:23:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals References: <475848.33364.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002201c7f0cf$8af58070$53f66391@a8n32sli> <46E0CC3E.5040200@rcn.com><001301c7f17e$bda35600$53f66391@a8n32sli> <46E26007.9080901@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <005e01c7f223$da5fd840$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi Guys, i found a (payed) site where all the Nakamichi manuals can be downloaded for about 16 dollar in pdf format. http://www.nakamichi.manuals-in-pdf.com/nakamichi-c-107.html I've ordered the ZX7 manual and i will let you know about the quality. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sharing Service Manuals > Yes, those days.... around 1999/2000, most of them were added! > Time for new contributors! > Wouter > > Norman van Wijnen wrote: >> Hi Ron, >> >> Thanks for your offer but i have the ZX9 manual. In the past when we >> scanned manuals i've never found a ZX7 manual so i was curious to know if >> in the mean time someone scnanned it. >> >> Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2514 (20070908) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 8 16:39:18 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:39:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? Message-ID: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 18:30:24 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:30:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 581 tones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You cannot monitor the tones on a 581 or 681, but you can see them on the meters. The tone switch is on the input side. I would check signal at the record level controls first, and then check at the play level control. These are always easy to find. Look at the block diagram for ideas about test points. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of David Thompson Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 581 tones I have been looking into my old 581 problems and first one is that the test tones are not sounding at the output or meters. I have checked IC301 with a signal tracer I bought recently and there is tone at the IC pins and at the tone switch at two points though one is louder than the other. Any suggestions please on where to go next? Thanks David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 8 18:30:25 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: White was the most common. Rare units are wood colored. This may not be true outside the US. Nakamichi had fun with 2 colors for the 600, 480, BX1, BX100. Lee Adams (ex-Nakamichi) has a one of a kind silver 682ZX. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#e bayphotohosting *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 8 18:40:02 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX7 Message-ID: <453445.58180.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After a few hours I will no longer have e-mail so I hope to be back in a few weeks. Will who ever's in charge please take me off this group AFTER today(Saturday September 8). I have a ZX7 in very good condition that I would like to sell for $400.00 US plus shipping from northern california. I haven't used this deck for about 4 months so I will check it out completely in the next couple days. I do not have a manual, remote or box. Victor G on this group installed a new capstan belt several months ago and did an alignment. If any one's interested you can call me at (916)847-0701. Hope to see everyone soon. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Sep 8 19:26:57 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:26:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92900709081026v6e575386wc63e7ed91233e425@mail.gmail.com> The 500 was available with either white formica or wood veneer. I've seen mostly the white ones. Willy On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? > > I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Sep 8 20:54:29 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:54:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900709081026v6e575386wc63e7ed91233e425@mail.gmail.com> References: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4b6f92900709081026v6e575386wc63e7ed91233e425@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy, Andy. I used to sell the 500 when it was new (although it had just been discontinued at the time and replaced with the superior 600). The 500 was equipped with the white Formica sides as the standard model. A walnut wood side panel was a special order option, although I never sold one of these. My 500 has the standard white side panels. On Sep 8, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > The 500 was available with either white formica or wood veneer. > I've seen mostly the white ones. > > Willy > > On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? > > I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting > > > *andy* > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ghannan at emich.edu Sat Sep 8 23:22:13 2007 From: ghannan at emich.edu (Gary Hannan) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:22:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 left channel dead Message-ID: <1737A07D-1D9A-4A59-AD46-2483C8F243A4@emich.edu> I recently powered up my Nak500 to play some old tapes (Pavarotti) and was reminded of a pre-existing problem, or two: Left channel has almost no sound from left speaker. Left meter is fine, showing normal dB levels. Headphones have only right channel coming through, too. I assume it is an amp circuit problem between VU meter and output jacks. Also, after a while, both channels get very quiet, but now both meters show low dB. Turn off power, turn back on, press "play" and levels on both meters back to normal (still very little from left speaker, though). Left speaker is so low that I suspect crosstalk or something. Has anyone had similar problems? I downloaded the schematic, but If someone has experience with this problem that would help pinpoint the circuit problem it would help me immensely. From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 23:40:11 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531348.55961.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey i just saw this on ebay! I thought "did someone paint this white??" Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Willy, Andy. I used to sell the 500 when it was new (although it had just been discontinued at the time and replaced with the superior 600). The 500 was equipped with the white Formica sides as the standard model. A walnut wood side panel was a special order option, although I never sold one of these. My 500 has the standard white side panels. On Sep 8, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: The 500 was available with either white formica or wood veneer. I've seen mostly the white ones. Willy On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting *andy* -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Sep 9 02:30:57 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:30:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 500 left channel dead In-Reply-To: <1737A07D-1D9A-4A59-AD46-2483C8F243A4@emich.edu> References: <1737A07D-1D9A-4A59-AD46-2483C8F243A4@emich.edu> Message-ID: <38ACE434-4438-425F-BB4C-1B415FE86CCB@kvglabs.com> Hi Gary, my first guess is "the usual suspects": dirty card-edge connectors, dirty record/play mode switch. I'd open the 500 up, remove/disconnect all the PC boards and clean the sockets with a good contact cleaner. I'd then clean the rec/play mode switch; exercise the switch after injecting cleaner by operating it a dozen times or so. DO NOT shoot contact cleaner into the linear potentiometers for input level, output level and headphone because you'll more than likely damage them. Exercise the potentiometers by moving them fully each direction twenty times or so. If the potentiometers still cause a problem, unsolder them, carefully disassemble them, renew the carbon track by "painting" it with a #2 graphite pencil, and reassemble the potentiometer. I do not know of a suitable replacement for the potentiometers, but would be thrilled to find one! On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Gary Hannan wrote: > I recently powered up my Nak500 to play some old tapes (Pavarotti) > and was reminded of a pre-existing problem, or two: > > Left channel has almost no sound from left speaker. Left meter is > fine, showing normal dB levels. Headphones have only right channel > coming through, too. I assume it is an amp circuit problem between > VU meter and output jacks. > > Also, after a while, both channels get very quiet, but now both > meters show low dB. Turn off power, turn back on, press "play" and > levels on both meters back to normal (still very little from left > speaker, though). Left speaker is so low that I suspect crosstalk > or something. > > Has anyone had similar problems? I downloaded the schematic, but > If someone has experience with this problem that would help > pinpoint the circuit problem it would help me immensely. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Sep 9 02:31:37 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:31:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: <531348.55961.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <531348.55961.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D1436CF-B375-40A1-B8E1-0E9994DEA31B@kvglabs.com> Hi Jason, Nope, that's how they came from the factory. On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Jason Rhamy wrote: > hey i just saw this on ebay! I thought "did someone paint this > white??" > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Willy, Andy. > > I used to sell the 500 when it was new (although it had just been > discontinued at the time and replaced with the superior 600). The > 500 was equipped with the white Formica sides as the standard > model. A walnut wood side panel was a special order option, > although I never sold one of these. My 500 has the standard white > side panels. > > On Sep 8, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > >> The 500 was available with either white formica or wood veneer. >> I've seen mostly the white ones. >> >> Willy >> >> On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> >> Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? >> >> I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting >> >> >> *andy* >> > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 09:11:15 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay Message-ID: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So this guy is selling a nakamichi 1000 II for $1,200.00!!??!! When I talked to eslabs the other day they told me my nakamichi 1000 is worth/sells for 100-200 dollars. And I looked up the 1000 II and it is in roughly the same price range. So where's this guy come up with 1,200??? I wrote him and asked him? plus told him everything i just told you guys. The deck looks to be in the same exact condition as mine. . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320144535764&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 here is a price list page http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/index.html. Maybe i am wrong and the deck is worth 1,200??? But if I am right, and this guy is trying to rip someone off. I feel us Nak folks have an obligation to call this guy out if this is the case. so if you feel he is being shady. send him a mesage on ebay. let him know. Thanks Jay --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 22:44:32 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:44:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10709091344p45ff215aj4176debbd3eda524@mail.gmail.com> The guy is trying to sell a Nak 1000 II for $1200 on ebay, not by holding someone at gunpoint - so what if he finds a chump to pay that much ? We cannot be ebay police, whoever buys there does so at own risk - I would expect someone going for such an item to do their research - just as you have. Skimming through the seller's feedback I don't think there will be any sensible response to any messages we send - after all, if item is as described, there's nothing wrong with asking whatever price the seller deems reasonable. If someone wants to pay the price, there's not much we can do, it's a free market. George On 9/9/07, Jason Rhamy wrote: > So this guy is selling a nakamichi 1000 II for $1,200.00!!??!! When I > talked to eslabs the other day they told me my nakamichi 1000 is worth/sells > for 100-200 dollars. And I looked up the 1000 II and it is in roughly the > same price range. So where's this guy come up with 1,200??? I wrote him and > asked him? plus told him everything i just told you guys. The deck looks to > be in the same exact condition as mine. . > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320144535764&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 > > here is a price list page > http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/index.html. Maybe i > am wrong and the deck is worth 1,200??? But if I am right, and this guy is > trying to rip someone off. I feel us Nak folks have an obligation to call > this guy out if this is the case. so if you feel he is being shady. send him > a mesage on ebay. let him know. > Thanks > Jay > > > ________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 01:47:45 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay References: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is absolutely dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If you want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff outside of ebay, which is against the rules: "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette Decks sell for $19.99" Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - this is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open ended and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From: "Jason Rhamy" > So this guy is selling a nakamichi 1000 II for $1,200.00!!??!! When I talked to > eslabs the other day they told me my nakamichi 1000 is worth/sells for 100-200 > dollars. And I looked up the 1000 II and it is in roughly the same price range. So > where's this guy come up with 1,200??? I wrote him and asked him? plus told > him everything i just told you guys. The deck looks to be in the same exact > condition as mine. . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320144535764&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 > > here is a price list page http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/index.html. > Maybe i am wrong and the deck is worth 1,200??? But if I am right, and this > guy is trying to rip someone off. I feel us Nak folks have an obligation to call > this guy out if this is the case. so if you feel he is being shady. send him a mesage > on ebay. let him know. > Thanks > Jay From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 15:08:49 2007 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <845185.63424.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> It looks like the guy has too many tape decks and his wife has instructed him to dismantle the collection. What better way to keep the collection than charging an inordinate amount of money for your decks? If some sucker wants to shell out that kind of money for a used tape deck, he probably A) doesn't have to worry about money or B) is bound to get ripped off regardless. Just my 2 pennies. -Jesse --- Jason Rhamy wrote: > So this guy is selling a nakamichi 1000 II for > $1,200.00!!??!! When I talked to eslabs the other > day they told me my nakamichi 1000 is worth/sells > for 100-200 dollars. And I looked up the 1000 II and > it is in roughly the same price range. So where's > this guy come up with 1,200??? I wrote him and asked > him? plus told him everything i just told you guys. > The deck looks to be in the same exact condition as > mine. . > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320144535764&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 > > here is a price list page > http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/index.html. > Maybe i am wrong and the deck is worth 1,200??? But > if I am right, and this guy is trying to rip someone > off. I feel us Nak folks have an obligation to call > this guy out if this is the case. so if you feel he > is being shady. send him a mesage on ebay. let him > know. > Thanks > Jay > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Sep 10 14:04:41 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 8:04:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay Message-ID: <6019217.1189425881575.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Jesse, The fact that his wife wants him to dismantle his collection is a BS selling point as old as dirt. You see the same reason for a guy who has to sell his boat, car, motorcycles, jet skis, etc,... Now, take the innocent seller who just needs money. He searches eBay to see what other Nakamichi 1000 II are being auctioned and voila!!! He now thinks his deck is in so rare and in demand that he places his 1000 II for $1100 thinking he'll get a quick sale. I see this type of seller on eBay all the time and I get very disgusted with their attitudes. Just because they can screw someone doesn't mean they should. ---- jesse ruff wrote: > It looks like the guy has too many tape decks and his > wife has instructed him to dismantle the collection. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 15:47:18 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <6019217.1189425881575.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <183545.52795.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do not see any buyer - just buys stuff for 1000$ without researching or without any reason. If he does, he deserves the item he pays. I actually see many ebay buyers are more aware of rip offs now than just two years back. i also see arrogant sellers ( who try to sell Broken CR 7 for more than 600 $ when you can buy a working one for less than that price Dragon is the only machine tha gets good buyer response when it comes to spending above 500$ range. Only the other Nak getting some crazy bidding is ZX 9 ( i do not see why it should sell for the prices ) but prbably it is rare to see ZX 9. I have not seen any such crazy buyers for Model 1000, and this will go without any buyer. However I should say that one great turkish seller repeatedly tries to sell his wares for fantastic prices manytimes over. he must have lost lot of money to ebay listing fees ! Kannan Roland wrote: Jesse, The fact that his wife wants him to dismantle his collection is a BS selling point as old as dirt. You see the same reason for a guy who has to sell his boat, car, motorcycles, jet skis, etc,... Now, take the innocent seller who just needs money. He searches eBay to see what other Nakamichi 1000 II are being auctioned and voila!!! He now thinks his deck is in so rare and in demand that he places his 1000 II for $1100 thinking he'll get a quick sale. I see this type of seller on eBay all the time and I get very disgusted with their attitudes. Just because they can screw someone doesn't mean they should. ---- jesse ruff wrote: > It looks like the guy has too many tape decks and his > wife has instructed him to dismantle the collection. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Mon Sep 10 16:00:15 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:00:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <183545.52795.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <183545.52795.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8404FF17-7E49-4812-8700-AFCE8411B0BF@thegreatbear.net> I've always wondered about that ebay method of starting the prices very very high for rare items. I've noticed the Turkish seller has a shop - apparently listing fees if you are a business seller with a shop are very low - hence the practice of relisting with a hope that someone somewhere will want it. I"ve a friend who makes a living selling records in eBay and you see this practice from the larger record dealers quite a lot - and it sometimes pays off.. adrian On 10 Sep 2007, at 14:47, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > I do not see any buyer - just buys stuff for 1000$ without > researching or without any reason. > If he does, he deserves the item he pays. I actually see many ebay > buyers are more aware of rip offs now than just two years back. i > also see arrogant sellers ( who try to sell Broken CR 7 for more > than 600 $ when you can buy a working one for less than that price > Dragon is the only machine tha gets good buyer response when it > comes to spending above 500$ range. Only the other Nak getting some > crazy bidding is ZX 9 ( i do not see why it should sell for the > prices ) but prbably it is rare to see ZX 9. > > I have not seen any such crazy buyers for Model 1000, and this will > go without any buyer. However I should say that one great turkish > seller repeatedly tries to sell his wares for fantastic prices > manytimes over. he must have lost lot of money to ebay listing fees ! > Kannan > > > > Roland wrote: > Jesse, > > The fact that his wife wants him to dismantle his collection is a > BS selling point as old as dirt. You see the same reason for a guy > who has to sell his boat, car, motorcycles, jet skis, etc,... > > Now, take the innocent seller who just needs money. He searches > eBay to see what other Nakamichi 1000 II are being auctioned and > voila!!! He now thinks his deck is in so rare and in demand that he > places his 1000 II for $1100 thinking he'll get a quick sale. > > I see this type of seller on eBay all the time and I get very > disgusted with their attitudes. Just because they can screw someone > doesn't mean they should. > > ---- jesse ruff wrote: > > It looks like the guy has too many tape decks and his > > wife has instructed him to dismantle the collection. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos > new Car Finder tool. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Sep 10 18:52:54 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:52:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices Message-ID: <000801c7f3cb$0867cec0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> This discusion about ebay sellers trying to rip off people made me think that maybe some of us (I am one of us) do not know the going prices for the decks we so much love. As a result we might end up paying far too much for something worth less. I remember that long ago there used to be a price list of the Nakamichi decks on the naktalk site. What happened to it? Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 Are these prices reasonable? Btw what would be a reasonable price for a 100% perfectly working CR-7? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 10 21:13:23 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:13:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices In-Reply-To: <000801c7f3cb$0867cec0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: Ebay prices have more to do with the ads' presentation, the units' condition, and the seller's reputation than any absolute based on model numbers. One NakTalker uses a very sensible approach to ebay Naks...he budgets 1/2 of the price for repairs. Some decks are great, but the current reality is that most will need some level of service. NakTalk is a wonderful resource to estimate repair cost or find DIY information. For those that can change belts and tires ebay are a fair, however those with "two left thumbs" might find the prices unreasonable. Shipping and technical service is both expensive and slow! What we can advise is which models are likely to need service, and which models have a chance of working a few years without service. A ZX7 with belts replaced 5 years ago is probably fine. An operating 1000 would be the same, but a 1000 that has sat unused for many years will probably need expensive work. Dragons are the touchstone Nakamichi, and typically sell for $ 375-600. The chances are very good that the Dragon will need some service (at 50% 180-300), because it is a complex machine. One broad view is that an expensive ebay deck and an expensive repair are often less than the retail price of that Nakamichi when it was new. You have to realize some value in any purchase. A deck that you use daily is worth much more than one that sits in the closet as an "extra". Yes $1200 for a 1000 is too much money. However, if it was an ESL restored 1000, it would be a bargain! Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:53 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices This discusion about ebay sellers trying to rip off people made me think that maybe some of us (I am one of us) do not know the going prices for the decks we so much love. As a result we might end up paying far too much for something worth less. I remember that long ago there used to be a price list of the Nakamichi decks on the naktalk site. What happened to it? Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 Are these prices reasonable? Btw what would be a reasonable price for a 100% perfectly working CR-7? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 04:02:49 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:02:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nice ZX-7 Auction Message-ID: <091120070202.13477.46E5F749000023A9000034A522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Here is another clean ZX-7 for sale, with a Buy It Now price that is pretty reasonable, considering how incredible this deck is. No, I'm not the one selling this deck, and I don't know the seller. I would NEVER sell my ZX-7! :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-7-CASSETTE-DECK-VINTAGE_W0QQitemZ180158408894QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 04:06:52 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:06:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage Message-ID: <091120070206.1197.46E5F83C000311E0000004AD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> When I bought my ZX-7, I was very pleased to see that it had switchable mains voltage. I plan to relocate to the UK someday, and this feature will come in very handy indeed. I have noticed that just about every other ZX-7 I have seen for sale also has switchable mains voltage on it. In fact, I can't recall ever seeing a ZX-7 with non-switchable mains voltage. Was switchable voltage standard on the ZX-7? If it was, why? Was it standard on any other Nakamichi decks that were made after the 700 and 1000 Tri-Tracers? *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 05:18:17 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:18:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ESR Tester Recommendations? Message-ID: <091120070318.16420.46E608F90001417A0000402422165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have a VERY sick CR-7A that I am trying to diagnose. I have discussed this deck here before. It looks like I'm going to have to do a fair amount of circuit tracing, and I was wondering if I should acquire an ESR tester to add to my workbench. Does anyone recommend a particular model? As you may or may not recall, this CR-7A has blown both of the 2.5amp, 250 volt fuses on the power supply board, causing many functions of the deck, including the tape transport, to be completely dead. It looks like my job is to find out where the 16.5 volt circuit has shorted out, and to do that I'll need all the tools I can get! *andy* From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 22:32:47 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices In-Reply-To: <000801c7f3cb$0867cec0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <660764.79753.qm@web35111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi jannis when i posted that bulliten i included a website with current price list of most nak models. are you looking at purchasing a CR-7? This discusion about ebay sellers trying to rip off people made me think that maybe some of us (I am one of us) do not know the going prices for the decks we so much love. As a result we might end up paying far too much for something worth less. I remember that long ago there used to be a price list of the Nakamichi decks on the naktalk site. What happened to it? Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 Are these prices reasonable? Btw what would be a reasonable price for a 100% perfectly working rec.audio.marketplace? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 06:08:09 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ESR Tester Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <091120070318.16420.46E608F90001417A0000402422165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <269570.37575.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have this one. http://www.flippers.com/esrktmtr.html It's not that expensive and works well. It won't help you find your short on the 16.5V rail though. You'll need a standard Ohm meter for that. It does work great at finding capacitors with high ESR which otherwise test Ok. SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have a VERY sick CR-7A that I am trying to diagnose. I have discussed this deck here before. It looks like I'm going to have to do a fair amount of circuit tracing, and I was wondering if I should acquire an ESR tester to add to my workbench. Does anyone recommend a particular model? As you may or may not recall, this CR-7A has blown both of the 2.5amp, 250 volt fuses on the power supply board, causing many functions of the deck, including the tape transport, to be completely dead. It looks like my job is to find out where the 16.5 volt circuit has shorted out, and to do that I'll need all the tools I can get! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Tue Sep 11 09:07:14 2007 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:07:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices References: <660764.79753.qm@web35111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701c7f442$6201c310$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Thanks Jason No, I dont want a third CR-7. I want to know what I may ask for selling one of mine so that I can purchase a ZX-9 or a dragon instead. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Rhamy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] going/gone prices hi jannis when i posted that bulliten i included a website with current price list of most nak models. are you looking at purchasing a CR-7? This discusion about ebay sellers trying to rip off people made me think that maybe some of us (I am one of us) do not know the going prices for the decks we so much love. As a result we might end up paying far too much for something worth less. I remember that long ago there used to be a price list of the Nakamichi decks on the naktalk site. What happened to it? Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 Are these prices reasonable? 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URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 09:48:18 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices In-Reply-To: <003701c7f442$6201c310$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <402910.62073.qm@web35109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> oh hahaha I would ask the other guys in the group. but my friend andy just sent me a link to a cr-7 on ebay and they are asking 400.00. but i am sure you can get much more for yours. Jay Jannis wrote: Thanks Jason No, I dont want a third CR-7. I want to know what I may ask for selling one of mine so that I can purchase a ZX-9 or a dragon instead. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Rhamy To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] going/gone prices hi jannis when i posted that bulliten i included a website with current price list of most nak models. are you looking at purchasing a CR-7? This discusion about ebay sellers trying to rip off people made me think that maybe some of us (I am one of us) do not know the going prices for the decks we so much love. As a result we might end up paying far too much for something worth less. I remember that long ago there used to be a price list of the Nakamichi decks on the naktalk site. What happened to it? Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 Are these prices reasonable? 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Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Sep 11 10:07:26 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:07:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage References: <091120070206.1197.46E5F83C000311E0000004AD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001f01c7f44a$cabb2c90$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi Andy, well my ZX7 is non switchable . I have the 220Volt version and i'm living in the Netherlands. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage > > When I bought my ZX-7, I was very pleased to see that it had switchable > mains voltage. I plan to relocate to the UK someday, and this feature > will come in very handy indeed. > > I have noticed that just about every other ZX-7 I have seen for sale also > has switchable mains voltage on it. In fact, I can't recall ever seeing a > ZX-7 with non-switchable mains voltage. > > Was switchable voltage standard on the ZX-7? > > If it was, why? > > Was it standard on any other Nakamichi decks that were made after the 700 > and 1000 Tri-Tracers? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2520 (20070911) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Sep 11 11:39:38 2007 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:39:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESR Tester Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <269570.37575.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269570.37575.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4549C6C9-342B-42B5-BC7C-5D694368A8C8@kvglabs.com> Hi Scott, Andy Actually, a cheaper alternative is to make a test fixture for examining capacitors by constructing a voltage divider from a non- inductive 1,000 ohm resistor and a 4-ohm resistor. Connect the capacitor under test across the 4-ohm resistor, which is in turn connected to the input of an oscilloscope. I feed a 60,000 cps tone (the upper limit of my Hewlett-Packard 200CD oscillator) into the 1,000-ohm resistor, which converts the voltage from the oscillator to a current source for the test. A higher test frequency would be better. For a while I used a 100,000 cps tone taken from the bias/ erase oscillator scavenged from an otherwise-dead Pentron tape recorder. The condition of the capacitor under test can be inferred from the oscilloscope trace. The only caveat is that a shorted capacitor produces a flawless trace on the oscilloscope, so double check a "perfect" capacitor with an ordinary ohmmeter for shorts. This test fixture cost me an exorbitant 8-cents to build in 1975. I can supply a drawing of the test fixture in a PDF for anyone who wants it. N-Joy. On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:08 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > I have this one. > http://www.flippers.com/esrktmtr.html > It's not that expensive and works well. > > It won't help you find your short on the 16.5V rail though. You'll > need a standard Ohm meter for that. It does work great at finding > capacitors with high ESR which otherwise test Ok. > > SJ > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I have a VERY sick CR-7A that I am trying to diagnose. I have > discussed this deck here before. > > It looks like I'm going to have to do a fair amount of circuit > tracing, and I was wondering if I should acquire an ESR tester to > add to my workbench. > > Does anyone recommend a particular model? > > As you may or may not recall, this CR-7A has blown both of the > 2.5amp, 250 volt fuses on the power supply board, causing many > functions of the deck, including the tape transport, to be > completely dead. > > It looks like my job is to find out where the 16.5 volt circuit has > shorted out, and to do that I'll need all the tools I can get! > > > *andy* -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've > seen mostly the white ones. > > Willy > > On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net > > wrote: > > > Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white? > > I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 11 14:40:45 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:40:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <756405.46377.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46E68CCD.1090109@snet.net> He's probably not being shady, just ignorant. The free market system will prove to be the ultimate equalizer as only a complete fool would actually pay that for the 1000II (and then it would be a case of shame on the buyer). Ed Jason Rhamy wrote: > So this guy is selling a nakamichi 1000 II for $1,200.00!!??!! > When I talked to eslabs the other day they told me my nakamichi 1000 > is worth/sells for 100-200 dollars. And I looked up the 1000 II and it > is in roughly the same price range. So where's this guy come up with > 1,200??? I wrote him and asked him? plus told him everything i just > told you guys. The deck looks to be in the same exact condition as > mine. > . http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320144535764&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 > > > here is a price list page > http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/index.html. Maybe i am wrong and > the deck is worth 1,200??? But if I am right, and this guy is trying > to rip someone off. I feel us Nak folks have an obligation to call > this guy out if this is the case. so if you feel he is being shady. > send him a mesage on ebay. let him know. > Thanks > Jay > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Drafts at webm10.global.net.uk Tue Sep 11 15:31:48 2007 From: Drafts at webm10.global.net.uk (Drafts at webm10.global.net.uk) Date: 11 Sep 2007 14:31:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re 660ZX Cam Problem Message-ID: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com Re the problem I'm experiencing with my 660zx - the CAM returning to the stop position unless FF/RW/Play button is held ... I noticed that this 680zx on ebay has exactly the same symptoms: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAKAMICHI-680ZX-CASSETTE-DECK-TAPE-DECK_W0QQitemZ230170104542QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Is this a common problem? Is there any common diagnosis for this fault? --------------------- I've despaired of righting my machine, and now want to get another. They're not that common in the UK, so I'm looking to get one from the US. The discussion about switching power ratings has encouraged me to think this is viable. Does anyone here have a good machine that has this capacity that they'd be prepared to sell and ship to me in Scotland? If so, please email me with details. Thanks, Peter From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 11 16:30:50 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:30:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re 660ZX Cam Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peter, When the cam returns to stop it is time to change the cam belt. I usually hear a squeal as the pulley slips. This is a DIY job. I would also replace the counter belts, but leave the capstan belt as replacements tend to be worse than a loose original. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Drafts at webm10.global.net.uk Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re 660ZX Cam Problem Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com Re the problem I'm experiencing with my 660zx - the CAM returning to the stop position unless FF/RW/Play button is held ... I noticed that this 680zx on ebay has exactly the same symptoms: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAKAMICHI-680ZX-CASSETTE-DECK-TAPE-DECK_W0QQitemZ23017 0104542QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Is this a common problem? Is there any common diagnosis for this fault? --------------------- I've despaired of righting my machine, and now want to get another. They're not that common in the UK, so I'm looking to get one from the US. The discussion about switching power ratings has encouraged me to think this is viable. Does anyone here have a good machine that has this capacity that they'd be prepared to sell and ship to me in Scotland? If so, please email me with details. Thanks, Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 16:54:16 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Nice ZX-7 Auction In-Reply-To: <091120070202.13477.46E5F749000023A9000034A522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <533340.91094.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nak talkers, I also have a ZX7 for sale for $400. Not through e-bay just direct. It ws aligned and a belt replaced by Victor G on this group. My e-mail is now working however it shouldn't be so iwill be gone any minute so if anyone's interested you can call me at (916) 847-0701. Bob hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Here is another clean ZX-7 for sale, with a Buy It Now price that is pretty reasonable, considering how incredible this deck is. No, I'm not the one selling this deck, and I don't know the seller. I would NEVER sell my ZX-7! :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-ZX-7-CASSETTE-DECK-VINTAGE_W0QQitemZ180158408894QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 17:38:19 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:38:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage In-Reply-To: <001f01c7f44a$cabb2c90$53f66391@a8n32sli> References: <091120070206.1197.46E5F83C000311E0000004AD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <001f01c7f44a$cabb2c90$53f66391@a8n32sli> Message-ID: <4b6f92900709110838h268ca98cw59d119889a059415@mail.gmail.com> In the US, the versions imported by Nak of America were not voltage switchable. As a Nak retailer for years, we always knew when a unit coming in for service or on trade was either purchased out of the country or was "gray market" goods - units imported outside the stateside distribution, if it was voltage switchable. Still, many of the mains transformers have multi tap primaries and are re-wirable for various voltages. Willy On 9/11/07, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > well my ZX7 is non switchable . I have the 220Volt version and i'm living > in > the Netherlands. > > Regards Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:06 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage > > > > > > When I bought my ZX-7, I was very pleased to see that it had switchable > > mains voltage. I plan to relocate to the UK someday, and this feature > > will come in very handy indeed. > > > > I have noticed that just about every other ZX-7 I have seen for sale > also > > has switchable mains voltage on it. In fact, I can't recall ever seeing > a > > ZX-7 with non-switchable mains voltage. > > > > Was switchable voltage standard on the ZX-7? > > > > If it was, why? > > > > Was it standard on any other Nakamichi decks that were made after the > 700 > > and 1000 Tri-Tracers? > > > > > > *andy* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2520 (20070911) Informatie __________ > > > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > > http://www.nod32.nl > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 11 18:33:14 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:33:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage Message-ID: <087FAB51-0D71-4DD5-A382-C76F00916042@alumni.caltech.edu> > In the US, the versions imported by Nak of America were not voltage > switchable. As a Nak retailer for years, we always knew when a > unit coming > in for service or on trade was either purchased out of the country > or was > "gray market" goods - units imported outside the stateside > distribution, if > it was voltage switchable. Still, many of the mains transformers > have multi > tap primaries and are re-wirable for various voltages. > > Willy I seem to recall that the non-end-user-switchable nature of the US models was due to safety regulations/standards, in conjunction with the fact that the entire US is on "120" (and who would ever want to go anyplace else, he said, tongue planted firmly in cheek). Most things now that use switching supplies have auto-voltage-selection; the user doesn't have to touch anything and can't select the wrong voltage accidentally, so they are OK.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 18:31:15 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900709110838h268ca98cw59d119889a059415@mail.gmail.com> References: <091120070206.1197.46E5F83C000311E0000004AD22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <001f01c7f44a$cabb2c90$53f66391@a8n32sli> <4b6f92900709110838h268ca98cw59d119889a059415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Also...European units ALWAYS....were 220-240 units from the factory ONLY!!! Peace,ALEX! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:38:19 -0700From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains VoltageIn the US, the versions imported by Nak of America were not voltage switchable. As a Nak retailer for years, we always knew when a unit coming in for service or on trade was either purchased out of the country or was "gray market" goods - units imported outside the stateside distribution, if it was voltage switchable. Still, many of the mains transformers have multi tap primaries and are re-wirable for various voltages. Willy On 9/11/07, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi Andy,well my ZX7 is non switchable . I have the 220Volt version and i'm living inthe Netherlands.Regards Norman----- Original Message -----From: < hwbosshoss at comcast.net>To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:06 AMSubject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage>> When I bought my ZX-7, I was very pleased to see that it had switchable > mains voltage. I plan to relocate to the UK someday, and this feature> will come in very handy indeed.>> I have noticed that just about every other ZX-7 I have seen for sale also> has switchable mains voltage on it. In fact, I can't recall ever seeing a > ZX-7 with non-switchable mains voltage.>> Was switchable voltage standard on the ZX-7?>> If it was, why?>> Was it standard on any other Nakamichi decks that were made after the 700 > and 1000 Tri-Tracers?>>> *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========>>> __________ NOD32 2520 (20070911) Informatie __________ >> Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem.> http://www.nod32.nl>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 11 18:37:54 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? In-Reply-To: <46E68BFC.1040808@snet.net> References: <090820071439.26963.46E2B416000BDAD90000695322165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <4b6f92900709081026v6e575386wc63e7ed91233e425@mail.gmail.com> <46E68BFC.1040808@snet.net> Message-ID: To my knowledge...500 models (As illustrated on my originally brochure!)...were supplied from the factory with white paint panels...also during the same era...Sonab release the same deck made by Nakamichi, extremely similarly but with "Rounded meters". Once I owned both units...during middle 70ties! Nice sounding units! Peace, ALEX! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:37:16 -0400From: enoyes at snet.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Has This Been Repainted? I'm fairly certain that I've also seen the 500 with black side panels too. EdWilly Hermann wrote: The 500 was available with either white formica or wood veneer. I've seen mostly the white ones.Willy On 9/8/07, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Were the wood sides of this 500 repainted in white?I thought the wood sides were always, well, wood coloured.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260158008448&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting*andy*========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 19:29:20 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ESR Tester Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4549C6C9-342B-42B5-BC7C-5D694368A8C8@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <652391.28789.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The ESR tester I got isn't cheap, but, when I got mine it wasn't as expensive as it is now (going by memory). I was previously testing caps using a sine wave generator, resistors and scope similar to what you described, but, it requires a lot more setup and interpretation. This is a decent web page describing the el cheapo tester. http://octopus.freeyellow.com/esr.html The handheld meter is nice and handy, but, I must admit, rarely used. I can usually determine if a cap is bad by watching it's behavior in circuit with a scope watching the ripple across it or even a standard meter on AC. This works well for caps that are far gone. For marginal caps the ESR meter works well. I especially like the table on the front which lists approximate ESR based on capacitance and rated voltage. It's not perfect, but, usually in the ballpark. If you're not doing a lot of repair work and only checking the caps in one deck it's cheaper to use Kermit's method or just replace all the filter caps. SJ Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Scott, Andy Actually, a cheaper alternative is to make a test fixture for examining capacitors by constructing a voltage divider from a non-inductive 1,000 ohm resistor and a 4-ohm resistor. Connect the capacitor under test across the 4-ohm resistor, which is in turn connected to the input of an oscilloscope. I feed a 60,000 cps tone (the upper limit of my Hewlett-Packard 200CD oscillator) into the 1,000-ohm resistor, which converts the voltage from the oscillator to a current source for the test. A higher test frequency would be better. For a while I used a 100,000 cps tone taken from the bias/erase oscillator scavenged from an otherwise-dead Pentron tape recorder. The condition of the capacitor under test can be inferred from the oscilloscope trace. The only caveat is that a shorted capacitor produces a flawless trace on the oscilloscope, so double check a "perfect" capacitor with an ordinary ohmmeter for shorts. This test fixture cost me an exorbitant 8-cents to build in 1975. I can supply a drawing of the test fixture in a PDF for anyone who wants it. N-Joy. On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:08 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: I have this one. http://www.flippers.com/esrktmtr.html It's not that expensive and works well. It won't help you find your short on the 16.5V rail though. You'll need a standard Ohm meter for that. It does work great at finding capacitors with high ESR which otherwise test Ok. SJ hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have a VERY sick CR-7A that I am trying to diagnose. I have discussed this deck here before. It looks like I'm going to have to do a fair amount of circuit tracing, and I was wondering if I should acquire an ESR tester to add to my workbench. Does anyone recommend a particular model? As you may or may not recall, this CR-7A has blown both of the 2.5amp, 250 volt fuses on the power supply board, causing many functions of the deck, including the tape transport, to be completely dead. It looks like my job is to find out where the 16.5 volt circuit has shorted out, and to do that I'll need all the tools I can get! *andy* -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 11 20:50:09 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:50:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BIG Shipping Charges! Message-ID: <091120071850.12288.46E6E3610006A1900000300022165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> HA HA! Read the item description carefully....nobody outside the U.S. would ever have bid on this item...unless they really, REALLY wanted it! LOL! http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-BOSE-550-RECEIVER-EQUALIZER-EXCELLENT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ260155832654QQihZ016QQcategoryZ50596QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Sep 11 23:29:47 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:29:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay Message-ID: <20402649.1189546187643.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> No, he's being shady. I wrote this guy many months ago and he gave me some bull about figuring out what a dollar is worth today compared to what it was worth 20 years ago. So, according to him and his fancy creative financial calculator, $1000 then is $2500 now and that is how he comes up with his prices. So, I then asked him if his decks were brand new in sealed boxes and came with a new manufacturers warranty. Never replied. So, probably not so much shady as ignorant but he only has to find one fish in Lake Ebay where there are tons of misfit buyers. -- Edward Noyes wrote: > He's probably not being shady, just ignorant. The free market system > will prove to be the ultimate equalizer as only a complete fool would > actually pay that for the 1000II (and then it would be a case of shame > on the buyer). > > Ed From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 00:20:53 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:20:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900709110838h268ca98cw59d119889a059415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy, That is an interesting bit of information about the multi tap primaries and rewiring of the transformers. Do you know how it can be done? I have a 110V ST-7 that I would like to change to a 220/240V. Thanks. Kelvin. >From: "Willy Hermann" >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:38:19 -0700 > >In the US, the versions imported by Nak of America were not voltage >switchable. As a Nak retailer for years, we always knew when a unit coming >in for service or on trade was either purchased out of the country or was >"gray market" goods - units imported outside the stateside distribution, if >it was voltage switchable. Still, many of the mains transformers have >multi >tap primaries and are re-wirable for various voltages. > >Willy _________________________________________________________________ Can you see your house from the sky? Try Live Search Maps http://maps.live.com From jberger at well.com Wed Sep 12 01:54:12 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning Message-ID: My CR-7 has been having problems consistently pulling tapes (the takeup reel stops turning). Once it's at this state, it won't FF or REW, either, which makes me figure it's hit a dead spot on the reel motor. I finally got some DeOxit, and want to see if I can clean off the brushes and armature without disassembling the motor. Do I just get it running, and give it a few blasts through the slots in the back, and then cycle it through FF/REW several times, or is there more to it than that? From kmashlan at shaw.ca Wed Sep 12 02:34:33 2007 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (kmashlan) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:34:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage In-Reply-To: <087FAB51-0D71-4DD5-A382-C76F00916042@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <087FAB51-0D71-4DD5-A382-C76F00916042@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <000001c7f4d4$b2aa2e50$800101df@rbdell2> The irony I find in that is if you plug a 240V appliance into 120, then it may not work, but it won't be damaged. If you plug 120V appliance into 240, then usually smoke comes out. Our resident techies can probably vouch that electronic devices run on smoke, and if you let it out, they stop working. So if anything, to protect the consumer, the appliances sold in 240V countries should not have the switch to allow them to run on 120. Ken _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: September 11, 2007 9:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Adjustable Mains Voltage In the US, the versions imported by Nak of America were not voltage switchable. As a Nak retailer for years, we always knew when a unit coming in for service or on trade was either purchased out of the country or was "gray market" goods - units imported outside the stateside distribution, if it was voltage switchable. Still, many of the mains transformers have multi tap primaries and are re-wirable for various voltages. Willy I seem to recall that the non-end-user-switchable nature of the US models was due to safety regulations/standards, in conjunction with the fact that the entire US is on "120" (and who would ever want to go anyplace else, he said, tongue planted firmly in cheek). Most things now that use switching supplies have auto-voltage-selection; the user doesn't have to touch anything and can't select the wrong voltage accidentally, so they are OK.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 12 16:13:48 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:13:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E7F41C.6070807@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > My CR-7 has been having problems consistently pulling tapes (the takeup > reel stops turning). Once it's at this state, it won't FF or REW, either, > which makes me figure it's hit a dead spot on the reel motor. > > I finally got some DeOxit, and want to see if I can clean off the brushes > and armature without disassembling the motor. Do I just get it running, > and give it a few blasts through the slots in the back, and then cycle it > through FF/REW several times, or is there more to it than that? > Assuming your problem is really the reel motor... Some people say that this shot in the rear is enough to rejuvenate reel motors. IME, this didn't turn out so well. Even burnishing the commutator (after complete disassembly) was fruitless most of the time. However, there is no harm in trying. Just see what happens. You might also try increasing the reel motor torque JUST A TOUCH (adjustment VR601). Good luck, -- Ron From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 19:09:24 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay In-Reply-To: <20402649.1189546187643.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml08.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <96127.59080.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hahahaha I love it!! I also hate how people write "in 1980 this deck sold for X amount of dollars. well it isn't 1980 it's 2007 so even though you might have paid $1,000 for it brand new. it is now only worth $125.00. Roland wrote: No, he's being shady. I wrote this guy many months ago and he gave me some bull about figuring out what a dollar is worth today compared to what it was worth 20 years ago. So, according to him and his fancy creative financial calculator, $1000 then is $2500 now and that is how he comes up with his prices. So, I then asked him if his decks were brand new in sealed boxes and came with a new manufacturers warranty. Never replied. So, probably not so much shady as ignorant but he only has to find one fish in Lake Ebay where there are tons of misfit buyers. -- Edward Noyes wrote: > He's probably not being shady, just ignorant. The free market system > will prove to be the ultimate equalizer as only a complete fool would > actually pay that for the 1000II (and then it would be a case of shame > on the buyer). > > Ed ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 13 00:15:51 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:15:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning In-Reply-To: <46E7F41C.6070807@rcn.com> Message-ID: I too am having problems with cleaning. I think the "brushes" wear out. These may all need new motors. There is no current production Mabuchi motor that is a drop in replacement for the original, but I think I have found a Majestic #MN5D257A that fits with a bit of filing to the mounting holes. I'll post sources when my work is finished on this BX 300. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:14 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning John Berger wrote: > My CR-7 has been having problems consistently pulling tapes (the takeup > reel stops turning). Once it's at this state, it won't FF or REW, either, > which makes me figure it's hit a dead spot on the reel motor. > > I finally got some DeOxit, and want to see if I can clean off the brushes > and armature without disassembling the motor. Do I just get it running, > and give it a few blasts through the slots in the back, and then cycle it > through FF/REW several times, or is there more to it than that? > Assuming your problem is really the reel motor... Some people say that this shot in the rear is enough to rejuvenate reel motors. IME, this didn't turn out so well. Even burnishing the commutator (after complete disassembly) was fruitless most of the time. However, there is no harm in trying. Just see what happens. You might also try increasing the reel motor torque JUST A TOUCH (adjustment VR601). Good luck, -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From savtech at xtra.co.nz Thu Sep 13 11:45:04 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:45:04 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Are there any CR-7s out there for sale? Message-ID: <003a01c7f5ea$c3695100$0301010a@SAVTECH> I'm after one of these marvellous machines to rescue some of my more shabby archive tapes (horribly taped radio shows from the 70's and 80's ) and other more intact ones too! My trusty 550 isn't quite up for that sort of thing. Ebay is looking a little sparse these days and ESL seem to ignore my emails (they have one advertised on their web site) - probably scared off by the fact I'm on the other side of the world in New Zealand. Help ! Well, at the very least, I love following the threads.... Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------ ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: savtech at xtra.co.nz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] Are there any CR-7s out there for sale? I'm after one of these marvellous machines to rescue some of my more shabby archive tapes (horribly taped radio shows from the 70's and 80's ) and other more intact ones too! My trusty 550 isn't quite up for that sort of thing. Ebay is looking a little sparse these days and ESL seem to ignore my emails (they have one advertised on their web site) - probably scared off by the fact I'm on the other side of the world in New Zealand. Help ! 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Sep 13 18:16:16 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:16:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Outrageous Shipping In-Reply-To: <091320071252.854.46E9329A000C46640000035622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <091320071252.854.46E9329A000C46640000035622165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:52:42 +0000, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > >Cool item, but who is he kidding with that OUTRAGEOUS shipping charge?!?!? I can't see a stated shipping charge - there is a calculator which says $20 to 90210 - the only US postal code I remember ;) Doesn't appear too expensive as Id' really like for it to arrive in one large piece. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Thu Sep 13 18:17:48 2007 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:17:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] going/gone prices In-Reply-To: <000801c7f3cb$0867cec0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> References: <000801c7f3cb$0867cec0$e601a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <7koie3d4scrnckr2miuf7uvcj6gh78o8lj@4ax.com> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:52:54 +0200, "Jannis" wrote: .. >Any way here are some prices I encountered lately: > >http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120158452122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:PIC&ih=002 > > >http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 > > >http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180155682480&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008 > > >Are these prices reasonable? The last two are the same! -Mikkel From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 18:22:07 2007 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:22:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Are there any CR-7s out there for sale? In-Reply-To: <003a01c7f5ea$c3695100$0301010a@SAVTECH> References: <003a01c7f5ea$c3695100$0301010a@SAVTECH> Message-ID: <112a7fe30709130922y7e93b99du486c8a1141901bae@mail.gmail.com> Hi Barry, I decided to sell my Nak CR-7A from my collection.It is in Mint condition in original box.Please contact me off the list.Regards,Mike On 9/13/07, savtech at xtra.co.nz wrote: > > I'm after one of these marvellous machines to rescue some of my more > shabby archive tapes (horribly taped radio shows from the 70's and 80's ) > and other more intact ones too! My trusty 550 isn't quite up for that sort > of thing. Ebay is looking a little sparse these days and ESL seem to ignore > my emails (they have one advertised on their web site) - probably scared off > by the fact I'm on the other side of the world in New Zealand. Help ! > Well, at the very least, I love following the threads.... > > Barry > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Sep 14 13:23:46 2007 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:23:46 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: Geoffrey I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely dreadful". It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives and 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation that can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does not support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth operator' !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will not respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only safe way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to see where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. David >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is absolutely dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If you want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette Decks sell for $19.99" >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - this is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open ended >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 15:05:21 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:05:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster Message-ID: <091420071305.28986.46EA871100016B2E0000713A22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_51E9Hgec&mode=related&search= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 14 15:42:28 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:42:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak decks Message-ID: I have noticed that using rigid foam packing material around a classic deck (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause shipping damage to the nylon posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a bit of "give" is superior. Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak foam remember how it was somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of bubble wrap surrounded by rigid foam is what I recommend. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 15:45:25 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <794365.1474.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks! What a pleasure to be at a place that really appreciates these great machines. My problem right now is simple-sort of....I need the 10K(B) volume 'control' pot that is on the same chassis plate with the motor, which works the tape carriage. I know it's an 'Alps' pot, but I can't find a cross. Somebody suggested on another forum that I write Nakamichi and see if they could give me the Alps vendor's true factory #'s. I dunno, that seems like a stretch (?), so I thought I'd try here first. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 16:39:21 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind that there are exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a tough thing, but I learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest feedback) after I received my first (and only) negative feedback as retaliation from a non paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative feedback because that's what the buyer or seller deserves what until they have left feedback for you OR until you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving feedback (be aware of both the date and the time) so the other party doesn't have the opportunity to give you a negative only because you left them a negative. It seems a bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest feedback, just without dishonest retaliation. If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive feedback, I'm VERY leery of dealing with them. This results in me reading through the feedback, being very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower than I normally would (if at all), and usually asking the seller a question or 2 to see if they respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've gotten a few really good deals by bidding on things from sellers with "poor" feedback, but I'm extremely careful when doing so. I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory feedback - it'll take a large number of transactions to get your feedback percentage up. Geoffrey Reynolds On 9/14/07, David Thompson wrote: > > Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely > dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives > and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does > not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth > operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only > safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to > see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 14 17:00:32 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:00:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EAA210.70506@rcn.com> I second that. The one negative feedback I received was from a scammer that had quite a few similar negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay member. I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a negative and was stupid enough to actually state so. Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative (over several years), my feedback rating at this point stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. Most people do not bother to search for the negative feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay conveniently will not show negatives only). The feedback system is designed to further ebay business interests, not to provide information. Yet, simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be aware that many professional sellers sailing the ebay cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not issue feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback first. Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even considering requests for feedback removal. I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 in 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than 50% is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even know they have been victimized or simply prefer to suppress. -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > David > > >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open ended >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 17:24:35 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:24:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <46EAA210.70506@rcn.com> References: <46EAA210.70506@rcn.com> Message-ID: I guess I've just been called a simpleton... Feedback isn't the only criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on something. But if I see what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not going to blindly bid on the item. I'm going to take a look at why the feedback may be bad (if I see negatives from "No longer registered" members or from someone who has tons of negatives, that's often a sign that the negative wasn't warranted). If the feedback is bad enough (much below 98%), I usually won't bother looking any further as I don't need the potential hassle. If someone has fewer than 100 (or so) feedbacks, I'll usually give them more consideration as 1 or 2 negatives has a much bigger impact on someone who hasn't made a lot of transactions. Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest feedback for people without the worry of retaliation if you're careful. If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted in people being victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still exist??? Geoffrey Reynolds On 9/14/07, Ron wrote: > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I received > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay member. > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a negative > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative (over > several years), my feedback rating at this point > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > Most people do not bother to search for the negative > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay conveniently > will not show negatives only). > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > business interests, not to provide information. Yet, > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > aware that many professional sellers sailing the ebay > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not issue > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback first. > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even considering > requests for feedback removal. > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 in > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than 50% > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even know > they have been victimized or simply prefer to suppress. > > -- Ron > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely > dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives > and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation > that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does > not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth > operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will > not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only > safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to > see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > > > David > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is > absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If > you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - > this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open > ended > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. > >> -- > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 14 17:29:03 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EAA8BF.4010109@rcn.com> Excellent advice. I cover *any* audio component in a good layer of bubble wrap, then place the whole thing is a carton filled to the brim with white peanuts. Never had a mishap. -- Ron hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > I have noticed that using rigid foam packing material around a classic deck > (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause shipping damage to the nylon > posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a bit of "give" is superior. > Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak foam remember how it was > somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of bubble wrap surrounded by > rigid foam is what I recommend. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 14 18:05:00 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:05:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer Message-ID: I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a BX 300. I can buy the motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the original manufacturer and bring costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I thought this was a "Majestic" motor, but I can't seem find the company on google. I believe the company is Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It certainly isn't mainland China. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Sep 14 22:56:43 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:56:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EAF58B.8060007@yahoo.ca> Could be Mabuchi? You would get the identical assy no. part from JVC since they used Sankyo transports too. hitech at bellsouth.net a écrit : > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a BX 300. I can buy the > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the original manufacturer and bring > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I thought this was a "Majestic" > motor, but I can't seem find the company on google. I believe the company is > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It certainly isn't mainland China. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 14 21:45:48 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:45:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: References: <46EAA210.70506@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46EAE4EC.7020401@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > I guess I've just been called a simpleton... Nothing was further from my mind. I guess I should have added 'all present excluded'... But you would agree, I assume, that many people take feedback as serious gospel? > Feedback isn't the only > criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on something. But if I > see what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not going to blindly bid on > the item. I'm going to take a look at why the feedback may be bad (if I > see negatives from "No longer registered" members or from someone who > has tons of negatives, that's often a sign that the negative wasn't > warranted). If the feedback is bad enough (much below 98%), I usually > won't bother looking any further as I don't need the potential hassle. > If someone has fewer than 100 (or so) feedbacks, I'll usually give them > more consideration as 1 or 2 negatives has a much bigger impact on > someone who hasn't made a lot of transactions. > > Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest feedback for people > without the worry of retaliation if you're careful. Yea, if you take the time and trouble. > If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted in people being > victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still exist??? Well, that's where the simpletons (all present excluded) come into play... Seriously, there are scams and then, there are scams. When money was cashed but the item never arrived, that's one scam. When a seller says 'I plugged it in and the light came on, therefore the item is certainly good', that's a scam of a different level. My hobby is vintage test instruments (mostly, Heathkit) and the *norm* on ebay is to grossly misrepresent condition of offered units. Many people do not see this as a scam -- I do. For example, a VTVM was sold as 'working'. As received, the function switch was frozen solid on its shaft. DO you call this a scam? Ebay CS don't. I do. -- Ron > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, *Ron* > wrote: > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I received > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay member. > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a negative > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative (over > several years), my feedback rating at this point > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > Most people do not bother to search for the negative > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay conveniently > will not show negatives only). > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > business interests, not to provide information. Yet, > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > aware that many professional sellers sailing the ebay > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not issue > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback first. > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even considering > requests for feedback removal. > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 in > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than 50% > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even know > they have been victimized or simply prefer to suppress. > > -- Ron > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely > dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions > are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 > negatives and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest > negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive > retaliation that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay > just does not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth > operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller > will not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The > only safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their > feedback to see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > > > David > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is > absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother > bidding. If you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell > stuff > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi > Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they > (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the > auction - this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it > open ended > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. > >> -- > >> Geoffrey Reynolds From vidalgo at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 19:31:56 2007 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:31:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> > logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. Matsushita From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 14 19:04:04 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <923448.73978.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask the seller a few questions and see how they respond and how fast they respond. It's also good to read most of the pos feedbacks to give you a better picture of that person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. Bob Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind that there are exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a tough thing, but I learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest feedback) after I received my first (and only) negative feedback as retaliation from a non paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative feedback because that's what the buyer or seller deserves what until they have left feedback for you OR until you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving feedback (be aware of both the date and the time) so the other party doesn't have the opportunity to give you a negative only because you left them a negative. It seems a bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest feedback, just without dishonest retaliation. If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive feedback, I'm VERY leery of dealing with them. This results in me reading through the feedback, being very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower than I normally would (if at all), and usually asking the seller a question or 2 to see if they respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've gotten a few really good deals by bidding on things from sellers with "poor" feedback, but I'm extremely careful when doing so. I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory feedback - it'll take a large number of transactions to get your feedback percentage up. Geoffrey Reynolds On 9/14/07, David Thompson wrote: Geoffrey I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely dreadful". It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives and 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation that can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does not support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth operator' !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will not respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only safe way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to see where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. David >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is absolutely dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If you want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette Decks sell for $19.99" >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - this is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open ended >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Sep 15 00:17:16 2007 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster Message-ID: <142B156A-299C-48B8-91EB-292A6453C5FC@alumni.caltech.edu> Sorry, to me that looks like a lotta glitz and not much else. A 5 segment meter? Looks to me like something Yorx might make... Also, the stick-out tray looks real nice to walk by and either trip on on yank he deck out (or have something fall on it while it's playing or...any number of other accidents waiting to happen. Just my opinion.-kby From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 15 05:01:23 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:01:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> References: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EB4B03.3000702@yahoo.ca> Like this? http://www.rlocman.ru/img/logo/matsushita.gif Vitaly Ovseitsev a écrit : >> logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. >> > Matsushita From craigsires at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 05:30:32 2007 From: craigsires at gmail.com (Craig Sires) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:30:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <923448.73978.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <923448.73978.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5902fb8b0709142030v63821e4bsa321ca7783b6044b@mail.gmail.com> I have another ancillary question about buying Naks off of Ebay. The manual that I have for the RX-202 mentions a transport fastening jig that has to be removed before using and should be saved for future shipping. I've had no problems with my ebay purchase but I seem to recall that turntables had a similar device to securely fasten the internal elements. Is this really a concern? Craig On 9/14/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask the seller a few > questions and see how they respond and how fast they respond. It's also > good to read most of the pos feedbacks to give you a better picture of that > person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > Bob > > *Geoffrey Reynolds * wrote: > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind that there are > exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a tough thing, but I > learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest feedback) after I > received my first (and only) negative feedback as retaliation from a non > paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative feedback because that's what > the buyer or seller deserves what until they have left feedback for you OR > until you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving feedback (be aware of > both the date and the time) so the other party doesn't have the opportunity > to give you a negative only because you left them a negative. It seems a > bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest feedback, just without dishonest > retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive feedback, I'm VERY leery > of dealing with them. This results in me reading through the feedback, > being very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower than I normally > would (if at all), and usually asking the seller a question or 2 to see if > they respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've gotten a few > really good deals by bidding on things from sellers with "poor" feedback, > but I'm extremely careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory feedback - it'll take a > large number of transactions to get your feedback percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson wrote: > > > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of 3 negatives > > and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive retaliation > > that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. Ebay just does > > not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the seller will > > not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you do? The only > > safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their feedback to > > see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > > > David > > > > > > >Message: 3 > > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com> > > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That is > > absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother bidding. If > > you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to sell stuff > > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the auction - > > this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves it open > > ended > > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're forced to pay. > > >-- > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 02:21:03 2007 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] a shot in the dark: looking for mute button for cr-7 Message-ID: <3beaa6a90709141721p4b794b92ge6d16e51aa9d2688@mail.gmail.com> I had this cr7 deck for a couple of years now. I picked it up on e-bay and with some TLC brought it back to life. What a great deck! However, it is missing the Rec. Mute button. Help, I want to make it whole and pretty again :) Please let me know if someone happens to have a spare for sale. Yes, I know, it is a long shot... Thanks in advance, Yuri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.bastard at earthling.net Sat Sep 15 11:24:12 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:24:12 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? Message-ID: <20070915092412.5A71A1CE32A@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Greetings Nakkers, I've often noticed that the serial number of a Dragon is mentioned in hyping a deck that's for sale, seemingly to infer that some Dragons are more desirable than others. Is this simply down to the long model run, implying that later decks could be in better condition than older ones, or are all Dragons not created equal? Also, can anybody tell me how to date my Dragon using the serial number? Thanks, Grant -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 14:09:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:09:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Message-ID: <091520071209.21027.46EBCB8B000A04CA0000522322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Kevin, and welcome! Does this 10K pot have a center detent? I'll check my parts machines and let you know if I have one... Talk to you soon, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 14:24:37 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:24:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? Message-ID: <091520071224.23862.46EBCF0500030F9300005D3622165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> On 9/15/07, bastard wrote: > Also, can anybody tell me how to date my Dragon using the serial number? I don't recommend inter-species dating. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Seriously, there is an easy way to date your machine without looking at the serial number. Look for a little round sticker somewhere on the back, usually near the "PASSED" sticker. The sticker is silver with a black center and is a little smaller than a dime. This sticker shows the date of manufacture. This sticker will have a large number in the black center, beginning with either an "8" or a "9". That is the year of manufacture. Above that number you will see three smaller numbers in series....1*2*3; 4*5*6; 7*8*9; or 10*11*12. That is the quarter of the year of manufacture. So if the number in the center of the sticker says "89" and the smaller numbers say "1*2*3" then you can conclude that the unit was made in the first quarter (first three months) of 1989. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 14:32:06 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:32:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <091520071232.14690.46EBD0C6000840100000396222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> On 9/14/07, Craig Sires wrote: The manual that I have for the RX-202 mentions a transport fastening jig that has to be removed before using and should be saved for future shipping. I've had no problems with my ebay purchase but I seem to recall that turntables had a similar device to securely fasten the internal elements. Is this really a concern? ============================= Hi, Craig: It might be a concern if you plan to ship your RX-202 in the future, but if it arrived OK then I wouldn't worry about it. If you plan to ship your RX-202 and you don't have the original box or packing materials, I would gently and carefully tape down any doors or mechanisms that are loose and then pack the RX-202 in the manner that Ron described -- wrap it in a good layer of bubble wrap, then place it in a carton filled to the brim with white peanuts. I have received decks that were packed like this, and they all arrived safely. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 14:36:47 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:36:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster Message-ID: <091520071236.27269.46EBD1DF000CA78000006A8522165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kimo: My thoughts exactly! The whole deck looks like a giant hunk of cheese (and probably smells that way, too). It's just amazing what some manufacturers consider "high-tech" appearance and function to be...especially manufacturers like this, who are WAY off the audiophile radar. I have a morbid fascination with low-tech stereo stuff. It's kind of like looking at a car wreck...you don't want to look, but you have to. Some of the stuff you see at flea markets truly boggles the mind! *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 15 16:57:38 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:57:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <5902fb8b0709142030v63821e4bsa321ca7783b6044b@mail.gmail.com> References: <923448.73978.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5902fb8b0709142030v63821e4bsa321ca7783b6044b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EBF2E2.7000506@rcn.com> All mounted turntables have screws that are spring loaded for use, but *must* be tightened down for shipment. In addition, the platter *must* be packed separately and the arm tied down. In addition, if a cartridge is mounted in the head shell it's an excellent idea to removed it (if so equipped) and packed separately. In addition, the same is true of the dust cover, which should be packed such that no side pressure is possible during shipment. Failure to pack correctly is very likely to cause serious damage. As you gather, turntable packing takes some care and experience, especially if the original box and inserts are no longer available. -- Ron Craig Sires wrote: > I have another ancillary question about buying Naks off of Ebay. The > manual that I have for the RX-202 mentions a transport fastening jig > that has to be removed before using and should be saved for future > shipping. I've had no problems with my ebay purchase but I seem to > recall that turntables had a similar device to securely fasten the > internal elements. Is this really a concern? > Craig > > > On 9/14/07, *Bob Naylor* > wrote: > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask the seller a > few questions and see how they respond and how fast they respond. > It's also good to read most of the pos feedbacks to give you a > better picture of that person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > Bob > > */Geoffrey Reynolds >/* wrote: > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind that there > are exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a tough > thing, but I learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest > feedback) after I received my first (and only) negative feedback > as retaliation from a non paying bidder. If you intend to leave > negative feedback because that's what the buyer or seller > deserves what until they have left feedback for you OR until you > are right at the 90 day limit for leaving feedback (be aware of > both the date and the time) so the other party doesn't have the > opportunity to give you a negative only because you left them a > negative. It seems a bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest > feedback, just without dishonest retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive feedback, I'm > VERY leery of dealing with them. This results in me reading > through the feedback, being very cognizant of shipping charges, > bidding lower than I normally would (if at all), and usually > asking the seller a question or 2 to see if they respond and if > what they say seems reasonable. I've gotten a few really good > deals by bidding on things from sellers with "poor" feedback, > but I'm extremely careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory feedback - > it'll take a large number of transactions to get your feedback > percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, *David Thompson* > wrote: > > Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback is > "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a total of > 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving honest > negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you vindictive > retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based service. > Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received (from > '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave and the > seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what can you > do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth checking their > feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip people off > on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk at naks.com > > > Message-ID: <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" feedback. That > is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even bother > bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for trying to > sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for any > Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves what they > (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out in the > auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it leaves > it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that you're > forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 18:00:32 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <200709151002.l8FA1Ed4023642@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <242263.15887.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> David, I totally agree with your statement in spite of what Geoffrey says. I have 100% feedback, but it's only because I'm extremely careful (chicken) to give a negative or even a neutral feedback rating and enter into a juvenile feedback 'war' (and yes Geoffrey, that's "slimy" to wait the 90 days to give negative feedback and shows a gross deficiency in ebay policies/rules). What I do is, unless of course I've been totally ripped off, is to give a positive feedback, but put the negative experience in the comment section. So far, I haven't been burned. Yet if I've been ripped off, I contact the seller immediately and see if they will refund or make it right. Usually they fix the problem if I threaten negative feedback or a report to ebay. One guy was copying copies of service manuals and sending them out for $15+ shipping. I didn't notice he had a 'suspended' ebay registration-the pejorative question there, 'Why does ebay let him sell at all??' Another guy never sent me the speakers I bought and I was looking at a protracted experience with 'Square Deal' and more money to pay for 'mediation'. I took it as a loss and so my take is that after many yrs on ebay, I consider it a giant 'garage sale' with few enforceable rules and no ethics. Don't spend anymore than you can afford to lose-like going to a casino.;-) Ebay runs itself mostly on the 'honor system' and there is little of that these days. And there is a LOT of 'monkey see, monkey do' instead. But that's exactly why when I want something and I see a seller like you with a lower rating, I dive into the seller's feedback and READ exactly what happened, how he handled it and the buyer's comments. It's very obvious sometimes that the seller was victimized by some wacko-something we all fear as sellers. Kevin --- naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ebay feedback (David Thompson) > 2. Take A Look At This Monster > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 3. packing tip for older Nak decks > (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 4. RX-505 (Kevin Fetner) > 5. Re: Ebay feedback (Geoffrey Reynolds) > 6. Re: Ebay feedback (Ron) > 7. Re: Ebay feedback (Geoffrey Reynolds) > 8. Re: packing tip for older Nak decks (Ron) > 9. Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 10. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 11. Re: Ebay feedback (Ron) > 12. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Vitaly Ovseitsev) > 13. Re: Ebay feedback (Bob Naylor) > 14. Take A Look At This Monster (Kimo B. Yap) > 15. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 16. Re: Ebay feedback (Craig Sires) > 17. a shot in the dark: looking for mute button > for cr-7 > (Yuri Regelman) > 18. DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? (bastard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:23:46 +1000 > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a > total of 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving > honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received > (from '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not > satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out > in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it > leaves it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:05:21 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <091420071305.28986.46EA871100016B2E0000713A22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_51E9Hgec&mode=related&search= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:42:28 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak decks > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have noticed that using rigid foam packing > material around a classic deck > (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause shipping > damage to the nylon > posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a > bit of "give" is superior. > Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak > foam remember how it was > somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of > bubble wrap surrounded by > rigid foam is what I recommend. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:45:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <794365.1474.qm at web60512.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi folks! What a pleasure to be at a place that > really > appreciates these great machines. My problem right > now > is simple-sort of....I need the 10K(B) volume > 'control' pot that is on the same chassis plate with > the motor, which works the tape carriage. I know > it's > an 'Alps' pot, but I can't find a cross. Somebody > suggested on another forum that I write Nakamichi > and > see if they could give me the Alps vendor's true > factory #'s. I dunno, that seems like a stretch (?), > so I thought I'd try here first. > > Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:21 -0400 > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind > that there are > exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a > tough thing, but I > learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest > feedback) after I > received my first (and only) negative feedback as > retaliation from a non > paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative > feedback because that's what > the buyer or seller deserves what until they have > left feedback for you OR > until you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving > feedback (be aware of > both the date and the time) so the other party > doesn't have the opportunity > to give you a negative only because you left them a > negative. It seems a > bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest feedback, > just without dishonest > retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery of > dealing with them. This results in me reading > through the feedback, being > very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower > than I normally would (if > at all), and usually asking the seller a question or > 2 to see if they > respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've > gotten a few really > good deals by bidding on things from sellers with > "poor" feedback, but I'm > extremely careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a > large number of transactions to get your feedback > percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: > > > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on > a total of 3 negatives > > and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only > > safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > David > > > > > > >Message: 3 > > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as > it leaves it open ended > > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > >-- > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/556a324e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:00:32 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAA210.70506 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I received > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay member. > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a negative > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative (over > several years), my feedback rating at this point > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > Most people do not bother to search for the negative > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > will not show negatives only). > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > business interests, not to provide information. Yet, > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > aware that many professional sellers sailing the > ebay > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not > issue > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback > first. > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > requests for feedback removal. > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 in > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than > 50% > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even know > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > -- Ron > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on > a total of 3 negatives and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > David > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as > it leaves it open ended > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >> -- > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:24:35 -0400 > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I guess I've just been called a simpleton... > Feedback isn't the only > criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on > something. But if I see > what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not going to > blindly bid on the > item. I'm going to take a look at why the feedback > may be bad (if I see > negatives from "No longer registered" members or > from someone who has tons > of negatives, that's often a sign that the negative > wasn't warranted). If > the feedback is bad enough (much below 98%), I > usually won't bother looking > any further as I don't need the potential hassle. > If someone has fewer than > 100 (or so) feedbacks, I'll usually give them more > consideration as 1 or 2 > negatives has a much bigger impact on someone who > hasn't made a lot of > transactions. > > Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest > feedback for people > without the worry of retaliation if you're careful. > > If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted in > people being > victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still > exist??? > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, Ron wrote: > > > > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I > received > > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay > member. > > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a > negative > > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative > (over > > several years), my feedback rating at this point > > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > > > Most people do not bother to search for the > negative > > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > > will not show negatives only). > > > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > > business interests, not to provide information. > Yet, > > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > > aware that many professional sellers sailing the > ebay > > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not > issue > > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback > first. > > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > > requests for feedback removal. > > > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 > in > > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than > 50% > > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even > know > > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your > ebay transactions are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based > on a total of 3 negatives > > and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation > > that > > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I > gave and the seller will > > not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So > what can you do? The only > > safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will > even bother bidding. If > > you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay > for trying to sell stuff > > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes > for any Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - > > this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me > as it leaves it open > > ended > > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > >> -- > > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/8d3b7496/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak > decks > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAA8BF.4010109 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > Excellent advice. I cover *any* audio component in a > good layer of bubble wrap, then place the whole > thing > is a carton filled to the brim with white peanuts. > Never had a mishap. > > -- Ron > > > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > > I have noticed that using rigid foam packing > material around a classic deck > > (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause > shipping damage to the nylon > > posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a > bit of "give" is superior. > > Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak > foam remember how it was > > somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of > bubble wrap surrounded by > > rigid foam is what I recommend. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:05:00 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor manufacturer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a BX > 300. I can buy the > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the original > manufacturer and bring > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized "M" > in a rounded square box. > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I thought > this was a "Majestic" > motor, but I can't seem find the company on google. > I believe the company is > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It certainly > isn't mainland China. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:56:43 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAF58B.8060007 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Could be Mabuchi? You would get the identical assy > no. part from JVC > since they used Sankyo transports too. > > hitech at bellsouth.net a écrit : > > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a > BX 300. I can buy the > > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the > original manufacturer and bring > > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized > "M" in a rounded square box. > > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I > thought this was a "Majestic" > > motor, but I can't seem find the company on > google. I believe the company is > > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It > certainly isn't mainland China. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:45:48 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAE4EC.7020401 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > I guess I've just been called a simpleton... > > Nothing was further from my mind. I guess I should > have added 'all present excluded'... But you would > agree, I assume, that many people take feedback as > serious gospel? > > > Feedback isn't the only > > criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on > something. But if I > > see what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not > going to blindly bid on > > the item. I'm going to take a look at why the > feedback may be bad (if I > > see negatives from "No longer registered" members > or from someone who > > has tons of negatives, that's often a sign that > the negative wasn't > > warranted). If the feedback is bad enough (much > below 98%), I usually > > won't bother looking any further as I don't need > the potential hassle. > > If someone has fewer than 100 (or so) feedbacks, > I'll usually give them > > more consideration as 1 or 2 negatives has a much > bigger impact on > > someone who hasn't made a lot of transactions. > > > > Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest > feedback for people > > without the worry of retaliation if you're > careful. > > Yea, if you take the time and trouble. > > > If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted > in people being > > victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still > exist??? > > Well, that's where the simpletons (all present > excluded) > come into play... > > Seriously, there are scams and then, there are > scams. > When money was cashed but the item never arrived, > that's > one scam. When a seller says 'I plugged it in and > the > light came on, therefore the item is certainly > good', > that's a scam of a different level. My hobby is > vintage > test instruments (mostly, Heathkit) and the *norm* > on > ebay is to grossly misrepresent condition of offered > units. Many people do not see this as a scam -- I > do. > > For example, a VTVM was sold as 'working'. As > received, > the function switch was frozen solid on its shaft. > DO > you call this a scam? Ebay CS don't. I do. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > On 9/14/07, *Ron* > wrote: > > > > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I > received > > was from a scammer that had quite a few > similar > > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay > member. > > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a > negative > > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative > (over > > several years), my feedback rating at this > point > > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your > standard. > > > > Most people do not bother to search for the > negative > > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > > will not show negatives only). > > > > The feedback system is designed to further > ebay > > business interests, not to provide > information. Yet, > > simpletons place a high value on ebay > feedback. Be > > aware that many professional sellers sailing > the ebay > > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will > not issue > > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE > feedback first. > > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > > requests for feedback removal. > > > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay > CS > > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% > (1 in > > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more > than 50% > > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even > know > > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if > your ebay transactions > > are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to > ratbag sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% > based on a total of 3 > > negatives and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way > that giving honest > > negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get > you vindictive > > retaliation that > > > can't be removed without an expensive > fee-based service. Ebay > > just does not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that > I gave and the seller > > will not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. > So what can you do? The > > only safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback > when not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is > worth checking their > > feedback to see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the > ones at fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy > tryingto rip people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind > will even bother > > bidding. If you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to > ebay for trying to sell > > stuff > > >> outside of ebay, which is against the > rules: > > > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference > Tapes for any Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this > deserves what they > > (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't > spelled out in the > > auction - this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for > me as it leaves it > > open ended > > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium > that you're forced to pay. > > >> -- > > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:31:56 +0200 > From: "Vitaly Ovseitsev" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. > Matsushita > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <923448.73978.qm at web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask > the seller a few questions and see how they respond > and how fast they respond. It's also good to read > most of the pos feedbacks to give you a better > picture of that person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > Bob > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in > mind that there are exceptions to every rule. > Retaliatory feedback is a tough thing, but I learned > how to deal with it (and still leave honest > feedback) after I received my first (and only) > negative feedback as retaliation from a non paying > bidder. If you intend to leave negative feedback > because that's what the buyer or seller deserves > what until they have left feedback for you OR until > you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving > feedback (be aware of both the date and the time) so > the other party doesn't have the opportunity to give > you a negative only because you left them a > negative. It seems a bit slimy, but bad sellers > deserve honest feedback, just without dishonest > retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery of dealing with them. This > results in me reading through the feedback, being > very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower > than I normally would (if at all), and usually > asking the seller a question or 2 to see if they > respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've > gotten a few really good deals by bidding on things > from sellers with "poor" feedback, but I'm extremely > careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a large number of transactions > to get your feedback percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a > total of 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving > honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received > (from '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not > satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out > in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it > leaves it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/254ee017/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:16 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <142B156A-299C-48B8-91EB-292A6453C5FC at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Sorry, to me that looks like a lotta glitz and not > much else. A 5 > segment meter? Looks to me > like something Yorx might make... > > Also, the stick-out tray looks real nice to walk by > and either trip > on on yank he deck out (or have something > fall on it while it's playing or...any number of > other accidents > waiting to happen. Just my opinion.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:01:23 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EB4B03.3000702 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Like this? > http://www.rlocman.ru/img/logo/matsushita.gif > > Vitaly Ovseitsev a écrit : > >> logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. > >> > > Matsushita > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:30:32 -0400 > From: "Craig Sires" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <5902fb8b0709142030v63821e4bsa321ca7783b6044b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have another ancillary question about buying Naks > off of Ebay. The manual > that I have for the RX-202 mentions a transport > fastening jig that has to be > removed before using and should be saved for future > shipping. I've had no > problems with my ebay purchase but I seem to recall > that turntables had a > similar device to securely fasten the internal > elements. Is this really a > concern? > Craig > > > On 9/14/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > > > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. > Ask the seller a few > > questions and see how they respond and how fast > they respond. It's also > > good to read most of the pos feedbacks to give you > a better picture of that > > person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > > Bob > > > > *Geoffrey Reynolds * wrote: > > > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in > mind that there are > > exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is > a tough thing, but I > > learned how to deal with it (and still leave > honest feedback) after I > > received my first (and only) negative feedback as > retaliation from a non > > paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative > feedback because that's what > > the buyer or seller deserves what until they have > left feedback for you OR > > until you are right at the 90 day limit for > leaving feedback (be aware of > > both the date and the time) so the other party > doesn't have the opportunity > > to give you a negative only because you left them > a negative. It seems a > > bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest > feedback, just without dishonest > > retaliation. > > > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery > > of dealing with them. This results in me reading > through the feedback, > > being very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding > lower than I normally > > would (if at all), and usually asking the seller a > question or 2 to see if > > they respond and if what they say seems > reasonable. I've gotten a few > > really good deals by bidding on things from > sellers with "poor" feedback, > > but I'm extremely careful when doing so. > > > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a > > large number of transactions to get your feedback > percentage up. > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: > > > > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your > ebay transactions are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based > on a total of 3 negatives > > > and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation > > > that > > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > > not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I > gave and the seller will > > > not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So > what can you do? The only > > > safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > > see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > >Message: 3 > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will > even bother bidding. If > > > you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay > for trying to sell stuff > > > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes > for any Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - > > > this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me > as it leaves it open > > > ended > > > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > > >-- > > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/61a58e6c/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:03 -0700 > From: "Yuri Regelman" > Subject: [naktalk] a shot in the dark: looking for > mute button for > cr-7 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <3beaa6a90709141721p4b794b92ge6d16e51aa9d2688 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I had this cr7 deck for a couple of years now. I > picked it up on e-bay and > with some TLC brought it back to life. What a great > deck! However, it is > missing the Rec. Mute button. > Help, I want to make it whole and pretty again :) > Please let me know if > someone happens to have a spare for sale. Yes, I > know, it is a long shot... > Thanks in advance, > Yuri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/7ab16079/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:24:12 +1200 > From: bastard > Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <20070915092412.5A71A1CE32A at ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Greetings Nakkers, > > I've often noticed that the serial number of a > Dragon is mentioned in hyping a deck that's for > sale, seemingly to infer that some Dragons are more > desirable than others. Is this simply down to the > long model run, implying that later decks could be > in better condition than older ones, or are all > Dragons not created equal? Also, can anybody tell me > how to date my Dragon using the serial number? > > Thanks, > Grant > > -- > We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ > Domains > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 15 > *************************************** > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 18:11:48 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Packing tips for older Naks decks In-Reply-To: <200709151002.l8FA1Ed4023642@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <156119.52290.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, Most of the tech people I ship to want at least four inches of bubble wrap (large bubbles for heavy units) around the unit. And instead of filling the rest of the box with foam peanuts, they say to double box (putting the unit in a tight box and then into a larger box) with foam (or more bubble wrap) around the first box. Expense, yes, but damage potential almost nil. Most importantly, DON'T go down to one of those packing places and let them do it for you. Their perspective is that 'insurance' will fill in the gaps for mediocre packing. In most cases that works for replaceable items, but not vintage hi-fi. Kevin --- naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ebay feedback (David Thompson) > 2. Take A Look At This Monster > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > 3. packing tip for older Nak decks > (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 4. RX-505 (Kevin Fetner) > 5. Re: Ebay feedback (Geoffrey Reynolds) > 6. Re: Ebay feedback (Ron) > 7. Re: Ebay feedback (Geoffrey Reynolds) > 8. Re: packing tip for older Nak decks (Ron) > 9. Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (hitech at bellsouth.net) > 10. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 11. Re: Ebay feedback (Ron) > 12. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Vitaly Ovseitsev) > 13. Re: Ebay feedback (Bob Naylor) > 14. Take A Look At This Monster (Kimo B. Yap) > 15. Re: Your assistance identifying a motor > manufacturer > (Antoine Desch?nes) > 16. Re: Ebay feedback (Craig Sires) > 17. a shot in the dark: looking for mute button > for cr-7 > (Yuri Regelman) > 18. DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? (bastard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:23:46 +1000 > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a > total of 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving > honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received > (from '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not > satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out > in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it > leaves it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:05:21 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <091420071305.28986.46EA871100016B2E0000713A22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_51E9Hgec&mode=related&search= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:42:28 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak decks > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have noticed that using rigid foam packing > material around a classic deck > (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause shipping > damage to the nylon > posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a > bit of "give" is superior. > Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak > foam remember how it was > somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of > bubble wrap surrounded by > rigid foam is what I recommend. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:45:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <794365.1474.qm at web60512.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi folks! What a pleasure to be at a place that > really > appreciates these great machines. My problem right > now > is simple-sort of....I need the 10K(B) volume > 'control' pot that is on the same chassis plate with > the motor, which works the tape carriage. I know > it's > an 'Alps' pot, but I can't find a cross. Somebody > suggested on another forum that I write Nakamichi > and > see if they could give me the Alps vendor's true > factory #'s. I dunno, that seems like a stretch (?), > so I thought I'd try here first. > > Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:21 -0400 > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in mind > that there are > exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is a > tough thing, but I > learned how to deal with it (and still leave honest > feedback) after I > received my first (and only) negative feedback as > retaliation from a non > paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative > feedback because that's what > the buyer or seller deserves what until they have > left feedback for you OR > until you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving > feedback (be aware of > both the date and the time) so the other party > doesn't have the opportunity > to give you a negative only because you left them a > negative. It seems a > bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest feedback, > just without dishonest > retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery of > dealing with them. This results in me reading > through the feedback, being > very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower > than I normally would (if > at all), and usually asking the seller a question or > 2 to see if they > respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've > gotten a few really > good deals by bidding on things from sellers with > "poor" feedback, but I'm > extremely careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a > large number of transactions to get your feedback > percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: > > > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on > a total of 3 negatives > > and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only > > safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > David > > > > > > >Message: 3 > > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as > it leaves it open ended > > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > >-- > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/556a324e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:00:32 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAA210.70506 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I received > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay member. > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a negative > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative (over > several years), my feedback rating at this point > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > Most people do not bother to search for the negative > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > will not show negatives only). > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > business interests, not to provide information. Yet, > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > aware that many professional sellers sailing the > ebay > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not > issue > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback > first. > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > requests for feedback removal. > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 in > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than > 50% > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even know > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > -- Ron > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > Geoffrey > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on > a total of 3 negatives and > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth operator' > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > David > > > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - this > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as > it leaves it open ended > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >> -- > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:24:35 -0400 > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I guess I've just been called a simpleton... > Feedback isn't the only > criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on > something. But if I see > what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not going to > blindly bid on the > item. I'm going to take a look at why the feedback > may be bad (if I see > negatives from "No longer registered" members or > from someone who has tons > of negatives, that's often a sign that the negative > wasn't warranted). If > the feedback is bad enough (much below 98%), I > usually won't bother looking > any further as I don't need the potential hassle. > If someone has fewer than > 100 (or so) feedbacks, I'll usually give them more > consideration as 1 or 2 > negatives has a much bigger impact on someone who > hasn't made a lot of > transactions. > > Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest > feedback for people > without the worry of retaliation if you're careful. > > If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted in > people being > victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still > exist??? > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, Ron wrote: > > > > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I > received > > was from a scammer that had quite a few similar > > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay > member. > > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a > negative > > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative > (over > > several years), my feedback rating at this point > > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your standard. > > > > Most people do not bother to search for the > negative > > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > > will not show negatives only). > > > > The feedback system is designed to further ebay > > business interests, not to provide information. > Yet, > > simpletons place a high value on ebay feedback. Be > > aware that many professional sellers sailing the > ebay > > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will not > issue > > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE feedback > first. > > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > > requests for feedback removal. > > > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay CS > > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% (1 > in > > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more than > 50% > > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even > know > > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your > ebay transactions are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based > on a total of 3 negatives > > and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation > > that > > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I > gave and the seller will > > not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So > what can you do? The only > > safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will > even bother bidding. If > > you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay > for trying to sell stuff > > >> outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes > for any Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - > > this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me > as it leaves it open > > ended > > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > >> -- > > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/8d3b7496/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] packing tip for older Nak > decks > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAA8BF.4010109 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > Excellent advice. I cover *any* audio component in a > good layer of bubble wrap, then place the whole > thing > is a carton filled to the brim with white peanuts. > Never had a mishap. > > -- Ron > > > > hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > > I have noticed that using rigid foam packing > material around a classic deck > > (680/580/480/ Dragon/LX/ZX/RX505) can cause > shipping damage to the nylon > > posts in the mechanism. A packing material with a > bit of "give" is superior. > > Those of you lucky enough to have the original Nak > foam remember how it was > > somewhat soft and very flexible. A single layer of > bubble wrap surrounded by > > rigid foam is what I recommend. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:05:00 -0500 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor manufacturer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a BX > 300. I can buy the > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the original > manufacturer and bring > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized "M" > in a rounded square box. > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I thought > this was a "Majestic" > motor, but I can't seem find the company on google. > I believe the company is > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It certainly > isn't mainland China. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:56:43 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAF58B.8060007 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Could be Mabuchi? You would get the identical assy > no. part from JVC > since they used Sankyo transports too. > > hitech at bellsouth.net a écrit : > > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a > BX 300. I can buy the > > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the > original manufacturer and bring > > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized > "M" in a rounded square box. > > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I > thought this was a "Majestic" > > motor, but I can't seem find the company on > google. I believe the company is > > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It > certainly isn't mainland China. > > > > Tom Brucker csm > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > 615-331-9241 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:45:48 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EAE4EC.7020401 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > I guess I've just been called a simpleton... > > Nothing was further from my mind. I guess I should > have added 'all present excluded'... But you would > agree, I assume, that many people take feedback as > serious gospel? > > > Feedback isn't the only > > criteria I use to determine if I'm going to bid on > something. But if I > > see what I consider to be bad feedback, I'm not > going to blindly bid on > > the item. I'm going to take a look at why the > feedback may be bad (if I > > see negatives from "No longer registered" members > or from someone who > > has tons of negatives, that's often a sign that > the negative wasn't > > warranted). If the feedback is bad enough (much > below 98%), I usually > > won't bother looking any further as I don't need > the potential hassle. > > If someone has fewer than 100 (or so) feedbacks, > I'll usually give them > > more consideration as 1 or 2 negatives has a much > bigger impact on > > someone who hasn't made a lot of transactions. > > > > Like I said, it's usually possible to leave honest > feedback for people > > without the worry of retaliation if you're > careful. > > Yea, if you take the time and trouble. > > > If anywhere close to 50% of transactions resulted > in people being > > victimized, do you REALLY think ebay would still > exist??? > > Well, that's where the simpletons (all present > excluded) > come into play... > > Seriously, there are scams and then, there are > scams. > When money was cashed but the item never arrived, > that's > one scam. When a seller says 'I plugged it in and > the > light came on, therefore the item is certainly > good', > that's a scam of a different level. My hobby is > vintage > test instruments (mostly, Heathkit) and the *norm* > on > ebay is to grossly misrepresent condition of offered > units. Many people do not see this as a scam -- I > do. > > For example, a VTVM was sold as 'working'. As > received, > the function switch was frozen solid on its shaft. > DO > you call this a scam? Ebay CS don't. I do. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > On 9/14/07, *Ron* > wrote: > > > > > > I second that. The one negative feedback I > received > > was from a scammer that had quite a few > similar > > negative feedbacks and is no longer an ebay > member. > > I complained to ebay. He retaliated with a > negative > > and was stupid enough to actually state so. > > Nonetheless, with 68 positives and 1 negative > (over > > several years), my feedback rating at this > point > > stands at 98.6% -- 'dreadful' by your > standard. > > > > Most people do not bother to search for the > negative > > feedbacks to see what it was about (ebay > conveniently > > will not show negatives only). > > > > The feedback system is designed to further > ebay > > business interests, not to provide > information. Yet, > > simpletons place a high value on ebay > feedback. Be > > aware that many professional sellers sailing > the ebay > > cesspool hold feedback hostage -- they will > not issue > > feedback unless buyers post a POSITIVE > feedback first. > > Ebay charges a relatively high fee for even > considering > > requests for feedback removal. > > > > I am reminded of an interesting tidbit. Ebay > CS > > estimated that scams constituted roughly 0.01% > (1 in > > 10,000) of transactions. In my estimate, more > than 50% > > is closer to the truth. Many buyers don't even > know > > they have been victimized or simply prefer to > suppress. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if > your ebay transactions > > are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to > ratbag sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% > based on a total of 3 > > negatives and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way > that giving honest > > negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get > you vindictive > > retaliation that > > > can't be removed without an expensive > fee-based service. Ebay > > just does not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that > I gave and the seller > > will not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. > So what can you do? The > > only safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback > when not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is > worth checking their > > feedback to see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the > ones at fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > >> From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy > tryingto rip people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >> Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind > will even bother > > bidding. If you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to > ebay for trying to sell > > stuff > > >> outside of ebay, which is against the > rules: > > > > > >> "We have brand new Nakamichi Reference > Tapes for any Nakamichi > > Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > >> Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this > deserves what they > > (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't > spelled out in the > > auction - this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for > me as it leaves it > > open ended > > >> and could turn out to be a hefty premium > that you're forced to pay. > > >> -- > > >> Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:31:56 +0200 > From: "Vitaly Ovseitsev" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: hitech at bellsouth.net, "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. > Matsushita > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <923448.73978.qm at web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ask > the seller a few questions and see how they respond > and how fast they respond. It's also good to read > most of the pos feedbacks to give you a better > picture of that person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > Bob > > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in > mind that there are exceptions to every rule. > Retaliatory feedback is a tough thing, but I learned > how to deal with it (and still leave honest > feedback) after I received my first (and only) > negative feedback as retaliation from a non paying > bidder. If you intend to leave negative feedback > because that's what the buyer or seller deserves > what until they have left feedback for you OR until > you are right at the 90 day limit for leaving > feedback (be aware of both the date and the time) so > the other party doesn't have the opportunity to give > you a negative only because you left them a > negative. It seems a bit slimy, but bad sellers > deserve honest feedback, just without dishonest > retaliation. > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery of dealing with them. This > results in me reading through the feedback, being > very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding lower > than I normally would (if at all), and usually > asking the seller a question or 2 to see if they > respond and if what they say seems reasonable. I've > gotten a few really good deals by bidding on things > from sellers with "poor" feedback, but I'm extremely > careful when doing so. > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a large number of transactions > to get your feedback percentage up. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: Geoffrey > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive feedback > is "absolutely dreadful". > It is not hard to get such percentage if your ebay > transactions are low > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based on a > total of 3 negatives and > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that giving > honest negative or > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation that > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does not > support victimised ebayers. The last two I received > (from '$mooth operator' > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I gave > and the seller will not > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So what > can you do? The only safe > way appears to be to not give any feedback when not > satisfied. > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to see > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > David > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is absolutely > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will even > bother bidding. If you > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay for > trying to sell stuff > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes for > any Nakamichi Cassette > Decks sell for $19.99" > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled out > in the auction - this > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me as it > leaves it open ended > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > >-- > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/254ee017/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:16 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <142B156A-299C-48B8-91EB-292A6453C5FC at alumni.caltech.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Sorry, to me that looks like a lotta glitz and not > much else. A 5 > segment meter? Looks to me > like something Yorx might make... > > Also, the stick-out tray looks real nice to walk by > and either trip > on on yank he deck out (or have something > fall on it while it's playing or...any number of > other accidents > waiting to happen. Just my opinion.-kby > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:01:23 -0400 > From: Antoine Desch?nes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a > motor > manufacturer > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <46EB4B03.3000702 at yahoo.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > Like this? > http://www.rlocman.ru/img/logo/matsushita.gif > > Vitaly Ovseitsev a écrit : > >> logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. > >> > > Matsushita > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:30:32 -0400 > From: "Craig Sires" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ebay feedback > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <5902fb8b0709142030v63821e4bsa321ca7783b6044b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have another ancillary question about buying Naks > off of Ebay. The manual > that I have for the RX-202 mentions a transport > fastening jig that has to be > removed before using and should be saved for future > shipping. I've had no > problems with my ebay purchase but I seem to recall > that turntables had a > similar device to securely fasten the internal > elements. Is this really a > concern? > Craig > > > On 9/14/07, Bob Naylor wrote: > > > > Geoffrey, I think you hit the nail on the head. > Ask the seller a few > > questions and see how they respond and how fast > they respond. It's also > > good to read most of the pos feedbacks to give you > a better picture of that > > person. Nothing's a guarantee tho. > > Bob > > > > *Geoffrey Reynolds * wrote: > > > > Sorry, but I stand by my statement - keeping in > mind that there are > > exceptions to every rule. Retaliatory feedback is > a tough thing, but I > > learned how to deal with it (and still leave > honest feedback) after I > > received my first (and only) negative feedback as > retaliation from a non > > paying bidder. If you intend to leave negative > feedback because that's what > > the buyer or seller deserves what until they have > left feedback for you OR > > until you are right at the 90 day limit for > leaving feedback (be aware of > > both the date and the time) so the other party > doesn't have the opportunity > > to give you a negative only because you left them > a negative. It seems a > > bit slimy, but bad sellers deserve honest > feedback, just without dishonest > > retaliation. > > > > If I see a seller with less than ~99.3% positive > feedback, I'm VERY leery > > of dealing with them. This results in me reading > through the feedback, > > being very cognizant of shipping charges, bidding > lower than I normally > > would (if at all), and usually asking the seller a > question or 2 to see if > > they respond and if what they say seems > reasonable. I've gotten a few > > really good deals by bidding on things from > sellers with "poor" feedback, > > but I'm extremely careful when doing so. > > > > I'm sorry if you've been victimized by retaliatory > feedback - it'll take a > > large number of transactions to get your feedback > percentage up. > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > On 9/14/07, David Thompson > wrote: > > > > > > Geoffrey > > > > > > I take issue with you that 96.9% positive > feedback is "absolutely > > > dreadful". > > > It is not hard to get such percentage if your > ebay transactions are low > > > volume and you are honest in feedback to ratbag > sellers. > > > > > > My positive feedback happens to be 93.5% based > on a total of 3 negatives > > > and > > > 49 positives. I have learnt the hard way that > giving honest negative or > > > neutral feedback for poor dealing can get you > vindictive retaliation > > > that > > > can't be removed without an expensive fee-based > service. Ebay just does > > > not > > > support victimised ebayers. The last two I > received (from '$mooth > > > operator' > > > !) were responses to neutral feedback that I > gave and the seller will > > > not > > > respond to an offer of mutual withdrawal. So > what can you do? The only > > > safe > > > way appears to be to not give any feedback when > not satisfied. > > > > > > When ebayers have less than 100% it is worth > checking their feedback to > > > see > > > where issues lie. They are often not the ones at > fault. > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > >Message: 3 > > > >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:47:45 -0400 > > > >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Is this guy tryingto rip > people off on ebay > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > > > Message-ID: > <004501c7f33b$d3652630$cc01a8c0 at geoffwin2k> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > >Price aside, this guy has 96.9% "positive" > feedback. That is > > > absolutely > > > dreadful, so nobody in their right mind will > even bother bidding. If > > > you > > > want to "get" him, report his listing to ebay > for trying to sell stuff > > > >outside of ebay, which is against the rules: > > > > > > >"We have brand new Nakamichi Reference Tapes > for any Nakamichi Cassette > > > Decks sell for $19.99" > > > > > > >Quite frankly, anyone who bids on this deserves > what they (don't) get. > > > Notice also that the shipping cost isn't spelled > out in the auction - > > > this > > > is usually at least a bit of a red flag for me > as it leaves it open > > > ended > > > >and could turn out to be a hefty premium that > you're forced to pay. > > > >-- > > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/61a58e6c/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:21:03 -0700 > From: "Yuri Regelman" > Subject: [naktalk] a shot in the dark: looking for > mute button for > cr-7 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Message-ID: > > <3beaa6a90709141721p4b794b92ge6d16e51aa9d2688 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I had this cr7 deck for a couple of years now. I > picked it up on e-bay and > with some TLC brought it back to life. What a great > deck! However, it is > missing the Rec. Mute button. > Help, I want to make it whole and pretty again :) > Please let me know if > someone happens to have a spare for sale. Yes, I > know, it is a long shot... > Thanks in advance, > Yuri > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070914/7ab16079/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:24:12 +1200 > From: bastard > Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON SERIAL NUMBERS? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <20070915092412.5A71A1CE32A at ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Greetings Nakkers, > > I've often noticed that the serial number of a > Dragon is mentioned in hyping a deck that's for > sale, seemingly to infer that some Dragons are more > desirable than others. Is this simply down to the > long model run, implying that later decks could be > in better condition than older ones, or are all > Dragons not created equal? Also, can anybody tell me > how to date my Dragon using the serial number? > > Thanks, > Grant > > -- > We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ > Domains > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 15 > *************************************** > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Sat Sep 15 17:11:06 2007 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:11:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <001201c7f7aa$a45bf760$6401a8c0@main> Buying electronics from eBay is a gamble. First if it is a private owner, you may with some emails get a better idea as to what the "operating" condition of the unit actually is, and maybe get a little better feeling of truth. . From a clearance seller, they have not a clue except what they see on the outside as well as what the consigning owner tells them (usually not dependable). So far, I have gotten a Nak Dragon with a broken pot (eq pot), visually looked at another Dragon at a consignment house (which was frozen up and could not be tested for operation-listed in excellent condition), an Apt Holman preamplifier with a broken switch and internal problems listed as "This vintage amp powers on and comes from an audio engineer it is dusty from storage but is free of damage or broken parts. No model or serial number. See the photos for complete details. Sold as is. Sorry, no returns." There was one switch broken and no output on one channel on anything. I left neutral feedback, for at least the broken switch which could have been found by the seller just turning knobs and throwing switches. Unit cost me $180 plus another $160 to get it fixed so that was not too bad. An Accuphase C200 I just got is pretty good. Got it thru a private owner. Only problem is headphone output seems quite low and the one control switch for COMP which I believe is "loudness" seems not to work-no light and no sound change. No big deal on that buy as I can see the owner may not have used the loudness or headphones and did not know of the minor problems. When buying from eBay, remember with much it is like buying a used car, sight unseen. Don't be shocked if everything is not what you expected. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 18:30:25 2007 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:30:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92900709150930w62962ec4n5f0f195a627e9e7a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tom: If it's the usual motor, it's made by Mabuchi.. I've found some successful matches from MCM but haven't tried for a while. I'll check to see if I still have any stock. Willy On 9/14/07, hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: > > I have successfully substituted a reel motor in a BX 300. I can buy the > motor from JVC, but I am trying to find the original manufacturer and > bring > costs down. This motor has a logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square > box. > Generic number of the motor is MSN5D257A. I thought this was a "Majestic" > motor, but I can't seem find the company on google. I believe the company > is > Japanese as the date code is year 2000. It certainly isn't mainland China. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 19:55:53 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:55:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback References: <242263.15887.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c7f7c1$aa72d670$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Kevin Fetner" > I totally agree with your statement in spite of what > Geoffrey says. I have 100% feedback, but it's only > because I'm extremely careful (chicken) to give a > negative or even a neutral feedback rating and enter > into a juvenile feedback 'war' (and yes Geoffrey, > that's "slimy" to wait the 90 days to give negative > feedback and shows a gross deficiency in ebay > policies/rules). Yes, it is slimy, but why should I expose myself to what amounts to an automatic negative retaliatory feedback? Keep in mind that the other party has the same 90 days to leave appropriate feedback. If I held up my end of the transaction, do I actually deserve a negative feedback just because the seller sent a defective item (or sent nothing at all and then provided PayPal claims with a bogus tracking number) and refused to make good on it? > What I do is, unless of course I've > been totally ripped off, is to give a positive > feedback, but put the negative experience in the > comment section. So far, I haven't been burned. A truly negative experience deserves a negative feedback. Giving someone positive feedback with a negative comment will be completely lost on 99.999% of potential buyers, so you might as well just leave "A+++++++". If I have a bad experience that the seller makes good on, I'll leave either neutral or positive feedback, depending on how well the problem was resolved (if I have to go through the hassle of filing a claim, the seller isn't going to get anything other than negative feedback). > Usually they fix the problem if I threaten negative feedback > or a report to ebay. It's actually against ebay policy to threaten negative feedback. The threat is implied anyway - any seller who isn't a complete idiot realizes that a bad transaction is more likely to get a negative. > But that's exactly why when I want something and I see > a seller like you with a lower rating, I dive into the > seller's feedback and READ exactly what happened, how > he handled it and the buyer's comments. It's very > obvious sometimes that the seller was victimized by > some wacko-something we all fear as sellers. Of course, but sellers with lots of negatives are more likely result in a bad transaction than sellers with few or no negative feedbacks. Like I said, for someone with very few transactions (less than 100) it's somewhat less of a concern. For the big sellers with tens of thousands of transactions, feedback below 99% really is a huge red flag because they need to have lots of negatives to get there. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From jberger at well.com Sat Sep 15 20:06:23 2007 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning Message-ID: Well, since my wife was off to school, and our 7-year-old was still sleeping, I took the cover off of the CR-7, ran it through a bunch of FF/REW cycles while spraying it with DeOxit. Gave VR601 a slight tweak, and this problem appeared to have gone away. It played fine through most of a tape. However, a new problem seems to have appeared, just as I was finishing one final cleaning cycle. It no longer plays. When I power on the deck, the FF, REW, PLAY, and PAUSE buttone all light up and stay lighted up. They stay lit when it is FF or REWinding (even though these functions are working). Thinking it might be indicating a capistan speed problem, I tried the 'finger pressure on the capistan' test, and found that the take-up side capistan was fairly easy to stop. I took a look at the capistan belt, and saw that I had slopped over some DeOxit onto the belt. Now, it appears that the capistan belt is WAAAY too loose. So, does DeOxit cause belts to stretch, if it's left on there too long? From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 15 21:39:30 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:39:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 motor cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EC34F2.8070006@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > Well, since my wife was off to school, and our 7-year-old was still > sleeping, I took the cover off of the CR-7, ran it through a bunch of > FF/REW cycles while spraying it with DeOxit. Gave VR601 a slight tweak, > and this problem appeared to have gone away. It played fine through most > of a tape. > > However, a new problem seems to have appeared, just as I was finishing one > final cleaning cycle. It no longer plays. When I power on the deck, the > FF, REW, PLAY, and PAUSE buttone all light up and stay lighted up. They > stay lit when it is FF or REWinding (even though these functions are > working). > > Thinking it might be indicating a capistan speed problem, I tried the > 'finger pressure on the capistan' test, and found that the take-up side > capistan was fairly easy to stop. I took a look at the capistan belt, and > saw that I had slopped over some DeOxit onto the belt. Now, it appears > that the capistan belt is WAAAY too loose. > > So, does DeOxit cause belts to stretch, if it's left on there too long? If the belt is too loose, it should be replaced, regardless of what caused it to be loose. This entails partial disassembly of the transport. Be sure you feel comfortable doing this. The take up capstan is driven directly by the capstan motor. It is not belt driven, it's the other way around: it drives the supply capstan through the belt. Normally, it is not too difficult to stop the take up capstan by finger pressure. I can't tell whether yours is normal or too easy, but if it is, I suspect you now have a capstan motor problem. I also doubt the lights problem is associated with the Deoxit application. It sounds like a logic circuit problem. Possibly, a poor ground connection someplace. You may wish to consider having the deck professionally sorted out. -- Ron From george.valkov at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 21:45:31 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:45:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <242263.15887.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200709151002.l8FA1Ed4023642@zxe.naks.com> <242263.15887.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10709151245rc665072u878929c1409ddba1@mail.gmail.com> Kevin, Here's your "second chance" opportunity not to get negative feedback from several forum members -:) - Please do not leave a whole Naktalk digest in the tail of your message when you send it out. Good luck on ebay and keep Nakkin' ! George On 9/15/07, Kevin Fetner wrote: > David, > I totally agree with your statement in spite of what > Geoffrey says. I have 100% feedback, but it's only > because I'm extremely careful (chicken) to give a > negative or even a neutral feedback rating and enter > into a juvenile feedback 'war' (and yes Geoffrey, > that's "slimy" to wait the 90 days to give negative > feedback and shows a gross deficiency in ebay > policies/rules). What I do is, unless of course I've > been totally ripped off, is to give a positive > feedback, but put the negative experience in the > comment section. So far, I haven't been burned. Yet if > I've been ripped off, I contact the seller immediately > and see if they will refund or make it right. Usually > they fix the problem if I threaten negative feedback > or a report to ebay. One guy was copying copies of > service manuals and sending them out for $15+ > shipping. I didn't notice he had a 'suspended' ebay > registration-the pejorative question there, 'Why does > ebay let him sell at all??' Another guy never sent me > the speakers I bought and I was looking at a > protracted experience with 'Square Deal' and more > money to pay for 'mediation'. I took it as a loss and > so my take is that after many yrs on ebay, I consider > it a giant 'garage sale' with few enforceable rules > and no ethics. Don't spend anymore than you can afford > to lose-like going to a casino.;-) Ebay runs itself > mostly on the 'honor system' and there is little of > that these days. And there is a LOT of 'monkey see, > monkey do' instead. > > But that's exactly why when I want something and I see > a seller like you with a lower rating, I dive into the > seller's feedback and READ exactly what happened, how > he handled it and the buyer's comments. It's very > obvious sometimes that the seller was victimized by > some wacko-something we all fear as sellers. > > Kevin -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Sat Sep 15 23:52:41 2007 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light Message-ID: <000d01c7f7e2$c2e8ba50$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Hi Folks, The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well. I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? sensor problem). Any ideas? Does it sound expensive? Silly question; anything to do with a Dragon is expensive. I look forward to your learned thoughts on the matter. Many thanks. David Edwards (I am in the enviable position of living about 20 miles from B&W in Worthing, but sadly am currently not able to fund a repair, so I didn't think I'd contact them as yet). From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 01:39:22 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <091520071209.21027.46EBCB8B000A04CA0000522322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <831074.96684.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> "Yes, it is slimy, but why should I expose myself to what amounts to an automatic negative retaliatory feedback?" Because if us sellers/buyers don't take a stance and complain to ebay, then it will continue 'monkey see, monkey do' in perpetuity on ebay. "Keep in mind that the other party has the same 90 days to leave appropriate feedback. If I held up my end of the transaction, do I actually deserve a negative feedback just because the seller sent a defective item (or sent nothing at all and then provided PayPal claims with a bogus tracking number) and refused to make good on it?" That's not exactly what you said-you said to "watch your calender" for the 90 days to expire and send the feedback at the last possible minute so a response would not be likely. An no, you don't deserve that, IF you as the honest buyer did nothing but pay promptly and then receive 'negative feedback' from a seller who sent a defective, lost or misrepresented item. Again, it's a case of gathering numbers, like an electronic petition and approaching ebay. I don' see anything changing otherwise, in fact I only see it getting worse. "A truly negative experience deserves a negative feedback." Yes it does, but we're not talking about logic or ethics here, we're talking about the status quo on ebay and how the less than scrupulous, angry seller can torpedo an honest, low volume buyer. "Giving someone positive feedback with a negative comment will be completely lost on 99.999% of potential buyers, so you might as well just leave "A+++++++"." I don't think so if they can read. It's better at present, than taking a chance that some numbnuts will ruin a perfectly good feedback rating, because the buyer/seller is still low volume. Us low volume buyers/sellers are at HUGE risk with regard to our feedback scores. Even a neutral feedback score given will infuriate a lot of sellers. They're looking for revenge and someone to blame for their own indiscretions. There are other tricks in this as well. For example, don't assume that a power seller with 3000 transactions and a 99.8% feedback score will not cheat you. I can't explain exactly how it was explained to me, but they (buyers/sellers) can mutually withdraw their complaints, thus showing no negatives, they can negotiate in private and reach an agreement and there were a few other ways to preserve a high score, but they escapes me at present-sorry. In any event, it is most LIKELY that a very high feedback score for a 'power seller' is a good indication of how he/she does business-but not the final word.;-) And let's face it, each transaction is unique, so if I'm deceived and/or the new owner of a broken unit with no satisfaction, I don't really care about his/her 99.9-100%% score, would you? "If I have a bad experience that the seller makes good on, I'll leave either neutral or positive feedback, depending on how well the problem was resolved (if I have to go through the hassle of filing a claim, the seller isn't going to get anything other than negative feedback)." Then you're taking the huge risk that you will be involved in a juvenile feedback war-as was the point in my first post. And as I stated this time, ebay should be approached about their obvious discrepancies by an angry mob with pitchforks, except electronically of course.;-) Maybe I would feel differently if I lost my 100% rating-depends on the circumstance. "It's actually against ebay policy to threaten negative feedback. The threat is implied anyway - any seller who isn't a complete idiot realizes that a bad transaction is more likely to get a negative." I beg to differ with you on that point. The first thing ebay does in a dispute is to encourage BOTH parties to come to a mutual resolution. Therefore, if the seller has done something legitimately wrong, my "threat" is not against any rules, as it's an honest effort towards resolution on my part, because I mean to follow through with it if the seller doesn't resolve the problem in some way. I'm not suggesting to try and 'hijack' the seller, but to get a refund or the unit replaced/fixed if at all possible. Most retail stores across America have that sort of policy and so should a ebay 'seller' no matter how small, or even if he/she will actually 'lose' money. Remember, I'm the 'buyer' in this case who paid promptly and expects what was promised. Sellers on ebay are losing site of that and reducing themselves to personal bickering with said buyer over often what amounts to personality issues. "Of course, but sellers with lots of negatives are more likely result in a bad transaction than sellers with few or no negative feedbacks. Like I said, for someone with very few transactions (less than 100) it's somewhat less of a concern. For the big sellers with tens of thousands of transactions, feedback below 99% really is a huge red flag because they need to have lots of negatives to get there." Agreed, but you weren't specific about 'power sellers' who are a continent all of their own. I'll go back with those guys for YEARS and read the negatives, how they handled it, the comments, the replies etc. It's usually pretty easy to spot a ridiculously persnickety buyer if there's a reasonable amount of dialog. However, if I start to see a negative 'trend' in how the seller handles himself/herself, I stay clear of a transaction, no matter how much I want the item. For example, the power seller who is routinely yo-yoing hundreds of stereo units, yet makes the ubiquitous claim "As is", because they have "no tape or record" to test it, or, "We're no experts". Come on, better said, "We have not tested this unit at all, as we have not made the time and therefore is sold as is (resplendent with dirt and fly specs)." Anything less is insulting to us buyers. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From ti at amb.org Sun Sep 16 12:33:30 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light In-Reply-To: <000d01c7f7e2$c2e8ba50$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Message-ID: <20070916103334.7F77C1EE1C@smtp.amb.org> The arrow might flash again during play and I think it's normal. If you hear clicking noises when NAAC is aligning the head, it has reached the end of its travel. Normally it shouldn't do that, and may indicate a need for a basic head alignment. -Ti David Edwards writes: > The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out > and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it > stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well. > I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? > sensor problem). From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Sep 16 07:46:08 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 1:46:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light Message-ID: <256020.1189921568246.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Dave, It just means that the mechanical adjustment of the NAAC housing needs a little tweaking. I must admit that I cannot tell you exactly which one to adjust but I'm sure someone will come along and tell you in detail. Fear not, it just means that the NAAC ran out of mechanical adjustment. . ---- David Edwards wrote: > Hi Folks, > The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out > and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it > stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well. > I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? > sensor problem). > Any ideas? > Does it sound expensive? > Silly question; anything to do with a Dragon is expensive. > I look forward to your learned thoughts on the matter. > Many thanks. > David Edwards > (I am in the enviable position of living about 20 miles from B&W in > Worthing, but sadly am currently not able to fund a repair, so I didn't > think I'd contact them as yet). > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Sep 16 07:51:34 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 1:51:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <31622372.1189921894499.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Kevin, eBay could care less about your feedback or anyone else. I gave this record seller a negative feedback because I did not receive my record LP nor did he contact me for 30+ days. I gave him a negative even though I won my Paypal dispute because he ignored them also. The seller wanted me to remove my negative feedback and he gave me some BS reason why he was out of touch. Of course, he was selling records to others for the entire time. I wrote to eBay and they basically told me that feedback is an opinion and they could not remove it because it would mean that eBay took sides and it could mean legal retribution. They would only remove the negative feedback if I went through their legal process for only $19.95!!!! I agree with those that say bad sellers deserve negative feedback and buyers should NOT back down. Idiots in this world deserve to be called out when they're stupid. ---- Kevin Fetner wrote: > > "Yes, it is slimy, but why should I expose myself to > what amounts to an automatic negative retaliatory > feedback?" > > Because if us sellers/buyers don't take a stance and > complain to ebay, then it will continue 'monkey see, > monkey do' in perpetuity on ebay. > > > "Keep in mind that the other party has the same 90 > days to leave appropriate feedback. If I held up my > end of the transaction, do I actually deserve a > negative feedback just because the seller sent a > defective item (or sent nothing at all and then > provided PayPal claims with a bogus tracking number) > and refused to make good on it?" > > That's not exactly what you said-you said to "watch > your calender" for the 90 days to expire and send the > feedback at the last possible minute so a response > would not be likely. An no, you don't deserve that, IF > you as the honest buyer did nothing but pay promptly > and then receive 'negative feedback' from a seller who > sent a defective, lost or misrepresented item. Again, > it's a case of gathering numbers, like an electronic > petition and approaching ebay. I don' see anything > changing otherwise, in fact I only see it getting > worse. > > > "A truly negative experience deserves a negative > feedback." > > Yes it does, but we're not talking about logic or > ethics here, we're talking about the status quo on > ebay and how the less than scrupulous, angry seller > can torpedo an honest, low volume buyer. > > > "Giving someone positive feedback with a negative > comment will be completely lost on 99.999% > of potential buyers, so you might as well just leave > "A+++++++"." > > I don't think so if they can read. It's better at > present, than taking a chance that some numbnuts will > ruin a perfectly good feedback rating, because the > buyer/seller is still low volume. Us low volume > buyers/sellers are at HUGE risk with regard to our > feedback scores. Even a neutral feedback score given > will infuriate a lot of sellers. They're looking for > revenge and someone to blame for their own > indiscretions. There are other tricks in this as well. > For example, don't assume that a power seller with > 3000 transactions and a 99.8% feedback score will not > cheat you. I can't explain exactly how it was > explained to me, but they (buyers/sellers) can > mutually withdraw their complaints, thus showing no > negatives, they can negotiate in private and reach an > agreement and there were a few other ways to preserve > a high score, but they escapes me at present-sorry. In > any event, it is most LIKELY that a very high feedback > score for a 'power seller' is a good indication of how > he/she does business-but not the final word.;-) And > let's face it, each transaction is unique, so if I'm > deceived and/or the new owner of a broken unit with no > satisfaction, I don't really care about his/her > 99.9-100%% score, would you? > > > "If I have a bad experience that the seller makes good > on, I'll leave either neutral or positive feedback, > depending on how well the problem was resolved (if I > have to go through the hassle of filing a claim, the > seller isn't going to get anything other than negative > feedback)." > > Then you're taking the huge risk that you will be > involved in a juvenile feedback war-as was the point > in my first post. And as I stated this time, ebay > should be approached about their obvious discrepancies > by an angry mob with pitchforks, except electronically > of course.;-) Maybe I would feel differently if I lost > my 100% rating-depends on the circumstance. > > > "It's actually against ebay policy to threaten > negative feedback. The threat is implied anyway - any > seller who isn't a complete idiot realizes that a bad > transaction is more likely to get a negative." > > I beg to differ with you on that point. The first > thing ebay does in a dispute is to encourage BOTH > parties to come to a mutual resolution. Therefore, if > the seller has done something legitimately wrong, my > "threat" is not against any rules, as it's an honest > effort towards resolution on my part, because I mean > to follow through with it if the seller doesn't > resolve the problem in some way. I'm not suggesting to > try and 'hijack' the seller, but to get a refund or > the unit replaced/fixed if at all possible. Most > retail stores across America have that sort of policy > and so should a ebay 'seller' no matter how small, or > even if he/she will actually 'lose' money. Remember, > I'm the 'buyer' in this case who paid promptly and > expects what was promised. Sellers on ebay are losing > site of that and reducing themselves to personal > bickering with said buyer over often what amounts to > personality issues. > > > "Of course, but sellers with lots of negatives are > more likely result in a bad transaction than sellers > with few or no negative feedbacks. Like I said, for > someone with very few transactions (less than 100) > it's somewhat less of a concern. For the big sellers > with tens of thousands of transactions, feedback below > 99% really is a huge red flag because they need to > have lots of negatives to get there." > > Agreed, but you weren't specific about 'power sellers' > who are a continent all of their own. I'll go back > with those guys for YEARS and read the negatives, how > they handled it, the comments, the replies etc. It's > usually pretty easy to spot a ridiculously persnickety > buyer if there's a reasonable amount of dialog. > However, if I start to see a negative 'trend' in how > the seller handles himself/herself, I stay clear of a > transaction, no matter how much I want the item. For > example, the power seller who is routinely yo-yoing > hundreds of stereo units, yet makes the ubiquitous > claim "As is", because they have "no tape or record" > to test it, or, "We're no experts". Come on, better > said, "We have not tested this unit at all, as we have > not made the time and therefore is sold as is > (resplendent with dirt and fly specs)." Anything less > is insulting to us buyers. > > Kevin > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 08:05:08 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <473941.43552.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com> "Yes, it is slimy, but why should I expose myself to what amounts to an automatic negative retaliatory feedback?" Because if us sellers/buyers don't take a stance and complain to ebay, then it will continue 'monkey see, monkey do' in perpetuity on ebay. "Keep in mind that the other party has the same 90 days to leave appropriate feedback. If I held up my end of the transaction, do I actually deserve a negative feedback just because the seller sent a defective item (or sent nothing at all and then provided PayPal claims with a bogus tracking number) and refused to make good on it?" That's not exactly what you said-you said to "watch your calender" for the 90 days to expire and send the feedback at the last possible minute so a retaliatory response would not be likely. An no, you don't deserve that, IF you as the honest buyer did nothing but pay promptly and then receive 'negative feedback' from a seller who sent a defective, lost or misrepresented item. Again, it's a case of gathering numbers, like an electronic petition and approaching ebay. I don' see anything changing otherwise, in fact I only see it getting worse. "A truly negative experience deserves a negative feedback." Yes it does, but we're not talking about logic or ethics here, we're talking about the status quo on ebay and how the less than scrupulous, angry seller can torpedo an honest, low volume buyer. "Giving someone positive feedback with a negative comment will be completely lost on 99.999% of potential buyers, so you might as well just leave "A+++++++"." I don't think so if they can read. It's better at present, than taking a chance that some numbnuts will ruin a perfectly good feedback rating, because the buyer/seller is still low volume. Us low volume buyers/sellers are at HUGE risk with regard to our feedback scores. Even a neutral feedback score given will infuriate a lot of sellers. They're looking for revenge and someone to blame for their own indiscretions and they also know that just one negative can ruin a low volume buyer's rating. There are other tricks in this as well. For example, don't assume that a power seller with 3000 transactions and a 99.8% feedback score will not cheat you. I can't explain exactly how it was explained to me, but they (buyers/sellers) can mutually withdraw their complaints, thus showing no negatives, they can negotiate in private and reach an agreement, pay out lots of money to remove a negative feedback score etc. In any event, it is most LIKELY that a very high feedback score for a 'power seller' is a good indication of how he/she does business-but not the final word.;-) And let's face it, each transaction is unique, so if I'm deceived and/or the new owner of a broken unit with no satisfaction, I don't really care about his/her 99.8-100%% score, would you? I'll give you a specific example. I ordered through ebay an idler tire for my 505 from Jeff @ESL. I waited and waited, no tire. I wrote them an email. Jeff sent one back saying that I would be receiving one shortly, but called me "Ray". I figured that was gonna go badly for me, but I waited some more. Finally I called him on the phone. More mass confusion and I suggested he just look up the sale on PayPal. He took my name and snailmail addy again and shortly I got the tire. I think they do great work, but need to be out of the idler tire replacement business. I gave them a neutral rating, describing briefly what had happened. I also stated the eventual item was fine, as described. Now, not only did they not give me any feedback, they won't answer my emails about another part I'm trying to find. So now, I'm the 'bad guy'. Yeah, I probably shot myself in the foot for giving any feedback at all, especially to a premier restoration/parts dealer, but I'm also not going to give that phony 'A++++++++++++ seller!' crap just to get a positive rating. My point to this is the system is just not working on ebay as it should. I would presuppose there are some great minds somewhere connected to ebay-they should quit drowning in mediocrity and bottom line issues. "If I have a bad experience that the seller makes good on, I'll leave either neutral or positive feedback, depending on how well the problem was resolved (if I have to go through the hassle of filing a claim, the seller isn't going to get anything other than negative feedback)." Then you're taking the huge risk that you will be involved in a juvenile feedback war-as was the point in my first post. And as I stated this time, ebay should be approached about their obvious discrepancies by an angry mob with pitchforks, except electronically of course.;-) Maybe I would feel differently if I lost my 100% rating-depends on the circumstance. "It's actually against ebay policy to threaten negative feedback. The threat is implied anyway - any seller who isn't a complete idiot realizes that a bad transaction is more likely to get a negative." I beg to differ with you on that point. The first thing ebay does in a dispute is to encourage BOTH parties to come to a mutual resolution. Therefore, if the seller has done something legitimately wrong, my "threat" is not against any rules, as it's an honest effort towards resolution on my part, because I mean to follow through with it if the seller doesn't resolve the problem in some way. I'm not suggesting to try and 'hijack' the seller, but to get a refund or the unit replaced/fixed if at all possible. Most retail stores across America have that sort of policy and so should a ebay 'seller' no matter how small, or even if he/she will actually 'lose' money. Remember, I'm the 'buyer' in this case who paid promptly and expects what was promised. Sellers on ebay are losing site of that and reducing themselves to personal bickering with said buyer over often what amounts to personality issues. "Of course, but sellers with lots of negatives are more likely result in a bad transaction than sellers with few or no negative feedbacks. Like I said, for someone with very few transactions (less than 100) it's somewhat less of a concern. For the big sellers with tens of thousands of transactions, feedback below 99% really is a huge red flag because they need to have lots of negatives to get there." Agreed, but you weren't specific about 'power sellers' who are a continent all of their own. I'll go back with those guys for YEARS and read the negatives, how they handled it, the comments, the replies etc. It's usually pretty easy to spot the occasional, ridiculously persnickety buyer if there's a reasonable amount of dialog. However, if I start to see a negative 'trend' in how the seller handles himself/herself, I stay clear of a transaction, no matter how much I want the item. For example, the power seller who is routinely yo-yoing hundreds of stereo units, yet makes the ubiquitous claim "As is", because they have "....no tape or record" to test it, or, "We're no experts". Come on, better said, "We have not tested this unit at all, as we have not made the time, we're yo-yoing and therefore it's sold as is (resplendent with dirt and fly specs)." Anything less is insulting to us buyers. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 08:22:10 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <31622372.1189921894499.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <589108.97073.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Roland, Sorry to all for any duplication of my posting, this list server is different than any I have used and I'm getting used to it-hopefully.;-) "eBay could care less about your feedback or anyone else. I gave this record seller a negative feedback because I did not receive my record LP nor did he contact me for 30+ days. I gave him a negative even though I won my Paypal dispute because he ignored them also. The seller wanted me to remove my negative feedback and he gave me some BS reason why he was out of touch. Of course, he was selling records to others for the entire time." That is exactly my point. Each transaction is unique. No doubt the whole time you went through this dispute process, yes, he was selling LPs. And not only that, I'm sure he was getting that superficial, "A+++++++++++seller!" crap by those buyers who want/expect a similar feedback. Nothing like running scared. "I wrote to eBay and they basically told me that feedback is an opinion and they could not remove it because it would mean that eBay took sides and it could mean legal retribution. They would only remove the negative feedback if I went through their legal process for only $19.95!!!!" Yes I know very well how it works with ebay's claims & disputes dept and have been down this road before with them, only to bow out due to time and attrition issues. That's why I say the system is broke, let's fix it. "I agree with those that say bad sellers deserve negative feedback and buyers should NOT back down. Idiots in this world deserve to be called out when they're stupid." Yes, of course they do, but at what present cost? I say again, us low volume sellers & buyers can have one negative feedback score drag us down to the low 90 percentile. Is it fair that the Grand Poohba Wizard 'Power Seller' can take three hits a month in legitimate, negative feedback and still have a high percentile score? Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 08:35:36 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 In-Reply-To: <091520071209.21027.46EBCB8B000A04CA0000522322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <211003.55348.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry Andy, I think I sent my first reply to your personal email and not the list server. If you didn't get it, here's what I wrote earlier: "Hey Andy and thank you! I believe the pot is smooth all through its rotation. However, I'm not sure because mine is now in pieces and one of the small copper parts went missing. I'm pretty much resolved in buying a 202 for parts, as they share a lot together-the 202 and the 505. A friend sent me the service manual in PDF for the 202 and I can see what parts are the same-the 10K(B) pot I need is identical on both models. Thank you for looking, that would be great if you had one! I would be happy to buy it and pay shipping. Kevin" --- hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, Kevin, and welcome! > > Does this 10K pot have a center detent? > > I'll check my parts machines and let you know if I > have one... > > > Talk to you soon, > > *andy* > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 09:02:02 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <860258.35347.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Jason, You have to remember that the 1000 was so revolutionary when it came out (I was there at it's release), that other companies could do no more than 'copy' it (or at least some of it) for yrs to come. The deck is dated somewhat, even against more modern three head Naks with dual capstan, better op amps and with Dolby C etc. But in all fairness, the original yardstick for Nak was the 1000, much eclipsed now by the newer Naks. It was the deck that made the whole world stop & listen to hi-fi cassette capability. All that's been said here is true. However, if you call Jeff at ESL he will tell you that a full restoration on a 1000 will cost more than $1000. I know this because I was about to buy one for $50, was all excited (much like you) and then he took the wind out of my sails. First question he asked was "Why do you want to purchase a 1000, when there are so many better Nak decks out there?". "I dunno, for nostalgia's sake I guess", I blurted out, feeling somewhat stupid for saying that. He's right of course unless the deck is virtually given to you in running, respectable shape and you're willing to tinker (or know someone who can calibrate/fix it correctly for under $300 dollars), it's not worth it. Even at that, given the age, I think that $300 is too much money to sink into that deck. If that deck had been in your family for 30 yrs or it was your fathers, who is now deceased etc, then restoration might be an option on sentimental grounds-crazier things have been done.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 10:15:23 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:15:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light In-Reply-To: <000d01c7f7e2$c2e8ba50$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> References: <000d01c7f7e2$c2e8ba50$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Message-ID: Hello David! If I comprehend well the NAAC in your Dragon unit makes "Trouble"...only when is playing "Reversed' cassette...As when you load a new "Side A" per example the "Right green NAAC arrow blinks & after a few blinking goes green steady...(Is so correctly?). But when you want to hear the "Side B" of the same cassette the NAAC works bad...till here I'm correct? You ONLY record forward NEVER reversed...so this happen ONLY when you listen a recorded cassette!. My question as I also own the same unit...if occur in ALL loaded cassettes type or brands??? Or ONLY at specific type or brand???. Please, reply specifically...when & how occurred? Thanks, & have a nice weekend! Peace, Alex! > From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:52:41 +0100> Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light> > Hi Folks,> The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out > and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it > stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well.> I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? > sensor problem).> Any ideas?> Does it sound expensive?> Silly question; anything to do with a Dragon is expensive.> I look forward to your learned thoughts on the matter.> Many thanks.> David Edwards> (I am in the enviable position of living about 20 miles from B&W in > Worthing, but sadly am currently not able to fund a repair, so I didn't > think I'd contact them as yet). > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 13:07:50 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:07:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light In-Reply-To: <20070916103334.7F77C1EE1C@smtp.amb.org> References: <000d01c7f7e2$c2e8ba50$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> <20070916103334.7F77C1EE1C@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: Hello Ti, No...NAAC flashes at the beginning till it's calibrated with more of 15Kh tones from the music recorded in the cassette after that remains ON green ALL the time (This 100% happens with my gifted Factory calibrated since 1984 at Nakamichi factory in Tokio!). If it's "Clicking"...yes the movement of the playback head reach any end of the possible alignment movement calibration; ...which can be as you state somebody touch & move the white teflon head screws...or if occur only with some old/cheap/commercially recorded cassettes...the head alignment is O.K...those "Dang"...cassettes should be throw away & NOT use them again with such "Super High Performance" deck as a Dragon...use ONLY "State-of-the-Art technology" brand cassettes as TDK/Maxell/Fuji...etc! I'm waiting from David's reply! Peace, Alex! > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:33:30 -0700> From: ti at amb.org> > The arrow might flash again during play and I think it's normal.> > If you hear clicking noises when NAAC is aligning the head, it> has reached the end of its travel. Normally it shouldn't do that,> and may indicate a need for a basic head alignment.> > -Ti> > David Edwards writes:> > The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out > > and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it > > stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well.> > I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? > > sensor problem).> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 16 14:57:15 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:57:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> References: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46ED282B.3060901@snet.net> Other major manufacturer is Mabuchi. General purpose casette deck motors can be had really cheap from ceitron.com (Consolidated Electronics). I've bought clockwise and counterclockwise rotating and they also have a trimmer pot built in for dialing in the speed. I haven't used one in a Nak, but have had excellent results in a couple of Yamaha decks and Teac as well. Ed Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: >>logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. >> >> >Matsushita >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 16 15:00:23 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:00:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Take A Look At This Monster In-Reply-To: <142B156A-299C-48B8-91EB-292A6453C5FC@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <142B156A-299C-48B8-91EB-292A6453C5FC@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <46ED28E7.2040400@snet.net> I'd have to add that I'm amazed at the people who would post videos of some very pedestrian decks. I guess that old saying different strokes for different folks is very true. Ed Kimo B. Yap wrote: > Sorry, to me that looks like a lotta glitz and not much else. A 5 > segment meter? Looks to me > like something Yorx might make... > > Also, the stick-out tray looks real nice to walk by and either trip > on on yank he deck out (or have something > fall on it while it's playing or...any number of other accidents > waiting to happen. Just my opinion.-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 16 15:20:29 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:20:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <860258.35347.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> References: <860258.35347.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46ED2D9D.4070702@snet.net> Bear in mind the Jeff would price nearly any Nak that was going to get a full workover at probably close to $1000 (I'm not saying that as a judgment, but as a statement of the comprehensive work he does). If you're going to ESL then yes, might as well make it a ZX-7 or something to make the investment really worthwhile. Having said that, I should also mention that I had a 700 a few years back that was distorting badly with highly modulated bass passages... the deck just wasn't right. The local tech made a mess of it and then said that it was 'normal' for the old Naks to oscillate like that. Right... I then sent it off to Stephen Sank and after $180 and several months I got back a machine that performed amazingly for several years until I sold it. What I'm saying here is that one man's estimate should not be considered gospel as far as what it will take to get an old machine up to spec, especially when that estimate represents a complete rebuild! I now have two other 700's that are problem children. I'll have to get around to reseating the boards properly to see if I can get them running again, but if that's not enough, perhaps I'll be able to entice Tom at HiTech to do the work in exchange for some money and keeping one of the decks. I doubt it'll cost anything near $1000 (or even half that). Ed PS While the 1000, 700, 600, etc... have all been eclipsed by newer models in strict terms performance wise, I dare anyone on this list to come up with a warmer and more musically pleasing machine. Remember that vacuum tubes are ancient technology too and that solid state devices do perform much better... so why are there tubes in my pre amp? Kevin Fetner wrote: >Jason, >You have to remember that the 1000 was so >revolutionary when it came out (I was there at it's >release), that other companies could do no more than >'copy' it (or at least some of it) for yrs to come. >The deck is dated somewhat, even against more modern >three head Naks with dual capstan, better op amps and >with Dolby C etc. But in all fairness, the original >yardstick for Nak was the 1000, much eclipsed now by >the newer Naks. It was the deck that made the whole >world stop & listen to hi-fi cassette capability. All >that's been said here is true. However, if you call >Jeff at ESL he will tell you that a full restoration on a >1000 will cost more than $1000. I know this because I >was about to buy one for $50, was all excited (much >like you) and then he took the wind out of my sails. >First question he asked was "Why do you want to >purchase a 1000, when there are so many better Nak >decks out there?". "I dunno, for nostalgia's sake I >guess", I blurted out, feeling somewhat stupid for >saying that. He's right of course unless the deck is >virtually given to you in running, respectable shape >and you're willing to tinker (or know someone who can >calibrate/fix it correctly for under $300 dollars), >it's not worth it. Even at that, given the age, I >think that $300 is too much money to sink into that >deck. If that deck had been in your family for 30 yrs >or it was your fathers, who is now deceased etc, then >restoration might be an option on sentimental >grounds-crazier things have been done.;-) > >Kevin > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need a vacation? Get great deals >to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. >http://travel.yahoo.com/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Sep 16 18:11:05 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:11:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <12439874.1189959065453.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Kevin, of course I believe that people should look at the reasons why a seller or buyer has a negative feedback. eBay doesn't care about volume sellers getting many negative hits a month as long as they remain high volume sellers. eBays policy is that they only remove a seller is they have a -4 feedback rating. So, someone with a 1000 positive rating needs to screw up 1004 times before it catches eBay's atttention. Like others have said, feedback alone is not an indication of a quality seller. > > Yes, of course they do, but at what present cost? I > say again, us low volume sellers & buyers can have one > negative feedback score drag us down to the low 90 > percentile. Is it fair that the Grand Poohba Wizard > 'Power Seller' can take three hits a month in > legitimate, negative feedback and still have a high > percentile score? > > Kevin > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 18:39:55 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback In-Reply-To: <12439874.1189959065453.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <389331.87441.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Roland, Well then, what you're saying is that it's all about the money. In this case ebay supports the 'power sellers' above all others due to the fees they receive from them. When I deal with a 'power seller', I assume they are yo-yoing product, period. They can sing the sweetest song they want in the item's description, but they're still a 'power seller'. I assume it's dirty, untested and therefore it becomes a function of the highest price I will pay, while expecting dirt, repairs and troubles. The only deals I ever find with them are 'power sellers' who usually sell unrelated products to hi-fi. Yet, they've blundered into some estates sale, do the minimum amount of research on something hi-fi they assume is 'valuable' and list the item. Then you're relying on how well the old guy took care of the stuff that went to the estate auction in the first place and if the 'power seller' knows how to properly pack it etc. Lot of variables there; sometimes exciting, many times depressing. Which brings me back to my original point; ebay is nothing more than one shoddy, giant garage sale, so don't gamble any more money than you could afford to lose at a casino. Kevin --- Roland wrote: > > > Kevin, of course I believe that people should look > at the reasons why a seller or buyer has a negative > feedback. > > eBay doesn't care about volume sellers getting many > negative hits a month as long as they remain high > volume sellers. > > eBays policy is that they only remove a seller is > they have a -4 feedback rating. So, someone with a > 1000 positive rating needs to screw up 1004 times > before it catches eBay's atttention. > > Like others have said, feedback alone is not an > indication of a quality seller. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Sep 16 19:32:56 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:32:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors Message-ID: <091620071732.24661.46ED68C8000B96170000605522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, I have finally started digging into my dead CR-7A in hopes of fixing it. For the record, this unit was not working when I acquired it. This is going to be a really tough unit to fix, and may even wind up being no more than a parts unit, but I want to give it a really thorough try before saying last rites. I am starting with the power supply section, just to make sure that everything is OK on that basic level. For the record, the two 2.5 amp fuses in the power supply are both blown. The 1 amp fuse is OK. I have reason to believe that one of the bipolar transistors in the power supply may be dead or damaged, but I can't seem to get consistent readings on my digital multi-meter. I have used the ohm setting and the diode setting, but I don't get readings that are consistent enough to make a judgment call. Is there a more reliable method of testing transistors while they are still in the circuit? Any help with this will be much appreciated...along with any other applicable strategies. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 16 20:29:18 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:29:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors In-Reply-To: <091620071732.24661.46ED68C8000B96170000605522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <091620071732.24661.46ED68C8000B96170000605522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46ED75FE.8040004@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, I have finally started digging into my dead CR-7A in hopes of fixing it. > > For the record, this unit was not working when I acquired it. > > This is going to be a really tough unit to fix, and may even wind up being no more than a parts unit, but I want to give it a really thorough try before saying last rites. > > I am starting with the power supply section, just to make sure that everything is OK on that basic level. > > For the record, the two 2.5 amp fuses in the power supply are both blown. The 1 amp fuse is OK. > > I have reason to believe that one of the bipolar transistors in the power supply may be dead or damaged, but I can't seem to get consistent readings on my digital multi-meter. I have used the ohm setting and the diode setting, but I don't get readings that are consistent enough to make a judgment call. A transistor is, essentially, two diodes wired back to back, with the base being the junction. Therefore, the diode scale should be used. I am not sure what you mans by 'inconsistent' readings. Can you elaborate? > Is there a more reliable method of testing transistors while they are still in the circuit? The best way is with a transistor tester, that provides leakage and H(FE) readings. Second best is a transistor checker, that shows those on relative scales, providing at least 'a feel' of their values. Your Ohm meter check is the poor man's solution, that provided a go/no-go test. -- Ron > Any help with this will be much appreciated...along with any other applicable strategies. > > > *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Sun Sep 16 20:33:06 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <46ED2D9D.4070702@snet.net> Message-ID: <785412.64080.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I agree on that even though my Nak 700 seems to be old and cannot compare with the technical specifications of my other Naks it still have a sound that is very memorable. I still enjoy listening to my Nak 700. MIke Edward Noyes wrote: Bear in mind the Jeff would price nearly any Nak that was going to get a full workover at probably close to $1000 (I'm not saying that as a judgment, but as a statement of the comprehensive work he does). If you're going to ESL then yes, might as well make it a ZX-7 or something to make the investment really worthwhile. Having said that, I should also mention that I had a 700 a few years back that was distorting badly with highly modulated bass passages... the deck just wasn't right. The local tech made a mess of it and then said that it was 'normal' for the old Naks to oscillate like that. Right... I then sent it off to Stephen Sank and after $180 and several months I got back a machine that performed amazingly for several years until I sold it. What I'm saying here is that one man's estimate should not be considered gospel as far as what it will take to get an old machine up to spec, especially when that estimate represents a complete rebuild! I now have two other 700's that are problem children. I'll have to get around to reseating the boards properly to see if I can get them running again, but if that's not enough, perhaps I'll be able to entice Tom at HiTech to do the work in exchange for some money and keeping one of the decks. I doubt it'll cost anything near $1000 (or even half that). Ed PS While the 1000, 700, 600, etc... have all been eclipsed by newer models in strict terms performance wise, I dare anyone on this list to come up with a warmer and more musically pleasing machine. Remember that vacuum tubes are ancient technology too and that solid state devices do perform much better... so why are there tubes in my pre amp? Kevin Fetner wrote: >Jason, >You have to remember that the 1000 was so >revolutionary when it came out (I was there at it's >release), that other companies could do no more than >'copy' it (or at least some of it) for yrs to come. >The deck is dated somewhat, even against more modern >three head Naks with dual capstan, better op amps and >with Dolby C etc. But in all fairness, the original >yardstick for Nak was the 1000, much eclipsed now by >the newer Naks. It was the deck that made the whole >world stop & listen to hi-fi cassette capability. All >that's been said here is true. However, if you call >Jeff at ESL he will tell you that a full restoration on a >1000 will cost more than $1000. I know this because I >was about to buy one for $50, was all excited (much >like you) and then he took the wind out of my sails. >First question he asked was "Why do you want to >purchase a 1000, when there are so many better Nak >decks out there?". "I dunno, for nostalgia's sake I >guess", I blurted out, feeling somewhat stupid for >saying that. He's right of course unless the deck is >virtually given to you in running, respectable shape >and you're willing to tinker (or know someone who can >calibrate/fix it correctly for under $300 dollars), >it's not worth it. Even at that, given the age, I >think that $300 is too much money to sink into that >deck. If that deck had been in your family for 30 yrs >or it was your fathers, who is now deceased etc, then >restoration might be an option on sentimental >grounds-crazier things have been done.;-) > >Kevin > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need a vacation? Get great deals >to amazing places on Yahoo! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 16 20:34:08 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:34:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: <46ED282B.3060901@snet.net> References: <61ffb2d50709141031o1f864b9fq85e2d1f2c923715b@mail.gmail.com> <46ED282B.3060901@snet.net> Message-ID: <46ED7720.6090503@rcn.com> I suspect the original reel motor was made by Mabuchi. If it were still available, it would cost around two bucks. Bought from JVC as a replacement part, I am not surprised it goes for $35. The price could be justified for repairing a CR-7 or CR-5, but hardly for, say, a BX-1. -- Ron Edward Noyes wrote: > Other major manufacturer is Mabuchi. General purpose casette deck motors > can be had really cheap from ceitron.com (Consolidated Electronics). > I've bought clockwise and counterclockwise rotating and they also have a > trimmer pot built in for dialing in the speed. I haven't used one in a > Nak, but have had excellent results in a couple of Yamaha decks and Teac > as well. > > Ed > > Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: >>> logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. >>> >> Matsushita >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From g.bastard at earthling.net Mon Sep 17 01:31:16 2007 From: g.bastard at earthling.net (bastard) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:31:16 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too! Message-ID: <20070916233116.0CEE511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> I use my Dragon primarily for playback of commercially pre-recorded cassettes, & sometimes experience the NAAC motor clicking. Is Alex' comment about low quality pre-recorded cassettes significant? My understanding is that NAAC was specifically designed to extract maximum playback from ANY cassette. However, Alex' question to David regarding the direction of tape travel got me thinking; In my case I'm sure the clicking problem is more common when NAAC is attempting to calibrate for reverse playback, but again, is this significant? Even cassettes that are problematic sound fine in playback - whether NAAC has performed its task or not I don't know - but I've lost one or two to tape chewing during NAAC calibration! There's an entry in Scott's FAQ concerning this, wherein pinch roller pressure & the lubricity of the pinch roller shafts is stated as the likely problem. My pinch rollers are clean & free rolling. I would really appreciate the tech heads weighing in on this subject. The likes of David & myself are probably wondering if there's anything DIY we could try, or is this a repair for the experts, or, does tape type have some bearing on the problem, as Alex implies? Regards, Grant -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 16 22:48:25 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light In-Reply-To: <20070916103334.7F77C1EE1C@smtp.amb.org> Message-ID: <422014.48645.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In my own experience - too much of NAAC light flashing is due to the NAAC circuit being out of alignment. This is particularly true when 15 Khz phas eadjustment ( bit tricky and not recommended to anybody without Dragon servicing experience!) is required. This can be also due to head height alignment issue. This deck definitely needs good service tech ( Dragon) ' touch!. i wish Stephen Sank is around to touc up on many Dragon's that require realignment. Kannan Ti Kan wrote: The arrow might flash again during play and I think it's normal. If you hear clicking noises when NAAC is aligning the head, it has reached the end of its travel. Normally it shouldn't do that, and may indicate a need for a basic head alignment. -Ti David Edwards writes: > The left hand NAAC arrow on my Dragon seems to flash a lot before going out > and there is an low audible clicking whilst it's doing so. Sometimes it > stays on for a bit and then starts flashing again during the tape as well. > I imagine it is having trouble sorting out it's setting for some reason (? > sensor problem). ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 04:44:49 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <785412.64080.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512965.89858.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey everyone. So to clear everything up. I got my nak 1000 running great. i mean it sounds wonderful for a deck that is all original and older than me. but to be perfectly honest i feel it could sound much better if it were completely overhauled. but don't plan on putting any money into it. I only purchased it to transfer over some important tapes of my old band. But the deck sounds fine. playback, record, is on speed. transport is 100% . Looks great too. I may sell it on ebay. Not sure yet. If i do I will be asking $50.00 Thanks Jay LENA WONG wrote: Yes, I agree on that even though my Nak 700 seems to be old and cannot compare with the technical specifications of my other Naks it still have a sound that is very memorable. I still enjoy listening to my Nak 700. MIke Edward Noyes wrote: Bear in mind the Jeff would price nearly any Nak that was going to get a full workover at probably close to $1000 (I'm not saying that as a judgment, but as a statement of the comprehensive work he does). If you're going to ESL then yes, might as well make it a ZX-7 or something to make the investment really worthwhile. Having said that, I should also mention that I had a 700 a few years back that was distorting badly with highly modulated bass passages... the deck just wasn't right. The local tech made a mess of it and then said that it was 'normal' for the old Naks to oscillate like that. Right... I then sent it off to Stephen Sank and after $180 and several months I got back a machine that performed amazingly for several years until I sold it. What I'm saying here is that one man's estimate should not be considered gospel as far as what it will take to get an old machine up to spec, especially when that estimate represents a complete rebuild! I now have two other 700's that are problem children. I'll have to get around to reseating the boards properly to see if I can get them running again, but if that's not enough, perhaps I'll be able to entice Tom at HiTech to do the work in exchange for some money and keeping one of the decks. I doubt it'll cost anything near $1000 (or even half that). Ed PS While the 1000, 700, 600, etc... have all been eclipsed by newer models in strict terms performance wise, I dare anyone on this list to come up with a warmer and more musically pleasing machine. Remember that vacuum tubes are ancient technology too and that solid state devices do perform much better... so why are there tubes in my pre amp? Kevin Fetner wrote: >Jason, >You have to remember that the 1000 was so >revolutionary when it came out (I was there at it's >release), that other companies could do no more than >'copy' it (or at least some of it) for yrs to come. >The deck is dated somewhat, even against more modern >three head Naks with dual capstan, better op amps and >with Dolby C etc. But in all fairness, the original >yardstick for Nak was the 1000, much eclipsed now by >the newer Naks. It was the deck that made the whole >world stop & listen to hi-fi cassette capability. All >that's been said here is true. However, if you call >Jeff at ESL he will tell you that a full restoration on a >1000 will cost more than $1000. I know this because I >was about to buy one for $50, was all excited (much >like you) and then he took the wind out of my sails. >First question he asked was "Why do you want to >purchase a 1000, when there are so many better Nak >decks out there?". "I dunno, for nostalgia's sake I >guess", I blurted out, feeling somewhat stupid for >saying that. He's right of course unless the deck is >virtually given to you in running, respectable shape >and you're willing to tinker (or know someone who can >calibrate/fix it correctly for under $300 dollars), >it's not worth it. Even at that, given the age, I >think that $300 is too much money to sink into that >deck. If that deck had been in your family for 30 yrs >or it was your fathers, who is now deceased etc, then >restoration might be an option on sentimental >grounds-crazier things have been done.;-) > >Kevin > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Need a vacation? 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In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 01:41:58 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:41:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback References: <389331.87441.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006c01c7f8bb$2cf49df0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Kevin Fetner" > That's not exactly what you said-you said to "watch > your calender" for the 90 days to expire and send the > feedback at the last possible minute so a response > would not be likely. I think you're trying to put words in my mouth - I said that by waiting until the 90 days are about to expire, a retaliatory negative response would not be likely. During those 90 days, the other party has every opportunity to leave what they feel is appropriate feedback - there's nothing stopping them from leaving negative feedback during that time other than the obvious fear of getting retaliatory feedback (but they could just as easily leave last minute feedback too). My approach simply minimizes the chances of getting unwarrented retaliatory feedback while giving me the opportunity to leave HONEST feedback rather than living in fear and giving them positive feedback that they don't deserve (which would be a disservice to future potential buyers). When I sell something, I almost always leave positive feedback once payment has been received (and any checks have cleared) and I have shipped the item out. When I buy something, I leave feedback once the item has been received and I've confirmed that it works / is in good shape. > Which brings me back to my original point; ebay is > nothing more than one shoddy, giant garage sale, so > don't gamble any more money than you could afford to > lose at a casino. In my case, I've decided that I can weed out a lot of potential problems by usually avoiding people who have what I consider poor feedback. There are exceptions to almost every rule - there are indeed some wonderful people on ebay who got stiffed by retaliatory feedback or simply by jerks who think it's fun to leave negative feedback for no good reason and sometimes a seller with bad feedback simply has something so hard to find that you just have to take a chance. I've had a few very negative experiences on ebay, but so far it's been the exception rather than the rule. IIRC, I've been able to resolve every negative experience so far (other than the 1 retaliatory negative feedback from a non paying bidder), though I've had to fight tooth and nail a few times. I also had a really bad experience on Audiogon once - I bought a pair of Sound Anchor speaker stands listed as mint that arrived badly needing a new coat of paint. The seller refused to give me a partial refund, take the stands back, or anything. With Audiogon, I had absolutely no recourse. At least with ebay / PayPal, you have some amount of recourse in filing a complaint - they are really slow to resolve them, but I've had favorable results so far. I'd love to see ebay fix some of the problems with the system like Kevin is suggesting, but I'm realistic enough to realize that there's no way it's going to happen. So I will continue to buy and sell on ebay, but be careful in doing so, which means usually avoiding sellers with bad feedback regardless of how unfair some may think that is. Something ebay definitely has going for it is that you can find just about anything you can think of on there. Just be careful who you buy from and treat your buyers well, and ebay can be a largely pleasant place to buy and sell stuff. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 02:09:35 2007 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:09:35 -0400 Subject: [Naktalk] Ebay feedback References: <473941.43552.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009201c7f8bf$088081b0$cc01a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Kevin Fetner" >> "Giving someone positive feedback with a negative >> comment will be completely lost on 99.999% >> of potential buyers, so you might as well just leave >> "A+++++++"." > > I don't think so if they can read. It's better at > present, than taking a chance that some numbnuts will > ruin a perfectly good feedback rating, because the > buyer/seller is still low volume. The bottom line is that most people simply don't have the spare time to read every feedback for every seller (I certainly don't), so they have to come up with what they feel is a reasonable way to weed out their choices. By giving a "positive" feedback but with a negative comment, you are doing a disservice to others and doing absolutely nothing to help fix the system. > And let's face it, each transaction is > unique, so if I'm deceived and/or the new owner of a > broken unit with no satisfaction, I don't really care > about his/her 99.8-100%% score, would you? Of course, their rating is irrelevant if the transaction you're involved in doesn't go well. But it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that you're much more likely to have good results with someone with good feedback than you are from someone with bad feedback. > I'll give you a specific example. I think your specific example is somewhat flawed. ESL doesn't seem to be known for their customer handling skills when it comes to selling small parts. They exist primarily to fully restore decks. I agree though, that if they can't do a good job selling the small parts, they probably ought to just not do it at all. I have a hunch that your subsequent emails for other parts were ignored for reasons other than your ebay experience. Could be they simply didn't want to sell the other parts and just need to be better in their customer service skills - I suspect they weren't holding a grudge for a neutral feedback. > Then you're taking the huge risk that you will be > involved in a juvenile feedback war-as was the point > in my first post. Not if I just hold off and give my feedback at the last minute. The other party can leave feedback at any time. > And as I stated this time, ebay > should be approached about their obvious discrepancies > by an angry mob with pitchforks, except electronically > of course.;-) Maybe I would feel differently if I lost > my 100% rating-depends on the circumstance. As good as this sounds, it isn't likely to accomplish anything. You're simply not going to get a large enough number of people to band together and make ebay listen. >> It's actually against ebay policy to threaten negative feedback. > > I beg to differ with you on that point. Well, threatening negative feedback IS against ebay rules, whether you beg to differ or not: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-extortion.html Clearly we agree on some points and disagree on others. I'm going to try to make this my last post on this topic and I'm surprised that Wouter hasn't shut this topic down yet as it really isn't Nakamichi specific other than people buy and sell Naks on ebay. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 17 12:32:00 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:32:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too! In-Reply-To: <20070916233116.0CEE511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070916233116.0CEE511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Hello Grant, So...as I read/understand...basically your problem & David's one (I hope???!), are the same...old commercial pre recorded tapes which the shells are extremely inferior! Nothing wrong with the head/s calibration, also inside such inferior shells exist some kind of sheet which allow to the tape to run as much as possible freely...such inside sheets are now with NO lubrication...making to the tape to be NO freely to run stable...also causing hard work to the Dragon mechanism...to drag such cheap harder (After so many years + inferior shell/sheet construction). Sorry Grant & David...using a Dragon with this class of darn pre recorded shells/sheet construction & assembled...is in a simple word...pathos. I never...never during more of 3 decades of using cassette decks...load any of my formers decks whatever model or brand with commercially recorded cassettes. Only at that time State of the Art brands, mainly TDK/Maxell/Philips/Sony/Fuji/Scotch...+ some Koreans ones for try them. 99% Type 2 Chrome & similarly! (So many years NEVER a metal one...Ideological...wear heads (Maybe last ones ad Ferrite none...but being much more expensive & rare...truly...don't bother me if I "Lost"??? some treble NOT using it!. Peace, Alex! > From: g.bastard at earthling.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:31:16 +1200> Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too!> > > I use my Dragon primarily for playback of commercially pre-recorded cassettes, & sometimes experience the NAAC motor clicking. Is Alex' comment about low quality pre-recorded cassettes significant?> My understanding is that NAAC was specifically designed to extract maximum playback from ANY cassette. However, Alex' question to David regarding the direction of tape travel got me thinking; In my case I'm sure the clicking problem is more common when NAAC is attempting to calibrate for reverse playback, but again, is this significant? Even cassettes that are problematic sound fine in playback - whether NAAC has performed its task or not I don't know - but I've lost one or two to tape chewing during NAAC calibration! There's an entry in Scott's FAQ concerning this, wherein pinch roller pressure & the lubricity of the pinch roller shafts is stated as the likely problem. My pinch rollers are clean & free rolling.> > I would really appreciate the tech heads weighing in on this subject. The likes of David & myself are probably wondering if there's anything DIY we could try, or is this a repair for the experts, or, does tape type have some bearing on the problem, as Alex implies?> > Regards,> Grant> > > > > > -- > We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!!> Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From savtech at xtra.co.nz Mon Sep 17 13:11:25 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:11:25 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors References: <091620071732.24661.46ED68C8000B96170000605522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01c7f91b$7ce6c440$0301010a@SAVTECH> You test transistors in circuit by having power applied and measure voltages - especially those that appear on circuit diagrams for the specific equipment you are looking at! Not much help here I'm afraid, 'cos you have blown fuses and no power. There are probably real technicians out there that have better answers. However, the real issue is to find out, what caused the fuses to blow by eliminating all possible causes by a process of elimination. That is, you disconnect stuff that this board connects to, and see, with your meter, whether you can still see a low resistance (at worst, a short) as you connect it across the power supply side of those blown fuses (not the transformer side). Might just give you an indication of whether the supply is faulty if you can unplug the 15V part of it from the rest of the circuitry. As for transistors, I often found you had to remove them to test them for sure, although there were some exceptions - circuitry and all that! If they are causing blown fuses, you need to know if they are shorted or very leaky and taking a truck load of current. (as Ron pointed out) I'm afraid I was always a fan of a good ole analogue ohmmeter which could check the diode functionality of the devices and the leakage between various terminals. You can check gain as well, but that's another story ! No worries, the digital will be fine - I recommend you talk to a service man to get the general gist of how to measure transistors or maybe do some reading - it's really simple, cool, stuff once you start playing. As for the fault, you try and eliminate the power supply from blame. If it's faulty, you fix it. Then you try and find if it was blown up by another part of the tape deck...... and so it goes on. Hopefully, there will be someone out there that may know the common causes of blown fuses for this model. Best of luck ! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors > > OK, I have finally started digging into my dead CR-7A in hopes of fixing > it. > > For the record, this unit was not working when I acquired it. > > This is going to be a really tough unit to fix, and may even wind up being > no more than a parts unit, but I want to give it a really thorough try > before saying last rites. > > I am starting with the power supply section, just to make sure that > everything is OK on that basic level. > > For the record, the two 2.5 amp fuses in the power supply are both blown. > The 1 amp fuse is OK. > > I have reason to believe that one of the bipolar transistors in the power > supply may be dead or damaged, but I can't seem to get consistent readings > on my digital multi-meter. I have used the ohm setting and the diode > setting, but I don't get readings that are consistent enough to make a > judgment call. > > Is there a more reliable method of testing transistors while they are > still in the circuit? > > Any help with this will be much appreciated...along with any other > applicable strategies. > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Sep 17 15:38:54 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:38:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones Message-ID: <091720071338.4705.46EE836E000D7BDD0000126122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Jason: Allow me to comment on the "old Naks vs. new" discussion that began when you made some comments about your recently acquired 1000. In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, the work that ESL would do on your 1000 would be overkill, and so you should not think that the 1000 is obsolete or past its prime just because someone has quoted you a huge price to restore it. I am sure that ESL does great work, and I am sure that if you let them work on your 1000, you would be happy with the results. As someone pointed out, the big price that you were quoted for working on your 1000 would pretty much be in the same ballpark, no matter what model of Nak you brought them. So please don't think that the 1000 is a basket case based solely on the price of a complete (read: overkill) restoration. Electronic components fail FAR less often than one might think, especially if the deck in question has been taken care of. Even most belts have a surprisingly long service life. Keep in mind that the vast majority of these machines have spent their entire lives sitting in one spot in climate-controlled environments, being used only for an hour or so at a time. Not exactly a stress-filled existence. Compare this life with that of a typical guitar amplifier! I have some vintage tube guitar amplifiers that literally look like they have been kicked down a flight of stairs and then dragged behind a car, and still sound amazing. An extreme example? Possibly. But it does illustrate my point about the resilience of most electronic components....and let's not forget how well-built and well-engineered these incredible Naks decks were/are! Now to my second point: Just because some technician tells you that there are other Nak decks out there that outperform the 1000, should you throw the 1000 away? The answer is NO. I am positive that if you hooked up the 1000 to an oscilloscope and a T-100 analyzer and compared the data to that of, say, a ZX-9 or CR-7, the 1000 would be on the losing end of the scale. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND? Do you like what you hear? If so, then throw away the test data and enjoy the music. My point is that measurement data and pure number-crunching DOES have its place in assessing a piece of audio equipment, but that is only a small part of the entire story. We guitar players have a word that we use to describe the intangible positive qualities of a certain old guitar or amplifier...the word is "MOJO". This word is often used when you are looking at a guitar or amplifier that may not be the latest model, may not have the most features, may have been kicked around a bit...and may not even be the best-sounding one in the shop. But if that guitar or amplifier gives you "something" that makes you want to listen to it, enjoy it, and take care of it, then you say that it has "MOJO". My 700 will certainly never equal my ZX-9 or any of my other high-end Nak decks, especially if you look at its technical specifications or think about the range of modern features it DOESN'T have. But it certainly DOES have plenty of vintage "MOJO" coupled with a truly wonderful warm sound, and I get a tremendous kick out of using it. I am proud to say that it has taken its place in my collection and will stay with me just as long as any of my other "better" Naks. Forget about what some number-crunching technician told you...enjoy that MOJO and enjoy your 1000! If not, I'll buy it! *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 15:54:01 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:54:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer In-Reply-To: <46EB4B03.3000702@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Exactly, lower right logo. Thank you very much. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Your assistance identifying a motor manufacturer Like this? http://www.rlocman.ru/img/logo/matsushita.gif Vitaly Ovseitsev a écrit : >> logo of a stylized "M" in a rounded square box. >> > Matsushita ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 16:23:03 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:23:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <860258.35347.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is possible to repair a 1000 within the budget you describe. Restoration is much more than "getting it working again". It is expensive because it resets the unit's time clock as far as bearings, motors, belts, and clutches. Head wear is the critical limitation on a 1000 or 700. If there are visible grooves in the play head, there is a chance that the head is no longer relappable. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]nakamichi 1000 Jason, You have to remember that the 1000 was so revolutionary when it came out (I was there at it's release), that other companies could do no more than 'copy' it (or at least some of it) for yrs to come. The deck is dated somewhat, even against more modern three head Naks with dual capstan, better op amps and with Dolby C etc. But in all fairness, the original yardstick for Nak was the 1000, much eclipsed now by the newer Naks. It was the deck that made the whole world stop & listen to hi-fi cassette capability. All that's been said here is true. However, if you call Jeff at ESL he will tell you that a full restoration on a 1000 will cost more than $1000. I know this because I was about to buy one for $50, was all excited (much like you) and then he took the wind out of my sails. First question he asked was "Why do you want to purchase a 1000, when there are so many better Nak decks out there?". "I dunno, for nostalgia's sake I guess", I blurted out, feeling somewhat stupid for saying that. He's right of course unless the deck is virtually given to you in running, respectable shape and you're willing to tinker (or know someone who can calibrate/fix it correctly for under $300 dollars), it's not worth it. Even at that, given the age, I think that $300 is too much money to sink into that deck. If that deck had been in your family for 30 yrs or it was your fathers, who is now deceased etc, then restoration might be an option on sentimental grounds-crazier things have been done.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 16:45:04 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:45:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too! In-Reply-To: <20070916233116.0CEE511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The first determinant is whether the flashing repeats with all tapes. Poor cassette shells are the primary cause of tape skew...and the reason NAAC was designed! If all tapes blink and click, even if it is just one direction, DO NOT adjust the heads! Clean well with a good light and magnifier. Check especially for dirty pinch rollers or strands of cotton swabs stuck on the heads or guides. I have found a few Dragons now with C859,C860 orange caps bad. I replaced the other orange caps just for good measure. Remember that each direction of play has separate alignments that are independent. While drift is possible in the adjustments, I tend to favor changing capacitor values causing phase shift as the source in in most cases. This being said, NAAC clicking can certainly be head alignment. The Dragon trick however is to dynamically align the play head...so the deck is very adept at misaligning itself! The first step in the manual is to open the cassette holder. The NAAC motor should reset to center, and it should do this for both directions. This is a good DIY check. If the center reset is off, then NAAC electrical alignment may be in order. Another DIY for Dragons that never stop clicking that you want to listen to without damaging the NAAC motor housing, find 2 pin connector red/brown CN-5 on the bottom board by the input level controls and unplg it AFTER doing the NAAC reset above. You will have a conventional Nakamichi deck with no azimuth adjustment. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of bastard Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too! I use my Dragon primarily for playback of commercially pre-recorded cassettes, & sometimes experience the NAAC motor clicking. Is Alex' comment about low quality pre-recorded cassettes significant? My understanding is that NAAC was specifically designed to extract maximum playback from ANY cassette. However, Alex' question to David regarding the direction of tape travel got me thinking; In my case I'm sure the clicking problem is more common when NAAC is attempting to calibrate for reverse playback, but again, is this significant? Even cassettes that are problematic sound fine in playback - whether NAAC has performed its task or not I don't know - but I've lost one or two to tape chewing during NAAC calibration! There's an entry in Scott's FAQ concerning this, wherein pinch roller pressure & the lubricity of the pinch roller shafts is stated as the likely problem. My pinch rollers are clean & free rolling. I would really appreciate the tech heads weighing in on this subject. The likes of David & myself are probably wondering if there's anything DIY we could try, or is this a repair for the experts, or, does tape type have some bearing on the problem, as Alex implies? Regards, Grant -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 16:46:54 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors In-Reply-To: <091620071732.24661.46ED68C8000B96170000605522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Before beginning at the beginning, you might follow the reel motor wires back to the connector. Nearby you may see an overheated transistor and resistor. Shorted reel motors are the common culprits in Sankyo mechs with blown fuses. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Testing Transistors OK, I have finally started digging into my dead CR-7A in hopes of fixing it. For the record, this unit was not working when I acquired it. This is going to be a really tough unit to fix, and may even wind up being no more than a parts unit, but I want to give it a really thorough try before saying last rites. I am starting with the power supply section, just to make sure that everything is OK on that basic level. For the record, the two 2.5 amp fuses in the power supply are both blown. The 1 amp fuse is OK. I have reason to believe that one of the bipolar transistors in the power supply may be dead or damaged, but I can't seem to get consistent readings on my digital multi-meter. I have used the ohm setting and the diode setting, but I don't get readings that are consistent enough to make a judgment call. Is there a more reliable method of testing transistors while they are still in the circuit? Any help with this will be much appreciated...along with any other applicable strategies. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 17:30:22 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too! In-Reply-To: <20070916233116.0CEE511581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9698.78163.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Too much NAAC lights flashing/ NAAC motor reaching the end of azimuth adjustments and starts clicking often - both indicate this Dragon needs attention by experienced tech. This is not user adjustable or repairable. Well aligned Dragon does not show such symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms are connected to DD motor adjustment coupled with head height/ track as well as NAAC Phase adjustment. It is not easy to point one here and so need all alignment tools and experience to get it to correct alignment. I know one Naltalker here whose Deck performs without problem for last two years or more after correct alignment ( which I have done) Kannan bastard wrote: I use my Dragon primarily for playback of commercially pre-recorded cassettes, & sometimes experience the NAAC motor clicking. Is Alex' comment about low quality pre-recorded cassettes significant? My understanding is that NAAC was specifically designed to extract maximum playback from ANY cassette. However, Alex' question to David regarding the direction of tape travel got me thinking; In my case I'm sure the clicking problem is more common when NAAC is attempting to calibrate for reverse playback, but again, is this significant? Even cassettes that are problematic sound fine in playback - whether NAAC has performed its task or not I don't know - but I've lost one or two to tape chewing during NAAC calibration! There's an entry in Scott's FAQ concerning this, wherein pinch roller pressure & the lubricity of the pinch roller shafts is stated as the likely problem. My pinch rollers are clean & free rolling. I would really appreciate the tech heads weighing in on this subject. The likes of David & myself are probably wondering if there's anything DIY we could try, or is this a repair for the experts, or, does tape type have some bearing on the problem, as Alex implies? Regards, Grant -- We've Got Your Name @ www.mail.com!!! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 19:00:59 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones In-Reply-To: <091720071338.4705.46EE836E000D7BDD0000126122165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <941199.98772.qm@web35113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> andy is the man!! hey i bought another nak! wowowow http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170147951693&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 i hope this link works since the auction has ended :D hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Jason: Allow me to comment on the "old Naks vs. new" discussion that began when you made some comments about your recently acquired 1000. In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, the work that ESL would do on your 1000 would be overkill, and so you should not think that the 1000 is obsolete or past its prime just because someone has quoted you a huge price to restore it. I am sure that ESL does great work, and I am sure that if you let them work on your 1000, you would be happy with the results. As someone pointed out, the big price that you were quoted for working on your 1000 would pretty much be in the same ballpark, no matter what model of Nak you brought them. So please don't think that the 1000 is a basket case based solely on the price of a complete (read: overkill) restoration. Electronic components fail FAR less often than one might think, especially if the deck in question has been taken care of. Even most belts have a surprisingly long service life. Keep in mind that the vast majority of these machines have spent their entire lives sitting in one spot in climate-controlled environments, being used only for an hour or so at a time. Not exactly a stress-filled existence. Compare this life with that of a typical guitar amplifier! I have some vintage tube guitar amplifiers that literally look like they have been kicked down a flight of stairs and then dragged behind a car, and still sound amazing. An extreme example? Possibly. But it does illustrate my point about the resilience of most electronic components....and let's not forget how well-built and well-engineered these incredible Naks decks were/are! Now to my second point: Just because some technician tells you that there are other Nak decks out there that outperform the 1000, should you throw the 1000 away? The answer is NO. I am positive that if you hooked up the 1000 to an oscilloscope and a T-100 analyzer and compared the data to that of, say, a ZX-9 or CR-7, the 1000 would be on the losing end of the scale. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND? Do you like what you hear? If so, then throw away the test data and enjoy the music. My point is that measurement data and pure number-crunching DOES have its place in assessing a piece of audio equipment, but that is only a small part of the entire story. We guitar players have a word that we use to describe the intangible positive qualities of a certain old guitar or amplifier...the word is "MOJO". This word is often used when you are looking at a guitar or amplifier that may not be the latest model, may not have the most features, may have been kicked around a bit...and may not even be the best-sounding one in the shop. But if that guitar or amplifier gives you "something" that makes you want to listen to it, enjoy it, and take care of it, then you say that it has "MOJO". My 700 will certainly never equal my ZX-9 or any of my other high-end Nak decks, especially if you look at its technical specifications or think about the range of modern features it DOESN'T have. But it certainly DOES have plenty of vintage "MOJO" coupled with a truly wonderful warm sound, and I get a tremendous kick out of using it. I am proud to say that it has taken its place in my collection and will stay with me just as long as any of my other "better" Naks. Forget about what some number-crunching technician told you...enjoy that MOJO and enjoy your 1000! If not, I'll buy it! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.edwards58 at virgin.net Tue Sep 18 01:05:07 2007 From: david.edwards58 at virgin.net (David Edwards) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:05:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC Light Message-ID: <002d01c7f97f$31012570$0200a8c0@homeduron1300> Many thanks for all your helpful replies, I thought I'd wait for a few to appear before answering. I've had very load clicking at times in the past with cheap cassettes and have whipped them out so fast, I hadn't noticed which direction they were playing. The current problem occurs with both (good quality - well, BBC anyway) pre-recorded cassettes and ones I've recorded myself - Maxell and TDK Chrome mainly. The right hand NAAC arrow works fine; flashing for a while before staying one, whilst the reverse direction arrow flashes much longer and may start again after a staying on briefly. The sound quality is variable as well in that direction. The clicking during the flashing is quiet, but audible. I will try Toms cleaning tips and hope for the best and failing that save up for a visit to B&W. I don't like the references to orange cap replacement as I'm not sure if B&W offer that service, even if I could afford it. I'll hope for the best with the cleaning though as the machine was serviced only 2 years ago and sees little use really. My RX505s never cause me any trouble!! I'm beginning to regret the Dragon purchase, I must say. Thanks once again. David From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 17 22:51:50 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:51:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones In-Reply-To: <941199.98772.qm@web35113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You will enjoy your 582. It is normal for the record level controls to be at slightly different levels. The pots didn't match very well. Trust the meters for best balance. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jason Rhamy Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones andy is the man!! hey i bought another nak! wowowow http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170147951693&ssPageN ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 i hope this link works since the auction has ended :D hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Jason: Allow me to comment on the "old Naks vs. new" discussion that began when you made some comments about your recently acquired 1000. In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, the work that ESL would do on your 1000 would be overkill, and so you should not think that the 1000 is obsolete or past its prime just because someone has quoted you a huge price to restore it. I am sure that ESL does great work, and I am sure that if you let them work on your 1000, you would be happy with the results. As someone pointed out, the big price that you were quoted for working on your 1000 would pretty much be in the same ballpark, no matter what model of Nak you brought them. So please don't think that the 1000 is a basket case based solely on the price of a complete (read: overkill) restoration. Electronic components fail FAR less often than one might think, especially if the deck in question has been taken care of. Even most belts have a surprisingly long service life. Keep in mind that the vast majority of these machines have spent their entire lives sitting in one spot in climate-controlled environments, being used only for an hour or so at a time. Not exactly a stress-filled existence. Compare this life with that of a typical guitar amplifier! I have some vintage tube guitar amplifiers that literally look like they have been kicked down a flight of stairs and then dragged behind a car, and still sound amazing. An extreme example? Possibly. But it does illustrate my point about the resilience of most electronic components....and let's not forget how well-built and well-engineered these incredible Naks decks were/are! Now to my second point: Just because some technician tells you that there are other Nak decks out there that outperform the 1000, should you throw the 1000 away? The answer is NO. I am positive that if you hooked up the 1000 to an oscilloscope and a T-100 analyzer and compared the data to that of, say, a ZX-9 or CR-7, the 1000 would be on the losing end of the scale. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND? Do you like what you hear? If so, then throw away the test data and enjoy the music. My point is that measurement data and pure number-crunching DOES have its place in assessing a piece of audio equipment, but that is only a small part of the entire story. We guitar players have a word that we use to describe the intangible positive qualities of a certain old guitar or amplifier...the word is "MOJO". This word is often used when you are looking at a guitar or amplifier that may not be the latest model, may not have the most features, may have been kicked around a bit...and may not even be the best-sounding one in the shop. But if that guitar or amplifier gives you "something" that makes you want to listen to it, enjoy it, and take care of it, then you say that it has "MOJO". My 700 will certainly never equal my ZX-9 or any of my other high-end Nak decks, especially if you look at its technical specifications or think about the range of modern features it DOESN'T have. But it certainly DOES have plenty of vintage "MOJO" coupled with a truly wonderful warm sound, and I get a tremendous kick out of using it. I am proud to say that it has taken its place in my collection and will stay with me just as long as any of my other "better" Naks. Forget about what some number-crunching technician told you...enjoy that MOJO and enjoy your 1000! If not, I'll buy it! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Tue Sep 18 05:21:28 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:21:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem Message-ID: <8C9C7BA22BBD801-2D0-3CFC@WEBMAIL-MA15.sysops.aol.com> Greetings Nakomaniacs! ???? I've got three MR-1's (two B's and a normal MR-1)and a BX-300 all doing exactly the same thing: When powered up, the transport controls (the lights) alternate between stop and play/pause continuously. They alternate about once per second back and forth.?The transport itself is dead. The capstans rotate, the take up slack feature works, but any input to the transport controls is ignored. While trying to troubleshoot one of them, I disconnected the entire transport and the controls still did exactly the same thing. The timer switch has no effect at all. Pressing the transport control buttons has no effect either. I have seen this behavior before on some MR-2's but the problem went away by itself. I acquired all of these machines in that condition so I have never seen them operate correctly. Anybody experience this condition before? What is the solution? Also, does anyone have the full MR-1 service manual they could e-mail me or post to one of the usual download sites? I can't find anything but the owners manual and the principle of operation. By the way, the MR-1 gets my vote for the biggest rats nest of wires of any Nak deck I have seen so far, followed closely by the BX-300! Thanks for all of your input! Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Tue Sep 18 05:44:50 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:44:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-2 belt replacement results Message-ID: <8C9C7BD663FF331-2D0-3DB5@WEBMAIL-MA15.sysops.aol.com> Before I left the country last month for vacation and business, I had posted that I had replaced an MR-2 drive belt with a PRB replacement, part # FRX 6.7. It was almost twice as thick as the original and the results were shocking- 0.35% W+F, horrible! I put the old belt back on to see if it was really the belt or if my drive motor was out of whack, the old, original Nak belt measured at 0.11% peak and 0.06% WTD, as measured on my Leader LFM-39A W+F meter. Exactly to Nakamichi published specifications. I didn't think a belt could make such a difference on the low-tech Sankyo 2 head transports. I had heard about the critical nature of the OCO8096C belt for the classic transports but thought it was only a classic transport thing. I guess the direct drive transports aren't as particular with their drive belts but unfortunately, all of my direct drive machines are having a logic problem and are OOC (see my post about MR-1 logic problem). I have got some other replacement belts coming in from different sources and will post the results when I get them. In PRB's defense, their SCY 7.0 belt is a near perfect match for the NAK OCO8604A, the counter belt on the MR-2 and BX-100/BX-125. I'm puttin together a master list of all NAK belts and known alternates and my results with all of them. It's a work in progress and probably won't be done for a while but I'll post it when I get it closer to being more complete. Anyway, thought you all might be interested in my findings about the MR-2 belt, as it applies to all of the lower end BX/CR/RX series of decks as well. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 06:52:18 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:52:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Another Strange Deck... Message-ID: <091820070452.24884.46EF598200017CD00000613422155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Beautiful deck...don't know how good it is, but it's nice looking! What the heck is the third VU meter for? http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-CT-F700-Cassette-Deck-with-Wood-Case_W0QQitemZ290161895458QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 06:57:35 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:57:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Another Strange Deck... Message-ID: <091820070457.3516.46EF5ABF0007D2C000000DBC22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Forget my question about the third VU meter. I didn't take the time to read the item description! Now I know! From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 02:27:23 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 Message-ID: <218972.25196.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> "Bear in mind the Jeff would price nearly any Nak that was going to get a full workover at probably close to $1000 (I'm not saying that as a judgment, but as a statement of the comprehensive work he does). If you're going to ESL then yes, might as well make it a ZX-7 or something to make the investment really worthwhile. What I'm saying here is that one man's estimate should not be considered gospel as far as what it will take to get an old machine up to spec, especially when that estimate represents a complete rebuild!" Ed, I never said Jeff @ESL was the only show in town. In fact, I found a guy over in Portland who works on them at a flate rate of $75/hr until they are fixed. He was highly recommended and I had some dialog with him already in email. I threw Jeff out there because when he walks away from a Nak, it is virtually new-but there's a price to pay for that, obviously. He's too rich for my blood, but I recommend him all the time as the utmost in Nak restoration. "PS While the 1000, 700, 600, etc... have all been eclipsed by newer models in strict terms performance wise, I dare anyone on this list to come up with a warmer and more musically pleasing machine. Remember that vacuum tubes are ancient technology too and that solid state devices do perform much better... so why are there tubes in my pre amp?" Well, depends on what school of though you come from after all things considered. I'm from the Peter Aczel school in which there has yet to be anybody come forward in ABX listening test and identify their $25,000.00 'Wondarbar' amp against a lowly Pioneer amp for $300, at exactly the same listening levels over 50% of the time-the law of averages. Given both amps have low THD over 20-20,00Hz, high impedance input and low impedance output. You tube fanciers be damned (tongue & cheek of course)-solid state does everything better than tubes. The tube "warmness" you're hearing is inaccurate, colored music reproduction, however pleasing it is to many. Therefore, your argument is with Peter and not me, because he has the definitive word on it, the experience (even before most of us were born) and the research/testing/science to back up his claims. He started in tubes and they were his first love-if he thought they had THE definitive sound today, he would gladly be in that camp-he is not. After you purchase a decent solid state amp, the real audible changes upwards in your system come from the SPEAKERS. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 02:48:08 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <808139.78371.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> "I think you're trying to put words in my mouth - I said that by waiting until the 90 days are about to expire, a retaliatory negative response would not be likely. During those 90 days, the other party has every opportunity to leave what they feel is appropriate feedback - there's nothing stopping them from leaving negative feedback during that time other than the obvious fear of getting retaliatory feedback (but they could just as easily leave last minute feedback too)." Come on Geoffrey, that amounts to the same thing. You're waiting/hoping that given enough time, the other person will probably not post any negative feedback and/or run out of time to respond with juvenile, retaliatory feedback. Therefore, closer to 90 days it's safer to post a negative feedback without receiving retaliatory feedback. You already admitted it was "slimy" practice-'nough said. Obviously, if you want to conduct your ebay affairs that way, do it....I choose not to. "My approach simply minimizes the chances of getting unwarrented retaliatory feedback while giving me the opportunity to leave HONEST feedback rather than living in fear and giving them positive feedback that they don't deserve (which would be a disservice to future potential buyers)." If you didn't live in "fear", you'd leave negative feedback at the very first opportunity, not closer to 90 days. And as I said, if there were some negatives involved with the purchase process, but on the whole I'm satisfied, I see nothing wrong with putting the negatives inside an overall positive feedback. Why is it you're so sure that another buyer (most buyers) won't read/understand that? Also, I was trying to delineate between dealing with 'power sellers' and low volume ebayers. I'm not decided yet on 'neutrals', because I think it worked against me with ESL-not sure I'll do that again soon. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 03:21:20 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones Message-ID: <275988.6290.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com> "In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, the work that ESL would do on your 1000 would be overkill, and so you should not think that the 1000 is obsolete or past its prime just because someone has quoted you a huge price to restore it. I am sure that ESL does great work, and I am sure that if you let them work on your 1000, you would be happy with the results." Yes they do and although I recommend/praise them for their work, I should point out again that they are not the only show in town. They are so expensive, that I would never personally use them. "As someone pointed out, the big price that you were quoted for working on your 1000 would pretty much be in the same ballpark, no matter what model of Nak you brought them. So please don't think that the 1000 is a basket case based solely on the price of a complete (read: overkill) restoration." Jeff at ESL was patiently making the case for newer Naks like the ZX-9, because of the electronic advances in sound recording/reproduction that came after the 1000/700 et all. He wasn't ever saying that the build quality or components parts quality were 'better'. Most of us know they are not. If they (Nak) had built the ZX-9 for example, with the same care and quality in parts that they had built into the 700/1000, most of us wouldn't ever be able to touch one, even now. "Now to my second point: Just because some technician tells you that there are other Nak decks out there that outperform the 1000, should you throw the 1000 away? The answer is NO. I am positive that if you hooked up the 1000 to an oscilloscope and a T-100 analyzer and compared the data to that of, say, a ZX-9 or CR-7, the 1000 would be on the losing end of the scale. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND? Do you like what you hear? If so, then throw away the test data and enjoy the music." But most/many of us, since we are rehashing this top-end stuff in the first place, come from the school of thought that we want the BEST sound reproduction possible through the newest and best electronics of 'vintage' equipment. Not to limp along with an old dog that was the absolute star of its day-unless for purely sentimental reasons. The same reason one would pick a late 70's Onkyo receiver over an earlier Marantz with lesser specs. Much more romance, 'warm sound' and sex appeal in that lit up Marantz, but the real value and performance lies in the big Onkyo. "My point is that measurement data and pure number-crunching DOES have its place in assessing a piece of audio equipment, but that is only a small part of the entire story. We guitar players have a word that we use to describe the intangible positive qualities of a certain old guitar or amplifier...the word is "MOJO". This word is often used when you are looking at a guitar or amplifier that may not be the latest model, may not have the most features, may have been kicked around a bit...and may not even be the best-sounding one in the shop. But if that guitar or amplifier gives you "something" that makes you want to listen to it, enjoy it, and take care of it, then you say that it has "MOJO". " You can't see or measure "MOJO" as much as Jim Morrison would have liked to. This is 'feel good' phenomena buying, where pleasure stems from the amount of money spent and bragging rights. Since my time is limited, I'll pass on the MOJO items till the day when I have nothing better to do than fill my home with nostalgia, any nostalgia from the 70's. Although from an historic perspective, I support the people who buy MOJO items, if for no other reason, they would shortly disappear for any of us to ever see again, except in a museum. Really, it's nice to have these choices.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 06:09:54 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ebay feedback Message-ID: <934428.99224.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Geoffery, this is what ebay says on the matter:"Threatening to leave negative or neutral feedback for another member *[unless the other member provides goods or services not included in the original listing]* is not permitted." Did you not read my post? I said it wasn't just a threat because I intended to follow though with it BECAUSE of misrepresentation, a broken unit, lost pieces etc (real violation of auction rules), UNLESS they made the transaction right by replacement, repair or refund. That would be exactly "goods or services not included in the original listing". I said specifically that I was NOT advocating hijacking the seller with just threats of negative feedback. Yes, clearly we agree to disagree, so it's moot to continue-long live Naks! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 08:44:14 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem In-Reply-To: <8C9C7BA22BBD801-2D0-3CFC@WEBMAIL-MA15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <69738.13519.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe your mode motor is stuck in a dead spot. Try moving it slightly and turn on power again. danbarham at aol.com wrote: Greetings Nakomaniacs! I've got three MR-1's (two B's and a normal MR-1)and a BX-300 all doing exactly the same thing: When powered up, the transport controls (the lights) alternate between stop and play/pause continuously. They alternate about once per second back and forth. The transport itself is dead. The capstans rotate, the take up slack feature works, but any input to the transport controls is ignored. While trying to troubleshoot one of them, I disconnected the entire transport and the controls still did exactly the same thing. The timer switch has no effect at all. Pressing the transport control buttons has no effect either. I have seen this behavior before on some MR-2's but the problem went away by itself. I acquired all of these machines in that condition so I have never seen them operate correctly. Anybody experience this condition before? What is the solution? Also, does anyone have the full MR-1 service manual they could e-mail me or post to one of the ! usual download sites? I can't find anything but the owners manual and the principle of operation. By the way, the MR-1 gets my vote for the biggest rats nest of wires of any Nak deck I have seen so far, followed closely by the BX-300! Thanks for all of your input! Dan --------------------------------- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkbs32 at pacific.net.sg Wed Sep 19 02:12:00 2007 From: rkbs32 at pacific.net.sg (richard) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:12:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naka 1000ii Message-ID: <200709180909.l8I98RQP026166@zxe.naks.com> Hi to all Naka fans, I own a BX300 and have just bought a Naka 1000ii. Playback on the 1000ii was superb but unfortunately it could not record. I cleaned all the 3 heads, pinch roller and demagnetised the heads before doing recording. What could be the fault. Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Richard From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 11:34:38 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Another Strange Deck... In-Reply-To: <091820070452.24884.46EF598200017CD00000613422155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <68486.56964.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey that looks alot like my kenwood 830! minus the extra vu meter! what is that about?? very odd hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Beautiful deck...don't know how good it is, but it's nice looking! What the heck is the third VU meter for? http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-CT-F700-Cassette-Deck-with-Wood-Case_W0QQitemZ290161895458QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 18 13:05:42 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:05:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <218972.25196.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> References: <218972.25196.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46EFB106.7020703@snet.net> >The tube "warmness" you're hearing >is inaccurate, colored music reproduction, however >pleasing it is to many. Therefore, your argument is >with Peter and not me, because he has the definitive >word on it, the experience (even before most of us >were born) and the research/testing/science to back up >his claims. He started in tubes and they were his >first love-if he thought they had THE definitive sound >today, he would gladly be in that camp-he is not. >After you purchase a decent solid state amp, the real >audible changes upwards in your system come from the >SPEAKERS. > > Without going too far off topic, I would add that you are absolutely correct as far as I'm concerned. The funny thing is that the more time I've spent tinkering with this audio thing (almost 40 years), the more I've discovered that absolute accuracy is not something that pleases me as much as I wish it did! When I owned a pair of B&W Nautilus speakers, I marveled at their analysis of every musical detail, but found it frustrating that I wasn't really enjoying the listening at the most profound emotional level. I kept them for a while as an absolute reference of sorts, but finally sold them when I realized they were spending more time out of the system than in it. Perhaps I'm in love with a euphonic presentation (tell me sweet little lies?). This could be the case, or maybe the whole process of sound reproduction (thanks to the amazingly flawed nature of speakers in general) is so poor that it could use all the "help" it can get, whether from tubes or transistors or even Nakamichi 700's. Fortunately, I'm not convinced that any of us really has to answer that question. Individually, we all know what we like like and as long as we can find that sound (coloured or otherwise) that makes us happy AND be respectful of others differences in taste, then there's no reason that this can't be a big enough world for all the different kinds of audio gear... except for Bose ;-) Ed From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 18 13:08:01 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:08:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another Strange Deck... In-Reply-To: <091820070452.24884.46EF598200017CD00000613422155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <091820070452.24884.46EF598200017CD00000613422155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46EFB191.8050407@snet.net> If I recall correctly, the third meter was for adjusting the bias level. Ed hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >Beautiful deck...don't know how good it is, but it's nice looking! > >What the heck is the third VU meter for? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-CT-F700-Cassette-Deck-with-Wood-Case_W0QQitemZ290161895458QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From danbarham at aol.com Tue Sep 18 13:45:10 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:45:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR-1 logic problem Message-ID: <8C9C800807EF40F-F60-464B@WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the feedback Scott! I have successfully used your method about bumping a stuck control motor to remedy this problem on some MR-2's showing the same symptoms but it doesn't seem to be the case with the MR-1's and BX-300. One of the MR-1's had the transport completely removed from the chassis with all connectors disconnected?and it still did the same thing. Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 18 15:04:40 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:04:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <46EFB106.7020703@snet.net> References: <218972.25196.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> <46EFB106.7020703@snet.net> Message-ID: <46EFCCE8.3010008@rcn.com> Edward Noyes wrote: > > [......] > > The funny thing is that the more time I've spent tinkering > with this audio thing (almost 40 years), the more I've discovered >that absolute accuracy is not something that pleases me as much as > I wish it did! In other words, you wouldn't have enjoyed the original music, as heard during the the recording session, at all? By definition, an *accurately* reproduced recording is much closer to it then the distorted, 'warm' reproduction you prefer. > [.....] > Individually, we all know what we like like and as long as we > can find that sound (coloured or otherwise) that makes us happy AND be > respectful > of others differences in taste, then there's no reason that this can't > be a big enough world for all the different kinds of audio gear... It is, so I am not questioning your preferences. On the emotional level, to each his own. On the intellectual level, though, I find them difficult to understand. -- Ron From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 15:17:34 2007 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:17:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flashing NAAC light - mine too In-Reply-To: <200709181000.l8IA0SlJ026936@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709181000.l8IA0SlJ026936@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <46EFCFEE.1070202@sbcglobal.net> Kannan said: "Too much NAAC lights flashing/ NAAC motor reaching the end of azimuth adjustments and starts clicking often - both indicate this Dragon needs attention by experienced tech. This is not user adjustable or repairable. Well aligned Dragon does not show such symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms are connected to DD motor adjustment coupled with head height/ track as well as NAAC Phase adjustment. It is not easy to point one here and so need all alignment tools and experience to get it to correct alignment. I know one Naltalker here whose Deck performs without problem for last two years or more after correct alignment ( which I have done)" Ken says: That would probably be my Dragon Kannan is talking about. And yes, it has worked great now for some time since Kannan fixed it. But the suggestion to really scrub the heads and tape path clean is a good one. I have noticed that just the smallest amount of dirt on the left channel side of the playback head will cause the Dragon to malfunction. Usually the first symptom is strange readings when calibrating a new tape. Maybe you can't get one channel to 0db on the bias or level adjustment. But with my beast, before Kannan figured out the trouble, the long flashing would follow with clicking, then the beast ate himself a nice new metal tape. Kannan spent hours getting it into proper adjustment. And the deck continues to amaze me with its pure analog sweet sound! One of my favorite toys! > > > > > > > > > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 16:09:53 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:09:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones In-Reply-To: <275988.6290.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To the "mojo" point. Always remember that there are as yet unmeasureable audio characteristics that can be reliably detected by experienced listeners on systems they are intimately familiar with. MOJO is as good a description as any. How about "it just sounds 'right'". A good example is to listen to tuners. There are tuners with MOJO, that are matched spec-wise by so many other lackluster units. The Tandberg cassette decks had some MOJO. They sound musical to everyone who hears them. Measuring musicality will never make anyone rich, so it remains a "subjective" , if not lunatic fringe audio quality. Dynamic compression is one wilderness that cassette decks are rarely evaluated for. If I record level A, I should get level A back for all volumes of A. The reality is that a deck calibrated at -20Vu for perfect level match at 400Hz compresses almost 1 dB at 0Vu. Naks do not do this. Compression becomes serious at +5Vu on most decks. Naks vary, from none (1000ZXL) to mild (-1/2dB). Could this be what we hear in our Naks? Could this be the reason the ZXL is worth a thousand dollars more? I am a great believer in dynamic range, I know it when I hear it, and love it. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re:[naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones "In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, the work that ESL would do on your 1000 would be overkill, and so you should not think that the 1000 is obsolete or past its prime just because someone has quoted you a huge price to restore it. I am sure that ESL does great work, and I am sure that if you let them work on your 1000, you would be happy with the results." Yes they do and although I recommend/praise them for their work, I should point out again that they are not the only show in town. They are so expensive, that I would never personally use them. "As someone pointed out, the big price that you were quoted for working on your 1000 would pretty much be in the same ballpark, no matter what model of Nak you brought them. So please don't think that the 1000 is a basket case based solely on the price of a complete (read: overkill) restoration." Jeff at ESL was patiently making the case for newer Naks like the ZX-9, because of the electronic advances in sound recording/reproduction that came after the 1000/700 et all. He wasn't ever saying that the build quality or components parts quality were 'better'. Most of us know they are not. If they (Nak) had built the ZX-9 for example, with the same care and quality in parts that they had built into the 700/1000, most of us wouldn't ever be able to touch one, even now. "Now to my second point: Just because some technician tells you that there are other Nak decks out there that outperform the 1000, should you throw the 1000 away? The answer is NO. I am positive that if you hooked up the 1000 to an oscilloscope and a T-100 analyzer and compared the data to that of, say, a ZX-9 or CR-7, the 1000 would be on the losing end of the scale. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SOUND? Do you like what you hear? If so, then throw away the test data and enjoy the music." But most/many of us, since we are rehashing this top-end stuff in the first place, come from the school of thought that we want the BEST sound reproduction possible through the newest and best electronics of 'vintage' equipment. Not to limp along with an old dog that was the absolute star of its day-unless for purely sentimental reasons. The same reason one would pick a late 70's Onkyo receiver over an earlier Marantz with lesser specs. Much more romance, 'warm sound' and sex appeal in that lit up Marantz, but the real value and performance lies in the big Onkyo. "My point is that measurement data and pure number-crunching DOES have its place in assessing a piece of audio equipment, but that is only a small part of the entire story. We guitar players have a word that we use to describe the intangible positive qualities of a certain old guitar or amplifier...the word is "MOJO". This word is often used when you are looking at a guitar or amplifier that may not be the latest model, may not have the most features, may have been kicked around a bit...and may not even be the best-sounding one in the shop. But if that guitar or amplifier gives you "something" that makes you want to listen to it, enjoy it, and take care of it, then you say that it has "MOJO". " You can't see or measure "MOJO" as much as Jim Morrison would have liked to. This is 'feel good' phenomena buying, where pleasure stems from the amount of money spent and bragging rights. Since my time is limited, I'll pass on the MOJO items till the day when I have nothing better to do than fill my home with nostalgia, any nostalgia from the 70's. Although from an historic perspective, I support the people who buy MOJO items, if for no other reason, they would shortly disappear for any of us to ever see again, except in a museum. Really, it's nice to have these choices.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 18 16:12:50 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:12:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naka 1000ii In-Reply-To: <200709180909.l8I98RQP026166@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Will it erase? If so, bias is ok. You will have to open the deck (manual recommended) and retension the contacts in every edge connector, particularly the head connector. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of richard Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naka 1000ii Hi to all Naka fans, I own a BX300 and have just bought a Naka 1000ii. Playback on the 1000ii was superb but unfortunately it could not record. I cleaned all the 3 heads, pinch roller and demagnetised the heads before doing recording. What could be the fault. Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 16:33:59 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:33:59 +0000 Subject: Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem Message-ID: <091820071433.3751.46EFE1D7000717EE00000EA722155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dan: The problems you are having with your BX-300 and MR-1 decks reminded me of a couple of problems I have experienced with a BX-300 that had a couple of different tape transport problems in the past. My BX-300 is OK now, though (touch wood!). Here is what happened with my deck: PROBLEM NUMBER 1: The situation you describe with the lights flashing on the tape transport buttons happened to me, but it turned out that the control motor leaf switches were a bit dirty. This only happened one time, whilst I was poking around inside the deck trying to fix another problem, so I may have caused the weird flashing myself. In my case, the deck went into PAUSE and STOP mode simultaneously and wouldn't correct itself until I blasted the control motor leaf switches with contact cleaner AND gently nudged the control motor shaft to get it spinning again. This problem has not occurred again (touch wood again!). PROBLEM NUMBER 2 - BAD NEWS: The second problem I had turned out to be more serious, and I'm afraid that it may have been the same problem that you are having with your decks, although with slightly different symptoms. In my case, the deck kept returning itself to PLAY mode, even after hitting STOP, and even with no tape in the machine. The digital tape counter also kept re-setting itself to "0000". It turned out that my deck's logic IC had somehow "gone mental" and was no longer able to properly control the functions of the deck. The IC chip in question is mounted on the small PC board that is mounted just behind the PC board for the tape transport buttons. To fix this problem, I had to get the same exact IC chip out of a Nak parts deck (CR-3A). As you may know, this IC chip was specially programmed for Nakamichi and an "off the shelf" IC chip won't work. The deck now works fine. I have NO IDEA how or why my deck's logic IC went crazy, and I certainly hope it doesn't happen again! *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 16:39:06 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem In-Reply-To: <8C9C7BA22BBD801-2D0-3CFC@WEBMAIL-MA15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <865690.94591.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your decks have the same mode cam motor issue - you can reclaaim them by removing and using burnishing tool after openig it. This is the only thing I hate about Sankyo transport ( alog with reel motor going dead is another painful issue) Kannan I have a new mode cam motor but costs god money ( from Nalamichi original spare part) danbarham at aol.com wrote: Greetings Nakomaniacs! I've got three MR-1's (two B's and a normal MR-1)and a BX-300 all doing exactly the same thing: When powered up, the transport controls (the lights) alternate between stop and play/pause continuously. They alternate about once per second back and forth. The transport itself is dead. The capstans rotate, the take up slack feature works, but any input to the transport controls is ignored. While trying to troubleshoot one of them, I disconnected the entire transport and the controls still did exactly the same thing. The timer switch has no effect at all. Pressing the transport control buttons has no effect either. I have seen this behavior before on some MR-2's but the problem went away by itself. I acquired all of these machines in that condition so I have never seen them operate correctly. Anybody experience this condition before? What is the solution? Also, does anyone have the full MR-1 service manual they could e-mail me or post to one of the ! usual download sites? I can't find anything but the owners manual and the principle of operation. By the way, the MR-1 gets my vote for the biggest rats nest of wires of any Nak deck I have seen so far, followed closely by the BX-300! Thanks for all of your input! Dan --------------------------------- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 18 17:28:52 2007 From: wotbob at sbcglobal.net (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem In-Reply-To: <8C9C7BA22BBD801-2D0-3CFC@WEBMAIL-MA15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <267773.8435.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone on this group e-mailed me a service man for a bx300. I have recently moved and have no PC at home yet but I do have the file on a hard drive. This may or may not help you but I hope to get the home PC up and running by the end of the week. If you still need it by then I'll e-mail it to you, or someone else may have it now??? Bob danbarham at aol.com wrote: Greetings Nakomaniacs! I've got three MR-1's (two B's and a normal MR-1)and a BX-300 all doing exactly the same thing: When powered up, the transport controls (the lights) alternate between stop and play/pause continuously. They alternate about once per second back and forth. The transport itself is dead. The capstans rotate, the take up slack feature works, but any input to the transport controls is ignored. While trying to troubleshoot one of them, I disconnected the entire transport and the controls still did exactly the same thing. The timer switch has no effect at all. Pressing the transport control buttons has no effect either. I have seen this behavior before on some MR-2's but the problem went away by itself. I acquired all of these machines in that condition so I have never seen them operate correctly. Anybody experience this condition before? What is the solution? Also, does anyone have the full MR-1 service manual they could e-mail me or post to one of the ! usual download sites? I can't find anything but the owners manual and the principle of operation. By the way, the MR-1 gets my vote for the biggest rats nest of wires of any Nak deck I have seen so far, followed closely by the BX-300! Thanks for all of your input! Dan --------------------------------- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Sep 18 21:31:51 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:31:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 550 repair experiences.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <558E6917-0E6F-4A37-B2B5-14B78F49548F@thegreatbear.net> i've taken my time on this one.. but finally got around to looking at this today.. thanks for your help on this tom, I've managed to get to this spring but it wasn't really misaligned - I think the problem seems to be that the braking fingers have become worn and do not provide enough braking force when changing direction.. I doubt spares are available for these - other than find NOS parts would the best solution be to try to build up the braking surface somehow or bend the sprung braking finger slightly to offer more force? thanks adrian On 29 Jun 2007, at 23:22, wrote: > I finished it 3 weeks ago. Your problem is caused by a stainless > spring that > sits between the two reels, which has 2 braking fingers which > engage the > reel table bottoms every time the reel idler changes direction. If you > remove the cassette well cover plate, this steel spring can be > seen. It has > a slotted screw in the middle sealed with lock paint. Loosen the > screw 1/4 > turn, and position the spring so the knuckle sits exactly on the > highest > point of the idler (which is below in a little window). Tighten the > screw, > and check that the spring raises and lowers each time you move from > FF to > RW, and is up in stop mode. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] 550 repair experiences.. > > > Tom > > have you looked at the 550 you recently said you'd be working on soon? > > I still have an issue going from RW into FF or play and vice versa > where the reels spin the wrong way initially for a second - maybe a > torque issue - i've replaced the main drive / capstan belt but still > the same. > > > It's a great machine though and sounds very good to me, although I > haven't fed it with batteries and mics yet! Just recorded in the > house. > > > > adrian > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 21:59:51 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:59:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones Message-ID: <091820071959.2898.46F02E36000CD52400000B5222165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> "But most/many of us, since we are rehashing this top-end stuff in the first place, come from the school of thought that we want the BEST sound reproduction possible through the newest and best electronics of 'vintage' equipment. Not to limp along with an old dog that was the absolute star of its day-unless for purely sentimental reasons. The same reason one would pick a late 70's Onkyo receiver over an earlier Marantz with lesser specs. Much more romance, 'warm sound' and sex appeal in that lit up Marantz, but the real value and performance lies in the big Onkyo." Kevin: When I read this, two thoughts came to mind. First, there are those who would never consider ANY cassette deck--even a Nakamichi--to be a "top-end" audio reproduction source. In this age of CD's, downloaded music, and iPods, the lowly cassette is considered by quite a few people to be a black sheep indeed--even a toy. So if I'm reading you right, your argument that there are are "newer" and "better" Nak decks than the 700 or 1000 may be true from where I'm standing--inside the circle of people who like to listen to cassettes, to be precise--but outside that circle, many people think that NONE of our decks are good enough. My point is this: It's all a matter of perspective, and by many others' standards, we ALL are skating on thin ice when we assert that one deck is better than another and/or one deck is more "top-end" than another, when in fact, by others' standards, they are ALL inferior...so we should just enjoy the decks that we enjoy! After all, we are ALL "nuts", so why sweat it if we don't happen to have a deck that most would consider to be "top-end"? Secondly, with the first thought in mind, I have to say that I would hardly consider listening to a 700 or a 1000 to be "limping along with an old dog". These decks may be old, and they may not have some more modern features such as the ability to use metal tape, but they are still capable of delivering truly world-class performance within their scope of ability. Just listen to a couple of things Julian Hirsch said when he reviewed the 700 Tri-Tracer in 1973: "With Nakamichi CrO2 tape, the performance was...an almost incredible +/- 1.5 dB from 46 to 22,500 Hz." ----This is NOT the total frequency response of the 700, but it is important to note the extremely LOW measured variance throughout this frequency range. There are many Nak decks--and even some CD players--that can't stay within 1.5 dB from 0 dB (flat response)! "We could not measure the 700's combined wow and flutter because it was below the residual level of our test tape." ----The 700 has wow-and-flutter figures that are right in line with many more modern Naks. Ever looked at its tape transport? It's built like a TANK, with flywheels that weigh more than some other competitors' decks--I mean their ENTIRE DECK. No "limping" here, I can assure you. "...we would rank (the Nakamichi 700) as the best cassette recorder we've ever tested and one of the best tape recorders of any type we have ever used." ----Yes, there weren't that many high-end cassette decks around in 1973, but there were plenty of decent reel-to-reel decks, and Mr. Hirsch is putting the 700's performance up against even those recognized high performers. If you are like the vast majority of Nak users, then you own at least two different Nak decks--which means that it is impossible for those different decks to be truly equal in all areas of tape sound reproduction. Using your logic, the deck(s) that are judged to be "inferior" must immediately be thrown out; otherwise, we could be accused of wanting something other than the BEST sound reproduction possible. "You can't see or measure "MOJO" as much as Jim Morrison would have liked to. This is 'feel good' phenomena buying, where pleasure stems from the amount of money spent and bragging rights." Nothing could be further from the truth, at least in my experience. One of my all-time favourite guitars is a beat-up old Stratocaster that was cobbled together from spare parts. I found it in a little music shop and paid $250 for it. To me, it sounds and feels incredible, and I wouldn't take $2500 for it. In my opinion, MOJO has very little to do with paying large sums of money--in fact, getting a bargain is absolutely one of the key ingredients to MOJO--and even less to do with being able to brag, since quite often the owner of the MOJO item actually has to DEFEND his purchase, because its appeal may not be so apparent to anyone else. Yes, the MOJO I get from my 700 may be hard to pin down (and impossible for you to see), but keep this in mind: The word BEST is just as hard to quantify as the word MOJO. I think I'll go listen to my 700 now. *andy* From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 22:29:15 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs. New Ones In-Reply-To: <091820071959.2898.46F02E36000CD52400000B5222165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <729628.90370.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hey this is awesome reading!!! hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: "But most/many of us, since we are rehashing this top-end stuff in the first place, come from the school of thought that we want the BEST sound reproduction possible through the newest and best electronics of 'vintage' equipment. Not to limp along with an old dog that was the absolute star of its day-unless for purely sentimental reasons. The same reason one would pick a late 70's Onkyo receiver over an earlier Marantz with lesser specs. Much more romance, 'warm sound' and sex appeal in that lit up Marantz, but the real value and performance lies in the big Onkyo." Kevin: When I read this, two thoughts came to mind. First, there are those who would never consider ANY cassette deck--even a Nakamichi--to be a "top-end" audio reproduction source. In this age of CD's, downloaded music, and iPods, the lowly cassette is considered by quite a few people to be a black sheep indeed--even a toy. So if I'm reading you right, your argument that there are are "newer" and "better" Nak decks than the 700 or 1000 may be true from where I'm standing--inside the circle of people who like to listen to cassettes, to be precise--but outside that circle, many people think that NONE of our decks are good enough. My point is this: It's all a matter of perspective, and by many others' standards, we ALL are skating on thin ice when we assert that one deck is better than another and/or one deck is more "top-end" than another, when in fact, by others' standards, they are ALL inferior...so we should just enjoy the decks that we enjoy! After all, we are ALL "nuts", so why sweat it if we don't happen to have a de! ck that most would consider to be "top-end"? Secondly, with the first thought in mind, I have to say that I would hardly consider listening to a 700 or a 1000 to be "limping along with an old dog". These decks may be old, and they may not have some more modern features such as the ability to use metal tape, but they are still capable of delivering truly world-class performance within their scope of ability. Just listen to a couple of things Julian Hirsch said when he reviewed the 700 Tri-Tracer in 1973: "With Nakamichi CrO2 tape, the performance was...an almost incredible +/- 1.5 dB from 46 to 22,500 Hz." ----This is NOT the total frequency response of the 700, but it is important to note the extremely LOW measured variance throughout this frequency range. There are many Nak decks--and even some CD players--that can't stay within 1.5 dB from 0 dB (flat response)! "We could not measure the 700's combined wow and flutter because it was below the residual level of our test tape." ----The 700 has wow-and-flutter figures that are right in line with many more modern Naks. Ever looked at its tape transport? It's built like a TANK, with flywheels that weigh more than some other competitors' decks--I mean their ENTIRE DECK. No "limping" here, I can assure you. "...we would rank (the Nakamichi 700) as the best cassette recorder we've ever tested and one of the best tape recorders of any type we have ever used." ----Yes, there weren't that many high-end cassette decks around in 1973, but there were plenty of decent reel-to-reel decks, and Mr. Hirsch is putting the 700's performance up against even those recognized high performers. If you are like the vast majority of Nak users, then you own at least two different Nak decks--which means that it is impossible for those different decks to be truly equal in all areas of tape sound reproduction. Using your logic, the deck(s) that are judged to be "inferior" must immediately be thrown out; otherwise, we could be accused of wanting something other than the BEST sound reproduction possible. "You can't see or measure "MOJO" as much as Jim Morrison would have liked to. This is 'feel good' phenomena buying, where pleasure stems from the amount of money spent and bragging rights." Nothing could be further from the truth, at least in my experience. One of my all-time favourite guitars is a beat-up old Stratocaster that was cobbled together from spare parts. I found it in a little music shop and paid $250 for it. To me, it sounds and feels incredible, and I wouldn't take $2500 for it. In my opinion, MOJO has very little to do with paying large sums of money--in fact, getting a bargain is absolutely one of the key ingredients to MOJO--and even less to do with being able to brag, since quite often the owner of the MOJO item actually has to DEFEND his purchase, because its appeal may not be so apparent to anyone else. Yes, the MOJO I get from my 700 may be hard to pin down (and impossible for you to see), but keep this in mind: The word BEST is just as hard to quantify as the word MOJO. I think I'll go listen to my 700 now. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Sep 19 04:04:40 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:04:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 1000 In-Reply-To: <46EFCCE8.3010008@rcn.com> References: <218972.25196.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> <46EFB106.7020703@snet.net> <46EFCCE8.3010008@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46F083B8.10103@snet.net> > > In other words, you wouldn't have enjoyed the original > music, as heard during the the recording session, at > all? I enjoy it quite well, just as I can enjoy an MP3 through my iPod and in ear headphones. The key word hear is music because that ought to be the starting point for enjoyment, not the delivery mechanism. With respect to the delivery mechanism, well that's a matter of degree. I can enjoy a tape played on a cheap walkman, but I'll enjoy it much more over a CR7a. > By definition, an *accurately* reproduced > recording is much closer to it then the distorted, > 'warm' reproduction you prefer. This is where it gets a little murky... enjoy the original performance from what perspective during the recording session. As it turns out I work in a facility which has a large scale rcording facility. When I was sitting in a bit to take in the proceedings when a favorite jazz artist was recording, it was interesting to note that the sound inside the performance space was vastly different than the sound heard in the control room. In addition, EQ was used at the console, not to mention outboard, not to mention at least a few old DBX compressors and some Universal Audio opto-electrical ones. Then there's the lexicon LXP-42 reverbs and the large EMI plate reverb that the trumpet was sent through and the tube mic pre amps, etc... I guess that what I'm saying is that unless you're talking Telarc or the likes with minimalist micing and no external processing, well, accurate becomes a very tricky term to pin down. Even if it means hearing as the engineer or producer intended, well, what if they mixed on Altec co-axial horns (Big Reds), or even worse, Yamaha NS-10's (truly dreadful - trust me), or maybe different (and decent) speakers. Is it reasonalble to expect that yours or anyone else's speakers are going to be an accurate reflection of that environment? Ed From danbarham at aol.com Wed Sep 19 07:27:40 2007 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:27:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 logic problem update Message-ID: <8C9C894EE437BF0-5F0-5C9@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com> After reading through the principles of operation, some serious contemplation and head scratching, and some excellent suggestions from Scott and Andy, I finally got one of the MR-1's working. The problem seemed to be a combination of things but all related to the control motor. I cycled the control motor for a couple of minutes with a 9V battery but sometimes it would still bog down and get stuck and I would have to bump it to get it to rotate again. So I put a little bit of new grease on the old gummed up grease and that fixed the bogging down problem. So I powered up the machine but it would still get stuck in different modes quite a bit. So I shot some deoxit in the cam switches and cycled the control motor with the battery again to work in the deoxit. Problem solved! Working like a champ now. So now I'll disassemble the whole transport and clean and lube everything as it is apparent that the old lube is turning into glue. So one MR-1 is back in action (almost) but a second one did not respond to control motor tweaking. The motor turns over just fine with a battery but the whole transport is still dead when I try to get it to work with the chassis. Hmmm... need to keep digging on that one. But I'm inspired now that one of my MR-1's is on the road to recovery! The battle continues... Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Sep 19 18:00:28 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nalktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones Message-ID: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Ed: You're 'bending' my points around just a little-let me clarify. I have nothing against the 700, in fact, I have a Net friend who has one, has fixed it and sends me pics and stories about it regularly. It is an absolute magnificent deck in form and function. However, my point was that advances in the 80's to early 90's in cassette recording/playback circuity and fucntions etc merits the attention of the purist who is going for the 'absolute sound', not the warmness of an older unit. I would like the build quality and parts quality of the 1000/700 put into my 505, but alas, it just ain't so. As far as your point about many 'purists' never considering the cassette deck to be anymore than a "toy", that's their loss and their ignorance. It's something they will never enjoy which translates to; there's more decks for the rest of us heathens.;-) Besides, the best cassette decks went head to head against the best R2Rs and competed well. Let me clarify on the MOJO point. I wasn't talking about beat-up deals that have magic sounds, I was talking about the people who pay $25,000 for TTs or $20,000 for a Stephen Stills guitar. That's not MOJO, that's hype or thievery, depending upon your use of terms. However....there is magic or MOJO, in certain guitars BECAUSE of a combination of things; construction quality, components used, design, wood etc and they all come together for a wonderful sound. They're still trying to figure out, with scientific help I might add, what makes a Stradivarius sound the way it does. There's definitely magic or MOJO in many Martins. Perhaps I argue too much.... Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Sep 20 05:18:03 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:18:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Help With Problem with Nakamichi 1000 zxl cassette deck Message-ID: Hi Everyone! I am finally getting about fixing my 1000 zxl cassette deck by need help from the right person familiar with this machine. Here is what is happening with this machine that I am trying to fix: 1.When the signal is fed from the line input jacks from say a cd player and the tape/source button turned to source position and input level slider moved up no audio is heard from the pre-amp but when you hit the play button you can hear the audio when switching between play and source also the audio is distored in right channel , it will record again the good channel the right channel has very low audio. 2. The 400 Hz test tone generator does not work when it is engaged i.e. no 400 hz signal tone at all ! 3. the NACC that automtically adjust the azimuth bias and eq setting when engaged in to working. Here what happens: According to the owner manual you have to press the Record Button while also pressing the Pause Button, and then while keeping the azimuth RUN button pressed to hit the play button this action according the manual will cause the Azimuth light to start flashing and the other areas like bias, eq etc will be adjusted one by one by the NAAC computer. But all that happens with my machine is that the Azimuth and Run button blue light stay on all the time when play is engaged and the machine does not perfom the calibration, this maybe due to poor recording and playback mentioned above and for the fact that the 400 Hz tone generator is not working and the machine is not passing signal when the tape /source button is switched ot source with a cd player connect to the line input and the line level inputs slider turned all the way up, the only way you can hear the source sound is when the machine is in play and that too the audio is distored! in the right channel and when the recording is attempted the audio recorded is even more distored then the source signal. Any help! in fixing this great machine will be appreciated! as will be a good copy of the service manual in pdf format that can be sent in email. 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 21:30:18 2007 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:30:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nalktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones In-Reply-To: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> References: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30709191230v78ad6e85p8fc8b710a1277f67@mail.gmail.com> Actually there were "no advances" in cassette recorders in 80's-90's.Thelater cassette decks are full of cheap op-amps,transformers the size of walnut,cheap transports,etc.The later decks are pure crap & deserve landfill destiny.Sure,they have many bells & whistles...but Sound comes first, IMHO.Also,forget about measurements & other technical hoopla.Look at Tim de Paravichini...He designs his extraordinary Hi-end components without any measurements...He trusts his EARS first!Just look what he done with already great Revox G-36 Tube recorder.It sounds simply unbelivable with ANY Pre-recorded Reel tape.Just my thoughts... Regards, Esoteric On 9/19/07, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > Ed: > You're 'bending' my points around just a little-let me > clarify. I have nothing against the 700, in fact, I > have a Net friend who has one, has fixed it and sends > me pics and stories about it regularly. It is an > absolute magnificent deck in form and function. > However, my point was that advances in the 80's to > early 90's in cassette recording/playback circuity and > fucntions etc merits the attention of the purist who > is going for the 'absolute sound', not the warmness of > an older unit. I would like the build quality and > parts quality of the 1000/700 put into my 505, but > alas, it just ain't so. As far as your point about > many 'purists' never considering the cassette deck to > be anymore than a "toy", that's their loss and their > ignorance. It's something they will never enjoy which > translates to; there's more decks for the rest of us > heathens.;-) Besides, the best cassette decks went > head to head against the best R2Rs and competed well. > > Let me clarify on the MOJO point. I wasn't talking > about beat-up deals that have magic sounds, I was > talking about the people who pay $25,000 for TTs or > $20,000 for a Stephen Stills guitar. That's not MOJO, > that's hype or thievery, depending upon your use of > terms. However....there is magic or MOJO, in certain > guitars BECAUSE of a combination of things; > construction quality, components used, design, wood > etc and they all come together for a wonderful sound. > They're still trying to figure out, with scientific > help I might add, what makes a Stradivarius sound the > way it does. There's definitely magic or MOJO in many > Martins. Perhaps I argue too much.... > > Kevin > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all > the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Sep 20 02:27:53 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:27:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nalktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones In-Reply-To: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> References: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F1BE89.8030405@snet.net> Excellent points and well taken. Unfortunately, you were really directing this at another member who I had responded to. Ed Kevin Fetner wrote: >Ed: >You're 'bending' my points around just a little-let me >clarify. I have nothing against the 700, in fact, I >have a Net friend who has one, has fixed it and sends >me pics and stories about it regularly.... > >Kevin > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 20 04:01:10 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:01:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE: CR-7A Repair Message-ID: <092020070201.4841.46F1D46600029BE9000012E922165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, here is an update on my CR-7A repair, for those of you who may be interested. As you know, both of the 2.5 amp fuses were blown. The 1 amp fuse was OK. I have checked the reel motor transistor, as Tom suggested, but things look OK there. I have decided to concentrate solely on the power supply board for the moment, just to make sure that things are OK there before I move to other areas of the deck. I disconnected all of the connectors leading from the power supply board to other areas of the deck. I temporarily installed in-line automotive style fuse holders to replace the blown 2.5 amp fuses. Before I switched the deck on, I had noticed that the filament inside the 1 amp fuse was "curvy", which I thought was odd. Keep in mind that this fuse had been OK when I first acquired the deck, even though the 2.5 amp fuses had been blown. I switched the deck on, just to make sure that the replacement 2.5 amp fuses would not blow. They were fine -- no stress whatsoever. Things were good so far. I couldn't get a reading on the 1 amp fuse and took a close look at it. Holy cow! At some point, it had blown, too! It is 100 percent safe to say that the 1 amp fuse had blown BEFORE I replaced the 2.5 amp fuses. My guess is that it had stressed and blown when I had switched the deck on shortly after I acquired it. So now I installed yet another in-line automotive fuse holder for the 1 amp fuse. OK...GET OUT YOUR CR-7 SERVICE MANUALS IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG HERE.....LOOK AT THE ILLUSTRATION FOR THE POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT BOARD, FOR THOSE OF YOU PLAYING ALONG AT HOME.... I switched the deck on again and started to take some voltage readings at various connector locations on the power supply board. Here's where it got interesting. Readings were normal in some places, but very strange in other places. For example, on Connector 7, I got a reading of 14.5v DC on pin 1. That's a perfectly good reading. On pin 3, voltage was a bit higher than the 19v DC specified in the service manual. I read 19.96v DC. A bit high, but still OK, I would imagine. The voltage readings on Connector 6 were strange...I THINK I HAVE FOUND A PROBLEM HERE.... Pin 1 should have 20v DC; I measured 14.96v DC. Pin 2 should have 15v DC; I measured 16.69v DC. Pin 3 should have 5.6v DC; I measured .005v DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Actually fluctuated between .005 and .006) Pin 4 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 4.13v AC. Pin 5 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 3.95v AC. For the heck of it, I also took readings on the emitters of Q402, Q406, and Q409. Q409 measured only .041v DC, Q402 measured 12.23v DC, and Q406 measured 12.20v DC. The reason I was drawn to these three transistors is because of Q402's appearance. There is clear evidence of heat on the circuit board around Q402's legs, and the solder joints look cold. I do not believe this transistor has ever been replaced, because it is the exact same brand and type as Q409. I was concerned that this might be evidence of overheating. When I had finished taking voltage readings, I closely examined the filaments of both of the 2.5 amp fuses and the 1 amp fuse. All three fuses were intact. No stress or breakage on any of the fuse filaments. *andy* From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Sep 20 13:39:18 2007 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:39:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nalktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones References: <851712.29511.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c801c7fb7a$e180e050$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> '...There's definitely magic or MOJO in many Martins....' That is what my Wife thinks, and who am I to argue, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: [nalktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones > Ed: > You're 'bending' my points around just a little-let me > clarify. I have nothing against the 700, in fact, I > have a Net friend who has one, has fixed it and sends > me pics and stories about it regularly. It is an > absolute magnificent deck in form and function. > However, my point was that advances in the 80's to > early 90's in cassette recording/playback circuity and > fucntions etc merits the attention of the purist who > is going for the 'absolute sound', not the warmness of > an older unit. I would like the build quality and > parts quality of the 1000/700 put into my 505, but > alas, it just ain't so. As far as your point about > many 'purists' never considering the cassette deck to > be anymore than a "toy", that's their loss and their > ignorance. It's something they will never enjoy which > translates to; there's more decks for the rest of us > heathens.;-) Besides, the best cassette decks went > head to head against the best R2Rs and competed well. > > Let me clarify on the MOJO point. I wasn't talking > about beat-up deals that have magic sounds, I was > talking about the people who pay $25,000 for TTs or > $20,000 for a Stephen Stills guitar. That's not MOJO, > that's hype or thievery, depending upon your use of > terms. However....there is magic or MOJO, in certain > guitars BECAUSE of a combination of things; > construction quality, components used, design, wood > etc and they all come together for a wonderful sound. > They're still trying to figure out, with scientific > help I might add, what makes a Stradivarius sound the > way it does. There's definitely magic or MOJO in many > Martins. Perhaps I argue too much.... > > Kevin > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all > the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 20 22:40:30 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:40:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #2: CR-7A Repair Message-ID: <092020072040.9953.46F2DABE000CE658000026E122165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Here's another bit of strangeness from my sick CR-7A: I plugged the CR-7A into the mains, switched the unit on, and let the power supply sit there for about an hour. I wanted to "burn in" the power supply and take some more voltage readings, to see if there were any variances. After an hour had passed, I took some more voltage readings. The readings were a bit different, but not very different. But here's the strange part... Q402, Q406, and Q409 are all mounted on a large heat sink. After an hour of being switched on and sitting there, they were all completely cool. Not a trace of heat on any of them. Is this normal? *andy* ----- Original Message ----- OK, here is an update on my CR-7A repair, for those of you who may be interested. As you know, both of the 2.5 amp fuses were blown. The 1 amp fuse was OK. I have checked the reel motor transistor, as Tom suggested, but things look OK there. I have decided to concentrate solely on the power supply board for the moment, just to make sure that things are OK there before I move to other areas of the deck. I disconnected all of the connectors leading from the power supply board to other areas of the deck. I temporarily installed in-line automotive style fuse holders to replace the blown 2.5 amp fuses. Before I switched the deck on, I had noticed that the filament inside the 1 amp fuse was "curvy", which I thought was odd. Keep in mind that this fuse had been OK when I first acquired the deck, even though the 2.5 amp fuses had been blown. I switched the deck on, just to make sure that the replacement 2.5 amp fuses would not blow. They were fine -- no stress whatsoever. Things were good so far. I couldn't get a reading on the 1 amp fuse and took a close look at it. Holy cow! At some point, it had blown, too! It is 100 percent safe to say that the 1 amp fuse had blown BEFORE I replaced the 2.5 amp fuses. My guess is that it had stressed and blown when I had switched the deck on shortly after I acquired it. So now I installed yet another in-line automotive fuse holder for the 1 amp fuse. OK...GET OUT YOUR CR-7 SERVICE MANUALS IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG HERE.....LOOK AT THE ILLUSTRATION FOR THE POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT BOARD, FOR THOSE OF YOU PLAYING ALONG AT HOME.... I switched the deck on again and started to take some voltage readings at various connector locations on the power supply board. Here's where it got interesting. Readings were normal in some places, but very strange in other places. For example, on Connector 7, I got a reading of 14.5v DC on pin 1. That's a perfectly good reading. On pin 3, voltage was a bit higher than the 19v DC specified in the service manual. I read 19.96v DC. A bit high, but still OK, I would imagine. The voltage readings on Connector 6 were strange...I THINK I HAVE FOUND A PROBLEM HERE.... Pin 1 should have 20v DC; I measured 14.96v DC. Pin 2 should have 15v DC; I measured 16.69v DC. Pin 3 should have 5.6v DC; I measured .005v DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Actually fluctuated between .005 and .006) Pin 4 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 4.13v AC. Pin 5 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 3.95v AC. For the heck of it, I also took readings on the emitters of Q402, Q406, and Q409. Q409 measured only .041v DC, Q402 measured 12.23v DC, and Q406 measured 12.20v DC. The reason I was drawn to these three transistors is because of Q402's appearance. There is clear evidence of heat on the circuit board around Q402's legs, and the solder joints look cold. I do not believe this transistor has ever been replaced, because it is the exact same brand and type as Q409. I was concerned that this might be evidence of overheating. When I had finished taking voltage readings, I closely examined the filaments of both of the 2.5 amp fuses and the 1 amp fuse. All three fuses were intact. No stress or breakage on any of the fuse filaments. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 21 12:06:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:06:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem Message-ID: <092120071006.18961.46F397A10005E5C500004A1122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that I have a BX-300. He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have to say. Here is what he told me: "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, then after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in rewind and fast forword. Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to switch from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor spindle." I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 21 20:11:57 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:11:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] hot rod 550? Message-ID: Working with Adrian and his 550 brought to mind an idea. The 550 and 600 mechanisms are identical (as are 250, 350, 500). Has anyone tried replacing the 550 head with the 600-II head? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 21:57:25 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <092120071006.18961.46F397A10005E5C500004A1122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <640815.22893.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> andy! I just tried something cool. since my my 1000 doesn't have a pressure pad lifter. I took a cassette apart and pulled out the felt pressure pad and tried playing it in my 1000. well it sounded amazing! way better than with the pad in the cassette. it was soo smooth and glassy had some added air too. think that will hurt my nak if i play it without the pad in the cassettes??? hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that I have a BX-300. He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have to say. Here is what he told me: "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, then after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in rewind and fast forword. Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to switch from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor spindle." I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sat Sep 22 00:29:18 2007 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:29:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] teac mtt-150a query Message-ID: <118AD694-6D25-4AAA-82EE-0EEE3A576867@thegreatbear.net> hi i've just finished calibrating a 582 that had a grossly misaligned playback head (someone fiddling with the gears, i think).. I used luis's calibration tapes and my T100.. It seems to do everything right now - head height, azimuth, meter levels, playback levels, etc. pretty much as good as I can get given my limited experience and lack of gauges.. i've just got a NOS Teac mtt-150a dolby level test tape (400 Hz) and put it in the 582 - interesting - it shows +3dB not 0dB as I thought it should... The Nakamichi (luis' version) has a spot on 0dB level on the T100 and the 582's meters... I'm sure the Teac tape is meant to be 400Hz at 0dB and 200nWb/m just like the Nakamichi tape - what's going on? adrian From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 22 00:36:45 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:36:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <640815.22893.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <640815.22893.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F4477D.5050906@yahoo.ca> Either the idlers were cheap, or maybe the reel motor is weak. I've had no problems burnishing the commutator on the motor of one of my BX-2 decks to solve my problem. Some 1500-2000 grit sanding paper will do. When I burnished the commutator, I attached the shaft to a cordless drill(Don't put it too tight though). It does a pretty neat job in a little bit of time. */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that > I have a BX-300. > > He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. > > I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have > to say. > > Here is what he told me: > > "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, > then > after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in > rewind and fast forword. > Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. > > Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to > switch > from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor > spindle." > > > I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? > > > *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Fri Sep 21 22:31:35 2007 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <640815.22893.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <406878.22371.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It will hurt if your deck only has one pinch roller. Mike Jason Rhamy wrote: andy! I just tried something cool. since my my 1000 doesn't have a pressure pad lifter. I took a cassette apart and pulled out the felt pressure pad and tried playing it in my 1000. well it sounded amazing! way better than with the pad in the cassette. it was soo smooth and glassy had some added air too. think that will hurt my nak if i play it without the pad in the cassettes??? hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that I have a BX-300. He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have to say. Here is what he told me: "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, then after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in rewind and fast forword. Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to switch from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor spindle." I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From savtech at xtra.co.nz Sat Sep 22 12:05:04 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:05:04 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #2: CR-7A Repair References: <092020072040.9953.46F2DABE000CE658000026E122165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002501c7fd00$0c13f3d0$0301010a@SAVTECH> Well, I'm no bench technician, and I only own a 550 which I've never touched! but this sounds like fun. Likely these series regulator type transistors won't be working too hard when the Power supply connectors are disconnected. As for your voltage readings, pin 3 looks suspicious as you say. This means you may want to work backwards (I downloaded a circuit diagram for this bit!) and look at the base voltage of Q409 to see if it's about 6.2VDC. Q409's collector should be about 6-7VDC if I am reading the transformer secondary voltages correctly (can't be sure difficult to see on this copy) . Q410 is worth checking next : base should be at about 6.8V (set by the zener diode -ZD402 and the normal diode, D406. Should be plenty of Dc on Q410's collector - maybe in the region of 20 or so volts. That'll do for now. Oh, about the voltage on Pin 1 - it's pretty much unfiltered DC so I doubt if your meter is telling you the absolute truth ! It's probably OK. Any how, should step aside and let the real experts have their go - I just got my soldering iron out after nearly 20 years! Good on you for having a go.... Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #2: CR-7A Repair > > Here's another bit of strangeness from my sick CR-7A: > > I plugged the CR-7A into the mains, switched the unit on, and let the > power supply sit there for about an hour. I wanted to "burn in" the power > supply and take some more voltage readings, to see if there were any > variances. > > After an hour had passed, I took some more voltage readings. The readings > were a bit different, but not very different. > > But here's the strange part... > > Q402, Q406, and Q409 are all mounted on a large heat sink. After an hour > of being switched on and sitting there, they were all completely cool. > Not a trace of heat on any of them. > > Is this normal? > > > *andy* > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > OK, here is an update on my CR-7A repair, for those of you who may be > interested. > > As you know, both of the 2.5 amp fuses were blown. The 1 amp fuse was OK. > > I have checked the reel motor transistor, as Tom suggested, but things > look OK > there. > > I have decided to concentrate solely on the power supply board for the > moment, > just to make sure that things are OK there before I move to other areas of > the > deck. > > I disconnected all of the connectors leading from the power supply board > to > other areas of the deck. > > I temporarily installed in-line automotive style fuse holders to replace > the > blown 2.5 amp fuses. > > Before I switched the deck on, I had noticed that the filament inside the > 1 amp > fuse was "curvy", which I thought was odd. Keep in mind that this fuse > had been > OK when I first acquired the deck, even though the 2.5 amp fuses had been > blown. > > I switched the deck on, just to make sure that the replacement 2.5 amp > fuses > would not blow. They were fine -- no stress whatsoever. Things were good > so far. > > I couldn't get a reading on the 1 amp fuse and took a close look at it. > Holy > cow! At some point, it had blown, too! > > It is 100 percent safe to say that the 1 amp fuse had blown BEFORE I > replaced > the 2.5 amp fuses. My guess is that it had stressed and blown when I had > switched the deck on shortly after I acquired it. > > So now I installed yet another in-line automotive fuse holder for the 1 > amp > fuse. > > OK...GET OUT YOUR CR-7 SERVICE MANUALS IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG > HERE.....LOOK > AT THE ILLUSTRATION FOR THE POWER SUPPLY CIRCUIT BOARD, FOR THOSE OF YOU > PLAYING > ALONG AT HOME.... > > I switched the deck on again and started to take some voltage readings at > various connector locations on the power supply board. > > Here's where it got interesting. Readings were normal in some places, but > very > strange in other places. > > For example, on Connector 7, I got a reading of 14.5v DC on pin 1. That's > a > perfectly good reading. On pin 3, voltage was a bit higher than the 19v > DC > specified in the service manual. I read 19.96v DC. A bit high, but still > OK, I would imagine. > > The voltage readings on Connector 6 were strange...I THINK I HAVE FOUND A > PROBLEM HERE.... > Pin 1 should have 20v DC; I measured 14.96v DC. > Pin 2 should have 15v DC; I measured 16.69v DC. > Pin 3 should have 5.6v DC; I measured .005v DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > (Actually > fluctuated between .005 and .006) > Pin 4 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 4.13v AC. > Pin 5 should have 3.25v AC; I measured 3.95v AC. > > For the heck of it, I also took readings on the emitters of Q402, Q406, > and > Q409. > Q409 measured only .041v DC, Q402 measured 12.23v DC, and Q406 measured > 12.20v > DC. > > The reason I was drawn to these three transistors is because of Q402's > appearance. There is clear evidence of heat on the circuit board around > Q402's > legs, and the solder joints look cold. I do not believe this transistor > has > ever been replaced, because it is the exact same brand and type as Q409. > I was > concerned that this might be evidence of overheating. > > When I had finished taking voltage readings, I closely examined the > filaments of both > of the 2.5 amp fuses and the 1 amp fuse. All three fuses were intact. No > stress or breakage on any of the fuse filaments. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 22 14:31:07 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:31:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. Check it out: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# From r1seals at yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 15:56:44 2007 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <46F4477D.5050906@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <140478.87940.qm@web50012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy you might want to check and see if the left hand capstan flywheel is spinning freely after you take off the belt. I had this problem with my BX-300 and had to take out the capstan and clean out the bearing with a pipe cleaner and then lube it with some prolong SPL 100 I hope this helps. Antoine Deschênes wrote: Either the idlers were cheap, or maybe the reel motor is weak. I've had no problems burnishing the commutator on the motor of one of my BX-2 decks to solve my problem. Some 1500-2000 grit sanding paper will do. When I burnished the commutator, I attached the shaft to a cordless drill(Don't put it too tight though). It does a pretty neat job in a little bit of time. */hwbosshoss at comcast.net/* wrote: > > I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that > I have a BX-300. > > He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. > > I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have > to say. > > Here is what he told me: > > "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, > then > after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in > rewind and fast forword. > Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. > > Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to > switch > from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor > spindle." > > > I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Sep 22 22:59:51 2007 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:59:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46F58247.2060309@marrscommunications.com> Hi Andy, What this man has to say about Nakamichi is sad but TRUE. They were impossible to deal with and could care less once they got their product shipped. I was kind of, get it out the door and it's your problem now. Fred M hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). > >This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. > >One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. > >He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. > >If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. > >A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. > >Check it out: > >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From rhamy26 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 23 04:58:36 2007 From: rhamy26 at yahoo.com (Jason Rhamy) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <804146.15568.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW!!! This is an excellant article! I am also impresssed people were using the internet back in 1996 wowowowow I don't think it's fair to compare a revox reel to reel to a casette. i would hope the reel to reel sounds better. I do know this..my nak is blowing away all my other cassette decks i own. It's a night and day differance. so they should give them some credit! they took a crappy sounding format and made it sound great! that's amazing. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. Check it out: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Sep 23 12:50:18 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:50:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <46F58247.2060309@marrscommunications.com> References: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <46F58247.2060309@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, Not necessary true!!! When I acquired my first Nak product a Tri Tracer 1000/ll...all information & some belts + oil for maintenance I received "Completely FREE" directly from Tokio. They during 1978 & further...Nakamichi customer care directly from the factory in Japan, provide me all the neccesary information & "Often Wear Down" small parts as interconnects (I got 3 times also the good ones once added to the ZLX series), belts, Instructions & service manuals front cabinet screws...& other items that I can't recall today after so long time. It's possible that after few years they stopped such "Customer Care Services"...but with me when was imperative...their Customer Dept with me was 100% truly a satisfaction! Peace, Alex! > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:59:51 -0500> From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters!> > Hi Andy,> What this man has to say about Nakamichi is sad but TRUE. They were > impossible to deal with and could care less once they got their product > shipped. I was kind of, get it out the door and it's your problem now. > Fred M> > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > >I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end).> >> >This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether.> >> >One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. > >> >He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced.> >> >If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least.> >> >A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well.> >> >Check it out:> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5#> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 23 13:46:10 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:46:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: Hi Everyone! The only thing I dont like about the Nakamichi is the cheap looking tape transport design in even in their most expensive cassette decks like the 1000 ZXL in comparision my Revox B 710 cassette deck has four direct drive motors( 2 motors drive the reel hubs direct and two drive the capstan shaft direct!!) with NO! clutch , belts or idler to wear out, but I do think Nakamichi did design some of the finest sounding electronic circuits for their tape decks, maybe the reason for the plasticky! looking tape transport was to dampen the noises that results from soleniod and vibrations , there must have been a good reason! why they did not adapt direct drive motors to drive the hubs and capstan shafts, ok I will admit the Nakamichi Dragon has direct drive motors for capstan which I also own but why not the 1000 zxl?!! which was even more expensive than the Dragon. Currently trying to fix the 1000 zxl with help of dear Ben who have been really great and very kind to help me for which I really thank him from the bottom of my hear! I have owned most all hi-end Nakamichi Cassette Deck including the CR7A, 700 ZXL , but hope to own the ZX9 some day which some say is one of the best! Nakamichi. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Sep 23 16:12:31 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:12:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 3: CR-7A Repair - TWO CULPRITS FOUND! Message-ID: <092320071412.29738.46F6744F000D951B0000742A22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Special note to Barry (savtech at xtra.co.nz): I read your message after I found and fixed the power supply problem. Your instincts were spot-on! Read below... Okay, after taking all of the readings on the various connectors coming from the power supply, I started to re-connect those various connectors, ONE BY ONE, to their various locations on the CR-7A's logic board (4 locations) and main board (1 location). I figured that when the fuses blew, I would have narrowed down the problem area. (NOTE: I never disconnected the connectors on the power supply that led to the deck's heads, because I figured they would be OK.) Keep in mind that I had TWO goals at this point: First, I had to find the short circuit(s) causing the power supply fuses to blow. Second, I had to restore the functions of the deck that were dead--and there were a LOT of them. Here is a partial list of the major stuff that DIDN'T work: No capstan movement No tape transport functions No tape transport button LED's No Dolby on/off No tape EQ selection No record fader Remote sensor LED not acknowledging the remote Parts of FL display not lit Other than this, the deck was fine! LOL! OK, I verified, after switching the deck on and letting it sit for about 30 minutes, that all three power supply fuses were TOTALLY intact (no filaments bent, discolored, or blown). I started to reconnect the power supply to the rest of the deck. HERE IS THE PROCEDURE: I would reconnect a connector, let the deck sit for a few minutes, turn the deck off, check all three power supply fuses, switch the deck back on, and then move to the next connector. I started with Connector 7, a small connector carrying 19v DC and -14.5v DC to the logic board. Since this connector's voltage readings were pretty much spot-on, I thought it was a safe candidate for re-connection. It was. Connector 5 was OK...AND THE CAPSTANS STARTED SPINNING. This was the first time they had done this since I acquired this deck! I scored that as being a very minor triumph, and moved on. Connector 4 was OK. I was a bit anxious re-connecting Connector 6 to the logic board for two reasons: First, Connector 6 has 5 pins, each with a different voltage on it, so that meant that I was re-introducing FIVE voltage sources back into the deck circuitry. If any power supply fuses blew, then I could have FIVE possible paths I needed to check. Secondly, I was bothered by the fact that the third pin of this connector did not measure correct voltage (see UPDATE 2). It should have had just over 5v DC but instead had only about .005 volts, so something was definitely wrong in the power supply stage. But I thought it would be safe enough to re-connect this particular connector since I was dealing with a voltage that was too LOW instead of too high. Connector 6 turned out to be OK. The parts of the display that had been lit came back on again. I then re-attached Connector 40 to the main board...AND NOTHING CAME ON ANYMORE. The capstans weren't spinning, and all lights and display elements remained dark. I FOUND A PROBLEM. I quickly turned the deck off and examined the fuses. None of them had blown or had even been stressed, but I knew that I had found a short. Had I left the deck on, I am sure that fuses would have blown. So now my problem area was narrowed down. It was on the main board somewhere. I started at the beginning and checked the two 2200uF 16v capacitors that apparently buffered the incoming power supply voltage. One capacitor was OK, but the other one was CLEARLY shorted!!!! To make sure, I removed it from the main board and checked it again. YEP, DEFINITELY SHORTED. ZERO RESISTANCE. I yanked an equivalent capacitor from a parts deck (thank goodness for parts decks!) and installed it. All of the things I had managed to activate previously (capstans, lights, part of the display, etc.) were now on again, and more importantly, after leaving the deck on and re-checking the fuses, NO MORE BLOWN OR STRESSED FUSES. CULPRIT #1: FOUND! The deck still didn't work because many of the items on the "dead" list were still dead. So I turned my attention to that low voltage on the power supply. That was definitely another problem where another culprit was hiding, and I was sure that it was the reason why the deck still wasn't alive yet. I decided that a good place to start would be to measure resistance of the transistors on the power supply board; specifically, the transistors associated with pin 3 of Connector 6. (NOTE: I took these measurements with the power OFF.) I traced the path coming from pin 3 of Connector 6 and ran smack into Q410. I took some resistance readings of Q410, comparing the resistance between B-C and B-E. BOTH READINGS WERE VERY LOW. Not what I typically get when I measure a transistor. Hmmm...that can't be right. I found a group of equivalent transistors and measured them, just to compare. MUCH HIGHER RESISTANCE READINGS ON ALL THE OTHER TRANSISTORS. Why was Q410 so low? There was no other conclusion: It had to be faulty. I removed Q410. The board underneath Q410 had a black spot where some excess heat had clearly been. OUCH, things weren't looking good for my new little friend!!!! I took a look at the casing of Q410. IT WAS SPLIT OPEN RIGHT DOWN THE SIDE. This transistor had obviously blown up!!! I found an equivalent transistor in one of my parts decks (bless 'em!), installed the transistor, and turned the deck on. SUCCESS!!!! Pin 3 of Connector 6 had just the right voltage again, and just as important, all of the deck's major functions seemed fine. I was listening to a tape within minutes. I turned the deck off and checked all three fuses. They were all perfectly intact. No stress whatsoever on any of the filaments. CULPRIT #2: FOUND! *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 23 16:23:31 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46F676E3.90204@rcn.com> To recount my own experience with this company... I called to ask for the service bulletin for the CR-7 equalization mod. They first claimed that it did not exist (a lie). They then told me that they only provide that information to their dealers, not owners. I got as far as the top service manager. The person was rude and not very intelligent -- he obviously assumed I was so clueless as to swallow anything he said. I finally told him that with their attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually folded. I wasn't. I have great appreciation to Nakamichi products. I have a CR-7 cassette deck in the main system and an RE-2 Receiver in the my lab system, both of which are excellent. But I wouldn't dream of buying anything younger than 25 years from Nakamichi, even if there was any product to buy. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). > > This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. > > One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. > > He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. > > If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. > > A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. > > Check it out: > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Sep 23 21:30:37 2007 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:30:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! References: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <46F676E3.90204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00b001c7fe18$39a28190$23d317c4@home> All the negativity eminated from Nakamichi USA ? Outside USA there does not seem to have been a problem .! Bear in mind Nakamichi USA is not the whole of Nakamichi! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! > > To recount my own experience with this company... I > called to ask for the service bulletin for the CR-7 > equalization mod. They first claimed that it did not > exist (a lie). They then told me that they only > provide that information to their dealers, not > owners. I got as far as the top service manager. > The person was rude and not very intelligent -- he > obviously assumed I was so clueless as to swallow > anything he said. I finally told him that with > their attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if they > eventually folded. I wasn't. > > I have great appreciation to Nakamichi products. I > have a CR-7 cassette deck in the main system and an > RE-2 Receiver in the my lab system, both of which > are excellent. But I wouldn't dream of buying > anything younger than 25 years from Nakamichi, > even if there was any product to buy. > > -- Ron > > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). >> >> This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that >> Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market >> altogether. >> >> One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D >> Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. He >> absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. >> >> If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is >> thought-provoking reading, to say the least. >> >> A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. >> >> Check it out: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 00:48:53 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones Message-ID: <570075.32823.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com> "Excellent points and well taken. Unfortunately, you were really directing this at another member who I had responded to. Ed" You're correct Ed and sorry...I think my points should have been directed at Andy's post, MOJO and such.;-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 01:19:56 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Old Naks Vs New Ones Message-ID: <556706.12022.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> "Actually there were "no advances" in cassette recorders in 80's-90's.Thelater cassette decks are full of cheap op-amps,transformers the size of walnut,cheap transports,etc.The later decks are pure crap & deserve landfill destiny.Sure,they have many bells & whistles...but Sound comes first, IMHO.Also,forget about measurements & other technical hoopla.Look at Tim de Paravichini...He designs his extraordinary Hi-end components without any measurements...He trusts his EARS first!Just look what he done with already great Revox G-36 Tube recorder.It sounds simply unbelivable with ANY Pre-recorded Reel tape.Just my thoughts... Regards, Esoteric" Actually, you know as well as I do (and you can scroll the features yourself right here in this site)what features the newer decks had over the older decks. What you're saying is sour grapes and throwing the baby out with the bath water. The landfill needs the Dragon, the ZX-9 and decks like the 681ZX(?)...I think that's grossly over the top. Your logic is 'retro', much like the "esoteric" crowd who would go back to the shallow technology well, make $25,000 tube amps and call them "revolutionary"-who is kidding whom? I said the build quality and component quality of the older decks like the 700/1000 is superb. No doubt that the newer Nak decks won't last that long or give that kinda service without much tinkering-however, set up properly and running properly, they will outperform you golden 700's et all and any audio analyzer will bear that out with metal tape on the newer machines. I'm not saying that no one can enjoy the 700's et all, but if I'm going to spend money on restoration, my point was to buy the most productive, feature laden deck I can for the best music reproduction. Just like I would drop the 'warm, glorious' Marantz 2325 in midair to obtain a Onkyo TX-8500, with its extraordinary tuner and fabulous phono preamps stages. The Marantz is built like a tank with glorious components for its day, yet the Onkyo will easily outperform it. Listening by ear to make audio equipment is suicide for accurate reproduction. The audio engineers did that when they mixed the original music-we don't need anymore music 'interpretation' or 'coloration', as we need the exact reproduction of what he did (warts and all) and to let it go at that. Listening by ear and measuring scientifically is fine for speaker technology, but has no place in the world of amps/preamps. What amps/preamps should do is pass the mastered music through your system with perfect neutrality and let your speakers have fun after that within the constraints of your listening eviron. Therefore, your speakers are the only thing that should be tuned by 'ear'. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Sep 24 02:55:22 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:55:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #4: CR-7A Repair - HELP! I'm Stuck! Message-ID: <092420070055.24718.46F70AFA0001DBAA0000608E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ok, the good news is that I have gotten my sick CR-7A to work again, and it sounds very good. But things are not exactly as they should be. Remember pin 3 of Connector 6 on the power supply board? That pin should have +5.6v DC on it, but only had about .005v DC until I discovered the blown transistor Q410. I have replaced that transistor with another one that is EXACTLY THE SAME (I double-checked), but now I have TOO MUCH voltage on pin 3. Now I'm getting just over 12v DC, which is being sent to the main logic IC on the logic board (IC 606)...this IC should be seeing 5v DC at the most! This is TOO MUCH voltage for that logic IC, and it is causing the logic IC to freak out...the tape counter starts acting strangely after a couple of minutes, and then the deck keeps going into STOP mode. ("Hey, this sounds familiar," said my BX-300! LOL) I was concerned that the regulator transistors might be damaged or broken, so I took voltage readings on the Base, Collector, and Emitter of Q409, Q402, and Q406 while the deck was on. Here are the readings I found: Q409 B = 13.06v DC C = 12.33v DC E = 12.26v DC Q402 B = 12.89v DC C = 18.61v DC E = 12.20v DC Q406 B = --12.84v DC C = --20.20v DC E = --12.16v DC At this point, I have two questions: 1) BASED ON THE VOLTAGE READINGS I HAVE GIVEN HERE, COULD Q409, Q402, OR Q406 BE BROKEN OR DAMAGED? 2) CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT OTHER PART(S) OF THE POWER SUPPLY BOARD I SHOULD BE CHECKING? Another minor problem, which may or may not be related, is that the RECORD MUTE is always on. I have NOT tried to record yet, and I have only played tapes in the deck that have had their tabs broken off, so maybe it is normal to have RECORD MUTE on all the time? Many thanks for looking, *andy* From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 05:16:36 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: <105544.2453.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com> OK yeah, it is a dismal medium-too slow and too narrow in tape. But look, there has always been a 'draw' for something compact that can produce great sound. I think Naks did that very acceptably, despite their reputed lousy factory support. I can think of a fair amount of other companies with great products and the same detached, arrogant attitude. The 'draw' for compact quality playback remains to this very day, vis-a'-vis the mp3 Ipod, mp4 and CD players of questionable playback quality. Cassettes weighted against the better R2R's of their day were clearly the winner in sales. Given the choice of the money & space required to garnish your home with a big, expensive R2R against a compact cassette deck, what would most of us pick? I think history is the answer to that. Couldn't very well bring your R2R tape into your automobile, could you? How many of you remember having the choice of cassette or CD players in your car-remember the units that had BOTH formats-yeah, it took a long time to kill cassettes. I can remember many a LD trip in a car/truck that was only survivable because of the constant array of cassette tapes I could feed the machine.;-) But now, if you're a prudent buyer and a little handy, you can have the best of both worlds, i.e., R2R AND cassette. Both have their uses; master your best recordings from LPs with R2R, (laughing all the while at the sonic artifacts left on pre-recorded CDs) and then use the respectable sound and convenience of the cassette deck for continuous playback. Or go with lossless compression software programs using your TT straight into you PC's hard drive, then back out on CD or DVDA to your tape decks, or whatever. The permutations are almost endless. Except for parts and service, it's a great time to be fooling around with audio reproduction, old and newer.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From savtech at xtra.co.nz Mon Sep 24 10:30:26 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:30:26 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #4: CR-7A Repair - HELP! I'm Stuck! References: <092420070055.24718.46F70AFA0001DBAA0000608E22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c7fe85$28b11d70$0301010a@SAVTECH> Hi Andy, scary stuff huh? Probably good to keep the board isolated until you fix the 5V part of it. It seems likely that the two diodes that set this voltage, ZD402 and D405 are the cause. One or both of them are probably open circuit. You can remove one lead from one or the other and test them with you multimeter using the usual "diode" setting on your DVM in the usual way. Even the zener (ZD402) should be OK to test in this manner because it is unlikely you will see reverse breakdown with the low test voltage present at the terminals of your meter - ie it'll measure like a plain 'ole diode. If you wish to test it's zener voltage (6.2 V) and don't know if the D405 is the broken one etc, you can try this first: Disconnect the Power Supply board from the bits it feeds. Short out D405 temporarily. Turn the thing on and measure the voltage across ZD402. If it's about 6V, beauty! it's OK! If it's still in the region of 12V then you need a new 6.2V zener. Similarly, you could short out ZD402 and measure across D405 (about 0.6 to 0.7V). All pretty safe for the associated transistors because you are actually reducing reference voltage to them while you are doing this. Good luck! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE #4: CR-7A Repair - HELP! I'm Stuck! > > Ok, the good news is that I have gotten my sick CR-7A to work again, and > it sounds very good. > > But things are not exactly as they should be. > > Remember pin 3 of Connector 6 on the power supply board? That pin should > have +5.6v DC on it, but only had about .005v DC until I discovered the > blown transistor Q410. > > I have replaced that transistor with another one that is EXACTLY THE SAME > (I double-checked), but now I have TOO MUCH voltage on pin 3. > > Now I'm getting just over 12v DC, which is being sent to the main logic IC > on the logic board (IC 606)...this IC should be seeing 5v DC at the most! > > This is TOO MUCH voltage for that logic IC, and it is causing the logic IC > to freak out...the tape counter starts acting strangely after a couple of > minutes, and then the deck keeps going into STOP mode. ("Hey, this sounds > familiar," said my BX-300! LOL) > > I was concerned that the regulator transistors might be damaged or broken, > so I took voltage readings on the Base, Collector, and Emitter of Q409, > Q402, and Q406 while the deck was on. Here are the readings I found: > > Q409 > B = 13.06v DC > C = 12.33v DC > E = 12.26v DC > > Q402 > B = 12.89v DC > C = 18.61v DC > E = 12.20v DC > > Q406 > B = --12.84v DC > C = --20.20v DC > E = --12.16v DC > > At this point, I have two questions: > > 1) BASED ON THE VOLTAGE READINGS I HAVE GIVEN HERE, COULD Q409, Q402, OR > Q406 BE BROKEN OR DAMAGED? > > 2) CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT OTHER PART(S) OF THE POWER SUPPLY BOARD > I SHOULD BE CHECKING? > > Another minor problem, which may or may not be related, is that the RECORD > MUTE is always on. I have NOT tried to record yet, and I have only played > tapes in the deck that have had their tabs broken off, so maybe it is > normal to have RECORD MUTE on all the time? > > > Many thanks for looking, > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Sep 24 13:58:47 2007 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:58:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E85195A45@mail.mmsav.com> I worked as a service tech at Nakamichi dealers from '78 through 1999. And as also owning twenty Nakamichi decks over the years, my experience with Nakamichi support was wonderful. I can't vouch for Richard Pierce's experience with Nakamichi products but I can definitely correct his history lesson. The Advent 201 cassette deck was a great sounding deck for it's day. Most importantly it's electronics were by Nakamichi but it's transport was by Wollensak/3M! Yes it was a funky transport but there were (are?) thousands of that transport in language labs around the world slaving away! The pro A/V company that I work for now still may have some old Wollensak parts in the warehouse, some ware. Nakamichi did not even design the electronics, they were simply an OEM circuit board company. They built subassemblies for other companies. Henry Kloss was the designer of the Advent 201 cassette deck. Nakamichi though did have the first Dolby B license for a CrO tape deck since they built the electronics. About the Nakamichi 550, I was working as service manager at a high end dealer when the first DAT machines came to the US. Several of us enjoyed field recording and were excited about the new medium. I had a couple of Revox A-77 decks and a Nakamichi 550. We shot them out with a Onkyo/Technics DAT machine and 4 out of 5 audio-nuts picked the Nakamichi 550 as the most musical, the Revox as the widest bandwidth, and the DAT as dead last because of its low level harshness. (DAT, talk about service nightmare!) The next series of DAT machines were better but the Nakamichi continued to surprise people with it's musicality. The Nakamichi engineers really did listen during the design process. I still am amazed at how my old 680ZX sounds!! I guess that it all goes to show that when another person "has a bee in his bonnet" for a company, he will never be happy with their products! Peace, and happy listening! Doug Guth Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 ________________________________ From: Alex Cozac [mailto:alexcozac at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Hi Fred, Not necessary true!!! When I acquired my first Nak product a Tri Tracer 1000/ll...all information & some belts + oil for maintenance I received "Completely FREE" directly from Tokio. They during 1978 & further...Nakamichi customer care directly from the factory in Japan, provide me all the neccesary information & "Often Wear Down" small parts as interconnects (I got 3 times also the good ones once added to the ZLX series), belts, Instructions & service manuals front cabinet screws...& other items that I can't recall today after so long time. It's possible that after few years they stopped such "Customer Care Services"...but with me when was imperative...their Customer Dept with me was 100% truly a satisfaction! Peace, Alex! ________________________________ > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:59:51 -0500 > From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! > > Hi Andy, > What this man has to say about Nakamichi is sad but TRUE. They were > impossible to deal with and could care less once they got their product > shipped. I was kind of, get it out the door and it's your problem now. > Fred M > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > >I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). > > > >This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. > > > >One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. > > > >He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. > > > >If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. > > > >A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. > > > >Check it out: > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. Play now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 24 15:07:01 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:07:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E85195A45@mail.mmsav.com> References: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD40E85195A45@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <46F7B675.5060701@rcn.com> Doug Guth wrote: > [.....] > I guess > that it all goes to show that when another person "has a bee in his > bonnet" for a company, he will never be happy with their products! It all depends on how the bee got inside there in the first place :-). -- Ron > > Peace, and happy listening! > > *Doug Guth > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 * > > ** From hitech at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 24 16:33:42 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:33:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: <092220071231.16561.46F50B0B00025585000040B122165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Poor Mr. Pierce, The incivility of this thread teaches us a lesson. My journey with Nak began at the beginning. The was a marked change in the service department in the mid 80s, a change in both management and focus brought on by increased sales and the enrollment of many new dealers in the US. In 1980 Nakamichi had a handfull of dealers, and each service department had a technician that was flown to California at Nakamichi expense for 3 days of training. The personal relationships formed by this process served well for 10 years, but Nakamichi could not continue when the service centers multiplied into the 100s. No longer were the gauges and tapes required (this prompted my favorite Nak mantra of the late 80s "betta send to factly" (factory)). Those of us still in the service business were able to solve most of our problems without tech support, but I quite frankly felt the Nak service department had turned a deaf ear to we techs, justifiably so perhaps, based on screwed up repairs returned to California. Mr. Pierce's outrage makes me wonder why he continued to sell Nakamichi for so many years? Could it be that his customers appreciated the product despite his disdain? Cassette decks outsold reel to reel by 10 to 1. Cassette decks made reel to reel a curious footnote to all but the tape hobbists. While I dearly loved reel to reel and had 200 tapes dubbed from records, I never converted to cassette. The issue to me was access to the vinyl, not that cassette sounded better (which it did even with my upgrade to the Teac A2300SX) or worse. I began to buy the vinyl. Cassette technology however continued to fascinate me. Had reel to reel been important enough to receive R+D dollars, the story might be different, but the industry learned that the "compact" cassette ruled by virtue of size alone. Note that we enjoy "compact" disc today. Mr. Pierce hates that cassette had so many engineering obstacles to overcome to match reel performance. That Nakamichi led the R+D effort for 15 years is a tribute to the company. Anyone at the front of the pack is most vulnerable to attack. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! I found this discussion in a Google Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end). This discussion took place in 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether. One participant in this discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has some choice words to say about Nakamichi. He absolutely HATES the company and anything it ever produced. If even half of what he says in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say the least. A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak opinions as well. Check it out: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49e e2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5# ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 24 20:55:24 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:55:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Message-ID: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Sep 24 17:44:56 2007 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: <928622.29847.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com> Great post Tom, I neglected to say in my post the part about consumer complaints. When a high-end 'anything' company sells products, there are a significant amount of 'nuisance' consumers that plague them. People that are well-heeled will often go the extra distance to try and talk with someone in upper management (or the CEO etc) about a defective product, or threaten civil action. There is a lot of unnecessary time devoted to that and potential bad PR. I'm sure if you could examine the entire documented efforts of those complaints, you would soon realize what Nak had to deal with and why they may have developed 'attitude'. What that does of course, is ruin it for the rest of us consumers with legitimate complaints. It would only take a half dozen or so whining, dead-horse-beaters playing the part of the 'little consumer' against the 'giant corportaion' to torpedo a company's warranty service policies-especially if frivolous law suits were pending. Kevin "Poor Mr. Pierce, The incivility of this thread teaches us a lesson. My journey with Nak began at the beginning. The was a marked change in the service department in the mid 80s, a change in both management and focus brought on by increased sales and the enrollment of many new dealers in the US. In 1980 Nakamichi had a handfull of dealers, and each service department had a technician that was flown to California at Nakamichi expense for 3 days of training. The personal relationships formed by this process served well for 10 years, but Nakamichi could not continue when the service centers multiplied into the 100s. No longer were the gauges and tapes required (this prompted my favorite Nak mantra of the late 80s "betta send to factly" (factory)). Those of us still in the service business were able to solve most of our problems without tech support, but I quite frankly felt the Nak service department had turned a deaf ear to we techs, justifiably so perhaps, based on screwed up repairs returned to California. Mr. Pierce's outrage makes me wonder why he continued to sell Nakamichi for so many years? Could it be that his customers appreciated the product despite his disdain? Cassette decks outsold reel to reel by 10 to 1. Cassette decks made reel to reel a curious footnote to all but the tape hobbists. While I dearly loved reel to reel and had 200 tapes dubbed from records, I never converted to cassette. The issue to me was access to the vinyl, not that cassette sounded better (which it did even with my upgrade to the Teac A2300SX) or worse. I began to buy the vinyl. Cassette technology however continued to fascinate me. Had reel to reel been important enough to receive R+D dollars, the story might be different, but the industry learned that the "compact" cassette ruled by virtue of size alone. Note that we enjoy "compact" disc today. Mr. Pierce hates that cassette had so many engineering obstacles to overcome to match reel performance. That Nakamichi led the R+D effort for 15 years is a tribute to the company. Anyone at the front of the pack is most vulnerable to attack. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Sep 24 18:23:01 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:23:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED Message-ID: <092420071623.27714.46F7E4650008ABF600006C4222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have two parts decks -- a CR-3 and an MR-2. I need to download the complete service manuals for both of these machines, so I can have the part listings. I found an MR-2 service manual on ebaman, but it is missing the page that lists the parts on the main PC board -- and that's the MAIN page I need!!! Actually, the only service pages I need for these decks are the ones that list all the parts on the main PC board. So if anyone has a hard copy, I would even take a scan of just those pages. Can anyone help? THANKS! *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Sep 24 19:20:40 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:20:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Message-ID: Pierce's claim here - "Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close." This claim is completely false, which throws the rest of his arguments into doubt for me. I owned an A-77 and a variety of Naks including a 550 which I used for field recordings. I used a 1000 at work. The A-77 had a beautiful tone, but was noisy as hell - way noisier than any Nak with Dolby. Also, high W&F. I finally got rid of my A-77 a few years ago because I couldn't stand the noise anymore, and simply listen to my old reel-to-reels thru a late model Teac which is much quieter, even if it doesn't have the subtle tonal qualities of the A77. It looks to me like Pierce was snubbed by Nak management and is out to get back - I think his technical claims are bogus. The Nak people were widely known for being snotty, with some exceptions. When I have my friends over to hear some of the live recordings I made in the 80's with my 550 from the mic feed on stage, the response is usually "hey, this is better than CD." Did anybody else find a 400 Hz spike in the noise floor of the 550? A lot of people on Naktalk have good test equipment. Can anybody else find it? Or is it so way down in the noise it's inaudible? Jeff W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The website that later became naks.com com > is there for 10 years! > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime > naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that > is also still around. > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk Mon Sep 24 22:04:36 2007 From: prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk (prbrooke at globalnet.co.uk) Date: 24 Sep 2007 21:04:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re 680ZX Reset Problem (Passim) In-Reply-To: <200709241002.l8OA1CCQ017830@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709241002.l8OA1CCQ017830@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Re my 680ZX resetting ... I managed to get a set of belts, and replaced mode cam, counter, and azimouth drive belts. As recommended, I left the existing drive fly wheel belt alone. At the same time I cleaned surfaces and recalibrated the mode cam. Everything runs smoother now, but I'm still having the same problem - the mode cam will not stay in place except for when Pause is selected. All other cases it returns to the rest position when I release the relevant control button. I'm convinced that this is something simple. I just wish I could work out what it is. Are there any other adjustments/calibrations that I could try to correct the fault? Thanks for you help. Peter Brooke On Sep 24 2007, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: Nakamichi Haters! (Alex Cozac) 2. Re: Nakamichi Haters! (BOEING747600 at aol.com) 3. UPDATE 3: CR-7A Repair - TWO CULPRITS FOUND! (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 4. Re: Nakamichi Haters! (Ron) 5. Re: Nakamichi Haters! (drewes) 6. Re: Old Naks Vs New Ones (Kevin Fetner) 7. Re:Old Naks Vs New Ones (Kevin Fetner) 8. UPDATE #4: CR-7A Repair - HELP! I'm Stuck! (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) 9. Re: Nakamichi Haters! (Kevin Fetner) 10. Re: UPDATE #4: CR-7A Repair - HELP! I'm Stuck! (savtech at xtra.co.nz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:50:18 +0000 From: Alex Cozac Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Fred, Not necessary true!!! When I acquired my first Nak product a Tri Tracer 1000/ll...all information & some belts + oil for maintenance I received "Completely FREE" directly from Tokio. They during 1978 & further...Nakamichi customer care directly from the factory in Japan, provide me all the neccesary information & "Often Wear Down" small parts as interconnects (I got 3 times also the good ones once added to the ZLX series), belts, Instructions & service manuals front cabinet screws...& other items that I can't recall today after so long time. It's possible that after few years they stopped such "Customer Care Services"...but with me when was imperative...their Customer Dept with me was 100% truly a satisfaction! Peace, Alex! > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:59:51 -0500> From: > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters!> > Hi Andy,> What this man has to > say about Nakamichi is sad but TRUE. They were > impossible to deal with > and could care less once they got their product > shipped. I was kind of, > get it out the door and it's your problem now. > Fred M> > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > >I found this discussion in a Google > Groups newsgroup (rec.audio.hi-end).> >> >This discussion took place in > 1996, right after the announcement that Nakamichi had made the decision > to pull out of the hi-fi market altogether.> >> >One participant in this > discussion, a person by the name of "Richard D Pierce", certainly has > some choice words to say about Nakamichi. > >> >He absolutely HATES the > company and anything it ever produced.> >> >If even half of what he says > in this discussion is true, then it is thought-provoking reading, to say > the least.> >> >A couple of other people chime in with negative Nak > opinions as well.> >> >Check it out:> >> > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/browse_thread/thread/9f49ee2fa8c040bd/629db85605dd6320?lnk=st&q=nakamichi+power+supply&rnum=5#> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > >> >> > > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing I dont like about the Nakamichi is the cheap looking tape transport design in even in their most expensive cassette decks like the 1000 ZXL in comparision my Revox B 710 cassette deck has four direct drive motors( 2 motors drive the reel hubs direct and two drive the capstan shaft direct!!) with NO! clutch , belts or idler to wear out, but I do think Nakamichi did design some of the finest sounding electronic circuits for their tape decks, maybe the reason for the plasticky! looking tape transport was to dampen the noises that results from soleniod and vibrations , there must have been a good reason! why they did not adapt direct drive motors to drive the hubs and capstan shafts, ok I will admit the Nakamichi Dragon has direct drive motors for capstan which I also own but why not the 1000 zxl?!! which was even more expensive than the Dragon. Currently trying to fix the 1000 zxl with help of dear Ben who have been really great and very kind to help me for which I really thank him from the bottom of my hear! I have owned most all hi-end Nakamichi Cassette Deck including the CR7A, 700 ZXL , but hope to own the ZX9 some day which some say is one of the best! Nakamichi. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070923/3cc5eee2/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:12:31 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 3: CR-7A Repair - TWO CULPRITS FOUND! To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <092320071412.29738.46F6744F000D951B0000742A22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> Special note to Barry (savtech at xtra.co.nz): I read your message after I found and fixed the power supply problem. Your instincts were spot-on! Read below... Okay, after taking all of the readings on the various connectors coming from the power supply, I started to re-connect those various connectors, ONE BY ONE, to their various locations on the CR-7A's logic board (4 locations) and main board (1 location). I figured that when the fuses blew, I would have narrowed down the problem area. (NOTE: I never disconnected the connectors on the power supply that led to the deck's heads, because I figured they would be OK.) Keep in mind that I had TWO goals at this point: First, I had to find the short circuit(s) causing the power supply fuses to blow. Second, I had to restore the functions of the deck that were dead--and there were a LOT of them. Here is a partial list of the major stuff that DIDN'T work: No capstan movement No tape transport functions No tape transport button LED's No Dolby on/off No tape EQ selection No record fader Remote sensor LED not acknowledging the remote Parts of FL display not lit Other than this, the deck was fine! LOL! OK, I verified, after switching the deck on and letting it sit for about 30 minutes, that all three power supply fuses were TOTALLY intact (no filaments bent, discolored, or blown). I started to reconnect the power supply to the rest of the deck. HERE IS THE PROCEDURE: I would reconnect a connector, let the deck sit for a few minutes, turn the deck off, check all three power supply fuses, switch the deck back on, and then move to the next connector. I started with Connector 7, a small connector carrying 19v DC and -14.5v DC to the logic board. Since this connector's voltage readings were pretty much spot-on, I thought it was a safe candidate for re-connection. It was. Connector 5 was OK...AND THE CAPSTANS STARTED SPINNING. This was the first time they had done this since I acquired this deck! I scored that as being a very minor triumph, and moved on. Connector 4 was OK. I was a bit anxious re-connecting Connector 6 to the logic board for two reasons: First, Connector 6 has 5 pins, each with a different voltage on it, so that meant that I was re-introducing FIVE voltage sources back into the deck circuitry. If any power supply fuses blew, then I could have FIVE possible paths I needed to check. Secondly, I was bothered by the fact that the third pin of this connector did not measure correct voltage (see UPDATE 2). It should have had just over 5v DC but instead had only about .005 volts, so something was definitely wrong in the power supply stage. But I thought it would be safe enough to re-connect this particular connector since I was dealing with a voltage that was too LOW instead of too high. Connector 6 turned out to be OK. The parts of the display that had been lit came back on again. I then re-attached Connector 40 to the main board...AND NOTHING CAME ON ANYMORE. The capstans weren't spinning, and all lights and display elements remained dark. I FOUND A PROBLEM. I quickly turned the deck off and examined the fuses. None of them had blown or had even been stressed, but I knew that I had found a short. Had I left the deck on, I am sure that fuses would have blown. So now my problem area was narrowed down. It was on the main board somewhere. I started at the beginning and checked the two 2200uF 16v capacitors that apparently buffered the incoming power supply voltage. One capacitor was OK, but the other one was CLEARLY shorted!!!! To make sure, I removed it from the main board and checked it again. YEP, DEFINITELY SHORTED. ZERO RESISTANCE. I yanked an equivalent capacitor from a parts deck (thank goodness for parts decks!) and installed it. All of the things I had managed to activate previously (capstans, lights, part of the display, etc.) were now on again, and more importantly, after leaving the deck on and re-checking the fuses, NO MORE BLOWN OR STRESSED FUSES. CULPRIT #1: FOUND! The deck still didn't work because many of the items on the "dead" list were still dead. So I turned my attention to that low voltage on the power supply. That was definitely another problem where another culprit was hiding, and I was sure that it was the reason why the deck still wasn't alive yet. I decided that a good place to start would be to measure resistance of the transistors on the power supply board; specifically, the transistors associated with pin 3 of Connector 6. (NOTE: I took these measurements with the power OFF.) I traced the path coming from pin 3 of Connector 6 and ran smack into Q410. I took some resistance readings of Q410, comparing the resistance between B-C and B-E. BOTH READINGS WERE VERY LOW. Not what I typically get when I measure a transistor. Hmmm...that can't be right. I found a group of equivalent transistors and measured them, just to compare. MUCH HIGHER RESISTANCE READINGS ON ALL THE OTHER TRANSISTORS. Why was Q410 so low? There was no other conclusion: It had to be faulty. I removed Q410. The board underneath Q410 had a black spot where some excess heat had clearly been. OUCH, things weren't looking good for my new little friend!!!! I took a look at the casing of Q410. IT WAS SPLIT OPEN RIGHT DOWN THE SIDE. This transistor had obviously blown up!!! I found an equivalent transistor in one of my parts decks (bless 'em!), installed the transistor, and turned the deck on. SUCCESS!!!! Pin 3 of Connector 6 had just the right voltage again, and just as important, all of the deck's major functions seemed fine. I was listening to a tape within minutes. I turned the deck off and checked all three fuses. They were all perfectly intact. No stress whatsoever on any of the filaments. CULPRIT #2: FOUND! *andy* ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:23:31 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46F676E3.90204 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To recount my own experience with this company... I called to ask for the service bulletin for the CR-7 equalization mod. They first claimed that it did not exist (a lie). They then told me that they only provide that information to their dealers, not owners. I got as far as the top service manager. The person was rude and not very intelligent -- he obviously assumed I was so clueless as to swallow anything he said. I finally told him that with their attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually folded. I wasn't. I have great appreciation to Nakamichi products. I have a CR-7 cassette deck in the main system and an RE-2 Receiver in the my lab system, both of which are excellent. But I wouldn't dream of buying anything younger than 25 years from Nakamichi, even if there was any product to buy. From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 25 00:10:05 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:10:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I searched for a bulletin. I don't recall ever having a complaint on the 550 oscillator. I did find NR0029 a bulletin to reduce the bleed through of the oscillator on the 600-II. Perhaps his memory was bolluxed. I never had 500 problems or cracked reel problems with the original transport. A change in the idler materials was made, but this was a wear and tear issue. I too, owned an A77. Nakamichi decks outperformed the Revox at 3.75 ips. Hiss was a problem, but you could hit the levels pretty hard on the Revox , so they might have been comparable. At 7.5ips my gut says the Revox was better, but I have bias issues as follows! I marvel at the guys that used 550s for live recording. My recording experience was largley Baroque ensembles with distant micing, and I treasured the Revox headroom! I think there is just a professional disbelief that live recording is possible on cassette, yet the average consumer with no reel to reel has found it works quite well. I've never heard anyone fault the hours and hours and hours of Grateful Dead recording direct from console to 550s in the taper's section. A good customer of mine, Dancin' Dan, (who coined Nakdoc, btw) taped with his 550 for years. When DAT was a gray market product in the US he switched to a little AIWA and fell in love with digital bass. He came by with both recorders and tapes from the same show, and I felt the DAT sounded much clearer in the bass. I saw his library once...a wall of cassettes and DATs. He still played both formats, which I think is a testimony to the quality of the 550. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Pierce's claim here - "Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close." This claim is completely false, which throws the rest of his arguments into doubt for me. I owned an A-77 and a variety of Naks including a 550 which I used for field recordings. I used a 1000 at work. The A-77 had a beautiful tone, but was noisy as hell - way noisier than any Nak with Dolby. Also, high W&F. I finally got rid of my A-77 a few years ago because I couldn't stand the noise anymore, and simply listen to my old reel-to-reels thru a late model Teac which is much quieter, even if it doesn't have the subtle tonal qualities of the A77. It looks to me like Pierce was snubbed by Nak management and is out to get back - I think his technical claims are bogus. The Nak people were widely known for being snotty, with some exceptions. When I have my friends over to hear some of the live recordings I made in the 80's with my 550 from the mic feed on stage, the response is usually "hey, this is better than CD." Did anybody else find a 400 Hz spike in the noise floor of the 550? A lot of people on Naktalk have good test equipment. Can anybody else find it? Or is it so way down in the noise it's inaudible? Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 25 00:06:42 2007 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:06:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED References: <092420071623.27714.46F7E4650008ABF600006C4222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <01b401c7fef7$3113b1e0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Andy The 'so called' CR3 Operating manual on Ebaman is in fact a Service manual. If U have any problem then mail me & I will fwd a previously downloaded copy. REgards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED > > I have two parts decks -- a CR-3 and an MR-2. > > I need to download the complete service manuals for both of these > machines, so I can have the part listings. > > I found an MR-2 service manual on ebaman, but it is missing the page that > lists the parts on the main PC board -- and that's the MAIN page I need!!! > > Actually, the only service pages I need for these decks are the ones that > list all the parts on the main PC board. > > So if anyone has a hard copy, I would even take a scan of just those > pages. > > Can anyone help? > > > THANKS! > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: > 23/09/2007 13:53 > > From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue Sep 25 05:11:15 2007 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:11:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED References: <092420071623.27714.46F7E4650008ABF600006C4222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <01b401c7fef7$3113b1e0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <002301c7ff21$bc4a7b70$7100000a@corp.halex.com.au> Dave, Great to know you've got a copy of CR3 Service Manual. I've tried repeatedly to download from Ebaman without success. Would you mind emailing me a copy? Regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED > Andy > > The 'so called' CR3 Operating manual on Ebaman is in fact a Service > manual. If U have any problem then mail me & I will fwd a previously > downloaded copy. > > REgards > dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] SERVICE MANUAL INFO NEEDED > > >> >> I have two parts decks -- a CR-3 and an MR-2. >> >> I need to download the complete service manuals for both of these >> machines, so I can have the part listings. >> >> I found an MR-2 service manual on ebaman, but it is missing the page that >> lists the parts on the main PC board -- and that's the MAIN page I >> need!!! >> >> Actually, the only service pages I need for these decks are the ones that >> list all the parts on the main PC board. >> >> So if anyone has a hard copy, I would even take a scan of just those >> pages. >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> >> THANKS! >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: >> 23/09/2007 13:53 >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 06:20:35 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:20:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 5: CR-7A Repair - TWO MORE CULPRITS FOUND Message-ID: <092520070420.17559.46F88C93000979CA0000449722165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello Again, Naktalkers........... With the help of some expert guidance from my friend Barry in NZ, I was able to find and replace two more culprits lurking in my CR-7A's power supply. My current goal is to get pin 3 of Connector 6 down to its proper voltage of 5.6v DC or thereabouts. It has been feeding my logic board just over 12v DC -- which is WAY too much voltage. Barry tells me that Zener diode 402 and diode 405 are supposed to set the proper base voltage for Q410. I replaced Q410, but when I replaced it I did not think about replacing those two diodes as well. Well, I pulled them both out of the circuit and tested them. BOTH DIODES WERE SHORTED OUT - NO GOOD AT ALL. I should have known that when Q410 blew up that it would take some other things with it! I replaced both of those diodes and things have calmed down...but only a TINY bit. Thanks to Barry's spot-on information, I now have the proper base voltage on Q410 (just over 6v DC), but pin 3 on Connector 6 is still too high...I'm still getting around 11.75v DC. Barry also tells me that Q409's collector should be around 6-7vDC. Instead, I am getting just over 13v DC on Q409's collector. So I think I need to shift my attention to Q409 and its neighbors. I am starting to doubt that Q410 was the origin of the problem. Instead, I think something else has developed a fault and over time, Q410 was damaged as a result of it. I'm still stuck at this stage, but I sincerely appreciate the help because it has shortened my repair time considerably! Thanks once again!!! *andy* From benstratford at aol.com Tue Sep 25 09:44:47 2007 From: benstratford at aol.com (benstratford at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:44:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Hi Everyone,? ? A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years!? This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe!? Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around.? Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years!? ? Wouter? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Sep 25 11:26:19 2007 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:26:19 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> Bravo Wouter We are all very grateful for having this great site and forum for our beloved decks! Manos- Athens/Gr benstratford at aol.com wrote: > Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement. > Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wouter Heijke > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm > Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! > > Hi Everyone, > > A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com > is there for 10 years! > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special > longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first > to subscribe! > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense > that is also still around. > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > from your favourite artists. Click Here > for more information. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 12:00:48 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:00:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328@mail.gmail.com> Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe let us know an alternative way to donate. Thanks again, George On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Bravo Wouter > > We are all very grateful for having this great site and forum for our > beloved decks! > > Manos- Athens/Gr > > > benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > > Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement. > > Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wouter Heijke > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm > > Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com > > is there for 10 years! > > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special > > longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first > > to subscribe! > > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense > > that is also still around. > > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > > from your favourite artists. Click Here > > for more information. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 12:44:27 2007 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:44:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Years Message-ID: <000a01c7ff61$0b9911c0$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Wouter, Ten years!!! Very Good!!! This forum is indeed a very valuable asset for all of us Nak lovers across the world......congratulations! Robert Kent, California Wouter Wrote: Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 25 13:22:50 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:22:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F8EF8A.7090805@xs4all.nl> Thanks for this! i've changed the button, apparently paypal has changed something so it stopped working. Wouter george valkov wrote: > Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! > > I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on > the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep > getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe > let us know an alternative way to donate. > > Thanks again, > George > > On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 13:03:33 2007 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:03:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> Message-ID: My best wishes...Wouter, pleasanter accomplishment...don't let us down! Cheers, Alex - Israel. > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:26:19 +0300> From: koman56 at otenet.gr> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 years!> > Bravo Wouter> > We are all very grateful for having this great site and forum for our > beloved decks!> > Manos- Athens/Gr> > > benstratford at aol.com wrote:> > > Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement.> > Ben> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Wouter Heijke > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm> > Subject: [naktalk] 10 years!> >> > Hi Everyone, > > > > A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com > > is there for 10 years! > > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special > > longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first > > to subscribe! > > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense > > that is also still around. > > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. 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NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 25 13:22:19 2007 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:22:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F8EF6B.5040805@snet.net> How cool to find out I was one of the first naktalkers... I kind of feel like I've just received an honorary degree or something! Happy Birthday Wouter. As an ancient, I can say that while this forum has had its ups and downs, this community has proven its ability to thrive over the long run. Now, all this talk of 550s has me wanting to get my deck back together again. In a nutshell, the motor's shot. The bushings are too worn for a rebuild. I've got a couple of spares but the problem is that they are different. I must have a very early deck and am wondering if anyone has experience with retrofitting a later motor? Best, Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Pierce's claim here - > > "Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close." > > This claim is completely false, which throws the rest of his arguments > into doubt for me. I owned an A-77 and a variety of Naks including a > 550 which I used for field recordings. I used a 1000 at work. The > A-77 had a beautiful tone, but was noisy as hell - way noisier than > any Nak with Dolby. Also, high W&F. I finally got rid of my A-77 a > few years ago because I couldn't stand the noise anymore, and simply > listen to my old reel-to-reels thru a late model Teac which is much > quieter, even if it doesn't have the subtle tonal qualities of the > A77. It looks to me like Pierce was snubbed by Nak management and is > out to get back - I think his technical claims are bogus. The Nak > people were widely known for being snotty, with some exceptions. > > When I have my friends over to hear some of the live recordings I made > in the 80's with my 550 from the mic feed on stage, the response is > usually "hey, this is better than CD." > > Did anybody else find a 400 Hz spike in the noise floor of the 550? A > lot of people on Naktalk have good test equipment. Can anybody else > find it? Or is it so way down in the noise it's inaudible? > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > and Make AOL Your > Homepage . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 13:48:19 2007 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <013b01c7ff69$f834d750$0307a8c0@DR1> Congratulations Wouter, and everyone at Naktalk! This is a superb forum - not just for the valuable Nakamichi specific help and information that is offered by the core group of contributors, but also for the really fascinating and wide ranging tangental discussions that are percolating within this group. There is such a wealth of diverse information being bantered about on a daily basis. Thank you Wouter for creating such a lively forum where so many intelligent and passionate audiophiles can express themselves! Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:55 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 14:40:14 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6956.24700.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congrats Wouter it is a tough job maintaining a resource so valuable, and thanks to all those forum members who kept this very useful to Nak owners. Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! 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URL: From ti at amb.org Tue Sep 25 14:54:50 2007 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 10 years Message-ID: <20070925125450.83C935F395@smtp.amb.org> Excellent... let's keep a good thing going. -Ti From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Sep 25 15:47:07 2007 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:47:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <46F8EF8A.7090805@xs4all.nl> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328@mail.gmail.com> <46F8EF8A.7090805@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <518b7b10709250647w21712eacn9c4db72eaacf12ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi Wouter, Pleased to confirm that the donation link now works OK, as you might have noticed -:) George On 9/25/07, Wouter Heijke wrote: > Thanks for this! i've changed the button, apparently paypal has changed > something so it stopped working. > Wouter > > george valkov wrote: > > Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! > > > > I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on > > the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep > > getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe > > let us know an alternative way to donate. > > > > Thanks again, > > George > > > > On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From badanth at aim.com Tue Sep 25 16:05:12 2007 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:05:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <6956.24700.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9CD9439865C1E-9EC-8AF3@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> May it go on forever!!! -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 8:40 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 years! Congrats Wouter it is a tough job maintaining a resource so valuable, and thanks to all those forum members who kept this very useful to Nak owners. Kannan Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! 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Watch previews, get listings, and more! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 25 16:16:13 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:16:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! In-Reply-To: <518b7b10709250647w21712eacn9c4db72eaacf12ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F8081C.1050008@xs4all.nl> <8C9CD5F14867F10-C4C-301B@Webmail-mg01.sysops.aol.com> <46F8D43B.8010603@otenet.gr> <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328@mail.gmail.com> <46F8EF8A.7090805@xs4all.nl> <518b7b10709250647w21712eacn9c4db72eaacf12ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F9182D.507@xs4all.nl> Great, thank you very much George! Wouter george valkov wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Pleased to confirm that the donation link now works OK, as you might > have noticed -:) > > George > > From hitech at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 25 17:06:56 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) In-Reply-To: <46F8EF6B.5040805@snet.net> Message-ID: Ed, There was a mod for a new motor. Post a photo of what you have and I will check my 600 scrapper. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) How cool to find out I was one of the first naktalkers... I kind of feel like I've just received an honorary degree or something! Happy Birthday Wouter. As an ancient, I can say that while this forum has had its ups and downs, this community has proven its ability to thrive over the long run. Now, all this talk of 550s has me wanting to get my deck back together again. In a nutshell, the motor's shot. The bushings are too worn for a rebuild. I've got a couple of spares but the problem is that they are different. I must have a very early deck and am wondering if anyone has experience with retrofitting a later motor? Best, Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Pierce's claim here - "Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close." This claim is completely false, which throws the rest of his arguments into doubt for me. I owned an A-77 and a variety of Naks including a 550 which I used for field recordings. I used a 1000 at work. The A-77 had a beautiful tone, but was noisy as hell - way noisier than any Nak with Dolby. Also, high W&F. I finally got rid of my A-77 a few years ago because I couldn't stand the noise anymore, and simply listen to my old reel-to-reels thru a late model Teac which is much quieter, even if it doesn't have the subtle tonal qualities of the A77. It looks to me like Pierce was snubbed by Nak management and is out to get back - I think his technical claims are bogus. The Nak people were widely known for being snotty, with some exceptions. When I have my friends over to hear some of the live recordings I made in the 80's with my 550 from the mic feed on stage, the response is usually "hey, this is better than CD." Did anybody else find a 400 Hz spike in the noise floor of the 550? A lot of people on Naktalk have good test equipment. Can anybody else find it? Or is it so way down in the noise it's inaudible? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 25 21:07:50 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:07:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) In-Reply-To: <46F8EF6B.5040805@snet.net> References: <46F8EF6B.5040805@snet.net> Message-ID: <46F95C86.7060403@xs4all.nl> Feel cool and be it, because you are! There aren't any medals, but if there were... While browsing through my 1998 naktalk mailbox i also see Norman van Wijnen listed, congrats also to you Norman! A bummer is that the online archive doesn't have these posts, will try to fix this if i can. Wouter Edward Noyes wrote: > How cool to find out I was one of the first naktalkers... I kind of > feel like I've just received an honorary degree or something! Happy > Birthday Wouter. As an ancient, I can say that while this forum has > had its ups and downs, this community has proven its ability to thrive > over the long run. > > Now, all this talk of 550s has me wanting to get my deck back together > again. In a nutshell, the motor's shot. The bushings are too worn for > a rebuild. I've got a couple of spares but the problem is that they > are different. > > I must have a very early deck and am wondering if anyone has > experience with retrofitting a later motor? > > Best, Ed > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 03:04:03 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:04:03 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Message-ID: Hi Wouter, Congartulations on 10 great years of Naktalk, all the memebers here are great and we have great brains like Kannan, Tom Brucker, Bala and Kermit. Where is Kermit havent read any of his post of lately?! but again I have been away from naktalk for many months myself. Hope to get my 1000zxl up and running with kind help of Ben and rest of the great brains in here! With Best Regards! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 04:34:04 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:34:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nice, But I Wouldn't Trust It Message-ID: <092620070234.26610.46F9C51C000C8431000067F222165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> There is a very nice 700ZXL for sale right now on eBay. The seller lives in the U.S. One of the photos shows the back of the deck, where you can clearly see that this is a 100-volt model, for use in Japan. I asked the seller if the deck had been modified for use with U.S. voltage. I also said that if the deck had not been modified for U.S. voltage, then there is a good possibility that the deck could become damaged. This is the reply I got: "I do not know if it's been modified. With the standard 110 plug plus the presence of the 'Alpha Audio Labs' St. Louis MO logo on rear, I would imagine it works with standard US current (it did well for me, no damage). I own several audio devices made in Japan with the same electrical rating on the power supply. Depending upon which one of my properties I'm at, line voltage varies from 98 - 127 VAC, and I haven't had problems with any of them so far. " What do you all think? *andy* From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 22:46:48 2007 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <722652.66322.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NR-0029 is one I've never heard of before. Can I get a title, number of pages and release date on that one. I want to update Wouter's Naks/Wiki page. http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Scott J. hitech at bellsouth.net wrote: I searched for a bulletin. I don't recall ever having a complaint on the 550 oscillator. I did find NR0029 a bulletin to reduce the bleed through of the oscillator on the 600-II. Perhaps his memory was bolluxed. I never had 500 problems or cracked reel problems with the original transport. A change in the idler materials was made, but this was a wear and tear issue. I too, owned an A77. Nakamichi decks outperformed the Revox at 3.75 ips. Hiss was a problem, but you could hit the levels pretty hard on the Revox , so they might have been comparable. At 7.5ips my gut says the Revox was better, but I have bias issues as follows! I marvel at the guys that used 550s for live recording. My recording experience was largley Baroque ensembles with distant micing, and I treasured the Revox headroom! I think there is just a professional disbelief that live recording is possible on cassette, yet the average consumer with no reel to reel has found it works quite well. I've never heard anyone fault the hours and hours and hours of Grateful Dead recording direct from console to 550s in the taper's section. A good customer of mine, Dancin' Dan, (who coined Nakdoc, btw) taped with his 550 for years. When DAT was a gray market product in the US he switched to a little AIWA and fell in love with digital bass. He came by with both recorders and tapes from the same show, and I felt the DAT sounded much clearer in the bass. I saw his library once...a wall of cassettes and DATs. He still played both formats, which I think is a testimony to the quality of the 550. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Haters! Pierce's claim here - "Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close." This claim is completely false, which throws the rest of his arguments into doubt for me. I owned an A-77 and a variety of Naks including a 550 which I used for field recordings. I used a 1000 at work. The A-77 had a beautiful tone, but was noisy as hell - way noisier than any Nak with Dolby. Also, high W&F. I finally got rid of my A-77 a few years ago because I couldn't stand the noise anymore, and simply listen to my old reel-to-reels thru a late model Teac which is much quieter, even if it doesn't have the subtle tonal qualities of the A77. It looks to me like Pierce was snubbed by Nak management and is out to get back - I think his technical claims are bogus. The Nak people were widely known for being snotty, with some exceptions. When I have my friends over to hear some of the live recordings I made in the 80's with my 550 from the mic feed on stage, the response is usually "hey, this is better than CD." Did anybody else find a 400 Hz spike in the noise floor of the 550? A lot of people on Naktalk have good test equipment. Can anybody else find it? Or is it so way down in the noise it's inaudible? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 26 03:58:36 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:58:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OTL ESR MEter Message-ID: <46F9BCCC.4090605@rcn.com> Even though an ESR meter is obviously OT on this list, I think that, due to wide spread recapping enthusiasts, this might be of interest to some. I recently found out about an available $70 (plus S/H) kit for an ESR meter. An assembled unit costs $130. I decided to get the kit, as I have wanted a low ohm meter (that an ESR meter can double for) for quite some time. I thought the price was reasonable and don't mind putting stuff together. It arrived yesterday. Assembly was a short evening job, with minor debugging and calibration taking part of the following morning. The unit is small (actually, almost 'cute') and reasonably accurate (after calibrating at 68 Ohms, it read a 5.6 Ohm resistor as 5.7 Ohms. That's 0.2% accurate. Not bad). It reads resistances in the range of 0.01 ohms to 99 Ohms. It runs on internal 6 AAA cells. It's processor controlled and has such niceties as low battery alarm, auto power off (to conserve batteries) and push button zeroing of the probes resistance. The manual assumes some experience on the part of the builder: the instructions are complete, but not detailed. The kit comes with no warranty, though they will replace bad parts. A builder that runs into trouble and has no instruments to debug it is basically on their own... There's a full description, including an assembly manual and lots of links to educational material pertaining to capacitors, on: http://www.flippers.com/esrktmtr.html -- Ron From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Sep 25 23:27:35 2007 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:27:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) References: <46F8EF6B.5040805@snet.net> <46F95C86.7060403@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001101c7ffba$e53e8c30$53f66391@a8n32sli> Thanks Wouter, also from me, of course, congratulations. To be honest , i've never thought that a site for tapedecks would survive for over ten years. Regards and thanks for al the work you've done to keep the site up Norman van Wijnen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) > Feel cool and be it, because you are! > There aren't any medals, but if there were... > > While browsing through my 1998 naktalk mailbox i also see Norman van > Wijnen listed, congrats also to you Norman! > A bummer is that the online archive doesn't have these posts, will try to > fix this if i can. > > Wouter > > Edward Noyes wrote: >> How cool to find out I was one of the first naktalkers... I kind of feel >> like I've just received an honorary degree or something! Happy Birthday >> Wouter. As an ancient, I can say that while this forum has had its ups >> and downs, this community has proven its ability to thrive over the long >> run. >> >> Now, all this talk of 550s has me wanting to get my deck back together >> again. In a nutshell, the motor's shot. The bushings are too worn for a >> rebuild. I've got a couple of spares but the problem is that they are >> different. >> >> I must have a very early deck and am wondering if anyone has experience >> with retrofitting a later motor? >> >> Best, Ed >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 2549 (20070925) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 26 12:48:25 2007 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:48:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 10 years! Message-ID: <200709261224.l8QCN20L006346@zxe.naks.com> Wouter - congratulations. Keeping any website running 10 years is an achievement, especially one where so much knowledge and so many opinions can be shared freely. Thank you for giving us this forum! Chris Mann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 14:54:32 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:54:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Message-ID: <092620071254.18356.46FA5688000EB33B000047B422165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Wouter, Allow me to add my belated CONGRATULATIONS for 10 GREAT years of service to music lovers everywhere! Over the years, I have joined a couple of other groups on the internet that were dedicated to other hobbies. I must say that the people in this group are BETTER BY FAR than any of the other groups! I see more friendship, courtesy, and real sharing of information here than in any other group I have ever been a part of. I joined naktalk several years ago, when I acquired my first Nakamichi deck (the BX-300 that had given me problems not too long ago). I stopped visiting naktalk a couple of years later, but now that I have become a rabid Nak collector, I'm back for good! Thank you Wouter, for providing such great websites about cassette decks, which are still VERY much in demand, no matter what some people say. You are doing a lot of people a great service. Cheers to you and to all of my fellow Nakamaniacs! *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 26 17:50:51 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 In-Reply-To: <794365.1474.qm@web60512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Is this the mode cam pot? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Hi folks! What a pleasure to be at a place that really appreciates these great machines. My problem right now is simple-sort of....I need the 10K(B) volume 'control' pot that is on the same chassis plate with the motor, which works the tape carriage. I know it's an 'Alps' pot, but I can't find a cross. Somebody suggested on another forum that I write Nakamichi and see if they could give me the Alps vendor's true factory #'s. I dunno, that seems like a stretch (?), so I thought I'd try here first. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 26 17:56:15 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:56:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Control Motor NAK 582 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, While one could probably be found, these rarely fail. I have one from a parts machine. A possible issue might be a very tight replacement belt that loads the motor too much. I use the SBS 5.0 belt as a sub for cam and azimuth belts. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of MARK BATES Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Replacement Control Motor NAK 582 Is there a replacement control motor available for a NAK 582 that will work or do you have to salvage one from a parts deck. THANKS in advance for any info. on this. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 27 05:44:02 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:44:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses Message-ID: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have always thought it was so DUMB for Nakamichi to use fuses soldered directly to the circuit board. I know it is rare for them to blow, but in the case of my CR-7A, I had to install inline automotive fuse holders whilst I was working on it. Would it really have been that much more expensive to install fuse holders at the factory? Now that I have finished repairs, it was such a pain soldering little leads onto the replacement fuses. I finally managed to do it, and the end result looks almost as good as the factory fuses did. Now that I have finished my rant....PLEASE don't tell me, after all that trouble, that fuses are available with little leads already attached to them! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 27 06:28:50 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:28:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 6: THE CR-7A IS SORTED...HEALTHY ONCE AGAIN! Message-ID: <092720070428.16176.46FB31820001F3EA00003F3022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I'm happy to say that this is the last update on my CR-7A, because....IT IS FIXED! Here is the final chapter. (By the way, I hope that someone is enjoying reading all of this. I also hope that I'm not boring too many people with this step-by-step account!) I still had not gotten the voltage on pin 3 of Connector 6 down to the 5.6v DC level that it should have, even after replacing the two diodes that regulate the voltage going to the base terminal of transistor Q410. So, whilst I still had the power supply disconnected from the rest of the machine, I figured that I would take voltage readings elsewhere on the power supply board, to see if there were any other weird voltage levels. I started taking readings at the emitter terminals of transistors Q402 and Q406. I decided to ignore Q409 for the moment, because I knew that the voltages would be off. At first, the readings on Q402 and Q406 were right where they should be -- around +12v DC and -12v DC, respectively. But after a few minutes, their emitter voltages almost DOUBLED, to just over 20 volts each! (+ and -) So I knew something was up somewhere besides the usual places I had been examining. I looked at the schematic diagram and started tracing backwards from Q402, and it led me straight to Q403 to Q404. I checked Q403 with my multimeter's diode check function. It was fine. I felt almost disappointed. Next in line was Q404. ***BINGO.*** No reading at all between the base and emitter terminals. Dead as a doornail. To make sure, I took Q404 completely out of the board, which was a pain because that particular transistor sits directly beneath the power transformer...and I really didn't feel like undoing all the wires just so that I could pop the whole power supply board out just for one transistor! When I did manage to remove Q404 from the power supply board, I tested it once again. Sure enough, it was bad. There was no doubt. So I paid another visit to one of my generous parts decks, soldered the new Q404 into place, checked the surrounding diodes and resistors to make sure they had not been affected by Q404's death, and switched the deck back on again. FINALLY! All voltage readings were within spec! The power supply section was healthy once again! I left the deck on for about an hour and took readings periodically, just to make sure no one else was misbehaving. Everything was solid as a rock. Then I took the plunge and reconnected the power supply to the rest of the deck. I turned the deck back on and took more readings, particularly on the logic board, where incorrect voltages can wreak havoc and can even damage irreplaceable IC's (how many CR-7A parts decks are sitting around?). All readings were fine. Connector 6 is located right in the middle of the logic board, and pin 3 was reading a nice healthy (and safe) 5.76v DC. Good boy. ALL functions of the deck have returned to normal, and now that I have had time to play with it, I can honestly say that this is one bloody NICE deck! I really like the real-time tape counter and adjustable playback azimuth. Sometimes I find myself fooling around with the azimuth even when the tape I'm playing sounds fine! It's just something that is kind of nifty to adjust...you do it because you can! I have always wanted to have a shoot-out between my three top decks (682ZX, ZX-9, and this CR-7A), and now that this deck is healthy again, I can do it. My favorite deck is still the 682ZX, but the shoot-out will have to be postponed for a bit, as I have to replace some orange caps in the 682's bias oscillator. After all the surgery I did on my CR-7A, the 682ZX should be a piece of cake! HERE IS A TALLY OF ALL THE CR-7A PARTS THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED: All 3 fuses on the power supply board, 2 transistors and 2 diodes on the power supply board, two capacitors on the main board (only one was bad, but I replaced both of them because they work in series), and the idler tire. P.S. My official diagnosis of this deck is that it was probably hit by a big power surge or maybe even a lightning strike. Transistors and capacitors don't just commit suicide like that. *andy* From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Sep 27 11:01:01 2007 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:01:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 6: THE CR-7A IS SORTED...HEALTHY ONCE AGAIN! In-Reply-To: <092720070428.16176.46FB31820001F3EA00003F3022165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy, Thank you for a very fascinating read! I have been following your trouble shooting process and have to say congratulations! :-) Certainly been informative and entertaining, not in the least bit boring to me. Well done and you must be really glad that the CR-7 is now functioning, I suppose the next step is a full service/calibration? Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get Pimped! FREE emoticon packs from Windows Live - http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 27 15:03:58 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:03:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses In-Reply-To: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46FBAA3E.501@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have always thought it was so DUMB for Nakamichi to use fuses soldered directly to the circuit board. I know it is rare for them to blow, but in the case of my CR-7A, I had to install inline automotive fuse holders whilst I was working on it. Would it really have been that much more expensive to install fuse holders at the factory? I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but leaded fuses are quite common in electronic equipment. They are often accompanied by a notice that no *user* replaceable parts are inside. The idea is to encourage owners to refer service to qualified technicians. Cost is *not* the main consideration. > Now that I have finished repairs, it was such a pain soldering little leads onto the replacement fuses. I finally managed to do it, and the end result looks almost as good as the factory fuses did. Well, perhaps it will be easier next time. Practice makes perfect. > Now that I have finished my rant....PLEASE don't tell me, after all that trouble, that fuses are available with little leads already attached to them! Of course they are. -- Ron > > > *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Sep 27 15:51:26 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:51:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE 6.5: Correcting Some Mis-Information Message-ID: <092720071351.9438.46FBB55E000C451B000024DE22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For those of you who might have been following my updates regarding the repair of my CR-7A, I have to correct some mis-information that I gave at the end of Update 3. When I replaced broken transistor Q410, I stated in Update 3 that pin 3 of Connector 6 once again had the correct voltage (5.6v DC). This was NOT true. I didn't get the correct voltage on pin 3 of Connector 6 until I replaced both of the diodes regulating Q410's base terminal voltage AND replaced defective transistor Q404. Just wanted to clear that up, for those of you playing along at home. *andy* From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 16:27:45 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:27:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses In-Reply-To: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: andy "fuses are available with leads on them" ;)) in the US they are GJV fuses. Automotive fuses are technically 12 volt fuses, but in the secondary of a cassette deck they will work ok. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses I have always thought it was so DUMB for Nakamichi to use fuses soldered directly to the circuit board. I know it is rare for them to blow, but in the case of my CR-7A, I had to install inline automotive fuse holders whilst I was working on it. Would it really have been that much more expensive to install fuse holders at the factory? Now that I have finished repairs, it was such a pain soldering little leads onto the replacement fuses. I finally managed to do it, and the end result looks almost as good as the factory fuses did. Now that I have finished my rant....PLEASE don't tell me, after all that trouble, that fuses are available with little leads already attached to them! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Sep 27 16:31:53 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses In-Reply-To: <46FBAA3E.501@rcn.com> Message-ID: <102179.41923.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also fuse holders can be troublesome with lack of contacts. Directly soldered fuses eliminate possible loss of contact in any of the lines. Since CR7/ Dragon etc have multiple AC lines feeding different powersupplies, it is good to use soldered fuses. kannan Ron wrote: hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have always thought it was so DUMB for Nakamichi to use fuses soldered directly to the circuit board. I know it is rare for them to blow, but in the case of my CR-7A, I had to install inline automotive fuse holders whilst I was working on it. Would it really have been that much more expensive to install fuse holders at the factory? I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but leaded fuses are quite common in electronic equipment. They are often accompanied by a notice that no *user* replaceable parts are inside. The idea is to encourage owners to refer service to qualified technicians. Cost is *not* the main consideration. > Now that I have finished repairs, it was such a pain soldering little leads onto the replacement fuses. I finally managed to do it, and the end result looks almost as good as the factory fuses did. Well, perhaps it will be easier next time. Practice makes perfect. > Now that I have finished my rant....PLEASE don't tell me, after all that trouble, that fuses are available with little leads already attached to them! Of course they are. -- Ron > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 20:37:22 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:37:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 tip Message-ID: This tip may apply to all the CR series. I have seen it twice now. Symptom: one channel out record or play. Cause: rca jacks in back pushed in Cure: from the outside everything looks normal. Under the bonnet you will note a gold contacts behind the RCA plugs pushed in. Push the contact into its proper place and epoxy. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net From hitech at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 27 21:34:29 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:34:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 tip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, I was thinking of you working on this. The CR 5 has the BX300/MR1 direct drive motor. How do you think this deck sounds compared to the BX 300? After set up this deck measured 1% THD at +3 Vu, which is a bit less headroom than older Naks. Oddly all three tape types were -1dB on record level calibrations, using newer tape formulations. Does anyone know what the standard tapes were for the CR series? Did NAk continue to make their own tapes, or had that practice ended? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com [mailto:Bansijeff at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:19 PM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-5 tip In a message dated 9/27/2007 12:15:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hitech at bellsouth.net writes: This tip may apply to all the CR series. I have seen it twice now. Symptom: one channel out record or play. Cause: rca jacks in back pushed in Cure: from the outside everything looks normal. Under the bonnet you will note a gold contacts behind the RCA plugs pushed in. Push the contact into its proper place and epoxy. Hmm, that's interesting. The first deck I ever bought off eBay - a CR-5 - had exactly this problem. I hope you're keeping a log of what problem goes with which model. JW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Sep 27 21:44:38 2007 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:44:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-5 Message-ID: Jeff, I was thinking of you working on this. The CR 5 has the BX300/MR1 direct drive motor. How do you think this deck sounds compared to the BX 300? After set up this deck measured 1% THD at +3 Vu, which is a bit less headroom than older Naks. Oddly all three tape types were -1dB on record level calibrations, using newer tape formulations. Does anyone know what the standard tapes were for the CR series? Did NAk continue to make their own tapes, or had that practice ended? Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 _hitech at bellsouth.net_ (mailto:hitech at bellsouth.net) Hi Tom, I think the CR-5 sounds the same as the BX-300, as far as I can tell, just by listening without extensive testing. The CR-4 too - which I like more than the CR-5 as it has the adjustable level controls. They seem to be more or less all the same to me in tone and W&F. The features of the BX-300 are somewhat more useful to me, especially the adjustable speed control, and the fact that you can do an A-B repeat function using a remote control, which most NAK decks don't do. They have A-B repeat, but not via remote. Off the top of my head, only the BX-300 does this, but I might be wrong about that. The CR's don't. As far as I know, the CR series uses the Nak calibration tapes which were recorded on the ZX-9, a second group of tapes and which were not the ones used on the classic transport. I could go through the service manuals and give you the numbers, but I'm swamped with work right now. Or are you just referring to the Nak type I, II, and IV tapes? take care Jeff ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Sep 28 02:31:13 2007 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:31:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses In-Reply-To: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092720070344.15243.46FB270200009FF400003B8B22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910709271731t4e5f5386gc74cd7c97294f855@mail.gmail.com> Well, generally when the fuse blows, there's a problem with the unit. If it was user reaplacable, people might try to put an higher amperage fuse to keep the fuse from blowing and it could cause fire. I think it's simply a safety concern. 2007/9/26, hwbosshoss at comcast.net : > > > I have always thought it was so DUMB for Nakamichi to use fuses soldered > directly to the circuit board. I know it is rare for them to blow, but in > the case of my CR-7A, I had to install inline automotive fuse holders whilst > I was working on it. Would it really have been that much more expensive to > install fuse holders at the factory? > > Now that I have finished repairs, it was such a pain soldering little > leads onto the replacement fuses. I finally managed to do it, and the end > result looks almost as good as the factory fuses did. > > Now that I have finished my rant....PLEASE don't tell me, after all that > trouble, that fuses are available with little leads already attached to > them! > > > *andy* -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. Or, at least the 3.5v section is dead. I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now little more than a parts deck!!!! WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR THIS DECK??!?!?!?!?!? I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! *andy* From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Sep 28 10:01:20 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:01:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites, try a small transformer that converts 120 vac to 3.5vac Message-ID: HI Andy, If there is space inside the deck maybe you could add a small transformer that make converts 120v ac to 3.5 vac. Its very unusal for the 3.5vac to go dead just like that!! there must be a reason for it! I took had worked on a CR 7A at one time and had sucessfully repaired like you did before this meter problem! its a shame. again ! if you can feed the meter circuit 3.5 ac its need to operate from a small transformer that supplies 3.5 ac from the 120 vac line it might! just do the trick! Thanks! Ali ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 15:01:25 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:01:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? Message-ID: <092820071301.22773.46FCFB25000496CA000058F522165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dave: Your suggestion to use a second transformer is a good one, but I really don't want to do it except as a last resort. There are two reasons for my reluctance, one trivial and one more weighty. The trivial reason is that, even if it worked perfectly, I would know that the deck isn't "right". "I worked hard to get this deck back on its feet, and I want it to be just like every other CR-7!" he said, stamping his feet. The more important reason is that, even if I did get the deck to work perfectly, there would be a nagging question in the back of my mind: WHY did the transformer's 3.5v tap fail, and is it an indication of a deeper problem that could get worse as time goes on? This deck shows clear evidence of having been hit with a power surge or maybe even a lightning strike, and so I suspect the integrity of the transformer as a whole, as a direct result of this latest problem. If I'm being honest with myself, you could say that, if the deck had indeed been hit with a power surge, then the transformer itself was living on "borrowed time" all along. BUT IT IS STILL A MYSTERY WHY THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRANSFORMER IS THE ONLY PART THAT HAS DEVELOPED A FAULT. The other transformer outputs are strong and stable. NO smoke, NO burnt smell, NO flames....just a dead 3.5v supply. WEIRD! *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > Andy > > Couldn't U bastardise it using the transformer from ur CR3A parts deck, used > just to feed the 3.5 circuit, space permitting. Alternatively a pooer bodge > but one that would allow it to carry on 'whilst acquiring better' would be > to rig the feed up from an external transformer with adjustable output > settings [A Chinese cheapo]. You would just need a male socket to connect up > your input leads I guess. > > Shame after all ur quality investigation/fixing work !! > > REgards > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <> > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites > > > > > > I can't believe this happened. > > > > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly > > fine. > > > > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the > > meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > > > > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the tape > > counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > > > > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have no > > meters. > > > > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the > > meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This voltage > > comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > > > > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V AC > > LINES. > > > > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. Or, > > at least the 3.5v section is dead. > > > > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now > > little more than a parts deck!!!! > > > > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR THIS > > DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > > > > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > > 26/09/2007 20:20 > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 16:23:59 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:23:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND Message-ID: <092820071423.14085.46FD0E7F00064BA10000370522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Dave: It looks like my initial panic about a defective transformer might have been an overreaction. First of all, I must apologize for my hasty (and incorrect) assumption that there were TWO 3.5v taps, connected to common ground. This was NOT true. The two blue wires coming from the transformer are ONE complete AC supply with its own floating ground. The GOOD news: This 3.5v tap is NOT dead. It DOES produce voltage. The PUZZLING news: Instead of the 3.5v AC specified in the service manual, I am measuring a steady 7.97v AC. I have discovered a fault on the power supply board - in fact, it's the only possible fault there could be, other than the transformer. HERE IS THE FAULT I DISCOVERED: The two wires of the 3.5v supply (which is actually measuring at 7.97v) come out of the transformer case and are each connected to their own 1-ohm 1/4-watt "R-FUSE" before proceeding to the jumper wire that eventually goes to the flourescent display. One of these "R-FUSES" has become open circuit. The voltage cannot reach the flourescent display. I don't really know what an "R-FUSE" is, actually. That is what it says on the Nakamichi parts list in the service manual. They just seem to be regular dull blue 1-ohm metal film resistors. But the schematic symbol shows a small rectangle with symbols for a fuse and a resistor inside the rectangle, connected in series. Is it possible that these are indeed metal film resistors BEING USED AS FUSES as well as being a voltage drop for the "3.5v" supply which is actually 7.97v? OR...could the excess 7.97v have been too much for the resistors, causing one of them to open up as it has done? *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > ? Perhaps a 'specialist' could rewind it 4U or advise other options that > might be available. Typically a specialist Hifi shop that deals in valve > amps might have the expertise [or know where one is]. AS U say it seems > starnge that only that tap is now affected. Is there anything else on the > circuit board that impacts the transformer 3.5V output feed that U haven't > tested yet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: Last Rites ? > > > > > > Hi, Dave: > > > > Your suggestion to use a second transformer is a good one, but I really > > don't want to do it except as a last resort. > > > > There are two reasons for my reluctance, one trivial and one more weighty. > > > > The trivial reason is that, even if it worked perfectly, I would know that > > the deck isn't "right". > > > > "I worked hard to get this deck back on its feet, and I want it to be just > > like every other CR-7!" he said, stamping his feet. > > > > The more important reason is that, even if I did get the deck to work > > perfectly, there would be a nagging question in the back of my mind: WHY > > did the transformer's 3.5v tap fail, and is it an indication of a deeper > > problem that could get worse as time goes on? > > > > This deck shows clear evidence of having been hit with a power surge or > > maybe even a lightning strike, and so I suspect the integrity of the > > transformer as a whole, as a direct result of this latest problem. > > > > If I'm being honest with myself, you could say that, if the deck had > > indeed been hit with a power surge, then the transformer itself was living > > on "borrowed time" all along. > > > > BUT IT IS STILL A MYSTERY WHY THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRANSFORMER IS > > THE ONLY PART THAT HAS DEVELOPED A FAULT. The other transformer outputs > > are strong and stable. NO smoke, NO burnt smell, NO flames....just a dead > > 3.5v supply. WEIRD! > > > > > > *andy* > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: > >> Andy > >> > >> Couldn't U bastardise it using the transformer from ur CR3A parts deck, > >> used > >> just to feed the 3.5 circuit, space permitting. Alternatively a pooer > >> bodge > >> but one that would allow it to carry on 'whilst acquiring better' would > >> be > >> to rig the feed up from an external transformer with adjustable output > >> settings [A Chinese cheapo]. You would just need a male socket to connect > >> up > >> your input leads I guess. > >> > >> Shame after all ur quality investigation/fixing work !! > >> > >> REgards > >> Dave > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <> > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:37 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I can't believe this happened. > >> > > >> > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly > >> > fine. > >> > > >> > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the > >> > meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > >> > > >> > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the > >> > tape > >> > counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > >> > > >> > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have > >> > no > >> > meters. > >> > > >> > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the > >> > meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This > >> > voltage > >> > comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > >> > > >> > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V > >> > AC > >> > LINES. > >> > > >> > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. > >> > Or, > >> > at least the 3.5v section is dead. > >> > > >> > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now > >> > little more than a parts deck!!!! > >> > > >> > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR > >> > THIS > >> > DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > >> > > >> > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > *andy* > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > >> > 26/09/2007 20:20 > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > > 27/09/2007 17:00 > > > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Sep 28 16:29:47 2007 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:29:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites In-Reply-To: <092820070037.14687.46FC4CC60008F38B0000395F22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092820070037.14687.46FC4CC60008F38B0000395F22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46FD0FDB.7030609@xs4all.nl> Hi Andy! Let me tell you that despite your current bad luck it is really nice to read all your posts! Hope you'll fix it soon! Wouter hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > > > *andy* > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Sep 28 16:45:31 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND In-Reply-To: <092820071423.14085.46FD0E7F00064BA10000370522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <589175.85420.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They are infact fuses ( semiconductor) - and try using 100 - 200 ohm series resistor initially to act as current control. might let you know the actual current flowing / and you can adjust the voltage using this measured current to get it to 3.25 V( I remember it as 6 V check the service manual for voltage between these two lines!) if you want I had built one 220V primary transformer to substitute original CR 7A transformer - In India and it owrked for months without problem. If you are going to use this CR7 for your own use / not a bad idea to get one custom AC step down transformer ( external even to keep the noise absolutely out) I do not think that you will see any more trouble - good luck Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Dave: It looks like my initial panic about a defective transformer might have been an overreaction. First of all, I must apologize for my hasty (and incorrect) assumption that there were TWO 3.5v taps, connected to common ground. This was NOT true. The two blue wires coming from the transformer are ONE complete AC supply with its own floating ground. The GOOD news: This 3.5v tap is NOT dead. It DOES produce voltage. The PUZZLING news: Instead of the 3.5v AC specified in the service manual, I am measuring a steady 7.97v AC. I have discovered a fault on the power supply board - in fact, it's the only possible fault there could be, other than the transformer. HERE IS THE FAULT I DISCOVERED: The two wires of the 3.5v supply (which is actually measuring at 7.97v) come out of the transformer case and are each connected to their own 1-ohm 1/4-watt "R-FUSE" before proceeding to the jumper wire that eventually goes to the flourescent display. One of these "R-FUSES" has become open circuit. The voltage cannot reach the flourescent display. I don't really know what an "R-FUSE" is, actually. That is what it says on the Nakamichi parts list in the service manual. They just seem to be regular dull blue 1-ohm metal film resistors. But the schematic symbol shows a small rectangle with symbols for a fuse and a resistor inside the rectangle, connected in series. Is it possible that these are indeed metal film resistors BEING USED AS FUSES as well as being a voltage drop for the "3.5v" supply which is actually 7.97v? OR...could the excess 7.97v have been too much for the resistors, causing one of them to open up as it has done? *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > ? Perhaps a 'specialist' could rewind it 4U or advise other options that > might be available. Typically a specialist Hifi shop that deals in valve > amps might have the expertise [or know where one is]. AS U say it seems > starnge that only that tap is now affected. Is there anything else on the > circuit board that impacts the transformer 3.5V output feed that U haven't > tested yet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: Last Rites ? > > > > > > Hi, Dave: > > > > Your suggestion to use a second transformer is a good one, but I really > > don't want to do it except as a last resort. > > > > There are two reasons for my reluctance, one trivial and one more weighty. > > > > The trivial reason is that, even if it worked perfectly, I would know that > > the deck isn't "right". > > > > "I worked hard to get this deck back on its feet, and I want it to be just > > like every other CR-7!" he said, stamping his feet. > > > > The more important reason is that, even if I did get the deck to work > > perfectly, there would be a nagging question in the back of my mind: WHY > > did the transformer's 3.5v tap fail, and is it an indication of a deeper > > problem that could get worse as time goes on? > > > > This deck shows clear evidence of having been hit with a power surge or > > maybe even a lightning strike, and so I suspect the integrity of the > > transformer as a whole, as a direct result of this latest problem. > > > > If I'm being honest with myself, you could say that, if the deck had > > indeed been hit with a power surge, then the transformer itself was living > > on "borrowed time" all along. > > > > BUT IT IS STILL A MYSTERY WHY THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRANSFORMER IS > > THE ONLY PART THAT HAS DEVELOPED A FAULT. The other transformer outputs > > are strong and stable. NO smoke, NO burnt smell, NO flames....just a dead > > 3.5v supply. WEIRD! > > > > > > *andy* > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: > >> Andy > >> > >> Couldn't U bastardise it using the transformer from ur CR3A parts deck, > >> used > >> just to feed the 3.5 circuit, space permitting. Alternatively a pooer > >> bodge > >> but one that would allow it to carry on 'whilst acquiring better' would > >> be > >> to rig the feed up from an external transformer with adjustable output > >> settings [A Chinese cheapo]. You would just need a male socket to connect > >> up > >> your input leads I guess. > >> > >> Shame after all ur quality investigation/fixing work !! > >> > >> REgards > >> Dave > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <> > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:37 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I can't believe this happened. > >> > > >> > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly > >> > fine. > >> > > >> > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the > >> > meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > >> > > >> > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the > >> > tape > >> > counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > >> > > >> > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have > >> > no > >> > meters. > >> > > >> > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the > >> > meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This > >> > voltage > >> > comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > >> > > >> > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V > >> > AC > >> > LINES. > >> > > >> > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. > >> > Or, > >> > at least the 3.5v section is dead. > >> > > >> > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now > >> > little more than a parts deck!!!! > >> > > >> > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR > >> > THIS > >> > DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > >> > > >> > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > *andy* > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > >> > 26/09/2007 20:20 > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > > 27/09/2007 17:00 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 28 17:03:45 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:03:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? In-Reply-To: <092820071301.22773.46FCFB25000496CA000058F522165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: andy, don't despair yet. R425 and 426 are fuse resitors. 1 ohm. verify they are ok. Remove the CN 6 connector on power board and check resistance from pin 4 to pin 5. If it is 2 ohms, that is good. If it is infinite, check again across the other sides of R425 and 426. If infinite, the transformer secondary is open. As to why it failed, check disc caps C419 and 420 for a short. There are no other connections or loads on the 3.5 volt filament lines except the display itself. Check for a pinched wire by measuring from the plug side of CN6 pin 4 to ground and 5 to ground. These should be infinite. Across 4 to 5 ought to be a low value. There is a method of using the 5 volt supply transformer taps to power the filament which I will describe if needed. If you do have an open transformer, email Jeff Galin at ESL for part # OB50056 USA or OB50059 for asia/europe. I have never seen lightning damage a filament circuit, for what that's worth. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? Hi, Dave: Your suggestion to use a second transformer is a good one, but I really don't want to do it except as a last resort. There are two reasons for my reluctance, one trivial and one more weighty. The trivial reason is that, even if it worked perfectly, I would know that the deck isn't "right". "I worked hard to get this deck back on its feet, and I want it to be just like every other CR-7!" he said, stamping his feet. The more important reason is that, even if I did get the deck to work perfectly, there would be a nagging question in the back of my mind: WHY did the transformer's 3.5v tap fail, and is it an indication of a deeper problem that could get worse as time goes on? This deck shows clear evidence of having been hit with a power surge or maybe even a lightning strike, and so I suspect the integrity of the transformer as a whole, as a direct result of this latest problem. If I'm being honest with myself, you could say that, if the deck had indeed been hit with a power surge, then the transformer itself was living on "borrowed time" all along. BUT IT IS STILL A MYSTERY WHY THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRANSFORMER IS THE ONLY PART THAT HAS DEVELOPED A FAULT. The other transformer outputs are strong and stable. NO smoke, NO burnt smell, NO flames....just a dead 3.5v supply. WEIRD! *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > Andy > > Couldn't U bastardise it using the transformer from ur CR3A parts deck, used > just to feed the 3.5 circuit, space permitting. Alternatively a pooer bodge > but one that would allow it to carry on 'whilst acquiring better' would be > to rig the feed up from an external transformer with adjustable output > settings [A Chinese cheapo]. You would just need a male socket to connect up > your input leads I guess. > > Shame after all ur quality investigation/fixing work !! > > REgards > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <> > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:37 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites > > > > > > I can't believe this happened. > > > > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly > > fine. > > > > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the > > meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > > > > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the tape > > counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > > > > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have no > > meters. > > > > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the > > meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This voltage > > comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > > > > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V AC > > LINES. > > > > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. Or, > > at least the 3.5v section is dead. > > > > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now > > little more than a parts deck!!!! > > > > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR THIS > > DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > > > > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > > 26/09/2007 20:20 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 28 17:18:59 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:18:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] teac mtt-150a query In-Reply-To: <118AD694-6D25-4AAA-82EE-0EEE3A576867@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: Most Teac tapes were not Dolby operating level. If this one is labeled "Dolby Operating Level" then there is something odd going on. If the Teac is just a record level cal tape, then that is the answer, since most Japanese decks are two or 3 dB below Dolby operating level. A neat trick is to look at the meter location of the DD "dolby symbol" . On naks it is a 0Vu. Most other decks have it a +3Vu. Nak decks always had a 3db advantage in S/N over 90% of the decks out there, the exceptions being Tandberg and B&O. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of adrian at thegreatbear.net Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:29 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] teac mtt-150a query hi i've just finished calibrating a 582 that had a grossly misaligned playback head (someone fiddling with the gears, i think).. I used luis's calibration tapes and my T100.. It seems to do everything right now - head height, azimuth, meter levels, playback levels, etc. pretty much as good as I can get given my limited experience and lack of gauges.. i've just got a NOS Teac mtt-150a dolby level test tape (400 Hz) and put it in the 582 - interesting - it shows +3dB not 0dB as I thought it should... The Nakamichi (luis' version) has a spot on 0dB level on the T100 and the 582's meters... I'm sure the Teac tape is meant to be 400Hz at 0dB and 200nWb/m just like the Nakamichi tape - what's going on? adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 28 17:21:23 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:21:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <092120071006.18961.46F397A10005E5C500004A1122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I posted some measurements of some available Sankyo idler tires about 2 months ago. Search the archive for that info. There are many sizes of substitute tires for sale. The ESL tire is advertized as "lasting 5 years" . Your friend might try one of those, or try Dean's tire. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that I have a BX-300. He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have to say. Here is what he told me: "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, then after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in rewind and fast forword. Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to switch from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor spindle." I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 28 17:22:57 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:22:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem In-Reply-To: <092120071006.18961.46F397A10005E5C500004A1122165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: If it is not a slipping tire, the felt clutch under the idler needs a very light sanding. DO NOT sand the idler nylon. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Problem I have been talking with a guy who contacted me because he heard that I have a BX-300. He also has a BX-300, but he has been having problems with it. I told him I would tell you all about it and see what you folks have to say. Here is what he told me: "I installed two different idlers tires on my BX-300. It worked fine, then after a couple of months (very light use), it would start to hesitate in rewind and fast forword. Then it would start to eat tape, which was really annoying. Now the motor spins with power, but the idler wheel doesn't seem to switch from side to side with enough force to have good contact with the motor spindle." I think it might be a dirty or weak reel motor. What do you all think? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech at bellsouth.net Fri Sep 28 18:03:40 2007 From: hitech at bellsouth.net (hitech at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND In-Reply-To: <092820071423.14085.46FD0E7F00064BA10000370522165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thought so. Yes the ground is floating. Check the two disc caps in my earlier post. Substitute 1 ohm 1/4 watt flameproof resistors for the open resistors. Don't worry about the voltage reading. Your meter is probably Average not RMS reading, which gives a higher AC level. When the circuit is loaded the AC will be lower. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:24 AM To: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND Dave: It looks like my initial panic about a defective transformer might have been an overreaction. First of all, I must apologize for my hasty (and incorrect) assumption that there were TWO 3.5v taps, connected to common ground. This was NOT true. The two blue wires coming from the transformer are ONE complete AC supply with its own floating ground. The GOOD news: This 3.5v tap is NOT dead. It DOES produce voltage. The PUZZLING news: Instead of the 3.5v AC specified in the service manual, I am measuring a steady 7.97v AC. I have discovered a fault on the power supply board - in fact, it's the only possible fault there could be, other than the transformer. HERE IS THE FAULT I DISCOVERED: The two wires of the 3.5v supply (which is actually measuring at 7.97v) come out of the transformer case and are each connected to their own 1-ohm 1/4-watt "R-FUSE" before proceeding to the jumper wire that eventually goes to the flourescent display. One of these "R-FUSES" has become open circuit. The voltage cannot reach the flourescent display. I don't really know what an "R-FUSE" is, actually. That is what it says on the Nakamichi parts list in the service manual. They just seem to be regular dull blue 1-ohm metal film resistors. But the schematic symbol shows a small rectangle with symbols for a fuse and a resistor inside the rectangle, connected in series. Is it possible that these are indeed metal film resistors BEING USED AS FUSES as well as being a voltage drop for the "3.5v" supply which is actually 7.97v? OR...could the excess 7.97v have been too much for the resistors, causing one of them to open up as it has done? *andy* -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: > ? Perhaps a 'specialist' could rewind it 4U or advise other options that > might be available. Typically a specialist Hifi shop that deals in valve > amps might have the expertise [or know where one is]. AS U say it seems > starnge that only that tap is now affected. Is there anything else on the > circuit board that impacts the transformer 3.5V output feed that U haven't > tested yet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:00 PM > Subject: Re: Last Rites ? > > > > > > Hi, Dave: > > > > Your suggestion to use a second transformer is a good one, but I really > > don't want to do it except as a last resort. > > > > There are two reasons for my reluctance, one trivial and one more weighty. > > > > The trivial reason is that, even if it worked perfectly, I would know that > > the deck isn't "right". > > > > "I worked hard to get this deck back on its feet, and I want it to be just > > like every other CR-7!" he said, stamping his feet. > > > > The more important reason is that, even if I did get the deck to work > > perfectly, there would be a nagging question in the back of my mind: WHY > > did the transformer's 3.5v tap fail, and is it an indication of a deeper > > problem that could get worse as time goes on? > > > > This deck shows clear evidence of having been hit with a power surge or > > maybe even a lightning strike, and so I suspect the integrity of the > > transformer as a whole, as a direct result of this latest problem. > > > > If I'm being honest with myself, you could say that, if the deck had > > indeed been hit with a power surge, then the transformer itself was living > > on "borrowed time" all along. > > > > BUT IT IS STILL A MYSTERY WHY THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRANSFORMER IS > > THE ONLY PART THAT HAS DEVELOPED A FAULT. The other transformer outputs > > are strong and stable. NO smoke, NO burnt smell, NO flames....just a dead > > 3.5v supply. WEIRD! > > > > > > *andy* > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: > >> Andy > >> > >> Couldn't U bastardise it using the transformer from ur CR3A parts deck, > >> used > >> just to feed the 3.5 circuit, space permitting. Alternatively a pooer > >> bodge > >> but one that would allow it to carry on 'whilst acquiring better' would > >> be > >> to rig the feed up from an external transformer with adjustable output > >> settings [A Chinese cheapo]. You would just need a male socket to connect > >> up > >> your input leads I guess. > >> > >> Shame after all ur quality investigation/fixing work !! > >> > >> REgards > >> Dave > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <> > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:37 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites > >> > >> > >> > > >> > I can't believe this happened. > >> > > >> > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly > >> > fine. > >> > > >> > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the > >> > meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > >> > > >> > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the > >> > tape > >> > counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > >> > > >> > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have > >> > no > >> > meters. > >> > > >> > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the > >> > meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This > >> > voltage > >> > comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > >> > > >> > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V > >> > AC > >> > LINES. > >> > > >> > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. > >> > Or, > >> > at least the 3.5v section is dead. > >> > > >> > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now > >> > little more than a parts deck!!!! > >> > > >> > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR > >> > THIS > >> > DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > >> > > >> > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > *andy* > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: > >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1032 - Release Date: > >> > 26/09/2007 20:20 > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > > 27/09/2007 17:00 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Sep 28 13:26:35 2007 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:26:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10 Years.... Message-ID: <00a801c801c2$6e823790$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Happy Birthday to Naktalk! Best wishes for continued good vibes and info sharing between us all. Regards, Bleus Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:00:48 +0100 From: "george valkov" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 years! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe let us know an alternative way to donate. Thanks again, George On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Bravo Wouter > > We are all very grateful for having this great site and forum for our > beloved decks! > > Manos- Athens/Gr > > > benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > > Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement. > > Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wouter Heijke > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm > > Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com > > is there for 10 years! > > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special > > longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first > > to subscribe! > > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense > > that is also still around. > > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions > > from your favourite artists. 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A large group of professionals built the Titanic." ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:44:27 -0700 From: Subject: [naktalk] 10 Years To: Message-ID: <000a01c7ff61$0b9911c0$6401a8c0 at robertbwpur6ye> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wouter, Ten years!!! Very Good!!! This forum is indeed a very valuable asset for all of us Nak lovers across the world......congratulations! Robert Kent, California Wouter Wrote: Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070925/66b066f4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:22:50 +0200 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 years! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46F8EF8A.7090805 at xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for this! i've changed the button, apparently paypal has changed something so it stopped working. Wouter george valkov wrote: > Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! > > I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on > the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep > getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe > let us know an alternative way to donate. > > Thanks again, > George > > On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Message: 1 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:55 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Fri Sep 28 20:35:14 2007 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:35:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) In-Reply-To: <200709261002.l8QA16JS004105@zxe.naks.com> References: <200709261002.l8QA16JS004105@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8C9D01571934404-D64-9CAB@webmail-da01.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ed I have some brand new early DT Series (500, 550, etc) motors - if you send me a photo of your defective motor, I'll see if I have one - you may be able to avoid the mod. My email is johngipps at aol.com. Regards John Gipps Message: 5 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:22:19 -0400 From: Edward Noyes Subject: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46F8EF6B.5040805 at snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How cool to find out I was one of the first naktalkers... I kind of feel like I've just received an honorary degree or something! Happy Birthday Wouter. As an ancient, I can say that while this forum has had its ups and downs, this community has proven its ability to thrive over the long run. Now, all this talk of 550s has me wanting to get my deck back together again. In a nutshell, the motor's shot. The bushings are too worn for a rebuild. I've got a couple of spares but the problem is that they are different. I must have a very early deck and am wondering if anyone has experience with retrofitting a later motor? Best, Ed Message: 12 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:56 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Need Help With My 550 (also Happy B-Day) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ed, There was a mod for a new motor. Post a photo of what you have and I will check my 600 scrapper. Tom Brucker? csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 20:43:34 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! Part Needed! Message-ID: <092820071843.10818.46FD4B55000ED63F00002A4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Everyone: In my never-ending quest to bring this CR-7A back to life, I need a part! Can you all check your parts decks for the following item? I will be glad to pay for it! I need two (2) fusible resistors. It might be listed as an "R-Fuse" or "RF" on the parts list in the service manual. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A REGULAR RESISTOR, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR RESISTOR. HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE: I need a 1/4-watt, 1-ohm fusible resistor. I need two of them, actually. The correct part is light blue, with the following color bands: brown, black, gold, gold. It will be mounted high up off of the circuit board, a little white insulator tube on each leg. The body of the resistor is approximately 2mm wide and 6mm long. I HAVE A CLOSE-UP PHOTO OF THIS PART IF YOU NEED TO SEE IT. Any help will be much appreciated. THANKS! *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Sep 28 21:42:46 2007 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:42:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Yes, Happy Birthday and congratulations! Message-ID: <20070928154246.LUI2G.29517.root@eastrmwml15.mgt.cox.net> I rarely have anything of importance to post but I do love reading the banter of ideas to solve a problem, the comraderie of those on the Nakgauges project and other teamed events. I am happy to be in the background and read, read, read!! Roland From savtech at xtra.co.nz Fri Sep 28 21:13:58 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:13:58 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND References: <589175.85420.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601c80203$b8c736c0$0301010a@SAVTECH> Hi Kannan, Andy and Dave, this has been the best entertainment around! Great work Andy, and thanks to Dave for pointing you in the right direction. Just had to mention, I have never heard of a semiconductor fuse, except for the common joke that lecturers always used to mention about "a transistor is the fastest fuse you can have" - so I have learnt something new - many thanks. Those sneaky Nakamichi people. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND They are infact fuses ( semiconductor) - and try using 100 - 200 ohm series resistor initially to act as current control. might let you know the actual current flowing / and you can adjust the voltage using this measured current to get it to 3.25 V( I remember it as 6 V check the service manual for voltage between these two lines!) if you want I had built one 220V primary transformer to substitute original CR 7A transformer - In India and it owrked for months without problem. If you are going to use this CR7 for your own use / not a bad idea to get one custom AC step down transformer ( external even to keep the noise absolutely out) I do not think that you will see any more trouble - good luck Kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From savtech at xtra.co.nz Fri Sep 28 22:03:58 2007 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:03:58 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? References: Message-ID: <006c01c8020a$b52b4720$0301010a@SAVTECH> Sorry Tom, in my last post I meant to give a heap of credit to you for helping Andy out. By-the-way, I can't quite figure that 5V winding. The diagram I have is a bit strange. It shows the winding having 5V labelled at each end which does infer there would be a centre tap normally, but there isn't. Is that a typo, or have I been away from all this too long and have become too pedantic! Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? > andy, > don't despair yet. R425 and 426 are fuse resitors. 1 ohm. verify they are > ok. Remove the CN 6 connector on power board and check resistance from pin > 4 > to pin 5. If it is 2 ohms, that is good. If it is infinite, check again > across the other sides of R425 and 426. If infinite, the transformer > secondary is open. > As to why it failed, check disc caps C419 and 420 for a short. There are > no > other connections or loads on the 3.5 volt filament lines except the > display > itself. Check for a pinched wire by measuring from the plug side of CN6 > pin > 4 to ground and 5 to ground. These should be infinite. Across 4 to 5 ought > to be a low value. > There is a method of using the 5 volt supply transformer taps to power > the filament which I will describe if needed. > If you do have an open transformer, email Jeff Galin at ESL for part # > OB50056 USA or OB50059 for asia/europe. > I have never seen lightning damage a filament circuit, for what that's > worth. > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Last Rites ? > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 29 00:47:53 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:47:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FD8499.7070305@rcn.com> The BX-300 is an excellent deck, but IME, the CR-5 sounds better. It has the same airy, clean sound of the CR-7. The difference to the BX-300 is not large, but it becomes apparent during careful auditioning. -- Ron Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > I was thinking of you working on this. The CR 5 has the BX300/MR1 > direct drive motor. How do you think this deck sounds compared to the > BX 300? > After set up this deck measured 1% THD at +3 Vu, which is a bit less > headroom than older Naks. Oddly all three tape types were -1dB on record > level calibrations, using newer tape formulations. Does anyone know what > the standard tapes were for the CR series? Did NAk continue to make > their own tapes, or had that practice ended? > > > Tom Brucker csm > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > 615-331-9241 > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > Hi Tom, > > I think the CR-5 sounds the same as the BX-300, as far as I can tell, > just by listening without extensive testing. The CR-4 too - which I > like more than the CR-5 as it has the adjustable level controls. They > seem to be more or less all the same to me in tone and W&F. The > features of the BX-300 are somewhat more useful to me, especially the > adjustable speed control, and the fact that you can do an A-B repeat > function using a remote control, which most NAK decks don't do. They > have A-B repeat, but not via remote. Off the top of my head, only the > BX-300 does this, but I might be wrong about that. The CR's don't. > > As far as I know, the CR series uses the Nak calibration tapes which > were recorded on the ZX-9, a second group of tapes and which were not > the ones used on the classic transport. I could go through the service > manuals and give you the numbers, but I'm swamped with work right now. > > Or are you just referring to the Nak type I, II, and IV tapes? > > take care > > Jeff From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 29 00:54:19 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:54:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites In-Reply-To: <092820070037.14687.46FC4CC60008F38B0000395F22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092820070037.14687.46FC4CC60008F38B0000395F22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46FD861B.4040909@rcn.com> Transformers can be re-wound. Not cheap, but certainly, justified for a CR-7. BTW, are you sure the fuses are no blown? -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I can't believe this happened. > > First of all, all of the repairs I performed on my CR-7A work perfectly fine. > > I was sitting there, enjoying the music. I happened to be watching the meters, when all of a sudden they went dark. > > In fact, EVERYTHING in the meter window went dark -- the meters, the tape counter, the tape EQ and Dolby indicators....everything. > > The rest of the deck works perfectly and sounds great. But now I have no meters. > > I opened the deck back up and checked the power supply going to the meters. The meters are supposed to be fed just over 3v AC. This voltage comes directly off of the transformer (blue wires). > > THERE IS NO VOLTAGE AT ALL COMING FROM THE TRANSFORMER ON THE BLUE 3.5V AC LINES. > > There is only one conclusion to draw: MY POWER TRANSFORMER IS DEAD. Or, at least the 3.5v section is dead. > > I can't believe after all of my time and effort that this CR-7A is now little more than a parts deck!!!! > > WHERE IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT TRANSFORMER FOR THIS DECK??!?!?!?!?!? > > I am SO pissed off right now!!!!!! > > > *andy* From tomas at tlec.se Sat Sep 29 01:17:29 2007 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas Larsson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:17:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Need Help, Java and similar In-Reply-To: <002301c7ff21$bc4a7b70$7100000a@corp.halex.com.au> References: <092420071623.27714.46F7E4650008ABF600006C4222165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net><01b401c7fef7$3113b1e0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <002301c7ff21$bc4a7b70$7100000a@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: Need some help. If there is someone that knows java-programing, please come forward. I need some help to sort the up and download problems I have on my site. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From sybarito at hotmail.com Sat Sep 29 06:51:05 2007 From: sybarito at hotmail.com (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:51:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A for sale Message-ID: Hi everybody!!!! I am selling my Nakamichi CR-7A which is is excellent condition, serviced 3 months ago with the Nak technician here in Caracas, Venezuela...It comes in original box, with remote control, both service and user´s manual I am travelling to the US on October the 11th and will be taking the Nak with me.... If any of you is interested, please contact me to my email sybarito at hotmail.com with questions, offers...I can send you pictures also.... On Sunday afternoon I will be putting it up for bid on ebay unless I agree something with any of you before that... 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <518b7b10709250300p6688a2edqe44741a40ccf6328 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe let us know an alternative way to donate. Thanks again, George On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Bravo Wouter > > We are all very grateful for having this great site and forum for our > beloved decks! > > Manos- Athens/Gr > > > benstratford at aol.com wrote: > > > Congratulations Wouter, a fantastic achievement. > > Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wouter Heijke > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7.55pm > > Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com > > is there for 10 years! > > This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special > > longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first > > to subscribe! > > Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense > > that is also still around. > > Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! > > > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. 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A large group of professionals built the Titanic." ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:44:27 -0700 From: Subject: [naktalk] 10 Years To: Message-ID: <000a01c7ff61$0b9911c0$6401a8c0 at robertbwpur6ye> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wouter, Ten years!!! Very Good!!! This forum is indeed a very valuable asset for all of us Nak lovers across the world......congratulations! Robert Kent, California Wouter Wrote: Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20070925/66b066f4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:22:50 +0200 From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10 years! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <46F8EF8A.7090805 at xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for this! i've changed the button, apparently paypal has changed something so it stopped working. Wouter george valkov wrote: > Fantastic job, Wouter, thanks very much for all your efforts ! > > I've been trying unsuccessfully to utilise the paypal donation link on > the Naks.com home page in order to make a birthday gift, but I keep > getting an error message. Can you please check if it's OK and maybe > let us know an alternative way to donate. > > Thanks again, > George > > On 9/25/07, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Message: 1 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:55 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 10 years! Hi Everyone, A little celebration today. The website that later became naks.com com is there for 10 years! This list (naktalk) started about 6 months later, with special longtime naktalk member Edward Noyes, he was actually one of the first to subscribe! Starting the site was greatly inspired by the nakfaq by sonic sense that is also still around. Thanks to everyone who supported naks.com in any way these years! Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 29 15:21:45 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:21:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] HELP - Part Needed (See Photo) Message-ID: <092920071321.23918.46FE5169000B517400005D6E22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Everyone: In my never-ending quest to bring this CR-7A back to life, I need a part! Can you all check your parts decks for the following item? I will be glad to pay for it! I need two (2) fusible resistors. It might be listed as an "R-Fuse" or "RF" on the parts list in the service manual. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A REGULAR RESISTOR, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE ONE. I need a 1/4-watt, 1-ohm fusible resistor. I need TWO of them, actually, but I'll take just one if that's all you have. The correct part is light blue, with the following color bands: brown, black, gold, gold. It will be mounted high up off of the circuit board, with a little white insulator tube on each leg. The body of the resistor is approximately 2mm wide and 6mm long. CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW TO SEE A PHOTO OF THE PART: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=255745040&albumID=0&imageID=736204 Any help will be much appreciated. THANKS! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Sep 29 15:53:00 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:53:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses Message-ID: <092920071353.24597.46FE58BC000D07760000601522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> wrote: > I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but leaded fuses are quite common in electronic equipment. They are often accompanied by a notice that no *user* replaceable parts are inside. The idea is to encourage owners to refer service to qualified technicians. Ron: I'm certainly not an electronics expert by any means - just an (over)enthusiastic amateur!! I figured that leaded fuses might be common - just never took the time to find someone who sells them. When I finished all of the power supply repairs on my CR-7A, it was quite late at night, and I really wanted to see if my repairs had been successful. So that's why I undertook to put little leads on the fuses that I had in hand. I just didn't want to wait around to find the "right" fuses! I was pretty certain that I could buy them when I made my original fuse post. Additionally, I have seen several pieces of electronic equipment with soldered-in fuses. I was just making a not-so-serious rant about how it can be a pain to change soldered-in fuses, that's all. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 29 19:07:01 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:07:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP! Part Needed! In-Reply-To: <092820071843.10818.46FD4B55000ED63F00002A4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092820071843.10818.46FD4B55000ED63F00002A4222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46FE8635.7010009@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, Everyone: > > In my never-ending quest to bring this CR-7A back to life, I need a part! > > Can you all check your parts decks for the following item? I will be glad to pay for it! > > I need two (2) fusible resistors. It might be listed as an "R-Fuse" or "RF" on the parts list in the service manual. > > THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS A REGULAR RESISTOR, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR RESISTOR. > > HERE IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE: > > I need a 1/4-watt, 1-ohm fusible resistor. I need two of them, actually. > > The correct part is light blue, with the following color bands: brown, black, gold, gold. > > It will be mounted high up off of the circuit board, a little white insulator tube on each leg. > > The body of the resistor is approximately 2mm wide and 6mm long. > > I HAVE A CLOSE-UP PHOTO OF THIS PART IF YOU NEED TO SEE IT. > > Any help will be much appreciated. THANKS! If you have the current rating for the part, it may be replaced by a 1 Ohm resistor in series with a fuse. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 29 19:30:17 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:30:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Circuit Board Fuses In-Reply-To: <092920071353.24597.46FE58BC000D07760000601522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <092920071353.24597.46FE58BC000D07760000601522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46FE8BA9.1090703@rcn.com> Oh, I meant no criticism. As a matter of fact, I have been known to (permanently) replace leaded fuses by soldering pigtails on standard fuses. Technically, no big deal, as long as the fuses are of correct ratings (current and delay) and the soldering is done cleanly and quickly. I see no need to replace them again later. -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > wrote: > >> I hate to argue with an electronics expert such as yourself, but leaded fuses are quite common in electronic equipment. They are often accompanied by a notice that no *user* replaceable parts are inside. The idea is to encourage owners to refer service to qualified technicians. > > Ron: > > I'm certainly not an electronics expert by any means - just an (over)enthusiastic amateur!! > > I figured that leaded fuses might be common - just never took the time to find someone who sells them. > > When I finished all of the power supply repairs on my CR-7A, it was quite late at night, and I really wanted to see if my repairs had been successful. > > So that's why I undertook to put little leads on the fuses that I had in hand. I just didn't want to wait around to find the "right" fuses! > > I was pretty certain that I could buy them when I made my original fuse post. Additionally, I have seen several pieces of electronic equipment with soldered-in fuses. > > I was just making a not-so-serious rant about how it can be a pain to change soldered-in fuses, that's all. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Sep 29 19:42:36 2007 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND In-Reply-To: <003601c80203$b8c736c0$0301010a@SAVTECH> Message-ID: <438154.56335.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Infact , I had to buy a typical semiconductor fuse for my MB2 - display power input passes through fuses which look like a diode ! Kannan savtech at xtra.co.nz wrote: Hi Kannan, Andy and Dave, this has been the best entertainment around! Great work Andy, and thanks to Dave for pointing you in the right direction. Just had to mention, I have never heard of a semiconductor fuse, except for the common joke that lecturers always used to mention about "a transistor is the fastest fuse you can have" - so I have learnt something new - many thanks. Those sneaky Nakamichi people. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A - Some Good News - AND A CULPRIT IS FOUND They are infact fuses ( semiconductor) - and try using 100 - 200 ohm series resistor initially to act as current control. might let you know the actual current flowing / and you can adjust the voltage using this measured current to get it to 3.25 V( I remember it as 6 V check the service manual for voltage between these two lines!) if you want I had built one 220V primary transformer to substitute original CR 7A transformer - In India and it owrked for months without problem. If you are going to use this CR7 for your own use / not a bad idea to get one custom AC step down transformer ( external even to keep the noise absolutely out) I do not think that you will see any more trouble - good luck Kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Sep 30 14:55:03 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:55:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Last Rites Message-ID: <093020071255.12222.46FF9CA70006054800002FBE22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron wrote: >Transformers can be re-wound. Not cheap, but certainly, >justified for a CR-7. BTW, are you sure the fuses are >no blown? Ron: Yes, the main fuses were the first things I checked. I have three fast-acting fuses for the main part of the deck, two rated at 2.5a, 250, and one rated at 1a, 250 volts. All three fuses are totally intact. I even checked continuity with my multimeter. In fact, it makes perfect sense that the three fuses for the rest of the deck should be intact as they are, since the 3.5v AC circuit that is currently not functioning is a dedicated circuit all by itself -- it is for the flourescent display only and serves no other purpose and is not part of any other circuit. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Sep 30 15:02:11 2007 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:02:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (Sorry) Message-ID: <093020071302.26194.46FF9E53000996490000665222120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I think I posted an incorrect link to the photo of the part that I need. Hopefully, this is the correct link. http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&fr iendID=255745040&id= Sorry for the confusion. *andy* From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Sep 30 16:50:39 2007 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:50:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! Message-ID: HI Everyone! I have order Vishay Orange Drop Polypropylene Capacitors for my Nakamichi 1000 zxl and they should be arriving any day now. During ordering the supplier did not have the 3000pf (0.003uf) C102 and C202 on Main PCB 2nd version and 620pf(0.00062 uf) capacitor there are four of these in the Record/EQ board numbered C103, 119,203 and 219. My question is that will it be OK to replace the 3000pf capacitor with a 3300pf one and the 620 pf with a 680pf one. All the caps that I have ordered will be of 100 volts rating. Any help in this regard will be much appreciated. Thanks! 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Andy - trying to access gives a Myspace error [referred to their Tech personnel !!] Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] CORRECT Photo Link (Sorry) > > I think I posted an incorrect link to the photo of the part that I need. > > Hopefully, this is the correct link. > > http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=736204&fr > iendID=255745040&id= > > > Sorry for the confusion. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: > 29/09/2007 21:46 > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 30 22:53:39 2007 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:53:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL ORANGE CAPS VALUE SUBSTITUTION HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47000CD3.7030201@rcn.com> These are equalization caps, chosen for their specific values. They should be the specified value +/- no more than 5% (probably the original part tolerance) and preferably, 2%. A 3300pF cap will be high by 10% and 680pF will be high by almost 9%. Note that 3000pF can be made from two 1500pF in parallel, but there is no convenient way of making 620pF from commonly available values (680pF in series with 0.01uF will result in 636pF -- still 2.6% too high). -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI Everyone! I have order Vishay Orange Drop Polypropylene Capacitors > for my Nakamichi 1000 zxl and they should be arriving any day now. > During ordering the supplier did not have the 3000pf (0.003uf) C102 and > C202 on Main PCB 2nd version and 620pf(0.00062 uf) capacitor there are > four of these in the Record/EQ board numbered C103, 119,203 and 219. > > My question is that will it be OK to replace the 3000pf capacitor with a > 3300pf one and the 620 pf with a 680pf one. All the caps that I have > ordered will be of 100 volts rating. Any help in this regard will > be much appreciated. Thanks! > > > Ali > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > and Make AOL Your Homepage > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========